MuKau
09-10-2004, 03:40 AM
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]It just keeps getting better.
I can't wait untill I leave this shithole country.
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A group of Maori are shooting for the stars as well as the foreshore and seabed – they intend claiming the air space used by commercial airlines and even satellites.[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]In a submission on the Foreshore and Seabed Bill, a Bay of Plenty group representing Te Wairua Ote Ora Trust claimed the bill was an act of treason against "hapu sovereign nations" and said the commercial use of the sea and air space was forbidden. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]The group provided their own maps of hapu coastal waters, which, during the hearing of evidence in Auckland yesterday, they said stretched out 400 nautical miles (740 kilometres). [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]The group apparently told MPs that their air space extended even further – to the outer limits of the universe. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]ACT MP Ken Shirley, a member of the committee, said the group's views were indicative of the unrealistic expectations of Maori in relation to the bill. "In answer to my questions, they also confirmed their claims of absolute sovereignty over all air space to the heavens above. It was specifically stated that, once the foreshore and seabed legislation is resolved, they would be approaching Air New Zealand and other airlines to negotiate compensation for all incursions into their air space." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]An approach to Nasa, the American space agency, was also indicated, Mr Shirley said. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]National MP Wayne Mapp said the group represented the "lunatic fringe". [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]"No New Zealanders, Maori or non-Maori, could take their claim seriously." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]The group were of the Tuhoe tribe but Tuhoe Waikaremoana Trust Board chairman Aubrey Te Mara said yesterday their views were not representative of the tribe. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]When told about what was said during evidence, his first reaction was: "Oh, by joves." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]Mr Te Mara said Tuhoe had been aware that the group was making a submission opposing the foreshore and seabed legislation and the trust board gave its approval on that basis. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]"But I suppose you can gauge from my reaction that the detail (of the submission) hasn't been discussed with the trust board." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]He said it was going "just a little bit far to be claiming air space". [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]A former Waitangi Tribunal director, Morrie Love, said air space had been dealt with by the tribunal but only in a generic sense and mostly in relation to the radio spectrum. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]It would be difficult to lodge a claim such as that suggested in yesterday's submission. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]"You need some particular action of the Crown which establishes (a Treaty breach). Just people flying over the air space doesn't establish any particular action of the Crown, I would have thought." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]There are more than 900,000 aircraft movements in New Zealand's domestic air space each year.
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I can't wait untill I leave this shithole country.
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A group of Maori are shooting for the stars as well as the foreshore and seabed – they intend claiming the air space used by commercial airlines and even satellites.[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]In a submission on the Foreshore and Seabed Bill, a Bay of Plenty group representing Te Wairua Ote Ora Trust claimed the bill was an act of treason against "hapu sovereign nations" and said the commercial use of the sea and air space was forbidden. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]The group provided their own maps of hapu coastal waters, which, during the hearing of evidence in Auckland yesterday, they said stretched out 400 nautical miles (740 kilometres). [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]The group apparently told MPs that their air space extended even further – to the outer limits of the universe. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]ACT MP Ken Shirley, a member of the committee, said the group's views were indicative of the unrealistic expectations of Maori in relation to the bill. "In answer to my questions, they also confirmed their claims of absolute sovereignty over all air space to the heavens above. It was specifically stated that, once the foreshore and seabed legislation is resolved, they would be approaching Air New Zealand and other airlines to negotiate compensation for all incursions into their air space." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]An approach to Nasa, the American space agency, was also indicated, Mr Shirley said. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]National MP Wayne Mapp said the group represented the "lunatic fringe". [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]"No New Zealanders, Maori or non-Maori, could take their claim seriously." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]The group were of the Tuhoe tribe but Tuhoe Waikaremoana Trust Board chairman Aubrey Te Mara said yesterday their views were not representative of the tribe. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]When told about what was said during evidence, his first reaction was: "Oh, by joves." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]Mr Te Mara said Tuhoe had been aware that the group was making a submission opposing the foreshore and seabed legislation and the trust board gave its approval on that basis. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]"But I suppose you can gauge from my reaction that the detail (of the submission) hasn't been discussed with the trust board." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]He said it was going "just a little bit far to be claiming air space". [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]A former Waitangi Tribunal director, Morrie Love, said air space had been dealt with by the tribunal but only in a generic sense and mostly in relation to the radio spectrum. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]It would be difficult to lodge a claim such as that suggested in yesterday's submission. [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]"You need some particular action of the Crown which establishes (a Treaty breach). Just people flying over the air space doesn't establish any particular action of the Crown, I would have thought." [/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]There are more than 900,000 aircraft movements in New Zealand's domestic air space each year.
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif][size=2][color=#000000]http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3028490a10,00.html
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