Haven't posted here before since I have little "positive" to say about Christianity. I am intrigued, however, by the fascinating suggestions by some of you that a religion that worships a kike is in fact anti-kike, and is generally racist to boot. The correct interpretation of Catholic/Christian religion is of course a matter to be decided among Catholics/Christians, so, with a modicum of experimental deception, I ran (my version of) your ideas past some true believers, and reprint the exchanges:

GLR
9/13/04 10:44 AM 1 out of 3

I have never heard our Church waver in its tireless message of social justice, racial equality and religious tolerance. I was surprised, therefore, when at an interfaith discussion group a good friend from the ADL informed me that many Catholics are active in a growing movement called “white nationalism.” From the website he referred me to, it seems that these folk want the US to be 100% “Aryan,” and they favor something they cryptically call the “vertical expulsion” of all Jews. While denying the Holocaust, they hasten to add that if it did happen, the Jews deserved what they got. And from that site, it does appear that some Catholics do hold these views. They even have a special forum dedicated to “positive Christianity,” which asserts that Vatican II was a sinister Jewish plot, which they hope the next Pope will reverse, at which point the masses of Catholics will join them in establishing some sort of Fourth Reich.

Is it possible simultaneously to be a Catholic (or Christian), and a racist, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier or white separatist?

Thanks,

Linc



timrford
9/13/04 6:24 PM 2 out of 3

Nonsense,

first of all supremacist groups hate blacks, jews, and catholics.

Second, more importantly no one can truly be Catholic and be a racist, because the two beliefs are totally incompatible.

tim


batteddy
9/13/04 10:58 PM 3 out of 3

Yeah, a PRE-Vatican II Pope, the much unfairly maligned Pius XII definitely condemned racism, not even so much because it hurts the other persons, but as an idolotrous sin against God: Something like a "superstitious blood-cult" he called Nazism. Racism is bad as a sin against one's neighbor...but worse as a sin against God, creating a false self-race-worshipping pseudo-religion...

http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?boardID=5601&discussionID=380753

Here an online submission to ask a Priest:

Faith_Question:

Father,

I have never heard our Church waver in its tireless message of social
justice, racial equality and religious tolerance. I was surprised, therefore, when at an interfaith discussion group a good friend from the ADL informed me that many Catholics are active in a growing movement called “white nationalism.” From the website he referred me to, it seems that these folk want the US to be 100% “Aryan,” and they favor something they cryptically call the “vertical expulsion” of all Jews. While denying the Holocaust, they hasten to add that if it did happen, the Jews deserved what they got. And from that site, it does appear that some Catholics do hold these views. They even have a special forum dedicated to “positive Christianity,” which asserts that Vatican II was a sinister Jewish plot, which they hope the next Pope will reverse, at which point the masses of Catholics will join them in establishing some sort of Fourth Reich.

Is it possible simultaneously to be a Catholic (or Christian), and a racist, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier or white separatist?

Thanks,

Linc

Re: Response to your faith question asked at Churchbulletin

It is impossible to be a holy and good catholic and to be a racist at the same time. Those who profess these lies are in denial and in sin of the worst kind. No church teaching encourages racisim or anti-Semitism of any kind. God bless you and keep far away from such sinners as these people. FJK

[QUOTE=The Final Solution]Here an online submission to ask a Priest:[/QUOTE]


LOL well I guess that settles it. I'll throw in the towel now.

Egad, what do you expect? The message here should be that the Christian leadership is working for the Synagogue of Satan. They are the wolves leading the sheep.
Racism, what a joke! Preachers are preaching the sin of racism so that we will keep quiet about the masses of non whites that they are flooding into our white homelands.
How much can they whack whitey’s nose to make him mate and mix with non whites? Let see, “whack, whack” on the white South by the feds during the Civil War (edit after thought:this may no be a good example of the whack whack but it seemed to go with the flow), “whack, whack” on the white South by the government during the Civil rights movement, “whack, whack” on the white America by the schools for the last 50 years, and now “whack, whack” on the white America by the church with their “racism is a sin” agenda. Church is now a whacking tool like the rest of our institutions along with helping the invaders invade. Replacing whites with non whites is the real agenda and all things serve that purpose.

GLR

Post subject: Catholic Racists?

I have never heard our Church waver in its tireless message of social justice, racial equality and religious tolerance. I was surprised, therefore, when at an interfaith discussion group a good friend from the ADL informed me that many Catholics are active in a growing movement called “white nationalism.” From the website he referred me to, it seems that these folk want the US to be 100% “Aryan,” and they favor something they cryptically call the “vertical expulsion” of all Jews. While denying the Holocaust, they hasten to add that if it did happen, the Jews deserved what they got. And from that site, it does appear that some Catholics do hold these views. They even have a special forum dedicated to “positive Christianity,” which asserts that Vatican II was a sinister Jewish plot, which they hope the next Pope will reverse, at which point the masses of Catholics will join them in establishing some sort of Fourth Reich.

Is it possible simultaneously to be a Catholic (or Christian), and a racist, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier or white separatist?

Thanks,

Linc

antonin

The Church has been quite clear, especially since Vatican II, on issues like relgious freedom, and toleration.

It is incumbent on us to do everything we can to ensure that hate filled schismatic groups like this do not get a platform to corrupt the minds of young people and others. All we can do is denounce these groups and pray that their hearts are illuminated by grace of the Holy Spirit.
Please share the following official Vatican documents with your friend and reflect on them yourself:

First the relevant document from the Council.

DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS NOSTRA AETATE

These are good too:

WE REMEMBER: A REFLECTION ON THE SHOAH

NOTES on the correct way to present the Jews and Judaism in preaching and catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church

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2. Education and catechesis should concern themselves with the problem of racism, still active in different forms of anti-Semitism. The Council presented in thus: "Moreover, (the Church) mindful of her common patrimony with the Jews and motivated by the Gospel's spiritual love and by no political considerations, deplores the hatred, persecutions and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time and from any source" (Nostra Aetate, 4). The Guidelines Comment: "the spiritual bonds and historical links binding the Church to Judaism condemn (as opposed to the very spirit of Christianity) all forms of anti-Semitism and discrimination, which in any case the dignity of the human person alone would suffice to condemn" (Guidelines, Preamble).

Joint Jewish-Catholic Statement: Reflections on the Millennium
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George D.

"Grace is everywhere." Georges Bernanos: The Diary of a Country Priest.

antonin

From We Remember:

Quote:
Pope John Paul II himself has repeatedly called upon us to see where we stand with regard to our relations with the Jewish people. In doing so, "we must remember how much the balance [of these relations] over two thousand years has been negative".2 This long period "which", in the words of Pope John Paul II, awe must not tire of reflecting upon in order to draw from it the appropriate lessonsÓ3 has been marked by many manifestations of anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism, and, in this century, by the horrifying events of the Shoah.

Therefore, the Catholic Church wants all Catholics, and indeed all people, everywhere, to know about this. It does so also with the hope that it will help Catholics and Jews towards the realization of those universal goals that are found in their common roots. In fact, whenever there has been guilt on the part of Christians, this burden should be a call to repentance. As His Holiness has put it on one occasion, "guilt must always be the point of departure for conversion".

We are confident that all the Catholic faithful in every part of the world will be helped by this document to discover in their relationship with the Jewish people "the boldness of brotherhood
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George D.

"Grace is everywhere." Georges Bernanos: The Diary of a Country Priest.

Jim Lynch

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Is it possible simultaneously to be a Catholic (or Christian), and a racist, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier or white separatist?

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God bless

Jim

Théodred

GLR wrote:
I was surprised, therefore, when at an interfaith discussion group a good friend from the ADL informed me that many Catholics are active in a growing movement called “white nationalism.”


Linc, is there any evidence aside from this person's claim that there are "many Catholics" active in this racist organization?
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Holy God; Holy Mighty One; Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.


GLR

Théodred wrote:
Linc, is there any evidence aside from this person's claim that there are "many Catholics" active in this racist organization?


Just my visit to this website which includes a number of posters who say they are Catholic. I'm new to this forum and hesitate to post the URL without permission. But it sounds like there's a consensus here that while these people may have been baptized Catholics they are not true Catholics or even true Christians. Am I correct?

khull

GLR wrote:
But it sounds like there's a consensus here that while these people may have been baptized Catholics they are not true Catholics or even true Christians. Am I correct?


I think that is a safe bet, especially since a lot of white supremacist/neo-nazi organizations are anti-Catholic as well as anti-semitic. Most are anti anything that isn't white, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant.
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"He is Your best servant who desires not so much to hear from You what may be comfortable to his own will, but rather to conform his will to whatever he shall hear from You."--St. Augustine of Hippo

Théodred
There are racist people who are baptized Catholics, and are even “practicing” Catholics. I’ve met more than one! However, Catholicism is doctrinally opposed to racism as George has already pointed out.

This is akin to those “practicing” Catholics who are pro-abortion. The Catholic Church can’t force people, even Catholics, to think or do anything. The Church instructs and provides examples, and imposes her own internal discipline, but ultimately each person is responsible for his own moral rectitude.
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I love Macrina

Holy God; Holy Mighty One; Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
http://forum.catholic.org/viewtopic.php?t=22177

[QUOTE=The Final Solution]http://forum.catholic.org/viewtopic.php?t=22177[/QUOTE]

Boy, if that isn't the Mother of all red flags. Whenever someone says "motivated...by no political considerations" you'd better believe that it's nothing but!


(the Church) mindful of her common patrimony with the Jews and motivated by the Gospel's spiritual love and by no political considerations, deplores the hatred, persecutions and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time and from any source" (Nostra Aetate, 4). The Guidelines Comment: "the spiritual bonds and historical links binding th

FS, I have to say your avatar was clever and amusing. You showed the ignorance of your correspondents and I couldnt help but smile.

The Church is a big tent and you found a few comments from a few American boobs to validate your position. Golf clap. Plenty more boobs where they came from.

Anyhow, your use of the Jewish perjorative "racist" predetermined the result. Why didnt you ask, can a good Catholic have a positive, natural, ethnic and national identity? I think perhaps you would have gotten a different response.

Who knows perhaps they were "racists" in the closet and they thought you were a jew troll fishing for "thoughtcrime." Is that a possibility? I have seen numerous people I knew to be very pro-White lie through their teeth about this. Indeed, more than once I've framed a discussion in my terms rather than the Jew's terms. Is that deception or is it defense? Is it correcting Jewish lies by reframing the social assumptions that make the context for casual speech? Is that wrong in your view? Or when the Jew dangles the bait should we always just bite?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Anyhow, your use of the Jewish perjorative "racist" predetermined the result. Why didnt you ask, can a good Catholic have a positive, natural, ethnic and national identity? I think perhaps you would have gotten a different response.[/QUOTE]

Actually I didn't intend Racist as a perjorative. My description of WN was actually just a summary of my own Racial views (which I thought were consistent with the bulk of VNN) with the exception of the ambiguous "vertical expulsion," which to date hasn't been explained to me in detail and I suppose shouldn't be on a public forum. Your "identity" notion might well be acceptable to a kahnservative Catholic like that Michael Jones guy who saw it as a curative to the "extremism" of Linder (and most the rest of us). You can reframe all you want, but to me the litmus test will always be kike-worship or kike eradication.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]...........Watching the christians try and make 3443425345345 justifications for it's disgusting exsistance amuses me. lol[/QUOTE]

Disgusting existence that unified Europe and prevented it from being over-run by the Moors. Ever heard of Charles Martel? Right, his son Charlemagne was a bad guy who cut the head off the Saxon chiefs to consolidate control over Germany. As if a hundred little tribes would have stood up to the Muslim onslaught. LOL Hell the decadent irreligious Europeans of today sure in hell arent doing any better at keeping the Muslims out than Charles Martel did, are they? That was 700 years of fighting not just by the Catholic Franks but the Catholic Visigoths to retake Iberia. And when it was done Queen Isabella "La Reina Catholica" threw out the Jews, 1592. And Edward the Confessor threw out the kikes from England 1274. LOL I could carry on about facts forever, but if you want to ignore 1800 years of European Christianity go right ahead.

Without that disgusting existence you wouldnt be "whoreshipping Oden" you'd be "whoreshipping Allah." Salaam aliakum.

[QUOTE=Vlad]An actual christian is going to value his going to heaven more than his genes, more than anything. If his going to heaven requires praising Jesus, he'll do it. If it requires five dollars on the plate every Sunday, he'll do it. If he learns some of that five dollars finds its way to Israel to help jew families targeted by radical muslims, well then that's the christian thing to do, how about ten dollars this week then.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm. Where do we find these actual christians. they sound very tractable. what if we tell them Jews murdered God Incarnate and they are wicked and damned and that they need to keep away from Jews or burn in hell. If they are as tractable as you say then surely they will turn on a dime and help us clean out the stables eh? I am heartened by your comment, LOL

[QUOTE=The Final Solution]Actually I didn't intend Racist as a perjorative. My description of WN was actually just a summary of my own Racial views (which I thought were consistent with the bulk of VNN) with the exception of the ambiguous "vertical expulsion," which to date hasn't been explained to me in detail and I suppose shouldn't be on a public forum. Your "identity" notion might well be acceptable to a kahnservative Catholic like that Michael Jones guy who saw it as a curative to the "extremism" of Linder (and most the rest of us). You can reframe all you want, but to me the litmus test will always be kike-worship or kike eradication.[/QUOTE]

Well Mike Jones is not a "kahnservative" if that means being well disposed towards jews. I will say he does not call himself a "racist" but he is very pro "ethnic" and when it comes to jews he has made his position clear and it is not very favorable. He has written numerous articles in the past year in his magazine about them one about Lazar Kaganovich and Jewish involvement in communism, and another about Shabbetai Zevy and the "revolutionary jew" as a political type, and another about Philip Roth and various Jewish perversities in literature. But why should you be concerned about that right? you have your litmus test to guide you. Why discuss anything else? Why engage in conversation or persuation if that one litmus test will magically convince and guide us and solve all our problems?

You know sitting around wishing for vertical expulsion doesnt do a darn thing to make it happen does it? Neither do a few outbursts, whehter it's alan berg who catches the bullet or some pathetic haredi "settler" or some pathetic smelly Polish Ostjuden packed off to a labor camp. Seems to me that jews feed off of obsessive hate. They're like that episode of star trek, where the big mean cloud thing got stronger with every shot that went into it. then they figgered that the thing somehow absorbed the kinetic energy of the phasers and all that jazz and they had to starve it somehow. reminds me of the jews who have come back from every pogrom and expulsion stronger than the last. Maybe that fictional creation of jew rodenberry's mind offers a possible strategic insight here.

[QUOTE=Vlad]Also, I like how we're sooo much better off having been hijacked by the xtian Semite religion rather than hijacked by the islam Semite religion. Boy what a deal. I'll even throw in my two cents and say that if not for the inquisitions, we would all have been hijacked by the judaic Semite religion. Trouble is, all three have brought us destruction thanks to the fanatical followers who are completely out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, an interesting point. You know, many Germans prior to the rise of Carolus were in fact Arian Christians, Arianism being a heresy which is very similar to Islam in that it denies the Godhood of Jesus but regarded him highly nonetheless.

The reason the Catholic version won out, some would simply attribute to superior social organization and consequent military force of the Catholics.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Why is it that when a christian talks about the moors and the Hammer. They always leave out the Hun invasions in which the united heathen Aryan army drove them off? I guess that would not fit into there sad justifactions. What about the fact the muslims got half way though Europe later on because the christian religious wars and divide they caused in white Europe. As for the Spainish that would have been done christling or not. And where did the jews they gave the boot run too. Alot ran to there main refuge the pope.lol
Gee nothing changes.

As for Charles the Saxon slayer. I do find him a great man a brave warrior and also as important a cunning warlord from a Aryan line of Germanic warriors. The Saxon, Frank thing seems to be more of a old fued then anything, with religion tacted on. I just wish Charles had used something more Aryan then a jew on a stick. Yuck.

Ironic the Hammer was more of a living THOR then a jesus. lol

.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


The hammer was a Thor-type for sure, agreed. Also I think your assessment of the Saxons vs Franks is fair as well.

One could also talk about the occasional assistance given to the Eastern Roman Empire by European Christians resisting centuries of pressure by the Turks. The word they used was "Christendom" and the borders up until 1492 were the same borders today we call Europe, essentially. Here's another anti-alien "Christian" hero, who helped save Vienna from the Turks: Jan Sobieski.

About the Huns, they were repulsed but only so far. After all Magyar is not an Aryan tongue. Plus we dont have a name to attach to that incident, do we? Speaking of which perhaps you might like to share names of a few more notable heathen warlords like Arminius and Vercengetorix? They are the only ones who jump to my mind at the moment. Are there other names we might add to that list? Boudiceea maybe. Others? Northern names, not Greek or Roman...?

By the way, I accidentally opened up your post Dr A somehow trying to reply, but I think it's the same as it was. getting used to the new format.

sometimes I think of all religion and any particular religion as a particular kind of social technology, that once out of the bottle cant be put back in. If it needs to be changed, that is fine, then synthesis should be the goal not the luddite approach.

So have any of you guys looked at the book "Aryan Christ?" about Jung?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Well Mike Jones is not a "kahnservative" if that means being well disposed towards jews. I will say he does not call himself a "racist" but he is very pro "ethnic" and when it comes to jews he has made his position clear and it is not very favorable.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. All I knew was Linder's post. My point, nonetheless, was that "ethnic identity" does not WN make. Getting wasted on St. Patrick's Day or at Oktoberfest (together with opportunistic kike and nigger pols) is no doubt fine with the Catholic Church, perhaps even equal to some maniacal Cinco de Mayo festivities. I never said otherwise. What I did say, and what has been amply confirmed by massive official and anecdotal evidence, is that the VNN mantra of NJJR in particular, and, yes, Racism generally, is inconsistent with and vigorously opposed by Catholic/Christian beliefs.

You know sitting around wishing for vertical expulsion doesnt do a darn thing to make it happen does it?

Duh. I believe I've been quite clear as to what is politically feasible in the current environment. What some of us see, but others deny, is that Catholic/Christian beliefs are a major determinant of that environment.

Seems to me that jews feed off of obsessive hate. They're like that episode of star trek, where the big mean cloud thing got stronger with every shot that went into it. then they figgered that the thing somehow absorbed the kinetic energy of the phasers and all that jazz and they had to starve it somehow. reminds me of the jews who have come back from every pogrom and expulsion stronger than the last. Maybe that fictional creation of jew rodenberry's mind offers a possible strategic insight here.

LOL. Love them to death? I think that's been tried before.

[QUOTE=Vlad]It seems like the catholic church has craftily managed to transcend national boundaries to become a megacorporation, long before there was any such thing. For a time, the pope even had the power to send nations to war with each other over matters of heresy. The Vatican is under rule of the church, not Italy isn't it?

This bears a striking resemblance to international jewry and the autonomy of Israel and outsider jews bringing conflict between nations.......[/QUOTE]

para 1, quite right.

para 2, quite right again. except my view is not of the Roman Church as Jew golem but coordinator of European nations. It was so for centuries. Coordination of the Crusades for example, helped beat back Islamic encroachment and also got the warlike nobility out of Europe trampling the peasants and cutting each others throats, on to the middle east where they could trample the Arab and Jewish peasants and cut the Arab's throats.

Today there is no question that the "coordinating" function of the Roman Church has been seriously compromised. I will agree that on the net, it appears to be running against long term Aryan interests. I believe that is reversible.

[QUOTE=The Final Solution].......What I did say, and what has been amply confirmed by massive official and anecdotal evidence, is that the VNN mantra of NJJR in particular, and, yes, Racism generally, is inconsistent with and vigorously opposed by Catholic/Christian beliefs.

Duh. I believe I've been quite clear as to what is politically feasible in the current environment. What some of us see, but others deny, is that Catholic/Christian beliefs are a major determinant of that environment.

LOL. Love them to death? I think that's been tried before.[/QUOTE]

I dont think that authentic traditional Christian belief is Jewfriendly whatsoever. This is why:

My reading of European history is that the Church always called for conversion of Jews which to Jews of course means extermination/extinction. I care not what Jews consider it, but to me the end of Jewry is a desirable outcome and one that is explicitly the policy of Christianity.

I didnt care much about this for a long time, as I thought, what fool would want more marranos in the Church. Not me. But then I read about what Jews think of "conversion." They think it threatens their existence not just by virtue of events like the English Expulsion or the Spanish Expulsion, but by virtue of cutlural assimilation and intermarriage. Such as discussed at length by Dershovitz in "Vanishing Jew."

Moreover, the Church did things to exclude the Jews from society like Innocent the III who at the Lateran Council of 1214 introduced "the badge," which is an article of distinct clothing to show that a person was a jew. PLus antiusury laws, anathema against intermarriage with Jews, and other segregating social measures. So the Church, where it could not erase or "convert" the Jews, helped segregate them, and where it could not segregate them, helped ameliorate the social damages that they caused.

Whereas the nobility especially the kings, always wanted to drag the jews back in for new "Jew residency taxes" and moneylending resources and the like. So when one would finally kick them out, other kings would welcome them with open arms. One might even view the US response to German Jews in that light: maybe we refused admittance to the latecoming ships full of poor ones, but the Einsteins wer admitted with open arms. That was not the doing of the Church or Christianity, that was the doing of Roosevelt and a corrupt political class that saw opprotunities in the whole mess.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Disgusting existence that unified Europe and prevented it from being over-run by the Moors. Ever heard of Charles Martel? Right, his son Charlemagne was a bad guy who cut the head off the Saxon chiefs to consolidate control over Germany. As if a hundred little tribes would have stood up to the Muslim onslaught. LOL Hell the decadent irreligious Europeans of today sure in hell arent doing any better at keeping the Muslims out than Charles Martel did, are they? That was 700 years of fighting not just by the Catholic Franks but the Catholic Visigoths to retake Iberia. And when it was done Queen Isabella "La Reina Catholica" threw out the Jews, 1592. And Edward the Confessor threw out the kikes from England 1274. LOL I could carry on about facts forever, but if you want to ignore 1800 years of European Christianity go right ahead.

Without that disgusting existence you wouldnt be "whoreshipping Oden" you'd be "whoreshipping Allah." Salaam aliakum.[/QUOTE]

Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand threw out the jews in 1492. Just after they threw out the last of the Moors. See the Alhambra Decree:

http://www.martinlindstedt.org/alhambra.html

Regrettably, they let some of those Sephardic jews 'convert' to Catholicism. The masses were not fooled, calling them jew conversos 'Marranos', i.e. 'swine.'

Edward the Confessor was the king just before Harold Godwine the Saxon, who was defeated by William the Conquerer at Hastings in 1066. The Edward who kicked out the jews from England and made England 'merrie' was Edward I, or Longshanks in 1295. Probably the only reason Mel Gibson got to make 'Braveheart' is because it made Eddy the First as a monster. (He conquered Wales and tried to conquer Scotland.)

Christianity used to be the religion of the West. Today Christianity has been jewdized and the religion of whiggerdumb is Solipsistic Hypocrisy.

The core of the Resistance is Christian Identity. That is the way it has been, and judging from history, that is the way it shall remain. Worship of self is a whigger trait, and so as each of them worship theysselfs, there simply is no point in keeping up with what whiggers come and go in playing 'racial paytriot.' The Wodenists don't even believe their made-up shit, nor do the Cosmethologists or Creator kiddies. They simply call their made-up bullshit a religion and go through their motions.

The a-theists and agnostics worship their variety of solipsism. They are free to worship theysselfs in their own preferred mode, but are not to be taken seriously except by theysselfs.

--Martin Lindstedt
www.martinlindstedt.org

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I dont think that authentic traditional Christian belief is Jewfriendly whatsoever. This is why:

My reading of European history is that the Church always called for conversion of Jews which to Jews of course means extermination/extinction. I care not what Jews consider it, but to me the end of Jewry is a desirable outcome and one that is explicitly the policy of Christianity. [/QUOTE]

Disagree. With occasional exceptions, the special protected status of the kike is a (or the) historically defining feature of Christianity.

He [St. Augustine] decided that God had allowed the Jews to survive all the disasters in their history to act as a sign and a warning to Christians. Therefore they ought to be allowed to continue their community life, although without the full privileges of citizenship that Christians enjoyed: God only intended them to be converted en masse when he chose to bring the world to an end.

Accordingly, the Christian Church allowed Jewish communities to survive, while over the centuries it destroyed all other religious competitors.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=6781

Moreover, the Church did things to exclude the Jews from society like Innocent the III who at the Lateran Council of 1214 introduced "the badge," which is an article of distinct clothing to show that a person was a jew. PLus antiusury laws, anathema against intermarriage with Jews, and other segregating social measures. So the Church, where it could not erase or "convert" the Jews, helped segregate them, and where it could not segregate them, helped ameliorate the social damages that they caused.

First, I still fail to see how the Catholic/Christian position on usury has been harmful to kikes or helpful to Whites in general. If Christians seek funds, making it illegal for Christians to lend (or, at times, to take collateral) but legal (or practical) for kikes to simply confers a lucrative monopoly on the kike, the eventual bankroll for itz global subversion. All the other segregation measures dscribed give the kike exactly the status it has always desired--separate, protected, superior. Just as promised in their OT, the root of Catholic/Christian faith. Plus they set in motion Britton's persecution myth, allowing the kike to exploit the guilt-ridden Christain conscience.

Whereas the nobility especially the kings, always wanted to drag the jews back in for new "Jew residency taxes" and moneylending resources and the like. So when one would finally kick them out, other kings would welcome them with open arms. One might even view the US response to German Jews in that light: maybe we refused admittance to the latecoming ships full of poor ones, but the Einsteins wer admitted with open arms. That was not the doing of the Church or Christianity, that was the doing of Roosevelt and a corrupt political class that saw opprotunities in the whole mess.

But for the unnatural Catholic/Christian position on usury (and economics generally), what resources would kikery have?

[QUOTE=The Final Solution].........

First, I still fail to see how the Catholic/Christian position on usury has been harmful to kikes or helpful to Whites in general. If Christians seek funds, making it illegal for Christians to lend (or, at times, to take collateral) but legal (or practical) for kikes to simply confers a lucrative monopoly on the kike, the eventual bankroll for itz global subversion. All the other segregation measures dscribed give the kike exactly the status it has always desired--separate, protected, superior. ........
But for the unnatural Catholic/Christian position on usury (and economics generally), what resources would kikery have?[/QUOTE]

Excellent point, actually I tend to agree with you on that point. LOL It was a natural monopoly for them until the Italian houses flaunted the ban, and then the Scotsmen invented modern fractional reserve banking.

I believe in a modified position on usury. Simply, what we had in America for many long decades, which is that there is a ceiling on certain interest rates. I am aware that this will prohibit "poor credit risks" from "accessing credit" ie, borrowing too much for their own good, and that is a sort of nanny measure. But I am OK with a few nanny measures for the good of the folk. You see now that these ceilings keep getting lifted because everybody believes, rightly or wrongly, that profligate consumer spending on shiny junk is the driver of "the economy."

there is a Greek saying, "pan metron ariston" or something like that, means in all things moderation.

But I digress.

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I have never heard our Church waver in its tireless message of social justice, racial equality and religious tolerance. I was surprised, therefore, when at an interfaith discussion group a good friend from the ADL informed me that many Catholics are active in a growing movement called "white nationalism." From the website he referred me to, it seems that these folk want the US to be 100% "Aryan," and they favor something they cryptically call the "vertical expulsion" of all Jews. While denying the Holocaust, they hasten to add that if it did happen, the Jews deserved what they got. And from that site, it does appear that some Catholics do hold these views. They even have a special forum dedicated to "positive Christianity," which asserts that Vatican II was a sinister Jewish plot, which they hope the next Pope will reverse, at which point the masses of Catholics will join them in establishing some sort of Fourth Reich.

Is it possible simultaneously to be a Catholic (or Christian), and a racist, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier or white separatist?

Thanks,

Linc

Fr. Vincent Serpa
Catholic Answers Apologist
Location: San Diego, CA

Dear Linc,

There have been many Catholics who have been racist without facing the contradiction between such a stance and their religion. But there is no way that a Catholic can knowingly reject Jews and adore one at the same time!

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=15434

Well soandso is an internet nobody as far as I am concerned, I could give a fig what he thinks. If I had a quarter for every ignorant priest I'd be a millionaire.

I dont regard Christ as a Jew. I understand that Catholics regard Christ as Incarnate God. If God is the metaphysical source of all exisence than presumably Jews are an odd and from our perspective loathsome aspect of reality but He could manifest in their particular tribal circumstances if he liked for some inscrutable Divine purpose. My imagination can stretch far enough to accomodate the Christ idea and also continue to dislike Jews. If Father Sherpa is too simpleminded to get that tough shit for him.

Maybe somebody should say to soandso, OK, Christ was the only good Jew in history then. LOL He must have been God to have been good and still a Jew because as we know Jews are not good so that is a mystery right along with the rest of them. Really it deepens the sense of Christ as Redeemer to plop him down in the middle of the wickedest group of humanoids on the planet, doesnt it?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes] My imagination can stretch far enough to accomodate the Christ idea and also continue to dislike Jews. If Father Sherpa is too simpleminded to get that tough shit for him.[/QUOTE]

And my imagination allowed me to kill some time watching that Bond flick without being compelled to go out and commit beastiality with a nigeress. Also, for very base reasons, I regularly read some publications that contain political commentary that is mostly pro: war/zionism, immigration, globalization and in one case stridently pro-fag, and they hold no sway over me.

The question I would have thought was central to "positive Christianity" or positive anything on this forum is: do we evaluate any of the above institutions/influences by their effect on you and me? Or by their effect on our people as a group, many of whom, to both of us, seem simple-minded (on their best day)?

ya got me there dude. LOL.

Christianity has lots of negatives in that regard, some positives, and you have made a good argument it is a net negative.

Even if that is so however, it is too big of a ship to ignore and leave to the jews. And if you try to "sink" it, metaphorically, you will take millions of Whites down with the ship.

I think a good idea is to make it like the Achille Lauro as much as possible and treat the Jews and Jew accomodationists like Leon Klinghoffer.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Sink the ship of christinsanity and all the anti nature looney stuff that comes with it. Sorry jewsus but whites do not need a jew to tell them what to do. Any white who bows to a jewsus and believe's that has problems at some level. No christianity in racism.[/QUOTE]

lol as if you are the one to decide.

Your response is what I had expected to the tee and this thread had the same old predictable out come. Oh hum and yawn. You alienate people from our cause instead of drawing them closer.