I posted something on the Resistance webboard that was at first moved to the anti forum and then later deleted. All that I offered was some criticism of the NA. I guess my arguments were too strong to debate for them, so they had to delete them. Here was my post.

Why I haven't joined the NA

According to the SPLC, the membership of the National Alliance was 2000 members. After the schism, the membership supposedly dwindled to 800.
The National Alliance themselves keep secret their actual membership. Why would a group keep secret their actual membership numbers? The cynic in me says that their actual membership must be close to what the SPLC claim. That is to say pretty pathetic.

For 30 years the NA have used the ideas of Dr. Pierce and certain methods to attract members. 2000 members was the best that they could do?
There are probably more Jehova's Witnesses canvassing on any given Sunday in America than that. Do you mean to tell me that we cannot attract more than 2000 people to our cause? It seems to me that we should have orgs with membership in the tens of thousands.

For the last 30 years, we have had people like Dr. Pierce in leadership positions of the white nationalist movement. What exactly has happened to America during this time? Our country has gone straight down the toilet. And what exactly does the NA wish to actually do about our problems? Do they support working within the political system, or outside of it in a revolutionary manner?

It seems to me that what the NA has been doing over the last 30 years in terms of ideas and tactics has been ineffectual. What makes anyone think that continuing to do the same things will work that haven't worked before? If you can convince me, I will change my mind about joining up with the NA.

End of post. I didn't copy it, so it is approximate.

The second post, after they moved this one to anti-forum questioned why it was moved there. Scipio Anus, one of the gestupo there then said that it contained "SPLC crap."

What crap was that? I really haven't heard too many people saying that their membership was anything but around 2000.

The next one asked if the NA was attacking Panzerfaust so that they could take over the WN music market. Again, this was deleted. Why is it that they avoid these questions and squash dissent?

Pierce's ideas were just beginning to bear fruit when he died. All Gliebe had to do was pick up the ball and run with it.

[QUOTE=Librarian]Pierce's ideas were just beginning to bear fruit when he died. All Gliebe had to do was pick up the ball and run with it.[/QUOTE]

His "ideas" and tactics couldn't get more than 2000 people tops in the NA. If you really only had 800 people in the NA, it would take a threefold increase to be what you once were. His "tactics" revolve around littering people's lawns with his ancient NA leaflets, especially after a crime is there. Even now they put 10 year old Oliver Revilo articles in National Vanguard.
What you have been doing hasn't worked, nor will it ever work. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Even the NA suffered from the vague "When we take over" syndrome that has turned the movement into a static circus. Basically it is the idea that we'll just keep doing what we have been doing for the past fifty years, and then at that magic moment when the Day of the Rope comes, "we take over". It's actually quite similar to the evangelicals and their rapture ideas.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! What the hell does the NA do? What have they done to improve our plight in the 30 years of Pierce's life? Nothing! Our "leadership" has been completely inept and he is the perfect example of it. He didn't even have a large family himself and lacked the social skills to even find a wife! He had to get mail order brides. If any of them even had a leg to stand on they would have debated my ideas. But no, instead like jews they censor arguments!

[QUOTE=Machiavelli]His "ideas" and tactics couldn't get more than 2000 people tops in the NA.[/QUOTE]
Not bad for one man on his own. Of course, you were there, pitching in?


If you really only had 800 people in the NA, it would take a threefold increase to be what you once were.
That's self evident.


His "tactics" revolve around littering people's lawns with his ancient NA leaflets, especially after a crime is there. Even now they put 10 year old Oliver Revilo articles in National Vanguard.
Are you talking about Pierce or Gliebe here? If you are talking about Pierce, than I repeat - his work was beginning to bear fruit. If you are talking about Gliebe, then you are right - there has been no forward motion.


What you have been doing hasn't worked, nor will it ever work. It doesn't take a genius to see that.
It was beginning to work. That's why the current crowd are being allowed to continue - so they can screw it all up.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski].......the vague "When we take over" syndrome that has turned the movement into a static circus. Basically it is the idea that we'll just keep doing what we have been doing for the past fifty years, and then at that magic moment when the Day of the Rope comes, "we take over". It's actually quite similar to the evangelicals and their rapture ideas.[/QUOTE]

Right. It's contenting oneself with the status quo by substituting unlikely fantasy for likely reality. Something that is not confined to the NA by any means. Actually, NA under Pierce did have a reasonable approach, and that focus is diluted under the current leadership.

Are you talking about Pierce or Gliebe here? If you are talking about Pierce, than I repeat - his work was beginning to bear fruit. If you are talking about Gliebe, then you are right - there has been no forward motion.


I beg to differ comrade, National Vanguard.org is a move forward. In fact it is a major move forward for our White media. Rome wasn't built in a day, our cause - itz three steps forward and two steps backwards it would seem.

[QUOTE=White Dragon]I beg to differ comrade, National Vanguard.org is a move forward. In fact it is a major move forward for our White media. Rome wasn't built in a day, our cause - itz three steps forward and two steps backwards it would seem.[/QUOTE]


National Vanguard.org isn't nothing great and new. It's a take off from several other NA sprites.
It's just a web site on news. Nothing big at all.
I'd hardly call that a step forward.

I disagree. nationalvanguard.org is in my mind a clear answer to VNN and one or two other websites which bear some similarity. however it bears the hallmarks of the NA mentality in that it is tighly controlled and edited.

In my mind, that website is the only positive thing I have seen out of NA HQ post the dissolution of the old board of directors.

[QUOTE=White Dragon]I beg to differ comrade, National Vanguard.org is a move forward. In fact it is a major move forward for our White media. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/QUOTE]

Well Comrade that is how I see it also. With the VNN forum we have a real chance for hardline WN to come together & openly talk about real issues. :D

Here real WN can express their views without censorship, the only voices censored here are those of muds and scum!

[QUOTE=Aryan88]National Vanguard.org isn't nothing great and new. It's a take off from several other NA sprites.
It's just a web site on news. Nothing big at all.
I'd hardly call that a step forward.[/QUOTE]

Once again Aryan88 wows us with her vocabulary and grammer skills!!!!!

Hello Ms.Gaede!

I've always wanted to talk to a well-connected individual of the NA, and you certainly are one. I for one think your National Vanguard news site is very well done. Even so, I'm curious as to how the NA intends to "achieve victory" in restoring America's racial composition to at least its 1950s level. I've read your site extensively, read Dr. Pierce's many fine articles, listened to Kevin Strom's well-done ADV broadcasts and yet...I've never heard any specific plan from the NA on how we are to "achieve victory". Perhaps that's why so many WN's continue to attack Erich Gliebe as a back-stabbing, money-grubbing megalomaniac rather than a leader with a clear vision of where our Cause is headed. Can you elucidate?

[QUOTE=SheWolfoftheNA]Once again Aryan88 wows us with her vocabulary and grammer skills!!!!![/QUOTE]


ONCE AGAIN APRIL GAEDE WOWS US WITH HER SPECIAL APPEARANCE! ALWAYS ON THE LOOKOUT!
FEARFULL, MINDFULL, AND STEADFAST OF HER INFAMOUS SPOTLIGHT!

[QUOTE=SheWolfoftheNA]Once again Aryan88 wows us with her vocabulary and grammer skills!!!!![/QUOTE]


LOL

And she spells ‘grammar’ grammer in her putdown of you Aryan88, hahaha.

Good fer a laugh this ‘shewolf’ is whenever she posts on Linder’s forum though, supposedly she is representative of the female membership of the NA these days, eh?

Muwahahaha! :D

TG

The way I look at it, their forum, their rules.

Forums are not public domains, they are privately owned (obviously) and I don't care if they allow NA bashing or not, that is their business.

Besides, why worry about that, it REALLY is insignificant, especially when VNN exists so the NA can be discussed here freely.

[QUOTE=Aryan88]National Vanguard.org isn't nothing great and new. It's a take off from several other NA sprites.
It's just a web site on news. Nothing big at all.
I'd hardly call that a step forward.[/QUOTE]

I disagree Aryan88, it is a quality white news website that draws in thousands of new people everyday....after all isn't that our mission ?

[QUOTE=T.Garrett]LOL

And she spells ‘grammar’ grammer in her putdown of you Aryan88, hahaha.

Good fer a laugh this ‘shewolf’ is whenever she posts on Linder’s forum though, supposedly she is representative of the female membership of the NA these days, eh?

Muwahahaha! :D

TG[/QUOTE]


T.G. lol Here's another laugh. There is a rumor floating around that her daughter's are now the "SHEKITTENS". :D

[QUOTE=White Dragon]I disagree Aryan88, it is a quality white news website that draws in thousands of new people everyday....after all isn't that our mission ?[/QUOTE]



I don't know what I said to disagree with. I didn't say it wasn't a good source of news.
I said it wasn't anything big and that it's not really a step forward.
It is a good quality web site there's no doubt about that.

My question to you is:
If it does draw in thousands of new people everyday then where ARE those people?
It's quite obvious their not member's of the NA, and I haven't heard about any of the other organizations having massive amounts of folks joining them either.

I don't know of ANY WP/WN organization that publishes the number of members they have, this is because they are all likey much lower than they would like people to believe. However, I wouldn't put any stock in what the Southern Poverty LIE Center has to say. Keep in mind that for most of those 30 years the NA did not have the internet. As counterpoint to the bolded words above, let it be said that Adolf Hitler didn't have the Internet either, and yet he accomplished a thousand fold over what William Pierce did - and Pierce had THREE TIMES the amount of years to accomplish something over what Hitler did.

Pierce was an insightful, articulate, and personable man. Those were his best points. However, the NA itself is completely flawed, and is little more than a book selling organ, and not a viable means for us to win victory.






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[QUOTE=Aryan88]It's a take off from several other NA sprites.[/QUOTE]
The NA has sprites? :confused:

[QUOTE=Johnny McRacist]As counterpoint to the bolded words above, let it be said that Adolf Hitler didn't have the Internet either, and yet he accomplished a thousand fold over what William Pierce did - and Pierce had THREE TIMES the amount of years to accomplish something over what Hitler did.
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Hitler would have had a hell of a lot harder time too if most people in Germany were staring at the brainwashing Jewbox all day long.

The comparison falls flat.

Hitler would have had a hell of a lot harder time too if most people in Germany were staring at the brainwashing Jewbox all day long.The comparison falls flat.The comparison is completely valid. Pierce had many advantages that Hitler lacked, such as the Internet. Pierce also did not have to fight against the powerful forces of hard-core communists, like Hitler did. And please, don't compare the slimy geeks of today's ARA to the hard-muscled, fanatically determined German communists, who numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

Pierce also lived in a country which had a much freer press than Hitler's Germany, affording him a wider chance of being heard. Despite all these advantages, Pierce basically accomplished nothing, other than to make a name for himself, sell his Turner Diaries, profit from selling Nazi trinkets to skinheads, and establishing a comfortable retirement for himself and his cult.

Falls flat?

Hardly. But if that's the delusion you want to believe Bimboman, go right ahead.





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[QUOTE=Johnny McRacist]The comparison is completely valid. Pierce had many advantages that Hitler lacked, such as the Internet. Pierce also did not have to fight against the powerful forces of hard-core communists, like Hitler did. And please, don't compare the slimy geeks of today's ARA to the hard-muscled, fanatically determined German communists, who numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

Pierce also lived in a country which had a much freer press than Hitler's Germany, affording him a wider chance of being heard. Despite all these advantages, Pierce basically accomplished nothing, other than to make a name for himself, sell his Turner Diaries, profit from selling Nazi trinkets to skinheads, and establishing a comfortable retirement for himself and his cult.[/QUOTE]

Odd, Hitler was able to outright purchase a newspaper. Don't see any WN being able to purchase a major newspaper nowadays.

Once again, German (ie- Jewish) newspapers do not compare ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE LEVEL of brainwashing that can be accomplished when you attach moving pictures and entertainment for the lemmings right in the comfort of someone's home. What part of that can you not wrap your brain around, or do you just simply not understand the entire Pavlov's dogs issue? The comparison means jack shit boy-o, and as I said, falls flat.

Pierce had a very comfortable living he made from the National Alliance in his 'deluxe' mobile home that he lived in for many years...sure. Pierce 'basically accomplished' a whole heaping helping hell of a lot more than "Johnny McRacist" has or ever will.

Good job with Bimboman by the way, it is slightly more original than "Bananaman."

Mr. McRacist,

White Nationalists today are facing a very different situation than Hitler and the NSDAP were up against in Germany, and we are not going to be able to do the same things they did. Their economy was in ruins, they had just lost a war, people were desperate for solutions.

To dismiss the NA as just a "book club", as many do, is like dismissing Alcoholics Anonymous as just an organization that sobers up drunks. No above ground organization can actively work for the overthrow of the Gov't. of the US or any other place. The most valuable thing the NA, or White Revolution, or any other org can do at this time is educate people. No organization, at this time, is going to be able to march on Washington and take over at gunpoint. And I do not think we are going to be able to vote our way out of the mess we are in. The success of any racialist organization can be measured by the quality of their ideology and their success at propagating that ideology to that intelligent minority of our society that comprises the majority of will.

We are in desperate need of new ideas. Perhaps you have some?

[QUOTE=Bamaman]Odd, Hitler was able to outright purchase a newspaper. Don't see any WN being able to purchase a major newspaper nowadays.

Once again, German (ie- Jewish) newspapers do not compare ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE LEVEL of brainwashing that can be accomplished when you attach moving pictures and entertainment for the lemmings right in the comfort of someone's home. What part of that can you not wrap your brain around, or do you just simply not understand the entire Pavlov's dogs issue? The comparison means jack shit boy-o, and as I said, falls flat.

Pierce had a very comfortable living he made from the National Alliance in his 'deluxe' mobile home that he lived in for many years...sure. Pierce 'basically accomplished' a whole heaping helping hell of a lot more than "Johnny McRacist" has or ever will.

Good job with Bimboman by the way, it is slightly more original than "Bananaman."[/QUOTE]


Yeah, Dr. Pierce sure had a real nice retirement program and a comfortable living. He worked himself to death and lived like a pauper. History will be the judge of his greatness. My personal opinion is that he towers over anyone of the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Bimboman does have a nice ring to it.

[font=Times New Roman][size=3][/size][/font][font=Verdana][size=2]Odd, Hitler was able to outright purchase a newspaper. Don't see any WN being able to purchase a major newspaper nowadays.[/size][/font][font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman]Very true. Hitler was able to accomplish many things, especially when he used his charm and finese to gain monetary supporters, which, over time, he did. Krupp Steel was one of his major financiers, by the way, along with many other well-moneyed German industrialists.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]As for American white nationalists buying a newspaper, there's no law from stopping them. What is stopping them is lack of money, which may be due to the fact that rich supporters aren't comfortable financing organizations whose members wave Nazi flags and wear Nazi swastikas. Pierce was guilty of allowing such open displays of Nazi symbols, and as a result probably scared off many would-be financial supporters.[/font]
[font=Times New Roman][size=2][font=Verdana]Pierce had a very comfortable living he made from the National Alliance in his 'deluxe' mobile home that he lived in for many years...sure.[font=Times New Roman][/font][/font][/size] [/font]
[font=Times New Roman]Because Pierce chose to be frugal with the profits from his multi-million dollar enterprise does not prove he couldn't have built a very nice home. Are you not familiar with Sam Walton, founder of Wal-Mart? He drove around in a rusty, beat-up pickup when that billionaire could have driven around in a literally gold-plated BMW pickup (if they exist). So, Bimboman, would you retort to me, "Hey, wadda ya mean Walton had a lot of money! Gosh darn, that dude couldn't even afford a new Chevy pickup!"[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]The lesson here is that you're being disengenuous, Bimboman. You're trying to pull the "poor widdle me" on behalf of Dr. Pierce, who, in actuality, ran a multi-million dollar business. Oh, and you conveniently (and deliberately, no doubt) left out the fact that Pierce's "mobile home" sat on a HUGE spread of forested land, almost 400 acres, to be exact. Sure don't sound poor to me, Bimboman![/font]
[font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][size=2]Pierce 'basically accomplished' a whole heaping helping hell of a lot more than "Johnny McRacist" has or ever will.[/size][/font] [/font]
[font=Times New Roman]That's a loser's comeback. Hey, Bimboman, Hillary Clinton has "accomplished" more than you. Let's she, she got her law degree, got elected to high office, made a lot of money, and more. But...who fucking cares, Bimboman! Shit, you find serial killers and child molestors that have "accomplished" more than you, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they're STILL serial killers. Likewise, the fact that Pierce has indeed "acomplished" more than me does not excuse the fact that 30 years of selling The Turner Diaries did little more than put cash in his pocket. Where, Bimboman, are the BIG changes that Pierce can take credit for? Jeebus, maybe I'm blind, but I sure as heck don't see them. You do, but then, all members of a cult generally view their leader in a godlike light. [/font]
[font=Times New Roman][size=2][font=Verdana]Good job with Bimboman by the way, it is slightly more original than "Bananaman."[font=Times New Roman][/font][/font][/size] [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]I try to please...[/font]



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[size=1][color=black][size=2]The most valuable thing the NA, or White Revolution, or any other org can do at this time is educate people. [/size] [/color][/size]

I disagree. Far more can be done than merely "educating" people. Real solid advancements can be made, but groups like the NA and WR simply aren't equipped, either intellectually, strategically, or financially to accomplish such goals.

[size=1][size=2]No organization, at this time, is going to be able to march on Washington and take over at gunpoint.[/size] [/size]

Where in my posts have I suggested an armed march on Washington? That isn't my mindset, but scratch the veneer of any WN leader and it's probably theirs. As someone aptly pointed out in a different thread, this WN proclivity to wait for some magical "gotterdammerung" of the white masses is just plain silly. I sure don't believe it.

The success of any racialist organization can be measured by the quality of their ideology and their success at propagating that ideology to that intelligent minority of our society that comprises the majority of will.
We are in desperate need of new ideas. Perhaps you have some? I contend that the NA has failed - after 30 years - to make solid, demonstrable advances towards ridding our nation of our multicultural disease. As for ideas, they're great. I have some good ones myself, but ideas without the financial means to realize them are generally blown off by the cynics and the skeptics. Take the recent flight of that private spaceship, for instance. The individuals behind that accomplished what NASA engineers would have sneered at as impossible; just like a previous age sneered at two jerkwater bicycle mechanics when they proclaimed they could build the world's first self-powered flying machine.

Advancement is indeed possible, far beyond the passing out of NA flyers, and holding rallies at Valley Forge. If you cannot see that, then you are yet another disillusioned WN who is stuck in a mental rut.
Yeah, Dr. Pierce sure had a real nice retirement program and a comfortable living. He worked himself to death and lived like a pauper. Pierce's hard work and dedication are not in question here, certainly not by me. But to call a man who owned a multi-million dollar business enterprise and lived on a 400 acre estate "poor" is simply nonsense. Pierce was'nt poor. He may have lived frugally, but he didn't have to. That's the point here.



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[QUOTE=Fred Streed]Bimboman does have a nice ring to it.[/QUOTE]

It's better than Bananaman, at least in the rolling off the tongue.

[QUOTE=Aryan88]T.G. lol Here's another laugh. There is a rumor floating around that her daughter's are now the "SHEKITTENS". :D[/QUOTE]

Now THAT was funny!!! Good one Aryan88!!

[QUOTE=Exterminance]The NA has sprites? :confused:[/QUOTE]

not really, evidently it just has wolves and kittens.........

[QUOTE=SheWolfoftheNA]Now THAT was funny!!! Good one Aryan88!![/QUOTE]




Too bad I can't take the credit though!
In the way that you seek me out you'll need to go on one of your famous WOLF hunts to give the credit to the one who so deserves it.
While your out hunting you might want to POP open a can of "PRINGLES" sure to help guide you along the way.
HMMMMMMM

[QUOTE=Aryan88]Too bad I can't take the credit though!
In the way that you seek me out you'll need to go on one of your famous WOLF hunts to give the credit to the one who so deserves it.
While your out hunting you might want to POP open a can of "PRINGLES" sure to help guide you along the way.
HMMMMMMM [/QUOTE]

why do you think I "seek you out"?

[QUOTE=SheWolfoftheNA]why do you think I "seek you out"?[/QUOTE]






:rolleyes: