http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/north_bergen_blogger_accused_o.html

North Bergen blogger accused of threatening federal judges is held without bail

by The Associated Press Monday August 10, 2009, 5:23 PM


CHICAGO -- A blogger who once kept tabs on extremist groups as a paid informant for the FBI was ordered held without bail today while awaiting trial on charges that he threatened the lives of three federal judges.

Hal Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., represents too great a danger to the community to be freed from custody, U.S. Magistrate Judge Martin C. Ashman said.

"I don't know of any combination of conditions that could alleviate the danger to the community," Ashman said.

Turner wrote on his blog June 2 that three federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" for their decision in a case involving ordinances banning handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park.

The three-judge panel declined to declare the ordinances unconstitutional, saying it was a decision that would have to be made by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Turner called the judges "scum" and said "their blood will replenish the tree of liberty."

His attorneys say he never advocated the judges' murder but merely gave his opinion, which was constitutionally protected free speech.

At the hearing, prosecutors acknowledged that for several years Turner was a paid FBI informant, saying in a letter to his lawyers he had supplied information on "right-wing white nationalist and white supremacist groups."

Turner turned a .22-caliber silencer kit sent to him over to the FBI in July 2007, saying it was "the perfect item for an assassin."

He also e-mailed agents in November 2007 with word that Ku Klux Klan members were planning an arson at Middle Tennessee State University because a student there had been "willfully antagonizing folks in the pro-white movement."

Prosecutors said the relationship between Turner and the FBI had ended some time ago. But as recently as last November, Turner told federal marshals about a man who spoke of wanting to "lob mortars" into the rally held on election night in Chicago's downtown Grant Park that was celebrating President Barack Obama's election.

Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan told Ashman, however, that agents had located the man who turned out to be "a drunk in a bar." He said nothing came of the matter.

In denying bond, Ashman focused on an incident at a jail in Newark, N.J., after Turner was arrested on charges of threatening the judges.

Ashman said Turner promised prosecutors he would stay off the Internet. While behind bars, however, he made a nine-minute phone call in which he gave the names of three FBI agents who had arrested him. The call was then broadcast over Internet radio.

The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals.

"The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said.

Turner also is accused of threatening two Connecticut lawmakers after urging his blog readers to "take up arms" against them. His arraignment has been postponed to Aug. 18. Turner's lawyer has said that case also is about freedom of speech.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7583/halturnerwithsilencer.jpg

This explains why his army of skin heads haven't broken him out of jail, nor set off any earthquakes in the area, creating a diversion so he could make his escape.

I do feel bad for all the honest Whites that were duped into supporting him though.

Hal Turned once said that all non-Xians (including Whites) should be exterminated. That is when I lost interest in him.

Have any of you seen him in action?

At the first Knoxville rally, we Tennessean WNs were embarrassed when Turner opened his mouth and started telling the press that the Klan was going to start hanging the negroes in Knoxville. Thankfully he stayed home for the second Knoxville rally.

I hope he goes to prison, and I hope someone there does the right thing.

I am speechless with shock.
I have known Hal for years and the man described in this report is not the man with whom I have spoken and with whom I have dealt on many occasions.
I would like to speak privately with Hal about what was said in court to find out more about the matter.
As I have said previously, if Hal was such an FBI 'asset' he would not be languishing in a ZOG dungeon.
Something here does not add up.
The ZOG police/intelligence agencies here in Australia have been trying to get me to roll over for three years. It seems to be standard practice to target anyone who has any sort of a profile.
Not going to happen.
I have spent time in the cells and been interrogated. I have even been dragged into court as a thought criminal under a law which (like the Holyhoax law) has a provision that truth is not a defence.T.J.B.
'Deals' were offered. None were taken.
That the ZOG feels the need to use such tactics shows how desperate and morally bankrupt they are.
Until I can speak with Hal I will not form a view one way or the other.
Call it misguided loyalty if you wish.

He's a traitor. Lower than the lowest nigger. Worse than the most scheming jew or a braindead kwan tard. Niggers, jews and kwans do what they do because that is what they are. Hal, unlike the kwans, is a White man who KNOWS the truth about things and spat in everyone's faces....

A militia guy named Koernke used to talk about the informants that think they are pet puppies. They are for a while and then they get thrown to the wolves.

Well, if Hal is going to do Fed time, there will be small groups of Dirty White Boys. They may do him in, they may get niggers to, or they may ignore him. Time will tell.

I am speechless with shock.
I have known Hal for years and the man described in this report is not the man with whom I have spoken and with whom I have dealt on many occasions.
I would like to speak privately with Hal about what was said in court to find out more about the matter.
As I have said previously, if Hal was such an FBI 'asset' he would not be languishing in a ZOG dungeon.
Something here does not add up.
The ZOG police/intelligence agencies here in Australia have been trying to get me to roll over for three years. It seems to be standard practice to target anyone who has any sort of a profile.
Not going to happen.
I have spent time in the cells and been interrogated. I have even been dragged into court as a thought criminal under a law which (like the Holyhoax law) has a provision that truth is not a defence.T.J.B.
'Deals' were offered. None were taken.
That the ZOG feels the need to use such tactics shows how desperate and morally bankrupt they are.
Until I can speak with Hal I will not form a view one way or the other.
Call it misguided loyalty if you wish.

One thing is absolutely certain: the Associated Press is not a reliable source of information.

Like the military, law enforcement agencies sometimes deliberately issue mis-information to the public.

Hal looks like a Jew and acts like a jew. He is no different then Michael Savage the shock jock radio personality. Death to traitors!

One thing is absolutely certain: the Associated Press is not a reliable source of information.

Like the military, law enforcement agencies sometimes deliberately issue mis-information to the public.

True enough.

Would you be satisfied if I ordered the transcripts from the court and posted them?

True enough.

Would you be satisfied if I ordered the transcripts from the court and posted them?

That would be helpful.

That would be helpful.

Ok, but if I have to get paper copies instead of a pdf or something, I don't want any wild accusations when I scan them that I have somehow altered them.

Hal's treason is serious enough that I am willing to pay the five bucks a page or whatever to get my hands on them and post them here.

He also e-mailed agents in November 2007 with word that Ku Klux Klan members were planning an arson at Middle Tennessee State University because a student there had been "willfully antagonizing folks in the pro-white movement."

POSTED 18 November 2007 0840 HRS EDT / UPDATED 19 NOV 2305 HRS

LOCAL PAPER HEADLINE:"Student threatened by anti-semitic group"
should read "Big Mouth Jew Ran To Cops!"


Photo of Zachary Elliott Teel supplied to Hal Turner Show by MTSU student
Zachary "Elliott Teel"; a regular pain in the ass on the Visitor Comment Areas of this web site; ends up with cops to prevent "tune-up"

Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, TN calls-in Campus cops, Murfreesboro, TN cops, Local Sheriff, State Troopers and even FBI last night.

I hear rumors that "friends" of The Hal Turner Show allegedly prepared to pay "Elliott" a visit last night after midnight. I also hear rumors they became aware of enormous police surveillance and a large police presence in and around the Monohon Dorm, Room 117 at Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, TN where "Elliott Teel" resides.

Apparently the self-described 6' 6" big mouth jew isn't so tough after all; allowing cops to save him from his own big mouth.

For months, Elliott Teel talked tough on the message forums of this web site, hurling anti-American, anti-White, Anti-Christian abuse at the people who frequent this site. He spewed so much politically-correct nonsense that he was repeatedly BANNED from the comment areas. He circumvented the ban by changing his IP address to get around the firewall which had blocked him out. He delivered his views with an arrogant jew attitude. When people here got tired of his abusiveness, they made remarks along the lines of "you wouldn't say that to my face" after which Mr. Teel went so far as to publish his own school and dorm address info and DARE anyone to come see him personally! You can see it for yourself HERE

When it came time to step up and stand his ground; Mr. Teel went running to the cops. How faggoty!

As with many jews, Mr. Teel is trying to portray himself a "victim." It just isn't so. Mr. Teel deliberately and maliciously antagonized people and publicly challenged anyone to come deal with him on campus. He brought all this upon himself through his personal and deliberate action.

This is a good opportunity for me to remind everyone that what goes on at this web site is not a joke. The issues raised here are serious. The people who visit this site are deadly serious in their commitment to the White race and we simply will not abide opposition or interference from the non-white hordes or their jew puppet masters.

Unlike other pro-White sites, the people who come to this site don't simply talk, they take real life action.

There is a severe price to be paid for provoking us and we are not afraid to collect regardless of the provocateur's position, status, money or power. Leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

I am speechless with shock.
I have known Hal for years and the man described in this report is not the man with whom I have spoken and with whom I have dealt on many occasions.
I would like to speak privately with Hal about what was said in court to find out more about the matter.
As I have said previously, if Hal was such an FBI 'asset' he would not be languishing in a ZOG dungeon.
Something here does not add up.

Derrick MacThomas has it right. Something definitely doesn't add up. I wish people wouldn't be so daft. Hal obviously wasn't as useful as the feds wanted him to be. You know damn well that the feds leaned hard on Hal after the Lefkow murders and cut some sort of deal with him at that time in return for his "service". That's where it began. The zog could have locked him up for good after those killings after what he wrote on his website. He was mistaken to believe that he had full protection to carry on as usual with the puny shit he turned over to them though. One thing to remember, he never gave them anything worth anything. That's why he's rotting in a cell as we speak. If he truly "infiltrated" any aspect of the WN movement, and turned over viable info., his website and show would carry on indefinitely. The zog was on to him about where his loyalties lie. One thing can be said about Hal for certain though....he acted stupidly.

An Internet radio host pleaded not guilty today to threatening to kill three federal appellate judges in Chicago and then sought his release from custody, saying he has been an informant for the FBI.
Hal Turner, who was arrested last month at his home in New Jersey, shook his head after being handed a copy of the indictment.

Turner is charged with calling for appellate judges Frank Easterbrook, William Bauer and Richard Posner to be killed after they affirmed a lower court decision June 2 to dismiss challenges to Chicago's handgun ban.
Turner allegedly used his web site to put out the message that all three were "cunning, ruthless, untrustworthy, disloyal, unpatriotic, deceitful scum."
"Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed," he allegedly said.
A federal judge from Louisiana will be brought in to preside over the case.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Martin Ashman gave Turner 10 days to subpoena an FBI agent who Turner contends acted as his handler as he supplied the government with information. Turner's lawyer, Michael Orozco, said Turner prevented military equipment from being sold on the Internet and even tipped off the U.S. Marshal Service to a threat against President Barack Obama.
"So you're saying he's an American hero," Ashman said somewhat sarcastically.
As for the charges, Orozco said Turner was only giving his opinion on the judges' ruling and that he has a Constitutional right to free speech.
Assistant U.S. Atty. William Hogan said a magistrate judge in New Jersey had already ordered Turner detained before he was sent to Chicago, finding that he was a threat to the community. He has continued to air threatening radio messages on the Internet since his arrest, including a call placed from custody in New Jersey, Hogan said.
Hogan said Turner may have had some contact with the FBI as an informant but that it was quite some time ago. He said he had no idea about any action Turner supposedly took to thwart an attack on the president.

-- Jeff Coen


http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/07/radio-host-denies-threatening-federal-judges.html

At Turner's arraignment hearing on July 28, Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Hogan argued that Turner should remain in custody based, in part, on the fact that he continued to threaten authorities even after his arrest. Hogan said that while Turner was in custody in New Jersey, he called in additional postings naming three FBI agents who interviewed him. He called in those postings despite court restrictions on his Internet use.
Turner's attorney, Michael Orozco of Newark, N.J.-based Bailey & Orozco, has filed a motion to dismiss the charges, saying they violate his client's First Amendment right (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202432608118) to express his opinions on his Web site and that nothing on the site was "a true threat." Orozco is also seeking to have the case moved to New Jersey if it proceeds.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202432934181&No_Bail_for_Web_Talk_Show_Host_Who_Said_Judges_Deserve_to_Die

NON-AP Link:

BY NATASHA KORECKI (nkorecki@suntimes.com) Federal Courts Reporter
A lightning-rod Internet blogger and radio host out of New Jersey was a paid FBI informant, once turned over a silencer to the feds and even passed on information about a threat against President Obama.
But none of that is enough to get him out of jail now, a federal judge ruled this afternoon.
U.S. District Judge Martin Ashman said Hal Turner — accused of threatening to assault and murder three federal judges — is still a danger to the community.
Ashman said the fact that Turner from his New Jersey prison cell managed to record and post on the Internet a telephone conversation that included the names of his arresting FBI agents “tells me something about the disposition of Mr. Turner.” Ashman denied Turner’s request to have FBI agents testify at his bond hearing.
Ashman’s ruling comes despite today’s revelation that the FBI paid Turner “tens of thousands of dollars” to work as an informant from 2002 to 2005. Last year, Turner told a U.S. marshal of a threat by someone to lob mortars into Grant Park during Obama’s election celebration.
Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., is accused of attempting to instigate violence against three 7th Circuit judges after they authored an anti-gun rights ruling earlier this summer.
He posted a headline saying, “These judges deserve to be killed,” followed the next day by, “Judges official public work addresses and a map of the area are below. Their home addresses and maps will follow soon. Behold these devils.”
Turner posted the judges’ names, photographs, phone numbers, office address and room numbers, according to charges.
Calls for increased security and strengthened laws protecting jurists ramped up in 2005, after a disgruntled litigant broke into the North Side home of U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow and murdered her husband and mother.
One of his lawyers, Michael Orozco, said Turner was nothing more than a “shock jock,” whose on-air rhetoric was out of line with the man who went home to his wife and family at day’s end.
Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan called Turner’s role as an informant a “sideshow,” to the question of bond, saying Turner simply passed along tips and rumors to the FBI.
In one email sent July 26, 2007, Turner tells an FBI agent of his intent to turn over a silencer kit for a .22-caliber weapon.
“Just the other day we were laughing about how HQ thinks I’m satan incarnate,” Turner writes in the e-mail. “How the heck am I going to fulfill their fears if I go turning stuff like this in the way a law-abiding citizen does?”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1709218,hal-turner-fbi-judges-081009.article

One thing is absolutely certain: the Associated Press is not a reliable source of information.
True. But how about his own wife? How about his own mother? This is what they posted on their website on 08/01.

http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/


At the July 28th, 2009 bond hearing, Magistrate Judge Ashman gave Mr. Turner’s attorneys more time to produce evidence of his prior acts while working as an FBI informant and immediately after which resulted in numerous lives being saved and sophisticated military hardware from being placed into the black market.

Posted by Family of Hal Turner at 2:05 PM 3 comments

Even after admitting that their husband/son was betraying his race, they still have the nerve to continue begging for money. He taught them very well.

Please, keep those donations coming. They are DESPERATELY NEEDED!

Derrick MacThomas has it right.

Derrick was on the "Turner Radio Network". He has a vested interest in Hal.

Something definitely doesn't add up. I wish people wouldn't be so daft. Hal obviously wasn't as useful as the feds wanted him to be. You know damn well that the feds leaned hard on Hal after the Lefkow murders and cut some sort of deal with him at that time in return for his "service". That's where it began. The zog could have locked him up for good after those killings after what he wrote on his website. He was mistaken to believe that he had full protection to carry on as usual with the puny shit he turned over to them though. One thing to remember, he never gave them anything worth anything. That's why he's rotting in a cell as we speak. If he truly "infiltrated" any aspect of the WN movement, and turned over viable info., his website and show would carry on indefinitely. The zog was on to him about where his loyalties lie. One thing can be said about Hal for certain though....he acted stupidly.

ZOG always backstabs rats when they are done pumping information out of them.

he was in the pocket of zog. he suckled on the nipple of betrayal.

Why is anyone even trying to support the guy? I know we like to see the best in supposed WNs but come on, this is not the type of guy you want to be part of a revolution with, he would obviously turn on you for 30 pieces of silver.

T.J.B.

ZOG always backstabs rats when they are done pumping information out of them.[/QUOTE]

True, but the point is, from the things I've heard and read, he never supplied them with anything useful from the beginning. Everything I've seen has been nonsense- stupid threats written on his message board and such, which I understand has to be turned over to the FBI anyway if you want to steer clear away from legal hassle. Where is the real stuff? Where is the real shit the feds crave? This is just an idiotic defense for him.

If all of this is true he even duped the likes of Metzger. I guess the Duke folks may have been right about Hal.

If the the court documents do back the Associated press, Hal may have a hard life ahead of him.



It is such a shame that that there aren't any dynamic personalities out there that can do a show that supports the rights of White folks to survive and have a future. We do need that kind of voice to help wake our folk.

Derrick MacThomas has it right. Something definitely doesn't add up. I wish people wouldn't be so daft. Hal obviously wasn't as useful as the feds wanted him to be. You know damn well that the feds leaned hard on Hal after the Lefkow murders and cut some sort of deal with him at that time in return for his "service". That's where it began. The zog could have locked him up for good after those killings after what he wrote on his website. He was mistaken to believe that he had full protection to carry on as usual with the puny shit he turned over to them though. One thing to remember, he never gave them anything worth anything. That's why he's rotting in a cell as we speak. If he truly "infiltrated" any aspect of the WN movement, and turned over viable info., his website and show would carry on indefinitely. The zog was on to him about where his loyalties lie. One thing can be said about Hal for certain though....he acted stupidly.

I think that this version of events makes the most sense. Personally, I have no dog in this fight either way. But it’s not too hard to imagine that after Lefkow his head was in it and he did what he could with half-hearted promises to wiggle it out. Just think of what you would do when they come and offer you the Ken Trentadue treatment? All in all I see no harm no foul here with his FBI dealings. As Rounder says, name one individual locked up on account of Hal?

As Rounder says, name one individual locked up on account of Hal?

Even if we had a name, court docs would only ID Hal as a CI. There would be no "Hal Turner" listed on paperwork. What you and Rounder say is impossible to do. After all, the person locked up wouldn't have internet access, either. That statement doesn't wash.

Derrick was on the "Turner Radio Network". He has a vested interest in Hal.
Guilty as charged. :D

Regardless of anything, I wish all FBI informants would be like Hal Turner. He woke up more whites than I can tell you with his show and website. A hell of alot more damage was done to the jew world order than anything good. Of this I can attest.

I'll reserve judgment until more is known. Personally met Hal a couple of times and he seemed like your typical neo-con guy from NJ. Certainly didin't come off as a fire eater jumping at the bit to ethnically cleanse his neighborhood.

AUDIO: Radio Interview with Hal Turner's Lawyer

Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98940



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AUDIO: Radio Interview with Hal Turner's Lawyer

Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98940



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After listening to this mouthpiece, his claim that Hal was a “paid informant” sounds like it may just be a tactical defense. Who knows? Who can say for sure at this point? Staring Matt Hale-like federal time in the face, snuggling up to ZOG is a desperate Hail Mary that they both may feel he needs to take.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7583/halturnerwithsilencer.jpg

Yankee Jim has to be rolling over in his grave.

No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities.

In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected.

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??

I'll reserve judgment until more is known. Personally met Hal a couple of times and he seemed like your typical neo-con guy from NJ. Certainly didin't come off as a fire eater jumping at the bit to ethnically cleanse his neighborhood.

I saw him only once - at the Knoxville demonstration, though I didn't get the chance to speak with him. I thought he gave a damn excellent speech there.

I'd like to hear Alex's "take" on all this. Alex is honest and insightful and more capable of cutting through the BS.

We do know one thing, though. The JOG hates Turner's guts.

Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI

One more point on this.

What does an “agent provocateur” claim have to do with a First Amendment defense? Nothing that I can see. It’s either protected speech or it’s not, regardless of the motive. So then why raise the agent provocateur issue at all? The only reason I can think of would be to muddy the prosecution’s case and place additional doubt in the judges’/ juries’ mind when you think your First Amendment defense could be weak. (i.e. “If my client over stepped the free speech line, it was only because he was paid to do so.”)

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??

Was Hal paid tens of thousands of dollars by the FBI for doing nothing but forwarding threatening posts on his blog and reporting a drunk in a bar?

Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot.

Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner.

No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities.

In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected.

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??


Do you mean like charges of sedition or armed robbery and murder???

Nothing like that yet.

Was Hal paid tens of thousands of dollars by the FBI for doing nothing but forwarding threatening posts on his blog and reporting a drunk in a bar?

Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot.

Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner.

You're point is well taken, however someone out there would be aware of a WN rounded up by the feds with some kind of suspicious link to Turner. I haven't heard of any. I haven't heard of any trial. There would at least be rumours, certainly now that the cat is out of the bag. Still nothing as of yet.

I've given my opinion of Turner many times before.

I don't trust him based on my dealings with him and the fact that he lies about both his own costs and simply invents stories out of thin air and runs them as real news. VNN's backer paid him a lot of money to host us a few years ago. During the half-summer we were on his server, VNN was down about half the time. Worse than any other server we've been with. I loaded stories for three days, and only then did he tell me I was loading them to the wrong server.

There's no excuse for what he has done. Those of you claiming to be shocked are pathetic.

When will some of you get it through your heads that liars do more damage than good?

We hardly need to lie to advance our cause. All we need is the truth, put in simple, direct form, repeated endlessly. That alone won't get the job done, but it is certainly the starting point. The rest I lay out in "Strategy" and related forums below.

Those of you defending Turner belong to the class of loser-fantasists that, even here, we see far too many of. If you think it costs Hal Turner thousands of dollars a month to run his network, you are too stupid to be of use to any political cause. If you can't tell that Hal made up most of his news...same thing. If you're making excuses for him, you're worse than pathetic. Your type will cause this thing to happen over and over again.

Lying and blowharding do nothing for our cause. Wake up and realize that. It's one thing to be a patriotard+race, as Hal was, and at a truly professional level. That's fine as far as it goes. We can use a Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh-style radio voice. But to make stuff up and to issue threats you know you have no intention of following through on is incredibly destructive. Not merely to yourself, as White and Turner have found, but more subtly in that it attracts precisely the kind of easily impressed loser that is sheer avoirdupois on any worthwhile cause.

Rounder, if you had done what Turner did, I would have nothing to do with you. There is no excuse for what he did. Whereas, in your case, the Order wronged you. And I have not seen a single one of the Order fangirls acknowledge that. The Order did nothing for our cause except destroy the most successful American White political group created since before WWII.

Just one last time, in case you don't get it: You making excuses for Turner are pathetic losers. Your very comments show that you are not to be trusted.

If Hal Turner was a paid FBI informant, the government sure has a twisted way of thanking him for his services. The manner in which Hal is currently being crucified and persecuted by the government makes me skeptical about him ever being an informant in the first place. It's hard to imagine a genuine FBI informant and agent provocateur being hammered so hard by the same feds that Hal had supposedly helped. As the Irishmen pointed out, I think this is a desperation attempt by Hal and his lawyers to avoid a long prison sentence.

After listening to this mouthpiece, his claim that Hal was a “paid informant” sounds like it may just be a tactical defense. Who knows? Who can say for sure at this point? Staring Matt Hale-like federal time in the face, snuggling up to ZOG is a desperate Hail Mary that they both may feel he needs to take.

I personally don't like or approve this tactic (if indeed it is just a tactic) However, facing a possible 40 year jail sentence is a desperate situation that would require a desperate measure.

Notice I banned both White and Turner before all this garbage happened. That is because I correctly recognized that although both men have real, substantial, professional-level virtues, these virtues are outweighed by their flaws, in both cases their willingness to lie outright repeatedly.

No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

There is for me. His lawyers and family are certainly acting on his instructions. I have met Hal in person. He has precisely the bearing of the cop - bluff, hearty, loud, strong. It is easy for me to believe that he helped the FBI for free or for pay, in order to get money or thrills. He obviously is someone who makes no great distinction between fantasy and reality. That and his actions make him dangerous to the rest of us and our cause. You anonyms making excuses for him truly are pathetic.

No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

I agree. I have a natural distrust of anything that comes from the Jewsmedia. You have to remember that these people lie for a living.

Good posts Alex.

Rounder, if you had done what Turner did, I would have nothing to do with you. There is no excuse for what he did. Whereas, in your case, the Order wronged you. And I have not seen a single one of the Order fangirls acknowledge that. The Order did nothing for our cause except destroy the most successful American White political group created since before WWII.

I have long held the belief that Hal Turner was an informant, a lunatic, or as it seems, both.

However, I must take issue with the paragraph above. The "most successful American White political group created after WW2" (presuming you mean the WPP) would not have been possible without The Silent Brotherhood. It's not as if RJM attempted to deceive Mr. Miller about the nature of the money he was donating: he admitted, without batting an eye, that it was stolen from ZOG banks. Miller willingly entered a "criminal conspiracy," or a "patriotic agreement" as he sees it, with The Order and its leader.

Following that, things went to hell, and I don't want to get into that argument again. From reading both sides of the story, it's obviously not as black and white of an issue as I once believed it to be; however, if we had 10,000 men like Bob Mathews, this country would be on the road to a renaissance, and belittling the accomplishments of he and his comrades does nothing to embolden a new generation with his spirit.

I have long held the belief that Hal Turner was an informant, a lunatic, or as it seems, both.

However, I must take issue with the paragraph above. The "most successful American White political group created after WW2" (presuming you mean the WPP) would not have been possible without The Silent Brotherhood. It's not as if RJM attempted to deceive Mr. Miller about the nature of the money he was donating: he admitted, without batting an eye, that it was stolen from ZOG banks. Miller willingly entered a "criminal conspiracy," or a "patriotic agreement" as he sees it, with The Order and its leader.

What Miller entered into concerning The Order is not in dispute. He willingly accepted money from them knowing where it came from. The problem began after RJM was assassinated by the feds and the rounding up of Order members began. As soon as they were arrested they sang like canaries telling the feds who they gave the stolen money to in the hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Anything Miller did after getting fingered by The Order was perfectly justifiable imo.

Glenn seems to get all of the flak from that mess. How did jog know about Glenn getting money from the Order? Someone had to snitch on Glenn, didn't they?

There is for me. His lawyers and family are certainly acting on his instructions. I have met Hal in person. He has precisely the bearing of the cop - bluff, hearty, loud, strong. It is easy for me to believe that he helped the FBI for free or for pay, in order to get money or thrills. He obviously is someone who makes no great distinction between fantasy and reality. That and his actions make him dangerous to the rest of us and our cause. You anonyms making excuses for him truly are pathetic.

It isn't a question as to whether or not Hal Turner was an F.B.I. informant, that has been settled. Who here is questioning that? People are merely questioning the capacity in which he acted. Is this not important or relevant? This is why people are holding back final judgment. I would hardly call this making excuses. Knowing how the jew likes to play, this is understandable. I would argue that those who rush to judgment without all the facts can be quite dangerous and easily manipulated. Isn't this how the jew causes in-fighting with ease?

I wanted to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. I listened to his radio shows for years and enjoyed them. I am very disappointed that even though the publicity and support he gained from listeners and WP friends, he turned his back on them (us) and chose to be a JOG-bot.

Now that he is of no use to JOG, he is thrown like a used up pair of dirty socks.
Serves him right to rot in jail.

I have long held the belief that Hal Turner was an informant, a lunatic, or as it seems, both.

However, I must take issue with the paragraph above. The "most successful American White political group created after WW2" (presuming you mean the WPP) would not have been possible without The Silent Brotherhood. It's not as if RJM attempted to deceive Mr. Miller about the nature of the money he was donating: he admitted, without batting an eye, that it was stolen from ZOG banks. Miller willingly entered a "criminal conspiracy," or a "patriotic agreement" as he sees it, with The Order and its leader.

Miller is guilty of truly remarkable stupidity in taking stolen money in front of, what, nine people. Yes, agree. But the Order is stupider for demanding the all-but-calling-a-press-conference handover, and even more guilty for then ratting him out when they got caught.

If you're going to commit crimes to advance our cause, part of that, if you're truly noble, is carrying your mission all the way through. And if you get caught, it is your duty to keep your mouth shut. The Order didn't keep its mouth shut. Mistake, after mistake, after mistake.


Following that, things went to hell, and I don't want to get into that argument again. From reading both sides of the story, it's obviously not as black and white of an issue as I once believed it to be; however, if we had 10,000 men like Bob Mathews, this country would be on the road to a renaissance, and belittling the accomplishments of he and his comrades does nothing to embolden a new generation with his spirit.

It's not belittling him to describe him as

1) incompetent
2) actively involved in destroying virtually the only significant WHITE political party -- real, not on paper -- that existed in this country in the last sixty years.

Those are the facts.

It isn't a question as to whether or not Hal Turner was an F.B.I. informant, that has been settled. Who here is questioning that? People are merely questioning the capacity in which he acted. Is this not important or relevant? This is why people are holding back final judgment. I would hardly call this making excuses. Knowing how the jew likes to play, this is understandable. I would argue that those who rush to judgment without all the facts can be quite dangerous and easily manipulated. Isn't this how the jew causes in-fighting with ease?

Welcome, fake-newbie dumbass, it's not the prosecutors saying it, it's his own people.

Ya stupid fuck.

I wanted to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. I listened to his radio shows for years and enjoyed them. I am very disappointed that even though the publicity and support he gained from listeners and WP friends, he turned his back on them (us) and chose to be a JOG-bot.

Now that he is of no use to JOG, he is thrown like a used up pair of dirty socks.
Serves him right to rot in jail.

No, it doesn't serve him right because he didn't say anything illegal.

Don't let that fact get lost in the hubbub.

Hal Turner said NOTHING illegal. He knew the legal limits of free speech better than anybody, and he stayed on the legal side of the line. As did Bill White.

I defend both of their free speech, and I am outraged by these cheapjack prosecutors who think they can follow the law only when it suits their interests.

As for Hal's working for the FBI, well, we already had email proof of that, this just elucidates the already known.

As always, mixing with the corrupt, the liars, the blowhards does not help our cause. All you miscenegators, you anonymous comment-queers, are the most pathetic things in the world. You won't use your real name -- ooh, there might be consequences -- but you want to use your little sword and dragon playtime names and avatars. And when they're taken away, you cry like a two-year-old. And when you're told not to mix our noble cause with self-serving patriotardic blowhards or self-regarding conservative career girls, you cry again.

Do me a favor, you Hal fans, and you conservative fans. Get out of here. I don't want you here. You don't help our cause at all, you hurt it.

No, it doesn't serve him right because he didn't say anything illegal.

Don't let that fact get lost in the hubbub.

Hal Turner said NOTHING illegal. He knew the legal limits of free speech better than anybody, and he stayed on the legal side of the line. As did Bill White.

I defend both of their free speech, and I am outraged by these cheapjack prosecutors who think they can follow the law only when it suits their interests.

I think Turners case is different from Whites. Bill White posted the name, home address and phone number of a juror who helped convict Matt Hale of "soliciting the murder" of a federal judge. However, White did not directly propose violence against the Chicago juror. He simply posted an address and phone number. Even a first year law student could see that this falls under the 1st Amendment, hence the dismissal of charges against White by the feds.They simply had no case and they knew it.

Hal on the other took it a step further. He posted the work addresses of three federal judges as well as their photos with a note that home addresses would follow. Also included was a map of Chicago’s federal courthouse highlighting its “anti-truck-bomb” pylons. Then he said, "Let me be the first to say this plainly. These judges deserve to be killed".

That's a little more serious and may or may not fall under the 1st Amendment. Imo it's still free speech but the feds and a jury might see it different. That may be the reason why Hal's trying to weasel his way out of it by admitting to being at one time or another a federal informant. He's worried so he's saying..."hey guys, I was only kidding, didn't I work for you a couple years ago ratting out people you don't like"?

Hals in deeper shit than White was.

We have to stop being so gullible, folks.
This is hardly the first time that this has happened.

Just like David Gletty, Hal Turner is a rat and traitor:
YouTube - White Nationalist Infiltrator - David Gletty :mad:
AUDIO: Radio Interview with Hal Turner's Lawyer

Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98940



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Thanks for the amazing link:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TheNewsGuy/2009/08/09/Debeut-Show

If you haven't listened to this interview with Hal Turner's attorney, please check it out. He says he believes Hal was an agent provocateur:

Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.

An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime under conditions where evidence can be obtained; or who suggests the commission of a crime to another, in hopes they will go along with the suggestion and be convicted of the crime.

A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain—or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent (see Red-baiting).

Historically, labor spies, hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, or subvert union activities, have used agent provocateur tactics.

Agent provocateur activities raise ethical and legal issues. In common law jurisdictions, the legal concept of entrapment may apply if the main impetus for the crime was the provocateur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Among the questions Hal's attorney refused to answer:

Was Hal working with "anti-racist" groups?

What organized pro-White groups did Hal target?

I wonder what Artie Wheeler has to say about all this because he was arrested a few years back on some nonsensical "conspiracy" charge? You can really imagine the sense of betrayal his followers must feel. I personally am a horrible judge of character but even I knew that Turner was trouble for years.

Was Hal just turning over the names over to ALL his supporters, or just the ones potentially plotting illegal acts?

It's funny how the family is begging for money now.

Hal used to brag about having his home and cars paid off and all this money in investments - you wonder how much it was from his show plus being an informant - was it five grand a month for the radio show, another grand that the feds were paying him plus whatever he earned from his day job?

Either way, let him rot in jail, the scumbag, crook, scam artist, informant that he is.

Looking over the run of WN "leaders" or whatever you want to call them, Alex Linder really looks like the only real deal out there. Black and Duke have their problems, then there are the informants, the Hal Turners, etc.

Note to self: grandstanding, spotlighting "leaders" are not to be trusted.

Looking over the run of WN "leaders" or whatever you want to call them, Alex Linder really looks like the only real deal out there. Black and Duke have their problems, then there are the informants, the Hal Turners, etc.

Note to self: grandstanding, spotlighting "leaders" are not to be trusted.

look to the academics like kevin macdonald. I don't think the movement (14 words) is mature enough yet for leaders to evolve. for one thing no one can agree on anything but the vaguest outlines of the movement.

look to the academics like kevin macdonald. I don't think the movement (14 words) is mature enough yet for leaders to evolve. for one thing no one can agree on anything but the vaguest outlines of the movement.

Wow. George, that's the best post I have seen you put on this site yet.

I like MacDonald. He did really well in Line In The Sand, as did Alex Linder, even though his appearance was short in the documentary.

:D:D:DWelcome, fake-newbie dumbass, it's not the prosecutors saying it, it's his own people.

Ya stupid fuck.


Yes, resort to insults like a jew, ignore my post. It doesn't really matter. "Fake-newbie, anonym, dumbass, queer, blah blah blah". I expected more from someone so important to this "movement". Seems to me, this "movement" is pretty fucking stagnant. I think few would argue against this. The sobering fact is...a fucking F.B.I. informant, for Christ's sake, accomplished more in the last 5 years for the "movement" than anyone else that I can think of. Pretty pathetic to say the least. That should be the lesson out of all this, and should really be addressed because we aren't winning. In fact, we're going down pretty damn fast. But perhaps you can give rise to our Aryan political party and get the ball rolling once again. There is still faith. Good luck!

Yes, resort to insults like a jew, ignore my post. It doesn't really matter. "Fake-newbie, anonym, dumbass, queer, blah blah blah". I expected more from someone so important to this "movement". Seems to me, this "movement" is pretty fucking stagnant. I think few would argue against this. The sobering fact is...a fucking F.B.I. informant, for Christ's sake, accomplished more in the last 5 years for the "movement" than anyone else that I can think of.

What did he accomplish? His career was one blunder after another. How many times did he retire while whining like a petulant child after his Jim and Tammy Bakker act failed to bring in enough money to pay for his valuable time? And now to cap it off he's betrayed by the feds he sold us out to.

Until I can speak with Hal I will not form a view one way or the other. Call it misguided loyalty if you wish.

Hal most certainly works with the FEDs and many of us Americans that aired on TRN have been continually dealing with his snake handlers since June.

Take a bit of friendly advice and distance yourself from Hal before he drags you down with him.

No, it doesn't serve him right because he didn't say anything illegal.

Don't let that fact get lost in the hubbub.

Hal Turner said NOTHING illegal. He knew the legal limits of free speech better than anybody, and he stayed on the legal side of the line. As did Bill White.

I defend both of their free speech, and I am outraged by these cheapjack prosecutors who think they can follow the law only when it suits their interests.

As for Hal's working for the FBI, well, we already had email proof of that, this just elucidates the already known.

As always, mixing with the corrupt, the liars, the blowhards does not help our cause. All you miscenegators, you anonymous comment-queers, are the most pathetic things in the world. You won't use your real name -- ooh, there might be consequences -- but you want to use your little sword and dragon playtime names and avatars. And when they're taken away, you cry like a two-year-old. And when you're told not to mix our noble cause with self-serving patriotardic blowhards or self-regarding conservative career girls, you cry again.

Do me a favor, you Hal fans, and you conservative fans. Get out of here. I don't want you here. You don't help our cause at all, you hurt it.



Don't know if you missed this Marshall, but shouldn't Hal's User id be banned?:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=478273&postcount=343


And not to toot my own horn, but I told that asshole to go fuck himself and his mother here in late 2006.

Hal most certainly works with the FEDs and many of us Americans that aired on TRN have been continually dealing with his snake handlers since June.

Take a bit of friendly advice and distance yourself from Hal before he drags you down with him.

I bet I could pick up that Sig Sauer he pointed at me in Knoxville for next to nothing. On second thought ...

Thanks for the amazing link:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TheNewsGuy/2009/08/09/Debeut-Show

If you haven't listened to this interview with Hal Turner's attorney, please check it out. He says he believes Hal was an agent provocateur:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Among the questions Hal's attorney refused to answer:

Was Hal working with "anti-racist" groups?

What organized pro-White groups did Hal target?

I wonder what Artie Wheeler has to say about all this because he was arrested a few years back on some nonsensical "conspiracy" charge? You can really imagine the sense of betrayal his followers must feel. I personally am a horrible judge of character but even I knew that Turner was trouble for years.

Was Hal just turning over the names over to ALL his supporters, or just the ones potentially plotting illegal acts?

It's funny how the family is begging for money now.

Hal used to brag about having his home and cars paid off and all this money in investments - you wonder how much it was from his show plus being an informant - was it five grand a month for the radio show, another grand that the feds were paying him plus whatever he earned from his day job?

Either way, let him rot in jail, the scumbag, crook, scam artist, informant that he is.

The amount of damage that he has done to this movement cannot be measured. He's as a bad as any jew. How many years did that show go on for? I know I mentioned it previously, but how many hundreds if not thousands of dollars did Yankee Jim alone send him?

The amount of damage that he has done to this movement cannot be measured. He's as a bad as any jew. How many years did that show go on for? I know I mentioned it previously, but how many hundreds if not thousands of dollars did Yankee Jim alone send him?

Hal suckered a bunch of Rope Bunnies. Big deal. Much of WN is the same dumb, rural, poor Southron/Midwestern idiots who'd fall for Baptism or some other Venus idiottrap if not some yawping Feebster. News flash: you can't make retard whites smart any more than you can educate niggers. What is it that comedian says? Stupid aint got no cure.

If you can't tell Hal was lying about his monthly costs - you're stupid.

If you can't tell that people who beat you up to send them money probably care more about money than the cause, or anything else - you're stupid.

If you've read around at all, you know the tendency is for cause to become business to become racket.

Poor Whites. On the upper levels they have raisers of fingers, remonstrators, conservative-fawners, plagiarists, and anonymous kibitzers. On the lower levels they have honking Klan retards, Rope Bunnies, and bucketfuls of natural-born illiterate mouth-breathing suckers.

Where are the folks with ego under control? The literate? The determined? The cautious and the bold? The careful and the daring? The fanatics under control? The punctilious zealots?

Hal suckered a bunch of Rope Bunnies. Big deal. Much of WN is the same dumb, rural, poor Southron/Midwestern idiots who'd fall for Baptism or some other Venus idiottrap if not some yawping Feebster. News flash: you can't make retard whites smart any more than you can educate niggers. What is it that comedian says? Stupid aint got no cure.

If you can't tell Hal was lying about his monthly costs - you're stupid.

If you can't tell that people who beat you up to send them money probably care more about money than the cause, or anything else - you're stupid.

If you've read around at all, you know the tendency is for cause to become business to become racket.

Poor Whites. On the upper levels they have raisers of fingers, remonstrators, conservative-fawners, plagiarists, and anonymous kibitzers. On the lower levels they have honking Klan retards, Rope Bunnies, and bucketfuls of natural-born illiterate mouth-breathing suckers.

[B]Where are the folks with ego under control? The literate? The determined? The cautious and the bold? The careful and the daring? The fanatics under control? The punctilious zealots?

The fact that we are still the majority in this country, yet we are getting our heads handed to us by a small percentage of kikes proves your point.


If you go back to the 4chan thread from late 06, you'll see I had very few supporters when I told him go fuck himself.

Glad I never sent shekels to that Jew lackster.

Hal suckered a bunch of Rope Bunnies.

Dumb question: What are rope bunnies?

I know the term "Buckle Bunnies". Those women that hang around rodeo cowboys like groupies.

So maybe it means some sort of groupie.

Dumb question: What are rope bunnies?

Whites who buhlieve in the Day of the Rope the way Baptist retards, to be redundant, believe in Day of the Rapture.

Dumb question: What are rope bunnies?
http://abc.eznettools.net/cgi-bin/ThumbGen.cgi?location=D300003%2FX381910%2Fimages%2Fcatalog%2FHB%20rope%20bunny.bmp;width=200;height=200;pos=center;type=local
Rope Bunny (http://abc.eznettools.net/ez-catalog/X381910/3/HB208)

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Bunny measures 8".

Note: Parts of this product are made outside of the USA.
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Hal is going to need one of these where he's at. Don't drop it.

Rabbit soap on a roap.
http://s2.thisnext.com/media/400x400/Rabbit-Soap-on-a-Rope_02777834.jpg

http://www.thisnext.com/show/item-images/9FE59389/

Whites who buhlieve in the Day of the Rope the way Baptist retards, to be redundant, believe in Day of the Rapture.

Ah, I figured it was something like that but wasn't sure. I goo goo dat "rope bunny" shit before I asked the question and up popped some websites that featured women who like to be tied up. I was pretty sure that wasn't what you were getting at. :D

If you go back to the 4chan thread from late 06, you'll see I had very few supporters when I told him go fuck himself.

Yep. Well, he had plenty of chances to prove himself.

One giant problem with our movement, and a problem which is never discussed, is that too many on our side have internalized the enemy's view of our cause and themselves. That we are engaged in something dirty and dishonorable, and we deserve to be found out and punished.

This mentality, which is probably not even self-aware, comes out of the woodwork when something like the Hal affair emerges, and make all kinds of extenuations for him.

I've done every formal thing I can, or at least that I can think of, to drive off the fantasists. Go be losers somewhere else.

Ah, I figured it was something like that but wasn't sure. I goo goo dat "rope bunny" shit before I asked the question and up popped some websites that featured women who like to be tied up. I was pretty sure that wasn't what you were getting at. :D

No, it's just a twist on Rapture Bunny. Figured it would be obvious, as usual I was wrong.

No, it's just a twist on Rapture Bunny. Figured it would be obvious, as usual I was wrong.

I'm a little slow sometimes. Must be Alzheimers setting in.

I thought it meant rope-a-dope, the fighting style of cassius clay.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n215/restainer/---------CassiusClay.jpg

True. But how about his own wife? How about his own mother? This is what they posted on their website on 08/01.

http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/




Even after admitting that their husband/son was betraying his race, they still have the nerve to continue begging for money. He taught them very well.

Even being conservative, I would say he netted $3k a month out of that website pretty much the entire time he was on the air. I know there were many months he got 4 or even five grand in donations (this for one night a week for 3 hours or so). Figure he averaged $36k a year for 8 years, what the fuck happened to all that cash? That's $300k.

Even being conservative, I would say he netted $3k a month out of that website pretty much the entire time he was on the air. I know there were many months he got 4 or even five grand in donations (this for one night a week for 3 hours or so). Figure he averaged $36k a year for 8 years, what the fuck happened to all that cash? That's $300k.

You forgot to factor in the dough the feds gave Hal for snitching on people. Seems Turner had a nice little gig going. Radio show making thousands per month catering to WN's and then turning those same WN's over to the feds for even more money.

Oh well, all good things must come to an end I suppose.