Our cause - our ideas and our general case - has made headway, thanks to the Internet. However, no organization has developed providing plausible leadership or outlet for members to channel their skills and money. Why is this?

In large measure the answer is loyalty. The pseudos, Reps. and Dems., conservatives and liberals, don't face pressure like White Nationalists do. WNism is hated by the government because WN's entire "thing" is that the government is essentially and necessarily anti-White, hence illegitimate. The government can't allow that idea to spread very far or its existence is endangered.

Necessarily, those getting involved legally in white nationalist politics are under legal pressure equivalent to the illegal cadres of the mafia criminals.

I was watching a show on the mafia today. Interviewed mafiosos agreed that today's Italian mafia is a shadow of itself because the culture changed. Instead of living by the code of honor, loyalty, and secrecy, today's made man is interested only in money. So when the pressure comes down from the feds - and the pressure is increased due to the flashiness and publicity-seeking of the new mafioso, another negative mafia cultural change - the pressured man rats out his colleagues.

Without the technical capacity to resist subversion, WN can get nowhere, since it faces nearly unique political-legal harassment - a point that is totally ignored by conservative-kibitzer know-better critics of the movement. Yet without moral reliability as substrate, technical capacity isn't even worth worrying about.

We need our own code, and we need men who will live by it.

Otherwise WN is just a set of beliefs. No matter how correct those beliefs are, their correctness has nothing to do with viable political organizing.

Without a moral code and men willing to live by and die by it, we will get endless Hal Turners, supported by legions of anonymous dupes and fantasists. The HTs of the world believe, in their soul, that we cannot win. Perceiving this, some of the bolder serve the lessers with the blowharding and the fantasy that are attractive to a good number of people irritated with the current System and Establishment. But nothing in the culture of online-anonymous-blowharding-fractiousness serves the WN cause.

There is no cure until there are cadres of Caucasians living by a code.

The correct culture for WN, in the online world, should strive to eliminate anonymity as much as possible. To collect and order fundamentally moral, honest, determined and serious men. Anyone not willing to speak under his real name should be given -- should give himself -- less verbal room when it comes to insults and loose comments.

We can win. Anyone who does not believe this should realize this and leave our online ranks. Anyone operating an online site is morally obliged, if he seeks to advance our cause, to fight against both the fantasy element and the cheap, easy blowhardism found in too many quarters.

Let's conclude with this home truth: without a code and men to live by it, we don't have a basis for our fight, just a lot of intellectual points that discharge harmlessly, like guns fired into the air.

Alex,

I hope it's OK for me to post on this thread. I know you are locking some of them. If it's not OK, I'm fine if you delete this post.

My social network operates on the code of the 14 words, and the rest is implicit based on our common middle classness. In practice, I am not able to get anything done with people following the "working class" way of life. Middle classness is about having initiative, about being a self-starter. This is very important, because without it, it's all just talk and chit-chat.

If you want to write up a code, please do. I'll be interested to read it and possibly adopting it. European-Americans United has a code of ethics, and is all about being "an ethics based organization."

It's quite true that we get the Al Capone treatment. This is terribly unfair, but the bright side is that it's the last thing left that is true rebellion. Tattoos, drugs, group sex, homosex, race-mixing -- that's all common as dirt nowadays. There's nothing chic or cache about these deathstyles. The only real rebellion left is being a White nationalist with a more or less conventional, old fashioned way of life.

The title of your thread is asking why the WN movement has not made progress. I can answer that. It's a boring old answer, a simple answer, but the fact of it has not changed.

White nationalism has not made progress because the surplus wealth of society goes into mitigating and even rewarding the death-styles of race-mixing and selling out one's community. The surplus wealth of society is funding our destruction. The only hope I see is when there is no more of this surplus wealth to fund our destruction.

Alex,

I hope it's OK for me to post on this thread. I know you are locking some of them. If it's not OK, I'm fine if you delete this post.

Yes, it's fine to post. I will always mention the locking up front in the rare case I do that. The default is post-away.


My social network operates on the code of the 14 words,

That's not a code, it's a mission statement. The code deals with how we treat those who are "us." That's a thing apart from our mission, whatever it is. What I'm saying is even an "us" overtly based on pursuit of criminal activities needs a solid moral code for its members or it can't stand up to external pressure and crumbles into every man for himself.


and the rest is implicit based on our common middle classness. In practice, I am not able to get anything done with people following the "working class" way of life. Middle classness is about having initiative, about being a self-starter. This is very important, because without it, it's all just talk and chit-chat.

If you want to write up a code, please do. I'll be interested to read it and possibly adopting it. European-Americans United has a code of ethics, and is all about being "an ethics based organization."

Well, I don't know that it needs to be written, and if does need to be written, it should be something short and really rather obvious. The point is not that there's some new thing to be discovered, but that the simple basics need to be understood, underlined and enforced. In a word, WN must be loyal. Although loyalty and its demands would seem evident, perhaps we could benefit from a laying out of its particulars with regard to the online world, since we don't even have organizations in the real world, as far as I can tell. What does loyalty mean in the online context? I'll write that up in an essay to come.


It's quite true that we get the Al Capone treatment. This is terribly unfair, but the bright side is that it's the last thing left that is true rebellion.

I agree. Our job is to get some of the bright young kids before the jews pervert their natural idealism into jew-corporate-safe-n-profitable self-destructions.


Tattoos, drugs, group sex, homosex, race-mixing -- that's all common as dirt nowadays. There's nothing chic or cache about these deathstyles. The only real rebellion left is being a White nationalist with a more or less conventional, old fashioned way of life.

Yes - the one good line from the Bible applies: there's nothing new under the sun. Whites must be taught that being naive is not a virtue, neither is assuming the best in the other guy. Whites must be taught that sophistication is a virtue, whereas stupidity and gullibility are not.


The title of your thread is asking why the WN movement has not made progress. I can answer that. It's a boring old answer, a simple answer, but the fact of it has not changed.

White nationalism has not made progress because the surplus wealth of society goes into mitigating and even rewarding the death-styles of race-mixing and selling out one's community. The surplus wealth of society is funding our destruction. The only hope I see is when there is no more of this surplus wealth to fund our destruction.

I don't think that's the main factor, at least not with regard to developing a core group. It's certainly a factor in preventing mass numbers from joining us during fat times.

OK, I'll try one more. I notice a lot of infighting in groups that get going.

I think the infighting is because of small families and lack of community. White Americans aren't raised learning how to share and cooperate. They are too thin-skinned and not sufficiently focused on the higher purpose. So they get easily offended at each other at the first sign of conflict and the group breaks up before it gets off the ground.

I have had those moments where that could have happened in my little social network, but I had the social competence to swallow a bit of pride in the interest of smoothing over the inchoate conflict.

OK, I'll try one more. I notice a lot of infighting in groups that get going.

I think the infighting is because of small families and lack of community. White Americans aren't raised learning how to share and cooperate. They are too thin-skinned and not sufficiently focused on the higher purpose. So they get easily offended at each other at the first sign of conflict and the group breaks up before it gets off the ground.

I have had those moments where that could have happened in my little social network, but I had the social competence to swallow a bit of pride in the interest of smoothing over the inchoate conflict.

I've been guilty of "pisshead-itis" on this site and regret it as thin-skinned and immature like you said. I guess this working in groups thing doesn't always come naturally. One bad exchange or off-colour remark needn't set off feuds or disruption and it's just what our enemies want - endless shit stirring so nothing gets done.

We're our own worst enemy. Whitey's individualism cuts both ways.

Have essays #1 and 2 been posted?

The correct culture for WN, in the online world, should strive to eliminate anonymity as much as possible. To collect and order fundamentally moral, honest, determined and serious men. Anyone not willing to speak under his real name should be given -- should give himself -- less verbal room when it comes to insults and loose comments.

Are there some circumstances where you would consider anonymity to be acceptable, such as for people who live in countries where they could be prosecuted for what they say online?

Are there some circumstances where you would consider anonymity to be acceptable, such as for people who live in countries where they could be prosecuted for what they say online?

Anonymity is acceptable. I'm saying that those who don't write under their real names need to be even more careful about posting bravado, insults and loose comments, since they are not even willing to post under their real names. That's the moral way to post on the 'Net, IF you desire to advance the White cause.

Have essays #1 and 2 been posted?

No. #1 will be about gateways. #2 - undetermined. #4 - what loyalty means in the online world.

Morality, codes, etc. are all very fine (and in fact essential) as familial values. To get anything done, they're nothing but a burden. So is ideology and a lack of anonymity.

Forget about politics and working within the system; the system is rigged against you and it will not be subverted. You can forget about violence too - going up boldly and violently against ZOG will result in said militant being squashed. The latter is certainly effective when society is falling apart, but we're a way from there, if we even get there. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that either a pandemic or some kind of geological disaster might do much of our work for us. However, this is only speculation.

Rallies and other varieties of public demonstration are great if you want to be identified by your institutional enemies and get jack shit done otherwise. These are tactics to feed one's ego and supply the enemy with ammunition. They're also a colossal waste of time and energy.

The first thing to establish - what Jews have down to an art and most whites can't guess at - is a subtext for activities, an ever-critical perspective and objectives that can be fulfilled. It's one thing to discuss matters honestly with like-minded people on forums like VNN, but you'd have to be a total idiot to actually discuss things as they are in kwanland.

Abortion is a good example. Your actual opinion of abortion, your personal views, are one thing and how you perceive the issue in public need not be the same thing. If institutionalized abortion prevents more black babies than white babies per capita, we need to be all for it - not for that reason, of course. Among kwans, we're defending the rights of women to choose. What we actually think of abortion, pro- or anti-, is irrelevant - something that should be confined to our familial relations.

Anti-Zionism is another enormous opportunity that WNs have barely exploited. As they're terrified of seeming "anti-Semitic," most kwans don't loathe - or even know much about - Israel, but most of the world despises Israel. So, we support anti-Zionist initiatives everywhere, regardless of the reason. If some bunch of Arabs or Muslim spades or nationalists or lefties anywhere have a problem with Israel - for any reason, no matter how illegitimate, though it usually isn't - we support them for those reasons, for the sake of fighting Israel's intolerance, greed and injustice, and never because we're sticking it to the heebs at the heart of their culture. See? If some shitdick parents' group goes up against a TV station for broadcasting trash and filth, we support them in the name of their precious little kwan kiddies, and not because we're hindering the spread of degenerate culture.

If this means that we work alongside Jews who don't see the big picture or mestizos or even negroes with a political or religious axe to grind, so be it. The point is, it makes us look good and them look bad. Zionism is invisible to kwans. Why? Because they keep the meaty stuff to themselves and use bullshit organizations like the ADL to spread lies and disinformation. Jews don't go out in public, spouting their detestable views and making it clear what they're about. If they did that, they wouldn't last another decade. However, WNs do just that, very stupidly, and marginalize themselves without ever gaining traction.

Just look at the 4chan /b/tards. In just a few years, these basement-dwelling slobs and dorks have dispensed more life- and career-ruining justice to whores, Jews, spades and Jew-run commercial websites than WNs ever have, all totally justifiable by the fact that their attacks are motivated by the activities of the individuals involved. And how? Through anonymity, tech-savvy and decentralized organization. They don't confront the mainstream; they work around it and have one hell of a good time while most WNs just sit and bitch about the way things are.

For those who can stomach it and have the good humor and intelligence to conduct themselves properly, there's a better, more effective and (surprisingly) easier way. The whole trick is getting started, shedding these outmoded tactics and (bear with me) working with people, some of whom aren't white. If you don't believe me, consider at the craftiest Arabs, who have put a bug up ZOG's ass in a way that most WNs could dream, and aren't above accepting aid from people who have nothing in common with them. With our tongues firmly in cheeks, we could be distorting kwan and subhuman perspectives and turning them against the enemy without ever once saying the word "Jew," all the while laughing at the lot of them.

Or WN can continue the way it always has and die a quiet death not too many years from now, a symbol of abject failure.

If your looking for answers then you wont find any with WN.

Sit tight, and you'll see what I mean.

Abortion is a good example. Your actual opinion of abortion, your personal views, are one thing and how you perceive the issue in public need not be the same thing. If institutionalized abortion prevents more black babies than white babies per capita, we need to be all for it - not for that reason, of course. Among kwans, we're defending the rights of women to choose. What we actually think of abortion, pro- or anti-, is irrelevant - something that should be confined to our familial relations.


I'm not sure I follow you, Luis. Are you saying that the proper way to work in the mainstream is by adopting mainstream arguments and positions that help WN as a result but don't do anything to make more whites understand our racial interests?

That sounds to me like those types that used to talk about state rights, or by arguing against affirmative action by claiming that there should be no discrimination.

The WN-conservative types have been trying to do that for years and decades and it hasn't gone anywhere.

I'm not sure I follow you, Luis. Are you saying that the proper way to work in the mainstream is by adopting mainstream arguments and positions that help WN as a result but don't do anything to make more whites understand our racial interests?

Exploitation and adoption of mainstream arguments are two different things. If it's useful to do so, exploiting a popular argument that'll hinder our enemies is of use.
As for understanding racial interests - the only thing that will break kwans out of their stupid shells is an intrusion on their comfort zone. I'd much rather exploit such an intrusion as committed by spades or mexis than contribute to or perpetuate it.

That sounds to me like those types that used to talk about state rights, or by arguing against affirmative action by claiming that there should be no discrimination.

I wouldn't argue in support of any governmental body, nor would I attempt to fight AA when the fight is already lost. I'd much rather convince parents of what a useless, expensive waste of time American academic institutions are, in a context that they're prepared to agree with. That's where the fight is won.

The WN-conservative types have been trying to do that for years and decades and it hasn't gone anywhere.

How, by participating in regional and state politics? Through the Republican party? Of course it doesn't work, because they're working in a system that won't have any part of them. The trick is to shed ideology and be an opportunist. Find a way to reach a large number of (mostly stupid and/or gullible) people and exploit them.

Morality, codes, etc. are all very fine (and in fact essential) as familial values. To get anything done, they're nothing but a burden. So is ideology and a lack of anonymity.

Forget about politics and working within the system; the system is rigged against you and it will not be subverted. You can forget about violence too - going up boldly and violently against ZOG will result in said militant being squashed. The latter is certainly effective when society is falling apart, but we're a way from there, if we even get there. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that either a pandemic or some kind of geological disaster might do much of our work for us. However, this is only speculation.

Rallies and other varieties of public demonstration are great if you want to be identified by your institutional enemies and get jack shit done otherwise. These are tactics to feed one's ego and supply the enemy with ammunition. They're also a colossal waste of time and energy.

The first thing to establish - what Jews have down to an art and most whites can't guess at - is a subtext for activities, an ever-critical perspective and objectives that can be fulfilled. It's one thing to discuss matters honestly with like-minded people on forums like VNN, but you'd have to be a total idiot to actually discuss things as they are in kwanland.

Abortion is a good example. Your actual opinion of abortion, your personal views, are one thing and how you perceive the issue in public need not be the same thing. If institutionalized abortion prevents more black babies than white babies per capita, we need to be all for it - not for that reason, of course. Among kwans, we're defending the rights of women to choose. What we actually think of abortion, pro- or anti-, is irrelevant - something that should be confined to our familial relations.

Anti-Zionism is another enormous opportunity that WNs have barely exploited. As they're terrified of seeming "anti-Semitic," most kwans don't loathe - or even know much about - Israel, but most of the world despises Israel. So, we support anti-Zionist initiatives everywhere, regardless of the reason. If some bunch of Arabs or Muslim spades or nationalists or lefties anywhere have a problem with Israel - for any reason, no matter how illegitimate, though it usually isn't - we support them for those reasons, for the sake of fighting Israel's intolerance, greed and injustice, and never because we're sticking it to the heebs at the heart of their culture. See? If some shitdick parents' group goes up against a TV station for broadcasting trash and filth, we support them in the name of their precious little kwan kiddies, and not because we're hindering the spread of degenerate culture.

If this means that we work alongside Jews who don't see the big picture or mestizos or even negroes with a political or religious axe to grind, so be it. The point is, it makes us look good and them look bad. Zionism is invisible to kwans. Why? Because they keep the meaty stuff to themselves and use bullshit organizations like the ADL to spread lies and disinformation. Jews don't go out in public, spouting their detestable views and making it clear what they're about. If they did that, they wouldn't last another decade. However, WNs do just that, very stupidly, and marginalize themselves without ever gaining traction.

Just look at the 4chan /b/tards. In just a few years, these basement-dwelling slobs and dorks have dispensed more life- and career-ruining justice to whores, Jews, spades and Jew-run commercial websites than WNs ever have, all totally justifiable by the fact that their attacks are motivated by the activities of the individuals involved. And how? Through anonymity, tech-savvy and decentralized organization. They don't confront the mainstream; they work around it and have one hell of a good time while most WNs just sit and bitch about the way things are.

For those who can stomach it and have the good humor and intelligence to conduct themselves properly, there's a better, more effective and (surprisingly) easier way. The whole trick is getting started, shedding these outmoded tactics and (bear with me) working with people, some of whom aren't white. If you don't believe me, consider at the craftiest Arabs, who have put a bug up ZOG's ass in a way that most WNs could dream, and aren't above accepting aid from people who have nothing in common with them. With our tongues firmly in cheeks, we could be distorting kwan and subhuman perspectives and turning them against the enemy without ever once saying the word "Jew," all the while laughing at the lot of them.

Or WN can continue the way it always has and die a quiet death not too many years from now, a symbol of abject failure.

So, WN's shouldn't hold rally's, shouldn't talk about abortion, forget about violence, work along side jews, spicks and nigs "who don't see the big picture" and mimic the 4chan hacker guys through anonymity and decentralized organization?

Is that what you are saying?

Jeezus, talk about a recipe for fail.

I think the infighting is because of small families and lack of community. White Americans aren't raised learning how to share and cooperate. They are too thin-skinned and not sufficiently focused on the higher purpose. So they get easily offended at each other at the first sign of conflict and the group breaks up before it gets off the ground.


Right. And WN's didn't need the likes of Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam to tell us that diversity undermines civic engagement and breeds distrust--even among one's own kind. Diversity/Multicult creates a mindset of fear and prevents the practice of pretty much all of the virtues (especially Roman virtues which are all about one's relation to the tribe/society). Lack of community and alienation in the modern world is the problem, and we are not immune to this situation.

Then again, Nietzsche said: When virtue has slept, it will arise all the more vigorous.

So, WN's shouldn't hold rally's,

You know what? WNs should do whatever they want to do. If they want to be clearly identified by ZOG's domestic foot soldiers while flexing their egos for attention, they're entitled to do so.

shouldn't talk about abortion,

That's...the exact opposite of what I'm saying. Did you read my post or just skim over it?

forget about violence,

Except in a context of self-defense, yes. If you want to be beaten by the cops and thrown into prison, offensive violence is a great way to achieve that. There's no way to face ZOG violently and prevail in the present circumstances.

work along side jews, spicks and nigs "who don't see the big picture"

If it helps to undermine ZOG, absolutely. I'd never limit my potential allies to my own kind when it's so much more useful to turn people against one another.

and mimic the 4chan hacker guys through anonymity and decentralized organization?

I didn't suggest we should mimic them; I think we should learn from what they can get away with through anonymity and decentralized organization.

Is that what you are saying?

Jeezus, talk about a recipe for fail.

Should you attend a rally, I do hope you have fun there.

Has anyone been really hammering home the quality-of-life angle in WN? This issue pertains to all classes--living in a gated community doesn't protect you from the angst and malaise brought on by being denied natural ethnic communities.

People are happier and less stressed when they live in a homogeneous society. People are more active in the society because they are able to develop real bonds and connections with those of the same ethnicity and race. Do modern people realize they are being deprived of the organic environment in which they can become fully human? People are not motivated to become virtuous, something which benefits them as individuals, as well as the community.

I've never studied philosophy, but I do know that the ancient Greeks stated that to be happy--every man's goal--one has to practice virtue in accordance with nature/reason. If people can't or won't develop virtue, they will be miserable drones living empty lives. So, this is a quality of life angle which encompasses more than issues like crime, tax burden, etc.

It's also a moral issue. Being forced to live half-lives by the state is immoral.

Morality, codes, etc. are all very fine (and in fact essential) as familial values. To get anything done, they're nothing but a burden. So is ideology and a lack of anonymity.

Forget about politics and working within the system; the system is rigged against you and it will not be subverted. You can forget about violence too - going up boldly and violently against ZOG will result in said militant being squashed. The latter is certainly effective when society is falling apart, but we're a way from there, if we even get there. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that either a pandemic or some kind of geological disaster might do much of our work for us. However, this is only speculation.

Rallies and other varieties of public demonstration are great if you want to be identified by your institutional enemies and get jack shit done otherwise. These are tactics to feed one's ego and supply the enemy with ammunition. They're also a colossal waste of time and energy.

The first thing to establish - what Jews have down to an art and most whites can't guess at - is a subtext for activities, an ever-critical perspective and objectives that can be fulfilled. It's one thing to discuss matters honestly with like-minded people on forums like VNN, but you'd have to be a total idiot to actually discuss things as they are in kwanland.

Abortion is a good example. Your actual opinion of abortion, your personal views, are one thing and how you perceive the issue in public need not be the same thing. If institutionalized abortion prevents more black babies than white babies per capita, we need to be all for it - not for that reason, of course. Among kwans, we're defending the rights of women to choose. What we actually think of abortion, pro- or anti-, is irrelevant - something that should be confined to our familial relations.

Anti-Zionism is another enormous opportunity that WNs have barely exploited. As they're terrified of seeming "anti-Semitic," most kwans don't loathe - or even know much about - Israel, but most of the world despises Israel. So, we support anti-Zionist initiatives everywhere, regardless of the reason. If some bunch of Arabs or Muslim spades or nationalists or lefties anywhere have a problem with Israel - for any reason, no matter how illegitimate, though it usually isn't - we support them for those reasons, for the sake of fighting Israel's intolerance, greed and injustice, and never because we're sticking it to the heebs at the heart of their culture. See? If some shitdick parents' group goes up against a TV station for broadcasting trash and filth, we support them in the name of their precious little kwan kiddies, and not because we're hindering the spread of degenerate culture.

If this means that we work alongside Jews who don't see the big picture or mestizos or even negroes with a political or religious axe to grind, so be it. The point is, it makes us look good and them look bad. Zionism is invisible to kwans. Why? Because they keep the meaty stuff to themselves and use bullshit organizations like the ADL to spread lies and disinformation. Jews don't go out in public, spouting their detestable views and making it clear what they're about. If they did that, they wouldn't last another decade. However, WNs do just that, very stupidly, and marginalize themselves without ever gaining traction.

Just look at the 4chan /b/tards. In just a few years, these basement-dwelling slobs and dorks have dispensed more life- and career-ruining justice to whores, Jews, spades and Jew-run commercial websites than WNs ever have, all totally justifiable by the fact that their attacks are motivated by the activities of the individuals involved. And how? Through anonymity, tech-savvy and decentralized organization. They don't confront the mainstream; they work around it and have one hell of a good time while most WNs just sit and bitch about the way things are.

For those who can stomach it and have the good humor and intelligence to conduct themselves properly, there's a better, more effective and (surprisingly) easier way. The whole trick is getting started, shedding these outmoded tactics and (bear with me) working with people, some of whom aren't white. If you don't believe me, consider at the craftiest Arabs, who have put a bug up ZOG's ass in a way that most WNs could dream, and aren't above accepting aid from people who have nothing in common with them. With our tongues firmly in cheeks, we could be distorting kwan and subhuman perspectives and turning them against the enemy without ever once saying the word "Jew," all the while laughing at the lot of them.

Or WN can continue the way it always has and die a quiet death not too many years from now, a symbol of abject failure.

You are right. In certain circumstances manipulation, opportunism, and subterfuge are very effective. For us especially because we're on the world's shit list with our beliefs. Many whites think that this way of operating couldn't suit them because it's "Jewy." But I think some whites should try it - they might be better at it than they think. History is full of examples of cunning and sly white gentiles and some of us, I'd venture to say, might beat the Jews at their own game.

Food for thought at least.

Our cause - our ideas and our general case - has made headway, thanks to the Internet. However, no organization has developed providing plausible leadership or outlet for members to channel their skills and money. Why is this?

No offence Alex, but maybe it's down to the 'cause' people are following.

"but maybe its because of the 'cause' your following."

but maybe it's because of the 'cause' you're following.

It is you are

"but maybe its because of the 'cause' your following."

but maybe it's because of the 'cause' you're following.

It is you are

How about 'people are following' ?

I think WN's should state openly exactly what they're for and not try to fly under the radar.

You know what? WNs should do whatever they want to do. If they want to be clearly identified by ZOG's domestic foot soldiers while flexing their egos for attention, they're entitled to do so.

Doesn't refusing to show one's face indicate that we fear the enemy? Is telling an enemy that you fear him a good idea?

Anonymity is acceptable. I'm saying that those who don't write under their real names need to be even more careful about posting bravado, insults and loose comments, since they are not even willing to post under their real names. That's the moral way to post on the 'Net, IF you desire to advance the White cause.

A good rule of thumb if you're posting anonymously is to not say anything you wouldn't be willing to say under your own name, and to stick to the same handle.

A good rule of thumb if you're posting anonymously is to not say anything you wouldn't be willing to say under your own name, and to stick to the same handle.

Why is that a good rule of thumb? This is the net, a wild frontier where people can be free (to some degree). If people can't formulate their own ideas and figure out what convictions to hold, they're kind of slow. At the same time, communicating on a board such as this, can be a learning experience for everyone and hopefully fosters change and growth. Basically, the net reveals human nature, in its capacity for depravity as well as nobility. And sometimes it reveals this in the same person all in one day!

Depravity + Nobility = Depravity.

I think WN's should state openly exactly what they're for and not try to fly under the radar.

I'm for peace and love with my fellow white brothers and sisters. but I never get any peace or love from WN's. all I get is scorn.

Has anyone been really hammering home the quality-of-life angle in WN? This issue pertains to all classes--living in a gated community doesn't protect you from the angst and malaise brought on by being denied natural ethnic communities.

People are happier and less stressed when they live in a homogeneous society. People are more active in the society because they are able to develop real bonds and connections with those of the same ethnicity and race. Do modern people realize they are being deprived of the organic environment in which they can become fully human? People are not motivated to become virtuous, something which benefits them as individuals, as well as the community.


One of the worst, maybe the worst, problems we face is that many white people still live in white communities. Their immediate neighbors are all white so their quality of life is still good enough. In other words white flight worked. White people whose material standard of living is still (even taking into account eroding wages, high taxes and the cost of keeping your family segregated from non-whites) extremely high make poor recruits for political radicalism. Especially when joining our cause can drastically reduce one's material standard of living.

Why is that a good rule of thumb?

It's a good rule of thumb for those who want to behave honorably and honestly on the net; for those who take what they do online seriously as opposed to just viewing it as entertainment.

I have a love/hate regard for online anonymity and see where Alex is coming from. People take an awful lot of liberties that they wouldn't otherwise when they're posting anonymously with a throwaway account.

I don't have a problem with trolling and sockpuppeting if you're doing it to our enemies, though.

I'm for peace and love with my fellow white brothers and sisters. but I never get any peace or love from WN's. all I get is scorn.

Fuck off, faggot.

Peter Kramer is right. Most people only do what they have to do, and not a whit more.

Why our cause isn't taking off is because the frog doesn't feel the need to jump out of the pot.

What I am doing is preparing myself and my social circle for leadership in hard times. I save glass bottles and will be able to provide potable water. I won't be able to "feed the world," but my family and my comrades won't starve. I have made connections with local community leaders and local farmers without revealing my political views.

My social network is totally on board with the program. They all know how to act the part of the respectable middle class community organizer/leader. They don't all live locally, but I suspect that many will come here because I have more food than they do, if and when there is some kind of "national Katrina."

One last thing I recommend is "charisma training." Basically you should study Richard Bandler and Ross Jeffries. Here's a bunch of free stuff, scroll down to "eliciting values" and "patterning" because it's applicable to all people, not just picking up chix:

http://fastseduction.com/guide/

You are right. In certain circumstances manipulation, opportunism, and subterfuge are very effective. For us especially because we're on the world's shit list with our beliefs. Many whites think that this way of operating couldn't suit them because it's "Jewy." But I think some whites should try it - they might be better at it than they think. History is full of examples of cunning and sly white gentiles and some of us, I'd venture to say, might beat the Jews at their own game.

Food for thought at least.

Krystian, it's good to see you again! The hardest thing is learning how to switch from a adversarial tactics to subversive tactics, and to change our mindset along with it. Though it may be easy to forget while living in Amerikwa, Jews are on the world's shit list, too, so what do they do? They latch on to the dumbest, most powerful allies they can find and milk them for protection and funding, through subversive means. Of course, their overreach and tendency to degrade everything - including those who they're leeching off of - is always their undoing, and something else we can learn from.

Whoever he is, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. He may be my enemy tomorrow, but who would you rather have to deal with - formidable Jews or black Muslims, Mexicans with Aztlán pretensions and far-left white faggots? All of these people can be exploited to help us, while in the meantime they're compromising the foundations of a sick society that makes their existence possible.

I'm for peace and love with my fellow white brothers and sisters. but I never get any peace or love from WN's. all I get is scorn.

I think your love isn't exactly what they had in mind.

One of the worst, maybe the worst, problems we face is that many white people still live in white communities. Their immediate neighbors are all white so their quality of life is still good enough. In other words white flight worked. White people whose material standard of living is still (even taking into account eroding wages, high taxes and the cost of keeping your family segregated from non-whites) extremely high make poor recruits for political radicalism. Especially when joining our cause can drastically reduce one's material standard of living.

Young Italians in Westchester County might make for good recruits tomorrow...if approached with subtlety and tact.
This is one of many reasons why I welcome the decline of this nation's economy. When people haven't everything handed to them, they start considering harsh realities on their own terms.

I'm for peace and love with my fellow white brothers and sisters. but I never get any peace or love from WN's. all I get is scorn.The closet, George.
USE IT!

Young Italians in Westchester County might make for good recruits tomorrow...if approached with subtlety and tact.


Precisely. We have to learn charisma and how to instill confidence in people, and only gradually reveal our true beliefs. The ideal is to get others thinking that they came up with White nationalism in their own heads, rather than being persuaded by us, and this is totally possible if you know the techniques of charisma.

This is one of many reasons why I welcome the decline of this nation's economy. When people haven't everything handed to them, they start considering harsh realities on their own terms.

Good way to articulate what I've been saying for years.

One of the worst, maybe the worst, problems we face is that many white people still live in white communities. Their immediate neighbors are all white so their quality of life is still good enough. In other words white flight worked. White people whose material standard of living is still (even taking into account eroding wages, high taxes and the cost of keeping your family segregated from non-whites) extremely high make poor recruits for political radicalism. Especially when joining our cause can drastically reduce one's material standard of living.

White flight worked to some degree, but even those who've been able to avoid the multiracial hell in their immediate environment, have still been affected by the philosophy of multiculturalism. This diversity dogma affects all echelons of Whites and is basically de-spiriting, or IOW, amounts to having one's soul and natural impulses violated and stunted.

People in their gated communities also just deal with existential angst by popping anti-depressants.

It's a good rule of thumb for those who want to behave honorably and honestly on the net; for those who take what they do online seriously as opposed to just viewing it as entertainment.

I have a love/hate regard for online anonymity and see where Alex is coming from. People take an awful lot of liberties that they wouldn't otherwise when they're posting anonymously with a throwaway account.

I don't have a problem with trolling and sockpuppeting if you're doing it to our enemies, though.

People express themselves in a variety of ways on the net, with a variety of audiences in mind (or not). There is no universal code of conduct or rules of engagement, apart from each board's own set of guidelines, so it basically comes down to judging the content and style of a person's post--you may like it or disagree with it, but it's up to you.

Whether or not a person is anonymous or has several handles on several sites is irrelevant IMO. I don't see how different styles prevents meeting people in real life and forming bonds and potentially community. That just takes time and effort. One of the downsides to the net, is that it can make it easy for people to just stay isolated and comfortable online, without encouraging people to take things to another level and actually meet. But, we know that already.

Why? Because all the whites who had any killing spirit in them were killed or turned off to violence by the wars the Jew has caused.

I think that my generation (the early thirty somethings) is the best its going to get for that. We missed any real wars that had any serious casualties, have been raised on a TV diet of guns and violence and are the last generation to remember when white people actually acted for the most part....WHITE. I grew up in a town of about 2500 people and only ONE family were niggers, mulattoes no less. The younger generations are infected with nigger music and desires. The baby boomers are pussies to the extreme, and the old timers are too old to give a shit.

Yes, the more time that passes, the more the younger generations will be used to living as alienated souls.

The serious WN's have always been betrayed by fellow WN. Look at Rounder aka "Judas" and countless others. Why risk your life and freedom when your own people sell you out in a heartbeat. Anyone with a brain and money would stay far away from American WN.

White flight worked to some degree, but even those who've been able to avoid the multiracial hell in their immediate environment, have still been affected by the philosophy of multiculturalism. This diversity dogma affects all echelons of Whites and is basically de-spiriting, or IOW, amounts to having one's soul and natural impulses violated and stunted.

People in their gated communities also just deal with existential angst by popping anti-depressants.

For the jews who forced whites to flee those are fringe benefits.

Existential angst makes whites perfect prey for the jew media. Just visit any Hot Topic, you'll see.

The serious WN's have always been betrayed by fellow WN. Look at Rounder aka "Judas" and countless others. Why risk your life and freedom when your own people sell you out in a heartbeat. Anyone with a brain and money would stay far away from American WN.

That gets back to Alex's original point. When you're fighting against an entrenched system loyalty is essential. The jews know this, and they do everything they can to demoralize and corrupt us. Using their total control of the mass media they've succeeded for the most part.

Add to that the relative comfort of most whites and a third factor, the control of information, and you have a formidable obstacle course. A white man must avoid being corrupted by the jewed culture, then he must discover the truth, then he must decide it's worth risking whatever status and material goods he has accumulated by opposing the system.

Perversely, the better his character and the greater his talents the more he will have to lose, since even the jew system needs good white men to keep things from breaking down completely. To the extent that he conforms and serves his corporate and government masters he will prosper. Not as much as the jew parasites, of course, but enough to keep him contented with his lot.

On the other hand, a person with very little to offer our cause has very little to lose and is that much more likely to sign up for any organization, and show his face in public.

The result of all this is a severe shortage of good men serving the white nationalist cause.

That gets back to Alex's original point. When you're fighting against an entrenched system loyalty is essential. The jews know this, and they do everything they can to demoralize and corrupt us. Using their total control of the mass media they've succeeded for the most part.

Add to that the relative comfort of most whites and a third factor, the control of information, and you have a formidable obstacle course. A white man must avoid being corrupted by the jewed culture, then he must discover the truth, then he must decide it's worth risking whatever status and material goods he has accumulated by opposing the system.

Perversely, the better his character and the greater his talents the more he will have to lose, since even the jew system needs good white men to keep things from breaking down completely. To the extent that he conforms and serves his corporate and government masters he will prosper. Not as much as the jew parasites, of course, but enough to keep him contented with his lot.

On the other hand, a person with very little to offer our cause has very little to lose and is that much more likely to sign up for any organization, and show his face in public.

The result of all this is a severe shortage of good men serving the white nationalist cause.

Well put.

Loyalty is essential to any aboveground political organization advocating White interests. None of the technical stuff matters until that loyalty is in place.

[More on the mafia. This is snippet from Salon interview with guy who wrote book about the first mafioso to get a real mafia going in the U.S.]

You suggest in the book that Morello wasn’t attracted so much to fame as to power. He seemed to have no problem remaining private if it meant the family became successful.

Yeah, that’s really important. The downfall of the Mafia over the last few decades coincides almost exactly with the beginning of these people seeing themselves as strange celebrities and relishing fame and notoriety and power. Morello was never into any of that. He wasn’t living a life in public. The history of organized crime teaches you that once you become a high-profile target, sooner or later you’re doomed. The government may tolerate organized crime to a certain extent in local areas. You see this in gambling rackets and during the prohibition period, alcohol, things that are tolerated by society though they’re technically illegal. Once you move beyond that and you have people who are openly forcing the government to recognize them as criminals, the government has to do something. And that’s really been the downfall of the modern Mafia in the United States and, to a lesser extent, Sicily.

http://www.salon.com/books/int/2009/08/19/mike_dash_mafia/

[More on the mafia. This is snippet from Salon interview with guy who wrote book about the first mafioso to get a real mafia going in the U.S.]

You suggest in the book that Morello wasn’t attracted so much to fame as to power. He seemed to have no problem remaining private if it meant the family became successful.

Yeah, that’s really important. The downfall of the Mafia over the last few decades coincides almost exactly with the beginning of these people seeing themselves as strange celebrities and relishing fame and notoriety and power. Morello was never into any of that. He wasn’t living a life in public. The history of organized crime teaches you that once you become a high-profile target, sooner or later you’re doomed. The government may tolerate organized crime to a certain extent in local areas. You see this in gambling rackets and during the prohibition period, alcohol, things that are tolerated by society though they’re technically illegal. Once you move beyond that and you have people who are openly forcing the government to recognize them as criminals, the government has to do something. And that’s really been the downfall of the modern Mafia in the United States and, to a lesser extent, Sicily.

http://www.salon.com/books/int/2009/08/19/mike_dash_mafia/

This is why I advocate White nationalists adopt Taqqiyah, and treat WN'ism as religious faith, rather than merely political ideology. Taqqiyah, or concealing one's true beliefs, enhances fanaticism and enhances ingroup/outgroup feeling among the ingroup. The Shi'ites have been practicing Taqqiyah for a millenium already:

the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the Shi'a attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq): "Nine tenths of religion is Taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) "He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it." "A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari) "Mix with them (i.e. non-Shi'a) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)

This is why I advocate White nationalists adopt Taqqiyah, and treat WN'ism as religious faith, rather than merely political ideology. Taqqiyah, or concealing one's true beliefs, enhances fanaticism and enhances ingroup/outgroup feeling among the ingroup. The Shi'ites have been practicing Taqqiyah for a millenium already:

That might work for some. For me, I made decision to go public at the start, because I believe that is exactly what is needed in order to get the thing going.

That might work for some. For me, I made decision to go public at the start, because I believe that is exactly what is needed in order to get the thing going.

Yeah, the thing I realized over the years was that I needed to get involved in my local community without putting a big scarlet A on my chest. I know Rounder says we can't "sneak up on the jew." Well, I had to tailor my goals to the situation in which I found myself. The people around here have zero motivation for any sort of activity beyond the minimal necessary work to support themselves, and recreation.

The incredible laziness of the locals has a bright side; it creates a power vacuum and thus opens an opportunity to become a community leader. Every cloud has a silver lining.

So my suggestion would be:

1. Only recruit people with middle class values -- people with initiative. People who invest effort in something beyond immediate gratification. You may be an Army of one for a while, and you may grow very slowly, but you can only bother with quality. You are better to be an army of one than to hang around with losers.

2. Find out what community organizations and events are worth showing up for. Most aren't. It's fine to join things and quit if they are not going anywhere. You want to be a part of organizations with rich people and powerful people. That simple.

3. Your cadre should be ready to get involved with non-WN's who are useful to them. We call them "the English," as the Amish call outsiders. This is an excellent time to practice Taqqiyah, and Neurolinguistic Programming.

4. Read "The House of Rothschild: Money's Prophets 1798-1848" by Niall Ferguson. This is a blueprint of daring and sudden social ascent. It is highly useful and relevant to our cause. It will give you a new way to think. There is lots of hidden opportunity, but we are too moral and cautious and timid to seize those opportunities.

Yeah, the thing I realized over the years was that I needed to get involved in my local community without putting a big scarlet A on my chest. I know Rounder says we can't "sneak up on the jew." Well, I had to tailor my goals to the situation in which I found myself. The people around here have zero motivation for any sort of activity beyond the minimal necessary work to support themselves, and recreation.

The incredible laziness of the locals has a bright side; it creates a power vacuum and thus opens an opportunity to become a community leader. Every cloud has a silver lining.

So my suggestion would be:

1. Only recruit people with middle class values -- people with initiative. People who invest effort in something beyond immediate gratification. You may be an Army of one for a while, and you may grow very slowly, but you can only bother with quality. You are better to be an army of one than to hang around with losers.

2. Find out what community organizations and events are worth showing up for. Most aren't. It's fine to join things and quit if they are not going anywhere. You want to be a part of organizations with rich people and powerful people. That simple.

3. Your cadre should be ready to get involved with non-WN's who are useful to them. We call them "the English," as the Amish call outsiders. This is an excellent time to practice Taqqiyah, and Neurolinguistic Programming.

4. Read "The House of Rothschild: Money's Prophets 1798-1848" by Niall Ferguson. This is a blueprint of daring and sudden social ascent. It is highly useful and relevant to our cause. It will give you a new way to think. There is lots of hidden opportunity, but we are too moral and cautious and timid to seize those opportunities.

Sounds like good advice. I'd like to hear some real-world stories of WN getting involved, or leading, local activities.

I was addressing a rather different point. I do think a successful advocacy group could be created today. I've already outlined how it would work. The key is it would have public advocates, support staff, supporters. It would do things actually worth doing:

HARD SIDE - fighting our enemies

- hitting major hush crime scenes demanding justice - NEVER backing down, not physically, not verbally. (Not backing down verbally means never using the opponents' communist frames and terms but using only terms and frames that advance the White cause.)

- ADL/FBI-level checks on all insiders + development of enemy research

SOFT SIDE - helping ordinary people "Live White"

- developing curriculum. Contract with experts to develop K-12 and online Aryan State University to feed the burgeoning interest in HS/escaping the System schools and the anti-White lies they inculcate.

- coming up with best ways to grow local networks (I'm less clear on this point, but some way for private people not just to write checks to the Arayan Defense League but to create local groups doing things actually worth doing - this is where Kievsky's approach comes into play)

- maintaining national news/commentary site to promote White writers/analysts and speakers/activists

Give people something solid to be a part of.

People express themselves in a variety of ways on the net, with a variety of audiences in mind (or not). There is no universal code of conduct or rules of engagement, apart from each board's own set of guidelines, so it basically comes down to judging the content and style of a person's post--you may like it or disagree with it, but it's up to you.

Thanks for explaining to me how the net works and that I'm free to decide whether I like a person's post or not. I didn't know that already. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.

Whether or not a person is anonymous or has several handles on several sites is irrelevant IMO.

It's relevant when that person is behaving in a manner that he would not behave in if he had to post under his real name, or at least under a pseudonym whose reputation he cares to protect as much as his real name.

I've been on the net since '96. Having always been sensitive about privacy issues, I've used many pseudonyms throughout that time. I understand the psychology that accompanies using throwaway accounts.

Usenet has become practically unusable (no pun intended) because there are so many anonymous fucktards on there now who change their nyms every 5 seconds. 12 years ago, usenet was a great source of information and the few trolls that were on there were actually funny, unlike today's. The decline in usenet has everything to do with people not posting under their real names, or at least not maintaining consistent net personas.

If you're going to be anonymous, you should at least make an effort to treat your pseudonym as respectfully as you would your real name. Otherwise, you deserve to be taken about as seriously as a kid who makes prank calls.

And you don't have to listen to me, obviously -- I'm simply telling you what I consider to be an honest, honorable, ethical way to behave on the net.

I don't see how different styles prevents meeting people in real life and forming bonds and potentially community.

Of course people have different "styles." Of course people have different opinions. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You're defending anonymity so much that it makes me wonder if you aren't a troll. What legitimate motive could somebody have to have several different handles on several sites? The lady Anne doth protest too much.

Anyways, let's just drop this. I've made my point and I don't really have anything else to say. No need to go over it again and derail this thread in the process.

Precisely. We have to learn charisma and how to instill confidence in people, and only gradually reveal our true beliefs.

This DOES NOT WORK. You may think you've won people over with your charm, but as soon as the jews or one of their renfields identifies you and starts calling you a "racist" or a "nazi," you'll quickly find out what all of those friendships were really worth.

People go on and on about why WN doesn't go anywhere, and how we must do this or that instead. Well, did President Nixon advance our cause by keeping his beliefs about the jews hidden? Have such tactics gotten the conservative movement anywhere?

If you support the anti-Zionist movement, you're not a white nationalist; you're an anti-Zionist. If you support the patriotard movement, you're not a white nationalist; you're a patriotard. Supporting these other movements isn't clever and it doesn't help our cause. Perhaps we can recruit people from such movements, but we should never pretend to be part of them. If anti-Zionists want to hold public rallies against Israel's racist treatment of the Palestinians, I'm fine with that; I'm just not going to pretend to be one of them.

Despite the endless talk about racism in our society, the WN position is so foreign to most people that muds are actually surprised when I stand up to them (online) and tell them I don't want them in my country; they're not used to hearing that from whites. They may have heard that there were white racists on their TVs, but they've never come across any in person. They're flabbergasted and don't know how to deal with a white who doesn't scamper away with his tail between his legs when they call him a racist.

The WN position needs to be better known, and in order for it to be better known, it needs people who aren't afraid to overtly state their beliefs. Yes, you will be a pariah for openly stating your beliefs, but nothing in life is free. The role of a vanguard is to cut a path through the bush to make it easier for others to follow.

Usenet has become practically unusable (no pun intended) because there are so many anonymous fucktards on there now who change their nyms every 5 seconds. 12 years ago, usenet was a great source of information and the few trolls that were on there were actually funny, unlike today's. The decline in usenet has everything to do with people not posting under their real names, or at least not maintaining consistent net personas.

USENET's decline is the result of two factors: its deepening obsolescence and the unmoderated nature of the alt.* hierarchy. Plenty of civil forums exist online in which most - if not all - of the participants never use their real names. This is a matter of what kind of post content is permitted.

If you're going to be anonymous, you should at least make an effort to treat your pseudonym as respectfully as you would your real name. Otherwise, you deserve to be taken about as seriously as a kid who makes prank calls.

One should never forget that the Internet is Serious Business.

This DOES NOT WORK. You may think you've won people over with your charm, but as soon as the jews or one of their renfields identifies you and starts calling you a "racist" or a "nazi," you'll quickly find out what all of those friendships were really worth.

If you provide them with ammunition that makes those charges seem legitimate, that's what you'll get. If you don't, the MSM/ADL/SPLC/etc. will be perceived by anyone with half a brain as shrill and intolerant.

People go on and on about why WN doesn't go anywhere, and how we must do this or that instead. Well, did President Nixon advance our cause by keeping his beliefs about the jews hidden? Have such tactics gotten the conservative movement anywhere?


Nixon's beef with the Jewish elite was chiefly personal, and certainly didn't extend to his views or policies involving Israel, media subversion, etc. I think his stormy association with Kissinger and the proliferation of Jewish personalities in the postwar Republican party is sufficient evidence of this.

If you support the anti-Zionist movement, you're not a white nationalist; you're an anti-Zionist. If you support the patriotard movement, you're not a white nationalist; you're a patriotard. Supporting these other movements isn't clever and it doesn't help our cause. Perhaps we can recruit people from such movements, but we should never pretend to be part of them. If anti-Zionists want to hold public rallies against Israel's racist treatment of the Palestinians, I'm fine with that; I'm just not going to pretend to be one of them.


Why not? There's potential to meet new people, learn about how they function and network at these kinds of functions. Their political views are irrelevant; what they can offer - knowingly or otherwise - to the struggle against ZOG is what matters.

The WN position needs to be better known, and in order for it to be better known, it needs people who aren't afraid to overtly state their beliefs. Yes, you will be a pariah for openly stating your beliefs, but nothing in life is free. The role of a vanguard is to cut a path through the bush to make it easier for others to follow.

WN is calcified, outmoded and ineffectual. Hardcore liberals and milquetoast kwans are terrified of it (even though they don't exactly understand why) and most racists who can identify with its core values recognize it as a dead end. You're better off forming malleable, effective connections with people who can get things done; whether or not they share your sentiments is irrelevant.

You're better off forming malleable, effective connections with people who can get things done; whether or not they share your sentiments is irrelevant.

I think that is basically the position of National Anarchism, no? It's good in the sense that there's strength in numbers (there are all kinds of anti-system people), but it's weak in that it believes vastly different groups can just co-operate until the state is brought down. You'd have to really stay focussed on the goal in order to stomach co-operating with a bunch of leftist loons and assorted fruits.

(I think Metzger was ahead of the game, by advocating co-operating with the greens and anti-globalists years ago).

Aside from us, Whites do not think or act in terms of racial solidarity. They are not ethnocentric. I think it is something that the larger body has to learn because, really, they have never had it before. White history is full of fratricidal wars between nation states. In some cases, such as the French and Indian War, they were more than happy to hire in non-Whites to kill fellow Whites.

The question is how to get Whites to think in racial terms instead of political party terms? Or -ism terms? Or subculture terms? That, IMO, is the question, or the problem. The person that figures out how to do that hits the jackpot.

I agree with Kievsky. Middle class people are more motivated. The poor classes have some that are, but most want beer and televitz. With proper motivation, they make good workers and soldiers. The jews have shown us this with their sandbox wars. Upper classes, of course, owe their $$$ to hobknobbing with the juden. They won't rock their boat.

I think Alex's idea is great for a core cadre of people. The question is how to expand it into large numbers of people.

When whites are allowed freedom of association and do not live in a "society of strangers" like they do for the most part today, whites will always be ethnocentric.

For example: When I went to boarding school it was almost all white (mostly Anglo-Celt and German with some Italians) the level of ethnocentrism/racism amongst the student body was very high. There was one Sephardic Jew there and you should've seen the hell we gave him for his heritage. :lulz:

I once went on an anti-Jew tirade in front of him and nearly brought him to tears while the other big, mean whiteys looked on and laughed. It's moments like those I think back to every time things seem a little too hopeless for white ethnocentrism. :D

I do not think the moment will come until there are significant fractures in the economy and politics. The recent health care question reaction comes to mind. Further demographic shifting, along with realization of the demographic deterioration, is also necessary.
In connection with the original consideration, I say that the reason this thing of ours has not taken off is spiritual, not religious, poverty. We have not yet spiritualized our quest. Given time, the White race may turn to our efforts as to a substitute for the degraded spirituality of the time. This may be so for the old and the young White victims, who finally realize that they are literally the second-class in a concrete, palpable day-to-day war imposed on them by Jews, African Americans, and Hispanics on an alien turf elaborated from the land of out fathers. There wil be no material progress until we learn to spiritualize our quest and our agenda as something like the Grail quest of the present time. Then, the Wotan archetype will be referenced and its energy released. At that point, it all is reduced to a mere engineering problem.
Interestingly, A. Hitler, in his last days (cf. published and unpublished diaries of Traudl Junge) prophesied that in perhaps one hundred years or less, "a movement based on the principles of National Socialism would sweep the world with the force of a religion."
Until this time, we can try to prepare the ground on good sites like this and try to non-virtually network, while we wait for the White savior and the White messianic era.
Jung and Campbell stressed that White salvation would come only by reconnecting with the myths of our people. Sadly, the enemy knew this and successfully cut off most of us from our great literature and mythology, even as this enemy rewrote our history. At that point, the White heart was deprived of life-giving blood. But just look at the benefits of exercise, good nutrition, and angioplasty in coronary artery disease.
There is nothing for us unless we strive on. Always.
When Pandora's box was opened, the only thing left in it after it was closed was hope.

[Alex Linder] Our cause - our ideas and our general case - has made headway, thanks to the Internet. However, no organization has developed providing plausible leadership or outlet for members to channel their skills and money. Why is this?



The track record over the past 60 years or so of organizational WNism is abysmal.

There is simply no upside today to organizational membership for quality individuals with something to lose. I do believe that can change in the future.

Blunt, but there it is. /shrug

I like the forum revamp, btw. Seems more focused.

[Alex Linder] Our cause - our ideas and our general case - has made headway, thanks to the Internet. However, no organization has developed providing plausible leadership or outlet for members to channel their skills and money. Why is this?



The track record over the past 60 years or so of organizational WNism is abysmal. No need to go into why.

There is simply no upside today to organizational membership for quality individuals with something to lose. I do believe that can change in the future.

Blunt, but there it is. /shrug

I like the forum revamp, btw. Seems more focused.

hey Donnie, how are your heirloom tomatoes doing? don't forget to give us an update and your thoughts when you have the time, I am very interested. thanks.

-George

hey Donnie, how are your heirloom tomatoes doing? don't forget to give us an update and your thoughts when you have the time, I am very interested. thanks.

-George

A smashing success. Been a very busy 6 weeks or so. Don't want to derail this thread with details. I'll post a lengthy update on my blog later today or tomorrow.

How, by participating in regional and state politics? Through the Republican party? Of course it doesn't work, because they're working in a system that won't have any part of them. The trick is to shed ideology and be an opportunist. Find a way to reach a large number of (mostly stupid and/or gullible) people and exploit them.

That is exactly what Barack Obama did. Not that I support BS Obama, but WN could learn from how he duped enough so called "moderates" to swing the votes.

Hello all. New member here.

In the spirit of honesty on first contact I will say that I am not white but an Indian Muslim born in the US.

I have read this site for several months before I finally signed up to post something and this seems like the first topic on which I could offer something.

The basic problem with WN movements is that they offer too big of a target for all the enemies. Shooting down arguments or holding an anti-rally for any mass gathering of overt WNs is like shooting fish in barrel for the black, mexican, jew, leftist political groups.

Also the mass derision and professional costs experienced by WNs when they attend is too much to bear for normal people who have too much to lose. Thus WN events will mostly be attended by fringe elements which then feeds right into presenting the big target for the enemies.

I short, trying to gain political power through the overt WN movement is like trying to enter the promised land of political power through a cave that was dynamited long ago.

Now this doesn't mean you have to compromise on your principles to get anything done. But it does mean that a clever angle has to be used to motivate people of the right kind to join up and show up at events. In other words what kinds of people are there who are white, militant, and could easily be convinced in their racial imperative with a few enlightened speeches?

The gun rights crowd and the anti-gov/militia crowd. Predominantly white, angry, and there are potentially millions who would join a movement that did NOT preach overt racism at the beginning, but instead metered it in with intelectual arguments and speechs over time.

Since we all know this government is a jew front for exploitation and watering down of the one race they fear, the whites, every WN MUST BE ANTI-GOVERNMENT. Or you cannot be a WN in any meaningful fashion.

AND since any studied anti-government type has long ago realized that the government will only go by force. Every WN who realistically wants to solve the problem must be a militant.

Thus WNs are anti-government militants. You are a wholely contained subset of the anti-government militants. Who seek to take this government down. One way or the other.

The WN members must take hold of or create new gun rights organizations and anti-goverment movements that DO NOT SHOW OVERT WN agendas. Then build membership and slowly insert ideas to the members who will be without doubt 99.999% white, that these other groups, jews, blacks, mexicans, and immigrants BENEFIT GREATLY from the government by taking from YOU and giving to THEM.

This will turn them into WNs. And you will have successfully evaded any attempt classify your organization as a fringe racist group at the outset or anywhere along the way. You will hold the legal and moral high ground in all arenas. As a Nativist Rights Group.

An enlightened group of leaders will of course be necessary to make this happen. Your speakers will have to rival the best that have existed. And I think we all have a notion of who I'm referring to.

Good luck and hopefully this may help.

A Freeman
thefreemenproject.com