From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 00:22:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA10317 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com (ix9.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.9]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA10310 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA09133; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:20:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:20:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199601010820.AAA09133@ix9.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.122 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Searle Disks To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Wolfgang; John Searle is working with a person in N.Y. to publish a set of books on the design of the levity disk. This version is composed of a series of specially magnetized rollers and rings. Dennis Lee You wrote: > > >I've recently been reading about the Searle disk from the Anti-Gravity >Handbook by D. Childress. > >It mentions that when a Searle disk is charged enough, the protons and >other atomic structure collapse and put the disk and whatever's attached >to it into a quantum field which allows an enertialless environment >which also can make point A point B, and remove the time between >[Einstiens theory] > >Before I make an order and have alot of money spent on getting ther parts >for ssuch a gadget, does it infact do what it's supposed to do? Will it >propel what's attached to it upwards? Can it realy make an enveloping >quantum field? > >THanks to those who can help! > >Wolf > >Skyward Aerospace >(905)685-8726 Extension #1 >wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca > >"There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" > > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 00:45:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA12491 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com (ix8.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA12484 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA00767; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:44:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:44:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199601010844.AAA00767@ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.123 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: fnrg: Re Magnifying Xmitter To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I found that quote. It's in "Nikola Tesla Lectures Patents Articles" p.A-156 The electromagnetic radiations being reduced to an insignificant quantity, and proper conditions of resonance maintained, the circuit acts like an immense pendulum, storing indefinitely the energy of the primary exciting impulses and impressions upon the earth and its conducting atmosphere uniform harmonic oscillations of intensities which, ... 1. If the electromagnetic radiations are reduced to insignificant quantities, wouldn't very little power be drawn from the primary? 2. 'storing indefinitely the energy of the primary exciting impulses' seems to also suggest that power is not used in the primary. Dennis Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 06:21:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA25392 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25385 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:19:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for freenrg-list@eskimo.com id AA00362; Mon, 1 Jan 96 09:15:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:15:19 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.124 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Searle Disks To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601010820.AAA09133@ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, dennis lee wrote: > Hi Wolfgang; > > John Searle is working with a person in N.Y. to publish a set of books on the > design of the levity disk. This version is composed of a series of specially > magnetized rollers and rings. > > Dennis Lee Thanks alot Dennis! I appreciate it! I'll have to see what else I can find! Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 06:21:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA25392 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25385 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:19:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for freenrg-list@eskimo.com id AA00362; Mon, 1 Jan 96 09:15:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:15:19 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.124 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Searle Disks To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601010820.AAA09133@ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, dennis lee wrote: > Hi Wolfgang; > > John Searle is working with a person in N.Y. to publish a set of books on the > design of the levity disk. This version is composed of a series of specially > magnetized rollers and rings. > > Dennis Lee Thanks alot Dennis! I appreciate it! I'll have to see what else I can find! Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 06:31:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA25894 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25887 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA28588; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:30:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:30:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199601011430.GAA28588@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.125 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Biefeld_Brown... To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rick; You wrote: > >Dennis & V - > >You wrote: > >------------------------------------------- >>Could it be that the Biefeld-Brown effect is a tuned phenomenon? >>I have test asymetrical electrode pairs under vacuum. My original >>plan was to see how electric and magnetic fields combined to >>produce a gravity field via the plasma. What I got from a number of >>different electrode pairs (wire - sphere, cone - wire, cone - sphere, >>etc.) was spinning disks, spheres, and cones of plasma. There were >>certain settings where the spinning plasma took up most of the >>space between the electrodes; in a non-tuned state the plasma would >>collapse into very tiny blobs spinning on the electrodes themselves. >>Are there any opinions on what this means? >------------------------------------------- > >>From some of the things I've heard, some sort of tuning with a pulsed DC >current could be involved. But one thing that a pulsed current might do is set >up eddy currents in materials and plasmas which in turn create magnetic fields >that might hide or confuse any underlying 'gravitational' force, in addition to >the problems of ionic thrust and electrostatic effects. I'm planning on >eliminating those effects as much as possible to try to see if there's anything >being masked behind them. I would think that the DC pulse frequency to strive for would be the ion acoustic resonant frequency of the dieletric. Zero point energy would then orthorotate into our dimension increasing the Biefeld - Brown effect? >Could you tell me more about the conditions in your experiments? The spinning >disks, spheres and cones of plasma remind me of Tesla's "rotating brushes". Was >your vacuum chamber surrounded by a grounded shield for stray external fields? >What was the voltage level? Pulsating DC? Frequency? From the fact of the >presence of plasmas I gather that the vacuum was not a hard vacuum. vacuum - 2 or 3 torr (estimated) power supplies - 7500VAC & 5000 VDC neon transformers no EM shielding Rotating Brushes? - not sensitive to EM fields; probably not. The size of the electrodes and separation distance seemed to be tuning factors >Thanks for bringing this up again. As I said in my other message, I missed the >reports here by others doing related work, and haven't yet seen the >descriptions of Puthoff's experiments, so I'm very interested in reading your >comments. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > > Dennis Lee From billb@mail.eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 08:11:29 1996 Received: from eskimo.com (billb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA00973 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 08:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id IAA25902; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 08:11:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 08:11:27 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.126 From: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: Dielectric grav (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 01 Jan 96 17:06:43 -0900 From: Roger Scott Cathey To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Dielectric grav I found your page very interesting. I have a neat little book written by Carl Krafft, back in the 30s. He was an avid developer of an ether-vortex theory of atomic and gravitational forces. His theory was underpinned by the writings of O.C. Hilgenberg and Hermanne Fricke of Germany, pre-Nazi. Hilgenberg's views included a vertical ether sink as the cause of gravity, and the consequent development of mass in the enterior of the earth. Hence the earth expanded over time, with periodic explosive expansions and contractions. Meanwhile, Krafft developed the idea of combining vortices in face to face rolling contact, which provides four basic forms: single vortice=neutrino; double vortice, with rolling contact drawing ether into the periphery=proton; with rolling contact into the poles=electron; then the neutron which is three vortices combining forming a neutral, polarizeable particle drawing ether into one end, out the sides, in the sides out the other end. Krafft's books were all self published. His idea for creating a gravitational vortice is similar to the device you described. Nice work. Roger. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 09:41:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA09406 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com (ix9.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.9]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09387 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA21989; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:40:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:40:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199601011740.JAA21989@ix9.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.127 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: resistors To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: > >Richard, > >Did you receive the resistors I sent. > >Gary Hawkins >------------------------------------------------------------- >Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today >http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > 1/1/96 Sure did. Thanks and I will keep you posted. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 09:56:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA10771 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA10761 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA21212; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:54:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:54:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199601011754.JAA21212@ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.128 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Solid state coils revisited To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: .. > >If any of you on this listserv have this mag., I'd be most appreciative if >you'd contact me. I'm having very little luck working with Duane Byland's >coil design, and I am looking for a good alternative design. I'm looking >for a solid state coil design with a maximum discharge of about 3 inches >into free air. > >Thanks - Bert > 1/1/95 Bert, I have that issue. Send me your address and I will copy you. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 10:16:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA12892 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA12881 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA00804 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:06:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA17379; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:16:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:16:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601011816.MAA17379@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.129 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: fnrg Resonance Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Hi Michael; > > I've read somewhere that scalar waves can be used to extract energy (or heat) >out of a volume. > >Dennis Lee > Hi, Tom Bearden wrote of this in "STAR WARS NOW! The Bohm-Aharonov Efect". I have been keeping my eye out when driving for cloud formations such as he described and pictured. I haven't seen any yet. It could be that, given the current state of Russia, the experimental stations that were supposedly doing this research are now shut down and the research has ben halted. Zack Widup w9sz@prairienet.org P.S. HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 10:20:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA13359 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13351 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA04703; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:18:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:18:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199601011818.KAA04703@ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.130 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Zero Point Energy & Plasma To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Lee; I recommend the book "Tapping The Zero-Point Energy" by Moray B. King. Paraclete Publishing, P.O.Box 859, Provo, UT 84603 Dennis Lee You wrote: > >A recent TV program here in the UK (17th Dec 1995 'Equinox') featured >(amongst other interesting items) a piece about a plasma discharge >that provided an overunity output under certain conditions. It was said >that such results need not conflict with energy conservation laws and >might be explained in terms of interactions with the Zero Point Energy field. > >In a paper published by the Russian News agency, Novoski dated around 1980 >it is claimed that Prof Alexander Chernetski was able to create a "self >generating discharge". > >Dr Harold Puthoff (Institute for Advanced Studies, Texas) went to Moscow >in 1991 and witnessed a demonstration. He was interviewed on the program. >He said... > >"I went to see his device - it was a very dramatic demonstration. > I was impressed. I went home (my first night in Moscow) and didn't > sleep very much trying to figure out how this thing could be working, > whether it was a trick, what principles could truly be involved" > >Prof. Chernetski was invited to the USA in order to continue his work >but died in 1992. It was stated that nobody has since taken up his research. > >Due to the enormous scientific and economic benefits such a system >would bring I assume that someone somewhere must have tried to >duplicate Chernetski's results. I also assume (as there are no headlines >in the world's press) nobody has been successful. > >I would be interested to hear from anyone who has tried to duplicate >Chernetski's work with what result. Can anyone provide any >quantitative info or technical references about Chernetski's work? Ideally >I would like circuits, voltages, frequencies etc. > >Anecdotal information about plasma induced energy anomalies would also be >interesting. > >Comments anyone? > >-- >Lee Allen >Lee2@hello.co.uk > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 13:28:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA01839 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 13:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01826 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 13:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id NAA22094; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 13:28:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 13:28:31 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.131 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: antigravity movie Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just received this. Anyone with interest can contact them directly. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:22:47 -0800 From: ross marshall To: billb@eskimo.com Plutonium Films prod., Inc. c/o Ross Marshall, Dir/Producer 8055 Lankershim Blvd., #2 N. Hollywood, Ca. 91605 1-818-504-4135 E-Mail: < ross@pacificnet.net > Re: Anti-Gravity Research and Development: General Request Invitation Letter: Dear sirs, we are a documentary film and video corporation and are in the process of producing a documentary on magnetism and anti-gravity. We would like to offer any and all participants the chance to contribute information, files and video footage of interviewers and experimental devices for consideration as visuals and data for the documentary. Plutonium will offer each an agreement of percentage royalties, according to the information used, in return for the data contributed. We are excited about the subject matter and hope that many of you will feel free to contribute any relevant data necessary to further the project. Anyone interested in this can call for further details and description of their available data. Video footage of any quality will be greatly rewarded, when used in the documentary. Video footage can consist of interviews (short ones) of professionals and researchers and inventors, and any demonstration of devices, WHETHER OR NOT THEY FULLY WORK. Visuals are very important for the production. Please feel free to e-mail files with return mailing addresses and phone numbers; e-mail description of any video footage you have and/or ship samples, or the complete footage to the above address in care of Ross Marshall, Director/Producer. Files may consist of description of devices, theories, and any relevant data associated with anti-gravity; from realistic to Sci-Fi. All materials will be evaluated for the documentary and everyone will be contacted who has contributed, whether the materials are used or not. All contributors who's data is used will be given a chance of negotiation for contract royalties on the profit income of the doc's quarterly income. All who contribute will be given name credits at the end of the doc. and advertising space (addresses will be listed, if requested) for any products and data for release. Please feel free to contact us at the above address. Sincerely; Ross Marshall 12-31-95 rsm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 18:16:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA04695 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA04683 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA03643; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:16:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.132 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Dielectric grav In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From a non-subscriber. Interested parties want to contact him? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 01 Jan 96 17:06:43 -0900 > From: Roger Scott Cathey > To: billb@eskimo.com > Subject: Dielectric grav > > I found your page very interesting. I have a neat little book written by > Carl Krafft, back in the 30s. He was an avid developer of an ether-vortex > theory of atomic and gravitational forces. His theory was underpinned by > the writings of O.C. Hilgenberg and Hermanne Fricke of Germany, pre-Nazi. > Hilgenberg's views included a vertical ether sink as the cause of > gravity, and the consequent development of mass in the enterior of the > earth. Hence the earth expanded over time, with periodic explosive > expansions and contractions. Meanwhile, Krafft developed the idea of > combining vortices in face to face rolling contact, which provides four > basic forms: single vortice=neutrino; double vortice, with rolling > contact drawing ether into the periphery=proton; with rolling contact > into the poles=electron; then the neutron which is three vortices > combining forming a neutral, polarizeable particle drawing ether into one > end, out the sides, in the sides out the other end. Krafft's books were > all self published. His idea for creating a gravitational vortice is > similar to the device you described. Nice work. > Roger. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 18:26:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA05839 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA05833 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA04346; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:25:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:25:51 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.133 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:11:15 -0800 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Solid state coils revisited To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com You wrote: > >I found a reference on Bill's page to a solid state Tesla coil design which >is supposed to be in the Oct '88 Hands-on Electronics, Vol 5 #10. I visited >the downtown library here in Dallas, and they do not have this periodical. > >If any of you on this listserv have this mag., I'd be most appreciative if >you'd contact me. I'm having very little luck working with Duane Byland's >coil design, and I am looking for a good alternative design. I'm looking >for a solid state coil design with a maximum discharge of about 3 inches >into free air. > >Thanks - Bert > > 12/31/95 Bert, I have this issue. Sendme your address and I'll copy you. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 18:28:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA06231 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06218 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA04577; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:28:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.134 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Electrostatic motors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 29 Dec 1995, Wolfgang Starchild wrote: > On Thu, 28 Dec 1995, Zack Widup wrote: > > > Have any of you built any of the motors from the delightful book > > ELECTROSTATIC MOTORS by Oleg Jefimenko? They look like they would be a > > lot of fun, and most could be built with a few pieces of hobby brass and > > plexiglass. > > > > Hey Zack; > > Where did you get the book? Jefimenko's company sells it. Their address is on Amateur Science, http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/amateur/ambooks.html ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 19:12:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA11304 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA11284 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:12:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601020312.TAA11284@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 19:19:33 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.135 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: fnrg Resonance Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:16 PM 1/1/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >>Hi Michael; >> >> I've read somewhere that scalar waves can be used to extract energy (or heat) >>out of a volume. >> >>Dennis Lee >> > >Hi, > >Tom Bearden wrote of this in "STAR WARS NOW! The Bohm-Aharonov Efect". >I have been keeping my eye out when driving for cloud formations such as >he described and pictured. I haven't seen any yet. It could be that, >given the current state of Russia, the experimental stations that were >supposedly doing this research are now shut down and the research has ben >halted. > >Zack Widup >w9sz@prairienet.org > >P.S. HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone! > > > This just reminded me of an unusual story someone told me. Sorry that this is all very anecdotal. A gentleman was doing some cloudbusting experiments from his back yard. His son started yelling that there was a vertical visible beam to the sky originating from a large corporate location nearby. After awhile it faded, but he did some asking around, and was told that they were doing some scalar research there. Apparently, in asking around, he also drew their attention. A couple of people came to his door and asked if he was doing cloudbusting. He said yes, but wanted to know how they knew. They told him that the cloud formations running straight north and south only occur when someone is using a cloudbuster. That might sound pretty hokey, and I don't know how relevant it is, and don't even know if it is true, so I debated whether to even promulgate it, but it's just one of those loose ends that could possibly mean something to someone. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 1 19:45:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA21086 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [198.4.9.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21031 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id WAA03582; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 22:43:57 -0500 Date: 01 Jan 96 22:42:45 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.136 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Biefeld_Brown... Message-ID: <960102034244_76216.2421_HHB88-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dennis You wrote: >I would think that the DC pulse frequency to strive >for would be the ion acoustic resonant frequency of >the dieletric. Zero point energy would then orthorotate >into our dimension increasing the Biefeld - >Brown effect? That sounds like something worth trying. How would I go about establishing the ion acoustic resonant frequency of a given material? I was thinking of casting a dielectric made of epoxy or urethane (both come with good dielectric strength and a pretty good K), and maybe loading it with titanium dioxide powder to see if I can get a higher net K based on the crystalline structure of the TiO2, which I think has a K of 150 or so. But that seems to imply multiple frequencies, which tends to defeat that idea. Maybe a simpler composition of dielectric material would work better. Anyway, How would a test be done to identify and differentiate that ionic frequency from the simple resonant frequency of the sample for a given thickness? Thanks for the idea, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 00:06:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA20283 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA20274 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from t2.dialup.peg.apc.org (t2.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.130]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id TAA13656 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:06:08 +1000 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:06:08 +1000 Message-Id: <199601020906.TAA13656@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.137 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Biefeld_Brown... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Help Guys ...I'm a bit stuck. I'm having trouble getting jpeg/gif software program download to "stick" in my Win95. Keeps coming up ..."file unsupported". Does this mean I should jack it up and put some bricks under it or is there a software solution? I'd really appReciate some help on this as I'm a bit of a computer beginner. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND-SCIENCE From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 08:08:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA27935 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA27925 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA11589; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:05:20 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:06:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:59:39 EST Message-Id: <4F06+fNJukA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.138 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Tesla Photo. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "The photo is one of Tesla seated on a chair reading a book. On the wall behind him is what looks like a pancake Tesla coil. The only thing I can conclude from the picture is that the coil on the wall is somehow helping Tesla read the book." If this is the picture of Tesla reading by light of the arcs from the coils, a well known photo of Tesla, you are looking at a double exposure. The coils were not active while Tesla was seated. This photo was produced for publicity, and is described in some of the published litrature on Tesla. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 09:00:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA05691 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05636 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA12554; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:59:15 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:59:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:09:28 EST Message-Id: <4F06+sWJukD@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.139 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Mag Xmitter. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >1. If the electromagnetic radiations are reduced to insignificant quantities, > wouldn't very little power be drawn from the primary? No, if the impedences are correctly matched, the system will still "load up" and draw maximum power in the out of phase condition, like as is the case in a transformer with two secondaries shorted out of phase, maximum current draw. >2. 'storing indefinitely the energy of the primary exciting impulses' seems to > also suggest that power is not used in the primary. I do not read this from the original material. It may state that the system will "store" the power input through the primary in the total potential of the system. I read this material in Tesla's book Experiments with Alternating Currents of high Frequency and Potential I beleive, or something quite close to that. I can get the exact reference if you wish. I had quoted this paragraph in great detail in a past post on the subject, along with my insights on the device. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 09:25:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA09217 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09211 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA13795; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:24:01 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:24:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:13:45 EST Message-Id: <4F06+7TKukA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.140 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Mystery Waves. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "My question is I am seeing flucuations in the field that appear to be roughly sinewave in shape. These waves vary in amplitude and have a period of about 1 to 2 minutes each. They also appear to come in groups of 6 to 8 then decrease in amplitude and reappear at full strenght again. The waves are not always sinewave and the period changes from time to time." You will find descriptions of this phenomena in several places. A number of people monitor VLF (ELF?) frequencies and see this effect. The Electrostatic Gradiometer will also detect these long period waves as well. The gradiometer is useful in researching these waves as it is possible to "sniff" out areas on wave interaction. As to the cause of these waves, it appears that bioelectric fields as well as telluric currents interact in self orginizing ways, and the long period waves in one result of these interactions. This may seem a bit strange, but you can easily prove that bioelectric phenomena follow these waves by attaching instruments to a small potted plant. Conversley, you can also detect changes in the enviromnental fields by effecting that same plant, and observing direct effects in the long term waves at a good distance from the experiment. Many so called "primary perception" experiments clearly also show this effect, and should be repeated with ELF/VLF monitoring as part of the data collection. The real question is just what does this all imply? Life is far more interconected that is commonly thought, and in ways that are hard to understand in terms of what we currently "know" about electromagnetic theory. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 10:38:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA21120 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA21091 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com) by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA112297856; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:37:41 -0800 Received: by ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA195077815; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:36:55 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.141 From: "Behdad Forghani" Message-Id: <9601021336.ZM19505@ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:36:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) "Re: fnrg: Clarification on EM and Scalar waves." (Dec 31, 3:09pm) References: <199512312309.PAA07844@ix12.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Clarification on EM and Scalar waves. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A On Dec 31, 3:09pm, Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > >The question still remains "where does the energy go when they reach > zero > >strength simultaneously?" I refer to Halliday and Resnick (3rd > edition), > >Electromagnetic Fields by Wangsness (2nd ed), Feynman Lectures, and > >Principles of Electrodynamics by Schwartz. Only this last book comes > >close to giving a satisfactory answer to the question. But it does so > in > >terms of retarded potentials, which is a totally different way of > seeing > >things, and I give myself about 2 weeks to come to true understanding > of > >this. > > > >At which time I'll explain it to anyone that is still interested. > > > > > >Charles > > > > 12/31/95 > > Charles, > > I originally posted the query and I am most interested in your > explanations. > > RWW >-- End of excerpt from Richard Wayne Wall Hello, I guess somebody already mentioned an answer similar to what I am going to write earlier.To me the phenomenon that you are describing is the basic definition of what a wave is. That is you have regions of high potential, regions of low or negative potentail and regions of zero potential which starts moving along an axis or radially. What happens is these regions constantly move forward keeping their relationship as is. from the direction of potential you see the wave traveling. From a cross section view you simply see the surface oscilating. The enregy comes from the point behind the cross section and goes to the point ahead of the point in cross section. This way of propagation usually fits perfectly with boundary conditions and that is why waves are nature's favorite way of transmitting signals. A good example is the tunneling diode where only a wave could satisfy the boundary conditions. One example about wave propagation with zero field points is the waves on a pond. You have the crest of the wave and regions that are below the surface of a water. between the two, you have a point which is at the level of the normal water surface or zero potential. Eventualy the crest of the wave starts moving forward and gets where the zero potential point was and the zero potential wave moves to where the minimum wave potential was. The surface of water is simply oscillating this way and the water does not abosrb the energy and the energy gets transferred to the edge of the water. Regards, Behdad -- Behdad Forghani -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Protocol Test Centre (Hewlett-Packard) e-mail: | 3333 Place Cavendish, Suite 501 phone # : 514-856-6706 | St-Laurent, Quebec fax # : 514-856-6659 | H4M 2X6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________ / \ \ ' / / \ \ /| / / \ ' | \ / \ | Made of 100% .______.\ / ' | / recycled electrons \ | \' .'_______|/ \ /`. | / \ / \ | \ \ / /\ | \ \ / / `| \ \ / / /| \ / \___/___________ / |__________\__/ \ |/ | / \ |\ | / \_____________| \ |__________/ \| From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 11:21:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA28303 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28278 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA01883; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:21:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:21:01 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.142 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: WEIRD SCIENCE Meeting Friday Jan 5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Meetings of Seattle's "weird science" hobby group take place the first Friday of each month, 7pm-12pm, at 22025 Redmond/Fall-city Rd. The next one is this Friday, 1/5/96 Travel: From I-5 take 520 east until it ends at a stop light. Turn right onto Redmond/Fall-City Rd. (rt. 202) Go 3.5 miles (into farmland, reset your odometer, it helps.) We're the house on the right with the small roadside "internet classes" sign. INCLUDING: Jan. 5 1996 Messin' with a small tesla coil. More 1-atmosphere nobel gas spark effects. Secret to arbitrarily large inexpensive solar furnaces. Tesla coil videos. Anyone have neat toys to show off? Bring 'em along! BRING STUFF TO SWAP/SELL... CLEAN OUT YOUR JUNKBOX, GET BRAND NEW JUNK! ALSO: beer and munchies, Jolt and crackers, etc., would be welcome IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY NOTICED: I'm running a Weird Science discussion group called freenrg-list. See the link on my page (near the top) for subscription instructions and message archive. Four months old, and 200+ subscribers. Ask me about Vortex-L, a similar group for researchers and advanced hobbyists. _____________________________________________________________________________ Sept. 7 A tour of 'weird science' on the internet, a demo of ancient meeting holography, night vision microcam, plasma spheres without glass, maglev without electronics, and motors without wires. Oct. 5 Argon balloon plasma ball (didn't work!) More high voltage meeting popbottle motor. Classic VandeGraaff hair-raising. Fascinating discussions lasting far, far into the night, and on a work night too! Future meetings now Saturdays. Nov. 3 Meet Mark Hendershot, the son of the inventor of the famous meeting "Hendershot Device" overunity oscillator. Free rainbow powder. Seeing electric current inside wires. Meetings now Fridays. Dec. 1 VandeGraaff machine physics lecture. Setting fire to 2x4 meeting with series-connected 9v batteries. The Schauberger story. Foot-long VDG sparks and pinhole fingerburns. An attempt to see Yost's strange "ion wind" threads. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 11:34:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA00529 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA00504 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA03359; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:34:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:34:10 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.143 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Clarification on EM and Scalar waves. In-Reply-To: <9601021336.ZM19505@ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Behdad Forghani wrote: > On Dec 31, 3:09pm, Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > > >The question still remains "where does the energy go when they reach > > zero > > >strength simultaneously?" I refer to Halliday and Resnick (3rd > > edition), > > >Electromagnetic Fields by Wangsness (2nd ed), Feynman Lectures, and > > >Principles of Electrodynamics by Schwartz. Only this last book comes > > >close to giving a satisfactory answer to the question. But it does so > > I guess somebody already mentioned an answer similar to what I am going to > write earlier.To me the phenomenon that you are describing is the basic > definition of what a wave is. That is you have regions of high potential, > regions of low or negative potentail and regions of zero potential which starts > moving along an axis or radially. Here is what confuses me about EM waves: in water waves, the 90deg phase relationship between the vertical velocity oscillation and the vertical position oscillation is what determines the direction of propagation, what in EM determines the direction? In water, if I stop time, then carve a ripple shape into the water surface, when I restart time which way will the ripple go? It is symmetrical, so why should it go either way? In fact, when time is restarted, the area with the ripple becomes a standing wave for awhile, and eventually ends up as TWO ripples going off in opposite directions. A wave-shaped water surface does not a wave make, since a real waterwave contains vertical inertia and vertically moving parts, not just a wave-shaped vertical profile. What makes an EM wave propagate in one direction or the other? If I slice one "hump" out of an EM wave and let it go out on it's own, what will determine its direction of propagation? (I think I know the answer, actually.) ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 12:26:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA09454 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA09430 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA18201; Tue, 2 Jan 96 15:25:30 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 2 Jan 96 15:26:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 15:09:24 EST Message-Id: <4F06+o1NukA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.144 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Clarification on EM and Scalar waves. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "What makes an EM wave propagate in one direction or the other? If I slice one "hump" out of an EM wave and let it go out on it's own, what will determine its direction of propagation? (I think I know the answer, actually." Ok, lets hear this one! The direction of propogation can be quite complex, as simple radiators are not inherently directional. On the subject in general, all references I have found so far that describe the E and B being in phase specificaly describes constant phase plane waves, as this is the simplest mathimatical application of Maxwells equations. But this is not what is produced by a dipole. The waves from a dipole approximate a constant phase plane wave at a distance only because the length of the receiving antenna is small in relation to the curvature of the wavefront, not because the wave has become a constant phase plane wave. I find the fact that we cannot measure the far field phase relationship emperically quite fusterating indeed! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 12:43:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA12379 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA12343 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com) by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA058225410; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:43:31 -0800 Received: by ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA211445369; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:42:49 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.145 From: "Behdad Forghani" Message-Id: <9601021542.ZM21142@ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:42:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: William Beaty "Re: fnrg: Clarification on EM and Scalar waves." (Jan 2, 11:34am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Clarification on EM and Scalar waves. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Jan 2, 11:34am, William Beaty wrote: > > Here is what confuses me about EM waves: in water waves, the 90deg phase > relationship between the vertical velocity oscillation and the vertical > position oscillation is what determines the direction of propagation, > what in EM determines the direction? I believe the same relationship exist in electromagnetic wave. I.E., The space is being charged with electric field and magnetic flux similar to the speed (inertia/accelration in water). I guess like water this helps the wave to propagate. Remind you that free space is resistive/inductive. I seem to remember space having a characteritic impedance of about 370 ohms. This impedance is non lossy like an inductor but is constant for all frequencies which is similar to resistors. In water, if I stop time, then > carve a ripple shape into the water surface, when I restart time which > way will the ripple go? It is symmetrical, so why should it go either > way? In fact, when time is restarted, the area with the ripple becomes a > standing wave for awhile, and eventually ends up as TWO ripples going off > in opposite directions. A wave-shaped water surface does not a wave > make, since a real waterwave contains vertical inertia and vertically > moving parts, not just a wave-shaped vertical profile. > > What makes an EM wave propagate in one direction or the other? If I > slice one "hump" out of an EM wave and let it go out on it's own, what > will determine its direction of propagation? (I think I know the answer, > actually.) > Can you share your answer with us please? All I know is that the waves start and move away from the source. I know that it doesn't take a genious to figure that out. Your hypothetical situation of a wave being carved on water is very interesting. But you have taken time, therefore, velocity out of the picture. In your hypothetical situation I would say each positive point will act as a positive source causing inital excitation and each negative point acts as a negative source of energy. I would again say each source causes waves to propagate in both direction. But this is because you took the element of time and velocity out of your geomentric waveform. Regards, Behdad -- Behdad Forghani -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Protocol Test Centre (Hewlett-Packard) e-mail: | 3333 Place Cavendish, Suite 501 phone # : 514-856-6706 | St-Laurent, Quebec fax # : 514-856-6659 | H4M 2X6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________ / \ \ ' / / \ \ /| / / \ ' | \ / \ | Made of 100% .______.\ / ' | / recycled electrons \ | \' .'_______|/ \ /`. | / \ / \ | \ \ / /\ | \ \ / / `| \ \ / / /| \ / \___/___________ / |__________\__/ \ |/ | / \ |\ | / \_____________| \ |__________/ \| From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 14:54:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA05090 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from altek.demon.co.uk (altek.demon.co.uk [158.152.51.175]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA05046 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:53:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 22:31:16 GMT X-UIDL: 834952770.146 From: lee2@hello.co.uk (Lee Allen) Message-Id: <4647@hello.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Zero Point Energy & Plasma X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In message <199601011818.KAA04703@ix10.ix.netcom.com> atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) writes: > I recommend the book "Tapping The Zero-Point Energy" by Moray B. King. > Paraclete Publishing, P.O.Box 859, Provo, UT 84603 > > Dennis Lee Thanks Dennis I had already found a very interesting file on the web with the same title at - http://www.lablink.com/sumeria/zpe3.html - on rechecking I see a reference to the book you mention. Thanks again for alerting me to this. -- Lee Allen Lee2@hello.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 2 18:25:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA11608 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from clark.dgim.doc.ca (root@crc.doc.ca [142.92.39.18]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA11590 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from Steckly.Gary.dgrr000.ic.gc.ca by clark.dgim.doc.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1.tee) id AA22266; Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:24:38 EST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 21:24:37 EST Message-Id: <9601030224.AA22266@clark.dgim.doc.ca> X-Sender: gsteckly@clark.dgim.doc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.147 From: gsteckly@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Gary Steckly) Subject: Re: fnrg: Mineshaft bobs X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Re bob Paddock's comments where he srote: > As far as "let high school students do it". It won't happen. >You couldn't even get them on the mine site property for insurance and >liability reasons. I have trouble getting in to the mine, and they >*ASKED* me to come! what I said was "it's simple enough that a group of high school students could do it" notwithstanding the logistics of getting into the mine, which I realize wouldn't happen. However, the basic concept of the test is extremely simple, and providing that the air disturbances in such a shaft could be damped out, the measurement wouldn't be that difficult. I believe the original article stated that the bobs were placed in oil to damp out any movement, and the divergence was 8.22". However, it has not yet even been confirmed that this is a true story, so interesting as it seems, it is still just a story, although a very intriguing one in light of the recent theoretical work to explain gravity as a consequence of the ZPFields. I would like to see a confirmation that these tests really happened. regards Gary From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 3 14:56:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA18693 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from compumedia.com (galadriel.compumedia.com [199.242.25.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA18670 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp212.compumedia.com by compumedia.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0tXc2s-0007STC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 14:52 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 14:52 PST X-Sender: skot@compumedia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.148 From: skot@compumedia.com (Scott Becker) Subject: Re: fnrg: Propulsion (fwd) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >Hi Scott; > > What happens if you use oxygen with oil? > >Dennis Lee The danger of oxygen is very well known in the welding industry. Many unwary welders have assembled an oxygen regulator with a little grease on their hands or gloves. After a short time the grease or oil explodes, sending up both tanks ( oxygen and acetylene ) and himself. Its very dangerous. I think it's because the grease or oil absorbs the oxygen and instead of being something that doesn't want to burn at all it becomes something that is capable of burning while still a liquid. And it's even more dangerous when under high pressure because it can happen instantly. Ask anyone who has handled pressurized oxygen tanks. Scott Becker From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 07:37:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA17833 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA17812 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA08415; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:17:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.149 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From another Amateur Science discussion group. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:20:59 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Choate To: Experimental Instrumentation Subject: A quote... Hi all, Heard something interesting and thought I would pass it along. "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% persperation." Thomas Edison "Edison wouldn't have had to sweat so much if he had though a little clearer" Nikola Tesla From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 07:37:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA18025 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA17996 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA08563; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:18:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.150 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Robert Adams Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:04:50 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: Robert Adams > > From: "William V. Adams" > > To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:24:30 +0800 > > Subject: Robert Adams > > > > I am looking for more information/reviews on the Adams Pulsed > > Electric Motor Generator > > request for info Adams Motor...... Have construction manual and > > other > details.......What's your interest????????/ I would like to try and duplicate the ????? results for use in my own independent power generation plant. For personal use/not profit! I was wondering if the $40.00 for the construction details/book from Nexus mag. was worth it. What were the problems you ran into? ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 07:51:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA20986 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA20949 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA10951; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:39:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.151 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Propulsion (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Scott Becker wrote: > >Hi Scott; > > > > What happens if you use oxygen with oil? > > > >Dennis Lee > > The danger of oxygen is very well known in the welding industry. > Many unwary welders have assembled an oxygen regulator with a little > grease on their hands or gloves. After a short time the grease or > oil explodes, sending up both tanks ( oxygen and acetylene ) and himself. > > Its very dangerous. I think it's because the grease or oil absorbs the > oxygen and instead of being something that doesn't want to burn at all > it becomes something that is capable of burning while still a liquid. > And it's even more dangerous when under high pressure because it can > happen instantly. On WEIRD SCIENCE, on the link to STARTING A CHARCOAL GRILL WITH 10gal OF LIQUID OXYGEN, the author warns that if you soak the charcoal and THEN light the grill, each briquet will explode with the energy of a stick of TNT. And so the charcoal must be burning before pouring on the LOX. Similar effect, I guess. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 14:34:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA26377 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA26322 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA02972; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:26:39 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:26:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:59:17 EST Message-Id: <4F06+qq2vkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.152 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Cc: neotech@world.std.com Subject: fnrg: Where's the beef? X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: With the growing number of claimed over unity devices floating about, one cannot help but be confused by the contrasting claims for and against these devices. For example, the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier was claimed to be over unity, then shot to bits on the internet. Now we hear that there are again claims that the device is over unity, and from T.E, Bearden himself, that ungrounded oscilloscopes must be used, and that indeed measurments may indicate over unity operation. And the Adams motor, claimed over unity, and claimed to be debunked as well. Lets see, there's the N machines, The Vaccum Triode Amplifier, and many many more. The confusion is deeper than performance metrics, a recent post claims that the secret to the Moray over unity device has been found, but the descriptions of the "tube" differ markedly from what little original material exists on Moray's work. Where's the germainum gone, and the third electrode? I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for and against each device. Only with such a reference could newcommers to this field begin an objective investigation of these devices and the claims made. Such a list need not be limited to over unity devices, T.T. Browns work, and others can also be included, such as alternitve health devices and the like. Once compiled, and placed on a web site, such a collection of objective data would be a significant start at introducing a bit of coherence into this field, and foster a more professional and objective environment for us all to persue our desires and dreams. It is my opinion, that close to half the effort invested by people interested in this field is lost spinning wheels and barking up the wrong trees. There are a good many of these devices that just do not work, but people put their limited resources into them none the less. Later, they at times find that the design they have been working on has been objectivly shown to be a dead end. This is not good for the field as a whole. Internal incoherence wastes too much of the far too limited time effort and money expended. People even forgo health care in the hope that a device will cure them, when the version of the device they hold hope for was abandon by it's own inventor quite early in their investigation. (i.e. Tesla coil driven Multi-Wave oscillators are more harmful than helpful, Lakhovisky abandon them, and made special tubes, easily replaced today by commercially produced chips) Whats worse, is that I have seen situations where a "true beleiver" denys that the device they choose to persue does not work, they loose their objectivty, and rumors spread that such and such device does indeed work as described, when the most basic tests show that it does not. Not only was the effort wasted, but a researcher has become lost, and more misinformation is generated to trap still more new to the field or device in question. With a master reference, researchers can make more informed choices on which devices to persue, or know what objections will be raised to modifications of existing devices claimed to be already debunked. Lets put more science into the so-called fringe. Opinions? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 19:13:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA13072 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (pra@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA13049 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pra@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA27151 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:13:13 -0700 (MST) X-UIDL: 834952770.153 From: Ed Harada Message-Id: <199601050313.UAA27151@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:13:11 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <4F06+qq2vkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> from "Robert A. Shannon" at Jan 4, 96 04:59:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > With a master reference, researchers can make more informed choices on > which devices to persue, or know what objections will be raised to > modifications of existing devices claimed to be already debunked. > > Lets put more science into the so-called fringe. > > Opinions? > Here's my $.02 worth. Gathering up opinions of what works and what doesn't is probably a good idea. However what really concerns me is the level of ignorance I seen on the net on how to measure electrical power. I would think that something this basic would be well understood and there wouldn't be much argument on how to do it. Never the less, when I see talk about using power factors on non-sinusoidal waves, I just shake my head and wonder what on earth people are talking about. Don Lancaster, bless his heart, talked about measuring electrical power in one of his columns in Radio Electronics, (now Electronics Now) magazine. I will admit I didn't know as much as I thought until I started looking into the subject. My boss at the time loaned me a book that talked about power factors, etc. However the assumptions is that the power factor approximations are only valid when you're dealing with sinusoidal waveforms. Since most of the OU devices don't produce nice sinusoids, the approximation breaks down and leads to funny results. So what can you do to measure the power in or out of the devices? The one method that I know works for sure is to multiply the current by the voltage, both functions of time, and then integrate. Jim Williams, now of Linear Tech, wrote an article on how to build such a device. Another method is to plot the current and voltage as functions of time and do the multiply and integration by hand. So the reason I'm posting this is to ask the question, so who do you believe and how do you know who's telling the truth. I am still amazed at the people who will argue power factors with odd shaped, non-sinusoidal, waves. Ed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 19:33:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA15746 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com (ix8.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15737 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA20791; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:32:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:32:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199601050332.TAA20791@ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.154 From: eacet@ix.netcom.com (Ed Cloud ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Hello Robert: I agree with you on all your points and in particular the need for a reliable master reference. I do believe, though, that an effort on the part of the more educated and experienced people to help the less of us learn and progress is also in order. I am sure that there are many who subscribe to this list who sit in silence trying to figure things out for themselves, fearful of asking questions and hoping someone else will do it for them. I will openly admit (and risk severe flaming in doing so) that I know little about electronics. I took several classes in electronics and computers years ago but was a rather poor student despite my best efforts. This does not, however, detract from my desire to learn and maybe have a breakthrough of my own one day. I read an interview a number of years ago where a respected scientist (I cannot remember his name) said something like "We have the best training, labs, and equipment in the world, but we must keep careful watch on the crazies experimenting in their basements because they will go in directions and to places we will not." That gave me the courage to dive into something I know nothing about and I am sure that there are many others like me. For myself, any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated as it would prevent the very mistakes you mentioned. With all that blather out of the way, I will sit down, shut up, and try to learn something. I hope everybody on this list had a great holiday season and wish all the very best in the year to come. Ed From bszekely@ciao.trail.bc.ca Thu Jan 4 21:39:12 1996 Received: from ciao.trail.bc.ca (bszekely@ciao.trail.bc.ca [142.231.5.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA09013 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by ciao.trail.bc.ca (8.7.3/CIAO-1.4) id VAA04137; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:40:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:40:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.155 From: Blaise Szekely Subject: Info re discussion group To: bilb@eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Dear Sir: I read the notes outlining the scope and purpose of your discussion group on unconventional physics. A retired gentleman (my father) and a former engineer, Etienne Szekely has some interesting ideas on alternate theories about atomic physics. He would very much like to find a discussion group where he might outline his ideas and get reactions from others. If you don't think your group is appropriate for him, could you suggest other groups that he should consider joining? Thank you in advance for your help. Yours sincerely, Blaise Szekely From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 23:14:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA29053 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com (ix11.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.11]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA29048 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA29818; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:13:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:13:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199601050713.XAA29818@ix11.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.156 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: fnrg Resonance To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Gary; That's right! I believe Reich's cloudbuster can be used to extract energy from a volume. Dennis Lee You wrote: >This just reminded me of an unusual story someone told me. Sorry that >this is all very anecdotal. > >A gentleman was doing some cloudbusting experiments from his back yard. >His son started yelling that there was a vertical visible beam to the sky >originating from a large corporate location nearby. After awhile it faded, >but he did some asking around, and was told that they were doing some >scalar research there. Apparently, in asking around, he also drew their >attention. A couple of people came to his door and asked if he was doing >cloudbusting. He said yes, but wanted to know how they knew. They told >him that the cloud formations running straight north and south only occur >when someone is using a cloudbuster. > >That might sound pretty hokey, and I don't know how relevant it is, and don't >even know if it is true, so I debated whether to even promulgate it, but >it's just one of those loose ends that could possibly mean something to someone. > >Gary >------------------------------------------------------------- >Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today >http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 4 23:16:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA29590 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com (ix8.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA29572 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA17751; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:53:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:53:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199601050653.WAA17751@ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.157 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D To: ross@pacificnet.net Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Ross; We would like to contribute to your documentary on magnetism and anti-gravity. We are professional computer animators. We are interested in helping others who need high quality computer graphic animations of their anti-gravity device. We could produce these animations illustrating the operating principal of these devices. We have also have worked with T.T. Brown devices in the past. What is the time schedule for submitting device demonstrations? We are presently putting together a new set of demonstrations. We have photos of previous experiments; It would almost be as much effort to rebuild the old equipment as put together the new, however. Dennis Lee & Veredith Keller From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 00:25:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA14456 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA14413 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:24:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601050824.AAA14413@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 00:30:53 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.158 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: fnrg Resonance Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:13 PM 1/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Gary; > > That's right! I believe Reich's cloudbuster can be used to extract energy from a >volume. > >Dennis Lee > Sorry everybody, I'm in a world of hurt with a tooth problem. Anyone who would like to tackle an explanation of a cloudbuster for the message on it before this one by Dennis, is more than welcome. Dennis, someone told me that they pointed one at their pickup truck and it stalled. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 01:02:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA21869 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA21841 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p6.aa.net (s3c2p6.aa.net [204.157.220.154]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA12096 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:58:44 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601050858.AAA12096@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 12:59:29 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.159 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Where's the beef? Eat this! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Your ideas are good ones but for the most part are not implementable in a simple linear fashion. I believe that the InterNet cooperation paradigm shift is helping to create conditions suitable to a more orderly examination of the "fringe" stuff (which of course MEANS ONLY that relatively only a few people have looked at the phenomenon and/or claims involved). Look at Bill Beatty's beauty, his website, as an example of a caring, sharing, dedicated horse and buggy effort at helping "weird" mysteries become somehow more explicable and explicatable (hmmm never tried that phraseology before) to a wider group of people and talents. This he does because he loves it. Doesn't make a dime at it. To get the kind of coordination you are talking about takes a fulltime "publishing"like committment, such as Eugene Mallove is doing with Infinite Energy Magazine, which is especially focused on supporting the cold fusion research, along the lines you are calling for below. Ask Eugene what it costs in money and personal time - A LOT, thus it requires either commercial funding or cooperative gov or foundation support. Institutional funding is logically impossible, for the most part, because the fringe is always just beyond the ability of rational calculus, thus it must take the form of cooperative individual support from people with a hunch, an intellectual twist, maybe a psychic impression, or the plain cussedness to delight in looking where other people fear to tread, or maybe just the ignorance or foolishness to not know theoretically what they shouldn't being doing. The forms of cooperation which are emerging through listservs on the internet are of fundamental socio-political importance and will lead in the direction of your ideas by a process of steady evolution of the cybernation of information, references, leads, discussions, messages such as this one, regular communication, etc. So work this listserv. Virtual community. The beginning of the end of Madison Avenue centralized publisher/broadcasting paradigm. Contribute. Organize some material. Send it to Bill for posting into his website, or any website for that matter. Take a particular fringe invention and spend a few months to garner every citation there ever was about it. Or something. Just do it. In about 60 days or so I will have at least one high capacity internet server at my command, possibly two. We are going to offer some trully kickbyte cybertools to people who want to contribute to crystalizing the gestalt of new paradigms. t 04:59 PM 1/4/96 EST, you wrote: >With the growing number of claimed over unity devices floating about, one >cannot help but be confused by the contrasting claims for and against these >devices. > >For example, the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier was claimed to be over unity, >then shot to bits on the internet. Now we hear that there are again claims >that the device is over unity, and from T.E, Bearden himself, that >ungrounded oscilloscopes must be used, and that indeed measurments may >indicate over unity operation. > >And the Adams motor, claimed over unity, and claimed to be debunked as >well. Lets see, there's the N machines, The Vaccum Triode Amplifier, and >many many more. > >The confusion is deeper than performance metrics, a recent post claims that >the secret to the Moray over unity device has been found, but the >descriptions of the "tube" differ markedly from what little original >material exists on Moray's work. Where's the germainum gone, and the third >electrode? > >I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these >devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and >it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for >and against each device. > >Only with such a reference could newcommers to this field begin an >objective investigation of these devices and the claims made. Such a list >need not be limited to over unity devices, T.T. Browns work, and others can >also be included, such as alternitve health devices and the like. > >Once compiled, and placed on a web site, such a collection of objective >data would be a significant start at introducing a bit of coherence into >this field, and foster a more professional and objective environment for us >all to persue our desires and dreams. > >It is my opinion, that close to half the effort invested by people >interested in this field is lost spinning wheels and barking up the wrong >trees. There are a good many of these devices that just do not work, but >people put their limited resources into them none the less. Later, they at >times find that the design they have been working on has been objectivly >shown to be a dead end. This is not good for the field as a whole. >Internal incoherence wastes too much of the far too limited time effort and >money expended. People even forgo health care in the hope that a device >will cure them, when the version of the device they hold hope for was >abandon by it's own inventor quite early in their investigation. (i.e. >Tesla coil driven Multi-Wave oscillators are more harmful than helpful, >Lakhovisky abandon them, and made special tubes, easily replaced today by >commercially produced chips) > >Whats worse, is that I have seen situations where a "true beleiver" denys >that the device they choose to persue does not work, they loose their >objectivty, and rumors spread that such and such device does indeed work as >described, when the most basic tests show that it does not. >Not only was the effort wasted, but a researcher has become lost, and more >misinformation is generated to trap still more new to the field or device >in question. > >With a master reference, researchers can make more informed choices on >which devices to persue, or know what objections will be raised to >modifications of existing devices claimed to be already debunked. > >Lets put more science into the so-called fringe. > >Opinions? > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 01:02:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA21880 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA21865 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p6.aa.net (s3c2p6.aa.net [204.157.220.154]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA12100 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:58:51 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601050858.AAA12100@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 12:59:36 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.160 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:32 PM 1/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hello Robert: > >I agree with you on all your points and in particular the need for a >reliable master reference. I do believe, though, that an effort on the >part of the more educated and experienced people to help the less of us >learn and progress is also in order. I am sure that there are many who >subscribe to this list who sit in silence trying to figure things out >for themselves, fearful of asking questions and hoping someone else >will do it for them. > >I will openly admit (and risk severe flaming in doing so) that I know >little about electronics. I took several classes in electronics and >computers years ago but was a rather poor student despite my best >efforts. This does not, however, detract from my desire to learn and >maybe have a breakthrough of my own one day. > >I read an interview a number of years ago where a respected scientist >(I cannot remember his name) said something like "We have the best >training, labs, and equipment in the world, but we must keep careful >watch on the crazies experimenting in their basements because they will >go in directions and to places we will not." That gave me the courage >to dive into something I know nothing about and I am sure that there >are many others like me. > >For myself, any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated as it >would prevent the very mistakes you mentioned. > >With all that blather out of the way, I will sit down, shut up, and try >to learn something. > there are many dimensions of mind thought which can be brought to bear on anything. this board is not exclusively electronics. the only thing you should be flamed about is your fear of being flamed here. flaming here is considered to be in the same league as a bad case of bad breath, certainly to be avoided as soon as you can possibly move away. there are many levels of minds lurking here, from the dumb "don't have a clue" to the genious "don't have a clue". when walking through the woods in unknown territory at night with no moon, all levels of dumbness are on an equal plane. this listserv is a channel between people who are on such a walk, each in a different woods. find a message which holds some interest. start asking about it. begin leads to help you take a step. we are all here for the best of reasons, not for the conventional social stuff. best wishes on your walk, and since I rarely have the time to read free energies posts, you may not hear from me directly again, but it is not because of who you are, it is because of who I am. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 02:52:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA14043 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 02:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kaos.deepcove.com (kaos.deepcove.com [206.12.208.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA14035 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 02:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepcove.com by Kaos.deepcove.com; Fri, 5 Jan 96 02:49 PST Received: by deepcove.com id A9979wk Fri, 05 Jan 96 02:47:11 X-UIDL: 834952770.161 From: greg.birdsall@deepcove.com Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <9601050247.A9979wk@deepcove.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 02:47:11 Subject: fnrg: free design To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design information of a device I have recently designed and built. It is a micro- current stimulator ,similar in function to several units which are sold for up to $700. Basically it outputs a complex square wave which can be used for cellular healing, tissue regeneration, pain control, acupuncture therapy, etc. I am making this available to demonstrate the principles and assume no responsibility for what you do with the information. I have found the device very beneficial and would like to make the technology available to everyone. If you want the schematic I will e mail it to you as a scanned 80k gif file or as the original schematic in the Tango format. Search Lycos, electromedicine for lots of info on these devices. Send requests to greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 06:08:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA20792 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.64]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA20766 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ad00951; 5 Jan 96 14:00 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa29472; 5 Jan 96 13:59 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:11:12 X-UIDL: 834952770.162 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1368@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 61 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Thursday 4, January 1996 you wrote : > With the growing number of claimed over unity devices floating about, one > cannot help but be confused by the contrasting claims for and against these > devices. Don't I know! > I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these > devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and > it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for > and against each device. Definitely! Entries for each item could be tagged as rumour, iffy, verified, etc. > Only with such a reference could newcommers to this field begin an > objective investigation of these devices and the claims made. Such a list > need not be limited to over unity devices, T.T. Browns work, and others can > also be included, such as alternitve health devices and the like. I'm into antigravity myself! > Once compiled, and placed on a web site, such a collection of objective > data would be a significant start at introducing a bit of coherence into > this field, and foster a more professional and objective environment for us > all to persue our desires and dreams. This sounds like one of those really cool ideas :-) > With a master reference, researchers can make more informed choices on > which devices to persue, or know what objections will be raised to > modifications of existing devices claimed to be already debunked. > Lets put more science into the so-called fringe. > Opinions? Let's start! Somebody will need to be able to provide FTP or HTTP access - perhaps billb could put it on his webspace? And people will need to maintain it. It could be advertised so that people can supply their research claims for devices, and so that it will get /used/. For a start, we could troll through all the files at Bill's website, and elektromagnum, as well as postings here. Regards, ABW -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 06:16:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA21776 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA21768 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA07175 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:01:39 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA820860788 Fri, 05 Jan 96 08:53:08 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 08:53:08 X-UIDL: 834952770.163 From: "reim" Encoding: 1228 Text Message-Id: <9600058208.AA820860788@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, This is bob reim. I and a few others in this group have been working on T.T.Brown devices. What kind of information do you have on past experiments? I try to collect all the input I can on this subject to help with my research. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/5/96 7:07 AM Hi Ross; We would like to contribute to your documentary on magnetism and anti-gravity. We are professional computer animators. We are interested in helping others who need high quality computer graphic animations of their anti-gravity device. We could produce these animations illustrating the operating principal of these devices. We have also have worked with T.T. Brown devices in the past. What is the time schedule for submitting device demonstrations? We are presently putting together a new set of demonstrations. We have photos of previous experiments; It would almost be as much effort to rebuild the old equipment as put together the new, however. Dennis Lee & Veredith Keller From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 06:32:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA24083 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA24061 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA09573 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:31:42 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA820862579 Fri, 05 Jan 96 09:22:59 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 09:22:59 X-UIDL: 834952770.164 From: "reim" Encoding: 2408 Text Message-Id: <9600058208.AA820862579@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re: fnrg: free design Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This sounds to me like a TEN's device or a muscle stimulator. About 12 years ago I designed a large one ( 10 channel output) for a few health stores. I did a lot of research before I designed it and I worked with one medical doctor. There are very specific safety rules that must be followed in the design and use of this equipment. The output must be a constant current waveform and cannot exceed ( I forget the exact value) a certain amount (based on the current and pulse width) per government regulations. This is a class 2 medical device. Back when I designed one there were warnings against pregnant women using it either here or in Japan, either way I remember doctors in Japan had problems with this device. The output waveform should have a soft start i.e.: the square wave must ramp up to the final value. If not, when the output is pulsed on it can sting. Also getting the right electrodes is important for comfort. Depending on the design of the waveform the output voltage at the electrodes can be 60 to over 100 volts so be careful. Also the unit should or must ( I forget what the regulation were ) be powered buy a battery for safety reasons. bob reim reim@advantor.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: free design Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/5/96 2:47 AM I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design information of a device I have recently designed and built. It is a micro- current stimulator ,similar in function to several units which are sold for up to $700. Basically it outputs a complex square wave which can be used for cellular healing, tissue regeneration, pain control, acupuncture therapy, etc. I am making this available to demonstrate the principles and assume no responsibility for what you do with the information. I have found the device very beneficial and would like to make the technology available to everyone. If you want the schematic I will e mail it to you as a scanned 80k gif file or as the original schematic in the Tango format. Search Lycos, electromedicine for lots of info on these devices. Send requests to greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 10:10:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA29287 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29229 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA07340; Fri, 5 Jan 96 13:07:36 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Fri, 5 Jan 96 13:08:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:35:00 EST Message-Id: <4F06+23KvkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.165 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A cloud Buster is a strange device developed by Wilhem Riech back in the '30 or there abouts. Cloud busters are claimed to be capable of weather modification, and claims have even been made that Reich once "shot down" a UFO with one of these. (Ugg, a pick up truck powered UFO?) One of the most interesting things about the Cloud buster, is that even today, it is illeagal (to my understanding) for me or anyone to teach anyone else how to build one of these devices, as it is still classified as an "Infernal Machine". While I know of no instance of anyone being prossicuted for possesing or exchanging technical information on cloud buster construction or operation, it is worth while to note that Reich's books are banned, and were burned by the FDA long ago. I had the good fortune to find one of his original books over seas. Consisting of little more than a series of condutors bundled together, with special electrical grounding and such, these devices do (in my experience) appear to produce odd effects. You could build one of these devices for short money spent at your local hardware store. A Cloud Buster has these tubes mounted on a swivel so that the ends of the tubes can be swung accross the sky to "draw" esoteric energies, and alter the flow of these energies in the local environment. Grounding should be made only to clear runing water. In some installations, a device known as an "Accumulator" is placed in series with the ground system. While many books published fairly recently detail Reich's accumulators and other devices, I have not seen anything published recently on the construction details of a cloud buster. I guess you have to find the plans in a dark alley, where someone just happend to have dropped them for you in advance. I do understand that there are reports of people who have built these devices being harrased, but cannot confirm this as fact. Technicaly, possesion or operation of a cloud buster is still illeagal today. Most interesting is that an operating cloud buster appears to have a dramatic effect on the operation of random event generators, and that electrostatic anomalies exist even long after the device has been disassembled and removed from it's location. I's liked to have continued to think Reich was a nut case as I had done before reading some of his works, but having seen smallish cloud busters operate, I must confess these things scare me just a bit. (which is cool in a way.) I think I just dont want to beleive a lot of what Reich said. If anyone has more current knowlage of the leagal status of the cloud buster, please do let me know. I cannot understand how the FDA was able to cary out their suppression of Reich's written works, and that even today, that is can be illeagal to exchange the plans for one. National Insecurity? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 12:29:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA26445 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA26388 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com) by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA190973708; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:28:33 -0800 Received: by ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA108853641; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:27:21 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.166 From: "Behdad Forghani" Message-Id: <9601051527.ZM10883@ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:27:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ed Harada "Re: fnrg: Where's the beef?" (Jan 4, 8:13pm) References: <199601050313.UAA27151@xmission.xmission.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello, On Jan 4, 8:13pm, Ed Harada wrote: > Never the less, when I see talk about using power factors on > non-sinusoidal waves, I just shake my head and wonder what on earth > people are talking about. > >-- End of excerpt from Ed Harada Ed, I am not sure why you are so irritated by people using the concept of power factor for non-sinusoidal waves. If you take the avarage voltage (RMS) across a system then avarage current through the system you could calculate the power for that system if the load was purely resistive by these two figures alone. However, as you know if you have a complex impedance (capacitance + inductance) your consumed power will be less than what you get by multiplying RMS current and voltage. This ratio is called a power factor. Actually, you mention this fact yourself in your post. Any periodic waveform is sum of many sinusoid as you know from your fourier series course. Each component of the fourier series sees a different power factor because the reactance of inductors and capcitors change based on the frequency. But the overall power is the sum of the powers of each component wich becomes the sum of volatge * current * power factor for each frequency component. The concept of power factor itself makes sense for any non DC signal and non purely resistive load. What does not make sense is trying to correct that with a power correction network. Again, yourself probably know that your power company measures the average current with the meter and electricity meters are just simple ameters. If you have inductive motors or fluorescent lights without power factor correction caps you could correct the power factor and save yourself money. This is because your signal is a 60 Hz sinusoidal. If your waveform is not a single frequency sinusoid you can not correct the power factor with capacitors and inductor but you can measure or calculate it. I think talking the power factor makes sense in context of free energy since for a free energy device output power must be bigger than the input. A great emphasis must be put on the fact that power is not always a product of RMS current and RMS voltage. This is very elementary for people with good knowledge of electronics and electricity but may not clear to some. Regards, Behdad -- Behdad Forghani -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Protocol Test Centre (Hewlett-Packard) e-mail: | 3333 Place Cavendish, Suite 501 phone # : 514-856-6706 | St-Laurent, Quebec fax # : 514-856-6659 | H4M 2X6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________ / \ \ ' / / \ \ /| / / \ ' | \ / \ | Made of 100% .______.\ / ' | / recycled electrons \ | \' .'_______|/ \ /`. | / \ / \ | \ \ / /\ | \ \ / / `| \ \ / / /| \ / \___/___________ / |__________\__/ \ |/ | / \ |\ | / \_____________| \ |__________/ \| From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 13:52:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA11679 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA11666 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id QAA18897 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:41:47 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA820888484 Fri, 05 Jan 96 16:34:44 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 16:34:44 X-UIDL: 834952770.167 From: "reim" Encoding: 1530 Text Message-Id: <9600058208.AA820888484@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Where's the beef? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have a question about power correction network that have always bugged me. I could probably look it up in one of my college text books but maybe you can shorten it up for me. Anyways how can a power correction network save you money? doesn't it only save the power company money because the meters they use does not take into effect the phase angle between the voltage and current i.e. they us an amp meter as you stated? This means more IR losses in their transmission lines which is on the other side of the meter. bob reim reim@advantor.com you wrote: The concept of power factor itself makes sense for any non DC signal and non purely resistive load. What does not make sense is trying to correct that with a power correction network. Again, yourself probably know that your power company measures the average current with the meter and electricity meters are just simple ameters. If you have inductive motors or fluorescent lights without power factor correction caps you could correct the power factor and save yourself money. This is because your signal is a 60 Hz sinusoidal. If your waveform is not a single frequency sinusoid you can not correct the power factor with capacitors and inductor but you can measure or calculate it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 15:15:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA27791 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA27621 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com) by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA125223667; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:14:28 -0800 Received: by ptcmtl.montreal.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA233093609; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:13:29 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.168 From: "Behdad Forghani" Message-Id: <9601051813.ZM23307@ptcmtl07.montreal.hp.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:13:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: "reim" "Re[2]: fnrg: Where's the beef?" (Jan 5, 4:34pm) References: <9600058208.AA820888484@irout.advantor.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: fnrg: Where's the beef? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello, I somehow missed your original question. On Jan 5, 4:34pm, reim wrote: > I have a question about power correction network that have always > bugged me. I could probably look it up in one of my college text > books but maybe you can shorten it up for me. Anyways how can a power > correction network save you money? doesn't it only save the power > company money because the meters they use does not take into effect > the phase angle between the voltage and current i.e. they us an amp > meter as you stated? This means more IR losses in their transmission > lines which is on the other side of the meter. > > bob reim reim@advantor.com > >-- End of excerpt from reim For a simple sinusoidal input or the cases where most of your power is concentrated around a certain frequency, power correction networks do work. The best way to convince yourself is crunch numbers with a circuit simulation. But, the mechanics is like this: If you have a mixed let's say resistive and inductive load, your current will lag your voltage. When you put your power correction cap, the current is stored into cap and discharges into the inductor and the stored energy gets transferred back and forth between inductor and capacitor. This way, more energy (in fact the maximum possible energy) gets transferred to your system. There is a caveat though, you might draw more current after power correction. Let's say you have an iron which has some inductance. If you put power correction capacitance in series with it the system becomes resonant and draws more current. But at the same time your system is now 100% efficient and the RMS value of the power you draw is the same as the RMS value of voltage times the RMS value of the current. This way, all the current drawn will be spent in warming up the iron. In the case of iron, given the same AC voltage, you can increase the resistance of your iron and draw less current and do the same amount of work. This way, you end up drawing less current to do the same amount of work. In the above example you put a cap in series and made your system more efficient but drew more current. You could also put a cap in parallel and create a parallel resonance. In this case you see that the system is drawing less current. Again, it works by energy being stored in cap and transferred back into the system. Regards, Behdad -- Behdad Forghani -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Protocol Test Centre (Hewlett-Packard) e-mail: | 3333 Place Cavendish, Suite 501 phone # : 514-856-6706 | St-Laurent, Quebec fax # : 514-856-6659 | H4M 2X6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________ / \ \ ' / / \ \ /| / / \ ' | \ / \ | Made of 100% .______.\ / ' | / recycled electrons \ | \' .'_______|/ \ /`. | / \ / \ | \ \ / /\ | \ \ / / `| \ \ / / /| \ / \___/___________ / |__________\__/ \ |/ | / \ |\ | / \_____________| \ |__________/ \| From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 15:27:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA00368 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00347 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA15956 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:34:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:34:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199601052334.SAA15956@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.169 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Test and Measurement Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings : Couldn't agree with you more, Ed. How many times have I seen a press release or post stating some hugh overunity gain, only to see that number dwindle over time to just under 99%? Too many... I can't blame folks, the truth is that test and measurement is a black art of sorts; you learn it by working in the field with seasoned professionals. I got my start working for a man who built and sold RMS power meters; I learned alot from him both directly and as a result of measuring various experiments we conducted. Towards that end, I believe that a FAQ about measurement would be far more useful to the alternative energy researcher than a list of inventions. Robert's point is well taken, but I have reservations about how accurate such a list can be. What I suggest is, that such a list be compiled which contains only data taken directly from the source or from those directly associated; if you want to learn about Moray read his book. I've seen so much crap written by third parties, I wonder if some of it is deliberate disinformation. Towards that end I will post excepts from the Moray book, that which was written by him and published. I have a nice hardbound copy of this text, and these parts are still difficult to read. Plus, his children have whited out key sections. But, for what it is worth, it will be posted seperately. But back to the topic of test and measurement. If anyone would like to collaborate on the FAQ, drop me a line. I'll be posting more in the future as time permits, but help from others would be greatly appreciated. K. knagel@cnct.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 15:28:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA00458 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00427 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16062 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:35:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:35:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199601052335.SAA16062@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.170 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Moray Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings : As promised, the handwritten portions or Morays book. Question marks indicate unreadable spots in the text ( I scanned this stuff in and used various image enhancements to get this far, maybe someone has more ). I suggest buying a copy of the book, as he makes reference to diagrams which do not appear in this post. (blank) indicates the whited out portions. Page 69 This was originally explained to Dr. Carl Eyring of the NYU with attorney RL Judd present in my home in 1925 and later to Dr. Fletcher of Bell Laboratories in the fall of 1928. Later to Dr. Murray C. Hayes and later was incorporated in the RE patent application of july 13 1931 serial # 550611. The moray valve and circuit ???? shown on the drawings figures 1, 2 & 3 and were there described in more detail. The valve used a metal envelope shown as # 135 to which (blank) (bismuth?) was attached at 136 by fusing (blank) was or one might say may be used to the (blank) by fusing. The sulphide being ???ated from ???? 135 at point 138. Portions of germanium were used at point 130 between 136,127 and 139. It has been found that germanium prepared by the Moray mixture which was explained to Dr. Hayes ???? Thomas and there in march 1931 as had been explained to Dr. Fletcher in detail. ???? been sworn not to disclose ???? they saw only to isolated lots of data they regard. Or fletcher had been placed under oath at Judges request by ???? in the presense of RL judd and reaffirmed before me that Dr. Fletcher was ????? ???? ???? Often referred to a detector tube ?? valve houses this Moray valve. The "rounded stones" shown drawing as small body containing (blank) and germanium compressed in the hard rounded stone. Germanium may be mixed with other materials explained to Dr. Fletcher and Hayes and others. This rounded stone is supported as shown in the drawings (blank) These combinations of materials are used in the various radio hookups which receive radio in good strength without conventional power supply. Radio has been in operation at a home at ???? (a house address) experimental research ?? years. No batteries ??? RE ??? batteries used. There at the ??? in the RE powered radio ??? scores of people heard ???? bring in admiral byrd from Little America. (Blank) ???? metal combinations of Moray mixture of the germanium as explained ???? above named ???? showed somewhat in application 550611 ??? used Dr. Hayes wording as he wants the application. Germanium and Moray Germanium mixture has some very unique properties in functioning in the Moray valve used as a booster or amplifier show several valves connected in circuit together as has been shown. There ??? values for more complete information see other disclosures all made after putting ??? under promise to tell no one but they ??? told all I was doing was to establish a date of conception of ???? and to maintain as much protection and ??? by establishing there date. Page 68 More than one Moray Valve ??? used ??? may be used as rectifiers of oscillators. The stone of the valve or stones are made of very very pure germanium mixed with various substances which are explained elsewhere. Have used "Moray Lead" ???? forms bromide being used as keeping valve at slightly raised temperature which right mixture will (blank) who used (blank). Care must be used in alloying germanium with other substances as too much other matter added increases conductivity and germanium loses it's properties as ???? valve, as rectifier and oscillator. Honeycomb coil or D'ario tuning or any type of tuner can be used. Note reversed tube connections of plate and grid. AC tubes may be used to make it a light socket radio if desired. Shunt plate to A- as shown. Can use bypass condenser in shunt if desired. ( arrow leads to this statement ) Shunt can be made to the "A" terminal. Wonderful quiet this way. Or even to the grid. Or may go from plate through RF coil or tuner to the + or - terminal of a battery. (Circuit diagram appears here ) Lead X from plate to condenser ??? coil may be omitted. Either hookup can have more tubes added. Say two RF amplification. One or two audio F amplifications. Tuning is very broad. Have not worked on tuning of these sets as my shortest antenna is 300 feet long by 90 feet high and takes tuning which average one would not. It's not the form of amplification I set any claim to but the method of amplification is only! shown with the detecting. These detectors will work with any kind of amplification. The use of the grid as one of the output terminals to headset or amplifier and one of the "A" battery terminals directly or otherwise as the other terminal to speaker or phones. Page 71 The Moray germanium mixture gives certain unique results in functioning as a valve and or booster ( amplifier ). Made in form of rounded stones or pellets compressed under high pressure and fused. Combination contains bismuth, iron sulphide, pure germanium metal, (blank with two commas leaving three spaces ), triboluminescent ????? fastened to envelope with pure tin in place of solder. Bismuth pellets fused to side. Germanium mixture pellets float between other pellets but making firm but needle point like output. Have used selenium too, which has some of the properties of germanium. Germanium works best when impurities are ????. MV means moray valve and booster same fused rounded stone or pellet of moray mixture of germanium. See written instructions on how to make mixture. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 15:28:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA00523 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00487 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16090 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:35:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:35:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199601052335.SAA16090@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.171 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: re> Clarification on EM Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Will Beaty writes : " In water, if I stop time, then carve a ripple shape into the water surface, when I restart time which way will the ripple go? It is symmetrical, so why should it go either way? In fact, when time is restarted, the area with the ripple becomes a standing wave for awhile, and eventually ends up as TWO ripples going off in opposite directions." Interesting point. This can be achieved experimentally; consider the following circuit. Three transmission lines are arranged with all grounds common and two switches connecting the inner conductors. The two free ends of the circuit are terminated in a matched impedence. With both switches open, charge the center transmission line. This is a "static" wave, and is identical to the water analogy you described. By closing both switches simultaneously, a wave of half the amplitude of the charge on the center line will propagate down both transmission lines, as you predict. Of course, by "stopping time" and carving the ripple, you are in essence imposing a static potential on the water, which carries no current. When you "restart time", current will flow in whatever direction it can. Much like watching a drop of water spread on a hydrophillic surface. He also writes "What makes an EM wave propagate in one direction or the other? If I slice one "hump" out of an EM wave and let it go out on it's own, what will determine its direction of propagation? (I think I know the answer, actually.)" I don't understand this; perhaps you can restate the question? Keith. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 15:40:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA02630 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.64]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02589 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ad27038; 5 Jan 96 22:46 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa07434; 5 Jan 96 22:45 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:04:29 X-UIDL: 834952770.172 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1373@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 37 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Friday 5, January 1996 you wrote : > A cloud Buster is a strange device developed by Wilhem Riech back in the > '30 or there abouts. > > Cloud busters are claimed to be capable of weather modification, and claims > have even been made that Reich once "shot down" a UFO with one of these. > (Ugg, a pick up truck powered UFO?) > Most interesting is that an operating cloud buster appears to have a > dramatic effect on the operation of random event generators, and that > electrostatic anomalies exist even long after the device has been > disassembled and removed from it's location. So exactly what does it do? > If anyone has more current knowlage of the leagal status of the cloud > buster, please do let me know. I cannot understand how the FDA was able to > cary out their suppression of Reich's written works, and that even today, > that is can be illeagal to exchange the plans for one. Seeing as I'm in the UK, do you think they'd mind if I happened to end up with some plans, if I were to, say, email them to you guys? :-) Regards, ABW -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 15:51:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA21377 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21311 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from t11.dialup.peg.apc.org (t11.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.139]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id JAA27968 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:41:11 +1000 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:41:11 +1000 Message-Id: <199601052341.JAA27968@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.173 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >A cloud Buster is a strange device developed by Wilhem Riech back in the >'30 or there abouts. > >Cloud busters are claimed to be capable of weather modification, and claims Robert....you've got me fascinated! Sounds like a typical Psychotronic Generator of some form. Robert Pavlita rediscpvered this device and I have tracked down a source of information in England about them...including constructional articles. Psy Gens come in 2 categories - those that work off cosmic energy and those than work off stored focused thought. I can give you contacts if required. I would be "most" interested in starting a private dialogue about the Cloudbuster - reason being I write a national Australian newsletter which goes out to around 5000 clients and some of them are scientific experimenters. I have heard of the Cloudbuster before and I believe there is some info about it kicking around out here somewhere. My thinking is that if I run an artice about it to my client list I could "flush out" those who have "hidden" info. The Aussies are a very helpful race of people and hate anything to do with government secrecy so I'm sure that I'll will get some feedback. I would be quite happy (being a helpful Australian!) to send you whatever data I've got on psychotronic machines including the psychkinetic and "death" devices that the US govt have banned. (I've got constructional details for this latter machine). Let me know to my personal Email address..... Cheers Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL THINKING NEWSLETTER From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 21:43:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA24237 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com (ix.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA24229 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA09255; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:40:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:40:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060540.VAA09255@ix.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.174 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Biefeld_Brown... To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rick; Finding the ion acoustic frequency (IAF) is too complex to get into in this message. I would recommend getting: Tapping The Zero-Point Energy by Moray B. King Paraclete Publishing P.O.Box 859 Provo, UT 84603 IEEE Proceedings of the Tesla Symposiums '84 - present One can then begin to get a handle on the subject. Basically, the IAF is a function of the mean free path of the positive ion of a material. If the ion is vibrated at a frequency which produces an amplitude equal to the mean free path, the ion will vibrate (resonate) collisionlessly. I have seen papers which suggest that this condition shifts over time however. Again, I believe that considerable study is required on this subject to be proficient. Dennis Lee You wrote: > >Dennis > >You wrote: > >>I would think that the DC pulse frequency to strive >>for would be the ion acoustic resonant frequency of >>the dieletric. Zero point energy would then orthorotate >>into our dimension increasing the Biefeld - >>Brown effect? > >That sounds like something worth trying. How would I go about establishing the >ion acoustic resonant frequency of a given material? I was thinking of casting >a dielectric made of epoxy or urethane (both come with good dielectric strength >and a pretty good K), and maybe loading it with titanium dioxide powder to see >if I can get a higher net K based on the crystalline structure of the TiO2, >which I think has a K of 150 or so. But that seems to imply multiple >frequencies, which tends to defeat that idea. Maybe a simpler composition of >dielectric material would work better. Anyway, How would a test be done to >identify and differentiate that ionic frequency from the simple resonant >frequency of the sample for a given thickness? > >Thanks for the idea, > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 21:52:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA25227 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA25219 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA23246; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:50:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:50:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060550.VAA23246@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.175 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Tesla Photo. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Robert; The photo i refered to shows the right side of Tesla seated reading a book. Tesla takes up the middle third of the photo. On the wall to the left side of Tesla, (back wall facing the camera, wall takes up 2/3 of photo) are concentric wires of a pancake type Tesla transformer. There is no electrical discharge apparent. Dennis You wrote: > >"The photo is one of Tesla seated on a chair reading a book. On the >wall behind him is what looks like a pancake Tesla coil. The only thing >I can conclude from the picture is that the coil on the wall is somehow >helping Tesla read the book." > >If this is the picture of Tesla reading by light of the arcs from the coils, > >a well known photo of Tesla, you are looking at a double exposure. The >coils >were not active while Tesla was seated. > >This photo was produced for publicity, and is described in some of the >published litrature on Tesla. > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 22:02:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA26337 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26327 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA08708; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:59:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:59:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060559.VAA08708@ix3.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.176 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Mag Xmitter. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Robert; I'd like to refer to the '84 IEEE Tesla Symposium. P.70 - 'Likewise, a phase changed current would travel through a generator coil with no resistance. Having undergone the change it would become a super-current in a non-superconducting conductor.Such a condition would allow a generator to maintain a current without an external power source.' Dennis You wrote: > >>1. If the electromagnetic radiations are reduced to insignificant >quantities, >> wouldn't very little power be drawn from the primary? > >No, if the impedences are correctly matched, the system will still "load >up" and draw maximum power in the out of phase condition, like as is the >case in a transformer with two secondaries shorted out of phase, maximum >current draw. > >>2. 'storing indefinitely the energy of the primary exciting impulses' >seems to >> also suggest that power is not used in the primary. > >I do not read this from the original material. It may state that the >system will "store" the power input through the primary in the total >potential of the system. > >I read this material in Tesla's book Experiments with Alternating Currents >of high Frequency and Potential I beleive, or something quite close to >that. > >I can get the exact reference if you wish. I had quoted this paragraph in >great detail in a past post on the subject, along with my insights on the >device. > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 22:53:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA02059 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:52:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com (ix12.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.12]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02049 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA29385; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:51:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:51:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060651.WAA29385@ix12.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.177 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Robert; Where did you get this info? Dennis You wrote: >People even forgo health care in the hope that a device >will cure them, when the version of the device they hold hope for was >abandon by it's own inventor quite early in their investigation. (i.e. >Tesla coil driven Multi-Wave oscillators are more harmful than helpful, >Lakhovisky abandon them, and made special tubes, easily replaced today by >commercially produced chips) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 5 23:05:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA03429 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03402 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA23484; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:04:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:04:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060704.XAA23484@ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.178 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bob; I have posted a summery of our earlier research in a previous message. Basically, there seems to be a tuning phenomenon with asymetrical electrode pairs under vacuum. When tuned, spinning plasma takes up most of the space between the electrodes. In an untuned state, the plasma collapses into tiny blobs that spin on the electrodes themselves. Dennis You wrote: > > > Hi, This is bob reim. I and a few others in this group have been > working on T.T.Brown devices. What kind of information do you have on > past experiments? I try to collect all the input I can on this > subject to help with my research. > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D >Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet >Date: 1/5/96 7:07 AM > > >Hi Ross; > > We would like to contribute to your documentary on magnetism and >anti-gravity. > > We are professional computer animators. We are interested in >helping others who need high quality computer graphic animations of >their anti-gravity device. We could produce these animations >illustrating the operating principal of these devices. > > We have also have worked with T.T. Brown devices in the past. What >is the time schedule for submitting device demonstrations? We are >presently putting together a new set of demonstrations. We have photos >of previous experiments; It would almost be as much effort to rebuild >the old equipment as put together the new, however. > >Dennis Lee & Veredith Keller > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 05:02:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA26211 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 05:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.swip.net (mailbox.swip.net [193.12.122.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA26204 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 05:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from swipnet.nic.swip.net (tty4-12.swipnet.se [193.13.2.12]) by mailbox.swip.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA28978 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:02:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:02:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199601061302.OAA28978@mailbox.swip.net> X-Sender: m-12419@mailbox.swip.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.179 From: tommy.andersson@mbox2.swipnet.se (Tommy Andersson) Subject: fnrg: May it be X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: May it be possible to use Coax Wire collector as described in ether2.gif and replytvq.asc on Keely Net as a dq/dt Blocker in the device described in fig 8 of Beardens article Chasing the Wild Dragon ? Comment ? ------ Knowledge is power Knowledge is not Wisdom Wisdom is to use Knowledge right There's a lot of Knowledge without Wisdom ------- Tommy Andersson tommy.andersson@mbox2.swipnet.se ------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 09:03:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA12483 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rt66.com (mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12478 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.59.162.40] (pma20.rt66.com) by Rt66.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02468; Sat, 6 Jan 96 09:57:23 MST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 10:03:50 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.180 From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A > >I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these >devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and >it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for >and against each device. I suggest the following: 1. Start with a list of devices. 2. Post this list and let people choose which device(s) to report on. 3. Let one or more people collaborate on a word processor file with diagrams to describe the device. 4. Convert the word processor file to html by running it through an html convertor. Yes, they do exist. 5. Send the resulting html files along with gif graphics to bill and/or other friendly folks for easy posting at a web site. Also include the original word processor files for downloading as ftp. I suggest Word 5.x for the word processor since most word processors can read or convert these files. 6. I also strongly suggest that a bibliography of best reading materials be included with each file. We badly need bibliographies so that people can read the best books and articles to get up to speed and not waste time on reading the garbage. Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal "Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design" Sing, Dance, Laugh, and Play... Have You Had Your Quota Today? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 12:14:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA02388 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA02380 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from t7.dialup.peg.apc.org (t7.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.135]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id HAA13996 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:13:27 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:13:27 +1000 Message-Id: <199601062113.HAA13996@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.181 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: May it be Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all those list members who emailed me requesting U.S. source of Remote Viewing to assist in their business/personal ventures here is a fairly low priced contact who also run Rving instructional courses: PSI tel 301-884 5856 1005 Bosse Drive, Mechanicsville, MD. 20659 Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 12:24:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA03717 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kaos.deepcove.com (kaos.deepcove.com [206.12.208.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03709 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepcove.com by Kaos.deepcove.com; Sat, 6 Jan 96 12:21 PST Received: by deepcove.com id A7189wk Sat, 06 Jan 96 11:37:51 X-UIDL: 834952770.182 From: greg.birdsall@deepcove.com Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <9601061137.A7189wk@deepcove.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 96 11:37:51 Subject: fnrg: RE: FNRG: FREE DESIGN To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There are a few people interested in my cellular stimulator design. I will send them the schematic and design information. By the way the unit is powered by a 9 volt battery and does meet medical regulations although I have no intention of marketing the device. Bye for now. greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 13:07:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA08683 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA08675 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id NAA09516; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:07:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:07:04 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.183 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:41:20 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? > Lets put more science into the so-called fringe. > > Opinions? THIS is the most intellegent proposal I have seen/heard of so far!!! I have been trying to locate a copy to the mag. Race Boat & Industry News for 1973. I saw an article on permanent magnet motors that a Proffessor had invented. He had a demonstration model that weighed 40lb mounted on a lazy susan/ turntable and was being powered by a hand held 8oz magnet. There aren't any copies of the mag in the archives anywhere that I can find and I've been looking for 15 years for that one. I thought that possibley the Adams machine was similar??? I personaly would like to have a database to be able to compare previous attempts with and be able to try something new or just bag that idea or concept and move on to something more promising. Maybe the 1931?? Tesla Box that ran the car for a week???? > > With the growing number of claimed over unity devices floating > about, one cannot help but be confused by the contrasting claims for > and against these devices. > > I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of > these devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each > device and it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running > list of claims for and against each device. > > Only with such a reference could newcommers to this field begin an > objective investigation of these devices and the claims made. Such > a list need not be limited to over unity devices, T.T. Browns work, > and others can also be included, such as alternitve health devices > and the like. > > Once compiled, and placed on a web site, such a collection of > objective data would be a significant start at introducing a bit of > coherence into this field, and foster a more professional and > objective environment for us all to persue our desires and dreams. > > With a master reference, researchers can make more informed choices > on which devices to persue, or know what objections will be raised > to modifications of existing devices claimed to be already debunked. > ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 13:10:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA09012 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08996 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from t7.dialup.peg.apc.org (t7.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.135]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id IAA19000 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:10:03 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:10:03 +1000 Message-Id: <199601062210.IAA19000@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.184 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: RE: FNRG: FREE DESIGN Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Re: Ultimate source of info on Remote Viewing. I have just spent the weekend putting together all the material relating to the astounding CIA release on Rving (Nov 29th) plus their follow-up denials (right after Jimmy Carter's extroadinary confirmation of the project) and finally the response from America's totally brassed-off professional Rvers who actually worked for the US Govt. on this project. The report I've compiled is a definitive document on what it is, who is doing it and the actual process itself. This report is 18 pages and it's about to go out to my confidential subscriber list....but if anyone on Bill's list wants an email copy contact me at jfrancis@peg.apc.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 16:45:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA03205 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.64]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03183 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ac24174; 7 Jan 96 0:28 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa16840; 7 Jan 96 0:27 GMT Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:46:20 X-UIDL: 834952770.185 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1381@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 38 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Saturday 6, January 1996 you wrote : > I suggest the following: > > 1. Start with a list of devices. > > 2. Post this list and let people choose which device(s) to report on. > > 3. Let one or more people collaborate on a word processor file with > diagrams to describe the device. That sounds a mighty good idea to me. The difficulty is in deciding what's a good claim and what isn't :-) > Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU > WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ > ------------------------------------------------------- > Institute for Planetary Renewal > "Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design" > > Sing, Dance, Laugh, and Play... > Have You Had Your Quota Today? -- Far far away People heard him say I will find a way There will come a day Something will be dome Then at last the mighty ship descending on a point of flame Made contact with the human race at Mildenhall... "Let there be more light", Pink Floyd a saucerful of secrets Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 20:20:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA26964 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26948 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:19:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601070419.UAA26948@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 20:27:06 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.186 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Subject: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D >Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet >Date: 1/5/96 7:07 AM > > >Hi Ross; > > We would like to contribute to your documentary on magnetism and >anti-gravity. > The folks doing the documentary are welcome to use the picture of an ion wind device I tested, (which most of you already know about) at: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/nipd/nipd2.html I lost track of the original post on this. I would like to know if it is used, so I can track down a copy of the show. I didn't receive a single comment on it, probably because it didn't work. Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 22:06:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA07667 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sashimi.wwa.com (root@sashimi.wwa.com [198.49.174.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA07662 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by sashimi.wwa.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tYoFF-001VvEC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 00:06 CST Message-Id: X-UIDL: 834952770.187 From: robert@wwa.com (Robert Stirniman ) Subject: fnrg: Johnson Motor & Kawai Motor To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:06:17 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "William Beaty" at Jan 6, 96 01:07:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Bill Beatty asks: > I have been trying to locate a copy to the mag. Race Boat & Industry > News for 1973. I saw an article on permanent magnet motors that a > Proffessor had invented. He had a demonstration model that weighed > 40lb mounted on a lazy susan/ turntable and was being powered by a > hand held 8oz magnet. There aren't any copies of the mag in the > archives anywhere that I can find and I've been looking for 15 years > for that one. Hi Bill. I think the device you are referring to is known as the Johnson Motor. A patent for this device was awarded to Howard Johnson in 1979 -- US patent #4151431. Johnson's device is a passive (all magnet) design which he claims results in perpetual motion. Scott Little saw this device in person once, and described it in this discussion group -- or in some other correspondence. After they saw Johnson's device, they went home and built a model in the lab, and it didn't work. One thing I recall, is that he said Johnson's prototype was built by using a Lazy Susan as the armature. I don't know if the Johnson motor works. Based on the cover of his patent, where Johnson shows a graph relating to the properties of the ferrite magnet used -- Johnson apparently believed that the type of magnet is very important. But no where else in the patent, is the type of magnet ever mentioned. How he got this simple device, which overtly claims to result in perpetual motion through the patent office, is a mystery. Johnson's patent expires next year. A Japanese motor company (Nihon Rihen) has apparently been waiting in the wings, and was awarded a US patent this summer, #5436518, for a motor (Kawai Motor) that has many features in its magnetic circuit that are remarkably similar to Johnson's device. Kawai's invention uses active electromagnets in its stator rather than passive permanent magnets. When operated as a generator, the Japanese claim that it produces over unity power. It may be the real McCoy. Gene Mallove, editor of Infinite Energy, has a video tape for sale which was produced by the Japanese to describe the operation of the Kawai generator. There have also been some exciting comments about it on Japanese TV -- to the effect that it produces more output power than it takes in. It looks to me, like the Japanese may have snuck this invention by the US patent examiner by posturing it as just another of a nearly endless variety of electronic commutated brushless DC motors. The patent is very long, and will bore you to death. There is no mention of perpetual motion or over-unity in the patent description. But, there are a few odd paragraphs and sentences in the Kawai patent, including one paragraph which describes input and ouput power. This is done in a confusing way -- maybe intentionally confusing. But if you look carefully at the numbers, and if you are capable and willing to make a few calculations on the side, you will find that it claims to be an over-unity device. Could it be that we have let Johnson's ideas sit for 17 years, and have now handed off rights to the thing to the Japanese? I'm sure they won't sit on this for very long. Are any US motor companies working on it? I doubt if they even know about it. Because it is scientifically impossible, don't you know. If it works it's a multi- mega-billion dollar market. But afterall, we wouldn't want to do any damage to our wonderful electrical utility and petroleum industries. Besides, how could we live without fossil fuel pollution? Robert Stirniman (robert@wwa.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 22:36:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA10482 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA10459 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:36:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601070636.WAA10459@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 22:44:36 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.188 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:41 AM 1/6/96 +1000, you wrote: >categories - those that work off cosmic energy and those than work off >stored focused thought. -------------------------- [Many thanks to Alaric B. Williams for the kind words. Feeling mo' betta' now.] -------------------------- Caution on cloudbusters. They seem to have a lot of energy phenomena associated with them that are not understood, and can be deleterious to the health. There is something Reich called "Melanor", which actually shows as a gradual buildup of black dust on equipment and its surroundings, and makes people sick. A cloudbuster appears to be able to draw from the sky the cohesive energy that helps water particles stick to each other and make clouds, or something along that line. This energy would be closely related to "prawna", "vril", "chi", and others described by various cultures, and is then also related to life energy itself, as described by Reich, hence dubbed by him "Orgone" energy, where the "gone" in that rhymes with "tone". The term is related to the word "organic", for living matter and so on. Looking that up in the dictionary can be illuminating. The term organic has a various related meanings. It is complex, but cb's are proported to be able to be used in a way that forms clouds, rather than breaking them up. If you stare at a fluffy white cloud, after about four minutes of constant attention on it, anyone should be able to notice it dissolving. With repeated tests, it is likely that anyone can objectively determine for themselves that it is far more predictable than chance would be. I was demonstrating that to someone once. They were religious as I found out. They didn't think it would work, and were quite calm until it worked, and then they accused me of practicing witchcraft. If it is a very large cloud, a hole can practically be drilled in it. A tape I happened across, produced by a school for training private investigators cautioned students from looking directly at the back of someone's head when trailing them, because, as they explained, they don't know why but it tends to get their attention. I had an ad for a cloudbuster on the web for someone, but was asked to remove it. There's a default page still there which has a link to some related information: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/cbuster.html Cheers, Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 22:47:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA11533 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA11521 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:47:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601070647.WAA11521@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 22:55:39 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.189 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Search function for Bill Beaty's Science Site Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >For a start, we could troll through all the files at Bill's website, and >elektromagnum, as well as postings here. > >Regards, > > >ABW > There is a search function available now for Bill's pages, to be spruced up later, and doesn't act on subdirectories, but is a mild start. Anyone could place it on their own pages. (I'll give the proper credit to the person who wrote it at a later date). http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/search.htm I hope it works from outside this particular server. Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 6 23:24:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA15065 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA15039 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from t9.dialup.peg.apc.org (t9.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.137]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id SAA00247 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:23:09 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:23:09 +1000 Message-Id: <199601070823.SAA00247@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.190 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Caution on cloudbusters. They seem to have a lot of energy phenomena >associated with them that are not understood, and can be deleterious to >the health. There is something Reich called "Melanor", which actually >shows as a gradual buildup of black dust on equipment and its >surroundings, and makes people sick. > >A cloudbuster appears to be able to draw from the sky the cohesive >energy that helps water particles stick to each other and make clouds, >or something along that line. This energy would be closely related to >"prawna", "vril", "chi", and others described by various cultures, and >is then also related to life energy itself, as described by Reich, hence >dubbed by him "Orgone" energy, where the "gone" in that rhymes with >"tone". The term is related to the word "organic", for living matter and >so on. Looking that up in the dictionary can be illuminating. The term >organic has a various related meanings. > Gary...there's a book on psychotronic mind-projection devices you may not have seen. It's readily available. Mind Machines you can Build.. by Harry Stine Top-of-the-Mountain publications PO Box 2244 Pinellas Park Florida 34665-2244 Fax 813 536 3681 Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 04:21:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA11345 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 04:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA11340 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 04:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id EAA11953; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 04:13:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 04:13:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199601071213.EAA11953@ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.191 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: One might start with: "The Manual of Free Energy Devices and Systems" by D.A. Kelly "The Free-Energy Device Handbook" by David Hatcher Childress They are both available from The Tesla Book Co. P.O.Box 121873 Chula Vista, CA 91912 BTW. John Searle's books - "Law of Squares" is available here also. There are also a number of interesting video tapes. Dennis Lee You wrote: > >In your message dated Saturday 6, January 1996 you wrote : > >> I suggest the following: >> >> 1. Start with a list of devices. >> >> 2. Post this list and let people choose which device(s) to report on. >> >> 3. Let one or more people collaborate on a word processor file with >> diagrams to describe the device. > >That sounds a mighty good idea to me. The difficulty is in deciding what's a >good claim and what isn't :-) > >> Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU >> WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Institute for Planetary Renewal >> "Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design" >> >> Sing, Dance, Laugh, and Play... >> Have You Had Your Quota Today? > >-- > >Far far away >People heard him say >I will find a way >There will come a day >Something will be dome >Then at last the mighty ship descending on a point of flame >Made contact with the human race at Mildenhall... > >"Let there be more light", Pink Floyd a saucerful of secrets > >Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk >Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 05:53:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA14776 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 05:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hugin.oden.se (root@[193.45.240.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA14764 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 05:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup15-hugin.oden.se by hugin.oden.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0tYvAw-000BAlC; Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:30 MET Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:30 MET X-Sender: connyo@hugin.oden.se (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.192 From: connyo@oden.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: Re: fnrg: free design Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design >information of a device I have recently designed and built. ... >... If you want the schematic I will e mail it to you as a scanned 80k gif file >or as the original schematic in the Tango format. >Search Lycos, electromedicine for lots of info on these devices. >Send requests to greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca > > I would like you to send these schematics and design information in GIF-format to me. From billb@mail.eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 08:33:23 1996 Received: from eskimo.com (billb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA23573 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id IAA28168; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.193 From: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: Updated Electrogravitics List (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 07:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: Updated Electrogravitics List (fwd) .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:42:26 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Stirniman To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Updated Electrogravitics List This file contains an electrogravitic reference list -- copied ad hoc from various other files and sources. Prepared by: Robert Stirniman (robert@wwa.com) This Update: Dec 16, 1995 Danger Will Robinson! Some of the following information is serious, and some is nonsense. Some of the things that might at first seem to be nonsense, are not. And some of the things which are from serious credentialed sources, are in fact nonsense. But either way, it's been included here. Good luck sorting it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet Sites Elektromagnum web site by David Jonsson: http://nucleus.ibg.uu.se/elektromagnum KeelyNet: http://www.protree.com/KeelyNet/ Los Alamos National Lab Physics E-Print Archive: http://xxx.lanl.gov/ Center for Gravitational Physics and Geometry: http://vishnu.nirvana.phys.psu.edu/ The Institute For New Energy, Patrick Bailey, homepage : http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Norman Redington's website, The Net Advance of Physics, recent preprints and papers describing new developments in physics: http://pobox.com/~redingtn Weird Science, Anomalous Physics, and Tesla Society: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University's Aerospace Virtual Library: http://macwww.db.erau.edu/www_virtual_lib/aerospace.html Jack R. Hunt Memorial Library (aerospace): http://amelia.db.erau.edu/ American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics (AIAA) home page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/aiaa/national NASA Langley Research Center Library: http://blearg.larc.nasa.gov/library/larc-lib.html NASA Scientific and Technical Information: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/STI-homepage.html Levesque's (laurent@ee.umanitoba.ca) web site: http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~laurent UFOs and the New Physics: http://www.hia.com/hia/pcr/ufo.html Interstellar Propulsion Society: http://www.digimark.net/ips/ Nexus Magazine web page: http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ The Society for the Advancement of Autodynamics website: http://www.webcom.com/~saa Popular Mechanics' Tech Update Article Archive: http://popularmechanics.com/cgi-bin/wais.pl Fortean web site: http://www.clas.ufl.edu/anthro/fortpages.html. Borderland Sciences Research Foundation ftp site: ftp: northcoast.com/pub/bsrf ------------------------------------------------------------- Two reports are available which were prepared for the USAF, about electric propulsion, and are specifically related to the idea of unification of the electromagnetic and gravitational fields. "Electric Propulsion Study", By Dennis L. Cravens of SAIC Corp, Prepared for the (former) Astronautics Laboratory, Air Force Space Technology Center, at Edwards AFB. August 1990. This number is at the top of the cover page: AL-TR-89-040 "Twenty First Century Propulsion Concept", by R.L. Talley of Veritay Technology Inc, East Amherst NY. Prepared for the Phillips Laboratory, Air Force Systems Command, Propulsion Directorate, Edwards AFB. May 1991. This number is at the top of the cover page: PL-TR-91-3009 These reports can be obtained from the "Defense Technical Information Center" (DTIC). Cameron Station, Alexandria VA 22304, 800-225-3842 Electric Propulsion Study TABLE OF CONTENTS Page PREFACE ........................................... 1 I. INTRODUCTION ...................................... 2 1.1 Background and Theoretical Developments ....... 4 1.2 Measurement ................................... 6 1.3 Force Fields .................................. 8 1.4 Chirality - Odd Number Space-Like Dimensions .. 11 II. THEORIES .......................................... 13 2.1 Introduction .................................. 13 2.2 General Framework of Theory ................... 14 2.2.1 Born - Infield ............................ 17 2.2.2 Lande' .................................... 19 2.2.3 Podolsky .................................. 20 2.2.4 Corben .................................... 21 2.2.5 Flint ..................................... 21 2.2.6 Ingraham .................................. 21 2.2.7 Arctan Potential .......................... 23 2.2.8 Milne ..................................... 24 2.2.9 Williams .................................. 25 2.3 Development of 5-D EM Equations ............... 27 2.3.1 Modifications to Maxwell's Equations ...... 33 2.3.2 Lorentz Forces in 5-D ..................... 36 2.3.3 Wave Propagation in 5-Space ............... 38 2.3.4 Limits to Conversion Rates ................ 40 2.3.5 Reduction to Newton's Laws - PPN .......... 41 2.3.6 Thermoelectric Potentials in Gravity Field. 43 2.3.7 Field Vectors and Equations in 5-D ........ 44 2.4 Conservation Laws ............................. 47 2.4.1 Conservation of Energy .................... 48 2.4.2 Conservation of Linear Momentum ........... 50 2.4.3 Conservation of Angular Momentum .......... 51 2.4.4 Conservation of Parity .................... 53 2.4.5 Conservation of Pseudovectors ............. 54 2.4.6 Conditions for Non-Conservations .......... 58 2.5 Vacuum Fluctuations ........................... 60 2.6 Quantum Considerations ........................ 62 2.7 Compatibility of 10-D String Theories ......... 68 2.8 Mach's Principle .............................. 69 2.9 Rosen's Bi-Metric Theory ...................... 72 2.10 Non-Conservation .............................. 74 2.11 Particles in 5-D Spaces ....................... 76 III. EXPERIMENTS 3.1 Approach to Selection of Experiments .......... 78 3.2 Radiation Pressure ............................ 80 3.3 Biefield-Brown Effects ........................ 83 3.4 Conductive Submarine .......................... 88 3.5 Gravitational Rotor ........................... 89 3.6 Spin Aligned Nuclei -- Magnetic and Rotational Alignment ............ 90 3.7 Non-Inductive Coils ........................... 94 3.8 EM Transparency of Conductive Media ........... 100 3.9 Magnetic Loop ................................. 101 3.10 Speed of Light in a Mass Flow ................. 103 3.11 Charged Torque Pendulum ....................... 105 3.12 Thermoelectric/Gravitational Effects .......... 107 3.13 Binary Pulsar ................................. 107 3.14 Proton Scattering ............................. 107 3.15 Inertial Mass Variation ....................... 107 3.16 An Improper Experiment ........................ 108 IV. CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS .................. 110 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jorge Pullin Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:55:17 -0500 (EST) Matters of Gravity, a newsletter for the gravity community Author: Jorge Pullin (PSU), editor. Loops, knots, gauge theories and quantum gravity Rodolfo Gambini and Jorge Pullin ; foreword by Abhay Ashtekar. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1996. Cambridge monographs on mathematical physics ISBN 0-521-47332-2 (hc) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Salem, Kenneth G. The new gravity : a new force, a new mass, a new acceleration : unifying gravity with light / Kenneth G. Salem. 1st ed. Johnstown, PA : Salem Books, c1994. xiii, 181 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC794.6.G7 S26 1994 SUBJECTS: Unified field theories. Gravitation. Electromagnetic interactions. ISBN: 0962539813 Green, James A. Gravitation & the electroform model : from general relativity to unified field theory / by James A. Green. 7th ed. [Wichita, Kan.] : Greenwood Research, c1994. 33 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .G68 1994 SUBJECTS: Gravitation. Unified field theories. Astrophysics. "Wichita State University Physics Graduate Seminar, Dec.1993 and Dec. 1994" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A book 'Ether Technology' (and others): International Tesla Society 330-A West Uintah Street - Suite 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80905-1095 __________________________________________________________________ Another very interesting research on anti-gravity is done (and still going on) by the Japanese prof. Shinishi SEIKE. He published his findings in the book " The Principles of Ultra Relativity ". For his highly mathematical (no nonsense) book write to: Shinichi SEIKE G Research Institute Box 33 UWAJIMA/Ehime (798) JAPAN _________________________________________________________________ US Patents Awarded to Townsend Brown -- 300,311 T.T.Brown Nov. 15, 1928 A Method of and an Apparatus or Machine for Producing Force or Motion 1,974,483 T.T.Brown Sept. 25, 1934 Electrostatic Motor 2,949,550 T.T.Brown Aug. 16, 1960 Electrokinetic Apparatus 3,022,430 T.T.Brown Feb. 20, 1962 Electrokinetic Generator 3,187,206 T.T.Brown June 1, 1965 Electrokinetic Apparatus 3,296,491 T.T.Brown Jan. 3, 1967 Method and Apparatus for Produc- ing Ions and Electrically-Charged Aerosols 3,518,462 T.T.Brown June 30, 1970 Fluid Flow Control System ______________________________________________________________________ Patents for anti-gravity devices and systems have been issued to Brown, Hooper, and Wallace. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- US Patent #3,610,971. "All Electric Motional Electric Field Generator", Awarded to William Hooper, April 1969 US Patent # 3,656,013. "Apparatus for Generating Motional Electric Field", Awarded to William Hooper, April 1972 Hooper, W. J. (1974). New Horizons in Electric, Magnetic and Gravitational Field Theory, Electrodynamic Gravity, Inc. 1969 "Electric Propulsion Study", Dr. Dennis Cravens, SAIC Corp, prepared for USAF Astronautics Lab at Edwards AFB, August 1990 -- Section 3.7 Non-Inductive Coils Several authors have suggested that v x B term in the Lorentz expression should be called into question. Several unverified experimental results have ever been made. An experiment is suggested to test one or several of these theoretical views. This is an area where the experimental procedure is workable and the outcome could have direct results in the area of inertia forces. During the late 60's William J. Hooper put forth an interesting theory involving the v x B terms dynamic electrical circuits. There was and is uncertainty as to the exact physical understanding of the Biot-Savart-Lorentz law and Ampere's law involving the set of reaction forces. Peter Graneau has studied these expressions. Hoopers view was that there are three different types of electric fields due to the distribution of electric field, and two due to induction. At the heart of the issue is the connection of the magnetic field and its source in the charged particles. EM theory is presently consistent with the idea that spinning magnetic dipoles create effects indistinguishable from charged particles. There has been no critical experiment which can disprove whether a magnetic flux rotates with its source. If it does co-move with its source then it is logical to assume that a motional electric field in a fixed reference frame of the current induces a magnetic field. This concept is likewise consistent with a field-free interpretation such as Ampere's original laws. (with 4 pages more about Hooper's theories) FREE FALL OF ELEMENTARY PARTICLES: ON MOVING BODIES AND THEIR ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCES, by Nils Rognerud 1994 (nils@ccnet.com) (available at the elektromagnum web site) This paper is a review of the problem of the observable action of gravitational forces on charged particles. The author discusses the induced electric fields and the sometimes overlooked unique physical properties. He analyzes several experiments, showing the reality of the induced electric fields. The current interpretation, based on the idea of only one electric field, with certain characteristics, is compared with alternative approaches. The Hooper Coil: The author has tested a setup by pulsing strong currents, opposite and equal, through multiple parallel conductors. The configuration of the conductors in this type of experiment will cancel the B-fields, while still producing an Em field, in accordance with Eq. 4.2. This is similar to an experiment by Hooper (W. J. Hooper), who successfully predicted and measured the motional electric field - all in zero resultant B-field. Interestingly, all of the above experiments can influence an electron with a zero B-field, in the region of the electron. This has some profound implications - one of which is that the motional electric force field is immune to electrostatic or magnetic shielding. Experimentally, it can be confirmed that the motional electric field is immune to shielding and follows the boundary conditions of the magnetic (not electric) field. The only way to shield a motional electric field is to use a magnetic shield around the source of the magnetic flux - containing it at the source. These effects are not startling if one remembers that the motional electric field is a magnetic effect and that a magnetic field has a different boundary condition than the electric field. EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS OF HOOPER'S GRAVITY-ELECTROMAGNETIC COUPLING CONCEPT National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH. MILLIS, MARC G. WILLIAMSON, GARY SCOTT JUN. 1995 12 PAGES Presented at the 31st Joint Propulsion Conference and Exhibit, San Diego CA, 10-12 Jul. 1995; sponsored by AIAA, ASME, SAE, and ASEE NASA-TM-106963 E-9719 NAS 1.15:106963 AIAA PAPER 95-2601 Avail: CASI HC A03/MF A01 Experiments were conducted to test assertions from Patent 3,610,971, by W.J. Hooper that self-canceling electromagnetic coils can reduce the weight of objects placed underneath. No weight changes were observed within the detectability of the instrumentation. More careful examination of the patent and other reports from Hooper led to the conclusion that Hooper may have misinterpreted thermal effects as his 'Motional Field' effects. There is a possibility that the claimed effects are below the detection thresholds of the instrumentation used for these tests. CASI Accession Number: N95-28893 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- US Patent #3626605 -- "Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field" Awarded to Henry Wm Wallace of Ardmore PA Dec 14, 1971 US Patent #3626606 -- "Method and Apparatus for Generating a Dynamic Force Field" Awarded to Henry Wm Wallace of Ardmore PA Dec 14, 1971 US Patent #3823570 -- "Heat Pump" (based on technology similar to the above two inventions) Awarded to Henry Wm Wallace of Freeport NY July 16, 1973 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Gravity is a PUSH! United States Patent Number 5,377,936 NET KINETIC ENERGY DIFFERENTIAL GUIDANCE AND PROPULSION SYSTEM FOR SATELLITES AND SPACE VEHICLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In the early 1960s, Erwin Saxl conducted a series of experiments which seemed to illustrate a non-zero coupling between EM and gravitational fields. He claimed to see a change in the period of a torque pendulum when its electric potential was raised. US Patent # 3357253 -- "Device and Method for Measuring Gravitational and Other Forces", awarded to E.J. Saxl, December 1967 "An Electrically Charged Torque Pendulum", by E.J. Saxl, Nature 203, Page 136, July 11 1963. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- US patent number #5,076,971. Barker places radioactive elements inside the sphere of a Van de Graaff generator, runs it at a negative potential for several minutes/hours/days -- and finds that the rate of radioactive decay is extremely enhanced -- with some relationship to the magnitude of the negative potential. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is a reprint of an article that appeared in "Interavia, Volume XI - No. 5, 1956" a March 23, 1956 article titled "Towards Flight without Stress or Strain... or Weight" This article has a photograph of T.T.Brown holding one of his flying disks, and another photograph of the flying disk by itself. There is some info on the opperation of the electrokinetic apparatus. _____________________________________________________________________ The 1956 paper "The Gravitics Situation" (prepared by Gravity Rand Ltd., a division of Aviation Studies Ltd. This includes six appendices with papers by various authors including the text from T. Townsend Brown's 1929 gravitor patent. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Many documents on Gravitoelectrics/Electrogravitation refer back to the 1952 Project Winterhaven. That project is said to contain information on a Mach 3 Combat Disc. Also, have any records related to other Projects with Mr. T.T. Brown been produced. I have seen his Lab notes 1 - 3 - 4. I was looking for 2 - 5 & 6. Also, the Bahnson et al Brown lab notes during his research days at Bahnson Labs in North Carolina 1957-60 period or about. I have a poor chopped up Lab Video on the subject. I'm looking for the full video the 45 minute one. Mine is a mere 23 minutes. I have yet to track down an original document entitled: "The Flying Saucer: The Application of the Biefeld-Brown Effect to the Solution of Space Navigation" by Mason Rose. This 50's document details how a flying saucer operates. I have a copy of a re-write and it is outstanding. And I'm also looking for a document as seen on SIGHTINGS TV entitled: "PROJECT SILVER BUG" the 1955 USAF Flying Saucer Tests. Also, seeking a copy of PROJECT WINTERHAVEN by Thomas Townsend Brown on a MACH-3 Combat Disc. The British had a stake in as well as the USAF. It to is from the 1950's. -- James Hartman, CaluNET - Future Science Admin. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Biefeld-Brown (spelling is correct) effect is described generally as the anomalous tendency of high voltage flat capacitors to display movement towards (usually) the positive pole. Effects are most often seen at potentials above 50kv. Thomas Townsend Brown held a few patents on devices using it. It's very controversial and is part of the subject of "electrogravitics", as some say that the BB effect is actually polar gravity peeking out from behind a high electrical gradient within a dielectric. Claims are that the mass of the dielectric is a factor in the magnitude of the effect as well as the capacitance and the gradient intensity. Should be fairly easy for the home-workshop experimenter to get a look at, but the difficulty seems to be in isolating the effect from ionic wind and simple electrostatic propulsive effects. Skeptics claim that those forces are all it ever was, but a few reports indicate that they may be wrong. -- Rick Monteverde, Honolulu HI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The experiments involved freely suspended electrically charged capacitors, which were determined to possess angular momentum yet did not rotate. Source: Albert Einstein: Philosopher- Scientist, P. Schilpp, editor, 3rd ed., 1988, pp 522-523. Schilpp, Paul Arthur, 1897- ed. Albert Einstein: philosopher-scientist. [3d ed.] La Salle, Ill., Open Court [1970] xviii, 781 p. illus., facsim., ports. 25 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC16.E5 S3 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------- >From Richard Feynman's Lectures on Physics we learn that there is intrinsic field energy and momentum density associated with a static electro-magnetic field configuration. When there is a change in the magnetic field, this field energy and momentum can be directly converted into kinetic energy and mechanical momentum. Feynman illustrates this with an electromagnetic carousel paradox. In this paradox, a dielectric disk (which is embedded with small charged spheres along its circumference) rotates without any apparent "counter" torque in the system. Before this rotation occurs, the dielectric disk is immersed in a static magnetic field. The subsequent rotation occurs as a consequence to reducing the previously static magnetic field to zero. The angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy comes directly from the initial static magnetic field. "The Feynman Lectures on Physics" by Richard Feynman, R.B. Leighton, and M. Sands, Volume II p 17-6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Report on the T. Townsend Brown Conference: "Focus on Unconventional Energies: A Symposium on Electrical Propulsion & the Technology of Electro-Gravity" April 15-16, 1994 Philadelphia Community College, Philadelphia, PA This conference was held in tribute to Thomas Townsend Brown and I feel that it was a great success. About 15 speakers and 80 attendees provided a brief overview of Zero Point Energy theories, Free Energy devices, electrostatics theory, and antigravity experiments and documentation. Attendees came from as far away as California and Washington. The conference program advertised the following topics: "A Review of Advanced Energy Devices: Evidence, Promises, and Dangers" by Patrick Bailey (VP INE); "Thomas Townsend Brown's Electro-Gravities Research in the 1950's" by Tom Valone (Integrity Institute); "The Role of Electro-Statics" by Charles Yost (Electric Spacecraft Journal); "Thomas Townsend Brown's Research: A Challenge to Modern Science" by Elizabeth Rauscher (Tecnic Research Laboratories); "Electro-Gravitic Theory: Explaining the Operating Principle of Brown's Electric Disks" by Paul LaViolette (The Starburst Foundation); "A Panel Discussion on Biefield-Brown and Beyond;" "Vortices in the Zero Point Energy" by Moray King; "Design of a Compact Marx Generator Triggered by a Blumlein Capacitor" by George Hathaway; "Thomas Townsend Brown's Final Gravito-Electric Research" by Josh Reynolds (New Wave Partners); "Townsend Brown Effects Reviewed" by Ron Kovac; "Pushing the Boundaries: Electro-Hydro Dynamic Potentials ..." by Henry Monteith, and "Gravity Drop Tests" by Don Kelly (SEA). - Patrick Bailey I have the audio tapes from the T.T. Brown conference, 11 tapes in all, and I got a lot of good information from it. - Bob Reim (reim@advantor.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a connection between Townsend Brown and UFOs. Brown was the founder of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) Project Skylight, and Brown served as Vice Chairman pro tempore during during NICAP's organizational period in 1956. Partial biography of Thomas Townsend Brown: 1922-23, private research laboratory, Pasadena, California; 1924-25, special electronics research, Denison University, Department of Physics; 1926-30, private research laboratory (astrophysics), Zanesville, Ohio, in collaboration with Dr. Paul Biefeld, Swazey Observatory, Granville, Ohio; 1930-33, Naval Research Laboratory (radiation and spectroscopy), Washington, DC; ... 1938, Assistant Engineering Officer (Lt. jg USNR) shakedown cruise USS NASHVILLE to Europe; 1939-40, Materials and Processes Engineer (aircraft), Glenn L. Martin Company, Baltimore; 1940-41, Officer-in-charge (Lt. USNR), Magnetic and Acoustic Minesweeping, Research and Development, Bureau of Ships, Navy Department, Washington, D. C.; 1942-43, Officer-in- charge (Lt. Comdr. USNR), Atlantic Fleet Radar Materiel School and Gyro- compass School, Naval Operating Base, Norfolk, Virginia; 1944-45, Radar Consultant, Advanced Design Section, Lockheed Aircraft Corporation, Burbank, California; ... Also, there was a T.T. Brown on the Condon committee for UFO studies. And some of Brown's above described Navy duties are coincident with some of the times and places in stories about the Montauk Project/ Philadelphia Experiment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Quotation from a letter to William Moore from T. Townsend Brown dated 12/17/76 -- "I am still working on petroelectricity and the project is housed largely at Stanford Research Institute with additional assistance being provided by the University of California - Berkeley and the Ames Research center of NASA. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, while this project is being evaluated for funding by ERDA we should not and cannot publish details..." "Your next question concerns the airfoils. As far as I am aware, no rf is radiated. There is, of course, a static d.c. field which accompanies the airfoils in flight." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is very interesting to note that Townsend Brown was the pioneer in this field, and was not able to obtain very much support for his work until the 1950's. During that time, there was much discussion of gravity and antigravity within the aerospace industry and in the magazine "Aviation Week." Then the Gravity Research Group (GRG) published a detailed summary report of their review of research into "Electrostatic Motion, Dynamic Counterbary, and Barycentric Control" (i.e. "Antigravity"). This report is the last public report that any researchers have been able to find for us that deals with the physical effects of electrostatics, electrodynamics, and gravity control. (It is also worth noting that this report was found in the Wright Patterson Air Force Base Library "TL 565 A9" and was not listed in the library catalog). So, after the mid-1950's to the present, no other information regarding the technology of electrodynamics and its effect on gravity has been able to be found in any of the un-classified U.S. literature. - Patrick Bailey --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have the FIVE (5) lab books of TT Brown's R&D at the Bahnson Co. in Salem, N. Carolina 1958-9. I also have some other letters and drawings of the lab plus the only surviving 16mm colour film of the various stages of his work at Bahnson Labs. I was in contact with Dr Brown in 1983 by phone and by mail. He died of lung cancer not long after in Oct of 1985. He told me that a lot of people including Bill Morre had attributed more to his work than he had really done. In particular, he was only marginally connected with the Philadelphia Experiment as such. His main theme of R&D was dielectrics and the Biefeld-Brown effect. He was not an electromagnetics man... only electrostatics. From 1983 to 1991 or so I was in frequent communication with J. Frank King who was TT Brown's boss at the Bahnson Co. J. Frank was a good man and a good friend of mine. He, too, died in Dec 1989. Before he died I was given rights to reproduce and share letters, files, drawings, patent submissions, films etc from his personal files on TT Brown, George Adamski, Dr Ilka, T Henry Moray and others. J Frank warned me a long time ago to take what TT Brown said with a 'grain of salt' because Townsend had a habit of 'stretching the truth' a bit to get funding which he was always in need of.... So, I warn you now in good faith: If you seek lost or hidden technology in Brown's lab notes, I don't think you will find it there; however, I am prepared to make photocopies available to you. There are about 750 pages in all. I would need to charge you AUS$50 per notebook which would include the air mail charges as well. In US$ that would be about US$38 per notebook. The film is available as are the notebooks (I think) from The Electric Spacecraft Journal in the US (Charles Yost on 704-252-8083, FAX 202-683-3511. -- Stan Deyo -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As far as I know, the last thing Brown published before his death was, "On The Possibilities of Optical-Frequency Gravitational Radiation", 2/14/1976 and 8/30/1976. I don't know where it was originally published. But you can get copy from: Rex Research, P.O. Box 19250, Jean NV 89019 It is part of NR 046-BT2/B17-BRV "T. Brown: Petro-Voltaics" (Gravito-Electric Conversion). Most people think Brown was just into flying capacitors he was into much much more... -- Bob Paddock -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some titles by Townsend Brown: "The Wizard of Electro-Gravity: The Man Who Discovered how UFOs are powered." by William L. Moore. In UFO Report magazine. Unfortunately the issue date is not on this copy, and the magazine is at work. A lot of the same information can be found in the book "The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility" by William L. Moore with Charles Berlitz. Chapter 10 "The Force Fields of Townsend Brown". These two items are the same, I just don't know which one came first. Also there is more than one book with the title "The Philadelphia Experiment". You want the one with ISBN 0-449-20526-6. "The Townsend Brown Electro-Gravity Device: A Comprehensive Evaluation by the Office of NAVAL Research" 15 September 1952. Such as "How I Control Gravity by T. Townsend Brown" from Science and Invention Magazine Aug. 1929. "Townsend Brown and his Anti-Gravity Discs" by Gaston Burridge in Fate Magazine. No issue date is visible. "Electrical Self-Potential in Rocks" by T.Townsend Brown, some time after 1/1976, but again no source is visible. "Another Step Toward Anti-Gravity" by Gaston Burridge in The American Mercury, June 1958, p77. "Towards Flight without Stress or Strain... or Weight" by Intel, Washington, D.C. [Doesn't make since but that is what it says.] Some one just on the list here just reinvented "The Fluid Pump" by T.Townsend Brown for the Whitehall-Rand Group, Washington DC ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apparently, there are some VERY interesting clues to the nature of the universe that are related to the phenomenon of SPIN. It might get very interesting if someone were to make a project of assembling in one place all the information that has been observed, alleged, suspected, or speculated about concerning unexpected effects related to spin, along with all the traditional Newtonian results, stir, add some seasoning, and see what comes out. For example, in quantum mechanics, if you want to measure the spin axis of an electron, you do an experiment in which you ASSUME an axis, make a measurement of the correlation (the dot product) of that axis with the actual axis of spin for that electron, and theory says you can determine at least how close your guess was. It was a major surprise for the first expermienters with this to find that the guess was always right: whatever spin axis you assume turns out to be correct, exactly dead accurate. You must be a VERY good guesser. Out of this experimental result came the concept of "isospin". Which in itself is kind of weird in that objects with zero radius can still exhibit spinx. But I find the idea that the spin is wherever you guess it might be to be even weirder and to need a better model that predicts this result. -- John Sangster -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paper: GR-QC/9504023 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:43:50 +0900 Title: Pure spin-connection formulation of gravity and classification of energy-momentum tensors Author: Mathias PILLIN Report-no: YITP/U-95-12 It is shown how the different irreducibility classes of the energy-momentum tensor allow for a pure spin-connection formulation. Ambiguities in this formulation especially concerning the need for constraints are clarified. Paper: gr-qc/9207002 From: RCAPOVI%CINVESMX.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:52 CST Title: Remarks on Pure Spin Connection Formulations of Gravity Authors: Riccardo Capovilla and Ted Jacobson Abstract: In the derivation of a pure spin connection action functional for gravity two methods have been proposed. The first starts from a first order lagrangian formulation, the second from a hamiltonian formulation. In this note we show that they lead to identical results for the specific cases of pure gravity with or without a cosmological constant. Paper: hep-th/9210110 (Phys. Rev. D47, R5214 (1993).) From: pullin@mail.physics.utah.edu (Jorge Pullin) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:18:14 MDT QUANTUM EINSTEIN-MAXWELL FIELDS: A UNIFIED VIEWPOINT FROM THE LOOP REPRESENTATION, R. Gambini, J. Pullin, 13pp. no figures. We propose a naive unification of Electromagnetism and General Relativity based on enlarging the gauge group of Ashtekar's new variables. We construct the connection and loop representations and analyze the space of states. In the loop representation, the wavefunctions depend on two loops, each of them carrying information about both gravitation and electromagnetism. We find that the Chern-Simons form and the Jones Polynomial play a role in the model. Paper: gr-qc/9301012 From: porrati@MAFALDA.PHYSICS.NYU.EDU (Massimo Porrati) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 20:17:21 -0500 Massive Spin-5/2 Fields Coupled to Gravity: Tree-Level Unitarity vs. the Equivalence Principle, Massimo Porrati, 6 pages. I show that the gravitational scattering amplitudes of a spin-5/2 field with mass $m\ll M_{Pl}$ violate tree-level unitarity at energies $\sqrt{s}\approx\sqrt{mM_{Pl}}$ if the coupling to gravity is minimal. Unitarity up to energies $\sqrt{s}\approx M_{Pl}$ is restored by adding a suitable non-minimal term, which gives rise to interactions violating the (strong) equivalence principle. These interactions are only relevant at distances $d\lequiv 1/m$. Paper: gr-qc/9303014 From: ISTVAN@RMK520.RMKI.KFKI.HU Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 16:24:01 +0100 (WET) MAXWELL FIELDS IN SPACETIMES ADMITTING NON-NULL KILLING VECTORS, by Istvan Racz, 7 pages,PACS numbers: 04.20.Cv, 04.20.Me, 04.40.+c We consider source-free electromagnetic fields in spacetimes possessing a non-null Killing vector field, $\xi^a$. We assume further that the electromagnetic field tensor, $F_{ab}$, is invariant under the action of the isometry group induced by $\xi^a$. It is proved that whenever the two potentials associated with the electromagnetic field are functionally independent the entire content of Maxwell's equations is equivalent to the relation $\n^aT_{ab}=0$. Since this relation is implied by Einstein's equation we argue that it is enough to solve merely Einstein's equation for these electrovac spacetimes because the relevant equations of motion will be satisfied automatically. It is also shown that for the exceptional case of functionally related potentials $\n^aT_{ab}=0$ implies along with one of the relevant equations of motion that the complementary equation concerning the electromagnetic field is satisfied. Paper: gr-qc/9310007 (Physica Scripta 48, 649 (1993)) From: harald@nordita.dk (Harald H. Soleng) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:18:04 +0100 INVERSE SQUARE LAW OF GRAVITATION IN (2+1)-DIMENSIONAL SPACE-TIME AS A CONSEQUENCE OF CASIMIR ENERGY, H. H. Soleng, 10 pages, LaTeX, Report: UPR-0540-T, To appear in Physica Scripta. The gravitational effect of vacuum polarization in space exterior to a particle in (2+1)-dimensional Einstein theory is investigated. In the weak field limit this gravitational field corresponds to an inverse square law of gravitational attraction, even though the gravitational mass of the quantum vacuum is negative. The paradox is resolved by considering a particle of finite extension and taking into account the vacuum polarization in its interior. Paper: gr-qc/9310019 From: rri!bri@rri.ernet.in (B.R.Iyer) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 12:44:52 IST THE FRENET SERRET DESCRIPTION OF GYROSCOPIC PRECESSION B.R.Iyer and C.V.Vishveshwara , 37 pages, Paper in Latex. The phenomenon of gyroscopic precession is studied within the framework of Frenet-Serret formalism adapted to quasi-Killing trajectories. Its relation to the congruence vorticity is highlighted with particular reference to the irrotational congruence admitted by the stationary, axisymmetric spacetime. General precession formulae are obtained for circular orbits with arbitrary constant angular speeds. By successive reduction, different types of precessions are derived for the Kerr - Schwarzschild - Minkowski spacetime family. The phenomenon is studied in the case of other interesting spacetimes, such as the De Sitter and Godel universes as well as the general stationary, cylindrical, vacuum spacetimes. Paper: gr-qc/9310030 From: khatsymovsky Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 16:39:25 +0100 Can wormholes exist? V.Khatsymovsky, 10 pages, Plain LaTeX, preprint UUITP-20/1993 Renormalized vacuum expectation values of electromagnetic stress-energy tensor are calculated in the background spherically-symmetrical metric of the wormhole's topology. Covariant geodesic point separation method of regularization is used. Violation of the weak energy condition at the throat of wormhole takes place for geometry sufficiently close to that of infinitely long wormhole of constant radius irrespectively of the detailed form of metric. This is an argument in favour of possibility of existence of selfconsistent wormhole in empty space maintained by vacuum field fluctuations in the wormhole's background. Paper: gr-qc/9311036 From: jaegukim@cc.kangwon.ac.kr (professor) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:47:52 +0900 Gravitational Field of a Moving Spinning Point Particle, by Jaegu Kim, 7 pages, AMS TEX, KWTP93-2 The gravitational and electromagnetic fields of a moving charged spinning point particle are obtained in the Lorentz covariant form by transforming the Kerr--Newman solution in Boyer--Lindquist coordinates to the one in the coordinate system which resembles the isotropic coordinates and then covariantizing it. It is shown that the general relativistic proper time at the location of the particle is the same as the special relativistic one and the gravitational and electromagnetic self forces vanish. Paper: hep-th/9402046 From: LANDI@SUHEP.PHY.SYR.EDU Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 15:09:39 -0500 (EST) GRAVITY AND ELECTROMAGNETISM IN NONCOMMUTATIVE GEOMETRY, Giovanni Landi, Nguyen Ai Viet, Kameshwar C.Wali, 1 + 11 pages, Report # SU-4240-566, We present a unified description of gravity and electromagnetism in the framework of a Z2 noncommutative differential calculus. It can be considered as a ``discrete version" of Kaluza-Klein theory, where the fifth continuous dimension is replaced by two discrete points. We derive an action which coincides with the dimensionally reduced one of the ordinary Kaluza-Klein theory. Paper: gr-qc/9404016 From: David Garfinkle Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 17:44:50 -0400 Generating new magnetic universe solutions from old. By David Garfinkle and M.A. Melvin. 17 pages In this paper we apply the techniques which have been developed over the last few decades for generating nontrivially new solutions of the Einstein-Maxwell equations from seed solutions for simple spacetimes. The simple seed spacetime which we choose is the "magnetic universe" to which we apply the Ehlers transformation. Three interesting non-singular metrics are generated. Two of these may be described as "rotating magnetic universes" and the third as an "evolving magnetic universe." Each is causally complete - in that all timelike and lightlike geodesics do not end in a finite time or affine parameter. We also give the electromagnetic field in each case. For the two rotating stationary cases we give the projection with respect to a stationary observer of the electromagnetic field into electric and magnetic components. Paper: gr-qc/9404065 (Phys. Rev. D50 (1994) 6190) From: carroll@marie.mit.edu (Sean Carroll) Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 16:35:00 -0400 Energy-Momentum Restrictions on the Creation of Gott Time Machines, by Sean M. Carroll, Edward Farhi, Alan H. Guth, and Ken D. Olum. Plain TeX, 41 pages incl. 9 figures. MIT-CTP #2252. The discovery by Gott of a remarkably simple spacetime with closed timelike curves (CTC's) provides a tool for investigating how the creation of time machines is prevented in classical general relativity. The Gott spacetime contains two infinitely long, parallel cosmic strings, which can equivalently be viewed as point masses in (2+1)-dimensional gravity. We examine the possibility of building such a time machine in an open universe. Specifically, we consider initial data specified on an edgeless, noncompact, spacelike hypersurface, for which the total momentum is timelike (i.e., not the momentum of a Gott spacetime). In contrast to the case of a closed universe (in which Gott pairs, although not CTC's, can be produced from the decay of stationary particles), we find that there is never enough energy for a Gott-like time machine to evolve from the specified data; it is impossible to accelerate two particles to sufficiently high velocity. Thus, the no-CTC theorems of Tipler and Hawking are enforced in an open (2+1)-dimensional universe by a mechanism different from that which operates in a closed universe. In proving our result, we develop a simple method to understand the inequalities that restrict the result of combining momenta in (2+1)-dimensional gravity. Paper: gr-qc/9405050 From: MATSAS@IFT.UESP.ANSP.BR Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 15:01 BSC (-0300 C) DO INERTIAL ELECTRIC CHARGES RADIATE WITH RESPECT TO UNIFORMLY ACCELERATED OBSERVERS?, George E.A. Matsas, 6 pages (REVTEX 3.0), IFT-P017/94. We revisit the long standing problem of analyzing an inertial electric charge from the point of view of uniformly accelerated observers in the context of semi-classical gravity. We choose a suitable set of accelerated observers with respect to which there is no photon emission coming from the inertial charge. We discuss this result against previous claims [F. Rohrlich, Ann. Phys. (N.Y.) vol: 22, 169 (1963)]. (This Essay was awarded a Honorable Mention for 1994 by the Gravity Research Foundation.) Paper: gr-qc/9406032 From: wam@tdo-serv.lanl.gov (Warner A. Miller) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 14:44:42 MDT Spin Dynamics of the LAGEOS Satellite in Support of a Measurement of the Earth's Gravitomagnetism, Salman Habib, Daniel E. Holz, Arkady Kheyfets, Richard A. Matzner, Warner A. Miller and Brian W. Tolman, 16 pages, RevTeX, LA-UR-94-1289. (Part I of II, postscript figures in Part II). LAGEOS is an accurately-tracked, dense spherical satellite covered with 426 retroreflectors. The tracking accuracy is such as to yield a medium term (years to decades) inertial reference frame determined via relatively inexpensive observations. This frame is used as an adjunct to the more difficult and data intensive VLBI absolute frame measurements. There is a substantial secular precession of the satellite's line of nodes consistent with the classical, Newtonian precession due to the non-sphericity of the earth. Ciufolini has suggested the launch of an identical satellite (LAGEOS-3) into an orbit supplementary to that of LAGEOS-1: LAGEOS-3 would then experience an equal and opposite classical precession to that of LAGEOS-1. Besides providing a more accurate real-time measurement of the earth's length of day and polar wobble, this paired-satellite experiment would provide the first direct measurement of the general relativistic frame-dragging effect. Of the five dominant error sources in this experiment, the largest one involves surface forces on the satellite, and their consequent impact on the orbital nodal precession. The surface forces are a function of the spin dynamics of the satellite. Consequently, we undertake here a theoretical effort to model the spin ndynamics of LAGEOS. In this paper we present our preliminary results. Paper: gr-qc/9407003 From: William Bruckman Date: Tue, 5 Jul 94 09:06:49 EDT Generation of Electro and Magneto Static Solutions of the Scalar-Tensor Theories of Gravity, William Bruckman, 28 pages, LaTeX. The field equations of the scalar-tensor theories of gravitation are presented in different representations, related to each other by conformal transformations of the metric. One of the representations resembles the Jordan-Brans-Dicke theory, and is the starting point for the generation of exact electrostatic and magnetostatic exterior solutions. The corresponding solutions for each specific theory can be obtained by transforming back to the original canonical representation, and the conversions are given for the theories of Jordan-Brans-Dicke, Barker, Schwinger, and conformally invariant coupling. The electrostatic solutions represent the exterior metrics and fields of configurations where the gravitational and electric equipotential surfaces have the same symmetry. A particular family of electrostatic solutions is developed, which includes as special case the spherically symmetric solutions of the scalar-tensor theories. As expected, they reduce to the well-known Reissner-Nordstrom metric when the scalar field is set equal to a constant. The analysis of the Jordan-Brans-Dicke metric yields an upper bound for the mass-radius ratio of static stars, for a class of interior structures. Paper: gr-qc/9407030 From: Marco SISSA +39(40)3787522 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 15:10:04 +0200 QUANTUM ELECTROMAGNETIC WORMHOLES AND GEOMETRICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ELECTRIC CHARGE by Marco Cavaglia 13 pages, PLAIN TEX, Report No: SISSA 92/94/A (to appear in Phys. Rev. D15). I present and discuss a class of solutions of the Wheeler-de Witt equation describing wormholes generated by coupling of gravity to the electromagnetic field for Kantowski-Sachs and Bianchi I spacetimes. Since the electric charge can be viewed as electric lines of force trapped in a finite region of spacetime, these solutions can be interpreted as the quantum corresponding of the Ein-stein--Rosen--Misner--Wheeler electromagnetic geon. Paper: gr-qc/9409060 (Annals of Physics vol. 240 432--458 (1995)) From: soleng@surya11.cern.ch (Harald SOLENG) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:01:03 +0100 Modification of the Coulomb potential from a Kaluza-Klein model with a Gauss-Bonnet term in the action, by H. H. Soleng and O. Gron, 27 pages, compressed and uuencoded postscript file with unpacking instructions; major revision to section IV.D.2 on pages 15-16 ("Corrections to the Coulomb potential at short distances") and to the figure on page 27, to be published in The Annals of Physics (NY), NORDITA 94/50 In four dimensions a Gauss-Bonnet term in the action corresponds to a total derivative, and it does not contribute to the classical equations of motion. For higher-dimensional geometries this term has the interesting property (shared with other dimensionally continued Euler densities) that when the action is varied with respect to the metric, it gives rise to a symmetric, covariantly conserved tensor of rank two which is a function of the metric and its first and second order derivatives. Here we review the unification of General Relativity and electromagnetism in the classical five-dimensional, restricted (with g55 = 1) Kaluza-Klein model. Then we discuss the modifications of the Einstein-Maxwell theory that results from adding the Gauss-Bonnet term in the action. The resulting four-dimensional theory describes a non-linear U(1) gauge theory non-minimally coupled to gravity. For a point charge at rest, we find a perturbative solution for large distances which gives a mass-dependent correction to the Coulomb potential. Near the source we find a power-law solution which seems to cure the short-distance divergency of the Coulomb potential. Possible ways to obtain an experimental upper limit to the coupling of the hypothetical Gauss-Bonnet term are also considered. Paper: gr-qc/9410019 From: Peter Marzlin Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:50:28 +0100 THE DIPOLE COUPLING OF ATOMS AND LIGHT IN GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS, Karl-Peter Marzlin, 10 pages, LaTeX The dipole coupling term between a system of N particles with total charge zero and the electromagnetic field is derived in the presence of a weak gravitational field. It is shown that the form of the coupling remains the same as in flat space-time if it is written with respect to the proper time of the observer and to the measurable field components. Some remarks concerning the connection between the minimal and the dipole coupling are given. Paper: hep-th/9410046 From: M.J. Duff Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:04:15 BST KALUZA-KLEIN THEORY IN PERSPECTIVE, M. J. Duff, 38 pages latex, NI-94-015 The Kaluza-Klein idea of extra spacetime dimensions continues to pervade current attempts to unify the fundamental forces, but in ways somewhat different from that originally envisaged. We present a modern perspective on the role of internal dimensions in physics, focussing in particular on superstring theory. A novel result is the interpretation of Kaluza-Klein string states as extreme black holes.(Talk delivered at the Oskar Klein Centenary Nobel Symposium, Stockholm, September 19-21, 1994.) Paper: hep-th/9412243 From: Vu.Ho@sci.monash.edu.au Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:06:38 +1100 Title: Gravity as a coupling of two electromagnetic fields Author: Vu B Ho Commments: 8 pages A discussion on a possibility to represent gravity as a coupling of two electrogmanetic fields Paper: gr-qc/9509018 From: nunez@venus.fisica.unlp.edu.ar (NUNEZ Carlos) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 15:05:13 EST Title: On Pseudospherically Symmetric Repulsive Gravitational Field Authors: Luis A. Anchordoqui, Graciela S. Birman, Jose D. Edelstein and Carlos Nunez Report-no: La Plata-Th 95/23 The solution of Einstein vacuum equation, for a static pseudospherically symmetric system, is presented. It describes a singular solution that produces a repulsive gravitational field with an event horizon. We analyse particle motion in such a gravitational field and comment on some interesting features of the solution. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Origin of the Electromagnetic Interaction in Einstien's Unified Field Theory", Antoci,S. General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol 23 No 1, 1991 Recently it has been shown that, if sources are appended in a certain way to the field equations of Einstein's unified theory, the contracted Bianchi identities and the field operations appear endowed with definite physical meaning. The theory looks like a gravoelectrodynamics in a polarizable Riemmannian continuum. The wealth of the implied possibilities is far richer than in the so-called Einstein-Maxwell theory. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paper: HEP-TH/9411092 From: hssong@phyy.snu.ac.kr Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 15:19:29 KST Title: Factorization and polarization in linearized gravity Authors: S.Y. Choi, J.S. Shim, H.S. Song Comments: 45 pages, figures are included (uses pictex), RevTex Report-no: KEK-TH-415, HYUPT-94/10, SNUTP 94-03, We investigate all the four-body graviton interaction processes: gX -> gamma X, gX -> gX, and gg -> gg, with X as an elementary particle of spin less than two in the context of linearized gravity except the spin-3/2 case. We show explicitly that gravitational gauge invariance and Lorentz invariance cause every four-body graviton scattering amplitude to be factorized. We explore the implications of this factorization property by investigating polarization effects through the covariant density matrix formalism in each four-body graviton scattering process. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Causality, electromagnetic induction, and gravitation : a different approach to the theory of electromagnetic and gravitational fields/ Oleg D. Jefimenko. Star City [West Virginia] : Electret Scientific Co., c1992. xii, 180 p. : LC CALL NUMBER: QC665.E4 J44 1992 SUBJECTS: Electromagnetic fields. Gravitational fields. Causality. Maxwell Equations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- COUNTER-GRAVITATION: The sustaining of an object in space by means of a counter-gravitational effect produced through the action of an electric field upon the object. Associated with the effects of levitation in this manner, is a simultaneous appearance of a strange luminous halo that appears at about 500,000 volts. Sources: American Philosophical Society, Proceedings. Philadelphia, PA, years 1914-1929. Articles on Charles F. Brush's experiments. Electrical Experimenter. "Can Electricity Destroy Gravitation?", New York, March 1918. Electrical Experimenter. "Piggott's Electro-gravitation Experiment", Vol. 8, 1920. Hooper, William J., New Horizons in Electric, Magnetic, and Gravitational Field Theory, Principia College, Elsah, IL, 1974. The Scientific Papers of James Clerk Maxwell. Vol. II, W.D. Niven (ed.), Constable & Co., London, 1965. "Le Sage Theory of Gravitation". Transactions of the Academy of Science. "Nipher's Gravitation Experiments", Vol. 23, pp. 163-192+, St. Louis, 1916. US patent No. 1,006,786, Piggott. 3,518,462, Brown. 3,610,971, Hooper. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Journal of Propulsion and Power" of the AIAA, R.H. Woodward Waesche, Science Applications International Corporation, Editor in Chief. This Journal is devoted to the advancement of the science and technology of aerospace propulsion and power through the dissemination of original archival papers contributing to advancements in airbreathing, electric, and advanced propulsion; solid and liquid rockets; fuels and propellants; power generation and conversion for aerospace vehicles; and the application of aerospace science and technology to terrestrial energy devices and systems. It is intended to provide readers of the Journal, with primary interests in propulsion and power, access to papers spanning the range from research through development to applications. Papers in these disciplines and the sciences of combustion, fluid mechanics, and solid mechanics as directly related to propulsion and power are solicited. Published Bimonthly AIAA Members $42.00 per year ($72.00 outside North America) Institutions $300.00 per year ($360.00 outside North America) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have recently come into possession of a paper on magneto-gravitics and field resonance systems, presented by A.C. Holt from NASA Johnson Space Center to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics' 16th Joint Propulsion Conference, June 30-July 2, 1980. Holt presents a project using an already existing system known as the Coherent Field and Energy Resonance System (CoFERS) [probably located at Los Alamos Labs' High Magnetic Field Research Laboratory]. CoFERS utilizes a toroidal-shaped energy guide with megagauss magnetic field sources located along radius vectors equally spaced around the toroid. CoFERS is shaped like a thick flying disc. Holt goes on to say: "By converying an object's normal space-time energy pattern to an energy pattern which differs substantially from the normal pattern, the gravitational forces acting on the object are changed. The object's new pattern interacts with the surrounding space-time and virtual energy patterns, such that the interactive forces are substantially altered. The alteration of the characteristics of the continuous field of force results in the apparent motion of the object *through space-time*." [...] "Since the gravitational forces acting on the propulsion system can be quickly altered to achieve the desired motion, the *spacecraft* can make right-angle turns at very-high velocities without adversely affecting the crew or system elements. The effective gravitational field the *spacecraft/ aircraft* experiences can be nearly simultaneously reoriented at a 90- degree angle, resulting in a smooth continuous motion as far as the occupants are concerned." [ ... ] "The gravimagnetic system is perhaps best suited for use in and around ... a large mass such as the Earth." "While the gravimagnetic system is likely to be the first field-dependent propulsion system developed, the field resonance system will **bring stellar and galactic travel out of the realm of science fiction**. The field resonance system artificially generates an energy pattern which precisely matches or resonates with a virtual pattern associated with a distent space-time point. According to the model, if a fundamental or precise resonance is established, (using hydromagnetic wave fine-tuning techniques), the spacecraft will be very strongly and equally repelled by surrounding virtual patterns. At the same time, through the virtual many-dimensional structure of space-time, a very strong attraction with the virtual pattern of a distant space-time point will exist. ...this combination of very strong forces will result in the translocation of the spacecraft from its initial position through the many-dimensional virtual structure to the distant space-time point. [ ... ] "A space-time 'jump' already appears to be supported by astrophysical research." Should you wish the entirety of this report, "Prospects for a Breakthrough in Field Dependent Propulsion" by A.C. Holt, you can order it from AeroPlus Dispatch, 1722 Gilbreth Road, Burlingame, CA 94010; phone: (800)-662-AERO. The paper/conference number is AIAA-80-1233 (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, June 30-July 2, 1980 - 16th Annual Conference. - Rich Boylan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mechanical Propulsion From Unsymmetrical Magnetic Induction Fields" by: R.L. Schlicher A.W. Biggs W.J. Tedeschi 31st AIAA/ASME/SAE/ASEE Joint Propulsion Conference and Exhibit, July 10-12 1995 A method is presented for generating mechanical spacecraft propulsion from unsymmetrical magnetic induction fields. It is based on an unsymmetrical three-dimensional loop antenna structure driven by a repetitively-pulsed high-current power supply. Antenna geometry is optimized for generating propulsive thrust rather than radiating electromagnetic energy. A magnetic field density gradient imbalances the magneto-mechanical forces that result from the interations of the internal magnetic induction field with the current in the conductors of the antenna structure. From Richard Feynman's Lectures on Physics we learn that there is intrinsic field energy and momentum density associated with a static electro-magnetic field configuration. When there is a change in the magnetic field, this field energy and momentum can be directly converted into kinetic energy and mechanical momentum. Feynman illustrates this with an electromagnetic carousel paradox. In this paradox, a dielectric disk (which is embedded with small charged spheres along its circumference) rotates without any apparent "counter" torque in the system. Before this rotation occurs, the dielectric disk is immersed in a static magnetic field. The subsequent rotation occurs as a consequence to reducing the previously static magnetic field to zero. The angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy comes directly from the initial static magnetic field. "The Feynman Lectures on Physics" by Richard Feynman, R.B. Leighton, and M. Sands, Volume II p 17-6 "Nonlinear Electromagnetic Propulsion System and Method", R.L. Schlicher Nineteenth Power Modulation Symposium of the IEEE, 1990 Page 139 "Classical Electrodynamics" by C.D. Jackson, 2nd Edition, John Wiley and Sons, New York, 1975 "The Feynman Lectures on Physics" Richard Feynman, R.B. Leighton, and M. Sands, Volume II p 27-9 US Patent #5142861, "Nonlinear Electromagnetic Propulsion System", R.L. Schlicher et al. 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Peter Graneau has conducted experiments which he claims provide a demonstration of departure from classical electrodynamics at high currents levels. A force is found to exist in a direction longitudinal to current flow. Graneau ran a variety of types of experiments with a metal rod conductor immersed in a conductive fluid (mercury, or saline solution). With high amperage passing through the solution the metal rod is found to move in a longitudinal direction. There is no known explanation in conventional EM theory. This force may be similar to the force (v X B) that William Hooper finds in a noninductive coil. Or Graneau's longitudinal force may be a coupling between the electromagnetic and inertial/gravitational fields, which is predicted by some 5-D unified EM/gravitational theories -- predicted to result from a divergence of the electric current vector field. Graneau's experiments should be relatively easy to duplicate. I can find no record that anyone has ever done so. Graneau has also discovered apparently anomalous forces and effects in high energy electromechanical devices such as rail guns and induction motors. AUTHOR: Graneau, Peter. TITLE: Ampere-Neumann electrodynamics of metals/Peter Graneau. PUBL.: Nonantuma, MA. : Hadronic Press, FORMAT: ix, 311 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. DATE: 1985 SUBJECT Metals--Electric properties--History. Free electron theory of metals--History. Electrodynamics--History. Electric conductors--History. ISBN: 0911767371 AUTHOR: Graneau, Peter TITLE: Electromagnetic Jet Propulsion in the Direction of Current Flow In: Nature June 18, 1982 No 295 Page 311 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. TITLE(s): Ampere force calculation for filament fusion experiments. In: Physics letters. a MAR 22 1993 v 174 n 5/6 Page 421 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. TITLE(s): Comment on "The motionally induced back-EMF in railguns". In: Physics letters: [part A] DEC 02 1991 v 160 n 5 Page 490 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, Peter TITLE(s): The Difference between Newtonian and Relativistic Forces. In: Foundations of physics letters. OCT 01 1993 v 6 n 5 Page 491 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. TITLE(s): Electrodynamic momentum measurements. In: Journal of physics d: applied physics. DEC 01 1988 v 21 n 12 Page 1826 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. TITLE(s): Far-action versus contact action. In: Speculations in science and technology. 1990 v 13 n 3 Page 191 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, Peter TITLE(s): Inertia's Riddle. Summary: Inertia has been misunderstood ever since the time of Galileo says Dr. Graneau. In: Electronics world + wireless world. JAN 01 1990 v 96 n 1647 Page 60 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. TITLE(s): Longitudinal forces in Ampere's wire-arc experiment. In: Physics letters: [part A] MAY 08 1989 v 137 n 3 Page 87 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. Thompson, D.S. Morrill, S.L. TITLE(s): The motionally induced back-emf in railguns. In: Physics letters: [part A] APR 30 1990 v 145 n 8/9 Page 396 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, Peter TITLE(s): Nonlocal Action in the Induction Motor. In: Foundations of physics letters. OCT 01 1991 v 4 n 5 Page 499 AUTHOR(s): Graneau, P. Graneau, N. TITLE(s): The role of Ampere forces in nuclear fusion. In: Physics letters: [part A] MAY 04 1992 v 165 n 1 Page 1 AUTHOR: Graneau, Peter. TITLE: Underground power transmission : the science, technology, and economics of high voltage cables / Peter Graneau. PUBL.: New York : Wiley, FORMAT: x, 515 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. DATE: 1979 SUBJECT: Electric cables Electric power transmission Electric lines--Underground ISBN: 0471057576 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I see that Graneau has devoted himself to the electric railgun. I looked a bit into this phenomena in 1994. I will now be able look a bit further. It seems that Graneau beleives in free energy in vacuum. The railgun and the theories about it are very controversial. There is a conflict between PhD Witalis, who works for the Swedish Defense, and the established plasmaphysiscists here in Uppsala. Witalis has condemned controlled hot fusion. -- David Jonsson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Albert C. Crehore published "New Electrodynamics" in 1950. In this book he described how the motion of protons in the nucleus would produce gravitational field effects. Gravitational field effects such as counter-bary are used in the mainstream effort to develop non-areodynamic non-rocket flight systems that usually referred to as "anti-gravitational". By making use of the Crehore Paradigm it is possible to derive a method of producing counter-bary. It's most likely Crehore had no knowledge of Brown's 1928 British patent for a gravitator device that would have been a macroscopic analog of a Crehore atom. Crehore, Albert C. (Albert Cushing), b. 1868. The mystery of matter and energy; recent progress as to the structure of matter, by Albert C. Crehore ... New York, D. van Nostrand company, 1917 LC CALL NUMBER: QC173 .C8 SUBJECTS: Matter--Constitution. Crehore, Albert C. (Albert Cushing), b. 1868. The atom, by Albert C. Crehore ... New York, D. Van Nostrand company, 1920. xvi, 161 p. diagrs. 19 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC173 .C75 ------------------------------------------------------------------- A man named Gerry Vassilator is an electrogravity experimenter. Last I know (in 1991) he runs an information service called MUUDO Experimental Videos Delmar Ave Staten Island, NY 10312. (718)-356-9373. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Anti-Gravity Handbook (revised ed.) Compiled by D. Hatcher Childress Published by - Adventures Unlimited Press 303 Main St., Kempton, Illnois 60949 USA ISBN: 0-932813-20-8 Pub date: 1993 (First edition was in 1985) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Anti-gravity and the world grid / edited by David Hatcher Childress. 1st ed. Stelle, IL : Adventures Unlimited Press, c1987. 267 p. : ill. ; 26 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: BF1999 .A6386 1987 SUBJECTS: Antigravity. Grids (Cartography). Occultism. Childress, David Hatcher, 1957- ISBN: 0932813038 (pbk.) : $12.95 The Anti-gravity handbook / compiled by D. Hatcher Childress. 1st ed. Stelle, Ill. : Adventures Unlimited Press, c1985 (1986 printing) 195 p. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .A58 1985 SUBJECTS: Antigravity. Childress, David Hatcher, 1957- ISBN: 0932813011 (pbk.) : $12.95 Pages, Marcel J. J. Le defi de l'antigravitation: techniques antiponderales, utilisation de l'energie de l'espace [par] M. J. J. Pages. Paris, Chiron [1974] 306 p. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .P23 SUBJECTS: Antigravity. Force and energy. ISBN: 2702703097 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nipher, Francis Eugene, 1847- Electricity and magnetism. A mathematical treatise for advanced undergraduate students. By Francis E. Nipher ... 2d ed., rev., with additions. St. Louis, Mo., J. L. Boland book and stationery co., 1895 i.e. 1898 xi, 430 p. diagrs. 20 cm. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "My library research shows that as early as 1917, a Professor Nipher had found that the weight of substances could be reduced (become negative) by the application of electrostatic charges. (Science, Sept. 21, 1917, page 173). Dr. Charles Brush, in a series of reports in the PROCEEDINGS OF THE AMERICAN PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY around 1922 found, in some well- thought-out-experiments, that weight was not only proportional to mass, but was affected by the atomic structure of the substances. For example, he found that for a given unit of mass and shape, BISMUTH falls faster than zinc or aluminum, in complete contradiction to Newton's Law of Gravity which they are still teaching in colleges today! So far, the literature hasn't given me an answer. Incidentally, Otis Carr's work involved counter-rotating charged discs that supposedly produced thrust when they reached a certain speed in relation the the earth's rotational speed and became activated by free energy from space. Maybe he did have something." James E. Cox Space Drive Research Society 2015 H. St., Apt. 12 Sacramento, CA 95814 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When individual molecules are not permanently magnetized, it is possible in some cases to have a relative magnetic permeability u which is less than one. Such a material, like hydrogen or BISMUTH, is called diamagnetic. It tends to expel magnetic field, and is repelled from regions of stronger magnetic field. The names paramagnetic and diamagnetic are sometimes confused: paramagnetic is analogous to a dielectric in an electric field, while diamagnetic is quite the opposite. It is not possible to give a simple argument of why diamagnetism can occur. it is strictly speaking a quantum effect. However, one can see that there might be diamagnetic tendencies if electric currents can flow within molecules. An increasing magnetic field always tends to induce currents to flow in such a way as to tend to prevent the increase in the field. This is (at least temporarily) a diamagnetic kind of effect. Thus the case where the relative magnetic permeablility u < 1, is connected with the flow of electric charges in a magnetic field. There is no analogous case with electric fields since isolated magnetic poles do no, so far as is known exist. - "The New Physics" edited by Paul Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- GE engineer Henry Wallace found unusual gravitational effects in spinning odd atomic nulceide metals. Odd atomic nucleide metals are those in which the sum of the protons are not equal to the number of neutrons, i.e. more neutrons. See US patents 3626605 and 3626606. -Ron Kita ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Also indicated in the embodiment is the orientation of the flux within the mass circuit, the latter being constructed preferredly of BISMUTH." - Henry Wallace, US patent # 3626605, Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field --------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR(s): Uyeda, C. Yamanaka, T. Miyako, Y. TITLE(s): Magnetic rotation of diamagnetic oxide crystals and the origin of diamagnetic anistropies. In: Physica B. Condensed matter. MAY 01 1995 v 211 n 1/4 Page: 342 --------------------------------------------------------------------- A while back I had the need to take a peek at a copy of the periodic table of elements. So I grabbed my old, dusty college chemistry book that I could never quite bring myself to toss. It's called "Chemical Principles", published WAY back in 1970. While looking through the book, I was stunned when I came across a discussion of the possibilities of new elements. "What lies ahead for the synthesis of transuranium elements? Will there be more radioactive and extremely short-lived species such as 97 through 104? It now appears as if there is a chance of reaching a new zone of stability that might even include some none radioactive elements. Calculations with nuclear shell models have led to the expectation that element 114, with 114 protons and 184 neutrons (both magic numbers in the new shell theory) would be an island of stability in a sea of instability." I noted that some information was taken from an article in the April 1969 (pages 57-67) issue of "Scientific American" by Dr. Glenn Seaborg. In this article, there are excellent graphics showing the expected half-lives of all the heavyweights. They predict a fission half-life for the most stable isotope of 114 of 10 to the 16th years, and a alpha-decay half-life of 1,000 years. They didn't go into the same level of detail for 115, but it looks like the stuff would clock out considerably sooner by way of beta decay. BTW, according to the article, the proper terminology to denote an undiscovered element in a periodic column is the prefix "eka". Therefore element 115 should be eka-BISMUTH. Lose this Un-un-pentium crap! - Tom Mahood ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lazar is not the only one to theorize that the 114/115 area is stable. Check out the August 31, 1991 issue of New Scientist -- that respected peer-reviewed periodical. Find Glenn Seaborg's article called "The search for the missing elements." Seaborg is a renowned scientist who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1951. He and his research group at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory have discovered 10 of the transuranium elements. His article is very technical and interesting, and in it he has two separate graphs that show islands of stability at the 114/115 area. There is a sea of instability around these "islands." -- Mark Hines -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR(s): Bhattacharyya, S. Ghoshal, A. Ghatak, K.P. TITLE(s): On the field emission from bismuth in the presence of a quantizing magnetic field. In: Fizika; a journal of experimental and theoretic APR 01 1991 v 23 n 2 Page 159 AUTHOR(s): Byrne, A. P. Birkental, U. Hubel, H. TITLE: High-Spin States in 205Bi. In: Zeitschrift fur Physik. A, Atomic nuclei 1989 v 334 n 3 Page: 247 AUTHOR(s): Vezzoli, G.C. Chen, M.F. Craver, F. TITLE(s): Magnetically-related properties of bismuth containing high Tc superconductors. In: Journal of magnetism and magnetic materials. AUG 01 1990 v 88 n 3 Page 351 AUTHOR(s): Bannerjee, D. Bhattacharya, R. TITLE(s): Magnetic Properties of Single Crystals of Bismuth Doped with Lead and Tin. In: Physica status solidi. b: basic research. JAN 01 1990 v 157 n 1 Page 443 AUTHOR(s): Zhilyaev, I. N. TITLE(s): Observation of kinetic paramagnetic effect in bismuth in a transverse magnetic field. In: Soviet journal of low temperature physics. SEP 01 1988 v 14 n 9 Page 502 AUTHOR(s): Mondal, M. Banik, S.N. Ghatak, K.P. TITLE(s): Effect of a quantizing magnetic field on the Einstein relation in bismuth. In: Canadian journal of physics. JAN 01 1989 v 67 n 1 Page 72 AUTHOR(s): Zheng, Q. Zeng, Z. Lai, W. TITLE(s): The influence of Al on the electronic structure and magnetic properties of doped MnBi with huge enhancement of Kerr rotation. In: Journal of magnetism and magnetic materials. FEB 01 1992 v 104/107 p 2 Page 1019 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huston, David L. The nature and possible significance of the Batamote copper-bismuth-silver anomaly, Pima County, Arizona / by David L. Huston and Paul K. Theobald. Washington : U.S. G.P.O. ; Denver, CO : For sale by the Books and Open-File Reports Section, U.S. Geological Survey, 1990. v, 19 p. : ill., maps LC CALL NUMBER: QE75 .B9 no. 1907 (ALTERNATE CLASS QE390.2.C6) SUBJECTS: Copper ores--Arizona--Batamote Mountains Region. U.S. Geological Survey bulletin ; 1907 Beck, Sherwin M. Measured electron conversion ratios for the 1064-keV gamma ray of bismuth-207, by Sherwin M. Beck. Washington, National Aeronautics and Space Administration; [for sale by the Clearinghouse for Federal Scientific and Technical Information, Springfield, Va.] 1970. 39 p. illus. 27 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: TL521 .A3525 no. 6057 SUBJECTS: Bismuth--Isotopes. Nuclear counters. NASA technical note, NASA TN D-6057 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Wallace patent, #3626606, Figs. 7A and 7B are side views of a gravity-NEUTRALIZING FLYING SAUCER, or, if anchored to the ground, a ZERO-GRAVITY CHAMBER. Each oval diagram shows a motor spinning a central disc at a very high speed, about 28,000 RPM, and also rotating two other discs sandwiched around the first disc, via gears, at a much slower speed, perhaps 2,800 RPM, in the opposite direction. The two outer discs have extensions [counter-balanced via off-center axis] that, as they rotate, alternately make contact with two wide extensions from opposite walls of the spacecraft. The central disc should have shallow spiral-shaped grooves on both sides for air-bearings, to allow the needed very close contact with the two outer discs. Each of the two outer discs has ONLY ONE [counter-balanced] extension, each one pointed opposite (180 degrees) the extension of the other disc. The most important factor making it work is that the discs, extensions, and outer walls of the spacecraft MUST be made of any material(s) in which a very large majority of the atoms are of isotopes having "HALF-INTEGRAL ATOMIC SPINS", such as copper (3/2). - Robert E. McElwaine ----------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR(s): Sun, W. Stephen, J.T. Wu, Y. TITLE(s): Rotation-Induced Resonance and Second-Order Quadrupolar Effects on Spin Locking of Half-Integer Quadrupolar Nuclei. In: Journal of magnetic resonance. series a. OCT 01 1995 v 116 n 2 Page: 181 AUTHOR(s): Seliger, J. Blinc, R. TITLE(s): Orientation dependences of quadrupolar spin-lattice relaxation rates of spin-3/2 nuclei subject to a random two-site exchange in a high magnetic field: a theoretical study. In: Journal of physics. Condensed matter : an Inst DEC 13 1993 v 5 n 50 Page: 9401 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the patent info about Wallace, I got them a few days ago and found it quite enjoyable. Actually, many people have had this notion at one time or another, I think Oleg Jefimenko wrote a book relating to this subject. -- Keith Nagel AUTHOR: Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE: Electricity and magnetism : an introduction to the theory of electric and magnetic fields / Oleg D. Jefimenko. EDITION: 2nd ed. PUBL.: Star City, W. Va. : Electret Scientific Co., DATE: 1989 SUBJECT: Electromagnetism ISBN: 0917406081 AUTHOR: Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE: Electrostatic motors; their history, types, and principles of operation (by) Oleg D. Jefimenko. With many illus., of which 57 are by David K. Walker. PUBL.: Star City (W. Va.) Electret Scientific Co. DATE: 1973 SUBJECT: Electrostatic apparatus and appliances AUTHOR: Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE: Causality, electromagnetic induction, and gravitation: a different approach to the theory of electromagnetic and gravitational fields" b PUBL: Star City [West Virginia] : Electret Scientific Co., DATE: 1992. SUBJECTS: Electromagnetic fields. Gravitational fields. Causality. Maxwell Equations. AUTHOR(s): Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE(s): Direct calculation of electric and magnetic forces from In: American journal of physics. JUL 01 1990 v 58 n 7 Page 625 AUTHOR(s): Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE(s): Direct calculation of the electric magnetic fields of an electric point charge moving with constant velocity. In: American journal of physics. JAN 01 1994 v 62 n 1 Page 79 AUTHOR(s): Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE(s): Force exerted on a stationary charge by a moving electric current or by a moving magnet. In: American journal of physics. MAR 01 1993 v 61 n 3 Page 218 AUTHOR(s): Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE(s): Retardation and relativity: The case of a moving line charge. In: American journal of physics. MAY 01 1995 v 63 n 5 Page 454 AUTHOR(s): Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE(s): Retardation and relativity; Derivation of Lorentz-Einstein transformation from retarded integrals for electric and magnetic fields. In: American journal of physics. MAR 01 1995 v 63 n 3 Page 267 AUTHOR(s): Jefimenko, Oleg D. TITLE(s): Solutions of Maxwell's equations for electric and magnetic fields in arbitrary media. In: American journal of physics. OCT 01 1992 v 60 n 10 Page 899 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Anti-Gravity Electronics", H. Aspden, Electroncis & Wireless World, Jan 1 1989, Vol 95 No 1635 Reinterpretation of Netwon's third law of motion suggests that it depends upon an electronic action. Electronic interaction therefore explains the paradoxical anti-gravity properties of the force precessed gyroscope. "The Anti-Gravity Puzzle", Mark Ander, Professional Pilot, Aug 1 1989 Exploring the possibility of exceptions to Newton's inverse-square law of gravity, scientists pursue evidence in strange locations. "The Latest Antigravity Gossip", Rock & Ice, Nov 1 1994 No 64 "Propulsion by Gyro", Eric Laithwaite, Space, Sep 1989 Vol 5 No 5 In an attempt to reveal the strange, hidden properties of gyroscopes, Professor Eric Laithwaite explains the physics behind the idea that a propulsion system could be built using gyros. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Negative Mass in General Relativity", H. Bondi, Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol 29, July 1957, pp 423-428 "Looking for New Gravitational Forces with Antiprotons", M.M. Nieto and B.E. Bonner, Proceedings RAND Workshop on Anti Proton Science and Technology, World Scientific, Singapore, 1988 pp 328-341 "Negative and Imaginary Proper Masses", Y.P Terletskii, Paradoxes in the Theory of Relativity, Plenum, New York 1968, Chapter VI pp 83-115 "Gravitational Coupling of Negative Matter", A. Inomata and D. Peak, Nuovo Cimento, Vol B63 Sep 1969 pp 132-142 "Negative-Mass Lagging Cores of the Big Bang", B.D. Miller, Astrophysical Journal, Vol 208, Sep 1976 pp 275-285 "The Cosmological Term, the Shielding of Gravitation and the Negative Mass Hypothesis", A.A. Baranov, Izvestiya VUZ Fizika, Vol 14 Nov 1971 pp 118-120 "Negative Masses and the Energy-Sources of the Universe", Y.P. Terletskii, Experimentelle Technik der Physik, Vol 29 April 1981 pp 331-332 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELECTROMAGNETIC-GRAVITATIONAL CONVERSION CROSS SECTIONS IN EXTERNAL ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS International Centre for Theoretical Physics, Trieste (Italy). LONG, HOANG NGOC SOA, DANG VAN TRAN, TUAN A. SEP. 1994 11 PAGES DE95-613589 IC-94/285 Avail: CASI HC A03/MF A01 (US Sales Only) The classical processes: the conversion of photons into gravitons in the static electromagnetic fields are considered by using Feynman perturbation techniques. The differential cross sections are presented for the conversion in the electric field of the flat condenser and the magnetic field of the solenoid. A numerical evaluation shows that the cross sections may have the observable value in the present technical scenario. CASI Accession Number: N95-30637 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have an excerpt from a paper presented under the auspices of Northrop Corp. in 1968 that gives an idea of why you would want to bother with high voltage fields. To achieve the effects described involved relatively small high voltage. The true electrogravitational effects are significant at higher E field strength. In any case, this was only the state of the art in 1968. Their involvement in the B-2 began much later, after considerably more research. Electroaerodynamics In Supersonic Flow by M. S. Cahn and G. M. Andrew, Northrop Corporation, Hawthorne, California Presented at AIAA 6th Aerospace Sciences Meeting, January 22-24, 1968 - Tom Capizzi (tcapizzi@world.std.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ELECTRO-AERODYNAMICS: Electric charges are applied to high-speed vehicles for the purpose of reducing air drag or eliminating sonic booms. High-speed ions are projected forward from the leading edges of the craft, the corona glow propagates forward and repels air molecules away from the oncoming surfaces, thus a shock wave cannot be mechanically produced. Sources: Dudley, Horace C., Analog Science Fact & Fiction. "The Electric Field Rocket", November 1960. Product Engineering. "Sonic Boom Experiments", Vol. 39, New York, pp. 35-6, March 11, 1968. US Patent No. 3,095,167, Dudley. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The paper entitled the "U.S. Antigravity Squadron" paper appears with others in the book "ELECTROGRAVITICS SYSTEMS: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology" edited by Thomas Valone (Washington, D.C.: Integrity Research Institute, 1994); ISBN 0-9641070-0-7. In addition to this paper, this book also includes the following: 1) The 1956 paper "Electrogravitics Systems" (prepared by the Special Weapons Study Unit of Aviation Studies Ltd., a UK-based aviation industry intelligence firm). It was declassified from a confidential status some time prior to 1985 and entered the public domain as a result of a request I placed through the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base Technical Library. 2) The 1956 paper "The Gravitics Situation" (prepared by Gravity Rand Ltd., a division of Aviation Studies Ltd. This includes six appendices with papers by various authors including the text from T. Townsend Brown's 1929 gravitor patent. 3) A paper by Banesh Hoffman entitled "Negative Mass as a Gravitational Source of Energy in the Quasistellar Radio Sources. 4) A collection of diagrams copied from various patents by T. Townsend Brown. You may order a copy from: Starburst Publications, 1176 Hedgewood Lane, Schenectady NY 12309, USA Also available from Starburst Publications is the book "Subquantum Kinetics: The Alchemy of Creation" (ISBN 0-9642025-0-6). Subquantum kinetics is a new approach to microphysical theory that utilizes concepts from the fields of nonlinear chemical kinetics, irreversible thermodynamics, and general system theory, replacing the current mechanistic foundation of physics with a reaction-kinetic model. This new approach resolves a number of problems that plague classical and modern physics also may provide some insights into the electrogravitic connection that Brown was researching. In particular, chapter 9 gives some background information on Townsend Brown's electrogravitics. __________________________________________________________________ Scott, W.B. "Black World engineers, scientists encourage using highly classified technology for civil applications." Aviation Week & Space Technology, March 9, 1992, pp. 66,67. Brown, T.T. "How I Control Gravity." Science and Invention Magazine, August 1929. Reprinted in Psychic Observer 37(1) pp.14 - 18. Burridge, G. "Another Step Towards Antigravity." The American Mercury 86(6) (1958):77 - 82. Sigma, Rho, "Ether Technology: A Rational Approach to Gravity Control." Lakemont, GA: CSA Printing & Bindery, 1977, p. 44-49, quoteing a letter from T. Townsend Brown dated February 14, 1973. Intel. "Towards Flight Without Stress or Strain...Or Weight." Intervia Magazine 11(5) (1956):373-374 Rose, M. "The Flying Saucer: The Application of the Biefield-Brown Effect to the Solution of the Problems of Space Navigation." University for Social reesearch, April 8, 1952. LaViolette, P.A. "An Introduction to Subquantum Kinetics: Part Journal of General Systems, Special Issue on Systems Thinking in Physics" 11(1985):295-328. LaViolette, P.A. "Subquantum Kinetics: The Alchemy of Creation." Schenectady, NY, 1994. LaViolette, P.A. "Beyond the Big Bang: Ancient Myth and the Science of Continuous Creation." Rochester, VT:Inner Traditions Intl., 1994. LaViolette, P.A. "A Theory of Electrogravtics." Electric Spacecraft Journal, Issue 8, 1993, pp. 33 - 36. LaViolette, P.A. "A Tesla Wave Physics for a Free Energy Universe." Proceedings of the 1990 International Tesla Symposium, Colorado Springs, CO: International Tesla Society, 1991, pp. 5.1 - 5.19. Aviation Studies (International) Ltd. "Electrogravitic Systems: An Examination of Electrostatic Motion, Dynaimc Counterbary and Barycentric Control." Report GRG 013/56 by Aviation Studies, Special Weapons Study Unit, London, February 1956. (Library of Congress No. 3,1401,00034,5879; Call No. TL565.A9). LaViolette, P. "Electrogravitics: Back to the Future." Electric Spacecraft Journal, Issue 4, 1992, pp. 23 - 28. LaViolette, P. "Electrogravtics: An Energy-Efficient Means of Spacecraft Propulsion." Explore 3 (1991): 76 - 79; idea No. 100159 submitted to NASA's 1990 Space Exploration Outreach Program. Aviation Studies (International) Ltd. "The Gravitics Situation". prepared by Gravity Rand Ltd. - a divison of Aviation Studies, London, December 1956. Northrup Studying Sonic Boom Remedy." Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan. 22, 1968, p.21. Rhodes, L. "Ex-NASA Expert Says Stealth Uses Parts from UFO." Arkansas Democrat, Little Rock, AR., April 9, 1990. Scott, W.B. "Inside the Stealth Bomber" Tab/Aero Books: New York, 1991. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the most famous researchers in this area is John Searl, who noticed that spinning metal would accumulate electrons on the rim, possibly through some kind of centrifugal thrust. The initial test was a metal disk attached to a breakaway coupling driven by a gasoline engine. It was carried out in the country and as the disk reached higher and higher speeds, tremendous electrostatic forces were generated which were estimated at 10 to the 6th volts! That's when the disk began to glow blue, broke the coupling, rose to about 30 feet, continued to accelerate, turned pink and shot off into space. Searl claims this happened with many of his early tests and as a result he lost the device each time. Later he learned how to control the device. The neat thing about it, the Searl disk is self-propelling using a magnetic drive. -- Jerry Decker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THE SEARL EFFECT (The Introduction) [To contact WCVE write to: 23 Sesame Street Richmond VA, 23235 or phone: 804-320-1301 or fax: 804-320-8729] ------------------------- ANTIGRAVITY: The Dream made Reality [The Story of John R. R. Searl] by John A. Thomas Jr. Published by Direct International Science Consortium 13 Blackburn, Low Strand, Grahame Park Estate, London NW95NG England Available in this country through John A. Thomas, Jr. 373 Rock Beach Rd. Rochester, NY 14617-1316 Phone: (716) 467-2694 Thomas, John A., Jr. Antigravity : the dream made reality : the story of John R.R. Searl / by John A. Thomas Jr. London : Direct International Science Consortium, c1993. 1 v. (various pagings) : ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .T46 1993 SUBJECTS: Searl, John R. R. (John Roy Robert), 1932-. Antigravity. ISBN: 1898827990 (spiral) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEXUS Magazine Volume 2, Number 17 P.O. Box 177 Kempton, IL 60946 Phone: (815) 252-6464 Fax: (815) 253-6300 Extraordinary Science Volume VI. Issue 2 ISSN 1043-3716 ________________________________________________________________ Aspden, Harold A. (1989). "The Theory of the Gravitation Constant," Physical Essays, Vol. 2, No. 2, pages 173-179. Aspden, Harold A. (1991). "The Theory of Antigravity," Physical Essays, Vol. 4, no. 1, pages 13-19. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Electrogravitic Systems: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology by Thomas Valone, M.A., P.E. The Anti-Gravity Handbook by D. Hatcher Childress Ether-Technology: A Rational Approach to Gravity-Control by Rho Sigma ____________________________________________________________________ Sigma, Rho. Forschung in Fesseln : das Ratsel d. Elektro-Gravitation / von Rho Sigma. Wiesbaden-Schierstein : Ventla-Verl., 1972. 272 p. : ill. ; 21 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: TL789 .S524 1972 SUBJECTS: Unidentified flying objects. Gravitation. ISBN: DM24.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There is also a good book written by an Aerospace Engineer who worked for General Electric, named John Ackerman. The book is called "To Catch a Flying Star". It is available from Univelt, Inc., P.O. Box 28130, San Diego, CA. 92128 ISBN 0-912183-03-9. ____________________________________________________________________ ELECTRIC SPACECRAFT JOURNAL $24 yr. US P.O. BOX 18387 $29 yr. Canada/Mexico Asheville, North Carolina 28814 $39 yr. other countries I highly recommend this semi-pro publication. Buy all the back issues too! It's not just 'counterbary', but has articles on energy anomalies, Tesla, unconventional hobby projects, unconventional physics, etc. SPACE ENERGY NEWS The Space Energy Association is dedicated PO Box 11422 to the pioneering work of several sci- Clearwater FL 34616 entists and inventors, including Nikola Suscription info:$35, 4 issu/yr Telsa, Viktor Schauberger, T. Henry Moray, Editors: Donald A. Kelly T.T. Brown, Alfred Hubbard, T.J.J. See, Michael Marino Erwin Saxi, Hans Coler and others. ________________________________________________________________________ "Antigravity" by R.M. Santilli The Institute for Basic Research, PO Box 1577 Palm Harbor FL 34682 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recently I had read a book from Hans A. Nieper with the title "Konversion von Schwerkraft-Feld-Energie" (transformation of gravity field energy). This book tells from transformers of the types Fluxtransformer (electrodynamic system) and Capacitor Discharge (solid state method). My problem is that I find nowhere informations about these machines. So I hope that YOU can give me hints whre I can find informations (books, files,articles ...) about these machines and theories. I am also grateful for your opinions about these theory and these machines. -- Michael Bell Berlin, Germany Revolution in Technik, Medizin, Gesellschaft. English. Revolution in technology, medicine and society : conversion of gravity field energy / Hans A. Nieper. Extended ed. in English, 1. ed. Oldenburg : MIT Verlag, 1985. 384 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: TJ163.7 .R4813 1985 SUBJECTS: Power (Mechanics)--Congresses. Translation of: Revolution in Technik, Medizin, Gesellschaft. Cover title: Dr. Nieper's Revolution in technology, medicine, and society. Includes proceedings of the Symposium on Energy Technology, Hannover, Nov. 27-28, 1980, and the First International Symposium on Non-Conventional Energy Technology, Oct. 23-24, Toronto, Oct. 23-24, 1981. ISBN: 392518807X ______________________________________________________________________ Nieper, Hans A. Zur Theorie der Schwerkraftwirkungen. In "Revolution in Technik Medizin Gesellschaft", Bearden, T. E. Maxwell's lost Unified Field Theory of Electromagnetics and Gravitation. In "New Energy Technology", pg. 25. Published by The Planetary Association for Clean Energy, nc. Ottawa/Hull, Canada. Bearden, Thomas E. (1988). "Maxwell's Original Quaternion Theory Was a Unified Field Theory of Electromagnetics and Gravitation," Proceedings of the International Tesla Society, 1988, ITS Books. Moretti, Angelo. Possibility of Non-Zero Mass in Synchrotron Radiation. In "What Physics for the next century?" pg. 397 - Inediti No. 59, Societ_Editrice Andromeda, Bologna Gunnufson, Craig. Neuere Neutrinomessungen aus der Sonne unterstuetzen eine neue Theorie. Lecture held at a congress on Gravity Field Energy in Toronto, Oct. 1981. In Nieper, "Revolution in Technik Medizin Gesellschaft", Illmer Verlag, Hannover Seike, Shinichi. Lecture held at Energy Symposium in Hannover, November 1980. In Nieper, Revolution in Technik Medizin Gesellschaft. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone ever see Stan Deyo's book Cosmic Conspiracy? He talked about an ElectroGravitics society I think it was. These things must have some sort of high voltage resonating circuitry, in a round shape obviously. They can recharge over high power lines. They can apparently become invisible. They also must be able to change their mass so they can accelerate at very high rates. For anyone interested, he wrote a second book called "The Vindicator Scrolls" which contains more information. ------------------------------------------------------------ "Space Warps: A Review of One Form of Propulsionless Transport," _Journal of the British Interplanetary Society_ 42 (Nov. 1989): 533-542. "Negative Matter Propulsion," _Journal of Propulsion and Power_ 1 (Jan.-Feb. 1990): 28-37. ------------------------------------------------------------- Vonsovskii, S, Ferromagnetic Resonance, 1966. Feynman, R, Feynman Lectures on Physics, v2, 1964 Chikazumi, S, Physics of Magnetism, 1964 Soohoo, R, Microwave Magnetics, 1988 Herlach, F, Strong and Ultrastrong Magnetic Fields, 1985 --------------------------------------------------------------- [1] The Feynman Lectures on Physics, 1963, v1 chp13 p8. [2] Bottcher, C., Theory of Electric Polarization, 1973, v1 pp71,289. [3] Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist, 1949, pp522-523. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Feynman's Lectures Vol II Chapter 10, Page 10-8, describes an electrostatic effect that may be related to the Biefeld-Brown effect. Feynman shows that a force results on a dielectric due to the gradient of the square of the electrical field. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- There have been quite a few people who have also looked at 'gravitationless' universes, such as: Ralph Juergens, 'Reconciling Celestial Mechanics', Pensee Fall 1992. C E R Bruce, A New Approach to Astrophysics and Cosmogony, London 1944 Problems of Atmospheric and Space Electricity, Elsevier, 1965 Eric Crew, Electricity in Astronomy, SIS Review, Vol 1 No 1-4. Earl Milton, Electric Stars in a Gravity-Less Electrified Cosmos SIS Review, Vol V, No 1. Ian Tresman London, UK --------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR: Driscoll, R.B. TITLE: Comments on the paper "Gravitational lift via the Coriolis force" by Leon R. Dragone. In: Hadronic journal. JUL 01 1988 v 11 n 4 Page: 177 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Paper: gr-qc/9503060 From: linet@ccr.jussieu.fr (Bernard LINET) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 14:55:07 +0200 Title: Vacuum polarization induced by a uniformly accelerated charge Author: B. Linet Report-no: GCR-941003 We consider a point charge fixed in the Rindler coordinates which describe a uniformly accelerated frame. We determine an integral expression of the induced charge density due to the vacuum polarization at the first order in the fine structure constant. In the case where the acceleration is weak, we give explicitly the induced electrostatic potential. Paper: gr-qc/9504023 From: Mathias PILLIN Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:43:50 +0900 Title: Pure spin-connection formulation of gravity and classification of energy-momentum tensors Author: Mathias PILLIN Report-no: YITP/U-95-12 It is shown how the different irreducibility classes of the energy-momentum tensor allow for a pure spin-connection formulation. Ambiguities in this formulation especially concerning the need for constraints are clarified. Paper: gr-qc/9504041 From: SHORE@crnvma.cern.ch Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:22:56 SET Title: ``Faster than Light'' Photons in Gravitational Fields -- Causality, Anomalies and Horizons Authors: G.M. Shore Report-no: SWAT-95/70 A number of general issues relating to superluminal photon propagation in gravitational fields are explored. The possibility of superluminal, yet causal, photon propagation arises because of Equivalence Principle violating interactions induced by vacuum polarisation in QED in curved spacetime. Two general theorems are presented: first, a polarisation sum rule which relates the polarisation averaged velocity shift to the matter energy-momentum tensor and second, a `horizon theorem' which ensures that the geometric event horizon for black hole spacetimes remains a true horizon for real photon propagation in QED. A comparision is made with the equivalent results for electromagnetic birefringence and possible connections between superluminal photon propagation, causality and the conformal anomaly are exposed. Paper: hep-th/9506035 From: Gary Gibbons Date (revised): Sun, 27 Aug 95 11:31:39 BST Title: Electric-Magnetic Duality Rotations in Non-Linear Electrodynamics Authors: G W Gibbons, D A Rasheed -- To appear in Nucl Phys B Report-no: DAMTP preprint # R95/46. We show that there is a function of one variable's worth of Lagrangians for a single Maxwell field coupled to gravity whose equations of motion admit electric-magnetic duality. Paper: gr-qc/9506053 From: ESPOSITO@napoli.infn.it Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:24:36 +0200 (CET-DST) Title: Euclidean Maxwell Theory in the Presence of Boundaries Author: Giampiero Esposito Comments: 18 pages, plain-tex, to appear in: Heat-Kernel Techniques and Quantum Gravity, Discourses in Mathematics and Its Applications, No. 4, edited by S.A. Fulling (Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas, 1995) Report-no: DSF preprint 95/31 This paper describes recent progress in the analysis of relativistic gauge conditions for Euclidean Maxwell theory in the presence of boundaries. The corresponding quantum amplitudes are studied by using Faddeev-Popov formalism and zeta-function regularization, after expanding the electromagnetic potential in harmonics on the boundary 3-geometry. This leads to a semiclassical analysis of quantum amplitudes, involving transverse modes, ghost modes, coupled normal and longitudinal modes, and the decoupled normal mode of Maxwell theory. Paper: gr-qc/9507050 From: Luis Octavio Pimentel Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Title: Electromagnetic Field in Some Anisotropic Stiff Fluid Universes Authors: Pimentel L O Report-no: UAMI-AG-95-29 The electromagnetic field is studied in a family of exact solutions of the Einstein equations whose material content is a perfect fluid with stiff equation of state (p = $\epsilon $ ). The field equations are solved exactly for several members of the family. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- El Escorial Summer School on Gravitation and General Relativity 1992: Rotating objects and relativistic physics: Proceedings of the El Escorial Summer School on Gravitation and General Relativity (1992) Held at El Escorial, Spain, 24-28 August 1992 / F.J. Chinea, L.M. Gonzalez-Romero, eds. Berlin ; New York : Springer-Verlag, c1993. 302p. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .E36 1992 SUBJECTS: Gravitational fields. General relativity. Astrophysics Chinea, F. J. (Francisco Javier), 1949- Gonzalez-Romero, L. M. (Luis Manuel), 1962- ISBN: 354057364X (Berlin : acid-free paper) : DM90.00 038757364X (New York : acid-free paper) : $62.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Propulsion Techniques: Action and Reaction", Peter J. Turchi, editor, Ohio State University This is the first of three volumes devoted to space propulsion part of a new series of titles with articles taken from the pages of Aerospace America. The three volume collection of over 150 articles rescues the insights, concerns and dreams of dozens of space propulsion experts for the next generation of aerospace scientists and engineers. Written by well-known figures in space propulsion, including Werner von Braun, Martin Summerfield, Ernst Stuhlinger and Jerry Grey, these books provide readily accessible source material for design courses in astronautical engineering. This first volume surveys the technologies of rocketry in the traditional categories of liquid, solid, hybrid, nuclear and electric propulsion. Historical trends and cycles are displayed in each category as articles describe concepts and progress from the early visions of Goddard, Oberth and Tsiolkovsky to proposed (and re-proposed) ideas for advanced space thrusters. In addition to descriptions of rocket engines of various types, including photon and laser propulsion, associated technologies for propellants and space-electrical power systems are discussed. Spring 1995, 350 pp, illus, Paperback ISBN 1-56347-115-9 (Available from the AIAA) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTION TO EXPERIMENTAL GRAVITONICS Abstract of book by S.M.Poliakov and O.S.Poliakov The experiments part covers the following subjects: 1. Light-beam curvature and optical-radiation frequency shift is created and investigated in an artificial nonhomogeneous gravitational field. A new gravitational effect, named "quadrature" frequency shift in the curved light beam is predicted and calculated. 2. Magnetostriction is at last explained as a secondary gravitational effect. An equation derived for magnetostriction permits to calculate the magnetostriction curve. 3. The propagation velocity of gravitational radiation (generated by a laboratory source) was measured for "quadrupole" - 9x10E20 cm/s or squared light velocity. 4. It was demonstrated that gravitation is only one of NONLINEAR-MECHANICS EFFECT, that can be created in mechanical system or in ferromagnetic. The book was published at the author's expense in 1991. Most powerful experimental result described in this book is more than 1200 gramms of pulsed G-force. Several mechanical systems and systems using ferrites are detailed here. Second edition in English is ready for copy process (disket's text). Editors and investors are interested in joint project for publication can get direct contact with Dr. Poliakov by address: Moscow area, 141120, FRIAZINO, 60-let str., 1-167. Phone 7-095-4658822. Alexander V. Frolov P.O.Box 37, St.-Petersburg, 193024, Russia. E-mail: alex@frolov.spb.su ______________________________________________________________________ References: 1. H.E.Puthoff, The energetic vacuum: implications for energy research, Speculations in science and technology, vol.13, No.3, p.247. 2. Thomas Valone, Inertial propulsion... Newsletter of Planetary Association for Clean Energy, vol.7 No.1, p.6-12. Published by PACE, Inc. 100 Bronson Av.,Suite 1001, Ottawa, Ontario K1R 6G8, Canada. 3. Re NASA electrostatic levitation experiments and Thomas Townsend Brown's research look the Newsletter of Planetary Association for Clean Energy, vol.7 No.4.p.7. July, 1994. "Electrogravitics developments" reprinted from NEXUS Special. 4. "The Swiss Methernitha-Linden Converter", p.3-6. Space Energy Newsletter, June 1993, vol.4 No.2. Published by Space Energy Association, P.O.Box 11422, Clearwater, FL 34616, USA. My understanding of this electrostatic machine allows development of a simple scheme: self-rotating thanks to electrostatic forces disk and ordinary electrical generator connected with axis of disk. 5. Conception of Edmund Whittaker ( papers of 1903 -1904 ) is developed by T.E.Bearden in his book "Gravitobiology", published by Tesla Book Co., P.O.Box 121873, Chula Vista, CA 91912, USA. 6. P.D. Ouspensky, A New Model of the Universe, New York, 1971.p.433 in Russian edition of 1993. 7. Example of joint demonstration of "gravity/chronal/over-unit power" effect is invention of Ivan Stepanovitch Filimonenko of 1960. His version of cold fusion system produced: 1. Heat power 2. Motive force without fling back of mass 3. Influence on time-period of half-decay. Article of N.E.Zaev published in "Izobretatel i Razionalizator", Russia, No.1 1995, p.8-9. 8. Alexander V. Frolov, The Application of Potential Energy for Creation of Power, New Energy News, vol.2, No.1, May 1994. Published by Institute for New Energy, P.O.Box 58639, Salt Like City, UT 84158-8639, USA. 9. V.V.Lensky, General for Many-Polarity, Irkutsk, Russia, 1986. Published in Russian by Irkutsk University. 10. N.A.Kozyrev, Selected works, 1991, published by University of St.-Petersburg, in Russian. =================================================================== AUTHOR :Znidarsic, Frank TITLE :Elementary antigravity / Frank Znidarsic. LANGUAGE :ENGLISH PUBLISHED :New York : Vantage Press ; 1989 PHYSICAL DESC :53 p. ; 21 cm. SUBJECT :Gravitation, Antigravity Title: THE SOURCE OF INERTIAL AND GRAVITATIONAL MASS Author: Frank Znidarsic P.E. FZNIDARS@GPU.COM, ELECTRICAL ENGINEER WITH THE PENN ELECTRIC CO. JOHNSTOWN, Pa. COMMENTS: 8 PAGES ASCII TXT FILE. NEW ENERGY PROJECT, Submitted to the Canadian Journal of Physics, July 94 resubmitted Jan 95 Texted in the DOS editor. (Available at Elektromagnum web site) Title: GENESIS OF AND ZERO POINT ENERGY Author: FZNIDARSIC@GPU.COM, F. Znidarsic Electrical Engineer with the Pennsylvania Electric Co. Johnstown Pa. Comments: ASCII *.TXT, 5 PAGES, Texted on DOS editor submitted to the Canadian Journal of Physics July 94, Resubmitted Jan 95 Report_no: Special Energy Prog. (Available at Elektromagnum web site) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Jackson text is entirely wrong if it does discuss magnetic fields without a potential - the electromagnetic 4-potential A always applies to the conservation of 4-momentum (energy and momentum) by electromagnetic interactions. See GRAVITATION by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The causative agent of gravitational gradients (Potential) was first enumerated G. L. Le Sage in 1784. H. A. Lorentz and G. H. Darwin evaluated Le Sage's postulate mathematically and rejected it when, as a result of their evaluation, it was found that although the postulated process could describe all observed gravitational phenomena (and inherently results is GR), the mechanism REQUIRED a continuous overall LOSS of energy (apparently disappearing into matter, in a clear violation of the conservation of energy). I could go on to suggest that mining this concept and process could lead one to significant "pay dirt" in terms of understanding how GR relates to QM. The kinetic model of Le Sage does lead to a valid model for physical processes. The key is Super-Fluid theory. Both GR and QM are fully described as well as why each dominates at the scales they do. Hemholtz proved that a superfluid vortex ring is infinitely stable and without a boundary dis-continuty can not be created or destroyed. Kelvin mathematically proved that the equations that describe small linear disturbances in a a superfluid vortex sponge are IDENTICAL to the equations that describe the propogation of light through space. A EXCELLENT book on this topic is "A History of the Theories of Aether and Electricity" by Sir Edmund Whitaker, Dover Reprint 1989 and I can not give any reference a higher recommendation. Why is this information not known, that sir is a very long and interesting story. - Paul Stowe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For a more current model, than LeSage's of a sink-source interpretation of gravity, see O.C. Hilgenberg's <>(1945), Dietz Printing Co., contains portions translated from Hilgenberg's work. Hilgenberg developed a quantum numbering system of the atoms based upon Krafft's ether-vortex atom model, entitled <> Which means roughly: A Quantum Number, Vortex Atom model and Hexagonal-ring construction principle lf the periodic system of the chemical elements. Krafft saw the quantization of energy as a logical consequence of a system of particles consisting of, basically, pumps, which could take in and give out energy and ether/space at limited rates, based on rotations of the various rings. Louis Kevran's work on low energy transmutations of the elements was predicted by Krafft's model. And there was a man named Nemos who claimed to have developed a television type microscope not limited by the optical paths of standard microscopes, and I have a photo he took which shows, it is claimed, the nucleous of an iron atom, as a collection of vortices arranged peripherally (non-coaxially). It's like looking down on pearl-like smoke rings connected by vibrating jets. It's an amazing photo(?) Krafft's prediction was that the proton and electron would be double vortex structures, and the neutron a triple vortex structure. The picture seems to confirm that. - Roger Cathey -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there anyone out there who is familiar with modern Kaluza-Klein theory? Or even with the kind Kaluza got Einstein to buy into in 1921 or whenever it was...? This is supposed to unify gravity and electromagnetics in a five-dimensional model. Would it not predict the kind of effects Brown was experimenting with, if true? -John Sangster Kaluza and Klein had the idea of extending GR to 5 dimensions. When they did Maxwell's eqns. just sort of pop out. Unfortunately the weak and strong nuclear forces don't. So people try expanding GR into 10, 11 or even 26. It's interesting to do the reverse. Expand Maxwell's eqns. into 5 dimensions. I did it and soon I'll (hopefully) give some details. But essentially you get two out of three of Newton's gravitational equations. You get something similar to the third eqn. but I haven't convinced myself that mine is a generalization of Newton's. -Ray Cote, KSC Kaluza-Klein theories are an attempt to give a general relativistic explaination for all the forces of nature not just gravity. The original Kaluza-Klein idea was hatched in 1920 by Kaluza and in 1926 by Klein. The basic idea is that there are 4 space dimensions and 1 time dimension (a 5 dimensional maifold) rather than the 3 space dimensions and 1 time dimesnions that there appear to be. Then generalizing Einsteins field equations to this 5 dimensional space (and making the assumption that one of the dimensions gets "curled" up or "compactified") you find that you get Einsteins 4D field equations plus Maxwell's equations. The way that this happens is one of the most beautiful aspects of this theory, and it really makes you (or at least it makes me) think that there should be at least some aspect of this theory that has some correspondence in reality. Kaluza-Klein theories were revived in the mid seventies by A. Chodos (I think) who showed how you can incorparte all the interactions that we know about now (the strong and the weak forces which weren't unified with gravity in Kaluza's original theory, which only unified EM and gravity) by taking spacetime to be 11 dimensional (10 space dimensions and 1 time). I can't really think of a good laymans intro to Kaluza-Klein, but there is a Physics Report in 1985 and 1986 that gives a review of Kaluza-Klein theories by Bailin and Love (?). And there is a Frontiers of Physics book edited by T. Appelquist which reprints most of the important articles on the subject. - Doug Singleton ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Possibly Unifying Effect of the Dynamic Theory", May 1983, by P.E. Williams This is part of a series of works by Williams. The novel aspect of the work it that Williams starts from thermodynamics instead of the usual general relativistic and Newtonian approach. Williams develops the 5-D field equations and the neo-coulombic potential. The equations allow for inductive coupling between the electric and gravitational fields. -- Dennis Cravens ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kaku, Michio. Hyperspace : a scientific odyssey through parallel universes, time warps, and the 10th dimension / Michio Kaku. New York : Oxford University Press, LC CALL NUMBER: QC793.3.F5 K35 1994 *CIP SUBJECTS: Kaluza-Klein theories. Superstring theories. Hyperspace. ISBN: 0195085140 (alk. paper) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AN EXPERIMENT TO TEST THE GRAVITATIONAL AHARONOV-BOHM EFFECT Ho, Vu B. Morgan, Michael J. Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, Australia 1994 8 PAGES, Australian Journal of Physics (ISSN 0004-9506) vol. 47, no. 3 1994 p. 245-252 HTN-95-92507 The gravitational Aharonov-Bohm (AB) effect is examined in the weak-field approximation to general relativity. In analogy with the electromagnetic AB effect, we find that a gravitoelectromagnetic 4-vector potential gives rise to interference effects. A matter wave interferometry experiment, based on a modification of the gravity-induced quantum interference experiment of Colella, Overhauser and Werner (COW), is proposed to explicitly test the gravitoelectric version of the AB effect in a uniform gravitational field. CASI Accession Number: A95-87327 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE INTERACTION OF MAGNETIZATIONS WITH AN EXTERNAL ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD AND A TIME-DEPENDENT MAGNETIC AHARONOV-BOHM EFFECT Joint Inst. for Nuclear Research, Dubna (USSR). AFANASEV, G.N. NELHIEBEL, M. STEPANOVSKIJ, YU. P. AB(Technische Univ., Vienna, Austria.) AC(Academy of Sciences of the Ukraine, Kharkov, Ukraine.) 1994 20 PAGES DE95-613463 JINR-E-2-94-297 Avail: CASI HC A03/MF A01 (US Sales Only) We investigate how the choice of the magnetization distribution inside the sample affects its interaction with the external electromagnetic field. The strong selectivity to the time dependence of the external electromagnetic field arises for the particular magnetizations. This can be used for the storage and ciphering of information. We propose a time-dependent Aharonov-Bohm-like experiment in which the phase of the wave function is changed by the time-dependent vector magnetic potential. The arising time-dependent interference picture may be viewed as a new channel for the information transfer. CASI Accession Number: N95-30368 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR :Doughty, Noel A. (Noel Arthur) TITLE :Lagrangian interaction : an introduction to relativistic symmetry in electrodynamics and gravitation / Noel A. Doughty. PUBLISHED :Sydney ; Readwood City, Calif. : Addison-Wesley, c1990. DESC :xix, 569 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. SUBJECT :Electrodynamics, Gravitation, Relativity, Symmetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GENERALIZED HALL ACCELERATION FOR SPACE PROPULSION SASOH, AKIHIRO AATohoku University, Sendai, Japan In: International Symposium on Space Technology and Science, 18th, Kagoshima, Japan, May 17-22, 1992. Vols. 1 & 2 . A95-82299 Tokyo, Japan ISTS Editorial Board 1992 6 PAGES 1992 p. 403-408 The operation characteristics of electric propulsion devices which utilize Hall effect have been generalized. The electrostatic acceleration is enhanced by thermoelectric effect; an ion kinetic energy can be higher than that associated with the electrostatic potential. Depending on the extent of this effect, there exist two acceleration modes, an electrostatic and an electrostatic/electrothermal hybrid one, the latter characterized by low voltage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ABSTRACTS OF THE AMERICAN MATHEMATICAL SOCIETY: vol. 12 (1991)p.572 Abstract *91T-81-200 by Alexander Abian: "The inertia of Time and the energy spent on moving Time forward" vol. 13 (1992)p.344 Abstract *92T-81-79 by Alexander Abian: "The universal Time" vol. 15 (1994)p.437 Abstract *94T-81-92 by Alexander Abian "Time has inertia. Equivalence of Time and mass" vol. 15 (1994)p.585 Abstract *94T-81-164 by Alexander Abian "Time has inertia. Equivalence of Time and mass. How to measure the mass of Time" _____________________________________________________________________________ Look up a paper published by Miguel Alcubierre in Classical and Quantum Gravity 11 (1994) pp. L73-L77. It's titled "The Warp-Drive: Hyper-Fast Travel within General Relativity". If you can follow a lot of math (or at least the gist of it) it is fascinating. -Ian McBride __________________________________________________________________________ Anomalous Info Nexus S P A C E D R I V E S PO Box 228 Kingston Springs, TN Introductory Reading List U S A 37O82-O228 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Anomalous Info Nexus, 615.952.5638, 3/12/24/96/14.4 Kbps v.32bis, for Space Drive Info, Files, and graphics. Correy, Lee, STAR DRIVER, Del Ray Books, New York, 1976, # 28994 (Fiction) Clarke, Arthur C., PROFILES OF THE FUTURE, Bantam Books, New York 1964, # H2734, pp. 46-6O, 235 Clarke, Arthur C., RENDEVOUS WITH RAMA, Ballantine Books New York 1974, # 24175, pp. 113-4, 2O7-8, 265-6 (Fiction) Davis, William O., Jr., "The Fourth Law Of Motion," ANALOG, May 1962, pp. 83-1O4 Dean, Norman L., "System For Converting Rotary Motion Into Unidirectional Motion," (Dean Drive) U.S. Patent # 2,886,976 Electric Spacecraft Journal, 73 Sunlight Dr, Leicester, NC 28748, 704.683.0313 Voice / 704.683.3511 FAX / 615.952.5638 BBS Published since 1991, Quarterly, Subscription Rate: $24/Yr (Only U.S. publication dedicated to Space Drives R&D) Forward, Robert L., "Spin Drive To The Stars," ANALOG, Apr 1981, pp. 64-7O Harrison, Harry, THE DALETH EFFECT, Berkley SF Books, New York, 1977, # S188O, (Fiction) Kidd, Alexander D. (Aka Sandy), "Gyroscopic Apparatus", U.S. Patent # 5,O24,112 Pournelle, Jerry, A STEP FARTHER OUT, Ace Books, New York, 1983, #78586, pp. 17O-187, 229-238 Sellings, Arthur, THE QUY EFFECT, Berkley SF Books, New York, 1967, # X135O, (Fiction) Stine, G. Harry, "Detesters, Phasers, and Dean Drives," ANALOG, Jun 1976, pp. 68-8O Thornson, Brandson R., "Apparatus For Developing A Propulsive Force," U.S. Patent # 4,631,971 David Jonsson Voice&Fax +46-18-24 51 52 P.O Box 353 Postal giro 499 40 54-7 S-751 06 UPPSALA Internet E-mail t89djo@tdb.uu.se SWEDEN ++++++Cold EMISSION before the end of the century++++++ ___________________________________________________________________________ AUTHOR: Terletskii, IAkov Petrovich, 1912- Paradoksy teorii otnositelnosti. Russian/English TITLE: Paradoxes in the theory of relativity, by Yakov P. Terletskii. With a foreword by Banesh Hoffmann. PUBL.: New York, Plenum Press, 1968 NOTES: Translation of Paradoksy teorii otnositelnosti. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUANTUM FLUCTUATIONS AND SEMICLASSICAL GRAVITY THEORY PH.D. THESIS Tufts Univ., Medford, MA. KUO, CHUNG-I. 1994, 119 PAGES Avail: Univ. Microfilms Order No. DA9419336 Semiclassical gravity theory should serve as a working model before the final theory of quantized gravity is known, or as an approximation for manageable calculations even when the final theory is known. We deal with the important issue of the applicability of the semiclassical theory of gravity, specifically considering the effects of quantum fluctuations of the matter fields and the induced metric perturbations. The quantum fields with negative energy densities are proposed to be the cases where the semiclassical theory is no longer valid. We start with a discussion of the basic notions and developments of semiclassical gravity theory, and continue with a discussion of the establishment of a meaningful measurement of the deviation from semiclassical theory. The measure is a normalized dispersion of the energy density. The non-positive-definiteness of the energy density of quantum fields is derived and discussed. Important cases, like squeezed states and the Casimir effect, which exhibit negative energy densities, are discussed and the deviations from semiclassical theory are checked. A test particle method using a generalized Langevin equation is formulated for the physical description of systems for which the semiclassical theory can not be used. Quantum fields around straight infinite cosmic string is another example of where the negative energy densities may arise. We examine the validity of semiclassical theory for this case. The Casimir force due to the zero-point fluctuations of the electromagnetic fields in the presence of a conducting plate is another case where the quantum fluctuations are large and naive classical consideration should be modified. Using the test particle method, we are able to show that it is a relaxation phenomenon and that a notion of effective temperature can be associated with it. CASI Accession Number: N95-29527 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELECTROMAGNETIC-GRAVITATIONAL CONVERSION CROSS SECTIONS IN EXTERNAL ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS International Centre for Theoretical Physics, Trieste (Italy). LONG, HOANG NGOC SOA, DANG VAN TRAN, TUAN A. SEP. 1994 11 PAGES DE95-613589 IC-94/285 Avail: CASI HC A03/MF A01 (US Sales Only) The classical processes: the conversion of photons into gravitons in the static electromagnetic fields are considered by using Feynman perturbation techniques. The differential cross sections are presented for the conversion in the electric field of the flat condenser and the magnetic field of the solenoid. A numerical evaluation shows that the cross sections may have the observable value in the present technical scenario. CASI Accession Number: N95-30637 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE PHYSICS OF TACHYONS. 3: TACHYON ELECTROMAGNETISM DAWE, ROSS L. HINES, KENNETH C. University of Melbourne, Parkville, Australia 1994 34 PAGES Australian Journal of Physics (ISSN 0004-9506) vol 47, no 4 1994 p 431-464 Research supported by the ARC and the University of Melbourne HTN-95-01061 A new formulation of the theory of tachyons using the same two postulates as in special relativity is applied to electro-magnetism. Tachyonic transformations of the electromagnetic fields E and B are rigorously derived from Maxwell's equations and are shown to be the same as for bradyonic transformations. Tachyonic tranformations of current density, charge density, scalar and vector potentials are also derived and discussed. Tachyonic optics and the four-potential of a moving tachyonic charge are also discussed, along with generalized four-vector transformations and electromagnetic four-tensors in extended relativity. Use is made of a switching principle to show how tachyons automatically obey the law of conservation of electric charge in any inertial reference frame, even though the observed tachyon electric charge is not an invariant between observers. The electromagnetic field produced by a charged tachyon takes the form of a Mach cone, inside which the electromagnetic field is real and detectable, while outside the cone the field generated by the tachyon is imaginary and undetectable. CASI Accession Number: A95-90247 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Franklin, Allan, 1938- The rise and fall of the "Fifth Force" : discovery, pursuit, and justification in modern physics / Allan Franklin. New York : American Institute of Physics, c1993. 141 p. : ill. ; 25 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC6 F673 1993 SUBJECTS: Physics--Methodology. Gravitation. Michlo, George, 1942- The push of gravity / George Michlo ; illustrated by Warwick Humphries. 1st ed. New York : Vantage Press, c1993. xv, 101 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .M49 1993 SUBJECTS: Gravitation. ISBN: 0533091330 Doughty, Noel A. (Noel Arthur) Lagrangian interaction : an introduction to relativistic symmetry in electrodynamics and gravitation / Noel A. Doughty. Sydney ; Readwood City, Calif. : Addison-Wesley, c1990. xix, 569 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC631 .D68 1990 SUBJECTS: Electrodynamics. Gravitation. Relativity. Symmetry. ISBN: 0201416255 (U.S.) : $33.95 Alexander, S. Gravity and inertia : the mechanism / by S. Alexander. Santa Barbara, Calif. : G.E.C. Research, c1985. 64 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .A44 1985 SUBJECTS: Gravitation. Inertia (Mechanics) ISBN: 0939525054 Harrigan, Gregory Leo, 1919- The great gravity myth / Gregory Leo Harrigan. 2nd ed., rev. and enl. Minneapolis : Shanty Press, 1991. p. cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .H28 1991 *CIP - NOT YET IN LC* SUBJECTS: Gravitation--Miscellanea. Serendipity in science. ISBN: 0916403033 (lib. bdg.) : $8.95 Soldano, B. A. A new look at Maxwell's equations and the permittivity of free space / by B.A. Soldano. Greenville, S.C., U.S.A. : Grenridge Pub., 1982. 50 p. LC CALL NUMBER: QB341 .S65 1982 SUBJECTS: Gravitation. Maxwell equations. Gallimore, J. G. Transverse paraphysics : the new science of space, time, and gravity control J.G. Gallimore. Millbrae, Calif. : Tesla Book Co., 1982. ix, 359 p. LC CALL NUMBER: QC173.59.S65 G35 1982 SUBJECTS: Space and time. Gravitation. Mancini Ridolfini, Niccolo. Elettricita e magnetismo; rotazione elettro-magnetica gravitazionale. Bologna, L. Cappelli, 1931. vii, 506 p. illus. 25 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC518 .M36 SUBJECTS: Electromagnetic theory. Space and time. Gravitation. King, Moray B. Tapping the zero-point energy / Moray B. King. Provo, UT : Paraclete Pub., c1989. iii, 169 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC178 .K5575 1989 SUBJECTS: Antigravity. Radiation. Electromagnetics. Force and energy. ISBN: 0962335606 : $9.95 The Large N expansion in quantum field theory and statistical physics : from spin systems to 2-dimensional gravity / editors, Edouard Brezin, Spenta R. Wadia. Singapore ; River Edge, NJ : World Scientific, c1993. xiv, 1130 p. LC CALL NUMBER: QC174.45 .L37 1993 SUBJECTS: Quantum field theory. String models. Gauge fields (Physics) ISBN: 9810204558 Magnetic susceptibility of superconductors and other spin systems / edited by Robert A. Hein, Thomas L. Francavilla, and Donald H. Liebenberg. New York : Plenum Press, c1991. xx, 606 p. : ill. ; 26 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC611.97.M34 M34 1991 SUBJECTS: Superconductors--Magnetic properties--Magnetic susceptibility United States. Office of Naval Research. Office of Naval Research Workshop on Magnetic Susceptibility of Superconductors and Other Spin Systems (1991 : Coolfont, W. Va.) "Proceedings of the Office of Naval Research Workshop on Magnetic Susceptibility of Superconductors and Other Spin Systems, held May 20-23, 1991, in Coolfont, Berkeley Springs, West Virginia"--T.p. verso. ISBN: 0306441977 Spin waves and magnetic excitations / volume editors, A.S. Borovik-Romanov, S.K. Sinha. Amsterdam ; New York : North-Holland ; New York, N.Y. : Sole distributors for the U.S.A. and Canada, Elsevier Science Pub. Co., 1988. LC CALL NUMBER: QC762 .S66 1988 SUBJECTS: Spin waves. Magnons. Dielectrics--Magnetic properties. Metals--Magnetic properties. Modern problems in condensed matter sciences ; v. 22 ISBN: 0444870687 (v. 1) Aono, Osamu, 1937- Rotation of a magnetic field / Osamu Aono and Ryo Sugihara. Nagoya, Japan : Institute of Plasma Physics, Nagoya University, 1986. 6 p. ; 30 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC717.6 .N35 no. 792 (ALTERNATE CLASS QC754.2.M3) SUBJECTS: Magnetic fields. Electrodynamics. Research report (Nagoya Daigaku. Purazumu Kenkyujo) ; IPPJ-792. Handbook of electron spin resonance : data sources, computer technology, relaxation, and ENDOR / edited by Charles P. Poole, Jr. and Horacio A. Farach. New York : American Institute of Physics, c1994. x, 660 p. : ill. ; 25 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC762 .H32 1994 SUBJECTS: Electron paramagnetic resonance. Electron nuclear double resonance spectroscopy. Relaxation phenomena. ISBN: 1563960443 (acid-free) Mims, W. B. The linear electric field effect in paramagnetic resonance / W. B. Mims. Oxford : Clarendon Press, 1976. 339 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC762 .M55 SUBJECTS: Electron paramagnetic resonance. Electric fields. ISBN: 0198519443 : L9.75 Morrison, Clyde A. (Clyde Arthur), 1926- Angular momentum theory applied to interactions in solids / C.A. Morrison. Berlin ; New York : Springer-Verlag, c1988. 159 p. ; 25 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QD475 .M68 1988 SUBJECTS: Crystal field theory. Angular momentum. ISBN: 0387189904 (U.S. : pbk.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mirman, R. Massless representations of the Poincare Group : electromagnetism, gravitation, quantum mechanics, geometry / R. Mirman. Commack, N.Y. : Nova Science Publishers, 1995. p. cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC20.7.G76 M57 1995 *CIP - NOT YET IN LC* SUBJECTS: Representations of groups. Poincare series. Electromagnetism. Gravitation. Quantum theory. Geometry. Mathematical physics. ISBN: 1560722592 Antunez de Mayolo, Santiago, 1887-1967. The neutral element base of matter and probable cause of gravitation / Santiago Antunez de Mayolo. Lima, Peru : Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, 1948. 36 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: MLCS 94/12050 (Q) SUBJECTS: Nuclear physics. Matter--Constitution. Translation of "Work presented in Spanish to the IV. South American Chemistry Congress, Santiago, Chile, March 1948." Ciufolini, Ignazio, 1951- Gravitation and inertia / Ignazio Ciufolini and John Archibald Wheeler. Princeton, N.J. : Princeton University Press, c1995. xi, 498 p. LC CALL NUMBER: QC173.59.G44 C58 1995 SUBJECTS: Geometrodynamics. General relativity. Gravitation. Inertia. ISBN: 0691033234 (acid-free paper) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TITLE: Excalibur Briefing AUTHOR: Thomas E. Bearden COPYRIGHT DATE: 1980, 1988 PUBLISHER: Strawberry Hill Press/A Walnut Hill Book ISBN# 0-89407-060-6 PURCHASED FROM: Tesla Book Co. or Fry's INC. INQ. COMMENTS .... According to the front and rear covers this book explains paranormal phenomena and the interaction of mind and matter. There are 4 chapters plus a glossary and bibliography. 332 pages, 42 photographs, and 40 illustrations. Chapter one is called... A Sampling of Specific Paranormal Phenomena. Some of the subjects in this chapter are...Remote Viewing The Moray Radiant Energy Device, Thought Photography, Pavlita's Psychotronic Generators, UFO's, Kirlian Photograpy, Psychic Surgery Chapter Two is called...A Theoretical Background for Understanding PT, UFO's and PSI Phenomena...Some of the subjects are.... Unexplained Mysteries of Physics, Two Slit Experiment, Radionics, Biofields and Maverick Worlds Chapter Three is called...New Military Applications of PSI Research Some of the subjects covered are...Background to Psychotronic Research in the U.S and the U.S.S.R., Radiation of the U.S. Embassy, Hyperspace Howitzer operation, Virtual States and Hyperspaces, Feynman diagrams The Neurophone, Soviet Woodpecker signals The last chapter covers Soviet Phase Conjugate Directed Energy Weapons (Weapons that use time reversed Electromagnetic Waves) The Glossary is about 30 pages long and is very useful. Bearden, T. E. (Thomas E.), 1930- Excalibur briefing / Thomas E. Bearden ; foreword by John White ; special drawings by Hal Crawford. San Francisco : Strawberry Hill Press, c1980. LC CALL NUMBER: BF1999 .B387 1980 SUBJECTS: Occultism. Unidentified flying objects. ISBN: 0894070150 (pbk.) : $8.95 -------------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE: Magnetism:An Introductory Survey AUTHOR: E.W. Lee COPYRIGHT DATE: 1963,1970 PUBLISHER: Dover Publications Inc. New York ISBN# 0-486-24689-2 PURCHASED FROM: Lindsay Publications COMMENTS .... Paperback, 280 pages, Some photographs and Illustrations Some of subjects covered are....Atomic Theory of Matter, Earth's Magnetism History of Magnetism, Magnetism in Scientific Research, Paramagnetism and Diamagnetism -------------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE: Tesla: The Lost Inventions AUTHOR: George Trinkhaus COPYRIGHT DATE: 1988 PUBLISHER: High Voltage Press ISBN# N/A PURCHASED FROM: Lindsay Publications COMMENTS .... Paper, 33 Pages, 42 Illustrations. Describes Tesla's lost inventions in plain, easy to understand English. According to the author, patents are hard to understand. In the illustrations he shows the patent number. Some of the inventions include... Disk Turbine Rotary Engine Magnifying Transmitter Transport Free Energy Receiver -------------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE: Tesla: Man out of Time AUTHOR: Margaret Cheney COPYRIGHT DATE: 1981 PUBLISHER: Laurel Book by Dell Publishing Co. ISBN# 0-440-39077-X PURCHASED FROM: Tesla Book Co. or Lindsay Publications COMMENTS .... Paperback 320 Pages, 8 Pages of Rare Photographs Good biography of Tesla. 30 Chapters plus Reference Notes. Chapter 29 deals with Tesla's papers and what may have happened to them after he died. -------------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE: The Cosmic Conspiracy AUTHOR: Stan Deyo COPYRIGHT DATE: 1978 PUBLISHER: West Australian Texas Trading ISBN# 0-908477-00-7 PURCHASED FROM: Tesla Book Co. COMMENTS .... Paperback 200 Pages. The book is divided into 3 sections with each section containing at least 6 chapters. Plus there are 7 Appendices. At the end of each section there is a Suggested reading list for that section. Section One deals with research into Electro- Gravitic Propulsion Tesla, Weather Warfare, Conspiracys. Section Two deals with Mysticism and Numerology, mystery schools, Illuminati Section Three deals with Religious Ideas In the appendices there are articles on Townsend Brown, Einstein's Relativity error, Michelson Morley experiment, Electo-Dynamic Propulsion, Practical Ion Craft. Very fascinating book. -------------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE: The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibilty AUTHOR: William L. Moore, Charles Berlitz COPYRIGHT DATE: 1979 PUBLISHER: Fawcett Crest New York ISBN# 0-449-24280-3 PURCHASED FROM: Waldenbooks COMMENTS .... Paperback 288 pages. Book on the alleged Navy experiment to make a ship invisible; to radar or optically or both. Supposedly the ship not only became invisible but dematerialized and rematerialized at a distant location, then re-materialized at the original location (Philadelphia Navy Yard). Plus there were severe side effects to the crew members. Some of the crew were said to have disappeared into another dimension. Some never to return. Chapter 9 (The Unexpected Key) is very interesting because it describes an interview with a scientist who was involved with the Philadelphia experiment when it was being planned. _______________________________________________________________________ The best introduction to dyads and dyadic analysis in electromagnetism in my opinion is the following book: Hollis C Chen, Theory of Electromagnetic Waves: A Coordinate-Free Approach (1983, McGraw-Hill; 1992, TechBooks). _______________________________________________________________________ It's already a proven fact that angular momentum will generate an opposing force to gravity in the way you describe. This is a purely General Relativistic effect. There's an article in the 1988 Foundations of Physics "An Exact Solution to Einstein's Field Equations: Gravitational Force Can Also Be Repulsive!" It requires an immensely huge angular momentum to get any decent repulsion, such that you're not going to get it by any mechanical means ____________________________________________________________________ For those of you who are not familiar with the obscure aspects of General Relativity, hopefully this will steer you in the right direction for further research and knowledge. Non-Newtonian gravitational fields, which may be either attractive or repulsive, can be generated from three effects. These are that of rotating masses, moving masses, or fluctuating masses relative to a stationary, non-rotating body. These effects are similar to centrifugal, Coriolis, and other inertial forces and were first described by W. de Sitter in 1916 and Hans Thirring in 1918. Dr. Robert L. Forward published his Guidelines to Antigravity in March 1963 in the American Journal of Physics. Dr. Forward is an expert in General Relativity and Gravity Research and studied under Weber at the University of Maryland. In his guidelines article, he discusses the dipole effect of gravity as predicted by General Relativity. Unfortunately, the forces generated are extremely weak without very dense mass or extremely high angular velocities. I suggest that everyone with an interest in such aspects obtain a copy of this article and read it through before passing any judgements as to these forces existing or being generated! -- Phillip Carpenter ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some scientists in Boulder, CO (USA) have suceeded in cooling down matter into the elusive Bose-Einstein condensate. The kinetic energy of the atoms in this state have been removed. If you could maintain this state in stable form and spin it, the angular momentum would repel the earth and lift many times its own mass. Outside of the atmosphere, this could produce the desired gravitational dipole effect. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R.Bursill@sheffield.ac.uk (R Bursill) Subject: Hi Tc SC and gravitational shielding Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:14:41 GMT Is anyone familiar with the experiments of Podkletnov et al on weak gravitational shielding from a Meissner levitating, rotating disk of high-Tc superconducting material? The paper is: E. Podkletnov and R. Nieminen, Physica C 203 (1992) 441. E. Podkletnov and A. D. Levit have another paper now, a Tampere University of Technology report, January 1995 (Finland), the experiment having being repeated (I assume no one believed it the first time?). In the 1st experiment a 5 g sample of silicon dioxide was found to loose around 0.05 % of its weight when placed at a distance of 15 mm from the SC disk. The SC disk had diameter 145 mm and thickness 6 mm. Under rotation of the disk the effect increased up to 0.3 %. In the 2nd experiment samples of different composition and weight (10-50 g) were placed at distances of 25 mm to 1.5 m from the disk. The mass loss went as high as around 2 %. I found out about this through a theoretical preprint by Giovanni Modanese, a Von Humboldt Fellow from the Max Plank institute. The preprint no. is MPI-PhT/95-44, May 1995. A colleage got it from hep-th@babbage.sissa.it, paper 9505094. Modanese thinks that it is something to do with the bose condensate from the SC interacting with the gravitational field. He uses some non-perturbative quantum theory on the Regge lattice to attempt to understand the effect. Must be a little bit like explaining cold fusion with the standard tools - couldn't be done. We all know what happened to cold fusion but at the time a professor from my department said in a public lecture that the product of the believability and the potential importance if true was of order 1. - Robert Bursill ------------------------------------------------------------------- Title: Theoretical analysis of a reported weak gravitational shielding effect Author: G. Modanese (Max-Planck-Institut, Munich) Report-no: MPI-PhT/95-44 May 1995 Under special conditions (Meissner-effect levitation and rapid rotation) a disk of high-Tc superconducting material has recently been found to produce a weak shielding of the gravitational field. We show that this phenomenon has no explanation in the standard gravity theories, except possibly in the non-perturbative quantum theory on the Regge lattice. More data, and independent repetitions of the experiment are however necessary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Title: ANGULAR MOMENTUM PARADOXES WITH SOLENOIDS AND MONOPOLES In: Phys.Lett.118B:385,1982 Date/Source: August 1982 Fermilab Library: FERMILAB-PUB-82/53-THY -- Preprint -- Available Title: Long range effects in asymptotic fields and angular momentum of classical field electrodynamics Date/Source: February 1995 Fermilab Library: CALL NUMBER DESY-95-035 -- Preprint -- Available Title: Angular Momentum Authors: Brink, D. M. (David Maurice), and G.R. Satchler Date/Source: Oxford : Clarendon Press ; New York : Oxford University Press, 1993. *LOCKED CASE - ASK LIB STAFF* Fermilab Library: CALL NUMBER QC793.3.A5 B75 1993 -- Book -- Available -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR(s): Hayasaka, Hideo Takeulchi, Sakae TITLE: Gravitation and Astrophysics. Summary: Anomalous weight reduction on a gyroscope's right rotations around the vertical axis on the Earth. In: Physical review letters. DEC 18 1989 v 63 n 25 Page 2701 AUTHOR(s): Starzhinskii, V.M. TITLE: An exceptional case of motion of the Kovalevskaia gyroscope. In: PMM, Journal of applied mathematics and mechanic 1983 v 47 n 1 Page 134 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sphinx@world.std.com (John Sangster, SPHINX Technologies) Subject: Weight Reduction in Spinning Masses Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:04:35 GMT Recently Hideo Hayasaka and Sakae Takeuchi of the Engineering Faculty at Tohoku University in Japan have published an experimental result of this sort. They found that gyroscopes spinning clockwise as seen from above, at their location, exhibited a decrease in relative mass of 5.07 x 10^-5 and 4.22 x 10^-5 respectively for the two gyroscope configurations studied. (Weight was multiplied by 1-e where e is the relative factors given above, if I haven't botched up in my arithmetic.) The effect as plotted in the paper I saw appears to be perfectly linear to within reasonable experimental error, thus giving a rotational velocity at which the weight would go to zero which I made out to be 3.27 MHz (million rotations per second) in the first case and 3.95 MHz in the second. That was with CLOCKWISE rotation as seen from above. With COUNTERclockwise rotation, the same experimental setup showed ZERO EFFECT. Zip. Nada. Nichts. Nyechevo. You get the idea. For one thing, this result makes it almost certain that they are NOT dealing with bad lab technique. Not to mention the fact that they spent nearly a year and a half going over and over their setup and trying to answer all objections by the reviewers of their Physical Review Letters paper (it eventually appeared in PRL (63 2701)). As far as I know, nobody has published a theoretical model that accounts for these observations. The idea of a physical phenomenon that appears only in one direction of rotation is rather unprecedented. I know of only one other mathematical/physical phenomenon that does this, and I'm trying to understand how the two might be related, but without success as yet. -- John Sangster ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe I've missed it, but I've looked seriously, and there seems > to be no information in undergraduate or graduate level physics > reference books which mentions the relationship between > macroscopic and microscopic angular momentum -- much less > provides any analysis or explanation linking quantum angular > momentum to macroscopic angular momentum. You're catching on. The subject of compound angular momentum, or internal and external angular momentum, or intrinsic and extrinsic angular momentum has been a repressed subject for about 2 and half decades. Add to that list, spherical pendulums, Coriolis effect, except as applied to balistics and meteorology as used by the US military, and Shafer's pendulum, that neat little device used as the artifical horizon of aircraft. > How does quantum angular momentum become organized from a > microscopic to a macroscopic level? Has anyone ever published > any work about this? I can't find any. There isn't any that I know of, though back in the late fifties, there was a fellow named Edward Condon at the University of Colorado who was fairly proficient on the subject. So much so that he wrote the rotational dynamics section, called noninertial dynamics at the time, of the reference "The Handbook of Physics" which he also co-edited (Chapter 5). I don't recall offhand who the publisher was (Harcourt/Brace?), though it was endorsed by the American Institute of Physics. Later, when Mr Condon was the head of the USAF project 'Blue Book', he labored to supress his own work when the directive was handed down from the Navy's Turtle Island project. -- James Youlton ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In the Barnett effect a long iron cylinder, when rotated at high speed about its longitudinal axis, is found to develop a measurable component of magnetization, the value of which is proportional to the angular speed. The effect is attributed to the influence of the impressed rotation upon the revolving electronics systems due to the mass property of the unpaired electrons within the atoms. -- Henry Wallace ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Barnett, S.J., "Magnetization By Rotation," The American Physical Society, Second Series, vol. VI, No. 2, Jun., 1915, pp. 171-172. Barnett, S.J., "Magnetization By Rotation," The Physical Review, Second Series, vol. VI., No. 4, Oct., 1915, pp. 239-270. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Barnett Effect is known to me as the effect of a change in volume of a magnetic material in response to a change in it's magnetization strength. If a ferrite material is exposed to a higher magnetization field (more current through the coil) the ferritd will change in volume. I was not aware that this has anything to do with alignment to a spinning axis. For further information about this aspect of the Barnett effect, see: Ref. Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, by Harry S Burk, Van Nostrand Reinhold 1986 Page 262. -- William Clymer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Magnetic systems with competing interactions : frustrated spin systems / edited by H.T. Diep. Singapore ; River Edge, N.J. : World Scientific, c1994. xiv, 335 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC754.2.S75 M34 1994 SUBJECTS: Magnetization. Rotational motion. Spin waves. Ferromagnetism. CONTENTS: Nonlinear phenomena and chaos in magnetic materials / P.E. Wigen -- Some nonlinear effects in magnetically ordered materials / H. Suhl -- Spin-wave instability processes in ferrites / M. Chen & C.E. Patton -- Spin-wave dynamics in a ferrimagnetic sphere: experiments and models / P.H. Bryant, D.C. Jeffries, & K. Nakamura -- Spin-wave auto-oscillations in YIG spheres driven by parallel pumping and subsidiary resonance / S.M. Rezende & A. Azevedo -- Strong chaos in magnetic resonance / M. Warden -- Magnetostatic modes in thin films / R.D. McMichael & P.E. Wigen -- Fractal properties in magnetic crystal / H. Yamazaki -- Spin-wave envelope solitons in magnetic films / A.N. Slavin, B.A. Kalinikos, & N.G. Korshikov. ISBN: 9810210051 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bonaldi, M., et al., "Inertial and Gravitational Experiments With Superfluids: A Progress Report," Proceedings of the Fourth Marcel Grossmann Meeting on General Relativity, Elsevler Science Publishers B.V., 1985, pp. 1309-1317. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hence the Wilson-Blackett proportionality between the angular momentum of planets, stars etc and their magnetic moment. For more information see Science News Aug 6 '94 p82. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR(s): Bloxham, Jeremy Gubbins, David TITLE(s): The Evolution of the Earth's Magnetic Field. Summary: The origin of the field has fascinated more than a dozen generations of physicists. Molten iron in the outer core, driven by convection and influenced by the earth's rotation, acts as a dynamo that generates the field. Now historical records of magnetic-field changes yield new insights into the process and into how the field may behave in the future. In: Scientific American. DEC 01 1989 v 261 n 6 Page 68 AUTHOR(s): Malov, I.F. TITLE(s): Angle between the magnetic field and the rotation axis in pulsars. In: Soviet astronomy. MAR 01 1990 v 34 n 2 Page 189 AUTHOR(s): Marsheva, N. M. TITLE(s): Permanent rotation of a heavy rigid body in a magnetic field. In: Moscow university mechanics bulletin. 1989 v 44 n 1 AUTHOR(s): Vitale, S. Bonaldi, M. Falferi, P. TITLE: Magnetization by rotation and gyromagnetic gyroscopes. Summary: We discuss how the general phenomenon of magnetization by rotation may be used probe the angular velocity of the laboratory with respect to a local frame of inertia. We show that gyroscope with no moving parts based on this pheno- In: Physical review B: Condensed matter. JUN 01 1989 v 39 n 16 p B Page 11993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONDENSED MATTER THEORY, ABSTRACT COND-MAT/9509141 From: Erwin Frey Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:43:52 +0200 Critical Dynamics of Magnets Authors: Erwin Frey , Franz Schwabl (TU Muenchen) Comments: Review article (154 pages, figures included) We review our current understanding of the critical dynamics of magnets above and below the transition temperature with focus on the effects due to the dipole--dipole interaction present in all real magnets. Significant progress in our understanding of real ferromagnets in the vicinity of the critical point has been made in the last decade through improved experimental techniques and theoretical advances in taking into account realistic spin-spin interactions. We start our review with a discussion of the theoretical results for the critical dynamics based on recent renormalization group, mode coupling and spin wave theories. A detailed comparison is made of the theory with experimental results obtained by different measuring techniques, such as neutron scattering, hyperfine interaction, muon--spin--resonance, electron--spin--resonance, and magnetic relaxation, in various materials. Furthermore we discuss the effects of dipolar interaction on the critical dynamics of three--dimensional isotropic antiferromagnets and uniaxial ferromagnets. Special attention is also paid to a discussion of the consequences of dipolar anisotropies on the existence of magnetic order and the spin--wave spectrum in two--dimensional ferromagnets and antiferromagnets. We close our review with a formulation of critical dynamics in terms of nonlinear Langevin equations. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paper: cond-mat/9501029 From: Kazuhiro Kuboki Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 10:40:11 EST Title: Proximity-induced time-reversal symmetry breaking at Josephson junctions between unconventional superconductors Author: Kazuhiro Kuboki and Manfred Sigrist We argue that a locally time-reversal symmetry breaking state can occur at Josephson junctions between unconventional superconductors. Order parameters induced by the proximity effect can combine with the bulk order parameter to form such a state. This property is specifically due to the intrinsic phase structure of the pairing wave function in unconventional superconductors. Experimental consequences of this effect in high-temperature superconductors are examined. Paper: cond-mat/9501088 From: David Benedict Bailey Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:34:10 -0800 (PST) Title: Gapless Time-Reversal Symmetry Breaking Superconductivity Authors: A. M. Tikofsky and D. B. Bailey We consider a layered superconductor with a complex order parameter whose phase switches sign from one layer to the next. This system is shown to exhibit gapless superconductivity for sufficiently large interlayer pairing or interlayer hopping. In addition, this description is consistent with experiments finding signals of time-reversal symmetry breaking in high-temperature superconductors only at the surface and not in the sample bulk. Paper: cond-mat/9501133 From: ioffe@physics.rutgers.edu (Lev Ioffe) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 08:59:22 EST Title: On the spin density wave transition in a two dimensional spin liquid. Authors: B. L. Altshuler, L. B. Ioffe, A. I. Larkin, A. J. Millis. Strongly correlated two dimensional electrons are believed to form a spin liquid in some regimes of density and temperature. As the density is varied, one expects a transition from this spin liquid state to a spin density wave antiferromagnetic state. In this paper we show that it is self-consistent to assume that this transition is second order and, on this assumption, determine the critical behavior of the 2p_F susceptibility, the NMR rates T1 and T2 and the uniform susceptibility. We compare our results to data on high Tc materials. Paper: gr-qc/9502041 From: Barry Haddow Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 18:59:15 (GMT) Title: Purely Magnetic Spacetimes Author: Barry Haddow (Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland) Purely magnetic spacetimes, in which the Riemann tensor satisfies R_{abcd}u^bu^d=0 for some unit timelike vector u^a, are studied. The algebraic consequences for the Weyl and Ricci tensors are examined in detail and consideration given to the uniqueness of u^a. Some remarks concerning the nature of the congruence associated with u^a are made. Paper: cond-mat/9502103 From: deb@rri.ernet.in (Debnarayan Jana) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 11:23:21+050 Title: Universal Diamagnetism of Charged Scalar Fields Authors: Debnarayan Jana We show that charged scalar fields are always diamagnetic, even in the presence of interactions and at finite temperatures. This generalises earlier work on the diamagnetism of charged spinless bosons to the case of infinite degrees of freedom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "CP Violation and Antigravity Revisited", G. Chardin, Nuclear Physics, Jun 7 1993, Vol 558 "Equivalence Principal Violation, Antigravity and Anyons Induced by Gravitational Chern-Simons Couplings", S. Deser, Classical and Quantum Gravity, 1992, Vol 9 Supp "The Arguments Against Antigravity and the Gravitational Acceleration of Anti-Matter", Michael Martin, Physics Reports, Jul 1 1991, Vol 205 "Empirical Limits to Antigravity", Ericson & Richter, Europhysics Letters, Feb 15 1990, Vol 11 no 4 "Chern-Simons Quantizations of (2+1) Anti-de Sitter Gravity on a Torus", K. Ezawa, Classical and Quantum Gravity, Feb 1 1995 Vol 12 No 2 "Green's Function for Anti-de Sitter Space Gravity", Gary Kleppe, Physical Review d: Particles, Fields, Gravity; Dec 15 1994 Vol 50 No 12 "Lowest Eigenvalues of the Energy Operator for Totally Anti Symmetric Massless Fields of the N-Dimensional Anti-de Sitter Group", R.R. Metsaev, Classical and Quantum Gravity, Nov 1 1994, Vol 11 No 11 "The Positivity of Energy for Asymptotically Anti-de Sitter Spacetimes", E. Woolgar, Classical and Quantum Gravity, Jul 1 1994, Vol 11 No 7 "Vacuum Polarization Near Asymptotically Anti-de Sitter Black Holes in Odd Dimensions", Shiraishi & Maki, Classical and Quantum Gravity, Jul 1 1994, Vol 11 No 7 "Strong Anti Gravity: Life in the Shock Wave", Fabbrichesi & Roland, Nuclear Physics B, Dec 21 1992, Vol 388 No 2 "Global Solutions of Yang-Mills Equations on Anti-de Sitter Spacetime", Choquet-Bruhat, Classical and Quantum Gravity, Dec 1 1989, Vol 6 No 12 "The Scalar Wave Equation on Static de Sitter and Anti-de Sitter Spacetimes", D. Polarski, Classical and Quantum Gravity, Jun 1 1989 "Lehman Representation of the Spinor Two-Point Function in Anti-de Sitter Space", E. Gath, Classical and Quantum Gravity, May 1 1989, Vol 6 no 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Bernhard Haisch has modeled inertial mass as deriving from an accelerated body's interaction with the zero point field (ZPF), consonant with a large body of refereed physics literature. Haisch in Feb 1994 Phys. Rev. A Science vol 263 p 612 Scientific American vol 270, p 30 New Scientist 25 Feb 1995 p 30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gravity as a Zero-Point-Fluctuation Force," H.E. Puthoff, Physical Review A: General Physics. Mar 1 1989, Vol39 No 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 4 February 1994 issue of Science magazine has an article about a new theory of inertia. A recent paper by Bernhard Haisch, Alfonso Rueda and Hal Puthoff in the 1 Feb 1994 issue of Physical Review A, based on earlier work by Andrei Sakharov, derives inertia from quantum electromagnetic vacuum fluctuations. The idea is that if inertia is due to some strange quantum EM effects, it might be understood and controlled, and even neutralized. Haisch is at the Lockheed Palo Alto laboratories, Rueda, at Cal. State. Long Beach, and Puthoff at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin Texas. Needless to say, this new theory is serious, but very controversial physics. A test is planned later this year at the SLAC linear accelerator by exposing a high energy electron beam to terawatt laser. Keep tuned! -- John H. Chalmers Jr -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A recent controversial theory of Austin Institute for Advanced Study physicist Hal Puthoff and his collaborators Haisch and Rueda appears to explain gravity as not an intrinsic property of matter but as an indirect consequence of Maxwellian electromagnetic radiation, namely that (as earlier suggested by the late Russian dissenter Sakharov) gravity is a "shadow effect" similar to the Casimir Effect of quantum electrodynamics. Bass points out that if the Haisch-Puthoff-Rueda theory is correct then Hodowanec's idea of tapping the earth's gravity field in some electromagnetic way not hitherto suggested is conceivable. - Joel McClain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Krech, Michael. The Casimir effect in critical systems / Michael Krech. Singapore ; River Edge, NJ : World Scientific, c1994. x, 253 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC173.4.C74 K74 1994 SUBJECTS: Critical phenomena. Casimir effect. ISBN: 9810218451 Cavity quantum electrodynamics/edited by Paul R. Berman. Boston : Academic Press, c1994. xvi, 464 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC446.2 .C38 1994 SUBJECTS: Quantum optics. Quantum electrodynamics. Casimir effect. ISBN: 0120922452 (alk. paper) Long-range Casimir forces : theory and recent experiments on atomic systems Edited by Frank S. Levin and David A. Micha. New York : Plenum Press, c1993. LC CALL NUMBER: QC680 .L63 1993 SUBJECTS: Casimir effect. ISBN: 0306443856 Physics in the making : essays on developments in 20th century physics: in honour of H.B.G. Casimir on the occasion of his 80th birthday/ edited by A. Sarlemijn and M.J. Sparnaay. Amsterdam : North-Holland; New York, N.Y., U.S.A. : Sole distributors for the U.S.A. and Canada, Elsevier Science Pub. Co., 1989. xiv, 361 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: QC7 .P48 1989 SUBJECTS: Casimir, H. B. G. (Hendrik Brugt Gerhard), 1909- Casimir, H. B. G. (Hendrik Brugt Gerhard), 1909- Sarlemijn, Andries, 1936- Sparnaay, M. J. (Marcus Johannes) ISBN: 0444881212 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9212077 From: milton@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Kim Milton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:13:13 CST MAXWELL-CHERN-SIMONS CASIMIR EFFECT, KIMBALL A. MILTON, DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS AND ASTRONOMY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA In odd-dimensional spaces, gauge invariance permits a Chern-Simons mass term for the gauge fields in addition to the usual Maxwell-Yang-Mills kinetic energy term. We study the Casimir effect in such a (2+1)-dimensional Abelian theory. For the case of parallel conducting lines the result is the same as for a scalar field. For the case of circular boundary conditions the results are completely different, with even the sign of the effect being opposite for Maxwell-Chern-Simons fields and scalar fields. We further examine the effect of finite temperature. The Casimir stress is found to be attractive at both low and high temperature. Possibilities of observing this effect in the laboratory are discussed. GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9303038 PHYS. REV. D 48, 776 (1993) FROM: LFORD@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 17:47 EDT MOTION OF INERTIAL OBSERVERS THROUGH NEGATIVE ENERGY, BY L.H. FORD AND THOMAS A. ROMAN, Recent research has indicated that negative energy fluxes due to quantum coherence effects obey uncertainty principle-type inequalities of the form $|\Delta E|\,{\Delta \tau} \lprox 1\,$. Here $|\Delta E|$ is the magnitude of the negative energy which is transmitted on a timescale $\Delta \tau$. Our main focus in this paper is on negative energy fluxes which are produced by the motion of observers through static negative energy regions. We find that although a quantum inequality appears to be satisfied for radially moving geodesic observers in two and four-dimensional black hole spacetimes, an observer orbiting close to a black hole will see a constant negative energy flux. In addition, we show that inertial observers moving slowly through the Casimir vacuum can achieve arbitrarily large violations of the inequality. It seems likely that, in general, these types of negative energy fluxes are not constrained by inequalities on the magnitude and duration of the flux. We construct a model of a non-gravitational stress-energy detector, which is rapidly switched on and off, and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of such a detector. GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9304008 PHYS. REV. D 47, 4510 (1993). FROM: LFORD@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 12:56 EDT SEMICLASSICAL GRAVITY THEORY AND QUANTUM FLUCTUATIONS, BY CHUNG-I KUO AND L. H. FORD. We discuss the limits of validity of the semiclassical theory of gravity in which a classical metric is coupled to the expectation value of the stress tensor. It is argued that this theory is a good approximation only when the fluctuations in the stress tensor are small. We calculate a dimensionless measure of these fluctuations for a scalar field on a flat background in particular cases, including squeezed states and the Casimir vacuum state. It is found that the fluctuations are small for states which are close to a coherent state, which describes classical behavior, but tend to be large otherwise. We find in all cases studied that the energy density fluctuations are large whenever the local energy density is negative. This is taken to mean that the gravitational field of a system with negative energy density, such as the Casimir vacuum, is not described by a fixed classical metric but is undergoing large metric fluctuations. We propose an operational scheme by which one can describe a fluctuating gravitational field in terms of the statistical behavior of test particles. For this purpose we obtain an equation of the form of the Langevin equation used to describe Brownian motion. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - PHENOMENOLOGY, ABSTRACT HEP-PH/9307258 From: langfeld@ptsun1.tphys.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Kurt Langfeld) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 08:04:30 +0200 CASIMIR EFFECT OF STRONGLY INTERACTING SCALAR FIELDS, BY K. LANGFELD, F. SCHMUSER, AND H. REINHARDT Non-trivial $\phi ^{4}$-theory is studied in a renormalisation group invariant approach inside a box consisting of rectangular plates and where the scalar modes satisfy periodic boundary conditions at the plates. It is found that the Casimir energy exponentially approaches the infinite volume limit, the decay rate given by the scalar condensate. It therefore essentially differs from the power law of a free theory. This might provide experimental access to properties of the non-trivial vacuum. At small interplate distances the system can no longer tolerate a scalar condensate, and a first order phase transition to the perturbative phase occurs. The dependence of the vacuum energy density and the scalar condensate on the box dimensions are presented. GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC 9310007 PHYSICA SCRIPTA 48, 649 (1993) FROM: harald@nordita.dk (Harald H. Soleng) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 INVERSE SQUARE LAW OF GRAVITATION IN (2+1)-DIMENSIONAL SPACE-TIME AS A CONSEQUENCE OF CASIMIR ENERGY, H. H. SOLENG, The gravitational effect of vacuum polarization in space exterior to a particle in (2+1)-dimensional Einstein theory is investigated. In the weak field limit this gravitational field corresponds to an inverse square law of gravitational attraction, even though the gravitational mass of the quantum vacuum is negative. The paradox is resolved by considering a particle of finite extension and taking into account the vacuum polarization in its interior. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9312069 From: segui@cc.unizar.es Date: Thu, 9 DEC 93 13:50 GMT A MODIFIED SCHWINGER'S FORMULA FOR THE CASIMIR EFFECT, M.V. COUGO-PINTO, C. FARINA AND ANTONIO J. SEGUI-SANTONJA After briefly reviewing how the (proper-time) Schwinger's formula works for computing the Casimir energy in the case of "scalar electrodynamics" where the boundary conditions are dictated by two perfectly conducting parallel plates with separation "a" in the Z-axis, we propose a slightly modification in the previous approach based on an analytical continuation method. As we will see, for the case at hand our formula does not need the use of Poisson summation to get a (renormalized) finite result. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9401123 From: segui@cc.unizar.es Date: Tue, 25 JAN 94 21:47 GMT SCHWINGER'S METHOD FOR THE MASSIVE CASIMIR EFFECT, BY M.V. COUGO-PINTO, C. FARINA AND A.J. SEGUI-SANTONJA We apply to the massive scalar field a method recently proposed by Schwinger to calculate the Casimir effect. The method is applied with two different regularization schemes: the Schwinger original one by means of Poisson formula and another one by means of analytical continuation. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9405060 From: Shtykov Nikolay Date: Tue, 10 May 94 17:40:50 JST THE FINITE VACUUM ENERGY FOR SPINOR, SCALAR AND VECTOR FIELDS, N.SHTYKOV We compute the one-loop potential (the Casimir energy) for scalar, spinor and vectors fields on the spaces $\,R^{m+1}\, \times\,Y$ with $\,Y=\,S^N\,,CP^2$. As a physical model we consider spinor electrodynamics on four-dimensional product manifolds. We examine the cancelation of a divergent part of the Casimir energy on even-dimensional spaces by means of including the parameter $\,M$ in original action. For some models we compare our results with those found in the literature. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9408172 From: LFORD@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) DECOHERENCE AND VACUUM FLUCTUATIONS, L.H. FORD, TUFTS UNIVERSITY The interference pattern of coherent electrons is effected by coupling to the quantized electromagnetic field. The amplitudes of the interference maxima are changed by a factor which depends upon a double line integral of the photon two-point function around the closed path of the electrons. The interference pattern is sensitive to shifts in the vacuum fluctuations in regions from which the electrons are excluded. Thus this effect combines aspects of both the Casimir and the Aharonov-Bohm effects. The coupling to the quantized electromagnetic field tends to decrease the amplitude of the interference oscillations, and hence is a form of decoherence. The contributions due to photon emission and to vacuum fluctuations may be separately identified. It is to be expected that photon emission leads to decoherence, as it can reveal which path an electron takes. It is less obvious that vacuum fluctuations also can cause decoherence. What is directly observable is a shift in the fluctuations due, for example, to the presence of a conducting plate. In the case of electrons moving parallel to conducting boundaries, the dominant decohering influence is that of the vacuum fluctuations. The shift in the interference amplitudes can be of the order of a few percent, so experimental verification of this effect may be possible. The possibility of using this effect to probe the interior of matter, e.g., to determine the electrical conductivity of a rod by means of electrons encircling it is discussed. (Presented at the Conference on Fundamental Problems in Quantum Theory, University of Maryland, Baltimore County, June 18-22, 1994.) GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9410043 PHYS. REV. D 51, 4277(1995). FROM: FORD@TUHEP.PHY.TUFTS.EDU Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 20:33 EST AVERAGED ENERGY CONDITIONS AND QUANTUM INEQUALITIES, L.H. FORD AND THOMAS A. ROMAN Connections are uncovered between the averaged weak (AWEC) and averaged null (ANEC) energy conditions, and quantum inequality restrictions on negative energy for free massless scalar fields. In a two-dimensional compactified Minkowski universe, we derive a covariant quantum inequality-type bound on the difference of the expectation values of the energy density in an arbitrary quantum state and in the Casimir vacuum state. From this bound, it is shown that the difference of expectation values also obeys AWEC and ANEC-type integral conditions. In contrast, it is well-known that the stress tensor in the Casimir vacuum state alone satisfies neither quantum inequalities nor averaged energy conditions. Such difference inequalities represent limits on the degree of energy condition violation that is allowed over and above any violation due to negative energy densities in a background vacuum state. In our simple two-dimensional model, they provide physically interesting examples of new constraints on negative energy which hold even when the usual AWEC, ANEC, and quantum inequality restrictions fail. In the limit when the size of the space is allowed to go to infinity, we derive quantum inequalities for timelike and null geodesics which, in appropriate limits, reduce to AWEC and ANEC in ordinary two-dimensional Minkowski spacetime. We also derive a quantum inequality bound on the energy density seen by an inertial observer in four-dimensional Minkowski spacetime. The bound implies that any inertial observer in flat spacetime cannot see an arbitrarily large negative energy density which lasts for an arbitrarily long period of time. GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9411053 From: "Haret Rosu" Date: 20 Nov 94 21:15:00 CST On the assignment of frequency spectra to quantum vacuum effects, Author: Haret C. Rosu, Report: IFUG-25/94, I discuss in an introductory manner, i.e., in the form of comments on available references, the problem of assigning frequency spectra to such fundamental effects like Casimir, Hawking, Unruh, and squeezing effects. This may help to clarify their differences as well as their similarities. GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9411056 From: ulvi@tapir.Caltech.EDU (Ulvi Yurtsever) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 15:56:11 -0800 The averaged null energy condition and difference inequalities in quantum field theory, by: Ulvi Yurtsever Recently, Larry Ford and Tom Roman have discovered that in a flat cylindrical space, although the stress-energy tensor itself fails to satisfy the averaged null energy condition (ANEC) along the (non-achronal) null geodesics, when the ``Casimir-vacuum" contribution is subtracted from the stress-energy the resulting tensor does satisfy the ANEC inequality. Ford and Roman name this class of constraints on the quantum stress-energy tensor ``difference inequalities." Here I give a proof of the difference inequality for a minimally coupled massless scalar field in an arbitrary two-dimensional spacetime, using the same techniques as those we relied on to prove ANEC in an earlier paper with Robert Wald. I begin with an overview of averaged energy conditions in quantum field theory. QUANTUM PHYSICS, ABSTRACT QUANT-PH/9502024 From: MANKO@napoli.infn.it Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:32:21 +0200 (CET) Deformation of Partical Distribution Functions due to Q-nonlinearity and Nonstationary Casimir Effect, Author: V. I. Man'ko The geometrical phase is shown to be integral of motion. Deformation of particle distribution function corresponding to nonstationary Casimir effect is expressed in terms of multivariable Hermite polynomials. Correction to Planck distribution due to q--nonlinearity is discussed. QUANTUM PHYSICS, ABSTRACT QUANT-PH/9503001 From: onofrio%38619.hepnet@Csa4.LBL.Gov Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:23:43 PST Detecting Casimir Forces through a Tunneling Electromechanical Transducer Authors: Roberto Onofrio , Giovanni Carugno We propose the use of a tunneling electromechanical transducer to dinamically detect Casimir forces between two conducting surfaces. The maximum distance for which Casimir forces should be detectable with our method is around $1 \mu$m, while the lower limit is given by the ability to approach the surfaces. This technique should permit to study gravitational forces on the same range of distances, as well as the vacuum friction provided that very low dissipation mechanical resonators are used. CONDENSED MATTER THEORY, ABSTRACT COND-MAT/9505023 From: moraes@guinness.ias.edu (Fernando Moraes) Date: Fri, 5 May 95 09:35:57 EDT Casimir effect around disclinations Author: Fernando Moraes (Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton) This communication concerns the structure of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum in a disclinated insulator. It is shown that a nonzero vacuum energy density appears when the rotational symmetry of a continuous insulating elastic medium is broken by a disclination. An explicit expression is given for this Casimir energy density in terms of the parameter describing the disclination. CONDENSED MATTER THEORY, ABSTRACT COND-MAT/9505108 From: moraes@guinness.ias.edu (Fernando Moraes) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 17:12:35 EDT Enhancement of the magnetic moment of the electron due to a topological defect Author: Fernando Moraes (Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton) In the framework of the theory of defects/three-dimensional gravitation, it is obtained a positive correction to the magnetic moment of the electron bound to a disclination in a dielectric solid. QUANTUM PHYSICS, ABSTRACT QUANT-PH/9506005 From: JAEKEL Marc Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 16:30:40 +0200 Mechanical Effects of Radiation Pressure Quantum Fluctuations Authors: Marc-Thierry Jaekel (Laboratoire de Physique Th\'eorique de l'Ecole Normale Sup\'erieure) , Serge Reynaud (Laboratoire Kastler-Brossel) As revealed by space-time probing, mechanics and field theory come out as complementary descriptions for motions in space-time. In particular, quantum fields exert a radiation pressure on scatterers which results in mechanical effects that persist in vacuum. They include mean forces due to quantum field fluctuations, like Casimir forces, but also fluctuations of these forces and additional forces linked to motion. As in classical electron theory, a moving scatterer is submitted to a radiation reaction force which modifies its motional response to an applied force. We briefly survey the mechanical effects of quantum field fluctuations and discuss the consequences for stability of motion in vacuum and for position fluctuations. QUANTUM PHYSICS, ABSTRACT QUANT-PH/9506006 From: JAEKEL Marc Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 16:58:17 +0200 Quantum Fluctuations and Inertia Authors: Marc-Thierry Jaekel (Laboratoire de Physique Th\'eorique de l'Ecole Normale Sup\'erieure) , Serge Reynaud (Laboratoire Kastler-Brossel) Vacuum field fluctuations exert a radiation pressure which induces mechanical effects on scatterers. The question naturally arises whether the energy of vacuum fluctuations gives rise to inertia and gravitation in agreement with the general principles of mechanics. As a new approach to this question, we discuss the mechanical effects of quantum field fluctuations on two mirrors building a Fabry-Perot cavity. We first put into evidence that the energy related to Casimir forces is an energy stored on field fluctuations as a result of scattering time delays. We then discuss the forces felt by the mirrors when they move within vacuum field fluctuations, and show that energy stored on vacuum fluctuations contributes to inertia in conformity with the law of inertia of energy. As a further consequence, inertial masses exhibit quantum fluctuations with characteristic spectra in vacuum. QUANTUM PHYSICS, ABSTRACT QUANT-PH/9506023 From: claudia@cromwell.physics.uiuc.edu (Claudia C Eberlein) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 11:13:57 -0500 Sonoluminescence as quantum vacuum radiation Author: Claudia Eberlein (Dept of Physics, UIUC, Urbana, IL) Sonoluminescence is explained in terms of quantum radiation by moving interfaces between media of different polarizability. It can be considered as a dynamic Casimir effect, in the sense that it is a consequence of the imbalance of the zero-point fluctuations of the electromagnetic field during the non-inertial motion of a boundary. The transition amplitude from the vacuum into a two-photon state is calculated in a Hamiltonian formalism and turns out to be governed by the transition matrix-element of the radiation pressure. Expressions for the spectral density and the total radiated energy are given. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9508086 From: eli@ecm.ub.es (Emili Elizalde) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:14:50 +0200 A precise definition of the Casimir energy, Authors: K. Kirsten , E. Elizalde The somehow arbitrary definition of the Casimir energy corresponding to a quantum system in a $d$-dimensional ultrastatic spacetime ---profusely used in the last years--- which has been critized sometimes for adopting without a sound argument the minimal subtraction scheme, is shown to be completely equivalent to the definition steming naturally from the concept of functional determinant through the zeta-function prescription. This is done by considering the theory at finite temperature and by defining then the Casimir energy as its energy in the limit $T\to 0$. The ambiguity in the coefficient $C_{d/2}$ is understood to be a result of the necessary renormalization of the free energy of the system. As an example, the Casimir energy corresponding to a general $(1+2)$-dimensional toroidal spacetime with flat spatial geometry, parametrized by the corresponding Teichm\"uller parameters, and its precise dependence on these parameters is obtained under the form of an analytic function. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ernest G. Cullwick. In his book "Electromagnetism and Relativity", published in 1957, was one of the first to provide an analysis of the probable coupling between EM and inertial fields. Cullwick realized that Maxwell's equations and most existing theories of electrodynamics assume that the mass of an electron is zero. At Maxwell's time this was a reasonable assumption. But it is well known today that electrons have mass, and therefore an inertial momemtum is always associated with an electric current. Cullwick suggested in his analysis that coupling terms between EM and inertia may be very small, but would likely appear sometime in the future as we go to higher current densities. And he was one of the first scientists to predict some of the odd effects which can now seen with superconductors. Cullwick was also one of the first to identify and attempt an analysis of the relativistic paradoxes and unusual effects which occur in a rotating EM field. His work still stands today as one of the only existing efforts to consider the problem of a rotating EM field. AUTHOR: Cullwick, E. G. (Ernest Geoffrey), 1903- TITLE: Electromagnetism and relativity : with particular reference to moving media and electromagnetic induction / by E. G. Cullwick. EDITION 2d ed. PUBL.: New York : J. Wiley, DATE: 1959 (2nd Edition) SUBJECT: Electromagnetic theory, Relativity (Physics) AUTHOR: Cullwick, E. G. (Ernest Geoffrey), 1903- TITLE: The fundamentals of electro-magnetism by E.G. Cullwick. EDITION 3rd ed. PUBL.: London, Cambridge U.P., DATE: 1966 (3rd Edition) SUBJECT: Electromagnetism AUTHOR: Cullwick, E. G. (Ernest Geoffrey), 1903- TITLE: The fundamentals of electro-magnetism; a restatement for engineering students and others of physical and theoretical principles in accordance with modern scientific thought, by E. Geoffrey Cullwick ... With an appendix and numerous examples on the recently adopted M.K.S. system of practical units ... PUBL.: New York, The Macmillan company; Cambridge, Eng., The University press, DATE: 1939 SUBJECT: Electromagnetism --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you work out the metric for EM waves circulating in a cavity you get some strange results. There is a preliminary discussion of this effect in the article by Houshang Ardavan, 'Gravitational Waves from Electromagnetic Waves' in the book "Classical General Relativity," edited by W.B. Bonner, I.N. Islam and M.A.H. MacCollum (Cambridge Univ. Press, 1984). It is something I have seen done. At the point in an annular cavity where the phase velocity goes from less than c to greater than c, a term shows up in the derived metric of the system that looks like a source term. On the other hand you have assumed that the metric is source free in the EM region of the cavity. So you get a solution which contradicts the hypothesis that went into building the solution. You get something which is possibly unphysical. Now Einstein's equation and the associated geometry is pretty tricky and it is easy to get unphysical solutions. The final arbitors of whether a solution is satisfactory or not is physical reasonability and self consistancy (these are almost the same thing). The cavity problem seems very physically reasonable initially, but ends with a self-consistancy problem which appears to be unphysical. Also, Cauchy's theorem does not apply to this case since it becomes a mixed type problem (elliptic and hyperbolic PDEs), so the Hawking singularity theorems don't a priori apply. It is something very interesting, but to publish it with out being scoffed at would take a lot of work and possibly inventing some new math. -- Jim McClune, University of Missouri ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >If an EM field is somehow rotated extremely fast, shouldn't all >matter be repelled from its center? -kgo. How fast do you want it rotated? It's fairly simple to construct a system to produce rotating EM waves at whatever rotational velocity you wish by feeding a pair of broadside dipole arrays with quatrature phased waves. It is quite simple to construct a system that would have a rotational velocity of C within the uniform field area. It might also be fairly easy to do this with a Hemholtz coil arangement as well, but the broadside array will be much easier to do at easily engineerable frequencies. Some really interesting paradoxes come about when the rotational frequency is high enough so that the rotational velocity exceeds C within the uniform field area of the arrays or within the hemholtz coils. -- Robert Shannon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Several key pharases keep popping up regarding rotating fields, powerful magnetic pulsed fields, and 90 degree cross-field phase shifts. For example, Preston Nicholes describes a device known as a Delta T antenna in the Montauk series of books. The Delta T antenna is described as a pyramidal structure, but lets just take two square loops, placed at 90 degrees to each other, and feed these two loops with an RF signal, also with a 90 degree phase shift, we will produce a rotating magnetic field within the loops (these loops share a common center point, and each loop is in a plane 90 degrees from the other) The speed of rotation of this magnetic field is a direct function of the frequancy of the applied RF signal. At the center of the antenna, the rotational velocity is zero, but as you move out from the center, and rotational velocity increases. At some distance from center would reach the speed of light, dependant of the frequancy used. One could imagine that the rotational velocity of this rotating magnetic field could reach the speed of light within the antenna structure itself if a way could be found to make the antenna much larger than a normaly resonant antenna would be for that same frequancy. At several hundred megahertz, a two meter per side square loop would have a rotational velocity well in excess of the speed of light within the antenna structure itself. What effect would there be at the boundry where the rotational velocity reached, and then exceeded the speed of light. How could the magnetic field even propogate to the center of the antenna structure if it would have to move faster than light to reach that space? If hemholtz coils were used instead of loops, the magnetic field strength would be uniform inside the structure, how could the field strenght be uniform if there is not sufficient time for the field to propogate through the space inside the structure itself? Could such an effect actually generate a wormhole like phenomena, at energy levels far below that of neutron stars and such? As the causal mechanism, the magnetic field, is in roation, would this describe a traversable worm hole as has been postulated in relationship to rotating black holes? -- Robert Shannon -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me clear this up a bit, the two coils are acting as antenne already, producing the rotating field by vector sumnation of the radiated quatrature phased EM waves. The loops would be operating as the driven elements of a cubical antenne, not as coils as such. If you prefer, substitute the two loop antenne with a pair of crossed dipoles at 90 degrees, this will also produce the rotating field, but the center will be occupied by the dipoles rather than be open as with loop antenne of by using sets of broadside arrays. Note that this is not the same as the rotational speed reaching c inside the "uniform field" area, as described earlier. It's simple a tool to understsand the generation of the rotating field and the relationship between applied frequency and the resultant roational speed. Rather than loop elements, in practice you might use a phased array of dipole elements that produces a constant phase plane wave, not unlike a pair of hemholtz coils produced a uniform field within the coil sets. Four of these "broadside arrays" would from the four sides of a cube, inside of which you could induce the fast rotating fields from the radiated EM waves. In all cases, the driven elements are lauching EM waves a c. Only the vector sum of the two (of four) quatrature fields is in rotation, which leads us back the the question of what happens as the rotational velocity of the sum of these EM fields reaches c within the field generator, and there is not sufficient time for the fields to propogate accross the Vr=c boundry? This is the point where two different physists have tried to lead me dowm the garden path of "red shifted magnetic fields". I'm not sure I'm ready to buy that concept just yet. -- Robert Shannon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm also saying that a pair of crossed coils will start behaving differently when the driving frequency is so high that the field lines near them try to exceed the speed of light. At low frequencies the coils create a rotating magnetic field. At high frequencies they send out radio waves having a rotating field vector (circularly polarized waves, in other words.) WITHIN the volume of the coils the fields still rotate, at least until the frequency is raised so high that the coils are many wavelengths across. At these frequencies the fields in the center of the crossed coils would be of complex shape, maybe some kind of contracting spiral. (Which is interesting, because at very high frequencies there would be a "hot spot" at the exact center of the crossed coils.) -- Robert Shannon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On similar topic: anyone ever heard of the "CFA antenna" flap in the UK? CFA is for "crossed-field antenna." There were a bunch of articles and letters to the editor in EWW, "Electronics and Wireless World," the British engineering mag. The CFA-believers though they had discovered a way to make 1-foot antennas which were efficient at 100-meter wavelengths. The key to the CFA was to create the e- and b-fields separately: feed both a coil-loop and a pair of capacitor-spheres with separate high-current and high-voltage signals respectively, orient them 90deg to produce a broadside wave, shift the phases with L/C networks to form the proper EM wave (90? zero? ), and then obtain a powerful EM emission from a tiny antenna. There was a great quantity of argument and name-calling over this, all done in slow-motion over many months of letters in the letters-to-the-editor column. Then it just died away. Either the pro-CFA side couldn't prove that it worked, or nobody believed the proof they did find. -- William Beaty -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And some comments about rotating EM fields by Dr Dennis Cravens in a report titled "Electric Propulsion Study", done for the Astronautics Laboratory at Edwards AFB. August 1990. Dennis Cravens was formerly with SAIC Corp, and is now working with CETI in development of cold fusion. Anyway, here's some things he says in the electric propulsion report about the "peculiarities" of a rotating magnet: ROTATION OF MAGNETS - There is a continuing debate in physics as to the reality of the magnetic field. The prime question is whether the axial magnetic field of a bar magnet rotates with the magnet or is stationary. The Faraday homopolar generator dates back to the 1830s. DePalma, Tewari, and others have attempted to utilize the Faraday generator to produce more power than needed to run it. Most objective reviews of the work have, however, failed to see such effects. It is doubtful that these claims will be independently validated and even more doubtful that they will lead directly to a propulsive system. However, the work on homopolar generators as high current devices is reasonable and may be useful for ground uses. The angular momentum complications seem to rule the system out for any practical space applications. SEARL EFFECT - The Searl Effect is a separate issue from homopolar generator above. Searl has claimed to produce disk levitation by rapidly rotating magnets. There have been claims of anti-gravity, high electric fields, perpetual motion, inertial loss, and gas ionization. All these claims come from Searl or those supportive of his work and no outside witnesses are available. Searl has not supplied any technical data or specifics of the operation in any easily referenced source. It is not recommended that his work be experimentally followed by the USAF. It is worth noting however, that a rotating magnet does have some definite theorectical peculiarities. Through the years there have been many interesting developments concerning the Faraday Homopolar generator. DePalma has claimed to get more energy out than is supplied to the the generator. None of the claims seem to withstand careful examination and no machine has ever been made self driving. The underlying reason that such claims continue to surface is that rotating magnetic fields are extremely difficult to handle within existing theories. This is because for a rotating frame there is a distance (removed from the axis) which is travelling at velocities greater than c. Although the distance is not withing any real physical object, it's existence within the mathematical development greatly complicates any calculations. DePalma B.E., "Electro-Mechanical Device for the Amplification of Electrical Power", The New Age Science Magazine, No 7, 1980 Tewari P., "Generation of Electrical Power from Absolute Vacuum by High Speed Rotation of Conducting Magnetic Cylinder", Tech. Rep. Dept. of Atomic Energy, Bombay India, 1985 Searl, J.R.R., British provisional patent specification #57578, 1970 --------------------------------------------------------------------- These articles are indicative of studies of EM waves and rotating bodies. It appears that when EM waves pass through rotating dielectrics some unusual effects are predicted. This may lead to some interesting future technology. -- Dr Dennis Cravens "Some Remarks on Scattering by a Rotating Dielectric Cylinder", D. Schreiber, Journal of EM Waves and Applications, Vol 2 No2 1988 "Rotating Bodies and Electrodynamics in a Rotating Reference Frame", I.B. Zeldovich and L.V. Rozhavskii, Radiofizka Vol 29 No 9, 1986 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The origin of the Montauk Project dates back to 1943 when radar invisibility was being researched aboard the USS Eldridge. As the Eldridge was stationed at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, the events concerning the ship have commonly been referred to as the "Philadelphia Experiment." The objective of this experiment was to make the ship undetectable to radar and while that was achieved, there was a totally unexpected and drastic side effect. The ship became invisible to the naked eye and was removed from time and space as we know it. It went into 10-dimensional hyper-space. For further info into this, read the book called "Hyperspace" by Dr. Michio Kaku. A movie called "The Philadelphia Experiment" was made, but delayed for two years as the Pentagon was able to halt its release. After the war, research continued under the tutelage of Dr. John Von Neumann who had directed the technical aspects of the Phily Experiment. A massive human factor study was also begun at Brookhaven National Labs on Long Island, New York -- known as the Phoenix Project. The Montauk Project culminated on August 12, 1983. A full blown time portal was fully functioning, but things were out of control and the project was crashed. An unauthorized video has been widely distributed regarding this story and several lectures has been given on the Montauk Project. One science reported for the New York times started the project but tacked off when he discovered to his own surprise that the Montauk Project was indeed real. Three books have been released by Preston Nichols, who was involved in the Project, and Peter Moon. They are 1) The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time - 1992 2) Montauk Revisited: Adventures in Synchronicity - 1994 3) Pyramids of Montauk Explorations in Consciousness-1995 This coming year, 1996, the next book will be out and the title will be "Montauk Reconciled" -- Richard Frager ------------------------------------------------------------------------ HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - PHENOMENOLOGY, ABSTRACT HEP-PH/9412234 From: Michael Martin Nieto 505-667-6127 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 09:52:27 -0700 THEORETICAL MOTIVATION FOR GRAVITATION EXPERIMENTS ON ULTRA-LOW ENERGY ANTIPROTONS AND ANTIHYDROGEN Authors: Michael Martin Nieto , T. Goldman , John D. Anderson , Eunice L. Lau, J. Perez-Mercader Comments: Written version of invited contribution to LEAP'94: Third Biennial Conference on Low-Energy Antiproton Physics. We know that the generally accepted theories of gravity and quantum mechanics are fundamentally incompatible. Thus, when we try to combine these theories, we must beware of physical pitfalls. Modern theories of quantum gravity are trying to overcome these problems. Any ideas must confront the present agreement with general relativity, but yet be free to wonder about not understood phenomena, such as the dark matter problem and the anomalous spacecraft data which we announce here. This all has led some ``intrepid" theorists to consider a new gravitational regime, that of antimatter. Even more ``daring" experimentalists are attempting, or considering attempting, the measurement of the gravitational force on antimatter, including low-energy antiprotons and, perhaps most enticing, antihydrogen. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - EXPERIMENT, ABSTRACT HEP-EX/9412018 From: PHILLIPS@hep.phy.duke.edu Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:03:31 -0500 (EST) A Technique for Directly Measuring the Gravitational Acceleration of Antihydrogen, By: Thomas J. Phillips, Duke University Durham Comments: Written version of invited contribution to LEAP'94: Third Biennial Conference on Low-Energy Antiproton Physics. The gravitational force on antimatter has never been directly measured. A method is suggested for measuring the acceleration of antimatter $(\overline g)$ by measuring the deflection of a beam of neutral antihydrogen atoms in the Earth's gravitational field. While a simple position measurement of the beam could be used, a more efficient measurement can be made using a transmission interferometer. A 1\% measurement of $\overline g$ should be possible from a beam of about 100,000 atoms, with the ultimate accuracy being determined largely by the number of antihydrogen atoms that can be produced. A method is suggested for producing an antihydrogen beam appropriate for this experiment. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - PHENOMENOLOGY, ABSTRACT HEP-PH/9509336 From: Michael Martin Nieto 505-667-6127 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 14:08:11 -0600 Antimatter Gravity and Antihydrogen Production Authors: Michael H. Holzscheiter , T. Goldman , Michael Martin Nieto Certain modern theories of gravity predict that antimatter will fall differently than matter in the Earth's gravitational field. However, no experimental tests of gravity on antimatter exist and all conclusions drawn from experiments on matter depend, at some level, on a specific model. We have proposed a direct measurement that would compare the gravitational acceleration of antiprotons to that of negatively charged hydrogen ions. Substantial progress towards the development of this experiment has been achieved. Based on our work a number of alternative proposals for measuring ``$g$" on both charged and neutral antimatter have been made. We summarize the present status of our experiment and also discuss the steps that would be necessary to produce antihydrogen in an environment suitable for gravity measurements. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Robert, I have one reference for you. The book is called "Suppressed Inventions and other Discoveries". It's an anthology edited by Jonathon Eisen. Authors include: Dr. Brian O'Leary, Christopher Bird, Jeanne Manning, Barry Lynes, and others. As well as Townsend Brown, the inventers/doctors (as well as inventions the book also covers various cancer treatments which have had research suppressed) who are discussed include Naessons, RifeHoxsey, Gerson, Tesla, Brown, Reich and others. The book covers free energy, various "unfree" though different motive technologies, cancer cures which have worked but not seen approval by the AMA, Roswell, the Mars face, and as a delight to conspiracy buffs, there are also chapters on how various Government bodies have suppressed these technologies, as well as how the AMA came to be all powerful in the field of suppressing alternate treatments. The book is published by: Auckland Institute of Technology Press Private Bag 92006 Auckland, New Zealand ISBN No. 0-9583334-7-5 ______________________________________________________________________ For further research, consult the following sources: Fer-de-Lance by T.E. Beardon Tesla Book Company P.O. Box 121873 Chula Vista, CA 91912 USA Leading Edge Research Group (Leading Edge Journal #77 12/94) P.O. Box 7530 Ste 58 Yelm, Washington 98597 USA Nexus Magazine P.O. Box 66 8400 AB Gorredijk The Netherlands Tel/Fax: 31-(0)5133-5567 _____________________________________________________________________ About electric dipole precession. The article "Electricity" in Britannica includes a resonance equation for dipole precession in dielectrics. It was identical in form to the one used in magnetic resonance, except for the obvious differences in units. Dielectric precession (resonance) frequencies were in the optical range. Brown didn't use resonance; but he did use a steady frequency. His frequency, too, would damp out if it were discontinued. Greater results than Brown's could probably be achieved with lasers. But I doubt you'll find a better description of dielectric dipole resonance. The Britannica article gives the mathematics. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One problem with the electrostatic dipole hypothesis is that once the magnetic effects of spin etc have been considered there is no evidence of such dipoles inside atomic nuclei and electrons. However if magnetic properties of nuclei and electrons can be represented in terms of electrostatic dipoles as recent experiments and theoretical discussion seem to indicate then this objection is avoided. The dipole can be produced by a negatively oriented particle orbiting a positive central particle so that the combination has a net positve charge (see Rev Sci Instr Mar 1985 and Geomagnetism: Gravity Measured by Magnetic Materials, ICP Press, Box 492 NY NY 10185 $25US 1994 by R Sansbury) An added benefit: the observed quadrapole in nuclei and electrons makes more sense in a physically real Taylor expansion by the inclusion of an observed dipole term as well; that is the dipole term is not observed because its effects are wrongly attributed to another cause, magnetism; thus magnetism is properly regarded as a derived apparently separate force like the Coriolis sideways force on bodies moved radially on a rotating platform. -- Ralph Sansbury --------------------------------------------------------------------- Paper: hep-th/9506049 From: HORIE@dipmza.physik.Uni-Mainz.DE Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 11:23:23 +0100 Title: New Insight into the Relation between Torsion and Electromagnetism Author: Kenichi Horie (Mainz Univ.) Report-no: MZ/TH 95-16 In several unified field theories the torsion trace is set equal to the electromagnetic potential. Using fibre bundle techniques we show that this is no leading principle but a formal consequence of another geometric relation between space-time and electromagentism. HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS - THEORY, ABSTRACT HEP-TH/9409018 From: HORIE@VIPMZw.physik.Uni-Mainz.DE Date: Sat, 03 Sep 1994 10:27:48 +0100 GEOMETRIC INTERPRETATION OF ELECTROMAGNETISM IN A GRAVITATIONAL THEORY WITH SPACE--TIME TORSION BY KENICHI HORIE, INSTITUT FUR PHYSIK, JOHANNES GUTENBERG--UNIVERSIT"AT MAINZ, D--55099 MAINZ, GERMANY, A complete geometric unification of gravity and electromagnetism is proposed by considering two aspects of torsion: its relation to spin established in Einstein--Cartan theory and the possible interpretation of the torsion trace as the electromagnetic potential. Starting with a Lagrangian built of Dirac spinors, orthonormal tetrads, and a complex rather than a real linear connection we define an extended spinor derivative by which we obtain not only a very natural unification, but can also fully clarify the nontrivial underlying fibre bundle structure. Thereby a new type of contact interaction between spinors emerges, which differs from the usual one in Einstein--Cartan theory. The splitting of the linear connection into a metric and an electromagnetic part together with a characteristic length scale in the theory strongly suggest that gravity and electromagnetism have the same geometrical origin. "Gauge Invariant Electromagnetic Coupling with Torsion Potential", Richard T. Hammond, General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol 23 No 11 1991 Electromagnetism is coupled to torsion in a gauge invariant manner by relaxing minimal coupling and introducting into the Lagrangian a term bilinear the electromagnetic field tensor and its torsion potential. The resulting coupling between electromagnetism and torsion is examined and a solution corresponding to traveling coupled waves is given. Since torsion is usually regarded as resuting from the spin of a body, this might establish a classical relationship between charge and spin. The results suggest that the effect should be looked for in high intensity electric fields of low frequency. "Detecting Torsion from Massive Electrodynamics", L.C. Garcia de Andrade, and M. Lopes, General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol 25 No 11 1993 A new method of detecting torsion in the case of massive electrodynamics is proposed. Several authors have proposed methods for the detection of torsion in theories of the Einstein-Cartan type, and also in theories where the torsion field propogates. These theories are based on the studies of Dirac test particles, which have spin like the electron, and the gyroscope-like precession of these atomic particles. The interaction energy between the torsion vector Q, and an electric dipole p, is given by (p dot Q). AUTHOR(s): de Andrade, L.C. Garcia TITLE(s): Electron gyroscopes to test torsion gravity? In: Il nuovo cimento delle societa italiana di fisic OCT 01 1994 v 109 n 10 Page: 1123 AUTHOR: De Sabbata, Venzo. TITLE: Spin and Torsion in Gravitation by Venzo de Sabbata, and C. Sivaram. PUBL.: Singapore ; River Edge, NJ : World Scientific, FORMAT: xii, 313 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. DATE: 1994 SUBJECTS: Torsion, Gravitation AUTHOR: De Sabbata, Venzo. TITLE: Introduction to Gravitation by Venzo de Sabbata and Maurizio Gasperini. PUBL.: Singapore ; Philadelphia : World Scientific, FORMAT: ix, 346 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. DATE: 1985 SUBJECTS: General relativity, Torsion, Gravitation AUTHOR: NATO Advanced Study Institute on Cosmology and Gravitation (1979: Bologna, Italy) TITLE: Cosmology and Gravitation: Spin, Torsion, Rotation, and Supergravity Edited by Peter G. Bergmann and Venzo De Sabbata. PUBL.: New York : Plenum Press : NATO Scientific Affairs Division, FORMAT: ix, 510 p. : ill. ; 26 cm. DATE: 1980 SERIES: NATO Advanced Study Institutes Series v 58 Series B Physics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFERENCE :International Conference on Magnetic and Electric Resonance and Relaxation (1962: Eindhoven) TITLE :Magnetic and electric resonance and relaxation; proceedings of the XIth Colloque Ampere, Eindhoven, July 2-7, 1962. PUBLISHED :Amsterdam, New York, North-Holland Pub. Co.; Interscience Publishers, 1963. DESC :xi,789p. illus.,diagrs.,tables. 24cm. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9403058 PHYS. REV. D50 (1994 3867) carroll@marie.mit.edu (Sean Carroll) Tue, 29 Mar 1994 19:57:32 -0500 CONSEQUENCES OF PROPAGATING TORSION IN CONNECTION-DYNAMIC THEORIES OF GRAVITY, BY SEAN M. CARROLL AND GEORGE B. FIELD, 16 PAGES PLUS ONE FIGURE (PLAIN TEX), MIT-CTP #2291. We discuss the possibility of constraining theories of gravity in which the connection is a fundamental variable by searching for observational consequences of the torsion degrees of freedom. In a wide class of models, the only modes of the torsion tensor which interact with matter are either a massive scalar or a massive spin-1 boson. Focusing on the scalar version, we study constraints on the two-dimensional parameter space characterizing the theory. For reasonable choices of these parameters the torsion decays quickly into matter fields, and no long-range fields are generated which could be discovered by ground-based or astrophysical experiments. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9304047 From: KUBYSHIN%EBUBECM1.BITNET@FRMOP11.CNUSC.FR Date: Sun, 02 May 93 12:55:30 BCN INVARIANT CONNECTIONS WITH TORSION ON GROUP MANIFOLDS AND THEIR APPLICATION IN KALUZA-KLEIN THEORIES, KUBYSHIN YU.A., MALYSHENKO V.O. AND MARIN RICOY D. Invariant connections with torsion on simple group manifolds S are studied and an explicit formula describing them is presented. This result is used for the dimensional reduction in a theory of multidimensional gravity with curvature squared terms on M^{4} times S. We calculate the potential of scalar fields, emerging from extra components of the metric and torsion, and analyze the role of the torsion for the stability of spontaneous compactification. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Inclusion of the Toroidal-Moment Contribution in the Probability of the Electric Dipole Transition", R.G. Nazmitidinov, Soviet Journal of Nuclear Physics, Sep 1 1990, Vol 53 No 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Electric Dipole Moment of the Electron", Bernreuther & Suzuki, Reviews of Modern Physics, April 1991 vol 63 no 2 -- An electron or any other elementary particle can possess an electric moment (EDM) only by virtue of an interaction that violates parity and time-reversal invariance. The question of whether an electron EDM exists is thus related directly to the unsolved problem of CP violation. According to the standard model, in which CP violation is accounted for in terms of the Kobayashi-Maskawa matrix, the electron EDM is predicted to be far too small to be observed experimentally. However, a number of alternative teoretical models of CP violation predict larger values of the electron EDM. These models are of special interest now, when experimental limits on the electron EDM are improving substantially. "The Electron Electric Dipole Moment for a CP-violating Neutral Higgs Sector", J.F. Gunion, Physics Letters: Part 8, Nov 8 1990 "New Experimental Limit on the Electron Electric Dipole Moment", Abdullah & Commins, Physical Review Letters, Nov 5 1990 "The Standard Model Prediction for the Electric Dipole Moment of the Electron", F. Hoogeveen, Nuclear Physics B, Sep 10 1990 "Electric Dipole Moment of the Electron and the Neutron", S.M Barr, Physical Review Letters, July 2 1990, Vol 65 No 1 "Effective Hamiltonian for the Electric Dipole Moment of the Neutron", Boyd, Gupta & Trivedi, Physics Letters: Part 8, May 24 1990 "A search for the Electric Dipole Moment of the Neutron", K.F. Smith, Physics Letters: Part 8, Jan 4 1990, Vol 234 No 1/2 "Interpretation of the Neutron Electric Dipole Moment: Possible Relationship to Epsilon", Booth, Briere & Sachs, Physical Review D Jan 1 1990, Vol 41 No 1 ____________________________________________________________________ But what is the thing in atomic nuclei that collectively produces the gravitational field of the Earth etc. and which causes individual nuclei to react in the prescribed manner? The hypothesis proposed is that atomic nuclei contain small electrostatic dipoles (10^-37C.-m.) with radial and longitudinal components transverse to the west to east spinning direction of the Earth etc. Such dipoles explain the nuclear magnetic moment and electrostatic quadrapole moment inferred from the hyperfine spectra emitted by some excited atoms and the deflection of molecules such as orthohydrogen in a magnetic field (but not parahydrogen because the magnetic moments are anti parallel in pairs and cancel) The Cavendish measurement of the horizontal gravitational force between two lead spheres instead of being attributed to the small masses of each can be attributed to the small horizontal component of the radial force, directed to the center of the Earth, due to the mass of the Earth on each of the small masses. That is gravity is not a property of mass per se but only of spinning mass. The atomic nuclei of all elements, except iron, cobalt, and nickel primarily, tend to line up in the direction of the surrounding atomic nuclei when the bulk object of which they are a part is moved but in the case of the magnetic elements the bulk material must also move to complete the required alignment, hence the north south and downward movement of a magnetized steel compass needle. Hence the Wilson-Blackett proportionality between the angular momentum of planets, stars etc and their magnetic moment where the constant of proportionality is the square root of the gravitational constant divided by the speed of light. For more information see Science News Aug 6 '94 p82. - Ralph Sansbury ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Antigravity in Jane's From: "Terry Colvin" "All those interested in advanced propulsion concepts should check out Jane's Defence Weekly, 10 June 1995. An article discusses anti-gravity schemes and shows drawings of sauceroid vehicles from British Aerospace among others. Area 51 is mentioned, as well as an unclassified paper done for the USAF by Science Applications International Corp. in 1990. The subject was [Electric Propulsion], a[n] euphemism for anti-gravity according to Jane's. Michael Flora" -------------------------------------------------------------------- It might interest antigravity researchers to know (for those not already aware) that Professor ER Laithwaite, a respected British electrical engineer, has been doing work on this very subject for decades, but when he tried to demonstrate the viability of his theories to his peers their closed minds closed ranks and ridiculed his efforts as fantasy. Laithwaite lost cred with the scientific community and had to rely just on one or two close associates in semi-secrecy. A recent (a year or two ago) series of TV programmes in Britain (on controversial scientific discoveries that have yet to accepted by the scientific establishment as worthy of further research and funding) ran an episode on Laithwaite. He claimed that gyroscopes could transfer mass. I know of one book he wrote: Transport Without Wheels published by Paul Elek in 1977 ISBN 0236400665 (info from an old note I made) though this is NOT specifically about his antigravity theories (I remember that it concentrated on propulsion via electrical rails) I would be most interested in learning about anything he (or anyone else) might have written specifically on his antigravity work. - George Szaszvari -- Here's something by Laithwaite: : "Propulsion by Gyro", Eric Laithwaite, Space, Sep 1989 Vol 5 No 5 In an attempt to reveal the strange, hidden properties of gyroscopes, Professor Eric Laithwaite explains the physics behind the idea that a propulsion system could be built using gyros. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR(s): Ljubicic, A. Zovko, N. TITLE(s): Lorentzian component of the fifth force. In: Fizika B. JAN 01 1992 v 1 n 1 Page: 1 AUTHOR(s): Bertotti, B. Sivaram, C. TITLE(s): Radiation of the <> field. In: Il Nuovo cimento della Societa italiana di fisic NOV 01 1991 v 106 n 11 Page: 1299 AUTHOR(s): Fujii, Y. TITLE(s): The Theoretical Background of the Fifth Force. In: International journal of modern physics. a, pa AUG 20 1991 v 6 n 20 Page: 3505 AUTHOR(s): Mannheim, Philip D. TITLE(s): General Relativity and Fifth Force Experiments. In: Astrophysics and space science. JUL 01 1991 v 181 n 1 Page: 55 AUTHOR(s): Cho, Y.M. Park, D.H. TITLE(s): Fifth Force from Kaluza-Klein Unification. In: General relativity and gravitation. JUL 01 1991 v 23 n 7 Page: 741 AUTHOR(s): Fujii, Y. TITLE(s): Locally varying particle masses due to a scalar fifth-force field. In: Physics letters: [Part B] FEB 14 1991 v 255 n 3 Page: 439 AUTHOR(s): Hagiwara, Yukio TITLE(s): No gravimetric evidence for the fifth force? Summary: TEXT IN JAPANESE In: Chigaku zasshi = 1991 v 100 n 3 Page: 429 AUTHOR(s): Cho, Y.M. Park, D.H. TITLE(s): Higher-dimensional unification and fifth force. In: Il nuovo cimento delle societa italiana di fisic AUG 01 1990 v 105 n 8/9 Page: 817 AUTHOR(s): Sardanashvily, G. TITLE(s): The Gauge Model of the Fifth Force (E,SUM). In: Acta physica Polonica, B. AUG 01 1990 v 21 n 8 Page: 583 AUTHOR(s): Schimdt, H.-J. TITLE(s): Fifth force, dark matter, and fourth-order gravity. In: Europhysics letters. AUG 01 1990 v 12 n 7 Page: 667 AUTHOR(s): de Sabbata, Venzo Sivaram, C. TITLE(s): Fifth Force as a Manifestation of Torsion. In: International journal of theoretical physics. JAN 01 1990 v 29 n 1 Page: 1 AUTHOR(s): Timoshenko, E.G. Sardanashvily, G.A. TITLE(s): Gauge model for the fifth force. In: Moscow university physics bulletin. 1990 v 45 n 4 Page: 73 AUTHOR(s): Hagiwara, Yukio TITLE(s): The fifth force-doubt about newton's gravitational law Summary: TEXT IN JAPANESE In: Chigaku zasshi = 1990 v 99 n 3 n 904 Page: 263 AUTHOR(s): Gasperini, M. TITLE(s): Phenomenological consequences of a direct fifth force coupling to photons. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. NOV 15 1989 v 40 n 10 Page: 3525 AUTHOR(s): Gasperini, M. TITLE(s): Fifth force and the gravi-magnetic hypothesis.. In: Physics letters: [part A] OCT 02 1989 v 140 n 6 Page: 271 AUTHOR(s): Fayet, P. TITLE(s): The fifth force charge as a linear combination of baryonic, leptonic (or B-L) and electric charges. In: Physics letters: [Part B] AUG 17 1989 v 227 n 1 Page: 127 AUTHOR(s): Mufti, A. Kwong, N.H. Schaudt, K.J. TITLE(s): Search for the fifth force using Gauss's law. In: Physics letters: [part A] JUL 31 1989 v 139 n 3 / 4 Page: 115 AUTHOR(s): Bizzeti, P.G. TITLE(s): Search for a Composition-Dependent Fifth Force. Summary: A differential accelerometer consisting of a solid sphere floating freely inside a stratified saline solution has been used to search for a composition-dependent force, originated by a mountain relief. No evidence of such a force has been obtained. In: Physical review letters. JUN 19 1989 v 62 n 25 Page: 2901 AUTHOR(s): T.M. Aliev, Dobroliubov, M.I. Ignatiev, A. Yu. TITLE(s): Do Kaon decays constrain the fifth force? In: Physics letters: [Part B] APR 20 1989 v 221 n 1 Page: 77 AUTHOR(s): Riveros, C. Logiudice, E. A. Vucetich, H. TITLE(s): On differential fifth force measurements. In: Physics letters: [part A] APR 17 1989 v 136 n 7/8 Page: 343 AUTHOR(s): Kuroda, K. Mio, N. TITLE(s): A Free Fall Interferometer to Search for a Possible Fifth Force. In: IEEE transactions on instrumentation and measure APR 01 1989 v 38 n 2 Page: 189 AUTHOR(s): Faller, J. E. Fischbach, E. Fujii, Y. TITLE(s): Precision Experiments to Search for the Fifth Force. In: IEEE transactions on instrumentation and measure APR 01 1989 v 38 n 2 Page: 180 AUTHOR(s): Stubbs, C. W. Adelberger, E. G. Heckel, B. R. TITLE(s): Gravitation and Astrophysics: Limits on composition-dependent interactions using a laboratory source: Is there a "fifth force" coupled to isospin? In: Physical review letters. FEB 06 1989 v 62 n 6 Page: 609 TITLE(s): Alternate source of fifth force challenged. In: Science news. OCT 01 1988 v 134 n 14 Page: 214 TITLE(s): The stimulation of the fifth force. In: Nature. SEP 29 1988 v 335 n 6189 Page: 393 -------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the first "scientific" DOGMAS fed to new physics students is the doctrine about "projectile motion". Students are given several formulas or equations from which they can precisely calculate how high and far a projectile will travel given its initial speed and angle from the ground. But the results are NOT so absolute as students are led to believe, even if they take into account air resistance and Coriolis effects. Recent experiments have shown that if the projectile is SPINNING at HIGH SPEED, (at least 27,000 RPM), [axis of spin coinciding with line of projection], the projectile will travel HIGHER and FARTHER than predicted by Newtonian mechanics! Similarly, experiments with falling gyroscopes have shown that a gyroscope whose enclosed rotor is spinning at high speed (about 27,000 RPM) falls AT A DIFFERENT RATE than when the same gyroscope falls with rotor NOT spinning. The AMOUNT of DEVIATION might depend on the MATERIAL COMPOSITION of the projectile or rotor, as suggested in the text of U.S. Patent #3,626,605, "Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field", by Henry W. Wallace, Dec. 14, 1971. These DEVIATIONS are EASILY REPRODUCABLE, and effectively DIS-PROVE the OVER-HYPED "General Theory of Relativity" which states that gravity results from a "warping or distorion of space" caused by the MERE PRESENCE of mass. - Robert McElwaine -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The late Henry W Wallace died april 1994. Fellow researchers at GE were not "happy" with his research regarding gravitational fields. An interesting article was written in The New Scientist circa 1980 about Wallace's work. -- Ron Kita ----------------------------------------------------------------- Henry Wallace was an engineer at General Electric about 25 years ago, and developed some incredible inventions relating to the underlying physics of the gravitational field. Few people have heard of him or his work. US Patent #3626605 -- "Method and Apparauts for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field" Awarded to Henry Wm Wallace of Ardmore PA Dec 14, 1971 US Patent #3626606 -- "Method and Apparatus for Generating a Dynamic Force Field" Awarded to Henry Wm Wallace of Ardmore PA Dec 14, 1971 Wallace discovered that a force field, similar or related to the gravitational field, results from the interaction of relatively moving masses. He built machines which demonstrated that this field could be generated by spinning masses of elemental material having an odd number of nucleotides -- i.e. a nucleus having a multiple half-integral value of h-bar, the quantum of angular momentum. Wallace used bismuth or copper material for his rotating bodies and "kinnemassic" field concentrators. Aside from the immense benefits to humanity which could result from a better understanding of the physical nature of gravity, and other fundamental forces, Wallace's inventions could have enormous practical value in countering gravity or converting gravitational force fields into energy for doing useful work. So, why has no one heard of him? One might think that the discoverer of important knowledge such as this would be heralded as a great scientist and nominated for dynamite prizes. Could it be that his invention does not work? Anyone can get the patents. Study them -- Wallace -- General Electric -- detailed descriptions of operations -- measurements of effects -- drawings and models -- it is authentic. If you're handy you can even build it yourself. It does work. So what is going on? One explanation I've heard is that Wallace ran up against the politics of science, as dictated in the late 1960's by the power-block at Princeton, who were primarily interested in promoting the ideas of their main man, Einstein, and the gravitation-is-geometry paradigm. Maybe there is some truth to this story. Nowadays, there seems to be a piss-pot full of theoretical physicists working on abstract geometrical theories and other absurdly difficult mental masturbations, while no one seems to have made any effort to provide a theoretical explanation of the physics of a nuts-and-bolts invention which could have enormous practical value. Maybe we can blame it on the Princeton folks, but I'm more inclined to believe that our defense industry black project community has confiscated and suppressed knowledge of Wallace's discoveries. All done of course under the most honorable and sacred banner of national security. Well, it's been 25 years. We ought to be real secure by now. Isn't it way past time for some trickle down benefits to real people? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Magnetic resonance in its various forms, NMR, EPR, and EFR, are all applied to relatively small specimens and, with the exception of EFR, are rarely applied to magnetic materials. EFR means Electron Ferromagnetic Resonance, and the best intro to this subject is by Vonsovskii. Curiously, there is no published data on EFR for large ferromagnetic specimens. A literature search at a campus of the University of California revealed nothing. F. Herlach has said that there is an 'open' literature and a 'closed' literature concerning magnetic research. -- Larry Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A body which is spinning within a larger macroscopic body which is also spinning will tend to align the axis of its angular momentum with the angular momentum of the larger body. For example, a gyroscope located on the earth, unless it is in a frictionless gimbal, with always try to precess due to the rotation of the earth into alignment with the earth's polar axis, at which point it will no longer precess due to earth rotation. Another example, a cylinder of magnetic material spinning around its longitudinal axis will develop a magnetic field proportional to is angular velocity (Barnett Effect), because the angular momemtum of the electrons in the material will attempt to precess and come into alignment with the macroscopic axis of the spinning cylinder, which also brings into alignment the magnetic moment of the electrons, some of which have unpaired spins (ferromagnetic), resulting in generation of a macroscopic magnetic field. Similarly, it is know that a static magnetic field itself contains angular momentum -- and spinning the source of the static field, whether a magnet or DC current loop, will result in a corresponding increase or decrease in the field strength. Another example is the inventions of Henry Wallace. Wallace found that if you spin a material which has an odd number of nucleotides, i.e. having an "un-paired" value of angular momentum, resulting in a nucleus with a multiple integer of a one-half value of quantum momentum. The spin in the nucleus will begin to line up with the macroscopic spin axis, and will create an unusual force field related to gravity -- which he call a "kinemassic" field. Maybe I've missed it, but I've looked seriously, and there seems to be no information in undergraduate or graduate level physics reference books which mentions the relationship between macroscopic and microscopic angular momentum -- much less provides any analysis or explanation linking quantum angular momentum to macroscopic angular momentum. Why not? How does quantum angular momentum become organized from a microscopic to a macroscopic level? Has anyone ever published any work about this? I can't find any. ----- Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 From: James Youlton To: Robert Stirniman Re: Angular Momentum and the Barnett Effect On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Robert Stirniman wrote: > Maybe I've missed it, but I've looked seriously, and there seems > to be no information in undergraduate or graduate level physics > reference books which mentions the relationship between > macroscopic and microscopic angular momentum -- much less > provides any analysis or explanation linking quantum angular > momentum to macroscopic angular momentum. You're catching on. The subject of compound angular momentum, or internal and external angular momentum, or intrinsic and extrinsic angular momentum has been a repressed subject for about 2 and half decades. Add to that list, spherical pendulums, Coriolis effect, except as applied to balistics and meteorology as used by the US military, and Shafer's pendulum, that neat little device used as the artifical horizon of aircraft. > How does quantum angular momentum become organized from a > microscopic to a macroscopic level? Has anyone ever published > any work about this? I can't find any. There isn't any that I know of, though back in the late fifties, there was a fellow named Edward Condon at the University of Colorado who was fairly proficient on the subject. So much so that he wrote the rotational dynamics section, called noninertial dynamics at the time, of the reference "The Handbook of Physics" which he also co-edited (Chapter 5). I don't recall offhand who the publisher was (Harcourt/Brace?), though it was endorsed by the American Institute of Physics. Later, when Mr Condon was the head of the USAF project 'Blue Book', he labored to supress his own work when the directive was handed down from the Navy's Turtle Island project. -- James Youlton --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Condon directed a government UFO project, but was never the head of Blue Book. That position was held, for most or perhaps all of Blue Book's life, by an Air Force Officer Named Edward Ruppelt. Blue Book was shut down in 1969, shortly after the report of the project Condon directed, "Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects". That report, incidentally, is remarkably difficult to obtain. The closest library to Maryland that has a copy is at U of Conn. The only government source is National Technical Information Service (NTIS), and it costs $200 in hardcopy. Talk about suppressed research ... -- Jim Giglio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AUTHOR: Cousins, Frank W. 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In: Zeitschrift fur angewandte Mathematik und Mechan 1990 v 70 n 11 Page 489 AUTHOR(s): Hayasaka, Hideo Takeulchi, Sakae TITLE: Gravitation and Astrophysics. Summary: Anomalous weight reduction on a gyroscope's right rotations around the vertical axis on the Earth. In: Physical review letters. DEC 18 1989 v 63 n 25 Page 2701 AUTHOR(s): Laithwaite, Eric TITLE: Propulsion by Gyro. Summary: In an attempt to reveal the strange, hidden properties of gyroscopes, Professor Eric Laithwaite explains the physics behind the idea that a propulsion system could be built using gyros. In: Space. SEP 01 1989 v 5 n 5 Page 36 AUTHOR(s): Vitale, S. Bonaldi, M. Falferi, P. TITLE: Magnetization by rotation and gyromagnetic gyroscopes. Summary: We discuss how the general phenomenon of magnetization by rotation may be used probe the angular velocity of the laboratory with respect to a local frame of inertia. We show that gyroscope with no moving parts based on this pheno- In: Physical review B: Condensed matter. JUN 01 1989 v 39 n 16 p B Page 11993 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE: Anti Gravity Electronics. Summary: Reinterpretation of Newton's Third Law of Motion suggests that it depends upon and electronic action. Electronic interaction therefore explains the paradoxical anti-gravity properties of the force processed gyroscope. In: Electronics & Wireless World. JAN 01, 1989 v 95 n 1635 Page 29 AUTHOR(s): Sachs, Mendel TITLE: The Precessional Frequency of a Gyroscope in the Quaternionic Formulation of General Relativity. In: Foundations of physics. JAN 01 1989 v 19 n 1 Page 105 AUTHOR(s): Medvedev, A.V. TITLE: Motion of a rapidly run-up gyroscope acted upon by a constant moment in a resistive medium. In: Mechanics of solids. 1989 v 24 n 2 Page 21 AUTHOR(s): Starzhinskii, V.M. TITLE: An exceptional case of motion of the Kovalevskaia gyroscope. In: PMM, Journal of applied mathematics and mechanic 1983 v 47 n 1 Page 134 AUTHOR: Gray, Andrew, 1847-1925. TITLE: A treatise on gyrostatics and rotational motion; theory and applications. PUBL.: New York, Dover Publications FORMAT: 530 p. illus. 22 cm. DATE: 1959 QA861:P4 Perry, John SPINNING TOPS AND GYROSCOPIC MOTION. By John Perry. Dover, 1957. 102 pages --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Articles and Books by Kip Thorne: AUTHOR: Misner, Charles W. TITLE: Gravitation (by) Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne (and) John Archibald Wheeler. PUBL.: San Francisco, W. H. Freeman FORMAT: xxvi, 1279 p. illus. 26 cm. 1973 SUBJECT: Astrophysics, General relativity, Gravitation GENERAL RELATIVITY & QUANTUM COSMOLOGY, ABSTRACT GR-QC/9308009 THE QUANTUM PROPAGATOR FOR A NONRELATIVISTIC PARTICLE IN THE VICINITY OF A TIME MACHINE DALIA S. GOLDWIRTH, MALCOLM J. PERRY, TSVI PIRAN AND KIP S.THORNE. We study the propagator of a non-relativistic, non-interacting particle in any non-relativistic ``time-machine'' spacetime of the type shown in Fig. 1: an external, flat spacetime in which two spatial regions, V- at time t- and V+ at time t+, are connected by two temporal wormholes, one leading from the past side of V- to t the future side of V+ and the other from the past side of V+ to the future side of V-. We express the propagator explicitly in terms of those for ordinary, flat spacetime and for the two wormholes; and from that expression we show that the propagator satisfies completeness and unitarity in the initial and final ``chronal regions'' (regions without closed timelike curves) and its propagation from the initial region to the final region is unitary. However, within the time machine it satisfies neither completeness nor unitarity. We also give an alternative proof of initial-region-to-final-region unitarity based on a conserved current and Gauss's theorem. This proof can be carried over without change to most any non-relativistic time-machine spacetime; it is the non-relativistic version of a theorem by Friedman, Papastamatiou and Simon, which says that for a free scalar field, quantum mechanical unitarity follows from the fact that the classical evolution preserves the Klein-Gordon inner product. AUTHOR(s): Thorne, Kip S. TITLE(s): Gravitational-wave bursts with memory: The Christodoulou effect. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. JAN 15 1992 v 45 n 2 Page 520 AUTHOR(s): Apostolatos, Theocharis A. Thorne, Kip S. TITLE(s): Rotation halts cylindrical, relativistic gravitational collapse. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. SEP 15 1992 v 46 n 6 Page 2435 AUTHOR(s): Echeverria, Fernando Klinkhammer, Gunnar Thorne, Kip S. TITLE(s): Billiard balls in wormhole spacetmes with closed timelike curves: Classical theory. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. AUG 15 1991 v 44 n 4 Page 1077 AUTHOR(s): Eich, Chris Zimmermann, Mark E. Thorne, Kip S. TITLE(s): Giant and supergiant stars with degenerate neutron cores. In: The astrophysical journal. NOV 01 1989 v 346 n 1 p 1 Page 277 AUTHOR(s): Frolov, Valery P. Thorne, Kip S. TITLE(s): Renormalized stress-energy tensor near the horizon of a slowly evolving, rotating black hole Summary: The renormalized expectation value of the stress-energy tensor ren of a quantum field in an arbitrary quantum state near the future horizon of a rotating (Kerr) black hole is derived in two very different ways: One derivation (restricted for simplicity to a massless scalar field) makes use of traditional techniques of quantum field theory in curved spacetime, augmented by a variant of the "ETA formalism " for handling superradiant modes. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. APR 15 1989 v 39 n 8 Page 2125 AUTHOR(s): Kim, Sung-Won Thorne, Kip S. TITLE(s): Do vacuum fluctuations prevent the creation of closed timelike curves? In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. JUN 15 1991 v 43 n 12 Page 3929 AUTHOR: Thorne, Kip S. TITLE: Black holes and time warps : Einstein's outrageous legacy / Kip S. Thorne. PUBL.: New York : W.W. Norton, FORMAT: 619 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. 1994 SERIES: Commonwealth Fund Book Program (Series) SUBJECT: Relativity, Astrophysics, Physics--Philosophy, Black holes AUTHOR: Harrison, B. Kent. TITLE: Gravitation theory and gravitational collapse (by) B. Kent Harrison, Kip S. Thorne, Masami Wakano (and) John Archibald Wheeler. PUBL.: Chicago, University of Chicago Press FORMAT: xvii, 177 p. illus. 25 cm. 1965 SUBJECT: Astrophysics, Gravitation AUTHOR: Thorne, Kip S. TITLE: Gravitational radiation : a new window onto the universe / Kip S. Thorne, William R. Kenan, Jr. PUBL.: Cambridge, (Cambridgeshire) ; New York : Cambridge University Press, DATE: 1988 SUBJECT: Gravitational radiation AUTHOR: Braginskii, V. B. (Vladimir Borisovich TITLE: Quantum measurement / Vladimir B. Braginsky and Farid Ya. Khalili ; edited by Kip S. Thorne. PUBL.: Cambridge (England) ; New York, NY, USA : Cambridge University Press, SUBJECT: Quantum theory, Physical measurements AUTHOR: Braginskii, V. B. (Vladimir Borisovich) Sistemy s maloi dissipatsiei. English TITLE: Systems with small dissipation / V.B. Braginsky, V.P. Mitrofanov, V.I. Panov ; edited by Kip S. Thorne and Cynthia Eller ; translated by Erast Gliner. PUBL.: Chicago : University of Chicago Press, FORMAT: xii, 145 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. DATE: 1985 SUBJECT: Harmonic oscillators--Design and construction. Physical measurements NOTES: Translation of: Sistemy s maloi dissipatsiei. Includes index. Title: Black holes : the membrane paradigm / edited by Kip S. Thorne, Richard H. Price, Douglas A. Macdonald. Date/Source: New Haven : Yale University Press, 1986. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Articles and books by Robert L. Forward: AUTHOR(s): Cramer, John G. Forward, Robert L. Landis, Geoffrey A. Visser, M. Benford, G. TITLE: Natural wormholes as gravitational lenses. In: Physical Review-D: Particles, Fields, Gravitation Traversable wormholes, energy condition, time machines MAR 15 1995 v 51 n 6 Page 3117 AUTHOR(s): Forward, R.L. TITLE: Statite: A Spacecraft That Does Not Orbit. In: Journal of spacecraft and rockets. SEP 01 1991 v 28 n 5 Page 606 AUTHOR(s): Forward, Robert TITLE: Advanced Space Propulsion. In: The Journal of social, political, and economic s Wint 1990 v 15 n 4 Page 387 AUTHOR(s): Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Light-Levitated Geostationary Cylindrical Orbits: Correction and Expansion. In: The Journal of the astronautical sciences. JUL 01 1990 v 38 n 3 Page 335 AUTHOR(s): Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Advanced space propulsion. In: Aerospace america. JUL 01 1990 v 28 n 7 Page 60 AUTHOR(s): Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Grey Solar Sails. In: The Journal of the astronautical sciences. APR 01 1990 v 38 n 2 Page 161 AUTHOR(s): Forward, Robert TITLE: The power of negative matter: Does matter with a negative mass exist somewhere in the cosmos? If it does, it would make the perfect space-drive. In: New scientist. MAR 17 1990 v 125 n 1708 Page 54 AUTHOR(s): Forward, R.L. TITLE: Solar Photon Thruster. In: Journal of spacecraft and rockets. JUL 01 1990 v 27 n 4 Page 411 AUTHOR(s): Forward, R.L. TITLE: Negative matter Propulsion. In: Journal of propulsion and power. JAN 01 1990 v 6 n 1 Page 28 AUTHOR(s): Forward, R.L. TITLE: Space Warps: A Review of One Form of Propulsionless Transport. In: JBIS; Journal of the British Interplanetary Society NOV 01 1989 v 42 n 11 Page 533 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Negative Matter Propulsion In: July 1988 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference, Journal of Propulsion and Power Vol 6 no 1 pp 28-37 AUTHOR(S): Robert L. Forward and Joel Davis. TITLE: Mirror Matter: Pioneering Antimatter Physics Source: New York : Wiley, 1988. Series: Wiley science editions AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Spin Drive To The Stars In: ANALOG, Apr 1981, pp. 64-7O AUTHOR: Forward, R.L. TITLE: Far Out Physics In: Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact Vol 95, August 1975 pages 147-166 TITLE: Bibliography of interstellar travel and communication: April 1977 AUTHOR: Mallove, Eugene F. and Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Camelot 30K / 1993 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Dragon's egg ; Starquake / 1994 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: The flight of the dragonfly / 1985 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Indistinguishable from magic : speculations and visions of the future / 1995 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Marooned on Eden / 1993 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Martian rainbow / 1991 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Mirror matter : pioneering antimatter physics / 1988 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: A national space program for interstellar exploration. 1975 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Ocean under the ice / 1994 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Rescued from paradise / 1995 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Return to Rocheworld / 1993 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Rocheworld / 1990 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Starquake / 1986 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. TITLE: Timemaster / 1992 AUTHOR: Forward, Robert L. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Harold Aspden recently retired after serving many years as IBM's patent agent in Europe. He is the discoverer of the "Aspden Effect" or rotational inertia in spinning magnets (NEN, Jan. & Feb. 1995). His Ph.D. thesis involved demonstrations of anomalies in magnetic fields Books and articles by Harold Aspden: AUTHOR: Aspden, Harold. TITLE: Gravitation / by Harold Aspden. PUBL.: Southampton, Eng. : Sabberton Publications, FORMAT: 78 p. ; 22 cm. DATE: 1975 SUBJECT Gravitation ISBN: 0850560055. 0850560063 AUTHOR: Aspden, Harold. TITLE: Modern aether science. PUBL.: Southampton, Eng., Sabberton Publications FORMAT: 165 p. illus. 22 cm. DATE: 1972 SUBJECT Ether (Space) ISBN: 0850560039 0850560047 (pbk) AUTHOR: Aspden, Harold. TITLE: The need for a new theory of gravitation, by H. Aspden. PUBL.: Southampton (Hants.), Sabberton Publications, FORMAT: (1), 4 p. 22 cm. DATE: 1966 SERIES: His Aether science paper no. 1 SUBJECT: Gravitation Relativity (Physics) AUTHOR: Aspden, Harold. TITLE: Physics unified / by Harold Aspden. PUBL.: Southhampton : Sabberton Publications, FORMAT: xi, 206 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. DATE: 1980 SUBJECT Unified field theories ISBN: 0850560101 AUTHOR: Aspden, Harold. TITLE: Physics without Einstein. PUBL.: Southampton, Sabberton Publications, FORMAT: xiii, 224 p. illus. 23 cm. DATE: 1969 SUBJECT Physics ISBN: 850560012 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE(s): Anti Gravity Electronics. Summary: Reinterpretation of Newton's Third Law of Motion suggests that it depends upon and electronic action. Electronic interaction therefore explains the paradoxical anti- gravity properties of the force processed gyroscope. In: Electronics & wireless world. JAN 01 1989 v 95 n 1635 Page: 29 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE(s): Conservative hadron interactions exemplified by the creation of the kaon. In: Hadronic journal. MAY 01 1989 v 12 n 3 Page: 101 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE(s): The Harwen energy radiation generation. In: Speculations in science and technology. 1990 v 13 n 4 Page: 295 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE(s): Instantaneous electrodynamic potential with retarded energy transfer. In: Hadronic journal. NOV 01 1988 v 11 n 6 Page: 307 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE(s): Speculations in energy: editorial introduction. In: Speculations in science and technology. 1990 v 13 n 4 Page: 243 AUTHOR(s): Aspden, H. TITLE(s): The theory of the proton constants. In: Hadronic journal. JUL 01 1988 v 11 n 4 Page: 169 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Articles by Matt Visser (visser@kiwi.wustl.edu) http://www.physics.wustl.edu/~visser/homepage.html Charge nonconserving decays in ordinary matter. Physical Review D24 (1981) 2542--2544. Concerning the mass of the photon. Physics Letters B109 (1982) 373--374. Aspects of supersymmetry breaking. Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Report, LBL--18189, September 1984. [Ph.D. Thesis] The topological degree for supersymmetric chiral models. Physical Review D32 (1985) 510--512. Some generalizations of the O'Raifeartaigh model. Journal of Physics A18 (1985) L979--L982. An exotic class of Kaluza--Klein models. Physics Letters B158 (1985) 22--25. A supergravity model without elementary gauge singlets. Physics Letters B160 (1985) 77--80. Number of massless fermion families in superstring theory. With Itzhak Bars Physics Letters B163 (1985) 118--122. Tuning the cosmological constant in N=1 supergravity. Physics Letters B165 (1985) 289--291. Tree level mass spectra in the observable sector. Nuclear Physics B271 (1986) 53--60. Fermion families in superstring theory. With Itzhak Bars Proceedings of the Oregon meeting, 1985 Annual meeting of the Division of Particles and Fields of the American Physical Society, edited by: R. Hwa, (World Scientific, Singapore, 1986), pp. 829--834. Feeble intermediate range forces from higher dimensions. With Itzhak Bars Physical Review Letters 57 (1986) 25--28. Feeble forces and gravity. With Itzhak Bars General Relativity and Gravitation 19 (1987) 219--223. [This essay was awarded Second Prize in the 1986 Essay Competition sponsored by the Gravity Research Foundation.] Feeble forces. With Itzhak Bars in: Proceedings of the 23'rd International Conference in High Energy Physics, Berkeley, July 1986, edited by: S. C. Loken, (World Scientific, Singapore, 1987), volume 2, pp. 1032--1037. A guide to data in elementary particle physics. (as part of the Berkeley Particle Data Group collaboration) Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Report, LBL--90 (Revised), UC--34D, September 1986. Is the `missing mass' really missing? General Relativity and Gravitation 20 (1988) 77--81. [This essay was awarded an honorable mention in the 1987 Essay Competition sponsored by the Gravity Research Foundation.] Determinants of conformal wave operators in four dimensions. With Steve Blau and Andreas Wipf Physics Letters B209 (1988) 209--213. Zeta functions and the Casimir energy. With Steve Blau and Andreas Wipf) Nuclear Physics B310 (1988) 163--180. Determinants, Dirac operators, and one--loop physics. With Steve Blau and Andreas Wipf International Journal of Modern Physics A4 (1989) 1467--1484. A classical model for the electron. Physics Letters A139 (1989) 99--102. Traversable wormholes: Some simple examples. Physical Review D39 (1989) 3182--3184. Traversable wormholes from surgically modified Schwarzschild spacetimes. Nuclear Physics B328 (1989) 203--212. Wormholes, baby universes, and causality. Physical Review D41 (1990) 1116--1124. Quantum mechanical stabilization of Minkowski signature wormholes. Physics Letters B242 (1990) 24--28. [Based on a talk given at the `Wormshop', Fermilab, May 1989.] Quantum wormholes in Lorentzian signature. in: Proceedings of the Rice meeting, 1990 meeting of the Division of Particles and Fields of the American Physical Society, edited by: B. Bonner and H. Miettinen, (World Scientific, Singapore, 1990), volume 2, pp. 858--860. Canonically quantized gravity: Disentangling the supermomentum and superhamiltonian constraints. Physical Review D42 (1990) 1964--1972. Quantum wormholes. Physical Review D43 (1991) 402--409. Wheeler--DeWitt quantum gravity in (2+1) dimensions. in: Beyond the Standard Model II: Proceedings of the International Conference in High Energy Physics, Norman, Oklahoma, 1--3 November 1990, edited by: K. A. Milton, R. Kantowski, and M. A. Samuel, (World Scientific, Singapore, 1991), pp. 354--359. Wheeler wormholes and topology change: A minisuperspace analysis. Modern Physics Letters A6 (1991) 2663--2667. [Based on an essay that was awarded an honorable mention in the 1990 Essay Competition sponsored by the Gravity Research Foundation.] Analytic results for the effective action. With Steve Blau and Andreas Wipf International Journal of Modern Physics A6 (1991) 5409--5433. Dirty black holes: Thermodynamics and horizon structure. Physical Review D46 (1992) 2445--2451. >From wormhole to time machine: Remarks on Hawking's chronology protection conjecture. Physical Review D47 (1993) 554--565. van Vleck determinants: Geodesic focussing and defocussing in Lorentzian spacetimes. Physical Review D47 (1993) 2395--2402. Hawking radiation: A particle physics perspective. Modern Physics Letters A8 (1993) 1661--1670. Dirty black holes: Entropy versus area. Physical Review D48 (1993) 583--591. Dirty black holes: Entropy as a surface term. Physical Review D48 (1993) 5697--5705. Lateral wave contributions to the low--altitude radar propagation factor. With Gerald Gilbert and Eric Raiten Radio Science 29 (1994) 483--494. Hawking's chronology protection conjecture: Singularity structure of the quantum stress--energy tensor. Nuclear Physics B416 (1994) 895--906. van Vleck determinants: Traversable wormhole spacetimes. Physical Review D49 (1994) 3963--3980. Natural wormholes as gravitational lenses. With John Cramer, Robert Forward, Michael Morris, Gregory Benford, and Geoffrey Landis Physical Review D51 (1995) 3117--3120. Scale anomalies imply violation of the averaged null energy condition. Physics Letters B349 (1995) 443--447. Lorentzian Wormholes --- from Einstein to Hawking. Full length technical monograph. American Institute of Physics Press, July 1995. Acoustic propagation in fluids: An unexpected example of Lorentzian geometry. gr-qc/9311028; gr-qc@xxx.lanl.gov. Submitted for publication. Thin-shell wormholes: Linearization stability With Eric Poisson) gr-qc/9506083; gr-qc@xxx.lanl.gov Submitted for publication. New book by Matt Visser. Published 1995 "Lorentzian Wormholes---from Einstein to Hawking", by Matt Visser (Washington University in St. Louis). American Institute of Physics Press (Woodbury, New York). ISBN 1-56396-394-9 412 pages (including index and 38 figures); hardback; US$59.00 (US$47.20 for APS/AIP members). To order---Voice: 1-800-809-2247; FAX: 1-802-864-7626. Table of contents: Chapter 0 Preface vii Part i --- Background 1 Chapter 1 Introduction 3 Chapter 2 General relativity 9 Chapter 3 Quantum field theory 31 Chapter 4 Units and natural scales 39 Part ii -- History 43 Chapter 5 The Einstein--Rosen bridge 45 Chapter 6 Spacetime foam 53 Chapter 7 The Kerr wormhole 75 Chapter 8 The cosmological constant 81 Chapter 9 Wormhole taxonomy 89 Chapter 10 Interregnum 95 Part iii - Renaissance 97 Chapter 11 Traversable wormholes 99 Chapter 12 Energy conditions 115 Chapter 13 Engineering considerations 137 Chapter 14 Thin shells: Formalism 153 Chapter 15 Thin shells: Wormholes 165 Chapter 16 Topological censorship 195 Part iv -- Time Travel 201 Chapter 17 Chronology: Basic notions 203 Chapter 18 From wormhole to time machine 227 Chapter 19 Response to the paradoxes 249 Part v --- Quantum Effects 277 Chapter 20 Semiclassical quantum gravity 279 Chapter 21 van Vleck determinants: Formalism 295 Chapter 23 Singularity structure 333 Chapter 24 Minisuperspace wormholes 347 Part vi -- Reprise 367 Chapter 25 Where we stand 369 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Other articles about wormholes: AUTHOR(s): Kar, Sayan Sahdev, Deshdeep TITLE(s): Restricted class of traversable wormholes with traceless matter. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat AUG 15 1995 v 52 n 4 Page 2030 AUTHOR(s): Wang, Anzhong Letelier, Patricio S. TITLE(s): Dynamical Wormholes and energy Conditions. In: Progress of theoretical physics. JUL 01 1995 v 94 n 1 Page 137 AUTHOR(s): Clement, Gerard TITLE(s): Wormhole cosmic strings. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat JUN 15 1995 v 51 n 12 Page 6803 AUTHOR(s): Cramer, John G. Forward, Robert L. Landis, Geoffrey A. TITLE(s): Natural wormholes as gravitational lenses. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat MAR 15 1995 v 51 n 6 Page 3117 AUTHOR(s): Agnese, A.G. La Camera, M. TITLE(s): Wormholes in the Brans-Dicke theory of gravitation. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat FEB 15 1995 v 51 n 4 Page 2011 AUTHOR(s): Cadoni, Mariano Cavaglia, Marco TITLE(s): Cosmological and wormhole solutions in low-energy effective string theory. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat NOV 15 1994 v 50 n 10 Page 6435 AUTHOR(s): Cavaglia, Marco TITLE(s): Quantum electromagnetic wormholes and geometrical description of the electric charge. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat OCT 15 1994 v 50 n 8 Page 5087 AUTHOR(s): Singh, Harvendra TITLE(s): Magnetic wormholes and vertex operators. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat OCT 15 1994 v 50 n 8 Page 5033 AUTHOR(s): Li, Xin-zhou TITLE(s): Dimensionally continued wormhole solutions. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat SEP 15 1994 v 50 n 6 Page 3787 AUTHOR(s): Marugan, G.A. Mena TITLE(s): Bases of wormholes in quantum cosmology. In: Classical and quantum gravity. SEP 01 1994 v 11 n 9 Page: 2205 AUTHOR(s): Ridgway, S. Alexander TITLE(s): S1xS2 wormholes and topological charge. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat JUL 15 1994 v 50 n 2 Page 892 AUTHOR(s): Cavaglia, Marco de Alfaro, Vittorio de Felice, Fernando TITLE(s): Anisotropic wormhole: Tunneling in time and space. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat JUN 15 1994 v 49 n 12 Page 6493 AUTHOR(s): Cotsakis, Spiros Leach, Peter Flessas, George TITLE(s): Minimally coupled scalar field wormholes. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat JUN 15 1994 v 49 n 12 Page 6489 AUTHOR(s): Visser, Matt TITLE(s): van Vleck determinants: Traversable wormhole spacetimes. In: Physical review d: particles, fields, gravitat APR 15 1994 v 49 n 8 Page 3963 AUTHOR(s): Hochberg, David Kephart, Thomas W. TITLE(s): Can Semi-Classical Wormholes Solve the Cosmological Horizon Problem? In: General relativity and gravitation. FEB 01 1994 v 26 n 2 Page 219 AUTHOR(s): Kar, Sayan Sahdev, Deshdeep Bhawal, Biplab TITLE(s): Scalar waves in a wormhole geometry. In: Physical review d: particles and fields. JAN 15 1994 v 49 n 2 Page 853 AUTHOR(s): Khatsymovsky, V. TITLE(s): Can wormholes exist? In: Physics letters. [part b]. JAN 13 1994 v 320 n 3 / 4 Page 234 AUTHOR(s): Kim, S.W. Lee, H. Kim, S.K. TITLE(s): (2+1)-dimensional Schwarzschild-de Sitter wormhole. In: Physics letters: [part A] DEC 20 1993 v 183 n 5 / 6 Page 359 AUTHOR(s): Liu, Liao TITLE(s): Wormhole created from vacuum fluctuation. In: Physical review d: particles and fields. DEC 15 1993 v 48 n 12 Page R5463 AUTHOR(s): Gonzalez-Diaz, P.F. TITLE(s): The conjugate gauge wormhole vertex. In: Physics letters: [Part B] NOV 04 1993 v 317 n 1 / 2 Page 36 AUTHOR(s): You-gen, Shen TITLE(s): Quantum wormhole with conformal scalar field. In: Chinese astronomy and astrophysics. OCT 01 1993 v 17 n 4 Page 401 AUTHOR(s): Azreg-Ainou, Mustapha Clement, Gerard TITLE(s): Stability of the Kaluza-Klein Wormhole Soliton. In: General relativity and gravitation. SEP 01 1993 v 25 n 9 Page 881 AUTHOR(s): Roman, Thomas A. TITLE(s): Inflating Lorentizian wormholes. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. FEB 15 1993 v 47 n 4 Page 1370 AUTHOR(s): Coule, D.H. TITLE(s): Wormholes with arbitrary coupling epsilon. In: Classical and quantum gravity. NOV 01 1992 v 9 n 11 Page 2353 AUTHOR(s): Wang, Jin TITLE(s): Two Kaluza-Klein Wormhole Solutions. In: Astrophysics and space science. MAR 01 1992 v 189 n 1 Page 5 AUTHOR(s): Bellucci, S O'Reilly, D TITLE(s): Wormholes and charged particles. In: Nuclear physics. B. OCT 21 1991 v 364 n 2 Page 495 AUTHOR(s): Moffat, J.W. Svoboda, T. TITLE(s): Traversible wormholes and the negative-stress-energy problem in the non stymmetric gravitational theory. In: Physical review. D, Particles and fields. JUL 15 1991 v 44 n 2 Page 429 AUTHOR(s): de Sabbata, Venzo Sivaram, C. TITLE(s): Torsion, Wormholes, and the Problem of the Cosmological Constant. In: International journal of theoretical physics. 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From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:14:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA02073 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02052 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA09481; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:11:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:11:47 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.194 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: free design Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: Ray Berry Subject: Re: fnrg: free design To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) > > > I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design > information of a device I have recently designed and built. It is a micro- Sounds interesting, but mail to your address bounces (unknown site). Do you have an alternative sitename? -- Ray Berry kb7ht rjberry@eskimo.com Bellevue, WA /* inquire within */ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:14:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA02340 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02332 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA09587; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.195 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:34:26 -0600 I don't know if it has any relevance to this photo or not, but Tesla = often demonstrated the saftey of his coils by placing a chair in the = center of several coils and letting the arcs course over his body. He = had specially tuned the coils so that the curent alternated so quickly = that it could not enter his body. Brent Davidson Your original message is below: ---------- From: dennis lee [SMTP:atech@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 1996 11:50 PM To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Tesla Photo. Hi Robert; The photo i refered to shows the right side of Tesla seated reading = a=20 book. Tesla takes up the middle third of the photo. On the wall to the = left=20 side of Tesla, (back wall facing the camera, wall takes up 2/3 of photo) = are=20 concentric wires of a pancake type Tesla transformer. There is no = electrical=20 discharge apparent. Dennis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:15:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA02523 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02498 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA09653; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:14:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:14:48 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.196 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Hovertec? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: Hovertec? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:52:23 -0600 Anyone ever heard of a company called Hovertec? They were a small = company consisting of about 4 or 5 people that was run out of a back = yard laboratory in Miami, Florida. They appeared shortly after the = second Back to the future movie and advertised in the classified in = Popular Science. They originally had for sale "plans" for building a = hoverboard. I excitedly spent the $20 to get these socalled "plans" = which turned ouit to be nothing more than a summary of their research on = several types of electrical levitation along with some very vague = schematics and equations. About two years later, they started selling = actual Hoverboard "kits". Shortly thereafter, the disappeared. I have = been unable to find any of the people involved with hovertec or anyone = else that knows of them. Not to totally discount Hovertec, they did have one very interesting = concept. They had designed a system that modified the cyclotron concept = of ions rotating in a magnetic field to be used for magnetic levitation. = The device called a "hoverpod" consisted of an ion generator, magnetic = coil to cause the ions to rotate and form "ion shells" and a HV charged = plate to repell the "shells" away from the pod. They proposed using = induction to control all the rotational speed of all the ions in the = containment field. This idea does have a solid foundation and could be = made to work. If anyone want's more information, I can make their = original artical and drawings available. Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:17:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA02775 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02757 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA09723; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.197 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:25:16 +0800 Subject: (Fwd) Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:40:14 > Lets put more science into the so-called fringe. > > Opinions? THIS is the most intellegent proposal I have seen/heard of so far!!! I have been trying to locate a copy to the mag. Race Boat & Industry News for 1973. I saw an article on permanent magnet motors that a Proffessor had invented. He had a demonstration model that weighed 40lb mounted on a lazy susan/ turntable and was being powered by a hand held 8oz magnet. There aren't any copies of the mag in the archives anywhere that I can find and I've been looking for 15 years for that one. I thought that possibley the Adams machine was similar??? I personaly would like to have a database to be able to compare previous attempts with and be able to try something new or just bag that idea or concept and move on to something more promising. Maybe the 1931?? Tesla Box that ran the car for a week???? > > With the growing number of claimed over unity devices floating > about, one cannot help but be confused by the contrasting claims for > and against these devices. > > I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of > these devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each > device and it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running > list of claims for and against each device. > > Only with such a reference could newcommers to this field begin an > objective investigation of these devices and the claims made. Such > a list need not be limited to over unity devices, T.T. Browns work, > and others can also be included, such as alternitve health devices > and the like. > > Once compiled, and placed on a web site, such a collection of > objective data would be a significant start at introducing a bit of > coherence into this field, and foster a more professional and > objective environment for us all to persue our desires and dreams. > > With a master reference, researchers can make more informed choices > on which devices to persue, or know what objections will be raised > to modifications of existing devices claimed to be already debunked. > ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:26:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA04224 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA04200 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA10438; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:25:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:25:21 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.199 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? In-Reply-To: <199601050332.TAA20791@ix8.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Ed Cloud wrote: ... > I will openly admit (and risk severe flaming in doing so) that I know > little about electronics. I took several classes in electronics and > computers years ago but was a rather poor student despite my best > efforts. ... Have you checked out my http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/miscon/elect.html file? After figuring out electronics, I went back and tried to identify what made it hard for me to learn. The elect.html paper is a partial list. I was immensely disgusted to discover that errors, mistakes, and bad teaching in textbooks was the cause of most of my difficulty. Check out the paper, and see if you're disgusted too! ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:33:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA05266 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA05239; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA10846; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:31:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.200 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com cc: greg.birdsall@deepcove.com Subject: Re: fnrg: free design In-Reply-To: <9601050247.A9979wk@deepcove.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 5 Jan 1996 greg.birdsall@deepcove.com wrote: > > I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design > information of a device I have recently designed and built. It is a micro- > current stimulator ,similar in function to several units which are sold for > up to $700. Hi Greg. Want to place it on Weird Science, under NOT YOUR AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT subpage? ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 11:54:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA08176 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA08160 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA12526; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:52:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:52:50 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.201 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Richard Austin wrote: > > > > >I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these > >devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and > >it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for > >and against each device. > > I suggest the following: > > 1. Start with a list of devices. > > 2. Post this list and let people choose which device(s) to report on. We've made a small start at this already. See the Free Energy FAQ on the webpage for Freenrg-List. It's at http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 12:26:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA12116 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12087 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id PAA21563 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:25:19 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:28:21 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.203 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: fnrg: Free stimulator design Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >There are a few people interested in my cellular stimulator design. I will >send them the schematic and design information. By the way the unit is >powered by a 9 volt battery and does meet medical regulations although I >have no intention of marketing the device. >Bye for now. greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca Greg, I'd appreciate a copy of your stimulator design. Thanks in advance. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 12:26:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA12120 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12100 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id PAA21588 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:25:24 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:28:25 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.204 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: RE: FNRG: FREE DESIGN Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >This report is 18 pages and it's about to go out to my confidential >subscriber list....but if anyone on Bill's list wants an email copy contact >me at jfrancis@peg.apc.org Jim, Pleas send me a copy of you remote viewing report. BTW, what is the topic of you confidential subscriber list? I'm wondering if it is something that might be appropriate to my interests, that is if you are accepting additional subscribers. Thanks. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 12:26:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA12136 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA12131 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA15578; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:25:43 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.205 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Szekely (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Blaise Szekely To: William Beaty Subject: Re: Info re discussion group Hi, William. Thank you for your prompt reply. Once again, I am writing this on behalf of Etienne Szekely, who is eager to share his controvertial theories with anyone. Etienne hopes to have a link to the Internet in the near future, but for now he wishes to send you the following (which he hopes you could post on your news bulletin): A NEW "LIVING ATOM" THEORY I have written a paper (of about 100 pages) in which I outline an entirely new vision of atomic physics. Included in this text are several simple experiments and observations about common physical phenomena, to support the validity of my theories. Since my text includes a number of sketches and formulas and because I am presently unable to have easy access to electronic means of communication, I am prepared to send you by regular mail a copy of my paper. All I ask is that you get back to me with your reactions/comments after you have read my ideas. If interested, please send me your name and postal address to: bszekely@ciao.trail.bc.ca (e-mail) Cordially, Etienne Szekely Rossland, B.C. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 12:47:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA14953 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA14943 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA14835; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:47:13 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA15786; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:44:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:44:53 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.206 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Details? Cloudbusters? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How do cloudbusters work? What do they look like? I wonder what thoughts on the part of the inventor led to the expectation they would work. What do they do besides dissolve clouds? Do they make electricity? I would like to hear of experiments in psychotronics that could be done at home, so I could develop at least an intuitive knowledge of what psychotronics is. (I currently visualize psychotronic devices as functionally identical to "magic wands", but acknowledge ignorance on the subject.) BC/Impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 13:08:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA17777 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17760 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA15066; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:09:33 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA16340; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:07:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:07:14 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.207 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Simple Freenrg ideas Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How about using the whole earth as a solar cell: Fly a metallic balloon or kite high up into the atmosphere to collect charges brought by the solar wind and radiation, and friction between atmospheric layers, as well as collect wideband EM energy from 50Hz, 60Hz, the earth's magnetic field, and millions of artificial RF carriers, and if that's not enough, you'll get a bonus during thunderstorms! My favorite is one I thought of when I was a kid: Coat silicon photovoltaic cells with radium watch dial paint and seal them up in a lead box and you've got a battery that will last until the third coming. BC/Impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 13:10:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA18088 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA18074 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id NAA21179; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:10:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:10:21 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.208 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: New list Info/Rules Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just updated the INFO file for the list. See below ************************************************************************** WELCOME TO FREENRG-LIST ************************************************************************** Webpage & archive - - - - - - - http://www.eskimo.com/bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to - - - majordomo@eskimo.com Send messages to - - - - - - - - - - - - - - freenrg-list@eskimo.com List owner - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - bilb@eskimo.com Inspired by - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jerry Decker's Keelynet BBS, 214-324-3501 (TX, usa) Freenrg-list was created 8/95 for the discussion of experiments and devices which exhibit anomalous energy production (or consumption!), or which violate currently-accepted physics theory. This includes: - Overunity or 'free energy' devices - Electrogravity & inertia violation - Scalar Electromagnetism - Psi phenomena, Psychotronics, and paranormal - Relativity violation - and any similar topics which the regular users consider to be interesting (ask us!) Rules: 1. Ridicule, debunkery and believer/skeptic flamewars are banned. Let's just say that freenrg-list is a big nasty nest of "true believers" (having maybe a bit of rational skepticism,) and let the skeptics leave in disgust. The tone should be one of legitimate disagreements and respectful debate. 2. Heavy on experimentalism. Or theory-led experiments. Or theoretical implications of experiments. This is not a forum for all those controversial physics theories being ignored by mainstream science. Try NEOTECH for this. But if your theory leads directly to interesting, testable, real-world phenomena, then by all means discuss the experimental possibilites. If your experiments reveal anomalies not predicted by ANY theory, definitely jump right in and discuss your findings. Also it's very acceptable to publish theoretical work on a web page and announce its presence here. 3. Flamewars are banned. If you believe you've been insulted and wish to respond in kind, don't do it on freenrg-list. Use private email. Even better, ask the person if the insult was intentional, since the low- bandwidth of email frequently causes misunderstandings. 4. Small email files please. The limit is set to 40K right now, those exceeding the limit will be forwarded to Bill Beaty. Some members are on limited service, or have to pay for received email. Larger diagrams and graphics can be mailed to me directly and posted on the webpage for viewing. 5. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE: when you reply to a message DON'T include the ENTIRE message in your reply. Always edit it and delete as much as possible. The entire message should only be included if: (A) you are replying to a message that is several days old, or (B) you are doing a point-by-point reply to many parts of a message. Several users must pay by the kilobyte for receiving message traffic, and large amounts of redundant messages are expensive and of little use. So, when including a quoted message in your reply, ALWAYS DELETE SOMETHING. 6. "Junkmail" email advertizing will not be tolerated. While not illegal, widecasting of junk email ads to listserv sites is against the Unwritten Rules of the Internet. Anyone who spams freenrg-list with junkmail will be referred to the Internet Vigilante Justice team. ;) Occasional on-topic advertizing by regular freenrg-list users is acceptable. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 15:18:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA04508 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04494 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from t19.dialup.peg.apc.org (t19.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.147]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id KAA18378 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:18:02 +1000 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:18:02 +1000 Message-Id: <199601080018.KAA18378@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.209 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Simple Freenrg ideas Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Re: Remote Viewing report..... Sorry for delay in getting some of these reports out...I didn't realise there were so many on Bill's list who were interested. I'll have them caught up by tomorrow. In the meantime...I've got some new data on my web page. It's at - http://www.flinet.com/~dmw/alcgroup.html There's a psychokinetic product advertised on the page at US$195...if you want to buy one mentions "Bill's List" and you can have it for US$95. Guess that's the advantage of being on the world's best list..... Jim Francis Australian Lateral Mind Concepts From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 18:34:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA27994 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27982 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id VAA19783 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:33:48 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:36:51 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.210 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: fnrg: My apologies Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Sorry about submitting messages to the list that were intended for individuals. I wasn't watching what my mail manager was doing. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 18:36:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA28317 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28307 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham-slip1.netconnect.com.au (horsham-slip1.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.41]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03464 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:40:13 +1100 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:40:13 +1100 Message-Id: <199601080240.NAA03464@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.211 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: fnrg: More info required Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, A while ago someone posted an article about a young boy who allegedly invented some form of free energy generator which he used to propel a small motor boat. I believe he then planned to attempt to use this generator to power a car. If anyone has any information on this young inventor, or his invention, I would really appreciate it if you could e-mail it to me, or post it to the group. Thanks, Chris ccarter@netconnect.com.au From bszekely@ciao.trail.bc.ca Sun Jan 7 19:46:07 1996 Received: from ciao.trail.bc.ca (bszekely@ciao.trail.bc.ca [142.231.5.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA07157 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ciao.trail.bc.ca (8.7.3/CIAO-1.4) id TAA19450; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:47:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:47:09 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.212 From: Blaise Szekely Subject: Re: Info re discussion group To: William Beaty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Dear William: Thanks for posting Etienne's message. As I've told you, he is likely be getting a computer shortly, and he will then be able to explain his ideas on the internet. Blaise From <@deepcove.com:greg.birdsall> Sun Jan 7 19:52:44 1996 Received: from Kaos.deepcove.com (kaos.deepcove.com [206.12.208.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08323 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepcove.com by Kaos.deepcove.com; Sun, 7 Jan 96 19:50 PST Received: by deepcove.com id A7864wk Sun, 07 Jan 96 19:47:50 X-UIDL: 834952770.213 From: greg.birdsall@deepcove.com Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <9601071947.A7864wk@deepcove.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 96 19:47:50 Subject: RE: FNRG: FREE DESIGN To: bilb@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bill, Thanks for your offer to place the design on your page. I think its a great idea. I am not sure if the 89k gif format is appropriate and also I kind of whipped up the circuit description and construction details which needs a bit of work. Anyway I will send you what I have so far and will work at polishing up the details to make it more presentable. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks again for the offer and for your great work on the net with this mailing list and your pages. Bye for now, greg.birdsall@deepcove.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 21:47:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA22931 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com (ix9.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.9]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA22917 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA21892; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:45:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:45:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199601080545.VAA21892@ix9.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.214 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The proximity of Tesla relative to the secondary of the flat pancake coils on the back wall (hence the axis of the coils are concentric, parallel to the floor, and pointing pointing right to the camera) suggests that he purposely placed himself directly in the magnetic vortex of the coils. The wire at the center of the coil (the hot end of the secondary) disappears into a hole to the other side of the wall. One thus cannot see the secondary electrode if there is one. Also, this photo seems more like a quite time studying rather than a publicity shot (no sparks). You wrote: > >--- FORWARDED --- >From: Brent Davidson >To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" >Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:34:26 -0600 > > >I don't know if it has any relevance to this photo or not, but Tesla = >often demonstrated the saftey of his coils by placing a chair in the = >center of several coils and letting the arcs course over his body. He = >had specially tuned the coils so that the curent alternated so quickly = >that it could not enter his body. > >Brent Davidson > > > >Your original message is below: > >---------- >From: dennis lee [SMTP:atech@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Friday, January 05, 1996 11:50 PM >To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: fnrg: Tesla Photo. > >Hi Robert; > > The photo i refered to shows the right side of Tesla seated reading = >a=20 >book. Tesla takes up the middle third of the photo. On the wall to the = >left=20 >side of Tesla, (back wall facing the camera, wall takes up 2/3 of photo) = >are=20 >concentric wires of a pancake type Tesla transformer. There is no = >electrical=20 >discharge apparent. > >Dennis > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 7 23:26:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA04228 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA04210 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:25:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601080725.XAA04210@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 23:31:53 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.215 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: More info required Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > A while ago someone posted an article about a young boy who allegedly >invented some form of free energy generator which he used to propel a small >motor boat. That was the Hubbard generator, in case anyone has more info on it. The article should be in the December archives. Email billb@eskimo.com if you don't know where to find it, if you need it that is. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 02:08:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA03029 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip-1.slip.net (slip-1.slip.net [204.160.88.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03024 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from c13.slip.net (chi-pm4-13.freeppp.com [198.70.174.207]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA01139 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:01:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199601081001.CAA01139@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: tchand@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 05:02:39 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.216 From: tchand@slip.net (tchand) Subject: Re: fnrg: RE: FNRG: FREE DESIGN Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Re: Ultimate source of info on Remote Viewing. >I have just spent the weekend putting together all the material relating to >the astounding CIA release on Rving (Nov 29th) plus their follow-up denials >(right after Jimmy Carter's extroadinary confirmation of the project) I too would interested in your work on the material concerning the CIA release on Rving. Thank You, Tim Chandler M.S.Physics/B.S.Chemistry tchand@slip.net (703)450-2811 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 06:44:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA15723 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.64]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA15682 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa20451; 8 Jan 96 13:25 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa19179; 8 Jan 96 13:24 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:17:40 X-UIDL: 834952770.217 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1390@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 21 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Sunday 7, January 1996 you wrote : > > I don't know if it has any relevance to this photo or not, but Tesla = > often demonstrated the saftey of his coils by placing a chair in the = > center of several coils and letting the arcs course over his body. He = > had specially tuned the coils so that the curent alternated so quickly = > that it could not enter his body. What kind of frequency do you need for this to happen? > Brent Davidson -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 08:11:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA29129 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA29062; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for freenrg-list@eskimo.com id AA00060; Mon, 8 Jan 96 11:06:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:06:50 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.218 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D To: Gary Hawkins Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601080435.UAA13702@mail.eskimo.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > It simply ran on high voltage dc, and had no moving parts. > It put out enough wind to cause a force of the equivalent of > about one gram. Placing a feather or something under it, > the air movement was very obvious. > > Finally, someone commented! Thanks. :-) > > Gary You're more than welcome for commenting. I'm very interested in Ion generation. Infact, that's some of the research my company is doing right about now. I'm interested in anything available on ionic propulsion of any sort. Actually, we're looking for a collaborator for sevral projects involving Ion, Searle, Brown, and some other technology. If you've mailed those plans already, I'll let you know when I recive them Interested? Email Me. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > Hey, do you work for Horizon Technology? Is it your company? What does is specialize in? Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 15:32:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA18923 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.uis.edu (eagle.uis.edu [192.102.230.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA18867 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by eagle.uis.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA052683925; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:32:05 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.219 From: Jim Logue Message-Id: <199601082332.AA052683925@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: fnrg: Hubbard Coil Generator To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:32:05 -0800 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199601080725.XAA04210@mail.eskimo.com> from "Gary Hawkins" at Jan 7, 96 11:31:53 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > while ago someone posted an article about a young boy who allegedly invented some form of free energy generator which he used to propel a small motor boat. > I tend to want to confirm that the device you are discussing is called to Hubbard Coil Generator. Rex Research carries a paper on it about 35 pages long. No. H9-HUB. Rex Research, PO Box 19250, Jean NV, 89019. Also See Fate Mag July 1956 p.38 and the Alfred M. Hubbard patent 1,723,422 in the year 1924. Also the front page of Seattle "Post Intellignecer" Dec 19, 1919. Alfred Hubbard was only 19 years old when he powered a 18 foot boat around Portage Bay with a 35 HP electric motor hooked to his energy generator which was only 11 inches in diameter and 14 inches long. There were no batteries in the boat and the boat ran for hours beyond the life of batteries. I have never written them (Rex Research) and this address may not be current. Jim Logue > That was the Hubbard generator, in case anyone has more info on it. > > The article should be in the December archives. Email billb@eskimo.com > if you don't know where to find it, if you need it that is. > > Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 16:25:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA28717 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28639 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip118.vvm.com (slip118.vvm.com [204.71.94.28]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03097 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:56:20 -0600 Received: by slip118.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADDF6.AD2FE340@slip118.vvm.com>; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <01BADDF6.AD2FE340@slip118.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.220 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Tesla frequencies Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:25:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BADDF6.AD49D3E0" Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BADDF6.AD49D3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that the info about Tesla sitting between his coils is in the = book "Biuld your own Laser, Phaser, Ion Ray Gun an Other Working Space = Age Projects" published by TAB books (most of the info contained therein = is from Information Unlimited). It doesn't give any specific = frequencies, it just adds it as a side note and says not to try it = because a coil like the design shown might not operate above the minimum = required frequency. ---------- From: Alaric B. Williams[SMTP:freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 08, 1996 7:17 AM To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. 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The correct address is davidson@vvm.com not = falcon@vvm.com. That was a test I ran some time ago and appearently, = the system reverted back to it. Sorry if this has caused anyone = trouble. Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 18:33:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA08554 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA08515 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA14910; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:30:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:30:48 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, neotech@world.std.com X-UIDL: 834952770.222 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion Demo Meeting Near MIT Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: COLD FUSION AND NEW ENERGY SYMPOSIUM Saturday, 20 January 1996 8:00 AM to 5:30 PM Cambridge Marriott Hotel (a stop on the Harvard Square subway line) Cambridge, Mass (near MIT) Sponsored by Infinite Energy magazine. The meeting will feature speakers, video presentations, and discussions about the science, technology, and commercial developments in the rapidly growing cold fusion and new energy field. The meeting is open to the general public. A highlight will be a presentation of the latest research on the U.S. patented Patterson Power Cell, which has achieved record excess power production levels for a cold fusion process. A nominal registration fee of $15.00 will be charged (in advance or at the door). There is a limit of 200 on attendees, due to space considerations. Please RSVP your intention to attend. The Cambridge Marriott Hotel is near MIT at the Kendall Square "Red Line" MTA station (Boston subway), and just 15 minutes from Boston's Logan International Airport. For information or to attend, please contact Cold Fusion Technology, P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816. Phone 603-228-4516, FAX 603-224-5975, or by e-mail <76570.2270@compuserve.com>. [Taken from the January 1996, issue of New Energy News, Vol. 3, No. 8] [See lots of information about the Institute For New Energy at: www.padrak.com/ine/] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 18:43:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA10797 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10776 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p1.aa.net (s3c0p1.aa.net [204.157.220.133]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA21300 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:43:16 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601090243.SAA21300@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:43:01 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.223 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Where's the beef? Eat This Two Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A As per the below remarks by Austin, let me suggest the following implementing ideas: those who want to contribute to indexing the inventions could do so most expeditiously by doing the following: (a) if you are using Microsoft Word For Windows 6.0, download Microsoft Internet Assistant For Word from Microsoft (along with Win32 if you are using Windows 3.xx) (b) follow the instructions and soon you will be set up with the ability to do simple html documents. (c) generate your annotated lists as ascii text for email sending and then convert directly in html and send the file as an attachment out on Vortex or Free Energy. Please label the damn things as I can't read all of the email from these lists. Give the subject something like HTML BEEF PROJECT or HTML REF DOC or something similar. (d) anybody such as Logajan, Hawkins, Beatty, or myself with website can then post the docs for open use on WWW; we probably all will be precipatated into sharing the load somehow, or perhaps as in (g) below. (e) if you really can't easily solve the html problem in your circumstance, send the stuff, with copyright release and request for posting as an ascii file attachement to your email. Writing it in email is a bitch, at least for me, because the carriage return (line length) is seldom appropriate for an html page and it requires extra work to strip them out. (f) be watching for Netscape Professional Pro which is due for release at any moment. It will cost I hear about $150 but it will be worth it if you want to create html docs fast and on the fly. It will, I have been led to understand, allow you to use your Browser directly as a word processor and perform direct editing on www sited docs (if you have posting privileges). (g) I think, without talking to Hawkins, that Hawkins and myself will be willing to open up a www directory on the eskimo server for autonomous posting of plain text and www docs by Vortex and Free Energy list members, which would most ideally be done through Netscape Professional Pro. At 10:03 AM 1/6/96 -0600, you wrote: > >> >>I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these >>devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and >>it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for >>and against each device. > >I suggest the following: > >1. Start with a list of devices. > >2. Post this list and let people choose which device(s) to report on. > >3. Let one or more people collaborate on a word processor file with >diagrams to describe the device. > >4. Convert the word processor file to html by running it through an html >convertor. Yes, they do exist. > >5. Send the resulting html files along with gif graphics to bill and/or >other friendly folks for easy posting at a web site. Also include the >original word processor files for downloading as ftp. I suggest Word 5.x >for the word processor since most word processors can read or convert these >files. > >6. I also strongly suggest that a bibliography of best reading materials be >included with each file. We badly need bibliographies so that people can >read the best books and articles to get up to speed and not waste time on >reading the garbage. > >Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU > WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ >------------------------------------------------------- > Institute for Planetary Renewal > "Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design" > > Sing, Dance, Laugh, and Play... > Have You Had Your Quota Today? > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 18:44:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA10827 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10803 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p1.aa.net (s3c0p1.aa.net [204.157.220.133]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA21322 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:43:26 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601090243.SAA21322@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:43:11 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.224 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:46 PM 1/6/96, you wrote: >In your message dated Saturday 6, January 1996 you wrote : > >> I suggest the following: >> >> 1. Start with a list of devices. >> >> 2. Post this list and let people choose which device(s) to report on. >> >> 3. Let one or more people collaborate on a word processor file with >> diagrams to describe the device. > >That sounds a mighty good idea to me. The difficulty is in deciding what's a >good claim and what isn't :-) > obviously, only an experimentalist in the "stuff" can make the decision. one of the problems with the fringe stuff is there is never the proper information, terminology, and reference citations to make ad hoc editorial armchair selections which are rational, only that they don't conform to making a rational selection. Academics play that game to select out the fringe to avoid the unknowns. All we can do is compile up the total experience out there using these new cybernetic mirrors. Eventually, the composite experience will make the selection obvious, one way or tother. Even if the end result is that a particular "stuff" if just silly mind putty, still, you end up with marvelous chains of exploration which are priceless educationally. remember, all digital information is immortal, so all connections which are created becomes a part of the permanent endowment to the future of humanity. contribute away!!! ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 18:44:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA10847 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10836 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p1.aa.net (s3c0p1.aa.net [204.157.220.133]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA21341 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:43:35 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601090243.SAA21341@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:43:20 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.225 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Szekely (fwd) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A At 12:25 PM 1/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >--- FORWARDED --- >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) >From: Blaise Szekely >To: William Beaty >Subject: Re: Info re discussion group > >Hi, William. Thank you for your prompt reply. Once again, I am writing >this on behalf of Etienne Szekely, who is eager to share his >controvertial theories with anyone. Etienne hopes to have a link to the >Internet in the near future, but for now he wishes to send you the >following (which he hopes you could post on your news bulletin): > > A NEW "LIVING ATOM" THEORY > > > I have written a paper (of about 100 pages) in which I > outline an entirely new vision of atomic physics. > Included in this text are several simple experiments > and observations about common physical phenomena, to > support the validity of my theories. > Since my text includes a number of sketches and formulas > and because I am presently unable to have easy access to > electronic means of communication, I am prepared to send you > by regular mail a copy of my paper. All I ask is that you > get back to me with your reactions/comments after you have > read my ideas. > If interested, please send me your name and postal address > to: bszekely@ciao.trail.bc.ca (e-mail) > > Cordially, > > Etienne Szekely > Rossland, B.C. > > I will put the entire document up into html code (and gifs for diagrams)if it is well organized and coherent. In about two months I will be able to post at my website, or it can be done sooner if someone can donate www server hard-disk space for it. Since I am not a physicist I will not be evaluating the material from the point of view of acceptability to previous theory, only from the more general criteria of intelligibility and composition. Suggest you mail it on 3.5" diskette to me. My address can be accessed through http://www.aa.net/~mwm ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 19:10:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA15474 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.indirect.com (root@ns1.indirect.com [165.247.1.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15438; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.59 (s59.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.59]) by ns1.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA00649; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:08:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:08:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199601090308.UAA00649@ns1.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.226 From: Reed Huish Subject: fnrg: Announcement of New Free Energy Converter To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, neotech@world.std.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Four years ago I started an energy management company in the Phoenix area, which has grown at a rapid rate with several offices in the US and Canada. My purpose for starting this company was to develop the resources to finance, then eventually manufacture and market a proven free energy technology. In the course of my networking with several inventors in this field, I provided development funding to an inventor in return for the world-wide license to manufacture and market his technology. We have since independently verified a prototype producing approximately 1,000 watts of AC power at 300%+ over-unity. This technology is solid-state and extremely simple to manufacture. We anticipate manufacturing a 15 Kw home power system about the size of a microwave oven with an end-user cost of $4,000. As both an entrepreneur and an investor, it is my prediction that all other forms of new energy generation, including cold fusion, cavitation, electrostatic, and magnetic-rotating type generators will become obsolete as solid state receivers become dominant in the new energy age. They simply cannot meet the reliability and production cost of solid state ZPE receivers. I am convinced we have the leading solid state ZPE technology. In the new energy field, inasmuch as 1995 was the year for breakthroughs, then 1996 is the year for commercialization. We intend to be the leader of the new energy field. The challenge to the pioneers in this field will be to apply the best manufacturing and marketing programs to bring these products to the consumer around the world. In other words, the challenge no longer rests with the inventors, but with the entrepreneurs who have the vision to commercialize these products properly. We are prepared for the challenge and invite all competitors in this new field. We already have the beginnings of a dealer network in the US and Canada who will market our home generator. We expect to begin production of a home power generator in August of this year. I am making this “private” announcement for three reasons: 1. We in are looking for individuals to join our company with experience in engineering, manufacturing, and marketing. You should be able to relocate to Arizona. We are interested in learning about your background, experience, along with ideas of what you feel you could add to our organization. 2. Approximately half of the financing needed to scale-up our technology and begin production is in place. We are not interested in venture capital, but private investors. A complete business plan is available. Prototype demonstrations will be made to prospective investors and/or their technical associates after a letter-of-intent is signed. 3. Last, we intent to begin world-wide deployment of our product this year, so we are looking for groups of individuals or companies who can represent our technology, including the manufacture of our generators in their own country. A proven track record and adequate financial resources is necessary. Any individuals or groups interested in the above should contact me via private e-mail or fax as listed below. I would ask that this announcement not be re-posted. In due time, we will make the proper public announcements in late 1996 AFTER we have several hundred home generators installed. A British statesman once said, “The Kingdom of Heaven runs on righteousness, but the Kingdom of Earth runs on oil.” We intend to change all that. It is our objective to restore true freedom and environmental security to the individual as our goal is to convert one-half of old energy production methods to our technology within 10 years. Here’s to the beginning of the energy revolution... Reed Huish Fax: (602) 899-0875 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 20:11:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA26136 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26128 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from t58.dialup.peg.apc.org (t58.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.186]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id PAA13445 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:10:42 +1000 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:10:42 +1000 Message-Id: <199601090510.PAA13445@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.227 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: RE: FNRG: Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Re: REMOTE VIEWING 18 PAGE REPORT Sent all these in Binhex......some people can't decode them...can alss re-send in MIME if required Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 20:13:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA28730 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28697 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip118.vvm.com (slip118.vvm.com [204.71.94.28]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03101 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:56:35 -0600 Received: by slip118.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADDF6.B7241B00@slip118.vvm.com>; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:25:41 -0600 Message-ID: <01BADDF6.B7241B00@slip118.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.228 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: My apologies also Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:25:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just discovered that my e-mail address in my file headers has somehow = been changed. The correct address is davidson@vvm.com not = falcon@vvm.com. That was a test I ran some time ago and appearently, = the system reverted back to it. Sorry if this has caused anyone = trouble. Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 20:15:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA03594 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03581 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:48:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601090048.QAA03581@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Mon, 8 Jan 96 19:48 EST X-Sender: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 19:58:57 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.229 From: Matt Mahoney Subject: fnrg: SEG (Searl Effect Generator) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know any more information about the Searl Effect Generator ? There is information about it on http://www.servtech.com/public/jasontee but I was wondering if anyone has more information on how it works. Thank you. -Matt ------------------------------------------ E-Mail: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Address: Matt Mahoney 58 Hollow Rock Trail Rochester, NY 14612-2223 ------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 20:31:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA28717 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28639 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip118.vvm.com (slip118.vvm.com [204.71.94.28]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03097 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:56:20 -0600 Received: by slip118.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADDF6.AD2FE340@slip118.vvm.com>; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <01BADDF6.AD2FE340@slip118.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.230 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Tesla frequencies Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:25:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BADDF6.AD49D3E0" Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BADDF6.AD49D3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that the info about Tesla sitting between his coils is in the = book "Biuld your own Laser, Phaser, Ion Ray Gun an Other Working Space = Age Projects" published by TAB books (most of the info contained therein = is from Information Unlimited). It doesn't give any specific = frequencies, it just adds it as a side note and says not to try it = because a coil like the design shown might not operate above the minimum = required frequency. ---------- From: Alaric B. Williams[SMTP:freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 08, 1996 7:17 AM To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Tesla Photo. 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Could you resend? Thanks. Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 8 22:09:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA15954 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA15926 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:08:59 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.232 From: MGEINC@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA23524 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:07:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: <960109010739_110707335@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: free design Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-01-05 05:54:04 EST, you write: >I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design >information of a device I have recently designed and built. It is a micro- >current stimulator ,similar in function to several units which are sold for >up to $700. Basically it outputs a complex square wave which can be used >for cellular healing, tissue regeneration, pain control, acupuncture therapy, >etc. I am making this available to demonstrate the principles and assume no >responsibility for what you do with the information. I have found the device >very beneficial and would like to make the technology available to everyone. >If you want the schematic I will e mail it to you as a scanned 80k gif file >or as the original schematic in the Tango format. >Search Lycos, electromedicine for lots of info on these devices. >Send requests to greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca > Please email me the GIF. Thank you very much. (maybe you could place it on Bill Beaty's Web page also?) Mike Hughes mgeinc@aol.com From mwm@aa.net Mon Jan 8 22:29:39 1996 Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA18661 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p6.aa.net (s3c0p6.aa.net [204.157.220.138]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00583 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:27:51 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601090627.WAA00583@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 10:28:54 +0800 To: William Beaty X-UIDL: 834952770.233 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: BEEF space on eskimo Status: RO X-Status: At 09:22 PM 1/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: > >> (g) I think, without talking to Hawkins, that Hawkins and myself will be >> willing to open up a www directory on the eskimo server for autonomous >> posting of plain text and www docs by Vortex and Free Energy list members, >> which would most ideally be done through Netscape Professional Pro. > >I'm already paying for bilb@eskimo.com with 20megs archive space for just >such things. But I don't think the WWW server lets people write to >directories inside eskimo. However, I have an FTP directory, and html >runs just fine from it. If we have the traditional INCOMING directory, >all that needs be done is index page maintainance, and not even that if >the filenames are fairly descriptive > thanks Bill, yes then let's do it in your ftp I do think that it is going to require some explanatory indexing and cross linking. Automatic things only go so far...how do we set some kind of editorial protocol as I am willing to do some volunteer stuff but I sure in the hell don't wnat to duplicate precious work time. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From mwm@aa.net Mon Jan 8 22:31:59 1996 Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA18948 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p6.aa.net (s3c0p6.aa.net [204.157.220.138]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00690 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:30:12 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601090630.WAA00690@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 10:31:15 +0800 To: William Beaty X-UIDL: 834952770.234 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Szekely (fwd) Status: RO X-Status: At 09:38 PM 1/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: >> >> I will put the entire document up into html code (and gifs for diagrams)if >> it is well organized and coherent. > >Mike: note that the original poster is not on freenrg-list, so you'll >have to cc him if you havent already. > thanks, my my how dumb of me. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 01:27:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA08491 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA08483 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:27:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601090927.BAA08483@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 01:34:27 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.235 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Anti-Gravity R&D Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >If you've mailed those plans already, I'll let you know when I recive them Sorry, I do have a terrible memory, but can you send to me a copy of where I promised to send plans? Thanks. >Hey, do you work for Horizon Technology? Is it your company? What does is >specialize in? Yes, yes, and it is intended to become useful to people for hearing about promising new ideas that have a real likelihood of becoming reality and yet, are farout enough to be underdogs, developed mostly independently. Also, I hope it becomes a liason between investors and inventors. If you take a look at the homepage below, it will quickly give you an idea of what it's about. Btw, I can't believe I'm thinking of switching over to Netscape's mail reader, and leaving Eudora that I like so much. If any of you have an http address listed in your signiture file, it is automatically clickable in Netscape, so I can jump to your homepages quickly without any cutting and pasting. Pretty cool. And if, as I have heard, it will incorporate its own TCP/IP stack and dialer, it can become a standalone answer to the web, newsgroups, email, chat, and who knows what else (Net-phone?). This an ad for Netscape or what? Sheesh. 'Nuf that. [But this baby (the Net) has just been born. We are where it's at, with much more to come.] Way off the freenrg topic, except that this medium simply *has* to be what pulls the essential twig out of the logjam that sets the river free on free energy, if it can be done. --Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 03:47:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA16963 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 03:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16958 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 03:46:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601091146.DAA16958@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Tue, 9 Jan 96 06:46 EST X-Sender: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:56:43 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.236 From: Matt Mahoney Subject: fnrg: HoverTec Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 11:14 AM 1/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >>From: Brent Davidson >>To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" >>Subject: Hovertec? >>Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:52:23 -0600 >> > >> Not to totally discount Hovertec, they did have one very interesting = >>concept. They had designed a system that modified the cyclotron concept = >>of ions rotating in a magnetic field to be used for magnetic levitation. = >> The device called a "hoverpod" consisted of an ion generator, magnetic = >>coil to cause the ions to rotate and form "ion shells" and a HV charged = >>plate to repell the "shells" away from the pod. They proposed using = >>induction to control all the rotational speed of all the ions in the = >>containment field. This idea does have a solid foundation and could be = >>made to work. If anyone want's more information, I can make their = >>original artical and drawings available. Hi, can you send me some more information on this? Thank you. -Matt ------------------------------------------ E-Mail: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Address: Matt Mahoney 58 Hollow Rock Trail Rochester, NY 14612-2223 ------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 09:08:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA24525 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24470 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12702 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:11:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:11:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199601091711.MAA12702@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.237 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: T & M Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings : If anyone is interested in working on a test and measurement FAQ, please respond. If you are just interested in seeing one posted, mail me anyway. If there is no interest here, I don't want to spend time doing it. K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 09:08:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA24810 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24741 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:04:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12889 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:12:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:12:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199601091712.MAA12889@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.238 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: re> new free energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings : Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant information than... "We have since independently verified a prototype producing approximately 1,000 watts of AC power at 300%+ over-unity. This technology is solid-state and extremely simple to manufacture. We anticipate manufacturing a 15 Kw home power system about the size of a microwave oven with an end-user cost of $4,000." ...like what was being tested, who tested it, with what, how long, etc. you get the idea. K. PS: Sorry for the harsh tone here, it's just that things like this pass my desk every month or so and I've yet to boil my java off the vacuum. My unbiased ears are pointing in your direction; make me a believer. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 09:15:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA26180 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from wanda.pond.com (wanda.phl.pond.com [198.69.82.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA26151 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific-4.vf.pond.com by wanda.pond.com (8.6.12/gw.1.0) id LAA15987; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:37:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:37:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199601091637.LAA15987@wanda.pond.com> X-Sender: toolman@mail.pond.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.239 From: "William P. Taylor" Subject: Re: fnrg: Announcement of New Free Energy Converter Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Reed, If your looking to install some units in an intial testing phase of some sort, I would be most interested. At 08:08 pm 1/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Four years ago I started an energy management company in the Phoenix area, which >has grown at a rapid rate with several offices in the US and Canada. My purpose >for starting this company was to develop the resources to finance, then >eventually manufacture and market a proven free energy technology. > >In the course of my networking with several inventors in this field, I provided >development funding to an inventor in return for the world-wide license to >manufacture and market his technology. > >We have since independently verified a prototype producing approximately 1,000 >watts of AC power at 300%+ over-unity. This technology is solid-state and >extremely simple to manufacture. We anticipate manufacturing a 15 Kw home power >system about the size of a microwave oven with an end-user cost of $4,000. > >As both an entrepreneur and an investor, it is my prediction that all other >forms of new energy generation, including cold fusion, cavitation, >electrostatic, and magnetic-rotating type generators will become obsolete as >solid state receivers become dominant in the new energy age. They simply cannot >meet the reliability and production cost of solid state ZPE receivers. I am >convinced we have the leading solid state ZPE technology. > >In the new energy field, inasmuch as 1995 was the year for breakthroughs, then >1996 is the year for commercialization. We intend to be the leader of the new >energy field. The challenge to the pioneers in this field will be to apply the >best manufacturing and marketing programs to bring these products to the >consumer around the world. In other words, the challenge no longer rests with >the inventors, but with the entrepreneurs who have the vision to commercialize >these products properly. > >We are prepared for the challenge and invite all competitors in this new field. > We already have the beginnings of a dealer network in the US and Canada who >will market our home generator. We expect to begin production of a home power >generator in August of this year. > >I am making this "private" announcement for three reasons: > >1. We in are looking for individuals to join our company with experience in >engineering, manufacturing, and marketing. You should be able to relocate to >Arizona. We are interested in learning about your background, experience, along >with ideas of what you feel you could add to our organization. > >2. Approximately half of the financing needed to scale-up our technology and >begin production is in place. We are not interested in venture capital, but >private investors. A complete business plan is available. Prototype >demonstrations will be made to prospective investors and/or their technical >associates after a letter-of-intent is signed. > >3. Last, we intent to begin world-wide deployment of our product this year, so >we are looking for groups of individuals or companies who can represent our >technology, including the manufacture of our generators in their own country. A >proven track record and adequate financial resources is necessary. > >Any individuals or groups interested in the above should contact me via private >e-mail or fax as listed below. > >I would ask that this announcement not be re-posted. In due time, we will make >the proper public announcements in late 1996 AFTER we have several hundred home >generators installed. > >A British statesman once said, "The Kingdom of Heaven runs on righteousness, but >the Kingdom of Earth runs on oil." We intend to change all that. It is our >objective to restore true freedom and environmental security to the individual >as our goal is to convert one-half of old energy production methods to our >technology within 10 years. > >Here's to the beginning of the energy revolution... > > >Reed Huish >Fax: (602) 899-0875 >Email: reedh@indirect.com > > ------------------------------------- William P. Taylor From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 10:37:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09115 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09058 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.42 (s42.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.42]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA22776 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:34:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:34:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199601091834.LAA22776@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.241 From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601091712.MAA12889@cnct.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) wrote: >Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information >concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion >group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. >I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature >of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant >information. Its a legitimate question, one I which knew would come. Results have obviously been released to individuals involved in our organization, but I don't see an overwhelming need to do so for public consumption yet. In due time. My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions about technology. I know this list service is technically oriented, but many of the readers fail to understand that we have had working f/e devices for over fifty years now. The key is not the technology, its the marketing that will determine its success or failure. - Reed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 10:49:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA11193 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA11151 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA06204 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:36:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA12734; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:46:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:46:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601091846.MAA12734@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.242 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Greetings : > >Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information >concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion >group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. >I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature >of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant >information than... > I was wondering that myself! What is the basis of the device? Is it a Brandt-Tesla converter? Or is it a relaxation-time device such as presented in Bearden's "The Final Secret of Free Energy"? It wouldn't give away too much to state the basic premise of the device. Zack Widup w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 11:38:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA18921 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18906 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:34:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601091934.LAA18906@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 11:48:29 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.243 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:12 PM 1/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings : > >Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information >concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion >group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. >I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature >of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant >information than... I offered to place his message on my web pages, and seem to have made a mistake there: >>However, maybe you can explain to me the benefits of putting this on your web >>page at this time. Certainly I want to do this, and I do appreciate the offer, >>but timing is very important. Am I missing something? >> >>- Reed I think you announced too early Reed. This list is certainly monitored by some who wouldn't gain from free energy. I would suggest that if you really have something, that you immediately beef up security, because I don't want to be hearing three months from now that you would have begun marketing but your facilities have been sabotaged. Going public is best done like a tidal wave. Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 12:36:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA27494 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27470 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA27366; Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:29:44 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:30:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 14:43:32 EST Message-Id: <4F06+YJgwkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.244 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: New Free Energy. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions about technology. I know this list service is technically oriented, but many of the readers fail to understand that we have had working f/e devices for over fifty years now. The key is not the technology, its the marketing that will determine its success or failure." I have a few problems with this as well. First, this may not be the correct approach to use to recruit people from this list server to work on this project. On the other hand, it is not clear that this is the intent of the post. More likley, the intent is to recruit personal investors. The stated reason for this list server IS technical discussion, with a heavy emphisis on experimental work. Advertising for private investors is a quite different form of commercial activity than simple "stuff for sale" ads between researchers. Secondly, technology is the issue here, for the above reasons. While this device may in fact exist, and do all that is claimed of it, this in no way implies that the device is ready for commercial applications. What side effects might be present? What about electromagnetic or other radiations from it's operation? What about effects due to yet unknown processes? And you wnat to sell these to people to put in their homes, but provide no evidence of it's testing? WE are only now learning of the possible effects of standard electromagnetic technology, much less such poorly understood technology of extracting energy from the vaccum. What about legal claims against users of these devices from neighbors as an exeample? "It's my vaccum too, and I dont want the potential ordered by that device...." After all, this is the same vaccum that takes part in the quantum events of biology and consciousness as well. There are larger issues here. Lastly, marketing does not ensure the sucess or failure of a venture, especially where free energy is concerned. No free energy device has ever been marketed sucessfully, nor are any likley to be. How can you accept investors money without the protection of a patent? Why is this any different than any other free energy scam if no evidence is made available? With the recent MRA investor scaming, dedicated researchers need to be concerned with the total lack of credibility such claims bring to the field as a whole. If indeed this device has been around for over fifty years, why should we assume that in all that time, no better marketing approach than this has been used? So the only people who get to see the details already have to have an interest in its commercial application? That's objective. In my opinion, even if this device does indeed function far better than claimed, this business approach is deeply flawed, and will fail. There does not appear to be any understanding of just why these devices are not commonly avaialble on the part of the poster at all. "Where's the beef?" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 12:53:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA00617 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00553 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA10749; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:50:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:50:51 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.245 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy In-Reply-To: <199601091834.LAA22776@ns2.indirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Reed Huish wrote: > My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions about > technology. I know this list service is technically oriented, but many of the > readers fail to understand that we have had working f/e devices for over fifty > years now. The key is not the technology, its the marketing that will determine > its success or failure. I disagree that we have had working devices. Yes, such devices have existed for decades, but the details have always remained secret, and sucessful replication of o/u devices by anyone but the inventors has remained elusive. You may have a sucessful device, but mankind certainly does not. How are you going to avoid the "curse" which seems always to wreck any free energy business endevour? How is your company different than all the others which have failed? ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 14:04:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA14240 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA14213 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from t29.dialup.peg.apc.org (t29.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.157]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id JAA03375 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:00:52 +1000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:00:52 +1000 Message-Id: <199601092300.JAA03375@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.246 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) wrote: >>Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information >>concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion >>group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. >>I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature >>of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant >>information. > >Its a legitimate question, one I which knew would come. Results have obviously >been released to individuals involved in our organization, but I don't see an >overwhelming need to do so for public consumption yet. In due time. > >My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions about Re: Over-unity machine Reed, In view of the potential importance of your device my mind-control research organisation has elected to do a full-blown penetrating Remote Viewing exercise on the likely outcome of the success of your operation. We will be using a process known as "consensual associated remote viewing" whereby 3 separate RV teams will independantly utilise the following procedure: Each team will be asked to mentally project the results of your endeavours agains the vision of a specific object. That is....they would be shown 3 "associated" objects such as - (1) a glass jar (2) a screwdriver (3) a book. They would then be told what each item represents. A book would represent a howling success. A screwdriver would represent a mediocre result and a glass jar would indicate a dismal failure. Each team would then be asked to do the Rving exercise and visualise one of these 3 objects 6 months ahead.......2 years ahead....and 5 years ahead. The combined results would then be assessed by an independant judge who is totally unaware of the significance of the project. As the accuracy in this type of project can be close to 100% I,m sure you will be delighted to have these results in advance. Furthermore, in view of the potential importance of your project I have arranged for an associate (who ownes a well known U.S. RV company who do contract work for various US government departments) to replicate our RVing project which would confirm our level of accuracy. All we need from you to start is the approximate latitudinal and longitudinal co-ordinates of your geographical business location. This will give our RV teams something to target on and cut down our time factor. I feel certain that others on this list (many of whom are familiar with RVing) would also be interested in receiving a copy of the results. Over to you Reed... Jim Francis Editor Australian Lateral Thinking newsletter Researching: Anomalous mind effects - Remote Viewing - Subjective Communication - distant hypnosis - psychokinetics. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 14:04:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA14240 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA14213 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from t29.dialup.peg.apc.org (t29.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.157]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id JAA03375 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:00:52 +1000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:00:52 +1000 Message-Id: <199601092300.JAA03375@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.246 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) wrote: >>Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information >>concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion >>group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. >>I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature >>of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant >>information. > >Its a legitimate question, one I which knew would come. Results have obviously >been released to individuals involved in our organization, but I don't see an >overwhelming need to do so for public consumption yet. In due time. > >My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions about Re: Over-unity machine Reed, In view of the potential importance of your device my mind-control research organisation has elected to do a full-blown penetrating Remote Viewing exercise on the likely outcome of the success of your operation. We will be using a process known as "consensual associated remote viewing" whereby 3 separate RV teams will independantly utilise the following procedure: Each team will be asked to mentally project the results of your endeavours agains the vision of a specific object. That is....they would be shown 3 "associated" objects such as - (1) a glass jar (2) a screwdriver (3) a book. They would then be told what each item represents. A book would represent a howling success. A screwdriver would represent a mediocre result and a glass jar would indicate a dismal failure. Each team would then be asked to do the Rving exercise and visualise one of these 3 objects 6 months ahead.......2 years ahead....and 5 years ahead. The combined results would then be assessed by an independant judge who is totally unaware of the significance of the project. As the accuracy in this type of project can be close to 100% I,m sure you will be delighted to have these results in advance. Furthermore, in view of the potential importance of your project I have arranged for an associate (who ownes a well known U.S. RV company who do contract work for various US government departments) to replicate our RVing project which would confirm our level of accuracy. All we need from you to start is the approximate latitudinal and longitudinal co-ordinates of your geographical business location. This will give our RV teams something to target on and cut down our time factor. I feel certain that others on this list (many of whom are familiar with RVing) would also be interested in receiving a copy of the results. Over to you Reed... Jim Francis Editor Australian Lateral Thinking newsletter Researching: Anomalous mind effects - Remote Viewing - Subjective Communication - distant hypnosis - psychokinetics. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 14:04:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA14302 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA14287 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c1p2.aa.net (s3c1p2.aa.net [204.157.220.142]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03350 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:01:51 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601092201.OAA03350@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:01:15 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.247 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: New Free Energy. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Shannon, I resonate with most of your comments as cited below, but let me add the reminder that we are trying to get interaction started and the "flame" of cooperation growing larger while holding at bay the wild ravanges of the untamed "flames" which are raging out of control in the usenets. Your post is rightously critical but you left unstated an invitation to cooperate, which could be misinterpreted. At 02:43 PM 1/9/96 EST, you wrote: >"My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions >about technology. I know this list service is technically oriented, but >many >of the readers fail to understand that we have had working f/e devices for >over fifty years now. The key is not the technology, its the marketing >that will determine its success or failure." > >I have a few problems with this as well. > >First, this may not be the correct approach to use to recruit people from >this list server to work on this project. On the other hand, it is not >clear that this is the intent of the post. More likley, the intent is to >recruit personal investors. > >The stated reason for this list server IS technical discussion, with a >heavy emphisis on experimental work. Advertising for private investors is >a quite different form of commercial activity than simple "stuff for sale" >ads between researchers. > >Secondly, technology is the issue here, for the above reasons. While this >device may in fact exist, and do all that is claimed of it, this in no way >implies that the device is ready for commercial applications. What side >effects might be present? What about electromagnetic or other radiations >from it's operation? What about effects due to yet unknown processes? And >you wnat to sell these to people to put in their homes, but provide no >evidence of it's testing? WE are only now learning of the possible effects >of standard electromagnetic technology, much less such poorly understood >technology of extracting energy from the vaccum. > >What about legal claims against users of these devices from neighbors as an >exeample? "It's my vaccum too, and I dont want the potential ordered by >that device...." After all, this is the same vaccum that takes part in the >quantum events of biology and consciousness as well. There are larger >issues here. > >Lastly, marketing does not ensure the sucess or failure of a venture, >especially where free energy is concerned. No free energy device has ever >been marketed sucessfully, nor are any likley to be. > >How can you accept investors money without the protection of a patent? > >Why is this any different than any other free energy scam if no evidence is >made available? With the recent MRA investor scaming, dedicated >researchers need to be concerned with the total lack of credibility such >claims bring to the field as a whole. > >If indeed this device has been around for over fifty years, why should we >assume that in all that time, no better marketing approach than this has >been used? > >So the only people who get to see the details already have to have an >interest in its commercial application? That's objective. > >In my opinion, even if this device does indeed function far better than >claimed, this business approach is deeply flawed, and will fail. There >does not appear to be any understanding of just why these devices are not >commonly avaialble on the part of the poster at all. > >"Where's the beef?" > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:22:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA29645 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from l2.conline.com (root@l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA29635 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from darkstar.conline.com (fearl@dal1-10.conline.com [204.96.7.106]) by l2.conline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA19036; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:21:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:23:16 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.248 From: Svartalf To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy In-Reply-To: <199601091712.MAA12889@cnct.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Keith Nagel wrote: > Reed Huish recently posted an ad for investors; no actual information > concerning the device appears. I find this annoying, as this discussion > group was ( I believe ) intended to discuss the functioning of such devices. > I don't think you have to give away the store to inform people of the nature > of a device. So perhaps Mr. Huish would post again with more pertinant > information than... > > "We have since independently verified a prototype producing approximately 1,000 > watts of AC power at 300%+ over-unity. This technology is solid-state and > extremely simple to manufacture. We anticipate manufacturing a 15 Kw home > power > system about the size of a microwave oven with an end-user cost of $4,000." Yes... Please do this, Mr. Huish. If you don't wish to provide more information, please don't post it again. Why? I'm fed up with the ENDLESS wave of irrelavent commercialism that the net seems to have at least partially degenerated to. Without some of the details of functioning (In other words, something a little more details than it being a ZPE power source. Hell, I'm pursuing a few projects along those lines, myself...) it's just another stupid ad posted to my e-mailbox or to another newsgroup. Please read _carefully_ the final paragraph of my .sig, Reed... You have just been served notice that without further details about your supposed device that I deem further postings of this nature by you or any member of your group to be unsolicited commercial mailings sent to my e-mail address through this semi-private newsgroup. I hate to have to do this to a fellow free-energy seeker, but you leave me with no choice. I will not placidly stand by while others spam up the 'net for naught but personal gain- no matter who they are or what they attempt to do. Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a $500 archival fee per copy. 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A copy of USC 47 may be found online at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:55:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA04301 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:54:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04291 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24181 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:54:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:54:26 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.249 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Additions to the INE Web Site Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has today been updated to include: 5 Meeting Announcements (4 with Calls For Papers) Information Sources Section (13 Listed) Commercialization Sources Section (10 Listed) Complete New Energy News Table of Contents (Through the January 1996, NEN most recent issue). Be sure to keep with what is happening in the advanced energy conversion technical fields, including demonstrations of over-unity 'cold fusion' devices (that will demonstrated at MIT this January 20) by inspecting: www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:57:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA04603 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04595 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24549 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:56:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:56:45 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.250 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion Demo Near MIT on Jan. 20 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: COLD FUSION AND NEW ENERGY SYMPOSIUM Saturday, 20 January 1996 8:00 AM to 5:30 PM Cambridge Marriott Hotel (a stop on the Harvard Square subway line) Cambridge, Mass (near MIT) Sponsored by Infinite Energy magazine. The meeting will feature speakers, video presentations, and discussions about the science, technology, and commercial developments in the rapidly growing cold fusion and new energy field. The meeting is open to the general public. A highlight will be a presentation of the latest research on the U.S. patented Patterson Power Cell, which has achieved record excess power production levels for a cold fusion process. A nominal registration fee of $15.00 will be charged (in advance or at the door). There is a limit of 200 on attendees, due to space considerations. Please RSVP your intention to attend. The Cambridge Marriott Hotel is near MIT at the Kendall Square "Red Line" MTA station (Boston subway), and just 15 minutes from Boston's Logan International Airport. For information or to attend, please contact Cold Fusion Technology, P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816. Phone 603-228-4516, FAX 603-224-5975, or by e-mail <76570.2270@compuserve.com>. [Taken from the January 1996, issue of New Energy News, Vol. 3, No. 8] [See lots of information about the Institute For New Energy at: www.padrak.com/ine/] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:58:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA04671 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04655 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24723 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:24 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.251 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: 6TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COLD FUSION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 6TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COLD FUSION Will be Held October 13-18, 1996 Hotel Apex Toya, Hokkaido, Japan Sponsored by: Japanese National Institute for Fusion Science TEL +81-3-3508-8901 FAX +81-3-3508-8902 Email: mac@iae.or.jp Send Abstracts before May 1996 to: Mr. K. Matsui NHE-Center, IAE Nishi-Shinbashi TS Building 1-22-5 Nishi-Shinbashi, Minato-ku Tokyo, 105 JAPAN [Taken from the January 1996, issue of New Energy News, Vol. 3, No. 8] [See lots of information about the Institute For New Energy at: www.padrak.com/ine/] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:58:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA04711 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04692 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24762 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:57:30 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.252 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: 3RD INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON NEW ENERGY Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 3RD INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON NEW ENERGY AN EXPLORATION OF "FREE ENERGY" GENERATORS A SYMPOSIUM FOR PROFESSIONALS, INDUSTRY, LAY PEOPLE AND NEWS MEDIA April 25-28, 1996 Denver Hilton South Hotel Denver, Colorado CALL FOR PAPERS AND ABSTRACTS Scholarly papers are invited on any topic related to New Energy as defined herein. These papers should include one or more of the following: theories, designs, inventions, and research results. Abstracts of not more than 400 words must be sent as soon as possible to the address below. Consideration of abstracts cannot be assured if received after March 15, 1996. Authors will be notified as soon as possible if the paper is accepted for presentation. Copy-ready manuscripts for proceedings are due April 1, 1996. Symposium on New Energy International Association on New Science (IANS) 1304 S. College Avenue Fort Collins, CO 80524 TEL 970-482-3731 FAX 970-482-3120 Registration Fees: (10% Discount for IANS Members) Before March 1, 1996: $200.00 Before April 1, 1996: $250.00 After April 1, 1996: $300.00 IANS Membership is $35.00 per year, and includes the quarterly newsletter. Speakers at the conference are expected to include: Edgar Mitchell (former Apollo Astronaut) Dennis Craven (Patterson Cold Fusion Power Cell) Jim Griggs (Hyrosonic Pump) Mark Hendershot (Hendershot Motor) Eugene Mallove (Cold Fusion Update) Harold Puthoff (Zero Point Energy) Tom Valone (Free Energy and Propulsion) Robert Emmerich (On the Measurement of Energy) John Grow (Anti-Gravity) John Hutchison (Anti-Gravity) Scott Klaumizio (Powering Your Motor from Food Oil) Don Kelly (Space Power) Ron Kovac (Transmutation of Elements) Jeanne Manning (The Upcoming Energy Revolution) Roy McAllister (Free Energy) Andrew Michronski (Free Energy) Bill Mullen (Magnetic Motor Generator) Brian O'Leary (Author) [Taken from the IANS Newsletter Flyer and also from the January 1996, issue of New Energy News, Vol. 3, No. 8] [See lots of information about the Institute For New Energy at: www.padrak.com/ine/] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:59:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA04849 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04817 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24904 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:16 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.253 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: 31st IECEC - Call For Papers Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 31ST INTERSOCIETY ENERGY CONVERSION ENGINEERING CONFERENCE CALL FOR PAPERS INDUSTRY, ENERGY AND CONSERVATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY Omni Shoreham Hotel, Washington, D.C. August 11-16, 1996 The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) announces the thirty-first Intersociety Energy Conversion Engineering Conference (IECEC). This conference provides a forum to present and discuss engineering aspects of energy conversion technologies and systems. papers in the following topical areas are welcome: TOPICAL AREAS: Aerospace Power Systems Aerospace Power Technologies Conversion Technologies Electrochemical Technologies Environmental Impacts Energy Systems New Technologies for Energy Utilization Policy Impacts on Energy Renewable Energy Sources Stirling Engines and Applications Submission of Abstracts: Four copies of abstracts are to be submitted for review by December 15, 1995, to the IECEC-96 administration office. [This deadline has passed, and in past years has usually been extended into February and sometimes even March of the next year.] Abstracts should be approximately 500 words in length, but no longer than 1000 words in length, presenting facts that are new and significant and should include the results achieved. Submission dealing with any topic within the scope of the IECEC Topical Areas will be considered. Include the following on the first page of your abstract: (1) the name and address of the author to whom correspondence should be addressed and (2) the Topical Area(s) you feel would be most appropriate for your paper. Authors will be notified of abstract acceptance and provided instructions for manuscript preparation in the end of January 1996. A draft copy of the manuscript will be due March 15. Reviewer's comments will be provided by April 15. A camera-ready copy will be due by June 1, 1996. Only accepted papers published in the 1996 IECEC Proceedings will be presented orally at the conference. [Authors are allowed to publish a paper of up to six pages in length for free, and at least one author is expected to present the paper at the conference.] The IECEC is jointly sponsored by six participating societies: IEEE, AIChE, ANS, SAE, AIAA, and ASME. ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE Ms. Eileen Grady Business Assistants Washington, D.C. TEL 301-330-0048 FAX 301-258-0524 PROGRAM CHAIR Dr. P. Chetty Orbital Sciences Corporation Washington, D.C. TEL 301-286-6338 FAX 301-286-1699 GENERAL CHAIR Dr. William Jackson HMJ Corporation, Washington, D.C. TEL 301-946-1586 FAX 301-946-4374 [Also:] [See lots of information about the Institute For New Energy at: www.padrak.com/ine/] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 21:59:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA04881 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04840 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24945 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:58:23 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.254 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON HIGH TECHNOLOGY Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON HIGH TECHNOLOGY IN THE POWER INDUSTRY CALL FOR PAPERS International Association of Science and Technology of Development (IASTED) 4-8 June 1996, Banff, Alberta, Canada The aim of this conference is to act as a forum for the exchange of information and experience in all aspects of high technology and advances in the power field. Submission of papers: The full manuscript (max. four pages) and three copies are to be received by February 1, 1996, for review by the Internatioanl Program Committee. Full manuscripts must be in the format specified. Contact IASTED at 403-288-1195 or FAX 403-247-6851, E-mail iasted@istd.cuug.ab.ca for specific paper instructions. Include a statement in your cover letter confirming that if the paper is accepted, one of the authors will attend the conference to present it and pay the registration fee of $400.00 by 1 April 1996. Notification of acceptance will be mailed by March 1, 1996. [Taken from the January 1996, issue of New Energy News, Vol. 3, No. 8] [See lots of information about the Institute For New Energy at: www.padrak.com/ine/] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 9 22:28:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA08939 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA08931 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA14036 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:35:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:35:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199601100635.BAA14036@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.255 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: RE> Free energy wingnut Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings : Reed Huish replies : >"My goal is to build & market a product, not get wrapped up in discussions >about technology. I know this list service is technically oriented, but >many >of the readers fail to understand that we have had working f/e devices for >over fifty years now. The key is not the technology, its the marketing >that will determine its success or failure." Well, what this reader has become aware of ( from direct experience I might add ) is that the best way to profit from advanced technology ( O/U or otherwise ) is to sell it to the guy making the leading brand. Also, this reader has seen researchers harassed by parties relevant to their invention, and investors defrauded. No one has any illusions here. I take it by point 1 that things are not as rosy as you portray? K. Free energy is, by definition, something you don't pay for. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 00:33:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA23708 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hugin.oden.se (root@hugin.oden.se [193.45.240.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA23668 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup12-hugin.oden.se by hugin.oden.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0tZvwn-000BByC; Wed, 10 Jan 96 09:31 MET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 09:31 MET X-Sender: connyo@hugin.oden.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.256 From: connyo@oden.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: Re: fnrg: Announcement of New Free Energy Converter Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >... >We have since independently verified a prototype producing approximately 1,000 >watts of AC power at 300%+ over-unity. This technology is solid-state and >extremely simple to manufacture. We anticipate manufacturing a 15 Kw home power >system about the size of a microwave oven with an end-user cost of $4,000. >Reed Huish >Fax: (602) 899-0875 >Email: reedh@indirect.com I think that even if you publish the schematics and building instructions in a shareware-maner, you will have more to do than you will have time to for the rest of your life. I think you will get your money and fame too. If you ignore the patent-office, then you dont have to get it approved by the government. If the information is spread thru internet, then there is NO WAY for the power-companies to stop the development and manufacturing of these o/u devices. I would love to tinker with o/u devices, but without money it will be mostly dreams. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 01:41:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA29365 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29342 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham-slip1.netconnect.com.au (horsham-slip1.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.41]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04679 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:45:28 +1100 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:45:28 +1100 Message-Id: <199601100945.UAA04679@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.257 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: fnrg: A few questions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi everyone, I am still relativly new to this news group, and I was wondering if someone with a few spare seconds would be able to answer a few questions that I have concerning free energy devices. 1) Has anyone ever actually built a free energy or perpetual motion device, and then had this device tested and confirmed by a reliable person or institution. 2) If so, why has nothing been done with it. (ie : why arn't we all driving cars and living in houses powered by devices supplying us with free, clean energy.) Thanks, and good luck with any projects your all working on at the moment Chris ccarter@netconnect.com.au From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 03:53:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09149 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09143 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p4.aa.net (s3c0p4.aa.net [204.157.220.136]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA09876 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:53:09 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601101153.DAA09876@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:52:33 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.258 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Yes... Please do this, Mr. Huish. If you don't wish to provide more >information, please don't post it again. Please kindly Mr. Huish post whatever you what like whenever you would like. > >Why? > >I'm fed up with the ENDLESS wave of irrelavent commercialism that the net >seems to have at least partially degenerated to. > >Without some of the details of functioning (In other words, something >a little more details than it being a ZPE power source. Hell, I'm >pursuing a few projects along those lines, myself...) it's just another >stupid ad posted to my e-mailbox or to another newsgroup. > >Please read _carefully_ the final paragraph of my .sig, Reed... > >You have just been served notice that without further details about your >supposed device that I deem further postings of this nature by you or any >member of your group to be unsolicited commercial mailings sent to my e-mail >address through this semi-private newsgroup. > >I hate to have to do this to a fellow free-energy seeker, but you leave >me with no choice. I will not placidly stand by while others spam up the >'net for naught but personal gain- no matter who they are or what they >attempt to do. > > > >Frank Earl >Earl Consulting Services Whoa slow down, Frank, this is a flame and flames are out of order on this listserv. PERIOD. We have a moderator, Bill Beatty, who is very sensitive, very caring, and very bright. Let him determine sweetly in the background who is abusing this listserv. When he has made such a determnation, he will block the postings. If you want to whisper in his ear about candidates for blocking, please send your flames directly and privately to him. He is quite responsive. I don't know how he does it. Best wishes, Frank, for a happier interaction next time. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 03:53:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09161 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09151 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p4.aa.net (s3c0p4.aa.net [204.157.220.136]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA09894 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:53:22 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601101153.DAA09894@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:52:46 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.259 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Additions to the INE Web Site Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:54 PM 1/9/96 -0800, you wrote: >The Institute for New Energy Web Site has today been updated to include: > > 5 Meeting Announcements (4 with Calls For Papers) > > Information Sources Section (13 Listed) > > Commercialization Sources Section (10 Listed) > > Complete New Energy News Table of Contents > (Through the January 1996, NEN most recent issue). > >Be sure to keep with what is happening in the advanced energy conversion >technical fields, including demonstrations of over-unity 'cold fusion' >devices (that will demonstrated at MIT this January 20) by inspecting: > > www.padrak.com/ine/ > > Thank you for your posts, Patrick ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 06:57:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA27106 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 06:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from odo.msoe.edu (root@odo.msoe.edu [155.92.10.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA27092 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 06:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by odo.msoe.edu; id AA14060; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:56:52 -0600 Received: from WARP/SpoolDir by warp.msoe.edu (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jan 96 08:58:55 GMT+6 Received: from SpoolDir by WARP (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jan 96 08:58:36 GMT+6 X-UIDL: 834952770.260 From: "The Overfeind" Organization: Milwaukee School of Engineering To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:58:35 CST6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fnrg: HoverTec Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <1B8ECC70C55@warp.msoe.edu> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: hey now this is what i have been looking for.... can you post it in .html??? or at least in a t file for us? Hey this sure beats Mine Sweeper ### O O U \_/ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 07:15:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA00140 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA00123 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA09899; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:14:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:14:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199601101514.HAA09899@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.261 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: > > >> >>Yes... Please do this, Mr. Huish. If you don't wish to provide more >>information, please don't post it again. > >Please kindly Mr. Huish post whatever you what like whenever you would like. > >> >>Why? >> >>I'm fed up with the ENDLESS wave of irrelavent commercialism that the net >>seems to have at least partially degenerated to. >> >>Without some of the details of functioning (In other words, something >>a little more details than it being a ZPE power source. Hell, I'm >>pursuing a few projects along those lines, myself...) it's just another >>stupid ad posted to my e-mailbox or to another newsgroup. >> >>Please read _carefully_ the final paragraph of my .sig, Reed... >> >>You have just been served notice that without further details about your >>supposed device that I deem further postings of this nature by you or any >>member of your group to be unsolicited commercial mailings sent to my e-mail >>address through this semi-private newsgroup. >> >>I hate to have to do this to a fellow free-energy seeker, but you leave >>me with no choice. I will not placidly stand by while others spam up the >>'net for naught but personal gain- no matter who they are or what they >>attempt to do. >> >> >> >>Frank Earl >>Earl Consulting Services > >Whoa slow down, Frank, this is a flame and flames are out of order on this >listserv. PERIOD. > 1/10/96 Whoa! Take it easy Frank. Be prudent in your threats to enforce the US Code on Mr. Huish. If you sue Mr. Huish it's up to you prove his wrong doing and your damages. If you loose you may have to pay not only your attorney fees but also his. On top of that, he may then have a cause of action against you. Also, no doubt, you will have to bring Bill Beaty and the freenrg listserv into the litigation. I can't think of more of an irritant to the list members. Perhaps you might consider conveying your thoughts to Mr. Huish by private email. Sincerely, RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 10:45:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA07337 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07310 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.44 (s44.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.44]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA08791 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:44:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:44:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199601101844.LAA08791@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.262 From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601101514.HAA09899@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) wrote: >Perhaps you might consider conveying your thoughts to Mr. Huish by >private email. My thoughts exactly. A computer has something called a 'delete' button. If you don't like my message, just delete it and move on with your life. - Reed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 10:45:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA07376 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.indirect.com (root@ns1.indirect.com [165.247.1.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07364 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.44 (s44.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.44]) by ns1.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03424 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:45:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:45:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199601101845.LAA03424@ns1.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.263 From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >As the accuracy in this type of project can be close to 100% I,m sure you >will be delighted to have these results in advance. > >All we need from you to start is the approximate latitudinal and >longitudinal co-ordinates of your geographical business location. This will >give our RV teams something to target on and cut down our time factor. > Bring it on...I live & work in Chandler, Arizona (just SE of Phoenix). - Reed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 10:54:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09165 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09135 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03596 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:54:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:54:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199601101854.TAA03596@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.264 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Bruce Perrault device, anybody seen it yet ?? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I have seen the infos about the bruce Perrault device, that look like the Moray device type. Does anybody have first hand infos about this device ? Any videotapes yet out of an operational device ? Has anybody tried yet to order the tube and played with it ? Is it worth it ? Please let me know. Regards, Stefan. email to: harti@bbtt.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 11:40:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA17943 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17928 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p7.aa.net (s3c2p7.aa.net [204.157.220.155]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA28402 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:39:46 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601101939.LAA28402@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:39:11 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.265 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: A few questions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:45 PM 1/10/96 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > I am still relativly new to this news group, and I was wondering >if someone >with a few spare seconds would be able to answer a few questions that I have >concerning >free energy devices. > >1) Has anyone ever actually built a free energy or perpetual motion device, >and then >had this device tested and confirmed by a reliable person or institution. > >2) If so, why has nothing been done with it. (ie : why arn't we all driving >cars and living in houses powered by devices supplying us with free, >clean energy.) > >Thanks, and good luck with any projects your all working on at the moment > > > >Chris >ccarter@netconnect.com.au > > Chris, those are the fundamental questions of the field, nicely tucked up together in your post. We are all here on this listserv trying to get a coherent set of answers to these questions. Rumors abound. There is much 'seeming' information. It smells like there is stuff in the air. And there are mounds and mounds of stories since the 19th century, and even earlier. The trail seems to promise the existence of a whole herd. Those of us here I believe are here on the hunt because we all want to sink our teeth into the beef. Actually, Chris, there are some things cooking which are pretty well accepted by a sizable number of us as being real, such as cold fusion generally by a wide number of experimenters, and one in particular seems good, the CETI cell. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 12:16:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA25419 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25390 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:16:05 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.266 From: Russparker@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA28275 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:14:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:14:35 -0500 Message-ID: <960110151434_112297585@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! we've spent enough time extinguishing the flame, or was it flaming the flame. (Now here I am flaming the flame flamers) Lets get back to business, I have better things to do than filter through this junk. Please let the moderator handle the flames as well as what messages are appropriate. His delete key is the best FLAME extinquisher there is. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 12:16:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA25548 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25508 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from t11.dialup.peg.apc.org (t11.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.139]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id HAA15944 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:15:52 +1000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:15:52 +1000 Message-Id: <199601102115.HAA15944@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.267 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >My thoughts exactly. A computer has something called a 'delete' button. If you >don't like my message, just delete it and move on with your life. > >- Reed > Reed...my RVing teams are scheduled to assess your interesting project this weekend......can you let us have those co-ordinates? They're not necessary but it would cut down on their search time and as I'm paying them this would help. Couple of them have done some some private initial pre-Viewing and they're puzzled! Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND-SEARCH GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 12:25:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA27380 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27331 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA20757 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:16 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.268 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: John Bigalow - Refs. Wanted Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have someone who wants to find about about John Big-a-low. Anyone that can help me, thanks! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 13:35:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA10956 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10934 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for freenrg-list@eskimo.com id AA14625; Wed, 10 Jan 96 16:31:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.272 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: fnrg: Experementors Read This! To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------------------------------------------------------------- The following message is not an ad. It is merely an invitation to all experementors and inventors who may have ideas and conc- epts they wish to publish. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Sunshine Publishing Company is currently accepting manuscripts on all subject matter for consideration for publication. If you have any concepts, ideas, stories, or other material you wish to have printed (hey, maybe you have a free energy concept you want the world to know about), please contact Sunshine Publishing Company. Send query letter to: inf04045@freenet.npiec.on.ca or to request more information. Articles and manuscripts must be sent in print and on IBM 3.5 inch floppy diskette. Good luck for all inventors who submit thier Published! Sent By: Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 15:26:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA02212 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02196 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07990 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:25:38 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601102325.PAA07990@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:25:17 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.273 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: remote viewing experiment Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:15 AM 1/11/96 +1000, you wrote: >>My thoughts exactly. A computer has something called a 'delete' button. >If you >>don't like my message, just delete it and move on with your life. >> >>- Reed >> >Reed...my RVing teams are scheduled to assess your interesting project this >weekend......can you let us have those co-ordinates? They're not necessary >but it would cut down on their search time and as I'm paying them this would >help. Couple of them have done some some private initial pre-Viewing >and they're puzzled! > >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND-SEARCH GROUP > > Jim: I hope you will keep us all posted on the results. I personally am fascinated by psychic activity. Do you people work at all with crystals ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 16:10:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA26144 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA26022 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from t11.dialup.peg.apc.org (t11.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.139]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id HAA16079 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:18:16 +1000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:18:16 +1000 Message-Id: <199601102118.HAA16079@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.274 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: re> new free energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>As the accuracy in this type of project can be close to 100% I,m sure you >>will be delighted to have these results in advance. >> >>All we need from you to start is the approximate latitudinal and >>longitudinal co-ordinates of your geographical business location. This will >>give our RV teams something to target on and cut down our time factor. >> > >Bring it on...I live & work in Chandler, Arizona (just SE of Phoenix). > >- Reed > Thanks reed ....your message arrived about 30 seconds after I posted my follow-up request. Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 17:25:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA23978 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA23961 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from t18.dialup.peg.apc.org (t18.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.146]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id MAA12105 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:24:55 +1000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:24:55 +1000 Message-Id: <199601110224.MAA12105@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.275 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: remote viewing experiment Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>Jim Francis >>AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND-SEARCH GROUP > >Jim: I hope you will keep us all posted on the results. I personally am >fascinated by psychic activity. Do you people work at all with crystals >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher Negative Michael...........we stick strictly to scientifically based work that has been researched by Princeton, Stanford, Monroe etc. I tend to get uncomfortable with things that don't have some sort of scientific explanation. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 18:19:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA04980 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA04904 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA08342 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:18:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:18:20 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.276 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: fnrg: A few questions - Ideas Wanted Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have been thinking about Chris's post and Michael's response: ----- >At 08:45 PM 1/10/96 +1100, you wrote: >> >>Hi everyone, >> >> I am still relativly new to this news group, and I was wondering >>if someone >>with a few spare seconds would be able to answer a few questions that I have >>concerning >>free energy devices. >> >>1) Has anyone ever actually built a free energy or perpetual motion device, >>and then >>had this device tested and confirmed by a reliable person or institution. >> >>2) If so, why has nothing been done with it. (ie : why arn't we all driving >>cars and living in houses powered by devices supplying us with free, >>clean energy.) >> >>Thanks, and good luck with any projects your all working on at the moment >> >> >> >>Chris >>ccarter@netconnect.com.au >> >> > >Chris, those are the fundamental questions of the field, nicely tucked up >together in your post. We are all here on this listserv trying to get a >coherent set of answers to these questions. Rumors abound. There is much >'seeming' information. It smells like there is stuff in the air. And there >are mounds and mounds of stories since the 19th century, and even earlier. >The trail seems to promise the existence of a whole herd. Those of us here I >believe are here on the hunt because we all want to sink our teeth into the >beef. > >Actually, Chris, there are some things cooking which are pretty well >accepted by a sizable number of us as being real, such as cold fusion >generally by a wide number of experimenters, and one in particular seems >good, the CETI cell. >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm ----- I am in charge of building the Institute for New Energy Web Site at: www.padrak.com/ine/ If you could suggest some categories for files, we could certainly type the data we have into them and make them available on that site. And: Remember: I expect about 98% of all devices that are talked about and offered to be tested to not-turn-out. So, maybe the best kind of file would be one with the contents: Person (tab) Idea-Name (tab) Date-Offered (tab) Who-Tested (tab) When (tab) Results (tab) Current-Status [where (tab) could be '; ' for later pattern replacement] That would make a good spreadsheet, and we could sort on names, devices, and results, and I am unclear as to how to best put all of that information onto a web site for all to see - and to be able to drop it into a spreadsheet for individual use. The best example I can offer now are the tables I made in: http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE21.html Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 19:14:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA13668 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13643 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham-slip2.netconnect.com.au (horsham-slip2.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.42]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA31852 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:17:38 +1100 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:17:38 +1100 Message-Id: <199601110317.OAA31852@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.277 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: fnrg: Super Magnets Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi everyone, At the moment I am conducting a few experiments involving neodymium super magnets. The problem is that I have somehow managed to lose or misplace all of my notes, calculations, etc (d'oh!) and with them, the specs for my magnets. If anyone has any experience with neodymium super magnets, I would really appreciate it if you would be able to tell me the gauss value (at least approx) (at the pole face) of a 25mm (diam) x 5mm (long) and a 25mm (diam) x 30mm (long) neodymium super magnet. Thanks very much, Chris Carter ccarter@netconnect.com.au From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 10 19:43:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA18087 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from l2.conline.com (root@l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA18061 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from darkstar.conline.com (fearl@dal1-13.conline.com [204.96.7.109]) by l2.conline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA24198; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:45:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:46:58 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.278 From: Svartalf To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT In-Reply-To: <199601101514.HAA09899@ix6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I would like to apologize to the list for my conduct- it was inappropriate. Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a $500 archival fee per copy. E-mail recieved after any reciept of this notice implys acceptance of these terms. A copy of USC 47 may be found online at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 03:14:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA08848 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA08843 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c1p3.aa.net (s3c1p3.aa.net [204.157.220.143]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10941 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:58:29 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601111058.CAA10941@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:57:52 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.279 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: FLAME ALERT!!! THREE TRUCK ALERT Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:46 PM 1/10/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >I would like to apologize to the list for my conduct- it was >inappropriate. > > >Frank Earl >Earl Consulting Services Thanks, and certainly accepted by me. May you have a great day! ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 11:31:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA17168 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17070 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip122.vvm.com (slip122.vvm.com [204.71.94.32]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23170 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:01:14 -0600 Received: by slip122.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE028.7E9AD560@slip122.vvm.com>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:27:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAE028.7E9AD560@slip122.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.280 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Hovertec Update Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:24:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I received more response to my Hovertec posts than I originally = expected. Due to the massive show of interest, I have begun digitizing = the section of the Hovertec brochure that I mentioned in earlier posts. = I should have it available for anyone who wants it in a few days. Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 11:32:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA17243 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17222 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip122.vvm.com (slip122.vvm.com [204.71.94.32]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23199 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:02:05 -0600 Received: by slip122.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE028.EC689320@slip122.vvm.com>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAE028.EC689320@slip122.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.281 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Message to All Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:27:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The people in this group are creating the future. I commend all of you = for your work and would like to express my personal gratitude for your = concern for the Earth and for generations to come. In my opinion, this = is what the Internet is all about. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 14:24:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA20712 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA20685 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:23:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601112223.OAA20685@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:07:00 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.282 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Hovertec Update Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Here is a picture of a Hendershot generator: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/gif/hendshot.gif For anyone without web access, I can email it if you send a request to me (privately). Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 15:22:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA03517 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA03452; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07913; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:21:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:21:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199601112321.AAA07913@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.283 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hovertec Update Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 15:07 11.01.96 +0800, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >Here is a picture of a Hendershot generator: > >http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/gif/hendshot.gif > Looks good ! Does it work ??? Who build it ?? Regards, Stefan. >For anyone without web access, I can email it if you >send a request to me (privately). > >Gary Hawkins >------------------------------------------------------------- >Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today >http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 17:05:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA23206 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA23188 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA25245 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:12:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199601120112.UAA25245@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.284 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Hendershot Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings : Why the odd heading? This one seems more appropriate. Anyway, what are we looking at here? I don't see the flyback transformers, or the bell clapper. Where did it come from? Did it actually work? ( Hendershots machines did. ) K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 17:06:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA23411 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA23370 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p2.aa.net (s1c1p2.aa.net [204.157.220.174]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA19438 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:04:17 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601120104.RAA19438@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 05:05:11 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.285 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Message to All Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:27 PM 1/11/96 -0600, you wrote: >The people in this group are creating the future. I commend all of you for your work and would like to express my personal gratitude for your concern for the Earth and for generations to come. In my opinion, this is what the Internet is all about. > >Thanks, >Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) > > Thank you, Brent, you warm all of our hearts. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 19:18:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA14177 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com (ix13.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA14160 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA12359; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:16:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:16:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199601120316.TAA12359@ix13.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.287 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: > > >I've been asked to pass this along. For those who are >interested in pursuing the subject of cloudbusting further, > >Joel Carlinsky >6 Pond Road >Hawkey, MA 01399 > >...has been in the field for many years. > 1/11/96 Gary, Do you know if Joel has an internet address? Thanks, RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 20:08:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA22462 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA22420 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:08:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601120408.UAA22420@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:55:30 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.288 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Hovertec Update Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:21 AM 1/12/96 +0100, you wrote: >At 15:07 11.01.96 +0800, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >>Here is a picture of a Hendershot generator: >> >>http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/gif/hendshot.gif >> > >Looks good ! > >Does it work ??? Depends on who you ask. The builder said some teenagers had it for awhile, and that they said they got it to go a couple of times, and light the light bulb. > >Who build it ?? Someone in the Seattle area who doesn't want to become public right now. I'm trying to talk him into getting connected, having a homepage and so on, and that looks like a pretty good possibility real soon. He has the computer for it now. > >Regards, Stefan. > That image, for those who don't have web access, is 53K, forgot to mention that. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 20:30:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA26139 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26111 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:29:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601120429.UAA26111@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:17:15 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.289 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Hendershot Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:12 PM 1/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings : > >Why the odd heading? This one seems more appropriate. > >Anyway, what are we looking at here? I don't see the flyback transformers, >or the bell clapper. Where did it come from? Did it actually work? ( >Hendershots machines did. ) > >K. > > > Since it isn't an html page, merely a gif, the heading is apparently assigned by your browser. The transformers in a Hendershot generator aren't flybacks, just ordinary. The bell clapper you refer to is a vibrating mechanism that you tweak to get it vibrating, which is supposed to start the whole thing running on its own. In that picture, it is in the center at the top. It has an adjustable weight on it, to vary the frequency. ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 20:40:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA27912 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA27898 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:40:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601120440.UAA27898@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:27:56 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.290 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Cloud Busters. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:16 PM 1/11/96 -0800, you wrote: >You wrote: >> >> >>I've been asked to pass this along. For those who are >>interested in pursuing the subject of cloudbusting further, >> >>Joel Carlinsky >>6 Pond Road >>Hawkey, MA 01399 >> >>...has been in the field for many years. >> > >1/11/96 > >Gary, > >Do you know if Joel has an internet address? > >Thanks, > >RWW > > > Does not, but he would welcome and respond to snailmail. Can be real informative, has a kick-the-can sense of humor. Will warn that it seems like none of the people in that field seem to be in agreement or have much of a liking for each other. G ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 11 21:43:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA08905 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA08896 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA28580 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:50:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:50:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199601120550.AAA28580@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.291 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Hendershot Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi : Sorry about the confusion; what I meant was that the Subject headings was Re: Frg: Hovertec Update, not the name of the gif. As regards the "vibrating mechanism", please describe this in more detail. Is the large transformer at the front center the only one on the device? K. "Depends on who you ask. The builder said some teenagers had it for awhile, and that they said they got it to go a couple of times, and light the light bulb." This is discouraging... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 01:01:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA05294 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA05284 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:01:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601120901.BAA05284@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:51:10 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.292 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Hendershot Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Sorry about the confusion; what I meant was that the Subject headings was >Re: Frg: Hovertec Update, not the name of the gif. My misunderstanding. Sorry. Forgot to change that. >As regards the "vibrating mechanism", please describe this in more detail. >Is the large transformer at the front center the only one on the device? There's another transformer just like it in the back, behind the vibrating mechanism, and to the left. I am not too sure how that mechanism works, although I believe it connects with different contacts on either side, sending the current to one coil or the other. But I plan to call the builder, and hope to get a detailed explanation on this for you. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 07:14:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA04337 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA04294 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham-slip1.netconnect.com.au (horsham-slip1.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.41]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA16508 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:24:46 +1100 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:24:46 +1100 Message-Id: <199601121424.BAA16508@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.293 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: fnrg: electromagnetic induction Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I just have one quick question to ask anyone out there who would care to answer it. What factors dictate the amount of current induced when a magnet is moved through a coil of copper wire, and what formula can be used to determine the current induced. Thanks, Chris. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 07:52:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA12120 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA12076 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from snail.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id HAA03290; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:50:52 -0800 Received: from UK.Sun.COM (sunuk) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13274; Fri, 12 Jan 96 07:50:48 PST Received: from wycsun.UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.182.200]) by UK.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk110) id AA10753; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:51:16 GMT Received: from stratagem.uk.sun.com by wycsun.UK.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sec(uk - sec)) id AA03328; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:51:14 GMT Received: by stratagem.uk.sun.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA28962; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:51:12 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:51:12 GMT X-UIDL: 834952770.294 From: Chris.Baker@uk.sun.com (Chris Baker - SunSoft - Principal Systems Engineer) Message-Id: <9601121551.AA28962@stratagem.uk.sun.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Blown light bulb X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear All sorry if this is off-topic, but I thought it might stimulate discussion. The light bulb (250V 50HZ AC, 60VA) in my desk lamp "blew", but failed in a very interesting way: 1. The filament broke producing a discharge across the gap, approx 0.2 inches. 2. The filament was still glowing, and remained almost too bright to look at (I had to look with my eyelids mostly shut to distinguish the arc) 3. The bulb was (relatively) cool 4. This was accompanied by a high frequency (like almost ultrasonic) sound I sat and watched this for a good five minutes and then cut the power. Of course nothing happened on turning the power back on. Has anybody ever seen anything like this? Can anyone explain why the discharge was sustained even though the voltage passes through zero 50 times a second? Why the HF noise? Thanks for your thoughts Chris From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 10:28:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09330 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA08924 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03871 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:25:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:25:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199601121825.NAA03871@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.295 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Burnt Light Bulb Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Interesting... As you said, the current stops on reversal, but the reverse breakdown voltage is ordinarily much less. You also had a pair of points so the field gradients were more intense ( makes the gap look smaller over a planar type gap ). What happens is, the filament breaks, an arc occurs with current flowing in one direction, when the zero crossing is reached voltage builds until breakover ( not suprising since you have ~350 peak to play with ) and current flows again in the opposite direction. This is fundamentally what happens in spark gaps and HMI lamps when driven with a bipolar signal. Of course, with risetimes in the nanoseconds for breakdown processes, the appearance of high frequency components is not surprising. Just as an aside, this is the kind of curiosity that leads to a better understanding of the physical world. People seem to expect some enormous flashy machine to enlighten them; in fact observations such as Mr.Bakers are where the real wealth lies. K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 10:28:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09257 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA08749 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03922 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:25:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:25:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199601121825.NAA03922@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.296 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Hendershot Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm sure we would appreciate the effort, but don't knock yourself out. If the builder could not get the device to function then he clearly does not understand the Hendershot material. Hendershot used the electromagnet from a doorbell annuciator in conjunction with an iron plate and a magnetron magnet; not that you have to use the same but this gives you an idea of the mechanism involved. I seem to remember reading in an archive of this listserver that Mark Hendershot is shaking the tree; I'd like to here from him. K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 10:28:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09554 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09416 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03806 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:24:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:24:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199601121824.NAA03806@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.297 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Proposed T&M Format Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Test and Measurement Format : I will post an outline below. First, please post additional topic heading ideas. I will assemble the incomplete FAQ outline and repost it after about a week. At which point list-receivers should choose a topic heading and post an entry. Again, I will assemble the FAQ from posts and repost every week or so as the volume permits. I suppose I should say this, no pet theories please. I'm refraiming from it, you do the same. We're aiming at a !BASIC! primer on test and measurement. Something you might use to teach a freshman college level course. Keep this in mind when writing; some brilliant fellow once said that if you couldn't explain what you were doing to an eight year old you probably didn't understand it yourself. By the way, the response to this has been small. Perhaps this explains why you hear so many stories about o/u devices and see so few functioning o/u machines... Come on folks, I know there are some old RF dawgs out there, lets really contribute to o/u research by teaching people how to measure; more stories about someones uncles pet machine are getting us nowhere. This is Test And Measurement FAQ Outline Ver 1.0 Basic philosophy Absolute measurement Relative measurement Precision and Accuracy Systems of Units Transduced Quantity: Potential Difference Electric Scalar Potential Magnetic Field Magnetic Vector Potential Charge Current Gravitational Potential Gravitational Potential Difference Time Thermal Temperature Spin temperature Pressure Force Torque Accelleration Angular Velocity Photonic pH Transmission lines : Electromagnetic DC Radio Frequency Microwave Optical Differential Unbalanced Terminations Kelvin Connection Electromagnetic Energy Transmission : TEM wave TE wave TM wave Surface wave Shielding : Static Magnetic Static Electric Electromagnetic DC Radio frequency Microwave Frequency Thermal Fundamental Measurement Equiptment : Voltmeter Ammeter Analog oscilloscope Digital oscilloscope Additional Measurement Equiptment : Curve Tracer Time Domain Reflectometer LCR meter Q meter Bridge and Balanced Measurement Calorimeter Statistics and Analysis : Functions Root Mean Square Average Absolute average Integral Derivative Frequency Domain FFT Time Domain Continuous Wave Analysis frequency duty cycle Pulse Analysis risetime falltime pulsewidth flatness of top power energy Testing For Various Electrical Properties Lumped Inductance Lumped Capacitance Lumped Resistance Q Distributed Capacity Distributed Inductance Distributed Resistance Resonant Frequency Ambitious, yes. But I'm sure I missed important stuff, please start by posting suggested topic headings. K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 13:49:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA18786 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA18771 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p7.aa.net (s3c0p7.aa.net [204.157.220.139]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06538 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:42:41 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601122142.NAA06538@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:42:07 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.298 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Proposed T&M Format Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >This is Test And Measurement FAQ Outline Ver 1.0 > not a bad start. need to add a section for: Data Acquisition Computer Logging Computer Outputs Feedback Controls Printed Disk Logs Monitor Display Software I'LL BET HARD MONEY THAT MANY T&M ENGINEERS WORKING FOR EQUIPMENT COMPANIES ARE NETWORTHY. I'll bet also that a lot of the basic reference material can be coalesced and webbized from briefing docs they have inhouse. I've seen and have some great stuff. We need to get those guys involved. They can rationalilze it as helping the company pr if we give generous attribution of sources, and why not if it gets the job done. Anybody got any clues for casting a net to find them? Any special listservs and newsgroups? If you have any recommendations, post them here before we compose a net net for them. We should have the outline up as an url. Is anybody working on htmling your outline? If so, let me know, if not, let me know. If no one has volunteered yet to do it, I'll start htmling it so that each item of the outline is the table of contents which is completely clickable. BILL, is this suitable for housing on your eskimo virtual disk? If, so what is the ftp address there? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 15:56:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA16442 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA16381 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id al21793; 12 Jan 96 23:25 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa05029; 12 Jan 96 23:17 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:11:00 X-UIDL: 834952770.299 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1414@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Message to All X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 29 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Friday 12, January 1996 you wrote : > At 01:27 PM 1/11/96 -0600, you wrote: > >The people in this group are creating the future. I commend all of you for > your work and would like to express my personal gratitude for your concern > for the Earth and for generations to come. In my opinion, this is what the > Internet is all about. > > > >Thanks, > >Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) > > > > Thank you, Brent, you warm all of our hearts. I gave mine 2 minutes in the microwave, did the trick :-) Ooops, getting a bit off topic now :-( Sorry! ABW -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 16:16:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA01364 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01238 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p1.aa.net (s1c1p1.aa.net [204.157.220.173]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26921 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:33:26 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601121733.JAA26921@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:32:49 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.300 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: electromagnetic induction Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:24 AM 1/13/96 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >I just have one quick question to ask anyone out there who would care to answer >it. What factors dictate the amount of current induced when a magnet is moved >through a coil of copper wire, and what formula can be used to determine the >current induced. > > >Thanks, > > >Chris. > > go to Radio Shack or nearest good size bookstore acquire book on introduction to electricity, read it. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 16:19:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA02434 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA02245 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p1.aa.net (s1c1p1.aa.net [204.157.220.173]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27195 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:38:45 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601121738.JAA27195@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:38:08 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.301 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Blown light bulb Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 03:51 PM 1/12/96 GMT, you wrote: >Dear All > >sorry if this is off-topic, but I thought it might stimulate discussion. > >The light bulb (250V 50HZ AC, 60VA) in my desk lamp "blew", but failed in a very >interesting way: > >1. The filament broke producing a discharge across the gap, approx 0.2 inches. >2. The filament was still glowing, and remained almost too bright to look at > (I had to look with my eyelids mostly shut to distinguish the arc) >3. The bulb was (relatively) cool >4. This was accompanied by a high frequency (like almost ultrasonic) sound > >I sat and watched this for a good five minutes and then cut the power. Of >course nothing happened on turning the power back on. > >Has anybody ever seen anything like this? Can anyone explain why the discharge >was sustained even though the voltage passes through zero 50 times a second? >Why the HF noise? > >Thanks for your thoughts > >Chris > > I'll bet it was only a partial failure. Part of the filament, the broken ends, were oscillating enough to close the end briefly many many times per second, with heat expansion from current flow causing them to separate again. With sound, SOMETHING HAD TO BE MOVING. What else could be moving? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 16:37:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA25266 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA25212 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ag21609; 12 Jan 96 23:23 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa04920; 12 Jan 96 23:17 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:08:21 X-UIDL: 834952770.302 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1413@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Blown light bulb X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 48 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Friday 12, January 1996 you wrote : > Dear All That's Alaric :-) > sorry if this is off-topic, but I thought it might stimulate discussion. It's wierd, it's scientific :-) > The light bulb (250V 50HZ AC, 60VA) in my desk lamp "blew", but failed in a very > interesting way: > Has anybody ever seen anything like this? Can anyone explain why the discharge > was sustained even though the voltage passes through zero 50 times a second? > Why the HF noise? This reminds me of ancient rectifiers. The gadget contained several electrodes in an evacuated tube with a pool of mercury as one. Another electrode could be dipped in the mercury by an electromagnet. To start it going, it was dipped with a high voltage between mercury and dipper, then undipped. The arc vaporized some mercury, and the mercury vapour supported a discharge. If the power went, the vapour condensed, and the dipper had to be reapplied to get it going again. I'd guess that the 50Hz zeroage from time to time was short enough for the Hg to stay in vapour, so when current started to flow the other way, it'd still be able to, and would reheat the vapour. HF noise? Beats me! Always wondered why lightbulbs go 'fring' sometimes when on their last legs. Some kind of harmonic of the 50Hz? The coil starts to really get pulled about by inductive-electromagnetic forces, and resonates? Dunno. > Thanks for your thoughts NETime :-) > Chris ABW -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 18:06:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA13152 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from receptor.ibg.uu.se (root@receptor.ibg.uu.se [130.238.36.157]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13138 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from synapse.ibg.uu.se by receptor.ibg.uu.se via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id DAA29469; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 03:11:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 03:11:55 +0100 (MET) X-UIDL: 834952770.303 From: David Jonsson To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry-lines, earthradiation In-Reply-To: <199601121424.BAA16508@ren.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The Earth is said by some to be covered with a network of lines consisting of weak radiation affecting the neural system of mammals. The radiation is believed to be in the range of 2 MHz to 2 GHz. The Curry-lines are oriented northeast-southwest and northwest-southeast and the distance between these lines are 4 meters. The Hartmann-lines are oriented north-south and east-west and the distance between them are 1.5 meters. The Curry lines are named after the german Manfred Curry who first described them. The Hartmann-lines are named after the describer Ernst Hartmann who described them in the 1950'ies. Where two Curry-lines meet they form a Curry-cross. These crosses are lethal to humans and longtime exposure to such a cross causes cancer. On the contrary cats prefer to rest on these spots. Dogs and cattle are said to avoid them. Old buildings in Sweden and China are oriented in such a manner as to avoid Curry-lines. The knowledge to detect and avoid theese effects are vanishing due to "scientification". Dowsing is a technique to detect the lines. The idea is that the radiation is affecting the nervous system in such a manner that a dowsingrod twists up or down. The dowsingrod is hold in a unstable equilibrium so that small muscular activity causes it to bend heavily. My questions are: 1. What is the status of dowsing in the US? Is it applied to avoid cancer? 2. Is anyone out there capable of detecting or deduce the rediation that nervous sytems emit? Since the nerves are electric conductors they have to radiate. By applying radiation of the same spectral distribution the nervous system should be interferred and work less good (increased noise). I have had problems in attracting qualified personnel to work with these questions. The two main reasons are the occult aspect of the phenomenon and the lacking qualification in both neurobiology and electrodynamics. Please distribute this question along to others who might be interested or may be capable of clarification. You can help increasing public health! David David Jonsson Voice +46-18-24 51 52 Fax +46-18-10 37 37 P.O Box 353 david@ibg.uu.se Cellular Phone (GSM) +46-70-721 25 19 S-751 06 UPPSALA Postgiro 499 40 54-7 Web: http://www.ibg.uu.se/~david/ SWEDEN ++++ Acceleration/gravity is electromag: see web above ++++ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 19:34:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA28904 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA28881 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip139.vvm.com (slip139.vvm.com [204.71.94.49]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01590 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:06:29 -0600 Received: by slip139.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE135.B0678300@slip139.vvm.com>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:34:01 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAE135.B0678300@slip139.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.304 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: Re: fnrg:Blown Light Bulb Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:33:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Your description of this incident reminds me of something I saw happe = once. It was with a fluorescent light instead of incandescent though. = I walked into a room and noticed a flickering flourescent tube. I like = to watch fluorescent tubes that are partially burned out because = sometimes I can see patterns to the flashes. Suddenly, this fluorescent = tube lit up brighter than any tube I've ever scene before. I had to = look awa for a second until it dimmed a bit. when I looked up, the tube = was filled with a bright orange plasma with two sine waves superimposed = on it. The sine waves were made of what looked like a white-hot plasma. = The appearence of the waves was that of a sine and -sine graphed on a = graphing calculator, except that they werent standing waves, they were = moving back and forth in the tube. It looked like the Antimatter = injector tubes from Star Trek. As suddenly as it began, it ended. The = waves collapsed and the plasma went out. The tube flickered a few more = times and then the electrode on my left caught fire inside the tube and = burned up. That is the only time I have ever seen this happen, but the = phenomenan was accompanied by the same HF noise described in the other = article. Any Coments?? Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 12 22:55:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA26542 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com (ix3.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26526 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA22506; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:52:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:52:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601130652.WAA22506@ix3.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.305 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Blown light bulb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Could the noise be an ion acoustic resonance phenomenon? Is there anyone out there familiar with this phenomenon? Dennis You wrote: > >Dear All > >sorry if this is off-topic, but I thought it might stimulate discussion. > >The light bulb (250V 50HZ AC, 60VA) in my desk lamp "blew", but failed in a very >interesting way: > >1. The filament broke producing a discharge across the gap, approx 0.2 inches. >2. The filament was still glowing, and remained almost too bright to look at > (I had to look with my eyelids mostly shut to distinguish the arc) >3. The bulb was (relatively) cool >4. This was accompanied by a high frequency (like almost ultrasonic) sound > >I sat and watched this for a good five minutes and then cut the power. Of >course nothing happened on turning the power back on. > >Has anybody ever seen anything like this? Can anyone explain why the discharge >was sustained even though the voltage passes through zero 50 times a second? >Why the HF noise? > >Thanks for your thoughts > >Chris > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 02:48:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA20122 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA20112 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from t34.dialup.peg.apc.org (t34.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.162]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id VAA24970 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:47:36 +1000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:47:36 +1000 Message-Id: <199601131147.VAA24970@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.306 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry-lines, earthradiation Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >The Earth is said by some to be covered with a network of lines consisting >of weak radiation affecting the neural system of mammals. The radiation is >believed to be in the range of 2 MHz to 2 GHz. The Curry-lines are >oriented northeast-southwest and northwest-southeast and the distance >between these lines are 4 meters. The Hartmann-lines are oriented >north-south and east-west and the distance between them are 1.5 meters. > David...are these the same as the "ley Lines"? We keep reading about these in our research on pendulums (dowsing). As an aside.... as part of our general Remote Viewing and psychokinetic research we have come up with a very original method (world first instructional protocol??) of obtaining pendulum style YES/NO intuitive answers *without using any dowsing device at all* .We've called it the "mental Pendulum". Basically we have found a way to "trigger" a muscular YES/NO response by causing a muscle (such as thumb, eyebrow, toe, etc) to twitch in response to a queation. Once this has been learnt the answer can be transferred to the mind so that a YES/NO "surge" appears almost instantly in the mind.(I use this while playing slot machines - the results have been spectacular) I've been successfully doing this for nearly 2 years and use it constantly for business style backup decisions. It has become part ans parcel of our Remote Viewing procedure and has proven particularly useful in analysing dreams "on the spot" as it can be used while lying down instead of the usual wide-awake sitting position. The whole thing is easy to learn and seems to be one possible way of intentionally bringing on the 6th sense of "Intuition". We've just about completed an instructional course on this but have an existing 4 page report which might interest members of Bill's list. If enough people express interest (and providing it's ok with Bill) I can incorporate this short report into the body of an email rather than send it separately as I did that time-consuming Remote Viewing report. All I'd ask is that it be kept confidential until our product hits the market....it is going to cause some sort of "storm" in the dowsing world. Any interest from anyone?? Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 02:52:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA20416 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA20410 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from t34.dialup.peg.apc.org (t34.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.162]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id VAA25841 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:51:29 +1000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:51:29 +1000 Message-Id: <199601131151.VAA25841@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.307 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Blown light bulb Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Could the noise be an ion acoustic resonance phenomenon? Is there anyone out there >familiar with this phenomenon? > In my days as an electronic designer this used to happen periodically with valve filaments. We called it "singing". The filament had broken and was oscillating in the audio range. The 2 ends of the filament had enough momentary contact to keep the current flowing suficiently to light the filament. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 03:30:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA22860 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 03:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA22855 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 03:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-17.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-17.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.17]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA28820 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:28:28 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601131128.WAA28820@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.308 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:30:38 +0900 Subject: Re: fnrg: Blown light bulb Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 12 Jan 96 at 22:08, Alaric B. Williams wrote: > HF noise? Beats me! Always wondered why lightbulbs go 'fring' sometimes when on > their last legs. Some kind of harmonic of the 50Hz? The coil starts to really > get pulled about by inductive-electromagnetic forces, and resonates? Dunno. As to the 'fring', I always thought that this happened when bulbs with an imperfect seal, had finally leaked enough air to cause the filament to oxidize and explode when turned on. The shock wave of the exploding filament hitting the glass bulb causes the 'fring' which is the natural resonant frequency of the bulb itself. You can tell this by tapping a bulb lightly with a hard object. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 05:00:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA27228 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 04:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hugin.oden.se (root@hugin.oden.se [193.45.240.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA27221 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 04:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup25-hugin.oden.se by hugin.oden.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0tb5Y0-000BCVC; Sat, 13 Jan 96 13:59 MET Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 13:59 MET X-Sender: connyo@hugin.oden.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.309 From: connyo@oden.se (Conny Ohstrom) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry-lines, earthradiation Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >David...are these the same as the "ley Lines"? We keep reading about these >in our research on pendulums (dowsing). LEY-lines are just another discoverer, just Curry and Hartmann. Since everything in the nature sends out signals there should be alot to discover... >Any interest from anyone?? YES! >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 06:39:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA04492 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 06:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA04474 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 06:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA00811 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 08:29:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA08936; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 08:39:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 08:39:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601131439.IAA08936@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.310 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Blown light bulb Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>Could the noise be an ion acoustic resonance phenomenon? Is there anyone >out there >>familiar with this phenomenon? >> > >In my days as an electronic designer this used to happen periodically with >valve filaments. We called it "singing". The filament had broken and was >oscillating in the audio range. The 2 ends of the filament had enough >momentary contact to keep the current flowing suficiently to light the filament. > >Jim The whole thing sounds very familiar to the old carbon arc. When I was a youngster, I would cut open the old style "D" batteries and remove the carbon rod inside. I'd then file 2 of them down to a point and mount them in stands with the points touching, and wire them up to the 110 V AC in series with an iron or toaster. The points would get red hot. Then by separating them a small distance, I'd get an intense carbon arc which hissed. This is the "little brother" of the carbon-arc lamps. Probably the bulb is doing the same thing. The sound could be conducted down the stem into the bulb base and the bulb support which could further enhance the frequency range. These arcs are naturally very RF-noisy. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 10:48:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA02994 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:48:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA02961 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA29967 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:55:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:55:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199601131855.NAA29967@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.311 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: T&M Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi: Thanx Michael Mandeville , good suggestion. How about this? Data Logging & Computer Controlling Equiptment Common Interfaces GPIB RS2323 Parallel Control Applications Data Storage Software Tools An HTML version would be fine. As no one else has elected to perform this task, you're it. Sounds like you have some experience here... Best hold off untill next week sometime, when we can post a completed outline. Keep suggestions coming! K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 13:23:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA23680 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA23666 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA15988; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:21:20 -0500 Date: 13 Jan 96 16:20:25 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.312 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Message-ID: <960113212024_76216.2421_HHB68-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jim - >All I'd ask is that it be kept confidential until our >product hits the market....it is going to cause some >sort of "storm" in the dowsing world. >Any interest from anyone?? Yes. I tried a bit of L-rod and pendulum dowsing for lost objects buried in sand a few years ago with no success. I still thing there's something to the principle of dowsing though, and I'm curious to try it again if there's something more sensitive to subtle body reactions than metal rods or pendulums. Have any luck with your method when used on buried objects? Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 13:33:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA25169 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from odo.msoe.edu (root@odo.msoe.edu [155.92.10.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA25159 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by odo.msoe.edu; id AA01659; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:33:28 -0600 Received: from WARP/SpoolDir by warp.msoe.edu (Mercury 1.21); 13 Jan 96 15:35:28 GMT+6 Received: from SpoolDir by WARP (Mercury 1.21); 13 Jan 96 15:35:16 GMT+6 X-UIDL: 834952770.313 From: "The Overfeind" Organization: Milwaukee School of Engineering To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:35:08 CST6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fnrg: Hovertec Update Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <2078B861E09@warp.msoe.edu> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: okay cool picture.... BUT #1 are there schematics? #2 are there at least some docs on it? #3 has anyone plugged this puppy in and lived? #4 where can i get one? thanks ian geiser ########################################################## #/ \# #>>>>> The Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow <<<<<# #\ /# ########################################################## Ian Geiser 1025 N Milwaukee PO Box 417 #(414)-287-4776 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 13:55:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA27885 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA27848 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from t11.dialup.peg.apc.org (t11.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.139]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id IAA21138 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 08:54:08 +1000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 08:54:08 +1000 Message-Id: <199601132254.IAA21138@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.314 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Have any luck with your method when used on buried objects? > >Thanks, > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI Will be trying in down an opal mine at Lightning Ridge in a few months. Can't see any problem about locating pockets of opal this way. If it works...I'll buy a mine lease. They cost around $20-$100,000 in general but one single decent "find" can cover this Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 16:28:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA19617 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19583 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip118.vvm.com (slip118.vvm.com [204.71.94.28]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA26333 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:56:36 -0600 Received: by slip118.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE1E4.486B61E0@slip118.vvm.com>; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:23:48 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAE1E4.486B61E0@slip118.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.316 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Message Headings Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:23:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I posted the original message named Hovertec Update, but I didn't post a = picture in it. Did the headers somehow get confused? I also have not = received the message that the others are referring to. It appeares to = have contained a picture of some sort of device. If someone could send = it to me, I'd like to know what everyone's talking about. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 16:40:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA21703 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21689 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:39:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601140039.QAA21689@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:02:28 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.317 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Henershot generator Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 03:35 PM 1/13/96 CST6, you wrote: >okay cool picture.... > >BUT > >#1 are there schematics? There are plans out there. Mark Hendershot came across some materials his had has, and says the top winding should be 12 turns instead of 24. >#2 are there at least some docs on it? He has a book out, of sorts. >#3 has anyone plugged this puppy in and lived? The one who built that one says it ran once while he was there, not very bright. >#4 where can i get one? Ya gots ta build it partner. What's that saying, 99% frustration, 1% hope or some darn thing. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 17:21:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA27269 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27261 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA06982 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:12:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA18966; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:21:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:21:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601140121.TAA18966@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.318 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Will be trying in down an opal mine at Lightning Ridge in a few months. >Can't see any problem about locating pockets of opal this way. >If it works...I'll buy a mine lease. They cost around $20-$100,000 in >general but one single decent "find" can cover this > >Jim About 5 years ago a man came into the electronics repair shop where I work. He was looking for some telescoping portable radio antennas. He had one such antenna mounted on a very delicate turntable arm pivot. He wanted to make more. I asked what he was doing. He explained he was using it as a "dowsing rod" or "divining rod". He seemed reticent at first but when he saw I was genuinely curious and didn't think him a fool, he told me quite a bit. He is/was a farmer in the area and not very educated. He had discovered somehow years back that he had this ability to use devices like this to find things ... he said he'd developed it to find almost ANYTHING. He said he could find any person if he could tune to their "wavelength". He demonstrated ... he adjusted the length of his "antenna" and it pointed at me. I walked around him and it continued to point at me, almost as if I were a magnet. It was pretty eerie. He said he had successfully located several missing people with it, but didn't make a "business" of it as most people thought he was crazy. He said he'd been getting ridicule for many years from all directions when people found out what he was doing, and he generally kept a low profile. But he also said that every metal, every substance also has a "wavelength" he could tune to. He said he could map out deposits of gold, silver, platinum and any other element just by using his device on a map. He had attempted to get some big company interested in it and they threw him out like he was a "nut". He said he knew of several major ore deposits that hadn't even been discovered yet. He even had gone to some professors at the U of Ill. and demonstrated, asking for a scientific explanation. One bright professor pointed at all the books on his shelf and told this man "what you're asking is way outside of what is in those books .. I can't begin to tell you how you do it." I never got the man's name. He was about 50-55 years old, dressed as the average farmer. Maybe I will run into him again some day. I know I digress from the free energy topic a bit, but since we were on the subject I thought you all may enjoy the story! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 17:28:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA27995 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27985 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA07374 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:18:52 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA20183; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:28:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:28:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601140128.TAA20183@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.319 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Henershot generator Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >At 03:35 PM 1/13/96 CST6, you wrote: >>okay cool picture.... >> >>BUT >> >>#1 are there schematics? > >There are plans out there. Mark Hendershot came across some >materials his had has, and says the top winding should be 12 >turns instead of 24. There is some info in the "Manual of Free Energy Devices and Systems" by D. A. Kelly (Tesla Book Co., Chula Vista CA). It includes a schematic (pg 22) but not much detail of the device. There is a tiny, extremely poor photo also. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 19:59:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA15417 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1a.gnn.com (mail-e1a.gnn.com [204.148.101.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA15396 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-20-17.gnn.com. (www-20-17.gnn.com [205.188.20.17]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24025 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:57:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601140357.WAA24025@mail-e1a.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:57:00 X-UIDL: 834952770.320 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Hartmann & Curry lines Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Any interest from anyone? Yes, thank you! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 20:10:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA17202 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17186 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from t23.dialup.peg.apc.org (t23.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.151]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id PAA10002 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:09:47 +1000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:09:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199601140509.PAA10002@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.321 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>Will be trying in down an opal mine at Lightning Ridge in a few months. >>Can't see any problem about locating pockets of opal this way. >>If it works...I'll buy a mine lease. They cost around $20-$100,000 in >>general but one single decent "find" can cover this >> >>Jim >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > I've come across tuned pendulums before but never thought of using a telescoping "rod". Map dowsing is pretty common in the US......oil companies tend to use these people as an additional information backup. Uri geller's reportedly making a full time living these days doing something similar for oil companies. I find the whole pendulum/dowsing business fairly unscientific and it is a bit too "fringe" for me...but having said that I have no trouble accepting the natural human ability to induce intuitive answers mentally by triggering YES/NO "surges" in the mind. Some women have developed the knack of doing this automatically. This is a fairly untapped field and the results of our experiments in this direction has rather staggered all those connected with my business newsletter. Put it this way....as rather hard-nosed successful business people we are rather dumfounded at what has been uncovered since we branched ito anomalous mind effect research. Our discoveries have caused a radical change of thinking among some of our typical Aussie zero-bulldust investors. And THAT in itself is quite an extraoadinary situation! If someone had suggested 2 years ago that I would be even contemplating using "mind-surges" to locate opal in a mine...I would have given them a very strange look and assumed they'd been hanging around kangaroos to long. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 23:41:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA11659 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11642 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:40:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601140740.XAA11642@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:08:09 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.322 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Message Headings Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >If someone could send it to me, I'd like to know what everyone's talking about. > >Thanks, >Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) > > This is taken care of. G From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 13 23:43:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA12043 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA12003 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:43:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601140743.XAA12003@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:10:51 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.323 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Henershot generator Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:02 PM 1/13/96 +0800, you wrote: >materials his had has, and says the top winding should be 12 >turns instead of 24. Typo. "materials his DAD had" that is, as in drawings. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 14 02:47:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA24427 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA24415 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from t19.dialup.peg.apc.org (t19.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.147]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id VAA03781 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:46:12 +1000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:46:12 +1000 Message-Id: <199601141146.VAA03781@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.324 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann & Curry lines Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>Any interest from anyone? > > >Yes, thank you! > OK...about 4 pages below......Title MENTAL PENDULUM. If of no interest, please disregard it. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND CONCEPTS THE AMAZING MENTAL PENDULUM Copyright: AUSTRALIAN LATERAL CONCEPTS 1995 It started in a very unusual way. Ever since I was a child I had been aware of the peculiar abilities of the pendulum. My Dad used to use one. Which was very strange because Dad would never believe that Man could land on the Moon. Until it happened! In fact he had trouble accepting any form of new technology at all. But he believed in the power of the pendulum and the extraordinary power of hypnosis. I can recall on many occasions that neighbors would bring over eggs for Dad to "sex". (That means to find out whether they were "pregnant" or not). Dad used to take off his gold wedding ring and tie a piece of cotton to it. He would then let it hang from about 6 inches of cotton over the egg (which didn't seem to mind). If the ring started to swing it one direction, it was fertilized. If it swung in the other it was not. And the acuracy must have been pretty good because the neighbours kept returning year after year. This "weight on a piece of thread" is called a PENDULUM. It wasn't until recently that I learned that most major Japanese chicken hatcheries use a pendulum operator to determine the status of each egg. Apparently it saves them millions of dollars a year. And as the average Japanese businessman is very profit orientated I cannot imagine them using a "mystical" technology like this.....unless it worked. So....... how does it work? And the answer is....I do not know! And neither does anyone else! All that is known is that it is controlled by the subconscious mind. The idea being that you hold this "weight on a piece of string" between your thumb and forefinger and wait until all movement stops. You then ask, either mentally or out loud, a straightforward question that requires a Yes or No answer. The pendulum will start to circle and the direction of this circle gives you the answer. Once you establish whether clockwise or anti-clockwise is your "Yes" you have a useful device which taps directly into your subconscious. This simple little device has been around for thousands of years but it is only recently that Quantum Physics is starting to suspect how it may work. It does not matter too much what the actual pendulum is constructed of. I use a paperclip on a piece of cotton. As this is very light it has little inertia and tends to pick up rotational speed quite rapidly. A heavier pendulum takes a lot longer to accelerate and if you inadvertently let it go while it is in full swing it could "wipe out" anybody watching. There is a volume of material written about actual pendulum construction and some of it is quite elaborate, but as far as I can tell, ANY small weight on a thread will give basic answers. After all, it is basically only the subconscious mind converting knowledge into a discernible mechanical movement. Whether it works or not depends on the ability of your subconscious to "trigger" off an involuntary muscle movement. And the strange thing is almost everyone who tries it achieves positive results. Even some of the world's greatest skeptics have been astounded to find that it actually works for them! As a boy I never paid much attention to this pendulum business. I was too busy with other things, like trying to figure out how girls were constructed. During my high school years my English teacher re-introduced me to the pendulum. He was an expert at it and as I showed a keen interest he taught me how to find lost or hidden objects with this weight on a bit of string. He used some sort of fairly heavy crystal on a piece of thin threads. I've forgotten what it was, but he seemed to feel that the type of crystal was important. I had considerable success with this and used to impress my classmates no end by finding objects that they had hidden. What would happen is that I would leave the room while an object was hidden. After I had returned I would pick up a similar object - made of the same metal - and hold this in the palm of my pendulum hand as a sort of "sample". I would then instruct the pendulum to swing and point in the direction of the "lost" object. I would do this from two different angles to that I could triangulate the position of the object. I don't recall ever failing to find it! The whole business intrigued my classmates no end. However there was one engineering teacher there who told me that the whole thing was a load of garbage and I'd be better off focusing on my school work. As I grew older I realised that the world was full of these "flat earth" society members. He was actually a very good teacher but like a lot of these career people suffered from tunnel vision. Anyway I soon became bored with this whole pendulum business and forgot all about it until a couple of years ago when I picked up a woman's magazine with a picture of a pendulum on the cover and a very constructive article inside. I had actually parked my car in a no-parking spot outside a newsagency and rushed inside to buy a newspaper. As I exited something dragged me back in and I walked around the back to a magazine stand. This particular stand was right at the rear of the shop and I would not normally have looked this far back, but I did. My eyes fell on this particular woman's magazine and within 30 seconds of entering I was back at the counter buying it. I pulled the car along to a parking spot and sat there to read the article. There was definitely something about this pendulum business that "grabbed" me! So I started fiddling with it again. Which is very strange because one would hardly expect the editor of an international business-ideas newsletter to get himself involved in such a "fringe" activity. But for various reasons which become obvious later it would appear that I am being "led by the hand" down a certain path which I find quite astounding. The conventional pendulum has major limitations. To use it properly you have to be sitting upright, or close to it. And there is always a substantial time delay between asking a question and getting an answer. The pendulum has to start swinging and it may take 30 seconds or so before a definite Yes/No answer emerges. During which you have probably started thinking about something else and thereby confuse the pendulum. I figured there had to be a better way! It seemed to me that the muscle between the thumb and forefinger was responsible for the swinging of the pendulum weight. This is a subconscious movement and the operator is usually unaware of it. But anyone sitting watching can usually detect the movement. And I started to wonder if I could get a Yes/No answer directly from my subconscious without the mechanical assistant. And this is what I meant when I said right at the start of this report that it started in a very strange way. The chain-of-events that led up to the present state of knowledge are quite un-real! Here is what happened: I was lying on my bed in deep alpha one lunchtime and I started to think about this pendulum business. I was wondering how I could get a "Yes" signal directly from my subconscious. And as I had that thought .....to my total astonishment..........my left thumb muscle gave a distinct twitch. I was absolutely startled! I then asked for a "No" and got a very weak twitch in my right thumb muscle. At that point I forgot all about doing the usual count up out of alpha and sat bolt upright. I HAD BEEN GIVEN THE TECHNIQUE !!! I promptly tried it again while I was fully awake and nothing happened. It actually took 3 months of constant alpha practice before it happened again. I persevered only because I knew it was possible. After that I could bring it on when required. But.........the "signal" was very weak. That is, the "twitch" was barely noticeable and there was some time delay between asking the question and actually getting an answer. I then designed a hypnotic tape which I played every night instructing this "twitch" response to become stronger and much more rapid. After approximately 12 months I had it going reliably and found I could even use it while I was driving the car. Then I discovered by accident that I could get a rapid "Yes/No" response and also a "No/Yes". And I started to realise how incredibly useful this could be. This type of response means that there is both a Yes and a No answer. A mechanical pendulum cannot give a response like this as it would have to circle both ways simultaneously. It would probably end up so delirious with joy that it would smack you in the eye in an expression of unbridled appreciation. Any conventional pendulum operator reading this will probably be jumping up and down with excitement at this point! If so, I've got even better news!! More recently I've been able to get a "slow" yes which I have taken to mean as a "Yes...BUT." Likewise with "No". Sort of an uncertain Yes or No response. And the most amazing thing about all this is the manner in which it can be used. The most useful aspect is while I am in bed at night and I am using alpha to solve business problems. I come up with some alpha answers then "ask" the pendulum if one specific answer is correct. I ask for a straight Yes/No answer. Sometimes I am totally staggered to find that this "Mental Pendulum" response tells me none of the answers are right, even though at least one answer felt like the right one. So I keep coming up with ideas and use the pendulum to get a sense of mental direction. I have slowly evolved a "protocol" which involves asking a specific train of questions which tends to put me on the right track. This is far quicker than "guessing" questions to ask. I have been able to come up with the most extraordinary results in this way ......which have converted to cold, hard dollars and cents! Some of the ideas are not what I would have expected at all, but in retrospect they have been absolutely correct. This procedure has gone a long way to convince me that the subconscious mind has all the answers necessary for a person to achieve total success and freedom in life! The problem has always been ......how to tap the subconscious for answers. It is starting to look like this might be one workable method. But better still, I have used Silva-Mind techniques to program up specific dreams and used the pendulum to help interpret them.....THERE AND THEN! Basically what happens is that I program to have a specific dream ....Silva style........ and at the same time program to wake up immediately after it. (The subconscious can easily be programmed to do this - it will do anything you tell it........ once you have learnt the procedure). I then analyze the dream using the Mental Pendulum. This way I seem to be able to get some reasonably accurate interpretations which have proven to be remarkably handy. But more amazingly, I have found (and I found this by accident also) that when I am down in Theta and my thumb muscles are too relaxed to twitch, I can transfer the "twitch" to my eyebrows. Probably because these are closer to the brain. Furthermore, I was eventually able to transfer the "twitch" to other muscle groups such as my large toes! Which is pretty useful if you're lying down practicing alpha and a fly lands on you toe. You can "ask" for a series of "Yes" responses and even the most determined fly will get seasick and go elsewhere. Which brings me to one of the more helpful aspects of this Mental Pendulum. If I have a question which requires the answer to be "counted" out my thumb muscle will give a series of fairly rapid twitches. Professional pendulum users will immediately recognise the implications of this. When Divining for water or whatever the depth in feet or meters can be determined by the number of rapid "twitches". Likewise if you're looking for opal or some other precious stone the hidden depth in the wall can be determined quite quickly. Now at this point it has been around 18 months since I had that first quantum Mental Pendulum experience on the bed but even with the progress to date I have the feeling there is a fair way to go. One of the more interesting innovations was the development of a "checking" procedure to get a percentage accuracy reading for a specific question. I was getting unreliable answers when asking which slot machine to play and devised a self-checking method whereby I would ask the pendulum whether it would give me better than 90% accurate answers. If the answer was No I would then ask if it would give better than 80% accurate answers.....and so on. Initially with the slot machines it would not give any better than 60% accurate answers, but I found this to be better than nothing. The accuracy has improved lately but I get the impression the pendulum doesn't like these futile games! It has proven to be fairly handy in the casinos because casino management give you a funny look if you start using a conventional pendulum around the roulette wheel or slot machines. With this Mental Pendulum nobody knows what you're doing. You can stand around with your hands in your pockets asking for Yes/ No answers. Except other players give you strange looks if your trousers start twitching violently. I find the whole thing very uncanny, particularly in the way I discovered it, but I doubt whether it is an original discovery as there are "dowsers" (people who use divining rods) who work in a similar manner. This is called "deviceless" dowsing. But at least it is original with regard to the method being used to interpret dreams and solve business problems. Or win on the slot machines and Roulette! All you need on Roulette is a 5% advantage over the "house" to make money. With the Slots you only need to know which machine is likely to pay out. I normally use the Mental Pendulum after I have given the machine a couple of spins. For some reason I can get a more accurate answer this way. The usual mechanical pendulum gives a Yes/No/Maybe response, plus a couple of others if you're really proficient. This Mental Pendulum so far has produced 8 different styles of response ..... all very rapid and definite. I have trained a couple of friends to use this new method - it took several days in one case and 2 weeks in another. It involved some deep alpha suggestion (alternatively hypnosis) and some unusual muscle training exercises. But I have been able to simplify all this and have just about finalised a training method whereby virtually anybody could get it "up and running" within a week or so without hypnosis or help from anyone else. This whole Mental Pendulum procedure has improved my business and personal life out of sight. And the strange thing about it all is this: I have the feeling it is a "half-way" method to be able to bring on the 6th sense of INTUITION at will. The reason I say this is because more and more frequently lately I am getting a "full on" mental impression before I even ask the Mental Pendulum for an answer. That is .........I DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION - I JUST "KNOW" THE CORRECT ANSWER. All I have to do is THINK about asking the question! On the occasions when this happens I feel quite elated. It has become obvious that the whole procedure is leading me somewhere. The trick now is to teach other people to do it. If the procedure eventually brings on the 6th sense as a fully controllable, working human facility then this "discovery" will take on a rather important new dimension. And this is where the problem lies.....in the meantime anyway. You sort of can't just sit down and instruct your thumb to twitch in response to a mental question. There has to be a psychological trigger implanted. But I think we've just about solved this problem. It initially took me 3 months to get even a faint response but a simple new procedure should bring this down to less than a week. And once you've got it up and running .....you've basically got it for the rest of your life. It will become an automatic response when you get a problem. You don't think about using it ..... it just happens! And as you get better at it I'm sure you will find, as I am, that you don't have to ask for a Yes/No answer at all ........... you just "know" the answer! I have the definite feeling that this is the road to bringing on a fully working 6th sense facility. But ......time will tell! In the meantime, the more people I can teach to use it, the more feedback I can get. So with this in mind, I am working out a simple instructional course which should help. I'm also writing a book on it - this should be finished shortly. The instruction course will be aimed at teaching those interested how to get an initial response. All the "fine tuning" can come later. There is a lot of research to do as the whole thing is "leading-edge" but as I discover more I'll send the new info off to my INNER CIRCLE clients. It seems to me that the whole process could be the start of something quite useful to the human race, particularly in view of the fact that a lot of my thinking and energy is being directed to experiment further by some force I don't understand . I'm being "drip-fed" information from somewhere!!! If you're a bit vague about what a pendulum is, buy a book about the subject. But please be aware that there is a lot of rubbish written about pendulums. Pick a book that looks easy to read and was written recently. There is actually a pendulum kit out on the market which contains a manual and a brass pendulum. I found it excellent and it should be available thru your local bookshop. I think it cost me around $40 but it is beautifully presented and is right up to date. This whole business of "Pendulum Power" is so far removed from my everyday activity of producing a serious business-orientated lateral thinking newsletter that I sometimes wonder if I'm wasting valuable research time. However there seems to be a "compulsion" to carry on and it has become crystal clear that I am being "guided" down a certain path. Some of the concepts I have been able to generate have converted into substantial lumps of cash........soley due to using this Mental Pendulum technique. And that to me......business-wise........is the bottom line! I have no idea where all this might lead ........ it may even fizzle out. But somehow, I don't think so. Some of the results have been too spectacular to ignore and I'm still only a rank beginner. All I can really say is that it's the most useful recent talent I have learnt, along with alpha/theta techniques. They both go hand-in-hand. IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO A PORTABLE, FLEXIBLE METHOD OF RAPIDLY TAPPING THE SUBCONSCIOUS, WITHOUT MECHANICAL ASSISTANCE AND WITHOUT AWKARD SETTING-UP PROCEDURES From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 14 13:06:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA17927 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA17917 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip14.vvm.com (slip14.vvm.com [204.71.94.24]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24801 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:22:35 -0600 Received: by slip14.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE28F.829AE560@slip14.vvm.com>; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:49:30 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAE28F.829AE560@slip14.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.326 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:49:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I've been so busy with school and my comp. programming job that I = haven't had a chance to finish getting the Hovertec files ready for = distribution yet. Don't give up though, I promise I will have them = ready by the end of this week (I hope {:-] ). I've been keeping a = record of all who have requested them so I can begin sending them A. S. = A. P. Brent From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:42:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA27991 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA27986 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA18204; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:40:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:40:40 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.327 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "Steve Boak" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:58:01 +8 Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:59:17 EST > From: "Robert A. Shannon" > To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com > Cc: neotech@world.std.com > Subject: fnrg: Where's the beef? > Reply-to: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > With the growing number of claimed over unity devices floating about, one > cannot help but be confused by the contrasting claims for and against these > devices. > > I think it would be a most worthwhile effort to compile a list of these > devices, a short but technicaly detailed description of each device and > it's theory of operation (if any) as well as a running list of claims for > and against each device. I'm trying to do just that, but my time is limited, and a lot of the papers I want to put on the net are such tatty old photocopies that I have to re-type them first. Any electronic copies would be greatfully added to my list. I am deliberately trying to stay on the practical side, with articles, drawings, circuits which will be useful to the experimenter. My efforts so far are at http://www.iinet.net.net.au/~steveb Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- I don't care how old I get, as long as I don't have to grow up! Steve Boak - steveb@iinet.net.au --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:42:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA28121 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA28114 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA18285; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:42:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:42:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.328 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "William V. Adams" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:08:44 +0800 Subject: Re: FLAME ALERT!!! /WHERES THE BEEF??? > >Whoa slow down, Frank, this is a flame and flames are out of order > >on > this > >listserv. PERIOD. > > > > 1/10/96 > > Whoa! Take it easy Frank. Be prudent in your threats to enforce the > US Code on Mr. Huish. > > Perhaps you might consider conveying your thoughts to Mr. Huish by > private email. Gentlemen I have and I hope you all have better things to do than grant and assign power of recognition to this individual by taking up the time of everyone and bandwidth by responding over the listserv and not by private response. I have been on this list now for a couple of weeks and had hoped when I signed up that I would be able to lurk and find someone/s who were doing real research. And was willing to point the way with things like: What you'r working on! What you have done sofar! What you have done it with {i.e. parts peices diagrams schematics measurments and such} What your ideas are as to why it has or hasn't done what it has been claimed to do! Pointers for newbies as to where to go for SOLID facts on R/D what to try what has been tried and what not to try? If you wish to FLAME ME FOR THIS POST!!! PLEASE DO SO IN PRIVATE SO YOU DON'T WASTE Billb's bandwidth and waste the other subscribers precious time. WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT LEFT!!! I will read ALL flames off line and MAYBE/MAYBE NOT RESPOND. Thank you all for your time. Sincerely William V. Adams ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:43:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA28199 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA28192 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA18330; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:11 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.329 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:53:19 -1000 From: "Laszlo Nemes SMF(916)823-7174" Subject: Found on alt.sci.physics.new-theories It appears that the interest in "free-energy" is growing. I thought this article/advertisement might be of interest. It would be interesting to see which devices are covered in the book. (see attached article). The FE device that I find most interesting is the Tesla power box alluded to in the article about the Pierce-Arrow with the engine replaced by an 80hp AC motor. Primarily because if the article is genuine, the device produced as much as 50KW. Has anyone ever gone to the newspaper (Buffalo, I believe) and verified the article? If the car was configured and ran as described, then Tesla had gone way beyond Wardenclyffe. This thing makes over-unity appear trivial. Laszlo P.S. I might even order a "paradigm shirt" after they are "initiated" :-) ROTFL. X-VMS-News: sfov1.verifone.com alt.sci.physics.new-theories:11706 > From: "Dr. Richard Frager" > Subject:Fossilized Physicists "WAKE UP", Noisy Negativists "SHUT UP", because Dr. Brian O' Leary "SPEAKS UP" > Date: 8 Jan 1996 05:58:07 GMT > Message-ID:<4cqbpf$5mh@maureen.teleport.com> > Fossilized Physicists "WAKE UP", Noisy Negativists "SHUT UP", because > Dr. Brian O' Leary "SPEAKS UP" > > And now, Dr. Brian O' Leary: "The miracle in the void teaches us that we > can empower ourselves to clean our Earth and save the life of this > planet. We have within our grasp the power to create beautiful new > worlds. Science is telling us this now, based upon irrefutable > experimental, theoretical and personal evidence. I invite you to trust > the process and to walk with me thorough the visible in the invisible." > > Well, what is 'Miracle in the Void" about??? It is about the > coming energy revolution...Free Energy and what this means to our > planet. It is about existing devises currently and secretly being > developed and tested around the world. It is about the surprising > reaction by some newly enlightened mainstream physicists. [Like Kip > Thorne!] It is both a personal odyssey and photojournalistic look at > the State-Of-The -Art based on O' Leary's exploring the developments of > a bold new community of inventors, experimenters, and theoreticians. > Read about Rotating Magnetic Devices, Cold Fusion, and Tesla systems and > new discoveries in Solid State. > > It is a concise examination of relationship between Free Energy, > the UFO/Extraterrestrial Intelligence question, natural Ecological > Mandates and other Scientific Revelations in light of an unfolding > Consciousness Revolution. *****It describes the latest behind-the > scenes effort to make UFO secrets public.*****It tells why the Japanese > are most likely to be the first to develop and perfect Free Energy (and > leave America in the dust, again !) > > From the NM MUFON News-December 16, 1995 (Subscription info at bottom) > > The yearly IANS conference called The Forum For New Science > convened on September 13, 1995 at the Fort Collins Marriott. IANS is a > non-profit organization for professionals and non-professionals alike, > whose purpose is "to promote a new science that will help the > development of mankind in a manner that will complement and preserve the > natural order of the universe." The goal is "to unite individuals of a > New Science philosophy and initiate a paradigm shirt in science and > health care." > > One of the first speakers, a founder of IANS, was Brian O' Leary, > Ph. D. O' Leary is a former Apollo scientist-astronaut and Princeton > University Physics Department Faculty Member. > > O'Leary's talk, appropriately, focused on defining the New Science. > this includes medicine, psychology, energy, environmental sciences, > agriculture, non-physical sciences (UFOs, NDEs, OBEs, crop circles, > parapsychology, mysticism and spirituality), biology, physics > (especially quantum physics) and its connection to consciousness, other > dimensions and mind/matter interaction. In short, New Science includes > the interrelationship of the foregoing disciplines of science. > > Beyond Quantum > > The new science includes and promotes disciplines such as free > energy and phenomena not explained by Newtonian science. There is an > emerging science which goes beyond quantum physics called Zero Point > Energy, a science which makes consciousness a major factor in the > creation of matter. This zero point energy has been called sacred > science in the past, and to understand it we will have to re-examine the > role of consciousness, the concept of the "ether" and free energy. The > idea that we co-create, through our consciousness to some extent, all > matter and phenomena is something that mysticism has affirmed for > millennia. Now the new science is saying the same thing. 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This > character, the Lapis Pig, was omnipresent throughout the conference and > was an amusing and effective reminder to all of us of what the old > paradigm represents and of who we are up against. > > Miracle In the Void > > In his new book, Brian describes the process known as "grieving," > exactly like that described by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross in writing about > the stages one goes through when confronted with one's death or the > death of a loved one. It's our fear of change which forces us to > experience denial, anger, bargaining, depression and, finally, > acceptance and forgiveness. This process also ultimately includes > creativity, enlightenment, empowerment and transcendence. O' Leary > places us, as a society, in the denial stage now, and just moving into > the anger stage of the process. But completing the grieving process, > though difficult, will lead us into a new enlightened paradigm. This is > O' Leary's message which he illustrated with his own struggle. 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From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:43:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA28240 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA28235 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA18349; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:43:50 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.330 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry-lines, earthradiation Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:48:54 -0800 From: Frank T Lofaro Anyone know if Hartman lines (or crosses) have any effects (or risks), and what they may be. Or what effects, if any, Curry lines have (excluding where they cross) or if there are any interactions or effects between the 2 different kinds of lines? Are Ley lines a 3rd kind of line, or just the above 2? (that was never made really clear here yet). Any effects and/or interactions if they yet another kind of line? Are they detectable with electronic (including scalar) devices*? Any strange physical effects atributable to these lines? (maybe even some devices would work/not work near them??) * On Bill's homepage there are quite a few scalar devices described, also some on KeelyNet. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:44:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA28267 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA28259 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA18377; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:44:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:44:22 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.331 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Subject: Getting Fogal transistors Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:53:14 -0800 From: Frank T Lofaro Where, how and for how much could one get a Fogal (charge-blocking) transistor? Are they worth it? Bearden thinks so. In any event Fogal, as far as I know, did get a patent on it (thus he didn't get patent secrecy forced on him, and the device is now known and published by the USPTO), and so he or his compnay should presumably (hopefully) be selling them. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:57:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA29417 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA29408 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA20149; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:56:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:56:47 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.332 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "William V. Adams" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:08:24 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: electromagnetic induction > > Hi all, > > I just have one quick question to ask anyone out there who would > care to answer it. What factors dictate the amount of current > induced when a magnet is moved through a coil of copper wire, and > what formula can be used to determine the current induced. > Thanks, Chris. Chris at the risk of being to simplefied I'll give this a stab. 1 Maxwell = 1 magnetic field flux line 1 Weber = 1 x 10 to the 8th flux lines or Maxwells B eta = the number of flux lines per unit area of a section perpendicular to the direction of flux flow. Theta = O = the total flux of the field in Maxwells or Webers so: Beta = Theta / Area in centimeters squared t = Time To induce an e.m.f. of 1 Volt in a conductor, flux must be cut by the conductor at a rate of one hundred million (100,000,000) lines per second. or vice versa. Or conductor must be cut by or cut 1 Weber per sec. for 1 Volt to be produced. E.M.F. in Volts = O / (Weber x time) time = O / (Webers x Volts) O = Webers x time x Volts Hope this helps you out Chris??? The best source I have found for EVERYTHING about MAGNETIC Circuts is: PRACTICAL ELECTRICTY by Terrell Croft C. 1923,1933,1940 the 4th edition by McGraw Hill Book Company This book is very highly illistrated and leaves nothing to chance. ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 02:57:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA29482 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA29473 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id CAA20187; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:57:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.333 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "Rudy Kremers" Subject: RE: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Date: Mon Jan 15 16:35 NZD 1996 I have just subscribed to this group and unfortunately just caught the tail on the Hovertec thread. What information is being offered and is it in electronic or hard form? I'm interested. Rudy ---------- From: freenrg-list To: 'Free Energy Listserve' Subject: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Date: Sunday, January 14, 1996 2:49PM I've been so busy with school and my comp. programming job that I = haven't had a chance to finish getting the Hovertec files ready for = distribution yet. Don't give up though, I promise I will have them = ready by the end of this week (I hope {:-] ). I've been keeping a = record of all who have requested them so I can begin sending them A. S. = A. P. Brent From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 04:04:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA04553 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA04546 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from t48.dialup.peg.apc.org (t48.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.176]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id WAA03527 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:30:03 +1000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:30:03 +1000 Message-Id: <199601151230.WAA03527@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.334 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Results of our RVing exercise on the Reed Huish Free Energy proposal: Combined analysis of the individual team's results indicated that financially the project would be a success. However...a 4th object appeared in the minds of several viewers...this was an empty container (safe?) The caveat here is that there "might" be a financial loss in some direction either on Reed's part or the investors part but it seemed this might well be an incidental and temporary situation. The overall RVing "sensation" was that this project should be watched closely. My own personal thinking is that I would like to know a lot more about the technical details. Reed...clouding your project in secrecy considering the perceptive scientific nature of this list's members might not be the best idea mate! Whatever...Good Luck.. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 07:59:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA29846 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA29822 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p3.aa.net (s3c2p3.aa.net [204.157.220.151]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA30193 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:58:51 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601151558.HAA30193@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:58:14 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.335 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: T&M Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:55 PM 1/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi: > >Thanx Michael Mandeville , good suggestion. How about this? > >Data Logging & Computer Controlling Equiptment > Common Interfaces > GPIB > RS2323 > Parallel > Control Applications > Data Storage > Software Tools > >An HTML version would be fine. As no one else has elected to perform this >task, you're it. Sounds like you have some experience here... Best hold off >untill next week sometime, when we can post a completed outline. Keep >suggestions >coming! > >K. > > check out my webpages at url below, webbery is what I do for a living. I am in the Seattle area and erraticly orbit some of the eskimos, such as Hawkins and Beatty. We are all into www here and Beatty has a lot of archive space which I 'think' he would be willing to to use some of for this little project. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 08:37:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA06098 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA06083 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA08980; Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:35:15 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:36:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:26:51 EST Message-Id: <4F06+8,cykA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.336 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Hartman lines and dowsing. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "Anyone know if Hartman lines (or crosses) have any effects (or risks), and what they may be. Or what effects, if any, Curry lines have (excluding where they cross) or if there are any interactions or effects between the 2 different kinds of lines? Are Ley lines a 3rd kind of line, or just the above 2? (that was never made really clear here yet). Any effects and/or interactions if they yet another kind of line? Are they detectable with electronic (including scalar) devices*? Any strange physical effects atributable to these lines? (maybe even some devices would work/not work near them??)" Ley Lines may be detected with an Electrostatic Gradiometer, but I have no knowlage of Hartman lines. On the subject of health effects, those areas with specific anomalies in the electrostatic and electromagnetic fields as detected by a Gradiometer appear to be linked to the occurance of adverse health effects associated with electromagnetic technology. The gradiometer can be used for a form of "dowsing" as well, but I would very much like to hear the opinions of a highly skilled dowser who had also used a gradiometer. The plans for the gradiometer are available from Bills web page. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 09:24:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA15237 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA15203 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA10135; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:22:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:22:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199601151722.JAA10135@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.337 From: atech@ix.netcom.com (dennis lee ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There's an interesting paper on Bill's Weird Science page by Bruce Perrault called coldfiss.txt. It is a Moray type device. The Author claims that the device works and supplies schematics. This project seems worthy of being looked into for those with the inclination. Dennis Lee You wrote: >Reed...clouding your project in secrecy considering the perceptive >scientific nature of this list's members might not be the best idea mate! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 09:51:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA20201 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20190 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p4.aa.net (s3c2p4.aa.net [204.157.220.152]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02463 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:50:58 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601151750.JAA02463@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:50:22 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.338 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:21 PM 1/13/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >>Will be trying in down an opal mine at Lightning Ridge in a few months. >>Can't see any problem about locating pockets of opal this way. >>If it works...I'll buy a mine lease. They cost around $20-$100,000 in >>general but one single decent "find" can cover this >> >>Jim > >About 5 years ago a man came into the electronics repair shop where I >work. He was looking for some telescoping portable radio antennas. He had >one such antenna mounted on a very delicate turntable arm pivot. He >wanted to make more. > >I asked what he was doing. He explained he was using it as a "dowsing >rod" or "divining rod". He seemed reticent at first but when he saw I was >genuinely curious and didn't think him a fool, he told me quite a bit. > >I never got the man's name. He was about 50-55 years old, dressed as the >average farmer. Maybe I will run into him again some day. > >I know I digress from the free energy topic a bit, but since we were on >the subject I thought you all may enjoy the story! > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > I also hope you run into him, he is a great treasure in and of himself. Such individuals have occassionally shown up in my life as well so I have no a priori to disbelieve your story. This story shows quite well the disconjunct of reality systems between 'educated' scientists and 'superstitious' laypeople. Not being aware of all of the theoretical and philosophical 'reasons' why he should consider himself nuts, the farmer was able to open up a line of perception which is quite functional if explored with discipline. Frankly, the man is plainly psychic, clairsentient, the same variant which I have to a certain degree, which inputs data through the sensory/motor complex of the nervous system, as opposed to, say hearing or seeing (clairaudiance and clairvoyance). Many people think this is non-scientific and non-technical stuff because it is too 'wispy' to grab ahold of. Actually, it is pretty simple, and it has been a part of my reality as just simple reality since I was a little kid and I experienced my mother's psychic abilities, including "dreaming" of her father's unexpected death at the moment of his death thousands of miles away. Since we were in the bush, a long way from phonelines at the time, it would seem a little strange to most folks that we packed up and broke camp on the strength of that dream, but we did, and when we found a ranger station, with a phone, the situation was immediately confirmed. So in my reality system, people who disbelieve in psychic phenomemon are the wacky ones with a badly distorted grasp of what is happening to themselves as well as other people and to the entire history of humanity. The farmer has the same outlook on life. Ley-lines, crystals, mountains, living organisms, and many other constructs of nature exhibit 'vibrations, energy fields of 'n' dimension, which are other than elementary electromagnetic or gravitic, which are quite plainly observable by clairsentient individuals and generally they have much the same kinds of experience with these energies, which gives it a certain sort of objectivity. I think the technological impasse lies in the extremely short wavelength of the energy. I think that you have to get down to molecular scales to capture energy transfer in dimension 'n'. I think that the energy transfer device in living organisms is in the DNA crytal. Once you can 'ping' the dna, you can let loose energy avalanches, such as photosynthesis, which greatly amplify the causal effects of the energy. Your farmer's hands feel the energy via cellular excitation and he has in a sense learned to walk by letting those feelings provide part of a feedback loop to the motor complex which provides the nervous energy in the muscles to sublty move the dowsing rod. Like moving the muscle groups for walking, he is not aware of doing anything except deciding to walk, or in this case, deciding that the pointer should point to what he is looking for. So the only instrumentation which can be used for experimentation is the nervous system or the living cell. Incidentally, this information, except for the dna concept and terms, was told to us several thousand years ago by the shamans and orginators of all of the genesis systems in every race and every culture, which also gives a certain objectivity to the phenomenon. Hell, this stuff was probably communicable several hundred thousand years ago. Early man was clairsentient and that is the origin of "magic" as a discipline. Among adult modern men, clairsentience is a subtle subliminal sense which is easily recognized by about 30% of the males, about 60% of females. When I say 'easy', I mean with two or three minutes of guided, focused perceptual awareness. About 80% of females can perceive if they excercise the ability, and about 60% of the males. When I say 'perceive', I mean 'a little bit'. Perceiving a lot takes practice over many years. The remaining portions of the population have major mental/emotional blocks against the perception. Among little children, before the age of tv induced peer group cynicism, you can get 90% response rates. These figures are my rough and ready acculumated lifetime experience with people. Enuf for now. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 10:40:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA29263 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29247 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.43 (s43.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.43]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA25938 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:39:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:39:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199601151839.LAA25938@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.339 From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601151230.WAA03527@peg.apc.org> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) wrote: > >Results of our RVing exercise on the Reed Huish Free Energy proposal: > >Combined analysis of the individual team's results indicated that >financially the project would be a success. I could have told you of our success without your experiment. While your results were interested, as I told you in a private post, I don't believe in accuracy of what you are doing. I don't want to be hard, but if its so accurate, make yourself millions on the stock market. >The overall RVing "sensation" was that this project should be watched closely. >My own personal thinking is that I would like to know a lot more about the >technical details. Wrong, wrong wrong. No details will be released. You may buy a home generator from us when we begin production, but otherwise nothing is coming from us. >Reed...clouding your project in secrecy considering the perceptive >scientific nature of this list's members might not be the best idea mate! There are only a few people on this list service which actually realize what is happening in this emerging field. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what happened. Most the readers of this board are in the later two categories. There are many people commercializing their devices. You will begin seeing products in the next 6-18 months. As far as my technology goes, it's my ball, and my bat, and I'll play the game my way. - Reed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 11:46:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA11271 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10890 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ak03227; 15 Jan 96 19:01 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa06569; 15 Jan 96 18:58 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:14:07 X-UIDL: 834952770.340 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1431@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: magnetic field lines X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 67 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Monday 15, January 1996 you wrote : > > 1 Maxwell = 1 magnetic field flux line > 1 Weber = 1 x 10 to the 8th flux lines or Maxwells > B eta = the number of flux lines per unit area of a section > perpendicular to the direction of flux flow. > Theta = O = the total flux of the field in Maxwells or Webers > so: > Beta = Theta / Area in centimeters squared > t = Time Remember I said this was bull? Well, here's my reference: In article <821064172.3852@abwillms.demon.co.uk>, Alaric B. Williams wrote: >mawyatt@ix.netcom.com(Michael A. Wyatt ) wrote: >>The "mirror" happens because any >>wafer's verticle movement cuts lines of magnet flux, which induces a >>current in the wafer superconductor (zero electrical resistance), which >>produces an equal but opposite magnetic field. > >Are lines of magnetic flux real, or just useful imagined lines normal >to equipotential lines? Everyone talks of 'cutting the lines' and >'finding the lines' but is that really true? If so, why does the field >do this? Could a small object slip /between/ the lines and avoid the >field? I find that hard to believe, but will you please settle my >eternal torment of unknowing? > >Regards, > > >ABW > You are correct. The magnetic field does not consist of discrete lines. It's continuous, so tiny objects cannot sneak through between them. The idea of "lines" comes from a number of sources, mainly mathematical, I think: I'll be careless here and guess that it has something to do with "line integration". However, the line idea is useful in some respects. If you stick a compass near a magnet, the needle will point in the direction of the magnetic field, and if the compass is moved in the direction in which the needle points, it'll define a path from one pole of the magnet to the other. That's a line of force. However, the idea has been terribly misused. My favorite is the definition of a line in this way: if the magnetic flux through a wire loop is increased or decreased at a rate of one line per second, a voltage of one volt will be seen across the ends of the wire. Yeek. Mark Kinsler See! See! ABW -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 13:56:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA00319 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA00137 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ac03390; 15 Jan 96 19:00 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa06545; 15 Jan 96 18:58 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:00:46 X-UIDL: 834952770.341 From: "Alaric B. Williams" Message-Id: <1429@abwillms.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d Lines: 41 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In your message dated Monday 15, January 1996 you wrote : > 1 Maxwell = 1 magnetic field flux line > 1 Weber = 1 x 10 to the 8th flux lines or Maxwells > B eta = the number of flux lines per unit area of a section > perpendicular to the direction of flux flow. > Theta = O = the total flux of the field in Maxwells or Webers > so: > Beta = Theta / Area in centimeters squared > t = Time Oh, no! There's no such thing as a magnetic field flux line! A magnetic field is continuous, not arranged into lines of any type. If you heap iron filings in the field, then any that get together will concentrate the CONTINUOUS field, and attract more, forming what appear to be lines. But that's just like planets forming from interstellar dust; it doesn't mean gravity comes in blobs, likewise lines of iron filings do not mean magnetism comes in lines. > To induce an e.m.f. of 1 Volt in a conductor, flux must be cut by > the conductor at a rate of one hundred million (100,000,000) lines > per second. or vice versa. > Or conductor must be cut by or cut 1 Weber per sec. for 1 Volt to > be produced. Noooooooooo! Sob, sob, sob.... I'm a broken man.... :'-( ABW -- Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In a world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun Alaric B. Williams - alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk Alaric the Antigrav - freenrg@abwillms.demon.co.uk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 14:45:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA10181 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10138 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from t27.dialup.peg.apc.org (t27.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.155]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id JAA09229 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:43:47 +1000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:43:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199601152343.JAA09229@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.342 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) wrote: >> >>Results of our RVing exercise on the Reed Huish Free Energy proposal: >> >>Combined analysis of the individual team's results indicated that >>financially the project would be a success. > >I could have told you of our success without your experiment. While your >results were interested, as I told you in a private post, I don't >believe in accuracy of what you are doing. I don't want to be hard, but >if its so accurate, make yourself millions on the stock market. Reed..stock-markets aren't my thing. But as I mentioned...slot machines are. Since February 21st 1995 I have won precisely 19 jackpots with a total value of $108,000. Prior to getting involved in Remote Viewing I'd never won a single jackpot (or much else). The Wall St Journal ran an article about RVing and stock-market predictions some years ago. Apparently RVing silver commodities 3 days ahead provided the seed capital for, what is today, America's largest commercial RV company (owned and staffed by US ex-military personal, including the former head of US Army Military Intelligence) > >>The overall RVing "sensation" was that this project should be watched closely. >>My own personal thinking is that I would like to know a lot more about the >>technical details. > >Wrong, wrong wrong. No details will be released. You may buy a home generator >from us when we begin production, but otherwise nothing is coming from us. Strange...strange...strange....think I'll set the lads to RVing these details.... should be interesting as two of our team are physicists from the local university..... > >>Reed...clouding your project in secrecy considering the perceptive >>scientific nature of this list's members might not be the best idea mate! > >There are only a few people on this list service which actually realize what is >happening in this emerging field. There are three kinds of people in the world: >those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that >wonder what happened. Most the readers of this board are in the later two >categories. There are many people commercializing their devices. You will begin >seeing products in the next 6-18 months. > >As far as my technology goes, it's my ball, and my bat, and I'll play the game >my way. > >- Reed > Well.... as I said earlier "good luck mate"... but that "open safe object" makes me nervous...think I'll work on it some more .....in between winning more jackpots Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 18:17:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA18135 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18102 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA29482 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:23:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:23:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199601160223.VAA29482@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.344 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: re>Reed Huish Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A recent post from Jim... >As far as my technology goes, it's my ball, and my bat, and I'll play the game >my way. > >- Reed > Well.... as I said earlier "good luck mate"... but that "open safe object" makes me nervous...think I'll work on it some more .....in between winning more jackpots -Jim A very simple interpretation: an empty container means there's nothing's there... K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 18:19:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA18718 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18662 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA29990 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:25:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:25:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199601160225.VAA29990@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.345 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: fnrg: Nice Site. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Steve posts... My efforts so far are at http://www.iinet.net.net.au/~steveb It should be www.iinet.net.au/~steveb An excellent effort Steve, I suggest everyone here pay this site a visit. K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 20:52:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA15594 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA15559 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA19441 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:52:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:52:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199601160452.FAA19441@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.346 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >> >>Will be trying in down an opal mine at Lightning Ridge in a few months. >>Can't see any problem about locating pockets of opal this way. >>If it works...I'll buy a mine lease. They cost around $20-$100,000 in >>general but one single decent "find" can cover this >> >>Jim > >About 5 years ago a man came into the electronics repair shop where I=20 >work. He was looking for some telescoping portable radio antennas. He had= =20 >one such antenna mounted on a very delicate turntable arm pivot. He=20 >wanted to make more. > >I asked what he was doing. He explained he was using it as a "dowsing=20 >rod" or "divining rod". He seemed reticent at first but when he saw I was= =20 >genuinely curious and didn't think him a fool, he told me quite a bit. > >He is/was a farmer in the area and not very educated. He had discovered=20 >somehow years back that he had this ability to use devices like this to=20 >find things ... he said he'd developed it to find almost ANYTHING. He=20 >said he could find any person if he could tune to their "wavelength". He=20 >demonstrated ... he adjusted the length of his "antenna" and it pointed=20 >at me. I walked around him and it continued to point at me, almost as if=20 >I were a magnet. It was pretty eerie. > >He said he had successfully located several missing people with it, but=20 >didn't make a "business" of it as most people thought he was crazy. He=20 >said he'd been getting ridicule for many years from all directions when=20 >people found out what he was doing, and he generally kept a low profile.=20 >But he also said that every metal, every substance also has a "wavelength"= =20 >he could tune to. He said he could map out deposits of gold, silver,=20 >platinum and any other element just by using his device on a map. He had=20 >attempted to get some big company interested in it and they threw him out= =20 >like he was a "nut". He said he knew of several major ore deposits that=20 >hadn't even been discovered yet. > >He even had gone to some professors at the U of Ill. and demonstrated,=20 >asking for a scientific explanation. One bright professor pointed at all=20 >the books on his shelf and told this man "what you're asking is way=20 >outside of what is in those books .. I can't begin to tell you how you do= =20 >it." > >I never got the man's name. He was about 50-55 years old, dressed as the=20 >average farmer. Maybe I will run into him again some day. > >I know I digress from the free energy topic a bit, but since we were on=20 >the subject I thought you all may enjoy the story! > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > Hi Zack, why don=B4t you try to loacte this guy again and make some experiments with= him=20 and put the results up here on the net ? Please let me know, if you are still in contact with this guy. Maybe he can describe you , how he is doing it, so that a device could be contrsucted, that does this electronically ! regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 21:31:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA06102 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA05990 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from t27.dialup.peg.apc.org (t27.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.155]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id JAA04124 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:20:15 +1000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:20:15 +1000 Message-Id: <199601152320.JAA04124@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.347 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 07:21 PM 1/13/96 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >>> >>>Will be trying in down an opal mine at Lightning Ridge in a few months. >>>Can't see any problem about locating pockets of opal this way. >>>If it works...I'll buy a mine lease. They cost around $20-$100,000 in >>>general but one single decent "find" can cover this >>> >>>Jim >> >>About 5 years ago a man came into the electronics repair shop where I >>work. He was looking for some telescoping portable radio antennas. He had >>one such antenna mounted on a very delicate turntable arm pivot. He >>wanted to make more. >> >>I asked what he was doing. He explained he was using it as a "dowsing >>rod" or "divining rod". He seemed reticent at first but when he saw I was >>genuinely curious and didn't think him a fool, he told me quite a bit. >> > >> >>Zack >>w9sz@prairienet.org >> > >I also hope you run into him, he is a great treasure in and of himself. >Such individuals have occassionally shown up in my life as well so I have no >a priori to disbelieve your story. This story shows quite well the >disconjunct of reality systems between 'educated' scientists and >'superstitious' laypeople. Not being aware of all of the theoretical and >philosophical 'reasons' why he should consider himself nuts, the farmer was >able to open up a line of perception which is quite functional if explored >with discipline. Frankly, the man is plainly psychic, clairsentient, the >same variant which I have to a certain degree, which inputs data through the >sensory/motor complex of the nervous system, as opposed to, say hearing or >seeing (clairaudiance and clairvoyance). > >>Ley-lines, crystals, mountains, living organisms, and many other constructs >of nature exhibit 'vibrations, energy fields of 'n' dimension, which are >other than elementary electromagnetic or gravitic, which are quite plainly >observable by clairsentient individuals and generally they have much the >same kinds of experience with these energies, which gives it a certain sort >of objectivity. I think the technological impasse lies in the extremely >short wavelength of the energy. I think that you have to get down to >molecular scales to capture energy transfer in dimension 'n'. I think that >the energy transfer device in living organisms is in the DNA crytal. Once >you can 'ping' the dna, you can let loose energy avalanches, such as >photosynthesis, which greatly amplify the causal effects of the energy. >Enuf for now. > >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Having an electronics background, I've often wondered about the coiled shape of the double helix DNA spirals. Seems to me they might act as a resonant tuned circuit in the micro wavelengths. Which might well explain Backsters experiment whereby a human cell reacted , at a distance, to the emotions of its donor body. It may be that human cells do not need to be chemically linked to each other....as they may be linked already as "tuned circuits". If you excite (ping) a tuned circuit then another identically tuned circuit in the vicinity reacts in empathy. No chemical connection needed. I've developed the impression over years of mind-power research that human cells constantly communicate with each other and Backster has proven that they do not even need to be inside the host body to achieve this. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 06:43:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA20662 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA20566 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA00541 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:40:03 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA821813568 Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:32:48 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:32:48 X-UIDL: 834952770.350 From: "reim" Encoding: 1015 Text Message-Id: <9600168218.AA821813568@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: magnetic field lines Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TO answer the question about the voltage induced in a coil one must use Faraday's law which is E=N(d@/dt) in volts where d@ is in webers and dt is in time. Sorry about the d@ but I don't know how to create the correct symbol with this editor. The direction of the induced voltage is in accordance with Lenz's law. There are many formulas regarding magnetic induction and a course in this may be helpful. some related formulas E=N(d@/dt) = N(d@/di)(di/dt) = L(di/dt) where L = N(d@/di) in henrys B = uH also F=NI which is also called MMF d@ is the change in flux B is the flux density H is the magnetizing force dt is the change in time u is the permeability of the magnetic material. for free space u = 3.19 X 10-3 power there are other equations but this editor can't do it justice. bob reim reim@advantor.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 15 23:04:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA06701 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06677 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:04:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601160704.XAA06677@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:30:42 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.349 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: magnetic field lines Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>Are lines of magnetic flux real, or just useful imagined lines normal Postulation here. If a magnetic field is ether forced into a spin, strung out in spinning lines, then it would indeed have to be lines, because, like two gears both rotating clockwise, for example, they don't mesh, and have to separate to be able to continue to spin. That science does not yet know what a magnetic field is made up of, ranks to me as one of the most enticing attractors to this type of arena, because, once an understanding of what it is (instead of simply what its effects are) is nailed down, it could act like a portal into a whole new realm of developments, corrections of false concepts, and so on, I think. Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 12:40:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA18671 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18333 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p7.aa.net (s1c0p7.aa.net [204.157.220.171]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10770 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:13:58 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601162013.MAA10770@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:13:37 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.351 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A > >Having an electronics background, I've often wondered about the coiled shape >of the double helix DNA spirals. Seems to me they might act as a resonant >tuned circuit in the micro wavelengths. Which might well explain Backsters >experiment whereby a human cell reacted , at a distance, to the emotions of >its donor body. It may be that human cells do not need to be chemically >linked to each other....as they may be linked already as "tuned circuits". > >If you excite (ping) a tuned circuit then another identically tuned circuit >in the vicinity reacts in empathy. No chemical connection needed. >I've developed the impression over years of mind-power research that human >cells constantly communicate with each other and Backster has proven that >they do not even need to be inside the host body to achieve this. > >Jim > > I firmly think that you are tuning into the phenomenon with the right constructs. I am in complete agreement. I don't understand why Backster's work has not been taken up with a great deal of enthusiam by a lot more of the institutionally based researchers, as it provides the basis for a clearly objective study in this area. I suppose it may be that the payoff is not clear. The occasisonal fleeting looks at human anatomy that I have afforded myself keeps showing great hints of features of the nervous system far beyond the chemical/mechanical view of how the body supposedly works. I am fairly certain in my own experience that many hormones are electrical products, not chemical...especially everything related to the adrenal complex, yet the books still talk about our adeneline dumps through the metaphor of chemical messengers and chemical reactions. I personally believe that it is primarily electrical at the same speed as neuronal response and should be understood in that sense, which immediately opens the inquiry into the arena of mass cellular entrainment straight off of neuronal projection, actual connection, via nerves, not necessarily necessary, since we have so much data showing effects without actual connection. I think you can see where this all goes... Anyway, it is fun to chat with you. And I have an intriguing query. Have you folks down under tried any remote viewing trials on Hoaglunds stuff, such as the Face on Mars, or the constructs he claims to have found on the Moon? Myself, I have never been very convinced by the Face On Mars, I remain convinced that it could just be a blob and why worry about it. But some of his group's findings on the Moon are incredibly interesting and very difficult to simply walk away from. The range findings especially on some of the crators showing electromagnmetically a convex domed surface as opposed to the visual appearance of a concave crator, very powerful evidence of phenomenon which needs a lot better lookseeat because of the intrinsic implications. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 14:22:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA07014 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA06941 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from t22.dialup.peg.apc.org (t22.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.150]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id JAA21870 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:19:01 +1000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:19:01 +1000 Message-Id: <199601162319.JAA21870@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.352 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>If you excite (ping) a tuned circuit then another identically tuned circuit >>in the vicinity reacts in empathy. No chemical connection needed. >>I've developed the impression over years of mind-power research that human >>cells constantly communicate with each other and Backster has proven that >>they do not even need to be inside the host body to achieve this. >> >>Jim >> > >I firmly think that you are tuning into the phenomenon with the right >constructs. I am in complete agreement. I don't understand why Backster's >work has not been taken up with a great deal of enthusiam by a lot more of >the institutionally based researchers, as it provides the basis for a >clearly objective study in this area. I suppose it may be that the payoff >is not clear. > >Anyway, it is fun to chat with you. And I have an intriguing query. Have >you folks down under tried any remote viewing trials on Hoaglunds stuff, >such as the Face on Mars, or the constructs he claims to have found on the >Moon? Myself, I have never been very convinced by the Face On Mars, I >remain convinced that it could just be a blob and why worry about it. But >some of his group's findings on the Moon are incredibly interesting and >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm > Could be that it times of a sudden emergency ...when "the adrenalin flows"..... that the DNA "tuned circuits" in the brain oscillate violently and "ping" all body cell DNA helix's into empathetic resonant action. This would be close to instantaneous. The face on Mars?? Read MIND TREK by Joseph McGoneagle...he RVd Mars backwards in time......extroardinary results. And he was apparently the #1 RVer for the US Military program at Stanford research at the time. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 14:22:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA07029 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA06952 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA18332; Tue, 16 Jan 96 17:06:14 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 16 Jan 96 17:09:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 16:42:15 EST Message-Id: <4F06+ri,zkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.353 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>I've developed the impression over years of mind-power research that human >>cells constantly communicate with each other and Backster has proven that >>they do not even need to be inside the host body to achieve this. >> >>Jim >> >> > >I firmly think that you are tuning into the phenomenon with the right >constructs. I am in complete agreement. I don't understand why Backster's >work has not been taken up with a great deal of enthusiam by a lot more of >the institutionally based researchers, as it provides the basis for a >clearly objective study in this area. I suppose it may be that the payoff >is not clear. > >The occasisonal fleeting looks at human anatomy that I have afforded myself >keeps showing great hints of features of the nervous system far beyond the >chemical/mechanical view of how the body supposedly works. I am fairly >certain in my own experience that many hormones are electrical products, not >chemical...especially everything related to the adrenal complex, yet the >books still talk about our adeneline dumps through the metaphor of chemical >messengers and chemical reactions. I personally believe that it is >primarily electrical at the same speed as neuronal response and should be >understood in that sense, which immediately opens the inquiry into the arena >of mass cellular entrainment straight off of neuronal projection, actual >connection, via nerves, not necessarily necessary, since we have so much >data showing effects without actual connection. I think you can see where >this all goes... I agree completely. Bioelectric phenomena in practice are quite different from what it is conventionally thought to be. The same may be said for the process of neural entrainment as well. It's interesting to note that DNA's helix has a phi based ratio of length to width for a single 360 degree segment. The onset of phi based ratios in EEG and EKG readings, and in simultanouse readings made in plants near the human subject while in specific states of consciousness are quite suggestive. When we also add that the Schuman resonances of the Earth have phi based ratios as well only adds more fuel to the fire. The process of primary perception may be giving up it's secrets at last. In light of this, I would like to suggest a small experiment for the RV'ers down there in the outback. (or where ever they may be) I think it is possible to localy alter the environment in such a way that RV'ing would not operate "correctly". I propose a sort of anti-stealth stealth technology that will prevent accurate RV'ing. In order to construct such a test, I would like to know what sort of test target objects might be used, what location information should be provided, and any other similar information. I can prepare a test location, and whatever equipment I might use to prevent the RV'ers from gethering acurate data on the test objects, as well as the test objects. I could also prepare a list of test objects, listed by number, and have that information held by a third party, who could then corrolate the accuracy of the RV'ers with and without the preventitive measures in place. Any thoughts on such an experiment? I've got lots of ideas I'd like to try on this subject, and am fairly confident that RV'ing can be effected by technological means. Maybe it can even be detected as well. Any takers? (Now no fair peeking before I'm ready!) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 15:21:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA18458 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA18414 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:19:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from t22.dialup.peg.apc.org (t21.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.149]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id KAA03657 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:17:52 +1000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:17:52 +1000 Message-Id: <199601170017.KAA03657@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.354 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >In light of this, I would like to suggest a small experiment for the RV'ers >down there in the outback. (or where ever they may be) > >I think it is possible to localy alter the environment in such a way that >RV'ing would not operate "correctly". I propose a sort of anti-stealth >stealth technology that will prevent accurate RV'ing. > >In order to construct such a test, I would like to know what sort of test >target objects might be used, what location information should be provided, >and any other similar information. > >I can prepare a test location, and whatever equipment I might use to >prevent the RV'ers from gethering acurate data on the test objects, as well >as the test objects. I could also prepare a list of test objects, listed >by number, and have that information held by a third party, who could then >corrolate the accuracy of the RV'ers with and without the preventitive >measures in place. > >Any thoughts on such an experiment? I've got lots of ideas I'd like to try >on this subject, and am fairly confident that RV'ing can be effected by >technological means. > >Maybe it can even be detected as well. Any takers? > >(Now no fair peeking before I'm ready!) > > I don't personally think my RV teams would be interested in any experiment which intentionally set out to produce negative results. Positive feedback is a "must' for RVers. I seem to recall that it has been found that RVing can't be blocked. I believe SRI International came to this conclusion. However an interesting bit of knowledge has emerged per courtesy of the CIA release.....RVing appears to cause an energy transfer. That is...it is a two way street. The RVer *can* affect the target. To what extent is unclear. There are more CIA releases due to be declassified...and what bugs me is that this knowledge is 20-25 years old.....I would personally like to know EXACTLY what the state of the art is..... Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 17:18:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA10983 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA10946 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p3.aa.net (s1c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.167]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28208 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:15:31 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601170115.RAA28208@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 05:17:09 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.355 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:42 PM 1/16/96 EST, you wrote: > >I agree completely. Bioelectric phenomena in practice are quite different >from what it is conventionally thought to be. The same may be said for the >process of neural entrainment as well. > >It's interesting to note that DNA's helix has a phi based ratio of length >to width for a single 360 degree segment. The onset of phi based ratios in >EEG and EKG readings, and in simultanouse readings made in plants near the >human subject while in specific states of consciousness are quite >suggestive. When we also add that the Schuman resonances of the Earth have >phi based ratios as well only adds more fuel to the fire. > Thank you Robert, this is data I had not correlated. It is extremely interesting. >The process of primary perception may be giving up it's secrets at last. > >In light of this, I would like to suggest a small experiment for the RV'ers >down there in the outback. (or where ever they may be) > >I think it is possible to localy alter the environment in such a way that >RV'ing would not operate "correctly". I propose a sort of anti-stealth >stealth technology that will prevent accurate RV'ing. > hmmmm >In order to construct such a test, I would like to know what sort of test >target objects might be used, what location information should be provided, >and any other similar information. > >I can prepare a test location, and whatever equipment I might use to >prevent the RV'ers from gethering acurate data on the test objects, as well >as the test objects. I could also prepare a list of test objects, listed >by number, and have that information held by a third party, who could then >corrolate the accuracy of the RV'ers with and without the preventitive >measures in place. very hmmmm > >Any thoughts on such an experiment? I've got lots of ideas I'd like to try >on this subject, and am fairly confident that RV'ing can be effected by >technological means. > >Maybe it can even be detected as well. Any takers? > >(Now no fair peeking before I'm ready!) > > > I hope so. Well, Jim??? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 17:20:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA11318 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11305 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p3.aa.net (s1c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.167]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28308 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:17:36 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601170117.RAA28308@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 05:19:17 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.356 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >The face on Mars?? Read MIND TREK by Joseph McGoneagle...he RVd Mars >backwards in time......extroardinary results. And he was apparently the #1 >RVer for the US Military program at Stanford research at the time. > >Jim > > thanks for the reference, I was not aware of it. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 17:26:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA12453 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12413 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p3.aa.net (s1c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.167]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28685 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:23:50 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601170123.RAA28685@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 05:25:32 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.357 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:17 AM 1/17/96 +1000, you wrote: > >> >>In light of this, I would like to suggest a small experiment for the RV'ers >>down there in the outback. (or where ever they may be) >> >>I think it is possible to localy alter the environment in such a way that >>RV'ing would not operate "correctly". I propose a sort of anti-stealth >>stealth technology that will prevent accurate RV'ing. >> >>In order to construct such a test, I would like to know what sort of test >>target objects might be used, what location information should be provided, >>and any other similar information. >> >>I can prepare a test location, and whatever equipment I might use to >>prevent the RV'ers from gethering acurate data on the test objects, as well >>as the test objects. I could also prepare a list of test objects, listed >>by number, and have that information held by a third party, who could then >>corrolate the accuracy of the RV'ers with and without the preventitive >>measures in place. >> >>Any thoughts on such an experiment? I've got lots of ideas I'd like to try >>on this subject, and am fairly confident that RV'ing can be effected by >>technological means. >> >>Maybe it can even be detected as well. Any takers? >> >>(Now no fair peeking before I'm ready!) >> >> >I don't personally think my RV teams would be interested in any experiment >which intentionally set out to produce negative results. Positive feedback >is a "must' for RVers. >I seem to recall that it has been found that RVing can't be blocked. I >believe SRI International came to this conclusion. >However an interesting bit of knowledge has emerged per courtesy of the CIA >release.....RVing appears to cause an energy transfer. That is...it is a two >way street. The RVer *can* affect the target. To what extent is unclear. >There are more CIA releases due to be declassified...and what bugs me is >that this knowledge is 20-25 years old.....I would personally like to know >EXACTLY what the state of the art is..... > >Jim > > Jim, I conclude that there is far more on the earth and in near space than man has been willing to conceive and talk about. The real question is, what is our individual state of the art. The second question is, how can we use that state of the art to find those who have attained beyond... ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 17:32:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA13401 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA13346 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p3.aa.net (s1c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.167]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29030 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:28:58 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601170128.RAA29030@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 05:30:43 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.358 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:17 AM 1/17/96 +1000, you wrote: > >> >>In light of this, I would like to suggest a small experiment for the RV'ers >>down there in the outback. (or where ever they may be) >> >>I think it is possible to localy alter the environment in such a way that >>RV'ing would not operate "correctly". I propose a sort of anti-stealth >>stealth technology that will prevent accurate RV'ing. >> >>In order to construct such a test, I would like to know what sort of test >>target objects might be used, what location information should be provided, >>and any other similar information. >> >>I can prepare a test location, and whatever equipment I might use to >>prevent the RV'ers from gethering acurate data on the test objects, as well >>as the test objects. I could also prepare a list of test objects, listed >>by number, and have that information held by a third party, who could then >>corrolate the accuracy of the RV'ers with and without the preventitive >>measures in place. >> >>Any thoughts on such an experiment? I've got lots of ideas I'd like to try >>on this subject, and am fairly confident that RV'ing can be effected by >>technological means. >> >>Maybe it can even be detected as well. Any takers? >> >>(Now no fair peeking before I'm ready!) >> >> >I don't personally think my RV teams would be interested in any experiment >which intentionally set out to produce negative results. Positive feedback >is a "must' for RVers. It seems to me that there is a great skill reward here: can the rvers triumph over a dedicated effort at concealment or consciously created confusion? sort of like an athletic competition, can they beat Shannon and make him shout Uncle and admit that the puny manipulations are not as capable as the mind of a determined rver? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 18:20:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA22001 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA21898 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from t22.dialup.peg.apc.org (t22.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.150]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.7 ) with SMTP id NAA07172 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:18:49 +1000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:18:49 +1000 Message-Id: <199601170318.NAA07172@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.359 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>way street. The RVer *can* affect the target. To what extent is unclear. >>There are more CIA releases due to be declassified...and what bugs me is >>that this knowledge is 20-25 years old.....I would personally like to know >>EXACTLY what the state of the art is..... >> >>Jim >> >> > >Jim, I conclude that there is far more on the earth and in near space than >man has been willing to conceive and talk about. The real question is, what >is our individual state of the art. The second question is, how can we use >that state of the art to find those who have attained beyond... >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher Micheal....each coherent individual is capable of learning Rving....given the personal interest. It's simply that we have lost the art. The Australian Aboriginal people however have retained this art. For your second question......once you get deeply involved in alpha/theta practice the right people and situations seem to gravitate to you at the right time. It's the morphic inter-consciousness connection at work. For example..I have been on the net only 3 months and in computers about 1 year. Got a web page up about 8 weeks ago and have been thinkink how effective it would be for my small company to have our own Mall, rather than just a page. Out of the blue a proposal arrived in the em this morning...offering me EXACTLY what I was "dreaming" of...a fully managed Mall with all profits going to me...on a deal which I can easily handle financially. It is one of those too-good-to-be-true situations...but it is true. And what's more....I expect this type of synchronicity to keep happening because I've tuned my mind with all this alpha/theta practice to MAKE it happen. Once you start using your mind *as you wre intended to use it* events just happen. ....Never ceases to amaze me... Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 19:07:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA00134 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29998 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for freenrg-list@eskimo.com id AA16607; Tue, 16 Jan 96 22:03:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:03:08 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.360 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: fnrg: Heat field distortions To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I saw something interesting the other day on television. It was a form of EM (electromagnetic) generator, and when you took a pipe torch and blew heat to where the field emmiters were, it would literally deflect the heat, pushing it away from the surface of the emmiter. Any one out there who knows anything about this? Please let me knoe. Thanks in advance Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 19:13:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA01099 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01055 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:12:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601170312.TAA01055@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Tue, 16 Jan 96 22:12 EST X-Sender: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:23:00 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.361 From: Matt Mahoney Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:18 PM 1/17/96 +1000, you wrote: > >Out of the blue a proposal arrived in the em this morning...offering me >EXACTLY what I was "dreaming" of...a fully managed Mall with all profits >going to me...on a deal which I can easily handle financially. >It is one of those too-good-to-be-true situations...but it is true. > >And what's more....I expect this type of synchronicity to keep happening >because I've tuned my mind with all this alpha/theta practice to MAKE it happen. >Once you start using your mind *as you wre intended to use it* events just >happen. >....Never ceases to amaze me... Are you going to be selling information on how to RV, etc.? If not is there any other information out there I can get to learn how to RV ? Thank you. -Matt ------------------------------------------ E-Mail: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Address: Matt Mahoney 58 Hollow Rock Trail Rochester, NY 14612-2223 ------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 19:24:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA03380 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.com (escape.com [198.6.71.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03336 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chope@localhost) by escape.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA13292; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:08:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:08:29 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.362 From: Charles Hope To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing In-Reply-To: <199601151839.LAA25938@ns2.indirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Reed Huish wrote: > > Wrong, wrong wrong. No details will be released. You may buy a home generator > from us when we begin production, but otherwise nothing is coming from us. I have a question, Mr. Huish. Do you pay a monthly bill for electricity, or do you instead have such a generator running in your basement, powering itself and your home freely? > > - Reed > > Charles From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 20:05:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA10165 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA10130 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id XAA03699 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:04:46 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:07:53 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.363 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:17 AM 1/17/96, Jim Francis wrote: >I seem to recall that it has been found that RVing can't be blocked. I >believe SRI International came to this conclusion. Jim, Several RV's I know, especially those that work for Psi-Tech believe that it is possible to shield against RVing. I have never asked them what technology is involved. Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 20:10:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA10976 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA10955 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw45.fastlane.net (fw45.fastlane.net [206.42.189.45]) by fastlane.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA20436 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:05:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199601170505.XAA20436@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:10:42 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.364 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: fnrg: Request for help on using Ignitrons X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just scrounged two massive ignitron tubes from a salvage yard. They're about 6 inches in diameter and a foot long. The buss bars look like they could carry thousands of amperes of current. Manufacturer: Weltronic Ignitron 210-0147 NL-1052A Size C Anyone familiar with these things? I tried digging thru my catalogs, Radio Amateur Handbook, etc., and I can't find _anything_ on Ignitrons. I believe they're a rectifier/switch, and they look like they have a control pin (grid, gate?) They are water cooled. I'm sure I have a good find here, and I think they'd be good for exploding wire/water stuff, and maybe as a good rectifier for building a d.c. Tesla coil system, or other big-time ac to dc stuff, but I have no clue as to how to wire one. Maybe one of the more experienced on this list serve could toss a crumb of experience my way on these things? Thanks Bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 21:38:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA01391 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eclipse.co.uk (ganymede.eclipse.co.uk [193.82.136.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01071 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:40:00 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.365 From: ah8341@eclipse.co.uk Received: from unknown by mail.eclipse.co.uk via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id VAA06948; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:36:35 GMT Message-Id: <199601162136.VAA06948@mail.eclipse.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Oscillating Lightbulbs Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:37:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, Sorry I my copy of original so can't thread. What was replied by others re straightforward discharge across ionised path etc. was certainly correct, but it recalled to my mind a few letters that I saw in the Radio Society of Great Britain's journal a few years ago. It concerned Barkhausian oscillation (think spelling OK). Normall BK osc. used to plague TV line valve line-output stages and apparently caused bad screen patterning through HF spurious parasitic oscillations. The letters discussed the fact that the effect had been observed in working light bulbs causing RF interference. It was believed that the combination of natural parasitic capacitances and inductances combined with the high voltage and valve (tube) hot filament effect could simulate an oscillator. Apparently the effect was mainly in Vacuum Bulbs and not argon as generally now. The cure for the TV tube (valve) problem was to stick a magnet in the side (of the valve). None of this is relevant to free NRG but maybe some synergies somewhere, who knows? Alan. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 21:38:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA05054 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04804 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id RAA03919 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:01:39 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:04:46 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.366 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:13 AM 1/17/96, Michael Mandeville wrote: >A > >Having an electronics background, I've often wondered about the coiled shape >of the double helix DNA spirals. Seems to me they might act as a resonant >tuned circuit in the micro wavelengths. Which might well explain Backsters >experiment whereby a human cell reacted , at a distance, to the emotions of >its donor body. There is a report by the McKenna brothers of the use of sound to resonate with DNA under certain unusual neurochemical circumstances. They believe that it has the potential for allowing direct access to archetypal memories. The experience was documented in _The Invisible Landscape_. This book has been most difficult to find in the past, but I believe there was a recent reprinting. Of course, there is a wide range of opinions about the McKenna's, particularly Terrance. Dennis is clearly an accomplished biochemist, though. He has published a number of mainstream scientific studies. I believe this was his theory originally. Regards, Michael add1 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 16 23:46:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA14547 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [206.157.60.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA14512 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp36.ihug.co.nz (ppp36.ihug.co.nz [206.101.219.36]) by ihug.co.nz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04537 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:47:06 +1300 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:47:06 +1300 Message-Id: <199601170747.UAA04537@ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: james_r@ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.368 From: James Rye Subject: Re: fnrg: free design Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:30 PM 1/7/96 MET, you wrote: > >I would like to make available, at no charge, the schematic and design >information of a device I have recently designed and built. ... >... If you want the schematic I will e mail it to you as a scanned 80k gif >file >or as the original schematic in the Tango format. >Search Lycos, electromedicine for lots of info on these devices. >Send requests to greg.birdsall@deepcove.com.bc.ca I would also like to to see what it is that you are talking about here I would also be interested in any other items that you might have thank you very much for making this ofer and if this mesage seems very short i'm kind of in a hurry please send to james_r@ihug.co.nz cheers From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 06:25:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA25496 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 06:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25473 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 06:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA29858 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:10:05 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA821898129 Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:02:09 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:02:09 X-UIDL: 834952770.369 From: "reim" Encoding: 1121 Text Message-Id: <9600178218.AA821898129@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat field distortions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Are you sure about this. This is something I have not heard of or learned in college, well I don't recall Maxwell's equations making this relationship. IF this is true then one should be able to shield visible light without a visible source. bob reim reim@advantor.com you wrote: ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Heat field distortions Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/17/96 7:11 AM I saw something interesting the other day on television. It was a form of EM (electromagnetic) generator, and when you took a pipe torch and blew heat to where the field emmiters were, it would literally deflect the heat, pushing it away from the surface of the emmiter. Any one out there who knows anything about this? Please let me knoe. Thanks in advance Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 07:32:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA05640 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA05627 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA00099; Wed, 17 Jan 96 10:29:19 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Wed, 17 Jan 96 10:32:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 9:33:07 EST Message-Id: <4F06+XWEzkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.370 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, etc. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I don't personally think my RV teams would be interested in any experiment >which intentionally set out to produce negative results. Positive feedback >is a "must' for RVers. Possibly not, but a properly conducted experiment would have targets that were and were not "protected", and theoreticaly, should produce a mixture of both positive and negitive results. The experiment would prove nothing if all the results were negitive. You would have no evidence that RV'ing took place at all during the test, so no proof of stoping RV'ing would be documented. I do not beleive that it is ever possible to prove that something cannot be stoped, only that it has not yet been stoped. I'm sure many wish us to beleive that RV'ing cannot be prohibited. Indeed RV'ers can effect targets, such as random event generators and other equipment, and may also be effected by other equipment in kind, in my opinion. There is energy transfer, but energy of what nature is the question. Once this is known, it becomes engineerable. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 12:44:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA02245 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA02189 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA10327; Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:38:40 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:41:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:14:28 EST Message-Id: <4F06+YWJzkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.371 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I have a question, Mr. Huish. Do you pay a monthly bill for electricity, >or do you instead have such a generator running in your basement, >powering itself and your home freely? An excellent question Charles. The claim for the device was in the order of 300% over unity. So we should also ask if his power bills have gone down by 300% for the same rate of usage. Even this claim was not for a "free energy" device, but only for a "less expensive" energy device. More efficient appliances save energy, but do not produce "free energy" no matter how large the savings are. Even if this 300% over unity claim is valid, this does not mean that the developers will be able to market the device. There is still UL approval, FCC approval if it's a switching device, (EMI/RFI, etc.) and other regulatory issues. Of course, these must be in progress now to meet the predicted market date. I'm sure we will eventually hear the same old stories that some big power company interest came along and bought the developers out to suppress the device in some way. So far, there is more in common with other claims that to differentiate this from any others before this. Maybe this is where the needed capital just appeard from after the claim got the reception it earned here? In the unlikley event (in my opinion) that this device does find it's way to market, what garuntee will I have as a customer that the device will meet the claims made? With no performance perameters set, how could I argue that it did not meet my expectations? What recourse would buyers then have? There are no valid reasons for witholding the information requested if indeed this device is so close to a marketable state. In fact, the patents would most likley already be on file. Is this device patented? If so, what patent numbers cover it's operation? If not, how do you intend to protect the investors interests? What reason is there for not providing answers to these three questions if the device is so close to market now? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 12:52:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA03690 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03638 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:50:47 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.372 From: MRogoznica@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA07797 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:49:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:49:15 -0500 Message-ID: <960117154914_63297874@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Michael, I recently subscribed to this list as a matter of interest, and occationally check in. Your message on clairaudience and clairsentience caught my eye. I am a clairvoyant, and have been studying this intensely for the last year. If you are interested in discussing this further I can be reached at 510-548-0751 Sincerely, Maritza From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 14:14:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA19679 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA19636 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:13:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601172213.OAA19636@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:50:13 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.373 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >of 300% over unity. So we should also ask if his power bills have gone >down by 300% for the same rate of usage. > >Even this claim was not for a "free energy" device, but only for a "less >expensive" energy device. More efficient appliances save energy, but do >not produce "free energy" no matter how large the savings are. 300% over unity is more energy out than energy input. Unity is just as much energy out as in. I suppose 100% *over* unity would be twice output vs. input. I understood the intent of the claim to be an output energy of three times the input energy required to run the device. ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 15:42:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA06518 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.com (escape.com [198.6.71.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA06473 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chope@localhost) by escape.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA12859; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:35:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:35:22 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.374 From: Charles Hope To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Reed Huish Remote Viewing In-Reply-To: <199601172213.OAA19636@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > >of 300% over unity. So we should also ask if his power bills have gone > >down by 300% for the same rate of usage. > > > >Even this claim was not for a "free energy" device, but only for a "less > >expensive" energy device. More efficient appliances save energy, but do > >not produce "free energy" no matter how large the savings are. > > > 300% over unity is more energy out than energy input. Unity is > just as much energy out as in. I suppose 100% *over* unity > would be twice output vs. input. > > I understood the intent of the claim to be an output energy of > three times the input energy required to run the device. His power bills should not be reduced by 300% (I don't know what the means actually) but be reduced to nil. Whatever the case may be, if Reed's generator is over unity at all, it can power itself and have some energy left over to make his toast in the morning. If it's a useful device it should have enough energy left over to be able to power a home. It's interesting that something always goes wrong after the tough talk and before the practical application. Certainly the first reasonable action, after gaining possession of an over unity generator, is to get the heck off the power grid and stop wasting money. Where's the toast? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > Charles, who has heard hundreds of stories and seen no devices. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 17:39:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA27999 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1a.gnn.com (mail-e1a.gnn.com [204.148.101.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27922 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-17-184.gnn.com. (www-17-184.gnn.com [205.188.17.184]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05279 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:36:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601180136.UAA05279@mail-e1a.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:35:26 X-UIDL: 834952770.375 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On January 17 Charles Hope wrote: >His power bills....should be reduced to nil. >Certainly the first reasonable action.....is to get the heck off the power grid and stop wasting money. In the United States there is a federal law that says if you have utility service providing you with electricity and you have an alternative source of power (be it windmill, solar panels, or bicycle-powered generator) that produces more power than you consume, ( in other words, you are putting power into the grid), the utility company is obligated to buy the excess from you at whatever rate they are currently charging. It would be interesting to see what would happen to everyone's meter when they all begin to run backward! I don't know if the meters can even do that for any length of time! Does anyone know the answer? Also, when the electric company is out of business, what do we do with the old meters? And the people who used to have a job building meters? Ah well, I guess that their unemployment benefits can be paid out of the money generated by recycling all the copper in the transmission lines! Later, taters Skronk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 17:46:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA29306 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1a.gnn.com (mail-e1a.gnn.com [204.148.101.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA29264 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-17-184.gnn.com. (www-17-184.gnn.com [205.188.17.184]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07970 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:44:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601180144.UAA07970@mail-e1a.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:43:51 X-UIDL: 834952770.376 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Wolfgang Starchild mentioned seeing a flame dispersed by an electric or electromagnetic field. I don't know if this is applicable, but it is a fact that flames do conduct electricity. There are devices in certain fuel ignition systems that make use of this fact. When the controller wishes to ignite the fuel, gas is sent to the pilot burner. Once lit, the pilot flame itself conducts a small current, and this completed circuit tells the controller that there is a positive pilot flame. The controller then opens the main fuel valve. I believe that this type of device is referred to as a "flame rectification" circuit. Pax, Skronk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 19:54:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA02654 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix1.utm.edu (unix1.utm.edu [192.239.144.18]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA02565 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup02.utm.edu by unix1.utm.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37574; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:50:59 -0600 Message-Id: <30FDC469.59F0@UTM.Edu> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:54:17 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.377 From: Mark Mansfield Organization: Univ. of Tenn at Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: markman@UTM.Edu Subject: Re: fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing References: <199601180136.UAA05279@mail-e1a.gnn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Paul Lamb wrote: > > On January 17 Charles Hope wrote: > > >His power bills....should be reduced to nil. > >Certainly the first reasonable action.....is to get the heck > off the power grid and stop wasting money. > > In the United States there is a federal law that says if you > have utility service providing you with electricity and you > have an alternative source of power (be it windmill, solar > panels, or bicycle-powered generator) that produces more power > than you consume, ( in other words, you are putting power into > the grid), the utility company is obligated to buy the excess > from you at whatever rate they are currently charging. It would > be interesting to see what would happen to everyone's meter > when they all begin to run backward! I don't know if the meters > can even do that for any length of time! Does anyone know the > answer? Also, when the electric company is out of business, > what do we do with the old meters? And the people who used to > have a job building meters? Ah well, I guess that their > unemployment benefits can be paid out of the money generated by > recycling all the copper in the transmission lines! > Those laws are/were in effect as of a few years ago. I would imagine that they still are. The rate which they buy power from you is what price it would cost them to produce it over and above what they are producing at that moment. It could mean some pretty high rates depending on where you live (upstate New York for example). I live down in TVA land where hydro and nuke is king and cost very little to produce which translated is not squat! I have a book called (this is best I can remember) "Be your own Power Company". I can dig it out and give you a author's name if you need it. It has some very good points you should look at if you want to get in the power production business. Oh yeah, something else.... The electric company can require you to have some very expensive switch and safety gear attached to their lines which can make it almost impossible to realize a profit. That's assuming they want to be a horse ___ about it. Good Luck! Mark From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 19:55:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA03190 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix1.utm.edu (unix1.utm.edu [192.239.144.18]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03157 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup02.utm.edu by unix1.utm.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18471; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:54:50 -0600 Message-Id: <30FDC550.6C7B@UTM.Edu> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:58:08 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.378 From: Mark Mansfield Organization: Univ. of Tenn at Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions References: <199601180144.UAA07970@mail-e1a.gnn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Paul Lamb wrote: > > Wolfgang Starchild mentioned seeing a flame dispersed by an > electric or electromagnetic field. I don't know if this is > applicable, but it is a fact that flames do conduct > electricity. There are devices in certain fuel ignition systems > that make use of this fact. When the controller wishes to > ignite the fuel, gas is sent to the pilot burner. Once lit, the > pilot flame itself conducts a small current, and this completed > circuit tells the controller that there is a positive pilot > flame. The controller then opens the main fuel valve. I believe > that this type of device is referred to as a "flame > rectification" circuit. > There is a process of electricity generation that uses a similar principle of the conductive gas medium. It's called MagnetoHydroDynamic's. MHD for short. They seed the hot flame with a conductive material and the flame is shot through a powerful magnetic (usually superconducting). The electricity is taken off plates mounted in the flame area. Mark From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 20:24:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA07390 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from monarch.papillion.ne.us (anye@[198.247.210.200]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07375 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from anye@localhost) by monarch.papillion.ne.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA11874; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:23:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:23:46 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.379 From: Aubrey Nye To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: What I am writing about doesn't have to do with electricity directly, but it involves the possibility of parallel universe, or possible holograms. I am doing research inorder to get some answers and experiences in a certain area, so that I can study the phenomenon more. I am doing research on the phenomenon of people who have seen their doubles. There are two catagories. Someone who looks similar to you or close to exact, but right next to you, you would tell the difference. And then, there is what is called from history, a doppleganger. This is our exact mirror image. I have had many responses of this that are quite strange. It is an area that I want to study more and welcome experiences or information in this are. Whether it be a similar or an exact double. One of the possibilities for the doppleganger, exact lookalike, is a possible overlay of time, parallel universe. One person felt it was seeing the future self. But, many people have talked with their double. This has been recoreded way back into time,but I do not know how far. Any info. or expereinces would be great. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 20:28:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA07982 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07973 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:28:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601180428.UAA07973@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:08:23 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.380 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >be interesting to see what would happen to everyone's meter >when they all begin to run backward! I don't know if the meters >can even do that for any length of time! Does anyone know the >answer? I know the answer to this vaguely. If you look very closely to the inside of a power meter, there is an offset or imbalance to the core (magnetic field path) cutout that the aluminum disk passes through, which makes it spin only in one direction for AC. That's probably about as clear as mud, but means that it cannot run backwards, because with AC it wouldn't know which side is the source and which is the load. Maybe someone can slap that down or polish it up. The meters are based on a design by Tesla for a copper disk motor that runs on AC. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 20:55:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA12263 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA12247 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw47.fastlane.net (fw47.fastlane.net [206.42.189.47]) by fastlane.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA10041 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:50:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199601180550.XAA10041@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:55:45 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.381 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat field distortions X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Wolf posted a note on electrostatic cooling: ___________________________ >Subject: fnrg: Heat field distortions >Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet >Date: 1/17/96 7:11 AM > > >I saw something interesting the other day on television. > > It was a form of EM (electromagnetic) generator, and when you >took a pipe torch and blew heat to where the field emmiters were, it >would literally deflect the heat, pushing it away from the surface of the >emmiter. > > Any one out there who knows anything about this? Please let me knoe. > >Thanks in advance > >Wolf > I have at least one reference in my piles of papers on this effect. The article describes one of those parabolic electric space heaters as an example, the kind where the heating element is spiraled around a ceramic cone. Bringing a high voltage electrode near the operating element will cool the heating element to the point it no longer glows. I believe the article also talks about cooling a metal plate heated by an acetylene torch. I also believe T.T. Brown filed a patent on the possibility of using an electrostatic effect to reduce drag on the leading edge of the wings on supersonic aircraft, but the effect may also cool these edges (Dr. Paul A. LaViolette talks about both these possibilities being used today in the B2 bomber). I believe this article (or maybe one other article) talks about the Israelies {sp?} using a large truck mounted version of this thing to put out large fires such as stubborn oil fires! I have no idea whether they actually built a working version or not. I'm sure the effect is probably based on quantum level effects, but I ain't no physicist and certainly won't try to explain _how_ it works. It should be very easy for one of you with a high voltage power supply to verify. Any takers? Bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 21:08:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA14677 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA14641 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA29352 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:58:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA23268; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:08:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:08:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601180508.XAA23268@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.382 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > > >>be interesting to see what would happen to everyone's meter >>when they all begin to run backward! I don't know if the meters >>can even do that for any length of time! Does anyone know the >>answer? > >I know the answer to this vaguely. If you look very closely >to the inside of a power meter, there is an offset or >imbalance to the core (magnetic field path) cutout that >the aluminum disk passes through, which makes it spin >only in one direction for AC. That's probably about as >clear as mud, but means that it cannot run backwards, I have a question! Tom Bearden and many others describe free energy as having several unusual properties which the regular power-company AC does not have. These have to do with negative time (Whittaker/Ziolkowski structure.) So what happens if you mix this with regular AC? Does it cancel out? Go "BANG"? Or nothing? Hmm .... something to think about! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 21:09:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA14802 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA14785 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:09:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601180509.VAA14785@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:49:40 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.383 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > There is a process of electricity generation that uses a similar >principle of the conductive gas medium. It's called MagnetoHydroDynamic's. >MHD for short. They seed the hot flame with a conductive material and >the flame is shot through a powerful magnetic (usually superconducting). >The electricity is taken off plates mounted in the flame area. I thought MHD was where salt water was forced through pipes by magnetic fields applied. Flame introduced to the equation is one I hadn't heard. Not seeing why seeding flame with a conductive material would be necessary, because it is indeed quite conductive by itself. Are you sure there isn't another name for this? ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 21:24:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA17481 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA17453 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA26971 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:24:47 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:24:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199601180524.GAA26971@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.384 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Cold fusion at 1 KWatt ! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Hi, I just read on the CF WEB server, that they now have successfully demonstrated a 1 KW cold fusion device ! That is great ! Does anybody know, if they have succeeded to close the loop and power the device with a thermo to electricity converter from the output power ? How far are they still away to achieve this ? Are there already any kits available to try a homemade CF experiment with success ? Please let me know, Thanks ! regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 21:41:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA20142 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA20119 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:41:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601180541.VAA20119@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:21:58 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.385 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat field distortions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I have at least one reference in my piles of papers on this effect. The >article describes one of those parabolic electric space heaters as an >example, the kind where the heating element is spiraled around a ceramic >cone. Bringing a high voltage electrode near the operating element will >cool the heating element to the point it no longer glows. I believe the >article also talks about cooling a metal plate heated by an acetylene torch. > >I also believe T.T. Brown filed a patent on the possibility of using an >electrostatic effect to reduce drag on the leading edge of the wings on >supersonic aircraft, but the effect may also cool these edges (Dr. Paul A. >LaViolette talks about both these possibilities being used today in the B2 >bomber). Hmmp. Maybe one side of a capacitor charged with high voltage DC is cooler than the other. The positive lead of a high voltage power supply is like an electron vacuum cleaner drawing away as many electrons as it can. Temperature is a way to quantify molecular motion. If you vacuum away electrons from a container of air, what happens to the motion of those air molecules? Do they slow down, become less elastic in their collisions with each other? If you can get them to clump together with a charge, maybe a thermometer would read lower. Or, if collisions could be caused to produce primarily rotational kinetic energy instead of vector movement, that would show as an apparent heat drop, even though the overall energy remains the same in a given container of air molecules. Charged particles don't like to move through static magnetic fields. So a good experiment might be to take the temperature on a metal sphere, then apply 100 KV or so and take the temperature again, then place a neodymium magnet near it and again read the temperature. Apply the principle to keeping transistors cool if it works, and presto, couple of bucks there at least. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 21:58:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA23273 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.129.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA23235 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ens.ascom.ch by hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (8.7.1/6.33) id GAA26867; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:56:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from stva99.ens.ascom.ch by ens.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA28973; Thu, 18 Jan 96 06:59:08 +0100 Received: from [139.79.69.152] (ptva52) by stva99.ens.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02053; Thu, 18 Jan 96 06:56:43 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.386 From: Christian Korfmacher Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat field distortions X-Originating-Host: [139.79.69.152] In-Reply-To: <9600178218.AA821898129@irout.advantor.com> Message-Id: <1996Jan18.065843+0100@[139.79.69.152]> Date: 18 Jan 1996 06:58:43 +0100 X-Mailer: BWMail for Windows Version 3.1 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi seems to me like ordinary plasma (ionized gas) deflected by magnetic fields, nothing to worry about; there are even plasma loudspeakers available! thats all for now Christian Korfmacher In <9600178218.AA821898129@irout.advantor.com>, reim wrote: > > Are you sure about this. This is something I have not heard of or > learned in college, well I don't recall Maxwell's equations making > this relationship. IF this is true then one should be able to shield > visible light without a visible source. > > >bob reim reim@advantor.com > > >you wrote: >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: fnrg: Heat field distortions >Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet >Date: 1/17/96 7:11 AM > > >I saw something interesting the other day on television. > > It was a form of EM (electromagnetic) generator, and when you >took a pipe torch and blew heat to where the field emmiters were, it >would literally deflect the heat, pushing it away from the surface of the >emmiter. > > Any one out there who knows anything about this? Please let me knoe. > >Thanks in advance > >Wolf > > >Skyward Aerospace >(905)685-8726 Extension #1 >wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca > >"There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" > > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 22:48:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA25451 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25266 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c3p3.aa.net (s3c3p3.aa.net [204.157.220.159]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25002 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:39:50 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601172239.OAA25002@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:40:43 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.387 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:33 AM 1/17/96 EST, you wrote: > >There is energy transfer, but energy of what nature is the question. Once >this is known, it becomes engineerable. > A thing does not need to be known in the scientific theory sense in order to be engineerable. You just need to have some decently reliable if/then relationships: if I do this this and this under that when I THEN x. It is this experience which will lead to the science of formulas, eventually, but it may take hundred, even thousand of years. Look at gravity. We engineer with it quite well, as a factor, have been for thousands of years. Nobody has a true science of gravity, just if/when/then methods. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 22:50:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA25432 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25246 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c3p3.aa.net (s3c3p3.aa.net [204.157.220.159]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25000 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:39:46 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601172239.OAA25000@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:40:40 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.388 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsentience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:04 PM 1/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:13 AM 1/17/96, Michael Mandeville wrote: >>A >> >>Having an electronics background, I've often wondered about the coiled shape >>of the double helix DNA spirals. Seems to me they might act as a resonant >>tuned circuit in the micro wavelengths. Which might well explain Backsters >>experiment whereby a human cell reacted , at a distance, to the emotions of >>its donor body. > >There is a report by the McKenna brothers of the use of sound to resonate >with DNA under certain unusual neurochemical circumstances. They believe >that it has the potential for allowing direct access to archetypal >memories. The experience was documented in _The Invisible Landscape_. >This book has been most difficult to find in the past, but I believe there >was a recent reprinting. > >Of course, there is a wide range of opinions about the McKenna's, >particularly Terrance. Dennis is clearly an accomplished biochemist, >though. He has published a number of mainstream scientific studies. I >believe this was his theory originally. > >Regards, >Michael > > add1 Terry is pretty astute too, think of him as a grand synthesist, about 20 years ahead and with a .5 batting average. Then you are on safe ground with him, some stuff will pan, other stuff will not, it is up to you to figure it out. I think that it is obvious that we do resonate to sound in some sort of complex way and chains of reaction, and most likely we do because of the obvious connection of sound to survival evolution. The McKennas don't take it very far technically. One needs to get a lot sharper in detail to make science of it. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 17 23:44:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA10583 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1a.gnn.com (mail-e1a.gnn.com [204.148.101.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA10569 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-22-175.gnn.com. (www-22-175.gnn.com [205.188.22.175]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA19247 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:43:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601180743.CAA19247@mail-e1a.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:42:41 X-UIDL: 834952770.389 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Radio Freqs Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Off-the-wall question here: I know a few of you are radio operators, so I'll have to ask if you can look up a couple of frequencies and let me know what sort of traffic is there. 1. 177.600 Mhz 2. 55.360 Mhz I live in the Detroit area if that helps. I would appreciate any assistance on this subject. I thank you in advance. Paul Lamb ---If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we ourselves would be so simple that we couldn't. ---Lyall Watson From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 00:29:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA02250 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA02228 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from t32.dialup.peg.apc.org (t32.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.160]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id TAA20229 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:27:44 +1000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:27:44 +1000 Message-Id: <199601180927.TAA20229@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.390 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 01:18 PM 1/17/96 +1000, you wrote: >> >>Out of the blue a proposal arrived in the em this morning...offering me >>EXACTLY what I was "dreaming" of...a fully managed Mall with all profits >>going to me...on a deal which I can easily handle financially. >>It is one of those too-good-to-be-true situations...but it is true. >> >>And what's more....I expect this type of synchronicity to keep happening >>because I've tuned my mind with all this alpha/theta practice to MAKE it >happen. >>Once you start using your mind *as you wre intended to use it* events just >>happen. >>....Never ceases to amaze me... > > Are you going to be selling information on how to RV, etc.? If not >is there any other information out there I can get to learn how to RV ? >Thank you. > > > -Matt I've just completed an instructional course on RVing. Should be marketable (in software form) in a couple of weeks Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 00:29:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA01961 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA01945 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from t32.dialup.peg.apc.org (t32.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.160]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id TAA20000 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:25:40 +1000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:25:40 +1000 Message-Id: <199601180925.TAA20000@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.391 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 10:17 AM 1/17/96, Jim Francis wrote: > >>I seem to recall that it has been found that RVing can't be blocked. I >>believe SRI International came to this conclusion. > >Jim, > >Several RV's I know, especially those that work for Psi-Tech believe that >it is possible to shield against RVing. I have never asked them what >technology is involved. > >Regards, >Michael > I'll follow this up Michael.. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 01:41:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA08300 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA08294; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:41:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:41:27 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.392 From: Tony Rusi To: Gary Hawkins cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions In-Reply-To: <199601180509.VAA14785@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > > There is a process of electricity generation that uses a similar > >principle of the conductive gas medium. It's called MagnetoHydroDynamic's. > >MHD for short. They seed the hot flame with a conductive material and > >the flame is shot through a powerful magnetic (usually superconducting). > >The electricity is taken off plates mounted in the flame area. > > > I thought MHD was where salt water was forced through pipes by > magnetic fields applied. Flame introduced to the equation is one > I hadn't heard. Not seeing why seeding flame with a conductive > material would be necessary, because it is indeed quite conductive > by itself. Are you sure there isn't another name for this? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > Just happened to be reading a 1960 paper "Propulsion system using a cavity reactor and magnetohydrodynamic generator" by R. J. Rosa because it was a footnote in some technical papers on the Lightcraft project. He proposed a nuclear fission cavity attached to an MHD generator that produced power for an MHD accelerator that accelerated a hydrogen plasma after a collector had recycled the uranium out of it and sent it back to the cavity reactor. They used cesium to seed the working fluid and make it sufficiently conductive. The mean field strength was 1 Tesla, mean gas velocity was 1000 m/sec, with an overall specific output acceleration of 1G sustained with an impulse of 1000 sec. Those new planets are only 37 lightyears away you know. Rosa now teaches at Montana State University in Bozeman, MT. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 01:46:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA08560 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA08554; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:46:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:46:01 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.393 From: Tony Rusi To: Stefan Hartmann cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold fusion at 1 KWatt ! In-Reply-To: <199601180524.GAA26971@ns.bbtt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Where did you see or hear this? The japanese were selling a turnkey kit for $ 5 x 10+E5 a couple years ago. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 02:01:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA09638 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA09631 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p0.aa.net (s3c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.132]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA30689 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:01:15 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601181001.CAA30689@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:00:46 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.394 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:54 PM 1/17/96 -0600, you wrote: >Those laws are/were in effect as of a few years ago. I would imagine >that they still are. The rate which they buy power from you is what >price it would cost them to produce it over and above what they are >producing at that moment. It could mean some pretty high rates >depending on where you live (upstate New York for example). I live >down in TVA land where hydro and nuke is king and cost very little >to produce which translated is not squat! I have a book called >(this is best I can remember) "Be your own Power Company". I can >dig it out and give you a author's name if you need it. It has some >very good points you should look at if you want to get in the power >production business. Oh yeah, something else.... The electric company >can require you to have some very expensive switch and safety gear >attached to their lines which can make it almost impossible to realize >a profit. That's assuming they want to be a horse ___ about it. >Good Luck! > >Mark > Naw, the connection requirements for reverse flow of energy are well defined and modularized for the solar and wind industries, which can be used for any source. The issue is entrainment of the ac waveform and calibration of the lc impedance factors. They are not prohibitive. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 02:10:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA10212 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA10201 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p0.aa.net (s3c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.132]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA30993 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:10:25 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601181010.CAA30993@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:09:57 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.395 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >> -Matt > I've just completed an instructional course on RVing. Should be marketable >(in software form) in a couple of weeks > >Jim > > Please keep me informed of availability via this list or via personal email. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 02:11:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA10271 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA10264 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p0.aa.net (s3c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.132]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA31015 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:11:03 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601181011.CAA31015@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:10:33 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.396 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent ience Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:25 PM 1/18/96 +1000, you wrote: >>At 10:17 AM 1/17/96, Jim Francis wrote: >> >>>I seem to recall that it has been found that RVing can't be blocked. I >>>believe SRI International came to this conclusion. >> >>Jim, >> >>Several RV's I know, especially those that work for Psi-Tech believe that >>it is possible to shield against RVing. I have never asked them what >>technology is involved. >> >>Regards, >>Michael >> > >I'll follow this up Michael.. > >Jim > > me too ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 06:41:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA03170 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA03161 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA23146; Thu, 18 Jan 96 09:37:47 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Thu, 18 Jan 96 9:40:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 9:36:53 EST Message-Id: <4F06+3gZzkA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.397 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I have a question! > >Tom Bearden and many others describe free energy as having several >unusual properties which the regular power-company AC does not have. >These have to do with negative time (Whittaker/Ziolkowski structure.) > >So what happens if you mix this with regular AC? Does it cancel out? Go >"BANG"? Or nothing? > >Hmm .... something to think about! The odd effects described only apply to the scalar currents, and need not apply to pure "vector" or electromagnetic power. If a "free energy" machine causes resistive loads to run cold, shut it off and repair it in such a way that the scalar conmponent is translated into pure vecotr power. If you do not do this, you will have a real big problem, just try to keep your self warm in the winter with an electric heater powered by the device. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 07:10:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA07650 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA07625 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA04389 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:00:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA27730; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:09:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:09:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601181509.JAA27730@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.400 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold fusion at 1 KWatt ! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Where did you see or hear this? The japanese were selling a turnkey kit >for $ 5 x 10+E5 a couple years ago. > > This must be Bruce Perrault's device (COLDFISS.ASC file on Keelynet, which is also on Bill's homepage.) At the end it says that kits may be available in the future. Contact for info on kits: Nu Energy Horizons Route 175 Box 445 Campton NH 03223 Most of it looks straightforward except for the chlorine-filled tube. I'd like to see a kit for that! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 07:22:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA09917 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA09904 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA04330; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:22:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:22:45 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.401 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "Rudy Kremers" To: "freenrg-list" Subject: RE: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Date: Mon Jan 15 16:35 NZD 1996 I have just subscribed to this group and unfortunately just caught the tail on the Hovertec thread. What information is being offered and is it in electronic or hard form? I'm interested. Rudy ---------- From: freenrg-list To: 'Free Energy Listserve' Subject: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Date: Sunday, January 14, 1996 2:49PM I've been so busy with school and my comp. programming job that I = haven't had a chance to finish getting the Hovertec files ready for = distribution yet. Don't give up though, I promise I will have them = ready by the end of this week (I hope {:-] ). I've been keeping a = record of all who have requested them so I can begin sending them A. S. = A. P. Brent From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 07:34:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA12238 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA12195 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA05492; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:34:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:34:14 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.402 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold fusion at 1 KWatt ! In-Reply-To: <199601180524.GAA26971@ns.bbtt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi, > > I just read on the CF WEB server, that they now have successfully > demonstrated a 1 KW cold fusion device ! This would be the CETI device demonstrated at a conference a couple of months ago. It uses Patterson's metal-coated bead method of attaining thin, large area electrodes. See the sci.physics.fusion newsgroup for lots of discussion about it. I think the claim was for 1300W output, measured as several degrees of temperature rise in the cooling water being pumped through the system. CETI is keeping the specifics of their technique secret (and presumably dealing with investors) This is always a bad sign in the "free energy" field. It often is followed by maintained secrecy, continued silence, and years later we ask "what ever happened to..." ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 07:44:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA14193 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com [134.111.1.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA14180 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cougar.ssi.stratus.com (cougar.ssi.stratus.com [198.115.41.72]) by transfer.stratus.com (8.7.1/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA03579 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cougar.ssi.stratus.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/95.01.11) with SMTP id AA0267 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:45:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9601181545.AA0267@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:45:06 +0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.403 From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <93_89_1_821979906> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: -- Who is don alphonso and whats all this about tweezers From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 07:50:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA15215 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com [134.111.1.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA15186 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from cougar.ssi.stratus.com (cougar.ssi.stratus.com [198.115.41.72]) by transfer.stratus.com (8.7.1/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA04035 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cougar.ssi.stratus.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/95.01.11) with SMTP id AA0268 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:51:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9601181551.AA0268@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:49:06 +0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.404 From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <93_89_1_821980146> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Tom Bearden and many others describe free energy as having several > >unusual properties which the regular power-company AC does not have. > >These have to do with negative time (Whittaker/Ziolkowski structure.) > > The odd effects described only apply to the scalar currents, and need not > apply to pure "vector" or electromagnetic power. > > If a "free energy" machine causes resistive loads to run cold, shut it off > and repair it in such a way that the scalar conmponent is translated into > pure vecotr power. > > If you do not do this, you will have a real big problem, just try to keep > your self warm in the winter with an electric heater powered by the device. If you could easily control this feature you would have a resistive heat-pump with no moving parts. Cool in the summer, heat in the winter. Charlie -- Who is don alphonso and whats all this about tweezers From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 08:37:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA24707 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ddi.digital.net (ddi.digital.net [198.69.104.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA24688 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.69.104.115] (pm2_15.digital.net [198.69.104.115]) by ddi.digital.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25685 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:32:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:34:07 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.405 From: tilleyrw@digital.net (Robert Tilley) Subject: RE: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From: freenrg-list >To: 'Free Energy Listserve' >Subject: fnrg: Another Hovertec Update >Date: Sunday, January 14, 1996 2:49PM > >I've been so busy with school and my comp. programming job that I = >haven't had a chance to finish getting the Hovertec files ready for = >distribution yet. Don't give up though, I promise I will have them = >ready by the end of this week (I hope {:-] ). I've been keeping a = >record of all who have requested them so I can begin sending them A. S. = >A. P. > >Brent I am also very interested in this information. Please forward me a copy when it is ready. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, | | and why. Then do it." -- Lazarus Long | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Robert Tilley * tilleyrw@digital.net * "Once upon a time..." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | *** --- *** --- http://ddi.digital.net/~tilleyrw --- *** --- *** | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 11:53:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA05846 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA05828 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.407 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzzbz07965; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzzby02052; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:42:47 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA822004970; Thu, 18 Jan 96 14:36:58 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 14:36:58 EDT Encoding: 44 Text Message-Id: <9600188220.AA822004970@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi there, I'm new in the group. I have a silly question... what is RV? thank you Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 01/18/96 02:10 PM >At 01:18 PM 1/17/96 +1000, you wrote: >> >>Out of the blue a proposal arrived in the em this morning...offering me >>EXACTLY what I was "dreaming" of...a fully managed Mall with all profits >>going to me...on a deal which I can easily handle financially. >>It is one of those too-good-to-be-true situations...but it is true. >> >>And what's more....I expect this type of synchronicity to keep happening >>because I've tuned my mind with all this alpha/theta practice to MAKE it >happen. >>Once you start using your mind *as you wre intended to use it* events just >>happen. >>....Never ceases to amaze me... > > Are you going to be selling information on how to RV, etc.? If not >is there any other information out there I can get to learn how to RV ? >Thank you. > > > -Matt I've just completed an instructional course on RVing. Should be marketable (in software form) in a couple of weeks Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 15:47:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA21945 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21928 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:46:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601182346.PAA21928@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3379; Thu, 18 Jan 96 18:47:36 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3075; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:47:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 18:39:30 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.408 From: Brian Subject: fnrg: Newbian Question To: FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Folks! I am a newbie to the list, and it seems to me that there are a lot of people on here that really keep up with the free energy technology. I have a few files of my own, and two designs have stuck in my mind for some years now. Do any of you know what became of DePalma's N-machine? Has anyone here tried to verify his technology? I think there was a guy named Tewari in India who supposedly had some success with the idea. Any info? Also, I recall that a fellow named Paul Brown experimented with a device known as the Nucell (variation of the Hubbard coil, uses Strontium 90). Any info? Thanks for the text space. I really enjoy the list! - Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu "If all else fails, write a book about it!!" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 18:00:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA16754 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16716 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA00187 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:00:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:00:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199601190200.DAA00187@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.409 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion report ! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I thought I would copy this report from Jed Rothwell to this list, cause he has not done it himself... to end the endless discussion about Remote viewing and other offtopic themes....... Cold Fusion Research Advocates 2050 Peachtree Industrial Court, Suite 113-A Chamblee, Georgia 30341 Phone: 770-451-9890 Fax: 770-458-2404 E-mail: JedRothwell@Delphi.com CompuServe 72240,1256 December 13, 1995 CETI Demonstrates 1,300 Watt Cold Fusion Reactor Produces 1000 to 4000 Times Input Last week at the Power-Gen '95 Americas power industry trade show in Anaheim (December 5-7, 1995), a 1-kilowatt cold fusion reactor was demonstrated by Clean Energy Technologies, Inc. (CETI) of Dallas Texas. The cathode is composed of thousands of 1 mm diameter co-polymer beads with a flash coat of copper and multiple layers of electrolytically deposited thin film nickel and palladium. CETI holds three U.S. patents on the beads, with additional patents pending. During the demonstration, between 0.1 and 1.5 watts of electricity was input, and the cell output 450 to 1,300 watts of heat. In April 1995, at the Fifth International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) CETI demonstrated a cell with input of 0.14 watts and a peak excess of 2.5 watts, a ratio of 1:18. In October 1995, at the 16th biannual Symposium on Fusion Engineering (SOFE '95) the University of Illinois showed a CETI cell with 0.06 watts input and 5 watts peak output, a ratio of 1:83. Ratios at Power-Gen ranged from 1:1000 to 1:4000. The ICCF5 and Power-Gen calorimeters were designed and constructed by Dennis Cravens. The SOFE '95 calorimeter was constructed by George Miley's group at the University of Illinois. The Power-Gen cell and calorimeter are much larger than CETI's previous cold fusion demonstration devices. The cell is 10 cm long, 2.5 cm in diameter, containing roughly 40 ml of beads. Previous cells had about 1 ml of beads. The cell itself is wrapped in opaque foam plastic because the cell geometry has been improved and the improvements are not yet covered by patent applications. Other components in the calorimeter are made of clear Lucite plastic. (Photographs of the device can be seen on the World Wide Web address below.) The flow calorimeter reservoir holds 2.5 liters and the flow rate is set between 1.0 and 1.5 liters per minute. A control cell is mounted parallel to the hot cell. The flow to both cells is regulated with precision valves. The reservoir and pump consist of a Magnum 220 aquarium pump with a micron filter attachment, with an additional Lucite cylinder built on top of the pump unit to hold a cooling coil, gas trap, and a 3.5 watt computer cooling fan. Water is circulated by a magnetic impeller pump, driven by a 50-watt motor mounted underneath. Static in-line mixers ensure mixing. (These are plastic objects about an inch long with vanes to stir the flow.) A few weeks before the conference, Cravens decided to increase the flow rate in order to keep the temperature below 50 degrees C. The new flow rates exceeded the capacity of his flowmeters. He was not able to procure a bigger flowmeter in time for the conference, so no flowmeter was installed. Flow was measured by turning stopcocks to redirect fluid from the cell outlet tube into a graduated cylinder for 15 seconds. This test was performed many times, and the flow rate was not observed to change measurably, except when it was deliberately adjusted between runs. The water hose from the pump is coiled in an air cooled box on top of the reservoir. Air is drawn through the box by the cooling fan. The pump, cooling fan and DC power supplies electrolysis all have one common AC cord, which is monitored by a Radio Shack analog AC voltmeter and a multimeter. Total power consumption by all components is 85 watts. The Delta T temperatures and reservoir temperatures are measured with K-Type thermocouples, with Omega Model HH22 Microprocessor Thermometers. Power is measured with Metex M 3800 series multimeters. The first test was marred by a malfunction in the control cell. The control cell consisted of tin plated shot, arranged as an electrochemical cathode, in the same configuration as the smaller CETI thin film beads. During tests at the lab leading up to the conference, this produced no excess heat, as expected. However, during the first test at one point produced a Delta T temperature as high as 2.6 deg C. Cravens suspected that the flow was blocked and the cell short circuited. Later that evening he confirmed both suspicions. When he opened the cell he found that some of shot had corroded after weeks of electrolysis in warm water. The tin plating had peeled off. When they set up the cell in the afternoon, they made the flow rate in the control cell 300 ml per minute, the same as the live cell. Later on, the flow slowed down and the cell was shorted out by loose tin and debris and power consumption went up. In retrospect, this was a poor choice of materials for the control cell. The control cell was replaced with a joule heater for the remainder of the conference, which raised the water temperature the normal, expected amount. Later on, in subsequent tests, I was able to observe the machine closely, and to make direct measurements of its performance with my own instruments. I tested the flow rate on the cold fusion cell side several times. As noted above, I did not see any measurable variation except when the flow was deliberately changed from 1,300 ml to 1,000 ml per minute by closing the valves. I checked the thermocouple readings in the reservoir, inlet and outlet with two thermistors and a thermometer. They agreed closely with the thermocouple readings. The reservoir temperature can be taken by removing the cooling loop section on top and inserting the thermistor probe directly into the water. Measuring inlet and outlet temperature required a little more ingenuity. I confirmed the outlet thermocouple reading by taking a 250 ml sample of water from the outlet pipe during a flow test and immediately measuring the temperature before the sample cooled significantly. I confirmed the cold fusion inlet temperature by turning off the control side joule heater and taking a 250 ml sample from the control outlet pipe. Here is some sample data: Test 1, December 4, two hours INPUT POWER Measured AC: 0.7 A * 120 V = 84 W Electrolysis: 0.18 A * 8 V = 1.4 W OUTPUT POWER Flow rate 1200 ml/minute (300 ml/15 seconds) Delta T Temperature 16 to 17 deg C 1200 ml * 16 deg C * 4.2 = 80,640 j/min = 1,344 W Test 2, December 5, afternoon, 30 minutes. INPUT POWER Measured AC: 0.7 A * 140 V = 98 W Electrolysis: 0.02 A * 3.9 V = 0.1 W OUTPUT POWER Flow rate 1000 ml/min (250 ml/15 seconds) Delta T Temperature 6.7 deg C 1000 ml * 6.7 * 4.2 = 28,140 j/min = 469 W CETI plans to follow up on this with demonstrations of prototype consumer products, including larger cells for space heating and heat engines. They are working to develop these devices as rapidly as they can. They estimate that it will take six months to one year to make suitable prototypes. CETI is now engaged in joint R&D projects with five corporate and university strategic partners, including the University of Illinois and the University of Missouri. All five have independently verified the excess heat. The University of Illinois group has fabricated beads from scratch using a sputtering technique rather than electrolytic deposition. They have observed excess heat from their own beads as well as beads provided to them by CETI. Akira Kawasaki and I took many photographs of the calorimeter. I scanned four of them, and John Logajan uploaded them in his home page: WWW URL = http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan - Jed Rothwell -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 18:08:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA18054 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17834 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA00197 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:07:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:07:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199601190207.DAA00197@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.410 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: another report about the 1.3 KW CF cell ! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: From: rbrtbass@ix.netcom.com (Robert W. Bass ) Subject: CETI's 1.3kW CF Reactor Demonstrated! Date: 7 Dec 1995 01:17:01 GMT CETI's 1.3 kW CF Reactor! December 4, 1995 will be remembered in history like Fermi's epochal first fission pile at the U of Chicago. On this date a group of unaffiliated scientists witnessed a demonstration of the 1.3 kW steady-state 'CF' reactor produced by CETI Inc. under the Patterson Power Cell[TM] patents, which included a simultaneously-operated control demonstration that should silence all critical objections, and by any reasonable scientific criterion produces 960 times more thermal energy than electric energy consumed. Specifically the 'active' electrolytic cell used a 1.4 Watt input (namely 0.18 Amps at 8 Volts) and caused a full 16 degrees Centigrade rise in the temperature of water flowing at the rate of 1.2 liters/sec (i.e. 1,344 Watts). The outside witnesses consisted of Hal Fox, President of the Fusion Information Center, and his 6 guests, which included Jed Rothwell of 'Infinite Energy' Magazine (available in US & Canada for only $29.95 [or $49.95 other foreign] for 6 issues from Cold Fusion Technology, P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816; credit card orders OK at 603-228-4516 or FAX: 603-224-5975 ) which my successor in fusion research at BYU, Steve Jones, has referred to as 'a difficult to get magazine.' Is $29.95 'difficult', Br.Steve? Present at this private preview of the public demonstration to be made before the 14,000 attendees at PowerGen-95 on December 5 were, of course, Dr. James Patterson, inventor, and his grandson Jim Reding, President of CETI Inc. The setup was explained and questions fielded by Dr. Dennis Cravens, who answered every question asked except one pertaining to a technical improvement (now patent pending) in the internal details in comparison to the demonstration made at SOFE (which has been independently replicated by graduate students of Dr. George Miley, Editor-in-Chief of the American Nuclear Society's journal 'Fusion Technology'). Except for this one novel improvement, all details were similar to those disclosed in the 4 issued patents and previous news releases. But this new wrinkle has improved the 'gain' from 80-to-1 to 960-to-1! Dennis Cravens admitted that 'CF' is a generic term, and that if e.g. Hal Puthoff is right about ZPF energy, the excess energy need not be nuclear. If Steven Jones really is curious about the source of the energy, he can easily get an R&D license from CETI and at VERY nominal cost BYU can acquire a working unit with which to experiment -- so if he truly wants to know whether the 'ash' is nuclear or chemical or non-existent [if Puthoff is right], then he should put his fine institution's money where his mouth is. My personal speculation is that the nickel lattice is catalyzing the fusion of two protons into a deuteron plus a positron [soon annihilated by collision with an electron, making a photon]; when I asked Jim Reding "Supposing that the reaction is nuclear, how long would you have to run this cell before the build-up of heavy water would become easily measurable?" he replied: "We are leaving that calculation to people like you to figure out." At one point Dennis wrote on the board symbols indicating that if one started with a spin-aligned proton-plus-Lithium-7 pair (i.e. used magnetically-polarized fuel), then there is an enhanced probability of fusion to yield an excited Beryllium nucleus, which spontaneously decays into two alpha-particles (helium-4 nuclei), but it was not clear from his amused expression whether he was giving us slow learners a hint, or simply tweaking the competition with deliberate disinformation. (He _has_ previously published articles about spin-polarization enhancement in Hal Fox's 'FUSION FACTS' newsletter [(801) 583-6232], mentioning that this is a known concept in hot fusion circles, so I surmise he was serious.) On seeing the setup operating with my own eyes, and excluding the far-fetched possibility of deliberate fraud, i.e. accepting the readings from the multimeters and other instruments as valid, the hypothesis of experimental error or accidental self-deception seems to me absurdly remote. (I am aware that the late genius Richard Feynman correctly stated that the easiest person to fool is yourself, but Dennis Cravens has already demonstrated ability in CF experiments that make the 'experts' at the ivy-league universities look like lazy fumblers: I well remember that at ICCF4 in Hawaii, Martin Fleischmann stated publicly that his personal nomination for best experimental paper of the year would go to Dennis, and that if all the 'established' experts who claimed inability to replicate the original F&P experiments really wanted to know how to do it, they should just go and ask Dennis!) The much-discussed pump was circulating water through two parallel vertical columns; we twice measured that 300 milliliters of water was being pumped through each columnar cell in 15 seconds, making 1.2 liters/minute. The control cell was drawing 1.6 Watts (specifically, 0.33 Amps at 4.75 Volts) and contained what was called '10-shot' metallic beads. The rise in temperature of the water through the control cell was a paltry 2.6 degrees Centigrade. CETI would not comment on any improvements to the cell design or the beads contained inside the cell. All that was said was that the active cell contained "less than 40 milligrams of metal" which was not specified. As mentioned above, the active cell was drawing 1.4 Watts (namely 0.18 Amps at 8 Volts), and so [using the standard specific heat conversion factor of 69.8] if one multiplies 16 degrees Centigrade by 1.2 liters/minute one gets 1.344 kiloWatts of thermal output. Dividing 1,344 by 1.4 yields a 'gain' of 960! Skeptics who want to whine that power is sneaking from one end of the table, where the pump motor is running, all the way to the active column and somehow influencing the active cell but not the immediately adjacent parallel control cell should explain the miracle of 'selective sneaking'. However, to give the Devil's Advocate his due, the witnesses noted that the _total_ power involved in the entire experiment, pump and both cells and all, was only 84 Watts, so the _skeptics' gain_ may be defined as 1,344 divided by 84, namely 16-to-1, which is still a remarkable technological breakthrough any way you want to think about it! I had to leave before CETI handed out the new Literature Package to be given away at the public demonstration the next day. However, CETI's phone number is 214-458-7620 and their FAX is 213-458-7690 and for serious inquirers their latest ad states that they have 'corporate and technology video now available.' When some of Hal Fox's guests started talking business, Jed Rothwell & I, though grateful for an historical invite, excused ourselves. However, I believe that this preview-demonstration was one of the high points of my 65 years on planet Earth -- as memorable as when I met Einstein at a 1950 Rhodes Scholars' sailing party! Bob Bass -- Dr. Robert W. Bass, Registered Patent Agent 29,130 [ex-prof Physics] Inventor: Topolotron, Plasmasphere, issued; QRT ColdFusion, pending P.O. Box 6337, Thousand Oaks, CA 91359-6337 Voice-Mail: (818) 377-4471 e-Mail: rbrtbass@ix.netcom.com -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 18:18:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA19729 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.net (root@phoenix.phoenix.net [199.3.232.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA19712 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rumgod.phoenix.net (dial28.phoenix.net [199.3.234.63]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA26901 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:17:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:17:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199601190217.UAA26901@phoenix.net> X-Sender: rumgod@phoenix.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.411 From: rumgod@phoenix.net (A J Interests, Inc) Subject: Re: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I guessed I missed the beginning of this thread, but what is RV or RVing? thanks..Art >>I don't personally think my RV teams would be interested in any experiment >>which intentionally set out to produce negative results. Positive feedback >>is a "must' for RVers. > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 20:34:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA11302 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA11261 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:33:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601190433.UAA11261@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Thu, 18 Jan 96 23:32 EST X-Sender: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:43:38 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, ace.of.spades@heartbeat.org X-UIDL: 834952770.412 From: Matt Mahoney Subject: fnrg: HoverTec Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 11:14 AM 1/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >>From: Brent Davidson >>To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" >>Subject: Hovertec? >>Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:52:23 -0600 >> > >> Not to totally discount Hovertec, they did have one very interesting = >>concept. They had designed a system that modified the cyclotron concept = >>of ions rotating in a magnetic field to be used for magnetic levitation. = >> The device called a "hoverpod" consisted of an ion generator, magnetic = >>coil to cause the ions to rotate and form "ion shells" and a HV charged = >>plate to repell the "shells" away from the pod. They proposed using = >>induction to control all the rotational speed of all the ions in the = >>containment field. This idea does have a solid foundation and could be = >>made to work. If anyone want's more information, I can make their = >>original artical and drawings available. Hi, can you send me some more information on this? Thank you. -Matt ------------------------------------------ E-Mail: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Address: Matt Mahoney 58 Hollow Rock Trail Rochester, NY 14612-2223 ------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 21:57:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA12651 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:37:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12558 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA00154 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:34:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:34:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199601190134.CAA00154@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.413 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion WEb site !Check this out ! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, check out this new 1 KW Cold Fusion experiments with pictures on this web site: http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan/photocaps.html Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 22:10:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA17264 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA17158 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from t3.dialup.peg.apc.org (t3.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.131]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id HAA07372 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:50:20 +1000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:50:20 +1000 Message-Id: <199601182150.HAA07372@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.414 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: Re[2]: fnrg: DOUSING, PENDULUMS, SURGING: = clairsent Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi there, > > I'm new in the group. I have a silly question... what is RV? > > thank you > > > Ismael Flores > > floresi1@westat.com > It's short for "Remote Viewing" which is an intelligence gathering process unconnected with intelligence gathered by the usual 5 human senses. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 22:16:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA11319 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA10974; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA00127; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:27:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:27:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199601190127.CAA00127@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.415 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newbian Question Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 18:39 18.01.1996 EST, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > > > Hi Folks! > > I am a newbie to the list, and it seems to me that there are a lot of >people on here that really keep up with the free energy technology. I have a >few files of my own, and two designs have stuck in my mind for some years now. > Do any of you know what became of DePalma's N-machine? Has anyone here >tried to verify his technology? Well, I visited Bruce de Palma in 1987, when he still lived in Mentecito, Santa Barbara. He treid to show overunity but did not suceed. The only thing he got was an incrmental output power higher than the additional input power. But that could also have been due to nonlinear brush resistance, when drawing power from the unit. Also the sunburst test from earleir years had a few erorrs and could not have been duplicated by others. I know a few guys over here in Germany who really spend a fortune on trying to build N-machines and they all failed and only got close to 100 % efficiency. If I have my Free Energy WEB server online soon (as soon as the German Telekom will finally get us the ISDN line done !!! :( ) I will post a few results on N-machine research results also there. > I think there was a guy named Tewari in India >who supposedly had some success with the idea. Any info? He also only measured incremental power ratios and could not show a self running device. He also did not realize, that the brushes could have a nonlinear resistance, when current is drawn.... > Also, I recall that a fellow named Paul Brown experimented with a device >known as the Nucell (variation of the Hubbard coil, uses Strontium 90). Any >info? Nothing came forward from this invention so far, what I have heard... It is a long time ago, that he claimed to have something , at least about 7 to 8 years ago, nothing heard anymore from him during the last years and I read a lot ! Regards, Stefan. > Thanks for the text space. I really enjoy the list! - Brian > > QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu > > "If all else fails, write a book about it!!" > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 22:47:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA04178 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix1.utm.edu (unix1.utm.edu [192.239.144.18]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04045 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup02.utm.edu by unix1.utm.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA48514; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:22:46 -0600 Message-Id: <30FE82AD.816@UTM.Edu> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:26:05 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.416 From: Mark Mansfield Organization: Univ. of Tenn at Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: markman@UTM.Edu Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions References: <199601180509.VAA14785@mail.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Gary Hawkins wrote: > > I thought MHD was where salt water was forced through pipes by > magnetic fields applied. Flame introduced to the equation is one > I hadn't heard. Not seeing why seeding flame with a conductive > material would be necessary, because it is indeed quite conductive > by itself. Are you sure there isn't another name for this? > There is a article in a older issue of Popular Electronics or Radio- Electronics, that describes how to build a small, simple MHD using a small blow torch and magnets and electrodes and a seeding method that applies a salt solution into the flame. I'll dig it out and give you specifics on the article. It was quite a interesting article. Mark From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 22:48:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA02097 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02080 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:46:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601190646.WAA02080@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:26:22 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.417 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold Fusion WEb site !Check this out ! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:34 AM 1/19/96 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >check out this new 1 KW Cold Fusion experiments with >pictures on this web site: > >http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan/photocaps.html > That's pretty good, showing some real work going on. Unfortunately I have become what I once despised. They are going to have to drag me kicking and screaming to the alter of belief, because I've seen so many puffs in the sky just dissipate into nothingness. Is it overunity? Heavy water costs a bit, and so does platinum, palladium and nickel. Kicking myself for being so skeptical, but I want to see a clean device powering itself and able to drive a load steadily. If this is it, fantastic. In the meantime, my acceptance is quarantined under heavy guard, while it recovers from previous smoke damage. Also see: http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan/ Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 23:13:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA05376 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA05350 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:12:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601190712.XAA05350@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:51:40 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.418 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Newbian Question Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >> I think there was a guy named Tewari in India >>who supposedly had some success with the idea. Any info? > >He also only measured incremental power ratios and could not show >a self running device. >He also did not realize, that the brushes could have a nonlinear >resistance, when current is drawn.... In the interest of clearing up some of the basics, simply for those who are not too familiar with N-Machines: They are capable of delivering thousands of amps, as long as the load is practically nil. As soon as a light bulb, with a resistance of maybe 80 ohms on the filament is hooked up, there is no getting around the need for 120 volts or so to get performance out of it. An N-Machine simply cannot supply much voltage, so current drops in accordance with Ohm's Law right quick like. On the other hand, as Faraday found, is it not indeed odd that spinning a disk next to a magnet produces current in the disk but spinning the magnet with the disk held still produces none. In an N-Machine, both are spun at the same time to try to tap in to a lack of back EMF. If nothing else, N-Machine type units are said to be used by the military for certain applications, or in aluminum processing where a solution is extremely low in resistance, and massive amperage is needed to remove the aluminum from the ore. But beyond this, from the above, a simple conclusion is that the magnetic field of a magnet spinning on it own axis -- *does NOT spin with it*. A tad spooky. And no one seems to know why. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 18 23:43:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA09863 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA09834 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id CAA20198; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:33:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:33:30 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.419 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, ace.of.spades@heartbeat.org Subject: Re: fnrg: HoverTec In-Reply-To: <199601190433.UAA11261@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >> Not to totally discount Hovertec, they did have one very interesting = > >>concept. They had designed a system that modified the cyclotron concept = > >>of ions rotating in a magnetic field to be used for magnetic levitation. = > >> The device called a "hoverpod" consisted of an ion generator, magnetic = > >>coil to cause the ions to rotate and form "ion shells" and a HV charged = > >>plate to repell the "shells" away from the pod. They proposed using = > >>induction to control all the rotational speed of all the ions in the = > >>containment field. This idea does have a solid foundation and could be = > >>made to work. If anyone want's more information, I can make their = > >>original artical and drawings available. > > Hi, can you send me some more information on this? Thank you. Charles From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 01:23:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA20796 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20786 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from t12.dialup.peg.apc.org (t12.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.140]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id UAA26768 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:20:28 +1000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:20:28 +1000 Message-Id: <199601191020.UAA26768@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.420 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: 3D-Holography Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Just re-reading Bills article on hand drawn holograms. Reminded me of a strange visual effect which I am unable to explain. Try this: Sit in front of a TV set....preferably a program which has distant objects such as an outdoor scene......cross your eyes so that 2 distinct images appear...then...."focus on one of the images only". The image appears to be in 3D. Several friends have tried this...same effect. It may be an illusion or it may be the rods and cones getting slightly different info from the picture...maybe on a time-delay basis caused by lighter and darker colours. If this effect in fact exists....it may be possible to replicate it by optical means. Seems to me that there could be a highly marketable product here. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 01:25:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA20985 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20973; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:23:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:23:10 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.421 From: Tony Rusi To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold Fusion WEb site !Check this out ! In-Reply-To: <199601190646.WAA02080@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > At 02:34 AM 1/19/96 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >check out this new 1 KW Cold Fusion experiments with > >pictures on this web site: > > > >http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan/photocaps.html > > > > That's pretty good, showing some real work going on. Unfortunately > I have become what I once despised. They are going to have to > drag me kicking and screaming to the alter of belief, because I've seen so > many puffs in the sky just dissipate into nothingness. > > Is it overunity? Heavy water costs a bit, and so does platinum, palladium > and nickel. > > Kicking myself for being so skeptical, but I want to see a clean device > powering itself and able to drive a load steadily. > > If this is it, fantastic. In the meantime, my acceptance is quarantined > under heavy guard, while it recovers from previous smoke damage. > > Also see: > > http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan/ > > Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > With this kind of heat gain. Any mechanical engineer should be able to employ thermocouples or a stirling engine with an alternator or generator and disconnect the CETI cell from all external power sources. The failure of the group to do so is well, less than exciting. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 01:40:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA22247 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA22233; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:38:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.422 From: Tony Rusi To: Mark Mansfield cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, markman@UTM.Edu Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions In-Reply-To: <30FE82AD.816@UTM.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mark Mansfield wrote: > Gary Hawkins wrote: > > > > I thought MHD was where salt water was forced through pipes by > > magnetic fields applied. Flame introduced to the equation is one > > I hadn't heard. Not seeing why seeding flame with a conductive > > material would be necessary, because it is indeed quite conductive > > by itself. Are you sure there isn't another name for this? > > > > There is a article in a older issue of Popular Electronics or Radio- > Electronics, that describes how to build a small, simple MHD using a > small blow torch and magnets and electrodes and a seeding method that > applies a salt solution into the flame. I'll dig it out and give you > specifics on the article. It was quite a interesting article. > > Mark > Please, please, definitely track down this reference and e-mail it to ASAP. Thank you very much. Tony Rusi From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 03:06:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA03148 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA03108 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p2.aa.net (s3c0p2.aa.net [204.157.220.134]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA05725 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:04:04 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601191104.DAA05725@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:03:33 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.423 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: 3D-Holography Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:20 PM 1/19/96 +1000, you wrote: > >Just re-reading Bills article on hand drawn holograms. Reminded me of a >strange visual effect which I am unable to explain. > >Try this: Sit in front of a TV set....preferably a program which has >distant objects such as an outdoor scene......cross your eyes so that 2 >distinct images appear...then...."focus on one of the images only". > >The image appears to be in 3D. Several friends have tried this...same effect. >It may be an illusion or it may be the rods and cones getting slightly >different info from the picture...maybe on a time-delay basis caused by >lighter and darker colours. > >If this effect in fact exists....it may be possible to replicate it by >optical means. Seems to me that there could be a highly marketable product here. > > >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND GROUP its known. its being used. lot of patents surround the area. uses projection of two images at alternate times at slightly different camera angles through the monitor. special glasses are used to entrain the eye, then you can see it without the glasses but with glasses, the effect is phenomenal. I've staired up the ass-end of a 3d ladybug on a 20 inch high resolution monitor. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 04:58:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA12771 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 04:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA12763 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 04:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from t27.dialup.peg.apc.org (t27.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.155]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id XAA25600 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:57:14 +1000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:57:14 +1000 Message-Id: <199601191357.XAA25600@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.424 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: 3D-Holography Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 08:20 PM 1/19/96 +1000, you wrote: >> >>Just re-reading Bills article on hand drawn holograms. Reminded me of a >>strange visual effect which I am unable to explain. >> >>Try this: Sit in front of a TV set....preferably a program which has >>distant objects such as an outdoor scene......cross your eyes so that 2 >>distinct images appear...then...."focus on one of the images only". >> >>The image appears to be in 3D. Several friends have tried this...same effect. >>It may be an illusion or it may be the rods and cones getting slightly >>different info from the picture...maybe on a time-delay basis caused by >>lighter and darker colours. >> >>If this effect in fact exists....it may be possible to replicate it by >>optical means. Seems to me that there could be a highly marketable product >here. >> >> >>Jim Francis >>AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND GROUP > > >its known. its being used. lot of patents surround the area. uses >projection of two images at alternate times at slightly different camera >angles through the monitor. special glasses are used to entrain the eye, >then you can see it without the glasses but with glasses, the effect is >phenomenal. I've staired up the ass-end of a 3d ladybug on a 20 inch high >resolution monitor. >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher Michael...I'm familiar with alternate 3D image projection. The effect I'm referring to works off a standard 2D TV program...there is no (conventional) 3D component in these programs. The effect is quite strange...and is obviously a strain on the eyes. If the effect in fact exists, I'm wondering where the 3D information comes from. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 06:53:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA26796 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 06:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA26769 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 06:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA21927 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:43:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA11676; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:53:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:53:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601191453.IAA11676@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.425 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: 3D-Holography Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Michael...I'm familiar with alternate 3D image projection. The effect I'm >referring to works off a standard 2D TV program...there is no (conventional) >3D component in these programs. The effect is quite strange...and is >obviously a strain on the eyes. >If the effect in fact exists, I'm wondering where the 3D information comes from. > >Jim Perhaps it is synthesized in some way by the mind. Synthetic stereo has been around for a number of years, by utilizing a delay effect on one of the channels. This is also used to enhance regular stereo to achieve what is called "ambient stereo", or wide stereo. Not that there is a video delay producing the 3D effect, but just that it may be possible for the mind to synthesize it. I have seen it (also with still photos, as in books) and it IS strange to the eye! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 07:13:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA29816 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA29807 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA28106; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:13:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:13:27 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.426 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Radio Freqs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: Ray Berry Subject: Re: fnrg: Radio Freqs To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:00:54 -0800 (PST) > > Off-the-wall question here: No kidding. Try posting your question in rec.radio.scanner. PS My articles don't show the senders email address, or I would have replied directly and not wasted further bandwidth here. Anybody now how to correct that? -- Ray Berry kb7ht rjberry@eskimo.com Bellevue, WA /* inquire within */ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 07:41:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA04454 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA04437 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id HAA00960; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:41:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:41:31 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.427 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: n-machine In-Reply-To: <199601190712.XAA05350@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > They are capable of delivering thousands of amps, as long as > the load is practically nil. As soon as a light bulb, with a > resistance of maybe 80 ohms on the filament is hooked up, > there is no getting around the need for 120 volts or so to > get performance out of it. An N-Machine simply cannot > supply much voltage, so current drops in accordance with > Ohm's Law right quick like. If you apply AC to the spinning n-machine electromagnet instead of DC, the gigantic amperage output is AC. Then you just pass your 2" buss bar through the core of a big transformer (as if it were a one-turn coil) and wind as many turns as necessary on the secondary. I think there is a patent on this idea. But I've heard nothing about it, so it probably doesn't give simple, obvious overunity. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 09:23:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA21377 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA21342 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:22:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601191722.JAA21342@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:48:27 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.428 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: 3D-Holography Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:53 AM 1/19/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >>Michael...I'm familiar with alternate 3D image projection. The effect I'm >>referring to works off a standard 2D TV program...there is no (conventional) >>3D component in these programs. The effect is quite strange...and is >>obviously a strain on the eyes. >>If the effect in fact exists, I'm wondering where the 3D information comes from. >> >>Jim > >Perhaps it is synthesized in some way by the mind. That's true with the "Magic Eye" images: http://cswww2.essex.ac.uk/users/malldx/magiceye.html The official Magic Eye 3-D images on the web are in the process of moving, so they aren't on there right now, but the above URL has some. Bill has a collection of info on things similar to his holograms. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 10:26:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA03453 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsvr1.soar.com (comsvr1.soar.com [204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA03404 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:26:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601191826.KAA03404@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem003.soar.com (204.200.8.56) by comsvr1.soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.50) with SMTP id ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:26:11 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.429 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:29:29 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions X-Confirm-Reading-To: "William V. Adams" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mark Mansfield wrote: > > > Gary Hawkins wrote: > > > > > > I thought MHD was where salt water was forced through pipes by > > > magnetic fields applied. > > > > > > > There is a article in a older issue of Popular Electronics or > > Radio- Electronics, that describes how to build a small, simple > > MHD using a small blow torch and magnets and electrodes and a > > seeding method that applies a salt solution into the flame. I'll > > dig it out and give you specifics on the article. It was quite a > > interesting article. > > > > Mark > > > Please, please, definitely track down this reference and e-mail it > to ASAP. > > Thank you very much. > > Tony Rusi > Mark I would like to have a copy of the MINI-MHD article also!!! I have been trying to hunt this one down for months now also. Tony what is your interest/research/experiments in the MHD area. I have two articles on MHD from Popular Science: March 1974 vol.204, No.3 page 86. by Edward Edelson MHD Generators: super blowtorches deliver more power with less fuel August 1978 vol.213,No.2 page 76 by Peter Britton MHD generators-more kilowatts from a ton of coal ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 10:58:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09196 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09179 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA04829; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:54:01 -0500 Date: 19 Jan 96 13:33:29 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.430 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion Message-ID: <960119183329_76216.2421_HHB62-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Gary - You wrote: >"With this kind of heat gain. Any mechanical engineer >should be able to employ thermocouples or a stirling >engine with an alternator or generator and disconnect >the CETI cell from all external power sources. The failure >of the group to do so is well, less than exciting." My understanding on this is that hooking output to input gets you the boot from the patent office. If word of them doing this gets out, it could hurt them there, and their ability to commercialize the gizmos will depend in part on being on very solid ground with their patents. Can you really get 180ma current out of a 16 degree difference in water temp anyway? I'm not doubting the net energy figures or the OU, just wondering if the technology exists to unambiguously pull enough energy out of such a small differential to make a self-sustainer out of it. For some reason nitinol comes to mind... - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 11:55:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA18760 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.best.com (mailx.best.com [204.156.128.56]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18724 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA17497; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:57:18 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:57:18 GMT X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.431 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold Fusion Cc: 76216.2421@compuserve.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There is a demo of a working cold fusion device this Saturday at the Marriott at the Kendall Square subway station, across the street from MIT. The ad for the meeting is on www.padrak.com/ine/ To bad Nature doesn't care what we think. The US Patent Office seems to be a front for others who would do the same thing elsewhere and patent it there. Airfares are cheap these days. Have fun. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 17:41:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA19685 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19658 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa12666; 19 Jan 96 18:27 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa00749; 19 Jan 96 18:26 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk by abwillms.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA822074279 ; Fri, 19 Jan 96 17:57:59 GMT Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.432 From: "Alaric B. Williams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:57:43 +0000 Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat field distortions Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <822075975.749.0@abwillms.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:21:58 +0800 > To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com > From: Gary Hawkins > Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat field distortions > Reply-to: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > Hmmp. Maybe one side of a capacitor charged with > high voltage DC is cooler than the other. > > The positive lead of a high voltage power supply is > temperature again, then place a neodymium magnet near it > and again read the temperature. Lasers can be used to cool gases, oddly enough - just by applying 'photon pressure', apparently. I can't remember the details; perhaps a hard laser would lock the atoms in position (to within zero point, anyway...). But hard lasers are dangerous :-) how would you contain the far end of the beam without it turning your lab into frozen plasma, eh? > Apply the principle to keeping transistors cool if it works, > and presto, couple of bucks there at least. The technique of using lasers is/is about to be applied in the semiconductor industry to shove metal ions etc. into place on the surface of chips, I read somewhere... ABW --- Forwards, he cried, from the rear - and the front ranks died.... The general sat, and the lines on the map, move from side to side... Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' Alaric B. Williams From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 18:18:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA26353 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26322 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip128.vvm.com (slip128.vvm.com [204.71.94.38]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA08111 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:52:41 -0600 Received: by slip128.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE6AB.2C693B40@slip128.vvm.com>; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:17:36 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAE6AB.2C693B40@slip128.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.433 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Hovertec Info Ready!!!!!! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:10:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A I finally have found the time to finish the hovertec archive. I'have = mailed several copies to those that I had the e-mail addresses of who = had requested it. If you want a copy, send an E-Mail containing your = e-mail address to davidson@vvm.com. For faster processing, put Send = Info in the Subject field. (I have a lot of mail coming through and = this will help me find your request quicker.) Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 21:25:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA05821 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05710 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA00467; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:37:03 -0500 Date: 19 Jan 96 13:33:31 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.437 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960119183331_76216.2421_HHB62-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Has anyone seen the "mystery inductor" in the All Electronics catalogs? Apparently it's one of the odd surplus items they acquire from time to time. Here's the text from one of the catalogs: ---------------------------------------- > MYSTERY INDUCTOR >Different from any inductor we've ever seen before, >becasue the coil is capped by a 0.55" diameter X 0.3" >ceramic magnet. There are about 17 turns of 20 AWG >on a ferrite core. 1.06" high X 0.6" diameter. Pin >on 0.4" centers. CAT# RC-6 3 for $1.00 ---------------------------------------- It looks about like this in a small drawing next to the text: ____ | | <--magnet | | | | | | <--coil/ferrite / \ |____| | | <- pins Does anybody know why a magnet would be on top of a coil already wrapped on ferrite? Scalar tech in the catalogs already, or just some ordinary inductive effect created in an odd way? Why buck a magnet with a little coil? Calling Tom Bearden... - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 22:23:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA00160 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00140 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:23:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601200623.WAA00140@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:57:14 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.439 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A > ____ > | | <--magnet > | | > | | > | | <--coil/ferrite > / \ > |____| > | | <- pins > >Does anybody know why a magnet would be on top of a coil already wrapped on >ferrite? Scalar tech in the catalogs already, or just some ordinary inductive >effect created in an odd way? Why buck a magnet with a little coil? Calling Tom >Bearden... > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > There ya go, call Tom. The fellow who built that Hendershot generator in the picture I posted, built what he called a scalar wave generator where coils of wire wrapped on ferrites were capped with ceramic magnets (there an echo in here?). He said it cooled down when he ran it. (I'm trying to get him on the Net, and this is the first place I'll send him). He's worried about viruses. Anyone heard any horror stories about them. I have not. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 23:31:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA07612 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:31:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA07592 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:31:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601200731.XAA07592@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2132; Sat, 20 Jan 96 02:32:19 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6286; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:32:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 02:18:12 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.440 From: Brian Subject: fnrg: Nucell Battery To: FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks guys for the update on N machines.... One of you asked for more info about the Nucell Battery that Paul Brown was working on. Well, from what I have read on the subject, the technology was quite conventional. A Strontium 90 (radioactive) ribbon was used as a source of high speed electrons. These electrons impacted a thin metal coil which was part of an oscillator (LC circuit). The impacting electrons performed two functions: 1) as electrons impacted the inductor, the sudden decrease in their velo- city cause an electromagnetic wave to be emitted at the resonant frequency of the LC circuit, causing oscillations to build up in the circuit. 2) The ecess charges which accumulated on the surface of the inductor supposedly provided an amplification of the RF current in the inductor. This was called the Beta-Voltaic effect. I got my info from a place called Rex Research. They have a lot of neat files on stuff that is out of the ordinary. Part of the documention included a letter from Paul Brown detailing the harassment and death threats he has endured since the Nucell's invention. Hope this sparks someone into more research!! See Ya! - Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 19 23:43:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA08993 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08984; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:43:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:43:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.441 From: Tony Rusi To: "William V. Adams" cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions In-Reply-To: <199601191826.KAA03404@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, William V. Adams wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mark Mansfield wrote: > > > > > Gary Hawkins wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought MHD was where salt water was forced through pipes by > > > > magnetic fields applied. > > > > > > > > > > There is a article in a older issue of Popular Electronics or > > > Radio- Electronics, that describes how to build a small, simple > > > MHD using a small blow torch and magnets and electrodes and a > > > seeding method that applies a salt solution into the flame. I'll > > > dig it out and give you specifics on the article. It was quite a > > > interesting article. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > Please, please, definitely track down this reference and e-mail it > > to ASAP. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Tony Rusi > > > Mark I would like to have a copy of the MINI-MHD article also!!! > I have been trying to hunt this one down for months now also. > > Tony what is your interest/research/experiments in the MHD area. > > I have two articles on MHD from Popular Science: > March 1974 vol.204, No.3 page 86. > by Edward Edelson > MHD Generators: super blowtorches deliver more power with less fuel > > August 1978 vol.213,No.2 page 76 > by Peter Britton > MHD generators-more kilowatts from a ton of coal > ========================================================= > ~<:-?) > feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux > William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com > 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 > Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. > ========================================================== > In my research on the background material for Dr. Leik Myrabo's Lightcraft concept, (see Pop. Mech. sept 95 p 44, Christian Science Monitor july 25, 95 p 12, Av. Wk May 15, 95 p 66, AIAA 95-2893, 95-2575, 94-2451, 94-2924, and SPIE paper No 2557-26) I came across a july 1961 American Rocket Society Journal article titled "Propulsion system using a cavity reactor and Magnetohydrodynamic Generator" by R. J. Rosa. Rosa roughly outlines a nuclear MHD rocket capable of sustained 1G acceleration. At one g it takes 25 hrs to hit 186,000 mi/sec. I've heard USAF is working on a new nuke rocket code named "timberwind". Rosa's 1960 beast was 100 tons give or take 30 depending on if a cryo system for the copper feild coil worked out. Myrabo's concept is pretty simple, chem rockets are 90% fuel mass, so don't carry fuel. Near 100% payload sounds good to me, so he proposes beaming energy to the craft as MW microwave or laser energy. Part of his electrical conversion system is MHD generators. He's also got a concept for post mach 3 propulsion he calls an MHD airturborocket. Basically the turbine blades are plasma wings that arc over the external surface of a Silicon/carbon composite skinned helium balloon that roughly weighs as much as a car and is about thirty feet in diameter and hauls four people anywhere on the planet in 45 minutes and can do direct acceleration/decceleration flights to the moon in 5.5 hours, 3 days to Mars etc. etc. etc. Directed energy is also used to manipulate the shock wave made by the craft in the atmosphere to keep max drag at near mach 3 levels. Of course Myrabo's got four superconducting coils setting up a feild to protect Ma and Pa Kettle-Jetson and the tykes. Megawatts of microwaves and ugly ugly bags of mostly water don`t mix well. As a budding build-your-own interstellar directed-energy space- craft in your carport kind of guy, I figured I'd better bone up on MHD`s. Thanks for asking! Tony Rusi What are you doing? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 01:03:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA17876 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsvr1.soar.com (comsvr1.soar.com [204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA17866 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:03:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601200903.BAA17866@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem007.soar.com (204.200.8.60) by comsvr1.soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.50) with SMTP id ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:03:15 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.442 From: "William V. Adams" To: Mark Mansfield Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:26:38 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions CC: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: "William V. Adams" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > William V. Adams wrote: > > > > Mark I would like to have a copy of the MINI-MHD article also!!! I > > have been trying to hunt this one down for months now also. > > I have two articles on MHD from Popular Science: > > March 1974 vol.204, No.3 page 86. > > by Edward Edelson > > MHD Generators: super blowtorches deliver more power with less > > fuel > > > > August 1978 vol.213,No.2 page 76 > > by Peter Britton > > MHD generators-more kilowatts from a ton of coal > > Ok William, > I'll try and make a copy and drop it to you in the mail. I'd try and > scan them in and make them available for everyone except these > things are copyrighted which means I can't publish them or copy > them. Any ideas how to get them to others? > > Mark > Mark I would suggest you talk to your head/research Libraian and find out how they can take that same article and copy it and then send it to you through InterLibrary Loan. They would probably know what the legality of this is. Does anyone else on the list know about the legality of these things??? ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 01:26:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA21616 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.9.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA21590 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id EAA04188; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 04:23:33 -0500 Date: 20 Jan 96 04:18:57 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.443 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960120091856_76216.2421_HHB39-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Gary - >There ya go, call Tom. The fellow who built that Hendershot >generator in the picture I posted, built what he called a scalar >wave generator where coils of wire wrapped on ferrites were >capped with ceramic magnets (there an echo in here?). I find this very odd becasue although I follow this stuff vigorously now, in the back of my mind I'm still prepared to find out that any or all of these OU or Scalar gizmos are uh...well, you know. But then there's something like that that was actually manufactured and sold for some purpose and they end up on the scrap/surplus market. Hmm... Happen to know Tom's e-mail address? >He's worried about viruses. Tell your friend to scan any executable files he downloads, not to worry so much, and get in here. Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 10:43:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA06442 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rt66.com (mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA06422 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.59.162.30] (pma10.rt66.com) by Rt66.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04863; Sat, 20 Jan 96 11:37:12 MST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:43:56 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.445 From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin) Subject: fnrg: Send Hovertec Info Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: to... richard@rt66.com Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal "Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design" Sing, Dance, Laugh, and Play... Have You Had Your Quota Today? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 11:53:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA17143 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17098 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ac21307; 19 Jan 96 19:21 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa00740; 19 Jan 96 18:26 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk by abwillms.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA822074280 ; Fri, 19 Jan 96 17:58:00 GMT Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.446 From: "Alaric B. Williams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:57:43 +0000 Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <822075975.740.0@abwillms.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I don't know if the meters > can even do that for any length of time! Does anyone know the > answer? Also, when the electric company is out of business, > what do we do with the old meters? And the people who used to > have a job building meters? Ah well, I guess that their > unemployment benefits can be paid out of the money generated by > recycling all the copper in the transmission lines! Curiosity: What would the power companies do if everyone pumped out electricity, so they had no users for it? They'd shut down their plants, but would the resistive load on the line just rise so everyone's energy machines stop, which I'm sure would be illegal on the part of the utility, or would they be forced to shunt it off into space as EM or something???? Store it somewhere???? ABW --- Forwards, he cried, from the rear - and the front ranks died.... The general sat, and the lines on the map, move from side to side... Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' Alaric B. Williams From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 17:03:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA27311 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27298 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id RAA24197; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:01:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.447 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor In-Reply-To: <960119183331_76216.2421_HHB62-2@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 19 Jan 1996, Rick Monteverde wrote: > Has anyone seen the "mystery inductor" in the All Electronics catalogs? > Apparently it's one of the odd surplus items they acquire from time to time. > Here's the text from one of the catalogs: > > ---------------------------------------- > > MYSTERY INDUCTOR > >Different from any inductor we've ever seen before, > >becasue the coil is capped by a 0.55" diameter X 0.3" > >ceramic magnet. There are about 17 turns of 20 AWG > >on a ferrite core. 1.06" high X 0.6" diameter. Pin > >on 0.4" centers. CAT# RC-6 3 for $1.00 > ---------------------------------------- Cool! I bet it's a fluxgate magnetometer element. If you pump AC into it, the core saturates differently on the + peak than on the - peak, and the distorted voltage waveform can be used to derive the field strength. When external fields are applied, the distortion changes. Either that, or it's for detecting moving iron. If a moving or vibrating iron object (like a spinning gear) comes near it, it distorts the field from the magnet and induces a voltage in the coil. Used for sensing RPM. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 17:08:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA27840 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27828 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id RAA24503; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:06:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:06:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.448 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Bedini! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: John Bedini is online. However, he doesn't want to be swamped with mail, so he doesn't want his addr published here. Anyone wanting to send him messages can send them to bilb@eskimo.com with "bedini" in the subject line, and I'll forward them. (I'm hoping he'll enjoy the conversations and let down his guard a bit.) ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 23:02:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA11543 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA11534 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-7.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-7.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.7]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA03666 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:59:27 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601210659.RAA03666@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.449 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:01:35 +0900 Subject: Re: fnrg: Hovertec Info Ready!!!!!! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 19 Jan 96 at 20:10, Brent Davidson wrote: > I finally have found the time to finish the hovertec archive. I'have mailed several copies to those that I had the e-mail addresses of who had requested it. If you want a copy, send an E-Mail con > aining your e-mail address to davidson@vvm.com. For faster processing, put Send Info in the Subject field. (I have a lot of mail coming through and this will help me find your request quicker.) > > Thanks, > Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) > > Brent, Don't you have a Web page where you could post this info, and then let the group know where it is? Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 20 23:02:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA11553 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA11542 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-7.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-7.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.7]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA03671 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:59:31 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601210659.RAA03671@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.450 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:01:35 +0900 Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 19 Jan 96 at 23:43, Tony Rusi wrote: [snip] > American Rocket Society Journal article titled "Propulsion system using a > cavity reactor and Magnetohydrodynamic Generator" by R. J. Rosa. Rosa > roughly outlines a nuclear MHD rocket capable of sustained 1G > acceleration. At one g it takes 25 hrs to hit 186,000 mi/sec. I've heard Even ignoring SR, that should be about 347 days, not 25 hrs. [snip] Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 00:00:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA17481 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [198.4.9.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA17465 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id CAA27465; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 02:59:21 -0500 Date: 21 Jan 96 02:57:37 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.451 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960121075736_76216.2421_HHB22-3@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill - >Cool! I bet it's a fluxgate magnetometer element. If you pump AC into >it, the core saturates differently on the + peak than on the - peak, and >the distorted voltage waveform can be used to derive the field strength. >When external fields are applied, the distortion changes. Oh, so it's part of a UFO detector array then. I just knew there had to be a more prosaic and less scalar explanation. No, wait - a 3-D mouse! An aray of 'em, or...ok, you wear a glove with little magnets on the fingers ...no - a metal detector for treasure hunting! Oooh - a narrow-beam scalar metal detector with great detection depth even on small objects, tuned to the ionic resonant frequency of gold... I'd better order some of those. Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 00:09:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA18689 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18680 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma7-06.ix.netcom.com by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA18870; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:08:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:08:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199601210808.AAA18870@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.452 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:57 PM 1/19/96 +0000, you wrote: >> recycling all the copper in the transmission lines! I just got back from the Cold Fusion Symposium. It was a general consensus that the power companies will be gone within 25 years. BTW Chris Tinsley actual took the Sciex Magnet Powered Scooter for a spin. He put the bike through severe acceleration and braking for 30 minutes. At the end of the ride, the brakes were hot but the motor was cool. It was theorized that the motor was non linear because the 30,000 gauss magnets exceeded the 20,000 gauss saturation level of the iron armature. The 4 motorcycle sized gel batteries measured the full 12.8 volts at the end of the ride. Also, the chap who developed the 3 Tesla magnet material claims to have a dielectric capable of 2 farads at 25 volts in one cubic centimeter. >Curiosity: What would the power companies do if everyone pumped out >electricity, so they had no users for it? They'd shut down their >plants, but would the resistive load on the line just rise so >everyone's energy machines stop, which I'm sure would be illegal on >the part of the utility, or would they be forced to shunt it off into >space as EM or something???? Store it somewhere???? Arthur C. Clark believes that if we are all tapping the ZPE, we may aggravate the greenhouse effect. Dennis Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 00:15:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA19504 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA19484; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:14:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:14:45 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.453 From: Tony Rusi To: Robin van Spaandonk cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat Field Distortions In-Reply-To: <199601210659.RAA03671@tornado.netspace.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On 19 Jan 96 at 23:43, Tony Rusi wrote: > [snip] > > American Rocket Society Journal article titled "Propulsion system using a > > cavity reactor and Magnetohydrodynamic Generator" by R. J. Rosa. Rosa > > roughly outlines a nuclear MHD rocket capable of sustained 1G > > acceleration. At one g it takes 25 hrs to hit 186,000 mi/sec. I've heard > > Even ignoring SR, that should be about 347 days, not 25 hrs. > > [snip] > Robin van Spaandonk > > Well Steven Forbes is right calculators are making math geniuses of us all. And I've learned a valuable lesson here never do calculations in your head while composing at the keyboard without a calculator. Dependence is wonderful isn't it? but I get 353 days now, probably just round off error, give or take three days big deal, when you're making an 80 year minimum roundtrip to other star systems. As for SR, I wonder if the scientists told Yeager not to ignore SB! I hope you take a look at the references as thouroughly as you checked out the math. Vision is a wonderful thing. In 1958 people who thought we would go to the moon were considered crazy. The will to dare to do great things seems lacking these days. In the meantime beware the light barrier! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 07:18:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA07964 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA07954 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA09854 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:08:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA06078; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:18:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:18:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601211518.JAA06078@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.454 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >He said it cooled down when he ran it. (I'm trying to get him on the Net, >and this is the first place I'll send him). He's worried about viruses. >Anyone heard any horror stories about them. I have not. > >Gary >------------------------------------------------------------- >Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today >http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA I've been on Internet for about a year now, been ftp'ing lots of files. Never picked up a virus yet (fingers crossed!) I personally don't know anyone who has either, or who has admitted to it anyway. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 08:17:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA13330 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix1.utm.edu (unix1.utm.edu [192.239.144.18]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA13315 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup05.utm.edu by unix1.utm.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA51328; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:17:23 -0600 Message-Id: <310267E3.198D@UTM.Edu> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:20:51 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.455 From: Mark Mansfield Organization: Univ. of Tenn at Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: These coils are used in TV sets. Especially the newer ones. Best I remember, they are used to shape the nonlinear waveform to compensate for the deflection of the electron beam in the picture tube. Mark From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 08:25:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA14092 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA14082 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id IAA16035; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:24:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.456 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor In-Reply-To: <199601200623.WAA00140@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > There ya go, call Tom. > The fellow who built that Hendershot generator > in the picture I posted, built what he called a scalar wave generator where > coils of wire wrapped on ferrites were capped with ceramic magnets (there an > echo in here?). > > He said it cooled down when he ran it. (I'm trying to get him on the Net, > and this is the first place I'll send him). He's worried about viruses. > Anyone heard any horror stories about them. I have not. Only stupid virus stories, like "good times." Frank S. says that Boeing was in an uproar about the "good times" virus which is communicable by e-mail. Only trouble is that "good times" is a hoax. It is also an urban legend, so I guess it really is a virus, but one which spreads by email-gossip rather than .exe files, and ignores computers while only infecting the minds of gullible people. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 08:34:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA15136 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15111 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id IAA16389; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:34:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.457 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:16:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > On 19 Jan 1996, Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > Has anyone seen the "mystery inductor" in the All Electronics catalogs? > > Apparently it's one of the odd surplus items they acquire from time to time. > > Here's the text from one of the catalogs: Guitar pickups use a magnet to setup a field in the moving guitar string, and the coil detects this field fluctuation. Maybe it does something similar. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 09:57:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA24812 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA24794 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id JAA20740; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:57:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:57:24 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.458 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Bedini scalar device Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Here's a suggestion for "scalar" experiments from a conversation with John Bedini. Mr. Bedini encourages everyone to try this experiment, but warns us that this device is patent-applied-for, so you should only build a single unit for your own use. I've put this on WEIRD SCIENCE under the construction projects page. - Bill Beaty, 1/21/95 .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page **************************************************************************** EXPERIMENTING WITH SCALAR FIELDS **************************************************************************** _______ |\ \ | \ \ |\ \ \ | \ \ _______\ S \ \ | | Obtain two Radio Shack ceramic magnets and \ \|_______| N glue their north pole faces together. \ | | N \|_______| S _______ Wind the magnets with about 50 turns |\ \\\ \ of #30 magnet wire. Wire gauge is not | \ \\\\ \ critical. |\ \ \\\\ \ | \ \ _\\\\__\ \ \ | |||| | \ \|__||||_| \ | |||| | \|__||||_| \ | ________ | | [ small, ] | -----[ noisy ]----------o | [_motor__] 6v to 12v power supply | |____________________________o The brush noise from the DC motor provides a pulse signal to the coil, which modulates the 'colliding' field pattern of the magnets and creates interesting scalar effects within a narrow pencil-beam pattern which extends from each face of the magnet out to a few inches. _______ |\ \\\ \ | \ \\\\ \ |\ \ \\\\ \ <<<<<<<<<<<\ \ _\\\\__\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scalar effect comes from the <<<<<<<<<<<<<\ | |||| |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joint between magnet faces \ \|__||||_| \ | |||| | \|__||||_| \ | | | | | | | Mr. Bedini suggests these experiments: Purchase two identical music CDs. Listen to both to verify that they are identical. Now let the "scalar beam" play all over the surface of one of the CDs for about one minute. You may want to build a simple rotating platform to make this process more convenient. Now play the two CDs and compare them again. Hear any difference? (Note, this process is patent pending, so do not use it for any other purpose except to demonstrate the reality of the effect) Connect a small probe-coil to an oscilloscope, then move it around in the beam and observe the waveforms. Taste some wine, then put it in a small airtight container and place it against the magnet face for a few (minutes? hours?) Taste it again. Improvements? Try it with and without the power supply connected to verify that any changes are caused by the scalar beam and by just the magnetic field. Some tests I intend to try (but as yet have not!): Place various foodstuffs in the beam then compare flavor with untreated samples. Grow two collections of plants, water one with normal water, water the other with water that's been treated by several minutes??hours?? exposure to the beam. Aim the beam directly at a plant for many days, compare it with another untreated plant as a control. Sprout two groups of seeds, one treated and one untreated, and look for differences in number, health, growth rate, etc., between the two groups. Measure the growth of the tip of a plant stem by using a tiny lever, mirror, and laser beam. Graph the growth rate, then treat the plant with the scalar beam and look for changes in the rate. (Note that this method can also be used to observe plants' realtime response to numerous stimuli both conventional and "weird." Fertilizer? Light? Music? Good/ Bad thoughts?) Observe microscopic lifeforms in pond water, then expose them to the beam and see if their behavior changes while it is operating. Or, expose the water to the beam for several minutes??hours??, then compare the number and activity of lifeforms in the water with an untreated bottle. Or, compare the effects of adding treated or untreated water to the slide under the microscope. Use an opamp buffer and an audio amplifier to listen to the noise output of a capacitor which is shielded in a thick copper box, (or does a resistor or transistor work better?) then aim the beam at the box and listen for signals. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 11:35:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA08646 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.aznet.it (root@[194.21.178.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08634 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-101.aznet.it (slip1.aznet.it [194.21.178.101]) by apollo.aznet.it (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13487 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:37:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:37:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199601211937.UAA13487@apollo.aznet.it> X-Sender: mditomma@aznet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.459 From: mditomma@AZNET.IT (Max Di Tommaso) Subject: fnrg: Hello all! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just joined the list today so, first of all, hello everybody. I have a question about electric guns. In the files that I downloaded couldn't find many details and I don't know if you already had some discussions about these devices. Could somebody please explain me how do they work? What are their advantages? Finally, did anybody ever try to build one? I would like... Ok, too many questions for a newcomer! I'll go on later. Thank you. * * * Wishing you all the best... Max Di Tommaso mditomma@aznet.it Italy From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 12:03:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA12360 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsvr1.soar.com (comsvr1.soar.com [204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12349 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:03:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601212003.MAA12349@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem018.soar.com (204.200.8.71) by comsvr1.soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.50) with SMTP id ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:03:28 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.461 From: "William V. Adams" To: Tony Rusi Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:03:11 +0800 Subject: fnrg: MHD-Plasma/Stirling generator CC: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: "William V. Adams" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Myrabo's got four superconducting coils setting up a feild to > protect Ma and Pa Kettle-Jetson and the tykes. Megawatts of > microwaves and ugly ugly bags of mostly water don`t mix well. As a > budding build-your-own interstellar directed-energy space- craft in > your carport kind of guy, I figured I'd better bone up on MHD`s. > > Thanks for asking! > > Tony Rusi > > What are you doing? Tony I'm in the begining stages/conceptual phase of designing a SMALL MHD system. What I plan on doing is take a gov/surplus Turbo-Prop Jet engine and attach a DC generator in place of the propeller. At the exaust end of the beast you run it into a MHD gen. and seed/plasmafy the exaust flame. The DC OUT can be used to POWER the magnetic field of the MHD. The exaust from the MHD gen. is used as the heat source for a standard STEAM-Turbin Gen. System. The Cooling tubes from the MHD gen. can be used to PRE-HEAT the water for the STEAM-Turbin Gen. system. The Exaust from the STEAM Gen. can be used to Run a series of STIRLING engines that are similar/upscaled to the one reported in the July 1965 issue of Popular Science pg. 106. This Stirling engine was designed by Mr. Valmer Nixon of Ottawa, Canada, a technical officer of the National Research Council. The ORIGINAL article and {{BLUE-PRINTS}} were published in a 1961 iss. of PS. What I am doing is eliminating the flywheel/crankshaft from Mr. Nixons' model and using the concept of William Beale of Sun-power Inc. Athens, Ohio, which is reported in the June 1978 iss. of PS. The power piston con. rod has round magnets attached to it and moves in a recpricating in/out-up/down motion. I have used the terms in/out-up/down to show that there is no nessicary X,Y orentiation. The magnets{rotor???} on the con. rod move in a tube that has coils{stator} wound on it that is used to tap the AC power from the Stirling engines. The Stirling Solar-powered gen {BLUE-PRINTS}can be obtained from the July 1965 iss. of Popular Science, pg. 106. The Stirling Solar gen. end of the system as per my concept can be run on any heat source, ie. Buffalo Shit, wood,propane, ect. ect. ect. Even from a camp-fire or a stovepipe in a cabin/house. With all the cooling vanes and electrical gen. parts on the exterior of the heat chamber many-MANY problems would be eliminated or minimized. I will be compiling a set of articles, my own set of working blueprints and any other info I deem pertinant to the project. My purpose in this project is to keep me from getting BORED, becoming energy independent, and sharing my ideas/knowledge with others who wish to do the same. I beleive that we have all the nessicary Technology today to simplify the above process or parts of it so that a set of BLUE-PRINTS could be made avaiable so anyone could build it. Or at least have it built by any machine shop??? If ANY-ONE MONITERING THIS LISTwants to take this info and MAKE A MILLION be my guest its been tried before and still hasn't gotten off the drawing board into the hands of the PEOPLE. Any help ideas or {{{constructive}}} criticism will be greatly apreciated. SINCERELY!! ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 13:46:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA26953 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA26934 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from t22.dialup.peg.apc.org (t22.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.150]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id IAA19352 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:45:33 +1000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:45:33 +1000 Message-Id: <199601212245.IAA19352@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.462 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: MHD-Plasma/Stirling generator Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>> >> Tony Rusi >> >> What are you doing? > >Tony I'm in the begining stages/conceptual phase of designing a SMALL >MHD system. What I plan on doing is take a gov/surplus Turbo-Prop Jet >engine and attach a DC generator in place of the propeller. At the >exaust end of the beast you run it into a MHD gen. and seed/plasmafy >the exaust flame. The DC OUT can be used to POWER the magnetic field >If ANY-ONE MONITERING THIS LISTwants to take this info and > MAKE A MILLION >be my guest its been tried before and still hasn't gotten off the >drawing board into the hands of the PEOPLE. >Any help ideas or {{{constructive}}} criticism will be greatly >apreciated. >SINCERELY!! >========================================================= > ~<:-?) >feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux >William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com >31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 >Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. >========================================================== > Hey Bill......what a pleasant change to read your full info disclosure "lets-see-if-we-can-make-some-money" post. Certainly beats some of the recent "I've-got-a-secret" and "suck-in-the-investors" material. Nice attitude mate... Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 20:12:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA01054 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA01047 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:10:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601220410.UAA01047@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6643; Sun, 21 Jan 96 23:11:27 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8429; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:11:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 23:06:25 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.463 From: Brian Subject: fnrg: Rex Research Info To: FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Fellow Mad Scientist! I was asked to post the address of Rex Research. Here it is: Rex Research PO Box 19250 Jean, NV 89019 I do not know if it is still around or not, it's been about two years since I ordered anything. They have files ranging from cold fusion to scalar electromagnetics. I think it would be worth anyone's time to write for a catalog. -Which reminds me that I need to get another one myself! Have Fun! - Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 21:07:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA09952 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com (ix.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA09924 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma8-14.ix.netcom.com by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA29538; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:05:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:05:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199601220505.VAA29538@ix.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.464 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >tuned to the ionic resonant frequency Another subject of the Cold Fusion Symposium was a ball lightning device that used only 25 Watts yet could burn through a .25" thick piece of ceramic in a few minutes. It was surmised that the power supply had to be able to be tuned to a particular material. When used on quartz, tiny spheres of plasma could be seen wandering around within the crystal. Dennis Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 21:07:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA10061 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA10035 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a2-13.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a2-13.mel.netspace.net.au [203.17.100.13]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA13568 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:05:28 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601220505.QAA13568@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.465 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:08:01 +0900 Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A On 20 Jan 96 at 17:06, William Beaty wrote: > > John Bedini is online. However, he doesn't want to be swamped with mail, > so he doesn't want his addr published here. Anyone wanting to send him > messages can send them to bilb@eskimo.com with "bedini" in the subject > line, and I'll forward them. > > (I'm hoping he'll enjoy the conversations and let down his guard a bit.) Bill, This doesn't seem very logical. Anyone who wants to write to him will send email to you, and out of a sense of duty, you will pass everything on to him. Ergo, he will receive precisely as much email as though his address had been published. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 21 22:51:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA25685 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.com (escape.com [198.6.71.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA25671 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chope@localhost) by escape.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA10615; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:45:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:45:46 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.466 From: Charles Hope To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Rex Research Info In-Reply-To: <199601220410.UAA01047@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Brian wrote: > > > Hello Fellow Mad Scientist! > > I was asked to post the address of Rex Research. Here it is: > > Rex Research > PO Box 19250 > Jean, NV 89019 > > I do not know if it is still around or not, it's been about two years > since I ordered anything. They have files ranging from cold fusion to scalar And if they're not, I noted that some company in the UK seems to have absorbed their catalogue, which I found on the web someplace a few months back. I think I followed paranormal links from Yahoo. I wish I could be more specific. I have fond memories of Rex. Those early college years, scratching up dollars for forbidden information on magnet motors and gravity ether theories...Rex stopped actively compiling after about 1991 I believe, since I am on his mailing list. He did continue to stock his reports at least a few years after that. > > - Brian > > QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu > Charles chope@escape.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 00:10:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA07517 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 00:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07510 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 00:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.467 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27055; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 03:09:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 03:08:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601220505.VAA29538@ix.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we drain all of her energy away and kill Her? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 01:04:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA12675 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA12650 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:04:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:04:31 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.468 From: Tony Rusi To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor In-Reply-To: <199601220505.VAA29538@ix.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Dennis Lee wrote: > >tuned to the ionic resonant frequency > > Another subject of the Cold Fusion Symposium was a ball lightning device > that used only 25 Watts yet could burn through a .25" thick piece of ceramic > in a few minutes. It was surmised that the power supply had to be able to be > tuned to a particular material. When used on quartz, tiny spheres of plasma > could be seen wandering around within the crystal. > > Dennis Lee > > Who made this device? Are plans available? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 03:58:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA24362 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 03:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from felix.dircon.co.uk (felix.dircon.co.uk [193.128.224.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA24342 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 03:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by felix.dircon.co.uk id AA13813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:57:26 GMT Received: from gw4-017.pool.dircon.co.uk(194.73.168.17) by amnesiac via smap (V1.3) id sma013692; Mon Jan 22 11:54:47 1996 Received: by gw4-017.pool.dircon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE8C0.625F7D60@gw4-017.pool.dircon.co.uk>; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:54:28 -0000 Message-Id: <01BAE8C0.625F7D60@gw4-017.pool.dircon.co.uk> X-UIDL: 834952770.469 From: Patrick Vessey To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Ultrasonic Resonance Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:53:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Has anybody done (or are doing) any research into the possibility of = energy release from water by using ultrasonics to cause atomic resonance = as (supposedly) demonstrated by Keely in the 1800's? Patrick From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 04:07:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA25119 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA25102 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-61.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-61.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.61]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA26844 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:05:27 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601221205.XAA26844@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.470 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:07:17 +0900 Subject: Re:fnrg:Reed Huish Remote Viewing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 21 Jan 96 at 0:08, Dennis Lee wrote: [snip] > Arthur C. Clark believes that if we are all tapping the ZPE, we may > aggravate the greenhouse effect. > > Dennis Lee > While I think we will use more energy, and this will result in more heating, this should be more than compensated for by the drop in the actual "greenhouse" effect due to less CO2, methane (leaks) etc. in the air. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 04:37:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA27346 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA27331 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from t28.dialup.peg.apc.org (t41.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.169]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id VAA00117 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:54:14 +1000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:54:14 +1000 Message-Id: <199601221154.VAA00117@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.471 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Rex Research Info Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >And if they're not, I noted that some company in the UK seems to have >absorbed their catalogue, which I found on the web someplace a few months >back. I think I followed paranormal links from Yahoo. I wish I could be >more specific. Best science research reports place I've found is the UK company NEW SCIENCE RESEARCH REPORT. At http://www.knowledge.co.uk/xxx/reports/ Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL CONCEPTS From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 06:10:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA06792 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA06773 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id GAA15236; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:10:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:10:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.472 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Conference announcement Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 14:48:43 +0300 International Conference St.-Petersburg, Russia Dear Sirs, Local Organizing Commitee consisting of Chairman: Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences; Members: Dr. Anatoly A. Efimov, Russian Academy of Sciences; Dr. Jaroslav G. Klyushin Dr. Kirill P. Butusov Dr. Juri A. Zakoldajev, for Technics of Exploring; Ms. Alexandra A. Shpitalnaja Astronomical Observatory, Russian Academy of Sciences; Mr. Vladimir A. Fogel Association "SVETLANA"; Mr. Alexander V. Frolov, Academy of MegaSciences, Institute for Free Energy. INVITE YOU to take part in work of conference that will take place from 17 to 22 June, 1996, in St.-Petersburg, Russia. Next committees are planed: PHYSICS 1. Modern problems in physics. Theoretical reports. 2. New energetics, practical results. 3. Gravitation and overlapping technologies. 4. Development of Tesla's ideas. GEOLOGY 5-days Seminar "The ecological problems and geology" will take place in parallel with physics committee. Subjects of lectures ( invited 30 Russian speakers ) are devoted to next topics: electrogravitation, free energy, gyroscopes and anti-gravity reaction, inertial propulsion drives, control by rate of time, scalar electromagnetic interaction, magnetic vector potential interaction, longitudinal electromagnetic wave generation and detection, Mobius surface current effects, single-wire power transmission, heat pump, unipolar ( homopolar ) generator, torsion field. Special reports: Ivan S. Filimonenko, his cold fusion experiments from 1960 to present time; Boris V. Bolotov, transmutation of chemical elements, Vadim A. Shernobrov, experiments on control of rate of time, K.D. Shuckalov, electrogravitation experiments. Please, send the name of your report, your name and address for contacts, fax, email, and abstract by your report ( from 10 to 20 lines ) in FAX-address of organizing committee or by email to < alex@frolov.spb.ru > to prepare the programm of conference. We must make it before Febriary 15, 1996. Also, please send by post in address: Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov, P.O.BOX 25, 195298, St.-Petersburg, Russia, complete text of your report ( up to 10 pages and 2 Figures ). Consideration of reports cannot be assured if received after April 1. We'll print book of all reports in English before conference for all speakers to help international discussion. The Forum will be held from 17 to 22 June, 1996. We are planing 5-days work, 10 AM - 3 PM sessions, workshops devoted experimental systems and devices will take place in the end of every day. June 22 is reserve day for work. Detailes on registration fee - USD 250 ( book of reports in English, simultaneous interpreting for lectures are included ), hotel ( single rooms are USD 63 per day ) and all organizing questions we'll inform you when we'll receive text of your report that means your desire to take part in Conference as Speaker. Best regards, Chairman Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov FAX ___________________________________________________________________ --- Alexander V. Frolov P.O.Box 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 06:14:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA07249 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA07237 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id GAA15552; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:14:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.473 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor In-Reply-To: <199601220505.VAA29538@ix.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Dennis Lee wrote: > Another subject of the Cold Fusion Symposium was a ball lightning device > that used only 25 Watts yet could burn through a .25" thick piece of ceramic > in a few minutes. It was surmised that the power supply had to be able to be > tuned to a particular material. When used on quartz, tiny spheres of plasma > could be seen wandering around within the crystal. Gene Mallove just mentioned that the secret to the device was the metal of the electrodes and the composition of the "tile" which initiates the melt. The supply wasn't supposed to be anything exotic (but I guess it COULD be tuned AC) ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 06:17:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA07727 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA07711 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id GAA15927; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:17:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:17:33 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.474 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini! In-Reply-To: <199601220505.QAA13568@tornado.netspace.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On 20 Jan 96 at 17:06, William Beaty wrote: > > John Bedini is online. However, he doesn't want to be swamped with mail, > > This doesn't seem very logical. Anyone who wants to write to him will > send email to you, and out of a sense of duty, you will pass > everything on to him. Ergo, he will receive precisely as much email > as though his address had been published. No, if 200 people send mail at once, we can talk about what to do next. And he might not respond to anyone. Bet he will though, and he'll be tempted to jump onto freenrg-list. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 06:19:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA08013 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA07991 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id GAA16173; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:19:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:19:03 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.475 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Rex Research Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Charles Hope wrote: > > I do not know if it is still around or not, it's been about two years > > since I ordered anything. They have files ranging from cold fusion to scalar > > And if they're not, I noted that some company in the UK seems to have > absorbed their catalogue, which I found on the web someplace a few months > back. I think I followed paranormal links from Yahoo. I wish I could be > more specific. A searchable online Rex Research catalog would be great. If anyone runs across it, please post the URL! ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 07:37:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA19562 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA19525 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA04556; Mon, 22 Jan 96 10:32:17 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Mon, 22 Jan 96 10:36:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 10:09:58 EST Message-Id: <4F06+4Xu+lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.476 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor, and ZPE technology. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we >drain all of her energy away and kill Her? Yes, the interrelationship between bioelectric phenomena and environmental electromagnetic fields (telluric currents, Schuman resonances, etc.) show that everything is interconnected, as well as interdependant. When we extract energy from the vaccume, we measurable effect these bioelectric fields in the area, and orginisims in the proximity of the operating device, and often for some time after the device has stopped operating, or has been moved to another location. These bioelectric behavior changes can easily be measured by a GSR bridge conected to a plant or cell culture as in "Primary Perception" experiments, of by the use of low frequency coils placed around tree limbs or other plants. Attention should be focused on the frequency components of these fields, and spectral analisis performed. Common PC sound cards and software are quite good enough if used with a high quality preamplifier. The environmental field effects can be measured with a high grade electrometer, or electrostatic gradiometer. Telluric currents should also be measured and analized. I regret to say, that it is my opinion that there really is no such thing as a free lunch. The devices can extract energy in some cases, but there are then effects produced by this draw of energy that either effect the device itself, or the area around the device. A sort of parity, or conservation then sets in. We must understand the interactions of these systems far better than we do now before such devices are commercialized. No commercial applications will be possible if these bioactive effects were to be demonstrated to regulatory agencies. ZPE technology may well be far worse than nuclear technology, or even petrochemical technology. Should the nature of this bioelectric phenomena become better understood, and engineered, then it might be possible to use ZPE technology wisley, provided that the bioactive effects are controlled or eliminated first. As this level of understanding is not present currently, we are not yet ready to apply ZPE technology commercially, even if a "ready for market" device existed today. Investors would be wise to condcider this before handing over the checks, what garuntee do you have that the device is commercially viable? Simple over unity operation (which is not so simple) is not enough to show that the system is able to be applied in commercial applications. You might say that Nature puts that much energy into every cubic centemeter of space because it is needed. Nature is shockingly efficient, and does not waste energy. It's there for a reason. And I'm no tree hugger either! There is more than ample evidence for the effects described here. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 10:52:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA24430 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA24409 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma7-14.ix.netcom.com by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA28238; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:50:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:50:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199601221850.KAA28238@ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.477 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I believe the inventer is patenting and marketing this device, ergo, probably not. Dennis Lee At 01:04 AM 1/22/96 -0800, you wrote: >Who made this device? Are plans available? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 11:07:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA27352 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.9.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA27319 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA13391; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:05:23 -0500 Date: 22 Jan 96 14:02:03 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.478 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960122190203_76216.2421_HHB92-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Lee - >>> "What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we drain all of her energy away and kill Her?" Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to lower the energy reservoir by any significant degree? I thought the amount of ZPE energy estimated to exist in every cc of free space was unbelievably huge. There is an experiment I'd like to see done sometime though. Put some of the more reliable and stable CF cells such as the Patterson cell in a deep space probe that will travel far from earth and see if there are any changes in their performance. Then maybe we could see how much of what seems to be the ZPE is related to earth's presence. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 11:12:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA28438 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA28375 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p0.aa.net (s1c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.164]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14117 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:12:04 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601221912.LAA14117@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:11:40 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.479 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: virii Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:24 AM 1/21/96 -0800, you wrote: >On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > >> There ya go, call Tom. >> The fellow who built that Hendershot generator >> in the picture I posted, built what he called a scalar wave generator where >> coils of wire wrapped on ferrites were capped with ceramic magnets (there an >> echo in here?). >> >> He said it cooled down when he ran it. (I'm trying to get him on the Net, >> and this is the first place I'll send him). He's worried about viruses. >> Anyone heard any horror stories about them. I have not. > > >Only stupid virus stories, like "good times." Frank S. says that Boeing >was in an uproar about the "good times" virus which is communicable by >e-mail. Only trouble is that "good times" is a hoax. It is also an >urban legend, so I guess it really is a virus, but one which spreads by >email-gossip rather than .exe files, and ignores computers while only >infecting the minds of gullible people. > >..............................freenrg-list................................ >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 well put. I predict that we are going to see a lot more of them. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 14:10:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA04624 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04575 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA17498; Mon, 22 Jan 96 17:04:38 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Mon, 22 Jan 96 17:08:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 16:58:35 EST Message-Id: <4F06+AW+,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.480 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to >lower the energy reservoir by any significant degree? I thought >the amount of ZPE energy estimated to exist in every cc of free >space was unbelievably huge. True, but if this energy is envolved in processes we are not generally aware of, any alteration of this "envorinment" would be "polution" of an environment we know nothing of, and have no way of predicting how it might effect us in turn. History appears to show this is unwise. People used to think this way about the oceans and such. Time has shown that it was unwise. To assume that this ZPE flux has no use, and simply awaits our applications is quite arrogent of us. There is far more we need to know before we "tap" this endless supply of energy, which we only assume has no other function. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 18:17:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA22920 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA22904 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA04214; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:17:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:17:07 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.482 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor, and ZPE technology. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor, and ZPE technology. Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:04:57 -0800 From: Frank T Lofaro In message <4F06+4Xu+lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM>, "Robert A. Shannon" writes: >>What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we >>drain all of her energy away and kill Her? > >Yes, the interrelationship between bioelectric phenomena and >environmental electromagnetic fields (telluric currents, Schuman >resonances, etc.) show that everything is interconnected, as well >as interdependant. > >When we extract energy from the vaccume, we measurable effect >these bioelectric fields in the area, and orginisims in the >proximity of the operating device, and often for some time >after the device has stopped operating, or has been moved to >another location. What are these effects exactly? Do things die? Would it be something that would injure people? Cause cancer or disease? (It would be really bad if an experiment hurt someone running it) People on this list really should be informed about risks. >We must understand the interactions of these systems far better >than we do now before such devices are commercialized. No >commercial applications will be possible if these bioactive effects >were to be demonstrated to regulatory agencies. Some people would still build and run them to power their own homes, I am sure. Would they end up sick or dead though? >You might say that Nature puts that much energy into every cubic >centemeter of space because it is needed. Nature is shockingly >efficient, and does not waste energy. It's there for a reason. But percentage wise, running the whole US power grid off one cubic centimeter would still be less than a billionth of a billionth of the total energy extraction* Its probably due to something else, like some kind of emission, that effects are seen. >And I'm no tree hugger either! There is more than ample evidence >for the effects described here. Well what are they, so we know any risks? * There is around the energy equivalent of 10**93 grams per cubic centimeter of ZPE. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 21:27:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA23844 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA23802 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA24681 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:14:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA11797; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:24:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:24:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601230524.XAA11797@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.483 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Lee - > >>>> "What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we >drain all of her energy away and kill Her?" > >Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to lower the >energy reservoir by any significant degree? I thought the amount of ZPE energy >estimated to exist in every cc of free space was unbelievably huge. > ~ 5 X 10E93 gm/cm3 (!) according to John Archibald Wheeler (ref. GEOMETRODYNAMICS). Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 22:03:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA00293 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00267 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:02:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601230602.WAA00267@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5287; Tue, 23 Jan 96 01:03:12 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3222; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:03:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 00:55:27 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.484 From: Brian Subject: fnrg: Radiation... To: FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Folks! Lately I have had a burning question on my mind that perhaps someone here can help me with. Does anyone know the spectrum of electromagnetic energy that strikes the Earth? Of course there is the visible spectrum, but what about other wavelenths (especially the higher frequencies). Does anyone know where I can find this information? What wavelengths do cosmic rays represent? Also, has anyone thought that "scalar waves" might just be extremely energetic (high frequency) EM waves? Thanx, Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 22:07:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA00843 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00812 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:05:54 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.485 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA34035; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:05:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:57:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor, and ZPE technology. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <4F06+4Xu+lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we > >drain all of her energy away and kill Her? > Yes, the interrelationship between bioelectric phenomena and > I regret to say, that it is my opinion that there really is no > such thing as a free lunch. The devices can extract energy in This is what I was afraid of. People go crazy when they think that anything is "free". I'm afraid the second law of thermodynamics does apply here after all. This is not to say that these devices should not be invented. But rather, they should be used wisely. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 22:19:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA02487 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02471 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:17:45 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.486 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35702; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:17:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:07:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <960122190203_76216.2421_HHB92-2@CompuServe.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>> "What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we > drain all of her energy away and kill Her?" > Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to lower the > energy reservoir by any significant degree? I thought the amount of ZPE energy Well, could we really burn up enough oil and coal to deplete the Earth of her resources? And to pollute Earth's huge atmosphere? Could we really build enough nuclear weapons to destroy all life on Earth? Could we populate the Earth to such an extent that we couldn't feed ourselves? Etc, etc, etc... We been down this road before. Please, let's learn the lessons of history. I'm not saying we should not build these devices. They are clean and efficient. I prefer them to burning oil, of course. I'm simply asking the qquestion to get people to consider the possibility. It scares me when some call them "free" energy devices. I learned that in life, nothing is ever free. One must always bear the responsibilities of his/her actions. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 22 22:33:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA04469 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA04451 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:31:25 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.488 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29445; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:30:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:20:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor, and ZPE technology. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we > >>drain all of her energy away and kill Her? > Some people would still build and run them to power their own homes, I > am sure. Some people do not consider anything other then their own needs. But, I believe that they do this out of ignorance, not necessarily because they are bad people. They simply have not come to the conclusion that we are all in this together, and that thier actions affect everyone. > >You might say that Nature puts that much energy into every cubic > >centemeter of space because it is needed. Nature is shockingly > >efficient, and does not waste energy. It's there for a reason. Bob is so correct here. What if this energy is feeding us? What if ZPE is what the healers call the Life Energy, or what the Chinese call Qi (Chi) Energy. We may be harming ourselves in ways that we have not yet considered. > But percentage wise, running the whole US power grid off one cubic > centimeter would still be less than a billionth of a billionth of the > total energy extraction* Its probably due to something else, like some Yes, but would it create a "Black Hole" of energy depletion, that would suck that would suck the life out of anything near it? Sounds like science fiction, I know, but shouldn't we at least consider it? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 02:27:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA29657 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA29542 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma11-06.ix.netcom.com by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA03920; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:16:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:16:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199601221916.LAA03920@ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.489 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Conference announcement Cc: alex@frolov.spb.ru Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Hi Alex; Will the conferance report be available to those who are not able to attend? Dennis Lee At 06:10 AM 1/22/96 -0800, you wrote: >Detailes on registration fee - USD 250 ( book of reports in English, >simultaneous interpreting for lectures are included ) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 02:28:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA29575 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA29446 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcalibur (slip6.vvm.com [204.71.94.16]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03993 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:51:02 -0600 Message-ID: <3104286B.A7B@vvm.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:14:35 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.490 From: Brent Davidson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Hovertec Info- Delays, Delays. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Sorry I haven't had a chance to send out all the4 copies of the Hovertec info as of yet. It appeares that there is no end to the problems that can be encountered in telecommunications. My E-mail program has been down for a couple of days and I'm sending this message with a backup program. I think I crashed my e-mail program by trying to send out 5 copies of the Hovertec info at one time anyway. I believe that I can use this program to attach a file, but I need to study the controls a bit. I'll try to deliver the Hovertec file by 1-24-96 at the latest. Falcon From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 02:36:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA29625 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA29522 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma11-06.ix.netcom.com by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA03899; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:15:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:15:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199601221915.LAA03899@ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.491 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor, and ZPE technology. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:09 AM 1/22/96 EST, you wrote: >We must understand the interactions of these systems far better >than we do now before such devices are commercialized. No >commercial applications will be possible if these bioactive effects >were to be demonstrated to regulatory agencies. I agree. However, John Searle claims that sitting next to his levity disc while it was in operation helped him recovery from injuries sustained in an accident. In addition, the Bedini device that Bill B. recently posted seems to suggest positive life force effects also. Could a win/win situation be possible? >Investors would be wise to condcider this before handing over the >checks, what garuntee do you have that the device is commercially >viable? Simple over unity operation (which is not so simple) is >not enough to show that the system is able to be applied in >commercial applications. I would think that an inventor might first apply his O/U device to an application that requires alot of energy. Take for instance a product that requires alot of raw heat to produce. It should be easy to sell such a product at below market rates and become quite successful. Dennis Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 02:36:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA10000 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA09891 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id RAA14485 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:24:27 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA822359683 Mon, 22 Jan 96 17:14:43 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 17:14:43 X-UIDL: 834952770.492 From: "reim" Encoding: 1489 Text Message-Id: <9600228223.AA822359683@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I guess I don't get all of this. What does CF cells have to do with ZPE anyway. I thought the mechanism for cold fusion is known and is not related to ZPE. Also what is with the concern about tapping into this theoretical ZPE and causing unknown problems, your only taking guesses about what might happen. This is true about any new technology. All of this concern and we still don't have a proven over unity device, at least not that I am aware of yet. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/22/96 2:02 PM Lee - >>> "What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we drain all of her energy away and kill Her?" Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to lower the energy reservoir by any significant degree? I thought the amount of ZPE energy estimated to exist in every cc of free space was unbelievably huge. There is an experiment I'd like to see done sometime though. Put some of the more reliable and stable CF cells such as the Patterson cell in a deep space probe that will travel far from earth and see if there are any changes in their performance. Then maybe we could see how much of what seems to be the ZPE is related to earth's presence. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 07:25:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA08425 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 07:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA08360 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 07:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA26345 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:14:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA15082; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:24:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:24:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601231524.JAA15082@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.493 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Bedini's device Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just read Tom Bearden's "Chasing The Wild Dragon" at www.hsv.com/writers/bearden/tommenu.htm (fascinating article!) In it he states that John Bedini's machine ran the motor for about 5 years continuously and kept the battery fully charged all the while. If that is true, it sounds like a true o/u/o machine to me! The deep-cycle marine battery I have ran a similar motor for about a week (just the battery and motor, to see how long the motor would take to run down the battery.) I guess I should spend more time with this one! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 07:43:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA11817 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 07:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA11804 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 07:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA11725; Tue, 23 Jan 96 10:39:23 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 23 Jan 96 10:43:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 10:00:46 EST Message-Id: <4F06+SUD,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.494 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Cc: neotech@world.std.com Subject: fnrg: Re: ZPE technology. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A (as the subject has wandered, I changed the subject heading, and will cross post to Neotech.) >>You might say that Nature puts that much energy into every cubic >>centemeter of space because it is needed. Nature is shockingly >>efficient, and does not waste energy. It's there for a reason. >Bob is so correct here. What if this energy is feeding us? What if ZPE is >what the healers call the Life Energy, or what the Chinese call Qi (Chi) >Energy. We may be harming ourselves in ways that we have not yet considered. Thanks, but I may be right, or I may not even be close. The issue is not how much of the vast potential we extract is, but it may be rather to what extent do we pattern that flux. Once we pattern it, this pattern propogates, and can effect biological and other systems. This effect is visible in bioelectric phenomena, where no other means know can account for so called "primary perception". This effect is shown when a plant of cell culture responds to actions that occure to another like organisim, at a distance from the "perceiving" organisim(s). Seperate from purley biological effects, experimetns with scalar production can produce a lasting effect on the area where the experiment was conducted. This can be measured in several ways, such as alterations of atomic decay rates, anomalous electrostatic and/or electromagnetic effects, and others unknown. Patterned ZPE is one way to describe both the propogation of an electromagnetic wave in a vaccum, or a scalar wave in any medium. This might couple to other systems not currently thought to envolve ZPE directly. "What are the risks" I can only say that it is my opinion that any technology (including current electromagnetic technology) that patterns the ZPE may cause alterations of the behavior and operation of biological and quantum systems. As an example, in studies of power lines and cancers, it was found that the house with the highest total exposure has cancers and lukeima rates of incidences far below average, while the house next door, with still high, but lower total levels had rates far higher than normal, and this pattern would hold true down the row, in many cases. This lead to the conculsion that the casuitive mechanisim was still unidentified. Unfortunatley, none of these measurments took into account the fact that the magnetic field is not a primary field, and has an unsheildable component, the A field. While it is known that the free A field has real effects (Aharnov-Bohm, etc.) nothing is known about it's role in biological systems, expecially in differing ratios to the E and B field levels. Based on some experimentation with free A field detectors, the A field strength may fit exactly the difference between the B field intensity and the rates of cancers and lukeimas. But this has not been proven as such. In addition to direct biological effects, there are secondary effects that are well documented. In the book Megabrain, there are references that show that scalar signals are somethign like 20 times more effective in inducing the frequency following effect, or neural entrainment. While hotly debated in some circles, there is a body of thought that there are profound physical effects that can result from this process. Even with this aside, there are clearly documented effects on consciousness as a result of neural entrainment. Other theories implicate quantum processes to our conscious processes directly. What are the risks if this is so? I wish I were able to say what risks result from what experimentation, but I am not qualified to do so. I will say that I have seen persons hurt during research into scalar techionlogy. The persistant idiopathic paralasis induced could not be treated by conventional medical technology. This person did recover some time later, appearing to respond to "other" treatmets. I'm afraid I cannot say more about this instance, and I would have prefered not to mention it at all, but some statement of risk is needed. I must respect the privacy of teh individual envolved, and ask that you do the same. Can a win-win situation be constructed? I think so. If so, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's based on fractal geometeries and ratios, and the consumption of entropy by biology, and the consumption of order by technology. There have been a small number of devices that use this sort of technology for treatment, such as the Lakhovisky Multi-Wave Oscillator and others. Sadly, if you were to try and research these, yu would be in deep with the FDA, and of course, you would have to be a MD, etc. It all must be done in dark alleys and such, behind closed doors, that do keep out far more than they keep in, but what alternitive is there? Try and take the knowlage and theories you have produced and share it, and you are often vilified for doing so. Protect your interests and remain silent, and your vilified for 'suppresive tendancies' or other thought crimes. I'm off my stump. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 08:20:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA18056 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA17979; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:19:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601231619.IAA17979@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:49:30 +0800 To: mwm@aa.net, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.495 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: "Yes, AFS really exists." Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Flywheel powered car... >>>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:16:08 -0500 >>>From: American Flywheel >>>Subject: Yes, AFS really exists. >>> >>>>From American Flywheel Systems, Inc. >>>To Mr. Bob Wing and Mr. Marshall Houston via >>>the Internet EV Discussion Group (Revised) >>> >>>In a recent exchange that was broadcast via the Internet EV discussion group >>>on December 26, 1994, Bob Wing and Marshall Houston expressed frustration at >>>not having been able to contact American Flywheel Systems by phone and not >>>having been able to find the company's facilities, which led them to offer a >>>number of speculations, and to ask, "Does AFS actually exist?" This is to >>>respond to that exchange. Given the obvious level of interest, we have taken >>>the liberty of a relatively lengthy reply. >>> >>>Over the last three years since AFS announced the receipt of the first >>>patents for an electromechanical flywheel battery system it has received >>>thousands of unsolicited calls, faxes and letters from individuals and >>>institutions with a variety of interests. In the weeks immediately following >>>the issuance of the patents calls came at such a velocity that no one at AFS >>>could call out of the building. Unable to clear messages from the voice >>>mailbox as fast as they were coming in, the mailbox kept filling up, causing >>>many people not to be able to get through, even just to leave a message. >>> After that experience in 1992, the eight phonelines that were used for >>>voice, fax and modem communications within AFS' Seattle area offices were >>>de-listed from directories. A new number was listed (permanently connected >>>to voice mail) and the company made an arrangement with the phone company to >>>have the equivalent of two mailboxes, each with capacity for 75 messages for >>>that number. This number is listed both in Bellevue and Seattle. An AFS >>>staff member checks for messages daily and logs the calls into a data base; >>>each caller is then contacted and, if appropriate, is provided with a general >>>information packet about AFS and its technology. AFS is a private >>>corporation, not a public one. This packet includes information we are >>>willing to share with the general public. In specific and appropriate cases >>>follow-up contacts from AFS administrative or engineering staff (who are >>>located in Seattle and several other U.S. cities) are arranged. In the vast >>>majority of cases, however, such follow-up contacts are not arranged, nor are >>>they appropriate. >>> >>>Most individuals who have called AFS wanted to know if they could invest in >>>AFS, but as AFS is not a public company, there is currently no investment >>>device for the general public (although AFS has not ruled out the possibility >>>of going public some time in the future, AFS has no plans to do so at >>>present). Other callers have included: companies wanting to license the >>>technology or buy systems from AFS; companies wishing to sell AFS equipment, >>>supplies or services; students, writers and press; and, finally, enthusiasts >>>of all kinds (among them EV enthusiasts) and others who are simply curious >>>about the technology. The data base now includes the names of approximately >>>4000 people, companies and institutions (from the U.S., Canada, England, >>>virtually every nation in Europe, the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc, >>>Mexico and South America, all parts of Asia, Australia, New Zealand and >>>Africa) who have taken the initiative to contact AFS and leave their names >>>and addresses. All callers who called or wrote to AFS AND left their >>>names, phone and fax numbers during the last year have received a return >>>call, and most have received at least a background document about AFS ... >>> but if callers do not leave their name, address, return phone number and >>>reason for their call on AFS' voice mail, we do not try to return their call. >>> AFS has also collected the names and addresses of approximately an >>>additional 5000 people who signed up to receive more information about the >>>AFS20 at the LA Auto Show and other exhibitions. AFS may, at some future >>>time, contact these individuals to let them know about new developments >>>regarding the AFS2000-10. >>> >>>When we tried to find Messrs. Wing and Houston in the AFS data base a few >>>weeks ago, we were unable to do so, leading us to speculate that one of four >>>things had happened: >>> >>>1. Messrs. Wing and Houston called but did not leave their names so that AFS >>>staff could not contact them; >>> >>>2. Messrs. Wing and Houston called and left their names and numbers for our >>>staff to follow up, but our staff neither recorded their calls in the data >>>base nor returned them (instead of doing their jobs, the staff must have been >>>watching soap operas and eating bon-bons again); >>> >>>3. Messrs. Wing and Houston never called; or, possibly, >>> >>>4. Messrs. Wing and Houston do not exist. >>> >>>Kidding aside, we would be pleased to send Mr. Wing and Mr. Houston general >>>information packets if they provide us with their addresses. If they write >>>back and AFS decides that there is an important near term reason to continue >>>to communicate with them, we will do so. If any of the rest of you wish to >>>receive similar information, please call 206 454 1818, leave your name, >>>address, phone and fax numbers and the nature of your interest in AFS. We >>>will get back to you one way or another. In the alternative, we have set up >>>today an America OnLine account with a screen name of AFS Corp (please use >>>this instead of AFS, AFS Inc. or AFS HQ). We will monitor this AOL E-Mail >>>address for a few weeks and decide whether we can manage the E-Mail activity. >>>However, please understand that we may decide to discontinue such activity >>>until a later time if we find we are unable to handle the volume. Similarly, >>>please understand if we are unable to send personalized responses in every >>>case. >>> >>>As to visiting AFS' offices or engineering test cells, we have intentionally >>>listed only P.O. Boxes because we are not equipped to satisfy everyone's >>>interest and curiosity with personal meetings or tours, at least not for the >>>present. Even the AFS20, for example, when it is not being shown at specific >>>enhibitions, is kept in a secure unmarked facility in Seattle. Like most >>>development stage companies, our current activities have to remain focused; >>> for the time being we must concentrate on completing engineering >>>demonstration units and prototypes along with engaging in focused >>>institutional partnering and licensing activities. We simply can't meet with >>>the general public or even with the many EV enthusiasts who ask us to do so. >>> We need to exercise restraint even regarding following up with commercial >>>inquiries. We have set our priorities and must stick to them if we are going >>>to be able to succeed in bringing this technology to commercial reality for >>>vehicular systems, stationary energy storage, and space systems. Perhaps at >>>a future date we can have a complete community relations staff that can >>>provide more personal attention to general inquiries. >>> >>>For any of you who may be interested, here is some additional information. >>> AFS is a private Delaware Corporation, funded by a combination of private >>>capital from about 25 shareholders as well as from grants from one Federal >>>and four State government agencies. We have an engineering staff that >>>includes experts in rotodynamics, composites, control electronics, automotive >>>design, and space systems. We multiply the activities of our internal staff >>>through strategic relationships with private and public entities, some of >>>which are small (but very capable), and some of which are large (with vast >>>advanced technology resources). Along with engineering personnel, AFS' >>>administrative staff includes individuals with backgrounds in environmental >>>protection, public policy and business. Among AFS consultants are one of the >>>most highly regarded investment banking firms in the country, a major law >>>firm for commercial legal counsel and one of the top intellectual property >>>and patent law firms in the U.S. These entities (along with an Advisory >>>Board that includes individuals who have held senior policy or cabinet posts >>>under four Presidents at the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, HEW, and >>>Commerce as well as OMB and CEQ) participate actively in AFS strategic >>>planning. >>> >>>At the heart of AFS is a highly focused, fiercely independent, enormously >>>creative team with extraordinary dedication and tenacity that fully intends >>>to commercialize its technology worldwide. Every employee of AFS is an AFS >>>stockholder. AFS' original patents, covering 60 separate claims, will be >>>supplemented by additional component, system and application patents that are >>>in the process of disclosure and preparation. Although AFS might eventually >>>manufacture a very limited number of parts for complete flywheel battery >>>systems, AFS intends mainly to remain a licensing entity and leave >>>manufacturing and global marketing to others. We expect to be able to make >>>it possible for EV owners to replace their chemical batteries with >>>electo-mechanical ones with 2-3 times the energy density, a useful life of at >>>least 10 years, no deep cycling degradation, and no toxic disposal problems. >>> AFS intends to make its technology available to every manufacturer who wants >>>to license it -- as quickly, as cheaply and as widely as possible. >>> >>>Every time another article appears about AFS and its flywheel battery >>>technology, another tidal wave of calls, letters and faxes comes in, taxing >>>AFS' ability adequately to respond. No doubt the recent "Does AFS exist" >>>exchange and this response will cause some sort of similar (this time digital >>>electronic) wave of inquiries.. We won't promise to be able to respond to an >>>inquiry the same day we get it; we will call you back or send you information >>>within a few days of your inquiry. We will continue to decide what questions >>>we will respond to and what information we will share. >>> >>>Mr. Wing and Mr. Houston, we hope someday not only to give you a tour of an >>>AFS facility, but also to take you for a ride in a flywheel battery-powered >>>electric car that will blow your socks off. >>> >>>Thank you for your interest and, in advance, for your patience and >>>understanding. >>> >>>Very truly yours, >>> >>>American Flywheel Systems, Inc. >>> >>> >>>[posted by] >>> >>>Barry Smith, Blue Sky Research >>>barry@bluesky.com >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 11:46:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA20418 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.9.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA20227 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA08089; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:25:09 -0500 Date: 22 Jan 96 21:00:49 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.496 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960123020049_76216.2421_HHB90-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Robert - >There is far more we need >to know before we "tap" this endless supply of energy, which we >only assume has no other function. I agree. You should see the mirror image thread to this on the Tesla list right now concerning the possible effects of using the earth to transmit power without wires as described by Tesla. There was some "channeled" warning from an entity named "Kryon" who says that messing with the scalar energy in the earth could cause a geological disaster. Of course there could be some non-linear trigger hidden anywhere in our environment. Who knows, we may already be over the edge in biology or our oceans or something and just not know it yet. I'm not for being so timid as to walk the earth without leaving a mark. _Nothing_ we do is without consequences, and we never know ultimately where those consequences may lead. That's neither a warning not to act, nor an excuse to act carelessly. Actually, I'm not sure what it is! It means...we'd better be careful and not waste our resources. On a vaguely related note, it has occured to me that this ZPE tapping, although now we're only capable of enticing the smallest trickle to appear, may one day lead to technology that allows quite a large torrent of energy to rush out at once. IOW, a bomb. A very BIG bomb. I already hear talk of hollow atoms and the Red Mercury project, and I kind of wonder. The one factor that has helped control the proliferation and use of nuclear weapons all this time has been the cost, complexity, and difficulty in constructing and deploying them. We could lose that if some relatively easy recipe for massive energy release appears out of this line of discovery. Scary, huh? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From rjberry@mail.eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 12:21:22 1996 Received: from eskimo.com (rjberry@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29192 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.497 From: Ray Berry Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA22218; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601232019.MAA22218@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: free energy list question (fwd) To: bilb@mail.eskimo.com (William Beaty) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "William Beaty" at Jan 23, 96 11:20:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: > > How different is elm from pine? I've not tried elm. Is it vt-100 > menu/window/screen based? Well, I'm no Pine expert either, but when I *do* use Pine I am frustrated by its lack of flexibility and seemingly large # of keystrokes required to get around. But, please note that I am sufficiently ignorant of Pine to be qualified to recommend elm over it. ps Is Bedini still in Idaho? Last time I vacationed over that way we tried to connect but he was working that weekend (broadcast radio station maintainance). So, never did meet the guy in person although we spoke by phone a few times. -- Ray Berry kb7ht rjberry@eskimo.com Bellevue, WA /* inquire within */ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 12:57:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA05360 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA05202 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA25318; Tue, 23 Jan 96 15:48:05 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Tue, 23 Jan 96 15:52:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 15:34:56 EST Message-Id: <4F06+kNI,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.498 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: ZPE Technology. (was mystery inductor) X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: "I agree. You should see the mirror image thread to this on the Tesla list right now concerning the possible effects of using the earth to transmit power without wires as described by Tesla. There was some "channeled" warning from an entity named "Kryon" who says that messing with the scalar energy in the earth could cause a geological disaster." I had not been aware of a Tesla list server. I get too much email now to join it though. Too bad. I'm not too sure that Tesla's wireless power system used telluric currents however. We may never know. Channeled warnings eh? The dangers are outlined in part in Beardens "Towards a New Electromagnetics books, which in my opinion are far better than any of his newer material. A good deal of the newer stuff is at odds with his older works. Non-linear triggers are everywhere, from cells to neurons, even defects in crystal structures. Bombs are only one type of applications we need to think about, there are worse applications, as well as more "efficient" and practical ones. The point is not to worry everyone, but to find those who are discovering the true nature of ZPE, etc, and compare notes in order to make informed choices about new technologies. Traditionaly, these choices are not made with our best interest in mind. This needs to change soon. So who else is going to do this? Universities? The Government? Frankly, it's up to us, and it's unlikley we will get very far, due to the need to protect our personal interests, and not be locked up by the FDA or whoever for researching areas that doctors might be well paid to ignore. The cards are stacked against us, and we cannot easily show each other what's in our hands. Anybody got a spare new paradigm they are not using? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 14:02:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA16770 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA16708 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id QAA14824; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:54:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:54:40 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.499 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: fnrg: Field Distortions To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <960123020049_76216.2421_HHB90-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Some time ago, I asked about some guy who had aparently invented a device to deter heat from the hull of a vessel, and wanted to put it on supersonic aircraft etc. I then asked if anyone knew the mechanics of such a device, or knew more about it.. Since then my server went down and I lost the bloody mail. Could you please repost the reply? Thanks alot! I appreciate it! Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 15:35:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA00715 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00644 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:27:40 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.500 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA51031; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:26:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:11:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <9600228223.AA822359683@irout.advantor.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>> "What if the the ZPE was the Earth's Living Energy field. Wouldn't we > drain all of her energy away and kill Her?" > Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to lower the > energy reservoir by any significant degree? I thought the amount of ZPE energy > estimated to exist in every cc of free space was unbelievably huge. There was a time when people believed that the Earth's resources were infinite as well. How soon we discovered that they weren't. Just remember how many people that there are on the planet. That number is doubled every thirty years at the current rate. If each person has their own ZPE generator (which they will!), this could conceivably be dangerous. Just look at the automobile. Each one puts out "just a smidgeon" of CO2. No problem if there is just one, but everyone wants to have one, ergo, we have global warming. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" Sir Iaasac Newton Let's be responsible, now, while there is still a chance to be. Investigate the situation, realize the dangers, and act accordingly. This could get out of hand real fast... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 22:21:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA12060 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA12025 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA19948 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:08:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA26815; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:17:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:17:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601240617.AAA26815@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.501 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: ZPE Technology. (was mystery inductor) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Rick Monteverde wrote: >"I agree. You should see the mirror image thread to this on the Tesla list >right >now concerning the possible effects of using the earth to transmit power >without wires as described by Tesla. There was some "channeled" warning >from an >entity named "Kryon" who says that messing with the scalar energy in the >earth could cause a geological disaster." > >I had not been aware of a Tesla list server. I get too much email now to >join it though. Too bad. It seems kinda hard to get on anyway. > >I'm not too sure that Tesla's wireless power system used telluric currents >however. We may never know. > >Channeled warnings eh? The dangers are outlined in part in Beardens >"Towards a New Electromagnetics books, which in my opinion are far better >than any of his newer material. A good deal of the newer stuff is at odds >with his older works. > >Non-linear triggers are everywhere, from cells to neurons, even defects in >crystal structures. I agree! Again, I'd like to recommend THE EXCALIBUR BRIEFING by Tom Bearden (I know it's hard to find but I got it on interlibrary loan here.) The section on the Vestigia "Spooklight" experiments and the theories behind them is an excellent example of these non-linear triggers. Some of the other theories in the book make a lot more sense if you've studied Hugh Everitt's "Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics" (also highly recommended!) Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 23 23:23:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA23039 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsvr1.soar.com (comsvr1.soar.com [204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA23014 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:21:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601240721.XAA23014@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem006.soar.com (204.200.8.59) by comsvr1.soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.50) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:21:56 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.502 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:21:49 +0800 Subject: fnrg: piezoelectric equations X-Confirm-Reading-To: "William V. Adams" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I had an idea hit me today while talking to a friend. When I looked in my ref. books I could'nt find the formulas to caculate the amount of voltage that is produced by a quatz crystal of a given dia. and thickness with an unknown amount of pressure applied to it. Does anyone out there know the above formulas or some place where I can get access to them. My thoughts on this are that if you take a number of these crystals and place them on a metal plate, all orientated in the same direction and then place another metal plate ontop of them, you would have the two poles of a batt. Then caculate the amount of constant pressure that is needed to start them giving off potential. Next pour a concrete block in a form over them and let it set. Presto you have a {{{ free energy device}}} ha, ha,!! But you all know what I mean, i.e. an OVERUNITY battery. Now if you can't get enough potential out of it by enlarging it in a square foots way. Then you would stack these in a vertical array. If you want to you could connect a bank of caps to them and discharge the caps at regular interVOLTS. Please TEAR THIS APART DISECT IT TRASH IT AND THEN PUCK UP WHATS LEFT SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO RUMINATE ON IT AND COME UP WITH A WORKING MODEL FOR THOSE FOLK'S THAT NEED TO AUGMENT THEIR SOLAR SYSTEM SETUP IN THOSE REMOTE AREAS. and our basements te he he he. ((The above caps are not ment to insult or demean anyone!!!)) Have fun ladies and gents. Sincerely ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 00:38:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA04301 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA04285; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:38:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:38:13 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.503 From: Tony Rusi To: Wolfgang Starchild cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Field Distortions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Wolfgang Starchild wrote: > > Some time ago, I asked about some guy who had aparently invented a device > to deter heat from the hull of a vessel, and wanted to put it on > supersonic aircraft etc. I then asked if anyone knew the mechanics of > such a device, or knew more about it.. > > Since then my server went down and I lost the bloody mail. Could > you please repost the reply? > > Thanks alot! I appreciate it! > > > Skyward Aerospace > (905)685-8726 Extension #1 > wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca > > "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" > > > Ironic you bring this up tonight. I just saw something on Invention the Discovery Cable channel, about a former hairdresser in England that saw a plane wreck in 86 and decided to cook up a better fire retardant. It was a white paste with supposedly 20 to 30 polymer ingredients. It has been tested by defense dept teams in the US and UK. It was called Starlight. He put a layer 1/4 inch thick on a raw egg and heated it with a blow torch for a couple of minutes. Then he cracked open the egg it was still raw! No one knows why the stuff works. This stuff could be used as a thermal protection system for directed-energy-power ultralight spacecraft. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 00:42:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA04826 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA04805; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:42:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:42:06 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.504 From: Tony Rusi To: "Charles Choi (SAR)" cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, mwm@aa.net, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: "Yes, AFS really exists." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Kinetic energy is stored in a disc rotating at extremely high rpms. The energy storage capability is said to be 2 to 3 times that of the best lead acid battery systems per pound of weight. Nothing has been said about cost yet however. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 00:45:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA05264 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA05253; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:45:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.505 From: Tony Rusi To: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: let's not count our polluting chickens until they have hatched. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 02:52:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA17144 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA17130 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from v10.dialup.peg.apc.org (v10.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.202]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id VAA16093 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:50:31 +1000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:50:31 +1000 Message-Id: <199601241150.VAA16093@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.506 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: piezoelectric equations Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I had an idea hit me today while talking to a friend. >When I looked in my ref. books I could'nt find the formulas to >caculate the amount of voltage that is produced by a quatz crystal of >a given dia. and thickness with an unknown amount of pressure applied >to it. >Does anyone out there know the above formulas or some place where I >can get access to them. > >My thoughts on this are that if you take a number of these crystals >and place them on a metal plate, all orientated in the same direction >and then place another metal plate ontop of them, you would have the >two poles of a batt. Then caculate the amount of constant pressure >that is needed to start them giving off potential. Next pour a >concrete block in a form over them and let it set. Presto you have a >{{{ free energy device}}} ha, ha,!! But you all know what I mean, >i.e. an OVERUNITY battery. Now if you can't get enough potential out >of it by enlarging it in a square foots way. Then you would stack >these in a vertical array. If you want to you could connect a bank of >caps to them and discharge the caps at regular interVOLTS. > >Please TEAR THIS APART DISECT IT TRASH IT > AND THEN PUCK UP WHATS LEFT > SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO RUMINATE ON IT AND >COME UP WITH A WORKING MODEL > FOR THOSE FOLK'S THAT NEED TO AUGMENT >THEIR SOLAR SYSTEM SETUP IN THOSE REMOTE AREAS. >and our basements te he he he. >((The above caps are not ment to insult or demean anyone!!!)) >Have fun ladies and gents. > >Sincerely >========================================================= > ~<:-?) >feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux >William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com >31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 >Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. >========================================================== > Hey Bill...You're not hitting the "turps" along there mate..are you.. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 02:54:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA17472 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA17466 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from v10.dialup.peg.apc.org (v10.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.202]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id VAA16912 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:53:59 +1000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:53:59 +1000 Message-Id: <199601241153.VAA16912@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.507 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Field Distortions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Wolfgang Starchild wrote: > >> >> Some time ago, I asked about some guy who had aparently invented a device >> to deter heat from the hull of a vessel, and wanted to put it on >> supersonic aircraft etc. I then asked if anyone knew the mechanics of >> such a device, or knew more about it.. >> >> >Ironic you bring this up tonight. I just saw something on Invention the >Discovery Cable channel, about a former hairdresser in England that saw a >plane wreck in 86 and decided to cook up a better fire retardant. It was >a white paste with supposedly 20 to 30 polymer ingredients. It has been >tested by defense dept teams in the US and UK. It was called Starlight. >He put a layer 1/4 inch thick on a raw egg and heated it with a blow >torch for a couple of minutes. Then he cracked open the egg it was still >raw! No one knows why the stuff works. This stuff could be used as a >thermal protection system for directed-energy-power ultralight spacecraft. > Saw that article too...was on australian TV early last year sometime....wondered what ever became of it.. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 04:01:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA22976 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA22945 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p0.aa.net (s3c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.132]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA22885 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:59:12 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601241159.DAA22885@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:58:41 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.508 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Field Distortions Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:53 PM 1/24/96 +1000, you wrote: >>On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Wolfgang Starchild wrote: >> >>> >>> Some time ago, I asked about some guy who had aparently invented a device >>> to deter heat from the hull of a vessel, and wanted to put it on >>> supersonic aircraft etc. I then asked if anyone knew the mechanics of >>> such a device, or knew more about it.. >>> >>> >>Ironic you bring this up tonight. I just saw something on Invention the >>Discovery Cable channel, about a former hairdresser in England that saw a >>plane wreck in 86 and decided to cook up a better fire retardant. It was >>a white paste with supposedly 20 to 30 polymer ingredients. It has been >>tested by defense dept teams in the US and UK. It was called Starlight. >>He put a layer 1/4 inch thick on a raw egg and heated it with a blow >>torch for a couple of minutes. Then he cracked open the egg it was still >>raw! No one knows why the stuff works. This stuff could be used as a >>thermal protection system for directed-energy-power ultralight spacecraft. >> > >Saw that article too...was on australian TV early last year >sometime....wondered what ever became of it.. > >Jim > > ye olde military industrial complexe need I say more? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 05:07:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA00125 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA29993 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id IAA08784; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:05:24 -0500 Date: 23 Jan 96 21:05:49 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.509 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: ZPE Technology. Message-ID: <960124020548_76216.2421_HHB79-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Robert - >The point is not to worry everyone, but to find those who are discovering >the true nature of ZPE, etc, and compare notes in order to make informed >choices about new technologies. Traditionaly, these choices are not made >with our best interest in mind. This needs to change soon. I'd like to see cross disciplinary cooperation among physicists, geologists, EE's and others on this. This could be a tremendous boost for humanity if we can make use of a new, clean, "limitless" energy source while avoiding the kinds of mistakes that were done with other pervious, and current, technologies. BTW, that other post of yours was excellent. I saw you crossposted it to Neotech, so I took the liberty of putting a copy on the Tesla list and Encounters (Compuserve) too. Hope you don't mind. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 05:58:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA07146 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA07128 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id IAA25283; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:53:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.510 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Field Distortions To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Tony Rusi wrote: > Ironic you bring this up tonight. I just saw something on Invention the > Discovery Cable channel, about a former hairdresser in England that saw a > plane wreck in 86 and decided to cook up a better fire retardant. It was > a white paste with supposedly 20 to 30 polymer ingredients. It has been > tested by defense dept teams in the US and UK. It was called Starlight. > He put a layer 1/4 inch thick on a raw egg and heated it with a blow > torch for a couple of minutes. Then he cracked open the egg it was still > raw! No one knows why the stuff works. This stuff could be used as a > thermal protection system for directed-energy-power ultralight spacecraft. There are many polyers, monomers and polycarbonates that have a temprature rating of about 500C. Combining various polymers that may atomically bind might bring the temprature up. However, such combinations often loose thier KSC (kilogram per square centimetre) tensile strength. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it! Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 06:00:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA07408 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA07395 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id IAA25487; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:55:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:55:57 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.511 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Field Distortions To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601241153.VAA16912@peg.apc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Jim Francis wrote: > Saw that article too...was on australian TV early last year > sometime....wondered what ever became of it.. > > Jim > I think, if I'm not mistaken, a US polymer company mentioned to me that the material plastic had a temprature rating of around 3,000F (about 800C) Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 06:18:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA20858 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de [134.109.132.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA20605 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de by saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with Local SMTP (PP) id <15776-0@saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:27:59 +0100 Received: from main.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (main.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de [134.109.72.14]) by mailbox.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA09593 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:27:57 +0100 (MET) Received: by main.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (5.0/client-1.5) id AA05890; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:27:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:27:51 +0100 (MET) X-UIDL: 834952770.512 From: Peggy Bochmann To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor In-Reply-To: <4F06+AW+,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Robert A. Shannon wrote: > >Even if that were the case, could we really use enough of it to The way things are; are the way they should be; but only in this moment. Our challenge, is to give the planet/universe a new option, that can respect the needs that created things as they are, but solve the problems, and give us less dangerous problems... pardon the gluh wein ... hope you guys figure it out... Free-energy: I love it. It scares me... When can I drive my car to California without paying for gas.... Will I leave the heater on all the time, and make the world just a little bit hotter? Will my free energy device spontaneously combust a human being in another dimension? Don't laugh! It happened to my homework (though not a human being) when I was in high-school. When we, not just me or you, but we, all provide our fellow humans with the right f/e option/plan, then I think the way will become suddenly and amazingly clear.... I hope.... Thank you all sincerely! Chad May From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 06:26:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA11579 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.best.com (mailx.best.com [204.156.128.56]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11432 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by mailx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA29850 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:35:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:35:01 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.513 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: New Inventor's List Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: While I absolutely do not recommend anyone to send their ideas to the US Patent Office (see the Security order at www.padrak.com/ine/), this may be of interest to someone: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 12:58:16 CST Reply-To: newideas@earthlink.net Sender: NEW-LIST - New List Announcements From: Lavrov Victor Subject: NEW: INVENTORS - Meeting place for inventors To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM - INVENTORS meeting place INVENTORS is an open, lightly moderated discussion list featuring inventors and the inventing process. Things such as how to develop an idea, getting a patent, selling or licensing an invention and the problems encountered in the process are likely to be discussed. The list is NOT intended for comercial use, but light description or referals of services needed by the inventors are allowed. No archives of INVENTORS are kept. To subscribe, send the following command in the BODY of mail to LISTSERV@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM on the Internet: SUBSCRIBE INVENTORS yourfirstname yourlastname For example: SUBSCRIBE INVENTORS John Doe Owner: Victor Lavrov NEWIDEAS@EARTHLINK.NET --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: NEW-LIST announcements are edited from information provided by the original submitter. We do NOT verify the technical accuracy nor any claims made in the announcements nor do we necessarily agree with them. We do not warranty or guarantee any services which might be announced - use at your own risk. For more information send e-mail to LISTSERV@VM1.NoDak.EDU with the command GET NEW-LIST README in the body. mgh From juban@BayNetworks.com Wed Jan 24 07:38:41 1996 Received: from lobster.wellfleet.com (lobster.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.253.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA23750 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.BayNetworks.com (pobox.corpeast.baynetworks.com) by lobster.wellfleet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26345; Wed, 24 Jan 96 10:31:07 EST Received: from aether.engeast by pobox.BayNetworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01156; Wed, 24 Jan 96 10:31:58 EST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 10:31:58 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.514 From: juban@BayNetworks.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <9601241531.AA01156@pobox.BayNetworks.com> To: freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Subject: Bedini's Clarifier Status: RO X-Status: I just saw an ad in a high-end audio magazine for Bedini's Clarifier product. It claims to improve the sound of CDs. Presumably it's a commercial version of the circuit BillB posted from Mr. Bedini. There were reviews from about six other high-end audio reviewers in the ad, all of which testified to the improvement effect. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 07:45:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA28625 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com (dub-img-7.compuserve.com [198.4.9.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28508 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA13367; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:23:26 -0500 Date: 23 Jan 96 21:22:38 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.515 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960124022238_76216.2421_HHB40-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Let's be responsible, now, while there is still a chance to be. >Investigate the situation, realize the dangers, and act accordingly. This >could get out of hand real fast... Agreed! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 09:46:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA15176 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsvr1.soar.com (comsvr1.soar.com [204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA15162 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:45:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601241745.JAA15162@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem007.soar.com (204.200.8.60) by comsvr1.soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.50) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:45:10 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.516 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:45:05 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: piezoelectric equations X-Confirm-Reading-To: "William V. Adams" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >I had an idea hit me today while talking to a friend. > >When I looked in my ref. books I could'nt find the formulas to > >caculate the amount of voltage that is produced by a quatz crystal > >of a given dia. and thickness with an unknown amount of pressure > >applied to it. Does anyone out there know the above formulas or > >some place where I can get access to them. > Hey Bill...You're not hitting the "turps" along there mate..are > you.. > > Jim Jim I'm not familiar with the term "turps". please enlighten me!! Thanks Jim. ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 10:05:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA26874 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (root@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA26828 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA14987; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:08:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:08:50 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.517 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Conference announcement In-Reply-To: <199601221916.LAA03920@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Dennis Lee wrote: > Hi Alex; > > Will the conferance report be available to those who are not able to attend? Alex Frolov is not a subscriber, so you'll have to email him at the addr on the announcement. This looks to be a conventional academic conference (with unconventional topics!), so they probably will publish conference proceedings. Hopefully they'll publish them in English. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 10:27:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA21859 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21836 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA20668; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:04:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:04:48 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.518 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: ZPE Technology. (was mystery inductor) In-Reply-To: <4F06+kNI,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Some thoughts about ZPE: As I understand it, ZPE has EM components that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other, similar to the dark areas in an interference pattern. And there is 10**93 grams of energy (a la E=mc2) per cubic centimeter. Even though that is at least as much energy as there is non-ZPE energy in the universe, it seems to me that that ZPE energy is actually equal to the non-ZPE energy throughout the universe; and the 10**93 that I am tapping here is the same 10**93 that's in your cubic centimeter. Not only that, it's the same as the non-ZPE that's being spent in even the most remote places of this universe. Every atom in the universe is like a pearl reflecting all others, and those reflections are what the ZPE is. Lets say we all tap the ZPE, resonating with , say it's 133 Hz com- ponent. We would be depleting the universe of it's 133 Hz energy. It would be like everyone tuning in to middle C, and as a result all the world's music would have weaker middle C's than other notes. If you were to draw energy from a component of all video signals, the result would be more subtle and bizarre (sorry, started to drift). But back to our example, suppose the Vogon Empire in the X-2 star cluster used 133 Hz for their electrical equipment. They would experience energy losses because of our ZPE use. (perhaps negligible though. The universe is so big that we on Earth could not possibly deplete it. We could not use up a single star.) The universe is like thunder, the Big Bang was the lightning. In the big bang, all the frequencies in the universe were in perfect sync for a moment, and their subsequent interactions are what made the universe; they are what the universe Is. All the frequencies that were in the beginning must now still be, though perhaps we may now be in the dark regions of their interference patterns. Fourier analysis proves that a temporary absence of a frequency is an illusion; the truth is the presence of additional frequencies (as with sidebands in AM). Note: All frequencies in perfect equalization would manifest itself as a flash with no reverberation, perhaps a big bang with no universe to follow. The above is just speculation based on my limited knowledge of the subject matter. BCC/Impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 14:51:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA07705 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07439 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from t7.dialup.peg.apc.org (t7.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.135]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id JAA27241 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:43:03 +1000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:43:03 +1000 Message-Id: <199601242343.JAA27241@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.520 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: piezoelectric equations Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> Hey Bill...You're not hitting the "turps" along there mate..are >> you.. >> >> Jim > >Jim I'm not familiar with the term "turps". please enlighten me!! >Thanks Jim. >========================================================= > ~<:-?) >feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux >William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com Bill.....It's Aussie lingo for "socking back a few beers". Nah...I was just kidding mate. Thought your post was quite comical...so posted a comical response...Crocadile Dundee style. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 15:10:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA11740 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11664 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from t7.dialup.peg.apc.org (t7.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.135]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id KAA02387 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:01:55 +1000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:01:55 +1000 Message-Id: <199601250001.KAA02387@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.521 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>Let's be responsible, now, while there is still a chance to be. >>Investigate the situation, realize the dangers, and act accordingly. This >>could get out of hand real fast... > >Agreed! > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > If this technology can actually be made to function...why not build a couple of thousand working units and place them on the market as an advertised "beta test" with cautionary warnings , etc. Beta testers are basically a breed of people who expect problems. The enthusiasts who buy them would probably be better placed to evaluate any inherent dangers. Then...when the danger spots are noted (and possibly modified) the unit could be marketed to the public. If the units are a viable commercial proposition...why not get the project rolling in a limited manner. It is only supposed at this point that there may be problems....there is little hard evidence. Jim Francis Dream it....Resolve it...Do it!!! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 18:02:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA13227 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA13136 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id cf20914; 24 Jan 96 19:03 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09467; 24 Jan 96 17:33 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk by abwillms.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA822428983 ; Tue, 23 Jan 96 20:29:43 GMT Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.522 From: "Alaric B. Williams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:29:40 +0000 Subject: Re: fnrg: Hello all! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <822504831.9467.0@abwillms.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 21 Jan 96 at 20:37, Max Di Tommaso wrote: > I just joined the list today so, first of all, hello everybody. Yo! > I have a question about electric guns. In the files that I downloaded > couldn't find many details and I don't know if you already had some > discussions about these devices. Right, I assume you've been through http://www.eskimo.com/~billb and seen the capacitor discharge experiments page? That was the starting point for all that I know on the subject. The operational principles are: 1) Electro Thermo Chemical plasma cannon Electrical discharge through fluid turns it to plasma and propells projectile by expansion, plasma rips holes in stuff also 2) Electromagnetic Coilgun Coil in barrel excites eddy currents in projectile when electrical pulse applied; resulting reverse magnetic field propells object yonder 3) Electromagnetic Railgun Conductive projectile between two rails; electrical pulse fed in one rail, out other; rail/item/rail circuit is small electromagnet (like a 1 layer coil). Force caused by 180 degree kink in field where the projectile is between the rails huuurrrllls it out the end... Bye, ABW --- Forwards, he cried, from the rear - and the front ranks died.... The general sat, and the lines on the map, move from side to side... Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' Alaric B. Williams From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 18:19:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA15928 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA15887 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p1.aa.net (s3c2p1.aa.net [204.157.220.149]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03211 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:14:50 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601250214.SAA03211@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:15:54 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.523 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: New Inventor's List Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:35 AM 1/23/96 -0800, you wrote: >While I absolutely do not recommend anyone to send their ideas to the US >Patent Office (see the Security order at www.padrak.com/ine/), this may be >of interest to someone: > > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 12:58:16 CST >Reply-To: newideas@earthlink.net >Sender: NEW-LIST - New List Announcements >From: Lavrov Victor >Subject: NEW: INVENTORS - Meeting place for inventors >To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST > >INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM - INVENTORS meeting place > > INVENTORS is an open, lightly moderated discussion list featuring > inventors and the inventing process. Things such as how to develop > an idea, getting a patent, selling or licensing an invention and the > problems encountered in the process are likely to be discussed. The > list is NOT intended for comercial use, but light description or > referals of services needed by the inventors are allowed. > > I hope someone on free energy monitors this list and forwards choice stuff to free energy on fusion, zpe, and gravity, and ou. I can't personally stand the idea of subscribing to another list. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 19:36:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA29252 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.9.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29228 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id WAA10185; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:32:39 -0500 Date: 24 Jan 96 22:30:25 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.524 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960125033025_76216.2421_HHB49-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Leo - >And what's your contribution to save the world? Didn't get your message. >Please don't send such a mail, there are much more people who agree, than my >mailbox can hold... Thanks in advance. >Best net regards, >Leo Leo, relax. We were having a discussion about the possible dangers of using energy from the ZPE. I contributed several messages to the thread, but it became a bit awkward for me when I found myself boxed into the corner of appearing to have the position that I did not think it would be necessary to be careful as methods to tap and use this form of energy are developed. That was never my intention. When someone succinctly stated the position that I actually *was* in agreement with, I wanted to emphasize that fact so people would know where I was coming from in my other messages. It was not, as you seem to have suggested, merely posting a "me too", or "agree" message. Had you been paying more careful attention to the discussion before criticizing me, this explanation would not have been necessary. Dittos the net regards, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 20:02:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA03604 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03515 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03041 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:05:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199601250405.XAA03041@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.525 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: William V. Adams writes "Please TEAR THIS APART DISECT IT TRASH IT AND THEN PUCK UP WHATS LEFT" as you wish Will... Why don't you actually try it and tell us what happens. But let me give you a hint here, think about why those click starters for lighters need to be struck, and only produce a pulse. By the way, save those little guys, they have many uses... K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 20:03:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA03820 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.9.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03737 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id WAA10195; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:32:39 -0500 Date: 24 Jan 96 22:30:29 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.526 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960125033028_76216.2421_HHB49-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jim - >It is only supposed at this point that there >may be problems....there is little hard evidence. As to the ZPE, the most recent thing I can remember from Chris Tinsley on this (Chris the CF writer), is that there were _no_ known bad effects or pollutants - from CF devices such as the Patterson cell. I hope people eventually conduct some long term experiments where those devices are run in the vicinity of various plants and animals though before they become too commonplace. Now there tends to be a bit of crossover in this connection to the other devices that are claimed to be OU like the MRA, the Bedini widget recently described here, or other electromagnetic devices which besides perhaps tapping energy from the ZPE, may have scalar effects associated with them as well. _That_ may be a different story altogether as to health effects as Robert A. Shannon suggested in one of his posts. I agree with you that the possibility of negative effects on the earth or living things as suggested due to simply using or drawing down the enormous energy resorvoir of the ZPE is entirely speculative at this point, although not at all without merit as a caution. But don't you get the feeling that the scalar stuff deserves much more immediate attention? Note that suggested experiments for the Bedini device included several to check for effects on biological systems. Good idea, IMHO. That would have been a wise thing to do in the early days after the discovery of x-rays too. Lives would have been saved. Wasn't Tesla's supposed "death ray" a scalar device? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 21:32:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA20643 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA20610 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.528 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id XAA06466 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:38:32 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D4192eM Wed, Jan 24, 1996 23:23:15 EST Message-Id: <9601242323.D4192eM@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 23:23:15 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MW>>>Ironic you bring this up tonight. I just saw something on Invention the MW>>>Discovery Cable channel, about a former hairdresser in England that saw a MW>>>plane wreck in 86 and decided to cook up a better fire retardant. It was MW>>>a white paste with supposedly 20 to 30 polymer ingredients. It has been MW>>>tested by defense dept teams in the US and UK. It was called Starlight. MW>>>He put a layer 1/4 inch thick on a raw egg and heated it with a blow MW>>>torch for a couple of minutes. Then he cracked open the egg it was still MW>>>raw! No one knows why the stuff works. This stuff could be used as a MW>>>thermal protection system for directed-energy-power ultralight spacecraft. MW>>Saw that article too...was on australian TV early last year MW>>sometime....wondered what ever became of it.. MW>>Jim MW>ye olde military industrial complexe MW>need I say more? MW>____________________________________ MW>MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing MW>Michael Mandeville, publisher MW>mwm@aa.net MW>http://www.aa.net/~mwm If the military is why this has not gotten more press, they have become truly evil, as it could save thousands of lives every year if used in fireproofing applications. "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." -Dwight D. Eisenhower, from his farwell address From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 21:32:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA20635 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA20609 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw43.fastlane.net (fw43.fastlane.net [206.42.189.43]) by fastlane.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25213 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:26:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601250626.AAA25213@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:32:53 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.529 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: "Yes, AFS really exists." X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Kinetic energy is stored in a disc rotating at extremely high rpms. The >energy storage capability is said to be 2 to 3 times that of the best >lead acid battery systems per pound of weight. Nothing has been said >about cost yet however. > The U.S. military is working very hard to develop a tracked vehicle which contains a flywheel driven generator which is spun up by a powerful turbine engine. The flywheel stores huges amounts of kinetic energy which can be dumped into a generator very quicky, producing a tremendous surge of electrical power which can be used for driving an EMP weapon, big lasers, etc. Check out some of the big government contractors on the Web (Phillips is one) to get more info on this. Bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 22:32:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA01148 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA01123 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id BAA26033; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:22:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:22:28 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.530 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: "Yes, AFS really exists." In-Reply-To: <199601250626.AAA25213@fastlane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Can ultrasonics scramble electronics permanently? I know they can for some pieces of electronics temporarily, I think. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 22:32:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA01144 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA01108 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:31:05 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.531 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA07370 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:49:08 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D2770Fd Thu, Jan 25, 1996 00:40:19 EST Message-Id: <9601250040.D2770Fd@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Field Distortions Organization: Intermax Online Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 00:40:17 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Tom Brokaw at NBC did a big report over a year ago on the "starlight plastic" with an amazing NASA demonstration film. The report on this white goop was absolutely mind blowing. After a blow torch was taken off the stuff, it was instantly cold. It seems that the only explaination could be that it was turning the heat energy into mass. Tom Brokaw said to remember you saw it here first. I suggest sending email to nightly@news.NBC.com requesting a follow up report!!! This stuff will save thousands of lives as fireproofing. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 22:54:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA05067 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from l2.conline.com (root@l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA05048 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from LEVIATHAN (dal1-12.conline.com [204.96.7.12]) by l2.conline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA31645 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:55:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:55:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199601250655.AAA31645@l2.conline.com> X-Sender: fearl@l2.conline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.532 From: feal@conline.com (Frank Earl) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >If the military is why this has not gotten more press, they have become >truly evil, as it could save thousands of lives every year if used in >fireproofing applications. I doubt that it's the military that is to blame for this one... I distinctly remember reading in BusinessWeek (Where I had heard about startlight...) that the inventor was reluctant to patent it (meaning disclosing the ingredients...) and was looking for an investor that was willing to front a million or so to kick-start the company he was wanting to make around the product. And it's more impressive than just resisting normal heat or flame- a plasma torch won't touch it (Or so the BusinessWeek article said.). I fear that if Starlight is for real, it (The lack of existance of Starlight coated items) is because the inventor isn't selling or telling anything- not because of military suppression. If the substance is for real and it's dropped off the face of the earth for the reasons I've stated, it's a BIG lesson to those who might actually HAVE a "free-energy" device. We've seen the history of the field. There have been successful demonstrations of "free-enegy" a' la Hubbard, Tesla, etc. They kept it to themselves and told/sold _nothing_. Where are they for the most part? In obscurity. Where's the devices they did? Largely forgotten. Keep that in mind people. Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 23:19:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA09114 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from luckier.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA09099; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp123.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.126]) by luckier.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA186; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 02:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3107572C.1CD8@nmaa.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 02:10:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.533 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: USA-TESLA@usa.net, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, wram.com@ix.netcom.com, kavosh@mnsinc.com, immune@weber.ucsd.edu, neil@lablinks.com, billb@eskimo.com CC: Steve Bugher , Mark Montgomery at NMAA , James Stewart at State , "James M. Talens" , smb@nmaa.org Subject: fnrg: Re: MRX Technology, Rife & Tesla References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This sounds alot like Royal Rife's work. Can anyone provide more on-line data on Rife? He had identified many viri with his high power mocroscopes. I believe he used filtered light not mag. fields, but both may work. He was also able to kill viri and other diseases including some cancers. Lets all try to post as much HARD DATA as we can find. Rife and Tesla have in common the fact that they were both destroyed by those with too much to loose (the drug co.'s in Rife's case) (the electric power monopoly in Tesla's) and their most important work was and is burried. How can we let them get away with this with so many lives at stake? More importantly who are they and who is protecting them? If the MRX works does anyone really think it will actually be brought to market? Think of the durg dollars that would be lost! It's not only the illegal drugs cartels we should be afraid of is it! See: http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/tech.html http://www.inlink.com/~rife/index.html http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/wright/ http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird.html http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/physics.html Chuck Knight wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, William J. Ward wrote: > > > What he was describing was this fabulous new > > technology that could cure everything from athelete's foot to AIDS. > > Sounds good so far... > > > magnetic resonance imaging technologies. Basically, what the MRX system is > > supposed to do is find the "natural resonant response" of the chemical bonds > > of molecules. Then, it merely applies this 'signature' energy in such > > quantities that the targeted molecule shatters. > > Still good...sounds a little derivitive of Rife, but still seems sound. > > > Well, that >sounds< reasonable. Resonance can cause bridges to break up and > > wine glasses to shatter. So, why not molecules? > > Agreed...but here's a thought. > > All carbon based lifeforms on this planet are composed of the same basic > compounds...whether we are talking about people, or virii. How could we > differentiate between the molecules of a person, and the molecules of a > virus? Seems like a necessary first step, before using this technology > to fight disease. > > > Check it out. If it's a scam, let's expose it. If it's legitimate, let's > > promote it. > > Well, you understand my concerns...but it sounds like it has some merit. > > -- Chuck Knight Steve. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 23:24:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA09910 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA09889 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c3p6.aa.net (s3c3p6.aa.net [204.157.220.162]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA22634 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:20:14 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601250720.XAA22634@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:23:06 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.534 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:23 PM 1/24/96 EST, you wrote: > > >MW>>>Ironic you bring this up tonight. I just saw something on Invention the >MW>>>Discovery Cable channel, about a former hairdresser in England that saw a >MW>>>plane wreck in 86 and decided to cook up a better fire retardant. It was >MW>>>a white paste with supposedly 20 to 30 polymer ingredients. It has been >MW>>>tested by defense dept teams in the US and UK. It was called Starlight. >MW>>>He put a layer 1/4 inch thick on a raw egg and heated it with a blow >MW>>>torch for a couple of minutes. Then he cracked open the egg it was still >MW>>>raw! No one knows why the stuff works. This stuff could be used as a >MW>>>thermal protection system for directed-energy-power ultralight spacecraft. > >MW>>Saw that article too...was on australian TV early last year >MW>>sometime....wondered what ever became of it.. > >MW>>Jim > >MW>ye olde military industrial complexe > >MW>need I say more? >MW>____________________________________ >MW>MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >MW>Michael Mandeville, publisher >MW>mwm@aa.net >MW>http://www.aa.net/~mwm > >If the military is why this has not gotten more press, they have become >truly evil, as it could save thousands of lives every year if used in >fireproofing applications. > >"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition >of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military >industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced >power exists and will persist." > >-Dwight D. Eisenhower, from his farwell address > > WITHOUT A DOUBT, EISENHOWER'S REMARKS WERE PRESCIENT. BOTH CONSERVATISM AND LIBERALISM UTTERLY FAILED TO HEED THE WARNING, IN FACT, BOTH ADDED ENORMOUS IMPETOUS TO THE TAKEOVER. Starlight was by action of top levels of the British government taken up into the defense hole. It seems that it has the ability to block radioactivity as well, both particles and waves, which puts it into the HIGH FREAKING MAGIC category. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 24 23:34:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA11388 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11349 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c3p6.aa.net (s3c3p6.aa.net [204.157.220.162]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA23126 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:30:12 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601250730.XAA23126@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:33:05 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.535 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:55 AM 1/25/96 -0600, you wrote: >>If the military is why this has not gotten more press, they have become >>truly evil, as it could save thousands of lives every year if used in >>fireproofing applications. > >I doubt that it's the military that is to blame for this one... > >I distinctly remember reading in BusinessWeek (Where I had heard about >startlight...) that the inventor was reluctant to patent it (meaning >disclosing the ingredients...) and was looking for an investor that was >willing to front a million or so to kick-start the company he was wanting to >make around the product. And it's more impressive than just resisting >normal heat or flame- a plasma torch won't touch it (Or so the BusinessWeek >article said.). > >I fear that if Starlight is for real, it (The lack of existance of Starlight >coated items) is because the inventor isn't selling or telling anything- not >because of military suppression. > >If the substance is for real and it's dropped off the face of the earth for >the reasons I've stated, it's a BIG lesson to those who might actually HAVE >a "free-energy" device. We've seen the history of the field. There have >been successful demonstrations of "free-enegy" a' la Hubbard, Tesla, etc. >They kept it to themselves and told/sold _nothing_. Where are they for the >most part? >In obscurity. Where's the devices they did? Largely forgotten. Keep that >in mind people. > >Frank Earl >Earl Consulting Services Starlight is being actively implemented by military circles. It has disappeared only to permit the defense establishment to gain a generation lead monopoly on the technology. Starlight was actually tested against small nuclear blasts and was found to have highly desirable, completely unexpected shielding properties. My guess is that the Brits have it bottled up somewhere in England and the U.S. has it bottled up in that infamous Area 57 testing ground. This invention is not being suppressed...but I would guess that it will be controlled for a long time by the new world order. Reportedly, the inventor gratefully and voluntarily sold rights to the government. How much he is getting each year to keep the exclusive I have no idea. It would be interesting to hear from anybody in England who could give us a more complete briefing. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 00:21:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA17544 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA17508 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id DAA28126; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 03:09:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 03:09:30 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.536 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <199601250730.XAA23126@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The thing that occurs to me about Starlight's original inventor is to have someone actually look up the person. I remember when Starlight was actually presented on the news and was quite amazed, and always did wonder where the hell it went. If anyone has the inventor's original name, maybe some investigation is in order. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: > At 12:55 AM 1/25/96 -0600, you wrote: > >>If the military is why this has not gotten more press, they have become > >>truly evil, as it could save thousands of lives every year if used in > >>fireproofing applications. > > > >I doubt that it's the military that is to blame for this one... > > > >I distinctly remember reading in BusinessWeek (Where I had heard about > >startlight...) that the inventor was reluctant to patent it (meaning > >disclosing the ingredients...) and was looking for an investor that was > >willing to front a million or so to kick-start the company he was wanting to > >make around the product. And it's more impressive than just resisting > >normal heat or flame- a plasma torch won't touch it (Or so the BusinessWeek > >article said.). > > > >I fear that if Starlight is for real, it (The lack of existance of Starlight > >coated items) is because the inventor isn't selling or telling anything- not > >because of military suppression. > > > >If the substance is for real and it's dropped off the face of the earth for > >the reasons I've stated, it's a BIG lesson to those who might actually HAVE > >a "free-energy" device. We've seen the history of the field. There have > >been successful demonstrations of "free-enegy" a' la Hubbard, Tesla, etc. > >They kept it to themselves and told/sold _nothing_. Where are they for the > >most part? > >In obscurity. Where's the devices they did? Largely forgotten. Keep that > >in mind people. > > > >Frank Earl > >Earl Consulting Services > > Starlight is being actively implemented by military circles. It has > disappeared only to permit the defense establishment to gain a generation > lead monopoly on the technology. Starlight was actually tested against > small nuclear blasts and was found to have highly desirable, completely > unexpected shielding properties. My guess is that the Brits have it bottled > up somewhere in England and the U.S. has it bottled up in that infamous Area > 57 testing ground. This invention is not being suppressed...but I would > guess that it will be controlled for a long time by the new world order. > > Reportedly, the inventor gratefully and voluntarily sold rights to the > government. How much he is getting each year to keep the exclusive I have > no idea. > > It would be interesting to hear from anybody in England who could give us a > more complete briefing. > ____________________________________ > MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing > Michael Mandeville, publisher > mwm@aa.net > http://www.aa.net/~mwm > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 00:27:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA18873 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18842 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ap16237; 24 Jan 96 18:17 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09278; 24 Jan 96 17:33 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk by abwillms.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA822428980 ; Tue, 23 Jan 96 20:29:40 GMT Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.537 From: "Alaric B. Williams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:29:40 +0000 Subject: fnrg: ZPE density Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <822504832.9278.0@abwillms.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 22 Jan 96 at 23:24, Zack Widup wrote: > ~ 5 X 10E93 gm/cm3 (!) according to John Archibald Wheeler (ref. > GEOMETRODYNAMICS). gm/cm3? Grams as in rest energy E=mc^2? What's that in J/m^3 (SI Units)? Quote I've heard is that the ZPE in the volume of a coffee cup could boil the oceans off of the planet. ABW --- Forwards, he cried, from the rear - and the front ranks died.... The general sat, and the lines on the map, move from side to side... Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' Alaric B. Williams From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 00:31:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA19525 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsvr1.soar.com ([204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA19469 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:31:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601250831.AAA19469@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem002.soar.com (204.200.8.55) by comsvr1.soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.60) with SMTP id ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:30:03 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.538 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:30:55 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: piezoelectric equations X-Confirm-Reading-To: "William V. Adams" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >> Hey Bill...You're not hitting the "turps" along there mate..are > >> you.. > >> > >> Jim > > > >Jim I'm not familiar with the term "turps". please enlighten me!! > >Thanks Jim. > Bill.....It's Aussie lingo for "socking back a few beers". Nah...I > was just kidding mate. Thought your post was quite comical...so > posted a comical response...Crocadile Dundee style. > > Jim Thanks for your explain Jim. ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 00:53:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA23600 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23556 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA17288; Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:30:19 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:34:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:23:43 EST Message-Id: <4F06+iYb,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.539 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: neotech@world.std.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: ZPE Technology. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Agreed. The question now becomes who is actively trying to work on this >problem using the "realignment" of natural harmonics by entrainment? Other than "back room" work at private institutions, the same basement tinkerers and dark alley "fringe science" types. Sadly anyone who admitted actually doing this, and having hard results becomes a target of the FDA, etc. After all, who burnt Reich's books? (or am I just paranoid here?) It's quite difficult for reasearchers to come forward and try to "leak" information. It's too easily taken the wrong way. (i.e. suppression, ego, etc.) I think this is why the more technical people who have the option to actually work on this stuff spend most of their time tinkering, and only share their results with other like minded people. This needs to change, but I see no realistic way to do this. So far, it only muddies the waters. The search for truth must be a personal one. But this seems to be in violation of the concept of working for the greater good of all. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 00:53:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA29868 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA29648 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id bu19517; 24 Jan 96 18:47 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09203; 24 Jan 96 17:32 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk by abwillms.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA822428980 ; Tue, 23 Jan 96 20:29:40 GMT Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.540 From: "Alaric B. Williams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:29:40 +0000 Subject: Re: fnrg: Radiation... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <822504779.9203.0@abwillms.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 23 Jan 96 at 0:55, Brian wrote: > Hi Folks! > > Lately I have had a burning question on my mind that perhaps someone here > can help me with. (sizzle) > Does anyone know the spectrum of electromagnetic energy that > strikes the Earth? Of course there is the visible spectrum, but what about > other wavelenths (especially the higher frequencies). Does anyone know where I > can find this information? What wavelengths do cosmic rays represent? Cosmic rays are above X rays... I had a really good EM spectrum with wavelengths in a book, but I can't find it right now... sorry :-( > Also, has anyone thought that "scalar waves" might just be extremely > energetic (high frequency) EM waves? Hmmm, to explain the wierd properties, perhaps the E and M forces unify above a certain energy level? > Thanx, > Brian Fzzzt, ABW > QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu Boing (Surreal mood today) --- Forwards, he cried, from the rear - and the front ranks died.... The general sat, and the lines on the map, move from side to side... Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' Alaric B. Williams From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 00:55:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA18148 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 07:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA18043 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 07:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs010.NECTECH.COM by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA08055; Wed, 24 Jan 96 09:59:57 -0500 Received: by cs010.NECTECH.COM; Wed, 24 Jan 96 10:03:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 10:00:32 EST Message-Id: <4F06+EaY,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-UIDL: 834952770.541 From: "Robert A. Shannon" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Piezoelectric equation. X-Incognito-Sn: 320 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.00 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A "But you all know what I mean, i.e. an OVERUNITY battery." I understood that piezoelectric (and Hall effect) voltages were only produced while the stress levels changes across the crystal, but not under a static condition. Is this so? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 01:02:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA25857 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com (arl-img-6.compuserve.com [198.4.7.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA25657 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA27362; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:08:23 -0500 Date: 23 Jan 96 14:03:53 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.542 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: mystery inductor Message-ID: <960123190353_76216.2421_HHB82-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Reim - >I guess I don't get all of this. What does CF cells have to do with >ZPE anyway. I thought the mechanism for cold fusion is known and is >not related to ZPE. Also what is with the concern about tapping into >this theoretical ZPE and causing unknown problems, your only taking >guesses about what might happen. This is true about any new >technology. All of this concern and we still don't have a proven over >unity device, at least not that I am aware of yet. I think the mechanism is still unknown, but the ZPE is widely suspected as the source. Because whatever it is does seem to be some new process and not well understood, it might be revealing to see if the effects are the same away some distance from the earth. At least the gizmos are small and compact, and might be a nice experiment to try in space. I agree caution should be used and we should look for any biological and other side effects of using this energy, whatever it is. I really wouldn't worry very much about using some of it though at least in the near term. Remember, nothing is created or destroyed. There are very energetic systems that apparently it without penalty - the large portion of the sun's energy output which can't be accounted for by conventional (fusion) calculations might indicate this, for instance. But to take a lesson from our experience with the water of our planet - the problem isn't so much that we use some of it, it's that we pollute the rest of it. Perhaps we might eventually begin to cause waves or other disturbances in the energy field that in turn cause other damage of some kind in our environment. I would take oscillations or drift in the values of the fundamental constants of physics, massive earthquakes and volcanoes, super-hurricanes, and omnipotent super-beings descending in glory from the darkened skies as a definite warning that something has indeed gone horribly wrong. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 01:02:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA29483 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from haddock.cd.chalmers.se (hoven@haddock.cd.chalmers.se [129.16.79.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA29271 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hoven@localhost) by haddock.cd.chalmers.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id AAA21650 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:19:53 +0100 X-UIDL: 834952770.543 From: Hans-Ove Frimodig Message-Id: <199601232319.AAA21650@haddock.cd.chalmers.se> Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Hartman lines and dowsing. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:19:53 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <4F06+8,cykA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> from "Robert A. Shannon" at Jan 15, 96 11:26:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > "Anyone know if Hartman lines (or crosses) have any effects (or > risks), and what they may be. Or what effects, if any, Curry lines > have (excluding where they cross) or if there are any interactions or > effects between the 2 different kinds of lines? Are Ley lines a 3rd ........... > Are they detectable with electronic (including scalar) devices*? > Any strange physical effects atributable to these lines? (maybe even > some devices would work/not work near them??)" In a swedish book about these matters, the author claims that he has done experiments with Curry crosses and the sedimentation rate of the red blood cells. They took blood from a person, divided it into two tubes. They put one tube in a Curry cross and the other one 2 meters away, in a place with no lines and got up to 30 % difference in the sedimentation rate. Then they shaked the tubes and switched places with the same result. This should be easy to verify if you know how to find a Curry cross (I don't), and have access to some medical equipment. The book is "Jordstr}lning, v}r h{lsa och v}r kultur", in english something like "Earth radiation, our health and our culture" by Thord Neumuller, ISBN 91-73287849 If you think the swedish book title looks funny: it contains some swedish characters! /Hans-Ove Frimodig hoven@cd.chalmers.se From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 06:16:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA00816 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA00779 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA28485 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:01:15 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA822588740 Thu, 25 Jan 96 08:52:20 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 08:52:20 X-UIDL: 834952770.544 From: "reim" Encoding: 763 Text Message-Id: <9600258225.AA822588740@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Piezoelectric equation. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Yes. the hall effect does NOT work under a static load. I thought the person wanting to make a over unity device by cementing a piezoelectric device under stress was making a joke, but maybe he was just a little ( I use the term loosely) uninformed. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Re: Piezoelectric equation. Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/24/96 10:00 AM "But you all know what I mean, i.e. an OVERUNITY battery." I understood that piezoelectric (and Hall effect) voltages were only produced while the stress levels changes across the crystal, but not under a static condition. Is this so? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 06:34:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA05044 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from l2.conline.com (root@l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05019 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from LEVIATHAN (dal1-20.conline.com [204.96.7.20]) by l2.conline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA06868 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:32:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:32:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199601251432.IAA06868@l2.conline.com> X-Sender: fearl@l2.conline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.545 From: feal@conline.com (Frank Earl) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >WITHOUT A DOUBT, EISENHOWER'S REMARKS WERE PRESCIENT. BOTH CONSERVATISM AND >LIBERALISM UTTERLY FAILED TO HEED THE WARNING, IN FACT, BOTH ADDED ENORMOUS >IMPETOUS TO THE TAKEOVER. Ah, but that's another topic, now isn't it? :-) >Starlight was by action of top levels of the British government taken up >into the defense hole. Par for the course... Since the BusinessWeek article implied that it was able to withstand 10,000 degrees centigrade heat from the test lasers at Foulness (For those who don't know, Foulness is the Los Almos of the UK.). It shrugged off several Megawatts of laser power with only a little charring. No small wonder why. I feared the military snapping it up as much as the other that I stated. >It seems that it has the ability to block radioactivity as well, both >particles and waves, which puts it into the HIGH FREAKING MAGIC category. Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." Frank Earl- Earl Consulting Services From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 06:53:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA09470 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA09432 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.546 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaabb17213; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaabb20236; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:52:24 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA822592321; Thu, 25 Jan 96 09:46:11 EDT Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 09:46:11 EDT Encoding: 63 Text Message-Id: <9600258225.AA822592321@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: Hartman lines and dowsing. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: It's very interesting that the information about the H lines and C lines comes from European books. I have a book published in Spain whose title is "La casa sana" (The healthy house) that deals with that issue. I'm planning to build some detectors from the book. The book makes reference to "Geobiological Studies Association" from Spain. This organization is trying to promote the awareness in "geobiology" and "bioconstruction". They collect result from different studies. Their objective is the exchange of information related to the risk geobiologic factors that affect health and global well being. As you notice they not only deal with H lines. Their fields are environmental electricity, air ionization, magnetism, cosmic radiation, teluric alterations, artificial electricity, quality of air, pollution, sound pollution, illumination, radioactive pollution. I was very surprise to see the set of different standards related to electric wires from country to country. Anyway, I'll kept you posted about the different experiments to detect the lines (I'm kind of busy now). I'm planning to have a web page with information related to "geobiology" and see the possibility of having a "Geobiology American Association" if there is enough interest. One thing I found very interesting is the scientific approach to this phenomena. Have you heard about houses with high cancer incidence? Well, one explanation is that it is likely that the place has teluric alterations in combination with crossing of H and C lines. gee! I have to go. Ismael Flores flores1i@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Hartman lines and dowsing. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 01/25/96 04:33 AM > "Anyone know if Hartman lines (or crosses) have any effects (or > risks), and what they may be. Or what effects, if any, Curry lines > have (excluding where they cross) or if there are any interactions or > effects between the 2 different kinds of lines? Are Ley lines a 3rd ........... > Are they detectable with electronic (including scalar) devices*? > Any strange physical effects atributable to these lines? (maybe even > some devices would work/not work near them??)" In a swedish book about these matters, the author claims that he has done experiments with Curry crosses and the sedimentation rate of the red blood cells. They took blood from a person, divided it into two tubes. They put one tube in a Curry cross and the other one 2 meters away, in a place with no lines and got up to 30 % difference in the sedimentation rate. Then they shaked the tubes and switched places with the same result. This should be easy to verify if you know how to find a Curry cross (I don't), and have access to some medical equipment. The book is "Jordstr}lning, v}r h{lsa och v}r kultur", in english something like "Earth radiation, our health and our culture" by Thord Neumuller, ISBN 91-73287849 If you think the swedish book title looks funny: it contains some swedish characters! /Hans-Ove Frimodig hoven@cd.chalmers.se From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 08:25:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA25670 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA25616 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA12153 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:52:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA29408; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:52:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:52:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601251452.IAA29408@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.547 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >>It seems that it has the ability to block radioactivity as well, both >>particles and waves, which puts it into the HIGH FREAKING MAGIC category. > >Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned >physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny >that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. >They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." > >Frank Earl- >Earl Consulting Services My memory seems to have a lapse, I'm not sure what this material is. (You know what they say, as you get older the first thing to go is your memory and the second thing is ... I forget.) :-) Is this the stuff that looks like a piece of smoke? I vaguely remember a show where someone had something that looked like smoke in his hand and someone held a blowtorch onto it. I think on the same show there was something about a new metal with unbelievable strength. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 08:25:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA25682 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA25629 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA05166 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:24:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA19291; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:24:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:24:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601251424.IAA19291@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.548 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mystery inductor Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >Free-energy: I love it. It scares me... When can I drive my car to >California without paying for gas.... Will I leave the heater on all the >time, and make the world just a little bit hotter? Perhaps you will make one localized area of the planet hotter and another localized area colder. Maybe the net balance would be zero if they're close enough together. > >Will my free energy device spontaneously combust a human being in another >dimension? Don't laugh! It happened to my homework (though not a human >being) when I was in high-school. Perhaps! Maybe that's what happened to all those Spinal Tap drummers :-) > >When we, not just me or you, but we, all provide our fellow humans with >the right f/e option/plan, then I think the way will become suddenly and >amazingly clear.... > >I hope.... Me too! Everything I've seen here is speculation now, we don't know yet. All these answers WILL become eventually clear! > >Thank you all sincerely! > >Chad May > Zack Widup w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 10:43:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA14873 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14115 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id MAA12842; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:57:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:57:21 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.549 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601251432.IAA06868@l2.conline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The Startlight product may be as fantaic as people have stated, however, the mechanics behind such a material are somewhat simple, yet very hard to construct. For a material to resist anything, it must have mass. What they managed to do, is to raise the atomic density of a particular plastic (or polymer), to that which is comprable to say diamond or lead. However, if such a plastic were available to the public, with such a high atomic resistance, and probbably a high tensile strength, what would the weight be? For example, molybendium which has a temprature rating of 4730F (bout 1200C) has an atomic density of .367 pounds per square inch, wheras graphite has a density of .054psi. such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... Anyone care to comment? Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 13:34:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA11129 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA11043; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id QAA29099; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:27:39 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:30:52 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.550 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:05 PM 1/24/96, Keith Nagel wrote: >think about why those click starters for lighters need to be struck, and >only produce a pulse. By the way, save those little guys, they have many >uses... Keith, I just have to ask...what uses do they have? And how do they work anyway? Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 14:52:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA23035 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22949 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id RAA17646; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:35:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:35:09 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.551 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <199601251452.IAA29408@firefly.prairienet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Is this the stuff that looks like a piece of smoke? I vaguely remember a > show where someone had something that looked like smoke in his hand and > someone held a blowtorch onto it. I think on the same show there was > something about a new metal with unbelievable strength. > > Zack > w9sz@prairienet.org > > No, that definitely sounds like an aerogel of some kind, probably silicon aerogel. Aerogels are substances that are almost all air ( 99% approx ), and are a very lightweight class of materials that are VERY poor insulators of heat and sound, as well as having an astounding mass to strength ratio. They're being for everything from nets to capture space dust to Cerenkov radiation detectors. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 16:31:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA11796 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA11751 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id QAA07326; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:29:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.552 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: NOTICE: MISSING "fnrg:" ON freenrg-list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A security "burp" at eskimo.com made the configs of all the discussion lists be set to default. Which erased the "fnrg:" subject line from all freenrg-list messages. I just put it back, but be warned that a days worth of messages went out without the "fnrg:" on the subject line. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 18:12:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA02561 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02481 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id VAA05958; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:09:28 -0500 To: neotech@europe.std.com X-UIDL: 834952770.554 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: fnrg: Re[2]: ZPE Technology. Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 1:06 PM 1/25/96, rshannon@nectech.com wrote: >-> SearchNet's neotech Mailing List > > You can use a white noise generator, as wide band as possible, and > drive a loop of twisted pair, with a resistor to ground. If you have > shielded twisted pair, like intercom cable, then ground the shield. > [snip] > The far end of the twisted pair should be shorted, and the impedance > matching resistor placed at the driven end, from the return pair to > ground. Bob, I'd like to give it a try. Let's see if I've got the schematic correct: One end of a two-conductor twisted pair is shorted. At the other end, one lead is connected to the noise generator output, and the other lead is connected through a resistor to ground. The value of the resistor equals the output impedance of the noise generator. Somehow this doesn't look right. Am I missing something? Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate and Clinical Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 19:31:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA18751 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA18741 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:31:08 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.555 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA28389 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:10:02 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D6694JJ Thu, Jan 25, 1996 20:54:37 EST Message-Id: <9601252054.D6694JJ@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 20:23:25 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MW>>I distinctly remember reading in BusinessWeek (Where I had heard about MW>>startlight...) Anybody know what issue of Business Week it was? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Jan 25 19:44:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA21123 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21097 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw78.fastlane.net (fw78.fastlane.net [206.42.189.78]) by fastlane.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03829 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:39:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601260439.WAA03829@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:45:49 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.556 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Frank Earl expounded on Starlite, and said: > >Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned >physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny >that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. >They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." > > >Frank Earl- >Earl Consulting Services > Don't you just _HATE_ it when those pesky old physics laws don't work??? ;) Bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 00:51:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA13715 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13553; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:28:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:28:34 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.557 From: Tony Rusi To: "Robert A. Shannon" cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Piezoelectric equation. In-Reply-To: <4F06+EaY,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Robert A. Shannon wrote: > "But you all know what I mean, i.e. an OVERUNITY battery." > > I understood that piezoelectric (and Hall effect) voltages were only > produced while the > stress levels changes across the crystal, but not under a static condition. > > Is this so? > Uh that's a rog Rob. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 00:51:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA23613 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com (arl-img-6.compuserve.com [198.4.7.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23324 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA19159; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:34:16 -0500 Date: 25 Jan 96 14:33:31 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.558 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: ZPE density Message-ID: <960125193330_76216.2421_HHB61-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alaric - >Quote I've heard is that the ZPE in the volume of a coffee cup could >boil the oceans off of the planet. Now *that's* some fine cuppa joe! I'll gladly trade in my daily pot of Kona blend for that! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 00:52:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA12533 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA12346 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:20:35 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.559 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA13866; Thu, 25 Jan 96 13:03:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA822604064; Thu, 25 Jan 96 13:06:43 EST Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 13:06:43 EST Message-Id: <9600258226.AA822604064@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: neotech@europe.std.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: ZPE Technology. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You can use a white noise generator, as wide band as possible, and drive a loop of twisted pair, with a resistor to ground. If you have shielded twisted pair, like intercom cable, then ground the shield. I recommend quantum noise sources, do not use any of the psudorandom noise source chips for this! Reverse biased zerner diodes work well, but you may need to try a few to get one with "good" noise generation behavior. Plain old resistors are also good noise sources as well. The far end of the twisted pair should be shorted, and the impedance matching resistor placed at the driven end, from the return pair to ground. The noise current will produce a magnetic field that is opposite that of the return pair. This will still "leak" some EM rather than completely cancel the noise signal. Be sure that you do not radiate lots of wide band EM noise, as this is a violation of FCC regs, etc. In a quiet room, hang this cable around a chair or similar place to rest. Turn on the noise driver and observe. Note any alterations of the actions of the normal posphenes with your eyes closed. If you have access to a GSR or EEG/EKG system, try to detect any response to the field. Check the frequency components of the EEG/EKG. Stressed out after a long day of deterministic EM exposure? Spend a few minutes in this area with the device in operation. Any changes? Had an experiment go badly? Odd effects lingering around the shop? Try your new quantum noise scalar field generator! Expose the area to the output from the radiator over night, allow the area to rest, and repeat treatment as needed. Try also. plant growth tests, etc. "It even makes Julian fries!" Disclaimer: this "toung in cheek" post might represent a device that could "alter the form or function of man" and therefore may fall under the authority of the FDA or other regulatory agencies. This is described as a "thought experiment" only for theoretical discussion. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: ZPE Technology. Author: neotech@facteur.std.com at ccgate Date: 1/24/96 9:26 PM -> SearchNet's neotech Mailing List On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Robert A. Shannon wrote: > In my experience, it is quite practical to entrain the protected persons > with > a local field rich in specific fractaly nested frequencies which produce a > composite chaotic signal as a result. By using the frequency following > phenomena, (not limited to the nervous system only) a good deal of > 'protection' may be realized. Does a transmitter as you describe above simply have health effects, or might it's operation be detectable by nearby humans? Supposing that the "normal" modern world is full of possibly unhealthy entrainment signals, if I build an EM generator and feed it with a 1/f noise source, will I feel anything when it's turned on? More importantly, will I feel anything when someone else suddenly turns it on or off? I'm thinking along the lines of whitenoise audio masking generators, such as the "rain noise" boxes that help people sleep in noisy environments. A 1/f EM generator might act like a silent version of these, and help to reduce stress in bad city EM environments. If its effects could be immediately felt by nearby humans, it would go a long way towards defeating skepticism about the harmful effects of EM. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page -> Posted by: William Beaty From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 00:56:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA06657 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lobster.wellfleet.com (lobster.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.253.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA06515 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.BayNetworks.com (pobox.corpeast.baynetworks.com) by lobster.wellfleet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07470; Thu, 25 Jan 96 12:33:06 EST Received: from aether.engeast by pobox.BayNetworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17485; Thu, 25 Jan 96 12:33:57 EST Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 12:33:57 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.560 From: juban@baynetworks.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <9601251733.AA17485@pobox.BayNetworks.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just saw in a high-end audio magazine an ad from Bedini Electronics for his Clarifier product. This presumably is a more refined version of the magnetic device that BillB posted from Mr. Bedini, as applied to a music CD to improve its sound quality. The ad included clips from at least 6 different reviewers from other independent high-end audio mags who all praised the product as making significant improvements in the sonic performance of treated CDs.! Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 00:58:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA27838 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27787 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p6.aa.net (s1c1p6.aa.net [204.157.220.178]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22205 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:12:00 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601252012.MAA22205@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:12:05 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.561 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:52 AM 1/25/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >> >>>It seems that it has the ability to block radioactivity as well, both >>>particles and waves, which puts it into the HIGH FREAKING MAGIC category. >> >>Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned >>physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny >>that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. >>They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." >> >>Frank Earl- >>Earl Consulting Services > >My memory seems to have a lapse, I'm not sure what this material is. >(You know what they say, as you get older the first thing to go is your >memory and the second thing is ... I forget.) :-) > >Is this the stuff that looks like a piece of smoke? I vaguely remember a >show where someone had something that looked like smoke in his hand and >someone held a blowtorch onto it. I think on the same show there was >something about a new metal with unbelievable strength. > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > a polymer - plastic called starlight by the inventor whose "alchemical background" is hair chemistry - he was a hair dresser for some time. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 01:01:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA27819 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27793 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p6.aa.net (s1c1p6.aa.net [204.157.220.178]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22202 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:11:56 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601252011.MAA22202@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:12:01 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.562 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:57 PM 1/25/96 -0500, you wrote: > >The Startlight product may be as fantaic as people have stated, however, >the mechanics behind such a material are somewhat simple, yet very hard >to construct. > >For a material to resist anything, it must have mass. What they managed >to do, is to raise the atomic density of a particular plastic (or >polymer), to that which is comprable to say diamond or lead. > >However, if such a plastic were available to the public, with such a high >atomic resistance, and probbably a high tensile strength, what would the >weight be? For example, molybendium which has a temprature rating of >4730F (bout 1200C) has an atomic density of .367 pounds per square inch, >wheras graphite has a density of .054psi. > >such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. >Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe >not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... > >Anyone care to comment? > >Wolf > >Skyward Aerospace >(905)685-8726 Extension #1 >wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca > >"There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" > > > your mass theorem is a very bad assumption plastic polymrs are primarily carbon and gases whatever else is thrown in just aint gonna get the mass close to where you would want it to do AND despite the incredible mass of lead, it melts easily at low temp who says you need the mass? it isnt an inertia thing, the stuff does not absorb energy thus transmitting to the other side it reflects the essense is in the geometry of itself and the structure of space it creates to reflect the energies that is why starlight is so fascinating it shows that geometry of structure/space has function, that equations of mass/energy of themselves are incomplete it is just one more rabbit peeking out the morning magician's hat alongside cf, zpe, radiation neutralization, ou magnetic motors...man, there is a whole passel of posums in that hat along side the easter bunny and his cousins. They are all part of the paradigm which is about to shift. It may take the theorticians 20 yrs to tie it all together, but the Rutherford's will have some phenomenon baselines out in just a few years, you can smell it and taste it. Skyward people should think GEOMETRY OF SPACE ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 01:05:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA08828 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnct.com (root@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08784 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from @cnct.com (knagel@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15429 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:21:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199601260021.TAA15429@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.563 From: knagel@cnct.com (Keith Nagel) Subject: Click starters Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MOB writes "I just have to ask...what uses do they have? And how do they work anyway?" Well, click starters are basically composed of a barrium titanate crystal, with a spring and plunger mechanism to strike the crystal. Electrodes on each side transduce the rate of change of pressure to charge. What use are they? Can you design a >10KV pulse generator in a 3cm^2 volume with no batteries? These things are God's gift to man, IMHO. K. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 01:10:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA09571 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09521 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id QAA06301; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:18:07 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.564 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Piezoelectric equation. In-Reply-To: <4F06+EaY,lA@cs010.NECTECH.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Robert A. Shannon wrote: > "But you all know what I mean, i.e. an OVERUNITY battery." > > I understood that piezoelectric (and Hall effect) voltages were only > produced while the > stress levels changes across the crystal, but not under a static condition. > > Is this so? Pretty close. Piezo materials act like capacitors which are charged by mechanical distortion. If neutral to begin with, charges become separated when pressure is applied. If then released, the charge imbalance disappears again. But if discharged through a load and then released, an opposite charge imbalance appears, and the device can be discharged again. If placed between metal plates and connected to a short circuit, there will only be a current during the compression or releasing. Presumably all the stored mechanical stress energy is not returned to the squeezing mechanism if the device is connected to a load, so the squeezing mechanism must do work in order to squeeze and release. I say "presumably," because I doubt that anyone ever did preceise energy measurements on such a device to see if conservation of energy might be slightly violated. I think the system is analogous to a coil and magnet, with the piezo block acting like a coil, and the squeezing device acting like the magnet. Vibrate a magnet in a coil, and you can drive a current through a load. Vibrate a piezo block, and you can apply a voltage across a load. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 04:23:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA04620 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 04:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA04612 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 04:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c1p5.aa.net (s3c1p5.aa.net [204.157.220.145]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA06292 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 04:21:14 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601261221.EAA06292@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:20:44 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.565 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:23 AM 1/26/96 EST, you wrote: > > > >WS>For a material to resist anything, it must have mass. What they managed >WS>to do, is to raise the atomic density of a particular plastic (or >WS>polymer), to that which is comprable to say diamond or lead. > >WS>However, if such a plastic were available to the public, with such a high >WS>atomic resistance, and probbably a high tensile strength, what would the >WS>weight be? For example, molybendium which has a temprature rating of >WS>4730F (bout 1200C) has an atomic density of .367 pounds per square inch, >WS>wheras graphite has a density of .054psi. > >WS>such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. >WS>Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe >WS>not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... > >WS>Anyone care to comment? > >When I saw the report on NBC, Starlight plastic looked like white goop >about >he consistancy of toothpaste. >It did not appear to have high tensile strength or weight. >A NASA test film showed a plasma torch would not faze it, and confirmed >it was >VERY REAL. The NASA scientist was VERY thrilled. >It was instantly cold after heat was removed. It seemed only >explainable if all >heat energy was being absorbed and converted to mass instantly. It was >said >to stop other radiation as well. It is not an areogell, but looked >more like a paste. >Someone mentioned it was given coverage in Business Week and recently >on the >Discovery channel. > > you guys are still missing the point it is CLEARLY NOT ABSORBING ENERGY. it's structure REFLECTS ENERGY, bends it back towards the source. the inertia of mass has nothing to do with it. the conversion of energy to mass has nothing to do with it this high freaking magic is literally an energy mirror ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 05:12:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA09419 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 05:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA09407 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 05:12:36 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.566 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaaem25604; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaaem00835; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:12:28 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA822672762; Fri, 26 Jan 96 08:07:21 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 08:07:21 EDT Encoding: 16 Text Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822672762@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Do you know in which magazine? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Bedini Clarifier Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 01/25/96 12:33 PM I just saw in a high-end audio magazine an ad from Bedini Electronics for his Clarifier product. This presumably is a more refined version of the magnetic device that BillB posted from Mr. Bedini, as applied to a music CD to improve its sound quality. The ad included clips from at least 6 different reviewers from other independent high-end audio mags who all praised the product as making significant improvements in the sonic performance of treated CDs.! Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 06:40:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA22065 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA22040 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA07162 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:21:29 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA822676335 Fri, 26 Jan 96 09:12:15 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 09:12:15 X-UIDL: 834952770.567 From: "reim" Encoding: 1984 Text Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822676335@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: What are you talking about??? do you mean MOLYBDENUM. Also what kind of calculator do you use? 1200 C is 2192 F not 4730 F. What is Atomic Density, do you mean just density. And what about the units, you use PSI which is a pressure measurement where Density is in mass/volume. For give me for asking but if I recall when you first joined this group you said you were a research scientist. But based on past posting from you, they usually contain gross technical errors, I have to ask what is your technical background??? you wrote ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/25/96 3:34 PM The Startlight product may be as fantaic as people have stated, however, the mechanics behind such a material are somewhat simple, yet very hard to construct. For a material to resist anything, it must have mass. What they managed to do, is to raise the atomic density of a particular plastic (or polymer), to that which is comprable to say diamond or lead. However, if such a plastic were available to the public, with such a high atomic resistance, and probbably a high tensile strength, what would the weight be? For example, molybendium which has a temprature rating of 4730F (bout 1200C) has an atomic density of .367 pounds per square inch, wheras graphite has a density of .054psi. such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... Anyone care to comment? Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 07:49:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA04213 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU (root@bigboote.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA04183 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bigwpi.WPI.EDU (bondo@bigwpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.56]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10334 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:49:25 -0500 Received: (from bondo@localhost) by bigwpi.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09828; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:49:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:49:23 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.568 From: Derek Bond To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Charles Choi (SAR) wrote: > > Is this the stuff that looks like a piece of smoke? I vaguely remember a > > show where someone had something that looked like smoke in his hand and > > someone held a blowtorch onto it. I think on the same show there was > > something about a new metal with unbelievable strength. > > > > Zack > > w9sz@prairienet.org > > > > > No, that definitely sounds like an aerogel of some kind, probably silicon > aerogel. Aerogels are substances that are almost all air ( 99% approx ), > and are a very lightweight class of materials that are VERY poor ^^^^^^^^^^ > insulators of heat and sound, as well as having an astounding mass to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > strength ratio. They're being for everything from nets to capture space > dust to Cerenkov radiation detectors. > I don't know about the sound part, but aerogels are very poor conductors of heat, not very poor insulators. I am not sure what magazine it was in, but about two years ago, I read several articles about aerogels. I think it may have been Scientific American or something like that. The articles stated that aerogels were very good insulators, and that if they were cheaper, they could someday be used to insulate refrigerators and clear ones could be put between window panes. Derek Bond From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 07:58:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA06180 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA06141; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA16007; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:58:50 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA22052; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:56:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:56:20 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.569 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: USA-TESLA@usa.net, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, wram.com@ix.netcom.com, kavosh@mnsinc.com, immune@weber.ucsd.edu, neil@lablinks.com, billb@eskimo.com, Steve Bugher , Mark Montgomery at NMAA , James Stewart at State , "James M. Talens" , smb@nmaa.org Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: MRX Technology, Rife & Tesla In-Reply-To: <3107572C.1CD8@nmaa.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Steve Bugher wrote: > This sounds alot like Royal Rife's work. Can anyone provide more on-line > may work. He was also able to kill viri and other diseases including some > cancers. > > Chuck Knight wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, William J. Ward wrote: > > > > > What he was describing was this fabulous new > > > technology that could cure everything from athelete's foot to AIDS. > > > > Sounds good so far... > > > > > magnetic resonance imaging technologies. Basically, what the MRX system is > > > supposed to do is find the "natural resonant response" of the chemical bonds > > > of molecules. Then, it merely applies this 'signature' energy in such > > > quantities that the targeted molecule shatters. > > > > Still good...sounds a little derivitive of Rife, but still seems sound. > > > > > Well, that >sounds< reasonable. Resonance can cause bridges to break up and > > > wine glasses to shatter. So, why not molecules? > > > > Agreed...but here's a thought. > > > > All carbon based lifeforms on this planet are composed of the same basic > > compounds...whether we are talking about people, or virii. How could we > > differentiate between the molecules of a person, and the molecules of a > > virus? Seems like a necessary first step, before using this technology > > to fight disease. > > > > > Check it out. If it's a scam, let's expose it. If it's legitimate, let's > > > promote it. > > Well, you understand my concerns...but it sounds like it has some merit. > > > > -- Chuck Knight > Steve. > I think I might be the inventor of this. I mentioned it to billb@eskimo.com about two months ago. I do not have the resources, confidence, equipment, or knowledge to develop it, so I am not asking for funds or anything else. However, as an idea it makes as least as much sense as radiation therapy; I know that resonance is VERY selective. Water resonates at 2450 MHz. Ammonia has another frequency. It's amazing how different similar-molecules are. The spectrum has a practically infinite amount of frequencies. The molecules we want to destroy are ones that are in the infectious agent but not the person, such as unique proteins or even the DNA of the virus or bacterium. Maybe we could resonate the shape of the germ. Again, I am not developing this. I thought of it while upset about having dreamed about being tested for AIDS and found positive. If someone out there can develop it I'm hoping they will, for their own sake and for the sake of all the sick people. If I do get sick I will make a bigger effort to find researchers, even sick ones who have a major incentive, who may be able to help develop this technology. (IT'S NOT BEING SUPPRESSED. IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE YET.) CC/Impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 08:00:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA06497 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA06443 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.570 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA05765; Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:55:53 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA822682774; Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:55:48 EST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:55:48 EST Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822682774@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: Neotech@world.std.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: ZPE techgnology. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I'd like to give it a try. Let's see if I've got the schematic >correct: > >One end of a two-conductor twisted pair is shorted. At the other >end, one lead is connected to the noise generator output, and the >other lead is connected through a resistor to ground. The value of >the resistor equals the output impedance of the noise generator. > >Somehow this doesn't look right. Am I missing something? No, you have it correctly there. Current from the noise source flows along one pair, changes direction, and flows back along the same path. Some degree of EM field cancellation occurs. The current then flows through a load resistor to ground, so the source is happy, and does not drive the low impedance of the field cancellation line alone. The load resistor is placed below the twisted pair line in terms of electrostatic potential, such that the twisted pair line is above ground by the voltage dropped across the load resistor. If shielded twisted pair is used, the shield should be grounded. You will find that if the pairs are well coupled, even very well shielded twisted pair will leak EM noise. This will be difficult to prevent, and is as it should be. You must be careful not to cause interference in this work, the device described is a nightmare from a radio standpoint. A wide band instrumentation amplifier/driver should be used to feed the line. I highly recommend the LH0033C from National Semi. for this application. Provisions should be made to control the output power levels. Tests should be made to see how much is enough, and how much is too much power to use. I should also mention that tests with random event generators may well show quite interesting results. This may be combined with tests of the ability of people to effect the same random event generator at different power levels, etc.. as well as with the noise source alone. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 08:07:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA07966 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA07925 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA16129; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:08:42 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA22508; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:06:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.571 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier In-Reply-To: <9601251733.AA17485@pobox.BayNetworks.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Jim Uban wrote: > I just saw in a high-end audio magazine an ad from > Bedini Electronics for his Clarifier product. This presumably > is a more refined version of the magnetic device that BillB > posted from Mr. Bedini, as applied to a music CD to improve > its sound quality. The ad included clips from at least 6 > different reviewers from other independent high-end audio > mags who all praised the product as making significant > improvements in the sonic performance of treated CDs.! Jim > CD's are digital. Made of zero's and one's. Zero= 0 volts; One= 5 volts. Even lots of noise can't change it's state. The laser beam in a $99 hong-kong CD player gets the same data as the one in a $1999 studio-quality unit. I just had this conversation with some fool who was going to buy a CD player with TUBES in it, and fiber-optic links. The bottleneck is never the CD player, it's the speakers. There is nothing you can do to a CD to improve it's quality, except in rare cases, to pucker up and blow the dust off of it. CC/Impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 08:28:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA11776 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA11534 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id LAA15157; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:22:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:22:33 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.572 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199601252011.MAA22202@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: > > your mass theorem is a very bad assumption > > plastic polymrs are primarily carbon and gases > whatever else is thrown in just aint gonna get the mass close to where you > would want it to do > AND despite the incredible mass of lead, it melts easily at low temp > Doesn't lead melt at about 850F? > > who says you need the mass? > it isnt an inertia thing, > the stuff does not absorb energy thus transmitting to the other side > it reflects > the essense is in the geometry of itself and the structure of space it > creates to reflect the energies > that is why starlight is so fascinating > it shows that geometry of structure/space has function, that equations of Well, the reason I figured you'd need mass is to stop heat transition through a wall. Take the RCC tiles on the space shuttle, mostly carbon, and have a super high mass, and a somewhat low weight (I think), thier high mass stops the heat from passing through them, and can take the heat down from about 4,400F to about 300F. Your geometry concept is very interessting, tell me more... Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 08:34:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA13028 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA12894 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id LAA16400; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:29:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:29:59 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.573 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: Re[2]: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <9600268226.AA822676335@irout.advantor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, reim wrote: > > > > What are you talking about??? do you mean MOLYBDENUM. Also what kind > of calculator do you use? 1200 C is 2192 F not 4730 F. What is > Atomic Density, do you mean just density. And what about the units, > you use PSI which is a pressure measurement where Density is in > mass/volume. For give me for asking but if I recall when you first > joined this group you said you were a research scientist. But based > on past posting from you, they usually contain gross technical errors, > I have to ask what is your technical background??? > Actually, I recived the information about molybendium from a local library, and I'm really bad at imperial conversion. Infact, I have no idea how long an inch is. When I joined the group I stated I was an aeronautical engineer, I am a graduate of Univerity of Toronto's Aeronautical Science division. Wolf SKyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 09:15:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA21054 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lobster.wellfleet.com (lobster.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.253.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20988 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.BayNetworks.com (pobox.corpeast.baynetworks.com) by lobster.wellfleet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16703; Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:11:01 EST Received: from aether.engeast by pobox.BayNetworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16423; Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:11:51 EST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:11:51 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.574 From: juban@baynetworks.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <9601261711.AA16423@pobox.BayNetworks.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Christopher Comeaux wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Jim Uban wrote: > > > I just saw in a high-end audio magazine an ad from > > Bedini Electronics for his Clarifier product. This presumably > > is a more refined version of the magnetic device that BillB > > posted from Mr. Bedini, as applied to a music CD to improve > > its sound quality. The ad included clips from at least 6 > > different reviewers from other independent high-end audio > > mags who all praised the product as making significant > > improvements in the sonic performance of treated CDs.! Jim > > > CD's are digital. Made of zero's and one's. Zero= 0 volts; > One= 5 volts. Even lots of noise can't change it's state. The > laser beam in a $99 hong-kong CD player gets the same data as > the one in a $1999 studio-quality unit. I just had this conversation > with some fool who was going to buy a CD player with TUBES in it, > and fiber-optic links. The bottleneck is never the CD player, it's > the speakers. > There is nothing you can do to a CD to improve it's quality, > except in rare cases, to pucker up and blow the dust off of it. Christopher, I can't disagree with your description of the data on a CD. However, the CD player your acquaintance was discussing probably used the tubes in the digital-to-analog (D/A) conversion section in the player, where the quality of the electronics can make a dramatic difference. Further, issues like jitter of the digital data (the variation in time of when each digital point comes out) can also affect the quality of the sound, as more jitter means more noise. More expensive units often address these two points. Per the sound getting better when treated with the Bedini Clarifier, well, the reviewers know what they are hearing and would not make their statements just for fun. The several reviewers were from reputable magazines. So, then, how could the sound be affected? The one thing about CDs is they have a rather large noise rate. To cover for this, there is a lot of encoded error correction. If this doesn't cover a given data point enough, then the data would have to be interpolated. Maybe the Clarifier improves the data pickup by reducing noise and thus improving sound. Maybe it does this by treating the surface or the plactic media or the metal data somehow, so the reflectivity is better. I don't know how this would happen, but this whole 'scalar' EM area is new and mostly unknown and un-understood. From the point of view of my last statement, we could get more mystical and say the application of 'scalar' fields to the CD was picked up on the light reflections and went into the electronics and improved its operation!! I don't personally believe this idea though! Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 09:39:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA25772 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from piltdown.phantom.com (piltdown.phantom.com [198.67.3.23]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA25732 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.183.52.80] ([204.183.52.80]) by piltdown.phantom.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA12579 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:38:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:38:23 -0500 X-Sender: kgo@mailhost.phantom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.575 From: kgo@phantom.com (Kevin G. O'Neill) Subject: Re: fnrg: Radiation... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FYI: Edmund Scientific has a terrific poster on the electromagnetic spectrum. It originates from the Exploritorium in SFX, I believe. (I remember lots of pale blue government-use-only sections too.) -Kevin >On 23 Jan 96 at 0:55, Brian wrote: >> Hi Folks! >> >> Lately I have had a burning question on my mind that perhaps >>someone here >> can help me with. > >(sizzle) > >> Does anyone know the spectrum of electromagnetic energy that >> strikes the Earth? Of course there is the visible spectrum, but what about >> other wavelenths (especially the higher frequencies). Does anyone know >>where I >> can find this information? What wavelengths do cosmic rays represent? > >Cosmic rays are above X rays... I had a really good EM spectrum with >wavelengths in a book, but I can't find it right now... sorry :-( > >> Also, has anyone thought that "scalar waves" might just be extremely >> energetic (high frequency) EM waves? > >Hmmm, to explain the wierd properties, perhaps the E and M forces unify above >a certain energy level? > >> Thanx, > >> Brian > >Fzzzt, > > >ABW > >> QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu > >Boing > >(Surreal mood today) >--- > >Forwards, he cried, from the rear - >and the front ranks died.... >The general sat, and the lines on the map, >move from side to side... > >Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' > >Alaric B. Williams Sig: Kevin O'Neill/Image Axis,Inc/NY,NY/kgo@phantom.com/212.989.5000 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 10:00:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA29677 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29617 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:58:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.576 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA09424; Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:53:13 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA822689835; Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:55:03 EST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:55:03 EST Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822689835@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com, Neotech@world.std.com Subject: fnrg: Re: ZPE Technology. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >(IT'S NOT BEING SUPPRESSED. IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE YET.) I think you might want to look into this a bit more before making this statement. Priore's work was done, but is not commonly accepted. If this is suppression or not may be a matter of opinion, but the work being done currently by researchers is a matter of fact. Boarderland Sciences has worked to promote a crude version of the devices developed by Lakhovisky, and many have produced such machines. while not as advanced as Lakhovisky's later and better devices, there is still interest in this technology. There are other devices of a similar nature, and a number of patents exist on these devices. More are being developed currently. Sadly, the medical establishment does not investigate such technology to the degree some feel is deserved, but the work is ongoing. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 10:30:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA05698 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05673 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.577 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA10279; Fri, 26 Jan 96 13:25:22 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA822691760; Fri, 26 Jan 96 13:27:13 EST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 13:27:13 EST Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822691760@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >CD's are digital. Made of zero's and one's. Zero= 0 volts; >One= 5 volts. Even lots of noise can't change it's state. The laser >beam in a $99 hong-kong CD player gets the same data as >the one in a $1999 studio-quality unit. I just had this conversation >with some fool who was going to buy a CD player with TUBES in it, and >fiber-optic links. The bottleneck is never the CD player, it's the >speakers. >There is nothing you can do to a CD to improve it's quality, >except in rare cases, to pucker up and blow the dust off of it. Well, that's what we are taught to think traditionally. We must also remember that the CD, or any object has a quantum wave function. The data exists as regions of phase-state of the material, and is 'interpreted' by the laser. There are read errors, and read reliability issues even for CD-ROM Media. The read process does involve probabilities and wave interactions. If the device does indeed have a discernible effect to a trained ear, then we can only say that there is an effect we do not understand from a conventional approach, yet. If the device produces a alteration of the frequency/phase components of the reproduced signal that are detectable to electronic equipment such as spectrum analyzers and the like, then we might infer that we had effected the recording directly in an unusual way. If the "change" in sound quality is not detectable to such equipment, this does not imply that there was no effect. A good set of ears can in fact detect the difference between solid state amplifiers and tube based amplifiers, but this difference is not easy to measure with good equipment. It may well be that this process effects the recording in a more subtle way than is described by the conventional concepts, but this in no way disproves the effect, if real. Perhaps the effect has more to do with the perception of the reproduction of the recorded sound than it does with the recording itself? My point is, if the effect is observed, it cannot be dismissed because it does not fit comfortably into the current paradigm. Has anyone reproduced this effect yet? Are there spectral analysis available for study? Has this been tested on digital data? (ever fixed a hard read error this way?) I'd love to see a 440hz sine wave recorded onto a CD, with several different phase relationships between the stereo channels. Treat half of the CD, and leave the other identical half untreated. FFT analysis of the two halves of the CD will answer some, but not all questions raised by this device. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 10:39:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA07595 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA07512 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA15443 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:38:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA21671; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:38:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:38:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601261838.MAA21671@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.578 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >Christopher Comeaux wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Jim Uban wrote: >> >> > I just saw in a high-end audio magazine an ad from >> > Bedini Electronics for his Clarifier product. This presumably >> > is a more refined version of the magnetic device that BillB >> > posted from Mr. Bedini, as applied to a music CD to improve >> > its sound quality. The ad included clips from at least 6 >> > different reviewers from other independent high-end audio >> > mags who all praised the product as making significant >> > improvements in the sonic performance of treated CDs.! Jim >> > >> CD's are digital. Made of zero's and one's. Zero= 0 volts; >> One= 5 volts. Even lots of noise can't change it's state. The >> laser beam in a $99 hong-kong CD player gets the same data as >> the one in a $1999 studio-quality unit. I just had this conversation >> with some fool who was going to buy a CD player with TUBES in it, >> and fiber-optic links. The bottleneck is never the CD player, it's >> the speakers. >> There is nothing you can do to a CD to improve it's quality, >> except in rare cases, to pucker up and blow the dust off of it. > >Christopher, > I can't disagree with your description of the data on a >CD. However, the CD player your acquaintance was discussing >probably used the tubes in the digital-to-analog (D/A) conversion >section in the player, where the quality of the electronics can >make a dramatic difference. Further, issues like jitter of the >digital data (the variation in time of when each digital point >comes out) can also affect the quality of the sound, as more >jitter means more noise. More expensive units often address >these two points. Yes! Up to the point where the digital data gets turned into analog data, it doesn't matter. But with the analog signals, tubes do better. Transistors are exponential devices, and tubes are square-law devices (less distortion which is more easily dealt with.) I am not one to assign theories to an unknown phenomenon someone describes ... I have to try it out myself and see if it works as described. Hopefully I will try out the CD experiment soon and I will let you all know of the results of it. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 11:31:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA02527 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02509; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id OAA12023; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:27:49 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:31:03 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, Neotech@world.std.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.579 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: ZPE techgnology. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:55 AM 1/26/96, rshannon@nectech.com wrote: > >Somehow this doesn't look right. Am I missing something? > > No, you have it correctly there. Bob, Thanks! Two more questions: Do you have a recommended length for the twisted pair? Is the twisted pair simple stretched out straight, like a whip antenna? Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 11:31:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA02645 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02565; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id OAA12097; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:27:56 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:31:12 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.580 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: MRX Technology, Rife & Tesla Cc: USA-TESLA@usa.net, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, wram.com@ix.netcom.com, kavosh@mnsinc.com, immune@weber.ucsd.edu, neil@lablinks.com, billb@eskimo.com, Steve Bugher , Mark Montgomery at NMAA , James Stewart at State , "James M. Talens" Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:56 AM 1/26/96, Christopher Comeaux wrote: > However, as an idea it makes as least as much sense as radiation >therapy; I know that resonance is VERY selective. Water resonates at >2450 MHz. Ammonia has another frequency. It's amazing how different >similar-molecules are. The spectrum has a practically infinite >amount of frequencies. The molecules we want to destroy are ones that >are in the infectious agent but not the person, such as unique >proteins or even the DNA of the virus or bacterium. Maybe we could >resonate the shape of the germ. The table of Rife frequencies I've seen are mostly in the low audio range, less that 6Khz. I notice that the resonance freq for water is in the microwave range. Of course, the larger the molecule, the lower it's resonance freq (intuitively, at least). Are we talking about a certain range of freq, all microwave for instance, or are these resonances spread across the whole electromagnetic spectrum? Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 12:41:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA17347 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com (arl-img-6.compuserve.com [198.4.7.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA17259 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA29817; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:39:01 -0500 Date: 26 Jan 96 15:36:21 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.581 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: MRX Technology, Rife... Message-ID: <960126203620_76216.2421_HHB47-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Michael - You wrote: >The table of Rife frequencies I've seen are mostly in the >low audio range,less that 6Khz. Do you know if the Rife frequencies are the same thing as the ionic resonant frequencies? And would you (or anyone here?) happen to have a reference to the table you mentioned, or other molecular resonant frequency tables for various materials? Thanks...again , - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 14:52:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA13079 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA13033 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p4.aa.net (s3c0p4.aa.net [204.157.220.136]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02781 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:46:32 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601262246.OAA02781@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:47:09 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.582 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:22 AM 1/26/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: >> >> your mass theorem is a very bad assumption >> >> plastic polymrs are primarily carbon and gases >> whatever else is thrown in just aint gonna get the mass close to where you >> would want it to do >> AND despite the incredible mass of lead, it melts easily at low temp >> >Doesn't lead melt at about 850F? > >> >> who says you need the mass? >> it isnt an inertia thing, >> the stuff does not absorb energy thus transmitting to the other side >> it reflects >> the essense is in the geometry of itself and the structure of space it >> creates to reflect the energies >> that is why starlight is so fascinating >> it shows that geometry of structure/space has function, that equations of > >Well, the reason I figured you'd need mass is to stop heat transition >through a wall. Take the RCC tiles on the space shuttle, mostly carbon, >and have a super high mass, and a somewhat low weight (I think), thier >high mass stops the heat from passing through them, and can take the heat >down from about 4,400F to about 300F. > >Your geometry concept is very interessting, tell me more... > >Skyward Aerospace >(905)685-8726 Extension #1 >wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca > >"There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" > > > read Plato on the subject of universal forms read Russell: The Universal One that will get you started In this area, I am a philospher, an ersatz experimenter, and a businessman. All I can do is point to the direction of a better philosophical basis for concepts and I am also pretty good at comprehending the socio-political implications of concepts and technologies. The hard sciences are very very weak in their philosophical grounding and I can critque them on that ground but I do not have the detailed working with the matter nor the math to work the proper concepts down into a working scientific appproach for a particular subject. So I throw out stuff as above as pointers which might set off a chain of associational logic in someone who is trying to solve a particular technical problem. The non-linear approach to a stalled "solution" is what usually brings in the new idea or information which unlocks the solution. Most people are addressing scientific concepts and technical stuff in 2-d flat table top concepts. Thinking 3-d and 4-d is where it gets geometrical and where it gets going. That is why I especially toss that concept in. Plato was one of history's top ten guys. Only Jesus and Buddha have had more influence on the minds of humanity. Russell has had very little influence, apparently because he had a king size ego. Nonetheless, his Opus, The Universal One, is pretty amazing. He lays out the basis for thinking about matter in the terms of Plato's universal forms (geometric constructs). He even lays out the geometry of transmutation, which was partly verified in at least one experiment. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 17:43:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA16658 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA16642 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma8-19.ix.netcom.com by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA11058; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:39:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:39:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199601270139.RAA11058@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.583 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: MRX Technology, Rife... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was walking through building 1 at MIT today. The fluid mechanics bulletin board featured a display of the advantages of nano sized sensors. To make a long story short, it was stated that the Mean Free Path of air at standard conditions is 50 nm. For some reason, I get the feeling that mean free path data will be found under the Fluid Mechanics heading. I will investigate this matter further. Given this 50 nm. figure, does anyone know what EM conditions will produce collisionless plasma? I have read that the appearance of the plasma itself will alter the resonant frequency. Dennis Lee At 03:36 PM 1/26/96 EST, you wrote: > molecular resonant frequency tables for various materials? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 18:26:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA10717 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10593 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id NAA13460; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:45:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:45:33 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.584 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Heh. Woops about the insulator/conductor. It was around 3 in the morning when I wrote it. Sorry. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 18:38:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA10383 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA10193 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id LAA11014; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:13:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:13:36 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.585 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Charles Choi (SAR) wrote: > No, that definitely sounds like an aerogel of some kind, probably silicon > aerogel. Aerogels are substances that are almost all air ( 99% approx ), > and are a very lightweight class of materials that are VERY poor > insulators of heat and sound, as well as having an astounding mass to > strength ratio. They're being for everything from nets to capture space > dust to Cerenkov radiation detectors. > That make sense. Silicon based materialss are used in the High Temprature Reusable Surface Insulation (HSRI) on board the space sshuttle. Thiss material must have a content of carbon in it as well. Wolf Skyward Aeropace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 18:48:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA09101 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA08999 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id LAA06428; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:08:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.586 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <9601260123.D0215OV@intermax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996 sysop@intermax.com wrote: > When I saw the report on NBC, Starlight plastic looked like white goop > about > he consistancy of toothpaste. > It did not appear to have high tensile strength or weight. > A NASA test film showed a plasma torch would not faze it, and confirmed > it was > VERY REAL. The NASA scientist was VERY thrilled. > It was instantly cold after heat was removed. It seemed only > explainable if all > heat energy was being absorbed and converted to mass instantly. It was > said > to stop other radiation as well. It is not an areogell, but looked > more like a paste. > Someone mentioned it was given coverage in Business Week and recently > on the > Discovery channel. > I have no reason to belive such a material existss. I firmly belive that more than just this startlight exits. I just wonder how heavy it is. Without a high tensile strength it might be hard to work with on aircraft (As stated by ssomeone in an earlier message). It would need a form of supporter like stainless steel mesh to keep it from cracking and chipping like plaster. Wolf Skyward Aerospace (905)685-8726 Extension #1 wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 20:11:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA12000 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA11974 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rowan.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA25901; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:07:58 -0500 Received: by rowan.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA22151; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:07:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:07:28 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.587 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier In-Reply-To: <199601261838.MAA21671@firefly.prairienet.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Zack Widup wrote: > > > > > > > >Christopher Comeaux wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Jim Uban wrote: > >> > >> > I just saw in a high-end audio magazine an ad from > >> > Bedini Electronics for his Clarifier product. This presumably > >> > is a more refined version of the magnetic device that BillB > >> > posted from Mr. Bedini, as applied to a music CD to improve > >> > its sound quality. The ad included clips from at least 6 > >> > different reviewers from other independent high-end audio > >> > mags who all praised the product as making significant > >> > improvements in the sonic performance of treated CDs.! Jim > >> > > >> CD's are digital. Made of zero's and one's. Zero= 0 volts; > >> One= 5 volts. Even lots of noise can't change it's state. The > >> laser beam in a $99 hong-kong CD player gets the same data as > >> the one in a $1999 studio-quality unit. I just had this conversation > >> with some fool who was going to buy a CD player with TUBES in it, > >> and fiber-optic links. The bottleneck is never the CD player, it's > >> the speakers. > >> There is nothing you can do to a CD to improve it's quality, > >> except in rare cases, to pucker up and blow the dust off of it. > > > >Christopher, > > I can't disagree with your description of the data on a > >CD. However, the CD player your acquaintance was discussing > >probably used the tubes in the digital-to-analog (D/A) conversion > >section in the player, where the quality of the electronics can > >make a dramatic difference. Further, issues like jitter of the > >digital data (the variation in time of when each digital point > >comes out) can also affect the quality of the sound, as more > >jitter means more noise. More expensive units often address > >these two points. > > Yes! Up to the point where the digital data gets turned into analog data, > it doesn't matter. But with the analog signals, tubes do better. > Transistors are exponential devices, and tubes are square-law devices > (less distortion which is more easily dealt with.) > > I am not one to assign theories to an unknown phenomenon someone > describes ... I have to try it out myself and see if it works as > described. Hopefully I will try out the CD experiment soon and I will let > you all know of the results of it. > > Zack > w9sz@prairienet.org > It doesn't even matter in the DAC since most DAC's use Pulse Width Modulation, which is a logical (digital) signal with a perfectly linear analog component as an inherent characteristic. The linearity of the active elements doesn't affect the linearity of the output. CC/Impulse > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 20:39:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA17620 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from willgate1.Pennet.net (willgate1.pennet.net [204.183.192.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17590 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jshaffer by willgate1.Pennet.net with SMTP (8.6.9/25-eef) id BAA07022; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:47:36 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:47:36 GMT Message-Id: <199601270147.BAA07022@willgate1.Pennet.net> X-UIDL: 834952770.588 From: Jim Shaffer To: Subject: fnrg: Re: the Bedini Clarifier and pyramid power Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: By the way, Bill, I'd appreciate it if you would pass my last message to Bedini and let me know whether he thinks I'm even vaguely on track with it. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 20:39:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA17626 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from willgate1.Pennet.net (willgate1.pennet.net [204.183.192.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17599 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from jshaffer by willgate1.Pennet.net with SMTP (8.6.9/25-eef) id BAA06953; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:33:58 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:33:58 GMT Message-Id: <199601270133.BAA06953@willgate1.Pennet.net> X-UIDL: 834952770.589 From: Jim Shaffer To: Subject: fnrg: the Bedini Clarifier and pyramid power Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was thinking about how Bedini's latest device could possibly affect a compact disc, when I remembered the claims of razor blades staying sharp if kept inside a pyramid. The theory behind that, according to Karl Drbal who actually received a patent in his native Czechoslovakia for it (I've certainly got mixed feelings about issuing patents for such a simple process!) is that the pyramid acts as a feedhorn for ambient energy, i.e. the solar radio flux, which then repairs microscopic defects in the edge of the blade by driving water molecules out of the atomic lattice. Perhaps Bedini's magnetic vector potential transducer (please: the magnetic potential is *not* a scalar, only the electric one, according to my understanding of conventional physics!) does something similar, although I don't know why it would have to be done with a potential instead of an e/m field, unless the pure potential has stronger effects. (Jerry Decker once mentioned a researcher who was watching some paramecia under a microscope while bombarding them with the signal from a caduceus coil at a frequency which, according to Rife, should've been beneficial, and the cells exploded.) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Jan 26 21:21:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA24527 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA24515 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-47.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-47.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.47]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA07309 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:15:54 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601270515.QAA07309@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.590 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:18:28 +0900 Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 25 Jan 96 at 8:32, Frank Earl wrote: [snip] > Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned > physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny > that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. > They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." [snip] The name "Starlight" is extremely suggestive. Does anyone know where it came from? Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 01:11:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA02689 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA02681 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:06:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601270906.BAA02681@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:40:45 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.591 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Ultrasonic Resonance Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:53 AM 1/22/96 -0000, you wrote: >Has anybody done (or are doing) any research into the possibility of energy release from water by using ultrasonics to cause atomic resonance as (supposedly) demonstrated by Keely in the 1800's? > >Patrick > > As Bill Beaty showed me, an ultrasonic humidifyer (can be found at garage sales sometimes for $5 or so) can produce some interesting effects with bubbles suspended in water, holding them in place under water. Those units could be a starting point. Also there are companies that clean venetian blinds with ultrasonics, in big long tanks with a transducer every foot or so along the bottom. In boating, ultrasonic transducers can be found, used for depth sensing, around 50 KHz or so. By the way, I am looking for two 812A vacuum tubes for an ultrasonic amplifier. Any leads appreciated. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 02:11:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA00827 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com (dub-img-2.compuserve.com [198.4.9.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA00821 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA14219; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 05:08:05 -0500 Date: 27 Jan 96 05:06:58 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.592 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Message-ID: <960127100658_76216.2421_HHB47-3@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just built the Bedini device described in Bill's original message with the diagram in it. The only thing I have done so far is to wave a little wire coil hooked to my o-scope probe around the wire wrapped magnets, and also tried to see if it visibly affected smoke drifting near it - tiny particles, electrical effects, I thought maybe that might be something to look at. So far, nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just spikey waves, no noticable difference inline with the seam between the two magnets compared with other areas near it on the scope. No changes in smoke either. I've got a duplicate CD ('cause I bought the same one twice several months apart, Doh...), so I'll probably try that this weekend. If I can get my microscope set up, I'll try it on some "things" in a water drop from our front porch lilly pot. I've got a pair of magnets taped N-S-N-S to try as a control on some of these things too. If there's anything to this that should give different results from the S-N-N-S pair, right? Anyone have any idea what we're looking for on the scope with this? Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 08:18:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA27313 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA27256 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ae17469; 27 Jan 96 12:17 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk ([158.152.70.175]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09518; 27 Jan 96 12:12 GMT Received: from abwillms.demon.co.uk by abwillms.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA822701089 ; Sat, 27 Jan 96 00:04:49 GMT Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.593 From: "Alaric B. Williams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 00:04:49 +0000 Subject: Re: fnrg: "Yes, AFS really exists." Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <822744758.9518.0@abwillms.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Kinetic energy is stored in a disc rotating at extremely high rpms. The > energy storage capability is said to be 2 to 3 times that of the best > lead acid battery systems per pound of weight. Nothing has been said > about cost yet however. Yeah, I've thought about that... what kind of pulse discharge wattages could be acheived? A cheap one might be a washing machine with a drum full of concrete or sand. Ready attached motor. ABW --- Forwards, he cried, from the rear - and the front ranks died.... The general sat, and the lines on the map, move from side to side... Pink Floyd, 'Us and Them' Alaric B. Williams From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 08:36:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA29279 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA29271 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.594 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaais23101; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaais14558; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:35:57 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA822771366; Sat, 27 Jan 96 11:32:24 EDT Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 11:32:24 EDT Encoding: 45 Text Message-Id: <9600278227.AA822771366@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm also trying to replicate the Bedini device, but I'll try to build the neon scalar detector, and the Flanagan capacitance detector also for scalars. Still haven't been lucky in building the transistor based detector. If they are really scalars, it would be interesting to see what happens. Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com Rockville MD www.nohomepage.yet.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 01/27/96 05:06 AM I just built the Bedini device described in Bill's original message with the diagram in it. The only thing I have done so far is to wave a little wire coil hooked to my o-scope probe around the wire wrapped magnets, and also tried to see if it visibly affected smoke drifting near it - tiny particles, electrical effects, I thought maybe that might be something to look at. So far, nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just spikey waves, no noticable difference inline with the seam between the two magnets compared with other areas near it on the scope. No changes in smoke either. I've got a duplicate CD ('cause I bought the same one twice several months apart, Doh...), so I'll probably try that this weekend. If I can get my microscope set up, I'll try it on some "things" in a water drop from our front porch lilly pot. I've got a pair of magnets taped N-S-N-S to try as a control on some of these things too. If there's anything to this that should give different results from the S-N-N-S pair, right? Anyone have any idea what we're looking for on the scope with this? Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 09:39:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA07871 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07861 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma8-12.ix.netcom.com by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA08688; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:37:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:37:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199601271737.JAA08688@ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.595 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How does one determine the North pole of the magnet? I suppose one could wind an electro-magnet and, by the direction of the current, determine the polarity that way? Dennis Lee At 05:06 AM 1/27/96 EST, you wrote: >I've got a pair of magnets taped N-S-N-S to try as a control on some of these >things too. If there's anything to this that should give different results from >the S-N-N-S pair, right? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 10:48:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA17491 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA17477 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA15129 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:48:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA02428; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:48:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:48:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601271848.MAA02428@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.596 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >How does one determine the North pole of the magnet? I suppose one could >wind an electro-magnet and, by the direction of the current, determine the >polarity that way? > >Dennis Lee Hi Dennis, It doesn't matter ... if you align them one way they will snap together and if you align them the opposite way they will try to push apart. You want them aligned so they are pushing apart. Zack From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 11:01:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA19356 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA19336 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:01:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601271901.LAA19336@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:41:08 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.597 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:37 AM 1/27/96 -0800, you wrote: >How does one determine the North pole of the magnet? I suppose one could >wind an electro-magnet and, by the direction of the current, determine the >polarity that way? > >Dennis Lee I just hang one from a string, see which way it points, mark it, and keep it around to determine others. But herein lies a slight problem regarding definitions. The south pole of the magnet will point to the north pole of the earth if the north geographic pole of the earth is also its north magnetic pole, since two magnets next to each other line up opposite. But one camp says the north geographic pole of the earth is its south magnetic pole, which means the pole pointing north in a suspended magnet hanging on a thread is the north pole of that magnet. An interesting experiment that was conducted along this line was reported in a book called "Magnetism and its Effects on the Living System" by Walter Rawles and someone else. They placed chicken eggs at one or the other pole of a strong magnet. When the chicks hatched, they found that the ones exposed to the north magnetic pole grew rather small, nervous, and more or less "chicken", afraid of everything. The ones that were exposed to the south magnetic pole were robust, although very aggressive. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 11:11:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA20697 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA20675 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id OAA05480 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:10:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:14:07 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.598 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 9:37 AM 1/27/96, Dennis Lee wrote: >How does one determine the North pole of the magnet? I suppose one could >wind an electro-magnet and, by the direction of the current, determine the >polarity that way? Dennis, Here's a low-tech way: Hang the magnet by a thread. An imaginary plane through the poles should be parallel to the ground.. The magnet rotates until the north pole points north. Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 12:08:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28161 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from soar.com ([204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA28134 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:07:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601272007.MAA28134@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem012.soar.com (204.200.8.65) by soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.60) with SMTP id ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:07:13 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.599 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:07:31 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Piezoelectric equation. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Robert A. Shannon wrote: > > > I understood that piezoelectric (and Hall effect) voltages were > > only produced while the stress levels changes across the crystal, > > but not under a static condition. > > > > Is this so? > > Pretty close. Piezo materials act like capacitors which are charged > by mechanical distortion. If neutral to begin with, charges become > separated when pressure is applied. If then released, the charge > imbalance disappears again. But if discharged through a load and > then released, an opposite charge imbalance appears, and the device > can be discharged again. If placed between metal plates and > connected to a short circuit, there will only be a current during > the compression or releasing. > > Presumably all the stored mechanical stress energy is not returned > to the squeezing mechanism if the device is connected to a load, so > the squeezing mechanism must do work in order to squeeze and > release. I say "presumably," because I doubt that anyone ever did > preceise energy measurements on such a device to see if conservation > of energy might be slightly violated. > > I think the system is analogous to a coil and magnet, with the piezo > block acting like a coil, and the squeezing device acting like the > magnet. Vibrate a magnet in a coil, and you can drive a current > through a load. Vibrate a piezo block, and you can apply a voltage > across a load. > > ..............................freenrg-list.......................... > ..... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com > EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST > VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L > http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 > billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 > Ok ladies and gents now that Bill has clarified some of the KNOWN'S and UNKNOWNS. What I will suggest is to take the array of crystals and plates and weights and apply a freq. at resonance to them to set up the distortation field. Then you should be able to get a voltage to be applied to the cap. bank. I still need the equations and/or place/book to get the nessicary math formulas. Any Ideas out there on source material??? ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 12:20:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA29892 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA29883 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip127.vvm.com (slip127.vvm.com [204.71.94.37]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23056 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:19:53 -0600 Received: by slip127.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAECC2.A3C4BC60@slip127.vvm.com>; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:20:42 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAECC2.A3C4BC60@slip127.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.600 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Yet Another Hovertec Update Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:16:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: My e-mail system seems to be working now, so I'll try to sen out that hovertec file in the next few days. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 12:20:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA29908 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA29895 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip127.vvm.com (slip127.vvm.com [204.71.94.37]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23060 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:19:57 -0600 Received: by slip127.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAECC2.A6AEE400@slip127.vvm.com>; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:20:47 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAECC2.A6AEE400@slip127.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.601 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: fnrg: Making Fog Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:20:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I know this may be a little off topic for this group, but I thought that = if anyone could solve this problem, It would be one of the people in = this group. I need a quick, quiet and cheap to make fog. I've ruled = out the Ultrasonic humidifier method as I cannot find one of them and = dry ice fog doesn't quite produce the effect I need. Can anyone help? Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 13:55:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA14070 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.9.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA14058 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA17136; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:53:42 -0500 Date: 27 Jan 96 16:51:53 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.602 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Bedini Clarifier Message-ID: <960127215152_76216.2421_HHB87-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >How does one determine the North pole of the magnet? I suppose one could >wind an electro-magnet and, by the direction of the current, determine the >polarity that way? I set a magnet on edge on a plastic lid floating in a bowl of water. There was no ambiguity at all, as water doesn't have torque in it like thread does sometimes. The side that tends to point north is the north pole of the magnet. I put the magnets together with the N-faces facing each other, as in the drawing. As to the spikes I observed, they're very thin and it's difficult to see the tops of them. I have to keep one hand on the variable time knob to keep tracking the signal while I wave the probe around as the little motor's rpm drifts. I also tried putting a 1/8" thick mild steel plate between the magnets and the probe. This did drown out quite a bit of inductive-looking saw tooth noise that increases near the magnets, but left the sharp thin spikes apparently untouched. But I could see no difference in those spikes in any case that would indicate that they were stronger inline with the seam between the magnets. I was looking for some sharp changes right there which would indicate something that depended on the bucked fields for it's existence. But again, it's pretty hard to see the tops to tell if they were different at any point. It sounds like some means of integrating this signal like the Flanagan detector Ismael mentioned might be the way to go to confirm detection. I'll try the CD thing, but I can't imagine why that would do anything for digital media. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 15:21:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA25553 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA25545 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA29570; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:52:31 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:52:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199601272252.OAA29570@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.603 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: fnrg: Harmonic Scalpel To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 1/27/96 Hi Bob, Just returned from my conference in Savannah. Extremely interesting. The technology demonstrated was the harmonic scalpel. In surgery, I commonly use CO2 lasers and/or high frequency AC for cutting and coagulation of tissue (often a blend of both cutting and coagulation). High amplitude, spiked pulses are used to for cutting and lower amplitude broader wave forms are used for coagulation and cautery. The total area under the power wave curve determines the total energy delivered to the tissue. Delivered energy is always transformed in the tissue to thermal energy. Narrow spikes used for cutting have small area under the curve and therefore less total energy is delivered, but they are more likely to produce bleeders. Blend or coag required to cauterize bleeders delivers more total energy, but produces significant thermal tissue destruction, as well as, lateral thermal spread in adjacent tissue. Uncontrolled lateral thermal spread is a serious hazard because it may damage adjacent tissue. If not extremely careful, serious injuries such as bowel or ureteral burns may occur. Also, laser and electoscalpels produce significant smoke, charring and carbonization. Not desired effects. The harmonic scalpel eliminates all these thermal effects and dangers. Basically, the harmonic scalpel is an electronically driven piezo crystal that is attached mechanically to a, hand held, high grade steel instrument. The frequency is about 50 kHz. The amplitude of the mechanical motion is about 60 - 80 microns. The motion is visually and audibly inperceptable. When the instrument is applied with pressure it is capable of both cutting and coagulation with absolutely no heat. There is no thermal energy involved. The tissue must be touched with the instrument and a little pressure applied. Pressure controls the effect on the tissue. The tissue literally "melts" apart without heat. I used it on a well anesthetized porcine model. (As you see, I'm not an antivivesectionist.) Harmonic scalpel cutting of tissue is an entirely new experience and sensation. It's almost totally bloodless and for the few bleeders that occur only touching them with the instrument assures hemostasis. I cut tissue immediately adjacent to major blood vessels without any risk of thermal injury, rupture or major hemorrhage. What does this have to do with this list or any of our discussions? Well, the harmonic scalpel functions by targeting the specific resonant frequency of the sulfhydryl bonds in proteins. It causes lysis of these bonds and disrupts and denatures the protein. We now have the capability to specifically focus on and resonate specific molecular bonds and even atoms to produce beneficial changes in living organisms. Even though energy is delivered in a conventional mechanical form, the resonant frequency of specific tissues is targeted for specific effects. So, here is a good example of available ($25K) technology today. You can bet there is more to come. The broader question is why not apply specific resonant energy to other areas outside of medicine? RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 15:53:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA00634 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com (arl-img-6.compuserve.com [198.4.7.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00622 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA18121; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:52:32 -0500 Date: 27 Jan 96 18:50:51 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.604 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Bedini device tested Message-ID: <960127235050_76216.2421_HHB49-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just ran a few more tests with the oscilliscope on the Bedini device. This time I swapped back and forth between the coil with magnets in the S-N-N-S (Bedini) orientation, and a unit I wrapped as a comparison with the faces N-S-N-S. Both have 50 turns, and the coils occupy the areas of the magnet surfaces in close to the same proportion. They look about as identical as hand-winding will allow. In my previous post, I wrote that it was difficult to see what the tops of the spikes were doing. It took me a while to reconcile the display intensity and the volts/cm settings on the 'scope to got a good look, but I now believe I can see some difference. I passed a coil-tipped probe back and forth across the face of the magnet/coil about 1/2" or closer out from the face. On the NSNS unit, small variations in the voltage could be seen corresponding to passing the probe coil very close the face. But on the SNNS unit, the variations were definitely more obvious, moving about .2 volts or more while passing the probe in the same manner at around 1/2", and could be easily seen with the probe further from the faces than I could with the NSNS unit. I had the volts/cm set at .2V/cm, so the movement could clearly be seen. I swapped back and forth several times between the two different magnet configurations with the 'scope settings untouched (except for the time/cm knob which had to be continuously adjusted to pace the meanderings of the motor's rpms) to be sure I was seeing something. The distance between the magnet/coil and the probe was not controlled with any great precision, but the difference between the two configurations was clear. - Could there be a conventional non-"scalar" explanation for this difference? (Yes, the experimenter could be a liar or self-deluded. I mean other than that...) - Has anyone else tried this yet? - Anybody have any other ideas for things I/we should try? The sharp spikes are showing up all over the room, and are obviously EM noise from the motor. - Since scalar is said to be unshieldable, should I try putting everything in an grounded metal box? - How about 2 boxes, one grounded for the RF and a second ferrous metal box for magnetic shielding? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 16:26:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA05373 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA05360 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from t3.dialup.peg.apc.org (t3.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.131]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.9 ) with SMTP id LAA01261 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:25:40 +1000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:25:40 +1000 Message-Id: <199601280125.LAA01261@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.605 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: fnrg: Re: New Concept Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From Jim Francis....Australian Lateral Mind Concepts.. Here's an idea that might capture the imagination of members of Bill's list....could be a lot of money in it too.... To start with.....during our 2 1/2 years experiments with psychokinetics and slot machines something has become very obvious. Every individual appears to have a "luck window" that occurs on a daily basis. It is during this short period that a person's psychokinetic interaction with the environment (luck) manifests itself. It is during this period that I have won all my jackpots. As far as I know, this "window" has not been mentioned in any literature that I can find. ie...it might well be an original discovery. But...the problem is this......we have to hang round the casinos for considerable lengths of time and play spasmodically until we pick up on the start of this window. What I am thinking of is this....it should be possible to design a simple device which "measures" current PK level....which could be checked before even entering a casino. As the slot machines are controlled by a random number generator (RNG) it would seem obvious that some sort of similar portable device could be constructed. So....if one were to build a simple device that produced...say...1000 pulses per second ....with a ratio of approximately half negative pulses and half positive, then some sort of simple comparator chip could be used to detect a SUDDEN DIFFERENCE in output ratio. That is...if a person mentally focused on the device ...it may well produce an increase of either + or - pulses. By tracking the output at regular intervals the user could determine their own PK influence level. The market for such a device would be enormous. Anyone got any ideas.....my own electronics knowledge doesn't extend to RNG and frequency comparator chips.... I have a manufacturer in mind who will manufacture and market such a product world-wide... on a profit sharing basis between you..me..and him. I already have all the notes and associated explanatory material written which would be included with the device. The whole thing would probably be a world first... Have I captured anyone's imagination?????? Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 18:07:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA26153 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26078 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id VAA17025 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:06:28 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_12898990==_" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:09:41 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.606 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: MRX Technology, Rife... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --========================_12898990==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rick, Ijust discovered that the first Rife file I send was not the table of frequencies. The file attached to this message is the correct one. Sorry. Regards, Michael Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 mob@mindspring.com --========================_12898990==_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="rife_table"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rife_table" Page No. 1 06/27/93 June 25, 1993 Rife Frequencies from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Symptom 1 Symptom 2 Freq 1 Freq 2 Freq 3 Freq 4 Freq 5 Freq 6 Freq 7 Freq 8 Freq 9 Freq 10 ABDOMINAL PAIN 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ACNE PIMPLES 727.00 787.00 880.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ACTINOMYCOSIS 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ADENOIDS 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ADRENAL 10.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 AIDS HIV 727.00 787.00 880.00 2489.00 5000.00 31000.00 31750.00 34750.00 0.00 0.00 ALLERGY 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ALOPECIA HAIRLOSS 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ANAL ITCH 20.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ANEMIA INSUFFICIENT 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 RED CELLS ANEURISM HEART PROBLEM 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ANTHRAX 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ANTISEPTIC 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 APHTHAE THRUSH 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 APOPLEXY PARALYSIS 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 APPENDIX 10.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ARTERIOSCLEROSI 0.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 S ARTHRITIS 727.00 787.00 880.00 2720.00 1000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ARTHRITIS RHEUMATOID 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ASTHMA 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BACILLUS COLI 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BACKACHE 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BLOOD 20.00 1100.00 2200.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BLOOD PRESSURE HIGH 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BLOOD PRESSURE LOW 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BOILS 20.00 727.00 787.00 880.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BONE REGENERATION 2720.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BONES BROKEN 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BRAIN GENERAL 20.00 1000.00 2000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STIMULATION BRAIN STIMULATION - 13.00 15.00 18.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ALPHA BRAIN STIMULATION - 14.00 22.00 30.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BETA BRAIN STIMULATION - 1.80 3.50 5.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DELTA BRAIN STIMULATION - 4.00 5.50 7.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 THETA BRONCHIAL 727.00 776.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PNEUMONIA BRONCHITIS 727.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 BUBONIC PLAGUE 20.00 500.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CANCER BREAST 2008.00 2128.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Page No. 2 06/27/93 June 25, 1993 Rife Frequencies from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Symptom 1 Symptom 2 Freq 1 Freq 2 Freq 3 Freq 4 Freq 5 Freq 6 Freq 7 Freq 8 Freq 9 Freq 10 CANCER CARCINOMA 2127.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CANCER GENERAL 666.00 690.00 727.00 2127.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CANCER LEUKEMIA 2127.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CANCER SARCOMA 2008.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CANDIDA 450.00 465.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CARCINOMA VIRAL 2120.00 2130.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CATARACT GENERAL 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CATARACT NON-DIABETIC 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CATARRH MUCOUS 20.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION CHICKEN POX 20.00 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CHOLERA 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SPIRILLUM COLD HEAD OR CHEST 728.00 787.00 880.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 COLI VIRUS 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 COLIC 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 COLITIS INTESTINAL 800.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION COLON 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CONJUNCTIVITIS CONTAGIOUS 728.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CONSTIPATION 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CRAMPS 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 CRAMPS ALPHATRONIC 26.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 VERSION DANDRUFF SCALES 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DEAFNESS 20.00 800.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DIABETES 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DIARRHEA 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DIPHTHERIA 20.00 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DROPSY 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DRUG ADDICTION 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DYSENTERY 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 EAR GENERAL 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 EAR RINGING 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 EARACHE EAR DISCHARGE 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ECZEMA SKIN 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 FLAKING/SCALING EPSTEIN BARR 660.00 727.00 787.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ESCHERICHIA INTESTINAL 802.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 COLI PROBLEMS EYE PROBLEMS - 20.00 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GENERAL EYELID SWELLING 787.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 FEVER 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 FEVER SUNSTROKE 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Page No. 3 06/27/93 June 25, 1993 Rife Frequencies from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Symptom 1 Symptom 2 Freq 1 Freq 2 Freq 3 Freq 4 Freq 5 Freq 6 Freq 7 Freq 8 Freq 9 Freq 10 FEVER YELLOW 20.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 FLU 727.00 787.00 800.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 FOOD POISONING 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GALL BLADDER 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GALL STONES 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GANGRENE BLOOD POISONING 20.00 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GERMAN MEASLES 728.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GLAND ADENOID 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GLANDERS 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GLANDS ENLARGED 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GLAUCOMA EYE CLOUDING 1600.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GOITER GROWTH 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GONORRHEA 660.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GOUT SWELLING 20.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GRIPPE INFLUENZA 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 GUMS BLEEDING OR 20.00 880.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMED HAIR LOSS 20.00 800.00 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HAY FEVER ALLERGIES 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HEADACHES 10.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HEART GENERAL 20.00 81.00 162.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HEART DISORDERS 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HEMORRHOIDS 20.00 800.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HEPATITIS 727.00 728.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HERNIA 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HERPES GENERAL 1550.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HERPES VIRAL 1500.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HERPES ZOSTER 1550.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 HIVES 1800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ILEOCOLITIS COLON 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION INFANTILE 1500.00 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PARALYSIS INFECTION GENERAL 20.00 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLUENZA 20.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INSECT BITES 727.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INSOMNIA 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INTESTINE LARGE 10.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 JAUNDICE YELLOWING OF 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SKIN JOINT 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION KIDNEY 20.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KIDNEY GENERAL 8.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KNEE 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Page No. 4 06/27/93 June 25, 1993 Rife Frequencies from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Symptom 1 Symptom 2 Freq 1 Freq 2 Freq 3 Freq 4 Freq 5 Freq 6 Freq 7 Freq 8 Freq 9 Freq 10 LARYNX 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 LAXATIVE 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 LEPROSY 600.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 LEUKEMIA 2127.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 LUNGS 9.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 LUPIS VULGARIS 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 LYMPH GLANDS 10.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MALARIA 20.00 28.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MEASLES 728.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MENINGITIS 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MULTIPLE 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SCLEROSIS MUMPS 728.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MUSCLES 20.00 120.00 240.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MUSCULAR 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 DYSTROPHY NAUSEA 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 NECK PAINS 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 NEURALGIA 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 NEURITIS NERVE 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION NOSE 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 OBESITY 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 OSTEOMYELITIS 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 OVARIES 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 OVARIES GENERAL 1.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PALSY CEREBRAL 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PANCREAS 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PANCREAS GENERAL 15.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PARASITES WORMS 20.00 60.00 80.00 120.00 125.00 440.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PERITONITIS INTESTINAL 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION PHARYNGITIS 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PINEAL STIMULATION 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PLEURISY 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PNEUMONIA 20.00 775.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PNEUMONIA GENERAL 770.00 780.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 POLIOMYELITIS 1500.00 5000.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PROSTATE 20.00 1000.00 2000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PSORIASIS 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PULSE MEN - STIM 36.00 70.00 72.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 PULSE WOMEN - STIM 41.00 78.00 82.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 RABIES 20.00 120.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 RHEUMATISM 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 RHINITIS 20.00 120.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Page No. 5 06/27/93 June 25, 1993 Rife Frequencies from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Symptom 1 Symptom 2 Freq 1 Freq 2 Freq 3 Freq 4 Freq 5 Freq 6 Freq 7 Freq 8 Freq 9 Freq 10 RICKETS 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 RINGWORM 20.00 80.00 120.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SARCOMA VIRAL 2000.00 2100.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SCARLET FEVER 728.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SCIATICA NERVE 20.00 120.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION SCURVY 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SHINGLES 1550.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SINUS 20.00 120.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SMALLPOX 728.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SPINAL 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MENINGITIS SPLEEN 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STAPHYLOCOCCUS GENERAL 875.00 880.00 885.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFECTION STAPHYLOCOCCUS INFECTION 727.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STOMACH GENERAL 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STREPTOCOCCUS GENERAL 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STREPTOCOCCUS INFECTIONS 875.00 880.00 885.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STREPTOTHRIX FUNGI INFECTION 727.00 728.00 784.00 787.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STROKE 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 SYMPTOMATIC 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ANTHRAX SYPHILIS 20.00 120.00 625.00 650.00 659.00 700.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TESTES 1.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TETANUS 20.00 400.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 THALAMUS 20.00 5000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TONSILITIS 20.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TONSILS GENERAL 20.00 440.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TREATMENT TOOTH DECAY 20.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TOOTHACHE 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TRACHOMA EYE 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 INFLAMMATION TUBERCULOSIS ROD 802.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TUBERCULOSIS VIRUS 800.00 1550.00 20.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TYPHOID 20.00 690.00 1570.00 1865.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TYPHOID VIRUS 20.00 690.00 1570.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 TYPHUS MURIUM 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ULCER DUODENAL 727.00 880.00 10000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ULCERS 727.00 776.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 URETHRITIS INFECTION OF 660.00 727.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 THE URETHRA WHOOPING COUGH 728.00 787.00 880.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 WORMS MICROSCOPIC 60.00 125.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Page No. 6 06/27/93 June 25, 1993 Rife Frequencies from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Symptom 1 Symptom 2 Freq 1 Freq 2 Freq 3 Freq 4 Freq 5 Freq 6 Freq 7 Freq 8 Freq 9 Freq 10 WORMS PARASITIC 20.00 120.00 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00  --========================_12898990==_-- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 21:51:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA07849 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA07818 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id VAA10061; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:48:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:48:11 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.607 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: MRX Technolog, Rife, & Tesla Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: From: Gribear@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:54:19 -0500 To: mob@mindspring.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: MRX Technology, Rife & Tesla It simple doesn't work that way. It is true that the longer a conjugated chain of double bonds will have lower frequency resonances with a longer chain but these effects fall off if there is separation by non-conjugated bonding. Without rigidity one side of a large molecule moves quite independently of theother side of the molecule. Since molecular acrobatics are what determine the absorption spectrum of a molecule; Visible-UV associated with electronic excitation, Infrared associated with vibronic modes and Microwave associated with rotational modes etc. In molecules like proteins, DNA, RNA and others that distinguish differing lifeforms, there is usually sufficient single bonding between the conjugated structures to wash out any unique signiture of the molecule. Most proteins absorb around 300nm because they contain Tyrosine Phenylalanine and Tryptophan. Most DNA and RNA type molecules absorb in the 200nm, and 250nm region because they are constructed of nucleic acids. Some B vitamins have a yellow color because they absorb some blue light around 400nm. All of these molecules have IR and microwave signatures for their rotational and vibronic modes. When you start getting down to the radio frequencies, the absorption there is the whole body. Humans absorb aroun the 2 meter band because humans are around two meters tall, for the metric illiterate about 6 feet tall. There simple is not likely to be an absorption for a photon at 6kHz because the wavelength is about 50 kilometers long or about 30 miles. A virus that is 30 miles in diameter could eat New York and star in any Japans Gonzilla film of it choosing. Treating a virus with a 30 mile long photon is laughable. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 21:57:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA08788 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA08779 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id VAA10843; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:56:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:56:07 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.608 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: steckly.gary@ic.gc.ca (Steckly, Gary: DGRB) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freenrg-list) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:01:43 -0500 Subject: RE: fnrg: Re: Bedini Clarifier regarding the following: > CD's are digital. Made of zero's and one's. Zero= 0 volts; >One= 5 volts. Even lots of noise can't change it's state. The >laser beam in a $99 hong-kong CD player gets the same data as >the one in a $1999 studio-quality unit. I just had this conversation >with some fool who was going to buy a CD player with TUBES in it, >and fiber-optic links. The bottleneck is never the CD player, it's >the speakers. > There is nothing you can do to a CD to improve it's quality, >except in rare cases, to pucker up and blow the dust off of it. > >CC/Impulse I have to agree, this was my first reaction. I don't know what you could possibly do to improve the quality of a medium like CD, which has a signal to noise of greater than 80 dB and a comparable dynamic range, that would be apparent to the listener. However, scalar electromagnetics (if there is such a beast...and I haven't yet decided one way or the other) would appear to exhibit many strange effects that can not be explained by traditional science, so I figured I should give it a test before passing judgement. Coincidentally, one of my colleagues is the classical music critic for the local paper, and gets 100s of CDs each month to review. He often receives duplicates, and he claims he has an excellent ear for subtle acoustic effects. He has agreed to give me the next pair of CDs he receives. I will mark them both, treat one, and ask him if he can detect the difference. I'll let you know what happens. Gary From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Jan 27 23:19:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA19070 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from l2.conline.com (root@l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA19042 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from darkstar.conline.com (fearl@dal1-17.conline.com [204.96.7.17]) by l2.conline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08800; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 01:20:32 -0600 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 01:24:11 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.609 From: Svartalf To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <9601252054.D6694JJ@intermax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 25 Jan 1996 sysop@intermax.com wrote: > MW>>I distinctly remember reading in BusinessWeek (Where I had heard about > MW>>startlight...) > > Anybody know what issue of Business Week it was? I'll dredge the article up when I get a chance in the next couple of days and post the issue number and date of the article. Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a $500 archival fee per copy. E-mail recieved after any reciept of this notice implys acceptance of these terms. A copy of USC 47 may be found online at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 09:58:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA28330 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rt66.com (mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28319 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.59.162.26] (pma06.rt66.com) by Rt66.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21196; Sun, 28 Jan 96 10:53:03 MST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:59:55 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.610 From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >That make sense. Silicon based materialss are used in the High Temprature >Reusable Surface Insulation (HSRI) on board the space sshuttle. Thiss >material must have a content of carbon in it as well. > Space shuttle material is pure, very pure SiO2. (Puffed sand). Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 10:08:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA29897 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rt66.com (mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29883 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.59.162.26] (pma06.rt66.com) by Rt66.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21886; Sun, 28 Jan 96 11:03:28 MST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:10:21 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.611 From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: fnrg: Making Fog Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I know this may be a little off topic for this group, but I thought that >if anyone could solve this problem, It would be one of the people in this >group. I need a quick, quiet and cheap to make fog. I've ruled out the >Ultrasonic humidifier method as I cannot find one of them and dry ice fog >doesn't quite produce the effect I need. Can anyone help? > >Thanks, >Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) Try one of those foggers used to humidify the air by spraying a very very fine mist. You can get them at buiding supply stores, especially in hot dry climates in the summer. Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 11:15:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA09783 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com (ix7.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09770 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma9-05.ix.netcom.com by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA11358; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:13:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:13:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199601281913.LAA11358@ix7.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: USA-TESLA@usa.net X-UIDL: 834952770.612 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: MRX Technology, Rife & Tesla Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'd like to mention the following referance. (The author's comments are in the brackets). Dennis Lee "Tapping The Zero Point Energy" by Moray B. King referance #39 pp. 98-99 A. Puharich, "Water Decomposition By Means Of Alternating Current Electrolysis," Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Nonconventional Energy Technology, Toronto, pp. 49-77, (1981). The author experimentally decomposed water to hydrogen and oxygen by an electrical exitation at a mixture of frequencies that matched the water molecule's resonant frequencies. The author claims a net energy gain; i.e., more energy is produced when the hydrogen and oxygen recombine than it took to separate them. [Where did the energy come from? Perhaps by inducing ion acoustic resonance in water, a vacuum polarized, self-organizing interaction with the ZPE occurs. This experiment has similarities to "free energy" devices that pulse a battery's electrolyte.] At 10:13 AM 1/28/96 PST, you wrote: >>> So what? And the water molecule absorbs the energy, it gets hot and >>> boils, but it does not break the chemical bond, no more than >>> boiling water on the stove cracks it into hydrogen and oxygen. In >>> order to break the bond, the energy of one photon of the impinging >>> radiation must be greater than the bond energy between the hydrogen >>> and the oxygen. With water and air, this doesn't happen until well >>> into the ultraviolet. >>> >> >>Don't believe this to be correct. It's not one on one photon thing. >>We're talking resonance here. The bond may be tapped several times by >>photons of the correct frequency while resonant energy builds in the >>bond. Remember pushing a child in a swing as a common example. See my >>harmonic scalpel post from 1/27/96 on the freenrg list. It uses >>mechanical energy to break specific protein bonds. > > I don't know where the archives for that one are. Can you send me > that article please? Thanks. > > You aren't going to break any water bonds with microwave energy at > that frequency. The water will simply vapourize first. If you can > selectively heat an isolated protein molecule sure you can fracture > it but you're doing it with heat because when it absorbs the radio > energy the molecule gets hot. Many proteins degrade with heat. > But when that protein is tightly mixed with other proteins and > water molecules, it certainly will tend to give its heat to its > surrounding molecules. Furthermore, the resonant frequencies of > any molecules are affected by its surrounding molecules. No I am > no talking about the nucleii (NMR) but the resonances of the > chemical bonds of the molecule. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 12:07:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA18965 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18949 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id OAA10386; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:58:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:58:54 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.613 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Aerogels for the most part are oxides. The most publicized aerogel is one made of silicon oxide, chemically the same as pure glass. The difference lies in the fact that the SiO2 molecules are arranged in chains, with a GREAT deal of air in between, either 99.8% or 98.2% air in terms of density. There are other aerogels as well; the only one I can recall off the top of my head istitanium oxide aerogel. Not all aerogels are solids; some are viscous gels. Also, it is proposed that even aerogels chemically similar may differ due to the different conformations that the chains possess. Aerogels have been around for a while, but have only recently been popular, due to the fact that they can now be produced with a far more efficient method developed at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories. The process involves taking, say, silicon oxide dissolved in hydrocarbons, I believe. Then, the entire thing is brought into supercritical conditions, where the liquid then drains out of the now solid aerogel. ( You must forgive me; it's been a while since I've studied the aerogels. ) Overall, they're a great class of substances, with a lot of potential commercial applications. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 12:27:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA22236 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA22203 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from t2slip124.vvm.com (t2slip124.vvm.com [204.71.94.34]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA21450 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:26:06 -0600 Received: by t2slip124.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAED8C.A50236A0@t2slip124.vvm.com>; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:26:42 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAED8C.A50236A0@t2slip124.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.614 From: Brent Davidson To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: fnrg: Making Fog Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:23:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0" Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not quite sure that I know what you're referring to. I've seen = foggers at stores like Wal-Mart that are used for bug spraying, but I = don't think that it will meet my needs. I need the fog for a play. It = has to be made on stage in a small area and realatively quietly. If you = are talking about the standard humidifiers, the fog that they produce = isn't quite dense enough. Thanks for the info though, I'll check on = those things and see. By the way, in case anyone was wondering, I'm = just not going to pay $250.00 for a professional fog machine. Try one of those foggers used to humidify the air by spraying a very = very fine mist. You can get them at buiding supply stores, especially in hot = dry climates in the summer. Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IisUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAE0AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABmcmVlbnJnLWxpc3RAZXNraW1vLmNvbQBTTVRQAGZyZWVucmctbGlzdEBlc2tpbW8u Y29tAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAYAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1saXN0QGVza2lt by5jb20AAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAAGgAAACdmcmVlbnJnLWxpc3RAZXNraW1vLmNv bScAAAACAQswAQAAAB0AAABTTVRQOkZSRUVOUkctTElTVEBFU0tJTU8uQ09NAAAAAAMAADkAAAAA CwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADmzoBCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwuTm90 ZQAxCAEEgAEAFQAAAFJFOiBmbnJnOiBNYWtpbmcgRm9nAIsGAQWAAwAOAAAAzAcBABwADgAXACcA AAA8AQEggAMADgAAAMwHAQAcAA4ADgAMAAAAGAEBCYABACEAAAAwQ0UyQjBCMDdENTlDRjExQkVB MkQ4NkIwMEMxMDAwMAAkBwEDkAYA9AQAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYA AAAAAEAAOQAARLKCvu26AR4AcAABAAAAFQAAAFJFOiBmbnJnOiBNYWtpbmcgRm9nAAAAAAIBcQAB AAAAFgAAAAG67b6CmLCw4g1ZfRHPvqLYawDBAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEA AAARAAAAZGF2aWRzb25AdnZtLmNvbQAAAAADAAYQ3Py9hwMABxDdAgAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASU1O T1RRVUlURVNVUkVUSEFUSUtOT1dXSEFUWU9VUkVSRUZFUlJJTkdUT0lWRVNFRU5GT0dHRVJTQVRT VE9SRVNMSUtFV0FMLU1BUlRUSEFUQVJFVVNFREZPUkJVR1NQUkFZSQAAAAACAQkQAQAAAHsDAAB3 AwAATwUAAExaRnUcv83E/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHBy QnER4nN0ZW0CgzN3AuQHEwKAfQqACM8J2TvxFg8yNTUCgAqBDbELYOBuZzEwMxRQCwoUUQUL8mMA QCBJJ20gRG5vBUBxdWkT0CA2cwhwG7B0EYAFQEkgVmsbMAfgdxwyeQhgJ3sb8RYQZgSQBRAZEBwQ b7QuIBrhdhuxCeEgAhD8Z2cEkAQgHEETwAWwB5EobGlrG7BXB0AtTV8KwAVAHCMKwBuwdRGwZFMf IQXAYnUeIHMTUGFaeR4BLCJBHFJkAiAn+yESC4BrHBQbkBzQAxADIDcHgBHAJRB5GyAJ4GRzPx5i JZMcERuwHzEiA2Eg/QtReR5iBUARgAQgHkAiQLcbsADADbAgAiAf0WEfYPckkAOgJ1BzAMAk8SGB J1BPAHAh8CpRC2B0aR6wbN8lgBtxEcArYB5iZh0iIXP5AZBsax4CAaAIYCESG7EPAZAqoAsRKAB1 bWlk+waQCJFzIxAmlhwjJpElgNMTUARwdWMpcXMjsht0nw2wAIAbsAnwCGBnaB5h/lQRgCQgBCAi EiaSC4ACEP8cETJCIxAa8CTxEXAFkCQw7ykBM/Ex8SPyZx+RKqEe4e0eYUIlgCaSdyLAIxApgv5j KCAbsABwHTAloDchBCDedwIgBIEi4xryaiHABUA5GzJnbx4EJ2AiwCAk4RhAMC4wMCcGA2AdwP0E EGkCIAdAJsMAwSQBNoDvCocZ6zCBE9BjBUAKiyBQnDM2PsE+Hz8pVHIlgP84QjwQNUUfNiHDKFEu lTbU/wtwIjElgCKWJ0EesEJxRmK/CoUu8DhRLrATwB5gWSxx/zfAA6AfYC2jGxAcQSJQLsH7HhEb 0HALUEWRH/MjEAeQfnAFkAcxK2EpkTQABUBk/UbXYyBQAMAT0AQgKZEtw5suoAeAcj12CoVSaRFy jSHwQTnBKZEgLS0ecLMT4AtwbDodkE7kQAAg+DY2LgWgGxBPwyKwLtCCb1BgS0c3U1UKhfFTB1dF QhvAG5FQYB5wgmgCQHA6Ly93VNDSLlEGL35QhS8KhU/Qv1a/V89Y30/QUq5TA0kAgN0rIHQjQCay BcBQGPERwPsKwCWAUgnwB9AHQE38TfwvP99A7wqFFTEAYeAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzBg t80wve26AUAACDBgt80wve26AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAE24= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0-- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 15:28:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA21119 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21083 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.615 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41387; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:27:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:21:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: Bedini device tested To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <960127235050_76216.2421_HHB49-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > - Has anyone else tried this yet? > - Anybody have any other ideas for things I/we should try? > I started taping the magnets together and noticed that the magnetic fields just cancelled each other out (except for a residual). I made two N-S-S-N and two S-N-N-S just to see how they would react together. Fun to play with. Interesting at the very least. Taping them with electrical tape is a lot easier thatn glueing, BTW. Will play more, thanks again Mr. Beaty! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 22:23:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA07423 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA07383 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:19:19 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.616 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA22184 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:04:23 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D3606Jr Mon, Jan 29, 1996 00:54:02 EST Message-Id: <9601290054.D3606Jr@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 00:54:01 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Please read my posted reply to your prior post, I would like your feedback. I suspected Starlight Plastic got it's the name because stars turn mass into energy, and Starlight Plastic may do the opposite to remain cold!!! sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 22:23:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA08330 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA08288 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:22:13 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.617 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA21447 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:32:27 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D8196AM Mon, Jan 29, 1996 00:23:12 EST Message-Id: <9601290023.D8196AM@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 00:23:11 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> It was instantly cold after heat was removed. It seemed only >> explainable if all >> heat energy was being absorbed and converted to mass instantly. It was >A more likely explanation might be that it was almost 100% reflecting >(it is white), and thus absorbed none of the radiant heat. This would >also explain why it was "instantly cold" - i.e. it didn't get hot in >the first place. I agree that that it may be 100 % reflecting. I saw a picture in National Geographic once that showed a space shuttle tile sample cube glowing red hot in the middle, but being held by bare hands on the cool corners. I will explain how I came up with the idea. There was once a picture of magnets floating both above and below a superconducting disk in National Geographic, and I saw a similar picture in The Chicago Tribune (2-10-92). The "normal" magnet reflection explaination given for a magnet floating above a superconducting disk did not seem able to explain why a magnet could float suspended below the superconducting disk. My idea developed as follows: 1.The sun is very hot, has magnetic storms, and radiates energy. 2.A magnet radiates a magnetic field. 3.The photon is the quantum particle of the EM field and has a momentum state wave function shaped like a corkscrew. (per Roger Penrose) 4.Because E=mc^2 and E=hf, the mass of a photon is directly porportional to it's frequency. 5. If magnetism is indicative of mass turning into energy, as with magnetic storms on the sun's hot surface, then could superconductivity, be an oposite process that involves energy turning into mass?? 6. If you assume this is true, then you can explain the magnet floating below the superconductor as being held in place by an interaction of forces similar to debris stuck in a hydraulic below a low dam on a fast river. (if you are into canoeing you will know the danger of low dam hydraluic entrapment) The magnet floating below the superconductor can be seen as entraped by an interaction of forces. 7. By analgy, the magnetic lines of flux (emitted photons) repel the magnet while the incoming photon energy condensing into mass at the superconducting disk would provide an oposing force to hold the magnet in place. 8.Thus the magnet floats (is repeled yet held in place) below the superconducting disk. 9.Think of an interaction of the photon's corkscrew shaped momentum state wave function. Thus I concluded: Manisfestation Cause -------------------- --------- 1. magnetism Mass turning into energy (as on sun) 2. superconductivity Energy turning into mass (cold) Since the photon is the quantum particle of the electromagnetic field, and the mass of a photon is directly porportional to it's frequency (e=hf and e=mc^2) one can ask what is the frequency of a permanent magnet? It must be extremely high and approaching mass to exert a physical force! I sent these ideas to Kip Thorn on 10-20-92 and never got a reply back. I hope this helps you see how I came up with my explaination for the Starlight plastic as possibly turning energy into mass. I just joined this group and would like feedback on these ideas. (Maybe I will be as famous as Einstein...grin) David Sligar - president Intermax Online Corporation Cold Spring, KY phone 606-781-0691 sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 23:20:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA23484 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA23456 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:19:23 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.618 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA22288 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:26:21 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D3677qO Mon, Jan 29, 1996 01:17:42 EST Message-Id: <9601290117.D3677qO@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 01:17:40 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible" - Albert Einstein If man can imagine it, he can do it. A hairdresser came up with Starlight Plastic, and Bravo, the paradigm shifts. Knowledge hidden is knowledge wasted. sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Jan 28 23:33:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA25839 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA25807 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma5-18.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA09505; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:24:39 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:24:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199601290724.XAA09505@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tesla@ssz.com X-UIDL: 834952770.619 From: Dennis Lee Subject: fnrg: Greetings Cc: alex@frolov.spb.ru, deadnuts@deadnuts.com, RKeirn@aol.com, digibson@nmsu.edu, erg@world.std.com, leep@world.std.com, ejp@world.std.com, driscoll@wit.edu, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, ives@ccs.neu.edu, umweld@world.std.com, leep@world.std.com, infoctr@hk.linkage.net, 73577.123@compuserve.com, tcapizzi@world.std.com, USA-TESLA@usa.net, ohl@world.std.com, csepulv@husc.harvard.edu, steve@media.mit.edu, TAFAUL@aol.com, ross@pacificnet.net, lynn_jacobsson@csufresno.edu, 71650.60@compuserve.com, bso@acm.org, bgh@wtn.ionics.com, cls@ENGA.BU.EDU, standeyo@iinet.net.au, crc@ENGA.BU.EDU, hic@world.std.com, ahannan@eris.cs.umb.edu, bmaher@world.std.com, 76753.3551@compuserve.com, number@tiac.net Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello; I've been asked to introduce myself. My name is Dennis C. Lee. I am of no relation to the Dennis Lee who is working on O/U thermodynamic processes. My interest at the moment is to resonate air at its' ion acoustic frequency (plural?). I have recently learned that the Mean Free Path of air at S.T.P. is 50 nm. Does this figure sound reasonable? Would a longitudinal (scalar?) wave vibrate an ion radially? What frequency / voltage / phase combination would correspond to vibrating an ion at an amplitude (spherically radial?) equal to the Mean Free Path? Well folks, what do you think? Dennis C. Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 29 05:49:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA06805 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA06787 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:44:19 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.620 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaapq11839; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaapq21951; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:42:55 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA822933777; Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:36:01 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:36:01 EDT Encoding: 83 Text Message-Id: <9600298229.AA822933777@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Making Fog Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I had some problems finding the ultrasonic humidifier for the fog machine. However, I finally found one. If you really need one I can give you all the information about it. It's new, and it's more expensive than the ones in flea markets Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: fnrg: Making Fog Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 01/28/96 03:57 PM ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not quite sure that I know what you're referring to. I've seen = foggers at stores like Wal-Mart that are used for bug spraying, but I = don't think that it will meet my needs. I need the fog for a play. It = has to be made on stage in a small area and realatively quietly. If you = are talking about the standard humidifiers, the fog that they produce = isn't quite dense enough. Thanks for the info though, I'll check on = those things and see. By the way, in case anyone was wondering, I'm = just not going to pay $250.00 for a professional fog machine. Try one of those foggers used to humidify the air by spraying a very = very fine mist. You can get them at buiding supply stores, especially in hot = dry climates in the summer. 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Then of course we know what happens! Some innocent lady in a supermarket in another universe spontaneously combusts! That energy is going somewhere; and making dust out of lovable little 'ol ladies, not so different than your own grandmother! And in the name of Science! Indeed! By the way, my name is Chad. I use my girl-friend's acct. here in Germany. Someday, after I've seen enough of the world, I just might do something... with... um.... or maybe I'll web-surf and drink beer. Peace to all, and thanks for whatever you're doing (but not to whom!) Chad May, stuck in Chemnitz From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 29 11:51:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA04359 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.75.9]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03951 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from student.health.ufl.edu by nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:31:16 EST Received: from HCLIBRARY2/WORKQUEUE by student.health.ufl.edu (Mercury 1.21); 29 Jan 96 14:31:32 -0500 Received: from WORKQUEUE by HCLIBRARY2 (Mercury 1.21); 29 Jan 96 14:31:20 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.622 From: "KEVIN KIRBY" Organization: Univ. of Florida HSC Student Email To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:31:17 EST5EDT Subject: RCPT: Re: fnrg: piezoelectric equations Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1) Message-ID: <13F69AD44B0@student.health.ufl.edu> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 24 Jan 96 9:45 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: piezoelectric equations Was read at 14:31, 29 Jan 96. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 29 14:23:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA29270 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA28618; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:17:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.623 From: Tony Rusi To: Michael Mandeville cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <199601252011.MAA22202@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: > At 12:57 PM 1/25/96 -0500, you wrote: > > > >The Startlight product may be as fantaic as people have stated, however, > >the mechanics behind such a material are somewhat simple, yet very hard > >to construct. > > > >For a material to resist anything, it must have mass. What they managed > >to do, is to raise the atomic density of a particular plastic (or > >polymer), to that which is comprable to say diamond or lead. > > > >However, if such a plastic were available to the public, with such a high > >atomic resistance, and probbably a high tensile strength, what would the > >weight be? For example, molybendium which has a temprature rating of > >4730F (bout 1200C) has an atomic density of .367 pounds per square inch, > >wheras graphite has a density of .054psi. > > > >such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. > >Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe > >not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... > > > >Anyone care to comment? > > > >Wolf > > > >Skyward Aerospace > >(905)685-8726 Extension #1 > >wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca > > > >"There's Only Two Seasons In Canada, Winter... And July" > > > > > > > > your mass theorem is a very bad assumption > > plastic polymrs are primarily carbon and gases > whatever else is thrown in just aint gonna get the mass close to where you > would want it to do > AND despite the incredible mass of lead, it melts easily at low temp > > > who says you need the mass? > it isnt an inertia thing, > the stuff does not absorb energy thus transmitting to the other side > it reflects > the essense is in the geometry of itself and the structure of space it > creates to reflect the energies > that is why starlight is so fascinating > it shows that geometry of structure/space has function, that equations of > mass/energy of themselves are incomplete > it is just one more rabbit peeking out the morning magician's hat alongside > cf, zpe, radiation neutralization, ou magnetic motors...man, there is a > whole passel of posums in that hat along side the easter bunny and his > cousins. They are all part of the paradigm which is about to shift. It may > take the theorticians 20 yrs to tie it all together, but the Rutherford's > will have some phenomenon baselines out in just a few years, you can smell > it and taste it. > > Skyward people should think GEOMETRY OF SPACE > ____________________________________ > MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing > Michael Mandeville, publisher > mwm@aa.net > http://www.aa.net/~mwm > > Well the stuff I saw was charred black and bubbling after a bout with the torch. Did anyone find the reference in BussinessWeek? The stuff was a white goop when applied to a surface and did not look overly dense. He wasn't using two hands to apply a table knife's bladefull to a surface. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 29 14:41:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA08179 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08125; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:41:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:41:29 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.624 From: Tony Rusi To: Robin van Spaandonk cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <199601270515.QAA07309@tornado.netspace.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 27 Jan 1996, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On 25 Jan 96 at 8:32, Frank Earl wrote: > [snip] > > Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned > > physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny > > that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. > > They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." > [snip] > The name "Starlight" is extremely suggestive. Does anyone know where > it came from? > > Robin van Spaandonk > > all the show said was his daughter or granddaughter named it. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Jan 29 18:59:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA11714 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA11573 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA09775; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:56:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.625 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Making Fog In-Reply-To: <9601290149.D8493LL@intermax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996 sysop@intermax.com wrote: > > Suggest you call the St. Louis Science Center museum at 314-289-4400 > and ask how the make the fog in their big tornado exhibit. I built one while at the Boston Museum of Science. They all use Ultrasonic humidifiers. Youd need a whole pile of these to make enough fog for a theatrical performance. Dry ice in boiling water is much more straightforward. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 02:09:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA14831 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA14823 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-8.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-8.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.8]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA17468 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:04:32 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601301004.VAA17468@tornado.netspace.net.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.626 From: "Robin van Spaandonk" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:06:47 +0900 Subject: Re: fnrg: Greetings Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 28 Jan 96 at 23:24, Dennis Lee wrote: [snip] > processes. My interest at the moment is to resonate air at its' ion acoustic > frequency (plural?). I have recently learned that the Mean Free Path of air > at S.T.P. is 50 nm. Does this figure sound reasonable? Would a longitudinal > (scalar?) wave vibrate an ion radially? What frequency / voltage / phase > combination would correspond to vibrating an ion at an amplitude > (spherically radial?) equal to the Mean Free Path? By "spherically radial", I presume you mean expanding and contracting the volume of the electron shells. If so, then this would presumably imply adding sufficient energy to each electron to lift it into an energy shell with a "radius" of 250 angstrom. Given that this is about 100 times the normal size of an atom, I suspect that in fact this would be the same as stripping all the electrons off the atom completely (or very close to it). In this case the only conditions that need to be met are that sufficiently energetic photons be used (several keV for the innermost electrons). This would however not lead to pulsations as such, just ionized atoms. I suppose that if you were to pulse the energy supplied, and leave sufficient time between pulses, then the atoms would reform in the mean time, but is there really any point to the exercise? [snip] Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 04:30:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA29518 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28000 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA05400 for magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:41:24 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by irout.advantor.com id AA822936716 Mon, 29 Jan 96 09:31:56 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 09:31:56 X-UIDL: 834952770.627 From: "reim" Encoding: 874 Text Message-Id: <9600298229.AA822936716@irout.advantor.com> To: eskimo.com!freenrg-list@magicnet.magicnet.net Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Making Fog Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I forget the compound, but I have see it advertised where you can purchases a compound that makes a lot of fog. Its what special effects places use. See if you can contact some local theaters. They may know where you can get it. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: Making Fog Author: magicnet.magicnet.net!eskimo.com!freenrg-list at ~Internet Date: 1/28/96 1:42 PM >I know this may be a little off topic for this group, but I thought that >if anyone could solve this problem, It would be one of the people in this >group. I need a quick, quiet and cheap to make fog. I've ruled out the >Ultrasonic humidifier method as I cannot find one of them and dry ice fog >doesn't quite produce the effect I need. Can anyone help? > >Thanks, >Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 04:30:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA11301 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11180 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p3.aa.net (s3c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.135]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06044 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:48:03 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199601291848.KAA06044@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:47:48 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.628 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:18 PM 1/27/96 +0900, you wrote: >On 25 Jan 96 at 8:32, Frank Earl wrote: >[snip] >> Yeah, that was also implied by the article that there were world renowned >> physicists that in no way could explain any of this. They did NOT deny >> that it was done- they conducted many of the tests on Starlight themselves. >> They couldn't explain it- said, "It seems to defy the known laws of physics." >[snip] >The name "Starlight" is extremely suggestive. Does anyone know where >it came from? > >Robin van Spaandonk > > yes indeed it is very suggestive. I keep hoping someone in England who is closer to to the news and the inventor will pop up and give us a more hard fact briefing on this. Hello, is anyone there??? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 04:46:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA17661 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com (ix11.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.11]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA16804 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA21698; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:24:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:24:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199601292024.MAA21698@ix11.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.629 From: drted@ix.netcom.com (Ted Viens) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: sysop wrote: > > >Please read my posted reply to your prior post, I would like your >feedback. > >I suspected Starlight Plastic got it's the name because stars turn mass >into energy, and Starlight Plastic may do the opposite to remain cold!!! > >sysop@intermax.com > Let us try to get back to reality here. I have watched two or three TV features on starlight from two different networks several times over the past few years. Believe me, STARLIGHT DOES NOT REMAIN COLD. When subjected to high temperature torches it glows fiercely with a blackbody temperature matching the expected effects of the torch. So, as it is being torched, the surface is very HOT indeed. Now, the "miracle" of starlight is that it insulates SO well and whatever does get HOT dissipates its heat SO rapidly after the torch is removed. These characteristics are completely analogous to pumice stone which is why firewalkers in many "primitive" cultures line their chosen path through the fire with pumice stone. Starlight is just orders of magnitude better at doing this. Before I would feel comfortable ascribing any ZPE, E to M conversion, or other esoteric reasons for this, I would love to learn of common thermodynamics studies that tell us of the total dissipative mechanics of starlight when subjected to an intense energy source. What are the conductive, convective, and radiant losses? What is the specific heat of starlight? What is the mechanical structure of starlight? Assuming that radiant effects were the predominant heat loss mechanism, what are the physics behind such an effecient energy conversion and radiation system??? Maybe the British M-6 will give us a comprehensive synopsis of the workings of starlight... (Aaack, my humor kills me...) -- Bye... Ted.. Deep in the Heart of the Armpits of Houston, Texas... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 04:53:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA04901 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1a.gnn.com (mail-e1a.gnn.com [204.148.101.53]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA03270 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-19-197.gnn.com. (www-19-197.gnn.com [205.188.19.197]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01188 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:11:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601300111.UAA01188@mail-e1a.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:10:13 X-UIDL: 834952770.630 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: fnrg: Making Fog Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Brent Davidson wrote: I need the fog for a play. I don't know if it will work for your play, but would it be possible to release CO2 in another room and conduct it through a tube? Hope you find a solution. Paul Lamb >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 5067 >Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com > [204.122.16.4]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with > ESMTP id RAA29565 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 > 17:10:40 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com > (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA22236 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, > 28 Jan 1996 12:27:00 -0800 (PST) >Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by > mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA22203 for > ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:26:54 -0800 > (PST) >Received: from t2slip124.vvm.com (t2slip124.vvm.com > [204.71.94.34]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id > OAA21450 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 > 14:26:06 -0600 >Received: by t2slip124.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail > id <01BAED8C.A50236A0@t2slip124.vvm.com>; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 > 14:26:42 -0600 >X-UIDL: 822963830.004 >Message-ID: <01BAED8C.A50236A0@t2slip124.vvm.com> >From: Brent Davidson >To: "'freenrg-list@eskimo.com'" >Subject: RE: fnrg: Making Fog >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:23:39 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- > =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0" >Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BAED8C.A566EBE0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I'm not quite sure that I know what you're referring to. > I've seen = >foggers at stores like Wal-Mart that are used for bug > spraying, but I = >don't think that it will meet my needs. I need the fog for > a play. It = >has to be made on stage in a small area and realatively > quietly. If you = >are talking about the standard humidifiers, the fog that > they produce = >isn't quite dense enough. Thanks for the info though, I'll > check on = >those things and see. By the way, in case anyone was > wondering, I'm = >just not going to pay $250.00 for a professional fog machine. > > >Try one of those foggers used to humidify the air by > spraying a very = >very >fine mist. You can get them at buiding supply stores, > especially in hot = >dry >climates in the summer. > >Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU > WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ >------------------------------------------------------- > Institute for Planetary Renewal > > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 04:59:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA06446 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06427 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA08556; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:42:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:42:04 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.631 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: When to shift paradigms Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:02:00 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: tilleyrw@ddi.digital.net (Robert Tilley) Subject: When to shift paradigms When I read postings that mention things that are "widely-known", I think to mysely: "But are they?". For example, lightspeed. The Michelson-Morley experiment is supposed to have laid the debate about variability to rest, right? But what about the differences that have been reported when the experiment is performed in different directions? Say, north/south vs. east/west. Why have they been suppressed? I know this has little relevance to the current train of discussion, but I try to follow the most basic rule that every scientist should. "Always question everything." That means I incessantly question and investigate. Perhaps I may not have an extremely firm foundation for what is "real" as opposed to "unreal", but I am more likely to find something new because I have looked at things differently, I believe. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, | | and why. Then do it." -- Lazarus Long | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Robert Tilley * tilleyrw@digital.net * "Once upon a time..." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | *** --- *** --- http://ddi.digital.net/~tilleyrw --- *** --- *** | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 10:17:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA00983 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00721 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id NAA15315; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:03:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:03:21 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.632 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <199601292024.MAA21698@ix11.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hmm. Regarding Starlight ( not that anybody probably knows, because of the secrecy around it ), was there any electrical phenomena noted inside the polymer itself? Maybe it is turning all the thermal energy into electrical or magnetic energy; a partial superconductor? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Jan 30 17:50:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA10211 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA09626 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip140.vvm.com (slip140.vvm.com [204.71.94.50]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA32485 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:42:42 -0600 Received: by slip140.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAEF4B.35DD6F40@slip140.vvm.com>; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:43:21 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAEF4B.35DD6F40@slip140.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.633 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Hovertec Info Distribution Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:40:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I will have some free time wednesday night so I'll try to send the = Hovertec info out then to those whose e-mail addresses I already have. = If you want the info and don't receive it by (porbably) Monday, then = send another request, preferably directly to me rather than to freenrg, = with "Snd Info" as the subject line. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 31 20:12:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA14936 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kaos.deepcove.com (kaos.deepcove.com [206.12.208.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14894 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepcove.com by Kaos.deepcove.com; Wed, 31 Jan 96 20:06 PST Received: by deepcove.com id A8126wk Wed, 31 Jan 96 20:02:59 X-UIDL: 834952770.635 From: greg.birdsall@deepcove.com Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <9601312002.A8126wk@deepcove.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 20:02:59 Subject: fnrg: RE[2]: FNRG: MAKING F To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I work in the film business and the compound we use to make fog is called polyethylene glycol. You heat it to 300 or 400 deg F. and you have fog. An electric frying pan will do the job. The stuff is sometimes used as a thickener in food. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Jan 31 23:27:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA18591 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA18515 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from t9.dialup.peg.apc.org (t9.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.137]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.8 ) with SMTP id HAA25154 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:03:58 +1000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:03:58 +1000 Message-Id: <199601252103.HAA25154@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.636 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >The Startlight product may be as fantaic as people have stated, however, >the mechanics behind such a material are somewhat simple, yet very hard >to construct. > >such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. >Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe >not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... > >Anyone care to comment? > >Wolf > Seem to recall in the Australian TV program I saw, the inventor claims he got the idea from the way various chemicals were applied to the scalp to treat hair. Got the impression that he used these "hair" based chemicals to create his product....but my memory may be wrong here. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 00:01:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA27454 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA27434 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from t20.dialup.peg.apc.org (t20.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.148]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.9 ) with SMTP id IAA04971 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:31:48 +1000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:31:48 +1000 Message-Id: <199601292231.IAA04971@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.637 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > So, let me get this straight.... > > every time someone demonstrates some of this plastic, and they heat >it up to red hot, but it doesn't get hot.... > > Then of course we know what happens! Some innocent lady in a >supermarket in another universe spontaneously combusts! That energy is >going somewhere; and making dust out of lovable little 'ol ladies, not so >different than your own grandmother! > > And in the name of Science! Indeed! > > >By the way, my name is Chad. I use my girl-friend's acct. here in >Germany. Someday, after I've seen enough of the world, I just might do >something... with... um.... or maybe I'll web-surf and drink beer. > >Peace to all, and thanks for whatever you're doing (but not to whom!) > >Chad May, stuck in Chemnitz > Chad...Why don't you get your Own computer/Internet setup and stop bludging off your girlfriend Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 00:16:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA29447 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16621 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA20603; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:35:12 -0500 Date: 31 Jan 96 13:32:02 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.647 From: Chris Malcheski <71232.360@compuserve.com> To: X Subject: fnrg: Scalar Theory Message-ID: <960131183201_71232.360_GHL102-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I'm brand new to this mailing list and have no idea who's on it. My name is Chris Malcheski; I live in the Denver area. I've been interested in this area of science (scalar, free energy, anti gravity, etc.) for many years but am just now approaching the time where I can hopefully engage in full time, well-financed research. For nearly 3 years I've been working full time on a floppy-based QIC tape data recovery program. It's about 4 weeks away from completion and beta test if all goes well. Since I have no debts, investors or marketers at the time of release, the company starts in the black with nearly no overhead. Even mediocre sales will be able to provide very nice levels of financing for research, and this is my main intent. However as with any business venture, nothing is for real until it actually happens. If I can say this objectively without offending anyone ... I've been perusing the seemingly endless supply of information on the net (mainly Bill Beaty's pages) and the information I've found there, coupled with what I've been running across from all the various other sources out there (ITS, Borderland, etc.) seems to indicate a relatively high level of hit-and-miss guesswork when it comes to the realm of scalar waves/fields. I have a few issues I want to throw out and see what comes back on these ideas, since it would seem to me that if scalar theory were better understood, actual experimentation would go much faster and yield much more productive results. However, given my inexperience in actual hands-on experimentation, all I can do is sit in my comfy chair and declare how my ideas "look good on paper." Maybe I need an education, and that's why I'm here. There are those who have been getting their hands dirty far longer than I. I just don't want it to sound like I'm taking an attitude. Again, since I'm hopefully approaching the point of being able to engage in serious research, I want to make such research as efficient as possible. I realize this mailing list is geared toward actual experimentation and I hope these theory-based inquiries are not considered out of line, since they are ultimately aimed at preparing me for my own actual research. 1) from the designs I've seen, it would appear that scalar waves like to propagate in a direction perpendicular to the directions of the EM waves cancelling each other out. This alone (if it's accurate) should provide some good study material on figuring out exactly what scalar waves are and how they are generated. Knowing this could save countless dollars and time in actual experimentation. Tesla once commented on how he was a sorry witness to Edison's extreme levels of wasted time and effort, when a little theory and calculation could have saved him multitudes of both. 2) At the 1989 Tesla Symposium, Larry Spring gave a talk on his energy spheres that he believed comprised EM radiation. Personally I find problems with this idea, but that's not what's at issue here. He mentioned a time when he was out in a field measuring the signal strength coming from a TV station. He had two antennae hooked up to a meter at the same time. When he positioned one antenna at a certain distance from the other, the signals cancelled out and signal strength read 0. This in itself indicates serious flaws in conventional theory (which we all already know), however I have not yet heard anybody acknowledge the simple fact that in order to achieve this cancellation effect, there had to be some sort of negative cycle involved in the standard RF transmission. Conventional theory holds that power levels in a standard RF wave range from 0 to some level. 0 being the lowest, no cancellation could have occured. There had to be a negative cycle equal in magnitude to the peak of the positive cycle. Does anybody know anything about this? 3) What do the resonant frequencies of various materials have to do with their scalar generation effects / abilities? Is there some avenue to persue that might result in calculating the resonant scalar frequency of a given material based on its atomic/molecular structure? 4) Patrick Flanagan told me that standard capacitors emit scalar fields. Has anybody been working with this? I'll cut this short here and see what comes back. I'm not supposed to be talking general theory here so I don't want to go overboard. These are major issues I have that are going to affect my own experimentation. Thanks for whatever you can answer with! -- Chris Malcheski 71232.360@compuserve.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:17:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA10518 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09961 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:35:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601301835.KAA09961@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:19:16 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.655 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Resonance reference materials Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >frequencies? And would you (or anyone here?) happen to have a reference to the >table you mentioned, or other molecular resonant frequency tables for various >materials? Ditto that. I would like to see any resonance information anywhere on atoms or molecules. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA *You can always tell an MIT grad, just can't tell 'em much* ;) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:22:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA11528 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxx.mc.net (XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXCrootR|/bin/mailnobaboonmaxx.mc.net/etc/passwdHRecievedXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@maxx.mc.net [206.138.8.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA11025 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from isz23.mc.net (isz23.mc.net [206.138.8.123]) by maxx.mc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00357 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:07:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199601310307.VAA00357@maxx.mc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.656 From: "Robert Sciog" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:11:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >The name "Starlight" is extremely suggestive. Does anyone know where > >it came from? > > Right at the end of the program that aired on the discovery channel, they added an anectdote about the name starlight. They say the name was given to the material by the inventors granddaugter. No special significance except that children tend to come up with better names for things.... (Paraphrased ). +----------------+----------------------------------------+ | Robert Sciog | | | rsciog@mc.net | | +----------------+----------------------------------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:24:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA18395 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.best.com (mailx.best.com [204.156.128.56]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17838 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by mailx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA18861 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:21:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:21:21 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.657 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: 3rd INSE Conference Announcement (Latest) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: THE THIRD INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON NEW ENERGY ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS A SYMPOSIUM FOR PROFESSIONALS, INDUSTRY, LAY PEOPLE AND NEWS MEDIA April 25-28, 1996 Denver Hilton South Hotel Denver, Colorado CALL FOR PAPERS AND ABSTRACTS Scholarly papers are invited on any topic related to New Energy as defined herein. These papers should include one or more of the following: theories, designs, inventions, and research results. Speakers are encouraged to bring hardware. Abstracts of not more than 400 words must be sent as soon as possible to the address below. Consideration of abstracts cannot be assured if received after March 15, 1996. Authors will be notified as soon as possible if the paper is accepted for presentation. Camera ready manuscripts for the proceedings are due March 15, 1996. Symposium on New Energy International Association for New Science (IANS) 1304 S. College Avenue Fort Collins, CO 80524 TEL 970-482-3731 FAX 970-482-3120 SYMPOSIUM DATES AND TIMES April 25 (Thursday) Evening Workshops 6:30 pm - 9:30 pm April 26 (Friday) Lectures 8:30 am - 5:00 pm Evening Workshops 6:30 pm - 9:30 pm April 27 (Saturday) Lectures 8:30 am - 5:00 pm Evening Workshops 6:30 pm - 9:30 pm April 28 (Sunday) Lectures 8:30 am - 5:00 pm Evening Workshops 6:30 pm - 9:30 pm LOCATION The Symposium will take place at the Denver Hilton South Hotel, 7801 East Orchard Road, Englewood, Colorado 80111. (Englewood is in the south part of Denver.) A private shuttle bus service is available from the airport. Purchase tickets at ground transportation (DASH), a round-trip ticket is $27.00. For hotel reservations, call 1-800-327-2242. ROOM RATES The room rate for a single room or a double room with two double beds is $59.00. A block of rooms has been reserved. Please register before April 4 to assure a room and this low rate, and mention that you are with the International Symposium on New Energy. The hotel also has suites available with a king size bed and a pull out sofa bed. Small suites are $195.00 and the large suites with a four person jacuzzi are $275.00. POSTER BOARD DISPLAY AND NEW ENERGY EXHIBIT Researchers who are not speakers will have an opportunity to display their research findings by means of designated poster boards. Researchers' New Energy Inventions will be displayed and demonstrated in an exhibit area. WORKSHOPS, BANQUET AND PROCEEDINGS Some of the speakers will present concurrent workshops on the evenings of April 25-28. The fee is $20.00 each. A banquet will be held Sunday at noon. The banquet fee is $25.00. A proceedings of the Symposium will be published and available at the conference. HARDWARE TESTING Researchers who wish to bring their working hardware or invention to the Symposium can elect to have them tested for their efficiency without charge. These tests will be administered with the inventor present by accredited engineers familiar with new energy concepts. Some testing will be done in association with Colorado State University. AIRFARE DISCOUNT Jacoby Travel/Coble Cruise has been selected as the official travel agency and United Airlines as the official carrier. Special discount airfares have been arranged for participants traveling to Colorado. Call your special representative at Jacoby Travel/Coble Cruise to accommodate your needs at 1-800-366-0382 or 1-970-669-6550. REGISTRATION It is encouraged that attendees preregister as space is limited. Registration will also occur at the door, beginning Thursday, April 25 at 3:00 p.m. Registration Fees: (10% Discount for IANS Members) Before March 1, 1996: $200.00 Before April 1, 1996: $250.00 After April 1, 1996: $300.00 Workshops: $20.00 each Banquet: $25.00 IANS Membership is $35.00 per year, and includes the quarterly newsletter. Speakers at the conference are expected to include: Keynote Speakers: Dennis Cravens: Patterson Cold Fusion Power Cell (Over Unity Device) Mark Hendershot: Hendershot Motor Harold Puthoff, PhD: Zero Point Energy Jim Griggs: Hyrosonic Pump (Over Unity Device) Eugene Mallove, ScD: Cold Fusion Tom Valone: Free Energy and Propulsion Edgar Mitchell, former Apollo Astronaut: New Energy Update Other Speakers: Harold Aspden: Ferromagnetics (Over Unity Device) Robert Emmerich: Measuring Energy John Grow: Anti-Gravity William Hyde: Electrostatic Generator (Over Unity Device) Scott Klaumizio: Power from Food Oils Ron Kovac: Transmutation of Elements Peter Linderman: Thermodynamics Roy McAllister: Hydrogen Energy Bill Muller: Magnetic Motor Generator Dale Pond: The Keely Motor Troy Reed: Magnetic Motors and More Bert Werjefelt: Magnetic Motor Charles Yost: Electric Space Craft Propulsion Paulo Correa, PhD: Pulse Abnormal Glow Discharge Reactor Hal Fox: Cold Fusion John Hutchison: Anti-Gravity/Energy Converter Russ James: Magnetic Emission Reduction Device Don Kelly: Free Energy Update Win Lambertson (assignee): Solid State Conversion Jeanne Manning: The Upcoming Energy Revolution Andrew Michrowski: Free Energy in Self-Sustaining Home Brian O'Leary, PhD: Miracle in the Void Wing Pon: A Unified Theory of the Free Energy Paradigm Pierre Sinclair: Gravitational Magnetic Drive (anti-gravity) Dan Winter: Gravitational Energy and Emotion AND MANY MORE! DEFINITION OF NEW ENERGY New Energy or advanced energy technology includes theory, research, construction, and testing of advanced energy devices. These devices and systems operate with a higher efficiency than those used today and include advanced concepts where energy conversion may appear to be over unity. This means that a greater output of energy from a system compared to the energy input. NEW ENERGY TOPICS Space power generators, "over-unity" and "free-energy" machines, Scalar wave theory, magnetic motors, vortex mechanics, cold fusion, electrostatic generators, nuclear isotopes, hydrogen, motional magnetic fields, zero point energy, N-Machines, homopolar generators, transmutation of elements, anti-gravity devices, and environmentally friendly energy sources. PURPOSE The purpose of the International Symposium on New Energy (ISNE) is to bring together outstanding New Energy researchers and their hardware, who will share and discuss their latest research findings. The goals of the Symposium are to stimulate new research ideas, coalesce researchers with industry, and to find funding sources. [Taken from the IANS Newsletter Flyer received January 22, 1996]