From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 03:30:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24188; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:30:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:30:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:29:02 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Cc: rmuha@minimal.com, bpaddock@csonline.net, w9sz@prairienet.org, mules@palacenet.net In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XdoRP1.0.rv5.Rvtgq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ralph Muha wrote: >John Winterflood wrote: >>Some time ago I asked the question of the freenrg group of "what >>are scalar waves". Since no one replied I can only assume :- >>1) No one really knows so no one can say anything worth saying. >>2) Everybody knows so I should just lurk a bit longer and pick it up. >>3) No one can be bothered to try to specify the phenomenon. > >All of the above... ;-) OK, and I'm beginning to understand how that can be! Ralph Muha wrote: >>... I can only guess that they are time variations in the >>standard scalar potential (usually called phi) that goes with the >>vector potential "A" commonly used as the solution to Maxwell's >>equations. > >what about time variations in the A field itself? Well I wouldn't have thought they should be called "scalar" since everything to do with the A-field is "vector". Besides time variations in the A-field is the standard stuff that makes transformers etc work (ie magnetic induction B-field being the curl of the A-field). No mysteries there AFAIK. Bob Paddock wrote: >>If the standard scalar potential is what is being talked about, I >>thought that it was all but undetectable and unmeasurable. I seem >>to recall that there is a variant Ahranhov-Bohm experiment that is >>supposed to be able to detect it differentially by electron wave- >>function interference but as far as I know it has never been done? > >The experiment has been done with positive results. See >"Quantum Interference and the Aharonov-Bohm Effect" by >Yoseph Imry and Richard A. Webb in Scientific American April >1989. I am quite familiar with this experiment but it was not the one I was thinking of. This one detects the A-field around a very fine solenoid by passing electrons each side of it and interfering them on the far side - ie it is a differential A-field detector. The one I was thinking of is one where electrons are passed through a thin tube which has its electrostatic potential changed while the electron is in the tube (Faraday shield) and then restored just before the electron exits and in the process has altered the electrons wavefunction by the integral of the time spent in the tube times the electrostatic potential it was changed to. This type of experiment allows the "scalar" potential (phi) to essentially be compared to a reference (rather than the A-field as in the experiment mentioned). AFAIK no experiments of this nature have been done. Ralph Muha wrote: >You should read about Shannon's Barkhausen effect detector, > (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/bark.html) >his scalar electrostatic gradiometer, > (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/grado.html) >and his scalar regen receiver. > (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/regen.txt). >And while you're at it, read every other file with the word >'scalar' in the description... Yes I have had a pretty good look through these things but I can find no theory as to how the scalar potential (phi - or whatever else it is that we are talking about) can affect a permanent magnet or a dielectric material. AFAIK the scalar potential phi is not supposed to be measurable - any experiment you do inside a Faraday cage cannot determine whether the cage is at ground potential or 10megavolts. If this potential is changing with time then presumably the second A-B type experiment should be able to detect this somehow. AFAIK no capacitive / magnetic effects should be observable but I don't really know for sure. I notice that Bob writes in "Notes on Scalar Detector Design" "..Sensitivity - Because no accepted standard units exist ...". If he is saying that we don't even know what units of measurement to use to measure scalar intensity then it is really rather sad. It truly means we don't know what we are talking about (the standard scalar potential "phi" would be measured in volts I think, whereas the vector potential "A" has more to do with amps). If on the other hand he means that there are no standard assembled devices to do comparisons with - then that is not so bad. Bob Paddock wrote: >... [The often cited Wittker Potentials (See my web site for .PDF >files) by T.E.Bearden]. I haven't held a lot of respect for Mr Bearden (mostly because he rubbishes everyone else but doesn't seem to be able to build anything that works himself), but maybe I'll get time to look through his stuff again. I have a great deal of respect for Whittaker however - I love his volumes on historical theories of the aether. But I have never been able to get hold of the paper of his that is referenced - it is too ancient to be found in most libraries. Bob Paddock wrote: >In the book "Einstein Doesn't Work Here Any More" they show a >conceptional picture of a Dynamic Aether. The Transverse Vector >Waves of Hertz 'wave' up and down, like a sine wave, in this >Aether. Where a Scalar 'Wave' rarefies (stretches) and >compresses the Aether End-To-End as if it was in a vice, like >sound does to the air. OK, this I understand. Unfortunately these longitudinal waves don't exist if Maxwells equations are correct and complete and thus there is no theory to work with here. I am aware that Tesla contended that E-M radiation was longitudinal for a long while, but I think he changed his mind eventually. Not sure about that though. Zack Widup writes: >I feel I have a good understanding of what scalar waves are. Come on then Zack - have a go at describing them! If nothing else the effort of trying to explain what you know to others can teach you quite a lot. Jack Demule writes: >...My meager understanding of the nature of scalar waves, >doesn't explain how the combination of magnets and wire >would work... I don't believe that it generate scalar >waves... I'd really appreciate a description from you Jack! Thanks very much for the time and effort you put in to answer my query Bob and Ralph. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 05:23:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29622; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 05:22:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 05:22:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:18:55 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"BjYCr.0.kE7.vXvgq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I might be a bit dim, but I have always wondered why physicists say an EM wave travels transversally but still draw a longitudinal wave whenever somone asks for a graphic representation. On the other hand, Tesla treated scalars like transversal waves in some of the calculations on his magnifying amplifier. Then again, Old Nik didn't care to know much about theory, being interested in useful results. But ever since scalars became trendy, everyone seems to be concerned with their exact nature rather than their practical application. Isn't it rather academic to investigate scalars' exact nature as long as even the elite of established science is unable to do the same for *their* EM waves? Anyway, here's my own very basic, very simple idea ... IMO scalars are not a seperate phenomenon altogether, but simply a state. In matter, we have superconductive, solid, liquid, gas and plasma states, so the same might be the fact with fields/energy/whatever. As matter can be turned to energy and vice versa, it would be only logical if both would offer the same amount of adaptibility. The concept of splitting energy into different phenomena is about as helfpful for the understanding of interaction as the current viewpoint on the atom, where the invention of distinct (sub)particles has also deepended the enigma instead of solving it. I've just recently met German physicist Professor Konstantin Meyl, who puplished a theory based on Kelvin's idea that fields are tiny vortices. While some of his findings are a bit far-fetched in my opinion, he has successfully extended Maxwell's equations to integrate a scalar state of the EM field. This seems to be a step in the right direction, because it was the integration of Hertzian waves into Maxwell's equations that effectively doomed Teslas claims of faster-than-light radio waves and Kelvin's vortex model, which was deeloped to unite Tesla's and Hertz' findings. In Meyl's model, all fields are represented by the same vortex, which is able to act as all known fields (ie. gravity, weak interaction, EM, scalars) by changing its state. In his opinion, the scalar is the dynamic form of the electrostatic potential. As a particle, it takes the form of a neutrino. While I'm not a hardboiled follower of Meyl's ideas, I do appreciate his theoretical approach, as it is in fact much more comprehensive than Bearden's or Heim's or - godforbid - Seike's. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 08:01:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07522; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:59:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:59:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:58:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801011558.JAA22359@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Fusor Video To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3sWJ1.0.Rr1.Drxgq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: 1/1/98 Happy New Year All, I have previously posted on this list as to the rediscovery of an old device -- The Farnsworth Hirsch Multipactor Fusor -- and its ability to to perform table top cold fusion. Admittedly there is debate whether it is cold or hot fusion, but this is definitional. Many detractors demanded video proof. Imagine that! Well now the first video exists and is available to all except Rick M. %^} Thd video is two hours long and is the first of an intended series. The first video is divided into three segments and covers the fusor's history, physics and construction. The price is $25 to one and all, even Rick M. Is the fusor O/U? Not on your life in its current iteration. Is it capabable of fusion and neutron production? You bet. The video is completed and in production now. It will be freely available within the next two weeks. Stay tuned and I will forward more information. This is a no BS deadline and all may hold me to it. Sincerely, the world's greatest O/U wannabe, RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 08:17:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11077; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:16:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 08:16:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34ABCD08.6623@aeneas.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:06:16 -0600 From: Mark Mansfield Reply-To: mmans@aeneas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Appliance Electrical Requirements References: <01BD15E9.91F8B200.reed@zenergy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pfdiu3.0.-i2.C5ygq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Reed and all, Sorry for the misinformation. I gathered that impression from Don and should have researched into it further for myself. I apologize for any wrong conclusions that may have been drawn. It's good to hear you are still working toward getting the unit functional and marketable. Best of luck in the future! Happy New Year, Mark Reed Huish wrote: > The patent on Win Lambertson's device has never been an issue to > determine whether to market. We funded two engineering tests on his From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 09:05:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18449; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:03:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <27fb3046.34abc871@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 11:46:39 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: First draft on roll away SMOT Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_883673199_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"n5Elw2.0.AW4.enygq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_883673199_boundary Content-ID: <0_883673199@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To all: Happy New Year! Will send details on measurement of parts and type materials tomorrow. 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I have had them from the start! Message-ID: <19980101.134318.6486.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,15-16,21-22,25-30 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"k1v3T2.0.C01.tJ-gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:24:01 EST HLafonte writes: >Hi all, > I just got to thinking about something. I haven't followed the SMOT >project >very close, but I got roll aways with my layout (about 2 degrees up >slope) >when Greg first brought it on line. Is this very important? >Thanks, >Butch > IT IS VITAL. (How's that for a direct answer!). A roll away is proof for me for overunity. So far I got the ball to roll uphill, in a plastic pipe, but no roll away (Have not built a rigid frame yet, just shimmed on a stack of coins). An earlier post discussed a rotary smot. I have considered a possible design, where the ball is replaced with a electromagnet, and is turned off when it enters the last part of the array so it can "break free" (My paper design had two arrays and 3 electromagnets per array). On my sketch I named it a "smotor" (I know, bad pun). I don't think it would be "overunity", but I have also an idea for a regeneration circuit to capture back emf of the turned-off coil and dump it back to the coils still on. There may yet be something to this smot business! Steve Heckman > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 10:50:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04136; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:51:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Calling Stefan Hartmann, Greg Watson phone call.. Message-ID: <19980101.134318.6486.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <19971230003624.8632.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-12,15-16,19-20,22-40,42-46 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"_2Qle3.0.X01.vJ-gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:36:24 -0800 (PST) mr mojo writes: >More of my mindless ramblings.. > >Lets look at the Buggy Whip companies in the early century... where >are they all now... They either adapted or they went on and did other >things.. > >I agree, if a working device ever does show up, it will cause massive >problems, but I do think that the down side is smaller than the >upside. A heck lot less pollution, etc.. > Wall Street will take the first hit. But many Middle Eastern Gov'ts will loose income that they spend on Arms. Our own Gov't takes much revenue from energy taxes, though that will be quickly shifted to new sources. Industry will adapt. We NOW can sell excess power directly to the power co., personally I think that It will simply hasten the deregulation of the power industry, and create new industries (ie, electric vehicles). Change always happens, as we can NOT continue to do things as we have been in the past. > > >---"Frank C. Earl" wrote: >> >> > He told me, that he does not want to hurt the current power >companies >> > and thus to put many people out of work and so his new company >deceided >> > to build a "remote area power generator" for 3rd world >applications, >> > there where poor people are off the grid anyway and needed power >to >> > cook lunch and heat their homes. >> >> Um, do any of you all realize how silly that is? Not the delivery >> of 1kW units to third world countries, the concern for the power >> companies. I can assure you that the following things will happen: > I lived in the Phillippines for three years- one thing that they didn't believe in was patents and copywrites! Just my two cents worth. Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 12:32:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22711; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:30:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:30:41 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <43389df2.34abfb32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:23:12 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"EbGbU3.0.hY5.lp_gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: J. Heinzerling wrote: :I might be a bit dim, but I have always wondered why physicists say an :EM wave travels transversally but still draw a longitudinal wave :whenever somone asks for a graphic representation. Probably because most of us visualize in three (or less) dimensions,and the math insists the phenomenon itself needs more; project it down to something we can see on a blackboard, and a lot is lost in translation. Actually, the standard diagram you mention always looked to me like a cross between a transverse wave and a logitudinal wave, but the longitudinal part is described as the Poynting vector; all compression and no rarefaction, though. : Isn't it rather academic :to investigate scalars' exact nature as long as even the elite of :established science is unable to do the same for *their* EM waves? The standard model has lots of bugs, no argument there. But you can build reliable transmit/receive antennas (in many configurations) for vector waves the first time around based on Maxwell's equations. A coherent (no pun intended) theory of scalars would help a lot. Yes, the standard EM theory followed experiment, and a lot of cut-and-try was needed, but that was then. We should be able to do better by now. Anybody out there know for sure how to build a works-first-time scalar antenna? I also realize that reliance on vector tech as a basis for scalar theory tends to limit thinking; but an open-minded, intuitive math type ought to be able to see past those limits, and get from math to metal. (Easy for me to say; wish I could do it) Very interesting, nonetheless. But, does it lead to hardware? :While I'm not a hardboiled follower of Meyl's ideas, I do appreciate his :theoretical approach, as it is in fact much more comprehensive than :Bearden's or Heim's or - godforbid - Seike's. True, but again, where's the metal? I don't want to be seen as a naysayer, but think; we can now see that all vector EM phenomena derive from electrons transferring energy via Maxwell-type fields. Visualize electrons sloshing to and fro in a wire, and you have everything from spark-gap radio to computer tech. We need a new basic paradigm for the very basics of scalar phenomena in order to get anywhere. Anyone on the list knows we've got lots of dots, they just need connecting. Anybody know of a reliably replicable scalar parallel to the spark-gap radio? Maybe we can go from there to start on a complete theory. Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 12:41:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12803; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:39:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:39:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:40:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank C. Earl" X-Sender: fearl@localhost To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fusor Video In-Reply-To: <199801011558.JAA22359@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cA4ce1.0.t73.Dy_gq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > I have previously posted on this list as to the rediscovery of an old > device -- The Farnsworth Hirsch Multipactor Fusor -- and its ability to > to perform table top cold fusion. Admittedly there is debate whether > it is cold or hot fusion, but this is definitional. Will we be seeing something come of this- as in a workable device (I'd like to see "free" energy work and I'll still work for finding if it really exists, but a clean source of energy would be better than what we've got right now and it'd be a boon!) Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a $500 archival fee per copy. E-mail recieved after any reciept of this notice implys acceptance of these terms. A copy of USC 47 may be found online at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 13:00:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14733; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:58:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:17:25 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> Lines: 5 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_G3F3.0.5c3.AE0hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I've just recently met German physicist Professor Konstantin Meyl, who >puplished a theory based on Kelvin's idea that fields are tiny vortices. Where can we find this published theory at? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 13:00:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14837; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:59:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:59:30 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:31:48 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <00/q0UQy8wcT092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Lines: 69 Resent-Message-ID: <"mNyok1.0.dd3.mE0hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >This one detects the A-field around a very fine >solenoid by passing electrons each side of it and interfering >them on the far side - ie it is a differential A-field detector. > >The one I was thinking of is one where electrons are passed through >a thin tube which has its electrostatic potential changed while >the electron is in the tube (Faraday shield) and then restored just >before the electron exits and in the process has altered the >electrons wavefunction by the integral of the time spent in the >tube times the electrostatic potential it was changed to. The S.A. article covers an other experiment that sounds closer, but still doesn't seem exactly like the one you discribe, do you have a citation? Alas it looks like a trip to Interlibrary Loan is in order. "ELECTROSTATIC Aharonov-Bohm effect can be observed by splitting an electron beam and direction it toward two hollow, metallic cylinders that shielded electrons from electric forces. As electrons pass through the cylinders, a scalar potential difference (voltage) is applied between the cylinders. The interference pattern observed on the screen is shifted by an amount directly related to the scalar potential." > This type of experiment allows the "scalar" potential >(phi) to essentially be compared to a reference (rather than >the A-field as in the experiment mentioned). AFAIK no >experiments of this nature have been done. When I see Phi spoke of its usually in terms of Geometry. I do not understand your reference to it in this context? From the Sacred Geometry Design Sourcebook: http://www.intent.com/elysian/sgds.html The actual value of phi (a.k.a. Golden Section, Golden Ratio, Divine Proportion, etc.) is (1 + sqrt(5))/2 or approximately 1.6180339887... or 1.618 is usually close enough for most uses. >I have a great deal of respect for >Whittaker however - I love his volumes on historical theories of >the aether. Can you give a citation please? > But I have never been able to get hold of the paper >of his that is referenced - it is too ancient to be found in most >libraries. Try one of these (I'm moving sites so not sure which one works at any given time): http://www.usachoice.com/bpaddock/scalar/1903.htm http://www.usachoice.com/bpaddock/scalar/1904.htm or -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/scalar/1903.htm http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/scalar/1904.htm Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 14:48:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09511; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:45:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: <34AC1C8D.A7DEAC12@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:15:33 +1030 From: Greg Watson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Update 2nd Jan, 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R02Ig1.0.JK2.Wo1hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Sorry for being off line so long. Seems dual cpu systems are not as easy as I thought to get up. Dmec will have its OWN server. Dmec Research is still not functional yet. As the company will be registered as a NON profit business, it takes longer to get the articles of association right and OZ shuts down for 2-3 weeks over Christmas/New Year. EVERYBODY goes on Hoilday. Its warm you see............ Dmec will continue with the SMOT. Several possible patent infringement problems need to be ironed out. I can't give you a solid ship date for the SMOTs at present. If any purchaser wishes a refund, please post me via private email. Dmec's major research / development thrust will be the development of a remote area 500-1,000 watt RMOG type generator to provide torque & electricity for cooking, heating, water pumping, lighting, water purification, communication and other needs in 3rd world environments. I am currently working on a major change to my site. Will let you all know when its finished. Now to those 3,500 emails. PS: Thanks for all the calls. A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all. Greg From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 18:17:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18047; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:17:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:17:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43389df2.34abfb32@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:15:30 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"4hrO1.0.tP4.Qu4hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 3:23 PM -0500 1/1/98, MFergerson wrote: > We need a new basic paradigm for the very basics of scalar phenomena in >order to get anywhere. Anyone on the list knows we've got lots of dots, they >just need connecting. > > Anybody know of a reliably replicable scalar parallel to the spark-gap >radio? Maybe we can go from there to start on a complete theory. here is a very interesting note posted by Bob Shannon back in July... >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:51:39 -0700 >From: Bob Shannon >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Nickel-Iron Alloys > >Jack DeMule wrote: > >> I've read some of the papers available on the web, and I must confess >> that I'm a bit baffled. I've been employed as a designer of high power >> MWO, power supplies for magnets which are the optics for huge electron >> accelerators, lasers, and high power pulse generators. So I've been >> around the block, but I'm a practical type of person, an engineer, not >> a scientist. Can anyone explain to me, in a general way, what a >> scalar wave is...without resorting to Maxwells equations. Heck, I >> don't care if the model is precise, as long as it provides an intuitive >> grasp of how such waves behave. I dunno...maybe (heh!) I'm dense, but >> try and help me out here. > >Scalar waves apparently are a form of free quantum potentials, much like >the free A field as in the Aharnov-Bohm effect. For a theoretical >discussion of the 'waves' (wrong term actually!) consult the Towards a >New Electromagnetic series by Bearden. > >For a practical introduction, you might look into the Barkhausen Effect >Detector article on Bill's web site. Using the devices shown there, its >fairly easy to send CW messages through many feet of shielding, >including Faraday cages, etc. > >> The scalar wave detectors that use dielectrics as the detection >> device, like the "gravity wave" detector, are subject to many >> well known influences, the piezo electric effect being predominant. >> They make dandy vibration or shock sensors...like a capacitor >> microphone, or accelerometer, of limited bandwidth. The difference >> in thermal expansion coefficients between the case, and the element >> also provides an interesting mechanism for detecting changes in >> temperature. Some caps are humidity sensitive too. I've never seen >> any output from one of these detectors that couldn't be attributed to >> influences _other_ than scalar waves. Many of the designs have no >> electrostatic shielding either...poor, very poor. > >There is a discussion of some of the flaws of this type of detector in >the article on Bill's web page. On the other hand, when the signal from >a detector, however flawed, matched external events we have to ask more >detailed questions. The signals from the Hodowanec style detectors >dwarf those produced by shock, temprature or humidity changes. Quite a >lot of this is apparently artifacts produced within the detector itself >however, as two such detectors show only a small fraction of the signals >match between detectors. > >But the fact remains, some fraction can, and does match. > >> The neon detector is not a well designed detector...anything that >> will alter the ionization of the gases in the bulb will influence >> the "dark effect" response. It's not selective. Microwaves, nuclear >> radiation, visible light that impinges on it while you observe it, >> they all will elicit a response. Maybe if it were incased in a opaque >> material, shielded from radiation, (both EM, and atomic,) and observed >> by a photo-cell? Ach, there must be a better soultion. > >Hold the phone there! The neon detector is electrostatically, >magnetically, and light shielded. Please review this design again. > >> In the area of magnetic detectors there are problems also. I've >> designed some highly sensitive magnetometers, and know that the >> magnetosphere is at times a turbulent place. Still, I think this >> is the most satisfactory approach. A simple magnetometer can be >> made buy building a blocking oscillator, that uses a stack of >> mu-metal or co-netic strips for the core. It's sensitive to >> the external magnetic fields that bias the core, which there by >> alter it's frequency of oscillation. If it were biased, and >> sheilded, after the fashion of Bob's nifty Barkhausen detector, >> you could measure the period of the oscillation, and you'd have >> a sensitive detector...with much less electronics to build. >> I'll post a drawing of such a blocking oscillator, if anyone is >> interested. I think I'd add an oven to Bob's shield, and tight >> voltage regulation too, only passing the oscillator, and raw >> (but clean) power through the shielding enclosure. > >Very similar to my SuperRegenerative detectors. I really need to get >people the schematics for these, there great, and using varactor diodes, >thay can also easily perform spectral analisis. > >> Ok, I'll quit rambling. I just needed a break from a nasty >> control loop problem. I hate cleaning up other people's messes. >> I can barely keep up with my own! >> >> Best Regards, >> JD > >I highly reccomend that you build a few different detectors, such as the >Barkhausen Effect, and also the Neon detectors. Let me know what you >think. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 18:26:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07280; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:26:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:26:36 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:26:09 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"pcm7g2.0.en1.Q15hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 6:29 AM -0500 1/1/98, John Winterflood wrote: >The one I was thinking of is one where electrons are passed through >a thin tube which has its electrostatic potential changed while >the electron is in the tube (Faraday shield) and then restored just >before the electron exits and in the process has altered the >electrons wavefunction by the integral of the time spent in the >tube times the electrostatic potential it was changed to. This >type of experiment allows the "scalar" potential (phi) to >essentially be compared to a reference (rather than the A-field as >in the experiment mentioned). AFAIK no experiments of this nature >have been done. This was posted to the list by Bob Shannon on Mon, 18 Aug 1997... >In the Barkhausen effect detector article, I've outlined detectors that >use magnetic modulation, as well as electrostatic modulation. There are >many more possibilities for detector designs. > >We could construct quantum interfernece detectors, like SQUID's, plasma >based detectors like the Neon detectors people have played with, and >even more exotic detectors appear quite practicqal. > >One of my favorite design concepts is to use the Electrostatic >Aharnov-Bohm effect for a detector. > >This might envolve injecting short pulses, 10 nanoseconds or so, into >very long coaxial cables. Once the pulse has fully entered the cable, >we charge the shield of the cable to a known value as the pulse >propogates along the center conductor. Before the pulse reaches the end >of our cable, we must fully discharge the shield. Its critically >important that the cables electrical lenghts be far greater than the >injected pulse width, and that fast analog switches at each end of the >cable be timed correctly to permit pulse enery and exit, but to keep the >line seperated from the rest of the dectector while the pulses are >propogating. > >Any distortions of the timing (duration & phase) of the pulse after it >exits the cable may show the effects of the electrostatic version of the >Aharnov-Bohm effect. > >In practice, two or more such coaxial cables would each be wound up into >coils, and placed on seperate axies. Relative differences in the >distortions detected on each axis may reveal information about the >internal geometeries of the scalar potentials causing the electrostatic >Aharnov-Bohm effects. > >The hard part is to charge, and discharge the cable shields quickly >enough. As there is a lot of capacitance here, we are goind to dissapte >a great deal of energy here. Fast analog switches are also cirtical for >the coax lines, and fast methods to control the charge on the shield of >the cables. > >Of course, the whole mess needs to be fully EM shielded as well. > >Banks of such cables might be phased such that we at all times have >pulses in propogation and analisis, for constant operation. (we only >know the effect of the pulse propogating after it exits the cable, so >'detection' is not constant, we only get samples at a rate that is a >function of the cable length.) > >Anyway, there are many ways to design scalar detectors! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 19:28:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26313; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:27:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:27:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AC7A32.A89@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:25:06 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: New O/U Device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ul-462.0.vQ6.uw5hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts and Howdy! Got an email from Felix Wurth saying his website was now up...it is mostly in German, but his free energy machine (claims 200% efficiency) is described in English.... main page http://www.zeroenergy.com O/U machine http://www.zeroenergy.com/maschine.htm Electrically driven mechanical system....Felix also indicates it ties in with the Orffyreus wheel operation. I asked if he was planning to do an .AVI or movie clip so we could see it in operation....and if he would be amenable to bringing a working model to the US to demonstrate at one or more conferences, for proof and possible investors....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 20:29:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02614; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:29:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:29:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AC9716.BE7@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:28:22 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: It is the Scalar CD cleaner!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3lhcN1.0.ke.Jq6hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HackEd wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, Tesla wrote: > > > Right! the thing is just a demagneticer for dust so the CD will not catch > > dust as easy as untreat CD, so the sound will be better without the dust to > > distore the laser!!!!!!! > > > > > Finally, someone gets it! Wrong, the binary data read off the CD is unchanged, as in pure snake oil! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 20:43:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04331; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:43:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:43:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AC994F.2C19@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:37:51 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Yikes! $calar CD Cleaner! References: <00a301bd165a$c1015680$861e4dca@tesla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qdEm93.0.U31.u17hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tesla wrote: > > I know, If you know what this device does and how it does the job of Ultra > Clarifying the CD, is not worth the price? But this is a Scalar device as a > matter of fact, useful or not. It is cheaper to buy a CD cleaner with > chemical cleaning agent? You're making a lot of assumptions. First, you're assuming that the device operates by cleaning the CD. Seondly, you accept 'as a matter of fact' that this is a scalar device. Jack Demule wrote: > My meager understanding of the nature of scalar waves, > doesn't explain how the combination of magnets and wire > would work... I don't believe that it generate scalar > waves. I agree with Jack on this one. This device is not a true scalar device in the context of Bearden's terminology. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 20:55:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06784; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:55:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:55:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AC9D4F.1724@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:54:55 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <43389df2.34abfb32@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7BoLb2.0.pf1.BD7hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > Yes, the standard EM theory followed experiment, and a lot of cut-and-try > was needed, but that was then. We should be able to do better by now. Anybody > out there know for sure how to build a works-first-time scalar antenna? Have you built any of the projects on Bill's web page? > Anybody know of a reliably replicable scalar parallel to the spark-gap > radio? Maybe we can go from there to start on a complete theory. > > Mark L. Fergerson Well, there's my answer. Build the projects on Bill's web page for starters. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 22:38:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05080; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:38:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:38:01 -0800 Message-ID: <34ACA6FC.4AED@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 00:36:12 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Weight Loss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ocHZ12.0.7F1.7j8hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts & Howdy! Some of you might want to check out the attached site...here is part of what is on the page; Mach's Principle attempts to connect inertia with gravitation by suggesting that inertial mass comes from the long-range gravitational forces on a massive object from all the other masses in the universe (so that in an empty universe there would be no inertia). Mach said that inertial and gravitational mass must be the same because inertia is a gravitational effect. Albert Einstein liked Mach's Principle and used its implications to formulate his famous Equivalence Principle, a cornerstone of general relativity, which asserts that gravitational and inertial mass are indistinguishable. In a small isolated room it would be impossible, according to the Equivalence Principle, to tell from local measurements whether the room was on the surface of the Earth in a 1 g gravitational field or in a rocket ship accelerating at 1 g through gravity-free space. The Equivalence Principle is now generally accepted in physics, but its underlying basis in Mach's Principle has never been properly understood or tested until now. Woodward may have accomplished this. He has formulated a nonlocal mathematical theory embodying Mach's Principle. Woodward's theory can be tested because it predicts a remarkable effect: if the mass-energy density of a system is made to change with time, the mass of the system should vary by an amount that is proportional to the second time derivative of the density change. For example, if a capacitor is charged positively and negatively by a voltage that varies as a 10 kHz sine wave and delivers a power of 100 watts to the capacitor, Woodward predicts that the mass of the capacitor should vary from its normal mass by about &plusmi;30 milligrams at a frequency of 20 kHz. ------------------------------ Woodward actually tested this and got a positive result, though very, very weak. Tha file also talks about the Dean Drive and the Tampere experiment. Full document at; http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw83.html Seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 22:41:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25125; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:40:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:40:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:39:40 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zGmcF1.0.U86.ql8hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: >... I have always wondered why physicists say an >EM wave travels transversally but still draw a longitudinal wave >whenever somone asks for a graphic representation. ... I don't think they do, all the graphic representations I have noticed have been transverse - like a stretched string waving sinusoidally. This is transverse - the amplitude (across the string) is at right angles to the direction of propagation (along the string). What is more is that there are two polarisations - ie across the string left<->right and across the string up<->down. In longitudinal waves the amplitude is in the same direction as the propagation - like a slinky spring being stretched out and then the amount of stretch being changed quickly. The motion is in line with the length of the spring and in line with the propagation of the wave. There is only one polarisation for this type of wave. E-M radiation has two polarisations - thus it is a transverse wave. Physicists believe that longditudinal electric/magnetic waves of this type can not exist (except in media with free charges - like plasmas) because Maxwell's equations do not allow them. >...Isn't it rather academic >to investigate scalars' exact nature as long as even the elite of >established science is unable to do the same for *their* EM waves? I think established science has investigated EM waves rather thoroughly - to suggest otherwise is to be ignorant of the facts. >...In Meyl's model, all fields are represented by the same >vortex, which is able to act as all known fields (ie. gravity, weak >interaction, EM, scalars) by changing its state. In his opinion, the >scalar is the dynamic form of the electrostatic potential. As a >particle, it takes the form of a neutrino. Sounds interesting - got a reference? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 23:39:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00674; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:38:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801011558.JAA22359@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:38:09 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Fusor Video Resent-Message-ID: <"522bo1.0.RA.4c9hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: RWW wrote: > I have previously posted on this list as to the > rediscovery of an old device -- The > Farnsworth Hirsch Multipactor Fusor -- and > its ability to to perform table top cold fusion. Is there any thought on a promising way to go or any experimental progress on getting around the problem of losing energy when particles hit the plates? And what about Penning traps? A few universities are playing with them to see if there's anything that can be done to keep the energy up. Is the FHMF better because it's purely electrostatic and doesn't have two dimensions of magnetic confinement like the P-traps? > The price is $25 to one and all, even Rick M. I'll wait 'till I catch it at my local Blockbuster, thanks all the same. %^} - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 23:48:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13668; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:48:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:48:03 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:48:23 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"_XARP.0.LL3.nk9hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: > In his opinion [German physicist Professor Konstantin Meyl], > the scalar is the dynamic form > of the electrostatic potential. My opinion too, though I'm not making any claim to know that for sure. Just a compelling hunch. Problem is, that's so damn simple, it's trivial; I think most people just blow past it on the way for something far more satisfying in its complexity. Could that really be all there is to it? Anybody know if there is there anything that would rule this out as the explanation? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 1 23:50:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02046; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:50:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:50:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:49:02 +0800 To: bpaddock@csonline.net From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <00/q0UQy8wcT092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xwId41.0.sV.um9hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: >>The one I was thinking of is one where electrons are passed through >>a thin tube which has its electrostatic potential changed while >>the electron is in the tube (Faraday shield) and then restored just >>before the electron exits and in the process has altered the >>electrons wavefunction by the integral of the time spent in the >>tube times the electrostatic potential it was changed to. > >The S.A. article covers an other experiment that sounds >closer, but still doesn't seem exactly like the one you >discribe, ... No wonder it doesn't sound exactly right - I mostly made it up from a very faint memory and knowing what the equation was. But it is exactly the experiment I intended :- >"ELECTROSTATIC Aharonov-Bohm effect can be observed by >splitting an electron beam and direction it toward two >hollow, metallic cylinders that shielded electrons from >electric forces. As electrons pass through the cylinders, a >scalar potential difference (voltage) is applied between the >cylinders. The interference pattern observed on the screen >is shifted by an amount directly related to the scalar >potential." So are you saying that this experiment has been done? If our library was not shut over the Christmas - New Year break I would have had a copy of this paper by now and been able to read all about it. >When I see Phi spoke of its usually in terms of Geometry. I >do not understand your reference to it in this context? Phi is used for quite a few things and it is usually used for the scalar potential as far as I know and goes hand in hand with the "A" vector potential. I was looking at an introductory electromagnetics book recently and it used the letter "V" instead of "phi" - which makes sense since "phi" is measured in volts anyway. But I think "phi" is the more common. I won't attempt to describe the scalar and vector potentials here if you are not very familiar with them - much better to get an introductory book on EM and read it again. Briefly though the fields that we can measure are the E (electrostatic - measured in volts/metre) and B (magnetic). These are both differential type fields. The electrostatic one E is easier to understand. It can be understood as the gradient of a scalar potential field - called the scalar potential and usually given the greek letter "phi" and is measured in volts. Thus the gradient gives you volts/metre and this is the E field that causes electrons to accelerate etc, as they go down (or up) the voltage gradient. Any combination of E and B fields, can be seen instead as a combination of scalar potential phi (which yields the same E) and vector potential A (which yields the same B). So you should either think in terms of E and B fields (which is tough both being vector fields) OR in terms of phi and A (which is much easier in my opinion since phi at least is only a scalar field and "A" is pointing pretty much the same way as the nearby current flow is going). The shear (or curl to be more exact) in the A field gives the magnetic B field and the gradient in the phi field gives the electrostatic E field. Both are quite easy to imagine with some practice. >>I have a great deal of respect for >>Whittaker however - I love his volumes on historical theories of >>the aether. > >Can you give a citation please? Sure from our library database :- AUTHOR Whittaker, Edmund. TITLE A History of the theories of aether and electricity / Sir Edmund Whittaker. EDITION rev. and enl. ed. PUBLISHED London : Thomas Nelson and Sons, 1951-1953. CONTENTS The classical theories. DESCRIPTION 2 v. It comes in two volumes at our library. The first volume covering Maxwell's days is probably of more interest than the second volume if I remember rightly. >> But I have never been able to get hold of the paper >>of his that is referenced - it is too ancient to be found in most >>libraries. > >Try one of these (I'm moving sites so not sure which one >works at any given time): > >http://www.usachoice.com/bpaddock/scalar/1903.htm >http://www.usachoice.com/bpaddock/scalar/1904.htm Yeah, those are the ones! I have had a very quick look at them now but will have to print them out and read them through thoroughly. (Maybe I will be able to understand what Mr Bearden carries on about at long last!) Thanks a lot to whoever was responsible in getting those papers into the modern media! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 00:26:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04047; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:24:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:24:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980102162326.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:23:26 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: References: <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"A71_H2.0.7_.7HAhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: >Juergen Heinzerling wrote: > > > In his opinion [German physicist Professor Konstantin Meyl], > > the scalar is the dynamic form > > of the electrostatic potential. > >My opinion too, though I'm not making any claim to know that for sure. Just >a compelling hunch. Problem is, that's so damn simple, it's trivial; I >think most people just blow past it on the way for something far more >satisfying in its complexity. Could that really be all there is to it? >Anybody know if there is there anything that would rule this out as the >explanation? The problem is that the only way to make the electrostatic potential change is to shove a bit more charge into the volume. Since charge is conserved, this means that we have to transport it in from elsewhere. This act of transporting it in is a current and produces the standard E-M waves and doesn't produce any "scalar waves" according to Maxwell. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 00:39:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05385; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:39:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:39:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980102163756.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:37:56 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ili2e3.0.1K1.kUAhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ralph Muha wrote: >At 6:29 AM -0500 1/1/98, John Winterflood wrote: >>The one I was thinking of is one where electrons are passed through >>a thin tube which has its electrostatic potential changed while >>the electron is in the tube (Faraday shield) and then restored just >>before the electron exits and in the process has altered the >>electrons wavefunction by the integral of the time spent in the >>tube times the electrostatic potential it was changed to. This >>type of experiment allows the "scalar" potential (phi) to >>essentially be compared to a reference ... > >This was posted to the list by Bob Shannon on Mon, 18 Aug 1997... > >> >> >>One of my favorite design concepts is to use the Electrostatic >>Aharnov-Bohm effect for a detector. >> >>This might envolve injecting short pulses, 10 nanoseconds or so, into >>very long coaxial cables. Once the pulse has fully entered the cable, >>we charge the shield of the cable to a known value as the pulse >>propogates along the center conductor. Before the pulse reaches the end >>of our cable, we must fully discharge the shield.... An interesting experiment is described. I am not so sure that it corresponds very well to the A-B experiment of interfering freely moving electron wavefunctions in a vacuum unfortunately. Still it would be interesting (and not so difficult as the A-B experiment) to try. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 00:40:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05526; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:39:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43389df2.34abfb32@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:39:20 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"inhL03.0.BM1.QVAhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mark Fergerson wrote: > Anybody know of a reliably replicable scalar > parallel to the spark-gap radio? Unless someone can come up with a good conventional reason why an ordinary capacitor on the surface of the rotating Earth should show a sharp rise in self-charging rate while the galactic center passes through the N-S meridian, and a smaller peak again when the outer arm passes over 12 hours later, then I'd be inclined to say there's your scalar "spark gap radio". I've had three 4700uF caps in a grounded steel tool box for a few runs during the last week or so, checking the voltage with a cheap Radio Shack voltmeter across a 10meg resistor and logging the results in Excel. I graph the rate of change between reads which are around a half hour to an hour apart, and compare the curves with a graphical astronomy program (Starry Night). It's absolutely fascinating, and I have no idea what's going on. Right now, the sun's sitting in the Milky Way for a while, so that tends to blend two potential sources together. But with the moon split off just to the side of the galaxy a few degrees yesterday, I could see a secondary peak rise up around the time it passed the meridian too. The day before it was just a bulge on the shoulder of the main noonish peak. It's not temperature, it's not EM from radio stations, etc. It's weirdness. (I rather like weirdness, so I've been quite amused by this). I got the Hodowanec file at: http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/grav3.asc Thanks Ralph. It's rather convincing to me at the moment due to my recent experience with these caps. I don't think I would be considering it that way if I hadn't seen first hand what appears to be a strong correlation to celestial objects. Reserving judgement though on the Martian connection until better photos of Cydonia come in. I'll build an op-amp Hodowanec detector next, and continue with the multi-cap multi-direction strategy. I know - it CAN'T be that simple, but something's there. And it's not a subtle reaction, either. Biology must be affected by it in some way. Any ideas? Ralph, are you still doing or are interested in continuing these experiments? BTW, if that self charge phenomena isn't freenrg, then I don't know what is. Too bad it's like pico-amps or something. We're completely awash in it, whatever it is. Desktop radio-astronomy anyone? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 02:18:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10967; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:17:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980102162326.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> References: <34AB97BF.7713@t-online.de> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:17:21 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"Zm_nh3.0.Gh2.HxBhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John - > The problem is that the only way to make the > electrostatic potential change is to shove a bit > more charge into the volume. Since charge is > conserved, this means that we have to > transport it in from elsewhere. This act of > transporting it in is a current and produces > the standard E-M waves and doesn't produce > any "scalar waves" according to Maxwell. Yup. Those TEM waves seem to dominate our attention, overwhelm our detectors, and drive our engineering. There's no way to "change" a given charge (it's conserved). But perhaps moving it around in the right way creates more of the effect we want. A tesla coil seems to come closest to that ideal, doesn't it? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 02:38:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11757; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:38:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:38:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34ACB8FF.10BA@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:53:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"-ql7l2.0.Yt2.9EChq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Juergen Heinzerling wrote: > > > In his opinion [German physicist Professor Konstantin Meyl], > > the scalar is the dynamic form > > of the electrostatic potential. > > My opinion too, though I'm not making any claim to know that for sure. Just > a compelling hunch. Problem is, that's so damn simple, it's trivial; I > think most people just blow past it on the way for something far more > satisfying in its complexity. Could that really be all there is to it? > Anybody know if there is there anything that would rule this out as the > explanation? My opinion exactly, Rick. Tesla described *his* scalar waves as something that behaved much like pulsing fields using ordinary (but weak) EM waves as a form of carrier. This could very well describe a dynamic variation of the electristatic potential- is it possible that this might be the phenomenon which is identical with the interaction we call energy/power/whatever, while the EM wave is in fact only a form of carrier? In my book, I've mused if Tesla, in his Col. Springs experiment, built up an EM standing wave *and then* produced a *something* that used this standingwave as a carrier. I tried to make sense of this by doing a number of simple arithmetic calculations. Now interestingly, it turned out that his calculations for the magnifying transmitter do indeed make sense - *if* you use the present geophysical model of the Earth, which was unknown at the time. AFAIK, Tesla was not even aware of the fact that he had detected this - he just used it as a means of proof for his experiments. I don't say this is proof of anything but the fact that Tesla's magnifying transmitter worked as he claimed. The maths behind it are stupidly simple. I don't know if I was the first to find this relation, but if there's an interest in this list, I would forward a short, translated excert of the chapter. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 02:38:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11796; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:38:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:38:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34ACB27F.27FB@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:25:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"8YBA12.0.9u2.HEChq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3065 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Winterflood wrote: > > Juergen Heinzerling wrote: > >... I have always wondered why physicists say an > >EM wave travels transversally but still draw a longitudinal wave > >whenever somone asks for a graphic representation. ... > > I don't think they do, all the graphic representations I have > noticed have been transverse - like a stretched string waving > sinusoidally. Pardon me, John: this is exactly the model used for describing acoustic wave propagation in a gaseous medium - ie. longitudinal waves. So, ahem, what is what in physics? Also, acoustic waves travel transversally in solid matter and fluids - clearly outlining that the form of propagation is depending on the medium rather than the nature of the phenomenon. If the same is true of EM waves, they should behave differently when travelling through cables or semi-conductors. If this is not the case, this would probably indicate that EM waves use their own distinct medium, which could only be described as the ether? Also, modelling a wave as a steady sine function does not account for divergence, so it is in fact not a very good representation of the actual physical behaviour. It is said that amplitude decreases following the inverse square law, but this is true only for waves that travel omnidirectionally, which isn't true for EM and also can't be modelled by a two-dimensional representation. An expanding vortex is certainly more elegant and comprehensive here. > This is transverse - the amplitude (across the > string) is at right angles to the direction of propagation > (along the string). What is more is that there are two > polarisations - ie across the string left<->right and across > the string up<->down. Yes, but you forgot ;-) to mention there is also left-hand or right-hand circular polarisation, and we have a hard time to outline this with the sinusiodal model. Most textbooks on microwave propagation won't even explain how this all goes together, while a few (like Owen Bishop's Babani booklet) use a vortex, which is much more comprehensive in this case. > > In longitudinal waves the amplitude is in the same direction > as the propagation - like a slinky spring being stretched out > and then the amount of stretch being changed quickly. Okay, but what about divergence? > > >...In Meyl's model, all fields are represented by the same > >vortex, which is able to act as all known fields (ie. gravity, weak > >interaction, EM, scalars) by changing its state. In his opinion, the > >scalar is the dynamic form of the electrostatic potential. As a > >particle, it takes the form of a neutrino. > > Sounds interesting - got a reference? It has only been published in German so far - but I will ask Meyl if there is an English summary. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 02:38:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11834; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:38:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:38:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34ACBAE1.A2A@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:01:05 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <43389df2.34abfb32@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"M-Se53.0.pu2.SEChq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3066 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > > > Probably because most of us visualize in three (or less) dimensions,and the > math insists the phenomenon itself needs more; project it down to something we > can see on a blackboard, and a lot is lost in translation. > > Actually, the standard diagram you mention always looked to me like a cross > between a transverse wave and a logitudinal wave, but the longitudinal part is > described as the Poynting vector; all compression and no rarefaction, though. This might in fact account for my difficulty in understanding this all;-). > > Very interesting, nonetheless. But, does it lead to hardware? Before the audience in Zurich on Dec. 6, Meyl claimed he has it, as he did several times when I discussed this with him. In the end, it turned out that he meant he had an *indirect* method of measuring scalars. Oh, he is a trickster much like anybody else ;-)... However, Meyl is a theoretic, so this doesn't say anything. From his writings, a capacitor (in a Faraday cage) would make a good scalar detector - which is not new, really. As a matter of fact, anything dielectric should be able to *catch* scalars and turn them into measurable voltage fluctuations. So Hodowanec and T.T.Brown might have been working in the right direction. -- _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 03:24:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14531; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:24:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:24:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:22:51 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: <34ACB27F.27FB@t-online.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AFttV3.0.yY3.KvChq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: >John Winterflood wrote: >> ... all the graphic representations I have >> noticed have been transverse - like a stretched string waving >> sinusoidally. > >Pardon me, John: this is exactly the model used for describing acoustic >wave propagation in a gaseous medium - ie. longitudinal waves. So, ahem, >what is what in physics? If you are plotting a wave as a "thing" on x-y axes, then you must look at what the y-axis represents. For acoustic waves in fluids, the y-axis (which appears to wave up and down on the paper) actually represents "compression and rarefaction", or alternatively "motion in the direction of propagation". It does not represent transverse motion. The special thing that makes a fluid different from a solid is that it will not support a static shear stress - ie if you try to move a surface of it, parallel to that surface, then the next layers in contact with this moving surface is not constrained to follow it in time (unlike with a solid). This shearing motion is the essence of transverse waves and that is why a fluid will not propagate them. (Viscosity may allow them to be propagated for a short distance but air doesn't have much viscosity). >Also, acoustic waves travel transversally in >solid matter ... Sure - solids support shear waves - tranverse waves - but fluids do not. Fluids only support compressional waves. >and fluids - clearly outlining that the form of propagation >is depending on the medium rather than the nature of the phenomenon. If >the same is true of EM waves, they should behave differently when >travelling through cables or semi-conductors. If this is not the case, >this would probably indicate that EM waves use their own distinct >medium, which could only be described as the ether? E-M waves can be seen as shear waves in an incompressible or infinitely compressible medium. This was discussed at length in Maxwells day. They couldn't make up their minds as to whether the aether was incompressible or infinitely compressible. But regardless of which it was - experimentally it did not seem to support longitudinal waves. >Also, modelling a wave as a steady sine function does not account for >divergence, so it is in fact not a very good representation of the >actual physical behaviour. It is said that amplitude decreases following >the inverse square law, but this is true only for waves that travel >omnidirectionally, which isn't true for EM and also can't be modelled by >a two-dimensional representation. An expanding vortex is certainly more >elegant and comprehensive here. > >> This is transverse - the amplitude (across the >> string) is at right angles to the direction of propagation >> (along the string). What is more is that there are two >> polarisations - ie across the string left<->right and across >> the string up<->down. > >Yes, but you forgot ;-) to mention there is also left-hand or right-hand >circular polarisation, Well you only have two degrees of freedom and it doesn't matter which orthogonal axes you choose to decompose it into. You can choose linear polarisation in orthogonal axes, or circular polarisation (left & right rotation which includes a component of time in the dimensional axes), or some choice of elliptical polarisation (which is somewhere in between). But whichever pair you choose to use you only have two. A bit like specifying a point using vertical & horizontal x-y axes. You could use diagonal axes instead if you wish but you still only have two degrees of freedom and only two numbers are required to specify the location of the point. And it is easy to convert between the two different representations. >> In longitudinal waves the amplitude is in the same direction >> as the propagation - like a slinky spring being stretched out >> and then the amount of stretch being changed quickly. > >Okay, but what about divergence? I'm not sure what you mean by divergence. If you mean that it goes around a corner - then fine; The displacement amplitude simply has to go in an arc and it is still in the same direction as the propagation. Wrap your slinky around a slippery cylinder and see if compressional waves won't go around corners. No transverse motion there - the cylinder prevents it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 04:31:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08047; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:26 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:09:07 -0500 Subject: Re: What ARE Scalars? was: "Scalar" Detectors Message-ID: <19980102.072553.6486.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"w9Bam.0.Uz1.TuDhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:55:17 -1000 Rick Monteverde >Like the old pyramid razor-blade sharpener? Oh Nooooo! Not Pyramid CD Enhancers! Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 04:31:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08131; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:38 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Appliance Electrical Requirements Message-ID: <19980102.072553.6486.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19,23-24,31-34 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"B675E1.0.o-1.cuDhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:49:30 -0800 Jerry writes: >Hi Frank! > >Frank Earl wrote; >> I had no idea what would and wouldn't work in the 1kW range. It's >> quite surprising to see that things like 1/2 inch drills fall under >> that category. 5-10kW would be the largest that someone would need. >> If they used things like those tabletop convection ovens and >> microwave ovens, they'd need a lot less (On the order of 1-2kW per >> device.) > >I was surprised also, I think that is not a steady state load but >dependent on the motor being under load, kind of like averaging the >surges to something approaching 1KW for a drill motor. consideration. > >Puthoff has it down, just that 1 watt breakthrough and all hell will >break loose...seeya! If we do find a o/u or free energy, a simple storage battery setup will store the energy all day for surge power users such as stoves or motors. This is the basic concept in the thousands of Solor Power Installations (also wind power). BTW: Both Solor and wind-based power installations ARE FREE ENERGY!!!! I could add water, but it is too location dependant. Solor based free energy is here, as I balanced my checkbook with a solor-based calculator. The ONLY reason that I am here is that a decent solor installation costs, at $7-8 per Watt (US), making a 2KW installation $14,000. Cost info from Dec/Jan issue of Mother Earth News, and was for new equipment. An older issue of Home Power had used PV Cells in the 100's range. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 04:31:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08082; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:31 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:51:35 -0500 Subject: Re: "Bifilar Waveguide" and PAGD Message-ID: <19980102.072553.6486.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BD1446.716A4CA0@ts002d09.mer-id.concentric.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-9 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"E_tyN2.0.9-1.XuDhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:52:31 -0800 tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) writes: but they also say that >they spent considerable time investigating the VACOR tubes of the odd >Dr. Riech of orgone fame which they say is not the PAGD effect. > Anyone have some data on the VACOR tubes. Read up on Riech in the past, about his accumulator, cloudbuster, and such. Odd but interesting! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 04:31:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08112; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:35 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:23:13 -0500 Subject: Re: What ARE Scalars? was: "Scalar" Detectors Message-ID: <19980102.072553.6486.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,18-19,21-24 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"nXRuZ2.0.O-1.ZuDhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:18:06 +0000 "Frank C. Earl" writes: > >> I'm not sure where I saw this or if it is true, but there was a device >> made merely of two magnet, a lot of wire, and a good battery that >was supposed to give off scalars. It looked like this: >> _________________ >> / / /| >> / Wi/re //| >> /_________/_______/// ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) >> |_N____________S_|// Scalar Waves >> |_N____________S_|/ >> The device had wires wrapped around it as if making an electromagnet >out of magnets. > He also used a brush-type electric motor to generate "noise". A simple "white" or "pink" noise generator may work better. May be a good experiment to try if you built a scalar detector. Basic construction details are on Bill B's "Not Your Average Construction Project" site Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 04:31:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08066; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:31:28 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:58:13 -0500 Subject: now: Patents Message-ID: <19980102.072553.6486.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-8 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ah_rU3.0.rz1.UuDhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: (Note, this process is patent pending, so do not >>use it for any other purpose except to demonstrate the reality >>of the effect) > I may be wrong, but it is my impression that we can construct any patented device for personal use as the information in the patent is "public domain". Just can't sell them! Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 04:52:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12904; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:52:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:52:47 -0800 Message-ID: <34ADE6E7.72BA@dove.net.au> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:21:11 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Still more on .. Scalar Detectors References: <19980102.072553.6486.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MChpd2.0.Q93.TCEhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I replied privately to another list subscriber, that the "Neon" tube "detector" circuit, was basically similar to a Geiger muller tube - well at least in the method of detection that is. A high voltage supply across the tube ( Neon / G-M ), and a method of detecting when the tube conducts, i.e the take off point. I will be experimenting with straight neons and the G-M tubes that I have in my workshop, to see if there are parallel detections that occur in both of the circuits, my supplementary comment was that, - just maybe SOME of the "background" radiation that we have been measuring for years - MIGHT be "scalar", and not all due to radiation, remembering of course that a Geiger - Muller tube will respond very nicely to Photons if left unshielded. O.k - it will be several days before I can get back to work in the workshop, but will report on what I find. Still looking for a source of repeatable scalar energy. Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 05:09:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21081; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:09:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:09:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34ADEAA9.7965@dove.net.au> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:37:13 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YDcjE2.0.B95.ASEhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote, concerning the interesting effects that he is observing with some 47,000 Ufd caps ..... Rick, is there any correlation with the "Lagrange" points ( I believe that these either Lead or Trail the Moon by about 45 degrees ) - Corrections on this figure would be most welcome. The reason I ask is that, several years ago, as part of my Amateur radio experimentation, I investigated so-called L.D.E's or Long Delayed Echoes. This phenomena - was said to return radio signals at a time WELL after the normal Lunar return time, and also well beyond the time you would expect to see / measure - if the signals had been around the Earth on the long path. They were first noticed from the Philips Lab in Eindhoven (NL) back in the late 20's / Early 30's, I met one South Aussie "Ham" who had experienced the same effect back in the 60's. It may be totally irrelevant - but in this game I don't think that we should write off ANY avenues of corroborative research - based purely upon existing knowledge. Would be interested to hear if there are other Major / Minor peaks / Troughs in the results you are getting Rick. I have (somewhere in this hovel), a very simple circuit that you can plug into the joystick port on a games card - you can use this when hooked up to a P.C to measure voltage / Current etc - sort of like a poor mans' monitoring system - but for the cost of a few resistors worth giving a try, if you Rick, or anyone else wants to know more, then email me and I will sort out the details and put them up on one of my sites. Glenville T. Sawyer gsawyer@dove.net.au From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 06:25:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23386; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:22:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:22:28 -0800 Message-ID: <34AC911E.1514@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:02:54 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SMOT? I have had them References: <19980101.134318.6486.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BGZ4_3.0.Jj5.ZWFhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stephen L Heckman wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:24:01 EST HLafonte writes: > > > An earlier post discussed a rotary smot. I have considered a possible > design, where the ball is replaced with a electromagnet, and is turned > off when it enters the last part of the array so it can "break free" (My > paper design had two arrays and 3 electromagnets per array). On my > sketch I named it a "smotor" (I know, bad pun). > > I don't think it would be "overunity", but I have also an idea for a > regeneration circuit to capture back emf of the turned-off coil and dump > it back to the coils still on. > > There may yet be something to this smot business! > > Steve Heckman > > Hi Steve sounds interesting can you show your circuit I think maybe I can use your idea in the RRAMM E on the momentum storage (Repel magnets )you may of won 1000 hour credits . hope to get my computer looked at when the town gets back to normel so that I can post my drawings and give pepole a better understanding of what the operation, potenchal and layout is . winding main coil today Ive called it the D bone thats what looks like to me 520 turns , each layer termernating in the middill 10 deep used the lamernated plates for the core and credit card outer formers with teflon plumers tape round the midel looks good hope it works like that. **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 06:27:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27283; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:24:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:24:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34ACF274.3AF5@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:58:12 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Greg Watson phone call.. References: <19971230003624.8632.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> <19980101.134318.6486.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k8tOh.0.7g6.uYFhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stephen L Heckman wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:36:24 -0800 (PST) mr mojo > writes: > >More of my mindless ramblings.. > > > >Lets look at the Buggy Whip companies in the early century... where > >are they all now... They either adapted or they went on and did other > >things.. > > > >I agree, if a working device ever does show up, it will cause massive > >problems, but I do think that the down side is smaller than the > >upside. A heck lot less pollution, etc.. > > > Wall Street will take the first hit. But many Middle Eastern Gov'ts will > loose income that they spend on Arms. Our own Gov't takes much revenue > from energy taxes, though that will be quickly shifted to new sources. > > Industry will adapt. We NOW can sell excess power directly to the power > co., personally I think that It will simply hasten the deregulation of > the power industry, and create new industries (ie, electric vehicles). > > Change always happens, as we can NOT continue to do things as we have > been in the past. The changes i see are to bulk power supply in this country its mostly hydro, that water is better used for irrigation anyway I see people instead of getting a bill for power will get a cheque payed by industrial users of there excess and there power for free oil industry bye bye rip out the gas replace tank with RRAMME PUMP and burn water suddenly you have debit turned into a profit so what happens the economy heads for the sky you can afford a holiday that new camera ,house,education health you don't have to steal to survive, jobs if you want the world would change in a flash a wave of prosperity to all, time to think enjoy a very exciting time .The real power would be in the hands of those that drive the economy you and it can not be stopped ! or controled by a few . > > > >---"Frank C. Earl" wrote: > >> > >> > He told me, that he does not want to hurt the current power > >companies > >> > and thus to put many people out of work and so his new company > >deceided > >> > to build a "remote area power generator" for 3rd world > >applications, > >> > there where poor people are off the grid anyway and needed power > >to > >> > cook lunch and heat their homes. > >> > >> Um, do any of you all realize how silly that is? Not the delivery > >> of 1kW units to third world countries, the concern for the power > >> companies. I can assure you that the following things will happen: > > > I lived in the Phillippines for three years- one thing that they didn't > believe in was patents and copywrites! > > Just my two cents worth. > Steve No me neither think about it 6 million patents x don't know 1 - 10 grand to days terms it more than I can count or even image and you can be shore not even 1% came back to the inventors , But I do know about curries -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 06:51:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26714; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:51:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:51:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34ACFE6B.414@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:49:15 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"79lh91.0.JX6.UxFhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Winterflood wrote: > >> > If you are plotting a wave as a "thing" on x-y axes, then you > must look at what the y-axis represents. For acoustic waves > in fluids, the y-axis (which appears to wave up and down on > the paper) actually represents "compression and rarefaction", > or alternatively "motion in the direction of propagation". > It does not represent transverse motion. Certainly. > This shearing motion is the essence of transverse waves and > that is why a fluid will not propagate them. (Viscosity > may allow them to be propagated for a short distance > but air doesn't have much viscosity). Well, they are clearly existing at the border of two different fluid media - the circular wave patterns on water surfaces are in fact transversal waves. Obviously, the borders between media are important for wave propagation - this is true for acoustics so it should be considered as a possibility for EM. Scalar EM waves might be existant in bordering structures between two media - like the copper and core of a transformer, for example, where we have a medium most suitable for waves interacting with a medium more suitable for magnetic field lines. So far, the interaction of a transformer core on a winding has never been described satisfactorily - how does a field line which is completely immersed in the core act on a winding that's wrapped aound the very same core? Why is it that even the most *wild* free-hand winding still excites a parallel flow of field lines in the core? This works even when the coil is wrapped onto the primary, which should, by all possible measn, result in losses and interference instead of linear power transfer? Why is it then that a near-lossless wireless power transfer *over a nonmagnetic medium* is deemed impossible, when it is actually proposed by the laws of induction? It works well enough in coreless transformers if you use spiral windings, but does not if you use ordinary cylindrical windings, although they are much closer to the ideal. How is it that each winding of a coil does not cancel out the current in the adjacent windings due to the uncertain phase relationships? If EM theory is right, the ideal transformer should be a bifilar coil. Any other type should introduce extreme losses. EM theory is all wonderfully logical in mathematical terms, but from the viewpoint of engineering, you'd marvel it works at all. I've zigzagged wire all over the coil and *still* it behaves mostly like an ideal, straight, single-turn wire. It might be more lossy and show stray effects, but it is still rather close to an ideal coil. In short: If you built a steam engine with the same sloppyness, it wouldn't work. Mind you, I don't care really if a mathematical concept seems wonderfully complete, thus eliminating unwanted properties, if its modelling qualities are not. > > >and fluids - clearly outlining that the form of propagation > >is depending on the medium rather than the nature of the phenomenon. If > >the same is true of EM waves, they should behave differently when > >travelling through cables or semi-conductors. If this is not the case, > >this would probably indicate that EM waves use their own distinct > >medium, which could only be described as the ether? > > E-M waves can be seen as shear waves in an incompressible or > infinitely compressible medium. This was discussed at length > in Maxwells day. They couldn't make up their minds as to > whether the aether was incompressible or infinitely compressible. Which is fine for a theory that is only in use today because the aether is supposed to be nonexistant. "Copper is either a good conductor or a good non-conductor, although it does not exist*. Pardon me John, you can't make me believe this is a logical explanation that does not leave enough loopholes for scalars or even Kryptonian heat vision ... > > >Okay, but what about divergence? > > I'm not sure what you mean by divergence. Well, I meant the spreading of an EM wave over distance, the "light cone", if you will. Anyway, I guess this is not really the problem here. I've modelled acoustic waves along their paths using a trolly fitted with a lightbulb driven by a microphone and recording the light on film, yielding a plot of the pressure amplitudes, ie. wavefronts. But with the short wavelengths of EM, I'm still looking for a method to check if waves do indeed "look" like they are supposed to do. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 07:04:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01774; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:04:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:04:23 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:42:36 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 40 Resent-Message-ID: <"yuVOa.0.ZR.r7Ghq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [snip] >Unless someone can come up with a good conventional reason why an ordinary >capacitor on the surface of the rotating Earth should show a sharp rise in >self-charging rate while the galactic center passes through the N-S >meridian, [snip] >experience with these caps. I don't think I would be considering it that >way if I hadn't seen first hand what appears to be a strong correlation to >celestial objects. Reserving judgement though on the Martian connection >until better photos of Cydonia come in. I'll build an op-amp Hodowanec >detector next, and continue with the multi-cap multi-direction strategy. > >I know - it CAN'T be that simple, but something's there. And it's not a >subtle reaction, either. Biology must be affected by it in some way. Any >ideas? I'd recommend "Full Moons" by Paul Katzeff ISBN 0-8065-0832-9. The last chapter, 30, is about "Magnetism and Electricity". About 1/4 of the book is references. Other chapters cover biological aspects in detail. Not as far way as the Galatic Center but since its much closer to home it might be easier to study effects. >BTW, if that self charge phenomena isn't freenrg, then I don't know what >is. Too bad it's like pico-amps or something. We're completely awash in it, >whatever it is. Desktop radio-astronomy anyone? G. Hodowanec papers first saw the light of day in the Society for Amateur Radio Astronomers (SARA) BEFORE they came out in Radio & Electronics. Greg was pissed that they moved it to the "April Fool" issue when originally it was to be in the previous November issue. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 07:05:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01879; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:04:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:27:43 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Lines: 46 Resent-Message-ID: <"zHdo12.0.FT.N8Ghq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >No wonder it doesn't sound exactly right - I mostly made it >up from a very faint memory and knowing what the equation was. >But it is exactly the experiment I intended :- > >>"ELECTROSTATIC Aharonov-Bohm effect can be observed by >>splitting an electron beam and direction it toward two >>hollow, metallic cylinders that shielded electrons from >>electric forces. As electrons pass through the cylinders, a >>scalar potential difference (voltage) is applied between the >>cylinders. The interference pattern observed on the screen >>is shifted by an amount directly related to the scalar >>potential." > >So are you saying that this experiment has been done? Page 59/60 of S.A. April 1989 "In 1986 Akira Tonomura and his colleagues at Hitachie Ltd. in Tokyo ..." Shows a picture of the interference patterns on page 57. >If our library was not shut over the Christmas - New Year >break I would have had a copy of this paper by now and been >able to read all about it. Wish I had a library around here that carried any thing of use. >Yeah, those are the ones! I have had a very quick look at them >now but will have to print them out and read them through >thoroughly. (Maybe I will be able to understand what Mr Bearden >carries on about at long last!) Thanks a lot to whoever was >responsible in getting those papers into the modern media! I believe it was John Norring who did the original .trof.equ format. Some one else on the list converted them to .pdf format from some very old files I had. I'll let them identify them self if they want to. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 07:31:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05873; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:31:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:31:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:33:07 +0100 (CET) From: Mathias Bage X-Sender: mathias@al To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TT Brown on the Learning Channel Sunday In-Reply-To: <349AFABD.1D095814@minimal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id HAA05829 Resent-Message-ID: <"uzjNl3.0.QR1.sWGhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi! On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, ralph muha wrote: > http://www.discovery.com/diginets/smartviewer/schedule/tlc/1997/12/21.html > > http://www.discovery.com/diginets/smartviewer/episode/29/548067004.html > > > > > Science Frontiers--Future Fantastic > > Week > > The Incredible Shrinking Planet > > -------------------------------------- > > > > Scientists invent their own > > high-speed flying saucers and attempt > > the ultimate form of transport > > teleportation. > > > > Air Time(s) Eastern Time: > > > > TLC - 16 Dec 1997 - 10:00 PM > > > > TLC - 16 Dec 1997 - 01:00 AM > > > > TLC - 21 Dec 1997 - 01:00 PM > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Copyright © 1997 Discovery > > Communications, Inc. I live in Sweden, Europe. I called Discovery in the U.K. and they said it will never air here in Europe. WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! So, I wonder if anyone in the U.S. taped the show? If so, I'd like to buy a copy of it. /Mathias From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 08:23:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11562; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:23:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:23:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AD3004.376A@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:20:52 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <34ACFE6B.414@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7xpVb1.0.Xq2.6IHhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Juergen et al! Do you happen to know anything about Felix Wurths' claim of a 200% overunity device? His web page has a couple of pictures of it and he says it is similar in operation to the Orffyreus wheel....his site is; http://www.zeroenergy.com Most of is it in German except for the maschine.htm page which is in English. He doesn't give a lot of detail. I would love to see a short video clip of this device in action since it seems to have rather complex dynamics, possibly using a mechancal cycloid motion as Thornsen and Cook claim is used in their inertial drive machines. Seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 09:19:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24218; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:19:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:19:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980102111705.00c6023c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:17:05 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: <34ACFE6B.414@t-online.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-s8Ky2.0.Dw5.D6Ihq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Juergen, All.... At 15:49 1/2/98 +0100, Juergen Heinzerling wrote (and I snipped): >Scalar EM waves might be existant in bordering structures between two >media - like the copper and core of a transformer, for example, where we >have a medium most suitable for waves interacting with a medium more >suitable for magnetic field lines. So far, the interaction of a >transformer core on a winding has never been described satisfactorily - >how does a field line which is completely immersed in the core act on a >winding that's wrapped aound the very same core? The magnetic field is perpendicular to the plane of the coil, and the lines of magnetic force close to form a loop around the conductor. If the magnetic streamlines don't pass through the area of the conducting loop, as they encircle the conductor, then there is no induced counter EMF when the number of lines change. The surrounding medium doesn't effect this relationship. If the number of lines that pass through the area contained buy the conducting loop (as they close around they conductor) changes, a resulting counter EMF will be induced. If there is no change, there will be no counter EMF. You can take that to the bank. This is a good thing, otherwise the metastatic stability of the electromagnetic system would be compromised. We could have all the free energy that we want, but the universe would be unstable. I hate it when that happens. >Why is it that even the >most *wild* free-hand winding still excites a parallel flow of field >lines in the core? This works even when the coil is wrapped onto the >primary, which should, by all possible measn, result in losses and >interference instead of linear power transfer? Well, even though the winding is wild, you haven't changed the plane of the winding very much. Yet it does have a significant effect in some applications. For transformers, scramble windings only work well at low frequencies, and they waste valuable winding window area. Losses due to the leakage inductance (that part of the inductance which is not mutual to both windings, which is typically a few percent of the magnetizing inductance) increases with scramble windings. losses from parasitic capacitance may actually decrease with a scramble windings, but that's a much smaller part of the losses though. Winding the coils on opposite legs of the core, or over one another, does effect the mutual inductance, due to the relationship of each coil to the core, and this effects the leakage inductance. In addition to the effect on leakage inductance, the winding practices effect losses due to proximity effect on the conductors, eddy current losses, and losses from parasitic capacitance. For inductors, a scramble windings decrease parasitic capacitance can be beneficial. If you can live with the increased volume, and decreased control over the frequency of self resonance. >Why is it then that a >near-lossless wireless power transfer *over a nonmagnetic medium* is >deemed impossible, when it is actually proposed by the laws of >induction? Who deems it impossible? I've built transformers that operated at hundreds of kilowatts with only the losses due to the resistance of the conductors, and those of the parasitic capacitances.... they are common in radio transmitters. Air is the perfect core material, if only the permeability wasn't so damn low. >It works well enough in coreless transformers if you use spiral >windings, but does not if you use ordinary cylindrical windings, >although they are much closer to the ideal. How is it that each winding >of a coil does not cancel out the current in the adjacent windings due >to the uncertain phase relationships? If EM theory is right, the ideal >transformer should be a bifilar coil. Any other type should introduce >extreme losses. The field induced by adjacent windings, with the currents flowing in the same direction, shouldn't cancel. Possibly there is some small change in phase due to the propagation time but that's very small in the devices we consider here, and it's not uncertain in any case. You would need to see more than 180 degrees of phase shift for cancellation to begin to occur. >EM theory is all wonderfully logical in mathematical terms, but from the >viewpoint of engineering, you'd marvel it works at all. I've zigzagged >wire all over the coil and *still* it behaves mostly like an ideal, >straight, single-turn wire. It might be more lossy and show stray >effects, but it is still rather close to an ideal coil. > >In short: If you built a steam engine with the same sloppyness, it >wouldn't work. If you built a simple, low performance, steam engine, it might. If you build a transformer for a switchmode power supply by winding it willy-nilly, it may not work either. The slight bit of loss is a major problem when operating transformers at high power levels, and when operating at high frequencies the stray effects make designers consider different occupations. In SMPS design you have both conditions to contend with, which is why I love it so. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Melvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 09:38:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27701; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:38:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: <20VqYEArRSr0Ew1x@oroboros.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:31:23 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: <34ACBAE1.A2A@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"gpKS52.0.km6.xNIhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message <34ACBAE1.A2A@t-online.de>, Juergen Heinzerling writes >MFergerson wrote: >> >> >> Probably because most of us visualize in three (or less) dimensions,and the >> math insists the phenomenon itself needs more; project it down to something we >> can see on a blackboard, and a lot is lost in translation. >> >> Actually, the standard diagram you mention always looked to me like a cross >> between a transverse wave and a logitudinal wave, but the longitudinal part is >> described as the Poynting vector; all compression and no rarefaction, though. > >This might in fact account for my difficulty in understanding this >all;-). > >> >> Very interesting, nonetheless. But, does it lead to hardware? > >Before the audience in Zurich on Dec. 6, Meyl claimed he has it, as he >did several times when I discussed this with him. In the end, it turned >out that he meant he had an *indirect* method of measuring scalars. Oh, >he is a trickster much like anybody else ;-)... However, Meyl is a >theoretic, so this doesn't say anything. From his writings, a capacitor >(in a Faraday cage) would make a good scalar detector - which is not >new, really. As a matter of fact, anything dielectric should be able to >*catch* scalars and turn them into measurable voltage fluctuations. So >Hodowanec and T.T.Brown might have been working in the right direction. > I've tried to detect differences between using a capacitor made out of a stack of parallel plates, and one made using a conventional wound cylindrical construction. I thought, (and still think) that a capacitor formed out of a stack of 2 dimensional parallel plates might show directionality in its use as a scalar detecter. I've been using the Hodowanec op-amp circuit with FET input op-amps (LF351 and similar types) to mininize the input current. It's too early to say what the results are. I will have to build a reference detector using the same value (and dielectric type) of cap to compare things with. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 09:45:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29672; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:45:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:45:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:46:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank C. Earl" X-Sender: fearl@localhost To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Calling Stefan Hartmann, Greg Watson phone call.. In-Reply-To: <19980101.134318.6486.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RalnN1.0.RF7.dUIhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Stephen L Heckman wrote: > I lived in the Phillippines for three years- one thing that they didn't > believe in was patents and copywrites! See what I mean? China and Taiwan are two others that plain flat don't give a damn about patents or copyrights when the rubber hits the pavement. Ever wonder where the Asian market for Pentium processors are supplied from? It's not from Intel- it's from UMC. And since UMC doesn't pay royalties to Intel, they simply sell to countries that don't enforce US patent rights. > Just my two cents worth. Yeah, but what a two cents it is... ;-> -- Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a $500 archival fee per copy. E-mail recieved after any reciept of this notice implys acceptance of these terms. A copy of USC 47 may be found online at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 09:48:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA31006; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:48:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34AD1D59.1D73@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:01:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <34ACFE6B.414@t-online.de> <34AD3004.376A@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"OumV4.0.Ba7.VXIhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Juergen et al! > > Do you happen to know anything about Felix Wurths' claim of a 200% > overunity device? His web page has a couple of pictures of it and he > says it is similar in operation to the Orffyreus wheel....his site is; In the last issue of Adolf/Inge Shcneider's NET-Journal, the readers were informed that Wurth has seperated himself from the PR company who had organised lectures for some 500 Deutschmarks per head. For the price, the audience had the pleasure of seeing a lecture by Wurth himself, but no demo of the FE device and the claimed O/U effect. In the article/interview, Wurth says that his own lectures would cost only 200 DM per head and include a full demo of the device. Still, I find it rather strange that Wurth gave lectures *without* showing the device in action for *any* price. Also, NET-Journal printed several letters saying Wurth's basic assumptions wer flawed, as his device is supposed to work on the fact that deccelerating an object in a Delta-t that is shorter than its acceleration phase would yield excess energy. This is obviously based on a misunderstanding of the mathematical relationships on Wurth's side - ie. if Wurth were right, objects would memorize the time it took them to accelerate. He tried to crawl out of this in the interview, but I did not find his "defense" very convincing ("But look, a car is going to make a hard impact if it hits a wall, so there must be excess energy"). As it stands, Wurth is not really able or willing to demonstrate O/U. And knowing the scene, it is left to anyone's opinion which is the case. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 10:38:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12317; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:38:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <34AD4FBC.4336@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:36:12 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Heinzerling_clan@t-online.de Subject: Wurth O/U Claims References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <34ACFE6B.414@t-online.de> <34AD3004.376A@keelynet.com> <34AD1D59.1D73@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xD6nD.0.M03.9GJhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Juergen et al! Yes, now I remember the guy...he was supposed to have a major announcement where people had to pay a pretty penny to get in to see the working device and hear his explanation....wondered what happened to that. So, you say he hasn't been willing to demonstrate the machine publicly yet? That's not fair....but, given the claim, it fits with sooooo many others.....take a good line...we'll see, I sent him an email asking for more detail but nothing so far...thanks for the update... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 10:41:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03347; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AD3411.1C25@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:38:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102111705.00c6023c@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"cvENw.0.Cq.uIJhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > > The magnetic field is perpendicular to the plane of > the coil, and the lines of magnetic force close to > form a loop around the conductor. If the magnetic > streamlines don't pass through the area of the conducting > loop, as they encircle the conductor, then there is no induced > counter EMF when the number of lines change. The > surrounding medium doesn't effect this relationship. Uh, this goes deeper than I intended it to go ;-) Anyway, I did not argue against basic induction theory, which is useful and not flawed IMO. What I meant is the interactive part of the process. A transformer core is simply a short-circuited AC electromagnet, ie. one that has no airgap. So the magnetic filed lines will be drawn inside the core to the point of complete magnetic saturation. If you hold a piece of iron against the core, the magnetic attraction amounts to nil (stray losses only). So how would the field lines *know* that there is a so-and-so winding that wants them to creep out of the core and induce a current? We could see it from the viewpoint of impedance, where the load pulls the field lines from the core. Still, the field lines won't jump from the core - they serve as a means of transporting flux insided the core, but not for inducing current in the secondary. I'm not saying the transformer doesn't work, I'm only saying that the form of interaction is uncertain. > but that's a much smaller part of the losses though. Winding > the coils on opposite legs of the core, or over one another, > does effect the mutual inductance, due to the relationship of > each coil to the core, and this effects the leakage inductance. Still, it doesn't change the basic transformer ration, although the induction is not taking place in an orderly manner. > > >Why is it then that a > >near-lossless wireless power transfer *over a nonmagnetic medium* is > >deemed impossible, when it is actually proposed by the laws of > >induction? > > Who deems it impossible? I've built transformers that > operated at hundreds of kilowatts with only the losses > due to the resistance of the conductors, and those of > the parasitic capacitances.... they are common in radio > transmitters. Air is the perfect core material, if only > the permeability wasn't so damn low. Well, I did not make myself clear here: I meant over a considerable distance, not in a transformer. > and it's not uncertain in any case. You would need to see > more than 180 degrees of phase shift for cancellation to begin > to occur. Well, 180 would cancel it out completely - so why would we need more? I can't see why a larger phaseshift should matter if we are concerned with transfer of power and not information. > > > >In short: If you built a steam engine with the same sloppyness, it > >wouldn't work. > > If you built a simple, low performance, steam engine, it might. I have the feeling this point is best left to the Stirling fraction ... _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 11:05:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17382; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:04:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:04:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199801021904.OAA23870@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:02:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LcDcf2.0.PF4.CfJhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > BTW, if that self charge phenomena isn't freenrg, then I don't know what > is. Too bad it's like pico-amps or something. We're completely awash in it, > whatever it is. Desktop radio-astronomy anyone? How dramatic an effect are we talking about? I was thinking about the possibility of the dimensions of the capacitor being changed by barometric pressure changes caused by the moon's gravity. As a preliminary way of testing this, is there any long-term correlation with barometric pressure? Now the galactic center, on the other hand... It emits a lot of radiation, but mostly too high to pass through steel, as far as I know. Does anyone know if it emits an appreciable amount of longwave radiation? I doubt anyone has studied this, and I can't think of any mechanism whereby it would do so, but all alternatives must be eliminated. -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 11:45:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10140; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:45:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:41:53 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"PRRwS2.0.KU2.CFKhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: J. Heinzerling wrote: :In my book, I've mused if Tesla, in his Col. Springs experiment, built :up an EM standing wave *and then* produced a *something* that used this :standingwave as a carrier. I tried to make sense of this by doing a :number of simple arithmetic calculations. Now interestingly, it turned :out that his calculations for the magnifying transmitter do indeed make :sense - *if* you use the present geophysical model of the Earth, which :was unknown at the time. AFAIK, Tesla was not even aware of the fact :that he had detected this - he just used it as a means of proof for his :experiments. That sounds about right.. :I don't say this is proof of anything but the fact that Tesla's :magnifying transmitter worked as he claimed. The maths behind it are :stupidly simple. That sounds about my speed... : I don't know if I was the first to find this relation, :but if there's an interest in this list, I would forward a short, :translated excert of the chapter. Yes, please! (And a reference?) Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 12:16:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29570; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:16:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:16:05 -0800 Message-ID: <34AD4B7F.95156FD1@midusa.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:18:07 -0600 From: Jon Flickinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <34ACB8FF.10BA@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OZ-MR3.0.vD7.3iKhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: > I don't say this is proof of anything but the fact that Tesla's > magnifying transmitter worked as he claimed. The maths behind it are > stupidly simple. I don't know if I was the first to find this relation, > but if there's an interest in this list, I would forward a short, > translated excert of the chapter. If you would, please forward a translated excerpt to the list..... most interesting! Also would like to see anything in translation of Meyl's work on scaler = dynamic electrostatic potential. Thanks, jf From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 12:19:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13512; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:15:53 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"dzh9.0._I3.XkKhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: J. Heinzerling wrote: :> This shearing motion is the essence of transverse waves and :> that is why a fluid will not propagate them. (Viscosity :> may allow them to be propagated for a short distance :> but air doesn't have much viscosity). : :Well, they are clearly existing at the border of two different fluid :media - the circular wave patterns on water surfaces are in fact :transversal waves. Obviously, the borders between media are important :for wave propagation - this is true for acoustics so it should be :considered as a possibility for EM. This is the most interesting thing I've heard re: properties of scalars as opposed to vector waves in a long time. (Obvious once pointed out!) Are we looking at a "sub-ether" as well as the "conventional" ether, with scalars propagating in the first, and vectors appearing at the interface? The fact that speed of sound within water doesn't match surface speed of waves (think tsunami) implies (justifies suspicions) that scalars propagate FTL. OK, I know it's only an analogy, but I gotta start somewhere...just what we need- another wild-ass theory ;>) :Scalar EM waves might be existant in bordering structures between two :media - like the copper and core of a transformer, for example, where we :have a medium most suitable for waves interacting with a medium more :suitable for magnetic field lines. So far, the interaction of a :transformer core on a winding has never been described satisfactorily - :how does a field line which is completely immersed in the core act on a :winding that's wrapped aound the very same core? Yes, particularly toroids. Conventional EM says the flux is completely contained, then claims that same contained flux cuts the secondary! (Duh?) : Why is it that even the :most *wild* free-hand winding still excites a parallel flow of field :lines in the core? This works even when the coil is wrapped onto the :primary, which should, by all possible measn, result in losses and :interference instead of linear power transfer? To quibble a bit, higher frequency coils are recommended "scramble-wound" precisely to eliminate careful parallel-winding losses (ARRL Handbook). Make sense? No? Me too..... :EM theory is all wonderfully logical in mathematical terms, but from the :viewpoint of engineering, you'd marvel it works at all. I've zigzagged :wire all over the coil and *still* it behaves mostly like an ideal, :straight, single-turn wire. It might be more lossy and show stray :effects, but it is still rather close to an ideal coil. :Mind you, I don't care really if a mathematical concept seems :wonderfully complete, thus eliminating unwanted properties, if its :modelling qualities are not. This goes to my point that scalar theory must begin with repeatable observation (experiment), followed by guesses at what's happening, predictions of other effects, and repeat. Just starting with an "elegant" theory makes us ignore "off scale" data points- just like standard EM theory. :> E-M waves can be seen as shear waves in an incompressible or :> infinitely compressible medium. This was discussed at length :> in Maxwells day. They couldn't make up their minds as to :> whether the aether was incompressible or infinitely compressible. : :Which is fine for a theory that is only in use today because the aether :is supposed to be nonexistant. "Copper is either a good conductor or a :good non-conductor, although it does not exist*. Pardon me John, you :can't make me believe this is a logical explanation that does not leave :enough loopholes for scalars or even Kryptonian heat vision ... If we assume EM (transverse) waves are an effect, not a cause, this objection goes away, no? :> >Okay, but what about divergence? :> :> I'm not sure what you mean by divergence. : :Well, I meant the spreading of an EM wave over distance, the "light :cone", if you will. Anyway, I guess this is not really the problem here. :I've modelled acoustic waves along their paths using a trolly fitted :with a lightbulb driven by a microphone and recording the light on :film, yielding a plot of the pressure amplitudes, ie. wavefronts. But :with the short wavelengths of EM, I'm still looking for a method to :check if waves do indeed "look" like they are supposed to do. No prob- tune your car radio to a distant AM station, and drive downtown. Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 13:26:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22183; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:26:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:18:11 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"mmNE63.0.VQ5.qjLhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: :MFergerson wrote: : : : :> Yes, the standard EM theory followed experiment, and a lot of cut-and-try :> was needed, but that was then. We should be able to do better by now. Anybody :> out there know for sure how to build a works-first-time scalar antenna? : :Have you built any of the projects on Bill's web page? Yes, and I can't seem to get consistently repeatable results, which is what I was whining about ;>) And Rick Monteverde wrote: :Mark Fergerson wrote: : :> Anybody know of a reliably replicable scalar :> parallel to the spark-gap radio? :Unless someone can come up with a good conventional reason why an ordinary :capacitor on the surface of the rotating Earth should show a sharp rise in :self-charging rate while the galactic center passes through the N-S :meridian, and a smaller peak again when the outer arm passes over 12 hours :later, then I'd be inclined to say there's your scalar "spark gap radio". Which kinda kills the "reliable, repeatable" part...but Rick goes on: :Right now, the sun's sitting in the Milky Way for a while, so that tends to :blend two potential sources together. But with the moon split off just to :the side of the galaxy a few degrees yesterday, I could see a secondary :peak rise up around the time it passed the meridian too. The day before it :was just a bulge on the shoulder of the main noonish peak. OK, I've gotten weird peaks at weird times, too, but I never looked at the sky (insert hanging head in shame emoticon here) so obviously a scalar receiver isn't operating in a vacuum (unintended pun). Still looking Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 14:30:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00218; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34ADEAA9.7965@dove.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:54 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"nKzbX2.0.k2.neMhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Glen - > Rick, is there any correlation with the > "Lagrange" points ( I believe that these either > Lead or Trail the Moon by > about 45 degrees ) - Corrections on this > figure would be most welcome. The resolution of the casual set-up I have now can't show anything like that much detail. Curves are very splayed out, and the sun/galaxy is about all I can really trust in as a correlation right now. But with better equipment I should be able to see quite a bit of detail. See the Hodowanec file for clues. This is really simple too. Anyone with any experimental interest should try this one out and see it themselves. It's about a couple of orders of magnitude easier than trying to get a good SMOT ramp built and properly adjusted, not to mention that this actually seems to work! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 14:30:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00261; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:29:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:29:26 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801021904.OAA23870@csrlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1328348437==_============" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:47:34 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"2zuhp1.0.t3.veMhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --============_-1328348437==_============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim - > How dramatic an effect are we talking about? Dramatic enough to know it's not temperature at least, and probably not pressure. Easily read, range is from a loss of a half millivolt per hour to a gain of 1.5 or so. Big diurnal curves. Here's a picture of one attached to this post. > I was thinking about the possibility of the > dimensions of the capacitor being changed by > barometric pressure changes caused by the > moon's gravity. As a preliminary way of > testing this, is there any long-term > correlation with barometric pressure? I don't know. Sounds like a good guess, but I'd think that normal weather variations would swamp the more subtle effect of an atmospheric tide. This needs to be resolved. TTB's experiments show similar distinctive curve shapes like I see and he did some of those experiments sealed up, if I recall correctly. 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<199801022257.UAA08784@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:59:49 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34ACB8FF.10BA@t-online.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"wje3b3.0.CA1.J4Nhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I don't say this is proof of anything but the fact that Tesla's > magnifying transmitter worked as he claimed. The maths behind it are > stupidly simple. I don't know if I was the first to find this relation, > but if there's an interest in this list, I would forward a short, > translated excert of the chapter. Would you please do so ? Marcelo > _________________________________________________________ > Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator > "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." > > http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de > mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 16:03:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12178; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:03:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:03:17 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:37:26 -0500 Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Message-ID: <19980102.185641.7678.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-9,11-12,17-18,22-23,29-30,34-35,37-38,40-43, 45-47,49-51,56-57,61-66 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"TV5Wl1.0.A-2.31Ohq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:15:53 EST MFergerson writes: >:Well, they are clearly existing at the border of two different fluid >:media .... Obviously, the borders between media are important >:for wave propagation Bearden had some interesting theory called the 4th Law of Logic, dealing with interactions at the border (in the Excalibur Briefing). Stayed out of the scalar theory discussion 'till now due to the lack of coherence on my part...too much data scattered all over the place! In the same referenced work, he discusses how scalar potentials can be "impressed" on a normal transverse EM wave, to allow it to be carried over a distance. This was the origional scalar transmitter design concept that I was familiar with. Two such transmitters were used to recover the energy, using "interference" where the two EM beams intersected. As I recall, this was the basis for Soviet Scalar EM weapons. Microwave transmitters were "modified" to allow for scalar "modulation", a pair became an anti-aircraft/ballistic missile weapon by messing with the electronics inside. No circuits or practical diagrams provided. A lower freq. unit could be made and tested using Bob Shannon's scalar pulse generator designed to test his barkenhausen-based detector. Just beef-up the DC supply and replace the switch with a MOSFET and create pulse it. Isolate the scalar translator coil with a pair of RFC's. Couple a MHz RF through the scalar coil and to an antenna. Now build a second one (actually, you can use the same oscillators for both). According to Bearden (if I got it right) you should see normal EM effects due to the interfering scalars creating vectors where the two beams interfere. _______RFC__________-------------------Conventional Antenna 1 i pulse gen scalar coil (Bifilar, etc) 1_______RFC_________i : : RF OSC----------------------------- (sorry for the Horrid graphics) A HF Rf oscillator would work, using small "loop antennas", but a VHF or UHF osc would permit small directional antennas. Technically, a scalar transmitter such a those posted on J.L. Naudin's site should produce interference effects if tested in pairs. Perhaps the RF carrier was to extend the range. Conceivably, HF such as in the Shortwave Bands would allow the scalar potential to be carried "over the horizion". So, what ever happened to Warren York? Used to write for Extraordinary Science mag. in a Scalar Electromagnetics column. According to the list archive (not zipped!), he was on this list in the early days. He might of been able to contribute to this discussion. Again, just my two cents worth! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 17:07:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13733; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:07:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:07:23 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:00 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: [science news] magnetic mood brightener Resent-Message-ID: <"0LOC32.0.UM3.AzOhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [from Science News, Vol. 153, 1/3/98, page 11] Magnetic Mood Brightener Magnetic stimulation of the brain shows promise as a treatment for depression, a pilot study finds. A team headed by Mark S. George, a psychiatrist at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, administered transcranial magnetic stimulation for 10 days over a 2-week period to 12 adults suffering from major depression or manic depression. An electromagnet placed over the scalp delivered pulses to the front of the brain's left side, possibly halting neural communication in that area temporarily. The volunteers were assigned at random to receive either the active treatment or stimulation that did not reach the brain. Only the transcranial procedure markedly lifted mood, George's group reports in the December 1997 American Journal Of Psychiatry. If longer trials confirm this effect and illuminate how the technique works, it may provide an alternative to antidepressant drugs, the scientists say. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 17:30:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21719; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:30:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:30:17 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <43389df2.34abfb32@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:29:11 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"W9NRs.0.EJ5.dIPhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 3:39 AM -0500 1/2/98, Rick Monteverde wrote: >Ralph, are you still doing or are interested in continuing these experiments? I've only used caps as scalar detectors. Haven't tried any long term measurements, although it is very intriguing. You should take a look at the Gravity Waves Research Project page at http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/gwrphome/gravwave.htm Also, in http://www.keelynet.com/davidson/npap1.htm, there is some discussion of Hodowanec-style detectors, as well as a report of an observed 24-hour cyclic variation in the DC resistance of a large coil of wire. Recently, in the sci.electronics.design newsgroup, there was a discussion of techniques to eliminate 1/f noise in amplifiers. (I saved the article somewhere but can't find it right now) Somebody said that the 1/f noise would be masked by component drift, and then somebody else replied that maybe what we call drift is really just extremely low freq 1/f noise... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 17:48:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23286; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:48:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:48:26 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:37:26 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"mEHU_3.0.Vh5.dZPhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mark - > Which kinda kills the "reliable, repeatable" > part...but Rick goes on: Why does that kill the reliable/repeatable quality? The same things pass overhead at the same sidereal time every day. Certainly repeatable, and as reliable as the sun's rising. I haven't tried flat plate caps yet, 'rock' caps as per TTB, spinning caps, or any sort of mass-proximity experiment. These might also shed some light on this. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 20:25:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12126; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:25:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:25:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:25:23 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qGY2T.0.Fz2._sRhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, Rick Monteverde wrote: > Mark Fergerson wrote: > > > Anybody know of a reliably replicable scalar > > parallel to the spark-gap radio? > > Unless someone can come up with a good conventional reason why an ordinary > capacitor on the surface of the rotating Earth should show a sharp rise in > self-charging rate while the galactic center passes through the N-S > meridian, and a smaller peak again when the outer arm passes over 12 hours > later, then I'd be inclined to say there's your scalar "spark gap radio". > I've had three 4700uF caps in a grounded steel tool box for a few runs > during the last week or so, checking the voltage with a cheap Radio Shack > voltmeter across a 10meg resistor and logging the results in Excel. I graph > the rate of change between reads which are around a half hour to an hour > apart, and compare the curves with a graphical astronomy program (Starry > Night). It's absolutely fascinating, and I have no idea what's going on. > > Right now, the sun's sitting in the Milky Way for a while, so that tends to > blend two potential sources together. But with the moon split off just to > the side of the galaxy a few degrees yesterday, I could see a secondary > peak rise up around the time it passed the meridian too. The day before it > was just a bulge on the shoulder of the main noonish peak. > > It's not temperature, it's not EM from radio stations, etc. It's weirdness. > (I rather like weirdness, so I've been quite amused by this). > > I got the Hodowanec file at: > > http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/grav3.asc > I built Hodowanec's device shortly after it first appeared in Radio-Electronics magazine. I built a version with a large value of capacitance (4700 uF) and another with a smaller capacitance, I think around 0.1 or 1 uF. The one with the larger capacitance produced more gradual voltage changes which could be recorded on a strip chart. The one with the smaller capacitance produced various audio tones as output. I noticed over weeks of operation that there would be "calm periods" where there was little change in the output of either, and then there were "perturbations" that would last for several hours or even days, with wild changes in the outputs of each. Most of these I could not correlate to any changes occurring on Earth. One perturbation, however, began shortly before a mild earthquake in Japan and continued for a day or so. Is there anyone here who was on the taoshum-l list when Larry Grant distributed his "humbunny" articles? I also tried the "radar detector" circuit that Hodowanec published in Radio-Electronics in a followup article. I never could get it to detect any radar signals, though. Maybe I should try it again now that I am playing around with 10 and 24 GHz amateur radio transmitters. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 20:45:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14322; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:45:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:45:28 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 04:44:49 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34b99bcf.80366870@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"onioI2.0.hV3.d9Shq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:39:40 +0800, John Winterflood wrote: [snip] >>...In Meyl's model, all fields are represented by the same >>vortex, which is able to act as all known fields (ie. gravity, weak >>interaction, EM, scalars) by changing its state. In his opinion, the >>scalar is the dynamic form of the electrostatic potential. As a >>particle, it takes the form of a neutrino. > >Sounds interesting - got a reference? > If you read German, then you might like to take a look at: http://www.tele-ak.fh-furtwangen.de/t-vorlesung/vk_emv.htm where you can find a 4 MB pdf file. (Note the "_" in vk_emv.htm). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 22:22:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25114; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:21:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:21:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD17DD.415D80A0@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Questions on exotic phenomena Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:19:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id WAA25087 Resent-Message-ID: <"e3L7p.0.H86.2aThq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Try to bear with me, as my questions will be most unusual: The simpler stuff: Where can I purchase superconductors? What would I need to generate a strong transverse magnetic field of >1 tesla? The complex and unusual: Has there been any experimentation done with gyroscopes made of superconducting material? Does anyone here know what the possible effects of a superconductive disk would be if it is spun simultaneously at at high speed on 3 axes, each axis being perpendicular at 90 degrees to the others? Anyone possesing info on any of these, please let me know. Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 22:54:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27783; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:54:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:54:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AE6F12.4C0@dove.net.au> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:02:10 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YA4Vk.0.zn6.G2Uhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hmmm.. Earthquake detection Eh ?? 20 years ago, when I was still involved in .. .Um.. Er... ( well O.K if you must know ) UFO research, I had built up a number of Detection circuits, these were basically nothing more than a solenoid iron core, with something like 1,000 Plus turns of fine wire wound (scramble wound that is ) ;-) The coil was fed into a high gain amplifier stage - low frequency ( basically an Audio amp stage ) Transistorised, because Op-Amps were Soooo Very expensive then. The idea behind it was to investigate - whether or not when these "Anamolous" events occurred, it had been suggested that some form of E-M phenomena was also sometimes present. Well we never detected any unusual flying devices, you could trip them with a 50/60 Hz transformer from 10 feet away, but leaving these units running for several weeks, we DID notice a correlation between "Hits" ( i,e the detector "went off", and Large Tectonic events, HOWEVER, the Events were (seemingly) detected up to a few days PRIOR, to the 'Quake becoming evident upon the surface. Does our Mother Earth physically emanate, some spectrum of E-M / Scalar or whatever - as the plates start to move ?, the forces and energy expended in Geological shifts would represent an enormous quantity of energy, and as we realise - this energy must be converted into "something", most cases this is Ground ruptures or other surface effects. Perhaps there ARE other by-products that we can analyse. Regards for now, Glenville. VK5ZCF P.S Zack, I got my licence renewed - but I am only on VHF/UHF ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 2 22:55:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27928; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:55:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:55:08 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:54:32 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"7uMPF3.0.Fq6.93Uhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zack - > I noticed over weeks of operation that there > would be "calm periods" where there was > little change in the output of either, and then > there were "perturbations" that would last > for several hours or even days, with wild > changes in the outputs of each. > > Most of these I could not correlate to any > changes occurring on Earth. One > perturbation, however, began shortly before > a mild earthquake in Japan and continued for a > day or so. So would my take be correct if I thought that you have little doubt that these things do pick up something quite anomalous, and aren't just noisemakers or detecting power line surges or barometric pressure or something? Those ELFRAD guys seem to have a pretty good track record with the earthquakes too. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 04:21:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17665; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:20:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:20:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AE2C62.1450@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:18:04 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"1OGBe.0.wJ4.XqYhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > > I don't say this is proof of anything but the fact that Tesla's > > > magnifying transmitter worked as he claimed. The maths behind it are > > > stupidly simple. I don't know if I was the first to find this relation, > > > but if there's an interest in this list, I would forward a short, > > > translated excert of the chapter. > > > > Would you please do so ? > > I've just had a look at the section in my book and found it is rather > lengthy, so I will just give you a short summary instead of translating > it as it is (terribly busy these days!): > > TESLAS BASIC CLAIMS ON MAGNIFYING TRANSMITTER (values taken from M. > Chaney's book, checked against other sources) ): > > 1) His waves travel with "infinite" speed for a short time. Their > velocity drops to SoL after 10,000 km, but they will accelerate above > SoL again for the rest of the distance. > > 2) He measured a velocity of 471,240 km for scalars in this experiment. > > 3) At his time, geology described the Earth as a rather homogenous ball, > very hot deep inside, with the temperature slowly dropping to the > outside. Earth diameter was claculated to a value not differing much > from today's (see below) > > BASIC CALCULATIONS: > 1) Today, the Earth's diameter is given as ca. 12,740 km (12,714 at the > poles, 12,756 at the equator) > > 2) Now substract Tesla's 10,000 km from the average diameter: > > 12,740 - 10,000 = 2740 > > This is quite close to our present value for the thickness of the > Earth's "cold" hull (2700-2800 km) as given by Daniel Pendrick in > *Earth*, August 1995, page 45. > > So let's imagine that Tesla produced a sine wave that travelled through > the Earth's hull, with the zero (center line) level lying at > > 2740/2 = 1370 km > > below ground, ie. at the surface of an imaginary sphere with a 10,000 km > diameter. To reach the opposite point on the other side of the Earth, it > would have to travel a distance of > > 10,000/2 * Pi km = 15,708 km. > > 3) Now we all know that the vacuum velocity of Hertzian waves is 300,000 > km/S. Interestingly: > > 300,000 km/S * 15,708 km / 10,000 km > > yields 471,240 km/S. > > Which is the "infinite" value of velocity Tesla gives for his > non-Hertzian waves! > > In other words: As Tesla could not have known of the present day > geophysical model, his figures must have been derived by experiment > alone. > > If you still won't believe he transmitted massive amounts of power at > superluminal speed, you would at least have to acknowledge Tesla as the > guy who accidentally discovered the modern day geophysical structure of > our planet - before the turn of last century. > > Still, there is an interpretation that does not involve superluminal > speed: Tesla produced an EM carrier which he thought would travel > directly through the Earth in a straight path. Unbeknownst to him, it > travelled through the hull of the Earth. Now he used this resonant mode > to send a longitudinal power pulse along, which in fact went straight > through the Earth. Due to the fact that the direct path is shorter, the > reflections of this pulse would arrive earlier than the reflected nodes > of the EM carrier. So his superluminal velocity could simply be a result > of measuring scalar velocity indirectly by comparing the arrival times > of a reflection, misinterpretinmg a short path for higher velocity. > > _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 05:53:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA23090; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 05:53:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 05:53:03 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: <5ca53475.34ae425d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:51:23 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"qh4vy2.0.ge5.yAahq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick- :Mark - : : > Which kinda kills the "reliable, repeatable" : > part...but Rick goes on: : :Why does that kill the reliable/repeatable quality? The same things pass :overhead at the same sidereal time every day. Certainly repeatable, and as :reliable as the sun's rising. My point was that odd, unknown (to me, at the time) signals that look like unaccountable, unfixable drift (experiments done at various times-of-day hid solar/galactic position clues) tend to lower confidence in experimental equipment. :Glen - : : > Rick, is there any correlation with the : > "Lagrange" points ( I believe that these either : > Lead or Trail the Moon by : > about 45 degrees ) - Corrections on this : > figure would be most welcome. :The resolution of the casual set-up I have now can't show anything like :that much detail. Curves are very splayed out, and the sun/galaxy is about :all I can really trust in as a correlation right now. But with better :equipment I should be able to see quite a bit of detail. See the Hodowanec :file for clues. Casual? Better than I had...how to determine the directional properties of the caps? Several independent units in an array, correlated outputs, maybe? I'm also assuming the Sun and the Galactic center should be strong scalar sources... Also, Zack wrote: :I built Hodowanec's device shortly after it first appeared in :Radio-Electronics magazine. I built a version with a large value of :capacitance (4700 uF) and another with a smaller capacitance, I think :around 0.1 or 1 uF. The one with the larger capacitance produced more :gradual voltage changes which could be recorded on a strip chart. The :one with the smaller capacitance produced various audio tones as output. Not having a chart recorder handy, I found the versions with the larger- value caps drove a VCO nicely (spooky sound, too...occasional "whoops" indicate..???) :I noticed over weeks of operation that there would be "calm periods" :where there was little change in the output of either, and then there :were "perturbations" that would last for several hours or even days, with :wild changes in the outputs of each. My experience exacty...didn't seem to correlate with anything I could identify, so I put it down to chemical changes in the caps, sloppy soldering, noisy components, etc. :Most of these I could not correlate to any changes occurring on Earth. :One perturbation, however, began shortly before a mild earthquake in :Japan and continued for a day or so. Another fine case of me not looking out the window, as it were...must keep reminding myself there's no such thing as an isolated system. :Is there anyone here who was on the taoshum-l list when Larry Grant :distributed his "humbunny" articles? Not me; what's a "humbunny"? :I also tried the "radar detector" circuit that Hodowanec published in :Radio-Electronics in a followup article. I never could get it to detect :any radar signals, though. Maybe I should try it again now that I am :playing around with 10 and 24 GHz amateur radio transmitters. I missed that one, which issue? Is it on the net? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 06:39:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14538; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:39:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: <34AEDB16.5A04@dove.net.au> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:43:02 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fwai01.0.3Z3.nsahq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick & other experimenters, can I suggest ( if you are not already doing so ), adding a couple of Ferrite beads on the leads that come from your Shielded Capacitor bank, these SHOULD have the effect of reducing any "conventional" E-M pickup on the leads to your multimeter - remember R.F moves in mysterious ways ! Another idea might be to add some Radio Frequency Chokes ( R.F.C's ) - get 'em from Radio Shack, and possibly some low value capacitors across the leads ( values ( 0.01 + 0.1 and 0.001 uFD ) this should virtually eliminate any stray R.F that may be around the place. I will set up my test rig in the coming week, and will ( when I finish off the simple "data-logger" ) run a number of parallel tests. I propose ..... 1) the Shielded arrangement - without R.F filtering 2) As above + R.F filtered 3) Non - Shielded version of both the above. The "logger" can only handle 4 sets of voltage inputs at a time, so I should be able to graph the changes in each / either /. all / none and have the capability to drop out the non-shielded if R.F is a major problem .. which around here it WILL BE - I run a local low-power FM tourism network channel on 87.6 Mhz + Ham-Radio. ! - Hmmm ... O.K Zack I'll shut down again !!! Anyway - lets see what we get. Rick - did you determine the value of 4,700 uFD for any reason - or were they just in your junk box / off the shelf / highest you had to hand ? Late note: Data-logger, having trouble getting "one shot" readings, to get good results using the test set-up here, taking 5-6 readings straight on each sample ( 5-6 samples in 0.5 seconds) , averaging out the results ( in software ), and then sampling again every 5 minutes. NOTE: - this is NOT connected to a detector - YET, just to a wildly and widely varying Power supply. Keep you all posted, if it works properly it is Dang-Blamed simple ! Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 06:48:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15848; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:48:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:48:08 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:47:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801031447.IAA07092@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"rz1343.0.St3.d-ahq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zack wrote: >I also tried the "radar detector" circuit that Hodowanec published in >Radio-Electronics in a followup article. I never could get it to >detect any radar signals, though. Maybe I should try it again now >that I am playing around with 10 and 24 GHz amateur radio >transmitters. > >Zack Zach, I also built the radar detector. I had similar experience in that it had both very poor selectivity and sensitivity. It would detect a microwave tower, but I could drive right by a cop in a radar speed trap and it was silent. The weakness of the design is that it depends on the length of the capacitor leads for tuning. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 07:35:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22544; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:35:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:35:17 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Questions on exotic phenomena Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:11:51 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3Ulr0UQy8s8V092yn@csonline.net> References: <01BD17DD.415D80A0@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <01BD17DD.415D80A0@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> Lines: 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"eVRFn3.0.8W5.qgbhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Where can I purchase superconductors? Edman (Sp?) Scientific sells (sold?) a "educational kit". You need to supply your own liquid nitrogen. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 07:48:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24251; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:48:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34AE5CCE.234F@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:44:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Weird Magnets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"i3PU3.0.qw5.zsbhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I've just read Jerry's Keelynet report on the weird "Sweet" magnets shown to him by a friend. Believe me, I'd cry "Fraud or Delusion!" if it were not for the fact that just two weeks ago, I held two similar magnets in my hands. My friend Christian Nguyen uses them in his Oracs and water activation units. They behave much like the magnet's Jerry describes (although I did not have a polarity viewer at hand to do a check). Anyway, Christian's magnets offer one stable pole (N) and one instable pole which can be toggled between almost non-magnetic (won't hold its own weight when stuck to a beer can) and (S). If you hold the N-pole of another specimen close to the (S) pole, you can feel it toggle to either (S) or neutral. Neutral doesn't mean neutral here, it seems to be a "loaded" state, feeling springy or spongy in my hands. Christain says his magnets (neodyme) will keep there properties indefinitely, even if you toggled them very often. But then Christian says a lot on a long day - about 80% of what he says is a mix of enthusiastic, well-meaning lies and self-delusion, IMO. He calls them "monopolar", but I reckon these are in fact perfectly ordinary "pot" magnets where one pole is just made very small. As he is almost exclusively interested in the healing properties, I'm begging him to give me a couple of these magnets for testing. So far, he is unwilling, but I will not yield. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 07:50:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02372; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:50:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:50:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AE5982.2E85@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:30:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"ucaUJ1.0.ya.pubhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > > > This is the most interesting thing I've heard re: properties of scalars as > opposed to vector waves in a long time. (Obvious once pointed out!) Thankew. Oh thankew ;-) > > If we assume EM (transverse) waves are an effect, not a cause, this > objection goes away, no? Sounds reasonable, especially if we assume that scalar pulses might turn up at coil/core boundaries, where they could then be received by rectification. This might explain why some inventors (Sweet/Moray) speak of "diodes" or similar devices of rectification. This is particularly interesting with Coler's devices, where electrical current flows through (or out of?) the ferrite cores. It is mentioned in the B.I.O.S. report that a coil wrapped around and series-connected to a magnetic core might act as a rectifier, which would explain why Coler's devices had DC output. On the other hand, Coler's and Sweet's devices look suspiciously like the parametric resonators Jean-Louis Naudin shows on his website. I reckon that both work on the same principles (if they do!) - very probably on the excitation of parametric resonance using the "natural" oscillation of magnets as an input/exciter signal. The additional rectification in Coler's magnet coils might exlain why the magnets in the VTA went out after a time while Coler always claimed they would not lose their effect - the rectification re-magnetises the cores. I suspect that Hendershot's converter is another variation - remember he used a bar magnet/coil assembly resembling an electric buzzer in his circuits. Could it be that the circuit around the basket coils and homebuilt cap is teh parametric resonator, while the excitation comes from the buzzer? Interestingly, Hendershot's original *pre-converter device* incorporates electromagnets which look, for all practical purposes, like the variable coil Jean-Louis shows on his website, but lacks teh homebuilt cap which has turned the hair of many an FE-reasearcher white. So the goal might lie in a skillful combination of parametric resonance and magnetic self-oscillation. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 08:21:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA30502; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:21:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:21:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34AE8FA8.4DBF@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:21:12 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VRS-Q1.0.PS7.uLchq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zack Widup wrote: > I built Hodowanec's device shortly after it first appeared in > Radio-Electronics magazine. I built a version with a large value of > capacitance (4700 uF) and another with a smaller capacitance, I think > around 0.1 or 1 uF. The one with the larger capacitance produced more > gradual voltage changes which could be recorded on a strip chart. The > one with the smaller capacitance produced various audio tones as output. > > I noticed over weeks of operation that there would be "calm periods" > where there was little change in the output of either, and then there > were "perturbations" that would last for several hours or even days, with > wild changes in the outputs of each. Have you tested to see if your Barkhausen Effect detector responds in the same way as the Hodowanec devices? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 11:52:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26471; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AE8866.EF9E6475@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 19:50:26 +0100 From: Robert Dowse Reply-To: redesign@pavilion.co.uk Organization: R.E.Designs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: What ARE Scalars? was: "Scalar" Detectors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JFw1J1.0.UT6.aRfhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HackEd wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Bob Paddock wrote: > > > > > >identical audio CD's, bath one with scalar waves, then > > >see if they sound different... (I've never tried this) > > > > Don't waste your time on this CD aspect of things. Digital > > Audio as used in CD's doesn't work in any way that treating > > > Obviously plastic-coded CD data can't be affected by Scalar waves.... Hi All, Don't be so sure! There are differences ANY ONE can hear between a normal audio 'aluminium backed' CD and a copy of same recorded onto a 'gold backed' read write CD both played back on a STANDARD grade (ie hundreds NOT thousands worth) player. The recording sounds better and more like real instruments!!! (Probably due to less error correction needed). Several years ago I encountered half inch square sticky backed foils which you could place judiciously all over your audio equipment and improvements in sound rather like after high pressure is released when you yawn or 'pop' your ears in an airplane. All of a sudden you can hear clearly. The unsettling thing was that the effect kept on happening each time a new foil was placed!!! Note the foils were a plastic and metal film, rather like magnetic tape. A bottle of fluid and a brush was also available which we tried for Brontosaurous sized effects. And get this....you could treat the vacuum cleaner or whatever, in another room and still keep on getting, over and over, big jumps in improvements!!!! I'm not prone to stupidity and the explanation we settled on was that our perceptions WERE being altered by the foils - they acted as local earth points for local stray static fields. We were 'hearing' those fields being changed and it was the changes which sounded better/clearer. Note that plastics WILL react to static fields. Peter Belt was the fellow flogging the stuff, he wanted a million pounds for the secret. Interestingly he also tried the idea on people in offices with flourecent lights and computor monitors, they reported feeling better and less tired. So I conclude that scalar waves, if they exist could affect our perceptions BOTH audio and visual. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 12:20:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA32657; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:20:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:20:27 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:20:10 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Nasa's Antigravity Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"xH4Ip1.0.6-7.8sfhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Nasa's Antigravity Machine Popular Mechanics 03-JAN-98 By Jim Wilson * What goes up must come down. Well, maybe not. Later this month, NASA researchers hope to conduct an experiment that could determine if the force of gravity might someday be adjusted, like the volume of a radio. The space agency says that turning down the gravity in the immediate vicinity of a rocket would enable future spacecraft to roam the galaxy by using the tug of distant planets and stars. Scientists have historically dismissed talk of anti-gravity machines as utter nonsense. But at a rare, closed-door conference at NASA's Lewis Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio, scientists representing major universities, national weapons laboratories, defense contractors and the corporate research and development community gathered to hear a detailed account of the space agency's progress in attempting to build a machine that once seemed beyond the bounds of possibility. In a surprising departure from its, long-standing policy of openness, NASA did not invite the press to the conference. However, after, interviews with attendees, Popular Mechanics has learned that a group of researchers at NASA's Marshall Manned Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, has nearly completed building a device that could make it possible to reduce gravitational attractions in its immediate vicinity. Part of the reason for the secrecy is that the very thought of such a machine defies conventional scientific wisdom. To understand why, it's helpful to know there are two complementary but not entirely compatible explanations for gravity. Isaac Newton, the first physicist, described gravity as an attraction between two masses (see illustration at top of page). Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity suggests mass actually causes space-time to warp around it. Imagine, for instance, the indentation created by placing a bowling ball on a soft bed. Both theories explain why apples fall from trees. Scientists consider Einstein's theory superior because it explains also why light--which has no mass--appears to bend in strong gravitational fields. Light, as the theory goes, follows the mass-induced curve in space-time (see illustration on opposite page). Viewing gravity this way makes it more of a feature of the universe. It is for this reason that scientists consider the idea antigravity device preposterous. Well, most scientists, anyway. Ron Koczor, a researcher at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, who co-authored a paper on the Huntsville laboratory's gravity modification device that was presented at the conference, picks up the story. "In 1992, Dr. Eugene Podkletnov of Tampere University, Finland, published the results of his experiment with high-temperature ceramic superconductors," Koczor says. "He devised an experiment in which a disc of superconducting material was magnetically levitated and rotated at high speed, up to several thousand rpm, in the presence of an external magnetic field. In the course of the tests, Podkletnov noted that objects above the rotating disk showed a variable but measurable loss of weight, from less than .5% to about 2%. He had no explanation," explains Koczor. Podkletnov collected data from his experiments for nearly four years and compiled it in a paper that was accepted for publication in the prestigious Journal of Physics. But the paper never appeared. Several days before its scheduled publication in the fall of 1996, Podkletnov told his story to the London Sunday Telegraph. Other reporters attempting to confirm the story learned that one of Podkletnov's co-authors claimed to have never worked on the project. Podkletnov withdrew his paper and returned to the faculty of the Moscow Chemistry Science Research Centre. For many journalists, the situation was beginning to look like the cold fusion debacle. They quickly backed off from the story. Not everyone was dissuaded by Podkletnov's refusal to publish his work. Seven years earlier, Ning Li, a theorist who worked with NASA's Marshall center, had developed a theory suggesting that a superconductor rotated in a strong magnetic field could disrupt the gravitational force in its immediate vicinity. Three of her papers were subsequently published by major scientific journals. Currently a senior scientist on the research faculty of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, she has been helping to build the superconducting disc for the Marshall antigravity device for the past year. Whitt Brantley, the NASA-designated spokesman for the experiment who also is a member of the antigravity project, says the space agency's scientists decided last year to try to duplicate Podkletnov's machine by looking over his earlier research and exchanging information with him by telephone and e-mail. "Each time we contact him there seems to be more detail. It's sort of like chasing something," says Brantley. NASA isn't sure its antigravity machine, which is 90% complete, will work. At the moment, the biggest problem is building the fragile superconducting disc, which is, in fact, made of two discs, explains Brantley. One is made of metal that can be levitated in a magnetic field. On top of it is a composite made of superconducting materials. This assembly is housed in a 20-in.-dia. column that stands about 4 ft. tall. At the start of the experiment, it will be filled with liquid helium or nitrogen, which cools the apparatus to minus-400 [degrees] F. Only then is the disc set into motion. If the machine performs as Podkletnov claims, delicate instruments will show a diminution of gravity's tug. Brantley says researchers originally saw a slight gravity shielding effect when they placed instrumentation above a smaller, stationary disc. It turned out to be the result of the magnetic field. Adding ordinary 1/2-in. iron plates removed this anomaly. Some critics contend that if Podkletnov had taken a similar precaution, the effects that he observed would have likewise disappeared. Most physicists believe that when NASA flips the switch on its gravity modification experiment, absolutely nothing will happen. Then again, it could start the countdown to a bold new era in space exploration. Article Dated 02-JAN-98 COPYRIGHT 1997 Hearst Corporation. All rights reserved. Further reproduction prohibited. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 13:54:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12684; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:54:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:54:41 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34AEDB16.5A04@dove.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:58 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"EyLEw3.0.463.WEhhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Glen - > Rick - did you determine the value of 4,700 > uFD for any reason - or were they just in your > junk box / off the shelf / highest you had to > hand ? High-ish and cheap. I bought them together so they'd likely be from the same batch and about the same age. I wanted a high value because I knew that without a high-impedence read I'd be draining the caps enough during the few seconds of contact to skew the curve. Found that out by going through the capacitor drawer and trying various values out. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 14:15:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16550; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:15:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:15:34 -0800 Message-ID: <34AED430.4E4A@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:13:36 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Nasa's Antigravity Machine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cbqia2.0.L24.3Yhhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ralpha et al! Finally, NASA is beginning to get the point....gravity is adjustable. Now let's see what approaches they take to resolving it and how much of that is shared with the public. At least its a start.....unless we beat'em to it.....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 14:37:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15615; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:37:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:37:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801032236.RAA21106@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: weird technology [was Re: What ARE Scalars?] Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:49:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-ktgD2.0.tp3.Oshhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Robert Dowse > A bottle of fluid and a brush was also available which we tried for > Brontosaurous sized effects. And get this....you could treat the vacuum > cleaner or whatever, in another room and still keep on getting, over and over, > big jumps in improvements!!!! Is it as simple as foil? That might take the wind out of the "Stumbaugh Plug" (check out http://www.old-mage.com/Alientec.htm) at $100 a piece! > I'm not prone to stupidity and the explanation we settled on was that our > perceptions WERE being altered by the foils - they acted as local earth points > for local stray static fields. We were 'hearing' those fields being changed > and it was the changes which sounded better/clearer. Note that plastics WILL > react to static fields. Yes they will, and there are people doing some interesting things with that. See Dielectrokinetic Laboratories at http://www.dklabs.com -- now we know what the Star Trek people are doing when they scan a ship for "life signs"! > Peter Belt was the fellow flogging the stuff, he wanted a million pounds for > the secret. Interestingly he also tried the idea on people in offices with > flourecent lights and computor monitors, they reported feeling better and less tired. BSRF sells expensive (though not nearly as expensive as Stumbaugh!) secret disks which are supposed to be stuck to your computer monitor, or your microwave, or your fuse box, and reduce fatigue. -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 15:51:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00592; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:51:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:51:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980103174734.00c8b7f8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:47:34 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: <34AD3411.1C25@t-online.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102111705.00c6023c@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cVuDi.0.39.Byihq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 19:38 1/2/98 +0100, Juergen Heinzerling wrote: >Uh, this goes deeper than I intended it to go ;-) Anyway, I did not >argue against basic induction theory, which is useful and not flawed >IMO. What I meant is the interactive part of the process. A transformer >core is simply a short-circuited AC electromagnet, ie. one that has no >airgap. I understand...the magnetic path, the core, is closed on itself >So the magnetic filed lines will be drawn inside the core to the >point of complete magnetic saturation. Not exactly...the orientation of the coils are such that the magnetic streamlines would already pass through the core. Coils orientated in orthogonal axis on the same core, may share some leakage flux, and effect on another by influencing the permeability of the core, but they do not act as the windings of a transformer. >If you hold a piece of iron against the core, the magnetic attraction >amounts to nil (stray losses only). Yes, the piece of iron is attracted to the stray, or leakage, flux.... This is perpendicular to the normal coupling between coil and core. > So how would the field lines *know* >that there is a so-and-so winding that wants them to creep out of the >core and induce a current? We could see it from the viewpoint of >impedance, where the load pulls the field lines from the core. They don't have to jump out...the maximum field density in a solenoid is at the very center of the winding. In most transformer designs, the core already passes through this point. The streamlines are parallel to the winding axis. Which is also parallel to the core. Your test with a bit of iron proves this. If you were to insert the bit of iron into a gap in the core you would find a strong attraction there. > Still, >the field lines won't jump from the core - they serve as a means of >transporting flux insided the core, but not for inducing current in the >secondary. I'm not saying the transformer doesn't work, I'm only saying >that the form of interaction is uncertain. I disagree, the flux in the transformer core, and that induced in, or by, any winding are one in the same. This is easy to prove by experiment...when saturation of the core commences, and it cannot support an increasing flux density, the transformer ceases to function. Programs that model the magnetic circuit are now available to designers of wound magnetics, and the mechanics seem to be well understood. >> but that's a much smaller part of the losses though. Winding >> the coils on opposite legs of the core, or over one another, >> does effect the mutual inductance, due to the relationship of >> each coil to the core, and this effects the leakage inductance. > >Still, it doesn't change the basic transformer ration, although the >induction is not taking place in an orderly manner. I see no reason why it should. Consider that you have not altered the relationship between the streamlines in the core and the windings...if you do that, it will no longer act like a transformer. >> >Why is it then that a >> >near-lossless wireless power transfer *over a nonmagnetic medium* is >> >deemed impossible, when it is actually proposed by the laws of >> >induction? >Well, I did not make myself clear here: I meant over a considerable >distance, not in a transformer. Traditional EM theory explains this quite well... There have been many papers written on loop antennas, for transmitting, and receiving... But this is not a transformer. The loops are coupled by an EM wave. Not the streamlines of the near field. >Well, 180 would cancel it out completely - so why would we need more? I >can't see why a larger phaseshift should matter if we are concerned with >transfer of power and not information. Yes, I was in a rush, and I didn't phrase that correctly. They would begin to cancel at 90 degrees. Even so, the phase shift across the winding is at most some minute fraction of a degree. Remember, it's the current, and not the voltage, that we are concerned with here. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 16:43:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04749; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:43:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:43:32 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:42:57 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Questions on exotic phenomena Resent-Message-ID: <"TgY8-.0.6A1.oijhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Superconductors: --------------------- Colorado Superconductor Inc. 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COLUMBUS, OH 43212-2238 (614-486-0261) ------------------------ - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 19:37:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02872; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:37:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:37:03 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Bifilar Waveguide" and PAGD Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:34:27 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01BD1446.716A4CA0@ts002d09.mer-id.concentric.net> Lines: 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"WsMc53.0.Yi.TFmhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Paul Brown wrote: >What is an Abnormal Glow Discharge? If it is a newly discovered >phenomena, then clarify it so that others with enough competence may >develop it into applied technology. Look at http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/scalar/scalar.htm For a link to the standard data sheet definitions of Abnormal Glow. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 3 23:43:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11025; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:43:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:43:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:37:56 -0600 To: Peter Nielsen From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199801030035.LAA27126@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1UpE93.0.Ai2.Fsphq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Peter... I've cc'd my reply to the list, since this device may be of general interest. So far I've not had any luck finding the article on the simple magnetometer from RF Design magazine... but I did find one of the sensors that I constructed from it, and some notes. In fact, I have the sensor running right now. :) The core is a small ferrite sleeve from Fair Rite Inc. (I have an envelop with some samples and a part number that's gone missing, but I'm sure I can figure this out from the catalog.) It's dimensions are approximately 0.1 inches O.D. and about 0.375 L. Just a guess, since I slobbered RTV all over the thing after I wound it. The material...hmmm, 64 or 77 ?? Hopefully I'll be able to find either that article. If I remember correctly, it included an thorough explanation of the design parameters. This data is from the notes that I found with the sensor.... Primary: Five turns of #32 AWG magnet wire through the sleeve. This is the driven winding. The measured inductance is 102uH, which is resonated close to 100Khz by 0.0235uF (two 0.047 uF film caps connected in series) Secondary: 200 turns of #32 AWG around the body of the sleeve. This is the monitored winding. The measured inductance is 428uH, which is resonated close to 200Khz by a 0.0015uF film cap. The drive is 5Vrms sine wave, of about 100Khz, from a Waveforms model 512 oscillator. The drive level is not critical, but I had to adjust the frequency slightly for peak output. I'm using an HP 400E AC Voltmeter to monitor the secondary. The output is now at 0.04Vrms. By adjusting the position of the sensor in relation to the earth's magnetic field, I can vary the output between 0.020Vrms and 0.13Vrms. This device damn simple, orthogonal windings on a small ferrite sleeve, and it works very well. I've enjoyed using it to watch changes in the earth's field strength. When magnetosphere is disturbed, the fluctuations can be amazingly fast for something so large I'll continue looking for the article. It's here... somewhere! Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 00:29:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17582; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:29:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:29:39 -0800 Message-ID: <34AF6414.441C@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 02:27:32 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Monopole Magnets References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AtkGA2.0.VI4.kXqhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I recently was given two most peculiar magnets. They each consist of a 1" diameter piece of steel shaft in the form of two short cylinders about 1" long. What is peculiar, the inventor claims he has discovered how to make a true magnetic monopole, either South or North, your option. There is a small hole about 3/8" all the way through the center of each of these cylinder magnets. When you take these two pieces of steel and place the flat ends near each other, they attract as would happen with unlike poles N/S. If you flip one of the cylinders over the opposite flat end will also attract. The cylinders will stick to each other no matter where you touch them. There is almost imperceptible weakening in the attraction when one of the faces is brought to another, as if there is a hint of like polarity there (which would weaken the attraction by a very slight repulsion). It is most puzzling. What I would like to know, can anyone come up practical uses for a Monopole magnet since the inventor hasn't been able to find anything? Normally, N/N - repels S/S - repels N/S - attracts Normally a magnet has both a N and a S pole. These magnets appear to be one pure North pole and one pure South pole. I plan to test to see if the 3/8" hole through the center of each cylinder might be oppositely polarized to the outside surface area. The closest I have seen is a faux monopole as patented by Herb Wachspress as a toy. He places cylinder or bar magnets on the opposite ends of 3 axes, X, Y and Z so that you are using 6 magnets, all with a like polarity facing toward the center of this X,Y,Z sphere....when covered, it appears as a pure monopole on the outside of the sphere. Your constructive comments......are appreciated. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 00:51:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05227; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:51:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:49:45 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Monopole Magnets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"QvviU2.0.aH1.Wsqhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: J. Decker wrote: :I recently was given two most peculiar magnets. They each consist of :a 1" diameter piece of steel shaft in the form of two short cylinders :about 1" long. :What is peculiar, the inventor claims he has discovered how to make a :true magnetic monopole, either South or North, your option. :It is most puzzling. What I would like to know, can anyone come up :practical uses for a Monopole magnet since the inventor hasn't been able :to find anything? The "classical" application for subatomic particle monopoles is a DC transformer- seed the core of a transformer with them, feed the primary DC, and as the monopoles "fall" in the induced MMF, they induce current in a secondary winding. I don't imagine that will work with your new toys... That aside, try dusting them with fine iron filings, or get one of those flat "magic magnetic window" thingies to determine whether they actually have small, "hidden" poles. Also, try levitating them over a large ring magnet. They shouldn't flip over like a dipole magnet will- kind of a Levitron effect without spin. On second thought, try winding a large, hollow coil on a donut-shaped form; primary and secondary, put the suspect monopoles inside, feed the primary DC, watch the magnets whiz around, and look for induced voltage in the secondary...who knows? Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 05:05:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08250; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:05:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:05:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34AFA422.38DD@cmet.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:02:07 -0500 From: Felix Meyer Reply-To: ce3cwf@cmet.net Organization: CE3CWF X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT-bw (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qXNnp2.0.n02.oZuhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Magnetometer: ============= Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hello Peter... > > I've cc'd my reply to the list, since this device > may be of general interest. > > So far I've not had any luck finding the article on the > simple magnetometer ... Dear Jack, yes, this instrument is very interesting, but without diagram I could not understand the construction. Do not have the article you mention, so it would be vey helpful if you could post a circuit diagram of its construction. many thanks Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 05:06:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17883; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:05:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:05:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AF5AF1.412F@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:48:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102111705.00c6023c@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19980103174734.00c8b7f8@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"2toyH3.0.IN4.fauhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > >So the magnetic filed lines will be drawn inside the core to the > >point of complete magnetic saturation. > > Not exactly...the orientation of the coils are such that the > magnetic streamlines would already pass through the core. Oh, what a good row;-). However, I have the feeling that Jack is treating a transformer coil as a black box, while I'm concentating on the direct interaction. So let's get back to the basics: Faraday's basic generator experiment showed how a magnet can *seemingly* induce electron flow in a wire/coil. This led to the basic assumption that three components are needed to generate electricity by magnetism: 1) a wire/coil 2) a magnet whose fieldlines cross 1) perpendiculary 3) relative motion between 1) and 2) To this day, the explanation of this phenomenon has not changed: The current is induced because the relative movement of the fieldlines influences the electrons in the coil/wire. This explanation might suck, but it is still given in any textbook. Now mind that we don't need a coil for this experiment - a single wire would work, too. So the generation of a current is not depending on the flow through the center of a coil, but a direct interaction with the wire. Now in a transformer, the relative movement is replaced by the swing of the AC primary voltage. But as the core is closed, the fieldlines cannot reach the copper. So how could they possibly move its electrons? You could replace the coil by a single, straight wire across the core, and still it would work (never tried this???). So it does not depend on the coil's properties of self-induction. Now try to repeat Farday's basic generator experiment with a magnet whose airgap has been short-circuited. If we forget about stray effect, no current will be generated. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 06:36:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16674; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:35:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:35:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199801041435.MAA08612@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: ce3cwf@cmet.net Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:37:35 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34AFA422.38DD@cmet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"l-thW1.0.R44.Avvhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:02:07 -0500 > From: Felix Meyer > Reply-to: ce3cwf@cmet.net > Organization: CE3CWF > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? > Magnetometer: > ============= > > Jack DeMule wrote: > > > > Hello Peter... > > > > I've cc'd my reply to the list, since this device > > may be of general interest. > > > > So far I've not had any luck finding the article on the > > simple magnetometer ... > > Dear Jack, > > yes, this instrument is very interesting, but without diagram > I could not understand the construction. Do not have the article > you mention, so it would be vey helpful if you could > post a circuit diagram of its construction. > > many thanks > Felix > Try Don Lancaster's file MUSE104.PDF. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 07:19:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25349; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:19:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:19:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980104091731.00c68898@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 09:17:31 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? In-Reply-To: <34AFA422.38DD@cmet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qwuZV3.0.yB6.yXwhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello... At 10:02 1/4/98 -0500, Felix Meyer wrote: >yes, this instrument is very interesting, but without diagram >I could not understand the construction. Do not have the article >you mention, so it would be vey helpful if you could >post a circuit diagram of its construction. I've placed a poorly rendered drawing of the sensor, and a scribble of a schematic, at.... At the moment I can't connect to this site through my local ISP. :-/ When AOL fixes what ever is wrong, you will find it there. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 07:36:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27707; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:36:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:36:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980104093419.0069d348@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 09:34:19 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? In-Reply-To: <199801041435.MAA08612@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> References: <34AFA422.38DD@cmet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vdUgK.0.im6.hnwhq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:37 1/4/98 -3, Marcelo Puhl wrote: >Try Don Lancaster's file MUSE104.PDF. The oscillating detector described in that document is an update of a design from the mid-seventies that used a core made from mu-metal strips. The amorphous (metglas) material may work better, but it's harder to obtain. The device described in RF Design magazine is a crude version of the flux gate device that is also described in Don's article. But it's easier to build, (it uses a very cheap, and easy to obtain core) and It's sensitivity is much better than the oscillating detector I built using mu-metal. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 08:49:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11621; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:48:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:48:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34AFD7BB.3BD6@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:40:59 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Monopole Magnets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KYoHy1.0.Tr2.srxhq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Mark! Mark L. Ferguson wrote; > Also, try levitating them over a large ring magnet. They shouldn't > flip over like a dipole magnet will- kind of a Levitron effect without > spin. That is what Wachspress patented toy does...he uses EM from a variety of coils to move the floating magnet side to side and up and down....that's good, thanks... Good idea -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 11:47:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06796; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:46:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:46:06 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:36:01 -0500 Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Message-ID: <19980104.143854.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <34AE5982.2E85@t-online.de> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-14,16-18 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"O19Nd3.0.1g1.wR-hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:30:10 +0100 Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) writes: >I suspect that Hendershot's converter is another variation - remember >he >used a bar magnet/coil assembly resembling an electric buzzer in his >circuits. Could it be that the circuit around the basket coils and >homebuilt cap is teh parametric resonator, while the excitation comes >from the buzzer? Interestingly, Hendershot's original *pre-converter >device* incorporates electromagnets which look, for all practical >purposes, like the variable coil Jean-Louis shows on his website, but >lacks teh homebuilt cap which has turned the hair of many an >FE-reasearcher white. Saw some similarities myself. Have a drawing of the Basic Hendershot device, but I wasn't aware of the "pre-converter" device. Any info...? Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 16:00:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09463; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:00:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:00:33 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:00:11 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Resent-Message-ID: <"3ZHQW1.0.bJ2.UA2iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: so, I finally took the time to track down a thread, which I had heard about in sci.electronics.design, entitled "ZENER DIODE OSCILLATION." It's huge (226 messages), it started on July 10 and continued for a solid month. I haven't read the whole thing, but I did manage to grab a lot of the interesting stuff (29 messages) and put it in a file on my server (http://www.shore.net/~rmuha/physics/zenerosc.txt). It's big (181K), 67 printed pages of fascinating material. Apparently, started it out as a minor flame war [snip from "Mike" who originated the thread:] >Get off it - produce calculations, demonstrable theory, explanations that >work - or get off this newsgroup. [and later] > The people who report sightings of oscillating zeners claim it > was some time ago - before they learned much about electronics, > and before they should have learned it is highly unlikely. > > Apparently, they never did. Thus, they are unable to separate > fact from fiction, and are good candidates for theories on UFO's, > the Bermuda Triangle, and the lost city of Atlantis. > > That they do not know such a dividing line exists leave room for > doubt on the credibility of their postings. The fact they cross > the line into fantasy leaves little doubt about their competence. > > [...] > > Give me one URL, one reference, one app note, or one sample - > that's all I asked for in the beginning, and that's all I ask for > now. > > Failing that, it's a safe bet the only place oscillating zeners > exist is as power sources for UFO's. but quickly became a research project after somebody decided to try an experiment: [snip from Tony Williams:] > All those being sceptical about 1001% reliance on computer > simulation of circuitswere right.... > > I just tried it on the bench and it looks as though a zener > diode does have a negative-resistance region(s) at low > currents. > > Setup:- Variable supply, 0-28v, uAmmeter, 22k, zener. Scope > across the zener (79C10). > > Results:- Caution, the oscillations were difficult to lock > for any length of time, so I had to snatch approx > view and measurements. > > 1. 0.5uA (yes 1/2uA!) oscillation started, 60mV pk-pk, -ve > switch followed by ramp upwards. Classic relaxation > oscillator picture... volts increase to a region of > neg-R, sudden discharge, ramps back up to the neg-R region > again. > > 2. 80uA, same shape, 100mV pk-pk approx. > > 3. 100uA, difficult to see, but flat sections top and bottom, > >100mV pk-pk, going squarish maybe. > > 4. 160/170uA oscillation getting intermittant/disappearing. > > 5. >170uA no oscillation. At which point Winfield Hill, a research scientist at the Rowland Institute here in Cambridge and co-author of "The Art of Electronics," joined in. [snip from Winfield Hill:] >Below, the results of a few hours spent writing up a few minutes of > observation yesterday! > > The first zener diode I chose showed an incredibly strong relaxation- > oscillation effect, just as Tony described. It was a Motorola 1N5245B > with manufacturing code 939. This is a 15V 5% 1/2W zener with a small > opaque-grey glass body. Interestingly, the next diode in the 1N5245B > drawer showed little or no effect, so I went back to the first one for > a detailed examination. > > The amplitude of the spikes increased as I increased the current, > peaking around 50uA, where I took some more detailed measurements. > > /| 1N5245B at 50uA > 200mV FS / | > /| / | /| > /| / | /| / | /| / | /| > / | /| / | / | / | /| / | / |/ | /| _____ > | / |/ | /| / |/| / |/ | / |/ | / |/ | > |/ | / |/ |/|/ |/ | /|/ | > |/ |/ | > / > scope trace, continuous events, 10us FS 14.41 V > average value > > Spike charge and energy. At low currents, say below 5uA, this diode > seemed happy enough in its (avalanche) discharge, but at higher > currents the spike events would start, but in a curious way. > > The charge slope, which is 140mV/us, implies a circuit capacitance > (zener and cable) of about 314pF, but measuring this by adding a > 1000pF 2% cap in parallel showed an actual effective value of 217pF > (much higher than Motorola's typical values). For example, at 50uA, > apparently a steady non-event current of about 20uA is always flowing > and attempts to force higher currents through the zener are ignored, > but for no more than a hundred nanoseconds, or so. First the ignored > 30uA steadily charges the capacitance to a higher voltage. Then > suddenly some location inside the zener aggressively avalanches with > a discharge step ranging from -10 to -200mV, taking less than 10ns > (the limit of the scope I was using). > > Electrons per event. We see that the discharge suddenly grabs up to > 315pF * 205mV = 65pC from the capacitance, implying up to 6mA currents > and 400 million electrons in the event. The discharge events average > 90 million electrons, and few are less than 1/2 that. > > Spike period and statistics. The event-discharge time intervals are > quite regular for my diode, typically from 0.4 to 1.0us (0.2 to 1.5us > min/max). Observing with a 10us window, I _always_ count from 12 to > 15 events. This is 13.5 +/= 1.5 events/10us and is not at all like > the 13.5 +/- 7.2 (two sigma) we'd expect from random statistics. > This is more like a relaxation oscillator with a noisy threshold and > a noisy discharge step, and less like a chaotic or random process. > > [...] > > In their older literature, Motorola has an interesting voltage-noise > vs zener-voltage curve, which shows a strong peak near 15 to 20V, with > a noise density of 2500 uV/Hz^1/2 at 15V. Yes, 2.5mV - Hah! That works > out to 2.5V rms for a 1MHz bandwidth - I better recheck that number! [and] > >> Tony, I came across some very interesting remarks in Chapter 4 of the >> material in the Motorola TVS/Zener databook (1994 edition, page 11-18): >> >> "Between the minimum currents shown in Figure 4 and the >> leakage currents, there is the "knee" region. The avalanche >> mechanism may not occur simultaneously across the entire area >> of the P-N junction, but first at one microscopic site, then >> at an increasing number of sites as further voltage is applied. >> This action can be accounted for by the "microplasma discharge" >> theory and correlates with several breakdown characteristics. >> "An exaggerated view of the knee region is shown in Figure 5. >> As can be seen, the breakdown or avalanche current does not >> increase suddenly, but consists of smoothly rising current >> versus increments each with a sudden break point. >> "At the lowest point, the zener resistance (slope of the >> curve) would test high, but as current continues to climb, >> the resistance decreases. It is as though each discharge site >> has a high resistance with each succeeding site being in >> parallel until the total resustance is very small. >> "In addition to the resistive effects, the micro plasmas may >> act as noise generators. The exact process of manufacturing >> affects how high the noise will be, but in any event there will >> be some noise at the knee, and it will diminish considerably as >> current is allowed to increase." [and later] > > Well, the smooth curve of a zener knee is what started this > > particular thread. We all think (thought!) 'leakage' caused it. > > At this point we have an interesting picture of silicon-junction > avalanche breakdown, i.e. zener diode operation. It's an exotic > picture, not one usually put forward for our understanding of the use > of zener diodes. > > We're told in a series of papers in Physical Review by K.G. McKay, A.G. > Chenoweth, D.J. Rose, P.A. Wolff and S.L. Miller, in the mid-1950's, > that the junction current is not constant, but consists of current > through small microplasmas, turning on and off at different microscopic > locations within the junction. When on, each microplasma runs at full > strength, typically from 50 to 100uA in the junctions they used. > > Following Tony's approach of measuring current rather than voltage, I > set out to look for this in my Motorola 1N5245B test zener. Motorola > provides an extensive characterization of this series of zeners, > "general data 500mW" page 6-2 in the 1994 TVS/Zener book, including 18 > figures and 12 tables, but you won't find any information about this > very fundamental operating parameter for zener diodes. > >[...] > >It worked very well. The diode was quiet most of the time, but erupted >into microplasma discharges often enough to consume 17uA on average. > >The uniformity of microplasma currents was very apparent. For my >diode, they all were about 40uA. Therefore the total zener current, a >function how many microplasmas were running at once, was always some >multiple of 40uA. Of course, since my average supplied current was >only 17uA, the higher 40*N currents could only be sustained for a small >fraction of the time, and most of the time the diode would be off, as >expected. It's this aspect about which the average zener user is >unaware, myself included a month ago. Could this be used as a scalar detector? Running a diode in this way seems quite similar to running a neon bulb in starvation mode (isn't that another name for 'abnormal glow region'?), just at the point of turn-on. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 16:07:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12154; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:06:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:06:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34B023C7.B1F1D30@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:05:27 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Monopole Magnets References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> <34AF6414.441C@keelynet.com> <34AF5ABA.7EED6926@ihug.co.nz> <34AFD8A2.6B0B@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KmuQE2.0.Vz2.IG2iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yes a DC current, I am not sure it will work but it seems quite plausible, Also if it just orbits the wire and does not rotate it may not induce the wire. as seen from above: o -wire electrons going down (high current) N -north mono-pole (anti-clockwise orbit) Jerry wrote: > Hi John! > > I'll try that with the magnet suspended from a string...I assume you mean > the wire has a current flowing through it, DC? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 17:14:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28121; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:14:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:14:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:12:16 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1eiyf.0.It6.bF3iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, ralph, All.... Ralph wrote: >Could this be used as a scalar detector? Running a diode in this way >seems quite similar to running a neon bulb in starvation mode (isn't >that another name for 'abnormal glow region'?), just at the point of >turn-on. Odd that this surprised anyone.... Using a starved zener as a source of "white" noise is as old as the hills. That drawing of the oscillation is a very familiar waveform. You will find that some small signal transistor E-B junctions, when reverse biased, work well in this application too. I don't know how valid any comparisons to the abnormal glow discharge of a neon bulb may be, but you bring up a good idea... If you built two such noise sources, and looked for a correlation in their outputs it might be interesting. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 17:27:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27107; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:26:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:59:39 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <7BDs0UQy8wHF092yn@csonline.net> References: <34AE5982.2E85@t-online.de> <19980104.143854.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <19980104.143854.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Lines: 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"0m4hu.0.Fd6.ER3iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3134 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>I suspect that Hendershot's converter is another variation - remember >>homebuilt cap is teh parametric resonator, while the excitation comes >>from the buzzer? Is there any arcing (Plasma) from that crude buzzer? That could be a source of potential energy...maybe... -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 17:27:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27193; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:26:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:10:56 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> Lines: 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qeuej.0.de6.OR3iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3135 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >So far I've not had any luck finding the article on the >simple magnetometer from RF Design magazine... "The Flux-Gate Magnetometer: A Very Sensitive ELF Magnetic Detector" by Peter Vizmuller. RF Design Mag. Jan 1994, pg 24 to 32. Also some other related ones: NASA LAR-13560, "Improved Flux-Gate Magnetometer"; made from Magnetics Inc 50086-2F, CD4060, LM324 and 2N3819. NASA NPO-19283, "Small Magnetometer", similar circuit but uses synchronous detection. Honeywell and Phillips both make VERY sensitive Magneto-resistors, if my bad memory serves me 40 ugauss for the Honeywell part. I had a Honeywell 3-Access evaluation unit for a few weeks based on these parts. A bit to sensitive for some things, walking in to the room with a magnetized screw driver would cause it to change. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 18:33:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06503; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:33:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:59:12 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> Lines: 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"iM_hE2.0.Vb1.wP4iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Odd that this surprised anyone.... Using a starved zener >as a source of "white" noise is as old as the hills. That >drawing of the oscillation is a very familiar waveform. You >will find that some small signal transistor E-B junctions, >when reverse biased, work well in this application too. >From E.E.Times March 11, 1991, "Bellcore experts make some noise". "Surprisingly, the noise occurring naturally in circuits does not have the required uniform statistical properties needed for a broad range of applications."..."For example, if you try to build noisy transistors, what you get is noise that falls off with the inverse of the frequency".... "A Previous design achieved limited success by amplifying the thermal background noise found in all transistors. That strategy worked to a degree, but ran up against two fundamental problems. Because a separate transistor and amplifier are required for each noise source, the design could only be scaled up by increasing the number of transistors and amplifiers in proportion to chip area....Also, nearby noise sources tended to correlate their output, a problem that only gets worse at higher circuit densities as the noise amplifiers crowd together." "We were naive in thinking that we could put high-gain amplifiers next to each other and not expect them to interact...The thermal fluctuations generate signals so small that amplifiers with gains of 1 million were required....No matter where you put an amplifier like that on a chip, in will pick up and amplify extraneous signals. The problem of tapping into natural noise sources really boils down to the fundamental problem of device isolation." They then shift to a discussion on how to solve the problem, and the solution paradoxically is to use the standard shift-register/XOR set up with some modifications. "....Even a moderate correlation between the output of two noise sources can foul the operation of randomly driven algorithms. Correlation indicates that while the output of each sources is effectively 'random,' the two sources are operating in concert because of some underlying link between them. In this case, the link is the common shift register." ..."Using natural sources of noise seems more satisfying intellectually. The course of this research seems a bit paradoxically - in the attempt to generate manageable noise, we ended up eliminating it from the design." -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 18:34:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06549; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:33:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:46:03 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> Lines: 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"XtXTn1.0.Ac1.4Q4iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>Could this be used as a scalar detector? Running a diode in this way >>seems quite similar to running a neon bulb in starvation mode (isn't >>that another name for 'abnormal glow region'?), just at the point of >>turn-on. > >Odd that this surprised anyone.... Using a starved zener >as a source of "white" noise is as old as the hills. That >drawing of the oscillation is a very familiar waveform. You >will find that some small signal transistor E-B junctions, >when reverse biased, work well in this application too. This is an excrept from an article on Bill's site http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/misiolek.txt ARICLE BY JOE MISIOLEK OF THE TVQ GROUP, POSTED TO KEELYNET 8/13/93 Keelynet message 1652, 1653 ------------------------------------------------------------------ This device is a variant of the non-linear junction type detectors. It has a few suprises that you will (hopefully) discover when you build it. ------------------------------------------------------------------ [snip] Theory of Operation: As you may well know, non-linear mediums will translate scalar EM. This can be exploited in most semi-conductors due to the highly non-linear junction region present where N and P type materials interface. We havethree such junctions in this detector. One junction in the LED and two in the phototransistor. WHen the LED is biased just enough to put it into 'starvation mode,' electrons begin their quantum tunneling across the junction. Scalar wavefronts passing through the junction translate into vector EM which couples with the tunneling electrons altering their spin and kinetic energy content. When the electrons find suitable quantum wells in the P type material they 'fall in' radiating their excess energy in the process. The photons emitted contain the scalar information which coupled to the electron during the tunneling process. This information is carried by the photo to the base of the photo- transistor where it is converted into a vector EM signal and sent to the scope for analysis. [snip] -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 19:07:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11935; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:07:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:07:03 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:05:52 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"-p_Q81.0.Kw2.Lv4iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 8:12 PM -0500 1/4/98, Jack DeMule wrote: >Hello, ralph, All.... > >Ralph wrote: > >>Could this be used as a scalar detector? Running a diode in this way >>seems quite similar to running a neon bulb in starvation mode (isn't >>that another name for 'abnormal glow region'?), just at the point of >>turn-on. > >Odd that this surprised anyone.... Using a starved zener >as a source of "white" noise is as old as the hills. That >drawing of the oscillation is a very familiar waveform. You >will find that some small signal transistor E-B junctions, >when reverse biased, work well in this application too. > >I don't know how valid any comparisons to the abnormal >glow discharge of a neon bulb may be, but you bring up a right, just what is this 'microplasma' anyway? it also reminds me of that scalar experiment (found at Bill B's) involving an LED in starvation mode. (Bob Paddock just posted a reference to this) perhaps the same mechanism is involved? btw, I forgot to report that a photoelectric effect was also observed. light on the diode tended to reduce the oscillation. >good idea... If you built two such noise sources, and looked >for a correlation in their outputs it might be interesting. according to another note that Bob P just posted, noisy diodes due tend to correlate. so perhaps the correlation is due to their relativly close positions? so perhaps the experiment should compare diode output at various physical separations? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 21:28:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14454; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:27:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:27:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980104232550.00d7c280@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:25:50 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LMWhp3.0.lX3.Ez6iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob... At 20:10 1/4/98 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: >"The Flux-Gate Magnetometer: A Very Sensitive ELF Magnetic >Detector" by Peter Vizmuller. RF Design Mag. Jan 1994, pg >24 to 32. Thanks, Bob! What that was fast. I was still looking through the RF design mags that I've accumulated I didn't think the article was quite that old. :-/ I've seen the NASA articles but haven't built those devices. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 21:50:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20521; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:50:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:50:36 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:50:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801050550.VAA11857@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Resent-Message-ID: <"n381E.0.X05.gI7iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Jack and all, At 01:37 AM 1/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >So far I've not had any luck finding the article on the >simple magnetometer from RF Design magazine... but I did >find one of the sensors that I constructed from it, and >some notes. In fact, I have the sensor running right now. >:) > >I'll continue looking for the article. >It's here... somewhere! > If someone finds the article, I would be interested in reading it too. It would be a useful addition to the flip-coil one. BTW, my experiments with air core solenoids show that the maximum field is centered in the bore axially, but is a local minimum radially. It is maximum at the walls. This is why I cannot levitate steel balls on the axis. I don't know how much different this radial flux distribution is for ferromagnetic cores. In a toroid, I think the maximum flux is at the inner radius, at the mimimum magnetic path. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 22:18:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27364; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:17:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:17:54 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 06:17:05 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34b35e7d.17734382@mail.eisa.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PDODk2.0.Sh6.Gi7iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:00:11 -0500, ralph muha wrote: [snip] >> Electrons per event. We see that the discharge suddenly grabs up to >> 315pF * 205mV = 65pC from the capacitance, implying up to 6mA currents >> and 400 million electrons in the event. The discharge events average >> 90 million electrons, and few are less than 1/2 that. [snip] This sounds like about the right number of electrons for one of Ken Shoulders EVs. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 23:38:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16145; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:38:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:38:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980105153734.0070bd1c@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:37:34 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Questions on exotic phenomena In-Reply-To: <01BD17DD.415D80A0@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DXIIO1.0.6y3.-t8iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kyle Randall Mcallister wrote: >...if it is spun simultaneously at at high speed on 3 axes, >each axis being perpendicular at 90 degrees to the others? Can't be done. A rigid body can only have one spin axis at any given moment. That axis may be slanted with respect to an arbitary x,y,z basis, but still it is only one axis. If you apply a torque to change the direction of the spin axis then that axis can be considered to be turning at some speed about a second axis usually termed the precession axis which is at right angles with the spin axis. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 4 23:39:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16253; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:39:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980105153804.00705050@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:38:04 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves In-Reply-To: <34ACFE6B.414@t-online.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102143940.0072d264@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102192251.006aa048@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8oSCl3.0.qz3.Qu8iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: >John Winterflood wrote: >> This shearing motion is the essence of transverse waves and >> that is why a fluid will not propagate them. (Viscosity >> may allow them to be propagated for a short distance >> but air doesn't have much viscosity). > >Well, they are clearly existing at the border of two different fluid >media - the circular wave patterns on water surfaces are in fact >transversal waves. Indeed. The restoring force is not due to shear strength of the fluid though. The restoring force is gravity - and these waves are called gravity waves (the biggish ones at least - the restoring force for small ripples is dominated by surface tension I believe). That is why the people in gravitational wave research have to call their hoped for waves "gravitational" rather than "gravity" waves. >Obviously, the borders between media are important >for wave propagation - this is true for acoustics so it should be >considered as a possibility for EM. This was a main area of investigation for early EM experiments. Unfortunately I can't remember the players names (probably Fresnel) but they made careful measurements of the intensities of light that was reflected from and refracted through an interface between air and a medium with large refractive index. At a shallow angle and with the polarisation of the waves arranged so that the electric vector was not parallel to the surface but almost perpendicular to it, they expected a significant amount of the wave energy to be converted from transverse to longitudinal waves. Any possible way of looking at the theory said this should have been so. However very careful measurements of the light energy in and the (transverse) light energy out (reflected+refracted) failed to show any missing content that could have gone off as longitudinal waves. The only solution to this problem was the possibility that the velocity of longitudinal waves was either extremely high (much higher than c) so that very little energy was coupled in, or extremely low velocity (with the same result). If I remember rightly the latter idea was favoured at the time. This is where the opposing ideas of the compressibility of the aether came from. If the velocity of the longitudinal waves are extremely high, then it is almost incompressible, if they are extremely low, then it is almost infinitely compressible. Must be one or the other to get the theory to match experimental measurements. Maxwell's equations suggest that it is incompressible and that longitudinal waves should propagate instantaneously. Only problem is we cannot create or destroy unbalanced charge to force these waves to occur and so we cannot test which idea is correct:- >> E-M waves can be seen as shear waves in an incompressible or >> infinitely compressible medium. This was discussed at length >> in Maxwells day. They couldn't make up their minds as to >> whether the aether was incompressible or infinitely compressible. > >Which is fine for a theory that is only in use today because the aether >is supposed to be nonexistant. Not so much "nonexistant" as "unnecessary" and therefore subject to Occams razor. We have much more fashionable words for its presence nowadays - like ZPF. But I prefer to use the term aether for the "substance" that is bubbling with ZPF energy - just because you so rapidly find out where others stand by their reaction to the use of the old fashioned term ;-} >> I'm not sure what you mean by divergence. > >Well, I meant the spreading of an EM wave over distance, the "light >cone", if you will. Diffraction is probably the best term to use for this effect. Any finite sized aperture letting EM radiation pass through produces spreading of the beam due to diffraction. AFAIK "light cone" is almost exclusively used in relativity discussions of the "cause" and "effect" type. An event cannot produce any effect outside of its light cone - basic SR assertion. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 05:01:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12178; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 05:01:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 05:01:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199801051300.LAA11192@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:03:20 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980104232550.00d7c280@palacenet.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"qUlCa1.0.6-2.NcDiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > At 20:10 1/4/98 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: > >"The Flux-Gate Magnetometer: A Very Sensitive ELF Magnetic > >Detector" by Peter Vizmuller. RF Design Mag. Jan 1994, pg > >24 to 32. > They aren't on the WEB ? > Thanks, Bob! What that was fast. I was still looking > through the RF design mags that I've accumulated > I didn't think the article was quite that old. :-/ > > I've seen the NASA articles but haven't built those devices. Where could I get a copy of these NASA articles ? > > Best Regards, > Jack > Thanks, Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 05:35:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16356; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 05:35:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 05:35:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980105073721.0069fbe4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 07:37:21 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? In-Reply-To: <199801051300.LAA11192@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> References: <3.0.1.32.19980104232550.00d7c280@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"12cfC2.0.T_3.n6Eiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here's another construction article... ---------------------------------------------------------- mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 06:10:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21535; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:08:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:08:56 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801051300.LAA11192@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> References: <3.0.1.32.19980104232550.00d7c280@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:08:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Resent-Message-ID: <"rVxz73.0.MG5.sbEiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In the Dec '97 issue of Circuit Cellar Ink, there is a construction article entitled "Listening to Magnetism" by Jeff Bachiochi. The circuit uses an ITT HAL400 linear hall-effect sensor (40mV/mT), a Burr-Brown PGA204 one-chip instrumentation amplifier (with programmable gain) and a PicStik-3 programmable controller. It features an audible output. It was designed to fit inside of the body of a large magic marker, but ended up being slightly too big... Also, Don Klipstein (Gaussmeister@prodigy.com) is selling these (I just bought some myself): >: HALL EFFECT DETECTORS >: >: Texas Instruments TL173C. Linear output magnetic field sensor. >: Range: +/- 500 Gauss. Usable to 0.1 Gauss. 12VDC operation. >: TO-92 package. With data; price includes shipping. $4.00 each; >: 3 for $10.00. 100 pcs: $150: 400 pcs; $400. I recall that he also had some real flux-gate magnetometers for sale, but I didn't save that part of his post... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 07:04:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23461; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:03:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: mark@plug-in.com.br Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Simple magnetometer circuit? Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:53:59 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3XOs0UQy8QXG092yn@csonline.net> References: <199801051300.LAA11192@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> In-Reply-To: <199801051300.LAA11192@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Lines: 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"XBMoj1.0.Uk5._OFiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> At 20:10 1/4/98 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: >> >"The Flux-Gate Magnetometer: A Very Sensitive ELF Magnetic >> >Detector" by Peter Vizmuller. RF Design Mag. Jan 1994, pg >> >24 to 32. >They aren't on the WEB ? I think RF Design has a web site but I find it unlikely that issues that old would be on it. Some things are not on the web for Copyright reasons too. >> I've seen the NASA articles but haven't built those devices. >Where could I get a copy of these NASA articles ? >From your address I'm not sure where you are? I'll send a copy of these to any one that sends me a 8.5x11 Self Addressed Stamped Envelope. Send me private e-mail and I'll give you my address. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 08:56:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10145; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:56:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:56:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B12C0C.5D9@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:53:00 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Inertial Energy Converter claims 1000% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CYe0i2.0.NU2.f2Hiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi! Michael Danielschenko has recently posted an amazing claim by a researcher named Ewerts. He claims to have built an inertial energy converter that provides upwards of 1000% more energy than it takes to run it. There are two files posted on his website regarding this; http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/3664/ check it out...also if you aren't up on inertial drives (one version), check out; http://www.open.org/davidc seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 12:14:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07128; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:14:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:14:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD19E3.D08CC940@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Questions on exotic phenomena Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD19E3.D08CC940" Resent-Message-ID: <"4BsU2.0.Fl1.7yJiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD19E3.D08CC940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: John Winterflood[SMTP:jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au] Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:37 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Questions on exotic phenomena >Can't be done. A rigid body can only have one spin axis at >any given moment. That axis may be slanted with respect to >an arbitary x,y,z basis, but still it is only one axis. >If you apply a torque to change the direction of the spin >axis then that axis can be considered to be turning at some >speed about a second axis usually termed the precession axis >which is at right angles with the spin axis. Perhaps I should have elaborated: I was referring to a gyroscopic type = device with each axis at 90 degrees to each other at rest. When = activated, each gyroscopic component would spin, giving three separate = ranges of motion. My question is: What would be the effect of this kind = of a device if the central rotating component were a superconducting = ring? OR: Another setup: the three gyroscopic components are all = superconductors. Questions? Answers? Suggestions? Kyle R. 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What happens if the hole in the magnets is plugged? What happens if you take a steel rod the size of the hole (slightly less) and insert it into the hole? My guess is that you cannot keep the rod inserted and the two "monopole" magnets still attract. Either the pole will be repelled, or the magnets will be repelled... Please let me know if this is done, and what the results are... ----------------- Chetter Hummin chetterhummin@hotmail.com "We are always making progress in the field of Psychohistory..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 13:13:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16187; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:12:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:12:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B14924.7702@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:57:08 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen L Heckman CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SMOT SMOVE LOVE LIFE COILS I have had them References: <19980101.134318.6486.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <34AC911E.1514@xtra.co.nz> <19980102.185642.7678.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IsiA4.0.qy3.KpKiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stephen L Heckman wrote: > > On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:02:54 +1300 Robbie Rowntree > writes: > > >> I don't think it would be "overunity", but I have also an idea for a > >> regeneration circuit to capture back emf of the turned-off coil and > >dump it back to the coils still on. > >> > > >Hi Steve sounds interesting can you show your circuit I think maybe > >I can use your idea in the RRAMM E on the momentum storage (Repel > > magnets )you may of won 1000 hour credits . > > > **RRAMM** > > Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research > > Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive > > mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz > > Hi Robbie and All.... > > Sure. Send me your "snail mail" address and I will send you a sketch of > the smotor with the regeneration circuit. > > No real "FM" here, just a diode going to a transformer. Making use of > the fact that a collapsing magnetic field will generate a counter EMF of > reverse polarity (most coils place a reverse-biased doide across the coil > to short it out) and as a ferrite approaches a magnet lets say the coil outputs + does this change to - as the ferrite is withdrawn is this the collapsing magnetic field your talking about or the collapsing magnetic field when the coil is shorted out > Waste not, want not is the design philosophy here. Yes good thinking every bit helps I hav'ent had very much experience with coils or electronics but as the need arises solutions just seem to appear but without out experience its hard to know what solution to chose like this morning [2 days ago] an idea came to mind after completing 7 of the 9 coils, The idea was to build the return flux coils like this using ferrite rod spiral flat pancakes sandwiched between short discsIIIIIIIIIIIIIII HOLE IN centre,insulated silver coated wire,solder enamel wire .125 thread [viewing] ferrite disc spiral out perhaps even better solder in middle = 2 wires out ,2 to solder- 6" 1 wire = 12"[remove viewing] disc glue next ferrite disc next next next next next next next next do you think this would be any good thinking supper dense coil low resistance ,winding jig very easy just maintain .13 space some thing tells me this will be good but i dont understand how coils work after all there is very little if any flux going through why not put the coil in the path some one must of tried this> IIIIIIIIIIIII ferrite discs 2.5mm head and leg coils ----++----- centre wire .25 two exit two groves centre disc ____ _____ - spiral out connection ++ kids went home this mourning ,was'nt paying them much attention just about court the dunny on fire Peter lit a cone of incense and placed it on the floor thought full boy. So I've cut and drilled the discs for 1 head coil took most of the day to learn the nack try soldering to night if i can find the strength ,flues about gone. hey farter christmas do i win 1000 creds for my coil ,only if it works my son only if it works , well should catch scalar waves tooo really i think just about any coil will work well I think if it works i'll give the 1000 creds to Butch for stimulating the thought I'll go to town in the morning get my computer sorted so I can get the gift across no one seems to have the excellent Drawing Board program there missing a very useful tool and a lot of detail. Oh stop bitching at least this way everyone can see there GIFT and not just the wrap then you can give some credits and blessings away on switching, guessing when to send flux to what part and what to connect what to and other silly little things you dona know or cant find in the electronics notebook 1. Ok I'll go and mediate now i need to prepare for the coming of the men in black if I'm to give my address. > > Half tempted to go into seclusion for a month or two, build a smot and my > rotary smot (the "smotor") and then report back! > > Steve Heckman > steve-nyeoka@juno.com thats were I've been the last 10 months smots tried smot M2 array motor called it RRAMM A (Robbie Rowntrees amazing magnetic motor asymmetrical)amazing to me because it did'ent run as planed ran 100s of timed runs , 13 smot arrays on 2 polycarbonate discs centre disc glass took a week to cut !solid but to heavy was going to use woven kevlar later , cut the magnets 390 most twice to follow curved path 12 balls tried rods too ,late one night early in the testing i got 4 minutes longer than average with out magnets but i now think this was due to bearings as i could not repeat in the mourning after make some small adjustments my original thought was that each magnet had the same pull up the steps and my calculation was that i would end up with more pull 15 magnets than pull back but this is not so there is more pull back so it ran 10% better back ward than forward all the time but was not OU , then did some static tests on single array level to find out what was really happening along the track . well my conclusion was that the nature of magnets was the exchange of momentum like life give so that you may receive but unlike life the magnets would seem to have things all there way, well not quite but at the time just could not see away with iron so came up with the RRAMM B bismuth wedges well i tried this setup but my disc was getting very heavy and i could not give this setup any real justice so I moved on to the RRAMM c this was crap so I moved on to the RRAMM E PUMP Robbie Rowntrees Amazing Magnetic Momentum Energy Pump the idea is conserve momentum as the momentum flows out at one end it returns at the other so that the magnets all are pumped mechanical by the approach and retreat of magnetic materiel with the minim of energy requited to keep this pumping . right its morning post this and I'm off to town if the car goes bye! -- Magnetic Motors Robbie Rowntree Central road R.D.2 Upper Moutere New Zealand 7152 **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 16:03:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12851; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:02:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:02:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B19E94.75C5@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:01:40 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RJ61u3.0.g83.bINiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > so, I finally took the time to track down a thread, which I had heard about > in sci.electronics.design, entitled "ZENER DIODE OSCILLATION." It's huge > (226 messages), it started on July 10 and continued for a solid month. > I haven't read the whole thing, but I did manage to grab a lot of the > interesting stuff (29 messages) and put it in a file on my server > (http://www.shore.net/~rmuha/physics/zenerosc.txt). It's big (181K), > 67 printed pages of fascinating material. Apparently, started it > out as a minor flame war > Could this be used as a scalar detector? Running a diode in this way > seems quite similar to running a neon bulb in starvation mode (isn't > that another name for 'abnormal glow region'?), just at the point of > turn-on. Yes, Zeners can, and have been used this way. So can opto-isolators and some other components. The problem is that Zeners from the same batch, probably from the same die, do not have similar performance in this mode. Some Zeners show strong 'pop corn' noise, while others might seem to 'detect something'. Getting a pair of Zeners that both appear to detect external stimuli is very tough. I've often found that the Zeners's bias might need to be brought up from zero to the best operating point, while another Zener from that same lot may work best if the bias is first rasied above the best operating point, then brought down to the operating point. I've also seen Zeners that seem to work well, but totally stop responding to external stimuli once the bias has been raised above some critical value, even of the bias is totally removed, then reapplied. In these cases, the bias current never reached a significant fraction of the diodes typical specifications. A similar bizarre effect happens with opto-isolators, but the apparent 'detection/oscillation' effect will dissappear after a few minutes of operation. (This effect is seen in the phototransistor portion of the isolator, while the LED emitter is biased at a level BELOW that needed to turn-on the LED and phototransistor. There's an old Keelynet thing on this effect.) The diodes performance will also often change once its leads have been cut and soldered into the circuit. I softly clamp a large hemostat onto the leads before cutting the leads to lenght, and only remove it after its soldered into the board, or preferably into a pair of flea-clips, just in case I need to change it later. This is not all that unlike cutting and soldering the leads of quartz crystals in RF work, which makes me wonder if micro-scale cracks or faults along the junction might be responsible for the changes in behavior. After reading the original post, now I really wonder.... Anyone who has selected Zener diodes for use in noise generator circuits should be aware of just how different peas in the same pod can be. (Some will argue that the production of 1/f noise IS in fact, detecting SOMETHING). If you can get your hands on diodes that were rejected by the manufacturer from production lots you just might find some real gems, but they would probably not be packaged, maybe just bare dice. I was fortunate enough to once find a small, odd lot of military Zeners (JTX1N4462, 7.5v) made by Unitrode. Nearly every one from this particular lot makes an excellent noise generator. There is nothing wrong with them as normal Zeners I'm aware of, but they make such clean, reliable noise generators I'd risk soldering them in directly for production runs. A friend madea cute 'odd behavior' diode tester with a mercury battery, 10 turn 50 K pot, a cap and some test clips. Attach it to your scope, clip in the diode under test, and bring the bias up from zero slowly. The cap couples any AC from the diode to the scope. The battery, diode test clips and pot are in series, the scope is connected across the diode through the cap. This simple rig will sort the odd ones from the boring zeners real quick. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 20:30:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24633; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:30:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:30:11 -0800 X-ROUTED: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:26:02 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <34B1B419.ADCD838A@southconn.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:33:30 -0500 From: steve/paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <34B19E94.75C5@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cjz7w.0.b06.FDRiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > . > > I haven't read the whole thing, but I did manage to grab a lot of the > > interesting stuff (29 messages) and put it in a file on my server > > (http://www.shore.net/~rmuha/physics/zenerosc.txt). It's big (181K), > > 67 printed pages of fascinating material. Apparently, started it > > out as a minor flame war > > > > > Could this be used as a scalar detector? Running a diode in this way > > seems quite similar to running a neon bulb in starvation mode (isn't > > that another name for 'abnormal glow region'?), just at the point of > > turn-on. > > > I was fortunate enough to once find a small, odd lot of military Zeners > (JTX1N4462, 7.5v) made by Unitrode. Nearly every one from this > particular lot makes an excellent noise generator. There is nothing > wrong with them as normal Zeners I'm aware of, but they make such clean, > reliable noise generators I'd risk soldering them in directly for > production runs. > That diode was used in some military equipment i used to work on, as a random noise generator....the story used to be they were rejects from normal runs....sold to the goverment at a big markup as "special".....steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 22:35:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09814; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:35:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: PROTIEUS Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:29:15 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Weird Magnets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"8mmVN3.0.AP2.23Tiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: hello , i am doing a project on anti-gravity with magnets and ionization i was wondering if this little magnet would work ? you see i need a magnet that is ferrous on the outside but semi-ferrous on the interior of it. it needs to be 12inches in diameter and 3in. thick. do you think you might be able to help..? Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 5 22:50:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11510; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:50:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:50:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B1EF8A.69BF@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:47:06 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: chetterhummin@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Monopole Magnets References: <19980105204703.21379.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pUmqE2.0.lp2.YGTiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Chet et al! I'll add that to the tests...so far, they are definitely both magnets because they both attract metal independent of each other....I plan to post what I find on the website below.... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 01:26:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24683; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:26:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:26:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:25:47 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [off topic] G.Washington.rail_gun(s) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nFi0j1.0.a16.4ZViq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thought for tonight: ---------------------- "No Firearms, No Liberty" A quote from George Washington's address to the second session of the First U.S. Congress: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99-100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour." -------------------------- Then our rail-guns too :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 03:57:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24133; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:57:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:57:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34AF8E95.612B@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:28:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Monopole Magnets References: <3.0.1.32.19980104013756.00756690@palacenet.net> <34AF6414.441C@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"o1Nnu.0.-u5.qmXiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > I recently was given two most peculiar magnets. They each consist of > a 1" diameter piece of steel shaft in the form of two short cylinders > about 1" long. > > What is peculiar, the inventor claims he has discovered how to make a > true magnetic monopole, either South or North, your option. > > There is a small hole about 3/8" all the way through the center of each > of these cylinder magnets. Hi Jerry, from your description, these magnets behave much like the ones Christian Nguyen has. I suspect that in both cases, it isn't a monopole, but a pefectly ordinary magnet with one pole hidden inside, as MarkF suggested. Still, Christian's magnet seem to be more sophisticated, as they are perfectly flat, closed cylinders made from ceramic material. Try to use an ordinary magnet to flip your "monopole" - if you do this with one of Christian's magnets, the "like" poles will repel until you bring them very close, where the monopole will flip to neutral, thus being attracted by the ordinary magnet (I'm not too sure if it is exactly this what happens, but when it does, you will know;-)). With your magnet's, I'd suspect the second pole is hidden inside the 3/8" boring. -- _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 05:57:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14221; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:57:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:57:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B23436.4A89@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 02:40:06 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: PARTS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6C1D7CBD7FD1" Resent-Message-ID: <"_7FE-2.0.2U3.fWZiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6C1D7CBD7FD1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COPYRIGHT ROBBIE ROWNTREE SEND WERE YOU WILL INCLUDING THE WRAPING OF FARTER CHRISTMAS In this view you can see the momentum will take the path of least resistance A D arm coil P back to A and C B arm coil P back to c OH shit its late again so I'll just name the parts for now A MAGNET B MAGNET C MAGNET D MAGNET E REPEL MAGNET WITH COIL F DE BONE COIL RETURN FLUX WING G REPEL MAGNET WITH COIL H HEAD BRIDGE I DC HEAD COIL J SHOULDER BRIDGE K DE BONE FLUX GATE WITH AC COIL L ROWNTREE COIL ON ARM M DC LEG COIL N SOLE BRIDGE O BOTTOM BRIDGE P DC ARM COIL Q INDICATOR OF RELATIVE DISTANCE NOW WHAT HAVE I MISSED YES THE ROCKER MAGNET IN THE MUDDY MIDDLE WELL GOD NIGHT AND GOOD GARDENING TO YOU ALL -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz --------------6C1D7CBD7FD1 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="parts.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: 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OcXG3GylKUovEpSlESlKURKUpREpSlESlKURKUpREpSlESlKURKUpREpSlESlKURKUpREpSl EX//2Q== --------------23D16A231532-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 15:23:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14485; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:22:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:22:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:16:39 -0600 (CST) From: HackEd To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: usa-tesla@list.iex.net Subject: Coil and Rail Guns Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LD5fl3.0.EY3.eohiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This message has been sent to FREENRG-L and USATESLA: I'm trying to find info on Rail and Coil guns. Construction plans and theory would be helpful. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 15:33:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16890; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:32:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:32:56 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:35:02 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Antigravity News Website Has Been Updated Resent-Message-ID: <"QFxpF3.0.i74.cyhiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Antigravity News and Space Drive Technology Website has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/agn/ The Table of Contents for the last three issues are now posted!!! Jan. 6, 1998 PB for James Cox. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 16:22:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18834; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801070020.AAA22799@mail.iol.ie> Reply-To: From: "gnlodge" To: Subject: Re: Coil and Rail Guns Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:20:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h2JPB.0.4c4.igiiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Me too! Any info would be greatly appreciated.....is Wesley around these days? Bart ---------- > From: HackEd > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: usa-tesla@list.iex.net > Subject: Coil and Rail Guns > Date: 06 January 1998 23:16 > > This message has been sent to FREENRG-L and USATESLA: > I'm trying to find info on Rail and Coil guns. Construction plans and > theory would be helpful. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 17:35:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14511; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:34:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:34:51 -0800 From: PRobb26666 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:32:12 EST To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: polariod Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"eM1jZ2.0.ZY3.wkjiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This may be a little off topic, but... Does anyone know how the polaroid instant films work? I want to use instant film in a electrophotography setup. Thanks, Patrick Robbins Probb26666@usa.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 18:49:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15392; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:48:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:48:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: polariod To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:47:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "PRobb26666" at Jan 6, 98 08:32:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Message-Id: From: Robert Pettus Resent-Message-ID: <"JYVRT3.0.Pm3.Jqkiq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > This may be a little off topic, but... > > Does anyone know how the polaroid instant films work? I want to use instant > film in a electrophotography setup. > > Thanks, > > Patrick Robbins > Probb26666@usa.net > > Pretty much like regular film as you know it ( the chemistry is different because there is no negative ), but the real magic comes after the shot. The secret is the developer process, which is activated by the act of the film rolling between two heavy rollers, thus squashing the film sandwich and activating the developing process. Of course, the details vary from when Land invented the process ( remember polarind, the peeling from a finished polaroid picture in the old days? ), but you get the idea. As far as electrophotography, why not use a phosphor screeen and a sensitive video camera? Robert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 18:56:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06134; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:55:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:55:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34B2EEA7.D0CC083F@bway.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:55:35 -0500 From: Khem Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:Polaroid film for electrophotography References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wYgCG2.0.YV1.lwkiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: PRobb26666 wrote: > Does anyone know how the polaroid instant films work? I want to use instant > film in a electrophotography setup. You can use a Polaroid 600 camera & film for Kirlian-type photos. Just remove the film package from the camera in complete darkness, remove a piece of film & make your exposure, replace the film in the package & replace the package in the camera. Closing the camera causes your exposed film to be ejected & it starts to develop. -Khem From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 21:19:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05553; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:19:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:19:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34B32BF2.7F9F@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:17:06 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Researcher Network List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gwfZN3.0.UM1.P1niq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I get many phone calls, letters and emails from people who complain that there is no one in their area who understands or is interested in alternative science subjects. Most envy those of us who have local friends they can personally meet or work with on a regular basis. Several months ago, it seemed like a good idea to post a list that would let people provide their email, state/country, interests and city/town. This way, if you saw someone in your area who had like interests, you could email them direct to arrange a meeting. You are invited to sign up if you wish at; http://www.keelynet.htm/network.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 23:01:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26073; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:00:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:00:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107145950.006aa088@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:59:50 +0800 To: bpaddock@csonline.net From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lMZht3.0.DN6.UWoiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: >>>"ELECTROSTATIC Aharonov-Bohm effect can be observed by >>>splitting an electron beam and direction it toward two >>>hollow, metallic cylinders that shielded electrons from >>>electric forces. As electrons pass through the cylinders, a >>>scalar potential difference (voltage) is applied between the >>>cylinders. The interference pattern observed on the screen >>>is shifted by an amount directly related to the scalar >>>potential." >> >>So are you saying that this experiment has been done? > >Page 59/60 of S.A. April 1989 "In 1986 Akira Tonomura and >his colleagues at Hitachie Ltd. in Tokyo ..." > Our library is open again now and so I have a photo-copy of what appears to be the article ("Quantum Interference and the Aharonov-Bohm Effect" by Y. Imry and R.A. Webb) but the page numbers don't quite agree (mine goes pages 36-42). According to my reading the electrostatic version of the experiment has NOT been done. This is evident by their use of words :- "The electrostatic Aharonov-Bohm effect can be explained in terms of a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT [see upper illustration on next page]. An electron beam is split into two partial waves. Each partial wave is directed into a hollow, metallic cylinder. ...." The 1986 Akira Tonomura experiment was the toroidal magnetic experiment to do with measuring the vector potential (= magnetic effect, not scalar potential = electrostatic effect). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 6 23:32:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA30723; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:31:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:31:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107012952.00701314@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:29:52 -0600 To: Peter Nielsen From: Jack DeMule Subject: Update (Re: Simple magnetometer circuit?) Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199801060159.MAA15600@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"B_LJx1.0.yV7.jzoiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Peter, All... It took several hours of digging, but I found that article in RF Design. Thanks again, Bob. I also found that my memory of the device's construction was erroneous. I've put scans of a few diagrams from the article in my files area as mtmom.jpg. You should be able to build the device from these diagrams. The part number of the ferrite sleeve is included. Ah, well... with four years past, an a white glob of RTV hiding the silly thing, I'm surprised I came as close to it as I did. :-/ It is simple to build, and sensitive, though! :) I'll scan the complete article when I have more time. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 7 01:37:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11177; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:37:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: <34B34A26.6DB@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:25:58 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ROWNDABOUT COIL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------100B55B3564A" Resent-Message-ID: <"RQVmR1.0.Xk2.4pqiq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------100B55B3564A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COPYRIGHT ROBBIE ROWNTREE SEND WERE YOU WILL please INCLUDE THE WRAPING OF FARTER CHRISTMAS Hi ya all two jpg's ones of the coil that I still has'nt been solded up needs a jig that I made today out of the jig that I used to cut magnets its made from a old Imperal 66 typewriter that I got from old {RING!} George at the second hand shop $5 what a bargen really solid {RING!} increderble workmanship more parts than your {my} car and better{RING!} made I just used the carage return part screwed to a {RING!} slab of wood the ferrite sits in a hole in the end plate and is {RING!} held with 2 strong magnets ether side of the hole in the ferrite{RING!} , the other end I'll use the clamped drill to hold a rod magnet {RING!} and cap ferrite when that arives . In the mean time there's {RING!} plenty still to do. 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keelynet.COM, sorry. corrected and reposted in this one... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Folks! I get many phone calls, letters and emails from people who complain that there is no one in their area who understands or is interested in alternative science subjects. Most envy those of us who have local friends they can personally meet or work with on a regular basis. Several months ago, it seemed like a good idea to post a list that would let people provide their email, state/country, interests and city/town. This way, if you saw someone in your area who had like interests, you could email them direct to arrange a meeting. You are invited to sign up if you wish at; http://www.keelynet.com/network.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 7 11:59:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14900; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:59:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:59:46 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <491ba159.34b3ddea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:56:24 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: For your infomation, Homepage update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"BAgne.0.de3.mwziq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3173 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Updating new homepage every day. Thanks, Butch LaFonte LaFonte Generator Home Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 7 16:15:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25572; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19860108190444.006bc7ac@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1986 19:11:16 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: polariod Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fKb4L.0.MF6.vf1jq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:32 PM 1/6/98 EST, you wrote: >This may be a little off topic, but... > >Does anyone know how the polaroid instant films work? I want to use instant >film in a electrophotography setup. > >Thanks, > >Patrick Robbins >Probb26666@usa.net One of the electronic project magazines had an article on kirlian photography using FAX paper just last year. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 7 19:33:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07785; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:33:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:33:26 -0800 Message-ID: <34B47326.10B2@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:33:10 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19971230154816.006caef0@pd.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980101192902.00734ae4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980102154902.0072ea78@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980107145950.006aa088@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2c8l_1.0.Xv1.5a4jq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Winterflood wrote: > According to my reading the electrostatic version of the > experiment has NOT been done. This is evident by their use > of words :- "The electrostatic Aharonov-Bohm effect can be > explained in terms of a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT [see upper > illustration on next page]. An electron beam is split into > two partial waves. Each partial wave is directed into a > hollow, metallic cylinder. ...." I've read other descriptions of the electrostatic experiment, but I have not yet located the source. I beleive that it has indeed been done. > The 1986 Akira Tonomura experiment was the toroidal magnetic > experiment to do with measuring the vector potential (= magnetic > effect, not scalar potential = electrostatic effect). "Scalar" effects, as Bearden and others use the term, appear to be electromagnetic in nature, not strictly electrostatic. 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<34AFA4B2.6718@dove.net.au> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 07:03:14 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" Organization: Unusual .. I'm disorganised ! X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <34B19E94.75C5@tiac.net> <34B1B419.ADCD838A@southconn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UhuI7.0.V94.xRCjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: O.k can we try this with "Varicaps" ??? ( being someone that used to "cheat" in his earlier - read CHEAPSKATE Amateur Radio days, when I wanted a low cost varicap - I used a "standard" 1N4001 etc, or an E-B junction of a transistor - to achieve the same variable capacitance effect). My ( muddled ) thinking, suggests that a conventional varicap, should also be usuable as a scalar detector - you have a fairly wide region of biasing available to play around in with these. P.S experimenting with Rick's "Free charge" capacitor idea, seeing a change of 0.1 to 12.0 millivolts as a daily variation. No not YET logging it, the "cheap hardware" idea works O.K, and I can record the data to the P.C, but working on the software to display 4 channels - in a format that I am happy with, until I am happy with it - I won't release it on an unsuspecting world ! -- Regards, Glenville mailto:gsawyer@dove.net.au http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net Design of the everyday & the Unusual, Hardware & Software. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 04:31:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17113; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:31:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:31:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B4A8DB.7201@dove.net.au> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 02:22:19 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" Organization: Unusual .. I'm disorganised ! X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: moody@dove.net.au, listex@energia.ru Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KoLQA1.0.GB4.ZSCjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: More ..... When Jack DeMule ( and others ) commented on using Zeners in a biased region as (possible) scalar detectors, this reminded me of a "home brew" Radiation detector that appeared in the English "Practical Electronics" magazine many ( maybe 20 ) years ago, this used a (costly at the time) Diode as the SSB detector. In light (no pun) of my forthcoming parallel experiment with "abnormal glow region" Neons, and Glass Geiger-Muller tubes, maybe there should be a zener and a normal junction diode in the parallel test rig as well ? (Exp's running WELL BEHIND schedule, been ill for the last 3 days). My thinking is thus... Not all that "Clicks" is due to "normal" Alpha - Beta or Gamma particle radiation, I am being led to believe that Scalar waves are intertwined in the whole mess somewhere as well, which would seem to be logical - if we imagine that scalar products are indeed some sort of "inverted" E-M / E-S wave front. Alrighty, seeing as we are looking "way out" on this area of research, than what if we look at scalars being the "Carrier" and (what we perceive / detect) as E-M, is the "information" (drawing parallels between AM-FM-SSB or "normal" R.F theory) ? I'll sleep on that one !!! Just my $0.02 -- Regards, Glenville mailto:gsawyer@dove.net.au http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net Design of the everyday & the Unusual, Hardware & Software. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 12:40:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01090; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:39:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:39:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B56359.43F4@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:38:01 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> <34B4A8DB.7201@dove.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h_McG3.0.nG.OcJjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Glenville T. Sawyer wrote: > My thinking is thus... > Not all that "Clicks" is due to "normal" Alpha - Beta or > Gamma particle radiation, I am being led to believe that Scalar waves > are intertwined in the whole mess somewhere as well, which would seem > to be logical - if we imagine that scalar products are indeed some > sort of "inverted" E-M / E-S wave front. In the simplest terms I know, the scalar wave is the information left behind when electromagnetic waves superpose and sum to zero, the ghost of the opposed waves if you will. Scalar theory extends, but does not replace conventional EM theory, it describes EM waves as being a special case (two phase opposed scalars per Whittaker) of more fundemental scalar phenomena, much like the concepts of potentials and their subsequent vectors in conventional theory. So scalars are very much intertwined with conventional EM, but scalar theory also covers a possible description of a unification of EM and the nuclear forces, at low energies. (that last part is quite significant to energy production!) Scalar waves have been used experimentally to produce an effect which appears to show the modulation of atomic decay rates. Some of these experiments might also be interpreted to show an interaction between the scalar component and the radiation detectors. If the claims of isotope production ( and destruction! ) are vaild, then I would tend to beleive that the effect of the applied scalar was actual mediation of the atomic forces rather than an effect on the radiation detectors themselves. As I understand it, both GM tube based, and solid state radiation detectors have been used to duplicate these types of experiments. I would think that if the scalar field were acting on the detectors rather than on the atomic forces in the sample, that solid state detectors would show different effects than would GM tube based detectors. I have no idea if any specific set of experiments used both GM tube and solid state detectors at the same time, so we might not know if the two different detector types would give the same results or not. Does anyone have specific references to scalar induced transmutation experiments that would include this type of data? > > Alrighty, seeing as we are looking "way out" on this area of > research, than what if we look at scalars being the "Carrier" > and (what we perceive / detect) as E-M, is the "information" > (drawing parallels between AM-FM-SSB or "normal" R.F theory) ? > > I'll sleep on that one !!! > > Just my $0.02 > > -- > Regards, Glenville > > mailto:gsawyer@dove.net.au http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net > Design of the everyday & the Unusual, Hardware & Software. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 13:44:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15890; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:43:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:43:40 -0800 Message-ID: <34B544FE.77D46319@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:28:31 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Fred Epps Subject: The electron equation. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q9xhj.0.Au3.AYKjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, This info was reported to me by a visitor of my page. I recommend all to visit this address: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9378/electron.html Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 15:09:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25885; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:08:26 +1100 Message-Id: <199801082308.KAA21301@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves Resent-Message-ID: <"4Yghe.0.IK6.loLjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> According to my reading the electrostatic version of the >> experiment has NOT been done. This is evident by their use >> of words :- "The electrostatic Aharonov-Bohm effect can be >> explained in terms of a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT [see upper >> illustration on next page]. An electron beam is split into >> two partial waves. Each partial wave is directed into a >> hollow, metallic cylinder. ...." > >I've read other descriptions of the electrostatic experiment, but I have >not yet located the source. I beleive that it has indeed been done. > >> The 1986 Akira Tonomura experiment was the toroidal magnetic >> experiment to do with measuring the vector potential (= magnetic >> effect, not scalar potential = electrostatic effect). > >"Scalar" effects, as Bearden and others use the term, appear to be >electromagnetic in nature, not strictly electrostatic. > There was an experiment done in Geneva (sorry, no ref) in which entangled photons were demonstrated to interact, within optical fiber, at a distance of over 10 Km. I believe electrostatic polarization was used. Readers interested in this area, might try a search for "quantum computing". Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 15:08:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03049; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:08:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:08:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:08:18 +1100 Message-Id: <199801082308.KAA21291@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Coil and Rail Guns Resent-Message-ID: <"Ii3o9.0.Ql.lnLjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:16 pm 6/01/98 -0600, you wrote: >This message has been sent to FREENRG-L and USATESLA: >I'm trying to find info on Rail and Coil guns. Construction plans and >theory would be helpful. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > Do a search for: 1) Consumertronics 2) Information Unlimited PN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 18:59:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28954; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:59:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:59:05 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:16:05 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19980104191216.0075b2f8@palacenet.net> <34B4A8DB.7201@dove.net.au> <34B56359.43F4@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <34B56359.43F4@tiac.net> Lines: 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"VztMs3.0.847.q9Pjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone have specific references to scalar induced transmutation >experiments that would include this type of data? Bearden touches on this in his "Excalibur Briefing", but no specific citations. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 18:59:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28999; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:59:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:59:07 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:23:11 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34AFA4B2.6718@dove.net.au> Lines: 40 Resent-Message-ID: <"wE7tU2.0.f47.t9Pjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >O.k can we try this with "Varicaps" ??? > >( being someone that used to "cheat" in his earlier - read CHEAPSKATE > Amateur Radio days, when I wanted a low cost varicap - I used a > "standard" 1N4001 etc, or an E-B junction of a transistor - to > achieve the same variable capacitance effect). Here's a couple of Varicap related things: In the CHEAPSKATE Category: In the UK magazine "Practical Wireless", June 1997, they cover "A Spectrum Wavemeter" by Tony Fishpool G4WIF. Which amounts to the Poor Man's spectrum Analyzer. Hardware is simple 556, PNP transistor, and BB212 Varcap, and some large hand wound coils. Gets you 1.75 to 150 MHz spectrum Analyzer. Don't let the simplicity of parts fool you tho getting things to work at 150 MHz is not for the timed. They do offer a kit for 26 English Pounds, any one in the UK want to buy us a few and ship to the states? The output is displayed on O'scope. In the Bleeding Edge: Linear Technologies is making a switching regulator to drive Varcaps, which need at least 5 volts, and typically more voltage to get a good tuning range, from a 3 Volt supply. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 19:04:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03755; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:03:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:03:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B5922A.5D29162E@idt.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:57:46 -0500 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Scalar" Detectors & waves References: <199801082308.KAA21301@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zYMPU2.0.Zw.PEPjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: There is a reference to the Geneva expirament in Discover magazine. -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 19:23:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06810; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:23:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:23:16 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34AFA4B2.6718@dove.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:21:53 -0500 To: bpaddock@csonline.net From: ralph muha Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"D2Lza.0.Ig1.WWPjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 8:23 PM -0500 1/8/98, Bob Paddock wrote: >In the UK magazine "Practical Wireless", June 1997, they >cover "A Spectrum Wavemeter" by Tony Fishpool G4WIF. Which >amounts to the Poor Man's spectrum Analyzer. see http://www.kanga.demon.co.uk/test.htm UK price is 32.95 pounds contact info at http://www.kanga.demon.co.uk/kanga.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 8 20:13:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16256; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:13:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:13:28 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34AFA4B2.6718@dove.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:12:06 -0500 To: bpaddock@csonline.net From: ralph muha Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"WjiRn.0.pz3.YFQjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:21 PM -0500 1/8/98, ralph muha wrote: >UK price is 32.95 pounds USD $53.57 AUD $83.45 CAD $76.62 (universal currency converter at http://www.xe.net/currency) r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 10:06:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20979; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:08:53 -0500 Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Message-ID: <19980109.125833.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,14-15,19-21 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"-0j4U1.0.d75.7Scjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:05:52 -0500 ralph muha writes: >according to another note that Bob P just posted, noisy diodes >due tend to correlate. so perhaps the correlation is due to >their relativly close positions? so perhaps the experiment >should compare diode output at various physical separations? > >r One thing that I am not sure of is how "big" scalar events are, or if they are directional or even coherent. One diagram for a caudecous coil shows the "scalar" beam emitted through the coil form (both ends). So, placing two sensors a distance apart may some some events corelating, and some not. Actually, a grid of simple diode sensors may allow us to map scalar effects around various translators, or even determine direction of "wave fronts" (assuming that they are spaced far enough to see the time difference and assuming they are not instantaneous). Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 14:25:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21032; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:24:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:24:39 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:16 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"qeG0R3.0.W85.bEgjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve Heckman wrote: :On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:05:52 -0500 ralph muha writes: : :>according to another note that Bob P just posted, noisy diodes :>due tend to correlate. so perhaps the correlation is due to :>their relativly close positions? so perhaps the experiment :>should compare diode output at various physical separations? : :One thing that I am not sure of is how "big" scalar events are, or if :they are directional or even coherent. One diagram for a caudecous coil :shows the "scalar" beam emitted through the coil form (both ends). So, :placing two sensors a distance apart may some some events corelating, and :some not. Finally, a concrete suggestion on demystifying the directionality question! :Actually, a grid of simple diode sensors may allow us to map scalar :effects around various translators, or even determine direction of "wave :fronts" (assuming that they are spaced far enough to see the time :difference and assuming they are not instantaneous). Excellent ideas! The grid layout will nail down once and for all the "instantaneity" question..for that matter, how about those of us with time and resources to do so build a set of detectors (identical as possible) and time- correlate with the US Navy (or other suitable) website timebase for a worldwide grid to look for celestial sources? This goes to the questions Rick Monteverde raised in re: his experience with capacitor-type scalar detectors. With a large enough physical baseline it should be possible to differentiate between local and celestial sources... Now, how about a detector that doesn't require "sorted, special" parts? Are ordinary diode "noise generator" circuits applicable? For that matter, do Zener diode junctions show directional sensitivity to "scalars"? Would ordinary diodes? If so, there's another alignment factor to consider. I was thinking of a flat, 2-D grid...if they show directional sensitivity, maybe a 3-D grid is in order. Hmmm...eight detectors at the corners of a cube (four, tetrahedron?), rotatable caduceus coil or whatever source, monitor detector signal amplitude to establish directionality? Then vary the spacing and watch detector timing to determine simultaneity? Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 15:14:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08222; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:13:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:13:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:12:29 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rwjF62.0.L02.gygjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3190 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > > Steve Heckman wrote: > :One thing that I am not sure of is how "big" scalar events are, or if > :they are directional or even coherent. One diagram for a caudecous coil > :shows the "scalar" beam emitted through the coil form (both ends). So, > :placing two sensors a distance apart may some some events corelating, and > :some not. > > Finally, a concrete suggestion on demystifying the directionality question! I think a quick bit of testing will show that the 'laser-like beam' described in that document does not match experimental reality. I know of no sucessful reproductions of this claimed effect. A scalar, not being a vector, cannot posess 'direction'. Scalar phenomena seems best understood as action at a distance rather than as wave-like propogation. Some detectors do couple to some events while others may not couple to the event. I've chased this aspect for many years, and I feel I'm closest to understanding the experimental data when I abandon the conventional concept of wave propogation. A scalar product may be produced at point A, be totally undetectable at point B, but still have a measurable effect at point C, with all points being in line. This is nothing like EM wave propogation from what I've seen. > :Actually, a grid of simple diode sensors may allow us to map scalar > :effects around various translators, or even determine direction of "wave > :fronts" (assuming that they are spaced far enough to see the time > :difference and assuming they are not instantaneous). The problem here is getting sets of matched diodes that respond to the external stimuli. > Excellent ideas! The grid layout will nail down once and for all the > "instantaneity" question..for that matter, how about those of us with time and > resources to do so build a set of detectors (identical as possible) and time- > correlate with the US Navy (or other suitable) website timebase for a > worldwide grid to look for celestial sources? This goes to the questions Rick > Monteverde raised in re: his experience with capacitor-type scalar detectors. > With a large enough physical baseline it should be possible to differentiate > between local and celestial sources... DEtectors other than diode junctions might be a better choice, as its vastly easier to produce sets of detectors that all respond to the same external stimuli. > Now, how about a detector that doesn't require "sorted, special" parts? Are > ordinary diode "noise generator" circuits applicable? For that matter, do > Zener diode junctions show directional sensitivity to "scalars"? Would > ordinary diodes? If so, there's another alignment factor to consider. I was > thinking of a flat, 2-D grid...if they show directional sensitivity, maybe a > 3-D grid is in order. I reccomend 'Scalar Field Interference Detectors' to fill this request. These are little more than a local EM signal generator, a scalar transducer, impedance matching network, and a conventional coil placed inside a Faraday cage. The conventional coil is placed around the scalar translator, and any EM bleedoff resulting from external scalar signals interfering with the local scalar field around the translator. The currents induced in the conventional coil are fed to a conventional radio receiver, and the local signal generator is used like a frequency converter, once popular in Ham Radio circles. > Hmmm...eight detectors at the corners of a cube (four, tetrahedron?), > rotatable caduceus coil or whatever source, monitor detector signal amplitude > to establish directionality? Then vary the spacing and watch detector timing > to determine simultaneity? > > Mark L. Fergerson I think you will find that some detectors may have more sensitive axies of detection, but that scalars themselves, lacking directionality, are not 'directional' as is EM wave propogation. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 19:29:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28714; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:29:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:29:14 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <2cfdd773.34b6eaf3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:28:50 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"9iR8k2.0.Z07.8ikjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3191 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: :A scalar, not being a vector, cannot posess 'direction'. Scalar :phenomena seems best understood as action at a distance rather than as :wave-like propogation. :A scalar product may be produced at point A, be totally undetectable at :point B, but still have a measurable effect at point C, with all points :being in line. This is nothing like EM wave propogation from what I've :seen. True, scalars themselves can't exhibit directionality, what we're looking for is the directionality of the "secondary" EM manifestation. In your experience, is there any correlation between source-detector distance and signal amplitude? :> :Actually, a grid of simple diode sensors may allow us to map scalar :> :effects around various translators, or even determine direction of "wave :> :fronts" (assuming that they are spaced far enough to see the time :> :difference and assuming they are not instantaneous). : :The problem here is getting sets of matched diodes that respond to the :external stimuli. Which is why I asked about "ordinary" p-n diodes... :I reccomend 'Scalar Field Interference Detectors' to fill this request. : :These are little more than a local EM signal generator, a scalar :transducer, impedance matching network, and a conventional coil placed :inside a Faraday cage. The conventional coil is placed around the :scalar translator, and any EM bleedoff resulting from external scalar :signals interfering with the local scalar field around the translator. :The currents induced in the conventional coil are fed to a conventional :radio receiver, and the local signal generator is used like a frequency :converter, once popular in Ham Radio circles. Hmm...sounds easier to build and calibrate, but aren't the local EM fields of the signal generator asymmetric, like the reception pattern of diodes? (I've never yet seen a true "monopole" antenna). Still, getting the interference and "downconversion" to occur in a field structure rather than a physical (temperature-, etc. dependent) structure should help eliminate sources of error... any specifics- what to connect to what? Are you talking about a hybrid-coil four-port matcher, with the sig. gen. into one port, and the coil, oscillator, and receiver to the other ports? Excitedly yours Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 19:56:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00090; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:56:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:56:08 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:58:21 +1100 Message-Id: <199801100458.PAA26860@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Researcher Network List Resent-Message-ID: <"wEmKZ2.0.71.N5ljq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:17 PM 1/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Folks! > >I get many phone calls, letters and emails from people who complain that >there is no one in their area who understands or is interested in >alternative science subjects. Most envy those of us who have local >friends they can personally meet or work with on a regular basis. > >Several months ago, it seemed like a good idea to post a list that would >let people provide their email, state/country, interests and city/town. > >This way, if you saw someone in your area who had like interests, you >could email them direct to arrange a meeting. You are invited to sign up >if you wish at; http://www.keelynet.htm/network.htm >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > > >Love to ADD my name to the network list but unable to find it Geoff (Solaris) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 20:46:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08527; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:46:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:46:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:46:36 +1100 Message-Id: <199801100446.PAA24520@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Resent-Message-ID: <"2wSHI2.0.752.rqljq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> :One thing that I am not sure of is how "big" scalar events are, or if >> :they are directional or even coherent. One diagram for a caudecous coil >> :shows the "scalar" beam emitted through the coil form (both ends). So, >> :placing two sensors a distance apart may some some events corelating, and >> :some not. >> >> Finally, a concrete suggestion on demystifying the directionality question! > >I think a quick bit of testing will show that the 'laser-like beam' >described in >that document does not match experimental reality. I know of no >sucessful reproductions of this claimed effect. > >A scalar, not being a vector, cannot posess 'direction'. Scalar >phenomena seems best understood as action at a distance rather than as >wave-like propogation. > >Bob Shannon > Right, and action-at-a-distance really means _no_ distance. And no distance means no time. It is the mind that imposes these through its quantum gating function. What we really have, beyond the veil of human perception, is all probabilities existing now. These are in "scalar" form until objectively reduced. IMO the means of reduction is through phase retardation. When waves become recurrent, we have awareness, and the object of awareness is programmed by the geometry of the composite waves. Regarding caduceus coils specifically, every dowser I have asked has detected an emitted "beam". One used this property to survey mineshafts with pinpoint accuracy. We also know the spinal column is often depicted, in occult literature, as a winged staff wrapped in a caduceus coil. It is, in effect, a biological generator of coherent, directional energy. In its idealized (resonant) state, it polarizes the neurosystem away from its sequential reality. Hence, it is wielded by Mercury, the intermediary with the divine. I think we have to ask, what is the identity of this subtle energy? To say it is "not scalar", by definition, is not very constructive. Some tend to use the term scalar as a noun rather than an adjective. OK, scalar "waves", but waves of what? As Fred Epps suggested a while ago, perhaps we should be looking at tensors (upon the aether) as the medium of all inter-dimensional effects. In this light, a scalar would be a special case of tensor in which convergent forces cancel. IOW a locally non-conservative window to an adjacent domain. On the other hand, the balance of directional tensors serve to modulate objective reality. One key fits both locks. Patrick Flannagan published a small booklet on them in which he described a communication device based upon non-cancelling tensors generated by stressed metal plates, each tuned to the other. This is also similar to some of Pavlita's devices. If we now go back to the simple bifilar coil, it might be said that there are _two_ modes of non-EM emission present. One is the tensor field produced by non-cancelling, but geometrically convergent, tensors. The other is a scalar component produced by zeroed vectors. We might also speculate that the interdependency of these is a significant factor in FE design. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 21:11:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26420; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:11:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:11:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B71E54.5F92@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:08:04 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Researcher Network List References: <199801100458.PAA26860@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1j2Yp2.0.fS6.3Cmjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Geoff! Yes, I screwed up...should have been .com instead of .htm I sent a correction...but try this; http://www.keelynet.com/network.htm guaranteed and certified...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 21:37:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28888; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:38:12 +1100 Message-Id: <199801100638.RAA27228@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Researcher Network List Resent-Message-ID: <"T85Ql3.0.H37.sZmjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:08 PM 1/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Geoff! > >Yes, I screwed up...should have been .com instead of .htm > >I sent a correction...but try this; http://www.keelynet.com/network.htm > >guaranteed and certified...seeya! >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > > >Yes I thought that what the problem was you should have an email by now with my details Thanks Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 9 22:41:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05104; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:40:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:40:52 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:39:16 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: FTL and the Casimir Effect Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"CHr9B.0.dF1.nVnjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Okay, I found a solid reference to the title of this post. K. Scharnhorst in Physics Letters B, 236, 354 (1990) Anybody know where to find this online? Yes, I can find the Phys. Lett. website, but they want money to look at it (credit cards only, which I don't have). This apparently reveals that between the plates in the experiment, local C is FASTER than in a vacuum! Sounds fairly important to me.. Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 01:38:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10573; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:38:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:38:40 -0800 Message-ID: <34B75D27.2D01@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:36:07 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla Electric Car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7-Fkv3.0.ta2.U6qjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts! I received a phone call recently from a fellow representing a group of experimenters. They had found one of the files on the electric car that Nikola Tesla drove around the Philly area back in the 1920's and were wanting to experiment with aether/zpe tapping. On checking the files, I had only one posted though the other two were on the KeelyNet mirrors, so I posted all three them in one place if you might be interested in reading about the car demonstrations....the first file has two articles that are quite good; http://www.keelynet.com/index98.htm click on Energy Also, Bruce Perrault let me buy a copy of an audio tape he had of the late Arthur Matthews. Matthews claimed that he and Tesla worked together at Matthews farm in Canada. The tape has a short section describing the Tesla car and Matthews claims Tesla used super efficient batteries located in the trunk. Another claim is that Tesla used broadcast power and that the car was in fact receiving and using that energy, though he drove it hundreds of miles away from Philadelphia. If you recall the Colorado Springs notes, people complained of drawing +8" sparks while they and their horses walked on the ground miles away from Teslas 'Magnifying' Transmitter. To my mind, such a system put into use today would create all kinds of problems with our sensitive electronic equipment....however, if Tesla was really tapping the aether/zpe on some frequency, to make a local power supply (as did Moray in his experiments where a car was driving down the highway, yet lamps were lit from the received energy), then that's what I want...a perpetual battery that taps aether/zpe flows wherever it is, just what is necessary to run a given load or appliance, that will do just fine thanks....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 01:58:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12642; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:58:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:58:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34B761BC.418A@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:55:40 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Building a Researcher List References: <34B75D27.2D01@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S794_1.0.853.oOqjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts! The Researcher Network List has 25 people since putting it online 01/07/98. The idea is for people to be able to contact like minded folk LOCALLY, to promote personal interaction in the form of discussions, experiments and general information/idea networking. Hopefully, it will seed various ideas and concepts that will be tested and the results shared with everyone via mailing lists, newsgroups, magazine articles and other networks. If you might be interested in signing on so that others in your area can know of your presence, check out; http://www.keelynet.com/network.htm The INE Contact database is also linked to this file.....Thanks... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 02:31:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16293; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:31:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:31:35 -0800 X-ROUTED: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:26:50 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <34B74DCC.D9C40C1A@southconn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:30:36 -0500 From: steve/paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Listing... References: <34B75D27.2D01@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mmjWc3.0.U-3.6uqjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry - you got our listing exactly right....don't listen to anyone who says you goofed up ... I am the one who lives on the houseboat on the savanah river, wanted the listing to be in both states so anyone looking by state would find us...thanks again for everything....steve opelc From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 11:50:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26678; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:50:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:50:11 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:49:51 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: spectrum wavemeter kits Resent-Message-ID: <"GcYPd.0.lW6.o3zjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:54:09 +0000 >To: ralph muha >From: G0BPS >Subject: Re: do you sell to US? >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Status: > >In message <34B5A491.71B314E2@minimal.com>, ralph muha > writes >>I'd like to buy one of those spectrum wavemeter kits. >> >Hi Ralph, > >It's easy. They cost 24.95 pounds plus 5 shipping making 29.95 in total > >You can pay by Visa, Mastercard or US Dollars. (I get to Dayton each >year and need US $$) If paying in Dollars the total price is $45.00 > >TTFN de .. >-- > >Dick G0BPS >Kanga Products >Seaview House, Crete Road East. >Folkestone Kent CT18 7EG. >Tel / Fax (44) (0) 1303 891106 > >http:\\www.kanga.demon.co.uk > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 12:19:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA30788; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:19:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:19:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34B7F365.B5@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:17:09 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Electronic Camoflage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dEtNq2.0.vW7.UVzjq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I need the help of the group mind (gestalt) to locate information regarding a recent TV broadcast. It is not free energy related but describes a near-Klingon visual cloaking screen. This is the description posted to me; "a TV program where they talked about a concept that would probably be used in future military camouflage...a fiber-optic screen around an object, a camera to photograph the background, and then displaying the background on the screen so that the object would blend in with the background...exactly the scope of my invention!...it might have been the Discovery Channel or some PBS program. I called the Discovery Channel but they couldn't give me any information unless I knew the day, time of day, or name of the program as this is the way their search program works. I plan to do some searching on the Discovery homepage and some PBS pages but wondered if anyone out there could provide any information on who is developing this system." Any assistance you fellows could provide would be appreciated immensely! Thanks! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 12:36:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16676; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:35:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:35:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B7DAC8.347A@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:32:08 -0500 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electronic Camoflage References: <34B7F365.B5@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GP0kF2.0.M44.Zkzjq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Any assistance you fellows could provide would be appreciated immensely! > Thanks! Hi all, This sounds like something I saw on a show called Future Fantastic, on TLC. Unfortunately, I don't remember the broadcast date, and I have not seen this episode since. The example they used, was the creature from Predator. I don't know much more than this, but I hope it helps.. ttyl -Steve King -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 13:09:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21000; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801102110.OAA26349@inficad.net> Reply-To: From: "Reed Huish" To: Subject: RE: Electronic Camoflage Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:13:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <34B7F365.B5@keelynet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"iJetM2.0.185.EE-jq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry, Yes, it was the TLC program. I have a copy on VHS tape if you would like me to send it to you...(just copy & mail back) By the way, I have about 50 other free energy related VHS tapes, some new and some quite rare about various f/e and antigravity technologies. I need to get a second VCR to dub the tapes. - Reed http://zenergy.com > Hi Folks! > > I need the help of the group mind (gestalt) to locate information > regarding a recent TV broadcast. It is not free energy related but > describes a near-Klingon visual cloaking screen. > > This is the description posted to me; From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 14:35:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22243; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:35:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:35:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34B81334.3C10@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:32:52 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electronic Camoflage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tYt271.0.JR5.qU_jq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts and Hello! Thanks to all who responded with information about the show on electronic visual camoflage, it was indeed the Learning Channel. Amazing how fast the answer was shared.....within 30 minutes of the post....thanks again! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 18:38:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02033; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:38:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:38:12 -0800 Message-ID: <34B7FBAD.26DF@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:52:29 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SCABARD AND SWORD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------19705F31A77" Resent-Message-ID: <"1tO5K.0.eV.I23kq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------19705F31A77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COPYRIGHT ROBBIE ROWNTREE SEND WERE YOU WILL please INCLUDE THE WRAPING OF FARTER CHRISTMAS As time ticks on the gift seems to grow like a dream remembered the rocker has changed from the sound of pain and the sign of a cross to the sword from the lord to slay the beast of greed well I knew the horse had a scabard while lerching round my hand has found the sword is anyone building? 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Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9312AC646D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE GIFT OF THE RRAMME PUMP COPYRIGHT OF Robbie Rowntree TO ALL WHO ACCEPT THIS GIFT IN THE SPIRIT IT IS GIVEN YOU ARE BLESSED A WILD HORSE HAS COME TO ME A SCABARD AT HIS SIDE HORSE AND RIDER WE ARE ONE AND NOW OUR HOOVES BEAT FREE THE RIDER DRAWS THE SWORD OF TRUTH AND SLASHES AT THE BEAST OF GREED AND AS A WAVE OF BLOOD RUNS FORTH BE CEARFULL OF THE CURL NOW TAKE YOUR BOARD OF LIFE MY SON AND DIP INTO THE SEA THE SEA OF MONENTUM SEA .I SEE , I SEE !, I SEE THE SEA! . 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Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Got the URL for the Physics Letters site? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 19:33:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12455; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:33:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:33:21 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:57:49 -0500 Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Message-ID: <19980110.222810.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8,10-15,17-29,31,33,36-40,45-52,54,56-57,59-62, 67-69,71-73,75-76,78-80 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"7iUuM.0.G23.-r3kq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:12:29 -0800 Bob Shannon writes: >A scalar, not being a vector, cannot posess 'direction'. Scalar >phenomena seems best understood as action at a distance rather than as >wave-like propogation. > >Some detectors do couple to some events while others may not couple to >the event. I've chased this aspect for many years, and I feel I'm closest to >understanding the experimental data when I abandon the conventional >concept of wave propogation. > >A scalar product may be produced at point A, be totally undetectable >at point B, but still have a measurable effect at point C, with all >points being in line. This is nothing like EM wave propogation from what >I've seen. > >> :Actually, a grid of simple diode sensors may allow us to map scalar >> :effects around various translators, or even determine direction of >"wave fronts" (assuming that they are spaced far enough to see the time >> :difference and assuming they are not instantaneous). > >The problem here is getting sets of matched diodes that respond to the >external stimuli. >> Excellent ideas! The grid layout will nail down once and for all >the "instantaneity" question..for that matter, how about those of us >with time and resources to do so build a set of detectors (identical as possible) >and time- correlate with the US Navy (or other suitable) website timebase for >a worldwide grid to look for celestial sources? This goes to the questions Rick >Monteverde raised in re: his experience with capacitor-type scalar detectors. >> With a large enough physical baseline it should be possible to >differentiate between local and celestial sources... Good points. I really had two things in mind. The large baseline experiment would allow us to prove the celestial effects, as well as gain experience. This would also allow us to compare new detector designs to the ones already discussed. The cap-dased designs may provide a good standard reference here. > >Detectors other than diode junctions might be a better choice, as its >vastly easier to produce sets of detectors that all respond to the >same external stimuli. > >> Now, how about a detector that doesn't require "sorted, special" >parts? Are ordinary diode "noise generator" circuits applicable? For that >matter, do Zener diode junctions show directional sensitivity to "scalars"? >Would ordinary diodes? If so, there's another alignment factor to >consider. I was thinking of a flat, 2-D grid...if they show directional sensitivity, >maybe a 3-D grid is in order. >>>> Mark L. Fergerson In my post, I threw out the diode idea as an representive detector, perhaps the neon detector would be better. The key idea was low-cost, to make an array. You could use a low number (even one or two) and keep repeating the test to create a map of "scalar events" around various scalar translators. That was the other point I wanted to make. >I think you will find that some detectors may have more sensitive >axies of detection, but that scalars themselves, lacking directionality, are >not 'directional' as is EM wave propogation. > I realize this point, but It is really hard to "articulate" myself when discussing scalar phenomena....often stuck using transverse EM terms. BTW Bob, we have a list of various scalar detectors....how about a good "beginners" listing of scalar translators? Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 20:05:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18703; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:05:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:05:32 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980110.222810.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:05:09 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Resent-Message-ID: <"yWLJU1.0.7a4.BK4kq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 9:57 PM -0500 1/10/98, Stephen L Heckman wrote: >how about a good "beginners" listing of scalar translators? how about http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/energy/translrt.asc From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 21:42:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01208; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:42:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:42:53 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <7a387cf5.34b85bcc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:42:35 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FTL and the Casimir Effect Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"zSdkb1.0.mI.Sl5kq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Phisics Letters B, etc. Physics Letters B (http://www.elsevier.nl/inca/publications/store/5/0/5/7/0/6/) More available there Kinda hard to search... Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 10 23:12:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02056; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:12:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:12:03 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980110.222810.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:11:20 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Recording scalars (was Re: zener diode...) Resent-Message-ID: <"n05ep3.0.0W.137kq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve Heckman wrote: > The large baseline experiment would allow > us to prove the celestial effects, as well as > gain experience. This would also allow us > to compare new detector designs to the ones > already discussed. The cap-dased designs > may provide a good standard reference > here. How do we get a reliable time base? I'm not sure computer clocks are all that great. Will that work? And if these waves are "in the earth" - interior rumblings, reverberating currents between the ionoshphere and the surface or whatever, then they might be at about the same phase anywhere on the surface. We'd need a vertical location to measure from too. I suppose someone on board a commericial flight could use one hooked up to a laptop or something. I've got a Hodowanec hooked up to the scope behind me right now. It'll be quiescent for a while, then suddenly light up with all kinds of waves in the audio frequency. It's in a steel box, but the shielding's not terrific. Hope it's not just some bozos on their CB's nearby. Fun to just watch, but I want to lsiten to it and analyze it. By the way, speaking of data recording - it just occured to me that I don't need any fancy data acquisition boards or anything. I was mulling over a $200 device for the Macintosh called ADB I/O http://www.bzzzzzz.com . It only samples at a max of 90 hz. But we can just feed signal to the sound port on a Macintosh, or presumably any PC similarly equipped with sound input capability. Most of the interesting signals are in the audio range anyway. Sound processing and analysis software can be used on the signals. Sampling is typically up to 44khz or so on common Macs, and I've got a 3D color spectrograph hiding on my disk somewhere. I'm not sure, but 'spot' reads at longer intervals like I was doing on the capacitor to see the diurnal waves might be acquired by scripting or using software macros and timers with sound software. Cool, huh? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 00:07:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07007; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:07:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:07:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:04:36 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Digest Mode 1.34 Messages per day Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199801110305_MC2-2EDE-6810@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id AAA06978 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pshes2.0.Oj1.gs7kq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: For those who are overwhelmed by the number of messages generated by this list, I highly recommend the digest mode. From Aug 19 to Dec 31, it generated an average of 1.34 messages per day. In the unlikely event that traffic slows down, the maximum delay is two days. The following is copied from the web page http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html ------------------------------------------------------- FREENRG-L DIGEST MODE A "digest" mode now exists for freenrg-L. The digest is actually a separate email list called freenrg-digest@eskimo.com. To use it, subscribe to the digest, then when you start receiving digest messages, unsubscribe yourself from the normal list. To converse with list users, send your messages to freenrg-L@eskimo.com, and *not* to freenrg-digest. The subscribe/unsubscribe commands are the same as for freenrg-l, but the address for commands is: freenrg-digest-request@eskimo.com The digest will be sent out every two days, or when the collected messages pass a size threshold of 40K, whichever comes first. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 06:27:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02422; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:27:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:27:32 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:08:07 -0500 Subject: Re: zener diode...) Message-ID: <19980111.092035.7678.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,18-19,21-27,32,34-36,38-41,44-46,48-53,56-58 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"Db_qu2.0.hb.JRDkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:11:20 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: >Steve Heckman wrote: > > > The large baseline experiment would allow > > us to prove the celestial effects, as well as > > gain experience. This would also allow us > > to compare new detector designs to the ones > > already discussed. The cap-dased designs > > may provide a good standard reference > > here. > >How do we get a reliable time base? I'm not sure computer clocks are >all that great. Will that work? > I think that a PC clock will work good enough. I'll check Monday with a coworker who has software that sets your PC's clock through your modem. It is run by eighter the NAVY or NTSI (WWV related). > I suppose someone on board a commericial flight could use one hooked up to a >laptop or something. That is an interesting idea! > >By the way, speaking of data recording - it just occured to me that I >don't need any fancy data acquisition boards or anything. If you connect the detector to a VCO (as one poster to this list has done), then the output is a tone which can be logged through a parallel port and a simple program in BASIC. One advantage of this approach is even the old XT LPT-port had 4 inputs, so one can use and old PC (80386SX and earlier models are free or nearly so :-) ). Newer bi-directional ports can log easily up to 12 detectors, with good software...you will probably have to write your own software :-( . >But we can just feed signal to the sound port on a Macintosh, or >presumably any PC similarly equipped with sound input capability. Most of the >interesting signals are in the audio range anyway. Sound processing >and analysis software can be used on the signals. my disk somewhere. Another coworker is into DSP, and has some software. Some works with the sound blaster (audio spectrum analysis, etc). Again, Monday I will get up a list and post it ASAP. > >I'm not sure, but 'spot' reads at longer intervals like I was doing on >the capacitor to see the diurnal waves might be acquired by scripting or >using software macros and timers with sound software. Cool, huh? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > Interesting direction we are going here. Too bad this didn't happen way back when Greg first had his article published RE magazine. Need someone to compile reports and post the results though.... Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 08:53:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19933; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:53:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:53:21 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Recording scalars Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:33:42 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: Lines: 36 Resent-Message-ID: <"ucUCE.0.Lt4._ZFkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >How do we get a reliable time base? I'm not sure computer clocks are all >that great. Will that work? There are programs that will synchronize your local computer clock to the Internet clock using Network Time Protocol which get traced back to NTIS or the Navy atomic clocks. I can e-mail it to any one that needs it, its only a 32K file for Windows95. Most operating systems have NTP support programs. Using some thing like WWVB at 60 kHz in the US might be a better idea. WWVB transmits a one bit per second representation of UTC (time). It is on 60 kHz and 77 kHz in some other parts of the world as well. If you phase lock to the zero crossings of the 60 kHz you also have a NTIS tracable frequency standard. At these long wave lengths propagation is reasonably stable and consistent except for local sun rise/set times. >And if these waves are "in the earth" - interior rumblings, reverberating >currents between the ionoshphere and the surface or whatever, then they >might be at about the same phase anywhere on the surface. We'd need a >vertical location to measure from too. A mine shaft, or oil well, would be more "interior", or do you mean you need a non-Earth reference point? -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 10:05:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA30408; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:05:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:05:16 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980110.222810.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:05:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Recording scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"2v8W12.0.1R7.QdGkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: >How do we get a reliable time base? I'm not sure computer clocks are all >that great. Will that work? Information about NTP (network time protocol) can be found at http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ For the Mac, there is a control panel called 'Network Time' that will sync your machine to any NTP server. There is NTP software for Windows and NT as well. There is also server software for Unix or Linux. Also, lots of info about how to connect a machine to a WWV or GPS receiver. Here, I have five machines (two Macs and three PCs running Linux) all on local ethernet. My internet gateway runs NTP and is always synched with one of three servers that each have some external reference (eg, one is connected to a NIST master clock, another has a GPS receiver, etc), and all my other machines sync to that one. >By the way, speaking of data recording - it just occured to me that I don't >need any fancy data acquisition boards or anything. I was mulling over a >$200 device for the Macintosh called ADB I/O http://www.bzzzzzz.com . It >only samples at a max of 90 hz. I've been thinking about getting one of these myself... Radio Shack also sells digital multimeters with serial ports. But with the ADB, which has outputs, you could build a rig that can sample multiple sources (eg, a temperature sensor as well as various cap voltages). But the 45 Hz bandwidth is not as much a limitation as you might think. >But we can just feed signal to the sound port on a Macintosh, or presumably >any PC similarly equipped with sound input capability. Most of the >interesting signals are in the audio range anyway. Sound processing and >analysis software can be used on the signals. Sampling is typically up to >44khz or so on common Macs, and I've got a 3D color spectrograph hiding on >my disk somewhere. Right, but you may be only looking at harmonics and missing the fundamental. (As you will see in the note below, TT Brown sampled every 3 minutes, or .0056 Hz.) Remember, that 'Old Faithful' black hole has a 30 minute period, ie, .00056 Hz. Any changes at this level will appear (to the soundcard) as slowly varying DC offsets that will be blocked by the card's input cap. Those 'Old Faithful' sounds that they have been playing on the radio were created by speeding up very low frequency data... Here is one of Brown's letters on the subject of data processing. Too bad he didn't have a computer... http://soteria.com/brown/letters/caltech3.htm > August 7, 1973 > > Dr. William P. > California Institute of Technology > Pasadena, California 91109 > > Dear Dr. P, > > The project I mentioned to you in my last letter is turning out > to be more expensive and time-consuming than I had anticipated. > There have been at least three full years of electrometer records > which have never been analyzed or charted against sidereal time. > The work involved has been tremendous. To give you an idea, the > instrument took a reading every 3 minutes. This means we are > processing about 170,000 readings for each year. I have had to put > two additional assistants, with electric calculators, to do the > job and it has not yet been completed. > > On initial inspection, I believe these data are significant and > will be of considerable assistance to us in seeking an > explanation. > > I shall be in touch with you as soon as the work is completed. > > Sincerely, > > T. Townsend Brown From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 10:23:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00508; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980110.222810.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:22:23 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Recording scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"1XBRh2.0.q7.cuGkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here's parts of another interesting letter from the Brown archive: http://soteria.com/brown/letters/caltech2.htm > June 1, 1973 > > Mr. T. Townsend Brown > P.O. Box 1565 > Avalon, California > 90704 > > Dear Mr. Brown, > > Thank you for your letter of 20 June. We found your personal > description of the experiment quite fascinating, and we have > discussed it among ourselves here subsequent to your visit. > >[...] > > My feeling is that before a serious study of astronomical > correlations can proceed, the effects should be brought to a point > that it is reproducible with the least complicated apparatus > possible so that it can be determined just which electromagnetic > effects play a role. This presumably would allow a more sensitive > apparatus to be built, optimizing those effects which are > important and deleting parts which are irrelevant to the effect. I > think you will have a difficult time convincing the astrophysical > community that the effects are real, unless the operation of the > basic apparatus is well-understood. > > Another suggestions regards your 1937 data: with modern > computers, it should be possible to do a thorough statistical > analysis of that data at a fairly moderate cost. A very rough > guess is that the hourly "raw" data could be keypunched onto IBM > cards for $100, and that an analysis might use several hundred > dolars worth of machine time. For example, it would be interesting > to see a Fourier spectrum of the data on all periods from hours to > months - this would indicate whether the time correlations that > you found are the strongest ones, or whether there are others > which have escaped attention thus far. > >[...] > > Regards, > > William P. > Asst. Professor of Physics From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 11:21:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11489; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:21:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:21:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980111131803.007595dc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:18:03 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: zener diode...) In-Reply-To: <19980111.092035.7678.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pEA-H.0.Lp2.-kHkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:08 1/11/98 -0500, a bunch of people wrote: >>By the way, speaking of data recording - it just occured to me that I >>don't need any fancy data acquisition boards or anything. > >If you connect the detector to a VCO (as one poster to this list has >done), then the output is a tone which can be logged through a parallel >port and a simple program in BASIC. One advantage of this approach is >even the old XT LPT-port had 4 inputs, so one can use and old PC (80386SX >and earlier models are free or nearly so :-) ). >Newer bi-directional ports can log easily up to 12 detectors, with good >software...you will probably have to write your own software :-( . Don't forget the game port. I've never connected anything to that, except an NE555 vco for datalogging. Visual basic is handy for writing the software, if you like GUI stuff, no matter which input you choose. I bought a Prairie Digital Model 30 DAS datalogging system. It's a PC card that features an 8-bit 8-channel A/D, 24 channels of DI/O, and a user configurable 12 bit cmos counter. Several years ago, it cost $79, and it included some simple software. It works quite well. I also bought a model 70 DVM /datalogger. It's an 18-bit A/D that connects to the serial port. It cost $239. This device worked OK on my XT, but it wouldn't work on my 486 laptop. I believe the software was the problem. I never bothered to sort it out, because I didn't need it by the time I bought the laptop. I think I should get it running. :) Prairie Digital Inc 846 17th street Prairie Du Sac, WI 53578 >Another coworker is into DSP, and has some software. Some works with the >sound blaster (audio spectrum analysis, etc). Again, Monday I will get up >a list and post it ASAP. For the PC, I highly recommend Cooledit, by Syntrillium Software. There is a shareware version dl-able from their web site. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 15:02:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26949; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:02:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:02:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Used electromagnet for the hauling (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"b-TEC.0.-a6.lzKkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Forwarded from physics teaching discussion. The 12" probably refers to the pole size. Therefor the entire device is probably many hundreds of pounds. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:34:48 -0600 (CST) From: "David A. Cornell" Reply-To: phys-l@atlantis.uwf.edu To: phys-l@atlantis.uwf.edu Subject: Used electromagnet for the hauling Harvey-Wells Magnion 12-inch electromagnet, 3-inch gap, Model HSR-1365B Power Supply, modified (1985) for series current regulation. Need to move to make place for another magnet and spectrometer for 60 MHz pulsed proton NMR work. Used, as is, yours for the hauling. Contact David Cornell, Physics Department Principia College, Elsah, IL 62028, E-mail: dcorn@prin.edu (not the listserv!), or phone 618-374-5293. ****************************************************************************** David A. Cornell Chair, Physics Department Professor of physics Society of Physics Students Principia College Chapter Advisor Elsah, IL 62028 USA Zone Eight Councilor Tel: 618-374-5293 (office) FAX: 618-374-5122 618-374-1006 (home) e-mail: dcorn@prin.edu ****************************************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 15:30:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16495; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:30:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:30:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:18:35 -0600 (CST) From: HackEd To: usa-tesla@list.iex.net cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Spud Guns (off-topic) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ip3Tr.0.e14.OOLkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Since this is WAY off topic, we oughta move it. Anyone looking for help with Spud Guns can just visit: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab837/index.html Just check out the Spud Section. Any other questions can be directed to my email address. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 18:02:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08026; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:02:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:02:48 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980110.222810.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:01:57 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Recording scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"fasCZ3.0.Hz1.5dNkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ralph Muha wrote: > Radio Shack also sells digital multimeters > with serial ports. Do they ever have Mac drivers? > But with the ADB, which has outputs, you > could build a rig that can sample multiple > sources (eg, a temperature sensor as well > as various cap voltages). I can send and receive on the serial port too of course, but then you're down to a whole driver & card sort of thing. However there are programs like 4th Dimension (i write 4D databases), which have some simple serial port calls. I wonder if that would work. If I could keep it simple on the hardware end... > But the 45 Hz bandwidth is not as much a > limitation as you might think. I know it isn't a bother. Perfect for the longer term stuff anyway. Watching the diurnal waves is fine at 1/2 hour intervals. Anything better than that is gravy as long as the detector impedence is high enough not to bother the detecting capacitor too much. Faster events are better recorded either as 'sound', or through a serial or better (SCSI?) card of some type. We'd need that of course for any propagation timing projects or that sort of thing. With PCs this stuff is easy and fairly cheap. With Macs, sheesh. Maybe get a cheap used PC just for this sort of thing. Must be a good used market on the early Pentiums or late 486s now? Heck, I even have a Powerbook with an '030 in it. That's like a 486 and it's still useful - for typing stuff. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 18:09:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09069; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:08:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:08:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980111131803.007595dc@palacenet.net> References: <19980111.092035.7678.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:08:12 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: zener diode...) Resent-Message-ID: <"MUAKU1.0.VD2.siNkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > I bought a Prairie Digital Model 30 DAS > datalogging system. It's a PC card that > features an 8-bit 8-channel A/D, 24 > channels of DI/O, and a user configurable > 12 bit cmos counter. Several years ago, it > cost $79, and it included some simple > software. It works quite well. See? This is what I was talking about. You people make me sick! ;) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 18:15:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05295; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:15:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:15:36 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980111.092035.7678.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <1bd2e616.34b6a228@aol.com> <34B6D90D.5FAF@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:15:48 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: zener diode...) Resent-Message-ID: <"Uwn4c2.0.eI1.6pNkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve - > Need someone to compile reports and post > the results though.... *There* you go. At leat Macs are still really good for that! :) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 11 20:16:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30862; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:16:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:16:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199801120416.PAA22230@random.tpgi.com.au> X-Mailer: EnRoute for Newton, Version 1.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by EnRoute for Newton) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:16 +1100 Subject: Almost Off Topic. From: Allan Alderson To: Free NRG Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5jAi72.0.2Y7.HaPkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I just heard a media report about NASA's Lunar Prospector checking for water on the moon. If they find any, it's to be used as a cheap rocket fuel! Did I miss something :-0 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 12:02:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01456; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:01:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:01:59 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:02:30 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: Almost Off Topic: Moon Pathfinder Cc: adsaa@tpgi.com.au Resent-Message-ID: <"V9zMJ2.0.bM.rQdkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I just heard a media report about NASA's Lunar Prospector checking for >water on the moon. If they find any, it's to be used as a cheap rocket fuel! > Did I miss something :-0 Yeah! IMHO, I believe that you will hear a lot of lies about this program (or maybe a small partial truth), as the data from the back-side of the moon will never reach the public - nor will any other really interesting material - such as detections or photos of disks, crafts, structures, roads, lights, etc., which have all been documented in other pictures by various researchers that have passed the critics photo tests... Believe what ever you want to... IMHO, rocket fuel is far from their interests. Water to drink, maybe. Add to Gatorade powder... Well after all, we kicked off the Indians, didn't we; and history says that they were not even here. Columbus "discovered" the place. Rubbish. People are missing A Lot. Keep digging. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 15:18:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19302; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:17:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:17:55 -0800 Message-ID: <34BAA40E.5741@centuryinter.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:15:26 -0600 From: andrew Reply-To: gyro@centuryinter.net Organization: the truth is out there X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Spud Guns (off-topic) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JCh0B2.0.Tj4.WIgkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HackEd wrote: > > Since this is WAY off topic, we oughta move it. > Anyone looking for help with Spud Guns can just visit: > http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab837/index.html > > Just check out the Spud Section. Any other questions can be directed to > my email address. Since we're already off-topic. Does anyone know of any high tech way to launch a potato farther that 200 yards ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 16:07:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00792; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:06:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:06:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BAD9E0.7CED@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:05:04 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <2cfdd773.34b6eaf3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HFZyI2.0.FC.50hkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > True, scalars themselves can't exhibit directionality, what we're looking > for is the directionality of the "secondary" EM manifestation. In your > experience, is there any correlation between source-detector distance and > signal amplitude? No direct correlation like the square of the distance rule for EM, but the majority of detectors I've worked with are highly non-linear, so it's tough to say for sure. > :The problem here is getting sets of matched diodes that respond to the > :external stimuli. > > Which is why I asked about "ordinary" p-n diodes... I'm not at all sure that these will 'detect' anything useful. > :I reccomend 'Scalar Field Interference Detectors' to fill this request. > : > :These are little more than a local EM signal generator, a scalar > :transducer, impedance matching network, and a conventional coil placed > :inside a Faraday cage. The conventional coil is placed around the > :scalar translator, and any EM bleedoff resulting from external scalar > :signals interfering with the local scalar field around the translator. > :The currents induced in the conventional coil are fed to a conventional > :radio receiver, and the local signal generator is used like a frequency > :converter, once popular in Ham Radio circles. > > Hmm...sounds easier to build and calibrate, but aren't the local EM fields > of the signal generator asymmetric, like the reception pattern of diodes? > (I've never yet seen a true "monopole" antenna). Still, getting the > interference and "downconversion" to occur in a field structure rather than a > physical (temperature-, etc. dependent) structure should help eliminate > sources of error... any specifics- what to connect to what? Are you talking > about a hybrid-coil four-port matcher, with the sig. gen. into one port, and > the coil, oscillator, and receiver to the other ports? An easy way to build one is to use a bifilar translator coil. This will present a very low impedance to the RF signal generator, and it will tend to reflect the input energy back to the source. For this reason, I usually route the RF from the external signal generator through the primary of an impedance matching transformer (often a phase splitting transformer) and then to a resistive load to ground. This makes the signal generator happy, and gets the translator to 'load up' and take power that is then dissapated in the load. For a bifilar translator, I take the two widnings at one end of the bifilar coil, and call this 'translator ground'. The other two remaining leads are fed from the two opposed phases from the secondary windings of my impedance matching phase splitter transformer. The center tap of the phase splitter of course connects to 'translator ground'. A conventional coil (two to three turns is plenty!) surrounds the bifilar translator. Electrostatic shielding eliminates any coupling between the signal generator connection, phase splitter, resistive load and scalar translator. Of course, this whole mess is placed within a good Faraday cage. Signal generator RF goes in though a coaxial connector, EM bleedoff is take out through another coax connector. As far as directionality goes, we can give this detector a prefered axis of detection by placing a static magnetic field inside the Faraday cage. I suppose that if you were to use Hemholtz coils and quatrature phased drive signals, you could produce a rotating magnetic field inside the Faraday cage and produce some form of 'scanning' detector to give bearing information, but I've not tried exactly this approach myself. (The most sensitive axis of detection as a function of the magnetic field geometery is shown by the Barkhausen Effect Detector design, the cone shaped field could be thought as presenting a larger target for an incomming wave, but its probably more correct to think of it as having greater scalar coupling in the most divergent area of the field, the funnel of the cone!) Of course, if the magnetic field inside the Faraday cage leaks, or saturates the cage, all bets are off. It would be hard to know that anything you detected was not an EM artifact coupling though the magnetic leakage. These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar phenomena your trying to measure. Oh yes, Field Interference detectors also have a drawback in that you need a good, stable signal generator, and a good receiver to use one. You also have the question of any given signal having been up-convreted or down-converted in the field interfence process. Anyone have a good scalar filter? (didn't think so.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 16:11:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02884; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:11:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:11:33 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD1F85.4BCA4320@pm3-133.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:09:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA02857 Resent-Message-ID: <"wnZf42.0.ti.q4hkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings all: Does anyone here know where I can get a cheap container that is legal for holding liquid nitrogen? By cheap I mean <$150. I had read on the internet that liquid nitrogen could be purchased and stored for a short time in a metal thermos, but thanks to the government, I am required to use a container that is specifically okayed for storing liquid nitrogen. To add insult to injury, they offered to sell me a Dewar to hold it...for a mere $995. Any help would be much appreciated. Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 16:56:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08020; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:55:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:55:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BAD6C2.DC5@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:51:46 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Water as Fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uLEvz1.0.Bz1.Dkhkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Finally got around to posting the 1935 Garrett patent with full details describing the demonstration of a 4 cylinder auto, operated solely from water taken from White Rock Lake in Dallas in 1934. There is much additional information in the file along with the 4 drawings showing its construction. Another file on a commercial unit that uses ultrasonics and water to provide oxygen also pertains. If you might be interested in such information, files are available at; http://www.keelynet/energy/ultraoxy.htm http://www.keelynet/energy/garrett.htm http://www.keelynet/energy/docx.htm or the master list; http://www.keelynet.htm/files.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 16:59:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08389; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:59:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:59:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:57:54 +1100 Message-Id: <199801130057.LAA14537@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Resent-Message-ID: <"DnJKD.0.x22.unhkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >As far as directionality goes, we can give this detector a prefered axis >of detection by placing a static magnetic field inside the Faraday >cage. I suppose that if you were to use Hemholtz coils and quatrature >phased drive signals, you could produce a rotating magnetic field inside >the Faraday cage and produce some form of 'scanning' detector to give >bearing information, but I've not tried exactly this approach myself. > >Of course, if the magnetic field inside the Faraday cage leaks, or >saturates the cage, all bets are off. It would be hard to know that >anything you detected was not an EM artifact coupling though the >magnetic leakage. > >These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but >they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic >operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call >these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar >phenomena your trying to measure. > >Bob Shannon > If you want non-directionality, why not use a spherical cage and bias it electrostatically. The detector can be a quartz sphere (sintered) supported at the neutral center by a stiff electrode. For exps, make up two, find the resonant frequency of each crystal, and drive each respective cage accordingly. Use white noise through a bifilar coil as the external transmission source. Feed the output of each crystal to an instrumentation amp. See how the summed amplitude changes as you rotate one sphere around the other, relative to the scalar emitter. No EM leakage. No imposed signature. No filter needed. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 17:22:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12399; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:21:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:21:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BAC11D.745A@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:19:25 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Water as Fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uGVaP1.0.d13.O6ikq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Finally got around to posting the 1935 Garrett patent with full details describing the demonstration of a 4 cylinder auto, operated solely from water taken from White Rock Lake in Dallas in 1934. There is much additional information in the file along with the 4 drawings showing its construction. Another file on a commercial unit that uses ultrasonics and water to provide oxygen also pertains. If you might be interested in such information, files are available at; http://www.keelynet/energy/ultraoxy.htm http://www.keelynet/energy/garrett.htm http://www.keelynet/energy/docx.htm or the master list; http://www.keelynet.htm/files.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 17:32:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14191; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:30:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801130130.TAA27388@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Fusor Video Tape To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"aCRXq.0.WT3.VGikq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: 1/12/98 A two hour fusor videotape has be produced by Richard Hull. There are three segments in this first of a series on the fusor. 1. The history of the fusor. 2. Theory/Hardware. 3. Fifty minutes of fusors in action. The price, including priority shipping, is $25 payable to Richard Hull. I was present during some of the videotaping by Richard this past September, but the video is entirely credited to him. He has done a masterful job and it is not an understatement to say there is not another video like it on this planet. Richard's address is: 7103 Hermitage Rd. Richmond, Va, 23228 The Truest of All Video Believers, RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 17:49:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29495; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:49:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:49:01 -0800 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Moray' Tube Message-ID: <19980112.204752.7479.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3469EBBE.7B3E@swipnet.se> <3.0.3.32.19971113174436.006ba0fc@palacenet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,8-20,25-26,30-33,36-44 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:45:05 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"Wo4aZ.0.QC7.5Wikq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:44:36 -0600 Jack DeMule writes: >At 17:13 11/13/97 -0800, Jerry wrote: > >>I have heard directly from Wes Crosiar and Bruce Perrault, indirectly >>from John Moreland where all have been saying the most common >>radioactive substance available at the time was radium and there is a distinct >>possibility that some of the free energy devices used radium to >>enhance the energy collection process. > >I have a hazy memory of reading that one of Tesla's designs >featured ultraviolet illumination of the collector. > >Possibly the use of radium and ultraviolet light are ways >of accomplishing the same end, which is ionization of the >surrounding atmosphere. Off-hand I'd expect this would >increase efficiency of the collector by increasing it's >effective area. > Just reviewing some of my old e-mail...this discussion reminded me of the "Uranium Burn" article in the Oct 95 issue of Extraordinary Science (now Tesla) mag, by Bruce Perreault. Made the same claim, about using UV as a catalyst to "burn" Uranium (UO2 costs about $8/pound, converting it to U3O8 using UV would heat a home all winter,according to the article). BTW, B. Perreault had a packet on T.H. Morray radiant energy receiver. Once it cost nearly $40(US). He had (I say had only because I just found the URL in an article that is several months old) the plans posted to his web site: http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/moray.html His book of course has more details, and is/was available from ITS (1-800-397-0137) for $24.45, and is called "Radient Energy Capture Device.Research Guide". If anyone has seen one or the other let me know your opinion. Thanks, Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 18:25:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08345; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:25:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:25:35 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34BAD9E0.7CED@tiac.net> References: <2cfdd773.34b6eaf3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:25:12 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"0KUWh.0.D22.T2jkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:05 PM -0500 1/12/98, Bob Shannon wrote: >These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but >they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic >operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call >these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar >phenomena your trying to measure. You mean the MIB will be able to track us down? ;-) >Oh yes, Field Interference detectors also have a drawback in that you >need a good, stable signal generator, and a good receiver to use one. >You also have the question of any given signal having been up-convreted >or down-converted in the field interfence process. Anyone have a good >scalar filter? So what kind of RF frequencies are we talking about? And what exactly is the interference mechanism? Is it additive or multiplicative? Can we construct a scalar superhet? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 21:09:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12459; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:58:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:58:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34BB0FD9.23B8@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:55:21 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Repost Water as Fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ReWAb1.0.W23.aHlkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts! Can't believe it, didn't check before sending and sure enough, left off the .com from keelynet...giving up generic drugs...so here it is again; Hi Folks! Finally got around to posting the 1935 Garrett patent with full details describing the demonstration of a 4 cylinder auto, operated solely from water taken from White Rock Lake in Dallas in 1934. There is much additional information in the file along with the 4 drawings showing its construction. Another file on a commercial unit that uses ultrasonics and water to provide oxygen also pertains. If you might be interested in such information, files are available at; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/ultraoxy.htm http://www.keelynet.com/energy/garrett.htm http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm or the master list; http://www.keelynet.com/files.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 21:44:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20508; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:41:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:41:49 -0800 Message-ID: <34BB1A18.2176@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:39:04 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Water as Fuel References: <34BAD6C2.DC5@keelynet.com> <34BADA2A.9822AC89@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TTtr-3.0.M05.Swlkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts John et al! John Berry wrote; > May I suggest that you copy and paste url's so you have no errors. I'll never 'have NO errors'....., but better yet, send it to myself first to recheck....when I post a new file on the website, I always check to make sure the URL works, caught quite a few that way, but mail is slower to get back...... I keep forgetting to add the report from our local machinist friend Ron Moore where he used an aircraft spark plug to put out a helluva spark to explode fuel. He said it would put out a 1" spark underwater...he got his plugs from a local aircraft surplus dealer. Perhaps the Doc X experiment using an aircraft sparkplug sending out a high intensity 42.8khz burst would explode water in a cylinder chamber to drive a piston.....this was Dale Ponds idea (based on Keely's water dissociation frequency of 42.8khz) that was ripped off by Stan Meyer. It is an excellent idea, but probably dangerous....with Doc X, the standing wave was what kept the energy contained before exploding. Keely reported 3 drops yielded 29,000 psi. Perhaps a standing wave could be injected into a single drop for a less powerful explosion, but still enough to drive a piston. Seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 22:01:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17586; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:58:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:58:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BB0238.B660C569@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:27:12 +1030 From: Greg Watson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: UpDate 13th Jan, 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3Yo9F2.0.fI4.TAmkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Looks like the possible patent infringments of SMOT may be too big of a problem for a future Dmec device. Seems like the suits think I am NUTs for the open disclosure approach I have adopted. I have suggested that the first item of business for Dmec will be to remove the SMOT device from the agreement between Dmec and my family trust. I have verbal agreement on this and may be able to ship the SMOTs in about 3 weeks. Anyone interested in manufacturing? Best Regards, Greg Watson PS: Suggest you review Hal Puthoff's work on ZPF, Inertia & the Casimir effect. ZPF & domain alignment tie in. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 22:29:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20623; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:26:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:26:15 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD1F85.4BCA4320@pm3-133.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:25:30 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers Resent-Message-ID: <"zfD5Y.0.425.5amkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kyle - Don't welding outfitters where you are rent dewars when you buy LN2? They do here, and this is backwater, technologically speaking. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 12 22:45:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29963; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:34:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:34:27 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34BAD9E0.7CED@tiac.net> <2cfdd773.34b6eaf3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:34:44 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Resent-Message-ID: <"GyB0H.0.5K7.ohmkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ralph - > You mean the MIB will be able to track us > down? ;-) Do your basic testing work at 60hz, or tap signals from TVs, microwave ovens, etc. They'll think it's just a loose wire or something. :) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 04:43:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18182; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:15:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:15:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BB7621.62B4@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:11:45 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Challenge to Time Travellers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IW-Ac1.0.yR4.Zhrkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts and Howdy! Recently, I removed some files purporting to be from some 'time travellers'. In 'retaliation' they posted a file with half-truths and repeating their claims. To my view, Time Travel should be something that can be proven, whether physical or mental. Really quite easily. I posted one method and am looking for other ways someone who claims to be able to traverse time could be tested, irrefutably. If you have some ideas, please read and post them; http://keelynet.com/time/proof.htm I remember a couple of years ago, there was a fellow spamming the various newsgroups with an email asking; "if anyone from the future reads this and time travel has been discovered, could they come back to this time and provide him with the winning lottery numbers so he could invest in the discovery of time travel that would let them traverse time in the first place." This will be fun, the dog will either hunt or it won't. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 05:44:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27932; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:40:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:40:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:10:27 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Almost Off Topic: Moon Pathfinder In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"67sjb.0.Lq6.Vxskq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message , Patrick Bailey writes >>I just heard a media report about NASA's Lunar Prospector checking for >>water on the moon. If they find any, it's to be used as a cheap rocket fuel! >> Did I miss something :-0 > >Yeah! > >IMHO, I believe that you will hear a lot of lies about this program (or >maybe a small partial truth), as the data from the back-side of the moon >will never reach the public - nor will any other really interesting >material - such as detections or photos of disks, crafts, structures, >roads, lights, etc., which have all been documented in other pictures by >various researchers that have passed the critics photo tests... > >Believe what ever you want to... > >IMHO, rocket fuel is far from their interests. > >Water to drink, maybe. Add to Gatorade powder... > >Well after all, we kicked off the Indians, didn't we; and history says that >they were not even here. Columbus "discovered" the place. Rubbish. > >People are missing A Lot. > >Keep digging. > > What was the military 'Clementine' mission all about a few years ago? No one seems to mention that it performed a high-res photo imaging of all of the moon's surface. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 06:50:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28914; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:45:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:45:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199801131445.PAA25396@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:32:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id GAA28879 Resent-Message-ID: <"gXHM71.0.a37.Lutkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >To my view, Time Travel should be something that can be proven, >whether physical or mental. Really quite easily. >I posted one method and am looking for other ways someone who claims to >be able to traverse time could be tested, irrefutably. Mental time travel, "by astral projection" can be tested, and has been tested and found to work. This belongs to the discipline of parapsychology, about which many books have been written. It also belongs to the military discipline of "remote viewing", about which some books have been written. It may have some relevance to free energy research. I seem to recall that some remote viewers were tasked to identify techniques that would evolve into free energy machines. Presumably something would then be done to the free energy researchers.... (eliminate them? sidetrack them?) Free Energy researchers may be under attack from time travellers. It may be why it is so difficult to make free energy machines, when the technology seems to so very simple, that Orrfyreus (spelling?) alias Bessler could do it, and Methernita can do it. Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 09:31:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23327; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:20:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:20:50 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <3316c648.34bba1a1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:17:20 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"__MwP2.0.Ci5.l9wkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, One way to free enegry, among many other things, is through control of gravity. It is with this in mind that I did the described experiment. It is very simple but I am not sure what is going on and would welcome comments. If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. Why? I have looked at three possible reasons which all appear unlikely: 1. Air currents around the aluminum providing lift. If you greatly increase the size of the sheet and heat only the center the same thing happens. 2. The increased volume of Al due to thermal expansion causes lift due to the weight of air displaced. If I did the calculation correctly this effect is at least 25 times too small. 3. Displacement of absorbed water vapor. I don't know off-hand how to calculate this but I live in a very dry climate and this just seems unlikely. Incidently, if I use aluminum foil the decrease in weight is about 5%. Is it obvious to someone what is going on? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 11:01:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12926; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:58:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:58:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BBB843.5811@post3.tele.dk> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:53:55 +0100 From: Martin Bech Reply-To: ms-bech@post3.tele.dk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? References: <3316c648.34bba1a1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"STN3d2.0.r93.Gbxkq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, When you heat aluminum to about 900 deg. C. it vaporises. The reason why I know this was a radio program, I heard some time ago. A listener asked what would happen if an aluminum ferry caught fire. Would it just disappear in the air or what? (the answer from the ferry company was that its fire security was so high that it would never come to that...) Regards Martin Bech ms-bech@post3.tele.dk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 11:50:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19273; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:36:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:36:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:35:07 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers In-Reply-To: <34BB7621.62B4@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vO3FW1.0.2j4.g8ykq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jerry wrote: -snip- > Recently, I removed some files purporting to be from some 'time > travellers'. In 'retaliation' they posted a file with > half-truths and repeating their claims. -snip- > > To my view, Time Travel should be something that can be proven, whether > physical or mental. Really quite easily. Who won the 1998 Super-Bowl (Greenbay 13-14 points (per vagas) over Denver) .. should be easy enough? -=se=- :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 12:59:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20006; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:01 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:08:24 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Almost Off Topic: Moon Pathfinder Resent-Message-ID: <"VHwKc1.0.kt4.aGzkq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Chris Morriss wrote: > No one seems to mention that it performed > a high-res photo imaging of all of the > moon's surface. This is a silly misunderstanding on my part, or a huge typo or something, right? No one mentions this? No one except all the major TV & newspaper reports I've ever seen about it, all the web sites, messages on this list and elsewhere, etc. etc. I like my UFO/moon-mars-artifact conspiracies too, but where do you get this one? They did little else but publicize this fact. Images appeared in all kinds of magazines and newspapers. Then NASA published tons of Clementine photos on the web, and has had CD sets available with all of them for some time. Did you mean no one in your immediate family seems to mention it? ;) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 14:36:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12831; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BBFFDC.4D5A@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:59:24 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YMBqW3.0.O83.YI-kq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve et al! In response to how to test the claims of a Time Traveller, Steve Ekwall wrote; > Who won the 1998 Super-Bowl (Greenbay 13-14 points (per vagas) over > Denver) .. should be easy enough? Yes, and put some bucks on it....I think the 'prediction' based on a future travel claim would have to be distributed to many well in advance of the event occurring....that is why the postal service would have the inforamation 'in transit' before, during and after the event happened, so there would be no chance of tampering. One fellow said he had gone backward to RELIVE 6 hours of his life, much like the movie 'Groundhog Day'.... There was a report about an electric minibike tested in Germany that ran about 30 kilometers, recharging the battery all the way. I can't remember the details but Tom Bearden said there was some kind of temporal effect so that as the energy extracted from the plate/acid reaction was reversed to recharge it in waves. I think it used a Tesla Switch circuit. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 15:39:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18572; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:33:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:33:14 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <451f4aec.34bbf7b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:24:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Scalar detectors (Was Re: zener etc.) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"TzvVx.0.5Y4.vc_kq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: :As far as directionality goes, we can give this detector a prefered axis :of detection by placing a static magnetic field inside the Faraday :cage. I suppose that if you were to use Hemholtz coils and quatrature :phased drive signals, you could produce a rotating magnetic field inside :the Faraday cage and produce some form of 'scanning' detector to give :bearing information, but I've not tried exactly this approach myself. !!! Off-topic warning!!! Does anyone on the list remember reading a Sci-Fi- story "The Listeners" by James E. Gunn? The plot revolves around aliens (remember the cold war 60's?) taking over Earth by spreading the design for a "mind control" device disguised as a "white sound" stress-relief generator- a magnet, a coil, and a small batery-powered amp, all in a metal box, connected to an earphone. An "entraining" subliminal signal was produced in the earphone... the signal itself was "undetectable" by conventional means...only a faint "rushing" sound in the phone (see below) Sound familiar? Ahem...back to the topic... Anyway, using a shaped "background" field to bias the directional aspect sounds good...what concerns me here is the shape of the bias field itself; I am certain the pattern of the "translator" coil itself will be directional as will that of the detector coil...what about a toroid coil setup (bifilar "primary", monofilar "secondary")? If the interaction volume is contained, rather than spreading out as a solenoidal field will, less trouble, no? A Helmholtz coil setup produces a nice, constant flux (radius of constant-field volume = 1/3 coil radius), and should work better, but the fringe-field effects might cancel any benefit... :(The most sensitive axis of detection as a function of the magnetic :field geometery is shown by the Barkhausen Effect Detector design, the :cone shaped field could be thought as presenting a larger target for an :incomming wave, Kinda what I had in mind; the _field_ is the antenna, the coils merely the mixer... :These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but :they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic :operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call :these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar :phenomena your trying to measure. Ralph Muha added: :So what kind of RF frequencies are we talking about? And what exactly :is the interference mechanism? Is it additive or multiplicative? Can :we construct a scalar superhet? You know, Bob, your description reminded me of _something_, and now I know what. You're describing the scalar analog of a regenerative detector; one that relies on an internal signal near the one being detected, for operation. A "superregen" (a regen with an amplifier in the loop) was called a "rushbox" many years ago, before becoming illegal, because of the interference (sounded like rushing water) they produced in the output, as well as other, nearby radios. Ralph's comments are useful only if adding/multiplying freq. works with scalar/EM interference (I suspect it does, just not the way we're used to). It's probably a multiplicative operation, due to two types of field interacting. Rather, the underlying scalar part of the RF interferes with the incoming scalar "wave". So, it sounds reasonable to expect differences in reception with different RF bias. How the bias RF freq would affect detected signal strength is beyond me; it sounds like a constantly-varying antenna. Not good with EM, but who knows? A "pure" scalar generated internal to the detector would give true heterodyne operation; no EM/scalar interaction to confuse things...(I think...) Also, do the strength of the EM /RF fields affect the freq (whatever) of the scalar being detected (like varying the element lengths in ordinary radio work)? If so, a varying-with-distance field will be very nonlinear and non- selective...more trouble than it's worth...which is a point in favor of the Helmholtz approach...now, how to build a toroidal Helmholtz coil?... OTOH, you said: : but its probably more correct to think of it as having :greater scalar coupling in the most divergent area of the field, the :funnel of the cone!) So perhaps a nonlinear field is essential? Have you tried linear (Helmholtz or toroid)? just some pre-theoretical ramblings... Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 15:42:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18232; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:31:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:31:08 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD2048.CDEF7B40@pm3-135.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:29:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2048.CDF71C60" Resent-Message-ID: <"NV7f9.0.hS4.wa_kq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2048.CDF71C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Rick Monteverde [SMTP:monteverde@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 12:25 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers > Kyle - > Don't welding outfitters where you are rent dewars when you buy LN2? = They > do here, and this is backwater, technologically speaking. > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI [Kyle R. Mcallister] =20 Well, I talked to one welding shop nearby and they only sell dewars. But = I will keep calling around. If I have to I will buy a dewar, but would = prefer not to. Down here on the Mississippi gulf coast I don't have = great numbers of resources. Kyle R. 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Yes, I realize that the mental aspect of time travelling is more appropriately parapsychology and I am of the opinion that detailed information can, under the right circumstances be achieved. My problem with the claims of 'time travellers' is they cannot or will not prove it, but rather want to draw an audience for some hidden purpose. The analogy to other alt tech claims is striking....where we simply ask for the one watt challenge for an overunity machine, or that an object lose weight under controlled conditions, so too do time travel claimants have a means of easily proving their claim.....by bringing back information or an object from the future.....the past is way open to condition because it's already happened, but the future is as far as my understanding not something that just anyone can reliably access.. Physical time travel, as this one TVC group CLAIMS, is wide open to all sorts of proofs....the paradox is that the proof cannot be public prior to the time of the event....this would probably cause undue attention to be focused on the event and place, causing it take skew to another probabilistic timeline. Thus, the info has to be somehow hidden or delayed by using the post office or a safe to hide the info or artifact. As to free energy, negentropy is a form of time travel, order out of chaos.....since everything devolves to chaos eventually, then if you could do one of those 180 degree + phase shifts, you could reverse the action...such as restore a battery...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 16:21:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02236; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:09:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:09:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113180625.00c5cf14@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:06:25 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: RE: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers In-Reply-To: <01BD2048.CDEF7B40@pm3-135.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ogmPI3.0.rY.590lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 17:29 1/13/98 -0600, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: >Well, I talked to one welding shop nearby and they only sell dewars. But I will keep calling around. If I have to I will buy a dewar, but would prefer not to. Down here on the Mississippi gulf coast I don't have great numbers of resources. Small Dewars turn up on the surplus market every now and again. Catalogs like "Bid Sales," and other industrial equipment disposal houses, have sold them in the past. "The Black Hole" surplus center, in Almgordo NM had some, but I think they went out of business. The residue from the super-collider may be hitting the surplus dealers about now.... I wish I could have gone to that auction! I saw some dewars for $45 in an industrial surplus catalog during the last year, but I don't remember their capacity. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 16:29:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09990; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:27:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:27:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD2050.B419BCA0@pm3-135.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Time travel? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:26:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA09867 Resent-Message-ID: <"tXlQa1.0.xR2.yP0lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Time Travel: Well... Just remember what Stephen Hawking said: If time travel were possible, we'd be visited by tourists from the future everyday. But what if they have a policy of noninterference? Let me ask this: Have anyone here really ever seen a policy respected by EVERY person alive? I think its safe to say that time travel is impossible. The Gunter Nimtz experiments sent Mozart's 40th FTL, and it didn't go back in time... Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 17:08:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14510; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:47:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:47:46 -0800 Message-ID: <34BC0ABC.235D3B5C@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:45:48 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time travel? References: <01BD2050.B419BCA0@pm3-135.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2VESm.0.eY3.ni0lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The problem with the tourist idea is that: 1. It is only true if you have your time mechanics so that is a possibility. 2. You are assuming it is known about by everyone 3. There ARE people that claim to be from the future! 4. If they can go to ANY time a t all, why would they come here to such a c**p time ;) John Berry Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Time Travel: Well... > > Just remember what Stephen Hawking said: If time travel were possible, we'd be visited by tourists from the future everyday. But what if they have a policy of noninterference? Let me ask this: Have anyone here really ever seen a policy respected by EVER Y person alive? I think its safe to say that time travel is impossible. The Gunter Nimtz experiments sent Mozart's 40th FTL, and it didn't go back in time... > > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 17:33:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14274; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:25:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3316c648.34bba1a1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:24:26 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Resent-Message-ID: <"NZmDW3.0.tU3.VG1lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it >horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. are you saying that the weight loss only occurs when the sheet is horizontal? so if you heat the sheet, it will weigh differently depending on its orientation? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 18:43:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24766; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:32:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:32:04 -0800 (PST) From: Nackles Message-ID: <7df27ecb.34bc1f22@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:12:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"AVhXl3.0.n26.TE2lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Try The Black Hole, 4015 Arkansas, Los Alamos, NM 87544. Phone 505-662-5053, fax 505-662-6077. Manager/Owner Ed Grothus. Last time I looked, he had several assorted kinds in the back, and up on shelves.... Mike Wilkins From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 18:47:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24973; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:33:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:33:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <451f4aec.34bbf7b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:31:51 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Scalar detectors (Was Re: zener etc.) Resent-Message-ID: <"QzEGC3.0.766.UF2lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 6:24 PM -0500 1/13/98, MFergerson wrote: > You know, Bob, your description reminded me of _something_, and now I know >what. You're describing the scalar analog of a regenerative detector; one that that's exactly what he's describing. take a look at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/regen.txt, which is Bob's description of a scalar super-regen receiver... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 19:24:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24451; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:19:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:19:53 -0800 Message-ID: <19980114031916.8423.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [153.35.182.252] From: "Chetter Hummin" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:19:15 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"Xoy9D1.0.yz5.Ox2lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Well, anyone who knows how to time travel also knows the ramifications. And thus would make sure they (or someone) could maintain tight control over it. Even the mere observence in the past will alter the present in unpredictable way, possibly making the circumstances that lead to the development of the time machine never happen... However, if somone wanted to travel to the future, they couldn't. They might be able to reach a *possible* future (a timeline), but the future can only be affected by the present and the past. You can lay out a chronology of a single timeline of a prospective future. However, if someone takes an action that will not produce that particular timeline, then it will not happen. But you can use the knowledge of that timeline to make the future turn out better... You can't necessarily be right, but you can make a difference... ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:00:17 -0800 From: Jerry To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Hi Anders et al! Yes, I realize that the mental aspect of time travelling is more appropriately parapsychology and I am of the opinion that detailed information can, under the right circumstances be achieved. My problem with the claims of 'time travellers' is they cannot or will not prove it, but rather want to draw an audience for some hidden purpose. The analogy to other alt tech claims is striking....where we simply ask for the one watt challenge for an overunity machine, or that an object lose weight under controlled conditions, so too do time travel claimants have a means of easily proving their claim.....by bringing back information or an object from the future.....the past is way open to condition because it's already happened, but the future is as far as my understanding not something that just anyone can reliably access.. Physical time travel, as this one TVC group CLAIMS, is wide open to all sorts of proofs....the paradox is that the proof cannot be public prior to the time of the event....this would probably cause undue attention to be focused on the event and place, causing it take skew to another probabilistic timeline. Thus, the info has to be somehow hidden or delayed by using the post office or a safe to hide the info or artifact. As to free energy, negentropy is a form of time travel, order out of chaos.....since everything devolves to chaos eventually, then if you could do one of those 180 degree + phase shifts, you could reverse the action...such as restore a battery...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 ----------------- Chetter Hummin chetterhummin@hotmail.com "We are always making progress in the field of Psychohistory..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 19:35:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04905; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:32:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:32:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113212855.00dd4c70@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:28:55 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers In-Reply-To: <7df27ecb.34bc1f22@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cvwxw3.0.TC1.A73lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 21:12 1/13/98 EST, you wrote: >Try The Black Hole, 4015 Arkansas, Los Alamos, NM 87544. Phone 505-662-5053, >fax 505-662-6077. Manager/Owner Ed Grothus. Last time I looked, he had >several assorted kinds in the back, and up on shelves.... >Mike Wilkins Thanks Mike! Crud! I did it again... another neural misfire. Yeah, Los Alamos! Gads, my memory is becoming faulty.... I hate that. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not mad... I'm just very, very, dissapointed." -Marvin the Martian mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 19:44:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29464; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:40:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:40:06 -0800 From: Jiyani Message-ID: <829fe455.34bc3138@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:29:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"RyXGv1.0.6C7.IE3lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: When the claim is made to you that one can time travel, ask them to go to your past and place a message in it which you will dictate to them in the present then immediately go to the designated place and see if your message has been placed there. EG: "Go to my past and find this book, (this leatherbound copy of Hood's Poems) which I obtained in 1963 and have not had any reason to re-read for twenty years. The binding had more appeal than the contents, so it has been on the shelf there for decades. Inside the back cover write, "Red rats really race, and time flies!" Results to expect; If time travel proof is given, you should be able to go immediately and open the book and find that the words have been written there sometime in the past, between 1963 and 1978. That allowed them a fifteen year span of linear time in which to place the message in your book. If it is not there you need not place any faith in their word. Tempus Fugitivo, Jiyani From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 20:09:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09139; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:53:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jiyani Message-ID: <3c0808db.34bc33df@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:41:17 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time travel / Stephan Hawking Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"_iR9C.0.eE2.hQ3lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I heard that he recently made the statement that time travel is possible. I'm not certain but I believe the information came to me via the Art Bell talk show, either a guest or Art said it had been stated by S H. Jiyani From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 20:49:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15579; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:43:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: <119b3571.34bc41c2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:40:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"BvU2n3.0.Lp3.y94lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-13 21:26:51 EST, you write: << > If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it >horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. are you saying that the weight loss only occurs when the sheet is horizontal? so if you heat the sheet, it will weigh differently depending on its orientation? >> I had done the experiment only with the sheet horizontal. Since you asked the question I repeated the test with the Al sheet vertical. The weight loss was approximately the same. I might add, in both cases, if the sheet is allowed to cool back to room temp the weight returns to its original value also. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 21:07:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19173; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:05:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:05:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BC46FF.FFC79D4B@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:02:56 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? References: <119b3571.34bc41c2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bBZbH2.0.Lh4.yT4lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How hot is the sheet (If you don't know, with what are you heating it) and is there weight loss when heating/cooling? K easy wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-13 21:26:51 EST, you write: > > << > > If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it > >horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. > > are you saying that the weight loss only occurs when the sheet is horizontal? > so if you heat the sheet, it will weigh differently depending on its > orientation? > >> > I had done the experiment only with the sheet horizontal. Since you asked the > question I repeated the test with the Al sheet vertical. The weight loss was > approximately the same. I might add, in both cases, if the sheet is allowed > to cool back to room temp the weight returns to its original value also. > Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 21:22:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21320; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BC657D.5323@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:13:01 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <19980114031916.8423.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gn9AG2.0.0D5.Sg4lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Chetter et al! Chetter Hummin wrote; > However, if someone takes an action that will not produce that > particular timeline, then it will not happen. But you can use the > knowledge of that timeline to make the future turn out better... You > can't necessarily be right, but you can make a difference... Well, I had an experience that I never considered a 'time travel'....a controlled lucid dream where I forced the viewing of the lottery numbers (4 million every 3 days in Texas)...I saw all 6 balls, but on waking could only remember 4, played them and won $120.00.... I agree that there are a myriad of timelines possible and that you might be able to foresee or even visit a future timeline, but there is no guarantee that it will happen because the actions of others or even yourself with a prescient knowledge could skew it to another path...we'll see when I win that lottery......seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 21:29:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24403; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:27:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:27:58 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:27:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: brush archives at case western reserve Resent-Message-ID: <"G1Jsc1.0.7z5.Tp4lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Charles F. Brush Collection at Case Western Reserve University http://www.cwru.edu/UL/SpecColl/Brush/Brush.htm they have a complete index of their archives, as well as photos of Brush and his laboratories... some snips from the list of publications: > "Changes in Density of the Ether and Some Optical Effects of Changes in > Ether Density" (1908) > "Discussion of a Kinetic Theory of Gravitation" (1914) > "Spontaneous Generation of Heat in Recently Hardened Steel" With R. A. > Hadfield (1917) > "Development of Magnetic Susceptibility in Manganese Steel by Prolonged > Heat Treatment" (1918) > "Some New Experiments in Gravitation: Fourth Paper" (1924) > "Some New Experiments in Gravitation: Changes in Weight of Metals under > Strain: Fifth Paper" (1925) > "Discussion of a Kinetic Theory of Gravitation III; Some Experimental > Evidence Supporting Theory; Continual Generation of Heat in Some > Igneous Rocks and Minerals, Relation of this to the Internal Heat of > the Earth and Presumably of the Sun" (1926) > "Persistent Generation of Heat in Some Rocks and Minerals; and Its > Probably Significance" Second Paper (1927) > "Discussion of the Kinetic Theory of Gravitation IV; Correlation of > Continual Generation of Heat in Some Substances, and Impairment of > Their Gravitational Acceleration" (1928) and from the list of laboratory notes: > "Hardened Steel" experiments, 1917-1919 > Free fall experiments, 1921-1929 > Change of Weight Experiments, 1924-1929 > Generation of heat by Gravitational waves experiment, 1925-1929 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 21:34:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25340; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:31:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:31:22 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34BBB843.5811@post3.tele.dk> References: <3316c648.34bba1a1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:31:32 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Resent-Message-ID: <"1kQVn2.0.sB6.fs4lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Martin - > A listener asked what would happen if an > aluminum ferry caught fire. Would it just > disappear in the air or what? What was that aluminum British warship in the Falklands conflict called - the Sheffield? That's what happens. Big passenger carrying vessels should *NOT* be made of aluminum. It burns fast and melts away or evaporates. > (the answer from the ferry company was > that its fire security was so high that it > would never come to that...) Probably about what the British Navy said concerning it's aluminum ships before the Sheffield. I hate corporate arrogance like that. Death by complacency. There's a movie out now about that. It's called "The Titanic". - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 22:18:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA31859; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:14:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:14:23 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <119b3571.34bc41c2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:14:39 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Resent-Message-ID: <"8lEMK1.0.in7.-U5lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ken - > I might add, in both cases, if the sheet is > allowed to cool back to room temp the > weight returns to its original value also. Somehow I doubt this would work as well in a vacuum. Do you have a vacuum chamber? A small balance would fit in a mayonnaise-jar-sized vacuum bell. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 23:01:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02943; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:58:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:58:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:57:45 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers In-Reply-To: <829fe455.34bc3138@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EJ63g3.0.tj.Y86lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jiyani wrote: > When the claim is made to you that one can time travel, ask them to go to your > past and place a message in it which you will dictate to them in the present > then immediately go to the designated place and see if your message has been > placed there. > EG: "Go to my past and find this book, (this leatherbound copy of Hood's > Poems) which I obtained in 1963 and have not had any reason to re-read for > twenty years. > The binding had more appeal than the contents, so it has been on the shelf > there for decades. Inside the back cover write, "Red rats really race, and > time flies!" > Results to expect; If time travel proof is given, you should be able to go > immediately and open the book and find that the words have been written there > sometime in the past, between 1963 and 1978. That allowed them a fifteen year > span of linear time in which to place the message in your book. If it is not > there you need not place any faith in their word. > > Tempus Fugitivo, > > Jiyani > > you didn't tell me "WHERE the book WAS" : IT's location for fifteen years remained a mystery... did you see "red rats really race.. and time flies!" all over your ISP's building and the freeway overpasses in your town???? no? rats..... suggest burying it remotely .. use GPS location (surely available in the future)... then dig it up & look :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 13 23:12:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03744; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:05:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:05:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:04:49 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? In-Reply-To: <119b3571.34bc41c2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RGBJ41.0.Pw.AF6lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > In a message dated 98-01-13 21:26:51 EST, you write: > << > > If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it > >horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. > > are you saying that the weight loss only occurs when the sheet is horizontal? > so if you heat the sheet, it will weigh differently depending on its > orientation? > >> > I had done the experiment only with the sheet horizontal. Since you asked the > question I repeated the test with the Al sheet vertical. The weight loss was > approximately the same. I might add, in both cases, if the sheet is allowed > to cool back to room temp the weight returns to its original value also. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > > Heat RISES! I think the around the world guys in hot air ballons have gone mostly with Mylar instead of Al though.... even lighter.. when it cools too, however ITS whole weight returns. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 01:42:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22891; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:39:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: <34BCA32E.578A@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:36:14 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <829fe455.34bc3138@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8DRzs.0.bb5.vU8lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jiyani et al! Jiyani wrote; > Inside the back cover write, "Red rats really race, and time flies!" > Results to expect; If time travel proof is given, you should be able > to go immediately and open the book and find that the words have been > written there sometime in the past, between 1963 and 1978. That > allowed them a fifteen year span of linear time in which to place the > message in your book. If it is not there you need not place any faith > in their word. What an interesting idea....reminds me of 'Bill & Teds' Excellent Adventure'....where everytime they got in a jam, they would remember in future to go back in the past to setup a condition that would get them out of their current jam....and they made a point of always setting their watch alarm to remind them to CYA for past blunders...gotta love it. So, if they can really do it, (time travel), we're covered for either a future or past proof...thanks Jiyani...I will add that to the file in case the claim is suddenly 'we can't go or have problems going into the future'....ok, so go into the past and prearrange something.... Now how do we make this apply to free energy......the battery thing (reversing the flow for negentropy) is all I can think of unless someone goes forward to steal a 'now-common' f/e or antigrav machine...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 01:52:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16612; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:51:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:51:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BCA4AB.5B69@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:42:35 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IyNhV.0.P34.Tg8lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve et al! Steve wrote; > you didn't tell me "WHERE the book WAS" : IT's location for fifteen > years remained a mystery. I have several old books and magazines which I can pinpoint the purchase of, date and location. So if you bought the book, you probably read it and would have noticed if there were inside markings, especially in red ink, possibly faded....but when this appears today, it would also have been there in your timeline now....puzzling....so you're idea of burying it to be located today, or like the Bill & Ted idea of arranging convenient escapes by going back....damnably confusing.... The idea of burying something, possibly from our time, back then, to be revealed today, that would do it also...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 02:06:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18280; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:05:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:05:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <+eeIiCAUYIv0EwWE@oroboros.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:32:04 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Almost Off Topic: Moon Pathfinder In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"iaTpM1.0.YT4.Ft8lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message , Rick Monteverde writes >Chris Morriss wrote: > > > No one seems to mention that it performed > > a high-res photo imaging of all of the > > moon's surface. > >This is a silly misunderstanding on my part, or a huge typo or something, >right? No one mentions this? No one except all the major TV & newspaper >reports I've ever seen about it, all the web sites, messages on this list >and elsewhere, etc. etc. > >I like my UFO/moon-mars-artifact conspiracies too, but where do you get >this one? They did little else but publicize this fact. Images appeared in >all kinds of magazines and newspapers. Then NASA published tons of >Clementine photos on the web, and has had CD sets available with all of >them for some time. > >Did you mean no one in your immediate family seems to mention it? ;) > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > > Well, here in the Uk, the media were going on about how this was the first moon mission for xx years, with only one mention that there had been a classified military mission that to quote the BBC, 'No-one knows much about'. Perhaps info about Clementine is much more widely distributed over in the ex-colonies! -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 03:27:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02931; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:26:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:26:31 -0800 Message-ID: <34BC6458.751E@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:08:08 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time travel? References: <01BD2050.B419BCA0@pm3-135.gpt.infi.net> <34BC0ABC.235D3B5C@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8sStM.0.ej.b3Alq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Perhaps time is a component of momentum the faster it goes the faster time goes the slower it goes the slower time goes this has been proven in experiment an atomic clock close to the disc of a very large flywheel,homopolar generator well in exhilaration time goes faster deceleration time goes back to where it was . perhaps time is like most other things going round and round and round coming back to were it started you learn your lessons you get off if you fail you go round and round and round until you do learn , getting dizzy yes me to , I must admit to puking a few times -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electric Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 03:29:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22728; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:27:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:27:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BC6800.7C57@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:23:44 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? References: <119b3571.34bc41c2@aol.com> <34BC46FF.FFC79D4B@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wHqNO.0.2Z5.Y4Alq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > > How hot is the sheet (If you don't know, with what are you heating it) and is > there weight loss when heating/cooling? > > K easy wrote: > > > In a message dated 98-01-13 21:26:51 EST, you write: > > > > << > > > If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it > > >horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. > > > > are you saying that the weight loss only occurs when the sheet is horizontal? > > so if you heat the sheet, it will weigh differently depending on its > > orientation? > > >> > > I had done the experiment only with the sheet horizontal. Since you asked the > > question I repeated the test with the Al sheet vertical. The weight loss was > > approximately the same. I might add, in both cases, if the sheet is allowed > > to cool back to room temp the weight returns to its original value also. > > Ken Keasy@aol.com Does this show that mass is a component of spin ,hot fast atomic spin what happens when you freezzzzit -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 06:24:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08078; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:22:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:22:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140956.KAA37272@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id GAA08017 Resent-Message-ID: <"c_Eve3.0.8-1.NeClq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >As to free energy, negentropy is a form of time travel, order out >of chaos.....since everything devolves to chaos eventually, then if >you could do one of those 180 degree + phase shifts, you could reverse >the action...such as restore a battery...seeya! Yes. We have a habit of viewing time as one dimensional. While occasionally talking of timelines and free will, which require multidimensional time. This is a kind of muddled thinking. A scientist once told about three dimensional time, and said that if one viewed time as being three (or more) dimensional, the paradoxes of timetravel disappeared. He had tried to build a time machine, with some success. He couldnt travel in time, but he could do strange things with time. His machine had similarities to the alledged Philadelphia experiment, which may be thought provoking. Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 06:25:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08059; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:22:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:22:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140954.KAA37152@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:13:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, keasy@aol.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id GAA07995 Resent-Message-ID: <"5CoY01.0.lz1.IeClq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > If you take a small piece of sheet aluminum (say 4" x 4"), place it >horizontal, and heat it, its weight will *decrease* by about 50 milligrams. >Why? I have looked at three possible reasons which all appear unlikely: > 1. Air currents around the aluminum providing lift. If you greatly >increase the size of the sheet and heat only the center the same thing >happens. Anyone who is familiar with accurate weighing should know that airdrafts affect the measurement, and that the object to be weighed has to have the same temperature as the surrounding air to get an accurate measurement. If the object is colder, downdrafts will increase the apparent weight. If it is hotter, updrafts will decrease the weight. Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 07:22:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04874; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:19:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:19:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19980114151839.710.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [153.34.20.221] From: "Chetter Hummin" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:18:38 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"NbgqW3.0.3C1.sTDlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I imagine that the stress of using a rapid deceleration to try to travel through time would turn a subject into a puddle of goo... I imagine that it's easy to visit the past or future in our dreams, since all of the consciousness in the universe truly has one Mind, but physically translocating your body into another timeline would seem to be nothing short of a miracle. So, what's stopping us? ;-) ----Original Message Follows---- From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >As to free energy, negentropy is a form of time travel, order out >of chaos.....since everything devolves to chaos eventually, then if >you could do one of those 180 degree + phase shifts, you could reverse >the action...such as restore a battery...seeya! Yes. We have a habit of viewing time as one dimensional. While occasionally talking of timelines and free will, which require multidimensional time. This is a kind of muddled thinking. A scientist once told about three dimensional time, and said that if one viewed time as being three (or more) dimensional, the paradoxes of timetravel disappeared. He had tried to build a time machine, with some success. He couldnt travel in time, but he could do strange things with time. His machine had similarities to the alledged Philadelphia experiment, which may be thought provoking. Regards, Anders ----------------- Chetter Hummin chetterhummin@hotmail.com "We are always making progress in the field of Psychohistory..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 07:39:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18357; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:36:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:36:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801141535.QAA49174@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:23:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Time travel? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, stk@sunherald.infi.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id HAA18331 Resent-Message-ID: <"dtR_X.0.jU4.9kDlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >ust remember what Stephen Hawking said: If time travel were possible, >we'd be visited by tourists from the future everyday. We are visited by strange beings in UFOs..... Who tend to play around with time.... Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 09:21:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA30486; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:16:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:16:20 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <7c40f69e.34bcf2b6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:15:30 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"AA8Qn3.0.9S7.YBFlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-14 02:08:38 EST, you write: << Heat RISES! I think the around the world guys in hot air ballons have gone mostly with Mylar instead of Al though.... even lighter.. when it cools too, however ITS whole weight returns. -=se=- >> Yes, hot air rises (and this may in some way be the explanation), but it does not in general grab vertical or even horizontal sheets of metals and pull them up with it, so far as I know. If it is confined then one expects it to create lift as in hot air ballons, etc. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 09:47:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03695; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:39:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:39:54 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <2e49cea1.34bcf693@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:32:01 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"WUZCY.0.Uv.eXFlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-14 01:19:19 EST, you write: << Somehow I doubt this would work as well in a vacuum. Do you have a vacuum chamber? A small balance would fit in a mayonnaise-jar-sized vacuum bell. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI >> I cannot readily use a vacuum, although I can and will try a sealed jar. In regard to other posts, the temperatures used were well below the melting point of aluminum, but several hundred degrees F. Also thermal drafts may in fact be the explanation. I will check that more closely although it seems unlikely to me a "draft" along a vertical sheet would cause the same weight loss as along the same horizontal sheet (when it is heated). Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 11:44:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA31062; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:30:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:30:38 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2e49cea1.34bcf693@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:30:28 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Resent-Message-ID: <"4n_rr.0.Db7.S9Hlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ken - > I will check that more closely although it > seems unlikely to me a "draft" along a > vertical sheet would cause the same weight > loss as along the same horizontal sheet > (when it is heated). It's called viscous drag, and it shows up quite noticably on even fairly slow moving relative flows, even if they are completely laminar (non-turbulent). I'm sure this is the answer to the weight loss you observed, but I imagine you'd want to check it yourself rather than take my word for it. A simple way without a vacuum chamber would be to weigh the metal plate together with a small wood or other insulated box. Heat the plate and put it in the box and weigh again. With the thermal currents at least temporarily enclosed within the box with the plate, you should see no weight difference until the outside of the box heats up. If your scale is accurate enough, you will still see a small difference as the plate heats the air inside the box. Although the flows inside can't drag on the plate in a way that changes their weight on your scale, the air inside there does become more buoyant. But in a small container, that should be negligible. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 12:37:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04793; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BD3BDB.6847@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:27:39 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <199801140956.KAA37272@sdn5.csc.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k020M2.0.bA1.i2Ilq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Anders et al! With regard to actual time travel techniques...Dr. Alex Frolov had a fellow at one of their Russian conferences a couple of years ago... This guy claimed to be able to alter time by seconds by using a series of spherical nested coils. Each coil was swept with a high density magnetic field, becoming increasingly more intense the closer you get to the middle. He likened the design to those little Russian dolls that fit one within another (can't recall the name).... But whatever was in the middle of this arrangement would be disattached from the normal time stream. John Keely said 'time is gravity'....his short way of indictating that the flow of gravity into mass is what clocks the birth, maturation and death of that mass, which we perceive as the 'passage' of time. Since, IMHO, gravity is the child of aether, if you alter the flow of aether in a given object, not only can you increase or decrease its weight, but you could dissociate the mass, or alter its relationship to the normal ambient time stream. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 14:20:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21037; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:14:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:14:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801142212.RAA13308@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:04:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bcAfl1.0.Y85.pYJlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Jerry > This guy claimed to be able to alter time by seconds by using a series of > spherical nested coils. This seems like as good a time as any to mention the group that sent me unsolicited e-mail a few weeks ago. See http://www.damanhur.org/time/ Basically this web site claims to represent a secret society based in Italy at what they claim is one of only two junctions of six ley lines. (The other is, naturally, in Tibet.) Strangely, they have a map of the ley-lines on one of their pages and the lines wander around like drunken snails. Everybody else, going clear back to Reverend Watkins, says that the lines are straight. Anyway, they claim that they can travel in time by virtue of their location and a special mineral their temple is built of, plus the architecture of the building, using a spherical device that consists of a series of de la Warr -style spiral radionic tuning coils surrounding a flask of a certain alchemical preparation. In other words, a lot of extravagant claims with no details, but I've got to wonder why they'd make up such a *huge* web site (I still haven't seen it all, and Umberto Eco could write a best-seller out of the thing) if they were indeed making it up, and it's certainly possible to sell a religion without claiming time-travel. -- Excuse me, but I'm in the middle of fifteen things, all of them annoying. --Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 15:44:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24860; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:23:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:23:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD2110.C2B55920@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "'I3683'" Subject: RE: Ang.: Time travel? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:20:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id PAA24592 Resent-Message-ID: <"25aNa1.0.M46.WZKlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- From: I3683[SMTP:i3683@csc.dk] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 10:23 AM To: stk@sunherald.infi.net; freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Ang.: Time travel? >>ust remember what Stephen Hawking said: If time travel were possible, >>we'd be visited by tourists from the future everyday. >We are visited by strange beings in UFOs..... >Who tend to play around with time.... >Regards, Anders Hmm... didn't think of that. FTL travel would dilate time in reverse. But then I've never bought Minkowskian space-time theory much in the first place. Especially considering the Gunter Nimtz experiments of FTL transmission. No backwards in time moving. If FTL cant send you back in t ime, I don't know what could. And now there's conclusive evidence that it can't. But there is still hope... Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 16:09:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07240; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:55:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:55:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801142212.RAA13308@csrlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:54:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <"prbj31.0.rm1.m1Llq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 5:04 PM -0500 1/14/98, Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: >preparation. In other words, a lot of extravagant claims with no >details, but I've got to wonder why they'd make up such a *huge* web >site (I still haven't seen it all, and Umberto Eco could write a >best-seller out of the thing) if they were indeed making it up, and remember, those 'Heaven's Gate' folks were web designers, too... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 18:05:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05352; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:00:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:00:24 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2e49cea1.34bcf693@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:00:10 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Resent-Message-ID: <"Mh6gk.0.XJ1.tsMlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: can you provide a more detailed description of your experiment? eg, dimensions of the aluminum, weight at room temp, % weight loss when heated, approximate temp, method of heating, type of scale, etc... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 18:12:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08247; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:10:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:10:08 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:31:37 -0500 Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma Message-ID: <19980114.210254.6382.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <34BAD9E0.7CED@tiac.net> <2cfdd773.34b6eaf3@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-16,19-20,25-26,28,30-32 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"rWxhn2.0.l02.-_Mlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:34:44 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: >Ralph - > > > You mean the MIB will be able to track us > > down? ;-) > >Do your basic testing work at 60hz, or tap signals from TVs, microwave >ovens, etc. They'll think it's just a loose wire or something. :) > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > > Make a decoy and see who shows up.... In an older issue of Extraordinary Science, there was an article someone wrote on using a simple scalar transmitter to counteract the effects of ground currents from power lines (used a "mobius" antenna). Also, saw a product somewhere that you wore that was basicly a little scalar transmitter. It was to protect you from EM, but I am starting to suspect the the health problems due to RF that the public is so worried about may actually be due to certain scalar effects (note TVQ's warning about cold currents posted on Keelynet). Add in all the transformers with a shorted turn, etc the noise floor would be quite high. Modulate your signal, now, that may make it stand out like a sore thumb....if they are listening :-) Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 19:31:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26200; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:28:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:28:20 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:20:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Fusor Video Message-ID: <19980114.222019.6382.5.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199801011558.JAA22359@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-17,22-23,25-31 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"tOrWl.0.HP6.I9Olq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:58:32 -0600 (CST) rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) writes: >1/1/98 > >Happy New Year All, > >I have previously posted on this list as to the rediscovery of an old >device -- The Farnsworth Hirsch Multipactor Fusor -- and its ability >to >to perform table top cold fusion. Admittedly there is debate whether >it is cold or hot fusion, but this is definitional. Hi all. Took a look at this site.... www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/moray.html which is actually a link to their new page. Origionally it was promised (in a mag. article) that a schmatic of moray's device would be there. Never the less, it had some info that refered to the fusor and Hull's tape...especally the "star-mode", the inclusion of radioactive material and it's tie-in to Moray's tube. The article was by Perreault...claims to have a book out (sold by the Tesla Bookstore). Gave some info yesterday, but didn't see the e-mail reflected back. Wonder were it went? :-O Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 19:56:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14084; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:03 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34BC657D.5323@keelynet.com> References: <19980114031916.8423.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:40:31 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id TAA14054 Resent-Message-ID: <"6R9ox3.0.vR3.eTOlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Both past and future viewing is possible but not interaction as far as I know. It has been taught in eastern disciplines that the akashic record of the past is available for viewing by anyone with sufficiently developed consciousness. Likewise precognition may be accurate at the time of cognition, but is subject to change at a later time. This accounts for why some predictions fail. They are accurate at the time of prediction, but if viewed sometime later -- yet before the event is to occur -- the event may have been prevented. In fact, this is the best use of prophecy... to warn society of an impending doom which causes a change in behavior which makes it NOT happen. The best predictions are the ones which become averted. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 19:56:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14107; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:08 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <119b3571.34bc41c2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:45:31 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id TAA14067 Resent-Message-ID: <"C1tY31.0.KS3.kTOlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Heat RISES! I think the around the world guys in hot air ballons have >gone mostly with Mylar instead of Al though.... even lighter.. when it >cools too, however ITS whole weight returns. > >-=se=- Heat does not rise. I moves toward regions of cold to equalize them without regard to direction. Hot air rises in relation to the colder air due to less density (due to its expansion). A picky point but it has caused trouble for sloppy thinkers who expect ed heat to rise (and it didn't). Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 14 23:13:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13348; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:10:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:10:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD2149.F5772F80@ts002d16.mer-id.concentric.net> From: Paul Brown To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Fusor Video Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:10:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2149.F5805740" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q4aGs1.0.UG3.lPRlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2149.F5805740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perrault's "Starmode" simply looks like a spark in a gap to me. The = circuit appears to be a spark-gap oscillator built by this Calvin = Bahlman at International High Technology rather than anything built by = Perrault. Am I missing something? -----Original Message----- From: Stephen L Heckman [SMTP:steve-nyeoka@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 8:20 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fusor Video On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:58:32 -0600 (CST) rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) writes: >1/1/98 > >Happy New Year All, > >I have previously posted on this list as to the rediscovery of an old=20 >device -- The Farnsworth Hirsch Multipactor Fusor -- and its ability=20 >to=20 >to perform table top cold fusion. Admittedly there is debate whether=20 >it is cold or hot fusion, but this is definitional. =20 Hi all. Took a look at this site.... www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/moray.html which is actually a link to their new page. Origionally it was promised (in a mag. article) that a schmatic of moray's device would be there. Never the less, it had some info that refered to the fusor and Hull's tape...especally the "star-mode", the inclusion of radioactive material and it's tie-in to Moray's tube. The article was by Perreault...claims to have a book out (sold by the Tesla Bookstore). Gave some info yesterday, but didn't see the e-mail reflected back.=20 Wonder were it went? :-O Steve Heckman ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2149.F5805740 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhEHAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAqAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAARwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGZyZWVucmctbEBlc2tp bW8uY29tAFNNVFAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5jb20AAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAD MAEAAAAVAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5jb20AAAAAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAA FwAAACdmcmVlbnJnLWxAZXNraW1vLmNvbScAAAIBCzABAAAAGgAAAFNNVFA6RlJFRU5SRy1MQEVT S0lNTy5DT00AAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAHgD2XwEAAAAVAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5j b20AAAAAAgH3XwEAAABHAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2lt by5jb20AU01UUABmcmVlbnJnLWxAZXNraW1vLmNvbQAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB9g8BAAAA BAAAAAAAAAL5VwEEgAEAEAAAAFJFOiBGdXNvciBWaWRlbwAXBQEFgAMADgAAAM4HAQAPAAAACgAE 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Explain? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"QuUVd3.0.qw.vAZlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-14 14:43:41 EST, you write: << It's called viscous drag, and it shows up quite noticably on even fairly slow moving relative flows, even if they are completely laminar (non-turbulent). I'm sure this is the answer to the weight loss you observed, but I imagine you'd want to check it yourself rather than take my word for it. A simple way without a vacuum chamber would be to weigh the metal plate together with a small wood or other insulated box. Heat the plate and put it in the box and weigh again. With the thermal currents at least temporarily enclosed within the box with the plate, you should see no weight difference until the outside of the box heats up. If your scale is accurate enough, you will still see a small difference as the plate heats the air inside the box. Although the flows inside can't drag on the plate in a way that changes their weight on your scale, the air inside there does become more buoyant. But in a small container, that should be negligible. - Rick Monteverde >> Thanks Rick. I think you are right, but I did have to try it myself. I took an ordinary jar, uncovered, and put a resistor in it connected to a power supply with tiny wires. When I put current through the resistor, the resistor/jar immediately lost about 50 milligrams in weight. I repeated the experiment with a top on the jar, with a small hole through the top for the wires, and the small hole sealed with adhesive. Then when I put current through the resistor there was absolutely NO change in weight. I think these air density/air current effects explain the aluminum sheet measurements also. Thanks to all who had questions/suggestions. Now its on to magnet/electromagnetic measurements using the scale, which was my reason for getting the sensitive scale and is an area I can work in a little more competently. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 10:28:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27955; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:13:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:13:49 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <942e648a.34be31df@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:12:52 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Thermal Effect,Can Someone Explain? Resent-Message-ID: <"XWV5F.0.eq6.Q7blq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ken - > Then when I put current through the > resistor there was absolutely NO change in > weight. Good idea using a sealed jar and a resistor! I was thinking of an unsealed box for some reason and assumed expanded air heated by the warm plate would displace a little air mass in any case, causing a small residual weight loss. Your upcoming electrical experiments could prove to be more interesting. Got bismuth? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 15:47:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23127; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:47:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:47:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BEC9A4.1038@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:44:52 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma References: <2cfdd773.34b6eaf3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PEaV7.0.Ff5.a0glq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > At 10:05 PM -0500 1/12/98, Bob Shannon wrote: > >These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but > >they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic > >operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call > >these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar > >phenomena your trying to measure. > > You mean the MIB will be able to track us down? ;-) You bet, them as well as others too! > >Oh yes, Field Interference detectors also have a drawback in that you > >need a good, stable signal generator, and a good receiver to use one. > >You also have the question of any given signal having been up-convreted > >or down-converted in the field interfence process. Anyone have a good > >scalar filter? > > So what kind of RF frequencies are we talking about? And what exactly > is the interference mechanism? Is it additive or multiplicative? Can > we construct a scalar superhet? My Field Interference detectors have been used mainly in the lower HF spectrum, and some (interesting!) VLF work as well. I've never gone much above 15 Mhz or so...... Field Interference detectors are superhet scalar to EM converters, and EM to scalar translators also. Essentially, they are scalar tranceivers with the right external equipment. > > r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 16:15:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28778; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:14:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:14:52 -0800 Message-ID: <34BED03B.6927@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:12:59 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travelers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T8W3A1.0.Q17.wPglq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Steve et al! > > In response to how to test the claims of a Time Traveller, Steve Ekwall > wrote; > > Who won the 1998 Super-Bowl (Greenbay 13-14 points (per vagas) over > > Denver) .. should be easy enough? > > Yes, and put some bucks on it....I think the 'prediction' based on a > future travel claim would have to be distributed to many well in advance > of the event occurring....that is why the postal service would have the > inforamation 'in transit' before, during and after the event happened, so > there would be no chance of tampering. But bringing the results back from the future IS tampering with the time line! Heck, its simpler than that, just leaving your current time line to reach a possible future means that your personal time line has diverged, putting you into the 'future'. If you then leave the 'future' and try to return to the past, you may well arrive in a past, but it cannot be the same exact past you originally left, you carry new information from your trip and this may effect the evolution of the time line you skipped over on your way to the future. It seems that there is not a single future, but several. EAch and every time you time travel, you alter time itself. If you did not alter time, you did not travel through time. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 16:38:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01491; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:38:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:38:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BED41C.66D7@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:35:33 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar detectors (Was Re: zener etc.) References: <451f4aec.34bbf7b2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eJeG32.0.CN.4mglq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > :As far as directionality goes, we can give this detector a prefered axis > :of detection by placing a static magnetic field inside the Faraday > :cage. I suppose that if you were to use Hemholtz coils and quatrature > :phased drive signals, you could produce a rotating magnetic field inside > :the Faraday cage and produce some form of 'scanning' detector to give > :bearing information, but I've not tried exactly this approach myself. > > !!! Off-topic warning!!! > > Does anyone on the list remember reading a Sci-Fi- story "The Listeners" by > James E. Gunn? The plot revolves around aliens (remember the cold war 60's?) > taking over Earth by spreading the design for a "mind control" device > disguised as a "white sound" stress-relief generator- a magnet, a coil, and a > small batery-powered amp, all in a metal box, connected to an earphone. An > "entraining" subliminal signal was produced in the earphone... the signal > itself was "undetectable" by conventional means...only a faint "rushing" sound > in the phone (see below) > > Sound familiar? Uh-oh, you've been peeking! Oh well, time for plan 9 I guess. Maybe I'll relax by watching 'They Live' again. > Ahem...back to the topic... > > Anyway, using a shaped "background" field to bias the directional aspect > sounds good...what concerns me here is the shape of the bias field itself; I > am certain the pattern of the "translator" coil itself will be directional as > will that of the detector coil...what about a toroid coil setup (bifilar > "primary", monofilar "secondary")? If the interaction volume is contained, > rather than spreading out as a solenoidal field will, less trouble, no? A > Helmholtz coil setup produces a nice, constant flux (radius of constant-field > volume = 1/3 coil radius), and should work better, but the fringe-field > effects might cancel any benefit... An interesting thought, the frigne field would need to be contained by shielding inside the Faraday cage I expect. > :(The most sensitive axis of detection as a function of the magnetic > :field geometery is shown by the Barkhausen Effect Detector design, the > :cone shaped field could be thought as presenting a larger target for an > :incomming wave, > > Kinda what I had in mind; the _field_ is the antenna, the coils merely the > mixer... Exactly right! > :These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but > :they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic > :operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call > :these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar > :phenomena your trying to measure. > > Ralph Muha added: > > :So what kind of RF frequencies are we talking about? And what exactly > :is the interference mechanism? Is it additive or multiplicative? Can > :we construct a scalar superhet? > > You know, Bob, your description reminded me of _something_, and now I know > what. You're describing the scalar analog of a regenerative detector; one that > relies on an internal signal near the one being detected, for operation. A > "superregen" (a regen with an amplifier in the loop) was called a "rushbox" > many years ago, before becoming illegal, because of the interference (sounded > like rushing water) they produced in the output, as well as other, nearby > radios. Yes, their limitations are very simiar to regen or super-regen radio receivers. But we also have regenerative scalar detector designs, so dont confuse these too much, the operating process is true superhetrodyne conversion. > Ralph's comments are useful only if adding/multiplying freq. works with > scalar/EM interference (I suspect it does, just not the way we're used to). > It's probably a multiplicative operation, due to two types of field > interacting. Rather, the underlying scalar part of the RF interferes with the > incoming scalar "wave". So, it sounds reasonable to expect differences in > reception with different RF bias. How the bias RF freq would affect detected > signal strength is beyond me; it sounds like a constantly-varying antenna. Not > good with EM, but who knows? When we go from EM to scalar, we double the frequency as we have two points of maximum potential per EM cycle. DEtect the scalar product with a linear detector, and we find it at twice the frequency of the original EM input. This suggests that the frequency doubling in part of the EM to scalar conversion rather than a function of the scalar to EM detection process. It also makes good sense once you look at the two points of maximum opposed potential per EM cycle of the input wave. > A "pure" scalar generated internal to the detector would give true > heterodyne operation; no EM/scalar interaction to confuse things...(I > think...) ?? We do use a "pure" scalar internal to the detector. But if this scalar is ut of phase with an incident scalar wave, we produce an EM product that is detected by the coil. It's a scalar to scalar interaction yeilding an EM product. > Also, do the strength of the EM /RF fields affect the freq (whatever) of the > scalar being detected (like varying the element lengths in ordinary radio > work)? If so, a varying-with-distance field will be very nonlinear and non- > selective...more trouble than it's worth...which is a point in favor of the > Helmholtz approach...now, how to build a toroidal Helmholtz coil?... I feed in a few milliwatts, not wanting to zap my receiver with a large EMP is a large scalar event were to be detected, I only want to translate a small fraction of it back into EM for detection. > OTOH, you said: > > : but its probably more correct to think of it as having > :greater scalar coupling in the most divergent area of the field, the > :funnel of the cone!) > > So perhaps a nonlinear field is essential? Have you tried linear (Helmholtz > or toroid)? The divergent part of the field seems to be responsible for the apparent directionality of the detector, not the unifom field area. I would allow the divergent field external to the Hemholtz coils to be my rotating fiend funnels, as it were. I've never found a fully linear magnetic field. I dont think this is possible. > just some pre-theoretical ramblings... > > Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 16:58:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09626; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:58:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:58:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34BEDAAB.5877@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:57:31 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <34BCA4AB.5B69@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qwwO23.0.FM2.V2hlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Steve et al! > > Steve wrote; > > you didn't tell me "WHERE the book WAS" : IT's location for fifteen > > years remained a mystery. > > I have several old books and magazines which I can pinpoint the purchase > of, date and location. So if you bought the book, you probably read it > and would have noticed if there were inside markings, especially in red > ink, possibly faded....but when this appears today, it would also have > been there in your timeline now....puzzling....so you're idea of burying > it to be located today, or like the Bill & Ted idea of arranging > convenient escapes by going back....damnably confusing.... > > The idea of burying something, possibly from our time, back then, to be > revealed today, that would do it also...seeya! Ever heard of Ooparts? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 17:05:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05923; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:05:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:05:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BED8CF.1A1E@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:49:35 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <199801131445.PAA25396@sdn5.csc.dk> <34BC1C31.2173@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CfBqI3.0.RS1.I9hlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Anders et al! > > Yes, I realize that the mental aspect of time travelling is more > appropriately parapsychology and I am of the opinion that detailed > information can, under the right circumstances be achieved. > > My problem with the claims of 'time travellers' is they cannot or will > not prove it, but rather want to draw an audience for some hidden > purpose. > > The analogy to other alt tech claims is striking....where we simply ask > for the one watt challenge for an overunity machine, or that an object > lose weight under controlled conditions, so too do time travel claimants > have a means of easily proving their claim.....by bringing back > information or an object from the future.....the past is way open to > condition because it's already happened, but the future is as far as my > understanding not something that just anyone can reliably access.. Ok Jerry, Lets say I travel into the future, and grab some small device that operates on principles hitherto unknown to Mankind. If I brought this device back, took it apart right in front of one of your round table meetings (assuming the whole of Keelynet didn't lynch me first) and showed you that this device did indeed operate on some alien (to this time) technolgy, I would have just changed the shape of the future that device came from. If I had a vested interest in that future, I would have just cut myself off from that future forever by changing the past that brought that future into being. Is this wise? If the future would be replaced by another future by the act of my bringing this 'alien' technological information to the past, how could I actually hold this device in my hand to show you in the first place? So is it really as easy to proove time travel as you claim? > Physical time travel, as this one TVC group CLAIMS, is wide open to all > sorts of proofs....the paradox is that the proof cannot be public prior > to the time of the event....this would probably cause undue attention to > be focused on the event and place, causing it take skew to another > probabilistic timeline. Thus, the info has to be somehow hidden or > delayed by using the post office or a safe to hide the info or artifact. TVC? Who is this? > As to free energy, negentropy is a form of time travel, order out of > chaos.....since everything devolves to chaos eventually, then if you > could do one of those 180 degree + phase shifts, you could reverse the > action...such as restore a battery...seeya! If everything devolves to entropy, how do you explain biology? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 17:16:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08266; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:16:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:16:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BED478.955@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:32:14 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: scalar detectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BMokm1.0.z02.IJhlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > :As far as directionality goes, we can give this detector a prefered axis > :of detection by placing a static magnetic field inside the Faraday > :cage. I suppose that if you were to use Hemholtz coils and quatrature > :phased drive signals, you could produce a rotating magnetic field inside > :the Faraday cage and produce some form of 'scanning' detector to give > :bearing information, but I've not tried exactly this approach myself. > > !!! Off-topic warning!!! > > Does anyone on the list remember reading a Sci-Fi- story "The Listeners" by > James E. Gunn? The plot revolves around aliens (remember the cold war 60's?) > taking over Earth by spreading the design for a "mind control" device > disguised as a "white sound" stress-relief generator- a magnet, a coil, and a > small batery-powered amp, all in a metal box, connected to an earphone. An > "entraining" subliminal signal was produced in the earphone... the signal > itself was "undetectable" by conventional means...only a faint "rushing" sound > in the phone (see below) > > Sound familiar? Uh-oh, you've been peeking! Oh well, time for plan 9 I guess. Maybe I'll relax by watching 'They Live' again. > Ahem...back to the topic... > > Anyway, using a shaped "background" field to bias the directional aspect > sounds good...what concerns me here is the shape of the bias field itself; I > am certain the pattern of the "translator" coil itself will be directional as > will that of the detector coil...what about a toroid coil setup (bifilar > "primary", monofilar "secondary")? If the interaction volume is contained, > rather than spreading out as a solenoidal field will, less trouble, no? A > Helmholtz coil setup produces a nice, constant flux (radius of constant-field > volume = 1/3 coil radius), and should work better, but the fringe-field > effects might cancel any benefit... An interesting thought, the frigne field would need to be contained by shielding inside the Faraday cage I expect. > :(The most sensitive axis of detection as a function of the magnetic > :field geometery is shown by the Barkhausen Effect Detector design, the > :cone shaped field could be thought as presenting a larger target for an > :incomming wave, > > Kinda what I had in mind; the _field_ is the antenna, the coils merely the > mixer... Exactly right! > :These 'Field Interference' detectors are quite simple and reliable, but > :they produce and emit a scalar signature as part of their basic > :operation. This is a significant 'flaw' for many applications. I call > :these 'active' detectors, as their use may effect the very scalar > :phenomena your trying to measure. > > Ralph Muha added: > > :So what kind of RF frequencies are we talking about? And what exactly > :is the interference mechanism? Is it additive or multiplicative? Can > :we construct a scalar superhet? > > You know, Bob, your description reminded me of _something_, and now I know > what. You're describing the scalar analog of a regenerative detector; one that > relies on an internal signal near the one being detected, for operation. A > "superregen" (a regen with an amplifier in the loop) was called a "rushbox" > many years ago, before becoming illegal, because of the interference (sounded > like rushing water) they produced in the output, as well as other, nearby > radios. Yes, their limitations are very simiar to regen or super-regen radio receivers. But we also have regenerative scalar detector designs, so dont confuse these too much, the operating process is true superhetrodyne conversion. > Ralph's comments are useful only if adding/multiplying freq. works with > scalar/EM interference (I suspect it does, just not the way we're used to). > It's probably a multiplicative operation, due to two types of field > interacting. Rather, the underlying scalar part of the RF interferes with the > incoming scalar "wave". So, it sounds reasonable to expect differences in > reception with different RF bias. How the bias RF freq would affect detected > signal strength is beyond me; it sounds like a constantly-varying antenna. Not > good with EM, but who knows? When we go from EM to scalar, we double the frequency as we have two points of maximum potential per EM cycle. DEtect the scalar product with a linear detector, and we find it at twice the frequency of the original EM input. This suggests that the frequency doubling in part of the EM to scalar conversion rather than a function of the scalar to EM detection process. It also makes good sense once you look at the two points of maximum opposed potential per EM cycle of the input wave. > A "pure" scalar generated internal to the detector would give true > heterodyne operation; no EM/scalar interaction to confuse things...(I > think...) ?? We do use a "pure" scalar internal to the detector. But if this scalar is ut of phase with an incident scalar wave, we produce an EM product that is detected by the coil. It's a scalar to scalar interaction yeilding an EM product. > Also, do the strength of the EM /RF fields affect the freq (whatever) of the > scalar being detected (like varying the element lengths in ordinary radio > work)? If so, a varying-with-distance field will be very nonlinear and non- > selective...more trouble than it's worth...which is a point in favor of the > Helmholtz approach...now, how to build a toroidal Helmholtz coil?... I feed in a few milliwatts, not wanting to zap my receiver with a large EMP is a large scalar event were to be detected, I only want to translate a small fraction of it back into EM for detection. > OTOH, you said: > > : but its probably more correct to think of it as having > :greater scalar coupling in the most divergent area of the field, the > :funnel of the cone!) > > So perhaps a nonlinear field is essential? Have you tried linear (Helmholtz > or toroid)? The divergent part of the field seems to be responsible for the apparent directionality of the detector, not the unifom field area. I would allow the divergent field external to the Hemholtz coils to be my rotating fiend funnels, as it were. I've never found a fully linear magnetic field. I dont think this is possible. > just some pre-theoretical ramblings... > > Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 17:31:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20083; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:31:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: <34BED5DB.62A0@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:36:59 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <34BBFFDC.4D5A@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4AHYO2.0.hv4.bXhlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Steve et al! > > In response to how to test the claims of a Time Traveller, Steve Ekwall > wrote; > > Who won the 1998 Super-Bowl (Greenbay 13-14 points (per vagas) over > > Denver) .. should be easy enough? > > Yes, and put some bucks on it....I think the 'prediction' based on a > future travel claim would have to be distributed to many well in advance > of the event occurring....that is why the postal service would have the > inforamation 'in transit' before, during and after the event happened, so > there would be no chance of tampering. But bringing the results back from the future IS tampering with the time line! Heck, its simpler than that, just leaving your current time line to reach a possible future means that your personal time line has diverged, putting you into the 'future'. If you then leave the 'future' and try to return to the past, you may well arrive in a past, but it cannot be the same exact past you originally left, you carry new information from your trip and this may effect the evolution of the time line you skipped over on your way to the future. It seems that there is not a single future, but several. Each and every time you time travel, you alter time itself. If you did not alter time, you did not travel through time. > One fellow said he had gone backward to RELIVE 6 hours of his life, much > like the movie 'Groundhog Day'.... > > There was a report about an electric minibike tested in Germany that ran > about 30 kilometers, recharging the battery all the way. I can't > remember the details but Tom Bearden said there was some kind of temporal > effect so that as the energy extracted from the plate/acid reaction was > reversed to recharge it in waves. I think it used a Tesla Switch > circuit. > -- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 17:38:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22709; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:38:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:38:30 -0800 Message-ID: <34BEE410.2223@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:37:51 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Kirk CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma (fwd) References: <3.0.3.32.19980115093032.0069db10@enternet.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nw7T33.0.gY5.Kehlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Kirk wrote: > > Hi Folks; > > Pretty busy but time to slip in a comment (just "had" to): Please do! I eat this stuff for breakfast! > > Bob posted: > > >-------- Forwarded message -------- > >Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:12:29 -0800 > >From: Bob Shannon > >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma > > > >MFergerson wrote: > >> > >> Steve Heckman wrote: > > > > > > > >> :One thing that I am not sure of is how "big" scalar events are, or if > >> :they are directional or even coherent. One diagram for a caudecous coil > >> :shows the "scalar" beam emitted through the coil form (both ends). So, > >> :placing two sensors a distance apart may some some events corelating, and > >> :some not. > >> > >> Finally, a concrete suggestion on demystifying the directionality > question! > > Yeah! > > >I think a quick bit of testing will show that the 'laser-like beam' > >described in > >that document does not match experimental reality. I know of no > >sucessful reproductions of this claimed effect. > > It is our experience that a classical quantum-field generator, the > self-cancelling coil, will actually "radiate" scalar information > _omnidirectionally_. I agree, this is 100% correct. > The reported 'laser beam' effect never convinced me - perhaps what is > observed here is one of those subtle energies which are emitted from some > weirdo devices, which may be serving as a carrier for scalar information. I'm aware of no less than three independant attempts to duplicate the device and claims found in the Keelynet article. The results were identical in all cases. The device does not operate as claimed. Par for the course? > >A scalar, not being a vector, cannot posess 'direction'. Scalar > >phenomena seems best understood as action at a distance rather than as > >wave-like propogation. > > I understand scalar as being pure information, without vector or power and > is therefore inherently directionless. It 'sinks into' the grass-roots of > matter and influences whereever there's a 'link'. I cannot disagree with this perspective. > i.e. photographs in the range of an operating self-cancelled coil allow > effects on the individuals in the photos - strange but true ("Principle of > non-locality"). > > In my early experiments with self-cancelling coils I concluded that using a > core material was silly; there is no magnetic field to focus and a standard > tranformer former works a treat just by itself (typically, many hundreds of > bifilar turns at about a hundred milliamps/30V supply gives useful > biological effects up to about 50 feet radius). I disagree! The core does make a difference for reasons that remain unclear. Greg Watson has posted some detailed observations on the effects of core materials in non-inductive coils. It makes one wonder, either there is something left when flux really cancels, or there is some experimental error. There may be no great weight of evidence for scalar technology, but there does appear to be more supporting evidence than evidence to the contrary. There is also clear evidence for some deliberate misinformation in this field. Which makes me think, there there is smoke, there is fire. > With these coils, *something* peters out at about 50ft but acts as a scalar > carrier - what is it? Anyway, it works. Complex scalar-EM wave pairing. Apparently the scalar technology equivilent to the classical three body problem. I'm not sure its calculable, incomputeable perhaps? Anyway, it seems to be a mess of EM waves, either the product of scalar-scalar interfernece yeiding EM products, or EM waves having non-local properties due to the EM wave riding on a scalar carrier waves. These EM waves interfer, yeiding a mixture of EM and scalar products which then couple back to the components (EM/scalar) of the original mess of waves..... This quickly resembles a cellular automata rather than a conventional field problem, but we also may have to account for EM effects propogating at C while the scalar effects may not have any propogation time at all. And that's not a classical cellular automata either. What is it? Just think how complex the spectral content of a spark gap is, and how rich in harmonics the output of a good Tesla coil can be. This is not simple at all. Tesla coils also have huge electrostatic effects, sometimes some vexingly odd electrostatic effects it seems. If you read your Bearden, you should understand that an electrostatic charge is not static at all, the electrons having huge mutual repulsion, and being far from absolute zero much less being way out of equlibrium with respect to its environment, cannot be 'at rest'. Its not static at all, its in violent motion. All the electrons in an electrostatic charge are at all times in violent motion. Its just that the electrons of an electrostatic charge just happen to have a net sum-zero motion vector, and sum zero induced effects due to this motion. Hmmmmmm. So scalars are somehow connected to electrostatc fields? Not quite so easily it seems. If we modulate an electrostatic field, don't we prouduce scalar waves? No, modulating an electrostatic field envolves a vector expression of potentials between the static charge and its modulator. Thats an EM expression, not a scalar expression. So scalars seem to be related to electrostatic fields, and experimentally seems to have strong interactions with electrostatic fields under some conditions. This is also discussed in some of Bearden's early works. Anyway, my point here is simple that the question of whether or not a Tesla coil is a 'scalar' device is not a simple question at all. The answer seems to be 'both', partly because scalar theory simply extends EM theory, it does not replace it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 18:03:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17531; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:03:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:03:22 -0800 (PST) From: PROTIEUS Message-ID: <2f1a2d8c.34bebcd9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:50:14 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fusor Video Tape Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"vNlmJ2.0.pH4.c_hlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: what is a fusor..? not to be stupid..but i never heard of that before.. Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 18:06:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18545; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) From: PROTIEUS Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:01 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"dYcFe2.0.aX4.J2ilq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: what r u going to use with it if i maf ask..?? Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 19:24:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13920; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:23:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34BEEE10.308A@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:20:16 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fusor Video Tape References: <2f1a2d8c.34bebcd9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nr6Nd.0.LP3.CBjlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Scotty et al! Scotty wrote; > what is a fusor..? not to be stupid..but i never heard of that > before..Scotty There is a short file about Philo Farnsworth and his inventions with some other links at; http://songs.com/philo/fusion seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 19:37:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17386; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:37:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:37:02 -0800 Message-ID: <34BEF148.419@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:34:00 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <34BBFFDC.4D5A@keelynet.com> <34BED5DB.62A0@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3Y8Q.0.TF4.TNjlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob! Perhaps true time travel is something that can only be experienced, kind of a subjective kind of proof, real only to the person(s) involved. I spent a free $117 (minus the $3 I spent for the 3 tickets I purchased) and it was from a dream that I directed to 'show me the numbers' purely mental (literally)....paranormal or whatever, I spent it...... Many of the arguments about what could happen, what would happen, etc....are in the Back to the Future Trilogy and the two Bill & Ted movies...it's all speculation until some kind of proof is given.....it can be argued to death..... I don't know absolutely what would constitute proof, that's why there is a request for other or better ideas for how to show proof. The point is, claims are made (never heard that one before.....) and are not proven or proveable, rather pulling our chains with the tease....get's very old, but the pattern abounds....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 20:18:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07198; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:17:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:17:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD2203.093115E0@pm3-155.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:15:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2203.093115E0" Resent-Message-ID: <"4QQ4D2.0.Km1.dzjlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2203.093115E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: PROTIEUS [SMTP:PROTIEUS@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 7:48 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liquid Nitrogen...and containers > what r u going to use with it if i maf ask..?? > Scotty [Kyle R. Mcallister] Experiments similar to the E. Podkletnov = superconduction device. Also, I was once interested in the Gravity = Resonance Coil (GRC) listed in Bill Beaty's = not-your-average-construction-project site. I noted that the mag fields = would not be very strong, and I would need large amounts of wire to = produce them. So, saving myself a little trouble: I intend to build a = GRC of smaller dimensions (to scale) and charge it with higher current = while cooling it with LN2. I may uncover some new effects. Anything I = find will be posted here.=20 Kyle R. 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Isn't this why you are concerned about the possible adverse impact of FE extraction? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 21:14:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13943; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:14:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:14:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:13:39 +1100 Message-Id: <199801160513.QAA17684@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"paMZT.0.kP3.Apklq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Anyway, it seems to be a mess of EM waves, either the product of >scalar-scalar interfernece yeiding EM products, or EM waves having >non-local properties due to the EM wave riding on a scalar carrier >waves. These EM waves interfer, yeiding a mixture of EM and scalar >products which then couple back to the components (EM/scalar) of the >original mess of waves. > So, assuming it's not EM or scalars, in their singular sense, what is the basis of the anomalous (biological) effects said to extend about fifty feet from the coil? Is it in the "turbulence" of the translation process itself? >Not quite so easily it seems. If we modulate an electrostatic field, >don't we prouduce scalar waves? No, modulating an electrostatic field >envolves a vector expression of potentials between the static charge and >its modulator. Thats an EM expression, not a scalar expression. > >Bob Shannon > OK, how about convergent ES fields?? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 15 23:57:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03644; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:57:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jiyani Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:55:23 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: To confused Time Travellers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"hZbt5.0.nu.vBnlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > I have several old books and magazines which I can pinpoint the purchase > of, date and location. So if you bought the book, you probably read it > and would have noticed if there were inside markings, especially in red > ink, possibly faded....but when this appears today, it would also have > been there in your timeline now....puzzling....so you're idea of burying > it to be located today, or like the Bill & Ted idea of arranging > convenient escapes by going back....damnably confusing.... I'm sorry you are confused Bob, The purpose of selecting a book which I had read long ago and then not looked into for years was to give anyone the time to go write something in it. By asking that they write a specefic thing into it and that the only way it could be placed there was during the past dedade or so in which I had not looked into the book, (because it was not there when last I looked at it). Also since I was creating the words to be written in the/my immediate present time, and would now immediately look into the book.... the only time that the words requested could have been written were in the/my past time and the words were created in the/my current time, therefore if they appeared it was proof that travel in time had occurred. Since the person claiming to travel in time did not do so until after leaving my prescence, and since the writing occured sometime in my past... then the appearance of the right words prooves that someone left my presence and at a then future time travelled to my past time and inscribed the message.. The more I try to clarify this the fuzzier it reads. I'm sorry Bob, don't feel too bad some people just don't have the concept for it. I myself have never been able to clearly understand 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th dimensional physics and I get a bit lost with quarks, charming or not. However if you were near Portland, OR we could probably both enjoy some good conversations over a bottomless cup of coffee at a nearby cafe. I feel that this string is getting to be too long and not currently a productive topic for the O/U group so if anyone wants to travel further with it my e-mail is: jiyani@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 00:43:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08488; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:43:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:43:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BF38F5.2E07@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:39:49 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jiyani@aol.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Reply to Time Travel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"58ouu3.0.X42.7tnlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jiyani! I liked your response to Bob Shannon, very tactful and I particularly liked two other options you offered; 1) the invitation to discuss it over coffee 2) the realization that the topic was not 'really' o/u related and further posts should be carried on privately Superb, absolutely superb.... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 06:00:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13491; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:00:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:00:36 -0800 Message-ID: <34BF9216.3D4C@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:00:06 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <199801160513.QAA17680@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mfWef2.0.hI3.3Wslq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >If everything devolves to entropy, how do you explain biology? > > > >Bob Shannon > > > > Tapping of ZPE through the objective reduction inherent in consciousness. > Isn't this why you are concerned about the possible adverse impact of FE > extraction? That's close enough for me! My point is that the old idea that all things fall towards disorder is simply incorrect. Science had identified a number of systems that evolve towards order from chaos. Self organizing systems have been found in many areas like chemistry, population statistics and biology, crystal growth and a good number of others. I beleive that Paul Davies covers this ground very well in 'The Cosmic Blueprint', but I have heard that this is one of his lesser known works. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 06:06:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06016; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:06:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:06:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BF933B.1D2A@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:04:59 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma (fwd) References: <199801160513.QAA17684@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6DlM51.0.uT1.dbslq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >Anyway, it seems to be a mess of EM waves, either the product of > >scalar-scalar interfernece yeiding EM products, or EM waves having > >non-local properties due to the EM wave riding on a scalar carrier > >waves. These EM waves interfer, yeiding a mixture of EM and scalar > >products which then couple back to the components (EM/scalar) of the > >original mess of waves. > > > > So, assuming it's not EM or scalars, in their singular sense, what is the > basis of the anomalous (biological) effects said to extend about fifty feet > from the coil? Is it in the "turbulence" of the translation process itself? I'm guessing here, so take this with a grain of salt. I suspect that the 50 foot distance if a function of the coils geometery and also of the spectral content of the primary currents from the gap. > >Not quite so easily it seems. If we modulate an electrostatic field, > >don't we prouduce scalar waves? No, modulating an electrostatic field > >envolves a vector expression of potentials between the static charge and > >its modulator. Thats an EM expression, not a scalar expression. > > > >Bob Shannon > > > > OK, how about convergent ES fields?? If you suppress vector expression, there would be a scalar component produced during the time that the opposed electrostatic potentials are changing. So the net-sum-zero motion vectors of the electrostatic field may fall into a sort of grey area between EM and scalar forms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 06:12:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07144; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:11:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BF947F.177F@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:10:23 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: To confused Time Travellers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S8Hjx3.0.Tl1.hgslq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jiyani wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: (Actually, these words were written by Jerry, confusion is contagious!) > > I have several old books and magazines which I can pinpoint the purchase > > of, date and location. So if you bought the book, you probably read it > > and would have noticed if there were inside markings, especially in red > > ink, possibly faded....but when this appears today, it would also have > > been there in your timeline now....puzzling....so you're idea of burying > > it to be located today, or like the Bill & Ted idea of arranging > > convenient escapes by going back....damnably confusing.... > > I'm sorry you are confused Bob, The purpose of selecting a book which I had > read long ago and then not looked into for years was to give anyone the time > to go write something in it. By asking that they write a specefic thing into > it and that the only way it could be placed there was during the past dedade > or so in which I had not looked into the book, (because it was not there when > last I looked at it). Also since I was creating the words to be written in > the/my immediate present time, and would now immediately look into the > book.... the only time that the words requested could have been written were > in the/my past time and the words were created in the/my current time, > therefore if they appeared it was proof that travel in time had occurred. > Since the person claiming to travel in time did not do so until after leaving > my prescence, and since the writing occured sometime in my past... > then the appearance of the right words prooves that someone left my presence > and at a then future time travelled to my past time and inscribed the > message.. An interesting test, but this does not address the idea that once you have left a given time line, you cannot return to exactly that same time line, as the very act of leaving it changes that time line. If you did not change the line, you did not move to another time. > The more I try to clarify this the fuzzier it reads. I'm sorry Bob, don't feel > too bad some people just don't have the concept for it. I myself have never > been able to clearly understand 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th dimensional > physics and I get a bit lost with quarks, charming or not. However if you were > near Portland, OR we could probably both enjoy some good conversations over a > bottomless cup of coffee at a nearby cafe. Sounds like fun, but again, these were Jerry's words, not mine. > I feel that this string is getting to be too long and not currently a > productive topic for the O/U group so if anyone wants to travel further with > it my e-mail is: > jiyani@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 06:43:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23469; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:43:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:43:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:42:59 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re:Challenge to Time Travellers To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199801160513.QAA17680@nornet.nor.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"e9xI43.0.bk5.08tlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Peter Nielsen wrote: > >If everything devolves to entropy, how do you explain biology? > > > >Bob Shannon > > > > Tapping of ZPE through the objective reduction inherent in consciousness. > Isn't this why you are concerned about the possible adverse impact of FE > extraction? > > Peter Nielsen > There is an excellent discussion of this subject (biology vs. entropy) in the book ORDER OUT OF CHAOS by Ilya Prigogine and Isabelle Stengers. (I just reread the book recently.) I recommend it to all. There are also ideas in the book that apply to the free energy concept. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 08:45:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22209; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:45:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:45:06 -0800 Message-ID: <34BF945B.71C9@aeneas.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:09:47 -0600 From: Mark Mansfield Reply-To: mmans@aeneas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Reply to Time Travel References: <34BF38F5.2E07@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jc6ou1.0.qQ5.Gwulq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob, look at the email from Jerry Decker. Tell me what his opinion has to do with freenrg list? He's his biggest hipacrit. I give up. Mark PS: You ever noticed how some people can talk all day long and when the days done, havent said anything that makes one bit difference to anything. Opinions are that way....I remember a fitting saying: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and most of them stink. Jerry wrote: > > Hi Jiyani! > > I liked your response to Bob Shannon, very tactful and I particularly > liked two other options you offered; > > 1) the invitation to discuss it over coffee > 2) the realization that the topic was not 'really' o/u related and > further posts should be carried on privately > > Superb, absolutely superb.... > -- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 09:05:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26967; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:05:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:05:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34BF9EE9.2923@aeneas.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:54:49 -0600 From: Mark Mansfield Reply-To: mmans@aeneas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: jdecker@keelynet.com, bshannon@tiac.net, mmans@aeneas.net Subject: Re: Reply to Time Travel References: <34BF38F5.2E07@keelynet.com> <34BF945B.71C9@aeneas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U1j6D2.0.Gb6.SDvlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: TO FREENRG GROUP: I must start with a major APOLOGY to the group. I never intend this email to go to the FREENRG group. I made a mistake in my mail program and it was replied to the group. I apologize to Jerry Decker as well, sorry Jerry. I have had disagreements with Jerry in the past but had put those behind me. I was poking fun at Bob S. and this email was not meant to be sent to anyone else, I thought (that's what happens when I try and think, when I'm not used to it). It was a mistake on my part and I do apologize openly to everyone involved. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 09:13:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA30097; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:13:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:13:50 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <40d1303.34bf9484@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:10:17 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Reply to Time Travel Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"vRzXM.0.AM7.CLvlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-16 03:44:07 EST, you write: << 2) the realization that the topic was not 'really' o/u related and further posts should be carried on privately >> It's not immediately obvious to me this is not O/U related. IF you can travel backward in time and change the present, then while back there you can expend low levels of energy (for example plant trees, change the course of a stream,etc (?)), which over the passage of time would result in large amounts of energy available in the present. Having said that, I'm not sure I believe it Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 12:07:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07751; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:06:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:06:53 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:57:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Fusor Video Message-ID: <19980116.150020.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BD2149.F5772F80@ts002d16.mer-id.concentric.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8,10-11,14-15,18-23 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"RKuyd2.0._u1.Stxlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:10:04 -0700 Paul Brown writes: > >Perrault's "Starmode" simply looks like a spark in a gap to me. The >circuit appears to be a spark-gap oscillator built by this Calvin >Bahlman at International High Technology rather than anything built by >Perrault. Am I missing something? I don't know. Perrault origionally gave the URL in an article in Extraordinary Science (now Tesla) magazine. Also had an article on "Uranium Burn". Posted the info. from the article before I got to view it myself. Looked at it, although it was not what I expected, I thought the Fusor tie-in was interesting. I believe Jack posted something on the possibility of using radio-isotopes in Moray tubes, that is what lead me down this path (reviewing some old e-mail and Perrault's article). Has anyone seen any of Perrault's recent books? Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 12:45:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15777; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:44:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:44:43 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:29:57 -0500 Subject: Scalar Signal Transmission (was: zeener diode....) Message-ID: <19980116.153746.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19980115093032.0069db10@enternet.co.nz> <34BEE410.2223@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,11-22,24-28,30-33,35,37,39-42,47-49 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"0f0cT1.0.Ls3.wQylq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:37:51 -0800 Bob Shannon writes: >> >> >> >> Steve Heckman wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> :One thing that I am not sure of is how "big" scalar events are, >or if they are directional or even coherent. One diagram for a >caudecous coil shows the "scalar" beam emitted through the coil form (both >ends). So, placing two sensors a distance apart may some some events >corelating, and some not. >> >> >> >> It is our experience that a classical quantum-field generator, the >> self-cancelling coil, will actually "radiate" scalar information >> _omnidirectionally_. > >I agree, this is 100% correct. > >> The reported 'laser beam' effect never convinced me - perhaps what >is observed here is one of those subtle energies which are emitted from >some weirdo devices, which may be serving as a carrier for scalar >information. > >I'm aware of no less than three independant attempts to duplicate the >device and claims found in the Keelynet article. The results were identical >in all cases. The device does not operate as claimed. >> In my early experiments with self-cancelling coils I concluded that >using a core material was silly; there is no magnetic field to focus and a >standard tranformer former works a treat just by itself (typically, many >hundreds of bifilar turns at about a hundred milliamps/30V supply gives useful >> biological effects up to about 50 feet radius). > This is the kind of info that I was curious about. Was wondering how far a scalar pulse could be felt, etc , if a scalar translator had a footprint (much like the radiation pattern for various RF antennas), and how amplitude of the energy used to create the scalar event affected transmission range. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 13:35:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26405; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:35:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:35:34 -0800 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Scalar References Message-ID: <19980116.163716.2303.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-7,11-12,15-16,18-19,21-22 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:34:30 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"RyK7a1.0.US6.bAzlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... Just downloaded from Keelynet Transltr.asc. Good info...Had most of it myself but now it is coherently organized! Also downloaded reply2.asc. It defines some scalar terms, and would be useful for the person who asked about what scalar waves were. I personally liked the outline of reply2 for the proposed book...I plan to use it to organize my current files and see what gaps remain. They may of not been able to publish their book (too bad for all of us), but hopefully I will be able to create my own version. If I can pull it off, it will mostly be a collection of published articles that gives the basics for each proposed chapter. To what end I don't know, except to give me a good reference of my own. Will post more on this in the near future. My first step is to sort what I currently have, the move to fill the gaps. BTW, Warren York wrote a collumn at one time on Scalars for Extraordinary Science. Anyone hear from him lately? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 13:46:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08774; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:46:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:46:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34BFE092.5D2A@aeneas.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:34:58 -0600 From: Mark Mansfield Reply-To: mmans@aeneas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar References References: <19980116.163716.2303.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8LHXb.0.x82.yKzlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve, > I personally liked the outline of reply2 for the proposed book...I plan > to use it to organize my current files and see what gaps remain. They may > of not been able to publish their book (too bad for all of us), but > hopefully I will be able to create my own version. You might ask Bob Shannon if you are serious about it. He might have some stuff to put in it. What about it Bob? > BTW, Warren York wrote a collumn at one time on Scalars for Extraordinary > Science. Anyone hear from him lately? Warren shows up here and there. Ask on the vortex-l list for Warren. I think he is subscribed to it. I have his email address around here some place if you can't find him on the listserver. Let me know if I can help out. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 13:54:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10163; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:54:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:54:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:44:06 +1100 Message-Id: <199801162244.JAA22774@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Modified coil winding for improved electromagnets Resent-Message-ID: <"Lzbc43.0.iU2.uRzlq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:52 PM 11/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hello ALL, I have added some information at my website that may be of some interest to those that make their own electromagnets by a way of a differnt winding method to improve the strength of your electromagnet In the same article there is an interesting method to make your own permanent magnets my website is at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 14:14:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04724; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:13:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:13:57 -0800 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Polarize.asc Message-ID: <19980116.171437.2303.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-9,15-19 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:12:17 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"G_Sj31.0.b91.akzlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... Downloaded today the KeelyNet file POLARIZE.ASC, by Rick Anderson (Apr 5, 1993). I thought it made several good points, was wondering if anyone else has read it? Discussed one major problem with T. Bearden's theories, concerning the polarization of EM radiation, and his apparent failure (at that time) to address the problem. Personally, I believe in both transverse and longitudional wave manifistions of EM, as Rick seems to, but I need to get copies of both Whittaker's papers as well as the quaternion rendering of Maxwells equations (I know where to find them, just havn't bothered one of my friends to download it to disk for me yet) to get a solid theoritical foundation. Any comments? Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 14:25:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07988; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:24:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:24:59 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD229B.069BF000@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Magnetically distorting Space-Time Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:23:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA07909 Resent-Message-ID: <"Oe9B62.0.Sy1.uuzlq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: I came across an article detailing some research on magnetically warping space. Its quite interesting and startling at the same time. I read Carl Sagan's book "Contact", where a signal is recieved by extraterrestrial inteligence explaining how to build a machine to create a wormhole and allow FTL travel. Well, in the book it: A. Uses spinning gyroscopic mechanisms, superconductors, and a host of other things INCLUDING a 200T magnetic field. B. Produces a small 'dimple' in space that is then punched throug h by a stronger mechnism (which they didn't tell us how to build). In the real life experiment, the setup: A. Uses magnetic fields to warp space, B. Produces only a small 'dimple' in space using only a 2.5T magnetic field. Compare the fiction and fact: I s this all some big coincidence, or did Carl know more than we ever dreamed...? Or it could be just a VERY big coincidence. Comments? Questions? Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 15:09:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21103; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:09:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:09:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34BFF431.1566@aeneas.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:58:41 -0600 From: Mark Mansfield Reply-To: mmans@aeneas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steve-nyeoka@juno.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar References References: <19980116.163716.2303.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <34BFE092.5D2A@aeneas.net> <19980116.172353.2303.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ER_rj2.0.X95.cY-lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > I have e-mailed Bob privately, and do plan to tap him for info. He > mentioned that he had a draft copy of the manuscript I mentioned. But > since it was a joint effort, and the effort to publish it "fell apart", I > respect his reluctance to disclose the entire document. > > Hard to tell what role he played in the TVQ group, but my quess it would > be on scalar detectors based on what he has posted on! I'm somewhat involved in that. Bob is excellent on detectors as well as many other areas. I'm sure he can give you what you are after. > I'm not on Vortex, the only reason is that I can barely keep up with this > list! If you do get his e-mail, I would appreciate it! Try this out Steve: infonet@whc.net I think that's Warren's email address. If that's not it, get back to me and I'll search further. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 15:15:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22412; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:15:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:15:23 -0800 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Scalar Interferometry Message-ID: <19980116.181347.2303.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,7-8,12-13,21-27 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:11:05 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"WVbrj1.0.1U5.9e-lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Scanning through my copy of Star Wars Now! (T. Bearden). I obviously need to reread it carefully...but I am curious if anyone has actually created interference effects beyond those done in B. Shannons "superhet" detector recently discussed. I have always been intrigued by the concept of scalar interferometry, where two scalar transmitters create a "vector" energy zone where they intersect. Anyone here investigated this area? If anyone has build JL. Naudin's scalar transmitter, it may be possible to create a interferometer by building two translators (L1) in his diagram. One translator would be mounted remote from his design, but connected parallel to L1. What started this line of reasoning was I thought that in some cases scalar potentionals were riding conventional transverse EM...now I think I may of misintreperted Bearden's diagram were Radar Sites were modified as scalar transmitters. Now it appears to me that a split waveguide was used to spilt the microwave radiation into two beams, which were then remixed 180 degrees out of phase, in a way a scalar beam would be created. This may be superior to the simple coil translators we have been discussing, which apparently create only local events. What do you all think? Enough thinking for one day...my brain is starting to hurt. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 15:49:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28141; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:48:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:48:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:42:06 +1100 Message-Id: <199801162342.KAA21925@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"tyjpu.0.Ut6.E7_lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> OK, how about convergent ES fields?? > >If you suppress vector expression, there would be a scalar component >produced during the time that the opposed electrostatic potentials are >changing. > Which brings up another point. Does a scalar field have to have frequency? For example, what about the case of a positively charged plate between two negatively charged ones? Or, the neutral center of a charged sphere. This is the electrostatic side of the question about opposing permanent magnets a la Bedini, Watson, etc. >I suspect that the 50 foot distance is a function of the coil's geometery >and also of the spectral content of the primary currents from the gap. > >(snip) > >So the net-sum-zero motion vectors of the electrostatic field may fall >into a sort of grey area between EM and scalar forms. > >Bob Shannon > During past discussions on bifilar coil emissions, it was claimed by some that you can only have either discrete EM or scalar products. I always maintained there was an intermediary anomalous field with a geometry determined by the coil's configuration, and that this needed to be taken into account as part of any O/U system. A sort of energetic lens, if you will. I never thought to simply call it a "grey area" and thus legitimize the concept :-) Does this now deserve a closer look, particularly with reference to spatial coupling of the exciter and collector in solid state circuits? Remember Coler moving his coils around? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 17:33:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25260; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:33:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:33:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34C03472.6675@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:32:50 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma (fwd) References: <199801162342.KAA21925@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yEFL93.0.WA6.Yf0mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >> OK, how about convergent ES fields?? > > > >If you suppress vector expression, there would be a scalar component > >produced during the time that the opposed electrostatic potentials are > >changing. > > > > Which brings up another point. Does a scalar field have to have frequency? > For example, what about the case of a positively charged plate between two > negatively charged ones? Or, the neutral center of a charged sphere. This is > the electrostatic side of the question about opposing permanent magnets a la > Bedini, Watson, etc. Another less-than-simple question! Let me aviod this with another, related question. Does a static field have frequency? The electrons really are not static at all, but are all in violent motion with no net vector. I'm sure that there must be a distribution of electron velocities, so I might tend to think that a static field really does have frequency, or spectra much like white noise. I think that there would also be a scalar equivilent as well. This is sort of odd, as we are lead to think that a static field is like DC, zero frequency, but it seems that this is not the case at all. > >I suspect that the 50 foot distance is a function of the coil's geometery > >and also of the spectral content of the primary currents from the gap. > > > >(snip) > > > >So the net-sum-zero motion vectors of the electrostatic field may fall > >into a sort of grey area between EM and scalar forms. > > > >Bob Shannon > > > > During past discussions on bifilar coil emissions, it was claimed by some > that you can only have either discrete EM or scalar products. I always > maintained there was an intermediary anomalous field with a geometry > determined by the coil's configuration, and that this needed to be taken > into account as part of any O/U system. A sort of energetic lens, if you > will. I never thought to simply call it a "grey area" and thus legitimize > the concept :-) The electrostatic field may be a grey area, but unless you suppress every possible bit of EM expression of opposed potentials, you get EM, not scalar. No grey area here as I see it. Once you have scalar products, it does appear that this scalar product may ride on EM carrier waves, and also that vector EM waves may ride on scalar carriers, even though good shielding. This is quite different than the idea that electrostatic fields may fall somewhere between scalar and EM expressions. > Does this now deserve a closer look, particularly with reference to spatial > coupling of the exciter and collector in solid state circuits? Remember > Coler moving his coils around? > > Peter Nielsen I'm not familiar with this aspect of Coler's work. Did the device only operate once he had swapped apparently identical components around after he excited the device? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 17:52:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12641; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:52:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:50:19 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: zener diode oscillation and microplasma (fwd) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"zIhwS2.0.N53.Yx0mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: :Does a static field have frequency? The electrons really are not static :at all, but are all in violent motion with no net vector. I'm sure that :there must be a distribution of electron velocities, so I might tend to :think that a static field really does have frequency, or spectra much :like white noise. : :I think that there would also be a scalar equivilent as well. This reminds me of the difficulty Tesla had with a contemporary (can't remember who, book lent out) over the use of "electrostatic" vs. "electromagnetic" to describe how an external changing HV field affected the gas in a glass tube. Tesla argued for "static" effects as being primary as no "magnetic" characteristics were seen (e.g., wind a coil around the tube, fed with HV AC, glow in tube doesn't look like magnetic induction at work). He was talking about variations in the electrostatic part of the field, not the whole EM field. He also expected the terminology to be cleared up sometime in his future (this was 1920's)! No such luck, yet. :> Does this now deserve a closer look, particularly with reference to spatial :> coupling of the exciter and collector in solid state circuits? Remember :> Coler moving his coils around? :> :> Peter Nielsen : :I'm not familiar with this aspect of Coler's work. Did the device only :operate once he had swapped apparently identical components around after :he excited the device? The magnets in question were fixed in a hexagonal configuration, but movable in the radial direction (somebody tell him where to find the diagrams, please! My new computer and AOL files lost my Fave Places!). Adjusting the inter- magnet distance apparently "tuned" some characteristic such that the thing "self-resonated". Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 18:30:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05149; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:30:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:30:18 -0800 Message-ID: <34C03996.23A4@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:54:46 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Interferometry References: <19980116.181347.2303.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3Q5oe2.0.LG1.uU1mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > > Scanning through my copy of Star Wars Now! (T. Bearden). I obviously need > to reread it carefully...but I am curious if anyone has actually created > interference effects beyond those done in B. Shannons "superhet" detector > recently discussed. > > I have always been intrigued by the concept of scalar interferometry, > where two scalar transmitters create a "vector" energy zone where they > intersect. Anyone here investigated this area? Yes, do you have specific questions in this area? > If anyone has build JL. Naudin's scalar transmitter, it may be possible > to create a interferometer by building two translators (L1) in his > diagram. One translator would be mounted remote from his design, but > connected parallel to L1. > > What started this line of reasoning was I thought that in some cases > scalar potentionals were riding conventional transverse EM...now I think > I may of misintreperted Bearden's diagram were Radar Sites were modified > as scalar transmitters. Now it appears to me that a split waveguide was > used to spilt the microwave radiation into two beams, which were then > remixed 180 degrees out of phase, in a way a scalar beam would be > created. This may be superior to the simple coil translators we have been > discussing, which apparently create only local events. > What do you all think? >From what I understand, it may look something like this: We can have pure scalar products with non-local effects. Scalar products may be impressed onto EM carrier waves, and then propogate at C. EM waves may be impressed onto scalar carriers, and propogate faster than C. It seems that the speed of propogation in this case is a function of the degree of coupling between EM wave and carrier wave, and so is variable. Something in fact seems to propogate at far less than C, and in fact forms stationary soliton-like waves, nearly always associated with local EM field nulls and electrostatic anomalies. Whatever this thing is, it does seem to be associated with the vector superposition of EM standing waves, and is also identical to the 'energies' found in some ancient sites. (ley lines, etc.) It seems that there is a lot more than just conventional EM out there. Scalar interferometers as Bearden describes, where two laser-like beams intersect to control the site of interference seem to imply the use of coherent EM carrier beams (pure scalars not being 'directionally constrained'?) but Bearden also describes sending pulses at differing speeds of propogation so that the faster pulse overruns the slower pulse. Of course, if scalars are not 'directionally constrained' then interferomtery may also take another form, where we capture a 'witness' signal from our target, and use this to direct our pure scalar non-local effects to their intended location. I suppose this is the mode you need to use to shoot down UFO's and such. (Yes, I'm kidding, really I am.) > Enough thinking for one day...my brain is starting to hurt. Try laughing a bit more! > Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 19:40:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19216; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:40:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:40:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19860117223444.006a9eb0@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1986 22:35:35 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Reply to Time Travel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5MUG32.0.5i4.HW2mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: As I understand the last test for time traveller would have to break into your house at some time in the past to write the message. Not a real good idea. Here is a better idea, go into the future,get me next weeks lottery numbers Email them to me tommorrow.I will share the winnings with this group. Trust me ;) Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 16 20:32:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29426; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:31:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:31:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:47:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"bhkwa.0.gB7.vG3mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Lets say I travel into the future, and grab some small device that > operates on principles hitherto unknown to Mankind. Ok so far... > If I brought this device back, took it apart right in front of one of > your round table meetings (assuming the whole of Keelynet didn't lynch > me first) and showed you that this device did indeed operate on some > alien (to this time) technolgy, I would have just changed the shape of > the future that device came from. The BIG question is...DID YOU? How can you be *sure* that you did or did not? How can you be sure that you went to a possible future that came about because of your time travel tampering? You can't. > If I had a vested interest in that future, I would have just cut myself > off from that future forever by changing the past that brought that > future into being. Not actually. If for this instance, we use my postulate- that by the very act of time travel, you alter the past, present, and future, and we accept the postulate that you did, in fact, go into the future to collect some neato gizmo from it's portion of the timeline, then it goes without saying that by the very act that you are describing, you would be UNABLE to access the timeline in the first place. If you changed it in the manner that you're describing, then you're visiting things as they should be anyhow. To quote a line from one of my favorite SF movies... "You know if we give him the formula, we'll be changing history..." "Why? How do we know he dinna invent the thing?" > Is this wise? Depends. If your postulate, in it's entirity, is true, it may not be- it would depend on what you brought "back" as to what would happen. You'd have to be *careful* as to what you did. If you accept my modification to the same, you'd still have to be careful, but things would be allright and it wouldn't have as much impact as you're attributing to it. > If the future would be replaced by another future by the act of my > bringing this 'alien' technological information to the past, how could I > actually hold this device in my hand to show you in the first place? You'd not even GET the chance to travel to that future, my friend if things are as you describe them. I don't think it's quite that way. > So is it really as easy to proove time travel as you claim? I wouldn't know if it is or isn't. But with thought experiments, you're not going to make a clean-cut determination like you've done, because the things can change on you. > TVC? Who is this? Time Vector Chronicles. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 00:39:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24818; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:39:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:39:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:38:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801170838.AAA28871@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Modified coil winding for improved electromagnets Resent-Message-ID: <"C3FVu2.0.f36.Cv6mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Geoff and all, At 09:44 AM 1/17/98 +1100, you wrote: >I have added some information at my website that may be of some interest >to those that make their own electromagnets by a way of a differnt winding >method >to improve the strength of your electromagnet > >In the same article there is an interesting method to make your own >permanent magnets >my website is at > >http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > >Geoff > Any theories why? Do you know how the increased magnetic strength was measured? Just feeling the pull is very subjective, and it is very dependent on distance. Has anyone tried the transformer windings? I will soon. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 01:23:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07792; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:22:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:22:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34C093D4.1F35@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:19:48 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Icestorms & Power Loss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4SG0h3.0.fv1.nX7mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Geez, the news about the massive icestorms in Canada and the upper US is just amazing....days without ANY electrical power. A definite hardship for so many who rely on it for heating as well as lighting and appliances. It is so important that we collectively pool our knowledge, abilities and resources to make something happen with regard to a standalone, self-running power supply, whether of the individual 'permanent battery' appliance size or one just big enough to run a single home. The goal being onsite power generation that is not fed from a centralized grid. (individual units or entire house) My preference is for the individual units but either would work and change the world as we know it. Think hybrids as a starter. Using a dual battery network, with one network that is charging while the other is in use, switch them when the available power level drops. Trickle currents from the O/U generator to recharge the depleted battery network. Such a hybrid is only necessary until the trick of producing 'power on demand' is figured out. What holds promise? Testatika, also known as the Swiss ML Converter William Hyde Electrostatic generator Wingate Lambertsen Win Cells (Casimir) Minato self-running overunity magnetic wheel Various other devices but of all mentioned, to the best of my knowledge, only the Testatika has been seen and tested by many people and is running today to feed the Meternitha community in Switzerland. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 01:32:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08621; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:32:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:32:06 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801162244.JAA22774@main.murray.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:31:46 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Modified coil winding for improved electromagnets Resent-Message-ID: <"ZDISy.0.X62.Lg7mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 5:44 PM -0500 1/16/98, Geoff Egel wrote: >I have added some information at my website that may be of some interest >to those that make their own electromagnets by a way of a differnt winding >method to improve the strength of your electromagnet a while back, Jack DeMule made the following suggestion on how to decrease the self-capacitance of a coil: >If you must layer wind, don't back wind...return the end of a layer >to the beginning side of the layer just completed, before beginning >to wind the subsequent layer. This doesn't make for efficient winding >window utilization though. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 02:56:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13740; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:56:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:56:50 -0800 Message-ID: <34C08E1E.465B@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:55:26 +0100 From: Roger Natanaelsson Organization: Gravity Rules ! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <34C093D4.1F35@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IMnMQ3.0.bM3.ov8mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > Such a hybrid is only necessary until the trick of producing 'power > on demand' is figured out. > > What holds promise? Testatika, also known as the Swiss ML Converter > William Hyde Electrostatic generator > Wingate Lambertsen Win Cells (Casimir) > Minato self-running overunity magnetic wheel > Jerry and all, My I add: Solar Cell Wind Generator Clean and free power, but depending on Weather.A combination of both and connected to batteries, is free-power-on-demand. Any promising battery ? Until we can tap the Source... regards Roger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 05:27:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25551; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:27:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:27:18 -0800 From: Ro Conroy Message-ID: <40e20c8d.34c0b197@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:26:45 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Fundamental Forces Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"rBkg-.0.8F6.q6Bmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: all, Since vast amounts of energy are stored in Nature, would it not be helpful to better understand the fundamental characteristics those forces in order to harvest them for practical use? Why do the short term recorded bubble patterns, caused by particles of smashed atoms, form the same Tau spiral that the solar systems keep and apparently have kept since near the beginning of time? And why would IBM, who already has a world recognized logo, use a that same pattern as a logo when producing science related programs for PBS? Do they know something that is not being revealed? Also I would be interested to know if the spiral bubble patterns, recorded by physicist with their atom smashing apparatus, are clockwise or counterclockwise from the original atom's point of view. I would also like to know, if possible, whether each solar system's spiral is clockwise or counterclockwise from the center of the expanding universe point of view. And if they are both clockwise and counterclockwise, what are their relative positioning with respect to the original atom or in the case of the solar system, the center of that expanding system? And last of all, why do they form a Tau spiral? Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 08:36:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11729; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:36:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:36:43 -0800 Message-ID: <34C0DE58.2B3DB643@midusa.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:37:44 -0600 From: Jon Flickinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: off subject:Translator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tC4ri2.0.At2.PuDmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, For those who are not multi-lingual like myself, check out the translator on AltaVista's search engine- http://www.altavista.com/ It will translate English to/from French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish. I've only tried the German up to this point but IMO it works quite well! jf From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 08:43:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21501; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:43:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980117122308.00a5ade8@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:23:13 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Modified coil winding for improved electromagnets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GI4Pi2.0.oF5.i-Dmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:38 AM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Any theories why? >Do you know how the increased magnetic strength was measured? Just feeling >the pull is very subjective, and it is very dependent on distance. Has >anyone tried the transformer windings? I will soon. >-Dave Winding in such a manner was first suggested by N. Tesla, in his patent for electromagnets (don't have # off hand), the notion being to evenly distribute the potential variation from turn to turn. This may seem irrelevant for a magnetic circuit, but the practical considerations of driving large currents thru a coil makes this idea quite appealing. I used this type of winding for coils taking large pulsed currents, which would usually arc over when using the standard winding. As regards increased strength; perhaps this refers to the fact that a lower impedence self-resonance can be achieved with this design? This only in AC circuits however. I suppose if you are going to make the transformer self resonant... KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 09:37:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21990; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:37:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:37:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34C11672.5FE2@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:37:06 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KkpMr1.0.VN5.anEmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank C. Earl wrote: > > > Lets say I travel into the future, and grab some small device that > > operates on principles hitherto unknown to Mankind. > > Ok so far... > > > If I brought this device back, took it apart right in front of one of > > your round table meetings (assuming the whole of Keelynet didn't lynch > > me first) and showed you that this device did indeed operate on some > > alien (to this time) technolgy, I would have just changed the shape of > > the future that device came from. > > The BIG question is...DID YOU? How can you be *sure* that you did or > did not? How can you be sure that you went to a possible future that came > about because of your time travel tampering? You can't. I agree that we cannot be SURE, but if the device operates on some unknown technology we can be fairly sure that we have altered things. New tchnologies evolve from older, better understood technologies. If I brought back a device that was simply an improvement on some currently understood device, it would not be the level of proof Jerry had asked for. As a general rule, we do not see new technologies spring forth as working devices with no technological evolutionary history. Even if the possible future I visited came to be as a result of my 'tampering', have I not restricted the role of the free will of the Earth's population in selecting the form of the future? Have I the right to try this? I think not. > > If I had a vested interest in that future, I would have just cut myself > > off from that future forever by changing the past that brought that > > future into being. > > Not actually. If for this instance, we use my postulate- that by the > very act of time travel, you alter the past, present, and future, and > we accept the postulate that you did, in fact, go into the future to > collect some neato gizmo from it's portion of the timeline, then it > goes without saying that by the very act that you are describing, you > would be UNABLE to access the timeline in the first place. If you > changed it in the manner that you're describing, then you're visiting > things as they should be anyhow. To quote a line from one of my > favorite SF movies... "You know if we give him the formula, we'll be > changing history..." "Why? How do we know he dinna invent the > thing?" I cannot agree here. What would prvent my traveling to that possible future? How can you say that the future I visited is 'as it should be'? If the device I brought back was based on a totally unknown technology, we can be pretty sure that it would not be invented here and now, as inventions are the product of an evolution of ideas. No invention using a new technology has ever popped into existance as a finished product. He would not have invented the thing, he would have reverse engineered it, there is a big difference. > > Is this wise? > > Depends. If your postulate, in it's entirity, is true, it may not > be- it would depend on what you brought "back" as to what would > happen. You'd have to be *careful* as to what you did. If you > accept my modification to the same, you'd still have to be careful, > but things would be allright and it wouldn't have as much impact as > you're attributing to it. I agree that great care would be wise, to the point that no such ego gratifying demonstration should ever be attempted. The future is to be shaped by the free will of the population, not directed by the non-linear time jumping of an individual or group. > > If the future would be replaced by another future by the act of my > > bringing this 'alien' technological information to the past, how could I > > actually hold this device in my hand to show you in the first place? > > You'd not even GET the chance to travel to that future, my friend if > things are as you describe them. I don't think it's quite that way. I have sat and thought about this for some time, and I must confess I am totally missing exactly what would prevent me from getting to that possible future. If I sever my connection to the past, and arrive in a possible future, so be it. Assuming I can navigate through time, exactly what prevents me from traveling backward to a time shortly after I left? > > So is it really as easy to proove time travel as you claim? > > I wouldn't know if it is or isn't. But with thought experiments, > you're not going to make a clean-cut determination like you've done, > because the things can change on you. It was not my intention to set out 'clean-cut determinations', only to suggest that the reality of time travel might not be as clean cut as Jerry Decker suggested in his challange. Apparently I suceeded even though it appears I was doing something else! > > TVC? Who is this? > > Time Vector Chronicles. Never heard of them. Exactly what are their claims? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 10:49:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA31756; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:49:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:49:00 -0800 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Message-ID: <19980117.135127.9927.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <34C093D4.1F35@keelynet.com> <34C08E1E.465B@swipnet.se> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11,16 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:48:45 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"mtNz6.0.5m7.RqFmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:55:26 +0100 Roger Natanaelsson >Jerry and all, >My I add: Solar Cell > Wind Generator Until we can tap the Source... > >regards >Roger > Yes, free energy is here...however, back in 1990 a 51watt solor panel sold for $300. Could run lights and entertainment electronics, but would need to spend also more just to run a 'fridge. Cooking is not so bad, draws also of power but for a short time. It's the heating that takes so much power. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 11:57:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07790; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:57:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:57:07 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40e20c8d.34c0b197@aol.com> References: Conversation <40e20c8d.34c0b197@aol.com> with last message <40e20c8d.34c0b197@aol.com> Priority: Non-Urgent X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Priority: 5 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Fureman" Subject: Re: Fundamental Forces Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 14:54:29 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rQbQP2.0.dv1.HqGmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > > all, > > Since vast amounts of energy are stored in Nature, would it not be > helpful to > better understand the fundamental characteristics those forces in order to > harvest them for practical use? > Why do the short term recorded bubble patterns, caused by particles of > smashed atoms, form the same Tau spiral that the solar systems keep and > apparently have kept since near the beginning of time? And why would IBM, who > already has a world recognized logo, use a that same pattern as a logo when > producing science related programs for PBS? Do they know something that is > not being revealed? No conspiracy at IBM, just a cool logo design! > Also I would be interested to know if the spiral bubble > patterns, recorded by physicist with their atom smashing apparatus, are > clockwise or counterclockwise from the original atom's point of view. I would > also like to know, if possible, whether each solar system's spiral is > clockwise or counterclockwise from the center of the expanding universe point > of view. And if they are both clockwise and counterclockwise, what are their > relative positioning with respect to the original atom or in the case of the > solar system, the center of that expanding system? All systems down to the atomic level are collapsing, not expanding. Gavitational forces combined with inertia cause the spirals. I believe there to be a singularity at the center of each spiral galaxy causing the inward spiral. > And last of all, why do > they form a Tau spiral? > Bob > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy > > Scott From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 12:00:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11293; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:59:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:59:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801171959.RAA14429@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: not so good indeed ! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:59:46 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34C093D4.1F35@keelynet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZDVCz2.0.Im2.rsGmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > Various other devices but of all mentioned, to the best of my knowledge, > only the Testatika has been seen and tested by many people and is running > today to feed the Meternitha community in Switzerland. > -- Why on earth they don't give the details of their device ? There are so many places in the world where electric energy is very missing ! Meternitha community isn't a religious group ? They don't believe in charity ? Marcelo > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 12:54:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14473; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:54:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:54:41 -0800 From: Ro Conroy Message-ID: <2441e28a.34c119da@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:51:36 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fundamental Forces Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"xhieh2.0.2Y3.GgHmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-17 14:58:38 EST, Scott, you write: << All systems down to the atomic level are collapsing, not expanding. Gavitational forces combined with inertia cause the spirals. I believe there to be a singularity at the center of each spiral galaxy causing the inward spiral. >> This would mean that the atomic fragments are being captured by other entities dispersed uniformly in the recording medium. That would mean that theoretically the spirals would be 50% clockwise and 50% counterclockwise without respect to their position relative to the original atom. My question is, is that in fact the case? With respect to the solar system, are black holes always located at the very center of the systems, and if they are, is there some symetry involved as to whether the spiral is clockwise or counterclockwise? In effect, is there a northern and southern hemisphere earth type situation occuring, or does the evidence point elsewhere? Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 14:05:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20910; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:05:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:05:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C14645.7994@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:01:09 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Icestorms & Loss of power Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3zwSd1.0.c65.YiImq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Marcelo et al! You wrote; > Why on earth they don't give the details of their device ? > ...(snip)...Meternitha community isn't a religious group ? > They don't believe in charity ? Well, from all I've seen they ARE a religious community, but feel that the secret was revealed to them because they practice it, not preach it. My understanding is they feel the world is not yet ready for the technology. A strange and megalomaniacal approach to my way of thinking, to judge the entire world in one lump pronouncement. Sounds like a few people and groups I've unfortunately known. I believe Stefan Hartmann might still have the Testatika pictures and some descriptions on his website...the most consistent unit was the 10KW version, though they also use a 30KW unit and were building a 50KW unit. Two counter-rotating disks, with metal segments and brushes that collect 'static' electricity...a crystal to set the frequency and capacitors to accumulate the power for use....there is of course more, but because no one has openly been able to duplicate it, no sense in rehashing old info. 10KW is quite enough to run a house....the 10KW device is about 4 feet high, the 30KW is about 6 feet and I think the 50KW is 10 feet or so....not sure, I've not been there (yet..)... It is a shame they won't give out construction plans or sell kits or working units.... The late Stefan Marinov was a member of Testatika and like all the others in the group was sworn to secrecy about the technology, Steve Richards, where are you now?? (pseudonym name for writer who secretly infiltrated many occult groups, worked high up, learned their secrets and published them).... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 15:49:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01927; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:49:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: PROTIEUS Message-ID: <12c06945.34c14288@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:45:10 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Time travel? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"wh2VV2.0._T.QEKmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: well there is actually no hard evidence to prove this..or is there some where locked away 3 stories beneath the pentagon.. Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 16:24:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA30168; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:23:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:23:57 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:10:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Testatika Message-ID: <19980117.161039.3550.0.tv@juno.com> References: <34C093D4.1F35@keelynet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,13-15,17-18,23-24,27-32 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"b6nzx.0.9N7.QkKmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:19:48 -0800 Jerry writes: >What holds promise? Testatika, also known as the Swiss ML Converter >...( snip ) ... >Various other devices but of all mentioned, to the best of my >knowledge, >only the Testatika has been seen and tested by many people and is >running >today to feed the Meternitha community in Switzerland. Why does the Methernitha commune show off their fancy Wimhurst machine and then tell people that they will not allow the rest of the word to have it because it might be used for evil purposes ? Any powerful energy technology (even solar cells) can be used for evil purposes. Do they really think they have the corner on all wisdom ? Why do they show it at all ? It makes me suspicious of the whole thing Maybe they just use it to impress and indoctrinate more wealthy followers into the commune. I wonder if Methernitha has very good security. Seems like someone might be interested in stealing one of those generators. Of course if the Testatika machine is a fraud, it would not be of interest. Maybe they do have something and not enough people take them seriously including crooks. Using a Wimhurst generator does seem like a great idea for the high voltage part of some kind of Moray , Correa, or Chernowskii type plasma device. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) Republic of California From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 18:05:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16573; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:05:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:05:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:59:24 +1100 Message-Id: <199801180159.MAA05798@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Scalars, EM and the grey zone (was: zener diode ...) Resent-Message-ID: <"7xoF6.0.s24.mDMmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: (snip) >think that a static field really does have frequency, or spectra much >like white noise. > >I think that there would also be a scalar equivilent as well. > I'll buy that today. So we can derive energy from a static zero-sum-vector field. Similar to passive Casimir plates trapping random ZPE fluctuations. Now how might the vectoral disposition of this scalar "noise" be made more coherent to improve the efficiency of our collector? If this can be answered, the design rationale for some of the classic FE devices might become apparent. >Once you have scalar products, it does appear that this scalar product >may ride on EM carrier waves, and also that vector EM waves may ride on >scalar carriers, even though good shielding. > >This is quite different than the idea that electrostatic fields may fall >somewhere between scalar and EM expressions. > Is it not possible that when EM cancels to scalar, there is a residual ES effect upon the surrounding dielectric? And that the resonance of it is sympathic with, and structurally supportive of, the translation process? I would be looking at some kind of polarity reversal here. And doing it within a high dielectric material. Maybe a Barium ferrite magnet? Now, if we also cancel this ES component, or invoke a suitable geometry thereupon, a compensatory influx of scalar to EM may occur. Maybe as an aside to this someone can clarify the difference between dielectric waves and conventional EM. >I'm not familiar with this aspect of Coler's work. Did the device only >operate once he had swapped apparently identical components around after >he excited the device? > >Bob Shannon > Answered by someone else I believe. IMO the hexagonal form, and, in particular, the angle of field intersection, has particular significance to this thread. Remember, his device output DC. This obviously does not reflect a frequency of excitation. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 18:34:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19723; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:33:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: <68435d18.34c16884@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:27:10 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fundamental Forces Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"UvATf3.0.yp4.BeMmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Conroy wrote: : Since vast amounts of energy are stored in Nature, would it not be helpful to :better understand the fundamental characteristics those forces in order to :harvest them for practical use? Well, yes, that was pretty much the point I made re: finding a coherent theory of scalars; unfortunately, they're kinda hard to identify, even when looking right at them... : Why do the short term recorded bubble patterns, caused by particles of :smashed atoms, form the same Tau spiral that the solar systems keep and :apparently have kept since near the beginning of time? Er...terminology problem here? Solar systems? Are you referring to galaxies? Galactic shapes are generally driven by gravity (of the mass as a whole) and inertia (of the component parts) as Scott said. The inertial vector (momentum vector, if you prefer) of the parts aren't the same for all galaxies, which is why they aren't all exactly the same shape. The black holes suspected to exist at the centers of large spirals, like M34 (Andromeda) and the Milky Way (ours) either formed as lots of stars collided and merged in the crowded conditions at the center, or were the formation centers for the galaxies...which would mean we live in an enormous accretion disk...AFAIK, solar systems (star + planets) don't form spirals, rather a series of nested ellipses. The spirals in bubble chambers are the result of charged particles feeling the JxB force of their motion through an imposed magnetic field- reverse the polarity, and so do the spirals. Remove the field entirely, no spirals at all. Also, uncharged collision fragments, like neutrons, make straight lines. They also don't leave tracks, either, but are inferred by the effects at the ends of their travels. : Also I would be interested to know if the spiral bubble :patterns, recorded by physicist with their atom smashing apparatus, are :clockwise or counterclockwise from the original atom's point of view. Or flip the apparatus over, the spiral reverses (actually, it doesn't, you're just looking at it from the other side)... : I would :also like to know, if possible, whether each solar system's spiral is :clockwise or counterclockwise from the center of the expanding universe point :of view. Again, if you're talking galaxies here, it depends on which side you're viewing. I don't think the expanding universe concept has any impact here...besides, the "center" of the expanding universe is (current theoretical age of the universe in years) light-years away from all points in the universe equally, in a direction I can't bend my arm to point in...(along the T axis, in the negative direction); of course, a "strict" relativist will say that "direction" has no physical meaning... : And if they are both clockwise and counterclockwise, what are their :relative positioning with respect to the original atom or in the case of the :solar system, the center of that expanding system? And last of all, why do :they form a Tau spiral? In the bubble chamber case, yes, the spirals are generally centered on the collision point. Solar systems do expand, VERY slowly, as the planets radiate gravitational energy away. I don't believe they show the same kind of spiral. Galaxies, however, don't seem to be expanding (although you have to watch one for a LOOOONG time to be sure...). Scott said: << All systems down to the atomic level are collapsing, not expanding. Gavitational forces combined with inertia cause the spirals. I believe there to be a singularity at the center of each spiral galaxy causing the inward spiral. >> Yup. Me, too. Also, most theoretical astrophysicists (today, anyway [finally]). And, for that matter, most astronomers (the ones who actually use telescopes). :This would mean that the atomic fragments are being captured by other entities :dispersed uniformly in the recording medium. Are you talking bubble chambers here? If so, yes, roughly speaking. That's why the bubble tracks end. : That would mean that :theoretically the spirals would be 50% clockwise and 50% counterclockwise :without respect to their position relative to the original atom. No. The handedness of the spiral of a given particle depends solely on its charge and the polarity of the imposed magnetic field. Not all collisions produce equal numbers of positively and negatively charged particles. : With respect to the solar system, are black :holes always located at the very center of the systems, I sure hope not...if the sun is a black hole, we're all in the deep doo-doo! : and if they are, is :there some symetry involved as to whether the spiral is clockwise or :counterclockwise? In effect, is there a northern and southern hemisphere :earth type situation occuring, or does the evidence point elsewhere? Ah, I see where you're going. The Coriolis Effect (which drives weather patterns and toilet-flushing symmetry) only works because the Earth is a sphere, which imposes a complex momentum vector on free particles near its surface. But galaxies and solar systems are nearly planar, and aren't solid enough to produce the weird vectors of the Coriolis Effect. Hope this deconfuses you a bit Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 18:38:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20338; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:38:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:38:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801180238.AAA28570@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: not so good indeed ! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:40:05 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Scalars, EM and the grey zone (was: zener diode ...) Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199801180159.MAA05798@nornet.nor.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"W7yiZ2.0.hz4.diMmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > >I'm not familiar with this aspect of Coler's work. Did the device only > >operate once he had swapped apparently identical components around after > >he excited the device? > > > >Bob Shannon > > > > Answered by someone else I believe. IMO the hexagonal form, and, in > particular, the angle of field intersection, has particular significance to > this thread. Remember, his device output DC. This obviously does not reflect > a frequency of excitation. > > Peter Nielsen > I remember reading that they observed a ~180 kHz sinusoidal signal on an osciloscope attached to the Coler device. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 20:31:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02555; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:30:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:30:53 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <52aaf8ab.34c1855c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:30:17 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New home page address for Butch Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"W801G1.0.qd.yLOmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, For those who care to know, my new home page address is at HLafonte Generator Home Page http://members.aol.com/HLafonte/generator4 It is under construction. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 20:32:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02839; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:32:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:32:29 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:24:27 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Question:Electrical resistance of ferrite compared to copper Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"zJsMU2.0.Gi.SNOmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Off hand, does anyone know the resistance of ferrite as compared to copper? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 21:57:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08801; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:57:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: <2e515553.34c1992b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:54:49 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question:Electrical resistance of ferrite compared to copper Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Q9vfo3.0.O92.9dPmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-17 23:34:30 EST, you write: << Off hand, does anyone know the resistance of ferrite as compared to copper? Thanks, Butch >> In general it is much higher -- as a result ferrite cores can have fairly low eddy current losses. Resistivities range from .1 ohm-meter to over 10^6 ohm- meter for commercial grades. (That's at room temp). Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 23:01:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18633; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:00:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:00:49 -0800 Message-ID: <19980118070014.1279.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.149.68.25] From: "CJT Enterprises one" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:00:13 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"0z8yO1.0.1Z4.WYQmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, First question. Has anybody looked into the Stienmetz experiment talked about in the book The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla. BTW my web page is at http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/crystal/100/index.html chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 17 23:32:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21340; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:31:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:31:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34C1B013.2DE01397@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:32:36 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fundamental Forces References: <68435d18.34c16884@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PciJV3.0.GD5.j_Qmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Actually It does not effect the direction of rotation in a toilet or bath, They are far too small and other effects are much larger so that the Coriolis Effect is lost as noise. John Berry MFergerson wrote: > The Coriolis Effect (which drives weather patterns and toilet-flushing symmetry) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 00:44:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21082; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:44:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801180159.MAA05798@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:43:44 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Scalars, EM and the grey zone (was: zener diode ...) Resent-Message-ID: <"XN5hQ2.0.J95.m3Smq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Nielson wrote : > Maybe as an aside to this someone can > clarify the difference between dielectric > waves and conventional EM. I'm not sure what EM is , but I would describe dielectric waves as ripples of change in the dielectric properties of a dielectric material as 'something' moves through it. That "material" might even be the vacuum. That "something" might be a sound wave (a phonon, and not in the vacuum of course), a gravity wave, a temperature change, a pulse of electric charge or even "conventional EM". Each would travel at its characteristic velocity through the particular dielectric medium. One source of dielectric wave might cause another or be involved in some complex way with the other types, linked through mutual dependence on the properties of the medium at any given point. The ones I'm interested in are the ones that seem to show up where electromagnetism or other typical sources apparently aren't the cause. There's RF, acoustic, temperature, and pressure effects bothering the capacitors I tested. But all of that seemed to 'ride' on a wave of subtle change at very low frequency. I suspect that there are much higher frequencies, and that's what the Hodowanecs are supposedly about. But the super low ones are the only ones I can honestly believe I've actually recorded that aren't just noise. The rest above is just opinion and speculation. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 00:51:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21439; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:50:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:50:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C18423.176D@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:25:07 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PROTIEUS CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, USA-TESLA@list.iex.net Subject: Re: Time travel? References: <6a4631c5.34c1422f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_UQ6H.0.uE5.m9Smq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: PROTIEUS wrote: > > hello this is not in response to your time travel explanations this is about > anti gravity do you know of a way to get anti-gravity to work besides air..how > about magnets and ionization..? > > Scotty Hi Scotty welcome aboard Yes I have Ideas but the RRAMME pump is necessary to test them it all revolves around atomic spin and momentum transfer every thing is momentum ,when this increases or decreases it becomes or is transfered into something else ,is this momentous or what.. do you think **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electric Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 02:38:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25872; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:38:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:38:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:29:54 +1100 Message-Id: <199801181129.WAA01819@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Modified coil winding for improved electromagnets Resent-Message-ID: <"XIHTr3.0.9K6.skTmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:38 AM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Geoff and all, >At 09:44 AM 1/17/98 +1100, you wrote: > >>I have added some information at my website that may be of some interest >>to those that make their own electromagnets by a way of a differnt winding >>method >>to improve the strength of your electromagnet >> >>In the same article there is an interesting method to make your own >>permanent magnets > >>my website is at >> >>http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 >> >> >>Geoff >> >Any theories why? >Do you know how the increased magnetic strength was measured? Just feeling >the pull is very subjective, and it is very dependent on distance. Has >anyone tried the transformer windings? I will soon. >-Dave > > >You could be right but I did identical tests with both types of windings with similiar materials in both cases and there did seem to be an improvement. Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 03:27:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28097; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:27:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:27:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C1E2A4.7023@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:08:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Loss of power References: <34C14645.7994@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"xrobV2.0.us6.OSUmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Marcelo et al! > > You wrote; > > Why on earth they don't give the details of their device ? > > ...(snip)...Meternitha community isn't a religious group ? > > They don't believe in charity ? > > Well, from all I've seen they ARE a religious community, but feel that > the secret was revealed to them because they practice it, not preach it. > My understanding is they feel the world is not yet ready for the > technology. A while ago, I phoned a Swiss engineer who visited the Meternitha group for three days to see the Testatika at work. Well, he wasn't to convinced and quite annoyed that apart from being non-alcoholic, the are also very opposed to smoking ... Well, he mused they are a bunch of religious whackos who deluded themselves as much as potential new members by making everybody believe they've solved the energy crisis. Which has to be taken with a grain of salt really, as they are also using windpower and regularly try to attract inventors of other FE-machines, which is strange IMO if they've got it all solved? > > The late Stefan Marinov was a member of Testatika and like all the others > in the group was sworn to secrecy about the technology, Steve Richards, > where are you now?? (pseudonym name for writer who secretly infiltrated > many occult groups, worked high up, learned their secrets and published > them).... This is what I meant - Marinov certainly had the potential of creating the machine we are all looking for. Long before I subscirbed to this list, I read a digest where Steve Harris (of TOMI fame) mentioned that a "Swiss" group was in the process of persuading him to make a permanent hop over the Atlantic - Methernitha, too? BTW: I dunno if this was mentioned here before, but Nelson Camus claims he knows how the Testatika works and promised to givbe Jean-Louis Naudin all the plans for publishing them on his website. I must say I'm full of doubt ever since I witnessed Camus demonstration of his claimed CF-reactor in Zurich on December 6, 1997, but this could be interesting indeedy. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 10:52:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02879; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:52:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:52:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C24DB2.DDB7336B@idt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:45:06 -0500 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Phonon? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4pG9N1.0.ui.Izamq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have heard the term Phonon several times, but I'm not sure exactly what it means. As best as I can tell, People are refering to a particle of sound. huh? Can someone please explain exactly what a phonon is? (Yes, I do know what a photon is. :-) -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 12:35:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15512; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:34:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:34:58 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34C24DB2.DDB7336B@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:35:12 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Phonon? Resent-Message-ID: <"wUbaN3.0.Ho3.mTcmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Joey - AFAIK, a phonon is an acoustic pulse or sound wave, but can also be a physical oscillation of matter generally. On an atomic scale are quantized as all forms of energy are, and can be considered to have particle-like characteristics. The tiny individual pulses of momentum felt by molecules as heat, brownian motion, and even impulses from the ZPE might be considered phonons as they travel from one atomic particle to the next. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 12:56:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19068; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:56:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: <34C29679.1B78@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:55:37 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Loss of power References: <34C14645.7994@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qR7Ug.0.rf4.qncmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Marcelo et al! > > You wrote; > > Why on earth they don't give the details of their device ? > > ...(snip)...Meternitha community isn't a religious group ? > > They don't believe in charity ? > > Well, from all I've seen they ARE a religious community, but feel that > the secret was revealed to them because they practice it, not preach it. > My understanding is they feel the world is not yet ready for the > technology. > > A strange and megalomaniacal approach to my way of thinking, to judge the > entire world in one lump pronouncement. Sounds like a few people and > groups I've unfortunately known. > It is a shame they won't give out construction plans or sell kits or > working units.... Agreed! Especially so if we really are not ready. > The late Stefan Marinov was a member of Testatika and like all the others > in the group was sworn to secrecy about the technology, Steve Richards, > where are you now?? (pseudonym name for writer who secretly infiltrated > many occult groups, worked high up, learned their secrets and published > them).... So you advocate the infiltration of private groups for the purpose of stealing their work and publishing it? Isn't this a rather "megalomaniacal approach" to hte intellectual property of others. If they are smart enough to have it, why do you assume that your smart enough to decide that is should be stolen from them and given away? That seems very disrespectful of the Meternitha community's position. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 13:16:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23324; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:16:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:16:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980118122236.00690b10@mail.dds.nl> X-Sender: ardhout@mail.dds.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:22:36 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Ardjan Houtekamer Subject: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WGH5_3.0.Ei5.H4dmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, Does anybody know in which devices I can find magnets. I need a LOT of magnets and maybe I can get some in old devices (such as micro-waves) instead of buying them. Ardjan E-mail: ardhout@dds.nl ICQ#: 5669608 Tel: 06-55190980 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 13:47:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29093; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:47:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:47:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980118164501.006c1f38@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:45:01 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: Phonon? In-Reply-To: References: <34C24DB2.DDB7336B@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Dikuj2.0.U67.eXdmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:35 AM 1/18/98 -1000, Rick Monteverde wrote: >Joey - > >AFAIK, a phonon is an acoustic pulse or sound wave, but can also be a >physical oscillation of matter generally. On an atomic scale are quantized >as all forms of energy are, and can be considered to have particle-like >characteristics. The tiny individual pulses of momentum felt by molecules >as heat, brownian motion, and even impulses from the ZPE might be >considered phonons as they travel from one atomic particle to the next. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > > > A phonon is a quantum of thermal energy in a crystal lattice. Phonons can be annihilated, scattered, and are described as E = h-bar * omega. Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 14:18:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26860; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:18:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <611f48ac.34c27ca2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:05:20 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: VHS movie THE WATER ENGINE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"GiXqk2.0.XZ6.u-dmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I just rented a movie, THE WATER ENGINE. Has anyone seen it? It could be old, I don't know, but it makes one think twice about what the powers that be would do if anyone did invent an overunity device. It was well worth watching. Has anyone out there seen it, if so what did you think? What happened to the guy who invented it, was what I believe, could happen. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 15:45:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18813; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:44:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:44:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:44:41 +1100 Message-Id: <199801182344.KAA10690@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Scalars, EM and the grey zone Resent-Message-ID: <"K__E5.0.sb4.qFfmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >One source of dielectric wave >might cause another or be involved in some complex way with the other >types, linked through mutual dependence on the properties of the medium at >any given point. The ones I'm interested in are the ones that seem to show >up where electromagnetism or other typical sources apparently aren't the >cause. > A kind of standing wave in the "grey zone", like during cancellation of EM for scalars perhaps? >There's RF, acoustic, temperature, and pressure effects bothering the >capacitors I tested. But all of that seemed to 'ride' on a wave of subtle >change at very low frequency. I suspect that there are much higher >frequencies, and that's what the Hodowanecs are supposedly about. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > When you pump a capacitor, you produce dielectric waves. This was the basis of T.T. Brown's communication system. Naturally a tuned cap would be the receiver. In the case of aircore bifilars, I suspect we would be looking at dielectric waves faster than C. By superimposing a material with a higher dielectric constant they might be decelerated and residual energy bled off. Have any experiments been done on the effect of magnets on dielectric waves? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 17:00:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20595; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:00:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:00:35 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801182344.KAA10690@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:59:44 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Scalars, EM and the grey zone Resent-Message-ID: <"vEsLt1.0.a15.mMgmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter - > In the case of aircore bifilars, I suspect we > would be looking at dielectric waves faster > than C. By superimposing a material with > a higher dielectric constant they might be > decelerated and residual energy bled off. Then why can't somebody just spark one and see the tic on a scope from another one some distance away? > Have any experiments been done on the > effect of magnets on dielectric waves? I don't know. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 17:42:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11048; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:42:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:42:23 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <9a8069e7.34c2ae6f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:37:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Is link bad? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"kt6dw1.0.Wi2.zzgmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have had reports that my link does not work. Would you people on the list that care to, please try it and send me a works or not works? Thanks guys, Butch HLafonte Generator Home Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 17:52:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13474; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:52:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:52:10 -0800 Message-ID: <34C2B12E.20B6@darknet.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:49:34 -0500 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is link bad? References: <9a8069e7.34c2ae6f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oavnO1.0.KI3.97hmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch, I tried the link and it didn't work.. it opened up an "unknown file type" dialog box, and asked me if I wished to save the file.. weird.. is this the message others have been getting? ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 18:32:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20594; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:32:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:32:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34C2B9D7.47376CC0@idt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:26:31 -0500 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Phonon? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t88MG3.0.e15.lihmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tell me if this is the basic concept... phnons are the result of applying wave particle duality to sound waves. ie. everything is both particle and wave so that means that there must be a sound particle? If so, would that mean that sound is able to travel in a vacume? -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 18:39:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02066; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:39:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Interferometry Message-ID: <19980118.214033.12151.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <19980116.181347.2303.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8,14-15,17,19-20,22-26,28-33,35-37 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:37:44 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"Wh1sC2.0.BW.ophmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:54:46 -0800 Bob Shannon writes: >steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: >> . Anyone here investigated this area? > >Yes, do you have specific questions in this area? > Two. What is the "best" translator design that would allow conventional EM effects to show up. Asking primarily because of the power levels needed to light 100W bulbs is quite high, keeping in mind that the possible health effects. Really want a good directional translator. The bifilar types are simple, but appear to create a "sperical" field around the translator. The second is: what real application would one have for this particular technology. Beside weapons and wireless transmission of power (wires are fine for me right now). My real intent here is not to build one, at least not now ;-), but to fill in some gaps in my understanding.... >Scalar products may be impressed onto EM carrier waves, and then >propogate at C. > How do we acheive this? My assumption is that you would run conventional RF through a scalar translator. Is it that simple (few things are!)? >Try laughing a bit more! > May take your advice, but I must warn you that my wife already thinks I am nuts! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 19:09:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04752; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:09:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:09:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:08:04 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Phonon? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980118164501.006c1f38@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NFFT02.0.7A1.RFimq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: you asked: Quote:"" *** Phonons *** Phonons are quanta of energy of the normal modes of vibration of the crystal lattice or of an elastic continuum. The concept of the phonon is closely analogous to that of the photon in electrodynamics. In each case we consider the quantization of the energy of a single wave. According to the classical theory, the possible values of the energy content are continuously variable. According to quantum theory, the energy content of a wave, or any other harmonic oscillator, of frequency v can have only a discrete set of values (N + 1/2)hv, where N is an integer and h the Planck constant. The zero-point energy hv/2 is always present and can be regarded as part of the formation energy of the oscillator. The additional energy consists of an integral number N of quanta or phonons. Energy can be added to or removed from the oscillator only in integral numbers of phonons. The concept of phonons refers to the quantization of the energy content of each oscillator, not to the nature of the oscillator itself. The oscillator can be a progressive displacement wave in a discrete lattice of atoms (lattice wave), or a displacement wave in a elastic continuum (sound wave), or even a localized vibration. It is not necessary to consider a discrete lattice to have the energy of each oscillator quantized. Phonons can exist in an elastic continuum just as photons exist in a continuous medium or in free space. The quantization of the energy of each vibrational mode or oscillator has important thermodynamic consequences. While the number of phonons in each oscillator must be, at any instant, an integer of N, the average number of phonons in an ensemble of identical oscillators, each with the frequency v, in thermal equilibrium at temperature T is given by the Planck distribution N^o=(e^hv/kT-1)^-1 where k is the Boltzmann constant. The average energy content of each oscilator (without zero-point energy) is N^o hv, and each oscillator contributes to the specific heat of the system an amount hv(dN^o/dT). Unless kT>hv, the specific heat of the oscillator falls below below the classical value of k. Hence, the specific heat of a solid containing G atoms and having the vibrational energy of 3G harmonic oscillators is well below the the classical value of 3Gk at low temperatures. ... ... ..." end quote ...........(see below for continuation.)............. Def: by P.G. Klemens (pg 904-906) Encyclopedia of Physics 2nd-ed. VCH Publishers, Inc. NY ISBN3-527-26954-1 hope that helps, -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 21:22:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19246; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:22:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:22:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:22:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801190522.VAA15841@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Scalars, EM and the grey zone Resent-Message-ID: <"EckLB1.0.Vi4.CCkmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:44 AM 1/19/98 +1100, Peter Nielsen wrote: >When you pump a capacitor, you produce dielectric waves. This was the basis >of T.T. Brown's communication system. Naturally a tuned cap would be the >receiver. In the case of aircore bifilars, I suspect we would be looking at >dielectric waves faster than C. By superimposing a material with a higher >dielectric constant they might be decelerated and residual energy bled off. > >Have any experiments been done on the effect of magnets on dielectric waves? > This may be only loosely related, but I have started some experiments of putting an electrolytic cap. in the bore of an electromagnet, powered by either DC or 60Hz AC. I haven't run the experiment for long times, as the electromagnet will get hot for fields of 1000 Gauss or so, but so far, haven't noticed a change in the capacitance or the capacitor's voltage. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 21:29:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20826; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:29:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34C30012.3F15@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:26:10 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: VHS movie THE WATER ENGINE References: <611f48ac.34c27ca2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VWWSP3.0.A55.vIkmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch! I've heard of that movie, but never knew it was available....I saw a very short promo of it but was never able to find the movie at Blockbusters or local grocery store type checkouts... Is it supposed to be a documentary? If so, who invented the engine? Do you know the production company or info on it where I could order a copy? Dr. Rhodes, the REAL inventor of 'Browns' Gas', said that hydrogen didn't produce much thrust when exploded, not enough to drive a car cylinder as we expect from gasoline...but combined with other gases, oxygen and a bit'o'outside air and it does...he's a neat guy if you get a chance to email him. http://keelynet.com/energy/oxyhyd1.htm Thanks!! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 21:57:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22959; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:57:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:57:23 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:53:29 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: VHS movie THE WATER ENGINE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"aAf8v.0.bc5.zikmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-19 00:31:08 EST, you write: << Is it supposed to be a documentary? If so, who invented the engine? Do you know the production company or info on it where I could order a copy? >> Jerry, The movie is not a documentary, it is fiction, but I wonder if it might be based on something from the past? A lot of "stars" in it. I will get info. on where to get it. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 21:56:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27736; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:56:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:56:47 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <2d1b72f8.34c2ea3d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:52:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: HLafonte@aol.com Subject: Re: Is link bad? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"FbyYt2.0.Gn6.Tikmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch wrote: :I have had reports that my link does not work. Would you people on the list :that care to, please try it and send me a works or not works? :Thanks guys, :Butch Works fine as of 10:52 PM AZ time, 18 Jan 98 Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 22:24:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26300; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:24:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: <12c3c280.34c2f099@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:20:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: ardhout@dds.nl Subject: Re: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"W-mrI2.0.qQ6.E6lmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ardjan asked: :Does anybody know in which devices I can find magnets. :I need a LOT of magnets and maybe I can get some in old devices (such as :micro-waves) instead of buying them. Try the dumpster of a stereo store; they commonly discard large speakers with blown coils, or torn cones (replacement is often cheaper than repair). The magnets are easy to remove with a chisel and a little care. Be sure to ask the manager first; most are glad to have you lighten the load as long as you are neat about it (and discard or scrap the frames yourself, of course), and some will actually reserve them for you so you don't have to actually dumpster-dive. Speakers provide nice, large, ring-shaped STRONG ferrite magnets, of consistent strength for a given wattage of speaker. The poles are on the flat faces. Good hunting Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 22:27:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26851; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:27:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: <73053399.34c2f21a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:26:32 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: VHS movie THE WATER ENGINE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"gjTI83.0.RZ6.d9lmq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-19 01:00:54 EST, you write: << << Is it supposed to be a documentary? If so, who invented the engine? Do you know the production company or info on it where I could order a copy? >> >> Sounds like an interesting and pretty good movie, originally for TNT tv, released to video in 1995, a summary can be found at http://www.tvguide.com/movies/database (search for "water engine, the" ) Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 18 22:43:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03458; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:42:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:42:58 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <36ff1dfa.34c2f5e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:42:42 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New home page address for LaFonte home page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"_qzOH2.0.sr.mNlmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, AOL says this should work for everyone. If you have problems let me know. If the web goes down world wide, it probably has something to do with my home page. Thanks, Butch HLafonte Generator Home Page1 http://members.aol.com/HLafonte/generator4.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 04:19:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10047; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:19:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:19:04 -0800 Message-ID: <34C33BD8.6043@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:41:12 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: USA-TESLA@list.iex.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electron Orbits, References: <199801190811.AAA22278@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4l3IO1.0.uS2.tIqmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > At 09:47 AM 1/18/98 -0600, you wrote: > >i disagree that momentum is everything. momentum may explain why the > >earth orbits the sun, but it does not explain the orbits of electrons. > > > > One of the most common misconceptions in physics is the idea that electrons > orbit atoms in much the same way as the Earth goes around the sun. In fact, > electrons zip around in orbits that may go any direction. An electron can > be said, at any particular instant, to "probably" be somewhere. But it > might not be there, and in the next instant it could be in another orbit. A > better model is to think of all an atom's electrons as a sort of cloud > around the atom -- that has proven to be much more useful in chemistry. The > idea of momentum may or may not apply to electrons. From our viewpoint, > what matters more is the relative density of the electron cloud. Momentum > usually implies mass, Mass usually implies momentum no mass you still have momentum ,ZPE > and electrons have so little mass that it is almost > negligible. When electrons flow by absorbing increasing or decreasing momentum its easy to see ,single wire, paper glue,flow...=twist > I understand some physicists have argued that there isn't even > any such thing as an electron, as such, but rather each electron is itself a group of rapidly changing subatomic particles. This is because an electron is momentum > > This doesn't appear to have much to do with time travel, but hopefully this > information will be useful in some of the "harmonic chemistry" experiments > out there. It also may help us understand a little more about > electromagnetic propagation. > > -- Michael Riversong ** zero point energy fluctuations imply to me that momentum is looking for a place to rest my pump will tap this simply safely beautifully and of course the implications are that if its successful the beast of man GREED shall get a good smack in the face ,because those who have power shall lose it and those who would try to control or abuse this wealth shall be consumed by it. All this thought has inspired another poem called LAMENT TO THE MEN IN BLACK I'll save it till my pump is humping... err runing **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electric Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 09:12:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24601; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:12:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:12:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:13:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank C. Earl" X-Sender: fearl@localhost To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers In-Reply-To: <34C11672.5FE2@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UGFBi2.0.G06.Bcumq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Bob Shannon wrote: > I agree that we cannot be SURE, but if the device operates on some > unknown technology we can be fairly sure that we have altered things. > New tchnologies evolve from older, better understood technologies. Again, using your postulate, how can you be certain you've changed a single thing. Time paradoxes are only so because we concieve of time being a purely linear thing. It's not. > If I brought back a device that was simply an improvement on some > currently understood device, it would not be the level of proof Jerry > had asked for. It might. It would depend on how much evolution was involved. Say for example if I were a time traveller from 20 years in the past. I bring back a "modern" PC of the desktop, or better yet of the notebook variety from our current present time. What would people make of it 20 years ago? That's simply an improvement (quantum improvement, I'll admit) on the computers of that era. It's all in how you look at things. > As a general rule, we do not see new technologies spring forth as > working devices with no technological evolutionary history. The transistor is one such example. The story that AT&T gives for the discovery of the transistor is utter hogwash- not to mention that the picture that AT&T give for the original device is nothing more than a RF power tube. Nobody has yet to my knowlege reproduced the experiment that AT&T gives for the transistor, nobody was looking for the thing until AT&T magically produced it, and bulk silicon rectifier material would not lend itself to an knowlege to dopants that would make it a transistor. There's an example thereof that doesn't really have a evolutionary history, but yet nobody questions the appearance of a transistor onto the scene- do you really think that it would be any different with something else? > Even if the possible future I visited came to be as a result of my > 'tampering', have I not restricted the role of the free will of the > Earth's population in selecting the form of the future? Have I the > right to try this? I think not. This places a lot onto you, yes. But your very actions, whether or not you time travel or not have the same effect- restricting the role of the free will of Earth's population in selecting each and every second's form of the future. In other words, by your very existance, you change the future of everyone around you- possibly the whole world. You can't avoid it. Sobering thought, no? > I cannot agree here. Let me try to convince you... > What would prvent my traveling to that possible future? Perhaps it wouldn't. I'm inserting a linear bias on time that I probably shouldn't because there's nothing that really says you can't. But it poses some thorny questions that are onerous to answer. For example... Can you travel to a past that will no longer exist when you return to it? (Remember, you're destroying the current "present"- the future timeline that'll die if you bring something "back" to your original present time the past that created it will cease to exist. > How can you say that the future I visited is 'as it should be'? Is there any "as it should be" at all? I've changed the future by merely posting a response to your first assertions and again when I replied to you this time. Would it be any different if I went into the "future" or a possible future and plucked a device out of the timeline? Not really. > If the device I brought back was based on a totally unknown technology, > we can be pretty sure that it would not be invented here and now, as > inventions are the product of an evolution of ideas. No invention using > a new technology has ever popped into existance as a finished product. I'll reiterate that the transistor is a prime example of this actually happening. This is not to say that it was plucked out of time- although this is as believeable as the roswell stories that ACC's putting up on their WWW site. As to what actually happened in the case of the transistor, who knows? I don't have enough insight myself to venture a guess, but I will say that it does fit the profile of what you're describing. > He would not have invented the thing, he would have reverse engineered > it, there is a big difference. So? What if some of the other things we have were done that way? Would you know? Would any of us know? I suspect not. > I agree that great care would be wise, to the point that no such ego > gratifying demonstration should ever be attempted. The future is to be > shaped by the free will of the population, not directed by the > non-linear time jumping of an individual or group. Don't bet on it. You can never say for sure that this hasn't already happened or will happen in our future. One individual has shaped our future on numerous occasions- too numerous to count, but I'll give a few from off the top of my head... Newton Einstein Oppenheimer Goddard Plato Aristotle Alexander the Great Gengis Khan ... ... Realize that these people shaped our future- not the population of the Earth as you put it. Doesn't matter if they did it with a time machine or if they did it without it- they changed the history of this world and changed how the future would play out. The existance of a time machine into this picture doesn't change things one whit. > I have sat and thought about this for some time, and I must confess I am > totally missing exactly what would prevent me from getting to that > possible future. > > If I sever my connection to the past, and arrive in a possible future, > so be it. > > Assuming I can navigate through time, exactly what prevents me from > traveling backward to a time shortly after I left? Because you're assuming a linearity that doesn't exist. In the postulate you give, time changes when you bring back the device. You will not be able to arrive at the same "past" because the "past" you came from is predicated on the timeline staying the same throughout. Doesn't matter if you arrive before or after you left. You need something as a referant to get from point A to point B, no matter what you travel along, be it space or time. Your referant disappears either when you "leave" the current present to go to the "future", which then becomes your "present", or when you leave the future, which is your current present to go back to the now past, or your old present. If the timeline ceases to be as you put it, the point you're aiming for goes poof at some point and ceases to be accessable- unless all possible timelines are accessable, in which, that's a whole different can of worms to deal with. And if that were the case, then the whole issue of time travel "destroying" or "shaping" futures becomes terribly irrelavent. You become a member of the timeline in which you plucked device X from an alternate timeline. There will be another one in which you didn't bother to do that. > It was not my intention to set out 'clean-cut determinations', only to > suggest that the reality of time travel might not be as clean cut as > Jerry Decker suggested in his challange. Apparently I suceeded even > though it appears I was doing something else! And it was my intention to show that it may well be as simple as Jerry suggested in his challenge. Simply put, time's something we really don't have a good grasp on so who can say how time travel, if it is possible, will affect things. Frank Earl- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 09:13:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22531; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:13:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:13:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:14:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank C. Earl" X-Sender: fearl@localhost To: Marcelo Puhl cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss In-Reply-To: <199801171959.RAA14429@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7Wdn1.0.yV5.tcumq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Marcelo Puhl wrote: > Why on earth they don't give the details of their device ? > > There are so many places in the world where electric energy is very missing ! > > Meternitha community isn't a religious group ? They don't believe in charity ? Because they think that giving it away will contribute to the evils of the world because it'll make it that much easier to contribute to the strife the world is experiencing today. Frank Earl- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 14:09:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00978; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:08:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: <34C3EA48.7622@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:05:28 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Water Engine Video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dbjJ-1.0.2F.sxymq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The following was sent to the KeelyNet-L discussion list by David Book; ------------------------------------------------------- If you can't find The Water Engine at your usual video stores, try Reel.com http://www.reel.com They have it available for a one week rental for $4.50. Shipping from them via Priority Mail is $6.50. Plot summaries: >From reel.com:Reel Snapshot: During the Depression, an inventor creates an engine that runs on water. His revolutionary break through becomes mired in company red tape and bureaucracy. >From The Internet Movie Database http://www.us.imdb.comIn the 1930s, Charles Lang invents an engine that runs using water for fuel. But when he tries to get it patented, he is first offered a ridiculously low amount. When he refuses, there are suddenly several people pressuring him to sell. The big oil companies don't want the competition. Now he has to try and keep them from getting his idea, and somehow get it published. There actually is a lot of high-priced talent behind this film. Steven Spielberg is one of the co-producers for his Amblin Television. David Mamet wrote the screenplay. Looks like it might be worth a look. >From the Internet Movie Database: Water Engine, The (1992) (TV) USA 1992 Color 8.7/10 (16 votes) Produced by: Amblin Television / Majestic Films International Language: English Genre/keyword: Drama / 1930s / invention Directed by Steven Schachter Cast (in credits order) complete, awaiting verification Written by David Mamet (also play) (I cut out the cast credits, though they are impressive) Sounds like a precursor to 'Chain Reaction' (water dissociation for hydrogen as fuel) and 'The Saint' (cold fusion). -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 15:10:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08432; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:09:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:09:21 -0800 From: MFergerson Message-ID: <4abda7f4.34c3d84c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:48:41 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZfXHW.0.d32.Vqzmq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank Earl wrote: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Marcelo Puhl wrote: :> Why on earth they don't give the details of their device ? :> :> There are so many places in the world where electric energy is very missing ! :> :> Meternitha community isn't a religious group ? They don't believe in charity ? : :Because they think that giving it away will contribute to the evils of the :world because it'll make it that much easier to contribute to the strife :the world is experiencing today. Every generation seems to think "Things are so awful, these are the end times". Common knowledge of how to build A-bombs is really no different from common knowledge of flinging plague-killed cows into an enemy castle- mass destruction is a relative term. As many have pointed out, the truly amazing thing about the history of megadeath weaponry development is the fact that we're still alive to be horrified by it. I wish I had a communication line to the group in question; I'd ask them to look around: ANY technology CAN be used for weaponry. But then, the largest number of commercially produced lasers, for instance, are designed and used to save lives and cure otherwise untreatable debilitating conditions (retinal detachment, etc.); NOT to build "ray guns". If they truly think humanity at large would use the Testatika tech for harm, it just says more about what they think of themselves, rather than what we on this list, for example think of humanity as a whole. The old "don't give a loaded gun to a child" argument loses a lot of weight when you consider that our "childish" world STILL hasn't blown its collective head off with the frightful toys we have now, and shows no signs of doing so anytime soon. Are we too "irresponsible" to use the Testatika tech wisely? Maybe. But if we don't get the chance to find out, then "free will" is just an excuse to condemn innocents to horrible death by freezing, starvation, flood, etc. Methernitha, you are moral cowards. I am proud to be on the freenrg list with selfless heroes. Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 15:26:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13770; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:25:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34C40AC9.23BF@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:24:09 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Interferometry References: <19980116.181347.2303.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <19980118.214033.12151.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"22CNK1.0.xM3.83-mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:54:46 -0800 Bob Shannon > writes: > >steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > > >> . Anyone here investigated this area? > > > >Yes, do you have specific questions in this area? > > > Two. What is the "best" translator design that would allow conventional > EM effects to show up. Asking primarily because of the power levels > needed to light 100W bulbs is quite high, keeping in mind that the > possible health effects. Really want a good directional translator. The > bifilar types are simple, but appear to create a "sperical" field around > the translator. I know of no 'directional' translator, and I do not beleive that this is possible. How can a scalar, lacking direction by definition, be directional? > The second is: what real application would one have for this particular > technology. > Beside weapons and wireless transmission of power (wires are fine for me > right now). Such an interferometer would have countless applications. As a sensor, it could be used to study scalar and EM wave and field structures, collecting very low level signals from distant sources, or detecting signal and objects in cases where EM is not practical (due to range, propogation speed, shielding, interference, etc). As an effector, Interferometery could be used in communications systems, high energy research, materials science and fabrication, etc. Who knows where the practical limits may fall? > My real intent here is not to build one, at least not now ;-), but to > fill in some gaps in my understanding.... > > >Scalar products may be impressed onto EM carrier waves, and then > >propogate at C. > > > How do we acheive this? My assumption is that you would run conventional > RF through a scalar translator. Is it that simple (few things are!)? The simplest method is to use a trifilar translator. Two windings are fed in opposition yeilding a scalar product. The third winding could be used to pass the EM carrier signal. The scalar product would be impressed onto the EM current flowing through the third trifilar winding. > >Try laughing a bit more! > > > May take your advice, but I must warn you that my wife already thinks I > am nuts! Then your probably doing it just right! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 16:05:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01320; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C41416.254F@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:03:50 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yxmCt.0.XK.If-mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank C. Earl wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Bob Shannon wrote: > > > I agree that we cannot be SURE, but if the device operates on some > > unknown technology we can be fairly sure that we have altered things. > > New tchnologies evolve from older, better understood technologies. > > Again, using your postulate, how can you be certain you've changed a > single thing. Time paradoxes are only so because we concieve of time > being a purely linear thing. It's not. We cannot be 'certain', your quite correct. Our current lack of understanding suggests caution in my mind. > > If I brought back a device that was simply an improvement on some > > currently understood device, it would not be the level of proof Jerry > > had asked for. > > It might. It would depend on how much evolution was involved. Say for > example if I were a time traveller from 20 years in the past. I bring > back a "modern" PC of the desktop, or better yet of the notebook variety > from our current present time. What would people make of it 20 years ago? > That's simply an improvement (quantum improvement, I'll admit) on the > computers of that era. It's all in how you look at things. Good point, 20 years ago a 'modern' PC was not unthinkable in terms of technology or performance, in fact, it was predicted by semiconductor manufacturers. But let me ask, just how advanced might some of the projects currently sitting in research labs today be as compared to todays commercial technology. I think 'proof' of time travel calls for something beyond packing a lot of transistors per micron. Modern PC technology is the same old technology packaged much denser. Perhaps some anti-grav type technology would be more persuasive than silicon? > > As a general rule, we do not see new technologies spring forth as > > working devices with no technological evolutionary history. > > The transistor is one such example. The story that AT&T gives for the > discovery of the transistor is utter hogwash- not to mention that the > picture that AT&T give for the original device is nothing more than a RF > power tube. I have heard a lot of stories about the development of the transistor. The picture of the first germanium transistor from Bell Labs clearly shows a semiconductor device, a point contact transistor, not a vacuum tube. The transistor actually has a clear, terrestrial development history. It's actually not all that hard to find naturally occuring transistors in gelena crystals, just add another point contact to an old cats whisker detector, and probe around a bit. There is no evidence to suggest that the transistor sprang forth from anything other than the standard evolution of technology. We had germainum diodes already, its not such a large step from there at all. > Nobody has yet to my knowlege reproduced the experiment that > AT&T gives for the transistor, nobody was looking for the thing until AT&T > magically produced it, and bulk silicon rectifier material would not lend > itself to an knowlege to dopants that would make it a transistor. I disagree. What references to the development of the transistor are you using? > There's > an example thereof that doesn't really have a evolutionary history, but > yet nobody questions the appearance of a transistor onto the scene- do you > really think that it would be any different with something else? Yes. Again, the transistor's development is no mystery. Many Ufologists prefer to think otherwise, claiming that the transistor came from the Rosewell crash. This bogus claim is easily debunked however. > > Even if the possible future I visited came to be as a result of my > > 'tampering', have I not restricted the role of the free will of the > > Earth's population in selecting the form of the future? Have I the > > right to try this? I think not. > > This places a lot onto you, yes. But your very actions, whether or not > you time travel or not have the same effect- restricting the role of the > free will of Earth's population in selecting each and every second's form > of the future. In other words, by your very existance, you change the > future of everyone around you- possibly the whole world. You can't avoid > it. Sobering thought, no? How do my actons limit your free will? I dont follow this line of reasoning. > Let me try to convince you... > > > What would prvent my traveling to that possible future? > > Perhaps it wouldn't. I'm inserting a linear bias on time that I probably > shouldn't because there's nothing that really says you can't. But it > poses some thorny questions that are onerous to answer. For example... > > Can you travel to a past that will no longer exist when > you return to it? (Remember, you're destroying the > current "present"- the future timeline that'll die if you > bring something "back" to your original present time the > past that created it will cease to exist. How can the past no longer exist 'WHEN' I return to it? If I return, clearly what I return to must exist. Personally, I favor an Everett-Wheeler like theory of multiple time lines, something will be there by the very act of arriving, whenever that might be. > > How can you say that the future I visited is 'as it should be'? > > Is there any "as it should be" at all? I've changed the future by merely > posting a response to your first assertions and again when I replied to > you this time. Would it be any different if I went into the "future" or a > possible future and plucked a device out of the timeline? Not really. To me, 'as it should be' implies the process of interaction between free wills, the evolution of history, not 'fill in the blanks' between where we are, and some possible future we might visit. Its the journy, not the destination that is important to me. > > If the device I brought back was based on a totally unknown technology, > > we can be pretty sure that it would not be invented here and now, as > > inventions are the product of an evolution of ideas. No invention using > > a new technology has ever popped into existance as a finished product. > > I'll reiterate that the transistor is a prime example of this actually > happening. This is not to say that it was plucked out of time- although > this is as believeable as the roswell stories that ACC's putting up on > their WWW site. As to what actually happened in the case of the > transistor, who knows? I don't have enough insight myself to venture a > guess, but I will say that it does fit the profile of what you're > describing. But the transistor simply did not pop into being as you claim. Please provide refernences to the picture you claim is a vacuum tube. What about the long, detailed work that led us from selinium rectifiers up through germainium diodes, and then onto the point contact germainium transistor? We knew a lot about doping semiconductors, and our abilities evolved. There is a clear development history here. > > He would not have invented the thing, he would have reverse engineered > > it, there is a big difference. > > So? What if some of the other things we have were done that way? Would > you know? Would any of us know? I suspect not. I suspect we would, as we would have devices with no evolutionaty links, just as the point contact diode was for the point contact transistor. We would also have no clear theory of operation, which we did at the time the transistor was developed. The idea that the transistor 'sprang forth' from nothing is an urban legend. > > I agree that great care would be wise, to the point that no such ego > > gratifying demonstration should ever be attempted. The future is to be > > shaped by the free will of the population, not directed by the > > non-linear time jumping of an individual or group. > > Don't bet on it. You can never say for sure that this hasn't already > happened or will happen in our future. One individual has shaped our > future on numerous occasions- too numerous to count, but I'll give a > few from off the top of my head... One individual may have a large effect, but no individual should ever have control outside the free will of the remainder of the population. > > Newton > Einstein > Oppenheimer > Goddard > Plato > Aristotle > Alexander the Great > Gengis Khan > ... > ... > > Realize that these people shaped our future- not the population of the > Earth as you put it. Doesn't matter if they did it with a time machine or > if they did it without it- they changed the history of this world and > changed how the future would play out. The existance of a time machine > into this picture doesn't change things one whit. > > > I have sat and thought about this for some time, and I must confess I am > > totally missing exactly what would prevent me from getting to that > > possible future. > > > > If I sever my connection to the past, and arrive in a possible future, > > so be it. > > > > Assuming I can navigate through time, exactly what prevents me from > > traveling backward to a time shortly after I left? > > Because you're assuming a linearity that doesn't exist. In the postulate > you give, time changes when you bring back the device. You will not be > able to arrive at the same "past" because the "past" you came from is > predicated on the timeline staying the same throughout. I dont beleive that I am assuming linearity at all. Time changes only after I return and take action, showing off the technology taken from another time. I do agree that I cannot return to the same past, my 'past' ended with my non-linear time movement into the future. This is clearly non-linear, and is not based on the timeline staying constant in any way. > Doesn't matter if > you arrive before or after you left. You need something as a referant to > get from point A to point B, no matter what you travel along, be it space > or time. Your referant disappears either when you "leave" the current > present to go to the "future", which then becomes your "present", or when > you leave the future, which is your current present to go back to the now > past, or your old present. If the timeline ceases to be as you put it, > the point you're aiming for goes poof at some point and ceases to be > accessable- unless all possible timelines are accessable, in which, that's > a whole different can of worms to deal with. Ahhh, I see your point. Yes, I beleive that all time lines are accessable. > And if that were the case, > then the whole issue of time travel "destroying" or "shaping" futures > becomes terribly irrelavent. You become a member of the timeline in which > you plucked device X from an alternate timeline. There will be another > one in which you didn't bother to do that. Yes, but that is no longer the time line which evolved from our current present. Do you claim that this is irrelevent? > > It was not my intention to set out 'clean-cut determinations', only to > > suggest that the reality of time travel might not be as clean cut as > > Jerry Decker suggested in his challange. Apparently I suceeded even > > though it appears I was doing something else! > > And it was my intention to show that it may well be as simple as Jerry > suggested in his challenge. Simply put, time's something we really don't > have a good grasp on so who can say how time travel, if it is possible, > will affect things. > > Frank Earl- Ok, it may be that easy, or it may not. What has been proven? Only that we dont know enough to say what the reality is. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 16:23:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA30415; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:23:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:23:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34C41886.22B4@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:22:46 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <4abda7f4.34c3d84c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_9Pqk1.0.8R7.zv-mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > Every generation seems to think "Things are so awful, these are the end > times". > Common knowledge of how to build A-bombs is really no different from common > knowledge of flinging plague-killed cows into an enemy castle- mass > destruction is a relative term. As many have pointed out, the truly amazing > thing about the history of megadeath weaponry development is the fact that > we're still alive to be horrified by it. Do you really think we could have destroyed the ecosphere with plauge ridden cows? Hydrogen bombs, sure, but by flinging sick cows, its just not possible. > I wish I had a communication line to the group in question; I'd ask them to > look around: ANY technology CAN be used for weaponry. But then, the largest > number of commercially produced lasers, for instance, are designed and used to > save lives and cure otherwise untreatable debilitating conditions (retinal > detachment, etc.); NOT to build "ray guns". If they truly think humanity at > large would use the Testatika tech for harm, it just says more about what they > think of themselves, rather than what we on this list, for example think of > humanity as a whole. Thinking that we know better than others is good evidence that we are not responsible. > The old "don't give a loaded gun to a child" argument loses a lot of weight > when you consider that our "childish" world STILL hasn't blown its collective > head off with the frightful toys we have now, and shows no signs of doing so > anytime soon. This assumes that a technology well outside conventional physics is no different from the technologies developed from within our current understanding of physics. This is only an assumption, unsupported by facts in hand. > Are we too "irresponsible" to use the Testatika tech wisely? Maybe. But if > we don't get the chance to find out, then "free will" is just an excuse to > condemn innocents to horrible death by freezing, starvation, flood, etc. Hold on there, its our 'free will' that brought about all that death, starvation, flood, etc. It's also within our free will to end it now, but we choose not to. Think about that. > Methernitha, you are moral cowards. Your real quick to judge without having all the facts first. > I am proud to be on the freenrg list with selfless heroes. "Selfless"? We proclaim the superiority of our personal perspective, judging others, even advocating the infiltration of private groups for the stated objective of steeling their property. This is heroic? It sounds a lot like sour grapes to me. "They have it, we want it, but they wont let us have it. We should steel it from them." This sounds like a bunch of pre-school children fighting over a toy. Personally, if a group develops something I cannot, I'm going to assume that they just might know something I dont, so count me out of the selfless hero crowd. If you want something so bad you would steel it, why not just work for it and earn it? Anything less seems like cheating to me. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 17:22:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12993; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:22:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34C11672.5FE2@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:20:50 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers Resent-Message-ID: <"gV1sH3.0.tA3.9n_mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:13 PM -0500 1/19/98, Frank C. Earl wrote: >The transistor is one such example. The story that AT&T gives for the >discovery of the transistor is utter hogwash- not to mention that the >picture that AT&T give for the original device is nothing more than a RF >power tube. Nobody has yet to my knowlege reproduced the experiment that >AT&T gives for the transistor, nobody was looking for the thing until AT&T >magically produced it, and bulk silicon rectifier material would not lend >itself to an knowlege to dopants that would make it a transistor. There's >an example thereof that doesn't really have a evolutionary history, but Quoting from "Field Effect Devices" (Second Edition) by Robert F. Pierret (Addison Wesley, 1990, ISBN 0-201-12298-7), page 1: "Historically, the field-effect phenomenon was the basis for the first type of solid-state transistor ever proposed. Field-effect transistors predate the bipolar junction transistor by approximately 20 years. As recorded in a series of patents filed in the 1920s and 1930s, J. E. Lilienfeld in the United States and O. Heil working in Germany independently conceived a transistor structure of the form shown in [diagram of Cu2S slab with electrodes on either side and an aluminum plate on top]." My understanding is that Shockley was a proponent of FETs, but that it was the other two who developed the first BJT... BTW, if Bell Labs got some alien ICs, as Col. Corso claims, how come TI made the first integrated circuits? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 17:40:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16253; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:40:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:35:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"AkxQx1.0.oz3.s10nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: :Do you really think we could have destroyed the ecosphere with plauge :ridden cows? : :Hydrogen bombs, sure, but by flinging sick cows, its just not possible. Bob, I said "mass destruction", not "destroy the ecosphere". One sick cow -> thousands dead. Same principle, different scale. When the total population was smaller, it would have been easier to kill all of it if that tech got out of hand. :Thinking that we know better than others is good evidence that we are :not responsible. Does that not apply to Methernitha? :> The old "don't give a loaded gun to a child" argument loses a lot of weight :> when you consider that our "childish" world STILL hasn't blown its collective :> head off with the frightful toys we have now, and shows no signs of doing so :> anytime soon. : :This assumes that a technology well outside conventional physics is no :different from the technologies developed from within our current :understanding of physics. : :This is only an assumption, unsupported by facts in hand. Nuclear bombs had to be re-explained repeatedly to military decision-makers when they were new, and they still didn't get the scale of destruction inherent until the first use. It just didn't fit their "current understanding". Neither did gunpowder when it was new. Personally, I think our lack of real knowledge of human psychology goes further in explaining why we're not all just piles of radioactive ash; at some level, we DO know better (of course, generals dare not admit that). :Hold on there, its our 'free will' that brought about all that death, :starvation, flood, etc. It's also within our free will to end it now, :but we choose not to. Hold on yourself, Bob. Our "free will" may set up the situations, e.g. people insisting on living in inhospitable places, but admit it, a FE system in the basement would take a lot of the misery out of what's happening in the Northeast right now... the next California hospital to lose power in a flood would sure like one, too... Massive crop failures may be the result of rotten central planning by various Gubments, but more often it has more to do with distribution problems or self-serving priorities on the part of those in charge.. "I need another Presidential Palace more than my citizens need decent food, housing and medical care". I still say that energy independence for individuals will make warlords look as silly as they really are; if my home has its own "Tesla Shield", why should I allow some jumped-up wannabe Hitler to take my sons "for the good of the country"? :Think about that. I have. Apparently, our "glorious leaders" can't be bothered. :> Methernitha, you are moral cowards. : :Your real quick to judge without having all the facts first. They claim to have clean, FE tech and won't share because we're not "fit". What else do I need to know? :> I am proud to be on the freenrg list with selfless heroes. : :"Selfless"? We proclaim the superiority of our personal perspective, :judging others, even advocating the infiltration of private groups for :the stated objective of steeling their property. Whoa there, Bob! Who's "we"? That "infiltrate and steal" jazz was somebody else's idea, not mine, and I do not approve! As for our "personal perspectives", I'm trying (honest) to take the species as a whole into account here. Yes, FE would make MY life easier in some ways, but it won't make ANYONE richer or more powerful than anyone else. If anything, it will be as great a leveler as education or decent health care. :This is heroic? It sounds a lot like sour grapes to me. No, it's disappointment. I guess I just expected better of them. :"They have it, we want it, but they wont let us have it. We should :steel it from them." This sounds like a bunch of pre-school children :fighting over a toy. I told you, that was someone else. I'd prefer to invent my own (it's a lot more fun), or help develop someone else's bright idea with the free interchange of ideas with like-minded others, and let the selfish, arrogant buggers "have their toy" AND their crappy, elitist philosophy. :Personally, if a group develops something I cannot, I'm going to assume :that they just might know something I dont, so count me out of the :selfless hero crowd. The two concepts aren't related. Suppose you found yourself the recipient of an e-mail from someone with a working FE system, who wanted you to help build a self-sufficient community that excluded "outsiders". Would you be glad you were one of the "chosen", and say to hell with the rest of us, or refuse, and say to hell with THEM and try to help those who AREN'T selfish (which is why this list exists, and why we're having this discussion, no?)? See where the heroism comes in? Think about THAT. :If you want something so bad you would steel it, why not just work for :it and earn it? I'm starting to feel a bit singed around the edges here... : Anything less seems like cheating to me. Agreed. That's why I have no use for those who would slant the playing field for their sole advantage. Besides, who REALLY invented the Testatika system? Hmmm? Mark L. Fergerson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 18:03:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21067; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:03:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:03:00 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <784c74c1.34c4034b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:52:00 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Theory of operation put on LaFonte home page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"mFQL22.0.295.BN0nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Theory of operation put on home page. Comments, please Thanks, Butch HLafonte Generator Home Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 18:23:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29040; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:23:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:23:39 -0800 Message-ID: <34C425F0.F0@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:20:00 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Ang.: Challenge to Time Travellers References: <34C11672.5FE2@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C0Rjp.0.b57.eg0nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Frank C. Earl wrote; > nobody was looking for the thing until AT&T magically produced it, > and bulk silicon rectifier material would not lend itself to an > knowlege to dopants that would make it a transistor. There's an > example thereof that doesn't really have a evolutionary history Ralph Muha wrote; > Field-effect transistors predate the bipolar junction transistor by > approximately 20 years. As recorded in a series of patents filed in > the 1920s and 1930s, J. E. Lilienfeld in the United States and O. Heil > working in Germany independently conceived a transistor structure As detailed in the book 'The Sea of Energy in which the Earth Floats', Dr. T.H. Moray, of the (in)famous Moray Valve lays first claim to the transistor and using germanium (which he calls Swedish stone) in some descriptions. John Moreland recently said the Swedish stone was lead doped with radium. Moray's book claims 18 elements make up the mineral aggregation that he developed to make the Moray Valve. It served as some kind of detector that pulled energy into a series of cold cathode vacuum tubes. To my understanding, these tubes have extremely high dielectric values, so act like super capacitors, able to SUCK up energy...when they reached a predetermined level, (lower than the prior device) they would dump to the next vacuum tube, eventually being tapped to drive loads. The claim is a representative from Bell Labs had stolen the device (transistor) from Moray and Bell (AT&T) developed and took credit for it. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 21:37:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14741; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:36:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:36:57 -0800 Message-ID: <34C461FF.117@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:36:15 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BrJ7N3.0.Cc3.sV3nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson wrote: > :> Methernitha, you are moral cowards. > : > :Your real quick to judge without having all the facts first. > > They claim to have clean, FE tech and won't share because we're not "fit". > What else do I need to know? Good question. Here is a short list. 1, do they really have what they claim? 2, why are we not fit? Maybe needing to live under Tesla Shields (if we had them) to protect children? > :"Selfless"? We proclaim the superiority of our personal perspective, > :judging others, even advocating the infiltration of private groups for > :the stated objective of steeling their property. > > Whoa there, Bob! Who's "we"? That "infiltrate and steal" jazz was somebody > else's idea, not mine, and I do not approve! As for our "personal > perspectives", I'm trying (honest) to take the species as a whole into account > here. Yes, FE would make MY life easier in some ways, but it won't make ANYONE > richer or more powerful than anyone else. If anything, it will be as great a > leveler as education or decent health care. We, in the usage I had in mind is this very list of selfless heros. I do recognise that Jerry Decker mentioned infiltration, and not you. > I told you, that was someone else. I'd prefer to invent my own (it's a lot > more fun), or help develop someone else's bright idea with the free > interchange of ideas with like-minded others, and let the selfish, arrogant > buggers "have their toy" AND their crappy, elitist philosophy. Agreed! Personally, Id enjoy understanding it as much as having it! > :Personally, if a group develops something I cannot, I'm going to assume > :that they just might know something I dont, so count me out of the > :selfless hero crowd. > > The two concepts aren't related. Suppose you found yourself the recipient of > an e-mail from someone with a working FE system, who wanted you to help build > a self-sufficient community that excluded "outsiders". Would you be glad you > were one of the "chosen", and say to hell with the rest of us, or refuse, and > say to hell with THEM and try to help those who AREN'T selfish (which is why > this list exists, and why we're having this discussion, no?)? See where the > heroism comes in? > > Think about THAT. Well, to answer your question, I would have to understand the technology and its implications if widely distributed. Is it possible that the secrecy is in our best interest as a species, for now? > :If you want something so bad you would steel it, why not just work for > :it and earn it? > > I'm starting to feel a bit singed around the edges here... My apologies for that, my intention was only to exchange personal perspectives, not to start a fire. It just seems that some people, not you personally, seem to think that the ends justify the means without knowing the whole picture, and I do not understand this thinking. I'm sure that anyone from Methernitha reading this thread is also a bit toasty reading some of these posts. We are treading on the rules of this list here. Clearly any member of that community would have been offended several posts ago. > : Anything less seems like cheating to me. > > Agreed. That's why I have no use for those who would slant the playing field > for their sole advantage. Besides, who REALLY invented the Testatika system? > Hmmm? > > Mark L. Fergerson Can you show that the playing field is slanted for their sole advantage? Being a spiritual community, I suspect they think its for our soul advantage, not their sole advantage. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 19 21:58:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01892; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:58:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:58:13 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <6240781f.34c438bb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:40:09 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Need help with odd material selection for generator Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"TI59U2.0.KT.np3nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I am looking for a material that has the best combination of these requirements. 1.General magnetic properties of ferrite, with special respect to "low memory" (demagnetizes quickly when removed from magnetic field) 2. Good conductor of electricity as compared to copper. 3. Can be made in thin flat shape and have a good insulator as does "magnet wire" 4. Can be wrapped in coil form like"magnet wire" I know it is impossible to get any two of these in one material, but I'm looking for the best compromise. Thanks, Butch Note: I am researching day and night also, but have no background in this area. See HLafonte Generator Home Page for material application. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 00:51:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19973; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:51:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:51:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:51:14 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> X-Sender: lentin@mail.imaginet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id AAA19954 Resent-Message-ID: <"eiRv4.0.-t4.YM6nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote : > I'm sure that anyone from Methernitha reading this thread is also a bit > toasty reading some of these posts. We are treading on the rules of > this list here.Clearly any member of that community would have been > offended several posts ago. Fat chance ! Certainly no one from Methernita will read anything from the Net. And, BTW, if someone wants to "infiltrate and steal the technology", they'd better be heavily armed. Here is what I heard from reporters dealing with sects, and from a one-hour TV documentary about Methernita that was aired on prime time last year in France. (And I'll pass the more grisly details). Methernita is a a very reclusive and paranoid sect. Today they number about 100, a lot less than 10 years ago. Members practically never leave the commune.. In the commune, no newspaper, no TV, no radio, no books are allowed. Members are not allowed to talk to each other, not even during meals. Rule n°1 is they have the minimum contact possible with the outside world. Methernita members don't care about the rest of the world, they think apocalypse is near and only they will be saved. The estate is closely guarded. No journalist can come near without being physically assaulted. No visitor can wander inside unaccompanied. Paul Baumann is now aged 80 and sect specialists are fearing that, when he dies, the sect might commit mass suicide. Yes, Methernita is considered THAT wacko ! As for the Testatika, seems it's been years since any one has been allowed to see it closely, let alone test it. I would be interested to read any informed evidence from engineers or scientists who allegedly tested the device 10 years ago. So far I found nothing. Testatika, IMHO, seems to be a scam or a "rural legend"... Best regards to all --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurence & Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 01:48:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22940; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:48:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:44:48 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BOWUu1.0.2c5.TB7nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! WOW! Jean-Pierre Lentin wrote; > Paul Baumann is now aged 80 and sect specialists are fearing that, > when he dies, the sect might commit mass suicide. Yes, Methernita is > considered THAT wacko ! > As for the Testatika, seems it's been years since any one has been > allowed to see it closely, let alone test it. I would be interested to > read any informed evidence from engineers or scientists who allegedly > tested the device 10 years ago. So far I found nothing. Testatika, > IMHO, seems to be a scam or a "rural legend"... Thanks for posting that bit of info....sad as it is. The only person I knew who claimed to have seen and tested it was the late Stefan Marinov, who also claimed to be a member sworn to secrecy...he would discuss no details when I twice asked him about it, in fact deftly dodging the question by bringing up another subject. Possibly Wolfram Baumann, Stefan Hartman, Juergen or even Jean Naudin might have any useful info on the Testatika? I have a copy of the video they produced, its about 30 minutes and in German which we have transcribed to English...it shows what 'appears to be' a very pleasant and organized community, showing Baumann and the machine in operation. The pictures and short video clips I've seen, most posted by Stefan H. were from that video. It all seems so pleasant and laid back. I wonder what happens to cause the cult mentality and paranoia to arise with groups and communes like this? Strange how thinking people can be swayed by one or more warped minds to follow a cult. Even on the Inet. At any rate, IMHO, there is something to taking power from electrostatics since there are many stories of aerial and even earth taps. The Testatika's use of the counter rotating Wimshurst disks, collector brushes, spark gaps and 'balanced capacitors' (and I've even heard radium chloride to enhance ion attraction) do make me think there is something to this 'legend'. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 02:32:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28057; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:31:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:31:57 -0800 Message-ID: <34C47C80.112C@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:29:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"5_OGR.0.Is6.Sq7nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > > Possibly Wolfram Baumann, Stefan Hartman, Juergen or even Jean Naudin > might have any useful info on the Testatika? Well, it's not much, but here's my story: Last summer, I wrote an article on the Electronic Voice Phenomenon (EVP) for Fortean Times. While speaking to Dr. Ernst Senkowski, one of the stalwarts of Euro-research into EVP, I asked him if he knew any inventors of FE devices or witnesses who actually saw demonstrations. Senkowski gave me the phone number of a Swiss engineer who was very open-minded and friendly - I forgot his name, but anyway ... this guy told me that he had stayed with Methernita for three days to see Testatika at work. While he was humouring them, his criticism wasn't really harsh - religious nuts, yes, but fundie fanatics, no. He was really pissed that they would not let him have his smoke. Re: Testatika he said "Look, they don't really let you see a thing" - meaning he was never allowed to be close enough to detect a fraud. In his opinion, the demos were not very convincing. Summing it up, he said that there was very probably nothing to it and when I suggested that Testatika was mainly a vehicle for attracting new members from esoteric circles, he agreed. BTW, this all took place in 1994 or 1995. Afterwards we spoke of other devices and I was left with the impression that this guy was a friendly sceptic with no interest in debunking weird claims. Once again, I wonder if it was really Methernita who tried to bring Steve Harris to Europe? I mean, they successfully persaded Stefan Marinov to join their cult, and while I've never met Stefan, I must say that his actions clearly show that he was a bright thinker, but also a lost individual who very often believed in others' claims only to find out later that there was nothing to it. Stefan's quasi-testimony on Testatika might have been based on this initial "strategy" of make-believe rather than actual investigation or information. I'm left with the impression that Methernita comes close to mimicking early scientology on a much smaller scale, drawing much of their appeal from claims of possessing technological secrets. While this is certainly interesting from the psychosocial pov., I have my doubts that this matter is worthy of further technological investigation. Perhaps we should wait until Nelson Camus publishes his plan of the Testatika on Jean-Louis Naudin's website...if it happens. _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 03:06:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29442; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:06:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:06:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C4A036.9B1@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:01:42 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> <34C47C80.112C@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vLG-r2.0.xB7.WK8nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Juergen et al! Juergen Heinzerling wrote (Gentiled); > I'm left with the impression that Methernita comes close to mimicking > early scientology on a much smaller scale, drawing much of their > appeal from claims of possessing technological secrets. While this is > certainly interesting from the psychosocial pov., I have my doubts > that this matter is worthy of further technological investigations. Thanks for responding with your insights on the matter. What an interesting idea, atracting people with the carrot of technological secrets...and sworn to secrecy also, how novel...never seen that before....... Is this the same Stewart Harris (now Steven) of TOMI notoriety? I used to be in touch with him but his health is so bad, we kind of lost touch. He lives in Las Vegas and was always disappointed because so many slammed his device who NEVER lifted a finger to build it from the clearly posted plans....I did as did many others, it does what he says it does....details on TOMI at; http://keelynet.com/energy/tomibild.htm if you are interested. I never heard that one about Harris being 'called' to Methernitha. Well, another one we might never know about. There was some guy in England who had produced detailed drawings based on many descriptions and photographs..he was supposed to be building one, but that was a good 5 years or so ago when I last heard about him. Don Kelly of SEA (Space Energy Association) also was quite interested in it, but I don't think his group ever did any experiments with what was 'known'. The so-called 'Poggendorf Effect' was intriguing, using slanted electrodes to provide a driving force to the disks when the electrodes discharged in rapid bursts.....this of course, made it self-running, IMHO a prerequisite for a mechanical free energy device. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 03:23:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01382; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:23:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:23:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120192243.00776f74@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:22:43 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss In-Reply-To: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id DAA01360 Resent-Message-ID: <"NolTq2.0.UL.Ra8nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Pierre Lentin wrote: >Fat chance ! Certainly no one from Methernita will read anything >from the Net. This is probably true. But they know the pictures etc that are available on the net because I showed them with my laptop when I visited in the middle of last year (97). >And, BTW, if someone wants to "infiltrate and steal the technology", >they'd better be heavily armed. This is total and utter BS. >Here is what I heard from reporters dealing with sects, and from a >one-hour TV documentary about Methernita that was aired on prime >time last year in France. (And I'll pass the more grisly details). > >Methernita is a very reclusive ... Not so reclusive. They carry on business competitively in the modern world using modern equipment in their modern factory and their products (mainly commercial shelving and hospital furniture which they deliver and install etc) are excellent quality. They all pay their taxes etc which Switzerland it seems has a minimum level even if one earns no income to pay with! > ... and paranoid sect. Paranoid about their Testatika secret getting out maybe, but that is about all. I wouldn't class them as a sect either. Their membership encompasses a far greater range of religious belief than any other that I can think of offhand. "Born again" baptists, Jesuit priests, and eastern mystics can all fit in there without major problems - one does need bent towards mysticism however. Their rules are quite minimal - no drugs was about it as I recall (but drugs includes caffein and alcohol). I guess many other things like stealing, fornication, etc are probably taken for granted by anyone considering membership. >Today they number about 100, About right but full-time membership probably more like 130. They have many associate members who come and go as their time and situation permits. >a lot less than 10 years ago. Maybe but only by a factor of 2 I would think. >Members practically never leave the commune.. This is true for their elderly who are in 24 hour intensive care, but total BS for the rest. >In the commune, no newspaper, no TV, no radio, no books are >allowed. Members are not allowed to talk to each other, Absolute and total LIES! Who on earth came up with these lies! >...not even during meals. Certainly they are ALLOWED to talk - I did when I ate there with no condemming looks from others. I wondered why the others didn't talk any more than they needed to and the main answer was that their meals are a time of communion with God. >Rule n°1 is they have the minimum contact possible with the >outside world. Methernita members don't care about the rest >of the world, they think apocalypse is near and only they >will be saved. Just total BS. >The estate is closely guarded. No journalist can come near >without being physically assaulted. No visitor can wander >inside unaccompanied. More lies. I got the bus to their "commune" which is almost indiscernable from the other farmhouses in the area. I just wandered in the direction of a farm house that the bus driver indicated and eventually found someone who could speak English. They were the nicest people I could imagine although communication was a bit difficult since I only speak English. They fed me and gave me a beautiful room for a couple of nights absolutly free. I could wander around as I pleased although obviously they kept their various buildings locked when they were not in use and at night. I was treated quite royally and had one of their more important members devoting probably a full day of his time showing me around many of the different projects they are involved in and many of the ways that they manage the logistics of such a large community. I could ask as many questions as I liked about anything whatsoever including the Testatika. But I was not allowed to talk to any of the members involved in the technical development, and the fellow I talked to was not particularly technically minded so couldn't answer my questions very satisfactorily. >Paul Baumann is now aged 80 >and sect specialists are fearing that, when he dies, the sect >might commit mass suicide. Yes, Methernita is considered THAT >wacko ! Absolute, total and utter crap and lies. Those French people that put that report together should be sued. I can't imagine it would be possible to come up with a more incorrect and biased "documentary" if it has left you with that impression. I guess that is what some parts of the media are about though - selling a story no matter how many lies have to go into it to make it tasty, or to make it suit their ends. >As for the Testatika, seems it's been years since any one has >been allowed to see it closely, let alone test it. That sounds right at least. >I would be >interested to read any informed evidence from engineers or >scientists who allegedly tested the device 10 years ago. So >far I found nothing. Well I found plenty. You can't have looked very far. >Testatika, IMHO, seems to be a scam or a "rural legend"... I'm sure the Methernitha people hope that most people (particularly the type that would present the picture you have presented) will continue to think that. If the "world" as Methernitha sees it are full of the kind of people that would publish and propagate such lies, then who can blame them for keeping their magic to themselves. May they continue to do so and succeed as far as I am concerned. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 03:50:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04446; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:50:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:50:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120195020.00778050@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:50:20 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss In-Reply-To: <34C47C80.112C@t-online.de> References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MKXsd3.0.I51.I-8nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: >> >While speaking to Dr. Ernst Senkowski, one of the stalwarts of >Euro-research into EVP, I asked him if he knew any inventors of FE >devices or witnesses who actually saw demonstrations. Senkowski gave me >the phone number of a Swiss engineer who was very open-minded and >friendly - I forgot his name, but anyway ... this guy told me that he >had stayed with Methernita for three days to see Testatika at work. >While he was humouring them, his criticism wasn't really harsh - >religious nuts, yes, but fundie fanatics, no. >He was really pissed that they would not let him have his smoke. He had better get used to it, the rest of the world is going that way at least as far as public buildings are concerned! >Re: Testatika he said "Look, they >don't really let you see a thing" - meaning he was never allowed to be >close enough to detect a fraud. In his opinion, the demos were not very >convincing. Summing it up, he said that there was very probably nothing >to it and when I suggested that Testatika was mainly a vehicle for >attracting new members from esoteric circles, he agreed... I guarantee that you were both utterly wrong in this. If Methernitha thought that their FE energy research was a persons main attraction, there is NO WAY they would have let the person join or work in that area. They would never dream of "trying to attract" anyone for any reason other than the spiritual aspects. Their FE efforts are considered by them as negligible in importance compared with their spiritual aims. If their spirituality was a little more commonplace on this planet there would be almost no problems and certainly no *need* for FE. >Once again, I wonder if it was really Methernita who tried to bring >Steve Harris to Europe? Who is Steve Harris? >I mean, they successfully persaded Stefan Marinov to join their cult, There is NO WAY that they would have tried to *persuade* him to join. He must have wanted to very much and been in close agreement with their principles to have done so. He was only an associate member of course - he did not live there for a long period of time. >...and while I've never met Stefan, I must say >that his actions clearly show that he was a bright thinker, but also a >lost individual who very often believed in others' claims only to find >out later that there was nothing to it. Stefan's quasi-testimony on >Testatika might have been based on this initial "strategy" of >make-believe rather than actual investigation or information. I think the fact that Stefan was allowed to play with a couple of small Testatika's such that he was utterly convinced that "perpetual motion" was possible is one thing that made him the very different person that he was from almost every other scientist. After all he KNEW that a lot of modern physics must be wrong because he had held the proof in his hands and felt the strength of the pull with his fingers. He was quite ready to believe others claims of perpetual motion because he KNEW that it was possible. He spent the rest of his life trying to crack the self-consistent structure of physics that we now have, KNOWING all the time that the crack exists - he just had to find it. >...Perhaps we should wait until Nelson Camus publishes his plan >of the Testatika on Jean-Louis Naudin's website...if it happens. Who is Nelson Camus? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 04:31:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06861; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:31:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:31:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801201230.NAA23820@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:24:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss (Methernitha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id EAA06841 Resent-Message-ID: <"cmlEa.0.6h1.ia9nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Absolute, total and utter crap and lies. Those French people >that put that report together should be sued. I can't >imagine it would be possible to come up with a more incorrect >and biased "documentary" if it has left you with that >impression I agree with jwinther. It is an amazing set of lies that here is being repeated about Methernitha. My experience with Methernitha agrees with that of jwinther. It is a pleasure to read jwinther in a level headed manner explain about his experience of Methernitha, and how it differs from the picture painted by some others... Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 05:10:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14259; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:10:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:10:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:43:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank C. Earl" X-Sender: fearl@localhost To: Free Energy List Subject: Testatika... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kmzWQ1.0.iU3.o8Anq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I've been seeing mention of plans being available for sale of the Testatika, including the "secret" behind the device and how to make it work. This has been at several sites on the 'net recently and I've been thinking that they are a rip-off- these sites also offer John Bedini's plans (the very same ones he offers on his own WWW site!) for a similar price of about $20. Now we hear of a rumor that someone outside Methernitha has the secrets behind the Testatika and that Jean-Louis will be the recipient of the information and that it'll be put up on his WWW site. So, what is going on here? Frank Earl- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 06:35:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA30502; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:35:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:35:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199801201435.PAA13470@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:25:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Testatika... MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, fearl@airmail.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id GAA30481 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rveva2.0.VS7.yOBnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Now we hear of a rumor that someone outside Methernitha has the secrets >behind the Testatika and that Jean-Louis will be the recipient of the >information and that it'll be put up on his WWW site. >So, what is going on here? I assume you refer to this piece of text from an earlier message: >Perhaps we should wait until Nelson Camus publishes his plan of the >Testatika on Jean-Louis Naudin's website...if it happens. Some of the people who have seen the Testatika have made drawings of the machine, from memory and from photographs. We therefore have a number of plans for the machine. But a plan in itself is rather useless. An understanding of the machine is also required for someone to reproduce the machine. Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 06:52:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26488; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:52:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:52:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C4E322.5F7D@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:47:14 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Methernita, was Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-__Y3.0.gT6.NeBnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Hi Folks! > Possibly Wolfram Baumann, Stefan Hartman, Juergen or even Jean Naudin > might have any useful info on the Testatika? I have a copy of the video > they produced, its about 30 minutes and in German which we have > transcribed to English...it shows what 'appears to be' a very pleasant > and organized community, showing Baumann and the machine in operation. > The pictures and short video clips I've seen, most posted by Stefan H. > were from that video. It all seems so pleasant and laid back. > > I wonder what happens to cause the cult mentality and paranoia to arise > with groups and communes like this? Strange how thinking people can be > swayed by one or more warped minds to follow a cult. Even on the Inet. It seems that the cult mentality and paranoia are on the internet side of this equation. You describe the video as showing a pleasent and laid back community, and people who have actually visited there have described their experiances. Yet you prefer to beleive that its a matter of cults and warped minds? What about people direct, personal experiances which do not support the paranoid cult image? Why do some people prefer to beleive the uglier picture over direct facts and personal experiances? A psychologist described this type of behavior as an attempt to shift the blame for being unable to achive a desired goal onto some external entity. In this case, maybe some are shifting the blame for not having developed O/U technology themselves onto a group which may possess that technology? I think she described this as 'transference', but I'm unsure of the exact term. Maybe its not so strange that thinking people can be swayed into cult-like behaviors. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 07:38:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05748; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:38:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:26:10 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Interferometry Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"okY5x3.0.iP1.tJCnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-19 18:27:49 EST, you write: << I know of no 'directional' translator, and I do not beleive that this is possible. How can a scalar, lacking direction by definition, be directional? >> I'll be the first to admit I do not really understand the scaler waves you are discussing, but ordinary sound waves are in some sense scaler (a magnitude, pressure, at all points), and they are in general directional. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 10:03:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07726; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:01:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:01:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C4DAB2.497BE5FC@midusa.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:11:14 -0600 From: Jon Flickinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Testatika... References: <199801201435.PAA13470@sdn5.csc.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a6vGr1.0.Qu1.4QEnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I3683 wrote: [snip] > Some of the people who have seen the Testatika have made drawings of the > machine, from memory and from photographs. We therefore have a number of plans > for the machine. But a plan in itself is rather useless. An understanding of the > machine is also required for someone to reproduce the machine. > > Regards, Anders Hi All, I agree with Anders that an understanding of the Testatika is needed for reproduction. Perhaps answers may come by analyzing a simple electrostatic experiment. Take two similar size flat plates of a conductive material such as brass, aluminum, steel, etc and arrange the plates parallel to one another to form a capacitor. Set the spacing at a minimal distance but great enough to allow a thin (.5-1mm) polycarbonate plastic or equivalent to be slid in and out from between the plates. Now connect a scope ground to one plate and a 10 Meg probe thru a normally open pushbutton switch to the other plate. Now statically charge the polycarb "dielectric" by rubbing on shirt, pants, etc, and slide it in between the plates. While observing scope, press the pushbutton only once, then remove charged dielectric and press again only once. Repeat this cycle of inserting and removing the dielectric with switch presses until you can sync to the discharge pulses on scope. Note that the pulse polarity is opposite from inserted to removed dielectric and is dependent on the surface ionization of the dielectric. These pulses of energy, although puny at this point, can be extracted from this arrangement as long as the dielectric remains polarized. Now if we were to scale this up into a circular device with rotating segmented polarized dielectrics and segmented stationary plates or the reverse, or other similar combinations, the question would be, is the device capable of OU? Forgive me if this all seems elementary but that's my nature-I start slow and taper off. jf From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 11:17:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23797; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:17:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:17:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C4CBA6.25F5@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:07:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> <3.0.1.32.19980120195020.00778050@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"zxN62.0.ip5.gWFnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Winterflood wrote: > > I guarantee that you were both utterly wrong in this. If Methernitha > thought that their FE energy research was a persons main attraction, > there is NO WAY they would have let the person join or work in that > area. They would never dream of "trying to attract" anyone for any > reason other than the spiritual aspects. Their FE efforts are > considered by them as negligible in importance compared with > their spiritual aims. If their spirituality was a little more > commonplace on this planet there would be almost no problems and > certainly no *need* for FE. Pardon me, John - we are talking of spirituality for its own sake here? This bunch is obviously unwilling to save the world by offering us the Testatika. "Only the chosen ones are privileged to blahblah" - if this isn't the makings of a cult, would you please tell me what is? > > >Once again, I wonder if it was really Methernita who tried to bring > >Steve Harris to Europe? > > Who is Steve Harris? Well, I meant "Pat" Harris, the inventor of the illfated TOMI device, the granddaddy of the SMOT. I remember a freenrg digest I grabbed from Jerry's site in mid-96, where Harris mentioned that he was approached by a Swiss Group who wanted him to make the long swim: Answering a mail from 3-OCT-1995 10:31:35.6 > A recent group from Switzerland wanted > me to come to Switzerland, and I would love to, but my passport > is subject to conservatorship approval and I cannot sell or give > anything away without approval. Answering a mail from 5-OCT-1995 01:58:12.3 > The Swiss visitors who visited me in June feel > that Switzerland would grant a patent. There's probably more of this, I don't know. I faintly remember that Harris also mentioned this was a religious group with a worldview he could perfectly agree with. > > >...Perhaps we should wait until Nelson Camus publishes his plan > >of the Testatika on Jean-Louis Naudin's website...if it happens. > > Who is Nelson Camus? LA-based inventor of the Hupp (Home Urine Power Plant) and Cold Fusion Reactor. -- _________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 11:50:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29966; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:34 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Message-ID: <19980120.144211.7574.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11,15-17 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"d1ATV3.0.4K7.1_Fnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:14:58 -0600 (CST) "Frank C. Earl" writes: > >>Because they think that giving it away will contribute to the evils of >the >world because it'll make it that much easier to contribute to the >strife >the world is experiencing today. > >Frank Earl- > Ironic...though many of the wars being fought today are civil wars (and thus such as device would not contribute much as a weapon, but would certainly help those civilians cutoff from supplies), it would lessen the demand for fossile fuels that drove the Iran/Iraq and Gulf wars. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 11:50:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00102; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:36 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:44:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Message-ID: <19980120.144211.7574.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <4abda7f4.34c3d84c@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,10-11,15-16,18-22 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"1FLMj3.0.dK7.A_Fnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:22:46 -0800 Bob Shannon writes: >If you want something so bad you would steel it, why not just work for >it and earn it? Anything less seems like cheating to me. > > I made another point about the logic of protecting us from misapplications of their technology. Not a judgement...just my two cents on the logic itself. However, Bob make a good point and I shall expand. The bottom line is eighter they have a free energy device or they do not. If not, we are wasting alot of BW on woundring why the have not shared the technology with the rest of us heathens. If they have done so, lets not complain. It means that it is *possible*, so all we need to do is get off our butts and figure it out ourselves. We may be getting close. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 11:50:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12188; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:22 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:44:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Scalar Interferometry Message-ID: <19980120.144211.7574.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-12,17-18,20-21,25-26,31-32,37-42 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"FmR5V.0.A-2.0_Fnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:26:10 EST K easy writes: >In a message dated 98-01-19 18:27:49 EST, you write: > >> I know of no 'directional' translator, and I do not beleive that this >>is possible, How can a scalar, lacking direction by definition, be >> directional?.... >, but ordinary sound waves are in some sense scaler (a >magnitude, pressure, at all points), and they are in general directional. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > I will be among the first to admit that I don't fully understand scalars, however I need to point out that the defination is still somewhat broad. For example, many of us use the broad term "scalar" for the entire category of non-Herzian waves, ie., longitudional waves that Tesla experimented with. Another example, a soliton-based wave would be present in a certain location and not in another, and can move to a third location. I also consider gravity to fall in this category. It seems to be related to what we are creating in our scalar translators. Look at the tie in with T. Brown and capacitor-based "gravity" wave detectors (with double as scalar detectors). Keep in mind that a pair of photons under proper conditions create electron-positron pairs. The RF we work with is related to photon of light, only lower in frequency. It really doesn't seem unreasonable that a properly designed translator with the "correct frequency" could coax virtual particles (electrons and positrons) into an obserable state. One last thing popped into my mind. I read that the interaction of photons to create electrons-positron pairs occur in the proximity of the nuculi of massive atoms....may explain why Moray and others used radioactive elements...not so much because they were radioactive but that was simply a side effect of the mass required. Look at the direction this discussion went! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 12:25:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07086; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:24:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:24:54 -0800 (PST) From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:17:39 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: fearl@airmail.net, i3683@csc.dk, Adolf.Schneider@ascom.ch, fepps@halcyon.com, Jonfli@midusa.net, lentin@imaginet.fr, WBahmann@compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Testatika... Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id MAA07045 Resent-Message-ID: <"uIz6I.0.ak1.HWGnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 20/01/1998 15:11:22 , fearl@airmail.net a wrote: << Now we hear of a rumor that someone outside Methernitha has the secrets behind the Testatika and that Jean-Louis will be the recipient of the information and that it'll be put up on his WWW site. >> NOTHING interesting and usefull about the Testatika diagram that I have received yet and which worth to be published in my web site. :-( This device use a kind of PCM ( Pulse Current Multiplier ) for converting EHV ( Electrostatic High Voltage ) to Low voltages/High current. The PCM device uses some Radium doped capacitors with a radioactive dielectric ( like the Bruce Perreault valve ) connected in parallel with some step down transformers....The small vaccum energy fluctuations produced in the dielectric by the radioactive material between the plates ( Thanks to Casimir (...?) ) of these capacitors create an induced voltage in the stepdown transformer connected in parallel. The EHV from the Wimshurst machine is used only for creating the initial E-potential ( like the Moray radiant energy converter...). The main mechanical design is a kind of enhanced Wimshurst machine that we can find in all common freeNRG books ( Borderland, Childress, Tesla Book...). The loopback can be closed because some DC current produced by this machine is used for powering the rotating magnetic motor hidden in the main design..... You may find find the latest Testatika diagram from Nelson Camus in the "NET- JOURNAL" No 2/12 ( December 97) and also the complete feedback about the TransAltec Conference ( on 6 dec 97) in Zuerich with some pictures and comments about some demonstrations that I have done during this meeting... You will find a VERY interesting document about the functionning of the PCM device and how this solid state device can be used for converting EHV into LVHC (Low voltages/High Current) in the "INFINITE ENERGY MAGAZINE" VOL 2 No 8 page 25-27. If you are interested to explore this domain, I recommand you to see the patent below : 4897592 : Electrostat ------------------------------------------------------------- -- INVENTORS: Hyde; William W., Idaho Falls, ID 83402 ISSUED: Jan. 30, 1990 FILED: Jun. 27, 1988 ABSTRACT:   Externally charged electrodes of an electrostatic generator induce charges of opposite polarity on segments of a pair of confronting stators by means of electric fields within which a pair of rotors are confined during rotation to vary the charge binding field linkages between confronting rotors and stators by a shielding action of the rotors in a plane perpendicular to the field flux. A high electric potential difference induced between the stators resulting from such rotation of the rotors, is transformed by an output circuit into a reduced DC voltage applied to a load with a correspondingly increase current conducted therethrough. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Direct WEB link at :http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=4897592 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This patent contains the main principles for tapping ZPE by using a kind of Electrostatic machine and also explain how to convert EVH to LVHC.... Nothing Weird or Magic......This is only Advanced Physics... :-) I hope that these informations will interest you, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin 01/20/98 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 12:35:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08946; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:35:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:35:05 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:02:20 -0500 Subject: Re: UpDate 13th Jan, 1998 Message-ID: <19980120.152754.7574.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <34BB0238.B660C569@microtronics.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"-gASN2.0.gB2.rfGnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:27:12 +1030 Greg Watson writes: >PS: Suggest you review Hal Puthoff's work on ZPF, Inertia & the >Casimir effect. ZPF & domain alignment tie in. > > Anyone have a reference of this article? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 12:36:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09262; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:26:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Scalar Interferometry Message-ID: <19980120.152755.7574.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <19980116.181347.2303.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <19980118.214033.12151.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <34C40AC9.23BF@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-17,19-21,26-27,30-31,35-36,38-39,42-43,46-47,49-54 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"KhjTN3.0.dG2.mgGnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:24:09 -0800 Bob Shannon writes: I wrote: >> The second is: what real application would one have for this >particular technology. >> Beside weapons and wireless transmission of power (wires are fine >for me >> right now). > >Such an interferometer would have countless applications. > >As a sensor, it could be used to study scalar and EM wave and field >structures, collecting very low level signals from distant sources, or >detecting signal and objects in cases where EM is not practical (due >to range, propogation speed, shielding, interference, etc). > >As an effector, Interferometery could be used in communications >systems, high energy research, materials science and fabrication, etc. Who >knows where the practical limits may fall? > I must admit that I asked that question before I thought it out. I work in the two-way radio business, maintaining a point-to-point microwave microwave system for the State of Virginia, and such a communications system would be a real benefit to all. No interference, path fades, iceing problems, remote sites, etc. Not to mention its use as a receiver (worked on a military radar receiver that used short-baseline interferometry. determined direction by phase angles generated by angle EM struck antenna array). Here is my guess how to make one: Drive one scalar translator with your prefered signal source (pulses or RF). Drive a second translator with same generator fed through a varable delay line. Right track or left field? Looks like the pattern would end looking like a series of interference zones, that you could shift around by adjusting your timing. If correct, then those scalar translators could be the "local oscillators" for the superhet scalar detector that was discussed a few weeks ago. BTW, I liked the answer you gave on impressing scalar EM on RFusing a trifilar translator. Was wondering what a trifilar translator would be used for. (I had posted about that earlier but It got lost...seems like about 10% don't make it back to me). Thanks for the info so far! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 12:45:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27178; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:45:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:45:23 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <91d8a47.34c506bc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:19:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Help me make it not work! Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_885327546_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"v9tPM.0.Te6.VpGnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_885327546_boundary Content-ID: <0_885327546@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I come up with ideas and then research them to find out if they do work as I see them working in theory. So far, all have proved to not work the way I saw them working. They were not overunity devices after all. I learned a lot from these incorrect ideas. The problem I have now is I can't disprove my latest theory. See if you can! My tests in the shop show positive results. Have I built an overunity device? Here is the basic layout and a description of it's operation in theory. THEORY OF OPERATION The device pictured in the drawing attached, butch65.gif works on this principle. 1. The wire in the coil is not copper. It is a material that is will become magnetized when exposed to a magnetic field. Ferrite, steel, and other materials are being tested. Finding an insulated wire made up of these materials is not possible in a "magnet wire" type construction. So testing is slow. The reason for using this type wire is to have the wire act as a ferrite type material and induction coil. Electrical energy that is lost due to wire resistance would show up in the form of heat, ect. 2. Maybe the best shape for the wire would be a wide, thin, flat form. The wire in this drawing is wrapped as you would see electrical tape on it's spool. 3. As the two coils move toward each other, the flux moves in toward the center and a voltage/current is induced that aids in the attraction of the two coils. 4. The work to remove the two coils apart, is less that the work done by the system pulling the two coils together. 5. The permanent magnet decreases in heigth in the drawing as the magnets move toward each other. This is shown this way to keep the drawing simple to view. 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(from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02632; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:22:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:22:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34C55BB0.112B@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:21:36 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss References: <199801200851.JAA07231@imaginet.fr> <34C48E30.4336@keelynet.com> <3.0.1.32.19980120195020.00778050@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <34C4CBA6.25F5@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AhknX1.0._e.j6Jnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Juergen Heinzerling wrote: > Pardon me, John - we are talking of spirituality for its own sake here? > This bunch is obviously unwilling to save the world by offering us the > Testatika. "Only the chosen ones are privileged to blahblah" - if this > isn't the makings of a cult, would you please tell me what is? The makings of a cult might be illustrated by assuming that some group is unwilling to save the world by not giving away a device you do not understand. Not knowing its operational principles, we cannot have an informed opinion on what effects its release would have. The term 'cult' has a fairly clear definition, but the group in question does not appear to meet this definition according to peoples direct experiances. It may if you disregard the direct experiances, and beleive the media reports however. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 17:50:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04220; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:50:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:50:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:06:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re : Testatika... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"taYDP3.0.p11.cHLnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > NOTHING interesting and usefull about the Testatika diagram that I have > received yet and which worth to be published in my web site. :-( Story of my life, Jean-Louis. However, I *am* glad to hear it from the horse's mouth as it were. > This device use a kind of PCM ( Pulse Current Multiplier ) for converting EHV > ( Electrostatic High Voltage ) to Low voltages/High current. Hm. Not familiar with this sort of device. > The PCM device uses some Radium doped capacitors with a radioactive dielectric > ( like the Bruce Perreault valve ) connected in parallel with some step down > transformers....The small vaccum energy fluctuations produced in the > dielectric by the radioactive material between the plates ( Thanks to Casimir > (...?) ) of these capacitors create an induced voltage in the stepdown > transformer connected in parallel. The EHV from the Wimshurst machine is used > only for creating the initial E-potential ( like the Moray radiant energy > converter...). Interesting. So it's something akin to Perrault's device that he's been selling the research sheets on. Man, I wish I had access to that information freely- I've been having a few problems parting with the $25 that he's asking for (Budgets amongst other things- got a family to support.) > The main mechanical design is a kind of enhanced Wimshurst machine that we can > find in all common freeNRG books ( Borderland, Childress, Tesla Book...). The > loopback can be closed because some DC current produced by this machine is > used for powering the rotating magnetic motor hidden in the main design..... Which is cool. (Now I'm wondering how they hid it.) > You may find find the latest Testatika diagram from Nelson Camus in the "NET- > JOURNAL" No 2/12 ( December 97) and also the complete feedback about the > TransAltec Conference ( on 6 dec 97) in Zuerich with some pictures and > comments about some demonstrations that I have done during this meeting... Are these on the WWW? I don't have access to them otherwise as I don't know how to obtain them. > You will find a VERY interesting document about the functionning of the PCM > device and how this solid state device can be used for converting EHV into > LVHC (Low voltages/High Current) in the "INFINITE ENERGY MAGAZINE" VOL 2 No 8 > page 25-27. I'll keep that in mind. I don't have any of the issues of IEM. > This patent contains the main principles for tapping ZPE by using a kind of > Electrostatic machine and also explain how to convert EVH to LVHC.... Really? So the Hyde patent may be of some help in explaining the Testatika? > Nothing Weird or Magic......This is only Advanced Physics... :-) Which is why I'm very facinated with the pursuit of ZPE/OU devices, I know there's a crack in the "laws" we've set for ourselves and I want to be in on finding it! ;-> > I hope that these informations will interest you, Definitely. It may have pointed me and several others in maybe the right direction with this. Thanks! -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 18:29:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09928; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:29:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:29:22 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:27:52 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: email from smithsonian about tesla Resent-Message-ID: <"VZ2ia.0._Q2.-rLnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: So, a while back I sent some email to the Smithsonian concerning their lack of good information about Tesla. (There is a grade school teacher in the midwest with a web site that encourages this.) Finally, I got a reply from Barney Finn, curator of the "Electrical Collections." Most of it was the text of a letter sent to Wayne Green. If you're interested, the file is at http://www.shore.net/~rmuha/physics/tesla-si.txt r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 18:39:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11675; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:39:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:39:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:01:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Magnetically distorting Space-Time Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"Mx-M-3.0.Ds2.6_Lnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I came across an article detailing some research on magnetically warping space. > Its quite interesting and startling at the same time. I read Carl Sagan's book > "Contact", where a signal is recieved b [The rest snipped...] > Comments? Questions? Um, could you resend this to the list, wordwrapping about every 72th character? Not all of us use Netscape and our mail programs get corrupted 1 liners for messages when you don't. (Note: The RFC governing email specifies a line length of I 72 or something like that- Netscape's bad about not wrapping it for you, assuming that there's a Netscape or Exchange user on the other end that can properly decipher the message(Which is in violation of the standard...). Thanks! -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 18:39:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17274; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:39:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:39:23 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:27:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ang.: Testatika... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"ypBNY.0.fD4.O_Lnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >Now we hear of a rumor that someone outside Methernitha has the secrets > >Perhaps we should wait until Nelson Camus publishes his plan of the > >Testatika on Jean-Louis Naudin's website...if it happens. Yes. That is what I was referring to. > Some of the people who have seen the Testatika have made drawings of the > machine, from memory and from photographs. We therefore have a number of plans > for the machine. But a plan in itself is rather useless. An understanding of the > machine is also required for someone to reproduce the machine. Yeah, I've seen the plan set that was on Ramos' site. Problem with it is that it's a low res image (72 dpi scan) from what I can tell or an enlargement of a 300 dpi scan. Whatever the case, it's hard to make out the drawing- so little can be ascertained from it. Question is, will the set from Nelson Camus be any clearer or more accurate? As for an understanding, well, we're not even going to come close to that unless we've got something to tinker with- for that, we need plans of some sort. If it for-real works, then we can start analyizing the design as it stands and see if we can obtain some understanding of its working. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 22:05:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29249; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:05:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:05:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34C5AB5C.296@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:01:32 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Nathan Stubblefield Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wc3kf2.0.r87.B0Pnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! This was from the KeelyNet-L mailing list in a discussion about tapping earth electricity; ----------------------------------------------------- Nathan Stubblefield back in the 1800's used 'earth batteries', large dissimilar metal plates separated by a 1/2 mile or more distance...these plates were buried in the ground facing each other and had an insuluated cable connecting each of the plates to one side of a load. The claim was that Stubblefield lit his entire farm at night, so that it was bright as day, using carbon arc lamps....these things took 1000s of watts to power...yet he got all his energy from the earth... An excellent book, written by Gerry Vassilatos and published by Borderlands ( http://www.borderlands.com ) called 'Lost Science' has a superb chapter on this and other 'lost inventors'....amazing book.. One of the neat things that Stubblefield found when talking to people who run lines for telegraph stations....the earth has pools of high energy and pools of low energy....in some telegraph stations, the same battery used to power the line had not been changed in 40 years or so....the reason being, that the earth currents were doing all the work. So they showed Stubblefield how to find these high and low energy areas. You put one plate in a high energy area, the other plate is buried in a low energy and the earth always tries to balance these two through the connecting wire (and load)...high energy areas tend to be at the base of hills and where ridges and valleys occur...the analogy was that electrical energy is much like water, it washes up against these path blockages and rolls back over onto itself, to create high energy zones....the Prentice patent says much the same.... Don Smith, down in Houston uses topographic maps where low altitude regions are shown as red, moving up the color scale to violet at the highest altitudes. So basically using such topo maps, you could find the best location to bury your plates...so for free power, buy land that has a high hill on it....... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 22:27:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16990; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:27:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:26:18 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re : Testatika... Resent-Message-ID: <"7KRjq.0.N94.yKPnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Louis - > The PCM device uses some Radium doped > capacitors with a radioactive dielectric ( > like the Bruce Perreault valve ) connected > in parallel with some step down > transformers....The small vaccum energy > fluctuations produced in the dielectric by > the radioactive material between the plates > ( Thanks to Casimir (...?) ) of these > capacitors create an induced voltage in the > stepdown transformer connected in > parallel. The EHV from the Wimshurst > machine is used only for creating the > initial E-potential ( like the Moray > radiant energy converter...). I've been looking lately at the voltage naturally produced in dielectrics. We have some volcanic rock here that seems very productive. Some of it has voltage that jumps around so much I haven't been able to get a steady measurement of it yet (we're only talking mV here, but it'll hop 10mV or more in a second). And seeing how easily the voltage appearing on these dielectrics can be influenced by external fields gave me the notion that it might be possible to enhance this activity by using HV fileds to coax it into producing higher current levels. Guess people have already been there, done that. I wonder if clays weathered from rock bearing radioactive minerals might be good for this purpose. I don't know if the local volcanic rocks are very radioactive, but something's sure going on in there, and it beats granite sample's activity by quite a bit. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 22:29:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01310; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:29:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:29:39 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:01:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Ang.: Testatika... Message-ID: <19980120.222942.12574.0.tv@juno.com> References: <199801201435.PAA13470@sdn5.csc.dk> <34C4DAB2.497BE5FC@midusa.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,11-12,14,16-22,24-87 Resent-Message-ID: <"W0xaS2.0.LK.INPnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John, I appreciate your thoughtful input on this idea. What you describe here is very similar to the way a Wimhurst generator works. Part of the Testatika machine appears to be a Wimhurst generator. The basic principle of a Wimhurst (and some other electrostatic generators) is that once a capacitor has been charged, the voltage on the capacitor can be increased by separating the plates of the capacitor. It takes work to pull the charged plates apart because they are attracted to each other. The work required to pull the plates apart is delivered as a higher voltage discharge from the capacitor. The problem that I see with your idea is that it will similarly require work to pull the dielectric from between the plates of the capacitor to complete the cycle you describe. Keep thinking though. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:11:14 -0600 Jon Flickinger writes: > > >I3683 wrote: > >[snip] > >> Some of the people who have seen the Testatika have made drawings of >the >> machine, from memory and from photographs. We therefore have a >number of plans >> for the machine. But a plan in itself is rather useless. An >understanding of the >> machine is also required for someone to reproduce the machine. >> >> Regards, Anders > >Hi All, > >I agree with Anders that an understanding of the Testatika is needed >for >reproduction. Perhaps answers may come by analyzing a simple >electrostatic >experiment. Take two similar size flat plates of a conductive >material such as >brass, aluminum, steel, etc and arrange the plates parallel to one >another to form a >capacitor. Set the spacing at a minimal distance but great enough to >allow a thin >(.5-1mm) polycarbonate plastic or equivalent to be slid in and out >from between the >plates. Now connect a scope ground to one plate and a 10 Meg probe >thru a normally >open pushbutton switch to the other plate. Now statically charge the >polycarb >"dielectric" by rubbing on shirt, pants, etc, and slide it in between >the plates. >While observing scope, press the pushbutton only once, then remove >charged >dielectric and press again only once. Repeat this cycle of inserting >and removing >the dielectric with switch presses until you can sync to the >discharge pulses on >scope. Note that the pulse polarity is opposite from inserted to >removed dielectric >and is dependent on the surface ionization of the dielectric. These >pulses of >energy, although puny at this point, can be extracted from this >arrangement as long >as the dielectric remains polarized. Now if we were to scale this up >into a circular >device with rotating segmented polarized dielectrics and segmented >stationary plates >or the reverse, or other similar combinations, the question would be, >is the device >capable of OU? Forgive me if this all seems elementary but that's my >nature-I start >slow and taper off. > >jf > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 23:14:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21680; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:14:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <9c1d0799.34c59c32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:56:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: fearl@airmail.net Subject: About the PCM... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"PaSuX1.0.fI5.G1Qnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 21/01/1998 05:22:59 , fearl@airmail.net wrote : << > This device use a kind of PCM ( Pulse Current Multiplier ) for converting EHV > ( Electrostatic High Voltage ) to Low voltages/High current. Hm. Not familiar with this sort of device. >> Hi Frank, You will find below some informations about the PCM : "The way to tap free energy potential is to use the voltage part not the current this may be done with one a more PCM (Pulse Current Multiplier ). The PCM device is a static device which have a very interesting propertie, PCM convert high voltage potential into usable current. This device is used in Hyde machine, Corea device, Bearden device, Tesla coil.... The PCM is based on the standard voltage division technique of charging a bank of capacitors in series, then discharging then in parallel. A ten stage PCM amplifies the current by factor of ten. Two such PCM's can be combined to create a multiplication factor of 100. The output from the first PCM is impressed accross the input of the second. Since the pulses entering the second PCM will not be as sharp, larger blocking inductances will require in it. The principle can be extended to third PCM in series to give a multiplication factor of 1000. Thus a sharp 40kV spike could be stepped down to a less steep 4KV pulse and then to a wider 400 volts pulse.... This kind of device may be used with electrostatic machine whimshurt, and Swiss ML converter.... The PCM can only absorb unipolar input pulse. If both positive and negative pulses are supplied, two PCM's can be combined to create a bipolar pulse current multiplier. The PCM can efficiency convert the voltage transient, allowing it to be rectified to DC. If sufficient output is generated, it can be fed back to drive the input. This could lead to an easily build, solid state, self-running device for the scientific community to replicate. It would demonstrate that it is possible to tap the zero point energy as an energy source........" Ref document : "INFINITE ENERGY MAGAZINE" VOL 2 No 8 page 25-27. I hope that this will help you to understand the main principle of this solid state device. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin 01/21/98 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 23:33:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08861; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:33:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:33:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:33:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801210733.XAA06721@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Help me make it not work! Resent-Message-ID: <"XxC3P.0.HA2.tIQnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch and all, At 03:19 PM 1/20/98 EST, you wrote: > The problem I have now is I can't disprove my latest theory. See if you can! >My tests in the shop show positive results. Have I built an overunity device? >Here is the basic layout and a description of it's operation in theory. >THEORY OF OPERATION > >The device pictured in the drawing attached, butch65.gif works on this >principle. >1. The wire in the coil is not copper. It is a material that is will become >magnetized when exposed to a magnetic field. Ferrite, steel, and other >materials are being tested. Finding an insulated wire made up of these >materials is not possible in a "magnet wire" type construction. >So testing is slow. The reason for using this type wire is to have the wire >act >as a ferrite type material and induction coil. Electrical energy that is lost >due >to wire resistance would show up in the form of heat, ect. >2. Maybe the best shape for the wire would be a wide, thin, flat form. The >wire in this drawing is wrapped as you would see electrical tape on it's >spool. >3. As the two coils move toward each other, the flux moves in toward the >center and a voltage/current is induced that aids in the attraction of the two >coils. Are the 2 coils shorted so current can flow? Doesn't Lentz' law say that the current buildup during the toward motion will oppose the flux build up? And the current will oppose the collapse when the coils are moved apart? So more work will be used to remove the coils, turned into heat. >4. The work to remove the two coils apart, is less that the work done by the >system pulling the two coils together. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 20 23:41:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09820; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:40:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: <34C59F29.31A9@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:09:30 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: USA-TESLA@list.iex.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GIFT FROM FARTER CHRISTMAS References: <3.0.16.19980119111700.35ef567a@condor.bcm.tmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-IJO_3.0.JP2.5QQnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: James P Moore wrote: > > s > > All very interesting, but the attachment Rramme.bmp did not show > and detail, and the words of the caption explanation were not > readable, so could you send a higher resolution bmp of this > diagram to me, please. jmoore@condor.bcm.tmc.edu > > The other attached jpg is quite nice, however, I am still a bit > unclear on the concept, as related to your explanation. Is this > supposed to be a perpetual motion design, or do you propose to > receive excess output from this design. Just wondering, and my > mind is open to all possibilities, for sure! > > Thanks...... > > JPM > > "Things should be as simple as possible, but no simpler" > > -Uncle Albert- Yes ok I'll have a boozier go, I can't get better resolution the BMP was sent in mistake of jpeg when a ferrite moves closer to a magnet, flux increases ,this is the flow of momentum in a unsteady state when the flux is increasing you can direct it to one of 2 return paths by shorting out a set of coils, now as the ferrite ,de bone, the cross ,the hilt, moves say up the flux wings move in AC coil moves out a little but is still sucking momentum, flux wing on bottom moves up from below lower magnets and will create a shorter path for lower magnet flux to cross over IF the arm coils short at this time,you get a flux going through the de bone coil from the top magnets and an opposite flow through wings and one outside face of the coil this reinforces current generation and means that the bottom magnets are also being sucked to a rising flow, also headcoils and legcoils have output a this time, Ok debone gets to the top, but canna hit the magnets because it can not. Now lets look at the other end of the rocker past the pivot the 2 mercury switches ,only one is ever open which in this case flow through diodes [cap maybe] to the bottom reinforcing coil on a magnet the same strength as one of the 4 on the face ,2 in oppression, and yet in balance or close to it you can see it will only take a feather to keep the magnets pumping and yet the magnets output is heavyweight. Ok there's a few was to feed in the reinforcing pulse in the expanding field at the opposite array in the centre magnet or as I have tired to explain its also very easy to get power out of the opposite repelling magnet as that field is also being pumped you have 6 coil outputs and 1/2 coil or less input there not your every day coils either but still easy enough to build. Right lets head back to the face and a falling flux remember you can divert flux so long as its rising or falling perhaps its possible to dedicate the arm coils for negative current and resting the DC coil for 1/4 cycle , ok the flow only goes one way through DC coils when we switch out arms at neutral point AC coil has reverse polarity and on we go the thing is what do you want to use AC or DC we need to be able to switch from one to the other with an adjust strength pulse fets for switching arms head an legs with a 555 timer or two in there some were maybe a cap here or in hear are heir owww hare neyt ... hair thats better -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electric Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 00:21:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16331; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:21:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:21:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:21:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801210821.JAA11967@imaginet.fr> X-Sender: lentin@mail.imaginet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: Methernita (was : Icestorms & power loss) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ndyd11.0.z-3.y_Qnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John & all John Winterflood wrote : > Those French people > that put that report together should be sued. I can't > imagine it would be possible to come up with a more incorrect > and biased "documentary" if it has left you with that > impression. I guess that is what some parts of the media are > about though - selling a story no matter how many lies have to > go into it to make it tasty, or to make it suit their ends. Well, Methernita did not sue... To me, the documentary seemed like a well researched piece, made by a well-known senior French journalist (Marcel Trillat) and a Swiss journalist (Sylvia Freda) who has investigated Methernita for years. There was several testimonials of former members - maybe the discrepancy comes from here? From John's account of his recent visite, it seems rules in the commune are more relaxed today. The TV crew were refused any interview or right to visit Methernita (the refusal phone-call is recorded and shown on the film), and when the crew comes near the commune (but still on public roads) to film the buildings from outside, they are physically assaulted by a security guy, then another...(this is also shown on film). Of course, with friendly FE/oriented visitors like John or Anders, the attitude is different... I don't think there were any "lies" or "BS" in this film. Maybe some exaggeration - a definite "anti-sect" slant (with families despairing about being cut of from their children, etc...). Well, as usual, the truth must be somewhere in the middle... Regards to all --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 02:19:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29624; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:19:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:19:16 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980121112351.2fc7c3da@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:23:51 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Re: SMOT & Greg Watson & Output, Hargraves Resent-Message-ID: <"84jvL2.0.lE7.YkSnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: One party wrote: >> has anyone thought about getting real work out of a smot. >>A little >>thought will reveal how to do it... I leave this as an exercise for >>the reader. (Hint: an object moving through a magnet field generates >>a current and voltage). At one point in time in {(e-mail conversations) between Gregg watson and another party} I suggested that the ball be run through a coil as the steel ball bearing would cause magnetic flux distortions or Magnetic flux movments. Thus effecting any conductor or coil with in its inflance or with in its realm. Or even a single wire laid along the track could give an (out put), when the ball is in motion.. HHowever> I agree with your line of thought. Why waste energy moving the MAGNETS Why waste energy moving the CONDUCTERS Use the energy to move the MAGNETIC FLUX As the Magnetic Flux has less weight!!!!! Randy Hargraves Yukon, Oklahoma, USA If any one e-mails me Put ( Hargraves ) in the Subject or I will probably not get to read the e-mail. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 02:35:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07330; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:35:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:35:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C5E938.8F5@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:25:28 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Sources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ofky71.0.Lo1.PzSnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! A recent addition to the files on Chinese magnets....very cheap...as well as US magnet sources & superconductor materials sources...check it; http://www.keelynet.com/index98.htm#unclass -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 06:03:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27115; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:03:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:03:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34C5FAE1.5545@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:40:49 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: USA-TESLA@list.iex.net Subject: PLAN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------47D9F185D58" Resent-Message-ID: <"UEJXn2.0.Xd6.V0Wnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. 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Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Go to the Keelynet or one of their mirror sites and look for the zpe files and one called casimir. I think these may be what you are looking for. If you cant find them let me know. CJT ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 08:58:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05628; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:58:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:58:43 -0800 Message-ID: <19980121165751.24391.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.11.79] From: "CJT Enterprises one" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Icestorms & Power Loss Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:57:47 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"OE1xq2.0.pN1.2bYnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Testatika: Does it really matter? Instead of going back and forth about are they a cult, does it work...let's go out and build our own. I am right now building my own based on the work of Brown, Searl, Hammel, DePalma, and Faraday. So far the results are looking very good. We are getting a tremendous amount of high frequency electricity. I have already blown out a radio with it, let several phosphorescent bulbs, (blew up one). Now my friend and I are building a device to channel this HFV into useable 60hz 120AC for use in a house. Once installed (around August or September of this Year...lack of funds and college bites) we will be producing our own electricity from the aether and selling it back to the electric company. (LOL there) Providing it works. But our theory is sound and the device is giving good results. And if it doesnt work. Well we all know that overunity is possible. Look at Pons and Flieshmann, the Patterson fuel cell, the permanent magnet motor on John Bedini's page, the hammel device (which I am now building using neodynium magnets and aluminum for the cones....it will be done around the end of may and will be up on my page then). We know it is possible so who cares if some group refuses to share their supposed invention with us. Instead of wasting the time on it let's go put that energy inot something more useful. Sorry if I seem harsh I just get tired of all of this. CJT ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 10:04:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25887; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:04:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:04:51 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:22:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re : Testatika... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"xWZPK1.0.IK6.0ZZnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > We have some volcanic rock here that seems very productive. Some of it has > voltage that jumps around so much I haven't been able to get a steady > measurement of it yet (we're only talking mV here, but it'll hop 10mV or > more in a second). 10 mV? That's quite a bit in actuality. Make a big capacitance value capacitor with the material- there'd be a massive difference there. Brilliant question, is the volcanic rock from the islands, and if so, which island? (or is it all over the place? ;-) > And seeing how easily the voltage appearing on these > dielectrics can be influenced by external fields gave me the notion that it > might be possible to enhance this activity by using HV fileds to coax it > into producing higher current levels. Guess people have already been there, > done that. Yeah, but why not play with it just the same. You might be barking up the right tree and not know it. > I wonder if clays weathered from rock bearing radioactive minerals might be > good for this purpose. I don't know if the local volcanic rocks are very > radioactive, but something's sure going on in there, and it beats granite > sample's activity by quite a bit. Might be the same as the volcanic rock. Now you've got me wanting to get some samples and batteries to fire up my geiger counter and see if the rocks are mildly hot... ;-> -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 13:59:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17161; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C68AA1.6F41@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:54:09 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Testatika Observations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tQ8FI.0.xB4.X-cnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Terry Bastian posted this list of claims/observations he has compiled on the Testatika...pieces of the puzzle....Terry can be contacted at tbastian@dmv.com. ------------------------------ After some research on electrostatic machines and the earths field Ive come up with some ideas for a M-L machine..... Any inputs, additions or anything that I might of overlooked to get a machine functional...... Some of the listing may seem familiar due to the fact that I heard them from other sources..... Some of my notes of a possible working TESTATIKA (SWISS ML) MACHINE Each sector is an accumulator of the earths electric field charging over a longer period of time than the discharge time into the collector(magnatron) The charge time is dependent upon the most efficent rate the earth's field can support without loading it down or shorting it to ground (impedance match) Earth's electrostatic impedance can be possibily determined by the voltage gradient and the resistance of the atmosphere within the gradient and the overall current flow (Ohm's Law) The central corona motor can be excited by a pulsing high voltage potential at a frequency that would match the rotatonal mechanical resonance of the collector disks to promote sustained rotation with minimum effort once set in motion Using the so-called 'Poggendorf Effect' is intriguing, using slanted electrodes to provide a driving force to the disks when the electrodes discharged in rapid bursts.....possibly making it self-running Use self contained magnetic bearings and enclose system within a airtight case with a reduced pressure of air or helium (reduce drag and decrease arcing) Use high dielectric factor materials for the dual counter rotating sector disks to promote higher capcitance and electrostatic fields per sector accumulator The horseshoe shaped coils are part of a frequency generating stabilization system (to maintain a mechanical and electrical resonance), the inductance fields generated are kept to a minimum (similar to torroid) or perhaps the fields become more directive and controllable from the open end The sector charge transfer is done thru non contact mainly a series of rough (textured)needles on the sectors and collectors that pass by one another thru the small spaces between the needles to transfer the charge (meshing no friction, like 2 hair combs passing each other thru the spacing between teeth) Each grid sector is made of a lightweight screen not solid material or is perhaps electricaly/chemicaly plated to the sector disk (lightweight) Output power is directly related to the size of the rotor disks and sectors, also speed of disc rotation Coating of some of the collectors with a alpha particle substance to enhance the "electron grounding/polarising" effect, perhaps to allow more of the atmospheric energy to be drawn for output power ---------------------------------------- And I agree with Chris, the arguing about cult status or not is irrelevant and has no future....let's stick with details (as much as is available) and productive discussions that will lead to experiments....Jerry -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 15:06:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15588; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:06:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:06:16 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD268E.9FA76080@pm3-126.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Magnetically distorting Space-Time Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:04:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD268E.9FB08840" Resent-Message-ID: <"lVqv42.0.so3.Xzdnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD268E.9FB08840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Frank C. Earl [SMTP:fearl@airmail.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 6:01 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetically distorting Space-Time > Um, could you resend this to the list, wordwrapping about every 72th > character? Not all of us use Netscape and our mail programs get > corrupted 1 liners for messages when you don't. (Note: The RFC > governing email specifies a line length of I 72 or something like > that- Netscape's bad about not wrapping it for you, assuming that > there's a Netscape or Exchange user on the other end that can > properly decipher the message(Which is in violation of the > standard...). > Thanks! [Kyle R. Mcallister] Stange...I don't use netscape and this hasn't happened (to my knowledge) before. Anyways: I came across an article that had to do with using wormholes and Alcubierre warp drives to travel faster than light. I thought one section mentioning magnetic fields sounded very similar to part of the 'machine' used in Carl Sagan's book "Contact". I'll go ahead and post the article (in part) due to the absolutely spectacular amount of replies I got to my message: 2. See my followup: "Magnetic Gravity Drives". Kyle R. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"atmdk3.0.az5.FIgnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All this talk about finding plans to build a n M.L. device, Maybe infiltrating and stealing the ideas. I know this is far fetched and not practical but how about someone building a whimhurst machine and then experimenting with it just like some Swiss people did.Find out what improvements works and what doesn't. If one group found out others can too. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 18:38:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10483; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:38:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:38:00 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <312165fd.34c6ab9a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:14:46 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Help me make it not work! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"RmZ2y2.0.dZ2.74hnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave, I am putting something together for you that might help. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 21 19:11:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22146; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:10:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:10:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD26B0.C3092D20@pm3-125.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Magnetic Gravity Drives Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:07:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD26B0.C319F600" Resent-Message-ID: <"MRczE1.0.jP5.sYhnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD26B0.C319F600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all list members: I came across this article in the EBSCOhost database on the net: Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD26B0.C319F600 Content-Type: text/html; name="worm2].htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EBSCOhost Search Result
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Magazine: MERCURY, JULY 01, 1996 =

WORMHOLES AND = HYPER-DRIVES

In his first = article on the theory of relativity, Albert Einstein wrote that = "velocities greater that that of light...have no possibility of = existence." He was wrong. Over the past decade, theorists have found = that relativity does not forbid wormholes and other = faster-than-;light devices.

It is a familiar sight to = television viewers around the world. Viewed from the Federation space = station, the starship approaches the open maw of the worm-hole. The = wormhole swallows the ship and closes with a burst of light. After a = short detour through hyperspace, the spacecraft emerges from the other = end of the worm-hole. In a few seconds, the ship has traversed the = Galaxy.

Such scenes from "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" have = done much to popularize astronomy and generate public support for the = space program, but they make space flight look like a Walk-a-Thon. Many = people are probably convinced that hyperspatial technology is just = around the corner (see box on p. 13). They are wrong, but not for the = reason that many astronomers and astronomy enthusiasts first think. =

Beginning physics students will tell you that = faster-than-light travel is forbidden by Albert Einstein's special = theory of relativity. They, too, are wrong. It's true that a rocket = can't accelerate continuously from rest to superluminal velocities, but = Einstein's theories do allow for faster-than-light travel by other = means: particles that accelerate discontinuously and tunnels and waves = in the very fabric of space-time. These schemes are speculative, but not = outlandish. Indeed, modern inflationary cosmology is based on the idea = that the early universe expanded faster than light [see "The Cosmic = Burp," March/April 1987, p. 34].

In recent years, a number of = researchers have begun to look into what it might take to make = faster-than-light travel possible. Paradoxes abound. Many physicists = believe (or hope) that nature somehow forbids the construction of = space-time short cuts. Whatever their eventual verdict on the = feasibility of warp drive, the researchers are aiming for a more = immediate benefit: clues into how relativity and quantum mechanics might = merge into a Theory of Everything.

Over-cs =

If you want to drive somewhere faster than the speed limit = will allow, you have two choices. Either make sure that the cops don't = see you, or avoid the need to speed by taking a short cut. The same two = basic approaches apply to faster-than-light travel. Either increase your = speed in such a way as to avoid the relativistic limit, or take a = shorter route.

According to special relativity, a normal = object cannot reach the speed of light in a vacuum, c As the velocity of = an object approaches c, its effective mass approaches infinity. But = relativity only forbids travel at the speed of light. It does not = prevent an object from going faster than light if that object could = somehow jump to superluminal velocities without passing through c. =

This could conceivably happen in high-energy particle = collisions or quantum-mechanical pair production. When these processes = create a new subatomic particle, they endow it with kinetic energy; the = particle comes into the world with a certain velocity without having had = to accelerate from rest. In the late 1960s, Gerald Feinberg of Columbia = University coined the term tachyon to refer to the faster-than-light = particles that, in principle, might be brought forth by such means. =

Although particle accelerators might be able to create = tachyons from scratch, there doesn't seem much hope for turning an = ordinary sub-light speed particle into a tachyon. One long-shot = possibility, as Ian Crawford of University College, London remarked last = year in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society, is = "tunneling" -- a quantum process that allows particles to overcome = barriers even when, according to non-quantum theories such as = relativity, they lack the energy to do so.

A tachyon would = have an "imaginary" rest mass, that is, a normal mass multiplied by the = square root of -1. This imaginary rest mass, bizarre though it sounds, = would not necessarily have any physical significance, since the particle = could never be at rest. The energy and momentum of the tachyon would = always be real quantities. Feinberg and other theorists demonstrated the = energy and momentum would approach infinity when the tachyon's velocity = dropped toward c; as the particle lost energy, it would speed up. = Tachyons not only are consistent with relativity, but also are predicted = by some versions of string theory --arguably the best candidate for a = Theory of Everything.

One theoretical difficulty with = tachyons is that their high speeds might allow them to travel into the = past, producing all sorts of messy contradictions with cause and effect. = On the other hand, Crawford pointed out that only tachyons moving at = certain velocities would travel backwards in time. At other velocities, = tachyons would pose no threat to the notions of causality which underlie = our understanding of the universe. The miscreant tachyon velocities, = Paul Birch proposed in 1984, may be ruled out by some other, unknown = physical principle.

Seek, and Ye Might Not Find =

All efforts to detect these marvelous particles have failed. = One sign of tachyons would be Cherenkov radiation, the optical = equivalent of sonic booms. Ordinary particles can give off Cherenkov = radiation, too, but only when they are in water, glass, or other media = where light is slower than it is in vacuum. In a vacuum, only tachyons = could give off Cherenkov radiation. In 1968, Princeton University = physicists Totsten Alvager and Michael Kreisler looked for Cherenkov = radiation from charged tachyons that they thought might be produced by = colliding gamma rays into lead. They saw nothing.

To look for = uncharged tachyons, Feinberg and his Columbia colleagues studied the = particle trails in 6,000 bubble-chamber photos (see photo on p. 12). = Neutral tachyons would not have left trails, but the researchers could = have inferred their presence by adding up the debris of particle = collisions and checking whether any energy was unaccounted for. They did = find pions, but no tachyons.

Some evidence for tachyons did = emerge in 1974 when Australian astronomers Roger Clay and Philip Crouch = reported in Nature that their instruments had detected some unknown = particles shortly before the onset of a cosmic-ray shower. The = early-bird particles could have been tachyons, which, because of their = high speeds, would have arrived sooner than the other particles of the = shower. But the instruments could have been registering other effects. =

If tachyons did exist, they would presumably be the = communications medium of choice for interstellar civilizations, with = obvious implications for the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. = But until and unless they are detected unambiguously, imaginary-mass = particles must be relegated to the imaginary particle zoo. =

The other basic route to faster-than-light travel is the = short cut. Like tachyons, short cuts through space and time are allowed = by the rules of relativity.

According to Einstein's theory, = the universe is a landscape of valleys and plateaus sculpted by the = presence of matter and energy. The topography of the landscape = determines the distance and time it takes to get from anywhere to = anywhere else. Mass, magnetic fields, and angular momentum cause the = space-time landscape to bend. The bending can push two points on the = landscape farther from or closer to each other. This happens naturally; = we perceive it as gravitation.

If the bending is severe = enough, it might be able to fold one part of space-time onto another, = creating a bridge -- and therefore an alternate path (see diagram on p. = 11). This is what Princeton astrophysicist John Wheeler 40 years ago = termed a wormhole.

Eternity in a Hole

The = wormhole bears some resemblance to another gnarled region of space-time: = the black hole. In fact, Wheeler was the one who coined the phrase black = hole, too. But black holes cannot be used for faster-than-light travel. = They have "event horizons," points of no return where time goes haywire. = The region within the horizon is completely cut off from the rest of the = universe [see "God's Turnstile," July/August 1991, p. 98]. =

Falling into a black hole would be a one-way trip in both = space and time. Even if it were possible to get back out, an eternity = would have gone by -- literally. As seen by an outside observer, a = starship approaching a hole would take an infinite amount of time to = reach the event horizon.

When it comes to black holes, "Star = Trek" has gotten it wrong. The observer would not see a starship = suddenly disappear as it fell into a hole. In his book Black Holes, = Jean-Pierre Luminet of Meudon Observatory wrote that the observer would = watch time grind to a halt aboard the ship. The almost-frozen "ghost = image" of the departed ship would slowly fade from view, red-shifted = into nothingness by the distorted space-time around the hole (see = picture on p. 10).

Although black holes wouldn't do much for = interstellar commerce, they might not deter the most intrepid explorers, = wrote American author and physicist Robert Forward in 1985. The = equations of relativity predict that astronauts falling into certain = types of black holes would emerge in a different universe from the one = they departed, although it is not really clear what that would mean in = practice. Theorists such as Alan Guth and Andrei Linde have argued that = it might even be possible to create black holes -- and hence alternate = universes -- artificially.

Unlike black holes, the = wormholes that pertain to faster-than-light travel connect = one part of our universe to another part of the same universe. In = principle, these wormholes would allow two-way travel in a = short amount of time as seen by both travelers and outside observers. =

Wheeler's original work on wormholes was = concerned with the sub-subatomic realm, length scales so small that = quantum effects cause wormholes to bubble in and out of = existence. The wormholes Wheeler inferred were so minute = (10[sup -35] meters) that a spaceship would never fit. Communication at = faster-than-light speeds, however, might be possible if the wormhole = could be constructed or discovered and kept stable while extremely = short-wavelength radiation traversed it.

Exotica =

The problem with wormholes is that they are = naturally unstable, prone to collapse just as anyone or anything tried = to enter. But in 1988, Caltech physicists Michael Morris and Kip Thorne = realized that an advanced civilization could prevent the collapse of the = wormhole.

The key would be to support the throat of the = wormhole with unusual energy fields. These fields would have to have a = negative, rather than positive, energy density. Physicists refer to the = material that generates such fields as exotic matter. Exotic matter = would produce a gravitational repulsion, rather than attraction. =

Exotic matter sounds magical, yet there are experimental = hints that it could be made. Morris and Thorne pointed out that it may = be possible to tap vacuum fluctuations [see "A Quantum Broom Sweeps = Clean," March/April, p. 12] to develop a negative energy field. But = could exotic matter exist in sufficient quantity to hold open a = decent-size wormhole?

The answer depends on how quantum = mechanics would operate in the curved space-time around a wormhole, and = theorists are only just beginning to get a handle on this problem. In a = May article in Physical Review D, Larry Ford of Tufts University and = Thomas Roman of Central Connecticut State University announced they had = found a possible difficulty with exotic matter: It can exist only for = finite lengths of time or in finite areas of space. The higher the = negative energy density is, the more fleeting or compact the exotic = matter.

A wormhole large enough for a person to pass through = would require a high density of negative energy. As a result, the exotic = matter would have to be confined to a region smaller than a subatomic = particle, according to Ford and Roman.

Apart from the exotic = matter, the Morris-Thorne wormhole would have no special requirements. = It could be made large enough for astronauts to fit; it would avoid = event horizons; it would lack the intense tidal forces that would rip a = starship to shreds. Constructing the wormhole in the first place would = pose a challenge, but large wormholes may exist naturally = -- perhaps, Roman suggested in 1993, Wheeler worm-holes that inflated to = large size during the early expansion of the universe.

Other = theoreticians, apparently disappointed by the need for exotic fields and = materials, have been reviving a 1917-vintage approach to building a = stargate. Last November in the Journal of the British Interplanetary = Society, the Italian physicist Claudio Maccone resuscitated a proposal = made by physicist Tullio Levi-Civita 79 years ago: to warp space-time = using magnets.

Unfortunately, this approach trades exotic = matter for another headache: herculean magnetic fields. Maccone reported = that a laboratory magnetic field of 2.5 tesla produces a tiny bump in = space-time 200 light-years across -- far too spread-out to be = detectable, let alone useful. A magnetic wormhole a meter in radius = would require a field strength of 10[sup 18] tesla, billions of times = stronger than the fields at the surface of a neutron star. Perhaps a = hyperadvanced technology could create localized, very intense pulsed = fields, just as our "q-switched" lasers can outshine the Sun for a split = second in intense pulses.

Hyperfoil

Until = 1994, physicists thought wormholes were the best hope for = faster-than-light travel. But in that year, Miguel Alcubierre Moya of = the University of Wales devised a propulsion system that would not = require punching a hole in space-time. It would rely on a different sort = of space-time distortion.

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Alcubierre's "warp drive" would distort space-time immediately = fore and aft of the starship, so that space-time would expand behind the = starship and contract in front of it. These distortions would push the = starship away from its starting point and pull it toward its = destination. Once the ship had passed, space-time would return to = normal.

Because the ship wouldn't actually be moving relative = to the space immediately around it -- it would ride along on a wave in = space-time --it could flout the relativistic speed limit and achieve = enormous effective accelerations with no effect on the crew. A crew = member would see greatly distorted images of the star field directly = behind and ahead of the spacecraft. The aft star field would be expanded = into a fisheye view by the negative space-time curvature, while the star = field in front of the ship would be contracted. The view toward the = sides of the ship might be similar to the blue shifted and red shifted = further theoretical study of wormholes may uncover the = new laws of physics which are necessary to preserve causality -- and = thereby constrain the Theory of Everything.

As absorbing as = this research is, it can hardly cheer the loyal fan of television = science fiction. A sober assessment of the work indicates that a = breakthrough leading to hyperspatial technology is not in our near = future and may be forever beyond our technological reach. The ball is = now in the observers' court. We need to look for curved space-time = effects at the subatomic and Galactic levels.

Forward = speculated that particle physicists may be able to engineer a massive = nucleus capable of warping space and time in its vicinity--essentially a = small neutron star. Experimenters could use such nuclei as = general-relativity laboratories, mapping space-time with gamma rays, = recording any anomalies, and determining how quantum mechanics and = general relativity mesh.

Maccone suggested a possible = experiment in which an accelerator, such as the Stanford Linear = Accelerator, is rigged as a high-magnetic-field solenoid. Instead of = injecting a particle beam into the accelerator, experimenters would = direct a light beam down the device and measure its speed. The = Levi-Civita solution predicts a slight decrease in the speed of light = due to the magnetic warping of space. This might be measurable. =

An American research team consisting of Forward, Morris, = Visser, Gregory Benford, John Cramer, and Geoffrey Landis has argued = that wormholes would be detectable. According to their = calculations, presented last year in Physical Review D, = wormholes would be gravitational lenses, enhancing images = of background stars and galaxies in a different manner from = gravitational lenses produced by other objects in the Galactic halo. The = team recommended that the MACHO database be reexamined for = wormholes, which would appear to have a negative mass. The = researchers even gave these lenses an acronym of their own: GNACHO, for = gravitationally negative anomalous compact halo object.

Even = if we can't create wormholes for interstellar = transportation, perhaps we can detect the natural variety of this = relativistic oddity. If the entryway of a wormhole were located, = perchance, within a light-year or so of the solar system, who knows what = applications we might find for it? m

PHOTO (BLACK & WHITE): = The hole world. A ship from Earth (lower left) cautiously approaches a = black hole. At middle right is the fading ghost image of a ship that, = according to shipboard time, already passed through the event horizon. = Drawing by C. Bangs for the ASP.

ILLUSTRATION: A wormhole as = seen from a hypothetical vantage point outside the universe. This = distortion of space-time would provide a short cut between two distant = parts of the universe. It is a hefty distortion: a change to the = topology of the universe. Yet it is allowed-- and, at extremely small = length scales, predicted -- by general relativity, Diagram by Matt = Visser, Washington University

ILLUSTRATION: Bubblicious. Like = traffic cops at the scene of an accident, particle physicists study the = skid marks left by subatomic particles as they smash into one other The = "skid marks" are trails of tiny bubbles, which charged particles create = as they screech through the liquid hydrogen in a bubble chamber. This = particular bubble chamber, located at Brookhaven National Laboratory in = Upton, N. Y., witnessed the interaction of a negative K-meson (K) with a = proton -- the same type of interaction that Columbia University = physicists Gerald Feinberg, Charles Baltay, Ralph Linsker, and Noel Yeh = scrutinized in the late 1960s for signs of tachyons. There don't seem to = be any tachyons here, just a clutter of mesons (Kappa, omega , Pi), = baryons (rho, *(This character cannot be represented into ASCII Text.), = lambda), and photons (gamma) [see "Quarks, Leptons, and Bosons: A = Particle Physics Primer," July/August 1983, p. 98]. The uncharged = particles don't produce bubbles; their paths (dotted lines on right) are = deduced from the tracks left by the charged particles. Photo courtesy of = Rene Donaldson, Beam Line magazine, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. =

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By Gregory L. Matloff, New York University and = The New School for Social Research


GREGORY L. MATLOFF is = an astronomy professor at New York University and the New School for = Social Research. In addition to doing research on interstellar travel, = extrasolar planet detection, and atmospheric ozone, he has served as = consulting astronomer to the City of New York Department of Parks and = Recreation and has written two sky guides, The Urban Astronomer and = Telescope Power. His email address is matloff@is3.nyu.edu. George Musser = contributed to this article.




HITTING THE HYPERSPACE = BUTTON

Are wormholes applicable to = space flight? Ask scientists and the public, and you are likely to = receive two wildly different answers.

It was in 1980 that I = encountered these differing perceptions firsthand. For a number of = years, I had been contributing to the British Interplanetary Society's = "Daedalus" study, in which scientists and engineers from many = disciplines were investigating interstellar travel. Although I would not = co-author The Starflight Handbook with science writer Eugene Mallove for = another decade, my papers on interstellar travel were appearing in the = Journal of the British Interplanetary Society. It was becoming clear to = me, as would be confirmed in a 1984 JBIS issue containing articles by = Daedalus directors Alan Bond and Anthony Martin, that the only feasible = means of interstellar travel were solar sails or nuclear-pulse "world = ships" -- kilometers-long space colonies that would require millennia to = cross the vast wastes between the stars.

After returning from = a BIS conference in London, I was invited to lecture on interstellar = travel at a local science-fiction convention. Arriving early at the = Manhattan hotel, I marveled at the elaborate costumes. It seemed that = most of the crew of the original Enterprise was present in triplicate = (presumably because of a transport malfunction).

Finally, it = was time for my talk. I argued that relativistic space flight would = probably remain unfeasible because of fundamental thermonuclear reactor = limitations and the astronomical cost of antimatter; the only feasible = propulsion options were solar and nuclear pulse. I discussed the = sociological problems of multigenerational star flight -- and the = potential, in spite of the obstacles, for colonizing the Galaxy. =

When my half-hour was up, I collected my viewgraphs and asked = whether there were any questions. The first hand belonged to a young = woman with the spiked blonde hair of an East Village punkette. "Your = projected flight times seem awfully long," she complained. "Is there = anything we can do to reduce them?"

I responded that a = civilization might time its interstellar missions to coincide with the = random close approach of a solar-type star, an event that occurs every = million years or so, or launch its solar-propelled starships during its = Sun's giant phase, when the increased photosphere size and luminosity = would reduce mission durations to a few centuries.

"No," she = continued, "that's not good enough. There simply must be some method of = reaching the stars within a few days or weeks!" =

"Wormholes and hyperspace," I responded, "have = been used as plot devices for decades by science-fiction authors, but = they show absolutely no promise of ever evolving into a functioning = faster-than-light star drive."

Now the hands of the audience = were reaching for the sky. I seem to have touched a collective nerve. It = soon became an argument of scientific studies versus the exploratory = desires (or other psychological requirements) of science-fiction fans. = Every attempted refutation of mine gave rise to a new variation on the = wormhole. The audience apparently believed wholeheartedly in = wormholes. No matter what I could tell them, short cuts = through hyperspace must be possible.

Since then, I have = conducted similar discussion with college classes at New York = University, the New School for Social Research, and elsewhere. The = results have always been the same, Science fiction has convinced the = American public that warp drives are in the works. A = substantial minority seems to believe that such a capability has long = existed, but has been hidden by the military [see "They're Out to Get = Us," November/December 1995, p. 23].

Other lecturers, such as = Marc Millis of the NASA Lewis Research Center, have reported a similar = response. If you're a teacher, try asking your class. In response to the = public's expectations, NASA may even fund a low-level study of these = devices.

Whatever the scientific plausibility of = faster-than-light travel, the public's interest in the topic has little = to do with science. Instead, I think that it often has to do with = people's desire to escape. Many people feel imprisoned on an = overpopulated planet; they feel they are victims of pollution, corporate = downsizing, and other malaises. Perhaps hyperspatial short cuts to = unspoiled worlds will be forever beyond our reach, but it no longer = surprises me that educated people cling to this hope of escape. =

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If you want a couple of samples, e-mail me your address. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 05:43:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13661; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:43:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:43:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C76817.5094@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:39:03 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Sealed Engine Spook Story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yo5Ba3.0.KL3.Eqqnq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! 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Regards Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 09:05:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15486; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:28 -0800 From: Ro Conroy Message-ID: <21ce9ee.34c77af0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:26 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: "Standard Model" Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_885488366_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"JtYPm1.0.rn3.Kntnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_885488366_boundary Content-ID: <0_885488366@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII all, The New York Times just had a very good article on a 90' diameter neutrino detector being built 1 mile deep in a mine in Ontario. This particular neutrino being one element of the Standard Model's Leptons. This particular neutrino having many of the characteristics of the aether, as it has almost no weight, yet is so prevalent that it represents the majority of the Universe's total mass. Millions of neutrinos can pass through the human body every second without touching anything. URL: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/sci-neutrino-mass.htm This ties in with a paper I wrote on the Unified theory, which ties the Standard Model with the Tanakh, DNA architecture, the Philosophers's Stone, and their tie in with access to Nature's abundant energy. I have attached that file and its' name is unifiedt3.txt. It has about 5000 bytes. Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy --part0_885488366_boundary Content-ID: <0_885488366@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: text/plain; name="UNIFIED3.TXT" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Unified Theory =09Einstein spent approximately 30 years seeking a unified theory, yet be= fore his death, he confided in a friend, Solovine, "there is not a single= concept of which I am certain it will stand the test of time". Over 30 = years later, we still have no unified theory, and yet only now are some p= eople beginning to question the foundations supposedly laid by Einstein. = =09It is my theory that to come to a unified theory you have to unify the= physical, the mental, and the spiritual. I believe that as long as our = society is in spiritual darkness it will remain in a scientific limbo, wi= th no unifying insight. I believe that the Tanakh was inspired by the Cr= eator, and in it, I believe, is hidden, in plain view, the structure of t= he Universe. =09My hypothesis is that the architecture of Nature is hidden in plain si= ght. Man was supposedly made in the Creator's image and the living sanct= uary of that Creator was supposedly Israel. You might ask yourself what = is the architecture of Isreal. Is it not the 3 patriarchs and the 12 tri= bes of Israel? You might ask yourself what is the architecture of the no= n living tabernacle also? =09Today's scientific community's standard model for the elemental partic= les, based heavily on symetry assumptions, consist of 6 pairs of Quarks a= nd Leptons. This would parallel the 12 or 6 pairs of apostles sent out t= o teach the gospel of the "kingdom" by Y'shua, or the 12 tribes of Isreal= descended from the 3 patriarchs. =09The problem is that the Inner Sanctuary of the non living tabernacle h= as a symetry of 10 and not 12 and that there are 13 tribes of Israel when= taking into account the splitting of the tribe of Joseph, and there are = 13 apostles when adding the self proclaimed apostle Paul. It is the outer= walls which have the number 12 sysmetry. =09Using the symetries of geometry, I can show that 5 male-female pairs a= re required to produce a regenerative progressive series of self reproduc= ing structural identities, which would correspond to the 10 faithful apos= tle architecture. This architecture is the one mirrored in Nature. The = other 3 apostles being, the unfaithful Peter, the suicidal Judas, and the= self proclaimed apostle Paul. =09 =09The 12 apparent geometrical structural elements, plus the alternate 13= th, represent the 13 tribes or apostles. The tetrahedron element, being = the most elegant and a system to itself when married to the non paired oc= tahedron element, would be in my opinion, be a representation of the "mor= ning star", or the fallen angel, Lucifer, the "deceiver" and ruler of the= world and its' present paradim. The tetrahedron's parallel, among the a= postles, would be the foremost apostle of our day, Paul. The octahedron = element would parallel Peter. These two elements when combined in prope= r proportions form a cube, the modern architecture of today's man made wo= rld and the shape of the structure hiding the inner sanctum of the holy o= f holies. Peter and Paul would the two staffs of Zechariah 11:7. These = two would be the shepherds of the flock "doomed for slaughter". =09Following the blue print supplied in the Tanakh, along with what is be= ing discovered today, my hypothesis is that as with the original 12 sons,= the 12 basic elements will combine into 72 compounds. These 12 basic el= ements will also have 12 anti-elements, just as Jacob had a brother with = 12 sons, which will come to a total of 24, and the 72 compounds will have= anti-compounds which makes the sum 144. Just as in the desert, the 144 = total will be assembled in groups of tens, and of hundreds making a total= of 144,000. These will each have corresponding energy signatures. The= se signatures correspond to the over 100,000 known spectographic markers.= =09I believe that these same type of elemental structures form the blue p= rint of Nature in the form of linked DNA. The four basic markers of DNA = would be built around the icosahedron, the dodecahedron, the icosidodecah= edron, and the mean proportional geodesic. These would correspond to the= 4 angels who sat at the 4 corners of the globe in the Book of Revelation= s or even in the characteristic of the Mayan globe with it's 4 guardians.= Remember that the Mayans are credited with the most accurate calendar b= ased on a 13 month year. The "Mean Proportional Geodesic" would correspo= nd to the angel with the double edged sword who prevents access to the ga= rden of Eden, or in other words, it would correspond to the philosopher s= tone. This stone supposedly being the key to transmutation and transmuta= tion being the key to the energy of the universe and a life without toil.= homepage: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy=09 molecular modeling: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_c= onroy/3dmolecu.htm metaphysics: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy/me= taphys.htm unified theory: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepags/robert_conroy/u= nifiedt.htm unified3.wps revised 1/22/98 rlc =09 --part0_885488366_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 09:05:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15443; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:19 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801221705.AA27332@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 09:51:50 -0500 To: Subject: Test Message - Ignore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4eFJ63.0.5n3.Cntnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Just a test to see if this account can send to Freenrg-L. Heve sent stuff that wasn't reflected. Anton Rager From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 10:37:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24113; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:25 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801221837.AA12534@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 11:25:03 -0500 To: Subject: Test Number 2 - don't read Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"97E03.0.Qu5.X7vnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bear with me....checking to see if this one get's thru as well. Anton Rager arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 10:55:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA30847; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:54:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:54:55 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801221854.AA15449@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 11:44:48 -0500 To: Subject: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nysaF3.0.mX7.xNvnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, As you have probably seen, I have sent two test messages to the list today. Between those two messages, I also sent some info on a magnetic motor I am building. It didn't come thru.! It was a resend of the same document that I sent yesterday that didn't come thru. Any ideas why I'm able to send these tests, but not the real content that I want to post? All sends have been from the same email address.... Is someone intercepting/deleting may posts? Confused and Paranoid. Anton Rager arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 12:09:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28778; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:09:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:09:20 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801222009.AA28109@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 12:40:13 -0500 To: Subject: Magnetic Flux Torque Gradient Motor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9Uku.0.S17.kTwnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, For some reason, I am having problems posting. I have come up with a new design for a Greg Watson type RMOD motor. Uses a spiral array, and relies on changing torque gradients and magnetic flux gates. Please see http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html for more info and a rough diagram. My apologies. Can't seem to post the actual info on either Freenrg-L or Vortex. Wierd..... Please review and comment. Enjoy, Anton Rager Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] arager@idcomm.com [HM] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 12:25:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01434; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34C7AB29.4C9C@darknet.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:25:13 -0500 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: interesting patent that might be useful.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A5Gkb1.0.tL.3jwnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Yesterday I was asked about a patent I knew of that was for a room temperature superconductor.. I looked it up, and decided to post the address here in case anyone would have a use for room temp SCs for experiments.. http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?patent_number=4325795 ttyl -Steve King -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 13:28:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25104; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:28:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:28:47 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:36:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? Message-ID: <19980122.113616.3438.2.tv@juno.com> References: <199801221854.AA15449@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11,13,15,17,19-30 Resent-Message-ID: <"BwJV-3.0.986.Dexnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It will not get posted if it is too large, like with large attachments. No moderator in that sense. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Thu, 22 Jan 98 11:44:48 -0500 arager@mcgraw-hill.com writes: > > Hello all, > > As you have probably seen, I have sent two test messages to the list > today. Between those two messages, I also sent some info on a magnetic > motor I am building. It didn't come thru.! It was a resend of the > same document that I sent yesterday that didn't come thru. Any ideas > why I'm able to send these tests, but not the real content that I want > to post? All sends have been from the same email address.... > > Is someone intercepting/deleting may posts? > > Confused and Paranoid. > > Anton Rager > arager@McGraw-Hill.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 13:39:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29263; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:38:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:38:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:38:35 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? In-Reply-To: <199801221854.AA15449@interlock.mgh.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"bD5F_.0.197.inxnq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 arager@mcgraw-hill.com wrote: > > Hello all, > > As you have probably seen, I have sent two test messages to the list > today. Between those two messages, I also sent some info on a magnetic > motor I am building. It didn't come thru.! It was a resend of the > same document that I sent yesterday that didn't come thru. Any ideas > why I'm able to send these tests, but not the real content that I want > to post? All sends have been from the same email address.... > > Is someone intercepting/deleting may posts? > > Confused and Paranoid. > > Anton Rager > arager@McGraw-Hill.com > > > There is a size limit i think (someone might know exact) 40k? 65? attached pictures might be the trouble? split-it? -se- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 13:56:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03293; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:55:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:55:45 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801222153.AA16221@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 14:48:01 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0YmQ.0.ko.T1ynq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks for the replies all. >It will not get posted if it is too large, like with large >attachments. No moderator in that sense. Yep....Attachment size would be the problem. I used visio to create the diagram, and it created about a 40K jpg file. Will look into how to trim it down. The image is actually fairly simple.....40K seems real large for this image. For now -- go to http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html to see the design. Will post to list when I can get the size a bit smaller. Thanks again, Anton Rager arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 17:09:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12173; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:09:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:09:30 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <9ebee4eb.34c7ec45@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:02:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Is gif file of 6820 bytes to big an attachment? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"EZm8T3.0.6-2.7t-nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know if a gif attachment of 6820 bytes to the list mail to big? Will it make it through or be left out? Is the attachment sometimes left out but the post put thru? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 17:15:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13056; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:14:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:14:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19860123194850.00697244@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1986 19:48:56 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Re[2]: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"n1Nt9.0.qB3.-x-nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:48 PM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > Thanks for the replies all. > > > >It will not get posted if it is too large, like with large > >attachments. No moderator in that sense. > > Yep....Attachment size would be the problem. I used visio to create > the diagram, and it created about a 40K jpg file. Will look into how > to trim it down. The image is actually fairly simple.....40K seems > real large for this image. > > For now -- go to > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html to see > the design. Will post to list when I can get the size a bit smaller. > > > Thanks again, > Anton Rager > arager@McGraw-Hill.com > > I even had a problem downloading your web page. Another idea-how about a curved smot either horizontal or verticle and a few balls or metal mass attached to a central axis by spokes so that when one ball leaves the smot another enters or is this what you are thinking of. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 17:24:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15549; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:24:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:24:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C80C52.7B2A@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:19:46 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Ang.: Sealed Engine Spook Story References: <199801221540.QAA45330@sdn5.csc.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZG-gr3.0.qo3.F5_nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Anders et al! Anders wrote; > But I know from experience that one should not have much faith in the > stories of John Searl. When you check one of his stories, it usually > turns out to be his imagination running wild. I, along with many others recognize this as one of Searls proclivities. However, the story is intriguing and should be addressed for; the possibility of what it implies as to free energy, whether there is something to it, is it worth trying as an experiment? The story should be based on its merits, not discounting it totally as a fabrication based solely on who told the story (Searl). If killing the messenger/originator of the story is the general attitude, then freenrg-l is meaningless. I, for one, recall the Joseph Papp engine, using mixed noble gases that are exploded to drive a cylinder....Papp claimed the gases repel with great force from each other when electrically excited (50kv or so). The gases are then recombined after cooling, and reintroduced into the system. There is a short file on Papp available at; http://pc1502.geographie.uni-regensburg.de/html/fey1.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 17:30:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14717; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:30:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: <34C7F2C0.D15A7E7A@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:30:41 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: magnrtic motor Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2D4946D1A6772F60DEFCAD38" Resent-Message-ID: <"hHUTz3.0.Zb3.mA_nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2D4946D1A6772F60DEFCAD38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have come up with a new [I think] approach to the rotating SMOT thing. Still working on the array construction, so have no verification of this yet. However, I can't find a reason why this won't work. We'll call it the Magnetic Flux Torque Gradient Motor [MFTGM] for now. First -- Let's discuss a few things that I am relying on for the operation of the device. 1 - Magnetic Flux Gate - With the RMOG device, Greg describes a phenomenon that occurs with two magnets and a steel rod between them. One magnet and steel rod creates an attraction zone in the center of the magnet. With magnets on either end of the steel rod [opposing forces], the attraction zone for the steel rod is moved to the outside edge of both magnets. I did a quick test of this with a steel nail, and found that when the magnets are much larger than the diameter of the nail, the opposing fields actually seem to cancel out the attraction on the nail. Will test more, but either effect is usable. 2 - Torque Gradient - The force required to move a disk decreases as the point of application becomes further from axle. Think of a torque wrench....long handle=high mechanical advantage, short handle=low advantage. Imagine a disk with nails arranged in a spoke pattern. [mine are taped to an old hard-drive platter, and the assembly is mounted to the outside of the original drive housing] Got it....good, now imagine a magnet array [only need one with the nails/spokes fixed to the disk] that is curved. It starts towards the center of the disk, and ends at the outer edge of the disk. Kinda arc shaped. The magnetic strength along the array is constant, and the torque differential between the center and the outer edge should move the disk towards the outer portion of the array. I have tested this with a slightly curved array, and it seems to work as stated. Spoke moves forward and towards outer edge of array, and creates rotation as it moves. Okay -- here's what I'm thinking for the complete device. Combine the two ideas above [flux gate and torque gradient], and have the starting points and ending points happening on the same nail/spoke. You end up with a spiral shaped array. The nail moves along the array [towards the outer edge] and is pulled along by the uniform magnetic field and the changing torque gradient. As the nail reaches the final portion of the array, it is also entering the beginning portion of the array on the other end of the nail. At that point the nail/spoke has equal, and opposing magnetic forces from the start/finish portions of the array. This is the flux gate. This area creates a reduced/canceled magnetic attraction on the inner and outer portions of the spoke, and should allow the outer portion of the nail to swing past the final part of the array field. 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1998 23:29:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Greg Watson home page not found Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Cnf8x1.0.sW4.ix1oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm been trying to pull up Greg watsons home page and get a not found. Anyone having the same trouble or know whats going on? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 22 20:42:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18929; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:41:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:41:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C83A8F.2E2D@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:37:03 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: magnetic motor References: <34C7F2C0.D15A7E7A@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2cfzB.0.bd4.E-1oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John & Anton et al! The design looks much like the Kawai magnetic engine design, using a kind of fibonacci spiral. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 02:19:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22843; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:18:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:18:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:18:08 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Greg Watson home page not found Resent-Message-ID: <"7It093.0.qa5.Iw6oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch - >I'm been trying to pull up Greg watsons home page and get a not found. >Anyone having the same trouble or know whats going on? >Thanks, >Butch Works ok for me as of 1/23/98. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 02:31:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23961; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:31:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34C88D51.1F08@cmet.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:30:09 -0500 From: Felix Meyer Reply-To: ce3cwf@cmet.net Organization: CE3CWF X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT-bw (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Greg Watson home page not found References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NX4EX.0.Is5.D67oq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte wrote: > > I'm been trying to pull up Greg watsons home page and get a not found. > Anyone having the same trouble or know whats going on? > Thanks, > Butch Here Gregs Homepage works OK. January 23, 11.30 UTC Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 03:35:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA31300; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:35:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:35:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199801231135.MAA45100@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:22:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Re: Ang.: Sealed Engine Spook Story MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id DAA31281 Resent-Message-ID: <"yZrde.0.ze7.828oq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The story should be based on its merits, not discounting it totally as >a fabrication based solely on who told the story (Searl) A story should be checked. I have checked a number of Searls stories (but not this one). That is why I issue a warning. The Seregodsky machine, and the Stanley Meyer machines are examples of machines where there is some reality to the story. Several people have seen these machines, you have the possibility of talking to Seregodsky and Stanley Meyer. Looking at these machines makes some sense. >If killing the messenger/originator of the story is the general attitude, >then freenrg-l is meaningless. In some cases a warning against a particular messager/originator is 'earned' (I am not sure what the proper word is)... Regards Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 05:34:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12982; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:34:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:34:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:29:52 +1100 Message-Id: <199801231429.BAA25700@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re:IS Hamel Saucer Light Field Deadly Resent-Message-ID: <"0FMf31.0.aA3.jn9oq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:17 PM 1/20/98 EST, you wrote: >On 20/01/1998 15:11:22 , fearl@airmail.net a wrote: >Greetings all, > >Please note my website pages dealing with the hamel invention > http://www.geocities.com/ResaerchTriangle/Lab/1135 I am hoping that some one on the list may be able to give me some idea of the dangers if I build the 44 gallon drum version of the device. Apart from the danger of the drum flying apart. I am a little concern about the red light that is said be emitted from said device. If indeed it is radiated energy and if stories of UFO encounters are to be believed some eye witnesses have suffered from nasty radition burns. Does any one know have to prevent or lessen the risk to myself and any bystanders. and finally does anyone know how to add a electronic fail safe to device when it is said all normally electrical generation are said to fail in the presence of the Hamel Device when operation. Geoff > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 06:04:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19553; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:04:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:04:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199801231404.GAA19524@mx1.eskimo.com> Date: 23 Jan 1998 08:59 EST Sender: "Gene Batten" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Gene Batten" Subject: re:magnrtic motor Resent-Message-ID: <"tVrYn1.0.On4.aDAoq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Anton, You may have something here. Are you building a proto? I have long thought that some type of magnetic motor is possible. I think the hardest part is the "flux gate". The "torque gradient" is fairly easy to arrange, but "decoupling" from the gradient so the rotor can "start over" is tricky. I have played around with "shutter" type arrangements but without success. The cycle that seems logical to me is to accelerate a rotor using an appropriate arrangement of magnets. As the rotor nears completion of its first rotation, it has gained momentum and thus contains stored energy. Some of the stored energy (momentum) in the rotor could be used to accomplish the "flux gate" function so the rotor can begin another rotation. The remaining energy is then available as "shaft" power to do external work. If "decoupling" can be accomplished with less energy than is generated during the acceleration portion of the rotation then we have something. Maybe another magnet, not part of the rotation system, could be used to accomplish the "flux gate" funtion? Just a thought. Keep us posted on your progress. ..Gene Batten In message "magnrtic motor", you write: > Have come up with a new [I think] approach to the rotating SMOT thing. > Still working on the array construction, so have no verification > of this yet. However, I can't find a reason why this won't work. We'll > call it the Magnetic Flux Torque Gradient Motor [MFTGM] for > now. > (snip) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 08:35:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11364; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:34:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801231633.AA15955@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 09:29:33 -0500 To: , Subject: Re[4]: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IGqsz2.0.Sn2.hQCoq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> For now -- go to >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html to see > the design. Will post to list when I can get the size a bit smaller. > > > Thanks again, > Anton Rager > arager@McGraw-Hill.com > > >I even had a problem downloading your web page. Another idea-how about a >curved smot either horizontal or verticle and a few balls or metal mass >attached to a central axis by spokes so that when one ball leaves the smot >another enters or is this what you are thinking of. >Woody Hello Woody, Sorta it. I think you are thinking of the RMOD type device that Jean-Louis Naudin tested [see http://members.aol.com/overunity3/html/rmodmk1.htm] Try my page again.....I was modifying the image yesterday, and hosed it up at one point. Perhaps that's when you were trying? Should be ok now. Mine's a curved SMOT type thing, with metal spokes on a disk and a spiral magnetic ramp. The ramp is parallel to the to the disk/spokes and the disk/spokes will move because of the torque gradient. This is one of the keys...It allows a uniform and parallel magnetic field [Unlike SMOT Mk1, Mk2]. This means that the magnetic strength at the end-start position is equal. The torque gradient is not. The real key here, is to get the Flux-Gate [the position where the end of the magnet array overlaps the beginning of the array] positioned correctly to reduce the force needed to exit the end of the array and start over. This creates a change/reduction? in the magnetic field at the flux area. Take a look at the page. I will be posting updates to my research to the list. Anton Rager Magnetic Motor Research - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] arager@idcomm.com [HM] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 09:22:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA31401; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:22:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:22:41 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801231722.AA23827@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 10:13:59 -0500 To: Subject: Re: magnrtic motor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pUNfk.0.Xg7.V7Doq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: My thanks to whoever posted my WWW page info to the list -- How did you reduce the jpg size? Mine was about 40K.....the one posted to the list is about 6K.....What's the trick? Thanks again for the help. Anton Rager Magnetic Motor Research - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] arager@idcomm.com [HM] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 10:09:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10625; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:07:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:07:42 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801231807.AA01798@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 11:02:37 -0500 To: Subject: Anton's Magnetic Motor Progress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J8Qw8.0.nb2.inDoq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, Here's a quick update to my research on my magnetic motor design. The easiest array design for testing seems to be two neodymium magnets [one positioned at start area, and the other positioned at the exit area] and a spiral shaped piece of baling wire between the two magnets. The baling wire does a poor job of distributing the magnetic field, but at this point I am mainly working on the flux-gate area anyway. So far, I can't get rotation out of it with all of the spokes [nails] on it. Not to worry though...I think I just need to make sure that I have an even magnetic field throughout the spiral....Right now it is mostly concentrated at the start/exit area. So, I removed all but one of the nails, and played with the flux-gate area a bit. After getting a good feel for it...and dinking with the positioning, I started adding adjacent nails back to the disk. With only 2 adjacent nails on the disk, I can get the 1st nail to push thru the flux-gate, and the second nail stops in the gate. I figure this is because the torque gradient a the start of the array is too low to be useful...it probably just helps cancel out the exit portion of the array. With 5 nails next to each other in about a quarter of the disk [about a flux-gate length spacing between nails...], I can get 4 of the nails to transition from the exit to the entry of the array [thru the flux-gate]. The last nail stops in the flux-gate area. Looks like it always needs another nail pushing from behind to get out of the flux gate area. Looks good to me! Just need to make sure the array can pull evenly thru the rest of the spiral. Also played with the flux-gate idea some more. Seems that the gate is reducing the exit force...but the reduction is small, and it mainly seems to even out the normal abruptness of the magnetic exit. I need to take a look at in in Quickfield to get a better idea of exactly what's going on...My results seem to be different than what Greg Watson posted with the RMOG stuff. So -- Anyone fluent in Quickfield? My learning curve is real steep with it.....Can't seem to make it solve my drawings. All for now, Anton Rager Magnetic Motor Research - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] arager@idcomm.com [HM] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 10:16:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13431; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:14:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:14:46 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801231814.AA02852@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 11:09:14 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: magnetic motor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0BHTw.0.8H3.JuDoq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry Decker wrote: >The design looks much like the Kawai magnetic engine design, using a kind >of fibonacci spiral. >-- Jerry -- Got any good links on that Kawai engine? What is a fibonacci spiral? Is that some sort of Italian food? :>> Anton Rager Magnetic Motor Research - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] arager@idcomm.com [HM] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 11:35:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12246; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:55:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Problems posting - Is this list moderated? Message-ID: <19980123.142545.7574.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199801221854.AA15449@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,12,14-20 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ks40j2.0.F_2.U2Foq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 22 Jan 98 11:44:48 -0500 arager@mcgraw-hill.com writes: > > Confused and Paranoid. > > Anton Rager > arager@McGraw-Hill.com > > > I have lost e-mail also, for me it seems to be when I send several at once. However, if you fear someone is tampering, send copies to several members on the list directly. Note how, at least with Juno, your full e-mail address appears at the top, even though you posted to freenrg. If necessary, just use the Cc: address. Just an idea.... Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 11:35:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12302; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:48:23 -0500 Subject: Re: magnetism and scalar generation Message-ID: <19980123.142545.7574.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199801220646.WAA18891@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-10,15-16,19-21 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"Gyt9C2.0.303.f2Foq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:46:55 -0800 (PST) Dave Dameron writes: . Should these 2 fields, opposed, produce a >large >scalar field? Yhat is, if I rotate the disk at 3000rpm, should a 50Hz >scalar >field be produced? >-Dave > Atoms are already "electrically neutral". And since the interior of the atom itself is in motion, the "magnetic" fields generated by the electrons and protons are canceled out. That is a "scalar" field in the purest sense, and may be this interaction that gives rise to the gravitional field in the first place. I find this question interesting because of the past discussion where plant growth may be affected by a spinning mass under it. May be a tie-in. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 16:05:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12657; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:05:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:05:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19860124181618.006a7354@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1986 18:38:12 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re:IS Hamel Saucer Light Field Deadly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Wsykc3.0.U53.E1Joq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:29 AM 1/24/98 +1100, you wrote: >At 03:17 PM 1/20/98 EST, you wrote: >>On 20/01/1998 15:11:22 , fearl@airmail.net a wrote: >>Greetings all, >> >>Please note >my website pages dealing with the hamel invention >> >http://www.geocities.com/ResaerchTriangle/Lab/1135 > >I am hoping that some one on the list may be able to give me some idea of >the dangers if I build the 44 gallon drum version of the device. > >Apart from the danger of the drum flying apart. >I am a little concern about the red light that is said be emitted from said >device. >If indeed it is radiated energy and if stories of UFO encounters are to be >believed >some eye witnesses have suffered from nasty radition burns. > >Does any one know have to prevent or lessen the risk to myself and any >bystanders. > >and finally does anyone know how to add a electronic fail safe to device >when it is >said all normally electrical generation are said to fail in the presence >of the Hamel Device when operation. > >Geoff > I don't want to be a party pooper but take Mr. Hammels claims with a grain of salt. I have met him and he is a nice guy,he lives on the border of poverty and spends a lot of money on his project.He seems to sincerely believe in what he is doing and should be commended for his dedication.My only problem is that if I had built a device that took off into outer space I would have built another one identical to it and tried to control it a bit better or launch it in front of a respected group of observers. I have just built another Hammel spinner and I am still facinated by the way it works.I am trying to get it to self perpetuate. Damm it sure seems like there is something there to work with. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 17:03:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08524; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:02:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:02:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:59:49 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: INE Website has been Updated Resent-Message-ID: <"P2xAL2.0.352._sJoq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All new revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Jan. 23, 1998 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 5, No. 9, January 1998 The Hanford Site and Other Offenses The Asti Cold Fusion Workshop -- a Pilot for ICCF-7 LENT: Tungsten Into Silver, Iron, Barium, Tin, Chromium, Etc.; Simple Macroscopic Alchemy Demonstration; Silver Increased by a Factor of 164 Times! 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 23 17:55:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16452; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:55:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:55:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C949E7.4BB56A2A@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:54:48 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: magnrtic motor/picture size References: <199801231722.AA23827@interlock.mgh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MIPGG3.0.s04.HeKoq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I got the picture from 40.9KB to 5.76KB by changing it from jpg to gif. jpg is good for anything with a lot of colour and a busy picture, gif is good for pictures that have 256 colours and it is good at compressing large plain blank pieces of one colour. You may want to use png for a good balance but some people are not able to read it. John Berry arager@mcgraw-hill.com wrote: > My thanks to whoever posted my WWW page info to the list -- How did > you reduce the jpg size? Mine was about 40K.....the one posted to the > list is about 6K.....What's the trick? > > > Thanks again for the help. > > Anton Rager > Magnetic Motor Research - > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html > > Denver, CO > arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] > arager@idcomm.com [HM] > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 01:47:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03290; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:46:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:46:50 -0800 From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <4f39ff32.34c9b879@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:46:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: magnrtic motor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"hpb5a.0.Jp.9YRoq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 23/01/1998 19:30:08 , you wrote : << My thanks to whoever posted my WWW page info to the list -- How did you reduce the jpg size? Mine was about 40K.....the one posted to the list is about 6K.....What's the trick? >> You need to set your JPEG compressor parameter in your application. I have used 37% quality compression. I hope that this will help you. Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 09:25:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15978; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:25:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:25:11 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:50:19 -0500 Subject: Re: magnrtic motor Message-ID: <19980124.121446.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199801231404.GAA19524@mx1.eskimo.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-22,28-29,31-32,36-37,43-45 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"K9r6y2.0.Zv3.rFYoq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 23 Jan 1998 08:59 EST "Gene Batten" writes: >Anton, > but "decoupling" from the gradient so the rotor can "start over" is tricky. I have >played around with "shutter" type arrangements but without success. > >The cycle that seems logical to me is to accelerate a rotor >using an appropriate arrangement of magnets. As the rotor >nears completion of its first rotation, it has gained momentum >and thus contains stored energy. Some of the stored energy >(momentum) in the rotor could be used to accomplish the "flux >gate" function so the rotor can begin another rotation. The >remaining energy is then available as "shaft" power to do >external work. > >If "decoupling" can be accomplished with less energy than is >generated during the acceleration portion of the rotation then >we have something. Maybe another magnet, not part of the >rotation system, could be used to accomplish the "flux gate" >funtion? Just a thought. > I had considered the same problem. One idea I had was two wheeles sharing the final element of a "Y"-shapped smot array. In the last (strongest) element, there would be a "spoke" of one wheel following a "spoke" of the first wheel. the idea here is that the magnet field is now split into two paths, sharred between the two spokes, so the attraction is now half on each. If eighter of you want a quick sketch, give me your snail mail address in a private e-mail and I'll send it two you. BTW, I consider it necessary to have several "spokes" or whatever magnetic mass you are using (JL Naudin used steel balls) in the smot array at once, so the combined "acceleration" of spokes/balls in the array exceeds the one trying to exit the array. Also, for those who tried JL Naudin's RMOD V.2 (the rotary smot version), I would try two changes... first, put a series of "balls" on one side of the rotor (one ball per magnet assy) and balance the rotor with a non-magnetic weight on the other side. Second, place the smot array so the exit point is at the 3'oclock position. This may improve performance (gravity assist on top of the momentum). Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 11:01:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03835; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:01:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:01:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:42:15 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: looking for dead inventors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"V5k1Z3.0.qx.rfZoq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here's someone looking for obscure inventors for a TV show. I've already sent him some Tesla stuff. Anyone know of "local heroes" he should know about? (Reply to john@screenhouse.co.uk, he's not on freenrg) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:46:23 -0000 From: John Francas To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: dead inventors ... Now down to business - we make a TV show in the U.K. called Local Heroes, which is about the lives of unsung pioneers of science and invention (who are all dead!). We uncover unknown stories about famous inventors around the U.K. (like faraday, Wheatstone, Stephenson etc) and we discover inventors that history has forgotten. A good example is Gladstone Adams. He invented the windscreen wiper a good eight years BEFORE the American who is credited with inventing it. Anyway, we are now doing some special programmes for the BBC from abroad and we would like to know about any unsung Russian, Chinese or American heroes of science and invention. If you know any names that we should cover, please reply. My new e-mail is john@screenhouse.co.uk Thanks. John Francas Screenhouse Productions From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 14:47:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02172; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:47:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:47:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:47:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801242247.OAA29413@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Hieronymous plant growth experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"itXPt3.0.kX.F-coq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I finished my Hieronymous plant growth experiment, described in www.svpvril.com/Hier.html, using metal solar collectors. The seeds I planted didn't sprout. Some other wild ones did, maybe a day earlier in the box connected to the solar electrode. But they did all poorly, like from a lack of sunlight. I will redo this in a month or so when there is more sunlight here. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 15:18:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01065; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:18:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:18:02 -0800 Message-ID: <34CA7571.C36B7945@cyberhighway.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:12:49 -0700 From: Beau Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy List Subject: Back door to cold fusion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VvFM51.0.UG.fQdoq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I heard that there was a water heater on Good Morning America recently run by cold fusion. Is this true? Beau -- ÿØÿà From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 15:28:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00163; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:28:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:28:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CA77A8.4323E3D8@cyberhighway.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:22:16 -0700 From: Beau Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy List Subject: What do you think? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4OehW3.0.P2.Xadoq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Found this sight http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/p03.htm . Is this type of motor valid? Does it work? Is it in production? Beau -- ÿØÿà From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 20:52:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28795; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:50:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:50:31 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801242247.OAA29413@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:50:41 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Hieronymous plant growth experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"y-apa2.0.q17.MIioq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave - > I finished my Hieronymous plant growth > experiment, described in > www.svpvril.com/Hier.html, using metal > solar collectors. The seeds I planted didn't > sprout. Some other wild ones did, maybe a > day earlier in the box connected to the > solar electrode. But they did all poorly, > like from a lack of sunlight. I will redo > this in a month or so when there is more > sunlight here. Where are you? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 24 21:00:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05931; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:00:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CAC42C.676F@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:48:44 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: USA-TESLA@list.iex.net Subject: SALT PEPER OR ETHER Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1027116D74C4" Resent-Message-ID: <"9069L3.0.aS1.GRioq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1027116D74C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE number of coil discs reguided is unknown things need to be related to magnets ,I think with 6000 tesla things will get HOT but then wire size can go up from .125 at present went to town yesterday... car died rest in peace car abandoned to the main street and parking atendents with there blue books ,started the long walk home in the rain with a light load of weatbix and milk had'ent done so much walking in a long wile . 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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oK2gl3.0.op2.Aruoq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3479 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I heard that there was a water heater on Good Morning America recently > run by cold fusion. Is this true? A few months ago they had a report on the Patterson Power Cell. They seemed pretty impressed by it. It's a CF-type device using metallized polymer beads in a tube, and you pump water through the tube continuously. -- Excuse me, but I'm in the middle of fifteen things, all of them annoying. --Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 25 18:07:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01240; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:07:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:07:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:02:43 +1100 Message-Id: <199801260302.OAA19656@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Dan Larochelle where are you Resent-Message-ID: <"KBPUZ1.0.GJ.7_-oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3481 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:38 AM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: I have heard you have an new email address and hope this reaches you I have been in contact with J Naudin who would like a copy of the Hamel he seems to think you have. Could I also have a copy as well If any one else on this mewsgroup can I would be most helpful Geoff Egel Http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 25 18:13:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01908; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:13:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:13:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:09:08 +1100 Message-Id: <199801260309.OAA19699@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re:IS Hamel Saucer Light Field Deadly Resent-Message-ID: <"iXBGL2.0.iT.55_oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 06:38 PM 1/24/86 -0800, you wrote: >At 01:29 AM 1/24/98 +1100, you wrote: >>At 03:17 PM 1/20/98 EST, you wrote: >>>On 20/01/1998 15:11:22 , fearl@airmail.net a wrote: >>>Greetings all, >>> >>>Please note >>my website pages dealing with the hamel invention >>> >>http://www.geocities.com/ResaerchTriangle/Lab/1135 >> >>I am hoping that some one on the list may be able to give me some idea of >>the dangers if I build the 44 gallon drum version of the device. >> >>Apart from the danger of the drum flying apart. >>I am a little concern about the red light that is said be emitted from said >>device. >>If indeed it is radiated energy and if stories of UFO encounters are to be >>believed >>some eye witnesses have suffered from nasty radition burns. >> >>Does any one know have to prevent or lessen the risk to myself and any >>bystanders. >> >>and finally does anyone know how to add a electronic fail safe to device >>when it is >>said all normally electrical generation are said to fail in the presence >>of the Hamel Device when operation. >> >>Geoff >> > > I don't want to be a party pooper but take Mr. Hammels claims with a >grain of salt. I have met him and he is a nice guy,he lives on the border >of poverty and spends a lot of money on his project.He seems to sincerely >believe in what he is doing and should be commended for his dedication.My >only problem is that if I had built a device that took off into outer space >I would have built another one identical to it and tried to control it a >bit better or launch it in front of a respected group of observers. > I have just built another Hammel spinner and I am still facinated by the >way it works.I am trying to get it to self perpetuate. Damm it sure seems >like there is something there to work with. > > Woody > > >Thanks for your reply I know how you feel about something being there ready to be discovered. It like going in a darken room and you know there a light switch there somewhere but to find it is the problem Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 26 05:04:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26646; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:04:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:04:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CCA4CE.34A0@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:59:26 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Earth Energy Taps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KzyuL.0.EW6.Yd8pq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The following was posted on the KeelyNet-L discussion list; ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi Ken et al! Agreed. I loved your Freudian slip with this quote; > This is the proper way research projects should go... theory, > HYPNOSIS, experiment and results - then loop back around for > revisions. Precisely, HYPNOSIS, like the chickens hypnotized by the snake, we let ourselves get drawn by claims and cons; down into confusion until our time, efforts and in some cases, finances are beyond recovery. NO MORE !!! FOCUS! Take a stand and by god stick with it! Ok, I hesitated posting what some of us are planning until I could get these files posted, but they are now done. Check out; http://keelynet.com/energy/aethrtap.htm http://keelynet.com/energy/prentice.htm No one, to my knowledge has EVER tried to duplicate the Prentice patent. He clearly tells you his experiments and his results, claiming you could create a type of circulating earth current that could power a load. Remember Nathan Stubblefield....in his case, he buried dissimilar metal plates, facing each other, separated by distance. I am unclear at this moment if he strung connecting insulating wires over the distance, possibly not, though Prentice says you must (using his system). A few of us will do this project this summer. Notice he says you need a high voltage source to initialize the circulating current. We have several people in our Roundtable who have large areas of land that would let us do either 1/2 mile or 1 mile....we will videotape it and report fully on our failure...woops, damned hypnosis, SUCCESS!!! Onward and upward, we have work to do before the next millenium. --- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 26 10:56:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13837; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:55:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:55:57 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:51:03 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Is Tom Bearden statement correct? If so, the fun starts here! Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"mLoda.0.5O3.umDpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3484 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please look at web pages listed below and please give me your opinion about the part of the text that states that the COLLAPSE OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE COIL CAUSES THE STRENGTH OF THE POLE TO INCREASE FOR A SHORT TIME.
If this is true then there are many ways to build overunity electromagnetic motors that would run on their on power. It would also verify the statement of Joe Newman that the collapse of the magnetic field of the coil in his device causes the rotor magnet to accelerate. If this discription of the electromagnet operation in the wankel motor is correct, then we could build overunity devices with ease. I have a very high opinion of Mr. Bearden, but this discription of the wankel operation, if true, makes overunity operation childs play.
Please read the part about the sequence of events in the electromagnet and the increase in current and pole strength. If these statements are true, then overunity motors have been around a very long time.
This behavior in the electromagnet should be easy to verify with standard lab equipment (Any takers?).
The behavior should be common knowledge in the area of electromagnet design.
If this is true of the electromagnet in the wankel motor, then it is so clear that overunity operation is at hand.
Please comment after looking at these web pages.
Thanks,
Butch
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Figure 8 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 26 12:56:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07424; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:56:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:56:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:55:46 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: wind chill (Extreme!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"demLn3.0.vp1.VXFpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3485 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Would you be able to figure out the most possible extreme wind chill > factor > that might occur on earth If I gave you the following "Coldest" and most > extreme Wind? > Per: The National Geographic ATLAS of the World (revised 6th edition) pg > 102 > Antartica geography page. > > 1: there is an area called "Vostok (Russia)" were a record low > temperture of minus > 89.2c (-128.6 F) was recorded here on July 21, 1983. > ----- > 2: South of there, Commonwealth Bay, "A gale of cold air from the ice > plateau, > sometimes blowing at 300 km (180mi) an hour, makes this one of the > windiest > places on earth." q> > ---- > What is -128.6F with 180mph wind = Wind Chill?? it was off my little > chart. > > > Thanks for your expert_ice > -=se=- > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 26 16:27:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01049; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:27:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:27:13 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801270026.AA24105@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 17:22:15 -0500 To: Subject: Magnetic Motor Status Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3cwva2.0.GG.VdIpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3486 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, No runaway motor yet, but have finally figured out how to use the Quickfield software for generating some pretty pictures. Research update - Posted some Quickfield stuff on my WWW page. see: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Quickfield seems to show a SMOT-Like blue hole at the open flux-gate area. It also shows that when the flux-gate is closed [spoke across both magnets], that it substantially reduces the exit force. [and entry pull for that matter]. Basically seems to have good solid pull thru first part of magnet, then seems to shut off during the gating process. Does a mirror image of the exit process at the entry magnet array, but hopefully the torque differential [inner entry, outer exit] will minimize the magnetic field. Take a look at the page [or go directly to an animated GIF of a Quickfield sequence - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/flux-gate2.GIF] and tell me what you think. Looks to me like I'm heading in the right directions. Some explanation for the animated GIF [because my WWW site is poorly organized and my HTML sucks]: Magnets are solid verticle bars on sides [alinco]. Orientation is opposing [N-N] to the channel formed between the magnets. The horizontal bars are steel rods, and represent the nails/spokes of my prototype. Can only do 2D with Quickfield, so hopefully the graphs apply to spokes in my wheel. The direction of movement is downwards....and at the end, the last bar is rotated back to the top. Here's some more things I've found. The spiral array I first proposed does not seem necessary -- With only two magnets....outer edge/inner edge arranged in the flux-gate configuration....I can still get rotation of several nails [partly populated disk]. This is with the disk flat [horizontal]-- not gravity induced motion. Still working on magnet placement, so have not got rotation with a full load of nails. Not sure why, but the "sweet-spot" for rotation seems to be difficult to find. Will need to have more time for some tests. Hope you all are not getting bored with my progress reports -- Let me know if it's making your eyes roll back into their sockets :>> I want all the research I do to be documented and reviewed by others. This will be a gift to the public domain if anything is usable. Anton Rager Magnetic Motor Research http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com arager@idcomm.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 26 23:11:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11969; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:11:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:11:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:09:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801270709.XAA11252@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Hieronymous plant growth experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"5m2T7.0.rw2.OYOpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3487 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, At 06:50 PM 1/24/98 -1000, Rick wrote: >Dave - > > > I finished my Hieronymous plant growth > > experiment, described in > > www.svpvril.com/Hier.html, using metal > > solar collectors. The seeds I planted didn't > > sprout. Some other wild ones did, maybe a > > day earlier in the box connected to the > > solar electrode. But they did all poorly, > > like from a lack of sunlight. I will redo > > this in a month or so when there is more > > sunlight here. > >Where are you? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > Southern California, near the coast. There has been a lot of sun this last week. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 27 10:52:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03562; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:49:40 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Subject: Is Tom Bearden statement correct? If so, the fun starts here! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"_Dmx02.0.Tt.yoYpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3489 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please look at web pages listed below and please give me your opinion about the part of the text that states that the COLLAPSE OF THE MAGNETIC FIELDOF THE COIL CAUSES THE STRENGTH OF THE POLE TO INCREASE FOR A SHORT TIME. If this is true then there are many ways to build overunity electromagnetic motors that would run on their on power. It would also verify the statement of Joe Newman that the collapse of the magnetic field of the coil in his device causes the rotor magnet to accelerate. If this discription of the electromagnet operation in the wankel motor is correct, then we could build overunity devices with ease. I have a very high opinion of Mr. Bearden, but this discription of the wankel operation, if true, makes overunity operation childs play. Please read the part about the sequence of events in the electromagnet and the increase in current and pole strength. If these statements are true, then overunity motors have been around a very long time. This behavior in the electromagnet should be easy to verify with standard lab equipment (Any takers?). The behavior should be common knowledge in the area of electromagnet design. If this is true of the electromagnet in the wankel motor, then it is so clear that overunity operation is at hand. Please comment after looking at these web pages. Thanks, Butch http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/p18.htm http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/fig8.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 27 11:26:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09989; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <48cf21c5.34ce331b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:18:50 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Has anyone built a Magnetic Wankel? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZHWJa2.0.xR2.XJZpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3490 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know if anyone on the list has built, or knows of someone that has built a Magnetic Wankel? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 27 12:46:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21557; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:46:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:46:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CE4727.79BC@post3.tele.dk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:44:23 +0100 From: Martin Bech Reply-To: ms-bech@post3.tele.dk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone built a Magnetic Wankel? References: <48cf21c5.34ce331b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UEFO6.0.hG5.RUapq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3491 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte wrote: > > Does anyone know if anyone on the list has built, or knows of someone that has > built a Magnetic Wankel? > Thanks, > Butch Hi, I actually tried to build one. I put a perfectly round new (and expensive) racerbike wheel in the center of a big wooden plate, in wich i had first made a "spiral" hole. Along the sides of this hole i placed about 120 magnets, and first one, later more magnets on the wheel. Only to find out, that I had read the measurement wrong. I had made the distance from the wheel to the magnets 10 times bigger than I should have... But, I´m going to build it again, as soon as I can find myself a new place to live. (Got kicked out by my girlfriend, sniff sniff) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 27 15:57:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16381; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:56:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:56:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199801272356.PAA19391@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:56:41 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone built a Magnetic Wankel? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"r59jh3.0.k_3.4Hdpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3492 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I worked with it several times. I did it a bit differently by mounting the magnets on a wooden wheel. These magnets started at one point and continued around like a spiral getting a little closer to center when the final magnet met the first, It was about an half inch closer to the center. Center was a shaft placed in bearings. You could hold a magnet to this and the wheel would rotate around until it reached the point where it had to over come the first magnet farthest from the center .This wheel would keep spinning if you pulled the magnet away and then placed back right at that first point.Thats where the electric magnet would come in and pull or push the magnet to restart it over. I did not try that for I wanted a true magnet motor without any added help.My thinking,as is many others who have tryed,is that the distance of the traval of the wheel could be tapped somehow machanically to restart it or to restart a second wheel, or that different wheels together would force each other to restart.I found very little strengh in it even though I did use very strong magnets.Now as far as doing it with an electric magnet,yes I think it is possible,but a few things to think about, you get one rotation of the wheel before its restarted by an electric pulse.Would that one rotation be enough to generate enough power to start it again, or a second wheel, if it was connected to some sort of generator.From a book called,The Free-Energy Device Handbook by David Hatcher Childress, the device is called,the Kure-Tekko magnetic motor, sometimes referred as the "Magnetic Wankel." There is just one page mentioning it . Hope I helped.(RB) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 27 16:03:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19650; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:03:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:03:44 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:49:22 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is Tom Bearden statement correct? If so, the fun starts here! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"hrmlq3.0.no4.RNdpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3493 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-27 13:54:55 EST, you write: << Please comment after looking at these web pages. Thanks, Butch http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/p18.htm >> Just a couple comments on this page: the electromagnet is said to be weakly activated and then the "collapsing field is highly amplified". In conventional theory, when the electrical circuit is broken, the field can only decrease (there is a significant voltage from the di/dt but the field only decreases). The net result, it would appear, is that the energy used to magnetize the coil, minus the energy you get back as the field decays, would equaly the mechanical work done (neglecting losses). Obviously I have not done a detailed analysis, but I see no good reason why this would not be true. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 27 22:54:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21901; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:53:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:53:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CEEFA1.219F@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:43:13 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Interesting exercise References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oZeo4.0.-L5.gNjpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3494 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts John et al! John Schnurer wrote; > Take your DVM and connect it to the input of the op amp. Change > for different settings. Investigate all of scales that do not > measure resistance.---------------------- Reminds me of some fellows who spoke at a Tesla conference several years ago. Their talk was for the last slot on Sunday, about 5PM. Usually at conferences, people start leaving early to fly back home on Sunday so they can be back to work on Monday. I had taken off that Monday so I could stay. These guys said they had found that by injecting various frequencies in wire or into cooling conductive materials, that paths were setup which would have unusually low resistances. They said even overunity was possible but would not say onstage that they had succeeded. Later, I cornered a couple of them and asked a few questions. They would give no further details, so I figured if I gave them some info, they might 'trade out' in exchange...so I started talking about Keely's idea of graduation to produce this 'harmonizing' effect...a kind of low order Bose Einstein Condensate, where all atoms and molecules of a mass are 'biased' or polarized in the same direction, kind of like inducing a crystalline lattice structure on the molecular level. They looked at me very suspiciously, like I had read their private papers or something, and ran away...I called Dan the next day and told him he'd missed this most interesting presentation....although the presenters would give no further details they did say they were working on patents. Something else that makes this interesting....the idea of having an AC supply that is 'tuned' to the load might be further improved if the wire was tuned to further lower resistance, inductance and capacitance. When capacitive reactance = inductive reactance, we have resonance, so electric resistance and magnetic resistance cancel out at that frequency. Alexander Frolov speaks of this and the use of an Avramenko plug so that only one wire is needed for power transmission. For more detail, see; http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.txt -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 04:56:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29892; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:56:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:56:23 -0800 Message-ID: <34CF283F.3084@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:44:47 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: USA-TESLA@list.iex.net Subject: web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BlapJ3.0.nI7.rhopq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3495 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A great bloke Arno Jones 95 R1100RSL (Big Banana) 97 T595 (Bat-Cycle) http://www.primenet.com/~rags/ has kindly provided and setup web space for me at http://www.primenet.com/~rags/tesla/rr.html -- some new shots on the cross I think thats going to last the test of time . I'm still finishing off design on BIG U ROUNDABOUT COILS they look awesome i got quite a shock when I zoomed out after a few hours work and add a lot off extra power for less hacksaw work the RRAMME really is gona smoke when he's old enough . still waiting for some good magnets to arrive i'm spending to match time designing improving testing ideas and word smithing I suppose the cheque bounced I've constructed all the parts seen better ways tried them and still theres new better ways just becouse some thing works well its not enough it needs to go as well as it can **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electric Gen*Anti gravity drive mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 07:11:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15231; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:11:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:11:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34CF4B16.8F27436C@midusa.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:13:26 -0600 From: Jon Flickinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Quickfield 4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jw-tq1.0.uj3.mgqpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3496 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All: Please note that Tor has a new update of Quickfield to 4.0 for Win 95/NT at http://www.tor.ru/quickfield with some example problems at http://www.tor.ru/quickfield/advanced Ease of use and some new features are evident in this student shareware version with limited mesh capability. jf From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 08:24:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA30970; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:23:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:23:53 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801281623.AA21633@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:10:36 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Quickfield 4.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aRNYi.0.oZ7.Nkrpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3497 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, JF Wrote, >Please note that Tor has a new update of Quickfield to 4.0 for Win >95/NT at > >http://www.tor.ru/quickfield Also note that the Quickfield 4.0 NT/95 has the following limits: 1 - Only runs in Win95 or WinNT 4.0+ -- Won't run in WinNT 3.51. 2 - Has a 200 node mesh limit [vs 500 node mesh limit for DOS version] 3 - Colors are more difficult to distinguish with charts What this means -- This version won't work with Greg Watson's example fields. [SMOT stuff has around 400+ nodes] I looked at the 4.0 version, but because of the above limitations/changes I'm sticking with the DOS version for now -- It runs fine in Win95, NT, Win3.1, or DOS....And produces prettier pictures. Along the same lines, anyone know of a similar type package that will do similar magnetic modeling in 3D? I am _very_ flexible with the OS....have NT, Windows, Win95, Linux, Solaris......Would prefer something Linux/X based with sources. I really need to see some other views besides what I can kludge into 2D drawings. Anton Rager Magnetic Motor Research http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/torque-motor.html Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com [WK] arager@idcomm.com [HM] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 08:39:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01951; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:39:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:39:07 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801281623.AA21633@interlock.mgh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:38:24 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Quickfield 4.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rhJeV.0.JU.fyrpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3498 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 9:10 AM -0500 1/28/98, arager@mcgraw-hill.com wrote: > Along the same lines, anyone know of a similar type package that will > do similar magnetic modeling in 3D? I am _very_ flexible with the > OS....have NT, Windows, Win95, Linux, Solaris......Would prefer > something Linux/X based with sources. try the Scientific Applications on Linux page... (http://sal.kachinatech.com/) there is something called Emu/FTDT, that is a 3D maxwell solver. lots of other stuff, too... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 09:08:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10927; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:08:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:08:33 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:38:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Is Tom Bearden statement correct? If so, the fun starts here! Message-ID: <19980128.120007.6446.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10,12-22,25-26,30-32 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"KpPvB1.0.cg2.GOspq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3499 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:51:03 EST HLafonte@aol.com writes: >Please look at web pages listed below and please give me your >opinion >about the part of the text that states that the COLLAPSE OF THE >MAGNETIC FIELD >OF THE COIL CAUSES THE STRENGTH OF THE POLE TO INCREASE FOR A SHORT >TIME.
> If this is true then there are many ways to build overunity >electromagnetic motors that would run on their on power. It would also verify the >statement of Joe Newman that the collapse of the magnetic field of the coil in his >device causes the rotor magnet to accelerate. >Please comment after looking at these web pages.
>HREF="http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/p18.htm">page >18 >mwe
> HREF="http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/fig8.htm">Figure >8 > I looked at this article earlier, it was too big for me to print out at the time. Not long ago I posted about Wayne Green test driving the motorbike in England. May be prudent for me to take a second look. A good portion of Bearden's info is actually in the "foot notes" of his articles....not to mention he normally has excellent references to mainstream journals (how he finds time to research these articles I'll never know). Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 10:23:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA30487; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:23:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:23:24 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:23:07 -0800 Subject: testatika and capacitor anomolies Message-ID: <19980128.102308.3454.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 43,49-51,55-56,63-64,75-78,81-82,85-86,88-89,100, 103-104,107-108,113-114,117-120 Resent-Message-ID: <"fCEWR3.0.FS7.RUtpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3500 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:53:48 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes:>Also, I wonder if you couldn't use an electret in a capacitor to force a>rather high set point. Couldn't you then discharge it repeatedly, and >each time it would tend to spring back to that set point - provided the >leads had easy access to a reservoir of charge like you usually have in the >air of ordinary environments?>>- Rick Monteverde>Honolulu, HIHi Rick,This is what intrigues me about the Testatika machine. How about a Wimhurst generator to stimulate the creation of a some extra air ions ?Dr. Pappas, a friend of Stephan Marinov seemed to think that electrets were involved in the testatika machine. Other sources such have said that the alternating plates of what looks like perforated aluminum and copper are used in the large leyden jars and in the between the blocks of what looks like plexiglass between the poles of two horse shoe magnets. See the web page:< http://members.tripod.com/~kilowattfree/ >for some good pictures and diagrams.According to the author of this page, an experiment was shown to a visitor by Paul Baumann the inventor of the Testatika and leader of the Christian community Methernitha. The experiment is basically to place a block of plexiglass or some other clear plastic with a piece of aluminum on one side and copper (or brass) on the other. This capacitor was between the poles of a horse-shoe magnet. When a DVM was connected across the plates it showed 700 volts. The magnet had a coil on it also. Paul Baumann reportedly told the visitor that if you could understand this experiment you would have the key to the testatika. It seems likely that the plastic block was an electret. Seems like an easy experiment to try. Hmmm, It might be worthwhile to use a high voltage power supply to try making some electrets. What do you think Rick ? Your rock experiments might we be related to this.I reserve some skepticism for testatika but I think it is well worth further investigation. Some interesting facts related to testatika that can be found on the internet:The inventor claimed he first started work on its principle 20 years before 1989. I presume 1969.The inventor and other members involved, claim testatika works by the same principle as gives rise to lightning in a rain storm. They claim it works by drawing charges from ions in the surrounding air.( I know that rain drops are charged, because when it start to rain my long wire antennas really put out some sparks. I fried a radio this way. There was no lightning at the time and the coax cable just kept sparking. I know that this is not a smart to build antennas, I did this on purpose for an experiment ala Dr. Moray)One disk of the testatika Wimhurst generator is called cloud and the other is called ground.The leyden jars use perforated sheet metal or screens and appear to be made of aluminum and copper.Some say there are transformers inside the large leyden jars. Stepdown I presume.But this is not certain. There are at least two small and simpler testatika machine that are about the size of a breadbox and produce ( it is claimed) 300 watts. The most famous machine is larger ( 70 cm wide by 40 cm deep by 60 cm tall) and is claimed to produce 3000 watts continuously. There also pictures of a 10 kw and 30 kw version. See web page above and also search with < www.hotbot.com > with keyword "TESTATIKA". The testatika puts out more power on dry days than humid days. The testatika is said to cool the air around it when it is operating. To me this suggests that it is cohering thermal fluctuation energy from the surrounding air molecules. Perhaps it is robbing kinetic energy from charged ions. Unfortunately, there is a lack of details when it come to testing. Both the late Stephan Marinov and a fellow named Albert Hauser from Denmark who sent me some pictures and drawing he made, said they tested the testatika and were convinced that it was really was a free energy (perpetual motion machine). I know that the testatika would like up 1000 watt light bulbs and so forth, but for how long ? Some tests of 5 hours are mentioned but testing details are sparce. Some things that do NOT lend credibility to testatika are the facts that Paul Baumann was in jail for 5 years on charges of having sex with underage girls. A charge that Stephan Marinov, a member of the commune said was a false accusation as do other members of the commune. Also Stephan Marinov did commit suicide by jumping off the second story of a library. He left a letter, called his "Last Scientific Testament" that made it clear that it was not a homicide as some have conjectured. Apparently, Stephan was despondent over the fact that his theory of electrodynamics was proven wrong by an experiment that he himself helped conduct with another physicist. He also apparently suffered from depression. see the web page: < www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_5_5_2.html > for details on this. Did Stephan Marinov really test the testatika well enough to establish that there was no possibility of hidden batteries or other power sources ? If any one has a copy of Stephan Marinov's book, "The Thorny Way of Truth, Vol.6 ", I would very much like to know what it says about the testatika. I think it would be interesting and worthwhile to visit Linden and Methernitha. It would probably be interesting to talk to the locals. Apparently the Methernitha have not shown testatika since late 1980's. This also does not bode well for it's credibility, however I have a copy of a letter that might also explain this without discrediting testatika. A letter from Hans Nieper, a german doctor famous for his unconventional cancer treatments and interest in exotic technology, to Don Kelly, dated June 18, 1989 said "It is, however correct that the Methernitha people have invited several directors of leading Swiss banks to inspect the running and functioning technologies of the converter (testatika). This has resulted in major concerns on the swiss bank levels since it makes nuclear and also fossil energy energy outdated - somewhen, but it will happen." and in another letter Nieper says that as a result of these meetings consequences will surely follow. It makes me wonder if the "bankers" gave Methernitha and Paul Baumann an "offer they could'nt refuse." Perhaps the principle of testatika is the same as the "radiant energy device" of Dr. T H Moray. It also produced ozone, "ran cool", used ionized gasses, and used very high voltages. If the testatika is really what Methernitha claims, the underlying principle is probably simple and obvious (after you understand it), but the practical application becomes somewhat more complicated in the same way that "burning and expanding gasses can push on things" is the principle of an internal combustion engine. Is there anyone in this group or otherwise that has actually seen the testatika and tested it ? I would be very interested in your additional comments. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 12:51:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00735; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:50:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: "Stefan Hartmann" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Townsend Brown Antigravity confirmed ! Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:54:14 +0100 Message-Id: <19980128215414.2bc73224.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id MAA00626 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wic-r.0.MB.Qevpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3501 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi guys, yeasterday I accidently watched TV and say an episode from the series "future fantastic" (produced by the BBC) or how it was called and they also spoke about Antigravity. There they have shown some video clips from Townsend Brown ´s experiments from his 1950ies work e.g. a capacitor which lifted up into the room. Also there was talk, that in the 50ies the NASA did not pay much attention to it and now again a NASA guy is researching the thing and he was interviewed and told the reporter, that the effect is there and that it is true antigravity and that he is going on to enhance it. SO it looks Jean Louis is on the right track ! :) Regards, STefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 12:56:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01759; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:55:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801282054.AA11606@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 13:46:35 -0500 To: Subject: VCR tape as a battery?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LCOWF.0.HR.1jvpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3502 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Check out: http://www.webads.gr/commerce/pps/pps.htm Interesting link that I found today -- Here's someone with an idea of using a VRC tape as a battery.....by recording sawtooth waveforms and a specially designed head. Claims output [per head] is around 10/12V and 1.5 amps continous...Output is much greater than power needed for motor...Also claims multiple heads could be used to increase output even more. What's the consensus? A - would this work? B - could it be O/U? Anton Rager Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 13:16:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12954; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:15:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:15:59 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <9a96acd3.34cf9d65@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:04:35 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Subject: Can Quickfield prove Tom Bearden Correct !!!? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"WgK4r2.0.5A3.90wpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3503 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lets prove a very profound theory! Can anyone out there use Quickfield to see if Tom Bearden's statement that when a electro-magnet's circuit is opened in a quick fashion, that a " very high potential will appear at the end of the coil as the collapsing field is highly amplified and trying to sustain the previous current in it's previous direction". He goes on to say that the result is the formation of a strong magnetostatic scalar potential (pole), of north polarity, on the stator polepiece facing the rotor. See the papers on this by Mr. Bearden at http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/p18.htm,and http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/fig8.htm The motor operation would not be needed in the simulation. An electro- magnet with a collapsing field (very rapid collapse) would be all that is needed to prove this theory. If the theory is proved, then this would be a very exciting discovery. If a web site is needed I will offer my site. Any takers for this very important test? This would have far reaching implications! Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 13:42:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08628; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:41:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:41:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128153245.006a3a88@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:32:45 -0600 To: From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: VCR tape as a battery?! In-Reply-To: <199801282054.AA11606@interlock.mgh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o_ukN2.0.g62.ZOwpq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3504 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Howdy, all... At 13:46 1/28/98 -0500, arager@mcgraw-hill.com wrote: > What's the consensus? > > A - would this work? > B - could it be O/U? A - No. B - No. I generally don't dismiss an idea out of hand as preposterous... but I'll make an exception in this case. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 14:23:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA32336; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:23:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:23:20 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801282223.AA27202@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 15:18:31 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Can Quickfield prove Tom Bearden Correct !!!? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dZKke1.0.zu7.M_wpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3505 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, >Lets prove a very profound theory! >Can anyone out there use Quickfield to see if Tom Bearden's statement >that when a electro-magnet's circuit is opened in a quick fashion, >that a " very high potential will appear at the end of the coil as >the collapsing field is highly amplified and trying to sustain the >previous current in it's previous direction". He goes on to say that >the result is the formation of a strong magnetostatic scalar >potential (pole), of north polarity, on the stator polepiece facing >the rotor. Read thru the article -- and missed the profound part....aside for the fact that Bearden is saying that there is a lag time for the magnetic field to be produced. [I think that's what he means...hard for me to tell with his terminology of "magnetostatic scalar potential] I think all he is saying is that a small current could be applied for a very brief interval, and the resultant magnetic field would be more powerful than the applied current interval. I may be misunderstanding it..... So -- in any case, this does not seem to be something Quickfield is useful for. QField is not the right tool. A - does not know how to graph/represent magnetostatic scalar potentials [as far as I know] B - it's a snapshot tool -- no realtime/animated kinda stuff. With a coil you either have it on or off with QField. This is uncharted territory, so to my knowledge there are not tools that can really visualize/duplicate this effect. If what Bearden says is correct, perhaps a FET and a coil with a breaker could verify it. This is similar to what Greg Watson and the TEP project are trying to do -- small/fast pulsewidths, and capturing effects of resultant field with a secondary coil. Their results are intriguing.....but the real challenge seems to be getting the pulsewidths small enought [<40ns] see: http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm and http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/pmod.html What bearden is describing seems to be similar. Anton Rager Denver,CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 14:42:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07274; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:42:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:42:20 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <8abda09d.34cfb1f0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:32:14 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Subject: Mr. Bearden:Radial & tangential, work in one, not other? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"fLSBq.0.Sn1.BHxpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3506 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mr. Bearden states in his paper that, work isn' t done in radial direction because there is no movement of rotor or electro-magnet in that mode. Then he says that went the magnetostatic scalar potential is equal or greater than point 1 (start of stator) the rotor can move to point one, but no work is done! How can rotor be pushed but no work be done? He states that in the tangential mode no work is done moving the rotor to point one by the electro- magnet. How is this possible? Someone please explain this to me! Force over distance, but no work? Thanks, Butch Bearden Paper is at:http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/bearden/mageng/p18.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 14:49:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09722; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:49:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:49:27 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:41:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Chris Tinsley's capacitor experiments Message-ID: <19980128.144148.3454.3.tv@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980126114627.00aa52c0@spectre.mitre.org> <3.0.1.32.19980128154753.00c0c290@spectre.mitre.org> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-15,17-21,23-24,28-29,31-34,36-37,40-45,47-48,50-53 Resent-Message-ID: <"J0UZu.0.aN2.oNxpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3507 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim ( tv@juno.com ) >At 08:12 PM 1/26/98 -0800, Tim D Vaughan wrote: >>Are you saying that an electret with metal plates on both sides would >>buid up charge and then could be discharched repeatedly ? > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:47:53 -0500 "Robert I. Eachus" writes: > Almost by definition. Electrets are popular in headphones and >microphones, since they are lighter than magnets. > >> What is the source of energy ? > > The source of energy is the movement of the screwdriver (or >whatever you use to complete the circut) in the electric field. No magic here, >just classic physics. > Robert I. Eachus > It is possible to build a switch that requires very little energy to close. However, I would think by conventional physical wisdom that the only way you could use a an electret to produce current pulse would be to charge capacitor plates by induction. In other words do the following operations: 1. Move the capacitor plates close to the charged surfaces of the electret on opposite sides of the electret. (The elecret will pull the plate toward it due to induced charge) 2. Connect the plates to a source of charge, such as the earth and or an antenna. 3. Pull the plates away from the charged surface (this requires work because the plates are attracted to the surfaces of the electret, even more than before) 4. Discharge the plates and utilize the energy gained. 5. Start the cycle over again. Classicly, this is not a free energy scheme. it converts mechanical work to electrical energy. However, what if electric fields on metals could extract energy from the kinetic energy of ions ? Tim ( tv@juno.com ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 15:10:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17648; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:10:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:10:27 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801282310.AA03685@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 16:03:35 -0500 To: Subject: back EMF and magnetic fields Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D_pCF1.0.SJ4.Uhxpq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3508 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, Question for the list -- does back EMF from a ferrite coil also produce a reversed magnetic polarity? Anton Rager arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 18:09:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25782; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:09:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:09:23 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <145d9f8.34cfe3f7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:05:41 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Boy is this a fun magnet question ! Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_886039541_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"7CCtU3.0.kI6.GJ-pq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3509 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_886039541_boundary Content-ID: <0_886039541@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ok, hold on for this one, What if you had a 2 pound rare earth magnet. you place this magnet above a second rare earth magnet that is 5 miles long, with an air gap of .1 mm at the start and 5 mm at the end. It wants to move from the small gap to the large gap as it would in the magnetic wankel motor. What speed would the 2 pound magnet be going when it got to the end of the 5 mile long straight magnet? In the calculation leave out aerodymanic drag and any friction. Would the speed at the end be the same for any length lower magnet or does it get higher as the lower magnet get longer? 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freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I used the wrong setting on the first "fun magnet question" post and my gif file came out to 260000 bytes. Sorry guys. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 19:13:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09248; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:12:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:12:52 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <8494ef8a.34cfe55d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:11:39 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: back EMF and magnetic fields Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"jakIV3.0.PG2.oE_pq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3511 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-28 18:18:19 EST, you write: << Question for the list -- does back EMF from a ferrite coil also produce a reversed magnetic polarity? Anton Rager >> I believe it is kind of the other way around: the changing total magnetic field produces a back EMF. And the direction of the EMF is such that it opposes the change in the magnetic field. So far as I know, the type of core or lack thereof does not change that. (Note that the polarity of the magnetic field does not determine the direction -or polarity- of the EMF, it is the change). Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 22:32:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07400; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:32:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:32:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34D03D46.329C@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:26:46 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: BAT Info X-URL: http://internetstockmarket.com/news/index.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"605Al.0.Vp1.h92qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3512 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Recently, someone posted a note about BAAT Corporation successfully achieving 92 mpg from a bolt on engine modification. I haven't seen anyone post any further info, so here is a short description that includes the URL for their homepage... ~ PUBLIC OFFERINGS ~ CAPITAL REQUESTS IN EXCESS OF $250 MILLION ~ BAT Battery Automated Transportation $ 10,000,000.00 Contact: Bill Wason or Mike Jensen both of BAT International, tel Burbank, California 001 818 565-5555. This URL has a short description and includes the BAAT URL http://www.internetstockexchange.net/corpprof/b/baat.html -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 22:44:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22328; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:44:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:44:03 -0800 Message-ID: <34D022BC.B2B4BD2@wishingtree.com.sg> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:33:32 +0800 From: The Wishing Tree Reply-To: wish@wishingtree.com.sg Organization: The Wishing Tree X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-pisg081997 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: BAT Info References: <34D03D46.329C@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a7TCo3.0.fS5.nK2qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3513 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe KeelyNet-L unsubscribe vortex-l From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 23:14:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12455; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:14:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <4ed4a513.34d02bcb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:12:09 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: VCR tape as a battery?! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"me8SK2.0.V23.1n2qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3514 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << > A - would this work? > B - could it be O/U? A - No. B - No. :-) Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 28 23:16:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27306; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:16:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:16:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:16:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801290716.XAA09522@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Boy is this a fun magnet question ! Resent-Message-ID: <"BGJID1.0.Zg6.Cp2qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:05 PM 1/28/98 EST, you wrote: >Content-ID: <0_886039541@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Ok, hold on for this one, > What if you had a 2 pound rare earth magnet. you place this magnet above a >second rare earth magnet that is 5 miles long, with an air gap of .1 mm at the >start and 5 mm at the end. It wants to move from the small gap to the large >gap as it would in the magnetic wankel motor. What speed would the 2 pound >magnet be going when it got to the end of the 5 mile long straight magnet? In >the calculation leave out aerodymanic drag and any friction. Would the speed >at the end be the same for any length lower magnet or does it get higher as >the lower magnet get longer? >See attached gif for illustration I quess you take a fixed amount of energy from magnetic to kinetic with the gap changing from 0.1 to 5mm, and that energy will determine the final velocity. 0.5*M*V^2. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 01:10:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10786; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:10:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:10:22 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980128.102308.3454.0.tv@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:10:32 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Resent-Message-ID: <"M49sO1.0.Re2.zT4qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim - > What do you think Rick ? Well it's all interesting of course (testatika), but I'm completely in the dark here. I recently spent some time building and testing a rather convoluted screwball 'thermometer' made out of capacitors in my quest for understanding. The only real I understanding I got out of it is how ridiculously ignorant I am about these things. I also hear that rocks and clays are very complex things that seem to provide even very sophisticated scientists a few surprises and mysteries, so that's a whole 'nother thing. As for the testatika story of the plastic block and the plates and the magnet with a coil, jeez. Sounds like nothing, you know? How is the magnet oriented relative to the plates on the acrylic? Why would it even matter? Is the acrylic thick between the plates? Here's a story I read, someone might be able to verify it. Teacher's trick with capacitors showing that energy is stored in the dielectric and not the plates. Charge up a capacitor that can be easily disassembled. Demo the charge with a VM, then take the cap apart. Check the plates for charge, ground them, touch them together, etc. No charge. Is the ordinary dielectric now a temporary electret? That's where the energy's hiding. Put the cap back together and the charge reappears back on the plates. Perfectly conventional but kind of weird, huh? We're soaking in charge and charge carriers, and that's not *even* ZPE, just charge, fields, and currents in the air around us or under our feet. The energy is enormous. We're like people dying of thirst in the middle of an ocean of clean fresh water, groping for energy like we are. I hope the testatika is real, even though it sounds like a bunch of hokum. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 01:39:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13904; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:39:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:39:40 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:39:49 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: test, ignore Resent-Message-ID: <"1flDK1.0.6P3.Rv4qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry, had to try this. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 01:47:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15257; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:47:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: <34D03512.2105@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:51:46 -0800 From: Wm Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9tPLo2.0.9k3.L05qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am recently new to the list, and have recently come across a wealth of new info, and am interested in experimenting with some of it. The thing that stuck out in my mind most was the page about Gravity Wave Detector Circuits. This article pointed out the fact that gravitational effects are experienced instantaneously. If is the case, then if the Space Warp Capacitor is purportedly capable of generating gravitational distortions, wouldn't it be possible to modulate some kind of communications signal (i.e. Digital Data, Voice, etc.) onto the Warp Capacitor, and a receiving (detector) station would receive the gravitational distortions, presumably anywhere in the universe, for Instantaneous Universal Communications? If this question seems out of line, I apologize. William Perry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 03:34:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08662; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:34:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:34:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:28:00 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"XTAMw3.0.D72.Lb6qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3519 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Rick Monteverde wrote: -snip- > > Here's a story I read, someone might be able to verify it. Teacher's trick > with capacitors showing that energy is stored in the dielectric and not the > plates. Charge up a capacitor that can be easily disassembled. Demo the > charge with a VM, then take the cap apart. Check the plates for charge, > ground them, touch them together, etc. No charge. Is the ordinary > dielectric now a temporary electret? That's where the energy's hiding. Put > the cap back together and the charge reappears back on the plates. > Perfectly conventional but kind of weird, huh? > > We're soaking in charge and charge carriers, and that's not *even* ZPE, > just charge, fields, and currents in the air around us or under our feet. -snip- reference an earlier post about making ones capacitors using pvc pipe and "black" constuction-site roll poly..... ----------- Understood: your not saying where/why ZPE comes from, but, If one were to use less length (metal) of wrap in their "stuff it all in the pipe" capacitor AND MORE dielectric (electret) plastic... one should get a GREATER charge differential?? --- ----------- So, fifty feet (50') of metal seperated by 1 sheet (x ply) would be LESS Rolled up in a capacitor roll and stuck in the tubing: , THAN fifty feet(50') of metal seperated by 2,3,4 (x ply) of dielectric, But the multiple should/would have MORE (ionic)charge for USE. seems backwards, but I love the inverse of everything :) ----------- This is pointed to resistence extreme! (or storage EXTREME!:) I like it! This would explain the plates buried in earth at a distance -or- the ground to cloud discussions recently. ----------- I have thought that the 'earth' GROUND would also need/HAVE a buffer area of about 50'-200' depending on geo-terrian (dielectric resistance) depending on hard-rock,sand,water(exception) or lack of humidity. Best. ---------- A 'Deeply' planted (steel bed matress or solid plate) should be isloated and connected to 'load' from a NON-grounded FENCE (long)... (like your comb antenna suggestion).. the stored (retrievable) energy should be enormous if not a GREAT Lightning ROD for the area :) ----------- The dielectric (earth) should keep providing ions as long as it keeps turning (day-night) producing friction in the incoming aether (space) Thoughts? understood HV extreme exist's here, It's not nice to fool mother nature,, but if we get 1,000 of lightning strikes a second (world wide) ... why not use 'em :) (the differential)? -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 04:09:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14210; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:08:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:08:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34D07122.982C81DD@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:08:10 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: I need a switch can you help? IMPORTANT! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-nG2w.0.sT3.F57qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3520 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I need a *switching device sometimes called a "chopper" that has low resistance that can take more that 1 amp (I really need about 10 amps) and an adjustable frequency, I would like a range of at least 50>100hz but I am flexible and I really need an adjustable pulse width or one that is open about half the time. This is a very important part of a promising experiment I am trying, If you know of a place that makes such a switching device or of a model number ot anything please respond, I need a current that seems far to high for a 555 circuit or anything that I know like it and so I am expecting a rotating switch is what I will find. If you have any ideas of how I could make one, know were I should look or what I should by please respond. * A component of a circuit that will make and break the circuit so that a pulsed DC will result from a constant voltage source. Thank you in advance, John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 04:19:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16501; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:19:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CBT From: "Scott Pennington" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: <8525659B.0043C83D.00@cinbell.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: VCR tape as a battery?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4as9l2.0.i14.pE7qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: TOTAL B.S. Scott Pennington Specialist - Integrated Planning - SE IOF, SYNC, etc. 513 397-5876 spennington@cinbell.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 06:19:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09113; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:18:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:18:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801291414.JAA12251@gateway.minimal.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:14:04 -0500 From: rmuha@minimal.com (ralph muha) To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [from s.p.r] Gravity with quaternions Organization: minimal, limited Resent-Message-ID: <"5FG2n1.0._D2.x-8qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: : From: sweetser@world.std.com (Doug B Sweetser) : Newsgroups: sci.physics.research : Subject: Gravity with quaternions : Date: 28 Jan 1998 18:52:07 -0800 : : Hello: : : In this post, I will propose a new theory of gravity based on : quaternion operators and potentials. Because the constraints on any : theory of gravity are so tight, I feel I have no choices to make, just : tight spots to slip through. Some of the consequences will be : examined that make this proposal different from general relativity : even in the classical region (good-bye dark matter??). : : A proposal for gravity should satisfy the following three constraints: : : 1. For a classical point mass, reduces to Newton's : law of gravity, F = - G m m'/r^2. : 2. The form should be manifestly covariant under a Lorentz : transformation. : 3. The law should work with quantum mechanics. : : Electromagnetism can pass through classical, relativistic, and : quantum constraints. Therefore, to achieve similar goals, a theory of : gravity could clone the structure of electromagnetic theory to the : letter. The laws governing electromagnetism--the Lorentz force and : the Maxwell equations--can be written as operators acting on the : same 4-potential. : : The Lorentz force : : F = e ([d/dt, Del]* (phi, A)* (g, gb)* - (g, gb)* [d/dt, Del](phi, A))/2 : ------------ ------- ------- ----------- : : = e (-gb.dA/dt - gb.Del phi, -g dA/dt - g Del phi + gbx(DelxA)) : : : The Maxwell equations : : [(d/dt, Del)^2 + (d/dt, Del)*^2] (phi, A)/2 : -------------------------------- : : = (d^2 phi/dt^2 - Del^2 phi - Del.(DelxA), : d^2 A /dt^2 + Delx(DelxA) - Del(Del.A) + Delx(Del phi)) : : = (d^2 phi/dt^2 - Del^2 phi, d^2 A/dt^2 - Del^2 A) : : = (rho, J) c = 1 : : If the underlined operators act on a different potential, then : equations with the same properties would be created that apply to : that different potential. : : A potential for gravity should satisfy the following three constraints. : : 1. Apply to all particles, including light, reducing to : mass in the classical limit. : 2. Be unidirectional. : 3. Involve curvature in some way. : : Every particle has a 4-momentum, composed of the scalar energy E : and the 3-momentum P. The mass of a particle in flat spacetime is : the scalar part of the 4-momentum squared. : : (E, P)^2 = (E^2 - P^2, 2 E P) : : Define flat spacetime operationally: when the scalar of the square of : a quaternion--scalar(q^2)--is the scalar squared minus the 3-vector : squared--scalar(q)^2 - vector(q)^2--then spacetime is flat. In flat : spacetime, the mass of two particles is the sum. : : (E, P)^2 + (E', P')^2 = (E^2 - P^2, 2 E P) + (E'^2 - P'^2, 2 E' P') : : = (m^2 + m'^2, 2 (E P + E' P')) : : If we want to be consistent in calculating the mass, add the two 4- : momenta together first and then square. : : (E + E', P + P')^2 = (E^2 - P^2 + E'^2 - P'^2 + 2(E E' - P P'), : 2 (E P + E' P' + E P' + P E' + PxP') : : = (m^2 + m'^2 + 2(E E' - P P'), 2 (E P + E' P' + E P' + P E' + PxP')) : -------------- ------------------ : : The underlined scalar term indicates that spacetime containing two : particles in it is no longer flat. The scalar term is unidirectional. : : for real particles, E > P and E' > P', so : : E E' - P P' > 0 : : If E >> P and E' >> P', then E E' - P P' ~= m m'. Thus the field : : 2 (E E' - P P', E P' + P E' + PxP') : : has the three properties required of a gravitational field. : : Generate the quaternion laws of gravity by having the operators act : on the gravitational field. : : the Lorentz gravitational force : : F = [d/dt, Del]* (E E' - P P', E P' + P E' + PxP')* (g, gb)* : - (g, gb)* [d/dt, Del] (E E' - P P', E P' + P E' + PxP') : : = (-gb.d(E P' + P E' + PxP')/dt - gb.Del (E E' - P P'), : : -g d(E P' + P E' + PxP')/dt - g Del (E E' - P P') : : + gbx(Delx(E P' + P E' + PxP'))) : : : the Maxwell gravitational wave equations : : [(d/dt, Del)^2 + (d/dt, Del)*^2] (E E' - P P', E P' + P E' + PxP') : : = (d^2 (E E' - P P')/dt^2 - Del^2 (E E' - P P') : : - Del.(Delx(E P' + P E' + PxP')), : : d^2 (E P' + P E' + PxP') /dt^2 + Delx(Delx(E P' + P E' + PxP')) : : - Del(Del.(E P' + P E' + PxP')) + Delx(Del (E E' - P P'))) : : = (d^2 (E E' - P P')/dt^2 - Del^2 (E E' - P P'), : : d^2 (E P' + P E' + PxP')/dt^2 - Del^2 (E P' + P E' + PxP')) : : = (mass density, mass flow) : : Looks complicated, but it was only an exercise in cutting and pasting : new fields into the Lorentz force and the Maxwell equations. : : The key question is how well this proposal fits the data. : : Newton's law of gravity works well, but where exactly is it hiding in : that collection of symbols? Let electromagnetic theory be the guide. : Coulomb's law is found in the covariant Lorentz force law if : beta = A = 0 and the scalar potential for a point charge is q/r. For : the Lorentz gravitational force, beta = P = P' = 0, so E E' ~= m m', and : the scalar potential for a point mass is m m'/r. : : F = [d/dt, Del]* (m m'/r, 0)* (1, 0)* : - (1, 0)* [d/dt, Del] (m m'/r, 0) : : = (0, -Del(m m'/r)) = (0, m m'/r^2) : : Multiply by -G, and that is Newton's law. : : Newton's law describes a 3-vector. How does one "repair" the law so : that it gets along with the 4-force formulations of special relativity? : This seemingly small job actually involves general relativity (see : Misner, Thorne and Wheeler, chapter 7). No repairs are required for : the Lorentz gravitational force law, since its form is every bit as : covariant as the Lorentz force of electromagnetism. For a point : source, the law becomes: : : F = [d/dt, Del]* ((E E' - P P')/r, 0)* (g, gb)* : - (g, gb)* [d/dt, Del] ((E E' - P P')/r, 0) : : = (-gb.Del ((E E' - P P')/r), -g Del ((E E' - P P')/r)) : : = (gb.(E E' - P P')/r^2, g (E E' - P P')/r^2) : : I do not know yet whether this form of the Lorentz gravitational force : is consistent with the experimental tests designed for the Schwarzschild : metric of general relativity, but I do have high hopes :-) : : Here's a subtle but fundamental distinction between electromagnetism : and gravity. For the Lorentz force of electromagnetism, the test charge : q is independent of the 4-potential. Varying q does nothing to the 4- : potential. For gravity, there is no way to separate the two momentum : 4-vectors that together compose the gravitational source. Varying a : test mass varies the 4-potential. This may play a similar function to the : non-linearity seen in general relativity. : : Now to the big difference: what is gravitational analogue of magnetism? : : Magnetism involves moving electric charges. The gravitational : analogue must involve moving pairs of masses. Consider a spiral galaxy : spinning around an axis. These equations predict a force generated by : moving pairs of masses that cannot be accounted for by a scalar : potential. The velocity profile of spiral galaxies is flat (V(r) = k) as seen : using neutral atomic hydrogen spectral lines. That is the data. : Newton's law predicts a Keplerian decline, V(r) = (k M(r)/r)^.5. Since : this equation fails, people have proposed the dark matter hypothesis, : where most of the matter in the universe is composed of "no-see-'ems", : a type of bug that cannot be seen, but leaves a bite from its visit. : : The B field is generated by DelxA. The gravitational analogue, let's call : it the ME field since that sounds like B and implies the non-linearity, is : Delx(E P' + P E' + PxP'). Do I know how to use the ME field to predict the : velocity profile of a spiral galaxy? No. I will start playing with : electromagnetic analogies, specifically electric charges on disks. : : There is a small amount of data about gravity waves. Some of the data : is based on the rate of decay of signals from binary pulsars due to : energy emitted as gravity waves. The Maxwell gravitational wave : equation also predicts such waves. I have yet to start doing calculations : with this set of equations. One point I can make is that there are no ME : field monopoles, just as there are no B field monopoles. However, the : ME field is really more analogous to a dipole since it necessarily : involves two 4-momenta. Therefore there are no ME field dipoles. : Gravity waves may require a quadrupole source for this reason. : General relativity makes a similar statement. : : I have not broached the topic of quantum mechanics, yet the topic is : critical for a modern gravitational theory. Here again, I must be brief : since I am still formulating how to think about quantum mechanics : with quaternions. My hope is to clone quantum electrodynamics, : creating quantum gravitational dynamics, since the equations have : identical forms. That sounds like a reasonable, though unsupported, : line of logic. : : What has been accomplished? I have generated two equations for : gravity--the Lorentz gravitational force and the Maxwell gravitational : wave equation--with as many implications as their electromagnetic : counterparts. The only solid connection to data has involved Newton's : law of gravity. A link to the experimental tests of general relativity is : merely a hope. A connection to quantum mechanics is more tenuous. : The proof for this proposal, if it ever comes, will involve the ability to : explain the velocity profiles of systems with masses in motion. : : : Doug : http://world.com/~sweetser From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 08:16:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27154; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:16:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:16:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129101154.00763cfc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:11:54 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: I need a switch can you help? IMPORTANT! In-Reply-To: <34D07122.982C81DD@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BqZX11.0.9e6.FjAqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello... At 01:08 1/30/98 +1300, you wrote: >This is a very important part of a promising experiment I am trying, If >you know of a place that makes such a switching device or of a model >number ot anything please respond, I need a current that seems far to >high for a 555 circuit or anything that I know like it and so I am >expecting a rotating switch is what I will find. Rotating switch? Eeeew! ;) If you have a 555 circuit that fills your requirements, except for the current rating, then you're 90% of the way there... Run the 555 from a 9V minimum source and connect the output through a 22 ohm resistor to the gate of a MOSFET... You didn't mention the voltage the switch is required to withstand, the MOSFET should be selected appropriately. The 10A is really not a problem, pick a MOSFET with a low on resistance (RDSon in the data books), and heatsink it. If you pick a very large MOSFET it's capacitance will be hard to drive for fast switching times... then buffer the 555 output with a TSC426 MOSFET driver or something similar(Micrel, Teledyne, and others, make 'em.) Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "...and I work among cries and clatters like a venomous beaver in a parrot house. A letter full of nothing. Yours," -signed Dylan mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 08:23:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25332; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:23:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:23:16 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <1bec0053.34d0acac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:22:02 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I need a switch can you help? IMPORTANT! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"vGBsd2.0.dB6.opAqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-29 07:09:24 EST, you write: << I need a *switching device sometimes called a "chopper" that has low resistance that can take more that 1 amp (I really need about 10 amps) and an adjustable frequency, I would like a range of at least 50>100hz but I am flexible and I really need an adjustable pulse width or one that is open about half the time. >> Seems to me a good possibility would be a run of the mill variable pulse generator driving a power amplifier. That's assuming you are considering reasonable voltages. A mechanical device could probably be made to work, but seems an unnecessary complication. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 08:30:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27405; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:29:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:29:49 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D07122.982C81DD@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:31:16 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: I need a switch can you help? IMPORTANT! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id IAA27267 Resent-Message-ID: <"SyLzV.0.hh6.uvAqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I need a *switching device sometimes called a "chopper" that has low >resistance that can take more that 1 amp (I really need about 10 amps) >and an adjustable frequency, I would like a range of at least 50>100hz >but I am flexible and I really need an adjustable pulse width or one >that is open about half the time. > >This is a very important part of a promising experiment I am trying, If >you know of a place that makes such a switching device or of a model >number ot anything please respond, I need a current that seems far to >high for a 555 circuit or anything that I know like it and so I am >expecting a rotating switch is what I will find. > >If you have any ideas of how I could make one, know were I should look >or what I should by please respond. > >* A component of a circuit that will make and break the circuit so that >a pulsed DC will result from a constant voltage source. > > >Thank you in advance, John Berry Just use a timer to turn on a transistor. Or couple a 15-20V transistor or opamp to turn on a high current FET like a BUZ11. In general, whenever you need a circuit, there are books of circuits for practically every purpose in most libraries and any decent bookstore. 1000's of circuits ready to go to do most anything. Better to refer to those than to take up bandwidth, unless i t's really specialized. In that case check one of the EE newsgroups to post your query. They know more than most experimenters in this group. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 08:31:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00236; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:31:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:31:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129102717.00e2461c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:27:17 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <34D03512.2105@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xzBRl.0.W3.cxAqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Howdy! At 23:51 1/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >I am recently new to the list, and have recently come across a wealth of >new info, and am interested in experimenting with some of it. The thing >that stuck out in my mind most was the page about Gravity Wave Detector >Circuits. This article pointed out the fact that gravitational effects >are experienced instantaneously. If is the case, then if the Space Warp >Capacitor is purportedly capable of generating gravitational >distortions, wouldn't it be possible to modulate some kind of >communications signal (i.e. Digital Data, Voice, etc.) onto the Warp >Capacitor, and a receiving (detector) station would receive the >gravitational distortions, presumably anywhere in the universe, for >Instantaneous Universal Communications? If this question seems out of >line, I apologize. >William Perry This question brings up point that's been nagging me. FTL has been discussed on this list before, but one aspect that has not been considered is that Einstein didn't say that it was impossible for FTL phenomena to exist, (indeed, it does appear to exist) but that it's impossible to transmit information faster than light. The quantum level experiments with photon polarization seem to bear this out. You can see the correlation between two photons polarization after the event but you can't chose the polarization, so no information is transmitted. I haven't seen any experiment that proves otherwise. Something happens FTL, and it does effect the correlation between the photons polarization. However no information is transmitted... Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "...and I work among cries and clatters like a venomous beaver in a parrot house. A letter full of nothing. Yours," -signed Dylan mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 08:34:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29573; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:34:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:34:38 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <50d76e54.34d0ade5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:27:15 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Boy is this a fun magnet question ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"XYO4n1.0.zD7.S-Aqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-28 21:33:21 EST, you write: << What if you had a 2 pound rare earth magnet. you place this magnet above a second rare earth magnet that is 5 miles long, with an air gap of .1 mm at the start and 5 mm at the end. It wants to move from the small gap to the large gap as it would in the magnetic wankel motor. What speed would the 2 pound magnet be going when it got to the end of the 5 mile long straight magnet? In the calculation leave out aerodymanic drag and any friction. Would the speed at the end be the same for any length lower magnet or does it get higher as the lower magnet get longer? See attached gif for illustration Thanks, Butch >> Since the magnet moves on the level, we can I think forget gravity. So the speed of the magnet would be such that the integral F times dx over the 4.9 mm is equal to 0.5 mv^2 , where F is the repulsive force of the magnets as a function of separation, v is the final velocity, and m is the mass of the 2 pounds (in whatever system of units you use for F, dx, and v). So the speed would be the same for any length lower magnet, neglecting drag, etc. In Dave's post I thought he said about the same thing in less detail. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 09:17:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08982; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:17:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:17:31 -0800 (PST) From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801291716.AA04186@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 10:10:16 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Re : Re: VCR tape as a battery?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qt_pX.0.AC2.ccBqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks for the replies -- Didn't seem right to me......But who really knows in this goofy F/E world? So -- guess we won't be sending him that seed money anytime soon :>>? Anton Rager Denver, CO arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 09:59:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27178; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:59:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:59:13 -0800 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801291759.AA11703@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 10:48:20 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: back EMF and magnetic fields Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lNEPK.0.Ve6.jDCqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3529 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Question for the list -- does back EMF from a ferrite coil also produce a reversed magnetic polarity? Anton Rager >> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:45:07 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Boy is this a fun magnet question ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"IMaDF1.0.h96.JyCqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-29 11:42:19 EST, Ken you write: << Since the magnet moves on the level, we can I think forget gravity. So the speed of the magnet would be such that the integral F times dx over the 4.9 mm is equal to 0.5 mv^2 , where F is the repulsive force of the magnets as a function of separation, v is the final velocity, and m is the mass of the 2 pounds (in whatever system of units you use for F, dx, and v). So the speed would be the same for any length lower magnet, neglecting drag, etc. In Dave's post I thought he said about the same thing in less detail. >> If I understand the problem, then if the force of magnetic repulsion is constant, then the mass of the moving part will be accelerating at a rate of F/m. As in F=ma. The velocity therefore will be dependent on time, which will be dependent of length of lower magnet. Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 10:50:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10117; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:50:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:50:04 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D03512.2105@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:10:30 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: question Resent-Message-ID: <"QbAqi3.0.eT2.OzCqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3531 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William - > If is the case, then if the Space Warp > Capacitor is purportedly capable of > generating gravitational distortions, > wouldn't it be possible to modulate some > kind of communications signal (i.e. Digital > Data, Voice, etc.) onto the Warp Capacitor, > and a receiving (detector) station would > receive the gravitational distortions, > presumably anywhere in the universe, for > Instantaneous Universal Communications? I have no idea what a "Space Warp Capacitor" is (something out of Star Trek?). But if there were an instantaneous transfer of energy between two points by pulsing dielectrics, that shouldn't be too hard to check. Timing a spark discharged across the leads of one capacitor and any corresponding disturbance seen in a 'reciever' capacitor some distance away is one suggestion. I've never heard of any such experiment being done - anybody? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 11:47:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27907; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:47:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:47:28 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: monteverde@worldnet.att.ne Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:46:43 -0800 Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Message-ID: <19980129.114645.3414.3.tv@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-9,11-19,22,24-27,29,31-32,34-38,40-42,44-46, 48-53,56-61,65 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gjfks.0.pp6.EpDqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3532 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:10:32 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: >Tim - >As for the testatika story of the plastic block and the plates and the >magnet with a coil, jeez. Sounds like nothing, you know? How is the >magnet oriented relative to the plates on the acrylic? Why would it even >matter? \Is the acrylic thick between the plates? Greatings Rick, have a look at the pictures of testatika found on this web page: http://members.tripod.com/~kilowattfree/ It show the clear blocks between the magnet quit clearly. Even at least one of the two small 300 watt versions seen with Stephan Marinov has these magnets. The magnets has coils on them. What would happen if you modulated a magnetic field through an electret ? > >Here's a story I read, someone might be able to verify it. Teacher's >trick with capacitors showing that energy is stored in the dielectric and >not the plates. Charge up a capacitor that can be easily disassembled. Demo >the charge with a VM, then take the cap apart. Check the plates for >charge, ground them, touch them together, etc. No charge. Is the ordinary >dielectric now a temporary electret? That's where the energy's hiding. >Put the cap back together and the charge reappears back on the plates. >Perfectly conventional but kind of weird, huh? > I have seen take-apart capacitors just for this purpose. The dielectric is like a temporary electret, I believe. >We're soaking in charge and charge carriers, and that's not *even* >ZPE, just charge, fields, and currents in the air around us or under our >feet. >The energy is enormous. We're like people dying of thirst in the >middle of an ocean of clean fresh water, groping for energy like we are. I hope >the testatika is real, even though it sounds like a bunch of hokum. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI I know there is no energy shortage, just smarts. What I wonder is if it is possible to somehow extract energy from the motion of charges air molecules. The testatika is said to cool its surroundings. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) I hate this advertising Juno puts on the bottom now. Ug! I like to use Juno for the list because I can down load all 50 or messages a day in one fast block without tieing up the phone while I read them like my other email does. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 12:18:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03649; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:18:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:18:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199801292017.SAA12690@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: not so good indeed ! To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:36:16 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Tape Power Supply?? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34CFC710.73D7@keelynet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"t9xl-3.0.ku.tFEqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Reply-to: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:02:24 -0800 > From: "Jerry W. Decker" > Organization: KeelyNet > To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz > Subject: Tape Power Supply?? > Hi Folks! > > This bizarre idea was posted at freenrg-l..; > > http://www.webads.gr/commerce/pps/pps.htm > > Interesting link that I found today -- Here's someone with an idea of > using a VRC tape as a battery.....by recording sawtooth waveforms and > a specially designed head. Claims output [per head] is around 10/12V > and 1.5 amps continous...Output is much greater than power needed for > motor...Also claims multiple heads could be used to increase output > even more. > --------------------------------- It wouldn't be possible to design such an head to do some "magnetic amplification" ? I mean something like the RMOD device or a flux-gate maybe. The magnetized tape will act as the rotary ferrite rods do on the RMOD. It would make sense ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 16:41:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23255; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:41:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:41:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980129.114645.3414.3.tv@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:39:42 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Resent-Message-ID: <"RCJDZ.0.3h5.I6Iqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3534 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim - > What would happen if you modulated a > magnetic field through an electret ? Well, what happens to a capacitor when you expose it to changing magnetic fields? Nothing practical or noticable that I can think of, especially when the charge on the cap is static. If the cap is rapidly charging or discharging during that time, maybe some slight hall effects appear. But what would that do? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 17:14:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA30823; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:14:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:14:02 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34D07122.982C81DD@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:13:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: I need a switch can you help? IMPORTANT! Resent-Message-ID: <"OG8Of2.0.RX7.ObIqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: this is a good question to post in sci.electronics.design. there are some very sharp people who inhabit that newsgroup (eg, Winfield Hill, co-author of "The Art of Electronics", http://www.artofelectronics.com, which is a very worthwhile reference) who just love to answer questions like that... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 17:58:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08522; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:58:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:58:41 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:57:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: back EMF and magnetic fields Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"atI681.0.152.FFJqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-29 15:27:34 EST, you write: << Hm.. Let me rephrase. If I apply a current to a ferrite coil, I make an electromagnet. When I shut off the current, the coil may produce a back EMF. what does this do to the electromagnet effect? Immediate off, taper off, or reversed magnetic polarity during the back EMF? Anton Rager >> I think the electromagnetic effect to first order is proportional to the current, while the EMF is proportional to the negative of the change in flux. The electromagnetc effect should taper off with the current, but when the current reaches zero there will be some energy stored in the distributed capacitance and the current, and flux, will go negative creating a reversed polarity magnetic effect -- but this will likely be small. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 18:06:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10988; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:06:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:06:04 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <64622e16.34d133fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:59:22 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New even more fun magnet question, could it self destruct? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"YSnsC.0.Fh2.8MJqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-29 15:32:24 EST, you write: << If I understand the problem, then if the force of magnetic repulsion is constant, then the mass of the moving part will be accelerating at a rate of F/m. As in F=ma. The velocity therefore will be dependent on time, which will be dependent of length of lower magnet. Bob >> Bob, I just had an idea. What if the 5 mile long magnet was in a circle? The 2 pound magnet would be forced closer to the lower magnet due to centrifugal force and the force between the two would increase, then the speed would increase, then the centrifugal force would increase, then the distance would decrease between the two even more. The process would continue, as to weither it would be linear or square it's self I can figure out. One thing is for sure, at a certain point the kinetic energy would have to be drained of to keep the two magnets from coming in contact with each other,. but not all of the energy, just enough to keep it off the magnet. There would be a lot of dynamics going on here and I can't put it in sequence at this point. The thing that has me thinking is, could enough kinetic energy be built up in combination with the potiental energy that is store by the two being pushed together, to jump it over the start of the bottom magnet when it reaches the end? It looks like the 2 pound magnet would cycle up and down in a wave like fashion as it traveled along the length of the bottom magnet. Boy, if I'm correct, this could be fun. Maybe this is a new kind SMOT that could do real work. Bob, and list people, what are your thoughts? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 18:18:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08802; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:18:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:46:53 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Boy is this a fun magnet question ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"u36in1.0.P92.XXJqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-29 15:32:24 EST, you write: << << Since the magnet moves on the level, we can I think forget gravity. So the speed of the magnet would be such that the integral F times dx over the 4.9 mm is equal to 0.5 mv^2 , where F is the repulsive force of the magnets as a function of separation, v is the final velocity, and m is the mass of the 2 pounds (in whatever system of units you use for F, dx, and v). So the speed would be the same for any length lower magnet, neglecting drag, etc. In Dave's post I thought he said about the same thing in less detail. >> If I understand the problem, then if the force of magnetic repulsion is constant, then the mass of the moving part will be accelerating at a rate of F/m. As in F=ma. The velocity therefore will be dependent on time, which will be dependent of length of lower magnet. Bob >> The acceleration is not F/m because the mass is constrained to move almost perpendicular to the direction of the force. So the net accelerating force is about F/m times 4.9 mm divided by several miles. True, the velocity vs time will be dependent upon the length of the lower magnet, but the end velocity at the end of the lower magnet will always be the same. However, the longer the lower magnet, the longer it will take the upper magnet to reach the end. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 18:34:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11219; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:34:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:34:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:32:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801300232.SAA02998@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Re[2]: back EMF and magnetic fields Resent-Message-ID: <"7-SCc.0.Cl2.TmJqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, At 10:48 AM 1/29/98 -0500, Anton wrote: > ><< Question for the list -- does back EMF from a ferrite coil also > produce a reversed magnetic polarity? > > > Anton Rager >> > > >Hm.. Let me rephrase. If I apply a current to a ferrite coil, I make an >electromagnet. When I shut off the current, the coil may produce a back EMF. >what does this do to the electromagnet effect? Immediate off, taper off, or >reversed magnetic polarity during the back EMF? > Doesn't the magnetic field come from the current, as Ken said? So the field will decay as fast as the current does, ignoring domain switching effects. The back EMF is an effect of the current and field trying to stay constant, not the cause. It is a function of the derivative of the current. This is for all electromagnets, not just a ferrite core. What would cause a reversed magnetic field? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 19:22:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA32395; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:22:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:22:35 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:28:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801300328.WAA01586@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dick Wood Subject: Re: Re[2]: back EMF and magnetic fields Resent-Message-ID: <"pPkmw1.0.0w7.vTKqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:48 AM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > > ><< Question for the list -- does back EMF from a ferrite coil also > produce a reversed magnetic polarity? > > > Anton Rager >> > > >Hm.. Let me rephrase. If I apply a current to a ferrite coil, I make an >electromagnet. When I shut off the current, the coil may produce a back EMF. >what does this do to the electromagnet effect? Immediate off, taper off, or >reversed magnetic polarity during the back EMF? > > >Anton Rager >Denver, CO >arager@McGraw-Hill.com > I detailed an experiment I did a few months ago that I thought showed the Coler effect.Using an isolated coil near a compass I was able to see what was happening to a coil several feet away when placed in a magnetic feild. This may help you see what is going on. I noticed an immediate change in polarity by observing the compass.If a magnet was kept on the test coil the coil at the compass still registered a small deviation.This was because the core of the coil was still magnetised a little bit. Removing the magnet caused a back emf which demagnetised the compass coil.So much for the Coler effect. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 19:40:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04215; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:40:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:40:07 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:32:34 -0800 Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Message-ID: <19980129.193846.3414.5.tv@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-8,10-15,17,19,21,23-27 Resent-Message-ID: <"eD3U71.0.h11.KkKqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick, I think your right. Maybe the horseshoe magnet capacitor combination in testatika is just for looks. One of the small versions of the testatika does not seem to have a magnet. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:39:42 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: >Tim - > > > What would happen if you modulated a > > magnetic field through an electret ? > >Well, what happens to a capacitor when you expose it to changing magnetic >fields? Nothing practical or noticable that I can think of, especially when >the charge on the cap is static. If the cap is rapidly charging or discharging > during that time, maybe some slight hall effects appear. But what would that do? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 19:53:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22227; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:53:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Grat Crabtree" To: Subject: RE:I need a switch can you help? IMPORTANT! Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:54:30 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd2d32$c4cb1460$864268cf@foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01BD2CEF.B6A7D460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zollt.0.9R5.jwKqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01BD2CEF.B6A7D460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe you could use a SCR(Silicon Controlled Rectifier) and a 555 = timer. scr's are used in dimmer switches. 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I believe you could use a = SCR(Silicon Controlled=20 Rectifier) and a 555 timer.
scr's are used in dimmer = switches.
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------=_NextPart_000_009E_01BD2CEF.B6A7D460-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 20:32:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28920; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:31:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:31:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34D12895.7C3D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:10:46 -0800 From: Wm Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IkyLB.0.f37.OULqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3543 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > William - > > > If is the case, then if the Space Warp > > Capacitor is purportedly capable of > > generating gravitational distortions, > > wouldn't it be possible to modulate some > > kind of communications signal (i.e. Digital > > Data, Voice, etc.) onto the Warp Capacitor, > > and a receiving (detector) station would > > receive the gravitational distortions, > > presumably anywhere in the universe, for > > Instantaneous Universal Communications? > > I have no idea what a "Space Warp Capacitor" is (something out of Star > Trek?). But if there were an instantaneous transfer of energy between two > points by pulsing dielectrics, that shouldn't be too hard to check. Timing > a spark discharged across the leads of one capacitor and any corresponding > disturbance seen in a 'reciever' capacitor some distance away is one > suggestion. I've never heard of any such experiment being done - anybody? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI The "Space Warp Capacitor" I referred to is described at the following website. It might not work, I don't know. I have neither the money or time to put it into practice. William Perry Honolulu, HI http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/caps/capwarp.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 21:55:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12100; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:55:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:55:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34D16B39.27B1B24D@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:55:05 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I need a switch can you help? Thanks! References: <34D07122.982C81DD@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f3RiM1.0.ty2.QjMqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3544 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To everyone on KeelyNet-L Vortex-L and Freenrg-L Thankyou, because I know it was not on topic. And especially to those who answered my question Thank's. John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 29 22:06:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05841; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:06:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34D18903.1B0@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:02:11 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gravity Car Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"89Tq52.0.8R1.ntMqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Dan Davidson sent in a proposal for a gravity car based on the weight loss he and Joe Parr have measured in pyramidal structures. The description is at; http://keelynet.com/davidson/gravcar.htm Other associated information that details the gravity centrifuge experiments and related info at; http://keelynet.com/davidson.htm If you are interested. Sounds like a neat thing to try. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-8741 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 00:57:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00692; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:57:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:57:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34D17AFF.65EA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:02:23 -0800 From: Wm Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: water test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jUMJl1.0.jA.zNPqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: List people, earlier this evening, I did a small test. it was fun. I wrapped the end of my PC electret mic with Saran wrap. and taped it shut (or so I thought). I then immersed it into a glass of water. The glass of water was sitting directly in front of my Speaker coming off my sound card. When I jacked up the volume, instead of getting the normal feedback you get by putting the mic too close to the speaker, the feedback was filled with heavy reverberations (about 3-4 beats per second). I turned the speaker volume down until the feedback ceased, however, after about 3-4 seconds, the feedback returned. I thought this might be due to the feedback somehow pinging on the resonance of the glass of water, so the sound built on itself. But if not, I would like to be corrected now. Thanks. William From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 07:16:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18131; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:16:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:16:08 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:39:10 -0500 Subject: Barkenhausen Battery Message-ID: <19980130.100904.6374.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-9 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZI7yj2.0.CR4.twUqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Was reviewing some old e-mail on the Barkhausen Effect Battery. It seemed to be the "hot-topic" when I first subscribed to freenrg last summer. Was wondering if arything new happened along those lines? Considering all the dead ends we have been pursuing all these years, that we may need to take a real (if not small) effect and go from there. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 07:16:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18159; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:16:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:16:14 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:50:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Quickfield 4.0 Message-ID: <19980130.100904.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199801281623.AA21633@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16-18,20-22 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"_ZAhd1.0.ZR4.zwUqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3548 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:10:36 -0500 arager@mcgraw-hill.com writes: > 1 - Only runs in Win95 or WinNT 4.0+ -- Won't run in WinNT 3.51. > 2 - Has a 200 node mesh limit [vs 500 node mesh limit for DOS >version] > 3 - Colors are more difficult to distinguish with charts > > What this means -- This version won't work with Greg Watson's >example > fields. [SMOT stuff has around 400+ nodes] > Anton, Thanks for the info...was going to get Win95 version but I'll will get the DOS version. Is it still available? I think it was on Greg Watson's site, but I'm not sure. If necessary I'll pay for a copy to be sent to me. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 08:21:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15425; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:21:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Message-Id: <199801301620.AA22253@interlock.mgh.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 09:13:47 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: Quickfield 4.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W4ymG3.0.wm3.8uVqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Thanks for the info...was going to get Win95 version but I'll will get >the DOS version. >Is it still available? > >I think it was on Greg Watson's site, but I'm not sure. If necessary I'll >pay for a copy to be sent to me. > >Steve Heckman Steve, Greg W. Still has a copy on his site, or you can go directly to the Tera download page: http://www.tor.ru/quickfield/downloads/ Simtel.net also has copies of the 3.4 version. A quick search on the net will show lots of sites with copies. Good luck, Anton Rager arager@McGraw-Hill.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 09:41:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29145; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:41:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <5359b857.34d20ead@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:32:27 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New even more fun magnet question, could it self destruct? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"sefyQ2.0.H77._2Xqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 98-01-29 21:28:30 EST, you write: << I just had an idea. What if the 5 mile long magnet was in a circle? The 2 pound magnet would be forced closer to the lower magnet due to centrifugal force and the force between the two would increase, then the speed would increase, then the centrifugal force would increase, then the distance would decrease between the two even more. The process would continue, as to weither it would be linear or square it's self I can figure out. One thing is for sure, at a certain point the kinetic energy would have to be drained of to keep the two magnets from coming in contact with each other,. but not all of the energy, just enough to keep it off the magnet. There would be a lot of dynamics going on here and I can't put it in sequence at this point. The thing that has me thinking is, could enough kinetic energy be built up in combination with the potiental energy that is store by the two being pushed together, to jump it over the start of the bottom magnet when it reaches the end? It looks like the 2 pound magnet would cycle up and down in a wave like fashion as it traveled along the length of the bottom magnet. Boy, if I'm correct, this could be fun. Maybe this is a new kind SMOT that could do real work. Bob, and list people, what are your thoughts? Thanks, Butch >> In the original idea the velocity of the 2 lb. mass came from its moving away from the lower magnet. If instead centrifugal force were to cause it to approach the lower (long) magnet there is no longer any reason for its velocity to increase. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 10:39:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08903; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:39:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:39:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Tommy" To: Subject: Magnetic Wankel? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:58:05 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD2CD7.11087680" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <004e93633181e18MAIL2@mail.bip.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"PewIA.0.0B2.mvXqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Detta är ett multipart-meddelande i MIME-format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD2CD7.11087680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had an idea on my mind about the magnetic wankel for a while now. If insted of the electromagnet we put a segment (120 deg) of magnets that can move up and down so when the rotor is att the first 60 deg of the moving segment the segment starts to move down (with a level conected to a camshaft) and is totaly down when the rotor is att the last 60 degres of the moving segment. then when the rotor is out of the moving segment we start to lift the segment up. (see gif for a roug scetch, rotor att last 60 deg) And this is done with the magnetic force of 6 units in varius stages cupled together on the same shaft. 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Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:14:08 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Jack Demule question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2YN303.0.eJ1.UQcqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:27 AM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >This question brings up point that's been nagging me. > >FTL has been discussed on this list before, but one aspect that >has not been considered is that Einstein didn't say that it was >impossible for FTL phenomena to exist, (indeed, it does appear to exist) >but that it's impossible to transmit information faster than >light. The quantum level experiments with photon polarization seem >to bear this out. You can see the correlation between two photons >polarization after the event but you can't chose the polarization, >so no information is transmitted. I haven't seen any experiment >that proves otherwise. Something happens FTL, and it does effect >the correlation between the photons polarization. However no >information is transmitted... > Well, he seems pretty clear to me. Special relativity categorically denies velocity faster than C. General relativity allows varying C in accelerating systems ( including rotation ), although I am vastly simplifying this... Quantum mechanics is forced to the notion of instantaeous action at a distance by basing its foundations on the mathematics of statistics. Consider the following analogy. A third party has two two cards, one black one white. They put them in envelopes, mix them up, and mail one to you. You open the envelope, find a white card. When I open mine, what do I find? Now we apply quantum mechanics. The cards both have a 50% chance of being either color. When you open your envelope, you "collapse the wave function" and the card becomes white. Instantaneously, the other card "collapses" too and becomes black. This seems absurd on the face of it; but if you accept that at the root of physics reality is based on these probablistic laws you must accept this explanation as valid. You often hear dicussion about "hidden variables", meaning that some other thing underlies the statistical approach. It is apparently now generally accepted that there are no hidden variables. That analogy by the way is a classic description of the Stern-Gerlach experiment... Frankly, I am deeply disturbed by this approach. I will not deny the effectiveness of quantum mechanics in describing microscopic events: it seems the best we have. But something has to give here. Off of my soapbox KPN PS: A practical question for you Jack; whats the best FET driver IC I can get from Digikey? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 16:32:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28295; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:31:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:31:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:30:28 +1100 Message-Id: <199801310130.MAA10470@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Resent-Message-ID: <"egv_J2.0._v6.p3dqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:39 PM 1/29/98 -1000, you wrote: >Tim - > > > What would happen if you modulated a > > magnetic field through an electret ? > >Well, what happens to a capacitor when you expose it to changing magnetic >fields? Nothing practical or noticable that I can think of, especially when >the charge on the cap is static. If the cap is rapidly charging or >discharging during that time, maybe some slight hall effects appear. But >what would that do? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > >Try putting the charged electroyle capacitor and inside a alternating toriod field and put the connecting leads just short of shoting out. The toriod I used was some copper magnet wire wound on a iron hitching ring about six inches in diameter. The actual ring about 1 inch thickness. I actually did this by accident and it gave off a electrical discharge at iregular periods for about a hour of an hour while I watched it in amusement. I though the capacitor would discharge and then stop but it continued. Until I distrubed it to find out what was happening and snuffed it out.. unfortunately forget how I did it ,as it was several years ago and I have been unable to reproduce the experiment or worked how I did it. > >Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 17:00:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02271; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:00:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:00:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980130190034.006a3934@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:00:34 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Jack Demule question In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BCUjS1.0.KZ.EUdqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Keith, all... At 00:14 1/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >PS: A practical question for you Jack; whats the best FET driver >IC I can get from Digikey? I like TC4426CPA through TC4428CPA, by Telcom. They will supply 1.5A peak and are almost immune to latch up. If you want a real brute of a driver, the TC4421CPA (inverting) and TC4422 (non-inverting) will provide up to 9A peak. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 18:03:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07614; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:01:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:01:31 -0800 Message-ID: <34D28804.64CD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:10:12 -0500 From: "Dana K. Loan" Reply-To: loan@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Jack Demule question References: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y9tAM1.0.qs1.vNeqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > > At 10:27 AM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: > >This question brings up point that's been nagging me. > > > >FTL has been discussed on this list before, but one aspect that > >has not been considered is that Einstein didn't say that it was > >impossible for FTL phenomena to exist, (indeed, it does appear to exist) > >but that it's impossible to transmit information faster than > >light. The quantum level experiments with photon polarization seem > >to bear this out. You can see the correlation between two photons > >polarization after the event but you can't chose the polarization, > >so no information is transmitted. I haven't seen any experiment > >that proves otherwise. Something happens FTL, and it does effect > >the correlation between the photons polarization. However no > >information is transmitted... > > > > Well, he seems pretty clear to me. Special relativity categorically > denies velocity faster than C. General relativity allows varying > C in accelerating systems ( including rotation ), although I am > vastly simplifying this... SNIP My understanding is that Einsteins theories do not preclude FTL, only a mass at C itself in any particular framework. So far I dont know of any experimental evidence that defies...as a mass approaches c it develops mass approaching infinit thereby requiring infinit energy to accelerate...This does not rule out FTL, only a mass at c. So....(here we go, I'm going WAY out there) 1. If Tachyons exist as theorised...and 2. A super-luminal universe exists comparable to our own sub-luminal universe... (The hook) It MIGHT be possible to convert sub-luminal mass to super-luminal, allowing a near instantanious "jump" to c+....or.... a shield/bubble of super-luminal particles may be captured and encase a portion of sub-luminal space and transport it at super-luminal velocities...(Oh my God ,it's a warp field) Sorry all...I've been watching and reading (OK...I was lurking) for a couple of months now and keeping quiet, but for some reason decided to put my $0.02 worth in this time. Nearly everybody on this list impresses me to no end, and the theories are fantastic. I personally don't exclude any possibility until it is proven wrong by actual experiments. IMHO if you can imagine it...it's possible! Dana From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 18:14:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11673; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:14:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:14:38 -0800 Message-ID: <34D2B2EF.3CCE@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:13:19 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkenhausen Battery References: <19980130.100904.6374.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3akw3.0.Hs2.Caeqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3556 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stephen L Heckman wrote: > > Was reviewing some old e-mail on the Barkhausen Effect Battery. It seemed > to be the "hot-topic" when I first subscribed to freenrg last summer. > > Was wondering if arything new happened along those lines? Apparently nothing! I know of a good number of people who sucessfully reproduced working detectors, but I do not know of anyone from freenrg-l who also built the battery varient of the design. > Considering all the dead ends we have been pursuing all these years, that > we may need to take a real (if not small) effect and go from there. The device does indeed work, the power output is hardly 'usable', but it is there. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 18:30:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14067; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:29:54 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD2DBD.9411B820@pm3-119.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Jack Demule question Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:28:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA14008 Resent-Message-ID: <"6GyRb.0.gR3.Woeqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- From: Dana K. Loan[SMTP:loan@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 8:10 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Jack Demule question >My understanding is that Einsteins theories do not preclude FTL, only a >mass at C itself in any particular framework. I agree. I challenge the very framework of special relativity. For several points: 1. Special Relativity is no more valid than the "Ether theory B" that explains both the Michaelson-Morley experiment AND the Thornedike experiment perfectly, allows an absolute frame of reference that prevents causality violation and allows FTL travel. Th e only reason SR was accepted over ETB (or Lorentz Relativity) is the use of Occam's Razor: "The simpler explanation is the right one." This statement has always interested me, especially since by the use of Occams Razor, one could conclude that Quantum M echanics is too complicated to be true. To say that SR is valid more than LR is not only incorrect, but arrogant. Yet there are many out there that will do this. (BTW: this was not aimed at anyone on the list. E-mail makes conveiance of feelings...difficu lt:-) As a matter of fact, it is well known that FTL transmission has been accomplished, although ignored by relativity theorists who would prefer not to have to trash-can relativity. Gunter Nimtz not only transmitted photons FTL, but Mozarts 40th Symphony was transmitted at a speed of 4.7c. Interesting, isn't it. No official comment on this by most relativists. >So far I dont know of any >experimental evidence that defies...as a mass approaches c it develops >mass approaching infinit thereby requiring infinit energy to >accelerate...This does not rule out FTL, only a mass at c. So....(here >we go, I'm going WAY out there) >1. If Tachyons exist as theorised...and >2. A super-luminal universe exists comparable to our own sub-luminal >universe... >(The hook) >It MIGHT be possible to convert sub-luminal mass to super-luminal, >allowing a near instantanious "jump" to c+....or.... True. Or, one could also generate a local gradient in the ZPF (zero point field) of space, to increase the local speed of light in vicinity to the spacecraft. >a shield/bubble of super-luminal particles may be captured and encase a >portion of sub-luminal space and transport it at super-luminal >velocities...(Oh my God ,it's a warp field) Sounds like another theory: Herculean magnetic fields coupled with A vector potential fields to generate a local warp in the spacetime metric (or ether). >Sorry all...I've been watching and reading (OK...I was lurking) for a >couple of months now and keeping quiet, but for some reason decided to >put my $0.02 worth in this time. > Nearly everybody on this list impresses me to no end, and the theories >are fantastic. I personally don't exclude any possibility until it is >proven wrong by actual experiments. IMHO if you can imagine it...it's >possible! Pretty much my view, except I think time travel and closed timelike curves will prove impossible to create. FTL is another matter. Oh, and BTW: If anyone wants copies of the scientific papers by H.D. Froning that I read about the magnetic warping of space in, let me know. They're large, with gifs, but I can .zip them if you like. Best Regards, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 30 19:36:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25004; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:36:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34D29D53.7F30@servtech.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:42:13 -0500 From: "Robert W. Gray" Reply-To: rwgray@servtech.com Organization: P.D.Structures X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Jack Demule question References: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OSHsG2.0.Z66.cmfqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Keith Nagel wrote: > Quantum mechanics is forced to the notion of instantaeous action > at a distance by basing its foundations on the mathematics of > statistics. Consider the following analogy. > > > Frankly, I am deeply disturbed by this approach. I will not deny > the effectiveness of quantum mechanics in describing microscopic > events: it seems the best we have. But something has to give > here. > > Off of my soapbox > > KPN I have studied physics for many years now. And its sad to say, but physicist do not understand how the Universe works. Qunatum Mechanics is no exception. The mathematics is very nice, but an interpretation is badly needed. You should know that the Schrodinger equation we all learned in our Q.M. classes is not relativisticly invarient. You need to have a 2nd order diff. eq. in time, which the S. Equ. is not. Now, when you have a 2nd order diff. equ. in time you get *2* solutions, one in which "time" travels in the "positive" direction and one in which "time" travels in the "negative" direction. Physicist "throwout" the negative time solution whenever they use the Schrodinger equation. Just as we often throwout the negative time solution when using Maxwell's equations. They throw out these negative time solutions because "they don't make any sense." But then they come up with the Copenhagen Interpretation, which doesn't make any sense. And *then* they say "Oh well, nothing makes any sense and that's just the way it is. Learn to live with it." Anyway, we know experimentally that conventional/conservative physics is *not* *the* answer. We really don't know what the answer is. If you would like to learn more about a very good (my opinion) alternative to the Copenhagen Interpretaton, you should read about John G. Cramer's work. See, for example, "Schrodinger's Kittens and the Search for Reality" by John Gribbin. (Or better yet, Look up John Cramer's papers. Its a good read.) Anyone who still considers the Copenhagen Interpretation as "the only good" explaination of Q. M. (with its confusion about the collapse of the Q.M. wave) just hasn't read enough. Bob Gray From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 00:51:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24907; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:51:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:51:09 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <1cebf559.34d2d867@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:53:07 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Try to figure this out as I type operational post Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_886233189_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"DbiD71.0.456.xNkqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_886233189_boundary Content-ID: <0_886233189@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Try to figure out my design while I type operational description. I'll give you a clue. It takes the opposing magnetic field that rises when the original expanding magnetic field of the stator expands and puts that opposing magnetic field to work in an attraction mode that would otherwise be a repulsive force. This will let the rotor turn with no resistance. More detailed description to come on web site. 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jsz5c17MokeTLm36NOquAFKzbu36NezYsmfTrri6Nu7cunfz7u3b9O3fwocTL278OPLkypcz b+68MoDowZ9Tr279OvbY0Q1uz+79O/jw4pF27z7+PPr06sFLn77+Pfz48neXdz//Pv78+hPX V2x/P4ABCmhdf/wNeCCCCSbXHnQKOvgghAD+FyGFFVqI3YQXarghh8Nl2CGIIYro2ocjmngi ioiVmCKLLbr4IowxyjgjjTXaeCOOOeq4CSOPPfr443IBAQA7 --part0_886233189_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 01:19:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26923; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:19:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Jack Demule question Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:18:00 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34dca173.145546735@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NSrW3.0.aa6.Mokqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:14:08 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: [snip] >A third party has two two cards, one black one white. They put them in >envelopes, mix them up, and mail one to you. You open the envelope, find >a white card. When I open mine, what do I find? > >Now we apply quantum mechanics. The cards both have a 50% chance >of being either color. When you open your envelope, you "collapse >the wave function" and the card becomes white. Instantaneously, the >other card "collapses" too and becomes black. > >This seems absurd on the face of it; but if you accept that at And so it is. The cards obviously couldn't give a hoot whether you open the envelope or not. What does change when you open the envelope is your "knowledge" of what is in the envelope (IOW you have taken a measurement). And when you think about it, _that knowledge_, is the only thing that is actually contained in the mathematical *models* that are created by QM. The models (i.e. equations) DO NOT describe reality. They only describe our very limited knowledge of reality. It is therefore not in the least surprising that our knowledge (and therefore our model) changes when we measure something. After all, that is the whole purpose of measurement in the first place. IMO this view completely removes all the mysticism from "wave collapse". (Either that, or I have missed the point entirely ;). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 07:06:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00504; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:05:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:05:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199801311505.KAA19672@gateway.minimal.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:05:37 -0500 From: rmuha@minimal.com (ralph muha) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [from s.p.r] The Schrodinger equation and quaternions Organization: minimal, limited Resent-Message-ID: <"UAACq.0.X7.Jtpqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: : From: Doug Sweetser : Newsgroups: sci.physics.research : Subject: The Schrodinger equation and quaternions : Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:46:46 -0500 : : Hello: : : In this post I will write the Schrodinger equation using quaternions. : Along the way, the mystery of first quantization--where energy and : momentum get treated as operators instead of numbers--will be : explained. A few of the consequences of this approach will be : discussed. : : The Schrodinger equation gives the kinetic energy plus the potential : (this sum is also known as the Hamiltonian H) of a wave function psi, : which contains all the dynamic information about a system. Psi is a : scalar function that takes on complex values. : : E psi = KE (P^2/2m psi) + V psi : H psi = - i hbar d psi/dt = - hbar^2/2 m Del^2 psi + V(0, X) psi : : In the time-independent case, energy is the operator - i hbar d/dt. : Momentum is also written as an operator, not a number. Given : the potential V(0, X) and suitable boundary conditions, solving this : equation generates a wave function psi which contains all the : properties of that system. : : My hypothesis is that the total wave function Y is the following : combination of quaternion operators and fields. : : Y = [cos, V/||V|| sin]((w, K)(t, X) + ((w, K)(t, X))*)/2 : : w is the angular frequency scalar K is the wave 3-vector : t is the time, a scalar X is the position 3-vector : cos and sin act on scalars V is a phase 3-vector : ||V|| = (V* V)^.5, a scalar : : Doesn't look like quantum mechanics, does it? That's the fun of this : sport: start from a seemingly irrelevant collection of operators and : fields, then play math games until it looks like familiar physics. : : Now to deconstruct that definition. : : (q + q*)/2 = (scalar(q), 0) : : ((w, K)(t, X) + ((w, K)(t, X))*)/2 = (wt - K.X, 0) : : The trig operators act on this scalar. : : Y = [cos, V/||V|| sin](wt - K.X, 0) : : = (cos(wt - K.X), V/||V|| sin(wt - K.X)) : : The phase 3-vector V/||V|| is similar to the imaginary number i, : except that two phases do not necessarily commute. : : i^2 = -1 (V/||V||)^2 = -1 : i* i = 1 (V/||V||)* V/||V|| = 1 : : Let me define phase 3-vector as capital I = V/||V||. The total wave : function as defined here is always normalized. : : Y* Y = (cos^2 (wt - K.X) + I* I sin^2 (wt - K.X), 0) : : = (1, 0) : : Extend Euler's formula--Exp(i theta) = cos(theta) + i sin(theta)--to : quaternions, with theta = wt - K.X and i -> I. : : Y = Exp(I (wt - K.X)) : : According to my hypothesis, the total wave function Y is a : normalized quaternion exponential with a phase 3-vector I and an : angle determined by the scalar wt - K.X. The angular frequency w is : related to the Energy E by Einstein's photon hypothesis, E = h nu : : w = 2 pi nu = 2 pi E/h = E/hbar : : The wave 3-vector K maps to the momentum 3-vector P by de Broglie's : wavelength equation, P = h/lambda. : : K = 2 pi/lambda = 2 pi P/h = P/hbar : : Substitute for the angular frequency w and the wave 3-vector K into : the total wave function Y : : Y = Exp(I (Et - P.X)/hbar) : : This is starting to look like physics, specifically the plane wave : solution for a free particle. Take the partial time derivative. : : dY/dt = I/hbar (E + t dE/dt - d(P.X)/dt) Y + (Et - P.X)/hbar dI/dt Y : : Multiply both sides by I^-1 hbar = -I hbar (Why does the inverse of : the phase equal its negative? The inverse of any quaternion is the : transpose divided by the norm. The transpose of a 3-vector is the : negative of the 3-vector. The norm is one. Voila.) : : - I hbar dY/dt = (E + t dE/dt - d(P.X)/dt) Y : : In the time-independent case, E, P and X are not functions of time so : : - I hbar d psi/dt = E psi Y -> psi for time-indep. : : Thus : : - I hbar d/dt = E : : For the time-independent wave function psi, energy is identical to : the operator -I hbar d/dt! The equivalence of energy and this : operator is known as the first quantization. : : Repeat this process for the spatial derivative of the total wave : function. : : Del Y = I/hbar (-P - X Del.P + Del Et) Y + (Et - P.X)/hbar DelxI Y : : If Y is time-independent, then Del Et = 0. I'm not sure why this is so, : but set X Del.P = 0. Multiply through by -I hbar to give: : : - I hbar Del psi = - P psi : : Momentum is equivalent to the operator I hbar Del. This operator : can be squared to yield : : - hbar^2 Del^2 psi = P^2 psi : : Define the kinetic energy in terms of this momentum. : : KE = m v^2/2 = (mv)^2/2 m = P^2/2 m = - hbar^2/2 m Del^2 : : The Hamiltonian of a system is the sum of the kinetic energy and the : potential energy. Write out the Hamiltonian of the the wave function Psi. : : H Psi = - I hbar d Psi/dt = - hbar^2/2 m Del^2 Psi + V(0, X) Psi : : This is the Schrodinger wave equation written as a quaternion. One : change involves the imaginary number i being replaced by the : noncommuting phase 3-vector I. Even more importantly, the wave : function Psi is not a quaternion, just like every other object in the : equation, including the operators. By choosing different potentials : V(0, X), it should be possible to solve the standard collection of : problems that confront the Schrodinger equation using quaternions : (but I've yet to do the work :-) : : What has been accomplished? We ended up very close to the : Schrodinger equation, one difference involving the commutativity of : i. There is probably a paper out there dealing with this topic, if I : could only find it :-) A subtle difference with subtle consequences? : That will have to await further work. : : The lesson of first quantization--that energy and momentum are : operators--holds only under the assumption of time-independence. : When E, P and X are functions of time, other terms in the partial time : derivative of the total wave function survive. : : What is most interesting about this line of work is not where I end : up--someplace familiar like with Schrodinger--but where I start, : often one step back from more typical approaches. At the center of : the total wave function is the scalar, wt - K.X. This scalar gets : packaged into a polar form to ease analysis. There are a number of : equivalent ways to write the scalar. : : (Et - P.X)/hbar = wt - K.X = 2 pi (nu t - 1/lambda . X) : : = 2 pi (t/t' - 1/X' . X) : : There is no difference among these four ways of writing this scalar : which is at the heart of the wave function so is the focus of the : Schrodinger equation. I find the last way the most suggestive: : : if (t/t' - 1/X' . X) is : an integer "n" a half integer "n/2" : Y = (cos(2 pi n), I sin(2 pi n) Y = (cos(pi n), I sin(pi n)) : = (1, 0) = (1, 0) or (0, +/- I) : : I still don't quite understand this message, but it keeps me wondering. : : : Doug : http://world.com/~sweetser : : Pushing physics backwards, : listening for the source of mathematics of nature. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 08:34:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26173; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:33:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:33:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129102556.00c8d4dc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:25:56 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Jack Demule question In-Reply-To: <34dca173.145546735@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> <3.0.32.19980130001404.00aa7320@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WmKmu3.0.pO6.A9rqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3562 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, All... At 09:18 1/31/98 GMT, Robin wrote: >And so it is. The cards obviously couldn't give a hoot whether you >open the envelope or not. >What does change when you open the envelope is your "knowledge" of >what is in the envelope (IOW you have taken a measurement). >And when you think about it, _that knowledge_, is the only thing that >is actually contained in the mathematical *models* that are created by >QM. >The models (i.e. equations) DO NOT describe reality. They only >describe our very limited knowledge of reality. It is therefore not in >the least surprising that our knowledge (and therefore our model) >changes when we measure something. After all, that is the whole >purpose of measurement in the first place. >IMO this view completely removes all the mysticism from "wave >collapse". (Either that, or I have missed the point entirely ;). Thank you for stating this so succinctly. This is precisely how I've come to view this aspect of Qm. The transmission of knowledge (information) FTL is not possible if the theory of relativity is correct... however an FTL influence is experimentally demonstrable, and it does not violate either the special or general relativity theories. Now, if scalar "waves" can be used to transmit information, then I believe, they are not FTL. As for hidden variables... I think the clever experiment performed by Alain Aspect should have laid that theory to rest. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "...and I work among cries and clatters like a venomous beaver in a parrot house. A letter full of nothing. Yours," -signed Dylan mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 09:11:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01135; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:11:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:11:05 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:31:32 -0800 Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Message-ID: <19980131.085411.11414.2.tv@juno.com> References: <199801310130.MAA10470@main.murray.net.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,7-13,16-17,19,21-31 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"NKMNM.0.eH.cirqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jeff, You do in fact have a very good web page. Thanks for making this info available. http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 The thing you describe bellow sounds sorta like the famous Henershot generator. Could you describe it more in detail ? I am not sure I follow. Tim >Try putting the charged electroyle capacitor and inside a >alternating toriod field and put the connecting leads just short of >shoting out. The toriod I used was some copper magnet wire wound on a iron >hitching ring about six inches in diameter. The actual ring about 1 inch thickness. >I actually did this by accident and it gave off a electrical discharge >at iregular periods for about a hour of an hour while I watched it in amusement. >I though the capacitor would discharge and then stop but it continued. >Until I distrubed it to find out what was happening and snuffed it out.. >unfortunately forget how I did it ,as it was several years ago and I >have been unable to reproduce the experiment or worked how I did it. > >Geoff _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 09:46:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28690; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:46:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:46:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD2E3D.A44F8700@pm3-160.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Special Relativity or Lorentz Relativity? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:44:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA28622 Resent-Message-ID: <"cfoYe.0.207.rDsqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Well, this discussion on FTL communication/travel is certainly broad in scope, with many divided opinions. I suppose I should list some experiments and pheonomena that seem to indicate the existence of FTL (real FTL, not apparent) or an absolute referenc e frame (which would allow FTL). Evidence for FTL phenomena: 1. Gunter Nimtz; transmitted Mozart's 40th Symphony encoded as microwaves at 4.7c 2. Raymond Chaio; transmission of group velocity at 1.7c 3. EPR like effects that seem to indicate nonlocal (superluminal) processes 4. High atmospheric cosmic ray showers indicate on occasion FTL precursor particles of tachyonic nature 5. Rest mass of electron neutrino recently found to be imaginary (still under investigation) Evidence for an absolute reference frame that would allow FTL: 1. Apparent anisotropy in the propagation of light waves through space (Borge Nodland) 2. Relativity appears unquantifiable unless an absolute time is accepted 3. Zero-Point-Flux is NOT Lorentz invariant in inertial frames of reference, indicating ZPF could stand as an 'ether'. 4. Robertson-Walker metric allowing absolute cosmological time frame 5. Universe now appears hyperbolic, with only 20% necessary mass to allow 'big crunch' Need I say more? The reason that most scientists refuse to accept the idea of an absolute reference frame or FTL travel is that it clashes with current theories. Reminiscent of the way the clerics treated Galileo and Copernicus. Arrogance and foolishness of this nature has always existed: or instance: 1. It was once believed that travelling faster than 15 mph would destroy a human body. Physical theories appeared to support this. 2. It was once believed that travelling near the speed of SOUND one's inertia and drag would reach infinity, making it impossible to accelerate past the sound barrier. This was 'proven' by aerodynamics theories at the time. I could go on and on. Suffice to say that it is very arrogant on the part of Relativistic Physicists to discount Lorentz Relativity and FTL travel when there is evidence pointing to them. Evidence that does not support Special Relativity. The old saying i s true: Nothing ever changes. Best Regards, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 "5000 years ago everyone KNEW the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago everyone KNEW the earth was flat. 50 years ago everyone KNEW we'd never go to the moon. Think of what you'll KNOW tomorrow." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 11:27:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14181; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129132154.00c92744@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:21:54 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Special Relativity or Lorentz Relativity? In-Reply-To: <01BD2E3D.A44F8700@pm3-160.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KY1xA1.0.TT3.Jitqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Kyle, all.... At 11:44 1/31/98 -0600, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: >Evidence for FTL phenomena: > >1. Gunter Nimtz; transmitted Mozart's 40th Symphony encoded as microwaves at 4.7c I believe this experiment has been shown to defective. Gunther Nimitz interpreted the experimental results, that can be easily explained with conventional EM theory, defectively >2. Raymond Chaio; transmission of group velocity at 1.7c I haven't heard of this before, were can I find it? >3. EPR like effects that seem to indicate nonlocal (superluminal) processes None that transmit information that I have heard of, just influences that we can only observe statistically. >4. High atmospheric cosmic ray showers indicate on occasion FTL precursor particles of tachyonic nature >5. Rest mass of electron neutrino recently found to be imaginary (still under investigation) Nether 4 or 5 strike me as evidence of anything but our ignorance of how things really work. Pure conjecture. >Evidence for an absolute reference frame that would allow FTL: > >1. Apparent anisotropy in the propagation of light waves through space (Borge Nodland) Yet there are a number of experiments that do not indicate this. >2. Relativity appears unquantifiable unless an absolute time is accepted Minkowski's work in describing the spatio-temporal relationship (interval), appears to show that there must be a critical velocity, an that it is the speed of light. No absolute time is required to use this relationship. >3. Zero-Point-Flux is NOT Lorentz invariant in inertial frames of reference, indicating ZPF could stand as an 'ether'. Who has _proven_ that either ZPF or an ether exist? >4. Robertson-Walker metric allowing absolute cosmological time frame >5. Universe now appears hyperbolic, with only 20% necessary mass to allow 'big crunch' More conjecture... I don't mean this in a harsh way, but aren't you confusing theories (even though they may be attractive and have lovely mathematical descriptions) with facts, which can be supported by experimental data? (Until proven wrong by other experimental data sometimes. :-/) >Need I say more? The reason that most scientists refuse to accept the idea of an absolute reference frame or FTL travel is that it clashes with current theories. Reminiscent of the way the clerics treated Galileo and Copernicus. Arrogance and foolishness of this nature has always existed: or instance: I'm attracted to the theories of Rienmann and Prigogine, so I'm hardly a fan of the Positivistic Copenhagen school... but isn't accepting any theory without substantial experimental data an act of faith? There is a lot of intellectual capital invested in the prevailing system of beliefs. I would be worried if they just tossed that away, jumping from one theory to the next, without strong evidence. >1. It was once believed that travelling faster than 15 mph would destroy a human body. Physical theories appeared to support this. >2. It was once believed that travelling near the speed of SOUND one's inertia and drag would reach infinity, making it impossible to accelerate past the sound barrier. This was 'proven by aerodynamics theories at the time. >I could go on and on. Suffice to say that it is very arrogant on the part of Relativistic Physicists to discount Lorentz Relativity and FTL travel when there is evidence pointing to them. Evidence that does not support Special Relativity. The old saying is true: Nothing ever changes. Well, yes... who said scientists were anything but human beings. Fallible, conceited, egotistical... yep, just as we all are to varying extent. This is last bit flat out wrong... things do change. The Advent of quantum mechanics set many physicists on their ear, and it was at times a vicious battle between the several factions (which still seems to sputter now and then.) Things do change, but it seems they change like an avalanche, once the experimental data becomes heavy enough to overwhelm the existing theories. I don't know if FTL transmission of anything is possible. There are some interesting experiments, that don't have any obvious flaws, which indicate that _something_ does happen at the speed of light causing the correlation that is observed. There is a lot of bad science... sloppy experiments, defective logic... but when it's wrapped up neatly enough people Buy into it. I'm amused by the ability of a few mathematical symbols to make people believe in things that cannot be proven... This is true in every camp. People then look for clever ways to prove their theory mathematically and this is good... but it's _not_ proven, and still remains a theory until the body of supporting experimental data, data from experiments reproducible by anyone with the were-with-all, can be provided. And now, I'll climb down from the soapbox. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "...and I work among cries and clatters like a venomous beaver in a parrot house. A letter full of nothing. Yours," -signed Dylan mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 14:11:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02062; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:11:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:11:27 -0800 From: "Paul Brown" To: Subject: Re: Special Relativity or Lorentz Relativity? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd2e95$0ff410a0$30a99bcf@isonix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vrBN.0.7W.E6wqq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 10:46 AM Subject: Special Relativity or Lorentz Relativity? >Evidence for FTL phenomena: > >1. Gunter Nimtz; transmitted Mozart's 40th Symphony encoded as microwaves at 4.7c >2. Raymond Chaio; transmission of group velocity at 1.7c >3. EPR like effects that seem to indicate nonlocal (superluminal) processes >4. High atmospheric cosmic ray showers indicate on occasion FTL precursor particles of tachyonic nature >5. Rest mass of electron neutrino recently found to be imaginary (still under investigation) > >Evidence for an absolute reference frame that would allow FTL: > >1. Apparent anisotropy in the propagation of light waves through space (Borge Nodland) >2. Relativity appears unquantifiable unless an absolute time is accepted >3. Zero-Point-Flux is NOT Lorentz invariant in inertial frames of reference, indicating ZPF could stand as an 'ether'. >4. Robertson-Walker metric allowing absolute cosmological time frame >5. Universe now appears hyperbolic, with only 20% necessary mass to allow 'big crunch' Kyle, Please cite references. I want to get these articles. This is great stuff. If you have these articles in your possession, I will pay the photocopy charges (it would be so much faster than inter-library loan). Thanks, Paul Brown brownpm@concentric.net >Kyle Randall Mcallister >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >Phone: 228-875-0629 >Fax: 228-872-5837 >"5000 years ago everyone KNEW the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago everyone KNEW the earth was flat. 50 years ago everyone KNEW we'd never go to the moon. Think of what you'll KNOW tomorrow." > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 18:35:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26129; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:35:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD2E87.56DF9D80@pm3-125.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Special Relativity or Lorentz Relativity? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:32:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2E87.56E8C540" Resent-Message-ID: <"Jx8Xg3.0.AO6.bzzqq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3567 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2E87.56E8C540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Jack DeMule[SMTP:mules@palacenet.net] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 1:21 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Special Relativity or Lorentz Relativity? Hello Kyle, all.... At 11:44 1/31/98 -0600, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: >>Evidence for FTL phenomena: >> >>1. Gunter Nimtz; transmitted Mozart's 40th Symphony encoded as = microwaves >at 4.7c >I believe this experiment has been shown to defective. >Gunther Nimitz interpreted the experimental results, >that can be easily explained with conventional EM theory, >defectively=20 Really? I'd never heard of this. What was the reason he was wrong, = and/or where could I find such information? >>2. Raymond Chaio; transmission of group velocity at 1.7c >I haven't heard of this before, were can I find it? You probably wouldn't be interested. Chaio interprets this as not a true = FTL transmission, just group velocity. A netsearch will show results, = etc. >>1. Apparent anisotropy in the propagation of light waves through space >>(Borge Nodland) >Yet there are a number of experiments that do not indicate this. This is cosmological. Do a netsearch for it. If you still can't find it, = I think I have an URL somewhere. >>3. Zero-Point-Flux is NOT Lorentz invariant in inertial frames of >reference, indicating ZPF could stand as an 'ether'. >Who has _proven_ that either ZPF or an ether exist? Hendrik Casimir, and one other in 1995(?). It's well know to exist. Kyle R. 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Nothing practical or noticable that I can think of, especially when >>the charge on the cap is static. If the cap is rapidly charging or >>discharging during that time, maybe some slight hall effects appear. But >>what would that do? >> >>- Rick Monteverde >>Honolulu, HI >> >>Try putting the charged electroyle capacitor and inside a >alternating toriod field and put the connecting leads just short of >shoting out. >The toriod I used was some copper magnet wire wound on a iron hitching ring >about six >inches in diameter. The actual ring about 1 inch thickness. > >I actually did this by accident and it gave off a electrical discharge >at iregular >periods for about a hour of an hour while I watched it in amusement. >I though the capacitor would discharge and then stop but it continued. > >Until I distrubed it to find out what was happening and snuffed it out.. >unfortunately forget how I did it ,as it was several years ago and I >have been unable to reproduce the experiment or worked how I did it. >> >>Geoff > Do you have any more details about the capacitor: value, voltage rating and applied voltage, spark gap, etc? My experiments have shown no changes with a 14000uF capacitor in the bore of an electromagnet, either DC or AC powered, about 10000 Amp turns, or a large pulse current from another capacitor bank. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 19:39:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04208; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:39:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:39:39 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:23:22 -0800 Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Message-ID: <19980131.192325.4414.1.tv@juno.com> References: <199802010256.SAA01352@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5,7-9,12-19,21-24,26-30 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"4ZlWy3.0.b11.tv-qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Do you have any more details about the capacitor: value, voltage rating and >applied voltage, spark gap, etc? My experiments have shown no changes with a >14000uF capacitor in the bore of an electromagnet, either DC or AC powered, >about 10000 Amp turns, or a large pulse current from another capacitor bank. >-Dave The thing that started this was a discussion of the Swiss testatika machine invented by Paul Baumann a member of the Christian commune Methernitha in Linden, Switzerland. Checkout Solaris web pages at: http://members.tripod.com/~kilowattfree/ and http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Look at the "principle" on the first one for reference to this magnet/capacitor thing. Speculation is that the capacitor has an electret for the dielectric. Please note the aluminum and copper plates. I don't know what different metal plates and the magnet and coil has to do with it though. Maybe just superfluous. Tim (tv@juno.com) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 31 21:31:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15180; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:30:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:28:37 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Updated drawing, LaFonte generator Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_886310918_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"eraj43.0.5j3.5Y0rq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_886310918_boundary Content-ID: <0_886310918@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Still typing operation description for comments. 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ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: testatika and capacitor anomolies Resent-Message-ID: <"qGuI3.0.av3.Wc0rq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3571 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Tim, Geoff and all, At 07:23 PM 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Do you have any more details about the capacitor: value, voltage rating >and >>applied voltage, spark gap, etc? My experiments have shown no changes >with a >>14000uF capacitor in the bore of an electromagnet, either DC or AC >powered, >>about 10000 Amp turns, or a large pulse current from another capacitor >bank. >>-Dave > >The thing that started this was a discussion of the Swiss testatika >machine invented by Paul Baumann a member of the Christian commune >Methernitha in Linden, Switzerland. Checkout Solaris web pages at: > >http://members.tripod.com/~kilowattfree/ > >and > >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > Yes, I don't understand the testatika either, these pages described the Linden experiment with a electret, which others, according to the notes, tried without results. My tests may have been more along Hendershot- how can a magnetic field affect an electrolytic capacitor? -Dave