From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 00:50:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA15248; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:50:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:50:39 -0800 Message-ID: <013801be3564$618a2e00$c7a645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: "Free Energy list" Subject: FTL communication idea. Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:54:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"4mDzw2.0.8k3.Vn8Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It was decideded that FTL stuff was considered on topic, right? oh well, in honor of the new year, (and that I finally worked this out in my head this week...) here is my idea for an "ansible" for you guys to find any reason why it would not work. Oh well, for those of you who are into laser optics and such, this will probably be easy for you to setup and test. OK, normally the EPR corralation, quantum inseperability, whatever it's called, is usually considered hopless for communication because you can't controll the polerization, you can only see the correlation after the fact. However, before I continue, I'd like to remind all of you about a certain fact about the infamous double slit expirament. If you somehow determine which slit the photons (or electrons or whatever you're using) are going through, the interference effect dissapears, and instead you just endup with some blobs of light. Keep this in mind, because this is the "clever part" of my idea. (assuming, that is, that my idea has any clever parts.) So, continuing, here is the basic setup: Start with a laser and one of those crystalls that when excited, emit photon pairs in opposite directions. If I remember right, the prlorizations of the correlated photons are opposite, right? (ie, if one if V the other is H) Now, on one side of the crystal, say the right side, you have some distance away, a polorization detection setup that can be switched on and off in such a way that when it is off, the polorization information in the incoming photons are destroyed. (easy enough) On the left side if the crystal, an equal distance away, is the following setup: A polerizing reflector, lets say H is transmitted and V is reflected. After that, you have some additional mirrors so that you have two parallel paths of equal length (and phase, if need be) one for H polorazation and one for V polorization, the distance between them such that you can... Place after these paths a thin, opaque whatever with two slits, one for each path, and after that, a wall or a photographic plate or something so that you can view the results. Here is how it would work: Let's say the polorization detector setup is currently off. Which means that the polorization of the correlated photons are still in a superposition. Which means that when they get to the polorizing reflector, they will take both paths, eventually to go through both slits, to generate nice interference patterns on the wall/photographic plate/extremely flat effigy of Newton. However, if I turn the polorization detector on, then because of the magic of the EPR effect, the polorization of corrolated photons are no longer in a superposition, which means each individual photon will only take one of the paths when it gets to the polorizing reflector, which means that eave individual photon will go through only one slit, and instead of a nice interference pattern, you will get the blobs. So, in effect, the polorization detector is the transmitter for this odd setup. Note that this would be great for counsiousness/reality expiraments. ie is it neccesery at the transmitting end for a person to actually be aware of the polorization data of each individual photon, or is a computer soring it good enough. There are also some things you might try with sending a messege back in time by modifying certain path lengths. Please please please give me some feedback on this idea. Thanks. Psy-Kosh From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 06:08:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA18560; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:08:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:08:31 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:07:16 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <368CCFE4.82ED4A36@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:38:44 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex , freenrg Subject: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OzSb53.0.jX4.URDZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, (posted also to freenrg list regarding interest to FTL on this list, sorry to who will receive it twice.) This should be an important paper on FTL from G. Nimtz who widely known from his superluminal experiments. Very interesting properties of this signal are stated on the abstract below. Just released today and available from LANL archive at http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/9812053. Regards, hamdi ucar Physics, abstract physics/9812053 From: Guenter Nimtz Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:52:11 GMT (95kb) Superluminal Signal Velocity Authors: Guenter Nimtz Comments: 7 pages, 4 figures Subj-class: Classical Physics Journal-ref: Ann. Phys. (Leipzig) 7 (1998) 618 It recently has been demonstrated that signals conveyed by evanescent modes can travel faster than light. In this report some special features of signals are introduced and investigated, for instance the fundamental property that signals are frequency band limited. Evanescent modes are characterized by extraordinary properties: Their energy is {\it negative}, they are not directly measurable, and the evanescent region is not causal since the modes traverse this region instantaneously. The study demonstrates the necessity of quantum mechanical principles in order to interprete the superluminal signal velocity of classical evanescent modes. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 07:19:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA31940 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:24 -0800 X-Envelope-From: DrJastram@aol.com Fri Jan 1 07:19:23 1999 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA31909; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:22 -0800 From: DrJastram@aol.com Received: from DrJastram@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0UIOa05506; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Old-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:18:16 EST To: kbsdk@swbell.net, sales@newebpage.com, sales@tickethelp.com, rife-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-1@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net, leapent@gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I need help (off topic) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: Happy New Year, Darryl! Your request brings up some interresting questions that you may want to consider if the following is not familiar to you. First, you are correct about the use/abuse of police power to enhance revenue collection. Second, if you have a valid driver's license, legally you are holding evidence of your consent to be regulated. This means that you have a contract with the corporation called The State of______ (wherever you have your license) in which they agree to allow you to use the roads for your commerce in exchange for your doing it their way and to pay them fines and court costs (read tax) of regulating you if you do not. Third, I doubt that you will find a definition of 'traffic infraction' in your state motor vehicle codes, but you will find it in the "Uniform Code Of Military Justice". If you look a bit, you will find that traffic courts and magistrate courts are operating in the form of Military Summary Courts Martial Against Civilians. Look up Summary Court Martial in the Marine Corps Manual or something similar. It's quite enlightening. Why is all this important, especially to you who would like to stay out of their clutches? If you understand where you stand, and where they stand, you're less likely to make a difficult mistake. What has to be so for the above to be so? Could it be that we lost the Republic in 1861 when Lincoln called back the Congress under Executive Order and the President has been ruling by executive orders ever since under the Doctrine of Necessity ( an Axiom of Law states that "Necessity Knows No Law"), and we have been lawless, living under effective martial law rule ( a mild form of martial law where the occupying forces are not overt, but present; perhaps this is the reason for the chain of command from the Federal forces to the National Guard to the State Police to the local police, excuse me, the cooperation between all of these)? One thing to tie it all together. Such a device as you are requesting help with would obviously put out a signal which would itself be detectable. They are not stupid, and they have among their statutes (that you have agreed to obey via your holding their Driver's License) some pretty strong sanctions against the application of jammers etc. Nobody said it was fair, just that you are under the contract that you agreed to by virtue of your asking for and accepting their Driver's or Operator's License. An aside: If you drive (or handle your conveyance) in such a way as to scare or startle other folks on the road, that is a breach of the peace and constitutes Disturbing the Peace. That is against the Law, never mind the traffic statutes. If you would be out from under the statutes, you must be under the Law via your living action beyond your verbal declaration. Yours for a Good New Year, Ned From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 09:11:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA25820; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:11:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:11:40 -0800 Message-ID: <014901be35aa$668ece60$c7a645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: Subject: Re: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:15:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"PJjMQ3.0.LJ6.C7GZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What are evanescent waves? Psy-Kosh From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 10:21:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA08505; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:21:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:21:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199901011820.MAA10873@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Circuit...Re: Searching project ! Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 13:22:29 -0700 x-sender: perelman@popd.ix.netcom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Ian Webb To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"deX3h3.0.k42.M8HZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >From: "Fred Epps" > I expect some readers to be disbelievers. That is OK. If you >ever have the opportunity to see a well controlled experiment, such as the >matter change experiments you will be glad you did. > To see a test tube full of water clamped onto ring stand and >instrumented solely with optics...CHANGE in some property... say surface >tension ... just by the intent and dowsing reflex of a dowser who does >NOT touch the set up.... and see this reproducibly ... well 'ya jest >ain't lived good yit' I'd be interested in either 1) references if any such research was published or 2) a description of the setup that perhaps someone on the list could replicate (afraid I don't know any dowsers myself) Thanks -- this experiment sounds like a real proof that dowsing exists, and I would love to have some additional information that would clarify things. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 10:24:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09674; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:24:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:24:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:24:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901011824.KAA20181@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Open letter to freenrg and Joe Newman Resent-Message-ID: <"35HIe2.0.3N2.VBHZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Evan and all freenrg, Here are my general comments, 1) Please read Bill's page on direction of current. For wires, I still think it's a matter of convention. I quess in the arc you can ask "What direction does the current flow?" What conclusion about Joe's work is changed by "negative to positive" flow? 2) Current spikes In this circuit, a is the neg. terminal of the battery. a b ----.-> .-----OOOO| Coil _ Switch | -Battery | +-----------------| When the switch is opened, the point b raised to a high positive value, limited to the arc breakdown voltage at the switch. This in itself would not recharge the battery (It, as Bill stated, is still the wrong direction). The current would have to be reversed, by for example 1/2 cycle later in a resonant cycle. There is the winding capacitance across the coil. The induced voltage from the rotating magnet could be the reversed source of any recharging current, also through the arc. This would be generator operation. Is there any debate though, that RF spikes are generated?? 3) Minna-K. motor To measure the torque, sliding friction has to be removed (from the pully and rope). Either no slippage, like a winch should be used, or for a short time the slippage is stopped, as in using the clamps on a Prony brake to deflect the lever arm. Otherwise there is a large error in the measured output. It also appears from discussions that the M-K. motor uses about the normal mass of copper for a 3HP motor? Is Joe removing his claim that a high amount of mass of Cu is required? And as Stefan stated, if it was stolen ou technology, why would it be used in a low niche fishing trolling motor? Also 0.5 Ohms resistance means 24 Amps max at 12 Volts. 4) Try and prove it yourself? How? Joe's latest motor appears different from those described in his books, which use HV coils like those of Jean-Louis and Stefan. The latest motor has an lower voltage inductor connected to a 110V battery with his commutator. I will not repeat the 3 questions here. 5) Trust fund. The IRS has its hand in most anything. Is this trust setup legally now to be tax exempt? How much $ does Joe require to sell 200 Watt units? Evan, please pass these questions on at your convenience. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 10:31:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13329; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:31:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:31:24 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014901be35aa$668ece60$c7a645d1@nim-machine> References: Conversation <014901be35aa$668ece60$c7a645d1@nim-machine> with last message <014901be35aa$668ece60$c7a645d1@nim-machine> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FREE ENERGY" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mike Connolly" Subject: Fw: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 99 12:31:13 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZquXs.0.AG3.yHHZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: just a few stupid questions from a lurker a) we all know that heat destroys permanent magnets, but does supercooling increase their field strength?; also what effect does supercooling have on electromagnets? if strengtn increases, where does the increase come from? b)what effect does an energized coil wrapped around a rare-earth magnet have? increase, decrease or no effect on field strength? whatever the answer, why? c) if gravity is instantaneous wouldn't we continuously be seeing changes in the overall gravitational field in the universe as stars burn out, go nova or supernova, planets explode/collide, etc.? i guess we wouldn't have to wait 8+ minutes to know if our own sun exploded would we?? we would definitely feel that one before we would see it!! thanks G'DAY! Mike Connolly Bulk Feed Tank Product Manager GRAIN SYSTEMS, INC. P.O. BOX 20 Assumption, IL 62510 PH: 217.226.4421 FAX: 217.226.4420 U.S. FAX: 800.800.5329 E-MAIL: mconnolly@grainsystems.com ---------- > Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 09:15:56 > From: Psy-Kosh > To: FREE ENERGY > Subject: Re: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) > > What are evanescent waves? > > Psy-Kosh > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 14:48:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA24493; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:48:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:48:04 -0800 Message-ID: <00b001be35d8$e0a57360$878280d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , , , , , , , Cc: Subject: Re: I need help Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ladXl2.0.Q-5.a2LZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone know how I can put together a radar transmission scrambler >and a car coaking device. Just look to the military, they are way ahead of the game - all that tax money we spent that DIDN'T go to local law enforcement agencies (hehe) - use their research - you paid for it after all, I saw a special on a car designed like stealth airplanes using the "hopeless diamond" shape to minimize radar signature costs only about a million or so and I believe there is only ONE in the world right now - but there is nothing stopping you from building it yourself. Then there is the issue of special radar absorbing paint - I believe it is illegal to own - but we are talking about breaking the law anyways so what the hell (wink) - I believe black market prices are only tens of thousands of dollars or so. Of course if the nice officer sees a black F117 looking car coming down the road very fast with no radar signature he MIGHT just get a LITTLE suspiscious, so you will have to invest in false radar transmission technology to accurately project a signature of say - 35 MPH - that should ease the nice officers suspicions. Probably only a few thousand dollars, but then of course law enforcement will develop new technology (paid for by YOU of course - the taxpayer trying not to get caught) to intercept false radar transmissions because they will notice a fall in ticketing SO of course you will want to mount the occassional sidewinder missle in case the nice officer has the audacity to try and pull you over, after the loss of a few Roscoe Pecoe Trains (duke talk for nice officer) - taxes will have to go up so that we the taxpayers can buy armor protected police cruisers so that they can prevent us from speeding and blowing them up etc etc etc Who manufactures the radar guns and the radar detectors? Flip sides of the same coin wouldn't you say? With this combination, I could scramble all >police radar signaling and become virtually invisible while driving pass >a police car. I guess I would also need an efficent way to police cars >approaching. Please help me with this idea. > >Darryl > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 17:00:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28911; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:00:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:00:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199901020100.TAA21116@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:59:45 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QkQvC.0.Z37.n-MZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: Mike Connolly > To: FREE ENERGY > Subject: Fw: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) > Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:31 PM > > just a few stupid questions from a lurker > > a) we all know that heat destroys permanent magnets, but does supercooling > increase their field strength?; YES, because the metal bcomes more dense. > also what effect does supercooling have on electromagnets? if strengtn > increases, where does the increase > come from? An elctromagnet produces both magnetism and heat. The heat come from the resistance of the conductor. As the conductor is cooled, it's resistance drops, and the resulting extra current produces more magnetism. > > b)what effect does an energized coil wrapped around a rare-earth magnet > have? increase, decrease or > no effect on field strength? whatever the answer, why? It will increase or decrease strength depending on current direction thru the coil and current amount. > > c) if gravity is instantaneous wouldn't we continuously be seeing changes > in the overall gravitational field > in the universe as stars burn out, go nova or supernova, planets > explode/collide, etc.? Gravity is constant and we feel the collective effects of it from all matter...ie.... the moon and the tide. When an explosion happens, there is still a lot of matter left.....maybe 10% of the explosive matter is broken down to neutrinos, etc. A large explosion is nothing compared to the total mass of the universe, so we shouldn't feel much. When we get to where we can accurately measure gravity waves, we will learn much more. > I guess we wouldn't have to wait 8+ minutes to know if our own sun > exploded would we?? we would definitely feel that one before we would see > it!! When the sun explodes, it will be nuclear, and all the energy forms released will still on reach the speed of light, so you will have to wait 8 minutes to find out anything, altho you might only know for a nanosecond. Just some thoughts......Joe > > thanks > > G'DAY! > > Mike Connolly Bulk Feed Tank Product Manager GRAIN SYSTEMS, INC. > P.O. BOX 20 Assumption, IL 62510 > PH: 217.226.4421 FAX: 217.226.4420 U.S. FAX: 800.800.5329 > E-MAIL: mconnolly@grainsystems.com > > ---------- > > Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 09:15:56 > > From: Psy-Kosh > > To: FREE ENERGY > > Subject: Re: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) > > > > What are evanescent waves? > > > > Psy-Kosh > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 20:24:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA17012 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:24:45 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:24:45 -0800 X-Envelope-From: MAILER-DAEMON@mx1.eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 20:24:45 1999 Received: from mail.stats.govt.nz ([192.195.12.50]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17001 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:24:44 -0800 Received: by mail.stats.govt.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 4C2566ED.001DAFBD ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:24:15 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INTERNET From: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz Reply-To: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz To: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Message-ID: <4C2566ED.001DAE12.00@mail.stats.govt.nz> Old-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:10:05 +0000 Subject: Re: static charge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l-request Status: O X-Status: Delivery Failure Report Your Re: static charge document: was not Mark Hooper@STATISTICS NZ delivered to : because: Router: Unable to open mailbox file WNOT01 mail.box: Server not responding mail/Internet, mail/Internet ________________________ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: From: "Bill Wallace`" Date: 01/01/99 04:10:05 AM GMT Subject: Re: static charge I am curious as to what geological formations on our planet cause areas of great static charge, ball lightning seems far more common over flat plains than high peaks, far more common near fault lines or earthquakes or volcanos than areas of low geologic stress, how does charge buildup compare to flat landmasses over the oceans. Where does the greatest natural electrical activity seem to happen over the planet and why? Any ideas? >> > >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 21:09:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA29616 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:09:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:09:51 -0800 X-Envelope-From: MAILER-DAEMON@mx1.eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 21:09:50 1999 Received: from mail.stats.govt.nz ([192.195.12.50]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA29604 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:09:50 -0800 Received: by mail.stats.govt.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 4C2566ED.0021D23B ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:09:25 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INTERNET From: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz Reply-To: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz To: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Message-ID: <4C2566ED.0021D00C.00@mail.stats.govt.nz> Old-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:59:26 +0000 Subject: Re: static charge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l-request Status: O X-Status: Delivery Failure Report Your Re: static charge document: was not Mark Hooper@STATISTICS NZ delivered to : because: Router: Unable to open mailbox file WNOT01 mail.box: Server not responding mail/Internet, mail/Internet ________________________ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: From: sno Date: 01/01/99 04:59:26 AM GMT Subject: Re: static charge Something curious I ran across, which may apply....I have a friend in Austalia who has a hobby of metal detecting, for gold nuggets...he claims that the backround noise, caused by mineralization where he detects...is much less immediately after thunder storms...(he has the nuggets to prove it ).....I have wondered if ball lightning might be caused by a static charge over a large area.....steve opelc Bill Wallace` wrote: > > I am curious as to what geological formations on our planet cause areas of > great static charge, ball lightning seems far more common over flat plains > than high peaks, far more common near fault lines or earthquakes or volcanos > than areas of low geologic stress, how does charge buildup compare to flat > landmasses over the oceans. Where does the greatest natural electrical > activity seem to happen over the planet and why? Any ideas? > > >> > >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 23:40:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA05609 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:40:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:40:34 -0800 X-Envelope-From: MAILER-DAEMON@mx1.eskimo.com Fri Jan 1 23:40:33 1999 Received: from mail.stats.govt.nz ([192.195.12.50]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05599 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:40:33 -0800 Received: by mail.stats.govt.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 4C2566ED.002F9D57 ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:40:04 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INTERNET From: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz Reply-To: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz To: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Message-ID: <4C2566ED.002F9B82.00@mail.stats.govt.nz> Old-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:38:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l-request Status: O X-Status: Delivery Failure Report Your Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 document: was not Mark Hooper@STATISTICS NZ delivered to : because: Router: Unable to open mailbox file WNOT01 mail.box: Server not responding mail/Internet, mail/Internet ________________________ To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: From: Keith Nagel Date: 01/01/99 07:38:59 AM GMT Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 In the fine tradition of that great american poet and idealist, William S. Burroughs; a cut-up of Joe Newman 1/1/99 MESSAGE TO THE WORLD! >There are those who - through either ignorance or deliberate lying - tell >you the following incorrect information - > Both of the above statements are blatantly false! Such statements are >made by individuals wishing to confuse and confound your understanding of >my life's work for you and humanity. Don't let anyone lie to you and tell you >otherwise. > This is a deliberate LIE! >has deliberately LIED to you, for the purpose of confusing you. > If they lie to you about the above, I hope you realize that they have >also lied to you when they attempt to deny the fact > Therefore, the honest and thinking person knows that > Just as nonbelievers and liars attacked, ridiculed, and denied the >success of Galileo's telescope, so can honest and sincere persons witness >the same treatment concerning my life's work for humanity. > Dishonest and lying individuals can be expected to attack my life's >work. > The Power Brokers have intentionally kept me off the stock market so >that you, the people, could not assist my company in raising the necessary >capital to produce my life's work. I >WILL NOT SELL OUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AND THE WORLD - NOT FOR ANY >AMOUNT OF MONEY I HAVE BEEN OFFERED, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT MY LIFE HAS >BEEN THREATENED IF I DID NOT SELL YOU OUT! "olde" Reverend Joe? > As anyone knows who has followed my work in the past, I strongly believe >in a concept of God. > It is my personal and sincere belief that the God in which I have chosen >to believe has provided me with a new direction for my technology for you >and for all of humanity. During the concluding days of my week-long >demonstration in Scottsdale, Arizona, several knowledgeable individuals >have caringly expressed to me their belief that I should establish a >Foundation for my work. > > As a result of their suggestions and input, that is exactly what I am >now doing. And, in accordance with my personal and strong belief in a >Diety (for which I do not apologize), I have entitled the name of this >Foundation: "God's Free Energy - Fresh Water - and Clean Environment >Foundation." It is my intent that the production of my life's work be >accomplished by this newly-created nonprofit entity. I invite YOU - the >people of the world who are caring and honest people and who are truly >concerned about the future of our planet, as well as its quality of life >for our children, our loved ones, and even the well-being of other species >which inhabit planet earth with us - to give whatever amount you can afford >- whatever it may be - to this worthy Foundation, for the benefit of >humanity through the production of this technology. The intent of the >nonprofit Foundation is to also provide you with a tax-deduction for >whatever amount you can provide. > > The facts prove that I have given my life and will continue to do so. I >invite you to join me in my FIGHT for you and all of humanity. Together we >will succeed and I sincerely believe that God is with us! > I've been wanting to ask this question but didn't know how to phrase it. Where does the money go Evan? >Your contribution to the Foundation can be sent to: > >God's Free Energy, Fresh Water, >and Clean Environment Foundation >at: >11259 E. Via Linda, #100/943 >Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 OK, so I fibbed, I'm gonna ask again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. And yes, I'm fully aware of Joes number >(602) 657-3722 K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 00:55:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA15561 for bilb@eskimo.com; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:55:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:55:49 -0800 X-Envelope-From: MAILER-DAEMON@mx1.eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 00:55:47 1999 Received: from mail.stats.govt.nz ([192.195.12.50]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA15535 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:55:46 -0800 Received: by mail.stats.govt.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 4C2566ED.00368074 ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:55:18 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INTERNET From: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz Reply-To: postmaster@mail.stats.govt.nz To: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Message-ID: <4C2566ED.00367F69.00@mail.stats.govt.nz> Old-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:54:44 +0000 Subject: FTL communication idea. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l-request Status: O X-Status: Delivery Failure Report Your FTL communication idea. document: was not Mark Hooper@STATISTICS NZ delivered to : because: Router: Unable to open mailbox file WNOT01 mail.box: Server not responding mail/Internet, mail/Internet ________________________ To: "Free Energy list" cc: From: "Psy-Kosh" Date: 01/01/99 08:54:44 AM GMT Subject: FTL communication idea. It was decideded that FTL stuff was considered on topic, right? oh well, in honor of the new year, (and that I finally worked this out in my head this week...) here is my idea for an "ansible" for you guys to find any reason why it would not work. Oh well, for those of you who are into laser optics and such, this will probably be easy for you to setup and test. OK, normally the EPR corralation, quantum inseperability, whatever it's called, is usually considered hopless for communication because you can't controll the polerization, you can only see the correlation after the fact. However, before I continue, I'd like to remind all of you about a certain fact about the infamous double slit expirament. If you somehow determine which slit the photons (or electrons or whatever you're using) are going through, the interference effect dissapears, and instead you just endup with some blobs of light. Keep this in mind, because this is the "clever part" of my idea. (assuming, that is, that my idea has any clever parts.) So, continuing, here is the basic setup: Start with a laser and one of those crystalls that when excited, emit photon pairs in opposite directions. If I remember right, the prlorizations of the correlated photons are opposite, right? (ie, if one if V the other is H) Now, on one side of the crystal, say the right side, you have some distance away, a polorization detection setup that can be switched on and off in such a way that when it is off, the polorization information in the incoming photons are destroyed. (easy enough) On the left side if the crystal, an equal distance away, is the following setup: A polerizing reflector, lets say H is transmitted and V is reflected. After that, you have some additional mirrors so that you have two parallel paths of equal length (and phase, if need be) one for H polorazation and one for V polorization, the distance between them such that you can... Place after these paths a thin, opaque whatever with two slits, one for each path, and after that, a wall or a photographic plate or something so that you can view the results. Here is how it would work: Let's say the polorization detector setup is currently off. Which means that the polorization of the correlated photons are still in a superposition. Which means that when they get to the polorizing reflector, they will take both paths, eventually to go through both slits, to generate nice interference patterns on the wall/photographic plate/extremely flat effigy of Newton. However, if I turn the polorization detector on, then because of the magic of the EPR effect, the polorization of corrolated photons are no longer in a superposition, which means each individual photon will only take one of the paths when it gets to the polorizing reflector, which means that eave individual photon will go through only one slit, and instead of a nice interference pattern, you will get the blobs. So, in effect, the polorization detector is the transmitter for this odd setup. Note that this would be great for counsiousness/reality expiraments. ie is it neccesery at the transmitting end for a person to actually be aware of the polorization data of each individual photon, or is a computer soring it good enough. There are also some things you might try with sending a messege back in time by modifying certain path lengths. Please please please give me some feedback on this idea. Thanks. Psy-Kosh From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 00:59:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA16460; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:59:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:59:15 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <202f9246.368ddfa4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 03:58:12 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Electromagnetic Resonance Capacitor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"vrdm23.0.514.Z_TZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I just found this information "Electromagnetic Resonance Capacitor" at this address below. There is no other info there that I could see off, but here is the link if you want to check up yourself. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/crystal/100/emrc.html Far out experement Mehmet. What follows is mainly theory. Check back here in another couple of days for a more complete posting. 1. Main Purpose/Theory of Operation The Electromagnetic Resonance Capacitor EMRC for short, is a wheel approximately 23" in diameter with a center hub of 5" in diameter and 1/4" and 1/2" thick. Twelve steel all threads extend from the outer hub to the wheel. These all threads are attached to the hub with nuts on both the outside and the inside of the hub and attached to the wheel with nuts on both the outside and inside of the wheel. The wheel itsself is wrapped with copper magnet wire. The wire guage is best if it is between 28-32. The number of wrappings is based upon which frequency you wish the wheel to resonate at. The device is then encased in a round box that is 32" in diameter and contains 12 electromagnets at each of the points of the clock corresponding to one of the steel all threads. This part is designed in accordance with the Bedini Magnetic Gate principle. This last part is optional. This device works by centrifugal force. When rotated at about 2000RPMS the free electrons in the steel all threads begin to move towards the edge of the rim of the wheel. This charges the outside rim of the wheel with a negative polarity. This also creates a vacuum of electrons in the all threads. The gyroscopic spin of the device allows the aether to produce electrons and protons by disturbing and distorting it. The electrons then fill the gap of the other free electrons and move to the outside of the rim as well while the protons stay in the center. One of the leads from the torodial wrapping of the wheel is connected to the center of the device and the other is connected to the outside rim of the wheel. This induces a current in the wheel (which is a toroid electromagnet or TEM) which causes the TEM to resonate at the frequency that was determined by the number of wire wrappings. I wrapped mine so that it would resonate at 182Khz the claimed resonant frequency of gravity. This device then starts to generate an electric field around itsself as the rotational speed increases. This field then produces electrical discharges of up to 6ft (only one so far) and usually up to 1-2ft and disruption and sometimes even explosion of electric equipment. The end effect is the overcoming of the Earth's gravity field and the complete cancellation of mass resulting in Faster Than Light speeds. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 12:09:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09062; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:09:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:09:05 -0800 Message-ID: <009b01be368b$f7ce5080$805cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Resonance Capacitor Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:02:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JDGQH1.0.VD2.WpdZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >What follows is mainly theory. Check back here in another couple of days for a >more complete posting. Dated February 19, last year. -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 16:21:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13462; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:20:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:20:57 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Notes...Dowsing... Circuit Searching project Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:10:06 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"zISxv3.0.BI3.fVhZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Many of you may not know, in much depth, about dowsing. I have >found it to be both powerful and mysterious. With good dowsers, never a >dull moment! > > Some thoughts on the matter, in no particular order; > 2] many people, dowsers included, have fixed notions about what >Dowsing is, what can or cannot be done. A couple of examples of dowsers' >fixed ideas; > a] One legend was a 'finder' dowser [those who can find lost items] There is a Dowser here in my area that I've spent a bit of time with. His 'fixed idea' is that if he ever takes $ for it, he will lose his 'gift'. He does however eat very well, as he is happy to take a 'free meal' after finding you a water well. While he can find you just about any thing that you ask him to look for, because a few greedy people tried to take advantage of him, it now just sticks to water well work. > I expect some readers to be disbelievers. The dowser gave his favorite implement, a Peach Branch (He'll use whats at hand but likes Peach for some reasons when its available, doesn't seem to know why), to a 'disbeliever'. As expected nothing at all happened. Then the Dowser took hold of the disbelievers Ear Lobe and it looked like the branch was about to be ripped out of the now-believer hand, and described the sensation the same way as it appeared. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 18:19:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21538; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:19:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:19:28 -0800 Message-ID: <01d401be36c0$1947a8e0$c7a645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:23:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"wKKSa1.0.NG5.lEjZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I just realized that there is one minor component that might be neccesery to add: a 90 degree polorization rotator in one of the paths after the polorizing beam splitter to act as a quantum erasure component and ensure that interference occurs when we want it to. (ie, if the "transmitter" ie polorization detector, is sendint a 0 bit) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 18:53:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA32641; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:52:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:52:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199901030252.VAA06167@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:52:58 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E0rC73.0.wz7.9kjZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Just a question, what is polarisation ? especially, what is polarisation of light ? thanks. ---------- > De : Psy-Kosh > A : freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Objet : Re: FTL communication idea. > Date : 2 janvier, 1999 20:23 > > I just realized that there is one minor component that might be > neccesery to add: a 90 degree polorization rotator in one of the paths after > the polorizing beam splitter to act as a quantum erasure component and > ensure that interference occurs when we want it to. (ie, if the > "transmitter" ie polorization detector, is sendint a 0 bit) > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 19:19:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA09287; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:19:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:19:13 -0800 Message-ID: <003901be36c8$0b761640$e85cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: , "vortex" , "KeelyNet Maillist" Subject: Re: Superluminal Signal Velocity (eprint:physics/9812053) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:20:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"KrlPk3.0.xG2.m6kZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is being posted to KeelyNet as well as to freenrg-L. There's something non-intuitive (to me, anyway) in the Nimtz paper. In addition to undersized waveguides, he states that waves can tunnel through "periodic dielectric heterostructures". An illustration of this appears to be nothing more than a series of alternating blocks of materials with differing dielectric constants. This is the non-intuitive part. The propagation velocity through either of them should be less than c, so how is the total propagation velocity greater than c? -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 19:21:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA10421; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:21:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:21:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01e501be36c8$bab5fa80$c7a645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:25:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pw4vW3.0.kY2.f8kZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Tremblay To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. >Hi, > >Just a question, what is polarisation ? > >especially, what is polarisation of light ? > >thanks. orientation of the wave Psy-Kosh From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 2 23:53:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA09273; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:52:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:52:59 -0800 Message-ID: <010701be361f$d73df300$0bea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:16:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FmXP-3.0.oG2.Q7oZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I just realized that there is one minor component that might be >neccesery to add: a 90 degree polorization rotator in one of the paths after >the polorizing beam splitter to act as a quantum erasure component and >ensure that interference occurs when we want it to. (ie, if the >"transmitter" ie polorization detector, is sendint a 0 bit) > Take a look at R.M. Kiehn's website at: http://www22.pair.com/csdc/car/carhomep.htm He is a topologist using advanced mathematical tools to create very general models of, among other things, Maxwell's equations. He shows in a paper on this page, "Electromagnetic Waves In The Vacuum With Torsion And Spin", that a number of new forms of EM waves can be created. He shows that Torsion (helicity) and Spin are as basic characteristics of EM as polarization or current, and are basically new forms of energy that can affect matter. A circularly polarized (rotating vector) wave is an important part of his argument. He shows that some of these new forms of EM have no velocity restriction, and can carry power. This is just a little of what he demonstrates. Read the paper even if you have to skip some of the math like I did. It is worth it. An engineer who can follow the math of his wave descriptions could create a number of very interesting gadgets indeed. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 04:30:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA17927 for bilb@eskimo.com; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:30:37 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:30:37 -0800 X-Envelope-From: rdunn@gis.net Sun Jan 3 04:30:35 1999 Received: from home.gis.net (home.gis.net [208.218.130.20]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17873; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:30:32 -0800 Received: from rdunn.gis.net (ppp33-34.gis.net [216.41.33.34]) by home.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+djf) with SMTP id HAA24366; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 07:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005a01be3779$21a53c00$222129d8@rdunn.gis.net> From: "Richard Dunn" To: , , , , , , , Cc: Subject: Re: I need help Old-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:47:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: Said device already exists and goes for about $300.00, check out the newer higher end radar detectors, with radar cancellation features. This feature gives you more time to salow down, as it is lees effective at closer range. Further. most police have radio relay transponders, which may be detected within a few miles. Devices are available which issue warnings based on this fact. Pick up a good book on defeating radar, $15.00 to 30.00. At least in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, supposedly. Car & Driver did a piece years ago whereby they put up a sweet little dial a speed transponder, and hung in the weeds to the chagrin of at least one retired couple. You see they used a radar calibration unit to dial there speed up to 90 mph when they were actually doing 40. Further, there are license plate covers for $20.00 to $30.00 which absorb laser beams for guns and hood shields which absorb radar. A couple of magazines have published complete plans for a radar calibration unit, i.e. dial the speed you want them to see. Note: if you get caught with said device active there may be jail time and or fines - $5-10k. I assume no legal liability, you are responsible for your own actions, this is for informational purposes only. P.S. There are books on cop behavior and radar, usually they are lazy and once you know hwere they hang out, just slow donw in those areas, find out what to look for, be aware. I have driven for 30+ years and except for the second day I had my license, I go like hell and do not get tickets. I get a rebate on insurance, The trick is knowing where the cops are before they do. I do not believe that you need all the good stuff, but once you know where they are, vary your route, avoid them. -----Original Message----- From: nmb To: sales@newebpage.com ; sales@tickethelp.com ; rife-list@eskimo.com ; freenrg-1@eskimo.com ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; jdecker@keelynet.com ; KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net Cc: leapent@gte.net Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:11 PM Subject: I need help >Hello Everyone, > >I have had enough of the police officers with their high tech radars and >strategic locations on the road. Every little chance they get, they will >try to pull you over to write you a traffic ticket just to meet a quota. >Does anyone know how I can put together a radar transmission scrambler >and a car coaking device. With this combination, I could scramble all >police radar signaling and become virtually invisible while driving pass >a police car. I guess I would also need an efficent way to police cars >approaching. Please help me with this idea. > >Darryl > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave this list, email > with the body text: leave Keelynet > list archives and on line subscription forms are at > http://dallastexas.net/keelynet/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 11:05:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA01724; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:04:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:04:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990103141249.00c95e90@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:12:51 -0500 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: RQM? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Jm3zB.0.qQ.RzxZs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi folks. Remember RQM? JLN has a pretty substantial chunk of their material at his site. More exists @ www.rqm.com. I don't know what to make of it; slick presentation but lacking in substantive details. However, the patent for the device can be found here http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf in pdf form. Any comments from the peanut gallery? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 13:33:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA14922; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:33:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:33:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990103163141.00928ab0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:32:58 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Resonance Capacitor In-Reply-To: <009b01be368b$f7ce5080$805cadd1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bSE-N.0._e3.S8-Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>What follows is mainly theory. Check back here in another couple of days >for a >>more complete posting. > >Dated February 19, last year. am i not getting some of the mails from the free energy list? cuz some of the responses i read after the first posting don't make sense, i think i may not be receiving some of them. was there a response before this? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 17:41:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA07566; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:41:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:41:48 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:39:14 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"J_wXK1.0.7s1.Sn1as"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/2/99 6:58:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, energeon@microtec.net writes: << Just a question, what is polarisation ? especially, what is polarisation of light ? thanks. >> Just briefly, electromagnetic waves including light consist of oscillating electric and magnetic fields at right angles and both perpendicular to the direction the wave is moving. The "polarization" is the direction in space of the electric field. For a plane wave the direction of the electric field defines a plane. For circularly polarized waves the E field (and the magnetic field as well of course) describes a circle in a plane perpendicular to the waves motion. There are many texts which describe this in more detail, but I hope this helps. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 18:22:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21540; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:22:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: <369040D4.1E5C9E70@itn.cl> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:17:24 -0500 From: Felix Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: a BREAKTHROUGH ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NUq0r2.0.TG5.CN2as"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A real Breakthrough ? --------------------- Scientist T.Ohmori reports a energy excess process and claims 183 watt energy output which represents an energy gain of 260 percent. The process is a special electrolysis with Light Water. Report comes from the Catalysis Research Center, Hokkaido, Japan. All 6 report-pages can be found at: http://www.eden.com/~little and there click: SPECIAL: T.Ohmori & Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 18:25:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA23631; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:25:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:25:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3690258E.9636D252@harti.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 03:21:02 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, dave dameron , Newman-L Mailing List , Jean Louis Naudin Subject: Re: Newman capacitor...Open letter to freenrg and Joe Newman, new findings References: <199901011824.KAA20181@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B2cM81.0.8n5.fQ2as"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: dave dameron wrote: > > Hi Evan and all freenrg, > 2) Current spikes In this circuit, a is the neg. terminal of the battery. > a b > ----.-> .-----OOOO| Coil > _ Switch | > -Battery | > +-----------------| > When the switch is opened, the point b raised to a high positive value, > limited to the arc breakdown voltage at the switch. This in itself would not > recharge the battery (It, as Bill stated, is still the wrong direction). The > current would have to be reversed, by for example 1/2 cycle later in a > resonant cycle. There is the winding capacitance across the coil. Yes, that is very important ! In some of my latest experiments with my bigger coil ( ~170 H), I connected a 10 uF/630 Volts capacitor in parallel across the coil. Then the charging current spikes of this capacitor from the battery were so high, you could light up already a few incandescent bulbs in series with the coil ! But these charging spikes were generated by the battery, not the coil. I also tried to resonate this LC circuit with its resonance frequency, (without a commutator) but due to the high DC resistance of 16.7 KOhm, it just does not oscillate. Too much damping ! But when I lowered the parallel capacitance to about 100 nF and used the spark gap for driving this LC circuit, I had some real interesting oscillation voltages on the scope of this LC circuit. (without the magnet rotating inside the coil) I still have to study this further, cause I had then some good back current effects from this LC circuit to the power supply. 2 spark gaps in series helped this. I also observed some better RF output this way via my 2 coil Newman transformer setup. (indicated by brighter lightning of a neon bulb at the secondary coil) So the conclusion is: The coil capacitance and the Q factor of this LC circuit seem to play an important role in the Newman coil design. The capacitance must be optimized and must not be too big, so that the battery has not wasted too much power for the charging and discharging of this "stray" capacitor of the coil ! > 3) Re: Minna-K. motor > To measure the torque, sliding friction has to be removed (from the pully > and rope). Either no slippage, like a winch should be used, or for a short > time the slippage is stopped, as in using the clamps on a Prony brake to > deflect the lever arm. Otherwise there is a large error in the measured output. > Was there anybody else, who confirmed OU operation of this motor other than Joe Newman yet ? Measurements errors can easily happen with this kind of measurements ! > It also appears from discussions that the M-K. motor uses about the normal > mass of copper for a 3HP motor? Is Joe removing his claim that a high amount > of mass of Cu is required? Yes, that would be an interesting question, cause it could really save on copper wire costs for the motor ! Maybe with my latest findings it is just needed to have about the same mechanical magnet-rotor frequency as the electrical LC resonance frequency and thus have a mechanical-electrical resonance system, and the commutator just rectifies the energy oscillation flow into the right direction. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 18:49:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA32521; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:49:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:49:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199901040249.UAA15307@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:49:09 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2KQuk2.0.-x7.ym2as"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Polarization is a given direction. Light entering the atmosphere and bouncing off of all things becomes omnipotent, that is, coming from all directions. In bright sunlight our eyes are overwhelmed by the glare....too much light from too many directions. Sunglasses polarize the light so that we can see comfortaby. They give direction to some rays while rejecting others. The eskimos polarized light a few thousand years ago when they put a narrow slit in a bone to eliminate snow blindness. Photons do not travel in the same manner as electrons. They are neither waves nor particles in a strict sense. Today the wavicle has proven to be the best way to describe them. .................Joe Portman............. Congess is polarized over Clinton......Demos at one end and Republicans at the other. No one knows which end is positive and which is negative.....yet. ---------- > From: Keasy@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. > Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 7:39 PM > > In a message dated 1/2/99 6:58:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, > energeon@microtec.net writes: > > << > Just a question, what is polarisation ? > > especially, what is polarisation of light ? > > thanks. > >> > Just briefly, electromagnetic waves including light consist of oscillating > electric and magnetic fields at right angles and both perpendicular to the > direction the wave is moving. The "polarization" is the direction in space of > the electric field. For a plane wave the direction of the electric field > defines a plane. For circularly polarized waves the E field (and the magnetic > field as well of course) describes a circle in a plane perpendicular to the > waves motion. There are many texts which describe this in more detail, but I > hope this helps. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 3 19:13:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA07009; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:13:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:13:38 -0800 Message-ID: <001601be3790$69869ac0$3da645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"aONAK.0.Qj1.Y73as"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Of course, this only refers to the wave nature of light, as far as the particle nature, it is simply a two value property of a photon with respect to a chosen axis perpendicular to the photons path Psy-Kosh ps. ugh, I'm already sounding like a textbook. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Portman Sr. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 9:53 PM Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. >Polarization is a given direction. Light entering the atmosphere and >bouncing off of all things becomes omnipotent, that is, coming from all >directions. In bright sunlight our eyes are overwhelmed by the glare....too >much light from too many directions. Sunglasses polarize the light so that >we can see comfortaby. They give direction to some rays while rejecting >others. The eskimos polarized light a few thousand years ago when they put >a narrow slit in a bone to eliminate snow blindness. > Photons do not travel in the same manner as electrons. They are neither >waves nor particles in a strict sense. Today the wavicle has proven to be >the best way to describe them. >.................Joe Portman............. >Congess is polarized over Clinton......Demos at one end and Republicans at >the other. No one knows which end is positive and which is >negative.....yet. > > >---------- >> From: Keasy@aol.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: FTL communication idea. >> Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 7:39 PM >> >> In a message dated 1/2/99 6:58:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> energeon@microtec.net writes: >> >> << >> Just a question, what is polarisation ? >> >> especially, what is polarisation of light ? >> >> thanks. >> >> >> Just briefly, electromagnetic waves including light consist of >oscillating >> electric and magnetic fields at right angles and both perpendicular to >the >> direction the wave is moving. The "polarization" is the direction in >space of >> the electric field. For a plane wave the direction of the electric field >> defines a plane. For circularly polarized waves the E field (and the >magnetic >> field as well of course) describes a circle in a plane perpendicular to >the >> waves motion. There are many texts which describe this in more detail, >but I >> hope this helps. >> Ken Keasy@aol.com >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 06:14:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20430; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:14:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:14:28 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:24:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"bA9ln.0.3_4.4pCas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Evan et al! > >You quoted Joes release which included this; >> My book also documents an offer of 214 million >> dollars from a Canadian Corporation which I >> rejected because it would have entailed my selling >> out my rights to this technology. > >I would jump on this offer. Sell the technology, put the money in >trust and use the proceeds for other research. > >The technology would then be out there and in use, the inventor would >be recompensed and could go on with his life. > >If there is concern the company was just wanting to buy out the rights >to suppress it, then put it in the contract that the technology should >be available in the form of publically available products within a >stated period of time, otherwise, the company loses all monies and >rights revert back to the inventor. > >214 million invested at 10% interest would yield 21.4 million per year >without touching the principal. > >Good lord, isn't that sufficient financial compensation?? Imagine all >the other projects the inventor could sponsor with that kind of >income... > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Jerry, It never has been an issue of money with Joseph Newman --- regardless of whether the offer was 2 million, 200 million, or 2 billion. I believe that Joseph Newman has made this very clear in his writings. If he has any reservations about the individual(s) with whom he is potentially contracting, regardless of the amount of money offered, it's a "no go". Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 06:14:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20456; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:14:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:14:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:24:35 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"XnBhm1.0.X_4.7pCas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Dan, Is your post below some kind of New Year's joke? If you have a problem with Joe's egoism, that is indeed your problem. What is also your problem is that you do not know the distinction between egoism and egotism. You write below: "I hope my response does not upset you." When you describe something (that is taken very seriously by another individual) as a "joke" -- do not be overly surprised if they find such comments insulting. You wrote: "I do not find any useful information that relates to the discussions on this bulletin board." It is obvious to me that you did not read and/or did not understand Joseph Newman's post. Evan Soule' Joseph Newman also responded to your comments below: "It is your 'rebuttal' -- Dan Ghiocel -- which is totally unscientific. And anyone who says that I have not responded scientifically is a liar." "Your comments below prove that you are not a scientist. I specifically and scientifically addressed two points which were previously made, yet you say nothing about this. How convenient and unscientific, Mr. Ghiocel." "To any individal out there who opposes my technology and who has any courage, honor and fighting ability, I welcome the opportunity to challange you to debate me before the general public on the fundamentals of electromagnetism in person and match my $10,000 for such a debate -- if you have the guts." "To the honest and sincere people who ARE intellectually-honest, I invite you to read, study, and master my technology as well as to build and experiment with your own constructed prototypes. It is to you that I also dedicate my work." Joseph Westley Newman >Dear Evan, > > Is this some kind of New Year joke? > I am reading this "Press Release to the World", >and beyond all this egocentric blowing smoke statements, > I do not find any useful information that relates to the discussions >on this bulletin board. > Are you two guys using these bulletin board just because nobody else >is willing to put up with this arrogant attitude? > I thought this was supposed to be a forum for an intelligent >scientific and technical ideas exchange, not a platform where you two >are taking the technically interested people for a ride. > I think most of the members of this bulletin board are still sincerely >waiting for answers regarding technical issues. > The more I hear, the more suspicious your claims, look to me. Since I >did not >have the oportunity to evaluate the motor, the setup, and the >measurement conditions, I cannot really say that the claims are false. >But from the fragments and the commentaries, it looks there is a good >reason behind your inability to provide answers to the technical >questions. > I hope my response does not upset you. I am just puzzled about this >whole situation. > I was looking forward to read the "Press release", but unfortunatley >is totally empty. I am just interested in science and its technological >application, while apparently you two are interested more in your place >in the history of the world science. > > Happy New Year > Dan > >Evan Soule wrote: >> >> Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 >> >> Newman Energy Technologies Corporation >> 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 >> Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 * (602) 657-3722 >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: JANUARY 1, 1999 >> >> To The People and Newsmedia of the World >> and to quote the popular expression: >> >> "Dawning of the 'Age of Aquarius'" >> >> The Joseph Newman Energy Technology is coming forward rapidly. To all >> the good and honest people I write to you: >> >> There are those who - through either ignorance or deliberate lying - tell >> you the following incorrect information - >> >> 1. "That current flows from the Positive to the Negative side of the >> battery, and so the Newman Energy Technology does not work as Joseph Newman >> states." and, >> >> 2. "That Newman Energy Technology does not produce a true Back Spike of >> Current." >> >> Both of the above statements are blatantly false! Such statements are >> made by individuals wishing to confuse and confound your understanding of >> my life's work for you and humanity. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 06:15:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20702; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:15:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:15:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:25:06 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Reply to "Open Letter" and a Challenge Resent-Message-ID: <"d0sqX2.0.N35.fpCas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Evan and all freenrg, >Here are my general comments, >1) Please read Bill's page on direction of current. For wires, I still think >it's a matter of convention. I quess in the arc you can ask "What direction >does the current flow?" What conclusion about Joe's work is changed by >"negative to positive" flow? >2) Current spikes In this circuit, a is the neg. terminal of the battery. > a b >----.-> .-----OOOO| Coil >_ Switch | >-Battery | >+-----------------| Dear Dave, Joe discussed the importance of understanding the direction of current flow. He has stated that its significance is MORE than a "matter of convention." I would suggest that you re-read his statement. And, as Joseph Newman states: "Your statements 1 and 2 totally avoid the Facts which I have presented and are not worth of a reply." >3) Minna-K. motor >To measure the torque, sliding friction has to be removed (from the pully >and rope). Either no slippage, like a winch should be used, or for a short >time the slippage is stopped, as in using the clamps on a Prony brake to >deflect the lever arm. Otherwise there is a large error in the measured output. Joseph Newman: "Your statement 3 is totally false. The dynamometer I described is the well-accepted ABSORPTION dynamometer. This device operates on FRICTION. Water must be used for cooling on many such devices when employed in conjunction with a small shaft. That's why I utilized a large diameter pulley having a 5-inch diameter with a spoked hub for more efficient cooling without having to use water - when taking quick and accurate measurements. There are even extra losses which I did NOT include, such as the spoked pulley acting as a Fan, which is an additional power output on the motor's shaft that I did not include. I have an appropriate Prony Brake! "Also, if one wants to be very conservative about the ohm resistance with respect to the MinnKota Motor (which is technology stolen from myself), then use only .2 ohm = 60 amps! And 45 amps squared equals 2025 x .2 ohm which equals 405 watts added to the power out on the shaft (768 watts) is more than 200% (production) efficient!" > >It also appears from discussions that the M-K. motor uses about the normal >mass of copper for a 3HP motor? Is Joe removing his claim that a high amount >of mass of Cu is required? And as Stefan stated, if it was stolen ou >technology, why would it be used in a low niche fishing trolling motor? Also >0.5 Ohms resistance means 24 Amps max at 12 Volts. Actually, Dave, the MinnKota trolling motor employed an IMPRESSIVE increase in the size of its coil relative to the year before Dr. Hastings began working for MinnKota as their Motor design consultant. Joe owns MinnKota Motors which are pre- and post- the use of his technology, and the size differences in the coil are substantial. He has repeatedly demonstrated these different-sized motors at public presentations of his technology. If the oil companies wanted to control this electromagnetic technology and introduce it in a GRADUAL manner which did not have any real impact on their profits from conventional fuel sources, a good way to do this is to introduce the (stolen technology from Joseph Newman) in a market niche which ALREADY employs conventional electric motors --- the trolling market --- and thus capture this market via a superior electromagnetic technology to further increase their profit line WITHOUT really competing with the combustion motors. The trolling market may be "low niche" --- yet, in recent years, worldwide sales have exceeded 350 million dollars. Not too shabby for a "low niche market". > >4) Try and prove it yourself? >How? >Joe's latest motor appears different from those described in his books, >which use HV coils like those of Jean-Louis and Stefan. The latest motor has >an lower voltage inductor connected to a 110V battery with his commutator. > Dave -- in your case I would suggest that you not try to build a unit for yourself. One mechanically-gifted gentleman in Pennsylvania who did master Joseph Newman's fundamental book said he could envision hundreds of different possible designs and configurations of the technology. These are the type of individuals who Joseph Newman is intending to reach. Joseph Newman has no intention of providing a "cookie-cutter" recipe for a Motor/Generator. He IS interested in teaching the PRINCIPLES of the technology which would allow those individuals who ARE mechanically gifted to visualize many different configurations and possible designs, and thus carry the technology further. Re questions: If anyone has a question(s) for Joseph Newman then they can call him up and ask him themselves. Joseph Newman's telephone number is: (602) 657-3722. If they instead choose like, Mr. Nagel, to repeatedly repeat the same question(s) then they can expect that I will repeatedly tell them to contact Joseph Newman directly at his telephone number. We can do this repetition exercise just as long as someone like Mr. Nagel chooses to engage in it. I've suggested to Mr. Nagel that he remove his inquires to me to private email so he and I can privately engage in our mutual repetitions, but Mr. Nagel wishes to post same to the list --- which is fine with me. As far as I am concerned, since he wishes to engage in this technique, we can go on, and on, and on. :-) And Joseph Newman states: "Statement 4 (above): Your comment is a untrue! My first Motors operated on LOW VOLTAGE! I used 12 volts up to 200 volts. Refer to page 26 and 30 (from my book, THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSPEH NEWMAN) which features the Affidavit of Dr. Roger Hastings verifying this fact. This fact was also further documented on broadcasted News features about my work. "It should be apparent to anyone that I am not going to provide EXACT construction details of the most recent Production Units which I am intending to commercially produce. I do not need to encourage even more thieves to 'come out of the woodwork.'" "Regarding the capacity of farads: this can be easily computed by information already given by myself if one understands the basics of electromagnetic engineering." > >5) Trust fund. >The IRS has its hand in most anything. Is this trust setup legally now to be >tax exempt? How much $ does Joe require to sell 200 Watt units? He is planning to meet with his attorneys next week regarding obtaining tax exempt status. Your question "How much $ does Joe require to sell 200 Watt units?" is unclear. I am assuming you are asking what he will charge for a 200 watt unit or you may be asking what capital is necessary to raise to finance production. He has previously stated that a 10kW system (which will provide energy for a standard 2,000sf home) will initially retail for apr. $8,000. The funds that Joseph Newman is hoping to raise via his Foundation would be for the purpose of launching production of the technology. I believe it is his hope to raise apr. $1.5 million for production purposes. ______________________________________ Dave, the following is not specifically directed at you, but I am including it with this post for the sake of convenience, since I have just finished speaking with Joseph Newman: [I should also state that the following comments are NOT directed at those individual list members who ARE sincere, intellectually-honest, and are willing to make the effort to master this technology for themselves. Many individuals in the United States and abroad fit into this category, and Joseph Newman sincerely thanks them for their positive and sincere attitudes.] Joseph Newman states: "The comments which I have seen from some individuals who have posted on the internet try to obscure the Facts of the truth of my technology which I have already provided. That is why I have publicly made an Open Challenge to everyone - to FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL! And if anyone thinks they know more than me about the basics of electromagnetism, then I challenge you to match my money ($10,000) and DEBATE ME! Specifically: Joseph Newman will put up $10,000 and he challenges anyone to put up $10,000 and then publicly debate him on the fundamentals of electromagnetism before the public in Phoenix, Arizona. He will advertise the event in the local media and they are welcome to do the same. The openly-invited public who attend the event will decide (by majority vote) whether Joseph Newman or the challenger is more knowledgeable about the fundamentals of electromagnetism. If one believes that they know more about electromagnetism than Joseph Newman, then this is their opportunity to PROVE IT -- once and for all -- and to back up their words with $10,000. "I am planning to assemble additional competent individuals to verify the test results which I have already provided, just as I did in the 1980s. Such individuals - like the more than 30 scientists and engineers who have already signed Affidavits attesting to the operability of my technology - will be shown to be TRUE SCIENTISTS and not "parrots of untruthful comments" which mimics the attitudes of those who attacked Galileo during his lifetime." [signed] Joseph Westley Newman "P.S. And with respect to the location of my OPEN DEBATE CHALLENGE: Anyone who lyingly states tht the "people of the Phoenix area would lie on my behalf" are THEMSELVES a liar. The resident of Phoenix would have no reason to lie for me because 1) I have only lived there a short time and, more importantly, 2) they owe me NOTHING other than to be TRUTHFUL -- just as the more than 30 scientists and engineers did for me and humanity in the 1980s. "Anyone saying otherwise is a liar themselves and are using that as a liar's flimsey and cowardly excuse not to accept my HONEST AND BRAVE CHALLENGE for the benfit of humanity." [signed] Joseph Westley Newman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 06:15:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20998; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:15:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:15:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:25:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"T67_a3.0.s75.5qCas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 January 1, 1999 Happy New Year to every individual who values sincerity and intellectual-honesty! And to the enemies of Joseph W. Newman, the Human Race, and of God: This is the year you will lose! To every honest and courageous individual throughout the world - you will know that I speak the truth by what I write now: For an entire week during the mid-1980s at the Superdome in New Orleans, I demonstrated and spoke of my life's work. This event was documented on videotape. The headlines on the front page of the New Orleans major daily newspaper read: "JOSEPH NEWMAN WOWS CROWD AT SUPERDOME". At that Superdome event - and at all public demonstrations of my technology - I have had an OPEN WORLDWIDE CHALLENGE to any and all physicists and electrical engineers to come to my public presentations and DEBATE WITH ME THE BASICS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC ENGINEERING! Fact: Not ONE challenger from anywhere in the world accepted my challenge. Yet, thousands of people from across the nation and the world attended my presentation at the Superdome. During the time of my Superdome presentation, I even had a CBS National News representative (who was covering the event) contact me and state: "Through my national contacts with CBS, I would be happy to find three PhD's and CBS will finance their trip to New Orleans to publicly debate you and finish this once and for all." I replied, "GREAT! BUT I WILL BET YOU MY $100 TO YOUR DOUGHNUT THAT YOU CAN'T GET EVEN *ONE* PhD TO PUBLICLY DEBATE WITH ME THE BASICS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC ENGINEERING!" Within three days, the CBS News representative called me back and stated, "Mr. Newman, I am amazed! I cannot get even ONE PhD to debate you. I owe you a doughnut!" Once again, I put the same challenge out to the world, except that I NOW OFFER $10,000 TO BE PUT UP BY ME AND $10,000 TO BE PUT UP BY THE CHALLENGER. THE PEOPLE WILL JUDGE WHO IS THE TEACHER AND WHO IS THE STUDENT. THE WINNER WILL BE GIVEN ALL THE MONEY. The BASICS are SIMPLE: I challenge anyone to MECHANICALLY provide ONE SINGLE EXPLANATION of simplicity that mechanically explains: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? As early as the mid-1960s I had discovered specific answers for all of the above questions (and much more) with ONE, simple MECHANICAL EXPLANATION: the Gyroscopic Particle. The information I have disclosed in my fundamental book - THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN - as well as my numerous public presentations also prove that I did so discover such a MECHANICAL EXPLANATION. Yet, no one before or any one living at this time can provide an equally simple Mechanical Explanation for the Basic Questions I have asked above. But I have already done this! And I have done so by the simple and exacting mechanical laws of the GYROSCOPE! And this is my HONEST CHALLENGE! To all the honest and courageous people throughout the world, don't you know that I speak the truth? I am now giving all the naysayers and nitpickers - with their cowardly and irresponsible comments against my life's work for humanity - the opportunity to all "group together" and put their money together to assemble $10,000 and come to Phoenix to debate with me the BASICS OF ELECTROMAGNETICS. Not Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein or any other great scientist of the past, prior to myself, could provide such a fundamental mechanical explanation. Yet I have done so. To the honest people of the world, that Fact should be a bright light to your "mind": THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN WORKS! You should also realize that the Press Release which I recent released regarding my most recent working production prototype also proves this. You may ask, "How do I know for certain that you the people will see the TRUTH of my life's work for you and your loved ones and all humanity in this new year?" Simple: I have a strong belief in God. I know there are many honest people in the world who are thinking, "If nothing has happened these many years before now, then why is 1999 so special?" Such people may also be saying to themselves, "I saw you on the Tonight Show in 1986, or I read about your work in LIFE Magazine in 1986, or I saw you on CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/or A&E national networks, or read of your efforts in one of the thousands of newspapers which published reports of your technology, or heard you on one of the hundreds of radio talk shows across the nation which featured you and your work." You have probably concluded that Joseph Newman was treated by the people of the world with "DISREGARD". And you would be right! But because of my strong belief in God, I have been given sound reason to believe that God will open your mind this year to the truth of my years of dedicated work for you, your loved ones, and for all humanity. May this Press Release to you this 1st day of January 1999 be the lever of truth into your mind and that you will now assist me in the Foundation I am now forming. Happy New Year! [signed] Joseph Westley Newman ______________________________________ P.S. On page 72 of the book, THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN [from the chapter entitled 'Quantum Mechanics'] Joseph Newman describes how major physicists of the 20th century believed that on a more fundamental level there had to be "fully deterministic laws". In this regard, it is Joseph Newman's position that his Mechanical Model for the Unification of the Fields will have major significance in opening the way to a more fundamental understanding of the universe. Quoting from THE NATURE OF PHYSICS, page 604: "Einstein firmly believed that underlying the quantum theory -- perhaps on a subquantum level -- there had to be fully deterministic laws. In a letter to Max Born written in 1926, Einstein summarized his position: "'Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer ... but I am convinced that God does not throw dice.' "At the present time, nearly fifty years after the birth of quantum mechanics, the argument has not been settled. There is no evidence whatsoever that a deterministic subquantum level exists. NOR is there any convincing evidence to support the orthodox interpretation. For example, no experiments have ever been performed on a single atom or electron to test the orthodox contention that the wave function describes the properties of a single particle rather than a group of particles. Although the orthodox interpretation is generally accepted, there remain a few, who, like Einstein, believe that the mathematical formalism of quantum mechanics is NOT the final answer. This attitude has been most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger: "'Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is possible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extravagance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better than the mess of formulas which today surrounds our subject.'" ERS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 06:21:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA19728; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:20:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:20:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:25:00 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"ag1jc1.0.5q4.ZuCas"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > In the fine tradition of that great american poet and > idealist, William S. Burroughs; a cut-up of Joe Newman > 1/1/99 MESSAGE TO THE WORLD! > >>There are those who - through either ignorance or deliberate lying - tell >>you the following incorrect information - >> Both of the above statements are blatantly false! Such statements are >>made by individuals wishing to confuse and confound your understanding of >>my life's work for you and humanity. >Don't let anyone lie to you and tell you >>otherwise. >> This is a deliberate LIE! >>has deliberately LIED to you, for the purpose of confusing you. >> If they lie to you about the above, I hope you realize that they have >>also lied to you when they attempt to deny the fact >> Therefore, the honest and thinking person knows that >> Just as nonbelievers and liars attacked, ridiculed, and denied the >>success of Galileo's telescope, so can honest and sincere persons witness >>the same treatment concerning my life's work for humanity. >> Dishonest and lying individuals can be expected to attack my life's >>work. >> The Power Brokers have intentionally kept me off the stock market so >>that you, the people, could not assist my company in raising the necessary >>capital to produce my life's work. >I >>WILL NOT SELL OUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AND THE WORLD - NOT FOR ANY >>AMOUNT OF MONEY I HAVE BEEN OFFERED, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT MY LIFE HAS >>BEEN THREATENED IF I DID NOT SELL YOU OUT! > > > "olde" Reverend Joe? > > >> As anyone knows who has followed my work in the past, I strongly believe >>in a concept of God. >> It is my personal and sincere belief that the God in which I have chosen >>to believe has provided me with a new direction for my technology for you >>and for all of humanity. During the concluding days of my week-long >>demonstration in Scottsdale, Arizona, several knowledgeable individuals >>have caringly expressed to me their belief that I should establish a >>Foundation for my work. >> >> As a result of their suggestions and input, that is exactly what I am >>now doing. And, in accordance with my personal and strong belief in a >>Diety (for which I do not apologize), I have entitled the name of this >>Foundation: "God's Free Energy - Fresh Water - and Clean Environment >>Foundation." It is my intent that the production of my life's work be >>accomplished by this newly-created nonprofit entity. I invite YOU - the >>people of the world who are caring and honest people and who are truly >>concerned about the future of our planet, as well as its quality of life >>for our children, our loved ones, and even the well-being of other species >>which inhabit planet earth with us - to give whatever amount you can afford >>- whatever it may be - to this worthy Foundation, for the benefit of >>humanity through the production of this technology. The intent of the >>nonprofit Foundation is to also provide you with a tax-deduction for >>whatever amount you can provide. >> >> The facts prove that I have given my life and will continue to do so. I >>invite you to join me in my FIGHT for you and all of humanity. Together we >>will succeed and I sincerely believe that God is with us! >> > > > I've been wanting to ask this question but didn't > know how to phrase it. Where does the money go Evan? > > >>Your contribution to the Foundation can be sent to: >> >>God's Free Energy, Fresh Water, >>and Clean Environment Foundation >>at: >>11259 E. Via Linda, #100/943 >>Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > > OK, so I fibbed, I'm gonna ask again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. > > And yes, I'm fully aware of Joes number > >>(602) 657-3722 > > K. Dear Keith, Thanks for your initiated sarcasm above :-) -- anything less from you and I would have been disappointed. :-( In your case Keith, I could honestly care less whether you love, like, hate, leave, ignore, or lump Joseph Newman's manner of expressing himself. What he says, he says honestly and sincerely and is a reflection of his personal and intense feelings relative to his life's work. And, Keith, you are more than a "fibber". I consider you an intellectually-dishonest and insincere individual who enjoys initiating ridicule, sarcasm, and attacks upon others. But of course, that's just my friendly opinion. Joseph Newman has stated that the purpose of funds raised through the Foundation is to finance the production of his Motor/Generator technology. I know this will be difficult for you to comprehend (in lieu of your above "questions"), but -- interestingly enough, the above-listed telephone number is the telephone number of Joseph Newman. And, coincidently, Joseph Newman has been known to be reached at that telephone number. And, curiously-enough by coincidence, I have previously provided that telephone number to you if you wish to pursue an answer to your "questions". Ah.... I think I understand. You "write" that you "I'm fully aware of Joe's number", but I can only suppose that you don't understand the _function_ of a telephone. Well, Keith, the purpose of the telephone is to assist us as a device for rapid communication. It is an curious device with which you can punch in (usually with your finger) a given "number" or "numbers" which match the little numbered "buttons" featured (usually) on the front of the little device. In this case, Keith, there are numbers from 0 to 9 which can be pressed on the telephone: The numbers are as follows: (and I'll individually 'list' them with hyphens since seeing them together may be confusing to you) Here they are, Keith: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0 And the specific sequence of numbers which are necessary to "punch-in" to reach Joseph Newman's personal telephone number are: 6-0-2-6-5-7-3-7-2-2. For purposes of this communication you may wish to avoid the little "#" and "*" signs. But if you like, feel free to push them and enjoy the little tones! :-) Now --- and you may wish to note this carefully (assuming you are calling from within the United States): You generally have the option of pressing in a "0" or a "1" before the first number, depending upon whether you wish to "dial" the number via the operator (in the first case) or directly, by yourself (in the second case). In otherwords, Keith: you would dial: 0-6-0-2-6-5-7-3-7-2-2, if you wish to utilize the services of an telephone operator, or 1-6-0-2-6-5-7-3-7-2-2, if you wish to dial the number directly without the services of an operator. I hope this assists in your comprehension of the purpose and function of both the telephone and in understanding how to contact the above-listed number. Best regards and Happy New Year! Evan Soule' P.S. I would be happy to repeat the above for your edification. I look forward to it! :-) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 08:27:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA15621; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:27:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:27:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3690E635.603E9526@freeline.ch> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:03:01 +0100 From: Martin Schmid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RQM? References: <3.0.32.19990103141249.00c95e90@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7vmTc.0.sp3.blEas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The correct address is http://www.rqm.ch. The claim is that their device outputs more than twice the energy it uses to be kept running. Several poeple - including me - could see the device running without being able to verify the results. It looks to me as a very professional research with a good theoretical background and international support. Others think it is just another - very successful - hoax. Regards Martin Keith Nagel wrote: > at his site. More exists @ www.rqm.com. I don't > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf > > in pdf form. Any comments from the peanut gallery? > > K. -- 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 Oberzeiherstr. 1 CH-5079 Zeihen www.usrsoft.ch/4L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 09:04:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA32069; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:04:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:04:08 -0800 Message-ID: <19990104170525.19139.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qeo4R.0.yq7.7IFas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan et al! The main point I was trying to make and probably wasn't as clear as I could have been, if Joe makes a deal with a company to use the technology, then the technology would finally be out, for all to see and use. If the company fails to follow through, he can recover all rights by a well-written contract. If the technology is something that is real and practical, not just a lab queen that works only under very specific conditions and environment, then it will never be useful in the real world anyway. Rather than endless posts, arguments and claims that really get nowhere and do much damage which reflects negatively on the Newman claims, nothing could be more positive and serve as a proof of the discovery than to have a product that anyone can buy, sold by a company in league with Joe, ensuring he gets credit and financial reward for each unit sold. It's his baby but it should be well out of the toddler stage by now (how many years???). Until there are working devices that people can buy, prove and use for themselves, all the rhetoric and arguments in the world won't back up a claim that is in error, that cannot be proven or used by others, or which exhibits stochastic responses. Personally, I find his gyroscopic theory interesting and think it has merit since it appears to couple gravitational energy to electron motion through long horizontally placed conductors. Joe said at a workshop that he told the US NAVY if they would wind a coil that was from stem to stern of a ship, that it would only take a small battery to propel the entire ship because of this gravitational coupling for extra energy. As I see it, gravity moving into the earth over the widest surface area of a conductor, would impart additional energy to the electron motion. Nothing wrong with that and seems easy enough to test with a few miles of wire wound in a long horizontal coil. How many years and how many disputes must pass before the technology is made available in commercial products? If its not money and there is confidence that the device works and can be implemented in a motor (as claimed to be so in the Minnkota ripoff), then why after all these years (since mid 70s?) has the technology not been allowed to progress? I know there were supposed to have been problems with the patent office but I think if a product was actually being manufactured, sold and used under a patent pending or other pre-patent arrangement, it would be difficult to deny when hundreds of thousands of people are using it. There must come a time when the technology is proven as product, otherwise its an interesting theory, nothing more and all concerned should move on. ---Evan Soule wrote: > > >Hi Evan et al! > > > >You quoted Joes release which included this; > >> My book also documents an offer of 214 million > >> dollars from a Canadian Corporation which I > >> rejected because it would have entailed my selling > >> out my rights to this technology. > > > >I would jump on this offer. Sell the technology, put the money in > >trust and use the proceeds for other research. > > > >The technology would then be out there and in use, the inventor would > >be recompensed and could go on with his life. > > > >If there is concern the company was just wanting to buy out the rights > >to suppress it, then put it in the contract that the technology should > >be available in the form of publically available products within a > >stated period of time, otherwise, the company loses all monies and > >rights revert back to the inventor. > > > >214 million invested at 10% interest would yield 21.4 million per year > >without touching the principal. > > > >Good lord, isn't that sufficient financial compensation?? Imagine all > >the other projects the inventor could sponsor with that kind of > >income... > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Jerry, > > It never has been an issue of money with Joseph Newman --- regardless of > whether the offer was 2 million, 200 million, or 2 billion. I believe that > Joseph Newman has made this very clear in his writings. If he has any > reservations about the individual(s) with whom he is potentially > contracting, regardless of the amount of money offered, it's a "no go". > > Regards, > > Evan Soule' > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 09:25:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10229; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:25:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:25:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3690FA16.B430948A@ghiocel.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 09:27:50 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RQM? References: <3.0.32.19990103141249.00c95e90@cnct.com> <3690E635.603E9526@freeline.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gZvVF2.0.kV2.jbFas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I just visited RQM site. There claim is that now the output / input factor has reached 8.6 to 1, with a stable output power of 550 watt (0.55 kW). The input power amounts to 64 watt (0.064 kW). It looks too good to be true, does it? Dan Martin Schmid wrote: > > The correct address is http://www.rqm.ch. The claim is that their device > outputs more than twice the energy it uses to be kept running. Several > poeple - including me - could see the device running without being able > to verify the results. It looks to me as a very professional research > with a good theoretical background and international support. > > Others think it is just another - very successful - hoax. > > Regards > > Martin > > Keith Nagel wrote: > > at his site. More exists @ www.rqm.com. I don't > > > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf > > > > in pdf form. Any comments from the peanut gallery? > > > > K. > > -- > 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 > Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 > Oberzeiherstr. 1 > CH-5079 Zeihen www.usrsoft.ch/4L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 10:32:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA10514; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:32:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:32:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:33:05 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RQM? In-Reply-To: <3690FA16.B430948A@ghiocel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"q9Xgg.0.7a2.7bGas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Dan Ghiocel wrote: > I just visited RQM site. > There claim is that now the output / input factor has reached 8.6 to 1, > with a stable output power of 550 watt (0.55 kW). > The input power amounts to 64 watt (0.064 kW). > It looks too good to be true, does it? > > Dan On their web site, they do have a listing of their patents #'s in various countries. Does anyone know of a reliable web site which lists and describes patents? I tried to look for one... couldnt look for too long considering i'm at work. :) Maybe someone could look up the patent description and post it here. Just a thought. :) Chris Loental From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 11:58:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA12234; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:57:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:57:14 -0800 Message-ID: <36911DC0.88659012@ghiocel.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:00:01 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RQM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JhYpl.0.2_2.QqHas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Christopher, For relatively recent US patents (last 20 years or so) use: http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/srchnum.htm This is the US Patents and Trademark Office site search by patent number. If you enter the patent number you will get a description of the patent, no pictures or drawings. The home site is www.uspto.gov There you can search for patents, names, etc. It is time consuming. If you want the whole content of the patent or if you want old patents, you have to order them and pay. I did not have time to look through their home site, they might have also international patent links. If you find something please posted or e-mail it to me. By the way, looking at RQM, it is interested to see which countries accorded them patents for their machine. Do I look skeptical? Regards, Dan Christopher Loenthal wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Dan Ghiocel wrote: > > > I just visited RQM site. > > There claim is that now the output / input factor has reached 8.6 to 1, > > with a stable output power of 550 watt (0.55 kW). > > The input power amounts to 64 watt (0.064 kW). > > It looks too good to be true, does it? > > > > Dan > > On their web site, they do have a listing of their patents #'s in various > countries. Does anyone know of a reliable web site which lists and > describes patents? I tried to look for one... couldnt look for too long > considering i'm at work. :) Maybe someone could look up the patent > description and post it here. Just a thought. :) > Chris Loental From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 12:02:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA14387; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:01:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:01:57 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQCyQL5YZ3ygV3/+OfcneFun85c+QIUA8QsTigGMoo3t6htZfe6T2nwnCc= From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:01:51 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Message-ID: <10001-36911E2F-1421@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:24:35 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"-_zDm1.0.eW3.ruHas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: i''m tired of joe already and it's only been a few weeks. 20 YEARS of him? i'd probably go postal. it's obvious that joe is a disciple of the late (and greatly esteemed by some for his views on gullibility) phineas taylor barnum. he has just what he apparently had 20 years ago. zip squat. evan, do you get a cut of the take for shilling for him? you can't really believe after 20 years of smoke and mirrors that he's legit. and spare me the "hes working for the good of humanity"diatribe. if anything he is a traitor to humanity for perpetrating this hoax for so many dacades. grants and donations he's pissed away could have been spent by honourable researchers. you need to find another hero to worship evan, because this one is trashing your credibility. a waste of bandwidth and protoplasm. why, look at how much i wasted on him just now. regards, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 12:35:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA01518; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:34:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:34:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:24 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QVIkQ.0.dN.oNIas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 > > January 1, 1999 > > Happy New Year to every individual who values sincerity and > intellectual-honesty! > > And to the enemies of Joseph W. Newman, the Human Race, and of God: > > This is the year you will lose! To every honest and courageous individual > throughout the world - you will know that I speak the truth by what I write > now: > Sorry, nothing following this really convinced me that Joe was speaking the truth about his device. Does that make me an "Enemy of Joe Newman, and God"? Is there a difference? > > Once again, I put the same challenge out to the world, except that I NOW > OFFER $10,000 TO BE PUT UP BY ME AND $10,000 TO BE PUT UP BY THE > CHALLENGER. THE PEOPLE WILL JUDGE WHO IS THE TEACHER AND WHO IS THE > STUDENT. THE WINNER WILL BE GIVEN ALL THE MONEY. Now I know what happens when inventors watch to much WWF! > > As early as the mid-1960s I had discovered specific answers for all of the > above questions (and much more) with ONE, simple MECHANICAL EXPLANATION: > the Gyroscopic Particle. > I could really care less about Joe's theories, or his reasons for believeing in god... I just would like to know if his device works. Thats all. He wants people to replicate his results, and yet all he talks about is why he believes in God, how he could beat all of us up with his EM theories, and his plans for saving humanity/world domination. I really don't want to offend you Mr. Soule, because I know that you are at least trying to promote the idea of free energy. If Mr. Newman wants people on this list to support him, and to help build his device, perhaps he should actually answer some of the questions asked here. How many times did Keith ask for the value of the capacitor? Mr. Newman's response pretty much said that anyone with an understanding of Electromagnetics could easily figure out the value of the cap. Kind of funny that Mr. newman is apparently the only person who truly understands electromagnetics.... How hard would it be for Joe to say "20 microfarads", or whatever?!?!? Rather than trying to help those people who are interested in verifying and replic ating his results, he chooses to challenge the world to show that he is smater than everyone, he chooses to defer easily answered questions, ETC. The only thing he is not doing is helping any of us to understand his device. This list IS for the discussion of free energy devices, isnt it? Someone please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not wrong, then anytime I read a post about Newman, it had better be about his device. I apologize to you, Mr. Soule if I have offended you in any way. I admire your patience for dealing with Mr. Newman, and all of the people on this list. I suggest we change the topic to "Free Energy". Regards, Christopher Loental From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 13:21:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA20766; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:20:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:20:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:12:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: PatentRe: RQM? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8HwwR2.0.N45.v2Jas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Chris, Can you please post the patent numbers? INM Patent Server is not bad. Go to www.dogpile.com And search IBM Patent On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Christopher Loenthal wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Dan Ghiocel wrote: > > > I just visited RQM site. > > There claim is that now the output / input factor has reached 8.6 to 1, > > with a stable output power of 550 watt (0.55 kW). > > The input power amounts to 64 watt (0.064 kW). > > It looks too good to be true, does it? > > > > Dan > > On their web site, they do have a listing of their patents #'s in various > countries. Does anyone know of a reliable web site which lists and > describes patents? I tried to look for one... couldnt look for too long > considering i'm at work. :) Maybe someone could look up the patent > description and post it here. Just a thought. :) > Chris Loental > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 13:35:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27228; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:35:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:35:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:35:42 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PatentRe: RQM? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HXJ7F.0.Lf6.KGJas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, John Schnurer wrote: > > Dear Chris, > > Can you please post the patent numbers? Swiss Patent No. CH 687 428 A5 granted Nov 29,1996 Title of patent (according to RQM's website): "Device and Procedure for the Generation of Electromagnetic Pulses". the website has some other interesting info. take care, Chris Loental From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 13:55:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA04320; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:55:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:55:12 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:34 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PatentRe: RQM? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5KLLf.0.C31._YJas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: found this link off of the RQM site... looks interesting. http://www.cleanenergy.com Chris L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 14:28:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA19876; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:27:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:27:49 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RQM? Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:27:40 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36913fb4.641034233@24.192.1.20> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JlRVR2.0.Rs4.b1Kas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:33:05 -0600 (CST), Christopher Loenthal wrote: [snip] >On their web site, they do have a listing of their patents #'s in various >countries. Does anyone know of a reliable web site which lists and >describes patents? I tried to look for one... couldnt look for too long >considering i'm at work. :) Maybe someone could look up the patent >description and post it here. Just a thought. :) >Chris Loental Far and away the best patent site is http://www.patents.ibm.com/patquery.html It contains full US patents from the early 1970's onward (including images). It also has some European patents. And it's free. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 15:27:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA11471; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:13 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PatentRe: RQM? Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:27:05 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36924e19.644720631@24.192.1.20> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xdxOh2.0.8p2.GvKas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:34 -0600 (CST), Christopher Loenthal wrote: > >found this link off of the RQM site... looks interesting. > >http://www.cleanenergy.com > > >Chris L. As far as I am aware, CETI are themselves having difficulties replicating their own devices. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 15:37:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA16038; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:37:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:37:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:47:30 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"Lyjtk2.0.Ow3.q2Las"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >i''m tired of joe already and it's only been a few weeks. 20 YEARS of >him? >i'd probably go postal. it's obvious that joe is a disciple of the late >(and greatly esteemed by some for his views on gullibility) phineas >taylor barnum. >he has just what he apparently had 20 >years ago. zip squat. evan, do you get a cut of the take for shilling >for him? you can't really believe after 20 years of smoke and mirrors >that he's legit. and spare me the "hes working for the good of >humanity"diatribe. if anything he is a traitor to humanity for >perpetrating this hoax for so many dacades. grants and donations he's >pissed away could have >been spent by honourable researchers. >you need to find another hero to worship >evan, because this one is trashing your credibility. a waste of >bandwidth and protoplasm. >why, look at how much i wasted on him >just now. >regards, >Dennis > > Dear Dennis, Thanks for your comments. Naturally, I respectfully disagree with your incorrect opinions. And, Dennis, if one was being less "politically correct in one's response", one would tell you to "shove your above comments up your a*s." < only joking, of course! :-) > While I'm sure you did mean it that way, it is possible that your above comments could be taken as insulting by someone who happened to be on the receiving end of them. No doubt you simply got a bit "carried away" in your exuberance and enthusiasm over Joseph Newman's revolutionary technology. I appreciate your excitement!! :-) To reply to your question above: What's my "cut of the take"? I have voluntarily assisted Joseph Newman for over 15 years. His working prototypes have been repeatedly verified by more than 30 scientists and engineers who have signed Affidavits attesting to the successful operation of his technology. You may choose to love this, like this, hate this, leave this, or lump this. The choice is totally yours --- and, in your particular case, I could honestly and sincerely care less. I especially enjoy your kind and thoughtful words above: "shilling," "smoke and mirrors," "diatribe," "traitor," "hoax," "pissed away," "trashing your credibility." Thanks ever so much, Dennis! :-) Actually, your opinion, Dennis, is not worth "zip squat" to me. :-) But thanks again for sharing it! Best regards and a Happy New Year! Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 15:43:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA23520; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:42:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:42:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:47:36 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"3NiwD1.0.Jl5._7Las"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I could really care less about Joe's theories, or his reasons for >believeing in god... I just would like to know if his device works. >Thats all. He wants people to replicate his results, and yet all he talks >about is why he believes in God, how he could beat all of us up with his >EM theories, and his plans for saving humanity/world domination. > >I really don't want to offend you Mr. Soule, because I know that you are >at least trying to promote the idea of free energy. If Mr. Newman wants >people on this list to support him, and to help build his device, perhaps >he should actually answer some of the questions asked here. How many times >did Keith ask for the value of the capacitor? > >Mr. Newman's response pretty much said that anyone with an understanding >of Electromagnetics could easily figure out the value of the cap. > >Kind of funny that Mr. newman is apparently the only person who truly >understands electromagnetics.... How hard would it be for Joe to say "20 >microfarads", or whatever?!?!? >Rather than trying to help those people who are interested in verifying >and replic ating his results, he chooses to challenge the world to show >that he is smater than everyone, he chooses to defer easily answered >questions, ETC. The only thing he is not doing is helping any of us to >understand his device. This list IS for the discussion of free energy >devices, isnt it? Someone please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not >wrong, then anytime I read a post about Newman, it had better be about his >device. > > >I apologize to you, Mr. Soule' if I have offended you in any way. I admire >your patience for dealing with Mr. Newman, and all of the people on this >list. I suggest we change the topic to "Free Energy". > > >Regards, >Christopher Loental Dear Christopher, Let me first state that I respect your opinion and the manner in which you have expressed it. And there is no need to apologize to me (although your offer is appreciated), because you have (in my opinion) expressed yourself honestly, sincerely, and (if you don't mind my saying so) politely. WHY Joe chooses to make an "issue" out of the "microfarad question" (for instance) I do not know. This is perhaps in the nature of eccentricity. I would postulate that his reaction is due, at least in part, to his strong views about the educational system --- which he believes has tended to cause many to "memorize" (and all too often rewards one for memorization) rather than encourage people to think for themselves. His strong attitude in this regard may manifest itself as a reaction of "let them figure it out from the information supplied --- for themselves." It may not be how you, I or another would "communicate" --- but I am postulating that this is one reason as to why Joe so "communicates". And if one chooses to react with sarcasm and/or hostility to Joe's postulated eccentricity in this regard, then this only provokes predictable hostility from Joe which provokes another predictable response from the other, which provokes more hostility, etc., etc. Actually, it is kind of "funny". I generally know in advance what some of the responses will be to one of Joe's Statements/Releases. What then remains is the mutual 'realization' of the predictable interchange of responses. Ah... the Disclosure Barrier. This is the universal and historical source of such volitional perturbations. While this is totally [off topic] I will state that there are a number of creative individuals endeavoring to create the volitional systems which will replace the Disclosure Barrier with superior mechanisms. Unfortunately, I predict such mechanisms will come too late for Joseph Newman. So, one proceeds with what one has...... I should add the following: When Joe is being particular "aggressive" in his post and directing challenges, etc., he writes this for the benefit of particular individuals who have challenged/insulted/attacked him personally. If one is someone who is simply interested in searching for alternative energy solutions to the present polluting options, I would sincerely suggest that they not take his comments personally --- they are not directed at themselves. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 15:43:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA23546; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:43:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:43:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:47:42 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"e9g0e3.0.nl5.58Las"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Evan et al! > >The main point I was trying to make and probably wasn't as clear as I >could have been, if Joe makes a deal with a company to use the >technology, then the technology would finally be out, for all to see >and use. > >If the company fails to follow through, he can recover all rights by a >well-written contract. > snip-- > >If its not money and there is confidence that the device works and can >be implemented in a motor (as claimed to be so in the Minnkota >ripoff), then why after all these years (since mid 70s?) has the >technology not been allowed to progress? > >I know there were supposed to have been problems with the patent >office but I think if a product was actually being manufactured, sold >and used under a patent pending or other pre-patent arrangement, it >would be difficult to deny when hundreds of thousands of people are >using it. > >There must come a time when the technology is proven as product, >otherwise its an interesting theory, nothing more and all concerned >should move on. >Jerry Decker Dear Jerry, I agree with a number of your points. However, with respect to the aforementioned company, Joe would not sell them "exclusive rights" to the technology regardless of the amount of money involved. This is non-negotiable with Joseph Newman. I understand that he also wishes to retain 51%+ control of any entity in which he directly manufactures the technology. Of course, sub-contractors to the technology would have control over their own respective companies. And the issue for commercialization HAS been funding --- although, from Joseph Newman's perspective, "not at any price". Thanks for sharing your opinion. Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 16:25:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA06324; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:25:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: <369182DD.45C7@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:11:25 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pjI882.0.eY1.CmLas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > > Dear Dan, > You wrote: "I do not find any useful information that relates to the > discussions on this bulletin board." It is obvious to me that you did not > read and/or did not understand Joseph Newman's post. Evan, I think the point made by Dan is simply that Mr. Newman's responses to very basic questions is non-responsive. The 'press release' did not even address the simple question of the value of capacitor used. Simply repeating the markings on the capacitor may be enough for you and Joe Newman, but I also find it falls far short of 'useful'. I also find it par for the course. Clearly you and Mr. Newman have no intention of respecting this forum and its policies. This is both rude and impolite to the membership of this list, especially those that have been through the last Newman flap, when you respecfully withdrew from the discussion after it became quite clear that the Newman camp was unwilling or unable to address actual testing done by members of this forum in a substantive manner. What if anything, is any different today? Dont go away this time, just shut me down with the facts. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 16:42:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13008; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:42:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:42:42 -0800 Message-ID: <369186CF.414@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:28:15 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iu2ao2.0.0B3.10Mas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > Joseph Newman has stated that the purpose of funds raised through the > Foundation is to finance the production of his Motor/Generator technology. Interesting. Mr. Soule, can you please describe the current status of ownership of this technology. I know that a substancial ammount of money has been invested over some time now. Is this technology your seeking funding for the very same technology presented by Mr. Newman a decade (and longer) ago? What percentages (if any) of Mr. Newman's life work are already encumbered by those past investments? What fraction of the funds you seek are intended to be used in pursuing lawsuits as opposed to lab work (with actual, PUBLISHED capacitance values, etc.)? > I know this will be difficult for you to comprehend (in lieu of your above > "questions"), but -- interestingly enough, the above-listed telephone > number is the telephone number of Joseph Newman. And, coincidently, Joseph > Newman has been known to be reached at that telephone number. And, > curiously-enough by coincidence, I have previously provided that telephone > number to you if you wish to pursue an answer to your "questions". I know that it will be difficult for Mr. Soule to comprehend (in lieu of his prefessed lack of objectivity, due to his self-professed admitation for Mr. Newman's 'genius'), but -- interestingly enough, Mr. Newman's phone number is of no practical value, as he is unable to carry on a meaningful technical discussion once a point of contention has been reached. Rather than having the simple truth made clear, the caller will get endless evations and profanity, and may be even be threatened with physical violence if mention is made of contradictory evidence against his claims. Such is hardly an intellegent, reasonable discourse, and is so totally lacking in any shred of scientific objectivity, that there is nothing to be gained from such calls. > Ah.... I think I understand. You "write" that you "I'm fully aware of > Joe's number", but I can only suppose that you don't understand the > _function_ of a telephone. Well, Keith, the purpose of the telephone is to > assist us as a device for rapid communication. It is an curious device > with which you can punch in (usually with your finger) a given "number" or > "numbers" which match the little numbered "buttons" featured (usually) on > the front of the little device. In this case, Keith, there are numbers > from 0 to 9 which can be pressed on the telephone: Mr. Soule, you are way out of line here. You are fully aware of Mr. Newman's "eccentric" nature, and of his disposition in such matters. We all know the number. Enough already? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 17:12:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28020; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:12:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:12:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990104195406.00ca5ad0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:19:52 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: PatentRe: RQM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3SmMj.0.jr6.kRMas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi. At the risk of repeating myself :^), I started this thread with the URL of a PDF version of the patent. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf Someone earlier seemed to think it didn't work; well I tried it just now and it did for me. So try again. At 04:12 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Dear Chris, > > Can you please post the patent numbers? > > INM Patent Server is not bad. > > Go to www.dogpile.com > And search IBM Patent > > > >On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Christopher Loenthal wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Dan Ghiocel wrote: >> >> > I just visited RQM site. >> > There claim is that now the output / input factor has reached 8.6 to 1, >> > with a stable output power of 550 watt (0.55 kW). >> > The input power amounts to 64 watt (0.064 kW). >> > It looks too good to be true, does it? >> > >> > Dan >> >> On their web site, they do have a listing of their patents #'s in various >> countries. Does anyone know of a reliable web site which lists and >> describes patents? I tried to look for one... couldnt look for too long >> considering i'm at work. :) Maybe someone could look up the patent >> description and post it here. Just a thought. :) >> Chris Loental >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 17:53:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14065; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:52:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:52:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3691974E.13DA@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:38:38 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CG1P31.0.gR3.u1Nas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > And if one chooses to react with sarcasm and/or hostility to Joe's > postulated eccentricity in this regard, then this only provokes predictable > hostility from Joe which provokes another predictable response from the > other, which provokes more hostility, etc., etc. Probably true, but what is not being said here is what kind of reaction a person is going to get if they make the call in a respectful and polite manner, but dare suggest Mr. Newman may be in error. If any suggestion of contradictory experimental evidence is made, Mr. Newman often responds with profanity, call you a liar, and proceed to a real fire and brimstone rant. When I called Joe Newman to discuss my work with his 'two coil' demonstration, it took about 20 minutes to get past this ranting. Only after I pointed out what a poor example of a Christian he was setting, by accusing me of lying, and taking the Lord's name in vain before even bothering to understand my self-described confusion. This actually worked. Once past this point, we did actually have an agreeable conversation, and I can understand Mr. Soule's respect and admiration for Mr. Newman, but at no point were we able to carry on an objective, technical discussion. > Actually, it is kind of "funny". I generally know in advance what some of > the responses will be to one of Joe's Statements/Releases. What then > remains is the mutual 'realization' of the predictable interchange of > responses. Even, the releases are predictable, as are the demonstrations. There is a lack of technical substance. Such a predictable lack, over such a long time, that there is little if any credibility remaining. This is clear from the recent list traffic. As to your predictable repetition of Mr. Newman's challange, maybe this year Mr. Newman will be willing to accept the counter-challange offered on this forum during the last Newman flap? If Mr. Newman's so tough, lets roll up our sleeves right here, where the clear objections are being voice? Will Mr. Newman dare rumble on our turf? Bill Beaty pointed out that the general public are not a suitable judge of scientific facts. Here the rules are quite different than those Joe Newman seems to prefer, here we judge by emperical evidence. Here, I suspect he would have his head handed to him soundly! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 17:58:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA17400; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:58:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:58:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990104210621.00cadac0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:06:24 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8HCd5.0.jF4.47Nas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:28 PM 1/4/99 -0800, you wrote: >> Ah.... I think I understand. You "write" that you "I'm fully aware of >> Joe's number", but I can only suppose that you don't understand the >> _function_ of a telephone. Well, Keith, the purpose of the telephone is to >> assist us as a device for rapid communication. It is an curious device >> with which you can punch in (usually with your finger) a given "number" or >> "numbers" which match the little numbered "buttons" featured (usually) on >> the front of the little device. In this case, Keith, there are numbers >> from 0 to 9 which can be pressed on the telephone: > >Mr. Soule, you are way out of line here. > >You are fully aware of Mr. Newman's "eccentric" nature, and of his >disposition in such matters. > >We all know the number. Enough already? > Now, Bob, I did post a rather sarcastic response to the 1/1/99 post of Joe, so it's not so out of line to flame back a bit :^) Unfortunately for Evan, my posts do not contain long drawn out rants about God, Humanity, how Great I am, and where to send donations to. So they're harder to lampoon. As regards Joe's recent announcements. Well, I wonder about the value of judging theories of electromagnetism by popularity contests. I've been brainwashed by the educational system into believing that I can construct experiments, make accurate measurements, then have these things reproduced by third parties. Can you believe it? Further, as a result of my insistent questioning, not only am I on the outs with Mr. Newman, but with God Himself. But I shouldn't be surprised, as I remember from Sunday school God seemed to have real problems with questioning mortals as well. Joe seems to hold the questioning of established knowledge in high regard; in this I am in uneasy agreement. He should appreciate the fact that the logic works both ways, and if you read the prior posts carefully you will see that the questions remain unanswered. For you see, the Energy Machine of Joe Newman is whatever he wishes it to be. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 18:22:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA01549; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:22:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:22:26 -0800 Message-ID: <36919E35.7C4A@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:08:05 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: <3.0.32.19990104210621.00cadac0@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aPF6P1.0.0O.XTNas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > Now, Bob, I did post a rather sarcastic response to the 1/1/99 > post of Joe, so it's not so out of line to flame back a bit :^) > Unfortunately for Evan, my posts do not contain long drawn out > rants about God, Humanity, how Great I am, and where to send > donations to. So they're harder to lampoon. I agree Mr. Soule may have some reason to respond in turn, but he's thumping Mr. Newman's phone number like a sunday preacher. That would not be so bad if Mr. Newman were reasonably approachable. But things being as they are, enough is enough. Search the archives, how often has anyone asked for Joe's number Evan? Now how many times have people asked for the capacitor value? > As regards Joe's recent announcements. Well, I wonder about > the value of judging theories of electromagnetism by popularity > contests. I've been brainwashed by the educational system into > believing that I can construct experiments, make accurate > measurements, then have these things reproduced by third parties. > Can you believe it? Uhhh, hello, yes. I was here last time we saw that challange format. I beleive you were as well, is that correct? The fallacy of replacing experimental evidence with popular opinion may be Mr. Newman's method, but it just won't play here. > Joe seems to hold the questioning of established knowledge in > high regard; in this I am in uneasy agreement. He should appreciate > the fact that the logic works both ways, and if you read the > prior posts carefully you will see that the questions remain > unanswered. Oh yes, he is totally intollerent of any questioning of his ideas. I've been there myself Keith, and I'd actually done the experiments before I called. After the threats, profanity, and other generally un-Chritian-like behavior, and our phone call became a discussion (an acomplishment I take some pride in!) I asked Mr. Newman a simple technical question. I asked him why, if the mass of copper itself effects the energy stored in an inductor, why two inductors of the same inductance but vastly different masses of copper had the same electrical performance in a given circuit? So I'm not anymore popular with Mr. Newman's god than you are. Without resorting to some distroted form of theology, Mr. Newman was unable to defend his theory in light of my experimental work. By my view (opinion if you will Mr. Soule) the score is still: Conventional EM 1, Newman 0. And the challanger will not take the field, so I dont expect the score to change anytime soon. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 19:17:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27977; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:16:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:16:56 -0800 From: RHammar860@aol.com Message-ID: <4741f5da.36918249@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:08:57 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RQM? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"OZ1xy.0.wq6.cGOas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-04 13:34:00 EST, you write: << On their web site, they do have a listing of their patents #'s in various countries. Does anyone know of a reliable web site which lists and describes patents? I tried to look for one... couldnt look for too long considering i'm at work. :) Maybe someone could look up the patent description and post it here. Just a thought. :) Chris Loental >> Here is a good one which you can copy the patents off of or buy a copy of it. http://www.patents.ibm.com/ibm.html Ron Hammar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 19:44:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08860; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:44:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:44:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901050344.TAA02167@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Reply to "Open Letter" and a Challenge Resent-Message-ID: <"CsjBu3.0.FA2.YgOas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan and all, At 09:25 AM 1/4/99 -0600, you wrote: ... What conclusion about Joe's work is changed by >>"negative to positive" flow? >>2) Current spikes In this circuit, a is the neg. terminal of the battery. >> a b >>----.-> .-----OOOO| Coil >>_ Switch | >>-Battery | >>+-----------------| > >Dear Dave, >Joe discussed the importance of understanding the direction of current >flow. He has stated that its significance is MORE than a "matter of >convention." I would suggest that you re-read his statement. I am sorry, I don't have his book anymore. I don't especially remember the importance of current direction , more the "power input to long wires/coils" In my statement 2, I tried not to assume or state any direction of the current. So I guess we are at an impasse here. > >>3) Minna-K. motor >>To measure the torque, sliding friction has to be removed (from the pully >>and rope). Either no slippage, like a winch should be used, or for a short >>time the slippage is stopped, as in using the clamps on a Prony brake to >>deflect the lever arm. Otherwise there is a large error in the measured output. > >Joseph Newman: >"Your statement 3 is totally false. The dynamometer I described is the >well-accepted ABSORPTION dynamometer. An absorption unit is new to me. Is it a caloriometer type of device to measure mechaical power -> heat? >>It also appears from discussions that the M-K. motor uses about the normal >>mass of copper for a 3HP motor? >Actually, Dave, the MinnKota trolling motor employed an IMPRESSIVE increase >in the size of its coil relative to the year before Dr. Hastings began >working for MinnKota as their Motor design consultant. I will have to take your word, as haven't actually seen the before/after motor. It does seem that if users can run it ou, the word would spread rapidly! >>4) Try and prove it yourself? >Dave -- in your case I would suggest that you not try to build a unit for >yourself. One mechanically-gifted gentleman in Pennsylvania who did master >Joseph Newman's fundamental book said he could envision hundreds of >different possible designs and configurations of the technology. These are >the type of individuals who Joseph Newman is intending to reach. Joseph >Newman has no intention of providing a "cookie-cutter" recipe for a >Motor/Generator. I don't want a "cookie cutter" design. I have done tests with various electromagnets, and have not been able to find anything unconventional, except the manner of energy transfer in a transformer. Nothing yet that looks ou. I will admit that my tests hold a higher priority than something that I read, if the tests were done carefully and conventional theories are investigated closely to see is something new is observed. >And Joseph Newman states: > >"Statement 4 (above): Your comment is a untrue! My first Motors operated >on LOW VOLTAGE! OK, I remember only HV type units in the edition of Joe's book I had. Strings of 9V batteries. No need to get concerned. Are there any LV test results in Joe's latest book? >He is planning to meet with his attorneys next week regarding obtaining tax >exempt status. Your question "How much $ does Joe require to sell 200 Watt >units?" is unclear. I am assuming you are asking what he will charge for a >200 watt unit or you may be asking what capital is necessary to raise to >finance production. I guess I'd be interested in both. Picked 200 Watts as small inverters are in this range to convert 12V DC to AC. Smaller watts would be valuble too, a 50 watt solar panel is about US$350 here, for comparison. __________ >Dave, the following is not specifically directed at you, but I am including >it with this post for the sake of convenience, since I have just finished >speaking with Joseph Newman: > That is why I have publicly made an Open Challenge >to everyone - to FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL! And if anyone thinks they >know more than me about the basics of electromagnetism, then I challenge >you to match my money ($10,000) and DEBATE ME! > This may be interesting to hear. My interest as a "amateur scientist" is electromagnetism, especially induction. No I don't know what the magnetic field is, only some of its effects. Do you plan this to be all verbal, or do you expect the challenger to bring demonstrations to show/prove his/her ideas of electromagnetism? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:14:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA19702; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:13:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:13:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? In-Reply-To: <36924e19.644720631@24.192.1.20> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lK4b82.0.hp4.66Pas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Fre., It would be grand if anyone could grab the patent .. Is it Sweden? And maybe ask Stefan Hartman or Jean Naudin ot Jerry Decker or all three! To post it for us all to see. Their printed matter looked like it disclosed nothing..... but that is just an opinion.... Usually when a legitimate company HAS a patent then the pitch for funds is technically complete.. and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of that. Thanks, J On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:34 -0600 (CST), Christopher Loenthal wrote: > > > > >found this link off of the RQM site... looks interesting. > > > >http://www.cleanenergy.com > > > > > >Chris L. > As far as I am aware, CETI are themselves having difficulties > replicating their own devices. > > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:18:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA21076; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:18:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:18:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Newman .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cFgHo3.0.D95.7APas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: y Dear Evan and fre., I like the idea of Newman's concept... but am having a little trouble getting my hands on it. I have the book. Will Mr. Newman let us know a simple demonstration of principle? Maybe: A single sraight conductor ... and what to do with it and magnet... and what to expect as output? I personally have skill in measuring tiny effects. JHS... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:21:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA23126; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:21:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:21:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990104210621.00cadac0@cnct.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JBvKf1.0.9f5.vCPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, Can we dispense with the personality ... and get o with some data and facts....PLEASEEE??? I have to discard stuff if I exceed amount of incoming .... I wouls rather save grain, as oppsed to chaff. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:37:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA32044; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:37:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:37:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:47:41 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"x74VT1.0.bq7.HSPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule wrote: >> >> Dear Dan, > > > >> You wrote: "I do not find any useful information that relates to the >> discussions on this bulletin board." It is obvious to me that you did not >> read and/or did not understand Joseph Newman's post. > >Evan, I think the point made by Dan is simply that Mr. Newman's >responses to >very basic questions is non-responsive. > >The 'press release' did not even address the simple question of the >value of capacitor used. Simply repeating the markings on the capacitor >may be enough >for you and Joe Newman, but I also find it falls far short of 'useful'. > >I also find it par for the course. Clearly you and Mr. Newman have no >intention >of respecting this forum and its policies. This is both rude and >impolite to the membership of this list, especially those that have been >through the last Newman flap, when you respecfully withdrew from the >discussion after it became quite clear that the Newman camp was >unwilling or unable to address actual testing done by members of this >forum in a substantive manner. > >What if anything, is any different today? > >Dont go away this time, just shut me down with the facts. Dear Bob, Thanks for your comments. You are welcome to you incorrect opinion that "I and Mr. Newman have no intention of respecting this forum and its policies. This is both rude and impolite to the membership of this list..." Respectfully, this opinion of yours is balderdash. And you are welcome to find anything "par for any course" Of course, so am I. I present statements/releases/test results/observations/comments by Joseph Newman. Joseph Newman is under no obligation to enter into a commentary with you just as you are under no obligation to make comments about his work to him. The posts I make in this regard are informational in nature. You are welcome to study it, think about it, reflect upon it, respond to it, love it, hate it, leave it, or ignore it..... your choice. As a matter of fact, I DO receive private correspondence from list members who do find the material posted very informative. Of course, such individuals seem to have already taken the time to read Joseph Newman's book and have endeavored to master an understanding of his technology as he describes it in his fundamental book --- something which you have not done. And, of course, this is your choice. Operationally-speaking, you have "shut yourself down". I respect those who have read Joseph Newman's book and demonstrate a fundamental understanding of the revolutionary significance of what he has accomplished relative to providing -- for the first time in the history of our species -- a comprehensive, fundamental and mechanical explanation for observable phenomena which had never before been so integrated on such a fundamental, mechanical basis. I respect those individuals who have proceeded to began to conduct their own experiments based upon Joseph Newman's work. I respect those individuals who have traveled to see his recent demonstration in Scottsdale as well as the more than 30 scientists and engineers who placed their own reputations on the line when they signed Affidavits attesting to the operability of his technology. These people I respect. While I may or may not respect YOU, I would certainly agree (and defend) your right to your OWN opinion and viewpoint (however correct/incorrect). Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:51:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04186; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:51:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:51:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990104235850.00ca13d0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:58:52 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_JSPS2.0.F11.GfPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:13 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > Can we dispense with the personality ... and get o with some data >and facts....PLEASEEE??? > > I have to discard stuff if I exceed amount of incoming .... I >wouls rather save grain, as oppsed to chaff. OK. Perhaps one reason Joe has been less than forthcoming on the latest "Energy Machine" is due to the strange circumstances surrounding the making of it. I found this on Eric Kriegs web site, check http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/skeptic for a whole lot more. Me, I find Eric rather conservative for my tastes, but a good source of information nonetheless. Anyway, if you have problems imagining what it must be like working with Joe, see what this man has to say... leftIts gyro man, Joe Newman...... he's everywhere, he's everywhere..... well, actually, he's nowhere! (Except, maybe by now, he's behind bars). Be forewarned: if you are an investor in Joe Newman's energy machine, you will probably never see any return on your investment. He appears to be running a scam. If you are thinking of investing your capital in his venture, think carefully and read the following. Please bear in mind that Joe Newman is a smooth talker, very glib, very convincing liar and will twist what you say, to make himself look good. My name is Norm Biss and I live in Erie PA. Today's date is 13 Aug.' 98 The following is a factual and true account of myself and the company I am employed by. It involves the manufacture of a full size prototype motor utilizing Joe Newman's theory. Being of reasonable mind and sound mental faculties, this 59 year old motor technician (myself) wishes to disclose dealings involving what I feel are treacherous and dishonest actions of Joseph Westley Newman- who I consider a common thief" At this point let me state for the record that I feel Joe Newman is somewhat of an autistic savant. He can be somewhat brilliant at times, at other times, he is extremely obtuse and downright stupid. If you could unscrew the top of his head and look inside, you would probably find a gyroscope with the gimbals uncaged. In June, 1998, Joe Newman called the company I work for and asked for me. He wanted to know how interested I and / or my company would be in developing a prototype of his energy machine. I was immediately interested; however it was not my decision to make. After conferring with the owner of the company I work for, we decided to do it. A matter of clarification is in order: both my employer and myself had read Joe Newman's books on his energy machine,. I still had to put on my best salesman's face to convince my employer. He trusted my judgment. My employer is a man of honor, and when he agrees to something, he stands behind it. As we now know, Joe Newman is the complete opposite. His word is worthless! After deciding in the affirmative, I then returned Joe Newman's call and informed him we would be willing to sponsor and build a prototype of his energy machine. Since our company is in the motor repair and service business, we were well qualified. I mention this because I feel it is important you understand that this motor was to be manufactured by highly qualified technicians and machinists with all-necessary equipment and materials. This was a team effort by highly qualified professionals! So as you read this, you will understand that people who take pride in building and rebuilding electric motors were involved in the project. The primary condition for sponsoring and building this prototype was that we would be able to completely run a comprehensive battery of tests on the prototype. This was made very clear to me as a condition of sponsorship. I informed Joe Newman. And he agreed. (If you have read any of Joe Newman's material, you will notice he is always crying because no one wants to properly test his motor.) we wanted test results that would stand up. Results that could be obtained by anyone who would test it. There would be no skewing of the figures to get what we wanted, but cold, hard data. In other words, let the motor stand or fall on its own abilities. If it does as proclaimed by Joe Newman, great. No one would be happier than the company I work for and myself. If it failed, so be it. We would have taken a risk and lost, chalked it up to r&d, and went on to other things. When all tests would have been completed, Joe Newman could have possession of the motor. If the results would have proven Joe Newman's theory, we would have geared up for production on a large scale. I asked Joe Newman to send me some parameters to start a prototype. What Joe faxed me was a very crude drawing of a motor lamination. He also (by telephone) told me what ID and OD of steel pipe to use for the field housing, how long the field housing was to be and the length of armature laminations and length of armature shaft. As you will see, Joe had no plans for a real motor. The figures on dimensions didn't seem right to me, so I broke out my engineering books and cranked in some formulas. Because of the support distance between bearings, Joe's shaft diameter would have developed .60 of and inch "slap". Because we needed .070 of an inch air gap, this was unacceptable. The shaft diameter had to be increased by 25% . In addition, the slot gaps had to be increased by 25%to facilitate proper coil insertion. I called Joe back and told him of the changes that were necessary, and why. He agreed, but wanted no other changes, he also told me what size wire to use. I (not Joe Newman) completely designed a motor from his sketchy information. (Joe evidently didn't put much thought, research or effort into his life's work!) I worked out all mathematics for the electrical and mechanical aspects of this motor. Furthermore, I did all the drafting and mechanical drawings for the prototype. These drawings are copyrighted and patent is pending! I spent many hours locating, the proper material. (Remember, this is a prototype built to Joe's specs., so very few items were available off-the-shelf) for example, the permanent magnets for the field housing were exceedingly difficult to locate. I finally found a company who was willing to modify one of it's molds to accommodate our needs. Lead-time was 8 weeks. My prints were made to utilize these very unique items. Though very expensive, these magnets called "motor arcs" would provide perfect air gap and uniform field strength. Just as importantly, everything would fit together with a minimum of problems. Joe Newman arrives and immediately problems develop. Joe just can't wait 8 weeks for motor arcs. He brings his own magnets! Meanwhile, I've accumulated most of the parts manufactured to print specs. The laminations (laser cut to special dimensions) have arrived and been stacked, we will manufacture the end bells, but they've not been done yet. Because we've lots of time (i.e. the 8 weeks lead-time on motor arcs). Joe's in a big rush (why).? his magnets are neodymium, and quite powerful, but... they are rectangular! He wants to install them anyway. After all, they have the same magnetic height the motor arcs have. For all of Joe Newman's supposed genius, (he openly boasts to all that he is: "the worlds greatest scientist" which I will hereafter refer to as W.G.S.) he had not the faintest idea of what a chord line was in reference to the circumference of a circle. Remember that he wants to put rectangular magnets inside a steel pipe. Only the edges of the magnets will be in contact with the circumference of the steel pipe. In addition there will be an angle between parallel rows of magnets. Good old Joe had not figured out it would get a little crowded in there. Major problem! Now the pipe must be bored to allow for armature clearance, also the rectangular magnets will create an uneven air gap because clearance must be obtained across the flat surface of the magnets. At this point, serious doubt begins to creep into my mind about Joe Newman's ability to build a real motor. Because he has a good idea in his energy device, he thinks he is a master motor man. His knowledge is, at best, superficial" at worst, non existent! As this continues, you will see just how ignorant and stupid he really is when it comes to producing his life's work for humanity. This man knows nothing about building an electric motor! So what! That's not a shortcoming. You go to people who do have that ability. Joe did just that. But then he still insisted on doing it his own way. During the course of building this motor, Joe was completely ignorant of common practices that I took for granted he knew: " growl the armature "? " what's that do"? When it was explained to him, his reply was "waste of time", "don't need it". Just slow me up". Bar to bar: hipot: megging: all alien to Joe's vocabulary. Not just the words, but the concepts. End-caps. Slot cells. Midstrips. Kapton. Nomex. VPI. Class "H" insulation. Bearing heater. Endplay. Valhalla low ohms tester. Variac. Neutral point. Interference fit. Winding horn. Tamper. Staking tool. All these were things Joe had no idea about. Furthermore, Joe had no interest in learning about or utilizing these things, " back -- iron"? What's that"? "Oh! " don't need it." Because there is a limit to the amount of inside diameter you can remove from a piece of pipe and still have any structural wall left, the boring was still far short of the amount required. He insists on using what is left!? back -- iron, taken into consideration during original design, is now seriously impaired. Baseplate, frame and mounting feet are all tack-welded together. Heat generated during this process had to cause warpage to the now thin walled pipe. Joe's not concerned! " hurry up"! " can't waste time"! So Joe proceeds to install his rectangular magnets. I had located a special bonding agent for securing magnets. It had just arrived and I hadn't had a chance to do any tests on it prior to usage. This was a 2 part epoxy which " kicked over" in about 2 minutes and was approved for electric motors. Full cure would be achieved in about 4 hours. It was designed for use at full surface area contact between magnet and surface to be adhered to. Since only the edges of Joe's rectangular magnets would be touching the curved surface of the pipe, I needed to do some tests. Furthermore, the epoxy was not designed as a "fill" and could only cover .030 of an inch gap! Joe had nearly one eighth of an inch gap between the flat of the magnet and curvature of the pipe. Joe refuses to run tests. He begins to install magnets, after physically holding the first one in place, he complains that it is taking too long. Scrap the epoxy! Joe goes out and gets "Bondo." uhh", Joe. "What"? " I don't think that's an approved bonding agent for electric motors." " look, Norm, I used this all my life". " it's the best thing you can get." "Fine", let me see the spec sheet". Joe says," don't have one". " don't need it"! "Well, how about the M.S.D.S? " what's that? " Material Safety Data Sheet". Joe says he never used one before and does not need one now. What am I trying to do: "sabotage his life's work?" So without heeding any mixing ratios, Joe grabs one of my expensive (snap on) screwdrivers and commences to stir and mix his Bondo. " Boy, Norm": "This stuff mixes real nice on this sheet of material!" What is it, anyway?" " Oh, that"? "Just a $20.00 sheet of Nomex, Joe". I had made two strips of wood the exact width of the gaps between poles. Clamp them in place 180 degrees apart and the magnets could be aligned perfectly parallel to provide uniform fields. Clamps were too much trouble for Joe. He fiber glassed them in place. He (or no one else) would be able to remove them when finished, without ripping loose magnets. Joe gets the first row of magnets in. But then the second row gives him trouble. For some strange reason the anchored in north magnets wants to repel the second row of north magnets, in addition, his random mix ratios on the fiberglass has changed cure time. Not a problem! Joe goes out and buys enough "SuperGlue" to cement a battle ship together. There are now 3 different bonding agents used inside the field housing and nobody has any idea of what the interaction between them will be. Joe's not concerned. Magnets are still "squirting" around when pressure is released from them. Also, it seems the " super glue" likes Joe's fingers. Joe buys Saran Wrap to put around his hands. This solves that problem. We now have, inside the pipe, north and south pole magnets, epoxy, fiberglass, super glue, human skin and bits of Saran Wrap, in God only knows what ratio. Furthermore, no two fiberglass ratios were ever equal. But.......... Joe is done. He is ecstatic! I am in awe. I have just discovered one of the secrets of Joseph Newman's energy machine. Boy, ole Joe sure is clever. No one will accidentally discover his secrets! He still does not have clearance for the armature. No problem! " send it out and get it bored". "Uhh, Joe." pardon me for mentioning this, but don't you imagine a boring bar might develop a little " chatter" inside there" the boring bar would have to be 3 feet long". "Also, there is another small problem" in order to remove the pipe from the frame, it will have to be cut off by a torch." you could very well exceed the curie temperature of the magnets" "if you were very careful, you could probably cut it off with a die grinder and a cutting disc," but then, how do you reassemble," "oops"!! " there's that nasty old torch again"! But, Joe is the worlds greatest scientist so he' ll think of something. "What"? "You say a hone"? "Very good Joe"! One minor problem. A hone that size is not available locally. It's a special order item: take a few days to get. " oh"! You've located one?" And it's only one inch smaller than we need?" " how does that work Joe"? " you're going to wobble it around the inside of these very powerful magnets to remove excess material?" " and your arm is going to be fully extended inside the pipe?' who's going to do this?" " King Kong?" and how do you achieve a uniform cut?" Im just a poor ignorant technician, but I do know the effect between steel and a magnet. Joe, your wobble is going to be automatic... and violent! So Joe uses the undersized hone. "What's that Joe! The stones must be inferior? Oh I see ! you've broke how many? So that idea gets scrapped. Joe uses flapper wheels next to obtain the necessary clearance. When finished the inside circumference looks like a washboard. I'm informed by Joe that the field housing now has the necessary clearance. I asked him how he checked the bore for clearance? He informed me that he had passed one of the extra "lamentations" all the way through the bore and had good clearance. I asked him to repeat it, and he did. I told him I did not understand. He tells me that as a motor repair man I should know what "lamentations" was. I told him I did indeed know what " lamentations" was: a book in the bible. Joe got angry and vented his spleen for about 5 minutes, accusing me of sabotaging his life's work. In truth I only wanted to produce a quality prototype. I informed him that laminations were so called because they are made of laminate steel. By this time, ole Joe and I aren't the best of buddies anymore. His overbearing, obnoxious demeanor and superior attitude toward everybody is wearing thin. Technicians who try to help with proper suggestions are belittled. Joe wants to do everything himself. It seems no one is better qualified than himself. Its time to get his clay feet back on the ground. I tell him his bore clearance check is invalid. Joe gets hot and informs me he is the worlds greatest scientist and who am I to question him?!! At this point, I want to remind everyone that the company I work for has fully funded this entire venture. The only thing Joe Newman provided was his theory ( which is not patentable) (nor proven) and his wrong magnets which have been nothing but trouble. I remind Joe of this, and went to my employer and told him how it was going. He suggested I construct a one foot long, non magnetic cylinder the exact diameter of the armature, and pass it through the bore. So using plywood and Mylar I did as suggested. What? The cylinder got stuck? Out come the flapper wheels again. By now its getting pretty ugly inside the ole pipe, but the cylinder clears the bore. Im not happy with the final product, but Joe Newman is ecstatic. The field housing is finished to Joe's delight and my displeasure. Time to tackle the armature. The real heart of this motor. Up to now, the prototype is still a going concern. Sure we've lost same mega gauss oersteds in the field housing, air gap wont be uniform and performance wont be optimal. But it is a prototype that still has 12 to 14 mgo field strength, and there is a learning curve involved. And in truth who am I to question Joe Newman. It is, after all his concept we are trying to achieve, besides I really am anxious to see this succeed. What followed if not so tragic, would almost be comic opera. Joe now insists the armature be dipped and baked before, repeat, before, being compressed and welded. But, Joe, that is not the proper procedure. "Joe" are you questioning me? You don't know anything. It has to be done that way ok Joe. Another of his secrets after dip and bake it is almost impossible to achieve any compression on the laminations. They are nevertheless welded in place. In Joe's rush to get things done the endcap insulators are left off. They are now put on in pieces with super glue. The W.G.S. is full of answers. Now for the coils to be installed Joe insists on installing them himself. I installed the first ones to show him how. He said he already knew how, and stated ""I could teach a monkey how to wind an armature"! Joe winds about half the slots and has about 20% fill (my calculations during design said I could achieve about 80% fill fairly easily) I tried to get him to form the coil heads, dress them and tamp the slots. But he's in too big of a hurry. At about this time, Joe has to return to Colorado for a few days. While he is gone, I cut out all the coils and started over. I got a winder to install them the armature is looking nice now, but it is not finished by the time Joe returns. He insists on finishing it. Are we using magnetic wire?" no" never had any". All we have is magnet wire". "That will have to do"! Joe leaves out coil groups. "Enough" he says. "Takes too much time". (What's the rush, Joe)? We wind up with 54% slot fill. Joe insists on doing the connections himself. I set him up with the oxy/acetylene torch and showed him how to use them by brazing a couple connections. It was time to leave for the day but Joe said he would stay and finish the connections. When I came in the next day, I discovered Joe has soldered the connections, not brazed them! Furthermore, he had not used Kapton tape as instructed. Instead, he went out and bought cheap vinyl tape and taped the connections with it. It was rated at 90 volts and 176 degrees f. (We bake at 350 degrees.) Im beginning to suspect Joe is rushing because he has scheduled a demonstration soon. We wound the armature before we installed the new commutator. It facilitated ease of coil installation so we waited. We were now ready to install the comm. This is a simple procedure involving an interference fit. You heat the comm to a certain temperature and install it; you mark the comm with a pen that has temperature sensitive wax. When it reaches the temp of pen ( called paint stick) the wax melts and is ready to install. But Joe's in a hurry. Was hasn't melted, but it "looks" hot enough. Joe grabs the comm and slaps it on the shaft. "I wouldn't do that Joe"! Uh- oh- too late. The com is now about 1/4, of the way on the shaft. No problem for Joe. Joe uses a driving sleeve and an 8 pound sledge and beats the comm on the shaft. The mica inside the comm is probably shattered and the "v" rings probably damaged. But, hey, Joe showed us there is another way to install a comm. By now, my disgust and loathing toward this cretin is rapidly accelerating all components of this motor were brand new. Now we've got an imbecile putting them together. Thing's can't possibly get any worse! But they do. Now the coil ends tops and bottoms have to be soldered to the risers. No problem Joe assures me. This is one area where he is the best. Been doin' it all my life. Great! Now something gets done properly for a change. I had to leave for a while, when I returned Joe is soldering away. I go take a look. (At this point, let me digress for a moment.) In purchasing a comm, I was unable to get exactly what I wanted. So I purchased a comm with an exact multiple of bars. When multiples are jumpered together, the function is the same, you just require a larger brush. I blow my top. Good ole Joe is using a 100 watt soldering gun and dripping liquid solder on the wires as they lay in the slots. The jumper wires is a mess as well as the lead ends. Some wires are only half way into the slots; some are actually at the bottom of the slot, but just lying there. I get the proper size soldering iron and my staking tools and show him how to use them. It is time for me to go home. Upon returning in the morning, I discover Joe's handiwork. He used the proper iron, but had a man direct a fan toward the riser so it wouldn't get too hot. He had also placed jumpers in the wrong slots, shorted bars in the wrong area. It looked as though someone had melted a silver colored chocolate bar all over the risers. I told Joe the comm must be redone. Another outburst." this is my Life's work"." I do this all the time"."you don't know anything. You should be humble like me and learn, instead of thinking you know it all" "I'm the worlds greatest blah, blah, blah. ( I'm thinking to myself: yeah Joe, you are the greatest." "The worlds greatest sphincter muscle".)!! 1). maybe im being a little harsh on Joe. This could be another secret revealed. 2). you short out the windings, possibly creating the world's first monopole. 3). E=m c squared- armature turns and stops at speed of light, and to my untrained eye it appears as though it never moved. 4). possibly my eyelids are flickering at the speed of light, creating a stroboscopic effect on my retina and I only imagine it is standing still. I guess I really should learn to be more humble! End bells and bearing sleeves are being manufactured by our second shift, but not fast enough to suit Joe. Joe's in a big rush. He has the armature dipped and baked without reworking the comm. One bearing sleeve fits properly on the interference fit. The other is too small. Joe's rushing, can't wait.( we conclude later that Joe Newman has stolen a shop key this morning). No time to do it right. Out comes the 8 lb. Sledge again. Someone has to hold the driving sleeve while Joe swings the hammer in his shaking hands. From high overhead. Believe me this holding of the driving sleeve is definitely not a Norm job. So I watch this Dante-esque performance. With sweat pouring from him, and a look of hatred on his face, Joe goes to work. In an imitation of John Henry, Joe attacks the driving sleeve with gusto. Eventually the bearing sleeve is seated against the shoulder on the shaft. Miraculously, only one guy gets a broken bone. Yep! The holder of the driving sleeve. By now, Joe has become quite obsessed. He picks up the armature, which is quite heavy, and attempts to get to his car with it. Two guys block his way. The armature stays. It is now after 10:00 p.m., Saturday night, August 1st 1998. I call my employer at home and explain everything to him. He talks to Joe on the phone and Joe apparently calms down. We set the alarms and lock up the shop. Joe does not try to use the stolen key. He does tell one person that the owner authorized him to have a key to the shop. This is completely false. Joe was apparently planning to enlist this persons help at a later time. On Monday, August 3, the end bells were finished, the bearings and brush holder installed and the motor was assembled. Problems can't turn the armature! Why? Disassemble motor find two magnets have popped loose. (Remember Joe's wonderful fiberglass job). Repairs are made, motor is reassembled. Still can't turn armature. Disassemble, again. Find armature has been scrubbing again. Out come flapper wheels and the magnets are attacked again. Armature laminations are skinned to remove any high spots. At this point it is discovered that the shaft is slightly bent. We ask sledgehammer Joe about it. He hasn't a clue it's a mystery. Reassemble again. Armature still wont turn. Disassemble again. All this assembly and disassembly takes time. The armature must be removed from, and installed into the magnetic field housing by overhead crane, this must be done very carefully. It is now time to go home. Tuesday August 4th 1998 we reassemble, motor again but without brush rack. Motor now turns by hand very nicely. Disassemble, comm end and install brush rack. Reassemble motor, armature will not turn why? My employer comes up with the answer: remove brushes. Motor now turns nicely ( remember the shorted comm bars ?) ( Joe does not want the armature cleared. Why? With several poles being shorted together, the entire armature is in magnetic lock. Without the brushes in the holder and the armature still not cleared Joe hooks up a 6 volt battery to a couple of brushes and touches them to individual bars on the comm. The motor creeps around at about 30 rpm. Joe is again ecstatic I am now beginning to doubt Joe's theory. Is he fraudulently twisting his tests to entice investors? He fools around all day. Nothing is accomplished. Next day Wednesday, August 5th 1998. Again, half a day wasted on nothing but Joe's experiments. Now he's actually stalling! Why? (Afraid of test results). By 2:00 p.m., we get the motor hooked up to the dynamometer. Comm still hasn't been cleared. Using a small panel I personally built (I didn't trust Joe) we monitored input current and voltage along with rpm, Joe has been adding batteries in series until a total of 156v is obtained. This is over 6 times intended input power. Motor was designed to run on 24v dc. Input current varied between 200 milliamps and 1 amp. The rpm got up to about 300 rpm. Joe, meanwhile, is recording everything on paper. He disgustingly coos and gushes at any slight increases in rpm or decrease in input current."yoo-hoo" Joe, hello anybody home? Your numbers all are sour. Ya got a shorted comm. Go to your Rosenberg under dc motors one of the reasons for a slow running motor is, or may be, quote: shorted armature or commutator." guess what, Joe"?" oh you can't be bothered with that. At 5:00 p.m. sharp Joe stops. He says his religious holiday begins at 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday and ends at 5:00 p.m. on Thursday. Same thing happened last week. Joe has this strange idea that all bad things happen to him on Thursdays. No problem Joe. We have religious freedom in this country. What is Joe's religion? I've got no idea. Maybe Gyroastroism. Thursday, 6 August 1998. Since Joe wont be in until 5:00 p.m., I tear the motor apart to clear the comm. Up to this point, I have been making some serious accusations against my ole sphincter muscle buddy, Joe. He is well known and I am, literally, nobody. Why should anyone believe me? I am known for being slow on the job, but I am very accurate and thorough. I document everything I do even if it appears to be irrelevant. I also have several eyewitnesses to each and everything I've described. I've also got receipts documenting all purchases. I also have all the mechanical drawings, oh, by the way, did I mention all the lovely, clear, in focus photographs of each and every stage of this operation, many from different angles? Believe me, I can back up each and every allegation I've made. I now proceeded to take some close up photos of the risers. Using a torch and air hose, I removed Joe's wonderful solder job while still leaving all jumpers and wires in place. Again, "click." "Flash". "Click". "Flash". I wanted to later lay out Joe's comm soldering job and analyze it. Maybe I could prove graphically and mathematically why it turned so slow. I was confident that when the comm was resoldered the motor would work fine. To say I no longer trusted Joe Newman is an understatement. I had a technician lift all lead ends and remove all jumpers. All coil groups were isolated. Using a 6 volt battery and a compass, tops and bottoms were tagged then the comm was reconnected properly and soldered. About 1:00 p.m. Joe Newman walked in. What? Not on his Sabbath! But Joe says he has good news. He says God has revealed to him where the problem is. It seems as though we have to change brush angle on our two pole motor to align with the pitch of the coils in the armature. What ? I suspect one of 3 things. 1). Joe wants us to believe he has an open line to God. 2). He really does. 3). Maybe God doesn't like Joe Newman This turkey Newman wants the brushes set 135 degrees apart. Because this is a 2 pole motor, they must be 180 degrees apart. At 135 degrees with the properly connected commutator, the back emf will be tremendous. The windings could burn out or the brushes blow off or even blow out the comm. I tried to refuse to do it, I didn't want to ruin what was left of the armature. Joe threw a hissy fit, like a spoiled brat, and went stalking off to the office to see my employer. Shortly thereafter, my employer came back to my area. Up by the door to our wing of the shop stands Joe Newman with a big smile on his face ( he showed me) he then slyly scurried from the building. It was the last time I saw Joe Newman. My employer asks me to humor Joe. But how? We decided I would install a third brush holder at 135 degrees, put a brush in it and turn it by hand for 1 gap. Then remove that brush and put it back at 180 degrees. With everything in proper order, this motor was going to be truckin' and I didn't want to ruin it. So I completely disassembled the brush holder and marked it out for the third brush. But in disgust I threw all the parts in a box, grabbed all my drawings and locked them in the office and went home. I figured I would come in early, assemble the brush holder and motor and run some tests. This time a crew of electrical engineers was going to monitor the tests and really wring it out. Furthermore we wanted to run the motor continuously for at least 24 hours to determine durability, bearing alignment, etc. this we never got to do. Around 8:00 p.m. or 8:30 p.m. on Thursday night, 6 August 1998, we believe Joe Newman entered the shop and stole the disassembled prototype. Having grown to distrust Newman recently I'd written down his license plate number, year, make, model and color of his rental car. But Joe had planned ahead. He switched vehicles. We got all the same information on that vehicle also, but, thief in the night Newman, makes good on his escape. Police and FBI were notified.. We know for a fact that Joe Newman paid a gullible employee of our company $100.00 dollars to help him load the motor in his car. He also got help at the car rental agency to transfer the motor to his new vehicle. He told that person that he had a demonstration of the motor in a couple weeks. Here is the ironic part. Had Joe waited for 2 days, when all testing was complete, we would have signed a release and the motor would have been his. Legally. He did not want the test run! Why? He is nothing but a common thief! All the foregoing claims made by me are factual. Receipts, documents, eyewitnesses, photographs and police and FBI reports can support them. Norm Biss Erie PA 13 August 1998. In conclusion, let me present some hypothesis that I have come up with. These are only possibilities. We let you decide for yourself. What was Joe's motive for fraudulently obtaining this motor?. Motive! 1 -- smart Joe Joe deliberately sabotaged his own motor because he has a separate deal with a group of investors who will back him if he can come up with a working model. Joe goes home repairs his sabotaged parts and presents them with a workable prototype. He is still a thief!. Motive #2 -- neurotic Joe Joe has been paranoid about someone, (always the vague they) who don't want him to produce this motor. He has on occasion said it was the government. He is always claiming someone is trying to steal his invention or sabotage it. His neurotically twisted brain can't grasp the fact that a theory cannot be patented he is still a thief! Motive #3 -- stupid Joe At times, Joe has flashes of brilliance, but the majority of the time, he has room temperature IQ in an igloo. He is not just mechanically inept he is a disaster around tools and equipment. He really understands nothing about electric motors. He is to be pitied because he is pitiful. He is still a thief.! Motive #4 genius Joe Joe sabotages his own motor so we will find it no good on testing it. He then steals it corrects his mistakes and tells the world that only he can understand his motor, and only he can make it run. He is after all the worlds greatest living scientist. He's also very humble. Just ask him. He is still a thief. Motive # 5 -- con man Joe Joe panics when he sees his motor is going to be properly tested, and knows it cannot live up to his claims for it. We have countered some of his sabotage and he is going to be exposed as a fraud. Has Joe been conning people and bilking investors for over a decade? He has been selling distributorships and units of his company for tens of thousand of dollars to trusting unsuspecting investors. (Remember show me a thief and I'll show you a liar.) We question if even one single investor has received any return on their capital! We feel Joe is not interested in selling his motor. He proved that when we were ready to produce it, and he stole it. Joe is only interested in selling stock in his shell of a company. We would have killed the goose that gave Joe all those golden eggs. So, by stealing the motor, Joe accomplishes 2 things, (1). He is not exposed as a fraud. (2). He now has a working model to demonstrate and lure in more investors. He is still a thief! Here is something for everyone interested in Joe Newman's energy machine. If we could build it in 2 months, why has it taken 20 years for Joe Newman to do it? He had to steal it. What has he been doing all this time and with all his investors money?? In ending this, I would be very interested in contacting Dr. Roger Hastings. Thank you. Norm Biss -- Erie PA 13 Aug. 1998 ("Thursday." Joe) Disclaimer I am doing this independently, and in no way is this information to be construed as being written by the company that I am employed by. Norm Biss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:53:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04815; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:03:03 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"onSBa3.0.8B1.jgPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule' wrote: > > > >> Joseph Newman has stated that the purpose of funds raised through the >> Foundation is to finance the production of his Motor/Generator technology. > >Interesting. Mr. Soule, can you please describe the current status of >ownership >of this technology. Dear Bob, I'm happy that you find it interesting. I find your interest interesting. Joseph Newman holds the majority ownership of this technology. > >I know that a substancial ammount of money has been invested over some >time now. > >Is this technology your seeking funding for the very same technology >presented by Mr. Newman a decade (and longer) ago? > >What percentages (if any) of Mr. Newman's life work are already >encumbered by those past investments? > >What fraction of the funds you seek are intended to be used in pursuing >lawsuits as opposed to lab work (with actual, PUBLISHED capacitance >values, etc.)? If you would like an explicit answer to your points above regarding Joseph Newman's business operations, you are invited to contact Joseph Newman directly at: (602) 657-3722. However, since I don't anticipate that you will do this, then you will not obtain an answer to your queries. Of course, if someone else wishes to do this on your behalf, they are welcome to do so. And if you would like to repeat the questions in another email post, I will be pleased to once again provide you with Joseph Newman's telephone number. :-) > >> I know this will be difficult for you to comprehend (in lieu of your above >> "questions"), but -- interestingly enough, the above-listed telephone >> number is the telephone number of Joseph Newman. And, coincidently, Joseph >> Newman has been known to be reached at that telephone number. And, >> curiously-enough by coincidence, I have previously provided that telephone >> number to you if you wish to pursue an answer to your "questions". > >I know that it will be difficult for Mr. Soule to comprehend (in lieu of >his prefessed lack of objectivity, due to his self-professed admitation >for Mr. Newman's 'genius'), but -- interestingly enough, Mr. Newman's >phone number is of no practical value, as he is unable to carry on a >meaningful technical discussion once a point of contention has been >reached. I know this will be difficult for Mr. Shannon to comprehend (in lieu of his demonstrated [as opposed to "prefessed"] lack of intellectual honesty, due to his demonstrated lack of "admitation" for Joseph Newman mechanical genius), but -- interestingly enough, Joseph Newman's telephone number is of significant value to anyone who is sincere and intellectually-honest, since he especially enjoys having a meaningful technical and personal discussion once a point of understanding has been achieved. > >Rather than having the simple truth made clear, the caller will get >endless evations and profanity, and may be even be threatened with >physical violence if mention is made of contradictory evidence against >his claims. > >Such is hardly an intellegent, reasonable discourse, and is so totally >lacking in any shred of scientific objectivity, that there is nothing to >be gained from such calls. It is an interesting observation how dozens of people call Joseph Newman throughout the week and have an entirely different type of discussion than the one you enjoyed. Of course, if a given individual calls with an intellectually-dishonest attitude that is perceived by Joseph Newman, then they can possibly anticipate the type of discussion you enjoyed. > >> Ah.... I think I understand. You "write" that you "I'm fully aware of >> Joe's number", but I can only suppose that you don't understand the >> _function_ of a telephone. Well, Keith, the purpose of the telephone is to >> assist us as a device for rapid communication. It is an curious device >> with which you can punch in (usually with your finger) a given "number" or >> "numbers" which match the little numbered "buttons" featured (usually) on >> the front of the little device. In this case, Keith, there are numbers >> from 0 to 9 which can be pressed on the telephone: > >Mr. Soule', you are way out of line here. > >You are fully aware of Mr. Newman's "eccentric" nature, and of his >disposition in such matters. > >We all know the number. Enough already? Mr. Shannon, you are certainly welcome to your opinion that I am "way out of line here." I also share the same opinion --- about yourself. And just in case you've misplaced the telephone number, Bob: (602) 657-3722. Very best regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:53:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04892; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:03:11 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Joseph Newman's Statement of 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"L6cc7.0.BC1.rgPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule' wrote: > > > >> And if one chooses to react with sarcasm and/or hostility to Joe's >> postulated eccentricity in this regard, then this only provokes predictable >> hostility from Joe which provokes another predictable response from the >> other, which provokes more hostility, etc., etc. > >Probably true, but what is not being said here is what kind of reaction >a person >is going to get if they make the call in a respectful and polite manner, >but dare suggest Mr. Newman may be in error. > >If any suggestion of contradictory experimental evidence is made, Mr. >Newman often responds with profanity, call you a liar, and proceed to a >real fire and brimstone rant. > >When I called Joe Newman to discuss my work with his 'two coil' >demonstration, it took about 20 minutes to get past this ranting. Only >after I pointed out what a poor example of a Christian he was setting, >by accusing me of lying, and taking the Lord's name in vain before even >bothering to understand my self-described confusion. > >This actually worked. Once past this point, we did actually have an >agreeable conversation, and I can understand Mr. Soule's respect and >admiration for Mr. Newman, but at no point were we able to carry on an >objective, technical discussion. I am (as you know) familiar with your particular telephone call to Joseph Newman. Whether Joe was in a less-than-positive mood the day you called him, and/or whether you lack the finesse to interrelate with one who is perceived by some as an eccentric innovator --- who knows? What I DO KNOW is that individuals (such as a gentleman who recently posted to this list) DO have reasonable discussions with Joseph Newman when they call him. In fact, this happens on a daily basis with people who telephone me and are referred to call Joseph Newman directly. > >> Actually, it is kind of "funny". I generally know in advance what some of >> the responses will be to one of Joe's Statements/Releases. What then >> remains is the mutual 'realization' of the predictable interchange of >> responses. > >Even, the releases are predictable, as are the demonstrations. It's "Evan", Bob, but I'll otherwise overlook the typo. Your pleasant sarcasm is certainly appreciated by myself, as is your predicatable intellectual dishonesty with respect to reading and mastering Joseph Newman's fundamental book. > >There is a lack of technical substance. Such a predictable lack, over >such a long time, that there is little if any credibility remaining. >This is clear from the recent list traffic. The "technical substance" is presented in Joseph Newman's book. But, of course, we won't need to worry about you reading this. This is predictable. Whether or not you --- especially yourself --- or anyone else find it credible or not is your choice. Joseph Newman HAS demonstrated the operability of his technology (as witnessed and 'Affidavitized' by more than 30 scientists and engineers) and he HAS innovated a major mechanical understanding of the nature of (electro)magnetic fields. > >As to your predictable repetition of Mr. Newman's challange, maybe this >year Mr. Newman will be willing to accept the counter-challange offered >on this forum during the last Newman flap? > >If Mr. Newman's so tough, lets roll up our sleeves right here, where the >clear objections are being voice? Will Mr. Newman dare rumble on our >turf? > >Bill Beaty pointed out that the general public are not a suitable judge >of scientific facts. Here the rules are quite different than those Joe >Newman seems to prefer, here we judge by emperical evidence. > >Here, I suspect he would have his head handed to him soundly! Joseph Newman believes that the general public ARE a suitable judge of facts --- including those of a scientific nature. As you well know, 12 members of the general public routinely evaluate facts which are presented to them from opposing points of view. And these 12 members of the general public are entrusted with more than even determining the rightness of a given individual's position: they are entrusted with making decisions which can determine whether an individual lives or dies. Since you're "flapping away" Bob, I rather suspect that Joseph Newman would have your head handed to the lowest bidder --- after he finished demonstrating your lack of understanding of the fundamentals of electromagnetism. His issued challenge applies to you, Bob: Specifically: Joseph Newman will put up $10,000 and he challenges you to put up $10,000 and then publicly debate him on the fundamentals of electromagnetism before the public in Phoenix, Arizona. He will advertise the event in the local media and you are welcome to do the same. The openly-invited public who attend the event will decide (by majority vote) whether Joseph Newman or yourself is more knowledgeable about the fundamentals of electromagnetism. If you believes that you know more about electromagnetism than Joseph Newman, then this is your opportunity to PROVE IT -- once and for all -- and to back up your words with $10,000. Best regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:53:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04996; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:17 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:03:14 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"OFP_f2.0.hD1.xgPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: snip-- > >Joe seems to hold the questioning of established knowledge in >high regard; in this I am in uneasy agreement. He should appreciate >the fact that the logic works both ways, and if you read the >prior posts carefully you will see that the questions remain >unanswered. > >For you see, the Energy Machine of Joe Newman is whatever he >wishes it to be. > >K. Dear Keith, Thanks for your benevolent balderdash. Joseph Newman has described in detail the nature of the Energy Machine of Joseph Newman in his fundamental book --- curiously of the same name. Those who are intellectually-honest will read it for themselves. Those who are, won't. Oh, and for the record: If one has specific questions, one is invited to contact Joseph Newman directly via telephone at (602) 657-3722. Best regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 20:53:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA05123; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:53:28 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:03:21 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"2y4A33.0.rF1.5hPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Keith Nagel wrote: > > > >> Now, Bob, I did post a rather sarcastic response to the 1/1/99 >> post of Joe, so it's not so out of line to flame back a bit :^) >> Unfortunately for Evan, my posts do not contain long drawn out >> rants about God, Humanity, how Great I am, and where to send >> donations to. So they're harder to lampoon. > >I agree Mr. Soule may have some reason to respond in turn, but he's >thumping Mr. Newman's phone number like a sunday preacher. More like a Monday morning teacher, Bob. If some people keep stating the same thing, then I will keep providing the same phone number, that is, unless the number changes! :-) Call it a synergistic relationship! > >That would not be so bad if Mr. Newman were reasonably approachable. >But things being as they are, enough is enough. And Joseph Newman is "reasonably approachable" by anyone who is truly sincere and intellectually honest. > >Search the archives, how often has anyone asked for Joe's number Evan? > >Now how many times have people asked for the capacitor value? Bob, I have supplied Joe's number (hopefully) as many times as someone has for the capacitor value. I'm more than happy to continue to do so as often as necessary! :-) > >> As regards Joe's recent announcements. Well, I wonder about >> the value of judging theories of electromagnetism by popularity >> contests. I've been brainwashed by the educational system into >> believing that I can construct experiments, make accurate >> measurements, then have these things reproduced by third parties. >> Can you believe it? > >Uhhh, hello, yes. Uhhh, hi, no. Try using my terminology: "brainsoiling" in place of "brainwashing". The former is more operationally explicit. > >I was here last time we saw that challange format. I beleive you were >as well, is that correct? > >The fallacy of replacing experimental evidence with popular opinion may >be Mr. Newman's method, but it just won't play here. Joseph Newman is satisfied that average people CAN determine who has a Right understanding of electromagnetic fundamentals.... just as they determine another's fate to live or die. To him it is NOT a game. If you wish to "play" like it is, that is your choice. > > > >> Joe seems to hold the questioning of established knowledge in >> high regard; in this I am in uneasy agreement. He should appreciate >> the fact that the logic works both ways, and if you read the >> prior posts carefully you will see that the questions remain >> unanswered. > >Oh yes, he is totally intollerent of any questioning of his ideas. >I've been there myself Keith, and I'd actually done the experiments >before I called. > >After the threats, profanity, and other generally un-Chritian-like >behavior, and our phone call became a discussion (an acomplishment I >take some pride in!) I asked Mr. Newman a simple technical question. > >I asked him why, if the mass of copper itself effects the energy stored >in an inductor, why two inductors of the same inductance but vastly >different masses of copper had the same electrical performance in a >given circuit? And Joseph Newman's reaction to the above comment would be that such a comment TOTALLY ignores what he teaches in his fundamental book and also TOTALLY demonstrates that the person asking the question has 0 -- ZERO -- understanding of his technology. Take a MASSive block of copper -- say 1 million pounds ... while one would have a "good" conductor and while current would travel through it, there will be virtually NO magnetic field produced. The resultant "performance" of the copper, e.g., as in the strength of the magnetic field, is relative to the mass fixed in such a way such as the length of the copper wire containing atoms which become specifically aligned as 'hydraulic pressure' (voltage) is applied to align said copper conductor atoms. >Without resorting to some distroted form of theology, Mr. Newman was >unable to defend his theory in light of my experimental work. Balderdash, Bob. > >By my view (opinion if you will Mr. Soule) the score is still: > >Conventional EM 1, Newman 0. > >And the challanger will not take the field, so I dont expect the score >to change anytime soon. Yes, Bob is IS your opinion. And, of course my opinion is: Conventional EM: O, Joseph Newman: 1. I agree that you will "not take the field": Since you, the "challenger" of his Theory will predictably not accept his invitation to publicly debate him regarding the fundamentals of electromagnetism, then yes I do NOT expect the score to change. Period. Best regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 4 21:08:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA14022; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:08:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:08:37 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:18:36 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"5X-2b1.0._Q3.LvPas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel writes: >for a whole lot more. Me, I find Eric rather conservative >for my tastes, but a good source of information nonetheless. >Anyway, if you have problems imagining what it must be >like working with Joe, see what this man has to say... Actually, Eric is what can be termed a "pseudo-sceptic" (as I believe Bill Beaty has employed the term) or a "pathological-sceptic" (as I have previously described). Eric claims to be "impartial" yet his behavior speaks otherwise. And, BTW, I have consistently requested his personal mailing address and telephone number --- since he has chosen to publish statements about Joseph Newman which could be considered libelous (unless he can back them up in a Court of Law with FACTS), yet Eric consistently refuses to provide his address/phone number. On the other hand, Joseph Newman WELCOMES a lawsuit by anyone attempting to claim he is a "fraud" and he has regularly made his address and telephone number available to Eric and anyone else requesting it. It is interesting how some individuals "run their mouths off" and yet they are UNWILLING to personally put themselves on the line to BACK UP their "accusations." Oh, I should add that Mr. Biss ALSO refuses to provide his personal address and telephone number. It takes little courage to make public accusations and then hide behind anonymity. Evan Soule' 10/2/1998 Joseph Newman responds to Norman Biss To the People of the United States and the World: Mr. Norman Biss is a liar, an alcoholic, an idiot, and an attempted thief himself --- BY HIS OWN WORDS. Therefore, those who represent the company for which Mr. Biss works are also attempted thieves since Mr. Biss does not do anything without the permission and blessing of his boss. Note the obvious deception in Mr. Biss's claim (disclaimer) at the conclusion of his letter: "...and in no way is this information to be construed as being written by the company that I am employed by." Note that the lying and thieving position of Norman Biss, his boss, and the company for which Mr. Biss works is exemplified with the following words stated by Mr. Biss: "These drawings are copyrighted and patent is pending!" [Sidebar comment: if Joseph Newman's technology is so "worthless" as Mr. Biss attempts to claim in his letter, then why would Mr. Biss be so emphatic in stating that "These drawings are copyrighted and patent is pending!"?] No one would go to the trouble of "copyrighting and patenting" if they had proof or an honest belief that my PIONEERING ENERGY INVENTION did not work. The people who had witnessed the prototype operate as I claimed it would work and who wanted to steal this technology would, however, so act. The lying Norman Biss knows that company representatives tested the prototype on the Wednesday prior to the Thursday that I left with the machine. On their own, they tested the new machine with their own Dynamometer and the impressive results caused a "big smile to break out on the face of his boss, Joe Pugliese. At that moment, Mr. Pugliese emphatically told me, "Joe, I AM IMPRESSED!" and then he hurriedly walked away to his front office. I witnessed this and anyone who says otherwise is a LIAR! To my great anger, I returned to the company on Thursday and discovered that individuals at the company had completely disassembled the Motor; they had cut wires from the commutator, and an on-site technician told me that he was afraid that I would find that the Motor was not wired correctly as he was not certain what he was doing on this type of Motor. I had previously told Joe Pugliese -- the owner of the company -- that I would be taking my Motor on Friday back to Colorado. Joe Pugliese had on several occasions asked me to allow engineers from General Electric to come witness the test and I said "no" since I did not trust representatives from General Electric. In fact, as a subcontractor, Joe Pugliese's company wrapped large motors for General Electric Corporation. I was certain that individuals at Pugliese's company had disassembled my Motor on Thursday -- without my knowledge or permission -- hoping that I would leave it there when I left on Friday. [I also had disclosed to company representatives how one could build the Newman Motor without using permanent magnets!] The following information below, to and from my attorneys, dated August 3 and August 7, 1998 and August 11, 1998 consist of Confidential Documents which were signed by Norman Biss and Joe Pugliese. The Confidential Documents prove that both Norman Biss and Joe Pugliese are liars and attempted thieves of my technology and deliberate slanderers of my name. In fact, Joe Pugliese has demonstrated the type of "scum" he personally is when he called my wife in Colorado and directly threatened her as explained in my letter to my attorney of August 11, 1998. Joe Pugliese even lied to his own attorney when Pugliese stated that he had NOT signed ANY Confidential Documents regarding my work --- when, in fact, Pugliese has signed THREE SEPARATE DOCUMENTS. One of these Documents consists of two pages and includes all of his workers within the scope of the agreement; moreover, it is quite clear that everything belongs to me if I even doubt that they are in violation of the agreement described below. Note: The lying, thieving, Norm Biss states that he would like to contact Roger Hastings who, in fact, is another thief of my work and who also violated Confidential Disclosure Documents of which I have record. This is indicative of the old saying, "Birds of a feather, flock together." These corrupt people at the Pugliese company deliberately attempted to mess up this Prototype Motor after I had made an agreement with them in good faith --- after THEY had first contacted me and saying that they wanted to assist me following their reading of my fundamental book. Accordingly, I have removed ALL of the coil wrappings designed by their design team, and I have been rewrapping the coil according to my teachings. By his lying, it should be obvious that Biss's criticisms of my involvement in the Motor's construction is the exact reverse of what Biss claims. In fact, Biss was totally incompetent in what he did and I told him this many times. The forthcoming demonstration of my Motor will prove who is the "Teacher" and who is the "student". The truth of this new technology will be shown on public display by the first of next month in Phoenix, Arizona. Everyone will be invited to come at their leisure and see this Motor operate. The letters to/from my attorneys follow as do the Confidential Documents signed by Norm Biss and Joe Pugliese. The Documents prove that they are liars, thieves, and the "scum of the earth." [SIGNED] Joseph Westley Newman 3 A.M., Friday Morning, October 2, 1998 Postscript: My inventive ability as well as my honesty is well documented in my fundamental book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. The inaccurate, insulting, and lying comments of Norm Biss will be publicly exposed for what they are when I soon demonstrate this revolutionary technology for the entire world. ________________________________________ LAW OFFICES OF MURPHY AND SHEPARD 235 Ratliff Street Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 August 3, 1998 MEMORANDUM To: Mr. Joe Pugliese Re: Joseph W. Newman Please be advised that I represent Joseph W. Newman, with whom you executed a contract on 2 June 1998 and that I am sending you this memorandum at his request. (It is my understanding that he will hand deliver this to you.) First, let me state that I have known Joe for many years and have found him to be straightforward and honest. He says what he means and he means what he says. He values honesty and abhors dishonesty. While he believes that you and he can have a mutually-profitable relationship, he is concerned that you are considering breaching your agreement with him. You should not do that. The agreement is clear: He gets the first machine built, and you get the next. Further, your right to manufacture the machine is dependent upon your first producing TWO prototypes as soon as possible. It is my understanding that you have not been able to build the first machine without Joe's help and that he has willingly given it to you. He stands ready to work with you on completing this machine and building the second unit, but this must be done as soon as possible. You are, therefore, strongly urged to honor your agreement with Joe. (If you have changed your mind and do not want to build the second unit, then you must release the first unit to Joe, and he will release you from the contract. Joe hopes, however, that you want to proceed with this project, for the benefit of both of you.) Sincerely, [SIGNED] Robert P. Shepard _________________________________________ LAW OFFICES OF MURPHY AND SHEPARD 235 Ratliff Street Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 August 7, 1998 Attn: Mr. Joe Pugliese Re: Joseph W. Newman Dear Mr. Pugliese, As you know, I represent Mr. Joseph W. Newman It is my understanding that you have decided not to honor your agreement with Mr. Newman and have instead breached the agreement. It is also my understanding that you have made threats to file criminal charges against Mr. Newman. While you and he may have a civil dispute, this is not a criminal matter. If you make the serious mistake of filing criminal charges against him, he will sue you for defamation, false arrest, malicious prosecution, and any other claim his lawyers can conceive. You are further advised that you executed a Confidential Disclosure Agreement on Mr. Newman's machine, which prohibits you from disclosing how it was built or attempting to sell a copy of it. If you refuse to honor that agreement, you will be sued for bad faith breach of contract, and Mr. Newman will seek actual and punitive damages from you personally and your company. Sincerely, [SIGNED] Robert P. Shepard _________________________________________ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 2050 Vineyard Drive Castle Rock, Colorado 80104 (303) 814-3403 August 11, 1998 Ms. Tamra Palmer Attorney-at-Law Denver, Colorado Dear Ms. Palmer, I have a potential business problem which may be immediate in nature, or nonexistent for which I may need your services. Please see Exhibit A (an outline of said potential problem) provided by my long-time local attorney from my previous location of residence in Mississippi. This material was addressed to Joe Pugliese via his company. See also Exhibits B, C, & D which prove that Joe Pugliese and his top technical representative, Norm Biss, both signed Binding Trade Secret Papers which include any employees of Pugliese's company. Note that ALL test results and manufacturing information they have gathered or anything to do with my Confidential Disclosures to them should be immediately returned to me. Also note, ". . . or in the event that such breach appears to be imminent possibility . . ." I can sue them. The facts prove this to be the case: See Exhibit E of Contract signed by Joe Pugliese on June 2, 1998 to make two (2) Prototypes "AS SOON AS POSSIBLE." Fact: The company representatives were NOT proceeding very fast according to the terms and spirit of the original Contract, so therefore I took $6,000.00 worth of magnets (at my own expense), myself hired a worker, and we went to work at Pugliese's company for close to five (5) weeks. On Thursday, August 6, 1998 a Pugliese's company employee - Greg - gladly and eagerly helped me load into my automobile my nearly-completed Prototype which I and my hired worker had previously constructed over the last five weeks. More than 90% of the work was done by the two of us. My above-mentioned magnets and my Trade Secret Innovations were employed in the unit's construction. The First Prototype constructed is and was definitely mine. For whatever reason, Joe Pugliese had chosen to violate the original Agreement dated June 2, 1998, and he did not build the second unit for himself. However, after I left the facility last Thursday (August 6, 1998) with my prototype which was loaded into my automobile by an employee of Joe Pugliese, I returned to my hotel to check out. At that time, the same employee who assisted me with loading my prototype appeared at the check out desk of my hotel and told me that Joe Pugliese had told him to get me and said Prototype back in his building or he was "out the door." He added that Joe Pugliese had said that the "PROTOTYPE WOULD STAY IN HIS BUILDING." I angrily objected to these words and gave the employee a copy of the Contract signed by Joe Pugliese and a copy of the letter from Bob Shepard, my previous local attorney (in Mississippi). I then left for Castle Rock, Colorado to attend my son's Birthday this 10th day of August, 1998. Several hours west of Pugliese's company, I stopped and contacted my wife by telephone and learned that she was terribly upset. She told me that: Joe Pugliese had called her and has angrily and repeatedly shouted at her about six times: "YOU HAD BETTER GET YOUR HUSBAND TO BRING THAT PROTOTYPE BACK BY TOMORROW MORNING OR I WILL HAVE YOUR HUSBAND ARRESTED IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOUR CHILD." And Joe Pugliese added in a very threatening tone of voice: "I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE." These actions are clearly extortion and since there would be telephone records of Mr. Pugliese's interstate telephone call from his state of residence to Castle Rock, Colorado, I assume that his threatening actions would constitute a violation of Federal Law. The actions of Joe Pugliese are clearly in violation of the Contract which we signed on June 2, 1998. The facts tell me that Mr. Pugliese is doing something unscrupulous behind my back and in total violation of all the Contracts which he signed with me on June 1st and June 2nd, 1998. I would appreciate it if you would notify Mr. Pugliese of these facts, that ALL originals and copies of all test results and manufacturing information they have gathered or anything to do with my Confidential Disclosures to them should be immediately returned to me, and that if he even attempts to so act as he personally threatened to my wife, then: I will sue Mr. Pugliese for SLANDER, for EXTORTION, for DELIBERATE INTERFERENCE WITH MY BUSINESS, for the VIOLATION OF OUR CONTRACTS, and for the ATTEMPTED THEFT OF MY PROTOTYPE BUILT BY MY EFFORTS, SWEAT, AND IDEAS. Please forward to me a copy of your letter to Mr. Pugliese. Sincerely, [SIGNED] Joseph Westley Newman ____________________________________ POTENTIAL CONTRACT BETWEEN: Joseph Newman and his Motor Company and Joe Pugliese and his Motor Company: Joe Pugliese has the option to start production of the ENERGY MACHINE INVENTION of Joseph Newman for a given area after: First building two (2) Prototypes of Drawing, given to Norm Biss, as soon as possible. One (1) Prototype goes to Joseph Newman and one (1) to Joe Pugliese. No one can sell the Energy Invention other than Joseph Newman as people he contracts to do so as Distributors, even if Joe Pugliese and/or his company choose to produce it --- when and if the contract is consummated. In that event, Joe Pugliese chooses the following area for Production for which Joseph Newman and his assignees make sales of Energy Invention in said area. If Joe Pugliese cannot produce said Invention relative to the demand of said area, then an additional manufacturer can be contracted with to meet the demand. If this Contract is consummated as stated above, then Joseph Newman or his assignees receives 25% of the profit of Joe Pugliese's production of the Joseph Newman Energy Invention. [SIGNED] Joe Pugliese [SIGNED] Joseph Newman June 2, 1998 _______________________________________ NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT This agreement is entered between Joseph Westley Newman (hereinafter referred to as "Newman") and "Name of Joe Pugliese's Company" (hereinafter referred to as "contractor") this 1 day of June, 1998. Whereas, Newman is engaged in the development, manufacture and sale of products which involve the development and utilization of information not generally known in the industry or industries in which Newman is or may become engaged; which information may, without limitation, include information to research, development, inventions, manufacture, purchasing, accounting, engineering, marketing, merchandising and selling (hereinafter collectively referred to as "the secret information"); Whereas, in performing its functions for Newman, contractor will necessarily be given access to secret information, which will be identified by Newman as such; Whereas, the use of the secret information by, or its disclosure to, any person or organization other than Newman and Newman's employees or contractors would be highly detrimental and damaging to Newman; and Whereas, the contractor seeks to perform services or provide products or materials to Newman which may be paid for by Newman; Now, therefore, in consideration of the mutual promises, covenants and conditions contained herein, the parties agree as follows: Section 1. Nondisclosure of secret information. a. Nondisclosure. The contractor agrees that neither it nor any of its subsidiaries, divisions, employers, employees, principals, agents, independent contractors or other persons or organizations over which it has control, will at any time during or after its relationship with Newman, directly or indirectly use any secret information for any purposes not associated with Newman's activities or disseminate or disclose any of the secret information to any person or organization not connected with Newman, without the express written consent of Newman. Contractor also agrees that it will undertake all necessary and appropriate steps to ensure that the secrecy of the secret information in its possession will be maintained. b. Return of documents. Upon termination of its relationship with Newman, the contractor agrees that all documents, records, notebooks and similar repositories of or containing secret information, including copies thereof, then in its possession, whether prepared by it or others, will be left with Newman. c. Noncompetition. After termination of its relationship with Newman, contractor agrees that neither it nor any of its subsidiaries, divisions, employers, employees, principals, agents, independent contractors or other persons or organizations over which it has control, will, directly or indirectly, render services to any person or organization in, or about to become engaged in, the research or development, production, marketing or selling of a product, process or service of Newman, without the express written consent of Newman; nor will contractor, its subsidiaries, divisions, employers, employees, principals, agents, independent contractors or other persons or organizations over which it has control, directly or indirectly, become engaged in the research or development, production, marketing or selling of a product, process or service which resembles or competes with a product, process or service of Newman, without the express written consent of Newman. Section 2. Enforcement. In the event that the contractor shall breach this nondisclosure agreement, or in the event that such breach appears to be an imminent possibility, Newman shall be entitled to all legal and equitable remedies afforded it by law as a result thereof, and may, in addition to any and all other forms of relief, recover from contractor all reasonable costs and attorneys' fees encountered by it in seeking any such remedy. Section 3. Binding effect. This agreement shall be governed for all purposes by the laws of the State of Mississippi. If any provision of this agreement is declared void, or otherwise unenforceable, such provision shall be deemed to have been severed from this agreement, which shall otherwise remain in full force and effect. In witness whereof, the parties executed the foregoing agreement on the date first shown above. [SIGNED] Joseph Westley Newman [SIGNED] Joseph Pugliese _______________________________________ TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN We, the undersigned, on this day of June 1, 1998, are being shown and having explained to us a new energy device which has energy output greater than energy input (by use of Magnetic Energy) and which has U.S. and foreign patents pending. We are being shown this in strict confidence and we will not disclose this information to anyone else. We also agree that any improvements or inventions which we may develop from or as a result of the disclosures we have been shown and had explained to us will be the sole property of Joseph Westley Newman. [SIGNED] Norman M. Biss [SIGNED] Joseph Pugliese Date: June 1, 1998 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 01:06:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA09116; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:04:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:04:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3691CB3A.29AC6FB2@freeline.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:20:10 +0100 From: Martin Schmid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: RQM Patent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"quguA2.0.HE2.VMTas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all I see, there's a growing interest in taking a closer look at RQM. I'm not member of them. I used to join RQF (RQM's research center) as 'generally interested mind' and not as researcher. I cannot answer any question. The patent contains no O/U claims. The patent is existing and has been verified roughly. It is all about a device that generates high magnetic impulses - whether useful or not. The theory of all hasn't been written by a 'real' scientist which shall express that it could be misunderstood - and some 'real' scientists show a good talent in making poeple misunderstood. The patent text, accompanying texts and the books can be bought - for a quite high price - by following the instructions on the web site. It might be advisable to ask the poeple at RQM directly instead of digging out unreliable information sources - including myself. One major technical problem is (still?) the unbelievable high energy peaks that blew even the strongest semiconductors. Contacts to semiconductor manufacturers and/or a much better understanding of the processes lead to the latest test results which show a small efficiency of ~800%, or with exclusion of the highest possible errors ~225%. The apparatus is much too complicated to be good for only 1kW output even though it could be a technical quantum leap. Martin -- 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 Oberzeiherstr. 1 CH-5079 Zeihen http://www.usrsoft.ch/4L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 01:29:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA15400; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:29:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:29:02 -0800 Message-ID: <006a01be388d$c2a3a000$0aea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: The Newman Controversy Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:28:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sqz-t2.0.Xm3.UjTas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi folks+ACE- I have witnessed, much as one would witness a car crash, the melee called the Newman Motor controversy. I had sworn to myself that I would not get involved except on such technical levels as might actually result in progress. I told myself that after all, it was only a mailing list, and as an example of free speech, all must have their say... there is always the delete button, and all that. Unfortunately, the problem with the Newman controversy is not its virulence, which though painful is tolerable. The problem is that it shows us an image of ourselves that we would rather not see. You see, we NEED Joseph Newman. He is the archetype of the iconoclastic, irascible inventor that we treasure in our moments of free energy romance. By focussing on him we are allowed to be as hopelessly individualistic as he is, and allowed to uphold the idea that if only someone could get someone else to see the light of day, then our problems would be solved. Most of all we are allowed to not actually have any ideas of our own, but to wait for Joseph Newman, or for that matter Nikola Tesla or Bob Shannon to have our ideas for us, which we can then reject or accept as spectators. Until we can let go of heros and whipping boys we will get nowhere. But the real question here is, ARE we trying to solve problems? Or is this list an esoteric form of entertainment? As entertainment, it is all very entertaining. It often becomes the inventor's equivalent of TV wrestling, with a few big names throwing each other to the mat, and an occasional talented amateur jumping out of the stands to get into the fray. All very exciting and distracting. However, and this is apparently a strange and little understood idea, at least some of us are on this list because we want to see free energy happen, and not because we want to be entertained. I have no suggestions on how to improve the situation. Well, I do, but they won't be followed, so why should I bother? If I thought that there was any chance that they would be followed, this is what I would suggest: 1) Begin to release the very male idea that what we are doing here is an individualistic competition to see who has the biggest brain or the most technical skills. 2) Completely ignore anyone who sees this forum as a place to demonstrate these attributes, rather than the validity of their ideas. Do not reward class bullies, showoffs, or even guys who stand in the back with their hands in their pockets and sneer. Do not reward them with attention, whoever they are. 3) Look for those who think the way you do and start projects with them. Commit time, money and resources to these projects. Support anyone who is doing anything CONCRETE, even if you do not agree with the approach. 4) Avoid well travelled roads like Tesla, Bearden, magnet motors, mechanical perpetual motion, etc. Go to the biggest library you can find and read massively and indiscriminately, but read orthodox theory and practice in particular. Too much attention is paid to a few old, apocryphal inventions and too little to the world of obscure physical effects that can be used for NEW inventions. Well that's enough, I've said my piece. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 03:04:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA26778; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 03:04:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 03:04:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3691D90E.6339E6F3@freeline.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:19:10 +0100 From: Martin Schmid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yDqjy2.0.FY6.47Vas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Schnurer wrote: > Their printed matter looked like it > disclosed nothing..... but that is just an opinion.... Usually when a > legitimate company HAS a patent then the pitch for funds is technically > complete.. and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of > that. I have to remark - not because it is about RQM - that a patent writer ALWAYS tries to write down the least possible amount of knowledge. A patent shall NEVER be a clear guideline to copy an invention. The patent shall serve as reference for the case two parties call for their rights. - The patented part is not shown together with the parts or machinery surrounding it. - Problems, traps and their solutions are not discussed. - The patent writer assumes an extremely high knowledge of the expert at the patent office or of the reader in general. It is quite obvious that a patent seems to hide away all secrets. Regards, Martin -- 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 Oberzeiherstr. 1 CH-5079 Zeihen http://www.usrsoft.ch/4L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 05:41:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA20237; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:41:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:41:24 -0800 Message-ID: <36923233.94C393D6@itn.cl> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:39:31 -0500 From: Felix Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: <3691D90E.6339E6F3@freeline.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hRjsv.0.6y4.4QXas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Martin Schmid schrieb: > and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of > > that. > > I have to remark - not because it is about RQM - that a patent writer > ALWAYS tries to write down the least possible amount of knowledge. A > patent shall NEVER be a clear guideline to copy an invention. The patent > shall serve as reference for the case two parties call for their rights. > >... ... > > It is quite obvious that a patent seems to hide away all secrets. > === So do not patent anything ! === It is just money for the lawyer !!! === And lawers generally don't help you, they just want YOUR MONEY !!! === SO WHY PATENT ? To loose yoor money ! ========================================= From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 05:54:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA25600; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:54:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:54:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:04:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy Resent-Message-ID: <"uPAaf1.0.vF6.IcXas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi folks+ACE- > >I have witnessed, much as one would witness a car crash, the melee >called the Newman Motor controversy. I had sworn to myself that I would >not get involved except on such technical levels as might actually >result in progress. I told myself that after all, it was only a mailing >list, and as an example of free speech, all must have their say... there >is always the delete button, and all that. > >Unfortunately, the problem with the Newman controversy is not its >virulence, which though painful is tolerable. The problem is that it >shows us an image of ourselves that we would rather not see. You see, we >NEED Joseph Newman. He is the archetype of the iconoclastic, irascible >inventor that we treasure in our moments of free energy romance. By >focussing on him we are allowed to be as hopelessly individualistic as >he is, and allowed to uphold the idea that if only someone could get >someone else to see the light of day, then our problems would be solved. > >Most of all we are allowed to not actually have any ideas of our own, >but to wait for Joseph Newman, or for that matter Nikola Tesla or Bob >Shannon to have our ideas for us, which we can then reject or accept as >spectators. Until we can let go of heros and whipping boys we will get >nowhere. > >But the real question here is, ARE we trying to solve problems? Or is >this list an esoteric form of entertainment? > >As entertainment, it is all very entertaining. It often becomes the >inventor's equivalent of TV wrestling, with a few big names throwing >each other to the mat, and an occasional talented amateur jumping out of >the stands to get into the fray. All very exciting and distracting. >However, and this is apparently a strange and little understood idea, at >least some of us are on this list because we want to see free energy >happen, and not because we want to be entertained. > >I have no suggestions on how to improve the situation. Well, I do, but >they won't be followed, so why should I bother? If I thought that there >was any chance that they would be followed, this is what I would >suggest: > >1) Begin to release the very male idea that what we are doing here is >an individualistic competition to see who has the biggest brain or the >most technical skills. >2) Completely ignore anyone who sees this forum as a place to >demonstrate these attributes, rather than the validity of their ideas. >Do not reward class bullies, showoffs, or even guys who stand in the >back with their hands in their pockets and sneer. Do not reward them >with attention, whoever they are. >3) Look for those who think the way you do and start projects with >them. Commit time, money and resources to these projects. Support anyone >who is doing anything CONCRETE, even if you do not agree with the >approach. >4) Avoid well travelled roads like Tesla, Bearden, magnet motors, >mechanical perpetual motion, etc. >Go to the biggest library you can find and read massively and >indiscriminately, but read orthodox theory and practice in particular. >Too much attention is paid to a few old, apocryphal inventions and too >little to the world of obscure physical effects that can be used for NEW >inventions. > >Well that's enough, I've said my piece. > >Fred Dear Fred: You've indeed said your piece. And it is a piece well said! Respectfully, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 06:59:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA17064; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:59:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:59:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: Grain and chaff...Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? In-Reply-To: <3691D90E.6339E6F3@freeline.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mMHNi2.0.XA4.OZYas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, I mixed up some how.... the Grain and Chafff refers to Newman diatribes... on and on ... On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Martin Schmid wrote: > John Schnurer wrote: > > Their printed matter looked like it > > disclosed nothing..... but that is just an opinion.... Usually when a > > legitimate company HAS a patent then the pitch for funds is technically > > complete.. and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of > > that. > > I have to remark - not because it is about RQM - that a patent writer > ALWAYS tries to write down the least possible amount of knowledge. A > patent shall NEVER be a clear guideline to copy an invention. The patent > shall serve as reference for the case two parties call for their rights. > > - The patented part is not shown together with the parts or machinery > surrounding it. > - Problems, traps and their solutions are not discussed. > - The patent writer assumes an extremely high knowledge of the expert at > the patent office or of the reader in general. > > It is quite obvious that a patent seems to hide away all secrets. > > > Regards, Martin > -- > 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 > Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 > Oberzeiherstr. 1 > CH-5079 Zeihen http://www.usrsoft.ch/4L > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 08:10:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA13218; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:10:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:10:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Free Energy Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy In-Reply-To: <006a01be388d$c2a3a000$0aea39cc@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"odp7E.0.ME3.kbZas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Fred and Fre., I read ... I do work. To put everyone in the box displayed by a few is no good either. The lone horse or small group inventors mostly need funding and connection to persons with good business sense. J PS: Hissing matches, in my opinion, do not do anyone any good. J From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 09:40:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA15632; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:40:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:40:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be38d2$50b55020$52fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: IS IT TOO LATE... Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:39:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"aS5hH1.0.9q3.Mwaas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ...FOR THE PERSONALITIES INVOLVED IN THIS SENSELESS YOYO NONCOMMUNICATION TO BACK OFF AND DISCUSS THE SCIENTIFIC ASPECTS IN SOME CONSTRUCTIVE WAY? I AM CONSIDERING TENDERING A BILL FOR STORAGE OF MOST OF THESE MESSAGES IN MY RECYCLE BIN. YOU WANT CAP. IN MFDS AND V ACROSS TERMINALS? IF IT ISN'T FORTHCOMING, STOP ASKING. IF YOU WANT TO DEFEND THIS GUY IN AZ., ASK HIM FOR THE ANSWERS THIS GROUP THINKS ARE IMPORTANT. IF THEY AREN'T FORTHCOMING, DROP THE DISCUSSION. ONCE YOU CUT THROUGH THE PERSONAL EMOTIONS THE ISSUE IS QUITE SIMPLE. CAN WE PLEASE TREAT COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE SAME RESPECT WE PAY TO SCIENCE? IF THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS GROUP. DO, DAMYANA, DATVAYANA...SHANTITH, SHANTITH, SHANTITH. --T. S. Eliot, "The Wasteland" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 10:24:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA32656; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:23:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: <36924753.19A3E381@freeline.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:09:39 +0100 From: Martin Schmid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: <3691D90E.6339E6F3@freeline.ch> <36923233.94C393D6@itn.cl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h7hBR3.0.6-7.qYbas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Felix Meyer wrote: > > === So do not patent anything ! > > === It is just money for the lawyer !!! > > === And lawers generally don't help you, they just want YOUR MONEY !!! > > === SO WHY PATENT ? To loose yoor money ! > > ========================================= Yes, it is questionable. As small inventor, you couldn't withstand a bigger company's lawyer attack anyway. Maybe it's just a kind of signal to a 'bigger one' that it might be cheaper to get on the round table first before sharpening the knifes. A patent gives you a voice and even though another steals it, you'll have some means to keep the honour. But it's true, it's not a protection in any way... -- 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 Oberzeiherstr. 1 CH-5079 Zeihen http://www.usrsoft.ch/4L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 11:09:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA23491; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:08:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:08:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3692647B.64FA@lcia.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:14:03 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u2LN82.0.yk5.uCcas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Schnurer wrote: > > Dear Fre., > > It would be grand if anyone could grab the patent .. Is it Sweden? > And maybe ask Stefan Hartman or Jean Naudin ot Jerry Decker or all three! > To post it for us all to see. Their printed matter looked like it > disclosed nothing..... but that is just an opinion.... Usually when a > legitimate company HAS a patent then the pitch for funds is technically > complete.. and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of > that. > Thanks, > > J > > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:34 -0600 (CST), Christopher Loenthal wrote: > > > > > > > >found this link off of the RQM site... looks interesting. > > > > > >http://www.cleanenergy.com > > > > > > > > >Chris L. > > As far as I am aware, CETI are themselves having difficulties > > replicating their own devices. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Robin van Spaandonk > > > > I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 11:18:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA28649; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:18:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:18:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19990105192011.8719.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: fepps@halcyon.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"t7uo13.0.U_6.OMcas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred et al! ---Fred Epps wrote: > Most of all we are allowed to not actually have any ideas of our own, > but to wait for Joseph Newman, or for that matter Nikola Tesla or Bob > Shannon to have our ideas for us, which we can then reject or accept as > spectators. Until we can let go of heros and whipping boys we will get > nowhere. > Biggest slam against Tesla I've ever seen. Fred, shame on you.... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 11:45:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA07307; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:45:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:45:08 -0800 Message-ID: <36926D0A.31A4@lcia.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:50:34 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: <3691D90E.6339E6F3@freeline.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_aTty1.0.4o1.3lcas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Martin Schmid wrote: > > John Schnurer wrote: > > Their printed matter looked like it > > disclosed nothing..... but that is just an opinion.... Usually when a > > legitimate company HAS a patent then the pitch for funds is technically > > complete.. and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of > > that. > > I have to remark - not because it is about RQM - that a patent writer > ALWAYS tries to write down the least possible amount of knowledge. A > patent shall NEVER be a clear guideline to copy an invention. The patent > shall serve as reference for the case two parties call for their rights. > > - The patented part is not shown together with the parts or machinery > surrounding it. > - Problems, traps and their solutions are not discussed. > - The patent writer assumes an extremely high knowledge of the expert at > the patent office or of the reader in general. > > It is quite obvious that a patent seems to hide away all secrets. > A patent has to disclose enough info for a person versed in the art to be able to duplicate. Otherwise it is void. Ron Brennen > Regards, Martin > -- > 4L GmbH Tel: +41 62 867 4000 > Martin Schmid Fax: +41 62 876 3111 > Oberzeiherstr. 1 > CH-5079 Zeihen http://www.usrsoft.ch/4L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 11:56:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA13357; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:55:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:55:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: RON BRENNEN cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? In-Reply-To: <3692647B.64FA@lcia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HMDYR3.0.YG3.9vcas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Ron, Thanks for doing our leg work! JHS On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, RON BRENNEN wrote: > John Schnurer wrote: > > > > Dear Fre., > > > > It would be grand if anyone could grab the patent .. Is it Sweden? > > And maybe ask Stefan Hartman or Jean Naudin ot Jerry Decker or all three! > > To post it for us all to see. Their printed matter looked like it > > disclosed nothing..... but that is just an opinion.... Usually when a > > legitimate company HAS a patent then the pitch for funds is technically > > complete.. and lucid and convincing..... I did not see any aspect of > > that. > > Thanks, > > > > J > > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:34 -0600 (CST), Christopher Loenthal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >found this link off of the RQM site... looks interesting. > > > > > > > >http://www.cleanenergy.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Chris L. > > > As far as I am aware, CETI are themselves having difficulties > > > replicating their own devices. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Robin van Spaandonk > > > > > > > I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. > It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. > Ron Brennen > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 12:20:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA23176; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:19:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:19:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000201be38e8$b2bc3700$10ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Cc: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:18:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jb4Dc1.0.yf5.iFdas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John, > > I read ... I do work. To put everyone in the box displayed by a >few is no good either. Yes, I realized after I wrote that post that the "we" was too general. > The lone horse or small group inventors mostly need funding and >connection to persons with good business sense. True. Nothing gets done without money. However, you can do new experiments with new results with a few nails and a battery too. > > > PS: Hissing matches, in my opinion, do not do anyone any good. Agreed. They are discouraging in more ways than one. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 12:26:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25435; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:26:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:26:36 -0800 Message-ID: <36927623.99EDBDA1@ghiocel.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:29:24 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l Subject: rqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9W45k2.0.KD6.yLdas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: RQM patented their equipment and setup and the control. Since obviously they cannot patent an overunity machine, they did their best to have their machine protected by a patent. Probably this was a better path rather than litigate with the patent office for years. It is obvious from visiting their site that they are very interested in getting the money in, therefore there is no incentive for them to improve their measurement setup just to prove their claims are wrong. The problem is that the fast changing intense electromagnetic fields are very difficult to control and to measure with the available equipment, therefore they can claim anything they want without solid proofs. The use of DVM's, scopes, and battery charging as proofs and measurement devices shows obviously that the owners of these machines either do not understand or choose to ignore the issues regarding the use of the DVM's and the scope for measurements. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 12:36:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA30987; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:36:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:36:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l Subject: Re: rqm In-Reply-To: <36927623.99EDBDA1@ghiocel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_lqsQ2.0.4a7.zUdas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: See notes: On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Dan Ghiocel wrote: > RQM patented their equipment and setup and the control. > Since obviously they cannot patent an overunity machine, > Te USPTO has no problem with OU.... they only require working reduction to practice be demonstrated. they did their best to have their machine protected by a patent. > Probably this was a better path rather than litigate with the patent > office for years. It is obvious from visiting their site that they are > very interested in getting the money in, therefore there is no incentive > for them to improve their measurement setup just to prove their claims > are wrong. > The problem is that the fast changing intense electromagnetic fields > are very difficult to control Such fields and their control is mature, witness the rail gun technology. and to measure with the available > equipment, therefore they can claim anything they want without solid > proofs. The key here is 'available equipment'. It is straightforward to measure such fields... but it requires skill. > The use of DVM's, scopes, and battery charging as proofs and > measurement devices shows obviously that the owners of these machines > either do not understand or choose to ignore the issues regarding the > use of the DVM's and the scope for measurements. > Amen. > Dan > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 13:08:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA14396; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:08:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:08:21 -0800 Message-ID: <36927FE9.6836B60A@ghiocel.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:11:05 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: rqm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lFrKw2.0.iW3.4zdas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John, Thank you for your comments. John Schnurer wrote: > > See notes: > > On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Dan Ghiocel wrote: > > > RQM patented their equipment and setup and the control. > > Since obviously they cannot patent an overunity machine, > > > Te USPTO has no problem with OU.... they only require working > reduction to practice be demonstrated. What I mean is that the burden of proof is different for an overunity machine, compared with an ordinary patent. > Such fields and their control is mature, witness the rail gun > technology. > What I mean is that looking at their system of 5 coils interacting wich each other and activated with short pulses in close loop setup, I expect them to have tremendous problems in controlling and measuring what is going on inside. As a matter of fact, they also admitted blowing up the system, and having difficulties running higher power levels. Obviously, I do not know what sensors do they use and how do they protect the control equipment from all the noise and interference from the coils, but I do not consider this a trivial issue. Regards, Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 15:41:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15715; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:41:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:41:25 -0800 Message-ID: <007201be3902$1eeb2f80$10ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Jerry Wayne Decker" , Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:24:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aCu-41.0.Rr3.aCgas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >> Most of all we are allowed to not actually have any ideas of our own, >> but to wait for Joseph Newman, or for that matter Nikola Tesla or Bob >> Shannon to have our ideas for us, which we can then reject or accept >as >> spectators. Until we can let go of heros and whipping boys we will get >> nowhere. >> > >Biggest slam against Tesla I've ever seen. Fred, shame on you.... Hey, Jerry, I like Tesla a lot, but not the "hero" Tesla who did everything and knew everything, but the real Tesla, a MAN who discovered some great things but had some big failings. I think you get my point. Would you feel better if I used Keely as my example? :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 16:31:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA06679; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:31:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:31:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3692D5A0.1A97@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:16:48 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_q1zo2.0.Ge1.Fxgas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > Dear Bob, > > Thanks for your comments. > > You are welcome to you incorrect opinion that "I and Mr. Newman have no > intention of respecting this forum and its policies. This is both rude and > impolite to the membership of this list..." Please show me my error Evan. > Respectfully, this opinion of yours is balderdash. And you are welcome to > find anything "par for any course" Of course, so am I. Can you expand on this? So far, both you and Mr. Newman appear to totally disrespect the many requects for very basic information. If the intent in the Newman camp were to 'spread the word', why not spread the whole truth? > As a matter of fact, I DO receive private correspondence from list members > who do find the material posted very informative. Of course, such > individuals seem to have already taken the time to read Joseph Newman's > book and have endeavored to master an understanding of his technology as he > describes it in his fundamental book --- something which you have not done. Ahh, here you are in error Mr. Soule! I have taken no small ammount of time to investgate, and actually test Mr. Newman's claims. I have demonstrated far more objectivity than Mr. Newman had demonstrated responsiviness to very reasonable questions. > And, of course, this is your choice. No sir, it is only by your misperception, and apparent failings of recolection! Again I must remind you that I did actual testing Evan. I took the time to check and see what the truth was. I took the time to call Joe Newman in an effort to resolve my confusion. We discussed this at some lenght. > Operationally-speaking, you have "shut yourself down". I respect those who > have read Joseph Newman's book and demonstrate a fundamental understanding > of the revolutionary significance of what he has accomplished relative to > providing -- for the first time in the history of our species ... If those who read, and choose to beleive rather than bothering to take the time to actually test for what is true think I'm toast, thats fine with me. The people I respect don't beleive what I say, they accept emperical evidence, and then decide what to beleive all on their own. > While I may or may not respect YOU, I would certainly agree (and defend) > your right to your OWN opinion and viewpoint (however correct/incorrect). Well, it seems I may have lost some ground in your eyes Evan. From our private emails from shortly after the last Newman flap I had thought we shared a degree of mutual respect. If scientific facts were established by public opinion, I might have reason for concern. But scientific facts are not subject to the whims of public opinion. Now if only Joe Newman's genius were large enough to accept this simple fact we might get somewhere. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 16:59:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17248; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:59:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:59:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3692B577.1E362ED2@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:59:35 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy References: <19990105192011.8719.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xehlZ2.0.OD4.cLhas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Wow! Jerry DEFENDING?!?!? Tesla ;) Jerry Wayne Decker wrote: > Hi Fred et al! > > ---Fred Epps wrote: > > > Most of all we are allowed to not actually have any ideas of our own, > > but to wait for Joseph Newman, or for that matter Nikola Tesla or Bob > > Shannon to have our ideas for us, which we can then reject or accept > as > > spectators. Until we can let go of heros and whipping boys we will get > > nowhere. > > > > Biggest slam against Tesla I've ever seen. Fred, shame on you.... > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 18:11:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA17072; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:10:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:10:48 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990105211835.00ca5780@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:18:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PlItW1.0.aA4.eOias"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi. Well, I'm looking at it (the patent) now. 5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high permeability dielectric between each coil. The whole thing is driven by a controller; which seeks to avoid destructive parametric resonance within the structure. Appparently, under certain oscillatory regimes the device produces additional energy. The patent of course does not address this; does this surprise you? :^) I do beg to differ with Ron. The patent described the device in a reasonable fashion, although in the run of things I have certainly seen chattier patents. One thing was referred to several times, that being the "Matrijoschka" principle? I am ignorant of this, perhaps one of you are familiar with this term? I believe it refers to the nesting arrangement of the coils; but there must be more. On first blush I am reminded of the MRA, in that the ferromagnetic material is being excited to mechanical oscillation. But the patent is not for a "free energy" machine, so my apologies to you folks who don't like the mundane.... K. At 02:47 PM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote: > > > Dear Ron, > > Thanks for doing our leg work! > > JHS > >> > > >> > > >> I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. >> It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. >> Ron Brennen >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 18:15:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA20011; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:15:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:15:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990105212338.00cb0100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:23:41 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iHb1f.0.au4.OTias"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:18 PM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all >concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material >surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high >permeability dielectric between each coil. The whole thing Oops, I meant permittivity. Sorry. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 18:27:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA24992; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:27:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:27:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:37:40 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sqqn9.0.L66.Oeias"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule wrote: > > > >> Dear Bob, >> >> Thanks for your comments. >> >> You are welcome to you incorrect opinion that "I and Mr. Newman have no >> intention of respecting this forum and its policies. This is both rude and >> impolite to the membership of this list..." > >Please show me my error Evan. I have presented statements from Joseph Newman and transferred information about his technology. If one is interested in learning more about the technology, they are welcome, for instance, to visit their local library and/or the interlibrary loan system and read his book for themselves. In so doing the above I have not initiated any attack, ridicule, or sarcasm at anyone. This is in keeping with the forum and its policies. > >> Respectfully, this opinion of yours is balderdash. And you are welcome to >> find anything "par for any course" Of course, so am I. > >Can you expand on this? So far, both you and Mr. Newman appear to >totally >disrespect the many requects for very basic information. If the intent >in the >Newman camp were to 'spread the word', why not spread the whole truth? I have been known to spend HOURS of time interacting with individuals 1-on-1 on a personal basis via email ---- individuals whom I respect and who not have an intellectually-dishonest attitude. The "very basic information" is available in Joseph Newman's fundamental book. Those who are curious and intellectually-honest will read it for themselves. Those who are not, won't. > > > >> As a matter of fact, I DO receive private correspondence from list members >> who do find the material posted very informative. Of course, such >> individuals seem to have already taken the time to read Joseph Newman's >> book and have endeavored to master an understanding of his technology as he >> describes it in his fundamental book --- something which you have not done. > >Ahh, here you are in error Mr. Soule! > >I have taken no small ammount of time to investgate, and actually test >Mr. Newman's claims. I have demonstrated far more objectivity than Mr. >Newman had demonstrated responsiviness to very reasonable questions. Well, first of all, you have demonstrated that you do not understand the concept of "objectivity" vis-a-vis the acquisition of knowledge. But that is quite another topic. Since you understand Joseph Newman's technology, Bob, then I am interested in _your_ single, fundamental, mechanical explanation for the following phenomena: 1) Why magnets attract and repel? 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? > >> And, of course, this is your choice. > >No sir, it is only by your misperception, and apparent failings of >recolection! No sir, this is your choice. > >Again I must remind you that I did actual testing Evan. I took the time >to check and see what the truth was. I took the time to call Joe Newman >in an effort to resolve my confusion. > >We discussed this at some lenght. > >> Operationally-speaking, you have "shut yourself down". I respect those who >> have read Joseph Newman's book and demonstrate a fundamental understanding >> of the revolutionary significance of what he has accomplished relative to >> providing -- for the first time in the history of our species ... > > > >If those who read, and choose to beleive rather than bothering to take >the time >to actually test for what is true think I'm toast, thats fine with me. > >The people I respect don't beleive what I say, they accept emperical >evidence, and then decide what to beleive all on their own. > >> While I may or may not respect YOU, I would certainly agree (and defend) >> your right to your OWN opinion and viewpoint (however correct/incorrect). > >Well, it seems I may have lost some ground in your eyes Evan. From our >private emails from shortly after the last Newman flap I had thought we >shared a degree of mutual respect. > >If scientific facts were established by public opinion, I might have >reason for concern. > >But scientific facts are not subject to the whims of public opinion. >Now if only Joe Newman's genius were large enough to accept this simple >fact we might get somewhere. Quite frankly, Bob, in your case you are welcome to draw any conclusion you wish. And no, I do not have respect for you at this point. I will also state the following to you: Joseph Newman has stated: "The comments which I have seen from yourself try to obscure the Facts of the truth of my technology which I have already provided in my fundamental book. That is why I have publicly made an Open Challenge to you, Bob Shannon - to FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL! And if you think that you know more than me about the basics of electromagnetism, Bob Shannon, then I challenge you to match my money ($10,000) and DEBATE ME! "Specifically: "I will put up $10,000 and I challenge you to put up $10,000 and then publicly debate me on the fundamentals of electromagnetism before the public in Phoenix, Arizona. I will advertise the event in the local media and you are welcome to do the same. The openly-invited public who attend the event will decide (by majority vote) whether Joseph Newman or Bob Shannon is more knowledgeable about the fundamentals of electromagnetism. "If you believe that you know more about electromagnetism than I, then this is your opportunity to PROVE IT -- once and for all -- and to back up your words with $10,000." Joseph Westley Newman __________________________________________ 12 human beings (members of the general public) routinely evalute the presentations of two opposing sides and routinely arrive at decisions often based on VERY complex issues. Moreover, their decision can carry a weight even greater than deciding a given "issue": such people determine the life or death of another human being. Joseph Newman does believe that average human beings are capable of making such determinations. Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 18:33:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA28336; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:33:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:33:18 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 02:22:34 -0000 From: "Irving Z. Gribbish" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Kirlian Camera: Off-Topic (3 Nov '98_ X-Sender-Ip: 131.170.208.66 Organization: Deja News Mail (http://www.my-dejanews.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6epUu2.0.fw6.jjias"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'd like to follow up Chris Loental's post on Kirlian Camera devices if there's a way to correspond outside this list. (It's an off-topic subject,after all.) --- All the best, Irving Gribbish igribbish@my-dejanews.com "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 18:47:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA02321; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:47:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:47:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01be391e$eb4c4980$7c65d6d1@charles> From: "Charles Cronn" To: Subject: Not the numan machine again... Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:47:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE38EC.97764360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"A2yuy3.0.Aa.zwias"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE38EC.97764360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is my first post so pardon my lack etiquette, but, for the love of = God, and for the sake of my own sanity, enough about the newman machine = already!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE38EC.97764360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is my first post so pardon my lack etiquette, = but, for=20 the love of God, and for the sake of my own sanity, enough about the = newman=20 machine already!!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE38EC.97764360-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 18:54:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06081; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:54:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:54:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199901060244.NAA04690@turbo.turboweb.net.au> X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 1.1 for Newton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:24:00 +1100 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" From: Allan Alderson Subject: Hi Evan. I don't know that: "Joseph Newman HAS de Resent-Message-ID: <"JaF15.0.wU1.e1jas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan. I don't know that: "Joseph Newman HAS demonstrated the operability of his technology (as witnessed and 'Affidavitized' by more than 30 scientists and engineers)", but assuming it is so, what would you like me personally to do about it? :-/ Regards, Allan. ---- ---- ---- ---- http://www.mpx.com.au/~adsaa ---- ---- ---- ---- Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:06:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA11931; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:06:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:06:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3692D3E7.1B07E56@ghiocel.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:09:28 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: <3.0.32.19990105211835.00ca5780@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bPZMj3.0.Gw2.2Djas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > One thing was referred to several times, that being > the "Matrijoschka" principle? I am ignorant of this, > perhaps one of you are familiar with this term? > I believe it refers to the nesting arrangement of > the coils; but there must be more. > I believe it refers to the popular Russian round doles! It starts with a big one, you lift it and uncover another one looking the same but smaller. Lift this one and another one smaller is inside. It keeps going like this. The largest I saw was about 2 feet tall for the largest one, with the smallest one approx 3 inches. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:07:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA12158; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:07:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:07:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3692D4B7.6AB0@lcia.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:12:55 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? References: <3.0.32.19990105211835.00ca5780@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FaZ3o1.0.tz2.fDjas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > > Hi. > > Well, I'm looking at it (the patent) now. > > 5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all > concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material > surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high > permeability dielectric between each coil. The whole thing > is driven by a controller; which seeks to avoid destructive > parametric resonance within the structure. > > Appparently, under certain oscillatory regimes the device produces > additional energy. The patent of course does not address > this; does this surprise you? :^) > > I do beg to differ with Ron. The patent described the > device in a reasonable fashion, although in the run of > things I have certainly seen chattier patents. > > One thing was referred to several times, that being > the "Matrijoschka" principle? I am ignorant of this, > perhaps one of you are familiar with this term? > I believe it refers to the nesting arrangement of > the coils; but there must be more. > > On first blush I am reminded of the MRA, in that > the ferromagnetic material is being excited to mechanical > oscillation. But the patent is not for a "free energy" > machine, so my apologies to you folks who don't like the > mundane.... > > K. > Keith, Do you think you could duplicate the mackine with the info in the patent? Regards, Ron > At 02:47 PM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ron, > > > > Thanks for doing our leg work! > > > > JHS > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. > >> It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. > >> Ron Brennen > >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:09:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13613; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:09:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:09:27 -0800 Message-ID: <001101be3921$fe83b120$7c65d6d1@charles> From: "Charles Cronn" To: Subject: RQM..Link from site... Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:09:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38EF.9F49B6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"RcCcT2.0.cK3.dFjas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38EF.9F49B6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out this page that has a link to the RQM site...Hmmm, what do ya = think? http://www.ieent.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38EF.9F49B6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check out this page that has a link to the RQM = site...Hmmm,=20 what do ya think?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38EF.9F49B6A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:14:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA18209; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:14:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:14:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199901060314.VAA07712@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Not the numan machine again... Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:54:04 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bqKtj.0.QS4.wJjas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: AMEN TO THAT !!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------Joe Portman ---------- From: Charles Cronn To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Not the numan machine again... Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:47 PM This is my first post so pardon my lack etiquette, but, for the love of God, and for the sake of my own sanity, enough about the newman machine already!!!!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:14:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA18258; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:14:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:14:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199901060314.VAA07722@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Kirlian Camera: Off-Topic (3 Nov '98_ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:56:55 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4K5B03.0.xS4.zJjas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "My hindsight is perfect" .......... Joe Portman ================== ========== ---------- > From: Irving Z. Gribbish > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Kirlian Camera: Off-Topic (3 Nov '98_ > Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:22 PM > > igribbish@my-dejanews.com > > "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish > > > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:25:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24291; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:25:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:25:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990105223321.00cb08f0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:33:23 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Qzp223.0.Sx5.cUjas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:09 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >I believe it refers to the popular Russian round doles! >It starts with a big one, you lift it and uncover another one >looking the same but smaller. Lift this one and another one >smaller is inside. It keeps going like this. >The largest I saw was about 2 feet tall for the >largest one, with the smallest one approx 3 inches. > >Dan > Well damn, two of my employees are Russian. I'll have to ask them tomorrow and report back. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:31:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA26877; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:31:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:31:33 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 03:20:08 -0000 From: "Irving Z. Gribbish" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Kirlian Camera: Off-Topic (3 Nov '98_ X-Sender-Ip: 131.170.208.66 Organization: Deja News Mail (http://www.my-dejanews.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wbuFn.0.oZ6.Lajas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It's my foresight that needs work. (I knew I'd say that.) --- All the best, Irving Gribbish igribbish@my-dejanews.com "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:56:55 Joe Portman Sr. wrote: >"My hindsight is perfect" .......... Joe Portman >================== ========== > >---------- >> From: Irving Z. Gribbish >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: Kirlian Camera: Off-Topic (3 Nov '98_ >> Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:22 PM >> >> igribbish@my-dejanews.com >> >> "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish >> >> >> >> -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- >> http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums >> > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 19:53:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03107; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:53:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:53:34 -0800 Message-ID: <36930514.496F@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:39:16 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Newman Controversy References: <19990105192011.8719.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> <3692B577.1E362ED2@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rYXRw.0.Im.-ujas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > > Wow! Jerry DEFENDING?!?!? Tesla ;) Relative to me, sure! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 20:07:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA08323; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:07:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:07:22 -0800 Message-ID: <36930850.65A0@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:53:04 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mFbuF1.0.y12.w5kas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > >Please show me my error Evan. > > I have presented statements from Joseph Newman and transferred information > about his technology. If one is interested in learning more about the > technology, they are welcome, for instance, to visit their local library > and/or the interlibrary loan system and read his book for themselves. In > so doing the above I have not initiated any attack, ridicule, or sarcasm at > anyone. This is in keeping with the forum and its policies. I disagree. Are Keiths capacitor values in the book? Simply directing us to the book might make you appear rather redundant. > I have been known to spend HOURS of time interacting with individuals > 1-on-1 on a personal basis via email ---- individuals whom I respect and > who not have an intellectually-dishonest attitude. The "very basic > information" is available in Joseph Newman's fundamental book. Those who > are curious and intellectually-honest will read it for themselves. Those > who are not, won't. Again, are the capactior values in the book? How do you infer that I am intellectually dishonest when I actually made tests? Did I willfully deceive myself and produce incorrect data? > Well, first of all, you have demonstrated that you do not understand the > concept of "objectivity" vis-a-vis the acquisition of knowledge. But that > is quite another topic. Right now, its the topic. How was I less than objective in my testing? Specifically speaking of course. > Since you understand Joseph Newman's technology, > Bob, then I am interested in _your_ single, fundamental, mechanical > explanation for the following phenomena: Simply. These are not 'mechanical' phenomena. EM effects are far smaler than 'physical' reality. (We can measure this you know?) > Quite frankly, Bob, in your case you are welcome to draw any conclusion you > wish. And no, I do not have respect for you at this point. Then this will be quite easy! > I will also state the following to you: > > Joseph Newman has stated: > > "The comments which I have seen from yourself try to obscure the Facts of > the truth of my technology which I have already provided in my fundamental > book. That is why I have publicly made an Open Challenge to you, Bob > Shannon - to FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL! And if you think that you know > more than me about the basics of electromagnetism, Bob Shannon, then I > challenge you to match my money ($10,000) and DEBATE ME! > > "Specifically: > > "I will put up $10,000 and I challenge you to put up $10,000 and then > publicly debate me on the fundamentals of electromagnetism before the > public in Phoenix, Arizona. I will advertise the event in the local media > and you are welcome to do the same. The openly-invited public who attend > the event will decide (by majority vote) whether Joseph Newman or Bob > Shannon is more knowledgeable about the fundamentals of electromagnetism. > > "If you believe that you know more about electromagnetism than I, then this > is your opportunity to PROVE IT -- once and for all -- and to back up your > words with $10,000." > > Joseph Westley Newman Right here Joe, lets go, here and now. It'll be over by Thursday. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 21:49:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA14973; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:48:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:48:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:40:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Attn: Irving Z. GribbishRe: Kirlian Camera: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3r4hx2.0.pf3.3blas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tell us about the camera, please... :) On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Irving Z. Gribbish wrote: > > It's my foresight that needs work. (I knew I'd say that.) > > --- > All the best, > Irving Gribbish > > igribbish@my-dejanews.com > > "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish > > > On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:56:55 Joe Portman Sr. wrote: > >"My hindsight is perfect" .......... Joe Portman > >================== ========== > > > >---------- > >> From: Irving Z. Gribbish > >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Subject: Re: Kirlian Camera: Off-Topic (3 Nov '98_ > >> Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:22 PM > >> > >> igribbish@my-dejanews.com > >> > >> "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish > >> > >> > >> > >> -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- > >> http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums > >> > > > > > > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 21:59:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02358; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:49:45 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Re: Fast, Sensitive Pyroelectric Infrared Detectors (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"j7PiS1.0.ea.xjlas"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Vo., Such detectors come in various ways. At about 10 bucks, mail order, you can get the 'standard' Niobium Tantalate pyro. The kings, in my opinion, for broad band.... RF to UV are bolometers ...At 28 to 55 for the detector itself, it is a real buy. Poled and stressed Kynar based detectors, made by yourself with 4" by 4" area, blackened suitably, can fairly easily 'see' the IR from a mosquito at 5 feet. The next level is-are cooled detectors... liquid nitrogen is standard. Broad band from stars can be seen... The 45 dollar unit cited in the original post uses the 1 dollar LiTa type detectot and is has, typically, a 200 milisecond rise time, at the most rapid. J From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 5 21:59:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02598; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:50:09 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Pyroelectric Sensor Package (http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R3-PYRO1.ht (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38F3.C2565A00" Content-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <"RuEGz1.0.Ue.Oklas"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38F3.C2565A00 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Original post. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:38:39 -0700 From: Frederick J Sparber To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Pyroelectric Sensor Package (http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R3-PYRO1.ht Pyroelectric Sensor Package This sensor package allows you to detect movement of humans and pets. It can also be used for finding candles and other sources of heat. The package is simple, efficient and entirely self contained including an op-amp to condition the output. Interfaci ng the sensor is simple with only one analog output to sample with a micro. The sensitivity of this sensor is tuned to the human body's infra-red emissivity. This part is discussed in depth in the book "Mobile Robots: Inspiration to Implementation". Th is package is also the easiest enhancement to the Rug Warrior robot kits. Rug Warrior with Pyroelectric sensor installed in expansion socket on Rug Warrior board The package includes an Eltec 442-3 detector, fresnel lens that is matched to the detector, application notes, instructions on building a concentrating cone to focus a wide area of detection, and a pattern for building the cone. Fresnel lens and cone from pattern Thanks to Eltec for providing a great product and helping with the application notes! Price: $45.00 each Part Number: R3-PYRO1 Ordering Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38F3.C2565A00 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Pyroelectric Sensor = Package
 

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This=20 sensor package allows you to detect movement of humans and pets.  = It can=20 also be used for finding candles and other sources of heat.  The = package is=20 simple, efficient and entirely self contained including an op-amp to = condition=20 the output.  Interfacing the sensor is simple with only one analog = output=20 to sample with a micro.  The sensitivity of this sensor is tuned to = the=20 human body's infra-red emissivity.  This part is discussed in depth = in the=20 book "Mobile Robots: Inspiration to Implementation".  = This=20 package is also the easiest enhancement to the Rug Warrior robot kits.=20
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  ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE38F3.C2565A00-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 01:36:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA20512; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:36:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:36:23 -0800 Message-ID: <006f01be3957$a633c060$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: Newman Cap Questions Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:33:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mODUN3.0.P05.Mwoas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All I know that I'm a little behind with responses at the moment. Many of you are probably glad that this thread is wearing thin now. Anyway, I find it difficult to believe that a capacitor would have an exact voltage rating such as 7620V. I'd be inclined to believe it's a batch number or similar (coming from the Auto-ID industry). I would be interested in Joe's explanation of 'wavicle' interference if anyone knows this. Evan, get CBN to contact me and I'm sure I can put them in contact with someone who would challenge Joe. Who would judge such a challenge? Best regards David Callaghan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 02:38:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA05111; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:37:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:37:54 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:48:01 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Hi Evan. I don't know that: "Joseph Newman HAS de Resent-Message-ID: <"dhc8j2.0.mF1.2qpas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Evan. >I don't know that: >"Joseph Newman HAS demonstrated the operability of his technology (as >witnessed and 'Affidavitized' by more than 30 scientists and engineers)", >but assuming it is so, what would you like me personally to do about it? >:-/ > >Regards, >Allan. > >---- ---- ---- ---- >http://www.mpx.com.au/~adsaa >---- ---- ---- ---- >Dogs have masters; >Cats have staff. Dear Allan, That's up to you. If you are interested in a technology that produces greater external energy output than external energy input, then you may wish to study it further for yourself. You may wish to build your own prototype and experiment with it. Best Regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 02:38:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA05253; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:38:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:38:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:48:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"tXdbI3.0.wH1.Yqpas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule wrote: > > > >> >Please show me my error Evan. >> >> I have presented statements from Joseph Newman and transferred information >> about his technology. If one is interested in learning more about the >> technology, they are welcome, for instance, to visit their local library >> and/or the interlibrary loan system and read his book for themselves. In >> so doing the above I have not initiated any attack, ridicule, or sarcasm at >> anyone. This is in keeping with the forum and its policies. > >I disagree. Are Keiths capacitor values in the book? You are welcome to your "disagreement" -- with which I disagree. The recent tests relating to the "capacitor values" have been conducted after the 8th Edition was published. And there is a discussion of capacitors in the most recent Edition. > >Simply directing us to the book might make you appear rather redundant. Won't be the first time! :-) Redundant questions can be supplied with redundant directions. > > > >> I have been known to spend HOURS of time interacting with individuals >> 1-on-1 on a personal basis via email ---- individuals whom I respect and >> who not have an intellectually-dishonest attitude. The "very basic >> information" is available in Joseph Newman's fundamental book. Those who >> are curious and intellectually-honest will read it for themselves. Those >> who are not, won't. > >Again, are the capactior values in the book? Again, read my comments above. > >How do you infer that I am intellectually dishonest when I actually made >tests? > >Did I willfully deceive myself and produce incorrect data? What you did inside your own mind is your "property" Bob. I will repeat what I stated above: Those who are curious and intellectually-honst will read Joseph Newman's book for themselves. Those who are not, won't. If the shoe fits, please feel free to wear it, Bob. > > > >> Well, first of all, you have demonstrated that you do not understand the >> concept of "objectivity" vis-a-vis the acquisition of knowledge. But that >> is quite another topic. > >Right now, its the topic. How was I less than objective in my testing? Not really, Bob --- since you apparently do not understand my point regarding "objectivity." ALL knowledge is subjective. There is no such thing as "objective" knowledge. I refer you to the writings of Arthur Eddington on this subject. > >Specifically speaking of course. No, Bob. Absolutely subjectively speaking, of course. > >> Since you understand Joseph Newman's technology, >> Bob, then I am interested in _your_ single, fundamental, mechanical >> explanation for the following phenomena: > >Simply. > >These are not 'mechanical' phenomena. EM effects are far smaler than >'physical' reality. (We can measure this you know?) > >> Quite frankly, Bob, in your case you are welcome to draw any conclusion you >> wish. And no, I do not have respect for you at this point. > >Then this will be quite easy! Considering you comment above, it obviously would be "easy" for you. Rightness is another question, however. And YES they are fundamentally "mechanical" phenomena and occur as a result of the mechanical interactions (electro)magnetic energies. All energy is the same as mechanical energy and the energy in electromagnetic phenomena IS mechanical energy. Since you understand Joseph Newman's technology, Bob, then I am interested in _your_ single, fundamental, mechanical explanation for the following phenomena: 1) Why magnets attract and repel? 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I will also state the following to you: Joseph Newman has stated: "The comments which I have seen from yourself try to obscure the Facts of the truth of my technology which I have already provided in my fundamental book. That is why I have publicly made an Open Challenge to you, Bob Shannon - to FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL! And if you think that you know more than me about the basics of electromagnetism, Bob Shannon, then I challenge you to match my money ($10,000) and DEBATE ME! "Specifically: "I will put up $10,000 and I challenge you to put up $10,000 and then publicly debate me on the fundamentals of electromagnetism before the public in Phoenix, Arizona. I will advertise the event in the local media and you are welcome to do the same. The openly-invited public who attend the event will decide (by majority vote) whether Joseph Newman or Bob Shannon is more knowledgeable about the fundamentals of electromagnetism. "If you believe that you know more about electromagnetism than I, then this is your opportunity to PROVE IT -- once and for all -- and to back up your words with $10,000." Joseph Westley Newman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 07:07:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA01306; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:07:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:07:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:07:12 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UbAvj3.0.JK.amtas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Evan Soule wrote: > > 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed > approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor > at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? > > 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE > direction at a speed approaching that of light? > Actually, the speed of the CURRENT is nowhere near the speed of light in a conductor. All conductors have a drift velocity and a relaxation time. Common conductors used in electrical work (copper, silver, steel, etc.) have a very fast drift velocity but it isn't the speed of light. Other materials (semiconductors, etc.) have a much slower drift velocity and can be several orders of magnitude slower than the common conductors. This is covered in PHYSICS FOR SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS, WITH MODERN PHYSICS by Raymond A. Serway. A potential difference or an electric field DOES propagate down or near a wire at the speed of light, however. Here's my question for Mr. Newman: Why is the speed of light in vacuum 3X10E8 m/s? Why not 10X10E9 or 7.2X10E6? What factors in our universe set this constant? Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 07:29:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA11664; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:28:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3693A7FC.26D4@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:14:20 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FpXjt2.0.4s2.u4uas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > You are welcome to your "disagreement" -- with which I disagree. The > recent tests relating to the "capacitor values" have been conducted after > the 8th Edition was published. And there is a discussion of capacitors in > the most recent Edition. They why reply to questions on the capacitors value by refering to the book? That seems rather evasive. > >Again, are the capactior values in the book? > > Again, read my comments above. Translation: No. Ok, so the book is not an answer to Keith's questions. > >Did I willfully deceive myself and produce incorrect data? > > What you did inside your own mind is your "property" Bob. I will repeat > what I stated above: Those who are curious and intellectually-honst will > read Joseph Newman's book for themselves. Those who are not, won't. If > the shoe fits, please feel free to wear it, Bob. Evan, here is a case where I actually made specific tests, and shared my results with the list, years ago. Thats the intended spirit of this forum, and its very clearly spelled out in writing. You have suggested that my have not been objective, nor 'intellectually honest' in my testing, but you appear to be totally unable to back this claim up. I've given my test data, you can try to discrdit my objectivity, but you cannot touch the emperical facts, so you you can do it try to evade and obfuscate. This is not a Joe Newman issue, this is a matter of your conduct, and lack of intellectual honesty. > >Right now, its the topic. How was I less than objective in my testing? > > Not really, Bob --- since you apparently do not understand my point > regarding "objectivity." ALL knowledge is subjective. There is no such > thing as "objective" knowledge. I refer you to the writings of Arthur > Eddington on this subject. Address the issue please. In what way was I less 'intellectually dishonest' in my testing? If you suggest my results are flawed, what is the flaw? This is the heart and soul of this list, discussion (in the form of respectful debate) of experimental results. It could not be made any more clear that it is in Bill's list rules. Do you respect the written rules of this forum or not? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 08:46:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA06783; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:46:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:46:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:46:57 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oWQEN2.0.uf1.cDvas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan, I would supremely enjoy it if you would stop posting Mr. Newman's CHALLENGES TO THE WORLD comments here. I believe that they are out of line. So what if he's the god of EM? Dont post it here. Why not talk ABOUT Newman's device? (just an idea) Christopher Loental ps. does anyone else agree, or am I out of line? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 11:28:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA05809; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:28:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:28:50 -0800 From: "Martin" To: Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:26:30 +0200 Message-ID: <01be39aa$76310460$LocalHost@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mqZbb3.0.gQ1.obxas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I would supremely enjoy it if you would stop posting Mr. Newman's >CHALLENGES TO THE WORLD comments here. I believe that they are out of >line. So what if he's the god of EM? Dont post it here. Why not talk >ABOUT Newman's device? (just an idea) > > >Christopher Loental > >ps. does anyone else agree, or am I out of line? Yes please lets get the personal stuff offline and just concentrate on device details , experimental results etc. Regards Martin > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 11:31:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA07867; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:31:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:31:47 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: <544f738a.3693b9fc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:31:08 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"4SlhF2.0.cw1.Xexas"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mr. Loental I agree with you that we should limit our subjects into the physical facts. That is what I am seeking. But when one finds fault in logic and or results, I believe that it is a DUTY of the person tell the other of his errors. But just because one makes an error, he / she should not be put down as an idiot, liar, fool, etc..... It is the idiot who doesn't try to learn or experiment. And if the person does not learn or experiment, that is the only way NOT to make mistakes. IF we don't get the answers to our questions, there are two things to do. Either forget the whole thing or find it out experimentally or logical deduction. And once the solution is found, I feel that the person with the kowledge is "just about duty bound" to spread the solution to the public (read our forum). If I wanted to hear about "politicking", pickering, and name calling, I would turn on the CB radio. Please let's go forward and see what other secrets the Universe is hiding from us. :-) Thank you all for your time. Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 16:52:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23002; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:51:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:51:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990106195941.008f3c90@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:59:43 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FR8uX1.0.Dd5.XK0bs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:48 AM 1/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >>How do you infer that I am intellectually dishonest when I actually made >>tests? >> >>Did I willfully deceive myself and produce incorrect data? > >What you did inside your own mind is your "property" Bob. I will repeat >what I stated above: Those who are curious and intellectually-honst will >read Joseph Newman's book for themselves. Those who are not, won't. If >the shoe fits, please feel free to wear it, Bob. Well, this is quite interesting. We have now a much more constructive situation now. Evan Soule claims that Bob's experiments with inductors are in error. He's questioning Bob's results. I suggest the following. Bob, please post in synopsis form the experiment you did. Evan can then show where the errors lay. I'm curious to see Evan's analysis. Although I have had my disagreements with Bob, he usually provides enough information for us to make a good analysis of his experiments. If you don't think this is the case, see Bob's web pages on Bill B's site. Whether you agree or disagree with him, it's there. And you will be able to make up your own mind. K. By the way Evan, you seem quite fixated on those questions. I haven't mentioned them for days, yet you keep referring to them....? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 18:11:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA25348; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:11:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:11:04 -0800 Message-ID: <36943E85.4230@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:56:37 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: <3.0.32.19990106195941.008f3c90@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zEwsG.0.zB6.tU1bs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > >What you did inside your own mind is your "property" Bob. I will repeat > >what I stated above: Those who are curious and intellectually-honst will > >read Joseph Newman's book for themselves. Those who are not, won't. If > >the shoe fits, please feel free to wear it, Bob. > > Well, this is quite interesting. > > We have now a much more constructive situation now. Evan Soule claims that > Bob's experiments with inductors are in error. He's questioning > Bob's results. Yep, thats what it looks like to me. > I suggest the following. Bob, please post in synopsis form > the experiment you did. Evan can then show where > the errors lay. I'm curious to see Evan's analysis. I'm on it. I've got to search through all the archives. (I did find the coils I used though) Can anyone here recall the approximate date of the last Newman flap? It sure would speed up my search. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 20:07:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA07397; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:07:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:07:29 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 03:56:07 -0000 From: "Irving Z. Gribbish" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Kirlian "Cameras" X-Sender-Ip: 131.170.208.65 Organization: Deja News Mail (http://www.my-dejanews.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6vASn2.0.Up1.1C3bs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi from Irving Gribbish igribbish@my-dejanews.com ("Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving) On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:40:44 John Schnurer wrote: > > > Tell us about the camera, please... :) The (so-called) 'Kirlian' imaging device (not an 'optical' camera as such) is no more than a high-voltage, high-frequency oscillator. Tesla coils were frequently used in early experiments in the 1970s- when the technique became popular here in the West following the publication of "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain", by Schroeder & Ostrander- howvever, these are no longer cons idered to provide adequate frequency stability for serious research into the subject of "corona/gas discharge imaging". Today, it seems much more practical to employ electronic techniques to generate the hv, hf energy used in the technique- an oscillator gating an SCR, or driving a Power MOSFET switching a voltage which is applied to a step-up transformer. (This way there are no tedious coils to wind- apologies to all you coil-winding freaks out there!) The energy is applied to an electrode apon which is placed a piece to photosensitive material (emulsion-side up) and it is apon this that the object to be photographed is put- usually a hand or a fingertip. Some type of exposure-time control is employed i n order to "define" the 'event' that is generated in the process. I'm sure you've seen these type of images a million times in your life- there's the spooky hand with the eerie electric-blue glow that wafts out at the start of the "X-Files" for one. Anyone with any groovy circuits for such devices- I'd be interested to hear from you. There's only one that I know of posted on the web at a site dealing with the CIA and the Kennedy assasination, of all things. All the best, Irving Z. Gribbish -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 6 21:21:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA00346; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:20:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:20:53 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <846c415c.369443fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:19:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The Newman issue -- some comments Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"OA8qE.0.E5.rG4bs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings All, I have participated on this list for several years and like many of you have endured several of these Newman controversies without comment. I still have high hopes of remaining on the sideline but thought that one post with my comments would not be unreasonable. The reason I am on this list is to learn about the free energy thoughts, ideas, and research of others and provide suggestions and assistance in the areas I feel competent and have others do the same for me. The great thing about this research area is that competence in "conventional theory" is a two-edged sword: by applications of standard theory alone as we now understand it, you are not going to achieve free energy. Further, most scientists seem to have a real problem thinking "outside the box". On the other hand, if one does not understand what results can be explained and predicted by standard theory one could easily spend a lot of time optimizing experiments that are producing results that seem impressive but can be explained (not overunity). But the point is, the effectiveness of the list depends upon information. If one is to discuss, comment on, or try to replicate someone else's work he must have all the information that is available. In this group that may leave a lot of gaps as we don't all have great instrumentation or well thought out theories, but in my opinion we have an obligation to provide all the information we can. Otherwise we have no right to expect others to consider our work seriously. If one wants to post with the attitude "this is what I am going to tell you about what I did, make of it what you will", I have no serious objection but I can understand some might consider it a waste of their time having to deal with the posts. In the free energy documentation on the internet there of course many claims of overunity results of one kind or another without enough information for verification. My own view is to considers Newman's work, and these other results, as proposals for ways overunity might be achieved and see if it is related to any of my own ideas. But to spend time on them otherwise -- Nope. Ok, off the soap box and back to lurking for a while. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 7 05:41:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA05636; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:41:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:41:12 -0800 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: Subject: R: Searching project ! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:37:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01be3a42$eb1c3720$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lHr7E2.0.qN1.tbBbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Fred Epps A: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Data: mercoledě 30 dicembre 1998 21.23 Oggetto: Re: Searching project ! Hi Dave and Fred, Many thanks for the answers! On next weekend I'll try to experiment with the circuit... It seems to be a strange circuit... Not resonating as an usual electronic project, but nevertheless interesting. regards, Stefano > >Hi Stefano and Dave, > > >Yes, it sounds like it's my circuit. A few things: > > >1) It was an experiment in dowsing. The whole thing was dowsed out of >electronics catalogs (I believe I used Mouser for most of it). My wife, >who know nothing about electronics, was the dowser, and I did not >suggest any parts or placements. >2) I don't know how or whether it works. We dowsed a little about the >working principle but it didn't make much sense. It is hard to ask >"how?" questions in yes or no format without leading the questions. >3) My sense though is that it would be some sort of converter of orgone >type energies and not a receiver of EM. > > >The circuit diagram is attached. > > > > >>> >>>Does anyone remember a project publicated about 1 year ago on this >list? >>>It was a simple circuit with a common quartz crystal connected with an >>>aerial, resonating with the earth em field... (If I don't mistake..). >>>Could someone please email me the draft with this scheme? > > >>> >>Could have been Fred Epps' "earthpower" receiver, from Oct 18, 1997? >>In series, in order: 4" ball antenna, 90 Ohm resistor, 3.57MHz crystal, >and >>ground. >>Another series circuit in parallel to the crystal: >>10nF capacitor, 1N270 diode, 100K resistor. Cathode of diode to 10nF >cap. > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 7 06:30:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20681; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:30:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:30:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199901071430.IAA29591@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: The Newman issue -- some comments Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:30:01 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sqQdd.0.235.2KCbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Ken, Like you, I have a very open mind, but it has limitations. I believe in free energy to this extent; I can dam up a stream to create a head pressure to drive a water wheel.....free energy......I can drill a hole in the ground and get artesian water under pressure to drive a small turbine..free energy.... one of our group could find a way to tap a small amount of energy from the nucleus of an atom....lots of free energy there....or one of us could build a neutrino collector/assembler....lots of free energy or matter there. But something for nothing....only God can do that. Hope springs eternal from the human breast. Joe Portman ========== ---------- > From: Keasy@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: The Newman issue -- some comments > Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 11:19 PM > > Greetings All, > I have participated on this list for several years and like many of > you have endured several of these Newman controversies without comment. > > Ok, off the soap box and back to lurking for a while. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 03:14:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA14777; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:14:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:14:42 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:24:51 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"rZqnE.0.kc3.XYUbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan, > >I would supremely enjoy it if you would stop posting Mr. Newman's >CHALLENGES TO THE WORLD comments here. I believe that they are out of >line. So what if he's the god of EM? Dont post it here. Why not talk >ABOUT Newman's device? (just an idea) > > >Christopher Loental > >ps. does anyone else agree, or am I out of line? Dear Christopher, Thank you for your opinion. Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 03:19:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA16273; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:18:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:18:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:29:04 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"0yx-a3.0.A-3.XcUbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ************************************************************ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net www.josephnewman.com Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people throughout the world. I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very appropriate at this time: "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" -- Albert Einstein Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest Challenge. What does that tell you? I am writing the following for the benefit of honest indivi- duals only. So that you may know the magnitude of the benefit of my life's work for humanity, I quote to you from my book, from the chapter on Quantum Mechanics, pages 71 and 72. The endorsement of the ideas presented are from several of the greatest scientists of this century ---- particularly Albert Einstein and Erwin Schrodinger: Einstein wrote to Max Born in 1926 (10 yrs.before my birth): "Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer...but I am convinced that God does not throw dice." And this position of the great scientists of the time was "most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger:" "Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is pos- sible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extrava- gance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better THAN THE MESS OF FORMULAS WHICH TODAY SURROUNDS OUR SUBJECT." (Emphasis added.) All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this century. Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] listen to my explanations and test my invention. These individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] The following is the Affidavit: AFFIDAVIT I ___________________________ readily admit that none of the great scientists of the past (including Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein) could provide a simple, mechanical explanation for the following: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I also readily admit that the answering of these questions by one simple, mechanical explanation wherein it proves that a magnetic field consists of particles MOVING at the speed of light ... then the world has a new source of energy --- a river of energy --- which is literally E=mc^2 on a 100% conversion basis that is non-polluting to the earth or life on the planet. I swear the above to be true: ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Educational Background: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can scientifically furnish any need. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Additional Comments by Joseph Newman: To all the mental cowards who oppose my life's work: My life's work is NOT FOR YOU! But for the honest and sincere people of the world, my work IS for you! My innovations are the result of thousands and thousands of hours and many years of study, experimentation, and deep questioning and thought. I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn it.] I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! It is laughable to me that these Mental Cowards make no attempt to fundamentally, explicitly and Mechanically explain ALL of the above-described phenomena with ONE Single Mechanical Explanation. I can do this and I have done this many years ago: my concept of the GYROSCOPIC PARTICLE. However, these Mental Cowards continually "run their mouths" and prove that they know nothing about such fundamental Mechanics or TRUE SCIENCE. Example: These "mediocre minds" (to refer to Einstein's terminology) even attempt to imply that water moves at close to the speed of light. Read below and you will see that they imply this ---- even thought they attempt to claim that they do not. These individuals can't even get right the statement taught long ago concerning this subject. Quoting again from Henry Jacobowitz, "Electricity Made Simple" (Columbia University, page 11): "Although the electrons drift through the wire at a relatively low speed, the DISTURBANCE or IMPULSE is TRANSMITTED ALMOST AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT." [Emphasis added.] Note:"Disturbance" is defined as: "SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS." "Impulse" is defined as: "A PUSH; MOMENTUM, IMPETUS." The conventional electron hypothesis has nothing to do with what I am talking about in a very fundamental mechanical sense, as attested to and described in my book, as well as what I am stating here. Note: If water had an IMPULSE even REMOTELY close to the SPEED OF LIGHT, then it would penetrate STEEL! One knows that this is not true unless millions of pounds of pressure per square inch can be applied. All water moves from its container relative to the AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT IS APPLIED BEHIND IT. Note: The water at your home faucet does not come from your faucet at all "fast" relative to that which I have described. And examine this Fact: a tsunami from an earth- quake has tremendous "Impulse" --- yet it does not travel at even the speed of sound. Need I say more? If one takes a conductor and moves it even at a "snail's pace" at right angles to a magnetic field, then the current (consisting of GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES [see page 77 of my fundamental book]) moves with "DISTURBANCE" and "IMPULSE" down the conductor at "almost the speed of light". The honest people who read this can understand that I have no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf also benefits Humanity. Honest people should understand that I am preparing for production of my life's work with ALL HASTE. Until such Mental Cowards meet my honest and sincere Challenge, I will concentrate on such production and not waste my time with such untruthful "MEDIOCRE MINDS", which Albert Einstein so accurately described. Accordingly, because of my love and respect for Evan Soule' (who has worked with dedication on my behalf for over 15 years), I have asked that he send (as often as necessary) this Statement to every "MEDIOCRE MIND" who chooses to attack him, myself, and/or my life's work, but will NOT accept my Honest Challenge. God has taught me ALL THAT I KNOW, and I, You, Humanity, and the Will of God will Win, this year of 1999. --- Joseph Westley Newman ************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 07:39:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA11823; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:39:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:39:16 -0800 From: CHARLES PARKINSON To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:35:27 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <76DDE3B2D17@MAINCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Resent-Message-ID: <"erIHc1.0.cu2.aQYbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, I would like to re-post something that the wonderful Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake posted ages ago on the Gen-Brit list. The following is a direct quote and I think it is almost too true to be funny :-) Q: How many newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331. : 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed. : 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. : 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. : 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. : 53 to flame the spell checkers. : 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. : 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. : 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb : 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. : 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. : 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. : 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. : 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. : 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. : 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." : 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. : 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." : 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. : 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. : 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. : 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 14:43:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA05958; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:43:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:43:23 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <27e024b5.369689de@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:42:38 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: National Guard set for May Y2K test Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA05938 Resent-Message-ID: <"id_G8.0._S1.Aeebs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone, I know this is not the purpose of the freenrg-l@eskimo.com list, but I felt hopefully people won't mind it. If you do I am terribly sorry I shouldn't have done it. Mehmet. The plan for massive military mobilization National Guard exercises unprecedented since World War II set for May Y2K test ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Editor's note: This is the first of a series of investigative reports on this subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By David M. Bresnahan © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com The National Guard is planning its first national mobilization of troops since 1940 in preparation for civil unrest resulting from the Y2K millennium bug, WorldNetDaily has learned. The National Guard Bureau in Washington is currently formulating plans for a mobilization test, in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. If Y2K causes a complete shutdown of all communications, the National Guard will ) Rest is here if yo care to read it: The plan for massive military mobilization From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 16:27:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA08655; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:27:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:27:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3696C921.11F@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:12:33 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s-rp9.0.272.Q9gbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > > ************************************************************ > NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION > 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > (602) 657-3722 > email: josephnewman@earthlink.net > www.josephnewman.com Is this a commercial email? It sure seems to be. > Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 > > Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people > throughout the world. > > I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth > seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to > provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very > appropriate at this time: > > "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION > FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF > UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO > CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS > HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" > > -- Albert Einstein > > Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming > out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to > be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- > viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet > are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. > Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack > Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- > grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. Twisting the fact a bit here? Mr. Soule attacked my testing, without any basis in fact. Hardly an intellectually honest act it seems. And Mr. Newman, you do not have the courage to meet the challange made to you on this forum, years ago, or more recently. Here you cannot rely on showmanship or misdirection, here there is a written record, and truth is decided by emperical evidence rather than by force of personality. You do not have the courage to address emperical testing that shows your theory is flawed, here in a scientific forum. Why can't you defend your theory without resorting to showmanship? > I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group > together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to > Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I > will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the > Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. Public opinion is not a valid judge of scientific truth. Thats why we have scientists. Don't you claim to be a scientist? Prove just how good a scientist you really are, right here. > These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest > Challenge. What does that tell you? Volumes Mr. Newman. Will Mr. Soule meet my challange, and show me where my testing was less than objective? So far the data has only been attacked by bluster and self-serving words. I have shared my results and testing methods quite some time ago, in accordance to the list rules. Mr. Soule has suggested that this testing was less than subjective. He has tried to denigrate emperical test data without addressing a single fact. All we have is some vague, (flawed) intellectual misdirection suggesting that emperical data can be subjective while unsupported, and undefended claims alone can be 'intellectually honest'. Now what does that tell you? > All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- > complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for > humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, > and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this > century. Einstein was wrong. > [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule > my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or > refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] Mr. Newman, Mr. Soule, please. This challange is an old item, beaten to death here before. You have been told why its unacceptable. You refused the counter-challange made at that time, nor again recently. Mr. Soule still cannot support his baseless attack on the testing. There is also a question of his understand of the written rules of this forum. > I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from > individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, > but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This > statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are > honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn > it.] Several people here RAN TESTS. The only response has been the running of mouths. > I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to > such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! We have, and we are still waiting. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 16:34:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13266; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:34:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3696CAF0.1EC5@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:20:16 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: <76DDE3B2D17@MAINCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v39E83.0.BF3.bGgbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: CHARLES PARKINSON wrote: > > Hello, > > I would like to re-post something that the wonderful Barney > Tyrwhitt-Drake posted ages ago on the Gen-Brit list. The following > is a direct quote and I think it is almost too true to be funny :-) > > Q: How many newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > A: 1,331. > : 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, > leave it here. > > : 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb Wow, me too! Great post, the best yet. Its all been worth this one for me. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 16:41:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15967; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:40:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:40:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199901090147.WAA25977@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:39:48 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3696CAF0.1EC5@tiac.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMzzk2.0.Nv3.QMgbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In order to assure the highest levels of quality work and productivity from employees, it will be our policy to keep all employees well trained through our program of SPECIAL HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING (S.H.I.T.). 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Thank You, BOSS IN GENERAL SPECIAL HIGH INTESITY TRAINING (B.I.G S.H.I.T.) --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 16:50:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20010; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:50:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:50:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:00:41 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"2hM0a.0.Yu4.TVgbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule' wrote: >> >> ************************************************************ >> NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION >> 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 >> (602) 657-3722 >> email: josephnewman@earthlink.net >> www.josephnewman.com > > > >Is this a commercial email? It sure seems to be. > >> Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 >> >> Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people >> throughout the world. >> >> I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth >> seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to >> provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very >> appropriate at this time: >> >> "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION >> FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF >> UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO >> CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS >> HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" >> >> -- Albert Einstein >> >> Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming >> out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to >> be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- >> viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet >> are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. >> Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack >> Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- >> grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. > >Twisting the fact a bit here? > >Mr. Soule attacked my testing, without any basis in fact. >Hardly an intellectually honest act it seems. Quite the contrary. Joseph Newman challenges you to first debate the fundamentals of electromagnetism. He also challenges to debate your "test" of one of his concepts. > >And Mr. Newman, you do not have the courage to meet the challange >made to you on this forum, years ago, or more recently. Here you >cannot rely on showmanship or misdirection, here there is a written >record, and truth is decided by emperical evidence rather than by force >of personality. > >You do not have the courage to address emperical testing that shows >your theory is flawed, here in a scientific forum. Not at all, Mr. Shannon. Joseph Newman challenges you to have the courage to publicly debate him and match his $10,000. > >Why can't you defend your theory without resorting to showmanship? It is not "showmanship". This is your attempt to ridicule his honest challenge to you. His challenge to you remains. > >> I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group >> together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to >> Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I >> will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the >> Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. > >Public opinion is not a valid judge of scientific truth. Joseph Newman believes that if public opinion can be entrusted to determine whether a human being lives or dies, that public opinion can determine who knows more about the fundamentals of electromagnetism: Joseph Newman or Bob Shannon. > >Thats why we have scientists. Don't you claim to be a scientist? >Prove just how good a scientist you really are, right here. > >> These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest >> Challenge. What does that tell you? > >Volumes Mr. Newman. > >Will Mr. Soule meet my challange, and show me where my testing was less >than objective? So far the data has only been attacked by bluster and >self-serving words. > >I have shared my results and testing methods quite some time ago, in >accordance to the list rules. Mr. Soule has suggested that this testing >was less than subjective. He has tried to denigrate emperical test data >without addressing a single fact. > >All we have is some vague, (flawed) intellectual misdirection suggesting >that emperical data can be subjective while unsupported, and undefended >claims alone can be 'intellectually honest'. > >Now what does that tell you? The question for Joseph Newman is: will you have the courage to debate with him the fundamentals of electromagnetism? Per Joseph Newman's request, I will repeat again his challenge, specifically directed to you, Bob Shannon: ************************************************************ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net www.josephnewman.com Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people throughout the world. I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very appropriate at this time: "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" -- Albert Einstein Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest Challenge. What does that tell you? I am writing the following for the benefit of honest indivi- duals only. So that you may know the magnitude of the benefit of my life's work for humanity, I quote to you from my book, from the chapter on Quantum Mechanics, pages 71 and 72. The endorsement of the ideas presented are from several of the greatest scientists of this century ---- particularly Albert Einstein and Erwin Schrodinger: Einstein wrote to Max Born in 1926 (10 yrs.before my birth): "Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer...but I am convinced that God does not throw dice." And this position of the great scientists of the time was "most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger:" "Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is pos- sible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extrava- gance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better THAN THE MESS OF FORMULAS WHICH TODAY SURROUNDS OUR SUBJECT." (Emphasis added.) All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this century. Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] listen to my explanations and test my invention. These individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] The following is the Affidavit: AFFIDAVIT I ___________________________ readily admit that none of the great scientists of the past (including Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein) could provide a simple, mechanical explanation for the following: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I also readily admit that the answering of these questions by one simple, mechanical explanation wherein it proves that a magnetic field consists of particles MOVING at the speed of light ... then the world has a new source of energy --- a river of energy --- which is literally E=mc^2 on a 100% conversion basis that is non-polluting to the earth or life on the planet. I swear the above to be true: ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Educational Background: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can scientifically furnish any need. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Additional Comments by Joseph Newman: To all the mental cowards who oppose my life's work: My life's work is NOT FOR YOU! But for the honest and sincere people of the world, my work IS for you! My innovations are the result of thousands and thousands of hours and many years of study, experimentation, and deep questioning and thought. I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn it.] I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! It is laughable to me that these Mental Cowards make no attempt to fundamentally, explicitly and Mechanically explain ALL of the above-described phenomena with ONE Single Mechanical Explanation. I can do this and I have done this many years ago: my concept of the GYROSCOPIC PARTICLE. However, these Mental Cowards continually "run their mouths" and prove that they know nothing about such fundamental Mechanics or TRUE SCIENCE. Example: These "mediocre minds" (to refer to Einstein's terminology) even attempt to imply that water moves at close to the speed of light. Read below and you will see that they imply this ---- even thought they attempt to claim that they do not. These individuals can't even get right the statement taught long ago concerning this subject. Quoting again from Henry Jacobowitz, "Electricity Made Simple" (Columbia University, page 11): "Although the electrons drift through the wire at a relatively low speed, the DISTURBANCE or IMPULSE is TRANSMITTED ALMOST AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT." [Emphasis added.] Note:"Disturbance" is defined as: "SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS." "Impulse" is defined as: "A PUSH; MOMENTUM, IMPETUS." The conventional electron hypothesis has nothing to do with what I am talking about in a very fundamental mechanical sense, as attested to and described in my book, as well as what I am stating here. Note: If water had an IMPULSE even REMOTELY close to the SPEED OF LIGHT, then it would penetrate STEEL! One knows that this is not true unless millions of pounds of pressure per square inch can be applied. All water moves from its container relative to the AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT IS APPLIED BEHIND IT. Note: The water at your home faucet does not come from your faucet at all "fast" relative to that which I have described. And examine this Fact: a tsunami from an earth- quake has tremendous "Impulse" --- yet it does not travel at even the speed of sound. Need I say more? If one takes a conductor and moves it even at a "snail's pace" at right angles to a magnetic field, then the current (consisting of GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES [see page 77 of my fundamental book]) moves with "DISTURBANCE" and "IMPULSE" down the conductor at "almost the speed of light". The honest people who read this can understand that I have no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf also benefits Humanity. Honest people should understand that I am preparing for production of my life's work with ALL HASTE. Until such Mental Cowards meet my honest and sincere Challenge, I will concentrate on such production and not waste my time with such untruthful "MEDIOCRE MINDS", which Albert Einstein so accurately described. Accordingly, because of my love and respect for Evan Soule' (who has worked with dedication on my behalf for over 15 years), I have asked that he send (as often as necessary) this Statement to every "MEDIOCRE MIND" who chooses to attack him, myself, and/or my life's work, but will NOT accept my Honest Challenge. God has taught me ALL THAT I KNOW, and I, You, Humanity, and the Will of God will Win, this year of 1999. --- Joseph Westley Newman ************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 16:52:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA21056; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:52:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:52:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3696A8FB.4E625F2A@ghiocel.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:55:23 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: <3696C921.11F@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IM_FZ3.0.r85.KXgbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Bob, I understand that you run some tests before on the Newman motor and you also could not prove his theories. Since I am new on this debate, do you think I can have a look at your tests and the results? In exchange I will provide you with an honest opinion and evaluation (of course if my technical expertise has any value for you!). If you do not want to burden the list with this old information, please e-mail it directly to me to dan@ghiocel.com, or if it is more convenient for you, you can fax it toll free to 1-888-275-7268. Thank you, Dan Bob Shannon wrote: > > Evan Soule wrote: > > > > ************************************************************ > > NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION > > 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > > (602) 657-3722 > > email: josephnewman@earthlink.net > > www.josephnewman.com > > > > Is this a commercial email? It sure seems to be. > > > Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 18:29:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21899; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:28:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:28:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990108213628.00cb8c40@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:36:31 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SqyyT.0.4M5.Exhbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi. >Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am >unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already >had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from >Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] >listen to my explanations and test my invention. These >individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed >and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK snip >I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production >Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts >input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the >Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can >scientifically furnish any need. > >____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ > >The honest people who read this can understand that I have >no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who >tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest >Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and >ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf >also benefits Humanity. > > --- Joseph Westley Newman As a member of the aforementioned gang of hyenas, I would like to add the following. The names and telephone #'s of these individuals? Evan, you always seem amply willing to act as directory assistance. How about it? K. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 18:40:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA29061; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:40:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:40:34 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: <5cd695cd.3696c179@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:53 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"5ofH-1.0.v57.Y6ibs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/8/99 4:52:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, josephnewman@earthlink.net writes: << I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. >> On this aspect I am confused. IF a particle (mass) is turned into energy, does not that particle cease to exist as a matter. Only energy is left IF the particle is converted to energy 100%. In no place have I read or come up with a magnetism converting mass into energy. If that was a case the magnets should be loosing weight as time went on. How wrong am I??? Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 19:21:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA26085; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:20:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:20:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901090357.AAA21608@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:50:04 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5cd695cd.3696c179@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"tWq-v2.0.RN6.Jhibs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > In a message dated 1/8/99 4:52:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > josephnewman@earthlink.net writes: > > << > I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished > these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- > tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and > proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of > E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. > >> > > On this aspect I am confused. IF a particle (mass) is turned into energy, > does not that particle cease to exist as a matter. Only energy is left IF the > particle is converted to energy 100%. > In no place have I read or come up with a magnetism converting mass into > energy. If that was a case the magnets should be loosing weight as time went > on. > How wrong am I??? > Matti > You are wrong asking this question here. According to Mr. Soule, you have to call Mr. Newman or buy his book. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 23:31:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA12490; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:31:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:31:46 -0800 Message-ID: <001301be3ba2$13b4a860$8bfd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Cc: "Joseph Wesley Newman" Subject: Re: Newman's challenge Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:31:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"qN_Pz2.0.333.YNmbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What the heck, Bob, I think you should take up the challenge. 'Cause it's the MANLY thing to do. You should insist the debate be outside of Scottsdale to make it harder for Mr. Newman to pad the audience with his supporters. I think Tombstone would be a good place--a Scientific Showdown at the O.K. Corral! Your best chance of winning is to keep the technical stuff at a minimum, so as not to lose the audience. Talking loud is more effective. We settle this thing the democratic way, by populer vote. The People will decide which sort of Physics they want, and an obedient Universe will rearrange itself to run along those lines. A tie vote could be decided by scientific comparison of the sizes of each man's genitalia. One man walks away with $20,000. The other crawls off into the desert. The Universe starts operating again. And this newsgroup stops getting bogged down with all this junk email. R. A. Davis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 8 23:42:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA15209; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:42:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:42:22 -0800 Message-ID: <028501be3ba3$cb71e660$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: National Guard set for May Y2K test Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:43:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aQCI63.0.Yj3.UXmbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Well if they have to invoke martial law you want them to be prepared don't you? I understand Canada may do this as well, so we get our food from the troops instead of walmart - we are still sheep right? >The plan for massive >military mobilization >National Guard exercises unprecedented >since World War II set for May Y2K test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 01:46:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA05718; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:46:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:46:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:56:05 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"4ZKEq2.0.BP1.OLobs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi. > >>Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am >>unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already >>had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from >>Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] >>listen to my explanations and test my invention. These >>individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed >>and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK > >snip > >>I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production >>Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts >>input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the >>Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can >>scientifically furnish any need. >> >>____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ >> >>The honest people who read this can understand that I have >>no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who >>tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest >>Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and >>ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf >>also benefits Humanity. >> >> --- Joseph Westley Newman > >As a member of the aforementioned gang of hyenas, I would >like to add the following. > >The names and telephone #'s of these individuals? > >Evan, you always seem amply willing to act as directory >assistance. How about it? > >K. Dear Keith, Joseph Newman was kind enough to provide a reply to your above statement. Evan Soule' To: Keith Nagel I don't provide you with the names and telephone #'s for the reason that you ARE a hyena, as you admit. Joseph Westley Newman My challenge to you: ************************************************************ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net www.josephnewman.com Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people throughout the world. I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very appropriate at this time: "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" -- Albert Einstein Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest Challenge. What does that tell you? I am writing the following for the benefit of honest indivi- duals only. So that you may know the magnitude of the benefit of my life's work for humanity, I quote to you from my book, from the chapter on Quantum Mechanics, pages 71 and 72. The endorsement of the ideas presented are from several of the greatest scientists of this century ---- particularly Albert Einstein and Erwin Schrodinger: Einstein wrote to Max Born in 1926 (10 yrs.before my birth): "Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer...but I am convinced that God does not throw dice." And this position of the great scientists of the time was "most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger:" "Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is pos- sible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extrava- gance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better THAN THE MESS OF FORMULAS WHICH TODAY SURROUNDS OUR SUBJECT." (Emphasis added.) All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this century. Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] listen to my explanations and test my invention. These individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] The following is the Affidavit: AFFIDAVIT I ___________________________ readily admit that none of the great scientists of the past (including Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein) could provide a simple, mechanical explanation for the following: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I also readily admit that the answering of these questions by one simple, mechanical explanation wherein it proves that a magnetic field consists of particles MOVING at the speed of light ... then the world has a new source of energy --- a river of energy --- which is literally E=mc^2 on a 100% conversion basis that is non-polluting to the earth or life on the planet. I swear the above to be true: ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Educational Background: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can scientifically furnish any need. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Additional Comments by Joseph Newman: To all the mental cowards who oppose my life's work: My life's work is NOT FOR YOU! But for the honest and sincere people of the world, my work IS for you! My innovations are the result of thousands and thousands of hours and many years of study, experimentation, and deep questioning and thought. I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn it.] I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! It is laughable to me that these Mental Cowards make no attempt to fundamentally, explicitly and Mechanically explain ALL of the above-described phenomena with ONE Single Mechanical Explanation. I can do this and I have done this many years ago: my concept of the GYROSCOPIC PARTICLE. However, these Mental Cowards continually "run their mouths" and prove that they know nothing about such fundamental Mechanics or TRUE SCIENCE. Example: These "mediocre minds" (to refer to Einstein's terminology) even attempt to imply that water moves at close to the speed of light. Read below and you will see that they imply this ---- even thought they attempt to claim that they do not. These individuals can't even get right the statement taught long ago concerning this subject. Quoting again from Henry Jacobowitz, "Electricity Made Simple" (Columbia University, page 11): "Although the electrons drift through the wire at a relatively low speed, the DISTURBANCE or IMPULSE is TRANSMITTED ALMOST AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT." [Emphasis added.] Note:"Disturbance" is defined as: "SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS." "Impulse" is defined as: "A PUSH; MOMENTUM, IMPETUS." The conventional electron hypothesis has nothing to do with what I am talking about in a very fundamental mechanical sense, as attested to and described in my book, as well as what I am stating here. Note: If water had an IMPULSE even REMOTELY close to the SPEED OF LIGHT, then it would penetrate STEEL! One knows that this is not true unless millions of pounds of pressure per square inch can be applied. All water moves from its container relative to the AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT IS APPLIED BEHIND IT. Note: The water at your home faucet does not come from your faucet at all "fast" relative to that which I have described. And examine this Fact: a tsunami from an earth- quake has tremendous "Impulse" --- yet it does not travel at even the speed of sound. Need I say more? If one takes a conductor and moves it even at a "snail's pace" at right angles to a magnetic field, then the current (consisting of GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES [see page 77 of my fundamental book]) moves with "DISTURBANCE" and "IMPULSE" down the conductor at "almost the speed of light". The honest people who read this can understand that I have no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf also benefits Humanity. Honest people should understand that I am preparing for production of my life's work with ALL HASTE. Until such Mental Cowards meet my honest and sincere Challenge, I will concentrate on such production and not waste my time with such untruthful "MEDIOCRE MINDS", which Albert Einstein so accurately described. Accordingly, because of my love and respect for Evan Soule' (who has worked with dedication on my behalf for over 15 years), I have asked that he send (as often as necessary) this Statement to every "MEDIOCRE MIND" who chooses to attack him, myself, and/or my life's work, but will NOT accept my Honest Challenge. God has taught me ALL THAT I KNOW, and I, You, Humanity, and the Will of God will Win, this year of 1999. --- Joseph Westley Newman ************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 02:39:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA13896; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:39:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be3bbb$fb160500$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Test - Sorry Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:19:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TcdQS1.0.1P3.o7pbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 08:05:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA32125; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:05:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3697A506.FB2@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:50:46 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TfN8P1.0.sr7.xutbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > Dear Keith, > > Joseph Newman was kind enough to provide a reply to your above statement. > > Evan Soule' > > To: Keith Nagel > > I don't provide you with the names and telephone #'s for the reason that > you ARE a hyena, as you admit. > > Joseph Westley Newman Then the document is totally meaningless, and intellectually dishonest. Apparently Mr. Soule's objectivity and honor are also missing in action. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 08:14:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA01598; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:14:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:14:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990109112224.00cbb860@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:22:26 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Lhsve1.0.qO.W1ubs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 04:56 AM 1/9/99 -0600, you wrote: > >Dear Keith, > >Joseph Newman was kind enough to provide a reply to your above statement. > >Evan Soule' > > > >To: Keith Nagel > >I don't provide you with the names and telephone #'s for the reason that >you ARE a hyena, as you admit. > >Joseph Westley Newman > Oh, but it's not for me. As you know, I don't call people on the phone. No, they are for the list. This is so others can call and confirm the fact that a) they exist. b) they are credentialed as indicated in the post. c) they can explain the testing that was done. Unless of course, we are ALL hyenas, in which case I question the logic of Evan posting to the "pack". K. Hyena #1(laughing) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 08:43:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA11447; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:43:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:43:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3697ADF1.4694@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:28:49 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. A. Davis" CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's challenge References: <001301be3ba2$13b4a860$8bfd07d0@r.davis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V0KXt2.0.io2.dSubs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: R. A. Davis wrote: > > What the heck, Bob, I think you should take up the challenge. 'Cause it's > the MANLY thing to do. That would be grossly unfair to Mr. Newman! > You should insist the debate be outside of Scottsdale to make it harder for > Mr. Newman to pad the audience with his supporters. I think Tombstone would > be a good place--a Scientific Showdown at the O.K. Corral! Not a bad idea, I often compete with single action six guns. Tombstone would be ideal! But Mr. Newman will not accept any variations of is challange. He prefers to have Mr. Soule burn all the shoe-leather on groups like this, only to leave him high and dry, unable to address the technical issues. These apparently cowardly acts tell us far more than unsupported claims of signed documents. > Your best chance of winning is to keep the technical stuff at a minimum, so > as not to lose the audience. Talking loud is more effective. I will not lower myself to Mr. Newman's level. Science is about testing and facts, it is not about public opinion. The level of scientific knowledge among the general population is tragically low. Look at the testing scores from schools and its perfectly clear why the general population is no judge here. > We settle this thing the democratic way, by populer vote. The People will > decide which sort of Physics they want, and an obedient Universe will > rearrange itself to run along those lines. > A tie vote could be decided by scientific comparison of the sizes of each > man's genitalia. Again, grossly unfair! This is not a political debate after all. > One man walks away with $20,000. The other crawls off into the desert. The > Universe starts operating again. And this newsgroup stops getting bogged > down with all this junk email. Mr. Davis, you cannot really expect Mr. Newman to pay up. Not based on his demonstrated level of objectivity and honesty. If Mr. Newman is to totaly unwilling to look at experimental evidence, how can we expect him to admit defeat under any circumstances. He lacks the personal courage and intellectual honesty to admit any error, or to objectivly review any emperical data that might show such an error. Mr. Soule also lacks any ability to defend his attacks on the emperical data. The fight, if Mr. Newman wants it, is right here, where the many objections to Mr. Soule's spaming have been voiced. If you pick a fight on the next block, you had better be prepared to finish that fight where it began. If you cry, 'But I'm outnumbered by hyenas here, lets finish this on my block', your not going to get your way now are you? Nor should you in my opinion. Thats just not how life works. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 09:10:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA21983; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:09:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <36978EA7.64F07EC0@arkansas.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:15:19 -0600 From: Doug Christensen Reply-To: auriga@arkansas.net Organization: DCX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: <3.0.32.19990108213628.00cb8c40@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"015J82.0.ON5.crubs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, My name is Doug Christensen, With great intrest I am needing to know how are your "power gains" mapped with the respect of time? In other words, are the duty rates CW in and out? I can show you coupling losses,but you show gains. Good work in beating the test equipment up, BUT again storage of pure DC measurements can only mean your correct !, and non DC measurments have to be figured across a known driven load;(with respect to watts/secs). All things are inductive and will store energy in the fashion perhaps what your seeing, i.e. a DC to DC converter shows great gains in voltage i/o but the the power draw is always a root squared time induction equation. Don`t be fooled by test equipment, always use a standard rectifyed load. Q: is the input draw showing any AC induction and/or is it pure DC?, not pulsed?, and is your motor a standard 50% efficency type?,you could be loosing coupling efficency in creating shaft horse power, what type of signal is this motor seeing- pure DC or pulsed? Good Work is ALWAYS just around the corner! Doug C. Keith Nagel wrote: > Hi. > > >Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am > >unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already > >had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from > >Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] > >listen to my explanations and test my invention. These > >individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed > >and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK > > snip > > >I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production > >Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts > >input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the > >Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can > >scientifically furnish any need. > > > >____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ > > > >The honest people who read this can understand that I have > >no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who > >tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest > >Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and > >ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf > >also benefits Humanity. > > > > --- Joseph Westley Newman > > As a member of the aforementioned gang of hyenas, I would > like to add the following. > > The names and telephone #'s of these individuals? > > Evan, you always seem amply willing to act as directory > assistance. How about it? > > K. > > K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 09:14:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA24025; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:13:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:13:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be3bf3$6abcc380$50fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Newman's Challenge Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:13:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"62Zyy3.0.Et5.Ivubs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob I hope you haven't lost your sense of humor. I myself can't take any of this seriously anymore. I'd only end up pitying somebody, and pity is agin' mah reelijjin. By the way, I sent a copy of my earlier post to Mr. Newman. Regards, RAD From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 10:34:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA14434; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:34:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:34:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990109123550.007aa100@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 12:35:50 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Number of Participants? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-A4VB1.0.RX3.-4wbs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Out of curiousity, how many subscribers are there to this list? I recently subscribed for a short period but was unable to purge my inbox fast enough with all the rediculous posts. Bill's page lists the number of subscribers as of 11/27/96 at 285. Bill could you give us an update? My interest in subscribing to this list was to "stand on the shoulders" if you will of those that have much more experimental experience under their belts and in so doing perhaps learn a little something. I have resolved myself to reading the posts from the archive. http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/index.html#00711 I find myself in complete agreement with Christopher Loental. >ps. does anyone else agree, or am I out of line? Not at all Christopher....Not at all. Thanks to those responsible for organizing this discussion group as it has great potential and for the better part it has been quite informative. Paul From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 9 20:10:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA18868; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:10:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:10:15 -0800 From: PENGWYNNES@aol.com Message-ID: <58b05943.369827fc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:09:32 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"QoGNm2.0.jc4.cW2cs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: joe newman has a habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack and giving them nothing in return. ask him about his FIRST go round when he lived in the bayou in Louisiana with the 'gators and the yahoos. people who invested in him them never got anything in return. he's not what he says he is. like p.t. barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 08:15:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24106; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:59:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:59:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3698F521.69CE@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:44:49 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: <58b05943.369827fc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xYRqO3.0.Zu5.OvCcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: PENGWYNNES@aol.com wrote: > > joe newman has a habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack and giving > them nothing in return. ask him about his FIRST go round when he lived in the > bayou in Louisiana with the 'gators and the yahoos. people who invested in him > them never got anything in return. he's not what he says he is. > > like p.t. barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute. This does seem to be the general consensus here. Mr. Newman has lost the battle for public opinion on this forum. Small wonder Mr. Newman and Mr. Soule will not address the facts before a scientifically knowledgable group. They seem to prefer to fleece the general population rather than deal with facts and experimental reality. As Mr. Soule's self described 'intellectual honesty' extends to dropping anyone who questions Mr. Newman's claims from the Newman list and expunging their posts, I have to really question Mr. Soule's claims that he is not profiting from all this. Clearly birds of a feather do flock together. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 09:56:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA18522; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:54:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:54:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:55:03 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: Doug Christensen cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 In-Reply-To: <36978EA7.64F07EC0@arkansas.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ZwvNs.0.FX4.UbEcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Doug Christensen wrote: > Hi, My name is Doug Christensen, With great intrest I am needing to > know how are your "power gains" mapped with the respect of time? > In other words, are the duty rates CW in and out? I can show you > coupling losses,but you show gains. Doug -- word to the wise. Don't ask technical questions about the Newman manchine on this forum. You wont get answers. You'll just be instructed to buy his FUNDAMENTAL BOOK, call his home phone number, or just blindly support him. And god forbid you should ever disagree with him... that automatically makes you a MENTAL COWARD. getting p-o'd at what this list has to deal with, Chris L. ps. anyone found anything else out about RCM? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 10:25:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA27493; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:25:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:25:36 -0800 Message-ID: <36991767.215A@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:11:03 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z5aBX.0.Qj6.V2Fcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Christopher Loenthal wrote: > Doug -- word to the wise. Don't ask technical questions about the Newman > manchine on this forum. You wont get answers. You'll just be instructed > to buy his FUNDAMENTAL BOOK, call his home phone number, or just blindly > support him. And god forbid you should ever disagree with him... that > automatically makes you a MENTAL COWARD. Or worse, actually test something (like discussed in the list rules) and then you will hear that your less than objective, or intellectually dishonest. > getting p-o'd at what this list has to deal with, > Chris L. There must be some middle ground between being unmoderated and having our list rules raped by unsupported commercial spam. How about a referendum process with a democratic vote? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 14:38:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA10943; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:38:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:38:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:37:57 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Number of Participants? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990109123550.007aa100@mail.zebra.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"v6Gsr2.0.ug2.ClIcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Paul Rasp wrote: > Out of curiousity, how many subscribers are there to this list? I recently > subscribed for a short period but was unable to purge my inbox fast enough > with all the rediculous posts. Bill's page lists the number of subscribers > as of 11/27/96 at 285. Bill could you give us an update? Oops, I updated the "welcome" message but not the website. # of users Date 1 ....... 09/03/95 28 ....... 10/07/95 97 ....... 10/22/95 114 ....... 11/18/95 133 ....... 12/03/95 153 ....... 12/27/95 285 ....... 11/27/96 310 ....... 12/06/97 316 ....... 09/13/98 337 ....... 01/10/99 ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 14:59:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA18157; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:58:19 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Move the Newman Discussion off freenrg-L In-Reply-To: <36991767.215A@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kdODG1.0.aR4.j2Jcs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Newman Motor controversy seems severely off-topic and severly contentious, so let's end it for now. Obviously some people wish to follow up on the messages, otherwise there would BE no ongoing Newman discussion. We have several options: Stop all the mutual contempt and namecalling, and start discussing the details of actual measurements of the Newman motor. Joe Newman is not *ON* the list, so he is not bound by the rules, but Evan Soule is, therefor he should edit Joe's messages so they aren't violating the rules. "If your message is the least bit angry, hostile, or apt to be insulting, do not send it to freenrg-L." Move the discussion over to vortexB-L@eskimo.com (which has no rules or moderator, and is intended to give flamers a private forum to insult each other, where nobody else has to listen to it.) Subscribe just as you do to freenrg-L (send command to vortexb-request@eskimo.com) Move the debate to Evan Soule's Newman-motor list, if he agrees. Start another separate list on one of those free listserver services Remember this: FREENRG-L RULES ( WARNING! PLEASE READ! ) 1. NO FLAMEWARS: use private email for impolite messages. If your message is the least bit angry, hostile, or apt to be insulting, do not send it to freenrg-L. Instead, use private email to send it directly to your target. VIOLATORS RISK IMMEDIATE UNSUBSCRIPTION. If someone insults you, contact the moderator. See "Flamewars" below for details... FREENRG-L is for the discussion of experiments and devices which exhibit anomalous energy production (or consumption!), or which violate currently-accepted physics theory... ******************************************************************** FLAMEWARS Email psychology has an interesting effect: it breeds long outbursts of angry messages between two or more parties. To prevent these "flamewars", I must prohibit all impolite messages. This has some consequences. For example, if someone attacks you or insults you, you must abandon any hope of defending yourself in front of the group. Instead, defend yourself via private messages. Or, if someone blatantly violates the forum rules, you may NOT use the list to angrily point out their transgressions. Complain to the violator privately, or contact the moderator instead. "Politeness" and "insult" of course are in the eye of the beholder. I ask that people try not to take insult. But more importantly, I DEMAND that all users try to craft their messages so that the RECIPIENT won't take insult. Any complaints should be totally polite, respectful, emotionless, and non-accusatory, with no 'namecalling' whatsoever. Often this is impossible to do. The solution is very, VERY simple: SEND YOUR MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO YOUR OPPONENT, NOT TO FREENRG-L. When a flamewar breaks out, people usually blame a particular person for causing it, and they feel justified in responding. However, sending your angry response to freenrg-L is PROHIBITED. If you catch yourself thinking "well, he/she started, I was just defending myself," then since you easily find justification to violate rule #1 of this forum, you should not be here. Some wisdom regarding flaming... "Few people can be happy unless they hate some other person, nation or creed." - Bertrand Russell "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald Being too ready to defend oneself is more dangerous than being too ready to admit a mistake." - Sir Karl Popper "Truth often suffers more by the heat of its defenders than by the arguments of its opponents." - anon "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you. If you really make them think, they'll hate you." - D.R.P. Marquis(1878-1937) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 16:07:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07107; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:07:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:07:43 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:17:46 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vxaet3.0.vk1.E3Kcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >At 04:56 AM 1/9/99 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Dear Keith, >> >>Joseph Newman was kind enough to provide a reply to your above statement. >> >>Evan Soule' >> >> >> >>To: Keith Nagel >> >>I don't provide you with the names and telephone #'s for the reason that >>you ARE a hyena, as you admit. >> >>Joseph Westley Newman >> > >Oh, but it's not for me. > >As you know, I don't call people on the phone. > >No, they are for the list. This is so others can call and >confirm the fact that > >a) they exist. > >b) they are credentialed as indicated in the post. > >c) they can explain the testing that was done. > >Unless of course, we are ALL hyenas, in which case I question >the logic of Evan posting to the "pack". > >K. > >Hyena #1(laughing) To: Keith Nagel Self-Admitted, Laughing Hyena Joseph Newman's Challenge to Keith Nagel continues: ************************************************************ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net www.josephnewman.com Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people throughout the world. I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very appropriate at this time: "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" -- Albert Einstein Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest Challenge. What does that tell you? I am writing the following for the benefit of honest indivi- duals only. So that you may know the magnitude of the benefit of my life's work for humanity, I quote to you from my book, from the chapter on Quantum Mechanics, pages 71 and 72. The endorsement of the ideas presented are from several of the greatest scientists of this century ---- particularly Albert Einstein and Erwin Schrodinger: Einstein wrote to Max Born in 1926 (10 yrs.before my birth): "Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer...but I am convinced that God does not throw dice." And this position of the great scientists of the time was "most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger:" "Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is pos- sible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extrava- gance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better THAN THE MESS OF FORMULAS WHICH TODAY SURROUNDS OUR SUBJECT." (Emphasis added.) All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this century. Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] listen to my explanations and test my invention. These individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] The following is the Affidavit: AFFIDAVIT I ___________________________ readily admit that none of the great scientists of the past (including Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein) could provide a simple, mechanical explanation for the following: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I also readily admit that the answering of these questions by one simple, mechanical explanation wherein it proves that a magnetic field consists of particles MOVING at the speed of light ... then the world has a new source of energy --- a river of energy --- which is literally E=mc^2 on a 100% conversion basis that is non-polluting to the earth or life on the planet. I swear the above to be true: ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Educational Background: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can scientifically furnish any need. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Additional Comments by Joseph Newman: To all the mental cowards who oppose my life's work: My life's work is NOT FOR YOU! But for the honest and sincere people of the world, my work IS for you! My innovations are the result of thousands and thousands of hours and many years of study, experimentation, and deep questioning and thought. I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn it.] I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! It is laughable to me that these Mental Cowards make no attempt to fundamentally, explicitly and Mechanically explain ALL of the above-described phenomena with ONE Single Mechanical Explanation. I can do this and I have done this many years ago: my concept of the GYROSCOPIC PARTICLE. However, these Mental Cowards continually "run their mouths" and prove that they know nothing about such fundamental Mechanics or TRUE SCIENCE. Example: These "mediocre minds" (to refer to Einstein's terminology) even attempt to imply that water moves at close to the speed of light. Read below and you will see that they imply this ---- even thought they attempt to claim that they do not. These individuals can't even get right the statement taught long ago concerning this subject. Quoting again from Henry Jacobowitz, "Electricity Made Simple" (Columbia University, page 11): "Although the electrons drift through the wire at a relatively low speed, the DISTURBANCE or IMPULSE is TRANSMITTED ALMOST AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT." [Emphasis added.] Note:"Disturbance" is defined as: "SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS." "Impulse" is defined as: "A PUSH; MOMENTUM, IMPETUS." The conventional electron hypothesis has nothing to do with what I am talking about in a very fundamental mechanical sense, as attested to and described in my book, as well as what I am stating here. Note: If water had an IMPULSE even REMOTELY close to the SPEED OF LIGHT, then it would penetrate STEEL! One knows that this is not true unless millions of pounds of pressure per square inch can be applied. All water moves from its container relative to the AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT IS APPLIED BEHIND IT. Note: The water at your home faucet does not come from your faucet at all "fast" relative to that which I have described. And examine this Fact: a tsunami from an earth- quake has tremendous "Impulse" --- yet it does not travel at even the speed of sound. Need I say more? If one takes a conductor and moves it even at a "snail's pace" at right angles to a magnetic field, then the current (consisting of GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES [see page 77 of my fundamental book]) moves with "DISTURBANCE" and "IMPULSE" down the conductor at "almost the speed of light". The honest people who read this can understand that I have no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf also benefits Humanity. Honest people should understand that I am preparing for production of my life's work with ALL HASTE. Until such Mental Cowards meet my honest and sincere Challenge, I will concentrate on such production and not waste my time with such untruthful "MEDIOCRE MINDS", which Albert Einstein so accurately described. Accordingly, because of my love and respect for Evan Soule' (who has worked with dedication on my behalf for over 15 years), I have asked that he send (as often as necessary) this Statement to every "MEDIOCRE MIND" who chooses to attack him, myself, and/or my life's work, but will NOT accept my Honest Challenge. God has taught me ALL THAT I KNOW, and I, You, Humanity, and the Will of God will Win, this year of 1999. --- Joseph Westley Newman ************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 16:07:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07144; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:07:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:07:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:17:51 -0600 To: "Free Energy" From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's challenge Cc: "R. A. Davis" Resent-Message-ID: <"2xfV-3.0.Sl1.H3Kcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >What the heck, Bob, I think you should take up the challenge. 'Cause it's >the MANLY thing to do. >You should insist the debate be outside of Scottsdale to make it harder for >Mr. Newman to pad the audience with his supporters. I think Tombstone would >be a good place--a Scientific Showdown at the O.K. Corral! >Your best chance of winning is to keep the technical stuff at a minimum, so >as not to lose the audience. Talking loud is more effective. >We settle this thing the democratic way, by populer vote. The People will >decide which sort of Physics they want, and an obedient Universe will >rearrange itself to run along those lines. >A tie vote could be decided by scientific comparison of the sizes of each >man's genitalia. >One man walks away with $20,000. The other crawls off into the desert. The >Universe starts operating again. And this newsgroup stops getting bogged >down with all this junk email. >R. A. Davis TO: "R.A. DAVIS": The Debate will be held in the Phoenix area and anyone who implies that the People of this area would lie for me, are liars themselves. Joseph Westley Newman My Challenge to you: ************************************************************ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net www.josephnewman.com Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people throughout the world. I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very appropriate at this time: "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" -- Albert Einstein Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest Challenge. What does that tell you? I am writing the following for the benefit of honest indivi- duals only. So that you may know the magnitude of the benefit of my life's work for humanity, I quote to you from my book, from the chapter on Quantum Mechanics, pages 71 and 72. The endorsement of the ideas presented are from several of the greatest scientists of this century ---- particularly Albert Einstein and Erwin Schrodinger: Einstein wrote to Max Born in 1926 (10 yrs.before my birth): "Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer...but I am convinced that God does not throw dice." And this position of the great scientists of the time was "most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger:" "Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is pos- sible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extrava- gance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better THAN THE MESS OF FORMULAS WHICH TODAY SURROUNDS OUR SUBJECT." (Emphasis added.) All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this century. Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] listen to my explanations and test my invention. These individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] The following is the Affidavit: AFFIDAVIT I ___________________________ readily admit that none of the great scientists of the past (including Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein) could provide a simple, mechanical explanation for the following: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I also readily admit that the answering of these questions by one simple, mechanical explanation wherein it proves that a magnetic field consists of particles MOVING at the speed of light ... then the world has a new source of energy --- a river of energy --- which is literally E=mc^2 on a 100% conversion basis that is non-polluting to the earth or life on the planet. I swear the above to be true: ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Educational Background: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can scientifically furnish any need. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Additional Comments by Joseph Newman: To all the mental cowards who oppose my life's work: My life's work is NOT FOR YOU! But for the honest and sincere people of the world, my work IS for you! My innovations are the result of thousands and thousands of hours and many years of study, experimentation, and deep questioning and thought. I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn it.] I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! It is laughable to me that these Mental Cowards make no attempt to fundamentally, explicitly and Mechanically explain ALL of the above-described phenomena with ONE Single Mechanical Explanation. I can do this and I have done this many years ago: my concept of the GYROSCOPIC PARTICLE. However, these Mental Cowards continually "run their mouths" and prove that they know nothing about such fundamental Mechanics or TRUE SCIENCE. Example: These "mediocre minds" (to refer to Einstein's terminology) even attempt to imply that water moves at close to the speed of light. Read below and you will see that they imply this ---- even thought they attempt to claim that they do not. These individuals can't even get right the statement taught long ago concerning this subject. Quoting again from Henry Jacobowitz, "Electricity Made Simple" (Columbia University, page 11): "Although the electrons drift through the wire at a relatively low speed, the DISTURBANCE or IMPULSE is TRANSMITTED ALMOST AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT." [Emphasis added.] Note:"Disturbance" is defined as: "SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS." "Impulse" is defined as: "A PUSH; MOMENTUM, IMPETUS." The conventional electron hypothesis has nothing to do with what I am talking about in a very fundamental mechanical sense, as attested to and described in my book, as well as what I am stating here. Note: If water had an IMPULSE even REMOTELY close to the SPEED OF LIGHT, then it would penetrate STEEL! One knows that this is not true unless millions of pounds of pressure per square inch can be applied. All water moves from its container relative to the AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT IS APPLIED BEHIND IT. Note: The water at your home faucet does not come from your faucet at all "fast" relative to that which I have described. And examine this Fact: a tsunami from an earth- quake has tremendous "Impulse" --- yet it does not travel at even the speed of sound. Need I say more? If one takes a conductor and moves it even at a "snail's pace" at right angles to a magnetic field, then the current (consisting of GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES [see page 77 of my fundamental book]) moves with "DISTURBANCE" and "IMPULSE" down the conductor at "almost the speed of light". The honest people who read this can understand that I have no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf also benefits Humanity. Honest people should understand that I am preparing for production of my life's work with ALL HASTE. Until such Mental Cowards meet my honest and sincere Challenge, I will concentrate on such production and not waste my time with such untruthful "MEDIOCRE MINDS", which Albert Einstein so accurately described. Accordingly, because of my love and respect for Evan Soule' (who has worked with dedication on my behalf for over 15 years), I have asked that he send (as often as necessary) this Statement to every "MEDIOCRE MIND" who chooses to attack him, myself, and/or my life's work, but will NOT accept my Honest Challenge. God has taught me ALL THAT I KNOW, and I, You, Humanity, and the Will of God will Win, this year of 1999. --- Joseph Westley Newman ************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 16:08:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07342; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:08:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:08:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:18:06 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"NNaSf2.0.Vo1.Y3Kcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >joe newman has a habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack and giving >them nothing in return. ask him about his FIRST go round when he lived in the >bayou in Louisiana with the 'gators and the yahoos. people who invested in him >them never got anything in return. he's not what he says he is. > TO: PENGWYNNES@aol.com >From whom did Joseph Newman "take" $5k and "give them nothing in return?" When did Joseph Newman live in Louisiana? News to me. Evan Soule' > >This does seem to be the general consensus here. Mr. Newman has lost >the >battle for public opinion on this forum. > >Small wonder Mr. Newman and Mr. Soule will not address the facts before >a scientifically knowledgable group. They seem to prefer to fleece the >general population rather than deal with facts and experimental reality. > >As Mr. Soule's self described 'intellectual honesty' extends to dropping >anyone >who questions Mr. Newman's claims from the Newman list and expunging >their posts, I have to really question Mr. Soule's claims that he is not >profiting from all this. > >Clearly birds of a feather do flock together. >Bob Shannon Dear Mr. Shannon: Since you have publicly accused Joseph Newman of "fleecing". I find your accusation despicable. To "fleece" is defined as "to strip of money by fraud or extortion." If you are publicly accusing Joseph Newman of "fraud or extortion" then I would suggest that you have the Facts to support your accusation in a Court of Law. The following is the mailing address for Joseph Newman: 11445 East Via Linda, Ste. 2416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 And, thanking you in advance for providing the following: Mr. Shannon, what is your personal telephone number and mailing address? Joseph Newman's Challenge to you, Bob Shannon: ************************************************************ NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net www.josephnewman.com Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Once again, I write for the benefit of the honest people throughout the world. I recently received a very complimentary letter from a truth seeking, scientific-minded individual who was nice enough to provide a quotation from Albert Einstein that is very appropriate at this time: "GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS. THE MEDIOCRE MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MAN WHO REFUSES TO BOW BLINDLY TO CONVENTIONAL PREJUDICES AND CHOOSES INSTEAD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS COURAGEOUSLY AND HONESTLY" -- Albert Einstein Several individuals who choose to attack my work are "coming out of the woodwork at this time" ---- and they are going to be exposed as the Mental Cowards that they are. These indi- viduals are Mental Cowards because they attack my work, yet are unwilling to meet my Challenge to debate them. Such individuals are also Mental Cowards because they attack Evan Soule', an editor and historian, whose great-great- grandfather founded Soule' College in Louisiana in 1856. I once again challenge such Mental Cowards ---- who group together as cowards always do ---- and bring $10,000.00 to Phoenix to debate with me the basics of electromagnetism. I will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. These Mental Cowards will not accept my sincere and honest Challenge. What does that tell you? I am writing the following for the benefit of honest indivi- duals only. So that you may know the magnitude of the benefit of my life's work for humanity, I quote to you from my book, from the chapter on Quantum Mechanics, pages 71 and 72. The endorsement of the ideas presented are from several of the greatest scientists of this century ---- particularly Albert Einstein and Erwin Schrodinger: Einstein wrote to Max Born in 1926 (10 yrs.before my birth): "Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The theory has much to offer...but I am convinced that God does not throw dice." And this position of the great scientists of the time was "most eloquently described by Erwin Schrodinger:" "Many maintain that no objective picture of reality is pos- sible. However, the optimists among us (of whom I consider myself one) look upon this view as a philosophical extrava- gance born of despair. We hope that the present fluctuations of thinking are only indications of an upheaval of old beliefs which in the end will lead to something better THAN THE MESS OF FORMULAS WHICH TODAY SURROUNDS OUR SUBJECT." (Emphasis added.) All of the naysayers not only attack the most important ac- complishments of my life's work, given to me by God for humanity. They also speak against the predictions, hopes, and dreams of several of the greatest scientists of this century. Contrary to some mental cowards who claim that I am unwilling to have my newest machine tested: I have already had two engineers [on Sunday, January 3, 1999 travel from Texas] and a U.S.A.F. Test Pilot [on Mon., January 4, 1999] listen to my explanations and test my invention. These individuals have each (three times --- see below) signed and attested to the MAGNITUDE OF MY LIFE'S WORK [Note: Mental cowards who choose to attack and/or ridicule my life's work choose to hide behind their anonymity and/or refuse to accept my Challenge to Debate with me.] The following is the Affidavit: AFFIDAVIT I ___________________________ readily admit that none of the great scientists of the past (including Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, or Einstein) could provide a simple, mechanical explanation for the following: 1) Why magnets attract and repel. 2) Why does an electric current go down a conductor wire at a speed approaching that of light when one moves at a "SNAIL'S SPEED" a conductor at right angles to the magnetic lines of force? 3) How does the current "know" which way to go when one moves a conductor up at right angles to a Magnetic Field and the current goes in one direction at a speed approaching that of light? 4) Why, if the conductor is pushed DOWN, the current goes in the OPPOSITE direction at a speed approaching that of light? 5) Why, if the magnetic field is REVERSED, the direction of the current reverses? 6) Why, if one pushes the conductor up and down PARALLEL to the lines of force of a magnetic field, one gets NOTHING, NO MATTER HOW FAST ONE MOVES THE CONDUCTOR? 7) Why does light behave like a PARTICLE when travelling through a large hole, but when travelling through a very small hole it acts as a WAVE? I also readily admit that the answering of these questions by one simple, mechanical explanation wherein it proves that a magnetic field consists of particles MOVING at the speed of light ... then the world has a new source of energy --- a river of energy --- which is literally E=mc^2 on a 100% conversion basis that is non-polluting to the earth or life on the planet. I swear the above to be true: ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Educational Background: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I also swear that Joseph Westley Newman has accomplished these significant, scientific, simple, mechanical explana- tions with the simple mechanical laws of a GYROSCOPE and proving that the Gyroscopic Particles are the essence of E=mc^2 and a new source of energy. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ I have also tested Joseph Westley Newman's Production Prototype and proved that it operates on only 540 watts input and more than 1100 watts Motor output, making the Newman Motor more than 200% efficient, and scaled-up can scientifically furnish any need. ____________________________ (Name). Date: _________________ Additional Comments by Joseph Newman: To all the mental cowards who oppose my life's work: My life's work is NOT FOR YOU! But for the honest and sincere people of the world, my work IS for you! My innovations are the result of thousands and thousands of hours and many years of study, experimentation, and deep questioning and thought. I am fed up with cowardly and untruthful comments from individuals who only RUN THEIR MOUTH about wanting to help, but their nitpicking actions prove otherwise. [This statement does NOT apply to those sincere people who are honestly studying my work and sincerely endeavoring to learn it.] I have previously issued an Open and Honest Challenge to such Mental Cowards. Either PUT UP or SHUT UP! It is laughable to me that these Mental Cowards make no attempt to fundamentally, explicitly and Mechanically explain ALL of the above-described phenomena with ONE Single Mechanical Explanation. I can do this and I have done this many years ago: my concept of the GYROSCOPIC PARTICLE. However, these Mental Cowards continually "run their mouths" and prove that they know nothing about such fundamental Mechanics or TRUE SCIENCE. Example: These "mediocre minds" (to refer to Einstein's terminology) even attempt to imply that water moves at close to the speed of light. Read below and you will see that they imply this ---- even thought they attempt to claim that they do not. These individuals can't even get right the statement taught long ago concerning this subject. Quoting again from Henry Jacobowitz, "Electricity Made Simple" (Columbia University, page 11): "Although the electrons drift through the wire at a relatively low speed, the DISTURBANCE or IMPULSE is TRANSMITTED ALMOST AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT." [Emphasis added.] Note:"Disturbance" is defined as: "SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS." "Impulse" is defined as: "A PUSH; MOMENTUM, IMPETUS." The conventional electron hypothesis has nothing to do with what I am talking about in a very fundamental mechanical sense, as attested to and described in my book, as well as what I am stating here. Note: If water had an IMPULSE even REMOTELY close to the SPEED OF LIGHT, then it would penetrate STEEL! One knows that this is not true unless millions of pounds of pressure per square inch can be applied. All water moves from its container relative to the AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT IS APPLIED BEHIND IT. Note: The water at your home faucet does not come from your faucet at all "fast" relative to that which I have described. And examine this Fact: a tsunami from an earth- quake has tremendous "Impulse" --- yet it does not travel at even the speed of sound. Need I say more? If one takes a conductor and moves it even at a "snail's pace" at right angles to a magnetic field, then the current (consisting of GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES [see page 77 of my fundamental book]) moves with "DISTURBANCE" and "IMPULSE" down the conductor at "almost the speed of light". The honest people who read this can understand that I have no respect with "MEDIOCRE MINDS" and MENTAL COWARDS who tremble with fear at the thought of accepting my honest Challenge. But as a gang of hyenas they will attack and ridicule my good friend Evan Soule', whose work on my behalf also benefits Humanity. Honest people should understand that I am preparing for production of my life's work with ALL HASTE. Until such Mental Cowards meet my honest and sincere Challenge, I will concentrate on such production and not waste my time with such untruthful "MEDIOCRE MINDS", which Albert Einstein so accurately described. Accordingly, because of my love and respect for Evan Soule' (who has worked with dedication on my behalf for over 15 years), I have asked that he send (as often as necessary) this Statement to every "MEDIOCRE MIND" who chooses to attack him, myself, and/or my life's work, but will NOT accept my Honest Challenge. God has taught me ALL THAT I KNOW, and I, You, Humanity, and the Will of God will Win, this year of 1999. --- Joseph Westley Newman ************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 18:08:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA10593; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:08:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:08:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3699785A.6784B18F@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:04:42 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Thoughts... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vpntq3.0.Qb2.QqLcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All: I've been following this Newman machine controversy for quite a long time. All I can say for it it that we are no closer to the truth of the matter, but have simply got ourselves 'riled up' over disinformation. Several points I'd like to address: 1. Bob Shannon's results: Bob Shannon conducted an experiment related to Newman's teachings, and had negative results. So they didn't support Joe Newman. Big deal! At least Bob was good enough to do an experiment, rather than sit around and argue all day long, and post the same informationless rantings that so many (Newman, and others) keep posting. If you don't like Bob's results, then I suggest you either do the experiment, and point out EXACTLY how and where he went wrong (assuming he did), and how he can make it right, or shut up. Don't go posting incredible claims if you aren't going to explain how to perform the experiment. Follow the footsteps of Jean-Louis Naudin, Dave Dameron, Bob Shannon, John Schnurer, etc. I've seen some strange things before, but I am not ready to post how to replicate them, so I won't make claims. 2. Circular posts: Several people here have posted legitimate questions regarding the Newman situation. All we get in response is "PRESS RELEASE FROM JOSEPH NEWMAN...etc. etc." Posting once is good enough. A second time, maybe acceptable. But five or six times is downright ridiculous. Evan: if you are not going to answer questions, then simply say so, and stop wasting bandwidth and people's time. The same goes for the counter-flamers. 3. Calling Joe: Evan has posted Joe's number many times. If you want answers, or at least to try and get them, then why not stop this "he said, she said," and just call Joe Newman? So what if he doesn't tell you what you want to know? Is that going to kill you? All it will cost you are a few minutes of your time, and maybe a slight long distance charge. If you don't want to invest something as small as that, then you shouldn't be posting here in the first place. And at least then you could say "I tried." 4. Truth: People don't decide what is true. Not even the majority of scientists should decide what is true. The truth will eventually come to light. Scientists are people too, and most of the time they have their own predjudices. I have mine, you have yours. I've faced opposition many times because I don't agree with the causality violation solutions of faster than light effects...I believe that they are causal. But I don't know yet, because I haven't tried sending signals faster than light. Yet. The same way with the professionals. They don't know everything. We don't know everything there is to know about the universe yet! Trying to decide by majority vote is not only ridiculous, it is just plain stupid. There is a saying, I can't remember who said it, but it goes like this: "The truth is not socially constructed...but lies can be." 5. Moderation?: I've usually stood up for people being able to express themselves as much as they like, in the manner they choose. But I don't support anarchy! That's exactly what this is: anarchy. We have rules to go by, look at Bill Beaty's page on Freenrg-L. I'm beginning to wonder if moderation, at least for the moment, is such a bad thing. Maybe it isn't. Finally, I don't know how well this will make you think of me...maybe this is a flame, I don't know. I'm seriously considering taking a leave from the list. There is good, but it is submerged in a sea of disinformation and namecalling. I think perhaps it is time to put this list back on the straight and narrow path. Regards, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 18:34:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA20383; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:34:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:34:28 -0800 Message-ID: <00f901be3d0a$f32666a0$afec060c@dlackey> From: "davelook" To: "FREE ENERGY" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:34:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"zDc6E3.0.K-4.pCMcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can anybody point me to a site with detailed plans for building a high-voltage static electricity generator, Van de Graf or other? Thanks, Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 21:03:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA14884; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:03:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:03:09 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:15:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Newman's challenge Message-ID: <19990111.000157.-390351.0.whitedogg1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-11 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: whitedogg1@juno.com (Scott L Edwards) Resent-Message-ID: <"FdJm31.0.Ne3.COOcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I agree with you joseph. these guys are blowing enough hot air to power a thousand stirling engines! May i suggest one more thing to keep the meeting on the same theme as this newsgroup... A picnic lunch of SPAM!!! Touche'! :)~ Sincerely yours, Scott inventor of the one-moving-part steam generator ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 21:49:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30019; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:49:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:49:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be3d25$b71762c0$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:38:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lrZGZ3.0.uK7.X3Pcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan Evan I challenge Mr Newman to perform the following 11 simple steps: 1. Connect a generator to the output of his motor shaft. 2. Use the output of the generator to power his motor (using whatever conversion neccy) 3. Place the complete unit on an uncovered table in the middle of a large field 4. Start the operation using a hand-crank 5. Arrange a tachometer to measure the system RPM 6. Verify the arrangement works then:- 7. Get an electronics professor from a large institution and a professional magician to verify that there is no cheating. 8. Get a film crew from, say, Discovery Channel to tape the whole system running for 4 hours or so with no significant drop in RPM. 9. Get everyone involved to sign an Affidavit that Mr Newman is indeed superior to everyone else. (Oh - and that the PM machine actually works and humanity has a future) 10. Publish your complete final design so we can all make one. 11. Take pleasure in the fact that your name will be remembered and taught worldwide long after your death. This will accomplish far more than quotations, challenges and insults and requires no special or expensive measuring equipment. I realise that many great minds also border on insanity. It is up to Joseph to prove his theory to the world. Best regards David Callaghan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 10 22:18:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA04351; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:17:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:17:54 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thoughts... Message-Id: <916035439.23964.610@excite.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:17:19 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"UDxa7.0.s31.HUPcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Not many people have these air core copper magnetic coils to experiment with, much less the time and money to construct a magnetic rotor and commutator. My approach is more pragmatic. Sometime this year I hope to build an electrolysis device in the coil space. Capacitor plates will run parallel to the magnetic field establishing the condition of a magnetic field being at right angles to the electric. This should establish a lorentz reaction that will allow a pulsing effect when current is sent along a path at right angles to both fields. The idea behind this thought is to resonate the coils at 60 hz.; allowing the "water capacitor" to partake of a portion of the energy available in the electric field caused by resonance.I am banking that these conditions may increase the efficiency of the electrolysis process, especially after additional methods are tried using high frequency. Sincerly HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 02:48:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA27146; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:48:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:48:29 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 40% Overunity Message-Id: <916051685.23371.485@excite.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:48:05 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"2XiGV2.0.3e6.zRTcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have posted an argument for 40% overunity at the following messageboard. www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 Comments here or there are welcome. I would like to see the error of my thinking if it indeed does exist. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 08:50:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA19852; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:50:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:50:17 -0800 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:48:13 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thoughts... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"uln8J.0.5s4.8lYcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: BRAVO! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 10:41:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00755; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:40:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:40:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:50:47 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"xttE_3.0.cB.cMacs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Evan > >Evan > > I challenge Mr Newman to perform the following 11 simple steps: > >1. Connect a generator to the output of his motor shaft. >2. Use the output of the generator to power his motor (using whatever >conversion neccy) >3. Place the complete unit on an uncovered table in the middle of a large >field >4. Start the operation using a hand-crank >5. Arrange a tachometer to measure the system RPM >6. Verify the arrangement works then:- >7. Get an electronics professor from a large institution and a >professional magician to verify that there is no cheating. >8. Get a film crew from, say, Discovery Channel to tape the whole system >running for 4 hours or so with no significant drop in RPM. >9. Get everyone involved to sign an Affidavit that Mr Newman is indeed >superior to everyone else. (Oh - and that the PM machine actually works and >humanity has a future) >10. Publish your complete final design so we can all make one. >11. Take pleasure in the fact that your name will be remembered and taught >worldwide long after your death. > >This will accomplish far more than quotations, challenges and insults and >requires no special or expensive measuring equipment. > >I realise that many great minds also border on insanity. It is up to Joseph >to prove his theory to the world. > >Best regards > >David Callaghan Dear David, In deference to our list-owner's recommendation, if you would like to continue the thread privately, fine. Best regards, Evan Soule' "The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronicle an event probably greater than any other recorded in the human race!" --- NIKOLA TESLA "The First Law of Thermodynamics proves that the implications of the Second Law of Thermodynamics are incorrect!" --- JOSEPH NEWMAN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 14:34:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21873; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:34:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:34:08 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <916051685.23371.485@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:32:46 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: 40% Overunity Resent-Message-ID: <"ZEKXk3.0.fL5.Vndcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey - > I would like to see the error of my thinking if it indeed does exist. It doesn't exist; you admit that implicitly in your message. And I guess it's also not worth discussing since you couldn't even be bothered to outline the idea here. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 15:26:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12665; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:25:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:25:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000701be3db9$ac75d4c0$12ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Searching project ! Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:51:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GQeA82.0.k53.pXecs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefano, Sorry for the long delay, my computer has been out of whack. > >Many thanks for the answers! > >On next weekend I'll try to experiment with the circuit... >It seems to be a strange circuit... Not resonating as an usual electronic >project, but nevertheless interesting. Hmm, of course I am very interested to hear results on that. I like to hear the details :-) What the circuit does on the bench may not say much about what it does with the grounding rod and the ball. Thnaks for trying it out, I always wondered if there was anything to it :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 16:51:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16686; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:51:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:51:32 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:55:39 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The INE Website has just been updated! Resent-Message-ID: <"b1PU23.0.d44.Jofcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All new revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Jan. 11, 1999 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 6, No. 6, November 1998 How To Fund New-Energy Great Losses To Our Field (Hans Nieper and Ben Iverson) Cold Fusion Real? Nuclear Solutions: Radwaste Process Report On Infinite Energy's New Energy / Cold Fusion Symposium - 1998 Institute For New Energy-Technologies Meeting - 1998 The Swiss Methernitha M-L Converter Space Energy Journal, Sept 1998 Oil Companies Agenda? A Novel Way To Get Donations Reactionless Propulsion and Active Force, by Alex Frolov Ramar Pillai Herbal Fuel Letter From Evan Soule; Data from Experimenter Jean-Louis Naudin of France Added: List Of Reports And Videos For Sale on the Antigravity News Website Updated: Subjects and Authors Websites Site Counter = 320,082 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 16:52:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16875; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:51:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:51:46 -0800 From: PENGWYNNES@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:48:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: newman Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"ahOP-.0.Z74.Yofcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'd love to know if joe newman took money from people before and never delivered anything in return. i suspect it's all a scam. i love callaghan's idea. but newman will never have the guts to do it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 18:44:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA31364; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:43:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:43:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000301be3dd5$91e53a80$6d5cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: , "KeelyNet Discussion List" Subject: CSETI overunity update Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:45:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"57IUg1.0.zf7.BRhcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I just heard on Art Bell's show that there's a snag in the story of the overunity device that CSETI was going to reveal. During one of their tests, it generated so much energy that it damaged some of its components. They hope to have it repaired and tested in several weeks, and then go ahead with their plans to submit it to outside groups for testing. -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 20:39:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA10279; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:38:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:38:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:48:39 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Reply to "PENGWYNNES" Resent-Message-ID: <"snfqL2.0.SW2.F7jcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I'd love to know if joe newman took money from people before and never >delivered anything in return. i suspect it's all a scam. i love callaghan's >idea. but newman will never have the guts to do it. >PENGWYNNES In deference to our list-owner's recommendation, if you would like to continue the thread privately, fine. Evan Soule' "The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronicle an event probably greater than any other recorded in the human race!" --- NIKOLA TESLA "An ELECTRIC CURRENT mechanically consists of 'negative' and 'positive' gyroscopic massergies having opposite spins and travelling in the SAME direction down a conductor wire." --- JOSEPH NEWMAN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 11 21:11:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA22755; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:11:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:11:25 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01be3dea$49cd8580$8ca645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: "Free Energy list" Subject: HF induced transparency Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:13:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"v2lON2.0.SZ5.ybjcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A while ago, i seem to recall someone posting a url about hf currents kaking metals transperent. Could you please repost it? thanks. Psy-Kosh From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 00:54:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA21818; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:53:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:53:48 -0800 Message-ID: <369AFEEA.853A9F06@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:51:06 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: VISUALLY breaking sound barrier References: <000301be3dd5$91e53a80$6d5cadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z_mop.0.pK5.Rsmcs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.artbell.com/images/jetbarrier.jpg cool pic! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 17:47:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24238; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:47:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:47:31 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Earth Resonance Message-Id: <916192022.18277.648@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:47:02 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Okry13.0.dw5.pi_cs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect this. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do a high frequency gig and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group of freenrg-l@eskimo.com Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web site ect. I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could advance the free energy field,to name a few. Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL VALIDATION. Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal (corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now the rest of the story. He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not be relevant. Sincerly HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 18:27:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA04291; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:26:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:26:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990112213422.00cd8c20@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:34:25 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9cP9v2.0.h21.GH0ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Meat, welcome back. I'm confused. When last you posted you were describing a rather interesting circuit which was being made to oscillate between series and parallel resonance. Why don't you post a bit more on it? It sounded like a good idea. K. By the way, if you use web based email, best write the post in Notepad or some such ASCII editor and copy and paste into the textedit screen on the browser. Once burnt twice wary... At 05:47 PM 1/12/99 PST, you wrote: >Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that >the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 >pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect >this. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do >a high frequency gig and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I >never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. > So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers >which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own >ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group >of freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free >energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web >site ect. >I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of >us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could >advance the free energy field,to name a few. > Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement >and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? >But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good >results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL >VALIDATION. > Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT >TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses >this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for >the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal >(corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now >the rest of the story. > He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to >excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on >my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send >button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. >I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I >couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. > I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the >recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When >I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not >be relevant. >Sincerly HDN > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 19:55:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA02666; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:54:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:54:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199901130313.VAA23380@neon.prysm.net> From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: Subject: static generator Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:02:31 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE3E6E.DEE31020" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IhYUg3.0.Zf.tZ1ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE3E6E.DEE31020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Double your money by folding it inhalf and putting it back in your pocket" Source: My Dad... ------=_NextPart_000_01BE3E6E.DEE31020 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Static generator.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: Static generator (Internet E-Mail Message) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Static generator.eml" From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: , Subject: Static generator Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:38:49 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, I have a 98' Rohn tower here for ham radio use. I put barb = wire starting at close to the top of the tower down to about 3' from the ground insulated from the tower and earth using glass insulaters. Starting out with a 1 quart leyden jar when humidity was low, sounded like a 22 pistol being shot every couple of hours. Humidity is a=20 problem in my area most of the time. But when it is low, expect alot of static. For folks in a low humidity areas, I would suggest trying this = experiment with wire=20 attached to balloons. The higher the better. Regards, Robert H. = Calloway =20 =20 "Double your money by folding it inhalf and putting it back in your = pocket" = =20 Source: My Dad... ------=_NextPart_000_01BE3E6E.DEE31020-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 19:58:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA11866; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:56:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Message-Id: <916198680.5524.419@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:38:00 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lwChp2.0.Hv2.vb1ds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:34:25 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > Hi Meat, welcome back. > > I'm confused. When last you posted you were describing > a rather interesting circuit which was being made > to oscillate between series and parallel resonance. > Why don't you post a bit more on it? It sounded like > a good idea. > > K. > > By the way, if you use web based email, best write > the post in Notepad or some such ASCII editor and > copy and paste into the textedit screen on the > browser. Once burnt twice wary... > > > At 05:47 PM 1/12/99 PST, you wrote: > >Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that > >the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 > >pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect > >this. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do > >a high frequency gig and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I > >never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. > > So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers > >which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own > >ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group > >of freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free > >energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web > >site ect. > >I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of > >us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could > >advance the free energy field,to name a few. > > Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement > >and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? > >But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good > >results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL > >VALIDATION. > > Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT > >TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses > >this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for > >the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal > >(corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now > >the rest of the story. > > He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to > >excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on > >my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send > >button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. > >I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I > >couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. > > I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the > >recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When > >I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not > >be relevant. > >Sincerly HDN > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 21:35:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA31258; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:35:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:35:12 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Message-Id: <916205685.22919.524@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:34:45 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"1snVR3.0.Ie7.F23ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:34:25 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > Hi Meat, welcome back. > > I'm confused. When last you posted you were describing > a rather interesting circuit which was being made > to oscillate between series and parallel resonance. > Why don't you post a bit more on it? It sounded like > a good idea. >Just did make a reply: once again my operation timed out and I am wasting my time and yours. This is the second time I tryed and I ignored the warning you gave me. I need to go outside and explode something.Fuck it, its useless, I resign. > K. > > By the way, if you use web based email, best write > the post in Notepad or some such ASCII editor and > copy and paste into the textedit screen on the > browser. Once burnt twice wary... > > > At 05:47 PM 1/12/99 PST, you wrote: > >Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that > >the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 > >pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect > >this. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do > >a high frequency gig and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I > >never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. > > So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers > >which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own > >ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group > >of freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free > >energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web > >site ect. > >I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of > >us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could > >advance the free energy field,to name a few. > > Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement > >and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? > >But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good > >results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL > >VALIDATION. > > Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT > >TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses > >this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for > >the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal > >(corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now > >the rest of the story. > > He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to > >excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on > >my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send > >button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. > >I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I > >couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. > > I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the > >recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When > >I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not > >be relevant. > >Sincerly HDN > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 21:42:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02931; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:42:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:42:21 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: "Harvey Norris" , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Message-Id: <916206114.8520.692@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:41:54 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"hBVRv1.0.ij.y83ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:38:00 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:34:25 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > > > Hi Meat, welcome back. > > > > I'm confused. When last you posted you were describing > > a rather interesting circuit which was being made > > to oscillate between series and parallel resonance. > > Why don't you post a bit more on it? It sounded like > > a good idea. > > > > K. > > > > By the way, if you use web based email, best write > > the post in Notepad or some such ASCII editor and > > copy and paste into the textedit screen on the > > browser. Once burnt twice wary... > > > > > > At 05:47 PM 1/12/99 PST, you wrote: > > >Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows > that > > >the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to > 10 > > >pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to > detect > > >this. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to > do > > >a high frequency gig and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but > I > > >never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was > brief. > > > So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our > readers > > >which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their > own > > >ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this > group > > >of freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free > > >energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own > web > > >site ect. > > >I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all > of > > >us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could > > >advance the free energy field,to name a few. > > > Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for > amusement > > >and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? > > >But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the > good > > >results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL > > >VALIDATION. > > > Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name > MEAT > > >TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses > > >this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays > for > > >the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal > > >(corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And > now > > >the rest of the story. > > > He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go > to > > >excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info > on > > >my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the > send > > >button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login > again. > > >I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I > > >couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. > > > I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the > > >recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. > When > > >I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may > not > > >be relevant. > > >Sincerly HDN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 21:55:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA09810; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:54:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:54:32 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: FBI Message-Id: <916206840.10221.537@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:54:00 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rLlEG3.0.7P2.NK3ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8477 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Any one needing the services of this bureau can be reached by dialing 216-522-1400 I just called them and its true. And if your operation is timed out you can call them for re-assurance HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 22:32:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA24648; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:32:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:32:27 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: "Harvey Norris" , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FBI Message-Id: <916209121.1175.288@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:32:01 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ecdU12.0.y06.xt3ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8478 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:54:00 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: > Any one needing the services of this bureau can be reached by dialing > 216-522-1400 > I just called them and its true. And if your operation is timed out you can > call them for > re-assurance HDN > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 12 23:54:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22100; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:53:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:53:00 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <68622b7e.369c50b0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:52:16 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Your PC can Test circuits 4 before U build them Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"pgBJo2.0.DP5.S35ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8479 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thinking about electronic circuits and building them to see how they work is great but if the project is experimental it could be costly, time and money wise. 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Professional EWB | Personal EWB | Educational EWB | PCB Layout Free Demo | Corporate Profile | Technical Support | Home From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 00:09:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA28581; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:09:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:09:03 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Apologies to List Message-Id: <916214920.17328.482@excite.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:08:40 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bHJ6M3.0.N-6.UI5ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8480 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:34:25 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > Hi Meat, welcome back. > > I'm confused. When last you posted you were describing > a rather interesting circuit which was being made > to oscillate between series and parallel resonance. > Why don't you post a bit more on it? It sounded like > a good idea. > > K. > > By the way, if you use web based email, best write > the post in Notepad or some such ASCII editor and > copy and paste into the textedit screen on the > browser. Once burnt twice wary... It seems that I have got a little carried away with explanations and lost my tempour. Our family has had some problems and when I saw the FBI number it got mixed in the mail. Please dont call them. Iwish to discuss a simple thing to start with, which is the implication of a double negative, which of course is a positive. What is meant by two currents going in opposite directions in AC simply means the term "180 DEGREES OUT OF PHASE" If it were possible to reverse the prongs when you plug in an appliance, you understand what I am talking about. I am pushing forward an explanation of this 4 phase system; and part of this explanation is intricably involved in this beginning which many may consider nonscense, but bear with me and listen. Each of those AC currents that are opposite or 180 degrees out of phase could be sent to 2 different coils each producing a magnetic field in space. Those two coils could be placed together at the poles in two different arrangements,either in magnetic agreement or opposition. It may seem a simple thing that these coils never had to be placed together in magnetic unison by currents in opposite direction by simply reversing a coil; when in fact the same effect might have been accomplished by two currents going in the same direction placed on identically wound coils sharing the magnetic field. In fact the reader may begin to wonder why there is even a difference. Shine on you crazy diamond and I will explain the difference. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 00:28:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA02369; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:28:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:28:05 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Shine on crazy diamond. Message-Id: <916216062.823.756@excite.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:27:42 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"8woFS3.0.ua.Ka5ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8481 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The difference between two coils placed together in magnetic unison from alternating currents (via double negative) and that of two currents accomplishing the same thing without its opposite is that in the second case which seems to be the logical way of doing things each has an identical unobvious potential at its midpoint.In the first case the unobvious potentials are actually opposite which is what led to my discovery of the binary resonant system. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 00:53:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA10748; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:53:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:53:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Graph of Earth Frequencies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"BFmIN3.0.cd2.xx5ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Check it out: http://www-star.stanford.edu/~mfuelle/eicrspe.html The wavy part of the spectrum plot at the left is the fundamental and overtones of the Earth's 7Hz Resonance. Cool! Also see these data-archive sites: http://www-star.stanford.edu/~mfuelle/eicr.html http://quake.geo.berkeley.edu/ncedc/em.intro.html The one at Berkeley is the Table Mountain earth-fields observatory, which has an e-field and magnetic field DC sensor. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 00:57:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA13356; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:57:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:57:05 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <11be39a0.369c5fb0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:56:16 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shine on crazy diamond. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"XD2lx1.0.aG3.W_5ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey Harvey, do you mind to share what it is binary resonant system, and what it does? Thank's Mehmet. > Subj: Shine on crazy diamond. > Date: 1/13/99 1:29:18 AM Mountain Standard Time > From: tesla4@excite.com (Harvey Norris) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > The difference between two coils placed together in magnetic unison from > alternating currents (via double negative) and that of two currents > accomplishing the same thing without its opposite is that in the second case > which seems to be the logical way of doing things each has an identical > unobvious potential at its midpoint.In the first case the unobvious > potentials are actually opposite which is what led to my discovery of the > binary resonant system. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 01:34:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA25048; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:33:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:33:53 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <2f007879.369c675b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:28:59 EST To: candace1@usa.net, Mike Connolly , Marsha Doyenne , DD <11111119@lava.net>, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, ark@Millennium-ark.net, "Dennis C. Lee" , "George A. Abbott" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, celiag@email.com, michael romack , cturner@npwt.net, Carolyn , Diane Durham-Bothwell , Reality_Pump2@onelist.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, goldbug@worldaccessnet.com, grstewar@tva.gov, Heather and Andrew Tinley , "John H.St.John" , David House , JADE , "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , jkinsley@beyond-the-illusion.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, Julie Reiner , Thomas Spellman , lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Terri Schoolden , markland@rockisland.com, murrayjm@juno.compiercemarkhotmail.com, nhne@nhne.com, PetMagic@aol.com, ponski@soft-link.com, richarda@icx.netlizardhavenzippnet.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, rtoler@cland.net, Robin van Spaandonk , SedonaY2K@mail-list.com, seer7@netusa1.net, Sharon , Shekhina Canyon , spot , Tom , Henri Calitri , John Michaels , trknute@earthlink.net, UFOLAWYER1@aol.com, visited@onelist.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, werosser@hotmail.com, WhiteDove Plasmatic , y2k-survival@infostream.net, Y2K , piercemark@hotmail.com, David Openheimer Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SOLAR!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"0bHT92.0.D76.0Y6ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8484 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ...If you're situation is like ours--running water seasonal at best, and windpower precluded by inland, woods--I see no way around it as an indispensible component of a relible, renewable energy system. Whether you're running an inverter or using strainght DC, you need photovoltaic power to recharge the batteries. Whether you're enjoying DC from a hydroxy fuel cell (no moving parts) or running a conventional generator or heater on hydrogen, you first need solar electricity to electrolyze the water. My question, therefore (unless anyone can suggest a more efficient, durable, and affordable, *proven* alternative), is simple: Does anyone know of a better deal than the Solec 90W or Astropower 100W panels, which are both available for $4.49 per watt? Let's compare notes. Thanks! --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 05:11:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA25210; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:11:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:11:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:07:30 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Cc: candace1@usa.net, Mike Connolly , Marsha Doyenne , DD <11111119@lava.net>, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, ark@Millennium-ark.net, "Dennis C. Lee" , "George A. Abbott" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, celiag@email.com, michael romack , cturner@npwt.net, Carolyn , Diane Durham-Bothwell , Reality_Pump2@onelist.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, goldbug@worldaccessnet.com, grstewar@tva.gov, Heather and Andrew Tinley , "John H.St.John" , David House , JADE , "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , jkinsley@beyond-the-illusion.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, Julie Reiner , Thomas Spellman , lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Terri Schoolden , markland@rockisland.com, murrayjm@juno.compiercemarkhotmail.com, nhne@nhne.com, PetMagic@aol.com, ponski@soft-link.com, richarda@icx.netlizardhavenzippnet.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, rtoler@cland.net, Robin van Spaandonk , SedonaY2K@mail-list.com, seer7@netusa1.net, Sharon , Shekhina Canyon , spot , Tom , Henri Calitri , John Michaels , trknute@earthlink.net, UFOLAWYER1@aol.com, visited@onelist.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, werosser@hotmail.com, WhiteDove Plasmatic , y2k-survival@infostream.net, Y2K , piercemark@hotmail.com, David Openheimer Subject: Re: SOLAR/Hydroxy Fuel Cell In-Reply-To: <2f007879.369c675b@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1EMb22.0.m96.1k9ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8485 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You said: "Whether you're enjoying DC from a hydroxy fuel cell (no moving parts) or running a conventional generator or heater on hydrogen,.." __________________________________________________________________ Russ: The price for PV is good, if they are new modules. I would be interested to know if anyone has a practical operating hydroxy fuel cell at this time? Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 07:05:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA25952; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:05:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:05:03 -0800 From: PetMagic@aol.com Message-ID: <97c8690d.369cb4a8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:58:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SOLAR!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"jIHkS.0.PL6.UOBds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8486 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/13/99 4:36:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, UNIR2B1NM@aol.com writes: << ...If you're situation is like ours--running water seasonal at best, and windpower precluded by inland, woods--I see no way around it as an indispensible component of a relible, renewable energy system. Whether you're running an inverter or using strainght DC, you need photovoltaic power to recharge the batteries. Whether you're enjoying DC from a hydroxy fuel cell (no moving parts) or running a conventional generator or heater on hydrogen, you first need solar electricity to electrolyze the water. My question, therefore (unless anyone can suggest a more efficient, durable, and affordable, *proven* alternative), is simple: Does anyone know of a better deal than the Solec 90W or Astropower 100W panels, which are both available for $4.49 per watt? Let's compare notes. Thanks! --Russ >> Of course, the larger panels suffer more from partial shadelinen (like tree branches) shading some cells, cutting them off, causing potential overheating of the other cells and a complete breakdown of charging current. just a consideration concerning bigger is better. Thanks for the great cooking pr4esent. Best cook stack I/ve ever seen. Peter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 10:25:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA06978; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:24:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:24:50 -0800 Message-ID: <369CD642.697A5C29@telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:22:10 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SOLAR!! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------964E3B53C7CBC951429FFDB0" Resent-Message-ID: <"oNJiL3.0.xi1.oJEds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8487 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------964E3B53C7CBC951429FFDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave --------------964E3B53C7CBC951429FFDB0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from priv-edtnps05-hme0 ([192.168.98.205]) by priv-edtnps06-hme0.telusplanet.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 220 ID# 0-51631L100S100V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:34:37 -0700 Received: from edtnpx01-port-48.agt.net ([204.209.198.112]:1583 "HELO dsadams") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <583630-17709>; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:34:32 -0700 Message-ID: <369CC9A9.7628@telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:28:25 -0700 From: dsadams1@telusplanet.net (dsadams1) Reply-To: dsadams1@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: donadams@telusplanet.net Subject: [Fwd: Re: SOLAR!!] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <369CC96E.5A20@telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:27:26 -0700 From: dsadams1 Reply-To: dsadams1@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SOLAR!! References: <97c8690d.369cb4a8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently a friend told me of an unconfirmed story he heard that you could potentially double the output of solar panels by placing them in what seemed to me to be a rather peculiar orientation... upside down!? If this is true then one get get twice the output from half the panels thus cutting your costs.... anyone ever hear of this before? PetMagic@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/99 4:36:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, UNIR2B1NM@aol.com > writes: > > << ...If you're situation is like ours--running water seasonal at best, and > windpower precluded by inland, woods--I see no way around it as an > indispensible component of a relible, renewable energy system. Whether > you're > running an inverter or using strainght DC, you need photovoltaic power to > recharge the batteries. Whether you're enjoying DC from a hydroxy fuel cell > (no moving parts) or running a conventional generator or heater on hydrogen, > you first need solar electricity to electrolyze the water. > > My question, therefore (unless anyone can suggest a more efficient, durable, > and affordable, *proven* alternative), is simple: Does anyone know of a > better > deal than the Solec 90W or Astropower 100W panels, which are both available > for $4.49 per watt? Let's compare notes. Thanks! > > --Russ > >> > Of course, the larger panels suffer more from partial shadelinen (like tree > branches) shading some cells, cutting them off, causing potential overheating > of the other cells and a complete breakdown of charging current. > just a consideration concerning bigger is better. > Thanks for the great cooking pr4esent. Best cook stack I/ve ever seen. > Peter --------------964E3B53C7CBC951429FFDB0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 10:37:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13252; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:37:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:37:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: gravity article (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tbD2c1.0.rE3.qVEds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8488 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Forwarded message, see below ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:09:02 PST From: Giovanni Modanese To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: article "Gravitational Anomalies by HTC Superconductors: a 1999 Theoretical Status Report" G. Modanese Abstract - In this report we summarize in an informal way the main advances made in the last 3 years and give a unified scheme of our theoretical work. This scheme aims at connecting in a consistent physical picture (by the introduction of some working hypotheses when necessary) the technical work published in several single articles. The part of our model concerning the purely gravitational aspects of the weak shielding phenomenon is almost complete; the part concerning the density distribution of the superconducting carriers in the HTC disks is still qualitative, also due to the very non-standard character of the experimental setup. The main points of our analysis are the following: coherent coupling between gravity and a Bose condensate; induced gravitational instability and "runaway" of the field, with modification of the static potential; density distribution of the superconducting charge carriers; energetic balance; effective equations for the field; existence of a threshold density. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 15:41:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA29752; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:40:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:40:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be3f4e$660ed680$4c1a0fcb@glenvils> From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: , Subject: Re: Your PC can test circuits ... Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:07:46 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"PkxQ_1.0.XG7.zxIds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8489 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi gang, yes I have been using (various) versions of "Electronic Workbench" and similar products for the last 5 or so years. Very useful to test out conceptual notions, quickly determine what will and what will NOT ) work, but be advised .. The test gear included relies upon conventional physics :-) !!!! :-) Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 19:07:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27204; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:06:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:06:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990113221408.00cd1720@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:14:10 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Shine on crazy diamond. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nWh91.0.ye6.vyLds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8490 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Howdy Meat. OK, lets see if I understand you. Some nomenclature.... +N----S- means a coil which is wound such that when a positive voltage is applied to + a north magnetic pole appears there. Your second case looks like this... +N----S- +N-----S- where the two coils are driven in phase. Your first case looks like this +N----S- -S-----N+ where one coil is driven 180 degrees out of phase with respect to the first. The result is to produce a field like so N----S N----S Both cases produce the same result, that of the magnetic fields aiding. Now, looking 90 degrees into the wave, the potential at the "midpoint" for both coils is the same for case two. So if we made a differential measurement of voltage between the midpoints we would see zero voltage. For case one, because of the phase difference, we would see the difference between the two voltages, or double the voltage. Am I following you? K. PS: Relax. At 12:27 AM 1/13/99 PST, you wrote: >The difference between two coils placed together in magnetic unison from >alternating currents (via double negative) and that of two currents >accomplishing the same thing without its opposite is that in the second case >which seems to be the logical way of doing things each has an identical >unobvious potential at its midpoint.In the first case the unobvious >potentials are actually opposite which is what led to my discovery of the >binary resonant system. > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 20:40:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA10098; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:40:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:40:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:39:57 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: EM ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SHOEB1.0.hT2.YKNds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8491 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Many of the participants of the list most likely have a copy of "The Homopolar Handbook" by Thomas Valone. I would like to call to your attention a comparison between linear and rotational motion as it would apply to electromagnetic induction on page 6-41. (original version) Assume that the uniform magnetic field is replaced with a field that is excited by a sinusoidal source. Is it possible that there might be some differences in the results that are described by the Figure 9 table? Would an emf be generated for movement of the magnetic field with a stationary conductor bar, contrary to the results obtained in the case of a uniform field? If so, it is reasonable to assume that it would be a sinusoidal waveform and that the voltage would be a funcion of the magnitude and velocity of the translating B-field? How is the term "uniform" defined? Would be intersted if anyone have given this any thought or know of any experimental data available for this example? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 13 22:32:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17348; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:32:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:32:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:32:04 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EM ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2qd6F3.0.vE4.ezOds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8492 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Paul Rasp wrote: > Many of the participants of the list most likely have a copy of "The > Homopolar Handbook" by Thomas Valone. I would like to call to your > attention a comparison between linear and rotational motion as it would > apply to electromagnetic induction on page 6-41. (original version) Assume > that the uniform magnetic field is replaced with a field that is excited by > a sinusoidal source. At the very least, the hi-current output would become AC, and therefor could be stepped up in voltage as desired by using a transformer. If the HPG ended up being overunity, its output could be used to run a conventional motor, and close the loop. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 00:40:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA14714; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:39:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:39:58 -0800 Message-ID: <369D9EA9.9730FD21@telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:37:13 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: fascinating creature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FFkU82.0.pb3.UrQds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8493 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: could have impact on numerous aspects of human health.... snipped from: http://www.divernet.com/biolog/prote997.htm about the length of its fasting, with one surviving for 12 years at the Faculty of Biotechnology in Ljubljana. It was kept alive in a small jar and held in a refrigerator at 6*C to simulate the animal's natural habitat. The animal was eventually sacrificed for research purposes - when the scientists dissected the body, which by this time was very weak and thin, they found that the creature's digestive system had completely disappeared. -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 08:23:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA27475; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:23:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:23:18 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:14:51 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 40% Overunity In-Reply-To: <916051685.23371.485@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"81Hau2.0.7j6.rdXds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8494 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: \\ Dear Harvey,\ Some of us do not have www access... can you just sent it out as ASCII? Not as attch.... just ASCII...Please On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > I have posted an argument for 40% overunity at the following messageboard. > www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > Comments here or there are welcome. > I would like to see the error of my thinking if it indeed does exist. HDN > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 08:44:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA08582; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:42:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:42:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Your PC can Test circuits 4 before U build them In-Reply-To: <68622b7e.369c50b0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8iBEd.0.z52.PvXds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8495 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: y Dear MKS.... In many cases there is NO simulator which will accurately test high end analog circuits.... much less fringe one...! JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 09:17:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA22544; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:17:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:17:00 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:08:14 EST To: donadams@telusplanet.net Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SOLAR!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"F0qik1.0.9W5.CQYds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8496 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-14 03:25:50 EST, you write: >Enjoyed the comments you made regarding possible energies used by >plants! Reminds me of the a post on Keely by a researcher using >metal plates, a dark enclosure and something he termed eloptic energy... >the claim was that in total darkness the plants were green! Would >love to find out the title of the book that article originated from. >Also, some of the orgone related experiments geared towards promoting >accelerated and unusually robust growth would be interesting to test.... >Again, thanks for the comments.... I think the free energy list would >have liked to have read your post. I have a friend who's looking for that very info, having misplaced it. He had planned to reproduce that installation--involving, I believe, a copper sheet on the roof & one over the plant trough in the basement, connected by a copper wire--but he moved and got side-tracked. What's the protocol for subscribing to Keely? Thanks. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 10:04:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA22350; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:04:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:04:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004b01be3fe8$72adade0$8c5dadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: , Subject: Re: SOLAR!! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"93Wj.0.7T5.F6Zds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8497 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I have a friend who's looking for that very info, having misplaced it. He had >planned to reproduce that installation--involving, I believe, a copper sheet >on the roof & one over the plant trough in the basement, connected by a copper >wire--but he moved and got side-tracked. The name you're looking for is T. Galen Hieronymous. There's a nice transcription of his radionic tuner patent, which mentions his plant experiment, at http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/freenrg/hieronym/hieronym.htm , and also a brief article about the experiment in the archives at http://www.borderlands.com (if it's not up, keep trying). -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 11:01:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA07924; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:01:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:01:05 -0800 Message-ID: <19990114185456.15980.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 15 Jan 99 01:54:56 ICT From: Rangsan Rayanasuk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: please visit me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yYNPk1.0.fx1.nxZds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8498 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear all, Please visit my home page and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html Thanks, ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 12:17:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA11189; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:16:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:16:44 -0800 Message-ID: <369E35F8.D4F81255@telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:22:48 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Subject: Re: SOLAR!! References: <004b01be3fe8$72adade0$8c5dadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lCwTc1.0.kk2.h2bds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8499 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: now I recall.... thanks for the tip.... I remember that the fact it was a supposed 'radionic' device was the only thing that really put me off.... he called it 'eloptic' energy.... while interesting I would like to see this work repeatedly first, and I doubt if it works its really a radionic device, rather something else must be going on.... cheers... Don Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > > >I have a friend who's looking for that very info, having misplaced it. He > had > >planned to reproduce that installation--involving, I believe, a copper > sheet > >on the roof & one over the plant trough in the basement, connected by a > copper > >wire--but he moved and got side-tracked. > > The name you're looking for is T. Galen Hieronymous. There's a nice > transcription of his radionic tuner patent, which mentions his plant > experiment, at http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/freenrg/hieronym/hieronym.htm > , and also a brief article about the experiment in the archives at > http://www.borderlands.com (if it's not up, keep trying). > > -- > "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 13:02:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA24061; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901142059.PAA29666@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: TIME Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:58:58 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kUy8x2.0.qt5.5hbds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8500 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI, I just had an Idea, the minto wheel works using a temperature differential. If the temperature in the water would be the same as in the air above, the wheel would not work. It is said that a proper wheel desing could tap energy with a temperature differential as low as 3 degrees. What I am thinking is, could it be that some of the overunity devices work with a TIME differential. For an overunity transformer, the time rate at the primary would be different than at the secondary, therefore converting genuine TIME into energy, just like the minto wheel converts heat into mechanical motion. I think that overunity relates much more to time than to an invisible form of energy called zpe, vaccuum fluctuations. As to have fluctuations, you must have time. Maybe what overunity really taps is time ? What do you think ? best regards, Patrick Tremblay From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 13:07:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA02932; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:06:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:06:11 -0800 Message-ID: <19990114210103.9150.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: TIME To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wLEa4.0.jj.2nbds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8501 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Patrick et al! But 'Time is Gravity'....so you are tapping aether influx into matter which we perceive as weight....my opinion. ---Patrick Tremblay wrote: > > HI, > > I just had an Idea, the minto wheel works using a temperature differential. > If the temperature in the water would be the same as in the air above, the > wheel would not work. It is said that a proper wheel desing could tap > energy with a temperature differential as low as 3 degrees. > > What I am thinking is, could it be that some of the overunity devices work > with a TIME differential. For an overunity transformer, the time rate at > the primary would be different than at the secondary, therefore converting > genuine TIME into energy, just like the minto wheel converts heat into > mechanical motion. > > I think that overunity relates much more to time than to an invisible form > of energy called zpe, vaccuum fluctuations. As to have fluctuations, you > must have time. Maybe what overunity really taps is time ? > > What do you think ? > > best regards, > > Patrick Tremblay > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 14:16:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA06675; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:15:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:15:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901142214.QAA08653@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:13:52 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X2BIi.0.9e1.ancds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8502 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Oh, brother !!!.have I been there too !!!......Joe <:-] ========================================== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Earth Resonance > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:47 PM > > Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that > the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 > pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect > this. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do > a high frequency gig and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I > never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. > So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers > which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own > ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group > of freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free > energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web > site ect. > I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of > us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could > advance the free energy field,to name a few. > Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement > and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? > But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good > results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL > VALIDATION. > Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT > TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses > this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for > the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal > (corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now > the rest of the story. > He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to > excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on > my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send > button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. > I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I > couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. > I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the > recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When > I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not > be relevant. > Sincerly HDN > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 14:17:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA03533; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:17:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:17:37 -0800 Message-ID: <002901be400b$f11ed460$bf5cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: TIME Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:19:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"q3Cc02.0.5t.0qcds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8503 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Tremblay wrote: >What I am thinking is, could it be that some of the overunity devices work >with a TIME differential. For an overunity transformer, the time rate at >the primary would be different than at the secondary, therefore converting >genuine TIME into energy, just like the minto wheel converts heat into >mechanical motion. Synchronicity strikes again! Look at this message that was on the Philadelphia Experiment list recently: >A very interesting though wee bit weird artcile on Jacques Bergier, co-author of >the (in)famous dawn of magic, which I'm sure you'll all have read. Whatever the >truth, Bergier was an original thinker and I can imagine that a conversation >with him, seated at a terrace of one of the Paris cafe's, sipping a good glass, >would not have been a dull one! Alas, Bergier is no longer around... > >Perhaps of direct interest here: his claims that at one time Howard Hughes and >`his occult researchers' were `also at work on a theory proposed by the Soviet >scientist Kozyrew, involving the construction of "time dams" to harness the >energy produced by the passing of time...' Go on then, have a read! > >www.inexplicata.com/samizdat/fall93/jacques_bergier.html > >Best, > >Theo Paijmans From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 17:32:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA16977; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:32:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:32:38 -0800 Message-ID: <369FBC92.2CF5@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:09:22 -0800 From: Stuart Rae X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TIME References: <199901142059.PAA29666@express.globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PBCoX.0.594.rgfds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8504 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Patrick! > > I think that overunity relates much more to time than to an invisible form > of energy called zpe, vaccuum fluctuations. As to have fluctuations, you > must have time. Maybe what overunity really taps is time ? > I agree. But if what we call 'Time' is NOT absolute in relation to physical scale, and simply an immediate inertial characteristic of gross 'matter' (therefore not capable of direct extrapolation to the 'substance' of zpe, aether, or whatever subdivision that forms it), then what we call 'energy' can be explained as a secondary effect of a primary pre-emergent 'aetheric' cause. A background cause, whose twin manifestation as matter/energy should be capable of 'material' temporal manipulation to produce the physical illusion of 'overunity'........ or more accurately, 'free energy'. And of course the most immediate and obvious manifestation of this pre-emergent cause, is found in all forms of electrical and magnetic phenomena. Wasn't this the concept behind what was once called the TEP, or 'Time/Energy Pump'? Regards, SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 18:26:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA09278; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:25:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: <369EC26D.C2CACE5E@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:22:05 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TIME References: <199901142059.PAA29666@express.globetrotter.net> <369FBC92.2CF5@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uFEdu.0.mG2.iSgds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8505 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All: Some thoughts about time... 1. Is it possible to violate causality? Good question. Lets set up the following paradox: One fine day, I build a machine which can send messages backwards in time. I have a reciever set up, and the transmitter is keyed with a pushbutton. I press the button. Before I press it, however, since the signal travels in reverse causality, it will arrive at the reciever. But what if just after the signal arrives, I decide not to press the button? The signal was never sent, yet it arrived. Strange... As far as I can tell, there are three possible outcomes to this: A. I cannot send signals backwards in time. B. I can send signals backwards in time, but something will force me to complete the 'loop' by pressing the button, whether I want to or not. C. I can send signals backwards in time, and the signals can arrive whether I send them in the present or not. As strange as C sounds, if true it would be the solution to free energy. Lets assume I build a machine that will transmit 100 watts of power back in time to my reciever. I get ready to discharge the storage battery that supplies the device, and 100 watts of excess energy mysteriously arrives from nowhere. Then, if I don't press the transmit button, I get extra energy, 200% efficiency. Then I can do it again, and again. Just remeber the old saying: "It's not nice to fool mother nature!" (lightning bolts, flaming hailstones, etc. etc. ;) Personally, I believe "A" will turn out to be true, that you cannot send signals backwards in time, but who knows? I don't know that it is impossible, so I won't rule it out. I am skeptical, but not as bad as CSICOP ;-) Best regards, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 19:17:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA32236; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:15:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:15:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:15:26 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Kirlian interface In-Reply-To: <199901142214.QAA08653@mw2.texas.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"beymW3.0.bt7.FBhds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8506 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I thought this was interesting: "Gas discharge Visualization" instrument, a "kirlian camera" that interfaces to a PC http://www.kolumbus.fi/pekka.kaariainen/gdv/gdv1.htm I stumbled across it while searching on "torsion fields". See http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors for lots of links. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 19:45:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA10823; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:43:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:43:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990114214354.007a6d40@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:43:54 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Re: EM ? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pkxg33.0.ze2.rbhds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8507 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:32 PM 1/13/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Paul Rasp wrote: > >> Many of the participants of the list most likely have a copy of "The >> Homopolar Handbook" by Thomas Valone. I would like to call to your >> attention a comparison between linear and rotational motion as it would >> apply to electromagnetic induction on page 6-41. (original version) Assume >> that the uniform magnetic field is replaced with a field that is excited by >> a sinusoidal source. > >At the very least, the hi-current output would become AC, and therefor >could be stepped up in voltage as desired by using a transformer. If the >HPG ended up being overunity, its output could be used to run a >conventional motor, and close the loop. If the output of the example I described in my previous post was indeed AC, then to call the machine a HPG might be a misnomer. Perhaps we should call it a "X-dynamo". Maybe I'll think of something that might be might be a bit more descriptive. (:>) The problem of proving EM OU would be made much easier if the output were an alternating current. Measurement of the input/output of this device could be performed in a much more forgiving and conventional way. As Bill has pointed out, the loop could be closed and a conventional synchronous motor could be used as the prime mover. This should put to rest any questions of measurement anomalies or external sources of energy. Additionally, if brushes were used instead of a more elaborate liquid brush arrangement, then brush and contact surface pitting would be minimized due to the output being an alternating current. Of course this might not be practical if the output current is excessively high. Does anyone have a homopolar machine that can be modified in such a way as to substitute the uniform magnetic field with field coils supplied with 60 HZ excitation? Or has this been previously evaluated? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 22:15:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA01382; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:14:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:14:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:14:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901150614.WAA01175@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: EM ? Resent-Message-ID: <"ZFzD81.0.SL.Rpjds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8508 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Paul and all, At 10:39 PM 1/13/99 -0600, Paul wrote: Could you describe it more, for us without this book yet. >Many of the participants of the list most likely have a copy of "The >Homopolar Handbook" by Thomas Valone. I would like to call to your >attention a comparison between linear and rotational motion as it would >apply to electromagnetic induction on page 6-41. (original version) Assume >that the uniform magnetic field is replaced with a field that is excited by >a sinusoidal source. Is it possible that there might be some differences in > the results that are described by the Figure 9 table? Would an emf be >generated for movement of the magnetic field with a stationary conductor >bar, contrary to the results obtained in the case of a uniform field? If >so, it is reasonable to assume that it would be a sinusoidal waveform and >that the voltage would be a funcion of the magnitude and velocity of the >translating B-field? For a typical homopolar machine, yes, there would be an emf, and sinusoidal, like a 1 turn transformer secondary. What does the velocity refer to with a stationary conductor? >How is the term "uniform" defined? I'd quess uniform over the conductor, not like drawings one sees of Faraday's machine with just a single "U" magnet over just a small part of the disk. Would be intersted >if anyone have given this any thought or know of any experimental data >available for this example? > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 22:35:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA09274; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:34:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:34:17 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:26 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"02Bw7.0.pG2.f5kds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8509 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here is my 2 / 100 dollars worth. :-) There are several ways to detect a 6 to 8 Hz signal. First one that comes to my mind is that you use aoscilloscope that reads from DC on. You would be able to see the signals outright. Second method is to make a mixer. Run about 2KHz and mix the signal with that. You might have to use a frequency doubler or tripler in the signal, in order to hear the variations of the tone. And of course now you have a nice signal that practically every scope can display. Good luck in your experiments. Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 22:47:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA14532; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:47:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:47:15 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:46:37 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TIME Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"3AIDG2.0.zY3.pHkds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8510 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Another 2 cent's worth. :-) IF you could send a signal to past and or future, you would have to take the whole universe back to the time that you desire. :-) Let's say that you want to send a signal to exact same location but 100 years in the past. The air molecules would have to be taken back in the time, unless your signal was electromagnetic radiation. Now the moon isn't at the exact same place that it was 100 years ago. Sio you would have to take the moon with you. The Jupiter was not in the same place that it is now. So you would have to take the Jupiter with you. The Super Nova of 1989 would not happened. So you would have to get all the matter that came out of that S/N and make a star out of it. And that star better be blowing up in 90 years. Have I made my point? :-) Good thinking though. :-) Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 14 23:03:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA19999; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:02:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:02:39 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:35:10 -0000 From: "Irving Z. Gribbish" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Kirlian interface X-Sender-Ip: 131.170.208.35 Organization: Deja News Mail (http://www.my-dejanews.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MC6ai.0.Ju4.DWkds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8511 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mega-thanks Bill! Will get back on it soon! --- All the best, Irving Gribbish igribbish@my-dejanews.com "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:15:26 William Beaty wrote: > >I thought this was interesting: > > "Gas discharge Visualization" instrument, a "kirlian camera" > that interfaces to a PC > > http://www.kolumbus.fi/pekka.kaariainen/gdv/gdv1.htm > >I stumbled across it while searching on "torsion fields". >See http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors for lots of links. > >((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) >William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website >billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com >EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science >Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 02:37:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA30938; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:37:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:37:19 -0800 Message-ID: <369F0BA4.CA447EE2@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:34:28 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TIME References: <199901142059.PAA29666@express.globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FPna43.0.FZ7.Vfnds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8512 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm not qualified to offer an 'educated' opinion on this, however much of what you suggest sounds sensible... I think I wrote something similiar to this months ago and posted it on Keelynet... the subject being something along the lines of 'Time as Temperature'. You might find some of Beardens related thoughts on these sorts of issues to be interesting. Best regards and keep up the creative thinking! Don Patrick Tremblay wrote: > > HI, > > I just had an Idea, the minto wheel works using a temperature differential. > If the temperature in the water would be the same as in the air above, the > wheel would not work. It is said that a proper wheel desing could tap > energy with a temperature differential as low as 3 degrees. > > What I am thinking is, could it be that some of the overunity devices work > with a TIME differential. For an overunity transformer, the time rate at > the primary would be different than at the secondary, therefore converting > genuine TIME into energy, just like the minto wheel converts heat into > mechanical motion. > > I think that overunity relates much more to time than to an invisible form > of energy called zpe, vaccuum fluctuations. As to have fluctuations, you > must have time. Maybe what overunity really taps is time ? > > What do you think ? > > best regards, > > Patrick Tremblay -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 03:04:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA04982; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:04:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:04:22 -0800 Message-ID: <369F11F8.95472FF9@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:01:28 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 'Thought Translation Device' Allows Thinking On Screen BBC News Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cl_Jz2.0.lD1.s2ods"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8513 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: 'Thought Translation Device' Allows Thinking On Screen BBC News 1-13-99 Paralysed people have been taught to type using their brainwaves, thanks to a device which measures the electrical waves through the skull. Last year two patients were able to write messages on a computer via electrodes implanted in their brains but the new method does not require risky surgery, simply placing electrodes on the top of the head. "We have got patients writing messages who couldn't communicate at all," said Edward Taub of the University of Alabama at Birmingham in New Scientist magazine. Motor cortex signals The scientists, led by Niels Birbaumer of the University of Tubingen, Germany, has to train the three patients to harness their brain power. The two electrodes, the size of contact lenses, picked up signals from near the motor cortex. The patients had to learn to make their cortical potentials more negative or positive to move a cursor up and down a computer screen. At each successive session the researchers made the task more difficult, requiring the patients to generate bigger and bigger changes in their cortical potentials. Alphabet choice When the patients could control the cursor well, they began to write. They selected each letter by whittling down the alphabet. First they choose one half of the alphabet, then half of that half and so on. It took the patients an average of 80 seconds to pick a letter, meaning a short sentence could be written in about 30 minutes. Dr Taub recognises that a system based solely on either-or choices will always be limited. But he believes it will be possible to train patients to make choices between more than two options if they can create several levels of positive or negative cortical potential. In the meantime, the "thought translation device" could be speeded up by using the context of the sentence to make accurate guesses of the word after the first letters are typed. The patients were suffering from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, a neurodegenerative disease which often leads to total paralysis -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 03:09:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA07221; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:09:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:09:17 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:42:45 -0500 Subject: Re: EM ? Message-ID: <19990114.154640.3950.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> <3.0.6.32.19990114214354.007a6d40@mail.zebra.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-65 From: David l Tingley Resent-Message-ID: <"WohbS1.0.fm1.S7ods"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8514 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I believe that this was already tried. Somewhere I read that it was referred to as the Q-machine generator as opposed to the N-Machine. Dave On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:43:54 -0600 cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) writes: >At 10:32 PM 1/13/99 -0800, you wrote: >>On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Paul Rasp wrote: >> >>> Many of the participants of the list most likely have a copy of >"The >>> Homopolar Handbook" by Thomas Valone. I would like to call to your >>> attention a comparison between linear and rotational motion as it >would >>> apply to electromagnetic induction on page 6-41. (original version) > Assume >>> that the uniform magnetic field is replaced with a field that is >excited by >>> a sinusoidal source. >> >>At the very least, the hi-current output would become AC, and >therefor >>could be stepped up in voltage as desired by using a transformer. If >the >>HPG ended up being overunity, its output could be used to run a >>conventional motor, and close the loop. > > > If the output of the example I described in my previous post was >indeed >AC, then to call the machine a HPG might be a misnomer. Perhaps we >should >call it a "X-dynamo". Maybe I'll think of something that might be >might be >a bit more descriptive. (:>) > > The problem of proving EM OU would be made much easier if the output >were >an alternating current. Measurement of the input/output of this >device >could be performed in a much more forgiving and conventional way. As >Bill >has pointed out, the loop could be closed and a conventional >synchronous >motor could be used as the prime mover. This should put to rest any >questions of measurement anomalies or external sources of energy. >Additionally, if brushes were used instead of a more elaborate liquid >brush >arrangement, then brush and contact surface pitting would be minimized >due >to the output being an alternating current. Of course this might not >be >practical if the output current is excessively high. > >Does anyone have a homopolar machine that can be modified in such a >way as >to substitute the uniform magnetic field with field coils supplied >with 60 >HZ excitation? Or has this been previously evaluated? > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 07:31:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA05934; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:31:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:31:21 -0800 Message-ID: <369F85ED.45E9@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:16:13 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TIME References: <199901142059.PAA29666@express.globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JGd7h.0.bS1.9zrds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Tremblay wrote: > What I am thinking is, could it be that some of the overunity devices work > with a TIME differential. For an overunity transformer, the time rate at > the primary would be different than at the secondary, therefore converting > genuine TIME into energy, just like the minto wheel converts heat into > mechanical motion. I have a concern about this approach. Maintaining a fixed time differential across the device is no simple matter. This would demand the application of an artificial gravitational field, or using some astronomical chunk of mass. I think there is an easier way. > I think that overunity relates much more to time than to an invisible form > of energy called zpe, vaccuum fluctuations. As to have fluctuations, you > must have time. Maybe what overunity really taps is time ? Bingo. The key here, is that the ZPE fluctuations (deltas) might sum to zero, or very near zero. This is why we only see ZPE interactions under specific conditions. This may also suggest that the delta T's associated with the ZPE flux also sum to zero. But during half of the ZPE fluctuations, we can freely extract energy, and we do not have a macroscopic temporal anomaly, nor do we have to solve the signifigent engineering problems of maintaining a time differential across the device. > > What do you think ? I beleive that there is some emprical evidence that something along these lines of thinking may actually be happening with my Barkhausen effect battery design. There have been several free energy claims that mention intermitant operation, fluctuating output, or descriptions of transient phenomena that may suggest O/U operation. In my opinion, if the O/U device delivers a steady output, it would be 'digging a hole' in the local ZPE. This temporal hole will of course effect the rate and energy of ZPE flux, and potentially 'pinch off' the devices energy supply. In the Barkhausen effect battery, we have a (very) small, highly chaotic output. It can be rectified and filtered, but within the core itself we have tens of thousands of magnetic domain transitions per second. Each transition may dig a tiny hole, then let it 'fill itself in' again once that domain has come to rest. But the device keeps running, for whatever reason, there is a fairly constant background rate of domain transitions without any clear source of energy being applied. There is none of the intermitant 'lab queen' behavior. Sadly, the power output is so small, this device is not a practical energy source. If we understood why it does what it does, then maybe we could design a proper device, but more people are looking for the answers than are asking the right questions. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 08:10:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23688; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:10:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:10:10 -0800 Message-ID: <19990115160405.3324.qmail@nw171.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 15 Jan 99 23:04:05 ICT From: Rangsan Rayanasuk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p3uao2.0.zn5.YXsds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear all, please visit my site and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html Thanks, ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 08:16:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA01160; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:14:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901151614.KAA10914@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: TIME Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:13:42 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CdM2K1.0.1I.vbsds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, There is no present per se. The present is merely where the past and the future join. It's just an interface between the two. For example, how long is now ? It can have no measure, for if it does, most of the measure will be in the past. Just a thought...Joe Portman ======================= ---------- > From: MATTIARO@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: TIME > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 12:46 AM > > Another 2 cent's worth. :-) > > IF you could send a signal to past and or future, you would have to take > the whole universe back to the time that you desire. :-) > Let's say that you want to send a signal to exact same location but 100 > years in the past. The air molecules would have to be taken back in the time, > unless your signal was electromagnetic radiation. > Now the moon isn't at the exact same place that it was 100 years ago. Sio > you would have to take the moon with you. The Jupiter was not in the same > place that it is now. So you would have to take the Jupiter with you. The > Super Nova of 1989 would not happened. So you would have to get all the matter > that came out of that S/N and make a star out of it. And that star better be > blowing up in 90 years. > Have I made my point? :-) > > Good thinking though. :-) > Matti > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 08:22:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA29901; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:21:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:21:00 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <3f607ee6.369f6a40@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:18:08 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: micro geothermal natural spring to convert electrical power Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"IFujU1.0.vI7.ghsds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am helping a friend to convert micro geothermal natural spring water to electrical power. The water is constant 120 (below boiling point you can't touch it, burns) water flow is about 120 Gallons per minute app. 20 Ft drop. Any idea how much electrical power this flow of water produce? There is green house that is required around 8 kW power daily or so. I designed a water wheel that is around 6 Ft. diameter 10 in. wide but will have a low RPM. What my really interest is to find a way to get the power out of the heat? Any comments will be appreciated greatly. Thanks you very much. Mehmet. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 08:38:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA03635; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:36:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: <013101be40a5$752b3520$4ba645d1@nim-machine> From: "Psy-Kosh" To: Subject: Re: TIME Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:38:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"cIyqe2.0.hu.pvsds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8519 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Or D, which is actually a special case of C: If you transmit a signal back in time in such a way that it would be a paradox, then there would be a split in reality (I'm a many-worlds fan) in such a way that in neither reality would there be a contradiction. For instance, as per your example, in the reality in which you sent the signal, you wouldn't recieve it, and in the reality in which you recived the signal, you wouldn't have sent it. Another thing, note that transmitting information and transmitting energy, are not necisaraly the same thing. It may turn out that you can transmit information through time, but not energy. Psy-Kosh -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 9:38 PM Subject: Re: TIME >All: > >Some thoughts about time... > >1. Is it possible to violate causality? Good question. Lets set up the >following paradox: > >One fine day, I build a machine which can send messages backwards in >time. I have a reciever set up, and the transmitter is keyed with a >pushbutton. I press the button. Before I press it, however, since the >signal travels in reverse causality, it will arrive at the reciever. But >what if just after the signal arrives, I decide not to press the button? >The signal was never sent, yet it arrived. Strange... > >As far as I can tell, there are three possible outcomes to this: > >A. I cannot send signals backwards in time. >B. I can send signals backwards in time, but something will force me to >complete the 'loop' by pressing the button, whether I want to or not. >C. I can send signals backwards in time, and the signals can arrive >whether I send them in the present or not. > >As strange as C sounds, if true it would be the solution to free energy. >Lets assume I build a machine that will transmit 100 watts of power back >in time to my reciever. I get ready to discharge the storage battery >that supplies the device, and 100 watts of excess energy mysteriously >arrives from nowhere. Then, if I don't press the transmit button, I get >extra energy, 200% efficiency. Then I can do it again, and again. Just >remeber the old saying: "It's not nice to fool mother nature!" >(lightning bolts, flaming hailstones, etc. etc. ;) > >Personally, I believe "A" will turn out to be true, that you cannot send >signals backwards in time, but who knows? I don't know that it is >impossible, so I won't rule it out. I am skeptical, but not as bad as >CSICOP ;-) > >Best regards, >Kyle R. Mcallister > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 11:20:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA12130; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:19:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:19:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be40bb$c9abe3e0$a4fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: Subject: Re: micro geothermal natural spring to convert electrical power Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:18:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"0kqFQ2.0.Pz2.6Jvds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8520 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, sounds like a great piece of property your friend has. Depending on the ambient climate you would have a significant temp. differential to apply to a minto wheel. The drop and water wheel could generate power, and the wheel even more. -----Original Message----- From: MKSBoysal@aol.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: micro geothermal natural spring to convert electrical power > >I am helping a friend to convert micro geothermal natural spring water to >electrical power. The water is constant 120 (below boiling point you can't >touch it, burns) water flow is about 120 Gallons per minute app. 20 Ft drop. >Any idea how much electrical power this flow of water produce? > There is green house that is required around 8 kW power daily or so. > >I designed a water wheel that is around 6 Ft. diameter 10 in. wide but will >have a low RPM. >What my really interest is to find a way to get the power out of the heat? >Any comments will be appreciated greatly. >Thanks you very much. >Mehmet. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 13:13:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24424; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:13:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:13:09 -0800 Message-ID: <369FA089.8C29B848@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:09:45 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TIME References: <199901151614.KAA10914@mw4.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k4Ve1.0.Xz5.azwds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Joe, enjoyed your comments, not sure I agree entirely.... I've often always thought that the now exists as its all we ever have. Joe Portman Sr. wrote: > > Hi, > There is no present per se. The present is merely where the past and the > future join. It's just an interface between the two. For example, how long > is now ? It can have no measure, for if it does, most of the measure will > be in the past. > Just a thought...Joe Portman > ======================= > > ---------- > > From: MATTIARO@aol.com > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: TIME > > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 12:46 AM > > > > Another 2 cent's worth. :-) > > > > IF you could send a signal to past and or future, you would have to > take > > the whole universe back to the time that you desire. :-) > > Let's say that you want to send a signal to exact same location but > 100 > > years in the past. The air molecules would have to be taken back in the > time, > > unless your signal was electromagnetic radiation. > > Now the moon isn't at the exact same place that it was 100 years ago. > Sio > > you would have to take the moon with you. The Jupiter was not in the > same > > place that it is now. So you would have to take the Jupiter with you. > The > > Super Nova of 1989 would not happened. So you would have to get all the > matter > > that came out of that S/N and make a star out of it. And that star > better be > > blowing up in 90 years. > > Have I made my point? :-) > > > > Good thinking though. :-) > > Matti > > -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 13:14:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24995; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:13:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:13:57 -0800 Message-ID: <369FA0C8.48A281DD@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:10:48 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: micro geothermal natural spring to convert electrical power References: <3f607ee6.369f6a40@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"50TqB.0.N66.K-wds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: wouldnt a heat sink directed to a minto wheel work? MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > > I am helping a friend to convert micro geothermal natural spring water to > electrical power. The water is constant 120 (below boiling point you can't > touch it, burns) water flow is about 120 Gallons per minute app. 20 Ft drop. > Any idea how much electrical power this flow of water produce? > There is green house that is required around 8 kW power daily or so. > > I designed a water wheel that is around 6 Ft. diameter 10 in. wide but will > have a low RPM. > What my really interest is to find a way to get the power out of the heat? > Any comments will be appreciated greatly. > Thanks you very much. > Mehmet. -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 13:19:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA20082; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:18:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:18:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <369FA195.59FECE20@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:14:13 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TIME References: <013101be40a5$752b3520$4ba645d1@nim-machine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cNZ7w.0.hv4.02xds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Information may turn out to be a kind of energy or field.... or may propagate through a field... see m-fields by Rupert Sheldrake... he seems to think that info propagates through fields which have unusual relationships with time.... i.e. not affected by time in the same manner as other energy fields / waves Psy-Kosh wrote: > > Or D, which is actually a special case of C: If you transmit a signal > back in time in such a way that it would be a paradox, then there would be a > split in reality (I'm a many-worlds fan) in such a way that in neither > reality would there be a contradiction. For instance, as per your example, > in the reality in which you sent the signal, you wouldn't recieve it, and in > the reality in which you recived the signal, you wouldn't have sent it. > > Another thing, note that transmitting information and transmitting > energy, are not necisaraly the same thing. It may turn out that you can > transmit information through time, but not energy. > > Psy-Kosh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle R. Mcallister > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: TIME > > >All: > > > >Some thoughts about time... > > > >1. Is it possible to violate causality? Good question. Lets set up the > >following paradox: > > > >One fine day, I build a machine which can send messages backwards in > >time. I have a reciever set up, and the transmitter is keyed with a > >pushbutton. I press the button. Before I press it, however, since the > >signal travels in reverse causality, it will arrive at the reciever. But > >what if just after the signal arrives, I decide not to press the button? > >The signal was never sent, yet it arrived. Strange... > > > >As far as I can tell, there are three possible outcomes to this: > > > >A. I cannot send signals backwards in time. > >B. I can send signals backwards in time, but something will force me to > >complete the 'loop' by pressing the button, whether I want to or not. > >C. I can send signals backwards in time, and the signals can arrive > >whether I send them in the present or not. > > > >As strange as C sounds, if true it would be the solution to free energy. > >Lets assume I build a machine that will transmit 100 watts of power back > >in time to my reciever. I get ready to discharge the storage battery > >that supplies the device, and 100 watts of excess energy mysteriously > >arrives from nowhere. Then, if I don't press the transmit button, I get > >extra energy, 200% efficiency. Then I can do it again, and again. Just > >remeber the old saying: "It's not nice to fool mother nature!" > >(lightning bolts, flaming hailstones, etc. etc. ;) > > > >Personally, I believe "A" will turn out to be true, that you cannot send > >signals backwards in time, but who knows? I don't know that it is > >impossible, so I won't rule it out. I am skeptical, but not as bad as > >CSICOP ;-) > > > >Best regards, > >Kyle R. Mcallister > > > > -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 13:50:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA06597; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:49:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:49:21 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:40:45 EST To: lizardhaven@zippnet.net Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, kvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alternative plant growth techniques... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"Btil_2.0.kc1.UVxds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-14 18:33:16 EST, you write: >hybrids don't produce seeds that produce plants identical to the parent >plant. they produce a genetic range of plants instead. the thing about >genetic diddling is big news, not actual practice. there is no way they >could do all that stuff to seeds outside of a few handfuls of seeds in a >laboratory. regular seed companies work on a low margin of profit. >and if they were able to do all that stuff, most plants would revert to >the natural gene pool in a couple generations. buy a green daffodil and >in two years it will go back to white. genetic diddling is forced and >nature tends to exclude it stadily and certainly-the hard part is >keeping it in. no one has managed so far-and if they did try to >sterilize seeds they could not do it to grocery food, so those seeds are >safe. you may not get a great cop the first time, but the plant that >make it are those genetically suited to your conditions, their seds will >giv you a beter crop. and you better believe i know what i am talking >about-i grow edible food crops in desert soil so salty it crusts. three >years later i grow bananas in the same soil. This is fascinating--the public is told that hybrids produce seeds that don't produce ANYTHING. Should I infer, then, that because the charactersitics for which agricultural hybrids are marketed don't reproduce in successive generations, Monsanto, et al. merely promulgate the *lie* that the plants themselves cannot reproduce (contributing to inflated orders for new seed each year)? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 13:53:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24196; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:51:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:51:51 -0800 (PST) From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:40:48 EST To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alternative food production techniques... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"kJsKW1.0.qv5.kXxds"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-14 15:14:12 EST, you write: <> Thanks. Perhaps you agree that in any case, we need to clean up our diets in favor of fresh, raw, & sprouted foods; and to withdraw our economic support of environmentally destructive methodologies. Moreover, if one's goal is dietary self-sufficiency, methods must must be found--quickly--that don't inevitably redound to further dependency on mfg. technologies and societal systems beyond one’s capability and control; systems which might be disrupted by Y2K, climatic or geomagnetic upheaval, etc., etc This might ultimately necessitate total indoor (underground?) cultivation (where plants would benefit from steady temperature & increased CO2 levels, and people would benefit from the O2 & negative ions). Growlights require high wattage and eventually need replacing; therefore, super-efficient, low-tech alternatives are called for...and as I’ve mentioned, there’s ample evidence suggesting that we’ve barely glimpsed the true range of horticultural possibilities. Regards, Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 14:47:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA28433; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:47:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:47:07 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01be40d8$644f8840$ea378ed1@thomas> From: "Thomas" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: vortex voltage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE4095.55752D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-JiPF3.0.-x6.fLyds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE4095.55752D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following is from a book called "Secrets of the Soil: New Age = Solutions for Restoring Our Planet," by Peter Tompkins and Christopher = Bird. It's about Pat Flanagan measuring a high voltage in a vortex of = water. This might have implications for application of electricity and = power generation. "When the velocity of a vortex increases, the diameter of its throat = gets smaller. In a perfect vortex, as the diameter approaches zero, the = velocity approaches infinity. Because infinite velocity in the physical = universe is impossible, something has to give. In the case of water, its = molecules begin to dissociate into vapor, releasing electric charge. And = here comes the first clue to what could be so mysteriously charging the = Steinerian BD 500 with electric energy. "What happens, Flanagan explained, is that the hydrogen bonds of = water molecules subjected to such stress are stretched like rubber = bands; at which point they absorb planetary forces, which, as the = molecule snaps back into shape are retained and energize the molecule. = This goes a long way toward explaining Steiner's and Kolisko's planetary = forces energizing the BD preps. "To find out just how much charge is generated by a vortex four = inches in diameter, Flanagan lowered a thin specially shielded wire = electrode into the center of its vortical throat, being careful not to = allow the wire to touch the water. By means of another electrode = touching the water he was able, when the vortex was moving at = approximately one thousand revolutions per minute, to record a charge of = more than ten thousand volts emitted from its swirling water: quite a = boost from the cosmos." ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE4095.55752D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The following is from a book called "Secrets of = the Soil:=20 New Age Solutions for Restoring Our Planet," by Peter Tompkins and=20 Christopher Bird.  It's about Pat Flanagan measuring a high voltage = in a=20 vortex of water.  This might have implications for application of=20 electricity and power generation.

    "When the velocity of a = vortex=20 increases, the diameter of its throat gets smaller. In a perfect vortex, = as the=20 diameter approaches zero, the velocity approaches infinity. Because = infinite=20 velocity in the physical universe is impossible, something has to give. = In the=20 case of water, its molecules begin to dissociate into vapor, releasing = electric=20 charge. And here comes the first clue to what could be so mysteriously = charging=20 the Steinerian BD 500 with electric energy.

    "What happens, Flanagan = explained, is=20 that the hydrogen bonds of water molecules subjected to such stress are=20 stretched like rubber bands; at which point they absorb planetary = forces, which,=20 as the molecule snaps back into shape are retained and energize the = molecule.=20 This goes a long way toward explaining Steiner's and Kolisko's planetary = forces=20 energizing the BD preps.

    "To find out just how much = charge is=20 generated by a vortex four inches in diameter, Flanagan lowered a thin = specially=20 shielded wire electrode into the center of its vortical throat, being = careful=20 not to allow the wire to touch the water. By means of another electrode = touching=20 the water he was able, when the vortex was moving at approximately one = thousand=20 revolutions per minute, to record a charge of more than ten thousand = volts=20 emitted from its swirling water: quite a boost from the=20 cosmos."

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE4095.55752D40-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 17:22:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21728; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:21:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:21:53 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <6f15c3f1.369fe80a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:14:50 EST To: PetMagic@aol.com Cc: donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alternative horticulture... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"aaIHC.0.JJ5.lc-ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I greatly appreciate your input. I know I'm caling for experimentation, but if I can find one proven, hopeful result, perhaps others will jump on teh experimental bandwagon & the particpants can delegate experimental phases among themselves over the internet--it's certainly happening WRT energy devices. Offhand, and without all the relevant data as yet, I might envision something like: Modulating the *Sonic Bloom* audio signal over low-amp *current* running through (highly electrolytic) *hydroponic* solution--which, as evidenced by a very successful operation in FL, might consist of straight seawater diluted 5:1 (or equivalent sea salt). As long as there's good soil & plenty of sun, why not use them? Of course...but aside from preparing against their unavailability (and there are many more people to feed than have access to these simple things), what if there were actually something altogether BETTER? What if plants have been waiting for millions of years, making do amid weather & sunlight--for man to come along and finally unlock their *true*, hidden potential? No one is qualified to say it's not so. Everything is "impossible"--until someone does it. All I seen thus far are published indications that radically alternative horticulture has been done--certainly, that it *might* be done--and well- meaning but failed attempts to dampen the idea. Re: greenhouses: My understanding is that plastic is an aggressive UV blocker, but that glass only filters out the progressively higher frequencies (which are progressively more destructive, generally speaking). Assuming that German greenhouses are plastic or fiberglass (like ours), and that plants need mostly *longwave* UV (like people do) Germany's prohibition against greenhouse cultivation of staples wouldn't discredit glass as a benign covering. Perhaps techniques like French intensive gardening, which crowd maximum yield into minimal space, could reduce glass area enough to allow it to be sufficiently study & affordable. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 18:13:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA04372; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01be40f4$bd364180$8937a8cf@dwenbert.spacey.net> Reply-To: "dwenbert" From: "dwenbert" To: Subject: Re: Alternative horticulture... Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:05:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2iwDA.0.-31.HM_ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Offhand, and without all the relevant data as yet, I might envision something >like: Modulating the *Sonic Bloom* audio signal over low-amp *current* >running through (highly electrolytic) *hydroponic* solution--which, as >evidenced by a very successful operation in FL, might consist of straight >seawater diluted 5:1 (or equivalent sea salt). What Florida demonstration were you referring to? Is there a Web URL you could direct me to on this? I am building a greenhouse in Central Florida right now and will be trying some aggressive hydroponic techniques.....Is there a listserv on this subject? /Dave David L. Wenbert The Gaian Renaissance Organisation From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 18:19:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06762; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:17:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:17:30 -0800 Message-ID: <369FF806.186@lcia.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:23:03 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Earth Resonance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fz_F61.0.Uf1.vQ_ds"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8529 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MATTIARO@aol.com wrote: > > Here is my 2 / 100 dollars worth. :-) > There are several ways to detect a 6 to 8 Hz signal. > First one that comes to my mind is that you use aoscilloscope that reads > from DC on. You would be able to see the signals outright. > Second method is to make a mixer. Run about 2KHz and mix the signal with > that. You might have to use a frequency doubler or tripler in the signal, in > order to hear the variations of the tone. > And of course now you have a nice signal that practically every scope can > display. > > Good luck in your experiments. > > Matti Your first method is puzzling. Where do you connect the scope? Regards, Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 20:06:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA06923; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:05:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:05:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990115220606.007baa80@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:06:06 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Re: EM ? In-Reply-To: <19990114.154640.3950.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> <3.0.6.32.19990114214354.007a6d40@mail.zebra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dxmET.0.3i1.d01es"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:42 PM 1/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >I believe that this was already tried. Somewhere I read that it was >referred to as the Q-machine generator as opposed to the N-Machine. > >Dave Only reference I have been able to find concerning a device referred to as a "Q-Machine" http://w3.pppl.gov/~rfheeter/fusion-faq/glossary/q.html#Q-machine or http://www.physics.uiowa.edu/xplasma/IQ2.html * Q-machine: Plasma device studied in the 1960s; noted for its natural quiescence, which made it attractive for plasma wave phyics experimentation. Don't think that this is anything like what I have proposed Dave....sooo for now I'm still gona refer to it as a "X-dynamo" (:>) Anyone else have any thoughts concerning this concept...surely someone has thought of providing alternating current field coils to provide excitation. This would completely eliminate the need to develop liquid metal commutators or interrupters as mentioned in Bruce DePalma's critique of the N-Machine constructed by Trombly and Kahn and covered in several of Tesla's patents. That which I am most interested in determining is whether or not an emf would be produced if a field coil excited by an alternating current was rotated rather than the disk . In the case of a "uniform" magnetic field that does not vary (as in a permanent magnetic) no emf is generated if the field is rotated rather than the conducting disk. My thanks to all of you that have posted your thoughts concerning this riddle. Paul From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 21:12:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA24418; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:11:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <36A02229.297C@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:22:49 -0600 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: vortex voltage References: <002b01be40d8$644f8840$ea378ed1@thomas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id VAA24399 Resent-Message-ID: <"zkL8k1.0.Rz5.D-1es"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8531 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! With regard to the following excerpt describing Flanagans' test; > By means of another electrode touching the water he was able, when the > vortex was moving at approximately one thousand revolutions per > minute, to record a charge of more than ten thousand volts emitted > from its swirling water: quite a boost from the cosmos." I neglected to mention the forced ripping of the water molecule which releases high voltage as discovered by Lenard. The following URL doesn't detail any of his experiments with water but he is the same Lenard. Back in the 1800s, there were high voltage generators that produced the high voltage from water moving at high velocity through a tube that separated it with force. Here is one URL about Lenard; http://pl.nobel.se/laureates/physics-1905-1-bio.html =================== I did a search on an experiment called the 'wasserfaden', literally meaning the 'water fountain'. It involves pushing water through a needle, like the one used to air up a football or basketball, at a velocity approaching 100psi...the water is shot downward in a high velocity stream into a tin bucket that is coated in wax so that it won't short out to the floor. As the water exits the head through the needle to stream into the insulated bucket, some of the droplets are forced apart into a very fine mist which is highly charged and which glows and levitates in an orbit around the needle. I saw Walter Baumgartner do this same experiment in Los Angeles and they turned out the lights but the water was so 'dead' in LA that it didn't hold much of a charge, so didn't glow too much but it did levitate and orbit around the needle, roughly in an 8-10" circle with the needle in the center. The ability of water to hold a charge is referred to as the 'zeta potential' and the higher this zeta potential, the more life giving the water is to drink and live on. Now I did a search on 'wasserfaden' and found a German page on who else but Viktor Schauberger at; http://www.pks.or.at/Viktor.htm where I excerpted the following interesting comment; "Er beauftragt seinen Sohn Walter mit der Wiederholung der “Wasserfaden-Versuche": Es werden Spannungen bis 20.000 Volt erreicht. which I pasted to the AltaVista language translator at; http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate? to provide the following German to English text; "He assigns his son walter the repetition of the " water thread attempts "Voltages up to 20,000 V are achieved." Isn't that interesting? Now voltage ain't current but does anyone remember the guy calling himself ZPE who claimed to be able to milk power from a vortex?? Then weasled out of the 'promised release'? Could this be part of that secret? -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 15 22:39:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA24299; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:38:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:38:56 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <8fed535e.36a032ea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:34:18 EST To: dwenbert@spacey.net Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Alternative horticulture... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"LZec-.0.Ux5.-F3es"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8532 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-15 21:14:58 EST, you write: > >What Florida demonstration were you referring to? Not just a demonstration--a productive operation, I understand. Check out Winston Kao's (PRONOUNCED "GOW") Natural Plus Plus Co. (not a typo); 727.447.2344; fx -3276; powerfd@gte.net >Is there a Web URL you could direct me to on this? www.finallynourished.com >I am building a greenhouse in Central Florida right now and will be trying >some aggressive hydroponic techniques. Mr. Kao doesn't use hydroponics; he has clearly surpassed conventional hydroponics by means of his extraordinary techniques for composting and treating soil & water. I've just cited hydroponics in superior relation to conventional gardening make the point that there's always room to progress, when you challenge the assumptions taken for granted the most (the "everybody knows..." fallacy). Progress conforms to a pattern of 1) *annexing* new discoveries, and 2) synoptically *reducing* the totality of what has been discovered to its simplest unit. Hydroponics is reductionary. Mr. Kao has harnessed microbial processes as yet unfathomed, much less chemically reproduced. Yet for all the inscrutable micro-parameters inherent in this organic growth medium, a simpler form would still be possible. I feel that one key to unlocking a new horticultural paradigm lies in energetic input of some form or combination thereof; that under the right conditions, light were interchangeable with other energies; that energetic signatures constitute the ultimate significance of nutrients; and when these operators are isolated, the super-efficient result will obviate the usual light requirements. What did you think of my hydroponic + Beck + Sonic Bloom suggestion? or more importantly, the synoptic principle behind the hypothesis? I've spoken to Mr. Kao about radiating minerals' infra-red *emissions* at plants, in addition to (or instead of) providing them materially; and in spite of all his success to date, he expressed interest in the prospect. Besides these experimental shemes, I've got a few hydropics ideas aimed at reducing maintence & power input--but please share what you mean by "aggressive" techniques. Regards, Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 00:47:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA23857; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:47:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:47:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:47:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901160847.AAA16970@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: EM ? Resent-Message-ID: <"fX8Uh1.0.gq5.h85es"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Paul, At 10:06 PM 1/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >That which I am most interested in determining is whether or not an emf >would be produced if a field coil >excited by an alternating current was rotated rather than the disk . In the >case of a "uniform" >magnetic field that does not vary (as in a permanent magnetic) no emf is >generated if the field is rotated rather than >the conducting disk. > Yes, I have found this too. >My thanks to all of you that have posted your thoughts concerning this riddle. > The alternating B field would add another "component" to the induced voltage. One of my interests is to show the "transformer" and "motional" emf as parts of the same term. Here is an interesting EM problem I found: An electromagnet has 2 cylindrical pole pieces with the 2 circular ends facing each other. The cylinders have their axis = z axis. The B field between the poles is B= sin(omega*t) Tesla, and the radius of the poles is 1 meter. (Quite an electromagnet!) The construction is such to allow the poles to rotate about the z axis at +600 rpm (cw) while a 1 meter rigid conductor with one end at the origin is rotated at -600 rpm (ccw) in the xy plane between the poles. What voltage is introduced in the conductor? Answer: V = 10*pi*sin(omega*t). The rotation of the poles adds no additional voltage. However measuring the voltage would involve a loop and a "transformer" voltage ~omega*cos(omega*t). -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 04:15:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA16292; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:15:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:15:42 -0800 Message-ID: <36A07425.FCDE3464@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 05:12:37 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com CC: dwenbert@spacey.net, PetMagic@aol.com, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Alternative horticulture... References: <8fed535e.36a032ea@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mOzkH1.0.L-3.jB8es"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8534 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: the application of an ORAC is supposed to heighten the growth and vitality of plants. Could this allow for an increase of oputput with a decrease of input, i.e. lower amounts of required soil, nutrients, etc...? UNIR2B1NM@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 99-01-15 21:14:58 EST, you write: > > > > >What Florida demonstration were you referring to? > > Not just a demonstration--a productive operation, I understand. Check out > Winston Kao's (PRONOUNCED "GOW") Natural Plus Plus Co. (not a typo); > 727.447.2344; fx -3276; powerfd@gte.net > > >Is there a Web URL you could direct me to on this? > > www.finallynourished.com > > >I am building a greenhouse in Central Florida right now and will be trying > >some aggressive hydroponic techniques. > > Mr. Kao doesn't use hydroponics; he has clearly surpassed conventional > hydroponics by means of his extraordinary techniques for composting and > treating soil & water. I've just cited hydroponics in superior relation to > conventional gardening make the point that there's always room to progress, > when you challenge the assumptions taken for granted the most (the "everybody > knows..." fallacy). > > Progress conforms to a pattern of 1) *annexing* new discoveries, and 2) > synoptically *reducing* the totality of what has been discovered to its > simplest unit. Hydroponics is reductionary. Mr. Kao has harnessed microbial > processes as yet unfathomed, much less chemically reproduced. Yet for all the > inscrutable micro-parameters inherent in this organic growth medium, a simpler > form would still be possible. I feel that one key to unlocking a new > horticultural paradigm lies in energetic input of some form or combination > thereof; that under the right conditions, light were interchangeable with > other energies; that energetic signatures constitute the ultimate significance > of nutrients; and when these operators are isolated, the super-efficient > result will obviate the usual light requirements. > > What did you think of my hydroponic + Beck + Sonic Bloom suggestion? or more > importantly, the synoptic principle behind the hypothesis? I've spoken to Mr. > Kao about radiating minerals' infra-red *emissions* at plants, in addition to > (or instead of) providing them materially; and in spite of all his success to > date, he expressed interest in the prospect. > > Besides these experimental shemes, I've got a few hydropics ideas aimed at > reducing maintence & power input--but please share what you mean by > "aggressive" techniques. > > Regards, Russ -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 07:40:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA32026; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:40:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:40:36 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Earth Resonance In-Reply-To: <916192022.18277.648@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MxwAg2.0.Jq7.qBBes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear HN., Questions, notes,: What do you mean by 'earth is responsive to 8-10 cps? See notes below... On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that > the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 > pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect > this. Micropulsations of earth's field have been detected for years. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do > a high frequency gig What is a 'high frequency gig'? and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I > never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. > So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers > which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own > ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group > of freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free > energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web > site ect. > I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of > us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could > advance the free energy field,to name a few. > Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement > and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? > But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good > results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL > VALIDATION. > Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT > TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses > this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for > the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal > (corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now > the rest of the story. > He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to > excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on > my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send > button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. > I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I > couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. > I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the > recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When > I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not > be relevant. > Sincerly HDN > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 07:43:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA32743; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:43:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:43:18 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:34:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: BEST ???Re: SOLAR!! In-Reply-To: <97c8690d.369cb4a8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"M2afs3.0.W_7.LEBes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, What is the best price anyone has of solar cells? J From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 08:00:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA06429; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:00:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:00:25 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:51:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: "Don J. S. Adams" cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Notes....Re: 'Thought Translation Device' Allows Thinking On Screen BBC News In-Reply-To: <369F11F8.95472FF9@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ikuix2.0.La1.OUBes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, Since 1987 there ahve been at least 5 labs able to do this. The one I worked with for over 9 years... ending 1995... was able to yield nice smooth analog signals... in more than one 'domain' or axis. Since then provate research has yielded severals 'alternative' methods of extracting control signals from humans. J On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Don J. S. Adams wrote: > 'Thought Translation Device' > Allows Thinking On Screen > BBC News > 1-13-99 > > > Paralysed people have been taught to type using their > brainwaves, > thanks to a device which measures the electrical waves > through the > skull. > > Last year two patients were able to write messages on a > computer > via electrodes implanted in their brains but the new > method does not > require risky surgery, simply placing electrodes on the > top of the > head. > > "We have got patients writing messages who couldn't > communicate > at all," said Edward Taub of the University of Alabama > at > Birmingham in New Scientist magazine. > > Motor cortex signals > > The scientists, led by Niels Birbaumer of the > University of Tubingen, > Germany, has to train the three patients to harness > their brain power. > The two electrodes, the size of contact lenses, picked > up signals from > near the motor cortex. > > > The patients had to learn to make their cortical > potentials more > negative or positive to move a cursor up and down a > computer > screen. At each successive session the researchers made > the task > more difficult, requiring the patients to generate > bigger and bigger > changes in their cortical potentials. > > Alphabet choice > > When the patients could control the cursor well, they > began to write. > They selected each letter by whittling down the > alphabet. First they > choose one half of the alphabet, then half of that half > and so on. > > It took the patients an average of 80 seconds to pick a > letter, > meaning a short sentence could be written in about 30 > minutes. > > Dr Taub recognises that a system based solely on > either-or choices > will always be limited. But he believes it will be > possible to train > patients to make choices between more than two options > if they can > create several levels of positive or negative cortical > potential. > > In the meantime, the "thought translation device" could > be speeded > up by using the context of the sentence to make > accurate guesses of > the word after the first letters are typed. > > The patients were suffering from amyotrophic lateral > sclerosis, a > neurodegenerative disease which often leads to total > paralysis > -- > We must accept the truth, > even if it changes our > point of view. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Don J. S. Adams > Managing Consultant > Microsoft > Main Campus, Bldg 1 > Redmond, WA > USA > > 425-882-3431 USA > 403-998-4066 Canada > > http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 08:02:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA06996; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:02:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:02:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E cc: John Schnurer Subject: NOT Thought translation ....papers. Annot. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LVYke.0.6j1.yVBes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I personally designed and built this system still in use by USAF.. JHS ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: papers. Annot. Junker, A.M., Downey, C.W., Schnurer, J.H., and Ingle, D.F. Loop-closure of the visual-cortical Response, Proceedings of the 1988 NAECON , 1523-1529, 1988.  Junker, A.M., Ingle, D.F., Schnurer, J.H., and Downey, C.W. Resource measurement using a closed-loop EEG control system. Proceedings of the 1988 NAECON , 1519-1522, 1988. Junker, A.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Brain actuated control of a roll axis tracking simulator. Proceedings of the 1989 NAECON, 714-717, 1989. Junker, A.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Loop-Closure of the Visual-Cortical Response. Armstrong Aerospace Medical Research Laboratories, Human Systems Division, Air Force Systems Command, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, AAMRL- TR-88-014, 1988. Junker, A.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Steady state evoked potentials possibilities for mental state estimation. Proceedings of the 1987 NASA Mental State Estimation Conference , 1 , 131-154, 1987. Junker, A.M., Tumey, D.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Brain actuated control of a motion base simulator. Proceedings of the 1989 NAECON, 750-751, 1989. Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., Downey, C.W., and Junker, A.M. A real time frequency analysis methodology for evoked potential loop-closure. Proceedings of the NAECON , 1530-1535, 1988. Nasman, V.T., Ingle, D. and Schnurer, J. (1994). Differential hemispheric activation as a possible mechanism for SSVER self-regulation. Psychophysiology, 31, S71. (abstract) Calhoun, G.L., McMillan, G.R., Morton, P.E., Middendorf, M.S., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., Glaser, R.M., & Figoni, S.F. (1995). Control of functional electrical stimulation with a direct brain interface. Proceedings of the RESNA 18th Annual Conference, 696-698. McMillan, G.R., Calhoun, G.L., Middendorf, M.S., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F. & Nasman, V.T. (1995). Direct brain interface utilizing self-regulation of the steady state visual evoked response. Proceedings of the RESNA 18th Annual Conference, 693-698. POPULAR PRESS: *Mind over Matter.* Discover, p. 16, August 1990. Whitaker, Robert, *Mind Games: Devices give new dimension to power of the brain.* Times Union, Albany New York, , pp. A-1, A-8, August 8, 1993. Whitaker, Robert, *Mind Control: A thought can move computers to action.* The Boston Globe, pp. 25-26, August 16, 1993. *Just give it some thought.* Skywrighter: for the Wright-Patterson Community, pg. 5, October 22, 1993. Williams, Lisa, *Brain Over Matter: New Virtual reality technolgoy enables people to operate machine simplay by thinking about it.* Skywrighter: for the Wright-Patterson Community, Vol. 34, No. 43, pps 1, 6, October 29, 1993. Oliveri, Frank, *Flying with Brain Waves*, a side bar in *Virtual Warriers*, Air Force Magazine, pg. 33, January 1994. Daviss, Bennett, *Brain Powered*. Discover, pp 58-65, May 1994. Hitchens, Theresa, *For the USAF, It*s the Thought That Counts: Service Experiments With Human Brain Waves to Control Fighter Cockpits*. Defense News, pg. 12, August 15-21, 1994. (Correction printed Defense News, pg. 4, August 29-September 4, 1994.) *Nervenimpulse steuern Computer: Forscher zapfen das Gehirn an auf der Suche nach neuen Kommunikationskanalen*. Focus, Nr. 28, pp. 104-112, Juli 1994. [German] Scott, William, *Neurotechnologies Linked to Performance Gains.* Aviation Week and Space Technolgoy, pp 55-56, August 15, 1994. Daviss, Bennett, *Thinking It Through*, Air and Space, Vol. 9, No. 3, p. 10, August/September, 1994, *Pilot steuert Maschine mit seinem Geist*, P.M.: Peter Moosleitners interessantes Magazin, Nr. 10, p. 26, 23 Septeber 1994. [German] Shine, Jerry, *Mind Games: Thanks to brain-actuated control, the phrase *Look Ma, no hands* may take on a whole new meaning.* Sky magazine, Delta Air Lines, Volume 23, No. 10, pp. 120-127, October 1994. Shine, Jerry, *Control by Thought: Think and it*s done! Electrodes can now monitor brain waves and convert them into electronic signals that turn off the light or move a computer*s cursor.* The World and I, The Washington Times Corporation, Vol. 9, No. 10, pp. 194-201, October 1994. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 08:14:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA05107; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: PetMagic@aol.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , John Schnurer , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Alternative horticulture... In-Reply-To: <6f15c3f1.369fe80a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"swao91.0.iF1.dgBes"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, My associates and myself have developed several plant related methodologis, including but not limited to; polymers which can pass SW UV ... others that block it...and others to form band pass and pand reject filters ... anti fungals, anti pest and so on... growth modification J Schnurer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 12:48:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA32558; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:48:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:48:33 -0800 Message-ID: <36A0EC21.77F1FB27@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:44:33 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Schnurer CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Notes....Re: 'Thought Translation Device' Allows Thinking On Screen BBC News References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s45Up2.0.dy7.XiFes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: fascinating... I've heard of a number of folks over the years who had been tinkering with this... this one was the latest I'd seen.... John, do you have any more info on this? John Schnurer wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > Since 1987 there ahve been at least 5 labs able to do this. The > one I worked with for over 9 years... ending 1995... was able to yield > nice smooth analog signals... in more than one 'domain' or axis. > > Since then provate research has yielded severals 'alternative' > methods of extracting control signals from humans. > > J > > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Don J. S. Adams wrote: > > > 'Thought Translation Device' > > Allows Thinking On Screen > > BBC News > > 1-13-99 > > > > > > Paralysed people have been taught to type using their > > brainwaves, > > thanks to a device which measures the electrical waves > > through the > > skull. > > > > Last year two patients were able to write messages on a > > computer > > via electrodes implanted in their brains but the new > > method does not > > require risky surgery, simply placing electrodes on the > > top of the > > head. > > > > "We have got patients writing messages who couldn't > > communicate > > at all," said Edward Taub of the University of Alabama > > at > > Birmingham in New Scientist magazine. > > > > Motor cortex signals > > > > The scientists, led by Niels Birbaumer of the > > University of Tubingen, > > Germany, has to train the three patients to harness > > their brain power. > > The two electrodes, the size of contact lenses, picked > > up signals from > > near the motor cortex. > > > > > > The patients had to learn to make their cortical > > potentials more > > negative or positive to move a cursor up and down a > > computer > > screen. At each successive session the researchers made > > the task > > more difficult, requiring the patients to generate > > bigger and bigger > > changes in their cortical potentials. > > > > Alphabet choice > > > > When the patients could control the cursor well, they > > began to write. > > They selected each letter by whittling down the > > alphabet. First they > > choose one half of the alphabet, then half of that half > > and so on. > > > > It took the patients an average of 80 seconds to pick a > > letter, > > meaning a short sentence could be written in about 30 > > minutes. > > > > Dr Taub recognises that a system based solely on > > either-or choices > > will always be limited. But he believes it will be > > possible to train > > patients to make choices between more than two options > > if they can > > create several levels of positive or negative cortical > > potential. > > > > In the meantime, the "thought translation device" could > > be speeded > > up by using the context of the sentence to make > > accurate guesses of > > the word after the first letters are typed. > > > > The patients were suffering from amyotrophic lateral > > sclerosis, a > > neurodegenerative disease which often leads to total > > paralysis > > -- > > We must accept the truth, > > even if it changes our > > point of view. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Don J. S. Adams > > Managing Consultant > > Microsoft > > Main Campus, Bldg 1 > > Redmond, WA > > USA > > > > 425-882-3431 USA > > 403-998-4066 Canada > > > > http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave > > > > -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 12:51:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA00868; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:51:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:51:01 -0800 Message-ID: <002701be4191$e2b30900$11fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:50:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"mKRvo1.0.TD.rkFes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ahh, yes, ahem, whatever. -----Original Message----- From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Earth Resonance > > > Dear HN., > > Questions, notes,: > > > What do you mean by 'earth is responsive to 8-10 cps? > > See notes below... > >On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > >> Yesterday I submitted an entry that describes an experiment that shows that >> the ground indeed is responsive to a signal that fluctuates about 8 to 10 >> pulses per second. Nobody including myself has ever figured a way to detect >> this. > > Micropulsations of earth's field have been detected for years. > > Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems simple enough just to do >> a high frequency gig > > What is a 'high frequency gig'? > > and run the energy to ground to see this effect, but I >> never seen this effect in a career of building Tesla coils which was brief. >> So perhaps it isnt that simple. But I would like to tell our readers >> which may turn out to be mostly simpletons and those who are into their own >> ego and agenda that I spent the time and effort to report this to this group >> of freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Unfortunately business is business and I havent got into the free >> energy field to the extent that others have done and establised my own web >> site ect. >> I think there is a lot of people in the world that have done that and all of >> us should hope that more J.Naudin's;S Hartman's and B Pereault's could >> advance the free energy field,to name a few. >> Now in my particular instance I used the forum initially for amusement >> and to see what everyone else was up to. Isn't that what inventors do? >> But of course this breed tends to get secretive and wants to hoard the good >> results of experimentation to themselves, and then they want EXTERNAL >> VALIDATION. >> Now it happens to be that I used to make entrees under the name MEAT >> TRUCK, but that was my brothers handle and his computer crashed. He uses >> this blessed machine to track the stock market to make money which pays for >> the machine. He said upon recognizance the new terminal >> (corncob.ix.netcom.com) shall never be used for discussion lists. And now >> the rest of the story. >> He said "Hey Harvey, even an idiot like you can get free e-mail. Go to >> excite.com So I subscribed to this service. Now after sending this info on >> my experiment yesterday,(Rickster, I am not a trickster} I pressed the send >> button. I got a screen that said my login had expired, please login again. >> I did so and my entree had vanished into history. I was so pissed off I >> couldn't see straight. I wrote them a nasty letter. It does no good. >> I was put here in the world to do good and not bad. These are the >> recorded frustrations of a free energy inventor named Harvey D. Norris. When >> I get the time and effort I will resubmit the material that may or may not >> be relevant. >> Sincerly HDN >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 12:53:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA01496; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:52:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:52:17 -0800 Message-ID: <36A0ECBC.77A95A48@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:47:08 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: NOT Thought translation ....papers. Annot. (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gioIg.0.9N._lFes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: any chance at acquiring more info on this? or is the meaty stuff considered proprietary or under non-disclosure? I'm guessing it must me if its used by the USAF? John Schnurer wrote: > > I personally designed and built this system still in use by USAF.. > > JHS > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: John Schnurer > To: John Schnurer > Subject: papers. Annot. > > Junker, A.M., Downey, C.W., Schnurer, J.H., and Ingle, D.F. Loop-closure of the visual-cortical Response, Proceedings of the 1988 NAECON , 1523-1529, 1988. >  > Junker, A.M., Ingle, D.F., Schnurer, J.H., and Downey, C.W. Resource measurement using a closed-loop EEG control system. Proceedings of the 1988 NAECON , 1519-1522, 1988. > > Junker, A.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Brain actuated control of a roll axis tracking simulator. Proceedings of the 1989 NAECON, 714-717, 1989. > > Junker, A.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Loop-Closure of the Visual-Cortical Response. Armstrong Aerospace Medical Research Laboratories, Human Systems Division, Air Force Systems Command, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, AAMR L-TR-88-014, 1988. > > Junker, A.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Steady state evoked potentials possibilities for mental state estimation. Proceedings of the 1987 NASA Mental State Estimation Conference , 1 , 131-154, 1987. > > Junker, A.M., Tumey, D.M., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., and Downey, C.W. Brain actuated control of a motion base simulator. Proceedings of the 1989 NAECON, 750-751, 1989. > > Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., Downey, C.W., and Junker, A.M. A real time frequency analysis methodology for evoked potential loop-closure. Proceedings of the NAECON , 1530-1535, 1988. > > Nasman, V.T., Ingle, D. and Schnurer, J. (1994). Differential hemispheric activation as a possible mechanism for SSVER self-regulation. Psychophysiology, 31, S71. (abstract) > > Calhoun, G.L., McMillan, G.R., Morton, P.E., Middendorf, M.S., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F., Glaser, R.M., & Figoni, S.F. (1995). Control of functional electrical stimulation with a direct brain interface. Proceedings of the RESNA 18th Annual Conferenc e, 696-698. > > McMillan, G.R., Calhoun, G.L., Middendorf, M.S., Schnurer, J.H., Ingle, D.F. & Nasman, V.T. (1995). Direct brain interface utilizing self-regulation of the steady state visual evoked response. Proceedings of the RESNA 18th Annual Conference, 693-698. > > POPULAR PRESS: > *Mind over Matter.* Discover, p. 16, August 1990. > > Whitaker, Robert, *Mind Games: Devices give new dimension to power of the brain.* Times Union, Albany New York, , pp. A-1, A-8, August 8, 1993. > > Whitaker, Robert, *Mind Control: A thought can move computers to action.* The Boston Globe, pp. 25-26, August 16, 1993. > > *Just give it some thought.* Skywrighter: for the Wright-Patterson Community, pg. 5, October 22, 1993. > > Williams, Lisa, *Brain Over Matter: New Virtual reality technolgoy enables people to operate machine simplay by thinking about it.* Skywrighter: for the Wright-Patterson Community, Vol. 34, No. 43, pps 1, 6, October 29, 1993. > > Oliveri, Frank, *Flying with Brain Waves*, a side bar in *Virtual Warriers*, Air Force Magazine, pg. 33, January 1994. > > Daviss, Bennett, *Brain Powered*. Discover, pp 58-65, May 1994. > > Hitchens, Theresa, *For the USAF, It*s the Thought That Counts: Service Experiments With Human Brain Waves to Control Fighter Cockpits*. Defense News, pg. 12, August 15-21, 1994. (Correction printed Defense News, pg. 4, August 29-September 4, 1994.) > > *Nervenimpulse steuern Computer: Forscher zapfen das Gehirn an auf der Suche nach neuen Kommunikationskanalen*. Focus, Nr. 28, pp. 104-112, Juli 1994. [German] > > Scott, William, *Neurotechnologies Linked to Performance Gains.* Aviation Week and Space Technolgoy, pp 55-56, August 15, 1994. > > Daviss, Bennett, *Thinking It Through*, Air and Space, Vol. 9, No. 3, p. 10, August/September, 1994, > > *Pilot steuert Maschine mit seinem Geist*, P.M.: Peter Moosleitners interessantes Magazin, Nr. 10, p. 26, 23 Septeber 1994. [German] > > Shine, Jerry, *Mind Games: Thanks to brain-actuated control, the phrase *Look Ma, no hands* may take on a whole new meaning.* Sky magazine, Delta Air Lines, Volume 23, No. 10, pp. 120-127, October 1994. > > Shine, Jerry, *Control by Thought: Think and it*s done! Electrodes can now monitor brain waves and convert them into electronic signals that turn off the light or move a computer*s cursor.* The World and I, The Washington Times Corporation, Vol. 9, N o. 10, pp. 194-201, October 1994. -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 12:56:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05971; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:56:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:56:40 -0800 Message-ID: <36A0EDE6.5DDBB704@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:52:06 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Great Pyramid functioned as a water pump References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Px91C1.0.CT1.8qFes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8543 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: anyone hear of this before? http://www.surf.to/ppf From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 13:10:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA11718; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:10:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:10:46 -0800 Message-ID: <001701be4195$df81a260$5bfbfea9@eugene-buchanan> From: "Eugene Buchanan" To: Subject: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly into electricity? Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:19:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE4152.D0629D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"o6M8L.0.ts2.L1Ges"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8544 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE4152.D0629D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Advanced materials such as germanium and cadmium zinc telluride are used = to detect gamma radaiation. But is there a away to convert gamma = radiation directly into electricity like a photovolatic cell? 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Advanced materials such as germanium = and cadmium=20 zinc telluride are used to detect gamma radaiation. But is there a away = to=20 convert gamma radiation directly into electricity like a photovolatic = cell? Do=20 we have access to solid state gamma energy=20 conveters?
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE4152.D0629D40-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 13:33:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA18260; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:33:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:33:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:25:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: "Don J. S. Adams" cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: NOT Thought translation ....papers. Annot. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <36A0ECBC.77A95A48@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HgN-91.0.CT4.sMGes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, None of the stuff is classified or concealed. This is rigorous signal procesing.... but that is all. I do not have any of these as electronic versions... but solicit the conference proceedings, or go to good tech library. I have, from time to time, built 'one-off' systems for interested parties... There are several methods of signal acquisition from biological organsims. Not cheap, but never dull. John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 13:34:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA18608; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:34:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:34:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:26:00 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly into electricity? In-Reply-To: <001701be4195$df81a260$5bfbfea9@eugene-buchanan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oJZuK2.0.XY4.eNGes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Turn OFF the html generator!!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 13:37:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21749; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:37:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:37:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E cc: John Schnurer Subject: Barker...Interesting clean-up? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nmOIY2.0.VJ5.bQGes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, Wm A. Barker's methods.... not requiring a reactor, work fine. J ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:15:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: Interesting clean-up? (fwd) LONDON - European and American physicists are in a race to come up with a viable solution to destroy hazardous radioactive waste with a neutron treatment called transmutation, the New Scientist reported on Wednesday. The magazine said transmutation might destroy the existing inventory of deadly plutonium, minimise the threat of nuclear terrorism and might even help to generate electricity. "Add a neutron or two to some of the most dangerous radioactive elements and you destroy then," the weekly said. "Plutonium, for example, is split asunder, while the most intractable fission products are rendered harmless." Physicists believe that transmutation can shorten to 15.8 seconds from 200,000 years the time it takes for one of the most noxious constituents of radioactive waste, technetium-99, to decay to half its initial radioactive level. Technetium-99 is a fission product of uranium and reactors around the world spew out about six tonnes of it each year. Because it dissolves easily in water, it accumulates in the food chain. Concentrations of the product have risen 100-fold in some parts of the ocean since the 1960s because of nuclear policy. Despite some scepticism, the Spanish, French and Italian governments are about to receive a report outlining the details needed to build a prototype transmutation reactor, the magazine reported, while the U.S. Department of Energy is ploughing $4.0 million into its own research and development. With new research into a theory that had been rejected as technologically and economically unfeasible, European physicists are also now trying to produce cheap power on top of destroying plutonium and reducing hazardous waste. Their proposed machine has been dubbed the "Energy Amplifier" by its designer, the Nobel prize winning physicist Carlo Rubbia. But so far, all research is at an early stage. Despite being bullish, experts only have a simulation and a series of experiments on isolated aspects of a system. And observers remain cautious. Richard Bush, the fuel processing manager at Britain's AEA Technology science and engineering business, said too many untested claims were being made. Others say technically the process is on the "edge of the possible" but still question whether it makes economic sense. (C) Reuters Limited 1999. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 13:41:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24357; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:41:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:41:32 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <19990115160405.3324.qmail@nw171.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CuxTh1.0.Ny5.BUGes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8548 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear R., You put a lot of work into the pictures... and math... Do an experiment and see if you get more out.... from years of playing pool I will say you don't. Not being a math guy I will say if the impacts are perfectly divided... then 1/2 of the energy goes to each ball. J On 15 Jan 1999, Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > Dear all, > please visit my site and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. > > http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html > > Thanks, > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 15:22:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06969; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:21:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: High Frequency Gig Message-Id: <916528849.22889.819@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:20:49 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3See-2.0.li1.3yHes"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > What is a 'high frequency gig'? > > A "high frequency gig" is a process using air gaps to change a source frequency such as 60 hz. from the wall into a higher frequency such as 166,000 hz. as I have done in my experiments. This may have been discovered by Tesla as in its use in tesla coils.Many different arc gap and high frequency systems exist besides the noted tesla coil. It was one of these that I could hook a neon bulb to one end, a metal pole driven into the earth at the other connection, and the bulb in between would flash 8 cps. In this example the earth is used as a polar capacity, or one wire transmission.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 16:47:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA18155; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:47:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:47:27 -0800 Message-ID: <059901be41b3$306f3b20$8e8080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly into electricity? Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:49:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0596_01BE4189.440ED3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QIuU33.0.aR4.VCJes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0596_01BE4189.440ED3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wasn't there someone on this list claiming ormus gold used to be used to = light up the night sky on top of the pyramids? =20 If we could tap natural background radiation and convert it into modern = day useable forms, I wonder if there is enough to do anything useful = with. Maybe power a flashlight? Advanced materials such as germanium and cadmium zinc telluride are = used to detect gamma radaiation. But is there a away to convert gamma = radiation directly into electricity like a photovolatic cell? Do we have = access to solid state gamma energy conveters? ------=_NextPart_000_0596_01BE4189.440ED3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wasn't there = someone on this=20 list claiming ormus gold used to be used to light up the night sky on = top of the=20 pyramids?   
If we could = tap natural=20 background radiation and convert it into modern day useable forms, I = wonder if=20 there is enough to do anything useful with.  Maybe power a=20 flashlight?
Advanced materials such as = germanium and=20 cadmium zinc telluride are used to detect gamma radaiation. But is = there a=20 away to convert gamma radiation directly into electricity like a=20 photovolatic cell? Do we have access to solid state gamma energy=20 conveters?
------=_NextPart_000_0596_01BE4189.440ED3E0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 16:59:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23277; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:59:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:59:32 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 40% Overunity Message-Id: <916534751.20137.243@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:59:11 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4O1Hh.0.Wh5.qNJes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:14:51 -0500 (EST), John Schnurer wrote: > \\ > > Dear Harvey,\ > > Some of us do not have www access... can you just sent it out as > ASCII? Not as attch.... just ASCII...Please > > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > > > I have posted an argument for 40% overunity at the following messageboard. > > www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > Comments here or there are welcome. > > I would like to see the error of my thinking if it indeed does exist. HDN > > > >Dont understand meaning of request. HDN > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > > > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 17:41:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA02623; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:40:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:40:54 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Shine on crazy diamond. Message-Id: <916537231.23677.341@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:40:31 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"sTeSD2.0.qe.c-Jes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:14:10 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > Howdy Meat. > > OK, lets see if I understand you. > > Some nomenclature.... > > +N----S- > > means a coil which is wound such that when a positive voltage > is applied to + a north magnetic pole appears there. > > Your second case looks like this... > > +N----S- +N-----S- > > where the two coils are driven in phase. > > Your first case looks like this > > +N----S- -S-----N+ > > where one coil is driven 180 degrees out of phase with > respect to the first. The result is to produce a field > like so > > N----S N----S > > Both cases produce the same result, that of the > magnetic fields aiding. > > Now, looking 90 degrees into the wave, the potential > at the "midpoint" for both coils is the same for case two. > So if we made a differential measurement of voltage > between the midpoints we would see zero voltage. > For case one, because of the phase difference, we > would see the difference between the two voltages, or > double the voltage. > > Am I following? I think you are astute concerning nomenclature but may have missed the point. Magnetically the two examples do the same thing, but in the case of driving the coils from opposing polarities and then reversing the coils so that they are in magnetic agreement several considerations should be noted. 1) The cited examples were meant to be understood in the context of large air core coils. 2) The impedance of each coil measured at 60 hz determines the capacity needed to resonate at 60 hz. 3) Each plug from the wall powering a series resonance is no different from both circuits being in parrallel 4) When two of these wall powered circuits are placed together in space at the poles, either in AC agreement or disagreement, the mutual inductive effect between the two in turn will change each value of impedance, which in turn changes each capacity needed to ideally resonate. 5) The adjustments made in that circumstance may involve a lot and trial and error. 6) When these air coils are resonated a internally generated voltage does the job of trying to make the full amount of current flow according to the ohms law. This is known as the series resonant rise of voltage which essentially establishes an unobvious voltage at the midpoint between the coil and cap. 7) When opposite polarities are used to create 2 AC coils in mutual inductive agreement one coil will be creating an unobvious compression of electrons at its midpoint; concurrent with the other creating an unobvious vaccuum of electrons at its midpoint.When an infinite load is placed across those points it will measure twice the resonant rise of voltage than either side alone could supply HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 17:44:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA04578; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:43:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:43:34 -0800 Message-ID: <005101be41bb$fd142c00$5bfbfea9@eugene-buchanan> From: "Eugene Buchanan" To: Subject: Re: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly into electricity? Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:52:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01BE4178.EE0F1780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BsumX2.0.K71.61Kes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BE4178.EE0F1780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is quite a bit of it in this vicinty of interstellar space Gamma-ray astronomy is a late bloomer. The techniques needed to detect = the highest energy photons have only become available in the last 30 = years - a blink of the eye in terms of mankind's involvement in = astronomical research. Gamma-rays simply pass through most materials and = thus cannot be reflected by a mirror like optical or even X-ray photons. = The tools of high-energy physics, however, are borrowed to detect and = characterize gamma-ray photons and allow scientists to observe the = cosmos up to energies of 1 TeV (1,000,000,000,000 eV, where an optical = photon has an energy of a few eV) or beyond!=20 Unfortunately, gamma-ray detectors have to contend with a large = contamination from cosmic rays. Cosmic rays - elementary particles which = are come from all parts of the sky - often affect gamma-ray detectors in = a similar manner to the source photons. This background must be = suppressed in order to obtain a pure photonic signal. This is even more = important when you consider that sources of cosmic gamma-rays are = extremely weak and require long observations, sometimes several weeks, = to get a significant detection or accurate measurement of a source. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wallace` To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; sunshine@blarg.net = Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 4:49 PM Subject: Re: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly = into electricity? =20 =20 Wasn't there someone on this list claiming ormus gold used to be = used to light up the night sky on top of the pyramids? =20 If we could tap natural background radiation and convert it into = modern day useable forms, I wonder if there is enough to do anything = useful with. Maybe power a flashlight? Advanced materials such as germanium and cadmium zinc telluride = are used to detect gamma radaiation. But is there a away to convert = gamma radiation directly into electricity like a photovolatic cell? Do = we have access to solid state gamma energy conveters? ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BE4178.EE0F1780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is quite a bit of it in this = vicinty of=20 interstellar space
 
Gamma-ray=20 astronomy is a late bloomer. The techniques needed to detect the highest = energy=20 photons have only become available in the last 30 years - a blink of the = eye in=20 terms of mankind's involvement in astronomical research. Gamma-rays = simply pass=20 through most materials and thus cannot be reflected by a mirror like = optical or=20 even X-ray photons. The tools of high-energy physics, however, are = borrowed to=20 detect and characterize gamma-ray photons and allow scientists to = observe the=20 cosmos up to energies of 1 TeV (1,000,000,000,000 eV, where an optical = photon=20 has an energy of a few eV) or beyond!=20

Unfortunately, gamma-ray detectors have to contend with a large = contamination=20 from cosmic rays. Cosmic rays - elementary particles which are come from = all=20 parts of the sky - often affect gamma-ray detectors in a similar manner = to the=20 source photons. This background must be suppressed in order to obtain a = pure=20 photonic signal. This is even more important when you consider that = sources of=20 cosmic gamma-rays are extremely weak and require long observations, = sometimes=20 several weeks, to get a significant detection or accurate measurement of = a=20 source.

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bill Wallace` <btech@surfsouth.com>
To:= =20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com = <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>; = sunshine@blarg.net <sunshine@blarg.net>
Date:= =20 Saturday, January 16, 1999 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: How = can you=20 convert background gamma radiation directly into=20 electricity?

Wasn't = there someone on=20 this list claiming ormus gold used to be used to light up the night = sky on=20 top of the pyramids?   
If we = could tap natural=20 background radiation and convert it into modern day useable forms, I = wonder=20 if there is enough to do anything useful with.  Maybe power a=20 flashlight?
Advanced materials such as = germanium and=20 cadmium zinc telluride are used to detect gamma radaiation. But = is there=20 a away to convert gamma radiation directly into electricity like = a=20 photovolatic cell? Do we have access to solid state gamma energy = = conveters?
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BE4178.EE0F1780-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 18:44:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA15677; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:44:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: RBCorn2@aol.com Message-ID: <353a1be7.36a14ad1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:28:33 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Voltage Limiting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"21FVE1.0.qq3.IwKes"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey gang, any ideas how to limit the output of an Op Amp to <250mV? Using an NE567 tone decoder for frequency detection but after Sallen-Key filtering the output is too high. Easy voltage divider problem right?....Not if the input is undetermined and a single pulse, otherwise I could PLL or AGC. signed, Rob EE Senior project in trouble....... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 18:56:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21521; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:56:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:56:25 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unobvious Potentials Message-Id: <916541764.3535.391@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:56:04 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"dKqG51.0.AG5.P5Les"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: An unobvious potential has often been given this analogy; two hands pressing against each other so that little or no work or movement takes place.While very apt the opposite analogy is never noted; that of two hands tied together each forcing a separation from each other. Indeed it is easy to show that although these internal voltages exist inside electrical resonance almost every attempt to harness them in the conventional manner has failed because they fall under the broad category of what is called a resonant choke circuit. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 19:41:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA01768; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:41:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:41:38 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Single resonant choke circuit. Message-Id: <916544477.4322.714@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:41:17 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RRaMh.0.XR.nlLes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8556 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To use the example of a resonant rise of voltage, a coil of 20,000 winds of 23 gauge registers a resistance of 1000 ohms. This is about nine miles of wire weighing 80 lb,around a five in. diameter air core. Now when the coil is plugged into the wall voltage,120v@60hz, only 5 ma conducts. It conducts 20 times less amperage than if the wire was never in a coiled formation of 20,000 winds. Because of the massive windings a consequent magnetic field is formed whenever amperage exists; whether it alternates or not. It is commonly assumed that because energy is stored in this magnetic field, it must come from the input energy. O'contaire,forgive my french, but that was only energy that would have been manifested in heat if the length of wire was not coiled,and was not inputed in any form. By the coiling of the wire an input energy was blocked from expressing itself, while still able to give something back on its collapse. These are the effects of magnetic inertia.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 19:59:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA06532; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:59:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:59:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199901170358.WAA15147@mail.enter.net> From: "David Rosignoli" Organization: Enter.Net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:47:15 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: gravity article (fwd) Priority: normal In-reply-to: Resent-Message-ID: <"e1OD81.0.zb1.40Mes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Is there an article that accompanies this abstract? It sounds largely theoretical. Just wondering if it includes the work done by Podkletnov and others (like NASA) in their experiments. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:09:02 PST > From: Giovanni Modanese > To: billb@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: article > > "Gravitational Anomalies by HTC Superconductors: a 1999 Theoretical > Status Report" ------------------- David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" - Pilot of the aircraft Voyager, as he's about to go around the world. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 20:27:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA14892; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:26:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:26:58 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Single resonant choke circuit. Message-Id: <916547197.26105.986@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:26:37 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xzT992.0.Xe3.IQMes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:41:17 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: > To use the example of a resonant rise of voltage, a coil of 20,000 winds of > 23 gauge registers a resistance of 1000 ohms. This is about nine miles of > wire weighing 80 lb,around a five in. diameter air core. Now when the coil > is plugged into the wall voltage,120v@60hz, only 5 ma conducts. It conducts > 20 times less amperage than if the wire was never in a coiled formation of > 20,000 winds. Because of the massive windings a consequent magnetic field is > formed whenever amperage exists; whether it alternates or not. It is > commonly assumed that because energy is stored in this magnetic field, it > must come from the input energy. O'contaire,forgive my french, but that was > only energy that would have been manifested in heat if the length of wire > was not coiled,and was not inputed in any form. By the coiling of the wire > an input energy was blocked from expressing itself, while still able to give > something back on its collapse. These are the effects of magnetic > inertia.HDN > > Because the coil only conducted 5 ma,the resistive effect to 60 hz is almost entirely entirely due to inductive reactance which comprises 99.98% of the figure arrived at due to the impedance, so the two words are synonomous in this case. By finding a capacitive value that also conducts 5 ma from the wall, or .12mf, when these values are placed in series to the 60 hz a internal rise of voltage occurs inside at a ratio determined experimentally to be 15/1 but less than expected by theory. Now at the midpoint of this single resonant circuit this unobvious potential will give that voltage with respect to either end of connection. However once that connection is made the available amperage that would be normally be available is INSTANTANEOUSLY cut off because this connection does one of two things which both take the circuit back to its original condition of being entirely wholly inductive or capacitive in which the conduction of the system again reverts back to to 5 ma. which is entirely unable to secure the means of conducting through a gap composed of air or commonly reffered to as an arc gap.HDN > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 20:34:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA18843; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:34:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:34:04 -0800 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Cc: vortex-L@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:28:31 -0800 Subject: Puzzling simple electrostatics problem Message-ID: <19990116.202840.10046.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,8-9,13-14,22-23,25-31 From: tv@juno.com (Tim Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"s0NWO.0.Ec4.yWMes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please, I need some help with what should be an easy physics problem. I seem to be confusing myself. An isolated hollow metal sphere has a certain capacitance. Would the capacitance of the sphere be effected if the hollow sphere were filled with a dielectric ? I know that a dielectric placed near or around the sphere will increase its capacitance. When I first thought about this, it seemed that Gauss's law would apply here. The electric field in the sphere would be zero, so my first reaction would be to say that the internal dielectric would not be effected by any charge applied to the sphere. However, what confuses me is this: Say the sphere and internal dielectric are initially neutral (same number of electrons and protons), but then a strong external potential pulls electrons from the metal sphere making it positive. Since the electrons remaining are all mutually repulsive, it would seem they would redistribute themselves slightly, including the electrons in the dielectric. So this would seem to mean that the capacitance of the sphere would be greater if it were filled with a dielectric (or maybe even a conductor)/ Or would it just be the electrons in the conductor that would redistribute ? Thanks in advance, Tim ( tv@juno.com ) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 20:55:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA26531; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:55:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:55:00 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Arc gap method Message-Id: <916548878.26422.427@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:54:38 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"dvS4t.0.RU6.aqMes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: By putting a single Newman type air coil into AC resonance, usually by practical 60 hz methods, the voltage can be made high enough to jump an air gap on one of the elements alone. This is a means to throw the coil into a high frequency episode which this is only a primitive example of the way these gaps can be used. In the preceeding example the 120 wall voltage is not high enough to make the arc jump the gap since only 1800 volts is available to make this from wall voltage alone. My first note of high frequency in those experiments was when I used 440 as an input which enabled staccato firecracker like discharges to develope with loud retort. That arctivity caused EM interference of a great degree. It was of great interest to me to understand how arc gap methods could be refined to such a degree as to provide very litlle or no bleed off into the radio spectrum as Tesla proclaimed in his own devices.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 21:31:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA06171; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:29:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:29:28 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Puzzling simple electrostatics problem Message-Id: <916550946.28465.913@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:29:06 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"-Uqtr2.0.KW1.uKNes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:28:31 -0800, Tim Vaughan wrote: > Please, I need some help with what should be an easy physics problem. I > seem to be confusing myself. > > An isolated hollow metal sphere has a certain capacitance. Would the > capacitance of the sphere be effected if the hollow sphere were filled > with a dielectric ? > > I know that a dielectric placed near or around the sphere will increase > its capacitance. > > When I first thought about this, it seemed that Gauss's law would apply > here. The electric field in the sphere would be zero, so my first > reaction would be to say that the internal dielectric would not be > effected by any charge applied to the sphere. > De Ja Vu; it seems like I have already read this. Electricity at High Pressures and Frequencies by H.L.Transtrom talks about the concept of isolated capacities and gives some highly unusual figures. Concerning your question I can be of no help but perhaps you have read this already,but maybe others on the list have not so I will quote from pg.157 which I happened to have marked. The capacity of isolated spheres are found to vary as their radii. A sphere having a radius of 1 centimeter, hung up in space at an infinite distance from any other conductor;has unit electrostatic capacity;so the capacity of spheres in electrostatic units can be given directly from their radii in centimeters. Consequently, a sphere having a radius of 9 times 10 to the 11th power cm has a capacity of one farad, and a sphere of 900,000 cm. radius equals one microfarad; hence some authors write 1 microfarad as 900,000 cm of capacity. This usage of the term capacity is used in that terminology in Tesla's day as evidenced in the Colorado Spring Notes. Sincerly HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 21:53:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA13621; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:52:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:52:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:52:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901170552.VAA03510@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Single resonant choke circuit. Resent-Message-ID: <"Al6d11.0.hK3.AgNes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8562 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey and all, At 07:41 PM 1/16/99 PST, you wrote: >To use the example of a resonant rise of voltage, a coil of 20,000 winds of >23 gauge registers a resistance of 1000 ohms. This is about nine miles of >wire weighing 80 lb,around a five in. diameter air core. Now when the coil >is plugged into the wall voltage,120v@60hz, only 5 ma conducts. It conducts >20 times less amperage than if the wire was never in a coiled formation of >20,000 winds. Because of the massive windings a consequent magnetic field is >formed whenever amperage exists; whether it alternates or not. It is >commonly assumed that because energy is stored in this magnetic field, it >must come from the input energy. O'contaire,forgive my french, but that was >only energy that would have been manifested in heat if the length of wire >was not coiled,and was not inputed in any form. By the coiling of the wire >an input energy was blocked from expressing itself, while still able to give >something back on its collapse. These are the effects of magnetic >inertia.HDN > Yes, when the wire is wound in a coil, it has more inductance and inductive reactance. So the 2 in series reduces the input current from just the resistive case. However, the power dissipated in the resistance is I^2*R, so when the current is reduced, the input power to the resistance falls off as I^2 while the input power falls off as I only. The balance of the energy is what goes into the inductance = magnetic field. In your case, with 1000 Ohms and only 5mA current, only 5 volts is across the resistance. The rest of the voltage, in quadrature, is across the inductance. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 22:32:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA30722; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:30:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:30:01 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: A shocking experience Message-Id: <916554580.6428.159@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:29:40 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ScjfW3.0.xV7.fDOes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In regard to what we call a polar capacity, It is a capacity that is used as one end of delivery timed with the frequency so that a load could be powered in between. In high frequency effects the human body is often, or used to be often,used to show this effect.In the mild effects I have produced I have shown others the proclivity for sending these currents through the body for healthful rejuvenation; particular at joints of arthritic constriction. In this kind of treatment I was showing a person how the current goes through the glass of the neon tube to the affected part, and I was encouraging that person to touch the actual end electrode to recieve further stimulation beyond the first. Howevever I had just demonstrated how this device exhibits the 8 cps when connected to ground and I did not realize that one of my hands was still in contact with that ground. I grabbed the bulb away from him and said watch how safe this is. Everything was alright until I touched the end electrode when I got a good jolt and actually felt a burning sensation on the other hand connected to the ground. Whoa, wont do that again. Safety is always found by experience. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 16 22:55:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA06372; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:55:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:55:11 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Single resonant choke circuit. Message-Id: <916556089.12730.899@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:54:49 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bA17G.0.PZ1.EbOes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), dave dameron wrote: > Hi Harvey and all, > At 07:41 PM 1/16/99 PST, you wrote: > >To use the example of a resonant rise of voltage, a coil of 20,000 winds of > >23 gauge registers a resistance of 1000 ohms. This is about nine miles of > >wire weighing 80 lb,around a five in. diameter air core. Now when the coil > >is plugged into the wall voltage,120v@60hz, only 5 ma conducts. It conducts > >20 times less amperage than if the wire was never in a coiled formation of > >20,000 winds. Because of the massive windings a consequent magnetic field is > >formed whenever amperage exists; whether it alternates or not. It is > >commonly assumed that because energy is stored in this magnetic field, it > >must come from the input energy. O'contaire,forgive my french, but that was > >only energy that would have been manifested in heat if the length of wire > >was not coiled,and was not inputed in any form. By the coiling of the wire > >an input energy was blocked from expressing itself, while still able to give > >something back on its collapse. These are the effects of magnetic > >inertia.HDN > > > Yes, when the wire is wound in a coil, it has more inductance and inductive > reactance. So the 2 in series reduces the input current from just the > resistive case. However, the power dissipated in the resistance is I^2*R, so > when the current is reduced, the input power to the resistance falls off as > I^2 while the input power falls off as I only. The balance of the energy is > what goes into the inductance = magnetic field. In your case, with 1000 Ohms > and only 5mA current, > only 5 volts is across the resistance. The rest of the voltage, in > quadrature, is across the inductance. > -Dave Good analysis, although I dont understand if the quadrature is a joke. What I was going to reply is that the amount of energy in oscillation is three times greater than that from I squared losses on this model @ 60 hz.Nobody has said that this energy is tappable, only arguments by virtue of theory are being made. The energy stored in the magnetic field is of course one half L I squared which turns out to be roughly the same as one half C V squared by experimental observation. I then assume that in this model 15 watts are expended in heat losses of the coil while 45 watts of energy transfer occur. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 00:49:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA25599; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:49:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:49:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Puzzling simple electrostatics problem In-Reply-To: <19990116.202840.10046.0.tv@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"L8ciR2.0.hF6.6GQes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Tim Vaughan wrote: > However, what confuses me is this: Say the sphere and internal > dielectric are initially neutral (same number of electrons and protons), > but then a strong external potential pulls electrons from the metal > sphere making it positive. Since the electrons remaining are all > mutually repulsive, it would seem they would redistribute themselves > slightly, including the electrons in the dielectric. So this would seem > to mean that the capacitance of the sphere would be greater if it were > filled with a dielectric (or maybe even a conductor)/ > > Or would it just be the electrons in the conductor that would > redistribute ? I think that only the electrons in the surface atoms of the conductor would redisribute. And they redistribute so as to eliminate any e-fields in the metal, therefor no e-fields can extend through the metal and into the dielectric. If you took ALL the electrons out of the metal, it would be an insulator, and finally the fields could get in. But it takes huge energy to remove major amounts of electrons. I remember a homework problem in Halliday and Resnik where you take all the conduction electrons out of a penny and place them upon another penny, then separate the pennies until the attraction force decreases to some thousands of tons. The distance is some godawful huge number of kilometers. Therefor, if you take all the electrons out of a penny, the remaining positive ions will self-repel, and your neighborhood will have a very large crater in it. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 00:56:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA28432; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:56:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:56:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: New torsion-fields article Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mwUFF1.0.2y6.kMQes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A new review article on Russian torsion field research is now on my tors page: Theoretical Basics of Experimental Phenomena Yu.V.Nachalov http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/tors/tors3.html Vacuum spin fields page http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/tors/ ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 03:44:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA18674; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:44:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:44:07 -0800 Message-ID: <19990117113901.29312.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 17 Jan 99 18:39:01 ICT From: Rangsan Rayanasuk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Re: Unidentified subject!] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nG1wq2.0.hZ4.6qSes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8567 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear John, Thank you for your comment. Actually, I've basically done an experiment and found the idea worked as expected. The problem's that the model used for proving the theory was designed in a very simple way that sometimes fails to carry out the very precise experiment at all time. While deciding if I should rebuild a new model in which I'm supposed to put more money and time, I thought it'd be far easier to prove the theory mathematically. That's why I'm trying to have it examined theoretically instead. I'm sure you've never ever seen this specific kind of collision on a pool table before. It even hardly happens natually because after a collision according to the theory, the moving object (the only one that moves before the collision) never becomes at rest after the collision. So the overlap never natually happens either. When I say "overlap", it means a sudden emergence of an obect between at least two objects in a way that displaces their positions in space. When the moving object doesn't stop after the collision, it,therefore,can't take the driven object places in space either completely or partially. After all, the collision according to the theory can be arranged under specific condition. And again, it seems expensive and time-consuming that I'd rather prove it theoretically. Thank you very much for your comment. It's very useful and I hope we can keep the discussion on. Gratefully, freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com wrote: Dear R., You put a lot of work into the pictures... and math... Do an experiment and see if you get more out.... from years of playing pool I will say you don't. Not being a math guy I will say if the impacts are perfectly divided... then 1/2 of the energy goes to each ball. J On 15 Jan 1999, Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > Dear all, > please visit my site and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. > > http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html > > Thanks, > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 03:53:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA20847; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:52:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: <19990117114702.15581.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 17 Jan 99 18:47:02 ICT From: Rangsan Rayanasuk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: overlap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VI2G81.0.b55.PySes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8568 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear all, Please visit my home page and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html Thanks, ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 08:14:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA05256; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:14:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:14:27 -0800 Message-ID: <36A20C5F.9C4442D1@York.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:14:23 +0000 From: Adam Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: High Frequency Gig References: <916528849.22889.819@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7cSgH.0.1I1.ZnWes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME ANYMORE E-MAILS. THANKYOU> Harvey Norris wrote: > > > > What is a 'high frequency gig'? > > > > A "high frequency gig" is a process using air gaps to change a source > frequency such as 60 hz. from the wall into a higher frequency such as > 166,000 hz. as I have done in my experiments. This may have been discovered > by Tesla as in its use in tesla coils.Many different arc gap and high > frequency systems exist besides the noted tesla coil. It was one of these > that I could hook a neon bulb to one end, a metal pole driven into the earth > at the other connection, and the bulb in between would flash 8 cps. In this > example the earth is used as a polar capacity, or one wire transmission.HDN > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 08:15:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA05566; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:15:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: <36A20C80.AE66543F@York.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:14:56 +0000 From: Adam Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Re: Unidentified subject!] References: <19990117113901.29312.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HNF731.0.gM1.6oWes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please do not send me anymore E-mails. Thankyou. Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > > Dear John, > Thank you for your comment. Actually, I've basically done an experiment and > found the idea worked as expected. The problem's that the model used for > proving the theory was designed in a very simple way that sometimes fails to > carry out the very precise experiment at all time. While deciding if I should > rebuild a new model in which I'm supposed to put more money and time, I > thought it'd be far easier to prove the theory mathematically. That's why I'm > trying to have it examined theoretically instead. > I'm sure you've never ever seen this specific kind of collision on a pool > table before. It even hardly happens natually because after a collision > according to the theory, the moving object (the only one that moves before the > collision) never becomes at rest after the collision. So the overlap never > natually happens either. When I say "overlap", it means a sudden emergence of > an obect between at least two objects in a way that displaces their positions > in space. When the moving object doesn't stop after the collision, > it,therefore,can't take the driven object places in space either completely or > partially. After all, the collision according to the theory can be arranged > under specific condition. And again, it seems expensive and time-consuming > that I'd rather prove it theoretically. > Thank you very much for your comment. It's very useful and I hope we can > keep the discussion on. > > Gratefully, > > freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com wrote: > > Dear R., > > You put a lot of work into the pictures... and math... > Do an experiment and see if you get more out.... from years of > playing pool I will say you don't. > Not being a math guy I will say if the impacts are perfectly > divided... then 1/2 of the energy goes to each ball. > > J > > On 15 Jan 1999, Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > > > Dear all, > > please visit my site and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. > > > > http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html > > > > Thanks, > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 08:16:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA05988; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:15:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:15:50 -0800 Message-ID: <36A20CA9.63966FAD@York.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:15:37 +0000 From: Adam Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Puzzling simple electrostatics problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OMRPT2.0.DT1.poWes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8571 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please do not send me anymore E-mails. Thankyou. William Beaty wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Tim Vaughan wrote: > > > However, what confuses me is this: Say the sphere and internal > > dielectric are initially neutral (same number of electrons and protons), > > but then a strong external potential pulls electrons from the metal > > sphere making it positive. Since the electrons remaining are all > > mutually repulsive, it would seem they would redistribute themselves > > slightly, including the electrons in the dielectric. So this would seem > > to mean that the capacitance of the sphere would be greater if it were > > filled with a dielectric (or maybe even a conductor)/ > > > > Or would it just be the electrons in the conductor that would > > redistribute ? > > I think that only the electrons in the surface atoms of the conductor > would redisribute. And they redistribute so as to eliminate any e-fields > in the metal, therefor no e-fields can extend through the metal and into > the dielectric. If you took ALL the electrons out of the metal, it would > be an insulator, and finally the fields could get in. But it takes huge > energy to remove major amounts of electrons. I remember a homework > problem in Halliday and Resnik where you take all the conduction electrons > out of a penny and place them upon another penny, then separate the > pennies until the attraction force decreases to some thousands of tons. > The distance is some godawful huge number of kilometers. Therefor, if you > take all the electrons out of a penny, the remaining positive ions will > self-repel, and your neighborhood will have a very large crater in it. > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 10:13:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA11186; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:13:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:13:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199901171812.NAA23626@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: SCALAR, TORSION Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:12:24 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Bq8q3.0.Sk2.mWYes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8572 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, What I would like to build is a scalar transmitter and receiver. Do you know where I can find information to build such a project. Imagine sending information that can traverse the earth without satellites and repeaters. Imagine piloting the mars probes instantly without a 20 seconds time delay. If you have information about such devices, or on scalar waves or torsion fields and if you know of a good web sites that explains well, please let me know. thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 12:13:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA11343; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:13:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:13:18 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:04:55 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 40% Overunity In-Reply-To: <916534751.20137.243@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"foQtk3.0.8n2.UHaes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8573 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Harvey and Fre., I strongly urge you do the experiment... take readings and share results... from what I see... that you have put on the site.... you will NOT get more out than you put in. If you find you DO have more out.... then you can consider selling devices.. or donating the technology. JHS On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:14:51 -0500 (EST), John Schnurer wrote: > > > \\ > > > > Dear Harvey,\ > > > > Some of us do not have www access... can you just sent it out as > > ASCII? Not as attch.... just ASCII...Please > > > > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > > > > > I have posted an argument for 40% overunity at the following > messageboard. > > > www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > > Comments here or there are welcome. > > > I would like to see the error of my thinking if it indeed does exist. > HDN > > > > > >Dont understand meaning of request. HDN > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 12:16:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA12195; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:16:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:16:01 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:07:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Shine on crazy diamond. In-Reply-To: <916537231.23677.341@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dzp2J.0.O-2.1Kaes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8574 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: y What is "an infinite load"? See below... On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:14:10 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > > > Howdy Meat. > > > > OK, lets see if I understand you. > > > > Some nomenclature.... > > > > +N----S- > > > > means a coil which is wound such that when a positive voltage > > is applied to + a north magnetic pole appears there. > > > > Your second case looks like this... > > > > +N----S- +N-----S- > > > > where the two coils are driven in phase. > > > > Your first case looks like this > > > > +N----S- -S-----N+ > > > > where one coil is driven 180 degrees out of phase with > > respect to the first. The result is to produce a field > > like so > > > > N----S N----S > > > > Both cases produce the same result, that of the > > magnetic fields aiding. > > > > Now, looking 90 degrees into the wave, the potential > > at the "midpoint" for both coils is the same for case two. > > So if we made a differential measurement of voltage > > between the midpoints we would see zero voltage. > > For case one, because of the phase difference, we > > would see the difference between the two voltages, or > > double the voltage. > > > > Am I following? > I think you are astute concerning nomenclature but may have missed the > point. Magnetically the two examples do the same thing, but in the case of > driving the coils from opposing polarities and then reversing the coils so > that they are in magnetic agreement several considerations should be noted. > 1) The cited examples were meant to be understood in the context of large > air core coils. > 2) The impedance of each coil measured at 60 hz determines the capacity > needed to resonate at 60 hz. > 3) Each plug from the wall powering a series resonance is no different from > both circuits being in parrallel > 4) When two of these wall powered circuits are placed together in space at > the poles, either in AC agreement or disagreement, the mutual inductive > effect between the two in turn will change each value of impedance, which in > turn changes each capacity needed to ideally resonate. > 5) The adjustments made in that circumstance may involve a lot and trial and > error. > 6) When these air coils are resonated a internally generated voltage does > the job of trying to make the full amount of current flow according to the > ohms law. This is known as the series resonant rise of voltage which > essentially establishes an unobvious voltage at the midpoint between the > coil and cap. > 7) When opposite polarities are used to create 2 AC coils in mutual > inductive agreement one coil will be creating an unobvious --------- How are you 'compressing ' electrons?? compression of > electrons at its midpoint; concurrent with the other creating an unobvious > vaccuum of electrons at its midpoint [[[[[[[[[[ .When an infinite load is placed across > those points it will measure twice the resonant rise of voltage than either > side alone could supply HDN > What are you writing about? Twice the voltage at 1/2 the current? > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 12:17:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13010; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:17:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:17:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:08:56 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly into electricity? In-Reply-To: <005101be41bb$fd142c00$5bfbfea9@eugene-buchanan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fBUOa3.0.2B3.FLaes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8575 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: TURN OFF the html generator..please Save bandwidth.... be more clear.. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 12:22:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA14632; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:21:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:21:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Voltage Limiting In-Reply-To: <353a1be7.36a14ad1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"e2XxG.0.Xa3.WPaes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8576 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Use diodes ... two in antiparallel .. to ground to clamp... THEN use voltage divider... Get copy of good book on circuit design GO to the library!! On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 RBCorn2@aol.com wrote: > Hey gang, any ideas how to limit the output of an Op Amp to <250mV? > > Using an NE567 tone decoder for frequency detection but after Sallen-Key > filtering > the output is too high. Easy voltage divider problem right?....Not if the > input is > undetermined and a single pulse, otherwise I could PLL or AGC. > > signed, > Rob > EE Senior project in trouble....... > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 12:29:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18712; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:29:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:29:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:20:58 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: HOW DO we harness the... Unobvious Potentials In-Reply-To: <916541764.3535.391@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ebxso.0.Fa4.XWaes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8577 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: So how do we do it? AND: I do not follow the analogy.... On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > An unobvious potential has often been given this analogy; two hands pressing > against each other so that little or no work or movement takes place.While > very apt the opposite analogy is never noted; that of two hands tied > together each forcing a separation from each other. > Indeed it is easy to show that although these internal voltages exist > inside electrical resonance almost every attempt to harness them in the > conventional manner has failed because they fall under the broad category of > what is called a resonant choke circuit. > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 12:43:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25706; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:43:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:43:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Re: Unidentified subject!] In-Reply-To: <19990117113901.29312.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"y7F7r.0.VH6.wjaes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8578 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear RR., There is no LAW which tells me an experiment HAs to be expensive... amny good ones are NOT. SO: All you Fre's out there ... Challenge: Describe inexpensive experiment for RR.... I am suggesting spheres on strings.... JHS On 17 Jan 1999, Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > Dear John, > Thank you for your comment. Actually, I've basically done an experiment and > found the idea worked as expected. The problem's that the model used for > proving the theory was designed in a very simple way that sometimes fails to > carry out the very precise experiment at all time. While deciding if I should > rebuild a new model in which I'm supposed to put more money and time, I > thought it'd be far easier to prove the theory mathematically. That's why I'm > trying to have it examined theoretically instead. > I'm sure you've never ever seen this specific kind of collision on a pool > table before. It even hardly happens natually because after a collision > according to the theory, the moving object (the only one that moves before the > collision) never becomes at rest after the collision. So the overlap never > natually happens either. When I say "overlap", it means a sudden emergence of > an obect between at least two objects in a way that displaces their positions > in space. When the moving object doesn't stop after the collision, > it,therefore,can't take the driven object places in space either completely or > partially. After all, the collision according to the theory can be arranged > under specific condition. And again, it seems expensive and time-consuming > that I'd rather prove it theoretically. > Thank you very much for your comment. It's very useful and I hope we can > keep the discussion on. > > Gratefully, > > > > freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com wrote: > > > Dear R., > > You put a lot of work into the pictures... and math... > Do an experiment and see if you get more out.... from years of > playing pool I will say you don't. > Not being a math guy I will say if the impacts are perfectly > divided... then 1/2 of the energy goes to each ball. > > J > > On 15 Jan 1999, Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > > > Dear all, > > please visit my site and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. > > > > http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html > > > > Thanks, > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 13:03:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01642; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:03:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:03:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990117161121.010ff100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:11:23 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Arc gap method Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xu0vM2.0.YP.E0bes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8579 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: OK Meat, lets see if I still follow you... A pair of series resonant circuit; one driven 180 degrees out of phase with the other. A spark gap bridging the two circuits (not sure exactly where you mean, either across the two capacitors or at the midpoint of the two inductors). When you plug it in, the circuits begin to oscillate and voltage rises. After a number of cycles the differential voltage reaches the breakover voltage of the gap, and the capacitors discharge across it. I suppose the use of the word "episode" is telling; with nothing to limit the current except the gap resisitance the discharge must be intense. I'm unsure at this point whether your circuit parameters are such as to keep the gap ignited; or whether it recovers and the resonance builds again. Certainly sounds like the latter based on you description of the audio portion of the entertainment. So, it remains unclear to me as to why you are requiring the inductors to be mutually coupled. I guess it would be clearer if I could see where you're going with this. One effect this has is to split the resonant frequency of the whole system; lowering the peak and spreading the range of frequencies over which resonance can be achieved. Also, it becomes possible to cause energy to move from circuit to circuit; you should be able to generate beat frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason for your 8 Hz signal? Do you play guitar? By the way, thanx for posting on this. K. PS: tapping at the midpoint would limit the capacitive discharge, also reducing the amount of high frequency RF the circuit generates. Of course, to really do this right one would need to switch on the zero crossings; something spark gaps are notoriously bad for (at least on switch close). At 08:54 PM 1/16/99 PST, you wrote: >By putting a single Newman type air coil into AC resonance, usually by >practical 60 hz methods, the voltage can be made high enough to jump an air >gap on one of the elements alone. This is a means to throw the coil into a >high frequency episode which this is only a primitive example of the way >these gaps can be used. In the preceeding example the 120 wall voltage is >not high enough to make the arc jump the gap since only 1800 volts is >available to make this from wall voltage alone. My first note of high >frequency in those experiments was when I used 440 as an input which enabled >staccato firecracker like discharges to develope with loud retort. That >arctivity caused EM interference of a great degree. >It was of great interest to me to understand how arc gap methods could be >refined to such a degree as to provide very litlle or no bleed off into the >radio spectrum as Tesla proclaimed in his own devices.HDN > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 13:59:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA18669; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:58:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:58:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: A little bit of Soapbox..Barker....Radioactivity (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u0zfB2.0.OZ4.Tqbes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8580 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:49:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: A little bit of Soapbox..Barker....Radioactivity (fwd) Dear Folks, Please study and consider US PTO number. I just checked and this is the correct number and you can call it up at IBM Patent Server. 4,961,880 Wm. Barker. Brief History of Independent Replication Introduction: I had heard of this patent for several years before acting. A few years ago we called the patent attorney involved with this work and got in touch with Barker and his brother. With their blessing we ran a verification of their work. NOTE: a] Prior to replication I asked one of the patent attorneys who was involved if he though the method worked... and he said "No." I asked about a specific sample cited in the patent and asked also did he think the sample was damaged or tampered with and he said no, he did not think the sample was compromised.... So then I asked why he did no think the process was valid ... and he said "I just don't think it can work." b] I had discussion, via E mail, with one party who said they had tried a replication, not sucessful and I asked about he experimental set up details. Now please understand the method requires exposure to a low current, high voltage field.... the experimental set up I was asking about used a radioactive sample WRAPPED IN METAL. The point is here.... one has to read and follow the work. I made some changes in the methodology, based on what I though to be logical extensions in the thinking governing the work, based on reading the patent literature and discussions with the Barkers, and contributed a significant body of new work and art in the discipline. The results we got agreed with the patent data in that there was a remediation of radioactive emission. There was, in fact, an improvement in performance and simplicty. Another way to say this is we made the method simpler to execute.... and it worked just fine. NOTE: I am NOT a nuclear scientist nor am I good at mathmatics... find all the information you want regarding this in the patent. The general idea is the Coulomb barrier is altered and radioactive decay rates can be altered. All the nuclear math is in the patents. Some interesting points regarding the work which are interesting to me include but are not limited to; 1] The process requires no particle accelerators, vacuum equipment and so no. The work is conducted at STP, That is Standard Temperature and Pressure. 2] A high voltage low current electric field is used. One could literally conduct a successful experimental run powered by 4 "D" sized flash light alkaline dry batteries. This would be accomplished using a standard DC to DC high voltage conversion set up. 3] The field used for excitation is applied for 12 to 14 hours... we used a 14 hour exposure. After that no further energy input is required. The events drive themselves. This is one aspect which made the work so interesting to me. 4] Our radiactive material was a radioactve mineral sample, a periclase probably substituted in part with isotopes of strontium and-or radium. The 'guestimated' half life is thought to be AT LEAST 7,500 years. The control sounded like a pop corn maker in operation .... and still does. The test replication was completed in 1992 ... and 9 months after the 14 hour exposure the treated mineral sample is at background counts. 5] We used tape, cardboard and a defunct Van de Graff generator with a total costs outlay of about 25 dollars. This does NOT include the costs of the power supply, 'old-dead-horse' V de G generator, G-M counter. 6] I have been involved in some recent work in materials sciences of dielectrics and in manipulation of fields. This work, in part, applies dierctly to this process and offers even further improvements and simplification. Editorial comment: I post on this work about every 6 months... and of date no one has EVER offered to fund duplication of the work.... and rarely does there seem to be a whole lot of interest. The contributions to the art I and my associates have made allow this to be easily tested. How will it scale up? I have no solid idea. I have some thoughts in the issue and would be glad to work with any entity who might want to do this. I think it can be scaled up. Is this a "do-all-end-all-be-all"? .... No, but it is a heck of a good start. I am a "hardball, nuts and bolts, belt and suspenders", make-it-work-and-do-it-under-my-won-two-hands experimentalist. I had my skeptical feelings when I started out with a 'college-student-on-loan' and no backing or funding ... But I DID do the work.... and it DOES work. I can guide any serious entity through the process and pretty much assure success, Mr. Murphy willing.... One of the things I like about this is its simplicity and low power requirements.... one sets up the rig... and you 'give it the gas' and then that is it.... it goes along by itself. JHS PS Notes: PS: To replicate this work radioactive materials are used, and one should NEVER NEVER NEVER work with radioactive materials unless the control and skill levels are there. This is NOT a hobby type experiment. I cannot stress this enough. The additional skill level requires knowledge of high voltage safety. AGAIN: This is dangerous. One will also need skill and experience in measurement of high voltage and measurement of radioactivity. Should you be interested in this work please contact me. A kit can be obtained, not including radioactive material. J. H. Schnurer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 14:25:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA29152; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:25:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:25:25 -0800 Message-ID: <002601be4267$545e8d60$7837a8cf@dwenbert.spacey.net> Reply-To: "dwenbert" From: "dwenbert" To: Subject: Converting gamma radiation into electricity Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:18:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE423D.6A499CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mmOOV3.0.P77.KDces"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE423D.6A499CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The most efficient gamma ray converter in the universe is Chlorine. = Gamma radiation catalyzes the photokinetic reaction of Chlorine with = Hydrogen, at a quantum efficiency of >5x10*7 reactions per photon, = releasing 246 Kcal/mole hydrogen (vs. 22 Kcal/mole in uncatalyzed HCl = reactions). Obviously, this is many times greater than any solid state = photovoltaic cell can be. It is the most energetic chemical reaction = known to man, and may, in fact, have nuclear implications. It is an = excellent process for converting solar energy, or the residual radiation = emitted from spent nuclear fuel (nuclear waste). The reaction can be = utilized in piston or turbine engines, provided they are constructed = from alloys able to withstand the highly corrosive reactants and their = byproduct, Hydrogen Chloride. (HCl+H2O=3DHydrochloric Acid). Nickel = Silicon alloys are required, often with Magnesium Fluoride surface = coatings. The beauty of the process is that the HCl can be relectrolyzed back into = H2 and Cl2, to make a closed-loop, total energy system, which simply = converts the incident gamma or ultraviolet radiation through = photokinesis. We are working on the commercial development of this = technology, for use in home power systems to be demonstrated later this = year. The fascinating thing is that the increase in the reaction = energy attributable to the photocatalyst is many orders of magnitude = greater than the actual energy contributed by the injected photons. = Its the most replicable artifact of "Free Energy" that exists in nature. As a practical matter, you want several times the flux density that = ambient conditions provide, whether in space or on the Earth's surface; = the various parabolic concentrators used in solar dynamic power systems = (both dish and trough) are suitable for this purpose, since Chlorine = absorbs throughout much of the incident spectrum. NOTE OF CAUTION: Do not try this at home, unless you have experience = working with explosives. Several scientists and lab technicians have = been killed over the years researching this reaction, when anomalous = things happend. Chlorine can also be lethal just by inhaling, and = leaks occur easily since it reacts with everything. However, since it = can be utilized in a closed cycle via electrolysis, and it is such a = more powerful oxydizer than Oxygen, there is much to recommend its use = in free energy systems. The original patents on the photokinetic process (circa 1974) by Robert = L. Scragg (assigned to Solar Reactor Corporation, now Solar Reactor = Technologies, Inc.) have long since expired, and hence the underlying = technology (for which a satisfactory scientific explanation was never = forthcoming) is now, for all practical purposes, in the public domain. It is obvious that the work of Dr. Randall Mills on "Hydrinos" = (Blacklight Power - www.blacklightpower.com ) and Dr. Mario Santilli on = "Magnition" (Aquafuel - www.toupstech.com/aquafuel ) are both zeroing in = on an answer, to solve where all the excess energy in HCl = photocombustion comes from, even though they are (or until recently = were) completely unaware of the phenomenon, which has been known and in = the mainstream scientific literature for over a century (albeit poorly = quantified). If Dr. Mills hydrocatalysis process can be performed with potassium = chloride, as opposed to potassium carbonate, then both the HCl = dissociation by electrolysis and reformation by photocombustion will be = highly exothermic processes, yielding excess energy. A simple steam = cycle can then be employed to recover useful amounts of waste heat, = against some pretty conventional rotating machinery. Are there any competent experimenters out there who would like to = collaborate on some experiements to verify the various elements of this = architecture? David L. Wenbert The Great Power & Light Company A Gaian Renaissance Organisation www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/cockpit/5962 dwenbert@spacey.net -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Buchanan To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 4:06 PM Subject: How can you convert background gamma radiation directly = into electricity? =20 =20 Advanced materials such as germanium and cadmium zinc telluride are = used to detect gamma radaiation. But is there a away to convert gamma = radiation directly into electricity like a photovolatic cell? Do we have = access to solid state gamma energy conveters? =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE423D.6A499CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The most efficient gamma ray converter in the = universe is=20 Chlorine.   Gamma radiation catalyzes the photokinetic = reaction of=20 Chlorine with Hydrogen, at a quantum efficiency of >5x10*7 reactions = per=20 photon, releasing 246 Kcal/mole hydrogen (vs. 22 Kcal/mole in = uncatalyzed HCl=20 reactions).   Obviously, this is many times greater than any = solid=20 state photovoltaic cell can be.  It is the most energetic chemical = reaction=20 known to man, and may, in fact, have nuclear implications.   = It is an=20 excellent process for converting solar energy, or the residual radiation = emitted=20 from spent nuclear fuel (nuclear waste).   The reaction can be = utilized in piston or turbine engines, provided they are constructed = from alloys=20 able to withstand the highly corrosive reactants and their byproduct, = Hydrogen=20 Chloride.  (HCl+H2O=3DHydrochloric Acid).  Nickel Silicon = alloys are=20 required, often with Magnesium Fluoride surface coatings.
 
The beauty of the process is that the HCl can be = relectrolyzed=20 back into H2 and Cl2, to make a closed-loop, total energy system, which = simply=20 converts the incident gamma or ultraviolet radiation through=20 photokinesis.   We are working on the commercial development = of this=20 technology, for use in home power systems to be demonstrated later this=20 year.   The fascinating thing is that the increase in the = reaction=20 energy attributable to the photocatalyst is many orders of magnitude = greater=20 than the actual energy contributed by the injected photons.   = Its the=20 most replicable artifact of "Free Energy" that exists in=20 nature.
 
As a practical matter, you want several times the = flux density=20 that ambient conditions provide, whether in space or on the Earth's = surface; the=20 various parabolic concentrators used in solar dynamic power systems = (both dish=20 and trough) are suitable for this purpose, since Chlorine absorbs = throughout=20 much of the incident spectrum.
 
NOTE OF CAUTION:   Do not try this at = home, unless=20 you have experience working with explosives.  Several scientists = and lab=20 technicians have been killed over the years researching this reaction, = when=20 anomalous things happend.    Chlorine can also be lethal = just by=20 inhaling, and leaks occur easily since it reacts with=20 everything.    However, since it can be utilized in a = closed=20 cycle via electrolysis, and it is such a more powerful oxydizer than = Oxygen,=20 there is much to recommend its use in free energy systems.
 
The original patents on the photokinetic process = (circa 1974)=20 by Robert L. Scragg (assigned to Solar Reactor Corporation, now Solar = Reactor=20 Technologies, Inc.) have long since expired, and hence the underlying = technology=20 (for which a satisfactory scientific explanation was never forthcoming) = is now,=20 for all practical purposes, in the public domain.
 
It is obvious that the work of Dr. Randall Mills on=20 "Hydrinos" (Blacklight Power - www.blacklightpower.com ) = and Dr.=20 Mario Santilli on "Magnition" (Aquafuel - www.toupstech.com/aquafuel= ) are=20 both zeroing in on an answer, to solve where all the excess energy in = HCl=20 photocombustion comes from, even though they are (or until recently = were)=20 completely unaware of the phenomenon, which has been known and in the = mainstream=20 scientific literature for over a century (albeit poorly=20 quantified).
 
If Dr. Mills hydrocatalysis process can be performed = with=20 potassium chloride, as opposed to potassium carbonate, then both the HCl = dissociation by electrolysis and reformation by photocombustion will be = highly=20 exothermic processes, yielding excess energy.  A simple steam cycle = can=20 then be employed to recover useful amounts of waste heat, against some = pretty=20 conventional rotating machinery.
 
Are there any competent experimenters out there who = would like=20 to collaborate on some experiements to verify the various elements of = this=20 architecture?
 
David L. Wenbert
The Great Power & Light Company
A Gaian Renaissance Organisation
 
www.geocitie= s.com/capecanaveral/cockpit/5962
dwenbert@spacey.net
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Eugene Buchanan <sunshine@blarg.net>
To: = freenrg-l@eskimo.com <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
D= ate:=20 Saturday, January 16, 1999 4:06 PM
Subject: How can = you=20 convert background gamma radiation directly into=20 electricity?

Advanced materials such as = germanium and=20 cadmium zinc telluride are used to detect gamma radaiation. But is = there a=20 away to convert gamma radiation directly into electricity like a=20 photovolatic cell? Do we have access to solid state gamma energy=20 conveters?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE423D.6A499CC0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 14:34:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA31873; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:34:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:34:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:25:58 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: dwenbert cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Converting gamma radiation into electricity In-Reply-To: <002601be4267$545e8d60$7837a8cf@dwenbert.spacey.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"g-Emb2.0.sn7.pLces"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8582 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Turn off the HTML !!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 17:18:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA18874; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:18:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:18:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199901180118.TAA09562@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Arc gap method Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:17:32 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bZV2c3.0.pc4.Llees"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8583 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Harvey, A sustained arc produces a plasma composed of air, air contaminants, and metal atoms from the positive terminal. (electrons flow one way and the metal flows the other way) The plasma is hot enough to knock pieces off some atoms. Some of these would be beta particles, which you can hear with only a speaker, no amplifier needed. And there would be some Xrays. The only way to radio silence would be a cold plasma, which to me, couldn't exist. Just some thoughts about your interesting subject. Joe Portman ====================== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Arc gap method > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 10:54 PM > > By putting a single Newman type air coil into AC resonance, usually by > practical 60 hz methods, the voltage can be made high enough to jump an air > gap on one of the elements alone. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 17:30:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24015; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:29:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:29:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199901180129.TAA11297@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: gravity article (fwd) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:29:01 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HnK_r3.0.3t5.Dwees"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8584 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, David, Read your quote from the Voyager pilot with interest. That was Dick Rutan of the Rutan brothers. I am now retired, but I did the feasibility study for the fuel management system used on the Voyager. I also built the first proto. Dick sent me an autographed picture of the Voyager and thanked me for my help. That was worth more than any money I made from the project. I hate to brag, but that project was dear to my heart. Thanks for listening.....Joe Portman =========================== ---------- > From: David Rosignoli > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: gravity article (fwd) > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 4:47 PM > > Is there an article that accompanies this abstract? > It sounds largely theoretical. Just wondering if it includes > the work done by Podkletnov and others (like NASA) in their > experiments. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:09:02 PST > > From: Giovanni Modanese > > To: billb@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: article > > > > "Gravitational Anomalies by HTC Superconductors: a 1999 Theoretical > > Status Report" > ------------------- > David Rosignoli > drdaveor@enter.net > > "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or > what's a heaven for?" - Pilot of the aircraft > Voyager, as he's about to go around the world. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 17:33:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA25701; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:32:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:32:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199901180132.TAA11702@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Unobvious Potentials Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:32:07 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nxl792.0.7H6.4zees"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8585 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey, About the unobvious, you are exactly right. Joe Portman ========== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Unobvious Potentials > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 8:56 PM > > An unobvious potential has often been given this analogy; two hands pressing > against each other so that little or no work or movement takes place.While > very apt the opposite analogy is never noted; that of two hands tied > together each forcing a separation from each other. > Indeed it is easy to show that although these internal voltages exist > inside electrical resonance almost every attempt to harness them in the > conventional manner has failed because they fall under the broad category of > what is called a resonant choke circuit. > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 18:07:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA08337; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:07:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:07:24 -0800 Message-ID: <36A2BE13.ECA@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:52:35 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SCALAR, TORSION References: <199901171812.NAA23626@express.globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u-fVN.0.922.RTfes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8586 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Tremblay wrote: > > Hi, > > What I would like to build is a scalar transmitter and receiver. Do you > know where I can find information to build such a project. > If you have information about such devices, or on scalar waves or torsion > fields and if you know of a good web sites that explains well, please let > me know. > > thanks. Have you seen my designs on Bill's web site? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 17 19:21:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA31340; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:20:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:20:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Cold Plasma...Re: Arc gap method In-Reply-To: <199901180118.TAA09562@mw3.texas.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kHCJn1.0.Rf7.PYges"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8587 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Joe and Fre., See flagged note below, in text... On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Joe Portman Sr. wrote: > Hi, Harvey, > A sustained arc produces a plasma composed of air, air contaminants, and > metal atoms from the positive terminal. (electrons flow one way and the > metal flows the other way) The plasma is hot enough to knock pieces off > some atoms. Some of these would be beta particles, which you can hear with > only a speaker, no amplifier needed. FLAG Q: How will I 'hear' a beta? Sounds cool! ------------ FLAG NOTE: Of course there are cold plasmas! Use HV and low current and excite low pressure inert gas tube... Ankle on over to your local 'Radio Shock' ... and see excited tube ... sphere actually.... And there would be some Xrays. > The only way to radio silence would be a cold plasma, which to me, couldn't > exist. Just some thoughts about your interesting subject. Joe Portman > ====================== > ---------- > > From: Harvey Norris > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Arc gap method > > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 10:54 PM > > > > By putting a single Newman type air coil into AC resonance, usually by > > practical 60 hz methods, the voltage can be made high enough to jump an > air > > gap on one of the elements alone. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 05:30:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA01724; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:29:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199901181329.HAA03157@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Arc gap method Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:29:11 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Twzf_.0.nQ.ITpes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8588 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, How do beta particles sound when passing thru the mag field of a disconnected speaker ? When I was a boy, I connected a tin can to a battery, to a rigid copper wire, bent to barely touch the can bottom. When you talked, the can bottom vibrated aginst the wire, producing an intermttent arc. The beta stream was modulated by this, and you could hear a crude voice coming thru on a distant speaker. (Another person listening) .........Joe Portman ========================================= ---------- > From: Joe Portman Sr. > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Arc gap method > Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 7:17 PM > > Hi, Harvey, > A sustained arc produces a plasma composed of air, air contaminants, and > > > ====================== > ---------- > > From: Harvey Norris > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 06:27:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA16328; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:27:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:27:30 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:02:26 -0500 Subject: Re: EM ? Message-ID: <19990118.092706.4230.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-67 From: David l Tingley Resent-Message-ID: <"h-bp63.0.1_3.HJqes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8589 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I found the reference where I heard it, that design was referred to as a Q-machine 6 weeks ago on this list: http://www.escribe.com/cgi-bin/webglimpse/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/science/freenrg?query=Q-machine Dave On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:06:06 -0600 cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) writes: >At 03:42 PM 1/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I believe that this was already tried. Somewhere I read that it was >>referred to as the Q-machine generator as opposed to the N-Machine. >> >>Dave > > >Only reference I have been able to find concerning a device referred >to as >a "Q-Machine" > > >http://w3.pppl.gov/~rfheeter/fusion-faq/glossary/q.html#Q-machine > > or > >http://www.physics.uiowa.edu/xplasma/IQ2.html > >* Q-machine: Plasma device studied in the 1960s; noted for >its natural quiescence, which made it attractive for plasma >wave phyics experimentation. > > >Don't think that this is anything like what I have proposed >Dave....sooo >for now I'm still gona refer to it >as a "X-dynamo" (:>) > > >Anyone else have any thoughts concerning this concept...surely someone >has >thought of providing >alternating current field coils to provide excitation. This would >completely eliminate the need to develop >liquid metal commutators or interrupters as mentioned in Bruce >DePalma's >critique of the N-Machine constructed >by Trombly and Kahn and covered in several of Tesla's patents. > >That which I am most interested in determining is whether or not an >emf >would be produced if a field coil >excited by an alternating current was rotated rather than the disk . >In the >case of a "uniform" >magnetic field that does not vary (as in a permanent magnetic) no emf >is >generated if the field is rotated rather than >the conducting disk. > >My thanks to all of you that have posted your thoughts concerning this >riddle. > > > > Paul > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 12:30:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA08338; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:28:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:22:59 EST To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, John Schnurer , oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 'Sea-ponics' Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"NsfXQ1.0.922.ibves"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8590 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To Wom... Whoever emailed about this horticultural innovation, PLEASE RE-TRANSMIT...it evaporated with an errant keystroke. Thanks. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 13:32:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA17425; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:31:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:31:46 -0800 Message-ID: <36A3A82F.F5897FF4@York.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:31:27 +0000 From: Adam Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Converting gamma radiation into electricity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4IsVH.0.9G4.1Xwes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8591 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Pleaase do not send me any more e-mails. John Schnurer wrote: > > Turn off the HTML !!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 16:42:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA26965; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:41:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:41:56 -0800 Message-ID: <36A3C083.96F77A80@harti.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:15:15 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , daveem@webtv.net, Free Energy Subject: Re: infrared solar cells... References: <5829-36A0D7C2-2425@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_7HG7.0.9b6.IJzes"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8592 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: daveem m wrote: > > Hi all, > I was told of this new technology that can produce quite a bit of > electricity from heat, a gentleman I know was just at an alternative > energy demonstration where he saw these in use and they really work! > clik on the link and check it out. > jxcrystals.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://jxcrystals.com/ Interesting ! Do these infrared solar cells violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics with their high efficiency ? Do they just convert heat energy to electricity ? What is their efficiency ? Is their efficiency also rated according to Carnot ? What is their efficiency at lower heat temperatures ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 19:15:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13020; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:15:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:15:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990118211603.007a7380@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:16:03 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Re: EM ? In-Reply-To: <19990118.092706.4230.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990113223957.007ae980@mail.zebra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7hBPD3.0.LB3.FZ_es"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8593 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 04:02 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: >I found the reference where I heard it, that design was referred to as a >Q-machine 6 weeks ago on this list: > >http://www.escribe.com/cgi-bin/webglimpse/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/scienc e/freenrg?query=Q-machine > >Dave Hmmmm...well wouldn't you know it...that was the period of time I unsubscribed to avoid the mail glut....Hey Bill...where did you find the reference to the "Q-machine"? Thanks for all the info Dave...seems like its Deja Vu all over again...lol From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 18 23:34:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA14540; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:34:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:34:32 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Arc gap method Message-Id: <916731249.10894.851@excite.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:34:09 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"XICce.0.1Z3.7M3fs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8594 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:11:23 -0500 From: "Keith Nagel" Subject: Re: Arc gap method To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com OK Meat, lets see if I still follow you... A pair of series resonant circuit; one driven 180 degrees out of phase with the other. A spark gap bridging the two circuits (not sure exactly where you mean, either across the two capacitors or at the midpoint of the two inductors). Reply from HDN: The midpoint of the series resonant circuit means exactly that; the wire between the coil and the capacitor that connects them in series. The only other wires involved are the two outside wires which go to the AC input. This section of middle wire is connected to a metal bar placed side by side to another metal bar with a small air gap along their lengths. The other metal bar is of course connected to the middle section of the opposite 180 out of phase series res. branch. In the case of my device 30 times the input voltage is expressed across the air gap which enables an arc to form. This then represents the arc serving the function of a switch which has gone from open to closed position. In the tradtional arc gap systems used to initiate high frequency as in the tesla coil the closed position when arcing takes place also represents a short to the power supply. This problem led to the developement of rotary arc gap systems so that the closed position when acing takes place could be applied at a specific portion of the AC signal. Earlier versions of solving the problem included magnetic quenching. Something was needed to blow out or extinguish the arc. However in the arc gap system I am describing the arc is extinguished of its own accord because instead of the closed position being a short to the power supply drawing maximum amperage; it instead becomes a dual parallel resonant system of maximum impedance in which instead of a resonant rise of voltage occuring, a resonant rise of amperage occurs which in the case of my model causes an 1800 fold decrease of amperage into system at closed position. This combined decrease of both voltage and amperage guarantees the arc to extinguish itself which then causes the former dual series resonant rise of voltage which occurs at open position to restart the whole process over again. I call this the single binary resonant arc gap, which represents an oscillation between resonances and is wholly different from that used in tesla coils where the arc is used to cause a system to go in and out of resonance.Experimentation enabled me to conclude that a double arc gap system may be more effective in certain applications. When you plug it in, the circuits begin to oscillate and voltage rises. After a number of cycles the differential voltage reaches the breakover voltage of the gap, and the capacitors discharge across it. I suppose the use of the word "episode" is telling; with nothing to limit the current except the gap resisitance the discharge must be intense. I'm unsure at this point whether your circuit parameters are such as to keep the gap ignited; or whether it recovers and the resonance builds again. Certainly sounds like the latter based on you description of the audio portion of the entertainment. HDN; This was intended to be a description of the earliest arc gap methods in which the gap was placed across the coil or inductor alone in a single phase of series resonance. This method seems to have produced a quarter wavelength value in frequency similar to the tesla method. However the binary method produced much higher frequencies than this method which was only mentioned in passing as experimentation that led to my conclusions. So, it remains unclear to me as to why you are requiring the inductors to be mutually coupled. I guess it would be clearer if I could see where you're going with this. One effect this has is to split the resonant frequency of the whole system; lowering the peak and spreading the range of frequencies over which resonance can be achieved. Also, it becomes possible to cause energy to move from circuit to circuit; you should be able to generate beat frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason for your 8 Hz signal? Do you play guitar? HDN; Yeah I pluck around with it. The mutual inductance increases the Q of both coils enabling a higher voltage at arc gap. By the way, thanx for posting on this. K. PS: tapping at the midpoint would limit the capacitive discharge, also reducing the amount of high frequency RF the circuit generates. Of course, to really do this right one would need to switch on the zero crossings; something spark gaps are notoriously bad for (at least on switch close). HDN; Hope my explanation cleared up why the closed position doesnt present problems inherent in earlier systems. At 08:54 PM 1/16/99 PST, you wrote: >By putting a single Newman type air coil into AC resonance, usually by >practical 60 hz methods, the voltage can be made high enough to jump an air >gap on one of the elements alone. This is a means to throw the coil into a >high frequency episode which this is only a primitive example of the way >these gaps can be used. In the preceeding example the 120 wall voltage is >not high enough to make the arc jump the gap since only 1800 volts is >available to make this from wall voltage alone. My first note of high >frequency in those experiments was when I used 440 as an input which enabled >staccato firecracker like discharges to develope with loud retort. That >arctivity caused EM interference of a great degree. >It was of great interest to me to understand how arc gap methods could be >refined to such a degree as to provide very litlle or no bleed off into the >radio spectrum as Tesla proclaimed in his own devices.HDN > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > > or file to: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Powered by InterMail from Software.com Copyright © 1995-1998 Excite Inc. All rights reserved. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 00:11:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA23812; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:11:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:11:28 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. Message-Id: <916733467.1782.546@excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:11:07 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"x5-Cc.0.zp5.mu3fs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8595 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Flux Capacitor Tuesday 19-Jan-99 To try and clear up a concept perhaps it is better to start from the beginning. What I reffered to as the as the spatial harnessing of resonance could be called a FLUX CAPACITOR. The process of resonance includes a coil that produces a magnetic field and normally a capacitor that holds an electric field. If we made a special capacitor; say a water capacitor; and put that capacitor INSIDE the magnetic field of the coil so that both the electric and magnetic fields are reasonably at right angles then one should expect an interaction between those fields that will move free charges at right angles to both the causitive fields.We assume this from what might be called lorentz force law which basically is incorporated in the motor /generator concept. Going a bit further into this is the fact that if a magnet is placed inside a coil both actions and their relationship in space can be shown. It is NOT exactly the flux change of the magnet in rotation that dictates when amperage is produced in the coil, but rather the RATE of flux change.Thus in the operation of sinusoidal electrical generation it sometimes becomes puzzling that the position of the magnet at the strongest torque in operation as a motor corresponds not to the maximum amperage when the device is run backwards as a generator, but that same part of the rotation is then supplying zero power.In the same light the greatest rate of flux change may happen when no actual magnetic field exists. Likewise the oscillation of energy in resonance occurs in this same fashion which our interpretation shows as from kinetic to potential and vice versa. Thus one can obviously concur that both the electric and magnetic fields cannot exist at the same time because of their osscillation. But what if we had TWO power inputs each powering a phase of resonance? These could be adjusted so that that both the electric and magnetic fields occured instantaneously. Using the concept further we see that two flux capacitors could be constructed so that the electric field from the first phase could be paired orthogonally with the magnetic field from the second phase and vice versa. Now a great paradox is revealed. If a single phased flux capacitor is made the maximum reaction between the fields would be when .707 of an expanding electric field can react with .707 of a collasing magnetic field. It only makes sense that the reaction between these fields could never yield more energy than in either alone and since the solution of two .707 vectors at right angles is 1 the fact that losses are always present show this example to be under unity. But in the example of dual "juxtaposed" flux capacitors just proposed more energy seems available as output as lorentz reaction than the total input. Why is this? Because even though the process now has two power inputs only one phase producing the magnetic field is instantaneously drawing energy. The phase containing a spatially interacting electric field contains stored or potential energy and instantaneously draws nothing. Yet the reaction between a FULL magnetic field and a FULL electric field should contain 40% more energy than either field alone. More importantly in the case of a single phased example the Lorentz output should be doubled in frequency, while in the dual example the output should be a pulsed DC. Without going further into my method of high frequency generation it should be recognized what I have described then leads to the idea of TAPPING PREVIOUSLY UNUSABLE HIGH FREQUENCY EFFECTS UNDER THE BROAD CATEGORY OF RECTIFICATION BY FIELD INTERACTION IN SPACE. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 06:05:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA24944; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:05:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:05:31 -0800 Message-ID: <19990119140458.6017.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [152.163.195.206] From: "Randy Hargraves" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Back on list / Monopole / T.E. Bearden / Over-Unity Experiment Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:04:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"-Ai_u2.0.a56.g49fs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8596 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mono-pole With in the Last year when I was on the list. I made a comment that I thought that I new how to make a Sphere, that had one pole in the center and the exterier sufface would be the other list. I had computor failure and thus I am just getting back on to the list. So , I have been wondering if any one has made one and toyed arround with it. Or varried the location of where the interior pole would be, (with in the sphere), for different effects. Thomas E. Bearden T.E. Bearden, Was on the Art Bell Show, and made a comment about how to do an easy overunity experiment. Did any one hear that program. What is the E-mail address for T.E. Bearden, Snail Mail, Home Or work Phone ECT..... or contact method Can Any one help.???? Please If you willl Randy, Carol, Dacia, Kensi, Hargraves 966 Castlebury Mansion Yukon, Oklahoma 73099-2102 randy_hargraves@hotmail.com 1-405-354-0033 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 06:46:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA07539; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:46:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:46:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199901191446.IAA23956@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: overlap Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:45:20 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FWkVq3.0.ir1.jg9fs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8597 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Rangsan, Went to your page. Very interesting. Could not email out my comments from there. Here they are again: Perfect elasticity maybe can only occur at the quantum mechanic level, and then maybe not. If your subject objects were pool balls, as they collide, they would exhibit some heat of compression, allowing phonons to hop over to the cooler parts of the balls, thus some energy is lost. As a boy, I was told that it would take a force of 180 tons to make 2 electrons touch...wow!!! If 3 electrons came at each other as in your diagram, would they not also exhibit heat of compression, causing phonons to hop away, and thus lose some of the original energy. Just some thoughts.......Joe Portman ============================== ---------- > From: Rangsan Rayanasuk > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: overlap > Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 12:47 PM > > Dear all, > > Please visit my home page and feel free to criticize my free-energy idea. > > > http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html > > Thanks, > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 07:35:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA23378; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:34:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:34:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:34:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901191534.HAA23295@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. Resent-Message-ID: <"97Xrb1.0.7j5.JOAfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8598 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:11 AM 1/19/99 PST, Harvey wrote: >The Flux Capacitor >Tuesday 19-Jan-99 > >To try and clear up a concept perhaps it is better to start from the >beginning. What I reffered to as the as the spatial harnessing of resonance >could be called a FLUX CAPACITOR. >The process of resonance includes a coil that produces a magnetic field and >normally a capacitor that holds an electric field. If we made a special >capacitor; say a water capacitor; and put that capacitor INSIDE the magnetic >field of the coil so that both the electric and magnetic fields are >reasonably at right angles then one should expect an interaction between >those fields that will move free charges at right angles to both the >causitive fields.We assume this from what might be called lorentz force law >which basically is incorporated in the motor /generator concept. Can you please describe more this interaction? I understand inside the capacitor the E field can be perpendicular to the coil's B field. Why should the force on a charge be perpendicular to the E field? I can see perpendicular to the B field for moving charges. 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(If you wonder how the Home will know you are forwarding these messages all over creation, you're obviously thinking too much.) --------------394006B95AC7CF3D957321AA-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 12:03:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA08557; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:03:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be43e6$2c434de0$493261cb@default> From: "Matthew Redmond" To: Cc: Subject: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:49:10 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"8bb2B.0.c52.0KEfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8600 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi ho, I have myself a standard frequency generator. This does not put out enough power to run a small light bulb. I want to change this. If anyone can tell me how to construct an appropriate amp(s) (generator runs from 100Khz » 150Mhz (450 Megs on Harmonics)) to be able to achive this goal then please reply. Cheers, Matthew. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 12:06:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09879; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:06:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:06:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990120030338.006a33d8@usa.net> X-Sender: rsn9@usa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:03:38 +0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: rangsan Subject: Re.Re.overlap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EuEwP2.0.GQ2.BNEfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8601 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Joe, First, thanks so much for the comment. Better not get into quantum mechanic in which we'd be unable to completely deal with all those tiny unknown factors. Agree, must be some energy lost in terms of heat. But, too small to effect any change, I think. Basically, I'm talking about an excessive amount of energy possibly up to 50% of the original source in a perpendicular plane as to what I said in the theory. Well, it's just the matter of how you can really arrange such a specific collision that seems easy. Thank you, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 14:01:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21239; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:00:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:00:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199901192200.QAA13437@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:59:29 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cuPzq2.0.iB5.22Gfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8602 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Matthew, You could use a musicians amplifier. They come in sizes 200 watts and up. Get a solid state one if you go for a used one, and one that has overload protection. Unplug the speaker to get the max output. If you are not after hi-fi, you might build one cheaper. Good luck......Joe Portman ======================= ---------- > From: Matthew Redmond > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: keelynet@DallasTexas.net > Subject: Frequency Generator Amp > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 1:49 PM > > Hi ho, > > I have myself a standard frequency generator. This does not put out enough > power to run a small light bulb. I want to change this. If anyone can tell > me how to construct an appropriate amp(s) (generator runs from 100Khz » > 150Mhz (450 Megs on Harmonics)) to be able to achive this goal then please > reply. > > Cheers, > > Matthew. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 14:13:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA26114; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:12:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:12:49 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:07:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"EDGMr.0.xN6.XDGfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8603 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello! What you are looking for, does not exist. There is no amplifier that goes from 100KHz to 150 MHz. Especially if you are looking straight gain. I would recommend that you get at least 4 different amplifiers. LW, MW, SW, VHF. This is the only practical way to get any considerable power out. Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 16:36:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13333; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:35:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:35:48 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re; flux capacitor Message-Id: <916792525.1146.810@excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:35:25 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0dzyO2.0.7G3.ZJIfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8604 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > At 12:11 AM 1/19/99 PST, Harvey wrote: > >The Flux Capacitor > >Tuesday 19-Jan-99 > > > >To try and clear up a concept perhaps it is better to start from the > >beginning. What I reffered to as the as the spatial harnessing of resonance > >could be called a FLUX CAPACITOR. > >The process of resonance includes a coil that produces a magnetic field and > >normally a capacitor that holds an electric field. If we made a special > >capacitor; say a water capacitor; and put that capacitor INSIDE the magnetic > >field of the coil so that both the electric and magnetic fields are > >reasonably at right angles then one should expect an interaction between > >those fields that will move free charges at right angles to both the > >causitive fields.We assume this from what might be called lorentz force law > >which basically is incorporated in the motor /generator concept. > > Can you please describe more this interaction? I understand inside the > capacitor the E field can be perpendicular to the coil's B field. Why should > the force on a charge be perpendicular to the E field? I can see > perpendicular to the B field for moving charges. > Thanks, > -Dave > When the electric field is placed across the water dielectric it stretches the polar molecules which results it a miniscule net charge movement through space with the positive and negative charge movements occuring in opposite directions. By using an electric field that reverses polarity at a high rate this should increase the net charge movement per unit time. This would appear to us macroscopically as the translational movement of molecules occuring in space acquiring a rotational momentum imparted from the alternating electric field. Now if we could view these rotations from a right angle vantage point (to the plane of the electric field) we would find that some were making a clockwise rotation and others a counterclockwise rotation. If a magnetic field existed along this right angle plane it should react to the net charge movement to exert a force at right angles to the charge movement which was caused initially by the electric field. The direction of this force would of course be perpendicular to both the electric AND magnetic fields as determined by Lorentz force law. Conceptually what might be occuring is the magnetic field will exert a force to make all the spins clockwise and upon polarity reversal, clockwise.This sounds like the spins are being cohered in one direction by the presence of the magnetic field. Now if the magnetic field could change polarity in concert with the electric a special spin within a spin on two dimensions might be made.The implications of these spins are that the normal amount of energy needed to split the water molecule may become less in these circumstances. That is the purpose of building these juxtaposed flux capacitors; to see if the electric and magnetic fields available in resonance can be reacted in the space of an unconventionally designed electrolysizor to increase the thermo-neutral voltage thereby increasing the overall efficiency of electroysis methods. HDN > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 16:44:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20506; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:42:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:42:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990119194814.00fc7890@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:49:22 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CCePY1.0.J05.rPIfs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8605 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hmmm.... What this reminds me of is a device called a Cross Field Antenna. Basically, this thing was a pair of plates and a coil arranged in such a manner as to cause the electric and magentic fields to cross (hence the name,,,doh!). The thinking was that the radiated energy would increase due to the in phase nature of the fields. It was reported on in some detail in the hobby journal, "Electronic & Wireless World" a few years back. One could save a lot of heartburn by making physically small antennas that radiated like a 1/4 wave unit. I'm not sure if the company that made them is still around; I'll check if people post me to. It was a bit of a controversy at the time; don't know how things got resolved. K. At 12:11 AM 1/19/99 PST, you wrote: >The Flux Capacitor >Tuesday 19-Jan-99 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 17:29:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28335; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:28:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:28:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990119203053.00fd0810@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:30:55 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Arc gap method Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9cwQZ1.0.ew6.m4Jfs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8606 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:34 PM 1/18/99 PST, you wrote: >series resonance. This method seems to have produced >a quarter wavelength value in frequency similar to the >tesla method. However the binary method produced >much higher frequencies than this method which was >only mentioned in passing as experimentation that led >to my conclusions. Well, the only thing limiting the cap discharge is the gap impedence and the distributed inductance inside the capacitor. So I'd expect a raft of harmonics. > >So, it remains unclear to me as to why you are requiring >the inductors to be mutually coupled. I guess it would >be clearer if I could see where you're going with this. >One effect this has is to split the resonant frequency >of the whole system; lowering the peak and spreading the >range of frequencies over which resonance can be achieved. >Also, it becomes possible to cause energy to move from >circuit to circuit; you should be able to generate beat >frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason for your 8 Hz >signal? Do you play guitar? >HDN; Yeah I pluck around with it. Good, then you know what I mean about the beat frequency. >The mutual inductance increases the Q of both coils >enabling a higher voltage at arc gap. Oh. Well, for that matter, why not use a core material? If you are intent on winding these large air core coils, consider the brooks winding. It has the highest Q of a uniform winding. Wind a square cross section, where the ratio of a side to the diameter is about 4 (I'm thinkin' pi but this damn book by Grover hasn't got an index...) Anyway it's not critical. Its also a good ratio for sets of mutually inductive coils. Consider working @ higher frequencies :^) K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 19:10:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08056; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:10:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:10:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990119211117.007afae0@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:11:17 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Q-Machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"as3Mv2.0.nz1.gaKfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8607 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I found the reference where I heard it, that design was referred to as a >Q-machine 6 weeks ago on this list: >http://www.escribe.com/cgi->bin/webglimpse/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/scien ce/freenrg?query=Q-machine >Dave Bill, If you could supply the source of the reference I'd appreciate it. Would like to see what if anything has been done experimentally with this concept. Thanks Paul From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 19:29:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA18084; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:28:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:28:54 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re;Arc Gap Methods Message-Id: <916802907.3497.452@excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:28:27 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lt6kI2.0.JQ4.rrKfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8608 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:30:55 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > At 11:34 PM 1/18/99 PST, you wrote: > >series resonance. This method seems to have produced > >a quarter wavelength value in frequency similar to the > >tesla method. However the binary method produced > >much higher frequencies than this method which was > >only mentioned in passing as experimentation that led > >to my conclusions. > > Well, the only thing limiting the cap discharge is > the gap impedence and the distributed inductance inside > the capacitor. So I'd expect a raft of harmonics. > HDN: > >The oscilloscope readings I got from these experiments were almost ten years old. As I remember the method produced about 8,000 hz. The length of wire was almost 10 miles in a 56 henry coil of 20,000 winds of 23 gauge. This was simply the aforementioned coil of 1000 ohms connected to a 440 volt transformer. It was connected in series with .12 mf of capacitance so that it was made to resonate @ 60 hz.A set of metal plates placed along their edges served as an arc gap apparatus in which one terminal goes to the midpoint and the other to either end of the circuit,each connected to either end of this single gap set up depending whether the coil or cap is to be shorted. In this case the momentary short caused the arc taking place at the gap does not represent a short to the power supply as in tesla gap systems,but rather causes the series resonant process to shut off and then become entirely inductive or capacitive. In this model a 15/1 ratio of current conduction between off/on switching as indicated by arc activity indicates that many cycles of ac are necessary before the voltage becomes sufficient to jump the arc gap which it does in a firecracking discharge similar to a dead short. This is a very poor method of creating high frequencies in huge inductance air coils and a better method is to simply create an air gap anywhere in the S.R. circuit. However that method sometimes means the circiut will soon quickly stop oscillating at a high frequency because the arc is not maintained at the proper voltage. The binary resonant method led itself to be a very superior method of continuously maintaining a high frequency discharge for long periods of time, yet even this method mysteriously led to the observation that for some reason after about an hour or so of operation the process mysteriously stops for no apparent reason. Almost as if the process had run out of resonant rise of electrons to oscillate. Some of these problems and logical considerations led to the making of a double gap system which seems to be more effective. > >So, it remains unclear to me as to why you are requiring > >the inductors to be mutually coupled. I guess it would > >be clearer if I could see where you're going with this. > >One effect this has is to split the resonant frequency > >of the whole system; lowering the peak and spreading the > >range of frequencies over which resonance can be achieved. > >Also, it becomes possible to cause energy to move from > >circuit to circuit; you should be able to generate beat > >frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason for your 8 Hz > >signal? Do you play guitar? > >HDN; Yeah I pluck around with it. > > Good, then you know what I mean about the beat frequency. > > >The mutual inductance increases the Q of both coils > >enabling a higher voltage at arc gap. > > Oh. Well, for that matter, why not use a core material? HDN; I tried using strontium ferrite(unmagnetised ceramic magnetic mat'l.)I think the drawbacks exceed the benefits in that while the impedance is increased the ability of resonance to do its job by increasing the voltage by Q factor is also decreased. My idea is to use a material that amplifies the electric field instead of the magnetic. The magnetic materials cannot amplify at higher frequencies, yet water does not lose this ability until past the frequency of light! HDN > If you are intent on winding these large > air core coils, consider the brooks winding. It has the > highest Q of a uniform winding. Wind a square cross > section, where the ratio of a side to the diameter is > about 4 (I'm thinkin' pi but this damn book by Grover > hasn't got an index...) Anyway it's not critical. > > Its also a good ratio for sets of mutually inductive coils. > > Consider working @ higher frequencies :^) HDN; > The binary system I am using yields a clean non EM radiation signal @ 166,000 hz. The arcs are like a tingling violet discharge and emit little sound of discharge compared to other types. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 19:29:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA18414; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:29:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990119213013.007b4940@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:30:13 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Q-Machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NQSm12.0.TV4.RsKfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8609 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I found the reference where I heard it, that design was referred to as a >Q-machine 6 weeks ago on this list: >http://www.escribe.com/cgi-bin/webglimpse/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/scien ce/freenrg?query=Q-machine >Dave Bill, If you could supply the source of the reference I'd appreciate it. Would like to see what if anything has been done experimentally with this concept. Thanks Paul Sorry...the url got glitched...try it again From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 19:50:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA25744; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:50:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:50:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be4427$6f1f7b20$793261cb@default> From: "Matthew Redmond" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:45:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"d3Fc_3.0.9I6.-9Lfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8610 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi again, Thanks for the reply's, but I think I'll make my plans a bit clearer. The Generator can handle 100 KHz » 150 MHz. Now it would be rather nice to have an amp to cover the whole range, but not necessary. I am looking more for something to cover smaller ranges. At the moment the only ones I'm currently interested in are (only rough figures) 100 KHz » 200 KHz; 400 KHz » 600 KHz; 20 MHz » 50 MHz, etc... At the moment I'm only looking to drive a torch bulb, although higher would be nice. (Currently outputs "at least 100mV up to 35 MHz") Cheers, Matthew. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 19:56:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA28454; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:56:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:56:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990119230452.00fd6100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:04:55 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Re;Arc Gap Methods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"d6YBr3.0.Vy6.wFLfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8611 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:28 PM 1/19/99 PST, you wrote: >> >The oscilloscope readings I got from these experiments were almost ten >years old. As I remember the method produced about 8,000 hz. The length of >wire was almost 10 miles in a 56 henry coil of 20,000 winds of 23 gauge. >This was simply the aforementioned coil of 1000 ohms connected to a 440 volt >transformer. It was connected in series with .12 mf of capacitance so that >it was made to resonate @ 60 hz.A set of metal plates placed along their >edges served as an arc gap apparatus in which one terminal goes to the >midpoint and the other to either end of the circuit,each connected to either >end of this single gap set up depending whether the coil or cap is to be >shorted. In this case the momentary short caused the arc taking place at the >gap does not represent a short to the power supply as in tesla gap >systems,but rather causes the series resonant process to shut off and then >become entirely inductive or capacitive. In this model a 15/1 ratio of >current conduction between off/on switching as indicated by arc activity >indicates that many cycles of ac are necessary before the voltage becomes >sufficient to jump the arc gap which it does in a firecracking discharge >similar to a dead short. This is a very poor method of creating high >frequencies in huge inductance air coils and a better method is to simply >create an air gap anywhere in the S.R. circuit. However that method >sometimes means the circiut will soon quickly stop oscillating at a high >frequency because the arc is not maintained at the proper voltage. The >binary resonant method led itself to be a very superior method of >continuously maintaining a high frequency discharge for long periods of >time, yet even this method mysteriously led to the observation that for some >reason after about an hour or so of operation the process mysteriously stops >for no apparent reason. Almost as if the process had run out of resonant >rise of electrons to oscillate. Some of these problems and logical >considerations led to the making of a double gap system which seems to be >more effective. Or your gaps are being shredded by the pulse discharge from the cap. I had real problems with small tungsten gaps at around a kiloampere over a millisecond. The tungten vaporized etc. etc. Split or multiple gap systems seem to quench better, but you'll lose Q in the circuit overall. > I tried using strontium ferrite(unmagnetised ceramic magnetic mat'l.)I >think the drawbacks exceed >the benefits in that while the impedance is increased the ability of >resonance to do its job by increasing the voltage by Q factor is also >decreased. My idea is to use a material that amplifies the electric field >instead of the magnetic. The magnetic materials cannot amplify at higher >frequencies, yet water does not lose this ability until past the frequency >of light! HDN Well, that ferrite material you used has a permeability of one. Try silicon iron laminates; hey go all out and buy amorphous metal. Now that the patents have expired you can get it without selling your blood. Typically they range from the 100's to the 10,000's. >> The binary system I am using yields a clean non EM radiation signal @ >166,000 hz. The arcs are like a tingling violet discharge and emit little >sound of discharge compared to other types. HDN > If the output is 166kHz, what is the input frequency? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 20:41:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA14326; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:40:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:40:14 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re;Arc Gap Methods Message-Id: <916807187.6504.686@excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:39:47 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"TnQaT3.0.gV3.juLfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8612 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:04:55 -0500, Keith Nagel wrote: > At 07:28 PM 1/19/99 PST, you wrote: > >> >The oscilloscope readings I got from these experiments were almost ten > >years old. As I remember the method produced about 8,000 hz. The length of > >wire was almost 10 miles in a 56 henry coil of 20,000 winds of 23 gauge. > >This was simply the aforementioned coil of 1000 ohms connected to a 440 volt > >transformer. It was connected in series with .12 mf of capacitance so that > >it was made to resonate @ 60 hz.A set of metal plates placed along their > >edges served as an arc gap apparatus in which one terminal goes to the > >midpoint and the other to either end of the circuit,each connected to either > >end of this single gap set up depending whether the coil or cap is to be > >shorted. In this case the momentary short caused the arc taking place at the > >gap does not represent a short to the power supply as in tesla gap > >systems,but rather causes the series resonant process to shut off and then > >become entirely inductive or capacitive. In this model a 15/1 ratio of > >current conduction between off/on switching as indicated by arc activity > >indicates that many cycles of ac are necessary before the voltage becomes > >sufficient to jump the arc gap which it does in a firecracking discharge > >similar to a dead short. This is a very poor method of creating high > >frequencies in huge inductance air coils and a better method is to simply > >create an air gap anywhere in the S.R. circuit. However that method > >sometimes means the circiut will soon quickly stop oscillating at a high > >frequency because the arc is not maintained at the proper voltage. The > >binary resonant method led itself to be a very superior method of > >continuously maintaining a high frequency discharge for long periods of > >time, yet even this method mysteriously led to the observation that for some > >reason after about an hour or so of operation the process mysteriously stops > >for no apparent reason. Almost as if the process had run out of resonant > >rise of electrons to oscillate. Some of these problems and logical > >considerations led to the making of a double gap system which seems to be > >more effective. > > Or your gaps are being shredded by the pulse discharge from the > cap. I had real problems with small tungsten gaps at around > a kiloampere over a millisecond. The tungten vaporized etc. etc. > > Split or multiple gap systems seem to quench better, but > you'll lose Q in the circuit overall. > > > I tried using strontium ferrite(unmagnetised ceramic magnetic mat'l.)I > >think the drawbacks exceed > >the benefits in that while the impedance is increased the ability of > >resonance to do its job by increasing the voltage by Q factor is also > >decreased. My idea is to use a material that amplifies the electric field > >instead of the magnetic. The magnetic materials cannot amplify at higher > >frequencies, yet water does not lose this ability until past the frequency > >of light! HDN > > Well, that ferrite material you used has a permeability of one. > Try silicon iron laminates; hey go all out and buy amorphous > metal. Now that the patents have expired you can get it > without selling your blood. Typically they range from the 100's > to the 10,000's. > > >> The binary system I am using yields a clean non EM radiation signal @ > >166,000 hz. The arcs are like a tingling violet discharge and emit little > >sound of discharge compared to other types. HDN > > > > If the output is 166kHz, what is the input frequency? > The input is obviously the 60 hz AC wall voltage. In the earliest designs that I am mentioning solely as a means to place a Newman size coil experimentally into a higher than source frequency: I didnt try to use 120 volts but instead used a small step up transformer to make the input voltage 440 volts. After I understood how manipulations of the arc gap system could be made, it was easy to produce miniature lightening discharges over water identical to that of tesla coils at less than 10 watts input. These discharges were only one third of an inch, but constantly reformed in another discharge and having a purple color characteristic of high frequency.HDN > K. > > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 22:26:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA13976; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:26:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:26:00 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Experimental Pastings Message-Id: <916813531.7147.596@excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:25:31 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"OQ56P.0.7Q3.rRNfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8613 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick M from Hawaii says I should post things to the list and not hoard it there at my message board so some of us shouldnt be surprised to find a little humour and maybe even your name listed at www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 You know that dave dameron really got me thinking for a while but I got to take a sabbatical on that one. All seriousness aside straight from the makeshift headquarters of the Binary Resonant System I present the following: Electrical resonance remains an enigma to free energy thinkers. Two basic resonant circuits are observed in nature. One gives a resonant rise in voltage beyond the source voltage, and one gives a resonant rise in amperage beyond the input amperage. These of course are series and parallel resonance. Since power equals voltage times amperage it is assumed that if both of these resonant rises could occur simultaneously in the same circuit one might expect the output to exceed the input. This situation is unobtainable. But what is obtainable is a oscillation between the two different resonances. To obtain this situation two opposite phases of series resonances are used in parallel. They are thus 180 degrees out of phase. This is what is reffered to as the binary resonant system. But this has nothing to do with the spatial harnessing of resonance. In the completed idea two binary systems are used at ninety degree phase difference. The conventional idea of extraction of energy present in resonance is to place a load parallel to to the resonant rise of voltage on either the inductive or capacitive elements. In each case a new pathway of amperage conduction then exists which diverts available amperage from the resonant circuit,which in turn reduces the amount of resonant rise of voltage.In the process of extraction of energy from resonance this in turn shuts down its high potential source which makes for a catch-22 proposition.The spatial harnessing of resonance involves a different kind of energy extraction whereby the potential of the electric field is not diminished. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 19 22:54:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA22895; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:54:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:54:50 -0800 Message-ID: <36A57E6B.6E1651E5@ghiocel.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:57:47 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: overlap References: <199901191446.IAA23956@mw2.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mhfBN3.0.ab5.wsNfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8614 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Rangsan, I visited your page. Very interesting. I think you have to review the equation (2) on page 4: one of the Vy momentum is written as negative. The two M2 Vy momentums are separate, for different objects and coming from a separate source. They do not cancel each other. They did not result from a previous colision of the two M2, but from to independent colisions of M with each of the two M/2. The fact that they look opposite is not relevant. They are vectors. You probably need to review the other equations too. Good luck. Regards, Dan > > From: Rangsan Rayanasuk > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: overlap > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 12:47 PM > > > > Dear all, > > > > Please visit my home page and feel free to criticize my free-energy > idea. > > > > > > http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/energy.html > > > > Thanks, > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 04:44:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA01184; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:44:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:44:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be4472$de9dda00$781a0fcb@glenvils> From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:08:37 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"6AUNC3.0.MI.X-Sfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8615 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The Generator can handle 100 KHz » 150 MHz. Now it would be rather nice to >have an amp to cover the whole range, but not necessary. I am looking more >for something to cover smaller ranges. At the moment the only ones I'm >currently interested in are (only rough figures) 100 KHz » 200 KHz; 400 >KHz » 600 KHz; 20 MHz » 50 MHz, etc... >At the moment I'm only looking to drive a torch bulb, although higher would >be nice. (Currently outputs "at least 100mV up to 35 MHz") >Cheers, Matthew. Broad-band R.F amplifiers are available, but you may need to look at a variety to cover the total bandwidth that you require. Just as an OFF-TOPIC - although not that far ;-) My little 50 Mhz TX that I used to have would light a torch globe with about 0.5 watts of R.F into it. Keep in mind that you will be dealing with Radio Frequency energy, unless you are certain that there will be NO stray radiation ( i.e you are using a "dummy load" ), or you have a relevant licence to use the target frequencies, AND the equipment is of an approved type, then you may find the FCC ( or insert local authority here - Oz is the ACA ) will be VERY interested in what you are doing - Trust me, nothing worse than a neighbour who can't watch " the ball game" on T.V because some nearby "geek" is playing radio, they are the first to run to the authorities pointing the finger. If you are conducting the experiment in a Faraday cage (which restricts the emission of R.F) or it is under controlled conditions at a location that is unlikely to cause Electromagnetic or EMC issues, then you should be O.K. However - CHECK with your local authorities. Sorry to be a "wet blanket", but you may not have been aware that officially you would be "broadcasting", and that changes the whole game. Regards, Glenville T. Sawyer Outback Communications South Australia. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 06:01:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA24829; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:00:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:00:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199901201505.MAA03590@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:59:39 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"S7pYq3.0.s36.R6Ufs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8616 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? --- 73, Marcelo - PY3SS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 06:02:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA25099; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:01:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:01:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199901201505.MAA04443@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:00:15 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"RtJKi1.0.286.K7Ufs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8617 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? --- 73, Marcelo - PY3SS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 06:20:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA32130; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:20:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:20:04 -0800 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: R: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:17:31 +0100 Message-ID: <01be447f$9e4e0080$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GB9ia3.0.qr7.JOUfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8618 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Marcelo Puhl A: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Data: mercoledě 20 gennaio 1999 15.02 Oggetto: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Here am I! Stefano - I0JJN Regards. >How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? >--- >73, > Marcelo - PY3SS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 06:48:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA12589; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:48:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:48:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:48:20 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Sender: Zack Widup Reply-To: Zack Widup Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio To: Marcelo Puhl cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199901201505.MAA03590@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eTHD73.0.c43.4pUfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8619 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? > > --- > 73, > Marcelo - PY3SS > I'm one - I've been licensed for 32 years. Zack W9SZ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 07:58:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA03638; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:57:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:57:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199901201701.OAA31052@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:18 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"0NDIG3.0.lu.3qVfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8620 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? --- 73, Marcelo - PY3SS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 08:43:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA24050; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:43:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:43:11 -0800 Message-ID: <00b201be4494$09f8c720$4e1a0fcb@glenvils> From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: , Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:48:13 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"xz_SX3.0.ht5.VUWfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8621 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? --- 73, Marcelo - PY3SS Put me on that list too !! ( 25 years with the same call ). Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 09:44:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA16825; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:44:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:44:39 -0800 Message-ID: <008401be449b$f92abd60$24388ed1@thomas> From: "Thomas" To: Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:40:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"eWHW12.0.k64.6OXfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Do any of you have TCP/IP capabilities with your radios, so, in the event of an emergency, you could exchange email, y2k bug-fixer apps, etc? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 10:47:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA14378; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:47:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:47:11 -0800 Message-ID: <002001be44a4$4e16e080$9d37a8cf@dwenbert.spacey.net> Reply-To: "dwenbert" From: "dwenbert" To: Subject: Re: Converting gamma radiation into electricity Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:40:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"O4EP23.0.RW3.kIYfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8623 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Adam To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Converting gamma radiation into electricity >Pleaase do not send me any more e-mails. > >John Schnurer wrote: >> >> Turn off the HTML !!! > #1, I am *NOT* sending you emails, just posting to a list. Please unsubscribe if you do not wish to participate in the discussion. #2, There is *NO* "HTML" in this post, or in my previous post, and I do not understand your complaint. If you are using an email program that's less than 3 years old, it would not be a problem anyway, since both the Microsoft and Netscape email packages do support HTML encoded mail pages. If you are having a problem with your mail program trying to display HTML, then you need to TURN OFF that Option ("Display as HTML") in your OWN email configuration settings. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 11:28:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA01944; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:28:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:28:21 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:27:03 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990119194814.00fc7890@cnct.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"YlHBK1.0.-T.JvYfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8624 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message <3.0.32.19990119194814.00fc7890@cnct.com>, Keith Nagel writes >Hmmm.... > >What this reminds me of is a device called a Cross Field Antenna. >Basically, this thing was a pair of plates and a coil arranged in >such a manner as to cause the electric and magentic fields to cross >(hence the name,,,doh!). The thinking was that the radiated >energy would increase due to the in phase nature of the >fields. It was reported on in some detail in the hobby journal, >"Electronic & Wireless World" a few years back. One could >save a lot of heartburn by making physically small antennas that >radiated like a 1/4 wave unit. > >I'm not sure if the company that made them is still around; >I'll check if people post me to. It was a bit of a controversy >at the time; don't know how things got resolved. > >K. > >At 12:11 AM 1/19/99 PST, you wrote: >>The Flux Capacitor >>Tuesday 19-Jan-99 > > Yep The CFA is still around. Supposedly there's a MW broadcasting staion in Egypt that uses one for its transmissions. It is a VEREY interesting concept to use the E and M fields in the right orientation and phase, to produce the EM wave. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 11:31:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA04980; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:31:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:31:30 -0800 Message-ID: <19990120192449.5314.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 21 Jan 99 02:24:49 ICT From: Rangsan Rayanasuk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re.Re.overlap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1u794.0.gD1.IyYfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8625 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Dan, Thanks for the most thoughtful comment I ever got. Sorry, for my poor English understanding, I don't see your point clearly enough to start a discussion though. Will you please be more specific and explaining more on your point? Best Regards, ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 11:31:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA05307; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:31:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:31:39 -0800 Message-ID: <19990120192625.12344.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 21 Jan 99 02:26:25 ICT From: Rangsan Rayanasuk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re.Re.overlap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vMCOW3.0.fI1.RyYfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8626 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Dan, Thanks for the most thoughtful comment I ever got. Sorry, for my poor English understanding, I don't see your point clearly enough to start a discussion though. Will you please be more specific and explaining more on your point again? Best Regards, ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 12:52:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA08013; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:51:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:51:46 -0800 Message-ID: <006501be44b6$1f55b5c0$8f3261cb@default> From: "Matthew Redmond" To: Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:46:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"vMkcf.0.5z1.X7afs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8627 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Broad-band R.F amplifiers are available, but you may need to look at a >variety to cover the >total bandwidth that you require. I'll have another look around. >......Trust me, nothing worse than a neighbour who can't >watch " the ball game" >on T.V because some nearby "geek" is playing radio, they are the first to >run to the authorities >pointing the finger. Not to worry, we live out in the country, that and my neighbour has an 86 foot mast on his front lawn and no one seems to worry. I could have asked him about the amps but I've been pestering him a little too much about other bits and pieces like water pump design, etc lately. I know he seems an obvoius person to see, and I will see him in time, I'm just getting as many ideas as possible at the moment. Again I'm not looking to power a bank of twenty 100 Watt light bulbs off this amp, just one little torch bulb. (The cheaper the better) Thanks again, Matthew. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 16:04:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA19291; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:03:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:03:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199901210003.SAA29909@neon.prysm.net> From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:53:01 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P5xHI3.0.Gj4.bxcfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8628 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Thomas, Yes, I have a 1200DR Alinco hooked up to a 9612 . Dont use it much anymore though. 73, W5BHC. "Double your money by folding it inhalf and putting it back in your pocket" Source: My Dad... ---------- > From: Thomas > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:40 AM > > Do any of you have TCP/IP capabilities with your radios, so, in the event of > an emergency, you could exchange email, y2k bug-fixer apps, etc? > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 16:34:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA29223; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:34:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:34:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990120194256.00fb5570@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:42:58 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZFxmz3.0.W87.YOdfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8629 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:27 PM 1/20/99 +0000, you wrote: >Yep The CFA is still around. Supposedly there's a MW broadcasting >staion in Egypt that uses one for its transmissions. It is a VEREY >interesting concept to use the E and M fields in the right orientation >and phase, to produce the EM wave. >-- >Chris Morriss > Well, it certainly is. Why do you suppose this hasn't been exploited commercially? If I remember, the controversy was over the lack of good measurements of radiation resistance, difficult but hardly insurmontable. So what gives? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 16:37:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA31274; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:37:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:37:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000301be44d6$79e39280$e75cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Converting gamma radiation into electricity Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:21:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"vPZsu3.0.Ze7.1Rdfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8630 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >If you are using an email program that's less >than 3 years old, it would not be a problem anyway, since both the Microsoft >and Netscape email packages do support HTML encoded mail pages. If you are >having a problem with your mail program trying to display HTML, then you >need to TURN OFF that Option ("Display as HTML") in your OWN email >configuration settings. Posting HTML to a heterogenous network, whether in email or to a newsgroup, is stupid. There's nothing wrong with 3-year-old software. And some people like neither Microsoft nor Netscape. So why not keep HTML on the web where it belongs? -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 18:13:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06408; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:13:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:13:46 -0800 From: dtmiller@nevia.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:13:18 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@nevia.net Message-ID: <36a6764d.110524731@mail.nevia.net> References: <008401be449b$f92abd60$24388ed1@thomas> In-Reply-To: <008401be449b$f92abd60$24388ed1@thomas> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA06379 Resent-Message-ID: <"uEz0m1.0.0a1.Prefs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8631 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Thomas, On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:40:28 -0800, "Thomas" wrote: >Do any of you have TCP/IP capabilities with your radios, so, in the event of >an emergency, you could exchange email, y2k bug-fixer apps, etc? TCP/IP isn't very good on radios (unless it's encapsulated in a more robust messaging system). Various protocols are a work in progress to make radio messaging more reliable. (I'm talking about long links here, not the VHF/UHF networks in congested areas.) -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 20:13:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA17920; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:13:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:13:07 -0800 Message-ID: <003701be44f3$c50da4e0$653e19d0@thomas> From: "Thomas" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: Black Light Power energy cell Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:08:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"J3tzB2.0.rN4.Ibgfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8632 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What do you think of this? http://www.blacklightpower.com As currently envisioned, energy cells will be fueled by hydrogen gas, thus the fuel would be produced externally, typically from water using electrolysis or a steam/hydrocarbon reforming process. An energy cell will perform the following sequential process functions: a.. Dissociation of molecular hydrogen to atomic hydrogen (endothermic) b.. Interaction of a primary catalyst with atomic hydrogen through coupled chemical reactions to produce hydrinos (exothermic) c.. Further self-catalytic interactions among hydrinos (exothermic) d.. Recombination to molecular state (di-hydrinos) (exothermic) Energy is transferred to the catalysts [primary or self] in the coupled reaction as well as now spontaneous radiation to the next stable state hydrino, then radiated to the cell walls for transfer to a working fluid outside the cell. The overall reaction is strongly exothermic, with the energy inputs (1.48 ev/atom to form hydrogen from water plus 2.38 ev/atom for dissociation) much less than the energy outputs (test data indicate >1,000 eV/atom from items 2, 3 and 4 above). The energy cell is the heart of the concept and a focus of ongoing development. The vapor phase cell conditions for efficient operation are determined by the need for atomic hydrogen in combination with vaporized catalyst compound. Theoretical projections and experimental data indicate optimal cell pressure is far below atmospheric pressure to limit recombination to molecular hydrogen, with optimum temperatures well in excess of 1000°C to support effective hydrogen dissociation by the cell internal structure. Theoretical power density projections in the range of 1,000 kW/liter exceed the power densities in nuclear plant cores and gas turbine combustors. Experimental power densities are uncertain due to limitations of the small-scale cells operated to date (estimates range from 0.4 to 80 kW/liter in different devices). However, a large-scale cell planned for operation by the end of 1997 is expected to provide more definitive power density data and have the capability for stand-alone operation producing thermal energy at the multi-kilowatt level. Information currently available provides confidence that conditions supportive of economically competitive applications will be achieved. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 20:49:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA01735; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:49:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:49:19 -0800 Message-ID: <127801be44f9$a2524a40$8e8080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:50:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"iyrXq3.0._Q.D7hfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8633 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Wasn't Marty McFly working on one of these? >The Flux Capacitor >Tuesday 19-Jan-99 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 21:54:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA25181; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:52:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:52:44 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:37:06 EST To: PetMagic@aol.com Cc: donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, John Schnurer , oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, Mattias , Quinney Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: great technology!!!http://jxcrystals.com/ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"2ppOo.0.E96.g2ifs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8634 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-18 21:46:39 EST, you write: << Photovoltaics without sunlight: JX Crystals manufactures the only affordable photovoltaic cells that respond to infrared radiation from a fuel-fired emitter, rather than the visible light energy from the sun. >> --------------------------------- Highlights from my conversation w/ Jason Keyes at JX Crystals (near Seattle): APPLICATION: This is a way to harvest electricity where you already have a high heat application (furnaces, water heaters, etc.)--not a preferential way of producing electricity...unless, like the military, you’re determined to eliminate all moving parts (except cooling fan) at any cost. AVAILABILITY: About 20 Midnite Sun furnaces are available for $2500 as “beta site” units--pref. sold to end-users located in the Seattle vicinity, and who can provide the most salient feedback during this latter development phase. The units consist of a 25K BTU/hr. heater (comparable to a wood-burning stove) with thermo/photo/voltaic cells built in. OPERATION: Pressurized propane or natural gas flame heats silicon carbide ceramic “emitter” which glows white hot. Forced air is mixed w/propane to increase flame heat to just under 1300 C required to induce the requisite IR frequencies from the emitter. 144 cells are positioned 1” away. Between them is a “dielectric” (I think they mean “DICHROIC”) filter: a glass w/sprayed-on layers that reflects higher (non-electricity producing) IR wavelengths back at the emitter, cooling the cells while increasing emitter efficiency by re- heating it. Cells respond to 1.7 microns & slightly higher (whereas conventional silicon cells are optimized for 1.1+ microns). OUTPUT: The unit produces 100W, 15W of which is diverted to the forced air system, leaving an available output of 85W @ 12V or 24V. The fans improve heater efficiency by circulating warm air. The Midnite Sun heater is about 1/4 as electrically efficient as solar--about 1.5% efficient--when comparing equal collector area, and assuming optimum energy input: in peak sunlight, ~1KW falls on a sq. meter of PV module; Midnite Sun, ~40W. MORE R & D: If you wanted to buy a few cells for experimentation, they could had for ~$200/pc; for a few hundred, $40/pc. (the best deal is to buy a furnace). Cells are theoretically capable of 6W: 1W is affordable w/air forced over cooling fins behind cells; 2W is expensive, a military application w/water cooling (or A LOT of air); more W requires extravagant cooling measures. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 22:11:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA32489; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:10:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:10:09 -0800 Message-ID: <36A6C575.43AD70BE@ghiocel.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:13:09 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: overlap References: <19990120192449.5314.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XVXwC.0.Wx7.1Jifs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8635 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Rangsan, My point is that when you add the four impulse vectors you add them as POSITIVE. Actually there you have two independent collisions: 1. Ball M hits upper M/2 2. Ball M hits lower M/2 Since the collision angle is ideally 45deg, each collision produces a 45 deg vector that you can project on the two axis, X and Y. So for each collision you have Vx, Vy. The initial impulse of the ball M is transferred to the Vx and Vy components of the M/2 balls. If the system is perfectly symetrical then each ball will get half of the impulse. Normally, the M/2 balls will move on 45 degree trajectories symetrical with the collision direction. The effect of perpendicular movement of the balls, I think has more to do with what happens during and after the collision. If the balls hit an obstacle, the 45 deg component is reflected as reaction, so the resultant between these two has only one component on the y axis. I think the obstacle does not need to be a solid wall, and I think these effect is also connected with the elastic properties during the collision. The REACTION to this collision (Law three of dynamics action-reaction) applies to ball M two Vx forces that add together to stop the ball M, and two opposite Vy forces that are acting as opposite ON THE SAME OBJECT M, therefore they cancel each other. Assuming a perfectly geometrical collision, there is no direct interaction between the balls M/2. I think I observed the effect you are talking about on the pool table, and is amazing when the balls hit exactly symetrically take off in a direction perpendicular to the direction of the hit! I appologize I do not have too much time to look into this issue. Try to redo the equations from page four on, using the positive sign for both Vy and see what you get and post it. I would be curious to see how the results look. The collisions under an angle are usually much more difficult to analyze then the straight ones. Regards, Dan Rangsan Rayanasuk wrote: > > Dear Dan, > Thanks for the most thoughtful comment I ever got. Sorry, for my poor English > understanding, I don't see your point clearly enough to start a discussion > though. Will you please be more specific and explaining more on your point? > Best Regards, > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 20 22:15:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA02471; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:15:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:15:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000401be4505$84c1d0c0$7b1a0fcb@glenvils> From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:35:20 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"-6AXX2.0.Wc.4Oifs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Thomas To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 04:14 Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio >Do any of you have TCP/IP capabilities with your radios, so, in the event of >an emergency, you could exchange email, y2k bug-fixer apps, etc? (Off-topic a little). Yes, I have a number of "Data" modes available, and my "Radio Shack" , NO not THE Radio Shack :-) , is my campe-rmobile, I am a Regional director of an Emergency communication service here in Australia ( the Wireless Institute Civil Emergency Network ) " WICEN " (say it " Why-Sen "), been in that for the last 25 years too ! Globally there are literally thousands of Amateurs with this type of capability, right Zack !!! There is a domain name server in most countries, dedicated to the amateur network, so you end up with 113.456.22.7 type local domain references, very similar to the Net. Glenville. VK5ZCF@VK5BRC - don't try this address from Internet though. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 03:09:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA24955; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:09:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:09:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990121050958.007abd10@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:09:58 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Bill Beaty...Q-Machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QgXs5.0.q56.Ehmfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I found the reference where I heard it, that design was referred to as a >Q-machine 6 weeks ago on this list: >http://www.escribe.com/cgi-bin/webglimpse/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/scienc e/freenrg?query=Q-machine >Dave Hey Bill... Don't know if you read previous posts from Dave Tingley and myself concerning your comments made in November concerning the Q-machine...I'm most interersted in any information you might have with regard to this concept...can you point me in the right direction? Thanks Paul From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 05:47:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA23591; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:46:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:46:43 -0800 Message-ID: <36A79D63.D3E@vossnet.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:34:27 -0800 From: "W.D. Bauer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 [de] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: harti@harti.com Subject: new article about Zaev effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8XACD2.0.Tm5.3_ofs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: There is a new article (consisting of two parts) by me about the Zaev-effect on the net at http://www.overunity.com/theory.htm The first part (at http://www.overunity.com/zaev/dlgwww.htm) calculates a differential equation of describing the thermodynamic behavior of a unique dielectric material if set under periodic voltage with offset. (released already since 22.12.98) The second part (at http://www.overunity.com/zaev/dlgwww2.htm ) from 20.1.99 solves this problem and gives the results. Contrary to our prior opinion (but acc. to Sergej Godin's newest experimental result) it is found for thermodynamically unique defined dielectric model substances, that only losses appear regardless of the form of the signal and no overunity can be found for this problem under investigation. Therefore, the literature was consulted about non-unique behavior of titanates and concrete experimental informations were found about slowly relaxing polycrystalline Ba-Sr-titanate materials in the paraelectric state which are perhaps candidates for such effects as explained in the text. Best regards Dieter Bauer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 07:10:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19661; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:09:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:09:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199901211614.NAA24085@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:08:46 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: overlap Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <36A6C575.43AD70BE@ghiocel.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"1plJ73.0.6p4.7Dqfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Dear Rangsan, > > My point is that when you add the four impulse vectors you add them as > POSITIVE. Actually there you have two independent collisions: > 1. Ball M hits upper M/2 > 2. Ball M hits lower M/2 > Since the collision angle is ideally 45deg, each collision produces > a 45 deg vector that you can project on the two axis, X and Y. > So for each collision you have Vx, Vy. > The initial impulse of the ball M is transferred to the Vx and Vy > components of the M/2 balls. If the system is perfectly symetrical then > each ball will get half of the impulse. > Normally, the M/2 balls will move on 45 degree trajectories symetrical > with the collision direction. Wouldn't the two M/2 balls start spinning after the colision ? One CW and the other CCW ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 09:39:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10647; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:38:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:38:43 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:15:59 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: 'Sea-ponics' Resent-Message-ID: <"e_mZf2.0.Gc2.ZOsfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Russ, I'm getting two copies of everything you send... >To Wom... > >Whoever emailed about this horticultural innovation, PLEASE RE-TRANSMIT...it >evaporated with an errant keystroke. Thanks. > >--Russ Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 11:01:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA09007; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:18 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <91bf2cc1.36a778fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:59:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , bill@basselectronics.com, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , johnhoffman@webtv.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, John Schnurer , oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, Mattias , Quinney Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (Addendum Re: www.jxcrystals.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"eVpdO.0.eC2.-btfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: My post should have read: >The Midnite Sun heater is about >1/4 as electrically efficient as solar--about 1.5% efficient--when comparing >equal collector area, and assuming optimum energy input: in peak sunlight, >~1KW falls on a sq. meter of PV module, producing ~100W; Midnite Sun, ~40W. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 11:03:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA09785; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:03:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:03:18 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <6eda9d41.36a778f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:59:03 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 'Sea-ponics' Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"T5IaH1.0.jO2.rdtfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8642 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tx., sorry...found the duplication...let me know.. How's it going? --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 11:10:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15949; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:10:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:10:30 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:59:12 EST To: PetMagic@aol.com Cc: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com, richarda@icx.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, John Schnurer , oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, Mattias , Quinney Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: jxcystalls info you requested Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"PlRqq3.0.6v3.aktfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-21 00:46:14 EST, you write: << of course, hydrogen should work in the unit as supplied, just provide proper pressure.... >> Jason said 'That's precisely our problem--too many potential applications (throughout industry, etc.), which is why I asked about buying just the emitter/cell combination for experiments (cheapest to buy & dismantle the whole furnace). I see these being coupled to the exhaust of hydrogen-powered internal comb. eng.'s...but, again, the weakest link is BATTERIES--their cumbersome size & weight, dammit! --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 11:19:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20251; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:19:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:19:33 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:17:28 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"GwK-G.0.Gy4.5ttfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This OU prospect is riveting; in the meantime... Has anyone heard of a firm in FL called something like Hydro-Cap? They reportedly use a platinum or palladium catalytic converter to harvest usable, efficient, low heat from electrolyzed hydrogen. Tx. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 12:36:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA22251; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:35:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:35:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990120194256.00fb5570@cnct.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uJTZM3.0.ZR5.k-ufs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: See note... question... On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Keith Nagel wrote: > At 07:27 PM 1/20/99 +0000, you wrote: > ******>Yep The CFA is still around. Supposedly there's a MW broadcasting Uses one WHAT ??? And what is CFA? And how and where in the signal chain is-are CFA or 'What?' placed... and what does it do? > >staion in Egypt that uses one for its transmissions. It is a VEREY > >interesting concept to use ?????? the E and M fields in the right orientation > >and phase, to produce the EM wave. ????? **********> >-- > >Chris Morriss > > > > Well, it certainly is. Why do you suppose this hasn't been exploited > commercially? If I remember, the controversy was over the lack > of good measurements of radiation resistance, difficult but hardly > insurmontable. So what gives? > > K. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 12:44:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA24836; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:44:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:44:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990122034108.0069f37c@usa.net> X-Sender: rsn9@usa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:41:08 +0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: rangsan Subject: Re.overlap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"thnln1.0.z36.W6vfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Dan, Very interesting, I tried to figure out your point. I still don't understand how you consider the collision though. I think it doesn't matter whether they're independent collisions or not. When you add those impulses in an equation based on conservation law of momentum, the Vy of the lower M/2 can be nothing but -Vy because of its actual direction comparing with the other Vy after the collision. And I don't think the collision angle is 45 but 30. Basically, I'd like to put more emphasis on the kinetic energy in terms of both M/2's movements corresponding with Y axis after the collision. I have no doubt that both M/2 move in a way that keeps the total momentum unchanged, namely the center of mass of those ball's velocity is preserved all along. I think if you answer these following questions, you'll know what this's all about. Do you think the equivalent velocities corresponding with X axis of both M/2 after collision is smaller than that of M before the collision? If yes, don't you violate the conservation law of momentum? And, if you think they're equal, do you think Vy = 0? If so, how can it happens? Finally, if Vy > 0, what about the conservation law of energy? I really appreciate discussing with you. Thanks and hope to talk more about the theory. Gratefully, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 14:18:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA01971; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:18:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:18:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199901212218.QAA28179@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Re.overlap Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:17:46 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1wi4l3.0.iU.wUwfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: rangsan, A little geometry: Put your three balls tangently at rest. In the center of the group is the common center of g. Draw a line from the center outward thru the center of each ball. The resulting 3 open angles are each 120 deg. Draw a line from the center of each ball to the center of all the other balls. A triangle forms, of which each angle is 60 deg, measured on the inside. So there's your true angles. It does not matter if one or all of the balls have motion, when they collide, all energies must travel thru the center of all center of g, regardless of how the energy is distributed to each ball. Just some more thoughts on your interesting subject. Joe Portman =================== ---------- > From: rangsan > To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com > Subject: Re.overlap > Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 2:41 PM > > Dear Dan, > > Very interesting, I tried to figure out your point. I still don't > understand how you consider the collision though. I think it doesn't From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 14:27:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA07418; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:27:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:27:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199901212227.QAA17167@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:26:34 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S4UzB1.0.kp1.5dwfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8648 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Russ, Have'nt heard of the co, but platinum is a good all around catalyst. You can make up a converter yourself. Buy some ready made plating solution from a plater. Some fighter jets utilize a platinum cat converter to scavenge hydrogen just before the combustion stage. It makes for better fuel effeciency. The converter runs off engine heat, so it's a plus. Hope this helps...........Joe Portman ================================= ---------- > From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell > Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:17 PM > > This OU prospect is riveting; in the meantime... > > Has anyone heard of a firm in FL called something like Hydro-Cap? They > reportedly use a platinum or palladium catalytic converter to harvest usable, > efficient, low heat from electrolyzed hydrogen. Tx. > > --Russ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 15:20:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA31433; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:20:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:20:46 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:12:56 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:20:14 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:30 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Bouncing Magnets To: freenrg-l , vortex-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:12:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1910ZXTGQ0WZ7 X400-MTS-identifier: [;65218112109991/3475001@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"LPb5P2.0.fg7.CPxfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8649 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All, We have all seen many instances of a magnet floating above another, without any outside energy being input, work is being accomplished. There has to be a way to harness this. Dumb question time. We have magnetically attracted materials such as iron, and magnetically repulsed materials such as another magnet of the same polarity. We also have magnetically transparent materials like paper & glass. Do we also have magnetically shielding material such that when passed between two magnets with the same poles pointed at each other they stop repulsing each other. Conversely if the two magnets have opposite poles pointed at each other this material would then act to eliminate the attraction to each other. Also it would be beneficial if the magnets would not impart any resistance to having this material passed between them. Could we not then put together a device that would have a fixed magnet on the bottom with say north pointing up, and another magnet above it with north pointing down. You would want the upper magnet to be fixed from moving left/right and forward/backward, but free to move up and down. Also you would want to maintain a certain distance between them so that you can pass this material in between. When this shielding material is not between them the upper floating magnet moves up. When the material is slid between them, the repulsion disappears, gravity takes over and the upper magnet moves down. You should then be able to harness the bobbing up & down of the floating magnet to do useful work. I have seen references to aluminum affecting magnetic fields, but does it do what I want it too. Could someone please clarify this for me. I have some neodymium magnets on order and I would like to start testing various materials. Has this already been tried? Is there a reference table somewhere of different materials and how they interact with magnetic fields? Working with computers, hardware & software, I feel more like a mechanic than an electronics technician. My electronics training from twenty some years ago has mostly atrophied. Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated? Bill webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 16:46:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA08986; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:39:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:39:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a601be459f$ed80a420$a05cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:16:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"cJNns.0.HC2.RZyfs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8650 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: CFA = "crossed-field antenna". The idea is that, instead of creating a giant antenna 1/4 of the wavelength for AM broadcasting, why not just build an electric field emitter and a magnetic field emitter and phase them properly to construct an electromagnetic wave of any desired wavelength? Almost everyone says this won't work except the company which invented it. By the way, anybody know what ever happened to the contrawound toroidal helical antenna? -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 17:02:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13782; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:01:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:01:40 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:53:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor In-Reply-To: <00a601be459f$ed80a420$a05cadd1@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RlkHV2.0.FN3.qtyfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8651 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Jim and Fre., Very neat! Any further references, ie. ,patent numbers and name and location of company? On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > CFA = "crossed-field antenna". The idea is that, instead of creating a > giant antenna 1/4 of the wavelength for AM broadcasting, why not just build > an electric field emitter and a magnetic field emitter and phase them > properly to construct an electromagnetic wave of any desired wavelength? > Almost everyone says this won't work except the company which invented it. > > By the way, anybody know what ever happened to the contrawound toroidal > helical antenna? As far as I know it is still referenced in antenna texts... But we may be not writing about the same thing.... > This is two side-by-side helicals.. one left hand, one right hand ... > -- Yes? > "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. Depends on your library ... and how you feel about certain recent articles in periodical publications :) ! > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 17:16:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA20882; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:16:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:16:13 -0800 Message-ID: <36A7D2AF.316F@lcia.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:21:51 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4mhTE3.0.765.S5zfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8652 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com wrote: > > This OU prospect is riveting; in the meantime... > > Has anyone heard of a firm in FL called something like Hydro-Cap? They > reportedly use a platinum or palladium catalytic converter to harvest usable, > efficient, low heat from electrolyzed hydrogen. Tx. > > --Russ There is a firm in Miami that makes caps for storage batteries that use a platinum catalyst to convert the gas from a charging battery back to water. I believe the name is Hydro-cap. I believe this is all they make. I haven't been in touch with them for years. Ron Brennen back to water so that you don't need to add water From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 17:50:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA01892; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:50:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:50:16 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:45:53 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <000001be43e6$2c434de0$493261cb@default> In-Reply-To: <000001be43e6$2c434de0$493261cb@default> Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"tnN551.0.TT.Nbzfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8653 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I have myself a standard frequency generator. This does not put out enough >power to run a small light bulb. I want to change this. If anyone can tell >me how to construct an appropriate amp(s) (generator runs from 100Khz » >150Mhz (450 Megs on Harmonics)) to be able to achive this goal then please >reply. Look around at: http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/ I recall they had a wide band amp of some kind, tho I'm not quite sure it will do what you want. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 18:13:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA13098; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:13:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:13:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199901220213.UAA14982@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:12:55 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wyiQa3.0.SC3.Mxzfs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8654 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Bill, As a boy, I thought much the same thing. Never found that special material, but always remembered the problem. Data: Aluminum is somewhat magnetic, as is liquid oxygen. My machine was like yours, except I had the mags opposite polarity. My mag went up and down on a crank with a flywheel. I had a 1/16" gap thru which I passed a double-edged razor blade, which was heated. I could not get blade hot enough so don't know if it would work. Electrons and magnetism cannot pass thru a shield of heat.......something I had read. With today's small butane torch, you should be able to try the idea. If you do, I would like to hear what you learned. ----------Joe Portman =================================== > From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > To: freenrg-l ; vortex-l > Subject: Bouncing Magnets > Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:10 PM > > All, > > We have all seen many instances of a magnet floating above another, without > any outside energy being input, work is being accomplished. There has to be > a way to harness this. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 18:43:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27867; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:43:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:43:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: mark@plug-in.com.br Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <00b201be4494$09f8c720$4e1a0fcb@glenvils> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tVCpM1.0.Ip6.mM-fs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8655 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: No a ham.... Am radio nut... tubes.... FET, SIT IGBT AND: Long Wave!!!! AND: Sferics.... On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Glenville T. Sawyer wrote: > > How many Ham Radio operators we have here ? > --- > 73, > Marcelo - PY3SS > > > Put me on that list too !! ( 25 years with the same call ). > > Glenville. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 18:49:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA26991; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:49:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:49:24 -0800 Message-ID: <36A7E886.597@lcia.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:55:02 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OqpOx1.0.Ub6.oS-fs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8656 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > > All, > > We have all seen many instances of a magnet floating above another, without > any outside energy being input, work is being accomplished. There has to be > a way to harness this. > > Dumb question time. We have magnetically attracted materials such as iron, > and magnetically repulsed materials such as another magnet of the same > polarity. We also have magnetically transparent materials like paper & > glass. > > Do we also have magnetically shielding material such that when passed > between two magnets with the same poles pointed at each other they stop > repulsing each other. Conversely if the two magnets have opposite poles > pointed at each other this material would then act to eliminate the > attraction to each other. > > Also it would be beneficial if the magnets would not impart any resistance > to having this material passed between them. > > Could we not then put together a device that would have a fixed magnet on > the bottom with say north pointing up, and another magnet above it with > north pointing down. You would want the upper magnet to be fixed from > moving left/right and forward/backward, but free to move up and down. Also > you would want to maintain a certain distance between them so that you can > pass this material in between. > > When this shielding material is not between them the upper floating magnet > moves up. When the material is slid between them, the repulsion disappears, > gravity takes over and the upper magnet moves down. You should then be able > to harness the bobbing up & down of the floating magnet to do useful work. > > I have seen references to aluminum affecting magnetic fields, but does it do > what I want it too. Could someone please clarify this for me. > > I have some neodymium magnets on order and I would like to start testing > various materials. Has this already been tried? Is there a reference table > somewhere of different materials and how they interact with magnetic fields? > > Working with computers, hardware & software, I feel more like a mechanic > than an electronics technician. My electronics training from twenty some > years ago has mostly atrophied. > > Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated? > > Bill > webriggs@concentric.net Bismuth is said to repel magnetism. Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 20:06:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA22496; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:06:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:06:45 -0800 Message-ID: <003e01be45bc$e5155020$6e5cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:08:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"wcyAL2.0.PV5.Kb_fs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8657 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm still looking for information on the CFA and the CTHA on the net, but I'm not having any luck tonight. I'll try again when I'm not so tired. The CTHA is not what you describe, however: > This is two side-by-side helicals.. one left hand, one right hand ... It's two helices wound on a torus. Sort of like a caduceus coil, only continuous. They claim that it's omnidirectional with gain, if I remember rightly. I'll post the references as soon as I find them. -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 22:44:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA14918; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:44:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:44:14 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:42:31 EST To: donadams@telusplanet.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, John Schnurer , oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, Mattias , Quinney , lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , UNIR2B1NM@aol.com, richarda@icx.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, PetMagic@aol.com, biotron@pacbell.net, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alternative horticulture--SPIRULINA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"kkSJU2.0.ke3.yu1gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8658 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ...I have an ideally robust strain growing on humanure compost. I want to propagate the culture (not to mention, to obviate losing it). _Food from Sunlight_, loaned by a friend, deals with chlorella (less than ideal), and the growth medium published on the UT website is complicated and impossibly expensive without complete chem lab facilities. I'm soliciting any suggestions about affordable growth media. Once a stable culture is ensured, I'll apply various 'Alternative horticultural techniques' that have been referenced on this thread (e.g., electrical signals conducting through the water, or some of my own hypotheses like exposing a culture to IR emissions from a layer of heated sea salt radiating through a glass-bottom container). Positive results will be relayed, and viable specimens freely distributed to anyone interested, as availability permits. Anyone can *buy* non-propagating, freeze dried algae at the health food store--more addiction to the centralized system of the international bankers. How radically different the world would be if everyone had his own spirulina culture, directly from the omnipresent system of Nature. A few ergs of your intellect diverted to this project might equal an otherwise neglected investment in our collective future. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 23:26:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA28632; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:26:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:26:17 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <4f61399b.36a827f0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:25:36 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 141 Resent-Message-ID: <"LeG7n.0.H_6.OW2gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8659 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear ALL, The Return of the SMOT....You will find an interesting update in my web site about some new energy gain measurements and efficiency of the SMOT. For you don't know what is the SMOT, this is a very simple free energy demonstrator that anyone can build easily (all diagrams and pictures are posted in my web site (freely...)). The principle is very simple : a steel ball climbs a magnetic ramp, the magnetic energy is converted into kinetic/potential energy and the "regauging" effect is done by the gravity during the drop... If you are interested, I suggest you to see at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/smotnrgt.htm Best Regards and good week-end, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) Email:jnaudin509@aol.com Main Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 23:30:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA20030; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:29:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:29:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36A82970.68A7533@ghiocel.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:32:00 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re.overlap References: <3.0.3.32.19990122034108.0069f37c@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GBqda2.0.ru4.PZ2gs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8660 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Rangsan, You might be rirght regarding the angle, if the three balls are not of the same diameter. I kept thinking about a pool table and probably, I forgot the diameter. Still, for the purpose of the discussion is not relevant; it only changes the ratios between the forces, but the mechanical configuration is the same. You start with one impulse, one ball and you split it into 2 equal impulses on two balls. The two Vy vectors do not cancel each other. Each one of them belongs to a different body and is able to be transferred later on to other objects. If you want to be consistent, just assume first two impulse vectors resulting, one for each M/2 ball, just as two vectors in the direction of the collisions. If you go in two steps, you will understand why the two Vy are separate. Regards, Dan rangsan wrote: > > Dear Dan, > Very interesting, I tried to figure out your point. I still don't understand how you consider the collision though. I think it doesn't matter whether they're independent collisions or not. When you add those impulses in an equation based on conservation law of momentum, the Vy of the lower M/2 can be nothing but -Vy because of its actual direction comparing with the other Vy after the collision. And I don't think the collision angle is 45 but 30. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 21 23:32:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA32381; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:32:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:32:22 -0800 From: dtmiller@nevia.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:31:50 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@nevia.net Message-ID: <36ad2140.219840795@mail.nevia.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA32364 Resent-Message-ID: <"UBequ.0.sv7.5c2gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8661 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Russ, On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:17:28 EST, UNIR2B1NM@aol.com wrote: >This OU prospect is riveting; in the meantime... > >Has anyone heard of a firm in FL called something like Hydro-Cap? They >reportedly use a platinum or palladium catalytic converter to harvest usable, >efficient, low heat from electrolyzed hydrogen. Tx. Yup. But that's not the primary use for these caps. These caps are used to recombine H2 and O2 from an electrolysis, where the gases aren't wanted. Primarily, they were developed for flooded-cell batteries so the H2 didn't build up in the battery room when charging the batteries (dangerous if there's a spark). They also greatly reduce the need for adding distilled water to the batteries on a monthly basis. Look at: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/energy-resources/homepower-magazine/archives/11/11pg37.txt (it's a looong URL, but has a good article from Homepower magazine) They're apparently at: Hydrocap 975 NW 95th St. Miami, FL USA 33150 Telephone: (305) 696-2504 -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 04:43:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA30578; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:43:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:43:04 -0800 Message-ID: <36A8724E.42B4@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:42:55 +0100 From: Jean-Pierre LENTIN Reply-To: jplentin@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net Subject: Science Frontieres symposium Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"241Yc.0.ZT7.O97gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8662 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, and particularly French-speaking members This is a (late) announcement for this year's Science Frontieres festival in Cavaillon (south of France), january 27th to 31st 1999. As usual, Science Frontieres may be expected to be a pleasant and laid-back meeting between practitioners of new science AND conventional science, with dozens of lectures and debates. For this edition I was asked to invite representatives of the "free energy" field in France. Dates on this topic will be : - january 28th, 10 AM, my lecture on the history of water motors, from Keely and Schauberger to current research in electrolysis or cavitation. - january 28th, 9.30 PM, debate on "Inventions for tomorrow" (mainly free energy and antigravity) with Jean-Louis Naudin, Jean-Paul Biberian, Patrick Cornille, Alexandre Szames and Joel Sternheimer, with me as moderator. - january 29th, 10 AM. Lecture by Jean-Paul Biberian on cold fusion and his experiments for the French state-funded CEA (Atomic Energy Commission). - same day and hour (shame !), Jean-Louis Naudin on electromagnetic O/U and antigrav devices, with help from physicist Patrick Cornille, PhD, and science writer Alexandre Szames (who just published a magnificent 500 pages book on Thomas Townsend Brown and related topics - most of it in French, alas....). Full program is available (in French only) at : http://www.transfert.net/mag/reportag/pages/m1frepor.htm I'll post a report after the festival. Cheers to all From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 05:06:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA04783; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:05:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:05:44 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:59:28 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <003e01be45bc$e5155020$6e5cadd1@default> In-Reply-To: <003e01be45bc$e5155020$6e5cadd1@default> Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"7vRwJ1.0.cA1.eU7gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8663 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >It's two helices wound on a torus. Sort of like a caduceus coil, only >continuous. They claim that it's omnidirectional with gain, if I remember >rightly. Perhaps you are looking for US Patent #4,204,212 "Conformal Spiral Antenna"? Patent rights have been assigned to the US Army. Don't recall it being a tours tho. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 06:16:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA30940; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:16:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:16:10 -0800 Message-ID: <001201be4611$ab77dc20$92a9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:15:29 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xf0rZ.0.EZ7.eW8gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8664 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, Good work in demonstrating the energy gain of the SMOT! Now if we can figure a way to make it a closed loop 8^) Regards, Michael > >The Return of the SMOT....You will find an interesting update in my web site >about some new energy gain measurements and efficiency of the SMOT. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 06:17:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA31620; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:17:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:17:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199901221417.IAA16376@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:16:55 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kkjvg2.0.zj7.8Y8gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8665 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, The test would be more interesting and conclusive if the end of the ramp were connected back to the magnet. Then maybe the ball would go around perpetually. Just a thought...Joe Portman ========================= ---------- > From: JNaudin509@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... > Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 1:25 AM > > Dear ALL, > > The Return of the SMOT....You will find an interesting update in my web site > about some new energy gain measurements and efficiency of the SMOT. > For you don't know what is the SMOT, this is a very simple free energy > demonstrator that anyone can build easily (all diagrams and pictures are > posted in my web site (freely...)). The principle is very simple : a steel > ball climbs a magnetic ramp, the magnetic energy is converted into > kinetic/potential energy and the "regauging" effect is done by the gravity > during the drop... > > If you are interested, I suggest you to see at : > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/smotnrgt.htm > > Best Regards and good week-end, > > Jean-Louis Naudin (France) > Email:jnaudin509@aol.com > Main Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 06:41:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA09065; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:41:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: <004401be4615$9814a560$4b1a0fcb@glenvils> From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:04:08 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"561Md.0.YD2.Su8gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8666 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hmm... let's see, there should a KIT for this !!!! (Sorry to all those that did get "burned", I couldn't resist the temptation, it WON'T happen again) ! Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 08:08:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA05575; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:07:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:07:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990122080012.1bcf9e3c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:00:12 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Electromagnetic potentials: Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6DSVs1.0.0N1.B9Ags"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8667 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I found these pages which may be interesting, they start with Maxwell's eqn's. http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/duncan/phys531/gaugeinvariance/node1.html It shows what the electric and magnetic potentials, phi and A, are. It mentions the Coulomb and Lorentz gauges, but says the physical results are independent of the gauge used. I will have to give this more thought. Anyone have any ideas? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 09:19:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA04222; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:19:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:19:00 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <82a8fa16.36a8b2bd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:17:49 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"IZsMG.0.p11.4CBgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8668 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/22/99 6:19:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, aaa@texas.net writes: << Hi, The test would be more interesting and conclusive if the end of the ramp were connected back to the magnet. Then maybe the ball would go around perpetually. Just a thought...Joe Portman >> Uh, I think this has been tried---- (For newer list members - it was claimed, but never duplicated by others, that a closed loop worked for extended periods (hours to over 3 days)) K en Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 09:51:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA20681; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:51:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:51:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199901221751.MAA014.90@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> From: Charlie Hodgson Reply-to: Charlie Hodgson Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:51:16 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Need sources for used scopes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b48 (Unregistered) Resent-Message-ID: <"flgOe2.0.235.JgBgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8669 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Anyone know of any sources for used oscilloscopes? I particularly interested in a Tektronix 465B TIA, Charlie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 12:10:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA12709; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:10:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:10:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com cc: donadams@telusplanet.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, Mattias , Quinney , lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , UNIR2B1NM@aol.com, richarda@icx.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, PetMagic@aol.com, biotron@pacbell.net, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, John Schnurer Subject: Re: Alternative horticulture--SPIRULINA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"BQwMX.0.G63.QiDgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8670 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, Apologies in advance for possible typo errors.. the machine I am borrowing has 'hair trigger' keybooard. I work with a small groupp of investigators who apply mulltidisciplinary approaches to many efforts. The bioloogicall sciences are among some of the many areas we study. We do real worlld applied science.... noot conceppts about what MIGHT work, among other areas we have quite a bit of IP, intellectual property which has been reduced to practiice [dang key bd!]inn the field of growing plants..[ha!] please contact me off line. some of the woork includes but is not limited to: non chemical pest conntrol and plant control true organic methoods propagation methods methods for alltering growth of plannts. This is an abbreviated listing ... Any legitimate, serious investigators wishing to On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 UNIR2B1NM@aol.com wrote: > ...I have an ideally robust strain growing on humanure compost. I want to > propagate the culture (not to mention, to obviate losing it). _Food from > Sunlight_, loaned by a friend, deals with chlorella (less than ideal), and the > growth medium published on the UT website is complicated and impossibly > expensive without complete chem lab facilities. > I'm soliciting any suggestions about affordable growth media. Once a stable > culture is ensured, I'll apply various 'Alternative horticultural techniques' > that have been referenced on this thread (e.g., electrical signals conducting > through the water, or some of my own hypotheses like exposing a culture to IR > emissions from a layer of heated sea salt radiating through a glass-bottom > container). Positive results will be relayed, and viable specimens freely > distributed to anyone interested, as availability permits. > > Anyone can *buy* non-propagating, freeze dried algae at the health food > store--more addiction to the centralized system of the international bankers. > How radically different the world would be if everyone had his own spirulina > culture, directly from the omnipresent system of Nature. A few ergs of your > intellect diverted to this project might equal an otherwise neglected > investment in our collective future. > > --Russ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 15:20:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA24557; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:20:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:20:20 -0800 Message-ID: <36A92AC4.7724@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:49:56 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <4f61399b.36a827f0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZRijY1.0.V_5.oUGgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8671 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > Dear ALL, > > The Return of the SMOT....You will find an interesting update in my web site > about some new energy gain measurements and efficiency of the SMOT. > For you don't know what is the SMOT, this is a very simple free energy > demonstrator that anyone can build easily (all diagrams and pictures are > posted in my web site (freely...)). The principle is very simple : a steel > ball climbs a magnetic ramp, the magnetic energy is converted into > kinetic/potential energy and the "regauging" effect is done by the gravity > during the drop... > > If you are interested, I suggest you to see at : > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/smotnrgt.htm > > Best Regards and good week-end, > > Jean-Louis Naudin (France) Jean-Loius, During the popularity of the SMOT, an issue was raised concerning the input energy. If you restrain the ball at the start of the ramp, while it is already being effected by the magnets, then the energy input is non-zero. Several people suggested elaborate gates and other devices to release the ball without imparting any momentum to the ball, but this fails to address the energy stored in the distrotion of the ramps magnetic field by the ball itself. This is essentially the same thing as pre-loading a mechancial spring. Your calculations do not account for this energy, so you cannot claim any true energy gain without accounting for this extra input energy. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 16:34:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20875; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:33:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:33:43 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAynnWd6nI86BqD2ycdLnerarnDwQCFDbhD66vfXB1yZ1rRQznkRWA0f7W From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:33:40 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets Message-ID: <20582-36A918E4-1125@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN)'s message of Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:55:02 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Np-zv3.0.065.cZHgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8672 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: All, We have all seen many instances of a magnet floating above another, without any outside energy being input, work is being accomplished. There has to be a way to harness this. Dumb question time. We have magnetically attracted materials such as iron, and magnetically repulsed materials such as another magnet of the same polarity. We also have magnetically transparent materials like paper & glass. Do we also have magnetically shielding material such that when passed between two magnets with the same poles pointed at each other they stop repulsing each other. Conversely if the two magnets have opposite poles pointed at each other this material would then act to eliminate the attraction to each other. Also it would be beneficial if the magnets would not impart any resistance to having this material passed between them. Have thought about this also, Aluminum has some effect on magnets,I built the Reed Motor and had no success in getting it to work. To date that I know of there is no material that can shield a magnet and not be attracted to that shield.There was mention of Bismuth on the list back when the Smot was new news. Don't know any thing about it but found this from Art Bells site. Could someone on the list give us a little info as to what effect will it have on a magnet? The Heat Thing sounds intresting Also. RB. Art BellArt's Parts - strange "Roswell UFO" Bismuth material given to Art Bell Address:http://www.anw.com/aliens/ArtsParts.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 17:47:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19716; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:46:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:46:59 -0800 Message-ID: <36AA4BA3.4D5B@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:22:27 -0800 From: Stuart Rae X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qIDxt1.0.xp4.IeIgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8673 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > > Do we also have magnetically shielding material such that when passed > between two magnets with the same poles pointed at each other they stop > repulsing each other. > On my desk sit two, four inch diameter, three quarter inch thick, flat, doughnut shaped magnets, locked firmly together in attraction. The SAME poles are facing each other. The material in between, is simply a disk of quarter inch thick iron. BUT, if both magnets are moved apart, and equally spaced from the intervening disk, they will initially repel each other quite firmly. And as they are slowly brought together, a magnetic 'neutral' point is clearly observed, followed by an increasing force of ATTRACTION. SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 18:20:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA30803; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:20:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:20:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990122212534.0095d660@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:28:21 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Electromagnetic potentials: Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZeWbD.0.4X7.N7Jgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8674 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi dave. Well, to give a crude analogy, consider a pair of air core copper inductors. Allow a mutual inductance to exist between them. If I apply a steady state DC field (say with an additional coil and a battery) to this transformer does this have any effect on the induced current from primary to secondary? K. At 08:00 AM 1/22/99, you wrote: >Hi All, >I found these pages which may be interesting, they start with Maxwell's eqn's. >http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/duncan/phys531/gaugeinvariance/node1.html > >It shows what the electric and magnetic potentials, phi and A, are. >It mentions the Coulomb and Lorentz gauges, but says the physical results >are independent of the gauge used. I will have to give this more thought. >Anyone have any ideas? >-Dave > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 18:42:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA05344; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:42:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:42:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:33:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E cc: John Schnurer Subject: Lost John Allen ... again.... He bounces.... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"M7PpU3.0.BJ1.tRJgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8675 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Subject: Lost John Allen ... again.... He bounces.... Header said 'er.... Can anyone help? JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 18:54:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA11445; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:54:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:54:02 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Frequency Generator Amp Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:54:32 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36ad3929.281949663@24.192.1.20> References: <000e01be4427$6f1f7b20$793261cb@default> In-Reply-To: <000e01be4427$6f1f7b20$793261cb@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xHpld2.0.ko2.AdJgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8676 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:45:25 +1300, Matthew Redmond wrote: [snip] >At the moment I'm only looking to drive a torch bulb, although higher would >be nice. (Currently outputs "at least 100mV up to 35 MHz") > >Cheers, > >Matthew. If you are thinking of modulating the light from the bulb, then I suspect you will find that the bulb itself will give diminishing returns as they frequency gets higher. By about 100 Hz or so, there won't be much of your modulation left, so all the high frequency stuff you are looking for would be useless. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 19:52:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA01007; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:52:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:52:35 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36A92AC4.7724@tiac.net> References: <4f61399b.36a827f0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:52:57 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"cVjGJ2.0.eF.3UKgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8677 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: >> >> Dear ALL, >> >> The Return of the SMOT....You will find an interesting update in my web site >> about some new energy gain measurements and efficiency of the SMOT. >> For you don't know what is the SMOT, this is a very simple free energy >> demonstrator that anyone can build easily (all diagrams and pictures are >> posted in my web site (freely...)). The principle is very simple : a steel >> ball climbs a magnetic ramp, the magnetic energy is converted into >> kinetic/potential energy and the "regauging" effect is done by the gravity >> during the drop... >> >> If you are interested, I suggest you to see at : >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/smotnrgt.htm >> >> Best Regards and good week-end, >> >> Jean-Louis Naudin (France) > >Jean-Loius, > >During the popularity of the SMOT, an issue was raised concerning the >input energy. If you restrain the ball at the start of the ramp, while >it is already being effected by the magnets, then the energy input is >non-zero. > >Several people suggested elaborate gates and other devices to release >the ball without imparting any momentum to the ball, but this fails to >address the energy stored in the distrotion of the ramps magnetic field >by the ball itself. > >This is essentially the same thing as pre-loading a mechancial spring. > >Your calculations do not account for this energy, so you cannot claim >any true energy gain without accounting for this extra input energy. Correct, as I said in the beginning, it's a magnetic slingshot... Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 21:13:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA16338; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:12:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets Message-Id: <917068311.17212.693@excite.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:11:51 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"IV2OL2.0.9_3.DfLgs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8678 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:30 -0500 (EDT), Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > I have seen references to aluminum affecting magnetic fields, but does it do > what I want it too. Could someone please clarify this for me. >> It is the relative movement between a magnetic field and aluminum that establishes eddy currents in the non-magnetic aluminum that cause a field to oppose the movement of the magnet. This effect is easily shown using a neodiumium magnet and a bar of aluminum. From what I've read what seems to be surprising is that aluminum shows this effect better than copper which has a lower resistance/cross sectional area. HDN > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 23:07:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA05600; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:06:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:06:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990122224648.25df10bc@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:46:48 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Electromagnetic potentials: Math In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990122212534.0095d660@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HLD4k2.0.MN1.HKNgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8680 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Keith and all, At 09:28 PM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Well, to give a crude analogy, consider a pair of air >core copper inductors. Allow a mutual inductance to exist >between them. If I apply a steady state DC field (say >with an additional coil and a battery) to this transformer does this have >any effect on the induced current from primary to secondary? > >K. This would be like adding a constant to the potentials, yes I see that would make no difference in the transformer. The phi, A field in the different gauges are different by more than an additive constant, but I can see your point that one can change divergence(A), as long as curl(A) is left unchanged. Was wondering about the different apparent propagation times for the electric potential, phi, in the 2 gauges, as well as possible hints that the A is physical, not just curl(A) =B in a transformer. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 23:07:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA05567; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:06:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:06:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990122223229.25df10f6@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:32:29 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets In-Reply-To: <36AA4BA3.4D5B@mlb.planet.gen.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rp1F33.0.uM1.EKNgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8679 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stuart and all, At 02:22 PM 1/23/99 -0800, you wrote: >On my desk sit two, four inch diameter, three quarter inch thick, flat, >doughnut shaped magnets, locked firmly together in attraction. The SAME poles >are facing each other. The material in between, is simply a disk of quarter >inch thick iron. > >BUT, if both magnets are moved apart, and equally spaced from the intervening >disk, they will initially repel each other quite firmly. And as they are >slowly brought together, a magnetic 'neutral' point is clearly observed, >followed by an increasing force of ATTRACTION. > >SR Yes, one can also see this with an steel core (solenoid) electromagnet and a permanent magnet. If brought together so like poles face each other, there is initial repulsion. As they are brought closer together, the H of the permanent magnet cancels the amp-turns of the electromagnet in the steel, and closer it is stronger where there is then attraction. For a Neodym magnet, many 1000's of amp-turns in the electromagnet isn't enough to match it. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 23:27:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA12005; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:27:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:27:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990122231943.1f4705f0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:19:43 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor In-Reply-To: <003e01be45bc$e5155020$6e5cadd1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ag4Vm2.0.Ux2.GdNgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8681 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:08 PM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm still looking for information on the CFA and the CTHA on the net, but >I'm not having any luck tonight. I'll try again when I'm not so tired. > >The CTHA is not what you describe, however: > >> This is two side-by-side helicals.. one left hand, one right hand ... > >It's two helices wound on a torus. Sort of like a caduceus coil, only >continuous. They claim that it's omnidirectional with gain, if I remember >rightly. > >I'll post the references as soon as I find them. I found this: IAS works with "CIRA" at the U of West Va. So far, their site server has not responded. -Dave " IAS Communications, Inc. announced Monday it had received confirmation from Circuit Systems, Inc. for production of its Contrawound Toroidal Helical Antenna (CTHA), "pursuant to IAS Communications submitting purchase orders." The CTH antenna consists of two windings wrapped in opposite directions on a donut-shaped device. IAS Communications' web site says "the CTHAntenna is so effetive that it can transmit VHF signals over three times as far as conventional antenna operating at the same input power level." It also said the antenna requires only 1/60th the height of a normal antenna. Little detailed technical information is provided on the web site, but it does state the antenna is circularly polarized, omni-directional, and notes "Evidence points to the ability of the CTHAntenna's signal to actually ride the Earth's magnetic field near or just below the surface, allowing broadcasts to reach the far side of obstacles (such as mountains) that have traditionally hampered conventional antenna." Unfortunately, the web site doesn't describe how this propagation mode works. You can find out more about this interesting technology on the IAS Communications Web Site. Don't try accessing this site at less than 28kb - it is slow and includes a large amount of graphics. Be patient! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 22 23:57:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA18736; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:57:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:57:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990122235014.09bf07c4@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:50:14 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor In-Reply-To: References: <003e01be45bc$e5155020$6e5cadd1@default> <003e01be45bc$e5155020$6e5cadd1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_QXct.0.ca4.p3Ogs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8682 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:59 AM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: >>It's two helices wound on a torus. Sort of like a caduceus coil, only >>continuous. They claim that it's omnidirectional with gain, if I remember >>rightly. > >Perhaps you are looking for US Patent #4,204,212 "Conformal >Spiral Antenna"? Patent rights have been assigned to the US >Army. Don't recall it being a tours tho. > Or Corum's patent US 4622558, "Toroidal Antenna", which includes several conductive paths, including I believe contrawound, on a toroid. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 00:28:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA24629; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:27:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:27:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990123033609.0095d5f0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:36:12 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Electromagnetic potentials: Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IrplI.0.i06.BWOgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8683 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi phi has no propagation delay in the Coulomb gauge, but then this gauge assumes static conditions. Dynamic conditions being described by the Lorentz gauge, which is C limited. With General Relativity one might imagine a C varying gauge, appropriate to accellerating or rotational conditions. ??? The vector potential is really real. Really. Check out Aharonov & Bohm. Coherent electron interference generally being the means of detection. Also look for Akira Tonomura, he did work on electron holography @ Hitachi. K. At 10:46 PM 1/22/99, you wrote: >Hi Keith and all, >At 09:28 PM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>Well, to give a crude analogy, consider a pair of air >>core copper inductors. Allow a mutual inductance to exist >>between them. If I apply a steady state DC field (say >>with an additional coil and a battery) to this transformer does this have >>any effect on the induced current from primary to secondary? >> >>K. >This would be like adding a constant to the potentials, yes I see that >would make no difference in the transformer. The phi, A field in the >different gauges are different by more than an additive constant, but I can >see your point that one can change divergence(A), as long as curl(A) is >left unchanged. >Was wondering about the different apparent propagation times for the >electric potential, phi, in the 2 gauges, as well as possible hints that >the A is physical, not just curl(A) =B in a transformer. >-Dave > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 00:37:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA27719; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:37:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:37:20 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:36:36 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: bshannon@tiac.net, richarda@icx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 141 Resent-Message-ID: <"QuCrg1.0.qm6.zeOgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8684 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 23/01/99 00:22:30 bshannon@tiac.net wrote : > >This is essentially the same thing as pre-loading a mechancial spring. > > > >Your calculations do not account for this energy, so you cannot claim > >any true energy gain without accounting for this extra input energy. > On 23/01/99 04:54:25 Paris, Madrid, richarda@icx.net wrote : > Correct, as I said in the beginning, it's a magnetic slingshot... > Dear Bob and Richard, Unfortunately, I don't agree with you, the SMOT is NOT a magnetic slingshot contrary to the Bedini's magnetic gate or the Tomi. In the SMOT the only energy spent to set the ball at the entrance of the ball, is the initial potential energy of the 16g steel ball (4.865mJ at 31mm above the ground base). This is a steel ball, NOT a magnet (like the magnetic gate or Tomi) so, this ball is always attracted through the magnetic potential. As you can notice in my drawing ( http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/images/smtstdia.gif ), you have all the energy states values (calculated/measured). 1) At the entrance of the ramp : - the calculated potential energy of the steel ball is : 0.016 * 9.81 * 31 = 4.865mJ - the drop of the ball through the glass tube from this point, give : 3.186mJ So, the mechanical losses (friction and hit) is = 4.865 - 3.186 = 1.679 mJ ( 34.51% ) 2) At the exit of the ramp (after the ball run through the SMOT) : - the calculated potential energy of the steel ball is : 0.016 * 9.81 * 35 = 5.494 mJ - the drop of the ball through the glass tube from this point, give : 3.610mJ So, the mechanical losses (friction and hit) is = 5.494 - 3.610 = 1.884 mJ ( 34.29% ) This give a measured efficiency : Eff% = ( 3.610 / 3.186) * 100 = 113.3 % The measured efficiency of my SMOT is 113.3%... BUT the mechanical losses AFTER the drop of the ball is about 34%... So this explain why the closed loop is not yet obtained. So this is not due to the principle of the device, but only due to the actual means used for catching the output energy ( the glass tube ). This is only a mechanical design problem... The way is now (again) opened. Full test report of the SMOT at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/smotnrgt.htm Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 02:14:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA11427; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:13:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:13:59 -0800 From: mksboysal@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: join the discussion in free energy research To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <01J6V9VE4OME9BYINL@delphi.com> X-Mailer: Delphi Mailing System X-DelphiMid: NB4355924 Resent-Message-ID: <"R4kv83.0.So2.d3Qgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8685 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear : Dear friends: I've created a web community called free energy research. There few of us that will find this place very useful, I created 10 Message Board Topics, bulletining boards where you can put up a message under the any topic. Also you can upload a pic (attach a file a project that you might be working you wish to share with others). free people with free energy "Free Energy Research" All are welcome who are Interested in researchers experiments of free energy machines to chat Chat! Sat Jan 23 8-11pm ET Also if you have special interest, drop me line. I can also make pass word protected Message Board Topics that only those who will have a pass word can enter into specific message boards. One thing I don't like it but there is nothing that I can do about it. Which is you have to register a name and a pass word (only once of course) to use this service? Sorry I can't do anything about it. And hopefully your browser will remember all this name and pass word, which mine does Netscape and is much easier to use it. To join our discussion, simply go to http://forums.delphi.com/m/main.asp?sigdir=free_energy&isp=if&pic=in-MERCURY61571 If you've never used Delphi before you'll need to go through a quick registration (so you can post messages). It only takes a minute and it's free! Hope to see you there, Mercury 6 mksboysal@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 02:45:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA15729; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:44:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:44:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:44:48 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Lots More Torsion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hLkDz1.0.Wr3.cWQgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8686 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: New additions: reviews of torsion: papers by Yu.V.Nachalov links to A.A. Shpilman's torsion device pages See: http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/ ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 08:04:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA19607; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:03:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:03:45 -0800 Message-ID: <36A9F1F2.726E3FE2@wirehub.nl> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:59:46 +0100 From: "DONDERVOGEL!!!!" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, avd@wirehub.nl Subject: Re: vortex voltage References: <002b01be40d8$644f8840$ea378ed1@thomas> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------93B5DB487D090C93518FEC37" Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZQTn1.0.Bo4.WBVgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8687 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------93B5DB487D090C93518FEC37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas wrote: > The following is from a book called "Secrets of the Soil: New Age > Solutions for Restoring Our Planet," by Peter Tompkins and Christopher > Bird. It's about Pat Flanagan measuring a high voltage in a vortex of > water. This might have implications for application of electricity > and power generation. > > "When the velocity of a vortex increases, the diameter of its > throat gets smaller. In a perfect vortex, as the diameter approaches > zero, the velocity approaches infinity. Because infinite velocity in > the physical universe is impossible, something has to give. In the > case of water, its molecules begin to dissociate into vapor, releasing > electric charge. And here comes the first clue to what could be so > mysteriously charging the Steinerian BD 500 with electric energy. > > "What happens, Flanagan explained, is that the hydrogen bonds of > water molecules subjected to such stress are stretched like rubber > bands; at which point they absorb planetary forces, which, as the > molecule snaps back into shape are retained and energize the molecule. > This goes a long way toward explaining Steiner's and Kolisko's > planetary forces energizing the BD preps. > > "To find out just how much charge is generated by a vortex four > inches in diameter, Flanagan lowered a thin specially shielded wire > electrode into the center of its vortical throat, being careful not to > allow the wire to touch the water. By means of another electrode > touching the water he was able, when the vortex was moving at > approximately one thousand revolutions per minute, to record a charge > of more than ten thousand volts emitted from its swirling water: quite > a boost from the cosmos." --------------93B5DB487D090C93518FEC37 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Thomas wrote:

 The following is from a book called "Secrets of the Soil: New Age Solutions for Restoring Our Planet," by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird.  It's about Pat Flanagan measuring a high voltage in a vortex of water.  This might have implications for application of electricity and power generation.

    "When the velocity of a vortex increases, the diameter of its throat gets smaller. In a perfect vortex, as the diameter approaches zero, the velocity approaches infinity. Because infinite velocity in the physical universe is impossible, something has to give. In the case of water, its molecules begin to dissociate into vapor, releasing electric charge. And here comes the first clue to what could be so mysteriously charging the Steinerian BD 500 with electric energy.

    "What happens, Flanagan explained, is that the hydrogen bonds of water molecules subjected to such stress are stretched like rubber bands; at which point they absorb planetary forces, which, as the molecule snaps back into shape are retained and energize the molecule. This goes a long way toward explaining Steiner's and Kolisko's planetary forces energizing the BD preps.

    "To find out just how much charge is generated by a vortex four inches in diameter, Flanagan lowered a thin specially shielded wire electrode into the center of its vortical throat, being careful not to allow the wire to touch the water. By means of another electrode touching the water he was able, when the vortex was moving at approximately one thousand revolutions per minute, to record a charge of more than ten thousand volts emitted from its swirling water: quite a boost from the cosmos."

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(Marconi's patent) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:10:03 +0100 Message-ID: <01be46ea$d5a674a0$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0171_01BE46F3.376ADCA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xe-ea2.0.9W5.2MVgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8688 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01BE46F3.376ADCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Harvey Norris A: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Data: martedě 19 gennaio 1999 9.11 Oggetto: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. >Going a bit further into this is the fact that if a magnet is placed inside >a coil both actions and their relationship in space can be shown. It is NOT >exactly the flux change of the magnet in rotation that dictates when >amperage is produced in the coil, but rather the RATE of flux change.Thus Hi List... About the alternating magnetic field crossed with an electrical field, may be interesting to confront it with the Marconi's 'magnetic receiver with rotating magnet' used in 1902 and patented on 1902 June 25 in London with N.10245 and defined "Magnetic detector of elecrical waves, which can be employed as receiver for space telegraphy, by G. Marconi M.I.E.E" It was experimented aboard the ship R.N Carlo Alberto in august 1902 between Ferrol and Poldhu. In attachment there are 2 schematics of it. In 'marconi1.jpg' can be shown a fixed horseshoe magnet and a movable coil. In 'marconi2.jpg' can be shown a fixed coil and a rotating magnet. 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X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8690 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -- ... bill ... ... ... you have very nicely expressed what everybody can understand to be true ... ... ... unfortunately, such a perfect magnetic field insulator is no where to be found ... ... ... it might help to visualize a permanet magnet field as a super conductor, the exact magnetic reciprocal of an equivalent electrical super- conductor circuit ... ... ... north to north or south to south, you will have an impressive hands-on demonstration with your neos ... ... ... i suggest you try to determine if such neos posesses a natural magnetic resonant frequency... ... ... if so, you might expect to accomplish what you describe by resonating a relatively weak tunable oscilator in the form of a small, flat, watch- spring-like coil suspended between identical poles of identical neos ... ... ... that is, match the natural magnetic frequency of the neos with a tuned circuit ... ... ... a mere 100 watts can control dozens of massive 20 ton trucks when the 100 watts is in the form of a traffic light ... ... ... panta rhei ... ... ... bob ... ... On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:30 Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: >All, > >We have all seen many instances of a magnet floating above another, without >any outside energy being input, work is being accomplished. There has to be >a way to harness this. > >Dumb question time. We have magnetically attracted materials such as iron, >and magnetically repulsed materials such as another magnet of the same >polarity. We also have magnetically transparent materials like paper & >glass. > >Do we also have magnetically shielding material such that when passed >between two magnets with the same poles pointed at each other they stop >repulsing each other. Conversely if the two magnets have opposite poles >pointed at each other this material would then act to eliminate the >attraction to each other. > >Also it would be beneficial if the magnets would not impart any resistance >to having this material passed between them. > >Could we not then put together a device that would have a fixed magnet on >the bottom with say north pointing up, and another magnet above it with >north pointing down. You would want the upper magnet to be fixed from >moving left/right and forward/backward, but free to move up and down. Also >you would want to maintain a certain distance between them so that you can >pass this material in between. > >When this shielding material is not between them the upper floating magnet >moves up. When the material is slid between them, the repulsion disappears, >gravity takes over and the upper magnet moves down. You should then be able >to harness the bobbing up & down of the floating magnet to do useful work. > >I have seen references to aluminum affecting magnetic fields, but does it do >what I want it too. Could someone please clarify this for me. > >I have some neodymium magnets on order and I would like to start testing >various materials. Has this already been tried? Is there a reference table >somewhere of different materials and how they interact with magnetic fields? > >Working with computers, hardware & software, I feel more like a mechanic >than an electronics technician. My electronics training from twenty some >years ago has mostly atrophied. > >Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated? > >Bill >webriggs@concentric.net > > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 20:12:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA09387; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:11:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:11:47 -0800 Message-ID: <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:56:39 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, richarda@icx.net Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4r5mQ3.0.aI2.1sfgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8691 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Dear Bob and Richard, > > Unfortunately, I don't agree with you, the SMOT is NOT a magnetic slingshot > contrary to the Bedini's magnetic gate or the Tomi. In the SMOT the only > energy spent to set the ball at the entrance of the ball, is the initial > potential energy of the 16g steel ball (4.865mJ at 31mm above the ground > base). This is a steel ball, NOT a magnet (like the magnetic gate or Tomi) so, > this ball is always attracted through the magnetic potential. As you can > notice in my drawing ( > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/images/smtstdia.gif ), you > have all the energy states values (calculated/measured). When you move that ball into place at the entrance, it is being attracted by the ramps magnetic field just as you state. But by placing the ball there, you have done work, and changed the distribution of energy in the system. If you had not, the ball would not be being attracted by the ramp! Why is it correct to discount this external energy input? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 21:33:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02672; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:33:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:33:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990123212031.105f2444@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:20:31 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Curl free A (Re: Electromagnetic potentials) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990123033609.0095d5f0@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SRb7o1.0.bf.T2hgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8692 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Keith and all, At 03:36 AM 1/23/99 -0500, Keith wrote: >phi has no propagation delay in the Coulomb gauge, >but then this gauge assumes static conditions. >Dynamic conditions being described by the >Lorentz gauge, which is C limited. >With General Relativity one might imagine a C varying gauge, >appropriate to accellerating or rotational conditions. >??? I had never seen an assumption of the Coulomb gauge = static conditions. That would explain some things. > >The vector potential is really real. Really. >Check out Aharonov & Bohm. Coherent electron interference >generally being the means of detection. Also look >for Akira Tonomura, he did work on electron holography >@ Hitachi. > Yes, I think it could also show itself (on a larger scale) in a transformer with a magnetically shielded secondary. My problem is I don't see how both of the following can be true: 1) Divergence of A is arbitrary (only a mathematical construct), so it could be set to different values in different gauges. "Doesn't have an effect on anything physical" Or, 2) Divergence of A has a real physical effect. For example, the Aharonov & Bohm effect, Gelinas(*), etc. (With no B field, the curl(A)=0). Also, as I mentioned, any transformer? If so, it isn't arbitrary. (*) US Pat. 4,447,779 >>At 09:28 PM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Was wondering about the different apparent propagation times for the >>electric potential, phi, in the 2 gauges, as well as possible hints that >>the A is physical, not just curl(A) =B in a transformer. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 22:00:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA10547; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:00:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:00:03 -0800 Message-ID: <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:00:12 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4Djg53.0.aa2.XRhgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8693 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Dear Bob and Richard, > > > > Unfortunately, I don't agree with you, the SMOT is NOT a magnetic slingshot > > contrary to the Bedini's magnetic gate or the Tomi. In the SMOT the only > > energy spent to set the ball at the entrance of the ball, is the initial > > potential energy of the 16g steel ball (4.865mJ at 31mm above the ground > > base). This is a steel ball, NOT a magnet (like the magnetic gate or Tomi) so, > > this ball is always attracted through the magnetic potential. As you can > > notice in my drawing ( > > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/images/smtstdia.gif ), you > > have all the energy states values (calculated/measured). > > When you move that ball into place at the entrance, it is being > attracted by > the ramps magnetic field just as you state. > > But by placing the ball there, you have done work, and changed the > distribution of energy in the system. If you had not, the ball would > not be being attracted by the ramp! > > Why is it correct to discount this external energy input? Wrong, YOU have not done any work. You have acted as the resistive force, the load. The ball has however done a small amount of work unless the attraction starts just there. As long as the ball bearing did not start stuck to the magnet (in which case you would have to do work to remove it) then you don't put any work into the system (assuming the ball bearing leaves the magnetic field at the end, does a roll away) So the only cases where you may put in work is if the ball bearing does not quite leave the magnetic field at the end. (no roll away) Or if the ball ends up lower than it started (closer to the ground) Or if you input kinetic energy at the start, however it is well know that it is let go of and not pushed. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 22:46:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA24807; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:46:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:46:15 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Meyer's Speculation Message-Id: <917160352.11990.291@excite.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:45:52 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"mpQVi3.0.R36.s6igs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8694 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The laws of AC resonance are well known; but what is seldom mentioned is the effect of DC resonance. In a heavy induction coil an arc forms across a break in the circuit. This induction arc can exhibit a lot of power and stretch quite a distance across an arc gap. Now DC power supplies have a capacity placed across the outputs to smooth out the 60 hz signal,which is actually 120 dc pulses/sec. If we are wanting to make a method of creating Browns gas we obviously want to pulse the dc, so this filter should be as small as possible.In fact an inductor could be used to limit the current through a Browns gas electrolysizor, instead of a capacitance which is the design used by the world leader in the field, George Wiseman. Now while it definitely is going to be more costly to use the inductive method, it also is a means to harness this dc resonance. This is then done simply by choosing a capacitance that will resonate with the inductance as if it were a 120 hz. ac signal, which it is not, it is a 120 dc pulse/sec signal but nevertheless this combination entirely changes the induction arc and seems to give it a laser like quality of penetration. Now where the Meyer consideration comes in is here. Instead of the capacitive filter being in place the ACTUAL electrolysizor itself could serve as that same value of CAPACITY. This means that only a certain size inductor can correspond to the design of any water capacitor, unless of course other than 60 hz is used as a source input for rectification. Now I understand that none of the Meyer material on the net conveys this reasoning, but thats the idea his process gave to me. He does refer to the idea of a resonant choke circuit in some patent material. In fact when I first found out about the Meyer process I thought to myself "Well this is good,I'm not crazy after all and someone else has seen the possibility of employing principles of electrical resonance to increase the efficiency of electrolysis. About a week later I read that he had died. In summary consider the following; the capacitive limiting used by Wiseman to limit the current into the electrolysizor will provide no resonant rise of voltage that might be available by using a capacitor AND inductor designed to resonate with the input frequency. All of the above is only a suggestion and as a matter of fact not something I plan to immediately build because I think there are even better ways of appoaching this problem using the rectification system across the midpoints of the binary resonant system. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 23 23:21:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA32294; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:21:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:21:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Strategies for Dissenting Scientists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gLW7f2.0.Uu7.idigs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8695 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: An *excellent* new paper, just added to the SSE website: Strategies for Dissenting Scientists http://www.jse.com/martin/1.html Strategies for Dissenting Scientists Brian Martin University of Wollongong, NSW 2522, Australia brian_martin@uow.edu.au, http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/ Abstract Those who challenge conventional views or vested interests in science are likely to encounter difficulties. A scientific dissenter should first realize that science is a system of power as well as of knowledge, in which interest groups play a key role and insiders have an extra advantage. Dissenters are likely to be ignored or dismissed. If dissenters gain some recognition or outside support, they may be attacked. In the face of such obstacles, several strategies are available, which include mimicking science, aiming at lower status outlets, enlisting patrons, seeking a different audience, exposing suppression of dissent, and building a social movement. Introduction Science is normally presented to the public as an enterprise based on skepticism and openness to new ideas, in which evidence and argumentation are examined on their own merits. Trusting newcomers who present views that conflict with conventional ideas may thus expect that their work will be given a prompt, fair, and incisive analysis, being accepted if it passes scrutiny and being given detailed reasons if not. When, instead, their work is ignored, ridiculed, or rejected without explanation, they assume that there has been some sort of mistake, and often begin a search to find the "right person" --someone who fits the stereotype of the open-minded scientist. This can be a long search! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 07:18:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA17117; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 07:18:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 07:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <36AB6064.7139@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:03:16 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1z0oP1.0.JB4.vcpgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8696 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > > But by placing the ball there, you have done work, and changed the > > distribution of energy in the system. If you had not, the ball would > > not be being attracted by the ramp! > > > > Why is it correct to discount this external energy input? > > Wrong, YOU have not done any work. > You have acted as the resistive force, the load. Can you please explain this in a bit more detail? > The ball has however done a small amount of work unless the attraction starts just > there. I disagree. You did indeed do work to move the ball to the starting point. Unless you are measuring a 'roll-around' case where the ball remains in motion, this 'set-up' energy is real energy being put into the system. By assuming that the total energy of the ball is only its potential energy (while it is being attracted by the ramp, at its starting condition) is incorrect, unless the ball returns to exactly that same state at the end of the run. > As long as the ball bearing did not start stuck to the magnet (in which case you > would have to do work to remove it) then you don't put any work into the system > (assuming the ball bearing leaves the magnetic field at the end, does a roll away) Then how did the ball get there in the first place? Clearly work has been done here, and its not being accounted for in the calculations. Unless of course we are talking about a closed loop mode of operation, then any pre-loading of the system is irrelevent so long as it remains in perpetual operation. > So the only cases where you may put in work is if the ball bearing does not quite > leave the magnetic field at the end. (no roll away) You simply have to have done work to put the ball in place at the start of the ramp. > Or if the ball ends up lower than it started (closer to the ground) > Or if you input kinetic energy at the start, however it is well know that it is let > go of and not pushed. Your missing an important point here. The start-up energy I am describing need not be a mechancial 'push' at all. If I place the ball at the start of the ramp, its being attracted by the ramps magentic field. In fact, I have to restrain the ball if I want the test run to begin at a specific time. By placing the ball in the ramps magnetic field, we distrot the magnetic field of the ramp, due to the magnetic attraction between ball and ramp. This distortion of the ramps magnetic field IS exactly the same thing as pre-loading a mechancial spring. As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting point by an external source of energy for each and every run. This energy is not being accounted for by Jean-Louis. This is an important error! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 08:00:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA27639; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:00:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:00:35 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:59:10 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor inside a magnetic flux. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"9Dsph2.0.ml6.YEqgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8697 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message , John Schnurer writes > > > See note... question... > > > >On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Keith Nagel wrote: > >> At 07:27 PM 1/20/99 +0000, you wrote: >> > > > ******>Yep The CFA is still around. Supposedly there's a MW > broadcasting > > > Uses one WHAT ??? And what is CFA? > CFA is a Crossed-field antenna. Do a web search and you should find the first half of an article about them on an antenna web page (I've forgotten the URL) Basically the idea is to directly synthesise the Poynting vector from separate electric and magnetic fields. The company who are promoting the concept are Hately Antenna Systems here in the UK. (I might have spelt the name wrong) Bye, -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 08:15:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA01421; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:15:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:15:14 -0800 Message-ID: <00a001be47b2$e5e69fc0$a6e288d0@paul> From: "Paul Delisle" To: Subject: Re: Meyer's Speculation Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:01:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Jh4g2.0.1M.HSqgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8698 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Harvey Norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 12:47 AM Subject: Meyer's Speculation >The laws of AC resonance are well known; but what is seldom mentioned is the >effect > of DC resonance. In a heavy induction coil an arc forms across a break >in the circuit. > This induction arc can exhibit a lot of power and stretch quite a >distance across an arc > gap. Now DC power supplies have a capacity placed across the outputs >to smooth out > the 60 hz signal,which is actually 120 dc pulses/sec. If we are >wanting to make a > method of creating Browns gas we obviously want to pulse the dc, so >this filter should > be as small as possible.In fact an inductor could be used to limit the >current through a > Browns gas electrolysizor, instead of a capacitance which is the >design used by the > world leader in the field, George Wiseman. Now while it definitely is >going to be more > costly to use the inductive method, it also is a means to harness this >dc resonance. This > is then done simply by choosing a capacitance that will resonate with >the inductance as > if it were a 120 hz. ac signal, which it is not, it is a 120 dc >pulse/sec signal but > nevertheless this combination entirely changes the induction arc and >seems to give it a > laser like quality of penetration. Now where the Meyer consideration >comes in is here. > Instead of the capacitive filter being in place the ACTUAL >electrolysizor itself could > serve as that same value of CAPACITY. This means that only a certain >size inductor > can correspond to the design of any water capacitor, unless of course >other than 60 hz > is used as a source input for rectification. > Now I understand that none of the Meyer material on the net conveys >this reasoning, > but thats the idea his process gave to me. He does refer to the idea >of a resonant choke > circuit in some patent material. In fact when I first found out about >the Meyer process I > thought to myself "Well this is good,I'm not crazy after all and >someone else has seen > the possibility of employing principles of electrical resonance to >increase the efficiency > of electrolysis. About a week later I read that he had died. In >summary consider the > following; the capacitive limiting used by Wiseman to limit the >current into the > electrolysizor will provide no resonant rise of voltage that might be >available by using a > capacitor AND inductor designed to resonate with the input frequency. >All of the > above is only a suggestion and as a matter of fact not something I >plan to immediately > build because I think there are even better ways of appoaching this >problem using the > rectification system across the midpoints of the binary resonant >system. HDN > Harvey, Are you familiar with Puharich patent on water electrolysis? He used frequencies to resonate the water for more efficient eletrolysis. His patent contains a lot of good information. He shows in his patent how the theoretical efficiency of eletrolysis is 120%. I found this hard to believe but I have been told by a few people that his is correct. He then goes on to show that his devices reaches an efficiency of 110%. I don't know if you have heard of Puharich before but he was a great scientist. He studied Tesla extensively and did a lot of research on ELF and their effects on humans. The patent number is 4,394,230. Let me know if you are interested, I'll be happy to send you a copy by email. Paul From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 08:53:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA10825; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:52:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: <36AB4FED.FFBF098A@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:53:02 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AB6064.7139@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tK2eg1.0.1f2.a_qgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8699 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > Your missing an important point here. > > The start-up energy I am describing need not be a mechancial 'push' at > all. > > If I place the ball at the start of the ramp, its being attracted by the > ramps magentic field. In fact, I have to restrain the ball if I want > the test run to begin at a specific time. By placing the ball in the > ramps magnetic field, we distrot the magnetic field of the ramp, due to > the magnetic attraction between ball and ramp. > > This distortion of the ramps magnetic field IS exactly the same thing as > pre-loading a mechancial spring. > > As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting point by an external > source of energy for each and every run. This energy is not being > accounted for by Jean-Louis. > > This is an important error! I said that it must be out of the field, If at the end it does not have at least as much potential energy both magnetically and gravitationally (is no further in the field than the starting point) then your arguement is worthless, As I understand it the ball is further out of the field than when it started (which it must if it rolls far enough out of the field not to be pulled back) It does not matter if it is closed loop or not, just that the magnetic and gravitational potential energy is atleast as great at the end that it is at the start. If however the ball ends up lower than it started, or more in the field of the magnet then it of course it is not clearly displaying OU results (unless the messy case of measuring the energy lost by the system... ughh proves it to be OU) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 09:08:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA16879; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:08:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:08:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990124121625.00dfebe0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:16:27 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Curl free A (Re: Electromagnetic potentials) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GR4p8.0.e74.tDrgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8700 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:20 PM 1/23/99, you wrote: >Yes, I think it could also show itself (on a larger scale) in a transformer >with a magnetically shielded secondary. >My problem is I don't see how both of the following can be true: >1) Divergence of A is arbitrary (only a mathematical construct), so it >could be >set to different values in different gauges. "Doesn't have an effect on >anything physical" >Or, >2) Divergence of A has a real physical effect. For example, the Aharonov & >Bohm effect, Gelinas(*), etc. (With no B field, the curl(A)=0). Also, as I >mentioned, any transformer? If so, it isn't arbitrary. > >(*) US Pat. 4,447,779 & 4429280,4429288,4432098,4605897,4491795. Choice of gauge as follows. Coulomb : divergence of A = 0 Lorentz : divergence of A = -mu*epsilon*partial deriviative of phi with respect to time. Other choices are possible, most textbooks only cover these two (Church of England...) Perhaps this would be a good thing to research; I've no references to different gauge choices other than the knowledge that they exist. I remember when Gelinas was stumping for josephson junction detectors; he published in the International Tesla Society (back in the early 80's when actual scientists contributed to it) It would be great if someone could get in touch with him. I'm unsure where it all ended up. Likely the difficulty of making any sort of velocity measurement made things drift off. Your comment about magnetically shielded transformer, please elaborate? K. > >>>At 09:28 PM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>>Was wondering about the different apparent propagation times for the >>>electric potential, phi, in the 2 gauges, as well as possible hints that >>>the A is physical, not just curl(A) =B in a transformer. >-Dave > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 09:29:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA09818; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:28:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990124123621.00e03140@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:36:23 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Meyer's Speculation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WCW1U2.0.GP2.6Xrgs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8701 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Meat. Some comments about electrochemical systems. If you look at the circuit properties of an electrochemical water splitting cell; you will find that below the breakdown potential of the cell (typicaly ~1.2V) the thing will look capacitive. Above, and it will look resistive. Capacities are HUGE, around the neigborhood of 10 microfarads per square cm (yes I did get the units right). This is the secret behind the bilayer "Supercaps", you know the kind rated for about 5-10 volts and Farads of capacity? They are electrochemical capacitors. A third regime is possible, if you supply enough current after the first breakdown (electrolysis) a second breakdown will occur. This has been recently touted as a means to achieve cold fusion. Certainly, some very intense effects are seen here. All kinds of neat sparking at the cathode; melting and vaporization is common. This sparking would tend to generate RF, frequency depending on the physical shape of the electrodes etc... For what its worth, I met Meyers several years back at the ITS. He was hawking his water powered car. The usual suspects were invoked (God, the conspiracy, Arabs, etc) and the usual pitch for money. To say I was underwhelmed overstates the situation. Having said this, I heartily encourage you to study this. Lots of good physics here, electrochemistry has been a fascination of mine since I was a child. Just avoid the linkage to Meyer, you're taking on some immense baggage with that. He took a lot of money from people, and produced no working device. Sounds like someone else I know out in Phoenix :^) K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 12:48:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA19557; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:48:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: <36AB871A.6D9E9D6D@York.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:48:26 +0000 From: Adam Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Meyer's Speculation References: <3.0.32.19990124123621.00e03140@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FNSJS1.0.Qn4.ZSugs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8702 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE E_MAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!THANKYOU!!!!!!! Keith Nagel wrote: > > Hi Meat. > > Some comments about electrochemical systems. > > If you look at the circuit properties of an electrochemical > water splitting cell; you will find that below the > breakdown potential of the cell (typicaly ~1.2V) the > thing will look capacitive. Above, and it will look > resistive. Capacities are HUGE, around the neigborhood > of 10 microfarads per square cm (yes I did get the units > right). This is the secret behind the bilayer "Supercaps", > you know the kind rated for about 5-10 volts and Farads of > capacity? They are electrochemical capacitors. > > A third regime is possible, if you supply enough current > after the first breakdown (electrolysis) a second > breakdown will occur. This has been recently touted as > a means to achieve cold fusion. Certainly, some very > intense effects are seen here. All kinds of neat sparking > at the cathode; melting and vaporization is common. > This sparking would tend to generate RF, frequency depending > on the physical shape of the electrodes etc... > > For what its worth, I met Meyers several years back > at the ITS. He was hawking his water powered car. The > usual suspects were invoked (God, the conspiracy, Arabs, > etc) and the usual pitch for money. To say I was underwhelmed > overstates the situation. > > Having said this, I heartily encourage you to study this. > Lots of good physics here, electrochemistry has been a > fascination of mine since I was a child. Just avoid the > linkage to Meyer, you're taking on some immense baggage > with that. He took a lot of money from people, and > produced no working device. Sounds like someone else > I know out in Phoenix :^) > > K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 13:28:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01136; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:28:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:28:16 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <3a7774ce.36ab8ff9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:26:17 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"T7ZVJ.0.fH.l1vgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8703 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-21 17:29:37 EST, you write: > Some fighter jets utilize a platinum cat converter to scavenge >hydrogen just before the combustion stage. It makes for better fuel >effeciency. The converter runs off engine heat, so it's a plus. This got by me somewhat. You said the cat runs off of enginge heat; I referenced a cat that gives off heat. You mentioned scavenging H; I referenced oxidizing it on contact w/the catalyst. Can you strainghten me out, here? Tx. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 13:28:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01229; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:28:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:28:30 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:26:22 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Alternative horticulture--SPIRULINA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"6Uv333.0.3J.-1vgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8704 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-22 15:13:13 EST, you write: > some of the woork includes but is not limited to: > > non chemical pest conntrol and plant control > true organic methoods > propagation methods > methods for alltering growth of plannts. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 13:29:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01473; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:29:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:29:22 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <20670dce.36ab8ff7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:26:15 EST To: b25b@LCIA.COM Cc: donadams@telusplanet.net, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, "Dennis C. Lee" , grstewar@tva.gov, "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , Terri Schoolden , lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, Robin van Spaandonk , trknute@earthlink.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, dwenbert@spacey.net, John Schnurer , oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, Mattias , Quinney Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"KE-7k1.0.vM.o2vgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8705 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-21 20:18:29 EST, you write: > There is a firm in Miami that makes caps for storage batteries > that use a platinum catalyst to convert the gas from a charging >battery back to water. I believe the name is Hydro-cap. I believe > this is all they make. I haven't been in touch with them for years. > Ron Brennen > back to water so that you don't need to add water Thanks, indeed! Perhaps they--or someone else--broadened the technology's applicability. My info is that the water-producing reaction is also exothermic, and has been optimized to make an alternative, H-powered heating method. This might be more efficient than rapid H oxidation via flame, which over-produces potentially destructive heat concentration, necessitating additional energy input (like fan-forcing) to dissipate that energy excess. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 14:57:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA32542; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:56:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: <36ABCBE1.45A9@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:41:53 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AB6064.7139@tiac.net> <36AB4FED.FFBF098A@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4eKx31.0.My7.tKwgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8706 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > I said that it must be out of the field, If at the end it does not have at least as much > potential energy both magnetically and gravitationally (is no further in the field than > the starting point) then your arguement is worthless, As I understand it the ball is > further out of the field than when it started (which it must if it rolls far enough out > of the field not to be pulled back) The ball is started 'in the field'. The ball is being attracted by the weaker field at the start of the ramp prior to its release, where is climbs the ramp. If the start point of the ball is outside the ramps field, it would not be attracted, and drawn up the ramp. > It does not matter if it is closed loop or not, just that the magnetic and gravitational > potential energy is atleast as great at the end that it is at the start. See above. If magnetic field 'pre-loading' is a possible issue, then closed loop operation can address this question. > If however the ball ends up lower than it started, or more in the field of the magnet > then it of course it is not clearly displaying OU results (unless the messy case of > measuring the energy lost by the system... ughh proves it to be OU) Depending on the total input energy of course. This is where the question of 'pre-loading' enters the picture. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 15:05:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA03276; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:05:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: <36AB3745.E6BB53EE@jps.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:09:20 +0000 From: Thomas Smyth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Batteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1WF4i.0.5p.TSwgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8707 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear folks, I saw a Urine battery at an invention convention about 5 years ago. As I searched the Internet for this device, it gave me your address. If you do know anything about where I can learn more about it, I would be very appreciative! Thank you very much. Thomas Smyth <}: From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 15:08:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06269; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:08:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:08:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199901242308.RAA11406@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:07:51 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2jfrE.0.lX1.tVwgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8708 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Russ, Don't know much, just what I read in a tech mag. The free hyd adds to better fuel burning than it would without the cat. I read this maybe 10 years ago while doing some research for a company in aviation. There might be some data on the P&W web page. Let me know what you find out. ......Joe =========================== ---------- > From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Black Light Power energy cell > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 3:26 PM > > In a message dated 99-01-21 17:29:37 EST, you write: > > > Some fighter jets utilize a platinum cat converter to scavenge > >hydrogen just before the combustion stage. It makes for better fuel > >effeciency. The converter runs off engine heat, so it's a plus. > > This got by me somewhat. You said the cat runs off of enginge heat; I > referenced a cat that gives off heat. You mentioned scavenging H; I > referenced oxidizing it on contact w/the catalyst. Can you strainghten me > out, here? Tx. > > --Russ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 15:10:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA07368; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:10:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:10:19 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Meyer's Speculation Message-Id: <917219393.9592.806@excite.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:09:53 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rZtLV3.0.1p1.RXwgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8709 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob,Keith and Paul Thanks for the responses. Paul please send me the Puharich patent Again thanks for the usefull info Keith N. Bob P; please note my next entree under "Singing Arc" which was submitted some time ago on freenrg-l. It should show better understanding as to what I am describing. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 15:54:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA20575; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:24 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Singing Arc Message-Id: <917222042.7236.552@excite.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:02 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"hw0c12.0.O15.mAxgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8710 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In conjunction with the idea of a pulsed dc resonant effect being possible I am resubmitting the following entree made sometime last summer under the entree Singing Arc. Years ago I investigated what we call induction arcing. This is when the voltage at a break in a dc current to a large inductor rises so that it enables an arc to form. A lot of energy seems to be concentrated in that arc so at the time ( early 90's) I thought there might be a free energy effect. After all I was melting metal with 150 watts input. In the study of the power supply{ Note Bob P: I only used a homemade version of full wave rectification using 4 diodes and the term "power supply" was loosely applied) it was noticed that a higher capacitance placed in parallel with the pulsed DC from the rectification system would yield both higher voltage and better arcing. Normally I used about 10 microfarad for the filter. This was for a 56 Henry air core inductor. Then it occurred to me to try an extremely low value that could resonate with the 120 pulse/sec{so that the pulses could act like an AC analogy} This value turned out to be hundreds of times lower{ as determined by equation Res freq=1/2(3.14)(sq.rt LC)} about .03 microfarad. The induction arc then took on an amazing penetrating laser like action. { I am convinced this method does raise voltage across the induction arc far more as a perfectly timed pulse than other capacitive values} One day while playing with this the whole garage started resonating with a high pitched sound! This was the strangest experience, the sound seemed so all engulfing as if the whole garage were vibrating. Chalk this up as an analomous experience, as we were never again able to reproduce this effect again. ... ect. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:04:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13963; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:04:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:04:15 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:02:49 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"a-cIQ2.0.3Q3.kyzgs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8711 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob - > But by placing the ball there, you have done > work, and changed the distribution of energy in > the system. If you had not, the ball would not be > being attracted by the ramp! > > Why is it correct to discount this external energy > input? Bob, you've still got it backwards! The force you work against when moving the ball close to the start point is in the direction *opposite* to that which would *add* energy as you suggest. Take a close look at the vectors. The "work" you talk about here is the same kind of "work" you do when you hold a weight in your hand and lower it slowly. It's exercise for sure and burns calories, but the potential energy in the weight (and that's what we're talking about here) is being reduced as you lower the weight, or move the ball nearer the start gate in a SMOT. The further out the ball is, the higher the potential energy is at the start. You handicap the ball's energy when you start it closer to the gate, not add to it. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:14:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA17689; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:14:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:14:31 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <36A92AC4.7724@tiac.net> <4f61399b.36a827f0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:13:06 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"vmzNW2.0.EK4.N6-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8712 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard - > Correct, as I said in the beginning, it's a magnetic slingshot... Yes, but the conclusion that having the ball closer to the magnets at the start is adding energy to it is backwards and wrong. To extend your analogy, it's like saying that you add more energy to a projectile by NOT pulling the sling shot's elastic back all the way, keeping it in close to the uprights instead. Every kid knows that you pull way back against the elastic to add energy! Same in the SMOT. It's a LOWER potential energy in close than there is far away when you start the ball. The lower the rail friction, the further back you can start the ball, and this is a "legitimate" situation as long as the net path is level and there is a clear level rollaway. Putting it in closer to the fields at the start is like a handicap to the ball, making a clean level rollaway even more believable as evidence of OU. It definitely does NOT add energy to place a ball in this position, it reduces it from what you might have had from further back. Would you rather fall from 5 feet or 50 feet? Which delivers the greater impact? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:25:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA22795; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:25:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:25:08 -0800 Message-ID: <36ABE424.A116B460@GroupZ.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:25:25 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <36A92AC4.7724@tiac.net> <4f61399b.36a827f0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fW4Ns3.0.4a5.JG-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8713 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JN...if you are reading this, start from 1 cm from entrance and see if you get better efficiency...that will show if you are adding energy at start...steve opelc Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Richard - > > > Correct, as I said in the beginning, it's a magnetic slingshot... > > Yes, but the conclusion that having the ball closer to the magnets at the > start is adding energy to it is backwards and wrong. To extend your > analogy, it's like saying that you add more energy to a projectile by NOT > pulling the sling shot's elastic back all the way, keeping it in close to > the uprights instead. Every kid knows that you pull way back against the > elastic to add energy! Same in the SMOT. It's a LOWER potential energy in > close than there is far away when you start the ball. The lower the rail > friction, the further back you can start the ball, and this is a > "legitimate" situation as long as the net path is level and there is a > clear level rollaway. Putting it in closer to the fields at the start is > like a handicap to the ball, making a clean level rollaway even more > believable as evidence of OU. It definitely does NOT add energy to place a > ball in this position, it reduces it from what you might have had from > further back. Would you rather fall from 5 feet or 50 feet? Which delivers > the greater impact? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:25:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA22892; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:25:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:25:21 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AB6064.7139@tiac.net> References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:23:55 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"K5A_Z3.0.Xb5.XG-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8714 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob - > As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting > point by an external source of energy for each and > every run. I don't want to draw a SMOT ramp here, instead imagine we enter it from left to right. <---- force you exert to restrain the ball at the start. ----> force you'd be exerting if you were 'helping' the ball start, as in a running start, small push, some downhill in the ramp into the entry, etc. See the arrows point opposite directions? That's the thing. The force you count as error is actually in favor of a conservative approach to the experiment, as it does not add to the ball but instead takes from it. Since you feel a force towards the ramp, you could have (possibly, depending on friction) started from further back, which would allow the ball to have even more momentum when it entered the gate and started up the ramp. Does this help? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:37:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27222; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:37:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:37:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990124183612.1f8f29e2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:36:12 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Curl free A (Re: Electromagnetic potentials) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990124121625.00dfebe0@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"THQw_3.0.Ff6.TR-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8715 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Keith and all, At 12:16 PM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >>My problem is I don't see how both of the following can be true: >>1) Divergence of A is arbitrary (only a mathematical construct), so it >>could be >>set to different values in different gauges. "Doesn't have an effect on >>anything physical" >>Or, >>2) Divergence of A has a real physical effect. For example, the Aharonov & >>Bohm effect, Gelinas(*), etc. (With no B field, the curl(A)=0). Also, as I >>mentioned, any transformer? If so, it isn't arbitrary. >> >>(*) US Pat. 4,447,779 > >& 4429280,4429288,4432098,4605897,4491795. > >Choice of gauge as follows. > >Coulomb : divergence of A = 0 >Lorentz : divergence of A = -mu*epsilon*partial > deriviative of phi with respect to time. > >Other choices are possible, most textbooks only cover >these two (Church of England...) Perhaps this would >be a good thing to research; I've no >references to different gauge choices other than >the knowledge that they exist. There was a third I found on a web page, the quy for fun named it after himself. But they all are my category (1). Consider the A-B effect and the Coulomb gauge. The area if interaction is magnetically shielded, that means curl(A)=0. This gauge says divergence(A) =0. That leaves A a constant with respect to all space, or zero. I don't think this case is what is claimed. The Lorentz gauge, says if there is a non-zero A where the A-B effect occurs, there is also a time changing phi? Maybe this would effect the electrons? > >I remember when Gelinas was stumping for josephson >junction detectors; he published in the International >Tesla Society (back in the early 80's when actual scientists >contributed to it) It would be great if someone could get in >touch with him. I'm unsure where it all ended up. >Likely the difficulty of making any sort of velocity >measurement made things drift off. Yes to have a dialogue with the person in question would be helpful. Several examples come to mind. > >Your comment about magnetically shielded transformer, >please elaborate? > A transformer secondary that is both magnetically and electrically shielded from the primary and the core that passes through it still has the expected induced voltage. These were the experiments I did and posted last August. I am looking to put some images and data on the web. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:38:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27598; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:38:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:38:14 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 1/2L[I]2=1/2C[V]2 Message-Id: <917235466.20741.823@excite.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:37:46 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ntbn-.0.7l6.bS-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8716 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry for the error Bob Shannon,( got you confused with Bob P) In the above equation the left term represents the energy stored as kinetic form of a magnetic field and the right represents the same energy expressed in potential form as an electric field.What one finds is that it is quite possible to have a situation where the amount of energy in oscillation as expressed by these terms can exceed the amount of energy wasted in [I]2R heat losses. I dont know if I can agree about your conclusions regarding this watt less energy transfer. To give an example the coils I use in my experiments are 1000 ohms and 56 Henries. When I plug them into the 120v@60hz wall the load is viewed as being about 99.9% inductive reactance and thus the resistance only accounts for 0.1% of the arrived impedance figure. This allows 5 mA to conduct through the coil. Now the power company of course sees this primarily as returned energy and wattless but the 5ma still heats the wire of the coil. If everyone of the power companies customers suddenly plugged in transformers,drawing no load on the secondary,they would draw no power but heating losses should still be occurring in the transmission lines and primaries of the open circiut transformers. Now it is my understanding the same argument is used for purely capacitive loads. When I make a capacitive load that will conduct 5 ma from the wall and combine it in series with the inductive load of 5 ma the reactances cancel and 15 times the amperage is noted in the circuit. What makes this possible however is that a resonant rise of voltage 15/1 ratio to input voltage occurs inside the circuit against itself. I call that an unobvious potential in which if a load is placed in parallel to the voltage rise the effect that caused the voltage is itself choked off; hence we might call this a resonant choke method. We cannot use the unobvious potential or voltage that exists in either direction with respect to the midpoint of the series connection to either end, in the same way an obvious voltage is used. As I have pointed out before however it is possible to make TWO differing kinds of unobvious potential that are in turn themselves opposites. At the same time an unobvious negative potential can exist so can an unobvious positive potential; and those unobvious potentials can be made to interact which involves a reaction with twice the potential of either alone. This also is a resonant choke method that gives an entirely unexpected result.That result is the fact that when the two opposite unobvious potentials are connected the whole circuit becomes not 2 series resonant branches oppositely connected in parallel and joined at the midpoints; BUT now acts as if it were 1 parallel resonant circuit with one important distinction; the center path across the midpoint has now acted as a common carrier for both the inductive and capacitive currents, but that carrier is used in opposite directions by both. This is like a double negative but the result of the observation is that twice the recorded amperage exists across the midpoint path than that of either the capacitive or inductive alone. This concept can be visualized by taking an S and superimposing a backwards S over it to make a figure 8. The path across the middle is used by both S's in opposite directions. Each S represents an inductive and capacitive current and since they themselves are 180 out of phase; when the same pathway is used in opposite directions they become in phase and doubled. Whew I must have confused everyone by now but this explanation fits what is actually observed. To reiterate I use the term unobvious potential to mean the MIDPOINT of a series resonant circuit. If two of these circuits are made one can be made backwards or 180 degrees out of phase with the other simply by hooking them up BACKWARDS with respect to the wall connections. I have seen a lot of blank stares and total misunderstanding of this term "180 degrees out of phase" Its so simple that it is rediculous that people read something into it like its some kind of mystical thing that cant be understood. What needs to be understood is that when two of these backwards phases are made when one has an unobvious compression of electrons, or acts like an unobvious negative source, the other opposite phase will create an unobvious vacuum of electrons or unobvious positive source. The reaction of these unobvious potentials by use of an arc gap is a superb method of creating a clean high frequency oscillation between resonances,which I refer to as the binary resonant arc gap. Having lost my train of thought lets return to the equation.When the amperage in this coil example is increased 15 fold to 75mA the energy stored in the magnetic field is exponentially increased due to amperage term I being squared on the left term. For the same energy to exist in the capacitor the V term must correspondingly be increased 15 fold. In a way this simple equation explains the series resonant rise of voltage. Now the heating loss in this example is 5.625 watts from the average current of .075 A and 1000 ohms. Is it remarkable that the energy stored by 1/2L[I]2 is by the left term .1575 joules? That being the case the energy transfer of .1575 joules 120 times per second would then be 18.9 joules per second or 18.9 watts. If it were possible to tap into this energy transfer without diminishing the quantity being transferred than we should suppose that overunity is possible,shouldnt we? HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:43:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA31936; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:43:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:43:47 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:42:46 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Thomas Smyth Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Urine Batteries In-Reply-To: <36AB3745.E6BB53EE@jps.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dQEsu2.0.uo7.oX-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8717 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thomas or anyone: I too would be very interested in exploring this more, expecially if it works. Jorg ostrowski __________________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Thomas Smyth wrote: > > Dear folks, > > I saw a Urine battery at an invention convention about 5 years ago. As > I searched the Internet for this device, it gave me your address. If > you do know anything about where I can learn more about it, I would be > very appreciative! Thank you very much. > > Thomas Smyth <}: > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 19:46:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA25934; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:45:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:45:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36ABE8A9.337C8C08@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:44:42 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AB6064.7139@tiac.net> <36AB4FED.FFBF098A@ihug.co.nz> <36ABCBE1.45A9@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yr2x82.0.2L6.gZ-gs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8718 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The only way your argument would make sense is if you consider the energy that you would have to put in to remove it from the face of the magnet, but if the ball does not end up stuck on the face of the magnet you can't count the energy you don't have to expend. Imagine we were talking about gravity, do you count the energy it takes to raise the ball from the floor to the table top or only the difference (in potential energy) from the start to the ending position? Imagine you have on a table top a track for a ball, the start is 10cm of the table, the track dips right down to the table surface then raises back up to the end of it's journey ending up 2 cm lower than it began. You would not count the energy from the table top to start position, only the difference in potential energy from the start to end position. With the SMOT all you need to do is find out if the ball ends at least as high out of the gravity field as the starting position, and the difference in magnetic potential energy from the start to beginning. If the ball does a roll away it means it is far enough out of the magnetic field not to be sucked back, Because it was close enough to be sucked in at the start we may easily assume it has more potential energy at the end than the start. John Berry Bob Shannon wrote: > John Berry wrote: > > > > > I said that it must be out of the field, If at the end it does not have at least as much > > potential energy both magnetically and gravitationally (is no further in the field than > > the starting point) then your arguement is worthless, As I understand it the ball is > > further out of the field than when it started (which it must if it rolls far enough out > > of the field not to be pulled back) > > The ball is started 'in the field'. The ball is being attracted by the > weaker field at the start of the ramp prior to its release, where is > climbs the ramp. > > If the start point of the ball is outside the ramps field, it would not > be attracted, and drawn up the ramp. > > > It does not matter if it is closed loop or not, just that the magnetic and gravitational > > potential energy is atleast as great at the end that it is at the start. > > See above. If magnetic field 'pre-loading' is a possible issue, then > closed loop operation can address this question. > > > If however the ball ends up lower than it started, or more in the field of the magnet > > then it of course it is not clearly displaying OU results (unless the messy case of > > measuring the energy lost by the system... ughh proves it to be OU) > > Depending on the total input energy of course. This is where the > question of 'pre-loading' enters the picture. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 20:05:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA05670; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:05:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:05:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990124195637.28478502@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:56:37 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Strategies for Dissenting Scientists In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4S9N03.0.SO1.kr-gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8719 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:21 PM 1/23/99 -0800, Bill wrote: > >An *excellent* new paper, just added to the SSE website: > > Strategies for Dissenting Scientists > http://www.jse.com/martin/1.html > >Strategies for Dissenting Scientists > An interesting paper that seems to look as science as a business i.e. at a University with grants, publish or perish, etc- been there. I quess an advantage of being an "amateur scientist" is you cannot be fired, passed up for a promotion, etc. Not everything needs large amounts of (government) money to investigate. Maybe required for producing and selling the possible end product... -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 21:07:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA17729; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:06:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:06:44 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Experimental results; 1996? Message-Id: <917240784.5268.263@excite.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:06:24 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"VBuWc2.0.wK4.al_gs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8720 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sometimes its a pain being on one list and not another and missing out on comments.I added 2 threads to this at BRS messageboard www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 for any comments Jerry From Keelynet thought it would be good if I could post some kind of experimental evidence. This is a poor example of a good experiment to show what I am trying to convey, but something is better than nothing, and myabe others can replicate it. I took a 4" by 6" ceramic magnet and placed a square tupperware container filled with ordinary water on the face of the magnet. Then I taped aluminum foil to two of the opposite sides of the container,(on the outside,not touching the water). These connections went to a high voltage, high frequency electric field (from the binary arc gap method) Then electrodes were placed in the water from a 12 volt auto battery on the other two sides of the container. The first two conditions establish a magnetic and electric field at right angles and the third condition should show the effect at right angles to both to see if this supposed Lorentz force law has any bearing on this case. I didnt keep notes on this but I am fairly certain either 50 or 100 % additional conduction took place from the battery when the electric field was oscillating at right angles to the magnetic. This conduction figure was well below what it would have been if I were using an electrolyte in the water, so I only noted this experiment with passing curiosity. In retrospect there may be possibilities with this idea. Harvey D. Norris _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 23:11:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA25958; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:11:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:11:40 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? Message-Id: <917248277.16892.79@excite.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:11:17 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"tFwp21.0.VL6.ha1hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8721 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:06:24 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: . > I took a 4" by 6" ceramic magnet and placed a square tupperware container > filled with ordinary water on the face of the magnet. Then I taped aluminum > foil to two of the opposite sides of the container,(on the outside,not > touching the water). These connections went to a high voltage, high > frequency electric field (from the binary arc gap method) >> Making my own reply again I would add that in this stage of experimentation a single arc gap was used and it was supposed that by simply placing the desired load across this arc gap that these effects would then be delivered. In this case if the plates were not insulated from the water the volume of electric field generated by opposite unobvious potentials could never take place because the water would act as a short if those plates were actually immersed in the water. That fact initially led to an idea being thrown away led back again to fountain sources to be resurrected as new thinking. By using a double gap system with the load between the arc gaps the problem of presenting a short to the system is more or less solved. By using this method the plates themselves can be immersed in the water. But in this case is that good? Then the DC battery might be influenced by the high frequency, and the newman enthusiasts would have a hey day. The surprising thing is that I obtained a lot of experimental results in experiments with plants; I got into this tomatoe and pepper thing last October when the computer crashed and Meat Truck died and I got to use my real name again. I wondered about how I could best stimulate them with high freq. which is when I again came to this double gap hypothesis,which was just a de ja vu. When I drove a metal post into the ground outside the plant room and connected one end to the double gap;binary system and placed a neon bulb between the earth and one plate I could see for myself how the earth ground itself becomes conductive as a polar capacity that shows itself as a pulse lighting the bulb. Paradoxically bizarre modifications occur because of this. The plates used as unobvious potentials become useless in this circumstance because of the grounding. The damn ground is something that makes me so mad because it is presented as something simple to understand whereas from my viewpoint it is most difficult.HDN > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 24 23:25:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA29244; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:25:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:25:05 -0800 Message-ID: <36ABAC7C.B1E86397@jps.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:28:16 +0000 From: Thomas Smyth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F0A476666E213E6A5F800F40" Resent-Message-ID: <"Mhgqf2.0.n87.Hn1hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8722 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F0A476666E213E6A5F800F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Thomas: For info on the urine battery, go to: Thomas <}: --------------F0A476666E213E6A5F800F40 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp1.jps.net (smtp1.jps.net [209.63.224.236]) by mail2b.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26726 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca (ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca [136.159.244.11]) by smtp1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05821 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) received: from acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca(136.159.34.205) by ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca via smap (V2.0) id ZZ024919; Sun, 24 Jan 99 20:43:29 -0700 Received: from localhost by acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA97696; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:42:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:42:46 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Thomas Smyth Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Urine Batteries In-Reply-To: <36AB3745.E6BB53EE@jps.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Thomas or anyone: I too would be very interested in exploring this more, expecially if it works. Jorg ostrowski __________________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Thomas Smyth wrote: > > Dear folks, > > I saw a Urine battery at an invention convention about 5 years ago. As > I searched the Internet for this device, it gave me your address. If > you do know anything about where I can learn more about it, I would be > very appreciative! Thank you very much. > > Thomas Smyth <}: > > --------------F0A476666E213E6A5F800F40-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 03:49:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA03175; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:48:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:48:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 04:47:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Thomas Smyth Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] In-Reply-To: <36ABAC7C.B1E86397@jps.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hxqg53.0.Wn.rd5hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8723 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thomas: Thanks for forwarding the web site. Do you or anyone else want to build this battery? Does any one have any practical experience to relate on this topic? We have a waterless toilet and I could make revisions to divert this valuable resource. Now is it is used as liquid fertilizer. Once I have had a chance to review the web site, I would consider building a prototype, together with other interested parties. Any practical suggestions welcomed. I like being practical. Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 06:25:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA11799; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:25:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:25:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199901251425.IAA08363@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:24:30 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PgApO.0.Au2.Gx7hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8724 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey, Was your cup ceramic ? In radio frequency sputtering, a blocked high volt radio frequency causes ceramic to become conductive. I wonder if this plays a roll in your experiment. Joe Portman ====================== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? > Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:11 AM > > On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:06:24 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: > > > . > > I took a 4" by 6" ceramic magnet and placed a square tupperware container > > filled with ordinary water on the face of the magnet. Then I taped > aluminum > > foil to two of the opposite sides of the container,(on the outside,not > > touching the water). These connections went to a high voltage, high > > frequency electric field (from the binary arc gap method) > >> Making my own reply again I would add that in this stage of > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 06:27:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA06829; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:27:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxpOkuq7c0xLmuuzV5PbzQ4H0ooQIUb72g+0e+5HVqY9FBRIyyzBXkjS0= From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Diamagatism Message-ID: <1713-36AC7F1A-202@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"pg1RF1.0.cg1.-y7hs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8725 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Found this while looking for diamagnetic materials. Comments on diamagnetic materials? Included Page: Diamagnetism RB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 06:51:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22859; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:51:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:51:19 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAi5PIqdKlvyS8O2wCWyGxFS9oTjICFQDAee4E3gG+6Je1yfYGdmVr8svjmg== From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:51:16 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Diamagnetism Message-ID: <1718-36AC84E4-16@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"j2Lmw3.0.3b5.cJ8hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8726 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Diamagnetism Address:http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/diamagnetism_www/index.html New at working this thing, address didn't make it, sorry. RB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 18:03:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA15133; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:03:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:03:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:54:41 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com, free E Subject: Which.... ?Re: HOW LONG WILL THIS BE SUPPRESSED? In-Reply-To: <2978466e.36acaaa8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jWasf.0.Mi3.U9Ihs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8736 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Uni., You list several patents. Which one, or ones are the ones which are being supressed? I will call up a couple of them.... if they come up on a public source, such as IBM then they are not suppressed. JH Schunrer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 07:57:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA11276; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:57:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:57:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199901251701.OAA25833@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:55:56 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 1/2L[I]2=1/2C[V]2 Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <917235466.20741.823@excite.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"xTqDL.0.0m2.RH9hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8727 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > To reiterate I use the term unobvious potential to mean the MIDPOINT of a > series resonant circuit. If two of these circuits are made one can be made > backwards or 180 degrees out of phase with the other simply by hooking them up > BACKWARDS with respect to the wall connections. I have seen a lot of blank > stares and total misunderstanding of this term "180 degrees out of phase" Its > so simple that it is rediculous that people read something into it like its > some kind of mystical thing that cant be understood. What needs to be > understood is that when two of these backwards phases are made when one has an > unobvious compression of electrons, or acts like an unobvious negative source, > the other opposite phase will create an unobvious vacuum of electrons or > unobvious positive source. The reaction of these unobvious potentials by use > of an arc gap is a superb method of creating a clean high frequency > oscillation between resonances,which I refer to as the binary resonant arc > gap. I understood your idea, and I like it. But I guess you could provide a circuit drawing for better understanding of it. > Having lost my train of thought lets return to the equation.When the > amperage in this coil example is increased 15 fold to 75mA the energy stored > in the magnetic field is exponentially increased due to amperage term I being > squared on the left term. For the same energy to exist in the capacitor the V > term must correspondingly be increased 15 fold. In a way this simple equation > explains the series resonant rise of voltage. Now the heating loss in this > example is 5.625 watts from the average current of .075 A and 1000 ohms. Is it > remarkable that the energy stored by 1/2L[I]2 is by the left term .1575 > joules? That being the case the energy transfer of .1575 joules 120 times per > second would then be 18.9 joules per second or 18.9 watts. If it were possible > to tap into this energy transfer without diminishing the quantity being > transferred than we should suppose that overunity is possible,shouldnt we? HDN > What if you put a transformer connected in series with your ark gap to take advantage of that "doubled current" ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 08:24:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23028; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:24:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:24:20 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:23:34 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: PetMagic@aol.com, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, lkvp@mail.awod.com, trknute@earthlink.net, vortex-l@eskimo.com, Mattias , Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, votex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"uCtb.0.Wd5.pg9hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8728 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Jorg, In a message dated 99-01-25 06:50:21 EST, you write: >...Do you or anyone else want to >build this battery? Does any one have any practical experience to >relate on this topic? We have a waterless toilet and I could make >revisions to divert this valuable resource. Now is it is used as liquid >fertilizer. Once I have had a chance to review the web site, I would >consider building a prototype, together with other interested parties. >Any practical suggestions welcomed. I like being practical. Jorg Ostrowski My RAM upgrade arrives this week--I'll then be able to visit the url--but I'm interested in all forms of home-mde energy to help the greatest numbers become self-sufficient. What metals are used? The Chinese-made Salt Water Lantern uses copper & alum. alloys. Its exclusive global exporter of is sending me a free sample (otherwise anavailable until March) for R & D purposes, in response to my suggesting that its power supply (battery) be adapted to uses beyond energizing the built-in flourescent tubes. I'll be measuring pH, voltages, alloy composition, etc. Perhaps I'll determine some transferable principles. BTW--Do you dilute the "resource" 5:1 for fertilizer use, or compost it first? What plant types do you cultivate? The prof. from whom I got my spirulina had a vat that he maintained by urinating in it once/day! --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 09:38:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA18973; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:38:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:38:20 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <2978466e.36acaaa8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:32:24 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, lkvp@mail.awod.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: HOW LONG WILL THIS BE SUPPRESSED? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"25akS3.0.9e4.9mAhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8729 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, All-- My reading, from contemporaneous (1975) local newspaper reportage, indicates that this was REAL--prototype motors produced 400-1000HP, running off a standard vehicle battery, and returned almost all the power they withdrew; IOW, they ran until the battery literally wore out from age. Capacitors created pulsed, high V routed to ciols, producing huge EM fields, which exerted force against a circular array of permanent magnets. Initially, the motor was cooled with compressed air; later versions had an integral fan. EvGray had an impressive “battery” of engineers on staff & was ready to fill orders...but a sudden barrage of legal & health problems (incl. a fortuitous car accident) intervened. Patent Server: 3890548 Pulsed Capacitor Discharge Electric Engine Gray; Edwin, Northridge, CA ASSIGNEES: Evgray Enterprises, Inc., Van Nuys, CA ATTORNEY, AGENT, or FIRM: Price; Gerald L. PRIMARY/ASSISTANT EXAMINERS: Schaefer; Robert K.; Feldhaus; John J. There is disclosed herein an electric machine or engine in which a rotor cage having an array of electromagnets is rotatable in an array of electromagnets, or fixed electromagnets are juxtaposed against movable ones. The coils of the electromagnets are connected in the discharge path of capacitors charged to relatively high voltage and discharged through the electromagnetic coils when selected rotor and stator elements are in alignment, or when the fixed electromagnets and movable electromagnets are juxtaposed. The discharge occurs across spark gaps disclosed in alignment with respect to the desired juxtaposition of the selected movable and stationary electromagnets. The capacitor discharges occur simultaneously through juxtaposed stationary movable electromagnets wound so that their respective cores are in magnetic repulsion polarity, thus resulting in the forced motion of movable electromagnetic elements away from the juxtaposed stationary electromagnetic elements at the discharge, thereby achieving motion. In an engine, the discharges occur successively across selected ones of the gaps to maintain continuous rotation. Capacitors are recharged between successive alignment positions of particular rotor and stator electromagnets of the engine. Show the 3 patents that reference this one #2085708, Spencer 1937 #2800619, Brunt 1957 #3579074, Roberts 1971 ELECTRONIC POWERED PULSE AMPLIFIER #3619638" 3619638, Phinney 1971 #3619638" PULSE GENERATING APPARATUS Exemplary claims: An electric engine, comprising: fixed electromagnets; movable electromagnets movable into alignment with said fixed electromagnets; capacitor means; means for charging said capacitor means; and means for discharging said charged capacitor means through said fixed and movable electromagnets to polarize said aligned fixed and movable FOREIGN APPLICATION PRIORITY DATA: none OTHER REFERENCES: Frungel, High Speed Pulse Technology, Academic Press Inc., 1965, pp. 140-148. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 11:54:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA04257; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:54:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:54:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:53:52 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, PetMagic@aol.com, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, lkvp@mail.awod.com, trknute@earthlink.net, vortex-l@eskimo.com, Mattias , Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, votex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oH0kh3.0.O21.xlChs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8730 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Russ: Further to your question of below, the ratio of compost tea to greywater is 10/1. Is 5:1 better? We use this for all our plants indoors. We have 10" window sills (13" thick walls) for edible, medicinal and air cleaning plants, plus the greenhouse. Do you have the contact for the salt batteries? Is your spirulina for fresh water? We have been wanting to grow some in our solar aquatic system (greywater treatment). Jorg Ostrowski _______________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 UNIR2B1NM@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Jorg, > > In a message dated 99-01-25 06:50:21 EST, you write: > > >...Do you or anyone else want to > >build this battery? Does any one have any practical experience to > >relate on this topic? We have a waterless toilet and I could make > >revisions to divert this valuable resource. Now is it is used as liquid > >fertilizer. Once I have had a chance to review the web site, I would > >consider building a prototype, together with other interested parties. > >Any practical suggestions welcomed. I like being practical. Jorg Ostrowski > > My RAM upgrade arrives this week--I'll then be able to visit the url--but I'm > interested in all forms of home-mde energy to help the greatest numbers become > self-sufficient. What metals are used? > > The Chinese-made Salt Water Lantern uses copper & alum. alloys. Its exclusive > global exporter of is sending me a free sample (otherwise anavailable until > March) for R & D purposes, in response to my suggesting that its power supply > (battery) be adapted to uses beyond energizing the built-in flourescent tubes. > I'll be measuring pH, voltages, alloy composition, etc. Perhaps I'll > determine some transferable principles. > > BTW--Do you dilute the "resource" 5:1 for fertilizer use, or compost it first? > What plant types do you cultivate? > > The prof. from whom I got my spirulina had a vat that he maintained by > urinating in it once/day! > > --Russ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 16:20:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA01050; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:20:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:20:37 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:13:18 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@HOTMAIL.COM, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@HOTMAIL.COM, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@HOTMAIL.COM, lkvp@mail.awod.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"jv5kb2.0.7G.JfGhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8731 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-25 14:58:37 EST, you write: >question of below, the ratio of compost tea to >greywater is 10/1. Is 5:1 better? That book recommended a 5:1 dilution for un-composted (i.e., outdoor) use. >We use this for all our plants >indoors. We have 10" window sills (13" thick walls) ...Impressive! Did you build this from rammed earth? straw, etc.? Where (in the world) are you, BTW? >for edible, medicinal >and air cleaning plants, plus the greenhouse. Do you have the contact for >the salt batteries? Yes, but he just now asked me not to disseminate it further; there are no more available units yet, and he's in mid-distribution-negotiations. But stay tuned...I'll be announcing developments well in advance of their release. So far, the units have been available (in limited supply) only as fluorescent lanterns; however, I'm moving the company toward selling the battery separately, and/or incorporating other innovative, self-sufficiency features at OEM prices. I'm told, however, that in the meantime it would usher things along if you organized a tally of prospective orders (contingent on my scrutiny the device, in which I’ll share info & welcome any advice) from among friends, neighbors, internet acquaintances, etc. >Is your spirulina for fresh water? We have been >wanting to grow some in our solar aquatic system (greywater treatment). Fresh water, yes. However, I know of 20% sea water being used in one of the most prodigious horticultural projects in existence; IOW, superior cultivation may be a matter of *how much* sea salt is included, not whether! (I just received my RAM upgrade & will imminently be able to surf, but I’m open to & needful of suggestions about spirulina growth media!) Regards, Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 16:55:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17049; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:54:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:54:57 -0800 Message-ID: <36AD38F9.31D9@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:39:37 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AB6064.7139@tiac.net> <36AB4FED.FFBF098A@ihug.co.nz> <36ABCBE1.45A9@tiac.net> <36ABE8A9.337C8C08@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mB-ZX.0.0A4.V9Hhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8732 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > > The only way your argument would make sense is if you consider the energy that you would have > to put in to remove it from the face of the magnet, but if the ball does not end up stuck on > the face of the magnet you can't count the energy you don't have to expend. Why on Earth would this be an all or nothing component in the energy equation? This makes no conventional sense at all. > Imagine we were talking about gravity, do you count the energy it takes to raise the ball from > the floor to the table top or only the difference (in potential energy) from the start to the > ending position? Yes, if you have a 'free energy' machine thats powered by ball falling off a table, and you had to move the ball back to the starting point each time. > Imagine you have on a table top a track for a ball, the start is 10cm of the table, the track > dips right down to the table surface then raises back up to the end of it's journey ending up > 2 cm lower than it began. > You would not count the energy from the table top to start position, only the difference in > potential energy from the start to end position. > > With the SMOT all you need to do is find out if the ball ends at least as high out of the > gravity field as the starting position, and the difference in magnetic potential energy from > the start to beginning. Not at all, the magnetic state of the ball is very different at the start and end points! > If the ball does a roll away it means it is far enough out of the magnetic field not to be > sucked back, Because it was close enough to be sucked in at the start we may easily assume it > has more potential energy at the end than the start. Minus the energy it took to get it into that starting condition. Its no different than compressing a mechanical spring. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 17:02:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19687; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:02:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:02:05 -0800 Message-ID: <36AD35A2.651D@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:25:22 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3GCJ2.0.Vp4.DGHhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8733 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Bob - > > > As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting > > point by an external source of energy for each and > > every run. > > I don't want to draw a SMOT ramp here, instead imagine we enter it from > left to right. > > <---- force you exert to restrain the ball at the start. > > ----> force you'd be exerting if you were 'helping' the ball start, as in a > running start, small push, some downhill in the ramp into the entry, etc. > > See the arrows point opposite directions? That's the thing. ACtually Rick, I beleive that its totally irrelevent here. Let me try to explain why. I care nothing about the energy it takes to keep the ball from moving up the ramp. If a fixed obstacle prevents the ball from going up the ramp, such as a gate, no 'work' is being done what so ever. No mass is in motion. But you did use an external source of energy to arange the thing this way! Thats the only energy I'm refering to. This is what is missing fron Jean-Louis's calcuations. After all, the device IS NOT READY to cycle again without an external source of energy pre-loading the magnetic field. The vectors do not matter, because this pre-loading energy is not present in the calculations we have seen to date. Am I still in error here? I care nothing about the force being used (if any) restraining the ball at the beginning of the run. I care about the energy used to get the thing ready to go in the first place. Its as if I build a jack in the box sort of device, you trip it, and this bit of energy goes out. The only problem is, I have to put it back together each time before it works again, but you dont count that energy. Is this any clearer? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 17:36:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03461; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:36:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <36AD1BF9.92424E1B@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:35:55 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AD35A2.651D@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vwkJE.0.vr.8mHhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8734 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > Bob - > > > > > As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting > > > point by an external source of energy for each and > > > every run. > > > > I don't want to draw a SMOT ramp here, instead imagine we enter it from > > left to right. > > > > <---- force you exert to restrain the ball at the start. > > > > ----> force you'd be exerting if you were 'helping' the ball start, as in a > > running start, small push, some downhill in the ramp into the entry, etc. > > > > See the arrows point opposite directions? That's the thing. > > ACtually Rick, I beleive that its totally irrelevent here. > > Let me try to explain why. I care nothing about the energy it takes to > keep the ball from moving up the ramp. If a fixed obstacle prevents the > ball from going up the ramp, such as a gate, no 'work' is being done > what so ever. No mass is in motion. > > But you did use an external source of energy to arange the thing this > way! > > Thats the only energy I'm refering to. This is what is missing fron > Jean-Louis's calcuations. After all, the device IS NOT READY to cycle > again without an external source of energy pre-loading the magnetic > field. > > The vectors do not matter, because this pre-loading energy is not > present in the calculations we have seen to date. > > Am I still in error here? > > I care nothing about the force being used (if any) restraining the ball > at the beginning of the run. I care about the energy used to get the > thing ready to go in the first place. > > Its as if I build a jack in the box sort of device, you trip it, and > this bit of energy goes out. The only problem. No energy is expended in getting the ball to the start (from outside of the field), Energy is in fact output by the ball and magnetic field, there is no input energy!, and if it does a roll away at the end then you can't count the energy for the removal energy. You are either referring to the energy needed to remove the ball from the face of the magnet out to the starting position (which as I understand it the ball does a roll away so you don't need to input energy to do such), Or from out of the field to the starting point in the magnetic field, however energy is given up by the system, all you do is let it fall into the field. In fact you need to apply resistance, there is an energy output in the second case not input. And the first case does not apply because AFAIK the ball ends further out of the magnetic field than the starting position. Next you will argue the energy I need to input to make something fall from a height (and you don't seem to be talking about the energy to get it up there) If something starts outside of a field electric magnetic or gravitational and that thing is responsive to such fields (attracted) it will if allowed fall into that field, You do not need to input energy to let it get deeper in the field. You do need to input energy to remove it again, to repeat it. The balls kinetic energy takes care of the removal which is the amazing thing about the SMOT, the energy it gained while falling into the field is enough to get it out of the field, it is like dropping a ball (not throwing) and having it go higher than than it's starting position. John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 18:27:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA24144; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:27:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:27:21 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Singing Arc Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:27:10 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36af27a1.539712654@24.192.1.20> References: <917222042.7236.552@excite.com> In-Reply-To: <917222042.7236.552@excite.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rnbA82.0.9v5.9WIhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8737 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:02 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: [snip] >with a high pitched sound! This was the strangest experience, the sound >seemed so all engulfing as if the whole garage were vibrating. Chalk this up >as an analomous experience, as we were never again able to reproduce this >effect again. ... ect. HDN [snip] since you were using wall socket frequency, you may have been resonating some of the wires in the wall. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 19:16:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08886; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:16:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:16:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:16:00 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, lkvp@mail.awod.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ibpI8.0.UA2.UEJhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8738 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You said: "Did you build this from rammed earth? straw, etc.? Where (in the world) are you, BTW? _______________________ Russ: Although we have done lots of work since 1978 on strawbale buildings, the walls of our home are wall trusses "Eco-Studs"). I am located in Calgary Alberta Canada. Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 20:16:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30507; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:16:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:16:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AD35A2.651D@tiac.net> References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:14:42 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"sFmir2.0.KS7.86Khs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8739 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob - > > I care nothing about the force being used (if any) > restraining the ball at the beginning of the run. I > care about the energy used to get the thing ready > to go in the first place. The energy state of the ball at the start and end of a level rollaway situation is pretty much the same. Very close, and close enough to know what we're looking at. A real level rollaway indicates some sort of OU. It may not be enough OU to propel the ball all the way around back to the start against the friction of a level piece of return track, but it is a one-shot energy gain with no spring loading in any case. Putting the ball in the outer fringe of the field at the start is not spring loading, since no spring is loaded - that is, no force is pushed against to get the ball to that point, other than perhaps to overcome the slight friction of a neutral level track from a distant level rollaway position. It requires zero net energy to move the ball between any two points at equal potential (!). That there is not enough OU generated to send the ball zipping around back to the start again is not important. If the level return segment of track were indeed ZERO friction, the ball could easily be returned every time from a true level rollaway for repeated passes. That just means that even a very slight OU will result in rollarounds. We don't need a rollaround to show OU, but they would be nice because they do tend to prove it beyond any doubt. I have never seen a level rollaway. The ball always ended up within the fields somewhere, indicating no OU. To repeat what I think is the important point, it takes zero NET energy to move a motionless object from one place and come to rest at another if both points have the same potential (given zero friction between the points). If the thing's still moving at the second point (and continues on forever since there's no friction), OU is indicated. Otherwise, it's perfect break-even. Less than that, and it's stuck in a hole somewhere and it will take the addition of energy to bring it back out again. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 21:00:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA24633 for bilb@eskimo.com; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:06 -0800 X-Envelope-From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Mon Jan 25 21:00:02 1999 Received: from romeo.its.uwo.ca (romeo.its.uwo.ca [129.100.2.60]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24612 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:02 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Received: from mbgupta.uwo.ca by romeo.its.uwo.ca with SMTP id XAA12904; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:59:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901260459.XAA12904@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: romeo.its.uwo.ca: Host ts18-13.slip.uwo.ca [129.100.154.130] claimed to be mbgupta.uwo.ca X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Old-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:59:39 -0500 To: Jon Yarger Subject: Re: Plans for a Brain Tuner? Cc: KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <517CC7C99119D111A38200805F708C6F56DC12@smtp.icmsolutions.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: Jon, See the following for plans. http://www.infostream.net/fred/plans/brain_tuner.htm Chris Gupta At 01:40 PM 12/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >I saw post on KeelyNet that you have plans to build a Brain Tuner? Is >this true? I've been going crazy trying to find this for quite a long >time. > >Is it possible that you could send them to me? > >Thank You. > >-Jon > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 21:21:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA04470; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005a01be48eb$70cf49a0$b3a9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:19:23 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"69w_o2.0.l51.b2Lhs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8740 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick, I found that I could make the ball "sling shot" around the ramp end and then let it bounce and roll away across the table. What if the ball was made of hard rubber, like the super ball, and filled with steel power, that when it bounced off the table we could capture this "sling shot" energy for generating a higher bounce? Maybe a closed loop could then be possible with the ball bouncing to a higher level track that then rolls back around to the ramp starting point? Regards, Michael >> A real level rollaway indicates some sort of OU. It >may not be enough OU to propel the ball all the way around back to the >start against the friction of a level piece of return track, but it is a >one-shot energy gain with no spring loading in any case. Putting the ball >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jan 25 21:39:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA23895; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:38:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:38:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:38:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901260538.VAA01592@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"US7S_1.0.Fr5.kJLhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8741 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: As one of the original participants (suckers? whatever...) in the SMOT scene, I feel compelled to comment here. First, I must state that even though I initially reported a level rollaway, I later retracted that. I was unable to reproduce it after moving to another house. Second: suppose you were going to measure the energy balance of rolling a bowling ball off of the top of a playground slide. You'd count the amount it takes to get the ball up the slide stairs; that's simple to compute. Then you'd somehow capture the energy when the ball comes rolling back down to the ground, and measure that. The difference between the two figures would be the frictional, etc losses. But would you count the energy it took to bring the bowling ball from your house to the playground?? Or from the car to the slide? Finally, and most important, is this: this whole discussion is rather moot until/unless someone can show a true level rollaway, and it is replicated. Dan Quickert (still wondering if it could be possible) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 11:39:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA03543; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:38:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:38:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005a01be48eb$70cf49a0$b3a9f0cf@default> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:36:41 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"Wb-Wj.0.Bt.7dXhs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael - > I found that I could make the ball "sling shot" > around the ramp end and then > let it bounce and roll away across the table. Could you please describe what you're doing in some detail? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 15:47:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA02487; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:46:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:46:38 -0800 Message-ID: <36AE7A78.736E@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:31:20 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AD35A2.651D@tiac.net> <36AD1BF9.92424E1B@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yWpmx3.0.lc.TFbhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8743 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > > > Bob - > > > > > > > As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting > > > > point by an external source of energy for each and > > > > every run. > > > > > > I don't want to draw a SMOT ramp here, instead imagine we enter it from > > > left to right. > > > > > > <---- force you exert to restrain the ball at the start. > > > > > > ----> force you'd be exerting if you were 'helping' the ball start, as in a > > > running start, small push, some downhill in the ramp into the entry, etc. > > > > > > See the arrows point opposite directions? That's the thing. > > > > ACtually Rick, I beleive that its totally irrelevent here. > > > > Let me try to explain why. I care nothing about the energy it takes to > > keep the ball from moving up the ramp. If a fixed obstacle prevents the > > ball from going up the ramp, such as a gate, no 'work' is being done > > what so ever. No mass is in motion. > > > > But you did use an external source of energy to arange the thing this > > way! > > > > Thats the only energy I'm refering to. This is what is missing fron > > Jean-Louis's calcuations. After all, the device IS NOT READY to cycle > > again without an external source of energy pre-loading the magnetic > > field. > > > > The vectors do not matter, because this pre-loading energy is not > > present in the calculations we have seen to date. > > > > Am I still in error here? > > > > I care nothing about the force being used (if any) restraining the ball > > at the beginning of the run. I care about the energy used to get the > > thing ready to go in the first place. > > > > Its as if I build a jack in the box sort of device, you trip it, and > > this bit of energy goes out. The only problem. > > No energy is expended in getting the ball to the start (from outside of the > field), Energy is in fact output by the ball and magnetic field, there is no > input energy!, and if it does a roll away at the end then you can't count the > energy for the removal energy. Please excuse the term, but this argument is totally absurd! You cannot get the ball to the starting point without using external energy. Are you really suggesting that the ball simply appears at the start of the ramp? That argument is just like me claiming that a mousetrap is overunity, so long as you do not account for the very real energy used to set (pre-load) the spring. > You are either referring to the energy needed to remove the ball from the face of > the magnet out to the starting position (which as I understand it the ball does a > roll away so you don't need to input energy to do such), Or from out of the field > to the starting point in the magnetic field, however energy is given up by the > system, all you do is let it fall into the field. Totally incorrect John. There is no need for the ball to be removed from the face of any magnet. This is way out in left field, and has nothing to do with the case at hand. It took energy to get the ball at the starting point of the ramp. That energy is no longer present in the system when the ball comes to rest at the end of its travel. > In fact you need to apply resistance, there is an energy output in the second > case not input. > And the first case does not apply because AFAIK the ball ends further out of the > magnetic field than the starting position. This totally misses the point John. > Next you will argue the energy I need to input to make something fall from a > height (and you don't seem to be talking about the energy to get it up there) > If something starts outside of a field electric magnetic or gravitational and > that thing is responsive to such fields (attracted) it will if allowed fall into > that field, You do not need to input energy to let it get deeper in the field. > You do need to input energy to remove it again, to repeat it. Can you please explain how on Earth the ball got to the starting point without an external source of energy? You pre-loaded the starting condition, its plain as day. > The balls kinetic energy takes care of the removal which is the amazing thing > about the SMOT, the energy it gained while falling into the field is enough to > get it out of the field, it is like dropping a ball (not throwing) and having it > go higher than than it's starting position. Again, your totally failing to address the energy it took to set the ball up at the starting point, prior to the run. This has nothing to do with the diffrence between the starting and ending heights of the ball. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 16:06:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA12011; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:06:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:06:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, PetMagic@aol.com, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, biotron@pacbell.net, grstewar@tva.gov, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, dawnames@hotmail.com, lkvp@mail.awod.com, trknute@earthlink.net, vortex-l@eskimo.com, Mattias , Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, votex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NlRHe2.0.Wx2.wXbhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8744 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can you please tell us the name of the supplier of the battery and-or how to get in touch with them? Thank You JHS On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 UNIR2B1NM@aol.com wrote: > Dear Jorg, > > In a message dated 99-01-25 06:50:21 EST, you write: > > >...Do you or anyone else want to > >build this battery? Does any one have any practical experience to > >relate on this topic? We have a waterless toilet and I could make > >revisions to divert this valuable resource. Now is it is used as liquid > >fertilizer. Once I have had a chance to review the web site, I would > >consider building a prototype, together with other interested parties. > >Any practical suggestions welcomed. I like being practical. Jorg Ostrowski > > My RAM upgrade arrives this week--I'll then be able to visit the url--but I'm > interested in all forms of home-mde energy to help the greatest numbers become > self-sufficient. What metals are used? > > The Chinese-made Salt Water Lantern uses copper & alum. alloys. Its exclusive > global exporter of is sending me a free sample (otherwise anavailable until > March) for R & D purposes, in response to my suggesting that its power supply > (battery) be adapted to uses beyond energizing the built-in flourescent tubes. > I'll be measuring pH, voltages, alloy composition, etc. Perhaps I'll > determine some transferable principles. > > BTW--Do you dilute the "resource" 5:1 for fertilizer use, or compost it first? > What plant types do you cultivate? > > The prof. from whom I got my spirulina had a vat that he maintained by > urinating in it once/day! > > --Russ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 16:18:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17596; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:17:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:17:46 -0800 Message-ID: <36AE81C9.69E5@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:02:33 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Yg1x2.0.pI4.gibhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8745 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Bob - > > > > > I care nothing about the force being used (if any) > > restraining the ball at the beginning of the run. I > > care about the energy used to get the thing ready > > to go in the first place. > > The energy state of the ball at the start and end of a level rollaway > situation is pretty much the same. Very close, and close enough to know > what we're looking at. A real level rollaway indicates some sort of OU. It > may not be enough OU to propel the ball all the way around back to the > start against the friction of a level piece of return track, but it is a > one-shot energy gain with no spring loading in any case. Can you please explain why you beleive this is the case? Forget the kenetic energy at the starting point as compared to the ending point of the balls path. This again totally neglects the energy it took to place the ball into the starting position, so it may look like there is no pre-loading here, but your a long way from proving your case. > Putting the ball > in the outer fringe of the field at the start is not spring loading, since > no spring is loaded - that is, no force is pushed against to get the ball > to that point, other than perhaps to overcome the slight friction of a > neutral level track from a distant level rollaway position. This does not match my understanding of these devices. There was a huge discussion of starting gate devices that would not add any 'push' to the ball, they simply allowed the existing magnetic attraction between the ramp and ball to overcome the starting friction. Clearly if you do add external energy to overcome the friction then this would also have to be accounted for, but this is not my objection to Jean-Louis's calculations. My objection is still that an external source of energy was used to place the ball into its starting position. At that starting position, the ball is being attracted towards the ramp, and must be restrained from rolling towards the ramp if we want to start the run at a specific, know time. This is a case of classic pre-loading! > It requires > zero net energy to move the ball between any two points at equal potential > (!). That there is not enough OU generated to send the ball zipping around > back to the start again is not important. If the level return segment of > track were indeed ZERO friction, the ball could easily be returned every > time from a true level rollaway for repeated passes. That just means that > even a very slight OU will result in rollarounds. We don't need a > rollaround to show OU, but they would be nice because they do tend to prove > it beyond any doubt. I could not disagree more. > I have never seen a level rollaway. The ball always ended up within the > fields somewhere, indicating no OU. Agreed. > To repeat what I think is the important point, it takes zero NET energy to > move a motionless object from one place and come to rest at another if both > points have the same potential (given zero friction between the points). If > the thing's still moving at the second point (and continues on forever > since there's no friction), OU is indicated. Otherwise, it's perfect > break-even. Less than that, and it's stuck in a hole somewhere and it will > take the addition of energy to bring it back out again. Sorry Rick, you have lost me with this argument. If you move mass, you used energy in practice. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 16:28:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA21711; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:28:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:28:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: macelvain@england.com Subject: Re: Bouncing Magnets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Lejsy3.0.7J5.jsbhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Fre and Bob, I am interested in the writing .... please see note and flag, below ... On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, bob macelvain wrote: > > -- > ... bill ... > ... > ... you have very nicely > expressed what everybody > can understand to be true ... > ... > ... unfortunately, such a perfect > magnetic field insulator > is no where to be found ... > ... > ... it might help to visualize > a permanet magnet field as > a super conductor, the exact > magnetic reciprocal of an > equivalent electrical super- > conductor circuit ... > ... > ... north to north or south to > south, you will have an > impressive hands-on > demonstration with your neos ... > ... > ... i suggest you try to > determine FLAG ------------- if such neos > posesses a natural > magnetic resonant > frequency... > ... Q: Resonant in what manner? > ... if so, you might expect > to accomplish what you > describe by resonating > a relatively weak tunable > oscilator in the form of > a small, flat, watch- > spring-like coil suspended > between identical poles of > identical neos ... > ... > ... that is, match the natural > magnetic frequency of the > neos with a tuned circuit ... > ... Q: What manner of resonance? > ... a mere 100 watts can > control dozens of > massive 20 ton trucks > when the 100 watts is > in the form of a > traffic light ... > ... > ... panta rhei ... > ... > ... bob ... > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:30 Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > >All, > > > >We have all seen many instances of a magnet floating above another, without > >any outside energy being input, work is being accomplished. There has to be > >a way to harness this. > > > >Dumb question time. We have magnetically attracted materials such as iron, > >and magnetically repulsed materials such as another magnet of the same > >polarity. We also have magnetically transparent materials like paper & > >glass. > > > >Do we also have magnetically shielding material such that when passed > >between two magnets with the same poles pointed at each other they stop > >repulsing each other. Conversely if the two magnets have opposite poles > >pointed at each other this material would then act to eliminate the > >attraction to each other. > > > >Also it would be beneficial if the magnets would not impart any resistance > >to having this material passed between them. > > > >Could we not then put together a device that would have a fixed magnet on > >the bottom with say north pointing up, and another magnet above it with > >north pointing down. You would want the upper magnet to be fixed from > >moving left/right and forward/backward, but free to move up and down. Also > >you would want to maintain a certain distance between them so that you can > >pass this material in between. > > > >When this shielding material is not between them the upper floating magnet > >moves up. When the material is slid between them, the repulsion disappears, > >gravity takes over and the upper magnet moves down. You should then be able > >to harness the bobbing up & down of the floating magnet to do useful work. > > > >I have seen references to aluminum affecting magnetic fields, but does it do > >what I want it too. Could someone please clarify this for me. > > > >I have some neodymium magnets on order and I would like to start testing > >various materials. Has this already been tried? Is there a reference table > >somewhere of different materials and how they interact with magnetic fields? > > > >Working with computers, hardware & software, I feel more like a mechanic > >than an electronics technician. My electronics training from twenty some > >years ago has mostly atrophied. > > > >Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated? > > > >Bill > >webriggs@concentric.net > > > > > > > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com > Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 16:35:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA25599; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:35:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:35:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:27:13 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Address....Re: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19990122231943.1f4705f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O0SlW1.0.qF6.Szbhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8748 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Dave, Do you have... please.... the www or telephone number ... or other for CFA and CTHA ... a patent number would be GRAND! Thanks... JHS On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Dave Dameron wrote: > At 11:08 PM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm still looking for information on the CFA and the CTHA on the net, but > >I'm not having any luck tonight. I'll try again when I'm not so tired. > > > >The CTHA is not what you describe, however: > > > >> This is two side-by-side helicals.. one left hand, one right hand ... > > > >It's two helices wound on a torus. Sort of like a caduceus coil, only > >continuous. They claim that it's omnidirectional with gain, if I remember > >rightly. > > > >I'll post the references as soon as I find them. > > I found this: > IAS works with "CIRA" at the U of West Va. So far, their site server has > not responded. > -Dave > > " > IAS Communications, Inc. announced Monday it had received confirmation from > Circuit > Systems, Inc. for production of its Contrawound Toroidal Helical > Antenna (CTHA), > "pursuant to IAS Communications submitting purchase orders." > > The CTH antenna consists of two windings wrapped in opposite directions > on a > donut-shaped device. IAS Communications' web site says "the CTHAntenna > is so effetive > that it can transmit VHF signals over three times as far as > conventional antenna operating at > the same input power level." It also said the antenna requires only > 1/60th the height of a > normal antenna. Little detailed technical information is provided on > the web site, but it does > state the antenna is circularly polarized, omni-directional, and notes > "Evidence points to the > ability of the CTHAntenna's signal to actually ride the Earth's > magnetic field near or just below > the surface, allowing broadcasts to reach the far side of obstacles > (such as mountains) that > have traditionally hampered conventional antenna." Unfortunately, the > web site doesn't > describe how this propagation mode works. > > You can find out more about this interesting technology on the IAS > Communications Web > Site. Don't try accessing this site at less than 28kb - it is slow and > includes a large amount of > graphics. Be patient! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 16:40:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17725; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:40:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:40:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:34:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901270034.QAA09017@schilling.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"B7y391.0.nK4.x1chs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8749 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >Can you please explain how on Earth the ball got to the >starting point without an external source of energy? >You pre-loaded the starting condition, its plain as day. Bob, I have a question for you: Say you have a ramp or track running from one side of the grand canyon, down into the canyon, and then back up the other side. You want to measure the efficiency of that track. You bring a large steel ball up to the edge of the cliff very carefully, just to the balance point where it is about to fall off. You restrain it, and carefully measure the altitude at that point. Then you remove the restraint, being very careful not to give the ball any push. The ball runs down the ramp, then up the other side, and attains a maximum elevation. Now, can the losses & efficiency of the ramp system be computed from the beginning and ending elevations? (friction, air resistance, etc would be represented in the figure). Or would you add in the energy required to bring the ball to the edge of the cliff? Starting where? Dan Quickert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 17:06:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06625; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:06:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:06:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:57:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer cc: free E Subject: re gaging .. or is it re gague ..?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rC7pm1.0.Qd1.tPchs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8750 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, A simple question or set of questions; 1] is the term re gage ... or re gague? a] first, I do not want to get into a Tom Beardon type answer... so the answer to the question, while it may use one of Tom's terms... is desired in PLAIN LANGUAGE ... please.... Q: What doe re gage MEAN? Thanks, John Schnurer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 17:12:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA09515; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:12:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:12:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:04:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: General Questions...See notes...Meyer's Speculation (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zbcyi2.0.WK2.AWchs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8751 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:01:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: General Questions...See notes...Meyer's Speculation (fwd) Please see notes, comments ... questions, below.. -------- some cuts --------- Original letter from H. Norris.... with much thanks to him... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:45:52 PST From: Harvey Norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Meyer's Speculation The laws of AC resonance are well known; but what is seldom mentioned is the effect of DC resonance. In a heavy induction coil an arc forms across a break in the circuit. _________________________ +++++ method of creating Browns gas Q: I am not sure, exactly, what Brown's gas is.... Can you help? How does it differ from hydrogen and oxygen? __________________ we obviously want to pulse the dc, so this filter should be as small as possible.In fact an inductor could be used to limit the current through a Browns gas electrolysizor, instead of a capacitance which is the design used by the world leader in the field, George Wiseman. __________________ Q: Who is George Wiseman? Do you have information about him and-or his work? Patents ... www site and so on? ________________ Now while it definitely is going to be more costly to use the inductive method, it also is a means to harness this dc resonance. This is then done simply by choosing a capacitance that will resonate with the inductance as if it were a 120 hz. ac signal, which it is not, it is a 120 dc pulse/sec signal but nevertheless this combination entirely changes the induction arc and seems to give it a ______________ Q: What is 'laser like quality of penetration' ? _ ____ laser like quality of penetration. Now where the Meyer consideration comes in is here. Q: Can you elaborate, please? _________________ ___________ Instead of the capacitive filter being in place the ACTUAL electrolysizor itself could serve as that same value of CAPACITY. This means that only a certain size inductor ------ but thats the idea his process gave to me. He does refer to the idea of a resonant choke circuit in some patent material. --------------- following; the capacitive limiting used by Wiseman to limit the current into the electrolysizor will provide no resonant rise of voltage that might be available by using a capacitor AND inductor designed to resonate with the input frequency. All of the above is only a suggestion and as a matter of fact not something I plan to immediately build because I think there are even better ways of appoaching this problem using the rectification system across the midpoints of the binary resonant system. HDN Q: What is 'binary resonant system'? Thank you, JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 17:31:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14531; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:28:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: <36AE9272.CC3@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:13:38 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! References: <199901270032.QAA08153@schilling.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gQXWV.0.pY3.Mlchs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8752 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > >Can you please explain how on Earth the ball got to the > >starting point without an external source of energy? > >You pre-loaded the starting condition, its plain as day. > > Bob, I have a question for you: > > Say you have a ramp or track running from one side of the grand canyon, down > into the canyon, and then back up the other side. You want to measure the > efficiency of that track. You bring a large steel ball up to the edge of the > cliff very carefully, just to the balance point where it is about to fall > off. You restrain it, and carefully measure the altitude at that point. Then > you remove the restraint, being very careful not to give the ball any push. Here is where your analogy fails to describe the SMOT. The ball, waiting at the starting point, is already being effected by the magnets. If you were to remove the ball from that point, you would have to use extra energy to overcome the attraction to the ramp. This is a pre-loaded condition. > The ball runs down the ramp, then up the other side, and attains a maximum > elevation. Now, can the losses & efficiency of the ramp system be computed > from the beginning and ending elevations? (friction, air resistance, etc > would be represented in the figure). Or would you add in the energy required > to bring the ball to the edge of the cliff? Starting where? Dan, how does this apply to SMOT? In your analogy, there is no interaction between the ball and the ramp prior to the start of the balls motion. This is not the case with SMOT. Additionally, measuring the losses (not efficiency, as in Jean-Louis's calculations) by compareing the starting height against the end of travel height totally bypasses the need to know to absolute starting energy. This simply does not apply to the SMOT case at all. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 19:01:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15084; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:01:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:01:47 -0800 Message-ID: <36AE81A3.FADFC1D7@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:01:55 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> <36AD35A2.651D@tiac.net> <36AD1BF9.92424E1B@ihug.co.nz> <36AE7A78.736E@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ptet-1.0.bh3.Q6ehs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8753 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > John Berry wrote: > > > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > > > > > Bob - > > > > > > > > > As it is, the ball must be moved to this starting > > > > > point by an external source of energy for each and > > > > > every run. > > > > > > > > I don't want to draw a SMOT ramp here, instead imagine we enter it from > > > > left to right. > > > > > > > > <---- force you exert to restrain the ball at the start. > > > > > > > > ----> force you'd be exerting if you were 'helping' the ball start, as in a > > > > running start, small push, some downhill in the ramp into the entry, etc. > > > > > > > > See the arrows point opposite directions? That's the thing. > > > > > > ACtually Rick, I beleive that its totally irrelevent here. > > > > > > Let me try to explain why. I care nothing about the energy it takes to > > > keep the ball from moving up the ramp. If a fixed obstacle prevents the > > > ball from going up the ramp, such as a gate, no 'work' is being done > > > what so ever. No mass is in motion. > > > > > > But you did use an external source of energy to arange the thing this > > > way! > > > > > > Thats the only energy I'm refering to. This is what is missing fron > > > Jean-Louis's calcuations. After all, the device IS NOT READY to cycle > > > again without an external source of energy pre-loading the magnetic > > > field. > > > > > > The vectors do not matter, because this pre-loading energy is not > > > present in the calculations we have seen to date. > > > > > > Am I still in error here? > > > > > > I care nothing about the force being used (if any) restraining the ball > > > at the beginning of the run. I care about the energy used to get the > > > thing ready to go in the first place. > > > > > > Its as if I build a jack in the box sort of device, you trip it, and > > > this bit of energy goes out. The only problem. > > > > No energy is expended in getting the ball to the start (from outside of the > > field), Energy is in fact output by the ball and magnetic field, there is no > > input energy!, and if it does a roll away at the end then you can't count the > > energy for the removal energy. > > Please excuse the term, but this argument is totally absurd! > > You cannot get the ball to the starting point without using external > energy. > > Are you really suggesting that the ball simply appears at the start of > the ramp? Well where should I say it starts? Out of the field or already strongly in the field of the magnet, if out of the field of the magnet then in theory no energy needs to be input to move it to the start possition, If howerver it starts well in the field of the magnet, indeed more in the field than the start point then it takes energy to move it to the start possition. So you tell me where it starts Ok? > > > That argument is just like me claiming that a mousetrap is overunity, so > long as you do not account for the very real energy used to set > (pre-load) the spring. It is more like dropping a ball that you found already at that height, and seems to bounce even higher! > > > > You are either referring to the energy needed to remove the ball from the face of > > the magnet out to the starting position (which as I understand it the ball does a > > roll away so you don't need to input energy to do such), Or from out of the field > > to the starting point in the magnetic field, however energy is given up by the > > system, all you do is let it fall into the field. > > Totally incorrect John. There is no need for the ball to be removed > from the face of any magnet. This is way out in left field, and has > nothing to do with the case at hand. Well it is the only thing that you could be meaning, it does take energy to separate two attractive objects, So I thought that maybe you were meaning the energy to take the ball from the face of the magnet to the start position, It is kind of like the energy needed to life a rocket into space, you are working against a strong attraction of two bodies. But you seem to be saying that it takes energy to "Let" two mutually attractive bodies collide! > > > It took energy to get the ball at the starting point of the ramp. That > energy is no longer present in the system when the ball comes to rest at > the end of its travel. As to if it takes energy to get it to the start depends on where from, You can't just say it takes energy to get to a certian place unless you make it clear where it is coming from. > > > > In fact you need to apply resistance, there is an energy output in the second > > case not input. > > And the first case does not apply because AFAIK the ball ends further out of the > > magnetic field than the starting position. > > This totally misses the point John. > > > Next you will argue the energy I need to input to make something fall from a > > height (and you don't seem to be talking about the energy to get it up there) > > If something starts outside of a field electric magnetic or gravitational and > > that thing is responsive to such fields (attracted) it will if allowed fall into > > that field, You do not need to input energy to let it get deeper in the field. > > You do need to input energy to remove it again, to repeat it. > > Can you please explain how on Earth the ball got to the starting point > without > an external source of energy? You pre-loaded the starting condition, > its plain > as day. > > > The balls kinetic energy takes care of the removal which is the amazing thing > > about the SMOT, the energy it gained while falling into the field is enough to > > get it out of the field, it is like dropping a ball (not throwing) and having it > > go higher than than it's starting position. > > Again, your totally failing to address the energy it took to set the > ball up at the starting point, prior to the run. This has nothing to do > with the diffrence between the starting and ending heights of the ball. The ball may have always been at that height, in which case no energy was needed, or the ball could have come from a greater height or even totally removed from the gravitational field in which case no energy is needed to fall to that lower potential energy but infact it gives up a lot of energy doing so, or it could have come from below that point in which case it would have taken energy to raise the ball to that potential. The ball that rolls far enough to not fall back to into the magnetic field at the end is like the second case, it is futher out of the field than the starting possition, it has a greater potential energy than it will have at the start so you only need to let it fall into the magnetic field to get it to the start possition. In theory we can move something from one point to another without any energy, as long as the potential energy at both points are the same, It does not take any energy to displace something as long as it is not gaining potential energy in that displacement, because the gravitational potential AFAIK is the same at the send and start position, and because there is a loss in magnetic potential energy on a gain then it should be fully possible to close the loop, however in the real world there is friction, and a ball will not roll forever on a level plain in real life, so returning the ball may be difficult. John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 19:11:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19084; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:11:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:11:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199901270311.WAA24535@mail.enter.net> From: "David Rosignoli" Organization: Enter.Net To: jplentin@club-internet.fr Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:57:07 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Science Frontieres symposium CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <36A8724E.42B4@club-internet.fr> Resent-Message-ID: <"H0Agn1.0.0g4.AFehs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8754 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > - same day and hour (shame !), Jean-Louis Naudin on electromagnetic O/U > and antigrav devices, with help from physicist Patrick Cornille, PhD, > and science writer Alexandre Szames (who just published a magnificent > 500 pages book on Thomas Townsend Brown and related topics - most of it > in French, alas....). > Hi. I don't speak/read/understand French. I am very interested in the book on Thomas Brown. Is there anyone who is translating this (or can translate this) into english? ------------------- David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." - Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 20:01:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA03574; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:01:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <36AEB628.51E4@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:46:00 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: More SMOT stuff... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-3wso2.0.lt.B-ehs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8755 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Berry wrote: > As to if it takes energy to get it to the start depends on where from, You can't just > say it takes energy to get to a certian place unless you make it clear where it is > coming from. If I set the ball down onto a compression spring, it would be clear that I'm directly putting that energy there when I compress the spring. Clearly a magnet is not a spring, but we can have a similar effect. The starting point and ramp geometery are very critical. If, and only if, you preset everything just so, the ball goes up the ramp. If everything is not 'just so', then the thing is much less interesting. If you only take a very specific snapshot of time, from the start motion of the ball, that just happens to be in the right spot, to the time the ball stops on the exit ramp, it may look like its over unity. But at that starting point, you had to guide and direct that ball, distorting the magnetic fields of the ramp in the process. Given an unguided path, the ball and magnetic field configuration would take a very different form, where the ball is stuck on a magnet most likley. Now if it so happens that the ball 'rolls around', and remains in perpetual motion, you have a much stronger case, clearly. But given the very exacting nature of the starting conditions, we need to account for everything needed for the thing to work. And this clearly envolves a very critical starting condition. How can you prove that this special starting condition is totally pre-loading energy free? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 20:11:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA09013; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:11:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:11:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AE81C9.69E5@tiac.net> References: <130c9c90.36a98a14@aol.com> <36AAC427.277E@tiac.net> <36AAB6EA.2B7FDCF0@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:52:18 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Resent-Message-ID: <"y94W22.0.jC2.08fhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8756 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob - [Rick said...] >> It requires >> zero net energy to move the ball between any two points at equal potential >> (!). That there is not enough OU generated to send the ball zipping around >> back to the start again is not important. If the level return segment of >> track were indeed ZERO friction, the ball could easily be returned every >> time from a true level rollaway for repeated passes. That just means that >> even a very slight OU will result in rollarounds. We don't need a >> rollaround to show OU, but they would be nice because they do tend to prove >> it beyond any doubt. [...and Bob answered...] >I could not disagree more. It does indeed take ZERO energy discounting friction to move a mass from one point to the other, as long as the two points have the exact same potential as I and others have said. And of course there must be some sort of energy well between the points. The simplest case is of a ball rolling from the rim of a smooth salad bowl to the opposite rim. It *almost* gets to the same altitude on the opposite rim, the difference representing the losses in air and rolling friction along the way. Without the slight friction, the ball would reach the *exact* level on the opposite side of the bowl: 100% efficiency, itself technically impossible without some OU thrown in. Now - what is the energy level at the two points, start and finish? Equal. How much energy was expended when the ball in the frictionless case travelled from one rim to the other? Zero! No energy consumed. No energy consumed means no energy spent. Things *can* move without spending energy. They simply borrow it, then give it all back. Yes, there is indeed a sort of pre-loading then if you want to look at it that way, but the difference between the pre-loading levels at the start and end are ZERO when the points have the same potential. Do you worry about the energy required to bring the ball up to the edge of the salad bowl in the first place? Why? It's not part of the equation at all. The energy efficiency of the system can be very accurately measured by seeing how far the ball rides up the other side when it's cut loose, like Dan's Grand Canyon example. It's merely the net difference that's important. A "-" difference is normal and expected. An "=" is anomalous and probably artifact. A "+", if big enough, is convincing that energy is coming into the system from somewhere. So what is the nature of this pre-loaded energy difference you see between the start and finish of a net-level SMOT track or salad bowl? Is it just the potential friction losses along the way you're talking about, or is it something else? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 20:15:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11914; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:15:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:15:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990126195316.2effbebc@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:53:16 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: SMOT In-Reply-To: <36AE9272.CC3@tiac.net> References: <199901270032.QAA08153@schilling.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EnU71.0.wv2.OBfhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8758 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:13 PM 1/26/99 -0800, Bob wrote: >Here is where your analogy fails to describe the SMOT. > >The ball, waiting at the starting point, is already being effected by >the magnets. >If you were to remove the ball from that point, you would have to use ^^^^^^ ^^^ >extra energy ^^^^^ >to overcome the attraction to the ramp. > If removing the ball requires extra energy, then doesn't placing the ball there result in the system having less energy... being partly in the magnetic attraction well?? Yes the magnetic energy inside the ball is higher, but the magnetic energy in the ball+air is lower - the reason the ball is attracted in the first place. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jan 26 20:15:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11962; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:15:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:15:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990126200700.2eff2eb2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:07:00 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Address....Re: COOL!!!!Re: Uses one WHAT???Re: Capacitor In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.16.19990122231943.1f4705f0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gm1V41.0.iw2.SBfhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8759 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John, At 07:27 PM 1/26/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Dear Dave, > > Do you have... please.... the www or telephone number ... or >other for CFA and CTHA ... a patent number would be GRAND! > > > Thanks... > > JHS >> I found this: >> IAS works with "CIRA" at the U of West Va. So far, their site server has >> not responded. I found for the Contrawound Toroidal Helical Antenna: http://www.cira.wvu.edu/papers.html (The paper is in PDF) Also US patent #4,622,558. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 00:31:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17201; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:30:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:30:58 -0800 Message-ID: <36AEC2BA.5033@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:39:38 +0100 From: Jean-Pierre LENTIN Reply-To: jplentin@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: drdaveor@enter.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: book on TT Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MgdgL.0.gC4.1xihs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8760 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi David & all >I am very interested in the book on Thomas Brown. Is there anyone > who is translating this (or can translate this) into english? Actually the book has 300 pages in French and 200 pages in English. So it's an international version, and I don't think there will be a full English translation. The part about TT Brown' history is in French. Parts in English are about aether physics, Trouton-Noble experiment, Biefeld-Brown effect, contributions of physician Patrick Cornille, new experiments by Cornille and Naudin... The book costs 275 Francs (about 50 $). It's published by the author, Alexandre Szames (47-51 rue d'Aguesseau, 92100 Boulogne, France, tel/fax (33) 141 109 162). His email is : aszames@yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 07:44:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA17939; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:43:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:43:26 -0800 (PST) MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:39:42 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:42:25 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:45:49 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... In-reply-to: <36AE81C9.69E5@tiac.net> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:39:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1915ZXTMF894A X400-MTS-identifier: [;24930172109991/3486495@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"UcdGU3.0.AO4.NGphs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8761 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob, Are you trying to tell us that if we had a vacuum cleaner hose lying on the floor sucking away. Then we placed a steel ball just small enough to go through the tube, right in front of the tube opening. We kill all of the momentum of moving this ball into position by holding it down so that it doesn't go into the tube right away. Then when we release it and it gets sucked up the tube into the canister, that somehow the motor is sped up by our having placed the ball into position? Now granted placing the steel ball into a magnetic field will distort the field creating a change in the energy of the field. But you have to consider is this an increase or decrease in energy? If instead of letting the ball be pulled into the SMOT we pulled it away, would it not now take more energy to pull it out of the magnetic field then it took to put it in? Would this not imply that the energy change to the magnetic field is negative? If instead of stopping the ball at the gate of the SMOT, we move it towards the gate at a fixed energy consumption rate. This energy consumption is strictly determined by the amount of friction is overcome to maintain a fixed momentum energy state. If we were to chart this there would be an inflection point, from fixed to increasing, in the momentum energy of the ball the closer we got to the SMOT, without a corresponding consumption in energy of the motive component. Perhaps we could get a frame by frame speed calculation done from a video tape of this process to show this increase in momentum energy? Or some other speed measuring system. Would this satisfy you that the SMOT is not somehow pre-loading a magnetic spring by placing the ball into starting position? Bill webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 08:11:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA25521; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:11:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <36AF3ABB.F9E2C58E@mail.idt.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:11:48 -0600 From: James Kantorowicz Reply-To: ejtrus19@idt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-mRPz.0.cE6.Rgphs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8762 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To all hello, what is the topic today? I have a web site on a new energy technology if you have interest or the time check it out. http://www.solarattic.com Sincerely, James S. Kantorowicz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 09:00:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA12621; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:00:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:00:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:59:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901271659.IAA29939@schilling.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: More SMOT stuff... Resent-Message-ID: <"QlcN53.0.453.GOqhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8763 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob, you're right when you say: >In your analogy, there is no interaction between the >ball and the ramp prior to the start of the balls >motion. This is not the case with SMOT. So, the analogy does need to be changed a bit (actually I like Rick's salad bowl better, but this one's mine so I'll roll with it): First, I'll carefully lower the ball a few feet down the ramp so it's being pulled in a bit (like the magnet pulling on the ball); measure that as the starting point; then I'll let go of the ball. . . More seriously, as someone suggested last year: one could give the ball a small, known-quantity push from some distance away, just enough to roll it to the start of the ramp. That push can be adjusted so that when there is no magnetic ramp present the ball rolls exactly 1 meter, and then *stops* (due to friction,etc); and then install the ramp at that 1-meter point. Would that appear satisfactory? Dan Quickert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 12:07:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15282; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:06:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:06:54 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <82b8431f.36af70ee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:02:54 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More SMOT stuff... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"uJDOf1.0.ck3.T7ths"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8764 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/26/99 8:02:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, bshannon@tiac.net writes: << John Berry wrote: > As to if it takes energy to get it to the start depends on where from, You can't just > say it takes energy to get to a certain place unless you make it clear where it is > coming from. If I set the ball down onto a compression spring, it would be clear that I'm directly putting that energy there when I compress the spring. Clearly a magnet is not a spring, but we can have a similar effect.>> Just can't resist adding my $.02 worth, it seems: as I understand the starting conditions, when you release the ball (holding it motionless before releasing) it starts moving up the ramp (this is the best way to test for overunity). IF this is true then the ball-magnet has done work on you in the release position, not vise-versa. So if the rails are level and you achieve rollaway that is an indication of overunity because the ball-magnet system contains more energy after the rollaway than at its starting position. On the other hand, if you "nudge" the ball to get it started all bets are off because you don't know how much energy you put into the system to get it started. <> Very true-- Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 12:50:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA28481; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:50:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:50:05 -0800 Message-ID: <36AF6D9D.6BF7@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:48:45 +0100 From: Roger Natanaelsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net Subject: New Antenna - CTHA and new sparkplug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lotsf2.0.sy6.ylths"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8765 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: some intresting reading... http://www.itechfin.com/geisas.htm The Contrawound Toroidal Helical Antenna (CTHA) is US patent number 5,442,369 5,551,853 Where do you find these patents at Internet ? " Now four of our antennas can fit on a postage stamp," Robinson continues, " Soon they will be in GPS receivers in watches. We have managed to create our first antenna on a silicon chip that is one-sixteenth of an inch thick that can lock into six satellites for GPS positioning." I repeat:Soon they will be in GPS receivers in watches. LIKE DICK TRACY WATCH ? The CTHA was invented at West Virginia University, licensed by Emergent Technologies Corporation (ETC) to introduce the revolutionary technology into the government and military marketplace. http://www.itechfin.com/dr.htm RF Quarter wave Coaxial Cavity Resonator Plasma Ignitor US Patent 5,361,737 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 14:55:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA05036 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:55:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:55:48 -0800 X-Envelope-From: robindye@doitnow.com Wed Jan 27 14:55:47 1999 Received: from mail.doitnow.com (mail.doitnow.com [207.98.156.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04971 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:55:42 -0800 Received: from default (dialup5-1-43.doitnow.com [207.211.43.43]) by mail.doitnow.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12939; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:55:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002b01be4a48$994ccac0$2b2bd3cf@default> From: "Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: "Roger Natanaelsson" , Cc: Subject: Exotic Research (Tesla Techn.) Old-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:58:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Thought some of you may be interested in the following information: Posting info per Steve Elswicks request... Robin Dye VisionQuest Productions e-mail: robindye@doitnow.com ______________________________________________________________ Please post the following notice as widely as possible. LAST CHANCE to get the 25% member discount for the Exotic Research Conference March 25-28 in Seattle, WA -- Special offer ends January 31, 1999. To sign up call Steve Elswick (520) 424-3581 NOW. Features Paul Pantone, George Wiseman, Ralph Suddath, Bruce Perreault, Tom Valone and many others...with WORKING DEVICES DEMONSTRATED. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 15:03:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08572 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:03:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:03:25 -0800 X-Envelope-From: robindye@doitnow.com Wed Jan 27 15:03:21 1999 Received: from mail.doitnow.com (mail.doitnow.com [207.98.156.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08530 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:03:20 -0800 Received: from default (dialup5-1-43.doitnow.com [207.211.43.43]) by mail.doitnow.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14824; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:03:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003201be4a49$adf78360$2b2bd3cf@default> From: "Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: "Roger Natanaelsson" , Cc: Subject: Int'l Tesla Soc./Exotic Research Old-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:06:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Hi Everyone! I am forwarding this message to you to clarify some of the postings listed recently on KeelyNet. (response from Steve Elswick re: ITS) Robin Dye VisionQuest Productions e-mail: robindye@doitnow.com Dear Robin, Thanks for the info from the Keelynet... however it is full of misinformation. For starters, JW blames everyone but himself for the Society's problems. Knowing the people who ran the books prior to 1998, EVERY penny spent was accounted for up to the time of departure. Also after Johnnie left (for health reasons), the Society did not keep proper books. The Society owes me $32,000 yet it is not mentioned, however the trustee is fully aware of the debt and it is also listed on their own formm 990s. This is secured debt from the sell of High Energy. As a result, Exotic Research will most likely end up with a significant share of the assets left. As for Joe Champion... this is a character who loves to promise money and then never come through. He never gave the Society any money even though he promised to. I believe he is sincere in that he wants to help, but he doesn't have the wherewithal to follow through. The best thing everyone can do for now is let events work their way through the legal system. I am staying on top of everything (as usual) and will be fully informed as to all the actions taken with regards to the Society. There will be an audit conducted by the trustee... there is no doubt in my mind what they will find. However, I am truly grateful that ITS went through an IRS audit about a year before I left. This audit that occurred during the time I managed it passed with flying colors. Those who are looking for an organization to turn to should consider Exotic Research. Currently, I am doing everything the Society was doing except for the Museum... after all, it was my vision and my long, hard working hours that got the Society to where it was in January of 1996 when I left. Exotic Research is even better than the Society as I have gained a lot more experience and information over the past three years. I sent you a separate email concerning the upcoming Seattle Conference. I want to encourage everyone to attend. We have recaptured the excitement and "zing" of the pre-1996 conferences and everyone is sure to enjoy it. For anyone wanting to contact me can call (520) 424-3581. or check my page at: http://www.exoticresearch.com Thanks again, Steve Elswick Publisher, Exotic Research Report From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 15:48:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA22584; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:46:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:46:47 -0800 Message-ID: <36AFCBFE.2A40@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:31:26 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RwSDh3.0.nW5.dLwhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8766 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > > Bob, > > Are you trying to tell us that if we had a vacuum cleaner hose lying on the > floor sucking away. Then we placed a steel ball just small enough to go > through the tube, right in front of the tube opening. Apples and oranges. A vacuum cleaner is doing work, moving mass with an external source of energy. This is very different from a magnet, even in a SMOT ramp device. > We kill all of the momentum of moving this ball into position by holding it > down so that it doesn't go into the tube right away. > > Then when we release it and it gets sucked up the tube into the canister, > that somehow the motor is sped up by our having placed the ball into > position? No, I'm not saying anything remotely like that at all. > Now granted placing the steel ball into a magnetic field will distort the > field creating a change in the energy of the field. But you have to > consider is this an increase or decrease in energy? Ahhh, now this is getting closer to the point I'm trying to make. The ball is partly magnetized, so you might say that the balls energy is a bit lower than it was prior to being exposed to the magnetic field, but this still misses the point that you expended energy getting the total system, ball and magnetic fields, into this very specific starting condition. So far, all the calculations wrongly assume that this specific starting condition is free, that it takes absolutely zero energy to attain this state. Clearly this is wrong, you have distorted the flux, and changed the total energy equation. In this view, its really does not even matter if the balls energy went down slightly because of the magnetization. After all, we all (should) know that when a magnet picks up a bit if iron, we did not get any free energy in the process. > If instead of letting the ball be pulled into the SMOT we pulled it away, > would it not now take more energy to pull it out of the magnetic field then > it took to put it in? Would this not imply that the energy change to the > magnetic field is negative? No, the 'energy' of the magnetic field is conserved. Energy can be borrowed by distorting the flux, but as you know, its always returned. Well, with the SMOT, you have to burn some energy getting to the starting condition. > If instead of stopping the ball at the gate of the SMOT, we move it towards > the gate at a fixed energy consumption rate. This energy consumption is > strictly determined by the amount of friction is overcome to maintain a > fixed momentum energy state. If we were to chart this there would be an > inflection point, from fixed to increasing, in the momentum energy of the > ball the closer we got to the SMOT, without a corresponding consumption in > energy of the motive component. Nope, this still does not quite work for me. If the ball made it back to the point of origin and remains in motion, then we can claim that some unknown source of energy is overcomming the friction. But a single shot ramp climb is a very tricky thing. Especially if the starting conditions are so critical. > Would this satisfy you that the SMOT is not somehow pre-loading a magnetic > spring by placing the ball into starting position? No. How do you account for the total energy input in the situation you propose? To actually measure this total energy accureatly would not be trivial. Is your 'roll away' going to show more output energy than total input energy? What would this do to the over unity claim in Jean-Louis's calculations? If the energy input goes up, then unless the roll away is longer or higher, its going to reduce the calculated efficiency. We are talking about a very small ammount of energy here (in the claim of O/U operation). There are many effects that have been discussed here before that are not From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 16:03:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA27488; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:02:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:02:19 -0800 Message-ID: <36AFCFA4.3A25@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:47:00 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: More SMOT stuff... References: <199901271659.IAA29939@schilling.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ss1fm2.0.6j6.8awhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8767 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Bob, you're right when you say: > > >In your analogy, there is no interaction between the > >ball and the ramp prior to the start of the balls > >motion. This is not the case with SMOT. > > So, the analogy does need to be changed a bit (actually I like Rick's salad > bowl better, but this one's mine so I'll roll with it): > > First, I'll carefully lower the ball a few feet down the ramp so it's being > pulled in a bit (like the magnet pulling on the ball); measure that as the > starting point; then I'll let go of the ball. Ha, sure, but your ball still is not effecting your ramp like a metal ball in a magnetic field. Try again. > More seriously, as someone suggested last year: one could give the ball a > small, known-quantity push from some distance away, just enough to roll it > to the start of the ramp. That push can be adjusted so that when there is no > magnetic ramp present the ball rolls exactly 1 meter, and then *stops* (due > to friction,etc); and then install the ramp at that 1-meter point. Would > that appear satisfactory? That sure would be more interesting, but even this is not air-tight evidece of O/U operation. My last email seems to have the last sentance clipped off mid-stream, but what I was saying works here too. We are talking about very small ammounts of energy. Last year (or so) there was some discussion about the megnetic energy state of the ball having been changed, there were also discussions of thermal effects, and other very tough measurment problems. None of these factors appears in the calculations claiming over unity. Now if the thing keeps going and going, we have a really strong case to make that the startup energy is unimportant, but you simply cannot claim this for a single shot event. In this case, even the claims of constant operation did state that the thing eventually stopped for some reason, so the total energy equation problem remains to this day, even accepting the claims at face value. The way the recent calculations are done, I can make a mouse trap far more efficient than the SMOT! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 16:32:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA11088; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:30:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:30:41 -0800 Message-ID: <003501be4a55$4cc35d60$3b736bce@sandys> From: sandys@tcia.net (Sandy Strauss) To: Subject: black holes Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:25:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"rQhfa3.0.4j2.m-whs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8768 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Probably a common message floating around in free energy mailing lists. But does anyone know if it is possible to actually penetrate into a blackhole? Due to the doubling theory (speed doubles as well as gravity to a black hole) can something ever penetrate the horizon? Or will it be instantly destroyed due to forces of gravity? And does anyone know the chances of a student as my self landing a position later in life in the wonderful world of astrophysics? -Jonathan Strauss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 16:32:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA11218; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:31:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:31:12 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? Message-Id: <917483184.18494.483@excite.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:26:24 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"96n_v2.0.9l2.F_whs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8769 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:24:30 -0600, Joe Portman Sr. wrote: > Harvey, > Was your cup ceramic ? In radio frequency sputtering, a blocked high volt > radio frequency causes ceramic to become conductive. > I wonder if this plays a roll in your experiment. > Joe Portman > ====================== >HDN The container was polyethylene. I am working with the uses of poly in my current work of building an electrolysis vessel able to hold pressure and duplicate browns gas effect. These days I dont have a lot of time to answer the phone.The nice thing about poly is that it is probably the most versatile material to work with and plan your own design by fabrication. The plastic welder uses forced heated nitrogen gas to lay down joints from strand. > > > I took a 4" by 6" ceramic magnet and placed a square tupperware > container > > > filled with ordinary water on the face of the magnet. Then I taped > > aluminum > > > foil to two of the opposite sides of the container,(on the outside,not > > > touching the water). These connections went to a high voltage, high > > > frequency electric field (from the binary arc gap method) > > >> Making my own reply again I would add that in this stage of > > >In this old cited instance I only used an ordinary plastic container. However in my experience of using insulators I found out that concrete can become conductive at high frequencies. I used to use a set of copper bars set apart for an arc gap in operation for a tesla coil primary. This is a loud hissing white arc, you are never suppossed to touch this part of the circuit becase it can electrocute you with the high amperage volume. Normally I always used wood as the insulator that the bars rested on, but one time I used concrete. I was amazed that instead of the arc gap across air forming: both bars penetrated the concrete instead. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 17:00:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23193; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:58:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:58:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199901280058.TAA29828@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:58:07 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3KD6b3.0.Hg5.9Pxhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8770 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > like there is no pre-loading here, but your a long way from proving your > case. Hi, I recall, there is several patents about magnetic propulsion systems concerning a ball, a track and permanent magnets. Gregg Watson was impeached in his attempt so sell his systems because it infringed another patent. I guess if it's patenented it's gotta work. You can't patent a system that doesn't work, that would be a desing patent (just good for art). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 17:19:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA16269; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:18:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:18:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901280117.TAA06041@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:59:46 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pz34N3.0.5-3.Jhxhs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8772 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Harvey, Your experiments are very interesting. The one with the foils on the container remind me of a low volt liquid level device used on civilian aircraft to monitor fuel,etc. I don't remember the co who made them, I just remember a co I was with used them. As to the concrete, it could be residual moisture or as I said before, the effect of blocked high rf making it conductive. Which do you think it is, since you are the close observer ? Joe =============================================== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:26 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 17:19:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA16172; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:18:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:18:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901280117.TAA06049@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:16:32 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CRMEg2.0.Zy3.8hxhs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8771 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Jonathon, Black holes are a puzzle. I believe that all matter, due to it's speed, converts to energy before it rests at the center. Since even light cannot escape, it proves to me that even energy is subject to gravity. The center is comprised of compressed energy. People will argue, but you might have to go there to find out. Think about this; Our number system is used successfully to describe to each other (part of our alphabet) what we think things to be. We have zero at the center of all our + numbers and our - numbers,....to infinity. They all cancel each other out, leaving zero, which is nothing, which is then everything. Even God said he made the world from nothing. These are just my own thoughts and I hope that they help you realize you must listen and learn much, but always do your own thinking. A great man said, "We are what we are by imitation" When we are young we imitate our parents, then our peers, and those above us whom we admire. Thru this striving we become what we wish. You have every chance in the world to be an astrophysist. I say good luck and the Force be with you. Joe Portman ========================== ============ ---------- > From: Sandy Strauss > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: black holes > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:25 PM > > Probably a common message floating around in free energy mailing lists. But > does anyone know if it is possible to actually penetrate into a blackhole? > Due to the doubling theory (speed doubles as well as gravity to a black > hole) can something ever penetrate the horizon? Or will it be instantly > destroyed due to forces of gravity? > > And does anyone know the chances of a student as my self landing a position > later in life in the wonderful world of astrophysics? > > -Jonathan Strauss > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 17:48:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA11239; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:47:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:47:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199901280147.UAA11801@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:06:47 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wp36w3.0.Wl2.l6yhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8773 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Probably a common message floating around in free energy mailing lists. But > does anyone know if it is possible to actually penetrate into a blackhole? > Due to the doubling theory (speed doubles as well as gravity to a black > hole) can something ever penetrate the horizon? Or will it be instantly > destroyed due to forces of gravity? Physicists do that all day long, with their Cray 2 computers from Cray systems, they can simulate with great accuracy anything they want. Why bother building a space ship to go on a potential suicide mission when you can do whatever you want with a few lines of code. > And does anyone know the chances of a student as my self landing a position > later in life in the wonderful world of astrophysics? My dear friend remember this: WITH WILL YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING !!! Where there's a will...there's an A. Where there's will... there's success. If you have will, you won't not even ask this question, your will is going to answer it for you. Do you want badly enough to go in astrophysisics...Yes? then my friend I predict that tomorrow you will be a summum, the king in the astrophysics community. Not only this, you will have a super quantum computer to do all the calculations and assist you in all the details, research and math. and you will have your own web site and people will read about your theories and experiments every day, you will be bigger than stephen hawking and albert einstein...If you WANT. I wish you success, prosperity and a leading place in astrophysics research. Patrick Tremblay out. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 17:53:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14302; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:52:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:52:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Old black car.....Re: More SMOT stuff... In-Reply-To: <199901271659.IAA29939@schilling.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ewVd11.0.JV3.uByhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8774 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If you placed the ball ... by ANY means.... near the beginning of the SMOT ... and then the SMOT dragged it up ... and then a series of SMOTs returned the ball to the beginning... then the ball went round and round.... it would not matter... J On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Dan Quickert wrote: > Bob, you're right when you say: > > >In your analogy, there is no interaction between the > >ball and the ramp prior to the start of the balls > >motion. This is not the case with SMOT. > > So, the analogy does need to be changed a bit (actually I like Rick's salad > bowl better, but this one's mine so I'll roll with it): > > First, I'll carefully lower the ball a few feet down the ramp so it's being > pulled in a bit (like the magnet pulling on the ball); measure that as the > starting point; then I'll let go of the ball. > . > . > More seriously, as someone suggested last year: one could give the ball a > small, known-quantity push from some distance away, just enough to roll it > to the start of the ramp. That push can be adjusted so that when there is no > magnetic ramp present the ball rolls exactly 1 meter, and then *stops* (due > to friction,etc); and then install the ramp at that 1-meter point. Would > that appear satisfactory? > > Dan Quickert > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 17:55:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA15629; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:55:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:55:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199901280155.UAA13846@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:54:46 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h2LJ-3.0.6q3.OEyhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8775 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Since even light cannot > escape, it proves to me that even energy is subject to gravity. Simple, Energy = Power * Time. Since black holes have such an intense, powerful and dense gravity fields, time is much slower so that means much less energy because power is multiplied by much less time at a time...tricky ? Let's just assume that black holes are comprised of PURE power, when I say power I mean a force, no time and no energy. but Power = Energy/ time So this means that power is immense but energy is weak. But I have a question, how would you explain something made of infinite, PURE power but no energy and no time ????? regards, Patrick Tremblay From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 18:56:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06116; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:55:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:55:41 -0800 Message-ID: <36AFD25D.2A1A1620@ghiocel.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:58:38 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WyGs8.0.TV1.i6zhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8776 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > > Bob, > > Are you trying to tell us that if we had a vacuum cleaner hose lying on the > floor sucking away. Then we placed a steel ball just small enough to go > through the tube, right in front of the tube opening. > > We kill all of the momentum of moving this ball into position by holding it > down so that it doesn't go into the tube right away. > Due to the sucking effect of the vacuum cleaner and your holding, it looks like the ball now has a potential energy, ready to work to push the ball into the tube. > Then when we release it and it gets sucked up the tube into the canister, > that somehow the motor is sped up by our having placed the ball into > position? > As soon as you release the ball, the above potential energy changes into kinetic energy of movement inside the vacuum cleaner hose. So the initial potential energy works for the movement of the ball through the system and not against it. Is not this model similar with a sling shot? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 19:21:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15807; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:21:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:21:16 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: <58e580d4.36afd479@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:07:37 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: black holes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"tk574.0.Ls3.eUzhs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8777 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jonathan. If you start to figure out the gravitational pull whose escape velocity is getting to C. You will find out that the difference between 6 feet is so strong that you will be torn apart. Happy landing. :-) Yes, there is a possibility for you to become an astrophysicist. And if you are really good, you even may be able get bread & butter on the field. :-) Good Luck. Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 20:06:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02684; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:06:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:06:23 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: keelynet@dallastexas.net Subject: Polar capacities Message-Id: <917496359.1693.64@excite.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:05:59 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"U8wWm2.0.Yf.z8-hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8778 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Polar Capacity of a House Our house uses aluminum siding. This represents a somewhat easily accessable massive metallic surface area for experiments for polar (one ended capacity) experiments. I have found that some discrepancies may occur in the definition of a polar capacity. The definition I have seen states that a sphere of 900,000 cm radius,~161,000cm/mile=5.6mile, equals one microfarad. This quantity I interpret as meaning a sphere then of 11.2 miles diameter uses that surface area as a one ended capacity equal in effects to that of an ordinary capacitor of 1 microfarad. Thus the actual one ended capacity of the small area contained by aluminum siding should be an infinitisible figure.In my experimental observations I noted the larger the surface area the better the one ended capacity. Thus the prospect of using the house siding sounded like a big is better idea. I found that a neon bulb between the exciting BRS input and the polar capacity on the aluminum siding on the house caused it to pulse in lighting, rather than in continuous delivery as was the case from earlier small scale experiments with neon bulbs acting as a load between one ended or polar capacities.At this point in the process a metal pole was driven into the ground and its action as as a polar capacity was noted to be the same as the house siding ; which makes us wonder if this definition of surface area corresponding to polar capacity is realistic at all. The significant thing here is that this experiment finally shows that the resonant capacity of the ground can easily be shown to interact at 8-10 pulses per second, when driven from high frequencies from this kind of system.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 21:05:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA26124; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:05:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:05:47 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? Message-Id: <917499924.18645.253@excite.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:05:24 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"MMgdP.0.-N6.g0_hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8779 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Oh Joe I tried some mixtures of cement and ferrite and another cystalline additive that gave me higher dielectric constant values than water itself. I have found this excite.com address to be entirely disfunctional AND have had difficulty placing entrees to the group so I will try to send this one another if it works HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 21:08:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA03332; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:08:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:08:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007301be4a7b$fbfc4780$5af219d0@sandys> From: sandys@tcia.net (Sandy Strauss) To: Subject: perpetual motion Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:06:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE4A52.069D5320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"GkZ1v3.0.yp.x2_hs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8780 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE4A52.069D5320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, anything is possible. Perpetual motion is possible too? We humans = must not be smart enough to figure it out. But i have seen a book that = proposes that a perpetual machine is possible. If this is so, free = energy for everyone, the world itself would change. We could travel to = the farthest galaxies with no energy wasted. This book i speak of is by = John Collins "Perpetual Motion: an ancient mystery solved" "Was a perpetual Motion machine constructed in 1712? Did the inventor = leave secret instructions for building another one? Is there a free = source of energy available to mankind now? Was a similar machine = constructed seven thousand years ago? What connection does such a = device have with current research into anti-gravity machines? Is it = against orthodox science? =20 Johann Bessler claimed in 1712, that he had discovered the secret of = perpetual motion. Startling new evidence recently found in unpublished = documents seems to vindicate his claims. Paistaking research into these = claims and a study of a precise tests carried out add dramatic new = details whcih prove beyond doubt that a from of energy-generation which = appears to be perpetual motion is possible..." (source:Lindsey = publications) is this possible? has anyone ever heard of this inventor? does anyone know of the book? so many questions... -Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE4A52.069D5320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, anything is possible.  = Perpetual motion is=20 possible too?  We humans must not be smart enough to figure it = out. =20 But i have seen a book that proposes that a perpetual machine is = possible. =20 If this is so, free energy for everyone, the world itself would = change.  We=20 could travel to the farthest galaxies with no energy wasted.  This = book i=20 speak of is by John Collins "Perpetual Motion: an ancient mystery=20 solved"
"Was a perpetual Motion machine = constructed in=20 1712?  Did the inventor leave secret instructions for building = another=20 one?  Is there a free source of energy available to mankind = now?  Was=20 a similar machine constructed seven thousand years ago?  What = connection=20 does such a device have with current research into anti-gravity = machines? =20 Is it against orthodox science? 
    Johann Bessler = claimed in 1712,=20 that he had discovered the secret of perpetual motion.  Startling = new=20 evidence recently found in unpublished documents seems to vindicate = his=20 claims.  Paistaking research into these claims and a study of a = precise=20 tests carried out add dramatic new details whcih prove beyond doubt that = a from=20 of energy-generation which appears to be perpetual motion is = possible..."=20 (source:Lindsey publications)
 
is this possible?
has anyone ever heard of this=20 inventor?
does anyone know of the = book?
so many questions...
-Jonathan
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE4A52.069D5320-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 21:13:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA29662; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:13:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:13:30 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Water weight Message-Id: <917500388.17999.832@excite.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:13:08 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"hqORX.0.FF7.v7_hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8781 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Weighing the weight of powdered mixture and water to make cement beforehand and then afterwards reveals two things. One less weight exists in the finished product. That is the vanished evaporation of the water, but a highly significant portion of water weight has gone into the cement itself as a consequence of the curing chemical reaction.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 21:26:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02996; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:26:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:26:14 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Ferrite/cement mixture Message-Id: <917501149.23305.392@excite.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:25:49 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"jIDRa.0.fk.rJ_hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8782 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It is most unfortunate that I am using this vagabond free mail service known as excite.com and I would urge no one to do this. Your entree may never reach its destination, you may be caught adrift, you just dont know what will happen next. I mixed ferrite with cement to make a superior dielectric as I mentioned in another short entree before my log in expires and all is nought. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 21:45:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA10453; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:45:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:45:01 -0800 Message-ID: <36AFFC46.2E51@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:57:26 -0600 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: sandys@tcia.net Subject: Re: perpetual motion References: <007301be4a7b$fbfc4780$5af219d0@sandys> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------63022C54798C" Resent-Message-ID: <"RdQ4w1.0.EZ2.Sb_hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8783 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------63022C54798C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sandy et al! You asked about 'perpetual motion'..the term is quite misleading but assuming the parts did not wear out, there is indeed perpetual motion as we see in the orbit of planets and motion of electrons and other ceaseless particles in space. It's mostly a semantics argument but to date, I've never heard of a working PPM that I or anyone I know directly has had a chance to witness, test and verify. As to John Collin's book, it is a masterful work and very thorough. 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Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, sandys@tcia.net Subject: Re: perpetual motion References: <007301be4a7b$fbfc4780$5af219d0@sandys> <36AFFC46.2E51@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WbsUW2.0.pU3.5j_hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8784 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Sandy et al! I forgot to mention about that animated diagram, the author says the center of gravity of this design has been calculated to appear at the red dot, making the unit continually out of balance so that it spins from gravity. The trick of course is friction and the reloading of the balls so they can fall again...but its a fascinating display... -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 22:02:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA19184; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:02:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:02:33 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Strontium Ferrite Message-Id: <917503333.12057.103@excite.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:02:13 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ag48Y.0.fh4.vr_hs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8785 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: While not generally realized the same great substance that is used in these ceramic magnets also has a high dielectric constant; I know because I purchased a quantity of this substance in an unmagnetised form and tested it myself. The purpose for making an identical ferrite/ cement mixture in quality was the hope that a dielectric imprint could be made during its curing similar to the way strontium ferrite recieves a magnetic imprint during magnetisation. There will be a lot of disagreement upon this subject but concievably a sample of strontium ferrite MIGHT be magnetised in rotation to contain an AC imprint under specialized conditions. However the volume of magnetizing force is very great to do that and this idea might fall under the category of science fiction. But whoever makes these kind of magnets first; If they are not an idiot they will immediately expose them as a discovery. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jan 27 22:40:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA30125; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:39:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:39:58 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Polar capacities Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:39:48 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36b405f7.727756927@24.192.1.20> References: <917496359.1693.64@excite.com> In-Reply-To: <917496359.1693.64@excite.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MCGG53.0.UM7.zO0is"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8786 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:05:59 PST, Harvey Norris wrote: [snip] >a load between one ended or polar capacities.At this point in the process a >metal pole was driven into the ground and its action as as a polar capacity >was noted to be the same as the house siding ; which makes us wonder if this [snip] Are you sure that the siding isn't grounded somewhere? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 07:57:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24513; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:57:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:57:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199901281557.JAA09884@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Water weight Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:48 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GNW6w1.0.t-5.xZ8is"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8787 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey, Your'e right about where the water went. Did you know that concrete is lighter than aluminum ? Just a tidbit. Joe =================================== === ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Water weight > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 11:13 PM > > Weighing the weight of powdered mixture and water to make cement beforehand > and then afterwards reveals two things. One less weight exists in the > finished product. That is the vanished evaporation of the water, but a > highly significant portion of water weight has gone into the cement itself > as a consequence of the curing chemical reaction.HDN > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 08:15:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA00435; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:15:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:15:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199901281615.KAA01514@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:07:43 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SvQrj.0.P6.Rq8is"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8788 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Well said, Patrick. ============== ---------- > From: Patrick Tremblay > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: black holes > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 8:06 PM > > > > > > > And does anyone know the chances of a student as my self landing a > position > > later in life in the wonderful world of astrophysics? > > My dear friend remember this: WITH WILL YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING !!! > Where there's a will...there's an A. Where there's will... there's success. > > If you have will, you won't not even ask this question, your will is going > to answer it for you. Do you want badly enough to go in > astrophysisics...Yes? then my friend I predict that tomorrow you will be a > summum, the king in the astrophysics community. > > Not only this, you will have a super quantum computer to do all the > calculations and assist you in all the details, research and math. and you > will have your own web site and people will read about your theories and > experiments every day, you will be bigger than stephen hawking and albert > einstein...If you WANT. > > I wish you success, prosperity and a leading place in astrophysics > research. > > Patrick Tremblay out. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 09:21:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA24404; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:21:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <002001be4ae1$ab902440$9d37a8cf@dwenbert.spacey.net> Reply-To: "dwenbert" From: "dwenbert" To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Mattias" , "Vince Goetsch" <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, Subject: Re: [Fwd: Urine Batteries] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:14:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mDrMu2.0.Bz5.bo9is"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8789 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Can you please tell us the name of the supplier of the battery >and-or how to get in touch with them? > The URL for an inexpensive, simple, and reliable urine battery is: http://kimkor.com/cg/battery/ through a company called Alexander Associates, which appears to be only a manufacturer's representative. This unit is only $90 each, and can be used to jump start cars when needed (it stores dry). There is also Nelson Camus' "Neltron" battery, which costs $1,400 and uses [now] an 'extract' of urine salts which you have to buy from his company. Previously, it had been characterized as accepting the fluid in its 'natural state'. If that isn't enough to p*ss you off, I don't know what will...... ;-) David L. Wenbert The Great Power & Light Company A Gaian Renaissance Organisation From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 09:58:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA06580; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:58:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:58:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990128094904.23af2ec8@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:49:04 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Polar capacities In-Reply-To: <917496359.1693.64@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JiscJ1.0.ac1.BLAis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8790 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:05 PM 1/27/99 PST, Harvey wrote: >Polar Capacity of a House >Our house uses aluminum siding. This represents a somewhat easily accessable >massive metallic surface area for experiments for polar (one ended capacity) >experiments. I have found that some discrepancies may occur in the >definition of a polar capacity. The definition I have seen states that a >sphere of 900,000 cm radius,~161,000cm/mile=5.6mile, equals one microfarad. >This quantity I interpret as meaning a sphere then of 11.2 miles diameter >uses that surface area as a one ended capacity equal in effects to that of >an ordinary capacitor of 1 microfarad. The house siding is not far away from the earth, water pipes, wiring, etc, like the model of a spherical capacitor is. It may be connected to ground by a leaky dielectric, wood, or actually grounded as Robin said. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 13:35:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03461; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:35:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:35:34 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:30:15 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:33:01 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:19:54 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? In-reply-to: <199901280117.TAA06041@mw3.texas.net> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:30:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1914ZXTNNKSON X400-MTS-identifier: [;51036182109991/3490583@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"gMFyk2.0.zr.cWDis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8791 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Joe & Harvey, Correct me if I am off base here but isn't the hardening process of cement a form of crystallization. Would this microcrystaline structure have a range of harmonic resonant frequencies based on the size of the crystal, corresponding to the quarter wavelength of the frequency. A natural rf receiver/conductor like the old quartz radios. > As to the concrete, it could be residual moisture or as I said before, >the effect of blocked high rf making it conductive. Which do you think it >is, since you are the close observer ? Joe Bill webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 15:41:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15719; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:41:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:41:05 -0800 Message-ID: <36B11C28.4757@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:25:44 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <199901280058.TAA29828@express.globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lC5u_2.0.Rr3.FMFis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8792 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Tremblay wrote: > > > like there is no pre-loading here, but your a long way from proving your > > case. > > Hi, > > I recall, there is several patents about magnetic propulsion systems > concerning a ball, a track and permanent magnets. > > Gregg Watson was impeached in his attempt so sell his systems because it > infringed another patent. > > I guess if it's patenented it's gotta work. You can't patent a system that > doesn't work, that would be a desing patent (just good for art). Sadly there is no shortage of patented, but quite non-functional devices. A patent in and of itself is no evidence for the device or its claims. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 18:45:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA15708; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:45:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:45:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199901290245.UAA25535@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:44:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pLW9S.0.Lr3.G3Iis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8793 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, The crystals of the cement are so chaotic or disarranged, that 2000psi cement won't ring. There is cement at 6000psi and greater that is very hard and might ring. I don't know where you can get a microscope view, but you would see the dif, nothing like nature made crystals........But maybe there's enough organization there to do what you say. Joe =========================== ---------- > From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > To: freenrg-l > Subject: Re: Experimental results; 1996? > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 3:19 PM > > Joe & Harvey, > > Correct me if I am off base here but isn't the hardening process of cement a > form of crystallization. Would this microcrystaline structure have a range of > harmonic resonant frequencies based on the size of the crystal, corresponding to > the quarter wavelength of the frequency. A natural rf receiver/conductor like > the old quartz radios. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 19:02:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA22430; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:02:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:02:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199901290302.VAA23776@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:01:37 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ifFfz.0.GU5.9JIis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8794 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick, The PURE POWER that you speak of can only be God. I am one of those who cannot do science with out thinking of Him constantly. Joe ================ ---------- > From: Patrick Tremblay > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: black holes > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 8:54 PM > > >Since even light cannot > > escape, it proves to me that even energy is subject to gravity. > > Simple, > > Energy = Power * Time. > > Since black holes have such an intense, powerful and dense gravity fields, > time is much slower so that means much less energy because power is > multiplied by much less time at a time...tricky ? > > Let's just assume that black holes are comprised of PURE power, when I say > power I mean a force, no time and no energy. > > but Power = Energy/ time > > So this means that power is immense but energy is weak. > > But I have a question, how would you explain something made of infinite, > PURE power but no energy and no time ????? > > regards, > > Patrick Tremblay > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 19:31:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA32598; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:31:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:31:54 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:15:05 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Searl Effect Generator Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"xbQIO2.0.Dz7.fkIis"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8795 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.tako.demon.co.uk/seg.html The Searl Effect Generator (S.E.G.) is a magnetic prime mover that operates without friction. The S.E.G. generates electricity that is capable of supplying power to the home or industry. When used in an Inverse-G Vehicle (I.G.V.), the S.E.G. generates a gravitational field around the craft which can be directed for flight. Prof. John Searl is the ONLY man in history to have built and flown an I.G.V., an inverse gravity device. These were recorded by the BBC and the media. The BBC ran a weekly piece on this work and its progress for almost a year. The TV broadcasts showed the I.G.V. in flight. The power source is used for flight or to generate electricity with no apparent input. EXISTING LAWS OF PHYSICS are used in a new application. The technology is based on a coherent number system called the LAW OF THE SQUARES. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 20:29:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA20731; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:29:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:29:08 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:19:24 EST To: John Schnurer Cc: UNIR2B1@aol.com, candace1@usa.net, Mike Connolly , DD <11111119@lava.net>, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, ark@Millennium-ark.net, "Dennis C. Lee" , biotron@pacbell.net, powerfd@gte.net, Serwitz@aol.com, celiag@email.com, michael romack , cturner@npwt.net, Carolyn , dawnames@hotmail.com, Diane Durham-Bothwell , Reality_Pump2@onelist.com, donadams@telusplanet.net, dwenbert@spacey.net, Mattias , freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, goldbug@worldaccessnet.com, Heather and Andrew Tinley , "John H.St.John" , David House , JADE , "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , jkinsley@beyond-the-illusion.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, PetMagic@aol.com, Julie Reiner , Thomas Spellman , lizardhaven@zippnet.net, lkvp@mail.awod.com, Plasmatic , Terri Schoolden , UNIR2B1NM@aol.com, markland@rockisland.com, murrayjm@juno.com, piercemark@hotmail.com, nhne@nhne.com, oleprospector@worldaccessnet.com, ponski@soft-link.com, Quinney , richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, rtoler@cland.net, Robin van Spaandonk , SedonaY2K@mail-list.com, seer7@netusa1.net, "George A. Abbott" , Sharon , Shekhina Canyon , spot , Tom , Henri Calitri , John Michaels , trknute@earthlink.net, UFOLAWYER1@aol.com, visited@onelist.com, Marsha Doyenne , werosser@hotmail.com, bill@basselectronics.com, WhiteDove , John Berry , y2k-survival@infostream.net, Y2K , David Openheimer Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Me too! ...Re: Intentional community Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"7dgvz2.0.i35.JaJis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8796 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-01-25 20:58:43 EST, you write: > I too would like this info.... > Thanks, Dear John Schnurer and lists, I fielded my initial posts, re: 'Progressive Community', last summer; perhaps I should again broadcast the call for like-minded (i.e., collaborative, problem-solving) people to congregate within a common location, so as not to be sundered in the looming event of long-term telecommunications failure or even gov't-imposed travel restrictions. NOT REALLY OFF TOPIC: Many interpret the current global predicament (economic, ecological, moral) in light of prophecy. If I were to sermonize, I'd cite Revelations 11:18--"...thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead...that thou shouldest...destroy them which destroy the earth." The "dead" are distinguished from "the quick" in the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:15-), which is summarized in Mark 4:25--"For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath." IOW, everything compounds itself (like, but not limited to, Nietche's "will to power" doctrine): the bad worsens, exacerbating depletion; and the good ('fruitful') increases ("Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over..." Luke 6:38). ON TOPIC: Accordingly, sane horticulture enriches the soil 20%/yr.; corporate agriculture depletes it in 5. Hydrogen combustion enriches atmospheric O2 content; fossil fuels jeopardize even current, meager levels. It’s not that the Earth is God, but that warming oneself by burning down the house is “double minded” (James 1:8). Real “Y2K preparation”, then, should revolve around replacing suicidal systems with sane ones, developing and implementing sustainable systems of water, food, & energy production. "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12) "Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing...he will make him ruler over all that he hath." (Luke 12:43, 4) Our planetary problems are being worked out over long-distance forums like this; however, the worst-case scenario calls for knowledgeable, innovative people to aggregate their equipment & research projects into a safe place of mutual accessibility. According to various “future maps”, NE Alabama is comparatively safe from earthquakes and oceanic flooding. The climate, although hot in July & Aug., could stand greater extremes in either direction, in the event of ‘Earth changes’. The people here still evince the congeniality of the "Bible belt", without the disreputable closed-mindedness. This is a rural area with access to a town of decent size. Should the SHTF, marauders would never survive this far into the surrounding, well-armed area. After a good rain, we even have running creeks fed by the Lookout Mt. foothills. These 40 acres are situated between two dead-end, gravel roads for privacy. Innovators who seek to confront and avert hardships of the millennial transition, rather than to merely cowering from them, and who wish to relocate their research from urban areas to a rural, 'scientific haven', should contact me @ 256-546-5945. Thanks. Regards, Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 22:14:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA31648; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:13:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:13:53 -0800 Message-ID: <002101be4b4d$dfe45240$143319d0@thomas> From: "Thomas" To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:09:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zuz8t3.0.Ok7.W6Lis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8797 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Joe Portman Sr. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 7:13 PM Subject: Re: black holes >> Let's just assume that black holes are comprised of PURE power, when I >say >> power I mean a force, no time and no energy. >> >> but Power = Energy/ time >> >> So this means that power is immense but energy is weak. >> >> But I have a question, how would you explain something made of infinite, >> PURE power but no energy and no time ????? >> >> regards, >> >> Patrick Tremblay Superconduction is described as being pure current with no voltage and therefore no power, but is immense, almost, or fully, infinite, energy. So perhaps the blackholes are immense energy with almost no power or time. Doesn't power imply the presence of resistance? I recently read a metaphor for current and voltage being like the volume (diameter) of a water pipe and the pressure of the water, respectively. But pressure is not present without a resistance to the water (more or less). But is current still present without resistance? Even more so, it seems. Also, there is a subtle radiation detected from black holes, which might be an indicator of a transmutation of matter, even light, into a "purer" energy, (possibly current?) According to your equation: power = energy / time, therefore energy = power * time, therefore energy must be stronger than either power or time. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jan 28 23:02:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA14412; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:02:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:02:20 -0800 Message-ID: <001401be4b56$7bd3c7a0$b1f8fea9@eugene-buchanan> From: "Eugene Buchanan" To: Subject: Thoughts about high energy particles Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:10:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ECgdp2.0.1X3.xpLis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8798 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to create a circuit that generates a wide band high energy vortex field that attracts high energy particles such as cosmic and gamma rays into it creating a feedback loop that you can siphon energy out of at the rate it enters while maintaining the resonate field? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 07:48:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA03882; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:48:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:48:44 -0800 Message-ID: <19990129153632.26072.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: [Off-Topic] Analog Computing To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"9YbnQ3.0.Iy.QXTis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8799 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello All, Sorry for the off-topic post, but I thought someone in the group might have some insight on analog computing. I am looking for info and circuits for extended analog computers, Lukasiewicz Logic Arrays, or analog field computers. Current research areas include realtime analog process control, vision, robotics, and neural networks. I have found several folks working with VLSI analog control systems, but am more interested in building something with Radio-Shack components...or perhaps analog FPGA [actually FPAA]. Can't justify the cost of a VLSI one-off right now...[yes I know -- MOSIS can make tinychips for $500 or so...but I'd rather spend that on something like a FPAA I can re-configure at first] I am just a hobbiest, so no intentions of building a product or anything. Just want to play with analog computing....on a small budget. Anyone have experience with this? == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 08:30:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23158; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:29:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Detecting and shielding Torsion radiation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dWNKg.0.bf5.18Uis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8800 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: See below, also see http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/doc15.html ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L Yu.V.Nachalov, E.A.Parkhomov. Experimental detection of the torsion field. Torsion fields are extremely unusual objects of investigation. Since a torsion field is identical to the transverse spin polarization of the physical vacuum, and a gravitational field is identical to the longitudinal spin polarization of the physical vacuum [1], then some properties of torsion fields are identical to the properties of gravitational fields. For instance, experiments show that torsion fields cannot be shielded by natural media, and in this way their behavior is similar to that of gravitational fields [2]. However, unlike gravitational fields which cannot be shielded even by artificial materials, torsion fields are shielded by artificial materials possessing orthonormal topology of structure. In practice, it is possible to screen torsion radiation with lengths of stretched polyethylene film commonly produced by industry. This film is manufactured in such a manner that the polymers form an aligned unidirectional structure. The unidirectional orientation of the polymers results in a molecular spin ordering. And this results in the generation of a collective torsion field. Two crossed polyethylene films are transparent to light, and are transparent to most of the radio-frequency spectrum. However, they can effectively shield torsion radiation. Fig. 1 Torsion generator within a shielded enclosure In experiments with torsion generators, apparently the main difficulty lies in verifying that the generated radiation actually is torsion radiation. To confirm the nature of the generated emission, the following experiments can be performed (Fig.1). A torsion generator 1 is shielded by a screen 2 (the screen should effectively shield EM radiation to make sure that the generated radiation has a nonelectromagnetic nature). Detectors 3 and 4 are two pieces of tungsten wire. Detector 3 is placed left of the torsion generator, and detector 4 is placed to the right of the torsion generator as depicted in Fig.1. Before turning the generator 1 on, the electrical resistance of each detector (3 and 4) should be measured. (The spin structure of tungsten is altered significantly if it is subjected to the influence of torsion radiation. As a result of spin structure change, the electrical resistance of tungsten will also change. Other substances can be used as detectors as well, but the magnitude of changes to tungsten's electrical resistance influence of torsion radiation is greater than that of other substances. Detectors made of tungsten wire were first utilized by N.A.Kozyrev, and later by A.I.Veinik, A.V.Chernetsky and others.) Fig. 2 Spatial configuration of the emitted torsion field The spatial configuration of a torsion field as generated by an object with a torque is depicted on Fig.2. (It should be noted that the generator 1 (an object having torque) generates only a "right" or a "left" torsion field depending on the sense of the torque (i.e. depending on the direction of rotation). The generated torsion field lacks the radial symmetry of electromagnetic or gravitational fields, but instead has axial symmetry (i.e. the torsion field has cone-shaped spatial configuration). Fig.2 shows the situation when a "right" torsion field is generated. If the torque is reversed, then a "left" torsion field having the same spatial configuration is generated.) In Fig.2 the torsion generator 1 is turned on, and a torsion field acts upon the detectors 3 and 4. The duration of the influence needed alter the spin structure of objects 3 and 4 depends upon the intensity of the generated torsion radiation. After the objects 3 and 4 have been affected by torsion radiation, the generator can be turned off and the electrical resistance of both detectors measured. (The resistance measurement can be performed not only after the generator is turned off, but also during the operation of the generator as well.) Fig. 3 The torsion fields are not shielded by parallel films of aligned PE After the intensity of the influence is determined, i.e. after establishing the fact that the radiation created by generator 1 is of nonelectromagnetic nature (since the generator is shielded), and determining that it is able to change the electric resistance of detectors 3 and 4, the next experiment can be performed (Fig.3). A torsion polarizer 5 (e.g. the polyethylene film) is placed between generator 1 and detector 3. Another torsion polarizer 6 is placed between generator 1 and detector 4. If polarizers 5 and 6 have unidirectional orientation of torsion fields (this situation is depicted in Fig.3), then the influence of the torsion fields generated by generator 1 still can be detected. This situation is identical to the earlier situation where no polarizers were utilized. In this case, both detectors are influenced by the torsion field being created by generator 1. (This fact can be verified by measuring the electrical resistance of detectors 3 and 4.) But if the orientation of any of the polarizers is changed to an orthogonal position in relation to another polarizer (Fig.4) then neither detector is influenced by the torsion field. Thus the observed situation can be interpreted as "locking" of the spin-polarized space between polarizers 5 and 6, as though this space behaves as a solid body. (The first experimental verification of this effect was performed by V.D.Pronin [3].) Fig. 4 The torsion fields are shielded if one PE film is rotated 90deg Changes in electrical resistance of various conductors is not the only effect of the influence of torsion fields. It is necessary to emphasize that torsion fields can be detected by a variety of methods. The influence of a torsion field upon a physical material results in the change of a spin state of only this material, but alterations of the spin state of the physical vacuum can result in changes to a light beam's polarization angle, and change to the spin state of a substance can result in alterations of its magnetizability, Hall's coefficient, thermal conduction, and other properties. Since changes in the spin state of an electrical conductor may result in the alteration of its electrical resistance, then an elementary torsion field detector can be based upon a comparison bridge (Wheatstone bridge). This type of detector was first utilized by N.A.Kozyrev [4], and later by an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences M.M.Lavrentiev [5,6] and others. Another type of elementary torsion field detector is the torsion balance. Torsion balances were employed in experiments conducted by N.P.Myshkin at the end of the IXX century, and later were employed in the experiments of N.A.Kozyrev and others. As discovered by N.A.Kozyrev, the direction of motion of the torsion balance indicator depends upon the orientation of the torsion field. For instance, if the torsion balances are subjected to the influence of a "right" torsion field, and the indicator moves in one direction, then after influencing the torsion balance with a "left" torsion field, the indicator will move in the opposite direction. Torsion fields are able to change the rate of any physical process, for instance, they significantly alter the oscillation frequency of quartz crystals. Thus this property can be employed in torsion field detectors. The possibile affect upon the oscillation frequency of a quartz plate by torsion radiation was experimentally discovered by N.A.Kozyrev [4], and later was employed in various torsion detectors developed by a member of the Belarus Academy of Sciences, A.I.Veinik [2]. A.I.Veinik used the term "chronal detector," since he assumed a connection between the detected fields and the rate of the course of time. He experimentally discovered that it is possible to alter the rate of any process (including the process of a radioactive decay) by subjecting that process to the influence of torsion radiation [2]. This fact is stipulated by the ability of torsion fields to affect the inertial forces in any circulating mechanical system. This was demonstrated rigorously by G.I.Shipov [1]. Since the superposition of a torsion field and a gravitational field in a local area of space may result in the reduction of gravity in this area (the so called "torsion compensation of gravity"), then the influence of torsion radiation upon any physical object may result in a reduction in weight of that object. This significant property of torsion fields was discovered in the 1950s by N.A.Kozyrev [4], and later, it was confirmed in the investigations conducted by A.I.Veinik [2], M.M.Lavrentiev [6], and others. If any substance (or even the physical vacuum in general) is subjected to the influence of an external torsion field, then this influence causes a transverse spin polarization of that substance. Since this transverse spin polarization can be retained as a metastable state, then a torsion field of a given spatial configuration can be "recorded" upon any physical object. Due to this property of torsion fields, the new value of electrical resistance produced in the experiment with tungsten wire described above will continue for a significant period of time. (Up to many hours, if the intensity of the environmental torsion fields is low enough. And up to many months, if the tungsten wire is shielded by crossed polyethylene films immediately after the wire is subjected to the influence of the torsion fields.) The simplest matrix for the "recording" of a torsion field is a piece of sugar. (As is well known, the methods of recording information upon sugar, wax, water, etc. are effectively applied in practice, but basically understood only as experimental anomalies. It is possible to record a "right" or "left" torsion field upon a piece of sugar (as well as upon water in a container, etc). This fact is easily detected by various torsion detectors (e.g. by torsion balances, or by electronic detectors based upon the comparison bridge, etc.) But it must be noted that the "charged" object shouldn't be subjected to any shocks, otherwise the "torsion charge" will "disappear". This is due to the fact that torsion fields are closely coupled to inertial forces [1]. 1.Shipov G.I. "Teoriya fizicheskogo vakuuma.", Moscow, NT-Centr, 1993, 362 p. (russian) ("Theory of physical vacuum.") 2.Veinik A.I. "Termodinamika realnykh protsessov.", Minsk, Nauka i Tekhnika, 1991, 576 p. (russian) ("Thermodynamics of real processes.") 3.Akimov A.E. "Evristicheskoye obsuzhdeniye problemy poiska novyh dalnodeistvii. EGS-kontseptsii.", Moscow, CISE VENT, preprint # 7A. (russian) ("Heuristic discussion of search for new long-range actions. EGS-concepts.") 4.Kozyrev N.A. "Izbrannyye trudy.", Leningrad State University (LGU), 1991, 448 p. (russian) ("Selected works.") 5.Lavrentiev M.M., Eganova I.A., Lutset M.K., Fominykh S.F. "O distantsionnom vozdeistvii zvyeozd na rezistor." //Doklady Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1990, vol. 314, # 2. (russian) ("On the remote influence of stars on a resistor.") 6.Lavrentiev M.M., Eganova I.A., Lutset M.K., Fominykh S.F. "O registratsii reaktsii veshestva na vneshnii neobratimyi protsess." //Doklady AN SSSR, 1991, vol. 317, # 3. (russian) ("On registration of substance reaction to an external irreversible process.") From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 11:56:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA17039; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:55:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:55:54 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:53:11 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: intentional community Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"ejjFx2.0.8A4.A9Xis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8801 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Subj: Re: Me too! ...Re: Intentional community Date: 99-01-28 23:19:24 EST From: UNIR2B1NM To: herman@antioch-college.edu (John Schnurer) In a message dated 99-01-25 20:58:43 EST, you write: > I too would like this info.... > Thanks, Dear John Schnurer and lists, I fielded my initial posts, re: 'Progressive Community', last summer; perhaps I should again broadcast the call for like-minded (i.e., collaborative, problem-solving) people to congregate within a common location, so as not to be sundered in the looming event of long-term telecommunications failure or even gov't-imposed travel restrictions. NOT REALLY OFF TOPIC: Many interpret the current global predicament (economic, ecological, moral) in light of prophecy. If I were to sermonize, I'd cite Revelations 11:18--"...thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead...that thou shouldest...destroy them which destroy the earth." The "dead" are distinguished from "the quick" in the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:15-), which is summarized in Mark 4:25--"For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath." IOW, everything compounds itself (like, but not limited to, Nietche's "will to power" doctrine): the bad worsens, exacerbating depletion; and the good ('fruitful') increases ("Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over..." Luke 6:38). ON TOPIC: Accordingly, sane horticulture enriches the soil 20%/yr.; corporate agriculture depletes it in 5. Hydrogen combustion enriches atmospheric O2 content; fossil fuels jeopardize even current, meager levels. It’s not that the Earth is God, but that warming oneself by burning down the house is “double minded” (James 1:8). Real “Y2K preparation”, then, should revolve around replacing suicidal systems with sane ones, developing and implementing sustainable systems of water, food, & energy production. "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12) "Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing...he will make him ruler over all that he hath." (Luke 12:43, 4) Our planetary problems are being worked out over long-distance forums like this; however, the worst-case scenario calls for knowledgeable, innovative people to aggregate their equipment & research projects into a safe place of mutual accessibility. According to various “future maps”, NE Alabama is comparatively safe from earthquakes and oceanic flooding. The climate, although hot in July & Aug., could stand greater extremes in either direction, in the event of ‘Earth changes’. The people here still evince the congeniality of the "Bible belt", without the disreputable closed-mindedness. This is a rural area with access to a town of decent size. Should the SHTF, marauders would never survive this far into the surrounding, well-armed area. After a good rain, we even have running creeks fed by the Lookout Mt. foothills. These 40 acres are situated between two dead-end, gravel roads for privacy. Innovators who seek to confront and avert hardships of the millennial transition rather than to merely cower from them, and who wish to relocate their research from urban areas to a rural, 'scientific haven', should contact me @ 256-546-5945. Thanks. Regards, Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 11:57:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA17879; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:57:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:57:46 -0800 Message-ID: <36B21254.EAA92AA3@sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:56:05 -0800 From: Eric Tonkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Urine Battery References: <002101be4b4d$dfe45240$143319d0@thomas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oQhh22.0.8N4.uAXis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8802 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I've checked out the link for the $90 Electrolyte Battery. It looks like a great Alternative Energy Source. Anyone have any feedback on this new design? Anyone purchased and tested it yet? I see that the other manufacturer (Nelson Camus) doesn't have a viable product. What's everyones take on this $90 manufacturer? I'm also bothered by the replaceable anode plates. Using the chart supplied on the web page, it appears that the plates would be constantly replaced. And there's no price listing for them. Looking for feedback. Thanks. The web site was: http://kimkor.com/cg/battery Till Later, Eric vegan@sprynet.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 14:39:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA09409; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:39:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:39:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detecting and shielding Torsion radiation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rJgwt1.0.nI2.YYZis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8803 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: y Dear Bill, Which text tells us how to make a torsion field generator? Thanks, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 15:02:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA19482; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:02:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:02:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:54:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: Strontium Ferrite ... and other materials.. In-Reply-To: <917503333.12057.103@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6mja_3.0.Fm4.EuZis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8804 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, a] One can make composites of virgin magnetic materials and matrix and 'imprint' magnetic signature in the material prior to and during 'cure' , and the composite will retain signature...AND b] .. one can substitute .. above... dielectric for magnetic .. and.. using the appropriate matrix can imprint a charge or field signature during curing ... and the signature will remain after cure. method [a] is done all the time method [b] is less well known J On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > While not generally realized the same great substance that is used in these > ceramic magnets also has a high dielectric constant; I know because I > purchased a quantity of this substance in an unmagnetised form and tested it > myself. The purpose for making an identical ferrite/ cement mixture in > quality was the hope that a dielectric imprint could be made during its > curing similar to the way strontium ferrite recieves a magnetic imprint > during magnetisation. There will be a lot of disagreement upon this subject > but concievably a sample of strontium ferrite MIGHT be magnetised in > rotation to contain an AC imprint under specialized conditions. However the > volume of magnetizing force is very great to do that and this idea might > fall under the category of science fiction. But whoever makes these kind of > magnets first; If they are not an idiot they will immediately expose them as > a discovery. > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 16:37:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20973; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:37:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:37:20 -0800 Message-ID: <36B27AD6.194A@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:21:58 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT, the Return : Energy measurements and Efficiency... References: <199901280058.TAA29828@express.globetrotter.net> <36B11C28.4757@tiac.net> <36B193C4.9ECCE43B@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n5HMs.0.b75.0Hbis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8805 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > what would be the right evidence for you, that the > SMOT would be an OU device ? > > 15 Min rollaround in a closed circle ? > Or more or less minutes ? > > Regards, Stefan. If the ball remains in motion, for many days, I would accept this as evidence for unity operation. Overunity operation MUST deliver useful power to an EXTERNAL load. If it only ran for minutes of hours, there would still be a large number of very difficult questions, such as the magnetization of the ball over time, etc, which have been discussed in the past. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 16:53:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA26742; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:53:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:53:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detecting and shielding Torsion radiation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"AdKTJ1.0.ZX6.AWbis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8806 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, John Schnurer wrote: > Which text tells us how to make a torsion field generator? All of the links on on http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors labeled SPIN FIELD GENERATOR or AXION FIELD GENERATOR. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 17:21:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05052; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:21:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:21:42 -0800 To: karen.a-z@shaw.wave.ca Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:21:07 -0000 From: "Irving Z. Gribbish" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Reiki" , "FREENRG" X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: reiki> Re:Electricity and Reiki - the Phenomenon! X-Sender-Ip: 24.192.1.19 Organization: Deja News Mail (http://www.my-dejanews.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WwvhG1.0.rE1.awbis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8807 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Irving Gribbish igribbish@my-dejanews.com "Everything is obvious in retrospect" -Irving Gribbish On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:54:08 Karen Agopsowicz wrote: >I went through the watch thing when I was in my young teens. Most people didn't >(and still don't) believe that one actually ran backwards. And that was before >batteries! I have a Swatch that's been running for about two years- without a battery in it! Can anyone venture an interpretation of this one? It doesn't do it all the time. I often notice it ticking while I'm sending absent (Reiki). It's hanging on my noticeboard, so as to minimise activation by vibration. There is no capacitor large enough inside it to account for this length of operation. Yet in the physical world, things do not defy the laws of physics (or so I thought.) -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 17:34:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA10271; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:34:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:34:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detecting and shielding Torsion radiation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"B_0ug1.0.KW2.Y6cis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8808 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Wouldn't it be interesting if "Handi-wrap" oriented polyethelene film can shield the infamous Taos Hum? I first heard about all of the Torsion research from Alex Frolov's conference NEW IDEAS IN THE NATURAL SCIENCES in St. Petersburg Apparantly in Russia, "unexplained phenomena" is far more of an integral part of physics than it is in the US. I suspect that they lack a lot of the witch-hunt atmosphere that we have here. Let an American scientist try to study "unexplained phenomena", and he or she will be torn to shreds by collegues in the name of Critical Thinking. Below are a couple of excellent papers about how heretical scientists can avoid being Denounced to the Authorities (will they make you wear an armband with a "crackpot" symbol? Strategies for Dissenting Scientists http://www.jse.com/martin/1.html The Reception of Unconventional Claims in Science http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/seeker1/fortpages/truzzi.html A Letter to a Dissident Scientist http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/Martin_letter.html I am endlessly amused that M. Truzzi, former head of the CSICOP skeptics group, is the source of such powerful criticism of organized skepticism. Why is it that "Skeptics" are so rarely critical of themselves? I suspect it's because they might discover something that they prefer not to see. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jan 29 17:46:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14124; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:46:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:46:49 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thoughts about high energy particles Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:46:43 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36b463b7.153227188@24.192.1.20> References: <001401be4b56$7bd3c7a0$b1f8fea9@eugene-buchanan> In-Reply-To: <001401be4b56$7bd3c7a0$b1f8fea9@eugene-buchanan> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wTSUw3.0.bS3.8Icis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8809 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:10:11 -0800, Eugene Buchanan wrote: >Is there a way to create a circuit that generates a wide band high energy >vortex field that attracts high energy particles such as cosmic and gamma >rays into it creating a feedback loop that you can siphon energy out of at >the rate it enters while maintaining the resonate field? In a way, every magnet acts as such a trap. The Earth is an example, trapping charged particles from the sun in the Van Allen belts, where they slowly lose energy through synchrotron radiation, and through collisions with molecules in the atmosphere (auroras). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 00:22:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA12205; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:21:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:21:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199901300812.BAA04360@boa.wrtc.com> To: freenerg-l@eskimo.com Subject: random ramblings Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:25:05 PST From: "Mitch Tishmack" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Reply-To: mtishmac@westriv.com X-Mailer: BeOS Mail [R4] Resent-Message-ID: <"jJBm2.0.b-2.a4iis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8811 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: After watching Predator for the millionth time I got to wondering, just how could this be possible? I kinda threw out the whole idea of using gravity to bend light ( the possibility of bending space-time around you just isn't that appealing to me ). And magnetism would just be as dangerous as gravity, and I have no idea whether or not magnets can bend light. A more conventional approach was brought up on the Discovery channel (?) by using light sensors and LCD panels. While that might work, it is a long way off and IMO doomed to failure. If anyone has any ideas on how to ( fairly safely, or within reason ) bend light, by all means post. Thanks "never trust a man who can't empty his boot, even when you tell him the instructions are on the bottom" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 00:56:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17241; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:56:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:56:36 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:54:51 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Whirlpower Machine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"1AUil3.0.ED4.4biis"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8812 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi David, Here is some thoughts about your Whirlpower Machine. Very impressive and unusual thoughts you have. I feel like there is a truth behind the drawing you came up with the vortex energies are forces always with two polarities. Male and female, north and south, positive and negative, hot and cold, spiritual and physical, centrifugal and centripetal, in-breath and out-breath and so forth. You probably have the copy of the book called LIVING WATER all about life and the findings of Viktor Schauberger that book is a best reference source for these ideas. I think you are tapping in some real vortex forces. You said: ( I suggest we start in thinking of it as 30' across and 10' deep. It is very important to be as wide as possible to get the full eddy effect. My research has shown this approach is different than that other vortex or wind "tunnel" types of vortex energy theories. In Whirlpower we are trying to tap the gravitational effect on the vortex, not the vortex itself.) If you can put a some kind of pool together and creat a vortex forces if you were to speen this pool, I can only laugh here right now. But we all know how easy it is to disturb the lake right, so when you start some kind of vortex going on withen a small or a large pool and as you suggest that pool should be able to speen on some kind of wheels or a track or train rails. Can you imagine the power (as a torque) that can be created? Enormouse. I can projecting my mind in such a project and and see that you'll be able to speen the pool with a right turbulence (vortex). Can you create such vortex with a small fun blades like petals? But your idea wasn't like that as I see on your webste center of the pool is kept free for the vortex to take place. Well in any case once the vortex will take place thee pool will start to speen opposite the direction. (Just a thought here don't you think same effect can be achived with a mechanical means? Without using a water? Imagine high speed electric motor to be used like a gyroscope with a right size of flywheel and now imagine again there is a housing like gizmo that is free to speen, around the flywheel. Once you start it and get going the motor and the flywheel wonder what will happen to outer free housing that can speen with the counter effect of centrifugal and centripetal forces? I think I should drew up some pic and post it somewhere for further thought about the subject) But coming back to the subject of your Whirlpower idea I wonder if such a muchine were to be bouild, when self-acceleration will take place? Mehmet.>> David see the design here about the mechanical vortex machine that I was talking about. Maybe water is the most natural way to work with, mechanical idea doesn't feel right! here is the address. http://members.aol.com/mksboysal/page2/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In this chapter I will try to explain Whirlpower, The Machine. The Whirlpower concept can be applied many ways, but in this chapter I will try and focus on a basic way to use the whirlpool. In the first Whirlpower picture you see a tank of water. (click to enlarge) This tank can be of any size but the larger the better and it may be that is has to be of a certain size or larger to work. I suggest we start in thinking of it as 30' across and 10' deep. It is very important to be as wide as possible to get the full eddy effect. My research has shown this approach is different than that other vortex or wind "tunnel" types of vortex energy theories. In Whirlpower we are trying to tap the gravitational effect on the vortex, not the vortex itself. In the water is a wheel with fins. This is refered to as "the big wheel". It sits in the torus donut and turns with the current and does not touch the vortex. It connects to a number of wheels on the perimeter that turn the pumps and generators. There should be at least two and in most cases more, especially the bigger it is built. This connection can be simple. The big wheel just rides on the little wheels that are in a fixed posistion in the water and turns an axle to another wheel outside the tank. It is possible for the pumps and generators to be in the water but I think it would be easier to maintain outside. The entire system is started by turning the wheels on the outside and setting the pumps and big wheel in motion. Once the vortex forms and the torus donut is at the right speed power input can change to power output. It will then sustain itself and generate electricity by the force of gravity acting on the vortex causing it to precess. We usually don't think of a vortex precessing since it is fluid not solid. This is why Whirlpower has remained hidden all these years. But as we know the faster water goes the more it acts like a solid, much like hitting water at a high speed is similar to hitting the ground, be it falling airplane or skydiver or distraught bridge jumper. So it is this precession force due to gravity that is the driving force in Whirlpower. But the whirlpool must be built in order to bring this force to life, so to speak. The next picture shows a little more detail and overview and compares the compound vortex to the torus donut. This is what it all comes down to. Is the mass and speed of the torus donut more than the mass and speed of the compound vortex? And is this difference enough to sustain the system and generate electricity and do work? All my research shows it will and is the same force that drives the hurricane and the planets and the stars. Beautiful simplicity in motion. This next picture is of the Holy Grail. This is the Golden Chalice. (click to enlarge) It is still Whirlpower but the donut is compressed by the shape of the bowl allowing for the width needed for the eddy and fits the hardware. I think this may also be what was once known as Hero's Fountain and has been done before but the knowledge was lost over the centuries. It has the Ozmosis Water Cleaner shown. This system made of gold would not corrode over time and would be perfect for small home systems that would provide clean water by the centrifugal force. The heavier particulates would go to the outside and drain off slowly through the output. It could be hooked up to any water system. Stainless steel would probably be the best choice in a practicle sense but gold or gold plate may still prove to be the best. In the next chapter I will show variations on the theme and a number of other ways the Whirlpower concept can be used. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 01:24:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA21520; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:24:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:24:03 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:23:18 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: over-unity devices Russia Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"eROMZ.0.9G5.o-iis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8813 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: <> There have been many reports in the press over the last couple of years, about devices that produce more energy than is put into them. How do they work? These devices, called over-unity devices, use water to produce energy. Many people are developing them all over the world, but no one is quite sure how they work. One company in Russia has even started selling them to the public to use in their heating systems. They all work on the principle of collapsing bubbles. By creating a vortex in a tube, you get water with lots of micro bubbles in it. When these very small bubbles collapse they create heat. This heat is then collected and converted to energy for use in industry or in the house. What is so special about them is that they give out more energy than they take in - something thought to be impossible. One machine in the USA, which has been tested by several independent scientists, gives out between 1.3 and 1.7 times as much energy as it takes in. This machine is being investigated by NASA at the moment. (here is the web address, but there is no more info available about the subject) http://www.campus.bt.com/public/ScienceNet/database/Physics/9609/p00477d.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 05:15:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA11158; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:15:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:15:17 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:14:10 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: MKSBoysal@aol.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: over-unity devices Russia In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NQyhx2.0.Bk2.bNmis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8814 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Do you or anyone have any article on the device described below? Jorg Ostrowski __________________________________ On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > < Mehmet.>> > > There have been many reports in the press over > the last couple of years, about devices that > produce more energy than is put into them. How > do they work? > > These devices, called over-unity devices, use water to produce > energy. > Many people are developing them all over the world, but no one is > quite sure how they work. One company in Russia has even started > selling them to the public to use in their heating systems. > > They all work on the principle of collapsing bubbles. By creating a > vortex in a tube, you get water with lots of micro bubbles in it. > When > these very small bubbles collapse they create heat. This heat is > then > collected and converted to energy for use in industry or in the > house. > What is so special about them is that they give out more energy than > they take in - something thought to be impossible. One machine in > the > USA, which has been tested by several independent scientists, gives > out between 1.3 and 1.7 times as much energy as it takes in. This > machine is being investigated by NASA at the moment. > > (here is the web address, but there is no more info available about the > subject) > > http://www.campus.bt.com/public/ScienceNet/database/Physics/9609/p00477d.html > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 10:11:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07030; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:11:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:11:12 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: "Patrick Tremblay" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: AC MAGNETS ? Message-Id: <917719850.23381.133@excite.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:10:50 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"QiS3Q2.0.lj1.0jqis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8815 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:02:20 -0600, Patrick Tremblay wrote: > Hi Harvey, > > Are you saying that it would be possible to build an AC magnet ? > > Then, all we'd have to do is coil a wire around the magnet and voil=E0, a > perpetual motion self-running transformer. > > Is that what you are saying ? >>No, not exactly. We know that strontium ferrite can amplify both the electric and magnetic fields. What I dont exactly know is if the simultaneous existance of these fields at right angles in the strontium ferrite would cause a physical force on the material. Lorentz law says that only the actual charge movement caused by the electric field will be deflected by a magnetic field at right angles. Thus only the small movement of molecular elongation in the dielectric would be subject to this Lorentz force. Considering that this elongation occurs in a very small time period,in order to produce this illusion of continual charge movement, a high frequency electric field could be used.In this situation everytime the electric field reversed polarity the Lorentz force would change direction; UNLESS of course the magnetic field changed direction everytime the electric field did in which case it(the lorentz force) would be a pulse in one direction. Now imagine a hypothetical Searl roller composed of three layers; aluminum on the inside with ferrite sandwiched between copper in the form of an coil. Now imagine the connections to the electric field are made beween the copper coil and the aluminum. The electrons cannot travel across the ferrite because it is nonconductive but it does establish an electric field governed by the cylindrical capacity created by the respective inner and outer areas of the ferrite ring and the distance between them. Now of course the ferrite will also act as the path of least reluctance for the magnetic field created by the coil; thus in this scenario we have created the conditions for electric and magnetic fields at right angles. Now the copper coil has an inductance;the ferrite ring a capacitance, any any time we have these two quantities a resonant AC frequency can be calculated by formula. Supposed that we now used this frequency for the electric field input. What we would find is that the lorentz force would oscillate at double the frequency, because in this case the electric and magnetic fields are not simultaneously expanding and collapsing but are what is termed 90 degrees out of phase so that when one is reached its complete expansion the other has reached its collapse and vice versa. But what we could hypothesize that if these two fields could act in in harmony then the lorentz force would not oscillate,but pulse in one direction, and that direction would be at right angles to both the directions of the electric and magnetic fields in the ferrite ring, which would act then in a direction to rotate the ring.So what I have described is just scratching the surface because I have not explained how this field coherance is to be created. It is easily seen that this idea will not work with a single phase of resonance, so I came to the conclusion of building a specially designed generator that could power two phases of resonance so that whenever one had a full electric field the other had a full magnetic field. I realize that a lot of speculation is being made here but what I am then proposing by this method is if the special 90 degree phased generator could be scaled up to a huge size so that enough mmf from the AC coil could exist to cause a special kind of magnetization of the ferrite ring;rotation of the ring might then serve to circumvent the normal problem of reversing magnetic polarities that in normal circumstances would serve to cancel the previously imprinted magnetisation.For example consider if the ring has made 1.1 revolutions with every polarity change. If it were exactly 1 revolution perhaps that would cause a conflict of opposite impressed mmf's because the magnet would be in the same position to be magnetised with a South imprint where it had previously been magnetised with a North imprint, but if this "slip ratio" existed, one might be able to make an AC magnetised roller with 10 N imprints and 10 S imprints. I dont know anyone who can make anything out of this AC magnetisation technique supposedly pioneered by Searl but I think the previous explanation shows the possibilities involved with a hypothetical AC method of magnetisation that not only uses a mmf but a coordinated electric field to achieve a new kind of of magnet. As for what this magnet could do I should leave it open for discussion and in light of Paul Harvey's comment: And now for the rest of the story. Sincerly HDN > > > but concievably a sample of strontium ferrite MIGHT be magnetised in > > rotation to contain an AC imprint under specialized conditions. ______________________________________________________ > > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > >=20 _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 12:27:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05466; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:27:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:27:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:26:59 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: over-unity devices Russia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"I1h0A3.0.FL1.Misis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8816 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > < Mehmet.>> > Many people are developing them all over the world, but no one is > quite sure how they work. One company in Russia has even started > selling them to the public to use in their heating systems. This is the Potapov Vortex Tube, which was extensively covered in INFINITE ENERGY magazine years ago. See lots of stuff at http://www.amasci.com/weird/wvort.html. The inventor even came to the US to demonstrate the device, but it failed. He was not able to get it to display overunity, and the trip was a waste. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 13:01:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA16417; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:00:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:00:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:52:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, John Schnurer cc: Patrick Tremblay Subject: See notes, comments, Questions..Re: AC MAGNETS ? In-Reply-To: <917719850.23381.133@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xA3BK.0.Q04.3Ctis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8817 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, Please see Notes, Comments and Questions in the text, below. some cuts.... On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:02:20 -0600, Patrick Tremblay wrote: > > > Hi Harvey, > > > > Are you saying that it would be possible to build an AC magnet ? > > > > Then, all we'd have to do is coil a wire around the magnet and voil=E0, a > > perpetual motion self-running transformer. > > > > Is that what you are saying ? > >>No, not exactly. We know that strontium ferrite can amplify both the > electric and magnetic fields. Q: What, exactly, do you mean by "amplify" electric and magnetic fields? Do you mean guide or concentrate ?? Or do you mean act as pass elements with external power source, such as germanium, silicon vacuum tubes and other amplifying pass element devices? What I dont exactly know is if the > simultaneous existance of these fields at right angles in the strontium > ferrite would cause a physical force on the material. Lorentz law says that > only the actual charge movement caused by the electric field will be > deflected by a magnetic field at right angles. Thus only the small movement > of molecular elongation in the dielectric would be subject to this Lorentz > force. Considering that this elongation occurs in a very small time > period,in order to produce this illusion of continual charge movement, a > high frequency electric field could be used.In this situation everytime the > electric field reversed polarity the Lorentz force would change direction; > UNLESS of course the magnetic field changed direction everytime the electric > field did in which case it(the lorentz force) would be a pulse in one > direction. Now imagine a hypothetical Searl roller composed of three layers; > aluminum on the inside with ferrite sandwiched between copper in the form of > an coil. Now imagine the connections to the electric field are made beween > the copper coil and the aluminum. The electrons cannot travel across the > ferrite because it is nonconductive but it does establish an electric field > governed by the cylindrical capacity created by the respective inner and > outer areas of the ferrite ring and the distance between them. Now of course > the ferrite will also act as the path of least reluctance for the magnetic > field created by the coil; thus in this scenario we have created the > conditions for electric and magnetic fields at right angles. Now the copper > coil has an inductance;the ferrite ring a capacitance, any any time we have > these two quantities a resonant AC frequency can be calculated by formula. > Supposed that we now used this frequency for the electric field input. What > we would find is that the lorentz force would oscillate at double the > frequency, because in this case the electric and magnetic fields are not > simultaneously expanding and collapsing but are what is termed 90 degrees > out of phase so that when one is reached its complete expansion the other > has reached its collapse and vice versa. But what we could hypothesize that > if these two fields could act in in harmony then the lorentz force would not > oscillate,but pulse in one direction, and that direction would be at right > angles to both the directions of the electric and magnetic fields in the > ferrite ring, which would act then in a direction to rotate the ring.So what > I have described is just scratching the surface because I have not explained > how this field coherance is to be created. It is easily seen that this idea > will not work with a single phase of resonance, so I came to the conclusion > of building a specially designed generator that could power two phases of > resonance so that whenever one had a full electric field the other had a > full magnetic field. Comment: full electric.... then full magnetic ... then full electric... then full magnetic are the properties exhibited by electromagntic fields... easy to produce. > I realize that a lot of speculation is being made here but what I am then > proposing by this method is if the special 90 degree phased generator could > be scaled up to a huge size so that enough mmf from the AC coil could exist > to cause a special kind of magnetization of the ferrite ring;rotation of the > ring might then serve to circumvent the normal problem of reversing magnetic > polarities that in normal circumstances would serve to cancel the previously > imprinted magnetisation.For example consider if the ring has made 1.1 > revolutions with every polarity change. If it were exactly 1 revolution > perhaps that would cause a conflict of opposite impressed mmf's because the > magnet would be in the same position to be magnetised with a South imprint > where it had previously been magnetised with a North imprint, but if this > "slip ratio" existed, one might be able to make an AC magnetised roller with > 10 N imprints and 10 S imprints. I dont know anyone who can make anything > out of this AC magnetisation technique supposedly pioneered by Searl but I > think the previous explanation shows the possibilities involved with a > hypothetical AC method of magnetisation that not only uses a mmf but a > coordinated electric field to achieve a new kind of of magnet. Comment: A magnetic material exhibiting one polarity, then another, driven by electric current is what happens in a transformer. As for what > this magnet could do I should leave it open for discussion and in light of > Paul Harvey's comment: And now for the rest of the story. > Sincerly HDN > > > > > > but concievably a sample of strontium ferrite MIGHT be magnetised in > > > rotation to contain an AC imprint under specialized conditions. > ______________________________________________________ Note: If you want a magnetic material to change polarity ... driven or altered or changed by rotation then simply use any one of several materials with little or no magnetic memory, such as silicon-iron steel, Ni-Fe alloys and so forth. The ferromagnetic element can be a ring, if you want and rotated about a permenet or electric magnet... or can be a bar or some other shape in proximity to a rotating permanent magnet or electric magnet or a sequenced array of magnets... the latter is done all the time in stepper motors, induction motors and so on... JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 13:51:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01527; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:51:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:51:32 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes, comments, Questions..Re: AC MAGNETS ? Message-Id: <917733072.23886.970@excite.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:51:12 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wCrJ93.0.iN.Zxtis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8818 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John,thanx for the many questions. I noticed from your address that you might be from Ohio. I am located at exit 13 on the Ohio Turnpike in Streetsboro. I can give you a demonstration of this BRS anytime if you are in the area. By amplification of fields I meant that because of the dielectric constant more of the electric field would exist in the ferrite than if it were just an air capacity. Likewise more magnetic field can exist because of the low reluctance path vs. that of air. Ive been having a lot of problems with the excite.com mail service lately so I cant always make replies. My email is seperate from this computer address which my brother uses extensively for tracking the stock market. So I cant always come back with a reply. To give you an idea how this BRS works as a resonant choke circuit I will give an example of two different loads placed between the unobvious potentials, a neon bulb and a 55 ohm incandescent bulb. First I measure the voltage with no load. I tried using a surplus kilovolt meter which it pegs past the 6,000 volt range. I know this is wrong because only about 3,000 volts should be measured. Now when I connect a neon bulb across the midpoints it lights with a conduction of about .7ma and the voltage across the bulb reads 300 volts. Now when the 55 ohm incandescent is placed across this input the voltage then only reads about 1/10th of a volt allowing 5.6 ma conduction which will not light the bulb. In this kind of circuit a short or low ohmic resistive load then chokes off the voltage that would cause more amperage to exist than is inputed. Likewise a high resistance allows a higher voltage to be used. In this example the neon bulb will not light from wall voltage but will light from the BRS which can raise the voltage to a load without using a transformer, as is used in common applications where a voltage rise is necessary. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 14:21:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA09571; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:21:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:21:35 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Earth Resonance Message-Id: <917734873.11503.829@excite.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:21:13 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6ZCW63.0.SL2.lNuis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8819 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It appears I may have jumped the gun when I made an entree showing a pulsed effect made on a neon bulb placed in between one midpoint of the BRS and the ground. And thanks for the people who pointed out that the aluminum siding of a house is of course grounded. It appears that the double arc gap method I was using to create the high frequency effect itself may be responsible for this pulsing effect. When the bulb is connected across the two arc gaps instead of one end being grounded the same pulsing effect occurs. However the grounded method does seem to contain more discharge or amperage through the bulb. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 14:58:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21337; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:58:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:58:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199901310002.VAA30058@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Improving To: KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:57:20 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Element 114 Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"tA7e52.0.ID5.Owuis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8820 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Subject: UFOMIND: Getting closer to Element 115 [news] Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:21:26 -0800 To: ufomind@lists.best.com Via: [withheld by request]@llnl.gov >From LLNL's own NEWSLINE: ----- Begin Press Release ----- Subject: Russia-Livermore Scientists may have produced elusive heavy element 114 A Russian-Livermore experiment at Russia's Joint Institute for Nuclear Research in Dubna my have produced the long-sought element 114, according to news reports out of Russia. The Dubna accelerator fired calcium-48 atoms into a Livermore supplied target of Plutonium-244 in a 40 day experiment that wrapped up at the end of december 1998. Detectors picked up signs of a single atom of a heavy element, tentatively identified as 114, by a tell-tale sequence of alpha-particle emissions followed by a spontaneous fission, due to decay of the atom and the subsequent decay of it's "daughters". Livermore nuclear chemist Ken Moody spoke with caution about the experiments. "these are very interesting findings," he said. "The analysis we are doing now should tell us how to interpret the results." "If confirmed, the synthesis of element 114 will create an important new opportunity to study the physics of extrememly heavy elements," said Energy secretary Bill Richardson. "creating 114 has long been a goal of Nuclear Physicists. It is significant that this latest experiment is an international effort, a collaborative project involving Russian scientists at Dubna, and American scientists from DOE's Lawrence Livermore National Lab". Livermore's participation was supported by Laboratory Directed Research and Development. Moody and collaborators Ron Lougheed, John Wild, Nancy Stoyer and Mark Stoyer of the Analytical and Nuclear Chemistry division supplied the plutonium target and participated in the design and implementation of the experiments, and the subsequent data analysis. They have worked in the highly competitive field of heavy element sysnthesis at the three world's major centers for such research, in Berkeley, Dubna and Darmstadt, and are careful not to count chickens prematurely. Still, they agree it is an exciting time. Synthesizing element 114 is a long sought goal because of theoretical predictions that it will be part of an "island of stability" in an ocean of instability. Lighter (but still extremely heavy) elements like 108 last only thousandths of a second before falling apart. The observations at Dubna suggested a 30-second lifetime for the 114 candidate, a veritable Rock of Gibraltar compared to some of its more ephemeral neighbors. ----- End Press Release ----- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | UFOMIND MAILING LIST | | Supporting the World's Largest Paranormal Website | | www.ufomind.com Moderator: Glenn Campbell | | | | Archived at: http://www.ufomind.com/misc/ | | Submissions to: ufomind@lists.best.com | | "unsubscribe" (in body) to: ufomind-request@lists.best.com | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ RELEVANCE OF THIS MESSAGE: The claims of Bob Lazar Index: http://www.ufomind.com/people/l/lazar/element115/ --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 17:03:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19446; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:03:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:03:35 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: mark@plug-in.com.br Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 1/2L[I]2=1/2C[V]2 Message-Id: <917744595.26932.76@excite.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:03:15 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"p-79e3.0.ll4.dlwis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8821 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:55:56 -2, Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > To reiterate I use the term unobvious potential to mean the MIDPOINT of a > > series resonant circuit. If two of these circuits are made one can be made > > backwards or 180 degrees out of phase with the other simply by hooking them up > > BACKWARDS with respect to the wall connections. I have seen a lot of blank > > stares and total misunderstanding of this term "180 degrees out of phase" Its > > so simple that it is rediculous that people read something into it like its > > some kind of mystical thing that cant be understood. What needs to be > > understood is that when two of these backwards phases are made when one has an > > unobvious compression of electrons, or acts like an unobvious negative source, > > the other opposite phase will create an unobvious vacuum of electrons or > > unobvious positive source. The reaction of these unobvious potentials by use > > of an arc gap is a superb method of creating a clean high frequency > > oscillation between resonances,which I refer to as the binary resonant arc > > gap. > > I understood your idea, and I like it. But I guess you could provide a circuit > drawing for better understanding of it. > > > > Having lost my train of thought lets return to the equation.When the > > amperage in this coil example is increased 15 fold to 75mA the energy stored > > in the magnetic field is exponentially increased due to amperage term I being > > squared on the left term. For the same energy to exist in the capacitor the V > > term must correspondingly be increased 15 fold. In a way this simple equation > > explains the series resonant rise of voltage. Now the heating loss in this > > example is 5.625 watts from the average current of .075 A and 1000 ohms. Is it > > remarkable that the energy stored by 1/2L[I]2 is by the left term .1575 > > joules? That being the case the energy transfer of .1575 joules 120 times per > > second would then be 18.9 joules per second or 18.9 watts. If it were possible > > to tap into this energy transfer without diminishing the quantity being > > transferred than we should suppose that overunity is possible,shouldnt we? HDN > > > > What if you put a transformer connected in series with your ark gap to take > advantage of that "doubled current" ? > > > --- > Marcelo Puhl > mark@plug-in.com.br > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jan 30 18:23:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA03262; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:23:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:23:06 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: keelynet@dallastexas.net Subject: Shining Diamond Message-Id: <917749366.19883.16@excite.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:22:46 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iUBEV.0.po.Awxis"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8822 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: My previous reply was edited out by mistake. Marcelo P. thought it would be good if some kind of drawing could be shown representing the binary resonant system.Most of us are aware how 4 diodes can be put together in a diamond shape for a full wave rectifier.Either opposite corner can be inputed with AC and pulsed DC is obtained from the remaining corners shown as the path bisecting the diamond with the load in the center. This is exactly the same configuration that the BRS takes only by replacing the forward diodes with coils of equal inductance and the reverse diodes with equal capacitors. With no load across the midpoints the circuit represents two possible series resonant branches,180 degrees out of phase,in parallel. What makes it possible is the correct frequency input to make it resonate causing a voltage rise going in opposite directions from a neutral center; so that the voltage rise as measured from the midpoints is twice that of either side alone. With a short placed across these midpoints the circuit then acts as one same possible parallel resonant circuit with the midpoint path being shared by both the inductive and capacitive currents which both enter and leave from opposite directions. These currents which are themselves 180 out of phase then become in phase which results in twice the amperage passing through the midpoint path as in the sides alone. Does not this same thing happen in the full wave rectifier? Twice the pulses of amperage exist across its load than on the diode paths themselves. I think this analogy explains things better. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jan 31 13:18:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24110; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:17:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:17:21 -0800 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Back on list / Monopole / T.E. Bearden / Over-Unity Experiment In-Reply-To: <19990119140458.6017.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vyoX42.0.du5.XXCjs"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8823 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Try information, Huntsville Alabama AND: If anyone finds out anything about the 'monopole' ... please let us all know... Thanks, J On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Randy Hargraves wrote: > > Mono-pole > > With in the Last year when I was on the list. > I made a comment that I thought that I new how to make a Sphere, > that had one pole in the center and the exterier sufface would be the > other list. I had computor failure and thus I am just getting back on to > the list. So , I have been wondering if any one has made one and > toyed arround with it. Or varried the location of where the interior > pole would be, (with in the sphere), for different effects. > > Thomas E. Bearden > > T.E. Bearden, Was on the Art Bell Show, and made a comment about how to > do an easy overunity experiment. > Did any one hear that program. > > What is the E-mail address for T.E. Bearden, Snail Mail, Home Or work > Phone ECT..... > > > or contact method > > Can Any one help.???? > > Please If you willl > > Randy, Carol, Dacia, Kensi, Hargraves > 966 Castlebury Mansion > Yukon, Oklahoma 73099-2102 > > randy_hargraves@hotmail.com > > 1-405-354-0033 > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >