From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 1 02:50:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA18899; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:50:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: <27336904.949401983857.JavaMail.imail@bronty> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey D Norris Reply-To: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unobvious Potentials Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 199.174.177.166 Resent-Message-ID: <"4ZyxE3.0.Cd4.Ofhbu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13796 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Does an electret contain an unobvious potential? WHAT IS AN UNOBVIOUS POTENTIAL? I understand it this way. It is a potential that exists but cannot be tapped in the conventional manner. A simple short to a load is the conventional manner of using an OBVIOUS potential or voltage. Current flows until the potential is exhausted. Of course an echo can exist as an oscillation. An unobvious potential refuses to act in this manner. When asked to deliver its potential, it refuses to give a current that would exhaust its potential. It maintains its integrity. Likewise a correct load placed in an UNOBVIOUS potential will only allow the amount of current that can be delivered without that source being continually replenished from the depletion of charge or potential. That definition is only made with regard to an electret,but unobvious potentials also manifest themselves in nature in other aspects, specifically the reaction between midpoints of two series resonant phases in opposition, or 180 phasings. http://depalma.pair.com/ 28 July 1993 The conceptualizations of spatial energy and spatial time distortion were not available in the time of Faraday, consequently the idea of flux line cutting was invented. The persistent dispute over whether flux lines rotate with the axially rotated magnet or not is a consequence of this incorrect hypothesis. The idea that electric charge latent in space can be precipitated into a moving conductor opens a door to accessing the Universal Energy flow which is implicit in a model of a Universe with time extension which is created from nothing. I have recently investigated some claims of homopolar motor/generator action on Bill B wonderful science site, and definitely disagree with some statements being made. Among these are non symmetry of Homopolar generator/motor action.Or again I retract that statement. Statements from Depalma himself I disagree with, god bless the late great thinker who knows more than we credit him with. To settle the question the Tesla Electric Co, (that being myself for the time being, havent got too much chance to use that Employer Identification NO the govt gave me), has purchased 34 gold plated NIB ring magnets with a 1/4 inch interior diameter. (I think they call that a bore) Hopefully an aluminum rod can be inserted into this bore and a brush established along the length of the combined ring cylinders for the other electrical connection. A dc current will then be passed from the central rod to the exterior cylindrical brush connection. Consensus indicates no reaction or torque should be noted on the magnetic cylinder. However over ten years ago I did a similar conceptial experiment with a disc NIB floating on mercury and passing large DC amperages straight through the center of the magnet to the mercury, which caused the magnet to spin. People said that was impossible because it would be like lifting yourself up by pulling on your own bootstraps, the reaction forces should cancel, it would defy Newtons third law of motion with action/reaction. DePalma also notes: Of course if we adhere to the Law of action and equal and opposite reaction then we would never try such an experiment because we would expect the magnet to be acted on by a torque equal and opposite to the shaft. Actually if it is accepted that there does exist non-symmetry in motor/generator action, which has already been stated in the example of homopolar single rotating parts, then the preceeding argument explains itself. The reaction could be less than the action, and rotation is the observed result. However words and reasoning are a poor subtitute for actual experimental evidence. Let us analyse the situation if all the current were to go from the interior of the shaft outwards to the periphery exclusively on the low resistance gold plating. As the current on the surface between the magnet segments proceeds outwards, the magnet exerts a sideways force to the current in accordance with Lorentz force law. However the magnet is attached to the gold plating where the force is being applied, so it also must rotate. But observe what has already been known or said, that if that magnet rotates on that dimension along that axis, the field lines do not follow that rotation in that dimension. It is the same as if the magnet never rotated according to that definition, if we accept that the field lines do not travel with that dimension of rotation of the magnet. As can be seen there is more here than meets the eye. Our conventional conceptions are being assaulted simply because we have ignored what actually happens on an experimental basis to begin with. Because the results confound us, it is entirely possible that a confounded twisted explanation is made to assure that the existing laws are not contradicted, and we have therefore confounded the actual true explanation by our insistance that that explanation obey the rules we already play by. The issue becomes so confusing that I have already contradicted what I started to make as a point. However I feel that others have also become confused and made points also in potential error. The best thing that can be done is the experiment itself, and the judgemental considerations follow. Essentially the status quo belief is that that magnet shaft should not rotate when electricity is passed perpedicular to thats magnets field, because of that cancellation factor of the current path causing the magnet to rotate all being contained on the same part. That seems to be the traditional viewpoint, but again if the traditional viewpoint held the day, I would not be writing this to begin with, because the homopolar effects of a single rotating part in this FaradaY paradox would never have existed in the first place. Hope to have magnets arrive in two days, will report back in week or so. HDN Quotes from: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the Nature of Electrical Induction by Bruce DePalma Binary Resonant System http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 1 04:51:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA03232; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 04:46:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 04:46:45 -0800 From: Eric.Nuver@aucs-europe.com Message-Id: <200002011246.EAA03212@mx1.eskimo.com> To: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: RE: Urgent! Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:43:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"PAOaL3.0.Po.qMjbu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13797 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bruce, In support of your much appreciated efforts, I just sent you an "electronic check" via an Internet clearing house, in the hope it arrives in a reasonable time. Looking forward to your design paper. Wishing you lots of luck and support, Good luck, Eric > ---------- > From: sparky[SMTP:markross@xyz.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 1:24 AM > To: Nu Energy Horizons > Cc: nuenergy2@listbot.com; freenrg-L@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Urgent! > > Hi Bruce, > I am sending an envelope, I wish to be a distributor for Alaska. > I am enclosing $20.00 to help the cause. Thank you in advance! > (:o)) > :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce A. Perreault > To: nuenergy@listbot.com > Cc: nuenergy2@listbot.com ; freenrg-L@eskimo.com > > Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 3:35 PM > Subject: Urgent! > > > >Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > > >Dear Supporters, > > > >This was brought to my attention today. > >In response I am not filing for my patent. > >This is just too close for comfort. > > > >For those of you who have requested to distribute > >the Nu Power Fuel Cells please forward a self-addressed > >stamped #10 envelope to me. I will in turn send you a > >hardcopy of my basic fuel cell design. This comprises > >one sheet with text on both sides detailing the invention. > >It also includes a diagram of the cell. It is dated and > >notorized by my bank. > > > >I think the best way to proceed now is to give a public > >disclosure at this point. The next step is to build production > >runs and sell them to everyone that we come into contact with. > >As a team we can hit the market hard! > > > >Any feedback at this point is welcome. If I am going about this > >in the wrong way please let me know. > > > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > >http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m7874.html > > > >http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/current/tech.html > > > > Driving cars with hydrogen peroxide > > > > Researchers at Purdue University (West Lafayette, IN) are developing a > new > > type of environmentally friendly fuel cell that runs on chemical > reactions > > between hydrogen peroxide and aluminum and generates about 20 times more > > electricity per pound than car batteries, claim the developers. "It has > a huge > > amount of energy potential," says John Rusek, an assistant professor of > > aeronautics and astronautics at Purdue, who is working with students to > > develop the cell. The hydrogen peroxide serves two roles: it is a > catholyte," > > meaning it is both the electrolyte, a liquid that conducts electricity > and allows > > the reaction to occur, and also the cathode, or the portion of the > battery that > > attracts electrons. The aluminum serves as the cell's fuel and its > anode; as it > > oxidizes, it gives up electrons. Waste products include water and > recyclable > > chemical compounds. The experimental cells do not immediately provide a > > steady supply of electricity. It takes about two hours for the cells to > reach their > > peak electrical output before producing a steady current flow. If > perfected, such > > an electricity source could one day replace conventional batteries in > many > > applications, including portable electronic equipment, Rusek says. A > poster > > paper about the research was presented in November,1999 during the > Second > > International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conference at the University. > Call: > > (765) 494-4782 or e-mail: rusek@ecn.purdue.edu. > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Get a Free PC with a 3-year subscription to The Microsoft Network > >(after rebates). The new PC features a 400MHz Celeron, 32MB, 4GB, 40x > >CD, 3D Graphics and a 56K modem. Come to > >http://www.listbot.com/links/myfavoritepc2 for details. Act now > >since this is a limited time offer! > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 1 05:42:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA16294; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:42:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:42:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3896E2E3.EA0@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:42:59 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: larry lepurage CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell? (was Re: Urgent!) References: <3894D86C.7210@cyberportal.net> <3895176C.D3D0DC88@earthlink.net> <38959F39.52B5@cyberportal.net> <004b01bf6c4d$0fda2760$83f3183f@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PIi7M2.0.Q-3.jAkbu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13798 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com larry lepurage wrote: > > att: Bruce > > I feel that It will be in your best interest to make it Public on the > internet immediatly. Just like I had mentioned several months ago. You have > said too much already what you plan to do. I did mention that you and your > family could be in Danger, all the great inventions died with there > inventor. Flood the internet with your invention now!!!! Give complete > details, points of information about constructing it and clear and detailed > drawings so people don"t have to guess what you are trying to say. Make it > very clear for the adverage person to understand, these are the people you > are trying to help. Send it out all at once and not in sections a little > each day. Bb might try to stop you or jam up the internet. Just do it now!!!! I am doing the best that I can. There is only so much that I can do in one day. The next information release is so straight forward that it will be hard for you not to understand the conversion principle. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 1 05:46:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA17899; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:44:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:44:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3896E386.693C@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:45:42 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: nuenergy2@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Your list References: <38965CED.4DABB39F@dialnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FjGou2.0.YN4.FDkbu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13799 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bob, You have made my day... thank you for your kind words. -BAP Bob Squires wrote: > > Dear Bruce; > > My envelope will be on the way in the morning with what ever > I can afford. > Every one thinks that a patent is the magical road to riches . Nothing > could be further from the truth . A patent especially now with the Gatt > treaty. It simply opens you up to legal plunder from any one who wishes. > Unless you have more money than they to fight with. Public domain things > they can't control and won't touch. All of us on this list could not > make enough of the product to make a dent in the demand and you can make > as much as you are able . > The internet is the best place I know of to go public. The world need > to stop fossil fuel pollution is great enough to justify most any means > to stop it before it kills us all. > We all love you Bruce I am sure. You are a shining example. > > With Gods Love > > Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 1 07:25:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19227; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:24:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:24:47 -0800 Sender: jack@pop.centurytel.net Message-ID: <38970915.2AC83D98@mail.pc.centuryinter.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:25:57 +0000 From: "Taylor J. Smith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Some rather strange convection.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-Cl132.0.Ki4._glbu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13800 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Phil Henshaw wrote: > > > Fairly easily reproduced convection experiments (smoke in a box > > http://idt.net/~ph/airbox.htm) seem to show energy storage and release > > by a new mechanism. I've circulated this a little and so far folks > > seem to be either left sort of dysfunctionally speechless, or filled > > with rage(!) I must say it took several years to get used to the > > idea > > myself. The problem presented may be strange but I don't think it's > > going away any time soon.... > > Very cool! Do you mind if I link your page to my Science Fair section? > > Regarding disbelief/rage, I put together a small website about this: > > CLOSEMINDED SCIENCE > http://www.amasci.com/weird/wclose.html Hi Bill, This is a fascinating experiment, and I will recommend it to qualified students looking for a science project. Regarding close-minded science, I saw the recent Scientific American Frontiers program starring Alan Alda and Prof. Roy Wolford(spelling?) -- Scott Little was on this program about a year ago, along with Emily's pseudo-debunking science project (given prominence in the (I think) Journal of the American Medical Association). Wolford (of Biosphere Fame) holds out the hope of long life by calorie restriction. My question is this: Is calorie restriction correlated positively with carbohydrate restriction? If so, this experiment, in its current form, is also hopelessly confounded. Jack Smith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 1 13:51:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA28587; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:51:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:51:03 -0800 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:33:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Amercium oxide Message-ID: <20000201.164119.-397809.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,13-14,18-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"R1ZC-3.0.Z-6.6Lrbu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13801 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:16:55 -0500 "Matt Runo" writes: > Hello- > I have been looking for AmO2 samples for a LONG time now. Where > did you get yours? > > Matt Runo The most readily available source of AmO2 is smoke detectors. Since the half life is so long (about 412 years, if I remember correctly), old smoke detectors have as much as new ones (about 0.5 gram). When you take one apart, it will be easy to find the AmO2 pellet because it is housed in a component marked with the trefoil. The pellet itself is made of steel, the AmO2 is just a thin coating on part of the exposed surface. Quick question for those on the list who are much more knowledgeable about nuclear physics than I am: when a molecule of AmO2 decays, does the decay product, Np, remain bonded to the two O atoms (to form NpO2, neptunium dioxide), or do the O atoms join to form O2? -Tom Grimes mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com ----------------------------------------- >From Newspaper Headlines: "L.A. voters approve urban renewal by landslide" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 2 11:33:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA05347; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:33:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:33:13 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:32:33 EST Subject: True overunity in thirty days To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, energy21@listbot.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, brettnichols@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_ab.88c63f.25c9e051_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"WxIxi1.0.OJ1.uP8cu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13802 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_ab.88c63f.25c9e051_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm going to take a chance here and say that I hope to demostrate true overunity operation of a electro-mechnical device in the next 30 days. The attached drawing is of the basic concept. Though there may be basic operation changes. The electronics here will need to be perfected. The ring if you wonder, is supported by rollers, each at 120 degrees. Fabrication and testing is in progress now. Feel free to comment or question. 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<"0wFsF1.0.BR4.Xr8cu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13803 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Butch and all, Here are some of my comments and questions: Why do you think curent in the other 3 secondary coils will not generate a "back flux" in the toroidal core? They all seem closely coupled. How will the "transformer effect" reduce this and the inductance? If the flux is constant (in space) around the toroid, why do you think there will be attractive forces? Or are you pulsing the primary with a short enough pulse so that the whole toroid is not magnetized? Actually I expect very weak repulsive forces possibly from leakage flux in the toroid. -Dave At 02:32 PM 02/02/00 EST, you wrote: >Hi all, >I'm going to take a chance here and say that I hope to demostrate true >overunity operation of a electro-mechnical device in the next 30 days. The >attached drawing is of the basic concept. Though there may be basic operation >changes. The electronics here will need to be perfected. The ring if you >wonder, is supported by rollers, each at 120 degrees. Fabrication and testing >is in progress now. Feel free to comment or question. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 2 12:37:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA00677; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:36:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:36:53 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:36:01 EST Subject: Re: True overunity in thirty days To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"qNxDr1.0.OA.aL9cu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13804 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 2/2/00 2:08:26 PM Central Standard Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: << Hi Butch and all, Here are some of my comments and questions: Why do you think curent in the other 3 secondary coils will not generate a "back flux" in the toroidal core? They all seem closely coupled. How will the "transformer effect" reduce this and the inductance? If the flux is constant (in space) around the toroid, why do you think there will be attractive forces? Or are you pulsing the primary with a short enough pulse so that the whole toroid is not magnetized? Actually I expect very weak repulsive forces possibly from leakage flux in the toroid. -Dave >> Dave, I am typing operation in more detail now. I will post to list with your questions. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 2 16:27:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07705; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:27:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:27:16 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:17:47 -0700 To: pgb@padrak.com (BCC: All_Send_Lists) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Call for Papers: 2nd Inter. Conf. On Antigravity Research Cc: iufo@world.std.com (I_UFO-L), antigravity@primenet.com (Antigravity List), freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) Resent-Message-ID: <"0bAzV3.0.Hu1.ZjCcu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13805 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com CALL FOR ABSTRACTS: 2ND ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON ANTIGRAVITY RESEARCH Time And Location: JUNE 23, 24, AND 25th RENO PUBLIC LIBRARY RENO, NEVADA THEME: "PROGRESS IN INERTIAL PROPULSION DEVELOPMENT" Topics: * Force Field Propulsion * Metric Engineering For Warp Travel * Experiments In Gravity Shielding * Progress In Inertial Propulsion: * Theory * Experiments * Theories Of Gravity/Inertia Control * History Of Antigravity Devices * Government/Corporate Suppression Of Ag * Technology * Commercialization Of Inertial And Ag * Propulsion * Patent Protection Of Ag Inventions * Extraterrestrial Ag Technology ABSTRACT RECEIPT DEADLINE: MARCH 31, 2000 Mail To: James E. Cox Editor, AG News P.O.Box 71151 Reno, Nevada 89570-1151 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.padrak.com/agn/CFP2.html Feb. 2, 2000. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 3 03:38:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA30866; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 03:38:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 03:38:13 -0800 Message-ID: <389968D6.720F@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:39:02 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Alderson CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A self-addressed stamped envelope References: <200002022126.IAA11021@turbo.turboweb.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pUyRp2.0.BY7.bYMcu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13806 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Hi Bruce. > I am sending my envelope to you today. It should arrive in a few days... > errr... weeks from Australia. > > Let's get your products producing less polution and more $. > Good Luck. > > - Allan. You guys are great! It is a good feeling to have your support. I am more confident than ever that we will have a non polluting product this year. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 3 10:55:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA16593; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:55:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:55:12 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: JL Naudin's Work Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20000203190558046.AAA243@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"Pno8U3.0.834.FyScu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13807 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ahoy There, For those of you who are attempting to understand and/or possibly replicate the work of Jean-Luis Naudin, I have an URL which may be helpful. The information contained is quite comprehensive, but well condensed, and gives some excellent practical, hands-on advice for working with high voltage circuits. It also brings together and explains much of the underlying theory behind plasma physics, laser physics, nuclear phenomena, and many electrical concepts. I highly recommend spending the time to read this stuff, thoroughly. Follow all the links, too. It's a goldmine. http://www.misty.com/people/don/donflash.html Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 3 11:40:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA04700; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:39:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:39:42 -0800 Message-ID: <005b01bf6e7d$9b0003a0$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> From: "skot" To: Subject: Tip the Balance Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:33:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01BF6E3A.8C813620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"VkBDN.0.991.wbTcu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13808 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BF6E3A.8C813620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an idea which sprang directly from a design Butch sent me. Start by visualizing the generator without the rotor in place. The distances between the four tips are the same. Each tip has the opposite polarity on either side. ( With the coil reacting with a load. ) You have all this flux wanting to go to both neighbors ( ajacent tips ) but restricted by like sized air gaps. It doesn't care which neighbor it goes to. With a slight prodding one way it will go to one neighbor, with the prodding to other way it goes to the other neighbor. Since the flux doesn't really have a preferance as to which side it goes to, it should take very little torque for the rotor to direct it. Because this is such a simple design I think I may even be able to scrounge up the stuff to build one. 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Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Radiant energy device!] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"WUXU53.0.ag3.YOacu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13809 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Received: from lbmail9.listbot.com (lbmail9.listbot.com [204.71.191.7]) by mail1.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA11772 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16513 invoked by uid 108); 4 Feb 2000 03:21:58 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact nuenergy-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list nuenergy@listbot.com Reply-To: "Nu Energy Horizons" Received: (qmail 17740 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 03:22:13 -0000 Received: from mail2.fcgnetworks.net (208.210.86.12) by lb3.listbot.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 03:22:13 -0000 Received: from mail1.fcgnetworks.net (root@mail1.fcgnetworks.net [208.210.86.6]) by mail2.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA53139 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from isis (man11-pool-24.fcgnetworks.net [208.210.85.88]) by mail1.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA11756 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:21:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <389A4615.2057@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:23:01 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons Subject: Re: Radiant energy device! References: <004601bf6a86$4e4b8fc0$dea270d1@acer> <38934A61.50CD@cyberportal.net> <389A0912.2D416A23@diesel.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org Hansford wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > This last post has me intrigued! What is liquid light? It is an effect that I discovered coming from one of my coil designs somewhere around the year 1982 or 83'. A warm purplish light jumps to your finger and does not give a shock. This light can be pull out to about two inches... it does burn if left on your finger for too long. -BAP ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com ______________________________________________________________________ 466MHZ PC for ONLY $449! 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 3 22:38:17 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA10041; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:38:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:38:06 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <84.fa2664.25cbcda6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:37:26 EST Subject: Final design concept/30days/ou To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, brettnichols@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_84.fa2664.25cbcda6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"vjKrF.0.oS2.DFdcu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13810 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_84.fa2664.25cbcda6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Out of three different layouts that all were based on the transformer effect among other things, I will be using the concept shown in the attached drawings. Only one coil is shown. There will be a primary and secondary in the working model. The attached zip file can only be viewed in MS-Word97. Go to 100% for best viewing. My post following this one will have a zip file with gif drawings for those without 97. The gif files are not good for viewing but all I can post tonight. I hope to have a 3d animation soon to illustrate design. The half rings in drawings are full circle in practice with a nonmagnetic, nonconductive, material filling in the gap. The two rings are placed on top of each other and stay in sink by electronic means. 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jlnlabs@egroups.com, brettnichols@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cc.127c8fa.25cbd1b1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"wrQBQ.0.Ip3.4Vdcu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13811 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_cc.127c8fa.25cbd1b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if the hard steel would produce any overunity when the polarity changed and the magnetic field collaped. 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HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.18aa812.25cbdb2b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:35:07 EST Subject: Sorry for typo To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, brettnichols@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"JR2fU2.0.4O5.J5ecu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13812 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In my lack of sleep stupor last night at 1:00 this morning in one of my posts I spelled sync, sink. I have got to start getting more sleep. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 4 16:44:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07886; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:44:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:44:06 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQn3XNbpC3N3m3DhpSQsusOtKjRVQIUWECPUkBGEpGSewrRvfzjXKlhptk= From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:44:03 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: The GENESIS Project Message-ID: <13766-389B7253-10563@storefull-127.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-URL-Title: The GENESIS Project Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"CdCUo3.0.7x1.M9tcu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13813 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 5 09:17:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA05844; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:17:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:17:01 -0800 Message-ID: <389C5B3C.6DF8@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:17:48 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: fuel cells in transportation - coming attractions] Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"lY3Nn1.0.7R1.Ci5du"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13814 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Path: news.monad.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!207.15.7.2!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTE D!not-for-mail From: "Steve Spence" Newsgroups: alt.energy.renewable,sci.energy.hydrogen Subject: fuel cells in transportation - coming attractions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:51:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.9.95.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 949765867 24.9.95.2 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:51:07 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:51:07 PST Organization: @Home Network Xref: news.monad.net alt.energy.renewable:20155 sci.energy.hydrogen:9873 U.S. and Canada All of the "Big Three" automakers, along with some smaller, independent companies, are working on fuel cells. Chrysler (DaimlerChrysler) Chrysler has unveiled a fuel cell concept vehicle based on the Jeep Commander. The engine is a fuel cell/battery hybrid designed to utilize gasoline as fuel. The company plans to have a working methanol hybrid fuel cell system in the Commander by the end of 1999. (1/99) General Motors GM has displayed a fuel cell powered version of the Zafira compact van, manufactured by the company's Opel subsidiary in Europe. The vehicle is powered by a 50kW PEM fuel cell stack and utilizes methanol fuel. (10/98) Officials say GM intends to have a "production ready" fuel cell vehicle by 2004. (1/98) GM's Delphi subsidiary is working with ARCO and Exxon to jointly develop on-board fuel processing technology and hardware to convert gasoline to hydrogen for use in PEM fuel cell engines. Ford Motor Corporation Ford has unveiled a fuel cell powered sedan, the P2000 Prodigy, running on stored hydrogen. It is designed to achieve the same performance as Ford's Taurus, with a fuel cell engine that achieves the equivalent of 90 horsepower. (1/99) Ford also introduced a P2000 SUV concept, a sport utility vehicle that will feature a fuel cell engine with a methanol reformer. (1/99) Ford is allied with Ballard and Daimler-Benz in three companies that will develop and market fuel cell engines and electric drive trains. Ford and Mobil are collaborating on a fuel processor to extract hydrogen from hydrocarbon fuels for use in fuel cell vehicles. (3/98) Ballard Power Systems Ballard is the leading supplier of PEM fuel cells for transportation applications. The company has received orders from auto manufacturers around the world. The first "real" demonstration vehicle using modern fuel cell technology was a 32-foot bus rolled out in 1993 by Ballard. The cities of Chicago, Illinois, and Vancouver, B.C., are conducting field trials of a second generation of buses. Energy Partners Energy Partners claims the first fuel cell passenger car, a demonstration sports car called the "Green Car." Energy Partners joined with John Deere Corporation on a project to develop fuel cell utility vehicles based on Deere's "Gator" vehicle. Georgetown University Georgetown is working with Ballard, International Fuel Cells, NOVABUS, and others under a U.S. Department of Transportation contract to develop full size transit buses powered by PEM and PAFC engines. Georgetown introduced a commercially viable fuel cell powered transit ubs in May 1998. The bus uses a 100kW PAFC engine from IFC and is methanol fueled with a 350 mile range. Georgetown managed the first modern U.S. fuel cell vehicle demonstration, delivering three PAFC buses beginning in 1991, under a contract with the Department of Energy. H-Power H-Power was the system integrator in the original DOE/Georgetown program and now makes PEM fuel cells for a variety of specialty mobile applications. In Spring 1998, H Power signed a contract with the New Jersey DOT to retrofit 65 variable message road signs with fuel cells. Humboldt University/Schatz Energy Research Center Schatz Energy Research Center (SERC) is researching and developing fuel cells for vehicles. In 1998, it unveiled a fuel cell powered version of the Danish Kewet, a two-seat coupe, and supported development of the T-1000 Neighborhood Truck, a half-ton pickup built by Coval H2 Partners and powered by a 6.5kW PEM fuel cell. Three hydrogen fuel cell golf carts developed by SERC have been in use in Palm Desert, California, since late-1996. International Fuel Cells United Technologies Corporation (UTC) teamed with Toshiba in a joint venture to produce fuel cells for cars in 2003. The new company retains the name International Fuel Cells. Once a part of UTC's Hamilton Standard division, IFC now reports separately to UTC. IFC has demonstrated a highly compact, 50kW PEM fuel cell system running on hydrogen and ambient air. IFC also developed a 100kW PAFC for powering the second-generation transit bus for Georgetown University's program. Plug Power, L.L.C. Plug Power, L.L.C., along with Arthur D. Little, Inc., and Los Alamos National Laboratory, has successfully demonstrated a fuel cell operating on hydrogen derived from gasoline. The group is now focusing on integrating the system into a vehicle. The system is expected to be twice as efficient as gasoline internal combustion engines, with 90% less emissions. Europe Daimler-Benz (DaimlerChrysler) Diamler-Benz has been road testing a fuel cell van, NECAR, since 1993. Daimler has developed and operated three generations of fuel cell passenger vehicles, utilizing a variety of fuels. Daimler-Benz is also road testing a hydrogen fueled passenger bus in Stuttgart. Mercedes-Benz Mexico also has plans to test a NEBUS. Daimler has committed US$725 million into its partnership with Ballard. The team expects to demonstrate a commercially viable fuel cell car by the end of 1999, and plans to produce 100,000 engines a year for 2004. Shell Oil has teamed with DBB Fuel Cell Engines, one of the partnership companies, to develop the hydrogen infrastructure for fuel cell vehicles. De Nora S.p.A. Italian fuel cell researcher De Nora S.p.A. is working with PEM fuel cells for buses and marine applications. The company is completing an advanced design PEMFC for a European Union bus program, and is cooperating with Renault on a fuel cell car project. DeNora supplied the fuel cell engine demonstrated in the Coval truck. Peugot/Citroen Peugot/Citroen is involved in a European joint PEM fuel cell program designed to reduce fuel cell system weight and costs. Renault Renault has designed, built and tested a fuel cell powered Laguna Estate. Renault built its own fuel cell for the car. (1/99) A joint Franch-Italian-Swedish venture is developing a vehicle based on a Renault station wagon. The FEVER ("Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle for Efficiency and Range") is powered by a PEM fuel cell system and runs on stored liquid hydrogen, with a nickel-metal hydride battery for energy buffer storage. Expected range is 500km (310mi). Volkswagen/Volvo In a joint project, Volvo and Volkswagen have announced plans for a methanol-fueled PEM fuel cell hybrid "Golf"-type car to be on the road by 1999. Zevco ZEVCO's fuel cell powered taxis are being tested in-use on the streets of London. The cabs run on alkaline fuel cells, and cost about US$7,363 more than a conventional diesel cab. Asia Toyota Toyota has unveiled methanol-fueled and hydrogen-fueled versions of its FCEV, based on its RAV4 sport utility vehicle. Both use Toyota's own PEM engines in hybrid configuration. Exxon and Toyota are working on technology to extract hydrogen from gasoline. Toyota has said methanol is the preferred option in the near term. Mazda Mazda unveiled a fuel cell concept car, based on its Demio compact, fueled by hydrogen. (12/97) Nissan Nissan announced plans to begin selling fuel cell vehicles by 2003-2005. In its prototype car, the fuel cell runs on methanol and is aided by a lithium ion battery for extra power. (9/98) Nissan first began testing Ballard fuel cells for vehicles in the early 1990s. Nissan recently contracted with Ballard for Can$3.5 million for fuel cells, related equipment and support. (1/99) Honda Honda's president has announced company plans to develop a fuel cell vehicles by 2003. (6/98) Honda is working with Ballard fuel cells and related test equipment. http://www.fuelcells.org/ -- Steve Spence Renewable Energy Pages http://www.webconx.com ICQ 50073546 If we don't believe in freedom of speech for people who we disagree with, we don't believe in it at all. -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 5 17:04:23 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA07174; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:03:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:03:56 -0800 Message-ID: <20000206010348.19087.qmail@www0q.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 5 Feb 00 20:03:48 EST From: Horace To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [The GENESIS Project] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.0.33) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA07148 Resent-Message-ID: <"47Z5Y2.0._l1.yXCdu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13815 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I'm sorry, I couldn't understand it wery well. The English grammar of his article is very lacking, preventing any clear comprehension. What's this person's first language anyway? >From the photographs, it seems that the author has done some pretty elegant prototypes to prove his concept, and these prototypes are containing large bifilar coil and emitting light, which might mean that they are working. Unfortunately no contact or test data is given, so I can't tell if there is any electrical energy input, and if there is - how much ? There are no oscillograms of the electrical waveforms in the circuit or much useful data that would show any difference between his setup and a complicated night-light. Nevertheles, I am interested, it is possible that this guy is onto something but can't communicate it to others in English. Just give me something solid to chew on... Horace B777b77@webtv.net (R B) wrote: > http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 5 18:12:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27977; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:12:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: <006a01bf7047$95686920$15b57ed8@mrand> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: [The GENESIS Project] Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:12:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PC8iO2.0.0r6.JYDdu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13816 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Horace, What is your observations on Jean-Louis' GDP new measurements data's at http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/s_gdp4.htm ? Regards, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Horace To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, February 05, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [The GENESIS Project] > >I'm sorry, I couldn't understand it wery well. > >The English grammar of his article is very lacking, preventing any clear >comprehension. What's this person's first language anyway? > >>From the photographs, it seems that the author has done some pretty elegant >prototypes to prove his concept, and these prototypes are containing large >bifilar coil and emitting light, which might mean that they are working. > >Unfortunately no contact or test data is given, so I can't tell if there is >any electrical energy input, and if there is - how much ? >There are no oscillograms of the electrical waveforms in the circuit or much >useful data that would show any difference between his setup and a complicated >night-light. > >Nevertheles, I am interested, it is possible that this guy is onto something >but can't communicate it to others in English. >Just give me something solid to chew on... > >Horace > > >B777b77@webtv.net (R B) wrote: >> http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 7 12:32:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA26804; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0800 Message-ID: <389F397E.A48602E7@telusplanet.net> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:30:39 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Car uses less gasoline with cheap filter References: <13766-389B7253-10563@storefull-127.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1WpWk2.0.YY6.2lodu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13817 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Has any body ever experimented with the below? If so what sort of mileage increase did you get? ------------------------ (word processor parameters LM=8, RM=75, TM=2, BM=2) Taken from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Sponsored by Vangard Sciences PO BOX 1031 Mesquite, TX 75150 There are ABSOLUTELY NO RESTRICTIONS on duplicating, publishing or distributing the files on KeelyNet except where noted! March 28, 1992 GFILTER.ASC -------------------------------------------------------------------- This file shared with KeelyNet courtesy of John Draper. -------------------------------------------------------------------- VEHICLE GASOLINE FUEL PURIFIER Remove the impurities that the refineries leave in .... Clean burn gasoline promotes: o Better Combustion o More Power o Better Mileage o Cleaner Emissions WARNING !! - This project involves cutting gasoline fuel lines, and is NOT recommended to those who do not feel comfortable cutting fuel lines, making leak proof connections and working with a volatile substance. This project was one of the most interesting, that I have ever done. I wish I had more experience in chemistry so that the results could be tailored as desired. What we are doing, is making a charcoal filter and installing it in the fuel line. The particular type of charcoal used, removes the paraffins and varnishes from the gasoline, thus making it burn faster and more completely. The filter is installed between the carburetor and fuel pump on carburated cars. I have never used one with fuel injection, however there is no reason not to, if one understands the fuel pressures generated by the fuel pump, and designs this project with that in mind. The information about this project, was obtained from a retired petroleum engineer, who worked for a refinery in Tulsa, Oklahoma for 25 years. Refineries, refine gasoline just enough to meet what government regulations require, and no more. This is done as a matter of cost. Higher grade fuels for aircraft and other high performance requirements, are also made, but at a significantly higher cost, because of the additional refining required. Page 1 Cracking or the refining process for crude oil, uses heat to derive the many products, including gasoline products. There is another way of separating the various elements, purely mechanical, using the properties of activated charcoal. One pound of activated charcoal, has the equivalent of 6.4 acres of surface area. Passing the gasoline through charcoal, larger molecules of paraffin and varnishes, are trapped in the charcoal, allowing only the smaller, lighter hydrocarbons to pass through. The activated charcoal used in the construction of this project is a coconut based charcoal, which has the particular properties that we are looking for. Dry cleaning establishments use coconut charcoal as one of the methods they use to keep their dry cleaning fluid clean, so they don't have to change it so often. Construction Details The construction of the charcoal filter uses sealed, PVC pipe and end caps. The filter can be made up of steel pipe, using the same dimensions and sizes described. The filter will be effective approximately for 2500 to 3000 miles before the charcoal becomes saturated with impurities and loses its ability to trap the paraffins and varnishes. When the filter has become saturated with paraffins and varnishes, the filter will not stop gasoline flow, however. You will notice that performance is not what it had previously been. It is recommended that the very first filter be built using the PVC pipe. If you are satisfied with the results, consider building one out of steel pipe and threaded end caps, so that the charcoal cartridge may be replaced, at the same time you change your oil. Material Requirements: 1 pound of activated coconut charcoal. 12X30 Mesh. (1 lb. of charcoal will make 2 filters) May be obtained from: Barnaby & Sutcliffe Corp. 835 N. Cassady Avenue P.O. Box 2526 Columbus, Ohio 43216 Telephone: 614-258-9501 Barnaby & Sutcliffe's Part No. PC 1354. 1 Piece 2-1/2 inch, O.D. X 7 inch long PVC or ABS Plastic pipe. 2 Pieces 2-1/2 inch, End Caps PVC or ABS Material 2 Brass Fittings, 1/8 Male pipe thread to 5/16 inch compression type. Page 2 1 Womens knee high or panty hose style Nylon stocking. (Used to contain the charcoal catalyst material) 1 Can of PVC or ABS Bonding Adhesive 1 Can or Bottle of Plastic Cleaner. Length of 5/16 gas line hose. Standard, replaceable fuel line filter to be installed before the carburetor or injectors, to catch any loose charcoal particles. Worm gear clamps. ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTION Take the 7 inch sleeve, check ends for burrs and uneven spots after cutting, and smooth them out. Then set the sleeve on work bench to prepare for packing the charcoal catalyst. Take the NYLON panty hose (one of the legs), check and make sure that there are no holes or runners. The Nylon hose, is an inexpensive method to contain the catalyst bed. Tie a knot in one end of the nylon hose, and cut off the excess. Then insert the tied end, into the top opening of the PVC sleeve, until it touches the bottom. Allow 4 or 5 inches of nylon hose to protrude above the top of the PVC sleeve. (This creates a funnel effect) Then take the catalyst carbon material using a paper cup as a scoop, pour the carbon catalyst into the nylon hose. It may be necessary to use a funnel if your hand isn't steady. Fill the nylon hose carefully, making sure that the carbon catalyst is spreading out evenly within the sleeve. Tapping on the sleeve body with a screw driver or similar tool while filling, will help the carbon catalyst settle and pack. After the sock is completely full, draw the loose end and tie a knot in it as close and tight as possible. Cut off the surplus. Be careful not to puncture the nylon material. Take two pieces of light gauge steel band (the type that is used for strapping of wooden crates) 3/8 inch width, cut square 1/16 inch longer than the inside width of the PVC sleeve. (These are used as the carbon catalyst bed, retainers). After cutting the bands to size, wrap them with plastic electrical tape. Insert one strip into each end of the PVC sleeve on a angle, and force them against the tied nylon hose ends within the PVC sleeve. These bands will lock into place holding with their sharp corners and retain the carbon catalyst bed from shifting. The steel bands should bow-inward, toward the middle of the sleeve. The PVC sleeve is now a complete cartridge ready for the final assembly. Drill a 5/16 inch hole in the center of both end caps. Using a 1/8 inch pipe tap, thread each cap from outer surface to only half length of the tap, to allow for a tight fit. (This procedure applies only when using PVC or plastic material). Use a plastic cleaner and a clean rag, wipe both ends of the sleeve and the inner rim of the end caps, making sure they are clean. Allow the area to dry. Apply bonding cement to the inner sides of Page 3 the end caps and sleeve ends. Slip the end caps over the ends of the sleeve and rotate while forcing the unit together. Allow to dry for two hours. Assemble the brass fittings to the threaded end caps using a pipe thread compound. Cut two pieces of 5/16 inch copper tubing 3 inches long, and insert one in each brass fitting and tighten. Neoprene fuel lines can now be attached to the filter. (For fuel injected engines - Make sure that the hose you use, can withstand the pressures of the fuel pump - Don't skimp!) Mounting Instructions: The filter should be mounted vertically, with the input hose from the fuel pump, going into the TOP of the filter. Mount the unit under the hood of the vehicle, preferably in the space between the radiator and the front grill. If no space is available there, mount it in the engine compartment away from the exhaust manifolds. Most installation made in the engine compartment are mounted on wall of the inside fender area. A simple bracket can be made for mounting, using an ordinary worm gear hose clamp around the sleeve body. NOTE : When gasoline goes into the unit for the first time, the filter becomes hot, because of the catalytic reaction of the gasoline and charcoal. After a moment, the purifier will become cool, and will remain so thereafter. For people who need a racing fuel: Build the filter as described, but with the following exceptions: You can make your own racing fuel by making the filter 24 inches long, and manually pouring untreated gasoline through it, catching the treated fuel in a gasoline container. You can make just enough fuel you will need for race day. I suggest that you make a floor stand for the filter, with a funnel arrangement at the top. The longer length will provide much more filtering, providing a very volatile fuel. Of course, this will require more charcoal in the making of the filter. Be sure that you install a standard fuel filter to catch any loose charcoal particles. I like using the paper type element, fuel filters. BE SAFE.....DOUBLE CHECK ALL CONNECTIONS AND FITTINGS FOR LEAKS. -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard Sciences address as listed on the first page. Thank you for your consideration, interest and support. Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet -------------------------------------------------------------------- If we can be of service, you may contact Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 4 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 00:56:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA26762; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:56:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:56:44 -0800 Message-ID: <007301bf7212$59723d20$46e135ca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: Mass and measurement Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:54:06 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"fom9e.0.-X6.Cfzdu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13818 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com According to Kaye & Laby, 15th (1986): The mass of a proton is apparently 1836.152701 times that of an electron. Given the value of electron rest mass to be 9.1093897e-31 kg, this gives mass of proton to be 1.67262305e-27 kg thus, the mass of hydrogen-1 should be: 1.67353599e-27 kg The AMU is given as 1.6605402e-27 g/N-mol Note: the AMU is defined in terms of C12 For Hydrogen, the mass is 1.673725e-27, according to the "Properties of the Elements" table. Given Avogadro's number, 6.0221367e+23, the mass of a mole of protons would be 0.0010073 kg the mass of a mole of AMU's would be 0.0010000 kg the mass of a mole of Hydrogen would be 0.0010079 kg Anyone got any corrections to the above numbers ? Basically, what I am trying to derive is the mass of the proton so that I can arrive at the inverse: mass as a unit in terms of quantities of protons. composed and sent from Paul E. Anderson's computer (with or without my permission) ============================== ICQ 52281118 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 03:44:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA17349; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:44:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:44:30 -0800 Message-ID: <38A00F5F.E7F7A0F9@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:43:11 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization References: <007301bf7212$59723d20$46e135ca@xplornote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zxVdo2.0.-E4.T60eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13819 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit goofy, I saw a fascinating article on telomers and protein melodies recently that blew my socks off and seems to be saying some similiar things... ---------snip----------- Thoughts on the Avatar system, its interesting how things seem to come together, thoughts I had which I felt were unique often seem to come back to be in reflections and thoughts others seem to have. Not that this invalidates the thoughts with any sort of merit, still its interesting how similarity converges. I have often attempted to envision myself 'as' something else, a plant, an animal a non living object, etc... and this is what Avatar suggests as an exercise. I.e. I have tried to envisioned a tenuous thread of energy between myself and electronic circuits and attempted to imagine myself merging with them in such a fashion that I mock hallucinate that I can cycle their operations at a rate that suits me... such as causing a traffic light to turn green faster and also causing a breathalyzer to indicate a pass rather than a fail by simply 'becoming' the unit and guiding it to the outcome I wished for. Often, in different venues pertaining to mind control we come across suggestions for the use of tools such as affirmations, etc... and one idea that pops up on a fairly regular basis is that of visualizing an event, outcome or set of results in an intense fashion and then 'letting go' (see the PK-Luck File) or ceasing the visualization for a time and then starting the process up again. Some authors claim that it is usually during the 'letting go period' that the results begin to manifest... I wouldn't be surprised if there is a possible relationship between this process and orgone theory and various organic and atmospheric scenarios... i.e. weather storm energetic releases, orgasm, etc... One thing that should be considered for experimentation in light of the above is the idea of frequency cycling rates and current mental framework. I would hypothesize that the period of visualization (imagining) followed by 'letting go' periods can be made to be more effective by modifying the rate or speed that this two fold process occurs and also the interval between these processes, i.e. where (vp) = visualization period, (lgp)= 'letting go period), and where (a) = absence of consciously related directed activity. It should be noted that '(a)' simply represents the period of time between the actions of (vp) and (lgp). Further, it should be understood that (lgp) is not currently meant by the author to represent a time of absence of activity but it is rather a period of time in which both the conscious and subconscious is actively seeking release from the previous activity of (vp). It is suggested to be a period of contraction after expansion. You can liken this to the scenario where an elastic band is pulled taut. When stretched out and under pressure the state is likened to (vp), when the elastic is being released it is in a state of contraction. When the elastic band is in its original form and is at rest where it is neither being stretched nor is it actively contracting this can be likened to the state of (a). The author feels that in order for a true (lgp) state to exist there should be no opposing conscious or subconscious effort to reverse contraction in other words (lgp) must be fully or very near fully occurring in order to actually occur, when letting go you must truly let go. It is in the state of fully letting go where (lgp) might appear similar in properties to a state of (a) since the individual may experience a sensation of void or non-activity. However the difference between the two states of (lgp) and (a) can generally be understood by the following properties; (lgp) - a sense of decelerating or accelerating velocity to a relaxed state may be felt regardless of focus, its likely that some degree of fading thoughts from (vp) state will be felt draining away - once contraction has occurred a sense of relaxation related to the exercise may be felt - once contraction has occurred a sense of momentum towards the directed goal may be felt or seen in a demonstrable or subtle way (a) none of the above properties are likely to be present except the last one, in this state the individual is simply attending to all other mental activities (passive or active) related to his or her day to day living. The rate of speed at which the above process occurs will be referred to as the 'process frequency rate' or (pFR) and the desired outcome or RESULT will be represented by (R) so that; [ (vp)+(lgp)+(a) ] * (pFR) = (R) If the mental visualization of a desired outcome can indeed affect the materialization of a given outcome (and there is plenty of good reasons to think this is so on many different levels of consciously perceived reality) the it simply makes sense that the frequency rate of the process should also have a tremendous effect on the probability of eventual materialization and also the speed at which materialization occurs relative to the individual initiating the process. The process can be conceived also as the flexing of a muscle; (vp) = muscle flexion (lgp) = muscle relaxation (a) = period of rest between flexion (pFR) = period of time between states of muscle flexion or the RATE at which flexion occurs In fact, when increasing the speed of the frequency the individual may actually feel a mental strain as though a muscle is indeed being exercised in the head, it is difficult to describe the sensation but it may indeed be a very tangible experience. Its recommended that when using this exercise that the individual sense a felling of 'connectedness' to the elements that the desired outcome is attached to. Their appears to be some real world examples of the above process's merit, some of these are; 1.) Rife generator, where various disease pathogens etc., respond to very specific 'frequency rates' of RF,EMF and sound waves 2.) Physical manipulation, where a given learned skill is used to alter physical reality. For example A person studies welding and practices the skill over and over again and attempts to use the skill to physically alter inanimate material by applying the learned skill to it. The frequency or rate at which learning and practice occurs can be a determining factor to achieving results at the level or degree desired. If frequency of learning or practice is low then the probability of achieving desired results is likely to be low, conversely if the frequency of learning / practice is high then the probability of achieving the desired results is likely to be high. 3.) Morphogenic (informational) fields, ala Rupert Sheldrake where Sheldrake uses multiple examples to illustrate why #2 in the above occurs. It appears that his illustrations are dependent in large degree to frequency rates of processes. Might different specific rates yield the best results for specific types of outcomes? Possibly. For instance we already have hard data on some more obvious types. One obvious one is exercise, we know how much physical exertion can generally be put on the body to get a desired level of fitness and enhancement to overall physique but at the same time avoid damaging the body and causing burn out. There are very specific 'rates' for the process of this activity, examples are when fitness instructors speak of exercising every other day or when they indicate the number of 'set' or 'reps'. Cycling the process of mentally directed activity is likely to provide similar optimal benefits when applied to other kinds of desired outcomes. For instance, lets say a person wants to telekinetically cause a traffic light to change before its hard wired circuitry allows it to. By experimenting with the rate of the process the best frequency range may be determined. It may also be that these frequency ranges may vary from person to person for the same kinds of tasks and it may well be that some types of task may have universally fixed ranges for all individuals. Again some real world examples of this are when (variance occurs) a pharmaceutical may react differently to people have different internal biochemistry’s and when (fixed constants occur) a given rate of radiation occurs that causes damage to organic entities within a given fixed geographic location. I would like to experiment with doing rapid process cycles on simple thought experiments to see what the result is, I've tried it already and so far I find it a bit exhausting. More later..... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 03:59:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA20844; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:59:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:59:24 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:58:48 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <8210asc7gb9b0s78gc1jglq0lk39jbf2dq@4ax.com> References: <007301bf7212$59723d20$46e135ca@xplornote> In-Reply-To: <007301bf7212$59723d20$46e135ca@xplornote> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id DAA20825 Resent-Message-ID: <"aOZog.0.b55.RK0eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13820 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:54:06 +0700, xplorer wrote: [snip] >Basically, what I am trying to derive is the mass of the proton > so that I can arrive at the inverse: mass as a unit in terms of quantities >of protons. [snip] The problem with this is that the mass of the proton varies from element to element (or at least if you divide the proton proportion of the total mass by the number of protons, you get a different number for each element). The same is true of neutrons. So "weighing" by numbers of protons is pointless, which is precisely why the amu is used. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 06:58:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA03378; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:57:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:57:42 -0800 From: Charlie Hodgson Reply-To: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com Organization: Society for Real Time To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:22:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <007301bf7212$59723d20$46e135ca@xplornote> <38A00F5F.E7F7A0F9@telusplanet.net> In-Reply-To: <38A00F5F.E7F7A0F9@telusplanet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00020810081500.02894@cougar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id GAA03046 Resent-Message-ID: <"-maF42.0.Xq.cx2eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13821 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, D Adams wrote: > thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit goofy, > One thing that should be considered for experimentation in light of the above > is the idea of frequency cycling rates and current mental framework. I would > hypothesize that the period of visualization (imagining) followed by 'letting > go' periods can be made to be more effective by modifying the rate or speed > that this two fold process occurs and also the interval between these > processes, i.e. where (vp) = visualization period, (lgp)= 'letting go period), > and where (a) = absence of consciously related directed activity. My thoughts on this is that the subconscious (id) controls the materilization of the thought, and it cannot proceed until the conscious (ego) has released control of the thought. The super-ego has some play here, probably as an agent of the ego or a failsafe device of for the id. In any event, the result is the same. In my experiences this is how it works. The traffic light doesn't change until I apply the parking brake, while consciously thinking that it isn't going to change anytime soon. If I apply the brake thinking that this will cause the light to change, it doesn't. When waiting for a bus to come, it doesn't. If I light a cigerrette, the bus will turn the corner, but only if I light it thinking I have time to enjoy it before the bus comes. If I have any other agenda (lighting up WILL cause it to come), it won't work. I think it relates to the ego needing to keep control. Once the ego gives up the exercise as pointless, the id chimes in and makes it reality. I have that effect with dice, cards, dominoes and other similar devices. I can frequently pick the item I need from a random group, so long as the intent is correct (super-ego). When playing parchissi, for example, I cannot effect the dice if the result would be to bump another player, though if the desired result is just to progress to a safety, I'll more often then not get it. If I succumb to the dice, they will work for me. If at any time I believe that I control the dice, then I can't. In this case I think the id putting the ego in it's place In most of my experiences the effect occurs as soon as I go into the 'lgp' state. There is never a need to repeat the process, so 'a' doesn't come into play. I have read that the intensity of the 'vp' has a great deal to do with the outcome, but I don't think I agree. I haven't had any luck whatsoever (to the best of my knowledge) on more complicated matters, though maybe I need to try your method on these. The 'lgp' state is very hard to achieve, because the ego controls when we attempt to let go. If we let go so as to force a result, the ego hasn't really let go, though you may believe that it has. By cycling between your three states you get many opportunities to let go. The more you cycle, the less likely the ego is to believe that it can effect the outcome. At some point the ego will fully let go and results will then occur. You have an interesting theory - I will try to utilize when an opportunity presents itself. Charlie -- Ten is a Dark Blue Seven From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 07:07:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA08561; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:07:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:07:07 -0800 Message-ID: <38A03151.72C9@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:08:01 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! References: <001e01bf7121$d99bf780$54a270d1@acer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aEuni3.0.b52.Q43eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13822 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com sparky wrote: > > Dear Mr. Perreault, > I'm sitting around waiting to get started on this project. So, > when are we gonna get moving? Just as sson as the I get word on the provisional. Recent donations have allowed me to go ahead with the patent process. The provisional will be filed by tommorow the latest. It is so well done that a non-provisional could be filed. However, I will need to consult a patent attorney if a patent application gets rejected. The should be a few more dollars set aside to do this right. Any extra donations that have been sent in over the past couple of days will be used wisely to develop a nice distributor kit. > > We don't have to wait for everyone to get their envelopes back, do we? Yes... it shouldn't be more than a few weeks to get word back from the patent office. Then you guys and gals here will be able to fly with it. It is just as frustrating for me... but if we do this the wrong way then we could all end up losing. > > We can start planning now or, whenever you are ready. ( :o)) I promised full disclosure and I will keep my commitment to you. In fact, I will be here to see that we develop a real working team in the Edison spirit. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 07:22:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA15353; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:21:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <38A034BB.2898@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:22:35 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Squires CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New development References: <389EED97.A4CD5ADC@dialnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GORcg1.0.nl3.5I3eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13823 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bob, There is a vital key missing from this guys design. You will see what I mean once you get my info. sent to you. Alot of folks here should be delightfully surprized. -BAP Bob Squires wrote: > > Hi guys ; > > Sounds quite interesting. > > Bob > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Fwd: New development] > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:08:05 -0600 > From: John & Gloria Squires > To: rjlsq@dialnet.net > CC: djsquires@plix.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: New development > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:17:54 +0400 > From: "Akhmedov, Balashirin A." > To: "'jesus4u2@dialnet.net'" > > Dear John, > > Inform you that I made the new development in my gesign. I have transfered > into my webpage that additional research results. That is a very interesting > and revolutionary method. My webpage address on internet; > http://members.xoom.com/AltEnerTech/ I like the world would be aware of my > research. You can learn about my technology via internet. Please, let me > know your point of view. > > Your Sincerely, > Akhmedov Balash. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 09:28:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA28350; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:27:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:27:53 -0800 Message-ID: <20000208172715.55210.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.150] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:27:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"a6tTl.0.sw6.O85eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13824 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This starts off with some really good truth ... I boil it down to keep a note book!!! go to your local art store and buy a reply good professional sketch book... they come in all sizes ... and are nicely bound just like a real book only much heaver pages... now every time you have a idea put it in the book... not in written form like a but just as a quick sketch... you are not using this for others to see just yourself... now when you have some idle time refine your sketches and add more... over the years as you keep coming back to the same idea you'll be amazed how your ideas will change ... I am amazed how my first sketches looked ageist the actual product that I have produced... some are exactly the same and others are not even close... but it allows me to remember to think and rethink ideas ... as for really changing a stop light or the arrival of a buss..... pure BS... but it dose alter your perception... and that can make a big difference in how well a drug works or cancer is cured... I'm a true believer in the power of the mind as I had several doctors tell me I would not live to see 21!!! I'm 35 so I guess I proved them wrong :) Timothy... >thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit >goofy, >I saw a fascinating article on telomers and protein melodies recently that >blew >my >socks off and seems to be saying some similiar things... > >---------snip----------- >Thoughts on the Avatar system, its interesting how things seem to come >together, thoughts I had which I felt were unique often seem to come back >to be >in reflections and >thoughts others seem to have. Not that this invalidates the thoughts with >any >sort of merit, still its >interesting how similarity converges. > >I have often attempted to envision myself 'as' something else, a plant, an >animal a non living object, etc... and this is what Avatar suggests as an >exercise. > >I.e. I have tried to envisioned a tenuous thread of energy between myself >and >electronic circuits and attempted to imagine myself merging with them in >such >a fashion that I mock hallucinate that I can cycle their operations at a >rate >that suits me... such as causing a traffic light to turn green faster and >also >causing a breathalyzer to indicate a pass rather than a fail by simply >'becoming' the unit and guiding it to the outcome I wished for. > >Often, in different venues pertaining to mind control we come across >suggestions for the use of tools such as affirmations, etc... and one idea >that >pops up on a fairly regular basis is that of visualizing an event, outcome >or >set of results in an intense fashion and then 'letting go' (see the PK-Luck >File) or ceasing the visualization for a time and then starting the process >up >again. Some authors claim that it is usually during the 'letting go >period' >that the results begin to manifest... I wouldn't be surprised if there is a >possible relationship between this process and orgone theory and various >organic and atmospheric scenarios... i.e. weather storm energetic releases, >orgasm, etc... > >One thing that should be considered for experimentation in light of the >above >is the idea of frequency cycling rates and current mental framework. I >would >hypothesize that the period of visualization (imagining) followed by >'letting >go' periods can be made to be more effective by modifying the rate or speed >that this two fold process occurs and also the interval between these >processes, i.e. where (vp) = visualization period, (lgp)= 'letting go >period), >and where (a) = absence of consciously related directed activity. > >It should be noted that '(a)' simply represents the period of time between >the >actions of (vp) and (lgp). Further, it should be understood that (lgp) is >not >currently meant by the >author to represent a time of absence of activity but it is rather a period >of >time in which both the >conscious and subconscious is actively seeking release from the previous >activity of (vp). It is >suggested to be a period of contraction after expansion. You can liken >this to >the scenario where >an elastic band is pulled taut. When stretched out and under pressure the >state >is likened to (vp), when the elastic is being >released it is in a state of contraction. When the elastic band is in its >original form and is at rest where it is neither being stretched nor is it >actively contracting this can be likened to the state of (a). The author >feels >that in order for a true (lgp) state to exist there should be no opposing >conscious or subconscious effort to reverse contraction in other words >(lgp) >must be fully or very near fully occurring in order to actually occur, when >letting go you must truly let go. It is in the state of >fully letting go where (lgp) might appear similar in properties to a state >of >(a) since the individual may experience a sensation of void or >non-activity. >However the difference between the two states of (lgp) and (a) can >generally be >understood by the following properties; > >(lgp) > > - a sense of decelerating or accelerating velocity to a relaxed state may >be >felt regardless of focus, its likely that some degree of fading thoughts >from >(vp) >state will be felt draining away > - once contraction has occurred a sense of relaxation related to the >exercise >may be felt > >- once contraction has occurred a sense of momentum towards the directed >goal > may be felt or seen in a demonstrable or subtle way > >(a) none of the above properties are likely to be present except the last >one, >in this state the individual is simply attending to all other mental >activities >(passive or >active) related to his or her day to day living. > >The rate of speed at which the above process occurs will be referred to as >the >'process frequency rate' or (pFR) and the desired outcome or RESULT will be >represented by (R) so that; > >[ (vp)+(lgp)+(a) ] * (pFR) = (R) > >If the mental visualization of a desired outcome can indeed affect the >materialization of a given outcome (and there is plenty of good reasons to >think >this is so on many different >levels of consciously perceived reality) the it simply makes sense that the >frequency rate of the process >should also have a tremendous effect on the probability of eventual >materialization and also the speed at >which materialization occurs relative to the individual initiating the >process. >The process can be conceived also as the flexing of a muscle; > >(vp) = muscle flexion >(lgp) = muscle relaxation >(a) = period of rest between flexion >(pFR) = period of time between states of muscle flexion or the RATE at >which >flexion occurs > >In fact, when increasing the speed of the frequency the individual may >actually >feel a mental strain as though a muscle is indeed being exercised in the >head, >it is >difficult to describe the sensation but it may indeed be a very tangible >experience. Its recommended that when >using this exercise that the individual sense a felling of 'connectedness' >to >the elements that the desired >outcome is attached to. > >Their appears to be some real world examples of the above process's merit, >some >of these are; > >1.) Rife generator, where various disease pathogens etc., respond to very >specific 'frequency rates' of RF,EMF and sound waves > >2.) Physical manipulation, where a given learned skill is used to alter >physical reality. For example A person studies welding and practices the >skill >over and over again and >attempts to use the skill to physically alter inanimate material by >applying >the learned skill to it. >The frequency or rate at which learning and practice occurs can be a >determining factor to achieving results at the level or > degree desired. If frequency of learning or practice is low then the >probability of achieving desired > results is likely to be low, conversely if the frequency of learning / >practice >is high then the > probability of achieving the desired results is likely to be high. > >3.) Morphogenic (informational) fields, ala Rupert Sheldrake where >Sheldrake >uses multiple examples to illustrate why #2 in the above occurs. It >appears >that his illustrations >are dependent in large degree to frequency rates of processes. > > >Might different specific rates yield the best results for specific types of >outcomes? Possibly. For instance we already have hard data on some more >obvious types. One obvious one is >exercise, we know how much physical exertion can generally be put on the >body >to get a desired level of fitness and enhancement to overall physique but >at >the same time avoid damaging the body and causing burn out. There are very >specific 'rates' for the process of this activity, examples are when >fitness >instructors speak of exercising every other day or when they indicate the >number of 'set' or 'reps'. > >Cycling the process of mentally directed activity is likely to provide >similar >optimal benefits when applied to other kinds of desired outcomes. For >instance, >lets say a person wants to >telekinetically cause a traffic light to change before its hard wired >circuitry >allows it to. By experimenting with the rate of the process the best >frequency >range may be determined. It may also be that these frequency ranges may >vary >from person to person for the same kinds of tasks and it may well be that >some >types of task may have universally fixed ranges for all individuals. Again >some real world examples of this are when (variance occurs) a >pharmaceutical >may react differently to people have different internal biochemistry’s and >when >(fixed constants occur) a given rate of radiation occurs that causes damage >to >organic entities within a given fixed geographic location. > >I would like to experiment with doing rapid process cycles on simple >thought >experiments to see what the result is, I've tried it already and so far I >find >it a bit exhausting. More later..... > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 09:33:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA32227; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:33:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:33:11 -0800 Message-ID: <20000208173232.29251.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.150] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:32:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"9nsZd1.0.St7.MD5eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13825 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com this reminds me of "the great lie" if you want to con someone just start with truth ... pure truth... then mix it with have truth... them introduce your lies... most people will buy your lies just because you have brought them "down the garden path" with your line of "truth" ... Timothy... >thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit >goofy, >I saw a fascinating article on telomers and protein melodies recently that >blew >my >socks off and seems to be saying some similiar things... > >---------snip----------- >Thoughts on the Avatar system, its interesting how things seem to come ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 10:16:51 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA16109; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:15:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:15:56 -0800 From: Charlie Hodgson Reply-To: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com Organization: Society for Real Time To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:25:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000208172715.55210.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000208172715.55210.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00020813264402.02894@cougar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA16043 Resent-Message-ID: <"yMzvJ.0.cx3.Sr5eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13826 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, Timothy Flytch wrote: > as for really changing a stop light or the arrival of a buss..... pure > BS Check out http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ Charlie -- Ten is a Dark Blue Seven From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 11:57:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA23548; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:56:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: <38A07536.6A81@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 14:57:42 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla vs. Edison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vq-z6.0.ql5.AK7eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13827 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I used to think that Edison was a "thief" too. However, after viewing his 1,093 patents in suddenly occurred to me that other people were actually coping his work. I bet you did not even know that Edison discovered radio... in his notes dated November 22, 1875 he relates to an experiment that decribes radio waves. Edison called it "Etheric Force," or "etheric current," A gold-leaf electroscope did not respond to this new form of rapid electroagnetic oscillations so he called it "nonelectric." When I look back to my own beginnings in science and invention I remember the first book that inspired me. It was the book called "Edison A Biography" by Matthew Josephson. You will find the story of how Mr. Edison discovered radio on pages 127-130. Edison simply did not have enough hours in the day with what he was already involved in to develop radio. Nikola Tesla was working in Edisons lab at the time. After Tesla left he took a virgin concept and developed it. This is perhaps the real reason why Edison and Tesla never saw eye to eye. Both men are heroes in their own right. It is also quite the tear jerker how the world honored Mr. Edison the day that he died. It was not until about 1982 that I got caught up into Tesla Science. Both Tesla and Edison have been a real inspiration to me in my life. -Bruce A. Perreault List member wrote: > > I promised full disclosure and I will keep my commitment to you. > In fact, I will be here to see that we develop a real working team > in the Edison spirit. Edison was a thief... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 12:41:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13891; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:39:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:39:45 -0800 Message-ID: <38A08CC1.DEA52C8F@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:38:09 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization References: <007301bf7212$59723d20$46e135ca@xplornote> <38A00F5F.E7F7A0F9@telusplanet.net> <00020810081500.02894@cougar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PLeJx.0.lO3.Dy7eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13828 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Charlie, thanks for your feedback! I agree the 'LGP' state is difficult to achieve, I've been attempting to augment my ability to reach this state via NLP exercises, i.e. anchoring etc... but still much practice required. I especially liked your account of what happens at the traffic light. Cheers! Charlie Hodgson wrote: > On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, D Adams wrote: > > thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit goofy, > > One thing that should be considered for experimentation in light of the above > > is the idea of frequency cycling rates and current mental framework. I would > > hypothesize that the period of visualization (imagining) followed by 'letting > > go' periods can be made to be more effective by modifying the rate or speed > > that this two fold process occurs and also the interval between these > > processes, i.e. where (vp) = visualization period, (lgp)= 'letting go period), > > and where (a) = absence of consciously related directed activity. > > My thoughts on this is that the subconscious (id) controls the > materilization of the thought, and it cannot proceed until the > conscious (ego) has released control of the thought. > > The super-ego has some play here, probably as an agent of the ego or > a failsafe device of for the id. In any event, the result is the same. > > In my experiences this is how it works. > > The traffic light doesn't change until I apply the parking > brake, while consciously thinking that it isn't going to change > anytime soon. If I apply the brake thinking that this will cause > the light to change, it doesn't. > > When waiting for a bus to come, it doesn't. If I light a > cigerrette, the bus will turn the corner, but only if I light it > thinking I have time to enjoy it before the bus comes. If I have > any other agenda (lighting up WILL cause it to come), it won't > work. > > I think it relates to the ego needing to keep control. Once the ego > gives up the exercise as pointless, the id chimes in and makes it reality. > > I have that effect with dice, cards, dominoes and other similar > devices. I can frequently pick the item I need from a random group, > so long as the intent is correct (super-ego). When playing parchissi, > for example, I cannot effect the dice if the result would be to bump > another player, though if the desired result is just to progress to a > safety, I'll more often then not get it. If I succumb to the dice, > they will work for me. If at any time I believe that I control the > dice, then I can't. In this case I think the id putting the ego in > it's place > > In most of my experiences the effect occurs as soon as I go into the > 'lgp' state. There is never a need to repeat the process, so 'a' > doesn't come into play. I have read that the intensity of the 'vp' > has a great deal to do with the outcome, but I don't think I agree. > > I haven't had any luck whatsoever (to the best of my knowledge) on more > complicated matters, though maybe I need to try your method on these. > > The 'lgp' state is very hard to achieve, because the ego controls > when we attempt to let go. If we let go so as to force a result, the > ego hasn't really let go, though you may believe that it has. By > cycling between your three states you get many opportunities to let > go. The more you cycle, the less likely the ego is to believe that it > can effect the outcome. At some point the ego will fully let go > and results will then occur. > > You have an interesting theory - I will try to utilize when an > opportunity presents itself. > > Charlie > > -- > Ten is a Dark Blue Seven From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 12:48:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA17164; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:47:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:47:46 -0800 Message-ID: <38A08EA7.118E0878@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:46:15 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization References: <20000208172715.55210.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u1cei.0.4C4.n38eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13829 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Timothy, thanks or the feedback, enjoyed reading your comments...quite thought provoking. Timothy Flytch wrote: > This starts off with some really good truth ... I boil it down to keep a > note book!!! go to your local art store and buy a reply good professional > sketch book... they come in all sizes ... and are nicely bound just like a > real book only much heaver pages... now every time you have a idea put it > in the book... not in written form like a but just as a quick sketch... you > are not using this for others to see just yourself... now when you have some > idle time refine your sketches and add more... over the years as you keep > coming back to the same idea you'll be amazed how your ideas will change ... > I am amazed how my first sketches looked ageist the actual product that I > have produced... some are exactly the same and others are not even close... > but it allows me to remember to think and rethink ideas ... > as for really changing a stop light or the arrival of a buss..... pure > BS... but it dose alter your perception... and that can make a big > difference in how well a drug works or cancer is cured... I'm a true > believer in the power of the mind as I had several doctors tell me I would > not live to see 21!!! I'm 35 so I guess I proved them wrong :) > Timothy... > >thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit > >goofy, > >I saw a fascinating article on telomers and protein melodies recently that > >blew > >my > >socks off and seems to be saying some similiar things... > > > >---------snip----------- > >Thoughts on the Avatar system, its interesting how things seem to come > >together, thoughts I had which I felt were unique often seem to come back > >to be > >in reflections and > >thoughts others seem to have. Not that this invalidates the thoughts with > >any > >sort of merit, still its > >interesting how similarity converges. > > > >I have often attempted to envision myself 'as' something else, a plant, an > >animal a non living object, etc... and this is what Avatar suggests as an > >exercise. > > > >I.e. I have tried to envisioned a tenuous thread of energy between myself > >and > >electronic circuits and attempted to imagine myself merging with them in > >such > >a fashion that I mock hallucinate that I can cycle their operations at a > >rate > >that suits me... such as causing a traffic light to turn green faster and > >also > >causing a breathalyzer to indicate a pass rather than a fail by simply > >'becoming' the unit and guiding it to the outcome I wished for. > > > >Often, in different venues pertaining to mind control we come across > >suggestions for the use of tools such as affirmations, etc... and one idea > >that > >pops up on a fairly regular basis is that of visualizing an event, outcome > >or > >set of results in an intense fashion and then 'letting go' (see the PK-Luck > >File) or ceasing the visualization for a time and then starting the process > >up > >again. Some authors claim that it is usually during the 'letting go > >period' > >that the results begin to manifest... I wouldn't be surprised if there is a > >possible relationship between this process and orgone theory and various > >organic and atmospheric scenarios... i.e. weather storm energetic releases, > >orgasm, etc... > > > >One thing that should be considered for experimentation in light of the > >above > >is the idea of frequency cycling rates and current mental framework. I > >would > >hypothesize that the period of visualization (imagining) followed by > >'letting > >go' periods can be made to be more effective by modifying the rate or speed > >that this two fold process occurs and also the interval between these > >processes, i.e. where (vp) = visualization period, (lgp)= 'letting go > >period), > >and where (a) = absence of consciously related directed activity. > > > >It should be noted that '(a)' simply represents the period of time between > >the > >actions of (vp) and (lgp). Further, it should be understood that (lgp) is > >not > >currently meant by the > >author to represent a time of absence of activity but it is rather a period > >of > >time in which both the > >conscious and subconscious is actively seeking release from the previous > >activity of (vp). It is > >suggested to be a period of contraction after expansion. You can liken > >this to > >the scenario where > >an elastic band is pulled taut. When stretched out and under pressure the > >state > >is likened to (vp), when the elastic is being > >released it is in a state of contraction. When the elastic band is in its > >original form and is at rest where it is neither being stretched nor is it > >actively contracting this can be likened to the state of (a). The author > >feels > >that in order for a true (lgp) state to exist there should be no opposing > >conscious or subconscious effort to reverse contraction in other words > >(lgp) > >must be fully or very near fully occurring in order to actually occur, when > >letting go you must truly let go. It is in the state of > >fully letting go where (lgp) might appear similar in properties to a state > >of > >(a) since the individual may experience a sensation of void or > >non-activity. > >However the difference between the two states of (lgp) and (a) can > >generally be > >understood by the following properties; > > > >(lgp) > > > > - a sense of decelerating or accelerating velocity to a relaxed state may > >be > >felt regardless of focus, its likely that some degree of fading thoughts > >from > >(vp) > >state will be felt draining away > > - once contraction has occurred a sense of relaxation related to the > >exercise > >may be felt > > > >- once contraction has occurred a sense of momentum towards the directed > >goal > > may be felt or seen in a demonstrable or subtle way > > > >(a) none of the above properties are likely to be present except the last > >one, > >in this state the individual is simply attending to all other mental > >activities > >(passive or > >active) related to his or her day to day living. > > > >The rate of speed at which the above process occurs will be referred to as > >the > >'process frequency rate' or (pFR) and the desired outcome or RESULT will be > >represented by (R) so that; > > > >[ (vp)+(lgp)+(a) ] * (pFR) = (R) > > > >If the mental visualization of a desired outcome can indeed affect the > >materialization of a given outcome (and there is plenty of good reasons to > >think > >this is so on many different > >levels of consciously perceived reality) the it simply makes sense that the > >frequency rate of the process > >should also have a tremendous effect on the probability of eventual > >materialization and also the speed at > >which materialization occurs relative to the individual initiating the > >process. > >The process can be conceived also as the flexing of a muscle; > > > >(vp) = muscle flexion > >(lgp) = muscle relaxation > >(a) = period of rest between flexion > >(pFR) = period of time between states of muscle flexion or the RATE at > >which > >flexion occurs > > > >In fact, when increasing the speed of the frequency the individual may > >actually > >feel a mental strain as though a muscle is indeed being exercised in the > >head, > >it is > >difficult to describe the sensation but it may indeed be a very tangible > >experience. Its recommended that when > >using this exercise that the individual sense a felling of 'connectedness' > >to > >the elements that the desired > >outcome is attached to. > > > >Their appears to be some real world examples of the above process's merit, > >some > >of these are; > > > >1.) Rife generator, where various disease pathogens etc., respond to very > >specific 'frequency rates' of RF,EMF and sound waves > > > >2.) Physical manipulation, where a given learned skill is used to alter > >physical reality. For example A person studies welding and practices the > >skill > >over and over again and > >attempts to use the skill to physically alter inanimate material by > >applying > >the learned skill to it. > >The frequency or rate at which learning and practice occurs can be a > >determining factor to achieving results at the level or > > degree desired. If frequency of learning or practice is low then the > >probability of achieving desired > > results is likely to be low, conversely if the frequency of learning / > >practice > >is high then the > > probability of achieving the desired results is likely to be high. > > > >3.) Morphogenic (informational) fields, ala Rupert Sheldrake where > >Sheldrake > >uses multiple examples to illustrate why #2 in the above occurs. It > >appears > >that his illustrations > >are dependent in large degree to frequency rates of processes. > > > > > >Might different specific rates yield the best results for specific types of > >outcomes? Possibly. For instance we already have hard data on some more > >obvious types. One obvious one is > >exercise, we know how much physical exertion can generally be put on the > >body > >to get a desired level of fitness and enhancement to overall physique but > >at > >the same time avoid damaging the body and causing burn out. There are very > >specific 'rates' for the process of this activity, examples are when > >fitness > >instructors speak of exercising every other day or when they indicate the > >number of 'set' or 'reps'. > > > >Cycling the process of mentally directed activity is likely to provide > >similar > >optimal benefits when applied to other kinds of desired outcomes. For > >instance, > >lets say a person wants to > >telekinetically cause a traffic light to change before its hard wired > >circuitry > >allows it to. By experimenting with the rate of the process the best > >frequency > >range may be determined. It may also be that these frequency ranges may > >vary > >from person to person for the same kinds of tasks and it may well be that > >some > >types of task may have universally fixed ranges for all individuals. Again > >some real world examples of this are when (variance occurs) a > >pharmaceutical > >may react differently to people have different internal biochemistry’s and > >when > >(fixed constants occur) a given rate of radiation occurs that causes damage > >to > >organic entities within a given fixed geographic location. > > > >I would like to experiment with doing rapid process cycles on simple > >thought > >experiments to see what the result is, I've tried it already and so far I > >find > >it a bit exhausting. More later..... > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 12:51:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29256; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:49:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:49:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38A08F18.2D3C135D@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:48:08 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization References: <20000208173232.29251.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2qZsq3.0.q87.b58eu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13830 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Er... hi Tim, perhaps I've miscommunicated here somehow? It wasn't my intent to assert any of this as the 'truth', only a subjective perception I was playing with. How much of it is 'true' I haven't the faintest... which is why I preceded it with "this sounds goofy..." How ever I still found value in your comments, many thanks! Don Timothy Flytch wrote: > this reminds me of "the great lie" if you want to con someone just start > with truth ... pure truth... then mix it with have truth... them introduce > your lies... > most people will buy your lies just because you have brought them "down the > garden path" with your line of "truth" ... > Timothy... > > >thoughts or comments on the below anyone? while the below seems a bit > >goofy, > >I saw a fascinating article on telomers and protein melodies recently that > >blew > >my > >socks off and seems to be saying some similiar things... > > > >---------snip----------- > >Thoughts on the Avatar system, its interesting how things seem to come > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 12:51:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18657; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:51:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:51:08 -0800 Message-ID: <38A08F7C.BAABEB97@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:49:48 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Comments on mental frequency rates as applied to visualization References: <20000208172715.55210.qmail@hotmail.com> <00020813264402.02894@cougar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YgNsb3.0.QZ4.y68eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13831 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wow, I don't think I've heard of this report before.... thanks for the lead! Fabulous! Charlie Hodgson wrote: > On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, Timothy Flytch wrote: > > > as for really changing a stop light or the arrival of a buss..... pure > > BS > > Check out http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ > > Charlie > -- > Ten is a Dark Blue Seven From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 14:10:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23531; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:09:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <38A09466.2940@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:10:46 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! References: <38A0368A.22E3@cyberportal.net> <000001bf7270$eb3cd7c0$8a4cfc9e@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fQgKq3.0.Tl5.rG9eu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13832 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com larry lepurage wrote: > > Att Bruce > > I noticed that you changed your mind about obtaining your patten. In my > opinion it is the worst thing you could do. I did not change my mind... this decision had to be made. I do not trust the system anymore than you do... maybe even less. If I do not get a patent the big boys will sue me and stop us from distributing our own product. > > You promised every one that you would send them complete details if they > would send you a self addressed envelope with a stamp on it ASP. The original details consisted of a two notorized pages. Now "Everyone" will receive a full provisional patent in addition to my origional promise. > > Now you went back on your word and said that you a going after a patent and > that every one will have to wait sevseal weeks for the informatiutting every > one out for your self on. From where I am reading you mislead every one. You > recieved contributations and decided to use the money for your self > protection. And now you are slowly cutting everyone out after taking there > money. If you sent me a donation or just a self-addressed stamped envelope I will return it to you. I have looked at the list twice and I do not see your envelope. I will look again later... right now I am in a hurry and have to attend a schoolboard meeting because the system is screwing with my kids eductations. I will look again later. I have not mislead you or anyone. > > After seeing what you have done it would be hard to trust you any more. > You have sent out bad charma and it will return back to you ten fold, this > is a universal law not mine. > In my opinion you are an egotist, and because of this you will bring about > your own self destruction. > In my opinion you should send out the information as promised the same day > you recieved there money and kept it. > If you don't then return all the money you recieved under these false > claims. Very deceptive of you! > I can see that you are not thinking clearly, and have been swayed by ego and > greed. If you have sent money then it will be returned to you. I will also ask you to unsubscribe to this list at this point if you feel this strongly. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault > > Again Your Friend > > Larry Lepurage > > > sparky wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Perreault, > > > I'm sitting around waiting to get started on this project. So, > > > when are we gonna get moving? > > > > > > Just as soon as the I get word on the provisional. Recent donations > > have allowed me to go ahead with the patent process. The provisional > > will be filed by tommorow the latest. It is so well done that a > > non-provisional could be filed. However, I will need to consult a > > patent attorney if a patent application gets rejected. This should be > > a few more dollars set aside to do this right. Any extra donations > > that have been sent in over the past couple of days will be used wisely > > to develop a nice distributor kit. > > > > > > > > > > We don't have to wait for everyone to get their envelopes back, do we? > > > > > > Yes... it shouldn't be more than a few weeks to get word back from the > > patent office. Then you guys and gals here will be able to fly with it. > > It is just as frustrating for me... but if we do this the wrong way then > > we could all end up losing. > > > > > > > > > > We can start planning now or, whenever you are ready. ( :o)) > > > > > > I promised full disclosure and I will keep my commitment to you. > > In fact, I will be here to see that we develop a real working team > > in the Edison spirit. > > > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 17:49:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA16427; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:49:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:49:26 -0800 Message-ID: <38A0C7D4.288A@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:50:12 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Let's get this show on the road! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vRVLd2.0.U04.bUCeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13833 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I must agree with Graham here. The money was never asked for directly AND the money was FOR patent work! That was the decision before the money started being sent and that was what Bruce said he was short on money for. When someone offers you an opportunity and information on something that they developed for the price of a stamp, I believe it is there call on how and when that information is delivered. How can you judge this one as a charlatan in less than a week? What did you think the money was for? -----Original Message----- From: Graham Berry [SMTP:g.berry@virgin.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 1:38 PM To: Nu Energy Horizons Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org Larry, Are you judging Bruce........? Are you worthy...........? If it was your invention would you do it any different. Bruce never asked for money to be sent to him, and as such the generocity of the members of the list is shown in their donations. Your comments are not only disrespectful and misguided but also unnecessary and provocative. I would suggest that YOU examine your charma as I'm sure your are not in touch with the reality of the situation. You also come over as an opertunistic chance grabber. Perhaps your comments would be better sent to an alternative list. I have no doubt that Bruce will deliver the goods, as do the rest of the members of this list. Keep your stupid comments to yourself. Graham Berry -----Original Message----- From: larry lepurage To: Nu Energy Horizons Date: 08 February 2000 20:16 Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! >Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bruce A. Perreault >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:30 AM >Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! > > >> Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org >> Att Bruce > >I noticed that you changed your mind about obtaining your patten.In my >opinion it is the worst thing you could do. >You promised every one that you would send them complete details if they >would send you a self addressed envelope with a stamp on it ASP. >Now you went back on your word and said that you a going after a patent and >that every one will have to wait sevseal weeks for the informatiutting every >one out for your self on. From where I am reading you mislead every one.You >recieved contributations and decided to use the money for your self >protection. And now you are slowly cutting everyone out after taking there >money. >After seeing what you have done it would be hard to trust you any more. >You have sent out bad charma and it will return back to you ten fold, this >is a universal law not mine. >In my opinion you are an egotist, and because of this you will bring about >your own self destruction. >In my opinion you should send out the information as promised the same day >you recieved there money and kept it. >If you don't then return all the money you recieved under these false >claims. Very deceptive of you! >I can see that you are not thinking clearly, and have been swayed by ego and >greed. > >Again Your Friend > >Larry Lepurage From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 18:24:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA28150; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:24:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:24:29 -0800 Message-ID: <38A0CF0F.3144@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:21:03 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LBU4K1.0.gt6.P_Ceu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13834 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, larry lepurage wrote: > > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > Att Bruce > > I noticed that you changed your mind about obtaining your patten.In my > opinion it is the worst thing you could do. > You promised every one that you would send them complete details if they > would send you a self addressed envelope with a stamp on it ASP. > Now you went back on your word and said that you a going after a patent and > that every one will have to wait sevseal weeks for the informatiutting every > one out for your self on. From where I am reading you mislead every one.You > recieved contributations and decided to use the money for your self > protection. And now you are slowly cutting everyone out after taking there > money. > After seeing what you have done it would be hard to trust you any more. If I remember correctly, someone offered to volunteer some money for Bruce to patent it. Others followed suit so he COULD patent it. Wasn't that the original idea? Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 8 21:20:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA23205; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:19:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <38A0F90F.202A8E85@dabney.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:20:15 -0600 From: "Emmett Hawkins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! References: <38A0368A.22E3@cyberportal.net> <000001bf7270$eb3cd7c0$8a4cfc9e@computer> <38A09466.2940@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Huwfa.0.Tg5.kZFeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13835 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > If you have sent money then it will be returned to you. > I will also ask you to unsubscribe to this list at this > point if you feel this strongly. > > Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault I was under the impression, Mr. Perreault, that freenrg-l was run by Bill Beaty, not yourself. The transactions you make with others are your affair, but I'm afraid you have no say on what is posted here or who is subscribed. -- Emmett Hawkins Red-Leader@Dabney.com , XWingPilot@email.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 9 01:59:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA28294; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:59:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:59:34 -0800 Message-ID: <38A13AB8.556C@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:00:24 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! References: <38A0368A.22E3@cyberportal.net> <000001bf7270$eb3cd7c0$8a4cfc9e@computer> <38A09466.2940@cyberportal.net> <38A0F90F.202A8E85@dabney.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DnAst2.0._v6.6gJeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13836 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Emmett Hawkins wrote: > > "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > > > If you have sent money then it will be returned to you. > > I will also ask you to unsubscribe to this list at this > > point if you feel this strongly. > > > > Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault > > I was under the impression, Mr. Perreault, that freenrg-l was run by > Bill Beaty, not yourself. The transactions you make with others are your > affair, but I'm afraid you have no say on what is posted here or who is > subscribed. I am sorry if you have gotten the wrong message here. This was a cross-post from my list. Many people belong to both lists. This message was posted to both lists to let everyone no what is going on. I am not suggesting that anyone unsubcribe from Bill's list. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 9 05:55:18 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA10221; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:54:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:54:41 -0800 Message-ID: <00bc01bf7304$1c635ac0$48e135ca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:45:09 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6ABd.0.bV2.W6Neu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13837 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: 2000 February 08, Tuesday 19:00 Subject: Re: Mass and measurement |On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:54:06 +0700, xplorer wrote: |[snip] |>Basically, what I am trying to derive is the mass of the proton |> so that I can arrive at the inverse: mass as a unit in terms of quantities |>of protons. |[snip] |The problem with this is that the mass of the proton varies from element to |element (or at least if you divide the proton proportion of the total mass |by the number of protons, you get a different number for each element). |The same is true of neutrons. |So "weighing" by numbers of protons is pointless, which is precisely why the |amu is used. It was my understanding that the mass of a proton doesn't actually change, rather that each different 'collection' of protons has differing amounts of 'collective mass'. The difference is that we measure the mass of a multiple-particle nucleus, but we have seen some of the mass "converted" to energy [fusion]. >Theory< I suspect that mass is actually a characteristic of the geometry of energy in motion. In order to perceive these relative differences, I reckon it important to "take off the Carbon-12 tinted glasses" so we can see better what happens when particles gather in a nucleus. I am beginning to believe that "mass" is simply an artifact of the geometry of energy in motion, that gravity is only the side-effect of . energetic distortions of the fabric of space. Gamma rays, etc may simply the fabric of space being released by a bit of a twist which was clenching it before unraveling. (Maybe the amount of 'mass' is simply the degree to which a bit of space is condensed by a vortex). At any rate, I see elsewhere the value of the mass of a proton to be 1.00734 AMU, leaving me to derive it to be 1.672729e-27 kg composed and sent from Paul E. Anderson's computer (with or without my permission) ============================== ICQ 52281118 -----Original Message----- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 9 06:19:51 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA17628; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:19:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301bf7307$45b4b7e0$48e135ca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: Coherency in time measurement: Momental Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:07:51 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vTwgv2.0.HJ4.cTNeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13838 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In case anyones interested in time and coherency, checkout my program momental (moment11.zip) and let me know what you would change. I'm working my way towards mass and energy... (If you need , I can e-mail this - it's a mere 16 kb zipped) composed and sent from Paul E. Anderson's computer (with or without my permission) ============================== ICQ 52281118 -----Original Message----- |MS-News Digest Tue, 8 Feb 2000 Volume 2000 : Issue 78 | |Today's Topics: | bkmag227.zip - Internet bookmark conversion utility | clntnt34.zip - Client Tracks: Contact manager & scheduler | cniq4-4.zip - Internet, Telephone, Fax check acceptance | drivetn2.zip - AutoSpeed Drivetrain v2.0. Freeware | fldrview.zip - ActiveX Control that mimics Explorer treeview | hw21dl.zip - Hardware Asset Tracker:Organize company assets | intpv100.zip - InternetPager: Send alarm over email | is12fwl.zip - Erases sites visited using Inet Browsers. 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If you have questions or comments about these files please |contact the uploader. | |The MS-News Digest is available on the web, courtesy of MLS Online, at |URL http://www.simtel.net/simtel.net/digest.html | <> |------------------------------ | |Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:38:54 -0500 (EST) |From: xplorer@crb.elga.net.id (Paul Eric Anderson) |To: MS-News@Simtel.Net |Cc: xplorer@crb.elga.net.id |Subject: moment11.zip - Momental: CoherentNumeric clock/calculator |Keywords: simtel,win95 |Summary: Reposted by David Kirschbaum |Message-Id: <20000208143854.kirschd@Simtel.Net> | |I have uploaded to Simtel.Net: | |http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win95/clocks/moment11.zip |ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win95/clocks/moment11.zip 16124 bytes | |moment11.zip Momental: CoherentNumeric clock/calculator | |Momental v1.1.1 is a date/time clock/calculator for the CoherentNumeric |time system. Main Display is: current CoherentNumeric Moment, |additionally with decimal system seconds, UTC date/time and Local |time-zone date/time. Has CoherentNumeric time-stamping feature. Use to |keep track of time according to the Coherent Numerics system. |Additionally, it has a decimal to hexadecimal and CoherentNumeric |calculator. Examples are given of CoherentNumerics system and |calculations. | |Special requirements: Win95/98 VB6 runtimes (available from Simtel.Net | as simvb6-5.zip). | |Changes: Calculator function correction. | |moment11.zip has replaced momental.zip. | |Freeware. Uploaded by the author. | |Paul Eric Anderson, exploration |xplorer@crb.elga.net.id | <> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 9 14:18:18 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA06126; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:16:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:16:53 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:16:12 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <00bc01bf7304$1c635ac0$48e135ca@xplornote> In-Reply-To: <00bc01bf7304$1c635ac0$48e135ca@xplornote> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA06032 Resent-Message-ID: <"wWBkx1.0.bV1.LTUeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13839 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:45:09 +0700, xplorer wrote: [snip] >|The problem with this is that the mass of the proton varies from element to >|element (or at least if you divide the proton proportion of the total mass >|by the number of protons, you get a different number for each element). >|The same is true of neutrons. >|So "weighing" by numbers of protons is pointless, which is precisely why >the >|amu is used. > >It was my understanding that the mass of a proton doesn't actually change, >rather that each different 'collection' of protons has differing amounts of >'collective mass'. Consider the fact that a protium nucleus weighs _more_ than any proton in any other element. If protons retained their mass in a collective, then it would be necessary to incorporate actual physical negative mass in the collective nucleus with them, in order to explain the fact that the collectives weigh _less_ than the sum of their parts. (If this in fact happens, then we are onto the source of anti-gravity btw). > >The difference is that we measure the mass of a multiple-particle nucleus, >but we have seen some of the mass "converted" to energy [fusion]. >Theory< >I suspect that mass is actually a characteristic of the geometry of energy >in motion. > >In order to perceive these relative differences, I reckon it important to >"take off the Carbon-12 tinted glasses" so we can see better what happens >when particles gather in a nucleus. You are of course free to use anything as your basic unit of measure, as long as it doesn't change with what you are measuring. The amu was chosen, simply because it is convenient. > >I am beginning to believe that "mass" is simply >an artifact of the geometry of energy in motion, >that gravity is only the side-effect of . >energetic distortions of the fabric of space. > >Gamma rays, etc may simply the fabric of space being released >by a bit of a twist which was clenching it before unraveling. >(Maybe the amount of 'mass' is simply the degree to which > a bit of space is condensed by a vortex). Go for it. The more ideas the better. > >At any rate, I see elsewhere the value of the mass of a proton to be 1.00734 >AMU, > leaving me to derive it to be 1.672729e-27 kg This is of course the mass of a single lone proton not part of any other nucleus. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 9 15:47:23 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA10038; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:46:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:46:54 -0800 Message-ID: <007001bf731b$9745aba0$e43056c3@default> From: "Trohodon" To: References: <38A0C7D4.288A@cyberportal.net> Subject: How to approach an angry man?? Re: Let's get this show on the road! Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:33:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"0-PTy2.0.jS2.jnVeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Larry & Graham, please shake hands and be friends, will you? Obviously there is a misunderstanding, caused by something. I agree with both camps. I agree with Graham doubting about the "postal-method", should I ask money to for negotiating and trying to calm things down on the list? I agree to with Larry saying stupid comment, DO THINK about the effect of the words one use.. Very clear for my there is a lot of anger in the world, including here on the list.. Also I ask for understanding me pulling out my neck, mingling in a argue I might better not mingle in. I hope, that's the reason for writing, all people can become friends and therefore please try to get a different frame to handle critics. Maybe I'm mixing some things and maybe and don't know half the truth. But I do know Larry paid attention in his way and made some good points and I'm sure he can also help to let the "big show" rol. So please everyone start being gentile to eachother!! Regards, Aris... > of this list. Keep your stupid comments to yourself. > > Graham Berry > >claims. Very deceptive of you! > >I can see that you are not thinking clearly, and have been swayed by ego > and > >greed. > > > >Again Your Friend > > > >Larry Lepurage From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 9 20:41:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11055; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:40:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:40:57 -0800 Message-ID: <008001bf7382$43f47460$f2a270d1@acer> From: "sparky" To: "Nu Energy Horizons" Cc: References: <001e01bf7121$d99bf780$54a270d1@acer> <38A03151.72C9@cyberportal.net> Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:49:00 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"TdIpF.0.ei2.O5aeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13841 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Mr. Perreault, Thanks for the reply! I fully support your position. (: o )) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce A. Perreault" To: "Nu Energy Horizons" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:08 AM Subject: Re: Let's get this show on the road! > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > sparky wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Perreault, > > I'm sitting around waiting to get started on this project. So, > > when are we gonna get moving? > > > Just as sson as the I get word on the provisional. Recent donations > have allowed me to go ahead with the patent process. The provisional > will be filed by tommorow the latest. It is so well done that a > non-provisional could be filed. However, I will need to consult a > patent attorney if a patent application gets rejected. The should be > a few more dollars set aside to do this right. Any extra donations > that have been sent in over the past couple of days will be used wisely > to develop a nice distributor kit. > > > > > > We don't have to wait for everyone to get their envelopes back, do we? > > > Yes... it shouldn't be more than a few weeks to get word back from the > patent office. Then you guys and gals here will be able to fly with it. > It is just as frustrating for me... but if we do this the wrong way then > we could all end up losing. > > > > > > We can start planning now or, whenever you are ready. ( :o)) > > > I promised full disclosure and I will keep my commitment to you. > In fact, I will be here to see that we develop a real working team > in the Edison spirit. > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 10 16:03:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07537; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:02:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:02:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38A35185.23E3@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:02:13 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Provisional Patent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nn20p2.0.Vr1.g6reu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13842 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Today the provisional patent was filed. An International patent is expected to follow in a few months. As soon as I get word from the patent office everyone who put in a request for a disclosure on my recent invention will get the promised two page notarized disclosure, plus a copy of the now filed provisional patent. Those of you who have requested to become distributors I welcome you all to the team. Together we will make a difference. Warm Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 10 19:28:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA10290; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:28:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:28:21 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <10.b14128.25d4dba2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:27:30 EST Subject: You may want to see this! To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_10.b14128.25d4dba2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"iJv5C.0.hW2.L7ueu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_10.b14128.25d4dba2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I took an electrical circuit and designed it for magnetic flux. I was always intrigued by the zero potential point in the circuit and wanted to see if any overunity effects could be found by using the circuit for magnetic flux. The B element in the drawing is a moving part and I asked Horace what he thought about what would happen if polarity at point C was zero, and part B was moved down with the coil circuit closed. Would there be any additional drag on B due to a voltage current being produced in the coil. Here are his comments and the posts that led up to them. Drawings are also attached. >Horace, look at this drawing and see what you think flux will do if B is moved down and coil is closed the entire time B it is moving down. Also, do you think that B will experience an additional "drag" during this time as compared to the coil circuit being open during it's move down. Butch< >Horace, In the post I sent about B being moved down, I forgot to tell you that all values in the system are such that the polarity is zero at point C when system is static (B not moving yet). Butch< >Butch, If flux through R1 is zero this means that R2/R3=R4/R5. Moving fragment-B (part of R5) away is equivalent to increasing R5. Increasing R5 increases the total reluctance of the magnetic circuit [Rt] and the total flux through the circuit [It] decreases When R5 increases, R3 pulls point D more towards the South pole and the flux [Iz] through R1 becomes NS, if the coil is open. A closed coil will attempt to maintain flux through R1. Since the flux through R1 before moving fragment-B was zero, an ideal closed coil will keep it at zero, even after the fragment-B moved away. Thus the closed coil generates an oposing flux [Ir] SN through R1 of the same magnitude but opposite sign to [Iz]. The resulting flux through R1 is zero (Iz+Ir=0). So the flux generated by the coil keeps the point D at the same level (magnetic voltage) as point C (only then the flux through R1 is zero). If the coil was open (or not there at all) the point D would become more South as a result of increased R5/R3 ratio (R5>R3). Conversly the conservative action of a closed coil will make the point D less South (more North) Since the fragment-B is connected on one side to the North pole of the permanent magnet and attracted to point D on the other side, the fragment-B is attracted stronger to point D if the point D is "more" South. So it follows that the fragment-B is attracted stronger to point D if the coil is NOT there (open coil) to PREVENT point D being "pulled" more South by R3. Conversly if the coil is closed, the attraction of the fragment-B towards point D is weaker because the coil PREVENTS the point-D from being "pulled" South. In simple words: closed coil = weaker attraction of fragment-B open coil = stronger attraction of fragment-B Run this by the experts on the list, since I do not feel sure of this analysis. Make it easy for them by incorporating the R1..R7 reluctance designations in the drawing and drawing the cores more symmetricaly (R2,R4,R3,R5 like a circle, and R1 as the circle's diameter, R6,R7 as the supply lines to the circle) Horace, P.S. You can analyze this setup analogously to the electrical Wheatstone bridge.< >Your comments, please! Does this mean that the part B can pull away with less work than the work it performs pulling it's self back up? If so, do we have a major breakthru here? 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-0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:49:11 -0800 Message-ID: <38A3DACA.30499FE5@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:47:54 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, whitman@brightok.net Subject: Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine References: <10.b14128.25d4dba2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KPaB53.0.yR.7qyeu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13844 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine http://ens.lycos.com/ens/feb2000/2000L-02-09-02.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 11 09:58:39 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07568; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:58:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:58:03 -0800 Message-ID: <002801bf74b9$41f1ca40$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> From: "skot" To: Subject: Re: Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:56:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"ag2JZ1.0.9s1.gs4fu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com After going to the web site ( link at bottom of story ) and reading the info I think that this is absolutely the real deal. I love it when something "real simple" ( aka should have been obvious ) is yet another way to go overunity. :) -THEORY- I don't look at this engine as "turning room temperature heat into mechanical work". Instead: 1 - air is partially compressed as it is spun ( spinning up takes small effort ) 2 - then conventional compression stroke ( takes big effort ) 3 - air is partially decompressed by slowing down spin most of small effort is regained ) 4 - power stroke ( more than big effort is returned because of higher pressure during entire stroke ) The spinning: is almost reversable, very low effort replaces heating and cooling Whether or not it consumes heat is immaterial to me - it works. I've email them asking details about what their "unit for sale" produces in rpm and torque ( and price ). b.t.w. I grabbed the patents ( high quality free images ) if anybody wants me to post them. scottb -----Original Message----- From: D Adams To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; whitman@brightok.net Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:43 AM Subject: Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine >Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine > http://ens.lycos.com/ens/feb2000/2000L-02-09-02.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 11 10:57:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA29950; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:50:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:50:30 -0800 Message-ID: <003501bf74c1$ff930ac0$b5a270d1@acer> From: "sparky" To: , References: <10.b14128.25d4dba2@aol.com> <38A3DACA.30499FE5@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:58:33 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"v3j_S2.0.nJ7.rd5fu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I sent a E-mail to them two weeks ago and have receved no reply. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Adams" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:47 AM Subject: Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine > Ordinary Air Fuels Futuristic New Engine > http://ens.lycos.com/ens/feb2000/2000L-02-09-02.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 11 20:43:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29646; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:42:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:42:12 -0800 Message-ID: <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:42:55 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v6lqb2.0.4F7.ZIEfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13847 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sparky, This motor dream has no solid evidence to back the claims being made. I see this as just another distraction. You will soon have some real meat to sink your teeth into, or soybeans if you are a vegetarian. :) -BAP sparky wrote: > > If what this guy has is real, then we might be too late! > Now I know how the guys trying to sell oil feel. : ( > Take a look: > http://home.earthlink.net/~wizzard9/magnet.html > Big bro must be slipping! : ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 11 21:00:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA12619; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:00:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:00:25 -0800 Message-ID: <38A4E91A.3738@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 00:01:14 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Provisional Patent References: <20000211173134.21282.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dn8ki.0.u43.eZEfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com david alvarez wrote: > > What is this a patent of? I'm new to this service and have come in > halfway through these discussions. Please inform me. It is an advanced fuel cell design. It is low temperature. Will last for years. It does not require expensive catalysts, making it very cost effective on this point alone. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 07:46:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA09476; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:46:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:46:27 -0800 Message-ID: <005301bf756f$d6323ee0$784cfc9e@computer> From: "larry lepurage" To: , "Nu Energy Horizons" Cc: References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:42:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"RlcvN2.0.zJ2.I1Ofu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13850 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce A. Perreault To: Nu Energy Horizons Cc: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor > Sparky, > > This motor dream has no solid evidence to back > the claims being made. I see this as just another > distraction. You will soon have some real meat to > sink your teeth into, or soybeans if you are a > vegetarian. :) > > > -BAP > > > > sparky wrote: > > > > If what this guy has is real, then we might be too late! > > Now I know how the guys trying to sell oil feel. : ( > > Take a look: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~wizzard9/magnet.html > > Big bro must be slipping! : ) > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 07:46:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA09440; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:46:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> From: "larry lepurage" To: , "Nu Energy Horizons" Cc: References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:41:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"g-6wg.0.PJ2.E1Ofu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce A. Perreault To: Nu Energy Horizons Cc: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor > Sparky, > > This motor dream has no solid evidence to back > the claims being made. I see this as just another > distraction. You will soon have some real meat to > sink your teeth into, or soybeans if you are a > vegetarian. :) > > > -BAP > > > > Attention All >Has any one been given a demostration of Bruces Fuell Cell.! Do any of you Know Bruce personally, seen his work demostrated, seen his work shop. All great inventors always show friends and relatives there inventions because they are always excited and proud of what they made. How many of you can say that you saw a crude working model! If bruce says that he can't show any one right now I would run for the hills! Even if you are only sending him $5.00 each x 5000 or lets say 50,000 responses this adds up to a lot of money. Rember the internet is world wide! P.T. Barnem said that there is always a sucker born every minute! Also, even if he has a working unit is it reliable, cost effective, safe, easy to use, easy to build, are there other units simular on the market, is there a market for this specific unit. Think things out before you give any more money! > Please check back and read one of his past posts about 3 weeks ago when he said he was going to give out his invention free of charge ASAP as you sent him a self addressed envelope,And then went back on his word 180* . From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 08:46:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA28036; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:45:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:45:41 -0800 Message-ID: <38A58E64.72CF@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:46:28 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Magnetic Motor] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"1rkZ7.0.zr6.ruOfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Received: from lbmail10.listbot.com (lbmail10.listbot.com [204.71.191.8]) by mail1.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA03461 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5235 invoked by uid 108); 12 Feb 2000 16:32:20 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact nuenergy-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list nuenergy@listbot.com Reply-To: "Nu Energy Horizons" Received: (qmail 23345 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2000 16:33:02 -0000 Received: from mail.webzone.net (HELO spool.webzone.net) (205.219.23.67) by lb1.listbot.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2000 16:33:02 -0000 Received: from webzone.net ([208.165.96.75]) by spool.webzone.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with ESMTP id AAA4399 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:32:21 -0600 Message-ID: <38A58C3F.A036D6C4@webzone.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:37:20 -0600 From: sam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > GIVE BRUCE A BREAK! FOR GOD'S SAKE. You know, Bruce has put an awful LOT of time into getting to this stage. Can anyone else here say the same? I can't. All I can do at this point is be supportive. If Bruce said he would release it free, don't you think that perhaps he may have also rethought this out? Think about it. Let's paint a picture here. 15 Years of time. No compensation to amount to a lot. BREAKTHROUGH! 15 years later and $XXXXXXX dollars spent. YOU send a 33 cent stamp, no time involved, on the front of an envelope. You get plans free from Bruce disclosing what it is and you got it for how much? Let's see, no time spent, no money other than the 33 cents, hmm. One of those people out there happens to be a Ballard Engineer, or let's say, Daimler Benz. Now that's a good one! D-B. You get the plans and off you go to your department head to climb that latter and get those kudos, disregarding who you stomp on or who you hurt in the process, just to make the almighty buck. "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME?" .... How about what is in it for the future generations to come? I would not blame Bruce for maybe being in a hurry to get this out, then reconsidering what may happen if he does not have that provisional patent registered. Anyone could say that it is theirs. Screw Bruce! The heck with the past 15 years. IT'S MINE NOW!!! (hahahahahahahahaha)... like a mad scientist would. No, I do not think that is fair to Bruce. He spent endless hours and it has taken its toll on his health ( I won't discuss that ). So, I think it is worth every penny to help him out. Worried about $50000? Don't be. It's not yours to worry about. Everyone on the list here has a brain to make their own decisions. I work with electronics myself. I saw the demonstration last July in Phoenix. I know what it takes to make the kind of sparks that he made, even if he says that demonstration was really "weak". It still impressed me. I have a formal education in electronics and I know what it takes to do something like he did. You don't just put wires up in the air and near the ground, then make sparks jump like he did in his demo. (for those of you that are not formally educated that was not a charlatan's trick!) Now if you want to attack me, go ahead. I can throw darts too. I could be jealous real fast if someone else were to get 50k dollars for simply asking for help. I recall he was not the one that asked. It was I that made the suggestion. Now, do you see how good hearted these people are?!?!?!?! I would suspect that you may be a plant on the list that tries to stop Free Energy from getting the support in the private sector, just for the interests of the the ultra-rich fart knockers (the five families we all hear about) to keep control on their money machine (us). I have no doubts that Bruce will get this out, if we support him. He needs dollars to make this happen. The more he gets, the faster it happens. Sure, go ahead, stop him if you can by sending out an email like you did. Make everyone suspicious. That's the way you kill a project before it gets off the ground. That's a unique chess play if I ever saw one. My recommendation to those of you that want to see this happen is to start supporting Bruce in whatever way you can monetarily. He needs it. There is nothing to fear other than fear itself. What are you afraid of? 5 dollars? Be patient. I am sure that Bruce has something in store for you people that plan to go to the conference this summer. You want the demo. BE THERE. ps. I resent being called a "sucker", .... don't you? -sam > > Attention All > > >Has any one been given a demostration of Bruces Fuell Cell.! > Do any of you Know Bruce personally, seen his work demostrated, seen his > work shop. > All great inventors always show friends and relatives there inventions > because they are always excited and proud of what they made. How many of you > can say that you saw a crude working model! > If bruce says that he can't show any one right now I would run for the > hills! > Even if you are only sending him $5.00 each x 5000 or lets say 50,000 > responses this adds up to a lot of money. > Rember the internet is world wide! > P.T. Barnem said that there is always a sucker born every minute! > Also, even if he has a working unit is it reliable, cost effective, safe, > easy to use, easy to build, are there other units simular on the market, is > there a market for this specific unit. Think things out before you give any > more money! > > > Please check back and read one of his past posts about 3 weeks ago when he > said he was going to give out his invention free of charge ASAP as you sent > him a self addressed envelope,And then went back on his word 180* . ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 11:00:12 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00995; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:59:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:59:47 -0800 Message-ID: <38A5ADD6.4E91@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:00:38 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MY APOLOGIES. References: <38A5950C.A2AA46FC@webzone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zJCdu3.0.OF.ZsQfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13852 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com SAM, The PM motor is is not Larry's invention from what I gather. I have gone over the requests again and there is no letter from him. There are a grand total of 36 requests. Some content money contributions some do not. They are all just as valuable to me whether than contain money or not. I can tell you that contributions come no where close to $50,000. What I have received has been used to file the provisional patent. The remaining contributions will be used to develope distributor kits. It appears to me that Larry is trying to weave doubt on this list. Larry I am asking you politely to stop these negative attacks on my work. If you continue this disrespect then you leave me no choice but to take you off from the Nu Energy list. The choice is up to you. The motor has popped out of thin air. Back in 1982 I got to see the "Johnson Motor" in the inventors garage in Fitchburg, Mass. The guys name was not Johnson either. Johnson stole the concept from him and got credit for it. The problem is that from what I saw it was not self-running. Thank you sam and all of you who know and support this work. -Bruce A. Perreault sam wrote: > > I am sorry for the over reaction on the part of the message that > Larry Lapurage posted this morning. I know Bruce. He is extremely > paranoid about someone else taking off with all his efforts. This is > his egg. Please bear with him. Please bear with me. > > My inferring that Larry is a disinformant was uncalled for. We all need > to unite and ban together to get our efforts to fruition. Bruce, you > could hold off on comments towards the magnetic motor and Larry could > also stop throwing water on the issue of Bruce's cell. > > His cell is unique. Those of you who eventually will get to see it will > know this when you do. Please excuse me for being an ass this morning. > Please excuse me Larry for throwing a dart your way. I can see that you > have been doing some real research here as well. What it all boils down > to is for the guys making the claims to show or go. Let's not jump to > conclusions about who or what until we all see for ourselves. Starting > with me first. I apologize for the remarks made this morning on the > list here. > > We all need to ban together. I personally do believe that there is a > way for a magnetic motor to generate power in any size. Larry may have > that answer. I am sure that we all want to see this. Let's not start > raising doubts about scamming here. I think we all know Bruce well > enough by now. Larry, in your email, you did infer that Bruce was > perhaps making off with money and a "no show" for the money sent. You > know, the same could be inferred on you as well. > > Sorry to step on toes here. It was not my intention, I just over > reacted. > > I figure if your machines work, then I will see it eventually. The news > amongst ourselves won't be unstoppable, if it is true. > -sam From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 12:44:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA27987; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:43:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38A5D3AB.AB2AA5D5@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:42:03 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: Nu Energy Horizons , freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MY APOLOGIES. References: <38A5950C.A2AA46FC@webzone.net> <38A5ADD6.4E91@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FXA9M3.0.Br6.iNSfu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13853 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Maybe 'Larry' is our Keelynet friend reborn with a different name? Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > SAM, > > The PM motor is is not Larry's invention from what I gather. I > have gone over the requests again and there is no letter from him. > There are a grand total of 36 requests. Some content money > contributions some do not. They are all just as valuable to me > whether than contain money or not. I can tell you that > contributions come no where close to $50,000. What I have > received has been used to file the provisional patent. The > remaining contributions will be used to develope distributor kits. > > It appears to me that Larry is trying to weave doubt on this list. > Larry I am asking you politely to stop these negative attacks on my > work. > If you continue this disrespect then you leave me no choice but to > take you off from the Nu Energy list. The choice is up to you. > > The motor has popped out of thin air. Back in 1982 I got to see the > "Johnson Motor" in the inventors garage in Fitchburg, Mass. The guys > name was not Johnson either. Johnson stole the concept from him and > got credit for it. The problem is that from what I saw it was not > self-running. > > Thank you sam and all of you who know and support this work. > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > sam wrote: > > > > I am sorry for the over reaction on the part of the message that > > Larry Lapurage posted this morning. I know Bruce. He is extremely > > paranoid about someone else taking off with all his efforts. This is > > his egg. Please bear with him. Please bear with me. > > > > My inferring that Larry is a disinformant was uncalled for. We all need > > to unite and ban together to get our efforts to fruition. Bruce, you > > could hold off on comments towards the magnetic motor and Larry could > > also stop throwing water on the issue of Bruce's cell. > > > > His cell is unique. Those of you who eventually will get to see it will > > know this when you do. Please excuse me for being an ass this morning. > > Please excuse me Larry for throwing a dart your way. I can see that you > > have been doing some real research here as well. What it all boils down > > to is for the guys making the claims to show or go. Let's not jump to > > conclusions about who or what until we all see for ourselves. Starting > > with me first. I apologize for the remarks made this morning on the > > list here. > > > > We all need to ban together. I personally do believe that there is a > > way for a magnetic motor to generate power in any size. Larry may have > > that answer. I am sure that we all want to see this. Let's not start > > raising doubts about scamming here. I think we all know Bruce well > > enough by now. Larry, in your email, you did infer that Bruce was > > perhaps making off with money and a "no show" for the money sent. You > > know, the same could be inferred on you as well. > > > > Sorry to step on toes here. It was not my intention, I just over > > reacted. > > > > I figure if your machines work, then I will see it eventually. The news > > amongst ourselves won't be unstoppable, if it is true. > > -sam From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 13:23:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21976; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:22:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:22:52 -0800 Message-ID: <38A5DCEF.6BC9F353@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:21:36 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor - where its at, nuff said References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MQnFQ1.0.DN5.hySfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13854 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: Re: purchase inquiry Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:06:34 -0800 From: "Paul LeBreton" To: "D Adams" References: 1 , 2 , 3 ----- Original Message ----- From: D Adams To: Paul LeBreton Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Re: purchase inquiry > ok... also I noticed your web page said; > > "Demo Motors are soon to be available !!! What would you like for us to Design > and/or > Manufacture for You ??? We can take orders for small quantities of > custom-built > Prototypes at this time !!! " > > Could you build a small working magnetic motor as a novelty I could show > friends, etc? WE HAVE YET TO GET OUR INITIAL PROTOTYPE RUNNING ITSELF...A NEW REVISED PROTOTYPE IS CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED / WE WILL THEN MAKE COFFEE-MUG SIZED DEMO MOTORS AVAILABLE FOR ABOUT $100 EACH > Something that might power a small toy car? Could that be available sooner > and what would the cost be? WE GOTTA GET ONE RUNNING FIRST > > > Paul LeBreton wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: D Adams > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:45 PM > > Subject: purchase inquiry > > > > > hi, > > > > > > how much would it cost to get one of these free energy motors to power a > > > moped? WE ARE STILL HAVING INITIAL PROTOTYPES BUILT > > AT THIS TIME...WHEN WE GO TO MARKET A MOPED MOTOR > > SHOULDN'T COST OVER $100 > > > how soon could one be built? > > GIVE US 4 MONTHS -MAYBE 6 MONTHS -TO GET TO MARKET > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 14:37:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA12039; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:37:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:37:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20000212223630.36279.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.238] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: -BAP Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:36:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"bzeIN.0._x2.G2Ufu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13855 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Well Larry, >P.T. Barnem said that there is always a sucker born every minute! P.T. Barnem never said that ... but he never had a problem getting people in to his museum... the problem he had was getting people out... you see the fire department would only allow so many people in the building at one time so they could only let people in at the same rate they left.... Barnems solution was to put up big signs that said "THIS WAY TO THE EGRESS--->" people would get so excited to see what wonderful display this "egress" must be that they would bypass on the exhibits just to see it.. Just imagin their amazement when they found themselves standing out side in the street... that's how I feel about -BAP I've been lied to! we just have to remind everyone now so that no one gits taken again... Timothy... > > > Please check back and read one of his past posts about 3 weeks ago when >he >said he was going to give out his invention free of charge ASAP as you sent >him a self addressed envelope,And then went back on his word 180* . > P.S. egress means exit.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 14:56:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA18205; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:55:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <38A5E518.10A7@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:56:24 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: -BAP References: <20000212223630.36279.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W2_K73.0.DS4.bJUfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13856 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Timothy, How much more ungrateful can you get? ASAP means just what it means... AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! One good thing is coming out of this... the wheat is shifting from the chaffe! -Bruce A. Perreault Timothy Flytch wrote: > > Well Larry, > >P.T. Barnem said that there is always a sucker born every minute! > > P.T. Barnem never said that ... but he never had a problem getting people in > to his museum... the problem he had was getting people out... you see the > fire department would only allow so many people in the building at one time > so they could only let people in at the same rate they left.... Barnems > solution was to put up big signs that said "THIS WAY TO THE EGRESS--->" > people would get so excited to see what wonderful display this "egress" must > be that they would bypass on the exhibits just to see it.. Just imagin their > amazement when they found themselves standing out side in the street... > > that's how I feel about -BAP > I've been lied to! > we just have to remind everyone now so that no one gits taken again... > Timothy... > > > > > > Please check back and read one of his past posts about 3 weeks ago when > >he > >said he was going to give out his invention free of charge ASAP as you sent > >him a self addressed envelope,And then went back on his word 180* . > > > P.S. egress means exit.... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 15:12:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA22890; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:12:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: <38A5E90E.5845@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:13:18 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor - where its at, nuff said References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> <38A5DCEF.6BC9F353@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ip8aI.0.Xb5.XZUfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13857 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com D Adams, Thank you for enlightening the lists here. Why am I attacked when I point these things out? -BAP D Adams wrote: > > Subject: > Re: purchase inquiry > Date: > Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:06:34 -0800 > From: > "Paul LeBreton" > To: > "D Adams" > References: > 1 , 2 , 3 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D Adams > To: Paul LeBreton > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: purchase inquiry > > > ok... also I noticed your web page said; > > > > "Demo Motors are soon to be available !!! What would you like for us to > Design > > and/or > > Manufacture for You ??? We can take orders for small quantities of > > custom-built > > Prototypes at this time !!! " > > > > Could you build a small working magnetic motor as a novelty I could show > > friends, etc? WE HAVE YET TO GET OUR INITIAL PROTOTYPE > RUNNING ITSELF...A NEW REVISED PROTOTYPE IS CURRENTLY > BEING CONSTRUCTED / WE WILL THEN MAKE COFFEE-MUG > SIZED DEMO MOTORS AVAILABLE FOR ABOUT $100 EACH > > Something that might power a small toy car? Could that be available > sooner > > and what would the cost be? WE GOTTA GET ONE RUNNING FIRST > > > > > > Paul LeBreton wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: D Adams > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:45 PM > > > Subject: purchase inquiry > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > how much would it cost to get one of these free energy motors to power > a > > > > moped? WE ARE STILL HAVING INITIAL PROTOTYPES BUILT > > > AT THIS TIME...WHEN WE GO TO MARKET A MOPED MOTOR > > > SHOULDN'T COST OVER $100 > > > > how soon could one be built? > > > GIVE US 4 MONTHS -MAYBE 6 MONTHS -TO GET TO MARKET From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 16:58:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16529; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:57:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:57:34 -0800 Message-ID: <38A601B1.6BB9@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:58:25 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Provisional Patent Reference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cd4kD.0.724.-5Wfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13858 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To all who have requested information, http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/actinia.pdf Pay particuliar attention to pages 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 39. This is directly related to our energy device. This is Moray publication is listed as a reference in my provisional patent. This will give you something to ponder before you receive your information. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 20:40:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04789; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:40:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:40:31 -0800 Message-ID: <38A64382.5FB7CC38@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:39:15 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor - where its at, nuff said References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> <38A5DCEF.6BC9F353@telusplanet.net> <38A5E90E.5845@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qPIWi1.0.kA1._MZfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13859 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com whoa... Bruce, hold on... I have no axe to grind with you man, I always enjoy your posts. I think maybe you misunderstood my tone.... if somebody else critiques you or uses a terse tone in messages with you it doesnt mean that others feel the same way, I was actually just dissapointed to find out that this guys device wasnt at a working prototype stage..... relax buddy.... I'm definitely not attacking you, in fact I want to hear whatever you have to say.... anythingyou feel is worth while I'll giveyou a chance to hear you out... I just did a bit of digging on this cause you got me interested and I expressed my dissapointment at where it ended up, no big deal, keep the info coming! cheers mon ami! Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > D Adams, > > Thank you for enlightening the lists here. > Why am I attacked when I point these things out? > > -BAP > > D Adams wrote: > > > > Subject: > > Re: purchase inquiry > > Date: > > Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:06:34 -0800 > > From: > > "Paul LeBreton" > > To: > > "D Adams" > > References: > > 1 , 2 , 3 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: D Adams > > To: Paul LeBreton > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: purchase inquiry > > > > > ok... also I noticed your web page said; > > > > > > "Demo Motors are soon to be available !!! What would you like for us to > > Design > > > and/or > > > Manufacture for You ??? We can take orders for small quantities of > > > custom-built > > > Prototypes at this time !!! " > > > > > > Could you build a small working magnetic motor as a novelty I could show > > > friends, etc? WE HAVE YET TO GET OUR INITIAL PROTOTYPE > > RUNNING ITSELF...A NEW REVISED PROTOTYPE IS CURRENTLY > > BEING CONSTRUCTED / WE WILL THEN MAKE COFFEE-MUG > > SIZED DEMO MOTORS AVAILABLE FOR ABOUT $100 EACH > > > Something that might power a small toy car? Could that be available > > sooner > > > and what would the cost be? WE GOTTA GET ONE RUNNING FIRST > > > > > > > > > Paul LeBreton wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: D Adams > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:45 PM > > > > Subject: purchase inquiry > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > how much would it cost to get one of these free energy motors to power > > a > > > > > moped? WE ARE STILL HAVING INITIAL PROTOTYPES BUILT > > > > AT THIS TIME...WHEN WE GO TO MARKET A MOPED MOTOR > > > > SHOULDN'T COST OVER $100 > > > > > how soon could one be built? > > > > GIVE US 4 MONTHS -MAYBE 6 MONTHS -TO GET TO MARKET From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 12 21:35:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA18753; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:34:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:34:43 -0800 Message-ID: <20000213053408.32416.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.11.141.214] From: "Neurotic Scientist" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: skulls & skeletons (rather off topic) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 05:34:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"69HKx.0.va4.o9afu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13860 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello everyone, I have a question that is rather off the list topic. If this email bothers you, please excuse it and accept my appology. Ive found some skulls recently, that belonged to Javelines, a type of desert pig.. They were burried in the ground, for an undetermined amount of time, and I was wondering if anyone could direct me to an internet site that teaches methods of cleaning bones, skulls, as well as properley removing skulls from dead things. If not, a text or email would be find as well. Thank you for your time, -The Neurotic Scientist- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 13 07:55:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA20891; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:54:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:54:24 -0800 Message-ID: <38A6D3EB.131F@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:55:23 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor - where its at, nuff said References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> <38A5DCEF.6BC9F353@telusplanet.net> <38A5E90E.5845@cyberportal.net> <38A64382.5FB7CC38@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BJyY43.0.K65.lEjfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13861 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com D Adams, Oh no... sorry if I came off cross with you. May statement was ment as a big thank you. If I sounded negative it was because of the rotten day that I had. You posts validated my own feelings. It is tough being clear in my posts, getting the correct message across. I often get burried in emails. I try to answer all of them... problem is sometimes my message does not come out the way that I had intended it. Sorry for not being clear. Thank you for your post. -Bruce A. Perreault D Adams wrote: > > whoa... Bruce, hold on... I have no axe to grind with you man, I always enjoy > your posts. > I think maybe you misunderstood my tone.... if somebody else critiques you or uses > a terse > tone in messages with you it doesnt mean that others feel the same way, I was > actually > just dissapointed to find out that this guys device wasnt at a working prototype > stage..... > relax buddy.... I'm definitely not attacking you, in fact I want to hear whatever > you have to say.... > anythingyou feel is worth while I'll giveyou a chance to hear you out... I just > did a bit of digging on > this cause you got me interested and I expressed my dissapointment at where it > ended up, > no big deal, keep the info coming! > > cheers mon ami! > > Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > > D Adams, > > > > Thank you for enlightening the lists here. > > Why am I attacked when I point these things out? > > > > -BAP > > > > D Adams wrote: > > > > > > Subject: > > > Re: purchase inquiry > > > Date: > > > Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:06:34 -0800 > > > From: > > > "Paul LeBreton" > > > To: > > > "D Adams" > > > References: > > > 1 , 2 , 3 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: D Adams > > > To: Paul LeBreton > > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: purchase inquiry > > > > > > > ok... also I noticed your web page said; > > > > > > > > "Demo Motors are soon to be available !!! What would you like for us to > > > Design > > > > and/or > > > > Manufacture for You ??? We can take orders for small quantities of > > > > custom-built > > > > Prototypes at this time !!! " > > > > > > > > Could you build a small working magnetic motor as a novelty I could show > > > > friends, etc? WE HAVE YET TO GET OUR INITIAL PROTOTYPE > > > RUNNING ITSELF...A NEW REVISED PROTOTYPE IS CURRENTLY > > > BEING CONSTRUCTED / WE WILL THEN MAKE COFFEE-MUG > > > SIZED DEMO MOTORS AVAILABLE FOR ABOUT $100 EACH > > > > Something that might power a small toy car? Could that be available > > > sooner > > > > and what would the cost be? WE GOTTA GET ONE RUNNING FIRST > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul LeBreton wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: D Adams > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:45 PM > > > > > Subject: purchase inquiry > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > how much would it cost to get one of these free energy motors to power > > > a > > > > > > moped? WE ARE STILL HAVING INITIAL PROTOTYPES BUILT > > > > > AT THIS TIME...WHEN WE GO TO MARKET A MOPED MOTOR > > > > > SHOULDN'T COST OVER $100 > > > > > > how soon could one be built? > > > > > GIVE US 4 MONTHS -MAYBE 6 MONTHS -TO GET TO MARKET From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 13 08:14:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA28838; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:14:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:14:34 -0800 Message-ID: <38A6D8A2.698F@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:15:30 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Magnetic Motor - where its at, nuff said References: <001b01bf74d7$6b923d80$f0a270d1@acer> <38A4E4CF.50E3@cyberportal.net> <005201bf756f$d44b7d80$784cfc9e@computer> <38A5DCEF.6BC9F353@telusplanet.net> <38A5E90E.5845@cyberportal.net> <38A64382.5FB7CC38@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DwE_B1.0.Q27.fXjfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13862 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com D Adams , > > > > Thank you for enlightening the lists here. I am thanking you for your posts. > > > > Why am I attacked when I point these things out? This was refering to the attacks of Larry and Tim. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 13 08:50:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA11183; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:49:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:49:33 -0800 Message-ID: <38A6E0D6.6BC2@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:50:30 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Warning! Patent applications and Secrecy Order References: <004d01bf75e1$04b315c0$f60f1440@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B4Qjj.0.ek2.T2kfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13863 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dan Hicks wrote: > > Bruce when I saw that you were planning to get a patent on your > device I remembered somthing that I printed off the web a couple of years > ago in the public library. > > Unfortunately I don't have the complete page but it does give you all the > info to look up the rest. I beleive I know what you are refering to. All too often patents get a security order slapped onto them. > > I think you might want to reconsider the patent process as you may find > yourself completely ham strung if your device is place under this edict as > have 3,000 others since 1952. I was very careful with the wording in my provisional patent application as to not draw red flags to it. I have made no power claims to draw attention to it, other than that it is high density. I did not include my work with radioactive processes. The only reference that I make to radioactive material is that it can be used to ionize the air. As I have posted... I have made advances beyond Moray's work. In the begining of my research into the Moray device I first thought that his device had to be powered by radioactive matter. As a result I have found the truth behind radioactive reactions. If I attempted to patent these findings a "gag order" would in all likelyhood be slapped on me. This year I plan on releasing more of my findings in regards to radioactive reactions. Hopefully I will not step too far over the line. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault > > Why not get the plans out there first then if you want to try and get the > patent. Otherwise as you can plainly see, you might be gagged from telling > anyone. > The powers that be are not going to allow any free-energy device to marketed > and as I read in a very interesting book called "Patent it yourself" > it plainly states that unless you have the money to defend it a patent is > useless. > > I wish you well. > > Here's what I downloaded and printed: > > ...NERGY%20AND%20FREE%20ENERGY%20THEORY%2 > > probably best known to this group. What happened is that they removed > the money from him to do his research and effectively stifled this > remarkable man. How many other times has it happened to someone not so > well known? At this moment, there are over 3,000 devices or > applications in the patent office that have been branded as security or > put under wraps by the secrecy order, Title 35, U.S. Code (1952) > Sections 181-188. What is security? How is it defined? I have had > many inventors or other scientists tell me that they did not want to > discuss their invention with me or others because they might lose it to > us or we might tell someone else before they got it onto the market. > Believe me, it won't get there by going through the patent process. It > is my feeling that if such a device were introduced at this level, then > it would be put under the Secrecy Act. I don't know that I am correct > in this assumption. But I cannot imagine a government like ours wanting > to commit financial suicide. So what better way than to brand something > as a secret? > I would like to read the Secrecy Order to you so that you may better > understand my concern. Please pay close attention. I think it is very > important. To you or anyone!!! Consider your receiving this: > > SECRECY ORDER > (Title 35, United States Code (1952), sections 181-188) > NOTICE: To the applicant above named, his heirs, and any and all of his > assignees, attorneys and agents, hereinafter designated principals: > You are hereby notified that your application as above identified has > been found to contain subject matter, the unauthorized disclosure of > which might be detrimental to the national security, and you are ordered > in nowise to publish or disclose the invention or any material > information with respect thereto, including hitherto unpublished details > of the subject matter of said application, in any way to any person not From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 13 12:08:51 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05980; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:08:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:08:07 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: skulls & skeletons (rather off topic) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20000213201914078.AAA116@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"NiGKb2.0.HT1.dymfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13864 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The Neurotic Scientist writes: >I have a question that is rather off the list topic. If this email bothers >you, please excuse it and accept my appology. Hi Neurotic, This is a weird science group, but you're the first to bring this particular subject up. My first thought would be to do a websearch on taxidermy. There are supposed to be listserves, webpages and newsgroups for everything. This is a pretty good test. Let us know how it goes. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 13 16:18:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15805; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:17:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:17:40 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:17:01 EST Subject: Better illustration of Big A To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_e3.139acd9.25d8a37d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"6ZlL82.0.ss3.acqfu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13865 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_e3.139acd9.25d8a37d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 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-0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:45:08 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <65.1a5c24c.25d9a706@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:44:22 EST Subject: Big A, color, coil, R5 moving in To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_65.1a5c24c.25d9a706_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"i1MrO.0.at7.pq4gu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13867 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_65.1a5c24c.25d9a706_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached is the drawing of the phase where the fragment is "moving closer" to the "3/4 ring" with the coil opposing the decrease of flux through R1 Butch --part1_65.1a5c24c.25d9a706_boundary Content-Type: image/gif; name="COILOPEN.GIF" 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list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_3f.fc2006.25d9a899_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, The shaded drawing with closed-coil on R1 while R5 increases (initial Vc=Vd) is attached below. 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Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:00:56 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.18f35ed.25d9c6d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:00:04 EST Subject: Re: To H.K. Flux polarity color Big A To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"vwABI1.0.-t4.5q6gu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13870 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 2/14/00 12:00:24 AM Central Standard Time, hertz@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in writes: > Hai all, > This resembles the elec. wein bridge. with four arms forming the circle. Is > this producing Over unity ? or just theory. > If so similar unbalance should give some results in elec. circuits. > Regards H.K., I am running test now to confirm theory. I came up with this about two years ago but got no response from list. I think it will show overunity. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 14 14:55:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA07158; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:54:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:54:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.20000214145633.23af2494@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:56:33 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Big A, color, coil, R5 moving out In-Reply-To: <3f.fc2006.25d9a899@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lcjQf.0.Zl1.MU8gu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13871 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Butch and all, At 01:51 PM 02/14/00 EST, you wrote: >Hi All, >The shaded drawing with closed-coil on R1 while R5 increases (initial Vc=Vd) >is attached below. > >Another situation whith closed-coil on R1 while R5 decreases (initial Vcalso possible. > >It is important that the initial conditions are allowed to settle to Vccyclical setup. This can be achieved by opening the coil while the R5 is >large (or away), or allowing sufficient time for the load connected to the >coil to dissipate all of the curent in the coil before the R5 starts >decreasing. (In real world the resistance of coil's windings will continously >dissipate the current.) I still don't see what you are trying to do. I see you can vary the flux in the center arm. In light of the above paragraph "allowing sufficient time", what do you mean by the word "maintain" in the drawings, as in "the coil maintains the flux"? A added DC supply as you mention later. >In this second case the coil will try to maintain Vc(moves closer), and the attraction of this ferro-fragment will be larger >because of the action of the coil that will attempt to maintain the strong >South pole at point-D. Yes, some of the magnetic energy of the coil is converted to attractive force. I agree with that. I don't see why is is any different from a pole piece being placed across an electromagnet. (On during approach, off during removal) >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\COILON1.gif" > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 14 19:14:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA02047; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:13:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:13:58 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:13:13 EST Subject: [jlnlabs] Re:To John/Color codes for Big A To: jlnlabs@egroups.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"NEakN.0.nV.qHCgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13872 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 2/14/00 4:06:49 PM Central Standard Time, herman@antioch-college.edu writes: > I cannot see the picture, is it possible to put the picture at > some www site? John, I will start site just for this design. I will post web address. Thanks for input and sorry for problems. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 14 23:08:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA29203; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:07:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:07:58 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.1c043df.25da5524@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:07:16 EST Subject: Re:To Dave on Big A design To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, energy21@listbot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"I4ala.0.u77.CjFgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13873 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 2/14/00 4:57:37 PM Central Standard Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > I still don't see what you are trying to do. Dave, There has been some information left out that came about from my consulting with people not on the list. I am fast tracking this design and in doing so over looked it. What I am trying to prove with this design is this. The "cross bar" or R1 has the same flux polarity on both ends. The reluctance of all the segments of the circuit is such that (equal) the polarity in the center of the "cross bar" R1 is neutral. I worked with this circuit many years ago in an electrical capacity and the voltage potential in the center wire (R1) could be made to be zero. That intrigued me. I used the same circuit replacing current with magnetic flux to see if any potential for overunity could be found in the circuit using the R1 segment with a coil as a means to accomplish overunity. After consulting with others I came to the conclusion that when R5 was removed from the circuit, with coil circuit closed, that there was a possibility that when the flux now "flowed" across R1 to point D that the coil would react such that it would try to maintain the flux level in the circuit (zero). That flux level being zero to start with, then Point D would not change it's polarity and flux density would stay the same or maybe decrease and R5 would not move away from a changing polarity or increasing flux density. Then after R5 stopped moving and the coil effect out of the sequence now, the polarity in R1 would be such that flux would "flow" from point C across R1 to point D then to R3. Flux would also continue to "flow" on the left part of the circuit from point C to R2. Now I hope to prove with tests that when R5 is allowed to be attracted back to it's original position that it will be pulled in with more or the same force that was needed to remove it. Also remember voltage/current was produced by the coil in this sequence of events. The reason I believe R5 will move in with more or same force is because the coil will attempt to maintain the flux at it's present state till R5 is back in the circuit and R1 ("cross bar") goes back to neutral. In the end only tests will tell. I am setting up now for testing. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 15 09:38:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA23579; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:38:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:38:14 -0800 Message-ID: <38A98F25.48DE@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:38:45 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Berry CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: The PDF document. References: <001b01bf7729$a72138c0$1b29fc3e@puma> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EkwTh3.0.Hm5.6yOgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13874 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Bruce, > > How are you doing. By the items on the list, Larry is still being a pain > but by the looks of it everyone has his measure. How did you get on with > straightening out your kids education? You just don't need that at this > time. I do not need it at anytime. :( > > I have read the papers regarding "Photo Actinia Oxygen Therapy By Electric > Reaction" and it seemed that I had come across something like this before. > After a while I got it, but it wasn't the source I thought it was going to > be. Not my collected notes from the Internet but from a video my brother in > law bought me for christmas. > > The video was The Matrix, and the story line revolves around the fact that > reality is false and is only a cyber world. Humans are bred in order to > capture the energy that is generated from the human body as it is an > efficient converter of organic matter into electrical power and each body > would generate 125 Kw continuously....... Ok that's the fiction out of the > way. In alot of ways reality is like "cyber world." The mindset of societies puts reality into motion. Reality is a preconditioned perception. > > If I follow correctly what was contained in the document, cells maintain an > electrical potential difference within the body and if this is left to run > down, the organism dies. Just like a battery. (Page 17 - 18) Further to > this, I note the passage regarding 'excessive activity of the > thyroid-adrenal sympathetic system which brings about the genesis of > excessive radiant and electrical energy...' > > On page 39, it talks about the Acid -> Alkaline nature of the nucleus -> > cytoplasm and a membrane or dilectrict or PVC film perhaps? > > Are we then saying that if we were to create a big cell and apply the rules > for production and operation of protoplasm and find some way of drawing off > the electrical energy produced we would have a power cell ! Yes! Exactly! This will be shown in my patent release. The same principle can even be applied to the "aging" of the elements as Moray has proved by his process to age (fission) metal ores. > > In order to excite the cell we would need some source, may be an alpha or > beta radiation source as we want the cell to the point where it will > maintain a highly excited state but not overload and die, as is explained in > the text. > > If this is even near the mark, I can now see why you don't need to tell > people how big the units will be. Then can be whatever size you like. You > are only bound by the size that you can make the cell. In relative terms > will a swimming pool sized cell generate an equivalent power output to a > cell the size of a match box? That'll be interesting? The energy density per volume of space brings us into the realm of what is perceived as "over-unity." More precisely it is a super-unity phenomenon. > > I know you won't be able to confirm or deny any of these ideas, but if its > anywhere near this is so exciting I can't wait to see it in operation. Well > I can really as it will be worth waiting for. Many people will become exited when the truth is known. However, they may well be just as many that lose their excitement. There will also be others that may recent me. > > As I told you, I moved house 3 months ago and I have just found out that my > next door neighbour was a research scientist at the Harwell Laboratories - > they have been trying to create fission within a magnetic field for the last > 10 - 15 years. I thought I might have a discussion about your work with him. > I wonder if he'll be a dyed in the wool scientist - hope not. If he/she is an old timer then you will learn alot. Recent generations of scientists are parots of the system, most, but not all. > > As for the comments regarding the patent, I would be willing to hold a copy > of any documentation for you in England. I know that you don't know me from > Adam but there we go. The offer is really genuine. > > I wonder if the Feds are monitoring your e-mail. Bet if you send something > like that it might disappear !!! Hope not, just being paranoid. I'm not too worried. There should be caution but it should not become paranoia unless warrented. > > Further to the distribution of the cell, I feel that there has to be an > adoption of the concept and above all a slow paced release of the technology > through people who understand its functionality and are able to evangalise > about the product/concept. The worst thing would be for cells to be created > and they do not function due to the inability of the constructor to make the > cell. Yep, I know you told me that it was straight forward, but so is taking > the skin off a bananna...... Yes... this is the way things seem to be heading. > > If you have anymore interesting papers, I would love to read them. I do... but there is not enough time to post them all. > > You said no one has yet gone the distance, well I'm in the mood for a long > walk with or without everyone else. > Keep going Bruce, I and many others are right behind you. > > Regards, > Graham You have made my day... this makes up for the negative dodo that has been sent my way the last few days. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 15 15:28:23 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15277; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:27:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:27:48 -0800 Message-ID: <005201bf780b$bfff0d80$ee4cfc9e@computer> From: "larry lepurage" To: "Say What is On your Mind!" , Cc: , References: <3894D86C.7210@cyberportal.net> Subject: Re: Urgent! Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:21:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"verKA2.0.ck3.p3Ugu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13875 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce A. Perreault To: Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Urgent! > Say What is On your Mind! > Attention All Please note the time and date of Bruces following statement below and then you tell me if I am causing a problem. All that I said in the past was the truth. I know in most cases the truth always hurts. When Bruce mentioned of his own willingness of releasing all of his patent details because of the information listed below, he wanted to get it into public domane to help the world. This was a kind and smart chioce on his part. Then ego and greed set in, and wahalla I want a patten. If BB decides to use the Secrecy Act on Bruces invention then know one can ever use it. With Oil prices going thru the roof, BB would do anything to protect the OIL Co. =Taxes. You eliminate Oil and you eliminate Taxes They won't let it happen ! Think, Think, Think it out! I Pratice what I Preach every day at my store "The Herbal pantry Plus" with cures for all diseases known to man. I give this information out freely with out charge. I will spend hours with people discussing their ailments and what they need to do to reverse the disease! All Diseases are Reversable! Larry Lepurage > Dear Supporters, > > This was brought to my attention today. > In response I am not filing for my patent. > This is just too close for comfort. > > For those of you who have requested to distribute > the Nu Power Fuel Cells please forward a self-addressed > stamped #10 envelope to me. I will in turn send you a > hardcopy of my basic fuel cell design. This comprises > one sheet with text on both sides detailing the invention. > It also includes a diagram of the cell. It is dated and > notorized by my bank. > > I think the best way to proceed now is to give a public > disclosure at this point. The next step is to build production > runs and sell them to everyone that we come into contact with. > As a team we can hit the market hard! > > Any feedback at this point is welcome. If I am going about this > in the wrong way please let me know. > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m7874.html > > http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/current/tech.html > > Driving cars with hydrogen peroxide > > Researchers at Purdue University (West Lafayette, IN) are developing a > new > type of environmentally friendly fuel cell that runs on chemical > reactions > between hydrogen peroxide and aluminum and generates about 20 times > more > electricity per pound than car batteries, claim the developers. "It has > a huge > amount of energy potential," says John Rusek, an assistant professor of > aeronautics and astronautics at Purdue, who is working with students to > develop the cell. The hydrogen peroxide serves two roles: it is a > "catholyte," > meaning it is both the electrolyte, a liquid that conducts electricity > and allows > the reaction to occur, and also the cathode, or the portion of the > battery that > attracts electrons. The aluminum serves as the cell's fuel and its > anode; as it > oxidizes, it gives up electrons. Waste products include water and > recyclable > chemical compounds. The experimental cells do not immediately provide a > steady supply of electricity. It takes about two hours for the cells to > reach their > peak electrical output before producing a steady current flow. If > perfected, such > an electricity source could one day replace conventional batteries in > many > applications, including portable electronic equipment, Rusek says. A > poster > paper about the research was presented in November,1999 during the > Second > International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conference at the > University. Call: > (765) 494-4782 or e-mail: rusek@ecn.purdue.edu. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy2-unsubscribe@listbot.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > Get a Free PC with a 3-year subscription to The Microsoft Network > (after rebates). The new PC features a 400MHz Celeron, 32MB, 4GB, 40x > CD, 3D Graphics and a 56K modem. Come to > http://www.listbot.com/links/myfavoritepc2 for details. Act now > since this is a limited time offer! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 15 15:30:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA16836; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:30:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:30:33 -0800 Message-ID: <005901bf780c$2268d6e0$ee4cfc9e@computer> From: "larry lepurage" To: "larry lepurage" , "Say What is On your Mind!" , Cc: , Subject: Re: Urgent! Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:26:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"75ExI.0.z64.O6Ugu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13876 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: larry lepurage To: Say What is On your Mind! ; Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Urgent! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce A. Perreault > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 7:33 PM > Subject: Urgent! > > > > Say What is On your Mind! > > Attention All > > Please note the time and date of Bruces following statement below and then > you tell me if I am causing a problem. All that I said in the past was the > truth. I know in most cases the truth always hurts. > When Bruce mentioned of his own willingness of releasing all of his patent > details because of the information listed below, he wanted to get it into > public domane to help the world. This was a kind and > smart chioce on his part. Then ego and greed set in, and wahalla I want a > patten. If BB decides to use the Secrecy Act on Bruces invention then know > one can ever use it. > With Oil prices going thru the roof, BB would do anything to protect the OIL > Co. =Taxes. You eliminate Oil and you eliminate Taxes They won't > let it happen ! Think, Think, Think it out! > > I Pratice what I Preach every day at my store "The Herbal pantry Plus" > with cures for all diseases known to man. I give this information out freely > with out charge. I will spend hours with people discussing their ailments > and what they need to do to reverse the disease! > All Diseases are Reversable! > > Larry Lepurage > > > Dear Supporters, > > > > This was brought to my attention today. > > In response I am not filing for my patent. > > This is just too close for comfort. > > > > For those of you who have requested to distribute > > the Nu Power Fuel Cells please forward a self-addressed > > stamped #10 envelope to me. I will in turn send you a > > hardcopy of my basic fuel cell design. This comprises > > one sheet with text on both sides detailing the invention. > > It also includes a diagram of the cell. It is dated and > > notorized by my bank. > > > > I think the best way to proceed now is to give a public > > disclosure at this point. The next step is to build production > > runs and sell them to everyone that we come into contact with. > > As a team we can hit the market hard! > > > > Any feedback at this point is welcome. If I am going about this > > in the wrong way please let me know. > > > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > > http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m7874.html > > > > http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/current/tech.html > > > > Driving cars with hydrogen peroxide > > > > Researchers at Purdue University (West Lafayette, IN) are developing a > > new > > type of environmentally friendly fuel cell that runs on chemical > > reactions > > between hydrogen peroxide and aluminum and generates about 20 times > > more > > electricity per pound than car batteries, claim the developers. "It has > > a huge > > amount of energy potential," says John Rusek, an assistant professor of > > aeronautics and astronautics at Purdue, who is working with students to > > develop the cell. The hydrogen peroxide serves two roles: it is a > > "catholyte," > > meaning it is both the electrolyte, a liquid that conducts electricity > > and allows > > the reaction to occur, and also the cathode, or the portion of the > > battery that > > attracts electrons. The aluminum serves as the cell's fuel and its > > anode; as it > > oxidizes, it gives up electrons. Waste products include water and > > recyclable > > chemical compounds. The experimental cells do not immediately provide a > > steady supply of electricity. It takes about two hours for the cells to > > reach their > > peak electrical output before producing a steady current flow. If > > perfected, such > > an electricity source could one day replace conventional batteries in > > many > > applications, including portable electronic equipment, Rusek says. A > > poster > > paper about the research was presented in November,1999 during the > > Second > > International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conference at the > > University. Call: > > (765) 494-4782 or e-mail: rusek@ecn.purdue.edu. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy2-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Get a Free PC with a 3-year subscription to The Microsoft Network > > (after rebates). The new PC features a 400MHz Celeron, 32MB, 4GB, 40x > > CD, 3D Graphics and a 56K modem. Come to > > http://www.listbot.com/links/myfavoritepc2 for details. Act now > > since this is a limited time offer! > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 15 17:14:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA23943; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:14:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:14:06 -0800 Message-ID: <38A9F946.5D8A@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:11:34 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: Re: Urgent! References: <005901bf780c$2268d6e0$ee4cfc9e@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ydV4i.0.wr5.SdVgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13877 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Larry, One question for you? Do you make money off from the herbs that you sell? We got some great energy going on at the Nu Energy List. Everyone is doing their part to make the product a success. Big Brother is at the back of our minds but we are not letting this stop us dead in our tracks before we even try. Three strikes and you are out. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault larry lepurage wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: larry lepurage > To: Say What is On your Mind! ; > > Cc: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: Urgent! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bruce A. Perreault > > To: > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 7:33 PM > > Subject: Urgent! > > > > > > > Say What is On your Mind! > > > Attention All > > > > Please note the time and date of Bruces following statement below and then > > you tell me if I am causing a problem. All that I said in the past was the > > truth. I know in most cases the truth always hurts. > > When Bruce mentioned of his own willingness of releasing all of his patent > > details because of the information listed below, he wanted to get it into > > public domane to help the world. This was a kind and > > smart chioce on his part. Then ego and greed set in, and wahalla I want a > > patten. If BB decides to use the Secrecy Act on Bruces invention then know > > one can ever use it. > > With Oil prices going thru the roof, BB would do anything to protect the > OIL > > Co. =Taxes. You eliminate Oil and you eliminate Taxes They won't > > let it happen ! Think, Think, Think it out! > > > > I Pratice what I Preach every day at my store "The Herbal pantry Plus" > > with cures for all diseases known to man. I give this information out > freely > > with out charge. I will spend hours with people discussing their ailments > > and what they need to do to reverse the disease! > > All Diseases are Reversable! > > > > Larry Lepurage > > > > > Dear Supporters, > > > > > > This was brought to my attention today. > > > In response I am not filing for my patent. > > > This is just too close for comfort. > > > > > > For those of you who have requested to distribute > > > the Nu Power Fuel Cells please forward a self-addressed > > > stamped #10 envelope to me. I will in turn send you a > > > hardcopy of my basic fuel cell design. This comprises > > > one sheet with text on both sides detailing the invention. > > > It also includes a diagram of the cell. It is dated and > > > notorized by my bank. > > > > > > I think the best way to proceed now is to give a public > > > disclosure at this point. The next step is to build production > > > runs and sell them to everyone that we come into contact with. > > > As a team we can hit the market hard! > > > > > > Any feedback at this point is welcome. If I am going about this > > > in the wrong way please let me know. > > > > > > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > > > > > http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m7874.html > > > > > > http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/current/tech.html > > > > > > Driving cars with hydrogen peroxide > > > > > > Researchers at Purdue University (West Lafayette, IN) are developing a > > > new > > > type of environmentally friendly fuel cell that runs on chemical > > > reactions > > > between hydrogen peroxide and aluminum and generates about 20 times > > > more > > > electricity per pound than car batteries, claim the developers. "It has > > > a huge > > > amount of energy potential," says John Rusek, an assistant professor of > > > aeronautics and astronautics at Purdue, who is working with students to > > > develop the cell. The hydrogen peroxide serves two roles: it is a > > > "catholyte," > > > meaning it is both the electrolyte, a liquid that conducts electricity > > > and allows > > > the reaction to occur, and also the cathode, or the portion of the > > > battery that > > > attracts electrons. The aluminum serves as the cell's fuel and its > > > anode; as it > > > oxidizes, it gives up electrons. Waste products include water and > > > recyclable > > > chemical compounds. The experimental cells do not immediately provide a > > > steady supply of electricity. It takes about two hours for the cells to > > > reach their > > > peak electrical output before producing a steady current flow. If > > > perfected, such > > > an electricity source could one day replace conventional batteries in > > > many > > > applications, including portable electronic equipment, Rusek says. A > > > poster > > > paper about the research was presented in November,1999 during the > > > Second > > > International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conference at the > > > University. Call: > > > (765) 494-4782 or e-mail: rusek@ecn.purdue.edu. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy2-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Get a Free PC with a 3-year subscription to The Microsoft Network > > > (after rebates). The new PC features a 400MHz Celeron, 32MB, 4GB, 40x > > > CD, 3D Graphics and a 56K modem. Come to > > > http://www.listbot.com/links/myfavoritepc2 for details. Act now > > > since this is a limited time offer! > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 15 20:51:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA15742; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:51:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:51:04 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:50:22 EST Subject: Test setup illustration To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c9.12da2d8.25db868e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"djdzk3.0.gr3.uoYgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13878 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_c9.12da2d8.25db868e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, This is an illustration of the test setup for the Big A project. 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<005901bf780c$2268d6e0$ee4cfc9e@computer> <38A9F946.5D8A@cyberportal.net> Subject: Re: Urgent! Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:25:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"ll6v81.0.dY4.pYggu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13879 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com First, how do I subscribe at the Nu Energy List. Second, for Bruce, you asked for feedback. I think you're a brave man. I've experienced enough to realize the problems you must conquer. Furthermore, feel with a good head and think with good hart. I hope you'll succeed and therefore I wish you all the best. And for Big Brother, your playing days are over, now its time for Little Brother to do things in the rightway!! We were watching you!! Sincerly, Aris. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 09:28:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA17513; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:26:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:26:20 -0800 From: Charlie Hodgson Reply-To: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com Organization: Society for Real Time To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Subject: Patents Was: Re: Urgent! Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:30:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <005901bf780c$2268d6e0$ee4cfc9e@computer> <38A9F946.5D8A@cyberportal.net> <000901bf7847$0560bbe0$5b3056c3@default> In-Reply-To: <000901bf7847$0560bbe0$5b3056c3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00021612370906.00757@cougar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA17472 Resent-Message-ID: <"cq8jN1.0.XH4.xsjgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13880 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Trohodon wrote: > And for Big Brother, your playing days are over, now its time for Little > Brother to do things in the rightway!! We were watching you!! Bruce, et. al., Have you considered filing in several countries similtaneously? If you also file in countries where Big Brother has no political clout, then Big Brother cannot supress it. The two major items seem to be 1/ Not being ripped off by big business 2/ Not being supressed bt big brother Once an item is patented, the technology is there for all to see. A secrecy order is useless if it not a secret. Does Cuba have thier own patent office? Charlie -- 10 is a Dark Blue 7 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 14:23:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA18861; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:22:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:22:51 -0800 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Urgent! Message-ID: <20000216.171053.-431143.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5,7-9,14-16,18,20-23,35-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"X0av_.0.cc4.xCogu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13881 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've been away for a few days, otherwise I would have responded sooner. Larry Lepurage wrote: >With Oil prices going thru the roof, BB would do anything to protect the OIL >Co. =Taxes. You eliminate Oil and you eliminate Taxes They won't >let it happen ! Think, Think, Think it out! Everybody knows that oil taxes do not generate all of the government's (I'm including local, state, and federal level in this term) income. They can find a way to tax anything, so a new invention will have almost no net effect on taxes, though initially they (the government) may lose some income. So this criticism is pointless. >I Pratice what I Preach every day at my store "The Herbal pantry Plus" >with cures for all diseases known to man. I give this information out freely >with out charge. I will spend hours with people discussing their ailments >and what they need to do to reverse the disease! >All Diseases are Reversable! You cannot cure everything, you are not God. Can you add even a single hour to someone's lifespan? No, you cannot even know when someone's going to die, let alone how to deter it. Maybe I'm reading too much into your statement, but it seems to me that you claim a 100% success rate by saying that ALL diseases can be reversed. Please tell me how you can regenerate nerve cells, and, more specifically, brain cells. Tell me how you can reverse pyemia. Can you cure malaria (not just send it into remission)? Can you cure AIDS or cancer? How about cerebral palsy, Down syndrome, or Parkinson's? Diseases cannot all be reversed after a certain time. For example, if someone's fingers fell off from leprosy, you cannot regenerate them. You quack! I wouldn't be suprised if you surprisedll (or worse) from the FDA. -Tom Grimes mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com ----------------------------------------- A sign in a New York restaurant: "Customers who find our waitresses rude ought to see the manager." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 14:32:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23307; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:32:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:32:14 -0800 Message-Id: <200002162222.XAA07101@imaginet.fr> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Albert CAU" Organization: sft To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:36:37 +1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: almost free energy magnetic motor Reply-to: sft@imaginet.fr Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"evlrK.0.0i5.iLogu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13882 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello , I am interested by your talks about magnetic motors . I have severalo questions to ask : 1 ) do permagnent magnets conserve for a long time the power of the field . 2) what are the permanent magnets of high magnetic field found on the market 3) To create an electric generator that could be an overunity system , it seems that the following could apply : - A rotor made of several wires in order to get an active area S - the rotor is fixed on an axis and is moved by a DC motor - the rotor cut a magnetic field produced by permanent magnet at a velocity omega given by the rotation of the DC motor . Since we have a periodical variation of flux in a constant magnetic field , a current should be created in the rotor . Since : flux(t) = S.B cos(omega . t ) the potential created is : E = omega . S . B . sin (omega . t ) . 10^-8 ( Volts ) and intensity is : I = I(o).sin(omega . t - phi ) with tan (phi) = ( omega . L ) / R and I(o) = E(o) / ( (R^2 + omega^2.L^2 )^(1/2) ) with E(o) = omega . S . B . 10^-8 (Volts ) I(o) : maximum intensity E(o) : maximum potential So if we increase the strength of the the magnetic field , we should get a higher intensity . The maximum power is given by : P(max) = E(o) . I(o) The power used to rotate the rotor is given by : P(in) = E(in) . I(in) Therefor , we should have overunity system when : P(max) / P(in) > 1 or : ( k . omega . S . B ) / P(in) > 1 k = cst Increasing the velocity will increase P(in) because higher initial intensity will be require , so to get an overunity system , we may act on B , or S ( in that case R , and L will change ) When overunity is reached it may be possible to use part of produced intensity to move the rotor . So the problem is now to optimize the third parameters : omega , S and B in order to get maximum useful intensity ( after using a part to run the rotor ) . In fact , I got the idea with the electrostatic motor of Bill Beaty made with coca-cola bottles . In my opinion , new ideas that could decrease your energy bill are an opportunity that cannot be discard . No matter about patent and all other tricks to make money : it has been proven that very few of people who got good ideas get money , may be because they do not belong to the right oligarchy . So if some people consider smarter to spread their ideas , they could hurt stronger big business that will have to change its policy because who will buy their equipments if you may ask somebody to set up for you a free energy generator ? Albert CAU sft@imaginet.fr Soft Fusion Technology http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/4786/index.html ou : http://www.geocities.com/albert_cau/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 15:25:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12026; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:22:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:22:55 -0800 Message-ID: <009a01bf78d4$69081340$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> From: "skot" To: Subject: Re: almost free energy magnetic motor Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:20:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01BF7891.5A5E8C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"L-eqG2.0.px2.F5pgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13883 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01BF7891.5A5E8C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the design I'm working on testing right now. It is simular to an idea Butch showed me. The distance between the poles have to be small and equal. scottb -----Original Message----- From: Albert CAU To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:35 AM Subject: almost free energy magnetic motor > > Hello , > > I am interested by your talks about magnetic motors . > >Albert CAU >sft@imaginet.fr ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01BF7891.5A5E8C40 Content-Type: image/gif; name="ou_1.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ou_1.gif" R0lGODdhRgHGAPcAAAAAAAAAQAAAgAAA/wAgAAAgQAAggAAg/wBAAABAQABAgABA/wBgAABgQABg gABg/wCAAACAQACAgACA/wCgAACgQACggACg/wDAAADAQADAgADA/wD/AAD/QAD/gAD//yAAACAA QCAAgCAA/yAgACAgQCAggCAg/yBAACBAQCBAgCBA/yBgACBgQCBggCBg/yCAACCAQCCAgCCA/yCg ACCgQCCggCCg/yDAACDAQCDAgCDA/yD/ACD/QCD/gCD//0AAAEAAQEAAgEAA/0AgAEAgQEAggEAg /0BAAEBAQEBAgEBA/0BgAEBgQEBggEBg/0CAAECAQECAgECA/0CgAECgQECggECg/0DAAEDAQEDA gEDA/0D/AED/QED/gED//2AAAGAAQGAAgGAA/2AgAGAgQGAggGAg/2BAAGBAQGBAgGBA/2BgAGBg QGBggGBg/2CAAGCAQGCAgGCA/2CgAGCgQGCggGCg/2DAAGDAQGDAgGDA/2D/AGD/QGD/gGD//4AA AIAAQIAAgIAA/4AgAIAgQIAggIAg/4BAAIBAQIBAgIBA/4BgAIBgQIBggIBg/4CAAICAQICAgICA /4CgAICgQICggICg/4DAAIDAQIDAgIDA/4D/AID/QID/gID//6AAAKAAQKAAgKAA/6AgAKAgQKAg gKAg/6BAAKBAQKBAgKBA/6BgAKBgQKBggKBg/6CAAKCAQKCAgKCA/6CgAKCgQKCggKCg/6DAAKDA QKDAgKDA/6D/AKD/QKD/gKD//8AAAMAAQMAAgMAA/8AgAMAgQMAggMAg/8BAAMBAQMBAgMBA/8Bg AMBgQMBggMBg/8CAAMCAQMCAgMCA/8CgAMCgQMCggMCg/8DAAMDAQMDAgMDA/8D/AMD/QMD/gMD/ //8AAP8AQP8AgP8A//8gAP8gQP8ggP8g//9AAP9AQP9AgP9A//9gAP9gQP9ggP9g//+AAP+AQP+A gP+A//+gAP+gQP+ggP+g///AAP/AQP/AgP/A////AP//QP//gP///yH5BAAAAAAALAAAAABGAcYA AAj/AP8JHEiwoMGDCBMqXMiwocOHECNKnEixosWLGDNq3Mixo8ePIEOKHEmypMmTKFOqXMmypcuX MGPKnEmzps2bOHPq3Mmzp8+fQIMKHUq0qNGjSJMqXcq0qdOnUKNKnUq1qtWrWLNq3cq1q9evYMOK HUu2rNmzaNOqXcv2JAAAAt/+e0u3Lly5EOHG1TvRLt2GeEviDWzQLky+bfvqleu37lzEDAMTjth4 8kHLIQdD3uvXJebEDjUX/PxQ8ubSkEkPVN1RdGHEf1myBp3Q9erUi+9iNsw49u3Tj0fDdrz3t+nH k4n/Jmj7dmHhw5Hjjq45tmHO1IHTZo4bu2/jujt7/7/c3bvrxuZNK78OWPv49HzZ8+58Xbx099uD c+fMX/jy4voFCN53x+lXoG/VAVhgZO4d6KBzyEFoYHwJRpjfQsnltp9/ACpo34DfYdehiAI2B2Jo FFonHmHVEbebihJOeCGDHLK42YITshejhfdpaN6IJqaHInhClphbfdPBCKSPM9ZWno2vxRgkhxsq WWFzU85GXpQCSsnkhv3ZBmWXTVLp4ZFcGhnmjWx2eB6FS64p55D/WRmdhVjCGaCKX5ZpZo7Kcdcb mDqCqJ6LRyJKqHyBMvgho4siOBySLeLoJ5ge8viabpiGaCh0nB4a3Jgk/kdZo5qSmmqSORqH6aV0 whcq61NazmorULXequuuvPbq66/ABivssP/EFmvsscgmq+yyzDbr7LPQRivttNRWa+212Gar7bbc duvtt+CGK+645JZr7rnopqvuuuy2VVm7PVYm77zyhgXABPjmiy965t6r778AByzwwBPgR5W/BOv7 YbcIJ+zww/nm2lTDEP+L6rUUV6yxwAY7lfHGFnP7McgkF4zVyCXvuy3KKWsssVEsp9xxszG3XPHM MNtMMM7K1qzzwzwL5XPLQR879M8Jv+zT0URjjDTSRe/EtM1RDzv10wNXfdPVVFfLNdYBK23T111P SzbYAGsd09R+yUzt2WhbrHZLVyf5lstmx4313CrVHRne0dIr+OBwm7w0yDMzzbesg2tUeMEGi4/k d2mA/y8LgD+YZ6455o2393PkmW1ctOLMXr756ahvzvPjoHvENkWk95z67KgHzXrrjotuUezImk77 7/6MzjpNr++ue+/AA1/17Wsff1HxxvqefOpaP2443c5jBD2x0k9/utrW455X9hnxzr33s899t85i P09+7hCL7y761JcPNUrbtxa/0fTXDj/7JpkcSHwmP7Z0r3/B20j4CrgaxEkOaPxDoOZatz6Hra+C EQvd+1wHwehJcIIctKC/MJjBj+TvVIRLYedmdcD+ya9mdIEcx0IIORKGbHcqzOG8btVC+hXQhgq7 GxBVpsCIjXBkfNOhEvnFwg9mjoFzydq9Ypi1/8lwZ//lW6IW25eWHqIPilEM2xSHSETtBXGIkdvi FnnoRM6R5GMXjFkSxUhC0KlRi2xsIxj3Ird9wdB4UlQYR+64xDw6cY8NLBkXbRjHEiqQkDo05AcR mUiXWaZe5EkbFa/3SEiqUJISpGQlgcYmKWYSi67z5Cdt5UXvifI2pBROLGU5QxOqMoWgROArmZO0 4YgON2HLzC0Jl0sX0g2NvFQkLY0ozGEKrpg+fAkj41O2SnpqkM58JivbmEBpVlAynxMUF1GTzR1u U48yiSE177ejZpbzXec8JPHAyc64uOWdmGRKasoXGm7uMjKjDGff8AnP9gDnLmvT0/P6iU6cWM+R +COZKBMxtJraJBRCkpqLdJZzzcL4MycPLWNEJVoohJzGOho9jEYRGp+UMqaiLU3cR7eWzYGS9GLP GQ1MUyrNlbr0LzGFqWNk2tCxmdCmN9XSjXb6z8v4FKH2DGpUdQqYmRrVdUhNKmBy+tS12dOnoyqO VMEaGavWBGdozepNQ7PTqTY1p4sRq1xbiqeOtXJ6bwXoVhOnVpKSs048/8XVIM1KvNIYNiVJxenB OlqRuyYvrxTFKmITO86zOFZ5Dj3qZCkLTVfqBHdNpWxlzXJZ2kHWUapciWhP67Gibg1soRVtZ/Eq tafRNYCyjWcoa1vP0ZIzsbN9LE+G10DfolarutWlQ9fpNliKdIC5baI8zzrFZJIsNXITyWqDi9mZ YNCXllymIKHL2eQaM53B5M4sf2PKVJZXupNEby3Vy7GTdhCb72Wca2UjRzZNlL19vCJoo6vf6WJv f7CD4xEhqj0Cw6q06fPMGVFWvYyps2HG3a55o6laDC84vbDT5BjTlsX8Pni/AdRk0hRi1z5ucrw4 NPGlIFw/xNIRiSxWau0Qa1jfGAN3w1+M6M5ezMnnQBVDHyZjkfW34mTR2H8pJiWMnerS0AhYjhpE JfIM/MAh+5HBVOVp4hxoQgvKjsvQJeU3D0sZxInvj05GMZOvm5cQk7mITd5yfLN8Z7baeYOKuW8E 95zK5ta5sdcF39FY65Unf6/Mhj50Y7kWNSWDeNC7nTOd+2K/PgNm03rOtOPOVj0r3syuX2N0Vxyt OjxHWiJ2VKaTmhZnNCOa1o0dpKzF62bLyflU1cy1rt3cNlyfmdB/fjXsaKg3ETqL1SC8tbF3Z8tm 55lmv2YQAB3HZ2tPGdu2/vS2ud1taxvqF8iebfO4yV3uuKmatNk+JdHe/EZzvxve4TapQCXbZbTd 27Lxtu60Bxll2/4b4Pmmb7BhFj5t3XWF+t63Ugp38C4SVOKK6eg/yXbu6Hl718L+apjxB2pwhbSe 1K5ohPg0VfLGr+LbOfm6fRzXlscUkcQsl8wHLuzbQnWs8CL5x29G8K9KFehBL/jQr81Po7cV6Umv 99KZ3nSjv6nmUVf61Emcda7sHNBdr8rXiR52r2+d62XXytgFnfaTnf3bbb/K2rUc96ystuN1z7ve 9873vvv974APvOAHT/jCG/7wiE+84hfP+MY7/vGQHo+85CdP+cpb/vKYz7zmN8/5znv+86APvehH T5OAAAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01BF7891.5A5E8C40-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 16:15:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA31713; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:15:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:15:15 -0800 Message-ID: <38AB3DBB.5332@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:15:55 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trohodon CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Urgent! References: <005901bf780c$2268d6e0$ee4cfc9e@computer> <38A9F946.5D8A@cyberportal.net> <000901bf7847$0560bbe0$5b3056c3@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MyqpW1.0.El7.Espgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13884 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Trohodon wrote: > > First, how do I subscribe at the Nu Energy List. http://nuenergy.listbot.com/ > > Second, for Bruce, you asked for feedback. I think you're a brave man. I've > experienced enough to realize the problems you must conquer. Furthermore, > feel with a good head and think with good heart. I hope you'll succeed and > therefore I wish you all the best. Thank you for your understanding. > > And for Big Brother, your playing days are over, now its time for Little > Brother to do things in the rightway!! We were watching you!! I like this attitude... -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 16:22:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA02202; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:21:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: <38AB3F40.2B1B@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:22:24 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The PDF Document References: <38AAA55B.F07FDA78@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wNW_w2.0.DY.Fypgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13885 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MARTIN WOLFF wrote: > > > > Many people will become exited when the truth is known. However, they > > may well be just as many that lose their excitement. There will also be > > others that may recent me. > > That's an interesting statement. If the unit 'pumps out the juice', who > would not be delighted? Yes, it is the most powerful energy source since the discovery of atomic power but is so simple that a few may get angry because it is too simple. Just you wait and see, mark these words. I am willing to say that there will be quite the storm once it is released and becomes public. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 16:29:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA05073; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:28:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:28:38 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:27:01 -0700 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net, avd@wirehub.nl, freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: Urgent! Resent-Message-ID: <"sJ20p.0.AF1.r2qgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13886 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com And - The President of the Institute for New Energy is watching ALL OF YOU! http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Go See: Read: Do: Report! Please, please, please... Let's get some device to work soon!!! Enough talk. PB. >Trohodon wrote: >> >> First, how do I subscribe at the Nu Energy List. > > >http://nuenergy.listbot.com/ > > >> >> Second, for Bruce, you asked for feedback. I think you're a brave man. I've >> experienced enough to realize the problems you must conquer. Furthermore, >> feel with a good head and think with good heart. I hope you'll succeed and >> therefore I wish you all the best. > > >Thank you for your understanding. > > >> >> And for Big Brother, your playing days are over, now its time for Little >> Brother to do things in the rightway!! We were watching you!! > > >I like this attitude... > > > -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 18:54:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA19638; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:54:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:54:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.20000216185656.21171b96@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:56:56 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, sft@imaginet.fr From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: almost free energy magnetic motor In-Reply-To: <200002162222.XAA07101@imaginet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hRopW3.0.jo4.SBsgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13887 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Albert and all, At 11:36 PM 02/16/00 +1, you wrote: > 3) To create an electric generator that could be an overunity > system , it seems that the following could apply : > > - A rotor made of several wires in order to get an active area S > - the rotor is fixed on an axis and is moved by a DC motor > - the rotor cut a magnetic field produced by permanent > magnet at a velocity omega given by the rotation of the DC motor . > > Since we have a periodical variation of flux in a constant >magnetic field , a current should be created in the rotor . > > Since : flux(t) = S.B cos(omega . t ) > > the potential created is : > > E = omega . S . B . sin (omega . t ) . 10^-8 ( Volts ) One doesn't require the 10^-8 if SI units for B (Tesla) are used. > > and intensity is : I = I(o).sin(omega . t - phi ) > > with tan (phi) = ( omega . L ) / R > > and I(o) = E(o) / ( (R^2 + omega^2.L^2 )^(1/2) ) > > with E(o) = omega . S . B . 10^-8 (Volts ) > > I(o) : maximum intensity > E(o) : maximum potential > > So if we increase the strength of the the magnetic field , we >should get a higher intensity . > The maximum power is given by : P(max) = E(o) . I(o) > > The power used to rotate the rotor is given by : > > P(in) = E(in) . I(in) > You can continue the analysis as you have done, something like this: Force on one of the 2 wires on the loop: F = I . B . L where L= length of the wire, opposite signs on each side. The torque on this wire is I . L . B . sin() . r and for both sides: Torque = 2 . L . r . I . B . sin() = S . I . B . sin(), (S=area = 2 . r . L) and the input power required = omega . torque = E . I P(out)/P(in) =100% -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 16 23:45:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA10350; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:45:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:45:12 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <27.1ebe662.25dd00e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:44:32 EST Subject: Re:To Hector and all/Test setup To: jlnlabs@egroups.com, energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"qs63t2.0.aX2.7Swgu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13888 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 2/16/00 7:34:53 AM Central Standard Time, arkresearch@hotmail.com writes: HI ! ? Hector Hector, Is this what you were looking for? Sorry, I forgot to attach it. Butch This is how I envision the test setup. 1) Upon movement of the movable ferro-fragment (either way), the flux through the coil will change and an electrical current will be induced in the coil in certain direction. 2) The induced current 1) flowing in the coil will generate a MMF that will oppose the change of flux through the coil. 3) When the switch is in the SENSE position, the coil is shorted and the ampmeter will indicate the direction of the induced current 1). 4) The current 3) in the coil will decay almost immediately because of the resistance of the coil and the rest of the circuit, but during this brief time the direction of the current will be observable on the ampmeter. 5) The MMF created by the coil in 2) can be simulated by switching the switch in SIMULATE position, and applying electrial current from an external power supply through the windings of the coil, IN THE SAME DIRECTION as indicated by the ampmeter in 3). 6) The artificialy generated MMF in 5) will manifest itself as a change in magneto/mechanical attraction of the movable ferrite-fragment. These changes will be easily observable. 7) The magneto/mechanical changes in 6), will be almost exacly as the ones caused by a shorted coil in 2). With the exception of magnitude and lack of decay, because of the energy continously delivered by the power supply. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 17 10:07:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA05344; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:06:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:06:49 -0800 Message-Id: <200002171756.SAA11259@imaginet.fr> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Albert CAU" Organization: sft To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:00:58 +1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: almost free energy magnetic motor Reply-to: sft@imaginet.fr Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"wUuiN.0.OJ1.uY3hu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello , First , I have to say that I have a background in sciences , including physics which is not my major . Mathemathics are very useful to precisely understand what is going on . Experiment is , of course , the unique way to check an idea , but to start with a mathemathical understanding of the problem avoids to spend money if we are wrong . In fact I used a 1905 book about electricity and machines to generate electricity . The e-mail equations ( given in the book ) applied to all machines producing alternative current . The design I was talking for the rotor is a rectangular area S . Maximum intensity is given by : I(o) = E(o) / ( (R^2 + omega^2.L^2 )^(1/2) ) since E(o) = omega . S . B I(o) = ( omega . S . B ) / ( (R^2 + omega^2.L^2 )^(1/2) ) I(o) = S . B / ( R^2/omega^2 + L^2 )^2 It means that intensity produced by the system does not depend on the velocity of the rotor . But potential depends on the velocity omega : E(o) = omega . S . B > > Increasing the velocity will increase P(in) because higher > > initial intensity will be require , so to get an overunity system , > > we may act on B , or S ( in that case R , and L will change ) > Increasing the linear or angular velocity of moving loop of conductor will NOT > increase the electrical energy induced in the conductor per rotation, but only > the speed at which the energy is produced. This is the difference between > energy and power. Rotation of the rotor is produced by a DC motor ; it could be wind , hand , ..... and why not electrostatic motor . The use of a DC motor is also a way to quantify the energy balance since it is easy to calculate the input energy to run the rotor and the ratio : P(out) / P(in) The DC motor get its current from a battery , but input of DC motor may be connected to the output of the sytem ( using a switch ) . So when I increase the angular velocity of the DC motor , I draw more current from the battery , but I get More volts out ( E(o) increase ) , so power increases linearly : P(o) = omega . ( S . B )^2 / ( R^2/omega^2 + L^2 )^2 > It seems to me that you totaly overlook the Lenz law which states that the > current induced in your moving loop of wire will produce its own magnetic flux > that will oppose the changes of flux (in your case: caused by the movement of > the loop) That's the property of alternative currents which are the result of induction law : as a consequency of what you say , the system is able to produce alternative current . It is not my opinion , but what happens using appropriate current collectors . I will do the experiment as soon I get big and strong intensity permanent magnets . Thanks for your help . Albert CAU sft@imaginet.fr Soft Fusion Technology http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/4786/index.html ou : http://www.geocities.com/albert_cau/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 17 11:27:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08108; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:27:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:27:26 -0800 Message-ID: <38AC4BBE.1A22@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:27:58 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Say What is On your Mind!" CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: He3,,,,I just saw a program on space flight where they proposed using,,,, References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QpxHQ.0.A-1.Pk4hu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13890 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com FMSTARK@aol.com wrote: > > all, i had always thought that the moon was going to mined, now it seems to > be only a matter of time/$$$, regards I pointed this out in my lecture last year. I showed a pretty nifty ten minute NASA video too. Do you know where the moon got it's helium-3 in the first place? The answer is tritium from the sun. Tritium decays to helium-3. How many people have over-looked this? -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 17 13:33:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA22818; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:32:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:32:56 -0800 Message-ID: <38AC6931.5A05@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:33:37 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Watch out... References: <38AC4A84.20A2@cyberportal.net> <38AC59F9.8B812D2F@origin.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"um-X13.0.Ra5.7a6hu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13891 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hansford wrote: > > Hi all > Maybe you need to review your release date and let the whole world sweat, > not just us! At least until we have a co-ordinated strategy for production > through to distribution and sales in place? Although if a patent is > registered then I guess that means every one can read it at the patents > office anyway? > Wondering? Provisional patents are not made available to the public by the patent office. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 17 13:57:39 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA30951; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:57:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:57:07 -0800 Message-ID: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:57:52 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jPSfP3.0.QZ7.ow6hu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13892 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Megajoules per Litre (MJ/L) Nu Power cell 1rst cycle = 93 MJ/L 2nd cycle = 8 MJ/L *Typical aluminum/air cell = 57 MJ/kg Megajoules per Kilogram (MJ/kg) Nu Power cell 1rst cycle = 55 MJ/kg 2nd cycle = 113 MJ/kg *Typical aluminum/air cell = 29 MJ/kg These are conservative estimations. -Bruce A. Perreault These figures are for the anode material. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 17 19:12:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA14497; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:12:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:12:21 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:11:44 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA14474 Resent-Message-ID: <"03c9n3.0.QY3.LYBhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13893 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:57:52 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: [snip] >*Typical aluminum/air cell = 57 MJ/kg [snip] >*Typical aluminum/air cell = 29 MJ/kg Which is it? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 17 20:51:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA12318; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:51:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:51:21 -0800 Message-ID: <38ACCFFB.2A4D@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:52:11 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZpTMK2.0.I03.8_Chu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13894 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:57:52 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > [snip] > >*Typical aluminum/air cell = 57 MJ/kg > [snip] > >*Typical aluminum/air cell = 29 MJ/kg > Which is it? 57 MJ/kg should read 57 MJ/L This was a typo. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 09:42:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA05093; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:41:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:41:34 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:41:16 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01bf7a37$5b27d3f0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"N6kMq.0.UF1.DHOhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13895 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, De Aquino's papers can be found at: http://www.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 Steve Burns -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:35 AM To: sburns@ironbridgenetworks.com Subject: Good News!!! System worked. Steve, Today January 27 , 2000 at 10:15 o'clock AM ( local time )the system-G worked. Practical problems are over at least.The apparatus worked well and the obtained experimental results confirmed my theoretical predictions. Fran De Aquino -----Mensagem original----- De: Steve Burns Data: Quinta-feira, 27 de Janeiro de 2000 11:58 Assunto: RE: Good News!!! System worked. Fran, Does this mean you obtained significant weight reduction? Steve -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:15 AM To: sburns@ironbridgenetworks.com Subject: En: Good News!!! System worked. Yes! The weight nullified, and after inverted.All according my mg equation. -----Mensagem original----- De: Steve Burns Data: Quinta-feira, 27 de Janeiro de 2000 12:33 Assunto: RE: Good News!!! System worked. Fran, I predict you will receive the Nobel prize faster than the high temperature superconductor guys. Congratulations and please keep me posted. Steve Thanks Steve. This experimental results are the conclusion of the research which I began 25 years ago.I am very , very happy.The experiment showed another important gravitational phenomenon ; when the total gravitational mass of the annealed iron was nullified, we verify the GRAVITATIONAL SHIELDING phenomenon . At this moment disappears the weight of everything that is inside of the annealed iron tube ( i.e., iron powder, antenna, etc.), the scale just indicates the weight of the steel tube which involves the one of annealed iron. Fran Fran, I believed in it. YOU HAVE A REASON TO BE HAPPY! Can the iron be made thinner and still shield? Also, I bet if you decreased frequency, the antigravity layer of the iron will cause the apparatus to levitate. Steve Steve Yes, the iron can be made thinner ( up to nearly one nanometer)and still shield because are the gravitational masses of their ATOMS ( diameter approx. one Angstron) that still nullified. The annealed iron tube is the gravitational shielding WHILE its gravitational still nulified.The experiment confirmed that everything inside it lose its weight under these conditions.If we decrease the frequency we reduce the power radiated by the antenna.This way , we must INCREASE the current to produce the apparatus levitation.In the experiment the system-G doesn't levitates because the maximun current was 300 A. It was necessary nearly 400A.We will try to reach this in a future experiment. In attachment the archives named "New apparatus1" and "New apparatus2" that contains all about the experiment carried out today.If you want , you can try to carry out this experiment it is easy and not expensive. Fran From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 12:52:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA06385; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:50:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:50:58 -0800 Message-ID: <38ADB0CB.717@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:51:23 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AD81F8.2D2D0791@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FZMQp.0.aZ1.l2Rhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13896 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MARTIN WOLFF wrote: > > On 19th December, you stated Year 2000 Product (included below). Is the Nu > Power cell item 3 or the backburner item? The Nu Power Cell will use the same chemistry in its manufacture. It is a hybred. -BAP > > Product List: > > 1. Transducer to hear the sounds of the Cosmos > > 2. Star-mode electrodes and holder > > 3. 25 watt hour per cubic cm. super-cell... > 1kg = 7,000 watts for one hour. > > 4. Tesla Patent CD-ROM & Moray Research CD-ROM > > 5. Nu Millennium Power Cords > (this product will be explained in more detail next > year) > > 6. Radiant Energy the Holy Grail Booklet > > 7. Rare Research Data > > * Backburner -> Radiant Energy Receiver > (non-radioactive) > This device will not be offered until > it is fully validated. Two or three > outside > Engineers, or Scientists will be asked > to > provide a complete professional > report. > > > > > > > Megajoules per Litre (MJ/L) > > > > Nu Power cell > > > > 1rst cycle = 93 MJ/L > > 2nd cycle = 8 MJ/L > > > > *Typical aluminum/air cell = 57 MJ/L > > > > Megajoules per Kilogram (MJ/kg) > > > > Nu Power cell > > > > 1rst cycle = 55 MJ/kg > > 2nd cycle = 113 MJ/kg > > > > *Typical aluminum/air cell = 29 MJ/kg > > > > > > These are conservative estimations. > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > > > > These figures are for the anode material. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > Unlike any Steaks you've ever tasted...Filet Mignons from Omaha > > Steaks! No "supermarket" steak can equal the perfect taste and > > tenderness of a Filet Mignon from Omaha Steaks. Now order 4 (5oz.) > > Filet Mignon for $29.99 and receive a free gift! > > http://www.listbot.com/links/omaha2 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > Unlike any Steaks you've ever tasted...Filet Mignons from Omaha > Steaks! No "supermarket" steak can equal the perfect taste and > tenderness of a Filet Mignon from Omaha Steaks. Now order 4 (5oz.) > Filet Mignon for $29.99 and receive a free gift! > http://www.listbot.com/links/omaha2 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 13:07:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12112; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:06:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:06:57 -0800 Message-ID: <006101bf7a53$c9254380$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> From: "skot" To: Subject: Re: almost free energy magnetic motor Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:04:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01BF7A10.BA95AD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"iHLN1.0.9z2.mHRhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13897 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BF7A10.BA95AD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The rotor is non ferrous where it is white and ferrous where it is blue. As the rotor spins it switches between putting the two halves in a series loop and shorting the two halves separately. With shorting/redirecting the flux instead of pulling away from it, it may be overunity. Hopefully the rotor torque will be non-perportional with the electrical load. The coil on the right should see strong flux then almost no flux to produce AC output. Here the verbage from my original post: "Here's an idea which sprang directly from a design Butch sent me. Start by visualizing the generator without the rotor in place. The distances between the four tips are the same. Each tip has the opposite polarity on either side. ( With the coil reacting with a load. ) You have all this flux wanting to go to both neighbors ( ajacent tips ) but restricted by like sized air gaps. It doesn't care which neighbor it goes to. With a slight prodding one way it will go to one neighbor, with the prodding to other way it goes to the other neighbor. Since the flux doesn't really have a preferance as to which side it goes to, it should take very little torque for the rotor to direct it. Because this is such a simple design I think I may even be able to scrounge up the stuff to build one." I got it half built now but found that the steel strips I used have too low of magnetic permeability. I have to build new arms with mild steel or soft iron. I just bought bearings and drill bits to mount them in the wood. scottb -----Original Message----- From: marty s. To: skot@fastbid.cc Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: Re: almost free energy magnetic motor >Interesting design but could take the time to explain the "rotor" design? >Just a straight through conductor? Is there a site with more information on >this design? > >Thanks..... Marty > > > >>This is the design I'm working on testing right now. It is >>simular to an idea Butch showed me. 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Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c5LEN2.0.TK4.9TRhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13898 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dennis Turner wrote: > > Now you're talking.... > > Questions: > > 1. Can you explain "1rst cycle/2nd cycle?" The first cycle runs when the cell actually burns oxygen as its fuel. Once a cell runs down it can be recharged with hydrogen. During this second cycle the current obtained from the cell reverses. You are actually getting electrical current out during the recharge cycle! The calculations below reflect the life of each cycle. > > 2. 1 MJ = .278 kWh = 948.41 BTU? 1 Megajoule is equivalent to 1 Megawatts, total power. > > 3. At what rate can this energy be drawn? Instant... however, this is not advised as an explosion could be possible. Testing in this area on a large scale needs to be done to confirm this. > > 4. What happens with a radioactive boost? The radiation is converted directly into electrical current with extreme efficiency. You will understand this better reading the abstract in the provisional patent. More Calculations Kilowatts Hours per Kilogram (KWH/kg) 1rst cycle = 15 KWH/kg 2nd cycle = 31 KWH/kg *Typical aluminum/air = 8 KWH/kg Kilowatts Hours per Litre (KWH/L) 1rst cycle = 25 KWH/L 2nd cycle = 2 KWH/L *Typical aluminum/air = 15 KWH/L You can see that this is several times greater than what Moray claimed. Moray claimed 1 kilowatt per pound of material. -Bruce A. Perreault > > "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > > > Megajoules per Litre (MJ/L) > > > > Nu Power cell > > > > 1rst cycle = 93 MJ/L > > 2nd cycle = 8 MJ/L > > > > *Typical aluminum/air cell = 57 MJ/kg > > > > Megajoules per Kilogram (MJ/kg) > > > > Nu Power cell > > > > 1rst cycle = 55 MJ/kg > > 2nd cycle = 113 MJ/kg > > > > *Typical aluminum/air cell = 29 MJ/kg > > > > > > These are conservative estimations. > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > > > > These figures are for the anode material. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > Unlike any Steaks you've ever tasted...Filet Mignons from Omaha > > Steaks! No "supermarket" steak can equal the perfect taste and > > tenderness of a Filet Mignon from Omaha Steaks. Now order 4 (5oz.) > > Filet Mignon for $29.99 and receive a free gift! > > http://www.listbot.com/links/omaha2 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to nuenergy-unsubscribe@listbot.com > Unlike any Steaks you've ever tasted...Filet Mignons from Omaha > Steaks! No "supermarket" steak can equal the perfect taste and > tenderness of a Filet Mignon from Omaha Steaks. Now order 4 (5oz.) > Filet Mignon for $29.99 and receive a free gift! > http://www.listbot.com/links/omaha2 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 13:20:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA17902; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:19:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <007d01bf7a55$84854ac0$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> From: "skot" To: Subject: Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:17:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"6fNA01.0.YN4.jTRhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13899 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ahhhh! The first link is broken already, what was on it? scottb -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burns To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 2:43 AM Subject: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved >All, >De Aquino's papers can be found at: >http://www.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ >http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 >Steve Burns > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 13:59:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA00843; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:58:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:58:48 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:58:10 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3qfraskloqftl30ef1dqcmri2qbsb0la8q@4ax.com> References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA00821 Resent-Message-ID: <"t8Ir3.0.4D.O2Shu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13900 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:19:46 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: [snip] >> 2. 1 MJ = .278 kWh = 948.41 BTU? Correct. > > >1 Megajoule is equivalent to 1 Megawatts, total power. Wrong. 1 MJ = 1 MW for one second. 1 MW = 1 MJ / sec. > > >> >> 3. At what rate can this energy be drawn? > > >Instant... however, this is not advised as an explosion >could be possible. Testing in this area on a large scale >needs to be done to confirm this. > > >> >> 4. What happens with a radioactive boost? > > >The radiation is converted directly into electrical current >with extreme efficiency. You will understand this better >reading the abstract in the provisional patent. Once the provisional patent is received, is the invention protected? I.e. can the content be made public? (As a prior claim is obviously established). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 14:11:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04644; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:10:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:10:35 -0800 Message-ID: <003401bf7a5c$ee2efd20$735cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: References: <006d01bf7a37$5b27d3f0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Subject: Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:09:42 -0500 Organization: Unconventional Conventionalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"CRnWX2.0.T81.RDShu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13901 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > All, > De Aquino's papers can be found at: > http://www.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ > http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 The first page is no longer there. Has he put it up anywhere else? -- "I'd rather have my country die for me." --Grace Slick, 'rejoyce' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 14:28:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA11416; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:27:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:27:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003401bf7a5c$ee2efd20$735cadd1@default> References: <006d01bf7a37$5b27d3f0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> <003401bf7a5c$ee2efd20$735cadd1@default> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:27:03 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"lXBtA1.0.Go2.fTShu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13902 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I don't understand Portuguese, but the message I got on that link looked like the page was no longer with that ISP/Host. The other one works, but I don't understand the math. I'm hoping another page with detailed apparatus plans & diagrams will show up. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI > > All, > > De Aquino's papers can be found at: > > http://www.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ > > http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 > >The first page is no longer there. Has he put it up anywhere else? > >-- >"I'd rather have my country die for me." --Grace Slick, 'rejoyce' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 15:34:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA03619; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:33:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:33:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf7a2c$4d147800$ca7156c3@default> From: "Trohodon" To: "Freengr List" , "Patrick Bailey" References: Subject: Re: Urgent! Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:26:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"cWxxJ.0.Ku.PRThu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13903 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi mister President!! ;-)) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 17:30:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12453; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:29:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200002190129.UAA12277@fh105.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: Subject: Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:25:28 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pfvT11.0.M23.I8Vhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13904 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > I don't understand Portuguese, but the message I got on that link > looked like the page was no longer with that ISP/Host. The other one > works, but I don't understand the math. > > I'm hoping another page with detailed apparatus plans & diagrams will show up. > Here's what I know from the papers about this I have read on the various Egroups lists where this was announced: 220VAC 11.5kVA line current (60Hz) is fed to a transformer, composed of a core of 10 inch diameter 1040 steel rod, the primary being fed the 220VAC and composed of 12 turns of 6AWG copper house wire. The secondary is 2 turns of 1/2" diameter copper rod insulated with clear Krylon paint. The output from the secondary is 34.8VAC 300A. This is fed to the actual apparatus which is described as follows: Two 10m (or 5m, for total of 10m?) lengths of 1/2" diameter paint insulated copper rods are wound into square-spiral forms, ~340mm by 343mm, with the leftmost coil (facing device from top) being wound counterclockwise, and the other clockwise. The center leads on the spirals are not electrically connected to anything (they are insulated). The two free ends of the copper rod (one for each spiral) are attached to the secondary of the above transformer. This setup is supposed to be a dipole antenna. This dipole is placed within a rectangular tube of annealed pure iron, thickness 0.6mm, which is filled with iron powder. This is then placed within an aluminum box, put on a scale and weighed. When current is applied, it is claimed to lose almost all of its weight. I don't know what to make of it. Much data on tests, type of scale, etc., is lacking. Thoughts??? --Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 18:06:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA25178; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:06:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:06:34 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:05:56 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <200002190129.UAA12277@fh105.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <200002190129.UAA12277@fh105.infi.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA24968 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kvb4f.0.J96.fgVhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13905 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:25:28 -0600, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: >> I don't understand Portuguese, but the message I got on that link >> looked like the page was no longer with that ISP/Host. The other one >> works, but I don't understand the math. If you look at the bottom of the one with all the math, there is a diagram. [snip] >I don't know what to make of it. Much data on tests, type of scale, etc., >is lacking. Thoughts??? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 19:19:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15981; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:18:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:18:14 -0800 Message-ID: <38AE0B9E.3D92@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:18:54 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> <3qfraskloqftl30ef1dqcmri2qbsb0la8q@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HWbi42.0.cv3.qjWhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13906 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > > 2. 1 MJ = .278 kWh = 948.41 BTU? > > Correct. > > > > > > 1 Megajoule is equivalent to 1 Megawatts, total power. > > Wrong. 1 MJ = 1 MW for one second. > 1 MW = 1 MJ / sec. It is right and it is wrong... it is the total amount of power released in one second. > > Once the provisional patent is received, is the invention protected? I.e. > can the content be made public? (As a prior claim is obviously established). Once the application is received in the mail-room at the patent office it is date stamped. It becomes effective as soon as it is stamped. It is "patent pending" effective once it is received and stamped in the mail-room. You then have one year to apply for a non-provisional patent. This is where the patent examiners get involved. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 19:26:28 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA20331; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:26:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:26:08 -0800 Message-ID: <38AE0D77.3779@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:26:47 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla's Electric Car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oZ_ZY2.0.az4.FrWhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13907 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > I remembered the other day the report of Tesla and the car which was powered > by a box 24" X 12" X 8" box that he had assembled in his hotel room. Did > this use the same type of power as is generation by your cell or was it > something different. I was thinking this myself just last night. It is quite possible that Tesla used the same principle in his primary batteries that powered his Pierce Arrow. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 19:33:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24190; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:33:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:33:22 -0800 Message-ID: <38AE0F2D.6BD@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:34:05 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> <38ADCC7E.5DCE3300@origin.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o8hKB3.0.pv5.2yWhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13908 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hansford wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > What is the actual output from the unit? I am assuming it i in the form of > D.C Current ad then has to be connected to an inverter to get back to A.C. > if the output is D.C. It is D.C. > > Is it at a stable voltage such as 12 volt or 120 volt or whatever? > I am thinking about the additional equipment that might be needed to > get it all operational! It is highly stable. It may be best to stack them to output 130 volts. I have found that 130 volts dc. will run 60Hz. power tools. No invertor is needed! -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 19:48:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA30248; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:48:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:48:30 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:47:52 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> <3qfraskloqftl30ef1dqcmri2qbsb0la8q@4ax.com> <38AE0B9E.3D92@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38AE0B9E.3D92@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA30202 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y6n3k2.0.XO7.EAXhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13909 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:18:54 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: [snip] >> > 1 Megajoule is equivalent to 1 Megawatts, total power. >> >> Wrong. 1 MJ = 1 MW for one second. >> 1 MW = 1 MJ / sec. > > >It is right and it is wrong... it is the total amount of >power released in one second. I think you are trying to say the total amount of *energy* released in one second. Energy is not power. Power is a *rate* of energy delivery. The watt is the unit of power, whereas the joule (1 watt for 1 sec.) is the unit of energy. I'm sure you know this, but I write it anyway, for the sake of others who may be confused. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 19:51:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA31564; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:51:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:51:06 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:50:30 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> <38ADCC7E.5DCE3300@origin.net.au> <38AE0F2D.6BD@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38AE0F2D.6BD@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA31453 Resent-Message-ID: <"0KbaD1.0.5j7.fCXhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13910 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:34:05 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: [snip] >> Is it at a stable voltage such as 12 volt or 120 volt or whatever? >> I am thinking about the additional equipment that might be needed to >> get it all operational! > > >It is highly stable. It may be best to stack them to output 130 volts. >I have found that 130 volts dc. will run 60Hz. power tools. No invertor >is needed! [snip] True, some small motors run equally well on DC as on AC. BTW you still didn't mention the actual voltage delivered by a single cell. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 19:53:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA00505; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:53:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:53:14 -0800 Message-ID: <20000219035307.3003.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 18 Feb 00 22:53:07 EST From: Horace To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.0.33) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----NetAddressPart-00--=_sD2H1232S92114a19d2" Resent-Message-ID: <"obOZH.0.J7.fEXhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_sD2H1232S92114a19d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't visualize the spirals as drawn on = http://xxx.lanl.gov/html/gr-qc/9910036 (see attached drawing) First of all on the drawing the spirals are round and you are writing tha= t they are square. Second, on the drawing the spiral has 3 turns on the sa= me axis and on the other drawing there are six non-concentric circles around= a black circle (dielectric ring), what the hell...? If anyone who understands this construction draws the spirals in 3D, he w= ill get a lot of kudos... Horace "Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: > Two 10m (or 5m, for total of 10m?) lengths of 1/2" diameter paint insul= ated > copper rods are wound into square-spiral forms, ~340mm by 343mm, with t= he > leftmost coil (facing device from top) being wound counterclockwise, an= d > the other clockwise. The center leads on the spirals are not electrical= ly > connected to anything (they are insulated). The two free ends of the co= pper > rod (one for each spiral) are attached to the secondary of the above > transformer. This setup is supposed to be a dipole antenna. This dipole= is > placed within a rectangular tube of annealed pure iron, thickness 0.6mm= , > which is filled with iron powder. This is then placed within an aluminu= m > box, put on a scale and weighed. When current is applied, it is claimed= to > lose almost all of its weight. = > = > I don't know what to make of it. Much data on tests, type of scale, etc= =2E, > is lacking. Thoughts??? > = > --Kyle R. 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lea_casey@yahoo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: [EWAR] Solar Max: GAS CLOUD FROM SUN THREATENS EARTH SATELLITES] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------18535721CFB5FD8B654AC7EC" Resent-Message-ID: <"xitoV.0.jc.XeYhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13912 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18535721CFB5FD8B654AC7EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------18535721CFB5FD8B654AC7EC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from outmta009.topica.com ([206.132.75.221]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000218221803.KTUQ14806.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@outmta009.topica.com> for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:18:03 -0700 To: earthcng@earthlink.net, Phikent@aol.com, ewar@topica.com, earthprophecy-l@spiritweb.org, CTRL@listserv.aol.com, iufo@world.std.com, mc@topica.com, hdgec@listhost.ciesin.org From: ecotoday@aol.com Subject: [EWAR] Solar Max: GAS CLOUD FROM SUN THREATENS EARTH SATELLITES Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:17:58 -0800 Message-ID: <0.1300005631.26343217-951758591-950912278@topica.com> Reply-To: ecotoday@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: 1300005631 GAS CLOUD FROM SUN THREATENS EARTH SATELLITES Fri Feb 18 2000 18:41:11 UTC [UK Press Association] -- A massive cloud of hot electrically charged gas spewed out by the Sun appears to be hurtling towards the Earth, threatening communication satellites and power grid systems, it was disclosed today. The solar eruption, or Coronal Mass Ejection, was spotted by the Sun observation spacecraft Soho yesterday. Billowing away from the Sun at up to 2,000 kilometres per second, the plasma cloud weighing as much as 10 billion tons is expected to reach the Earth some time in the next two days. Fortunately the mass is spread out across a huge area. When it arrives communication satellites could be knocked out of action, power grids on Earth overloaded and dazzling aurora displays appear in the sky across the whole of Britain. Ahead of the CME will be a bow-wave of fast-moving charged atomic particles, mainly electrons and protons, that can damage sensitive equipment and pose a hazard for space-walking astronauts. As the cloud envelopes the Earth it is likely to kick up a geomagnetic storm - a major disturbance of the Earth's magnetic field. Large geomagnetic storms have in the past knocked out communication satellites and caused power surges which threaten electricity supplies on Earth. In March 1989 the whole of Quebec's hydro-electric system collapsed, cutting off six million people, because of a power surge overload caused by a geomagnetic storm triggered by a solar eruption. Three years ago a Coronal Mass Ejection was blamed for the loss of Telstar 401, a TV communication satellite. The satellite was beaming an episode of Star Trek to viewers in the US when it suddenly stopped working, never to recover. Yesterday's mass ejection event accompanied one of two medium-sized solar flares - bright outbursts of atomic particles and X-rays - that erupted from sunspot groups near the middle of the Sun's face. It was spotted by an instrument aboard the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (Soho) as an expanding halo around the Sun. Solar expert Dr Richard Harrison, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Didcot, Oxfordshire, said: "The cloud can be seen expanding beyond the Sun's disc. It could either be coming towards us, or going away from us. But given the flare activity on the part of the Sun facing us, it's very, very likely that the mass ejection is heading towards the Earth. "This thing is basically a cloud of gas carrying its own magnetic field. The Earth has a magnetic field, and as anyone knows when you bring two magnets together you expect to see an effect. "It can give the Earth's magnetic field quite a kick, even at ground level. You won't notice it, but it can overload electrical systems. In addition there's a shock wave of accelerated atomic particles which can threaten satellites. "All you need are a few energetic particles to zap your computer and you have problems. To be honest there's not much satellite operators can do about it." He said that when the CME reached the Earth one effect could be magnificent auroras. The Northern Lights, or Aurora Borealis, which is normally only seen in extremely northerly latitudes, may be visible the whole length of Britain. Auroras are caused by atomic particles streaming towards the Earth's magnetic poles and bombarding gases in the atmosphere. They produce curtains and bands of light in the sky, usually green in colour, but often glowing blue or red. "When there's a big event like this you might even be able to see an aurora down here," said Dr Harrison. "It's well worth looking out for." Solar activity follows an 11-year cycle which will peak later this year, making it likely that more flares and mass ejections will occur. Both the flares seen yesterday were associated with disappearing solar filaments, magnetic field loops with hot gas trapped inside that appear and vanish in just a few minutes or hours. A disappearing solar filament is a sign that big changes are taking place in the Sun's local magnetic field, and is an indicator for mass ejections. Dr Harrison said: "Unfortunately it's still very difficult to predict these events. It's not like weather forecasting. As we become more and more dependent on satellites this is going to be a problem." A Nasa mission called Stereo - for which scientists at Birmingham University have supplied instruments - is due to launch a pair of spacecraft in 2004 to observe the Sun from two different angles. This will give scientists a much better idea of in what direction a Coronal Mass Ejection is heading. Post to: ewar@topica.com. Unsubscribe to: ewar-unsubscribe@topica.com. List info: www.topica.com/lists/ewar _____________________________________________________________ Who will win the Oscars? Spout off on our Entertainment list! http://www.topica.com/lists/showbiztalk --------------18535721CFB5FD8B654AC7EC-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 18 21:30:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA03021; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:29:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200002190529.AAA13200@fh105.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: Subject: Re: [Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:25:27 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4OPB31.0.6l.HfYhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13913 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > First of all on the drawing the spirals are round and you are writing that > they are square. Second, on the drawing the spiral has 3 turns on the same > axis and on the other drawing there are six non-concentric circles around a > black circle (dielectric ring), what the hell...? This isn't the design I saw. I know what the design in the drawing you posted is getting at, so to speak, but don't know particularly much about it. I.E., was this design tested? If so, what were the results? As far as I know, the design I posted was the one that De Aquino tested. --Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 07:16:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA02955; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:15:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:15:37 -0800 Message-ID: <38AF31BF.A3DCB5B8@wisemansbrand.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:13:51 -0800 From: Gerard Nefkens Organization: - X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, deaquino@elo.com.br Subject: Re: PLEASE HIDE MR AQUINO, AND WE ""M I R R O R"" by the tousands. Was: ! -Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved References: <200002190129.UAA12277@fh105.infi.net> <38AF2C39.AD612C53@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xIc0i2.0.qj.OEhhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13914 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gerard Nefkens a écrit : > > Congratulations Mr Aquino > You did it ! > > Now please survive. > You can only do that by being massively > mirrored on the web. > > So please, give everybody who owns > a website ( however unsignificant > its web_subject is, even if it's only for children) > permission to mirror > everything you want to say. > > Gerard Nefkens > > "Kyle R. Mcallister" a écrit : > > > > > > I don't understand Portuguese, but the message I got on that link > > > looked like the page was no longer with that ISP/Host. The other one > > > works, but I don't understand the math. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:11:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA26556; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:10:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:10:14 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEF8CD.19EC@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:10:53 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rex Doane CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Getting Started References: <002c01bf772a$ee8b46a0$1b29fc3e@puma> <3.0.5.32.20000215181615.008007f0@pop.ihug.co.nz> <38A95645.E6D725F0@globalcrossing.com> <00be01bf77eb$10d0c300$5b04f9d1@multipath> <016801bf7b05$714eb620$7205f9d1@multipath> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X7gJt.0.rU6.bYlhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13915 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rex Doane wrote: > > Bruce, does your current configuration still require the high voltage > supply? Yes... you have seen the patent. Why do you ask this? > > If so, I would like get started immediately constructing this supply for my > own experiments. Would the preferred circuit be the same as published in > "The Holy Grail"?? No... that is a weak circuit. That circuit was designed so that nobody could compain that their circuit was being shown in the booklet. It is much better to use the circuit that Information Unlimited has provided. The high-voltage supply is not the invention. Any number of high-voltage subpplies can be used. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:20:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29467; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:19:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:19:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEFB10.74EE@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:20:32 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Two Cycle. References: <38AEED29.B9D8633A@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ER5yT1.0.KC7.ghlhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13916 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Martin & Sharon Wolff wrote: > > Is the whole cell in either one cycle or the other or are both > happening at once? For some reason I keep thinking of the > water softener cycle. Yoy do not have to use the second cycle... it is just a way to recyle the cell. You can even use both cycles at once as in a fuel-cell configuration. > > If it the first, is there a means that the main chemicals move from one > place to another or are we talking membrane diffusion. The electrolyte, anode, and cathode to not react. The electrolyte is only an ion conductor. The anode and cathode provide the potential. The energy mechanism Moray called "dissociation." Electrons are released during this oxydation process. -BAP > > Martin. > > >The first cycle runs when the cell actually > >burns oxygen as its fuel. Once a cell runs down > >it can be recharged with hydrogen. During this second > >cycle the current obtained from the cell reverses. > >You are actually getting electrical current out during > >the recharge cycle! The calculations below reflect the > >life of each cycle. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:24:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA31081; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:24:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:24:06 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:24:33 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Gondert CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell power MJoules? References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EIiRW3.0.Vb7.Yllhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13917 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ted Gondert wrote: > > But what does rating in MJ per Kilogram or Liter mean? Is that the > amount of fuel used or the size of the fuel cell? What is the fuel used > by your fuel cell? It is the amount of energy available for a given mass and area. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:26:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA32175; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:25:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:25:27 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEFC5E.5D90@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:26:06 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patrick tremblay Subject: Re: Power calculations on my fuel-cells (without radioactive material) References: <38AC6EE0.7412@cyberportal.net> <38AC894C.74CE414B@flex.com> <38ADB772.5D9@cyberportal.net> <3qfraskloqftl30ef1dqcmri2qbsb0la8q@4ax.com> <38AE0B9E.3D92@cyberportal.net> <38AEAC90.71DD5738@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WlNqQ2.0.ds7.smlhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13918 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > could your device be made scaled down? Yes... it can be real small using radioactive material. > > that is could it be made small enough to power a watch or a device even smaller? Yes. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:30:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA03736; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:30:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:30:38 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEFD95.65@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:31:17 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A few questions about Moray's device References: <013c01bf7af2$06726da0$7205f9d1@multipath> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EhlEU3.0.Ew.jrlhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13919 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com List Member wrote: > > >From an article about Moray > > "As many as 100 persons have witnessed radiant energy > demonstrations. Radiant energy, as it emerges from the Moray > apparatus, may be considered a form of electricity. It is an > alternating current, but an alternating current of very high > frequency or cyclage. > > This current will light ordinary incandescent light bulbs. The light which > comes from these bulbs is called "pure white on the blue side, not on the > yellow side as light given off when the same bulbs are lighted with > commercial currents." > > This light possesses high actinic qualities, which means it affects > photographic films quickly and powerfully. Photographers who have exposed > films in this light have found they are forced to "stop way down" to > prevent over exposure. > > Some persons who have seen radiant energy power lights say the bulbs look > as if they were filled entirely with white light, as if the gas itself > which fill the bulbs were fully incandescent. Moray believes this to be > true. > > Radiant energy will heat electric flat irons and other electrical > heating devices. It is claimed heating capacities are reached much more > quickly with radiant energy than with commercial currents, and are > considerably hotter than when powered with ordinary electric energy. > > The high frequency of radiant energy is responsible for this. Moray SAYS > HE HAS LEARNED THE EXACT FREQUENCY OF RADIANT ENERGY but he will not > disclose it. Further, he says voltmeters and ammeters used to measure > commercial alternating currents will not measure radiant energy." > =============================================== > > Bruce, does your device appear to be frequency related or frequency > dependant? In one mode yes... when using an antenna & earth ground in conjunction with an ion pump configuration. > > Have you noticed unusual lighting effects as noted in this > article? Yes, I have seen this using the high-voltage feed to the cells. > > Do you know what he is referring to by "the exact frequency of > radiant energy?" Yes... I sure do. :) -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:38:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA06121; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:37:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:37:49 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEFF43.7DC6@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:38:27 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla's Electric Car References: <20000219060156.9270.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WLLAI2.0.YV1.Sylhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13920 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com List Member wrote: > > The trunk of his Pierce Arrow was full of batteries... The little black box > was an inverter to drive his AC motor... The reason it was so impressive was > that teslas AC motor was more efficient than any DC motor of that time... > And yes they had several electric cars at that time... Sorry, no magic > here... The trunk contained enough spare-parts to run the car for one year. You could go 300 miles before the batteries had to be attended to. Tesla's car was a Pierce Arrow... these cars are heavy... yet it had a top speed of around 90 miles per hour! No "magic?" How come electrical engineers today can not build an electrica car that comes close to Tesla's car? Oh yeh... I forgot to mention the fluid transmission that was in Tesla's car. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 12:47:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09278; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:46:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:46:56 -0800 Message-ID: <38AF016C.5173@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:47:40 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons Subject: Re: 60Hz power will be needed References: <3.0.32.20000219104612.0098cdc0@mail.jps.net> <38AEF9FA.6A20@cyberportal.net> <38AF011B.79635A0E@plix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_G1XC3.0.tG2._4mhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13921 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave Squires wrote: > > Bruce, > So the inverter Whizard mentioned is really your design? No. > > I haven't look at it yet. Did they steal it from you? It was the Perreault valve with the iron pyrite that they lifted without giving me credit. I guess it is just water under the bridge now. > > Is it something I could use with a DC output self-powered > generator? I will have one in the near future it looks like. > I will announce it only when it really is proven. All I am saying is be careful... these guys haven't proved themselves yet. Nobody really knows who they are. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 16:30:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA24906; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:29:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38AF1BDA.B745866E@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:40:26 -0800 From: eks1 Reply-To: eks1@earthlink.net Organization: Systems Research Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla's Electric Car References: <20000219060156.9270.qmail@hotmail.com> <38AEFF43.7DC6@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1vp3n1.0.z46.0Mphu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13922 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > > > Oh yeh... I forgot to mention the fluid > transmission that was in Tesla's car. > > -Bruce A. Perreault Fluid clutch really...just another example of the uses that the Tesla turbine concept can provide. The car had (according to the NY Times reports) "the gasoline engine replaced with an electric motor coupled to the transmission using a novel form of the Tesla turbine as an automatic clutch" -- --- "When it comes to paradigms, you must shift for yourself!" - Anon |-----------------------| | Systems Research Ltd. |------->"Any real-world system is more.. |-----------------------| ..than the mere sum of it's parts!" Erik K. Sorgatz (KB6LUY) http://home.earthlink.net/~eks1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 19 22:43:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA25051; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:42:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:42:32 -0800 From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: RE: Urgent! Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"isGTQ2.0.K76.Opuhu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13923 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Patrick, Not to denigrate the fine people who contribute to lists, but obviously those who are busy trying to build your device are too busy for endless list chatter. Fred > > > Please, please, please... > > Let's get some device to work soon!!! > > Enough talk. > > PB. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 08:57:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA17359; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:57:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:57:02 -0800 Message-ID: <38B01D10.70F7@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:57:52 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy Flytch CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Tesla's Electric Car References: <20000220045113.24946.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dNVdS.0.4F4.Tp1iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13924 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Timothy Flytch wrote: > > >The trunk contained enough spare-parts to run the car for one year. > >You could go 300 miles before the batteries had to be attended to. > >Tesla's car was a Pierce Arrow... these cars are heavy... yet it > >had a top speed of around 90 miles per hour! No "magic?" How come > >electrical engineers today can not build an electrica car that comes > >close to Tesla's car? Oh yeh... I forgot to mention the fluid > >transmission that was in Tesla's car. > > > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > Pure speculation... Tesla was famous for making projections that he could > not prove... > where is the car now??? what happened to it after Tesla's brief road test??? > Timothy... No Tim... I got my information from Tesla's last living assistant back in 1986 before he passed away. The car even had a "radio phone" that Tesla used to communicate from the Falls to Quebec, Canada. The car is rumored to be in a Museum in Baffalo, New York. I have not had the time to check out this lead. There are many other leads that I will follow once I get the time and the money. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 10:20:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07306; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:20:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:20:25 -0800 Message-ID: <38B0309F.2D9E@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:21:19 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Getting Started References: <002c01bf772a$ee8b46a0$1b29fc3e@puma> <3.0.5.32.20000215181615.008007f0@pop.ihug.co.nz> <38A95645.E6D725F0@globalcrossing.com> <00be01bf77eb$10d0c300$5b04f9d1@multipath> <016801bf7b05$714eb620$7205f9d1@multipath> <38AEF8CD.19EC@cyberportal.net > <019101bf7b1d$df3dcaa0$7205f9d1@multipath> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XX-KX3.0.3o1.f13iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13925 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rex Doane wrote: > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > > Rex Doane wrote: > > > > > > Bruce, does your current configuration still require the high voltage > > > supply? > > > > > > Yes... you have seen the patent. Why do you ask this? > > It's not clear on the specific configuration and there are no construction > details -- we need an exact diagram of what you recommend, together with a > parts list or everyone will be doing something different. If we're not all > using the same support circuitry, we won't be able to compare notes. A patent is not construction plans. I really do not want to sell kits or plans. From past experience this is too much trouble. The prime objective is to make a product available. Circuitry and full construction details must be made available on a one to one basis to those who want to manufacture the product. Why would distributors need these details? > > > > > > > > > > > If so, I would like get started immediately constructing this supply for > my > > > own experiments. Would the preferred circuit be the same as published > in > > > "The Holy Grail"?? > > > > > > No... that is a weak circuit. That circuit was designed so that nobody > > could compain that their circuit was being shown in the booklet. It is > > much better to use the circuit that Information Unlimited has provided. > > The high-voltage supply is not the invention. Any number of high-voltage > > subpplies can be used. > > Great!! They have several listed at http://www.amazing1.com/voltage.htm > Which one do you recommend? I will post the circuitry. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 10:31:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA11156; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:31:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:31:11 -0800 Message-ID: <38B03322.2B5C@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:32:02 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Gondert CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell power MJoules? References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bn8y03.0.Ak2.jB3iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13926 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ted Gondert wrote: > > So the fuel cell size and weight determines the output power. But what > is fuel consumption and cost? Does the fuel cell wear out after use? The calculations answer you're first question. Yes, it wears out... however, it produces at least twice as much energy as the aluminum/air cell. Nu Power cells can be recharged with a hydrogen source. During the recharge cycle (cycle two) you can power loads as it is recharging. This charge cycle can be dispensed with if the cell uses oxygen and hydrogen at the same time. To calculate the output cycle one and cyle two are added together and then the figure is divided by two. > > Need to specify the cost and lifetime of fuel cell so that cost vs > benefit can be calculated for power applications. This will be made available once a production protype is built. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 10:37:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13485; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:36:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:36:34 -0800 Message-ID: <38B03466.2FF4@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:37:26 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Two cycle References: <38AF5BB0.9F5E2C2C@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gb-i63.0.cI3.oG3iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13927 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Martin & Sharon Wolff wrote: > > > You do not have to use the second cycle... it is just a way to > > recycle the cell. You can even use both cycles at once as in a > > fuel-cell configuration. > > Is there any reason to not use the second cycle? The first cycle uses air as its fuel. If you do not wish to recyle the cell you don't have too. There is more power available on the first cycle. > > When you mean 'use two cycles at once' do you mean in a single > chamber or two separate ones? This will be apparent in the patent. > > From a different post, has some one already seen the patent? Yes, two people. Requested hardcopy information got sent out to everyone last Friday, February, 18, 2000. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 10:44:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA16855; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:44:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:44:19 -0800 Message-ID: <38B03638.5CBD@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:45:12 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell power MJoules? References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WUDO32.0.C74.2O3iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13928 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Ted Gondert wrote: > Does the fuel cell wear out after use? > Need to specify the cost and lifetime of fuel cell so that cost vs > benefit can be calculated for power applications. The electrolyte does not react with the anode or cathode. It is used as an conductive ion path only. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 14:13:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA08632; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:12:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01bf7bef$286d11a0$fd3da0d4@j> From: "Jagen3" To: , , Subject: Odp: You may want to see this! Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF7BEA.59387860" Resent-Message-ID: <"yE1s51.0.n62.XR6iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13929 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF7BEA.59387860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Meybe that is not important but I found mistake in BIG2A.zip. The solution of Rx is not correct. The right in attached file rx.gif BTW the current going through R2 is equal R4 only for R2/R3=R4/R5. So expresion of Vc,Vd,Vcd in formula.gif are correct only for that condtion. For all cases look in vcd.gif. 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Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:24:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:24:14 -0800 Message-ID: <38B085E4.5CEF@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:25:08 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: High Frequency Plasma Circuit to exite Nu Power Cells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sm5fD1.0.D43.iM8iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13930 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.nuenergy.org/plasma.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 16:58:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA21257; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:58:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:58:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20000221005810.24021.qmail@www0h.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 20 Feb 00 19:58:10 EST From: Horace To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [You may want to see this!] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.0.33) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA21236 Resent-Message-ID: <"013uR2.0.2C5.ds8iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13931 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thank you for pointing out that the formula for Rx does not hold in all cases and for the time you put in analyzing this. Horace P.S. The Magnetic Wheatstone bridge phenomenon is unaffected by this error since the bridge is still balanced whenever R3/R5=R2/R4 and R2/R3=R4/R5. Thus the MMF generated by a shorted coil will still decrease the attraction force on fragment-R5 as it is removed from the circuit. "Jagen3" wrote: > > > Hi > Meybe that is not important but I found mistake in BIG2A.zip. The solution > of Rx is not correct. The right in > attached file rx.gif > BTW the current going through R2 is equal R4 only for R2/R3=R4/R5. So > expresion of Vc,Vd,Vcd > in formula.gif are correct only for that condtion. For all cases look in > vcd.gif. > > > Zdrowko > Jagen > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: ucd.gif > MIME Type: image/gif > --------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: rx.gif > MIME Type: image/gif > --------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 18:15:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA08923; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:14:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:14:31 -0800 Message-ID: <38B09FBB.15DA@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:15:23 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Nu Power Cell Plate Forming Process Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cy4Cp3.0.DB2.5-9iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13932 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.nuenergy.org/nufuelcell.htm *The anode and cathode described in this file is for a proof of concept prototype. The commercial product may contain other materials. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 18:35:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA13755; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:35:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:35:18 -0800 Message-ID: <38B0A499.5272@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:36:09 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Gondert CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell power MJoules? References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> <38B07808.B20DEF97@teleweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ui1U91.0.pM3.aHAiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13933 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ted Gondert wrote: > > "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > > > > Ted Gondert wrote: > > > > > > So the fuel cell size and weight determines the output power. But what > > > is fuel consumption and cost? Does the fuel cell wear out after use? > > > > The calculations answer you're first question. > > Yes, it wears out... however, it produces at > > least twice as much energy as the aluminum/air > > So how big are the prototype fuel cells and what is their output power? > Mass in Kilograms and volume? Use the calculations provided. > > If it requires high voltage to ionize the cell, how much power will be > consumed by the high voltage generator? What does the auxilary support > circuitry add to the size and cost of cells? > BTW 1MJ=277.8 watt hours by my calculation: 1,000,000 watt seconds/3600 Check out the circuits that have been posted today. > > Are those cells are supposed to provide portable power more efficiently > and cost effectively than regular batteries? What is the output power in > volts and ampre hours? What is impedence of cells, how much current can a > cell provide? What is proposed use of cells; electric vehicles, standby > power, portable power for electronics, etc? Let's see what developes. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. One step at a time... :) > > If fuelcells can be "recharged" with hydrogen and oxygen, do you propose > using electrolysis to provide those elements from water? Although not > efficient, electrolysis is easiest way to produce hydrogen and oxygen in > the home. Besides efficiency isn't that critical in a battery system for > portable electronics, etc. The cost of power from the utility is only > pennies compared to cost of batteries. BUT if used for electric vehicle, > then the overall efficiency is important since much more power would be > required. No electrolysis is involved in the end product. You will see this once you inspect the patent. There is nothing to wear down the cell. > > These are all basic questions that you haven't indicated where to get > answers to. Hopefully you will have more information available in a week > or two if your patent application is approved. The provisional patent is now in effect because it has been received by the patent office mail-room. However, I am waiting for the serial number before the information is publically posted to the website. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 20 23:53:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA27669; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:53:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <38B0EF04.1065@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:53:40 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Gondert CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Information about fuel cells References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> <38B07808.B20DEF97@teleweb.net> <38B0A499.5272@cyberportal.net> <38B0D0EB.A9991A84@teleweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xaOkf.0.6m6.TxEiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13934 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ted Gondert wrote: > > I see your website 'http://www.nuenergy.org" that has some more > information. But still doesn't just give actual test results. Batteries > are usually rated in volts and amphours which gives Watt-Hours. Joules > are Watt-Seconds, usually rating for capacitors and the like, short > pulse power. You still don't give simple answer: What is size of > prototype cell in volume and weight? How many watts, volts, etc? Aprox. 25 watt hours per cubic centimeter. No other test results will be available until a production prototype is built. Under best conditions 1.6 volts are available per cell. > > The claim is that NuEnergy fuel cells will be useful for electronics > equipment, etc. But no details of how they will be constructed, etc. > Need to be environmentally sealed and work in any position with no > spilling, just like modern batteries do such as NiCad or NiMH or Sealed > Lead Acid types used today for rechargeable applications. They are classified as "dry cells" because there is no liquid electrolyte. Therefore there is no shipping restrictions. All materials used in their construction are non-toxic. They have low internal resistance. > > How many times can NuEnergy cells be reused before needing to be > replaced? Conventional rechargeable batteries last for a few years > usually. Primary dry cells of course are relatively inexpensive to > replace. But if NuEnergy fuel cells are expensive and don't last for > years, that will limit their usefullness to special jobs where cost is > not a factor, i.e. space missions, etc. or remote power. Because there is no liquid do not warp under winter conditions. They are expected to last for ten or more years. > > The high voltage supply is interesting using a 'flyback' transformer and > 12 volts DC at 4 amps to supply MOSFET switching transistors. But that > is 48 watts, in case you don't remember Volts * Amps = Watts. :-) Have > you factored in the power consumed by the high voltage supply in you > calculations of overall efficiency? Output power is less of course. The circuit does not draw 48 watts. The circuit is capable of draining 48 watts before it will burn out. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 00:03:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA29840; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:02:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:02:34 -0800 Message-ID: <38B0F13B.3575@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:03:07 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Fuel Cell Proof of Concept Circuits References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> <38B07808.B20DEF97@teleweb.net> <38B0A499.5272@cyberportal.net> <38B0DFFB.A91D44CC@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bUsmB3.0.1I7.K4Fiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13935 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mr. Wizard wrote: > > I can't find the circuits that have been posted today? What am I missing? > Where should I go to look at them? http://www.nuenergy.org/plasma.htm http://www.nuenergy.org/nufuelcell.htm Please bear in mind that these files are not the invention. These are support files for experimenters who wish to tinker after the pending patent is read. The commerical product will consist of prime material that will maximize the invention. This will be better understood once you have read the patent. You should receive it sometime this week. The materials will be kept a trade-secret until the product is released. This is because we do not want the big boys putting out a product before we do. They have lots more money and could easily wipe us out before we even begin. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 06:26:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA14747; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:26:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: <38B14B23.7CFB@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:26:43 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell Proof of Concept Circuits References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> <38B07808.B20DEF97@teleweb.net> <38B0A499.5272@cyberportal.net> <38B0DFFB.A91D44CC@earthlink.net> <38B0F13B.3575@cyberportal.net> <38B147CA.75FD8464@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JPaSa.0.Fc3.uhKiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13936 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MARTIN WOLFF wrote: > > Good to see some construction details posted and even better > that the patent is coming! > > Are you going through this process of building the electrodes > because you didn't have sheets of silver and nickel or is there > something in the process such as rough or porous surface? Yes, for surface area. > > Also, just because I see silver, here is a link to some > stuff on silver oxide batteries which use zinc instead of > nickel as the cathode:- > > http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/application_manuals/silver_oxide.htm > > Martin. The big difference in our cell is that the oxygen is the fuel. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 07:36:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA08587; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:35:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:35:43 -0800 Message-ID: <38B15B7A.7C95@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:36:26 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Nu Power Plating Forming Process (corrections) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9pb_P3.0.462.FjLiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13937 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.nuenergy.org/nufuelcell.htm Please take note that this is a support file for experimenters and is not my invention. The materials used are for a proof of concept device. The commercial product will consist of different cathode and anode compositions. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 07:54:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA12766; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:53:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:53:47 -0800 Message-ID: <38B15FB0.20AF@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:54:24 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: High-voltage, high-frequency circuit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x0OZP3.0.J73.A-Liu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13938 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.nuenergy.org/plasma.htm Circuit credit and where you may obtain this power supply from has now been added to this file. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 08:37:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA28401; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:37:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:37:25 -0800 Message-ID: <38B169EF.1EC5@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:38:07 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Iron (anode) Plate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k5s7Z.0.dx6.4dMiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13939 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.nuenergy.org/nufuelcell.htm I have substituted iron for the silver to make it less expensive for the experimenter. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 08:50:12 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA00707; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:49:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <38B16CDC.2B10@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:50:36 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Product Cell Voltage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aOH8t3.0.uA.ooMiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13940 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The cell voltage of the finished product will be right around 1.6 volts. 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smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10401; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:17:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:17:14 -0800 Message-ID: <38B17344.2947@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:17:56 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Interesting Edison Battery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hlU-c.0.MY2.PCNiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13942 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.worldwideschool.com/library/books/hst/biography/Edison/chap22.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 09:18:23 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA11117; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:18:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <38B17370.1982E6E9@info2000.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:18:40 -0700 From: Ted Reply-To: tsleber@info2000.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved] References: <20000219035307.3003.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jS2C81.0.Vj2.CDNiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13943 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Horace, It looks to me like the spirals ar made of seven elements bundled together and then wound into the spiral. I think they are spiraled only because the bundle is so fat. It looks like a challenge to build. Ted From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 11:11:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA26207; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:09:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:09:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B18D6D.E42@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:09:33 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Nu Fuel Cell UPDATE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TI4sx2.0.2P6.QrOiu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13944 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.nuenergy.org/nufuel.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 20:05:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA05297; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:04:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:04:39 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell Proof of Concept Circuits Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:04:01 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <5a24bssvv8k53cor0mb5fulpnfua03tiin@4ax.com> References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> <38B07808.B20DEF97@teleweb.net> <38B0A499.5272@cyberportal.net> <38B0DFFB.A91D44CC@earthlink.net> <38B0F13B.3575@cyberportal.net> <38B147CA.75FD8464@globalcrossing.com> <38B14B23.7CFB@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38B14B23.7CFB@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA05240 Resent-Message-ID: <"ICzfK.0.fI1.MhWiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13945 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:26:43 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: [snip] >The big difference in our cell is that the oxygen is the fuel. [snip] I take it this means that with an indefinite supply of oxygen, the cell will run continually, irrespective of whether or not the second or recharge cycle is used? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 21:10:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA23265; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:09:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:09:49 -0800 Message-ID: <30219108.951196155786.JavaMail.imail@bronty> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey D Norris Reply-To: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Longitudinal Magnetic ForceURL/Gasoline Capacitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 199.174.176.157 Resent-Message-ID: <"P8wcY3.0.Qh5.ReXiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13946 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I still have not found the proper non magnetic axle for homopolar motor experiment with ring magnets, initial test didnt cotton out, left some history at bottom messageboard. Also have made speculation of onboard alternator using mid range Auto rpm to power one AC phase for LC resonance. How about a gasoline capacitor? Hi voltage perhaps? I think this is explosive. Also left a URL for dielectric constants at the messageboard under Gasoline. HDN Binary Resonant System http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 21 21:22:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA26675; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:22:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:22:20 -0800 Message-ID: <15611241.951196907993.JavaMail.imail@bronty> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey D Norris Reply-To: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Missing URL's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 199.174.176.157 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yt7Lg2.0.hW6.CqXiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13947 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Oops, I forgot to paste them; The Longitudinal Magnetic forces are involved when the cylindrical ring stacks are placed next to each other, the following URL from Tesla List contains relevant info; There is a very interesting paper at http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/Longitudinal/node1.html that talks about a longitudinal magnetic component of current proportional to I^2 Here is a URL for dielectic contants. I see that gasoline is listed at 2. http://www.asiinstr.com/dc1.html Binary Resonant System http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 05:10:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA10143; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:09:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:09:45 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: DeAquino Experiment Info Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bf7d36$0a181680$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007d01bf7a55$84854ac0$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"0Sl031.0.JU2.Ogeiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13948 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, Sorry to leave you hanging. Best place to find info is the vault at: http://www.egroups.com/group/forcefieldpropulsionphysics/ You may need to join the list (not sure). Left click on vault then ELF folder. Equations give mass reduction for many configurations. The posted coil is my current approach using a digikey part. I will have a functional experiment operational in ~1 week. De Aquino tells me many universities are currently trying to reproduce his results. Below is a historical review of how this happened. Best- Steve DeAquino published a paper (released this month) pointing out weight reduction observed and experimentally verified from temperature radiation is valid for all radiation including EM. His weight reduction formula derived from Maxwells equations relate absorbed EM radiation energy by an atom (molecule) to the radiation frequency, as well as conduction, permeability and permittivity of the medium that the atom is a constitute. The formula gives an inverse relationship to frequency so low frequency absorbed energy yields the greatest weight reduction. In fact, the formula says for large energy absorption, the weight goes through zero and becomes negative (negative mass). I started corresponding with Fran regarding ways to construct an efficient ELF antenna as well as antenna encapsulating medium and gravity shield attributes. The problem with radiating low frequency is, to be efficient, the antenna length needs to be thousands of miles long. We concluded the best way around this is to slow phase velocity. This results in a shorter equivalent antenna length. After deriving equations to describe antenna phase velocity as a function of all parameters of interest, we noticed a slight conductivity and permeability of the antenna encapsulating medium also affects phase velocity. Permittivity has little effect. So it becomes a game of balancing parameters to radiate EM energy. For very short antennas, the input power is divided between the antenna radiation resistance and the antenna ohmic resistance (like a resistor voltage divider). The game here is to reduce ohmic resistance so input power will not be wasted as dissipated heat. Absorption coefficient is a measure of the atoms ability to absorb EM radiation. This is also a game of juggling parameters since a large absorption coefficient is desirable. (BTW, you want the antenna encapsulating medium absorption to be small so maximum radiated power density is delivered to the shield atoms). Last is the gravity shield enclosing the antenna assembly. Fran believes this will prevent gravity from acting on the assembly's internals. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 05:32:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA15149; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:31:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:31:55 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: RE: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:31:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bf7d39$22b7c520$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01c001bf7c8d$b4da46a0$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"ceC-I1.0.bi3.A_eiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13949 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Scott, Regarding overunity, consider the following: Results from the DeAquino experiment verify the gravity shield phenomena. A 6 X 3 foot square platform gravity shield platform consumes 3870 Joules of energy (my calculation). If the platform is placed under one half of a 4000 pound wheel, rotary motion is produced courtesy of the earth. The equivalent weight wattage is 2000*8*60/0.25 ft-lb/min = 3.84E6 ft-lb/min. There are 44.26 watts in a ft-lb/min so equivalent wattage is 1.7E8watts for 0.25 seconds or 4.25E7 Joules. Assuming 80% electrical conversion efficiency the energy gain is 0.8*4.25E7-3870 = 3.4E7 Joules. That is a lot of free energy! Steve Burns -----Original Message----- From: skot [mailto:skot@fastbid.cc] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:04 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved Just in case it isn't obvious to someone, this is terribly significant. If there isn't a direct correlation between the weight lost and the electric power required to engage it the the following may be very overunity ( see attached ): scottb -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burns To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 2:43 AM Subject: Antigravity and Free Energy Finally Achieved >All, >De Aquino's papers can be found at: >http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 >Steve Burns > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 11:16:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA16362; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:16:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:16:08 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.11c20c4.25e43a4a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:15:22 EST Subject: Big A status, not like A anymore To: jlnlabs@egroups.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, energy21@listbot.com, tlamb3@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_8a.11c20c4.25e43a4a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"2rs2q3.0.Z_3.t1kiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13950 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_8a.11c20c4.25e43a4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached is an annotated drawing. It is in zipped MS-Word97 format. 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freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 15:25:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09165; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:24:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:24:36 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:19:56 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: An Antigravity Overview Paper Cc: antigravity@primenet.com (Antigravity List), sburns@ironbridgenetworks.com, skot@fastbid.cc Resent-Message-ID: <"aIYtP.0.2F2.pgniu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13951 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Scott, >Regarding overunity, consider the following: [snip] >>All, >>De Aquino's papers can be found at: >>http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 >>Steve Burns BTW: HIS FULL PAPER IS AT: http://br.arxiv.org/html/gr-qc/9910036 --- ----- ------- You all may be interested in an invited over-view paper that was written on Anti-Gravity Research, by an informed researcher that I am familiar with. The paper was presented at the First International AntiGravity Conference last June in Reno, Nevada. I'd appreciate any comments you have on that paper; which is at: http://www.padrak.com/agn/index.shtml#AGPAPER99 PB. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 15:31:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12287; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:30:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: <20000222233018.41688.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.28.94.99] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Big A status, not like A anymore Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:30:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"5KKEH2.0.p_2.gmniu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13952 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ok Butch I down loaded the download and still could not open this file???? major bummer dude... Timothy... >Attached is an annotated drawing. >It is in zipped MS-Word97 format. >Free MS-Word viewers are at: >http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/Articles/viewerscvt.htm >Thanks, >Butch ><< QUICKIE3.ZIP >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 15:38:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA16533; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:38:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <38B31E04.39FE@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:38:44 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fuel Cell Proof of Concept Circuits References: <383EB0F0.21D5F983@teleweb.net> <383EF1CC.56E2@cyberportal.net> <383F129C.46DBC@teleweb.net> <383FF179.C8D@cyberportal.net> <38AE2B33.4C922665@teleweb.net> <38AEFC01.1CB2@cyberportal.net> <38AF4169.7DAA3DE2@teleweb.net> <38B03322.2B5C@cyberpor tal.net> <38B07808.B20DEF97@teleweb.net> <38B0A499.5272@cyberportal.net> <38B0DFFB.A91D44CC@earthlink.net> <38B0F13B.3575@cyberportal.net> <38B147CA.75FD8464@globalcrossing.com> <38B14B23.7CFB@cyberportal.net> <5a24bssvv8k53cor0mb5fulpnfua03tiin@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lw-p63.0.E24.Qtniu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13953 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > The big difference in our cell is that the oxygen is the fuel. > [snip] > I take it this means that with an indefinite supply of oxygen, > the cell will run continually, irrespective of whether or not > the second or recharge cycle is used? Nope... my mistake, bad choice of words. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 20:40:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA27734; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:40:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:40:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DeAquino Experiment Info In-Reply-To: <000501bf7d36$0a181680$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8HeKq3.0.6n6.rIsiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13954 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Steve Burns wrote: > DeAquino published a paper (released this month) pointing out weight > reduction observed and experimentally verified from temperature radiation is > valid for all radiation including EM. His weight reduction formula derived > from Maxwells equations relate absorbed EM radiation energy by an atom > (molecule) to the radiation frequency, as well as conduction, permeability > and permittivity of the medium that the atom is a constitute. The formula > gives an inverse relationship to frequency so low frequency absorbed energy > yields the greatest weight reduction. In fact, the formula says for large > energy absorption, the weight goes through zero and becomes negative > (negative mass). > > I started corresponding with Fran regarding ways to construct an efficient > ELF antenna as well as antenna encapsulating medium and gravity shield > attributes. The problem with radiating low frequency is, to be efficient, > the antenna length needs to be thousands of miles long. We concluded the > best way around this is to slow phase velocity. Do the VLF waves need to radiate at all? If they are radiated by the coil and then immediately absorbed by the atoms, then why do we have to create a VLF antenna? Why not just construct a transformer with a lossy core? The Poynting vector field then points away from the coil and into the core where the energy is converted into heat. (Hey, use demagnetised Ferrite magnets as the core. I bet they get hot when exposed to very strong 60Hz fields. Use Barium Ferrite in order to be Bearden-esque.) The iron atoms must ABSORB the VLF radiation? Can they re-emit it again and still experience altered mass? If not, if they must absorb it only, then we must ask where the absorbed energy goes. Into core heating most probably. This suggests that we should use an INEFFICIENT material for the core, one which converts the changes in the magnetic domains into heat. Use ordinary steel instead of silicon/iron transformer laminations. Instead of re-radiating the VLF waves in the form of fields of delayed phase, the lossy steel will absorb the energy of the fields. Another possibility: radiate the energy as sound. If we drive a quartz crystal with high voltage electrodes, the atoms of the crystal absorb energy from the e-fields and convert it to physical vibration, which is then lost as sound waves. Because of the sound radiation, the atoms in the crystal won't re-radiate the EM energy as they would in a conventional capacitor. Even better, immerse the crystal in water or oil, and provide sound absorbers on the walls of the bucket. (This sounds like the Egyptian stone-lifting method. The secret of Coral Castle?) Maybe you don't need to use heavy copper rods as coils. If the weight of the copper stays the same, then many turns of fine wire gives the same magnetic field as few turns of heavy wire. With the correct wire gauge, the entire device could run directly from the 220V mains with no intermediate transformer needed. If the mass-alteration effect works all the way down to zero frequency, it would suggest that a charged capacitor has a slightly altered mass. Would the effect work with "macroscopic particle" structures such as electrical circuits? What if we drive a piece of carbon or nichrome wire with a power supply? The energy in electric circuits is EM field energy, and NOT the energy of individual electrons as many people suppose. In this situation the EM energy travels through the fields surrounding the conductors and then is absorbed by electrons in the resistor to accelerate them, and then is transferred to the atomic nucleii during the electron collisions within the resistor. Compared to the tiny amount of 60Hz energy emitted by a desktop antenna, a piece of carbon absorbs many orders of magnitude more. Do electric heaters lose mass? When a battery lights a bulb, does the bulb become "light"? Idea: build the macroscopic analog of a resonant atom and let it absorb EM waves. Build a small coil/capacitor circuit which is tuned to 60HZ. Place a load resistor in series with the resonant circuit in order to convert some of the absorbed EM energy into heat (so it absorbs 60HZ waves and does not re-radiate them). Wind a larger hoop-coil and drive it with current at 60Hz, with the small resonator held near the hoop-coil. The resonator absorbs 60Hz energy and the resistor becomes hot. Weigh the resonator with and without 60Hz power applied (or suspend it from a counterbalance arm and look for movements.) If the EM energy MUST travel as true waves, then the fields of conventional coils and capacitors will not work. In coils/capacitors the E and M waves always lead or lag by 90 degrees phase and do not act as flowing EM energy. To create true EM energy flow, use the "CFA" crossed-field antenna idea: separately generate an intense e-field and b-field, then superpose them. Wind a coil around a lossy ferromagnet core, then place electrode plates at 90 degrees and apply high voltage at the same frequency. That was the intent of the infamous GRC or "gravity resonance coil", where two isolated coils created the b-field, and an H.V. power supply imposed a large voltage between the two coils, so the e-field was always at right angles to the b-field within the torus. In the GRC the electromagnetic energy (Poynting vector) remained within the torus and flowed around the major axis of the torus. The original GRC used melted wax which grew hot during use (as it absorbed energy from the power supplies! Maybe using glycerine prevented proper functioning.) Speaking of paraffin, nobody has yet built the wax-paper capacitor from "Electric Rocket" plans. Perhaps that device needed to be driven by AC in order to lose EM energy as heat in the dielectric. (For such a small capacitor, the input would have to be high voltage in order to draw enough current to heat the dielectric.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 22 23:26:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA04513; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:26:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:26:04 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <75.1c55134.25e4e560@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:25:20 EST Subject: Buying parts now To: jlnlabs@egroups.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_75.1c55134.25e4e560_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fd5s53.0.N61.Bkuiu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13955 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --part1_75.1c55134.25e4e560_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See attached for drawings of test fixture for Neutral Polarity o/u device (was Big A) and future basic motor/gererator layout. 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mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA03897; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:34:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:34:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20000223083315.79774.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.128] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: just found this and thought I'd share... what do you think??? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:33:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jyLXi2.0.jy.4kviu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13956 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.msnbc.com/news/372802.asp cientists say theyÕve struck oil with algae Researchers get hydrogen from scum, but yields still low By Alan Boyle MSNBCÊ Ê WASHINGTON, Feb. 21 Ñ ÊCould the cars of the future run on plain old pond scum? That may be a simplistic way of putting it, but energy researchers say theyÕre harnessing microorganisms to make hydrogen gas Ñ which in turn could power 21st-century automobiles. Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊA KEY DISCOVERY in the field was announced just last month after more than a decade of research: Scientists grew a culture of green algae known as Chlamydomonas reinhardtii Ñ commonly found in pond scum. Then they cut off the cultureÕs supply of oxygen as well as sulfur, which the algae can use to produce oxygen. Ê Ê Ê ÊThat triggered a Òmolecular switchÓ within the cells, forcing the algae to consume their stored fuel with the aid of sunlight and water. Ê Ê Ê ÊThe chemical reaction produced bubbles of hydrogen as a byproduct. Ê Ê Ê ÊScientists have long known that algae could give off hydrogen, but never in the amounts produced in the latest experiments. About two pints (850 milliliters) of the lime-green algae produced a tenth of an ounce (3 milliliters) of hydrogen gas per hour. And the researchers believe they can make the operation efficient enough to get 10 times that yield. ÊÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÒItÕs the equivalent of striking oil,Ó said Tasios Melis, a biologist at the University of California at Berkeley. ÒIt was enormously exciting. It was unbelievable.Ó Ê Ê Ê ÊThe results were published in JanuaryÕs issue of the journal Plant Physiology and discussed here Monday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Ê Ê Ê Ê HYDROGEN-PRODUCING SOUP Ê Ê Ê ÊMelis told MSNBC that the ingredients for the hydrogen-producing soup didnÕt have to be pristine: water, algae, fertilizer, a mixture of salts and sunlight. Advertisement Ê Ê Ê ÊÒWho knows? Down the road, maybe one can combine the cleaning of sewage water and the production of hydrogen,Ó he said. Ê Ê Ê ÊHe and other researchers cautioned that commercial applications would be decades down the road. Currently, hydrogen for fuel purposes is extracted from natural gas. But as fossil-fuel resources dwindle and environmental concerns rise, these renewable technologies are likely to become more attractive, the scientists said. Ê Ê Ê ÊÒWhat the pond scum can do may be driving our cars 20 or 50 years from now,Ó said Michael Seibert of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo. The lab and Berkeley have applied for a patent on the technology. Ê Ê Ê Ê A HOLY GRAIL Ê Ê Ê ÊSome energy experts have long considered hydrogen to be a Holy Grail for renewable energy. Automakers are experimenting with cars that combine hydrogen and oxygen in fuel cells to generate electrical power Ñ as well as combustion engines that use hydrogen instead of gasoline. Ê Ê Ê ÊUnlike the greenhouse gases produced by a gasoline-powered car, the exhaust from a hydrogen-fueled car would be simple H2O, in the form of water vapor. Ê Ê Ê ÊSafety and storage density are two of the concerns holding back development, experts say. Ever since the Hindenburg airship explosion in 1937, consumers have been leery of hydrogen gas Ñ and engineers have been working on ways to compress the gas safely so that drivers wonÕt have to deal with zeppelin-size fuel tanks. Ê Ê Ê ÊMargaret Mann, an engineer at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, said a lot of progress has been made on that front. Ê Ê Ê Ê ÒSafety has been addressed very well,Ó she said. Some plans call for hydrogen to be piped from production facilities to distribution points for delivery to fueling stations Ñ something like the system used for compressed natural gas. Ê Ê Ê Ê HOW IT WORKS Ê Ê Ê ÊOn the production side of things, a biological-based hydrogen plant might work something like a steam plant, with the algae-water mixture cycled through a system of clear tubes exposed to sunlight. Ê Ê Ê ÊÒA small pond full of algae could sustain the operation of a dozen automobiles for a week,Ó said Melis, emphasizing that this was just a rough estimate of the potential hydrogen-producing capacity. Ê Ê Ê ÊThe researchers found that the hydrogen-producing reaction could continue for four to five days before the algae exhausted all its stored fuel. Then the organisms had to be switched back to using oxygen so they could recharge the fuel supply. Ê Ê Ê ÊÒYou enrich the cells, and then you bleed them off for the hydrogen that they produce,Ó Melis explained. Ê Ê Ê ÊThe researchers speculated that the primitive algaeÕs Òmolecular switchÓ may date to the earliest days of life on Earth, when microbes had to survive in sulfur-poor conditions without the benefit of oxygen. Ê Ê Ê ÊÒItÕs probably an evolutionary relic that gives the organism a survival advantage,Ó said Elias Greenbaum of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. Ê Ê Ê ÊGreenbaum and fellow researchers are working on a single-stage approach that forces algae to produce hydrogen and oxygen at the same time. He said his team was able to keep such a reaction going for more than 50 days straight. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 06:36:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20543; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:35:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:35:50 -0800 Message-ID: <38B3F069.5597@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:36:25 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: just found this and thought I'd share... what do you think??? References: <20000223083315.79774.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yQ9uQ1.0.u05.61_iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13957 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Timothy, We have vast supplies of propane gas in this country that is vented as a waste product in the oil refinery business. There are answers but the are few who will liston. :( -BAP Timothy Flytch wrote: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/372802.asp > cientists say theyÕve struck > oil with algae > Researchers get hydrogen from scum, but yields still low > By Alan Boyle > MSNBC WASHINGTON, Feb. 21 Could the cars of the future run on plain > old pond scum? That may be a simplistic way of putting it, but energy > researchers say theyÕre harnessing microorganisms to make hydrogen gas > which in turn could power 21st-century automobiles. > A KEY DISCOVERY in the field was announced just last month after more > than a decade of research: Scientists grew a culture of green algae known as > Chlamydomonas reinhardtii commonly found in pond scum. Then they cut off > the culture's supply of oxygen as well as sulfur, which the algae can use to > produce oxygen. > That triggered a Òmolecular switchÓ within the cells, forcing the > algae to consume their stored fuel with the aid of sunlight and water. > The chemical reaction produced bubbles of hydrogen as a byproduct. > Scientists have long known that algae could give off hydrogen, but > never in the amounts produced in the latest experiments. About two pints > (850 milliliters) of the lime-green algae produced a tenth of an ounce (3 > milliliters) of hydrogen gas per hour. And the researchers believe they can > make the operation efficient enough to get 10 times that yield. > It's the equivalent of striking oil, said Tasios Melis, a > biologist at the University of California at Berkeley. ÒIt was enormously > exciting. It was unbelievable. > The results were published in January's issue of the journal Plant > Physiology and discussed here Monday at the annual meeting of the American > Association for the Advancement of Science. > > HYDROGEN-PRODUCING SOUP > Melis told MSNBC that the ingredients for the hydrogen-producing soup > didn't have to be pristine: water, algae, fertilizer, a mixture of salts and > sunlight. Advertisement > > Who knows? Down the road, maybe one can combine the cleaning of > sewage water and the production of hydrogen, he said. > He and other researchers cautioned that commercial applications would > be decades down the road. Currently, hydrogen for fuel purposes is extracted > from natural gas. But as fossil-fuel resources dwindle and environmental > concerns rise, these renewable technologies are likely to become more > attractive, the scientists said. > What the pond scum can do may be driving our cars 20 or 50 years > from now, said Michael Seibert of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory > in Golden, Colo. The lab and Berkeley have applied for a patent on the > technology. > > A HOLY GRAIL > Some energy experts have long considered hydrogen to be a Holy Grail > for renewable energy. Automakers are experimenting with cars that combine > hydrogen and oxygen in fuel cells to generate electrical power Ñ as well as > combustion engines that use hydrogen instead of gasoline. > > Unlike the greenhouse gases produced by a gasoline-powered car, the > exhaust from a hydrogen-fueled car would be simple H2O, in the form of water > vapor. > Safety and storage density are two of the concerns holding back > development, experts say. Ever since the Hindenburg airship explosion in > 1937, consumers have been leery of hydrogen gas and engineers have been > working on ways to compress the gas safely so that drivers wonÕt have to > deal with zeppelin-size fuel tanks. > Margaret Mann, an engineer at the National Renewable Energy > Laboratory, said a lot of progress has been made on that front. > Safety has been addressed very well, she said. Some plans call for > hydrogen to be piped from production facilities to distribution points for > delivery to fueling stations something like the system used for compressed > natural gas. > > HOW IT WORKS > On the production side of things, a biological-based hydrogen plant > might work something like a steam plant, with the algae-water mixture cycled > through a system of clear tubes exposed to sunlight. > A small pond full of algae could sustain the operation of a dozen > automobiles for a week, said Melis, emphasizing that this was just a rough > estimate of the potential hydrogen-producing capacity. > > The researchers found that the hydrogen-producing reaction could > continue for four to five days before the algae exhausted all its stored > fuel. Then the organisms had to be switched back to using oxygen so they > could recharge the fuel supply. > You enrich the cells, and then you bleed them off for the hydrogen > that they produce, Melis explained. > The researchers speculated that the primitive algae's molecular > switch may date to the earliest days of life on Earth, when microbes had to > survive in sulfur-poor conditions without the benefit of oxygen. > It's probably an evolutionary relic that gives the organism a > survival advantage, said Elias Greenbaum of the Oak Ridge National > Laboratory in Tennessee. > Greenbaum and fellow researchers are working on a single-stage > approach that forces algae to produce hydrogen and oxygen at the same time. > He said his team was able to keep such a reaction going for more than 50 > days straight. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 06:44:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA25699; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:43:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:43:46 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: RE: An Antigravity Overview Paper Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:43:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002101bf7e0c$53317240$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"ibPRE1.0.NH6.X8_iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13958 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Patrick, Frankly, I could write a paper in response to the overview paper. Lots of stuff in there. Here is my abbreviated comments- Using DeAquino's theory, I calculated the gravitational and inertial mass difference for an iron atom one meter from a 220VAC, 60Hz, 1200Watt room base board heater to be ~1E-56. Try and measure that. You really have to go out of your way to obtain substantial mass differences. Regarding Religion and Politics, historically they hold back much scientific advancement (except war related) not just antigravity. Judging from my exposure to email list over the last 6 months, I classify antigravity activist into the following groups- 40% - participate but subconsciously think it is impossible. 50% - in to their own thing and will continue to be so even if antigravity is prolifically demonstrated. 10% - open minded and flexible in any technological direction holding promise. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bailey [mailto:pgb@padrak.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 5:20 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: Antigravity List; sburns@ironbridgenetworks.com; skot@fastbid.cc Subject: An Antigravity Overview Paper >Scott, >Regarding overunity, consider the following: [snip] >>All, >>De Aquino's papers can be found at: >>http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 >>Steve Burns BTW: HIS FULL PAPER IS AT: http://br.arxiv.org/html/gr-qc/9910036 --- ----- ------- You all may be interested in an invited over-view paper that was written on Anti-Gravity Research, by an informed researcher that I am familiar with. The paper was presented at the First International AntiGravity Conference last June in Reno, Nevada. I'd appreciate any comments you have on that paper; which is at: http://www.padrak.com/agn/index.shtml#AGPAPER99 PB. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 06:49:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA27772; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:49:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:49:15 -0800 Message-ID: <38B3F391.35A7@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:49:53 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons Subject: Re: Manufacturing References: <38B30000.29687234@flex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J8-5b2.0.rn6.gD_iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13959 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dennis Turner wrote: > > Bruce, > > Some of us have expressed an interest in manufacturing (or assembly of > components, perhaps). I'm wondering if you have yet had time to figure > out a strategy in this regard. I have not yet decided on a business plan in this regards. Perhaps Rex can help us in this area? > > Primarily, will there be any opportunities here for some of us little > guys? Remember, I am also one of the "little guys." > > What you have disclosed, so far, seems to indicate that no > expensive tooling is required. If it required expensive tooling then I would have not gotten this far. ;) > > But is it feasible to think that a basic shop could start small > and build gradually into higher volume (more efficient = profitable) > production to supply a local area or region? Sure, why not? -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 07:00:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA00443; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:59:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:59:56 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: RE: DeAquino Experiment Info Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:59:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002401bf7e0e$94fdb4c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3vG3.0.q6.iN_iu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13960 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, You zoomed right past my level of understanding. Kedrick Brown also proposed using magnetized material as the antenna and shield. DeAquino points out a shield material in a magnetic field will have a much higher permeability (initial vs. saturation) reducing required current by an order of magnitude. That is why I placed an electro (or permanent) magnet inside my coil. In addition, super conductors with high conductivity (>1E22S/m) may hold promise. I need to study your response and I can say that frankly no one seems to understand the intuitive inter-atom dynamics of this. I proposed Prodisky's distorted (lopsided) electron cloud idea as a possibility. When an atom comes to rest in a gravitational field, the cloud deforms. The nucleus tries to reposition causing an attraction force in the gravitational field direction. VLF may "shake" the cloud resulting in an average mean of reduced distortion. As to how it can go negative, you tell me. Steve -----Original Message----- From: William Beaty [mailto:billb@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 11:40 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DeAquino Experiment Info Do the VLF waves need to radiate at all? If they are radiated by the coil and then immediately absorbed by the atoms, then why do we have to create a VLF antenna? Why not just construct a transformer with a lossy core? The Poynting vector field then points away from the coil and into the core where the energy is converted into heat. (Hey, use demagnetised Ferrite magnets as the core. I bet they get hot when exposed to very strong 60Hz fields. Use Barium Ferrite in order to be Bearden-esque.) The iron atoms must ABSORB the VLF radiation? Can they re-emit it again and still experience altered mass? If not, if they must absorb it only, then we must ask where the absorbed energy goes. Into core heating most probably. This suggests that we should use an INEFFICIENT material for the core, one which converts the changes in the magnetic domains into heat. Use ordinary steel instead of silicon/iron transformer laminations. Instead of re-radiating the VLF waves in the form of fields of delayed phase, the lossy steel will absorb the energy of the fields. Another possibility: radiate the energy as sound. If we drive a quartz crystal with high voltage electrodes, the atoms of the crystal absorb energy from the e-fields and convert it to physical vibration, which is then lost as sound waves. Because of the sound radiation, the atoms in the crystal won't re-radiate the EM energy as they would in a conventional capacitor. Even better, immerse the crystal in water or oil, and provide sound absorbers on the walls of the bucket. (This sounds like the Egyptian stone-lifting method. The secret of Coral Castle?) Maybe you don't need to use heavy copper rods as coils. If the weight of the copper stays the same, then many turns of fine wire gives the same magnetic field as few turns of heavy wire. With the correct wire gauge, the entire device could run directly from the 220V mains with no intermediate transformer needed. If the mass-alteration effect works all the way down to zero frequency, it would suggest that a charged capacitor has a slightly altered mass. Would the effect work with "macroscopic particle" structures such as electrical circuits? What if we drive a piece of carbon or nichrome wire with a power supply? The energy in electric circuits is EM field energy, and NOT the energy of individual electrons as many people suppose. In this situation the EM energy travels through the fields surrounding the conductors and then is absorbed by electrons in the resistor to accelerate them, and then is transferred to the atomic nucleii during the electron collisions within the resistor. Compared to the tiny amount of 60Hz energy emitted by a desktop antenna, a piece of carbon absorbs many orders of magnitude more. Do electric heaters lose mass? When a battery lights a bulb, does the bulb become "light"? Idea: build the macroscopic analog of a resonant atom and let it absorb EM waves. Build a small coil/capacitor circuit which is tuned to 60HZ. Place a load resistor in series with the resonant circuit in order to convert some of the absorbed EM energy into heat (so it absorbs 60HZ waves and does not re-radiate them). Wind a larger hoop-coil and drive it with current at 60Hz, with the small resonator held near the hoop-coil. The resonator absorbs 60Hz energy and the resistor becomes hot. Weigh the resonator with and without 60Hz power applied (or suspend it from a counterbalance arm and look for movements.) If the EM energy MUST travel as true waves, then the fields of conventional coils and capacitors will not work. In coils/capacitors the E and M waves always lead or lag by 90 degrees phase and do not act as flowing EM energy. To create true EM energy flow, use the "CFA" crossed-field antenna idea: separately generate an intense e-field and b-field, then superpose them. Wind a coil around a lossy ferromagnet core, then place electrode plates at 90 degrees and apply high voltage at the same frequency. That was the intent of the infamous GRC or "gravity resonance coil", where two isolated coils created the b-field, and an H.V. power supply imposed a large voltage between the two coils, so the e-field was always at right angles to the b-field within the torus. In the GRC the electromagnetic energy (Poynting vector) remained within the torus and flowed around the major axis of the torus. The original GRC used melted wax which grew hot during use (as it absorbed energy from the power supplies! Maybe using glycerine prevented proper functioning.) Speaking of paraffin, nobody has yet built the wax-paper capacitor from "Electric Rocket" plans. Perhaps that device needed to be driven by AC in order to lose EM energy as heat in the dielectric. (For such a small capacitor, the input would have to be high voltage in order to draw enough current to heat the dielectric.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 11:47:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08210; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:46:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:46:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:46:22 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: DeAquino Experiment Info In-Reply-To: <002401bf7e0e$94fdb4c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CX_rI.0.A02.Ma3ju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13961 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Steve Burns wrote: > Bill, > You zoomed right past my level of understanding. Or I don't know what I'm talking about, but it *SOUNDS* good! :) I still have little clue as to what DeAquino is doing. (Why would it work better at low frequencies? Does that mean that 0Hz static fields are best?) The phrase "atom absorb EM energy" got me going. > I proposed > Prodisky's distorted (lopsided) electron cloud idea as a possibility. When > an atom comes to rest in a gravitational field, the cloud deforms. The > nucleus tries to reposition causing an attraction force in the gravitational > field direction. VLF may "shake" the cloud resulting in an average mean of > reduced distortion. As to how it can go negative, you tell me. Interesting idea. The cloud shakes only slightly unless your frequency hits some sort of atomic resonance, but maybe the domain-flipping that occurs as iron gets magnetized would also shake some clouds. If the gravity forces depend on the ORIENTATION of atoms, then a 'confused' atom would have less mass. One way to confuse the atoms would be to spin the object, but we know that ordinary flywheels don't lose signifcant mass. Maybe a flywheel causes the atoms to become MORE oriented rather than less, so something other than simple rotation would be needed (such as superconductive currents plus rotation.) Or to disorient the atoms, use a rotating e-field instead of an ordinary VLF radio wave? Off topic: if the antenna coil in an AM radio can only absorb the waves when it's in a particular orientation, then a ROTATING antenna might stop absorbing. And if atoms only absorb light when the atom is in a particular orientation with respect to the light wave, then a ROTATING atom might stop interacting with light waves. If the atom starts to absorb light, but then it flips over, it should coherently re-emit any light that it had absorbed, and the light should proceed along without even being scattered. An intense rotating electromagnetic field might cause certain objects to become transparent. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 15:14:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA16430; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:14:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:14:06 -0800 Message-ID: <007201bf7e53$0216d7a0$709b10cf@drosigno> Reply-To: "David Rosignoli" From: "David Rosignoli" To: Subject: Fw: [antigrav] New experiences @ zero gravity. ;-) - Off topic? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:09:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"RcSab1.0.Y04.zc6ju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13962 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I found this off the greenglow mailing list @egroups.com. Just thought you'd find it interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Greene To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: [antigrav] New experiences @ zero gravity. ;-) > I KNEW this was going on! When we started hearing about > co-ed space flights I though, "no way they can resist". > Terry > > > Astronauty but nice > > IAN SPARKS > > ASTRONAUTS had sex > on the American space > shuttle - with the full > blessing of NASA > bosses. > > The zero-gravity nookie sessions > were all in the cause of finding > which positions work best in a > weightless environment. > > But the men and women > volunteers created their own atmosphere as they went > through TEN different lovemaking tests, says astronomer > Pierre Kohler. > > Six positions used an inflatable tunnel with WALL straps. > They were designed to hold the lovers together - though > the other four positions allowed the couple to FLOAT > freely about the capsule. > > Kohler, French author of many books on space, claims > he has seen secret files on the 1996 sexperi- > ments. He says NASA document number 12-571-3570 > reveals that mixed teams of astronauts were sent on four > missions to boldly go where no-one had gone before. > > Well, at least not Yanks - though Russian Svetlana > Savitskaia was rumoured to have had sex with one or > more of the four men she spent a month with on the > now-defunct Salyut-7 space station in 1982. > And in 1991, Britain's first female astronaut Helen > Sharman, then 28, said she'd had "fantastic > experiences" on the Mir station with four cosmonauts. > > This is not to suggest any impropriety - though one > Russian said the crew had "great fun" with Helen, who > was videoed floating around in a pink nightie! > > Now Kohler, who makes his claims in his new book The > Final Mission, says: "Sex in space could have been tried > out many times. > > "But the NASA experiments were possibly the first to > find the most effective ways of doing it if couples had to > spend a long time in space." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To Post a message, send it to: greenglow@eGroups.com > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: greenglow-unsubscribe@eGroups.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online. > SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time, > in your space. Join for FREE today! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/197624/_/951318830/ > > -- Talk to your group with your own voice! > -- http://www.egroups.com/VoiceChatPage?listName=greenglow&m=1 > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 15:29:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA21482; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:29:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: <38B46D66.7FF0@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:29:42 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Pending Patents Received Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JkP8J1.0.YF5.yq6ju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13963 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Many of you have received the information that you requested a short time ago. Some of you have asked me if it is ok to discuss the invention openly on the list. The answer yes, but only on; nuenergy3@listbot.com until the patent is publically posted on my website. This will be in a few more weeks once the serial number comes back from the patent office. One question that I got was "does the details in the patent override the details of the notorized page." The answer to this question is yes. There is also a question in my mind about the chemistry involved... is the secondary reactant hydrogen peroxide, is it hydroxyl, or is it both? This is something that can be dicussed and I welcome any feedback on this. It doesant really matter too much because the bottom-line is that the cell works. My concern is that when it comes time to submit the regular patent that the chemistry should be correct. -Bruce A. Perreault -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 15:33:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA23650; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:32:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:32:57 -0800 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:22:59 -0500 Subject: Re: An Antigravity Overview Paper Message-ID: <20000223.182309.-381307.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-6,8-10,15-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"j7tHg.0.Kn5.fu6ju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13964 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:43:18 -0500 "Steve Burns" writes: > Patrick, > Frankly, I could write a paper in response to the overview paper. Lots of > stuff in there. Here is my abbreviated comments- [snip] > Regarding Religion and Politics, historically they hold back much scientific > advancement (except war related) not just antigravity. Much of what passes as religion really is just politics in disguise, such as the Crusades. It should be remembered that there were several Christian and Roman Catholic scientists who are noted for their contributions to science. In fact, some religions encourage the growth of scientific endeavor. -Tom Grimes mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com ----------------------------------------- >From Newspaper Headlines: "Women's movement called more broad-based." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 15:38:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06889; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:38:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:38:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008b01bf7e56$4cbcebc0$709b10cf@drosigno> Reply-To: "David Rosignoli" From: "David Rosignoli" To: References: <002401bf7e0e$94fdb4c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Subject: Re: DeAquino Experiment Info Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:32:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"_ze_W.0.Th1.Rz6ju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13965 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill Beaty wrote: > Speaking of paraffin, nobody has yet built the wax-paper capacitor from > "Electric Rocket" plans. Perhaps that device needed to be driven by AC in > order to lose EM energy as heat in the dielectric. (For such a small > capacitor, the input would have to be high voltage in order to draw enough > current to heat the dielectric.) Actually, I had plans to build this "Electric Rocket" until I realized that there is a problem with this design. First of all, the Biefeld-Brown effect works by using a HVDC (or pulsed DC,...) across a capacitor. The direction of motion is the same as the applied field. Brown claimed that this BB effect increased with the voltage and the capacitance. If this is true, separating the plates (for a parallel plate capacitor) further apart from each other should decrease the effect. Okay. But the "Electric Rocket" - which, incidentally, sounds more like a thought experiment that someone came up with, and not something that anyone actually performed - includes many parallel plate capacitors in series. So, the equivalent capacitance has dropped, since they are all in series. I would think that the resultant effect also drops in total force. A parallel capacitor arrangement should increase the effect. What bothers me with this explanation is that Brown himself used gravitors (capacitors) in a series arrangement in a long rectangular form to achieve some kind of multiplication in his result. (See his English patent) The problem lies in a lack of data. Did Brown leave behind detailed notes and measurements? Where can I obtain these? If Brown was right about stacking them, then he must have been incorrect in stating that the effect goes up with capacitance. Of course, instead of the "Electric Rocket", a better design might be Charles Morton's space drive approach, that was printed a couple of different times in ESJ. He was able to create tractor/repulsor beam effects using a HVDC and a spark gap with a funky design (even shorting a Van de Graaf generator). I think the force appeared whenever a spark occured, which suggests that the collapsing E field at these high voltages is the inherent cause. Of course, I'm not sure how a significant temperature effect could have been created to create an Anti-g effect. Sure, the spark generates heat within the spark gap, as well as within those Brown capacitors during breakdown - when the effect increased -, but enough to account for the observed forces? Not being familiar with DeAquino's theory, I just don't know. Give me a GOOD reason why you think the "Electric Rocket" might work, and I'll build it - after I'm finished working on this Electrokinetic Apparatus. David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 16:09:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09703; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ac01bf7e5a$94840660$709b10cf@drosigno> Reply-To: "David Rosignoli" From: "David Rosignoli" To: References: Subject: Re: An Antigravity Overview Paper Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"LkzK_1.0.TN2.vP7ju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13966 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com You wrote about the magnetic field have some kind of "spin" to it - i.e., not just static. Where is this from? It's just that the Mysterious Magnetic Spinner on the INE page comes to mind. My brother, Carlo, experimented with that for a while, and came to the conclusion that the rotating effect of the paper clip is due to the thread material vs. just the magnetic field itself. Cotton threads will produce a torsion pendulum effect, whereas a nylon cord (like a fishing line), or a copper wire - materials that don't want to twist - do not produce this twisting effect. Sure, the magnetic field is important. It generates a downward force that pulls the paper clip down. However, just attaching a weight to the end of the thread and letting go also produces the same result. (For those who don't know, the Mysterious Magnetic Spinner is a little kit that INE sells. It comes in a transparent tube with a paper clip suspended from the top of the tube. At the bottom of the tube lies a magnet. As you lower the paper clip down into the tube, the paper clip rotates. The direction of rotation of the paper clip depends on the winding filaments of the thread - whether clockwise, or CCW. ) Sorry, Patrick, but unless there is something else that we're overlooking, this isn't that Mysterious. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Bailey To: Cc: Antigravity List ; ; Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: An Antigravity Overview Paper > >Scott, > >Regarding overunity, consider the following: > > [snip] > > >>All, > >>De Aquino's papers can be found at: > >>http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 > >>Steve Burns > > BTW: HIS FULL PAPER IS AT: http://br.arxiv.org/html/gr-qc/9910036 > > --- ----- ------- > > You all may be interested in an invited over-view paper that was written on > Anti-Gravity Research, by an informed researcher that I am familiar with. > > The paper was presented at the First International AntiGravity Conference > last June in Reno, Nevada. > > I'd appreciate any comments you have on that paper; > > which is at: > > http://www.padrak.com/agn/index.shtml#AGPAPER99 > > PB. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 19:49:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA17633; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:48:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:48:56 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: HV Circuit Safety Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:00:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20000224040016000.AAA80@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"nfnNd3.0.PJ4.deAju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13967 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ahoy There! I've been reading a lot about quite a few different HV circuits recently, enough to see that they can be built by just about anyone, and with very low cost components. What I haven't seen so far however, is a comprehensive, public domain treatment of the dangers of HV circuits, especially the proper wiring of capacitors for DC and AC circuits, and for the proper methods of discharging them. I'm aware of only one URL that treats the subject at all, and not only is it incomplete in my opinion, it is also copyrighted. I was wondering if any of you had any online references that would treat this subject. Ideally, the reference would be public domain, so that anyone posting a HV circuit to a webpage for example, could take the safety document, and post it right there on their website with the circuit without violating any copyrights. If I don't find anything that treats the subject to my satisfaction, then I would like to organize something to that end. Got any URL's? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 20:25:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30698; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:25:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:25:16 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: RE: DeAquino Experiment Info Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:36:37 -0500 Message-ID: <20000224043637421.AAA261@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"_dE3v1.0.YV7.hABju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13968 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Billb writes: >Off topic: if the antenna coil in an AM radio can only absorb the waves >when it's in a particular orientation, then a ROTATING antenna might stop >absorbing. And if atoms only absorb light when the atom is in a >particular orientation with respect to the light wave, then a ROTATING >atom might stop interacting with light waves. If the atom starts to >absorb light, but then it flips over, it should coherently re-emit any >light that it had absorbed, and the light should proceed along without >even being scattered. An intense rotating electromagnetic field might >cause certain objects to become transparent. You amaze me with some of the stuff you think about, Bill. Another couple of unthinkable thoughts, as the speed of sound through a material increases with the density of the material, is it possible that a sufficient shock wave in the material would cause the material to become dense enough (via compression) at the wavefront that it becomes lens like enough to divert light around it or possibly scatter the light so that it does not reflect as it normally would? Could the speed of sound itself become faster than the speed of light under the right conditions? In a gas like air, for example, could a shockwave of sufficient magnitude or brissance be mechanically or electronically generated that could ionize the gas at the wavefront, and the light would be electrically conducted in that ionization path? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 20:26:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30811; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:25:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: <057b01bf7e7e$d0693c80$47c22bd1@skot-s-cow> From: "Skot" To: Subject: Re: Interesting Edison Battery Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:22:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"4lOfp.0.9X7.8BBju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13969 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I read this because I like Edison. Cool story. The design of his obsession was Nickel-Hydrate and Iron. My laptop and cell phone both use NiMH batterys. So I'm assuming that it stands for Nickel-Metal-Hydrate and that it is the modern version of what Edison developed. scottb -----Original Message----- From: Bruce A. Perreault To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Cc: nuenergy@listbot.com Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 2:17 AM Subject: Interesting Edison Battery >http://www.worldwideschool.com/library/books/hst/biography/Edison/chap22.ht ml > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 23 22:31:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA03520; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:31:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:31:25 -0800 X-Sender: klicco@pop.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:34:47 +1300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Paul Callender Subject: De Aquino and Schappeller Resent-Message-ID: <"m0ElF2.0.vs.z0Dju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13970 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com While musing over Aquino's recent paper and experiment I noticed that an almost identical experiment was carried out by Karl Schallepper, which also reported weight-loss. The two experiments both have a copper dipole antennae counter wound around a dielectric. Both use an iron casing around the antennae. They both use current to induce the effect, only Schallepper rotates the interior portion to create the current. De Aquino is using conventional high current to get the negative weight effect. >From what I can see, we have two extremely similar experiments, which both claim gravitational anomalies. As a further bonus, Schappeller reports over unity effects, and a glowing discharge which sounds much like Hamel and Searl's claims. The Parr Gravity Wheel experiment may also come under this umbrella of dipole gravitational effect. Going off on a bit of a tangent, Schappeller describes a magnetic like energy, which correlates nicely with my ideas on an inverted magnetic current where the B and E fields have swapped. This also links up with ideas from such people as Henry Wallace, Tesla and his longitudinal Electricity, Various Mercury heatpipe engines, Joseph Newman, Peter Graneau, Felix Ehrenhaft, and various experimental descriptions like the miniRomag at www.magneticenergy.com. I believe that if this magnetic current exists, it may be many many times more efficient at macroscopic aetheral control (including 'antigravity' and free energy) than the conventional AC DC of today. But I digress. :) Even ignoring the free energy stuff, we have two SEPARATE experiments that are so alike, reporting the same claimed effects, that you have to wonder. As for myself I'll be looking into some experiments given the time and availability of resources ... touch wood. But I'm sure almost everyone else has more experiance than me in these things, I'd love to see JLNaudin tackle something like this, I'm sure an antigravity engine would work wonders for his ARDA project. =) I'd love to hear comments and or ideas on this new correlation. PC From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 03:35:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA32304; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:34:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:34:59 -0800 Message-ID: <38B5176F.86E60316@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:35:11 -0500 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RELIGION References: <20000223.182309.-381307.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KRmfS1.0.fu7.YTHju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13971 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com once we have overunity and antigravity, we can build powerful spaceships and then we will be in a position of verification and experimentation of religious facts. tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:43:18 -0500 "Steve Burns" > writes: > > Patrick, > > Frankly, I could write a paper in response to the overview paper. Lots > of > > stuff in there. Here is my abbreviated comments- > [snip] > > Regarding Religion and Politics, historically they hold back much > scientific > > advancement (except war related) not just antigravity. > > Much of what passes as religion really is just politics in disguise, > such as the Crusades. It should be remembered that there were several > Christian and Roman Catholic scientists who are noted for their > contributions to science. In fact, some religions encourage the growth > of scientific endeavor. > > -Tom Grimes > > mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com > ----------------------------------------- > >From Newspaper Headlines: > "Women's movement called more broad-based." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 07:11:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA15370; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:10:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:57:34 -0500 Subject: (off topic) Re: RELIGION Message-ID: <20000224.095743.-422037.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5-7,11-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"8KWIk1.0.ml3.WdKju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13972 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:35:11 -0500 patrick tremblay writes: > once we have overunity and antigravity, we can build powerful spaceships and > then we will be in a position of verification and experimentation of religious > facts. How? What does space travel have anything to do with religion? Are you referring to possible (though not probable) extraterrestrial civilizations? I know this is off the topic of this list, but this comment is highly intruiging. -Tom Grimes mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com ----------------------------------------- >From Newspaper Headlines: "Women's movement called more broad-based." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 10:09:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07509; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:08:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:08:48 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: Negative Mass Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:08:13 -0500 Message-ID: <003701bf7ef2$1d93e3c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"uS0Ns3.0.Dr1.lENju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, I have been bashing my head against the wall regarding positive to negative mass transition. I care since my apparatus operates under 1Hz and should easily obtain negative mass. I am about 2 weeks away from testing it. The DeAquino equation not only allows different values for gravitational and inertial mass, gravitational mass can pass through zero and become negative. This is a violation of equivalence for gravitational and inertial force and acceleration necessary in Newton's laws. Equivalence guarantees gravitational and inertial forces result in identical acceleration of an object. An object with gravitational mass m_g experiencing a force F = m_g*g = m_i*a_i in a gravitational field results in an acceleration a = m_g*g / m_g = g. If a force of the same magnitude is applied to the object having a different inertial mass m_i, it would experience an acceleration a = m_g*g / m_i = g (m_g / m_i). This is a violation of the principle of equivalence. De Aquino has proposed a modified form of Newton's laws so that the principle of equivalence is preserved. De Aquino proposes gravitational mass alone determines an object's acceleration in response to inertial or gravitational forces (so inertial mass becomes a theoretical concept). In addition, DeAquino includes a relativistic expression revealing null gravitational mass does not increase with increasing velocity. This gives a modified version of Newton's law where inertial and gravitational forces are equivalent, as are inertial and gravitational accelerations even though inertial and gravitational masses differ. F_g = |m_g|*a_g/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Equation 1 F_i = |m_g|*a_i/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Equation 2 where F_i = inertial force, F_g = gravitational force, v = mass velocity, c = speed of light, a_i = inertial acceleration, a_g = gravitational acceleration. Since gravitational mass alone determines an object's acceleration in response to forces of any kind, Equation 1 and 2 opens the door to velocities very close to (and possibility faster than) the speed of light. As an object's gravitational mass is decreased close to zero, a constant applied force produces a larger acceleration. For m_g == 0, there is no mass increase and therefore no limiting velocity. Equations 1 and 2 describe a negative mass object behaving as a positive mass object in a gravitational field. This is fortunate from a control theory perspective for controlling to zero mass. To see how close to zero mass we can get using current technology with the DeAquino equation, consider the following: Assume a mu metal shield immersed in a magnetic field with permeability of 75,000 and conductivity of 2E6S/m. Calculations show 31.4A and 0.168197966Hz reduces a nickel atom mass from 9.37E23 to -1.7E-30 or ~8 orders of magnitude. To accomplish this, we use a battery powered PLL square wave oscillator operating at the above frequency multiplied by 2^29 or 90.3MHz. A low-pass filter converts the divided square wave to a sine wave. Electronics is inside a temperature-controlled oven to minimize drift. Oscillator battery voltage fluctuates by 50E-6 volts. Oscillator frequency stability is 10 PPM. Antenna input is from a temperature stabilized 5V supply with 100E-6 volt ripple. Antenna current is modulated with parallel high power HEXFET's driven by the converted sine wave. Stacking the errors, mass is increased from -1.7E-30 to +/-6.79E-26. This is ~3 orders of magnitude reduction from the starting mass. So we can realize a minimum mass reduction of 1000. Since control systems need error to control, a zero mass control point will fluctuate between positive and negative mass. In theory, this implies a finite time when the mass is zero. Any constant applied force will result in infinite acceleration (and velocity) bringing the mass close to and even beyond c. Occupants inside the gravitational shield will experience no g force consistent with Mach's principle. This implies interesting consequences. In theory, a craft will transverse the entire universe in one control cycle. Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 10:24:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA11434; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:23:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:23:57 -0800 Message-ID: <001901bf7ef4$08f299a0$0a00a8c0@skot.emeraldnet.net> From: "skot" To: Subject: Re: Negative Mass Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:21:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"VtiSV1.0.Vo2.ySNju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is over my head but common sense tells me that the mass doesn't actually change, just it's attraction to "earth". Hence inertia would also not change ( have they tested the inertia of their device when powered on by shaking side to side to see if it feels light? ). So if my common sense view proves right then they may get to zero "weight" but never levitate or they may get it to levitate but it wouldn't be negative mass, just a repulsion to other mass replacing the normal attraction. This I can understand, mass reduction or negative mass would baffle me too. scottb -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burns To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: Negative Mass >All, >I have been bashing my head against the wall regarding positive to negative >mass transition. I care since my apparatus operates under 1Hz and should >easily obtain negative mass. I am about 2 weeks away from testing it. > >The DeAquino equation not only allows different values for gravitational and >inertial mass, gravitational mass can pass through zero and become negative. >This is a violation of equivalence for gravitational and inertial force and >acceleration necessary in Newton's laws. Equivalence guarantees >gravitational and inertial forces result in identical acceleration of an >object. An object with gravitational mass m_g experiencing a force F = m_g*g >= m_i*a_i in a gravitational field results in an acceleration a = m_g*g / >m_g = g. If a force of the same magnitude is applied to the object having a >different inertial mass m_i, it would experience an acceleration a = m_g*g / >m_i = g (m_g / m_i). This is a violation of the principle of equivalence. >De Aquino has proposed a modified form of Newton's laws so that the >principle of equivalence is preserved. > >De Aquino proposes gravitational mass alone determines an object's >acceleration in response to inertial or gravitational forces (so inertial >mass becomes a theoretical concept). In addition, DeAquino includes a >relativistic expression revealing null gravitational mass does not increase >with increasing velocity. This gives a modified version of Newton's law >where inertial and gravitational forces are equivalent, as are inertial and >gravitational accelerations even though inertial and gravitational masses >differ. > > F_g = |m_g|*a_g/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Equation 1 > > > F_i = |m_g|*a_i/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Equation 2 > >where >F_i = inertial force, >F_g = gravitational force, >v = mass velocity, >c = speed of light, >a_i = inertial acceleration, >a_g = gravitational acceleration. > >Since gravitational mass alone determines an object's acceleration in >response to forces of any kind, Equation 1 and 2 opens the door to >velocities very close to (and possibility faster than) the speed of light. >As an object's gravitational mass is decreased close to zero, a constant >applied force produces a larger acceleration. For m_g == 0, there is no mass >increase and therefore no limiting velocity. > >Equations 1 and 2 describe a negative mass object behaving as a positive >mass object in a gravitational field. This is fortunate from a control >theory perspective for controlling to zero mass. To see how close to zero >mass we can get using current technology with the DeAquino equation, >consider the following: > >Assume a mu metal shield immersed in a magnetic field with permeability of >75,000 and conductivity of 2E6S/m. Calculations show 31.4A and >0.168197966Hz reduces a nickel atom mass from 9.37E23 to -1.7E-30 or ~8 >orders of magnitude. To accomplish this, we use a battery powered PLL square >wave oscillator operating at the above frequency multiplied by 2^29 or >90.3MHz. A low-pass filter converts the divided square wave to a sine wave. >Electronics is inside a temperature-controlled oven to minimize drift. >Oscillator battery voltage fluctuates by 50E-6 volts. Oscillator frequency >stability is 10 PPM. Antenna input is from a temperature stabilized 5V >supply with 100E-6 volt ripple. Antenna current is modulated with parallel >high power HEXFET's driven by the converted sine wave. Stacking the errors, >mass is increased from -1.7E-30 to +/-6.79E-26. This is ~3 orders of >magnitude reduction from the starting mass. So we can realize a minimum mass >reduction of 1000. > >Since control systems need error to control, a zero mass control point will >fluctuate between positive and negative mass. In theory, this implies a >finite time when the mass is zero. Any constant applied force will result in >infinite acceleration (and velocity) bringing the mass close to and even >beyond c. Occupants inside the gravitational shield will experience no g >force consistent with Mach's principle. This implies interesting >consequences. In theory, a craft will transverse the entire universe in one >control cycle. > >Steve > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 10:28:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13245; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:28:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:28:02 -0800 Sender: jack@pop.centurytel.net Message-ID: <38B5867D.3E59AA6C@mail.pc.centuryinter.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:29:01 +0000 From: "Taylor J. Smith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Negative Mass References: <003701bf7ef2$1d93e3c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="x" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="x" Resent-Message-ID: <"aY-cn2.0.rE3.nWNju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Burns wrote: I have been bashing my head against the wall regarding positive to negative mass transition. I care since my apparatus operates under 1Hz and should easily obtain negative mass. I am about 2 weeks away from testing it. The DeAquino equation not only allows different values for gravitational and inertial mass, gravitational mass can pass through zero and become negative ... Since control systems need error to control, a zero mass control point will fluctuate between positive and negative mass. In theory, this implies a finite time when the mass is zero. Any constant applied force will result in infinite acceleration (and velocity) bringing the mass close to and even beyond c. Occupants inside the gravitational shield will experience no g force consistent with Mach's principle. This implies interesting consequences. In theory, a craft will transverse the entire universe in one control cycle. Hi Steve, Wow! This really makes me itch to renew my experiments with heating the large lead balls of the Cavendish balance. Cavendish originally observed that this seemed to change "G". Jack Smith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 11:46:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA06884; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:45:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:45:27 -0800 Message-ID: <38B58A6C.198F@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:45:48 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: Re: (off topic???) Re: SEX IN SPACE References: <20000224.095743.-422037.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X74pN.0.Qh1.LfOju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: Sex in space? / ASTRONAUTS had sex on the American space shuttle http://www.lineone.net/express/00/02/23/news/n2320spacesex-d.html Sex in space? The Earth did move for the astronauts BY Jack Gee in Paris London Express ON space missions, heavenly bodies are not supposed to give in to earthly desires. Not that sex in orbit is practical. The silver suits, hardly the most arousing attire, would get in the way for a start. Lack of gravity would cause innumerable problems, and there would be nowhere to have a cigarette afterwards. Then there is always the possibility those men from mission control in Houston would be watching. But according to secret Nasa files, for some astronauts the earth has moved after all. The US space agency had long been eager to find out how sex would be possible during lengthy missions. So instead of instructing its space teams to seek out new worlds and civilisations, it set them the task of testing which sexual positions worked best in a weightless environment. Four of the positions - Nasa did not specify which - enabled the couple to drift freely around the capsule. Less romantically, another four involved an inflatable tunnel and wall-mounted straps to hold the lovers together. The secret Nasa file on the sex experiments, which took place in 1996, was uncovered by French scientist Pierre Kohler. He said: "The Nasa document stated the aim was to establish the most effective ways to have sex in space. They were obviously thinking about couples spending long periods of time in space together. "NASA has refused to identify the participants in the hanky-panky space rides. Everybody concerned was sworn to secrecy. So we are unlikely to hear any first-hand accounts for some time." Most astronauts have adhered to an unofficial flight celibacy ruling. But in 1982, Russian Svetlana Savitskaia was rumoured to have had sex with at least one of the four men with whom she spent a month on the Salut-7 space station. Mr Kohler makes his revelations in his new book The Final Mission, whose main theme is the mishaps that dogged the Mir station. He said: "The 1982 space flight of the Soviet Salut-7 is thought to be the first time a man and woman had sex in space. The feat has been repeated over and over again since then. There has been a lot of discretion about the goings-on up there over the past couple of decades." For some space travellers, however, celibacy was never a problem. Russian Musa Manarov, who spent more than a year on Mir during his first mission in 1987-88, said: "A young guy could go for three years without women." And Laura Supra, 29, the youngest member of Nasa's longest-duration test on Earth, said: "That's one of the things you give up by going up there."But, with a three-year journey to Mars planned for this century, that may no longer be the case. © Express Newspapers, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.drudgereport.com/ IAN SPARKS ASTRONAUTS had sex on the American space shuttle - with the full blessing of NASA bosses. The zero-gravity nookie sessions were all in the cause of finding which positions work best in a weightless environment. But the men and women volunteers created their own atmosphere as they went through TEN different lovemaking tests, says astronomer Pierre Kohler. Six positions used an inflatable tunnel with WALL straps. They were designed to hold the lovers together - though the other four positions allowed the couple to FLOAT freely about the capsule. Kohler, French author of many books on space, claims he has seen secret files on the 1996 sexperi- ments. He says NASA document number 12-571-3570 reveals that mixed teams of astronauts were sent on four missions to boldly go where no-one had gone before. Well, at least not Yanks - though Russian Svetlana Savitskaia was rumoured to have had sex with one or more of the four men she spent a month with on the now-defunct Salyut-7 space station in 1982. And in 1991, Britain's first female astronaut Helen Sharman, then 28, said she'd had "fantastic experiences" on the Mir station with four cosmonauts. This is not to suggest any impropriety - though one Russian said the crew had "great fun" with Helen, who was videoed floating around in a pink nightie! Now Kohler, who makes his claims in his new book The Final Mission, says: "Sex in space could have been tried out many times. "But the NASA experiments were possibly the first to find the most effective ways of doing it if couples had to spend a long time in space." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 11:47:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA07230; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:47:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:47:29 -0800 Message-ID: <38B58AED.578C@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:47:57 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: De Aquino and Schappeller References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-Hpez1.0.km1.FhOju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Paul, Can you scan in this "Schappeller" article and post it to the list? It sounds interesting. -BAP Paul Callender wrote: > > While musing over Aquino's recent paper and experiment I noticed that an > almost identical experiment was carried out by Karl Schallepper, which also > reported weight-loss. > > The two experiments both have a copper dipole antennae counter wound around > a dielectric. Both use an iron casing around the antennae. They both use > current to induce the effect, only Schallepper rotates the interior portion > to create the current. De Aquino is using conventional high current to get > the negative weight effect. > > >From what I can see, we have two extremely similar experiments, which both > claim gravitational anomalies. > > As a further bonus, Schappeller reports over unity effects, and a glowing > discharge which sounds much like Hamel and Searl's claims. > > The Parr Gravity Wheel experiment may also come under this umbrella of > dipole gravitational effect. > > Going off on a bit of a tangent, Schappeller describes a magnetic like > energy, which correlates nicely with my ideas on an inverted magnetic > current where the B and E fields have swapped. This also links up with > ideas from such people as Henry Wallace, Tesla and his longitudinal > Electricity, Various Mercury heatpipe engines, Joseph Newman, Peter > Graneau, Felix Ehrenhaft, and various experimental descriptions like the > miniRomag at www.magneticenergy.com. I believe that if this magnetic > current exists, it may be many many times more efficient at macroscopic > aetheral control (including 'antigravity' and free energy) than the > conventional AC DC of today. But I digress. :) > > Even ignoring the free energy stuff, we have two SEPARATE experiments that > are so alike, reporting the same claimed effects, that you have to wonder. > > As for myself I'll be looking into some experiments given the time and > availability of resources ... touch wood. But I'm sure almost everyone else > has more experiance than me in these things, I'd love to see JLNaudin > tackle something like this, I'm sure an antigravity engine would work > wonders for his ARDA project. =) > > I'd love to hear comments and or ideas on this new correlation. > > PC From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 11:58:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10598; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:58:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:58:13 -0800 Message-ID: <38B58D6A.7096@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:58:34 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Interesting Edison Battery References: <057b01bf7e7e$d0693c80$47c22bd1@skot-s-cow> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3jeEI.0.Qb2.KrOju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Skot, No, Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) batteries are not Edison batteries. The Metal Hydride is titanium... the nickel becomes an oxide, and the titanium becomes the hydride when the battery is charged. At least this is my understanding. -Bruce A. Perreault Skot wrote: > > I read this because I like Edison. Cool story. The design of his obsession > was Nickel-Hydrate and Iron. My laptop and cell > phone both use NiMH batterys. So I'm assuming that it stands > for Nickel-Metal-Hydrate and that it is the modern version of > what Edison developed. > > scottb http://www.worldwideschool.com/library/books/hst/biography/Edison/chap22.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 12:26:12 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18944; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:25:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:25:47 -0800 Message-ID: <38B593D1.8AD9893F@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:25:54 -0500 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) Re: RELIGION References: <20000224.095743.-422037.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1PfsN.0.vd4.AFPju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am not referring to extra-terrestrial civilisations, though that would debunk a lot of questions and bring a lot of answers. No I am referring to space colonisation. As you should know, religion is Earth based, once we have established colonies to other star systems and planets and built other civilisation, religion will be obsolete because all of it's prophecies and concerns are Earth based, nothing is said about space colonisation. So the issue is this, if armaggeddon is to happen, it is to happen before all those colonisation of space, so in the next 40 years we should get all of those answers. Cause I estimate that in about 40 years overunity and antigravity will have gone public and space companies will build revolutionary space transport systems. tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:35:11 -0500 patrick tremblay > writes: > > once we have overunity and antigravity, we can build powerful > spaceships and > > then we will be in a position of verification and experimentation of > religious > > facts. > > How? What does space travel have anything to do with religion? Are you > referring to possible (though not probable) extraterrestrial > civilizations? I know this is off the topic of this list, but this > comment is highly intruiging. > > -Tom Grimes > > mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com > ----------------------------------------- > >From Newspaper Headlines: > "Women's movement called more broad-based." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 12:31:18 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA26493; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002901bf7f10$f29ddee0$b71b56c3@default> From: "Trohodon" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: (off topic???) Re: SEX IN SPACE Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:47:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"CgRhu2.0.mT6.KJPju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >He said: "The Nasa document stated the aim was to establish the most >effective ways to have sex in space. They were obviously thinking about >couples spending long periods of time in space together. I guess masturbating is out of the quwation! What a mess! ;-)) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 12:33:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA27589; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:32:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:32:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20551531.951424282874.JavaMail.imail@bronty> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: Harvey D Norris Reply-To: To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Comments on Bill Beaty ideas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 199.174.176.122 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-Str2.0.fk6.MLPju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13981 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > > Do the VLF waves need to radiate at all? If they are radiated by the coil > and then immediately absorbed by the atoms, then why do we have to create > a VLF antenna? Why not just construct a transformer with a lossy core? > The Poynting vector field then points away from the coil and into > the core where the energy is converted into heat. (Hey, use demagnetised > Ferrite magnets as the core. I bet they get hot when exposed to very > strong 60Hz fields. Use Barium Ferrite in order to be Bearden-esque.) Actually this material(strontium ferrite as in ceramic magnets) is not used in 60 hz transformers but specialty higher frequency applications. When funds permit I am purchasing a 3 phase torroidal transformer that uses this material. The reason for this is that I have converted some bus alternators to AC, but they are designed for high amperage output,the stator only has 54turns,(18 per phase) of thick square copper windings that can easily deliver 10 amps. Having recently purchased a digital camera I am taking pictures of all these parts from a dissassembled one dissected for meaning, when one of them kept locking up when the field was applied. These unique alternators also have no slip rings, and have no relative movement between the field and the output stator windings, only the pole faces rotate. The output I have obtained from a single phase of the stator windings is only 25-30 volts,@ 3450 rpm input to establish an actual 3600 rpm by difference in pulley diameters. The pole faces are 6 to a side, therefore one revolution is 6 cycles and impedance measurements of a large inductor have shown that the frequency is precisely 360 hz. For experimental reasons I need to increase this voltage at least 4 times and the word is that an ordinary transformer would quickly heat up. It is said that a ferrite toroidal transformer will do that job more efficiently without the normal heating losses. But at 60 hz one would then suppose that this special transformer would then be very innefficient. I would like to know if anyone has constructed powdered iron transformers, it is mentioned in one of the old tesla books that they can function up to frequencies of 100,000 hz! I find that hard to believe. Just making some comments on the use of strontium ferrite. I have also purchased this ceramic magnetic material in an unmagnetized form,in 1 inch cylinders, taking 13 to a stack with a central winding of double speaker wire. I then added 6 more of these 13 inch stacks around the central rod and wrapped more speaker wire around these until I ran out of wire, about 10 inches of outer wrap. My notes from 10/12/98 indicate the many different inductances that can be obtained by combining these 4 sets of coils, but the maximum reading I obtained was 1.76 mH. This seemed disapointing to me beacause a 500 ft spool of 14 gauge wire has an air core and inductance of around 11 mH.Given the fact that strontium ferrite is also a dielectric, a capacity also exists between the inner and outer windings which appear as cyclindrical walls to an electric field, thus establishing a capacity between them recorded as 222 pf. Of course anytime we have both an L and C value we also have a resonant frequency, estimating the L at 2(10^-3)H gives a resonant frequency of 23,900 hz, although I have not tested this with a signal generator. I have also obtained powdered ferrite and mixed it with amorphous synthetic silica and water and powdered cement, it can cure around plates to make a magnetic cement capacitor, dont have the dielectric constant data in my notes. I have also mixed this ferrite with wax, these samples have been laying around since 1995 since I didnt have the means to separate the concentrate until now. I also made titanium oxide wax concentrates, a recent test of the concentrate was very disappointing, only a dielectric constant of 6.2 when the oxide is listed as 40-50 and the paraffin as 2. If anyone knows a source for TiO2 please email me, it is supposed to have twice the dielectric value of the oxide, but I am not sure what titanium was in the concentrate. > Build a small coil/capacitor circuit which is tuned to 60HZ. > Place a load resistor in series with the resonant circuit in order to > convert some of the absorbed EM energy into heat (so it absorbs 60HZ waves > and does not re-radiate them). Wind a larger hoop-coil and drive it with > current at 60Hz, with the small resonator held near the hoop-coil. The > resonator absorbs 60Hz energy and the resistor becomes hot. Weigh the > resonator with and without 60Hz power applied (or suspend it from a > counterbalance arm and look for movements.) Easier said than done, usually you wont be able to plug it into the wall or it will burn up. The resistance of the inductor must be high enough to handle its amperage value given by the 120 volt input. Also be ready to use a huge capacitance if your inductance is small. To make a 60 hz resonant circuit that would safely operate in wall voltage conditions I used 30 of those 500 ft 14 gauge spools for a total inductance of .473 H in double row toroidal field formation and capacity to resonate @ 60 hz at 14 uf. > > If the EM energy MUST travel as true waves, then the fields of > conventional coils and capacitors will not work. In coils/capacitors the > E and M waves always lead or lag by 90 degrees phase and do not act as > flowing EM energy. To create true EM energy flow, use the "CFA" > crossed-field antenna idea: separately generate an intense e-field and > b-field, then superpose them. Wind a coil around a lossy ferromagnet > core, then place electrode plates at 90 degrees and apply high voltage at > the same frequency. That was the intent of the infamous GRC or "gravity > resonance coil", where two isolated coils created the b-field, and an H.V. > power supply imposed a large voltage between the two coils, so the e-field > was always at right angles to the b-field within the torus. In the GRC > the electromagnetic energy (Poynting vector) remained within the torus and > flowed around the major axis of the torus. The original GRC used melted > wax which grew hot during use (as it absorbed energy from the power > supplies! Maybe using glycerine prevented proper functioning.) > I am working with this same sort of idea for years now, the alternators will be able to provide two phases of resonance at a 90 degree phase angle because there are two of them on a common shaft where the phasing difference between each three phases can then be set at any angle. I have theorized that if the electric field from one resonant phase could exist at right angles to the magnetic field of the other phase, and vice versa the total output from the lorentz forces should exceed the total energy input to both phases. Only an actual test can verify that theory. My idea is to use an electrolysis cell to be the medium where these fields can interact in identical orthogonal spacings and timings. > Speaking of paraffin, nobody has yet built the wax-paper capacitor from > "Electric Rocket" plans. Perhaps that device needed to be driven by AC in > order to lose EM energy as heat in the dielectric. (For such a small > capacitor, the input would have to be high voltage in order to draw enough > current to heat the dielectric.) > Can someone direct me to that site again? HDN > Binary Resonant System http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 12:38:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA28938; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:37:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:37:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003c01bf7f11$ee70ba80$b71b56c3@default> From: "Trohodon" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: (off topic???) Re: SEX IN SPACE Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:55:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"MtuYj.0._37.OQPju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com btw is talking about cardesign off topic??? tonight i made some pencil drawings and some looked like automobiles... i can use some propuslion info... klompen uit amsterdam From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 12:41:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA22891; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:41:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:41:24 -0800 Message-ID: <003901bf7f11$86774c00$b71b56c3@default> From: "Trohodon" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: (off topic???) Re: SEX IN SPACE Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:53:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"yodLz.0.Nb5.pTPju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com question! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 13:05:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA30471; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:05:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:05:12 -0800 Message-ID: <38B59AAC.CC90347C@dabney.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:55:08 -0600 From: "Emmett Hawkins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) RELIGION References: <20000224.095743.-422037.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> <38B593D1.8AD9893F@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EZSXQ.0.yR7.7qPju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com patrick tremblay wrote: > No I am referring to space colonisation. As you should know, religion is Earth > based, once we have established colonies to other star systems and planets and built > other civilisation, religion will be obsolete because all of it's prophecies and > concerns are Earth based, nothing is said about space colonisation. I personally am a Christian and believe in such a thing as absolute truth. This is not earth based, truth is truth regardless of where you are in the universe. It's not tied to earth and neither is Christianity. Also, religion is what determines an individual's actions and beliefs, and as such I don't think religion will ever be obsolete, but perhaps you are thinking of something different when you say religion. > So the issue is this, if armaggeddon is to happen, it is to happen before all those > colonisation of space, so in the next 40 years we should get all of those answers. > Cause I estimate that in about 40 years overunity and antigravity will have gone > public and space companies will build revolutionary space transport systems. This is an interesting thought you've brought out. I personally do not believe in "Armageddon" in the way that most people do. (i.e. the world being physically destroyed in some catastrophe) I hope you're right about overunity and antigravity in the next 40 years, that would be great. And the fact that humans will move beyond earth does not shake my faith at all, although I realize it may for some. -- Emmett Hawkins Red-Leader@Dabney.com , XWingPilot@email.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 13:28:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA06052; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:27:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:27:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20000224212715.49719.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.28.94.242] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) Re: RELIGION Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:27:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"En33C2.0.TU1.Q9Qju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > How? What does space travel have anything to do with religion? -Tom >Grimes space ... our universe has everything to do with religion... If you can prove that there is a limit to it then what is outside??? or is there a limit??? Do we not all seek God??? Timothy... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 14:04:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA19808; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:03:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:03:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20000224220207.51078.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.28.94.242] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) Re: RELIGION Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:02:07 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"LSFBv1.0.Jr4.LgQju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I Don't think so... the religious leaders will twist and change their beliefs to fit... Religion will continue... For as long as there is man there has been, and always will be religion... Timothy... >No I am referring to space colonisation. As you should know, religion is >Earth >based, once we have established colonies to other star systems and planets >and built >other civilisation, religion will be obsolete because all of it's >prophecies and >concerns are Earth based, nothing is said about space colonisation. > >So the issue is this, if armaggeddon is to happen, it is to happen before >all those >colonisation of space, so in the next 40 years we should get all of those >answers. > >Cause I estimate that in about 40 years overunity and antigravity will have >gone >public and space companies will build revolutionary space transport >systems. > >tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:35:11 -0500 patrick tremblay > > writes: > > > once we have overunity and antigravity, we can build powerful > > spaceships and > > > then we will be in a position of verification and experimentation of > > religious > > > facts. > > > > How? What does space travel have anything to do with religion? >Are you > > referring to possible (though not probable) extraterrestrial > > civilizations? I know this is off the topic of this list, but this > > comment is highly intruiging. > > > > -Tom Grimes > > > > mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com > > ----------------------------------------- > > >From Newspaper Headlines: > > "Women's movement called more broad-based." > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 15:07:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04278; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:07:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:07:08 -0800 Message-ID: <38B5B99A.8B8C8C18@dabney.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:07:06 -0600 From: "Emmett Hawkins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) Re: RELIGION References: <20000224220207.51078.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GP_7M2.0.i21.ScRju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Timothy Flytch wrote: > I Don't think so... the religious leaders will twist and change their > beliefs to fit... Religion will continue... For as long as there is man > there has been, and always will be religion... > Timothy... Agreed. Humans have a built in need for some kind of religion, even if it is centered on themselves, thus there will always be religion. To a certain degree, religion is what shapes scientific and technological progress, not the other way around. -- Emmett Hawkins Red-Leader@Dabney.com , XWingPilot@email.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 15:16:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08060; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:14:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:14:55 -0800 Message-ID: <008b01bf7f1c$46dc0760$149c10cf@drosigno> Reply-To: "David Rosignoli" From: "David Rosignoli" To: Subject: JLN labs replication by Hal Puthoff's EarthTech Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:10:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"RHGrc3.0.lz1.kjRju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Check out this URL for some replication by EarthTech's replication effort on JLN's OAGDP. Interesting measurement effects. I suspect an artifact of differential coupling on the leads. http://www.eden.com/~little/gdp/cursory.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 15:51:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA18851; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:51:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:51:16 -0800 Message-ID: <00c301bf7f21$5e29a8a0$149c10cf@drosigno> Reply-To: "David Rosignoli" From: "David Rosignoli" To: References: <20000224040016000.AAA80@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Subject: Re: HV Circuit Safety Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:46:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"3pWP63.0.Qc4.pFSju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Just stick one hand in your pocket at all times ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael T Huffman To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: HV Circuit Safety > Ahoy There! > > I've been reading a lot about quite a few different HV circuits recently, > enough to see that they can be built by just about anyone, and with very low > cost components. What I haven't seen so far however, is a comprehensive, > public domain treatment of the dangers of HV circuits, especially the proper > wiring of capacitors for DC and AC circuits, and for the proper methods of > discharging them. I'm aware of only one URL that treats the subject at all, > and not only is it incomplete in my opinion, it is also copyrighted. I was > wondering if any of you had any online references that would treat this subject. > > Ideally, the reference would be public domain, so that anyone posting a HV > circuit to a webpage for example, could take the safety document, and post > it right there on their website with the circuit without violating any > copyrights. If I don't find anything that treats the subject to my > satisfaction, then I would like to organize something to that end. > > Got any URL's? > > Knuke > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 17:27:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA15188; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:27:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:27:05 -0800 Message-ID: <00d401bf7f2e$bdc09000$149c10cf@drosigno> Reply-To: "David Rosignoli" From: "David Rosignoli" To: References: <003701bf7ef2$1d93e3c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Subject: Re: Negative Mass Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:22:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZAOT8.0.9j3.bfTju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Please see my comments below. > All, > I have been bashing my head against the wall regarding positive to negative > mass transition. I care since my apparatus operates under 1Hz and should > easily obtain negative mass. I am about 2 weeks away from testing it. > > The DeAquino equation not only allows different values for gravitational and > inertial mass, gravitational mass can pass through zero and become negative. > This is a violation of equivalence for gravitational and inertial force and > acceleration necessary in Newton's laws. Equivalence guarantees > gravitational and inertial forces result in identical acceleration of an > object. An object with gravitational mass m_g experiencing a force F = m_g*g > = m_i*a_i in a gravitational field results in an acceleration a = m_g*g / > m_g = g. If a force of the same magnitude is applied to the object having a > different inertial mass m_i, it would experience an acceleration a = m_g*g / > m_i = g (m_g / m_i). This is a violation of the principle of equivalence. > De Aquino has proposed a modified form of Newton's laws so that the > principle of equivalence is preserved. > > De Aquino proposes gravitational mass alone determines an object's > acceleration in response to inertial or gravitational forces (so inertial > mass becomes a theoretical concept). In addition, DeAquino includes a > relativistic expression revealing null gravitational mass does not increase > with increasing velocity. This gives a modified version of Newton's law > where inertial and gravitational forces are equivalent, as are inertial and > gravitational accelerations even though inertial and gravitational masses > differ. > > F_g = |m_g|*a_g/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Equation 1 > > > F_i = |m_g|*a_i/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Equation 2 > > where > F_i = inertial force, > F_g = gravitational force, > v = mass velocity, > c = speed of light, > a_i = inertial acceleration, > a_g = gravitational acceleration. > > Since gravitational mass alone determines an object's acceleration in > response to forces of any kind, Equation 1 and 2 opens the door to > velocities very close to (and possibility faster than) the speed of light. > As an object's gravitational mass is decreased close to zero, a constant > applied force produces a larger acceleration. For m_g == 0, there is no mass > increase and therefore no limiting velocity. > You should always be careful when dealing with 0 values in your denominator. See below. > Equations 1 and 2 describe a negative mass object behaving as a positive > mass object in a gravitational field. This is fortunate from a control > theory perspective for controlling to zero mass. To see how close to zero > mass we can get using current technology with the DeAquino equation, > consider the following: > > Assume a mu metal shield immersed in a magnetic field with permeability of > 75,000 and conductivity of 2E6S/m. Calculations show 31.4A and > 0.168197966Hz reduces a nickel atom mass from 9.37E23 to -1.7E-30 or ~8 That's 9.37E-23. > Since control systems need error to control, a zero mass control point will > fluctuate between positive and negative mass. In theory, this implies a > finite time when the mass is zero. Any constant applied force will result in > infinite acceleration (and velocity) bringing the mass close to and even > beyond c. Occupants inside the gravitational shield will experience no g > force consistent with Mach's principle. This implies interesting > consequences. In theory, a craft will transverse the entire universe in one > control cycle. Not exactly. Actually, the force is gravity applied on the gravitational mass in the direction of the earth. This force, Fe, is constant.When the gravitational mass of this test mass decreases in value, the gravitational acceleration of this mass must also increase, but in the same direction as the force vector. So, as the mass m_g approaches zero (m_g=0+), this mass must accelerate into the earth approaching infinite velocity before it reverses in sign. Assuming this mythical mass reached zero, as it gains a negative mass, it will accelerate at infinite velocity away from the earth for m_g=0- . When m_g achieves a more finite negative value, it will accelerate at a more comfortable finite velocity away from the earth (at this point the other side of the cosmos). Actually, if this were true, you would never leave the earth. Of course, this is assuming that the earth's gravitational force remains constant, the gravitational mass is controlled independently, and the acceleration varies dependently. This would be true if we just used Fe=ma, and assumed that Fe were constant. But keep in mind that there are two things going on here. One is the force of gravity, which we describe (assuming Newtonian mechanics, none of that GR stuff) here to be Fg = G * m1 * m2 / r^2 The other is F=ma. In this case, m1 = the test mass we can control, m2 = the earth mass, and r= radius of the distance between the centers of these masses. Fg is the force experienced by the earth and the test mass (assuming Newton's third law holds true - and looking at the GIT, I don't know anymore). As m1 decreases, Fg decreases. When m1 is zero, so is Fg. Of course, now the earth has forever "lost" its mass. When m1 goes negative, very interesting things happen. Assuming Newton is correct, F1 + F2 = 0, So, F1 = - F2 (That is, if you wrapped an imaginary bubble around the two masses, the two forces should act in equal and opposite directions). Normally, F2=Fg = -F1, such that they act in equal, but opposite directions. But F1+F2=0 = m1*a1 + m2*a2 = 0 = Fg1 - Fg2 So, as m1 ->0-, Fg<0, and the test mass goes flying off the earth because F=G*m1*m2/r^2 and the new force value. But 0=(-m1)*a1 +m2*a2 = Fg1 - Fg2. So, m1*a1 = m2*a2. But this means that m1 wants to fly away from the earth, but m2 wants to fly towards the test mass. Of course, assuming that m1 is not made too negative, the earth will hardly budge. (I think Dr. Robert Forward describes this in Analog magazine in some old issue on negative mass.) This sounds silly to me. However, I believe DeAquino mentions that he lost weight (not necessarily mass). Even if he disregards thermal effects, and induced effects, how do you determine that the test mass lost "mass", and not "weight". How do you test the difference between gravitational mass and inertial mass? What does it mean to just use inertial mass in your equations if it has no real substance? This might be possible if the entire craft were enclosed in this "field". But you need to supply current externally from a source. So, you will always have a positive gravitational mass connected to your varying gravitational mass. This external mass can serve as your mass m2 in the above equations. Boom. Just vary the location of your external m2, and off you go in the opposite direction. Of course, this would be sublight speed (assuming special relativistic effects still hold true), since your external mass is always slowing you down. I don't see this being a problem regarding your control law. This all sounds like a Gedanken experiment. Let's see some test data. Good luck on your experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 19:10:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19936; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:10:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:10:08 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Negative Mass Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:09:30 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <003701bf7ef2$1d93e3c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> <00d401bf7f2e$bdc09000$149c10cf@drosigno> In-Reply-To: <00d401bf7f2e$bdc09000$149c10cf@drosigno> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA19907 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-nIp3.0.Pt4.GAVju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:22:11 -0500, David Rosignoli wrote: [snip] >This might be possible if the entire craft were enclosed in this "field". >But you need to supply current externally from a source. [snip] Not if the current comes from an on-board generator, and is internal to the "field". Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 21:19:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA22592; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:18:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:18:37 -0800 X-Sender: klicco@pop.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38B58AED.578C@cyberportal.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:22:33 +1300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Paul Callender Subject: Re: De Aquino and Schappeller Resent-Message-ID: <"Zl1nN1.0.fW5.i2Xju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Whoops, didn't mean to leave everyone hanging. Here is what I've scrounged up on the net so far about Schappeller. I first noticed it in Jerry's Antrigrav correlations http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/deckcorr.htm Did some hunting and found some more bits and pieces: http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/searl3.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5971/searl.html http://www.keelynet.com/energy/magstuff.txt The geocities url shows a basic diagram of schappeller's setup, which struck me as having almost all the same materials in a surprisingly similar setup to De Aquino's device. One thing that did interest me was the use of the polarised dielectric inside the copper. I looked it up and the text mentioned that any fields induced in it would be macroscopically distorted at low frequencies. Kinda rang a bell, since De Aquino talks about low frequencies in the dipole antenna. I don't recall De Aquino's paper mentioning a 'polarised' dielectric though. Might be something to try if he hasn't already/ Anyone know if Schappeller wrote any papers or books? PC From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 22:47:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA08394; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:47:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:47:08 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:46:56 EST Subject: How to build yourself a stable Plasmoid... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 30 Resent-Message-ID: <"3rL_X1.0.332.hLYju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, I am glad to present you a very simple experiment that you can conduct yourself with common material that you already have in your house. This experiment will allow you to see and check by yourself that a stable Plasmoid ( an artificial Plasma Ball ) can be created in air ( at a pressure of one atmosphere ). This simple and basic experiment is one of the main part of the working principle of an enhanced EHD Plasma reactor used in some advanced flying crafts ( see the Active GDP skin principle page in my web site )... If you wan to know more see at : http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/oa_plasmoid.htm Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 23:43:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA18816; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:40:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:40:10 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: How to build yourself a stable Plasmoid... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:51:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20000225075136125.AAA258@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"h8gDd1.0.rb4.Q7Zju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean-Louis, I just had a look at this, and the thruster page. Incredible! Knuke >Dear All, > >I am glad to present you a very simple experiment that you can conduct >yourself with common material that you already have in your house. This >experiment will allow you to see and check by yourself that a stable Plasmoid >( an artificial Plasma Ball ) can be created in air ( at a pressure of one >atmosphere ). This simple and basic experiment is one of the main part of the >working principle of an enhanced EHD Plasma reactor used in some advanced >flying crafts ( see the Active GDP skin principle page in my web site )... > >If you wan to know more see at : > > http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/oa_plasmoid.htm > >Best Regards > >Jean-Louis Naudin > > Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 24 23:56:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22016; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:56:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:56:03 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:55:29 EST Subject: A New Plasmoid test run To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 30 Resent-Message-ID: <"1VgWB2.0.uN5.JMZju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, You will find a new plasmoid test with a new setup in my web site. You will find better pictures and a new video with some interesting additional comments. Some various shapes of glass vessels have been also tested, such as a cylindrical and an hemispherical shape. With these shapes, the plasmoid was erratic and unable to remain stable. The best shape is a kind of spherical vessel with the toothpick placed in its. The humming frequency ( 150 Hz ) of this new plasmoid is lower than the previous ( 250 Hz ). The previous plasmoid diameter was 80 mm and this plasmoid diameter is 40 mm. If you want to know more see at : http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/oa_plsm3.htm Please, if you succeed to create yourself a successful and stable plasmoid, send me the picture and a simple short recorded plasmoid sound ( in wav ), I shall be glad to open a Plasmoid pictures gallery... Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 02:20:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA06978; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:20:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:20:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:20:06 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: A New Plasmoid test run Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"xAs2F.0.xi1.STbju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jean-Louis - Have you tried placing a magnet near the top of the glass vessels to check for any effects from a strong local magnetic field on the plasma ball? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 04:37:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA22590; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:36:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:36:39 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <90.122b30e.25e7d133@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:36:03 EST Subject: Re: A New Plasmoid test run To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id EAA22570 Resent-Message-ID: <"722Au.0.tW5.NTdju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dans un courrier daté du 25/02/00 11:21:22 Paris, Madrid, rick@mail.highsurf.com a écrit : > Jean-Louis - > > Have you tried placing a magnet near the top of the glass vessels to > check for any effects from a strong local magnetic field on the > plasma ball? > > - Rick Monteverde I have not yet tested this setup, this is soon planed. Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 04:44:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA24088; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:43:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <38B67920.2E8D@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:44:16 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla Coil Safety Sheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F7VyL3.0.Gu5.vZdju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.pupman.com/safety.htm -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 05:35:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA03090; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:35:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:35:23 -0800 Message-ID: <38B68522.7C1D9376@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:35:30 -0500 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) RELIGION References: <20000224.095743.-422037.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> <38B593D1.8AD9893F@microtec.net> <38B59AAC.CC90347C@dabney.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"64HPF2.0.Bm.QKeju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am a christian too, but my religion soo much exagerated about what's good and bad...would you believe that too much light is darkness. The point is, Armageddon is earth based. It makes a whole deal about the end of the world. but if we colonise space...the point is...WHICH WORLD...heh heh heh. if we can make it to space in time and settle up around stars and planets, the absolute truth will be obsolete, but in order to preserve it's truthfulness, then something must happen before we reach the stars. Emmett Hawkins wrote: > patrick tremblay wrote: > > > No I am referring to space colonisation. As you should know, religion is Earth > > based, once we have established colonies to other star systems and planets and built > > other civilisation, religion will be obsolete because all of it's prophecies and > > concerns are Earth based, nothing is said about space colonisation. > > I personally am a Christian and believe in such a thing as absolute > truth. This is not earth based, truth is truth regardless of where you > are in the universe. It's not tied to earth and neither is Christianity. > Also, religion is what determines an individual's actions and beliefs, > and as such I don't think religion will ever be obsolete, but perhaps > you are thinking of something different when you say religion. > > > So the issue is this, if armaggeddon is to happen, it is to happen before all those > > colonisation of space, so in the next 40 years we should get all of those answers. > > Cause I estimate that in about 40 years overunity and antigravity will have gone > > public and space companies will build revolutionary space transport systems. > > This is an interesting thought you've brought out. I personally do not > believe in "Armageddon" in the way that most people do. (i.e. the world > being physically destroyed in some catastrophe) I hope you're right > about overunity and antigravity in the next 40 years, that would be > great. And the fact that humans will move beyond earth does not shake my > faith at all, although I realize it may for some. > > -- > Emmett Hawkins > Red-Leader@Dabney.com , XWingPilot@email.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 05:45:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA06681; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:44:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: <38B6875F.3193E667@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:45:03 -0500 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) Re: RELIGION References: <20000224220207.51078.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9zABw.0.He1.ITeju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com of course, I agree with you that the leaders will twist the beliefs. At last someone in the list with a critical unbiased mind. But the "REVELATION" of space exploration and EXPLOITATION will bring catastrophic changes in religion, unless something ( armageddon ?) happens before. Because if we can colonise space and establish ultra-high tech outposts we won't fear the end of the "world". Are you going to say to your children ( if not cyborgs by then ) that a guy named Jesus Died on the cross on earth, a planet 100 million light years from there in the galaxy of the milky way while you are in the andromedea galaxy ? No, this is going to be sheer nonesense. Something has got to happen anytime soon. I am a believer, but...it's not technological advances and evolutionnary theories that makes me question my own beliefs it's the exageration of the control religion tries to bring. So I encourage space exploration, it shall bring a lot of answers. And what about TIME TRAVEL ? with sophisticated space ships that feat could be accomplished, we could go back in time and verify the religious facts. But dying on earth as a battered religious fool is not how I plan my future, I am going in space and time, hopefully antigravity and overunity will be very advanced in the next 40 years. Timothy Flytch wrote: > I Don't think so... the religious leaders will twist and change their > beliefs to fit... Religion will continue... For as long as there is man > there has been, and always will be religion... > Timothy... > > >No I am referring to space colonisation. As you should know, religion is > >Earth > >based, once we have established colonies to other star systems and planets > >and built > >other civilisation, religion will be obsolete because all of it's > >prophecies and > >concerns are Earth based, nothing is said about space colonisation. > > > >So the issue is this, if armaggeddon is to happen, it is to happen before > >all those > >colonisation of space, so in the next 40 years we should get all of those > >answers. > > > >Cause I estimate that in about 40 years overunity and antigravity will have > >gone > >public and space companies will build revolutionary space transport > >systems. > > > >tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:35:11 -0500 patrick tremblay > > > writes: > > > > once we have overunity and antigravity, we can build powerful > > > spaceships and > > > > then we will be in a position of verification and experimentation of > > > religious > > > > facts. > > > > > > How? What does space travel have anything to do with religion? > >Are you > > > referring to possible (though not probable) extraterrestrial > > > civilizations? I know this is off the topic of this list, but this > > > comment is highly intruiging. > > > > > > -Tom Grimes > > > > > > mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > >From Newspaper Headlines: > > > "Women's movement called more broad-based." > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 06:50:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA25882; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:49:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:49:57 -0800 Message-ID: <38B696AF.14E05629@dabney.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:50:23 -0600 From: "Emmett Hawkins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) RELIGION References: <20000224.095743.-422037.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> <38B593D1.8AD9893F@microtec.net> <38B59AAC.CC90347C@dabney.com> <38B68522.7C1D9376@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"11Xy7.0.JK6.LQfju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com patrick tremblay wrote: > > I am a christian too, > > but my religion soo much exagerated about what's good and bad...would you believe > that too much light is darkness. I'm not sure I follow you here, could you elaborate? > The point is, Armageddon is earth based. It makes a whole deal about the end of the world. > but if we colonise space...the point is...WHICH WORLD...heh heh heh. Which is why I don't believe the Bible teaches "Armageddon" the way most people have come to think of it. I don't think the end of history will be the physical destruction of earth, because as you pointed out, this wouldn't matter that much if we're able to live elsewhere. > if we can make it to space in time and settle up around stars and planets, the absolute > truth will be obsolete, but in order to preserve it's truthfulness, then something must > happen before we reach the stars. Woah, here's where I disagree. The whole meaning of "absolute truth" is that it's true in all places and in all times. It was true and relevant at creation, it is now and will be until the end of time. (Notice I say end of time, not the earth!) -- Emmett Hawkins Red-Leader@Dabney.com , XWingPilot@email.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 07:06:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA32594; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:06:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: <38B69A77.C1FD17D0@dabney.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:06:31 -0600 From: "Emmett Hawkins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (off topic) Re: RELIGION References: <20000224220207.51078.qmail@hotmail.com> <38B6875F.3193E667@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WbDpu3.0.7z7.Sffju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com patrick tremblay wrote: > Are you going to say to your children ( if not cyborgs by then ) that a guy > named Jesus Died on the cross on earth, a planet 100 million light years from > there in the galaxy of the milky way while you are in the andromedea galaxy ? I would say yes. Mankind will still be sinners so Christ's work will be just as relevant to them as it is to us today. That He came to the speck called earth 2000 years ago is, I think, beside the point. > No, this is going to be sheer nonesense. Something has got to happen anytime > soon. We may have more time than the 40 years that has been mentioned. I think and hope we can colonize mars in that time, but until we invent "hyperspace" or some form of space travel faster than light speed we really won't be able to leave this solar system. And besides mars, we don't even know of any planets out there that will support life. It will take much longer to find these and colonize them. Free energy and antigravity will be a huge step, but it's going to take more before we can sever all ties with earth. > And what about TIME TRAVEL ? with sophisticated space ships that feat could be > accomplished, we could go back in time and verify the religious facts. At least we could verify whether Einstein's theory is right. :-) If not, time travel won't be possible. -- Emmett Hawkins Red-Leader@Dabney.com , XWingPilot@email.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 07:36:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA10578; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:36:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:36:41 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: A New Plasmoid test run Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:48:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20000225154808531.AAA282@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id HAA10558 Resent-Message-ID: <"pWtkR.0.Ab2.86gju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick and JL write: >Dans un courrier daté du 25/02/00 11:21:22 Paris, Madrid, >rick@mail.highsurf.com a écrit : >> Jean-Louis - >> >> Have you tried placing a magnet near the top of the glass vessels to >> check for any effects from a strong local magnetic field on the >> plasma ball? >> >> - Rick Monteverde > >I have not yet tested this setup, this is soon planed. > >Regards > >Jean-Louis Naudin Maybe try holding a burning toothpick near the GDP panel, too? Carefully, of course. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 08:03:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA20128; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:03:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:03:20 -0800 Message-Id: <200002251612.OAA22909@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:07:40 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: De Aquino and Schappeller Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <38B58AED.578C@cyberportal.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"9hMWp.0.Lw4.7Vgju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > The geocities url shows a basic diagram of schappeller's setup, which > struck me as having almost all the same materials in a surprisingly similar > setup to De Aquino's device. > Huummm, not quite ... Professor Fran de Aquino's device is a steel toroid with an antena inside. Inside the steel toroid there is another toroid, pure iron. To short the antenna, the pure iron toroid is filled with iron powder. The antenna is made from 1/2" cooper tube, with nothing inside. The whole device weights about 35 kg and when applying 60 Hz @ 300 A to the antenna, the device looses about 22.1 kg ! Professor Fran calculated 400 A will null the gravitational mass of the device. Suggest a carefull reading/studying of the document at : http://xxx.if.usp.br/html/gr-qc/9910036 Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 10:40:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA05083; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:39:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:39:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011201bf7fbf$79697a20$5be135ca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: The search for neutrinos ? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:35:34 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bC49O.0.pE1.umiju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A question: Was it neutrinos or was it anti-neutrinos ??? I remember reading about a search for neutrinos emitted by our sun. If I remember correctly, there was supposed to be a mine-shaft with detectors planted in a large water tank (Japan ?) or some such scheme for detecting what was reckoned to be only barely detectable. I seem to recall that the calculated emission from the sun was supposed to be quite enormous, but they couldn't figure out how to detect it (???) I have only got email access at the moment so if some enlightened soul would be kind enough to refresh my memory of what they were searching for, I would dearly appreciate it. composed and sent from Paul E. Anderson's computer (with or without my permission) ============================== ICQ 52281118 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 10:40:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA05138; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:39:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:39:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011101bf7fbf$78986e80$5be135ca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:26:44 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VYhnn3.0.4G1.4niju"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Remember this ? > From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: 2000 February 10, Thursday 05:19 Subject: Re: Mass and measurement |On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:45:09 +0700, xplorer wrote: |[snip] |>|The problem with this is that the mass of the proton varies from element to |>|element (or at least if you divide the proton proportion of the total mass |>|by the number of protons, you get a different number for each element). |>|The same is true of neutrons. |>|So "weighing" by numbers of protons is pointless, which is precisely why |>the |>|amu is used. |> |>It was my understanding that the mass of a proton doesn't actually change, |>rather that each different 'collection' of protons has differing amounts of |>'collective mass'. | |Consider the fact that a protium nucleus weighs _more_ than any proton in |any other element. |If protons retained their mass in a collective, then it would be necessary |to incorporate actual physical negative mass in the collective nucleus with |them, in order to explain the fact that the collectives weigh _less_ than |the sum of their parts. (If this in fact happens, then we are onto the |source of anti-gravity btw). |> |>The difference is that we measure the mass of a multiple-particle nucleus, |>but we have seen some of the mass "converted" to energy [fusion]. >Theory< |>I suspect that mass is actually a characteristic of the geometry of energy |>in motion. |> |>In order to perceive these relative differences, I reckon it important to |>"take off the Carbon-12 tinted glasses" so we can see better what happens |>when particles gather in a nucleus. | |You are of course free to use anything as your basic unit of measure, as |long as it doesn't change with what you are measuring. |The amu was chosen, simply because it is convenient. |> |>I am beginning to believe that "mass" is simply |>an artifact of the geometry of energy in motion, |>that gravity is only the side-effect of . |>energetic distortions of the fabric of space. |> |>Gamma rays, etc may simply the fabric of space being released |>by a bit of a twist which was clenching it before unraveling. |>(Maybe the amount of 'mass' is simply the degree to which |> a bit of space is condensed by a vortex). | |Go for it. The more ideas the better. | |> |>At any rate, I see elsewhere the value of the mass of a proton to be 1.00734 |>AMU, |> leaving me to derive it to be 1.672729e-27 kg | |This is of course the mass of a single lone proton not part of any other |nucleus. |[snip] | |Regards, | |Robin van Spaandonk | So perhaps the mass of a single proton inside a nucleus is 'perceived' as being less due to antigravity effects - a la De Aquino. Looking at the periodic chart, you see the 'mass defect' (apt name !) increasing from hydrogen through to iron, decreasing thereafter. Why ? The protons and neutrons are dancing. Their movement relative each other produces an antigravity effect ? Heavier than Iron the dance becomes too complicated ? How ? I don't know, but I'll bet we can sort it out ... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 13:23:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27157; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:23:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:23:15 -0800 Message-ID: <38B6F2EC.5B41@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:23:56 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Ockham's Razer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fwy0x3.0.Ce6.3Blju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com "With all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one." -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 13:37:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA32374; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:37:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:37:07 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: Zero Mass Experiment Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:36:32 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01bf7fd8$61d51040$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011101bf7fbf$78986e80$5be135ca@xplornote> Resent-Message-ID: <"PkY0x.0.ev7.3Olju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com List, I am ready to try initial testing of the zero mass antenna coil. Calculations say 0.4Vp-p at 0.23Hz and 34.4 amperes varies mass from 1.3E-23 to -1.25E-23. Now you know why I care about negative mass (which BTW no one seems to agree what happens). My plan is to start at 10Hz and slowly reduce to 0.23Hz. Hope you hear from me Monday. Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 16:27:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20575; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:26:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:26:31 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:25:43 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <6t6ebsc7rccva5ft0n49prt4jkemg8l65o@4ax.com> References: <011101bf7fbf$78986e80$5be135ca@xplornote> In-Reply-To: <011101bf7fbf$78986e80$5be135ca@xplornote> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA20515 Resent-Message-ID: <"RCEKY1.0.O15.ssnju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:26:44 +0700, xplorer wrote: [snip] >|If protons retained their mass in a collective, then it would be necessary >|to incorporate actual physical negative mass in the collective nucleus with >|them, in order to explain the fact that the collectives weigh _less_ than >|the sum of their parts. (If this in fact happens, then we are onto the >|source of anti-gravity btw). [snip] >So perhaps the mass of a single proton inside a nucleus is >'perceived' as being less due to antigravity effects - a la De Aquino. The difference is that energy is released as heavier nuclei (up to Ni) are formed, however according to the De Aquino theory, mass is "lost" without being converted into energy. So it isn't likely that this is the explanation for the mass loss as heavier nuclei are formed. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 16:37:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23944; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:34:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:34:45 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero Mass Experiment Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:33:16 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <011101bf7fbf$78986e80$5be135ca@xplornote> <006c01bf7fd8$61d51040$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <006c01bf7fd8$61d51040$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA23879 Resent-Message-ID: <"VTa822.0.1s5.a-nju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:36:32 -0500, Steve Burns wrote: >List, >I am ready to try initial testing of the zero mass antenna coil. >Calculations say 0.4Vp-p at 0.23Hz and 34.4 amperes varies mass from 1.3E-23 >to -1.25E-23. Now you know why I care about negative mass (which BTW no one >seems to agree what happens). My plan is to start at 10Hz and slowly reduce >to 0.23Hz. Hope you hear from me Monday. >Steve Just make sure you aren't sitting on the thing when you power it up, and the chances are good we will hear from you ;). (Fred Sparber thinks your best chances lie around 8.3 Hz). BTW be wary of the fact that this thing may resonate with your brain rhythms, so an automatic cutoff after some period of time might be good idea. One last question: why not try DC as well? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 25 17:13:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA04154; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:12:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:12:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01bf7fd8$61d51040$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> References: <006c01bf7fd8$61d51040$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:12:37 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Zero Mass Experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"q74Vr2.0.p01.CYoju"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Good luck Steve! Please post results whatever the outcome. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI >List, >I am ready to try initial testing of the zero mass antenna coil. >Calculations say 0.4Vp-p at 0.23Hz and 34.4 amperes varies mass from 1.3E-23 >to -1.25E-23. Now you know why I care about negative mass (which BTW no one >seems to agree what happens). My plan is to start at 10Hz and slowly reduce >to 0.23Hz. Hope you hear from me Monday. >Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 26 12:41:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29820; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:38:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:38:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B839F4.5A9B@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:39:16 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Radiant Energy Frequency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tgM1E1.0.lH7.Id3ku"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear list members, Here is the coveted radiant energy frequency of Dr. Moray and of recent, myself... *** 190 nanometers *** It is at this wavelength that the oxygen molecule will resonate and absorb energy. When this exited molecule falls back down to its ground-state monatomic oxygen is freed and will combine with diatomic oxygen creating ozone. Freed monatomic oxygen may even recombine to form ozone. Harmonics of this frequency can also be utilized but the optinum wavelength is the frequency given in this post. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 26 14:20:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA19931; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:19:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:19:39 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Frequency Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:19:03 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <23kgbsc4b8r3fk32cpu1houu5t6euhe0k9@4ax.com> References: <38B839F4.5A9B@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38B839F4.5A9B@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA19910 Resent-Message-ID: <"s3xZd1.0.Kt4.w55ku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:39:16 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: >Dear list members, > >Here is the coveted radiant energy frequency of >Dr. Moray and of recent, myself... > > *** 190 nanometers *** > >It is at this wavelength that the oxygen molecule will resonate >and absorb energy. When this exited molecule falls back down to >its ground-state monatomic oxygen is freed and will combine with >diatomic oxygen creating ozone. Freed monatomic oxygen may even >recombine to form ozone. Harmonics of this frequency can also be >utilized but the optinum wavelength is the frequency given in >this post. Why is this so secret, and what does it have to do with OU? (190 nm is about 6.525 eV / photon, which is larger than the actual energy difference between two oxygen atoms and an oxygen molecule (slightly more than 5 eV, so this is no surprise). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 27 05:50:18 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA10853; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 05:49:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 05:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <38B92BAA.7EF0@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:50:34 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free energy fer all! References: <001701bf80e7$0dc9e880$b3a270d1@markross> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1d71v2.0.Pf2.3kIku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com sparky wrote: > > Look at this guys! > http://www.rqm.ch/eng/pros_e5.htm > Let me know what you think about it! > (:o)) I do not know what to think. So far they haven't offered any meat for us to sink our teeth into. If you want to get a closer look then check out their patent that I have provided, http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/rqm.pdf This doesant make a whole lot of sense too me. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 27 06:02:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA14256; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:02:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:02:04 -0800 Message-ID: <38B92E83.3858@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:02:43 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Pond Scum to get hydrogen gas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ia93L2.0.fU3.RvIku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com When I viewed the article that was posted the other day about getting hydrogen from "pond scum" at first glance it appeared that not enough hydrogen could be generated to make it worth the effort. However, CNN aired a short clip and it appears that the method is indeed worth looking into. Check out this article that I scanned in about two years ago. http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/bug.pdf If this "bug battery" were to use the hydrogen generating algae then we would have a sure winner. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 27 06:15:17 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA17118; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:15:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:15:01 -0800 Message-ID: <38B9318D.4C66@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:15:41 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Frequency References: <38B839F4.5A9B@cyberportal.net> <23kgbsc4b8r3fk32cpu1houu5t6euhe0k9@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BuV7E2.0.NB4.a5Jku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:39:16 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > >Dear list members, > > > >Here is the coveted radiant energy frequency of > >Dr. Moray and of recent, myself... > > > > *** 190 nanometers *** > > > >It is at this wavelength that the oxygen molecule will resonate > >and absorb energy. When this exited molecule falls back down to > >its ground-state monatomic oxygen is freed and will combine with > >diatomic oxygen creating ozone. Freed monatomic oxygen may even > >recombine to form ozone. Harmonics of this frequency can also be > >utilized but the optinum wavelength is the frequency given in > >this post. > Why is this so secret, and what does it have to do with OU? > (190 nm is about 6.525 eV / photon, which is larger than the actual energy > difference between two oxygen atoms and an oxygen molecule (slightly more > than 5 eV, so this is no surprise). It's not a secret now, and never really was, it was just over-looked. This is the key to "over-unity" in my own experience. When you view my pending patent you may see the correlation. The again, you may not. Be forwarned, I will not take you by the hand, you will have realy on own thought processes... you have the key it is up to you if you use it or not. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 27 06:28:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA19287; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:28:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:28:28 -0800 Message-ID: <38B934B6.3345@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:29:10 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Frequency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"syhWV.0.Fj4.CIJku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Zack, Thanks for the conversion. This is the frequency that generates ozone from oxygen molecules. If you have read my pending patent yet then you will begin to understand why this is the magic wavelength in my humble opinion. -Bruce A. Perreault Zack Widup wrote: > > 190 nm = 1900 angstroms = 1.579 X 10^15 Hz. This is in the ultraviolet > part of the spectrum. > > Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 27 13:21:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA16538; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:20:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:20:26 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free energy fer all! Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:19:47 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <001701bf80e7$0dc9e880$b3a270d1@markross> <38B92BAA.7EF0@cyberportal.net> In-Reply-To: <38B92BAA.7EF0@cyberportal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA16511 Resent-Message-ID: <"LxzI52.0.F24.PKPku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:50:34 -0500, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: >sparky wrote: >> >> Look at this guys! >> http://www.rqm.ch/eng/pros_e5.htm >> Let me know what you think about it! >> (:o)) > > >I do not know what to think. So far they haven't >offered any meat for us to sink our teeth into. >If you want to get a closer look then check out >their patent that I have provided, > >http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/rqm.pdf > >This doesant make a whole lot of sense too me. The document at http://www.rqm.ch/engl/rqfpres4.htm offers somewhat of an explanation. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 04:09:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA16093; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:08:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:08:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BA6557.6F5D@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:08:55 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: EVGray Motor Story Hoax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hOBqR2.0.Kx3.vKcku"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com With no disrespect to Jerry Decker, the EVGray motors that are shown by the masked man has to be a hoax. http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m8027.html Edwin V. Gray developed conversion tubes that replaced spark-gaps and this allowed any off-the-shelf electric motor to run. http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US04595975__ -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 04:16:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA04972; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:15:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:15:18 -0800 Message-ID: <38BA66FD.2E9E@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:15:57 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: EVGray Motor Story Hoax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wljRo2.0.bD1.LRcku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com When you look at Edvin V. Gray's conversion tube patent please note that it is EXPIRED as his previous patent is. No one can own an expired patent. Anyone can manufacture these inventions. An oil company owning Gray's patent is an outright fabrication. Sorry Jerry, it looks like someone has pulled the old wool over you're eyes again. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 08:03:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA00479; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:03:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:03:09 -0800 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:04:18 -0500 Subject: Re: The search for neutrinos ? Message-ID: <20000228.105359.-404427.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,11-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"DDP8S3.0.O7.zmfku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mr. Anderson, If I recall aright, the detected level of neutrinos emitted from our sun is far below what is predicted. However, it has recently been determined that they can change their "flavor" (I think that's the term, but I usually get QM terms mixed up) and only one type is directly detectable (at present). So, the neutrino problem is pretty well solved (if I am remembering correctly). The two largest detectors are stationed in Japan and the US. Both consist of huge underground tanks of super pure water. Occasionally, a neutrino will interact with a water molecule to produce a small flash of light, and the walls of the tank are lined with photodetectors. -Tom Grimes mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com ----------------------------------------- >From Newspaper Headlines: "Women's movement called more broad-based." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 09:02:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA19425; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:02:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:02:21 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: RE: Zero Mass Experiment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: <007801bf820d$735a80c0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"DF8A32.0.Dl4.Qegku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Robin, I am aware of BW effects of ELF. Interesting that the recent Mexico city UFO sightings produces hospitalizations of people with close proximity. Symptoms were disorientation and flu like. Best- Steve -----Original Message----- From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 7:33 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero Mass Experiment On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:36:32 -0500, Steve Burns wrote: >List, >I am ready to try initial testing of the zero mass antenna coil. >Calculations say 0.4Vp-p at 0.23Hz and 34.4 amperes varies mass from 1.3E-23 >to -1.25E-23. Now you know why I care about negative mass (which BTW no one >seems to agree what happens). My plan is to start at 10Hz and slowly reduce >to 0.23Hz. Hope you hear from me Monday. >Steve Just make sure you aren't sitting on the thing when you power it up, and the chances are good we will hear from you ;). (Fred Sparber thinks your best chances lie around 8.3 Hz). BTW be wary of the fact that this thing may resonate with your brain rhythms, so an automatic cutoff after some period of time might be good idea. One last question: why not try DC as well? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 10:28:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA17222; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:27:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:27:06 -0800 Message-ID: <024c01bf8219$5d441740$5be135ca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:25:20 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0TDUN2.0.-C4.wthku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Robin, I could use a bit of a hint here: In going through the periodic table, I am looking at what they term the 'mass defect'. The way I was taught to calculate it: Mdefect = Z - Mz where: Mdefect is the mass defect Z is the number of protons & neutrons and Mz is the (actual) measured atomic mass of the element in AMU's. Mz is more often given in MeV however, where 1 AMU is 931.4943200 MeV For instance: Z - Mz = mass defect Carbon 12 is: (6+6) - 12.000 = 0 (0.0 MeV) Beryllium 9 is: 9.012180 - (4+5) = 0.012180 (11.348 MeV) Sodium 23 is: 22.989770 - (11 + 23) = - 0.01023 (-9.53 MeV) Bismuth 209 is: 208.9804 - (83 + 126) = - 0.0196 (-18.26 MeV) Now, my question is why the calculation is not: Mdefect = ( ( Np * ( Me + Mp ) ) + ( Nn * Mn ) ) - Mz where: Np and Mp and Me are the number and mass of protons and mass of electrons Nn and Mn are the number and mass of neutrons I am presuming they calculate the nucleus without the electrons in orbit, to partially answer my own question, but....! Obviously it leads to a wildly different set of values for mass defects, and I am sure there must be some rational reason for the method, but I sure don't see it. I don't have the latest and greatest reference materials. What absolutely jars me is the thought that the mass defect for, say, Bi204 and Hg204 are calculated from the same base, even though they are composed of radically different sets of neutron/proton ratios. When you count it all up according to the last method, the numbers are *very* different from the textbooks. Any ideas on this ? composed and sent from Paul E. Anderson's computer (with or without my permission) ============================== ICQ 52281118 | From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 10:45:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA22619; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:45:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:45:05 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: Negative Mass Experiment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: <009d01bf821b$cdec5a50$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01BF81F1.E5165250" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6t6ebsc7rccva5ft0n49prt4jkemg8l65o@4ax.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"_sYqC3.0.iW5.j8iku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01BF81F1.E5165250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See Attachment. 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"Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: Re: EVGray Motor Story Hoax References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yvsau.0.Pc6.FOiku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Zack Widup wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > > > With no disrespect to Jerry Decker, the EVGray motors that > > are shown by the masked man has to be a hoax. > > > > http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m8027.html > > > > Edwin V. Gray developed conversion tubes that replaced > > spark-gaps and this allowed any off-the-shelf electric motor > > to run. > > > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US04595975__ > > > > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > Hi Bruce, > > Is this different from Gray's original patent? I have a copy of the > original patent. > > Zack This was his first 1976 patent http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=US03890548__ These two patents I accidently found a few years ago when conducting a search for other patents. My key word was conversion and when I saw the titles I then looked up the patents. To my surprise these Gray's name appeared. Like everyone else I had thought that his 1976 patent was the end of the line. These patents prove that he went beyond his original 1976 design. 1986 http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=US04595975__ 1987 http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=US04661747__ -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 11:14:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA26538; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:14:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:14:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BAC90F.1C92@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:14:23 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Standard Fuel Cell Info References: <200002261629.IAA08793@smtp0.innovation.com> <38BA828F.80DF120E@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9IhMc3.0.PU6.-Ziku"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MARTIN WOLFF wrote: > > Excellent site Rex! At last a site that gives some practical info about how > cells are actually made (not just in theory) and what are the problems with > each. It seems clear that a filter to remove the CO2 from air will be > needed if KOH is the electrolyte. > > What else is interesting is that above atmospheric pressure is used to stop > the electrolyte boiling. Bruce, are you sure your unit does not give off > heat? Are you just running it at a low power density? I see nothing (OK, > nothing obvious) in your patent that your heat generated would be less. There could be some heat with a larger stack. I am building a larger stack this week. However, the goal is 750 watts... this still may not be high enough to see any heat. > > One other thing Bruce, in your original list of materials you indicated > that PVC sheet would be required. Nothing in the patent showed a use for > any kind of plastic unless the PVC is just an insulator, separater or > something else not too important. Is this the case? The PVC sheet is only used to keep the cell together. I did not find it necessary to included the case in the patent. The method is being patented, not the embodiment. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault > > Martin. > > Rex Doane wrote: > > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > > > I found a good discussion of how the Standard Fuel Cell works at: > > http://www.electricboat.com/serv01.htm > > > > The rest of the site has interesting info about small electric boats, of > > course -- this will be a great application for NuEnergy Cells. Gas-powered > > boats are one of the worst sources of water pollution, as well as noise > > pollution. > > > > Rex From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 12:01:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA14864; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:00:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:00:17 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: The search for neutrinos ? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:11:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20000228201146062.AAA151@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"lVmoC1.0.9e3.GFjku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ted, I am not all that familiar with neutrino science either, but from the intro material that I can recall, you are correct about everything in the detectors except the for super pure water part. The water is actually heavy water, if I remember that right. I'll try and dig out some refs in the near future, right now I'm a bit busy. Knuke >Mr. Anderson, > > If I recall aright, the detected level of neutrinos emitted from our sun >is far below what is predicted. However, it has recently been determined >that they can change their "flavor" (I think that's the term, but I >usually get QM terms mixed up) and only one type is directly detectable >(at present). So, the neutrino problem is pretty well solved (if I am >remembering correctly). The two largest detectors are stationed in Japan >and the US. Both consist of huge underground tanks of super pure water. >Occasionally, a neutrino will interact with a water molecule to produce a >small flash of light, and the walls of the tank are lined with >photodetectors. > > -Tom Grimes > >mailto:tgrimes1@juno.com >----------------------------------------- >From Newspaper Headlines: >"Women's movement called more broad-based." > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 15:47:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA24570; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:47:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:47:09 -0800 Message-ID: <38BB08F7.145740F4@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:47:03 -0800 From: eks1 Reply-To: eks1@earthlink.net Organization: Systems Research Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EVGray Motor Story "Hoax"? References: <38BA6557.6F5D@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CAE4B3E40D9CB9E64700758C" Resent-Message-ID: <"wtzSS1.0.k_5.yZmku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------CAE4B3E40D9CB9E64700758C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruce A. Perreault" wrote: > With no disrespect to Jerry Decker, the EVGray motors that > are shown by the masked man has to be a hoax. > > http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m8027.html > > Edwin V. Gray developed conversion tubes that replaced > spark-gaps and this allowed any off-the-shelf electric motor > to run. > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US04595975__ > > -Bruce A. Perreault Nope, not a hoax! I saw Ed's motors right here in Van Nuys, CA between 1972 and 1978 - I met with him several times, both at the Van Nuys auto shop and at the downtown LA offices he rented. THE MOTORS SHOWN IN THE PHOTOS ARE GENUINE ED GRAY DESIGNS! As for the tubes, it seems Ed never went much past the initial prototype stage with the "inverter" as he was fond of calling it! As an aside, once when I met with him, he showed me a small (10"x20") drawing of an antigravity-engine design that he was toying with. He said that:"The Spark Discharge Engine point the way towards this.." I often wonder what ever became of that little drawing?? (From 1973 thru 1975 I was working at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory on the JPL/DOT Automotive Power System Evaluation Study...my superiors warned me that 'even peripherial involvment in the fringe science arena was probably not good for my career..' when they learned that I had looked into Ed Gray's engine and a number of other potiential OU devices. Looking back, it was a terse time because of the Arab embargos, the socalled "oil shortage", the trumped-up "crisis" created by the media and the crooks in government! Nonetheless, I went completely underground with my investigations and left JPL in 1976 to consult and then joined a major Eastern Bank R&D group in 1978 - no one there cared a tinkers damn about backyard inventions and they never asked us to sign over any patent rights until 1995 - which was just 3 years before I left. Needless to say I never did sign those documents! ;)) I never met Dorothy, Ed was in the divorce&remarry process when I met with him a number of us knew he had passed away from a heart attack in 1993, and were sorry that "someone closest to Ed" had asked we not attend his memorial. I guess this must have been Dorothy, and we respected the wish, sending cards of heart- felt condolences to a PO box Ed had in San Berdoo. It seems to me Ed had both a son and daughter...they might be a part of the new group. If those motors in the pics arent Ed's then they are modelled EXACTLY after his designs, and I wouldnt be at all surprised to learn that some small consortium has arisen to take the motor to market - at last! Three cheers if it works, and thanks to Jerry for the information in any case! --- "When it comes to paradigms, you must shift for yourself!" - Anon |-----------------------| | Systems Research Ltd. |------->"Any real-world system is more.. |-----------------------| ..than the mere sum of it's parts!" Erik K. Sorgatz (KB6LUY) http://home.earthlink.net/~eks1 --------------CAE4B3E40D9CB9E64700758C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

"Bruce A. Perreault" wrote:

With no disrespect to Jerry Decker, the EVGray motors that
are shown by the masked man has to be a hoax.

http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m8027.html

Edwin V. Gray developed conversion tubes that replaced
spark-gaps and this allowed any off-the-shelf electric motor
to run.

http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?&pn=US04595975__

         -Bruce A. Perreault

 Nope, not a hoax! I saw Ed's motors right here in Van Nuys, CA between
1972 and 1978 - I met with him several times, both at the Van Nuys auto shop
and at the downtown LA offices he rented.  THE MOTORS SHOWN IN THE
PHOTOS ARE GENUINE ED GRAY DESIGNS! As for the tubes, it seems
Ed never went much past the initial prototype stage with the "inverter" as he was
fond of calling it!  As an aside, once when I met with him, he showed me a small
(10"x20") drawing of an antigravity-engine design that he was toying with. He said
that:"The Spark Discharge Engine point the way towards this.."  I often wonder
what ever became of that little drawing?? (From 1973 thru 1975 I was working
at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory on the JPL/DOT Automotive Power System
Evaluation Study...my superiors warned me that 'even peripherial involvment in
the fringe science arena was probably not good for my career..' when they learned
that I had looked into Ed Gray's engine and a number of other potiential OU
devices. Looking back, it was a terse time because of the Arab embargos, the
socalled "oil shortage", the trumped-up "crisis" created by the media and the crooks
in government!  Nonetheless, I went completely underground with my investigations
and left JPL in 1976 to consult and then joined a major Eastern Bank R&D group
in 1978 - no one there cared a tinkers damn about backyard inventions and they
never asked us to sign over any patent rights until 1995 - which was just 3 years
before I left. Needless to say I never did sign those documents! ;))

 I never met Dorothy, Ed was in the divorce&remarry  process when I met with him
a number of us knew he had passed away from a heart attack in 1993, and were
sorry that "someone closest to Ed" had asked we not attend his memorial. I guess
this must have been Dorothy, and we respected the wish, sending cards of heart-
felt condolences to a PO box Ed had in San Berdoo. It seems to me Ed had both
a son and daughter...they might be a part of the new group.

 If those motors in the pics arent Ed's then they are modelled EXACTLY after his
designs, and I wouldnt be at all surprised to learn that some small consortium has
arisen to take the motor to market - at last!

 Three cheers if it works, and thanks to Jerry for the information in any case!

---
 "When it comes to paradigms, you must shift for yourself!" - Anon

|-----------------------|
| Systems Research Ltd. |------->"Any real-world system is more..
|-----------------------|         ..than the mere sum of it's parts!"
 Erik K. Sorgatz (KB6LUY)             http://home.earthlink.net/~eks1
  --------------CAE4B3E40D9CB9E64700758C-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 28 20:35:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA07546; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:34:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The search for neutrinos ? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:33:34 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <20000228.105359.-404427.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20000228.105359.-404427.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id UAA07449 Resent-Message-ID: <"slQYJ2.0.nr1.Fnqku"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:04:18 -0500, tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: >Mr. Anderson, > > If I recall aright, the detected level of neutrinos emitted from our sun >is far below what is predicted. However, it has recently been determined >that they can change their "flavor" (I think that's the term, but I >usually get QM terms mixed up) and only one type is directly detectable >(at present). So, the neutrino problem is pretty well solved (if I am >remembering correctly). [snip] I was never very favourably impressed by this "proof", which as far as I know goes along the lines of "we detect less than we can explain, but if they change flavour then that would be a good excuse", followed by better measurements of less than expected neutrinos, and the consequent conclusion that they therefore do indeed change flavour. IOW it's a circular argument. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 04:58:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA14435; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:57:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:57:07 -0800 Sender: jack@pop.centurytel.net Message-ID: <38BBD06E.17D67DBC@mail.pc.centuryinter.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:58:06 +0000 From: "Taylor J. Smith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The search for neutrinos ? References: <20000228.105359.-404427.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="x" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="x" Resent-Message-ID: <"uNwby2.0.SX3.Z8yku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: Mr. Anderson, If I recall aright, the detected level of neutrinos emitted from our sun is far below what is predicted. However, it has recently been determined that they can change their "flavor" (I think that's the term, but I usually get QM terms mixed up) and only one type is directly detectable (at present). So, the neutrino problem is pretty well solved (if I am remembering correctly). Robin van Spaandonk wrote: I was never very favourably impressed by this "proof", which as far as I know goes along the lines of "we detect less than we can explain, but if they change flavour then that would be a good excuse", followed by better measurements of less than expected neutrinos, and the consequent conclusion that they therefore do indeed change flavour. IOW it's a circular argument. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Hi Robin, What little presentation of the Super-K data I could find on the web was very amusing: They plotted "hits" against the cosine of the angle on the celestial sphere with the Sun at 0 degrees. Not surprisingly, they obtained a spike at 0 degrees. I did a rough graphical analysis of the same data without the cosine transformation, and found no spike. You know tbe classic line: "Liars, Damned Liars..." Jack Smith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 07:41:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA08665; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:41:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:41:20 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: UFO Radiation and Cold Plasma Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: <00d801bf82cb$532ea100$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"usbw5.0.I72.VY-ku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com UFO guys, I am still struggling with Hill's ("UFO Scientific Analysis") chapter on UFO nuclear radiation and cold plasma plumes. Hill's writing style is to present several case studies at the chapter's beginning and then provide an analysis. He presents five case studies for nuclear radiation, four of which are physical effects and one involves a Geiger counter measurement. The physical effects are surface burns (like sunburn) and flu symptoms (nausea/diarrhea). A quoted doctor speculates radiation poisoning. The Geiger counter distance was ~1Km and read 0.25R/hr. When the object went behind a hill the Geiger reading went to background indicating a shielding effect. Hill rules out charged particle (alpha/beta) since their range in atmosphere is inches. This leaves x/gamma ray radiation. A Geiger counter is a very sensitive on/off device. It tells nothing about the ionizing type or energy, only that it is present. A total x/gamma ray dose of 200R is lethal to humans. Assuming inverse square law, source/(1Km)^2=0.25R/hr or source = 250,000R/hr. In 69 seconds you get a lethal dose and die within weeks. Reports of radiation death due to UFO close encounters are not common. This leads me to rule out x/gamma ray radiation. If negative mass results in a gravitational repulsion force (antigravity or negative mass falls up) then the above become interesting. Assuming an ELF negative mass platform: Strong (radio frequency) EM fields will cause GM tubes to discharge (ELF fields also?). US military research suggests high EM ELF radiation fields below 10Hz produce disorientation and flu like symptoms. Ionized charged particle cold plasma plum underneath (or around) the craft will cause surface burns like sunburn (alpha and beta particles). Consider the following: Paul Hill in his book talks about "ice cream cone" shaped cold plasma plumes reported below hovering UFO's. I did some calculations to see if a slow moving 10 ton disk shaped object counteracting gravity with negative mass could accelerate air nitrogen atoms to a high enough velocity to create secondary ionization (cascading avalanche resulting in a cold plasma). My assumptions are: Disk weight = 10 tons, Disk diameter = 30 feet, Nitrogen atom mass = 2.34E-26 Kg. >From experience, I know a nuclear proportional counter containing a gas at one atmosphere pressure achieves secondary electron/ion ionization around 1500 volts. Making a rough estimate, ~1500eV of energy is needed for secondary electron/ion ionization at one atmosphere. Since kinetic energy = 1/2 mv^2, velocity needed for ionization is 1.43E5 m/s. A 10 ton weight will exert a force on a nitrogen atom resulting in an acceleration (a = F/m) of 3.78E+30m/sec^2. Since velocity equals the integral of acceleration or a * t, time needed to reach the above estimated ionization velocity is 3.79E-26 seconds. Distance = double integral of acceleration or d = v*t. Therefore a nitrogen molecule under the center of the hovering disk will reach ionization velocity 5.42E-21 meters from the disk's lower surface. So a cold plasma will form under the disk. Assuming inverse square law dispersion of the negative mass force, the further from the disk, the longer the molecule travel distances needed to obtain ionization velocity. At some distance from the disk, probability of a molecule obtaining ionization velocity becomes very small due to collisions before the velocity is reached. The plasma will therefore diminish as the square of the distance from the disk. Moreover, since the force at a given point below the disk is a radial integration of disk mass, force at the disk edge will be less than the center. This will result in an "ice cream cone" shaped plasma plume under the disk. Comments? Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 07:55:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA15124; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:54:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:54:59 -0800 Message-ID: <38BBEF19.9EA8142@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:08:58 -0500 From: Mike Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Indirect Reply to Steve Burns UFO Post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"62KLa3.0.9i3.Jl-ku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, It's been fifty years now since the first official ufo sighting of the modern era and still no real evidence? This is getting old. I'd like to offer a potential solution. I have included links below for obtaining satellite images. There are thousands more. Many of them can offer pictures in near real time. The formats range from visual to radar to infra-red to x-ray. Certainly ought to be able to find SOMETHING in there. The best of these sources are private companies who's sole function is to acquire and distribute this data. You supply them with the date, time and location and they'll do the search for images. Hell most will even let you see the image before you buy it so you can make sure it contains the data you want! You can check the reports from years past and keep up with the current ones as they happen. Imagine how happy John Mack would be to find one that caught a saucer hovering outside the girl from New York City's apartment window, the one he wrote sso extensively about. This is like having a room with one door, no windows and a camera on the door and somehow a thief enters the room repeatedly and steals valuable items from the room and it takes the investigators 50 years to think of checking the video! I'm sending this letter to all the big ufo organizations in the country. Let's get some results. 1) French Satellite: http://www.spotimage.fr/spot-us.htm Advertises database of over 6 million images. 2) U.S. Satellites: http://www.mapserver.esri.com/si/html/main.htm Offers: Thermal Mapper IRS Pan IRS LISS IRS LISS II IRS LISS III IKONOS Has 51+ images of Washington State that were taken between Nov., 1999 and the present. I pulled up one of Seattle and clouds show up well and so would anything flying.. Main address for above co. is: http://www.esri.com 3) Russian home page for SPIN-2 satellite data. http://www.sovinformsputnik.com/ 4) Orbimage Co. http://www.orbimage.com/main/main.html Has satellites "Orbview" numbers 1-4 5)Microsoft's database of searchable images from the USGS http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ 6) NIX The NASA image exchange http://nix.nasa.gov/ 7) Geology page server which specializes in searching for information and images SPECIFICALLY on remote sensing sites : http://search.geocomm.com/ Hint: Plug the word "remote" into it and see what you get. 8)Here's NASA's complete resource guide of archived data http://rsd.gsfc.nasa.gov/rsd/RemoteSensing.html 9) Just for fun, here's the address for "The Satellite Encyclopedia" http://www.TBS-satellite.com/tse/ 10) USGS EROS Data Center: http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/ Other Country's Archives: 1)Sweden: http://www.satellus.se/ 2)France: http://www.cnes.fr/ 3)Japan: http://www.eoc.nasda.go.jp/ 4) Germany: http://www.dfd.dlr.de/ 5)Spain: http://www.infocarto.es/ Hope that gets some serious research started. MJ P.S.: Below is a copy of a letter I sent to some of the above companies to gauge their interest in this little project; Hi, I am contacting you with regard to UFO's. Ok, done laughing now? I'm serious. Quite a few people have made a lot of money from this whole alien thing to date and I'd like to see if it is possible to bring some third party, independent evidence to light on it. Or conversely, to prove that there is no evidence and it is a strictly a phenomenon of the experiencer's mind. Rather than spend time digging through your vast quantities of previously aquired satellite images in the hopes of finding something ,I would suggest the following: I will send you a list of current sightings, as they happen, from sources such as the National UfO Reporting Center and MUFON's database. Such sightings having been reported within the previous week. All of them will have the date, time and location of the sighting. All you would have to do is see if an image exists for that particular group of coordinates. If it does it could prove financially rewarding for your company whether it shows a UFO or not and could be profitable for you in publicity/public relations as well. Here is the web address for the national UFO Reporting Center, just in case you'd like to access the data yourselves: http://www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr/ Thanks for considering my idea. The first list will arrive shortly. MJ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 08:15:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA26506; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:15:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:15:33 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: RE: Indirect Reply to Steve Burns UFO Post Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00db01bf82d0$182687d0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38BBEF19.9EA8142@csrlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"NZgCX3.0.3U6.a2_ku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mike, Obviously you are emotionally involved with UFO rhetoric. Personally, I care if they exist. I have had one sighting I know was not a conventional craft. Applying Sturgeon's law to the rhetoric, 95% of reports are garbage. The remaining 5% are interesting. I have not read a UFO book since 1965 except for Hills book that I read last month. Hill attempts to apply Engineering analysis to reports he compiled while working for NASA. I personally think he did an outstanding job. I plan to keep an open mind since I have no way of knowing for sure. IMO for every thousand pictures you provide showing no activity, all I need is one showing attributes of credibility. The nice thing about email is if you do not like the subject you can just "delete key". Best- Steve Burns PS- You definitely want to delete my next post since it shows clearly extra-galactic travel is easily obtainable with DeAquino's theory. Since he has a working experiment, it is hard to argue with success. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Johnston [mailto:enki@csrlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:09 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Indirect Reply to Steve Burns UFO Post Hi, It's been fifty years now since the first official ufo sighting of the modern era and still no real evidence? This is getting old. I'd like to offer a potential solution. I have included links below for obtaining satellite images. There are thousands more. Many of them can offer pictures in near real time. The formats range from visual to radar to infra-red to x-ray. Certainly ought to be able to find SOMETHING in there. The best of these sources are private companies who's sole function is to acquire and distribute this data. You supply them with the date, time and location and they'll do the search for images. Hell most will even let you see the image before you buy it so you can make sure it contains the data you want! You can check the reports from years past and keep up with the current ones as they happen. Imagine how happy John Mack would be to find one that caught a saucer hovering outside the girl from New York City's apartment window, the one he wrote sso extensively about. This is like having a room with one door, no windows and a camera on the door and somehow a thief enters the room repeatedly and steals valuable items from the room and it takes the investigators 50 years to think of checking the video! I'm sending this letter to all the big ufo organizations in the country. Let's get some results. 1) French Satellite: http://www.spotimage.fr/spot-us.htm Advertises database of over 6 million images. 2) U.S. Satellites: http://www.mapserver.esri.com/si/html/main.htm Offers: Thermal Mapper IRS Pan IRS LISS IRS LISS II IRS LISS III IKONOS Has 51+ images of Washington State that were taken between Nov., 1999 and the present. I pulled up one of Seattle and clouds show up well and so would anything flying.. Main address for above co. is: http://www.esri.com 3) Russian home page for SPIN-2 satellite data. http://www.sovinformsputnik.com/ 4) Orbimage Co. http://www.orbimage.com/main/main.html Has satellites "Orbview" numbers 1-4 5)Microsoft's database of searchable images from the USGS http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ 6) NIX The NASA image exchange http://nix.nasa.gov/ 7) Geology page server which specializes in searching for information and images SPECIFICALLY on remote sensing sites : http://search.geocomm.com/ Hint: Plug the word "remote" into it and see what you get. 8)Here's NASA's complete resource guide of archived data http://rsd.gsfc.nasa.gov/rsd/RemoteSensing.html 9) Just for fun, here's the address for "The Satellite Encyclopedia" http://www.TBS-satellite.com/tse/ 10) USGS EROS Data Center: http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/ Other Country's Archives: 1)Sweden: http://www.satellus.se/ 2)France: http://www.cnes.fr/ 3)Japan: http://www.eoc.nasda.go.jp/ 4) Germany: http://www.dfd.dlr.de/ 5)Spain: http://www.infocarto.es/ Hope that gets some serious research started. MJ P.S.: Below is a copy of a letter I sent to some of the above companies to gauge their interest in this little project; Hi, I am contacting you with regard to UFO's. Ok, done laughing now? I'm serious. Quite a few people have made a lot of money from this whole alien thing to date and I'd like to see if it is possible to bring some third party, independent evidence to light on it. Or conversely, to prove that there is no evidence and it is a strictly a phenomenon of the experiencer's mind. Rather than spend time digging through your vast quantities of previously aquired satellite images in the hopes of finding something ,I would suggest the following: I will send you a list of current sightings, as they happen, from sources such as the National UfO Reporting Center and MUFON's database. Such sightings having been reported within the previous week. All of them will have the date, time and location of the sighting. All you would have to do is see if an image exists for that particular group of coordinates. If it does it could prove financially rewarding for your company whether it shows a UFO or not and could be profitable for you in publicity/public relations as well. Here is the web address for the national UFO Reporting Center, just in case you'd like to access the data yourselves: http://www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr/ Thanks for considering my idea. The first list will arrive shortly. MJ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 08:30:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA03936; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:29:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:29:53 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: UFO Noise and Jitter Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00de01bf82d2$19ce3270$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00db01bf82d0$182687d0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"vDMOy.0.Kz.1G_ku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, Since UFO's seems to be a responsive subject, consider the following: Hill's chapter on hovering UFO humming noise is interesting regarding DeAquino's theory. Again, there were case studies and then analysis. Hill's conclusion is the noise source is not internal to the object but is created in the environment by the object. Attributes are- the hum frequency seems to increase (as much as an octave?) just before takeoff. The hum shakes house walls back and forth and is physically felt by witnesses. Not everyone hears the hum but most feel its effect. Objects over water seen to create a jagged wave pattern directly below the object. Hill rules out ultrasonic frequencies due to their directivity and inability to physically shake an object at relatively large distances. He concludes the hum is due to some force field. He states a musician could possibly give insight into the hum frequency. I can easily see how a subsonic antigravity force could produce the attributes except for the first one. Calculations I have done with ELF show a reduction in frequency results in a stronger gravity repulsion field. An ELF antigravity field varies repelling more and then less with the sine wave frequency and amplitude. An equal amplitude lower sine wave field would shake objects a greater displacement distance. My experience with shaker tables says from 10Hz to about 200Hz, objects exhibit resonance frequencies like a car dashboard vibrating at specific speeds. Assuming a sine wave force field is distorted as it propagates into the environment, a lower fundamental frequency energy and higher harmonic frequency energies (Fourier analysis) result. The stronger antigravity field harmonics could resonate more of the environment summing together as a perceived higher frequency pitch. Keep in mind the higher frequency field makes the craft hover while the lower frequency field makes the craft accelerate up to 9,000 mph (from radar measurements). This is a big difference in field intensity. BTW, the craft up/down "jitter" Hill reports is possibly due to the ELF sine wave changing negative mass values slightly. Comments? Steve Burns From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 08:58:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA14749; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:57:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:57:41 -0800 Message-Id: <200002291703.OAA01822@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Interact@keelynet.com, energy21 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:58:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DIY Plasma - Very interestinf ! Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"6MDDI3.0.Mc3.4g_ku"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://members.aol.com/uhaumann2/plasma/eplasma.htm Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 10:17:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA10742; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:17:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:17:22 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:16:42 EST Subject: A New Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 30 Resent-Message-ID: <"NqCvF3.0.kd2.nq0lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, I have updated my web site with a new Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. With this new enhanced setup the plasmoid generator is able to self-ignite without a lighter. When the microwave oven is switched on, the plasmoid start quickly and remains stable as long as the power is on... If you are interested you may see all datas, pictures and a video with its sound at : http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/oa_plsm4.htm Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 11:17:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA16475; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:16:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:16:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BC28B3.6ACDEE47@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:14:43 -0800 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com Subject: Re: A New Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bu6-w.0.I14.yh1lu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Some questions; 1.) Where the heck do you find a spherical pyrex container good for use in a microwave? :) I've looked everywhere and can't find this. Is this a cooking container of some kind or a gold fish bowl? Can you tell me what your container is meant to cook and then I can tell the store clerk more of what I'm looking for? 2.) Will doing this for 10 seconds damage the microwave oven in any way do you think? 3.) What would happen, theoretically, if the oven were left on for say.... up to five minutes running with the plasmoid? JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Dear All, > > I have updated my web site with a new Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. With this > new enhanced setup the plasmoid generator is able to self-ignite without a > lighter. > When the microwave oven is switched on, the plasmoid start quickly and > remains stable as long as the power is on... > > If you are interested you may see all datas, pictures and a video with its > sound at : > > http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/oa_plsm4.htm > > Best Regards > > Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 11:43:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10971; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:43:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:43:12 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:42:10 EST Subject: Re: A New Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. To: donadams@telusplanet.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id LAA10890 Resent-Message-ID: <"y_IF3.0.xg2.E52lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dans un courrier daté du 29/02/00 20:16:26 Paris, Madrid, donadams@telusplanet.net a écrit : > Some questions; > > 1.) Where the heck do you find a spherical pyrex container good for use in a > microwave? :) > I've looked everywhere and can't find this. Is this a cooking container of > some > kind or a > gold fish bowl? Can you tell me what your container is meant to cook and > then I > can > tell the store clerk more of what I'm looking for? If you have some difficulties to find a spherical vessel, you may use two common Pyrex (tm) bowls, the plasmoid generated will be less stable ( a bit crratic ) than with a real sphere, but this will show you easily that the plasmoid experiment works. see at : http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/images/plasmoidcup.jpg > > 2.) Will doing this for 10 seconds damage the microwave oven in any way do > you > think? I recommend you to add a cup of water in the microwave too absorb excess microwaves. Don't run the microwave oven more than 10 seconds, because the glass vessel is warming, so check it after a short test run and let it cool a bit. Normaly the vessel doesn't heat to much, and if the vessel is heat resistant, you can try extend a bit the running time. Proceed carefully step by step. > > 3.) What would happen, theoretically, if the oven were left on for say.... > up to > five minutes > running with the plasmoid? Theoricaly, if the vessel is heat resistant there is no problem, but as I have said befor this must be checked carrefully with short tests and controls of the vessel temperature. The plasma is not really hot, and the warming is due to the microwave energy in the glass material. Conduct all your tests in a well ventiled area because the plasmoid generates NO2. I hope this will help you, Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 12:49:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09174; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:48:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Peter Fred" To: Subject: RE: UFO Noise and Jitter Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf82f5$a8a5cda0$31eeffcc@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00de01bf82d2$19ce3270$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"pPeA91.0.EF2.F23lu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have a different interpretation for the noise or hum that is assosiated with a UFO. I speculate that the noise coming from these craft is to prevent frost build-up. I have a heat-centric gravity theory which posites that the main purpose of the gravitational force found inside a sphere like the Earth is resist the flow of heat so that the unit area heat flux inside that sphere will vary as Q/(4 pi r^2) as is implied by Fourier's law for heat transfer in a sphere. This resistance role of the gravitational force can also be applied for heat flowing into a sphere in the steady state. In fact to get lift from a convex up hemisphere, according to my theory, heat must flow from above into the hemisphere. I have attempted to do this experimentally but never got much success possibly because of the frost build up. But with heat souce above and with a convex down hemisphere I have been able to observe a ~2.9 % decrease in weight. Here is a URL where the UFO when touched felt like dry ice (it was also felt a just plain hot also). Also it was reported as having a hum associated with it. http://www.artbell.com/aliens4.html My theory and experiments are reported at http://members.iglou.com/nfred/ and http://ww4.choice.net/~pbfred/ Best Regards Peter Fred Wish you the best of luck with your upcoming experimental test. From what I can tell you are not using a circular tube as DeAquino did. I hope this does not make a difference. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burns [mailto:sburns@ironbridgenetworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:29 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: UFO Noise and Jitter All, Since UFO's seems to be a responsive subject, consider the following: Hill's chapter on hovering UFO humming noise is interesting regarding DeAquino's theory. Again, there were case studies and then analysis. Hill's conclusion is the noise source is not internal to the object but is created in the environment by the object. Attributes are- the hum frequency seems to increase (as much as an octave?) just before takeoff. The hum shakes house walls back and forth and is physically felt by witnesses. Not everyone hears the hum but most feel its effect. Objects over water seen to create a jagged wave pattern directly below the object. Hill rules out ultrasonic frequencies due to their directivity and inability to physically shake an object at relatively large distances. He concludes the hum is due to some force field. He states a musician could possibly give insight into the hum frequency. I can easily see how a subsonic antigravity force could produce the attributes except for the first one. Calculations I have done with ELF show a reduction in frequency results in a stronger gravity repulsion field. An ELF antigravity field varies repelling more and then less with the sine wave frequency and amplitude. An equal amplitude lower sine wave field would shake objects a greater displacement distance. My experience with shaker tables says from 10Hz to about 200Hz, objects exhibit resonance frequencies like a car dashboard vibrating at specific speeds. Assuming a sine wave force field is distorted as it propagates into the environment, a lower fundamental frequency energy and higher harmonic frequency energies (Fourier analysis) result. The stronger antigravity field harmonics could resonate more of the environment summing together as a perceived higher frequency pitch. Keep in mind the higher frequency field makes the craft hover while the lower frequency field makes the craft accelerate up to 9,000 mph (from radar measurements). This is a big difference in field intensity. BTW, the craft up/down "jitter" Hill reports is possibly due to the ELF sine wave changing negative mass values slightly. Comments? Steve Burns From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 12:57:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05714; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:56:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:56:21 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: Extra-Galactic Travel Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf82f7$518b9b60$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201bf82f5$a8a5cda0$31eeffcc@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"nOuir3.0.8P1.q93lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Negative Mass Guys, >From a previous post I suggested a temperature stabilized electronic ELF control system has a nickel atom maximum mass reduction potential of 9.37E-23 to 1.7E-30 or ~7 orders of magnitude. State of the art electronics will drift thus reducing the value to ~3 orders of magnitude. Assuming that long term drift can be manually compensated, the control cycle deviation between positive and negative mass still exists. If signal frequency is slightly changed proportional to signal amplitude, a stable mass value is obtainable. For calculation purposed assume an amplitude controlled sweep frequency control system is manually drift compensated yielding a mass reduction of ~6 orders of magnitude. For a craft weighting 10 tons, equivalent mass is m=w/g = 3.3E+6 and assume the craft is traveling at 100,000mph or 27.8mps or 0.000149c. Relativistic velocity expressed in terms of mass and momentum is v=p/sqrt(m^2+(p/c)^2) or 9.17E+7. For a mass reduction of 1E+6, conservation of momentum gives a velocity of 0.9999999992c. From the craft frame of reference, time to transverse the 100 light year galaxy distance is 8 days plus the time needed to accelerate to the starting velocity. Since the control system can pass through the zero mass point, for any velocity, COM says the craft obtains infinite velocity crossing the entire universe in one control cycle (<1 second). Ironic that the current paradigm is faster than light is not possible when in actually staying below light speed takes special effort. If 1 micropound of mass remained outside the nickel gravity shield, then maximum velocity will be 0.999999999999999999c. Galaxy transverse time becomes 0.7 seconds. Comments- Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 13:05:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08026; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:04:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:04:59 -0800 Message-ID: <38BC37CA.C974FA2@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:19:06 -0500 From: Mike Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Indirect Reply to Steve Burns UFO Post References: <00db01bf82d0$182687d0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"48sD32.0.Gz1.wH3lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Burns wrote: > Mike, > Obviously you are emotionally involved with UFO rhetoric. I didn't mean to appear that way. I was writing that material for a disbelieving audience. I was just maintaining a neutral stance. > Personally, I care > if they exist. So do I. > I have had one sighting I know was not a conventional craft. Me too, back in '76. I and a group of friends watched 3 fighters chasing an orange ball of light around for a half hour or so. It did some stuff the jets couldn't match. > Applying Sturgeon's law to the rhetoric, 95% of reports are garbage. The > remaining 5% are interesting. I have not read a UFO book since 1965 except > for Hills book that I read last month. Just bought it myself, haven't read it yet. Too bad he's dead. > Hill attempts to apply Engineering > analysis to reports he compiled while working for NASA. I personally think > he did an outstanding job. > > I plan to keep an open mind since I have no way of knowing for sure. Me too but I was offering a way to know more. How is that wrong? > IMO for > every thousand pictures you provide showing no activity, all I need is one > showing attributes of credibility. Exactly what I was saying!?!?!?! > The nice thing about email is if you do > not like the subject you can just "delete key". True, but how does that apply here? > > > Best- > Steve Burns > > PS- You definitely want to delete my next post I didn't see anything wrong with your first post... > since it shows clearly > extra-galactic travel is easily obtainable with DeAquino's theory. Since he > has a working experiment, it is hard to argue with success. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 13:05:18 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA07962; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:04:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:04:45 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: Telepathic Transmitter Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:03:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bf82f8$7fa82710$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF82CE.96D21F10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00de01bf82d2$19ce3270$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"lOQRn.0.Jy1.iH3lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF82CE.96D21F10-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 13:15:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA11825; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:15:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:15:31 -0800 From: "Peter Fred" To: Subject: RE: UFO Radiation and Cold Plasma Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:10:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf82f9$7975e3e0$31eeffcc@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00d801bf82cb$532ea100$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZT5ba1.0.gu2.oR3lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Part of your analysis ends with the conclusion: "Reports of radiation death due to UFO close encounters are not common. This leads me to rule out x/gamma ray radiation." This conclusion is music to my ears as it must be to you. Since stars have thermonuclear reactions at their centers, I believe , judging from my heat-centric gravity theory, that nature herself uses thermonuclear power to move stars from A to B. Thus reasoning from my theory I think it is perfectly in order for UFOs to use thermonuclear power in the same way that stars do. But for safety reasons it would be nice if UFOs are able to harness thermonuclear power that is devoid or low on x/gamma ray radiation as per your conclusion. The novel propulsion quys funded by the government are having a devil of a time funneling the nuclear reaction that they produce. According to my theory this reaction would only have to be funneled so that the flow would be in the shape of hemisphere. This would be less of a problem. Regards Peter Fred http://members.iglou.com/nfred/Ordered.htm -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burns [mailto:sburns@ironbridgenetworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:41 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: UFO Radiation and Cold Plasma UFO guys, >snip> cone" shaped plasma plume under the disk. Comments? Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 13:41:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21763; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:40:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:40:31 -0800 Message-ID: <001301bf82fe$f4ec63a0$2ba270d1@markross> From: "sparky" To: , References: <38BC28B3.6ACDEE47@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: A New Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:49:35 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"eYjrw3.0.uJ5.Fp3lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Maybe I can help. I used a class container for a candle. I also used a water class ,it worked but it did crack. I ran my microwave for 25 seconds with out any trouble. If you want to run it longer you can put a cup of water in the oven. I used a ball of tissue under the glass instead of the toothpick . It worked great. my container was small, about 1 cup and green . The ball of tissue was about the size of a marble. I hope this will help you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Adams" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: Re: A New Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. > Some questions; > > 1.) Where the heck do you find a spherical pyrex container good for use in a > microwave? :) > I've looked everywhere and can't find this. Is this a cooking container of some > kind or a > gold fish bowl? Can you tell me what your container is meant to cook and then I > can > tell the store clerk more of what I'm looking for? > > 2.) Will doing this for 10 seconds damage the microwave oven in any way do you > think? > > 3.) What would happen, theoretically, if the oven were left on for say.... up to > five minutes > running with the plasmoid? > > > > JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > I have updated my web site with a new Enhanced Plasmoid Generator. With this > > new enhanced setup the plasmoid generator is able to self-ignite without a > > lighter. > > When the microwave oven is switched on, the plasmoid start quickly and > > remains stable as long as the power is on... > > > > If you are interested you may see all datas, pictures and a video with its > > sound at : > > > > http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/oa_plsm4.htm > > > > Best Regards > > > > Jean-Louis Naudin > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 13:45:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA23759; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:44:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:44:56 -0800 From: "Steve Burns" To: Subject: RE: UFO Noise and Jitter Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001301bf82fe$152f03d0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201bf82f5$a8a5cda0$31eeffcc@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"-DYHH.0.8p5.Nt3lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fred, I am not a physicist but I think your theory is similar to the J.F.Donoghue and B.R. Holstein thermal radiation theory that DeAquino uses as a basis for his EM theory. Donoghue et al mathematically and experimentally proved gravitational and inertial masses differ by the amount of thermal radiation absorbed (i.e. they are equal only at absolute zero). DeAquino assumes the difference is true for both thermal and EM radiation. I think what you are saying is you can reduce weight thermally as well as electromagnetically. BTW, DeAquino's equations reveal a superconductor (signa>1E+20S/m) easily radiates ELF with high power densities. Best- Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fred [mailto:pbfred@iglou.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 3:44 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: UFO Noise and Jitter I have a different interpretation for the noise or hum that is assosiated with a UFO. I speculate that the noise coming from these craft is to prevent frost build-up. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 20:14:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA22172; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:13:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:13:53 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Mass and measurement Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:13:15 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <024c01bf8219$5d441740$5be135ca@xplornote> In-Reply-To: <024c01bf8219$5d441740$5be135ca@xplornote> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA22102 Resent-Message-ID: <"1ShSw3.0.GQ5._Z9lu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:25:20 +0700, xplorer wrote: >Robin, > >I could use a bit of a hint here: > >In going through the periodic table, >I am looking at what they term the 'mass defect'. > >The way I was taught to calculate it: > Mdefect = Z - Mz >where: >Mdefect is the mass defect >Z is the number of protons & neutrons and >Mz is the (actual) measured atomic mass of the element in AMU's. >Mz is more often given in MeV however, where 1 AMU is 931.4943200 MeV This is also the definition given in Encarta, but I don't prefer it. (See http://antoine.fsu.umd.edu/chem/senese/101/atoms/slides/sld019.htm ). [snip] >Now, my question is why the calculation is not: > >Mdefect = ( ( Np * ( Me + Mp ) ) + ( Nn * Mn ) ) - Mz This calculation is apparently also used. As long as you only calculate differences between mass defects, it doesn't matter which definition you use e.g. Take carbon and 3 heliums. MD(C) = 12 - Mc MD(He) = 4 - MHe (MD(C) - 3 x MD(He)) = (12 - Mc) - 3 x (4 - MHe) = (12 - Mc) - (12 - 3 x MHe) = -Mc + 3 x MHe = 3 x MHe - Mc. Where MD(C) is mass deficit of carbon etc. Mc = real mass of carbon. MHe the real mass of helium. IOW the 'Z's drop out anyway when you do the subtraction (12 = 3 x 4). So the *difference* in mass defects gives the correct energy difference between begin and final states, no matter which definition you use, provided that you use the same definition consistently. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 20:24:39 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA20259; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:24:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:24:09 -0800 (PST) From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: UFO Radiation and Cold Plasma Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:23:27 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <00d801bf82cb$532ea100$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <00d801bf82cb$532ea100$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id UAA20241 Resent-Message-ID: <"ygrgS3.0.Sy4.dj9lu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:40:37 -0500, Steve Burns wrote: [snip] >Paul Hill in his book talks about "ice cream cone" shaped cold plasma plumes >reported below hovering UFO's. I did some calculations to see if a slow >moving 10 ton disk shaped object counteracting gravity with negative mass >could accelerate air nitrogen atoms to a high enough velocity to create >secondary ionization (cascading avalanche resulting in a cold plasma). My >assumptions are: > >Disk weight = 10 tons, >Disk diameter = 30 feet, >Nitrogen atom mass = 2.34E-26 Kg. > >From experience, I know a nuclear proportional counter containing a gas at >one atmosphere pressure achieves secondary electron/ion ionization around >1500 volts. Making a rough estimate, ~1500eV of energy is needed for >secondary electron/ion ionization at one atmosphere. >Since kinetic energy = 1/2 mv^2, velocity needed for ionization is 1.43E5 >m/s. > >A 10 ton weight will exert a force on a nitrogen atom resulting in an >acceleration (a = F/m) of 3.78E+30m/sec^2. This isn't clear to me. Perhaps you could show how this number is derived? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 21:24:23 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA13117; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:24:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:24:01 -0800 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Extra-Galactic Travel Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:23:24 +1100 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <000201bf82f5$a8a5cda0$31eeffcc@default> <000001bf82f7$518b9b60$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <000001bf82f7$518b9b60$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id VAA13087 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q-ijV.0.jC3.lbAlu"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:55:32 -0500, Steve Burns wrote: [snip] >0.9999999992c. From the craft frame of reference, time to transverse the 100 >light year galaxy distance is 8 days plus the time needed to accelerate to >the starting velocity. [snip] I'm not quite sure what you mean by "galaxy distance", but our galaxy is 100000 lt.years across, not 100. OTOH, there are quite a few stars within 100 lt. years of earth. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 29 23:26:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA06872; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:26:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Peter Fred" To: Subject: RE: UFO Noise and Jitter Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 02:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf834e$ba2d9360$72ecffcc@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301bf82fe$152f03d0$9b07a8c0@pokey.ironbridgenetworks.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"bLxvP.0.Hh1.FOClu"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve, First of all so that things to not get out of hand let me say thatn my first name is Peter and my last name is Fred. Thank you for the reference of Donoghue and Holstein. I have looked and some the papers in the vault of forcefieldpropulsionphysics for references of DeAquino's work. Am I right in assuming you are attempting to achieve an antigravity effect by using ideas given in this vault. I do not see the similariy between my theory and DeAquino's work. However there may be some similarity due to the fact that EM radiation can heat up a solid. In a post to forcefieldpropulsionphysics you wrote: "The whole device weights about 35 kg and when applying 60 Hz @ 300 A to the antenna, the device looses about 22.1 kg !" This is a startling statement. I hope you have not changed the housing from a circular tube to a square tube in your latest work. This result is making me go back to experimenting again where I am hoping I can double or triple my 2.9 % weight loss. Regards Peter