From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 00:37:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA06176 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA06161; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:37:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.638 From: Tony Rusi To: Jim Francis cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop In-Reply-To: <199601252103.HAA25154@peg.apc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Jim Francis wrote: > > > >The Startlight product may be as fantaic as people have stated, however, > >the mechanics behind such a material are somewhat simple, yet very hard > >to construct. > > > > >such a material must have an incredibly high density, therefore weight. > >Would it be economical to use this mouldable stuff on an aircraft? Maybe > >not, becuase it'll probbably be heavier than lead and/or brick... > > > >Anyone care to comment? > > > >Wolf > > > > Seem to recall in the Australian TV program I saw, the inventor claims he > got the idea from the way various chemicals were applied to the scalp to > treat hair. Got the impression that he used these "hair" based chemicals to > create his product....but my memory may be wrong here. > > Jim > > Went and did my own research for starlight at king co. library. Starlight was not listed in info trak. But some businessweek articles were found on heat resistant plastics. Some were based on the introduction of chemical wedges and then their removal. Did anyone find the Starlight article in BW? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 02:54:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA28830 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA28820 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c1p0.aa.net (s3c1p0.aa.net [204.157.220.140]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA27071 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:39:52 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602011039.CAA27071@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 02:50:40 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.639 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Searching For "Starlight" Energy Mirror Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >> >Went and did my own research for starlight at king co. library. >Starlight was not listed in info trak. But some businessweek articles >were found on heat resistant plastics. Some were based on the >introduction of chemical wedges and then their removal. > >Did anyone find the Starlight article in BW? > > I just made a search at altavista for Starlight which yields an unworkable 10,000 pages Starlight AND Plastic yields 66 page urls, none of which seem to have the remotest connecton Does anybody have the name of the inventor and can they please kindly search http://www.altavista.digital.com for the inventor's name or pass it along here if you are not webbable, and for sure report the result if you are? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 07:48:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA27590 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 07:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA27572 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from t6.dialup.peg.apc.org (t6.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.134]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.10 ) with SMTP id CAA04056 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:40:38 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:40:38 +1000 Message-Id: <199602011640.CAA04056@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.640 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Over-Unity Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Presume all those interested in over-unity have seen Tom Bearden's latest posting.... http://hsv.com/writers/bearden/tommenu.htm Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 09:58:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA15472 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA15194 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip15.vvm.com (slip15.vvm.com [204.71.94.25]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13736 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:52:59 -0600 Received: by slip15.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAF09B.E4447A00@slip15.vvm.com>; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:53:24 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAF09B.E4447A00@slip15.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.642 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Unpacking Hovertec Archive Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:50:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I've been rather brief in my messages that contain the hovertec archive. = It is in a Pkzip format. A program like WinZip or PKUNZIP should be = used to un pack it. Also, I know that I might have sent out a few = duplicate packets, but I lost track of the names from the first mailing. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 19:57:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA08465 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08309 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:53:56 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.643 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47560; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:53:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:51:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Seem to recall in the Australian TV program I saw, the inventor claims he If your refering to "Quantum" (on TLC), I vaugely remember seeing that show. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 20:14:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA14949 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA14809 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:13:05 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.644 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA04947 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:32:04 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D8061xQ Thu, Feb 01, 1996 22:10:06 EST Message-Id: <9602012210.D8061xQ@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 22:10:05 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks for the reality check. The words "remains cold" were very poorly chosen. Should have said as you did: >as it is being torched, the surface is very HOT indeed. Now, the >"miracle" of starlight is that it insulates SO well and whatever does >get HOT dissipates its heat SO rapidly after the torch is removed. sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 22:12:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA25108 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA25033 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.645 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA06280 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:12:30 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D1877bM Thu, Feb 01, 1996 23:59:31 EST Message-Id: <9602012359.D1877bM@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: force as particle exchange Organization: Intermax Online Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 23:59:30 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >suspect static force results from a continuous but zero-balance energy >exchange of particles. >Robin van Spaandonk From Einstein's and Plank's formula arises a relationship between the the mass of a photon and the frequency of the light (or other energy) it represents. Plank's formula E=hf where: E is the energy of a single photon, f is the photon's frequency, h is Plank's constant, Einstein's formula E=mc^2 where: E is energy, m is mass, c^2 is the speed of light squared, hence, hf=mc^2 thus showing that the mass of a photon is directly porportional to the frequency of the photon. (take from the book From Atoms to Amperes by F.A.Wilson - c 1989 Bernard Babani publishing, London England) Now, since the momentum state wave function of a photon has the shape of a corkscrew, (per Roger Penrose - The Emporer's New Mind) one can easily visualize attractive and repulsive forces resulting form the corkscrew shaped waves screwing into or out of each other. Thus you can visualize that forces do indeed arise from an exchange of particles. Now this leads to a very interesting question. What is the frequency of a magnet? This is not to confuse energy and force, but to realize that because hf=mc^2, the quantum flux exchange frequency (or energy since e=hf) is the force of a magnet, and must be extremely high. The implication is that the frequency of the force must be so high that it is approaching the mass side of the equation and thus is a physical or mass conection! David Sligar sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 1 23:04:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA10531 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip-1.slip.net (slip-1.slip.net [204.160.88.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10493 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from chi-pm4-16.freeppp.com (chi-pm4-16.freeppp.com [204.162.179.210]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA04418 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:04:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020704.XAA04418@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: tchand@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 02:01:01 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.646 From: tchand@slip.net (Tim Chandler) Subject: fnrg: Misc. Sources... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all...was going through a box of old notes and found a list of source that deal with some rather difficult materials/equipment/components...thought I would pass them on, in case some were interested...they were all still in business as of 05/14/93...but don't know if they still are... (1) CAROLINA BIOLOGICAL SUPPLY COMPANY 2700 York Road Burlington, NC 27215 (919)584-0381 - deal with misc. biological kits (ex. E-Z Gene Splicer DNA Recombination and Transformation Kit) - low-level radiation materials (2) IMAGES CO. P.O.Box 140742 Staten Island, NY 10314-0024 (718)698-8305 - misc. electronic components (alot of out of ordinary stuff) - HV transformers; HV diodes; HV capacitors - misc. science related supplies - misc. chemicals (Potassium Nitrate, ect) - color transpareny film for Kirlian photography (3) THE NUCLEUS COMPANY THE NUCLEUS CO. 601 Oak Ridge Turnpike 761 Emory Valley Road Oak Ridge, TN 73830 Oak Ridge, TN 37830-2561 (615)483-8405 (615)482-4041 (800)255-1978 - low-level radiation materials (ex. Cesium-137 gamma ray source $25.00) (4) ALLEGRO ELECTRONICS Mine Mountain Road Cornwall Bridge, CT 06754 (203)672-0123 - misc. specialty electronic components (transformers, TGS gas sensor) No gaurantees that they are all still in business. I have found IMAGES Co. to be one of the best odd ball electrical component suppliers around. Tim o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | Timothy A. Chandler || M.S.Physics/B.S.Chmeistry | o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | NASA-Langley Research Center || George Mason University | | Department of Energy || Department of Physics | | FRT/Alpha - NASALaRC/DOE JRD/OPM || Department of Chemistry | | CHOCT FR Designation 82749156/MG09 || OPC-EFC | o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | Private Email Address: tchand@slip.net | o-----------------------------------------------------------------------o From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 06:43:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA14937 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA14860 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from t2slip124.vvm.com (t2slip124.vvm.com [204.71.94.34]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA06873 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:38:40 -0600 Received: by t2slip124.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAF149.E33AD420@t2slip124.vvm.com>; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:38:55 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAF149.E33AD420@t2slip124.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.648 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Hovertec Packet Requests Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:15:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have received several duplicate requests for the hovertec info packet. = I sent copies of the file to everyone I had the addresses of last = night, but it is a large file (about 240k ) and might take some time to = get through the system, so please wait until Monday before sending any = more requests for the file if you have already sent a request. This is = the first time I've used the multiple address function of my Mail client = so I'd like to give it som time and see if it worked before sending out = another large number of files. Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 09:01:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA03860 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lobster.wellfleet.com (lobster.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.253.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA03782 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.BayNetworks.com (pobox.corpeast.baynetworks.com) by lobster.wellfleet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13691; Fri, 2 Feb 96 11:57:35 EST Received: from aether.engeast by pobox.BayNetworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03708; Fri, 2 Feb 96 11:58:24 EST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 11:58:24 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.649 From: juban@baynetworks.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <9602021658.AA03708@pobox.BayNetworks.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Scalar Theory Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Per Chris Malcheski's note: > He [Larry Spring] had two antennae hooked up to a meter at the same time. > When he positioned one antenna at a certain distance from the other, > the signals cancelled out and signal strength read 0. This in itself > indicates serious flaws in conventional theory (which we all already > know), however I have not yet heard anybody acknowledge the simple > fact that in order to achieve this cancellation effect, there had to > be some sort of negative cycle involved in the standard RF transmission. > Conventional theory holds that power levels in a standard RF wave range > from 0 to some level. 0 being the lowest, no cancellation could have > occured. There had to be a negative cycle equal in magnitude to the > peak of the positive cycle.Does anybody know anything about this? Actually, conventional EM transmission theory has the signal consisting of orthogonal oscillating E and B fields, perpendicular to the direction of movement. Both fields are vectors, so there -is- a plus and minus orientation. The two antennas could easily be adjusted to align with the E field being up with respect to the first antenna and down with respect to the 2nd antenna. In that case, the E vectors would be producing opposite forces on the electrons in the two antenna segments. Presumably the 2 antennas were connected together and input to the RF strength meter. So, the induced currents would oppose each other and cancel to 0. The RF meter would see no field strength and read 0. Power indeed ranges from 0 to some value, but is computed from |E|^2, cancelling the vector, if there is a vector to see. For a 140Mhz signal, the antennas would only need to be a little more than a meter apart to get this cancellation effect. The signal could also have some sort of circular polarization as well, such that the E and B pair are rotating around their direction of travel. In that case, the two antennas would have to be angled around the line of travel to line up with the rotated E vector and get the cancellation. So, I'd say that Larry Spring's experiment here simply confirmed the normal theory. Jim From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 09:22:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA11039 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.indirect.com (root@ns1.indirect.com [165.247.1.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA10927 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.30 (s30.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.30]) by ns1.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA22591 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:20:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:20:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199602021720.KAA22591@ns1.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.650 From: Reed Huish Subject: Re: fnrg: Hovertec Packet Requests To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <01BAF149.E33AD420@t2slip124.vvm.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Brent Davidson wrote: >I have received several duplicate requests for the hovertec info packet. I sent copies of the file to everyone I had the addresses of last night, but it is a large file (about 240k ) and might take some time to get through the system, so please wait until Monday before sending any more requests for the file if you have already sent a request. This is the first time I've used the multiple address function of my Mail client so I'd like to give it som time and see if it worked before sending out another large number of files. > >Thanks, >Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) > Would you mind sending the packet to me? Thanks, Reed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 13:51:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA28272 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from jshaffer (jshaffer.pennet.net [204.183.192.134]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA09847 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jshaffer@localhost) by jshaffer (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00222 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:46:38 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.651 From: "Jim Shaffer Jr." Message-Id: <199602020046.TAA00222@jshaffer> Subject: Re: fnrg: Unpacking Hovertec Archive To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:46:36 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <01BAF09B.E4447A00@slip15.vvm.com> from "Brent Davidson" at Feb 1, 96 11:50:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I've been rather brief in my messages that contain the hovertec archive. I didn't see any of them come through. Could you put it up for FTP somewhere? -- * From the disk of: | jshaffer@pennet.net | "there's a hell of Jim Shaffer, Jr. | /\v/\ // | a good universe 37 Brook Street | This signature // | next door; let's go" Montgomery, PA 17752 | under construction. \\// | (e.e. cummings) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 17:44:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA24384 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA24174 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma9-11.ix.netcom.com by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA13999; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:37:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:37:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199602030137.RAA13999@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.652 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Greetings Cc: tesla@ssz.com, USA-TESLA@usa.net Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:06 PM 1/30/96 +0900, you wrote: >On 28 Jan 96 at 23:24, Dennis Lee wrote: >[snip] >> processes. My interest at the moment is to resonate air at its' ion acoustic >> frequency (plural?). I have recently learned that the Mean Free Path of air >> at S.T.P. is 50 nm. Does this figure sound reasonable? Would a longitudinal >> (scalar?) wave vibrate an ion radially? What frequency / voltage / phase >> combination would correspond to vibrating an ion at an amplitude >> (spherically radial?) equal to the Mean Free Path? >By "spherically radial", I presume you mean expanding and contracting >the volume of the electron shells. If so, then this would presumably >imply adding sufficient energy to each electron to lift it into an >energy shell with a "radius" of 250 angstrom. Given that this is >about 100 times the normal size of an atom, I suspect that in fact >this would be the same as stripping all the electrons off the atom >completely (or very close to it). In this case the only conditions >that need to be met are that sufficiently energetic photons be used >(several keV for the innermost electrons). This would however not >lead to pulsations as such, just ionized atoms. I suppose that if you >were to pulse the energy supplied, and leave sufficient time between >pulses, then the atoms would reform in the mean time, but is there >really any point to the exercise? I believe Tesla was trying to achieve ion acoustic resonance at the top electrode of his Magnifying Transmitter. If this is so, the Magnifying Transmitter might not need an external power supply to keep running. Zero Point Energy theory states that an ion vibrated at ion acoustic frequency will ortho rotate ZPE into our dimension. Ortho rotate seems to suggest all three axes at once. I believe that a sphere expanding and contracting constitutes a process involving x,y,& z axes simultaneously. There are water based O/U devices that use this configuration (cavitating water); e.g. the Hydro Dynamics Hydrosonic Pump, Victor Schauberger's Vortex Implosion Device. Scalar or longitudinal waves are always discussed when on the subject of Tesla coils. Scalar seems to suggest simultaneous amplitude change in a given volume. It occured to me that an ion in such a field may change in size rather than experience a position diplacement. Dennis C. Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 2 18:59:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA21701 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com (arl-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.7.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA21608 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA07757; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:57:02 -0500 Date: 02 Feb 96 21:55:59 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.653 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Scalar Theory Message-ID: <960203025559_76216.2421_HHB70-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Chris - Welcome to the list! I'm trying to get Jeff K. to sign on here too. He has the new baby and all, but he still seems to think there will be time to hack some hardware too. My little HV generator is still coming along, I'm building a housing for it and assembling the components back onto the board. Also, there was a device by Bedini crossposted to here by Beaty that was very simple to build. Bucked magnets wrapped with magnet wire driven by 12V passed through a noisy dc motor to pick up spikes. It looked a little different from a second unit I made with the mags in NSNS config on the scope, but I haven't tried a few things yet with it. It's supposed to "clarify" CDs - make the audio sound better. Cleans dirt out of the holes like the old pyramid razor blade sharpeners were supposed to work is one of the speculations about how it might work (if it works at all). Also, I have a URL for you: http://hsv.com/writers/bearden/tommenu.htm Nice Bearden articles with diagrams and stuff. Bearden's getting a little more lucid with this stuff, and the HTML format really helps what with illustrations and notes. But does it make sense? Some of it sure seems so to me, but then some seems like the same old obfuscation routines. Hard to tell without a perfectly thorough understanding of the whole subject of EM (!). But he is getting down to some specifics laid out in the article, which is a lot more than you usually see on this subject. >3) What do the resonant frequencies of various materials have >to do with their scalar generation effects / abilities? Is there >some avenue to persue that might result in calculating the resonant >scalar frequency of a given material based on its atomic/molecular >structure? Good question! There's been some discussion here on that, but I'm not sure anyone here right now has the specifics. There was an "ionic acoustic resonant frequency" mentioned that was supposedly far lower than the ionic resonant frequencies which are often quite high, like H2O's frequency in the low gigahertz range. I'm hoping someone here will be able to add something to that. >4) Patrick Flanagan told me that standard capacitors emit scalar >fields. Has anybody been working with this? If they do, then maybe the shape of the cap does something. Maybe make some flat plate caps in different shapes, like tetrahedron, classic pyramid, rectangle boxes, etc. There's always that idea of picking off any mysteriously accumulated charge (caps are faraday shielded) through an op amp to some sort of storage or tracing device. I haven't tried it, but it's another intriguing project I hope to get to. Chris Tinsley's tried the caps-in-a-shielded-box idea, leads trimmed off. He says they charge to different levels depending what their cardinal orientation is. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 06:03:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA06933 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 06:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA06858 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 06:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA03754 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:02:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:02:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199602031402.PAA03754@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.654 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Info on the Takashi engine... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I found this on the Bearden Homepages.... What do you think ? Is it for real ?? Regards, Stefan. The Takahashi Engine See Figure 8 for the principle of the Takahashi engine. (footnote 73) Here a set of permanent magnets, each at an angle to the various radial lines of the device, comprises a slightly widening spiral stator that is "almost" circular but not quite. A circular rotor is mounted inside this spiral stator. An end gap exists in the stator as shown, so that the stator is not a complete closed ring. The direction of rotation for the rotor is clockwise as shown. For demonstration of the principle, the beginning air gap is 0.1 mm and the ending air gap is 5 mm. A permanent magnet is mounted along the perimeter of an angular sector of the rotor. It is magnetized, say, with the north pole facing radially outwards, and the south pole facing radially inside. In the stator, the permanent magnet north poles are facing radially in toward the rotor, but at an angle, and the south poles are facing radially outside but at an angle. Thus tangentially the north pole of the rotor is in a nonlinear magnetic field, and it will experience a clockwise force and acceleration from position 1 (where the air gap is the minimum) to position 2 (where the air gap reaches maximum). If this were all there was to it, the Takahashi motor would not be overunity because the tangential field is conservative. When the rotor crossed the end gap in the stator between point 2 and point 1, very sharp and dynamic braking work would be done back upon the rotor magnet by the field of the stator magnets at point 1. This braking work would precisely equal the amount of dynamic acceleration work that was done in accelerating the rotor magnet from position 1 to position 2, in accordance with equation [1] shown previously. For an absolutely frictionless machine with no losses, the coefficient of performance (COP) would be 1.0. Since any real machine will have at least some friction and drag, the actual COP would be less than 1.0. Let us now utilize the notion of the magnetostatic scalar potential to examine a new situation in the end gap. Technically, let us regard a single unit north pole in the rotor, going from position 1 to position 2 (the acceleration cycle, where the engine will deliver shaft horsepower against a load), and then from position 2 to position 1 (where the magnetostatic scalar potential must be regauged to equal or exceed the potential at position 1, in order for the rotor to continue unabated or even further accelerate. I.e., in the separation gap, a regauging operation must be done so that the "stator to inner" potential is increased equal to or exceeding the "stator to inner" potential of position 1. In normal machines, the regauging part of the cycle is always where the design engineer forcibly input energy from outside the system to do physical work on the machine to forcibly "reset" its energy storage back to initial conditions. In the past engineers have automatically assumed COP<1.0 without exception, since their forcible RESET work was always equal to the maximum theoretical energy output to the load during the motor part of the cycle from point 1 to point 2. So we simply must perform the regauging or RESET of the system's energy storage, without performing tangential "drag" work on the rotor. For that purpose, an electromagnet is utilized to fill the end gap in the stator, arranged so that when it is activated its north pole will face radially inward. A small current activates the coil weakly, through a distributor with breaker points. At the proper timing (i.e., when the rotor is directly opposite the electromagnet polepiece, a set of ignition points is sharply broken in the circuit with the coil of the electromagnet. Momentarily, a very high potential will appear at the end of the coil as the collapsing field is highly amplified and trying to sustain the previous current in its previous direction. The end result is the formation of a strong magnetostatic scalar potential (pole), of north polarity, on the stator polepiece facing the rotor. Note that no radial work can be done on either the stator polepiece or the rotor by this high potential, because they cannot move radially. The potential in the end gap is now higher than the potential at position one. Consequently a clockwise tangential force field exists between the end gap potential and the lower potential at position one. A clockwise tangential force therefore appears upon the rotor, and the rotor is accelerated and "boosted" out of the stator gap and back past point 1. At that point the electromagnet has lost its potential, but the engine has now been regauged and now is in the clockwise acceleration field of the rotor-stator permanent magnets. In short, the rotor perceived the sudden change of magnetostatic scalar potential from the electromagnet in the stator gap as a pseudo-MVP, and the system received a sharp influx of potential energy, without work except for that lost in the electromagnet circuitry. Since that loss can be made quite nominal by conventional electronic practices, the engine permissibly provides COP>1.0. It can therefore be rigged to power itself and a load simultaneously. Placed in an electric vehicle with necessary switching circuitry and ancillary equipment, a properly designed Takahashi engine and its derivatives should be capable of starting from a single ordinary battery, then powering the vehicle agilely, powering the accessories, and recharging its own battery __ all three simultaneously. There are still some disadvantages with the Takahashi engine. First, the cobalt magnets are expensive and require arduous manufacturing in the asymmetrical configuration shown. The dynamic balancing of the engine would be critical, since the stator is nonsymmetrical and so is the rotor. Also, the single rotor sector would have to be counterbalanced on the shaft, say by another Takahashi stage in counterbalance form. It would be desirable to eliminate these difficulties and also to reduce the rather appreciable costs of such an array of magnets. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:26:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA02472 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00503 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01090; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:15:16 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:15:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199602021815.TAA01090@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.658 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Over-Unity Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:40 02.02.1996 +1000, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > >Presume all those interested in over-unity have seen Tom Bearden's >latest posting.... > >http://hsv.com/writers/bearden/tommenu.htm > >Jim Francis > > The new Japanese device page is "forbidden" status ! Not readable !!! Please change that. Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:31:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA03249 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com (dub-img-7.compuserve.com [198.4.9.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02806 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA05555; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:39:36 -0500 Date: 02 Feb 96 18:50:11 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.659 From: Chris Malcheski <71232.360@compuserve.com> To: LIST Subject: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory Message-ID: <960202235011_71232.360_GHL27-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Hi Jim, >> What did he mean by standard capacitor? << Actually this was my own wording; he simply said "capacitors" emit scalar fields. Maybe he meant ES fields but he knew the context I was talking in and I doubt this was the case. Anyway he didn't specify as to type of capacitor. I was using an electrolytic and I probably told him that so this was probably what he was referring to. I think I still have his reply around here somewhere. He doesn't normally answer email, he seems to be rather anti-social. >> So, I'd say that Larry Spring's experiment here simply confirmed the normal theory. << I'm taking time to assimilate all this into my own personal dogma ... i.e. "how does this affect _______? What does this mean regarding ______?" As I said, there are areas where I need an education and this apparently was one! >From Pat: >> If you know anything about that or how I could talk to Pat I'd appreciate any info. << I emailed him once on CIS @ 71650,60. I got lucky, he replied. It was the only time he ever did and I think it was because the material I provided him on a reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) got his interest long enough to type back a few keystrokes. I think maybe he's a xenophobe. Seems like this group could do something with those time device plans ... I'll do a writeup on them and send it out probably Saturday; is there an FTP site I can access to upload a .BMP file with the diagrams, where everybody else can reach them? It's simple as all hell and apparently has had some success with certain people but the determining factor for getting the effect appears to be as yet undiscovered. I seem to be in the right place for rectifying that! Chuck: I'll be in touch as soon as things settle down here a little. My main focus is on the Searl disk. I'm so sick and tired of claims being made then people fading out. The only way to know is to build one ... but again, until this program ships, I'm not going to be much good to anybody. What is the Swiss Methernia Converter? -- Chris From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:32:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA20982 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA20568 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.660 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA13426; Fri, 2 Feb 96 11:19:07 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823288982; Fri, 02 Feb 96 11:12:48 EST Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 11:12:48 EST Message-Id: <9601028232.AA823288982@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: "From the designs I've seen, it would appear that scalar waves like to propagate in a direction perpendicular to the directions of the EM waves canceling each other out." Not always. In fact, the concept of "propagation" may not be completely valid for a "wave" moving faster than C, or may need extension in my opinion. Many scalar devices are omnidirectional, and constructing a directional detector is devilishly difficult, as you cannot shield the signals to produce a preferred direction of detection. It may well be that scalar "waves" travel via pair coupling rather than wave like propagation. Remember that we cannot ever detect a wave (EM or scalar) in free space, only within the detecting device itself. As to the measurements of the radiated field from an EM transmitter, the EM waves do have a negative and positive potential according to classical EM theory. If the spacing between the antennae used was half a wavelength, then the behavior described can be easily understood from a totally conventional approach. I do not understand your point on the energy levels, there is polarity as well as energy, this is the direction of the vectors. Clearly EM waves can and do cancel under classical theory and practice. Mr. Flanagan's remarks about capacitors is correct within a specific context. The pure electrostatic condition is directly related to scalar production, but there are also magnetic cases, as well as the combined electrostatic and megnetostatic method of scalar production. I suggest you look into the Hodowanec "gravity wave" detector design, while this is an really poor detector, it does work. There are better detectors however, but this is a good starting point. As to the significance of resonant materials, etc, just what do you mean by resonant frequencies of a given material? Copper does not have a single resonant frequency for all copper objects. it's not quite so simple as that. Size, shape, etc all enter into the picture. Resonance is important, in that voltage rise at resonance is maximum, and hence, the total magnitude of the scalars produced may be highest in a resonant system with EM vectors summed to zero. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 08:38:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA21795 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21365 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:10:21 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.661 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA23796; Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:05:52 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823208994; Thu, 01 Feb 96 13:04:15 EST Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 13:04:15 EST Message-Id: <9601018232.AA823208994@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Bearden's latest. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: (I) "Presume all those interested in over-unity have seen Tom Bearden's latest posting...." I presume that those who have followed Mr. Beardens work from the "Towards a New Electromagnetics" series have noticed that much of what is presented in the latest work appears to be at direct odds with his earlier works. Several subjects mentioned in "Chasing the Wild Dragon" (such as the degenerate semiconductor theory, "swing mode circuits, etc.) have been addressed by others, and have been shown to be flawed. (Current is zero through an inductor at the instant current is applied, oh really, Surely your joking Mr. Bearden!) Some feel Mr. Bearden is blowing some smoke here, obfuscating issues he made much more clear in his earlier works. This lack of consistency is quite disappointing to many who closely followed the earlier (and better in my opinion) works. It makes one wonder. Then again, Mr. Bearden states that he is currently involved in commercial development of this technology. I strongly recommend anyone interested in this latest material compare it to the older works by the same author. Does anyone know if the older publications are still available? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 09:54:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA13937 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA13883 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id JAA09330; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:52:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:52:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.662 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Welcome to St.-Petersburg! Electrogravitation devices, experiments , to control by rate of time, scalar EM, cold fusion of 1960 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 16:23:05 +0300 Subject: Welcome in St.-Petersburg! Electrogravitation devices, experiments to control by rate of time, scalar EM, cold fusion of 1960 International Conference St.-Petersburg, Russia Dear Sir, Local Organizing Commitee consisting of Chairman: Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences; Members: Dr. Anatoly A. Efimov, Russian Academy of Sciences; Dr. Jaroslav G. Klyushin Dr. Kirill P. Butusov Dr. Juri A. Zakoldajev, for Technics of Exploring; Ms. Alexandra A. Shpitalnaja Astronomical Observatory, Russian Academy of Sciences; Mr. Vladimir A. Fogel Association "SVETLANA"; Mr. Alexander V. Frolov, Academy of MegaSciences, Institute for Free Energy. INVITE YOU to take part in work of conference that will take place from 17 to 22 June, 1996, in St.-Petersburg, Russia. Next committees are planed: PHYSICS 1. Modern problems in physics. Theoretical reports. 2. New energetics, practical results. 3. Gravitation and overlapping technologies. 4. Development of Tesla's ideas. GEOLOGY 5-days Seminar "The ecological problems and geology" will take place in parallel with physics committee. Subjects of lectures ( invited 30 Russian speakers ) are devoted to next topics: electrogravitation, free energy, gyroscopes and anti-gravity reaction, inertial propulsion drives, control by rate of time, scalar electromagnetic interaction, magnetic vector potential interaction, longitudinal electromagnetic wave generation and detection, Mobius surface current effects, single-wire power transmission, heat pump, unipolar ( homopolar ) generator, torsion field. Special reports: Ivan S. Filimonenko, his cold fusion experiments from 1960 to present time; Boris V. Bolotov, transmutation of chemical elements, Vadim A. Shernobrov, experiments on control of rate of time, creation of propulsion force by means of electromagnetics; Konstantin D. Shukalov, demonstration of non-reactive force in device powered by electromagnets; Ivan M. Shahporonov will report on experiments ( demonstration also) on "waves of Kozyrev-Dirak". Nikolay Kozyrev experimented to change the "density of flow of time". Ivan M. Shahporonov state that his device using Mobius surface currents can produce more powerful waves. This radiation can be used as gravity drive or to change the inner structure of matter for transmutation of molucules and atoms in the object. In work of conference will take part specialists from Military Space Academy, St.-Petersburg. Please, send the name of your report, your name and address for contacts, fax, email, and abstract by your report ( from 10 to 20 lines ) in FAX-address of organizing committee or by email to < alex@frolov.spb.ru > to prepare the programm of conference. We must make it before Febriary 15, 1996. Also, please send by post in address: Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov, P.O.BOX 25, 195298, St.-Petersburg, Russia, complete text of your report ( up to 10 pages and 2 Figures ). Consideration of reports cannot be assured if received after April 1. We'll print book of all reports in English before conference for all speakers to help international discussion. The Forum will be held from 17 to 22 June, 1996. We are planing 5-days work, 10 AM - 3 PM sessions, workshops devoted experimental systems and devices will take place in the end of every day. June 22 is reserve day for work. Detailes on registration fee - USD 250 ( book of reports in English, simultaneous interpreting for lectures are included ), hotel ( single rooms are USD 63 per day ) and all organizing questions we'll inform you when we'll receive text of your report that means your desire to take part in Conference as Speaker. Best regards, Chairman Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov FAX ___________________________________________________________________ --- Alexander V. Frolov P.O.Box 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 10:06:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA15035 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14954 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id JAA10587; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:56:56 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.663 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: WSJ art on Patterson cell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: From: Ray Berry Subject: WSJ art on Patterson cell To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) There is an article in the 29 Jan 96 Wall Street Journal discussing the Patterson cold fusion cell that might interest readers of this list. -- Ray Berry kb7ht rjberry@eskimo.com Bellevue, WA /* inquire within */ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 11:08:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA26805 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA26752 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA25548; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:07:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:07:47 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.665 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Hovertec Packet on WWW Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Brent Davidson wrote: >I have received several duplicate requests for the hovertec info packet. > I sent copies of the file to everyone I had the addresses of last night, I've reduced the file size of the GIFS and placed them on the freenrg-list webpage, http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html These are 4x lower resolution, so if you want the originals, contact Brent D. (addr above) Thanks Brendt! This company didn't have any working hardware, did it? The energy requirements for their hover scheme seem more appropriate to a car-sized powerplant, not to a skateboard. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 11:15:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA28115 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28054 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id LAA27001; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:14:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.666 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent please... In-Reply-To: <199602031359.OAA03743@ns.bbtt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Can somebody please post this patent: >=20 >=20 > Teruo Kawai, "Motive Power Generating Device," U.S. Patent No. 5,436,518, > July 25, 1995. Filed June 17, 1993. 16 > claims, 19 drawing sheets >=20 > This was explained on Tom Bearden=B4s home page at Virtuel Times > and I would like to study this patent for more info on this=20 > really interesting subject ! You can always look at the "abstract" for the patent at http://www.uspto.gov. Their online patent search server currently goes back about five years, with more to come.=20 ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-ne= rd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320=20 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 11:29:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA00667 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00543; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04752; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:27:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:27:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199602031927.UAA04752@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.667 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: WSJ art on Patterson cell Cc: rjberry@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:56 03.02.1996 -0800, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >From: Ray Berry >Subject: WSJ art on Patterson cell >To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) > > > There is an article in the 29 Jan 96 Wall Street Journal discussing >the Patterson cold fusion cell that might interest readers of this list. >-- Is it possible for someone to scan it and post it ? (If this does not violate copyrights...) Regards, Stefan. >Ray Berry kb7ht rjberry@eskimo.com Bellevue, WA /* inquire within */ > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 12:19:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA09525 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from eunet.EU.net (eunet.EU.net [192.16.202.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA09473 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:19:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dux.ru (ns.dux.ru [193.125.210.65]) by eunet.EU.net (8.7.2/8.6.10) with ESMTP id VAA19317 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:00:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from duxjr.dux.ru (duxjr-sl.dux.ru [193.125.210.2]) by dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA06105 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:58:06 +0300 (MSK) Received: from frolov.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by duxjr.dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with UUCP id WAA20490 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:57:01 +0300 (MSK) Received: by frolov.spb.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 06Jun95) id AA25152; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:16:45 +0300 (MSK) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person X-UIDL: 834952770.668 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 22:16:41 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: fnrg: Free Energy Conference in St.-Petersburg, Russia, June 1996. Lines: 104 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I repeat this message since fax numbers was rejected in message before. ........................................................................ International Conference St.-Petersburg, Russia Dear Sir, Local Organizing Commitee consisting of Chairman: Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences; Members: Dr. Anatoly A. Efimov, Russian Academy of Sciences; Dr. Jaroslav G. Klyushin Dr. Kirill P. Butusov Dr. Juri A. Zakoldajev, for Technics of Exploring; Ms. Alexandra A. Shpitalnaja Astronomical Observatory, Russian Academy of Sciences; Mr. Vladimir A. Fogel Association "SVETLANA"; Mr. Alexander V. Frolov, Academy of MegaSciences, Institute for Free Energy. INVITE YOU to take part in work of conference that will take place from 17 to 22 June, 1996, in St.-Petersburg, Russia. Next committees are planed: PHYSICS 1. Modern problems in physics. Theoretical reports. 2. New energetics, practical results. 3. Gravitation and overlapping technologies. 4. Development of Tesla's ideas. GEOLOGY 5-days Seminar "The ecological problems and geology" will take place in parallel with physics committee. Subjects of lectures ( invited 30 Russian speakers ) are devoted to next topics: electrogravitation, free energy, gyroscopes and anti-gravity reaction, inertial propulsion drives, control by rate of time, scalar electromagnetic interaction, magnetic vector potential interaction, longitudinal electromagnetic wave generation and detection, Mobius surface current effects, single-wire power transmission, heat pump, unipolar ( homopolar ) generator, torsion field. Special reports: Ivan S. Filimonenko, his cold fusion experiments from 1960 to present time; Boris V. Bolotov, transmutation of chemical elements, Vadim A. Shernobrov, experiments on control of rate of time, creation of propulsion force by means of electromagnetics; Konstantin D. Shukalov, demonstration of non-reactive force in device powered by electromagnets; Ivan M. Shahporonov will report on experiments ( demonstration also) on "waves of Kozyrev-Dirak". Nikolay Kozyrev experimented to change the "density of flow of time". Ivan M. Shahporonov state that his device using Mobius surface currents can produce more powerful waves. This radiation can be used as gravity drive or to change the inner structure of matter for transmutation of molucules and atoms in the object. In work of conference will take part specialists from Military Space Academy, St.-Petersburg. Please, send the name of your report, your name and address for contacts, fax, email, and abstract by your report ( from 10 to 20 lines ) in FAX-address of organizing committee or by email to < alex@frolov.spb.ru > to prepare the programm of conference. We must make it before Febriary 15, 1996. Also, please send by post in address: Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov, P.O.BOX 25, 195298, St.-Petersburg, Russia, complete text of your report ( up to 10 pages and 2 Figures ). Consideration of reports cannot be assured if received after April 1. We'll print book of all reports in English before conference for all speakers to help international discussion. The Forum will be held from 17 to 22 June, 1996. We are planing 5-days work, 10 AM - 3 PM sessions, workshops devoted experimental systems and devices will take place in the end of every day. June 22 is reserve day for work. Detailes on registration fee - USD 250 ( book of reports in English, simultaneous interpreting for lectures are included ), hotel ( single rooms are USD 63 per day ) and all organizing questions we'll inform you when we'll receive text of your report that means your desire to take part in Conference as Speaker. FAX Best regards, Chairman Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- Alexander V. Frolov P.O.Box 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 12:21:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA09863 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA09731; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04928; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:20:23 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:20:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199602032020.VAA04928@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.669 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: fnrg: Re:Wallstreet Cold Fusion report... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Found the CF Wall Street article in the newsgroup: Path: news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsun.netmbx.de!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Be rlin.DE!fu-berlin.de!pravda.aa.msen.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.an From: Craig Haynie Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Cold Fusion: Wall Street Journal Article Reprinted Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:55:05 -0600 Organization: Netcom Lines: 137 Message-ID: <310DCED9.7DBD@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-hou5-01.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jan 29 11:57:22 PM PST 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) CC: ccHaynie@ix.netcom.com Here is the Wall Street Journal Article Reprinted: ---------------------------------------------------------- A BOTTLE REKINDLES SCIENTIFIC DEBATE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF COLD FUSION -- Jerry E. Bishop (Wall Street Journal, January 29, 1996, page A9B) To anyone who remembers the 1989 uproar over cold fusion, it's 'deja vu' all over again. A bottle no bigger than a man's fist is creating an unusual stir among power-generation engineers. The bottle is filled with ordinary water and microscopic palladium-coated beads. When a little electric current trickles through the bottle, several hundred times as much power starts coming out in the form of heat -- that is, if one cares to believe the instruments attached to the bottle. The instrument readings are enough, however, to draw the interest of engineers at a handful of major companies and to prompt at least two university laboratories to attempt to figure out what's going on inside the bottle. "It appears on the surface that it works, but no one knows why," say Quinton Bowles, professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Missouri in Kansas City. The little bottle is know as a Patterson Power Cell, named for its inventor, James A. Patterson, a 74-year-old chemist who lives in Sarasota, Fla. Dr. Patterson has turned his power cell over to a start-up Clean Energy Technologies, Inc. in Dallas, headed by his grandson, James W. Reding, 26. Mr. Reding is reticent, except to say that CETI is negotiating to license rights to two utilities that he declines to name and to Motorola, Inc. A Motorola spokeswoman says, "We wouldn't confirm such a report, even if it were true." And so it goes in the tumultuous realm of cold fusion. In 1989, two University of Utah electrochemists, Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons, triggered the whole cold-fusion uproar by saying they had managed to produce nuclear fusion at ordinary room temperatures, using water as a fuel. The notion of a cheap and inexhaustible new source of energy sparked an avalanche of headlines and accolades -- only to fall into disrepute when others found the work to be irreproducible. Shunned by their colleagues in Utah, Messrs. Fleishmann and Pons retreated to a new cold-fusion lab in southern France. The Patterson Power Cell differs in some key ways from the Utah approach, but in some quarters, it raises the same level of skepticism. "It's been a long time since anybody tried to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge," says materials scientist Howard K. Birnbaum, who saw the cell demonstrated last October. "I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now." Dr. Birnbaum, director of the Materials Research Laboratory at the University of Illinois's Urbana campus, adds that "as far as I can see, there's nothing new going on that would justify [claims] that more energy is coming out than is going in." Yet, some supporters say SOMETHING is going on inside the little heat-producing bottle. As with the Utah apparatus, it's claimed that the bottle produces an excess of power as it electrolyzes, or breaks down, water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen atoms. But unlike the controversial and unpredictable Utah experiments, the Patterson cell can be turned on and off seemingly at will. Several working devices built by Dr. Patterson have been made available to two teams. "This is the first time that we have a system that seems to work every time," says a nuclear chemist who consults to utilities. The cell's reliability, which would allow scientists to manipulate it, "gives us our first chance to see if this [phenomenon] involves a nuclear reaction," he explains. Moreover, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, which has flatly said that cold fusion, like perpetual motion, is impossible and unpatentable, has issued a patent on the gadget. Although both the original Utah devices and the Patterson cell involve the electrolysis of water, there are marked differences. The electrodes in the originial devices were small rods of palladium surrounded by coils of platinum wire, and these were hung in a bath of "heavy" water in which the hydrogen is a heavy form called deuterium. The Patterson cell, instead of using palladium rods, is filled with microscopic plastic beads coated with a thin layer of palladium sandwiched between two layers of nickel. And most significantly, it's filled with ordinary water made of "light" hydrogen atoms. In both cases, the hydrogen atoms released by the electrolysis are soaked up by the palladium and/or nickel. It's inside the metal that some kind of energy-releasing phenomenon is claimed to take place. A year ago, shortly after CETI was formed, Mr. Reding was touting the Patterson cell as a "cold-fusion" system. He has since dropped that claim and now says that "we believe it is something entirely different." He declines to elaborate. A cold-fusion claim implies that the hydrogen atoms are being forced to fuse, a nuclear reaction that usually occurs at 50 million degrees. Physicists say that if the claims were true, the cold-fusion researchers would die from the intense nuclear radiation that would result. The Patterson cell might have been dismissed as easily as other reputed "cold-fusion" apparatus. But Mr. Reding and his colleagues have been bold enough to demonstrate it at three technical conferences in the last nine months. Most cold-fusionists are reluctant to show off their devices, because they are never sure whether or when they will work. Last month, CETI's Mr. Reding showed off a new Patterson cell at an annual gathering of generating-equipment manufacturers in Anaheim, Calif. It stood about four inches high and one inch in diameter and held about three tablespoons of the tiny beads. People who watched demonstrations that lasted from 30 minutes to two hours say the instruments indicated that, after subtracting the electricty needed to run pumps and fans, about 0.1 to 1.5 watts of power went into the cell itself, while the heat output was 450 to 1300 watts. The dubious Dr. Birnbaum at the University of Illinois says that though the cold-fusion claims are "atrocious" science, the Patterson-cell people "may have stumbled on something else. If so, I hope they are successful and make a lot of money. If not, this ought to be exposed as flimflam." -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 12:52:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA14930 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA14886 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from piranha.tammetta.com [205.164.232.34] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id PAA14037 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:50:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199602032050.PAA14037@borg.mindspring.com> X-Sender: tammetta@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 15:56:04 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.670 From: ben@tammetta.com (Ben Tammetta) Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent...... is here +my 2 cents Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> Can somebody please post this patent: >> >> >> Teruo Kawai, "Motive Power Generating Device," U.S. Patent No. 5,436,518, >> July 25, 1995. Filed June 17, 1993. 16 >> claims, 19 drawing sheets >> >> This was explained on Tom Bearden´s home page at Virtuel Times >> and I would like to study this patent for more info on this >> really interesting subject ! > >You can always look at the "abstract" for the patent at >http://www.uspto.gov. Their online patent search server currently goes >back about five years, with more to come. > Stefan, This URL should take you directly there http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/cgi-bin/patbib_fetch?/pto7+PATBIB-95+5436518+F +1477 There is an abstract but no pictures. Also, from my brief experiments and results (constant linear motion) from the PM-Square http://www.b-2.de.contrib.net/harti/energy/PM_Square (Stefan's) device and concept it would seem possible to make a rotary version that ran only with precisely cut and placed steel and magnets. It appears that the metal can dampen or partially contain the unwanted flux of the magnetic field of a permanent magnet. This is what I believe to have observed under some crude experiments... Does anyone else have the same experiences or ideas or am I missing something? Have you done any more with this Stefan? ben -- -- @ @ --------------------------------------------------oooO-------0--------Oooo-- ------ Ben Tammetta, EIT work: ben@tlogic.com (404) 843-9111 Ext 34 home: ben@tammetta.com voice (404) 842-9787 Pager: (404) 341-5356 "Knowledge is potential, Applied knowledge is POWER!!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 13:16:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA19067 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA16584; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA05058; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:47:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:47:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199602032047.VAA05058@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.671 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent please... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:14 03.02.1996 -0800, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> Can somebody please post this patent: >>=20 >>=20 >> Teruo Kawai, "Motive Power Generating Device," U.S. Patent No. 5,436,518, >> July 25, 1995. Filed June 17, 1993. 16 >> claims, 19 drawing sheets >>=20 >> This was explained on Tom Bearden=B4s home page at Virtuel Times >> and I would like to study this patent for more info on this=20 >> really interesting subject ! > >You can always look at the "abstract" for the patent at >http://www.uspto.gov. Their online patent search server currently goes >back about five years, with more to come.=20 > >..............................freenrg-list................................ >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com = EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320=20 > > > > Okay I found this: United States Patent = =20 5,436,518 Kawai = =20 Jul. 25, 1995 Motive power generating device=20 Inventors:=20 Kawai; Teruo (4-3-905, Nishikamata 7-chome, Ota-ku, Tokyo, JPX).= =20 Assignee:=20 Nihon Riken Co., Ltd. (Tokyo, JPX); Kawai; Teruo (Tokyo, JPX).=20 Appl. No.:=20 079,120 Filed:=20 Jun. 17, 1993 Intl. Cl.: H02K 7/02; H02K 7/075;=20 U.S. Cl.: 31 0/156.; 310/68.B; Field of Search: 68 R;68 B;70 R;152;156;184;12;81=20 References Cited U.S. Patent Documents 3,344,325 Sept., 1967 Sklaroff = =20 318/138 3,411,059 Nov., 1968 Kaiwa = =20 318/138 3,473,061 Oct., 1969 Soehner et al. = =20 310/156 3,555,380 Jan., 1971 Hings = =20 318/135 3,577,053 May, 1971 McGee = =20 318/254 3,707,638 Dec., 1972 Nailen = =20 310/152 4,095,161 Jun., 1978 Heine et al. = =20 318/696 4,306,164 Dec., 1981 Itoh et al. = =20 310/ 49 R 4,347,457 Aug., 1982 Sakamoto = =20 310/256 4,357,551 Nov., 1982 Dulondel = =20 310/ 46 4,406,958 Sept., 1983 Palmero et al. = =20 310/ 49 R 4,633,108 Dec., 1986 von der Heide = =20 310/ 12 4,712,028 Dec., 1987 Horber = =20 310/ 49 R 4,719,378 Jan., 1988 Katsuma et al. = =20 310/ 67 R 4,728,837 Mar., 1988 Bhadra = =20 310/ 80 4,774,440 Sept., 1988 Bhadra = =20 310/ 81 4,786,834 Nov., 1988 Grant et al. = =20 310/194 4,870,306 Sept., 1989 Petersen = =20 310/ 12 5,023,495 Jun., 1991 Ohsaka et al. = =20 310/ 12 5,030,866 Jul., 1991 Kawai = =20 310/ 82 5,105,111 Apr., 1992 Luebke = =20 310/ 46 5,191,255 Mar., 1993 Kloosterhouse et al. = =20 310/156 5,192,899 Mar., 1993 Simpson et al. = =20 318/139 5,258,697 Nov., 1993 Ford et al. = =20 318/498 Foreign Patent Documents 0082356 Jun., 1983 EPX 0411563A1 Feb., 1991 EPX Other References IBM Technical Disclosure Bulletin, Wound Rotor Incremental Motor, P. J. Davies et al, vol. 12, No. 12, May 1970, p. 2130.=20 Primary Examiner: Dougherty; Thomas M.=20 Assistant Examiner: Haszko; D. R.=20 Abstract A motive power generating device comprises a permanent magnet disposed around a rotational output shaft for rotation therewith, the output shaft being mounted on a support member for rotation, a magnetic body disposed in concentric relationship with the permanent magnet for rotation with the rotational output shaft, the magnetic body being subjected to magnetic flux generated by the permanent magnet, a plurality of electromagnets fixedly mounted to the support member in such a manner that they are spaced at predetermined distances around the periphery of the magnetic body, each magnetic circuit of the electromagnets being adapted to be independent of one another, and excitation change-over means for the electromagnets, the excitation change-over means being adapted to sequentially magnetize one of the electromagnets which is positioned forwardly with regard to a rotational direction of the rotational output shaft, so as to impart to the particular electromagnet a magnetic polarity opposite to that of the magnetic pole of the permanent magnet, whereby magnetic flux passing through the magnetic body converges in one direction so as to apply a rotational torque to the rotational output shaft. No force opposing movement of a rotor or movable element is generated.=20 16 Claims, 34 Drawing Figures=20 -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From 71232.360@compuserve.com Sat Feb 3 14:24:21 1996 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.9.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00543 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA09496; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:18:21 -0500 Date: 03 Feb 96 17:17:29 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.672 From: Chris Malcheski <71232.360@compuserve.com> To: William Beaty Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory Message-ID: <960203221729_71232.360_GHL101-2@CompuServe.COM> Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bill, >> Email to me as an attachment, and I'll put them on the freenrg-list web page. << I'd love to, but I can't send files across the Internet. This is why I needed an FTP site. Do you have a CIS account? -- Chris From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 15:43:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA14998 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.com (chope@escape.com [198.6.71.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA14965 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chope@localhost) by escape.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA00368; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:35:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.674 From: Charles Hope To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: RE[2]: FNRG: MAKING F In-Reply-To: <9601312002.A8126wk@deepcove.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 31 Jan 1996 greg.birdsall@deepcove.com wrote: > > I work in the film business and the compound we use to make fog is called > polyethylene glycol. You heat it to 300 or 400 deg F. and you have fog. An > electric frying pan will do the job. The stuff is sometimes used as a > thickener in food. > I believe this is available as anti-freeze as well. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 16:06:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA19386 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA19341 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA29426 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:04:54 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA01695; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:05:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:05:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602040005.SAA01695@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.675 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Bearden's latest. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > I strongly recommend anyone interested in this latest material compare > it to the older works by the same author. Does anyone know if the > older publications are still available? > > I think most of them are, through the Tesla Book Company. THE EXCALIBUR BRIEFING seems to be out of print and impossible to get now. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 17:28:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA07464 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07403 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip135.vvm.com (slip135.vvm.com [204.71.94.45]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08589 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:06:44 -0600 Received: by slip135.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAF240.DA639CE0@slip135.vvm.com>; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:06:46 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAF240.DA639CE0@slip135.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.676 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: RE: fnrg: Hovertec on the WWW Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:00:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill, Thanks for putting the hovertec stuff on the WWW. It sure saves me a = lot of time. =20 AS for working hardware. One image that I did not scan shows an actual = hoverboard in use. It is a rather large model about the size of the Pit = Bull type from the BTTF2 movie. Thanks again, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 17:31:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA22864 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from l2.conline.com (l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA22746; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from darkstar.conline.com (fearl@dal1-11.conline.com [204.96.7.11]) by l2.conline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29179; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:45:08 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:49:57 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.677 From: Svartalf To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Bearden's latest. In-Reply-To: <9601018232.AA823208994@ccgate2.nectech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996 rshannon@nectech.com wrote: > I strongly recommend anyone interested in this latest material compare > it to the older works by the same author. Does anyone know if the > older publications are still available? Hit Bill's web page at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/. It has most of the works available through the KeelyNet mirrors. Also hit Elektromagnum at http://nucleus.ibg.uu.se:80/~david/elektromagnum/web/ It has all of the works I know of from Bearden. As to the Excalibur Briefing, I don't know if it's still in print (Interesting read- but kinda obfuscated, if you ask me...) but I still see copies occasionally in used bookstores. I've not seen the latest stuff (From the Virtual Times web page)- so I can't say that he's obfuscating things or just found out he was barking up the wrong tree and just recently discovered said. Frank Earl Earl Consulting Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a $500 archival fee per copy. E-mail recieved after any reciept of this notice implys acceptance of these terms. A copy of USC 47 may be found online at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 17:35:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA06323 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (root@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA06267 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id JAA10984; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:59:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.678 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: "Steve Boak" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:22:21 +8 Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... > Date: 13 Jan 96 16:20:25 EST > From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> > To: > Subject: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... > Reply-to: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > Jim - > > >All I'd ask is that it be kept confidential until our > >product hits the market....it is going to cause some > >sort of "storm" in the dowsing world. > > >Any interest from anyone?? > > Yes. I tried a bit of L-rod and pendulum dowsing for lost objects buried in > sand a few years ago with no success. I still thing there's something to the > principle of dowsing though, and I'm curious to try it again if there's > something more sensitive to subtle body reactions than metal rods or pendulums. > > Have any luck with your method when used on buried objects? > > Thanks, > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI > I used to to a bit of dowsing as a kid (20 years ago now - doesn't time fly) where one of us would hide a coin somewhere around the house, and the others would find it with L shaped dowsing rods. Worked almost 100% of the time. We also had a contractor drill for water on our property, and he dowsed for the right place first. The amazing thing was not that he found water, but the detail he had BEFORE he started drilling, all from a Y shaped piece of wattle (a fairly wiry Australian bush). He said that the water would be 107 feet down, and slightly salty. It was 108 feet down, and slightly salty. Pretty Close! I watched him do the devining, and it was one of the most unexplainable things I have ever seen. The wattle twisted around in his hands until one side of the Y actually twisted off, without him moving his hands. I checked the dowsing stick afterwards, and tried to twist the other leg off. It was a very tough piece of green stick. (This guy makes his living at this - if he doesn't find water, you don't pay him!) I don't know how it works, but I am convinced. Obviously divining for water is but one small aspect of the possible uses of this technology if it can be developed as a tool. Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- I don't care how old I get, as long as I don't have to grow up! Steve Boak - steveb@iinet.net.au --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 18:03:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA09523 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA09469 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id VAA16862 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:02:19 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:05:36 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.679 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Info on the Takashi engine... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Hi, > >I found this on the Bearden Homepages.... > >What do you think ? Is it for real ?? >Regards, Stefan. > > > >The Takahashi Engine > > >See Figure 8 for the principle of the Takahashi engine. (footnote 73) Here a >set of permanent magnets, each at an >angle to the various radial lines of the device, comprises a slightly >widening spiral stator that is "almost" circular but not >quite. A circular rotor is mounted inside this spiral stator. An end gap >exists in the stator as shown, so that the stator is >not a complete closed ring. The direction of rotation for the rotor is >clockwise as shown. For demonstration of the >principle, the beginning air gap is 0.1 mm and the ending air gap is 5 mm. [snip...] Wayne Green, publisher of "73" magazine (a magazine for amateur radio operators) describes riding around London on a scooter powered by a Takahashi motor. (See the Feb. 1996 issue, page 76-77.) He clearly thinks that it is not a hoax. He also mentions that Takahashi has developed capacitors of 250 microfarads with dimensions only 0.05 in. x 0.1 in. Regards, Michael R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 3 19:45:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA26750 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA26683 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from t9.dialup.peg.apc.org (t9.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.137]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.10 ) with SMTP id OAA00664 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:44:10 +1000 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:44:10 +1000 Message-Id: <199602040444.OAA00664@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.680 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >--- FORWARDED --- > >From: "Steve Boak" >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:22:21 +8 >Subject: Re: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... > >> Date: 13 Jan 96 16:20:25 EST >> From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> >> To: >> Subject: fnrg: Hartmann and Curry... >> Reply-to: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >> Jim - >> >> >All I'd ask is that it be kept confidential until our >> >product hits the market....it is going to cause some >> >sort of "storm" in the dowsing world. >> >> >Any interest from anyone?? >> >> Yes. I tried a bit of L-rod and pendulum dowsing for lost objects buried in >> sand a few years ago with no success. I still thing there's something to the >> principle of dowsing though, and I'm curious to try it again if there's >> something more sensitive to subtle body reactions than metal rods or pendulums. >> >> Have any luck with your method when used on buried objects? >> >> Thanks, >> >> - Rick Monteverde >> Honolulu, HI >> > I've been using this mental pendulum mainly to check the correctness of advert copy I have to write daily....and also to analyse dreams. Basically I program to have a specific dream to analyse a problem....and use the M/Pendulum to analyse the dream result. This is the only way I've ever found to decode dreams. Am not really interested in "playing games" with it...haven't got the time....but am very keen to try it down an opal mine. Got the feeling it could be a winner. I've watched some of these water diviners work.....they upset my sense of "scientific correctness" somewhat...because they usually get it right. Round our area in Brisbane water drillers will not sink a well until the spot has been identified by a dowser. And having developed this mental pendulum...I haven't got a clue how it works. Wish somebody could explain it. I've got my own mall starting in a week or two and will advertise this product on a page. This floppy disc product will also contain an instructional course on Remote Viewing, Psychokinetic problem solving, Subjective Communication..... and dream control. Also it will contain 3 brand new unthought-of positions for sexual intercourse. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND CONCEPTS From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 00:05:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA12362 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA12337 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id XAA27637; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:59:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:59:45 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.681 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Decoding various graphics files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ... > photographs embedded inside them using decoded ASCII characters. What > is the name of the engine that can be used to decode these files. Also > do you have to do CUT and PASTE preprocessing of the file before > displaying the image. Unfortunately there are numerous different file transfer formats. The Hovertec file was a MIME encoded attachment, which many email programs will automatically decode. I don't know how to decode MIME stuff other than to tell EUDORA or PINE email programs to SAVE ATTACHMENT. But the resulting MIME-encoded file was called hovertec.zip, meaning it was also in pkzip compression format, requiring pkunzip.exe (if using a PC) to decompress. Inside the .zip file was a textfile and four GIF diagrams (which I've placed on the freenrg-list webpage.) PKZIP is shareware. On newsgroups the usual encoding format is UUENCODE. If the encoded file has semicolons at the beginning of each line, then it requires UUDECODE to decompress it. And yes, it helps to strip off the message headers before running UUDECODE, leaving everything between the "begin" and "end" statements (including these statements) UUDECODE is freeware. CNET maintains a shareware archive search webpage which will look in a variety of places for requested shareware, which then can be downloaded. I think the site is at http://www.vsl.com. If not, use LYCOS, etc., to search for "vsl front desk" .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 05:56:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA25333 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from eunet.EU.net (eunet.EU.net [192.16.202.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA25319 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dux.ru (door.dux.ru [193.125.210.3]) by eunet.EU.net (8.7.2/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA28917 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:54:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from duxjr.dux.ru (duxjr-sl.dux.ru [193.125.210.2]) by dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18035 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:32:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from frolov.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by duxjr.dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with UUCP id KAA22353 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:31:52 +0300 (MSK) Received: by frolov.spb.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 06Jun95) id AA23616; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:14:02 +0300 (MSK) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person X-UIDL: 834952770.682 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 96 10:13:59 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: fnrg: cold fusion of 1960 Lines: 60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello, Are you have any information about Russian cold ( warm ) fusion research of 1960? Look this file, please, and ask youself only one thing: "WHY ?" ............. This information is prepared by Russian magazine for inventors "Izobretatel i Razionalizator" numer 1, 1995, page 8-9. Translation and commenary by Alexander V. Frolov. "The fusion is coming but where is Kurtchatov?" by N.E.Zaev, Moscow ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dux.ru (door.dux.ru [193.125.210.3]) by eunet.EU.net (8.7.2/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA28978 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:55:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from duxjr.dux.ru (duxjr-sl.dux.ru [193.125.210.2]) by dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17663 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:01:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: from frolov.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by duxjr.dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with UUCP id KAA22250 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:00:04 +0300 (MSK) Received: by frolov.spb.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 06Jun95) id AA23744; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:24:52 +0300 (MSK) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person X-UIDL: 834952770.683 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 96 09:24:49 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Lines: 96 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International Conference St.-Petersburg, Russia Dear Sir, Local Organizing Commitee consisting of Chairman: Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov, Physics and Technology Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences ( RAS ); Members: Dr. Anatoly A. Efimov, Main Astronomical Observatory, RAS; Dr. Jaroslav G. Klyushin; Dr. Kirill P. Butusov, St.-Petersburg's State University; Dr. Juri A. Zakoldajev, Scientific Research Institute for Technics of Exploring; Ms. Alexandra A. Shpitalnaja, Main Astronomical Observatory, RAS; Mr. Vladimir A. Fogel, Scientific Industrial Association "SVETLANA"; Mr. Alexander V. Frolov, member of Academy of MegaSciences, Institute for Free Energy. INVITE YOU to take part in work of conference that will take place from 17 to 22 June, 1996, in St.-Petersburg, Russia. Next committees are planed: PHYSICS 1. Modern problems in physics. Theoretical reports. 2. New energetics, practical results. 3. Gravitation and overlapping technologies. 4. Development of Tesla's ideas. GEOLOGY 5-days Seminar "The ecological problems and geology" will take place in parallel with physics committee. Subjects of lectures ( invited 30 Russian speakers ) are devoted to next topics: electrogravitation, free energy, gyroscopes and anti-gravity reaction, inertial propulsion drives, control by rate of time, scalar electromagnetic interaction, magnetic vector potential interaction, longitudinal electromagnetic wave generation and detection, Mobius surface current effects, single-wire power transmission, heat pump, unipolar ( homopolar ) generator, torsion field. Special reports: Ivan S. Filimonenko, his cold fusion experiments from 1960 to present time; Boris V. Bolotov, transmutation of chemical elements, Vadim A. Shernobrov, experiments on control of rate of time, creation of propulsion force by means of electromagnetics; Konstantin D. Shukalov, demonstration of non-reactive force in devices powered by electromagnetics; Ivan M. Shahporonov report on experiments ( demonstration also) on "waves of Kozyrev-Dirak". Nikolay Kozyrev experimented to change the "density of flow of time". Ivan M. Shahporonov state that his device using Mobius surface currents can produce more powerful waves. This radiation can be used as gravity drive or to change the inner structure of matter for transmutation of molucules and atoms in the object. In work of conference will take part specialists from Military Space Academy, St.-Petersburg. Please, send the name of your report, your name and address for contacts, fax, email, and abstract by your report ( from 10 to 20 lines ) in FAX-address of organizing committee: 7-812-2471017 7-812-2478924 email to prepare the programm of conference. We must make it before Febriary 15, 1996. Also, please send by post in address: Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov, P.O.BOX 25, 195298, St.-Petersburg, Russia, complete text of your report ( up to 10 pages and 2 Figures ). Consideration of reports cannot be assured if received after April 1. We'll print book of all reports in English before conference for all speakers to help international discussion. The Forum will be held from 17 to 22 June, 1996. We are planing 5-days work, 10 AM - 3 PM sessions, workshops devoted experimental systems and devices will take place in the end of every day. June 22 is reserve day for work. Detailes on registration fee - USD 250 ( book of reports in English, simultaneous interpreting for lectures are included ), hotel ( single rooms are USD 63 per day ) and all organizing questions we'll inform you when we'll receive text of your report that means your desire to take part in Conference as Speaker. Best regards, Chairman Dr. Anatoly P. Smirnov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Alexander V. Frolov P.O.Box 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 07:01:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA00390 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 07:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA00384 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 06:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA28093 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:59:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA14636; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:59:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:59:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602041459.IAA14636@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.684 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Decoding various graphics files Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Unfortunately there are numerous different file transfer formats. The >Hovertec file was a MIME encoded attachment, which many email programs >will automatically decode. I don't know how to decode MIME stuff other >than to tell EUDORA or PINE email programs to SAVE ATTACHMENT. But the >resulting MIME-encoded file was called hovertec.zip, meaning it was also >in pkzip compression format, requiring pkunzip.exe (if using a PC) to >decompress. Inside the .zip file was a textfile and four GIF diagrams >(which I've placed on the freenrg-list webpage.) PKZIP is shareware. > >On newsgroups the usual encoding format is UUENCODE. If the encoded file >has semicolons at the beginning of each line, then it requires UUDECODE >to decompress it. And yes, it helps to strip off the message headers >before running UUDECODE, leaving everything between the "begin" and "end" >statements (including these statements) UUDECODE is freeware. You can ftp MIME64 from the University of Illinois archive site "uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu". Directory is "SimTel/msdos/decode". There you can ftp "mime64b.zip" which contains everything you'll need to decode MIME-encoded messages. In the same directory is a file called "uuxfer20.zip" which encodes and decodes files as UUENCODE/UUDECODE. There are a lot of other goodies there for file encoding and decoding. The one I haven't been able to locate yet is BinHex4.0. My local computer guru can't find that one either. I hope this helps! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 16:01:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA22009 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from jshaffer (jshaffer.pennet.net [204.183.192.134]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21979 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jshaffer@localhost) by jshaffer (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00156; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:37:42 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.685 From: "Jim Shaffer Jr." Message-Id: <199602042337.SAA00156@jshaffer> Subject: fnrg: time travel To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:37:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: 71232.360@compuserve.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) I'd like to see it, unless it's the Bajak device which I already have plans for. (Although I've never heard of anyone other than Bajak getting results, so I never tried it myself.) If this is the device mentioned in Strange Magazine recently built by Steven Gibbs et al, I should mention that a friend who contacted Bruce Perrault about his alleged connection to it says that Perrault says that the device not only doesn't work, but that it's dangerous. -- * From the disk of: | jshaffer@pennet.net | "there's a hell of Jim Shaffer, Jr. | /\v/\ // | a good universe 37 Brook Street | This signature // | next door; let's go" Montgomery, PA 17752 | under construction. \\// | (e.e. cummings) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 16:31:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA26785 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26750 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA19777; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199602050029.QAA19777@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.686 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: RE[2]: FNRG: MAKING F To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: > > > >On Wed, 31 Jan 1996 greg.birdsall@deepcove.com wrote: > >> >> I work in the film business and the compound we use to make fog is called >> polyethylene glycol. You heat it to 300 or 400 deg F. and you have fog. An >> electric frying pan will do the job. The stuff is sometimes used as a >> thickener in food. >> > >I believe this is available as anti-freeze as well. > 2/4/96 Antifreeze contains ethelynene glycol which is poisonous if consumed by humans. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 19:22:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA22287 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA22253 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id WAA07433; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:17:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:17:37 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.687 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: time travel To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199602042337.SAA00156@jshaffer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Jim Shaffer Jr. wrote: > > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > I'd like some more information on that if possible... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skyward Aerospace Company Box 29062 - 125 Carlton Street St. Catharines, ON L2R-7P9 Canada Voice: (905)685-8726 Extension #1 Fax: Call In Advance E-Mail: wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "Today Is A Day For Firm Decisions! Or Is It?" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 21:38:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA13659 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1b.gnn.com (mail-e1b.gnn.com [204.148.101.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA13649 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-21-202.gnn.com. (www-21-202.gnn.com [205.188.21.202]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00276 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 00:37:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602050537.AAA00276@mail-e1b.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 00:36:12 X-UIDL: 834952770.688 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: RE[2]: FNRG: MAKING F Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As I recall, ethylene glycol is vehicle antifreeze, and propylene glycol is the food additive. I seem to remember a mention of this latter substance being the material used by the special effects persons in the remake of the old sci-fi movie, The Blob. Paul Lamb --As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. --Conrad H. Weisert, president, Union Carbide, 1964 >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 1493 >Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com > [204.122.16.4]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with > ESMTP id UAA20685; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:58:56 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com > (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA26785 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, > 4 Feb 1996 16:31:25 -0800 (PST) >Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com > [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with > SMTP id QAA26750 for ; Sun, 4 Feb > 1996 16:31:17 -0800 (PST) >Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) > id QAA19777; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:59 -0800 >X-UIDL: 823498245.001 >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:59 -0800 >Message-Id: <199602050029.QAA19777@ix2.ix.netcom.com> >From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) >Subject: Re: fnrg: RE[2]: FNRG: MAKING F >To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >You wrote: >> >> >> >>On Wed, 31 Jan 1996 greg.birdsall@deepcove.com wrote: >> >>> >>> I work in the film business and the compound we use to > make fog is >called >>> polyethylene glycol. You heat it to 300 or 400 deg F. and > you have >fog. An >>> electric frying pan will do the job. The stuff is > sometimes used as >a >>> thickener in food. >>> >> >>I believe this is available as anti-freeze as well. >> >2/4/96 > >Antifreeze contains ethelynene glycol which is poisonous if > consumed by >humans. > >RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 4 23:57:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA02367 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from epact.se (root@epact.se [193.45.215.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA02339 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fluor (fluor.epact.se [192.36.138.9]) by epact.se (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01243 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:57:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199602050757.IAA01243@epact.se> X-Sender: ingvar@mailhost X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 09:00:04 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.689 From: ingvar@epact.se (Ingvar Karlsson) Subject: Re: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Jim Shaffer Jr. wrote: > >> > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple >> > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) >> > I'd like some information on that device. /Ingvar From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 05:19:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA29453 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA29445 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:17:20 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.690 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP id QQabpl15830; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQabpl03253; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:17:17 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA823537048; Mon, 05 Feb 96 08:12:06 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 08:12:06 EDT Encoding: 15 Text Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823537048@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I thought the Hodownec detector was for gravitational waves. Does it detect scalars too? and is there any reference to the other better detectors? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/02/96 11:12 AM I suggest you look into the Hodowanec "gravity wave" detector design, while this is an really poor detector, it does work. There are better detectors however, but this is a good starting point. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 05:26:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA00515 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA00506 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:26:05 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.691 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQabpl07081; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQabpl04396; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:26:03 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA823537584; Mon, 05 Feb 96 08:21:10 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 08:21:10 EDT Encoding: 13 Text Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823537584@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Jim Shaffer Jr. wrote: > > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > I'd like some more information on that if possible... Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 06:09:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA05806 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ebitgw.elektrobit.fi (elektrobit.fi [194.157.154.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05766 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:08:34 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.692 From: Juha.Valtanen@elektrobit.fi Received: by elektrobit.fi id AA27514 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:09:02 +0200 Received: from ccMail by smtplink.elektrobit.fi (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823565239; Mon, 05 Feb 96 16:06:19 EET Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 16:06:19 EET Encoding: 14 Text Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823565239@smtplink.elektrobit.fi> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[3]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Jim Shaffer Jr. wrote: > > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > I'd also like some more information on that if possible... Juha Valtanen Juha.Valtanen@elektrobit.oulu.fi From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 08:51:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA02629 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA02584 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.693 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA23447; Mon, 5 Feb 96 11:46:10 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823549545; Mon, 05 Feb 96 10:28:32 EST Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 10:28:32 EST Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823549545@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Time travel. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely >simple plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) Count me in as being interested in this as well. I'd love to "dissect" the plans. How may I get a copy of these? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 09:20:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA07914 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA07812 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:17:24 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.694 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQabqb18860; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQabqb17183; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:16:18 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA823551378; Mon, 05 Feb 96 12:14:53 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 12:14:53 EDT Encoding: 21 Text Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823551378@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: scalar books Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi there, I don't know if you can help me with the following: I'm looking for a couple articles related to scalars. They appeared in the 1986 International Telsa Symposium Proceeding. I called the ITS to order a copy. However, the book is out of print and it won't be reprinted anymore. Does anybody has a copy? I'm willing to pay cost of the copies, postage and time spend in obtaining the copies. I'm in the DC area. Thank you very much for your attention. Any help would be really appreciated Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com w 301-251-4204 4916 Bristow Dr Annandale VA 22003 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 10:18:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA17131 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from wanda.phl.pond.com (wanda.phl.pond.com [198.69.82.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16738 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from arctic-8.vf.pond.com by wanda.phl.pond.com (8.6.12/gw.1.0) id NAA14426; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:04:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:04:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199602051804.NAA14426@wanda.phl.pond.com> X-Sender: toolman@mail.pond.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.695 From: "William P. Taylor" Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Time travel. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Send me some info. At 10:28 am 2/5/96 EST, you wrote: > >reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely > >simple plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > > > Count me in as being interested in this as well. I'd love to > "dissect" the plans. How may I get a copy of these? > > ------------------------------------- William P. Taylor From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 13:43:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA26460 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA26112 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA11275; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:34:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:34:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199602052134.WAA11275@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.696 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent...... is here +my 2 cents Cc: ben@tlogic.com, ben@tammetta.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 15:56 03.02.1996 -0600, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >>On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Stefan Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Can somebody please post this patent: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Teruo Kawai, "Motive Power Generating Device," U.S. Patent No.= 5,436,518, >>> July 25, 1995. Filed June 17, 1993. 16 >>> claims, 19 drawing sheets >>>=20 >>> This was explained on Tom Bearden=B4s home page at Virtuel Times >>> and I would like to study this patent for more info on this=20 >>> really interesting subject ! >> >>You can always look at the "abstract" for the patent at >>http://www.uspto.gov. Their online patent search server currently goes >>back about five years, with more to come.=20 >> > >Stefan, >This URL should take you directly there >http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/cgi-bin/patbib_fetch?/pto7+PATBIB-95+5436518+= F >+1477 >There is an abstract but no pictures. Yes, I have already posted to the list the extract from it. > >Also, from my brief experiments and results (constant linear motion) from >the PM-Square http://www.b-2.de.contrib.net/harti/energy/PM_Square >(Stefan's) device and concept it would seem possible to make a rotary >version that ran only with precisely cut and placed steel and magnets. It >appears that the metal can dampen or partially contain the unwanted flux= of >the magnetic field of a permanent magnet.=20 Yes, it should be possible.. Had no time yet to do further research yet myself.. > >This is what I believe to have observed under some crude experiments...= Does >anyone else have the same experiences or ideas or am I missing something? >Have you done any more with this Stefan? > >ben =20 > = =20 > -- -- =20 > = =20 > @ @ >--------------------------------------------------oooO-------0--------Oooo-= - >------ >Ben Tammetta, EIT >work: ben@tlogic.com (404) 843-9111 Ext 34 >home: ben@tammetta.com voice (404) 842-9787 Pager: (404) 341-5356 >"Knowledge is potential, Applied knowledge is POWER!!" =20 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >---------------- > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 14:05:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA01648 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com (ix8.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA01594 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma5-04.ix.netcom.com by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA10215; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:03:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:03:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199602052203.OAA10215@ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.697 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Info on the Takashi engine... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Was this the 'Sciex Magnet' motorscooter? Dennis C. Lee At 09:05 PM 2/3/96 -0500, you wrote: >Wayne Green, publisher of "73" magazine (a magazine for amateur radio >operators) describes riding around London on a scooter powered by a >Takahashi motor. (See the Feb. 1996 issue, page 76-77.) He clearly thinks >that it is not a hoax. > >He also mentions that Takahashi has developed capacitors of 250 microfarads >with dimensions only 0.05 in. x 0.1 in. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 15:01:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA11772 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11588 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11739; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:58:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:58:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199602052258.XAA11739@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.698 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent...... is here +my 2 cents Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >>> Teruo Kawai, "Motive Power Generating Device," U.S. Patent No.= 5,436,518, >>> July 25, 1995. Filed June 17, 1993. 16 >>> claims, 19 drawing sheets >>>=20 >>> This was explained on Tom Bearden=B4s home page at Virtuel Times >>> and I would like to study this patent for more info on this=20 >>> really interesting subject ! >> >>You can always look at the "abstract" for the patent at >>http://www.uspto.gov. Their online patent search server currently goes >>back about five years, with more to come.=20 >> > >Stefan, >This URL should take you directly there >http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/cgi-bin/patbib_fetch?/pto7+PATBIB-95+5436518+= F >+1477 >There is an abstract but no pictures. > Does anybody know, if there is also an online search via WEB possible, where I can have a look at all the whole text of the patent including the pictures ?? Is there something like this available versus a fee ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 19:04:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA19575 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (pra@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA19335 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pra@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA13806 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:45:38 -0700 (MST) X-UIDL: 834952770.699 From: Ed Harada Message-Id: <199602060245.TAA13806@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: fnrg: scalar books To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:45:37 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <9601058235.AA823551378@westatpo.westat.com> from "FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com" at Feb 5, 96 12:14:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You can try the Colorado Springs Library. They have a special Tesla collection, which includes old copies of the ITA pubs. Maybe they can make a copy for you. Ed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 21:52:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA22198 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA22160 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id AAA25657 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:51:56 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:55:15 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.700 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Info on the Takashi engine... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Was this the 'Sciex Magnet' motorscooter? > >Dennis C. Lee > > >At 09:05 PM 2/3/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>Wayne Green, publisher of "73" magazine (a magazine for amateur radio >>operators) describes riding around London on a scooter powered by a >>Takahashi motor. (See the Feb. 1996 issue, page 76-77.) He clearly thinks >>that it is not a hoax. Sorry, I am unfamiliar with that device. Green simply call it the Takahashi scooter. Regards, Michael R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 5 22:04:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA24095 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24077 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham-slip3.netconnect.com.au (horsham-slip3.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.43]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12895 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:07:44 +1100 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:07:44 +1100 Message-Id: <199602060607.RAA12895@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.701 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) I'd really like some more information on that if possible. Thanks, Chris Carter. ccarter@netconnect.com.au From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 00:42:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA18043 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:42:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (windski@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18035; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:41:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:41:57 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.702 From: Tony Rusi To: Chris Carter cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel In-Reply-To: <199602060607.RAA12895@ren.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Chris Carter wrote: > > > > > > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > > > I'd really like some more information on that if possible. > > Thanks, > > Chris Carter. > ccarter@netconnect.com.au > > > > > Anybody have anything on Art Bell's "madman Markham"? He was supposed to have put the laser from a CD player on a Jacob's ladder and created a device that made small objects like screws dissapear for a time. Anybody try repeating this experiment? Tony Rusi -- Don't buy stars son they makin too many of 'em! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 02:11:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA27604 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 02:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip-1.slip.net (slip-1.slip.net [204.160.88.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA27594 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 02:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from chi-pm4-18.freeppp.com (chi-pm4-18.freeppp.com [204.162.179.212]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA03842 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:51:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199602060651.WAA03842@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: tchand@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 01:47:27 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.703 From: tchand@slip.net (Tim Chandler) Subject: Re: fnrg: scalar books Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I don't know if you can help me with the following: > > I'm looking for a couple articles related to scalars. They appeared in > the 1986 International Telsa Symposium Proceeding. I called the ITS to > order a copy. However, the book is out of print and it won't be > reprinted anymore. Does anybody has a copy? I'm willing to pay cost > of the copies, postage and time spend in obtaining the copies. I'm in > the DC area. > > Thank you very much for your attention. Any help would be really > appreciated > > Ismael Flores > floresi1@westat.com > w 301-251-4204 > 4916 Bristow Dr > Annandale VA 22003 Have you tried the local universities, especially Galdet University (sp, the school for the deaf in DC) and George Washington University. Both have a good number of ITS's publications on hand. If you go to GWU ask for the special archives, thats where most of the publications are kept. Also you can check at NASA-HQ in downtown DC, they have an extensive research library there. I know the public used too be allowed in there at certain times during the week, but I am not sure about that anymore, if you call them they will know. I remember seeing a good number of papers/dessertations/publications the last time I was at NASA-HQ, concerning scalar properties (waves/calculations/proof of existence/intensity/uses....ect). Tim o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | Timothy A. Chandler || M.S.Physics/B.S.Chmeistry | o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | NASA-Langley Research Center || George Mason University | | Department of Energy || Department of Physics | | FRT/Alpha - NASALaRC/DOE JRD/OPM || Department of Chemistry | | CHOCT FR Designation 82749156/MG09 || OPC-EFC | o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | Private Email Address: tchand@slip.net | o-----------------------------------------------------------------------o From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:32:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA04725 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04477 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11530; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:21:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:21:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199602052221.XAA11530@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.704 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Info on the Takashi engine... Cc: mob@mindspring.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 21:05 03.02.1996 -0500, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I found this on the Bearden Homepages.... >> >>What do you think ? Is it for real ?? >>Regards, Stefan. >> >> >> >>The Takahashi Engine >> >> >>See Figure 8 for the principle of the Takahashi engine. (footnote 73) Here a >>set of permanent magnets, each at an >>angle to the various radial lines of the device, comprises a slightly >>widening spiral stator that is "almost" circular but not >>quite. A circular rotor is mounted inside this spiral stator. An end gap >>exists in the stator as shown, so that the stator is >>not a complete closed ring. The direction of rotation for the rotor is >>clockwise as shown. For demonstration of the >>principle, the beginning air gap is 0.1 mm and the ending air gap is 5 mm. > >[snip...] > >Wayne Green, publisher of "73" magazine (a magazine for amateur radio >operators) describes riding around London on a scooter powered by a >Takahashi motor. (See the Feb. 1996 issue, page 76-77.) He clearly thinks >that it is not a hoax. Where do I get this magazine ? Is it on the WEB yet ? Can somebody scan it and email it to me please ? Does he have an email address ? Did he think, that it is overunity ? Or does it need more power for the magnetic switch, than it produces mechanically ? > >He also mentions that Takahashi has developed capacitors of 250 microfarads >with dimensions only 0.05 in. x 0.1 in. > >Regards, >Michael Please let me know. Regards, Stefan. > > > >R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. >Clinical and Corporate Psychologist >42 Lenox Pointe >Atlanta, GA 30324 >404-237-3883 > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:33:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA06035 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from jshaffer (jshaffer.pennet.net [204.183.192.134]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA05928 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jshaffer@localhost) by jshaffer (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00114 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:18:18 -0500 X-UIDL: 834952770.705 From: "Jim Shaffer Jr." Message-Id: <199602060118.UAA00114@jshaffer> Subject: fnrg: Bajak's time circuit To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:18:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: OK everybody who has been quoting *my* message about the time travel device instead of Malcheski's original: I'm going to let him post the details, if he will, because he seems to have more up-to-date information than I. But in essence the circuit consists of a battery, a piezo element, a capacitor, two switches, and two rheostats. If it *does* do anything, it would be nice to have confirmation from someone other than Bajak, for reasons which would be obvious to anyone who received Bajak's original information packet. Enough said. -- * From the disk of: | jshaffer@pennet.net | "there's a hell of Jim Shaffer, Jr. | /\v/\ // | a good universe 37 Brook Street | This signature // | next door; let's go" Montgomery, PA 17752 | under construction. \\// | (e.e. cummings) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:38:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA21841 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mauri.vol.it (root@[194.166.58.202]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21426 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from maurigal@localhost) by mauri.vol.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA04979; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:45:27 GMT Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:45:23 +0000 (MET) X-UIDL: 834952770.706 From: Maurizio Galaverni X-Sender: maurigal@mauri.vol.it To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory In-Reply-To: <9601028232.AA823288982@ccgate2.nectech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 rshannon@nectech.com wrote: > I suggest you look into the Hodowanec "gravity wave" detector design, > while this is an really poor detector, it does work. There are better > detectors however, but this is a good starting point. Could you tell me about these better detectors ? Are there diagrams of *working* scalar detectors ? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:41:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA04168 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip-1.slip.net (slip-1.slip.net [204.160.88.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA04067 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from chi-pm4-18.freeppp.com (chi-pm4-18.freeppp.com [204.162.179.212]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04216 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:57:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199602051657.IAA04216@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: tchand@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 11:53:44 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.707 From: tchand@slip.net (Tim Chandler) Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Jim Shaffer Jr. wrote: > > reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple > > plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > I'd also like some more information on that if possible... Thanks, Tim o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | Timothy A. Chandler || M.S.Physics/B.S.Chmeistry | o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | NASA-Langley Research Center || George Mason University | | Department of Energy || Department of Physics | | FRT/Alpha - NASALaRC/DOE JRD/OPM || Department of Chemistry | | CHOCT FR Designation 82749156/MG09 || OPC-EFC | o------------------------------------oo---------------------------------o | Private Email Address: tchand@slip.net | o-----------------------------------------------------------------------o From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:52:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA12585 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA12508 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id RAA26218; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:59:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:59:31 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.708 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: time travel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 00:05:28 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Matt Mahoney Subject: Re: fnrg: time travel At 06:37 PM 2/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >> reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple >> plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) Please, send me some information on this time travel device. Thank you. -Matt ------------------------------------------ E-Mail: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Location: Rochester, NY Unsolicited *commercial* email is subject to download/archival fee of $250 US per message. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. ------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:52:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA17202 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.uis.edu (eagle.uis.edu [192.102.230.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA16832 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by eagle.uis.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA220823880; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:31:20 -0600 X-UIDL: 834952770.709 From: Jim Logue Message-Id: <199602060231.AA220823880@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:31:20 -0800 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199602052258.XAA11739@ns.bbtt.com> from "Stefan Hartmann" at Feb 5, 96 11:58:46 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Does anybody know, if there is also an online search via WEB possible, > where I can have a look at all the whole text of the patent including > the pictures ?? > > Is there something like this available versus a fee ? > > Regards, Stefan. > -- At the Computers in Libraries convention I met a firm Micropatent which allows dumps of patent to a laser printer. They quoted 25 cents a page. European patents included. Database only goes back till 1978 which really hurts. A photo image of the patent is produced. I have never used their system. Micopatent voice 800-648-6787 250 Dodge Ave. voice 800-984-9800 East Haven, CT voice 203-466-5055 06512 USA fax 203-466-5180 http://www.micropatent.com info@micropatent.com search@micropatent.com Another interesting database for looking up names and addresses of manufactures from the WWW is Thomas Register. It's free to use but you do have to register for it, filling out your name and address. Thomas Register http://www.thomasregister.com:8000/cgi/register Jim Logue From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 04:53:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA14104 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA13976 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA26840; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:07:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:07:58 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.710 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Permanent Magnet motor patent...... is here +my 2 cents In-Reply-To: <199602052258.XAA11739@ns.bbtt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >This URL should take you directly there > >http://patents.cnidr.org:4242/cgi-bin/patbib_fetch?/pto7+PATBIB-95+5436518+F > >+1477 > >There is an abstract but no pictures. > > > > Does anybody know, if there is also an online search via WEB possible, > where I can have a look at all the whole text of the patent including > the pictures ?? > > Is there something like this available versus a fee ? For an inexpensive fee, http://www.micropat.com will send full patent text. Their search is expensive, but if you have the patent no., I think their charge was $2/page. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 07:12:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA02642 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com (dub-img-2.compuserve.com [198.4.9.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA02623 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA06789; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:05:59 -0500 Date: 06 Feb 96 10:04:11 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.711 From: Chris Malcheski <71232.360@compuserve.com> To: List Subject: fnrg: Bajak Time Device Message-ID: <960206150411_71232.360_GHL32-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In reply to Jim Shaffer, Jr.'s message: What I'm providing are *not* final plans to a working device. Mr. Bajak claims to have gotten full results with the plans he provided me. Steven Gibbs claims to have gotten results with modified plans. I have 7 other variations on the device, all of which others claim to have had some or total success with. My intent is to make these pieces of the puzzle available to whoever is interested, and among this group attempt to discover what missing factor is at play that people are as yet not aware of. Research will likely be required; I'm only providing a starting point. Not ideal, but it's a far cry from starting at scratch. Mr. Bajak has demonstrated the same symptoms that those hammered by the Philadelphia Experiment have shown. He himself states clearly that you should not activate the unit for more than 3-4 seconds at a time or mental damage can result. He did not know this when he built his own unit. Apparently some damage did result. So ... as is, the designs I'm providing will probably not work for most people. But who knows what will be required to bridge the gap? Given that some claim to have had success with these designs, then if they are telling the truth, the "missing link" cannot be very far off. It will require some thought and study but given the potential yield, for those interested it should be worth a little work. I just want to make it clear that I am *not* claiming this info will work for everybody in the form I'm providing it. However what I'm providing is likely very close to the final solution, if it is not totally bogus to begin with. Finally, I am unable to get Bill Beaty to reply to me about a method for transferring this file to him. Therefore I have to use UUE and break it up into however many emails are required, since I cannot send files via email form CompuServe to the Internet. As long as I'm doing this, I may as well forward everybody who has expressed an interest with the entire set of files. You will need something to decode UUE files. It will be a ZIP file put into UUE format. It's all forthcoming. There's a lot to type in. -- Chris From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 09:42:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA01308 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01163 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:34:24 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.712 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA20880; Tue, 6 Feb 96 12:29:45 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823638835; Tue, 06 Feb 96 12:28:59 EST Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 12:28:59 EST Message-Id: <9601068236.AA823638835@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Time Travel Device plans. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Finally, I am unable to get Bill Beaty to reply to me about a method >for transferring this file to him. Therefore I have to use UUE and >break it up into however many emails are required, since I cannot >send files via email form CompuServe to the Internet. As long as I'm >doing this, I may as well forward everybody who has expressed an >interest with the entire set of files. You will need something to >decode UUE files. It will be a ZIP file put into UUE format. > >It's all forthcoming. There's a lot to type in. > >-- Chris Unfortunately, this will not work for me. Incoming files are zapped by the server, and I cannot send or receive ZIP'd files and unzip them. It there a way I amy make arrangements to get this material another way? Snail Mail maybe? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 12:31:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA04982 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA04896 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:12:43 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.713 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA26751; Tue, 6 Feb 96 15:05:42 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823648162; Tue, 06 Feb 96 15:04:43 EST Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 15:04:43 EST Message-Id: <9601068236.AA823648162@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: A homopolar generator question. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have a series of questions on homopolar generators I hope maybe a few people here can help me with. I've seen diagrams of a variant of homopolar generators that pass magnetic flux in both directions through the rotating disk. In these drawings, the flux going through the disk in each direction passed through a section of the disk moving at different rotational velocities, due to differing distances from the shaft. The area of the disk through which flux was passed had different areas, presumably done so that the area covered was in proportion to the rotational velocity, as the larger area was near the shaft, and hence has a lower rotational velocity. Rather than pass the flux both ways through the disk at differing rotational velocities, what would happen if we were to arrange a series of magnets around the disk such that flux was passed alternately through the disk in different directions at a uniform distance from the shaft, such that the rotational speed was uniform? At first glance, we might think that we would have an induced eddy currents of alternate polarities in each area that cut flux. If this were so, we would have these eddy currents appear as stationary with respect to the magnets while the disk rotated. (magnets are stationary in this case) How would these areas of induced currents interact with neighboring areas of the opposite polarity? What effect if any might result from using a laminated disk to restrict the eddy currents from flowing through the thickness of the disk? What if the lamination used a layer of dielectric material between disks? (T.T. Brown fans?) I see no reason that the induced currents would not be equal and opposite that of the applied flux, so in effect we would have 100% back EMF, and the device would generate heat in the disk due to I^2 R losses, and act much like a magnetic break. But then again, this does not account for any interaction between areas of opposite eddy currents, if any. A magnetic break (those that I have encountered anyway) only pass flux one way though the disk, not both. Is it possible for the induced eddy currents to cancel, and not produce the magnetic breaking effect? I care not about any currents induced between the shaft and edge of the disk as is produced by homopolar generators. By some arrangement of magnets, it is possible to cancel the induced currents, and back EMF induced within the disk? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 17:24:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA04907 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.phoenix.net (mail.phoenix.net [199.3.232.20]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04792 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rumgod.phoenix.net (dial80.phoenix.net [199.3.234.115]) by mail.phoenix.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08216 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:19:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:19:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199602070119.TAA08216@mail.phoenix.net> X-Sender: rumgod@phoenix.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.714 From: rumgod@phoenix.net (A J Interests, Inc) Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I missed some of this thread but it does sound interesting to me, can anyone send me some of the information? thaks, Art >> >Anybody have anything on Art Bell's "madman Markham"? He was supposed to >have put the laser from a CD player on a Jacob's ladder and created a >device that made small objects like screws dissapear for a time. Anybody >try repeating this experiment? > >Tony Rusi -- Don't buy stars son they makin too many of 'em! > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 21:17:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA18823 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA18616 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.715 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38549; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:11:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:07:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Scalar Theory To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <9601058235.AA823537048@westatpo.westat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > I suggest you look into the Hodowanec "gravity wave" detector design, > while this is an really poor detector, it does work. There are better > detectors however, but this is a good starting point. I built this. It certainly measures something. I'm not sure whether it is Gravity Waves or whether the capacitor is building charge cutting through magnetic lines of force. I need something to reference to. What are the other detectors you mentioned? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 23:06:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA11718 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA11691 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id BAA25304 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:05:11 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA28795; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:05:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:05:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602070705.BAA28795@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.716 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >I missed some of this thread but it does sound interesting to me, can anyone >send me some of the information? >thaks, Art >>> >>Anybody have anything on Art Bell's "madman Markham"? He was supposed to >>have put the laser from a CD player on a Jacob's ladder and created a >>device that made small objects like screws dissapear for a time. Anybody >>try repeating this experiment? I don't know how that would have happened. The laser itself would have been long gone. They are EXTREMELY static-sensitive devices and quite easy to destroy with routine handling. The servo (tracking, focus) coils on the laser assembly are usually flat pancake wound coils. Maybe one of the coils did this effect? Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 6 23:36:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA17231 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from soar.com ([204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA17216 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:36:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602070736.XAA17216@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem002.soar.com (204.200.8.55) by soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.60) with SMTP id ; Tue, 06 Feb 1996 23:36:21 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.717 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:08:04 +0800 Subject: fnrg: Radium Paint Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know where I can get the old style Radium Paint. It was used to light up watch-dials and such. Thanks in advance. ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 08:21:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA05102 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA05001 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id LAA16958; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:06:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:06:50 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.718 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: EMPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How exactly do the Electromagnetic Pulses generated by atomic and nuclear weapons disrupt electronics? Is it a prolonged effect; for instance, can light bulbs work afterward? What is an emp composed of? The term seems hazy to me; I'm not sure if it's referring to a massive burst of electromagnetic waves or a disruption of the magnetosphere. I realize that this is probably not the best forum to ask the question, but it is the most informed one at my disposal. Thank you for your time and patience. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 10:47:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA11058 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from oroboros.demon.co.uk (oroboros.demon.co.uk [158.152.100.96]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10875 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:29:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 19:14:42 GMT X-UIDL: 834952770.719 From: CRSM@oroboros.demon.co.uk (Chris Morriss) Message-Id: <15874@oroboros.demon.co.uk> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Info on the Takashi engine... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This design (the one with the gradually increasing gap between the rotor and the surrounding staor) is NOT the Takahashi motor. His technical information release shows a much more conventional construction. The design that has been discussed here first appeared in the US magazine 'POPULAR SCIENCE' in June 1979, and was called a 'Magnetic Wankel'. It had supposedly been developed by a Japanese company called 'Kure Tekko'. The diagram in the mag (1979 don't forget) had a schematic identical to the one that has appeared here, the one that people are claiming to be the Takahashi motor. There are at least three different designs of such motors that I know of that utilise the same principle. I believe that Chris Tinsley (of Infinite Energy magazine) knows of one or two others. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 13:56:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA22269 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1b.gnn.com (mail-e1b.gnn.com [204.148.101.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA22219 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-20-189.gnn.com. (www-20-189.gnn.com [205.188.20.189]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA21670 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:52:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602072152.QAA21670@mail-e1b.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 16:51:33 X-UIDL: 834952770.720 From: Paul Lamb To: Freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The burst provides sufficient electromagnetic force to induce current in the conducters of printed circuits. Since they are designed to handle milli or micro voltages, it causes an overvoltage that physically damages the printed circuitry, permanently. Hope this helps. Paul Lamb --So far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. --Conrad H. Weisart, president, Union Carbide, 1964 >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 2001 >Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com > [204.122.16.4]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with > ESMTP id MAA06909; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:27:30 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com > (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA05102 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, > 7 Feb 1996 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) >Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu > [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with > SMTP id IAA05001 for ; Wed, 7 Feb > 1996 08:16:48 -0800 (PST) >Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5 >) id LAA16958; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:06:51 -0500 >X-UIDL: 823729105.002 >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:06:50 -0500 (EST) >From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" >X-Sender: choi@virtu >To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Subject: fnrg: EMPs >In-Reply-To: >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >How exactly do the Electromagnetic Pulses generated by > atomic and nuclear >weapons disrupt electronics? Is it a prolonged effect; for > instance, can >light bulbs work afterward? What is an emp composed of? > The term seems >hazy to me; I'm not sure if it's referring to a massive > burst of >electromagnetic waves or a disruption of the magnetosphere. >I realize that this is probably not the best forum to ask > the question, >but it is the most informed one at my disposal. Thank you > for your time >and patience. > > Sincerely. > Quentin Holte. > ( aka Charles Choi. ) > You are all the Buddha. > - Last words > of Buddha. > > If you see the Buddha, > > kill him. > > - Zen proverb. > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 15:52:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA15199 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA15135 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.721 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA27616; Wed, 7 Feb 96 18:46:45 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823747639; Wed, 07 Feb 96 13:52:04 EST Date: Wed, 07 Feb 96 13:52:04 EST Message-Id: <9601078237.AA823747639@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: scalar theory and detector designs. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I built this. It certainly measures something. I'm not sure whether >it is Gravity Waves or whether the capacitor is building charge >cutting through magnetic lines of force. I need something to >reference to. What are the other detectors you mentioned? The Hodowanec detector design should be well shielded, both electrostatically, and magnetically. The circuit still produces it's odd results in my experience. I have attempted to measure both electrostatic and magnetic fields, and determine if indeed these fields activity matched the signals from the Hodowanec circuit without success. I must conclude that the signals from the Hodowanec circuit (well shielded) are not due to conventional field activity. As to better detectors, I have had good success with Neon tube based detectors, and understand that KeelyNet has a construction project file on this type of design. While not familiar with the specifics of that design, it may well be a good step up from the Hodowanec design. (The circuit I used was simply a neon tube in series with a current limiting resistor and a variable voltage source. Any "signals" were recovered from the noise generated in the neon plasma by coupling any AC signals through a capacitor connected to the neon tube to limiting resistor connection. These were then amplified externally. This simple circuit must be shielded to electrostatic and magnetic fields, as well as to light falling onto the neon tube. Long period "waves" of higher noise amplitude were apparent, along with some other activity while the neon tube was biased just under it's critical turn on point, with a series current between 50 and 100 ua.) I also should mention that the Hodowanec detector circuit can stand for substantial improvements by using more stages of amplification, each with a lower gain and higher bandwidth. I am currently in the process of making a choice on releasing my first original scalar detector design. (now close to ten years old) This design is quite different than the Hodowanec or Neon tube based designs. While tempted to share it freely as was the case with the gradiometer design, there is a body of opinion that strongly urges me to file for a patent before any such release. I will choose either to give up my rights to the design, or to file for the patent, and then share the device on a "personal use" only basis, not unlike the Bedini device plans. I am also thinking of making specific materials needed available as a "kit" for this device as well, as there has been a great deal of interest in "good" detector designs, and some special material is needed to construct the device. In either case, the plans will be made available to interested persons. It is only a question of when. I'll do what I can to speed this process up. I think simply having a set of devices that demonstrate the emission and detection of scalar signals would open this field to much needed study. This should have been done many years ago, as the technology does indeed exist. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 16:28:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA21136 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com (ix4.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21077 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA15314; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:25:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:25:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080025.QAA15314@ix4.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.722 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: fnrg: Rex Research To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 2/7/96 To all, A couple of months ago there was some question if Rex Research was still around. Yesterday I received their Catalog Z (1997). It lists many topics that we on the frenrg list are currently interested in. Their address is: Rex Research PO Box 19250 Jean, NV 89019 This is the second posting of this message on this list today. I am having problems with NetCom server and am not sure the first wasn't bounced. If you received the first please ignore this one. Sincerely, RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 19:16:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA21755 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21642 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id TAA25088; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:15:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:15:25 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.723 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:01:09 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Matt Mahoney Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel At 05:07 PM 2/6/96 +1100, you wrote: > > > > >> reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely simple >> plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) Can you please send me some more information on this time travel device ? Thank you. -Matt -------------------------------------------- E-Mail: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Location: Rochester, NY Unsolicited *commercial* email is subject to download/archival fee of $250 US per message. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. --------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 19:24:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA22663 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA22579 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id TAA25346; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:19:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.724 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Joe Champion is online Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 23:33:01 -800 From: Joe Champion To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Precious metals are now being nuclearly synthesized from base metals Hi Bill, You probably not familar with mee but if you have a chance, take a look at: http://www.netzone.com/~discpub Yes, we are not only producing precious metals at alarming rates, but we are selling them. Would be happy to put a link to you, if its OK. Joe Champion From peterd@iea.com Wed Feb 7 21:34:22 1996 Received: from comtch.iea.com (comtch.iea.com [198.17.249.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA17504 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by comtch.iea.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id FAA12496; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 05:33:25 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.726 From: Peter Deacon X-Sender: peterd@comtch To: William Beaty Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Hi Bill! Could you help thee? I've been busy lately...can't seem to muster enough time to go through the fnrg stuff in my mailbox...I want to unsubscribe to the freng list...tried a few times to send a cancel message to the majorodomo at eskimo...but it comes back with a message saying I am not part of the list...?? I subscribed pretty early on after the list was created...Still interested in the topic & will find some time to look through the messages via the web site... Thanks for your time & Have fun! Peter (who wrote that file search cgi-script that I think ghawk has running on his site:) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 7 23:37:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA08847 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08817 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:36:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602080736.XAA08817@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 00:01:19 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.727 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Mug of Bill Beaty Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A Here's a picture of the one who began this list, Bill Beaty: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/billb.htm ...as Bill points out the subtle nuances of electron behavior in a Van de Graaf machine. ---------------- Bill, At that science meeting, you drew on a whiteboard some of the more intricate details about Van de Graaf machines, including the unusual "Faraday Bucket", where a charged ball lowered into a metal bucket is found to lose all of it's charge when it makes contact at the bottom, inside the bucket. The charge all moves to the outside skin of the metal bucket, and this plays a role in the action at the top of a Van de Graaf generator. With that in mind, if some flying saucers operate on high voltage as at least one of their essential ingredients, notwithstanding the fact that some people have reported little beings in plastic suits, would the "Faraday Bucket" principle not mean that the occupants of a craft generating millions of volts would be in a *null* zone inside the craft, and have little to worry about as far as those extreme voltages go? Gary Hawkins ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 00:18:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA15235 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA15219 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from t41.dialup.peg.apc.org (t41.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.169]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.10 ) with SMTP id TAA16971 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:17:54 +1000 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:17:54 +1000 Message-Id: <199602080917.TAA16971@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.728 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Mug of Bill Beaty Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Here's a picture of the one who began this list, Bill Beaty: > >http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/billb.htm > >...as Bill points out the subtle nuances of electron behavior in >a Van de Graaf machine. Nice picture Bill....my female staff want to know what sort of haircream you use and can we join your cult? Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL CONCEPTS From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 01:28:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA24135 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA24100 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:27:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602080927.BAA24100@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 01:53:50 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.729 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Picture of Bill Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In the picture, Bill is pointing at someone out of the picture. They are getting a cold stream of electrons off of the end of his index finger. So *why* COLD? Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 08:02:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA21256 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1b.gnn.com (mail-e1b.gnn.com [204.148.101.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA21098 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-20-189.gnn.com. (www-20-189.gnn.com [205.188.20.189]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15831 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602072146.QAA15831@mail-e1b.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 16:44:43 X-UIDL: 834952770.730 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Radium Paint Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill Adams wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get old style radium paint? Not sure on this one, but it might require licensing for handling radioactives. Since the major use would be military, I would suggest government contractors who provide instrumentation, although most nowadays is illuminated by tritium. Good luck, Paul Lamb If the human mind were so simple that we could understand it, we ourselves would be simple that we couldn't. --Lyall Watson >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 1585 >Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com > [204.122.16.4]) by mail-e1a.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with > ESMTP id DAA03958; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 03:03:21 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com > (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA17231 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, > 6 Feb 1996 23:36:29 -0800 (PST) >Received: from soar.com ([204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8 >.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA17216 for > ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:36:25 -0800 (P >ST) >X-UIDL: 823729105.000 >Message-Id: <199602070736.XAA17216@mail.eskimo.com> >Received: from modem002.soar.com (204.200.8.55) by soar.com > (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.60) with SMTP id ; > Tue, 06 Feb 1996 23:36:21 -0800 >Comments: Authenticated sender is >From: "William V. Adams" >To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:08:04 +0800 >Subject: fnrg: Radium Paint >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) >Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > >Does anyone know where I can get the old style Radium Paint. >It was used to light up watch-dials and such. >Thanks in advance. >========================================================= > ~<:-?) >feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux >William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com >31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 >Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. >========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 08:02:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA09860 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com (ix11.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.11]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09780 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA15808; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:20:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:20:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199602071820.KAA15808@ix11.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.731 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: fnrg: Rex Resaerch To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 2/7/96 A couple of months ago there was question as to whether Rex Research still existed. Yesterday, I received their new CATALOG Z (1997). It has multiple listings that are near and dear to the hearts of these list members. Their address is: Rex Research PO Box 19250 Jean, NV 89019 RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 08:02:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA12685 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wtamu.wtamu.edu (WTAMU.WTAMU.EDU [165.95.31.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA12553 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from wtamu-pclab.wtamu.edu by wtamu.wtamu.edu (AA14790); Thu, 8 Feb 96 09:13:55 CST Received: from WTAMU-PCLAB/SpoolDir by wtamu-pclab.wtamu.edu (Mercury 1.21); 8 Feb 96 09:48:12 CST6CDT Received: from SpoolDir by WTAMU-PCLAB (Mercury 1.21); 8 Feb 96 09:48:11 CST6CDT X-UIDL: 834952770.732 From: "Ray Vanlandingham" Organization: West Texas A&M University PC-Lab To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:47:52 CST6CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <8C362E578F@wtamu-pclab.wtamu.edu> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Can you please send me some more information on this time travel > device ? Thank you. Usually it's considered poite to send your 'me too' messages directly to the poster, instead of forcing every person on the list to read them. We don't need to know everyone who gets the info, and it's a waste of bandwith. Thanks. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 13:56:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA20260 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA20192 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.733 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA21757; Thu, 8 Feb 96 16:34:23 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823826314; Thu, 08 Feb 96 16:34:33 EST Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 16:34:33 EST Message-Id: <9601088238.AA823826314@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: Neotech@world.std.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: An interesting article recently appeared on several news groups and list servers. In the message thread "Microwaved Food Making You Sick", found on sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternitive, alt.conspiracy, and other list servers, David Feustel posts an extract from NEXUS Magazine, volume 2, #25 (April-May '95) that details several important issues: A study conducted and published by the Minnesota Extension Service of the University of Minnesota concludes that warming by microwave oven does cause molecular alterations of milk that are detrimental to the health of infants who then consume the milk. "...there may be loss of some vitamins. In expressed breast milk, some protective properties may be destroyed." In 1991, a lawsuit was filed on behalf of Norma Levitt, a surgical patient who received a blood transfusion that had been warmed by the application of microwave heating. There was apparently some alteration of the blood as a result, and the patient died. A researcher in Switzerland, Hans Hertel, was served with a gag order after expressing his conclusions that ingesting microwaved food does indeed alter blood chemistry as compared to the same foods prepared in other ways. This conclusion was based on the results of a controlled study testing blood chemistry in humans directly. This testing shows a series of blood chemistry alterations that appear to be caused by the ingestion of food prepared my microwave heating. No such testing has been performed by the FDA as yet. The gag order on Mr. Hertel was placed after a Swiss trade organization, FEA took action against Mr. Hertel. The Swiss do not have first amendment rights as we do here in the U.S, and there are laws that prevent "delinquents" from disparaging products in such a way as to damage commerce. This evidence, and other reports referred to in the original posts struck a chord with me, as for some time I have had reasons for concern of the safety of microwaved foods, but had been unaware of any evidence for actual health effects. Over the course of several years of research I came to an understanding of the interactions of electromagnetic fields and specific materials, especially the Inert gases. During this research, an odd effect presented itself, where apparently permanent, or long lasting alterations of the electrical properties of the gases could be induced. While not yet understood, this effect appears related to what is known as Scalar Electromagnetics. In this effect, the ability of the gas to ionize in response to an applied electromagnetic field seems to have been effected in such a way that the gas will ionize at measurably lower energies that were needed before this effect was induced. This effect is quite dependent on the frequency of the applied fields. Without going into the physics involved, the process of heating materials in a microwave and the interactions between the inert gases has a number of parallels. It may be possible that water molecules heated in microwave ovens also undergoes a similar process, and may then react to lower levels of electromagnetic fields than it had done before the microwave induced heating. As the microwave energy in a oven is modulated with the 60 hz (U.S.) frequency of the AC power distribution system, it may be possible that consuming foods prepared by microwave heating could effect the biological response to environmental electromagnetic fields This theory might be directly testable by nuclear magnetic resonance, but pure water will not generate a good resonance response. For this reason, nuclear magnetic resonance instruments often add a small amount of an impurity to water to produce a sharp resonance response, or use a proton rich fluid, such a kerosene. The idea of warming kerosene in a microwave is less than appealing however. The possibility of interactions with any impurities might effect the ability to maintain a good control group with water based proton precession detectors. The article in NEXUS refers to "athermal" effects of microwave based heating. These "athermal" effects are those produced by causes other than the heat alone. The article states that these "athermal effects are not currently measurable". It might be possible to test for an alteration in the nuclear magnetic resonance response of some materials produced by repeated exposure to microwave energy. Possibly, this technique could be used to directly measure these "athermal" effects, and provide support for the case against microwave heated foods. I suggest that a series of sample foods have their nuclear magnetic resonance response curves plotted, and then these foods heated as would normally be the case in food preparation. The magnetic resonance response curve should then be measured again, and compared to the original response curve. If the resonance response of the sample shows a higher "Q", or sharpness of resonance response, or any clear change, we have more cause for concern, and support for the results that already suggest that we may have a problem with microwave cooking. It might be necessary to construct a free proton precession resonance detector to operate at the frequencies involved in microwave food preparation. This should not present any major difficulties however. Many react to the idea that microwave cooking simply heats the food as does all forms of cooking. If this were the case, why does the texture of microwave prepared food suffer as compared to other forms of cooking? Clearly there is a difference, as is supported by the studies referred to in the original article. Lets make the tests and check the studies again before we dismiss the possibilities. In the mean time, I'll stick to a hot air pop corn popper, or an old fashioned pan and oil. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 17:57:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA10625 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.best.com (news1.best.com [204.156.128.20]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA10573 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by news1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA14526 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:56:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:56:51 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.734 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: WebFile: Standardized Format Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: WebFile: The HTML file that contains all of the web sites of interest to you that you automatically update and share with others. Advantages: Bold Headings, Active Links, and a short Summary Paragraph. For Who? For You! Cost? Free! You should contribute files like the ones below. How? Put your websites of interest in the following standardized format by following these instructions EXACTLY, and send the data to me. I will put all I get into one big organized file, run my little FORTRAN code that will print out the HTML file from this input, and I will post both the text and the HTML files ASAP. I'll even post the code (short) if you also want that. Why? Because I want a real good and organized web site list and this works the best for me! FORMAT: Do these lines for each web site entry: Line 1: Web site URL link (without "http://") Line 2: A unique Abbreviation for this site. No spaces, use underscores instead. Used for label anchors. Line 3: The Title of that web site. Up to one line long (60 chars or so) with spaces. I prefer to copy the exact web site title. Line 4: Any text that you make up to summarize that site. I prefer to copy the text right off of that site. Fix up the text and put a carrage return at end of each line. Line 4+i: More text, where i=0 to about 4 or 5 max, to save file space. Line 4+i+1: A blank line must be the last line. Some Examples using recent info from this list: www.padrak.com/ine/ INE The Institute for New Energy The new non-profit technical society, containing several important overview papers, meeting announcements, and references that relate to the research and development of advanced energy conversion devices, "over-unity" and "free energy" machines, and "anti-gravity" devices. server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html HAARP The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program About the HAARP Program. A scientific research facility devoted to the study of the Earth's ionosphere is being built under the HAARP program at a location in Gakona, AK. The program is jointly managed by the Office of Naval Research and the Air Force Phillips Laboratory. www.sonic.net/sentinel/ Free_America Free America Harry V. Martin & the Sentinel's Free America site. An on-line journal dedicated to the preservation of American Freedom and Independence. FreeAmerica c 1995. www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr/ NUFORC The National UFO Reporting Center The National UFO Reporting Center, located in Seattle, WA, was founded in 1974 by Robert J. Gribble. The center's primary function over the past two decades has been to receive, record, and to the greatest degree possible corroborate and document reports from individuals who have been witness to unusual, possibly UFO related events. encke.jpl.nasa.gov Hale-Bopp_1 Hale-Bopp Information for Non-astronomers Comet Observation Home. Lots of images...over 200 images of 28 different comets...a selection of recent images is posted below...check the image page for more images. www.arcorp.com/Hale-Bopp.html Hale-Bopp_2 Comet Hale-Bopp (C/1995 O1) News and Views Our current best PRELIMINARY estimate for the effective diameter of Hale-Bopp's nucleus is: 40 kilometers (= 25 miles). If the latter value is correct, then the nucleus of Hale-Bopp is approximately four times larger than that of comet Halley. However, we must emphasize that measuring Hale-Bopp's size is extremely difficult, even with HST's superb spatial resolution. www.netcom.com/bin/webnews WebNews The Netcom Web Newsreader NetCruiser is a client/server interface to the NETCOM network and, in turn, the global Internet. NetCruiser is developed and distributed by NETCOM. The NetCruiser client runs on your computer using Microsoft Windows 3.1 and MS DOS 5.0 or higher. The NetCruiser servers run on NETCOM's computers and provide authorization and authentication for your connection as well as Email and NetNews services. An example of the HTML output from my FORTRAN code for one entry: INE: Institute for New Energy
www.padrak.com/ine/
The new non-profit technical society, containing several important overview papers, meeting announcements, and references that relate to the research and development of advanced energy conversion devices, "over-unity" and "free energy" machines, and "anti-gravity" devices.

And, I will stack all the entries I get with the appropriate headers so the whole file looks nice. Thanks! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 8 23:54:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA14569 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e1b.gnn.com (mail-e1b.gnn.com [204.148.101.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA14555 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-22-232.gnn.com. (www-22-232.gnn.com [205.188.22.232]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA15261 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:52:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602090752.CAA15261@mail-e1b.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 02:51:50 X-UIDL: 834952770.736 From: Paul Lamb To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 08Feb96 you mentioned that microwaves may influence the interaction of inert gases during food preparation. My understanding has always been that inert gases are considered inert due to their refusal to chemically combine with other elements (sorry, I got stuck with the classical physics training). To this end, I cannot help but wonder how any interaction would be possible by the application of an electromagnetic field such as is found in a magnetron? And yes, many vitamins are affected, such as vitamin C, which is destroyed by the heat of cooking. These things are not very well known to me, so please forgive my ignorance if I am missing something basic. I do understand that not all inert gases are inert, as evidenced by the a demonstrated ability to form some chemical compounds of krypton in the 1960's. If you have any information regarding this subject, in particular, how electromagnetic fields would alter behavioral characteristics of the noble gases, I would be obliged if you could refer me to the proper source. In advance, my thanks, Paul Lamb ---A bit beyond perception's reach, I sometimes think I see that life is two locked boxes, each containing the other's key. ---Peit Hein >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 7729 >Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com > [204.122.16.4]) by mail-e1b.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with > ESMTP id RAA31758; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:31:04 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com > (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA20260 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, > 8 Feb 1996 13:39:21 -0800 (PST) >Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com > [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP > id NAA20192 for ; Thu, 8 Feb > 1996 13:39:01 -0800 (PST) >X-UIDL: 823850653.000 >From: rshannon@nectech.com >Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP > (5.65/29-nectech) > id AA21757; Thu, 8 Feb 96 16:34:23 -0500 >Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 > PreRelease 4) > id AA823826314; Thu, 08 Feb 96 16:34:33 EST >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 16:34:33 EST >Message-Id: <9601088238.AA823826314@ccgate2.nectech.com> >To: Neotech@world.std.com, freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com >Subject: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. >Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > An interesting article recently appeared on several > news groups and > list servers. > > In the message thread "Microwaved Food Making You > Sick", found on > sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternitive, > alt.conspiracy, and other > list servers, David Feustel posts an extract from NEXUS > Magazine, > volume 2, #25 (April-May '95) that details several > important issues: > > A study conducted and published by the Minnesota > Extension Service of > the University of Minnesota concludes that warming by > microwave oven > does cause molecular alterations of milk that are > detrimental to the > health of infants who then consume the milk. > > "...there may be loss of some vitamins. In expressed > breast milk, some > protective properties may be destroyed." > > In 1991, a lawsuit was filed on behalf of Norma Levitt, > a surgical > patient who received a blood transfusion that had been > warmed by the > application of microwave heating. There was apparently > some > alteration of the blood as a result, and the patient die >d. > > A researcher in Switzerland, Hans Hertel, was served wit >h a gag order > after expressing his conclusions that ingesting > microwaved food does > indeed alter blood chemistry as compared to the same foo >ds prepared in > other ways. This conclusion was based on the results > of a controlled > study testing blood chemistry in humans directly. > > This testing shows a series of blood chemistry > alterations that appear > to be caused by the ingestion of food prepared my > microwave heating. > > No such testing has been performed by the FDA as yet. > > The gag order on Mr. Hertel was placed after a Swiss > trade > organization, FEA took action against Mr. Hertel. The > Swiss do not > have first amendment rights as we do here in the U.S, > and there are > laws that prevent "delinquents" from disparaging > products in such a > way as to damage commerce. > > This evidence, and other reports referred to in the > original posts > struck a chord with me, as for some time I have had > reasons for > concern of the safety of microwaved foods, but had been > unaware of any > evidence for actual health effects. > > Over the course of several years of research I came to > an > understanding of the interactions of electromagnetic > fields and > specific materials, especially the Inert gases. > > During this research, an odd effect presented itself, > where apparently > permanent, or long lasting alterations of the > electrical properties of > the gases could be induced. While not yet understood, > this effect > appears related to what is known as Scalar > Electromagnetics. > > In this effect, the ability of the gas to ionize in > response to an > applied electromagnetic field seems to have been > effected in such a > way that the gas will ionize at measurably lower > energies that were > needed before this effect was induced. This effect is > quite dependent > on the frequency of the applied fields. > > Without going into the physics involved, the process of > heating > materials in a microwave and the interactions between > the inert gases > has a number of parallels. It may be possible that > water molecules > heated in microwave ovens also undergoes a similar > process, and may > then react to lower levels of electromagnetic fields > than it had done > before the microwave induced heating. > > As the microwave energy in a oven is modulated with the >60 hz (U.S.) > frequency of the AC power distribution system, it may > be possible that > consuming foods prepared by microwave heating could > effect the > biological response to environmental electromagnetic > fields > > This theory might be directly testable by nuclear > magnetic resonance, > but pure water will not generate a good resonance > response. For this > reason, nuclear magnetic resonance instruments often > add a small > amount of an impurity to water to produce a sharp > resonance response, > or use a proton rich fluid, such a kerosene. > > The idea of warming kerosene in a microwave is less > than appealing > however. The possibility of interactions with any > impurities might > effect the ability to maintain a good control group > with water based > proton precession detectors. > > The article in NEXUS refers to "athermal" effects of > microwave based > heating. These "athermal" effects are those produced > by causes other > than the heat alone. The article states that these > "athermal effects > are not currently measurable". > > It might be possible to test for an alteration in the > nuclear magnetic > resonance response of some materials produced by > repeated exposure to > microwave energy. Possibly, this technique could be > used to directly > measure these "athermal" effects, and provide support > for the case > against microwave heated foods. > > I suggest that a series of sample foods have their > nuclear magnetic > resonance response curves plotted, and then these foods > heated as > would normally be the case in food preparation. The > magnetic > resonance response curve should then be measured again, > and compared > to the original response curve. > > If the resonance response of the sample shows a higher > "Q", or > sharpness of resonance response, or any clear change, > we have more > cause for concern, and support for the results that alre >ady suggest > that we may have a problem with microwave cooking. > > It might be necessary to construct a free proton > precession resonance > detector to operate at the frequencies involved in > microwave food > preparation. This should not present any major > difficulties however. > > Many react to the idea that microwave cooking simply > heats the food as > does all forms of cooking. If this were the case, why > does the > texture of microwave prepared food suffer as compared > to other forms > of cooking? Clearly there is a difference, as is > supported by the > studies referred to in the original article. > > Lets make the tests and check the studies again before > we dismiss the > possibilities. > > In the mean time, I'll stick to a hot air pop corn > popper, or an old > fashioned pan and oil. > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 00:51:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA22357 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA22343 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id DAA09381; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 03:41:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 03:41:55 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.737 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: <199602090752.CAA15261@mail-e1b.gnn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Paul Lamb wrote: > On 08Feb96 you mentioned that microwaves may influence the > interaction of inert gases during food preparation. My > understanding has always been that inert gases are considered > inert due to their refusal to chemically combine with other > elements (sorry, I got stuck with the classical physics > training). To this end, I cannot help but wonder how any > interaction would be possible by the application of an > electromagnetic field such as is found in a magnetron? And yes, > many vitamins are affected, such as vitamin C, which is > destroyed by the heat of cooking. These things are not very > well known to me, so please forgive my ignorance if I am > missing something basic. I do understand that not all inert > gases are inert, as evidenced by the a demonstrated ability to > form some chemical compounds of krypton in the 1960's. If you > have any information regarding this subject, in particular, how > electromagnetic fields would alter behavioral characteristics > of the noble gases, I would be obliged if you could refer me to > the proper source. In advance, my thanks, > Paul Lamb Chemical compounds can form with the noble gases ( the reason why it is not fashionable to call them 'inert gases' anymore ); XeF6 was the first discovered. Microwave ionization probably can induce SOME sort of electrochemical reaction. Heat and ionization denatures proteins and complex molecules, of course; it is possible that microwave emissions may denature complex molecules to form toxic compounds, on a rare or regular basis, in small or large quantities. What I know so far points to nonexistent quantities at a nonexistent basis, but I have done no research whatsoever. May be quite true. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 00:52:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA22495 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA22473 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p1.aa.net (s1c1p1.aa.net [204.157.220.173]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA31549 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:51:22 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602090851.AAA31549@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 00:50:58 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.738 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The call for sophisticated research related to the article below (only partially quoted) would be very useful to lay most of the bugaboo to rest. I think most of the food issues of using microwaves to heat food it bunk, BUT, there may very well be certain classes of biochemistry which are deleteriously affected, such as milk and eggs. Far worse BY FAR than the loss of some portion of nutritional value in microwaved food is the use of oils and fats in conventional cooking. The ingestion of those fats is really awful in the long term. Only the under 40 crowd can blithely ignore it. I do believe that the blind application of microwaves to living cellular structures for heating purposes is PRETTY STUPID. The idiots in biology (who basicly see the world chemically and mechanically and are highly resistant to the understanding of electrical/electronic phenomenon in all matter at all times affecting its moment to moment characteristics) do not comprehend nor deal with dna as a the CRYSTAL which it essentially is, or rather, family of crystalline structures, considering rna, etc. This crystalline structure OBVIOUSLY has resonance attributes and these are absolutely going to be affected by EM AND/OR ELECTRICAL STIMULATION. Research which is designed to feret out comprehensively the reactions to electrical, rf, microwave, and light at the cellular and molecular levels would be ASTOUNDINGLY VALUABLE. And such research would most likely result in banning the commercial use of classes of energies on living cells such as microwaves. At 04:34 PM 2/8/96 EST, you wrote: > An interesting article recently appeared on several news groups and > list servers. > > In the message thread "Microwaved Food Making You Sick", found on > sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternitive, alt.conspiracy, and other > list servers, David Feustel posts an extract from NEXUS Magazine, > volume 2, #25 (April-May '95) that details several important issues: > > This theory might be directly testable by nuclear magnetic resonance, > but pure water will not generate a good resonance response. For this > reason, nuclear magnetic resonance instruments often add a small > amount of an impurity to water to produce a sharp resonance response, > or use a proton rich fluid, such a kerosene. > > The idea of warming kerosene in a microwave is less than appealing > however. The possibility of interactions with any impurities might > effect the ability to maintain a good control group with water based > proton precession detectors. > > The article in NEXUS refers to "athermal" effects of microwave based > heating. These "athermal" effects are those produced by causes other > than the heat alone. The article states that these "athermal effects > are not currently measurable". > > It might be possible to test for an alteration in the nuclear magnetic > resonance response of some materials produced by repeated exposure to > microwave energy. Possibly, this technique could be used to directly > measure these "athermal" effects, and provide support for the case > against microwave heated foods. > > I suggest that a series of sample foods have their nuclear magnetic > resonance response curves plotted, and then these foods heated as > would normally be the case in food preparation. The magnetic > resonance response curve should then be measured again, and compared > to the original response curve. > > If the resonance response of the sample shows a higher "Q", or > sharpness of resonance response, or any clear change, we have more > cause for concern, and support for the results that already suggest > that we may have a problem with microwave cooking. > > It might be necessary to construct a free proton precession resonance > detector to operate at the frequencies involved in microwave food snip > > Many react to the idea that microwave cooking simply heats the food as > does all forms of cooking. If this were the case, why does the > texture of microwave prepared food suffer as compared to other forms > of cooking? Clearly there is a difference, as is supported by the > studies referred to in the original article. > > Lets make the tests and check the studies again before we dismiss the > possibilities. > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 00:52:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA22508 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA22493 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p1.aa.net (s1c1p1.aa.net [204.157.220.173]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA31556 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:51:29 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602090851.AAA31556@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 00:51:04 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.739 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: WebFile: Standardized Format Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: hells bells, the way to create the below is to use a web form. maybe gary and i will create one, if we thought it would be useful. our server can email the responses to you automatically, which you can then sort into a mailbox file and run your parser to crunch up a revised list. Then email it as a file attachement to eskimo on a regular basis (or get ftp privilege with Bill) which would be called up through the free energy home page. i'd do it if Beatty signs on for display, you sign on for commitment to follow through for at least six months, and if some people with webpages on this here list chime up and say they would use the form. At 05:56 PM 2/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >WebFile: The HTML file that contains all of the web sites of interest to > you that you automatically update and share with others. > >Advantages: Bold Headings, Active Links, and a short Summary Paragraph. > >For Who? For You! > >Cost? Free! You should contribute files like the ones below. > >How? Put your websites of interest in the following standardized > format by following these instructions EXACTLY, > and send the data to me. > > I will put all I get into one big organized file, > run my little FORTRAN code that will print out the HTML file > from this input, and I will post both the text and the HTML > files ASAP. > I'll even post the code (short) if you also want that. > >Why? Because I want a real good and organized web site list and > this works the best for me! > > >FORMAT: Do these lines for each web site entry: > >Line 1: Web site URL link (without "http://") >Line 2: A unique Abbreviation for this site. > No spaces, use underscores instead. Used for label anchors. >Line 3: The Title of that web site. > Up to one line long (60 chars or so) with spaces. > I prefer to copy the exact web site title. >Line 4: Any text that you make up to summarize that site. > I prefer to copy the text right off of that site. > Fix up the text and put a carrage return at end of each line. >Line 4+i: More text, where i=0 to about 4 or 5 max, to save file space. >Line 4+i+1: A blank line must be the last line. > > >Some Examples using recent info from this list: > >www.padrak.com/ine/ >INE >The Institute for New Energy >The new non-profit technical society, containing several important overview >papers, meeting announcements, and references that relate to the research and >development of advanced energy conversion devices, "over-unity" and "free >energy" machines, and "anti-gravity" devices. > >server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html HAARP >The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program About the HAARP Program. >A scientific research facility devoted to the study of the Earth's ionosphere >is being built under the HAARP program at a location in Gakona, AK. The >program is jointly managed by the Office of Naval Research and the Air Force >Phillips Laboratory. > >www.sonic.net/sentinel/ >Free_America >Free America >Harry V. Martin & the Sentinel's Free America site. An on-line journal >dedicated to the preservation of American Freedom and Independence. >FreeAmerica c 1995. > >www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr/ >NUFORC >The National UFO Reporting Center >The National UFO Reporting Center, located in Seattle, WA, was founded in 1974 >by Robert J. Gribble. The center's primary function over the past two decades >has been to receive, record, and to the greatest degree possible corroborate >and document reports from individuals who have been witness to unusual, >possibly UFO related events. > >encke.jpl.nasa.gov >Hale-Bopp_1 >Hale-Bopp Information for Non-astronomers Comet Observation Home. Lots of >images...over 200 images of 28 different comets...a selection of recent images >is posted below...check the image page for more images. > >www.arcorp.com/Hale-Bopp.html >Hale-Bopp_2 >Comet Hale-Bopp (C/1995 O1) News and Views Our current best PRELIMINARY >estimate for the effective diameter of Hale-Bopp's nucleus is: 40 kilometers >(= 25 miles). If the latter value is correct, then the nucleus of Hale-Bopp is >approximately four times larger than that of comet Halley. However, we must >emphasize that measuring Hale-Bopp's size is extremely difficult, even with >HST's superb spatial resolution. > >www.netcom.com/bin/webnews >WebNews >The Netcom Web Newsreader >NetCruiser is a client/server interface to the NETCOM network and, in turn, >the global Internet. NetCruiser is developed and distributed by NETCOM. The >NetCruiser client runs on your computer using Microsoft Windows 3.1 and MS DOS >5.0 or higher. The NetCruiser servers run on NETCOM's computers and provide >authorization and authentication for your connection as well as Email and >NetNews services. > > >An example of the HTML output from my FORTRAN code for one entry: > > >INE: Institute for New Energy
> >www.padrak.com/ine/
The new >non-profit technical society, containing several important overview papers, >meeting announcements, and references that relate to the research and >development of advanced energy conversion devices, "over-unity" and "free >energy" machines, and "anti-gravity" devices.

> > >And, I will stack all the entries I get with the appropriate headers so the >whole file looks nice. > >Thanks! > > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 02:32:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA02083 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA02071 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id FAA03623; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:22:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.740 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: <199602090851.AAA31549@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hmm..."idiots in biology"? Darn; maybe I should stop majoring in biology because of that. That broad generalization may mean something to me! > I do believe that the blind application of microwaves to living cellular > structures for heating purposes is PRETTY STUPID. The idiots in biology > (who basicly see the world chemically and mechanically and are highly > resistant to the understanding of electrical/electronic phenomenon in all > matter at all times affecting its moment to moment characteristics) do not > comprehend nor deal with dna as a the CRYSTAL which it essentially is, or > rather, family of crystalline structures, considering rna, etc. This > crystalline structure OBVIOUSLY has resonance attributes and these are > absolutely going to be affected by EM AND/OR ELECTRICAL STIMULATION. No, general chemistry stopped being a prerequisite for biology quite recently, apparently. Never mind that the fields of biochemistry or biophysics probably deal quite intimately with organic molecules to begin with, spending more time on the molecules than most others; never mind that molecular genetics is intimately intertwined with the effects that mutagens have on organisms on a long term basis... Electrophoresis could not POSSIBLY have anything to do with genetic material, ESPECIALLY when one is performing genetic analysis... That out of the way... Microwaves are everywhere, particularly in cellular phone towers. Needless to say, something spewing out energy on a regular basis for decades is something worth investigating. Last official report was that there was no harmful side effects. Bull. Anyone have anything constructive to say, rather than rhetoric, conjecture, and idle speculation? Anyone have any solid SCIENTIFIC data? Hard to procure on human subjects ( long term studies being hard to quantify, although one can only draw lines of correlation instead of causality, seeing that nobody bothered to check over the decades; gee, no foresight on anybody's part; didn't we all see cellular phones three decades ago? ), anything on other experimental data? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 12:58:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA02986 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eunet.EU.net (eunet.EU.net [192.16.202.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA02396 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dux.ru (door.dux.ru [193.125.210.3]) by eunet.EU.net (8.7.2/8.6.10) with ESMTP id VAA10774 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:12:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from duxjr.dux.ru (duxjr-sl.dux.ru [193.125.210.2]) by dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA06502 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:11:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: from frolov.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by duxjr.dux.ru (8.7.2/8.6.6) with UUCP id XAA01620 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:07:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: by frolov.spb.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 06Jun95) id AA27008; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:21:44 +0300 (MSK) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person X-UIDL: 834952770.741 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 22:21:40 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: fnrg: Re: What propels photons? Lines: 82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ericf@central.co.nz (Eric Flesch) WROTE Re: What propels photons? Message-ID: <4f5l37$ed5@status.gen.nz> /////Stephan.Verbeeck@ping1.ping.be (Stephan Verbeeck) wrote: ////>>>Chris Hare (chare@indiana.edu) wrote: ////>>>: if there is a reason why photons can travel at the speed of light over ////>>>: infinite distances without ever loosing velocity? ////My view is that the photon's "rest state" is at time-flow=0, which is ////at C. Accordingly it would not be beholden to the inertia rules of ////mass particles, but rather an inertia of time. The cause-effect is ////reversed. SINCE the photon has a time-inertia of zero time, THEREFORE ////it must move at C in order to coexist in our space-time. //// Eric W. Flesch -- ericf@central.co.nz -- We have to develop here more. There are formulation by Nikolay A. Kozyrev, Russian astronomer, author of conception of active property for time, and it is: C V = ------- 137 where V is "velocity or rate of time", C is lightspeed and 1/137 is well-known "constant of Zommerfeld" that is connected with spin-to-spin interaction ( NOTE: m/s and m/s connected through this constant that have physical sense and this sense determine the difference between motion in space and motion in time. Spin-to-spin interaction is key for time-machine technology, I think) So, rate of time and speed of photon is connected values. Next: There are Heisenbrg's principle for uncertainty and one of many versions for it I use is: or "position in space" or "position in time". * When the point is defined in space it is not defined in time. * Wnen the point is defined in time it is not defined in space. So, mass points are defined in space but are not defined in time since all mass objects are moving in time from past state in future state. Also, mass-less objects like photons are defined in time (momentum) but are not defined in space since all photons are moving from one point of space in other point of space. Velocity is equal to C. Techological conclusions: 1. To make changes for rate of time for certain mass-object it is necesary to change the velocity of movement of this object in space. There are two aspects: a) movement in macro-system, movement of object; b) inner movement that is known as heat. It is technology for mass that is used as "working body of system". 2. To trap the energy from river of time it is possible to use photon But it is necessary to make the "standing photon". It is technology for mass-less "working body of system". So, the question "What propels photons?" really is connected with structure of space. We are moving instead of photon. The photons are "time-flow=0" objects by Eric Flesch. Note, that question must be sound as "What propels mass along of time direction to allow us observe the photons?" That is correct? At last, remember the method for calculation by Balmer. There are energy for transition from one energy state to other energy state. Nothing more. There are Energy of transitions from one form of mass to other form of mass. It is ALWAYS the difference only. We can think that photons are moving in our space but let's suppose that we are moving in absolute "zero-time-rate" space. Remember old proverb "Time is not going away, but we are moving in Past..." Are you interested to discuss the experiments? You are welcome in St.-Petersburg June 1996 Conference. Vadim A. Poliakov, Moscow Aviation Inst., will report on his experiments to change the rate of time in local space by means of EM. Ask for detailes by email. Best wishes for your research, --- Alexander V. Frolov P.O.Box 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 13:33:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA10216 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA09937 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rowan.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA06419; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:41:53 -0500 Received: by rowan.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA26348; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:41:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:41:23 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.742 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: List Subject: Re: fnrg: Bajak Time Device In-Reply-To: <960206150411_71232.360_GHL32-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: How does this device cause mental damage? What kind of damage does it do? What effect does it have on time? What principle does it work on? Or is it based on knowledge that came from an extraterrestrial source and therefore cannot possibly grasp? cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 13:53:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28278 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28273 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA20848; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:39 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.743 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: HV spacecraft In-Reply-To: <199602080736.XAA08817@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > With that in mind, if some flying saucers operate on high voltage > as at least one of their essential ingredients, notwithstanding the > fact that some people have reported little beings in plastic suits, > would the "Faraday Bucket" principle not mean that the occupants > of a craft generating millions of volts would be in a *null* zone > inside the craft, and have little to worry about as far as those > extreme voltages go? Yep. This is the same effect as shielding, at least it is for voltage. Even high-freq AC voltage signals can't get into a metal box. Magnetism and propagating radio signals are a different issue. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 13:54:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28068 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28063 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA20445; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.744 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: electric vibration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: sphere@digital.net Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 11:38:47 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: electric vibration Gary Hawkins wrote: > > Here's a picture of the one who began this list, Bill Beaty: > > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/billb.htm Cool hair. > > ...as Bill points out the subtle nuances of electron behavior in > a Van de Graaf machine. > > ---------------- > > Bill, > > At that science meeting, you drew on a whiteboard some of > the more intricate details about Van de Graaf machines, > including the unusual "Faraday Bucket", where a charged > ball lowered into a metal bucket is found to lose all of it's > charge when it makes contact at the bottom, inside the bucket. > The charge all moves to the outside skin of the metal bucket, > and this plays a role in the action at the top of a Van de Graaf > generator. > > With that in mind, if some flying saucers operate on high voltage > as at least one of their essential ingredients, notwithstanding the > fact that some people have reported little beings in plastic suits, > would the "Faraday Bucket" principle not mean that the occupants > of a craft generating millions of volts would be in a *null* zone > inside the craft, and have little to worry about as far as those > extreme voltages go? > The "field" that envelopes and penetrates the metal hull and flesh of its occupants can be likened to what is now called an electric field, but it is not an electric field. It is much finer, thinner, and faster in its vibration, and it does not exhibit the conventional, low-grade (high-wobble, high-inertia, large-particle) properties of ordinary electric charge, the kind that disrupts chemical processes and kills. These fields do affect the flow of large waves (inertial electrons) in radio circuits and car electrical systems. They also generate, as can be seen in bottom-view photos of Pleidian craft, a plasma-like arcing between the central con of the ship and the surrounding metal flange, the gap between the two being about one foot. The glowing blue light is caused by the luminescent resonation of air molecules in response to the "field" produced by the craft's engine, most of which appears to lie in the central cone. The resulting vibration of the air is similar to ordinary high-voltage electric arcing, and if you could put your hand into the plasma, you would probably die, but the vibration that causes the glowing of the air (which is a side-effect) and null-gravity resonance (desired effect) has little to do with ordinary high-voltage inertial electicity. Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 9 22:11:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA28696 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02349 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:05:42 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.745 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA16154; Fri, 9 Feb 96 14:48:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823906369; Fri, 09 Feb 96 14:48:53 EST Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 14:48:53 EST Message-Id: <9601098239.AA823906369@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Microwaves are everywhere, particularly in cellular phone towers. >Needless to say, something spewing out energy on a regular basis for >decades is something worth investigating. Interesting point here. While the power levels from cellular sites is in no way close to the exposure microwaved food gets, it is present over far longer periods of exposure. This had never been factored into the work that caused me to begin thinking along these lines, as I had not been looking for biological responses at all, just alterations in the response to EM fields. (This effect is quite like Beardens "conditioning of the vacuum", or the reported "treatments" applied to magnets, etc, described in some over unity device designs.) If we eat food with a water content that has an artificially high susceptibility to EM fields, and that water is taken into our bodies, what cumulative effects might start to show up? I'd guess that water is more quickly taken into the body at quite different rates as a function of the tissue type. (Dr. Wall?) This might appear that some tissue types were more susceptible to EM effects, when something more complex may actually be at work. In epidemiological studies of EM exposure and cancers and lukeimias, was any data collected on the amounts of microwaved foods eaten? I doubt it, but I wish it had been. It might be very suggestive. Then again, biology is too advanced a technology for me to grasp, I'll stick to the much simpler stuff we design and build, like free proton precession detectors and the like. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 05:57:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA12284 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA12214 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:59:12 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.747 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA16969; Tue, 6 Feb 96 10:54:09 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823633012; Tue, 06 Feb 96 10:38:01 EST Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 10:38:01 EST Message-Id: <9601068236.AA823633012@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: time travel. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Send me some info. > >At 10:28 am 2/5/96 EST, you wrote: >>reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely >>simple plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > > >Count me in as being interested in this as well. I'd love to >"dissect" the plans. How may I get a copy of these? > > >------------------------------------- William P. Taylor Send info where? I have no email address for you to post to. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:01:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA23758 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23502; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id OAA10471; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:41:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.748 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: X-Ray Lasers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Would the path of a high power X-ray laser be visible? Wouldn't there be some ionization or plasma that could be seen, or would that only be for absurdly high watt lasers, like the ones as big as buildings? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:03:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA20536 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA20403; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id OAA09478; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:24:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:24:15 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.749 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: Freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs In-Reply-To: <199602072152.QAA21670@mail-e1b.gnn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all of you that replied, thank you very much. In addition, I hear that high power microwaves are also being used in emp weapon research. I take it this has something to do with the ionization that comes with microwaves ( e.g. metal in the microwave, the reasons why masers so far have been ineffective ). Am I wrong in this assumption? ( Oh, and am I wrong in the assumption that masers have not been successfully been marketed because of ionization of metal? ) Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:05:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA01389 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from soar.com ([204.200.8.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01130 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:30:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602081730.JAA01130@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from modem005.soar.com (204.200.8.58) by soar.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.60) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Feb 1996 09:29:16 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.750 From: "William V. Adams" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:36:55 +0800 Subject: Re: fnrg: Radium Paint Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Bill Adams wrote: > >Does anyone know where I can get old style radium paint? > > Not sure on this one, but it might require licensing for > handling radioactives. Since the major use would be military, I > would suggest government contractors who provide instrumentation, > although most nowadays is illuminated by tritium. > > Good luck, Paul Lamb > Paul could you forward more info on the tritium paint i.e. where to get it(posible suppliers) and/or any other info you may have! Thanks for your help! Sincerely Bill Adams ========================================================= ~<:-?) feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com 31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. ========================================================== From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:16:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA22549 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA22233 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:34:03 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.751 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id SAA00568 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:14:15 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D4584ys Fri, Feb 09, 1996 17:54:26 EST Message-Id: <9602091754.D4584ys@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Searching For "Starlight" Energy Mirror Organization: Intermax Online Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 17:54:26 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: My E-mail service got cut off & lost 2-2-96 thru 2-6-96. Could it be big brother? Was the Starlight Business Week Article date posted? If anyone made replies to my posts, you may want to try sending again! sysop@intermax.com E=hf and E=mc^2 implies that if you get the frequency high enough, you end up with mass! A photon's mass is directly proportional to it frequency. A photon's momentum state wave shape is a corkscrew. The photon is the quantum particle of the electromagnetic field. What is the frequency of a magnet??? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:16:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA04465 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04224 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.752 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602092251.OAA04224@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 9 Feb 1996 12:21:20 EDT Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FR>> Can you please send me some more information on this time travel FR>> device ? Thank you. FR>Usually it's considered poite to send your 'me too' messages directly FR>to the poster, instead of forcing every person on the list to read FR>them. We don't need to know everyone who gets the info, and it's a FR>waste of bandwith. Thanks. I didn't request this information. I don't know how my email address got on this. John Draper From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:20:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA17782 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17561 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p4.aa.net (s3c2p4.aa.net [204.157.220.152]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22247 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:29:59 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602091829.KAA22247@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:29:27 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.753 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:22 AM 2/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hmm..."idiots in biology"? >Darn; maybe I should stop majoring in biology because of that. That broad >generalization may mean something to me! no, not stop mayoring in biology. you should only be offended or put off if you are in biology and think that physics and electronics is something only other people need to do. then you really should be goaded. that is the reason for the remark. zen masters believe in hitting unaware people on the head with stick to wake them up so alligator won't sneak up and bite their ass. study biology AND have an open curious mind to the people doing energy studies related to biological entities > >> I do believe that the blind application of microwaves to living cellular >> structures for heating purposes is PRETTY STUPID. The idiots in biology >> (who basicly see the world chemically and mechanically and are highly >> resistant to the understanding of electrical/electronic phenomenon in all >> matter at all times affecting its moment to moment characteristics) do not >> comprehend nor deal with dna as a the CRYSTAL which it essentially is, or >> rather, family of crystalline structures, considering rna, etc. This >> crystalline structure OBVIOUSLY has resonance attributes and these are >> absolutely going to be affected by EM AND/OR ELECTRICAL STIMULATION. > >No, general chemistry stopped being a prerequisite for biology quite >recently, apparently. Never mind that the fields of biochemistry or >biophysics probably deal quite intimately with organic molecules to begin >with, spending more time on the molecules than most others; never mind >that molecular genetics is intimately intertwined with the >effects that mutagens have on organisms on a long term basis... >Electrophoresis could not POSSIBLY have anything to do with genetic >material, ESPECIALLY when one is performing genetic analysis... >That out of the way... >Microwaves are everywhere, particularly in cellular phone towers. >Needless to say, something spewing out energy on a regular basis for >decades is something worth investigating. Last official report was that >there was no harmful side effects. Bull. Anyone have anything >constructive to say, rather than rhetoric, conjecture, and idle speculation? >Anyone have any solid SCIENTIFIC data? Hard to procure on human >subjects ( long term studies being hard to quantify, although one can only >draw lines of correlation instead of causality, seeing that nobody >bothered to check over the decades; gee, no foresight on anybody's part; >didn't we all see cellular phones three decades ago? ), anything on other >experimental data? > > Sincerely. > Quentin Holte. > ( aka Charles Choi. ) > > You are all the Buddha. > - Last words > of Buddha. > > If you see the Buddha, > kill him. > - Zen proverb. hard hard hard to do. takes institutional programs to handle the big money involved in long term stats. typically can't really get conclusive studying people cases because of the lack of true double blind control. it all ends up being squishy inferred stuff. only way to overcome the squish is with truly massive amounts of money for big statistical databases. one way out is cellular culture study in labs. but how many biologists want to play with electrons and batteries and lasers? hardly any, it seems. sure would be neat if some bio weirds would step up to the frng or vortex bar and talk with some of our electro weirds. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:21:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA23787 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 06:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA23764 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 06:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from t16.dialup.peg.apc.org (t16.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.144]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.10 ) with SMTP id BAA28495 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:20:32 +1000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:20:32 +1000 Message-Id: <199602101520.BAA28495@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.754 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Bajak Time Device Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > How does this device cause mental damage? What kind of damage does it >do? What effect does it have on time? > >What principle does it work on? Or is it based on knowledge that came >from an extraterrestrial source and therefore cannot possibly grasp? > >cc/impulse > What is this Bajak device...it's a new one to me Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND CONCEPTS From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:23:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28022 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28017 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA20366; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:38:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.755 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: time travel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:58:35 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: st9546np@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Hugh) Subject: Re: Re[4]: fnrg: time travel Can you please send me some more information on this time travel device ? Thank you. Hugh From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:23:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA24088 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 06:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA24064 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from t16.dialup.peg.apc.org (t16.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.144]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.10 ) with SMTP id BAA28853 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:22:38 +1000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:22:38 +1000 Message-Id: <199602101522.BAA28853@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.756 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: time travel. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Send me some info. > > > >At 10:28 am 2/5/96 EST, you wrote: > >>reportedly effective time travel device (I still have the extremely > >>simple plans if anybody's interested in dissecting it) > > > > > >Count me in as being interested in this as well. I'd love to > >"dissect" the plans. How may I get a copy of these? > > > > > >------------------------------------- William P. Taylor > > > Send info where? I have no email address for you to post to. > Wouldn't mind a copy also Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:26:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA24429 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 06:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA24415 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 06:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from t16.dialup.peg.apc.org (t16.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.144]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.10 ) with SMTP id BAA29143 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:25:37 +1000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:25:37 +1000 Message-Id: <199602101525.BAA29143@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.757 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Radium Paint Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> Bill Adams wrote: >> >Does anyone know where I can get old style radium paint? >> >> Not sure on this one, but it might require licensing for >> handling radioactives. Since the major use would be military, I >> would suggest government contractors who provide instrumentation, >> although most nowadays is illuminated by tritium. >> The last jar of radium paint I got was from a toy shop....for painting on toys to make them glow in the dark Jim F. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:33:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28278 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28273 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA20848; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:47:39 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.758 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: HV spacecraft In-Reply-To: <199602080736.XAA08817@mail.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > With that in mind, if some flying saucers operate on high voltage > as at least one of their essential ingredients, notwithstanding the > fact that some people have reported little beings in plastic suits, > would the "Faraday Bucket" principle not mean that the occupants > of a craft generating millions of volts would be in a *null* zone > inside the craft, and have little to worry about as far as those > extreme voltages go? Yep. This is the same effect as shielding, at least it is for voltage. Even high-freq AC voltage signals can't get into a metal box. Magnetism and propagating radio signals are a different issue. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 06:38:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28068 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28063 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id MAA20445; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.759 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: electric vibration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: sphere@digital.net Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 11:38:47 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: electric vibration Gary Hawkins wrote: > > Here's a picture of the one who began this list, Bill Beaty: > > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/billb.htm Cool hair. > > ...as Bill points out the subtle nuances of electron behavior in > a Van de Graaf machine. > > ---------------- > > Bill, > > At that science meeting, you drew on a whiteboard some of > the more intricate details about Van de Graaf machines, > including the unusual "Faraday Bucket", where a charged > ball lowered into a metal bucket is found to lose all of it's > charge when it makes contact at the bottom, inside the bucket. > The charge all moves to the outside skin of the metal bucket, > and this plays a role in the action at the top of a Van de Graaf > generator. > > With that in mind, if some flying saucers operate on high voltage > as at least one of their essential ingredients, notwithstanding the > fact that some people have reported little beings in plastic suits, > would the "Faraday Bucket" principle not mean that the occupants > of a craft generating millions of volts would be in a *null* zone > inside the craft, and have little to worry about as far as those > extreme voltages go? > The "field" that envelopes and penetrates the metal hull and flesh of its occupants can be likened to what is now called an electric field, but it is not an electric field. It is much finer, thinner, and faster in its vibration, and it does not exhibit the conventional, low-grade (high-wobble, high-inertia, large-particle) properties of ordinary electric charge, the kind that disrupts chemical processes and kills. These fields do affect the flow of large waves (inertial electrons) in radio circuits and car electrical systems. They also generate, as can be seen in bottom-view photos of Pleidian craft, a plasma-like arcing between the central con of the ship and the surrounding metal flange, the gap between the two being about one foot. The glowing blue light is caused by the luminescent resonation of air molecules in response to the "field" produced by the craft's engine, most of which appears to lie in the central cone. The resulting vibration of the air is similar to ordinary high-voltage electric arcing, and if you could put your hand into the plasma, you would probably die, but the vibration that causes the glowing of the air (which is a side-effect) and null-gravity resonance (desired effect) has little to do with ordinary high-voltage inertial electicity. Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 11:32:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA13897 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA13782; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id OAA21161; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:21:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.760 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. In-Reply-To: <9601098239.AA823906369@ccgate2.nectech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > If we eat food with a water content that has an artificially high > susceptibility to EM fields, and that water is taken into our bodies, > what cumulative effects might start to show up? I'd guess that water > is more quickly taken into the body at quite different rates as a > function of the tissue type. (Dr. Wall?) This might appear that some > tissue types were more susceptible to EM effects, when something more > complex may actually be at work. In a ( distantly ) related point, my father has a product from China that is essentially a thermos bottle that "magnetizes" the water; at least that's what the print on the box the bottle came in said. I do know that the water does taste differently afterwards. The print mentioned before states that "magnetizing" the water ( I put "magnetizing" in quotes because although I'm sure the bottle has magnetic metal inside, I am not 100% sure ) has reputed physical benefits. > Interesting point here. While the power levels from cellular sites is > in no way close to the exposure microwaved food gets, it is present > over far longer periods of exposure. > > This had never been factored into the work that caused me to begin > thinking along these lines, as I had not been looking for biological > responses at all, just alterations in the response to EM fields. When I found out that there was even a chance that EM fields might be dangerous to one's health, yes, I have to say I was disturbed. You see electronics all around you everyday, and never give them a thought; who knows what long term effects electric fields and electromagnetic radiation may have on a person? I'm not saying I'm paranoid over it, but the fact is that electronics are everywhere in the cities I've lived in, and that we should start looking into this as a new discipline within environmental science ( which has only recently [ geological time ] started to consider the impact of the environment on biology ). There is far too much research that needs to be done that I think most people have not even begun to think about. ( Scary. ) Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 11:41:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA15966 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA15900 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id OAA21486; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:31:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:31:28 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.761 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: <199602091829.KAA22247@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > hard hard hard to do. takes institutional programs to handle the big money > involved in long term stats. > > typically can't really get conclusive studying people cases because of the > lack of true double blind control. it all ends up being squishy inferred > stuff. only way to overcome the squish is with truly massive amounts of > money for big statistical databases. > > one way out is cellular culture study in labs. but how many biologists want > to play with electrons and batteries and lasers? hardly any, it seems. > sure would be neat if some bio weirds would step up to the frng or vortex > bar and talk with some of our electro weirds. Yeah, that's all too true. I have to say that I'm not alone in the fears about the growing amount of lack-of-communication between the fields of science. It's a real good point; all too many scientists out there don't get together to talk about what's new, and how that might relate elsewhere. For the most part, I guess most research scientists can't; their own research is too time consuming and taxing as is; the only ones left are usually those not IN research per se; one of many reasons I think scifi manages to 'predict' such startling images ( because of the fact that most scifi writers do not have to worry about the constraints of research ). There is, however, much too much at stake for Guild Syndrome ( that's what I call the factionalization ) to take over; maybe a Renaissance is at hand. Sorry for the rambling. ( By the by, there's a great Asimov short story about the impact of Guild Syndrome on society, but I can't remember the name of the top of my head at the moment. ) Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Michael Mandeville wrote: > At 05:22 AM 2/9/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Hmm..."idiots in biology"? > >Darn; maybe I should stop majoring in biology because of that. That broad > >generalization may mean something to me! > > no, not stop mayoring in biology. you should only be offended or put off if > you are in biology and think that physics and electronics is something only > other people need to do. then you really should be goaded. that is the > reason for the remark. zen masters believe in hitting unaware people on the > head with stick to wake them up so alligator won't sneak up and bite their ass. > > study biology AND have an open curious mind to the people doing energy > studies related to biological entities > > > > >> I do believe that the blind application of microwaves to living cellular > >> structures for heating purposes is PRETTY STUPID. The idiots in biology > >> (who basicly see the world chemically and mechanically and are highly > >> resistant to the understanding of electrical/electronic phenomenon in all > >> matter at all times affecting its moment to moment characteristics) do not > >> comprehend nor deal with dna as a the CRYSTAL which it essentially is, or > >> rather, family of crystalline structures, considering rna, etc. This > >> crystalline structure OBVIOUSLY has resonance attributes and these are > >> absolutely going to be affected by EM AND/OR ELECTRICAL STIMULATION. > > > >No, general chemistry stopped being a prerequisite for biology quite > >recently, apparently. Never mind that the fields of biochemistry or > >biophysics probably deal quite intimately with organic molecules to begin > >with, spending more time on the molecules than most others; never mind > >that molecular genetics is intimately intertwined with the > >effects that mutagens have on organisms on a long term basis... > >Electrophoresis could not POSSIBLY have anything to do with genetic > >material, ESPECIALLY when one is performing genetic analysis... > >That out of the way... > >Microwaves are everywhere, particularly in cellular phone towers. > >Needless to say, something spewing out energy on a regular basis for > >decades is something worth investigating. Last official report was that > >there was no harmful side effects. Bull. Anyone have anything > >constructive to say, rather than rhetoric, conjecture, and idle speculation? > >Anyone have any solid SCIENTIFIC data? Hard to procure on human > >subjects ( long term studies being hard to quantify, although one can only > >draw lines of correlation instead of causality, seeing that nobody > >bothered to check over the decades; gee, no foresight on anybody's part; > >didn't we all see cellular phones three decades ago? ), anything on other > >experimental data? > > > > Sincerely. > > Quentin Holte. > > ( aka Charles Choi. ) > > > > You are all the Buddha. > > - Last words > > of Buddha. > > > > If you see the Buddha, > > kill him. > > - Zen proverb. > > > > ____________________________________ > MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing > Michael Mandeville, publisher > mwm@aa.net > http://www.aa.net/~mwm > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 16:00:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA01040 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00964 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dal44.fastlane.net (dal44.fastlane.net [204.251.16.144]) by fastlane.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17056 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:54:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602110054.SAA17056@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:34:50 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.762 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >To all of you that replied, thank you very much. >In addition, I hear that high power microwaves are also being used in emp >weapon research. I take it this has something to do with the ionization >that comes with microwaves ( e.g. metal in the microwave, the reasons why >masers so far have been ineffective ). Am I wrong in this assumption? >( Oh, and am I wrong in the assumption that masers have not been >successfully been marketed because of ionization of metal? ) > > Sincerely. > Quentin Holte. > ( aka Charles Choi. ) > > You are all the Buddha. > - Last words > of Buddha. > > If you see the Buddha, > kill him. > - Zen proverb. > > Check out the Phillips Corporation's Web page - they are heavy into EMP research. Their Web page talks about 1 gigawatt microwave generators! bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 16:33:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA07100 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com (ix8.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA07082 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA23820; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:31:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:31:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199602110031.QAA23820@ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.763 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: . . . > If we eat food with a water content that has an artificially high > susceptibility to EM fields, and that water is taken into our > bodies, what cumulative effects might start to show up? I'd > guess that water is more quickly taken into the body at quite > different rates as a function of the tissue type. (Dr. Wall?) > This might appear that some tissue types were more susceptible to > EM effects, when something more complex may actually be at work. . . . You are quite right. Water, as many other chemical components in the body, has different absorption and excretion rates in different organs and tissues. Certain organs such as bowel, kidneys and lungs have very high rates of water metabolism. Water absorption and excretion is not only governed by simple diffusion gradients, but very importantly by active transport on a cellular level. This is an active process and consumes energy as ATP --> ADP. If this pump is altered in the least by water that has been rendered "toxic", dramatic and possibly fatal consequences might result. I don't know if or how microwave energy alters water. I do realize that this is a serious enquiry that should receive further investigation. Prior to launching any biologic quest as to the possible deleterious effects of microwave altered water, it seems logical that detection of altered physical properties of water should come first. I am not familiar with the case where the patient died after being transfused with microwaved blood. I would guess the following senario to be correct. The refrigerated blood to be transfused was needed quickly and the blood was microwaved to warm it to body temperature prior to transfusion. Someone really nuked it rather than warmed it. They literally cooked the blood by excessive irradiation. This lysed (broke open) the red blood cells releasing large amounts of K ions. Na ions are more concentrated in plasma and K ions are concentrated intracellurly, again by an active Na/K cellular pump. Humans cannot tolerate large, fast intravascular increases of K ion. It causes cardiac arythmias, fibrillation and death. Dr. Kevorkian and most state executions are fond of using an IV bolus of K ions to produce sudden death. The transfused microwaved blood probably contained large amounts of K ions in its plasma and this killed the patient very quickly. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 17:16:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA14572 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (pra@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA14538 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pra@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA20734; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:15:57 -0700 (MST) X-UIDL: 834952770.764 From: Ed Harada Message-Id: <199602110115.SAA20734@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: fnrg: Test and Measurement To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:15:56 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <199601052334.SAA15956@cnct.com> from "Keith Nagel" at Jan 5, 96 06:34:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Keith, I'll volunteer to help with a power measurement faq. The world could certainly use one. Ed From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 18:54:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA29899 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA29878 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA05575; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:53:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.766 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: BAJAK.UUE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I put the uudecoded unzipped bajak.doc file on the freenrg-list web page, http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Warning: eskimo.com is very slow evenings PST (Seattle), so if you get "not found" messages, its from timeouts. Keep trying, or try again some other time. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 18:56:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA27894 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27835 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id VAA02887; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:31:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:31:47 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.767 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs In-Reply-To: <199602110054.SAA17056@fastlane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Bert Pool wrote: > >To all of you that replied, thank you very much. > >In addition, I hear that high power microwaves are also being used in emp > >weapon research. I take it this has something to do with the ionization > >that comes with microwaves ( e.g. metal in the microwave, the reasons why > >masers so far have been ineffective ). Am I wrong in this assumption? > >( Oh, and am I wrong in the assumption that masers have not been > >successfully been marketed because of ionization of metal? ) > > > > Sincerely. > > Quentin Holte. > > ( aka Charles Choi. ) > > > > You are all the Buddha. > > - Last words > > of Buddha. > > > > If you see the Buddha, > > kill him. > > - Zen proverb. > > > > > > Check out the Phillips Corporation's Web page - they are heavy into EMP > research. > > Their Web page talks about 1 gigawatt microwave generators! > > bert What's their web page address? Couldn't find them. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 10 18:57:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA00551 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA00539 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id SAA05721; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:57:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:57:07 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.768 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:48:50 -0800 From: Vaughn Skinner To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:34:50 -0500 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >To all of you that replied, thank you very much. >In addition, I hear that high power microwaves are also being used in emp >weapon research. I take it this has something to do with the ionization >that comes with microwaves ( e.g. metal in the microwave, the reasons why >masers so far have been ineffective ). Am I wrong in this assumption? >( Oh, and am I wrong in the assumption that masers have not been >successfully been marketed because of ionization of metal? ) Check out the Phillips Corporation's Web page - they are heavy into EMP research. Their Web page talks about 1 gigawatt microwave generators! bert Do you have a URL? vaughn From 71232.360@compuserve.com Sun Feb 11 07:38:42 1996 Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [198.4.9.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA08414 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 07:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA18762; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:37:23 -0500 Date: 11 Feb 96 10:36:02 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.769 From: Chris Malcheski <71232.360@compuserve.com> To: William Beaty Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: BAJAK.UUE Message-ID: <960211153601_71232.360_GHL125-2@CompuServe.COM> Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bill, Thanks much -- I'll check out the site. Hope the pix came out okay! -- Chris From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 11:19:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA12149 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA12096 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:15:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602111915.LAA12096@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:38:27 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.770 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> would the "Faraday Bucket" principle not mean that the occupants >> of a craft generating millions of volts would be in a *null* zone >> inside the craft, and have little to worry about as far as those >> extreme voltages go? >> The "field" that envelopes and penetrates the metal hull and flesh of >its occupants can be likened to what is now called an electric field, >but it is not an electric field. It is much finer, thinner, and faster >in its vibration, and it does not exhibit the conventional, low-grade >(high-wobble, high-inertia, large-particle) properties of ordinary >electric charge, the kind that disrupts chemical processes and kills. >These fields do affect the flow of large waves (inertial electrons) in >radio circuits and car electrical systems. They also generate, as can >be seen in bottom-view photos of Pleidian craft, a plasma-like arcing >between the central cone of the ship and the surrounding metal flange, the >gap between the two being about one foot. The glowing blue light is caused >by the luminescent resonation of air molecules in response to the "field" >produced by the craft's engine, most of which appears to lie in the central >cone. The resulting vibration of the air is similar to ordinary high-voltage >electric arcing, and if you could put your hand into the plasma, you would >probably die, but the vibration that causes the glowing of the air (which is >a side-effect) and null-gravity resonance (desired effect) has little to do >with ordinary high-voltage inertial electicity. > >Lee > > > Then if that energy is much finer, thinner, etc than an electric field, it is an easy continuation from there to see not only electrons and electric fields being a side-effect (of sorts) of that energy, but also that what we perceive as magnetism can also then be just another side-effect of that more ethereal motion. Standardized descriptors for electrons and magnetic fields have been thoroughly established, quantified, analyzed and cataloged, and yet I have seen little effort for the most part in all of standard science to explain what they are made up of. Whatever they are made of would be the very *stuff* of existence, and an understanding of it would be a *fundamental* understanding of what makes this movie tick. It might be easy to start with a supposition that electrons are vortexes of this "stuff". But it is intriguing to consider the possibility that they are--toroidal storms, in a sense. A short "Slinky" wrapped back around end to end and connected would be a simple representation of it. Like a smoke ring (incredibly efficient in movement) an electron like this would move by rotation in upon itself. At the same time it would be revolving about its own axis perhaps, and the drag on the "stuff" around it would produce what we term a "magnetic field". Imagine if these donut shaped movements of ether (electrons) are pulling ether through their center. Because of their interaction with ether you would be able to get them to orient a particular way using an already existing ether flow (magnetic field) and therefore cause them to pull themselves along in a particular direction, as in, say, a wire (electron flow). By lowering the temperature, you might be able to lower their jellylike wobble enough--make them still enough-- to allow their vacuum sides to join, and wind up with "paired electrons", in which they would no longer be attracted into orbit around atomic centers and would then flow freely without resistance through wires at those lowered temperatures (superconductivity). Oddly enough, reaching this point, a message came in with the content of David Hudson's applied for patent (not granted) from Jerry Decker of KeelyNet, with this interesting item...: " ...from the d orbital and create a positive hole, enabling a pairing between opposite spin electrons from the d to s orbitals to take place. The existence of the electron pairing is confirmed by infrared analysis, illustrated in FIGURE 4, which identities the vibrational and rotational motions caused by energy exchange between these two mirror image electrons." I'd say the electrons don't appear to have opposite spins until they join as a pair, and then they take on the appearance of mirror images, interpreted as opposite spins relative to each other, simply because of how they are situated. Picture a couple of donuts stuck to each other, rotating in upon themselves, messing like a couple of gears, but made up of ether movement I suppose. Stan Tenen talks about this torroidal shape in nature, and some info on that can be found at: http://www.lauralee.com/ I just put that David Hudson patent application on the web at: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/hudson.htm The QUESTION I would ask if any of what I've speculated on is valid is this: What conditions could lead to the pairing of electrons besides cold? A magnetic field can likely orient an electron, but would lead them toward alignments all in one direction, not face to face. At this point that term comes creeping to mind: "Scalar". Then there are bifilar coils, and one might keep in mind the possibility that a magnetic field could merely be a side-effect of a more fundamental force that could possibly exist in two opposing directions at once, and promote the pairing of electrons. Alright, 'nuf o' this. I could write a book here. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 12:52:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA28378 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.7.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA28351 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA29362; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:50:51 -0500 Date: 11 Feb 96 15:49:04 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.772 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Electric vibration ... Message-ID: <960211204903_76216.2421_HHB65-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Gary >I could write a book here. Some of us wish you would! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 13:20:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA03264 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03229 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:20:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602112120.NAA03229@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from servtech.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Sun, 11 Feb 96 16:20 EST X-Sender: mattm@cyber1.servtech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:33:17 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.773 From: Matt Mahoney Subject: fnrg: Bajak Time Travel Device Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Can someone on this list convert the bajak.doc (Microsoft Word v6.0) document to a Microsoft Write or Text document and e-mail it to me ? Thank you. -Matt -------------------------------------------- E-Mail: mattm@servtech.com WWW: http://www.servtech.com/public/mattm Location: Rochester, NY Life-Plus ID #: 233554 --------------------------------------------- From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 17:04:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA07689 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA07627 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id RAA01626; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:02:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:02:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.774 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: INE 96 symposium Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I don't recall if this was posted here before: -bill b. ______________________________________________________________________________ | File Name : ISNE96.ASC | Online Date : 02/09/96 | | Contributed by : Jerry Decker | Dir Category : CONTACT | | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 | | A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences | | InterNet email keelynet@ix.netcom.com (Jerry Decker) | | Files also available at Bill Beaty's http://www.eskimo.com/~billb | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| If you are serious about your studies of Over-Unity devices, you will definitely want to attend this conference. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Symposium on New Energy April 25-28 at the Denver Hilton South Hotel, Denver, Colorado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Key Speakers Dennis Cravens on the Patterson Fuel Cell Mark Hendershot on the Hendershot Motor Harold Puthoff on Zero Point Energy Jim Griggs on the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump Eugene Mallove on Cold Fusion Tom Valone on Free Energy & Propulsion Edgar Mitchell (former Apollo astronaut) on New Energy Other Speakers Harold Aspden on Ferromagnetics Robert Emmerich on Measuring Energy John Grow on Antigravity William Hyde on the Hyde Electrostatic Generator Scott Klaumizio on Power from food oils Ron Kovac on Transmutation of elements Peter Linderman on Thermodynamics Roy McAllister on Hydrogen Energy Bill Mulle on the Magnetic Motor Generator Dale Pond on the Keely Motor Troy Reed on the Reed Magnetic More and related research Bert Werjefelt on the Magnetic Motor Charles Yost on Electric Spacecraft Propulsion Paulo Correa on Pulse Abnormal Glow Discharges Hal Fox on Cold Fusion John Hutchinson on Antigravity and the Energy Convertor Russ James on the Magnetic Emission Reduction Device Don Kelly with his Free energy update Win Lambertson on Solid State Energy Conversion Jeanne Manning on the Upcoming Energy Revolution Andrew Michrowski on Free Energy in a Self-Sustaining Home Brian O'Leary on his book, Miracle in the Void Wing Pon with a Unified Theory of Free Energy Pierre Sinclair on the Hammill Magnetic Gravitational Drive Dan Winter on Gravitational Energy and its relationship to Emotion and many more ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Itinerary April 25 - Thursday Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM April 26 - Friday Lectures 8:30AM - 5:00PM Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM April 27 - Saturday Lectures 8:30AM - 5:00PM Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM April 28 - Sunday Lectures 8:30AM - 5:00PM Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Details Location Denver Hilton South Hotel, 7801 East Orchard Road, Englewood, Colorado 80111 (south part of Denver) A private shuttle bus is available from the airport. Purchase tickets at ground transportation. Hotel reservations at 1.800.327.2242 Hotel room rates are $59 for a single and a block of rooms has been reserved, please mention that you are with the ISNE conference in April. Registration - before March 1 - $200 between March 1 and April 1 - $250 after April 1 - $300 Workshops - $20 each Banquet - $25 Additional information from International Association of New Science, 1304 South College Avenue, Fort Collins, CO 970.482.3731 FAX 970.482.3120 Make checks payable to International Association for New Science. Memberships to IANS $35. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 17:04:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA07398 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA07385 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id RAA01574; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:01:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:01:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.775 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Joe Champion transmutation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:10:15 -0700 From: Joe Champion To: William Beaty Subject: Proof of Transmutation MASS SPECTROSCOPY VALIDATION OF TRANSMUTATION In June of 1995, I presented a paper to Dr. John O'M Bockris validating "low energy nuclear reactions" from data compiled by the Perkin Elmer Corporation. The analyses were compiled on material which I had generated in my laboratory. Due to the mounds of controversy surrounding this topic, I decided to publish this data (in part) on the WEB. It can be found at: http://www.netzone.com/~discpub/valid.html For the skeptics in the mist, the data in this report was generated by the technical staff of Perkin Elmer Corporation in San Jose, California. The tests were performed in a demonstration of their Elan-6000 mass spectrometer From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 17:27:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA11586 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA11564 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id UAA26921 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:26:42 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.776 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602120126.UAA26921@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: new members To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freng) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:26:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I used to be in this list, but I quit. Now i'm back! I have a new science home page at: gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html Will people look at it and tell me what they think? Will people also please join the Science club, we need more members! We also have are very own mailling list! Cool hu? -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 18:24:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA21799 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxx.mc.net (root@maxx.mc.net [206.138.8.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA21769 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from d3007.mc.net (d3007.mc.net [206.138.13.107]) by maxx.mc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA28824; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:23:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199602120223.UAA28824@maxx.mc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.777 From: "Robert Sciog" To: mattm@servtech.com Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:34:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fnrg: Bajak Time Travel Device text file CC: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Can someone on this list convert the bajak.doc (Microsoft Word v6.0) > document to a Microsoft Write or Text document and e-mail it to me ? Thank you. > > > -Matt > I also had a problem reading the file since I do not have Word on my home machine. To save those who are interested the work of reformatting the document, here is bajak.doc in text format. > DeviceAuthor's Note: the following material was either received or obtained by me between January 28, 1994 and February 4, 1996. The first section contains message traffic from the CompuServe New Age Forum (reposted by permission). The second section contains my initial correspondence with John Bajak. The third section contains Mr. Bajak's initial plans and information. The fourth section contains what material is available from other parties. I'm including every scrap of information I have regarding this device. The purpose of providing this file to others is to attempt to fill in the missing pieces. A few people have reported varying degrees of success working with the designs provided herein on an as-is basis. Most report total failure. I personally am convinced that there is an as-yet unknown factor which the few having success have inadvertently applied in a correct manner; one that is not specifically addressed in any of the material herein. All said, the contents of this file should be taken as a basis for further research and not as a ready-to-use instruction book. Part I - Initial Discussion from Compuserve's New Age Forum Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: Roger Clay/SL9, 76702,303 Friday, January 28, 1994 9:01:22 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #176857Anybody here interested in a time machine that really works? E-mail a snail mail address and the schematic, instructions, and warnings are yours. Try me! You could get lucky!John Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 Saturday, January 29, 1994 8:53:21 AM From: Alain Beaulieu/SL16, 70403,3645 #176989 >> time machine that really works?Are we talking about a real time #machine, or of something like "a VCR is a time machine"?Alain Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 Saturday, January 29, 1994 2:58:28 PM From: Tony Alicea/SL4, 70751,3077 #177067Isn't time travel a physical impossibility ?Tony Subj: time machine for you Science/Technology To: Tony Alicea/SL4, 70751,3077 Sunday, January 30, 1994 12:48:08 PM From: Jeff Miller, 75500,3077 #177375But is it a mental impossibility?---jeff Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: Alain Beaulieu/SL16, 70403,3645 Sunday, January 30, 1994 2:10:19 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #177386A time machine, for example, that you could watch the 1997 superbowl, say, tomorrow. Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: Tony Alicea/SL4, 70751,3077 Sunday, January 30, 1994 2:13:26 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #177388Tony: It's not so much a physical impossibility than a paradox. A paradox is much easier to deal with than impossibility. John Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 Sunday, January 30, 1994 4:55:22 PM From: Mikhail, 73664,20 #177481Where did you get a time machine that really works? And why would you sell it? Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: Mikhail, 73664,20 Sunday, January 30, 1994 5:46:25 PM From: Tony Alicea/SL4, 70751,3077 #177504Mikhail,<>From H.G. #Wells of course! (Just Kidding' !)Tony Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: Mikhail, 73664,20 Monday, January 31, 1994 4:05:14 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #177931Mikhail: I discovered time machine by accident when I was working on teleportation (aka Star Trek). I would sell it because I discovered it had been invented already twice in the past century; but the discoverers had flown the coop. I would sell it because I believe in when the news of a time machine in reality hits the public eye in Newsweek and Peter Jennings, for example, there will be a rapture or inotherwords exodus of a major part of human history - where anybody with relatives in the future will be taken by their relatives - its going to happen. As long as Im at it, I am considered right now as very grandiose... but time will prove me however it goes.John Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: Mikhail, 73664,20 Monday, January 31, 1994 4:09:23 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #177934Mikhail: By the way, in case you are interested in why I am advertising now: I promised Jesus I would wait until after the Hubble telescope got its repairs and could see the edge of the universe earth- bound telescopes could not. If you read Time magazine, versus the cover photo of Weekly World News, you can see the dichotomy present in the media itself, in reference to itself, and their source audience. John Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 Monday, January 31, 1994 6:57:04 PM From: Jeff Miller, 75500,3077 #178000Is this a serious conversation?---jeff Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technology To: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 Tuesday, February 01, 1994 2:44:07 PM From: Star Fire, 71533,1302 #178300I research and develop technologies of an unusual nature as well, and one such interest has been a method of forward time travel. Several questions come to mind regarding the technology...and they are not tongue-in-cheek. I am quite open minded to time travel, and many outright paranormal phenomena.First, how large is the apparatus? Does it travel with the person moving through time, or act as a gateway? Second, what is the power source? Third, would you assemble and sell the units for those without the time (pun intended) or patience to produce a working unit on their own? Fourth, more of a suggestion than a question; make a well assembled, safe unit, and offer time transfer service to those interested. Also, one more question; since the unit is vaguely based on the design of a transporter, can it lock onto a person at a distance within this time, and cause transfer to another time? Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technolo gy To: Jeff Miller, 75500,3077 Tuesday, February 01, 1994 4:01:16 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #178323Jeff: Yes, it is a serious conversation. John Subj: time machine for you Section: Science/Technolo gy To: Star Fire, 71533,1302 Tuesday, February 01, 1994 4:14:14 PM From: JOHN BAJAK, 70272,337 #178335Star Fire: You ask a lot of good questions. I'll answer them here to the best of my ability. #1:The apparatus is quite small - my first one built fit into a checkbook box, like you get from a bank when you open an account. #2 - It travels with the person moving through time - although I see with more development of the basic concept a gateway. #3 The power source is DC, over 14 volts - 14 volts is the calculated minimum, and very little amperage. #4 - Although I do have the time to build these devices and sell them, right now I have no desire to do so. I believe in efficient use of time. #5 - time transfer service has already been established in the future, and varies state to state. Some states like Florida and Texas it is illegal to use this circuits - and New York and California (which will split in two, North California and South California) it is not only legal, but encouraged. (next century, I believe.) Because of this knowledge, I allow myself only inventorship, and information leading to time travel is universally allowed. #6 - I am not aware of a technology that allows teleportation. Therefore I believe in the Heisenburg Uncertainty principle as regards the simultaneous knowledge of both where and when an elementary particle is. This question is moot. > +----------------+----------------------------------------+ | Robert Sciog | | | rsciog@mc.net | | +----------------+----------------------------------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 18:59:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA27688 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27632 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA27575 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:58:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:58:17 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.779 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: fnrg: www.padrak.com/ine/ - Do - See Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Pictures & photos -- scan with scanner, edit in Photoshop or other editor. >Save in favorite file format, Gif for 256 colors, jpeg for 24 bit color and >compressed. Use jpeg for photos, gifs for graphics. > >Slides -- scan with a slide scanner or if your regular scanner has >transparency adapter and high enough resolution (600 dpi should be more >than adequate for decent sized screen pics). Edit as before. > >Video -- Grab frames with a frame grabber board in your computer. Edit as >before. > >Richard Austin -- email: richard@rt66.com -- radio: KG7SU > WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ >------------------------------------------------------- > Institute for Planetary Renewal > "Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design" > > Sing, Dance, Laugh, and Play... > Have You Had Your Quota Today? I was searching for "www." web sites, and came on your old Dec. 5 message. I definitely neeed my quota today!!! Thanks for the reminder! Also - www.padrak.com/ine/ has been updated a lot since then. No pictures as yet. Probably B&W only - later. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 18:59:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA27833 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27773 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA27625; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:58:47 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:58:47 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: neotech@world.std.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) X-UIDL: 834952770.780 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Using the latest subject list for ALL AVAILABLE LISTS on the internet, using this www site (in the top 5% use on the nets): http://www.neosoft.com/internet/paml/bysubj.html I came up with this list below as the ONLY list on alternative energy. Is that right? Who is going to contact the manager of that site? The maintainer (bless her soul) is Stephanie da Silva, and is at one or both of these email sites (God, I love www.four11.com): arielle@taronga.com STEPHANIE.DA.SILVA@5141-0.MTLNET.ORG She says in the site that she is only the programmer, and that the person you have to contact is Peter, her husband, and (of course) their own link to him doesn't work, and so (using four11) I got: Peter at: peter@taronga.com So, someone send him a nice email to him with the proper info for them to list Neotech and/or the Freengy list(s). Thanks! Dr. Patrick Bailey President, Institute for New Energy www.padrak.com/ine/ UCB - 1963-1967 (da tear gas years...) cc: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) From: http://www.neosoft.com/internet/paml/bysubj.html under "energy" (there is no "ufos". Wanna bet? I_UFO-L, etc.) ------------------ Alternative Energy ------------------ Contact: LISTSERV@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU Purpose: The AE Alternative Energy Discussion Mailing List is intended to provide a forum to discuss the current state of the art and future direction of alternative energy sources that are renewable and sustainable. An alternative energy source is taken to include solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, electro-chemical, hydro-electric, or any renewable and sustainable energy source. To subscribe, send email to LISTSERV@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU and in the body of the message, put SUBSCRIBE AE firstname lastname After subscribing, you may enable the digest feature by sending SET AE DIGEST to LISTSERV@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU List owner: cvisser@ucrmath.ucr.edu (Clyde R. Visser, KD6GWN) Last change: Mar 95 Last change on or before Nov 30 01:41 Keywords: science energy environment Up to Index or A. Previous Alternate Tuning Next Alternative Photo Processes From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 19:20:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA01688 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 19:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from aurora.engr.latech.edu (root@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu [138.47.18.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01674 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 19:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.131.98.172] ([192.131.98.172]) by aurora.engr.latech.edu (8.6.11/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA21693 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:20:36 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:21:01 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.781 From: campbellcc@www.hendrix.edu (VALIS) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >When I found out that there was even a chance that EM fields might be >dangerous to one's health, yes, I have to say I was disturbed. You see >electronics all around you everyday, and never give them a thought; who >knows what long term effects electric fields and electromagnetic >radiation may have on a person? I'm not saying I'm paranoid over it, but >the fact is that electronics are everywhere in the cities I've lived in, >and that we should start looking into this as a new discipline within >environmental science ( which has only recently [ geological time ] >started to consider the impact of the environment on biology ). There is >far too much research that needs to be done that I think most people have >not even begun to think about. ( Scary. ) I did an experiment last year and the year before involving fruit flies and Electro-magnetic radiation. The data is in some storage box, but I do remember the results. The fruit flies near the field emmisions died in hours, days for the ones slightly further back from the emissions. and in the second experiment, groups of ten males and felmales were rendered infertle. Granted these are fruit flies, but we have no real idea what kind of effect these things have. more research needs to be done. It frightens me too. P.S. I would like some information on where to get the schematic for the time travel device, but could not find the orginal sender of the offer, I don't mean to cloud the list with this but could someone _please_ tell me who to contact about this. I appreacate your help and patience. Sincerely, Courtney C. Campbell... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Courtney C. Campbell * * Campbellcc@www.hendrix.edu * * Http://www.hendrix.edu/homes/stu/campbellcc/ * * "There are four sides to every chessboard" * * * * "I am not mad. * * I am intrested in freedom." * * -James Douglas Morrison * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Buckaroo Banzai * =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Matter is plastic in the face of mind -Tractates Cryptica Scriptura Phillip Kindred Dick/VALIS End of line... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 20:38:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA12724 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca (freenet.npiec.on.ca [205.211.3.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA12713 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by freenet.npiec.on.ca (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) id XAA17048; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:39:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:39:14 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.782 From: Wolfgang Starchild Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > hours, days for the ones slightly further back from the emissions. and in > the second experiment, groups of ten males and felmales were rendered > infertle. Granted these are fruit flies, but we have no real idea what kind This is probbably a really dubm question, but how exactly do you tell the difference between male and female fruit flies? Arent' they a little small to actually see genitalia (do they *have* genitalia?) Wolf -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skyward Aerospace Box 29062 - 125 Carlton Street St. Catharines, ON L2R-7P9 Canada Voice: (905)685-8726 Extension #1 Fax: (905)685-3829 E-Mail: wstarchi@freenet.npiec.on.ca "Today Is A Day For Firm Decisions! Or Is It?" From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 20:55:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA15521 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA15509 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw41.fastlane.net (fw41.fastlane.net [206.42.189.41]) by fastlane.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18761 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:50:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602120550.XAA18761@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:56:52 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.783 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: EMPs X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > >To all of you that replied, thank you very much. > >In addition, I hear that high power microwaves are also being used in emp > >weapon research. I take it this has something to do with the ionization > >that comes with microwaves ( e.g. metal in the microwave, the reasons why > >masers so far have been ineffective ). Am I wrong in this assumption? > >( Oh, and am I wrong in the assumption that masers have not been > >successfully been marketed because of ionization of metal? ) > > Check out the Phillips Corporation's Web page - they are heavy into EMP > research. > > Their Web page talks about 1 gigawatt microwave generators! > > bert > >Do you have a URL? > >vaughn > I received a couple of requests for the URL's for information on EMP stuff. I have two or three excellent areas for those of you who are into giant lasers, masers, EMP, capacitive discharge stuff (megajoule cap banks), and get this, directed toroidal energy packets that release their contained energy when they strike a target, releasing energy at a level high enough to generate X-rays at a level equivalent to that found in a nuclear detonation! I couldn't make this stuff up..... URLs: Phillips Corporation has some of the most interesting stuff, check out all of their areas, pay close attention to what they are saying: http://www.plk.af.mil/PLhome/PA/FACTSHEETS/factsheets.html (watch out for the mixture of upper/lower case letters) The other URL is also military : http://www.wlmn.eglin.af.mil/public/facility/hyper.html I was blown away (pun intended) by their admission of having developed a pod that can hang below the fuselage of a standard fighter jet that contains a microwave "disruptor" capable of delivering a wide band pulse of over one BILLION watts. I'd hate to be in any kind of aircraft within miles of this baby when the little red button gets pushed. It looks like a suitable power supply is the only holdback.... the facility at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque has an MHD generator that uses the detonation of high power explosives, up to ten thousand pounds, to generate giant electrical power bursts for these experiments. Anyone care to calculate the peak electrical power available from a 10,000 pound blast of C4 or equivalent??? There's some guy lying awake at night trying to figure out how to contain and use the power of hundreds of pounds of explosives in an airborne package to drive EMP weapons like this.....I guess it's a living. We'd all be flying around in saucers that run on aetheric energy, living in homes powered by self-contained non-polluting energy sources if our government put 1/10 of their resources (our money) into the kind of research WE believe in and try to develop on whatever we have left over after we pay rent or make that monthly mortgage payment. I'll wipe the soap off my feet now ;) Bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 11 21:41:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA21949 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from aurora.engr.latech.edu (root@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu [138.47.18.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA21939 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.131.98.172] ([192.131.98.172]) by aurora.engr.latech.edu (8.6.11/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA04776 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:41:00 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:41:28 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.784 From: campbellcc@www.hendrix.edu (VALIS) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >This is probbably a really dubm question, but how exactly do you tell the >difference between male and female fruit flies? Arent' they a little >small to actually see genitalia (do they *have* genitalia?) >Wolf If you gas them, and put them under a microscope, the males have dark rear ends, and the females have lighter color rears. (Forgive the innacurate termnology, I'm a physics person, not a bio person) It wasn't easy to tell, But accuracy was about 95 percent. and with ten in each jar, you can have a 1/2 fly error. It probably wasn't that exact for me, but I had help from a bio person in sexing the fruit flies. If anyone wants more info, I can send them the data, but it may be a month or two before I find where I left the hard data. However I can tell you what I remember off the top of my head. Just write me at my address. BTW No such thing as a dumb question... Sincerely, Courtney C. Campbell... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Courtney C. Campbell * * Campbellcc@www.hendrix.edu * * Http://www.hendrix.edu/homes/stu/campbellcc/ * * "There are four sides to every chessboard" * * * * "I am not mad. * * I am intrested in freedom." * * -James Douglas Morrison * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Buckaroo Banzai * =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Matter is plastic in the face of mind -Tractates Cryptica Scriptura Phillip Kindred Dick/VALIS End of line... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 12 07:04:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA18398 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA18322 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id JAA17749; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:53:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:53:58 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.785 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Wolfgang Starchild wrote: > > hours, days for the ones slightly further back from the emissions. and in > > the second experiment, groups of ten males and felmales were rendered > > infertle. Granted these are fruit flies, but we have no real idea what kind > > This is probbably a really dubm question, but how exactly do you tell the > difference between male and female fruit flies? Arent' they a little > small to actually see genitalia (do they *have* genitalia?) > Well, the way biologists tell the two genders apart in labs is the difference in size that exists between the two genders. They both have their respective generative organs, but those are not visible to the human eye. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 12 11:34:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA04716 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02902 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p2.aa.net (s1c1p2.aa.net [204.157.220.174]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02655 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:15:52 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602121915.LAA02655@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:15:19 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.786 From: Michael Mandeville Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Received: from eskimo.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Sat, 10 Feb 96 11:37 EST Received: from mail.eskimo.com by uhost1.servtech.com ; 10 FEB 96 10:08:05 EDT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA17782 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17561 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c2p4.aa.net (s3c2p4.aa.net [204.157.220.152]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22247 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:29:59 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-ID: <199602091829.KAA22247@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 3799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:29:27 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com At 05:22 AM 2/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hmm..."idiots in biology"? >Darn; maybe I should stop majoring in biology because of that. That broad >generalization may mean something to me! no, not stop mayoring in biology. you should only be offended or put off if you are in biology and think that physics and electronics is something only other people need to do. then you really should be goaded. that is the reason for the remark. zen masters believe in hitting unaware people on the head with stick to wake them up so alligator won't sneak up and bite their ass. study biology AND have an open curious mind to the people doing energy studies related to biological entities > >> I do believe that the blind application of microwaves to living cellular >> structures for heating purposes is PRETTY STUPID. The idiots in biology >> (who basicly see the world chemically and mechanically and are highly >> resistant to the understanding of electrical/electronic phenomenon in all >> matter at all times affecting its moment to moment characteristics) do not >> comprehend nor deal with dna as a the CRYSTAL which it essentially is, or >> rather, family of crystalline structures, considering rna, etc. This >> crystalline structure OBVIOUSLY has resonance attributes and these are >> absolutely going to be affected by EM AND/OR ELECTRICAL STIMULATION. > >No, general chemistry stopped being a prerequisite for biology quite >recently, apparently. Never mind that the fields of biochemistry or >biophysics probably deal quite intimately with organic molecules to begin >with, spending more time on the molecules than most others; never mind >that molecular genetics is intimately intertwined with the >effects that mutagens have on organisms on a long term basis... >Electrophoresis could not POSSIBLY have anything to do with genetic >material, ESPECIALLY when one is performing genetic analysis... >That out of the way... >Microwaves are everywhere, particularly in cellular phone towers. >Needless to say, something spewing out energy on a regular basis for >decades is something worth investigating. Last official report was that >there was no harmful side effects. Bull. Anyone have anything >constructive to say, rather than rhetoric, conjecture, and idle speculation? >Anyone have any solid SCIENTIFIC data? Hard to procure on human >subjects ( long term studies being hard to quantify, although one can only >draw lines of correlation instead of causality, seeing that nobody >bothered to check over the decades; gee, no foresight on anybody's part; >didn't we all see cellular phones three decades ago? ), anything on other >experimental data? > > Sincerely. > Quentin Holte. > ( aka Charles Choi. ) > > You are all the Buddha. > - Last words > of Buddha. > > If you see the Buddha, > kill him. > - Zen proverb. hard hard hard to do. takes institutional programs to handle the big money involved in long term stats. typically can't really get conclusive studying people cases because of the lack of true double blind control. it all ends up being squishy inferred stuff. only way to overcome the squish is with truly massive amounts of money for big statistical databases. one way out is cellular culture study in labs. but how many biologists want to play with electrons and batteries and lasers? hardly any, it seems. sure would be neat if some bio weirds would step up to the frng or vortex bar and talk with some of our electro weirds. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 12 16:14:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA13259 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA13225 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id TAA19980 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:12:18 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.787 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602130012.TAA19980@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: where? To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freng) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:12:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Where is every one? -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 05:18:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA00254 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 05:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA00245 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 05:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.788 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacsz26180; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacsz28557; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:15:28 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824228143; Tue, 13 Feb 96 08:12:06 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 08:12:06 EDT Encoding: 42 Text Message-Id: <9601138242.AA824228143@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: scalar theory and detector designs. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi there, I started working with the Bendini device, and I tried to see if scalar are generated. I built the neon detector and I was able to observe some noise. However, I wasn't sure if they are scalars. I have a question: If scalar are being generated for example with a caduceus coil, at some frequency, and I use the Neon detector, what will I see? Will I see the signal plus the noise? in the neon detector? I'll know if the Bendini device produces scalars if I have seen the production of the before. At this point, the only thing I can see is pikes decribed by Rick Monteverde. Has anybody used a Neon detector? What am I supposed to see? Thanks for your attention Ismael Flores floresi@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Re: scalar theory and detector designs. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/07/96 01:52 PM As to better detectors, I have had good success with Neon tube based detectors, and understand that KeelyNet has a construction project file on this type of design. While not familiar with the specifics of that design, it may well be a good step up from the Hodowanec design. (The circuit I used was simply a neon tube in series with a current limiting resistor and a variable voltage source. Any "signals" were recovered from the noise generated in the neon plasma by coupling any AC signals through a capacitor connected to the neon tube to limiting resistor connection. These were then amplified externally. This simple circuit must be shielded to electrostatic and magnetic fields, as well as to light falling onto the neon tube. Long period "waves" of higher noise amplitude were apparent, along with some other activity while the neon tube was biased just under it's critical turn on point, with a series current between 50 and 100 ua.) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 05:23:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA19726 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from acad.suffolk.edu (acad.suffolk.edu [192.80.92.251]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA19564 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.789 From: lee02016@acad.suffolk.edu Received: by acad.suffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA45728; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:22:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:20:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > In a ( distantly ) related point, my father has a product from China that > is essentially a thermos bottle that "magnetizes" the water; at least > that's what the print on the box the bottle came in said. I do know > that the water does taste differently afterwards. The print mentioned > before states that "magnetizing" the water ( I put "magnetizing" in > quotes because although I'm sure the bottle has magnetic metal inside, I > am not 100% sure ) has reputed physical benefits. Could you give us the name of the product? And the address of the place he got it from? I would appreciate it very much. I would like to try one. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 05:27:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA14126 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA13999 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA19981; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:47:17 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA07755; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:44:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.790 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing In-Reply-To: <199602111915.LAA12096@mail.eskimo.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: (Original message deleted) I believe electrons pair due to their being 2-spin entities. An example of 2-spin would be this: (or is it 1/2 spin?) Imagine a planet a lot like Earth. Only if you flew all the way around it, you would find yourself not where you started, but in a different, possibly unknown country ... and in a time zone 24 hours different from where you started. Looking up in the sky you might see different stars as well. You'd have to continue flying around the planet one more time to get back where you started. It could be that as an electron spins 360' it disappears from our dimension, perhaps entering the "virtual" or "imaginary" phase, and then as it rotates again it returns to the "material" or "real" phase. The rotation would only take a small integer number of planktimes, (something proportional to the square of the orbital number). When an electron is "gone to wherever", another can occupy it's space. This effect also seems to resemble to me the characteristic of waves to have two distinct phase components, that is sine and cosine. This can be used to transmit and later separate two modulated carriers on the same frequency. These phases are often called "real" and "imaginary". cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 05:45:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA14027 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA13908 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA19981; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:47:17 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA07755; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:44:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.791 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing In-Reply-To: <199602111915.LAA12096@mail.eskimo.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: (Original message deleted) I believe electrons pair due to their being 2-spin entities. An example of 2-spin would be this: (or is it 1/2 spin?) Imagine a planet a lot like Earth. Only if you flew all the way around it, you would find yourself not where you started, but in a different, possibly unknown country ... and in a time zone 24 hours different from where you started. Looking up in the sky you might see different stars as well. You'd have to continue flying around the planet one more time to get back where you started. It could be that as an electron spins 360' it disappears from our dimension, perhaps entering the "virtual" or "imaginary" phase, and then as it rotates again it returns to the "material" or "real" phase. The rotation would only take a small integer number of planktimes, (something proportional to the square of the orbital number). When an electron is "gone to wherever", another can occupy it's space. This effect also seems to resemble to me the characteristic of waves to have two distinct phase components, that is sine and cosine. This can be used to transmit and later separate two modulated carriers on the same frequency. These phases are often called "real" and "imaginary". cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 05:55:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA14684 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com (ix13.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA14582 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA26258; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:40:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:40:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199602121440.GAA26258@ix13.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.792 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: fnrg: Whitaker To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 2/12/96 I am searching for books, articles and references by Whitaker. Especially those regarding his eather and electrodynamic theories. Any assistance will be most appreciated. Sincerly, RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 08:46:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA00968 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00926 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.793 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602131645.IAA00926@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 13 Feb 1996 11:16:06 EDT Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FR>> In a ( distantly ) related point, my father has a product from China that FR>> is essentially a thermos bottle that "magnetizes" the water; at least FR>> that's what the print on the box the bottle came in said. I do know FR>> that the water does taste differently afterwards. The print mentioned FR>> before states that "magnetizing" the water ( I put "magnetizing" in FR>> quotes because although I'm sure the bottle has magnetic metal inside, I FR>> am not 100% sure ) has reputed physical benefits. FR>Could you give us the name of the product? And the address of the place FR>he got it from? I would appreciate it very much. I would like to try one. You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. (215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the check. I have been totally satisified! John Draper Greenville, SC From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 13 15:58:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA20581 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com (dub-img-6.compuserve.com [198.4.9.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA20469 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA06657; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:55:27 -0500 Date: 13 Feb 96 18:53:29 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.794 From: Mark Naylor <100732.1074@compuserve.com> To: "(unknown)" Subject: Re: fnrg: Bajak Time Travel Device: Please repost. Message-ID: <960213235328_100732.1074_EHV46-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Could someone on this list please repost the Bajak Time Travel Device article as I have lost all posts between Feb 7th and 10th. Thank you Mark Naylor From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 05:56:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA01267 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dewey.mindlink.net (dewey.mindlink.net [204.174.16.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA01231 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from line205.nwm.mindlink.net by dewey.mindlink.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #16) id m0tmNsR-0004bqC; Tue, 13 Feb 96 08:46 PST Message-Id: X-Sender: Byrun_Fox@pop.mindlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:13:43 -0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.795 From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: scalar theory and detector designs. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > dear fellow enthusiasts; Has anyone of you ever built a scalar transmitter and reciever. One that could actually transmit information and recieve it based on scalar theory. I would love to hear from you. Take care, Byrun in Van. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 05:56:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA25844 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com (dub-img-6.compuserve.com [198.4.9.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA25698 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA23074; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:58:49 -0500 Date: 13 Feb 96 13:57:35 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.796 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: scalar theory... Message-ID: <960213185734_76216.2421_HHB43-3@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Ismael - One thing I didn't do that I need to do for the Bedini device and other such experiments is build a solid shield box with both conductive (copper or aluminum) and magnetic (steel) shielding. I just used a grounded wrapping of aluminum foil before. I also need to find a good detector plan. What do you think about simply using capacitors in a shielded container? If you find they have picked up some charge after being exposed for a time to expected scalar effects, and show no similar charge for a similar period with the device off or aimed away from the capacitor, that could be an indication of something. Of course, that doesn't let you directly observe any signal in real time though. If you have any luck finding and building a reliable detector, please post about it here. Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 06:01:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA23800 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23744 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id NAA25407 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:49:40 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:53:03 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.797 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the house. > It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it lessens soap >scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not believe it would work >when I first bought it, and I had the distributor hold my check for 90 >days. After 10 days I could tell a difference, and I told the >distributor to go ahead and deposit the check. I have been totally >satisified! > John Draper > Greenville, SC Does anyone know how or why this works? R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 06:03:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA06072 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05890 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:54:36 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.798 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA04481; Tue, 13 Feb 96 14:47:55 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA824251955; Tue, 13 Feb 96 14:23:25 EST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 14:23:25 EST Message-Id: <9601138242.AA824251955@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the >check. I have been totally satisified! Has the water softening action been measured (i.e. with a DH test kit), or only observed? Cheap DH test kits can be had at local aquarium shops, but you would have to have measurements taken before installation of course. Interesting! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 06:06:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA18479 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA18386 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:18:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602131818.KAA18386@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:41:25 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.799 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >the same frequency. These phases are often called "real" and "imaginary". > I think the imaginary part, like imaginary numbers (when taking the square root of a negative number for example) are simply stopgap measures to get through a place that doesn't otherwise make sense. Certainly other dimensions as you mention are one of the candidates, but I always like to look first for a real world explanation that standard science might have overlooked, and one that still works without too many unknowns (unkowns such as what is in those other dimensions). As in Free Energy, which looks free until we understand where it is coming from, if our understanding is correct, I think there exists no need for imaginary numbers or realms. I maintain a belief that everything is a subset of the three dimensions we know of, if we dig to fine enough levels. Wormholes, for example, suggested as some kind of magical porthole to distant travel, if so, must have an explanation within three dimensional understandings, IMHO. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 06:09:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA27119 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA26429 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.800 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA17528; Tue, 13 Feb 96 11:05:45 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA824238634; Tue, 13 Feb 96 11:04:17 EST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 11:04:17 EST Message-Id: <9601138242.AA824238634@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: scalars and detectors. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A >I started working with the Bendini device, and I tried to see if >scalar are generated. I built the neon detector and I was able to >observe some noise. However, I wasn't sure if they are scalars. I >have a question: If scalar are being generated for example with a >caduceus coil, at some frequency, and I use the Neon detector, what >will I see? Will I see the signal plus the noise? in the neon >detector? I'll know if the Bendini device produces scalars if I have >seen the production of the before. At this point, the only thing I >can see is pikes decribed by Rick Monteverde. Has anybody used a >Neon detector? What am I supposed to see? The Neon detector will produce noise along with any detected signals, this is an important factor in it's operation. With low levels of incident signals, the detected signals may be nothing more than a strong statistical ordering of the noise produced. Such cases need automated signal analysis to be sure you are detecting anything. In the case of the Bedini device, things are much simpler however. First, make sure that the neon tube is well shielded. As a test, try transmitting with a hand held CB radio in close proximity to the detector. The CB should not effect the detector, assuming that a good antenna is being used. Once we are sure that electromagnetic signals are not effecting the detector, monitor the Bedini device, and while observing the detected signals on an oscilloscope (need not be a good one, a real junker will do here) add layers of sheet steel between the Bedini device and the detector. If you see a strong drop in signal levels from the detector, then we either have EM leakage (see above test with a CB or other transmitter) of a compound signal with both scalar and EM components. (this happens, and can produce really odd results) If there is little or no change in detected signal levels, repeat this test with grounded sheets of magnetic metal, such as sheet steel. If we still see the spike tops at close to their normal amplitude, and we did not detect EM leakage, have a knowledgeable experimental physicist or part time mad scientist recheck your measurements and tests, and claim probable scalar detection. Look for proper grounding, etc. Be methodical and to a degree skeptical, play the devil's advocate with your own experiments. You can now run tests with the Bedini device and/or the detector placed inside (separate) Faraday cages, and also tests with the detector and signal source at different electrostatic levels, etc. To produce a test scalar pulse, for detector testing, I recommend a capacitor discharge circuit that dumps 50 or so joules of energy into a non inductive load, such as a bifilar coil connected in the parallel out of phase condition. I often use a simple SCR circuit that works quite well for this application. Be sure that the pulse generator fully cancels the magnetic pulse from the discharge be measuring the output from a standard coil on an oscilloscope as the capacitor is discharged through the SCR and noninductive load (scalar translator). After long debate and due thought, I have concluded that I will openly share the plans for a more advanced scalar detector. I will take the appropriate sections from an unfinished manuscript and construction plans, and make these available to Bill B for inclusion on his web site. This will take me some time to get together and out to Bill, so please be patient. (for some few weeks, after that, bug me if it's not done, OK?) It's long time that people had access to devices that will show what is and is not real. Hard cold facts are long over due. I will look into making one critical material needed for this detector available to interested builders. Fair warning, this is not as easy to build as many other projects, due to the mechanical requirements for shielding and lack of microphonics, etc. It should be well within the capabilities of most aspiring "her docktors" though. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 06:34:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA01948 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 06:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA01921 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.801 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacww26904; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacww07176; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:34:26 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824319254; Wed, 14 Feb 96 09:32:52 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 09:32:52 EDT Encoding: 24 Text Message-Id: <9601148243.AA824319254@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: scalar theory and detector designs. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On a sequence of e-mail messages in compuserve or in a transcript of an interview with P. Flanagan, he describes a system that uses scalars to ttrtansmit information. He said he used in his dolphin project. He describes the antenna, and the use of a transistor in "starving mode". I haven't' built it yet, due to lack of time. Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: scalar theory and detector designs. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/14/96 09:21 AM > dear fellow enthusiasts; Has anyone of you ever built a scalar transmitter and reciever. One that could actually transmit information and recieve it based on scalar theory. I would love to hear from you. Take care, Byrun in Van. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 07:28:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA10959 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA10881 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.803 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA01145; Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:21:18 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA824322397; Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:24:40 EST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:24:40 EST Message-Id: <9601148243.AA824322397@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Scalar Detector Plans (to be released) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There is a great deal of interest in scalar detector plans on the list server. I have stated that I will release plans for such a detector as soon as practical. I have to edit some text, and make sure the schematics match the text, etc. I'm pulling this information from an unfinished manuscript, and this will take some time, due to my creative organizational skills. (Ahem) >Has anyone of you ever built a scalar transmitter and receiver. One >that could actually transmit information and receive it based on >scalar theory. >if you have any luck finding and building a reliable detector, please >post about it here. Yep, that's what it is. I will include a crude transmitter as well, but just studying the types of signals that the detector produces alone will be quite eye opening. In fact, the fact that any signals come out of the device is cause for concern from the conventional community. (I've done this, it's great to see people try to figure out how the thing does what it does!) I will get the text file sent to Bill B, and CAD drawings scanned and also transmitted. I will make hard copies of the schematics available to interested parties that do not have graphic interfaces. (shame on your service providers) >What is the one critical material, BTW? It's a obsolete form of silicon steel, which by today's manufacturing standards is totally unsuitable for it's original application as a magnetic core material in electronic transformers (pre 1950's). I have samples of this material, and have a source for a limited supply. I am making arrangements to be able to provide this material to builders of the device. If I cannot locate a supply for builders, I'll tell you how to find suitable material and test it for proper operation. This old form of silicon steel is important due to it's highly non-linear magnetic properties, which are critical to the operation of the detector. This property is expressed as the Barkhausen effect, and is discussed on volume 2 of the Feynman Lectures, which inspired the design of the device. The detector is therefor known as the Berkhausen Effect Scalar detector, and is an original invention. Rather than waste time giving an overview of the device now, I would prefer to spend some time getting the dusty old files ready to distribute to you all. Please do not send "me too's" yet, nor over the list server. I'll have to check my on line notes, but I think the Barkhausen effect design is just over ten years old by now. Once I have the files ready, the drawings scanned and off to Bill, I will post an announcement to that effect, and collect the addresses of those needing hardcopies of the CAD drawings. Now from time to time, some people have observed that my time management skills bare a striking resemblance to my creative filing systems, so should the middle of next month roll around, and the device is not on Bill's web site, ring my chimes until you do get the design, please. It's been far too long without a benchmark detector design to start others tinkering and improving, etc. Mark your calendars, and prepare to flame me to toasty bits if it's not there for you all by the deadline I set for myself. Thank you all for the interest. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 07:37:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA12686 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA12646 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:36:42 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.804 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacxa15864; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacxa18831; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:36:32 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824323006; Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:31:24 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:31:24 EDT Encoding: 77 Text Message-Id: <9601148243.AA824323006@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: scalars and detectors. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank very much for your answer, and I'm glad you decided to share your plans. Let me post a little bit more about the experiment. The neon detector was fired at approximately 72 volts. Once conducting, I reduced the voltage to have it run in "starvation" mode. The brightness of the neon light decreased up to the point where just the tip produced some glow. ( One electrode was producing the light). further drops in voltage will cause to turn off. Once setting a minimum voltage, using a pot I reduced the current going on. I reached the point where the light would turn on and off. On the oscilloscope I could see the signals similar to transients. I would adjust to the point where the bulb would stay always on. When the neon is fully conducting (not in starvation mode), the noise in the detector was almost nonexistent. Decreasing the voltage/current would produce some noise. At the point of starvation, there was a noise signal. Now, on the Bendini device, I shielded in a aluminum box (Radio shack). I had observed that the device would produce a lo t of interference (TV was on with antenna in room) and it would be gre ater when more voltage was applied) So, risking the life on my motor, I increased the voltage to 20 volts, and hope the motor would stand it. Before shielding the motor, I saw in the os connected to the detec tor that large pikes of noise were produced. I proceeded to shield th e device, and the interference in TV disappeared. I checked othe r channels and make sure that there was not interference at least in channels where there was programming. I set the detector in line with the box containing the motor, and saw noise not very different fr om the one I had seen before. I move closer the detector to the box, and at one point, the neon would turn on and off, specially if the base of the neon lam was closer to the box. I thought I had someth ing, I thought that it could be to the effect o a magnetic field, so I put a magnet close to the device to see if I could the on-off effect. No it didn't, so I move it back to the box, but I could not reproduce the on-off effect again. I saw some noise in the oscilloscope, but when the detector was almost touching the box. When it wasn't that close, I could see some noise, but it's hard to tell if it was different from the regular noise. Then I was wondering how sensitive is the detector and if somebody had used it. That's why I asked about the use of the detector. Could it detect scalars to some "reasonable" distance? Now, going to the Bendini device, let's suppose that the device produces pikes of scalars with no form (like a scalar random noise generator). So then I would expected to see some noise superimposed to the normal neon lamp noise. Now if the Bendini device produce some train of pulses, the lamp would present some kind of train of pulses with noise. Then is when I thought, I should produce some test of scalar pulse, see how if I can detected, and then decide if what I can see in the bedini device are scalars. Before doing that I'll follow your advice and I'll report the results. Thank you very much Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Re: scalars and detectors. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/13/96 11:04 AM The Neon detector will produce noise along with any detected signals, this is an important factor in it's operation. With low levels of incident signals, the detected signals may be nothing more than a strong statistical ordering of the noise produced. ... In the case of the Bedini device, things are much simpler however. ... more... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 07:52:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA15264 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA15244 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:51:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.805 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacxb29194; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQacxb21566; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:51:27 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824323903; Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:45:36 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 10:45:36 EDT Encoding: 73 Text Message-Id: <9601148243.AA824323903@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have an idea about how to test the effect but I would like some feedback to see if it does make sense. Prepare two solutions of agar for bacteria growing, one with the regular procedure, that is boiling the water, dissolve the nutrient and keep boiling for some minutes. The other would be using the microwave. Not to heat the water, but to boil the nutrient for some minutes, making sure that there is a interaction between the nutrient and the microwaves. Then deposit the nutrient in petrii dishes and inoculate them with yeast. And then wait to see how the bacteria developed (maybe have several generations) . Does this make sense? Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/11/96 10:53 PM >When I found out that there was even a chance that EM fields might be >dangerous to one's health, yes, I have to say I was disturbed. You see >electronics all around you everyday, and never give them a thought; who >knows what long term effects electric fields and electromagnetic >radiation may have on a person? I'm not saying I'm paranoid over it, but >the fact is that electronics are everywhere in the cities I've lived in, >and that we should start looking into this as a new discipline within >environmental science ( which has only recently [ geological time ] >started to consider the impact of the environment on biology ). There is >far too much research that needs to be done that I think most people have >not even begun to think about. ( Scary. ) I did an experiment last year and the year before involving fruit flies and Electro-magnetic radiation. The data is in some storage box, but I do remember the results. The fruit flies near the field emmisions died in hours, days for the ones slightly further back from the emissions. and in the second experiment, groups of ten males and felmales were rendered infertle. Granted these are fruit flies, but we have no real idea what kind of effect these things have. more research needs to be done. It frightens me too. P.S. I would like some information on where to get the schematic for the time travel device, but could not find the orginal sender of the offer, I don't mean to cloud the list with this but could someone _please_ tell me who to contact about this. I appreacate your help and patience. Sincerely, Courtney C. Campbell... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Courtney C. Campbell * * Campbellcc@www.hendrix.edu * * Http://www.hendrix.edu/homes/stu/campbellcc/ * * "There are four sides to every chessboard" * * * * "I am not mad. * * I am intrested in freedom." * * -James Douglas Morrison * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Buckaroo Banzai * =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Matter is plastic in the face of mind -Tractates Cryptica Scriptura Phillip Kindred Dick/VALIS End of line... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 10:29:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA12418 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA12320 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:27:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602141827.KAA12320@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:05:36 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.806 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: where? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:12 PM 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >Where is every one? >-- >Andrew Cantino >Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. >gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html > > > On vortex-L@mail.eskimo.com quite possibly. *Nobody is perfect, and one's spouse ain't exactly nobody* From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 14 22:16:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA01025 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00608 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:12:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602150612.WAA00608@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:36:20 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.807 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Magnetic water soft Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:23 PM 2/13/96 EST, you wrote: > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. > >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the > >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it > >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not > >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the > >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a > >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the > >check. I have been totally satisified! > Wouldn't some neodymium magnets taped onto the water pipe do the trick too? Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 05:23:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA08484 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (root@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA08354 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id PAA07272 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:22:24 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.808 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602142022.PAA07272@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: fnrg: scalar theory... To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:22:23 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960213185734_76216.2421_HHB43-3@CompuServe.COM> from "Rick Monteverde" at Feb 13, 96 01:57:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm new to this list, can some one please tell me what scalar theory realy is? It would help me understand the messages I get. -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 05:24:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA01889 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (root@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.62.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01484 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jalotosk@localhost) by sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) id MAA16704; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:03:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:03:22 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.809 From: John Alexander Lotoski To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Scalar EM Theory. In-Reply-To: <9601148243.AA824323006@westatpo.westat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi. All the talk about scalar EM theory has me curious. I'm not by any means a physicist, but someday i hopefully will be. Unfortunatly, i'm not very well versed with classical EM theory (i've only taken one course covering coulombic attraction, e-fields, potential, gausses law, Kirchoffs laws, AC/DC RLC circuits, and some other simple things). Reading T. Beardons articles sound very fascinating and aside from the obvious implications, his work is far beyond my understanding. In fact his work is so far beyond me (hehe) i'm confused as to which part of classical physics is in error. I.e. You guys are saying something about detecting scalars (potentials?) with equipment, and how this would be in contradiction to classical EM. Why? Since potentials are closely related to the E-field (Va - Vb = (integral [b->a]) [-E(dot)dr] ), why is this a big deal??? Any explanation would be greatly appreciated... Also, one other thing. Bearden refers to the fact the Maxwells original work was done using quaternion mathematics, and that when Gibbs & Heaviside converted to vector calculus the electrogravitation component of the EM theory was lost. However, when i signed out "A Classical Treatise on EM" (or whatever that was called--i can't really remember right now) by J. Maxwell, all of the mathematics (that i saw) was done in vector or regular calculus. There was only about a 2 sentance thing that said anything about quaternion math. Something like a quaternion is defined as: q = w + ax + by + cz where q is the quaternion, w, a, b, c are scalars and x, y, z comprise the orthogonal component system. So where were the quaternions that Maxwell did? What works are they in? Or did i just miss them, or not recognize them in the book? Thanx for any information in advance John Lotoski From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 05:27:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA00981 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00895 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA23090; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:32:54 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA14680; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:30:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:30:10 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.810 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing In-Reply-To: <199602131818.KAA18386@mail.eskimo.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > > >the same frequency. These phases are often called "real" and "imaginary". > > > > I think the imaginary part, like imaginary numbers (when taking the > square root of a negative number for example) are simply stopgap > measures to get through a place that doesn't otherwise make sense. Certainly > other dimensions as you mention are one of the candidates, but I > always like to look first for a real world explanation that standard > science might have overlooked, and one that still works without > too many unknowns (unkowns such as what is in those other dimensions). > As in Free Energy, which looks free until we understand where > it is coming from, if our understanding is correct, I think there exists > no need for imaginary numbers or realms. I maintain a belief that > everything is a subset of the three dimensions we know of, if we dig > to fine enough levels. Wormholes, for example, suggested as some > kind of magical porthole to distant travel, if so, must have an > explanation within three dimensional understandings, IMHO. > I used to, but no longer think, that imaginary numbers are arbitrarily defined. In complex-plane geometry, a complex number represents two dimensions (the real and imaginary) whereas a real number cannot represent more than one dimension. The imaginary number need not represent an unobservable direction (such as the "fifth dimension"), it can represent velocity, or north-south, or whatever. Superstring physicists say that the universe has a simple and elegant pattern when mapped in 10 or 26 dimensions, and this pattern has sections that represent all known forces. I'll take their word for it, but they are not saying that those other dimensions are places to visit. Free energy may have some interesting questions concerning "mapping": For example, the Moray device (or any other fnrg device) may not give constant output. The output may be proportional to the output of a transmitting device (if there is one), but MAYBE it doesn't relate to [distance from the transmitter]. Maybe it's effected by gravity or motion instead! Or maybe it just fluctuates at random. The questions will be: What does affect the strength of the output ? Where does the energy come from? How does the energy get to the machine? A scalar detector may give us an idea of where scalar sources are, in the same way a compass tells us where the north and south poles (and other magnets) are. If scalar energy does not diminish with distance, it will NOT be possible to scalar map the earth, we may instead be mapping some unseen realm, measuring distance through hyperspace to some cosmic common ground plane, some bottomless pit that contains the complement of the entire universe's energy. cc/impuse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 05:40:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA11758 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11722 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c2p0.aa.net (s1c2p0.aa.net [204.157.220.180]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06454 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:24:00 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602141824.KAA06454@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:23:28 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.811 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: For a blind thrust into the issue, it makes sense. But first I would want to do an exhaustive literature search and have conversations with researchers at GTE. These kind of experiments may have been run and written up. In fact, I would be astounded if they havent, but I am not in the life sciences, so why am I to say? At 10:45 AM 2/14/96 EDT, you wrote: > I have an idea about how to test the effect but I would like some > feedback to see if it does make sense. > Prepare two solutions of agar for bacteria growing, one with the > regular procedure, that is boiling the water, dissolve the nutrient > and keep boiling for some minutes. The other would be using the > microwave. Not to heat the water, but to boil the nutrient for some > minutes, making sure that there is a interaction between the nutrient > and the microwaves. Then deposit the nutrient in petrii dishes and > inoculate them with yeast. And then wait to see how the bacteria > developed (maybe have several generations) . Does this make sense? > > Ismael Flores > > floresi1@westat.com > > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. >Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail >Date: 02/11/96 10:53 PM > > >>When I found out that there was even a chance that EM fields might be >>dangerous to one's health, yes, I have to say I was disturbed. You see >>electronics all around you everyday, and never give them a thought; who >>knows what long term effects electric fields and electromagnetic >>radiation may have on a person? I'm not saying I'm paranoid over it, but >>the fact is that electronics are everywhere in the cities I've lived in, >>and that we should start looking into this as a new discipline within >>environmental science ( which has only recently [ geological time ] >>started to consider the impact of the environment on biology ). There is >>far too much research that needs to be done that I think most people have >>not even begun to think about. ( Scary. ) > >I did an experiment last year and the year before involving fruit flies and >Electro-magnetic radiation. The data is in some storage box, but I do >remember the results. The fruit flies near the field emmisions died in >hours, days for the ones slightly further back from the emissions. and in >the second experiment, groups of ten males and felmales were rendered >infertle. Granted these are fruit flies, but we have no real idea what kind >of effect these things have. more research needs to be done. It frightens me >too. > >P.S. I would like some information on where to get the schematic for the >time travel device, but could not find the orginal sender of the offer, I >don't mean to cloud the list with this but could someone _please_ tell me >who to contact about this. I appreacate your help and patience. > > >Sincerely, > >Courtney C. Campbell... > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >* Courtney C. Campbell * >* Campbellcc@www.hendrix.edu * >* Http://www.hendrix.edu/homes/stu/campbellcc/ * >* "There are four sides to every chessboard" * >* * >* "I am not mad. * >* I am intrested in freedom." * >* -James Douglas Morrison * >*---------------------------------------------------------------------* >* "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Buckaroo Banzai * >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Matter is plastic in the face of mind > -Tractates Cryptica Scriptura > Phillip Kindred Dick/VALIS >End of line... > > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 05:51:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA20683 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 05:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com (ix3.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA20598 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 05:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA13051; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 05:50:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 05:50:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199602151350.FAA13051@ix3.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.812 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: > >(Original message deleted) > > I believe electrons pair due to their being 2-spin entities. An >example of 2-spin would be this: (or is it 1/2 spin?) . . . > It could be that as an electron spins 360' it disappears from our >dimension, perhaps entering the "virtual" or "imaginary" phase, and >then as it rotates again it returns to the "material" or "real" >phase. The rotation would only take a small integer number of >planktimes, (something proportional to the square of the orbital number). >When an electron is "gone to wherever", another can occupy it's >space. . . . >cc/impulse 2/15/96 Chris, You are corrrect about electron spin in electrons and fermions in general. Fermions (all have mass) occupy discrete physical (quantum) states which cannot overlap. This is called the Pauli exclusion principle. Fermion spins have s=n/2 where n is an odd whole number. Ex. s(fermion) 1/2,3/2,5/2.... If n is an odd number then particls are fermions. If n is zero or even then the particle is a boson. Ex. s(boson) 0,1,2,3... Bosons are friendly to each other and readily overlap physical (quantum) states. Bosons are massless particles. An EM wave is a good example. An unlimited amount of fermions can be (Ex. light photons) may be put into a box where as a finite quantity of fermions (Ex. electrons) may be squeezed into this same box. If a boson is rotated 360 degrees it remains unchanged. If a fermion is rotated 360 degrees it reverses it's sign, but if rotated 720 degrees it remains unchanged. These particles are constantly naturally being exchanged on a quantum level. Anyone see a connection to the Two Slit Experiment? RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 08:14:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA27703 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA27610 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rowan.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA10118; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:13:53 -0500 Received: by rowan.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA03723; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:13:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:13:21 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.813 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft In-Reply-To: <199602150612.WAA00608@mail.eskimo.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > At 02:23 PM 2/13/96 EST, you wrote: > > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. > > >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the > > >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it > > >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not > > >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the > > >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a > > >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the > > >check. I have been totally satisified! > > > > Wouldn't some neodymium magnets taped onto the water pipe > do the trick too? > Maybe this works by magnetizing iron and other ferromagnetic minerals in the water, causing them to precipitate or stick together. Besides, iron is what causes water stains. It probably would have no effect on lime or sulfur unless the magnetizing device also passes electric current through the water. cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 09:26:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA12407 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12303 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from snail.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id JAA25602; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:23:06 -0800 Received: from UK.Sun.COM (sunuk) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19608; Thu, 15 Feb 96 09:23:02 PST Received: from wycsun (wycsun.UK.Sun.COM) by UK.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk110) id AA18755; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:24:13 GMT Received: from stratagem.uk.sun.com by wycsun (5.0/SMI-SVR4-se.fkk201) id AA26286; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:24:12 GMT Received: by stratagem.uk.sun.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07036; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:24:07 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:24:07 GMT X-UIDL: 834952770.814 From: Chris.Baker@uk.sun.com (Chris Baker - SunSoft - Principal Systems Engineer) Message-Id: <9602151724.AA07036@stratagem.uk.sun.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I don't know about the iron ions, but scum/scale/hardness is caused by dissolved Calcium ions. In the UK I have seen magnetic devices sold in plumbing stores - basically just a strong pair of magnets that clamp over the water pipe. Also in my office, we have an "electronic" water softener installed. Basically it is a little box that drives a signal (approx 100KHZ I think at a few milliamps) through a coil wrapped around the water pipe. (Don't ask me if this is a scalar device :-)!!) The salesman showed me graphs of the AC waveforms, scanning electron microscope photos of water scale particle before/after treatment and results of hardness testing (chemical assay of some kind). The results were very convincing - I guess I should have asked for copies. Apparently noone fully understands why it works (but I guess that hasn't stopped people from patenting it). Just FYI Chris {} From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 16:41 GMT 1996 {} Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:13:21 -0500 (EST) {} From: Christopher Comeaux {} To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com {} Cc: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com {} Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft {} Mime-Version: 1.0 {} {} {} {} On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: {} {} > At 02:23 PM 2/13/96 EST, you wrote: {} > > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. {} > > >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the {} > > >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it {} > > >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not {} > > >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the {} > > >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a {} > > >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the {} > > >check. I have been totally satisified! {} > > {} > {} > Wouldn't some neodymium magnets taped onto the water pipe {} > do the trick too? {} > {} {} Maybe this works by magnetizing iron and other ferromagnetic minerals {} in the water, causing them to precipitate or stick together. Besides, {} iron is what causes water stains. It probably would have no effect on {} lime or sulfur unless the magnetizing device also passes electric {} current through the water. {} {} cc/impulse {} From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 09:34:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA14104 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA14033 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipe14.h1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id RAA13540; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:28:44 GMT Received: by pipe14.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA29782; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:24:18 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:24:18 GMT Message-Id: <199602151724.RAA29782@pipe14.h1.usa.pipeline.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. X-UIDL: 834952770.815 From: mpred@usa.pipeline.com (Ted Daniels) X-PipeUser: mpred X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Ted Daniels) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Feb 14, 1996 10:45:36, 'FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com' wrote: >The other would be using the >microwave. Not to heat the water, but to boil the nutrient for some >minutes, making sure that there is a interaction between the nutrient >and the microwaves. I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but you can't put liquid in a microwave and turn it on without heating the liquid. -- Ted Daniels, Ph.D. Director Millennium Watch Institute 800/666-4694 mpred@usa.pipeline.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 13:07:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA23422 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.7.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA23355 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA03071; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:04:46 -0500 Date: 15 Feb 96 16:03:56 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.816 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: scalar theory... Message-ID: <960215210355_76216.2421_HHB34-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Andrew - >I'm new to this list, can some one please tell me what scalar theory >realy is? It would help me understand the messages I get. -- I wish I knew Andrew, I'm sure trying to find out myself. As far as I can tell, other than the theories of Bearden and others, the one real benchtop effect that seems to set "scalar" apart as a phenomena is it's alleged capability to penetrate conventional electromagnetic shielding. A shield setup that can block EM emissions from, for instance, a CB radio, but fails to block pulses from a device designed to generate scalar signals, does tend to suggest something special. But I'd feel a little better about this if I had a better understanding of EM shielding and EM antenna and detection systems. I'm suspicious that there's some "get around" in there that allows certain frequencies or pulses to pass the shielding and that it's really something ordinary. But I don't know. A good transmitter and especially a detector for scalar testing would help a great deal in experiments, that's why people such as myself are excited at the prospect of the release of Shannon's plans for just such a device. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 14:57:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA11893 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11865 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:57:19 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.817 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA05841; Thu, 15 Feb 96 17:51:00 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA824435805; Thu, 15 Feb 96 17:51:18 EST Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 17:51:18 EST Message-Id: <9601158244.AA824435805@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Scalar theory... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I'm new to this list, can someone please tell me what scalar theory >realy is? Ok, scalar theory is an extension of electromagnetic theory that describes a very different phenomena than current electromagnetic theory. Scalar theory has attempted to describe the operation of over unity devices, antigravitational technology, death rays, and just about anything else of interest to aspiring mad scientists, like we find here on freenrg-list. Some claim that scalar theory will lead the way to a working grand unification theory, as it hints at a connection between electromagnetics and gravity, as well as the nuclear forces. Scalar theory has been written about largely by Mr. T.E. Bearden, a retired physicist who has published many books on the subject over a good few years. While these works cover a lot of issues and "flaws" in conventional electromagnetic theory, little practical information on how to produce or detect these signals exists currently. There are quite a few others who prefer to do more tinkering than talking or writing. There are currently plans for two different types of scalar detectors, and a few more types of scalar production devices, or "translators" available in the public domain. Largely, these devices do not quite fill the wants of experimenters, or do not produce rock hard evidence for unusual phenomena. These existing devices also have no good benchmark for comparison to evaluate their quality of design or performance. I'm no expert in the theory, but I have tinkered for quite some time, with some apparent success. (we will soon see about this) >I'm suspicious that there's some "get around" in there that allows >certain frequencies of pulses to pass the shielding and that it's >something ordinary. Yes, such "get around" do exist. The lower the frequency of the EM waves, the harder it is to shield them. This is quite conventional. What is not conventional is for a claimed scalar detector to detect a deliberate signal while electromagnetic detectors proximate to the scalar detector cannot detect that same signal, or for a signal to be sent through several feet of steel shielding powered only by a AA battery. There are also issues of the speed of propagation and other phenomena that appear to be quite different from electromagnetic waves. Such tricks have been done, and many more as well. There is a real lack of practical information that largely prevents people from tinkering with this new technology. I hope this situation changes. Most experimenters in this area keep their cards close to their chest, as the military applications of scalar technology cause some to salivate heavily. Patents are few and far between due to possible suppression by patent secrecy laws and such. This situation appears silly to those who do not accept that scalar technology is real, and quite wise to those who do accept it as being real. The bottom line is that there has never been a release of practical information that will allow believers and skeptics alike to actually show one way or another which is the case. For this reason, my tinkering first addressed the problem of detecting scalars. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 16:54:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA02528 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02418 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c1p5.aa.net (s3c1p5.aa.net [204.157.220.145]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA05628 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:52:27 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602160052.QAA05628@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:52:30 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.818 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Frankly, I have never accepted this stuff because I have never seen even a hint of a double blind study on this stuff. I don't care about theory of why or why not. What I want is the comparison of double blind experimental results - a control series of fake magnets and a series with real magnets in real situations in real homes, with the householders not permitted to know whether they are the control. Then, I want to see samples from various points of time rigorously analyzed. Until then, I will highly suspect these are of the same type of SCAM as those ludricous little boxes you but on computer monitors to "balance the polarity"...(those people should be out and out arrested). At 11:13 AM 2/15/96 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Gary Hawkins wrote: > >> At 02:23 PM 2/13/96 EST, you wrote: >> > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. >> > >(215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the >> > >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it >> > >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not >> > >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the >> > >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a >> > >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the >> > >check. I have been totally satisified! >> > >> >> Wouldn't some neodymium magnets taped onto the water pipe >> do the trick too? >> > > Maybe this works by magnetizing iron and other ferromagnetic minerals >in the water, causing them to precipitate or stick together. Besides, >iron is what causes water stains. It probably would have no effect on >lime or sulfur unless the magnetizing device also passes electric >current through the water. > >cc/impulse > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 17:41:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA11426 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA11298 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id UAA28156 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:38:18 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.819 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602160138.UAA28156@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Scalar theory... To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:38:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9601158244.AA824435805@ccgate2.nectech.com> from "rshannon@nectech.com" at Feb 15, 96 05:51:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Where do I get plans to make a detecter? -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 19:27:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA29447 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com (ix10.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29373 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA24078; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:23:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:23:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199602160323.TAA24078@ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.820 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Electric vibration and pairing To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 2/15/96 Wall wrote: . . . >These particles are constantly naturally being exchanged on a quantum >level. Anyone see a connection to the Two Slit Experiment? . . . AHHH! Glad you asked about the connection with the two slit experiment, Mr. Shannon. Despite those, nonsensically, trying to alter experimental observations to explain their newest two slit theory, Nature really doesn't care how we explain things. Experimental observations are as they are. Our theories must coincide with experimentally observed results. Catagorically, I will state that the dual nature of light (EM, electrons, etc.) is never observed in the same experiment. We either observe a "particle mass" or a "wave". Never both in the same experiment. Never have and never will. Why does this happen? It has to do with how we set up the experimental apparatus. One configuration will detect a mass only and one detects a wave only. Neither configuration will detect both. Light (EM, electrons, etc.) is composed of fermions (particles with mass) and bosons (waves without mass). Hence, it's "dual nature". There is tremendous natural and continous interaction and particle exchange between fermions and bosons on a quantum level. Since light contains both fermions and bosons naturally, it may interact with either experimental apparatus. But, both a fermion and a boson cannot be detected in the same apparatus. It's either one or the other. Never both. Really, it's just two experiments detecting two different physical properties of light. So, again we see this is a man made distinction that we have built into our experimental apparatus. We have "tricked" ourselves into a false choice ... and Nature really doesn't give a damn. STMP RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 20:10:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA06966 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA06866 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rowan.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA02850; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:03:48 -0500 Received: by rowan.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA17404; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:03:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:03:17 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.821 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > That out of the way... > Microwaves are everywhere, particularly in cellular phone towers. > Needless to say, something spewing out energy on a regular basis for > decades is something worth investigating. Last official report was that > there was no harmful side effects. Bull. Anyone have anything > constructive to say, rather than rhetoric, conjecture, and idle speculation? > Anyone have any solid SCIENTIFIC data? Hard to procure on human > subjects ( long term studies being hard to quantify, although one can only > draw lines of correlation instead of causality, seeing that nobody > bothered to check over the decades; gee, no foresight on anybody's part; > didn't we all see cellular phones three decades ago? ), anything on other > experimental data? > > Sincerely. > Quentin Holte. Cellular Phones... They have only been around since the 80's. Before that, there were "mobile" phones which were like walkie talkies patched into the phone system (Always on the same frequency). Cell sites only transmit when you're talking on the phone. The frequency is UHF, which is just below microwaves. The power level is just a couple of watts, compared to the constant output of a single UHF-TV station. (The cellular band used to be UHF-TV channel 80.) I've noticed an increasing tendency of people to fear the smallest dangers and ignore the big ones right under their noses. Sort of like working in a plutonium refinery and worrying about getting cancer from your smoke detector. Or like the government spending money in inverse proportion to the gravity of problems. cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 20:10:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA06704 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA06581 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rowan.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA02400; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:35:37 -0500 Received: by rowan.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA17268; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:35:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:35:05 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.822 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: <199602090752.CAA15261@mail-e1b.gnn.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Paul Lamb wrote: > On 08Feb96 you mentioned that microwaves may influence the > interaction of inert gases during food preparation. My > understanding has always been that inert gases are considered > inert due to their refusal to chemically combine with other > elements (sorry, I got stuck with the classical physics > training). To this end, I cannot help but wonder how any > interaction would be possible by the application of an > electromagnetic field such as is found in a magnetron? And yes, I am not sure why, but a microwave will cause a neon tube to glow; I suspect that the electrostatic component of the EM field is ionizing it... If the noble gas is being ionized, perhaps it will be likely to react chemically. I am aware of a few noble gas compounds, which are called excimers. Argon flouride, Krypton Fluoride, Krypton Oxide, Xenon Flouride, Xenon Oxide, and Xenon Hydrate (strange). The Xenon Flouride includes XeF, XeF2, etc. These compounds are explosive since they turn from white crystalline powders to gases instantly when they decompose. I am not sure how they are made. BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 21:23:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA27183 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA27088 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id AAA14139; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:12:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:12:43 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.823 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I am not sure why, but a microwave will cause a neon tube to glow; I > suspect that the electrostatic component of the EM field is ionizing it... > If the noble gas is being ionized, perhaps it will be likely to react > chemically. I am aware of a few noble gas compounds, which are called > excimers. Argon flouride, Krypton Fluoride, Krypton Oxide, Xenon Flouride, > Xenon Oxide, and Xenon Hydrate (strange). The Xenon Flouride includes > XeF, XeF2, etc. These compounds are explosive since they turn from > white crystalline powders to gases instantly when they decompose. I am > not sure how they are made. > > BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to > eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the > tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? Basic physics at work for you. Microwaves cause the electrons 'orbiting' the atomic nucleus to jump to a higher ( quantum ) level of energy; as the electrons come back down to their lower and more stable original level of energy, they emit electromagnetic radiation in nice quantities; the everpopular quanta known as photons. The reason microwaves work so well on noble/inert gases is because, um, well, they are sort of the right 'fit' to slip into the electrons orbiting the nucleus in their shell. Sorta more complex than that, but that's the gist. No transmutation according to accepted theory. The reason why neon lights wear out is because the electrodes wear out, sort of like how the electrodes in light bulbs eventually wear out ( the little wire electrode that heats to provide the light in the light bulb in the first place ). Inert gas compounds are a 'recent' innovation in chemistry, and I would guess are not too stable due to the fact that they electrochemically 'overloaded'. God that sounds bad, but I'm REALLY not a ( physical ) chemistry major. Any more exact terms out there from any of you? Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Christopher Comeaux wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Paul Lamb wrote: > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 15 21:26:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA28119 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA27989 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id AAA14237; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:15:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:15:52 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.824 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I've noticed an increasing tendency of people to fear the smallest > dangers and ignore the big ones right under their noses. Sort of like > working in a plutonium refinery and worrying about getting cancer > from your smoke detector. Or like the government spending money in > inverse proportion to the gravity of problems. Smells like a powder keg, don't it? Or the slow decay of rems eating away at your body. God save us all. God knows the people we're not taking out of charge aren't doing it. Sorry. Politics. Please continue. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 01:48:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA26037 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA25993 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c1p0.aa.net (s3c1p0.aa.net [204.157.220.140]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA05762 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:47:44 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602160947.BAA05762@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:47:15 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.825 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:35 PM 2/9/96 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Paul Lamb wrote: > >> On 08Feb96 you mentioned that microwaves may influence the >> interaction of inert gases during food preparation. My >> understanding has always been that inert gases are considered >> inert due to their refusal to chemically combine with other >> elements (sorry, I got stuck with the classical physics >> training). To this end, I cannot help but wonder how any >> interaction would be possible by the application of an >> electromagnetic field such as is found in a magnetron? And yes, > > I am not sure why, but a microwave will cause a neon tube to glow; I >suspect that the electrostatic component of the EM field is ionizing it... > If the noble gas is being ionized, perhaps it will be likely to react >chemically. I am aware of a few noble gas compounds, which are called >excimers. Argon flouride, Krypton Fluoride, Krypton Oxide, Xenon Flouride, >Xenon Oxide, and Xenon Hydrate (strange). The Xenon Flouride includes >XeF, XeF2, etc. These compounds are explosive since they turn from >white crystalline powders to gases instantly when they decompose. I am >not sure how they are made. > > BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to >eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the >tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? > >cc/impulse > > A most intriguing question... The industry manuals attribute the problem of "burnout" principally to: the electrodes- eventually the seal leaks the atmosphere into the rarified tube. and, the metal ions on the electrodes eventually sputter off into the tube and deposit themselves on the glass, but as atmosphere eventually leaks into the chamber, the oxygen and nitrogen thereof form oxides on the electrodes, drastically increasing the resistance drop, eventually not leaving enough voltage to excite the "neon" ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 04:27:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA04523 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 04:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA04463 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 04:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw33.fastlane.net (fw33.fastlane.net [206.42.189.33]) by fastlane.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03153 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:21:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602161321.HAA03153@fastlane.net> X-Sender: nikki@mail.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 06:29:26 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.826 From: nikki@fastlane.net (Bert Pool) Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Paul Lamb wrote: > >> On 08Feb96 you mentioned that microwaves may influence the >> interaction of inert gases during food preparation. My >> understanding has always been that inert gases are considered >> inert due to their refusal to chemically combine with other >> elements (sorry, I got stuck with the classical physics >> training). To this end, I cannot help but wonder how any >> interaction would be possible by the application of an >> electromagnetic field such as is found in a magnetron? And yes, > > I am not sure why, but a microwave will cause a neon tube to glow; I >suspect that the electrostatic component of the EM field is ionizing it... > If the noble gas is being ionized, perhaps it will be likely to react >chemically. I am aware of a few noble gas compounds, which are called >excimers. Argon flouride, Krypton Fluoride, Krypton Oxide, Xenon Flouride, >Xenon Oxide, and Xenon Hydrate (strange). The Xenon Flouride includes >XeF, XeF2, etc. These compounds are explosive since they turn from >white crystalline powders to gases instantly when they decompose. I am >not sure how they are made. > > BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to >eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the >tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? > >cc/impulse > Generally, neon tubes have almost an indefinite life. The reason neon signs blink is due to the tar-filled transformers failing. Bert From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 06:19:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA14403 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 06:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA14359 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 06:18:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.827 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadef00389; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadef28356; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:17:41 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824491077; Fri, 16 Feb 96 09:11:58 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 09:11:58 EDT Encoding: 30 Text Message-Id: <9601168244.AA824491077@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[4]: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: what I mean is to put the nutrient when the water start boiling inside the microwave for some minutes, instead of heating the water at boiling point, taking it out of the microwave and dissolve the nutrient in it. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: fnrg: Re: Microwaves, etc. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/15/96 01:28 PM On Feb 14, 1996 10:45:36, 'FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com' wrote: >The other would be using the >microwave. Not to heat the water, but to boil the nutrient for some >minutes, making sure that there is a interaction between the nutrient >and the microwaves. I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but you can't put liquid in a microwave and turn it on without heating the liquid. -- Ted Daniels, Ph.D. Director Millennium Watch Institute 800/666-4694 mpred@usa.pipeline.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 07:50:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA05917 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA05799 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from t6.dialup.peg.apc.org (t6.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.134]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id CAA24489 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:48:23 +1000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:48:23 +1000 Message-Id: <199602161648.CAA24489@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.828 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg:Scientific supplies Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Found an interesting surplus scientific supplies site which some list members might not be aware of.....has magnets, flourescent paint, etc. http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/824484883.30/contents.html Jim Francis LATERAL MIND GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 08:28:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA13295 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA13211 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id LAA26045 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:27:49 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.829 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602161627.LAA26045@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: advice needed To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freng) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:27:48 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have to do a science project that will worn someone when thay will be hit by lightning. Any ideas how I could do this? I might be able to detect the ion tail that will go up from the persons head. What charge would this have? How would I make the project? Please help me! This is due very soon! Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 08:41:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA15546 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA15453 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.830 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602161640.IAA15453@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 16 Feb 1996 11:40:56 EDT Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Scalar theory... Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FR>Where do I get plans to make a detecter? FR>-- FR>Andrew Cantino FR>Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. FR>gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html FR> You can down load plans for a simple detector from the Keely Net BBS (214) 324-3501. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 12:23:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA26804 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA26703 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602162021.MAA26703@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:58:43 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.832 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: advice needed Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:27 AM 2/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >I have to do a science project that will worn someone when thay will be >hit by lightning. Any ideas how I could do this? I might be able to >detect the ion tail that will go up from the persons head. What charge >would this have? How would I make the project? Please help me! This is >due very soon! >Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. >gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html > > > Bill, Is your nine-volt-battery-powered ion detector on your pages somewhere? With a trim pot it could be adjusted to light the l.e.d. when the static voltages in the air reach a specific level. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 12:47:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA01147 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:45:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01021 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:45:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602162045.MAA01021@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:22:23 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.833 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Hummingbird Flights Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I recall someone telling me that Hummingbirds migrate from Venezuela to the Carribean Islands or Florida each year. They said that the amount of energy available in a Hummingbird could not account for the energy required to make the flight, and that bugs were not available during the trek. If they follow the string of islands called the Lesser Antilles, from the Port of Spain in Venezuela, a quick look at a world map appears to make each step between pitstops no more than about 50 miles, certainly not a problem, but if anyone has any pointers to more info on this... I can easily see their information as having come from a National Geographic show or something similar, where quite possibly it was stated in the program that they do not make those stops. If there is more to it than island hopping, then it would likely tie in with the Bumblebee problem in that they are supposed to not be able to fly. An associate cut a cross section of a Bumblebee body and found layers of dissimilar material, bringing orgone accumulators to mind. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 17:09:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA17063 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA17026 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id UAA23109 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:08:40 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.834 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602170108.UAA23109@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: fnrg: advice needed To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:08:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199602162021.MAA26703@mail.eskimo.com> from "Gary Hawkins" at Feb 16, 96 12:58:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I made that static detecter, now how do I put the trim pot in, and how do I know what to set it at? -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 19:47:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA22907 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA22733 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:45:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602170345.TAA22733@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:26:38 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.835 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: advice needed Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:08 PM 2/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >I made that static detecter, now how do I put the trim pot in, and how do >I know what to set it at? -- Put it in place of the resistor, then adjust until you're happy with it. ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 20:03:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA26907 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26778 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602170401.UAA26778@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:42:50 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.836 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Omni Contest Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Physics. > > These are responses to a contest sponsored by OMNI magazine: > > Grand Prize Winner: > When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is > dropped, it always lands with the buttered side facing down. I > propose to strap buttered toast to the back of a cat; the two will > hover, spinning inches above the ground. With a giant buttered cat > array, a high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago. > > Runners-up: > > If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of > pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds > at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce > all the worlds great literary works in Braille. [But rednecks aren't like monkeys, you would never get them to cooperate. They're too busy dancing to country music.] > Why Yawning Is Contagious: You yawn to equalize the pressure on your > eardrums. This pressure change outside your eardrums unbalances other > people's ear pressures, so they must yawn to even it out. > > Communist China is technologically underdeveloped because they have no > alphabet and therefore cannot use acronyms to communicate ideas at a > faster rate. [They just need some CPU's to take care of that problem.] > The earth may spin faster on its axis due to deforestation. Just as a > figure skater's rate of spin increases when the arms are brought in > close to the body, the cutting of tall trees may cause our planet to > spin dangerously fast. [Too little time in a day already. Let's keep the trees.] > Honorable Mentions: > > The quantity of consonants in the English language is constant. If > omitted in one place, they turn up in another. When a Bostonian > "pahks" his "cah," the lost r's migrate southwest, causing a Texan to > "warsh" his car and invest in "erl wells." [That last one can't be true, because a New Yorker would say they * sawr * it here.] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 20:38:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA05797 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA05663 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a2-12.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a2-12.mel.netspace.net.au [203.17.100.12]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA24723 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:33:20 +1100 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.837 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Hummingbird Flights Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 05:37:19 GMT Organization: Improving Message-Id: <31254961.24112129@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <199602162045.MAA01021@mail.eskimo.com> In-Reply-To: <199602162045.MAA01021@mail.eskimo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:22:23 +0800, Gary Hawkins wrote: >I recall someone telling me that Hummingbirds migrate from >Venezuela to the Carribean Islands or Florida each year. They >said that the amount of energy available in a Hummingbird >could not account for the energy required to make the flight, >and that bugs were not available during the trek. > >If they follow the string of islands called the Lesser Antilles, >from the Port of Spain in Venezuela, a quick look at a world >map appears to make each step between pitstops no more >than about 50 miles, certainly not a problem, but if anyone >has any pointers to more info on this... > [snip] Perhaps they just take as much advantage of the wind as they can. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 20:44:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA07400 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA07271 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id XAA02253 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:41:55 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.838 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602170441.XAA02253@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: join! To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freng) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:41:54 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Come join the science club! It's FREE FUN and FAST! You will be added to the club mailing list! You will get $100 in Member Cash! You will aslo get a free home page! You will have lots of functions too! Come JOIN the fun: gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 22:13:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA00533 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00412 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:09:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602170609.WAA00412@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:47:29 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.839 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: fnrg: Patterson Cell Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The following on the Patterson Cell is copied from an ISCNI Flash. Note: In the ABC Nightline report, mostly well done, it was stated that basically what Pons and Fleishchmann did was run electricity through two wires separated by a gap in a tub of saltwater. To call that oversimplification would be an gross understatement. While it seems to be in vogue to snicker about cold fusion in the U.S., work is steadily progressing outside this country. The Patterson Cell appears to have some real similarities to cold fusion. The claims stated in this article are conservative, compared to those stated on Nightline of 1000 to 1. Also of note is that the beads made by Patterson are first plastic, then coated with copper, nickel and palladium. Could the spherical shape be a key? How about the layering, bringing to mind once again, orgone accumulators. Gary ==+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== SUPER ENERGY BREAKTHROUGH ANNOUNCED Advocates Hail New Discovery; Skeptics Unimpressed ABC-TV's "Good Morning America" program on Wednesday, Feb 7 announced a possible breakthrough in clean energy technology. The story was expanded on ABC's "Nightline" Wednesday evening. If true, the new technology employs a so-far mysterious but apparently non-nuclear process to produce an estimated one hundred times more energy than it consumes. Skeptics were quick to reply that such claims are by definition improbable at best. They pointed to the "cold fusion" claims of Pons and Fleischmann which took the world by storm a few years ago but turned out to be much less promising than first thought. [Pons and Fleischmann continue their work in France and have recently been granted a patent by the European patent office. It remains unclear how well their "cold fusion" technology really works.] Among the several skeptical scientists interviewed by ABC, it appeared that none had yet tried to test the new device. However, a number of independent, highly reputable scientists and research labs have run tests on the new device and say it appears to work exactly as claimed, although they can't understand how. The device was invented by James A. Patterson, a chemical engineer who says he's made millions perfecting numerous industrial applications of "little beads." A cannister of tiny metal beads, each one coated with layers of copper, nickel and palladium, is the mystery ingredient in Patterson's device. He calls the cannister a Patterson Power Cell. When ordinary water is run through the cannister and a small electric charge is added, the cannister produces amazing amounts of heat, which is transferred to the water. According to Patterson, the energy produced is at least 100 times greater than the energy spent. If Patterson's claim is true, it could have huge implications for the future of power production and consumption. Interest in his device is snowballing rapidly. It is rumored that Motorola Corporation has already offered to by him out for an undisclosed sum. However, Patterson's own company, Clean Energy Technologies Inc. (CETI), has announced plans to develop the technology and has acquired several patents. CETI is in the process of conducting further research to corroborate its findings with several external research partners, including professor George Miley, editor of Fusion Technology and director of the Fusion Studies Lab at the University of Illinois, and Dr. Quinton Bowles, professor and associate dean of the Coordinated Engineering Programs at the University of Missouri in Kansas City. Preliminary testing indicates that this power generation device is environmentally safe, producing no harmful by-products. The company intends to license its technology for commercial use, and believes that commercial applications could be on the market within five to seven years. Clean Energy Technologies Inc. maintains a site on the World Wide Web at: http://www.onramp.net/~ceti ==+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== CLOSING NOTES: If you like the Flash, please tell us the names and email addresses of people you know who'd also like to receive it. Be sure to visit ISCNI's web site: http://www.iscni.com. While there, be sure to get your free copy of MEDIA WATCH, updated every Friday afternoon. It's on the What's New page. AND be sure to visit our online bookstore, featuring the "Simply Safe" credit card ordering system. 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Permission granted to reproduce and redistribute this edition (Vol. 1 No. 23) on the condition that the entire text is included without alteration or omission. ==+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== # # # ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 04:59:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id EAA11376 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 04:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA11322 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 04:56:31 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.840 From: Russparker@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA16072 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 07:55:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 07:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <960217075513_224387828@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: scalar theory..A scalar Detector??? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I agree with Rick Monteverde, A good scalar detector would be real boon to this field. I am very new to all this, I am currently not much more than an observer trying to figure out what this scalar stuff is all about. At this point I am more than alittle sceptical about what is being claimed particularly about any detectors. Mr Shannons detector may work great but how will know that. What kind of rigerous testing has gone into proving this detector. What, if any, is the theory of operation of the detector? Can we be certain that the detector is not just responding, as Rick suggested, to "conventional" and already understood EM phenomenon. Admittedly I speak with a fair degree of ignorance as to what effort may have gone into proving these detectors. But before anyone accepts data from a detector we need a high degree of confidence that the detector is capable of detecting and discriminating what we think we are looking for. Is there an individual or any kind of organization or group that is planning to investigate this detector? Frankly until it can be shown in a repeatable fashion with competent witness that any of the detectors or other devices do what is claimed, this area of study will never move away from the so called fringe and into respected science. Maybe now is a good time for the principle players in this field to provide a summary for some of us newcommers as to what this is all about. What is scalar theory? How is it different from known science, for lack of a better term? What efforts are being made to try to prove these theories? How, if at all, are these efforts being coordinated? How about some detail as to the methods being used to prove the theories, data that can be presented for public debate and scrutiny? As a newcomer to this area, such a summary would sure help me alot. I suspect that it could be of benefit to all. Sometimes stepping back and summarizing where you're at can help one refocus and then press forward with a clearer vision. Would any of the principle players (I am not even sure who they all are) or a colaboration of several care to take the lead in such a summary? Russ Parker Russparker@aol.com P.S. I just read Mr Shannons reply about the current state of scalar theory that in part echos my concerns. Is it time to get this effort out of the closet and mad scientists basement and into a more public arena? Or are there reasons why this is not practical? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 06:52:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA05428 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 06:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05368 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 06:51:57 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.841 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA07524; Fri, 9 Feb 96 10:47:49 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823891858; Fri, 09 Feb 96 10:47:07 EST Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 10:47:07 EST Message-Id: <9601098238.AA823891858@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Mocrowaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On 08Feb96 you mentioned that microwaves may influence the >interaction of inert gases during food preparation. My understanding >has always been that inert gases are considered inert due to their >refusal to chemically combine with other elements There was a editing error in my original post. I had studied the interactions of inert gases and electromagnetic fields. This clause was accidentally deleted from the original post. Sorry for the confusion this caused. Microwaves do heat water, not "food", in a similar process to the diamagnetic properties of Inert gases, the induction of equal and opposite atomic currents that cause precession in the gases, and frictional heating in water molecules. As I posted the original to another list server, I made an effort to keep as much of the physics out of the post as possible. This is not quite appropriate for freenrg-list however. The key is that the atomic currents exactly match the electromagnetic energy that induces them, per Lentz'z law. These currents are also 180 degrees out of phase to the applied field, in both cases. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 06:52:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA05483 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 06:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05424 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 06:52:05 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.842 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate1.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA07865; Fri, 9 Feb 96 10:56:08 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate1.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823892417; Fri, 09 Feb 96 10:56:11 EST Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 10:56:11 EST Message-Id: <9601098238.AA823892417@ccgate1.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Anyone have anything constructive to say, rather than rhetoric, >conjecture, and idle speculation? Anyone have any solid SCIENTIFIC >data? Hard to procure on human subjects ( long term studies being >hard to quantify, although one can only draw lines of correlation >instead of causality, seeing that nobody bothered to check over the >decades; gee, no foresight on anybody's part; didn't we all see >cellular phones three decades ago? ), anything on other experimental >data? There are references in the original articles and postings that provide a number of references to studies that show that there is a measurable effect. The other experimental data is there. As the concern on this subject being "bunk", or that the official word was that there is no problem, clearly such a claim must be weighted against the evidence to the contrary. From experimental work, I began to suspect that there might be a mechanism at work, but was unaware of any studies that showed any effects. Once I found that indeed there were such studies, my level of concern changed. The possibility of a potential problem was no longer a personal theory, but was supported by some evidence. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 08:05:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA00625 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00543 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix-den5-23.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA05633; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:03:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3125F2DE.7939@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:23:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 834952770.844 From: Chuck Humphrey Organization: NextGeneration Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: RADIANT ENERGY References: <199602170441.XAA02253@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I just bought a "packet" of information from the Telsa Society on Radiant energy by Bruce A. Perreault. I was dissapointed in that it contained a collection of diss-jointed material. By saying the units puts out 50,000 watts is rather meaningless unless it also refers to a period of time. There were only 5 pages that acutally dealt with building a working radiant energy system and a lot of undefined construction details. Has anyone ever built one of these radiant tubes, and does anyone know if these things work? I appreciate any resonse. I would like to build one but need some questions answered first. Thanks, Chuck Humphrey -- * NextGeneration Software Chuck Humphrey * * 5023 W 120th Ave #109 Product Manager * * Broomfield, CO 80020 (303) 754-2927 * * Web site: * * e-mail: next-gen@ix.netcom.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 10:48:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA00362 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00250 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA27932; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:23:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:23:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199602151623.IAA27932@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.845 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: fnrg: Re: Fnrg: Flatlander To: rwall@ix.netcom.com To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FLATLANDER As a young lad of 12 or 13, my parents owned a small lake house on the south shore of Lake Istapoga which is just south of Sebring Florida. The topography is very flat in Florida and when standing on the south shore the tree line is the only thing visible on the north shore some eight miles way. On very quite, still mornings when the surface of the lake was like a sheet of glass, I would wade out to about chest depth. This was risky business in retrospect since alligators up to fifteen feet and eight hundred to a thousand pounds routinely patrol this section of the lake. But, I was bullet proof then. When the water settled and was again glassy smooth, I would slowly crouch down until my eyes were only a few inches above the water. Viewing northward tangentially to the surface of the lake , I could only see the faint, flat line of the sky-lake interface. As I slowly stood up, I could actually see the curvature of the surface of the lake and then the tree line appeared. The surface of the lake actually bulged. It curved! It was an amazing revelation. The first time was by accident, but I repeated this experiment over and over. Always the same results. Later, I would learn of the popular myth that Christopher Columbus had observed with a telescope the tops of the sails of returning ships on the horizon before he could actually see the ships themselves. From this observation it is said that he then deduced the world to be round instead of flat. If I had suddenly come into existence when my eyes were first only a few inches above the water, my frame of reference would have been only the sky lake interface line. I would have been truly a two dimensional flatlander. I would not have appreciated the tree line around the curvature of the earth in the third dimension. Even though I couldn't see it, never the less it is there. By way of analogy, so too are hyperspatial dimensions. They are there even though we cannot routinely appreciate them with our own eyes or physical senses. For some reason nature has either failed to give us the capability to sense these higher dimensions or we have had them and they have atrophied with evolution. I suspect the later. How can we learn to appreciate the higher dimensional tree lines? RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 10:52:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA07809 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.com (chope@escape.com [198.6.71.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07668 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chope@localhost) by escape.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA20862; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:28:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:28:09 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.846 From: Charles Hope To: freenrg-list@ESKIMO.COM Subject: Re: fnrg: Scalar EM Theory. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@MAIL.ESKIMO.COM Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@MAIL.ESKIMO.COM Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, John Alexander Lotoski wrote: > > > Hi. All the talk about scalar EM theory has me curious. I'm not > by any means a physicist, but someday i hopefully will be. > > Unfortunatly, i'm not very well versed with classical EM theory > (i've only taken one course covering coulombic attraction, e-fields, > potential, gausses law, Kirchoffs laws, AC/DC RLC circuits, and some other > simple things). > > Reading T. Beardons articles sound very fascinating and aside > from the obvious implications, his work is far beyond my understanding. > > In fact his work is so far beyond me (hehe) i'm confused as to > which part of classical physics is in error. I.e. You guys are saying > something about detecting scalars (potentials?) with equipment, and how this > would be in contradiction to classical EM. Why? Since potentials are > closely related to the E-field (Va - Vb = (integral [b->a]) [-E(dot)dr] ), > why is this a big deal??? > > Any explanation would be greatly appreciated... I'm not a scalar theorist. The field pushes my "bogus" buttons, and there are serious problems with that little notion called reproducibilty. I'd be glad to receive correction on this point. However, I believe the idea is that E-fields don't quite cancel out, and that a test particle far from any charges (in a region of no E-field) is not in the same state as one positioned between two equal charges (where the total E = 0). Supposedly there is some residual field that lingers on. > > Also, one other thing. Bearden refers to the fact the Maxwells > original work was done using quaternion mathematics, and that when Gibbs & > Heaviside converted to vector calculus the electrogravitation component > of the EM theory was lost. However, when i signed out "A Classical > Treatise on EM" (or whatever that was called--i can't really remember > right now) by J. Maxwell, all of the mathematics (that i saw) was done in > vector or regular calculus. There was only about a 2 sentance thing that > said anything about quaternion math. Something like a quaternion is > defined as: > > q = w + ax + by + cz > > where q is the quaternion, w, a, b, c are scalars and x, y, > z comprise the orthogonal component system. So where were the quaternions > that Maxwell did? What works are they in? Or did i just miss them, or > not recognize them in the book? > This is about the 5th time I have had to correct this disinformation launched by Bearden. It's one of the most insidious lies put forth because few have familiarity with either quaternions or Maxwell's treatise. Maxwell did not use quaternions as quaternions. He broke them up into vector and scalar parts, and he wrote out his dot and cross products as terms. Heaviside invented the dot and cross notations, which made Maxwell's work look more elegant. He *did not* alter the physical meaning at all. > > Thanx for any information in advance > > John Lotoski > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 12:38:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA26492 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26267; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA20669; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:35:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:35:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199602151835.TAA20669@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@ESKIMO.COM, freenrg-list@MAIL.ESKIMO.COM X-UIDL: 834952770.847 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: INE 96 symposium Sender: owner-freenrg-list@MAIL.ESKIMO.COM Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@MAIL.ESKIMO.COM Status: RO X-Status: > International Symposium on New Energy > > April 25-28 > > at the Denver Hilton South Hotel, Denver, Colorado >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Key Speakers > >Dennis Cravens on the Patterson Fuel Cell >Mark Hendershot on the Hendershot Motor >Harold Puthoff on Zero Point Energy >Jim Griggs on the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump >Eugene Mallove on Cold Fusion >Tom Valone on Free Energy & Propulsion >Edgar Mitchell (former Apollo astronaut) on New Energy > >Other Speakers > >Harold Aspden on Ferromagnetics >Robert Emmerich on Measuring Energy >John Grow on Antigravity >William Hyde on the Hyde Electrostatic Generator >Scott Klaumizio on Power from food oils >Ron Kovac on Transmutation of elements >Peter Linderman on Thermodynamics >Roy McAllister on Hydrogen Energy >Bill Mulle on the Magnetic Motor Generator >Dale Pond on the Keely Motor >Troy Reed on the Reed Magnetic More and related research >Bert Werjefelt on the Magnetic Motor >Charles Yost on Electric Spacecraft Propulsion >Paulo Correa on Pulse Abnormal Glow Discharges >Hal Fox on Cold Fusion >John Hutchinson on Antigravity and the Energy Convertor >Russ James on the Magnetic Emission Reduction Device >Don Kelly with his Free energy update >Win Lambertson on Solid State Energy Conversion >Jeanne Manning on the Upcoming Energy Revolution >Andrew Michrowski on Free Energy in a Self-Sustaining Home >Brian O'Leary on his book, Miracle in the Void >Wing Pon with a Unified Theory of Free Energy >Pierre Sinclair on the Hammill Magnetic Gravitational Drive >Dan Winter on Gravitational Energy and its relationship to Emotion >and many more >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Itinerary > >April 25 - Thursday Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM >April 26 - Friday Lectures 8:30AM - 5:00PM > Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM >April 27 - Saturday Lectures 8:30AM - 5:00PM > Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM >April 28 - Sunday Lectures 8:30AM - 5:00PM > Evening Workshops 6:30PM - 9:30PM >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Details > >Location Denver Hilton South Hotel, 7801 East Orchard Road, Englewood, >Colorado 80111 (south part of Denver) A private shuttle bus is available from >the airport. Purchase tickets at ground transportation. Hotel reservations at >1.800.327.2242 > >Hotel room rates are $59 for a single and a block of rooms has been reserved, >please mention that you are with the ISNE conference in April. > >Registration - before March 1 - $200 > between March 1 and April 1 - $250 > after April 1 - $300 > Workshops - $20 each > Banquet - $25 > >Additional information from International Association of New Science, 1304 >South College Avenue, Fort Collins, CO 970.482.3731 FAX 970.482.3120 >Make checks payable to International Association for New Science. > >Memberships to IANS $35. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If anybody from this list here will attend over there, please post a summary of the results of this event. As I live in Germany I have no chance to go there in April. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 13:38:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA16342 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16057 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:06:11 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.848 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602160206.SAA16057@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 15 Feb 1996 21:06:50 EDT Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The Isriales (sp?) have used these devices for years to increase the productivity of plants. There is a company in Arkansas (I believe) A to Z Industries, that make and sell huge industrial water treatment units. They are used on air conditioning condensate tower, pool treatment etc. Its really quite interesting. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 13:44:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA07198 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pine.liii.com (pine.liii.com [198.207.193.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA06987 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA12199; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:56:29 -0500 Received: by oak.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA09289; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:53:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:53:44 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.849 From: Christopher Comeaux To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Charles Choi (SAR) wrote: > > > > BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to > > eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the > > tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? > No transmutation according to accepted theory. The reason why neon > lights wear out is because the electrodes wear out, sort of like how the > electrodes in light bulbs eventually wear out ( the little wire electrode > that heats to provide the light in the light bulb in the first place ). > Inert gas compounds are a 'recent' innovation in chemistry, and I would > guess are not too stable due to the fact that they electrochemically > 'overloaded'. God that sounds bad, but I'm REALLY not a ( physical ) > chemistry major. Any more exact terms out there from any of you? > BUT there is no visible difference between a "worn out" neon tube and a new one. In a light bulb, the filaments burn out and break. In a neon tube there are just two wires sticking into the gas, which are not connected. How can the wires wear out? How can they cease to be conductive? The neon glows because the gas is conducting. It seems more likely that the gas would stop conducting than the wires! cc/impulse From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 14:25:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA20684 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20580 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:32:29 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.850 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602160232.SAA20580@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 15 Feb 1996 21:03:14 EDT Subject: Re: fnrg: Magnetic water soft Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You can use those magnets. Be sure to put the south seeking side of the magnets toward the pipe. The commercial unit I have uses 4 flat sided magnets mounted and encapsuled in a soft plastic coating. Two magnets in 2 seperate units, that are clamped around the pipe using ty-wraps. There is a lot of literature about the use of magnets in water treatment. It keeps calcium and iron in suspension, and does not allow calcium to build up inside the pipes and fixtures. We don't have to clean the glass sides of the shower as often as we did before we had the magnets. I have seen advertisements in the SPOTLIGHT, a conservative weekly paper published in Washington DC, for using magnets to treat arthritis and other physical problems. I haven't gone that far yet. ...later... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 14:53:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA01490 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.9.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA01415 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA15905; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 17:50:54 -0500 Date: 17 Feb 96 17:48:59 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.851 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: scalar theory... Message-ID: <960217224858_76216.2421_HHB61-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Russ - >>"Is it time to get this effort out of the closet and mad >>scientists basement and into a more public arena? Or are >>there reasons why this is not practical?" The "underground" garage/basement/closet workshop circuit has it's purpose. If some aspects of the scalar story are true, there are obvious military uses for it that would be reason enough for it not to appear in the mainstream. Also, and probably more importantly and much more likely, scalar theories tend to defy mainstream ideas about EM which is very uncomfortable to members of the establishment academic and scientific communities. IMHO this is to some extent as it should be, as rumors, anecdotes, and more or less crackpot theories should never be allowed to make inroads into theories and practice long established through years of duplication and everyday use. And lastly, it could simply be all wrong and non-existent! You know we are the "edge" here, Russ. We tend to lean towards the alternaive view that some of these long held theories may eventually turn out to be incomplete or even wrong, and that some of the rumors, anecdotes, and even more or less widely known anomalies might in fact pointers to this eventuality. For instance if a reliable scalar detector comes along, and you run it right alongside conventional radio transcievers across a range of frequencies while all well shielded, and the scalar stuff keeps working but the radio reciever is silent at the _same_ frequencies, then we probably do have something. So a couple of people try it, and report here that it worked. Still just anecdotal, but reproducable and growing. A few others try it, and report on the various lists. News spreads. Eventually, reputable, known researchers might pick up on it and try it themselves based on the now more numerous accounts of the experiment. It might even make it into peer reviewed journals if conventional explanations can't be found and proven to apply by then. Refined theories come later. We who like you are here to find out what's going on with this are running mostly on speculation and hypothesis now. Bearden's been providing most of the (occasionally inconsistent or even wrong) theory, but it's hard to get from there to the benchtop. So this might be a typical process if there is some reproducable success, provided that such success easily falls within the experimental skill and funding capabilities of garage/basement hackers such as some of the people on this list. Those last two are of course important factors also in the possible propagation of these things from rumor and anecdote to the higher levels. And of course, it has to work. Then there are those rather strong disincentives, which I mentioned above, for scientists to even attempt such "silly" experiments, so perhaps it really does fall to people like us to try these things out and get it started if there's something there. We generally have fewer inhibitions, and lack reputation and funding to risk if our experiments and ideas look ridiculous. By coming here you have looked in on the bottom rung of the process, so we shouldn't expect to find polished theories and explanations packaged up and ready for textbook and sound-byte conversion. This is where it all starts, and the terrain is rough. >>"Maybe now is a good time for the principle players in this field >>to provide a summary for some of us newcommers as to what this is >>all about. What is scalar theory? How is it different from known >>science, for lack of a better term? What efforts are being made to >>try to prove these theories? How, if at all, are these efforts being >>coordinated? How about some detail as to the methods being used to >>prove the theories, data that can be presented for public debate and >>scrutiny?" Some of the answers to those questions are provided by lists such as this one, and the experimenters, philosophers, and theorists who populate them. It is an emerging process, and the communication ability provided by the net and various boards and fora provides the informal media for coordination and information exchange. For basic background on these ideas about scalar, visit Bill Beaty's Weird Science links, and read some of the Keelynet and other files on the subject. Try Bearden's article at http://hsv.com/writers/bearden/tommenu.htm, and if you're still interested, read some of his books. Many people are convinced that Bearden's wrong about many things, so we need to keep a skeptical but open mind here, IMO. Follow the discussions, and if you possibly can, perform some of the experiments mentioned when they show up with a full description, and report what you're doing here and other such places you might visit. The key of course is reproducability. We need that above all to find out if there's anything to scalar, and that's linked to existence of a reliable detector we can get our hands on. If it then turns out that there's something to this, maybe it will be time to move it to the next level. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 21:41:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA28357 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA28288 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id VAA27850; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:38:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:38:42 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.853 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MIGHT BE DANGEROUS SO DON'T TRY IT. IT'S PROVIDED FOR YOUR INFORMATION ONLY. (In other words, if you give yourself brain damage, don't come running to me!) I was messing with the kid's electrical demo where one places a (clean) penny and dime on the tongue and tastes nothing, then touches the penny and dime together and tastes an increasingly bad metallic taste. Electrochemistry in action, directly apprehended by unaided human senses! Ancient peoples could have stumbled across this effect and eventually developed it into electrical technology. I was looking for other variations on the demo when I noticed something interesting. I had a steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of metallic flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped the other against the spoon? Only a slight flavor noticed, but MY VISION PULSED! What the hell?! It doesn't seem to be from twitches in face or eye muscles. The current was measured to be around 300uA, below the threshold where it can be sensed. Maybe it contracts iris muscles? Or maybe this low current is directly affecting the retina or nervous system? Yes, directing a third of a mA pulse into a spoon in your mouth obviously causes currents in your brain. After experimntng foour ours and ohrs wiith ths,,,,, i cAmnt thk of a good aplcatjon ;) Actually, I have no idea if this could be dangerous, so now that I've tried it, no one else needs to. Just thought the group might find it interesting. That, and the idea that electrical science could have arisen via different pathways than frog twitching and Volta's pile. How DID those Phoenicians get started with their electric cells in ceramic pots? .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty billb@eskimo.com vortex-L,freenrg-list,taoshum-L,webhead-L EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 voice:206-781-3320 SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 22:22:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA09758 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA09698 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:18:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602180618.WAA09698@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:06:28 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.854 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >via different pathways than frog twitching and Volta's pile. How DID those >Phoenicians get started with their electric cells in ceramic pots? > Cool Spring evening, your camelskin coat won't be needed soon. Your fellow hunters and you just brought back some interesting new rocks, some silvery and some sort of reddish from the river. Your women decide they'd look nice around the campfire. Wind whips up that night while your gigantic campfire burns, wind that channels through gaps in the rocks to form incredible heat. In the morning you discover the now solid drippings from the silver and copper ore. You toss them in a pot of water from the nearby Mediteranean hoping the salt water will clean them off a bit. That night, at the nightly get together with your hunting friends around the campfire, you pull out the pot to show your friends, get close to the fire so they can look inside with the light of the fire, remove the top, and nearly blow everybody to smitherines as the fire ignites the hydrogen. Pretty neat stuff. Everybody's thinking weapon. You, however, had a weird dream last night where you think you saw into the future: Some kind of apparently responsible adult male sticking coins in his mouth, spoons in his ears, fingers in water, and connecting everything up with wires to see what happens to him. Ahah@!!! You rush back to the pot, plop the silver and copper blobs into your mouth and voila! Somehow they are able to revive you. You and your hunting partners decide to form a corporation and apply for the first patent on electricity. Trouble is paper hasn't been invented yet. Oh well, the women are very impressed. This thing is paying off already. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 17 23:56:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA09544 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA09487 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from t13.dialup.peg.apc.org (t13.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.141]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id SAA28627 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:54:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:54:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199602180854.SAA28627@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.855 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Beer operated radio Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill's message on low voltages reminded me of something. Many years ago I stuck a lead nail and a copper nail in a glass of beer and registered 0.8 volts. Stacked 3 of these "cells" in series and designed a small 3 transistor radio which drove an earphone. As a bit of a joke we did a small production run and put them on the market. The newsmedia in New Zealand picked up on this and next thing we knew we had made the new York Times and other papers all over the world. (It was Xmas and news was scarce). Even got some letters from universities asking if we'd discovered cold fusion. Upshot was we sold thousands of them. We advertised that it would run brilliantly on beer but not so well on spagetthi. I guess the moral of all this is that you've got some old beer lying round...don't throw it away....it might have a few volts left! Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 06:53:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA26687 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com (ix10.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA26636 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma5-20.ix.netcom.com by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA15046; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:50:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:50:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199602181450.GAA15046@ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.856 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:38 PM 2/17/96 -0800, you wrote: >I had a steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of metallic >flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon >handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the >bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the >metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped >the other against the spoon? If you make the spoon the positive side of the circuit, you will have a useful device. Plaque is charged negatively. The +9V on the spoon will electrostatically pull the plaque out of your mouth and onto the spoon. Dennis Lee From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 08:47:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA14201 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA14078 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id LAA28692 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:45:20 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.858 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602181645.LAA28692@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:45:15 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "William Beaty" at Feb 17, 96 09:38:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > > WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MIGHT BE DANGEROUS SO DON'T TRY IT. IT'S PROVIDED > FOR YOUR INFORMATION ONLY. > > (In other words, if you give yourself brain damage, don't come running to > me!) > > > I was messing with the kid's electrical demo where one places a (clean) > penny and dime on the tongue and tastes nothing, then touches the penny > and dime together and tastes an increasingly bad metallic taste. > Electrochemistry in action, directly apprehended by unaided human senses! > Ancient peoples could have stumbled across this effect and eventually > developed it into electrical technology. I was looking for other > variations on the demo when I noticed something interesting. I had a > steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of metallic > flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon > handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the > bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the > metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped > the other against the spoon? Only a slight flavor noticed, but MY VISION > PULSED! > > What the hell?! It doesn't seem to be from twitches in face or eye > muscles. The current was measured to be around 300uA, below the threshold > where it can be sensed. Maybe it contracts iris muscles? Or maybe this > low current is directly affecting the retina or nervous system? Yes, > directing a third of a mA pulse into a spoon in your mouth obviously > causes currents in your brain. > > After experimntng foour ours and ohrs wiith ths,,,,, i cAmnt thk of a good > aplcatjon > > ;) > > Actually, I have no idea if this could be dangerous, so now that I've > tried it, no one else needs to. Just thought the group might find it > interesting. That, and the idea that electrical science could have arisen > via different pathways than frog twitching and Volta's pile. How DID those > Phoenicians get started with their electric cells in ceramic pots? > > .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. > William Beaty billb@eskimo.com vortex-L,freenrg-list,taoshum-L,webhead-L > EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ > Seattle, WA 98117 voice:206-781-3320 SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > > It could be the EM field. -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 08:54:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA15670 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15646 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id LAA29048 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:53:39 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.859 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602181653.LAA29048@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: anonymous email (fwd) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:53:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Forwarded message: > From aa581 Sun Feb 18 11:02:09 1996 > From: "Michael S. Taitel" > Message-Id: <199602181602.LAA27020@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> > Subject: anonymous email (fwd) > To: xx053@seorf.ohiou.edu (Science wig. sig.) > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:02:03 -0500 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > Content-Type: text > > Forwarded message: > > From owner-evaltalk@UA1VM.UA.EDU Mon Jan 29 04:17:28 1996 > > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R1). > > Message-ID: > > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:57:03 GMT-0100 > > Reply-To: American Evaluation Association Discussion List > > > > Sender: American Evaluation Association Discussion List > > > > From: Hans Torvatn > > Subject: anonymous email > > To: Multiple recipients of list EVALTALK > > > > Warning! The topic of this posting is not evaluation but anonymous > > email! Please zap if you are not interested! > > > > Hans Torvatn > > > > Anonymous email- how to send. > > > > I mentioned in an earlier posting the possibilities of sending > > anonoymous email. I got some questions on how to do this so I > > searched for some more information and got some answers: > > > > There are several different systems out there. If you look at the > > following www adresses you will find an overview: > > > > http://www.world.net/%7Epirovich/remail.html > > > > or > > > > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-faq.html > > > > According to my computerloving friends (and my wife working at an > > Internet providing company) the best and most reliable system is > > located in Finland. It is called: Anon.penet.fi > > > > What this system does for you is simply to provide you with a > > code numbered emailadress. You send using that emailadress and people > > answer to that emailadress. Nobody but you knows the codenumber. > > > > (According to rumors various US Govt. agencies have been trying to > > get the adresses from the Finns, or if not, close the system. However, > > there was nothing in Finnish law to support the claim, so the Finnish > > government refused. Whether this is just some Urban Myth or truth I > > do not know.) > > > > If you want to use anon read the instructions below, copied from > > http://www.world.net/%7Epirovich/remail.html: > > > > ANON.PENET.FI > > > > You've probably seen posts from anon.penet.fi, it is by far > > the most prominent remailer. This remailer uses different software > > than the previous "Cypherpunk" remailers, and has different features. > > Anon.penet.fi assigns a numeric i.d. to each address it receives mail > > from. Other Internet users can reply to your secret number; > > anon.penet.fi will assign them an anonymous number, too, and forward > > the reply to you. This creates a double- blind situation where two > > people could have an ongoing exchange and never know who the other > > person was. You can use anon.penet.fi to post a message to Usenet as > > well. The message can be read by thousands of people, and anyone can > > send an anonymous reply to your secret Finnish identity. > > > > To get an anonymous remailer address follow the following > > indstruction. > > > > First, you should send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. You'll get back a > > nice help file automatically. Next, send mail to ping@anon.penet.fi. > > This will allocate your number--from now on you'll be something like > > anXXXXXX@anon.penet.fi, where XXXXXX is your number. Once you have > > received your anonymous address you can use it like your normal e- > > mail address. > > > > ===== > > > > This is what I know about the system! I have not used it myself. > > > > Hans Torvatn > > > > > -- > ***************************************************************************** > > Michael S. Taitel, Ph.D. Voice: (614) 594-3511 > Director of Research Fax: (614) 593-7258 > Health Recovery Services, Inc. > P.O. Box 724 Email: aa581@SEORF.OHIOU.EDU > Athens, Ohio 45701-0724 > > ***************************************************************************** > -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 15:35:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA26105 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA26036 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id SAA09540 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:34:02 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:37:28 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.862 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I had a >steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of metallic >flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon >handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the >bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the >metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped >the other against the spoon? Only a slight flavor noticed, but MY VISION >PULSED! > >What the hell?! It doesn't seem to be from twitches in face or eye >muscles. The current was measured to be around 300uA, below the threshold >where it can be sensed. Maybe it contracts iris muscles? Or maybe this >low current is directly affecting the retina or nervous system? Yes, >directing a third of a mA pulse into a spoon in your mouth obviously >causes currents in your brain. Bill, This effect was described in a scientific journal some years ago. I'm sorry, but I don't have the reference at hand. I remember stumbling across it as a graduate student while I was supposed to be reading something else. Of course, I had to try it. The experimenters applied electrodes to various positions on the face and imposed a current-limited square wave pulse across the electrodes. Variations in the pulse frequency and pulse length generated reports of various types of flashes and geometrical designs. I immediately went to the lab, breadboarded a battery-powered pulse generator using a 555 timer chip, put a 10-meg pot in the output line, and started applying EEG-electrodes to my face. It worked just as the article described. The article presented a reasonable arguement for this being an effect of directly stimulating the retinal cells. After all, they are quite sensitive to very small levels of photic input, so it makes sense that they might also detect other types of energy. I believe I've read that they respond to pulsating magnetic fields in a similar manner. I AM NOT recommending that anyone else try this. Even small amounts of current imposed across the brain can be quite dangerious! R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 16:53:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA20473 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA20420 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:53:05 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.864 From: Jules54321@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11145 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:51:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: <960218195139_225350275@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have used a simple oscillating circuit to provide 40kHz, 0 to +9V dc square waves thru brass hand holds. The current varies with how hard you grip the hand holds (variable resistance), but we were able to vary it from 5 ma (held with fingertips), to over 100 ma (holding tightly). We were experimenting with the theory of Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D., that this positive "AC" can resonate electrically with the electrical nerve signals of parasites in the human body, thus killing them off (supposedly affecting everything that is not 'you'). Her work is published in the book "The Cure for all diseases", pub: ProMotion Publishing, San Diego,1-800-231-1776. We noticed a tingling on the hands and arms, and a slight disorientation after 7 minutes at 5 ma. Our research continues, but the pulsed current didn't seem to hurt anyone, and the pulsing current overcomes the resistance of the body allowing much more current to pass than straight DC would. I like Dennis' idea about attracting the tooth plaque to a charged electrode!! Good one. By the way, I'm new to this newsgroup. My name is Rich Hollyday. I'm interested in mechanical methods of efficient power transformation (prime movers, transmissions, steam generators, etc.) I build and test Tesla turbines in my home shop. Looking forward to correspondence with youz guyz!! Go easy. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 20:20:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA16552 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA16477 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-27.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-27.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.27]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA06584 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:16:49 +1100 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.866 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:20:52 GMT Organization: Improving Message-Id: <312684d6.6288308@mail.netspace.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:53:44 -0500 (EST), Christopher Comeaux wrote: [snip] > > BUT there is no visible difference between a "worn out" neon tube >and a new one. In a light bulb, the filaments burn out and break. In >a neon tube there are just two wires sticking into the gas, which are >not connected. How can the wires wear out? How can they cease to be >conductive? The neon glows because the gas is conducting. It seems >more likely that the gas would stop conducting than the wires! >cc/impulse > > I suspect that the seal around the edge of the glass eventually leaks enough air into the bulb, and enough inert gas out of the bulb to upset the process. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 20:28:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA18931 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix15.ix.netcom.com (ix15.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.15]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18885 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma6-24.ix.netcom.com by ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA18063; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:26:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:26:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199602190426.UAA18063@ix15.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.867 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rich; I saw the charged toothbrush idea on a TV infomercial. They were selling a product called the Ionic Toothbrush. It was stated that this product is made in Europe. Dennis C. Lee At 07:51 PM 2/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >I like Dennis' idea about attracting the tooth plaque to a charged >electrode!! Good one. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 21:20:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA02006 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA01952 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA07410 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:18:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA01597; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:18:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:18:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602190518.XAA01597@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.868 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> > BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to >> > eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the >> > tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? >> No transmutation according to accepted theory. The reason why neon >> lights wear out is because the electrodes wear out, sort of like how the >> electrodes in light bulbs eventually wear out ( the little wire electrode >> that heats to provide the light in the light bulb in the first place ). >> Inert gas compounds are a 'recent' innovation in chemistry, and I would >> guess are not too stable due to the fact that they electrochemically >> 'overloaded'. God that sounds bad, but I'm REALLY not a ( physical ) >> chemistry major. Any more exact terms out there from any of you? >> > > BUT there is no visible difference between a "worn out" neon tube >and a new one. In a light bulb, the filaments burn out and break. In >a neon tube there are just two wires sticking into the gas, which are >not connected. How can the wires wear out? How can they cease to be >conductive? The neon glows because the gas is conducting. It seems >more likely that the gas would stop conducting than the wires! >cc/impulse In 10 years of electronics repair I have seen many neon bulbs which have blackeded inside; very similar to the blackening of a regular 6 or 12 volt incandescent bulb fed by DC. I always assumed it was a similar effect ... some of the metal from the electrodes boiled off and deposited on the inside of the glass envelope; it just took longer (some of these neon bulbs had been in equipment for 30 years or longer.) Any better ideas? Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 18 21:38:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA08764 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA08682 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA08337 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:35:52 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA07017; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:36:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:36:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602190536.XAA07017@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.869 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MIGHT BE DANGEROUS SO DON'T TRY IT. IT'S PROVIDED >FOR YOUR INFORMATION ONLY. > >(In other words, if you give yourself brain damage, don't come running to >me!) > Right! How many dain-bramaged former freenrg subscribers do you want around you? :-) Interesting results; I have no intention of trying it ... I have enough concern with some of the other things I'm around all the time! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 00:18:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA07542 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07527 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:15:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602190815.AAA07527@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:02:40 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.870 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >In 10 years of electronics repair I have seen many neon bulbs which have >blackeded inside; very similar to the blackening of a regular 6 or 12 >volt incandescent bulb fed by DC. > >I always assumed it was a similar effect ... some of the metal from the >electrodes boiled off and deposited on the inside of the glass envelope; >it just took longer (some of these neon bulbs had been in equipment for >30 years or longer.) At a certain point then, the metalized layer becomes a short basically, right? And the current prefers the metalic lining of the glass as a path, no longer through the gas. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 02:35:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA13805 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA13744 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from t38.dialup.peg.apc.org (t38.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.166]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id VAA19683 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:33:58 +1000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:33:58 +1000 Message-Id: <199602191133.VAA19683@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.871 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bill's list may be aware if this...but just in case... Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called "Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys hard-drives. The trick apparently is NOT to read it. Delete it immediately. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 06:00:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA14389 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:00:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA14339 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:00:09 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.872 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602191400.GAA14339@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 19 Feb 1996 09:00:54 EDT Subject: fnrg: RADIANT ENERGY Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I've never known anyone to build one of these devices (Radiant Energy Receivers), however I have known someone that built a receiver that was resonate to a commercial radio transmitter located about 5 miles away. They obtained enough power from the RF energy to keep a 12 volt car battery charged. Not a great deal, but the battery would stay as well charged as if a small solar powered charger would do. The resonate coil was wound on a plastic garbage can. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 06:26:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA23135 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA23083 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:26:02 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.873 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602191426.GAA23083@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 19 Feb 1996 09:26:48 EDT Subject: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. (215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the FR> >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it FR> >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not FR> >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the FR> >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a FR> >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the FR> >check. I have been totally satisified! FR> FR> Has the water softening action been measured (i.e. with a DH test FR> kit), or only observed? Cheap DH test kits can be had at local FR> aquarium shops, but you would have to have measurements taken before FR> installation of course. Interesting! I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, increasing its efficiencies. John Draper From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 06:45:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA29460 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA29415 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA24614 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:43:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA21494; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:44:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:44:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602191444.IAA21494@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.874 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>In 10 years of electronics repair I have seen many neon bulbs which have >>blackened inside; very similar to the blackening of a regular 6 or 12 >>volt incandescent bulb fed by DC. >> >>I always assumed it was a similar effect ... some of the metal from the >>electrodes boiled off and deposited on the inside of the glass envelope; >>it just took longer (some of these neon bulbs had been in equipment for >>30 years or longer.) > >At a certain point then, the metalized layer becomes a short basically, >right? And the current prefers the metalic lining of the glass as a path, >no longer through the gas. That's what I figured ... I never broke one open and measured the coating on the glass. That could be an interesting project some day! Zack From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 06:55:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA03380 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03330 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA25357 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:53:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA24870; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:54:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:54:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602191454.IAA24870@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.875 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A > >Bill's list may be aware if this...but just in case... > >Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called >"Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys >hard-drives. >The trick apparently is NOT to read it. Delete it immediately. > >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH Hi, This "virus" has been around here in the U.S. for about a year now, I think. From what I've heard, the only "virus" about it is the rumor, which has spread all over. Supposedly there is really no "Good Times" virus. I haven't encountered anyone who has found it, and it isn't on the list of viruses in the McAfee scanner. Has anyone actually been infected by it? It was supposedly in e-mail that had "Good Times" as the subject matter. I found one such e-mail a while back and found nothing infectious in it. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 08:17:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA18971 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA18923 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:16:21 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.876 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadpp02756; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadpp19174; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:16:13 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824757360; Mon, 19 Feb 96 11:13:06 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 11:13:06 EDT Encoding: 45 Text Message-Id: <9601198247.AA824757360@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Reading all these messages about the treatment of water with magnets, I recall some article where gasoline for cars was treated with magnets too. I remember they even sell a device for magnetic treatment for gasoline. Does anybody has any idea how this could work? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/19/96 11:01 AM >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. (215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the FR> >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it FR> >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not FR> >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the FR> >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a FR> >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the FR> >check. I have been totally satisified! FR> FR> Has the water softening action been measured (i.e. with a DH test FR> kit), or only observed? Cheap DH test kits can be had at local FR> aquarium shops, but you would have to have measurements taken before FR> installation of course. Interesting! I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, increasing its efficiencies. John Draper From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 10:10:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA08017 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com (ix12.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.12]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07904 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma9-05.ix.netcom.com by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA11314; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:38:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:38:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199602191738.JAA11314@ix12.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.877 From: Dennis Lee Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I read a paper which stated that the mechanism behind the failure of neon tubes is believed to be that the gas in the tube gets trapped between the glass and the condensed metal which boils off the electrode. This is how a getter works. However, further analysis found that this does not account for where all of the neon disappears to. The paper concluded that there is no known theory to account for the missing gas. Dennis C. Lee At 05:20 AM 2/19/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:53:44 -0500 (EST), Christopher Comeaux wrote: >[snip] >> >> BUT there is no visible difference between a "worn out" neon tube >>and a new one. In a light bulb, the filaments burn out and break. In >>a neon tube there are just two wires sticking into the gas, which are >>not connected. How can the wires wear out? How can they cease to be >>conductive? The neon glows because the gas is conducting. It seems >>more likely that the gas would stop conducting than the wires! >>cc/impulse >> >> >I suspect that the seal around the edge of the glass eventually leaks >enough air into the bulb, and enough inert gas out of the bulb to >upset the process. >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, >Learns all his life, >And leaves knowing nothing. >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 11:50:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA27144 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from comoro.yorku.ca (comoro.yorku.ca [130.63.236.55]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA27070 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from CALUMET.YORKU.CA (asimov.calumet.yorku.ca [130.63.231.100]) by comoro.yorku.ca (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA23092 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:47:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:47:42 -0500 Received: from ASIMOV-CALUMET/MERCURYMAIL by CALUMET.YORKU.CA (Mercury 1.21); 19 Feb 96 14:47:44 -500 Received: from MERCURYMAIL by ASIMOV-CALUMET (Mercury 1.21); 19 Feb 96 14:47:19 -500 Received: from calres202D.calumet.yorku.ca by CALUMET.YORKU.CA (Mercury 1.21); 19 Feb 96 14:47:17 -500 X-Sender: ccudahy@130.63.231.100 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.878 From: ccudahy@calumet.yorku.ca (Chris Cudahy) Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus Message-ID: <2E228FE3F5C@CALUMET.YORKU.CA> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There really IS a good times virus. But not in the form you think. The virus is really that 'warning' message. You are the 'computer' that it infects. When you forward the warning to others, they become infected too. They only way to not be infected is to delete any message regarding "Good Times" immediatly. I don't know where/when it was started but it's probably one of the most successful computer virus around! Kinda neat actually - With applications getting so advanced, there is lots of talk about people writing application specific virus's which can be spread accross platforms. I think this is the first one of that type :) Chris > > >> >>Bill's list may be aware if this...but just in case... >> >>Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called >>"Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys >>hard-drives. >>The trick apparently is NOT to read it. Delete it immediately. >> >>Jim Francis >>AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH > >Hi, > >This "virus" has been around here in the U.S. for about a year now, I >think. From what I've heard, the only "virus" about it is the rumor, >which has spread all over. Supposedly there is really no "Good Times" >virus. I haven't encountered anyone who has found it, and it isn't on the >list of viruses in the McAfee scanner. > >Has anyone actually been infected by it? It was supposedly in e-mail that >had "Good Times" as the subject matter. I found one such e-mail a while >back and found nothing infectious in it. > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > +--------------------------------------------------------+ |Chris Cudahy | B.SC. CS/Math - getting there| |ccudahy@calumet.yorku.ca | Swim Bike Run Colapse | |http://www-home.calumet.yorku.ca/ccudahy/www/home.htm | ---------------------------------------------------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 14:52:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA01581 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA01455 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:46:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602192246.OAA01455@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:42:53 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.879 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:26 AM 2/19/96 EDT, you wrote: > > I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, > my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get > calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens > of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the > Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your > fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices >to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The >company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that >comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons >of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. >This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the >case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that >the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, >increasing its efficiencies. > > > John Draper > > If I were to tape two neodymium magents on the water pipe, in what way should they be oriented. Someone said with the south-seeking pole facing in, but if there are two, then I suppose they would need to be in separate locations on the pipe somewhere. If they were on opposite sides of the pipe, both facing in, it would weaken them over time, no? I pictured the professsional unit as having more than one magnet, yet all right there in one unit. When the two halves are placed together, do they tend to hold together? Or do they have to be held together while the tie-wraps are put on them? It seems to me that this simple device and its effects demonstrate some of the principles in the "unknown" realm which--if we can understand them--will open a window into a more clear and correct understanding into the way things really are, that we all seek, so that we can then build (in more ways than one) on those principles. Some testing needs to be done to find out what is happening to the calcium, the iron, and so forth in that water. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 19:10:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA21076 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com (ix4.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21059 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix-den12-16.ix.netcom.com by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA04358; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:04:50 -0800 Message-ID: <31293D44.41A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:17:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 834952770.880 From: Chuck Humphrey Organization: NextGeneration Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Brice Perrault's Radiant Energy Device References: <199602192246.OAA01455@mail.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TO Everyone: I recently bought a publication from the International Tesla Society which gave instructions and diagrams on constructing a device which is suppsed to convert the ambiant radiant energy into usable electricity. I called Bruce today in an attempt to learn more about the device and to get the details which were missing from his material. I learned that he has signed some form of agreement with Reed Huish in Arizona who has obtained the rights to manufacture this device. I suspect this is the same technology we have been hearing about from Reed on this list but I can't be sure unless Reed admits it. At any rate I do plan to make this information available to anyone who wants to help me build one of these devices. It is supposed to generate about 40,000 watts and last up to 7 months. It does degenerate and requires re-charging the elemental material used in the contruction. Any opne interested? Chuck -- * NextGeneration Software Chuck Humphrey * * 5023 W 120th Ave #109 Product Manager * * Broomfield, CO 80020 (303) 754-2927 * * Web site: * * e-mail: next-gen@ix.netcom.com From sysop@intermax.com Mon Feb 19 23:48:22 1996 Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA02422 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:17 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.881 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA16456 for bilb@eskimo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:52:01 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D9481FW Tue, Feb 20, 1996 01:34:50 EST Message-Id: <9602200134.D9481FW@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: bilb@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Organization: Intermax Online Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 01:34:50 EST Status: RO X-Status: Does, this group discuss Joseph Newman's Motors? I did some experiments, and am convinced that some of the theory in his book is correct. I would like to here from anyone who was harrassed by the government (or told to shut up) after discussing the implications of his book. I know I was!!! sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 23:56:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA02447 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA02403 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:14 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.882 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA16459 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:52:02 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D0115EV Tue, Feb 20, 1996 01:34:56 EST Message-Id: <9602200134.D0115EV@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Organization: Intermax Online Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 01:34:56 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does, this group discuss Joseph Newman's Motors? I did some experiments, and am convinced that some of the theory in his book is correct. I would like to here from anyone who was harrassed by the government (or told to shut up) after discussing the implications of his book. I know I was!!! sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 23:56:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA02443 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA02387 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.883 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA16455 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:52:00 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D9270Ng Tue, Feb 20, 1996 01:34:49 EST Message-Id: <9602200134.D9270Ng@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Organization: Intermax Online Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 01:34:47 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have always used my tongue to test 9 volt transistor radio batteries. You know it when they are good! Does anyone else do this? sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 19 23:56:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA02497 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA02440 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:48:20 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.884 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA16458 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:52:02 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D9904NE Tue, Feb 20, 1996 01:34:55 EST Message-Id: <9602200134.D9904NE@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Organization: Intermax Online Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 01:34:54 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I have read your post, but unfortunately I had deleted it prior to >replying to this post... >please send me another copy of your previous post, and I will reply >to it point by point. >Robin van Spaandonk I will explain how I came up with the idea. There was once a picture of magnets floating both above and below a superconducting disk in National Geographic, and I saw a similar picture in The Chicago Tribune (2-10-92). The magnet reflection explaination given for a magnet floating above a superconducting disk does not explain why a magnet could float suspended below the superconducting disk. If magnetism is indicative of mass turning into energy, as with magnetic storms on the sun's hot surface, then could superconductivity, be an oposite process that involves energy turning into mass?? If you assume this is true, then you can explain the magnet floating below the superconductor as being held in place by an interaction of forces similar to hydraulic entrapment of debris below a low river dam. By analogy, the magnetic lines of flux (emitted photons) repel the magnet while the incoming photon energy condensing into mass at the superconducting disk would provide an oposing force to hold the magnet in place. Thus the magnet floats (is repeled yet held in place) below the superconducting disk. Think of an interaction of the photon's corkscrew shaped momentum state wave function. Thus I concluded: Manisfestation Cause -------------------- --------- 1. magnetism Mass turning into energy 2. superconductivity Energy turning into mass The photon is the quantum particle of the electromagnetic field, and the mass of a photon is directly porportional to it's frequency. (e=hf and e=mc^2, thus hf=mc^2) What is the frequency of a permanent magnet's field? It must be extremely high (approaching mass) to exert a physical force! I sent these ideas to Kip Thorn on 10-20-92 and never got a reply back. I hope this helps you see how I came up with my explaination for the Starlight plastic as possibly turning energy into mass. David Sligar - president Intermax Online Corporation Cold Spring, KY phone 606-781-0691 sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 02:18:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA03785 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03720 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:15:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602201015.CAA03720@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:02:41 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.885 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Heat absorbing goop Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >I will explain how I came up with the idea. There was once a picture >of magnets floating both above and below a superconducting disk in >National Geographic, and I saw a similar picture in The Chicago Tribune >(2-10-92). The magnet reflection explaination given for a magnet >floating above a superconducting disk does not explain why a magnet >could float suspended below the superconducting disk. Conductors are resistant to any movement within a magnetic field. If you place a neodymium magnet next to a slab of copper, and then try to pull the two apart quickly (like the magnet *below* the superconductor), it's as if they are connected by rubber cement. Try to slam them together (like the magnet *above* the superconductor) and it's as if a cushion or shock absorber is there to slow it down. A magnet near a superconductor is actually moving, albeit very slowly. Beyond that, I am implying nothing here, would like to see it discussed some more. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 06:04:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA12822 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA12776 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:57:32 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.886 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadsx25828; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadsx24683; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:57:27 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA824835470; Tue, 20 Feb 96 08:53:03 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 08:53:03 EDT Encoding: 18 Text Message-Id: <9601208248.AA824835470@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: which book is that? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/20/96 01:34 AM Does, this group discuss Joseph Newman's Motors? I did some experiments, and am convinced that some of the theory in his book is correct. I would like to here from anyone who was harrassed by the government (or told to shut up) after discussing the implications of his book. I know I was!!! sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 07:49:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA00149 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA29962 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:48:55 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.887 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602201548.HAA29962@mail.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: 20 Feb 1996 10:49:48 EDT Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Re: Magnets The trick to clamping them on the pipe is to loosely tie-wrap one end, slide it over the pipe, and while holding one end together, put a tie-wrap through the hole and tighten it up. It is not difficult. If you want some excellent papers on the subject of magnetic water treatment, contact A to Z Industries at (501) 856-3041. Ask for some of their technical papers. I'm sure you will be facinated. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 08:08:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA04102 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from luckier.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA04068 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp63.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.63]) by luckier.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA150 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <312A1B8A.4F4D@nmaa.org> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:05:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.888 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6b (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain References: <9602200134.D9270Ng@intermax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: sysop@intermax.com wrote: > > I have always used my tongue to test 9 volt transistor radio batteries. > You know it when they are good! Does anyone else do this? > > sysop@intermax.com Yes, But I find , Battery Testers, Duracell ElectroChemical testers or DMMs much more accurate and less disturbing to my toung, but it does works for a go - no go test if none of the above are at hand. The saltier the taste, the stronger the bat. But who knows what this is doing to us? _____ _ _ ____ /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 09:51:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA23697 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA23309 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA04642; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:41:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:41:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199602201741.SAA04642@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.889 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:34 20.02.1996 EST, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > >Does, this group discuss Joseph Newman's Motors? >I did some experiments, and am convinced that some >of the theory in his book is correct. > >I would like to here from anyone who was harrassed by the >government (or told to shut up) after discussing the implications >of his book. I know I was!!! > >sysop@intermax.com > Contact me, I know all of the Newman motors. I studied them for about 5 years of my life. I will add a big section about it in my upcoming free energy WEB server, which should be running by end of February. Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 09:51:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA23317 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA23008 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA04659; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:44:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:44:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199602201744.SAA04659@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.890 From: harti@bbtt.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:53 20.02.1996 EDT, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > which book is that? The energy machine of Joseph Newman. Pretty outdated by now. Only a few pages interesting. Newman=B4s technology seems to work only with huge coils which are just too expensive to build, knowing they will only deliver=20 maybe a few Watts overunity energy... Teh new Patterson CF technology is much more interesting ! Regards, Stzefan. > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors >Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail >Date: 02/20/96 01:34 AM > > >Does, this group discuss Joseph Newman's Motors? >I did some experiments, and am convinced that some=20 >of the theory in his book is correct. > =20 >I would like to here from anyone who was harrassed by the=20 >government (or told to shut up) after discussing the implications=20 >of his book. I know I was!!! > =20 >sysop@intermax.com > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 20 23:23:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA14536 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA14507 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:20:59 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.891 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA28873 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:05:49 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D1703mZ Wed, Feb 21, 1996 01:50:11 EST Message-Id: <9602210150.D1703mZ@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Joseph Newman's book Organization: Intermax Online Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 01:50:10 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: When I ordered "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman" the cost was $48.45. for a sixth edition (1990) with about 460 pages. Joseph Westley Newman Route 1, Box 52 Lucedale, Mississippi 39452 Telephone (601) 947-7147 His ideas are awesome, if you can ignore his attitude toward ther reader. Joe Newman should read Roger Penrose's "The Emperors New Mind". Yes, the photon is the quantum particle of the electromagnetic field. Yes, the photon momentum state wave shape is a corkscrew. Yes, by e=mc^2, all photon's must carry some mass, and by e=hf, the mass of a photon is directly porportional to it's frequency. Yes, Joe Newman had it right!!! Buy his book and see a magnets corkscrew "mass in motion" photon fields!!! sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 00:20:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA22124 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp.one.net (uucp.one.net [206.112.192.103]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA22104 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.892 From: sysop@intermax.com Received: from intermax.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.one.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with UUCP id DAA30708 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:05:23 -0500 Received: by intermax.com (UUPM-1.51) id D9629Ta Wed, Feb 21, 1996 02:49:46 EST Message-Id: <9602210249.D9629Ta@intermax.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Joe Newman experiments Organization: Intermax Online Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 02:49:45 EST Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I did a number of experiments where I looked at the size and color temperature of the arc when you disconect a massive coil. I used three heavy (35 pounds each) power transformers connected in series, adding one at a time. I found that for the same power input you get a bigger higher color temperature arc as you increase the mass of the coils in the series circuit. This inductive kick arc was dependent on the coil mass in the circuit. More mass gave you a higher color temperature arc, and thus more energy, as energy is porportional to frequency. e=hf. I also did some experiments with small coils in series with small low voltage motors (motors with fine wire brushes, not wide carbon brushes) and got large resonate power surges at certain voltages. I videotaped this experiment and sent copies to Rayovac Corp. (Pat Spellman) and Roger Hastings who had testified on Joe Newman's behalf. I will post exactly what I used in my experiments when I get time to dig out my notes. I have not done any experiments recently, but have been reading many books to see what I else I could learn. My general conclusion is that Joe Newman's magnetic field model is wonderful, but his motors need so much coil mass to get any significant excess energy, which is mostly radio frequency energy, and thus very hard to capture and do anything useful with. David Sligar sysop@intermax.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 01:31:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA00930 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00910 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:27:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602210927.BAA00910@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:15:48 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.893 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:49 AM 2/20/96 EDT, you wrote: >Re: Magnets > >The trick to clamping them on the pipe is to loosely tie-wrap one end, >slide it over the pipe, and while holding one end together, put a >tie-wrap through the hole and tighten it up. It is not difficult. > No disrespect intended, this does not answer my question of how the magnets are oriented, opposing or what. Thankyou. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 01:56:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA02864 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA02853 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:55:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602210955.BAA02853@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:44:10 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.894 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Big Brother Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:23 AM 2/21/96 EST, you wrote: > >>This is a test. My last postings did not get posted, perhaps it's the >>big brother Government Bastards. Let Freedom Ring in America! > >Please ignore this, my last postings seem to have come thru. > >sysop@intermax.com > > Please explain how the government (presumably) tried to silence you for being involved with the Newman Motor, or for discussing it. If I wanted to market something, and had little concern for ethics, I might try to present myself as a victim to create the flashback reaction from people (thesis, antithesis, synthesis, where all actions are controlled by the same party to steer the sheep), and so I would merely like more information to become satisfied that this is not one of those kind of recipes. Gracias, GH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 03:31:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09317 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09300 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19310 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:27 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602211131.DAA19310@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:30:59 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.895 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Re: magnet virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: regarding use of magnets on gas lines: About seven years ago I enlisted the assistance of a major manufacturing company in Japan (metal tubes and oem machining) to test magnetic effects and catalytic effects on reconditioned Toyotas. They faithfully ran seven Toyatas of varying mileage around and around a track under extremely well defined conditions to test the effects. There were no effects except for a slight increase in effective mileage (2%) for autos running with a "catalytic" tube in the gasline, which introduced platinum ions into the gas stream. This was consistant with other research which shows that platinum ions create a better burn and thus more mileage. Who can afford it, though? What we learned: The magnets on gaslines was, is, and forevermore shall be a recurring scam...a mental virus. There are a lot of mental virii out there. At 03:42 PM 2/19/96 +0800, you wrote: >At 09:26 AM 2/19/96 EDT, you wrote: > >> >> I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, >> my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get >> calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens >> of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the >> Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your >> fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices >>to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The >>company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that >>comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons >>of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. >>This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the >>case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that >>the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, >>increasing its efficiencies. >> >> >> John Draper >> >> > >If I were to tape two neodymium magents on the water pipe, in what >way should they be oriented. Someone said with the south-seeking >pole facing in, but if there are two, then I suppose they would need >to be in separate locations on the pipe somewhere. If they were >on opposite sides of the pipe, both facing in, it would weaken them >over time, no? > >I pictured the professsional unit as having more than one magnet, >yet all right there in one unit. When the two halves are placed >together, do they tend to hold together? Or do they have to be >held together while the tie-wraps are put on them? > >It seems to me that this simple device and its effects demonstrate >some of the principles in the "unknown" realm which--if we can >understand them--will open a window into a more clear and correct >understanding into the way things really are, that we all seek, so >that we can then build (in more ways than one) on those principles. > >Some testing needs to be done to find out what is happening to >the calcium, the iron, and so forth in that water. > >Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 03:31:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09342 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09330 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19316 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:38 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602211131.DAA19316@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:31:09 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.896 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Possible health effects of microwaved foods. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:18 PM 2/18/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >>> > BTW, I always wondered why neon tubes (eg. NE2's or Signs) seem to >>> > eventually wear out and blink. What wears out? All there is inside the >>> > tubes is the gas and the electrodes. Perhaps the gas transmutes? >>> No transmutation according to accepted theory. The reason why neon >>> lights wear out is because the electrodes wear out, sort of like how the >>> electrodes in light bulbs eventually wear out ( the little wire electrode >>> that heats to provide the light in the light bulb in the first place ). >>> Inert gas compounds are a 'recent' innovation in chemistry, and I would >>> guess are not too stable due to the fact that they electrochemically >>> 'overloaded'. God that sounds bad, but I'm REALLY not a ( physical ) >>> chemistry major. Any more exact terms out there from any of you? >>> >> >> BUT there is no visible difference between a "worn out" neon tube >>and a new one. In a light bulb, the filaments burn out and break. In >>a neon tube there are just two wires sticking into the gas, which are >>not connected. How can the wires wear out? How can they cease to be >>conductive? The neon glows because the gas is conducting. It seems >>more likely that the gas would stop conducting than the wires! >>cc/impulse > >In 10 years of electronics repair I have seen many neon bulbs which have >blackeded inside; very similar to the blackening of a regular 6 or 12 >volt incandescent bulb fed by DC. > >I always assumed it was a similar effect ... some of the metal from the >electrodes boiled off and deposited on the inside of the glass envelope; >it just took longer (some of these neon bulbs had been in equipment for >30 years or longer.) > >Any better ideas? > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > nah, you've got explained right above ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 03:31:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09335 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09315 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19314 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:34 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602211131.DAA19314@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:31:06 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.897 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: magnets do not work on gaslines check out my post "Magnet Virii" At 11:13 AM 2/19/96 EDT, you wrote: > Reading all these messages about the treatment of water with magnets, > I recall some article where gasoline for cars was treated with magnets > too. I remember they even sell a device for magnetic treatment for > gasoline. Does anybody has any idea how this could work? > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. >Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail >Date: 02/19/96 11:01 AM > > > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. > (215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the >FR> >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it >FR> >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not >FR> >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the >FR> >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a >FR> >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the >FR> >check. I have been totally satisified! >FR> >FR> Has the water softening action been measured (i.e. with a DH test >FR> kit), or only observed? Cheap DH test kits can be had at local >FR> aquarium shops, but you would have to have measurements taken before >FR> installation of course. Interesting! > > > I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, > my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get > calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens > of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the > Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your > fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices >to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The >company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that >comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons >of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. >This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the >case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that >the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, >increasing its efficiencies. > > > John Draper > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 08:49:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA06895 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA06826 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.898 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA22555; Wed, 21 Feb 96 11:37:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA824931822; Wed, 21 Feb 96 11:38:22 EST Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 11:38:22 EST Message-Id: <9601218249.AA824931822@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Newman Experiments. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I did a number of experiments where I looked at the size and color >temperature of the arc when you disconect a massive coil. I used >three heavy (35 pounds each) power transformers connected in series, >adding one at a time. I found that for the same power input you get >a bigger higher color temperature arc as you increase the mass of the >coils in the series circuit. This inductive kick arc was dependent >on the coil mass in the circuit. More mass gave you a higher color >temperature arc, and thus more energy, as energy is porportional to >frequency. e=hf. From the description of this experiment, I cannot understand how you reached the conclusions given. As you increased the mass, you actually increased the total inductance and energy of the experiment. Not mass alone. If mass is related to energy, I should expect to see differences in behavior between inductors of the same total inductance, but manufactured with differing core materials with different masses. For example, a inductor of 100 uH with an air core vs, a 100 uH inductor with a ferrite or other solid core material. In my experience, only the Q of these different inductors differs, not the energy storage capacity. Was there any control sample in these experiments? Was total inductance kept constant with differing masses? If not, the claim is not proven by the experiment as described. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 08:50:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA07683 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dewey.mindlink.net (dewey.mindlink.net [204.174.16.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA07667 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from line032.nwm.mindlink.net by dewey.mindlink.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #16) id m0tpHjg-0003V4C; Wed, 21 Feb 96 08:49 PST Message-Id: X-Sender: Byrun_Fox@pop.mindlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:15:41 -0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.899 From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) Subject: Re: fnrg: Joe Newman experiments Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear David; You wrote; > This inductive kick arc was dependent on the coil >mass in the circuit. More mass gave you a higher color temperature >arc, and thus more energy, as energy is porportional to frequency. >e=hf. > Help me understand a little here, (i am dense about a few things). Are you talking specifically about the mass of the core or the coil and what effect would altering each mass have? It isn't the transformer per se that changes frequency is it? Does the arc change the frequency? Does it change the fundamental freq. or add harmonics, or just give you a broad spectrum of noise. Could you hook up a series of trans. then arc then trans then arc, etc. and get progressively higher frequencies and power values. Maybe newman's motor is totally unnecessary, you only need an appropriately arranged series of trans and arcs. How did you know the color temp. Are you just eyeballing it? If you had a series of step up trans and arcs then a series of step down trans would you not be able to get over unity according to newmans idea. Thanks for help in understanding, byrun. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 08:54:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id IAA08515 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dewey.mindlink.net (dewey.mindlink.net [204.174.16.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA08495 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from line032.nwm.mindlink.net by dewey.mindlink.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #16) id m0tpHny-0003VeC; Wed, 21 Feb 96 08:54 PST Message-Id: X-Sender: Byrun_Fox@pop.mindlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:20:07 -0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.900 From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) Subject: Re: fnrg: Joe Newman experiments Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear David; I just thought of another question, isn't the newman motor virtualy the same as the adams motor only with giant coils. Thanks, Byrun. > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 21 21:42:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA16658 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA16641 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:39:28 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.901 From: Russparker@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01659 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:38:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <960222003809_428701668@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is the infamous fake virus that started on America on-line. IT WAS A HOAX. The virus did not exist. Anyone with AOL should be aware of this since AOL had to expend some effort to counter this hoax. If you don't believe me, more information on this supposed virus can be found on AOL in their member services area. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 02:33:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA21098 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA21092 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from t31.dialup.peg.apc.org (t31.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.159]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id VAA05519 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:20:43 +1000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:20:43 +1000 Message-Id: <199602221120.VAA05519@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.902 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Something Different!! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I found an interesting site which might interest list members.... It's a patented cure for a common cold. Apparently there are two types of patents the US patent office won't consider...perpetual motion machines and cures for common colds. The guy who developed this cure gave it to the US patent office staff when they were all down with flu and colds...it worked so well they issued him with a patent. The idea of drawing it to the attention of Bill's list is that I understand distribution agencies might be available...could be a money spinner with a guaranteed market.. It's on http://www.coldcure.com/ Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL-MIND RESEARCH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 05:21:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA06479 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from luckier.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA06454 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.91.49.132] by luckier.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA131 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <312C96C3.6596@nmaa.org> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:16:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.903 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6b (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Virus Hoax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FYI: The "Good Times" virus is a hoax. ADYER wrote: > > The "Good Times" virus is a hoax. There is a mail message that > describes it's properties at some length, a lot of what is described > is impossible. However, it sounds plausible and frightening to non- > experts, who forward the message to all their friends, colleagues, > students etc., and the legend lives on. > > What is worse, the message often gets forwarded with "Good Times" as > the subject. As this is the described method of recognising the > infected message, many people genuinely believe that they narrowly > avoided being infected themselves by deleting such a message. > > Please help to reassure people about this hoax. > > > >To: "F-PROT by DataFellows of Finland. TechHelp" > > FYI: > > > > Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus > > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:54:46 -0600 (CST) > > From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) > > Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > > > > Zack Widup wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Bill's list may be aware if this...but just in case... > > > > > > > >Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called > > > >"Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys > > > >hard-drives. > > > >The trick apparently is NOT to read it. Delete it immediately. > > > > > > > >Jim Francis > > > >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This "virus" has been around here in the U.S. for about a year now, I > > > think. From what I've heard, the only "virus" about it is the rumor, > > > which has spread all over. Supposedly there is really no "Good Times" > > > virus. I haven't encountered anyone who has found it, and it isn't on the > > > list of viruses in the McAfee scanner. > > > > > > Has anyone actually been infected by it? It was supposedly in e-mail that > > > had "Good Times" as the subject matter. I found one such e-mail a while > > > back and found nothing infectious in it. > > > > > > Zack > > > w9sz@prairienet.org > > > > -- > > > > _____ _ _ ____ > > /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 > > \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 > > (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Allan Dyer | Internet: adyer@yuikee.com.hk > Technical Consultant | MHS: adyer@yuikee > Yui Kee Co. Ltd. | URL: http://www.hk.super.net/~agdyer Spread the truth, _____ _ _ ____ /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 05:47:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id FAA09785 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA09770 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id FAA28968; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:47:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:47:25 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.904 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus In-Reply-To: <199602191454.IAA24870@firefly.prairienet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Zack Widup wrote: > This "virus" has been around here in the U.S. for about a year now, I > think. From what I've heard, the only "virus" about it is the rumor, > which has spread all over. Supposedly there is really no "Good Times" > virus. I haven't encountered anyone who has found it, and it isn't on the > list of viruses in the McAfee scanner. > > Has anyone actually been infected by it? It was supposedly in e-mail that > had "Good Times" as the subject matter. I found one such e-mail a while > back and found nothing infectious in it. > The virus specialists traced the origin to one particular system where the user incorrectly thought an email message was the cause of some problem. The rumor took off from there. It apparently is a true urban legend, not an intentionally-created hoax. It is a virus, but one which infects human brains and spreads using ANY form of communication, not just computers! ;) ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 18:06:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA13041 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxx.mc.net (root@maxx.mc.net [206.138.8.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13010 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from d3001.mc.net (d3001.mc.net [206.138.13.101]) by maxx.mc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA21937 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:04:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199602230204.UAA21937@maxx.mc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.905 From: "Robert Sciog" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:17:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: fnrg: (Fwd) Invention Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Seems my first post might not have got through...... In responce to the discussion on ther startlight material I emailed the Discovery channel for information on stralight. (they had a spot on their INVENTIONS program about it.) Here is the responce I received, for those who are interesed. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To: rsciog From: Sheryl Hatch Date: 20 Feb 96 15:14:18 ES Subject: Invention No, there are no transcripts possible, but I can tell you how to reach the inventor of Starlite Polymer: Mr. Maurice Ward 8 Northbrook Court PO Box 34 Hartlepool TS26 ODJ United Kingdom +----------------+----------------------------------------+ | Robert Sciog | | | rsciog@mc.net | | +----------------+----------------------------------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 20:23:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA04456 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04384 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from s4c0p4.aa.net (d104.aa.net [204.157.220.104]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA25663 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:18:24 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602230418.UAA25663@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:21:32 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.906 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: (Fwd) Invention Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:17 PM 2/21/96 +0000, you wrote: >Seems my first post might not have got through...... > >In responce to the discussion on ther startlight material I emailed the >Discovery channel for information on stralight. (they had a spot on their >INVENTIONS program about it.) Here is the responce I received, for those who >are interesed. > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >To: rsciog >From: Sheryl Hatch >Date: 20 Feb 96 15:14:18 ES >Subject: Invention > >No, there are no transcripts possible, but I can tell you how to reach the >inventor of Starlite Polymer: > >Mr. Maurice Ward >8 Northbrook Court >PO Box 34 >Hartlepool TS26 ODJ >United Kingdom > >+----------------+----------------------------------------+ >| Robert Sciog | | >| rsciog@mc.net | | >+----------------+----------------------------------------+ > > Thank you Robert for sharing this little item...I think I will have a go at contacting him unless somebody in England beats me to the punch. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 21:49:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA18533 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA18487 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p3.aa.net (s1c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.167]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA32700 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:44:22 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602230544.VAA32700@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:48:02 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.907 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 06:37 PM 2/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >> I had a >>steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of metallic >>flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon >>handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the >>bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the >>metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped >>the other against the spoon? Only a slight flavor noticed, but MY VISION >>PULSED! >> >>What the hell?! It doesn't seem to be from twitches in face or eye >>muscles. The current was measured to be around 300uA, below the threshold >>where it can be sensed. Maybe it contracts iris muscles? Or maybe this >>low current is directly affecting the retina or nervous system? Yes, >>directing a third of a mA pulse into a spoon in your mouth obviously >>causes currents in your brain. > >Bill, > >This effect was described in a scientific journal some years ago. I'm >sorry, but I don't have the reference at hand. I remember stumbling across >it as a graduate student while I was supposed to be reading something else. >Of course, I had to try it. The experimenters applied electrodes to >various positions on the face and imposed a current-limited square wave >pulse across the electrodes. Variations in the pulse frequency and pulse >length generated reports of various types of flashes and geometrical >designs. I immediately went to the lab, breadboarded a battery-powered >pulse generator using a 555 timer chip, put a 10-meg pot in the output >line, and started applying EEG-electrodes to my face. It worked just as >the article described. > >The article presented a reasonable arguement for this being an effect of >directly stimulating the retinal cells. After all, they are quite >sensitive to very small levels of photic input, so it makes sense that they >might also detect other types of energy. I believe I've read that they >respond to pulsating magnetic fields in a similar manner. > >I AM NOT recommending that anyone else try this. Even small amounts of >current imposed across the brain can be quite dangerious! > > > > > > >R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. >Clinical and Corporate Psychologist >42 Lenox Pointe >Atlanta, GA 30324 >404-237-3883 > > > It can go further than this. In the right locations, current flow can go straight away to stimulate action of the pineal, inducing euphoria, and an astounding alteration of consciousness..."third eye" Interested? What is necessary is a low cost generator of the proper outputs, which I can specify precisely. I have not experimented much with this stuff in recent years as I have developed certain meditational pathways. However, mental skills are not alone sufficient to deal with the load of suffering in today's humanity. Perhaps there is an interest in a shareware design for a LOW COST emf oscillator of the proper outputs. I am sick to death of the jerks who package $50 worth of electronics into black boxes which they market for $2000. Any electronics people out there willing to cooperate in the specification of a shareware design? If so, I'll define an output table based on my knowledge of what is being done with medical electronics and various medical research projects. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 21:49:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA18537 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA18494 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c0p3.aa.net (s1c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.167]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA32683 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:44:20 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602230544.VAA32683@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:47:59 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.908 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 06:50 AM 2/18/96 -0800, you wrote: >At 09:38 PM 2/17/96 -0800, you wrote: > > >>I had a steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of >metallic >>flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon >>handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the >>bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the >>metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped >>the other against the spoon? > > >If you make the spoon the positive side of the circuit, you will have a >useful device. Plaque is charged negatively. The +9V on the spoon will >electrostatically pull the plaque out of your mouth and onto the spoon. > > >Dennis Lee > > Dennis, this is a very intriguing concept. Currently I floss, brush, use listerine, and also swish for at least five minutes a day with weak solution of hydrogen pyroxide mixed with colloidal silver water, all in a last ditch desperate effort to hold onto what is left of my uppers. Things are a lot more stable than they were but I would like stronger action in the pockets below the gum line. Mechanical action at the dentist's office every six months is in my opinion not really adequate. (I had crappy teeth genes to start with and a crappy attitude when I was young about maintenance). So how would the hydrogen pyroxide work along with the charge? Or, what else could be used as a liquid or gell to curry the emf, salt water? Do you have any detailed knowledge of this stuff? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 22 23:02:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA28953 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (choi@virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.150.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA28915 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (choi@localhost) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.6.11/8.6.5) id BAA12991; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:50:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:50:12 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.909 From: "Charles Choi (SAR)" X-Sender: choi@virtu To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain In-Reply-To: <199602230544.VAA32683@big.aa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Dennis, this is a very intriguing concept. Currently I floss, brush, use > listerine, and also swish for at least five minutes a day with weak solution > of hydrogen pyroxide mixed with colloidal silver water, all in a last ditch > So how would the hydrogen pyroxide work along with the charge? Or, what > else could be used as a liquid or gell to curry the emf, salt water? Do you > have any detailed knowledge of this stuff? Well, um, last I heard, hydrogen peroxide was EXTREMELY toxic. A weak solution probably means that it's pretty damn near all dissociated, but hearing that sorta gives me goose bumps. Everything else sounds peachy. Post you message up at alt.dentistry or something ( in seriousness ); something would come of it. Sincerely. Quentin Holte. ( aka Charles Choi. ) You are all the Buddha. - Last words of Buddha. If you see the Buddha, kill him. - Zen proverb. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 01:56:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id BAA17242 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA17213 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-29.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-29.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.29]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA14214 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:53:53 +1100 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.910 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: (Fwd) Invention Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:58:05 GMT Organization: Improving Message-Id: <312d76ac.31299780@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <199602230204.UAA21937@maxx.mc.net> In-Reply-To: <199602230204.UAA21937@maxx.mc.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:17:13 +0000, Robert Sciog wrote: >Seems my first post might not have got through...... > >In responce to the discussion on ther startlight material I emailed the >Discovery channel for information on stralight. (they had a spot on their >INVENTIONS program about it.) Here is the responce I received, for those who >are interesed. > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >To: rsciog >From: Sheryl Hatch >Date: 20 Feb 96 15:14:18 ES >Subject: Invention > >No, there are no transcripts possible, but I can tell you how to reach the >inventor of Starlite Polymer: > >Mr. Maurice Ward >8 Northbrook Court >PO Box 34 >Hartlepool TS26 ODJ >United Kingdom > >+----------------+----------------------------------------+ >| Robert Sciog | | >| rsciog@mc.net | | >+----------------+----------------------------------------+ > It would probably be a coutesy, if not everyone on this list wrote to him. So perhaps if one person could write, and then post the response, or even get him to join the list? Robert, since you appear to have already taken the initiative, you may already have written. Yes? Regards, Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 03:14:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA23123 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 03:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA23100 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 03:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from t55.dialup.peg.apc.org (t55.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.183]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id WAA11658 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:13:01 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:13:01 +1000 Message-Id: <199602231213.WAA11658@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.911 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Something Different!! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all those who got that Remote Viewing file off me (about 40 of you).. there is now a school of RVing available for those interested. The owner of this school was apparently one of the people who did RV work for the CIA. He is regarded as being one of the best.. http://atc.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/courses.html I've also put up a lot of new material on my own new mall......(still under construction) Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL THINKING MALL http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 06:10:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id GAA07278 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA07264 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p3.aa.net (s3c0p3.aa.net [204.157.220.135]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA19791 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:10:00 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602231410.GAA19791@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:09:28 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.912 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: (Fwd) Invention Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:58 AM 2/23/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:17:13 +0000, Robert Sciog wrote: > >>Seems my first post might not have got through...... >> >>In responce to the discussion on ther startlight material I emailed the >>Discovery channel for information on stralight. (they had a spot on their >>INVENTIONS program about it.) Here is the responce I received, for those who >>are interesed. >> >> >>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >>To: rsciog >>From: Sheryl Hatch >>Date: 20 Feb 96 15:14:18 ES >>Subject: Invention >> >>No, there are no transcripts possible, but I can tell you how to reach the >>inventor of Starlite Polymer: >> >>Mr. Maurice Ward >>8 Northbrook Court >>PO Box 34 >>Hartlepool TS26 ODJ >>United Kingdom >> >>+----------------+----------------------------------------+ >>| Robert Sciog | | >>| rsciog@mc.net | | >>+----------------+----------------------------------------+ >> >It would probably be a coutesy, if not everyone on this list wrote to >him. So perhaps if one person could write, and then post the response, >or even get him to join the list? >Robert, since you appear to have already taken the initiative, you may >already have written. Yes? > >Regards, > > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, >Learns all his life, >And leaves knowing nothing. >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > yes, Robin, excellant Robert, have you written him? ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 07:31:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA18814 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA18778 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id KAA25232 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:30:34 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:34:01 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.914 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>This effect was described in a scientific journal some years ago. I'm >>sorry, but I don't have the reference at hand. I remember stumbling across >>it as a graduate student while I was supposed to be reading something else. >>Of course, I had to try it. The experimenters applied electrodes to >>various positions on the face and imposed a current-limited square wave >>pulse across the electrodes. Variations in the pulse frequency and pulse >>length generated reports of various types of flashes and geometrical >>designs. I immediately went to the lab, breadboarded a battery-powered >>pulse generator using a 555 timer chip, put a 10-meg pot in the output >>line, and started applying EEG-electrodes to my face. It worked just as >>the article described. >> >>The article presented a reasonable arguement for this being an effect of >>directly stimulating the retinal cells. After all, they are quite >>sensitive to very small levels of photic input, so it makes sense that they >>might also detect other types of energy. I believe I've read that they >>respond to pulsating magnetic fields in a similar manner. >> >>I AM NOT recommending that anyone else try this. Even small amounts of >>current imposed across the brain can be quite dangerious! >> >> >> >> >> >> >>R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. >>Clinical and Corporate Psychologist >>42 Lenox Pointe >>Atlanta, GA 30324 >>404-237-3883 >> >> >> > >It can go further than this. In the right locations, current flow can go >straight away to stimulate action of the pineal, inducing euphoria, and an >astounding alteration of consciousness..."third eye" > >Interested? What is necessary is a low cost generator of the proper outputs, >which I can specify precisely. I have not experimented much with this stuff >in recent years as I have developed certain meditational pathways. However, >mental skills are not alone sufficient to deal with the load of suffering in >today's humanity. Perhaps there is an interest in a shareware design for a >LOW COST emf oscillator of the proper outputs. I am sick to death of the >jerks who package $50 worth of electronics into black boxes which they >market for $2000. > >Any electronics people out there willing to cooperate in the specification >of a shareware design? If so, I'll define an output table based on my >knowledge of what is being done with medical electronics and various medical >research projects. >____________________________________ >MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >Michael Mandeville, publisher >mwm@aa.net >http://www.aa.net/~mwm Michael, You are very right. There are a number of psychological effects that can be induced with small amplitude signals applied directly to the scalp. This area of research is sometimes called intracranial stimulation. There has been some success in using these to counteract the discomfort of drug and alcohol withdrawal. I would be interested in the information you are willin to share. The commercial devices do seem overpriced. However, it would be necessary to build in some failsafe methods for limiting current flow. Also, there is a danger of inducing seizure activity in individuals who are predisposed. (This is also true for photic stimulators.) Users would need to know that we really have no good data on long-term use of these devices. Regards, Michael R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 07:35:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA19490 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA19460 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma9-16.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA26018; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:33:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:33:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199602231533.HAA26018@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.915 From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:47 PM 2/23/96 +0800, you wrote: >Dennis, this is a very intriguing concept. Currently I floss, brush, use >listerine, and also swish for at least five minutes a day with weak solution >of hydrogen pyroxide mixed with colloidal silver water, all in a last ditch >desperate effort to hold onto what is left of my uppers. Things are a lot >more stable than they were but I would like stronger action in the pockets >below the gum line. Mechanical action at the dentist's office every six >months is in my opinion not really adequate. (I had crappy teeth genes to >start with and a crappy attitude when I was young about maintenance). > >So how would the hydrogen pyroxide work along with the charge? Or, what >else could be used as a liquid or gell to curry the emf, salt water? Do you >have any detailed knowledge of this stuff? >____________________________________ The TV infomercial of the Ionic Toothbrush said that tap water was the only required electrolyte. The infomercials stopped running about 6 months ago. Has anyone actually bought one of these $40.00 toothbrushes? P.S. Due to a number of inquires, I'd like to state here that I am not the Thermodynamic Dennis Lee. I am, in fact, the Zero Point Energy Dennis C. Lee (of Asian descent). From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 11:08:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA25384 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA25345 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:07:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602231907.LAA25345@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:54:22 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.916 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Something Different!! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:13 PM 2/23/96 +1000, you wrote: >To all those who got that Remote Viewing file off me (about 40 of you).. >there is now a school of RVing available for those interested. The owner of >this school was apparently one of the people who did RV work for the CIA. >He is regarded as being one of the best.. > >http://atc.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/courses.html > >I've also put up a lot of new material on my own new mall......(still under >construction) > >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL THINKING MALL >http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking > > > Jim, I am curious about something. Do you also work for the CIA, or have you in the past? I don't consider that a negative like some would, I'm just curious. It's very important work, although it is interesting that a caller to the Art Bell radio show last night who works for the CIA said that the stresses of the job are so vigorous that many of them are alcoholics. Anyway, if you'd have to kill me if you told me, well, heh-heh, I guess I can live without knowing. Cheers, gh From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 13:47:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id NAA20184 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA20148 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:30:43 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.917 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com by nectech.com with SMTP (5.65/29-nectech) id AA04237; Fri, 23 Feb 96 16:22:38 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA825121631; Fri, 23 Feb 96 16:14:59 EST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 16:14:59 EST Message-Id: <9601238251.AA825121631@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com, mwm@aa.net Subject: fnrg: Re: Applying voltage across ones brain. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >It can go further than this. In the right locations, current flow >can go straight away to stimulate action of the pineal, inducing >euphoria, and an astounding alteration of consciousness..."third eye" > >Interested? What is necessary is a low cost generator of the proper >outputs, which I can specify precisely. I have not experimented much >with this stuff in recent years as I have developed certain >meditational pathways. However, mental skills are not alone >sufficient to deal with the load of suffering in today's humanity. >Perhaps there is an interest in a shareware design for a LOW COST emf >oscillator of the proper outputs. I am sick to death of the jerks >who package $50 worth of electronics into black boxes which they >market for $2000. > >Any electronics people out there willing to cooperate in the >specification of a shareware design? If so, I'll define an output >table based on my knowledge of what is being done with medical >electronics and various medical research projects. You bet! I'm quite interested in TENS, CES, and other entrainment technologies. I would really like to know the electrode placement, frequency and duty cycles used to stimulate the pineal, as well as other locations you may have had experience with. I'd be glad to CAD up schematics, etc. (I'm a registered Protel Schematic 3 user) and produce laser printed copies for interested persons. I agree with the sentiments expressed, one popular $300 entrainment device is nothing more than a 555 timer chip and a few resistors and capacitors. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 14:14:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA27775 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA27759 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:14:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.918 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602232214.OAA27759@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 89e80.wrk; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:15:16 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fnrg: Something Different!! To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <133488@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jim, is it too late to get a copy of this file? John Draper Greenville, SC johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 14:40:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA02199 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02170 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id OAA22212; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:37:50 -0800 Received: from wolves.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA19358; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:37:45 -0800 Received: by wolves.EBay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00734; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:37:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:37:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.919 From: Michael.Miller@ebay.sun.com (Michael D. Miller) Message-Id: <9602232237.AA00734@wolves.EBay.Sun.COM> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: psionics X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Is anyone on this alias familiar with the pacer devices put out by Lord Industries? They have types of devices which send a different frequency through each ear, thus according to them, causing a third frequency which can induce alpha states or other states depending on the frequencies used. They also sell radionic devices. I would be interested if anyone has tried these as well. Thanks in advance for any input, comments, criticisms, etc. When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ () () () () () () () () () /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ .-##..___.##--..__##.---..##_..---##___..-##..___.##--..__##.---..##_. .-|//___..|//.___.|//-.___|//--.__|//---._|//.---.|//..---|//_..--|//_ .---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---._ .---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__ .--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.michael.miller@ebay.sun.com SUN MICROsystems--MIL12-04--2550 GARCIA AVE--MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94043-1100 It's no good, it's no good say the buyer; Then off he goes and boasts about his purchase. -- Proverbs 20:14 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 18:29:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA09930 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA09915 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id VAA12922 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:27 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:31:53 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.920 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: psionics Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is anyone on this alias familiar with the pacer devices put out by Lord >Industries? > >They have types of devices which send a different frequency through each >ear, thus according to them, causing a third frequency which can induce >alpha states or other states depending on the frequencies used. I'm not familiar with Lord Industries, but I am familiar with binaural beat techniques. Robert Monroe pioneered much of this work and has some patents on it. Various combinations of binaural beats can be used to induce different states of consciousness. Some combinations have even been used as introductory training for remote viewing. More information is available on the Monroe Institute web page: http://www.monroe-inst.com/ Regards, Michael R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 18:31:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA10451 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10408 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from t14.dialup.peg.apc.org (t14.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.142]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id NAA00584 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:30:38 +1000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:30:38 +1000 Message-Id: <199602240330.NAA00584@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.921 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: psionics Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is anyone on this alias familiar with the pacer devices put out by Lord >Industries? > >They have types of devices which send a different frequency through each >ear, thus according to them, causing a third frequency which can induce >alpha states or other states depending on the frequencies used. > >They also sell radionic devices. I would be interested if anyone has >tried these as well. > >Thanks in advance for any input, comments, criticisms, etc. The original patent for this frequency following effect is held by the Monroe Institute as far as I know. They sell cassette tapes which have slightly different frequencies entering each ear...this produces a beat frequency inside the brain as an electrical impules. I've tried a couple of these tapes...they certainly work. Check "Monroe" on the net...they're at Virginia, USA. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND GROUP From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 19:15:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA16668 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA16638 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:14:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602240314.TAA16638@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6012; Fri, 23 Feb 96 22:15:09 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7078; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:15:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 22:10:13 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.922 From: Brian Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:48:02 +0800 from Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Howdy! The prospect of developing a simple electronic euphoria stimulator sounds very good to me! I am a senior BSEE student. I do not profess to know all there is about electronic engineering, but I have had a good deal of experience. I would love to experiment with your specifications. If this idea sounds agreeable to you, please feel free to email me personally to make arrangements. -Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 19:34:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA19332 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxx.mc.net (root@maxx.mc.net [206.138.8.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA19322 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from d3005.mc.net (d3005.mc.net [206.138.13.105]) by maxx.mc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA15139 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:33:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199602240333.VAA15139@maxx.mc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.923 From: "Robert Sciog" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:45:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fnrg: (Fwd) Invention Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > It would probably be a coutesy, if not everyone on this list wrote to > him. So perhaps if one person could write, and then post the response, > or even get him to join the list? > Robert, since you appear to have already taken the initiative, you may > already have written. Yes? > Since I only received the responce 3 days ago, I have not written yet. I do feel it is a courtesy that he not be flooded with mail from the list. In the INVENTION interview they showed him at his desk with piles of letters. I will take the initiative to contact him and post the results to all of those on the list. I will also invite him to join in on discussions if he has access and see's fit. +----------------+----------------------------------------+ | Robert Sciog |Controllink Inc. | | | rsciog@mc.com |System engineering & integration | | | clink@mcs.net | | +----------------+----------------------------------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Fri Feb 23 23:55:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id XAA23955 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA23904 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham1.netconnect.com.au (horsham1.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.41]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18323 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 18:59:21 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 18:59:21 +1100 Message-Id: <199602240759.SAA18323@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.924 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: fnrg: Electronic learning device. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi everyone, A while ago someone posted some info on some form of electronic learning (teaching?) device. Anyway I was wondering if someone could tell me exactly what the device was all about, and send me any info on it, if you know what i'm refering to. Thanks, Chris. ccarter@netconnect.com.au From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 24 13:40:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA23758 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA23740 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.execpc.com (bpaddock@earth-le1.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02972 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:36:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bpaddock@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7) id PAA10219; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:37:08 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.925 From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 414 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article , you wrote: >> I had a >>steel spoon in my mouth and was trying to give myself pulses of metallic >>flavor by applying coins to wet skin and connecting them to the spoon >>handle with clipleads (which didn't work, by the way, ) when I had the >>bright idea to check the effect with a 9v battery. How bad would the >>metallic taste be if I touched one terminal with a wet finger and tapped >>the other against the spoon? Only a slight flavor noticed, but MY VISION >>PULSED! >> >>What the hell?! It doesn't seem to be from twitches in face or eye >>muscles. The current was measured to be around 300uA, below the threshold >>where it can be sensed. Maybe it contracts iris muscles? Or maybe this >>low current is directly affecting the retina or nervous system? Yes, >>directing a third of a mA pulse into a spoon in your mouth obviously >>causes currents in your brain. I've got some comments about this thread of messages (There are three different items in this very long message, from short to long): ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** 1) Rather than experimenting to find out what different polarities/waveforms/current types (AC vers DC) do, use a raw egg in a bowl before moving on to zapping your self. You might change your mind when you see that certain settings turn the egg in to hard rock, or any other setting turn turns it in to a runny water like state. Ask at any one (my wife for example) that uses a TENS unit for pain control what they think about the skin sores that they cause... You might change your mind about this line of experimentation... ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** 2) There is a mailing list that covers this kind of Lets Zap Our Self and See What happens called mind-l, here is the Subscription information: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings and Welcome. You have been added to list mind-l@gate.net. Mind-l rises from the ashes. Alive in '95! We look forward to receiving your contributions to this forum on neurotechnology and related subjects (let your conscience be your guide... no moderator this time around). Topics include (but are not limited to) L/S (light&sound) machines, Cranial Electrical Stimulation, Biofeedback, smart nutrients, sensory deprivation, float tanks, pulsed magnetic field generators, etc. If any of these terms are unfamiliar to you, just ask. You'll find no shortage of information here. Plenty of far out concepts and wired participants. So let the games begin! Feel free to introduce yourself and your interests. Help us make this a great place to hang out, listen, learn, and push the envelope. TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MIND-L LIST: Simply send mail to mind-l@gate.net and everyone on the list will receive a copy via the magic of listproc! For information on this service and how to use it, send the following request in the body of a mail message to listproc@gate.net: HELP All requests should be addressed to listproc@gate.net. ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** 3) The book [See below] talks about Hydrogen Peroxide. Its not the H.P. it self that is bad for you, it is the Shelf Life Stabilizers that are added in the common stuff you find at Drug Stores that are bad to ingest. Dentists frequently recommend RINSING (*NOT* drinking) H.P., some times with table salt added.... Drinking *Food Grade* H.P. may be good for you... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- These messages where originally sent to Linda on 01/10/93 in the Chronic_Pain Echo: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- LC>My problem is that my body, most likely, LC>according to the Birmingham Pain Clinic, has very low LC>endorphins to stimulate. Ok, then lets fix that: *THE* most fascinating book I have *EVER* read (I live in a very isolated valley, so there is nothing to do but read, so I read a LOT!) is: "Super-Memory: The Revolution; Discover the creative alchemy of memory. New solutions for health and learning, success and re-membering." By Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder. ISBN 0-88184-691-0 This book covers the history of memory research. It is not a 'how to remember this or that' type of book. I haven't come across a subject that this book has not some how touched upon, which brings us to enhancing endorphin production. Out of context of the opening here may not be the best but I'll give it a shot. Lets start in the last chapter of our chronicle here first, we jump to chapter 19: "Mind/Memory Fitness Machines" from page 263: "Why did the electro-acupuncture treatment work so effectively on drug addiction? Dr. Wen wondered.... "Dr. Wen's idea was to track endorphins in the rats' brains ... Endorphins (from ENDOGENOUS and MORPHINE -- 'Built-in morphine') are pain killers the body manufactures and are many times more effective than morphine. When the body is given a massive doses of morphine, the part of the brain that manufactures neurotransmitters shuts down. When a person tries to kick drugs, the body is in agony because the neurotransmitters are depleted and the 'little factories' in the brain don't start up production of the body's natural pain killers for some time." [I trying explains why you hurt, not say you have a morphine addiction...hope you understand...] .... "Batch number two of heroin-addicted rats was luckier. They went cold turkey and then had electro-acupuncture stimulation through metal clips attached to their bodies. The rats were stimulated at 111 hertz. WITHIN FORTY MINUTES OF APPLYING THE VOLTAGE, THE BRAIN'S ABILITY TO PRODUCE ITS OWN NEUROTRANSMITTERS WAS REHABILITATED. WITHIN THREE TO FIVE DAYS IT REACHED NORMAL. Within forty minutes withdrawal pain was gone and within three to five days addiction withdrawal and symptoms were gone." [See also the work of Dr. Bob Beck on further pages... Also look for info on Rife devices from other areas.] Next we jump back to chapter ten (10) "Gray Matter Music" and the works of Dr. Alfred Tomatis a famous ear, nose, and throat specialist, a member of the French Academy of Sciences. Pg 126: Dr. Tomatis's invention of the Electronic Ear "bombards the inner ear with certain high frequency sounds that gradually allow the ear to hear a wider and higher rage of frequencies. It made a slightly abrasive hissing noise mingled with the music. The sequences of the selections made little difference; it just had to have high-frequency sounds in at least the 8,000 hertz and higher range. [You can't start out at 8,000Hz your ear has to build up to it.] Those high sounds seemed to be ambrosia for the brain. After hearing the frequencies for 100 to 200 hours, the brain seemed to be become harmonized and energized and sent out signals to the rest of the whole system. [The book "Sound Therapy For The Walk Man" by Patrica Joudry ISBN 0-9691687-0-5. Goes into great detail.] Chapter 11: "The 'Ear Force': The Overlooked Memory Power": Pg 132: Dr. Tomatis says the ear "is not only for hearing, but is also intended to use sound to provide a charge of electrical potential to the brain. The cortex then distributes the resulting charge throughout your body....HIGH FREQUENCIES SPED UP THE RECHARGING PROCESS OF THE BRAIN BATTERIES." "Can you just switch on your stereo and instantly recharge your brain cells? Not exactly, not unless you're already an inner ear athlete. The beneficial sounds can't help you if you can't hear them. To be able to hear high frequencies, most people have to have the inner ear 'opened." .... Tomatis invented the Electronic Ear, a device that is like a 'fitness center for the middle ear.'...." "....Once the middle ear had been tuned to high-frequency response, then the brain responded swiftly to the recharge. Ear Force = Brain Force...the ear is meant to benefit the entire organism psychologically and physically." Pg 134: "Brain Drain Sounds" Low-frequency sounds, on the other hand, he [Tomatis] found, could act as brain drain sounds - poison for the brain. Low-frequency noise from traffic, airports, or construction sites not only could induce hearing loss but could actually drain the brain of energy....Low pounding sounds of rock music are designed to force you into mechanical movement, Tomatis says, but can discharge your mental and physical energy...." Pg 135: Tomatis "founded a whole new scientific discipline Audio-Psycho-Phonology (APP), and the research fills volumes of scientific journals and books." [Alas they are mostly in French, I'm still working on German, one at a time please..] Pg 136: "The Ear Force and Acupuncture": "... The major acupuncture point for whole body anesthesia is #86 on the Heart/Lung meridian, on the shell of the ear. Electrically stimulating this point has now been proven to produce endorphins - the body's own natural pain/stress relievers and pleasure producers. Research in Hong Kong showed specific electrical frequencies enhance endorphin production. (See p. 263 [Above]) There would seem to be endorphin-producing sound frequencies widespread throughout Sound Therapy classical music selections. These sound frequencies must stimulate this point on the ear through the earphones because virtually all Sound Therapy tape listeners report stress/pain relief..." We'll leave Sound Therapy behind for the moment and move on to "Sophrology Musical Memory Booster" on page 146: "Dr Raymond Abrezol, the Swiss Sophrologist, has taken a musical technique he developed to help people overcome pain and turned it into a memory booster. Aware of the body-balancing effect of baroque music, Abrezol created "Turning Sound" - baroque organ music with certain frequencies electronically altered, music that moves gently, rhythmically, back and forth from one brain hemisphere to the other. He added a breathing signal to further draw the listener into the rhythmic pattern, a harmonious pattern that seems to lift one into an another state. Abrezol gave tapes to his clients and other doctors. A popular form of pain control had been born! Throughout the 80s "Turning Sound" sold widely in Europe and has proven to be great boon in natural childbirth..." Now we move onto chapter 18 "Eat To Remember" first a cation from page 237: "Phenylalanine has also been successful as an appetite suppressant and diet aid. (A caution: Many diet sodas contain aspertame [NutraSweet {TM}]. This artificial sweetener is a peptide, made by combining phenylalanine with another amino acid, aspartic acid. [Two or more linked aminos equal a peptide.] In extremely large dosages, phenylalanine can increase blood pressure. If you consume a lot of diet soda and also take supplements of phenylalanine, check your blood pressure. In addition, some people report an allergic reaction to phenylalanine. It also should not be used by people with an inherited inability to metabolize phenylalanine.). Pg 238: "Miraculous Natural Pain Control Breakthrough": "... "-- the nutritional control of chronic pain - has generated worldwide excitement in recent years. Tests on supremely grateful patients have resulted in reams of glowing reports from [many places]: 'Excellent relief from low back pain,' 'complete relief from whiplash,' 'excellent relief from osteoarthritis pain', the list goes on and on. Relief from cramps, migraine, neuralgia, postoperative pain, fibrositis...All were patents who'd previously tried pain drugs and gotten no relief from them. Both pain and pain drugs, of course, can lower mind/memory abilities. "This natural food substance is totally nontoxic, has no side effects [See notes on personal experiences at the end of messages please]. because it's not a drug, it is not [physically] habit forming, is long lasting and safe. What is this amazing, miraculous substance? Phenylalanine, the now famous amino acid. [I skipped the chapters here where it became famous. :-( ] For pain, D-phenylalanine is used, the mirror image of L-phenylalanine. (L stands for "laevo" or left-handed, and "D" for "dextro" right-handed.) Some formulations, called DLPA, combine both D and L forms. "Research at both the University of Chicago Medical School and John Hopkins University School of Medicean showed DL-phenylalanine to be 85% to 90% effective for the control and reduction of chronic pain. Studies showed the analgesic effect of DLPA equals or exceeds that of morphine and other opiates derivatives. Morphine and other opiates frequently impair memory and mental functions, leaving people confused and disoriented. Nontoxic DL-phenylalanine could surely be an incredible boon to the approximately 50 million Americans suffering intracable pain from arthritis, back injuries, or osteoporosis. How does it work?" "Endorphins to the Max" "The brain produces its own powerful pain-relieving compounds called endorphins, similar to morphine. Pain signals during an injury tell the brain to release these pain-relieving chemicals. People have often reported crawling out of a sever car accident, unaware of their injuries, and felling no pain until later. "Giving people endorphins directly to control pain requires injecting endorphins directly into the brain or spinal cord, a dangerous procedure. In addition, the body's enzyme system constantly destroys endorphins. [Maybe you have to many enzyme's not to few endorphins?] "In a major breakthrough, scientists found that DL-phenylalanine blocks the enzymes that destroy endorphins. Thus chronic pain could be controlled by the brain's own natural pain-relieving substances, and actions of DLPA occur completely natural means. DLPA relieves pain with absolutely no side effects - no 'drugged' feeling, no memory fog, no clouded mind or fuzzy alertness as happens with many strong pain-relieving drugs. No [physical] addiction. Moreover, pain relief is selective: chronic pain is relieved, but you are not anesthetized, you can still sense a hot pot on the stove. Another big plus is that DLPA also eases the depression and misery that so often go along with debilitating chronic pain. "For pain relief, tablets of 375 mg. of DLPA, 6 a day, 2 before each meal, have been prescribed by researches. DLPA worked even better when vitamins C and B6 were taken too. We have tried out DLPA for back pain and headaches and found it highly effective." Pg 239: "Endorphin Power v. Addictions" "...It seems that natural substance phenylalanine and DL-phenylalanine can boost mental/creative abilities safely with no addiction. They can supply nourishment instead of a downer afterward. Phenylalanine works by causing the brain to increase both its production its stores of the neurotransmitter norepinephrine. In addition, DL-phenylalanine relieves pain and depression and has a euphoriant quality because it prevents the destruction of endorphins and enkephalins, then brain's own natural morphine." Pg 240: "Both phenylalanine and DLPA have already proved a boon in helping some people get off addictive drugs, by providing the mental benefits with no side effects at low cost..." [and on and on it goes, but I think I've made my point now.] Here are a few personal experience with all of the above glop.. A neighbor of mine gave Karen [My wife] some DLPA, he didn't want it because it gave him a headache. Karen has taken DLPA from Sundown Vitamins of Ft. Lauderdale, FL, with no side effects. When she got low she switched to GNC brand and that gave here chest pains, so she went back to Sundown [Many other drugs have given her chest pains, or breathing problems, so this may be unique to her]. GNC is the 'health food store' in several of our malls around here. One store seems only interested in body building, the other seems more general in nature, so try more than one place to find it. I'm forever having to remind Karen to take these with her meals, like the above info says. I'd hate to see what her depression would be like if she stoped taking them. Since she hasn't stopped taking them, we can't conclusively say they are doing her any good. [She has stopped taking them now, no change in her pain level.] It says above to take with Vitamin "C". One of the leading nutrition gurus in this country told us how to find the correct amount to take. Basically you start out at 500 mg and go up 500 mg at a time to you find that it gave you diarrhea, then back off a few hundred mg. I found that I can take 3000 mg a day, but not 4000 mg. If you have some problem like a cold you may be able, and need, to take much more, like up to 8000 mg a day (in one case). I tried listening to the Turning Sound tape while I was working, I found it most irritating. Perhaps if I was in a nice relaxed place it would have been helpful. Karen tried it once while we where driving down the road, she gave no real indication of what she thought about it. Karen can't listen to tapes at home because of problems with her family. My parents are more open minded, but we don't listen to them there either, because of not wanting to answer a zillion questions; they also only listen to their doctors about any thing, don't want to hear any thing from us. My grandmother hasn't been to a doctor in 30 years, she uses things like spice poultices ect, she seems in far better health, at twice their age, than my parents, who seem to go to the doctor each week for some thing or other. They pop pills with no idea whats in them. Karen and I are trying to go with things like herbs, and more basic foods to stay health, things that we know whats in them. What WAS in that last pill you just took? I've listened to the Sound Therapy tape, for weeks at a time while at work. These tapes seem to be unique, you can still hear every thing that is going on around you while you are listening with headphones on (the only way that they are effective). I can't say that I've found any improvement in memory, sleep reduction (a useful side effect), or pain reduction (I don't have any to reduce). But I must add that I haven't been listening to them 7 days a week like the instructions say. They say you have to listen to them at least four hours a day EVERY day, any where from 100 to 300 hours before you notice any effect. It is pleasant listening so it is not as bad as it sounds, you actually miss it when you can't hear it. I can't listen on the weekends because of the aforementioned parent problem. Alvan Tolavor (Spelling?) in his book "Future Shock" gave a stern warning about the brain-food/electronic-mind-stimulation, that it is psychologically addicting... For further information Please refer to: Superlearning 450 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10123 Phone (212) 279-8450 FAX: (212) 695-9288/24 Hrs. a day Ask for a catalog, on SuperMemory tapes, and Turning Sound Tapes. Sound Therapy, St. Peter's Press Box 190, Muenster Saskatchewan, Canada S0K 2Y0 For high-frequency Sound Therapy cassettes and the Sound Therapy book are available for $255 which includes shipping. Centre Tomatis 68 Blvd. De Courcelles 75017 Paris, France. You must have a portable tape player that can play metal tapes at up to at least 16,000 Hz, to use any of the above tapes, otherwise don't bother...I went through three Sonys, they kept breaking... ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 24 13:41:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA23760 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA23747 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.execpc.com (bpaddock@earth-le1.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02976 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:36:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bpaddock@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7) id PAA10223; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:37:09 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.926 From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <61vLxUQy8IDY089yn@execpc.com> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 44 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article , you wrote: >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >From: Self >To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: fnrg: Where's the beef? >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:40:14 > [snip] >I have been trying to locate a copy to the mag. Race Boat & Industry >News for 1973. I saw an article on permanent magnet motors that a >Proffessor had invented. He had a demonstration model that weighed >40lb mounted on a lazy susan/ turntable and was being powered by a >hand held 8oz magnet. There aren't any copies of the mag in the >archives anywhere that I can find and I've been looking for 15 years >for that one. I thought that possibley the Adams machine was >similar??? [snip] >========================================================= > ~<:-?) >feather in my cap/w tounge hanging out hacking linux >William V. Adams email: wvadams@soar.com >31810 N. Mill Rd. ph: 509-276-7830 >Deer Park, WA. 99006-9318 U.S.A. >========================================================== First let me say I'm months behind in reading the messages here, and am now just trying to get caught up so maybe you have already found these articles that you seek. Sorry if I'm waste bandwidth with old news... Part of your problem is that you think the Ship and Lazy Susan thing where in the same article, they where not. The Lazy Susan thing you are thinking of is the Howard Johnson Motor from Science & Mechanics, the Ship article was from Omni or Discover. Send me a LARGE SIZE SASE with at least 63 cents postage and I'll send you a copy of both articles. Bob Paddock RD #1, Box 601 Cranberry, PA 16319 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Feb 24 16:16:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id QAA14479 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA14467 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c3p2.aa.net (s1c3p2.aa.net [204.157.220.190]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA17223 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:16:16 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602250016.QAA17223@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:15:47 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.927 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:10 PM 2/23/96 EST, you wrote: > > Howdy! > > The prospect of developing a simple electronic euphoria stimulator sounds >very good to me! I am a senior BSEE student. I do not profess to know all there >is about electronic engineering, but I have had a good deal of experience. > I would love to experiment with your specifications. If this idea sounds >agreeable to you, please feel free to email me personally to make arrangements. > > -Brian > > QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu > > i would ssupport this as a public shareware project, see my response to shannon please note that my personal objective is not to create electronic euphoria... my objective is to help create a biostimulator which is suitable for research on cultures and medical treatments on bodies with carefully calibrated variable multiple outputs. it should be omni-capable, ranging the gamut from tens pain treatment to the cancer experimental treatments. i did observe that i noted an effect related to euphoria quite a long while ago from certain, very precise placement of electrodes. it was from a hideously overpriced mumbo-jumbo unit which was marketed to beauticians and newagers for firming up facial muscles to reduce sag. it worked real well. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 05:41:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA00309 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxx.mc.net (root@[206.138.8.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00279 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from d3002.mc.net (d3002.mc.net [206.138.13.102]) by maxx.mc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA03664 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:40:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199602210240.UAA03664@maxx.mc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.928 From: "Robert Sciog" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:52:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: fnrg: starlight creator info Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: When the starlight discussion was going on, I sent some E-mail to the Discovery channel about getting a transcript. Enclosed is the reply I got. If anyone contacts the inventor, please post some info: Hope this is helpful to someone: ------------------------------------------------------------- No, there are no transcripts possible, but I can tell you how to reach the inventor of Starlite Polymer: Mr. Maurice Ward 8 Northbrook Court PO Box 34 Hartlepool TS26 ODJ United Kingdom +----------------+----------------------------------------+ | Robert Sciog | | | rsciog@mc.net | | +----------------+----------------------------------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 05:43:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA23894 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from tornado.netspace.net.au (root@netspace.net.au [203.10.110.110]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA23810 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-a1-43.mel.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-43.mel.netspace.net.au [203.12.52.43]) by tornado.netspace.net.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA07608 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:19:03 +1100 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.929 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Brice Perrault's Radiant Energy Device Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:23:06 GMT Organization: Improving Message-Id: <3129be62.42907849@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <199602192246.OAA01455@mail.eskimo.com> <31293D44.41A2@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <31293D44.41A2@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:17:24 -0700, Chuck Humphrey wrote: >TO Everyone: > >I recently bought a publication from the International Tesla Society >which gave instructions and diagrams on constructing a device which >is suppsed to convert the ambiant radiant energy into usable electricity. > >I called Bruce today in an attempt to learn more about the device and to >get the details which were missing from his material. I learned that he >has signed some form of agreement with Reed Huish in Arizona who has >obtained the rights to manufacture this device. > >I suspect this is the same technology we have been hearing about from >Reed on this list but I can't be sure unless Reed admits it. > >At any rate I do plan to make this information available to anyone who >wants to help me build one of these devices. It is supposed to generate >about 40,000 watts and last up to 7 months. It does degenerate and >requires re-charging the elemental material used in the contruction. If this is the "cold-fission" tube, filled with chlorine, then I would like to point out once again, that I feel this device may operate on the reaction: 2*17Cl35 -> 18Ar36 + 16S34 + 2.2 MeV This is a proton hopping reaction (unknown at present I believe). This would especially not be out of the question, in a tube of gas subjected to 250 kV electical pulses IMO. However there remains the thorny question of how the resultant energy is converted to electrical energy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 05:43:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA18589 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.indirect.com (root@ns2.indirect.com [165.247.1.17]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA18414 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from 165.247.24.44 (s44.phxslip4.indirect.com [165.247.24.44]) by ns2.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA04468 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:55:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:55:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199602202255.PAA04468@ns2.indirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 834952770.930 From: Reed Huish Subject: fnrg: Newman Energy To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:55:50 EST5EDT From: Glenda Stocks To: neotech@world.std.com Subject: Newman Energy Sender: neotech-approval@world.std.com Reply-To: neotech@europe.std.com -> SearchNet's neotech Mailing List -- Area : I-UFO --------------------------------------------( LOSTINTS.SU1 )--- Msg# 93 Date: 16 Feb 96 22:17:30 From: Gary Depietro Read: No Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: EVERYONE READ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where else but in the UFO echo would you find something like this? Check out his Internet Web site. "On Thursday, August 10, 1995, Joseph Newman demonstrated his newest production model of his motor/generator: From 8:00AM to 8:00PM- and attached to a Grainger Reciprocating Pump-The Newman Motor/ Generator pumped 1 gallon of water per minute at 12 PSI at the Lucedale, Mississippi City Park. The voltage source was a local alternating current connection to the Newman Motor/Generator through a conventional house watt meter. When a conventional motor was operated on this system the house watt meter proceeded to turn, indicating that external electrical energy was being consumed. During the entire 12 hours that the Newman Motor/Generator pumped water, the house watt meter did not mvoe. Morever, for the entire 12 hour period the Newman Motor/Generator ran cool. The news media, city officials and representatives of the local power station observed and corroborated these results. This technology is ready to go forward into the future." .......................................................................... D Area: ELECTRONICS DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Msg#: 82 Date: 02-15-96 17:46 From: Gary Depietro Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: NEWMAN UPDATE READ! DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD As many of you know, I recently posted information about Joseph Newman's generator. I compiled a list of questions and sent it off to them. I'd like to share the responses with you: Q: What is the physical size of the Newman Generator and what type of power output can be expected? 1) Prototypes have ranged in size from c. 5 lbs. to over 15,000 lbs. The largest unit produced back-emf in excess of 100,000 watts. Q: Assuming someone wanted to produce a unit capable of powering a normal size home, what would the costs be? 2) Depends upon the configuration. Preliminary estimates place construction costs in the range of $3,000-$4,000 p/unit with retail price from $7,000-10,000. Of course, with mass production, these costs are expected to change. Q: Give me a little more info on the output of the Newman Generator 3) & 4) Output: since the unit operates as a motor/generator, one will obtain torque as well as DC output. The torque can be used directly for useful work, or can be used to power a conventional generator. We received a recent videotape from a mechanically-inclined individual in Phila., PA. This individual constructed a successful Newman Motor/Generator from having read the book -- we did not even know this individual. We have reports of additional machines being constructed in other parts of the country. The videotape and the book are available from Joseph Newman Publishing Co. Q: Is the Newman Generator hard to construct? There was even a girl in Pasadena (8 years old) that built a small Newman Motor/Generator and won 1st place in her school science fair. Of course, the fact that her father was an electrical engineer probably gave her an edge!! Thank you. Evan Soul=E9 Director of Information Newman Energy Products P.S. We are most interested at this stage in locating individuals across the country who would be interested in establishing manufacturing of this technology. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ END...................................................................... Like most of you, anything new and interesting in the ELECTRONICS arena interests me. In the late 1800's there was a man who was treated much the way Newman is being treated today. Fortunately, he never gave up. His name was Edison and we all know the rest of that story. As I get more information I will keep you posted. ... "Made in the U.S.A." Looks nice, doesn't it? ......................................................................... Visit Newmans Web page on the Internet !!!!!!!! http://home.earthlink.net/~josephnewman Evan R. Soule Jr. can be contacted at josephnewman@earthlink.net Phone 504-524-3063 Their Address: Newman Energy Products Route 1 Box 52 Lucedale, MS 39452 (601)-947-7147 ... My "Doctor" told me "pain builds charachter" shezzzz! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Proboard/Fastecho/InterMail * Origin: The P.I.T.S. BBS = Orange City, Fl = 6 Nodes = 904-774-6577 (1:3618/12) ############################################### # SearchNet HeadQuarters - XBN MailGate # # Send HELP to help@xbn.shore.net # # Send INFO to info@xbn.shore.net # # Send LIST to listserv@xbn.shore.net # # SearchNet/Orvotron WWW HomePage # # http://world.std.com/~snet/ # ############################################### -> Posted by: Glenda Stocks <---- End Forwarded Message ----> From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 05:51:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA09170 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09150 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:32:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:32:03 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.931 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602211932.LAA09150@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 74120.wrk; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:32:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fnrg: Joe Newman experiments To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <130689@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There are some camps that believe the additional power comes from the arc plasma. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:09:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA00771 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [198.4.9.5]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00501 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA10106; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:28:10 -0500 Date: 20 Feb 96 13:26:13 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.932 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Joseph Newman's Motors Message-ID: <960220182612_76216.2421_HHB61-3@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: David - >Does, this group discuss Joseph Newman's Motors? >I did some experiments, and am convinced that some >of the theory in his book is correct. >I would like to here from anyone who was harrassed by the >government (or told to shut up) after discussing the implications >of his book. I know I was!!! Yes, this is the group you're looking for. I for one would be glad to hear about your experiments and details about why you think he was right about some of his theories. As to government suppression on discussing implications of a device, was this in the USA? We have a First Amendment thing in effect here, unless it really is something that impinges on the specifics of national secrets. I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with that too. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:12:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA23315 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.122.16.4 (ghawk@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23289 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:54:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602231854.KAA23289@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:41:09 +0800 To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.933 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:50 AM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >> Dennis, this is a very intriguing concept. Currently I floss, brush, use >> listerine, and also swish for at least five minutes a day with weak solution >> of hydrogen pyroxide mixed with colloidal silver water, all in a last ditch > >> So how would the hydrogen pyroxide work along with the charge? Or, what >> else could be used as a liquid or gell to curry the emf, salt water? Do you >> have any detailed knowledge of this stuff? > >Well, um, last I heard, hydrogen peroxide was EXTREMELY toxic. A weak Would be interested in knowing who told you that. Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is nothing more than water molecules with an extra oxygen weakly attached. The extra oxygen can easily let go and latch onto anaerobic pathogens, killing them. Anaerobic bacteria (cannot live in the presence of oxygen) feed on food/sugars and lead to cavities, gum disease etc. I would like those who like to portray oxygen as harmful to deprive themselves of it, and leave more for the rest of us. gh From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:13:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id OAA04820 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04783 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA06968; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:52:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:52:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199602232252.OAA06968@ix2.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.934 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: . . . "The article presented a reasonable arguement for this being an effect of directly stimulating the retinal cells. After all, they are quite sensitive to very small levels of photic input, so it makes sense that they might also detect other types of energy. I believe I've read that they respond to pulsating magnetic fields in a similar manner. I AM NOT recommending that anyone else try this. Even small amounts of current imposed across the brain can be quite dangerious!" . . . Michael, I concur about the potential safety hazard of imposing even small amounts of EM across the human brain. Years ago, I read that Korean War prisoners would sometime tell their fellow prisoners in despiration that they were going to die. They would then isolate themselves and pull a blanket over their head and within 24 hours they were dead. They had consciously willed themselves to die. From this it was deduced that there was a death or die center somewhere in the brain. I do not know if anymore work has been done in this area, but you may. Do you have any current information on a human brain death center and how it's activated? My concern would be accidently stimulating the death center in the human brain. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:13:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA02548 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluestem.prairienet.org (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA02056 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by bluestem.prairienet.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA16891 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:35:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from w9sz@localhost) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA21265; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:33:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:33:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602201833.MAA21265@firefly.prairienet.org> X-UIDL: 834952770.935 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Joseph Newman's Motors Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >At 08:53 20.02.1996 EDT, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >> which book is that? > > >The energy machine of Joseph Newman. > >Pretty outdated by now. > >Only a few pages interesting. > I wrote to Joe Newman last year, asking for info. I received a flyer which indicated the newest (and final) edition of the book would be available in June or July of 1995. It was about $60, I believe. I never got around to ordering it. There was also a flyer indicating Joe was going to run for President in the next election. I haven't heard much about that since then, either. For those interested, his address is: Joseph Newman Energy Products Route 1 Box 52 Lucedale MS 39452 Regarding the original query about Joe Newman's machine, I don't know of anyone on this newsgroup being harassed for anything we have been discussing here. I certainly haven't. Has anyone else had that experience? I hope not ... I thought it was a little more private than that! (Although you never know what lurkers have subscribed under what names, I guess.) Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:18:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA27622 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27502 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p4.aa.net (s1c1p4.aa.net [204.157.220.176]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02451 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:06:10 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602201806.KAA02451@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:05:37 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.936 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:54 AM 2/19/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >>Bill's list may be aware if this...but just in case... >> >>Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called >>"Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys >>hard-drives. >>The trick apparently is NOT to read it. Delete it immediately. >> >>Jim Francis >>AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH > >Hi, > >This "virus" has been around here in the U.S. for about a year now, I >think. From what I've heard, the only "virus" about it is the rumor, >which has spread all over. Supposedly there is really no "Good Times" >virus. I haven't encountered anyone who has found it, and it isn't on the >list of viruses in the McAfee scanner. > >Has anyone actually been infected by it? It was supposedly in e-mail that >had "Good Times" as the subject matter. I found one such e-mail a while >back and found nothing infectious in it. > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > IT IS INDEED A JOKE. AROUND APRIL ONE, EXPECT SOME MORE IN THE SAME STYLE. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:26:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA27834 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27739 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p4.aa.net (s1c1p4.aa.net [204.157.220.176]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02427 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:05:52 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602201805.KAA02427@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:05:20 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.937 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Re: neon Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:20 AM 2/19/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:53:44 -0500 (EST), Christopher Comeaux wrote: >[snip] >> >> BUT there is no visible difference between a "worn out" neon tube >>and a new one. In a light bulb, the filaments burn out and break. In >>a neon tube there are just two wires sticking into the gas, which are >>not connected. How can the wires wear out? How can they cease to be >>conductive? The neon glows because the gas is conducting. It seems >>more likely that the gas would stop conducting than the wires! >>cc/impulse >> >> >I suspect that the seal around the edge of the glass eventually leaks >enough air into the bulb, and enough inert gas out of the bulb to >upset the process. >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, >Learns all his life, >And leaves knowing nothing. >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > it isn't really the loss of the noble gas, it is the loss of rarification and the increased resistance of the electrodes as they become oxidized from the infusion of the atmosphere, eventually the voltage drop of the electrodes is too great to leave enough emf to ionize the gases. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:31:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id GAA17533 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 06:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA17508 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 06:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from t15.dialup.peg.apc.org (v0.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.192]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id BAA14497 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:30:35 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:30:35 +1000 Message-Id: <199602251530.BAA14497@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.938 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > "On Thursday, August 10, 1995, Joseph Newman demonstrated his newest > production model of his motor/generator: From 8:00AM to 8:00PM- > and attached to a Grainger Reciprocating Pump-The Newman Motor/ > Generator pumped 1 gallon of water per minute at 12 PSI at the Lucedale, > Mississippi City Park. The voltage source was a local alternating current > connection to the Newman Motor/Generator through a conventional house watt > meter. When a conventional motor was operated on this system the house watt > meter proceeded to turn, indicating that external electrical energy was > being consumed. > Funny timing here (synchronicity)...I've just spent the last 2 hours on the net reading about the Newman motor. Before anyone gets too carried away it might be an idea to read the following article summarised as follows: NEWMAN3.ASC By WARREN E. LEARY AP Science Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Government engineers say a backwoods inventor's amazing energy machine has a number of unique features but lacks a critical one -- it doesn't work. The National Bureau of Standards said Thursday that more than two months of court-ordered testing has failed to prove Joseph W. Newman's claims that his controversial machine produces more energy than it consumes....... This is on the Australian site: http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/KeelyNet/Energy/index.html Look under the alphabetical listing of "N" (for newman) I just can't raise the actual site again at the moment - I have a feeling this might be a part-time site. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:35:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09335 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09315 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19314 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:34 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602211131.DAA19314@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:31:06 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.939 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: magnets do not work on gaslines check out my post "Magnet Virii" At 11:13 AM 2/19/96 EDT, you wrote: > Reading all these messages about the treatment of water with magnets, > I recall some article where gasoline for cars was treated with magnets > too. I remember they even sell a device for magnetic treatment for > gasoline. Does anybody has any idea how this could work? > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. >Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail >Date: 02/19/96 11:01 AM > > > >You can buy a whole house water "magnetizer" for Magnetizer Tel No. > (215) 766-8660. I've used one for years to treat my water in the >FR> >house. It actually softens the water, without chemicals. Also it >FR> >lessens soap scum in the showers, and water stains. I did not >FR> >believe it would work when I first bought it, and I had the >FR> >distributor hold my check for 90 days. After 10 days I could tell a >FR> >difference, and I told the distributor to go ahead and deposit the >FR> >check. I have been totally satisified! >FR> >FR> Has the water softening action been measured (i.e. with a DH test >FR> kit), or only observed? Cheap DH test kits can be had at local >FR> aquarium shops, but you would have to have measurements taken before >FR> installation of course. Interesting! > > > I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, > my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get > calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens > of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the > Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your > fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices >to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The >company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that >comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons >of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. >This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the >case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that >the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, >increasing its efficiencies. > > > John Draper > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:37:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA11320 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA11206; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p2.aa.net (s1c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.164]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06187; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:34:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199602232034.MAA06187@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:33:51 +0800 To: American Bank USA , dalevine@exo.com, support@aa.net, mmat-new@seatimes.com, steve@booksatoz.com, wchipman@axionet.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.940 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: NETIZENS ALERT #2 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FYI: regarding the moneypage javascript flap, please note the experience of another user below: This is important information, Peter. They crashed your system twice. At 08:45 AM 2/23/96 -0800, you wrote: >Now that you mention it > >1 The first time I cnnected to emoney my computer froze shortly >thereafter. I could not Ctrl-alt-delete and upon rebbot my univ script >was damaged and had to be repaired. > >2. Yesterday based on your message i again accessed emoney. shortly >thereafter my computer froze. I wen to bed and left it as is. This >morning my minorit was off and wouldnot restart. I movedit to anke's >computer and took hers (it worked on mine) I tried mine on hers an dgot a >green light but nothing on the screen. So I am buying anew one > How old is the monitor? It could easily be their fault. I am highly suspecious of the connection in time. It was dumb of you to leave the system on but...it was feckless reckless of them to set yuou up like this. Prepare your bill, Pete, cost of monitor, time to get it, lost time on the computer, etc. If money page doesnt pay it, SUN or Netscape will. Believe me...I am going to go for the jugular of the heart of the beast. Do you see why I call them reckless? This java stuff is going to have all kinds of unforeseen consequences and the average browser out there like you is gonna be MUGGED in cyberspace without even understanding it. This doesnt just make me angry. It makes me profoundly determined...We have got to stand up to this garbage and face it down. That means we gotta shout LOUDLY. We have got to get Netscape and Sun to do a complete reconsider about this javajiveshit. WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO CONVINCE ISP's the length and breadth of cyberspace that under no circumstances is java gonna get dispensed from their server. Spamming is nothing compared to the havoc javajiveshit is gonna create. >I don't have the competence to judge whether this has anything to do with >e-money. > it absolutely did. >Your send message to them i read and you sound like you know what you are >talking about. I hope you win. if you really want me to I'll send your >first letter outover my 50 or so lists that I am subscribed to. I hope >that doesn't come under attack as irresponsible slander etc from them. hold on, I am plotting a master strategy. >Are you sure you want me to do it?????? >an we have a drink over this tonight. I miss you. Sorry i'm so wraped up >in so much. Love you. > > be there this afternoon > >Dr. Pyotr Johannevich van de Waal-Palms, Sovetnik Pravitelstva CWA, >Tovarichestvo Palmsa, Inc., Washington, USA >World Wide Web home pages - Palms Portal to Russia- The Baltics & CIS >(500Mb) data 7000 URL links: http://www.aa.net/~russia >To subscribe discussion group send message to: >In message text type: subscribe palmport-list > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:38:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id GAA18279 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 06:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA18269 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 06:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from t15.dialup.peg.apc.org (v0.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.192]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id BAA15024 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:37:50 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:37:50 +1000 Message-Id: <199602251537.BAA15024@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.941 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > "On Thursday, August 10, 1995, Joseph Newman demonstrated his newest > production model of his motor/generator: From 8:00AM to 8:00PM- > Funny timing here (synchronicity)...I've just spent the last 2 hours on the net reading about the Newman motor. Before anyone gets too carried away it might be an idea to read the following article summarised as follows: NEWMAN3.ASC By WARREN E. LEARY AP Science Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Government engineers say a backwoods inventor's amazing energy machine has a number of unique features but lacks a critical one -- it doesn't work. The National Bureau of Standards said... I've just managed to open that site...the news item is dated October 1990 so maybe things have improved since then... Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:39:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id DAA09317 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA09300 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19310 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:31:27 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602211131.DAA19310@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:30:59 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.942 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: Re: magnet virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: regarding use of magnets on gas lines: About seven years ago I enlisted the assistance of a major manufacturing company in Japan (metal tubes and oem machining) to test magnetic effects and catalytic effects on reconditioned Toyotas. They faithfully ran seven Toyatas of varying mileage around and around a track under extremely well defined conditions to test the effects. There were no effects except for a slight increase in effective mileage (2%) for autos running with a "catalytic" tube in the gasline, which introduced platinum ions into the gas stream. This was consistant with other research which shows that platinum ions create a better burn and thus more mileage. Who can afford it, though? What we learned: The magnets on gaslines was, is, and forevermore shall be a recurring scam...a mental virus. There are a lot of mental virii out there. At 03:42 PM 2/19/96 +0800, you wrote: >At 09:26 AM 2/19/96 EDT, you wrote: > >> >> I've never tested the water using the kit you mention however, >> my wife swears by it. Another interesting note - We used to get >> calcium build-up around the shower head, and also in the screens >> of the water faucetts. We don't since I installed the >> Magnetizer. The company also makes devices to clamp on your >> fuel line for both oil and gas furnaces. They also make devices >>to clamp on the fuel lines of vehicles, both gasoline and diesel. The >>company claims 10 to 18% improvements. According to the literature that >>comes with the devices, the magnets affect the polairty of the electrons >>of the fuel, by making them the same polarity as the pipe or fuel line. >>This keeps particles from clinging to the walls of the pipes. In the >>case of furnaces and internal combustion engines, the paper claims that >>the fuel charge is kept in the center of the combustion chambers, >>increasing its efficiencies. >> >> >> John Draper >> >> > >If I were to tape two neodymium magents on the water pipe, in what >way should they be oriented. Someone said with the south-seeking >pole facing in, but if there are two, then I suppose they would need >to be in separate locations on the pipe somewhere. If they were >on opposite sides of the pipe, both facing in, it would weaken them >over time, no? > >I pictured the professsional unit as having more than one magnet, >yet all right there in one unit. When the two halves are placed >together, do they tend to hold together? Or do they have to be >held together while the tie-wraps are put on them? > >It seems to me that this simple device and its effects demonstrate >some of the principles in the "unknown" realm which--if we can >understand them--will open a window into a more clear and correct >understanding into the way things really are, that we all seek, so >that we can then build (in more ways than one) on those principles. > >Some testing needs to be done to find out what is happening to >the calcium, the iron, and so forth in that water. > >Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today > http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:40:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id VAA19828 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from luckier.nmaa.org (luckier.nmaa.org [204.91.49.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA19792 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp67.nmaa.org ([204.91.49.67]) by luckier.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA73; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:52:16 -0400 Message-ID: <312D8074.2003@nmaa.org> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:53:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.943 From: smb@nmaa.org (Steve Bugher) Organization: smb Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6b (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: USA-TESLA@usa.net CC: Free Energy Subject: fnrg: Re: Resubscribing - VOTING References: <9602202350.AA14170@DGS.dgsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Why not a newsgroup, not a list-server so our mail boxes are not being hammered, I got 80 msgs today - a normal number, mostly TESLA and FREE ENERGY. This is getting old and sometimes I don't have the time to sift through all this neat stuff just to find my personal mail and sometimes miss inportant email or it gets it bounced because list-servers are overloading our news server at NMAA. Additionally posting images and other large items is out of control! If you have something large to share, find someone who will put it on an ftp or web server and send us pointers! Lets all vote by returning one of the two lines below, under the Subject: VOTE I would like to convert to a newsgroup so I can keep my mail box clean. or I would like to keep the list-server(s) blasting my mail box every day. Wallace Edward Brand wrote: > > At 09:50 PM 2/11/96 -0700, you wrote: > >On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Wallace Edward Brand wrote: > > > > > >Hello All, > > > >I've been lurking like a bashful Ninja for weeks, reading with great > >interest but not having anything to add. Now it seems my newbie status > >may actually be helpful, since I still have my listserv refcard and other > >documentation. Hooray! > > > >I was not receiving any messages for quite a while, and I was convinced I > >had screwed something up with my systems. Anyway, I was able to send > >commands to the listserver and it responded promptly but I wasn't getting > >any of the usually voluminous (sp?) mail. It's good to hear that I am > >not alone in my pain. :) > > > >Anyway, Mr. Brand, if you send to 'listserv@usa.net' the message > >'review usa-tesla', it will send you the list of 300-something usa-tesla > >subscribers. Note that the robot chokes on signature files. Of more > >general utility is the command 'help' that will send a list of available > >commands. > > > >What I am about to say next borders on superstition...but when I wasn't > >getting any mail for days and days I was trying all kinds of stuff. The > >list said I was subscribed, set to receive mail, etcetera, but I got > >nothing! :( ! I started getting messages again (just this evening, > >actually) after I sent the 'thanks' command. > > > >I feel funny even suggesting this...but does the server require > >occasional reminders that you are still interested, if you are too > >bashful to post? Should I have posted earlier after I subscribed? Did > >the server feel unappreciated? If I didn't talk to my WIFE for two > >weeks, I would be in the dog house, too. :) > > > >Finally, I am hoping this reaches my comrade-in-arms, Wallace Edward > >Brand. Mr. Brand, drop me a quickie line please if you have any > >questions or trouble, or whatever. > > > >Finally finally, I have a sheet of paper that says that the server is > >managed by 'kclark@usa.net' and if my voodoo ritual advice doesn't work > >out, I bet he could help. Bye! > > > >-David J. Zirbel, Jr. > ><---------= > >"No loss by flood and lightning, no destruction of cities and temples by > >hostile forces of nature, has deprived man of so many noble lives and > >impulses as those which his intolerance has destroyed." - Helen Keller > ><---------= > >Dear Mr. Zirbel: I have learned that if you don't pay your exorcist you > get "repossessed." My comrade-in-arms, Mr. Greenhow, kindly informed me > that the list owner is having problems with the system because of the volume > of postings and is exploring a new system. Thanks for your friendly post. > Wallace Edward Brand -- _____ _ _ ____ /Steve) / \/ \ |Buer) Steven M. Bugher 301 565-2203 \____ \ / /\ \ |---< 1717 Luzerne Ave. Silver Spring MD 20910-1510 (_____//__/ \__\|____) smb@nmaa.org http://www.nmaa.org/members/smb From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:57:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA03475 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03417 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p2.aa.net (s1c1p2.aa.net [204.157.220.174]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03945 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:52:23 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602231952.LAA03945@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:51:56 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.944 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:34 AM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>This effect was described in a scientific journal some years ago. I'm >>>sorry, but I don't have the reference at hand. I remember stumbling across >>>it as a graduate student while I was supposed to be reading something else. >>>Of course, I had to try it. The experimenters applied electrodes to >>>various positions on the face and imposed a current-limited square wave >>>pulse across the electrodes. Variations in the pulse frequency and pulse >>>length generated reports of various types of flashes and geometrical >>>designs. I immediately went to the lab, breadboarded a battery-powered >>>pulse generator using a 555 timer chip, put a 10-meg pot in the output >>>line, and started applying EEG-electrodes to my face. It worked just as >>>the article described. >>> >>>The article presented a reasonable arguement for this being an effect of >>>directly stimulating the retinal cells. After all, they are quite >>>sensitive to very small levels of photic input, so it makes sense that they >>>might also detect other types of energy. I believe I've read that they >>>respond to pulsating magnetic fields in a similar manner. >>> >>>I AM NOT recommending that anyone else try this. Even small amounts of >>>current imposed across the brain can be quite dangerious! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. >>>Clinical and Corporate Psychologist >>>42 Lenox Pointe >>>Atlanta, GA 30324 >>>404-237-3883 >>> >>> >>> >> >>It can go further than this. In the right locations, current flow can go >>straight away to stimulate action of the pineal, inducing euphoria, and an >>astounding alteration of consciousness..."third eye" >> >>Interested? What is necessary is a low cost generator of the proper outputs, >>which I can specify precisely. I have not experimented much with this stuff >>in recent years as I have developed certain meditational pathways. However, >>mental skills are not alone sufficient to deal with the load of suffering in >>today's humanity. Perhaps there is an interest in a shareware design for a >>LOW COST emf oscillator of the proper outputs. I am sick to death of the >>jerks who package $50 worth of electronics into black boxes which they >>market for $2000. >> >>Any electronics people out there willing to cooperate in the specification >>of a shareware design? If so, I'll define an output table based on my >>knowledge of what is being done with medical electronics and various medical >>research projects. >>____________________________________ >>MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing >>Michael Mandeville, publisher >>mwm@aa.net >>http://www.aa.net/~mwm > >Michael, > >You are very right. There are a number of psychological effects that can >be induced with small amplitude signals applied directly to the scalp. >This area of research is sometimes called intracranial stimulation. There >has been some success in using these to counteract the discomfort of drug >and alcohol withdrawal. > >I would be interested in the information you are willin to share. The >commercial devices do seem overpriced. However, it would be necessary to >build in some failsafe methods for limiting current flow. elementary and cheap Also, there is a >danger of inducing seizure activity in individuals who are predisposed. >(This is also true for photic stimulators.) Users would need to know that >we really have no good data on long-term use of these devices. > yes I think this is the biggest issue after electrical safety has been established >Regards, >Michael > > > >R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. >Clinical and Corporate Psychologist >42 Lenox Pointe >Atlanta, GA 30324 >404-237-3883 > > > It's been 10 years since I've looked at the device and ic catelogs and there is a veritable flood of solid state stuff out there way beyond stuff like the 555. Hopefully, someone in free energy list who is much more current with the last generation of solid state components will rise to the occassion and initiate some recommendations. When he or she does announce himherself, I'll pop a list of desired output chararteristics which you might want to review very carefully as you no doubt have some ideas of your own. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 06:57:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA11777 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA11173; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p2.aa.net (s1c0p0.aa.net [204.157.220.164]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06200; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:34:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199602232034.MAA06200@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:34:03 +0800 To: ptech@seatimes.com, wchipman@axionet.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com, steve@booksatoz.com, dalevine@exo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.945 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: NETIZENS ALERT #3 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:24:39 +0800 >To: BARON, Burt Webb, Palms' Net, Gary Hawkins, Dan Levine >From: Michael Mandeville >Subject: REPEAT: CEASE AND DESIST YOUR JAVASCRIPT > >FYI, my response to an email message to me by Chuck Lawson at the Moneypage, whose email message basically told me to get lost. > >At 11:20 PM 2/22/96 -0600, you wrote: >>Dear Mr. Mandeville; >> >>A $158 small claims judgement in the middle of nowhere sounds boring. > >thanks for the sympathy, I just really love the time I wasted at your site. > > The idea of a >>class-action suit is interesting, however - there ought to be a lot of good publicity in >>that, > >what is your point? > >>and the odds of a judgement for your "pain and suffering" > >There is no pain and suffering. There is lost time resulting from your snare. > >>due to you going voluntarily to a web site > >there is no point here > >>that takes advantage of the features of the browser you >>voluntarily run, > >yeah, like a rabbit being caught in a snare. >can't you see the ethical problem here? > >>by running a JavaScript applet that is currently in use around much of >>the 'net > >hogwash, these are barely in use and in accordance with the problems I encountered at your site, there seems an urgent need to immediately back off and think through a set of standards about their proper use. > >>seem real slim > >that's no issue > >- even in Microsoft country. > >is this an innuendo? I have no more connection to or reqard for Microsoft and than I have for the average man on the street. The same can be said for most folks around here. > > >> >>We assume you're pursuing similar actions against all of those other "YUPPIE JUNGLE >>CRAPPY" sites also running JavaScript applets, such as netscape.com, cnet.com, >>hotwired.com, ad nauseum, many of which are running the exact same status-bar scroller >>script you complain about. > >I have not seen any of them. I am responding only to your site. > >> >>In short, get a life. > >precisely my point, Chuck, I'm glad you caught the idea, a life with a decent respect for the actual need of humanity. Your use of my cpu without my premission in reckless disregard for the consequences to me is impossibly boorish. > >>If you don't like the page, don't use it. > >It has nothing to do with like or dislike of your pages. You have an attractively designed format and a lot of good information there. It has to do with the good sixty minutes of my time which your software stole from me, causing my system to crash. YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY BUGGY PROGRAM. > >The internet was designed to be a freely cooperative medium based on certain international standards, conventions, by which people could expect what was going to be present and know how to use it. Your imposition of commercially motivated software, without offering a choice, is in complete contravention to those standards and the trust which they have engendered. > > >>If you don't like Java >>or JavaScript, disable it > >I do not know what Java is and have not the foggiest idea of how to disable it. > >If you want to use Java, I propose you offer a frontispiece page which advises people that you use Java, that it has caused crash problems, and that it may be advisable to disable Java, along with instructions about how to do so. > >Anything less than that is an arrogant disregard of the needs of internet users, which you now know for certain will have problems with JAVA. Imposition of this program at your site in its present form is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGEROUS SNARE and is in gross contravention of the cooperative internet protocols. > >>or use a different browser. > >How dare you tell me what browser I will chose to use? It is none of your dammn business. You are the one who urgently needs to get real. > >>If you persist in any more of >>this, we WILL be more than happy to turn the matter over to our corporate counsel, > >If you cannot grasp the fundamental technical and ethical issues here, you most certainly had better immediately refer this matter to your corporate attorney. I am quite hopeful he/she will demonstrate far better sense than you are. > >>who'd >>like nothing better than to have an excuse to expand his staff - there's good publicity >>in online libel cases these days too, and a significant amount of precident has been >>established over the past few months. >> > >The only libel hinting so far in this interaction is your innuendo. I have stated nothing but facts. > >>Further, and to be very specific, please consider yourself informed that we will >>consider any further messages on this topic in the tone of the message copied below >>concerning our facilities, either in email or in Usenet, as at least harassment, and >>very possibly libelous, and we won't hesitate to pursue the matter. To that end, we've >>taken the liberty of cc:ing this response, including your quoted original message, to >>your ISP, to make them aware of this possibility in the event that they should be named >>a correspondant in such action. They may also wish to consider whether they care to >>consider your message as an issue under section 4 of their posted Terms and Conditions. >> > >How dare you posture with this sniveling attempt at intimidation? > > >All right then, > >IT IS WAR. I AM GOING TO USE THE FULL POWER OF COMMUNICATION AT MY COMMAND TO CREATE A CLIMATE OF OPINION WHICH CONVINCES YOU NOT TO ATTEMPT TO DO BUSINESS IN THIS MANNER. > > >but first, I insist that you immediately have your CEO or equivilent, with good corporate counsel as advisory, communicate with me. I will start there. > >Then, I am fully prepared to use every channel... >Let me tell you something. I am a tough old bastard who isn't going to take anybody's bullshit. I am highly educated and have a profound understanding of politics and law...and media...and great skill at communication and debate. Your attempts to play games with my reasonably justified outrage at being snared on your parking lot, makes me laugh. I'll take this as far as you guys wanna play until you cry uncle. You did wrong. You are going to correct it. It is that simple. > >In fact, this is stimulating me to think in very creative directions. I am thinking of using this incident and your website as an example of the need for USERs to take over the definition of the creation of standards for the internet. Most certainly, I am going to be in communication with Sun, Netscape, and Microsoft, in fact, I already am. There are fundamental socio-technical issues which are embodied in your use of the net. I can think of several dozen usenet groups as well as several dozen print media which need to examine these issues. Most certainly, all of your linkees need to think these issues through in greater detail. > >>Finally, just to set the record straight, there are not now, nor have there ever been >>any Java applets running on The Money Page. There is, as mentioned above, a JavaScript >>applet - a very different thing indeed. It seems somewhat amusing that someone whose >>personal web page devotes so much space to promoting themselves as a "cutting edge" web >>page developer can't tell the difference - particularly when the story is all available >>with a simple "view source". Since you made a point of making it appear that your >>message was going to multiple recipients, you may want to hope that none of your >>potential customers were on the list, or are sharp enough to notice. >> > >I don't give a damn about Javascript or Java Applets or the difference. I do not consider them cutting edge. I have a completely different concept of the world and where it is moving, what is useful and what is not. But thank you for informing me of the correct terminology for referring to your page's technology. > >I REPEAT: > >CEASE AND DESIST YOUR USE OF THE JAVASCRIPT ON YOUR HOMEPAGE. > >SEND THE $158 you owe me to: MW Mandeville, 22025 N.E. Redmond Fall City Road, Redmond, WA 98053 > >PLUS, ONE HOUR OF ADDITIONAL TIME IN ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES ONCE AGAIN WITH YOU IN AN ATTEMPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. > >The total therefore is now $316. > >and please, fax this immediately to you CEO or President and his/her counsel. > >>Have a nice day. >> >>- All of your friends @ The Money Page >> > >I hope you have an informed day, Chuck > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:07:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA06442 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.vvm.com (root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA06416 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip127.vvm.com (slip127.vvm.com [204.71.94.37]) by ns.vvm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA32583 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:28:46 -0600 Received: by slip127.vvm.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB015B.CAEE7EE0@slip127.vvm.com>; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:27:24 -0600 Message-ID: <01BB015B.CAEE7EE0@slip127.vvm.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.946 From: Brent Davidson To: "'Free Energy Listserve'" Subject: fnrg: Dream Travel Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:27:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Here's a thought I'd like to throw out: Have you ever considered that maybe dreams are another dimension?? If = the brain is the biological container of the soul, then maybe the soul = goes somewhere else when the brain is resting at night. I've seen = proposals for a VR device that you wear at night. The device fits over = your face and monitors your eye movement. When it senses that you have = entered REM sleep, it flashes red LED's in front of your eyes alerting = your consious mind that your subconsious is dreaming. Supposedly, you = should be able to take control of your dreams then. What if when you = dream, you are acessing a dimension that is all around us, but not = accessible because the consious mind is too ordered to accept it. With = sufficient practice, might it not be possible to use a device like the = one mentioned above to allow you to not only take control of your own = dreams, but to visit or even mold someone else's. If you realy want to = take a long shot, what would happen if we could train our minds to = control the dream world to a point that we could open a doorway between = the physical and the dream world. Think of the = possibilities....................... I know what I've just prevented is one GIGANTIC "What If?", but = sometimes the greatest ideas start with just a "What If?". Any one else = have some thought on this subject? Thanks, Brent Davidson (davidson@vvm.com) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:17:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA10380 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10303 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:03:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602222303.PAA10303@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3329; Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:03:32 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2842; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:03:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 17:55:50 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.947 From: Brian Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion To: FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All! I was wondering if anyone knew of where to get info on the cold fusion stuff. I recall a recent discussion here about it, but I do not recall any mention of where to obtain technical info on reproducing the experiments (my mail goes down a lot so perhaps I missed it!) Since the Patterson has recieved so much attention lately, I would like to start there, but of course any info on CF would be appreciated. BTW,has this cold fusion been proven to produce He atoms or are they just making Deuturium or something? Thanks, Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:21:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA04826 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA04753 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from t26.dialup.peg.apc.org (t26.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.154]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id BAA25286 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:58:53 +1000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:58:53 +1000 Message-Id: <199602191558.BAA25286@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.948 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: RADIANT ENERGY Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I've never known anyone to build one of these devices (Radiant Energy >Receivers), however I have known someone that built a receiver that >was resonate to a commercial radio transmitter located about 5 miles >away. They obtained enough power from the RF energy to keep a 12 volt >car battery charged. Not a great deal, but the battery would stay as >well charged as if a small solar powered charger would do. The resonate >coil was wound on a plastic garbage can. > Years ago one of my clients lived on a farm near a transmitter. He insulated the top wire of one of his paddock fences and was able to draw off sufficient power after rectification to keep a battery charged...which in turn ran an intermittant water pump. Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:25:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA26448 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26362 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1c1p4.aa.net (s1c1p4.aa.net [204.157.220.176]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09032 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:28:18 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199602230028.QAA09032@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:29:44 +0800 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.949 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: fnrg: Something Different!! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:20 PM 2/22/96 +1000, you wrote: > >I found an interesting site which might interest list members.... > >It's a patented cure for a common cold. > >Apparently there are two types of patents the US patent office won't >consider...perpetual motion machines and cures for common colds. > >The guy who developed this cure gave it to the US patent office staff when >they were all down with flu and colds...it worked so well they issued him >with a patent. > >The idea of drawing it to the attention of Bill's list is that I understand >distribution agencies might be available...could be a money spinner with a >guaranteed market.. > >It's on http://www.coldcure.com/ > >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL-MIND RESEARCH > > thanks for the tip ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:31:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA02342 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA02270 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:21:13 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.950 From: Jules54321@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA07065 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:18:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <960219121843_225800578@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A I wonder if these effects are caused by a structuring of the water and/or fuel molecules as occurs in water when it becomes "structured". To quote from the book, "Spiritual Nutrition" by Gabriel Cousens, MD, "In structured water, both the angle of the water molecule bond and the surface tension change. Structured molecules form more stable water hydration shells, and actually give more structure and order to the water. When the water is exposed to sunlight, crystal energy, or a pyramid (these are all generators, transmitters, and/or magnifiers of subtle energy), the actual molecular configuration of the water changes." It goes on to say that the water inside living cells is structured, and that characteristic is essential to the life and functioning of the cell. He continues, "Another generally accepted property of structured water is that it has a higher solubility for minerals than unstructured water. Like vitamins, minerals also become surrounded by a structured water cell because of their polarity and are [biologically] absorbed more readily for similar reasons." This may explain the removal of mineral deposits from faucets, etc. when the magnetizer was applied. Remember that all those little molecules are simply electrical beings, and as we know they are susceptible to magnetic energy as well as the more common forms of EM radiation. The increased combustion of these treated fuel molecules could be due to a higher "solubility" to oxygen, perhaps producing structured water as a combustion by product. Maybe its the Hydrogen molecules present in both fuel and water that are capable of becoming structured. Maybe its just MAGIC!!! Rich Hollyday From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:39:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA24607 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com (ix3.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA24598 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from den-co5-02.ix.netcom.com by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA01789; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:38:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3130855E.755F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:50:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 834952770.951 From: Chuck Humphrey Organization: NextGeneration Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Brice Perrault's Radiant Energy Device References: <199602192246.OAA01455@mail.eskimo.com> <31293D44.41A2@ix.netcom.com> <3129be62.42907849@mail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Robin, Thanks for your comment. Yes the device is the clorine cold-fussion thing. > This is a proton hopping reaction (unknown at present I believe). > This would especially not be out of the question, in a tube of gas > subjected to 250 kV electical pulses IMO. However there remains the > thorny question of how the resultant energy is converted to electrical > energy. > I am not a theorist, or a scientist and don't really understand what you said. I am simply trying to build this contraption and so far have obtained all of the equipment and ordered the supplies. I bought a small vacuum pump that draws down to 23 when connected to a cheap gauge. I hope I can make this thing work. Chuck -- * NextGeneration Software Chuck Humphrey * * 5023 W 120th Ave #109 Product Manager * * Broomfield, CO 80020 (303) 754-2927 * * Web site: * * e-mail: next-gen@ix.netcom.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 07:53:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA26065 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA26055 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:53:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.952 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602251553.HAA26055@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 56c70.wrk; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:54:14 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fnrg: Dream Travel To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <135515@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is not intended to "flame", but with some of the dreams I've been having lately, it must be one hell of a dimension. But then, I had been eating spicy foods. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 08:10:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA28020 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA28002 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.953 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602251610.IAA28002@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 595c0.wrk; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:10:56 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fnrg: Joseph Newman's Motors To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, John.Draper@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <135513@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have a good friend that works in the patent office as a patent examiner. He gave me a copy of a paper that the government (US) will issue if they feel that the patent that is being applied for, will affect the security of the United States. Security is defines as economic and militarily. The paper is a gag order, that prevents you (the filer) from discussing, writing, revealing in anyway, the detail of the patent. In my opinion, a patent is an invitation to a law suit anyway. If I were to develop a "free energy" or over unity device, to hell with the patent, just start building them and get as many out to the public as possible. That is your best protection. I have a patent for a method of wiring solar cell panels to batteries in such a way as to increase the output power of the solar panel up to 1005 increase. I have talked with all of the solar cell manufacturers (Solarex, ARCO (now someone else) Sanyo, North American Phillips, etc) and I can't find anyone interested enough to license the patent. I do know the government gets upset when there is a possibility that a device will lessen the tax revenues from energy related devices. After the 1974 gas crisis, I got interested in high milage carburetors and other fuel delivery devices. My friend at the patent office would invite me down to his office whenever he would work on the weekends. I had the chance to go through the patent drawers of the carburetor patents, that dated back to 1888. I have an excellent collection of copies. However, in talking with various people that were involved with the patents, the inventors, their attorneys, family members, I found than they were unable to get their devices on the market. The single biggest obstacle was the Federal Government, with the constant insistence of testing, saftey factors, and anything else that could be thrown in. It is not the oil companies or the automakers that prevent High milage fuel delivery systems from coming on the market, it is our government, who is reluctant to see the revenue from fuel sales decrease. As one person I know said, if all cars began to get a 50% improvement in gas milage, how is the government going to make up for a 50% decrease in fuel taxes? As they say, "Follow the money trail". John Draper Greenville SC From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 08:36:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA02258 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us ([199.249.190.57]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA02223 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:36:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:36:10 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.954 From: johndee@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us Message-Id: <199602251636.IAA02223@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from [199.249.190.57] by gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us id 5c970.wrk; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:36:48 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, John.Draper@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <135440@gremlin.greenville.lib.sc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm sorry, the magnets are laid parallel to the pipe with the south seeking side of magnets against the pipe. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 10:29:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA18110 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA18100 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id NAA01409 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:29:27 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:32:55 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.955 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Resubscribing - VOTING Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Why not a newsgroup, not a list-server so our mail boxes are not being >hammered, I got 80 msgs today - a normal number, mostly TESLA and FREE >ENERGY. This is getting old and sometimes I don't have the time to sift >through all this neat stuff just to find my personal mail and sometimes >miss inportant email or it gets it bounced because list-servers are >overloading our news server at NMAA. Additionally posting images and >other large items is out of control! If you have something large to >share, find someone who will put it on an ftp or web server and send us >pointers! > >Lets all vote by returning one of the two lines below, under the >Subject: VOTE > >I would like to convert to a newsgroup so I can keep my mail box clean. > or >I would like to keep the list-server(s) blasting my mail box every day. I would prefer a digest mode rather than either of these alternatives. Regards, Michael From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 10:29:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA18126 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA18112 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id NAA01423 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:29:31 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:32:59 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.956 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Applying voltage across one's brain Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Years ago, I read that Korean War prisoners would sometime tell their >fellow prisoners in despiration that they were going to die. They >would then isolate themselves and pull a blanket over their head and >within 24 hours they were dead. They had consciously willed themselves >to die. From this it was deduced that there was a death or die center >somewhere in the brain. > >I do not know if anymore work has been done in this area, but you may. >Do you have any current information on a human brain death center and >how it's activated? My concern would be accidently stimulating the >death center in the human brain. > > >RWW There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that people can will their own death. I'm not familiar with the existence of a "death center" in the brain, though. I don't think intensional control of death necessarily requires such a center. There are many other mechanisms that might account for this. It seems to me that if this were a major concern, there would not be intracranial stimulators on the market. Nonetheless, I do think there are plenty of reasons for caution. One interesting finding in this area is that often lower intensity signals have more beneficial effects. Regards, Michael From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 15:34:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id PAA10639 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com (arl-img-3.compuserve.com [198.4.7.3]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10621 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA19533; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:32:10 -0500 Date: 25 Feb 96 18:31:02 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.957 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@compuserve.com> To: Subject: fnrg: Cold Fusion Message-ID: <960225233101_76216.2421_HHB70-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Brian - >>> "I was wondering if anyone knew of where to get info on the cold fusion stuff." http://www.onramp.net/~ceti That's the web site for CETI, licensees of the Paterson Cell. Here are a few other references: GENERAL Fire from Ice: Searching for the Truth Behind the Cold Fusion Furor, (John Wiley & Sons, May, 1991), by Dr. Eugene F. Mallove. The definitive book on the subject. E. Storms, "Cold Fusion Heats Up," Technology Review, May-June 1994 issue (MIT), 20-29 E. Storms (Los Alamos, retired), "A Critical Review of the 'Cold Fusion' Effect," submitted to Physical Review B (1995) 67 Infinite Energy Magazine, Edited by E. Mallove, P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Tel: 603-228-4516, Fax: 603-224-5975 E-mail: 76570,2270 Information on cold fusion can be found in the John Logajan's World Wide Web home page: URL = http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan TECHNICAL Cold Fusion Times, by Mitchell Swartz, P.O. Box 81135, Wellesley Hills, MA 02181 E-mail address: mica@world.std.com Fusion Technology, a technical journal published by the ANS has published many articles about cold fusion. Contact: Publications Manager, The American Nuclear Society, 555 North Kensington Ave, Lagrange Park, IL 60525. Back issues of Fusion Technology are available from the APS publications office at 708-352-6611. Fusion Facts, a monthly newsletter. Contact subscription office at: P.O. Box 48639, Salt Lake City, UT 84158. Tel: 801-583-6232 Fax: 801-583-6245. Fusion Facts publishes the diskette bibliography referred to above. The Fifth International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) was sponsored by IMRA and held in Monte-Carlo, Monaco April 9 - 13, 1995. The proceedings will be published by IMRA Europe, S.A., Center Scientifique, B.P. 213, 22, rue Albert Caquot, 06904 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France. Mallove offers a set 4 videotapes "Highlights of ICCF5." This is over 8 hours long and it includes all abstracts and an index of participants. Contact: 76570.2270@compuserve.com. The Proceedings of the Fourth International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF4). This conference was sponsored by the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI), Advanced Nuclear Systems, and by the U.S. Office of Naval Research. It was held December 6 - 9, 1993, at Hyatt Regency Maui, Lahaina, HI. The proceedings can be purchased from: EPRI Distribution Center * 207 Coggins Drive * P.O. Box 23205 * Pleasant Hill, CA 94523 * Tel: 510-934-4212 Another version of the ICCF4 proceedings was published by the American Nuclear Society: Proceedings of the Fourth International Conference on Cold Fusion, Dec. 6 - 9, 1993, Transactions of Fusion Technology, 1993, Vol. 26, No. 4T, Part 2 (Dec. 1994), ISSN: 0748-1896. This is a peer-reviewed set of some of the papers. Frontiers of Cold Fusion, ed. H. Ikegami. The proceedings of the Third International Conference on Cold Fusion (Nagoya, Japan, October 21 - 25, 1992) in Nagoya, Japan. Available from Universal Academy Press, Inc., PR Hogo 5 Bldg., 6-16-2, Hongo, Bunkyo Tokyo 113, JAPAN. Tel. 011-81-3-3813-7232, Fax: 011-81-3-3813-5932. Price 22,000 yen (U.S. $194.77, Air shipping: $26.65) P. Hagelstein (M.I.T.), "Summary Of Third International Conference On Cold Fusion In Nagoya," 43 pages, $5 The Science of Cold Fusion, ed. T. Bressani. The proceedings of the Second Annual Conference On Cold Fusion. (Como, Italy, June 29 - July 4, 1991); contact: SIF, Via L. degli Ondalo 2, 40124 Bologna, ITALY. From the Second Annual Conference proceedings, we recommend: M. McKubre (SRI), "Isothermal Flow Calorimetric Investigations Of The D/Pd System," p. 419 - 443 M. McKubre et al., "Isothermal flow calorimetric investigations of the D/Pd and H/Pd systems," J. Electroanal. Chem. 368 (1994) 55 M. H. Miles (Naval Air Weapons Center), B. F. Bush (SRI), D. E. Stillwell (CAES), "Calorimetric Principles and Problems in Measurements of Excess Power during Pd-D2O Electrolysis," J. Phys. Chem. 1994, 98, p. 1948-1952 M. Fleischmann (Univ. Southampton), S. Pons (IMRA Europe), "Calorimetry of the Pd-D2O system: from simplicity via complications to simplicity," Physics Letters A, 176 (1993) 118-129 E. Storms (Los Alamos), "Review of Experimental Observations About The Cold Fusion Effect," Fusion Technology, Vol. 20, Dec. 1991 433 - 477. Dated, but still a superb technical introduction to the field. O. Reifenschweiler (Philips), "Reduced radioactivity of tritium in small titanium particles," Physics Letters A, 184 (1994) 149-153 M. H. Miles and R. A. Hollins (Naval Air Weapons Center), B.F. Bush and J.J. Lagowski (Univ. Texas), "Correlation of excess power and helium production during D2O and H2O electrolysis using palladium cathodes," J. of Electroanalytical Chemistry, 346 (1993) 99 - 117. H. Gerischer (Fritz Harber Institute Der Max Plank), "Memorandum On The Present State Of Knowledge On Cold Fusion." MEDIA COVERAGE BBC "Horizon" series science documentary, "Too Close to the Sun." Broadcast in the U.K. and Canada, March 1994. Popular Science, August 1993 issue, "COLD FUSION Fact or Fantasy," by Jerry Bishop, cover story Sunday Times (U.K.), June 27, 1993, "Nuclear confusion," by Neville Hodgkinson, cover story The National Public Radio (NPR) program "Science Friday" on June 25, 1993 was devoted to cold fusion. It was moderated by Ira Flatow. Panelists included Michael McKubre of SRI, John Huizenga of Rochester University, Peter Hagelstein of MIT, Melvin Miles of the Naval Air Warfare Center, and Bruce Lewenstein of Cornell University. For a tape, send $12.50 to: NPR Tapes * Washington, DC 20036 * Visa orders: 202-822-2323. Specify the date (06/25/93) The NPR program "Science Friday" was again devoted to cold fusion on January 20, 1995. The Canadian Broadcasting Company (CBC) broadcast a superb documentary on cold fusion on June 24, 1993, titled "The Secret Life of Cold Fusion." New York Times, November 17, 1992, "Cold Fusion, Derided in U.S., Is Hot In Japan," by Andrew Pollack, p. B5 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 15:38:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id PAA11329 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11287 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from v2.dialup.peg.apc.org (v2.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.194]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id KAA26092 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:36:50 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:36:50 +1000 Message-Id: <199602260036.KAA26092@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.958 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>> Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called >> "Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys >> hard-drives. >> Jim Francis >> AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH > >This is a hoax. Give it a rest it has been going around for years. Read >alt.urban.legends before posting warnings... or read the included info below... > > Michael.....my posting was around 2 weeks ago...there have been a multitude of responses since then. Why not check up on the thread before posting a 10 page response to a list who are already fully aware that the virus was a hoax...... Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 17:14:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA24067 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.stm.it (agora.stm.it [194.20.43.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24023 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [19.0.2.1] (agora.stm.it [194.20.43.1]) by agora.stm.it (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA22758 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:04:51 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:04:51 GMT Message-Id: <199602252004.UAA22758@agora.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.959 From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: fnrg: Joseph Newman's Motors Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi John - I am fairly new to fnrg mailing list but have researched the field of free energy for years to find actual workable devices. What you say about patents is exactly on target. For the field of free energy, patents are a net hindrance, not a protection. > a gag order, that prevents you (the filer) from discussing, >writing, revealing in anyway, the detail of the patent. In my opinion, a >patent is an invitation to a law suit anyway. If I were to develop a "free >energy" or over unity device, to hell with the patent, just start building >them and get as many out to the public as possible. That is your best >protection. Interesting thought that the government is more of a culprit than the oil companies or other energy monopoly multinationals. I suppose their interests go nicely in the same direction. > It is not the oil companies or the >automakers that prevent High milage fuel delivery systems from coming on >the market, it is our government, who is reluctant to see the revenue from >fuel sales decrease. > >John Draper >Greenville SC My experience is that whenever you find a workable system (and I have heard of a great many of them) the machine has already been at work stopping it from getting produced and into the public's hands. So the only way to really get around this would seem - as you suggest - to just build the frigging thing and get it into the hands of whoever will take it. Unless of course you get an unpleasant visit from a bunch of federal marshals that confiscate your stock of machines and your laboratory on some weird pretext such as supplying unsafe electrical apparatus or whatever. We do live in a strange world... Josef Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 18:03:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id SAA03404 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03384 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:03:10 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.960 From: Jules54321@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA14635 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:02:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:02:38 -0500 Message-ID: <960225210238_231127356@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Resubscribing - VOTING Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A In a message dated 96-02-25 09:53:14 EST, you write: >I would like to convert to a newsgroup so I can keep my mail box clean. Yes, indeed! Rich H. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 22:09:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id WAA14439 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA14412 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id WAA19944; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:08:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:08:56 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.961 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: microwaves, etc. In-Reply-To: <960219121843_225800578@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996 Jules54321@aol.com wrote: > I wonder if these effects are caused by a structuring of the water and/or > fuel molecules as occurs in water when it becomes "structured". To quote from > the book, "Spiritual Nutrition" by Gabriel Cousens, MD, "In structured water, There is an article on an experiment using structured water, and I drew up a suggested sensor based on this. I've not tried building it. Check out the "psychic energy sensor" in NOT YOUR AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT on Weird Science page. It's basically a way to see the distribution of scattering angles when a light beam is scattered by the microstructure of water. If crystals and healers are transmitters, then this is a receiver. If it works, of course. ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 22:23:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id WAA16486 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA16431 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id WAA20651; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:22:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:22:20 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.962 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Resubscribing - VOTING In-Reply-To: <960225210238_231127356@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > In a message dated 96-02-25 09:53:14 EST, you write: > > >I would like to convert to a newsgroup so I can keep my mail box clean. A similar newsgroup already exists. It's called alt.sci.physics.new-theories. If you've frequented that group, you know the problem. A free-energy-only newsgroup could be created, but I suspect it would immediately degenerate into flamewars like a.s.p.n-t. A list can have rules, and those who violate them can be unsubscribed. Newsgroups don't work that way. I'm looking into setting up a digest mode! ..............................freenrg-list................................ William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-LIST VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Feb 25 22:52:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id WAA20898 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.netconnect.com.au (ren.netconnect.com.au [203.7.198.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA20864 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsham1.netconnect.com.au (horsham1.netconnect.com.au [203.18.28.41]) by ren.netconnect.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA15800 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:58:32 +1100 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:58:32 +1100 Message-Id: <199602260658.RAA15800@ren.netconnect.com.au> X-Sender: ccarter@mail.netconnect.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.963 From: ccarter@netconnect.com.au (Chris Carter) Subject: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi everyone, A while ago someone posted some info on some form of electronic learning (teaching?) device, I belive it claimed to use some form of visual stimulation to somehow feed you information (lawnmower man style) Anyway I was wondering if anyone has heard of such a device or can remember what the original post was about. I really need any info on such a device for a psychology project, so would appreciate any response (possibly from the original poster). Thanks very much, Chris. ccarter@netconnect.com.au From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 00:59:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id AAA07790 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix14.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07781 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bos-ma5-25.ix.netcom.com by ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA24177; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:57:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:57:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199602260857.AAA24177@ix14.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.964 From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:30 AM 2/26/96 +1000, you wrote: >NEWMAN3.ASC > By WARREN E. LEARY AP Science Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Government > engineers say a backwoods inventor's amazing energy machine has a number >of unique > features but lacks a critical one -- it doesn't work. The National >Bureau of Standards said > Thursday that more than two months of court-ordered testing has failed >to prove Joseph W. > Newman's claims that his controversial machine produces more energy than >it consumes....... > >This is on the Australian site: > > >http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/KeelyNet/Energy/index.html > >Look under the alphabetical listing of "N" (for newman) The National Bureau of Standards did not have the proper equipment to do the test at that time. I read an account of the test proceedure. Because of a concern for damage to their instrumentation, additional components were installed to filter (dampen?) out the voltage spikes. P.S. Due to a number of inquires, I'd like to state here that I am not the Thermodynamic Dennis Lee. I am, in fact, the Zero Point Energy Dennis C. Lee (of Asian descent). From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 03:24:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA22601 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 03:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA22582 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 03:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.execpc.com (bpaddock@earth-le1.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA20448 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:23:53 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bpaddock@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7) id FAA04484; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:24:05 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.965 From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Johnson Motor & Kawai Motor Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:51:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 9 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I don't know if the Johnson motor works. Based on the cover >of his patent, where Johnson shows a graph relating to the >properties of the ferrite magnet used -- Johnson apparently >believed that the type of magnet is very important. That graph was supposidy added by the Paten office them self and was not part of Johnson's submition. Never heard of such a thing in any other case??? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 04:48:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id EAA28976 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA28964 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from t20.dialup.peg.apc.org (t20.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.148]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id XAA19869 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:46:59 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:46:59 +1000 Message-Id: <199602261346.XAA19869@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.966 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Newman's claims that his controversial machine produces more energy than >>it consumes....... >> >>This is on the Australian site: >> >> >>http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/KeelyNet/Energy/index.html >> >>Look under the alphabetical listing of "N" (for newman) > > >The National Bureau of Standards did not have the proper equipment to do the >test at that time. I read an account of the test proceedure. Because of a >concern for damage to their instrumentation, additional components were >installed to filter (dampen?) out the voltage spikes. > > I'm pleased to hear that.....this engine has grabbed my attention somewhat. Is there any site on the net with an actual diagram of how it works? The Newman site hasn't got much on it excerpt sales blurb. Jim Francis AUSTRALIAN LATERAL-MIND GROUP http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 04:50:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id EAA29310 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA29269 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from t20.dialup.peg.apc.org (t20.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.148]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.11 ) with SMTP id XAA20101 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:49:21 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:49:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199602261349.XAA20101@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.967 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) Subject: Re: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Hi everyone, > >A while ago someone posted some info on some form of electronic learning >(teaching?) device, I belive it claimed to use some form of visual >stimulation to somehow feed you information (lawnmower man style) >Anyway I was wondering if anyone has heard of such a device or can >remember what the original post was about. >I really need any info on such a device for a psychology project, so >would appreciate any response (possibly from the original poster). > >Thanks very much, > > >Chris. >ccarter@netconnect.com.au > The Zygon Learning machine falls into this category. I've got one and the effects are nothing short of amazing, particularly if you want to learn a foreign language. The theta, delta and alpha effects it produces are very mentally compelling. Jim Francis From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 07:20:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA17221 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from core.greenapple.com (root@core.greenapple.com [206.31.168.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA17201 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (port05.greenapple.com [206.31.168.15]) by core.greenapple.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10144 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602261517.KAA10144@core.greenapple.com> X-Sender: jshriver@greenapple.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.968 From: james shriver Subject: Re: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:49 PM 2/26/96 +1000, you wrote: >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>A while ago someone posted some info on some form of electronic learning >>(teaching?) device, I belive it claimed to use some form of visual >>stimulation to somehow feed you information (lawnmower man style) >>Anyway I was wondering if anyone has heard of such a device or can >>remember what the original post was about. >>I really need any info on such a device for a psychology project, so >>would appreciate any response (possibly from the original poster). >> >>Thanks very much, >> >> >>Chris. >>ccarter@netconnect.com.au >> >The Zygon Learning machine falls into this category. I've got one and the >effects are nothing short of amazing, particularly if you want to learn a >foreign language. >The theta, delta and alpha effects it produces are very mentally compelling. > >Jim Francis > > >If anyones interested in purchasing the learning machine, I sell them.$600 a piece includes software.I can email you a little info privately if interested. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 08:58:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA04212 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA04186 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:58:23 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.969 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaepn20674; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaepn29353; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA825356029; Mon, 26 Feb 96 09:28:32 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 09:28:32 EDT Encoding: 48 Text Message-Id: <9601268253.AA825356029@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: psionics Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I've have a CD with some recordings from hemysync, or the Monroe Institute. They produce two pure tones with a slight difference in frequencies, in each channel. The effect for the user consist of hearing a superimposed tone with a frequency equal to the difference of the two original frequencies. The mixing is done in the brain. If you have a sound blaster card an the software, you can see the frequencies in your screen. The tones are mixed with new age music. I have used the one for sleeping, though I got better results that using other methods, the sleep wasn't very recharging. Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: psionics Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/23/96 06:31 PM Is anyone on this alias familiar with the pacer devices put out by Lord Industries? They have types of devices which send a different frequency through each ear, thus according to them, causing a third frequency which can induce alpha states or other states depending on the frequencies used. They also sell radionic devices. I would be interested if anyone has tried these as well. Thanks in advance for any input, comments, criticisms, etc. When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ () () () () () () () () () /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ .-##..___.##--..__##.---..##_..---##___..-##..___.##--..__##.---..##_. .-|//___..|//.___.|//-.___|//--.__|//---._|//.---.|//..---|//_..--|//_ .---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---._ .---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__ .--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.michael.miller@ebay.sun.com SUN MICROsystems--MIL12-04--2550 GARCIA AVE--MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94043-1100 It's no good, it's no good say the buyer; Then off he goes and boasts about his purchase. -- Proverbs 20:14 From harti@bbtt.de Mon Feb 26 13:40:13 1996 Received: from ns.bbtt.com (ns.bbtt.com [194.77.35.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA24330 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (harti.bbtt.com [194.77.35.75]) by ns.bbtt.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA10027 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:38:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:38:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199602262138.WAA10027@ns.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bilb@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.970 From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Resubscribing - VOTING Status: RO X-Status: At 22:22 25.02.1996 -0800, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 96-02-25 09:53:14 EST, you write: >> >> >I would like to convert to a newsgroup so I can keep my mail box clean. > >A similar newsgroup already exists. It's called >alt.sci.physics.new-theories. If you've frequented that group, you know >the problem. A free-energy-only newsgroup could be created, but I suspect >it would immediately degenerate into flamewars like a.s.p.n-t. A list >can have rules, and those who violate them can be unsubscribed. >Newsgroups don't work that way. > >I'm looking into setting up a digest mode! > What is a digest mode ??? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 17:17:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA00588 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00571 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id RAA08212; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:15:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.971 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: Newman Experiments, where's the proof? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: rshannon@ccgate1 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 14:51:50 EST To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman Experiments, where's the proof? >There are some camps that believe the additional power comes from the >arc plasma. While excess energy might be produced, by whatever means, how is this measured? The experiment described added inductance as well as mass, has a controlled experiment been conducted where the total inductance has been kept constant while the mass of the inductor was changed, and also shown a difference in energy? How about a series of tests that simply accounted for the higher energy stored as the inductance is increased? (this might have been done, but was not described in the original post.) The original post left out many important details. It is difficult to tell from the description of the experiment what the experiment shows, if anything. With modern magnetic materials, it should be possible to find inductors of equal inductance that differ in mass by huge amounts. (by factors of more than ten?) According to Mr. Newman's theories, at what rate does the stored energy increase as mass increases? This should be quite easy to test, and then say if Newman's theory stands as correct or not, unless the rate of energy storage increase with mass increase ratio is smaller then our ability to measure. (in which case, it might be argued that the phenomena does not exist.) Lets put the theory to test in a controlled way, so that we may put the theory to rest as proven or otherwise. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 17:18:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA01081 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01069 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id RAA08347; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:18:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.972 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Newman Energy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:14:03 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy At 23:46 26.02.1996 +1000, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > >> Newman's claims that his controversial machine produces more energy than >>>it consumes....... >>> >>>This is on the Australian site: >>> >>> >>>http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/KeelyNet/Energy/index.html I will have a look at this... >>> >>>Look under the alphabetical listing of "N" (for newman) >> >> >>The National Bureau of Standards did not have the proper equipment to do the >>test at that time. I read an account of the test proceedure. Because of a >>concern for damage to their instrumentation, additional components were >>installed to filter (dampen?) out the voltage spikes. That is right ! The NBS report is totally wrong. They did not know, how to measure the machine. I have included that in my study work for the Technical University of Berlin, where I did a study work about the Newman machines a few years ago. >> >> >I'm pleased to hear that.....this engine has grabbed my attention somewhat. >Is there any site on the net with an actual diagram of how it works? >The Newman site hasn't got much on it excerpt sales blurb. You will hear a lot more on my upcoming Free Energy WEB site in the near future. I will also publish over there my study work about the new Newman machines. So far the ISDN line is installed now, if only the driver would work right..... a few more days of configuartion work and the site will be up... >Jim Francis >AUSTRALIAN LATERAL-MIND GROUP >http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking > Regards, Stefan. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 17:24:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA01987 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01969 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id RAA08628; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:23:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:23:51 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.973 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:31:01 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Newman Energy Cc: jfrancis@pop.peg.apc.org At 01:30 26.02.1996 +1000, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: >> >> "On Thursday, August 10, 1995, Joseph Newman demonstrated his newest >> production model of his motor/generator: From 8:00AM to 8:00PM- >> and attached to a Grainger Reciprocating Pump-The Newman Motor/ >> Generator pumped 1 gallon of water per minute at 12 PSI at the Lucedale, >> Mississippi City Park. The voltage source was a local alternating current >> connection to the Newman Motor/Generator through a conventional house watt >> meter. When a conventional motor was operated on this system the house watt >> meter proceeded to turn, indicating that external electrical energy was >> being consumed. > Where did you found this article ??? Can please somebody post the whole article ? Thanks a lot in advance. I am interested in all Newman put out lately... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 17:27:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA02574 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA02564 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id RAA08896; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:27:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.974 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Brice Perrault's Radiant Energy Device Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:06:47 -0200 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: Zachary Fridman Subject: Re: fnrg: Brice Perrault's Radiant Energy Device How can I order by e-mail or www the plans of Perrault Device ??? Thanks in advance Zachary From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Mon Feb 26 18:37:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA10624 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA10524 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA06826 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:20:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:20:44 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.975 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: The Cold Fusion Meeting - Jan. 20, 1996 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This file is taken from the Institute for New Energy Web Site at: www.padrak.com/ine/ If you are at all interested: See the new (2/25/96) Subject Index at: www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html INFINITE ENERGY MEETING By Hal Fox =46rom: NEN, Vol. 3, No. 9, February 1996, p. 3. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc. COPYING NOT ALLOWED without written permission. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The magazine, "Infinite Energy," sponsored the "Cold Fusion and New Energy Symposium" at the Cambridge Marriott Hotel on Saturday, January 20, 1996. An estimated 150 persons attended this annual event, previously held at MIT. Following is a brief report of the topics covered at this one day symposium. The next issue of Infinite Energy will have further details. Introduction and Overview by Gene Mallove: The meeting began with Eugene F. Mallove, editor of Infinite Energy, gave an introduction and overview of the growing field of cold fusion and new energy. As a part of the presentation, the following video clips were presented: Tom Passell of Electric Power Research Institute presented evidence of heavy involvement in nuclear reactions; a Clean Energy Technologies, Inc. video tape about the Patterson Power Cell [TM] (PPC); and Dennis Cravens' PPC presentation at the SOFE '95 conference held in Champaign, IL, in October, 1995. Jed Rothwell, a contributing editor to Infinite Energy, and a member of the Cold Fusion Research Advocates, presented a detailed report of the latest public demonstration of the PPC, as given at the December PowerGen '95 conference in Anaheim, California. In addition to reporting on the details of the PPC demonstration, Rothwell made some pertinent comments about the business sales strategy for new energy devices. Widespread sales of non-exclusive license rights is highly recommended, together with a marking strategy that would participate in every available type of free advertising, such as through any of the many news media resources. Mitchell R. Swartz presented his report, "Impact of Technologic Advances," particularly as accomplished by Jet Technology (a company founded by Swartz). Swartz presented some excellent information about the progress Jet Technology has been making in the development and detailed understanding of the processes involved in cold fusion. Swartz has several patents pending for important cold fusion technology. He also has several papers being peer-reviewed for publication. Mitchell Swartz must be considered one of the foremost self-funded cold fusion researchers in the world. We look forward to the review of his important publications. We expect that his papers will shed further light into the basic mechanism(s) that are responsible for the cold fusion phenomena. Jet Technology is among those companies that highly deserve the support of the venture capital community. James Patterson, Hal Puthoff and Paul Czysz appeared and presented information via the video, "It Runs on Water." Patterson talks about his early work (pre-1989) in finding anomalous heat and his approach to the development of the PPC. Hal Puthoff predicts that new energy sources will be found. During lunch the Canadian Broadcast Company's video of "Too Close to the Sun" was played. Of historical interest are the negative comments by Frank Close and also by John Maddox, the editor of "Nature." The negative assurance of Close and Maddox made a strong contrast to the successful reports of new energy sources presented at this symposium. James L Griggs reported on his latest developments of HydroDynamics' newest versions of the Hydrosonic Pump. Commercially being produced and installed to provide lower-cost hot water or steam, the latest pumps provide COP (Coefficient of Performance) of 130 to 150 percent. Griggs reported on a recent signing of a joint research effort with NASA at Huntsville which includes independent efficiency measures of the operation of the hydrosonic pump. Hal Fox, together with Gene Mallove, made the first public presentation of the research results of the "Cincinnati Group." This group of privately-funded researchers prefer to remain anonymous for the present. Two important discoveries have been made by the Cincinnati group: the amelioration of radioactive materials and a new method for heat production at very high temperatures. Hal Fox related the role that he has played for the past two years in advising and encouraging this group in their remarkable new discoveries. The Cincinnati group asked that the following information be presented: A patent application was filed on December 23, 1995, relating to a process by which natural radioactivity is greatly reduced by the use of a specially designed reactor. Demonstrations of the ability to reduce radioactivity are being arranged with a government contractor hired to cleanup one of the many U.S. government radioactive sites. Mallove showed a video clip of the Cincinnati group's discovery of a new means of producing a high-temperature with miniature "fire ball." The video shows an input 70-watt device creating a high-temperature and melting the surface of a ceramic tile (which melts at about 4500=B0F). Another vide= o clip shows the same process being used on a piece of quartz and the melting of a copper penny. The preliminary calculations indicate that excess heat of about ten times the input electric energy is being produced. The low-budget work of these researchers deserves the immediate attention of the financial community!!! Hal Fox also made a short presentation of the "Commercialization of Cold =46usion" in which he cites cold fusion projects (such as the Patterson Powe= r Cell) that are being commercialized. Also presented was a brief description of the Shoulders' high-density charge dusters' ability to tap space energy (U.S. Patent 5,018,180). This technology is expected to become a major method of producing low-cost electrical energy. The third important energy development is the mechanical energy produced by the Takahashi super motor. (See also the presentation by Chris Tinsley.) Fox reported that these three technologies are being or are expected to be commercialized during 1996-97. All three of these technologies deserve substantial funding by the investment community due to their capability to produce very large returns on investment, encouraged Hal Fox, Keith Johnson, an MIT professor, reported in detail on his cold fusion patent where latent heat of water is one of the heat-producing sources. Johnson also played a clip from his forthcoming "cold fusion movie", "Breaking Symmetry." This movie captures some of the realistic drama behind the discovery and controversy of cold fusion and other scientific discoveries. Christopher P. Tinsley, from Nottingham, UK, (and a contributing editor to Infinite Energy) presented information about his efforts to prove the over-unity heat-producing capability of the Potapov water-vortexing tube. He showed pictures of dozens of these devices being produced in Moldavia. All U.S. tests of this interesting device failed to show over-unity heat production. In addition, Tinsley showed a video clip of a ride on the Sciex Magnet Powered Scooter. Sciex, Ltd. is the U.K. company that plans to build the Y.T. magnets invented by Y. Takahashi. As previously reported in this newsletter, the super magnet has been used as the central element in a super motor that has a reported efficiency of over 300 percent. Tinsley showed shots of the motor installed in a moped or motor scooter. A video film clip: "Magnetic Motor Development" made by Fuji Television in 1993 was shown to the audience. Paul A LaViolette made a presentation on "Loopholes in the First Law - Cosmic Evidence?" See page 17 in this issue an article by Paul LaViolette, "Brown Dwarf Discovery Confirms Theory of Spontaneous Energy Generation." =46or further work of Paul LaViolette, the reader may want to read "Beyond the Big Bang, Ancient Myth and the Science of Continuous Creation," a 1995 book by Paul A. LaViolette. [FIC purchased a copy of this book and will review it in a future newsletter.] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 02:36:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id CAA18163 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 02:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from big.aa.net (root@big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA18147; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 02:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from s3c0p5.aa.net (s3c0p5.aa.net [204.157.220.137]) by big.aa.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11923; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 02:35:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199602271035.CAA11923@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:34:54 +0800 To: phoenix@eskimo.com, ghawk@eskimo.com, palbank@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.976 From: Michael Mandeville Subject: fnrg: RE: NETIZENS ALERT AND JAVA Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Well, I obtained a little satisfaction. They, the Money Page, turned off the Java Script. They aren't talking to me yet though. So at this point I have decided not to flame them directly. They are acting responsibly. It's a nice site with many good references. I still intend to collect for lost time, though. This issue of JAVA is only beginning to be joined. Prophecy: eventually you too are going to get your butt bit by a Java Jive artist. I think this story, minus the actual site, needs to be written and circulated in the Net. I am going to create a special web page about this and inform you of its url. Sorry Vortex and Free Energy Lists, this is way off your topics. I just had to communicate this issue and this one will affect you all. Although this was an accident due to an arrogant intrusion with buggy software, others will come along with genuine intent to commit a cyber-mugging, whether for personal information about your computer and your computing habit, or your software choices, or just for the hell of it, or searching for passwords, etc. The JAVA concept is the point of entry for this type of mischief, which is designed to enable small time software programmers to easily create and incorporate all kinds of batch executables through the Netscape interface to run on your system. There is only one thing we can tell these people: NOT ON MY COMPUTER. Naturally, they will claim that Netscape/Java program does not provide ability to function out of the Netscape parameters. But hey, once you are on Internet with a session address, you too can be summoned through ftp from a third party, such as might be initiated by a JAVA call...I just will not believe for a minute that they can prevent hackers and crackers from creating all sorts of end runs...and biting you good. I can see the whole generation of virus designers moving into this fertile new territory, well in advance of anybody's thoughts of user security. Think long and hard about this, my friends. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 05:17:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id JAA04985 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu [129.252.41.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04939 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:02:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602261702.JAA04939@mail.eskimo.com> Received: from UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 0669; Mon, 26 Feb 96 12:02:51 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin QUANTUM@UNIVSCVM) by UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9661; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:02:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 12:00:14 EST X-UIDL: 834952770.977 From: Brian Subject: fnrg: Tanks!! To: FREENRG-LIST@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks for posting the cold fusion info. I can see that I have a lot of work waiting for me. If I find out anything interesting I will let the group know. BTW, anyone here interested in reproducing some CF experiments? -Brian From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 05:17:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA11037 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA10994 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id PAA26240 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:23:49 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.978 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602262023.PAA26240@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: mouse for foot To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freng) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:23:48 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm working on a project, and was wondering if anybody knows of a computer mouse that you move with your foot. This is very importaint that I know, please let me know. Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 05:21:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA12123 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de [134.109.132.55]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA11967 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de by obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with Local SMTP (PP) id <09611-0@obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:29:14 +0100 Received: from click.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (click.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de [134.109.72.21]) by mailbox.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA13961; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:29:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from click (localhost) by click.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (5.0/client-1.5) id AA02974; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:29:13 +0100 Message-Id: <31321818.68FB@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:29:12 +0100 X-UIDL: 834952770.979 From: Peggy Bochmann Organization: TU Chemnitz-Zwickau X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4c) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: psionics References: <9601268253.AA825356029@westatpo.westat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Is anyone on this alias familiar with the pacer devices put out by Lord > Industries? > > They have types of devices which send a different frequency through each > ear, thus according to them, causing a third frequency which can induce > alpha states or other states depending on the frequencies used. > > They also sell radionic devices. I would be interested if anyone has > tried these as well. > I have only heard bad reviews of Lord Industries. Can you call them if something goes wrong? There are reputable radionic equipment manufacturers. Try Hieronymous, perhaps. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 05:31:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA02782 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA02739 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:48:29 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.980 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaepn18830; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaepn27480; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA825364121; Mon, 26 Feb 96 11:44:29 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 11:44:29 EDT Encoding: 40 Text Message-Id: <9601268253.AA825364121@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: what is your e-mail address? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fnrg: Please Help. Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/26/96 11:03 AM At 11:49 PM 2/26/96 +1000, you wrote: >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>A while ago someone posted some info on some form of electronic learning >>(teaching?) device, I belive it claimed to use some form of visual >>stimulation to somehow feed you information (lawnmower man style) >>Anyway I was wondering if anyone has heard of such a device or can >>remember what the original post was about. >>I really need any info on such a device for a psychology project, so >>would appreciate any response (possibly from the original poster). >> >>Thanks very much, >> >> >>Chris. >>ccarter@netconnect.com.au >> >The Zygon Learning machine falls into this category. I've got one and the >effects are nothing short of amazing, particularly if you want to learn a >foreign language. >The theta, delta and alpha effects it produces are very mentally compelling. > >Jim Francis > > >If anyones interested in purchasing the learning machine, I sell them.$600 a piece includes software.I can email you a little info privately if interested. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 05:32:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA11091 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA11004 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07040 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:59 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.981 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Institute for New Energy Site Upgraded! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The INE Site at www.padrak.com/ine/ had a major upgrade yesterday, including: Feb. 25, 1996 Major Upgrade: Added a Web Sites file of linked advanced-energy web sites. Added a Subject Index (within this site). Added the "Free Energy Machine Demonstrated" news article. Added new Articles from recent issues of NEN: See These! Infinite Energy Meeting - Jan. 20, 1996, MIT Three Energy Technologies for the 21st Century Major Developments in Cold Fusion Meeting the One-Watt Challenge "Free Energy" As Seen on British TV Letter from Arthur C. Clarke MRA Measuring Methods Infinite Energy Magazine On Free Energy Developments, The IANS and the INE The INE World Wide Web (WWW) Site Lest We Forget! Added new Meetings Announcements. Updated the PACE Organization file. Added NEN TOC for February 1996. NEN Number errors fixed, 1994-1995. NEN TOC for February 1994 added (was lost). See This! Site Counter = 921. An easy place to start is the new Subject Index (within the site) at: www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:09:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id GAA08468 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 06:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from core.greenapple.com (root@core.greenapple.com [206.31.168.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA08444 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 06:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (port05.greenapple.com [206.31.168.15]) by core.greenapple.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA23085 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:08:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:08:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602271408.JAA23085@core.greenapple.com> X-Sender: jshriver@greenapple.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.982 From: james shriver Subject: Re[2]: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: sorry about this,I guess Zygon the company that makes the machines has gone out of business.I didn't know until this morning.Got an email from an associate of mine telling me about it. Oh and sorry for bothering the whole list..... From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:17:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA10968 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA10925 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA06999 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:28 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.983 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Who Discovered E=m*c-squared! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This file is taken from the Institute for New Energy Web Site at: www.padrak.com/ine/ If you are at all interested: See the new (2/25/96) Subject Index at: www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html LETTER FROM ARTHUR C. CLARKE From: NEN, Vol. 3, No. 9, February 1996, p. 19. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc. COPYING NOT ALLOWED without written permission. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Hal, [No, not the computer in 2001] Thanks for the January New Energy News that just arrived. A couple of comments you might like to print: l. My "Voice Across the Sea" (Harper 1958) contains a chapter "The Man Before Einstein," in which I point out that by 1890 Heaviside had already arrived at a rigorous proof of E = M C-Squared in his "Electromagnetic Theory." 2. Tapping the earth's rotation by gyroscopes -- this was used in a science fiction story, probably in "Amazing," around about 1930. I seem to recall pictures of gigantic gyroscopes many stories high. Unfortunately they triggered earthquakes, so the whole idea had to be abandoned! Keep up the good work -- I really hope that 1996 is the beginning of the new era. Already there's been spin-off from the interview The Sunday Telegraph ran with me on the last day of 1995.... All Best, /s/ Dr. Arthur C. Clarke, CBE From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:26:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA01343 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (bilb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01299 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.4) id RAA08442; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:20:08 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.984 From: William Beaty To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Johnson Motor & Kawai Motor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:21:24 +0100 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-list@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fnrg: Johnson Motor & Kawai Motor At 15:51 25.02.1996 -0500, freenrg-list@eskimo.com wrote: > >>I don't know if the Johnson motor works. Based on the cover >>of his patent, where Johnson shows a graph relating to the >>properties of the ferrite magnet used -- Johnson apparently >>believed that the type of magnet is very important. > > That graph was supposidy added by the Paten office them self and >was not part of Johnson's submition. Never heard of such a thing in any >other case??? > I heard, that the "banana type" magnet motor does not run, when the magnets are fixed. Only when the banana magnets are hold in hand by an operator, it acts likes repulsion and the rotor begins to turn, but that is only, becuase the hand of the operator shakes a little back and force and thus generating the power to let it rotate... On a fixed stator and rotor this motor will not work... Also Johnson could not show a working model since his patent application.... A few years ago I tried to call Johnson and he only said to me, I should look into the patent. Probably he was frustrated that his invenmtion did not work... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service _Buy our Internet MPEG CD-ROM ! Visit the WEB_ Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann _site below !_ Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.com Web site: http://www.bbtt.com/harti/harti.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:26:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA11141 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA11108 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07075 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:31 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.985 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold Fusion Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi All! > > I was wondering if anyone knew of where to get info on the cold fusion >stuff. And as an added bonus: The INE Site at www.padrak.com/ine/ had a major upgrade yesterday, including: Feb. 25, 1996 Major Upgrade: Added a Web Sites file of linked advanced-energy web sites. Added a Subject Index (within this site). Added the "Free Energy Machine Demonstrated" news article. Added new Articles from recent issues of NEN: See These! Infinite Energy Meeting - Jan. 20, 1996, MIT Three Energy Technologies for the 21st Century Major Developments in Cold Fusion Meeting the One-Watt Challenge "Free Energy" As Seen on British TV Letter from Arthur C. Clarke MRA Measuring Methods Infinite Energy Magazine On Free Energy Developments, The IANS and the INE The INE World Wide Web (WWW) Site Lest We Forget! Added new Meetings Announcements. Updated the PACE Organization file. Added NEN TOC for February 1996. NEN Number errors fixed, 1994-1995. NEN TOC for February 1994 added (was lost). See This! Site Counter = 921. An easy place to start is the new Subject Index (within the site) at: www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:37:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA29747 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA29723 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id LAA18594; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:18:36 -0800 Received: from wolves.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA06351; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:18:33 -0800 Received: by wolves.EBay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09710; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:18:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:18:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.986 From: Michael.Miller@ebay.sun.com (Michael D. Miller) Message-Id: <9602261918.AA09710@wolves.EBay.Sun.COM> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, jfrancis@peg.apc.org Subject: Re: fnrg: New Virus X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >>> Just got a warning from my server about an Email message called > >> "Good Times". They say it is a particularly nasty viris that destroys > >> hard-drives. > > >> Jim Francis > >> AUSTRALIAN LATERAL MIND RESEARCH > > > > >This is a hoax. Give it a rest it has been going around for years. Read > >alt.urban.legends before posting warnings... or read the included info below... > > > > > Michael.....my posting was around 2 weeks ago...there have been a multitude > of responses since then. Why not check up on the thread before posting a 10 > page response to a list who are already fully aware that the virus was a > hoax...... > > Jim Francis > Acutally Jim, I got your post nine days ago and I responded 8 days ago. This is another list that doesn't post postings right away for some reason. Probably lousy mail-servers or since it is moderated, the moderator couldn't decide to post it or not. When I posted my info, there were no posts claiming it to be a hoax. After seeing this posted over the years along with the stupid "send cards to Craig Shergold" stuff, it gets pretty irritating and creates a gut reaction. Although it is understandable that there will always be someone who doesn't know this, in fact, a good friend of mine just posted the same warning to our little alias we have among several of us. He got the "10 page" response too... :^) When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl." _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ () () () () () () () () () /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ /[]\ .-##..___.##--..__##.---..##_..---##___..-##..___.##--..__##.---..##_. .-|//___..|//.___.|//-.___|//--.__|//---._|//.---.|//..---|//_..--|//_ .---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---.___.---._ .---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__.---.__ .--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.__.--.michael.miller@ebay.sun.com SUN MICROsystems--MIL12-04--2550 GARCIA AVE--MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94043-1100 Do not hit at all if it can be avoided, but never hit softly. -- Theodore Roosevelt From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:55:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA11144 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA11102 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07065 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:24:24 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.987 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: fnrg: Cold Fusion Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi All! > > I was wondering if anyone knew of where to get info on the cold fusion >stuff. Your Fairy Godmother read your email! MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Dana Richard Rotegard, MCFA December 7, 1995. From: NEN, Vol. 3, No. 8, January 1996, pp. 5-6. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc. COPYING NOT ALLOWED without written permission. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Major European Patent Grant The European patent office has issued a Notice of Intent to grant the Pons-Fleischmann patent for cold fusion. Filed by the University of Utah in 1989, this cold fusion patent (and over 200 others) has been denied by the U.S. patent office. The University of Utah has licensed this patent to ENECO (formerly Fusion Energy Applied Technology Inc.) of Salt Lake City. ENECO's science board includes several prominent cold fusion scientists including Dr. Richard Oriani of the University of Minnesota and Dr. Ed Storms formerly of LANL. The late Minoru Toyoda, founder of Toyota Motors tried to acquire this patent filing from the University of Utah. Beside being another vindication for Drs. Fleischmann and Pons, this patent grant signals a change in official attitudes toward cold fusion science in Europe. Italian Industrial Backing FIAT sponsored a small cold fusion gathering from October 11-13 in Asti, Italy, of about 40 intentionally prominent cold fusion researchers including Dr. Storms of ENECO. After the conference FIAT announced sponsorship of Dr. Piantelli's cold fusion research. Japanese MITI Increases Cold Fusion Commitment The Japanese government announced an increase from $30 million to $100 million of its cold fusion R&D budget. The program is administered through MITI with labs based in Sapporo near the Toyota R&D effort and at the University of Hokkaido. According to Dr. Hal Fox, editor of Fusion Facts and NEN, over 100 cold fusion patents have been granted in Japan, including the "ceramic" cold fusion patent of Dr. Mizuno (sponsored by Mitsubishi). Dr. Mizuno lectured at the University of Minnesota in June where ceramic cold fusion research continues under the direction of Dr. Oriani. Prototype Demonstrated at University of Illinois The University of Illinois and the American Nuclear Society convention witnessed a major demonstration when Clean Energy Technology, Inc., unveiled a 20 watt light-water cold fusion cell operating at a 70 to 1 energy profit. C.E.T.I's Drs. Cravens and Patterson had demonstrated the same technology in Monte Carlo in April. Dr. George Miley, the editor of the respected Fusion Technology and several University of Illinois graduate assistants monitored the experiment's calorimetry and setup. Dr. Cravens hopes to upscale this heat source to near a kilowatt and prototype an electric car battery recharger in early 1996. The Media Sleeps Despite mainstream front-page coverage of these developments in Italy and Japan, there has been little coverage, either printed or electronic, of these developments in the United States. "Science on Friday"'s Ira Flato on NPR covered the CETI demonstration. Otherwise, little science news on these major developments has appeared outside specialized American cold fusion newsletters such as Cold Fusion Times, Ed. Dr. M. Swartz; Fusion Facts, Ed. Dr. H. Fox; and Infinite Energy, Ed. Dr. E. Mallove. The Cold Fusion Electric Car Major work on Cold Fusion as a power source for electric cars is underway in the R&D labs of several major international auto manufacturers led by Toyota, the sponsors of Dr. Fleischmann and Pons lab near Nice, France. The American "Big Three" of GM, Ford, and Chrysler continue to fight electric car mandates in Massachusetts, New York, and California. Quite clearly, the executives of American auto companies are ignoring the example of their overseas competition and the cutting edge scientific developments that could make internal combustion technology economically obsolete. Third Wave Energy Activism Under the provisions of the Massachusetts Clean Air Act, by 1998, 2% of Massachusetts' new cars must be emissionless. A variety of small companies have emerged in the so called "platinum perimeter" outside Boston to capture this market. I visited the labs of Jet Technology, in Wellesley Hills last November, for close talks on this subject with Dr. Mitchell Swartz. This summer a coalition of entrepreneurs, economic futurists, environmental groups such as MASSPIRG, and medical lobbies such as the American Lung Association successfully defended the electric car mandates from an attempted rollback by Detroit. Cold fusion and breakthroughs in zero point energy technology make it possible that market forces will soon end the age of fossil fuel. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 06:59:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA10897 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA10799 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA06948 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:22:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:22:36 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.988 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This file is taken from the Institute for New Energy Web Site at: www.padrak.com/ine/ If you are at all interested: See the new (2/25/96) Subject Index at: www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS IN COLD FUSION Dana Richard Rotegard, MCFA December 7, 1995. From: NEN, Vol. 3, No. 8, January 1996, pp. 5-6. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc. COPYING NOT ALLOWED without written permission. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Major European Patent Grant The European patent office has issued a Notice of Intent to grant the Pons-Fleischmann patent for cold fusion. Filed by the University of Utah in 1989, this cold fusion patent (and over 200 others) has been denied by the U.S. patent office. The University of Utah has licensed this patent to ENECO (formerly Fusion Energy Applied Technology Inc.) of Salt Lake City. ENECO's science board includes several prominent cold fusion scientists including Dr. Richard Oriani of the University of Minnesota and Dr. Ed Storms formerly of LANL. The late Minoru Toyoda, founder of Toyota Motors tried to acquire this patent filing from the University of Utah. Beside being another vindication for Drs. Fleischmann and Pons, this patent grant signals a change in official attitudes toward cold fusion science in Europe. Italian Industrial Backing FIAT sponsored a small cold fusion gathering from October 11-13 in Asti, Italy, of about 40 intentionally prominent cold fusion researchers including Dr. Storms of ENECO. After the conference FIAT announced sponsorship of Dr. Piantelli's cold fusion research. Japanese MITI Increases Cold Fusion Commitment The Japanese government announced an increase from $30 million to $100 million of its cold fusion R&D budget. The program is administered through MITI with labs based in Sapporo near the Toyota R&D effort and at the University of Hokkaido. According to Dr. Hal Fox, editor of Fusion Facts and NEN, over 100 cold fusion patents have been granted in Japan, including the "ceramic" cold fusion patent of Dr. Mizuno (sponsored by Mitsubishi). Dr. Mizuno lectured at the University of Minnesota in June where ceramic cold fusion research continues under the direction of Dr. Oriani. Prototype Demonstrated at University of Illinois The University of Illinois and the American Nuclear Society convention witnessed a major demonstration when Clean Energy Technology, Inc., unveiled a 20 watt light-water cold fusion cell operating at a 70 to 1 energy profit. C.E.T.I's Drs. Cravens and Patterson had demonstrated the same technology in Monte Carlo in April. Dr. George Miley, the editor of the respected Fusion Technology and several University of Illinois graduate assistants monitored the experiment's calorimetry and setup. Dr. Cravens hopes to upscale this heat source to near a kilowatt and prototype an electric car battery recharger in early 1996. The Media Sleeps Despite mainstream front-page coverage of these developments in Italy and Japan, there has been little coverage, either printed or electronic, of these developments in the United States. "Science on Friday"'s Ira Flato on NPR covered the CETI demonstration. Otherwise, little science news on these major developments has appeared outside specialized American cold fusion newsletters such as Cold Fusion Times, Ed. Dr. M. Swartz; Fusion Facts, Ed. Dr. H. Fox; and Infinite Energy, Ed. Dr. E. Mallove. The Cold Fusion Electric Car Major work on Cold Fusion as a power source for electric cars is underway in the R&D labs of several major international auto manufacturers led by Toyota, the sponsors of Dr. Fleischmann and Pons lab near Nice, France. The American "Big Three" of GM, Ford, and Chrysler continue to fight electric car mandates in Massachusetts, New York, and California. Quite clearly, the executives of American auto companies are ignoring the example of their overseas competition and the cutting edge scientific developments that could make internal combustion technology economically obsolete. Third Wave Energy Activism Under the provisions of the Massachusetts Clean Air Act, by 1998, 2% of Massachusetts' new cars must be emissionless. A variety of small companies have emerged in the so called "platinum perimeter" outside Boston to capture this market. I visited the labs of Jet Technology, in Wellesley Hills last November, for close talks on this subject with Dr. Mitchell Swartz. This summer a coalition of entrepreneurs, economic futurists, environmental groups such as MASSPIRG, and medical lobbies such as the American Lung Association successfully defended the electric car mandates from an attempted rollback by Detroit. Cold fusion and breakthroughs in zero point energy technology make it possible that market forces will soon end the age of fossil fuel. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 07:05:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA16699 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA16675 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:04:11 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.989 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaesy13019; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaesy20634; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA825444219; Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:00:25 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:00:25 EDT Encoding: 20 Text Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825444219@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: mouse for foot Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I saw it featured last week on the local news. (Washington area). I think the fellow is around here. Ismael Flores floresi1@weststat.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: fnrg: mouse for foot Author: freenrg-list@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 02/27/96 08:46 AM I'm working on a project, and was wondering if anybody knows of a computer mouse that you move with your foot. This is very importaint that I know, please let me know. Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 07:08:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA17281 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA17270 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.990 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaesy13452; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaesy21279; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA825444408; Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:04:51 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:04:51 EDT Encoding: 7 Text Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825444408@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: what is this haarp? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? I saw half of a report some time ago. what is this about? Thanks Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 07:16:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id HAA18871 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA18838 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.991 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Received: from alterdial.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaesy26052; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from westatpo.westat.com by alterdial.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaesy22564; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by westatpo.westat.com id AA825444768; Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:07:59 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:07:59 EDT Encoding: 14 Text Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825444768@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re[3]: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> >The Zygon Learning machine falls into this category. I've got one and the >effects are nothing short of amazing, particularly if you want to learn a >foreign language. >The theta, delta and alpha effects it produces are very mentally compelling. > >Jim Francis > any ideas how this machine works? Is it similar to the brain machines that flashes lights to certain rates or is something new? From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 08:04:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA27142 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from core.greenapple.com (root@core.greenapple.com [206.31.168.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27099 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (port05.greenapple.com [206.31.168.15]) by core.greenapple.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA28341 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:04:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:04:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602271604.LAA28341@core.greenapple.com> X-Sender: jshriver@greenapple.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.992 From: james shriver Subject: Re: Re[3]: fnrg: Please Help. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:07 AM 2/27/96 EDT, you wrote: > > > >>> >>The Zygon Learning machine falls into this category. I've got one and the >>effects are nothing short of amazing, particularly if you want to learn a >>foreign language. >>The theta, delta and alpha effects it produces are very mentally compelling. >> >>Jim Francis >> > any ideas how this machine works? Is it similar to the brain machines > that flashes lights to certain rates or is something new? > heres a little info on the cd's programming- Played throught the digital circuitry of the Leaning Machine, each Learning CD uses scientifically designed algorithms(program instructions) to deliver digitized patterns of lights and sound into your mind.This unique matrix of light and sound stimulates what scinetist have termed "whole brain synchrony"-a state in which both sides of the brain operate in unison. Layered over this "learning matrix" is a mix of harmonic musical textures combined with information and instructional material that incorporate a 5-step learning process. The result of these multiple technologies is powerful. > > > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 08:05:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA27264 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from milkyway.nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27216 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:04:58 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.993 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com (ccgate2.nectech.com [128.191.49.151]) by milkyway.nectech.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16044 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA825447756; Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:48:58 EST Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:48:58 EST Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825447756@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: HAARP project. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? High Altitude Auroral Research Project. This involves the most powerful transmitter and antenna array ever constructed. It is claimed to be a research project for the study of the ionosphere. Many suggest that the funding level and scope of the installations is far beyond the claimed application. Quite similar claims are also made of the GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) system, and it is suggested that these programs might be connected in some way. I have not seen any published report on the linking of modulations transmitted by these systems as yet however. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 10:26:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA22598 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from milkyway.nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA22550 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:25:19 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.994 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com (ccgate2.nectech.com [128.191.49.151]) by milkyway.nectech.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20550 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA825456247; Tue, 27 Feb 96 13:21:47 EST Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 13:21:47 EST Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825456247@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: INE Web page updated. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was interested in reading the article on the MRA and Measuring Methods listed in the post describing the recent updates to the INE web page. With all the claims and counter claims made for and against the MRA, I suspect many people would like to know, does it work or not, and how was the performance measured? Sadly, only a single page of the original article is available on the INE web site. What little of the paper is presented suggests that there have been errors made in the measurements of the MRA's operation. The nature of these errors remains unknown, as the article is truncated before it gives any specific information. I think it would be a great service if the INE could secure permission to make the whole article available via their web site. What little is presented tells us nothing as it stands. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 11:52:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA09212 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09178 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA14878 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:51:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:51:37 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.995 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: 'COLD FUSION' BREAKTHROUGH Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This file is taken from the Institute for New Energy Web Site at: www.padrak.com/ine/ If you are at all interested: See the new (2/25/96) Subject Index at: www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html 'COLD FUSION' BREAKTHROUGH Have 15,000 Energy Pros in Anaheim Seen the Light of a New Era? From: Atlantis Rising, Number 6, 1996, pp 37 and 56 By: Jeane Manning Copyright Atlantis Rising. Did a clean energy era just slip into our lives, unnoticed by mainstream news cameras? Its arrival may coincide with the recent success of an unpretentious "cold fusion" device, reported to put out a thousand times more energy than it takes to run it, at the world's largest trade show for electric power producers. (Cold fusion is the popular term for what the Japanese more accurately call New Hydrogen Energy Technology. See David Lewis' introduction to cold fusion in Atlantis Rising # 2. In 1989 Drs. Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons were first to claim to have produced nuclear reactions by putting palladium rods in water cells and getting excess energy out. They are now in a million-dollar laboratory in France, funded by Japanese money.) Clean Energy Technologies Inc. (CETI) of Texas is a small company that doesn't hesitate to walk among giants of the fossil fuel and nuclear industries. CETI booked a booth at the Power-Gen '95 Americas conference in Anaheim, California, and demonstrated their breakthrough nonpolluting energy device, invented by James Patterson, Ph.D. Earlier, at fusion conferences, they proved that the Patterson "cold fusion" cell, the size of your thumb, outperforms fusion reactors the size of factories by putting out eighty times more energy, in the form of heat, than the electricity that runs it. While the Tokomaks of the megabucks world-huge donut-shaped structures pervaded by high-intensity magnetic fields-attempt fusion of atoms and are rewarded with brief bursts of less power-out-than-in accompanied by dangerous radiation, CETI's and other room-temperature "cold fusion" experiments quietly and cleanly put out more power than it takes to run them and they keep this up for weeks at a time. [Large picture of two men holding a small device about the size of a tennis ball] "Dr. James Patterson and CETI's Jim Reding are ready to take on the energy establishment./ Photo from "Infinite Energy" [Magazine]." Meanwhile, as if in a parallel but outdated universe, a physics professor at the University of British Columbia sputters when I ask about cold fusion. "There is no such thing! That has been proven to be just bad science!" In the Anaheim conference, where more than 15,000 engineers and other visitors showed up from 75 countries, foot traffic was heavy at the CETI booth. The company's most impressive demonstrations, however, took place in their hotel room for select groups. Scientists who witnessed or knew firsthand witnesses of various tests of the device at the power-generating meeting gave me varying reports on CETI's demonstrations. The most conservative report was "sixteen to one" (more output than input), and other witnesses said "one thousand times more power out than went in." No matter which numbers we look Continued on Page 56 COLD FUSION, Continued from Page 37 at, the fact remains that a four-inch long (by one-inch in diameter) tube of metal-coated beads and ordinary water, put out a kilowatt (a thousand watts) of power in equivalent heat with only about one watt of electricity going in. Water flowed through it and out into coils of plastic tubing while an electric fan blew the room's air past the coils. "My colleague was there and could feel the hot air coming out,' says Eugene Mallove, Ph.D., editor of "Infinite Energy Magazine." Why didn't the company make a bigger splash by keeping the device running day and night on the floor of the convention center? Mallove says he believes CETI came to the conference to nail down a contract with a multi-billion-annual-sales corporation, so the hotel room was the site of high-level negotiations. "They went there to give further encouragement to this very large, Fortune 500 company or maybe even Fortune 100 company in the United States." Mallove said in December that the corporation either has already, or probably will shortly, make a deal with Clean Energy Technologies to license the technology for manufacturing and production of these reactors. Who is the mysterious giant? "It is not an energy company per se. It is a very high-tech, instantly recognizable corporation." Mallove is expected to reveal more in the next issue of "Infinite Energy", promising details on the testing of the CETI cell at the PowerGen 95 convention. Mallove reports that CETI representatives ran their tiny cell for five hours with only about 1.4 watts going in but 1,344 watts were coming out. It was able to heat a room; in fact, the CETI crew had to call the hotel desk and have room service increase the air conditioning for the room. "They reduced the output power at one point to about 470 watts, for safety reasons, but the input power at that point was .1 watt (one-tenth of a watt). So the ratio at that point was 4700 to one. We're talking about some gigantic ratios-for all practical purposes, no input power, and it will be shown ultimately, of course, that input power if needed at all can be generated easily thermoelectrically and just fed back. So the whole thing, for all practical purposes, is a self-sustaining unit to heat anything you want! This working prototype of a "cold fusion" heating unit shows more performance than glitz. "Frankly, the whole apparatus looks like a science fair project," Mallove told me. "Of course, most of the important inventions in history looked like that in their prototypes. And it wasn't designed to be a commercial heating unit; it was a demonstration unit." It may not look like much, but if someone made multiples of the unit and put it in your basement, Mallove says, they could heat the whole house for a fraction of the cost of an electric light bulb. "In theory, if I wanted to have something like that and CETI was willing to sell units to me, they could heat this house in New Hampshire even in the bitter cold." [Picture of the inside of a large donut-shaped metal hot fusion device.] "Princeton's Hot Fusion project. Dinosaur?" Is it reliable? "This is not the old days of cold fusion where you do some finicky experiment and hope and pray that it works," replies Mallove. "It works every time." The CETI process starts very rapidly. "First, you apply a heater to it, equivalent to an automobile electric starter. You have to get it to proper temperature first. Then you remove the heater ... and the thing just goes." But can it replace internal combustion engines? Mallove is optimistic. "Since there is no known upper limit to the pressure under which it can operate, there is every indication that fairly quickly, people will develop this for steam production. And I fully expect that in 1996 a vehicle will be powered by this process." Mallove is of course not predicting it will be in the stores next year, but we do know researchers who want to be first to put a new-energy device into a small vehicle and drive across the country. CETI is more interested in getting into production than getting into newspapers. The company is not returning phone calls from journalists; it is bombarded by would-be purchasers. Their marketing strategy is to sell distributors' licenses to a relatively small set of serious groups and businesses. Paralleling the dramatic improvements in "cold fusion" are advances in magnetic motor technologies. Mallove says he strongly suspects they are closely related. I've interviewed additional scientists who speculate that "cold fusion" processes, and magnets, tap into a free energy universally present in the space around us. For example, even though as a mainstream engineer/physicist he shuns the word overunity (meaning he is not publicly claiming more-power-output-than-input), Yasunori Takahashi from Japan is stirring up the new-energy scene with his magnetic motor. He claims to have the world's most powerful permanent magnets and is looking for business partners in the U.S. and England to produce the motor. New-energy researcher Christopher Tinsley rode a motor scooter powered by Takahashi's "Self-Generating Motor" throughout London for about a half hour and reports that the motor remained cool, which is highly unusual for a motor. Although it does need four 12-volt batteries to spin the motor up to speed for startup, a professor from London University said the motor seems to go 500 miles without fuel. New Energy News, monthly publication of the Institute for New Energy based in Salt Lake City, reports that Takahashi also invented an extremely powerful small capacitor (energy storage unit) and a Battery Doubler which promises to extend the running time of laptop computers, cellular phones and camcorders. These are among many promising new-energy technologies emerging around the world. Mallove sees the irony in the recent scene at Anaheim Convention Center. There were a thousand exhibitor booths, all sorts of megaproject technologies from oil, coal, gas and nuclear fission - "all this stuff that's going to die completely, with this one (CETI) booth being the most important booth at the entire meeting. But you know the story. The dinosaurs did not realize their demise." Jeane Manning is co-author of several books including "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" (distributed by Book People). Her first solo book, "The Coming Energy Revolution" will be out in spring, 1996, from Avery Publishing Group. For anyone who wants to learn about the emerging scene, the International Association for New Science is planning a conference on new energy technologies for April 25-28, 1996 in Denver. The IANS office is in Fort Collins, Colorado, phone (970) 482-3731. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 12:38:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA18640 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18606 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id MAA12719; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:36:31 -0800 Received: from wolves.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA25246; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:36:15 -0800 Received: by wolves.EBay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13764; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:36:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:36:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.996 From: Michael.Miller@ebay.sun.com (Michael D. Miller) Message-Id: <9602272036.AA13764@wolves.EBay.Sun.COM> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com, floresi1@westat.com Subject: Re: fnrg: what is this haarp? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 12:14 PST 1996 > Encoding: 7 Text > To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > Subject: fnrg: what is this haarp? > Sender: owner-freenrg-list@eskimo.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 158 > X-Lines: 8 > > > Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? I saw half of a report some > time ago. what is this about? > Thanks > > Ismael Flores > floresi1@westat.com Ismael, There is a book out on the subject. The authors put out this info because they are concerned about how this technology is going to be used. The book is: "Angels Don't Play This Haarp" written by Dr. Nick Begich/Jeanne Manning. It is item number #5945 (Soft Cover-233 pages) $14.95 in the Laura Lee catalog. 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I heard since that it is key that the magnets are positioned to place all of the south facing poles inward, and north outward. Interesting. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Tue Feb 27 14:11:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id OAA07014 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.cs.ohiou.edu (xx053@ra.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.101]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06976 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xx053@localhost) by ra.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.Beta.11/8.7.Beta.11) id RAA06891 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:10:49 -0500 (EST) X-UIDL: 834952770.998 From: "Science wig. sig." Message-Id: <199602272210.RAA06891@ra.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: fnrg: BBS To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com (freng) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:10:48 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I would like to start up my own BBS service, but to do that, I need another phone line, and that costs money! So I now am selling the right to put links on my page! That's right, you too can have a link for the world to see, right on my page! Ask me about prices -- Andrew Cantino Sig Master for The Great World of Science sig. gopher://seorf.ohiou.edu:2001/hGET/seorf.stuff/Sci/xx053/Homepage.html From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 01:13:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id BAA24169 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mnw.net (root@[206.31.99.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA24142 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:12:56 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.999 From: scooter@mnw.net Received: from scooter (id196.s1.mnw.net [206.31.99.196]) by mnw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA03846 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 04:16:07 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960228091304.006879c0@mnw.net> X-Sender: scooter@mnw.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 03:13:04 -0600 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: what is this haarp? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:04 AM 2/27/96 EDT, you wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? I saw half of a report some >time ago. what is this about? >Thanks > >Ismael Flores >floresi1@westat.com > You can use LYCOS or YAHOO and run a search on HAARP. You'll also see pictures of it! From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 04:07:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id EAA08750 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA08743 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.execpc.com (bpaddock@earth-le1.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20073 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:06:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bpaddock@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.4/8.7) id GAA08968; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:06:42 -0600 (CST) X-UIDL: 834952770.1000 From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: Resubscribing - VOTING Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 06:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9602202350.AA14170@DGS.dgsys.com> <312D8074.2003@nmaa.org> In-Reply-To: <312D8074.2003@nmaa.org> Lines: 44 Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article <312D8074.2003@nmaa.org>, you wrote: >Why not a newsgroup, not a list-server so our mail boxes are not being >hammered, I got 80 msgs today - a normal number, mostly TESLA and FREE >ENERGY. This is getting old and sometimes I don't have the time to sift >through all this neat stuff just to find my personal mail and sometimes >miss inportant email I prefer the mailing lists my self, but I do have a solution for your problem. What I do is use a Offline Reader, even tho I don't have to. I use the program YARN (Get version 89, 90 is not yet stable, and things before 89 had bugs). To use YARN you need to be able to make a SOUP packet, which is typically done with the program UQWK. I believe YARN will also except ZipNews and Rnews but I've never tried these. Any way, YARN has a excellent filtering capabilities that allows you to send each incoming message to a pseudo newsgroup, or folders for long term storage (like 8 megs of this list). It also has a neat feature called Scoring you can have it look for important words of interest so that you know what messages you want to read first by looking at the score of the message. For example I score the word "Neurophone" at a 100, the word the word "scaler" at 30, "Implant" at 10, "U.C.C." at 6, "UCC" at 5, and any thing else comes up zero, so I don't normally look at the message unless the subject is of interest, which saves a lot of reading time. With out YARN's filtering I would feel the same way that you do, with it I think Lists are far better than the News Groups, for the same reasons that Bill does. It takes effort to join a mailing list, so for the most part you only get the people that are interested. YARN does handle the NewsGroups just as well as the incoming mail too. Varies version of YARN can be found, along with the support utilities (YARN_UTIL which rebuilds damaged data bases, and YES a signature/header handler) on the SimTel mirror sites, in the /offline sub directories. Remember to try to find version 89 tho. If you can't you can down load it from my BBS (sorry its not on the Internet [yet], but it is on Fido 1:2601/553; all of the KeelyNet files are there as well) at (814) 678-1321. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 13:43:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id QAA27592 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA27467 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:00:57 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.1001 From: Jules54321@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA11769 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:58:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <960227185843_433160669@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: HAARP project. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There is some good reading about haarp in Nexus magazine, this issue or last. Of course The article looks at it from the big brother, paranoid, they're going to destroy the world point of view... The same view I hold. Rich H. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 14:48:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA05069 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA05058 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA14430 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:31:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:31:23 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.1002 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Re: HAARP project. + WEB SITE! Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? ------- http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html Go For It! ------- High Altitude Auroral Research Project. This involves the most powerful transmitter and antenna array ever constructed. It is claimed to be a research project for the study of the ionosphere. Many suggest that the funding level and scope of the installations is far beyond the claimed application. Quite similar claims are also made of the GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) system, and it is suggested that these programs might be connected in some way. I have not seen any published report on the linking of modulations transmitted by these systems as yet however. From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 15:15:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA26232 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (ghawk.ndip.eskimo.net [204.122.26.165]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA26120 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:15:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:15:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602272115.NAA26120@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: ghawk@mail.eskimo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.1003 From: Gary Hawkins Subject: Re: fnrg: what is this haarp? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:04 AM 2/27/96 EDT, you wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with the HAARP project? I saw half of a report some >time ago. what is this about? >Thanks > >Ismael Flores >floresi1@westat.com > > > Art Bell show was trying to get the director of the project on for an interview. He was ambivalent and then declined. But he and Laura Lee have interviewed Nick Begich, the author of "Angels Don't Play This Haarp", coauthored by Jean Manning. Laura Lee -- www.lauralee.com Art Bell -- www.artbell.com Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Horizon Technology Tomorrow's Technology Today http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/ Seattle, WA From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 16:16:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id MAA17021 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA16971 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA16993 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:14:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:14:12 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.1004 From: PGB@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: fnrg: Re: The MRA and It's Results Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There have been several articles written about the MRA. Some have been published in New Energy News, and most have not. The problem is that: The Proponents say that its works, and here are the results. The opponents say that it doesn't work, and here are the results. So, I am still unsure of what is going on. I CAN tell you this: If anyone has a device that claims to get over 4X overunity - Great! - then they can take the output eenrgy, put it into a 1/3 efficient energy conversion device (like a heat exchanger) and put the energy back into the input. CLOSE THE CYCLE!!! Then - if it runs all week - I will believe you. And: Anybody can get a Radio Shack V-I Meter and measure an AVERAGE voltage, and then measure an AVERAGE current, and multiply them together and get THE WRONG ANSWER!!! What you need to do is to get the power as a function of time - including the damn phase angle - and then get an average of that. Some HP oscilloscopes will do that for you. If You don't do that, it's all hot air. [which is also an example of another free energy device...] [ever thought how much oil is used in the construction of a solar cell?...] From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Wed Feb 28 16:40:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA04969 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA04930 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.1005 From: Cyberinga@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA29458 for freenrg-list@eskimo.com; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:46:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:46:41 -0500 Message-ID: <960227114640_232444842@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fnrg: what is this haarp? Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: HAARP: High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project...judged to be in the top ten under-reported news stories of 1994. Try the Navy's *own* web site: http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/haarpIndex.html There's also a book: _Angel's Don't Play this HAARP_ by Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning. Strength in Wisdom binga From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Thu Feb 29 15:05:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id PAA05145 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (root@borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA05113 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mob.mindspring.com [168.121.53.182] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id SAA17426 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:05:09 -0500 X-Sender: mob@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:08:39 -0500 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com X-UIDL: 834952770.1007 From: mob@mindspring.com (Michael O'Bannon) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: ...across ones brain: Biostimulator Specs Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >voltage output characteristics should range between 1 millivolt and 48 volts. > >generally, the voltage range from 24 to 48 will not be used by most >experimenters, but it is good to have the capability to take all experiments >into the extreme high side to establish what happens there. At these >levels, the voltage can be felt, starting somewhere around 25 volts, >depending upon the body. > >current output should be in current limiting modality, from 1 milliamp >generally up to preferably 100 milliamps, the closer to one amp the better, >but there are a lot of trade-offs here I suppose, so it may be well to think >in terms of the core unit up to as close to 100 milliamps as possible, then >a second stage, which need not be there, which can drive up to one amp. > >generally, no more than 10 milliamps would be directly used, but there is a >reason for the ability to easily integrate much higher power, as in driving >feedback speakers, with an optional second stage. Michael, I was under the impression that you were going to describe a realistic intracranial stimulator. You have specified voltage and current levels far excess of those necessary to cause DEATH in human beings. Your message is in a thread that is labeled "Appying voltage across ones' brain." I hope no one takes these spec's seriously. Regards, Michael R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Clinical and Corporate Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 404-237-3883 From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 09:15:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id JAA29050 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com (ix9.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.9]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28936 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA25330; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:45:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:45:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199602281745.JAA25330@ix9.ix.netcom.com> X-UIDL: 834952770.1009 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall ) Subject: Re: fnrg: Re: INE Web page updated. To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: R. Shannon wrote: > > I was interested in reading the article on the MRA and Measuring > Methods listed in the post describing the recent updates to the > INE . . . Check out the last issue of New Energy News. The impression I receive is that the testing company only carried out the testing as directed by McClain and Wooten. They reported only the results. No where did I detect company endorsement of the MRA or or how it supposedly works. In fact, if read carefully, it's my opinion that the testing company held the testing at arms length and only carried out the particular testing as designed by the inventors of the MRA. No company conclusions were drawn as they were instructed how the tests were to be preformed. Since it is copyrighted, maybe INE/NEN will post this short article for all to draw their own conclusions. RWW From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 09:15:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id RAA18831 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxx.mc.net (root@maxx.mc.net [206.138.8.7]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA18659 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from d3000.mc.net (d3000.mc.net [206.138.13.100]) by maxx.mc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13160 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:26:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199602290126.TAA13160@maxx.mc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is X-UIDL: 834952770.1010 From: "Robert Sciog" To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:39:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fnrg: what is this haarp? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > You can use LYCOS or YAHOO and run a search on HAARP. You'll also see > pictures of it! > URL for HAARP information http://www.primenet.com/~rfwatts/haarp/haarp.html +----------------+ Robert Sciog clink@mcs.net +----------------+ From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sat Mar 2 09:31:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA22437 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from milkyway.nectech.com (root@milkyway.nectech.com [128.191.16.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22380 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-UIDL: 834952770.1011 From: rshannon@nectech.com Received: from ccgate2.nectech.com (ccgate2.nectech.com [128.191.49.151]) by milkyway.nectech.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05057 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate2.nectech.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA825632262; Thu, 29 Feb 96 14:14:25 EST Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 14:14:25 EST Message-Id: <9601298256.AA825632262@ccgate2.nectech.com> To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: Re: the MRA and it's results, and history. Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >There have been several articles written about the MRA. Some have >been published in New Energy News, and most have not. >The problem is that: >The Proponents say that its works, and here are the results. >The opponents say that it doesn't work, and here are the results. >So, I am still unsure of what is going on. >I CAN tell you this: >If anyone has a device that claims to get over 4X overunity - Great! >- then they can take the output eenrgy, put it into a 1/3 efficient >energy conversion device (like a heat exchanger) and put the energy >back into the input. CLOSE THE CYCLE!!! >Then - if it runs all week - I will believe you. An excellent point! No one to my knowledge has yet claimed to have successfully achieved closed cycle operation with the MRA. We should however keep in mind that it might be the case that closing the cycle in some way alters the operation of the device. Closed cycle operation is an excellent, near unimpeachable phenomena that most strongly supports over unity operation, but should not yet be considered the minimum level of performance for a claimed over unity device. >And: >Anybody can get a Radio Shack V-I Meter and measure an AVERAGE >voltage, and then measure an AVERAGE current, and multiply them >together and get THE WRONG ANSWER!!! >What you need to do is to get the power as a function of time - >including the damn phase angle - and then get an average of that. >Some HP oscilloscopes will do that for you. >If You don't do that, it's all hot air. This is much more to the point at hand with the MRA. Few are aware that an earlier device was first presented, and then withdrawn from Keelynet after it was pointed out to the inventor (Joel McClain) that be the measurements given in the file, the device was far from unity, much less over unity. The duty cycle had not even been accounted for in the input to output ratio calculations, much less power factors and the like. This same basic circuit configuration shortly thereafter became what we now know as the MRA. This is significant, as people had taken the time to explain just how such measurements and calculations needed to be made, and why the original device failed to show over unity operation. Joel at that time, accepted the error, and then asked Jerry Decker to withdraw the original design file from Keelynet. Why then a nearly identical design was promoted as achieving over unity operation is a mystery. Many of the claims of over unity operation are clearly due to the same types of measurement errors found in the original design. Is anyone aware of a detailed discussion of the MRA's performance where proper measurements (power factor, duty cycle, etc) have been made, and that also support the claims of several hundred percent efficiencies? I'm willing to settle for less than closed loop operation, but only if very specific measurements have been made and properly documented and reproduced. Based on what I have seen, and on communications with Mr. McClain at the time of the initial design release and subsequent withdrawal, I am rather skeptical to say the least. But I am willing to be proven to be wrong. (Mr. McClain should have made his reasons for withdrawing the original design clear to Jerry Decker at that time. The original design had only been downloaded a very few times before being "pulled", but copies do still exist. A great many misunderstandings could have been avoided had this been the case.) From freenrg-list-owner@eskimo.com Sun Mar 3 10:58:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA25595 for freenrg-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from holland.it.earthlink.net (holland-c.it.earthlink.net [206.85.92.121]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25438 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from LOCALNAME (max2-800-40.earthlink.net [206.149.205.91]) by holland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA19814 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:57:07 -0800 Message-ID: <313613F6.283E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:00:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 834952770.1012 From: Marty Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6b (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-list@eskimo.com Subject: fnrg: microwave experiments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: freenrg-list@mail.eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I read about the ionosphere being stimulated with microwaves. Does any body know if they were using regular magnetron, like the one's used in microwave ovens, or if there is a better way to make microwaves. Also how many watts were they using. Any help would be appreciated.