From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 1 09:10:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA18422; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:08:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin" To: Subject: Re: random ramblings Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:55:26 +0200 Message-ID: <01be4db8$3aad26e0$LocalHost@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LMpse.0.fV4.N-Tjs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8824 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Have a look on the IBM patent server I once saw some weird patent there claiming to be able to do this , sorry I can't remember the number , but a search should turn something up. Cheers Martin > I kinda threw out the whole idea of using gravity to bend light >the possibility of bending space-time around you just isn't that >appealing to me ). And magnetism would just be as dangerous as >gravity, and I have no idea whether or not magnets can bend light. A >more conventional approach was brought up on the Discovery channel (?) >by using light sensors and LCD panels. While that might work, it is a >long way off and IMO doomed to failure. > > If anyone has any ideas on how to ( fairly safely, or within reason >) bend light, by all means post. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 1 13:24:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA07973; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:23:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:23:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199902012123.PAA00590@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: random ramblings Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:22:27 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DOD631.0.Gy1.QjXjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8825 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Martin, Don't really know what your definition of bending light is, but an alternative would be a cocoon of tel co fiber optic strands...? Joe Portman..... ============== ---------- > From: Martin > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: random ramblings > Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 1:55 AM > > Hi > > Have a look on the IBM patent server I once saw some weird patent there > claiming to be able to do this , sorry I can't remember the number , but a > search should turn something up. > > Cheers > > Martin > > I kinda threw out the whole idea of using gravity to bend light > > >the possibility of bending space-time around you just isn't that > >appealing to me ). And magnetism would just be as dangerous as > >gravity, and I have no idea whether or not magnets can bend light. A > >more conventional approach was brought up on the Discovery channel (?) > >by using light sensors and LCD panels. While that might work, it is a > >long way off and IMO doomed to failure. > > > > If anyone has any ideas on how to ( fairly safely, or within reason > >) bend light, by all means post. > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 1 13:32:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12740; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:31:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:31:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199902012121.IAA10877@turbo.turboweb.net.au> From: "Scott Waring" To: Subject: Re: random ramblings Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:39:53 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uxM8.0.z63.lqXjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8826 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Or a Prism ! ---------- | From: Joe Portman Sr. | To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com | Subject: Re: random ramblings | Date: Tuesday, 02 February, 1999 8:22 | | Martin, | Don't really know what your definition of bending light is, but an | alternative would be a cocoon of tel co fiber optic strands...? | Joe Portman..... | ============== | | ---------- | > From: Martin | > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com | > Subject: Re: random ramblings | > Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 1:55 AM | > | > Hi | > | > Have a look on the IBM patent server I once saw some weird patent there | > claiming to be able to do this , sorry I can't remember the number , but | a | > search should turn something up. | > | > Cheers | > | > Martin | > > I kinda threw out the whole idea of using gravity to bend light | > | > >the possibility of bending space-time around you just isn't that | > >appealing to me ). And magnetism would just be as dangerous as | > >gravity, and I have no idea whether or not magnets can bend light. A | > >more conventional approach was brought up on the Discovery channel (?) | > >by using light sensors and LCD panels. While that might work, it is a | > >long way off and IMO doomed to failure. | > > | > > If anyone has any ideas on how to ( fairly safely, or within reason | > >) bend light, by all means post. | > > | > | > | > | From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 1 17:45:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA10677; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:45:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:45:16 -0800 From: RHammar860@aol.com Message-ID: <5e8e2c94.36b65661@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:35:29 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Back on list / Monopole / T.E. Bearden / Over-Unity Experiment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"ilHYj.0.kc2.iYbjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8827 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 1/31/99 1:19:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, herman@antioch- college.edu writes: << > What is the E-mail address for T.E. Bearden, Snail Mail, Home Or work > Phone ECT..... > > > or contact method > > Can Any one help.???? > > Please If you willl >> Go to the Art Bell page at ARTBELL.COM and look up the guest list Ron H From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 1 18:26:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA26178; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:25:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:25:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990201202651.007ac6f0@mail.zebra.net> X-Sender: cerritas@mail.zebra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:26:51 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: cerritas@zebra.net (Paul Rasp) Subject: Re: Back on list / Monopole / T.E. Bearden / Over-Unity Experiment In-Reply-To: <5e8e2c94.36b65661@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kKsq23.0.mO6.d8cjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8828 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:35 PM 2/1/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/31/99 1:19:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, herman@antioch- >college.edu writes: > ><< > > What is the E-mail address for T.E. Bearden, Snail Mail, Home Or work > > Phone ECT..... Tom Bearden Association of Distinguished American Scientists PO Box 1472, Huntsville, AL 35807. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 1 21:15:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA20100; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:15:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:15:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990201210555.2e9f3ff2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:05:55 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: induction and coiled homopolar generators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qQXdt.0.zv4.Tdejs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8829 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I have been thinking more about electric induction and the 2 forms it is usually given: d(flux)/dt and velocity x B. With the exception of a homopolar disk generator, have been trying to come up with an experiment that shows a difference. I have read that the velocity x B case is a special case of the d(flux)/dt. Another interpretation, using the Lorentz force law, F=qE +I cross B, define an apparent E' = F/q = E+I/q cross B. If I move a wire across the face of a magnet, I get a voltage that is neg, then positive, then negative. The positive voltage seems to correspond to the flux coming directly from the magnet face, the negative is just off the face where the flux now has changed direction and is "heading" to the other pole. If I use a "C" shaped electromagnet where the flux in air is only in one direction, I get an unipolar pulse. Both these seem to follow the velocity x B expression, although I haven't described how the "loop" formed by the voltmeter leads is placed, or the d(flux)/dt. I next did an experiment similar to one on Jean-Louis' page on the Hooper-Monstein effect: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/hoopmnst.htm I wound a flat coil placed so it could slide horizontally over a PM pole face. (field coming out of the screen) ----- A| | | | --->velocity --x-- x=2 leads to voltmeter and scope. Case 1) Magnet started inside loop, so side "A" slides over magnet Case 2) Coil flipped over so side "A" is on the right side and moved so magnet is now started outside the loop, and side "A" still slides over the magnet. I get the same polarity induced voltage in both cases. In one case the flux is increasing, the other, it is decreasing. Turning the coil changes the sense (measuring the voltage across the same 2 points, but now a ccw vs, cw loop). Of course, the velocity x B for side A doesn't "care" about the sense of the turns, just the measurement locations. I then tried a case 3 where the coil was now vertical with side "A" against the magnet face. The velocity x B should be unaltered for side "A", but the flux would be different. I got the same polarity voltage. (This is closest to the H-M effect, which can be explained by flux linkages) Homopolar Experiments Instead of a disk as in a conventional homopolar generator, I decided to use a cylinder and a radial field. The advantages are. 1) All the disk has the same outer velocity. 2) No current crowdind at the center. 3) I can imagine the cylinder cut up into segments which can(?) be placed in series for higher DC voltages, and also the measurement leads single loop could be ignored. See Bill B's: http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html including "ext circuit is the stator" and "cylinder machine" How could I run the "return" leads to connect the outer segments in series without having an equal counter voltage induced in them? The above velocity x B experiments made me think I could. Wind a toroid coil and spin it on its axis with a radial B field. Make the inner radius close to zero so these segments have a low velocity. Well, not exactly zero, as a magnet pole has to be placed there. Also the B field cannot be over all 360 degrees, which would make it stronger proportional to 1/r and the induced voltage in the inner segments would match the outer ones. (Velocity ~r, B~ 1/r). I used a magnetic field from a magnet with approx equal pole face areas at the inner and outer radii. I also did not fill up the toroid with windings so the linear turns/length could be the same for the outer and inner radii. The toroid coil was connected to slip rings and spun. The DC output voltage measured was... zero, as far as I can tell... Back to the drawing board. (If I can get more than about 1.7 volts, I can use an LED as an indicator, which could rotate with the rotor, and thus using no fixed external circuit?) -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 04:56:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA18704; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:56:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:56:26 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:57:33 -0500 Subject: any info on Carl Cella's hydrogen powered car? Message-ID: <19990202.075734.223.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,8-11 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David L Tingley Resent-Message-ID: <"H_6A-2.0.9a4.vNljs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8830 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I came across these plans for a hydrogen powered car designed by Carl Cella at this site: http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html Does anyone have any more info about this design? Has anyone verified/debunked it? It doesn't look like anything other than a standard 12 volt battery powering a stainless steel electrolysis chamber which one wouldn't think capable of producing enough enough hydrogen to run an engine and an alternator that powered the battery. Yet he claims to be driving it around. Does anyone know what happened to the inventor? Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 11:03:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10747; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:03:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:03:31 -0800 Message-ID: <007d01be4ede$c024dc60$273e19d0@thomas> From: "Thomas" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: current, no power Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:03:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tLMq93.0.qd2.3mqjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8831 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: is it theoretically possible for current to exist without, or with very little relative, power? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 13:14:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27039; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:14:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:14:10 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: <42729b52.36b76910@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:07:28 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: current, no power Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"b5-zg1.0.Hc6.Wgsjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8832 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Power (Watts) is derived as W = E X I . E = volts (pressure) and I = amperes (current). If you make the I as zero, then W = 0. The lower the current (keeping E {volts} the same) the lower the power is. Just to recap. You can't have power without current. Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 13:21:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA29687; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:21:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:21:35 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:20:47 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: current, no power Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"M3V3c1.0.hF7.Unsjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8833 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 2/2/99 11:08:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, lightspring@jps.net writes: << is it theoretically possible for current to exist without, or with very little relative, power? >> Yes. The only requirement for power is to overcome resistance losses. In a superconducting circuit where resistance losses are zero current can and does continue indefinitely without any power supplied. (Some power is required to get a current started, in general -- for the magnetic field energy) Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 13:53:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA07720; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:53:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:53:18 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <000c01be4d53$453247e0$2c8319d4@xxx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?=" To: Subject: RE: current, no power Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:52:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WGIB91.0.Ru1.EFtjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8834 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all You can have current without power; but you must work in AC current. If voltage and current are out of phase (180 degrees), you can have current without power (theorically). Vicente. -----Mensaje original----- De: Thomas Para: freenrg-l Fecha: martes, 02 de febrero de 1999 20:04 Asunto: current, no power >is it theoretically possible for current to exist without, or with very >little relative, power? > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 13:58:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA10068; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:58:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:58:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199902022158.PAA21104@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: current, no power Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:57:10 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kh9eE2.0.3T2.pJtjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8835 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I think the Russians were first to show some sort of perpetual motion in a super conductor.....they also found that in measuring it, they lost current....... Joe Portman ---------- > From: Keasy@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: current, no power > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 3:20 PM > > In a message dated 2/2/99 11:08:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lightspring@jps.net writes: > > << is it theoretically possible for current to exist without, or with very > little relative, power? >> > Yes. The only requirement for power is to overcome resistance losses. In a > superconducting circuit where resistance losses are zero current can and does > continue indefinitely without any power supplied. (Some power is required to > get a current started, in general -- for the magnetic field energy) > Ken > Keasy@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 18:48:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA26841; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:48:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:48:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990202182556.22ff079e@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:25:56 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: current, no power In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Wq-5g.0.GZ6.WZxjs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8836 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 04:20 PM 2/2/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/2/99 11:08:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, >lightspring@jps.net writes: > ><< is it theoretically possible for current to exist without, or with very > little relative, power? >> >Yes. The only requirement for power is to overcome resistance losses. In a >superconducting circuit where resistance losses are zero current can and does >continue indefinitely without any power supplied. (Some power is required to >get a current started, in general -- for the magnetic field energy) Yes, also permanent magnets may be considered a case of orbital electronic currents without power. Actually all atoms, but the magnetic ones show the effect. AC circuits have power : instantenous voltage*current. If they are out of phase by 90 degrees, the time averaged power = 0. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 20:09:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA05573; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:09:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:09:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003801be4f28$dd9b9640$74e288d0@paul> From: "Paul Delisle" To: Subject: Re: any info on Carl Cella's hydrogen powered car? Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:54:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"z1kAm.0.-M1.zlyjs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8837 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: David, This little schematic looks very convincing until you start to look into it more carefully. I don't see how this contraption could generate enough gas to power a car. It's a very inefficient process for breaking water as far as I can see. Cella is in prison or at least was in prison for a while from what I read on the Internet. I don't know why. I would need to see this work to believe in it. Paul -----Original Message----- From: David L Tingley To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 6:57 AM Subject: any info on Carl Cella's hydrogen powered car? >I came across these plans for a hydrogen powered car designed by Carl >Cella at this site: >http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html Does anyone have any >more info about this design? Has anyone verified/debunked it? It doesn't >look like anything other than a standard 12 volt battery powering a >stainless steel electrolysis chamber which one wouldn't think capable of >producing enough enough hydrogen to run an engine and an alternator that >powered the battery. Yet he claims to be driving it around. Does anyone >know what happened to the inventor? > >Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 20:21:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA07439; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:20:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: current, no power Message-Id: <918015574.21087.347@excite.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:19:34 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.229 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4I9MD1.0.6q1.Ewyjs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8838 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:25:56, Dave Dameron wrote: > At 04:20 PM 2/2/99 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 2/2/99 11:08:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >lightspring@jps.net writes: > > > ><< is it theoretically possible for current to exist without, or with very > > little relative, power? >> > >Yes. The only requirement for power is to overcome resistance losses. In a > >superconducting circuit where resistance losses are zero current can and does > >continue indefinitely without any power supplied. (Some power is required to > >get a current started, in general -- for the magnetic field energy) > > Yes, also permanent magnets may be considered a case of orbital electronic > currents without power. Actually all atoms, but the magnetic ones show the > effect. > > AC circuits have power : instantenous voltage*current. If they are out of > phase by 90 degrees, the time averaged power = 0. > -Dave >> Very astute Dave; you have made good assesments before, but have you considered being wrong here? There is still the heating on the wire and transmission lines. The books may say that it is essentially watt-less energy but is this true? A small percentage of power, or energy transfer, still manifests as I^2(r) losses. Perhaps you should explain this to me again. Thanx HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 20:35:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA00718; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:35:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:35:06 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: keelynet@dallastexas.net Subject: Rotary Arc Gap Message-Id: <918016481.29532.772@excite.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:34:41 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.229 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"viho-.0.uA.t7zjs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8839 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am looking to buy a nice tungsten rotary arc gap system as used for tesla coil primaries. These are normally expensive items. I know Bill Wysock might sell them and there is another outfit from new england which I have forgot the name. In the past I found a lot of procastination in outfits proposing to sell this item; but for now it is an immediate priority. Can anyone from the lists suggest a best buy here? Sincerely HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 2 21:37:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA19752; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:37:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:37:39 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:35:02 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y0L9B1.0.Wq4.Z2-js"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 2/1/99 9:16:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: << Homopolar Experiments Instead of a disk as in a conventional homopolar generator, I decided to use a cylinder and a radial field. The advantages are. 1) All the disk has the same outer velocity. 2) No current crowdind at the center. 3) I can imagine the cylinder cut up into segments which can(?) be placed in series for higher DC voltages, and also the measurement leads single loop could be ignored. See Bill B's: http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html including "ext circuit is the stator" and "cylinder machine" How could I run the "return" leads to connect the outer segments in series without having an equal counter voltage induced in them? The above velocity x B experiments made me think I could. Wind a toroid coil and spin it on its axis with a radial B field. Make the inner radius close to zero so these segments have a low velocity. Well, not exactly zero, as a magnet pole has to be placed there. Also the B field cannot be over all 360 degrees, which would make it stronger proportional to 1/r and the induced voltage in the inner segments would match the outer ones. (Velocity ~r, B~ 1/r).>> If I understand the experiment (and it's not clear that I do) it may be that regardless of the specific magnet and wire geometry the effect of the high B and low velocity at small radius will always exactly offset the low B and high velocity at large radius. On a test that I did that seems to me directly related, that was the conclusion that I came to, at least. Ken Keasy@aol.com I used a magnetic field from a magnet with approx equal pole face areas at the inner and outer radii. I also did not fill up the toroid with windings so the linear turns/length could be the same for the outer and inner radii. The toroid coil was connected to slip rings and spun. The DC output voltage measured was... zero, as far as I can tell... Back to the drawing board. (If I can get more than about 1.7 volts, I can use an LED as an indicator, which could rotate with the rotor, and thus using no fixed external circuit?) -Dave >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 06:22:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA05794; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:22:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:22:38 -0800 Message-ID: <181701be4f80$f1b483a0$528280d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: Searl Effect Generator Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ON_JW2.0.GQ1.ik5ks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8841 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >http://www.tako.demon.co.uk/seg.html > >The Searl Effect Generator (S.E.G.) is a magnetic prime mover that operates >without friction. The S.E.G. >generates electricity that is capable of supplying power to the home or >industry. When used in an >Inverse-G Vehicle (I.G.V.), the S.E.G. generates a gravitational field around >the craft which can be >directed for flight. > >Prof. John Searl is the ONLY man in history to have built and flown an I.G.V., Well if it can't be reproduced what is its value then? >an inverse gravity device. >These were recorded by the BBC and the media. The BBC ran a weekly piece on >this work and its >progress for almost a year. The TV broadcasts showed the I.G.V. in flight. > >The power source is used for flight or to generate electricity with no >apparent input. EXISTING LAWS >OF PHYSICS are used in a new application. The technology is based on a >coherent number system called >the LAW OF THE SQUARES. Wonderful - but until we can reproduce this - or at least until YOU can reproduce this why am I supposed to get excited with this? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 06:28:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA13316; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <181901be4f81$875199c0$528280d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: black holes Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:28:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"R67kd3.0.pF3.Fp5ks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8842 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How focused is this radiation eminating from the black holes? Is it spread out or very narrow - relatively speaking of course (grin) >Superconduction is described as being pure current with no voltage and >therefore no power, but is immense, almost, or fully, infinite, energy. So >perhaps the blackholes are immense energy with almost no power or time. >Doesn't power imply the presence of resistance? I recently read a metaphor >for current and voltage being like the volume (diameter) of a water pipe and >the pressure of the water, respectively. But pressure is not present >without a resistance to the water (more or less). But is current still >present without resistance? Even more so, it seems. > >Also, there is a subtle radiation detected from black holes, which might be >an indicator of a transmutation of matter, even light, into a "purer" >energy, (possibly current?) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 11:59:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA24973; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:58:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:58:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:57:24 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: list physics teaching Subject: Lasers and titanium dioxide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yXXwe.0.666.jfAks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Awhile back, somebody was asking about the above. I don't recall what the answer was (if any), but here's a website about it: Laser action in very white paint http://www.wins.uva.nl/research/scm/adlag/articles/dgain.htm Seriously cool stuff, if you ask me! :) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 12:43:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA22835; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:43:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:43:26 -0800 Message-ID: From: Stranahan Aaron To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Lasers and titanium dioxide Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:42:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"_d-ps1.0.Ya5.jJBks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8844 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have a quick question! Can I use regular plastic insulated wire for my tesla secondary? I can't find enamled magnet wire anywhere? What's the reason for using enamled magnet wire in the first place? Thanks in advance, and appologies for a "dumb" question! Aaron Stranahan, Attorney at Law* *not certified by the state of tennessee as a trial specialist by the board of continuing education. Prolonged use of Aaron Stranahan, Attorney at Law, may result in severe cramps, vomiting, heart attack, bee attack, dog bite, hot air ballon crash, or chronic death syndrome. Do not taunt Aaron Stranahan, Attorney at Law. Aaron Stranahan, Attorney at Law, may not be held liable for any damages or loss of proffits due to improper use of Aaron Stranahan, Attorney at Law. Please, keep Aaron Stranahan, Attorney at Law, out of reach from small children. If ingested, induce vomiting and call a physician immediately. -----Original Message----- From: William Beaty [mailto:billb@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:57 PM To: list physics teaching Subject: Lasers and titanium dioxide Awhile back, somebody was asking about the above. I don't recall what the answer was (if any), but here's a website about it: Laser action in very white paint http://www.wins.uva.nl/research/scm/adlag/articles/dgain.htm Seriously cool stuff, if you ask me! :) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 14:09:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA11872; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:08:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:08:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902032207.QAA18413@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: black holes Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:06:39 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"btSnT.0.Nv2.HZCks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If I were being torn apart approaching a black hole, I might emit a little radiation too ! Is the subject radiation coming from within or just near the hole ? Joe Portman ========================== ---------- > From: Bill Wallace` > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; lightspring@jps.net > Subject: Re: black holes > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:28 AM > > How focused is this radiation eminating from the black holes? Is it spread > out or very narrow - relatively speaking of course (grin) > > >Superconduction is described as being pure current with no voltage and > >therefore no power, but is immense, almost, or fully, infinite, energy. So > >perhaps the blackholes are immense energy with almost no power or time. > >Doesn't power imply the presence of resistance? I recently read a metaphor > >for current and voltage being like the volume (diameter) of a water pipe > and > >the pressure of the water, respectively. But pressure is not present > >without a resistance to the water (more or less). But is current still > >present without resistance? Even more so, it seems. > > > >Also, there is a subtle radiation detected from black holes, which might be > >an indicator of a transmutation of matter, even light, into a "purer" > >energy, (possibly current?) > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 17:23:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA31196; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:22:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:22:31 -0800 Message-ID: <00bc01be4fdc$b2e4efa0$c7f219d0@sandys> From: sandys@tcia.net (Sandy Strauss) To: Subject: more black hole stuff Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:21:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01BE4FB2.BF7BFEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"3Q7Op1.0.Ld7.NPFks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01BE4FB2.BF7BFEE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00B7_01BE4FB2.BF7BFEE0" ------=_NextPart_001_00B7_01BE4FB2.BF7BFEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, I realize that an object of 6ft would be torn apart by the gravity = of a black hole as the speed of it becomes C. What if it did reach C = (light speed) would it become part of the black hole and truely become = part of it? Can something smaller be torn apart? Such as a solid = object, like a small ball bearing... could it even be torn apart? =20 Another thought i had, was if it was possible to neutralize the = gravitational pull? If you built a sphere large enough to accompany a = black hole and started to spin it to create gravity would it = counter-react the gravity of the black hole or would the sphere just = collapse on itself? None the less, i sure wouldn't want to be on the = inside of that sphere, which i also calculated the size of such a = sphere. =20 And another thing, does anyone have a more accurate number for the speed = of light, (299792458 m/s) such as too a certain decimal point? And any = suggestion on certain colleges that are excellent for astrophysics, = physics, and astronomy? 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Dear friends,
    I realize that an object of 6ft would be torn = apart by=20 the gravity of a black hole as the speed of it becomes C.  What if = it did=20 reach C (light speed) would it become part of the black hole and truely = become=20 part of it? Can something smaller be torn apart?  Such as a = solid=20 object, like a small ball bearing... could it even be torn apart?  =
 
    Another thought i had, was if it was possible to = neutralize the gravitational pull?  If you built a sphere large = enough to=20 accompany a black hole and started to spin it to create gravity would it = counter-react the gravity of the black hole or would the sphere just = collapse on=20 itself?  None the less, i sure wouldn't want to be on the inside of = that=20 sphere, which i also calculated the size of such a sphere. 
 
And another thing, does anyone have a more accurate number for the = speed of=20 light, (299792458 m/s) such as too a certain decimal point?  And = any=20 suggestion on certain colleges that are excellent for astrophysics, = physics, and=20 astronomy?
 
Regards,
Jonathan Strauss
 
 
Thank you.
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I think it was spread out, not from a single point. I think I read about in a Michio Kaku book, and maybe a Science or Scientific American article too. >If I were being torn apart approaching a black hole, I might emit a little >radiation too ! Is the subject radiation coming from within or just near >the hole ? Joe Portman >========================== > >---------- >> From: Bill Wallace` >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; lightspring@jps.net >> Subject: Re: black holes >> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:28 AM >> >> How focused is this radiation eminating from the black holes? Is it >spread >> out or very narrow - relatively speaking of course (grin) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 19:34:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03688; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:32:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:32:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990203190707.211f4386@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:07:07 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HBEM.0.Uv.QJHks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken, At 12:35 AM 2/3/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/1/99 9:16:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Homopolar Experiments > > Wind a toroid coil and spin it on its axis with a radial B field. Make the > inner radius close to zero so these segments have a low velocity. Well, not > exactly zero, as a magnet pole has to be placed there. Also the B field > cannot be over all 360 degrees, which would make it stronger proportional > to 1/r and the induced voltage in the inner segments would match the outer > ones. (Velocity ~r, B~ 1/r).>> > >If I understand the experiment (and it's not clear that I do) it may be that >regardless of the specific magnet and wire geometry the effect of the high B >and low velocity at small radius will always exactly offset the low B and high >velocity at large radius. On a test that I did that seems to me directly >related, that was the conclusion that I came to, at least. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > I tried explicitly to have the 2 magnet poles approx. the same area, so the B field at the inner radius would be approx. the same as the outer radius. Of course this means the outer radius pole covered less of an angular arc. I tried other things too, such as the turns grouped in bunches, such as 6 on a "disk" with a hexagonal outer and inner shape. I seemed to get promising results with a rectangular coil mounted in a mousetrap type of setup so that one edge would snap through various magnets' fields to test how the B field was interacting. The opposite edge was at the pivot point. So the question was whether it could be made into a continuous arrangement? It's hard to argue though with the zero voltage results! For a bipolar or higher pole machine (alternator or alternator+commutator="DC") there is no problem is getting an output voltage greater than from a single turn. Haven't seen a proof that one cannot do this with a homopolar machine... I wonder how many 19'th century dynamo attempts failed and we don't know of them? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 19:34:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03665; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:32:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:32:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990203184342.211f6e94@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:43:42 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: current, no power In-Reply-To: <918015574.21087.347@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_BmiY2.0.5v.NJHks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey and all, At 08:19 PM 2/2/99 PST, you wrote: >> AC circuits have power : instantenous voltage*current. If they are out of >> phase by 90 degrees, the time averaged power = 0. >> -Dave >>> Very astute Dave; you have made good assesments before, but have you >considered being wrong here? >There is still the heating on the wire and transmission lines. The books may >say that it is essentially watt-less energy but is this true? A small >percentage of power, or energy transfer, still manifests as I^2(r) losses. >Perhaps you should explain this to me again. Thanx HDN > If the phase is 90 degrees (exactly), that means an ideal reactance = no resistance and no loss. Even if you could find a perfect inductor or capacitor, there is still the equivalent series resistance of the source and transmission system. In delivering power, reactive elements introduce additional currents, and even if these reactive elements do not dissipate significant power, the I^2*r losses in the source or transmission system may. Think, for example, of a resistive load with an added parallel capacitor or inductor. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 19:59:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA02457; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:58:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:58:55 -0800 From: RBCorn2@aol.com Message-ID: <499273fd.36b91a5e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:56:14 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Magnet Wire Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"sBIxB3.0.Bc.-hHks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8850 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: APEX in Sunland or Sun Valley, CA. ( north of Burbank)....... The coolest Electronics 'junkyard' has tons of magnet wire by the pound.... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 20:04:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA10876; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:04:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:04:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990203231109.00e51d40@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:11:11 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ar7i9.0.pf2.mmHks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:07 PM 2/3/99, you wrote: >I wonder how many 19'th century dynamo attempts failed and we don't know of >them? >-Dave > A lot... Having followed a few of these posts, I recommend to you a copy of LV Bewley's "Flux Linkages and Electromagnetic Induction". Within he considers many of the questions you have been asking. Apparently he worked for the patent office, as an examiner. I don't always agree with his analysis (sometimes they seem stretched) but he does produce solutions. One which comes to mind was a study of a pair of magnets arranged thusly SSSSS NNNNN -> x NNNNN <- SSSSS The arrows indicate the sense of motion of the magnets. The wire is the x in the center, and comes out of the screen at you. A voltage will be induced across the wire, yet the flux at any instant around the wire is zero. Can you explain why? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 20:17:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA10395; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:17:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:17:36 -0800 From: RBCorn2@aol.com Message-ID: <62cb63d8.36b91cba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:06:18 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more black hole stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"dNkFv.0.9Y2.VzHks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8852 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has anyone downloaded "unknown"....I have too many $$$ programs for strange............. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 20:25:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA14369; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:25:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:25:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:18:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca Reply-To: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" To: GreenBuilding Listserver Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, MARLON REYES Subject: HELP: Lithium Bromide for cooling (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5wuXS3.0.QW3.Q4Iks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8853 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Colleagues: Could some kind soul guide this student in the right direction please? Please forward your comments directly to the e-mail address below. Thank you for considering my request on behalf of a keen student on a quest. Jorg ostrowski ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:16:49 -0800 From: MARLON REYES To: jdo@ucalgary.ca Subject: Lithium Bromide Marlon Reyes Ryerson Polytechnic University Architectural Building Science To: Jorg D Ostrowski Hello sir, my name is Marlon Reyes, I am currently working on a thesis research, regarding solar absorption cooling methods and I would like to find out more on the application of the Lithium Bromide solar absorption as a system to be applied for cooling. I interest in this system,since it operates at low regeneration temperatures, but I have not been able to find information regarding operation costs. I am contemplating the possibility to apply it as the cooling method for residential use in hot weather environments. I have had a hard time finding professionals versed in this subject who could perhaps guide me. Any information regarding this, would be highly appreciated. Thank you for reading this message and for any indication you may provide. Yours truly Marlon Reyes From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 3 23:29:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA02791; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:29:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:29:46 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: <44d1ceb0.36b94c48@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:29:12 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more black hole stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"22UoR1.0.Sh.gnKks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8854 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Jonathan. When you start to go to the accuracy of decimal points (or 1/1000 of %), you will run into the problem of the accuracy of your measurer. In this case the meter. Just in case it is not known, let me quote from my physbook. This will forever settle the speed of light and the meter. (Suuuurrreeeee) " In 1799, the legal standard of lenght in France became the meter, defined as one tenmillionth of the distance from the equator to North pole. As recently as 1960, the official lenght of the meter was the distance between two lines on a specific bar of platinum-iridium alloy stored under controlled conditions. This distance was abandoned for several reasons, a principal one being the limited accuracy with which the separation betveen the lines can be detirmineddoes not meet the current requirments of science and technology. Then the meter was defined as 1,650,763.73 wavelenghts of orange red light emmited from a crypton-86 lamp. In october, 1983, this definition was abandoned and the meter was redifined as the distance traveled by light in vacuum during an interval of 1 / 299792458 seconds. This latest definition arose because the speed of light is now defined as a universal constant having a value of 299,792,458 meters per second." I hope this clearifies the velocity of light and the lenght of the meter. So no matter how accurate you get, the "lenght of your meterstick" changes. :-) Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 03:24:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA11790; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:24:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:24:43 -0800 Message-ID: <19990204112409.24111.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.188.199.22] From: "Randy Hargraves" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Lasers and titanium dioxide / THANKS BILL ! ! ! Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:24:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RhQqq.0.7u2.wDOks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8855 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks William Beaty for the Web sight.!!!!!! I Will alsom be looking for an artical that may have com out in a USA Magizen Maybe "The Nature". Thus, If someone comes across That Please let me Know. Thanks again >Subject: Lasers and titanium dioxide > Laser action in very white paint > http://www.wins.uva.nl/research/scm/adlag/articles/dgain.htm > >Seriously cool stuff, if you ask me! :) ME TOO! >William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST Randy Hargraves 966 Castlebury Mansion Yukon, Oklahoma 73099-2102 randy_hargraves@hotmail.com 1-405-354-0033 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 07:49:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA03595; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:49:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:49:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990204073930.23b70628@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:39:30 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990203231109.00e51d40@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HvAX33.0.3u.L6Sks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8856 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Keith and all, At 11:11 PM 2/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >Having followed a few of these posts, I recommend to you a copy >of LV Bewley's "Flux Linkages and Electromagnetic Induction". Within >he considers many of the questions you have been asking. Thanks, I will look for it. >I don't always >agree with his analysis (sometimes they seem stretched) but he >does produce solutions. One which comes to mind was >a study of a pair of magnets arranged thusly > > SSSSS > NNNNN -> > > x > > NNNNN > <- SSSSS > > >The arrows indicate the sense of motion of the magnets. >The wire is the x in the center, and comes out of the screen >at you. > >A voltage will be induced across the wire, yet the flux at >any instant around the wire is zero. Can you explain why? > I have read and also done a few tests, if the wire is stationary, the velocity cross B doesn't apply. The leads to measure the voltage form a loop with the wire, and the flux changes through the loop depend on the loop geometry. One can start and end with the net flux = zero. This is similar to the Hooper-Monstein experiments and a 1 turn transformer secondary where also the B at the wires can be zero. I have tried a transformer with only the "E" laminations and a 1/2 turn secondary with the voltmeter leads forming the other half. The open core was so the leads could be moved to either side and the voltage monitored during the process. -Dave BTW, for V x B, the Hall effect is related, but the carriers are what are moving. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 10:03:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA18602; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:02:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:02:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:02:34 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: FREENRG cc: karen.a-z@shaw.wave.ca, Reiki Subject: Re: reiki> Re:Electricity and Reiki - the Phenomenon! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"En7-31.0.ZY4.63Uks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8857 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Irving Z. Gribbish wrote: > I have a Swatch that's been running for about two years- without a battery in it! Can anyone venture an interpretation of this one? It doesn't do it all the time. I often notice it ticking while I'm sending absent (Reiki). It's hanging on my noticeboard , so as to minimise activation by vibration. There is no capacitor large enough inside it to account for this length of operation. Yet in the physical world, things do not defy the laws of physics (or so I thought.) Hey, I was just wondering about this last week! My watch is many years old, with no battery replacement yet. I wonder, do certain people recharge their watch batteries because of their "biological torsion field"? It wouldn't take much to keep an LCD watch going forever. If a large set of watches is left on the table for years, and a second set is worn by humans, will one set of batteries last longer? (Maybe keep the control watches at 98.6, and move them around with a motor, to eliminate any normal-physics effects which might lengthen the battery life. DOORKNOBS, CAR DOORS, AND ELECTRIC HUMANS http://www.amasci.com/emotor/zapped.html ELECTRIC HUMAN INCIDENT REPORTS http://www.scienceclub.org/cgi-pvt/unusual/zap.html ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 11:17:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA29896; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:16:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:16:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Message-Id: <918155711.17059.510@excite.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:15:11 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3vd_z3.0.tI7.F8Vks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8858 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Concerning replicating one of Faradays experiments we floated a neodyminum magnet on mercury and sent dc current from an automobile battery from the middle of the cylindrical magnet to the opposite connection placed on the side of the mercury pool. It spun like crazy and the estimated 10 amps conducting though the magnet did not damage it;(NIB is conductive whereas ceramic magnets are not) this was surprising to me that current could be conducted through the actual magnet itself resulting in mechanical conversion.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 11:30:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA25388; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:29:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:29:57 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Message-Id: <918155608.27688.267@excite.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:13:28 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"oyRY41.0.aC6.qKVks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8859 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Concerning replicating one of Faradays experiments we floated a neodyminum magnet on mercury and sent dc current from an automobile battery from the middle of the cylindrical magnet to the opposite connection placed on the side of the mercury pool. It spun like crazy and the estimated 10 amps conducting though the magnet did not damage it;(NIB is conductive whereas ceramic magnets are not) this was surprising to me that current could be conducted through the actual magnet itself resulting in mechanical conversion.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 11:48:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA00528; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:47:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:47:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199902041947.NAA04861@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:46:40 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AEYEG2.0.98.ZbVks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8860 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Interesting. But you were producing merc vapors which can be inhaled and go directly to the blood stream, almost permanently, and do damage. Hope you had a fume hood. I bring this up because over the years I damaged myself in a variety of experiments.....merc.....X-ray....asbestos....litharge..etc. Joe the worrier..... ================== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators > Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 1:13 PM > > Concerning replicating one of Faradays experiments we floated a neodyminum > magnet on mercury and sent dc current from an automobile battery from the > middle of the cylindrical magnet to the opposite connection placed on the > side of the mercury pool. It spun like crazy and the estimated 10 amps > conducting though the magnet did not damage it;(NIB is conductive whereas > ceramic magnets are not) this was surprising to me that current could be > conducted through the actual magnet itself resulting in mechanical > conversion.HDN > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 13:07:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA30850; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:06:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:06:59 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <8f1bd35.36ba0b4b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:04:11 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"vM_Ff3.0.wX7.plWks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8861 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 2/4/99 11:21:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, tesla4@excite.com writes: << Concerning replicating one of Faradays experiments we floated a neodyminum magnet on mercury and sent dc current from an automobile battery from the middle of the cylindrical magnet to the opposite connection placed on the side of the mercury pool. It spun like crazy and the estimated 10 amps conducting though the magnet did not damage it;(NIB is conductive whereas ceramic magnets are not) this was surprising to me that current could be conducted through the actual magnet itself resulting in mechanical conversion.HDN >> Very interesting. But as the magnet spun like crazy an oppositely directed torque had to be exerted on something (it says in the physics books). The logical choice is the mercury, but on the other hand the currents in the mercury from the spinning magnet should tend to spin the mercury in the same direction as the magnet? Is the current from the center of the magnet going through the magnet to reach the outside radius of the magnet or is it going through the mercury? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 13:34:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08928; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:34:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:34:00 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: reiki> Re:Electricity and Reiki - the Phenomenon! Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:33:55 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36bb11e7.37477951@24.192.1.20> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nmT3V2.0.LB2.79Xks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8862 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:02:34 -0800 (PST), William Beaty wrote: >On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Irving Z. Gribbish wrote: > >> I have a Swatch that's been running for about two years- without a battery >>in it! Can anyone venture an interpretation of this one? It doesn't do it >>all the time. I often notice it ticking while I'm sending absent (Reiki). It's [snip] >Hey, I was just wondering about this last week! My watch is many years >old, with no battery replacement yet. I wonder, do certain people >recharge their watch batteries because of their "biological torsion >field"? It wouldn't take much to keep an LCD watch going forever. If a [snip] How many battery watches tick? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 13:49:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA14616; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:49:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:49:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990204133952.23c76f04@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:39:52 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators In-Reply-To: <8f1bd35.36ba0b4b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lny5o.0.Ha3.GNXks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8863 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey and Ken and all, At 04:04 PM 2/4/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/4/99 11:21:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, tesla4@excite.com >writes: > ><< Concerning replicating one of Faradays experiments we floated a neodyminum > magnet on mercury and sent dc current from an automobile battery from the > middle of the cylindrical magnet to the opposite connection placed on the > side of the mercury pool. The poles were (vertical), between the 2 faces, the same as ceramic speaker magnets? With enough torque, could you substitute a ball bearing and shaft for the mercury pool? The shaft would be connected to the inner radius and be one connection. Or are 2 current paths required? > >Very interesting. But as the magnet spun like crazy an oppositely directed >torque had to be exerted on something (it says in the physics books). Good question. In a normal homopolar disk "motor", the torque is exerted on the magnet. In a normal motor, similarly the torque is exerted on the stator and frame. The >logical choice is the mercury, but on the other hand the currents in the >mercury from the spinning magnet should tend to spin the mercury in the same >direction as the magnet? Is the current from the center of the magnet going >through the magnet to reach the outside radius of the magnet or is it going >through the mercury? > Ken >Keasy@aol.com -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 13:55:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA17038; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:55:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:55:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Sandy Strauss Subject: OFF OFF OFF !!! TURN OF THE HTML GENERATOR !!!! PLEASE !!!!Re: more black hole stuff In-Reply-To: <00bc01be4fdc$b2e4efa0$c7f219d0@sandys> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Qx3qQ2.0.t94.JTXks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8864 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: THE HEADER SAID 'ER. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 15:30:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA16412; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:29:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:29:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:29:41 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: reiki> Re:Electricity and Reiki - the Phenomenon! In-Reply-To: <36bb11e7.37477951@24.192.1.20> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1_NJn.0.H04.krYks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8865 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > How many battery watches tick? Swatch. I don't know of others. The Swatch is infamous for being torn open for its stepper motor, for use in fly-size robot projects. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 16:05:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA22113; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:05:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:05:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990205103400.0085fb90@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:34:00 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Additions to energy 21 website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OhL602.0.QP5.gMZks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8866 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me from Canada makes intersting reading. http://fortunecity.com/greenfields/bp/16/page3.html Geoff At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >charges in each other. >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > >--Gary. > >---------- >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> Hello all, >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >discs and the brushes? >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 16:27:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA05203; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:27:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:27:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Ticking..analog electric - the Phenomenon! In-Reply-To: <36bb11e7.37477951@24.192.1.20> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"TccQA1.0.CH1.nhZks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8867 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, There are some analog electrical watches which have a little TINE-BITTY- TEENY motor in them... and they tick....:) On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:02:34 -0800 (PST), William Beaty wrote: > > >On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Irving Z. Gribbish wrote: > > > >> I have a Swatch that's been running for about two years- without a battery > >>in it! Can anyone venture an interpretation of this one? It doesn't do it >>all the time. I often notice it ticking while I'm sending absent (Reiki). It's > [snip] > >Hey, I was just wondering about this last week! My watch is many years > >old, with no battery replacement yet. I wonder, do certain people > >recharge their watch batteries because of their "biological torsion > >field"? It wouldn't take much to keep an LCD watch going forever. If a > [snip] > How many battery watches tick? > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 16:33:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA08292; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:33:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:33:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Additions to energy 21 website In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205103400.0085fb90@main.murray.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yggge2.0.P12.BnZks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8868 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear G., This page does not load... On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, GEOFF EGEL wrote: > have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me > from > Canada makes intersting reading. > > http://fortunecity.com/greenfields/bp/16/page3.html > > Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce > >charges in each other. > >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, > >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that > >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and > >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. > >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the > >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally > >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path > >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush > >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the > >record surface. > >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" > >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very > >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from > >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: > >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's > >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. > >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than > >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. > >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > > > >--Gary. > > > >---------- > >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister > >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! > >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I > >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed > >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record > >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are > >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for > >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to > >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on > >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth > >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner > >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of > >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire > >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, > >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about > >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! > >> nd to run it with motors later. > >> > >> Questions: > >> > >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? > >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the > >discs and the brushes? > >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? > >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? > >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? > >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Kyle Randall Mcallister > >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > >> Phone: 228-875-0629 > >> Fax: 228-872-5837 > >> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Solaris searching for natures energy sources. > Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost > at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html > > last updated November 1998 > > my postal address as follows > Geoff Egel > 18 Sturt Street > Loxton 5333 > South Australia > Australia > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Energy 21 website now resides at > http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 16:58:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15884; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:58:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:58:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: to all researchers (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zDIFj3.0.5u3.O8aks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8869 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Forwarded message, NOT FFROM A FREENRG-L SUBSCRIBER. Respond to duca@msw.it ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:47:35 +0000 From: Paolo Pagliai To: vman@skylink.net Subject: to all researchers I wrote: .............................. Dear sir, please excuse my english not correct. My name is Marcello Costantino and I'm italian. I'm in touch with cultural Ass. Aquarius that, from years is taken ingagement to publish advanced scientific texts. Earlier it transleted in italian language " UFOs, Magnocraft, Free Energy Devices" a text from Dr Jan Pajak. Actually I'm ingaged in a search in internet of free energy to realization a project for a long time: to create a official data bank of all information useful, on the argoment in question, like list of URL, inventors, devices, theories, event's calendary, email and other. It is my intention: - Know how internet is used to difuse these information, wich researcher use internet and if they are reacheable through email and if exists a data bank much fournished. - Know if there is a disposibility of collaboration in this way. - Realise a data bank deposited in internet and eventually if the work is enough to publish a book. - Supply all data freely to anyone Any advice or collaboration will be appreciated. For any information you can write to . Further information will be transmited in other contact. Sincerily Marcello Costantino ..................... Gentle researchers, I thank you very much. I'm riceiving many email. I would like to expose you better my project. I started my research in internet on "free energy" and I noted, with wonder, that there are many sites excellent and rich of informations. This give me join but I noted that this kind of informations are distribuited in the myriad of pages in the jungle of World Wide Web. >From here was born the idea to realize a pubblication of all the researches and theories, developed and on the way to be developed, neither all the other informations retained useful (URL, Email, bibliography, list of inventors and inventions, calendary of events ...). Therefore it would be presumable the collaboration of each researcher for draft of report exposing own theories and researches. A way to finance the project, considering it valid, would be approach of awards distribuited from Rolex in the " Rolex awards for interprise 2000". I have not much time disposable because the Rolex will riceive the application forms to the contest until april 30 1999. In the application form I want to to enclose: - all the technical documentation of the most imprtant devoloped theories until now; - a few letters or email where researchers will give their own opinions on the project and will affirm the need to diffuse the more possible these theories and any other think that can give credibility to the project. My next steps: - to continue the research; - to collect the adhesion of collaboration; - to take all enough documentation to enclose the request of the contest. - to send the request. The realization of this kind of project can give officiality to the theories and researches in question through the channels of difusion Rolex itself; this guaranantes pubblications of articles on newspapers and magazines that are famous in the world, neither the same researchers in their work. Any advice, critic or collaboration will be infinitely appreciated. Sincerely, Marcello Costantino it is temporary email. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 17:14:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA04870; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:14:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:14:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990205114358.00856100@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:43:58 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Additions to energy 21 website correct url Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yqc3L.0.-B1.TNaks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8870 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me from Canada makes intersting reading. seems fortune city have changed their http url setup http://greenfields.fortune.city/bp/16/page3.html sorry about that Geoff At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >charges in each other. >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > >--Gary. > >---------- >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> Hello all, >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >discs and the brushes? >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 17:52:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA01907; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:50:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:50:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Additions to energy 21 website correct url In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205114358.00856100@main.murray.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EgCdt2.0.iT.Yvaks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8871 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Nope... still no work! On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, GEOFF EGEL wrote: > have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me > from > Canada makes intersting reading. > > > seems fortune city have changed their http url setup > http://greenfields.fortune.city/bp/16/page3.html > sorry about that Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce > >charges in each other. > >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, > >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that > >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and > >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. > >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the > >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally > >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path > >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush > >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the > >record surface. > >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" > >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very > >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from > >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: > >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's > >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. > >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than > >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. > >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > > > >--Gary. > > > >---------- > >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister > >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! > >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I > >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed > >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record > >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are > >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for > >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to > >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on > >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth > >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner > >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of > >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire > >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, > >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about > >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! > >> nd to run it with motors later. > >> > >> Questions: > >> > >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? > >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the > >discs and the brushes? > >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? > >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? > >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? > >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Kyle Randall Mcallister > >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > >> Phone: 228-875-0629 > >> Fax: 228-872-5837 > >> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Solaris searching for natures energy sources. > Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost > at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html > > last updated November 1998 > > my postal address as follows > Geoff Egel > 18 Sturt Street > Loxton 5333 > South Australia > Australia > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Energy 21 website now resides at > http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 18:18:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA12914; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:17:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:17:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990204212547.00e4c8a0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:25:49 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Additions to energy 21 website correct url Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RkQM33.0.d93.gIbks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8872 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yeah, Geoff seems to have this problem alot. Check the archive :^) K. At 08:41 PM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote: > > > Nope... still no work! > >On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, GEOFF EGEL wrote: > >> have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me >> from >> Canada makes intersting reading. >> >> >> seems fortune city have changed their http url setup >> http://greenfields.fortune.city/bp/16/page3.html >> sorry about that Geoff >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >> >charges in each other. >> >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >> >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >> >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >> >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >> >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >> >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >> >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >> >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >> >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >> >record surface. >> >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >> >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >> >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >> >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >> >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >> >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >> >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >> >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >> >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot >> > >> >--Gary. >> > >> >---------- >> >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >> >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >> >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >> >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >> >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >> >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >> >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >> >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >> >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >> >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >> >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >> >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >> >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >> >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> >> >> Questions: >> >> >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >> >discs and the brushes? >> >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> Solaris searching for natures energy sources. >> Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 >> >> Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost >> at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html >> >> last updated November 1998 >> >> my postal address as follows >> Geoff Egel >> 18 Sturt Street >> Loxton 5333 >> South Australia >> Australia >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- >> Energy 21 website now resides at >> http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 4 21:20:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA15181; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:20:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:20:30 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <6f5c0581.36ba7f31@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:18:41 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: "Simple" magnetic/induction problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"DoPzg2.0.5j3.T-dks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8873 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, I have been trying to determine what will happen and why for this simple magnetic induction problem. It is somewhat related to homopolar generators. Suppose I have a volume with a uniform magnetic field B. Perpendicular to the field and extending beyond the field on both sides I have a wire that is carrying a current I. Now I move the wire (move in a direction perpendicular to the field) through the field. For discussion let's say the force on the wire resists my moving it through the field. Then also there must be a voltage generated in the wire in the direction which tends to aid the flow of the current -- ie we have a generator. So far this is basic/standard theory. Now I change the experiment. Instead of a single wire I have dozens of small insulated wires laying in a plane next to each other, all laying perpendicular to the B field and extending beyond the field. Connecting to one or two of the wires on each end is a set of brushes. The brushes are connected also to an external current source which provides the same current I as in the standard theory experiment. Now I move the brushes together along the ends of the wires so that at any time the current I goes through one or two wires and moves through almost exactly the same points in space vs time as in the first experiment. Now come the questions: Although now there is no movement of the wires in the B field, the current is following almost exactly the same path as before; is there a force on each of the wires as the current goes through it? Is there a voltage generated as in the first experiment? Are we somehow providing power as we move the brushes along the wires, assuming we are generating a voltage? Depending upon what the answers are and why, you can think of a number of interesting configurations which seem to put energy conservation, momentum conservation (or both) at risk. My guess for the answers to the questions are yes, no, no. (I could also argue for yes, yes, no, but that is an overunity answer). Anyone like to comment? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 01:00:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA01021; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:58:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:58:23 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 03:57:13 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: it can pump water at no cost ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"b7Npk.0.oF.kAhks"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8874 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Very interesting site: Mehmet.>> Stirling Cycle pump Pollution-free and totally silent, fueled by waste heat or sunshine, it can pump water at no cost whatever Originally from Popular Science magazine, January 1975 Brrr! It's midwinter and there's a power blackout. The furnace is still producing all that lovely warmth, but the electric water pump isn't working, so there's no way to circulate the heat throughout the house. And you're cold. If you only had a pump that didn't rely on electricity, one that could be powered by the waste heat going up the chimney. Click here below to get there. http://www.iinet.com.au/~steveb/stirling/st_pump.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 04:00:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA24499; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 03:59:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 03:59:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990205223031.00846e50@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 22:30:31 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: super carb additions to energy 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7RseL.0.i-5.zqjks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8875 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me from Canada makes intersting reading. http://fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page3.html Geoff PS my computer was playing up at the time of the original posting and unfortunately I sent the wrong url both times. should be okay this time. fingers crossed. Geoff At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >charges in each other. >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > >--Gary. > >---------- >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> Hello all, >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >discs and the brushes? >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 06:31:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA12519; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:31:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:31:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:30:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: MKSBoysal@aol.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it can pump water at no cost ! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QreHX.0.M33.B3mks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8876 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thank you for your practical and useful posting. Jorg Ostrowski ________________________________________________________________ On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > Stirling Cycle pump > > Pollution-free and totally silent, fueled by waste heat or sunshine, it can > pump water at no cost > whatever > > Originally from Popular Science magazine, January 1975 > > Brrr! It's midwinter and there's a power blackout. The furnace is still > producing all that lovely warmth, but the electric water > pump isn't working, so there's no way to circulate the heat throughout the > house. And you're cold. If you only had a pump that > didn't rely on electricity, one that could be powered by the waste heat going > up the chimney. > Click here below to get there. > > http://www.iinet.com.au/~steveb/stirling/st_pump.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 07:46:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA04337; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:46:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:46:34 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:42:45 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: super carb additions to energy 21 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"CUIM93.0.g31.P9nks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8877 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 2/5/99 4:04:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, egel@main.murray.net.au writes: << http://fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page3.html Geoff PS my computer was playing up at the time of the original posting and unfortunately I sent the wrong url both times. should be okay this time. fingers crossed. >> Try uncrossing fingers?? URL doesn't work for me. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 08:31:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA19532; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:31:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:31:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990205082051.27ef15f4@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:20:51 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: "Simple" magnetic/induction problem In-Reply-To: <6f5c0581.36ba7f31@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wLtcD.0.km4.Fpnks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8878 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:18 AM 2/5/99 EST, Ken wrote: >Hello all, > I have been trying to determine what will happen and why for this >simple magnetic induction problem. It is somewhat related to homopolar >generators. > > Suppose I have a volume with a uniform magnetic field B. Perpendicular >to the field and extending beyond the field on both sides I have a wire that >is carrying a current I. Now I move the wire (move in a direction >perpendicular to the field) through the field. For discussion let's say the >force on the wire resists my moving it through the field. Then also there >must be a voltage generated in the wire in the direction which tends to aid >the flow of the current -- ie we have a generator. So far this is >basic/standard theory. > > Now I change the experiment. Instead of a single wire I have dozens of >small insulated wires laying in a plane next to each other, all laying >perpendicular to the B field and extending beyond the field. Connecting to >one or two of the wires on each end is a set of brushes. The brushes are >connected also to an external current source which provides the same current I >as in the standard theory experiment. Now I move the brushes together along >the ends of the wires so that at any time the current I goes through one or >two wires and moves through almost exactly the same points in space vs time as >in the first experiment. > > Now come the questions: Although now there is no movement of the wires in >the B field, the current is following almost exactly the same path as before; >is there a force on each of the wires as the current goes through it? Is >there a voltage generated as in the first experiment? Are we somehow >providing power as we move the brushes along the wires, assuming we are >generating a voltage? > > Depending upon what the answers are and why, you can think of a number of >interesting configurations which seem to put energy conservation, momentum >conservation (or both) at risk. My guess for the answers to the questions >are yes, no, no. (I could also argue for yes, yes, no, but that is an >overunity answer). Anyone like to comment? > Ken Keasy@aol.com > An interesting experiment! How about yes, yes, yes, and no ou? (with qualifications) (Qualifications = yes, no, no) Suppose there is no external current source for the wire, but it is a closed circuit, say with a ammeter. For the moving wire I get: Force, voltage, power yes, yes, yes. For fixed wires, there is no voltage so a switch (brush) does nothing no, no, no. Special case 2, no external uniform B field, but a current I in the wire. For the moving wire, one has to consider the rest of the loop which can exert a force on the straight portion. Also, is the area of the loop circuit changing? Then the inductance is changing, and if you consider these as candidates you get (force from other parts of loop, inductor voltage, energy in inductor) yes, yes, yes (if area is changed) This is the case for the switched wires where it looks like switching different inductors. Final answer for switched wires in B field with current. Force = yes. No movement is required for the IxB force. Power: The final loop has more (or less) area than when the brushes were started. Thus the magnetic energy is changed. So power is supplied, but electrically. But is there an interaction with the B field like the moving wire? I say no. Voltage: Yes, but from the 0.5*L*I^2. (A change in energy implies something changed electrically). But a voltage like the moving wire? no.. So IMO, the original questions: Yes, no, no. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 13:29:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA09630; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:28:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:28:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Page not there..Re: super carb additions to energy 21 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205223031.00846e50@main.murray.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CQk3O1.0.MM2.y9sks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8879 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Geoff, message 'page not there' ... No go! On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, GEOFF EGEL wrote: > > > > > > Have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me > from > Canada makes intersting reading. > > http://fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page3.html > > Geoff > > PS my computer was playing up at the time of the original posting and > unfortunately I sent the wrong url both times. > > should be okay this time. > fingers crossed. > > Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce > >charges in each other. > >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, > >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that > >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and > >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. > >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the > >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally > >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path > >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush > >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the > >record surface. > >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" > >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very > >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from > >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: > >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's > >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. > >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than > >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. > >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > > > >--Gary. > > > >---------- > >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister > >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! > >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I > >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed > >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record > >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are > >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for > >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to > >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on > >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth > >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner > >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of > >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire > >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, > >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about > >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! > >> nd to run it with motors later. > >> > >> Questions: > >> > >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? > >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the > >discs and the brushes? > >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? > >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? > >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? > >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Kyle Randall Mcallister > >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > >> Phone: 228-875-0629 > >> Fax: 228-872-5837 > >> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Solaris searching for natures energy sources. > Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost > at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html > > last updated November 1998 > > my postal address as follows > Geoff Egel > 18 Sturt Street > Loxton 5333 > South Australia > Australia > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Energy 21 website now resides at > http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 14:56:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA26376; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:55:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:55:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199902052255.RAA16749@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: PMOD Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:54:55 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Sw-Ze3.0.0S6.vRtks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8880 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Everybody.... I said everybody.... About the PMOD. If we make the core long enough and if we cut the power supply at the primary "before" the BackEMF from the secondary reaches the primary, Is it true that this PMOD system, proposed by Gregg Watson is OVERUNITY ?? I mean, Just think about it, even if you cut the power supply at the primary before the back emf reaches it, the back emf of the secondary will destroy the "pre-loaded" power from the primary. in other words, you spend nothing but you get nothing. anyone has a clue ? best regards, patrick tremblay From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 15:40:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08166; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:40:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:40:29 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: super carb additions to energy 21 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:40:09 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36be8127.131520925@24.192.1.20> References: <3.0.5.32.19990205223031.00846e50@main.murray.net.au> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205223031.00846e50@main.murray.net.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IlG8C.0.R_1.h5uks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8881 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 22:30:31 +1000, GEOFF EGEL wrote: [snip] > Have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me >from >Canada makes intersting reading. > >http://fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page3.html > >Geoff [snip] That should be http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page3.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 15:49:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12319; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:49:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:49:11 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it can pump water at no cost ! Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:37:55 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36bd8076.131343517@24.192.1.20> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_Nk43.0.K03.sDuks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8882 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 03:57:13 EST, MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: [snip] >Brrr! It's midwinter and there's a power blackout. The furnace is still >producing all that lovely warmth, but the electric water >pump isn't working, so there's no way to circulate the heat throughout the >house. And you're cold. If you only had a pump that [snip] If really desperate, go sit in the basement next to the heater, till the power is back on. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 16:15:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09910; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:14:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators Message-Id: <918260026.22118.788@excite.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:13:46 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"chvu2.0.lQ2.mbuks"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8883 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:39:52, Dave Dameron wrote: > Hi Harvey and Ken and all, > At 04:04 PM 2/4/99 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 2/4/99 11:21:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, > tesla4@excite.com > >writes: > > > ><< Concerning replicating one of Faradays experiments we floated a neodyminum > > magnet on mercury and sent dc current from an automobile battery from the > > middle of the cylindrical magnet to the opposite connection placed on the > > side of the mercury pool. > > The poles were (vertical), between the 2 faces, the same as ceramic speaker > magnets? With enough torque, could you substitute a ball bearing and shaft > for the mercury pool? The shaft would be connected to the inner radius and > be one connection. Or are 2 current paths required? > > > >Very interesting. But as the magnet spun like crazy an oppositely directed > >torque had to be exerted on something (it says in the physics books). > > Good question. In a normal homopolar disk "motor", the torque is exerted on > the magnet. In a normal motor, similarly the torque is exerted on the > stator and frame. > > The > >logical choice is the mercury, but on the other hand the currents in the > >mercury from the spinning magnet should tend to spin the mercury in the same > >direction as the magnet? Is the current from the center of the magnet > going > >through the magnet to reach the outside radius of the magnet or is it going > >through the mercury? > > Ken > >Keasy@aol.com > > -Dave >> It would be my reasoning the the current going perpendicular across the magnet causes the spin even though the bottom of the magnet immersed in the mercury also offers a path of conduction. We copied this experiment from a public television show in which two things were shown: the magnet could be suspended in the middle of the mercury and a wire conduction rod could be made to circle the stationary magnet and in the inverse the rod can be made stationary and the magnet made to rotate around the wire. The tele shows a very unusual spin when this happens; as if the magnet was attempting to untwist itself every time it makes a revolution. This was very difficult to replicate because the magnet wants to stick to the wire; but of course Faraday wasnt using neodimium; and what we did was to turn the lights on in the car to lessen the current flow through the experiment. It was during these different tries that led to the observation that the wire could conduct through the magnet itself and spin. Incidentally dangerous vapors were given off in this experiment; my friend was less cautious than I and I was more or less watching him conduct this experiment. This documentary on Faraday aired sometime in the 1980's; my friend is a packrat he may still have a VHS of it. He didnt agree with my assessment concerning the cause of spin,maybe I can get him to give his opinion on this. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 17:18:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14272; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:18:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:18:23 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01be516e$74021ae0$91f219d0@sandys> From: sandys@tcia.net (Sandy Strauss) To: Subject: sorry re: black hole stuff Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:16:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE5144.6E4CB760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"s6SG.0.oU3.VXvks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8884 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE5144.6E4CB760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, I realize that an object of 6ft would be torn apart by the gravity = of a black hole as the speed of it becomes C. What if it did reach C = (light speed) would it become part of the black hole and truely become = part of it? Can something smaller be torn apart? Such as a solid = object, like a small ball bearing... could it even be torn apart? =20 Another thought i had, was if it was possible to neutralize the = gravitational pull? If you built a sphere large enough to accompany a = black hole and started to spin it to create gravity would it = counter-react the gravity of the black hole or would the sphere just = collapse on itself? None the less, i sure wouldn't want to be on the = inside of that sphere, which i also calculated the size of such a = sphere. =20 And another thing, does anyone have a more accurate number for the speed = of light, (299792458 m/s) such as too a certain decimal point? And any = suggestion on certain colleges that are excellent for astrophysics, = physics, and astronomy? 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Dear friends,
    I realize that an object of 6ft would be torn = apart by=20 the gravity of a black hole as the speed of it becomes C.  What if = it did=20 reach C (light speed) would it become part of the black hole and truely = become=20 part of it? Can something smaller be torn apart?  Such as a = solid=20 object, like a small ball bearing... could it even be torn apart?  =
 
    Another thought i had, was if it was possible to = neutralize the gravitational pull?  If you built a sphere large = enough to=20 accompany a black hole and started to spin it to create gravity would it = counter-react the gravity of the black hole or would the sphere just = collapse on=20 itself?  None the less, i sure wouldn't want to be on the inside of = that=20 sphere, which i also calculated the size of such a sphere. 
 
And another thing, does anyone have a more accurate number for the = speed of=20 light, (299792458 m/s) such as too a certain decimal point?  And = any=20 suggestion on certain colleges that are excellent for astrophysics, = physics, and=20 astronomy?
 
Regards,
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE5144.6E4CB760-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 19:04:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA18787; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:04:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:04:06 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: current, no power Message-Id: <918270222.15047.107@excite.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:03:42 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9B_uJ.0.Mb4.b4xks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8885 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:52:42 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?= wrote: > Hi all > You can have current without power; but you must work in AC current. > If voltage and current are out of phase (180 degrees), you can have current > without power (theorically). > Vicente. > >> The currents acting through a parallel resonant circuit are 180 degrees out out phase which means the highest impedance. The current is continually going in the opposite direction of the impressed voltage, which may cause consternation of some of us who wonder how can this be? The case of a single inductor placed to AC is 90 degrees out of phase which means that the current is only going in the direction of the impressed AC voltage 50% of the time which results in our observation of the coils own impedance. And lastly when the voltage is in phase with the current it goes the correct direction 100% of the time so that the coils impedance disapears and series resonance takes place. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 19:25:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24525; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:25:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:25:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990205185448.22870fd2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:54:48 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators In-Reply-To: <918260026.22118.788@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1104K3.0.6_5.kOxks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8886 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey, At 04:13 PM 2/5/99 PST, you wrote: >>> It would be my reasoning the the current going perpendicular across the >magnet causes the spin even though the bottom of the magnet immersed in the >mercury also offers a path of conduction. We copied this experiment from a >public television show in which two things were shown: the magnet could be >suspended in the middle of the mercury and a wire conduction rod could be >made to circle the stationary magnet and in the inverse the rod can be made >stationary and the magnet made to rotate around the wire. Yes, this is what Faraday did in 1821 to demonstrate circular "lines of force". Here the current carrying wire and the magnet were separate, although the magnet may have been a electrode. It took a while longer to demonstrate induction: magnetism ->electricity. The tele shows a >very unusual spin when this happens; as if the magnet was attempting to >untwist itself every time it makes a revolution. This was very difficult to >replicate because the magnet wants to stick to the wire; but of course >Faraday wasnt using neodimium; and what we did was to turn the lights on in >the car to lessen the current flow through the experiment. It was during >these different tries that led to the observation that the wire could >conduct through the magnet itself and spin. Incidentally dangerous vapors >were given off in this experiment; my friend was less cautious than I and I >was more or less watching him conduct this experiment. This documentary on >Faraday aired sometime in the 1980's; my friend is a packrat he may still >have a VHS of it. He didnt agree with my assessment concerning the cause of >spin,maybe I can get him to give his opinion on this. HDN > Can you elaborate more on your assessment please? Forces are applied to? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 19:25:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24567; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:25:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:25:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990205190000.22874f06@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:00:00 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PMOD In-Reply-To: <199902052255.RAA16749@express.globetrotter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fAEjR.0.m_5.pOxks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8887 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:54 PM 2/5/99 -0600, Patrick wrote: >Everybody.... > >About the PMOD. > >If we make the core long enough and if we cut the power supply at the >primary "before" the BackEMF from the secondary reaches the primary, Is it >true that this PMOD system, proposed by Gregg Watson is OVERUNITY ?? > Maybe you should think of it like a long transmission line where the source does not see the effect of the load until the reflected wave gets back. Here the power relationships have been studied in great detail. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 5 23:55:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA29692; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:54:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:54:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990206030330.00e4f2e0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 03:03:32 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: PMOD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7EBsH3.0.mF7.GL_ks"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8888 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yup. A magnetic delay line. The drive circuit seems problematic; I'd use more standard TDR measurement techniques. I remember mentioning this to Greg, but he seemed unreceptive. K. Bozorth anyone? At 07:00 PM 2/5/99, you wrote: >Maybe you should think of it like a long transmission line where the source >does not see the effect of the load until the reflected wave gets back. >Here the power relationships have been studied in great detail. >-Dave > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 03:03:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA22365; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:01:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:01:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990206213221.007ab4c0@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 21:32:21 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Additions to energy 21 website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hTT4N1.0.MT5.R42ls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: have added articles about super carbs an author and inventor has sent me from Canada makes intersting reading. got it right this time http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfields/bp/16/page3.html Geoff At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >charges in each other. >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > >--Gary. > >---------- >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> Hello all, >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >discs and the brushes? >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 10:08:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA17419; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:08:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:08:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199902061808.NAA01021@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: PMOD Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:07:09 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ez1572.0.4G4.9K8ls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8890 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron > Maybe you should think of it like a long transmission line where the source > does not see the effect of the load until the reflected wave gets back. You're right Dave, I think that the transmission grid has a very long delay and a lot of steps. If this system really was overunity, they'd be sending us pulsed power over the lines, not continuous AC. Surely the electric utilities would have detected this anomaly a long time ago and develop a new technology. Keith Nagel > Yup. A magnetic delay line. Yes, but the real question is: is this system OVERUNITY ? If the effect of the load does not reach the source, is this an overunity system or does the power stored in the system gets destroyed by the load and would need further supply by the source ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 10:30:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA23731; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:30:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:30:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: induction and coiled homopolar generators In-Reply-To: <918260026.22118.788@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SJTJP3.0.Yo5.Lf8ls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8891 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Harvey Norris wrote: > >> It would be my reasoning the the current going perpendicular across the > magnet causes the spin even though the bottom of the magnet immersed in the > mercury also offers a path of conduction. We copied this experiment from a > public television show in which two things were shown: the magnet could be Ideally you want a magnet which is only a magnet, and not also a conductor. Put a couple of coats of paint on your NIB magnet and see if you still get that effect. (or cover it with tape or something.) Homopolar motors are supposed to cause motion between two different conductors. If the mercury is one conductor and the magnet is the other, then perhaps the spinning magnet is conventional science, and not weird science. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 11:46:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA09315; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:45:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 13:12:44 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.19990206030330.00e4f2e0@cnct.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990206030330.00e4f2e0@cnct.com> Lines: 349 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"3wUf01.0.NH2.qk9ls"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8892 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Yup. A magnetic delay line. > >The drive circuit seems problematic; I'd use more standard TDR >measurement techniques. I remember mentioning this to Greg, >but he seemed unreceptive. Here is a understandable description of a Time Domain Reflectomitor. It comes from a one-way mailing list that deals with high speed electronic design problems. If you wish to subscribe to it the info is at the bottom of this message along with the web site of the archives. Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:33:32 -0800 (PST) From: High-Speed Digital Design To: "High-Speed Digital Design Newsletter Subscriber(10)": ; Subject: TDR & ICE CUBE TRAYS *----------------------------------------------------* H i g h - S p e e d D i g i t a l D e s i g n *On-Line Newsletter* Dr. Howard Johnson, Vol.3 Issue 5 *----------------------------------------------------* *-------------------(ANNOUNCEMENTS)------------------* NEXT PUBLIC HIGH-SPEED DIGITAL DESIGN SEMINARS: San Jose, CA March 4-5, 1999 Austin, TX April 15-16, 1999 Boston, MA May 20-21, 1999 U. of Oxford, UK June 7-8, 1999 Space is limited, register today! Information at: http://signalintegrity.com/seminar.htm *---------------------(QUESTION)---------------------* TDR & ICE CUBE TRAYS Brian Martin writes: Dr Johnson, I've read your book and seen the impressive web site you maintain and wondered if you would be kind enough to throw some light on a problem of understanding I have. I have been doing some TDR work here and was content with the standard explanations of what was happening. Helping in the work is an undergraduate student who kept asking me awkward questions. It was a bit like having your child asking why the sky is blue, all day long. It soon became obvious that while I might have fooled examiners over 20 years ago that I knew something about field theory, the intervening years have taken their toll. I went to the readable press, yours included but didn't find any one text that answered all my questions. I then tried to put together a picture for the mathematically challenged that made sense to me and offer it here (see below). The problem of course is that while a story may sound good, it doesn't necessarily bear any relevance to the truth. In particular this story is in conflict with yours insomuch as you have simultaneous non-interacting waves deriving from a reflection and I don't. If we talk hydraulic analogy your model sounds like the undertow sliding under the incoming roller and mine is more like a blocked drain backing up to the sink. The net current is the same but the dynamics of what is happening in the pipe is quite different. The problem of course is that since I can't visualize what TEM transmission 'really' looks like I just use the L C ladder model as you did in section 4.2.1 and carry it to its logical (to me) conclusion which is at variance with the received wisdom. That's why I'm asking for some expert guidance in this. ___TDR for the mathematically challenged___ Consider a step function injected into a lossless coaxial transmission line. At the time of launch the wave has no knowledge of the end point. It is only constrained by the immediate characteristics of the transmission line it is entering. The wave enters a section, delta-x long of defined impedance Z made up of delta-c and delta-l whose values derive from the geometry of the cable (big D little d equation reference goes here). The delta-c presents a short circuit, or at least a very low impedance, to the rising edge. The incoming current charges up the capacitor to the incoming waves potential. This provokes a flow of current into ground, which returns through the screen to the signal generator. As the potential on the capacitor rises to meet that of the incoming wave front the capacitor becomes fully charged and current ceases to flow into it. By that time of course, the wave front has moved on to the next segment of length delta-x. As the wave front crosses the boundary from one small slice to the next, it experiences exactly the same boundary conditions of Z as it was leaving so v and i are conserved and the wave front propagates through the cable. Charge is brought to each slice of delta-c in turn and so there is a continuous generation of return current along the braid of the cable whose position of generation is always in phase with the wave front moving down the central conductor. Consider now what happens if the cable terminates in a load of lower impedance than that of the cable itself. In the limit this load impedance could be zero, a short. For a lower impedance, the potential needed to transmit the actual current being supplied is much lower than that being presented, tending to zero for a short. This lower voltage must now propagate backwards to the source thus collapsing the charge that has been accumulated along the cable. This charge now flows forward into the load until electrostatic equilibrium is re- established while the collapsing potential propagates backwards towards the source. This is described as a reflected wave of negative voltage, which subtracts from the incoming step function. If the mismatch was a complete short then the reflected negative wave has the same amplitude as the previous outgoing wave and will have fully canceled it out by the time it reaches the source. Consider now what happens if the cable terminates in a load of higher impedance than that of the cable itself. In the limit this load impedance could be infinite, an open. In this case the current continues to arrive at the last slice and so the potential on the delta-c will start to rise. As it does so then there starts to develop a potential difference between the load and source ends of the cable. This in turn develops a wave front travelling back toward the source. Equilibrium is reached when the potential at the load end reaches twice that at the source end. At that point the reflected current is equal to the incoming current and the potential no longer rises. The wave front propagates back to the source leaving the cable behind it in a static condition charged to twice the first incoming potential. *----------------(DR. JOHNSON REPLIES)---------------* Thanks for your interest in high-speed digital design. You've come up with a pretty good description. I especially admire the fact that you have properly perceived how current flows on the ground plane underneath the line. That is exactly what happens. Here are a couple of ideas I use when I try to describe how lines work. First, I note that no analogy is going to be perfect, and that there is no substitute for just believing the mathematical model. The analogies are useful, but in the case of conflict between the analogy and the standard mathematical model, the mathematical model wins. Anyway, one idea I use just to get across the idea of basic wave propagation is the "ice cube tray" model. [You are in Europe, so I have to check a couple of facts before I go ahead here. In the U.S., we freeze ice cubes in shallow plastic (or metal) trays. The trays contain about a dozen little square compartments for the cubes, in two neat rows. The dividing walls between sections are not quite as high as the outer walls of the tray, so you can slosh the water about between sections to equalize cube size.] There are two ways to fill an ice cube tray. Some people like to hold the tray horizontal under the faucet, moving it back and forth to fill all the individual compartments. Other people (like me) like to hold the tray at a tilt, letting the water flow in at one end. We like to watch the water fill up one section, then spill into the next, and then fill the next, etc., until the whole tray is full. The faucet provides water at a constant rate of flow, which propagates a step wave of water, moving further and further down the tray. The front end of the tray develops a constant pressure head (the height of the first compartment). The ratio of pressure to flow (V to I) at the first compartment is constant). This is precisely how the L-C model of a transmission line works. When you impress a step of current into a distributed L-C model, the current initially charges the first unit element of capacitance, returning along the power and ground planes to its source. In the time the first capacitor takes to fill, the first unit element of inductance goes from a high impedance to a low impedance, allowing current to flow into the next section. As each successive section fills, the inductors switch the flow into the next. At any point in time, current is rushing down the line, filling up one little unit element of capacitance, and returning along the planes. From the perspective of the front end of the line, you get a constant flow of current, and a constant pressure head (voltage). In other words, the input impedance to a transmission line, in the presence of only one mode of propagation (nothing returning from the far end) is purely resistive (constant ratio of V/I). This ratio is called Z0, the characteristic impedance of the cable. OK, now what you do is use the principle of superposition to explain that with the transmission line, unlike with an ice-cube tray, I can superimpose two current sources at arbitrary positions and create two waves which pass each other like trains in the night. At every position, the voltages add (and the currents, if they are going in different directions, subtract). The easiest way to see this is to imagine an infinitely long line, and position your current sources at two intermediate points A (on the left) and B (on the right). The source at A creates two waves, spreading either direction away from A. At B, we get the same thing. Between the two points, we get two waves traveling in opposite directions. I'm next going to change things around in order to show how to do the boundary calculations. Imagine that current source A puts out a single unit step. Let's start out by asking a simple question: "What current would I have to inject at point B in order to make A think a resistive load Z0 was connected at point B instead of an infinite length of cable going to the right?" The answer is: "None". The cable to the right of B ALREADY looks like a resistor Z0. This is the end-termination condition. When you terminate a line in a resistor of value Z0, nothing comes back in your face, regardless of what you send down the line. Here's a more difficult question: "What current would I have to inject at point B in order to make A think a short circuit was connected at point B?" The conditions for a short circuit are that V=0 at point B. If we set the step current amplitude for B equal to negative one, and time the generation of B to correspond with the arrival of the step from A, then the voltage at B will be zero for all times. That's the same as a short circuit. What we have learned is that having a short circuit at B is the same thing as having something at the end of the line which sends back towards us a wave of equal amplitude but opposite polarity. The final question (and the one that causes the most confusion): "What current would I have to inject at point B in order to make A think an open circuit was connected at point B?" The conditions for an open circuit are that I=0 at point B. If we set the step current amplitude for B equal to positive one, and time the generation of B to correspond with the arrival of the step from A, then the current just to the left of position B will be zero for all times. That's the same as an open circuit. Note that the superposition of the wave from A, plus the wave from B generates a doubling of the apparent voltage at position B. (Don't worry about the current to the right, we are just interested in knowing what size wave we need going from B to A in order to make A think it hit an open circuit). [If you follow through with all the math you should know that the unit step currents produce step voltages of I*Z0/2, because each generated wave must split and go in two directions]. This is the general format for solving all boundary- condition problems in transmission lines: assume the line is truly infinite, and figure out what equivalent sources we would have to position at the boundary locations in order to cause equivalent actions within the perimeter of the model. P.S. -- one little item I left out that may be of use to you -- I like to think about the POWER contained within the incoming waves. When an incoming step edge slams into the end of a transmission line, if the line is either shorted or open, there is nothing there to dissipate any power. Whatever power I shoved into the system must then reflect back in my face. In other words, the magnitude of the reflection coefficient has to be unity. Best Regards, Dr. Howard Johnson *----------------------------------------------------* Comments welcome! hsdd@signalintegrity.com To unsubscribe from this list: send an email to hsdd@sigcon.com with "unsubscribe" in the subject line. To subscribe to this list: send an email to hsdd@sigcon.com with "subscribe" in the subject line. Include your name and email address in the body of the message. (NOTE: If you received this message, you do not need to re-subscribe.) Newsletter Archives: http://signalintegrity.com/newsletter.htm Copyright 1999. Signal Consulting, Inc. All Rights Reserved. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 12:16:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA12893; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:16:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:16:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990206151859.00e5aec0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:19:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: PMOD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2vJM61.0.M93.0CAls"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8893 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:07 PM 2/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >Yes, but the real question is: is this system OVERUNITY ? > >If the effect of the load does not reach the source, is this an overunity >system or does the power stored in the system gets destroyed by the load >and would need further supply by the source ? > Well, try it and find out :^) Before you dive in, you ought to consider a better circuit for making an energy measurement of the system. Look for books on Time Domain Reflectometry; sounds like a mouthfull but really its just about bouncing pulses off of things to determine their characteristics. Anyone with this understanding and THE WILL TO DO IT could answer the question to within a few percent. Damn! I was just writing up a description and what should appear in my mailbox but a hugh post from Bob Paddock beating me to the punch!!!!! Thanx Bob, you're a prince. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 13:25:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08985; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:25:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:25:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990206160414.00e593d0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:04:16 -0500 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Aperion Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vM5Y12.0.9C2.5DBls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8894 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Check it out... http://redshift.vif.com/current.htm New issue is posted. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 15:18:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12979; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:17:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:17:56 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <70f04407.36bccd74@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:17:08 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: "Simple" magnetic/induction problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"cuoH1.0.iA3.ZsCls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8895 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 2/5/99 8:36:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: << > > Suppose I have a volume with a uniform magnetic field B. Perpendicular >to the field and extending beyond the field on both sides I have a wire that >is carrying a current I. Now I move the wire (move in a direction >perpendicular to the field) through the field. For discussion let's say the >force on the wire resists my moving it through the field. Then also there >must be a voltage generated in the wire in the direction which tends to aid >the flow of the current -- ie we have a generator. So far this is >basic/standard theory. > > Now I change the experiment. Instead of a single wire I have dozens of >small insulated wires laying in a plane next to each other, all laying >perpendicular to the B field and extending beyond the field. Connecting to >one or two of the wires on each end is a set of brushes. The brushes are >connected also to an external current source which provides the same current I >as in the standard theory experiment. Now I move the brushes together along >the ends of the wires so that at any time the current I goes through one or >two wires and moves through almost exactly the same points in space vs time as >in the first experiment. > > Now come the questions: Although now there is no movement of the wires in >the B field, the current is following almost exactly the same path as before; >is there a force on each of the wires as the current goes through it? Is >there a voltage generated as in the first experiment? Are we somehow >providing power as we move the brushes along the wires, assuming we are >generating a voltage? > > Depending upon what the answers are and why, you can think of a number of >interesting configurations which seem to put energy conservation, momentum >conservation (or both) at risk. My guess for the answers to the questions >are yes, no, no. (I could also argue for yes, yes, no, but that is an >overunity answer). Anyone like to comment? > Ken Keasy@aol.com Final answer for switched wires in B field with current. Force = yes. No movement is required for the IxB force. Power: The final loop has more (or less) area than when the brushes were started. Thus the magnetic energy is changed. So power is supplied, but electrically. But is there an interaction with the B field like the moving wire? I say no. Voltage: Yes, but from the 0.5*L*I^2. (A change in energy implies something changed electrically). But a voltage like the moving wire? no.. So IMO, the original questions: Yes, no, no. -Dave >> We seem to agree on the answers, but IF we are correct then if you move a current through a magnetic field by moving the wire that it is in, you must provide power and there is a voltage generated. On the other hand, if you move a current through a magnetic field (and you can make the current path be EXACTLY the same) by changing which wire it is flowing through -wires stationary- no power is required and no voltage is generated. If this is indeed true it seems there should be some interesting ways this could be exploited. Any other ideas and/or comments would be welcome. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 16:19:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA01324; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:19:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:19:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990206192825.00e6a300@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:28:27 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: PMOD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LKCbQ3.0.bK.dmDls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8896 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:12 PM 2/6/99 -0500, you wrote: > There are two ways to fill an ice cube tray. Some > people like to hold the tray horizontal under the > faucet, moving it back and forth to fill all the > individual compartments. > > Other people (like me) like to hold the tray at a > tilt, letting the water flow in at one end. We like > to watch the water fill up one section, then spill > into the next, and then fill the next, etc., until > the whole tray is full. > > The faucet provides water at a constant rate of > flow, which propagates a step wave of water, moving > further and further down the tray. > > The front end of the tray develops a constant > pressure head (the height of the first > compartment). The ratio of pressure to flow (V to > I) at the first compartment is constant). > > This is precisely how the L-C model of a > transmission line works. Good analogue for a lumped constant delay line... An ordinary tube suffices for the distributed model. The hydrodynamic model is an exact analogue of the electrical system. For example. Charge a tranmssion line to some DC potential. Now put a matched resistor across one end. The line discharges, and the current pulse is twice the electrical length of the line. Why? Plug one end of a tube, and fill with water. Put your thumb over the open end, and tilt so the tube is horizontal. Remove thumb. Will the water all come out at once? Or what? Do it and see for yourself :^) Look closely at the tube, but don't spill water on your shirt 'cause you're so fixated on the tube. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 17:21:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA18929; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:21:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:21:28 -0800 Message-ID: <003601be5171$cb311b60$b7ec060c@dlackey> From: "davelook" To: "FREE ENERGY" Subject: UFO's and Anti-gravity: Piece for a Jigsaw Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"WIkGO1.0.gd4.OgEls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8897 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have any of you read "UFO's and Anti-gravity: Piece for a Jigsaw"? If so, do you know where to find more info on the C. A. Bjerkness demonstrations? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 17:54:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA27725; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:53:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:53:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990206173820.238f17b8@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:38:20 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: "Simple" magnetic/induction problem In-Reply-To: <70f04407.36bccd74@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zWefP.0.3n6.m8Fls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8898 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken and all, At 06:17 PM 2/6/99 EST, you wrote: > We seem to agree on the answers, but IF we are correct then if you move a >current through a magnetic field by moving the wire that it is in, you must >provide power and there is a voltage generated. On the other hand, if you >move a current through a magnetic field (and you can make the current path be >EXACTLY the same) by changing which wire it is flowing through -wires >stationary- no power is required and no voltage is generated. > If this is indeed true it seems there should be some interesting ways this >could be exploited. Yes, "move" in the second case appears to mean something different, although in both cases, the current carrying wire may end up at the same location. I thought the second (brushes/switched) may be equivalent to: 1) turn off the current to a wire in a magnetic field. 2) pick another wire in the field. 3) turn on the current to that wire. Of course, some of these steps may overlap. Can you think of an interaction with the magnetic field using these steps? > Any other ideas and/or comments would be welcome. > Ken >Keasy@aol.com > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 18:06:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA31620; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:06:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:06:49 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD Message-Id: <918353193.3202.893@excite.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:06:33 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.182 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Yrecq3.0.yj7.uKFls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8899 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> What I wonder about about is when the frequency is greater than the frequency given by the perfectly timed quarter wavelength value; are there not more electrons in the coil or "transmission line" in oscillation than are actually entering and leaving? Or is this same amount of coulombs magically stretched across the entire distance of the wire even though they would have to travel faster than the speed of light to get there. I dont think I can believe that but a series of echoes makes sense in which case we should come to the conclusion that in this special case more electrons might be oscillating than were being inputed. I was thinking about this in context to the 166,000 hz signal I observed by resonating a 9 mile coil by special means, the predicted quarter wavelength value should have given about 5,000 hz. I am aware that the internal capacitance of this 20,000 wind coil of 23 gauge may be the cause of this high frequency:it must be ringing at its natural resonant frequency which in this case exceeds that of the quarter wavelength value. Any speculations? HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 6 23:27:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA10925; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:26:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:26:48 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990207073401.012b3038@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 02:34:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: UFO's and Anti-gravity: Piece for a Jigsaw Resent-Message-ID: <"8K93y.0.cg2.t0Kls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8900 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi; What page is this demo mentioned on? Regards; Dennis At 08:41 PM 2/5/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Have any of you read "UFO's and Anti-gravity: Piece for a Jigsaw"? > >If so, do you know where to find more info on the C. A. Bjerkness >demonstrations? Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG Circle Of Fire - Dreamland - VR Avatars! Great Fun! http://www.artbellchatclub.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 7 02:52:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA08319; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:51:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:51:59 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: "Evan Soule" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Some interesting discussions(mechanical rectification of 60 hz) Message-Id: <918384705.14813.87@excite.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 02:51:45 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.169 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Vrakv3.0.u12.F1Nls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8901 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan; thanx for the previous info. You know I am investigating a different line of application than that of magnetic motors but I just had a thought that struck me as being useful to Newmans present day efforts. When I built a copper magnetic motor years ago I did not follow newmans parameters but took an entirely practical approach;I simply used rectified ac current from 4 diodes in a full wave rectification arrangement to supply the DC input to the coils. The next step of course was building the commutator which confused me at first since I had never built one before. During the building of this it occured to me that if the commutator ran at 120 revolutions per sec no diodes would be necessary to send this DC 120 pulse/sec into the coil from the AC input. The significance of this had no practical point at that time but now I can see a new application.I have been writing about this binary resonant system and now I have made attempts to rectify the high voltage,high frequency signal that results from this specially placed arc gap. When I used 25 nanosec fast recovery diodes I obtained practically nothing out as DC output. The problem to me would be that these diodes arent switching fast enough since 1/12 of the pulse may appear as a short to the system which on this high inductance model decreases the AC amperage 1800 fold. Then it occured to me that use of two rotary arc gaps(as used in tesla coils to give an option of when the short is supplied in conjunction with the ac waveform)could also be used in this BRS arcgap to empty the stored charge across a load precisely for a limited time period when the caps have reached their maximum voltage, or whatever arrangement is found to work the best in this optional short timing arrangement. More importantly this discharge can be biased in one direction as to appear as a dc pulse with a high freq. BRS signature riding on it by the use of 4 rotary arc gaps in synchony. What this implies is that a high amperage BRS system could be used to power a Newman device by this described mechanical commutation and the best time duration for high frequency pulsing might be tailored according to this method. Since the amperage demands of most newman devices are small the additional resistance of the BRS high amperage system would be of minimal concern. I am currently assembling this kind of arrangement to provide a 700 volt pulse @ maximum 11 amp consumption on open circuit(infinite load) to be used for electrolysizor experiments. G Wiseman uses a capacitor to limit amperage into these units; essentially I hope to use a different technique of using two inductors in 60 hz resonance to limit the amperage into the unit and harnessing a voltage gain in the meantime. Sincerly Harvey D Norris _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 04:26:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA03681; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:26:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:26:26 -0800 Message-ID: <36BED783.6FCD@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:24:36 +0100 From: Jean-Pierre LENTIN Reply-To: jplentin@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Science Frontieres report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bnuF32.0.Kv.nVjls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8902 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Festival Science Frontieres (16th edition) took place January 27-31 1999 in Cavaillon (South of France). Definitely a good year. Record breaking attendance (800 seats big hall always full) and unprecedented media coverage, with all TV networks coming to visit. Science Frontieres’ specifics : it’s open to a large audience (whence the name « festival ») and it’s also a meeting place for conventional and alternative scientists, with lots of tolerance and good vibes on both side. Presenting controversial or alternative ideas in science is only one of the festival’s goals (the others are assessing the impact of recent scientific advances, and discussing present planetary problems - with a strong accent on environment / ecology). Now, here is a brief report of events concerning this list’s topics. Over-unity energy and cold fusion were featured for the first time at the festival and were an « instant hit » ! Jean-Louis Naudin demonstrated the SMOT and a few small motors, gave a SMOT-building course and generally impressed everybody with his precise, unassuming and no-BS approach. Physicist Patrick Cornille presented his theoretical views on « stimulated forces », which might account for over-unity. Cornille has a regular scientific job with state-funded CEA (Atomic Energy Commission), but his theoretical and experimental work on non-conventional electromagnetics is a personal pursuit. As he’s nearing retirement age, he can be expected to work full-time on over-unity in the years to come, and his deep knowledge of physics (as witnessed by his contributions to Szames’ book - see below) will surely be a big asset. Naudin and Cornille seemed highly confident in the future. They recently founded a company, Advanced Electromagnetic Systems, that will soon have its own web page, and Cornille has a huge theoretical paper to be published in a mathematical physics journal. Stay in tune... Jean-Paul Biberian was a big success too. His brand of WoodyAllenesque humor had the audience rolling in laughter. His contract for cold fusion experiments with the Atomic Energy Commission will end in a few months, he’s had many positive, if small scale, results, he has original ideas for new techniques, so he’s definitely hooked and wants to keep on researching CF. Next year he might return to the USA, if work opportunities permit. Don’t miss him if he’s lecturing somewhere ! Biberian was also seen discussing into the wee hours with Science Frontieres’ favorite maverick physicist, Joel Sternheimer, who got a « scientist of the year » prize at the end of the festival. Sternheimer has a patent on a quite revolutionary technology - sound frequencies and melodies that stimulate or inhibit the synthesis of specific proteins, with medical and agricultural applications. As a mathematical physicist, Sternheimer is developing a new twist in quantum theory, where the particle waves are not simply sinusoidal, as in classical QM, but have harmonics too. So he thinks that in CF hydrogen electrons might jump to a lower harmonic, thus achieving fractional quantum states (a la Mills or Vigier), getting closer to the nucleus and gaining energy. Alexandre Szames presented his big fat book (500 pages, 3 years work) on the Biefeld-Brown effect. This 29 years old writer has an impressive scientific culture (puts me to shame, easily !) and did fascinating experimental work with help from Naudin and Cornille. They conclude Biefeld-Brown effect is NOT antigravity, but a crucial proof of the existence of aether (thus invalidating general relativity) and stimulated forces, opening the way to over-unity and new propulsion concepts. Just after the festival Szames flew to USA to participate in NASA’s latest seminar on breakthrough propulsion in Albuquerque. I expect some news from him when he returns. Lastly, another sign that O/U or FE research is gaining ground in France : we finally have a French language web site on these topics, thanks to Jean and Bernadette Soares and their association, Quant’Homme. For years they did a wonderful job translating articles and infos, and now they have a site full of links and references, at http://multimania.com/quanthomme Bye for now. Best regards to all ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 12:34:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA07829; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:33:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:33:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Torsion physics now in use????? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JiAoN1.0.3w1.heqls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8903 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: check out the file fragment below. Weeeeeeird! Should we all buy stock in Pinnacle Oil Int'l. ? :) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1009922/0000944209-98-001577.txt THE SFD SURVEY SYSTEM The SFD Survey System is an integrated modular electronic system comprised of (i) Momentum's proprietary Stress Field Detector, and (ii) various electronic subsystems proprietary to the Company, including a data acquisition system incorporating a global positioning system ("GPS"). The SFD Survey System operates on the theory that subsurface mechanical stresses in rocks and pressure differentials in fluids produce above ground, non-electromagnetic energy patterns (which the Company refers to as a "stress field"), which patterns can be recognized by the Stress Field Detector in the form of a digitized electronic signal (which the Company refers to as a "wave form"). Each type of stress-influenced subsurface condition exhibits a unique or "signature" wave form. The primary component of the Stress Field Detector is the "SFD Sensor," a passive transducer which captures or recognizes these energy patterns. In field operation, the SFD Survey System is flown over a pre-selected survey area (either land or water) in an airplane. During each traverse, the Company's data acquisition system continuously records the changing wave forms from the underlying area captured by the Stress Field Sensor, and the corresponding GPS coordinates associated with each such wave form. Simultaneously, all relevant information including original and processed signal wave forms ("SFD Profiles") are displayed on a monitor in "real time." In addition, the SFD Survey System maintains a database of wave forms collected in a given area, as well as creating a "library" of signatures wave forms of known subsurface conditions for reference purposes. The waveforms from the SFD Profiles are subsequently interpreted, analyzed and compared against the signatures of known viable oil and gas pools, which allows the Company to ascertain the character and scope of the oil and gas accumulations indicated by the wave form being examined. The Company uses the term "SFD Anomaly" to indicate a wave form which varies from the norm and may be associated with hydrocarbon deposits. The Stress Field Detector and its underlying scientific theories are referred to as the "SFD Technology." 7 As noted above, the Company has an exclusive License for the worldwide utilization of the SFD Data for hydrocarbon exploration. Under the terms of the License, Company personnel review and analyze the SFD Profiles for what are termed "SFD Anomalies." SFD Anomalies are deviations and irregularities in the SFD Profile which indicate a subsurface geological deformity, the structural beginning of a subsurface field and/or a hydrocarbon accumulation. If the first traverse of a location generates an SFD Anomaly, second and third traverses of the same location are undertaken, with a different orientation or direction on the subsequent flight or trip. Often these sequential traverses of the site will be perpendicular to, or in the opposite direction from, the original line of travel. In this way multiple SFD Profiles of the same site are generated, from which a Company analyst can (i) verify the original anomaly, (ii) further delineate the edges of the identified deformity, and (iii) evaluate the viability of the prospect. THEORETICAL BASIS Momentum does not possess any patents or other registered intellectual property rights with respect to the SFD Technology, and Momentum does not anticipate that if it were to apply for and receive patent protection, that such patent protection would necessarily protect Momentum and the Company from actual or potential competition. In addition, patent counsel has advised Momentum and the Company (i) that a patent application would inhere unwarranted disclosure risks; and (ii) that the Company's present practices afford common law trade secret protection. For these and other reasons, Momentum will not disclose a comprehensive explanation of the SFD Technology. However, a brief description of the theoretical basis and reasoning which support the technology are set forth below. Abrupt variations in subsurface geology (called "geological deformities") cause stresses to develop in the surrounding rock materials. It is generally known by geologists that when certain materials in the earth's crust (such as single crystals) rupture due to stress, they generate electromotive force as a release mechanism. A premise of the SFD Technology is the theory that prior to such a rupture and the release of electromotive force, there are constant sub- atomic interactions that release non-electromagnetic energy. The SFD Technology is based on the theory that: (i) both mechanical stress in rocks and the pressure differentials in fluids produce non-electromagnetic energy patterns; (ii) that the energy patterns reflect subsurface conditions which are geological and may be hydraulic; and (iii) that the SFD Sensor, a passive transducer which generates a quantum field, captures the interaction of these energy patterns against the field. This interaction is registered by the SFD Sensor as it is moved over major hydrocarbon accumulations, and these energy patterns are converted into electrical signals that are forwarded to the data acquisition system. Several observations support the theory that hydrocarbon accumulations produce the observed energy patterns: 1. THE DETECTED ENERGY PATTERNS ARE NON-ELECTROMAGNETIC. Field tests were conducted with the SFD Sensor both (i) while shielded from electromagnetic forces, and (ii) without such shields. In both cases the SFD Sensor registered no change. When the sensor was subjected to high voltage static, alternating current and/or strong magnetic fields, it did not indicate any changes in operation. In addition, the amplitude of the signal captured by the SFD Sensor decreased as the speed of traverse of the sensor was increased. This is essentially the opposite of what would occur while measuring electromagnetic energy with a conventional magnetometer. 2. THE DETECTED ENERGY PATTERNS ARE BOTH DYNAMIC AND DIRECTIONAL. In field tests over known major faults the SFD Sensor captured energy patterns which were dynamic while the sensor was stationary. In addition, the "radiation" field vectors of the energy patterns showed different magnitudes during the traverse of a known deposit. 3. THE DETECTED ENERGY PATTERNS REFLECTED KNOWN HYDROCARBON ACCUMULATIONS WHERE TECTONIC OR MECHANICAL STRESS SHOULD NOT BE A MAJOR FACTOR. In field tests the SFD Sensor was shown to react to the following known geological and hydraulic phenomenon: . Mechanical forces due to tectonic activity in areas prone to earthquakes; . Sediment loading resulting in faulting and dewatering of sediments; and . Pressure differentials in the subsurface that are caused by different fluid densities. 8 SFD Sensor reactions were observed over faults caused by both tectonic and sedimentary loading, in areas including the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast, the San Andreas fault in California, the lower mainland of British Columbia, and the foothills of Alberta. These observations tend to indicate that the SFD Sensor reacts to mechanical stress in the subsurface. However, in field observations the SFD Sensor was shown to react to known, significant accumulations of hydrocarbons in the subsurface where mechanical and tectonic stress would not be a major factor. In these instances it appears that the SFD Technology reacts to energy patterns caused by pressure differentials in the hydrocarbon accumulations themselves. Experts who have reviewed the SFD Technology have suggested that a possible explanation for these reactions over significant hydrocarbon pools can be obtained by examining the effect a column of gas or oil has on the pressure within a reservoir, and the resulting stress on the surrounding shales. The pressure vs. elevation graph below indicates the effect changes in the relative density of subsurface fluids can have on the pressure within a reservoir at any given depth. LOGO These pressure changes are due to buoyancy forces that develop whenever a fluid of lower density (i.e., oil or gas) is emerged in a fluid of higher density (water.) As the column of oil or gas becomes higher, representing a thicker pay zone, the pressure differential caused by the buoyancy forces of the hydrocarbons vs. the normal hydrostatic pressure of the formation waters will increase. This increase in pressure should cause a corresponding increase in the stress exerted on the rock that contains and confines an oil or gas accumulation, because immediately outside the boundaries of the oil or gas pool, the pressure with the reservoir will be consistent with the normal hydrostatic pressure for the reservoir. This known effect of buoyancy forces that develop due to hydrocarbon columns lends strong support to the theory that pressure differentials in hydrocarbon accumulations produce stress energy patterns which are detected by the SFD Sensor. 9 Based on field evaluations by both Company personnel and third parties, management of the Company believes that the SFD Technology can reliably: . Detect from an altitude of 1,000 feet major oil and gas accumulations, sandstone or limestone/dolomite deposits at depths from 1,000 to at least 12,600 feet. . Detect and discriminate between a wide variety of subsurface geological deformities, including anticlines, faults, fractures, unconformities including reefs, dome structures. Major known faults have been detected at an altitude of 10,000 feet. . Detect structures, faults and hydrocarbon accumulations in shallow waters up to 100 feet in depth. Tests have not yet been conducted over deeper waters. . Determine whether an identified geological trap contains gas, oil, water or no fluid at all. . Indicate whether a basin is shallow or deep. . Indicate the lateral extent and horizon of a reservoir, pool or reef. . Detect and identify large underground water beds, coal deposits and hard rock mineral deposits. . Indicate whether an identified hydrocarbon accumulation has sufficient porosity and permeability to be exploitable. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 12:51:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA21441; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:09 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:47:58 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:50:59 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:41:05 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: RE: Torsion physics now in use???? To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:47:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1926ZXTYMJWYQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;85745180209991/3513804@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"oLn482.0.rE5.yuqls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8904 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All, THE SFD SURVEY SYSTEM This sounds like what Dowsers do, even down to the search pattern. >The SFD Survey System is an integrated modular electronic system comprised >of (i) Momentum's proprietary Stress Field Detector, and (ii) various >electronic subsystems proprietary to the Company, including a data >acquisition system incorporating a global positioning system ("GPS"). The >SFD Survey System operates on the theory that subsurface mechanical >stresses in rocks and pressure differentials in fluids produce above >ground, non-electromagnetic energy patterns (which the Company refers to >as a "stress field"), which patterns can be recognized by the Stress Field >Detector in the form of a digitized electronic signal (which the Company >refers to as a "wave form"). Each type of stress-influenced subsurface >condition exhibits a unique or "signature" wave form. The primary >component of the Stress Field Detector is the "SFD Sensor," a passive >transducer which captures or recognizes these energy patterns. Also speaking of weird, have you ever looked at the bottom of the network routing information. >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Authentication-warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 17:20:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24830; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:20:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:20:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:19:16 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l Subject: RE: Torsion physics now in use???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"80VRH2.0.i36.Druls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8905 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > All, > > THE SFD SURVEY SYSTEM > > This sounds like what Dowsers do, even down to the search pattern. Yes, and the concensus seems to be that "torsion" is the sixth sense. Dowsers would detect the torsion signatures of buried materials. The SFD device would basically be an artificial dowser's brain. > routing information. > > >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >X-Authentication-warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > LOL! It always does that when I use BCC to broadcast to more than one list. EIther that, or the smartlist software is a member of CSICOP?! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 17:25:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA27779; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:25:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:25:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: new list: torsion research Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ep8-t1.0.pn6.yvuls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8906 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm going to turn on the vortex C annex for a semi-permanent Torsion Physics discussion listserver. To everyone: If you are interested in replication of the Vacuum Spin Physics phenomena being reported by researchers in Russia, then subscribe yourself to vortexC: Send a blank message to vortexC-L-request@eskimo.com Place the word "subscribe" in the subject line of that message. You will receive a welcome/instructions message in response. Thereafter, send your messages to the whole group by sending them to vortexC-L@eskimo.com One Russian research group is currently subscribed. The topic is the use of tungsten wire as a torsion-field detector. (Not so easy, since an intense torsion field only causes 1PPM resistance changes.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 22:49:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA16077; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:49:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:49:27 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <4a37bb0c.36bfda44@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:48:36 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Torsion physics now in use???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"5Ch2a1.0.1x3.rfzls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8907 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-02-08 20:26:30 EST, you write: > >Yes, and the concensus seems to be that "torsion" is the sixth sense. >Dowsers would detect the torsion signatures of buried materials. The SFD >device would basically be an artificial dowser's brain. Possibly, dowsers are abnormally sensitive to their devices' interactions with the several billion magnetite crystals that are part of the brain's natural makeup. --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 8 22:49:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA16148; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:49:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:49:37 -0800 From: UNIR2B1NM@aol.com Message-ID: <256a5225.36bfda43@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:48:35 EST To: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Torsion physics now in use???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"iK7po2.0.4y3.1gzls"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8908 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-02-08 16:06:02 EST, you write: >This sounds like what Dowsers do, even down to the search pattern. My impression, exactly! > the SFD Sensor, a passive >transducer which generates a quantum field, captures the interaction of >these [NON-EM] energy patterns against the field. So, is this sensor a "radionic" device? Could it be used to detect and quantify the "mortality frequencies" of disease organisms, or the vibratory "signatures" of minerals, or the "auras" of people & plants? --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 10 17:03:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12907; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:03:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:03:23 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQRapxCTdlUeJEJ4veqNqkDj8bciAIUA720Z/4K0njN7s1XeIUG0Dj502Y= From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:03:20 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Test Message-ID: <15114-36C22C58-891@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"WIqrw3.0.Z93.QnYms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8909 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 10 19:17:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA11174; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:17:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:17:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000601be556c$8ffffda0$d3b8aad0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: Subject: Re: Test Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:13:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"0pXCk1.0.Rk2.9lams"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8910 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: R B To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 8:14 PM Subject: Test Test Okay--RAD From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 10 19:30:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA17196; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:30:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: <002701be556e$c4fe0d60$98ec060c@dlackey> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: UFO's and Anti-gravity: Piece for a Jigsaw Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:29:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"22Zz23.0.bC4.Gxams"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi; > > >What page is this demo mentioned on? > > >Regards; >Dennis Page 69 in the Adven. Unlimited edition. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 02:29:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA20871; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:29:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:29:02 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <1d824f13.36c2b0ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:28:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: free energy websites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"6owK51.0.x55.j3hms"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8912 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here is my free energy collection links for you, took me a while to locate all these locations over the period of maybe two years. 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Please reply, I can not post anymore.. Thanks ! -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 05:24:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA27133; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:24:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:24:34 -0800 Message-ID: <36C2DAD3.24695D48@harti.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:27:47 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Telephone number from George Hathaway ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gvj2h1.0.nd6.Iejms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8914 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, does anybody have the telephone number from George Hathaway in Toronto/Canada ? I visited him in 1987, but lost his phone number. A few guys at our university are building now in this moment a Coler converter and George Hathaway had also tried to do this. We still want to ask him a few questions. Please email me privately. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 06:42:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA24548; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:41:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:41:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19990211144146.9947.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Test To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7YkrP2.0.M_5.gmkms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8915 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Read you load and clear -- over. How the Newman tests coming along? Dead issue, or anything new? ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Is this going through ? > > Please reply, I can not post anymore.. > Thanks ! > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 07:47:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA09179; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:46:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:46:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36C2FB94.4E932D26@harti.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:47:32 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Test References: <19990211144146.9947.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3vNzi2.0.5F2.Wjlms"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8916 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Anton Rager wrote: > > Read you load and clear -- over. Thanks ! > > How the Newman tests coming along? Dead issue, or anything new? Still have a lot other work to do... Don´t have much tim ein this moment. Hope to be back soon on the lab table. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 15:58:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12189; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:58:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:58:12 -0800 (PST) Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <000901be550d$bef4c280$448f19d4@xxx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?=" To: Subject: HERE AGAIN Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:55:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5516.1E1B4E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cirz81.0.M-2.Hwsms"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8917 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5516.1E1B4E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 My page is already on (seems problems with my server ended). Sorry, no = updates at this time.=20 I remember a guy asking about a Coler device picture some days ago. I = have a better picture in my page.=20 Vicente. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5516.1E1B4E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
My page is already on (seems = problems with my=20 server ended). Sorry, no updates at this time.
I remember a guy asking about a = Coler device=20 picture some days ago. I have a better picture in my page.
Vicente.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5516.1E1B4E20-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 18:37:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA32386; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:37:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:37:25 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: HERE AGAIN Message-Id: <918787021.8152.74@excite.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:37:01 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.87 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"TLJ3V3.0.ov7.ZFvms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8918 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:55:09 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?= wrote: > Hi all,=20 > My page is already on (seems problems with my server ended). Sorry, no = > updates at this time.=20 > I remember a guy asking about a Coler device picture some days ago. I = > have a better picture in my page.=20 > Vicente. > >>Remember the character known as Adam in tele. series "Northern Exposure"?Oftentimes something snaps inside myself and I feel like this character and at this point in time I thought it might be therauputic for me to respond as if I were Adam himself in this make pretend scenario. Adam: Geez Vicente I didnt know you had those good pictures. And of this Hans Coler auch? Now if I were Dr Fleishman I would be jealous. Where are these supposed pictures? Did you list a website? Or do you work in historical records with no knowledge? Perhaps you should be scrutinized by the appropriate government agencies. Only a joke; HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 20:07:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA07444; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:07:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:07:31 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Synchronious AC Motors Message-Id: <918792442.3210.400@excite.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:07:22 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.87 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"jphvi2.0.Dq1.2awms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8919 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I never realised that these motors could be so expensive; they have to be used in a rotary arc gap set up as used in the old high frequency tesla primaries in which the conduction pulse from the transformer excites a tank circuit of parallel resonance on and off ideally timed to recieve a new impulse according to its means in a communist fashion. Now every electrical scientist in the world might protest my description of this but let me answer this first by a simple question; have we not been taught that conduction of electrons follows the path of least resistance and impedance? I have proposed and shown a circuit in which the opposite effect occurs every time across the midpoints of two opposite series resonant phases in which current is given the choices of maximum and minimum according to branch flow and the minimum current is always chosen.When the appropriate load is chosen across this path the binary resonant action can act as a higher than input voltage source similar to that of a transformer to drive a limited source of electrons accordingly.Also an arc gap condition can be made to cause a unique oscillation between resonances in which a very high harmonic frequency tends to dominate. I undoubtably am the first in the world to observe that this arc condition itself comes to an end after some hours of operation as if the vacuum itself will not supply free electrons. This caused me to wonder about the fact that the frequency of oscillation dictates that many echoes are established before the end connection acts as a shorting action to the initial impulse. In that small time period these high voltage effects act according to usual principles which then dictates the fooling of mother nature may be possible under these conditions. That is my theory of faster than light electrons which do occur: in fact someone should investigate their actual density per travel lines. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 11 20:40:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA20104; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:40:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:40:25 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Slip Ratio Message-Id: <918794400.985.522@excite.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:40:00 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.87 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ix3x61.0._v4.u2xms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8920 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I thought it would be fun for the group to see what would happen if mechanical commutation of 60 hz AC to DC was attempted at 3450 rpm as listed on my 220 v motor. This commutation serves to deliver a dc pulse in one direction in a 12 minute cycle and opposite in the next 12 minutes. If the rotary gap could be moved one revolution during these 24 minutes the added costs of using a synchronious motor might be circumvented and the desired arc position continually maintained for these kind of applications.HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 12 00:10:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA23117; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:10:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:10:32 -0800 Message-ID: <36C3E2BB.AD863D8E@harti.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:13:47 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: Coler device picture References: <000901be550d$bef4c280$448f19d4@xxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GsdXW.0.6f5.u7-ms"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8921 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Vicente José Ramos Orenga wrote: > > Hi all, > My page is already on (seems problems with my server ended). Sorry, no > updates at this time. > I remember a guy asking about a Coler device picture some days ago. I > have a better picture in my page. > Vicente. > Yes, it is at: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/magnetst.htm Does anybody have the telephone number of George Hathaway, living in Toronto, Canada ? I visited him in 1987 and still want to ask him a few questions about this device, cause some people at our local university are just rebuilding a Coler converter and asked me to contact him again. Regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 12 06:21:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA00909; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:21:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:21:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:20:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Reply-To: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" To: doelle Cc: aquaponics@townsqr.com, GreenBuilding Listserver , iaq@onelist.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, thomil@bioelectrifier.com Subject: Water Treatment In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990212155734.006c5560@ozemail.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xOdx2.0.yD.RZ3ns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8922 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You said:"Ozone is certainly very effective, whereas one has to be careful with UV, since UV can result in 'changed or mutated ' pathogens. For your purpose, however, uv certainly will help. In comparing both methods I think that ozone is more effective. However, I have not done a comparative experiments. I am a bit suspicious about using UV, the reason of which is simply that we used to use UV for producing mutants." __________________________________________________________________________ Horst or anyone: If UV can mutate pathogens, what serious side effects could ozone have in the treatment of drinking water (from the roof). UV is rated for flow rates and therefore what happens to water and the pathogens in a stagnant situation (no flow) which may happen for many hours of each day? I know that the water gets warm, and each of my 2 27-watt lamps (the other one for the reuse water system) uses 237 kWh/year. That represents 28% of total electrical use for home and office. To reduce energy consumption, to use energy more wisely and to increase the effectiveness of treatment, I am thinking of trying either standard ozone treatment or a bioelectrifier.Comments are welcomed. Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 12 12:05:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA12914; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:04:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:04:41 -0800 Message-ID: <36C489EC.144D4AD2@harti.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:07:08 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , "Robert J. Burkholder" , Free Energy Subject: Re: Capacitor warning References: <199902121852.NAA11090@rjbpc.eng.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W4iVc2.0.Z93.Ob8ns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8923 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "Robert J. Burkholder" wrote: > > As has been expressed by Stefan Hartman before on this list, it is probable > that using capacitors to quell the commutator arcing in a Newman machine will > destroy the OU effect. His experiments showed that a backward flowing current > spike was only present when there was a sufficiently bright spark, accompanied > by a hissing sound. But there is another reason to avoid placing a capacitor > in parallel with the coil. If the capacitor voltage is lower than the battery > voltage when the commutator is closed, a large current will flow from the > battery to the capacitor very quickly. This stores some energy in the > capacitor, but the problem is that the batteries could become drained very > quickly because more current will be drawn by the capacitor than by the coil. > Yes, that is indeed the case and that also discharges( drains down) the battery relatively quick ! This happened, when I used a 10 mikroFarad capacitor accross my 170 Henry coil. > However, it may be possible that the capacitor does not draw extra current > from the battery if it is somehow charged by the motor/generator to a voltage > level that is higher than the battery. In that case current would flow from > the capacitor back into the battery! Yes, that is the case, when the capacitor is small enough, e.g. a few NanoFarad ! > Whichever is the case, it is important to monitor the battery current on an > oscilloscope to make sure that there are no FORWARD current spikes which > indicate capacitor charging. These spikes were clearly visible when I tested > my motor with a capacitor, and were not visible without the capacitor. Of > course if you see NEGATIVE current spikes the capacitor is discharging to the > battery (thus charging the battery), and that would be a good thing! Yes, it also depends hugely, how much capacitance the coil itsself has got ! In Newman´s first big motor the coil had probably alone already around 100 NanoFrard or more ! MAybe there was a resonance between coil resonance frequency and rotating magnet frequency ! With my coil, I cannot get any coil resonance ringing , the DC resistance is too big with about 17 Kohm ! Hope this helps to clear it up. Regards, Stefan. > > -RJB -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 12 16:15:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23129; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:14:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:14:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001401be55b6$11b906e0$618c19d4@xxx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?=" To: , , "Newman-L Mailing List" Subject: RE: Coler device picture Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:59:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7JUhy2.0.ue5.kFCns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8924 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stephan Sorry , but I don't know George telephone number. Vicente. -----Mensaje original----- De: Stefan Hartmann Para: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; Newman-L Mailing List Fecha: viernes, 12 de febrero de 1999 9:10 Asunto: Re: Coler device picture >> Vicente José Ramos Orenga wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> My page is already on (seems problems with my server ended). Sorry, no >> updates at this time. >> I remember a guy asking about a Coler device picture some days ago. I >> have a better picture in my page. >> Vicente. >> > >Yes, it is at: > >http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/magnetst.htm > >Does anybody have the telephone number of George Hathaway, >living in Toronto, Canada ? > >I visited him in 1987 and still want to ask him a few questions >about this >device, >cause some people at our local university are just rebuilding a Coler >converter >and asked me to contact him again. > > >Regards, Stefan Hartmann. > >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 12 23:43:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA01088; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:42:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:42:26 -0800 Message-ID: <00a601be5724$f79db6a0$ab7e3cd1@default> From: "Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: , Cc: , Subject: Electro-Medicine, GEET Techn, Free Energy Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:46:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"d8bsx2.0.vG.YpIns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8925 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey Guys (Gals)... Here's a site that may interest you http://www.zpfilms.com Robin V. Dye VisionQuest Productions robindye@doitnow.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 12 23:50:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA03890; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:50:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:50:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:49:28 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: RQM Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199902130249_MC2-6A5B-C380@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA03873 Resent-Message-ID: <"dFU-R3.0.hy.pwIns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8926 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Back in January, while the Joseph Newman controversy was in high gear, there was a little disscussion about a device called RQM. Has anyone found out any more? Keith, did you confirm that the "Matrijoschka" principle is a reference to the popular Russian round doles, with one inside another? I looked all over the JNL web site and could not find any reference to RQM. Where did you find it? Which pattent server gave you the real service? I have often wondered if magnetostriction might play a key role in the production (or convertion) of free energy. R.G. >Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:12:51 -0500 >From: Keith Nagel >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: RQM? >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990103141249.00c95e90@cnct.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi folks. > >Remember RQM? JLN has a pretty substantial chunk of their material >at his site. More exists @ www.rqm.com. I don't >know what to make of it; slick presentation but lacking >in substantive details. However, the patent for the >device can be found here > >http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf > >in pdf form. Any comments from the peanut gallery? > >K. > >Additional info: > >The correct address is http://www.rqm.ch. > >For relatively recent US patents (last 20 years or so) use: >http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/srchnum.htm > >Swiss Patent No. CH 687 428 A5 >granted Nov 29,1996 >Title of patent (according to RQM's website): "Device and Procedure for >the Generation of Electromagnetic Pulses". > >http://www.cleanenergy.com > >Far and away the best patent site is >http://www.patents.ibm.com/patquery.html > >http://www.patents.ibm.com/ibm.html > >Martin Schmid > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:18:37 -0500 >From: Keith Nagel >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990105211835.00ca5780@cnct.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi. > >Well, I'm looking at it (the patent) now. > >5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all >concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material >surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high >permittivity dielectric between each coil. The whole thing >is driven by a controller; which seeks to avoid destructive >parametric resonance within the structure. > >Appparently, under certain oscillatory regimes the device produces >additional energy. The patent of course does not address >this; does this surprise you? :^) > >I do beg to differ with Ron. The patent described the >device in a reasonable fashion, although in the run of >things I have certainly seen chattier patents. > >One thing was referred to several times, that being >the "Matrijoschka" principle? I am ignorant of this, >perhaps one of you are familiar with this term? >I believe it refers to the nesting arrangement of >the coils; but there must be more. > >On first blush I am reminded of the MRA, in that >the ferromagnetic material is being excited to mechanical >oscillation. But the patent is not for a "free energy" >machine, so my apologies to you folks who don't like the >mundane.... > >K. > >Additional Info: > >I believe it refers to the popular Russian round doles! >It starts with a big one, you lift it and uncover another one >looking the same but smaller. Lift this one and another one >smaller is inside. It keeps going like this. >The largest I saw was about 2 feet tall for the >largest one, with the smallest one approx 3 inches. > >From: Keith Nagel >Well damn, two of my employees are Russian. I'll have to >ask them tomorrow and report back. > >http://www.ieent.org/ > >------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 13 05:39:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA14306; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 05:39:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 05:39:48 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:39:01 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions Cc: jplentin@club-internet.fr, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net, vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electro-Medicine, GEET Techn, Free Energy In-Reply-To: <00a601be5724$f79db6a0$ab7e3cd1@default> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dl6bH.0.MV3.Z2Ons"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8927 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has anyone had practical experience with any of the GEET pruducts, especially the generator? Will it run on 100% water. Jorg ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 13 08:20:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA19164; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:20:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:20:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990213112900.00e8da80@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:29:02 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: RQM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Lt4sF3.0.Eh4._OQns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8928 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi. Yup, I put it to them and after some debate, they agreed on the nested doll interpretation. You've got to understand that it's a bit like taking a chinese ideogram and making an english word out of it; hence the debate. As for JNL, try this for starters. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qedynmnu.htm Check out the hooper-monstein stuff at the bottom. He has more somewhere, but maybe there was a falling out somewhere? I don't know. I happened upon the patent at the URL I posted, don't know if you can get it from IBM's Patent womplex. They have expanded their collection to include some foriegn material. You should email RQM for more info, post the results :^) K. At 02:49 AM 2/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Back in January, while the Joseph Newman controversy was in high >gear, there was a little disscussion about a device called RQM. > >Has anyone found out any more? > >Keith, did you confirm that the "Matrijoschka" principle is a >reference to the popular Russian round doles, with one inside >another? > >I looked all over the JNL web site and could not find any >reference to RQM. Where did you find it? > >Which pattent server gave you the real service? > >I have often wondered if magnetostriction might play a key role >in the production (or convertion) of free energy. > >R.G. > >>Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:12:51 -0500 >>From: Keith Nagel >>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>Subject: RQM? >>Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990103141249.00c95e90@cnct.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Hi folks. >> >>Remember RQM? JLN has a pretty substantial chunk of their material >>at his site. More exists @ www.rqm.com. I don't >>know what to make of it; slick presentation but lacking >>in substantive details. However, the patent for the >>device can be found here >> >>http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf >> >>in pdf form. Any comments from the peanut gallery? >> >>K. >> >>Additional info: >> >>The correct address is http://www.rqm.ch. >> >>For relatively recent US patents (last 20 years or so) use: >>http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/srchnum.htm >> >>Swiss Patent No. CH 687 428 A5 >>granted Nov 29,1996 >>Title of patent (according to RQM's website): "Device and Procedure for >>the Generation of Electromagnetic Pulses". >> >>http://www.cleanenergy.com >> >>Far and away the best patent site is >>http://www.patents.ibm.com/patquery.html >> >>http://www.patents.ibm.com/ibm.html >> >>Martin Schmid >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:18:37 -0500 >>From: Keith Nagel >>To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >>Subject: Re: Patent .....Re: PatentRe: RQM? >>Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990105211835.00ca5780@cnct.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Hi. >> >>Well, I'm looking at it (the patent) now. >> >>5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all >>concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material >>surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high >>permittivity dielectric between each coil. The whole thing >>is driven by a controller; which seeks to avoid destructive >>parametric resonance within the structure. >> >>Appparently, under certain oscillatory regimes the device produces >>additional energy. The patent of course does not address >>this; does this surprise you? :^) >> >>I do beg to differ with Ron. The patent described the >>device in a reasonable fashion, although in the run of >>things I have certainly seen chattier patents. >> >>One thing was referred to several times, that being >>the "Matrijoschka" principle? I am ignorant of this, >>perhaps one of you are familiar with this term? >>I believe it refers to the nesting arrangement of >>the coils; but there must be more. >> >>On first blush I am reminded of the MRA, in that >>the ferromagnetic material is being excited to mechanical >>oscillation. But the patent is not for a "free energy" >>machine, so my apologies to you folks who don't like the >>mundane.... >> >>K. >> >>Additional Info: >> >>I believe it refers to the popular Russian round doles! >>It starts with a big one, you lift it and uncover another one >>looking the same but smaller. Lift this one and another one >>smaller is inside. It keeps going like this. >>The largest I saw was about 2 feet tall for the >>largest one, with the smallest one approx 3 inches. >> >>From: Keith Nagel >>Well damn, two of my employees are Russian. I'll have to >>ask them tomorrow and report back. >> >>http://www.ieent.org/ >> >>------------------------------ > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 13 11:20:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA06033; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:20:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:20:06 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Bob Lazaar. Message-Id: <918933588.17497.853@excite.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:19:48 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.89 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Nxymq1.0.9U1.c1Tns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8929 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have some most unusual information for the group. Our family is somewhat involved in patriotic activities and our friend had just established a website entitled "Insurrection in New York" http://www.angelfire.com/oh/squib/index.html Van happened to visit the house today and I asked him about a link on his page to the AFPN. I was most amazed to find a semi-sensible Montauk file. Somehow the subject switched to Bob Lazaar and Van said he had met the guy and personally knows him. He belongs to the Western Pyrotechnic Ass (WPA) He says the western winterblast is going on right now at Lake Havasu, Ariz. I told Van that this must a different B. Lazaar,but he swears it is the same Bob Lazaar that worked at area 51. Van says just go to the desert blast site; its all there. Apparently Bobs knowledge of element 114 expands further than his normal explosive activities HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 13 16:52:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA00166; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:52:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:52:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199902140051.TAA14716@mail.enter.net> From: "David Rosignoli" Organization: Enter.Net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:34:21 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ITS status & Exotic Research Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19990213112900.00e8da80@cnct.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"DePcA3.0.V2.ouXns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8930 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Some of you might be interested in knowing the status of the International Tesla Society (ITS). I went to their website: http://www.tesla.org/ and saw a comment about bankrupcy. I tried their phone number and received a disconnected number. I really wanted to order some electrostatics books from there. If you go to the above URL, you'll find a letter from Steve Elswick about ITS dissolving, and having Exotic Research http://www.exoticresearch.com/ essentially do all the functions that ITS used to do. It's unfortunate aboute ITS, but it looks as if ER is doing a great job. ------------------- David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." - Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 13 19:20:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA06775; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:20:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:20:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be57c9$9113f5c0$0c2bd3cf@default> From: "Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: Subject: Re: ITS status & Exotic Research Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:24:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"1cYWv.0.mf1.E4ans"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8931 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Just a further update on the subject... J.W. McGinnis, past President of the International Tesla Society has gone off onto his own to promote inventors such as: Dr. Thomas Levy Peter Kulish Don Smith Forest Pittman Mark Richards Don Martin Dr. Sonne Ward & Christopher Wodtke He will be holding a conference/workshop with the above speakers in D.C. (4/2 - 4/4) under the new name of "The International Tesla Institute" For further information call (719) 632-4327 Steve Elswick is also putting together a great line-up for his conference the end of March. See details below (direct forward from Steve himself) Robin Dye VisionQuest Productions robindye@doitnow.com forward from Steve Elswick: SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!! See WORKING ANTIGRAVITY DEVICES! Discover an ENGINE THAT RUNS ON MOUNTAIN DEW!! Weld metal to glass with BROWN'S GAS! Watch STIRLING ENGINES at work! POWER your house with ENERGY FROM AIR! Put suppressed ELECTROMEDICINE to the test! Movement can be retored in quadrapalegics! It's all HAPPENING at the SEATTLE EXOTIC RESEARCH CONFERENCE March 25-28. http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm This is EXTREME SCIENCE that is for REAL! Some people believe that this information should be suppressed... BUT Exotic Research makes it available!!!!!! LAST CHANCE to get the 20% member discount for this exciting 21ST CENTURY SCIENCE CONFERENCE. REGISTER NOW (24 hours/day) at: (800) 417-6399 (520) 424-3581 (Steve Elswick) http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm MEET the great inventors/researchers like Paul Pantone, Brian David Andersen, George Wiseman, Bruce Perreault, Tom Valone and many others...with WORKING DEVICES DEMONSTRATED. Be there and get get to inspect the UP CLOSE! Spend the evening discussing it with the inventor... Sign up today... Check website for complete program. http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm Become an Exotic Researcher TODAY and get our magazine with the information too HOT for 60 Minutes and mainstream news! WE'RE THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN SCIENCE!!! CONFERENCE PROGRAM...... THURSDAY · March 25 Session 1 - Modern Health 7:00PM: Ron Waling, NMD - Heart Guard.. Your First Line of Defense! 9:00PM: Wine & Cheese FRIDAY · March 26 Session 2 (Morning) • Alternative Medical Technology 8:00AM: Dan Kunkel - Bio-Resonance Sound Therapy 9:00AM: James Bare, DC - Resonance Frequency Therapy... Comes of Age 10:00AM: Eleanor Rigler-Thai Gibbs, MS - Neuro-Kinesthetics... Hope for Paralysis > Session 3 (Afternoon) • Modern Health Hazards and Solutions 1:00PM: Steve Ammerman - TTL - Secret Soviet Performance Enhancer!!! 2:00PM: Roger Sears - The Secret of Negative Ions 3:00PM: Joseph Bender - Water... The Exotic Material 4:00PM: Walter Rawls. PhD - Prospects for Our Magnetic Future Session 4 (Evening) --- Health and Energy 7:00PM: Brian David Andersen - Harmonic Elements and the Quantum Disk 9:00PM: Wine & Cheese SATURDAY · March 27 Session 5 (Morning) • Antigravity Concepts & Reality 8:00AM: Tom Valone - Electrogravitics... 21st Century Propulsion 9:00AM: Dan LaRochelle - David Hamel Technology... the poor man's Searl device 10:00AM: Rick Todish - Working Model of an Ionic Propulsion Antigravity Craft Session 6 (Afternoon) • Advanced Energy Concepts 1:00PM: Bill Beaty, BSEE - How Electricity REALLY Works! 2:00PM: Bruce Perreault - The "Nu" Generation of Radiant Energy Devices 3:00PM: Jeffery Hayes - Tesla Turbines... The Nest Generation! 4:00PM: George Wiseman - Brown's Gas... Key to a Hydrogen Economy! Session 7 (Evening) --- Keys to the 21st Century 7:00PM: Don Isaac, Jr. - The Stirling Engine... Revival of a "Forgotten" Technology 9pm-???: Wine & Cheese SUNDAY · March 28 Session 8 (Morning) • Exotic Technology Concepts 8:00AM: GEET Research Parade of Inventions - 3-hour live preview of various inventors WORKSHOP THURSDAY · March 25 9:00AM: Brian David Andersen - Rhythms of Nature Workshop 1:00PM: Bruce Perreault - Radiant Energy Workshop SUNDAY · March 28 1:00PM: Paul Pantone - Incredible World of GEET Technology Workshop -----Original Message----- From: David Rosignoli To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 5:54 PM Subject: ITS status & Exotic Research Some of you might be interested in knowing the status of the International Tesla Society (ITS). I went to their website: http://www.tesla.org/ and saw a comment about bankrupcy. I tried their phone number and received a disconnected number. I really wanted to order some electrostatics books from there. If you go to the above URL, you'll find a letter from Steve Elswick about ITS dissolving, and having Exotic Research http://www.exoticresearch.com/ essentially do all the functions that ITS used to do. It's unfortunate aboute ITS, but it looks as if ER is doing a great job. ------------------- David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." - Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 14 10:07:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA21315; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:07:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:07:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990214095544.239f2434@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:55:44 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: EM ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rC1tX3.0.uC5.j3nns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8932 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Paul and all, >At 10:39 PM 1/13/99 -0600, Paul wrote: >>Many of the participants of the list most likely have a copy of "The >>Homopolar Handbook" by Thomas Valone. I would like to call to your >>attention a comparison between linear and rotational motion as it would >>apply to electromagnetic induction on page 6-41. (original version) Assume >>that the uniform magnetic field is replaced with a field that is excited by >>a sinusoidal source. Is it possible that there might be some differences in >> the results that are described by the Figure 9 table? Would an emf be >>generated for movement of the magnetic field with a stationary conductor >>bar, contrary to the results obtained in the case of a uniform field? If >>so, it is reasonable to assume that it would be a sinusoidal waveform and >>that the voltage would be a funcion of the magnitude and velocity of the >>translating B-field? >> >>Would be intersted >>if anyone have given this any thought or know of any experimental data >>available for this example? I just received my copy of the Homopolar Handbook (First edition, Oct. 1994) and these are on pages 88-89. Am not sure yet if I agree with the differences between linear and rotary motion. I do not think "special relativity" applies. One has to remember that the rest of the circuit can have an induced (and opposite) voltage induced. I don't think one can distinguish between an emf and a voltage in his tests. He also found this with his cup collectors where he had part of a cylinder machine, and the B field "lines" had to return somewhere. The book has some interesting topics like are there "lines" when a magnet is rotated, as well as the "effective E field" which has the V cross B term. I had also done some of the experiments which he described, using disk speaker magnets for the magnetic fields. I am also looking for more differences between "flux cutting" and "flux linking" induction. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 14 15:19:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA01793; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:19:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:19:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199902142318.SAA02133@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:17:49 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AVU6e2.0.wR.ddrns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8933 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI all, I am just watching a TLC document. They are talking about immense fire storms that are virtually unstoppable. With all our modern technology, we cannot even fight with a mere fire storm. All we have built are small fire trucks, small fire helicopters and small CL-215 fire airplanes. I say it's time we build HUGE, IMMENSE cargo airplanes that will be ENTIRELY filled with water or frozen CO2 and build a lot of them. Then, when there is a huge fire, a few planes would drop their cargo and end the fire quickly. Or why don't they do this: 1) Build an entire hose system to constantly moist the forrest and bushes 2) periodically remove dead branches and trees so that the forrest won't accumulate fuel. that way we would preserve our forrests and prevent fires. what do you think Best Regards, Patrick Tremblay ---------- > De : Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions > A : freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Objet : Re: ITS status & Exotic Research > Date : 13 février, 1999 21:24 > > Just a further update on the subject... > > J.W. McGinnis, past President of the International Tesla Society has gone > off onto his own to promote inventors such as: > > Dr. Thomas Levy > Peter Kulish > Don Smith > Forest Pittman > Mark Richards > Don Martin > Dr. Sonne Ward > & Christopher Wodtke > > He will be holding a conference/workshop with the above speakers in D.C. > (4/2 - 4/4) under the new name of "The International Tesla Institute" For > further information call (719) 632-4327 > > Steve Elswick is also putting together a great line-up for his conference > the end of March. See details below (direct forward from Steve himself) > > Robin Dye > VisionQuest Productions > robindye@doitnow.com > > > forward from Steve Elswick: > > SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!! See WORKING ANTIGRAVITY DEVICES! Discover > an ENGINE THAT RUNS ON MOUNTAIN DEW!! Weld metal to glass with > BROWN'S GAS! Watch STIRLING ENGINES at work! POWER your house with > ENERGY FROM AIR! Put suppressed ELECTROMEDICINE to the test! 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PhD - Prospects for Our Magnetic Future > > Session 4 (Evening) --- Health and Energy > 7:00PM: Brian David Andersen - Harmonic Elements and the Quantum Disk > 9:00PM: Wine & Cheese > > SATURDAY · March 27 > Session 5 (Morning) • Antigravity Concepts & Reality > 8:00AM: Tom Valone - Electrogravitics... 21st Century Propulsion > 9:00AM: Dan LaRochelle - David Hamel Technology... the poor man's Searl > device > 10:00AM: Rick Todish - Working Model of an Ionic Propulsion Antigravity > Craft > > Session 6 (Afternoon) • Advanced Energy Concepts > 1:00PM: Bill Beaty, BSEE - How Electricity REALLY Works! > 2:00PM: Bruce Perreault - The "Nu" Generation of Radiant Energy Devices > 3:00PM: Jeffery Hayes - Tesla Turbines... The Nest Generation! > 4:00PM: George Wiseman - Brown's Gas... Key to a Hydrogen Economy! > > Session 7 (Evening) --- Keys to the 21st Century > 7:00PM: Don Isaac, Jr. - The Stirling Engine... Revival of a > "Forgotten" Technology > 9pm-???: Wine & Cheese > > SUNDAY · March 28 > Session 8 (Morning) • Exotic Technology Concepts > 8:00AM: GEET Research Parade of Inventions - 3-hour live preview of > various inventors > > > WORKSHOP > THURSDAY · March 25 > 9:00AM: Brian David Andersen - Rhythms of Nature Workshop > 1:00PM: Bruce Perreault - Radiant Energy Workshop > > SUNDAY · March 28 > 1:00PM: Paul Pantone - Incredible World of GEET Technology Workshop > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Rosignoli > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 5:54 PM > Subject: ITS status & Exotic Research > > > Some of you might be interested in knowing the status of the > International Tesla Society (ITS). I went to their website: > http://www.tesla.org/ > and saw a comment about bankrupcy. I tried their phone number and > received a disconnected number. I really wanted to order some > electrostatics books from there. > > If you go to the above URL, you'll > find a letter from Steve Elswick about ITS dissolving, and having > Exotic Research > http://www.exoticresearch.com/ > essentially do all the functions that ITS used to do. > It's unfortunate aboute ITS, but it looks as if ER is doing a great > job. > > > ------------------- > David Rosignoli > drdaveor@enter.net > > > "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." - Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 14 16:16:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23906; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:16:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:16:22 -0800 Message-ID: <36C79146.7890@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:15:18 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic References: <199902142318.SAA02133@express.globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aHVhf3.0.4r5.KTsns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8934 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Tremblay wrote: > > HI all, > > I am just watching a TLC document. They are talking about immense fire > storms that are virtually unstoppable. > > With all our modern technology, we cannot even fight with a mere fire > storm. > > All we have built are small fire trucks, small fire helicopters and small > CL-215 fire airplanes. > > I say it's time we build HUGE, IMMENSE cargo airplanes that will be > ENTIRELY filled with water or frozen CO2 and build a lot of them. Then, > when there is a huge fire, a few planes would drop their cargo and end the > fire quickly. > > Or why don't they do this: > > 1) Build an entire hose system to constantly moist the forrest and bushes > > 2) periodically remove dead branches and trees so that the forrest won't > accumulate fuel. > > that way we would preserve our forrests and prevent fires. > > what do you think I thought that the fires were an important part of the natural cycle? Isn't it true that after an area is burnt out, it's new growth thrives? I've heard that some trees need major fires to reproduce, and their seeds must be scorched in order to germinate. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 14 19:30:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08936; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:29:54 -0800 From: dtmiller@nevia.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:30:27 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@nevia.net Message-ID: <36c77584.195498590@mail.nevia.net> References: <199902142318.SAA02133@express.globetrotter.net> In-Reply-To: <199902142318.SAA02133@express.globetrotter.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA08912 Resent-Message-ID: <"IPdyE2.0.XB2.nIvns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8935 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Patrick, Good Lord. Where are you located? I'm not sure you have a good idea of the size of the forests in North America (or Asia, South America, etc.) On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:17:49 -0600, "Patrick Tremblay" wrote: >1) Build an entire hose system to constantly moist the forrest and bushes You'd need 1/2 million MILES of hose for each 100 mile square (10,000 sq. miles) of forest land. So, I'm guessing that you'd need between 10 million and 30 million miles of hose/pipe for North America. >2) periodically remove dead branches and trees so that the forrest won't >accumulate fuel. I don't think the population of North America is big enough to do the job, if everyone worked at it full time. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 14 23:02:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA00981; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:02:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:02:30 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <9733deba.36c7c63a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:01:14 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Article:How to re-visit your past lives and see in to the future Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"wSjX_.0.EF.5Qyns"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8936 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This article appeared recently in a popular tabloid. Millions of people are now reading this type of content, from time to time, both inbooks and in magazines. Particurlarly interesting I found the conclusion: "This case, and hundreds of others like it, proves that you and I will live again, and again, learning and growing from each of our lives. "Eventually we'll reach a state when we are one with the universe - and with immortal God" A quite impressive summary of the purpose of life - including the Ascension. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Very interesting subject, I think using this method one can visit his or hers future before arrive there physically. Mehmet.>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HOW TO RE-VISIT YOUR PAST LIVES AND SEE IN TO THE FUTURE WHOLE CHAPTERS of the blockbuster government report reveal how you can re-live past lives and even see into the future! Chapter Five (Regressions) contains a step-by-step program you can try for yourself in your own home. The theme is revisited in Chapter Eight, under the heading How To See Into Your Future Lives (Progressions). In both cases, government investigators ad- vise the use of a qualified therapist or hypnotist who specializes in recall - but you can relive parts of your own past and future by using this simple method: 1. Do some mild exercise like walking for 20 minutes, followed by a warm shower. 2. Find a warm and comfortable place to lie down. Be sure to take the phone off the hook and make sure you will have no other interruptions. Keep a blanket close by. Often people grow cold as they journey into the past or future. 3. Working from your toes, relax your muscles one by one, all the way to the top of your head. Breathe easily. Relax... relax... 4. Continue to breathe easily, breathing out fully each time, and let a sigh escape your lips each time you breathe out. 5. Concentrate on the time or event you wish to recall. It can be in the past or the future. You can also focus on an imaginary object that will lead you into a memory. It can be a pyramid in Egypt, a spinning wheel, a Civil War musket, a medieval monastery. If you wish to visit your future, visualize a space ship, a modern city, a distant planet. 6. Record on paper any visions that occur. *WARNING: Never use alcohol or mind-altering drugs before a regression, and don't expect instant results. Exploration by regression or progression takes time, and you may not get a clear insight into your past or future for months. Reincarnation expert Anne Levin says: "What this government report tells us is that our leaders have just learned what Hindus, Buddhists, and Sikhs have known for centuries: There is no death, only life after death. "I recently regressed a 52-year-old housewife named Anne Burton, who recalled 87 past lives dating back to the year 100 B.C. She described how she'd suffered 87 deaths and in every case she was greeted by the same angel standing at the top of the same shining stairway to Heaven. "Each time, the angel ordered her back to life saying 'It's too soon. You must be born again to find your way closer to God. "This case, and hundreds of others like it, proves that you and I will live again, and again, learning and growing from each of our lives. "Eventually we'll reach a state when we are one with the universe - and with immortal God" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 01:24:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA28412; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:24:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:24:44 -0800 Message-ID: <36C7E76D.50CF06A6@harti.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:22:53 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy Subject: Re: Newman Capacitor... It is a LC circuit ! References: <11635-36C52562-2362@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GfM4n1.0.rx6.SV-ns"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8937 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: daveem m wrote: > > <-RJB > > There is one point I still can't follow here, the back spike returns in > the wrong polarity to charge the battery doesn't it? > Dave > No, it is the right polarity to charge the battery. So far it has been tested by Newman, his scientists, Jean Louis Naudin, me and now RJB. The only problem is, is this real power or is it just a scope artifact ?? AquaFuel production seems to support the real power claim, but an analog DC amperemeter does not show a total negative input current, although the scope pulses-integration would suggest this from the waveform.... These backcharging spikes only occur, when the commutator opens and the hissing sound sparks appear. The coil must be viewed as a LC resonance circuit, not just a coil. So it is possible that the current flows back to the battery and charges it, when the circuit is opened at the right moment, when the LC circuit is in the right oscillatiob state. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 04:27:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA23406; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:27:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:27:03 -0800 From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:26:56 GMT Message-ID: <36c81206.16689558@smtp.zipworld.com.au> References: <199902142318.SAA02133@express.globetrotter.net> <36C79146.7890@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <36C79146.7890@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id EAA23383 Resent-Message-ID: <"BQ-cT2.0.Zj5.NA1os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8938 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:15:18 -0800, Bob Shannon wrote: >I thought that the fires were an important part of the natural cycle? I think you are VERY right, Bob... >Isn't it true that after an area is burnt out, it's new growth thrives? Yes... the ash makes a great fertiliser, I believe... Also, it clears out the undergrowth. >I've heard that some trees need major fires to reproduce, and their >seeds must be scorched in order to germinate. haven't heard that one but... Cheers all Alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 04:55:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA30779; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:55:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:55:44 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01be58e3$bb76d420$db1b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> From: "Roger Weichert" To: Subject: Re: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:34:32 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wDf6U.0.pW7.Fb1os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8939 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>I've heard that some trees need major fires to reproduce, and their >>seeds must be scorched in order to germinate. > >haven't heard that one but... Yes! It's certainly true here in Australia. There are many species that rely on fire to germinate. Regards Roger. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 05:35:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA08508; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:35:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:35:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000701be58e7$e9fcc8a0$dcb8aad0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:34:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"SaraM2.0.r42.7A2os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8940 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yes, I've heard that giant sequoias of California need to be struck by lightning before they are able to mature. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 06:14:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA21010; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199902151414.IAA10585@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Article:How to re-visit your past lives and see in to the future Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:12:56 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q2ZlX3.0.885.mk2os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8941 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Shades of Jonathan Livingston Seagull !!!.......Joe ---------- > From: MKSBoysal@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Article:How to re-visit your past lives and see in to the future > Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 1:01 AM > > > This article appeared recently in a popular tabloid. Millions of people > are now reading this type of content, from time to time, both inbooks > and in magazines. Particurlarly interesting I found the conclusion: > > "This case, and hundreds of others like it, proves that you and I will > live again, and again, learning and growing from each of our lives. > "Eventually we'll reach a state when we are one with the universe - > and with immortal God" > > A quite impressive summary of the purpose of life - including the > Ascension. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Very interesting subject, I think using this method one can visit his or hers > future > before arrive there physically. > > Mehmet.>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > HOW TO RE-VISIT YOUR PAST LIVES AND SEE IN TO THE FUTURE > > > WHOLE CHAPTERS of the blockbuster government report reveal how you can > re-live past lives and even see into the future! Chapter Five > (Regressions) contains a step-by-step program you can try for yourself > in your own > home. The theme is revisited in Chapter Eight, under the heading How > To See Into Your Future Lives (Progressions). > In both cases, government investigators ad- > vise the use of a qualified therapist or hypnotist who specializes in > recall - but you can relive parts of your own past and future by > using this simple method: > > 1. Do some mild exercise like walking for 20 minutes, followed by a > warm shower. > > 2. Find a warm and comfortable > place to lie down. Be sure to take the > phone off the hook and make sure > you will have no other interruptions. > Keep a blanket close by. Often people grow cold as they journey into > the past or future. > > 3. Working from your toes, > relax your muscles one by one, > all the way to the top of your > head. Breathe easily. Relax... > relax... > > 4. Continue to breathe > easily, breathing out fully > each time, and let a sigh escape your lips each time you breathe out. > > 5. Concentrate on the > time or event you wish to recall. It can be in the past or the > future. You can also focus on an imaginary object that will lead you > into a memory. It can be a pyramid in Egypt, a spinning wheel, a Civil > War musket, a medieval > monastery. If you wish to visit your future, visualize a space ship, a > modern city, a distant planet. > 6. Record on paper any visions that occur. > > *WARNING: Never use alcohol or mind-altering drugs before a > regression, and don't expect instant results. Exploration by > regression or progression takes time, and you may not get a clear > insight into your past or future for months. > Reincarnation expert Anne Levin says: > "What this government report tells us is that > our leaders have just learned what Hindus, > Buddhists, and Sikhs have known for centuries: There is no death, only > life after death. > "I recently regressed a > 52-year-old housewife > named Anne Burton, who > recalled 87 past lives dating back to the year 100 > B.C. She described how she'd suffered 87 deaths > and in every case she was greeted by the same angel standing at the > top of the same shining stairway to Heaven. > > "Each time, the angel ordered her back to life saying 'It's too soon. > You must be born again > to find your way closer to God. > "This case, and hundreds of others like it, proves that you and I will > live again, and again, learning and growing from each of our lives. > "Eventually we'll reach a state when we are one with the universe - > and with immortal God" > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 08:16:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA26261; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:16:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:16:22 -0800 From: "felis catus" To: Subject: Re: Article:How to re-visit your past lives and see in to the future Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01be58f1$e2960e00$1ddb82d1@cat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RhhzU3.0.AQ6.MX4os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8942 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Joe: The magazine you mention caught my eye-its the supermarket tabloid "Sun", I believe. This is the kind of journalism that sucks wind-nowhere in the article do they give any information on how to locate this document. If we only knew, for example that this is a Department of Justice document, we might be able to secure a copy. The picture in the article of the Government Document cover looks real enough-but did they make it up with Adobe Photoshop? I called them, and the staff was most un-co-operative. If you know anything about it, I would love to know where to get this document. An interesting meta-statement about our society's values-the article appeared in this piece of tabloid trash, and was not even mentioned by any other publication in the mainstream, or religious ones I have heard of either. (e.g.:Buddhist ones might be interested) When I think of mainstream religious publications I have seen, they talk about talk that talk about talk & are furthest from what is 'real' life-they are ideological statements of a faith-like publications of the old Soviet Communist Party before Gorbachev were of the materialistic 'faith' of Communism... Take Dr. Moody's book "Is there Life After Life", in which he published his recollection of bedside near death experiences of patients and attempted to find a common thread or pattern. Yes, those in this group dedicated to rigorous science might say there are large elements of subjectivism there. But at least, Moody and the purported writers of this report are looking, using the best tools we have at hand for now, and not taking everything on blind faith or credulity. Remember the history of science-before Newton, people believed that a heavier stone fell faster than a lighter one-because Aristotle said so. No one bothered to look with their own eyes and find out... gw tilga felis@frontiernet.net -----Original Message----- From: Joe Portman Sr. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Article:How to re-visit your past lives and see in to the future >Shades of Jonathan Livingston Seagull !!!.......Joe > >---------- >> From: MKSBoysal@aol.com >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Article:How to re-visit your past lives and see in to the future >> Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 1:01 AM >> >> >> This article appeared recently in a popular tabloid. Millions of people >> are now reading this type of content, from time to time, both inbooks >> and in magazines. Particurlarly interesting I found the conclusion: >> >> "This case, and hundreds of others like it, proves that you and I will >> live again, and again, learning and growing from each of our lives. >> "Eventually we'll reach a state when we are one with the universe - >> and with immortal God" >> >> A quite impressive summary of the purpose of life - including the >> Ascension. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Very interesting subject, I think using this method one can visit his or >hers >> future >> before arrive there physically. >> >> Mehmet.>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> HOW TO RE-VISIT YOUR PAST LIVES AND SEE IN TO THE FUTURE >> >> >> WHOLE CHAPTERS of the blockbuster government report reveal how you can >> re-live past lives and even see into the future! Chapter Five >> (Regressions) contains a step-by-step program you can try for yourself >> in your own >> home. The theme is revisited in Chapter Eight, under the heading How >> To See Into Your Future Lives (Progressions). >> In both cases, government investigators ad- >> vise the use of a qualified therapist or hypnotist who specializes in >> recall - but you can relive parts of your own past and future by >> using this simple method: >> >> 1. Do some mild exercise like walking for 20 minutes, followed by a >> warm shower. >> >> 2. Find a warm and comfortable >> place to lie down. Be sure to take the >> phone off the hook and make sure >> you will have no other interruptions. >> Keep a blanket close by. Often people grow cold as they journey into >> the past or future. >> >> 3. Working from your toes, >> relax your muscles one by one, >> all the way to the top of your >> head. Breathe easily. Relax... >> relax... >> >> 4. Continue to breathe >> easily, breathing out fully >> each time, and let a sigh escape your lips each time you breathe out. >> >> 5. Concentrate on the >> time or event you wish to recall. It can be in the past or the >> future. You can also focus on an imaginary object that will lead you >> into a memory. It can be a pyramid in Egypt, a spinning wheel, a Civil >> War musket, a medieval >> monastery. If you wish to visit your future, visualize a space ship, a >> modern city, a distant planet. >> 6. Record on paper any visions that occur. >> >> *WARNING: Never use alcohol or mind-altering drugs before a >> regression, and don't expect instant results. Exploration by >> regression or progression takes time, and you may not get a clear >> insight into your past or future for months. >> Reincarnation expert Anne Levin says: >> "What this government report tells us is that >> our leaders have just learned what Hindus, >> Buddhists, and Sikhs have known for centuries: There is no death, only >> life after death. >> "I recently regressed a >> 52-year-old housewife >> named Anne Burton, who >> recalled 87 past lives dating back to the year 100 >> B.C. She described how she'd suffered 87 deaths >> and in every case she was greeted by the same angel standing at the >> top of the same shining stairway to Heaven. >> >> "Each time, the angel ordered her back to life saying 'It's too soon. >> You must be born again >> to find your way closer to God. >> "This case, and hundreds of others like it, proves that you and I will >> live again, and again, learning and growing from each of our lives. >> "Eventually we'll reach a state when we are one with the universe - >> and with immortal God" >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 09:35:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA19308; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:34:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:34:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01be5909$6190a640$ebb8aad0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Fw: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:34:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"wNlgj2.0.bj4.qg5os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8943 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: R. A. Davis To: Free Energy Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 8:39 AM Subject: Re: FIRE FIGHTING, off topic >Yes, I've heard that giant sequoias of California need to be struck by >lightning before they are able to mature. Kind of like some humans. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 09:58:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27542; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:58:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:58:10 -0800 Message-ID: <19990215175830.29102.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: FBI releases Telsa info To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"LtqY71.0.7k6.n06os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8944 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: FBI has posted some Tesla info at it's FOIA reading room site. [warning - each .PPDF file is about 4MB.] see: http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/main.htm - look in the Historical Section. While it is an interesting read -- most of it seems to say the same thing -- writers request info on Tesla documents, and the FBI response defers writer to Dept of Alien Affairs. There are a few curious exections. Here's what I found interesting: Doc1 - Pg 107 April 1973 - Letter to FBI director from someone at Hill AFB. Mentions that Hill AFB has been experimenting with technology related to Tesla's research [Project Tesla?]. Mentions Ball lightning, etc. Doc1 - Pg 111 Above writer to FBI also includes previously un-published John J. O'Neil transcript. Doc1 - pg 124 Feb 1981 - DoD [USAF - Stategic & Space Systems] shows interest in Tesla info for ongoing DoD research. Query declassified 1993. Doc1 - pg 133 Sept 1983 - SAC shows interest in Tesla for info regarding Soviet beam weapons. Mentions SA operative 'Butler' [censor slip?] as beam weapons expert researching Soviet progress with beam weapons technology. Doc2 - pg 43 Jan 30, 1943 - MIT report on analysis of Tesla's safe/personal items. Includes summarized analysis of documents and mentions that devices found were standard measuring instruments. Document analysis is first mention I have seem of actual documents and their contents. Doc2 - pg 49 List of Tesla associates and pertinent info -- FBI file list? Doc2 - Pg 60 Undated note [FBI internal note related to FOIA reading room prep?] stating that Tesla documents don't need to be pre-processed and placed in the FOIA reading room -- due to insufficient public interest. Enjoy. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 12:50:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA28521; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:50:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:50:28 -0800 Message-ID: <36C88898.C316ADA1@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:50:33 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FBI releases Telsa info References: <19990215175830.29102.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zjWO11.0.Tz6.IY8os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8945 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: That's it! They publish a bunch of garbage about people asking for Tesla's info but not Tesla's papers! That is so low, Then claim there is not enough interest! Did anyone actually request information of the requests for release of Tesla's papers? I doubt it! Let's all send a request that they release the info! (have a few hundred requests from people all of a sudden) And sight that page. 60 in Doc.2 We should also ask who requested they release the papers for people asking for tesla, What good does that serve? Who would request such a thing? Maybe we could get this to some conferences and have even more people complain. John Berry Anton Rager wrote: > Doc2 - Pg 60 > Undated note [FBI internal note related to FOIA reading room prep?] > stating that Tesla documents don't need to be pre-processed and placed > in the FOIA reading room -- due to insufficient public interest. > > Enjoy. > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 15 22:50:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA31260; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:50:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:50:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:49:14 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Re: RQM Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199902160149_MC2-6A99-2C88@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA31242 Resent-Message-ID: <"oFZPT3.0.Le7.OKHos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8946 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: >At the risk of repeating myself :^), I started this thread >with the URL of a PDF version of the patent. > >http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf I checked that address twice, and it is no good. I checked http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy , and it is all about radiant energy. I could find no pointers to anything redarding RQM. The radiant energy device is a regular fuel cell except that a supply of radium produces alpha particals which constantly replentish the fuel source. RON BRENNEN wrote: > I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. > It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. Did you get it in electonic form? Can you send me a copy? Keith Nagel wrote: >Well, I'm looking at it (the patent) now. > >5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all >concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material >surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high ... Where did you get it? Can you send me a copy? The RQM web site lists only one patent, and that is Swiss Patent number CH 687 428 A5, issued on Nov 29, 1996. So there is no use searching for it on a US patent server. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 02:55:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA11879; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:54:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:54:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ESJ (electric spacecraft journal) new website Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"V_Ujk1.0.Wv2.xvKos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8947 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At last Charles Yost's ELECTRIC SPACECRAFT JOURNAL has a website! Yay! URL:http://www.cheta.net/dsi/esj e-mail address: dsi@cheta.net ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 05:17:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA08152; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 05:16:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 05:16:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:16:29 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Ralph E Griffin Cc: Free Energy List Subject: Re: RQM In-Reply-To: <199902160149_MC2-6A99-2C88@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xtjWk.0.4_1.5_Mos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8948 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You said: "I checked http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy , and it is all about radiant energy. I could find no pointers to anything redarding RQM. The radiant energy device is a regular fuel cell except that a supply of radium produces alpha particals which constantly replentish the fuel source." _____________________________________________________________ Is there a health and safety concern with this fuel cell? Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 11:03:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA30712; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:55:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: <36C9BFCE.97DF7ABF@harti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:58:22 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy Subject: Re: Newman DECLARATION of February 15, 1999 References: <199902161659.LAA00832@rjbpc.eng.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mvl2-1.0.nV7.qyRos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8949 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "Robert J. Burkholder" wrote: > > The results of the power output on the Motor's shaft were > > so much more powerful than the power inputed into the > > Motor that I and any other competent engineer or physicist > > viewing the same test do and would conclude: > > [signed] > > Milton Everett > > Mechanical Engineer (Ret.) > > > > Date: February 15, 1999 > > As an engineer, surely Mr. Everett could provide a few more details about his > testing of the production machine, other than, "...the power output on the > motor's shaft were so much more than the power inputed into the motor..." > > What is the battery voltage? > What is the resistance of the coil(s)? > What is the input power? > What is the output horsepower and at what RPM? > What is the open-circuit back-EMF of the coil with the rotor spinning at the > operating RPM? > What is the commutator on-off timing cycle? > > I do not trust a DC ammeter or standard wattmeter to give accurate readings of > the input power, because the current and voltage waveforms input to the motor > are very complex. But from the battery voltage, coil resistance, back-EMF, and > timing cycle, the input power could be estimated. > > -RJB Yes, I would also like to see more technical data of the test. How much mechanical output power was generated versus DC input power. If you measure the DC input power behind an LC tank circuit it could be indeed measure the right DC power input as you already have filtered out all spikes, which then go to the Cap of the LC tank. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 14:31:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA09507; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:27:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:27:22 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:23:39 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: FBI releases Telsa info <-- More Data Resent-Message-ID: <"EQQH5.0.SK2.A3Vos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8950 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:39:54 -0800 To: pgb@padrak.com (BCC: Energy_Send_,List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: READ THIS: Ref. 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Box 220 Bayside, CA 95524 USA ISBN 0-945685-17-3 Library of Congress Catalog Number: 96-78764 Cover List Price: $15.95 ------- Table of Contents: Prologue Symbols and Models Chapter I Nikola Tesla and Radiant Energy Chapter 2 Marquese Guglielmo Marconi and Wave Radio Chapter 3 Superior Directives and Privatized Military Research Chapter 4 Nuclear Weaponry and Nuclear Hybrids Chapter 5 Radar EMP and lonoscatter Technology Chapter 6 Military VLF and ELF Technology Chapter 7 Auroral Energy Research Chapter 8 Orbital Reconnaissance Radiation Technology ------- >From Page 32: RADIANT ELECTRICITY Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had already realized the significance of this unexpected effect. The idea of bringing this strange and wondrous new phenomenon to its full potential already suggested drilling new possibilities in his mind. He completely abandoned research and development of alternating current systems after this event intimating that a new technology was about to unfold. The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure. Thus far, Tesla employed rotating contact switches to produce his unidirectional impulses. When these mechanical impulse systems failed to achieve the greatest possible effects, Tesla sought a more "automatic" and powerful means. He found this "automatic switch" in special electrical arc dischargers. The high voltage output of a DC generator was applied to twin conductors through his new arc mechanism, a very powerful permanent magnet sitting crosswise to the discharge path. The discharge arc was automatically and continually "blown out" by this magnetic field. Imperative toward obtaining the desired rare effect, the capacitor and its connected wire lines had to be so chosen as to receive and discharge the acquired electrostatic charge in unidirectional staccato fashion. The true Tesla circuit very much resembles a pulse jet, where no back pressure ever stops the onrushing flow. Electrostatic charge rises to a maximum, and is discharged much more quickly. The constant application of high voltage dynamo pressure to the circuit insures that continual successions of "charge-rapid discharge' are obtained. It is then and only then that the Tesla Effect is observed. Pulses literally flow through the apparatus from the dynamo. The capacitor, disrupter, and its attached wire lines, behave as the flutter valve. [Note that the circuit CONTAINS an electromagnet. Hans Coler. Methernitha. Sparky Sweet. Etc.] ------- From: Page 35 Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials. With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla. TRANSFORMER By 1890, after a period of intense experimentation and design development, Tesla summarized the components necessary for the practical deployment of a radiant electrical power distribution system. Tesla had already discovered the wonderful fact that impulse durations of 100 microseconds or less could not be sensed and would do no physiological harm. He planned to use these in his power broadcast. Furthermore, shocking waves of 100 microsecond duration passed through all matter, a fitting form of electrical energy to broadcast throughout the stone, steel, and glass of a power-needy city. Tesla would not expect distortions with specially adjusted energy fields, vectors which permeated matter without interactive effects. Tesla made a most startling discovery the same year, when placing a long single-turn copper helix near his magnetic disrupter. The coil, some two feet in length, did not behave as did solid copper pipes and other objects. The thin- [Defines the pulse-width operating region.] ------- >From Page 36: walled coil became ensheathed in an envelope of white sparks. Undulating from the crown of this coil were very long and fluidic silvery white streamers, soft discharges which appeared to have been considerably raised in voltage. These effects were greatly intensified when the helical coil was placed within the disrupter wire circle. Inside this "shockzone", the helical coil was surrounded in a blast which hugged into its surface, and rode up the coil to its open end. It seemed as though the shockwave actually pulled away from surrounding space to cling to the coil surface, a strange attractive preference. The shockwave flowed over the coil at right angles to the windings, an unbelievable effect. The sheer length of discharges leaping from the helix crown was incomprehensible. With the disrupter discharge jumping I inch in its magnetic housing, the white fliinmering discharges rose from the helix to a measured length of over two feet. This discharge equalled the very length of the coil itself'. It was an unexpected and unheard transformation. Here was an action more nearly "electrostatic" in nature, although he knew that academes would not comprehend this term when used in this situation. Electrostatic energy did not fluctuate as did his shockwaves. The explosive shockwave had characteristics unlike any other electrical machine in existence. Yet Tesla stated that the shockwave, during the brief instant in which it made its explosive appearance, more nearly resembled an electrostatic field than any other known electrical manifestation. just as in electrostatic friction machines, where current and magnetism are negligible, a very energetic field component fills space in radiating lines. This 'dielectric" field normally launches through space in a slow growth as charges are gathered. Here was a case where a DC generator provided the high voltage. This voltage charged an insulated hoop of copper, growing to its maximum value. If all values in the circuit were properly balanced, in the manner prescribed by Tesla, a sudden charge collapse would then occur. This collapse was necessarily very much shorter than the interval required to charge the hoop. The collapse comes when the magnetic disrupter extinguishes the arc. If the circuit is properly structured, no backrush alternations ever occur. This unidirectional succession of charge-discharge impulses causes a very strange field to expand outward, one which vaguely resembles a "Stuttering' or 'staccato" electrostatic field. But these terms did not satisfactorily describe the conditions actually measured around the apparatus, a powerful radiant effect exceeding all expectable electrostatic values. Actual calculation of these discharge ratios proved impossible. Implementing the standard magneto-inductive transformer rule, Tesla was unable to account for the enormous voltage multiplication effect. Conventional relationships failing, Tesla hypothesized that the effect was due entirely to radiant transformation rules, obviously requiring empirical determination. Subsequent measurements of discharge lengths and helix attributes provided the necessary new mathematical relationship. He had discovered a new induction law, one where radiant shockwaves [OK - so read that last large paragraph again. Think about the Methernitha Swiss M-L Converter and the Newman Motor!!!] ------- >From Page 37: actually auto-intensified when encountering segmented objects. The segmentation was the key to releasing the action. Radiant shockwaves encountered an helix and "flashed over" the outer skin, from end to end. This shockwave did not pass through the windings of the coil at all, treating the coil surface as an aerodynamic plane. The shockwave pulse auto-intensified exactly as gas pressures continually increase when passing through Venturi tubes. A consistent increase in electrical pressure was measured along the coil surface. Indeed, Tesla stated that voltages could often be increased at an amazing 10,000 volts per inch of axial coil surface. This meant that a 24 inch coil could absorb radiant shockwaves which initially measured 10,000 volts, with a subsequent maximum rise to 240,000 volts! Such transformations of voltage were unheard with apparatus of this volume and simplicity. Tesla further discovered that the output voltages were mathematically related to the resistance of turns in the helix. Higher resistance meant higher voltage maxima. He began referring to his disrupter line as his special "primary", and to the helical coil placed within the shockzone, as his special "secondary". But he never intended anyone to equate these terms with those referring to magnetoelectric transformers. This discovery was indeed completely different from magneto-induction. There was a real and measurable reason why he could make this outlandish statement. There was an attribute which completely baffled Tesla for a time. Tesla measured a zero current condition in these long copper secondary coils. He determined that the current which should have appeared was completely absent. Pure voltage was rising with each inch of coil surface. Tesla constantly referred to his "electrostatic induction laws", a principle which few comprehended. Tesla called the combined disrupter and secondary helix a 'Transformer". Tesla Transformers are not magnetoelectric devices, they use radiant shockwaves, and produce pure voltage without current. No university High Frequency Coil must ever be called a "Tesla Coil", since the devices usually employed in demonstration halls are the direct result of apparatus perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge and not by Nikola Tesla. The Tesla Transformer is an impulse apparatus, and cannot be as easily constructed except by strict conformity with parameters which Tesla enunciated. Tesla Transformers produce extraordinary white impulse discharges of extreme length and pressure, which exceed the alternating violet spark displays of Lodge Coils. This is illustrated by noting the manner in which Tesla Transformers are actually constructed. While looking and seeming the same, each system actually performs very different functions. Lodge Coils are alternators. Tesla Transformers are unidirecdonal impulses. The most efficient Tesla Transformations were obtained only when the dis- ruptive radiating wire line equalled the mass of the helical coil. [Voltage multiplication in the inner coil!] ------- >From Page 39: examining the white flames, Tesla realized why there was no measurable "electrical current" at the crown of these activated coils. The normal heavy charge carriers, electrons, could not travel as quickly as the radiant pulse itself. Choked in the metallic lattice of the coil, electrons became immobile. No electron current moved through the coil at all. The radiant pulse which moved over the coil surface, was therefore not electronic in nature. Additionally, Tesla discovered an amazing phenomenon which removed all doubt concerning the true nature of energetic carriers at work in his apparatus. Tesla arranged a very heavy a U-shaped copper bus-bar, connecting both legs directly to his disrupter primary. Across the legs of this U-shaped busbar were placed several incandescent lamps. The arrangement was a very evident short circuit. The lamps were illuminated to a brilliant cold white light, while being shorted by a heavy copper shunt. Uncharacteristic of particulate current electricity, the bright but cold lamps revealed that another energetic current was indeed flowing through the "short-circuits". Those who observed this experiment did not expected it to perform any function save the incineration of the disrupter circuit and possibly of the dynamo itself. Instead of this, witnesses beheld a marvel. The lamps lit to an uncommon brightness. In this simple demonstration, Tesla was illustrating but one of his many evidences. Electronic charges would prefer the least resistant circuit rejecting the incandescent bulbs for the copper path. The current in this situation chose to conform with a contradictory principle. Perhaps this was true because the currents were not electrical. Tesla repeatedly used this demonstration to evidence the "fractionation" of currents electronic, from currents neutral. LUNUNIFEROUS ETHER A single question remained, the answer to which would provide him with the essential information needed to create a new technology. What so separated or 'fractioned" the diverse mobile carriers in his Transformer? It was the geometric configuration of the coil which inadvertently separated each component. Electrons were blocked from flowing through the wire length, while the radiant pulse was released over the coil surface as a gaseous pulse. Electrons should have drifted through the wire but, during each impulse period, were blocked by the line resistance. Thus, the gaseous mobile carriers were released to flow outside the wire, a pulse which travelled along the outer coil surface from end to end. Here then was evidence that electrical discharges were indeed composed of several simultaneous mobile species. Tesla now comprehended why his first high frequency alternating currents never evidenced these powerful actions. It was the abruptness, the violence of the impulsive discharge, which gave free ------- [Page 41 talks about the identification and use of two elements much lighter than Hydrogen that were originally placed into the Periodic Table. The idea is that the aether could be made of these elements. Toby recalls how these are predicted and shown in the Walter Russell 2-D Table of the Elements, in his papers. Right-On. Russell also used ice-cream cone (or conic) shaped coils. So did Tesla - keep reading...] ------- >From Pages 42-43: He often exposed himself to the very shortest of aether impulse radiance, discovering the mind-elevating effects grew with time. AEtheric energy demonstrated growth characteristics which Tesla noted with amazement. It is impossible to comprehend Teslian Technology apart from the controversial topic concerning the aether. Many analysts will reject the concept without first seeking out and discovering the proofs which have been established by experimenters such as Eric Dollard. Nevertheless, the overwhelming evidence proves that Tesla had indeed been first to identify the gases which Dr. Mendeleev had so long predicted. Tesla addressed the notion that aether streams were being pulled through his Transformers, drawn in at higher natural pressure, and accelerated in the sharp electrical discharge. As electrical systems, Tesla apparatus cannot completely be understood or explained. One must view Teslian Technology as an aether gas technology, one capable of being explained only through gas-dynamic analogues. It was now easy to understand how such projected rays, aether gas streams under high pressure, could penetrate metals and insulators alike. These powerful rays often could penetrate certain materials with inexplicable efficiency. Electricity did not perform these wonders. Tesla also now understood why these discharge streams produced their smoothly hissing sounds, visibly appearing like gas jets under high pressure. Ether gas under pressure. But what of the other characteristics of this gaseous component? Here was a new world of forces and dynamics vaguely glimpsed by researchers such as Luigi Galvani who, in order to release the more vitalizing components observed in metals which were aerially disposed or grounded, persistently sought the elimination of electronic charge. Tesla was completely mystified. He had successfully released the mystery current, normally suppressed and bound in electronic charge carriers. Unidirectional impulsive discharges of high voltage and abrupt durations released them. What other potentials would aether gas technology release? BROADCAST POWER The original cylindrical coils were quickly replaced with cone shaped coils. With these bizarre geometries, Tesla was able to focus the gas-dynamic component, which now rose up like a jet of hissing white light from the coil tip. Tesla recognized that these discharges, while spectacular and awe inspiring, actually represented lost power. A power broadcast station had to evenly disperse the energetic radiance in all directions. Flame-like discharges caused the available power to undulate in space. This would produce unpredictable power drops at great distances. Consumers would not receive a reliable and consistent stream of energy. If his Power Transformer was to operate with highest broadcast efficiency, these flame-like discharges necessarily had to be suppressed. But suppressing these excessive oether jets proved problematic. ------- [If we do not do experiments with this - we are not going to advance. Who can get me Eric Dollard's mail address and/or email address and/or phone number. We have a Project to begin here Boys.] ------- >That's it! They publish a bunch of garbage about people asking for Tesla's >info but not Tesla's papers! >That is so low, Then claim there is not enough interest! >Did anyone actually request information of the requests for release of >Tesla's papers? >I doubt it! >Let's all send a request that they release the info! (have a few hundred >requests from people all of a sudden) And sight that page. 60 in Doc.2 > >We should also ask who requested they release the papers for people asking >for tesla, What good does that serve? Who would request such a thing? >Maybe we could get this to some conferences and have even more people >complain. > >John Berry > >Anton Rager wrote: > >> Doc2 - Pg 60 >> Undated note [FBI internal note related to FOIA reading room prep?] >> stating that Tesla documents don't need to be pre-processed and placed >> in the FOIA reading room -- due to insufficient public interest. >> >> Enjoy. >> == >> Anton Rager >> a_rager@yahoo.com >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 16:38:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA27913; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:38:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <36CA1031.446A21E0@harti.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:41:21 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Dieter Bauer Update: A motor proposal without brushes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5bwXH2.0.sp6.lzWos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8951 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dieter Bauer has just sent me a new HTML-Page regarding the recent Jean Louis Naudin coil thruster experiments and he told me, there is a method, how it could work. Have a look here: http://www.overunity.com/permotor/permotor.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 16:40:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA29114; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:40:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:40:17 -0800 Message-ID: <001801be5a0e$aa199d80$3b9d62cf@default> From: "Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: Subject: RQM Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:44:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE59D3.FC9EF540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZEzJT1.0.T67.l_Wos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8952 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE59D3.FC9EF540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Guys (Gals), Here are answers to your questions direct from Bruce Perrault! Robin Dye VisionQuest Productions robindye@doitnow.com=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph E Griffin > To: Free Energy List > Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: RQM >=20 > >Keith Nagel wrote: > > > >>At the risk of repeating myself :^), I started this thread > >>with the URL of a PDF version of the patent. > >> > >>http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf > > > >I checked that address twice, and it is no good. * I posted this rqm.pdf for about one month. > > > >I checked http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy, and it is all > >about radiant energy. I could find no pointers to anything > >redarding RQM.=20 * I received the rqm patent from one of my supporters. I first I was excited but after fully reviewing the patent I determined that it was a waste of space on my server.=20 If any of you want to view this patent I would be happy to send it along to Bill Beaty, maybe he will post it to his server. > > > >The radiant energy device is a regular fuel > >cell except that a supply of radium produces alpha particals > >which constantly replentish the fuel source. * Yes & No... it is just one example of what radiant energy can do. It is not the device.=20 > > > >RON BRENNEN wrote: > >> I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. > >> It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. * I fully agree! This is why it is no longer taking up space. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html -Bruce A. Perreault ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE59D3.FC9EF540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Guys (Gals),
 
Here are answers to your questions = direct from=20 Bruce Perrault!
 
Robin Dye
VisionQuest Productions
robindye@doitnow.com =
 
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph E Griffin = <ralph_griffin@compuserve.com= >
>=20 To: Free Energy List <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
>= Date:=20 Monday, February 15, 1999 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: RQM
> =
>=20 >Keith Nagel wrote:
> >
> >>At the risk of = repeating=20 myself :^), I started this thread
> >>with the URL of a PDF = version=20 of the patent.
> >>
> >>http://www.cyberport= al.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf
>=20 >
> >I checked that address twice, and it is no = good.


* I=20 posted this rqm.pdf for about one month.

> >
> >I = checked=20 http://www.cyberportal.net/n= uenergy,=20 and it is all
> >about radiant energy. I could find no pointers = to=20 anything
> >redarding RQM.


* I received the rqm = patent from=20 one of my supporters.
I first I was excited but after fully reviewing = the=20 patent I
determined that it was a waste of space on my server. =

If any=20 of you want to view this patent I would be happy to
send it along to = Bill=20 Beaty, maybe he will post it to his
server.


> = >
>=20 >The radiant energy device is a regular fuel
> >cell except = that a=20 supply of radium produces alpha particals
> >which constantly=20 replentish the fuel source.


* Yes & No... it is just one = example=20 of what radiant energy
can do. It is not the device.


> = >
> >RON BRENNEN wrote:
> >>    I = got the=20 patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook.
>=20 >>    It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the=20 patent.


* I fully agree! This is why it is no longer taking = up=20 space.


    http://www.cyberpo= rtal.net/nuenergy/main.html


   =20 -Bruce A. Perreault
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE59D3.FC9EF540-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 17:20:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA10169; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:19:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:19:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990216202827.00af1410@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:28:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: RQM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cm5f91.0.kU2.xaXos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8953 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi. Well, seems Bruce Perrault has heavily modified his site, indeed no references to be found. Sorry, I just printed it out, didn't save the electronic version. I suggest heading to your local patent repository. K. At 01:49 AM 2/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >Keith Nagel wrote: > >>At the risk of repeating myself :^), I started this thread >>with the URL of a PDF version of the patent. >> >>http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/rqm.pdf > >I checked that address twice, and it is no good. >I checked http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy , and it is all >about radiant energy. I could find no pointers to anything >redarding RQM. The radiant energy device is a regular fuel >cell except that a supply of radium produces alpha particals >which constantly replentish the fuel source. > >RON BRENNEN wrote: >> I got the patent, but it is amasterpiece of gobbledegook. >> It gives no info whatsoever. Forget the patent. > >Did you get it in electonic form? >Can you send me a copy? > >Keith Nagel wrote: > >>Well, I'm looking at it (the patent) now. >> >>5 pulse forming networks are used to drive 5 inductors; all >>concentric and aligned axially. Magnetostrictive material >>surrounds the coils; with an insulating layer of high ... > >Where did you get it? >Can you send me a copy? > >The RQM web site lists only one patent, and that is >Swiss Patent number CH 687 428 A5, issued on Nov 29, 1996. >So there is no use searching for it on a US patent server. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 16 21:37:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02086; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:37:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:37:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:37:02 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Re: RQM Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" Cc: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199902170037_MC2-6ABF-2826@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id VAA02061 Resent-Message-ID: <"AIwnt.0.RW.RMbos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8954 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jorg Ostrowski asked >Is there a health and safety concern with this fuel cell? I am no expert on radiation, but as far as I know, alpha particals are a health hazard. On the other hand, they are relatively easy to shield (compaired to other types of hazardous radiation). The information as the nuenergy web site indicated that the fuel cell was in a sealed container, which is a good thing. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 17 06:05:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA00219; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:02:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:02:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:01:45 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Ralph E Griffin Cc: Free Energy List Subject: Re: RQM In-Reply-To: <199902170037_MC2-6ABF-2826@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fIOPu2.0.J3.wlios"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8955 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ralph: Thank you for a refreshingly practical message. Jorg Ostrowski ______________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Ralph E Griffin wrote: > > Jorg Ostrowski asked > >Is there a health and safety concern with this fuel cell? > > I am no expert on radiation, but as far as I know, alpha particals > are a health hazard. On the other hand, they are relatively easy to shield > (compaired to other types of hazardous radiation). The > information as the nuenergy web site indicated that the fuel cell > was in a sealed container, which is a good thing. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 17 08:55:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA25241; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:55:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:55:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990217084434.191fe2bc@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:44:34 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Dieter Bauer Update: A motor proposal without brushes Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <36CA1031.446A21E0@harti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WZ0h12.0.IA6.1Ilos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8956 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, Maybe it is too late for me to think clearly, but I am having trouble seeing where all the (cylinder or bowl) currents go. Because the A field cannot be shielded, a broken loop of current is required? Is a Mu metal shield sufficient, or is the curl or curl-free A still required? I will try to read and understand it better. It does sound interesting. -Dave At 01:41 AM 2/17/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Dieter Bauer >has just sent me a new HTML-Page regarding the recent Jean Louis Naudin >coil thruster experiments and he told me, there is a method, >how it could work. > >Have a look here: > >http://www.overunity.com/permotor/permotor.htm > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 17 13:39:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA10590; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:39:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:39:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:41:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199902172141.WAA10160@ns.b.vossnet.de> X-Sender: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "Stefan Hartmann" From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Subject: Re: Dieter Bauer Update: A motor proposal without brushes Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"-L6-F.0.Nb2.QSpos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8957 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave ! You wrote >Maybe it is too late for me to think clearly, >but I am having trouble seeing where all the (cylinder or bowl) currents go. The currents are generated in the batteries in the inner of the bowl. Their currents goes through the bowl, flows down at the outer surface of the bowl and goes back to the inner of the bowl into the battery. By the number of windings and their location a defined current current density is made sure in order to produce the effect. >Because the A field cannot be shielded, a broken loop of current >is required? Is a Mu metal shield sufficient, or is the curl or curl-free A >still required? The A-field is affected by the mu metal as well because the mu metal sets boundary conditions. Curl A = 0 holds because we are in magnetostatic. See standard books of electrodynamics like Jackson ! Sincerly Dieter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 17 17:25:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA25221; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:24:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:24:49 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:20:27 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The First International Conference on Free Energy: April in WDC Resent-Message-ID: <"eXLOe2.0.r96.Wlsos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8958 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: =============================================================== The First International Conference on Free Energy U.S. Dept. of State Washington, D.C., USA Conference: April 29-30, 1999 Workshops: May 1, 1999 Hosted by the Secretary of State Open Forum The objective of CoFE is to: * Educate the private and public sectors about free energy * Demonstrate its capacity to perform work free of charge * Explain how it is superior to centralized power generation * Emphasize the planetary urgency for its adoption * Broaden deregulation choices free of combustion-pollution * Discuss the availability of various free energy systems * Analyze free energy science regarding input and output Scheduled Plenary Speakers: * Dr. Paul Brown, Nuclear Solutions Inc. * Dr. Edmund Storms, Los Alamos Labs (ret.) * Dr. Paulo Correa * Les Adam, AZ Industries * Dr. Peter Graneau, Center. for Electromagnetic Research, Northeastern Univ. * David Wallman * Chris Flavin, Worldwatch Institute * Dr. David Goodwin, DOE * Bruce Perrault * Chip Ransford, Nova Resources Group * Dr. Deborah D. L. Chung, SUNY/Buffalo * Dr. Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research * James Griggs, Hydro Dynamics Inc. * Kent Robertson, American Wind Energy Association For further information, contact the co-sponsor: Integrity Research Institute 1422 K Street NW Suite 204 Washington, DC 20005 202-452-7674 800-295-7674 FAX 301-513-5728 iri@erols.com http://www.erols.com/iri/ =============================================================== The First International Conference on Free Energy With the assistance of the Chairperson of the Secretary's Open Forum, the conference will be conducted under the auspices of the U. S. State Department at 2201 C Street NW, Washington, DC 20520, in the Dean Acheson Auditorium accompanied by attendees from the Dept. of State, Dept. of Energy, NASA, embassies, non-profit organizations. A separate video room will schedule continuous energy documentary videos both days. Call agent early for hotel reservations across the street from the conference: 800-777-8747. The State Department is Metro (subway) accessible. use the Foggy Bottom/GWU stop, and walk south 4 blocks. =============================================================== The First International Conference on Free Energy A conference featuring the some of the best professional scientists and inventors who have specialized in new, unconventional, and clean energy alternatives that approach the ideal of "free" energy: an ideal that sets the standard for on-site, modular power units as the electricity of the future. The emphasis for speakers will be: (1) the details of the technology, (2) how it can be utilized effectively, and additionally, (3) the implications for society upon adoption of the technical advancement. List of invited speakers: Dr. Paul Brown* Betavoltaic Batteries (possible demo) Dr. Edmund Storms* Hydrogen Technologies Overview Dr. Paulo Correa Pulsed Plasma Glow Discharge Les Adam* Peroxide Powered Helicopter (Demo!) Dr. Peter Graneau* Release of Chemical Bond Energy David Wallman* Carbon-Arc Gasification of Biomass Chris Flavin WorldWatch Renewable Energy Dr. David Goodwin* Zero Point Energy Generation Bruce Perrault* Nuclear Radiant Energy Battery (Demo) Chip Ransford* Tabletop Nuclear Transmutation (Demo) Dr. Deborah D. L. Chung* Negative Resistance and Superconductivity Dr. Tom Van Flandern* Gravity Model and Free Energy Implications James Griggs* Hydrosonic Pump Generator (cavitation) Kent Robertson* American Wind Energy Association *confirmed as of 2/1/99 Thirty Exhibitors also featured who are not speakers (as well as some who are speakers), including: Energy Information Administration (DOE), Lightworks Audio/Video, Solarex Solar Power Panels, U of Md FutureCar Team, Breakthrough Technologies Institute, Magnetizer Inc., U.S. Energy Association, Billings Corp., Fuel Cell Institute, Integrity Research Institute, Friends of the Earth, and many others. Workshops: 1. Dr. Eugene Mallove: "Assisted Nuclear Reactions"; 2. Dr. Edmond Stroms: "Technical Details" 3. Bruce Perrault: "Radiant Energy" 4. Les Adams: "From Magnets to Helicopters 5. Paul Pantone: "GEET Clean Conbustion Device" 6. Chip Ransford: "Nucleosysthesis Details" 7. Kent Robertson: "The Right Windmill for You" 8. Dr. paul Brown: "Effective Radioactive Waste Remediation" 9. Dr. Peter Graneau: "Experimental Results of Arc Discharges" 10. David Wallman: "Biomass Solution" and two other mystery guests!!! =============================================================== Conference Notes: * Videotapes. Professional quality videotapes of each speaker will be available after the conference. * Workshops. Saturday two-hour sessions are scheduled in parallel at $30. each. * Admission. No charge for admission. However, a per person cost of a gourmet catered lunch ($20) and two refreshment breaks ($5) per day, plus surcharges, has been assessed. * Hotel. A limited number of rooms set aside for CoFE attendees at the State Plaza Hotel, 2117 E St. NW, (202-861-8200, 800-424-2859) by mentioning Group #4527. * Travel. Ericson Travel (CoFE Official Agent) has deep discount travel and hotels available (301-595-7999, 800-777-8747). * Reception. Pre-conference speaker reception in the Diplomat Room of the State Plaza Hotel 7-9 PM April 28, Wednesday night. * Entertainment. 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Name: Address: City: State: Zip: Country: Phone: Send to: Integrity Research Institute 1422 K Street NW Suite 204 Washington, DC 20005 202-452-7674 800-295-7674 FAX 301-513-5728 iri@erols.com http://www.erols.com/iri/ =============================================================== =============================================================== Transcribed into text from WORD98 files by Patrick Bailey, February 17, 1999, and emailed to the world, because Tom Valone is a friend of mine. Good Luck Tom! Dr. Patrick Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ =============================================================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 17 20:50:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA27850; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:50:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:50:23 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: Keelynet@dallastexas.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Puharich Patent/BRS OFF TOPIC Message-Id: <919313404.9472.671@excite.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:50:04 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.71 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ZoguA2.0.zo6.Emvos"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8959 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry Decker wrote; > > > Whereas Keely claimed that by instantaneously disrupting the molecule, > > > it would produce a tremendous explosion using the 42.8kcps...other > > > frequencies for triple dissociation were 610, 610 and 12kcps. > > > > > > I still find it encouragingly synchronistic and supportive that the > > > late Henry (Andrija) Puharich found that the optimum dissociation > > > frequency for water was 600cps which he happened to stumble upon while > > > looking for a way to remove gases from the blood. When we had him in > > > Dallas, I told him about Keely's research with water dissociation and > > > named those frequencies, he'd never heard that before, so he was > > > surprised also. In pouring through Puharich Patent no 4,394,230 it would appear to me that he is using an AC input.His claims at the end of the patent; 1.A method for splitting water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen comprising; a)generating complex electrical wave forms matching the complex wave form resonant frequencies of tetrahedral water molecules; b)applying said generated wave forms in resonance to said water molecules to shatter said molecules, thereby liberating hydrogen and oxygen. Further on, 5. The method of claim 1,in which a) the applied complex wave form is a signal in the form of an audio frequency,amplitude modulated carrier wave; c)the impedance of said signal is matched continuously with that of said cell during the electrolysis of said molecules. 6. the method of claim 5,in which the audio frequency is in the range of 20 to 200 Hz; and the carrier wave is in the range of 200-100,000 Hz This amplitude modulation of a carrier wave is described as a novel application of circuitry disclosed in earlier Puharich patents. Anyone know where I can get copies of these through some kind of patent search engine on the internet? I have the no.s. 3,629,521 ; 3,563,246 ; 3,726,762. In the available patent info stage C is said to contain the relevant optimum efficiency; fundamental carrier frequency=3980 Hz 1st Order Harmonic Modulation=7960 HzH 2nd Order Harmonic Modulation=15,920 Hz 3rd OHM= 31,840 4th OHM=63,690 What is believed to be happening in this IV OHM effect is that each of the four apices of the tetrahedron water molecule is resonant to one of the four harmonics observed. Concerning this special electrical generator classified as Component 1 in the patent: The energy output of Component 1 is an alternating current looking into a highly non-linear load,i.e., the water solution. This alternating current generator (Component 1) is so designed that at peak load it is in resonance,and the vector diagrams show that the capacitive reactance and the inductive reactance are almost exactly 180 degrees out of phase,so that the net power output is reactive, and the dissipative power is very small. This design insures minimum power losses across the entire output system. {Note: we must deduce that the corresponding correct inductance to produce a cancelling inductive reactance is then contained in the Component 1 circuitry. This is exactly the strategy I am employing in the construction of a binary resonant electrolysizor. Assuming the cell to be essentially a dead short condition the application of 120 volts rectified dc from wall voltage must be limited by amperage or breakers will trip. The usual method is to put a capacitor in series with the rectification circuit thereby limiting the total amperage by the capacitive reactance of the cap. However the method of using an inductor instead is far superior because a tank circuit can then be formed where the volume of amperage inside the circuit exceeds the volume of amperage inputed. Needless to say it is the volume of amperage conduction that determines gas production and not voltage. The primary problem concerning input voltage is that each cell produces the best efficiency @ of a 2 volt dc pulse. Ordinarily any voltage past this does not correspondingly increase the volume of gas generated thus involves a loss of efficiency showing as wasted heat in the cell. However a resonant voltage could be pulsed in such an effect that the voltage rise is instantaneously cut off to that enabling the conduction value to take place. In this new condition the binary resonant system will offer the correct voltage value to any series of cells: it will deliver the minmimum voltage necessary for conduction within realistic voltage parameters as determined by the amount of resonant voltage rise available. Thus it will supply 40 volts to a 20 series cell: 80 to a 40 series cell: and only 2 volts to a single cell. THE IMPLICATION OF THIS IS CONTAINED NOW IN THE FACT THAT BEFORE THE STATE OF THE ART IN ELECTROLYSIZOR DESIGN HAS BEEN A SERIES OF 120 CELLS ACROSS A 240 AC INPUT SO THAT 2 VOLTS CAN EXIST ACROSS EACH CELL. BUT THE BRS CIRCUMVENTS THIS PROBLEM SO THAT A PARALLEL INSTEAD OF SERIES DESIGN CAN BECOME PRACTICAL. THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS THAT THE ACTUAL RESISTANCE OF THE CELL AND THEREBY AMOUNT OF AMPERAGE CONDUCTION TAKING PLACE CAN BE INCREASED BY CORRESPONDINGLY LARGER SURFACE AREA OF PLATES. IT IS THE AVAILABLE AMOUNT OF AMPERAGE AND AVAILABLE PLATE AREA THAT DETERMINES WHETHER THE SAME 2 VOLTS CAN ALLOW 3 AMPS CONDUCTION OR 30A. THE AMOUNT OF AMPERAGE AVAILABLE IS DETERMINED BY THAT AVAILABLE IN THE PARALLEL RESONANT TANK CIRCUIT LIMITED BY THE COIL SYSTEMS IMPEDANCE. BY USING TWO SETS OF 7500 FT OF COILED 18 GAUGE WIRE A PREDICTED 700 VOLT PULSE AND 3/1 OUTPUT AMPERAGE VS INPUT AMPERAGE CAN BE MAINTAINED FROM THE WALL 120 AC VOLTAGE. THE USE OF A ROTARY ARC GAP THEN BECOMES NECESSARY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE PULSE OF 700 VOLTS IS COMPLETELY STORED IN THE CAPS AT MOMENT OF POLARITY CHANGE. SIMILAR TO THE FUNCTION OF THIS DEVICE IN TESLA COIL PRIMARIES THE SHORT TO THE ELECTROLYSIZOR SHOULD MOST EFFECTIVELY APPLIED AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND ADDITIONALLY THE USE OF 4 ROTARY SWITCHES IN COORDINATION COULD BE REALIZED TO PRODUCE A MECHANICAL DC COMMUTATION TO THE ELECTROLYSER AT 120 PULSES PER SECOND. ORDINARY USE OF DIODES FOR THESE PURPOSES CIRCUMVENTS THE POSSIBILITIES OF EMPLOYING AN AC MODULATION OF A DC PULSE INHERENTLY MADE POSSIBLE BY THE BINARY RESONANT ACTION OF A SPECIALLY TIMED ARC GAP. IN THIS EXPERIMENTAL SCHEME OF USING A ROTARY GAP TO CORRECTLY DISCHARGE A CAP VOLTAGE IN TIMING IT IS ENTIRELY CONCIEVABLE THAT THE STORED VOLTAGE AT THE REVERSE POLARITY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE CYCLE MAY NOT REACH THE SAME VALUE AS WHEN FORMERLY SHORTED OUT. I N THIS CASE IT MAY TAKE A FULL CYCLE TO BUILD UP A FULL RECOVERY TO 700 VOLTS IN WHICH CASE A PULSE OF 60 SHORTS PER SECOND COULD BE USED AS A MEANS OF HALF WAVE RECTIFICATION THEREBY NEGATING THE USE OF 4 SWITCHES AS IN MECHANICAL COMMUTATION. }Having gone quite off topic here seems to indicate what happens in what Puharich terms a 'Open Circuit ' Reversible Threshold Effect. This occurs when the water molecules are capacitor charging and discharging at their characteristic low frequency RC time constant of 0.0002 seconds. It is to be noted that pure water has a very high dielectric constant which makes such an effect possible. { Essentially a half wave rectification of the AC input@ 5000 hz is accomplished perhaps when an inductive reactance to the acting capacitance reactance of the electrolysis cell is matched at this frequency. Irregardless a unipolar pulse is accomplished even though the input is 5000 hz AC. Amazingly this pulse only manifests itself in a 3 second cycle where the pulsing amplitude modulation of the voltage is determined by the hydrogen nuclear spin relaxation constant. I may have misinterpreted this as a special function of component 1 or I may be over my head in trying to understand this patent. any corrections are appreciated HDN} _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 17 22:58:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA31392; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:58:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:58:29 -0800 Message-ID: <005001be5b0d$40e36760$7ff2fea9@eugene-buchanan> From: "Eugene Buchanan" To: Subject: Gravio Magnetic Regauging Homopolar Generator Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:06:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01BE5ACA.32291780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"gSKBM1.0.Pg7.Kexos"@mx1> Resent-From: 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Generator Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"bAvOC1.0.-B1.0F0ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8961 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: NEEDS SOME CORRECTION Looks like you need to revers the direction of the wheel, on this drawing. Other wise wheel will not work, the way its drown, counter clockwise. Revers the arrows that denoted acceleration and live rest of the drawing as is. Mehmet.>> For those of you who cannot get attachments goto http://www.blarg.net/~sunshine/mag.gif >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 04:29:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA07618; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:29:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <36CC087D.BF7F4291@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:33:01 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, MKSBoysal@aol.com Subject: Re: Gravio Magnetic Regauging Homopolar Generator References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tRdRK.0.os1.wU0ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8962 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > NEEDS SOME CORRECTION > Looks like you need to revers the direction of the wheel, on this drawing. > Other wise wheel will not work, the way its drown, counter clockwise. Revers > the arrows that denoted acceleration and live rest of the drawing as is. > Mehmet.>> > > For those of you who cannot get attachments goto > http://www.blarg.net/~sunshine/mag.gif > > >> No, it is good this way, it works in repelling mode ! Have a closer look ! I don´t know, if it goes so easy out of the path at the upper right side and how much power you will need for the coil ?? Could be more than you mechanically win... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 05:00:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA14384; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:59:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:59:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199902181259.WAA26801@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts3m03.the-gc.net [203.55.227.103] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:00:26 Subject: I'm new Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"FnILm2.0.fW3.7x0ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8963 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I joined this list because I'm interested in efficient electric motors, and stuff that the oil companies don't like. A friend of my late Grandfather was killed by $hell early in the century while he was perfecting a technique to make fuel from eucaliptus oil - so I'm told ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 06:59:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22546; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:58:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:58:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199902181458.IAA27446@mw3.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Puharich Patent/BRS OFF TOPIC Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:46:52 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2U5pe2.0.7W5.ag2ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8964 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, You are lucky to have the pat #s, otherwise it takes a long time to find patents. The US Patent & Trademark Office (PTO) has a good webpage. Do a search to find it. Joe Portman =========== ---------- > From: Harvey Norris > To: Keelynet@dallastexas.net > Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Puharich Patent/BRS OFF TOPIC > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:50 PM > > > > . Anyone know > where I can get copies of these through some kind of patent search engine on > the internet? > I have the no.s. 3,629,521 ; 3,563,246 ; 3,726,762. > In the available patent info stage C is said to contain the From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 09:47:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA17707; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:46:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:46:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:01:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199902181701.SAA30803@ns.b.vossnet.de> X-Sender: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Subject: Re: Erratum in answer: A motor proposal without brushes Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"x_Brr2.0.aK4.G85ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8965 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote > Curl A =0 holds because we are in magnetostatic. means >div A =0 (Coulomb gauge) holds because we are in magnetostatic. Sincerly Dieter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 20:39:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA27881; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:38:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:38:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990218200445.22472c2a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:04:45 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Dieter Bauer Update: A motor proposal without brushes Cc: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de, leoguitar@vossnet.de In-Reply-To: <199902172141.WAA10160@ns.b.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"68ohF3.0.Yp6.kgEps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8967 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dieter and all, At 10:41 PM 2/17/99 +0100, you wrote: Am still having trouble with the bowl. Is it a hemi-sphere shell of inner and outer conducting layers connected electrically together and to the battery? Don't know see how to realize a "broken" loop. I understand for the coaxial case mentioned at the first, the B-field would vary as 1/r in the space between the wire and cylinder. You require a 1/r^2 dependence. When I fiqure this out, can work on the torque. >The currents are generated in the batteries in the inner of the bowl. Their >currents goes through the bowl, flows down at the outer surface of the bowl >and goes back to the inner of the bowl into the battery. By the number of >windings and their location a defined current current density is made sure >in order to produce the effect. > >>Because the A field cannot be shielded, a broken loop of current >>is required? Is a Mu metal shield sufficient, or is the curl or curl-free A >>still required? > >The A-field is affected by the mu metal as well because the mu metal sets >boundary conditions. Div A (corrected)= 0 holds because we are in magnetostatic. See >standard books of electrodynamics like Jackson! Doesn't a magnetic shield just introduce additional closed current loop paths? I finally realize that the Lorentz gauge is the same as the "Coulomb" gauge for magnetostatics. But does Divergence(A) have any physical meaning like the A-field itself? -Dave > >Sincerly > >Dieter > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 20:39:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA27833; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:37:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:37:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990218195117.2387b39a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:51:17 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: electromagnetic induction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2uDkm.0.oo6.YgEps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8966 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Keith, Ken and all, Received the book today Keith recommended, "Flux Linkages and Electromagnetic Induction", by L.V. Bewley. It looks interesting, but have to go through it. He starts out saying he once reviewed a patent proposal for an ingenious method for generation of DC without a commutator, etc. He didn't say what the particular method was, but he found what was wrong with it. He defines a circuit as "Any closed contour in space, whether in conducting media or not..." It has several interesting examples. One, similar to Ken's recent problem, was a coil with taps wound on a magnetic core so there was a flux through the turns. Suppose one switched taps to an external circuit, wouls you expect an induced voltage? No. But supposed the coil was being wound on the magnetic core by means of a rotating cylinder. The starting end of the coil was connected to a slip ring, the other end was fed from the other side of the circuit, sort of like a winch. Would there be a voltage? Hint: the number of effective turns wound is always an integer. He mentions both "transformer" and "flux cutting" induction, and the questions about it. There continues to be controversy, for example, the 1975 ou generator/transformer by Alexander, US Pat. 3,913,004. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 18 23:30:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA10070; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:30:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: <36CD1666.2F41@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:44:38 -0600 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Electrostatic Generator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA10048 Resent-Message-ID: <"EX_Fh.0.BT2.fCHps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8968 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Here is an interesting technique to produce high voltage; ======================= From: Gabriel Lorente Organization: UNED To: jdecker@keelynet.com Dear Sir: Please find at; http://info.uned.es/electrostatic-generator/index.html a short description of the features of this new electrostatic patented generator. - Compliments - Gabriel Lorente =========================== The prototypes made and tested provided voltages in the range of 30.000-50.000 Volts, with currents of a few microamperes. It consists of four equal cylinders or rollers with their axes parallel to each other and with their surfaces kept always in contact by mean of springs. All the axes are in the same plane. They are able to rotate, without friction, remaining always in contact each cylinder with the lateral ones. The two external rollers are metallic and the two internal ones are of suitable plastic materials, but of dissimilar nature. In my models I selected teflon and nylon (because they occupy extreme opposite places in "electrostatic series"). For operation a driving force is applied to one of the rollers either by hand or with a motor. Because of this action all rollers rotate in close contact but without mutual friction. In the fringe of contact between teflon and nylon teflon receives electrons from the nylon. The surfaces of dielectric rollers so became charged respectively with electric charges of opposite signs. Because teflon and nylon are insulators, charges remain fixed where created and they do not diffuse in the bulk of material. Afterwards when the charges get in touch with metallic cylinders they migrate to them and from them, through the metallic bearings into external terminals of positive and negative sign respectively. Several prototypes have been made and tested. The diameter of the cylinders were 10ccm in some of them, 5 cm in other ones. A very small number of them could be available. Lorente's Generator or machine is patented in USA (nş 4990813) and in the European Union (nş 3665911). -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 19 15:39:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA03454; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:39:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:39:11 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgsP5k5FnBpTJgIhP7CNDmHeXr7ACFGF3lclpJNIOVedGLUKntmLW4s5Q From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:38:02 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydrogen Car Message-ID: <2261-36CDF5DA-757@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"SBaEM2.0.sr.UOVps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8969 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Just watched my local news with a story about a man from the phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't know if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect it. In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving the car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make hydrogen to run the car. WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing to see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe some day soon! (RB) P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 19 16:00:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15244; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:26:48 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The First International Conference on Free Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"1ZCFa3.0.4k3.chVps"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8970 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: =============================================================== The First International Conference on Free Energy U.S. Dept. of State Washington, D.C., USA Conference: April 29-30, 1999 Workshops: May 1, 1999 Hosted by the Secretary of State Open Forum The objective of CoFE is to: * Educate the private and public sectors about free energy * Demonstrate its capacity to perform work free of charge * Explain how it is superior to centralized power generation * Emphasize the planetary urgency for its adoption * Broaden deregulation choices free of combustion-pollution * Discuss the availability of various free energy systems * Analyze free energy science regarding input and output Scheduled Plenary Speakers: * Dr. Paul Brown, Nuclear Solutions Inc. * Dr. Edmund Storms, Los Alamos Labs (ret.) * Dr. Paulo Correa * Les Adam, AZ Industries * Dr. Peter Graneau, Center. for Electromagnetic Research, Northeastern Univ. * David Wallman * Chris Flavin, Worldwatch Institute * Dr. David Goodwin, DOE * Bruce Perrault * Chip Ransford, Nova Resources Group * Dr. Deborah D. L. Chung, SUNY/Buffalo * Dr. Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research * James Griggs, Hydro Dynamics Inc. * Kent Robertson, American Wind Energy Association For further information, contact the co-sponsor: Integrity Research Institute 1422 K Street NW Suite 204 Washington, DC 20005 202-452-7674 800-295-7674 FAX 301-513-5728 iri@erols.com http://www.erols.com/iri/ =============================================================== The First International Conference on Free Energy With the assistance of the Chairperson of the Secretary's Open Forum, the conference will be conducted under the auspices of the U. S. State Department at 2201 C Street NW, Washington, DC 20520, in the Dean Acheson Auditorium accompanied by attendees from the Dept. of State, Dept. of Energy, NASA, embassies, non-profit organizations. A separate video room will schedule continuous energy documentary videos both days. Call agent early for hotel reservations across the street from the conference: 800-777-8747. The State Department is Metro (subway) accessible. use the Foggy Bottom/GWU stop, and walk south 4 blocks. =============================================================== The First International Conference on Free Energy A conference featuring the some of the best professional scientists and inventors who have specialized in new, unconventional, and clean energy alternatives that approach the ideal of "free" energy: an ideal that sets the standard for on-site, modular power units as the electricity of the future. The emphasis for speakers will be: (1) the details of the technology, (2) how it can be utilized effectively, and additionally, (3) the implications for society upon adoption of the technical advancement. List of invited speakers: Dr. Paul Brown* Betavoltaic Batteries (possible demo) Dr. Edmund Storms* Hydrogen Technologies Overview Dr. Paulo Correa Pulsed Plasma Glow Discharge Les Adam* Peroxide Powered Helicopter (Demo!) Dr. Peter Graneau* Release of Chemical Bond Energy David Wallman* Carbon-Arc Gasification of Biomass Chris Flavin WorldWatch Renewable Energy Dr. David Goodwin* Zero Point Energy Generation Bruce Perrault* Nuclear Radiant Energy Battery (Demo) Chip Ransford* Tabletop Nuclear Transmutation (Demo) Dr. Deborah D. L. Chung* Negative Resistance and Superconductivity Dr. Tom Van Flandern* Gravity Model and Free Energy Implications James Griggs* Hydrosonic Pump Generator (cavitation) Kent Robertson* American Wind Energy Association *confirmed as of 2/1/99 Thirty Exhibitors also featured who are not speakers (as well as some who are speakers), including: Energy Information Administration (DOE), Lightworks Audio/Video, Solarex Solar Power Panels, U of Md FutureCar Team, Breakthrough Technologies Institute, Magnetizer Inc., U.S. Energy Association, Billings Corp., Fuel Cell Institute, Integrity Research Institute, Friends of the Earth, and many others. Workshops: 1. Dr. Eugene Mallove: "Assisted Nuclear Reactions"; 2. Dr. Edmond Stroms: "Technical Details" 3. Bruce Perrault: "Radiant Energy" 4. Les Adams: "From Magnets to Helicopters 5. Paul Pantone: "GEET Clean Conbustion Device" 6. Chip Ransford: "Nucleosysthesis Details" 7. Kent Robertson: "The Right Windmill for You" 8. Dr. paul Brown: "Effective Radioactive Waste Remediation" 9. Dr. Peter Graneau: "Experimental Results of Arc Discharges" 10. David Wallman: "Biomass Solution" and two other mystery guests!!! =============================================================== Conference Notes: * Videotapes. Professional quality videotapes of each speaker will be available after the conference. * Workshops. Saturday two-hour sessions are scheduled in parallel at $30. each. * Admission. No charge for admission. However, a per person cost of a gourmet catered lunch ($20) and two refreshment breaks ($5) per day, plus surcharges, has been assessed. * Hotel. A limited number of rooms set aside for CoFE attendees at the State Plaza Hotel, 2117 E St. NW, (202-861-8200, 800-424-2859) by mentioning Group #4527. * Travel. Ericson Travel (CoFE Official Agent) has deep discount travel and hotels available (301-595-7999, 800-777-8747). * Reception. Pre-conference speaker reception in the Diplomat Room of the State Plaza Hotel 7-9 PM April 28, Wednesday night. * Entertainment. Kennedy Center (walk 3 blocks ) =============================================================== Registration Form: Use one sheet for each person attending: Catering Fee: $30.00 per day, or $60.00 total: __________ Proceedings: $25.00 Each: __________ Workshops at Hotel: $30.00 each: __________ Videotapes: $20.00 each: __________ TOTAL: Use check/money order/MC/VISA/Novus/AmEx: _________________ Security Requirements for Admissions name Badge: (Sorry, no substututes for this information) U.S. Citizen Social Security #: __________________________ NOT REQUIRED! SEE BELOW. Birthdate: __________________________ Foriegn Attendee Passport #: __________________________ or Diplomatic ID #: __________________________ Birthdate: __________________________ Note: This information will be held in confidence. Name: Address: City: State: Zip: Country: Phone: Send to: Integrity Research Institute 1422 K Street NW Suite 204 Washington, DC 20005 202-452-7674 800-295-7674 FAX 301-513-5728 iri@erols.com http://www.erols.com/iri/ =============================================================== =============================================================== Transcribed into text from WORD98 files by Patrick Bailey, February 17, 1999, and emailed to the world, because Tom Valone is a friend of mine. Good Luck Tom! Dr. Patrick Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ =============================================================== Regarding the April International Free Energy Conference in WDC, per my previous email: a SSN is NOT required (thanks to Dale Pond!): Tom Valone says: and furthermore, a driver's license or US passport number is okay for the admission badge. Thanks Dale. Thanks Tom! Full email text: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:24:29 -0800 From: Thomas Valone Organization: Integrity Research Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pgb@padrak.com CC: dalesvp@ipa.net, reed@zenergy.com Subject: CoFE X-Rcpt-To: pgb@padrak.com Hi Pat, Thanks for the summary email for CoFE. Due to Dale's quoting of the legal stuff, I check with another person at the State Dept. and he said Dale was right and furthermore, a driver's license or US passport number is okay for the admission badge. Perhaps a followup email to let people know will help. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 19 16:15:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17592; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:15:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:15:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:14:27 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: R B Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car In-Reply-To: <2261-36CDF5DA-757@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"AGbz72.0.nI4.fwVps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8971 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: RB or anuone: Could you or someone elsle provide us with a few other leads so we could check this out further? Perhaps you can get details from your local station. Jorg Ostrowski ___________________________________________________________________________ On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, R B wrote: > > Just watched my local news with a story about a man from the > phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's > fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't know > if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of > science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect it. > In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine > compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving the > car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make hydrogen > to run the car. > WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing to > see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe > some day soon! > (RB) > P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 19 18:30:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27821; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:30:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:30:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199902200229.MAA07820@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts2m20.the-gc.net [203.55.161.120] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:26:22 Subject: Newmans Motor Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"yExoP1.0.So6.kuXps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8972 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am interested in building one of these electric motors. I haven't got or read his book but I get the picture. I understand the patent office wont patent it...which means you cant rip it off anyway. But I would like to build one for myself and I have some incomplete information of building instructions for 12 inch motor. Anyone know where to start (as far as building one goes). Can I make a small one like used in radio controlled scale cars or is that impossible for human hands? Does it have to be a big one? How does it work and how can I build one? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 19 19:04:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA11596; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:04:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:04:23 -0800 Message-ID: <36CE25FE.A36099B1@erie.net> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:03:26 -0500 From: Norm Biss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Newmans Motor] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------970F0A1398579D0E3A25615E" Resent-Message-ID: <"E4cea2.0.5r2.rOYps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------970F0A1398579D0E3A25615E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The forward was intended to be sent to the list for dissemination. I apologize for the error in addressing the post wrongly. Respectfully, Norm Biss Erie, Pa. 2-19-99 normpems@erie.net --------------970F0A1398579D0E3A25615E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from erie.net (pm4-37.erie.net [208.166.66.143]) by moose.erie.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26506; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:43:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36CE211B.5C52B28D@erie.net> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:42:36 -0500 From: Norm Biss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pop79@altavista.net CC: normpems@erie.net Subject: Re: Newmans Motor References: <199902200229.MAA07820@lebunka.ion.com.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0962B5DA1F0A434C530A31C9" --------------0962B5DA1F0A434C530A31C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pop, In answer to your question, I am going to direct you to a URL which will tell you most of what you want to know. My name is Norm Biss, and I COMPLETELY designed, drew-up the Blueprints for, and the Company I am employed by, built the prototype which Joe Newman is using for his Demonstrations. I am sure that you will have questions about this, but please go to the URL and read it first. Thank You. The URL: http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm Regards, Norm Biss Erie, Pa. 2-19-99 normpems@erie.net --------------0962B5DA1F0A434C530A31C9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pop,

In answer to your question, I am going to direct you to a
URL which will tell you most of what you want to know.
My name is Norm Biss, and I COMPLETELY designed, drew-up the Blueprints for, and the Company I am employed by, built the prototype which Joe Newman is
using for his Demonstrations.  I am sure that you will
have questions about this, but please go to the URL and
read it first.   Thank You.  The URL:

http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm

Regards,
Norm Biss
Erie, Pa.
2-19-99

normpems@erie.net
 
  --------------0962B5DA1F0A434C530A31C9-- --------------970F0A1398579D0E3A25615E-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 20 01:21:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA17799; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:20:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:20:51 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:20:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Millennium Bug Cartoons, Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"BKKN92.0.wL4.ovdps"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If you needs some instant dose of laughter you would love to see this. Guaranteed to make you laugh. Mehmet.>> Millennium Bug Cartoons From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 20 02:15:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA23978; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:15:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:15:02 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: pop79@altavista.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newmans Motor Message-Id: <919505684.21811.932@excite.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:14:44 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.114 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"t_Jzg2.0.Zs5.bieps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:26:22 , Pop wrote: > I am interested in building one of these electric motors. I haven't > got or read his book but I get the picture. > > I understand the patent office wont patent it...which means you cant > rip it off anyway. But I would like to build one for myself and I > have some incomplete information of building instructions for 12 inch > motor. > > Anyone know where to start (as far as building one goes). Can I make > a small one like used in radio controlled scale cars or is that > impossible for human hands? Does it have to be a big one? > > How does it work and how can I build one? > Forget it Popster. First you will have to pay for expensive air core coils; magnets on a shaft; commutation system; about the time you have spent thousands you realise that the money spent on a simple design doesnt even come close to pay dirt. I even found a sensible solution myself to the best field coil design and still did not pursue the matter any further. That was over 7 years ago. If you are a theoretical free energy enthusiast that is a good hobby project to tell your grandchildren about when you are writing novels later on concerning the past history of this device and how it was superceeded in history. HDN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pop, sweltering away in summer > Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) > pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) > pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) > WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 20 13:21:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA04081; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:21:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:21:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:53:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199902202053.VAA29310@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: New test proposals for measuring the Newman machines Cc: jnaudin509@aol.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA04043 Resent-Message-ID: <"7dUAt2.0.g_.ySops"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I have a few new ideas, how to measure effectively the mechanical output and all the losses of the Newman machine. It is the goal to measure the whole system output power incl. heat losses versus DC input power. As there is still the question, if the coil wire heats up or cools down during operation and how much mechanical output the rotor has, it would be probably the best toput the whole Newman rotor incl. coil into destilled water and measure the heat generated through stirring of the water. This would include all the heat losses due to friction of the rotor ! It must be confirmed and tested before such a run, that the water bath is very much insolated, so that the heat will not be radiated off too fast so that this could be a real calorimeter test. Attention must be paid to the commutator. The commutator should be not put under water, cause it seems, there has to be a spark at the commutator to speed up the rotor. 2. One of my last commutator tests in Dec.98 was trying to switch off the current via a water bath arc gap. I saw, that it was totally different than the air arc gap ! When I pulled an iron rod out of the water and thereby switching off the current inside the Newman coil, the spark went from this iron rod to the water surface (the other rod sitting in the tap water, the tap water was conducting the current pretty well !). At this moment there was a huge positive CURRENT spike flowing inside the coil. When I tried this without the water , just inside air (just switching off the current py pulling off the iron rod contacts), I had a NEGATIVE current spike on the scope during the hissing sound arc ! (flowing back into the battery direction) So I propose a second test, where it should be tested, if the Newman rotor runs faster, if tap water is dropped onto the commutator and thus the arcs occur on the metal-water surface rather than the metal-air contact ! Maybe JL Naudin can do this first, cause I am in this moment pretty busy with my other work and it will take about 2-3 weeks from now until I can again experiment with my Newman machine. If it is seen, that the Newman machine runs faster with water on the commutator the whole Newman machine including commutator can be put into the water. But it also has to be checked if tap water is different than destilled water regarding the arc gap at the commutator. As the huge positive current spike in the tap water arc seems also to accelerate the magnet rotor inside the coil, the RPM could be increased. This is due to the huge collapse of the coil´s magnetic field in just this short time period of the tap water arcing ! It seems, the Newman machine is highly compareable with the experiments of Chernetski and Correa. I just got a prerelease edition of the upcoming book from PACE about the Chernetski experiments called: System of Plasma with seperation of Electric charges. More about the Chernetski experiments can be found in Infinite Energy journal Volume 4, issue 20, 1998 at page 49 from Prof. Lev G. Sapogin, Moscow, Russia. Mike Carell published a good summary about Naudin´s and my recent Newman experiments in Infinite Energy journal Volume 4, issue 23, 1999 at page 31 and 32 under the title: "Joseph Newman´s Energy Machine Revisited: Studies by J.L. Naudin and S.Hartmann" Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 20 15:27:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA05952; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:26:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:26:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:26:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199902202326.AAA00339@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Cc: B777b77@webtv.net Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5j861.0.vS1.0Jqps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 18:38 19.02.99 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > Just watched my local news with a story about a man from the >phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's >fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't know >if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of >science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect it. >In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine >compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving the >car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make hydrogen >to run the car. > WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing to >see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe >some day soon! > (RB) > P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. > > Can you please try to digitize the tape via RealVideo or MPEG and put it on a WEb site ?? Can you get more infos about him ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 20 22:29:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA21950; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:28:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:28:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990221165943.007dc900@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:59:43 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: more power from the environment and other generators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oyqyW1.0.pM5.fUwps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added some stuff about turning induction motors into generators without brushes inventors claims he has made it work articles with photographs Another on someone charging battery with a coax line of 1000 feet or so. apparently some radio operaters are aware of this. Finally how turn a three phase car generator into a single phase 120v system hope it is of interest. http://fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page4.html Geoff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 00:36:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA06074; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:36:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:36:05 -0800 Message-ID: <02fb01be5d10$23b559a0$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: "David Callaghan" From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: RQM Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:31:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kXD--1.0.pU1.rLyps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All I have 'checked out' RQM as a company and all appears well. They also have real patent applications for many countries. (I think it was) the IBM patent server listed their patent and also the applications for the other countries. I requested printed literature which arrived promptly and was nicely bound, and included a copy of their US patent. RQM also said I could arrange to visit their lab at any time and bring along my own measuring equipment to test their claims. I have business in Germany in the near future which will give me some time to go and visit them. Does anyone have any advice on how to avoid common power measurement pitfalls with this device, in fact any measurement advice at all? I wouldn't like to waste a trip by using techniques that leave gaping holes. I am considering using a Voltech PM100 power analyser for the AC input. At the efficiencies they are quoting, I am considering measuring the AC input power to the digital pulse unit and discounting the consumption of the device itself, and measuring the DC output of the device using a calibrated 2 channel 250KHz/16 bit PC based storage 'scope whilst powering a resistive load for as long as possible. I need only check that their device is OU, not make exact efficiency calculations. If RQM is a scam, it is certainly very well organised and large profits have already been made. Best regards David Callaghan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 08:15:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA10835; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:15:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:15:09 -0800 Message-ID: <36D03109.CD765ECA@sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:15:06 -0800 From: Eric Tonkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car References: <199902202326.AAA00339@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IVtcf.0.Cf2.D43qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I don't know what's going on here. But I just saw that our Local Channel 2 here in Reno, NV is going to run a similar story. The anchors said the following in a brief promo: "Are you tired of putting gas in your car, tune in monday and we'll tell you about a local inventor who runs his car with tap water." I'll try to catch the broadcast and pass it along to all of you. This is either strange synchronicity or a complex disinformation strategy. My vote is for coincidence. I hope it's a credible story and not just another Fuel Cell story. Till Later, Eric vegan@sprynet.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 08:15:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA11007; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:15:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:15:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:16:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199902211616.RAA07430@ns.b.vossnet.de> X-Sender: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Subject: Re: Dieter Bauer Update: A motor proposal without brushes Cc: "Stefan Hartmann" Resent-Message-ID: <"RY1az.0.uh2.v43qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8981 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave ! You wrote >Am still having trouble with the bowl. Is it a hemi-sphere shell of inner >and outer conducting layers connected electrically together and to the >battery? It is not a hemi-shell made from mu metal, - it is a full shell housing for the batteries. By the way of winding of the wire from the batteries in the shell through the shell to the surface, along the surface and back into the inner of the shell to the battery, the current distribution necessary for a non-1/r dependence of the circular magnetic field is made sure. >Don't know see how to realize a "broken" loop. The broken loop is an ad hoc terminology by me, not a proven concept. Space is divided by the shell in two compartments, the inner of the shell and the outer of the shell. Both are isolated magnetically from another, i. e. no field line from the current in the inner of the shell reach the outer space (and vice versa) because each is shielded off by the mu metal from each other. Therefore you can regard the current in each compartment as if it is generated only in the compartment itself. Therefore we can speak about a broken loop. You can forget the other half of the loop and the other half of the magnetic space field as well. >Doesn't a magnetic shield just introduce additional closed current loop paths? There are principally two possibilities how magnetic field are explained: First is the explanation by Ampere molecular currents. The other concept is the introduction of dipols ( or spins ) which is normally out of reach of the classical theories. I can not fiddle out here where and when each version is the correct one because I lack the the experience to give a qualified judgement. Therefore, I have to restrict myself first to find useful examples and make the generalisation later if possible. However, the question is not bad because the boundary conditions of the magnetic field are derived assuming circular Ampere molecular currents in the mu metal itself. However, this does not change the fact that the field generating current is broken. >I finally realize that the Lorentz gauge is the same as the "Coulomb" gauge >for magnetostatics. But does Divergence(A) have any physical meaning like >the A-field itself? I do not know. Sincerly Dieter Bauer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 09:18:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA28428; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:18:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:18:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001301be5dbe$05d272c0$a3faf0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:16:39 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Q91U.0.1y6.a_3qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Eric, Sounds like synchronicity :-) Yes, I also would be interested in this story. Can you video tape it? Get the name of the inventor and location? I would be willing to follow up on it. Regards, Michael Randall >>> >I don't know what's going on here. But I just saw that our Local Channel 2 >here in Reno, NV is going to run a similar story. The anchors said the >following in a brief promo: >"Are you tired of putting gas in your car, tune in monday and we'll tell you >about a local inventor who runs his car with tap water." >>> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 13:30:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03166; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:30:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:30:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199902212130.WAA21688@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:15:50 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RAR3u.0.Nn.qh7qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can you give some more information about your local news station, or perhaps you can inform there about more info... excuse my accent too...:-)) ---------- > Van: R B > Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Onderwerp: Hydrogen Car > Datum: zaterdag 20 februari 1999 0:38 > > Just watched my local news with a story about a man from the > phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's > fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't know > if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of > science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect it. > In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine > compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving the > car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make hydrogen > to run the car. > WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing to > see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe > some day soon! > (RB) > P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 13:47:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08892; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:46:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:46:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199902212146.WAA23004@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:43:37 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6SzqB1.0.nA2.Hx7qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Let me first introduce myself... I'm Aris and live in the netherlands and I've been on the list and don't remember if I had introduced myself perhaps twice now... I'm interested in 'free energy' and don't think in violating the law of loss of energy... I do think it is posible to use other, not really realized, forms of energy... This to avoid any discussions that free energy device are not possible... It cost a lot of mental energy to think about a system anyway...:-))).. What I have in mind is a construction to increase the efficiency of making hydrogen... The main principle is to create electricity down deep (eg in the ocean) under water, then making hydrogen (g) en oxygen (g), which will ofcourse rise... If you make a sort of ballon connected to a generator this will create extra current you can use again to create O2 and H2... I miss some information to make exact calculations, the ones I made before were very promising, but wrong... I hope there are people on the list wo can help me calculate or support anyway with this brainwave...(perhaps here is also some synchronity too...:-))) mzzl Aris From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 14:17:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA20891; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:17:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:17:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199902212216.XAA25837@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:12:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BiNH32.0.K65.aN8qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi again, I will give the calculations which I think are correct... a) To create Hydrogen: 2 H2O + 2e- <=> H2(g) + 2 OH- (for c *2) b) To create oxygen 2 H2O <=> O2(g) + 4 H+ + 4e- c) a & b combined 6 H2O + 4e- <=> 2H2(g) + O2(g) + 4 H2O + 4e- 2 H2O <=> 2H2 + O2 ********Now is my question: how many joules 'takes' this proces??********* I have to make a phonecall and my eyes are getting square too so I send the rest later... mzzl From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 14:47:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA30916; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:47:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:47:21 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:45:45 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Re: RQM Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Cc: Robin Dye/The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions Message-ID: <199902211746_MC2-6B52-63AB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA30839 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Kwj82.0.VY7.sp8qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bruce Perrault (through Robin Dye) said: >If any of you want to view this patent I would be happy to >send it along to Bill Beaty, maybe he will post it to his >server. I can not speak for Bill Beaty, but please send me a copy. I do not have a web page. R.G. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 17:29:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA11250; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:29:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:29:01 -0800 From: Runozwritu@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:27:18 EST To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Scalar Gradiometer Experiments??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"otSzm3.0.hl2.TBBqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings! I am new to the List, so I will introduce myself. I am an Electronics Failure Analyst, working for a contract manufacturer of PCAs, (Printed Circuit Assemblies). We build boards for many major companies, including HP, CISCO, and others. I consider myself to still be a young student of electronics, (everytime I think I know something, I pickup another book which clearly indicates that I don't know much at all!) After finding Bill Beaty's site, I was impressed with it's professional layout, and the various subjects presented. (I am relearning HTML, and now adding CGI, Visual Basic and then Pearl, any suggestions?) My first interest is in Mr. Shannon's Scalar Gradiometer circuit, Weird Science (Bill Beaty's Homepages). Has anyone attempted to build and experiment with this device? If so, please contact me! Has a PCB been designed for it? I would really like to hear from you before I attempt this project. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from you all. Best Regards, Runozwritu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 18:17:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA26001; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:16:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:16:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199902220216.UAA06508@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Scalar Gradiometer Experiments??? Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:15:35 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OGJbN.0.4M6.PuBqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If after years of hard study, you find that you really know very little, then you are almost at the zenith of your intelligence. ---------- > From: Runozwritu@aol.com > To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com > Subject: Scalar Gradiometer Experiments??? > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:27 PM > > Greetings! > I am new to the List, so I will introduce myself. I am an Electronics > Failure Analyst, working for a contract manufacturer of PCAs, (Printed Circuit > Assemblies). We build boards for many major companies, including HP, CISCO, > and others. I consider myself to still be a young student of electronics, > (everytime I think I know something, I pickup another book which clearly > indicates that I don't know much at all!) > After finding Bill Beaty's site, I was impressed with it's professional > layout, and the various subjects presented. (I am relearning HTML, and now > adding CGI, Visual Basic and then Pearl, any suggestions?) > My first interest is in Mr. Shannon's Scalar Gradiometer circuit, > Weird Science (Bill Beaty's > Homepages). Has anyone attempted to build and experiment with this > device? If so, please contact me! Has a PCB been designed for it? I would > really like to hear from you before I attempt this project. > Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from you all. > > Best Regards, > Runozwritu > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 18:30:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA30802; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:30:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:30:34 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <19990221.212741.16719.1.shea6@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,9-12 From: Shaughn Shea Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:30:19 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"_G9203.0.BX7.A5Cqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Well, as appears to be the norm, I gues introductions are in order, I'm Shaughn Shea, a student in New Engand, and even more of youngster to electronics than one Runozwritu, I do have my ideas, and am here for the same reason, though more learning intensive, as I believe most of you, and while I have resume to hang my hat on, I can contribute, and will, feel free to correct what I say, for while I am strong in some areas, am I, well, considerably weaker in others. My main interest here is the production of hydrogen, not including fuel cells, for, well, no. That's my $.02 at the moment, Pax, Shaughn Shea ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 18:30:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA30874; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:30:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:30:40 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Message-ID: <19990221.212741.16719.0.shea6@juno.com> References: <199902202326.AAA00339@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-21,38,44-47 From: Shaughn Shea Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:30:19 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"BSz53.0.FY7.G5Cqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >At 18:38 19.02.99 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >> Just watched my local news with a story about a man from >the >>phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's >>fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't >know >>if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of >>science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect >it. >>In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine >>compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving >the >>car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make >hydrogen >>to run the car. >> WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing >to >>see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe >>some day soon! >> (RB) >> P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. Forgive me if this is glaring wrong, but then again that is why I subscribe to this list. I've had plans in my head for awhile to do something just like this, but with modifcations to make it commercially applicable, those concerns aside, the car, is hinged on one thing, and that is an improved form of electrolysis. The simple splitting of water with electricity into h2 and o2, the way student labs due it, and they way both gases are produced commercially. I assume it is known here, as I'm am probably the youngest lister, but hydrogen engines exhaust is solely water, as I understand it, though I'm not sure how, the oil doesn't burn with the h2 as it does in typical combustion engines, so your output is viable to be divided into its elements. Either this Phillipino did not consider this, and this is why he fills up with water, or, as I suspect, though he very likely still didn't think to cycle the fuel, that the engines simple arent efficient enough to support themselves. I believe calling it a reactor outside of the basest use of the word to be misnomer, but that could easily be the press's fault and not his own. The trick is in the electrolysis, and I m obviously missing something in my thought experiment as to why this hasn't been done before, for why couldn't one just hook up a tesla coil (or similar) to process to speed it up, and run of that? Hell, for my own good I've said too much, I have though it all out except for one portion, which this lucky guy may have figured out. It was going to pay for my way to college. Anyways, my point stands, It can be done. Shaughn Shea ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 20:49:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA09562; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:49:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:49:30 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Subject: Re: RQM Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:48:44 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d0dfd1.164275246@mail-hub> References: <02fb01be5d10$23b559a0$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <02fb01be5d10$23b559a0$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y28_T3.0.JL2.P7Eqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:31:56 -0000, David Callaghan wrote: [snip] >At the efficiencies they are quoting, I am considering measuring the AC >input power to the digital pulse unit and discounting the consumption of the >device itself, and measuring the DC output of the device using a calibrated >2 channel 250KHz/16 bit PC based storage 'scope whilst powering a resistive >load for as long as possible. I need only check that their device is OU, >not make exact efficiency calculations. > >If RQM is a scam, it is certainly very well organised and large profits have >already been made. I don't think it is a scam either, just from reading their web page. There are however a couple of things to watch out for. First AFAIK, they rely on battery measurements to determine whether or not their device is OU. Considering that the device produces some rather extreme voltage and current transients, the "battery shock" effect could be involved. The other thing to take note of (and perhaps query while you are there?), is that their device doesn't run continuously for more than a good part of a day (+- 8 hrs?). How do they get it back to the original condition such that it is then once again able to deliver power, once it has stopped? If this involves replacing (or recharging) the batteries, then I would find it rather suspect. Of course the obvious question is also "Why isn't it self sustaining?". [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 20:56:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11661; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:56:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:56:06 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:55:31 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d2e306.165096432@mail-hub> References: <199902212216.XAA25837@poindexter.wirehub.nl> In-Reply-To: <199902212216.XAA25837@poindexter.wirehub.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"di6rT2.0.2s2.cDEqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:12:57 +0100, Thunderbird wrote: [snip] >********Now is my question: how many joules 'takes' this proces??********* > >I have to make a phonecall and my eyes are getting square too so I send the >rest later... > >mzzl I think if you were to do it, you would find that it takes more energy at depth than on the surface. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 21:04:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA15322; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:04:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:04:21 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 05:03:45 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d1e1d0.164785938@mail-hub> References: <199902202326.AAA00339@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> <36D03109.CD765ECA@sprynet.com> In-Reply-To: <36D03109.CD765ECA@sprynet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"suOnh.0.Il3.LLEqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:15:06 -0800, Eric Tonkins wrote: >Hi all, > >I don't know what's going on here. But I just saw that our Local Channel 2 >here in Reno, NV is going to run a similar story. The anchors said the >following in a brief promo: >"Are you tired of putting gas in your car, tune in monday and we'll tell you >about a local inventor who runs his car with tap water." [snip] We had a similar story on the news last night. Nice shot of a car with a tray of water, and a chat with the inventor who says he uses a heavy current to electrolyze the water before burning it in the engine. No mention of the fact that this is not supposed to yield excess energy ;) And that's about all the technical info provided :(. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 22:39:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA14571; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:38:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:38:56 -0800 Message-Id: <36D0FB78.362620CA@ens.ascom.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:38:48 +0100 From: Christian Korfmacher Reply-To: korfmach@ens.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Business Systems AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RQM References: <02fb01be5d10$23b559a0$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> <36d0dfd1.164275246@mail-hub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5DoG3.0.WZ3._jFqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robin van Spaandonk schrieb: > snip > The other thing to take note of (and perhaps query while you are > there?), is that their device doesn't run continuously for more than a > good part of a day (+- 8 hrs?). How do they get it back to the original > condition such that it is then once again able to deliver power, once it > has stopped? > If this involves replacing (or recharging) the batteries, then I would > find it rather suspect. > Of course the obvious question is also "Why isn't it self sustaining?". This is exactly the question I asked them by email, but I never received an answer nor did they send me some doc I requested. Seems like they don't like scepticism. Christian From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 23:03:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA19213; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:03:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:03:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990222173350.007dea10@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:33:50 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: more power from the environment and other generators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TDjYQ2.0.5i4.f4Gqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added some stuff about turning induction motors into generators without brushes inventors claims he has made it work articles with photographs Another on someone charging battery with a coax line of 1000 feet or so. apparently some radio operaters are aware of this. Finally how turn a three phase car generator into a single phase 120v system hope it is of interest. http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page4.html Geoff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 21 23:30:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA27231; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:30:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:30:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990222180121.007decd0@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:01:21 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: more power from the environment and other generators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"txEw13.0.Of6.PUGqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added some stuff about turning induction motors into generators without brushes inventors claims he has made it work articles with photographs Another on someone charging battery with a coax line of 1000 feet or so. apparently some radio operaters are aware of this. Finally how turn a three phase car generator into a single phase 120v system hope it is of interest. http://www.Fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/page4.html Geoff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Get the complete enecyclopedia of free energy version 1 from us at no cost at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/freebies.html last updated November 1998 my postal address as follows Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 00:30:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA04005; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:29:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:29:52 -0800 Message-ID: <005101be5d74$58705960$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: "David Callaghan" From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: RQM Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:26:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dd_tt.0.U-.0MHqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Robin and All The literature RQM sent to me included some details of their self-sustaining experiments. They claim to have doubled the life of the powering batteries already and are aiming for a fully self sustaining system. At least there are no wild claims! Best regards David Callaghan -----Original Message----- From: Robin van Spaandonk >Of course the obvious question is also "Why isn't it self sustaining?". From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 04:33:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA06991; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:33:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:33:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199902221233.NAA03608@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:30:20 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE5E67.7DF80040" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3nNRA2.0.4j1.GwKqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE5E67.7DF80040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >********Now is my question: how many joules 'takes' this proces??********* > > > >I have to make a phonecall and my eyes are getting square too so I send the > >rest later... > > > >mzzl > I think if you were to do it, you would find that it takes more energy > at depth than on the surface. 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------=_NextPart_000_01BE5E67.7DF80040-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 06:00:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA08219; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 05:59:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 05:59:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902221353.OAA19323@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:51:45 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VDypk1.0.K02.LBMqs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Better??...:-)) > ---------- > Van: Thunderbird > Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Onderwerp: Re: Hydrogen > Datum: maandag 22 februari 1999 13:30 > > > > >********Now is my question: how many joules 'takes' this > proces??********* > > > > > >I have to make a phonecall and my eyes are getting square too so I send > the > > >rest later... > > > > > >mzzl > > I think if you were to do it, you would find that it takes more energy > > at depth than on the surface. > > I think you are right, perhaps there is a way to avoid this effect.. > > ) ) > ( ( > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > |\ /| > | \ / | > | \ / | > | \ / | > | \ / | > | \ / | > | A \O/ B | > | | | > |______ O______| > > In compartiment A making of O2 and H2 under Po... > If the compartiment is full then open it, the bottom O > is a joint..(I hope this is the correct word..:-) > > The two balloons with gas drive a generator, the top O > and will bring down the empty balloons which > were released from compartiment B before... > > This is just a sketch of what I have in mind... I > have something better coming up and will > draw this on paper and have to buy a scanner first, > so if you have a minute...:-)) > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 06:39:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA06894; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:39:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:39:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199902221439.IAA26470@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:24:17 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-MSgd1.0.dh1.ImMqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Don't buy a scanner. Buy a digital camera. You can use it as a scanner, plus it will do many other things. Good bargain. Joe Portman ps; it doesn't have to be expensive....$400..... ================================== ---------- > From: Thunderbird > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Hydrogen > Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 7:51 AM > > > Better??...:-)) > > > ---------- > > Van: Thunderbird > > Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Onderwerp: Re: Hydrogen > > Datum: maandag 22 februari 1999 13:30 > > > > > > > >********Now is my question: how many joules 'takes' this > > proces??********* > > > > > > > >I have to make a phonecall and my eyes are getting square too so I > send > > the > > > >rest later... > > > > > > > >mzzl > > > I think if you were to do it, you would find that it takes more energy > > > at depth than on the surface. > > > > I think you are right, perhaps there is a way to avoid this effect.. > > > > ) ) > > ( ( > > | | > > | | > > | | > > | | > > | | > > |\ /| > > | \ / | > > | \ / | > > | \ / | > > | \ / | > > | \ / | > > | A \O/ B | > > | | | > > |______ O______| > > > > In compartiment A making of O2 and H2 under Po... > > If the compartiment is full then open it, the bottom O > > is a joint..(I hope this is the correct word..:-) > > > > The two balloons with gas drive a generator, the top O > > and will bring down the empty balloons which > > were released from compartiment B before... > > > > This is just a sketch of what I have in mind... I > > have something better coming up and will > > draw this on paper and have to buy a scanner first, > > so if you have a minute...:-)) > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 08:54:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA18430; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:53:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:53:12 -0800 From: "felis catus" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01be5e83$5ae16440$4edd82d1@cat> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E8_01BE5E59.720B5C40" Resent-Message-ID: <"0cLoe1.0.tV4.ujOqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01BE5E59.720B5C40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00E9_01BE5E59.720B5C40" ------=_NextPart_001_00E9_01BE5E59.720B5C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is some material on hydrogen research. (the Holy Grail may be 'real'?!);I wrote this as a direct letter to group member Shaugn Shea, = and am posting it to the group. The Nakamatsu GIF article on hydrogen = generation is posted to Engineer Bill Beatty, as the file is too large to be posted = to this newsgroup.(>40kb file limit) Also, the abstract on "Properties of = Brown's Gas"and Bedini's Index page for his website-it is also too = large. What I am talking about I have personally seen and experienced, and know "Brown's Gas"-monoatomic hydrogen and oxygen in stoichometric proportion- is a reality and practical for use in the = 'real' world. i remain- felis catus felis@frontiernet.net Shaugn: Concerning the Hydrogen powered car-well I have some = material for you that you and others in the group can take serious look at. At = the next to last conference of the International Tesla Society, two years = ago I saw inventor/mechanic George Wiseman's demo of "Brown's Gas" Browns Gas = was invented by Bulgarian refugee inventor Yull Brown. It is monatomic = oxygen and hydrogen in stoichometric proportions. Of course, the dominant = paradigm in chemistry/physics says the practical generation of such a thing is impossible... But I have seen a demonstration of this with my own eyes. This phenomena has unique properties-which-if you built and demonstrated = a Brown's gas torch could take you to PhD level studies and = beyond...First, Brown's Gas can sublimate or weld anything on earth-the temperature of = the flame automatically adjusts to the melting point of the object being = heated. Second, it does a perfect weld, first time-every time. Some years ago, = I took a welding course at night school. The hardest part of welding metals-what stopped me from going further-is the many hundreds of hours = of practice needed to weld aluminium to aluminium with a heliarc torch...I = just could not do it right... But with the Brown's Gas torch at the Tesla symposium I picked up the torch and did a weld that our teacher in = welding class would have been proud of... Other unique properties-one could = glaze and fire pottery-such as small pieces to make jewellery in minutes, as opposed to hours in a conventional kilm. Cost of generation is less = than one fifth of oxy-acetylene. The brown's Gas generator is completely = safe, since it only generates gas as needed, a litre or two at a time-you do = not have to worry about big explosive tanks of gas-fire safety = issues...Abstract of Brown Patent 4081656: This invention relates to welding, brazing or the like utilising a = mixture of hydrogen and oxygen generated in substantially stoichiometric proportions in an electrolytic cell by electrical dissociation of water, = the mixture so generated being passed from the generator through a flashback arrestor and thence to a burner where the gases are ignited. The = invention also relates to atomic welding in which the above mentioned mixture is passed through an arc causing dissociation of both the hydrogen and = oxygen into atomic hydrogen and oxygen which on recombination generate an = intensely hot flame. I can hear the required sceptical questioning from "Thunderbird", Robin = Van Spaandonk, and others in the group. First, Yull Brown's Patents: US = Patent 4,081,656 and 4,014,777. You can download them/have a peek at: "...There is a website on the Internet maintained by IBM corporation that has a file of US Patents going back over twenty years. The user is able to call up an image-copy of the original patent-text and drawings-on this website ,if they type in the patent number.(do NOT use commas when typing in patent number!) The internet address of this site is: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com The images of the patent page on the computer screen can be captured by a screen saver such as Hypersnap and stored on the 'C' drive of the users computer as readable image files in BMP,GIF or JPEG format. To save the patent images and text in readable format, it is advisable to save them as BMP or Windows Bitmap files. Hypersnap is shareware, and is fully functional. It is designed to work in the Windows95 and NT environment, and can be downloaded from: http://www.hyperionics.com/www.snap32.htm For users of Windows 3.1 there is wcaptr31.zip, or capture3.zip available as shareware from: http://www.rad.kumc.edu/win31/clipbrd.htm A Macintosh version of Hypersnap called Screen Catcher exists; there is a link for this on the Hypersnap WebPages. The full address for this is: http://www.stclairsw.com/ScreenCatcher/index.html You can then scan the image file into readable format using an OCR recognition program like Caere Omni Page Pro... George Wiseman is a researcher's joy. He is selling fully documented material as to how to make a Brown's Gas generator. As I have told = Engineer Bill Beatty from my life experiences in alternative science(which had nothing to do with the topics now being discussed here) 'invent and grow rich' is a fallacy and many of these promising ideas seem to disappear = into the Memory Hole Of History. [I wonder why? Greed?] Wiseman is aware of = this and has adopted the philosophy of open disclosure-selling his written = work to make a living. Its all complete, rigorously written, and everything = is there. Build and see for yourself... For info, go to his web page: http://www.eagle-research.com/products/pbrowng.html Or website: www.eagle-research.com (he is into other things as well) He = is a craftsman with this Brown's Gas-what he says-he delivers. George is a Thomas Edison style inventor-largely self-educated and a "hands on" = type. As to the theory of how Brown's Gas is produced, Brown used the = resonance ideas a.k.a. Nikolai Tesla. What happens to the chandelier in the opera house When The Fat Lady Sings? He is using electrolysis, but with a difference-hitting the water molecule with a square wave in a unique capacitive voltage divider circuit that is almost lossless...Resonance,resonance, resonance-look to the teachings of the = great Nikola Tesla to explain Brown's work... Because of the Brown's Gas generator's unique welding capabilities some of your friends in the fine arts may be fascinated with it. The flame does some unique and = unexplored effects to materials-what new 'esthetic' effects would be seen, for instance, with pottery glazes and surface finishes on metals? George has = two sets of plans available-a small jewellers torch for $15 and a commercial grade torch for $25. This is real, down to earth-and it works. The = only thing standing in your way is the theoretical prejudices of your = professors at University. If you can get it working in the small jeweller's model, = I would suggest what to some would be an unlikely source of support-the = Fine Arts department of your University. A sculptor faculty member who works with metal would see the practical use-a drastic reduction in electric = bill, vs. an "electric arc" welding torch, user safety,(no large Oxy acet = tanks) and unknown properties of the flame that might produce new and unusual artistic effects... On the practical engineering level-a = speculation-what would Brown's Gas do in the fabrication of semiconductors-would we get = new and as of yet unexplored effects that could make money? This is = completely unknown-no one has tried. Concerning our 'over-unity' hydrogen gas generation-Yull Brown did this = in Australia with his Brown's Gas Generator. See Wiseman's Books-he = documents it with citations from the Australian press. [c.f.: "Fire From Water", articles Part I, II, III, by Christopher Bird. Published by Raum and = Zeit Magazine, now "Explore" magazine. Part I in Volume 3. Number 2,1992 Of = Raum and Zeit. Part II, in Volume 3, Number 3, 1992 of Raum and Zeit. Part = III in Volume 3, Number 6, 1992 Explore adrs: Explore, POBox 1508, Mount = Vernon, Washington, 98273,USA] Scientist Yull Brown was disturbed, to say the least, after he demonstrated running his car with water on Australian = TV. I quote inventor Wiseman: "...there is both passive and direct = interference from 'vested interest' groups that control technology that would be made obsolete by Brown's Gas technology. Shots were actually fired into his kitchen. He had to have a special vehicle built to protect himself. Attempts to slander him were mostly successful. For a few years after = his demonstrations, Yull Brown was able to accomplish very = little..."[Brown's Gas Book I, pp7] Inventor Wiseman has been able to accidentally = replicate this in his workshop, but not consistently. He does not understand how Brown did it, and passes on his experience as an incentive to other experimenters. Yull Brown is not talking, and his discovery of 'how to' will probably die with him. He is currently a resident alien in USA, in California. See Georges' page-a masterwork of corporate espionage has = been done to this poor trusting soul of an inventor. [ If someone,let us say, joins the Green Berets or US Army Intelligence at the legal minimum age = of 17 with parents permission, they can retire just before their 40th birthday. What do you think such men./women do after their retirement? Corporate security/spying on other corporations is far more lucrative financially than joining a local police department .These people are = 'old hands' at "black bag" espionage jobs like what happened to Yul Brown in Australia...] See George's Webpage for the story. I will not say more-journalistic chit-chat,invective and slander are not my purpose in writing to you here-sharing factual information with the group is. At the International Tesla Society Conference, George shared a = newspaper reference on another alternative generator that split the water = molecule. A respected inventor-Yoshiro Nakamatsu- did it. He is no crackpot-he = invented the digital electric wristwatch you wear on your arm and the computer = floppy disk. He also has more patents than any inventor-alive or dead-and is called the "Edison of Japan". An article in the DAILY NEWS, Fort Walton Beach, Florida May 4,1990 by R.Reid called "Inventors Flock To = Exposition" is attached here. (for members of group, this "Watergen.GIF" is sent to Engineer Bill Beatty, because GIF of this article is too large-80kb-for posting in discussion group. Bill will have to upload it to Weird = Science homepage) Common sense tells me-he patented this, but as a Japanese = patent. The known search engines for these patents are not accessible in the = English language. Anyone in the group, perhaps, have a wife or significant = other who is of Japanese origin,has a basic technical education, and reads the language? They would have to hand search the Japanese Patent Office archives to find this little gem...Anyway-I did find a Nakamatsu battery patent(see insert) about a very interesting battery charger-its technology-using square waves-is very similar on the surface to the = supposed Bedini over-unity battery charging device. See his WebPages:http://www.nidlink.com/~john1/index.html Note:The writer has been unable to consistently access this page,a = warning that the server was down appeared. Email=3D john1@nidlink.com I like your attitude-your heart as well as your head appears to be in = the right place. Seeing is believing-if you could build and demonstrate the small Brown's Gas generator to an open minded faculty member at your University-you might get somewhere. Its 'cutting edge' (literally = speaking) technological research and could have rich rewards for you both = personally and financially if you handle yourself 'right'. The furthest you should = talk or go publicly is showing/demo of Brown's Gas torch at the University. = Keep the other things said here'under your hat'...Why, you may ask? Go To Engineer Bill Beatty's "weird science" homepages and look about his collection of articles on 'scientific whistleblowers' and heretics/innovators. To succeed in this you must be as talented with personal politics as you are as a scientist/engineer and in working with your hands to construct a working model of this stuff. 'The proof of = the pudding is in the eating', as the British say-the only chance you have = is a working demo and an open-minded prof(s) to witness it under laboratory conditions at University. Most Establishment scientists look at this apparent 'over unity' material like a mediaeval Catholic inquisitor = looked at heresy-your scientific career and job prospects will be burned at the stake. It happened to me, and I'm passing a "word to the wise" along to you, friend.=20 =20 Enjoy, and do the best you can. I remain- felis catus felis@frontiernet.net -----Original Message----- From: Shaughn Shea To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:34 PM Subject: Introduction >Well, as appears to be the norm, I gues introductions are in order, > >I'm Shaughn Shea, a student in New Engand, and even more of youngster = to >electronics than one Runozwritu, I do have my ideas, and am here for = the >same reason, though more learning intensive, as I believe most of you, >and while I have resume to hang my hat on, I can contribute, and will, >feel free to correct what I say, for while I am strong in some areas, = am >I, well, considerably weaker in others. My main interest here is the >production of hydrogen, not including fuel cells, for, well, no. That's >my $.02 at the moment, >Pax, > > Shaughn Shea > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at = http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Picture Attachments: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ---- File: Watergen (1).gif -----Original Message----- From: Thunderbird To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car >Can you give some more information about your local news station, or >perhaps you can inform there about more info... > >excuse my accent too...:-)) >---------- >> Van: R B >> Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Onderwerp: Hydrogen Car >> Datum: zaterdag 20 februari 1999 0:38 >> >> Just watched my local news with a story about a man from = the >> phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's >> fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't = know >> if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of >> science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect = it. >> In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine >> compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving = the >> car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make = hydrogen >> to run the car. >> WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing = to >> see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe >> some day soon! >> (RB) >> P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. > > ------=_NextPart_001_00E9_01BE5E59.720B5C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is some material on hydrogen research. (the Holy Grail may=20 be
'real'?!);I wrote this as a direct letter to group member Shaugn = Shea,=20 and
am posting it to the group. The Nakamatsu GIF article on hydrogen = generation
is posted to Engineer Bill Beatty, as the file is too = large to be=20 posted to
this newsgroup.(>40kb file limit) Also, the abstract on=20 "Properties of Brown's Gas"and Bedini's Index page for his = website-it=20 is also too large.   What I am talking about I have personally = seen=20 and
experienced, and know "Brown's Gas"-monoatomic hydrogen = and=20 oxygen in
stoichometric proportion- is a reality and practical for = use in the=20 'real'
world.
i remain-
felis catus
felis@frontiernet.net
Shaugn= :
           &n= bsp;=20 Concerning the Hydrogen powered car-well I have some material
for you = that=20 you and others in the group can take serious look at.  At = the
next to=20 last conference of the International Tesla Society, two years ago = I
saw=20 inventor/mechanic George Wiseman's demo of "Brown's Gas"  = Browns=20 Gas was
invented by Bulgarian refugee inventor Yull Brown.  It = is=20 monatomic oxygen
and hydrogen in stoichometric  proportions. Of = course,=20 the dominant paradigm
in chemistry/physics says the practical = generation of=20 such a thing is
impossible... But I have seen a demonstration of this = with my=20 own eyes.
This phenomena has unique properties-which-if you built and = demonstrated a
Brown's gas torch could take you to PhD level studies = and=20 beyond...First,
Brown's Gas can sublimate or weld anything on = earth-the=20 temperature of the
flame automatically adjusts to the melting point = of the=20 object being heated.
Second, it does a perfect weld, first time-every = time.  Some years ago, I
took a welding course at night = school. =20 The hardest part of welding
metals-what stopped me from going = further-is the=20 many hundreds of hours of
practice needed to weld aluminium to = aluminium with=20 a heliarc torch...I just
could not do it right...  But with the = Brown's=20 Gas torch at the Tesla
symposium I picked up the torch and did a weld = that=20 our teacher in welding
class would have been proud of...  Other = unique=20 properties-one could glaze
and fire pottery-such as small pieces to = make=20 jewellery  in minutes, as
opposed to hours in a conventional = kilm. =20 Cost of generation is less than
one fifth of oxy-acetylene. The = brown's Gas=20 generator is completely safe,
since it only generates gas as needed, = a litre=20 or two at a time-you do not
have to worry about big explosive tanks = of=20 gas-fire safety issues...Abstract
of Brown Patent 4081656:
This = invention=20 relates to welding, brazing or the like utilising a mixture
of = hydrogen and=20 oxygen generated in substantially stoichiometric
proportions in an=20 electrolytic cell by electrical dissociation of water, the
mixture so = generated being passed from the generator through a = flashback
arrestor and=20 thence to a burner where the gases are ignited. The invention
also = relates to=20 atomic welding in which the above mentioned mixture is
passed through = an arc=20 causing dissociation of both the hydrogen and oxygen
into atomic = hydrogen and=20 oxygen which on recombination generate an intensely
hot = flame.


I=20 can hear the required sceptical questioning from = "Thunderbird", Robin=20 Van
Spaandonk, and others in the group.  First, Yull Brown's = Patents: US=20 Patent
4,081,656 and 4,014,777. You can download them/have a peek=20 at:
       "...There is a website = on the=20 Internet maintained by IBM
corporation that has a file of US Patents = going=20 back over twenty
years. The user is able to call up an  = image-copy of=20 the original
patent-text and drawings-on this website ,if they type = in=20 the
patent number.(do NOT use commas when typing in patent = number!)
The=20 internet address of this site is:
http://patent.womplex.ibm.com&= nbsp; The=20 images of the patent page on
the computer screen can be captured by a = screen=20 saver such as
Hypersnap and stored on the 'C' drive of the users = computer=20 as
readable image files in BMP,GIF or JPEG format. To save = the
patent=20 images and text in readable format, it is advisable to
save them as = BMP or=20 Windows Bitmap files.   Hypersnap is
shareware, and is = fully=20 functional.   It is designed to work  in
the Windows95 = and NT=20 environment, and can be downloaded from:
http://www.hyperionics= .com/www.snap32.htm =20 For users of Windows
3.1 there is wcaptr31.zip, or capture3.zip = available as=20 shareware
from: http://www.rad.kumc.ed= u/win31/clipbrd.htm  =20 A Macintosh
version of Hypersnap called  Screen Catcher exists; = there is=20 a
link for this on the Hypersnap WebPages. The full address = for
this is:=20 http://www.stc= lairsw.com/ScreenCatcher/index.html =20 You
can then scan the image file into readable format using an=20 OCR
recognition program like Caere Omni Page Pro...

George = Wiseman is=20 a researcher's joy.  He is selling fully documented
material as = to how=20 to make a Brown's Gas generator.  As I have told Engineer
Bill=20 Beatty  from my life experiences in alternative science(which=20 had
nothing to do with the topics now being discussed here) 'invent = and=20 grow
rich' is a fallacy and many of these promising ideas seem to = disappear=20 into
the Memory Hole Of History. [I wonder why? Greed?]  Wiseman = is=20 aware of this
and has adopted the philosophy of open = disclosure-selling his=20 written work
to make a living. Its all complete, rigorously written, = and=20 everything is
there.  Build and see for yourself... For info, go = to his=20 web page:
http://www.e= agle-research.com/products/pbrowng.html
Or=20 website: www.eagle-research.com (he=20 is into other things as well)  He is
a craftsman with this = Brown's=20 Gas-what he says-he delivers.  George is a
Thomas Edison style=20 inventor-largely self-educated and a "hands on" type.
As to = the=20 theory of how Brown's Gas is produced, Brown used the resonance
ideas = a.k.a.=20 Nikolai Tesla. What happens to the chandelier in the opera
house When = The Fat=20 Lady Sings?  He is using electrolysis, but with = a
difference-hitting the=20 water molecule with a square wave in a unique
capacitive voltage = divider=20 circuit that is almost
lossless...Resonance,resonance, resonance-look = to the=20 teachings of the great
Nikola Tesla to explain Brown's work...  = Because=20 of the Brown's Gas
generator's unique welding capabilities some of = your=20 friends in the fine
arts may be fascinated with it. The flame does = some=20 unique and unexplored
effects to materials-what new 'esthetic' = effects would=20 be seen, for
instance, with pottery glazes and surface finishes on = metals?=20 George has two
sets of plans available-a small jewellers torch for = $15 and a=20 commercial
grade torch for $25.  This is real, down to earth-and = it=20 works.  The only
thing standing in your way is the theoretical=20 prejudices of your professors
at University. If you can get it = working in the=20 small jeweller's model, I
would suggest what to some would be an = unlikely=20 source of support-the Fine
Arts department of your University.  = A=20 sculptor faculty member who works
with metal would see the practical = use-a=20 drastic reduction in electric bill,
vs. an "electric arc" = welding=20 torch, user safety,(no large Oxy acet tanks)
and unknown properties = of the=20 flame that might produce new and unusual
artistic effects...  On = the=20 practical engineering level-a speculation-what
would Brown's Gas do = in the=20 fabrication of semiconductors-would we get new
and as of yet = unexplored=20 effects that could make money? This is completely
unknown-no one has=20 tried.
Concerning our 'over-unity' hydrogen gas generation-Yull Brown = did=20 this in
Australia with his Brown's Gas Generator. See Wiseman's = Books-he=20 documents
it with citations from the Australian press.  [c.f.:=20 "Fire From Water",
articles Part I, II, III, by Christopher = Bird.=20 Published by Raum and Zeit
Magazine, now "Explore" = magazine. Part I=20 in Volume 3. Number 2,1992 Of Raum
and Zeit. Part II, in Volume 3, = Number 3,=20 1992 of Raum and Zeit. Part III in
Volume 3, Number 6, 1992 Explore = adrs:=20 Explore, POBox 1508, Mount Vernon,
Washington, 98273,USA]  = Scientist=20 Yull Brown was disturbed, to say the
least, after he demonstrated = running his=20 car with water on Australian TV. I
quote inventor Wiseman: = "...there is=20 both passive and direct interference
from 'vested interest' groups = that=20 control technology that would be made
obsolete by Brown's Gas=20 technology.  Shots were actually fired into his
kitchen.  = He had to=20 have a special vehicle built to protect himself.
Attempts to slander = him were=20 mostly successful.  For a few years after his
demonstrations, = Yull Brown=20 was able to accomplish very little..."[Brown's
Gas Book I, = pp7] =20 Inventor Wiseman has been able to accidentally replicate
this in his=20 workshop, but not consistently.  He does not understand = how
Brown did=20 it, and passes on his experience as an incentive to=20 other
experimenters.  Yull Brown is not talking, and his = discovery of=20 'how to'
will probably die with him.  He is currently a resident = alien=20 in USA, in
California.  See Georges' page-a masterwork of = corporate=20 espionage has been
done to this poor trusting soul of an inventor. [ = If=20 someone,let us say,
joins the Green Berets or US Army Intelligence at = the=20 legal minimum age of
17 with parents permission, they can retire = just =20 before their 40th
birthday.  What do you think such men./women = do after=20 their retirement?
Corporate security/spying on other corporations is = far more=20 lucrative
financially than joining a local police department .These = people=20 are 'old
hands' at "black bag" espionage jobs like what = happened to=20 Yul Brown in
Australia...] See George's Webpage for the story.  = I will=20 not say
more-journalistic chit-chat,invective and slander are not my = purpose=20 in
writing to you here-sharing factual information with the group=20 is.
   At the International Tesla Society Conference, = George shared=20 a newspaper
reference on another alternative generator that split the = water=20 molecule. A
respected inventor-Yoshiro Nakamatsu- did it.  He is = no=20 crackpot-he invented
the digital electric wristwatch you wear on your = arm and=20 the computer floppy
disk.  He also has more patents than any=20 inventor-alive or dead-and is
called the "Edison of = Japan". =20 An article in the DAILY NEWS, Fort Walton
Beach, Florida May 4,1990 = by R.Reid=20 called "Inventors Flock To Exposition"
is attached here. = (for=20 members of group, this "Watergen.GIF" is sent to
Engineer = Bill=20 Beatty, because GIF of this article is too large-80kb-for
posting in=20 discussion group. Bill will have to upload it to Weird=20 Science
homepage)  Common sense tells me-he patented this, but = as a=20 Japanese patent.
The known search engines for these patents are not=20 accessible in the English
language.  Anyone in the group, = perhaps, have=20 a wife or significant other
who is of Japanese origin,has a basic = technical=20 education, and reads the
language?  They would have to hand = search the=20 Japanese Patent Office
archives to find this little gem...Anyway-I = did find a=20 Nakamatsu battery
patent(see insert) about a very interesting battery = charger-its
technology-using square waves-is very similar on the = surface to=20 the supposed
Bedini over-unity battery charging device. See=20 his
WebPages:http://www.nidlink.com/~john1/index.html
Note:The = writer has=20 been unable to consistently access this page,a warning
that the = server was=20 down appeared.
Email=3D john1@nidlink.com
I like your=20 attitude-your heart as well as your head appears to be in the
right = place.=20 Seeing is believing-if you could build and demonstrate the
small = Brown's Gas=20 generator to an open minded faculty member at your
University-you = might get=20 somewhere. Its 'cutting edge' (literally speaking)
technological = research and=20 could have rich rewards for you both personally
and financially if = you handle=20 yourself 'right'. The furthest you should talk
or go publicly is = showing/demo=20 of Brown's Gas torch at the University. Keep
the other things said = here'under=20 your hat'...Why, you may ask?  Go To
Engineer Bill Beatty's = "weird=20 science" homepages and look about his
collection of articles on=20 'scientific whistleblowers' and
heretics/innovators.  To succeed = in this=20 you must be as talented with
personal politics as you are as a=20 scientist/engineer and in working with
your hands to construct a = working=20 model of this stuff.  'The proof of the
pudding is in the = eating', as=20 the British say-the only chance you have is a
working demo and an = open-minded=20 prof(s) to witness it under laboratory
conditions at = University.  Most=20 Establishment scientists look at this
apparent 'over unity' material = like a=20 mediaeval Catholic inquisitor looked
at heresy-your scientific career = and job=20 prospects will be burned at the
stake.  It happened to me, and = I'm=20 passing a "word to the wise" along to
you, = friend. 

 

 Enjoy, and do the best you can. I remain-

felis = catus
felis@frontiernet.net
-----O= riginal=20 Message-----
From: Shaughn Shea <shea6@juno.com>
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Date= : Sunday,=20 February 21, 1999 9:34 PM
Subject: Introduction


>Well, = as=20 appears to be the norm, I gues introductions are in = order,
>
>I'm=20 Shaughn Shea, a student in New Engand, and even more of youngster=20 to
>electronics than one Runozwritu, I do have my ideas, and am = here for=20 the
>same reason, though more learning intensive, as I believe = most of=20 you,
>and while I have resume to hang my hat on, I can contribute, = and=20 will,
>feel free to correct what I say, for while I am strong in = some=20 areas, am
>I, well, considerably weaker in others.  My main = interest=20 here is the
>production of hydrogen, not including fuel cells, = for, well,=20 no. That's
>my $.02 at the moment,
>Pax,
><stepping = off the=20 soapbox>
> Shaughn=20 Shea
>
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>Get=20 completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.htm= l
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thunderbird = <avd@wirehub.nl>
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Date= : Sunday,=20 February 21, 1999 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Hydrogen = Car


>Can you=20 give some more information about your local news station, = or
>perhaps you=20 can inform there about more info...
>
>excuse my accent=20 too...:-))
>----------
>> Van: R B <B777b77@webtv.net>
>> = Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com
>>= =20 Onderwerp: Hydrogen Car
>> Datum: zaterdag 20 februari 1999=20 0:38
>>
>>       &nb= sp;   =20 Just watched my local news with a story about a man from the
>> = phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as = it's
>>=20 fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't=20 know
>> if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local=20 department of
>> science and technology said he does have = something if=20 he can perfect it.
>> In the very short clip it showed him = pouring=20 water into the engine
>> compartment onto a tray of some kind, = and then=20 it showed him driving the
>> car.He calls his device a reactor = that=20 splits the water to make hydrogen
>> to run the=20 car.
>>       WE have all heard = this=20 stuff before but to me it was refreshing to
>> see actual = footage of it=20 even it was just for a few seconds.    Maybe
>> = some day=20 soon!
>>         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;       =20 (RB)
>>    P.S.  I did record it. Please = forgive my=20 spelling.
>
>
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PATENT ABSTRACTS OF = JAPAN
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(22) Date of filing : 26.06.95 		(71) Applicant : NAKAMATSU YOSHIRO
(72) Inventor : NAKAMATSU YOSHIRO
(54) HIGH-EFFICIENCY = GENERATOR
(57) Abstract:

PURPOSE: To make the efficiency of AC generation high and to prolong the = lives of cells, by=20 providing a capacitor or battery in parallel to killed cells and storing = energy, discharging it=20 adding it to their output when the cells are made alive.=20

CONSTITUTION: Cells 4 and 5 for obtaining positive and reverse outputs = by the irradiation of light,=20 heat, cosmic energy, etc., are arranged on divided-into- four circles = having a center at a shaft 12,=20 and magnetic poles 14 having coils 13 for causing their currents to flow = are provided corresponding=20 to the cells arranged on the divided-into-four circles, and permanent = magnets 15 which rotate around=20 the shaft 12 as a center by attraction or repulsion corresponding to the = magnetic poles 14 are=20 arranged. Generated power of cells 17 is charged in a capacitor or = battery when light to the cells 4=20 is shut, and generated power of cells 18 is charged in a capacitor or = battery when light to the=20 cells 5 is shut. When the cells 5 are irradiated the outputs of the = cells 18 and discharge from the=20 capacitor or battery flow into the coil 13. As the result, the lives = become long since the cells do=20 not deteriorate. Energy efficiency becomes high since an AC can be = obtained directly without a=20 converter.



COPYRIGHT: = (C)1997,JPO
------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01BE5E59.720B5C40-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 10:37:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA22119; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:37:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:37:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199902221837.TAA08942@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Camera's Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:35:00 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BfVaR2.0.RP5.VFQqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In holland flatbedscanners 9600dpi are about 100 gilders ($60 I guess)... Which is I think a good the investment for improving my desktop.... About camera's I'm really excited off this semiprofessional Canon (or Kodak) machine... Pretty expensive but if I can sell it with to friends as an company investment, it wil cost me about $1600 including videocard, then we can do 95% professional broadcasting... I wait a while cause there are many new things coming on... I do already have a small kodak (or canon) camera but I've lost the CD...:-((( ---------- > Van: Joe Portman Sr. > Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Onderwerp: Re: Hydrogen > Datum: maandag 22 februari 1999 15:24 > > Don't buy a scanner. Buy a digital camera. You can use it as a scanner, > plus it will do many other things. Good bargain. > Joe Portman > ps; it doesn't have to be expensive....$400..... > ================================== > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 11:01:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA30602; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:01:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <36D1AA06.165B153F@harti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:03:34 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pietro Castellotti , Free Energy Subject: Re: Chernetski plasma device References: <000b01bc20a6$a5fe55e0$2fa0f3c2@i1y5x7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1AV5b1.0.2U7.xbQqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Pietro Castellotti wrote: > > Hi Stefan > I send you this files Frolov.asc And Plasmafe.txt from KeelyNet BBS, > on > Chernetsky experiment. > > The KeelyNet site is: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.txt > > Why is the title of book on Chernetsky device from PACE, and what is > the editor of this book? > > Regard, Pietro Okay, thanks for the 2 files. I will read them carefully ! I just loaned Dieter Bauer the book preview copies. It will be published by Planetary Asscociation of Clean Energy (PACE) by Andrew Michronsky or something like this. There are block circuit diagrams of LCR circuits feeding the plasma tube, so it can oscillate. The Source is a 400 to 1000 Volts DC power supply. The most important thing is the current density inside the plasma, it needs to be more than 100 A /m^2 ! Chernetski used hydrogen gas as the plasma medium ! About 5 times the input power can be reached as the output power ! I will report more, when I will have done a few experiments ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 11:02:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA30899; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:02:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:02:26 -0800 Message-ID: <36D1AA7C.23272EBD@harti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:05:32 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car References: <199902202326.AAA00339@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> <36D03109.CD765ECA@sprynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DZF5h.0.eY7.1dQqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Eric Tonkins wrote: > > Hi all, > > I don't know what's going on here. But I just saw that our Local Channel 2 > here in Reno, NV is going to run a similar story. The anchors said the > following in a brief promo: > "Are you tired of putting gas in your car, tune in monday and we'll tell you > about a local inventor who runs his car with tap water." > > I'll try to catch the broadcast and pass it along to all of you. This is > either strange synchronicity or a complex disinformation strategy. My vote > is for coincidence. I hope it's a credible story and not just another Fuel > Cell story. > > Till Later, Eric > vegan@sprynet.com Please report more and videotape it ! Thanks ! regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 11:07:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA01068; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:07:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:07:17 -0800 Message-ID: <36D1AB9D.9EDA8992@harti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:10:21 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy Subject: Re: Chernetski plasma device References: <000b01bc20a6$a5fe55e0$2fa0f3c2@i1y5x7> <36D1AA06.165B153F@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GoyVA3.0.YG.YhQqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > There are block circuit diagrams of LCR circuits feeding the > plasma tube, so it can oscillate. > The Source is a 400 to 1000 Volts DC power supply. > > The most important thing is the current density inside the > plasma, it needs to be more than 100 A /m^2 ! > Chernetski used hydrogen gas as the plasma medium ! P.S: Also the pressure is important. It only works in 1.5 to 2.0 Torr pressure ! > > About 5 times the input power can be reached as the output power ! > > I will report more, when I will have done a few experiments ! > > Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 11:19:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA06274; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:18:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:18:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199902221918.UAA14007@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:15:49 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1KvqT.0.qX1.UsQqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Well as a sceptic I agree with you a lot... My problem is that I haven't seen any overunity device but I do believe it is possible... And I'm willing to pay $25 dollars for some papers if you say this Brown machine works... If it doesn't work I will get my revenge by doing a internet course and I will hack / crack every conspiracy in the world cause you ripped me off...:-)).. Perhaps I can find your adress and I will personally visit you to get my money back..:-))).. So far my scepsis, now the conspiracy... When I was young I tried also doing something with 'green-cars' and an official state buro for advising companies, I had a company, advised me not wasting energy to build anything cause I would be 'sabotaged' (I use this word cause I can't find something else).. Soo the period there after I got really paranoid and everthing I did failed, probably not because of 'green berets', just because off my self... Now I am used to live under great stress I am starting to miss it...:-)).. Referring to your article I do agree that the only way is to achieve something is to be able to build and lobby.. This combination is very rare but I do like to give it a shot down here in the Netherlands... Or is this a dangerous thing to do..??.. grtzz **************************************************************************** ******** I like your attitude-your heart as well as your head appears to be in the right place. Seeing is believing-if you could build and demonstrate the small Brown's Gas generator to an open minded faculty member at your University-you might get somewhere. Its 'cutting edge' (literally speaking) technological research and could have rich rewards for you both personally and financially if you handle yourself 'right'. The furthest you should talk or go publicly is showing/demo of Brown's Gas torch at the University. Keep the other things said here'under your hat'...Why, you may ask? Go To Engineer Bill Beatty's "weird science" homepages and look about his collection of articles on 'scientific whistleblowers' and heretics/innovators. To succeed in this you must be as talented with personal politics as you are as a scientist/engineer and in working with your hands to construct a working model of this stuff. 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating', as the British say-the only chance you have is a working demo and an open-minded prof(s) to witness it under laboratory conditions at University. Most Establishment scientists look at this apparent 'over unity' material like a mediaeval Catholic inquisitor looked at heresy-your scientific career and job prospects will be burned at the stake. It happened to me, and I'm passing a "word to the wise" along to you, friend. Enjoy, and do the best you can. I remain- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 12:47:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA01804; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:47:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:47:16 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQbt97QnOm0wzJCAq3DH+a+lQ97KQIVAKs4JDnt82JFYkkdL9YF7XeOWML4 From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:47:09 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Message-ID: <25184-36D1C24D-145@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann)'s message of Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:26:37 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-634916091-62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"gBLrU.0.wR.H9Sqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --WebTV-Mail-634916091-62 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I've sent a message to my local news station requesting more info on the man and his car. Will post when I hear something back. I have no way of putting the tape on a website, sorry.The clip was really short,around 15 seconds,and my earlier post explained preatty much all there was to see. The station is WISH 8 in Indiana if you would like to do a search, and e-mail them yourself. (RB) --WebTV-Mail-634916091-62 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-122.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:26:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from smtp.hb.vossnet.de (smtp.hb.vossnet.de [212.53.196.3]) by mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id PAA19738; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from leoguitar (dialup218.b.vossnet.de [212.53.204.218]) by smtp.hb.vossnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00339; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:26:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:26:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199902202326.AAA00339@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Cc: B777b77@webtv.net At 18:38 19.02.99 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > Just watched my local news with a story about a man from the >phillipeans that has built a device to run a car from water as it's >fuel. Daniel (Dingal?), they pronounced his name as spelled, Don't know >if it's correct,He insists it's not a hoax. The local department of >science and technology said he does have something if he can perfect it. >In the very short clip it showed him pouring water into the engine >compartment onto a tray of some kind, and then it showed him driving the >car.He calls his device a reactor that splits the water to make hydrogen >to run the car. > WE have all heard this stuff before but to me it was refreshing to >see actual footage of it even it was just for a few seconds. Maybe >some day soon! > (RB) > P.S. I did record it. Please forgive my spelling. > > Can you please try to digitize the tape via RealVideo or MPEG and put it on a WEb site ?? Can you get more infos about him ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com email: harti@harti.com --WebTV-Mail-634916091-62-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 14:15:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA32122; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:14:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:14:40 -0800 Message-ID: <36D1D51E.11B73121@harti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:07:26 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Schadach, Dirk" Subject: Re: The First International Conference on Free Energy: April?99 in Washington DC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jgdBM.0.lr7.GRTqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yes, it will be the most interesting free energy since long time. Also it seems to be an official date, that free energy technology gains support in mainstream physics... If anybody goes there, please report on the free energy lists. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. "Schadach, Dirk" wrote: > > Dear friends, hallo liebe Freunde > > if somebody of you (or your friends) is going to join this conference, > please tell me about. > Because of my job I have no time to go. > > Have a good week. > > Dirk > > >---------- > >Von: pgb@padrak.com[SMTP:pgb@padrak.com] > >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Februar 1999 02:21 > >An: pgb@padrak.com > >Cc: iri@erols.com > >Betreff: The First International Conference on Free Energy: April in WDC > > > >=============================================================== > > > >The First International Conference on Free Energy > > > >U.S. Dept. of State > >Washington, D.C., USA > > > >Conference: April 29-30, 1999 > >Workshops: May 1, 1999 > > > > > >Hosted by the Secretary of State Open Forum > > > > > >The objective of CoFE is to: > > > >* Educate the private and public sectors about free energy > >* Demonstrate its capacity to perform work free of charge > >* Explain how it is superior to centralized power generation > >* Emphasize the planetary urgency for its adoption > >* Broaden deregulation choices free of combustion-pollution > >* Discuss the availability of various free energy systems > >* Analyze free energy science regarding input and output > > > > > >Scheduled Plenary Speakers: > > > >* Dr. Paul Brown, Nuclear Solutions Inc. > >* Dr. Edmund Storms, Los Alamos Labs (ret.) > >* Dr. Paulo Correa > >* Les Adam, AZ Industries > >* Dr. Peter Graneau, > > Center. for Electromagnetic Research, Northeastern Univ. > >* David Wallman > >* Chris Flavin, Worldwatch Institute > >* Dr. David Goodwin, DOE > >* Bruce Perrault > >* Chip Ransford, Nova Resources Group > >* Dr. Deborah D. L. Chung, SUNY/Buffalo > >* Dr. Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research > >* James Griggs, Hydro Dynamics Inc. > >* Kent Robertson, American Wind Energy Association > > > >For further information, contact the co-sponsor: > > > >Integrity Research Institute > >1422 K Street NW > >Suite 204 > >Washington, DC 20005 > >202-452-7674 > >800-295-7674 > >FAX 301-513-5728 > >iri@erols.com > >http://www.erols.com/iri/ > > > >=============================================================== > > > >The First International Conference on Free Energy > > > > > >With the assistance of the Chairperson of the Secretary's Open Forum, the > >conference will be conducted under the auspices of the U. S. State > >Department at 2201 C Street NW, Washington, DC 20520, in the Dean Acheson > >Auditorium accompanied by attendees from the Dept. of State, Dept. of > >Energy, NASA, embassies, non-profit organizations. A separate video room > >will schedule continuous energy documentary videos both days. > > > >Call agent early for hotel reservations across the street from the > >conference: 800-777-8747. > > > >The State Department is Metro (subway) accessible. use the Foggy > >Bottom/GWU stop, and walk south 4 blocks. > > > >=============================================================== > > > >The First International Conference on Free Energy > > > >A conference featuring the some of the best professional scientists and > >inventors who have specialized in new, unconventional, and clean energy > >alternatives that approach the ideal of "free" energy: an ideal that sets > >the standard for on-site, modular power units as the electricity of the > >future. > > > >The emphasis for speakers will be: (1) the details of the technology, (2) > >how it can be utilized effectively, and additionally, (3) the implications > >for society upon adoption of the technical advancement. > > > >List of invited speakers: > > > >Dr. Paul Brown* > >Betavoltaic Batteries (possible demo) > > > >Dr. Edmund Storms* > >Hydrogen Technologies Overview > > > >Dr. Paulo Correa > >Pulsed Plasma Glow Discharge > > > >Les Adam* > >Peroxide Powered Helicopter (Demo!) > > > >Dr. Peter Graneau* > >Release of Chemical Bond Energy > > > >David Wallman* > >Carbon-Arc Gasification of Biomass > > > >Chris Flavin > >WorldWatch Renewable Energy > > > >Dr. David Goodwin* > >Zero Point Energy Generation > > > >Bruce Perrault* > >Nuclear Radiant Energy Battery (Demo) > > > >Chip Ransford* > >Tabletop Nuclear Transmutation (Demo) > > > >Dr. Deborah D. L. Chung* > >Negative Resistance and Superconductivity > > > >Dr. Tom Van Flandern* > >Gravity Model and Free Energy Implications > > > >James Griggs* > >Hydrosonic Pump Generator (cavitation) > > > >Kent Robertson* > >American Wind Energy Association > > > >*confirmed as of 2/1/99 > > > >Thirty Exhibitors also featured who are not speakers (as well as some who > >are speakers), including: Energy Information Administration (DOE), > >Lightworks Audio/Video, Solarex Solar Power Panels, U of Md FutureCar Team, > >Breakthrough Technologies Institute, Magnetizer Inc., U.S. Energy > >Association, Billings Corp., Fuel Cell Institute, Integrity Research > >Institute, Friends of the Earth, and many others. > > > >Workshops: > > > >1. Dr. Eugene Mallove: "Assisted Nuclear Reactions"; > >2. Dr. Edmond Stroms: "Technical Details" > >3. Bruce Perrault: "Radiant Energy" > >4. Les Adams: "From Magnets to Helicopters > >5. Paul Pantone: "GEET Clean Conbustion Device" > >6. Chip Ransford: "Nucleosysthesis Details" > >7. Kent Robertson: "The Right Windmill for You" > >8. Dr. paul Brown: "Effective Radioactive Waste Remediation" > >9. Dr. Peter Graneau: "Experimental Results of Arc Discharges" > >10. David Wallman: "Biomass Solution" > >and > >two other mystery guests!!! > > > >=============================================================== > > > >Conference Notes: > > > >* Videotapes. > > > >Professional quality videotapes of each speaker will be available after the > >conference. > > > >* Workshops. > > > >Saturday two-hour sessions are scheduled in parallel at $30. each. > > > >* Admission. > > > >No charge for admission. However, a per person cost of a gourmet catered > >lunch ($20) and two refreshment breaks ($5) per day, plus surcharges, has > >been assessed. > > > >* Hotel. > > > >A limited number of rooms set aside for CoFE attendees at the State Plaza > >Hotel, 2117 E St. NW, (202-861-8200, 800-424-2859) by mentioning Group > >#4527. > > > >* Travel. > > > >Ericson Travel (CoFE Official Agent) has deep discount travel and hotels > >available (301-595-7999, 800-777-8747). > > > >* Reception. > > > >Pre-conference speaker reception in the Diplomat Room of the State Plaza > >Hotel 7-9 PM April 28, Wednesday night. > > > >* Entertainment. > > > >Kennedy Center (walk 3 blocks ) > > > >=============================================================== > > > >Registration Form: > > > >Use one sheet for each person attending: > > > > > >Catering Fee: $30.00 per day, or $60.00 total: __________ > > > >Proceedings: $25.00 Each: __________ > > > >Workshops at Hotel: $30.00 each: __________ > > > >Videotapes: $20.00 each: __________ > > > >TOTAL: > > > >Use check/money order/MC/VISA/Novus/AmEx: _________________ > > > > > >Security Requirements for Admissions name Badge: > >(Sorry, no substututes for this information) > > > >U.S. Citizen Social Security #: __________________________ > > > > Birthdate: __________________________ > > > >Foriegn Attendee Passport #: __________________________ > > > >or Diplomatic ID #: __________________________ > > > > Birthdate: __________________________ > > > >Note: This information will be held in confidence. > > > >Name: > > > >Address: > > > >City: > > > >State: > > > >Zip: > > > >Country: > > > >Phone: > > > >Send to: > > > >Integrity Research Institute > >1422 K Street NW > >Suite 204 > >Washington, DC 20005 > >202-452-7674 > >800-295-7674 > >FAX 301-513-5728 > >iri@erols.com > >http://www.erols.com/iri/ > > > >=============================================================== > >=============================================================== > > > >Transcribed into text from WORD98 files by Patrick Bailey, > >February 17, 1999, and emailed to the world, > >because Tom Valone is a friend of mine. > > > >Good Luck Tom! > > > >Dr. Patrick Bailey > >President, Institute for New Energy > >http://www.padrak.com/ine/ > > > >=============================================================== > > > > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 14:39:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA08671; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:39:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:39:16 -0800 Message-ID: <36D1DD46.E0F9696A@harti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:42:14 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Negative resistance with carbon epoxy mixture ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"udlqW2.0.O72.JoTqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has anybody heard about this "free energy" generating device from the research.buffalo.edu university ? They have invented some kind of Negative resistance with carbon epoxy mixture, which puts out electricity for free ! It was reported in Infinite Energy journal some weeks ago. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 15:43:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA31029; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:43:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:43:16 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Message-Id: <919726970.24701.566@excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:42:50 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.166 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"XZwza1.0.ka7.KkUqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:49:47 -0500, felis catus wrote some useful info about Browns gas. I am working on a different angle: > At http://dallastexas.net/keelynet/archive/00000903.htm I made an entry entitled Brown and Meyer Hybrid. Before this I was quite surprised to recieve an enquire from taiwan concerning the manufacture of Browns gas electrolisizors. Now I wanted to get into this business because of the lucrative possibilities. So I secured the means to produce a first unit according to cost cutting measures.I can applaud George Wiseman for freely disseminating this technology via a non-profit corporation but the fact remains that business is just that. So it is probably good for him or if we are to understand more properly that the actual worldwide rights to the ER1150 Water Torch are owned by Gobbons Limited; West Indies as licensed to Fused Heat Ltd. of Calgary AB;Canada which then can be directed as a reply to them that it is good for them to have some competition. It will keep them on their toes giving the consumer the best buy a la Bill Gates. They claim to be the best and for $7800 US currency I hope it is. At the bottom of the brochure is a clever saying "Just Ask Our Competition;if you can find any." Where there is a will there is a way. It is my understanding that this Co uses circular stamped stainless steel plates also with holes inpregnated for the holding rods resulting in a great waste of the most expensive component; that of the T-314 stainless steel used in the 120 plates used in series for this 240 volt industrial model. The first automobile was also expensive and even though I have been accused of lacking common sense it makes more sense to me to make a rectangular plate of 6 inches by 6 inches when the manufacturer supplies these sheets in a 10 feet by 4 feet item. Also by using the best known weldable plastic material known as high density polyethelene the use of holding rods can also be circumvented by simply placing grooves on two sides of the rectangular poly containment vessel which is designed for actual plate removal and replacement which concievably might become necessary after years of use. So one should have a model of a file holder here in ones mind and to also know that each plate might have more tolerance allowances to fit in place after employing a conventional shearing process to take this 10 ft by 4 ft stainless sheet and turning it into 160 cut squares at less than $100.00 cutting cost with virtually no scrap. I wonder what the comparable stamping cost and waste are? Some people also accuse me of wondering too much which was the subject of my questioning in the above archived G Wiseman reply which essentially says that it doesnt matter what the area of the plates are because the current to the device or electrolysizor can be limited by placing a cap in series. While that may be true some of us inquisitive minds would like to know what the maximum conduction might be without using capacitive limiting so that the least amount of expensive stainless steel area might be utilized; thereby again reducing the potential cost to the consumer. Finally to end this post I am putting these 30 coils in a binary resonant system exactly as noted which will give me a decided advantage compared to simple capacitive limiting; where this new method in which a high voltage 700 volt pulse that immediately diminishes to the smallest voltage enabling conduction to take place serves to enable a higher dielectric internal charge separation prior to electrolysis to occur. A rotary arc gap adaptation using two electrodes @ 1800 rpm will serve to enable the AC 700 volt pulse to be mechanically commutated in a interaction of 8 stationary electrodes. The advantage of mechanical commutation is that the arc gaps enable a high frequency carrier to be superimposed on the dc voltage burst. Rather then hundreds of pulses per second this method is theorized to produce thousands. The use of diodes to rectify this signal will not contain this effect. Also the use of this mechanical system can determine the pulse duration clipped at the precise point in the resonant rise of voltage where the capacitance contains the full storage of charge. This 1800 synchro motor has been ordered today; hopefully in around two weeks some results of this post can be made. Harvey D. Norris tesla4@excite.com PS the method used in this design should make possible the use of a large parallel plate electrolysizor instead of 60 2 volt cells in series as Wiseman uses. This in turn may be a cheaper design cost factor. The way the BRS system acts is to supply the least voltage to enable conduction which supervents the problem of assembling 60 cells in series from a conventional voltage source. I have referred to this BRS voltage source as an UNOBVIOUS voltage potential in the past because the voltage across a load under these conditions is directly dependendent on its resistance. The disadvantage of the coil system I am using in this BRS application is that only 6 amps maximum conduction across electrolysizor can occur which is not a lot of power input for generating Browns gas. However the expected efficiency is hoped to be high. I can supply limited amounts of 6 by 6 inch stainless steel plates (T-314 @ 20 gauge, thicker than Wiseman suggestion) to anyone wishing to make an electrolysizor designed in a square fashion.) _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 16:48:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA21567; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:48:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:48:20 -0800 Message-ID: <36D224B3.327C@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:46:59 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Gradiometer Experiments??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AVf1E.0.uG5.KhVqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Runozwritu@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings! > I am new to the List, so I will introduce myself. I am an Electronics > Failure Analyst, working for a contract manufacturer of PCAs, (Printed Circuit > Assemblies). We build boards for many major companies, including HP, CISCO, > and others. I consider myself to still be a young student of electronics, > (everytime I think I know something, I pickup another book which clearly > indicates that I don't know much at all!) Thats always the best part! > After finding Bill Beaty's site, I was impressed with it's professional > layout, and the various subjects presented. (I am relearning HTML, and now > adding CGI, Visual Basic and then Pearl, any suggestions?) > My first interest is in Mr. Shannon's Scalar Gradiometer circuit, > Weird Science (Bill Beaty's > Homepages). Has anyone attempted to build and experiment with this > device? If so, please contact me! Has a PCB been designed for it? I would > really like to hear from you before I attempt this project. > Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from you all. > > Best Regards, > Runozwritu Thanks for your interest. Many people have built Gradiometers, and some have even improved the electrometer input circuit for more stable operation. I am not aware of any PCB having been produced however. It sure would make the device much easier to duplicate. If you have any questions, please ask. (If I seem to be slow to respond, its probably because I'm traveling a bit) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 19:11:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03022; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:10:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:10:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004001be5ed9$d4f82920$a7ec060c@dlackey> From: "davelook" To: "FREE ENERGY" Subject: anomolous heat:anomolous radiations Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"XPs0d3.0.5l.amXqs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Maybe there's a connection between radioactivity from the radioactive elements and the heat we're finding in the rare earth materials, (platinum, etc)... From... http://soteria.com/brown/docs/space.htm Abstract: The discovery by Charles Francis Brush of an unexplained heating effect in certain materials is strikingly reminiscent of the discovery of radioactivity by Henri Becquerel which led to the isolation of radium by the Curies. Recent studies have indicated a certain parallelism between the radioactive elements and the rare earth elements, revealing the possibility of a spontaneous release of energy (in this instance in the form of heat alone) by the rare earth elements. Thus, the newly discovered "thermoactivity" may bear the same relationship with the rare earth elements as "radioactivity" bears with the radioactive elements. In all probability the source of the energy represented in thermoactivity will be found in the complex unstable electronic shells of the rare earth atoms, and not in the nuclei as in radioactivity. The anomalous gravitational properties of the rare earth elements and their wide-spread but tenuous occurrence in nature point to other parallels with the radioactive elements such as decay of activity and critical limits of mass. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 19:45:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08054; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:44:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:44:45 -0800 (PST) To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:33:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Chernetskii and Negative resistance Message-ID: <19990222.193307.6726.0.tv@juno.com> References: <36D1DD46.E0F9696A@harti.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,7-8,11-16,18-41 From: Tim Vaughan Resent-Message-ID: <"Mh2Hf3.0.kz1.fGYqs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan. Isn't negative resistance also a good description of the Chernetskii device also ? I have wondered if a fluorescent light tube would be worth a try. I blew one up trying something similar to Chernetskii. Glass went everywhere. Be careful and wear goggle and put a shield around the tube. Correa claims he has detected the PAGD effect in fluorescent tubes. I too heard about the negative resistance with carbon composite resistors and it sure sounded like a "free energy: device. Strange, it seems to have gone underground. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:42:14 +0100 Stefan Hartmann writes: > >Has anybody heard about this "free energy" generating device from >the research.buffalo.edu >university ? > >They have invented some kind of >Negative resistance with carbon epoxy mixture, >which puts out electricity for free ! > >It was reported in Infinite Energy journal >some weeks ago. > >Regards, Stefan. > > >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 19:54:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA25986; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:53:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:53:41 -0800 From: Runozwritu@aol.com Message-ID: <3fe4c61c.36d22577@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:50:15 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Scalar Gradiometer Experiments??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ZgU51.0.lL6.5PYqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Bob, Thanks for the reply. Bill Beaty recommended that I contact you. Your article on Bill's site caught my interest. I have to do serious stuff all day long, yet, ironically, I started into electronics as a hobby, years ago. The day-to-day routine is seldom FUN. Your SEG project looks like fun. If you have details for the mods you mentioned to the circuit, please send them on. I will after the initial breadboard, I will try to find the time to set down and design the PCB. I am not really interested in selling completed units, as Bill mentioned, but something might be arranged later, with permissions. If possible, I would really like to hear of the experiments you and others have conducted. As far as responding, please take your time. I am in the 'information gathering' stage with this project, and as a habit, like to do these right. Once I am past this stage, it will be a different matter. Best Regards, Runozwritu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 20:07:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA32138; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:07:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:07:04 -0800 From: Runozwritu@aol.com Message-ID: <8c507121.36d228ae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:03:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"YPee93.0.3s7.dbYqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings, The torch device described has been in successful use for many years. If you run across a jeweler/metalsmith set up in a shopping mall, take a look at the torch. Most likely, it generates it's own fuel from H2O. Malls require this kind unit for insurance reasons. Mr. Norris, it sounds like you are leading the way with this project. Please keep us informed. (There are several projects I would like to try this technology on!) Best Regards, Runozwritu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 20:13:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02363; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:13:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:13:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199902230403.PAA29504@turbo.turboweb.net.au> From: "Scott Waring" To: Subject: Re: more power from the environment and other generators Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:23:37 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oAOte3.0.oa.fhYqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have you seen the new Quantum heat pump ? What do you think ? Its supposed to be a third of off peak hot water costs Scott From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 20:21:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA05556; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:21:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:21:15 -0800 Message-ID: <36D22D7B.C2AC193F@harti.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:24:27 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tv@juno.com Subject: Re: Chernetskii and Negative resistance References: <36D1DD46.E0F9696A@harti.com> <19990222.193307.6726.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rstst1.0.jM1.xoYqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim Vaughan wrote: > > Hi Stefan. > > Isn't negative resistance also a good description of the Chernetskii > device also ? Yes ! > I have wondered if a fluorescent light tube would be worth a try. I blew Yes, I wanted to try it first with such a tube ! > one up trying something similar to Chernetskii. Glass went everywhere. How did you do it ? > Be careful and wear goggle and put a shield around the tube. Okay. >Correa > claims he has detected the PAGD effect in fluorescent tubes. > I see, sound realistic ! How much current did he put into it at which DC voltage ?? > I too heard about the negative resistance with carbon composite resistors > and it sure sounded like a "free energy: device. Strange, it seems to > have gone underground. Have you heard anything about it ? Regards, Stefan. > > Tim > > ( tv@juno.com ) > > On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:42:14 +0100 Stefan Hartmann > writes: > > > >Has anybody heard about this "free energy" generating device from > >the research.buffalo.edu > >university ? > > > >They have invented some kind of > >Negative resistance with carbon epoxy mixture, > >which puts out electricity for free ! > > > >It was reported in Infinite Energy journal > >some weeks ago. > > > >Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 20:33:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11653; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:33:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:33:43 -0800 Message-ID: <36D23067.8BF824C2@harti.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:36:55 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Coler converter explanation ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5QXCg.0.wr2.d-Yqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, one thing might be worth investigating: The flowing of the current inside the iron bar magnet of the Coler converter (coils are soldered directly to the iron bar magnet, so the current flows through it..) could toggle the mu-R factor of the iron bar magnet metal low or high. This way one could design B-H diagrams, where you have a right drawn (clockwise running) energy area, which gives off energy, so you can generate energy for free this way ! Maybe this is the key effect for free energy production in the Coler devices ? Fred Epps had mentioned something along these lines and Dieter Bauer told me that there is an old Nature article about changing the mu-R Factor via running a DC current in an iron bar rod. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 22:45:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA13390; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:45:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:45:17 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: keelynet@dallastexas.net Subject: BRS/Negative resistance Message-Id: <919752295.6690.296@excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:44:55 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.103 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"UrLpd.0.7H3.yvaqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: No one would ordinarily seek to short the midpoints of two opposite series resonant circuits because it is assumed that because the laws of dc amperage conduction show that current takes the path of least resistance;that the same analogy exists concerning AC impedance. Nothing could be further from the truth. The condition of two series resonant branches in parallel is supposed to represent two purely resistive branches of cancelled reactances that should predominate in a choice of current conduction; yet when the branch current of maximum impedance is offered as a choice of current conduction across the midpoints of oppositely phased series resonant branches in parallel the path of lesser resistance and ZERO impedance is completely ignored and the path of maximum impedance is taken. To me this constitutes a DISCOVERY previously not observed in which electrical laws seem to be turned upside down. In the dual 56 Henry prototype the difference between resistive conduction and midpoint conduction at maximum impedance is 18/1 and 180/1 as regards the input amperage.In conventional electrical thinking then two possible amperage conditions represent themselves in parallel; one path will enable 180 ma @ 120 v AC of cancelled reactances in parallel;the other path will allow 1 ma conduction input which is the chosen path. I think this circuit actually qualifies as STRANGE SCIENCE. Ordinarily this may not be the case but considerations of placing a very long length wire coiled to establish an air core coil making an appreciable magnetic field by virtue of tens of thousands of winds the situation is made whereby the circuit is interupted long before the complete transmission of the signal can reach the end of the wire at the speed of light. Other geometric considerations exist that this signal is not dependent upon its actual propagation speed and will appear as multiples of the original echoe by other mechanisms of induction whereby the phenomenon of a faster than light signal can be easily be dismissed. I agree with this viewpoint. However this also implies that more electrons in oscillation exist inside the coil in the form of interior echoes than are expressed in the action of electrons entering and leaving the coil. This should be something that can be experimentally determined by the amount of magnetic field which again is determined by amount of actual electron flow in a copper magnetic coil. Essentially a discrepancy should occur in measured field strength if this effect takes place since magnetic field is proportional to electron flow in these non saturating air core coils. Certain experiments were made where a typical quarter wavelength effect was stimulated by a double gap arc excitation in which a suspected magnification of voltage was observed in the same effect observed in tesla coils. This served to show that the available voltage at midpoint could be increased by these traditional methods. In one of these experiments the arcing went beyond the traditional small violet discharge into a very thick white discharge containing much more amperage than was possible. This was done by making a large difference between dielectric constants between electric field plates interacting in the space of magnetic field action of the coils. The net result of this experiment was some kind of transient backlash that gave me a negative amperage reading on the solid state meter before it became useless and fried. Brown puncture high voltage marks were found on the white double 110 insulated wire to the 440 transformer input lines. This transformer later ceased functioning indicating damage from this experiment. I would classify this kind of accident as an actual effect of negative resistance encountered with so many different variables that I know 9 times out of 10 that if the same variables again were applied that the same result might never again be achieved. It is worth noting in retrospect that everything is not known and this personal experience conveyed to me the actual possibility of a free energy effect existing as a potential reality that may someday be futher understood and hopefully exploited. HDN tesla4@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 23:02:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA17476; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:02:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:02:52 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: keelynet@dallastexas.net Subject: Three Mile Island Message-Id: <919753346.29294.477@excite.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:02:26 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.103 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"LHmme1.0.zG4.RAbqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Since the meltdown in which 40,000 units of mass weight became fused no further orders for nuclear plants have been made in the USA according to cable documentary. Does this mean the nuclear industry is dead? HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Feb 22 23:36:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA23136; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:35:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:35:40 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6f21a5.36d259f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:34:16 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Y2K Alert - 2/22/1999 - Cities in trouble, begin warning residents Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"jCsn1.0.Of5.Cfbqs"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In today's public e-mail alert: ___________________________________ * Blockbuster report: D.C. officials speak the truth * Citizens are on their own * D.C. services will definitely fail * Portland, Oregon urging 100% self-sufficiency * Y2K could bring D.C. to a halt * Very little arguing over the fact: D.C. is in trouble * Priases to D.C. officials for telling the truth! * No guarantee of public safety * But there are few personal safety alternatives * The city is about to violate its ultimate responsibility: assurance of public safety * Quick, make ourselves immune to lawsuits * How many more cities will face the same situation? * Cities begin alerting the public * Portland wants households to be self-sufficient * Courageous Mayor nails it * Neighborhood patrols? * If Y2K hits Portland, there will be no panic! * Oregon allows its citizens to defend themselves * You're not really on your own Find it all at: http://www.y2knewswire.com/19990222.htm New in today's (paid) On-Line Preparedness Community: * New tips: making your own (cheap) firestarters, generators on auction, alternate food supplier, auto tires tip * New FAQs: buying older surplus MREs, shelf life of canned meats, buying credit card insurance, food-grade liners for storage containers * Product review: update on generators, who has them, who is backlogged, which models are available, upcoming review on small Coleman unit If you're a (paid) member, log in at: http://www.y2ksupply.com/members/99/login.htm To learn more about becoming a member, visit: http://www.y2ksupply.com/community1.htm _____________________________________________ Visit the Tell-A-Friend form. Share Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM with someone who deserves to know! http://www.y2knewswire.com/tellafriend.asp _____________________________________________ View each day's Y2K headlines at the site: http://www.y2knewswire.com (Updated every morning between 9 - 12, Mountain time.) _____________________________________________ This e-mail message is subject to the following disclaimer: http://www.y2knewswire.com/Index.asp?pageid=disclaimer _____________________________________________ To be removed from this e-mail list, simply go to the following web address: http://www.y2knewswire.com/u.asp?E=support@arialsoftware.com Or: http://www.y2knewswire.com/remove.htm _____________________________________________ HOW TO REACH US: If you have a compliment: compliments@y2knewswire.com If you have a complaint: complaints@y2knewswire.com For any other comments: comments@y2knewswire.com >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 03:10:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA21737; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:10:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:10:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199902230257.SAA03669@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: spleonard@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:54:20 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Steve Leonard Subject: Another Introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JaUoY3.0.UJ5.Poeqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi! I too am very new to this mailing list group. Little of my background: I have a physics degree of many years ago, plus amount twenty years of engineering experience. which translates my "real" understanding of physics is probably very not much at all. I live in central Virginia in Lynchburg and work as an engineer for a local manufacturing firm. Over the last few months, I stumbled across some "Free Energy" web sites. I became extremely interested. These concepts stray far from conventional physics. I have, in particular, become interested in the work of Bruce DePalma and his homopolar generator. I have begun some preliminary design work /"thought experiments" on some homoploar designs. My goal is to take these experiments a step further and bulit some prototypes. Enough said. I enjoy reading the postings and I hope I can contribute as well. Steve Leonard Steve (spleonard@earthlink.net) :-) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 06:41:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA28665; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:41:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:41:30 -0800 Message-ID: <36D2BED9.F92B7142@harti.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:44:41 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Coler converter, Nature article found ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"exb5A2.0.o_6.Quhqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dieter Bauer told me the page where he has seen it: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a Superimposed Circular Field Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 In the picture: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/fig1.gif you can see, if you use curve B you have a right turning energy circle, which gives off energy ! (clockwise rotation) This might be the function principle of the Coler converter ! Regards, Stefan. Hi, one thing might be worth investigating: The flowing of the current inside the iron bar magnet of the Coler converter (coils are soldered directly to the iron bar magnet, so the current flows through it..) could toggle the mu-R factor of the iron bar magnet metal low or high. This way one could design B-H diagrams, where you have a right drawn (clockwise running) energy area, which gives off energy, so you can generate energy for free this way ! Maybe this is the key effect for free energy production in the Coler devices ? Fred Epps had mentioned something along these lines and Dieter Bauer told me that there is an old Nature article about changing the mu-R Factor via running a DC current in an iron bar rod. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 08:28:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA31040; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:28:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:28:11 -0800 Message-ID: <36D2D7BA.62333B3@harti.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:30:50 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy Subject: Re: -8 Ohm means 8 Volts and 1 Amp out ?? References: <25900D9CD517D111B8C100805FA6FDD0C81D23@earth.amex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w5SzC1.0.ra7.RSjqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "Monahan, Russell" wrote: > > Stefan. wrote > >Has anybody heard about this "free energy" generating device from > >the research.buffalo.edu > >university ? > > >They have invented some kind of > >Negative resistance with carbon epoxy mixture, > >which puts out electricity for free ! >> Here's two buffalo.edu news links. > http://www.buffalo.edu/news/Latest/ChungResistance.html > http://www.buffalo.edu/news/Latest/ChungResistance2.html > Release Date: EMBARGOED UNTIL 7/9/98 Contact: Ellen Goldbaum Phone: 716-645-2626 E-mail: goldbaum@newsb.buffalo.edu SUPERCONDUCTION AT ROOM TEMPERATURE: NEGATIVE ELECTRICAL RESISTANCE SEEN IN CARBON COMPOSITES LAS VEGAS -- Materials engineers at the University at Buffalo have made two discoveries that have enabled carbon-fiber materials to superconduct at room temperature. The related discoveries were so unexpected that the researchers at first thought that they were mistaken. Led by Deborah D.L. Chung, Ph.D., UB professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering, the engineers observed negative electrical resistance in carbon-composite materials, and zero resistance when these materials were combined with others that are conventional, positive resistors. Their observation of zero resistance is the first time that this has been seen without cooling. Zero resistance has been seen in superconducting materials, but only at temperatures of 125 degrees Kelvin, about -150 degrees Centigrade or -234 degrees Fahrenheit. Without resistance, there is no energy loss, so the amount of energy that is put into a system is exactly the amount that it produces. According to the researchers, the discovery has the potential to lead to much faster, far- more-efficient electronic devices, previously assumed to be possible only with the development of room-temperature superconductors. Potential applications include much-simpler, more-powerful electronic circuits in computers and far-more-efficient "smart" structural components for aircraft and concrete structures. The research was presented here today (July 9, 1998) in a keynote address at the fifth International Conference on Composites Engineering by Chung, who holds the Niagara Mohawk Chair in Materials Research at UB. "We have achieved zero resistance without cooling and without a superconducting material," said Chung. "With structural electronics, the structural composite itself can act as the electrical circuitry, but the fibers in the composite are far less conductive than copper. Our research shows that it is possible to overcome that resistance and make these structural electronics far more efficient," she said. This finding of negative resistance flies in the face of a fundamental law of physics: Opposites attract. Chung explained that in conventional systems, the application of voltage causes electrons -- which carry a negative charge -- to move toward the high, or positive end, of the voltage gradient. But in this case, the electrons move the other way, from the plus end of the voltage gradient to the minus end. "In this case, opposites appear not to attract," said Chung. The researchers are studying how this effect could be possible. Chung, working with Shoukai Wang, a UB doctoral candidate in mechanical and aerospace engineering, made the discovery while conducting research on the intrinsic electrical properties of carbon composites related to developing "smart materials," in which she has played a leading role. Chung explained that it is the unusually high pressure used to cure the carbon-epoxy composite that appears to be responsible for the finding. "We were looking at the effect of curing pressure on the junction between carbon-fiber layers, and were making electrical measurements of the interface," she said. "When we saw the negative resistance at the interface, we didn't believe it for quite a few months. But after checking and rechecking our connections, using different meters over a period of time and observing the continuous change of resistance from positive to zero and then to negative values during curing, we came to realize that what we were seeing was truly negative resistance." According to Chung, an unknown mechanism must be at work that is being triggered by sufficient contact between the layers of carbon fibers. In the experiments, two layers of carbon fibers oriented in different directions and bound together by epoxy, Portland cement or pressure demonstrated negative resistance as low as -8 ohms for a contact area of one square centimeter. (An ohm is a unit that measures electrical resistance.) The researchers noted that absolute zero resistance can be achieved when the values of positive and negative resistors connected in series match exactly. "It's a matter of tailoring them to make them exactly the same," said Chung. A patent application has been filed on the invention. Previous patents filed by other researchers on negative resistance have been limited to very narrow ranges of the voltage gradient. In contrast, the UB researchers have exhibited negative resistance that does not vary throughout the entire gamut of the voltage gradient. Companies that are interested in technical information on the invention should contact the UB Office of Technology Transfer at 716-645-3811 or by e-mail at lohrman@research.buffalo.edu. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 08:58:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA08405; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:58:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:58:44 -0800 Posted-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:55:01 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <36D2DD3B.815649CF@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:54:19 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex , freenrg Subject: Light at 17 m/sec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aM0gz3.0._22.3vjqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Beside it is a very important discovery, its allow to measure many property of the light and see whether it obeys the proposed laws: 1) Supposed that light is travelled greater than microscopic range in sodium, it is very easy to see how the light is fall under gravity exactly as a stone thrown at 17m/s. 2) What will be the equation E=mc^2? Assuming energy is conserved mass of the light is increase by (1.7647059e7)^2 = 3.11418685e14 times for a given energy. 3e14 is a big factor and it may allow to measure weight of the light directly by a balance. 3) Momentum of the light is increased also, and one can apply a force by a light beam is it was like a water jet at 17m/s velocity. >From PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE (http://www.aip.org/physnews/update/) > >The researchers also observed unprecedentedly large intensity-dependent >light transmission. Such an extreme nonlinear effect can perhaps be > used in a number of opto-electronic components (switches,memory, delay > lines) and in converting light from one wavelength to another. (Hau > et al., Nature, 18 February 1999.) This is ironic. Now the light exhibit very large nonlinear effects at low energy (infrared compared to gamma ray) which is fundamental to pair creation and to other controversial nature of electromagnetic waves. And this issue is dismissed on the press re lease. Actually a major mystery of the nature is going be discovered (how the matter is build) and author talking about new electronic components to be used on computer. This is typical. The only purpose/motivation of the physical sciences is (reduced) to build faster computers. (maybe public expectation from physics sciences is reduced to this, we dont need or have to expect to find alternate energy sources, FTL communication and gravitational modifications, these are too much!) hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 12:26:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15976; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:25:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:25:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990223121323.23974c38@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:13:23 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Scalar Gradiometer Experiments??? In-Reply-To: <36D224B3.327C@tiac.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v5jS22.0.Wv3.Lxmqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:46 PM 2/22/99 -0800, Bob wrote: >Runozwritu@aol.com wrote: >> After finding Bill Beaty's site, I was impressed with it's professional >> layout, and the various subjects presented. (I am relearning HTML, and now >> adding CGI, Visual Basic and then Pearl, any suggestions?) >> My first interest is in Mr. Shannon's Scalar Gradiometer circuit, >> Weird Science (Bill Beaty's >> Homepages). Has anyone attempted to build and experiment with this >> device? If so, please contact me! Has a PCB been designed for it? I would >> really like to hear from you before I attempt this project. >> Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from you all. >> >> Best Regards, >> Runozwritu > >Thanks for your interest. > >Many people have built Gradiometers, and some have even improved the >electrometer input circuit for more stable operation. > >I am not aware of any PCB having been produced however. It sure would >make the device much easier to duplicate. > >If you have any questions, please ask. > >(If I seem to be slow to respond, its probably because I'm traveling a >bit) > I finished my electrostatic gradiometer today, and would be very interested in alternate input circuits for the "electrostatic" portion. Maybe the 1nF cap I used at the bias potentiometer has too high leakage resistance? Or too low, as a fixed amount of charge from it isn't enough to keep it approx. balanced. Only the (-) input has a DC path, in my case a 66 megohm resistor. The bias potiometer has to be continually adjusted to keep the first stage from saturating until in a few minutes it is at one limit. The gain pot passes an adjustable amount of this output voltage to the approx 6X voltage gain of the second stage and the +/- mA meter. Thanks, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 12:29:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA17133; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:29:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:29:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199902232028.VAA08028@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:26:40 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wND-F2.0.WB4.U-mqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I've seen some interesting postings and I want to see or build it myself... Any suggestions for some devices which work... (I prefer something with hydrogen) mzzl, Aris... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 13:04:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA29664; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:04:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:04:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199902232103.WAA12464@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:01:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4oNq72.0.BF7.3Vnqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi all, > > I've seen some interesting postings and I want to see or build it myself... > > > Any suggestions for some devices which work... > > (I prefer something with hydrogen) > > mzzl, > > Aris... Basicly my mental situation can be compared with somebody in love but with no proof of the loved one loving me too....(very frustrating)... I NEED PROOF....(that does not say I'm sceptic)... mzzl, Aris... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 13:37:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08236; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:37:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:37:23 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQTBn+qU3jdxerDXl4w7RQnLiLM0AIVALvld3OtdPF+/NQNfVIaw4Cv+6IX From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:37:19 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Message-ID: <6448-36D31F8F-406@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Thunderbird" 's message of Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:01:30 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-337768406-179 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Z9Rvm1.0.b02.J-nqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --WebTV-Mail-337768406-179 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable =A0=A0 http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html running your car on orgone or zero point energy Address:http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/orgone.htm The first one was in Nexus Magazine a few years back, I thought about trying it but found I could not make enough Hydrogen from a 12 volt source. Maybe I did something wrong don't know, Have a look at this one too....... Address:http://www.eagle-research.com/ Says Browns gas can be made in large volumes and cheaply, This would be the way to go, Good luck and be Safe. (RB) --WebTV-Mail-337768406-179 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-121.bryant.webtv.net; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:06:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mailsorter-101-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id NAA01471; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA29687; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:04:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:04:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199902232103.WAA12464@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:01:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4oNq72.0.BF7.3Vnqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Hi all, > > I've seen some interesting postings and I want to see or build it myself... > > > Any suggestions for some devices which work... > > (I prefer something with hydrogen) > > mzzl, > > Aris... Basicly my mental situation can be compared with somebody in love but with no proof of the loved one loving me too....(very frustrating)... I NEED PROOF....(that does not say I'm sceptic)... mzzl, Aris... --WebTV-Mail-337768406-179-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 14:26:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23963; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:26:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:26:28 -0800 Message-ID: <36D32BBC.32B732E@harti.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:29:16 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car References: <6448-36D31F8F-406@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BWGBR1.0.Hs5.Kioqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: R B wrote: > > > http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html > running your car on orgone or zero point energy Has anybody seen this card of this Rock-musician ? Or is this only a joke ? When it is true, what he writes, why did this not get more published ?? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 15:15:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA07791; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:15:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:15:34 -0800 Posted-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:11:53 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <36D33617.18F107FE@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:13:27 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex , freenrg Subject: Domain names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tsKPm1.0.Vv1.LQpqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I had registered these domain names two months ago: superluminal.cx, zeropoint.cx and few other physics related names. If anybody interested to own them or use them please write me. For more information goto www.nic.cx Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Feb 23 16:18:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA29352; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:18:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:18:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:09:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Thunderbird....Re: Camera's In-Reply-To: <199902221837.TAA08942@poindexter.wirehub.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0pYg02.0.UA7.CLqqs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Images.... many large cities have places you can have your drawing or photograph scanned... and put on disk... this way you do not have to buy a piece of equipment! On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Thunderbird wrote: > In holland flatbedscanners 9600dpi are about 100 gilders ($60 I guess)... > Which is I think a good the investment for improving my desktop.... > > About camera's I'm really excited off this semiprofessional Canon (or > Kodak) > machine... Pretty expensive but if I can sell it with to friends as an > company > investment, it wil cost me about $1600 including videocard, then we can do > 95% > professional broadcasting... I wait a while cause there are many new things > > coming on... > > I do already have a small kodak (or canon) camera but I've lost the > CD...:-((( > > ---------- > > Van: Joe Portman Sr. > > Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Onderwerp: Re: Hydrogen > > Datum: maandag 22 februari 1999 15:24 > > > > Don't buy a scanner. Buy a digital camera. You can use it as a scanner, > > plus it will do many other things. Good bargain. > > Joe Portman > > ps; it doesn't have to be expensive....$400..... > > ================================== > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 02:37:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA06625; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:37:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:37:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199902241037.UAA11330@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts3m13.the-gc.net [203.55.227.113] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:15:07 Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"by4UB2.0.Qd1.LPzqs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 22 Feb 99 at 15:42, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:49:47 -0500, felis catus wrote some useful info about > Browns gas. I am working on a different angle: > > > At http://dallastexas.net/keelynet/archive/00000903.htm I made an entry > entitled Brown and Meyer Hybrid. > > Before this I was quite surprised to recieve an enquire from taiwan > concerning the manufacture of Browns gas electrolisizors. Now I wanted to [Sweet merciful SNIP!] > steel plates (T-314 @ 20 gauge, thicker than Wiseman suggestion) to anyone > wishing to make an electrolysizor designed in a square fashion.) Could someone help me understand this post? I know that two electrodes in water with a current will produce 2 parts hydrogen from one electrode and 1 part oxygen from the other. How many years research must I do to understand this post? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 05:40:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA09189; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 05:40:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 05:40:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 05:58:49 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Reply-To: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: hdrogen at Humbolt State Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JmKb4.0.QF2.y40rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John S. or anyone: Is this still operational and has it been a success? Jorg Ostrowski ________________________________________________________________________ > Renewable energy sources can produce electricity for electrolysis. For > example, in 1989, Humboldt State University's Schatz Energy Research > Center > began working on a stand-alone solar hydrogen system. The system uses a > 9.2 > kilowatt hour peak photovoltaic array to provide power to the lab's > compressors that aerate fish tanks. The power not used to run the > compressors runs a 7.2 kilowatt bipolar alkaline electrolyzer. The > electrolyzer can produce 53 standard cubic feet of hydrogen per hour (25 > standard liters per minute). The unit has been operating without > supervision since 1993. When there is not enough power from the array, > the > hydrogen provides fuel for a 1.5-kilowatt proton exchange membrane fuel > cell > to provide power for the compressors. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 06:27:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22728; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:27:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:27:41 -0800 Message-ID: <001901be6002$7dc339e0$6f2bd3cf@default> From: "Robin Dye: The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Aris) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:32:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE5FC7.D014B060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tgqfQ3.0._Y5.Sn0rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE5FC7.D014B060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bruce... Not sure if you are on the free energy list but thought this may have something to do with your ideas and or expertise. Maybe you could = answer this guys questions if you wish. If so...you can forward your response = to me and I'll post it to the list. Robin Dye VisionQuest Production -----Original Message----- From: Thunderbird To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Hydrogen >Let me first introduce myself... > >I'm Aris and live in the Netherlands and I've been on the list and = don't >remember if >I had introduced myself perhaps twice now... > >I'm interested in 'free energy' and don't think in violating the law of >loss of energy... >I do think it is posible to use other, not really realized, forms of >energy... This to >avoid any discussions that free energy device are not possible... It = cost a >lot of >mental energy to think about a system anyway...:-))).. > >What I have in mind is a construction to increase the efficiency of = making >hydrogen... > >The main principle is to create electricity down deep (eg in the ocean) >under water, >then making hydrogen (g) en oxygen (g), which will of course rise... = If you >make a >sort of balloon connected to a generator this will create extra current = you >can use >again to create O2 and H2... I miss some information to make exact >calculations, >the ones I made before were very promising, but wrong... > >I hope there are people on the list who can help me calculate or = support >anyway with >this brainwave...(perhaps here is also some synchronity too...:-))) > >mzzl > >Aris __________________________________________________________ Hi Aris, Robin Dye with The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions gave me your name and message. She suggested that I contact you. Probably because I have an invention, which is now in the process of being patented.=20 The invention deals with getting large quantities of power from the ocean. Part of the process utilizes Hydrogen and Oxygen produced deep in the ocean. I'm not sure I understand the question you are asking. It seems you have a method of producing Hydrogen and Oxygen, then using those gases to raise a balloon generating additional electricity. Is that correct? =20 Let me give you one word of caution. Try to avoid putting anything in the ocean with moving parts. The reason is that the ocean is a corrosive environment. Any machine in the ocean with moving parts will soon stop moving, unless it is properly maintained. =20 I'm sure you are right when you say, "I do think it is possible to use other, not really realized, forms of energy." The trick is to locate rarely used sources of energy and figure out a way to put them to use. It appears that you are on the right track. Perhaps if you could ask more specific questions, it would be possible to give you specific answers. Never give up your dreams. Bruce neonmagic@yahoo.com =3D=3D Bruce J. Hancock NeonMagic@yahoo.com PO Box 36914 Phoenix, AZ 85067 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE5FC7.D014B060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bruce...

Not sure if you are on the free energy list but = thought=20 this may have
something to do with your ideas and or expertise.  = Maybe=20 you could answer
this guys questions if you wish.  If so...you = can=20 forward your response to
me and I'll post it to the = list.

Robin=20 Dye
VisionQuest Production
-----Original Message-----
From: = Thunderbird=20 <avd@wirehub.nl>
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
Date= : Sunday,=20 February 21, 1999 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Hydrogen


>Let me = first=20 introduce myself...
>
>I'm Aris and live in the Netherlands = and I've=20 been on the list and don't
>remember if
>I had introduced = myself=20 perhaps twice now...
>
>I'm interested in 'free energy' and = don't=20 think in violating the law of
>loss of energy...
>I do think = it is=20 posible to use other, not really realized, forms of
>energy... = This=20 to
>avoid any discussions that free energy device are not = possible... It=20 cost a
>lot of
>mental energy to think about a system=20 anyway...:-)))..
>
>What I have in mind is a construction to = increase the efficiency of making
>hydrogen...
>
>The = main=20 principle is to create electricity down deep (eg in the = ocean)
>under=20 water,
>then making hydrogen (g) en oxygen (g), which will of = course =20 rise... If you
>make a
>sort of balloon connected to a = generator=20 this will create extra current you
>can use
>again to create = O2 and=20 H2... I miss some information to make = exact
>calculations,
>the ones=20 I made before were very promising, but wrong...
>
>I hope = there are=20 people on the list who can help me calculate or support
>anyway=20 with
>this brainwave...(perhaps here is also some synchronity=20 too...:-)))
>
>mzzl
>
>Aris
__________________________________________________________
 
 
Hi Aris,

Robin Dye with The Credit Zone/VisionQuest = Productions gave=20 me your
name and message.  She suggested that I contact = you. =20 Probably because
I have an invention, which is now in the process of = being=20 patented.
The invention deals with getting large quantities of power = from=20 the
ocean.  Part of the process utilizes Hydrogen and Oxygen = produced=20 deep
in the ocean.

I'm not sure I understand the question you = are=20 asking.  It seems you
have a method of producing Hydrogen and = Oxygen,=20 then using those gases
to raise a balloon generating additional=20 electricity.  Is that
correct? 

Let me give you one = word of=20 caution.  Try to avoid putting anything in
the ocean with moving = parts.  The reason is that the ocean is a
corrosive = environment. =20 Any machine in the ocean with moving parts
will soon stop moving, = unless it=20 is properly maintained. 

I'm sure you are right when you = say,=20 "I do think it is possible to use
other, not really realized, = forms of=20 energy."  The trick is to locate
rarely used sources of = energy and=20 figure out a way to put them to use.
It appears that you are on the = right=20 track.  Perhaps if you could ask
more specific questions, it = would be=20 possible to give you specific
answers.

Never give up your=20 dreams.

Bruce
neonmagic@yahoo.com




=3D=3D

Bruce=20 J. Hancock
NeonMagic@yahoo.com
PO=20 Box 36914
Phoenix, AZ  85067
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE5FC7.D014B060-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 06:48:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA01217; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:48:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: <36D411F5.D44A309B@harti.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:51:33 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Dameron , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! References: <3.0.6.16.19990223234134.22d78594@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2yJcv.0.wI.251rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > At 03:44 PM 2/23/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Dieter Bauer told me the > >page where he has seen it: > > > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html > > > >Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a > >Superimposed Circular Field > >Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 > > > HI Stefan, > Have you found any 32% Nickel iron alloy in wires to try this test? > -Dave > Thanks for finding this article. Hi Dave, why not just try this: Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire and wind a long coil with it, so the coil looks like a bar magnet, maybe 30 cm long and 4 cm in diameter. Now use a strong permament magnet to magnetize this iron coil. Measure the B at the end of the coil with a Teslameter. Now begin feeding the coil with DC power. Will the B change at the end ? Probably yes. Now wind over this iron coil 2 copper coils as a transformer and now you can change the Mu-R permeability of the iron medium via the overimposed DC current ! This way it might work okay and an overunity transformer might be got. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 07:30:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA21389; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:30:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:30:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Bill B. on Lauralee show this Friday nite Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"k0-721.0.qD5.1i1rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.amasci.com/llcast.html For anyone who'd like to listen in, I'll be a guest on a "radio show" this friday. NOT radio, but an internet realaudio webcast. This is the Laura Lee Alternative Sci/health show. Topics attached below, or see: See: http://www.amasci.com/llcast.html ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L TOPICS: * Current status of the "Hum" * Russian discoveries: Torsion Fields (Axion particles) * An old build-it project: binding-force anomaly detector, Other projects... * Report your Unusual Phenomena Also: Electric Humans * Free energy discussion, also devices. + Prometheus Game + Rules for Weird Inventions * Cold Fusion * I've joined the Skeptics! * Contemporary Science Heresies + Anti-closedminded Ammunition! + Whistleblower protection + Truzzi & others + Computer games show flaws of Darwinism * ANTIGRAVITY * BALL LIGHTNING * UPCOMING CONFERENCES. + EXOTIC RESEARCH in Seattle March 25-28 + SSE 18th Annual Meeting, June 3-5 Albuquerque NM From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 12:13:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA26622; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:12:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:12:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990224111455.23dfa00a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:14:55 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! In-Reply-To: <36D411F5.D44A309B@harti.com> References: <3.0.6.16.19990223234134.22d78594@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lQufX.0.pV6.tq5rs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan and all, At 03:51 PM 2/24/99 +0100, you wrote: >> >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html >> > >> >Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a >> >Superimposed Circular Field >> >Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 >why not just try this: > >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >and wind a long coil with it, so the coil looks like a bar >magnet, maybe 30 cm long and 4 cm in diameter. > >Now use a strong permament magnet to magnetize this iron >coil. >Measure the B at the end of the coil with a Teslameter. > >Now begin feeding the coil with DC power. > >Will the B change at the end ? Probably yes. Yes. > >Now wind over this iron coil 2 copper coils >as a transformer and now you can change the >Mu-R permeability of the iron medium >via the overimposed DC current ! > >This way it might work okay and an >overunity transformer might be got. > >Regards, Stefan. > I still haven't found a convenient way to insulate wires like magnet wire. The article was interesting, the coil was used just to measure its own inductance and thus the permeability of the 32% Ni-Iron core. The Ni-iron wasn't the coil. Also interesting was the variation when the core was twisted, that is in torsion. I have looked for some materials, and stainless steels usually have Nickel less than 12% (and are usually non-magnetic), and "dumet" for glass seals has a Nickel content of 43%. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 13:21:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA05642; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:21:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:21:02 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:16:57 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"-i2rR.0.1O1.zq6rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: << >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of a source for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 14:01:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA20409; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:00:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:00:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19990224214856.24360.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: hdrogen at Humbolt State To: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" , freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SwHxg3.0.j-4.DQ7rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jorg et al! Thanks for the interesting post about the solar hydrogen system. Does anyone know anything about it that they can share? Amazing, let's see what a search yields; The Schatz Solar Homepage; http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~serc/facilities.html ============================= $170.00 Solar Hydrogen experimenter kit; http://www.host.slip.net/~h2man/exp_kit.htm ======================== John S. or anyone: Is this still operational and has it been a success? - Jorg Ostrowski ======================== Renewable energy sources can produce electricity for electrolysis. For example, in 1989, Humboldt State University's Schatz Energy Research Center began working on a stand-alone solar hydrogen system. The system uses a 9.2 kilowatt hour peak photovoltaic array to provide power to the lab's compressors that aerate fish tanks. The power not used to run the compressors runs a 7.2 kilowatt bipolar alkaline electrolyzer. The electrolyzer can produce 53 standard cubic feet of hydrogen per hour (25 standard liters per minute). The unit has been operating without supervision since 1993. When there is not enough power from the array, the hydrogen provides fuel for a 1.5-kilowatt proton exchange membrane fuel cell to provide power for the compressors. ============================= == ================================= Please respond to jdecker@keelynet.com as I am writing from my work email of jwdatwork@hotmail.com.........thanks! ================================= _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 17:15:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA26573; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:15:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:15:27 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQpWUWhppQb2tQGaK6HZCwPWeu4QwIVAIfT95HYQQufh7uyTwE87WBYnSmD From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:15:06 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydrogen Car Message-ID: <5156-36D4A41A-308@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"mFbZg1.0.6V6.jGArs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I got a letter back from my local news station about the Hydrogen Car.........Dear R.B., I checked our script on the story you're inquiring about. The man's name is Daniel Dingle and he lives in the Philippines. He calls his device a reactor and claims it divides the hydrogen and oxygen in water to create energy. Our information on the story came from CNN, so it's almost certain that it aired there as well. You may want to call CNN in Atlanta, or it could be easier to check their website. Hope this is of help to you! Sincerely, Shannon Cagle, News 8 Producer RB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 17:38:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA02634; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:38:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:38:40 -0800 Message-ID: <36D4AA5D.2CE4C01E@harti.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:41:49 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Keasy@aol.com Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! References: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sDzRE.0._e.VcArs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keasy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > > << >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> > This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of a source > for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? > Ken > Keasy@aol.com Just use insulated fence wire. It comes noramlly with a green plastic coating and it available in about 3 to 4 mm diameter ! So you will get big coils, if you need big number of windings but this probably the chaepest you will get ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 17:51:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06353; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:51:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:51:12 -0800 Message-ID: <36D4AD4D.A6DDE3B1@harti.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:54:21 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "ddameron@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Ni-Iron core measurements... References: <3.0.6.16.19990223234134.22d78594@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.16.19990224111455.23dfa00a@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zfdRo3.0.AZ1.GoArs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > Hi Stefan and all, > At 03:51 PM 2/24/99 +0100, you wrote: > > >> >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html > >> > > >> >Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a > >> >Superimposed Circular Field > >> >Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 > > >why not just try this: > > > >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire > >and wind a long coil with it, so the coil looks like a bar > >magnet, maybe 30 cm long and 4 cm in diameter. > > > >Now use a strong permament magnet to magnetize this iron > >coil. > >Measure the B at the end of the coil with a Teslameter. > > > >Now begin feeding the coil with DC power. > > > >Will the B change at the end ? Probably yes. > Yes. > > > >Now wind over this iron coil 2 copper coils > >as a transformer and now you can change the > >Mu-R permeability of the iron medium > >via the overimposed DC current ! > > > >This way it might work okay and an > >overunity transformer might be got. > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > > I still haven't found a convenient way to insulate wires like magnet wire. > The article was interesting, the coil was used just to measure its own > inductance and thus the permeability of the 32% Ni-Iron core. The Ni-iron > wasn't the coil. > Yes, that is right... What I propose is: Build the iron core NOT as a plain Ni-iron rod , but as a iron coil ! Now if you superimpose a chopped DC current (spikes are okay, or via a resonating LC circuit to drive it..) onto this "iron bar" coil and use this as the core for a normal transformer. Now you can switch teh Mu-R permeability of this core with the chopped DC current and you might get an OU transformer this way.. > Also interesting was the variation when the core was twisted, that is in > torsion. Yes, that was very interesting, so it seems to depend, how much the iron core is twisted and how the superimposed dc current will will have a twisted magnetic field this way and how the atomic magnetic layers toggle this way... > I have looked for some materials, and stainless steels usually have Nickel > less than 12% (and are usually non-magnetic), and "dumet" for glass seals > has a Nickel content of 43%. What is "dumet" ?? I don´t know this... Maybe one can mix iron and nickel powder togteher, pressurize it into rods and bake it together in an ofen at maybe 300 degrees Celsius and get this way a very "current sensitive" ni-iron rod, which would be ideal for this experiment, probably not for the twisting, but maybe ideal for testing the mu-R dependence of the chopped DC current.. For just getting iron wire, try to get just insulated fence wire. It comes noramlly with a green plastic coating and is available in about 3 to 4 mm diameter ! So you will get big coils (iron cores), if you need a big number of windings but this is probably the cheapest iron wire you will get ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 19:01:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08630; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:01:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:01:11 -0800 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tv@juno.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:50:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Chernetskii and Negative resistance Message-ID: <19990224.185010.12030.2.tv@juno.com> References: <36D1DD46.E0F9696A@harti.com> <19990222.193307.6726.0.tv@juno.com> <36D22D7B.C2AC193F@harti.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-19 From: Tim Vaughan Resent-Message-ID: <"jVcR51.0.h62.spBrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>Correa claims he has detected the PAGD effect in fluorescent tubes. >> >I see, sound realistic ! >How much current did he put into it at which DC voltage ?? About 500 volts from lead acid battery packs as I understand it. >> I too heard about the negative resistance with carbon composite resistors >> and it sure sounded like a "free energy: device. Strange, it seems to >> have gone underground. >Have you heard anything about it ? Not since the brief articles appeared in newspapers which had very little technical information. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 19:01:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08724; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:01:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:01:24 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: harti@harti.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:50:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! Message-ID: <19990224.185010.12030.0.tv@juno.com> References: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,15-16,21-22,32-33,36-57 From: Tim Vaughan Resent-Message-ID: <"bbGEV3.0.882.4qBrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: He Stefan and friends, After I posted the Nature article about the 32% Nickel Iron wire, I took some iron and coated it with enamel paint as an insulator. The enamel coatings are used by electric motor repair shops to insulate the windings in the motor. I simply stretched a long piece out between two trees and painted it with a sponge soaked with enamel paint. I made an inductor core from the wire in the form of a large toroid core. I then wrapped magnet wire around the core as a conventional inductor. What I hoped to see was significant changes in the inductance of the inductor as a result of current through the iron wire in the core. I did indeed observe a small change in inductance but it had a hysteresis effect that I suppose was to be expected. After I altered the apparent permeability of the core it would stay changed unless it was reversed by a pulse in the opposite direction through the iron core. I was attempting to pump an LC tank circuit as a parametric oscillator by rapidly changing the permeability of the core but I was not able to get this to work. I could not change the permeability fast enough to pump it at the resonant frequency. Perhaps this could still be made to work with very large inductors like Newman coils. Note that the article in Nature specifies a 32 % Nickel - 68 % Iron alloy. I did some research on this and found that this particular alloy is called "compensator alloy" and is used in kilowatt-hour meters to compensate for changes in temperature which would other wise effect the accuracy of the meter. I was not able to find any wire in this form although one company sent me a piece of sheet metal of a 30 % nickel iron alloy. I tried making a small inductor of this and found that the inductance did indeed change with a current through the core, but the current was also sufficient to heat the core so it seems to be mainly a temperature effect in this case. It would still be interesting to see if a Coler type device could constructed using the 32 % nickel iron wire if some could be found or made. Does anyone have a the ability to draw wire ? The article is posted at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a Superimposed Circular Field Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:16:57 EST Keasy@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, >ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > ><< >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> >This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of >a source for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? > Ken >Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 22:27:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA13669; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:27:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:27:51 -0800 From: pop79@altavista.net Message-Id: <199902250627.QAA23838@lebunka.ion.com.au> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:24:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hydrogen car Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Resent-Message-ID: <"tKE7l.0.UL3.crErs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Some thoughts on http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html the hydrogen generator made in 1983 by an 18 year old lad. He uses a steel bolt as the electrode (negative, hydrogen producing) and it had a problem with being completely covered in something which had to be brushed off regularly with a wire brush. Could this be not impurities in the water but rust? If it was rust, would a carbon rod be of better use? How the @$#! hell did one steel bolt create enough hydrogen for a big 8 cylinder engine? I'm going to do some electrolysis test of my own with a 12v car battery to hopefully measure hydrogen, and power consumption. How did the oxygen get out of the hole in the SIDE when oxygen will be at the TOP of the canister? Wouldn't it be better to burn the oxygen as well? Does one part H and two parts O in the gaseous form create water? Or do they need to burn? If both were burned, the carburetor would have to mix a LOT less outside air correct? Oxygen in the water tank should be piped to a charcoal canister and piped into the air intake. That's what is already being used in vehicles to stop petrol (gasoline) fumes from entering the atmosphere. A higher oxygen content would make it burn a lot better too correct? The water filter should not be in the flow of the canister but in the water intake when you pour it in IMO. For my first tests I will try a small (100x150mm) sheet of stainless steel (not sure what type) and a small carbon rod in a jar of water. I did this at school a long time ago with a jar and two nails which rusted up in about 5 minutes. A test tube was placed over each nail and the gas collected in the top of the tubes, pushing the water out. Only small amounts were made with the small (2inch) nails...about 30mm of hydrogen in the top of the test tube in about 5 minutes. The power was only a 12v power supply, and I suspect a 12v car battery makes a lot more. From, Paul (Quantum Business Systems) www.quantumsystems.com.au From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 22:43:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17430; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:43:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:43:27 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Message-Id: <919924982.20221.971@excite.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:43:02 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"z-v6R3.0.8G4.E4Frs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:24:01 +1000, pop79@altavista.net wrote: > Some thoughts on > > http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html > > the hydrogen generator made in 1983 by an 18 year old lad. > > He uses a steel bolt as the electrode (negative, hydrogen > producing) and it had a problem with being completely covered in > something which had to be brushed off regularly with a wire brush. > Could this be not impurities in the water but rust? > > If it was rust, would a carbon rod be of better use? > > How the @$#! hell did one steel bolt create enough hydrogen for a > big 8 cylinder engine? I'm going to do some electrolysis test of my > own with a 12v car battery to hopefully measure hydrogen, and > power consumption. > > How did the oxygen get out of the hole in the SIDE when oxygen > will be at the TOP of the canister? > > Wouldn't it be better to burn the oxygen as well? Does one part H > and two parts O in the gaseous form create water? Or do they > need to burn? > > If both were burned, the carburetor would have to mix a LOT less > outside air correct? > > Oxygen in the water tank should be piped to a charcoal canister > and piped into the air intake. That's what is already being used in > vehicles to stop petrol (gasoline) fumes from entering the > atmosphere. A higher oxygen content would make it burn a lot > better too correct? > > The water filter should not be in the flow of the canister but in the > water intake when you pour it in IMO. > > For my first tests I will try a small (100x150mm) sheet of stainless > steel (not sure what type) and a small carbon rod in a jar of water. > > I did this at school a long time ago with a jar and two nails which > rusted up in about 5 minutes. A test tube was placed over each > nail and the gas collected in the top of the tubes, pushing the water > out. > > Only small amounts were made with the small (2inch) nails...about > 30mm of hydrogen in the top of the test tube in about 5 minutes. > > The power was only a 12v power supply, and I suspect a 12v car > battery makes a lot more. > > > yeah pretty funny about these small surface areas making so much gas. A medium size industrial electrolysizor might contain 60 36 square inch plates of stainless steel. That a lot of surface area. A mechanism to blink the amperage in 2 volt pulses is reported to make semi monatomic gases known as Browns Gas instead of conventional diatomic gases of h2 and o2. Browns gas production is achieved at better efficiency than conventional electrolysis. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 23:33:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA04143; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:32:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:32:54 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! Message-Id: <919927950.20653.452@excite.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:32:30 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0SKWz2.0.Z01.coFrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:50:36 -0800, Tim Vaughan wrote: > He Stefan and friends, > > After I posted the Nature article about the 32% Nickel Iron wire, I took > some iron and coated it with enamel paint as an insulator. The enamel > coatings are used by electric motor repair shops to insulate the windings > in the motor. I simply stretched a long piece out between two trees > and painted it with a sponge soaked with enamel paint. > > I made an inductor core from the wire in the form of a large toroid core. > I then wrapped magnet wire around the core as a conventional inductor. > What I hoped to see was significant changes in the inductance of the > inductor as a result of current through the iron wire in the core. I > did indeed observe a small change in inductance but it had a hysteresis > effect that I suppose was to be expected. After I altered the apparent > permeability of the core it would stay changed unless it was reversed by > a pulse in the opposite direction through the iron core. >>> Why not configure an AC input to the toroidal core for this function HDN > I was attempting to pump an LC tank circuit as a parametric oscillator by > rapidly changing the permeability of the core but I was not able to get > this to work. I could not change the permeability fast enough to pump > it at the resonant frequency. Perhaps this could still be made to work > with very large inductors like Newman coils. > > Note that the article in Nature specifies a 32 % Nickel - 68 % Iron > alloy. I did some research on this and found that this particular alloy > is called "compensator alloy" and is used in kilowatt-hour meters to > compensate for changes in temperature which would other wise effect the > accuracy of the meter. I was not able to find any wire in this form > although one company sent me a piece of sheet metal of a 30 % nickel iron > alloy. I tried making a small inductor of this and found that the > inductance did indeed change with a current through the core, but the > current was also sufficient to heat the core so it seems to be mainly a > temperature effect in this case. > > It would still be interesting to see if a Coler type device could > constructed using the 32 % nickel iron wire if some could be found or > made. Does anyone have a the ability to draw wire ? > > The article posted at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html > > Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a > Superimposed Circular Field > Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 > > Tim > > ( tv@juno.com ) > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:16:57 EST Keasy@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > > > ><< >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> > >This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of > >a source for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? > > Ken > >Keasy@aol.com > >>>Could not this application be exploited where the toroidal nickel-iron coil has an ac input that in turn could reflect a variable impedance to the outside coil. It would be interesting to see if any effect in this configuration could be shown using non magnetic wire. In my understanding the magnetic fields in this arrangement could only react at right angles thus probably having no interaction. Sure is a weird geometry well worth investigating HDN tesla4@excite.com> _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Feb 24 23:35:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA04661; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:35:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:35:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990224213940.22872c7a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:39:40 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! In-Reply-To: <19990224.185010.12030.0.tv@juno.com> References: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vBjad.0.k81.iqFrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Tim and all, At 05:50 PM 2/24/99 -0800, you wrote: >He Stefan and friends, > >After I posted the Nature article about the 32% Nickel Iron wire, I took >some iron and coated it with enamel paint as an insulator. The enamel >coatings are used by electric motor repair shops to insulate the windings >in the motor. I simply stretched a long piece out between two trees >and painted it with a sponge soaked with enamel paint. I tried polyurethane varnish once with fair to good results with a cloth to apply it. This was for Cu wire, though. > >I made an inductor core from the wire in the form of a large toroid core. > I then wrapped magnet wire around the core as a conventional inductor. >What I hoped to see was significant changes in the inductance of the >inductor as a result of current through the iron wire in the core. I >did indeed observe a small change in inductance but it had a hysteresis >effect that I suppose was to be expected. After I altered the apparent >permeability of the core it would stay changed unless it was reversed by >a pulse in the opposite direction through the iron core. > >I was attempting to pump an LC tank circuit as a parametric oscillator by >rapidly changing the permeability of the core but I was not able to get >this to work. I could not change the permeability fast enough to pump >it at the resonant frequency. Perhaps this could still be made to work >with very large inductors like Newman coils. > >Note that the article in Nature specifies a 32 % Nickel - 68 % Iron >alloy. I did some research on this and found that this particular alloy >is called "compensator alloy" and is used in kilowatt-hour meters to >compensate for changes in temperature which would other wise effect the >accuracy of the meter. Do you know how it is used in a Kw-H meter? Is is a sheet that somehow compensates the magnetic flux by a shunt path? >I was not able to find any wire in this form >although one company sent me a piece of sheet metal of a 30 % nickel iron >alloy. I tried making a small inductor of this and found that the >inductance did indeed change with a current through the core, but the >current was also sufficient to heat the core so it seems to be mainly a >temperature effect in this case. Did the effect change suddenly (as fast as you could measure) when you turned off the current? > >It would still be interesting to see if a Coler type device could >constructed using the 32 % nickel iron wire if some could be found or >made. Does anyone have a the ability to draw wire ? > >The article is posted at: >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html > >Tim > >( tv@juno.com ) -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 03:00:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA03283; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 03:00:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 03:00:47 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Norris magnetic ring motor Message-Id: <919940428.20186.774@excite.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 03:00:28 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"pnVKf2.0.Cp.UrIrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tesla confounded his critics with his new motor design last century so lets try this one for the year 2000. What a great way to bring in the new millenium. Imagine a copper magnetic motor that has a ring armature that rotates freely in space with no connections Imagine a hula hoop or plastic toroidal magnet container. You have many aluminum and neodmium discs that you shove into the hoop in alternating sequence until the ring is completed. Before this ring is completed field windings are slipped over the width of the hoop before closing it in a ring formation. Each of these field coils have an appreciable air gap between their interior diameters and the ring diameter encompassed in a section so that the ring can freely spin in this space with no support or bearings. Each of the field coils are the length of the discs. Let us start by considering this system without the aluminum and an air space instead. Aligning the magnets all in the exterior polar space of the field coils and inputing a dc amperage to the field coils will result in the hoop picking itself up and suspending itself perfectly in the interior space that the ring occupies with no other physical contacts. This happens because each magnet will go to the position where it is in maximum field alignment with its corresponding field coil. It is the containing plastic ring that will allow each of the magnets to remain suspended at its maximum alignment position. The simplicity of this magnetically levitated ring is also dependent on each magnet successfully interacting with each field coil; which in the case of a purely toriodal magnetic rotor may not be the case: I don' t know enough physics to say. Now of course if these coils undergo a polarity change the magnets will be expelled outside the coils and the next polarity change will bring them into the next set of coils. This is my model for a high frequency copper magnetic motor. The first thing that leaves people aghast is how are you going to turn anything with this since you have a ring revolving in space touching nothing. The second thing that baffles them is the modification of including aluminum. To deal with the first issue every force has an equal and opposite reaction force. If you put a fan on a sailboat the force the fan makes on the sail is cancelled by force the fan makes on the boat. But in this case the magnetic rotor is like the fan being off or disconnected from the boat. The field coils exercize a force that propels the magnets, but the magnets also could move the field coils if they were mounted on a turntable like the old record players. So essentially the relative movement between the field coils and magnets can express itself as a torque by the field coils on a movable shaft ! What a wild contraption where a spinning ring in space couples magnetically to spin a set of field coils spinning in the opposite direction. Of course such a motor could function at a fantastically high input frequency and the rotational inertia of the ring could be made quite high and the rpms attainable might start to degrade the structural integrity of the plastic magnet holder from centrifugal forces. The need for a braking effect introduced by aluminum eddy currents on segments might become necessary if the input frequency requirements became extraordinairily high. Additionally I think these would become effective decouplers of the toroidal magnetic field on every other segment that should act when the eddy currents produce a magnetic field in opposition to that established in the same direction by the neodymium magnets. As the aluminum segments cross the interior of the field coils they produce an opposing force on the magnetic rings rotation, but in turn this pinches off the toroidal field so that the magnets can more interact in a isolated condition with the field coils. The gain employed by this effect is to essentially pulse the toroidal field to produce a more effective interaction of the field coil immediately prior to its entrance and after its exit from the field coil. Harvey D Norris tesla4@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 05:39:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA25722; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:39:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:39:24 -0800 Message-ID: <005b01be60c4$a0177160$6d1a0fcb@gsawyer> Reply-To: "Glenville T. Sawyer" From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:07:24 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"WMCEe1.0.pH6.CALrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Glenville T. Sawyer Outback Communications. South Australia Theatre, Concert Lighting, Special Effects, Props. & more ! Embedded Control systems for Theatrical Applications http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net/emailpad.html -----Original Message----- From: pop79@altavista.net Re: Some thoughts on http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html >He uses a steel bolt as the electrode (negative, hydrogen >producing) and it had a problem with being completely covered in >something which had to be brushed off regularly with a wire brush. >Could this be not impurities in the water but rust? I have noticed basically the Chromium - or other impurities in the Stainless Steel, appear to (forgive the unscientific) "boil off" of the Electrodes, for want of a better although observed description. (The "Floaty Bits" in the Reactor chamber between the electrodes). In fact if we look at the "Joe" Hydrogen reactor, He (IIRC) specifically specificed that "Food Grade" Stainless Steel be used, in fact when I tested with a higher grade of S-S, then the deposits appeared to be markedly reduced. (subjective observation only). >If it was rust, would a carbon rod be of better use? No I think that this would introduce a lot of "unknowns" into the equation, the other thing to consider is the extra resistance that would be introduced into the process, that will of course have a direct effect upon the required apllied voltage and current requirements. - Hey not saying it won't or don't try it - Please DO !!! All input is good input :-) >How the @$#! hell did one steel bolt create enough hydrogen for a >big 8 cylinder engine? I'm going to do some electrolysis test of my >own with a 12v car battery to hopefully measure hydrogen, and >power consumption. I was surprised by the high yield of even my small test cells, so looking at this "new" design - I think it would be on a par with the "Joe" cell. >Wouldn't it be better to burn the oxygen as well? Does one part H >and two parts O in the gaseous form create water? Or do they >need to burn? I will await the comment of the "Non-Chemistry Challenged" for this one - and trust me - when it comes to Chem' I am the worlds' worst ! :-) (in fact I could be the Worlds Worst Scientist -"WWS" - oops - wrong thread , although I do apply the scientific methodology, when appropriate) >For my first tests I will try a small (100x150mm) sheet of stainless >steel (not sure what type) and a small carbon rod in a jar of water. My baseline tests were conducted using 2 S-S plates of 100*40mm ( 'Cos that what we had in the Workshop), I had a variable supply capable of delivering 12-24 volts at a maximum of 75 Amps - if I needed it - which I did not. These were immersed in Tap Water - which for those that might not be aware, Adelaide in South Australia has been nationally spotlighted for many years as having possibly the worst tap water in the continent, Most of the Metropolitan region were provided with filtered water a few years back - which helped, but as I out in a basically rural area it has only been improved in this region during the last 12 months or so. - Have NOT tested with Rainwater, which we do have plenty of stored here, and would certainly steer away from High salinity water sources - due to the possibility of more rapid contamination of the electrodes. Regarding current required - ( My test cells ).. At 12 volts - the current drain was around 0.25 Amp, at 24 volts the current dropped to below the calculated / expected current flow - IIRC was around 95 mils @ 24.0 V I used D.C - others may wish to comment on A.C vs D.C - although the original "Joe" used D.C from his car battery, and stated that he could keep the cell "activated" with a small 1.5 or 3.0 volt battery. I used a well regulated and accurate monitoring of the Voltage / Current applied / drawn (as the case may be). >The power was only a 12v power supply, and I suspect a 12v car >battery makes a lot more. I will be interested to hear of your results - in respect of Current flow VS Applied E. on your test cell - keep up the good work, I am looking at ways to organise funding to allow me to modify a 4 Cyclinder motor. Hell I have to get the one I drive around in fixed up first - rattle in Number ! - looks like new rings AGAIN - second set in that Pot in 6 Months, GRRRR ! (but that runs on "leaded" fuel - still ! One Comment that this latest article does inspire, back when we were all discussing the "Joe" reactor system, the comment was firmly made about the fact that using a conventional (unmodified) I.C engine, the Ignition timing needed to be advanced by 30 Degrees or even much greater to allow smooth and reliable running - although "Joe", was NOT using any sort of Vapor adaptor on His carby's - interesting observation. Is the timing issue not relevant when the gas is fed in via a "standard" (e.g LPG) "vapor ring" ? If so - WHY ? - to my mechanical mind - provided the fuel is being delivered (or sucked in) to the chambers - and all other motor parameters are the same - then the timing should not need to be adjusted (other than within normal tolerances) - feeding the fuel, in a different manner still (should) deliver the "juice" to the "pots", no matter what happens on the carby side of the inlet manifold. Yes I agree the Hydrogen mix would burn a lot "faster" and Hotter than a normally fuelled motor, and I am aware that incorrect static valve timing and Ignition timing can greatly affect the operating temperature of the block, but I still fail to see HOW this factor was importantly stressed by "Joe", and yet did not even rate a mention by "Rampage" ! (forgot His name already) :-) I would be interested to hear comments from Qualified Motor Mechs' on this issue. O.K all the best for now, from one of the "not often" posters to this list. Regards, Glenville. P.S I / When I can get asystem going, I have some ideas for the control of the shut-offs and selection of the electrodes etc etc. ( this IS in my area of expertise - among others) ;-) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 06:08:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA05648; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:08:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:08:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001301be60c9$01275340$519d62cf@default> From: "Robin Dye: The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: Subject: SEATTLE CONFERENCE SIZZLES!!!! Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:13:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE608E.538992A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"P15Fq.0.4O1.ObLrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE608E.538992A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am forwarding this update from Steve Elswick of Exotic Research for = those who are interested.=20 Robin Dye Seattle Exotic Research Conference!!! March 25-28, 1999=20 http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm Our site is now back ONLINE... for some weird reasons, the day we sent out previous announcements the following chain of events occurred: - US West in Phoenix had a relay go bad for the first critical 8-hours, This isolated our site from the Internet. - Next, our IP's server had a hard disk failure taking my site into a black hole for 5 days - Finally, my computer motherboard died for 3 days... Are we being suppressed... or is it just Murphy's Law at work? It does not matter, as we have persevered and remedied all of the above. Do not let Murphy or the forces of darkness make you miss this opportunity to be a part of the most exciting conference ever! While other conferences may try to imitate us... they don't have the HARDWARE AVAILABLE like we do! The Conference Schedule is below... if you want more details call me personally at (520) 424-3581 (I am available 24-hours a day) ONLY 4 DAYS LEFT FOR THE 20% MEMBER DISCOUNT!!!... Register TODAY and don't forget to make hotel reservations by February 28 to be guaranteed the conference rate. =20 SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!! See WORKING ANTIGRAVITY DEVICES! Discover an ENGINE THAT RUNS ON MOUNTAIN DEW!! Weld metal to glass with BROWN'S GAS! Watch STIRLING ENGINES at work! POWER your house with ENERGY FROM AIR! Put suppressed ELECTROMEDICINE to the test! Movement=20 can be restored in quadriplegics! It's all HAPPENING at the SEATTLE=20 EXOTIC RESEARCH CONFERENCE March 25-28. http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm This is EXTREME SCIENCE that is for REAL! Some people believe that this information should be suppressed... BUT Exotic Research makes it available!!!!!! LAST CHANCE to get the 20% member discount for this exciting 21ST CENTURY SCIENCE CONFERENCE. REGISTER NOW (24 hours/day) at: (800) 417-6399=20 (520) 424-3581 (Steve Elswick) http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm MEET the great inventors/researchers like Paul Pantone, Brian David Andersen, George Wiseman, Bruce Perreault, Tom Valone and many others...with WORKING DEVICES DEMONSTRATED. Be there and get to inspect the UP CLOSE! Spend the evening discussing it with the inventor... Sign up today... Check website for complete program. http://www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm Become an Exotic Researcher TODAY and get our magazine with the information too HOT for 60 Minutes and mainstream news! WE'RE THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN SCIENCE!!!=20 CONFERENCE PROGRAM...... THURSDAY =B7 March 25 Session 1 - Modern Health=20 7:00PM: Ron Waling, NMD - Heart Guard.. Your First Line of Defense! 9:00PM: Wine & Cheese FRIDAY =B7 March 26 Session 2 (Morning) =95 Alternative Medical Technology 8:00AM: Dan Kunkel - Bio-Resonance Sound Therapy 9:00AM: James Bare, DC - Resonance Frequency Therapy... Comes of Age 10:00AM: Eleanor Rigler-Thai Gibbs, MS - Neuro-Kinesthetics... Hope for Paralysis > Session 3 (Afternoon) =95 Modern Health Hazards and Solutions 1:00PM: Steve Ammerman - TTL - Secret Soviet Performance Enhancer!!! 2:00PM: Roger Sears - The Secret of Negative Ions 3:00PM: Joseph Bender - Water... The Exotic Material 4:00PM: Walter Rawls. PhD - Prospects for Our Magnetic Future Session 4 (Evening) --- Health and Energy 7:00PM: Brian David Andersen - Harmonic Elements and the Quantum Disk 9:00PM: Wine & Cheese SATURDAY =B7 March 27 Session 5 (Morning) =95 Antigravity Concepts & Reality 8:00AM: Tom Valone - Electrogravitics... 21st Century Propulsion 9:00AM: Dan LaRochelle - David Hamel Technology... the poor man's Searl device 10:00AM: Rick Todish - Working Model of an Ionic Propulsion Antigravity Craft Session 6 (Afternoon) =95 Advanced Energy Concepts 1:00PM: Bill Beaty, BSEE - How Electricity REALLY Works!=20 2:00PM: Bruce Perreault - The "Nu" Generation of Radiant Energy Devices 3:00PM: Jeffery Hayes - Tesla Turbines... The Nest Generation! 4:00PM: George Wiseman - Brown's Gas... Key to a Hydrogen Economy! Session 7 (Evening) --- Keys to the 21st Century 7:00PM: Don Isaac, Jr. - The Stirling Engine... Revival of a "Forgotten" Technology 9pm-???: Wine & Cheese SUNDAY =B7 March 28 Session 8 (Morning) =95 Exotic Technology Concepts 8:00AM: GEET Research Parade of Inventions - 3-hour live preview of various inventors WORKSHOP =20 THURSDAY =B7 March 25 9:00AM: Brian David Andersen - Rhythms of Nature Workshop 1:00PM: Bruce Perreault - Radiant Energy Workshop SUNDAY =B7 March 28 1:00PM: Paul Pantone - Incredible World of GEET Technology Workshop ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE608E.538992A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am forwarding this update from = Steve Elswick=20 of Exotic Research for those who are interested.
 
Robin Dye
 
 
 
Seattle Exotic Research = Conference!!!
March=20 25-28, 1999
http:/= /www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm

Our=20 site is now back ONLINE... for some weird reasons, the day we = sent
out=20 previous announcements the following chain of events occurred:

- = US West=20 in Phoenix had a relay go bad for the first critical 8-hours,
This = isolated=20 our site from the Internet.

- Next, our IP's server had a hard = disk=20 failure taking my site into a
black hole for 5 days

- Finally, = my=20 computer motherboard died for 3 days...

Are we being = suppressed... or is=20 it just Murphy's Law at work? It does
not matter, as we have = persevered and=20 remedied all of the above. Do not
let Murphy or the forces of = darkness make=20 you miss this opportunity to
be a part of the most exciting = conference ever!=20 While other conferences
may try to imitate us... they don't have the = HARDWARE=20 AVAILABLE like we
do! The Conference Schedule is below... if you want = more=20 details call me
personally at (520) 424-3581 (I am available 24-hours = a=20 day)

ONLY 4 DAYS LEFT FOR THE 20% MEMBER DISCOUNT!!!... Register = TODAY=20 and
don't forget to make hotel reservations by February 28 to be=20 guaranteed
the conference rate. 

SEEING IS=20 BELIEVING!!!!   See  WORKING ANTIGRAVITY = DEVICES!  =20 Discover
an ENGINE THAT RUNS ON MOUNTAIN DEW!!   Weld metal = to=20 glass with
BROWN'S  GAS!  Watch  STIRLING ENGINES at=20 work!  POWER your house with
ENERGY FROM AIR!  Put = suppressed=20 ELECTROMEDICINE to the test! Movement
can be restored in = quadriplegics! It's=20 all HAPPENING at the SEATTLE
EXOTIC  RESEARCH =20 CONFERENCE   March 25-28.
http:/= /www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm

This=20 is EXTREME SCIENCE  that is for REAL!  Some people believe=20 that
this information should be suppressed...  BUT Exotic = Research =20 makes it
available!!!!!! LAST CHANCE to get the 20% member discount = for=20 this
exciting 21ST CENTURY  SCIENCE  CONFERENCE.  = REGISTER NOW=20 (24 hours/day)
at:
(800) 417-6399
(520)  424-3581  = (Steve=20 Elswick)
http:/= /www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm

MEET=20 the great inventors/researchers like Paul Pantone, Brian = David
Andersen,=20 George Wiseman, Bruce Perreault, Tom Valone and many
others...with = WORKING=20 DEVICES DEMONSTRATED. Be there and get  to
inspect the UP CLOSE! = Spend=20 the evening discussing it with the
inventor... Sign up today... Check = website=20 for complete program.
http:/= /www.exoticresearch.com/events/program/prgframe.htm

Become=20 an Exotic Researcher TODAY and get our magazine with the
information = too HOT=20 for 60 Minutes and mainstream news! WE'RE THE BEST
KEPT SECRET IN = SCIENCE!!!=20


CONFERENCE PROGRAM......

THURSDAY · March=20 25
Session 1 - Modern Health
7:00PM:  Ron Waling, NMD  = - Heart=20 Guard.. Your First Line of Defense!
9:00PM:  Wine &=20 Cheese

FRIDAY  ·  March 26
Session 2 = (Morning) =20 •  Alternative Medical Technology
8:00AM:  Dan Kunkel = -=20 Bio-Resonance Sound Therapy
9:00AM:  James Bare, DC  - = Resonance=20 Frequency Therapy... Comes of Age
10:00AM:  Eleanor Rigler-Thai = Gibbs,=20 MS - Neuro-Kinesthetics... Hope for
Paralysis
>
Session 3=20 (Afternoon) •  Modern Health Hazards and = Solutions
1:00PM: =20 Steve Ammerman - TTL - Secret Soviet Performance = Enhancer!!!
2:00PM: =20 Roger Sears - The Secret of Negative Ions
3:00PM:  Joseph Bender = -=20 Water... The Exotic Material
4:00PM:  Walter Rawls. PhD - = Prospects for=20 Our Magnetic Future

Session 4 (Evening) --- Health and=20 Energy
7:00PM:  Brian David Andersen - Harmonic Elements and the = Quantum=20 Disk
9:00PM:  Wine & Cheese

SATURDAY · March=20 27
Session 5 (Morning)  • Antigravity Concepts &=20 Reality
8:00AM:  Tom Valone - Electrogravitics... 21st Century=20 Propulsion
9:00AM:  Dan LaRochelle - David Hamel Technology... = the poor=20 man's Searl
device
10:00AM:  Rick Todish - Working Model of = an Ionic=20 Propulsion Antigravity
Craft

Session 6 (Afternoon)  = • =20 Advanced Energy Concepts
1:00PM:  Bill Beaty, BSEE - How = Electricity=20 REALLY Works!
2:00PM:  Bruce Perreault - The "Nu" = Generation=20 of Radiant Energy Devices
3:00PM:  Jeffery Hayes - Tesla = Turbines... The=20 Nest Generation!
4:00PM:  George Wiseman - Brown's Gas... Key to = a=20 Hydrogen Economy!

Session 7 (Evening) --- Keys to the 21st=20 Century
7:00PM:  Don Isaac, Jr.  - The Stirling Engine... = Revival=20 of a
"Forgotten" Technology
9pm-???:  Wine &=20 Cheese

SUNDAY ·  March 28
Session 8 = (Morning)  •=20 Exotic Technology Concepts
8:00AM:  GEET Research Parade of = Inventions -=20 3-hour live preview of
various inventors


WORKSHOP =20
THURSDAY · March 25
9:00AM:  Brian David = Andersen  -=20 Rhythms of Nature Workshop
1:00PM:  Bruce Perreault  - = Radiant=20 Energy Workshop

SUNDAY · March 28
1:00PM:  Paul=20 Pantone   - Incredible World of GEET Technology=20 Workshop
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE608E.538992A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 06:37:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA15222; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:37:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:37:07 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRz21dNZnOOwFpEED/gaBC4HCbXggIVAKkmX6L9NfXC1XH4G6Q8Knsq1tTJ From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:37:04 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Stirling Engine Message-ID: <16817-36D56010-1282@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"HXdWD3.0.lj3.J0Mrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Just received this catalog and it's got some great stuff. They have a Stirling Engine design that sits on your hand and runs off the heat coming from that hand.Cool.........THey list four different books on Stirling Engines . An Introduction To Low Temperature Stirling Engines by James R Senft. $13.95. Discribes the hand Engine, the company is planning on a kit of this motor to be in production soon. I ordered the catalog online from their website, check it out, best of all it's Free.Welcome to our home page Address:http://www.smallparts.com RB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 07:01:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24083; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:00:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:00:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3698E746.4E84CF45@harti.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:45:42 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List , PENGWYNNES@aol.com Subject: Joe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack.. References: <58b05943.369827fc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MAxmo1.0.8u5.7MMrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: PENGWYNNES@aol.com wrote: > > joe newman has a habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack and giving > them nothing in return. Please name a few individuals, who paid that money and did get anything in return. What are their names ? Have you been one of them ? >ask him about his FIRST go round when he lived in the > bayou in Louisiana with the 'gators and the yahoos. people who invested in him > them never got anything in return. he's not what he says he is. What was the exact deal ? > like p.t. barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute. Did you get that onmly from hearsay or any real evidence ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 07:01:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24117; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:00:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:00:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3695F540.535461B9@harti.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:08:32 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1P9Pk.0.ju5.BMMrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > > ************************************************************ > NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION > 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > (602) 657-3722 > email: josephnewman@earthlink.net > www.josephnewman.com > > Statement from Joseph Newman, January 7, 1999 > snip.. > I > will also put up $10,000.00 and the public will decide the > Winner ---- who will take all $20,000.00. It would be better to take the 10.000 US$ and buy a good dynamometer for it and measure the new motor and thus have a final word on the efficiency of the new motor... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 07:03:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24649; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:01:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:01:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3699F879.CDD30AD2@harti.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:11:21 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Harvey Norris Subject: Re: Thoughts... References: <916035439.23964.610@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TusKb2.0.o06.ANMrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harris, low frequency AC does not work for electrolysis ! I have already tried this. Check out: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/patlist?icnt=US&patent_number=5146395&x=21&y=5 for another OU claimed tank circuit ! Regards, Stefan. Harvey Norris wrote: > > Not many people have these air core copper magnetic coils to experiment > with, much less the time and money to construct a magnetic rotor and > commutator. > My approach is more pragmatic. Sometime this year I > hope to build an electrolysis device in the coil space. Capacitor plates > will run parallel to the magnetic field establishing the condition of a > magnetic field being at right angles to the electric. This should establish > a lorentz reaction that will allow a pulsing effect when current is sent > along a path at right angles to both fields. The idea behind this thought is > to resonate the coils at 60 hz.; allowing the "water capacitor" to partake > of a portion of the energy available in the electric field caused by > resonance.I am banking that these conditions may increase the efficiency of > the electrolysis process, especially after additional methods are tried > using high frequency. > Sincerly HDN > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 07:03:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24714; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:01:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:01:39 -0800 Message-ID: <369DE12F.733EBD3C@harti.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:21:03 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Important: Mechanical-electrical resonance principle ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rq-iw.0.j16.FNMrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I came to the conclusion, that for an OU device it is probably much demanded to have a mechanical-electrical resonance system. Wehn we look at the device: Methernitha Testatika, Hendershot converter Coler converter Newman machine we see, that all of these use a mechanical resonance coupled with a electrical resonance system. 1. Testatika has rotating discs which rotate at a fixed frequency.The LC circuits are in it are adjusted by hand to get it to run, so there must be some tuning for the right mechanical-electrical resonance. 2. The Hendershot converter has a "singing" doorbell like magnetic buzzer and it was said, it needed to be tuned in its mechanical adjustment to start the output oscillation. Again a right mechanical-electrical resonance. 3. The Coler converter uses a coupling of acoustic waves in iron metals (its magnets) and thus "standing mechanical waves" in its iron rod bars with a coupling of the electrical LC circuits. This worked probably at around 180 Khz. Again a right mechanical-electrical resonance. 4. The first biggest Newman machine, which also was the most investigated machine by external scientists, had probably a resonance frequency of the coil near the rotating frequency of the magnet. It was probably around a few Hz and the Q of this LC circuit was high due to the big wire size diameter, so the coil itsself could resonante pretty well at its resonance frequency. Again a right mechanical-electrical resonance. Today I would build a coil this way, that it could resonante itsself well at 3 to 10 Hz or so.. and has a high Q and low DC resistance, thus big wire size ! Maybe all the OU effects are all related to parametrical induced nonlinear oscillation. Think about it ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 12:07:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05444; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:07:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:07:21 -0800 Message-ID: <36D5AE29.4654005F@harti.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:10:17 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Tim Vaughan Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! References: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> <19990224.185010.12030.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rlrSH2.0.nK1.urQrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim Vaughan wrote: > > He Stefan and friends, > > After I posted the Nature article about the 32% Nickel Iron wire, I took > some iron and coated it with enamel paint as an insulator. The enamel > coatings are used by electric motor repair shops to insulate the windings > in the motor. I simply stretched a long piece out between two trees > and painted it with a sponge soaked with enamel paint. > > I made an inductor core from the wire in the form of a large toroid core. > I then wrapped magnet wire around the core as a conventional inductor. > What I hoped to see was significant changes in the inductance of the > inductor as a result of current through the iron wire in the core. I > did indeed observe a small change in inductance but it had a hysteresis > effect that I suppose was to be expected. After I altered the apparent > permeability of the core it would stay changed unless it was reversed by > a pulse in the opposite direction through the iron core. > I see, interesting ! Maybe you have to use soft iron material, so it has got not much Remanenz or the hysteresis losses are much more less... Or you have to adjust the working point in your BH diagram of the iron core this way, that it is used only in a small area, where the hysteris losses are not too much. > I was attempting to pump an LC tank circuit as a parametric oscillator by > rapidly changing the permeability of the core but I was not able to get > this to work. I could not change the permeability fast enough to pump > it at the resonant frequency. Perhaps this could still be made to work > with very large inductors like Newman coils. > > Note that the article in Nature specifies a 32 % Nickel - 68 % Iron > alloy. I did some research on this and found that this particular alloy > is called "compensator alloy" and is used in kilowatt-hour meters to > compensate for changes in temperature which would other wise effect the > accuracy of the meter. I was not able to find any wire in this form > although one company sent me a piece of sheet metal of a 30 % nickel iron > alloy. I tried making a small inductor of this and found that the > inductance did indeed change with a current through the core, but the > current was also sufficient to heat the core so it seems to be mainly a > temperature effect in this case. > > It would still be interesting to see if a Coler type device could > constructed using the 32 % nickel iron wire if some could be found or > made. Does anyone have a the ability to draw wire ? I will look around for this material. Thanks ! regards, Stefan. > > The article is posted at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/magcore.html > > Variation in the Longitudinal Incremental Permeability due to a > Superimposed Circular Field > Retyped from NATURE Page 795, October 29, 1938 > > Tim > > ( tv@juno.com ) > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:16:57 EST Keasy@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > > > ><< >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> > >This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of > >a source for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? > > Ken > >Keasy@aol.com -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 12:26:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13754; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:25:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:25:51 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990225122544.008d9790@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:25:44 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car In-Reply-To: <199902250627.QAA23838@lebunka.ion.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3JxKu1.0.lM3.C7Rrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hydrogen production; Basics of Electrolyses: Two Key parameters are most important, plate proximity, and plate surface area. To date, the most efficient system I have found is, Yull Brown's Parallel cell design. Although these systems are designed to produce Hydroxy, of a specific gas, known as Brown's Gas, as Brown was able to receive a patent for the process, under that name. This unique combination of Hydrogen and oxygen is unlike conventional hydrogen and oxygen, in that allowed to recombine in the electrolyzer, the natural affinity of Hydrogen and oxygen allows for an immediate recombination of the separated gasses. The charged structure seems to form a stable matrix, likened unto a "gaseous crystalline". Now, here in lies some of the properties that distinguish, this state of energy and matter, from other forms of Hydrate-oxy compounds. As a matrix, the bond alignments are regular and ordered, not to mention that there are no impurities, such as carbon and sulfurs, that are associated with other suspensions systems, as in natural energy suspensions such as hydrocarbons, sugars, carbohydrates. Although necessary for nature, to form stable compounds of Hydrate suspension, such is not the case with Hydroxy, "Brown's gas". It then is clearly evident, that the combustion of this gas should and does provide a unique opportunity to examine, at the purest level, the hydrogen and oxygen reaction, we might think of as fire, or combustion. A pure burn; Devoid of impure suspension elements, the Hydroxy reaction acts in a new and unexpected manner. It is quickly clear, that it is elementally discriminating, in it's thermal yields. Early testing, reviled that this Flame, if you will, would not heat water, directly. Not that unexpected, as it is water, simply taken to a higher energy state, and reacts in a neutral manner to it's self. I like to think of it as not unlike steam, but rather than thermally expanded, it is energy expanded. Further testing reveled that each element, or compound of elements, react in singularly unique manners. Tungsten quickly passes in to a state of sublimation, well above 6,000 `C, where Aluminum, rarely passes much above its melting point, and can easily be welded in an open air process, around 1,200` F. The same flame settings, quickly turn silicates, incandescent, melting the material in seconds. Thermal-graphically, the open flame of Hydroxy reads little more than the boiling point of water, about 265` F. All of this seem quite out of the ordinary, and does point the way to industrial applications yet to be developed. The key area of my interest, is in what this tells up about energy in general. One, during electrolyses, only hydrogen is formed at the negative plate, and only oxygen at the positive. There has long been speculation that electricity, and Aeitheric energies of it's formation, namely magnetism, need be bipolar, or contain a dialectic, of inverse or opposite potentials. Not to be confused with positive or negative. To risk being misunderstood, I will venture forth with the analogy of "Yin and Yang". This concept comes closest to what I have observed. Unlike polarity, as it is commonly associated, this concept of identical opposites, it more in keeping with what is indicated here. Although electrolyses is undoubtedly an electrical process, the fact that the molecule of water can be discriminated, leads me to examine electrical theories anew. Here in this process we see that atoms, absorb distinct energies from the electrical phenomenon. Further research proves that not only electricity can energize Hydroxy, but also sunlight, or the "solar photon", as direct exposure can further excite this gas. As if a threshold or a "cleaving line" is set by electrolytic excitation of water, now defines the separate sides contained in the common energy manifestation, of simple electricity. Many is the West, may have a hard time envisioning "simultaneous duality", but I hope that you are struggling with me here. The point is that the Hydroxy reaction offers us a window of observation to examine these relationships. If you will, a demarcation point, or a Zero point. Likened to the decimal point in mathematics, here is a system of energy suspension that resides precisely at that point. Pass the right, or the left, in ratio, and the entire process changes in result. A scientific reference, whereby all materials can be examined. All the best. TR Knudtson At 04:24 PM 2/25/99 +1000, you wrote: >Some thoughts on > >http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html > >the hydrogen generator made in 1983 by an 18 year old lad. > >He uses a steel bolt as the electrode (negative, hydrogen >producing) and it had a problem with being completely covered in >something which had to be brushed off regularly with a wire brush. >Could this be not impurities in the water but rust? > >If it was rust, would a carbon rod be of better use? > >How the @$#! hell did one steel bolt create enough hydrogen for a >big 8 cylinder engine? I'm going to do some electrolysis test of my >own with a 12v car battery to hopefully measure hydrogen, and >power consumption. > >How did the oxygen get out of the hole in the SIDE when oxygen >will be at the TOP of the canister? > >Wouldn't it be better to burn the oxygen as well? Does one part H >and two parts O in the gaseous form create water? Or do they >need to burn? > >If both were burned, the carburetor would have to mix a LOT less >outside air correct? > >Oxygen in the water tank should be piped to a charcoal canister >and piped into the air intake. That's what is already being used in >vehicles to stop petrol (gasoline) fumes from entering the >atmosphere. A higher oxygen content would make it burn a lot >better too correct? > >The water filter should not be in the flow of the canister but in the >water intake when you pour it in IMO. > >For my first tests I will try a small (100x150mm) sheet of stainless >steel (not sure what type) and a small carbon rod in a jar of water. > >I did this at school a long time ago with a jar and two nails which >rusted up in about 5 minutes. A test tube was placed over each >nail and the gas collected in the top of the tubes, pushing the water >out. > >Only small amounts were made with the small (2inch) nails...about >30mm of hydrogen in the top of the test tube in about 5 minutes. > >The power was only a 12v power supply, and I suspect a 12v car >battery makes a lot more. > > >From, > Paul (Quantum Business Systems) > www.quantumsystems.com.au > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 12:35:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18500; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:35:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:35:36 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:27:19 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:34:56 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:27:51 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car In-reply-to: <36D32BBC.32B732E@harti.com> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:27:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1945ZXUPM306F X400-MTS-identifier: [;91725152209991/3554751@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"X-a-R.0.zW4.NGRrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan, After reading his entertaining article it boiled down to his basic premise of: "A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 percent efficiency" If this was true every power plant in the world would be using it because it would be an OU system of free energy. A couple of months ago when this item first hit the list, I thought someone had said this guy was in jail? Now this new guy who is popping up on news stories all over the place sounds like some kind of catalyst system. Perhaps along the lines of the "Shaken not Stirred" thread that was on this list a couple of months ago. This was the method of shaking copper powder in water to separate the hydrogen & oxygen. Has anybody looked into this? Is the copper consumed? Copper oxide? Recyclable? Cost of copper consumed -vs- value of fuel generated? Bill webriggs@concentric.net >Has anybody seen this card of this Rock-musician ? >Or is this only a joke ? >When it is true, what he writes, why did this not get >more published ?? >Regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 12:42:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA21825; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:42:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:42:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990225122625.22c75460@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:26:25 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Norris magnetic ring motor In-Reply-To: <919940428.20186.774@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xXCem1.0.tK5.dMRrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey and all, At 03:00 AM 2/25/99 PST, you wrote: > Imagine a copper magnetic motor that has a ring armature that rotates >freely in space with no connections > Imagine a hula hoop or plastic toroidal magnet container. You have many >aluminum and neodmium discs that you shove into the hoop in alternating >sequence until the ring is completed. Before this ring is completed field >windings are slipped over the width of the hoop before closing it in a ring >formation. Each of these field coils have an appreciable air gap between >their interior diameters and the ring diameter encompassed in a section so >that the ring can freely spin in this space with no support or bearings. >Each of the field coils are the length of the discs. Let us start by >considering this system without the aluminum and an air space instead. >Aligning the magnets all in the exterior polar space of the field coils and >inputing a dc amperage to the field coils will result in the hoop picking >itself up and suspending itself perfectly in the interior space that the >ring occupies with no other physical contacts. This happens because each >magnet will go to the position where it is in maximum field alignment with >its corresponding field coil. > I do not think the ring will suspend itself unless you also come up with some spin mechanism like a levitron top. The maximum radial field strength of a field coil is at the coil, not at the center of its bore. Yoy can test this with a magnet and a normal air-core solenoid. At sufficient current, the solenoidal coil will pick up the magnet, but it will be at the walls, not the center of the bore. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 12:47:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA24000; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:47:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:47:02 -0800 Message-ID: <36D5AD6B.C2241871@harti.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:07:07 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Vaughan , Free Energy Subject: Re: Chernetskii and Negative resistance References: <36D1DD46.E0F9696A@harti.com> <19990222.193307.6726.0.tv@juno.com> <36D22D7B.C2AC193F@harti.com> <19990224.185010.12030.2.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hKkm.0.ls5.4RRrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim Vaughan wrote: > > >>Correa claims he has detected the PAGD effect in fluorescent tubes. > >> > >I see, sound realistic ! > >How much current did he put into it at which DC voltage ?? > > About 500 volts from lead acid battery packs as I understand it. Thanks for the info. > > >> I too heard about the negative resistance with carbon composite > resistors > >> and it sure sounded like a "free energy: device. Strange, it seems to > >> have gone underground. > > >Have you heard anything about it ? > > Not since the brief articles appeared in newspapers which had very little > technical information. Maybe someone can call them: Office of Technology Transfer Mr. Lohrman 716-645-3811 Let me know, what he will say. Thanks ! regards, Stefan. > > Tim > > ( tv@juno.com ) -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 12:55:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA27510; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:55:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:55:29 -0800 Message-ID: <002701be6101$4b50ca40$3ddb97d0@d2w2x9> From: "Norm" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Joe_Newman=B4s_habit_of_taking_money_from_people_$5k_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_a_crack..?= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:56:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Un2I23.0.lj6.1ZRrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To all list members: I have been off-line for a few days. I changed over from W-95, to Windows-98. In the process, I lost my "Navigator", and got stuck with "Explorer". So, I am learning a new system of mail. If I make a few mistakes, please bear with me whilst I am on my "learning- curve". I wish to reply to Stefan Hartmann's comment on Newman taking money from "Investors", and giving nothing in return. I am going to give you a better example. Try this one: Newman gets 1/2 Million Dollars from one investor, and gives him NOTHING in return! Now, just to make sure there is no mistaking the amount, I will spell it out: ONE-HALF Million Dollars. Let me now give everyone food for thought. On the first of January, 1999, Joe Newman (In a Statement) pronounced the formation of a NON-PROFIT Organization. I would imagine that means that all of his "Investors" will see NO return on their money. In addition, since the February 1st, 1999 Statement, by Newman, about accepting $7,000.00 per copy, for his motor, the Statement of January 1st, 1999, is not to be found on the Net. It has been removed. Curious! I would be appreciative if someone could enlighten me on these. Regards, Norm Biss 2-25-99 normpems@erie.net -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; Newman-L Mailing List ; PENGWYNNES@aol.com Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: Joe Newman´s habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack.. >PENGWYNNES@aol.com wrote: >> >> joe newman has a habit of taking money from people $5k at a crack and giving >> them nothing in return. > >Please name a few individuals, who paid that money and did >get anything in return. >What are their names ? > >Have you been one of them ? > > >>ask him about his FIRST go round when he lived in the >> bayou in Louisiana with the 'gators and the yahoos. people who invested in him >> them never got anything in return. he's not what he says he is. > >What was the exact deal ? > >> like p.t. barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute. > >Did you get that onmly from hearsay or any real evidence ? > >Regards, Stefan. > >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 13:38:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA04087; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:36:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:36:47 -0800 (PST) MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:27:37 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:34:54 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:42:55 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car In-reply-to: <005b01be60c4$a0177160$6d1a0fcb@gsawyer> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:27:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1940ZXUPNIH5I X400-MTS-identifier: [;73726152209991/3554997@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"3xWWR2.0.Z_.c9Srs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Glenville, Just as it is in comedy, timing is everything in an IC engine. If this was a pure Hydrogen Oxygen engine (not using outside air) we would have an implosion instead of an explosion, because a large volume of gas would convert to a small volume of water. You would need to change the timing closer to near bottom dead center, instead of near top dead center. In a gasoline engine the fuel burns slower than pure hydrogen because it takes a while for the Oxygen to untangle the hydrocarbon molecule. The Hydrogen-Oxygen combination still implodes, offset somewhat by heat expansion of water vapor. The Hydrogen-Carbon initially about neutral, then expanding with the heat. It's the heat transfer to the inert nitrogen that causes the primary explosive expansion. I would think in the Rock Star's design there is enough Oxygen in the outside air to burn the generated Hydrogen, any extra would be superfluous. Maybe even detrimental to have extra hot Oxygen, because it would want to combine with something, like maybe the engine components? Then again maybe he was using the generated Oxygen, and that was why he changed some of the engine components to Stainless Steel. It's kind of hard to read his freehand mechanical drawing, that looks like it could have been drawn on the back of a napkin. Your using outside air nitrogen to expand, but you are still closer to an implosion condition with Hydrogen burning than with a mixed Hydrocarbon burn. So it is bound to affect the timing requirements. Bill webriggs@concentric.net >One Comment that this latest article does inspire, back when we were all >discussing the "Joe" reactor system, the comment was firmly made about the >fact that using a conventional (unmodified) I.C engine, the Ignition >timing needed to be advanced by 30 Degrees or even much greater to allow >smooth and reliable running - although "Joe", was NOT using any sort of >Vapor adaptor on His carby's - interesting observation. >Is the timing issue not relevant when the gas is fed in via a "standard" >(e.g LPG) "vapor ring" ? >If so - WHY ? - to my mechanical mind - provided the fuel is being >delivered (or sucked in) to the chambers - and all other motor parameters >are the same - then the timing should not need to be adjusted (other than >within normal tolerances) - feeding the fuel, in a different manner still >(should) deliver the "juice" to the "pots", no matter what happens on the >carby side of the inlet manifold. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 16:41:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA10628; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:40:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:40:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:40:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199902260040.BAA05116@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: normpems@erie.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: N. Biss designed latest Newman motor, questions... Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA10603 Resent-Message-ID: <"wIio93.0.yb2.1sUrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9065 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Mr. Biss, finally I got your email address. I already wanted to contact you by phone... I have worked over the last 15 years more or less with ideas of the Newman machines and also build 3 small prototypes. See: http://www.overunity.de/newman2 for the latest infos etc... As you have written up this report, how Joe Newman "stole" the motor built by your company, may I ask you a few questions ? 1. Did you now build the 2nd prototype motor, that was in the contract between Newman and your boss ? Has this already been tested by you ? What are the results ? 2. if not, are you planning to build one now ? If not, why not ? 3. Why did Newman or you change the concept and did build the coils into the rotor and not into the stator as before in former motors ? (because of flux leckage considerations ?) I think putting the coils into the rotor is very difficult, cause you have to build a much more complex commutator ! I would rather again build it with a rotating permanent magnet and make sure the flux leackage is minimized at the stator coils. 4. Have you studied J.L. Naudin´s and my web site for the latest infos on our Newman research ? What do you think about our results ? (which was also summarized in a recent article of Mike Carrel in Infinite Energy journal Issue 23, 1999 page 31 and 32 .) It seems the key effect is rather in the spark gap than any other effect, which is simular to the Correa PAGD effect and the Chernetski self generating discharge effect. 5. Naudin came to the conclusion, that indeed the mechanical output can be higher than the electrical input. Do you belive this also from the point of building the latest Newman motor ? ( I at least hope you have done a few test runs by now with the 2nd model you had to build due to the Newman contract...) I would really like to hear your point of view. Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. P.S.: I am not interested in the legal battle between you and Mr. Newman, cause you both have totally different "working setup manners", I guess.. I am only interested in the truth about the efficiency of the machine and want to hear both sides of views. Newman now claims, that with a new (different than yours) winding of the coils he is getting around 250 to 300 % mechanical efficiency versus DC input. >At 22:03 19.02.99 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >The forward was intended to be sent to the list for >dissemination. I apologize for the error in addressing >the post wrongly. > >Respectfully, >Norm Biss >Erie, Pa. >2-19-99 > >normpems@erie.net > > >Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:42:36 -0500 >From: Norm Biss >To: pop79@altavista.net >CC: normpems@erie.net >Subject: Re: Newmans Motor >Hello Pop, > >In answer to your question, I am going to direct you to a >URL which will tell you most of what you want to know. >My name is Norm Biss, and I COMPLETELY designed, drew-up the >Blueprints for, and the Company I am employed by, built the >prototype which Joe Newman is >using for his Demonstrations. I am sure that you will >have questions about this, but please go to the URL and >read it first. Thank You. The URL: > >http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm > >Regards, >Norm Biss >Erie, Pa. >2-19-99 > >normpems@erie.net > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 17:21:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24161; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:20:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:20:45 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Message-ID: <19990225.201401.4527.0.shea6@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-12,14-58 From: Shaughn Shea Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:16:45 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"n9vIh.0.Jv5.hRVrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9066 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: While I am new to the list, I reserve my right to issue a resounding "what?!?". I came on after the aforementioned Shaken not Stirred article, and quite frankly that sounds absolutly ridiculous from the standpoint of chemistry. Would someone my summing up what it was, or am I correct in assuming it is of as much foolishness as Briggs' comparison made it sound. Copper dividing H2O by itself to produce hydrogen is foolish, rusting copper could produce (although exceedingly neglible) amounts of hydrogen in that the h2o breaks up to oxidate (rust) the copper, but submersed copper won't rust, at least not within a lifetime, which, by most standard rules out any reasonable use. Shaughn Shea On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:27:51 -0500 (EDT) Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 writes: >Stefan, > >After reading his entertaining article it boiled down to his basic >premise >of: > >"A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 >percent >efficiency" > >If this was true every power plant in the world would be using it >because >it would be an OU system of free energy. > >A couple of months ago when this item first hit the list, I thought >someone >had said this guy was in jail? > >Now this new guy who is popping up on news stories all over the place >sounds like some kind of catalyst system. Perhaps along the lines of >the >"Shaken not Stirred" thread that was on this list a couple of months >ago. >This was the method of shaking copper powder in water to separate the >hydrogen & oxygen. Has anybody looked into this? Is the copper >consumed? >Copper oxide? Recyclable? Cost of copper consumed -vs- value of fuel > >generated? > >Bill >webriggs@concentric.net > > >>Has anybody seen this card of this Rock-musician ? > >>Or is this only a joke ? > >>When it is true, what he writes, why did this not get >>more published ?? > >>Regards, Stefan. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 17:23:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06986; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:22:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:22:22 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Message-ID: <19990225.201401.4527.1.shea6@juno.com> References: <199902250627.QAA23838@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 16-78 From: Shaughn Shea Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:16:45 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"hObx32.0.xi1.9TVrs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: As far as I know, You can't have it "burn" the an O2 and H2 premix. When you premix, you create water wapor and an excess of either (though not both) gas. Water vapor doesn't combust, which makes a combustion engine kinda slow... :) Using the oxygen produce to be used in the combustion would work, but the regulation would be crucial. Combust straight O2 and the car goes boom. Same with straight H2. While eliminating impuritites taken in from the air, a dual gas injection system without a carb would be quite a project. Also, the air has a doping effect of lowering the risk of excessive explosion,and includes the n2 which is needed to complete the combustion, both which are typically good things. Also with a excess of o2 in the reaction, the oxygen would probably rust the crap out of the engine itself, unless it was stainless, but building a stainless engine, (which is including all the little things which would rust first) on top of designing a new type of fuel injector, ain't cheap. Buuuut, a closed system would make a damn fine way of building a green car, but even that would end up losing something and would need a "recharge", kinda like the freon in a car air conditioner does. My $0.02 Shaughn Shea On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:24:01 +1000 pop79@altavista.net writes: >Some thoughts on > >http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html > >the hydrogen generator made in 1983 by an 18 year old lad. > >He uses a steel bolt as the electrode (negative, hydrogen >producing) and it had a problem with being completely covered in >something which had to be brushed off regularly with a wire brush. >Could this be not impurities in the water but rust? > >If it was rust, would a carbon rod be of better use? > >How the @$#! hell did one steel bolt create enough hydrogen for a >big 8 cylinder engine? I'm going to do some electrolysis test of my >own with a 12v car battery to hopefully measure hydrogen, and >power consumption. > >How did the oxygen get out of the hole in the SIDE when oxygen >will be at the TOP of the canister? > >Wouldn't it be better to burn the oxygen as well? Does one part H >and two parts O in the gaseous form create water? Or do they >need to burn? > >If both were burned, the carburetor would have to mix a LOT less >outside air correct? > >Oxygen in the water tank should be piped to a charcoal canister >and piped into the air intake. That's what is already being used in >vehicles to stop petrol (gasoline) fumes from entering the >atmosphere. A higher oxygen content would make it burn a lot >better too correct? > >The water filter should not be in the flow of the canister but in the >water intake when you pour it in IMO. > >For my first tests I will try a small (100x150mm) sheet of stainless >steel (not sure what type) and a small carbon rod in a jar of water. > >I did this at school a long time ago with a jar and two nails which >rusted up in about 5 minutes. A test tube was placed over each >nail and the gas collected in the top of the tubes, pushing the water >out. > >Only small amounts were made with the small (2inch) nails...about >30mm of hydrogen in the top of the test tube in about 5 minutes. > >The power was only a 12v power supply, and I suspect a 12v car >battery makes a lot more. > > >From, > Paul (Quantum Business Systems) > www.quantumsystems.com.au > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Feb 25 20:35:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA25623; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:35:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:33:41 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36db22e0.105079318@mail-hub> References: <199902250627.QAA23838@lebunka.ion.com.au> <19990225.201401.4527.1.shea6@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <19990225.201401.4527.1.shea6@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XKqCh.0.FG6.vHYrs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:16:45 EST, Shaughn Shea wrote: >As far as I know, You can't have it "burn" the an O2 and H2 premix. When >you premix, you create water wapor and an excess of either (though not >both) gas. Water vapor doesn't combust, which makes a combustion engine >kinda slow... :) Using the oxygen produce to be used in the combustion >would work, but the regulation would be crucial. Combust straight O2 and >the car goes boom. Same with straight H2. AFAIK *straight* O2 doesn't "combust" at all. Straight H2 will only combust in various other gasses, not by itself (at least if you restrict yourself to ordinary chemistry). If Mills is correct about hydrino production, then I think there is a chance that an engine might run on pure hydrogen (no other gasses present), if the spark is long and fat i.e. as large as possible. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 00:25:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA04867; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:24:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <003801be6162$ad2f4c80$90fbfea9@eugene-buchanan> From: "Eugene Buchanan" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:33:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"6cj2k3.0.yB1.Dfbrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has any one experimented with arcing electricity through water in a car engine cylinder, exploding the water to produce a power stroke. Then burning the O2/H2 mixture formed to producean endothermic flame and suction power cycle. It might be a way to make an efficient electric engine. Just a thought that I had alwile ago. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 01:03:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA14489; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:03:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:03:48 -0800 Message-ID: <006b01be609d$b57aabc0$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: "David Callaghan" From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:00:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BKIjO.0.IY3.qDcrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Shaughn The 'Copper' in question was actually copper oxide. Separation did not occur without mechanical stirring - which led the researchers to believe that some sort of mechanical interaction is taking place. I have tried copper oxide (and many other metal compounds) in electrolysis cells without beneficial effect apart from making nasty smells :-) (From another of your mails) AFAIK, neither Oxygen or Hydrogen will combust alone. I thought combustion was a chemical reaction, although I have also 'heard' that hydrogen and some other gases can be 'forced' to burn alone somehow. Someone on the list may know more about this. Does anyone have any more information re RQM apart from the info on their site? Best regards David Callaghan -----Original Message----- From: Shaughn Shea >While I am new to the list, I reserve my right to issue a resounding >"what?!?". I came on after the aforementioned Shaken not Stirred article, >and quite frankly that sounds absolutly ridiculous from the standpoint of >chemistry. Would someone my summing up what it was, or am I correct in >assuming it is of as much foolishness as Briggs' comparison made it >sound. Copper dividing H2O by itself to produce hydrogen is foolish, >rusting copper could produce (although exceedingly neglible) amounts of >hydrogen in that the h2o breaks up to oxidate (rust) the copper, but >submersed copper won't rust, at least not within a lifetime, which, by >most standard rules out any reasonable use. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 06:08:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA21564; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:07:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:07:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261407.AAA03831@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts2m01.the-gc.net [203.55.161.101] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:46:38 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"sSyQQ1.0.rG5.-ggrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 25 Feb 99 at 12:25, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > Hydrogen production; Basics of Electrolyses: > > Two Key parameters are most important, plate proximity, and plate surface > area. I came to that conclusion. Two small wires in water only have a small amount of electricity jumping between them, but a whole cylinder has more, and the closer they are the...what? more? jump across? > To date, the most efficient system I have found is, Yull Brown's Parallel > cell design. Although these systems are designed to produce Hydroxy, of a > specific gas, known as Brown's Gas, as Brown was able to receive a patent > for the process, under that name. This unique combination of Hydrogen and > oxygen is unlike conventional hydrogen and oxygen, in that allowed to > recombine in the electrolyzer, the natural affinity of Hydrogen and oxygen > allows for an immediate recombination of the separated gasses. The charged > structure seems to form a stable matrix, likened unto a "gaseous > crystalline". Interesting. So burning this gas in an engine will melt it ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 06:08:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA21604; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261407.AAA03828@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts2m01.the-gc.net [203.55.161.101] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:39:00 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"LyRt8.0.KH5.0hgrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 25 Feb 99 at 20:16, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > would work, but the regulation would be crucial. Combust straight O2 and > the car goes boom. Same with straight H2. While eliminating impuritites I dont think so...my $0.02 tells me that O doesnt burn by itself. A fuel of some sort has to be combined with the O to burn. The big blimp didn't blow up...the H burned with the air. > risk of excessive explosion,and includes the n2 which is needed to > complete the combustion, both which are typically good things. Also with > a excess of o2 in the reaction, the oxygen would probably rust the crap > out of the engine itself, unless it was stainless, but building a What does the N do? I agree that using H and outside air in a gas carby is the easiest. It's a start at least. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 06:08:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA21661; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261407.AAA03842@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts2m01.the-gc.net [203.55.161.101] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:57:33 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"tVAPI1.0.GI5.5hgrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 26 Feb 99 at 0:33, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > Has any one experimented with arcing electricity through water in a car > engine cylinder, exploding the water to produce a power stroke. Then burning > the O2/H2 mixture formed to producean endothermic flame and suction power > cycle. It might be a way to make an efficient electric engine. > Just a thought that I had alwile ago. Yah, that would be the true 100% ZERO EMISSION engine I thought of today ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 06:08:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA21616; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261407.AAA03836@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts2m01.the-gc.net [203.55.161.101] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:55:57 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"yWRFg.0.WH5.0hgrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 25 Feb 99 at 15:42, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > Just as it is in comedy, timing is everything in an IC engine. > > If this was a pure Hydrogen Oxygen engine (not using outside air) we would > have an implosion instead of an explosion, because a large volume of gas > would convert to a small volume of water. You would need to change the > timing closer to near bottom dead center, instead of near top dead center. Ahhhh, IMPLOSION. > In a gasoline engine the fuel burns slower than pure hydrogen because it > takes a while for the Oxygen to untangle the hydrocarbon molecule. The > Hydrogen-Oxygen combination still implodes, offset somewhat by heat > expansion of water vapor. The Hydrogen-Carbon initially about neutral, > then expanding with the heat. It's the heat transfer to the inert nitrogen > that causes the primary explosive expansion. Hmmmm, now I understand...you need ye old air for an expansion. > Then again maybe he was using the generated Oxygen, and that was why he > changed some of the engine components to Stainless Steel. No he wasn't...he pumped that back to the water tank which exited out the tank vent. I think it should be piped separately out near the exhaust pipe, away from STEEL :) I think if you allow any gas to develope in the tank would be dangerous (it would be possible for hydrogen to get in there). > It's kind of hard to read his freehand mechanical drawing, that >looks like it could have been drawn on the back of a napkin. Took me a while...you need the TIFF files. I think his main design fault is in the oxygen pumping and the placement on his electrodes. > Your using outside air nitrogen to expand, but you are still closer to an > implosion condition with Hydrogen burning than with a mixed Hydrocarbon > burn. So it is bound to affect the timing requirements. But what is the exhaust gasses? Outside air has carbon-dioxide, oxygen and nitrogen (among others). There would be some burnt oil (depending on your rings ;-) Glenville...) and the engine case gases are mean to be burnt according to law I think... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 06:08:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA21697; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:08:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261407.AAA03852@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: lebunka.ion.com.au: ts2m01.the-gc.net [203.55.161.101] didn't use HELO protocol From: "Pop" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:26:48 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Reply-to: pop79@altavista.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Resent-Message-ID: <"xvJdL3.0.wI5.8hgrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 26 Feb 99 at 0:07, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > Glenville T. Sawyer > Re: Some thoughts on http://record3.pac.utexas.edu/inlex/water/water.html > > In fact if we look at the "Joe" Hydrogen reactor, He (IIRC) specifically > specificed > that "Food Grade" Stainless Steel be used, in fact when I tested with a > higher > grade of S-S, then the deposits appeared to be markedly reduced. > (subjective observation only). Nice. > >If it was rust, would a carbon rod be of better use? > > No I think that this would introduce a lot of "unknowns" into the equation, > the other thing to consider is the extra resistance that would be introduced > into the process, that will of course have a direct effect upon the required > apllied voltage and current requirements. > - Hey not saying it won't or don't try it - Please DO !!! All input is > good input :-) Well my first test was with all i had on hand. 1 bottle of tap water, two 200mm lengths of coathanger wire and some 20amp wire. Obviously TOO MUCH RESISTANCE...all I got was tiny bubbles...you obviously need SURFACE AREA. But how much? Excuse my electronic incompetence but the surface area would also change the AMPS used correct. I dont have ANY test equipment (maybe my $19 multi-metre which would probably blow up if it LOOKED at the 12v car battery) > >How the @$#! hell did one steel bolt create enough hydrogen for a > >big 8 cylinder engine? I'm going to do some electrolysis test of my > >own with a 12v car battery to hopefully measure hydrogen, and > >power consumption. > > I was surprised by the high yield of even my small test cells, so looking > at this > "new" design - I think it would be on a par with the "Joe" cell. Nice...could you be more specific? How much gas? > These were immersed in Tap Water - which for those that might not be > aware, > Adelaide in South Australia has been nationally spotlighted for many years > as having > possibly the worst tap water in the continent, Most of the Metropolitan > region > were provided with filtered water a few years back - which helped, but > as I out in a basically rural area it has only been improved in this region > during the last 12 months or so. - Have NOT tested with Rainwater, which > we > do have plenty of stored here, and would certainly steer away from High > salinity > water sources - due to the possibility of more rapid contamination of the > electrodes. I've been told that PURE H2O doesnt conduct electricity...it needs metals in it (eg potasium, magnesium etc) I want to do tests on tap water and spring water (from the bottles). > Regarding current required - ( My test cells ).. > > At 12 volts - the current drain was around 0.25 Amp, at 24 volts the current > dropped to > below the calculated / expected current flow - IIRC was around 95 mils @ > 24.0 V > I used D.C - others may wish to comment on A.C vs D.C - although the > original "Joe" > used D.C from his car battery, and stated that he could keep the cell > "activated" with a > small 1.5 or 3.0 volt battery. > > I used a well regulated and accurate monitoring of the Voltage / Current > applied / drawn > (as the case may be). I'm very interested in your tests. > >The power was only a 12v power supply, and I suspect a 12v car > >battery makes a lot more. I'm guessing the amp usage depends on the surface area, water conductivity and actual materials used. > I will be interested to hear of your results - in respect of Current flow > VS Applied > E. on your test cell - keep up the good work, I am looking at ways to > organise > funding to allow me to modify a 4 Cyclinder motor. Why not make an electoliser that produces an acceptable flow rate of gas, then work on the car? > Hell I have to get the one I drive around in fixed up first - rattle in > Number ! > - looks like new rings AGAIN - second set in that Pot in 6 Months, GRRRR ! > (but that runs on "leaded" fuel - still ! Must be a Sigma or a Camira or a Datsun of some sort ;-) I'm looking at an old Gemini. > One Comment that this latest article does inspire, back when we were all > discussing the > "Joe" reactor system, the comment was firmly made about the fact that using The web page I saw is too sketchy and doesn't make sense to me. > Is the timing issue not relevant when the gas is fed in via a "standard" > (e.g LPG) "vapor ring" ? > > If so - WHY ? - to my mechanical mind - provided the fuel is being > delivered (or sucked in) > to the chambers - and all other motor parameters are the same - then the > timing should > not need to be adjusted (other than within normal tolerances) - feeding the > fuel, in a > different manner still (should) deliver the "juice" to the "pots", no matter > what happens > on the carby side of the inlet manifold. I would just set the timing to where it doesn't 'ping' ;-) I've burned hydrogen out of a test tube and it pops instantly... > Yes I agree the Hydrogen mix would burn a lot "faster" and Hotter than a > normally fuelled > motor, and I am aware that incorrect static valve timing and Ignition timing > can greatly > affect the operating temperature of the block, but I still fail to see HOW > this factor was > importantly stressed by "Joe", and yet did not even rate a mention by > "Rampage" ! I think the Rampage guy was on too many drugs and he is missing vital details... > P.S I / When I can get asystem going, I have some ideas for the control of > the > shut-offs and selection of the electrodes etc etc. > ( this IS in my area of expertise - among others) ;-) I will try to upload this diagram of my own...untested ofcourse :) http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/nova/229/hydrogen/hydro01.gif ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop, sweltering away in summer Email: pop@ion.com.au (ISP) pop79@altavista.net (forwarded, preffered) pop79@mailexcite.com (backup) WWW: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/nova/229/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 06:59:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA09599; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:58:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:58:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261458.PAA10872@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:56:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-l5W.0.uL2.jQhrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > that an engine might run on pure hydrogen (no other gasses present), if the > spark is long and fat i.e. as large as possible. I do have a device which makes sparks longer and fatter... Rolls Royce uses this very simple and small thing in their mobiles... If an engine run's only on hydrogen, is it more efficient..??.. Aris From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 07:09:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA14027; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:09:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:09:18 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:02:25 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:08:23 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:24:10 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Hydrogen Car In-reply-to: <19990225.201401.4527.0.shea6@juno.com> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:02:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1946ZXUQECK8Y X400-MTS-identifier: [;52200162209991/3556526@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"CUjAO3.0.2R3.Uahrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: David, Thanks, I stand corrected "copper oxide in powder form". Shaughn, >While I am new to the list, I reserve my right to issue a resounding >"what?!?". I couldn't have put it better myself when I first read about it. So for your benefit I'll repost the original article from Chuck Davis. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv The article 'Stirred and shaken' in the latest New Scientist (Nov 14 1998 [NS]) tells about a chemical anomaly, which might be interesting for those consciousness theorists trying to identify mechanisms generating coherent light in biosystems. Japanese chemist Kazamuri Dozen and his colleagues have observed mysterious splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen at room temperature using a simple catalyst (copper oxide in powder form) and by stirring the liquid. The quicker the container is stirred the more hydrogen and oxygen are produced. Usually the splitting occurs at temperature of about 3000 C, which suggests the energy .3 eV for the O-H bond (I would be happy if someone could provide the precise value of the energy) and is driven by light. Domen believes that a direct transformation of the kinetic energy of the liquid motion to chemical energy must take place: standard wisdom allows only the transformation *kinetic energy to thermal energy to chemical energy*. There is no idea about the underlying mechanism and new physics might be involved. Article also tells that already 1980 analogous direct transformation of acoustic energy to chemical energy was discovered and gave rise to the field of sonochemistry. There is also the mysterious phenomenon of sonoluminescence and I have told in earlier posting about possible TGD based explanation of sonoluminescence in terms of quantum antenna hypothesis (for the quantum antenna hypothesis and its connection to sonoluminescence see [antenna] ). An attractive possibility is that liquid motion somehow generates coherent light which in turn drives the reaction Quantum antenna hypothesis states that various linear structures, in particular microtubules, can serve as sources of coherent light. Coherent light is created by light like vacuum em currents at almost vacuum spacetime sheet associated with the structure in question. Effect is purely TGD:eish and implied by the induced gauge field concept: in standard model electromagnetic currents involve always elementary particles as charge carriers. Strictly lightlike currents with elementary particles as charge carriers are not even possible since all known charged particles are massive. The first TGD based mechanism explaining the anomalous splitting of hydrogen coming into mind is following. a) Stirring creates linear cylindrical vortex like structures, which are accompanied by spacetime sheets carrying light like vacuum currents. The splitting to oxygen and hydrogen is driven by the coherent light emitted by the vacuum currents. The energies for the photons of the coherent light come as multiples of E= pi/L, where L is the length of the linear structures involved. L should be very roughly of order 10^(-6) meters to give rise to quanta with energy E larger than E about .1 eV. One cannot say much about the role of the catalyst powder: if the size of the powder particle determines the length of the linear structures then effect should depend on the size of the powder particle and become small for large powder particles. b) The rotational motion creates classical Z0 magnetic fields (purely TGD:eish effect) realized as Z0 magnetic flux tubes and a natural expectation is that these flux tubes are accompanied by cylindrical spacetime sheets carrying light like vacuum currents. Since quarks feed their Z0 gauge fluxes to the spacetime sheets having typically twice the cell size, the length of the cylindrical structures would be of correct order of magnitude of about 10^(-6) meters. In fact, the generation of Z^0 magnetic flux tubes was suggested already many years ago to lead to the observed breaking of the super fluidity at much smaller critical velocity than predicted by standard physics [super]. What is interesting from the point of view of consciousness theorizing is that in gel-phase vigorous streaming of intracellular liquid occurs. Could the function of the streaming be the generation of lightlike vacuum current emitting coherent biophotons. Could it be possible to test this hypothesis by looking for an additional sink of metabolic energy in cell? I remember from some discussion group that there is evidence for an anomalous sink of metabolic energy. Perhaps Stuart Hameroff knows something about this? ******* References [NS] 'Stirred and Shaken', New Scientist, No 2160, Nov 14 1998. [antenna] The chapter 'Microtubules as quantum antennas' in the book 'TGD inspired theory of consciousness ...' http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/cbook.html#Ch17. [super] The chapter 'Macroscopic quantum phenomena and CP_ geometry' in the book 'TGD' http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/tgd.html#Ch25. With Best, Matti Pitkanen -- .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ -/--Chuck Davis -------\-----/---\---/-\---/---\-----/-----\-------/-------\-- RoshiCorp@ROSHI.com \ / \_/ `-' \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-' http://www.his.com/~emerald7/roshi.cmp/roshi.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 08:40:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA12354; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:39:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:39:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261639.RAA01407@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:37:05 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0CvZy2.0.u03.Mvirs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Glenville, > > Just as it is in comedy, timing is everything in an IC engine. > > If this was a pure Hydrogen Oxygen engine (not using outside air) we would > have an implosion instead of an explosion, because a large volume of gas > would convert to a small volume of water. You would need to change the > timing closer to near bottom dead center, instead of near top dead center. And also a totally different engine construction... More like two stroke with different valves....(cause of implosion..)..... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 09:06:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA22819; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:06:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:06:33 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <19990226170820625.AAA168@mail3.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"Rkyxg2.0.Ra5.PIjrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >AFAIK *straight* O2 doesn't "combust" at all. Hi Robin, I recall this statement being made before that O2 doesn't combust, and I was curious as to just what the explosion hazards are when working with electrolytic systems. I know that a lot of the people on this list are amateur experimenters of various ages and experience, and I also know that there more people than normal that are motivated to experiment with these designs because of the expected year 2000 interruptions of the gas and electrical supplies. I, myself, am planning to do some building this year of some electrolytic devices, and needed some accurate info on the explosion hazards of O2. All of the O2 welding bottles that I have seen have warnings on them, all of the hospital oxygen tents have warnings on them, and then there was that NASA training capsule that blew up in the late sixties that was due to a spark in an enclosed space containing pure O2. I've always just took it for granted that O2 was explosive. I'm also concerned that with all of the people looking for alternative energy sources in the upcoming months, a very real scenario might be that fire departments will have to respond to more fires resulting from the construction of these homebrew energy devices just because the builders got some bad information on the internet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging experimentation, but if we are going to build things, let's do it right, and get our information right. Let us not underplay the dangers involved with these gases. I looked up the MSDS for O2. -Knuke CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS -- 477568 OXYGEN MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET FSC: 6830 NIIN: 00F030640 Manufacturer's CAGE: 51404 Part No. Indicator: A Part Number/Trade Name: 477568 OXYGEN =========================================================================== General Information =========================================================================== Company's Name: CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS CORP. Company's Street: 63 NORTH STREET Company's City: MEDFIELD Company's State: MA Company's Country: US Company's Zip Code: 02052-2308 Company's Emerg Ph #: 508-359-7711 Company's Info Ph #: 800-888-8372 Record No. For Safety Entry: 001 Tot Safety Entries This Stk#: 001 Status: SE Date MSDS Prepared: 09MAY91 Safety Data Review Date: 20OCT93 Preparer's Company: CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS CORP. Preparer's St Or P. O. Box: 63 NORTH STREET Preparer's City: MEDFIELD Preparer's State: MA Preparer's Zip Code: 02052-2308 MSDS Serial Number: BSLLW =========================================================================== Ingredients/Identity Information =========================================================================== Proprietary: NO Ingredient: OXYGEN (GAS) Ingredient Sequence Number: 01 Percent: 100 NIOSH (RTECS) Number: RS2060000 CAS Number: 7782-44-7 =========================================================================== Physical/Chemical Characteristics =========================================================================== Appearance And Odor: COLORLESS/ODORLESS GAS Vapor Density (Air=1): 1.105 Percent Volatiles By Volume: 100 =========================================================================== Fire and Explosion Hazard Data =========================================================================== Extinguishing Media: APPROPRIATE FOR SURROUNDING FIRE Special Fire Fighting Proc: EVACUATE ALL PERSONEL TO A SAFE DISTANCE. IMMEDIATELY SHUT OFF O2 GAS IF POSSIBLE, SUPPLY WATER FROM MAXIMUM DISTANCE UNTIL COOL. REMOVE CYLINDERS IF POSSIBLE. Unusual Fire And Expl Hazrds: HIGH OXIDIZING ATMOSPHERE INCREASE LIKELIHOOD OF FIRES. OXYGEN VIGOROUSLY SUPPORTS COMBUSTION. =========================================================================== Reactivity Data =========================================================================== Stability: YES Cond To Avoid (Stability): TEMPERATURES >125F Materials To Avoid: REACTS EXPLOSIVELY W/PHOSPHINE, HYDRAZINE, ETHERS, ALCOHOLS, HYDROGEN SULFIDE, HYDRO CARBONS Hazardous Poly Occur: NO =========================================================================== Health Hazard Data =========================================================================== Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES Route Of Entry - Skin: NO Route Of Entry - Ingestion: YES Health Haz Acute And Chronic: EXTENDED EXPOSURES TO HIGH CONCENTRATION OF O2 MAY BE HAZARDOUS. Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO Explanation Carcinogenicity: NONE Emergency/First Aid Proc: INHALATION: REMOVE VICTIM TO FRESH AIR. OBTAIN MEDICAL ATTENTION IN ALL CASES. =========================================================================== Precautions for Safe Handling and Use =========================================================================== Steps If Matl Released/Spill: PROVIDED VENTILATION. SHUT OFF OXYGEN SOURCE. REMOVE SOURCES OF HEAT, IGNITION & COMBUSTIBLES. Waste Disposal Method: DISPOSE OF IN ACCORDANCE W/FEDERAL, STATE & LOCAL REGULATIONS. Precautions-Handling/Storing: STORE AWAY FROM COMBUSTIBLES. DON'T EXPOSE ANY PART OF THE CYLINDER TO TEMPERATURES >125F. Other Precautions: DON'T DEFACE CYLINDERS & LABELS. MOVE CYLINDERS W/ PROPER CAUTION. =========================================================================== Control Measures =========================================================================== Protective Gloves: REQUIRED Eye Protection: REQUIRED Other Protective Equipment: LABORATORY PROTECTIVE CLOTHING. =========================================================================== Transportation Data =========================================================================== =========================================================================== Disposal Data =========================================================================== =========================================================================== Label Data =========================================================================== Label Required: YES Technical Review Date: 20OCT93 Label Date: 20OCT93 Label Status: F Common Name: 477568 OXYGEN Chronic Hazard: NO Signal Word: DANGER! Acute Health Hazard-Slight: X Contact Hazard-None: X Fire Hazard-Severe: X Reactivity Hazard-Slight: X Special Hazard Precautions: EXTENDED EXPOSURES TO HIGH CONCENTRATION OF O2 MAY BE HAZARDOUS. INHALATION: IRRITATION OF THE NOSE & THROAT. SKIN: MILD IRRITATION, DERMATITIS. EYES: IRRITATION, CONJUNCTIVITIS, INCREASED CORNEAL PERMEABILITY. INGE Label Name: CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS CORP. Label Street: 63 NORTH STREET Label City: MEDFIELD Label State: MA Label Zip Code: 02052-2308 Label Country: US Label Emergency Number: 508-359-7711 Year Procured: UNK ======================================================================= URL for this msds http://hazard.com. If you wish to change, add to, or delete information in this archive please sent updates to dan@hazard.com. Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive Lady Lake, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 09:21:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA29981; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:21:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:21:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261721.LAA26785@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car/danger with O Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:20:19 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"siGzs.0.MK7.fWjrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If I can remember anything, there is a small amount of O2 at and in normal atmosphere. All O1 converts to O2 under pressure to liquid form. As O2 emerges from the bottle, it oxidizes easily with many things at room temp.....oil, clothes, etc. At a higher temp, many metals will burn (oxidize) Handle liquid Oxy with great care. I once did some consulting at a car battery plant. In the plate charging area were great numbers of large acid tanks. A lot of O and H was accumulating, and as some contacted sparking connections, there would be a loud bang that would make you jump, even tho it might be several tanks away. If you happenned to be looking right at it, you would see a quick bright flash. Joe Portman =========== ---------- > From: Michael T Huffman > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Hydrogen car > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 11:08 AM > > Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > >AFAIK *straight* O2 doesn't "combust" at all. > > Hi Robin, > > I recall this statement being made before that O2 doesn't combust, > and I was curious as to just what the explosion hazards are when working > with electrolytic systems. I know that a lot of the people on this list are > amateur experimenters of various ages and experience, and I also know that > there more people than normal that are motivated to experiment with these > designs because of the expected year 2000 interruptions of the gas and > electrical supplies. I, myself, am planning to do some building this year > of some electrolytic devices, and needed some accurate info on the explosion > hazards of O2. All of the O2 welding bottles that I have seen have warnings > on them, all of the hospital oxygen tents have warnings on them, and then > there was that NASA training capsule that blew up in the late sixties that > was due to a spark in an enclosed space containing pure O2. I've always > just took it for granted that O2 was explosive. I'm also concerned that > with all of the people looking for alternative energy sources in the > upcoming months, a very real scenario might be that fire departments will > have to respond to more fires resulting from the construction of these > homebrew energy devices just because the builders got some bad information > on the internet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging experimentation, > but if we are going to build things, let's do it right, and get our > information right. Let us not underplay the dangers involved with these > gases. I looked up the MSDS for O2. -Knuke > > CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS -- 477568 OXYGEN > MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET > FSC: 6830 > NIIN: 00F030640 > Manufacturer's CAGE: 51404 > Part No. Indicator: A > Part Number/Trade Name: 477568 OXYGEN > =========================================================================== > General Information > =========================================================================== > Company's Name: CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS CORP. > Company's Street: 63 NORTH STREET > Company's City: MEDFIELD > Company's State: MA > Company's Country: US > Company's Zip Code: 02052-2308 > Company's Emerg Ph #: 508-359-7711 > Company's Info Ph #: 800-888-8372 > Record No. For Safety Entry: 001 > Tot Safety Entries This Stk#: 001 > Status: SE > Date MSDS Prepared: 09MAY91 > Safety Data Review Date: 20OCT93 > Preparer's Company: CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS CORP. > Preparer's St Or P. O. Box: 63 NORTH STREET > Preparer's City: MEDFIELD > Preparer's State: MA > Preparer's Zip Code: 02052-2308 > MSDS Serial Number: BSLLW > =========================================================================== > Ingredients/Identity Information > =========================================================================== > Proprietary: NO > Ingredient: OXYGEN (GAS) > Ingredient Sequence Number: 01 > Percent: 100 > NIOSH (RTECS) Number: RS2060000 > CAS Number: 7782-44-7 > =========================================================================== > Physical/Chemical Characteristics > =========================================================================== > Appearance And Odor: COLORLESS/ODORLESS GAS > Vapor Density (Air=1): 1.105 > Percent Volatiles By Volume: 100 > =========================================================================== > Fire and Explosion Hazard Data > =========================================================================== > Extinguishing Media: APPROPRIATE FOR SURROUNDING FIRE > Special Fire Fighting Proc: EVACUATE ALL PERSONEL TO A SAFE DISTANCE. > IMMEDIATELY SHUT OFF O2 GAS IF POSSIBLE, SUPPLY WATER FROM MAXIMUM DISTANCE > UNTIL COOL. REMOVE CYLINDERS IF POSSIBLE. > Unusual Fire And Expl Hazrds: HIGH OXIDIZING ATMOSPHERE INCREASE > LIKELIHOOD OF FIRES. OXYGEN VIGOROUSLY SUPPORTS COMBUSTION. > =========================================================================== > Reactivity Data > =========================================================================== > Stability: YES > Cond To Avoid (Stability): TEMPERATURES >125F > Materials To Avoid: REACTS EXPLOSIVELY W/PHOSPHINE, HYDRAZINE, ETHERS, > ALCOHOLS, HYDROGEN SULFIDE, HYDRO CARBONS > Hazardous Poly Occur: NO > =========================================================================== > Health Hazard Data > =========================================================================== > Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES > Route Of Entry - Skin: NO > Route Of Entry - Ingestion: YES > Health Haz Acute And Chronic: EXTENDED EXPOSURES TO HIGH CONCENTRATION OF > O2 MAY BE HAZARDOUS. > Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO > Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO > Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO > Explanation Carcinogenicity: NONE > Emergency/First Aid Proc: INHALATION: REMOVE VICTIM TO FRESH AIR. OBTAIN > MEDICAL ATTENTION IN ALL CASES. > =========================================================================== > Precautions for Safe Handling and Use > =========================================================================== > Steps If Matl Released/Spill: PROVIDED VENTILATION. SHUT OFF OXYGEN > SOURCE. REMOVE SOURCES OF HEAT, IGNITION & COMBUSTIBLES. > Waste Disposal Method: DISPOSE OF IN ACCORDANCE W/FEDERAL, STATE & LOCAL > REGULATIONS. > Precautions-Handling/Storing: STORE AWAY FROM COMBUSTIBLES. DON'T EXPOSE > ANY PART OF THE CYLINDER TO TEMPERATURES >125F. > Other Precautions: DON'T DEFACE CYLINDERS & LABELS. MOVE CYLINDERS W/ > PROPER CAUTION. > =========================================================================== > Control Measures > =========================================================================== > Protective Gloves: REQUIRED > Eye Protection: REQUIRED > Other Protective Equipment: LABORATORY PROTECTIVE CLOTHING. > =========================================================================== > Transportation Data > =========================================================================== > =========================================================================== > Disposal Data > =========================================================================== > =========================================================================== > Label Data > =========================================================================== > Label Required: YES > Technical Review Date: 20OCT93 > Label Date: 20OCT93 > Label Status: F > Common Name: 477568 OXYGEN > Chronic Hazard: NO > Signal Word: DANGER! > Acute Health Hazard-Slight: X > Contact Hazard-None: X > Fire Hazard-Severe: X > Reactivity Hazard-Slight: X > Special Hazard Precautions: EXTENDED EXPOSURES TO HIGH CONCENTRATION OF O2 > MAY BE HAZARDOUS. INHALATION: IRRITATION OF THE NOSE & THROAT. SKIN: MILD > IRRITATION, DERMATITIS. EYES: IRRITATION, CONJUNCTIVITIS, INCREASED CORNEAL > PERMEABILITY. INGE > Label Name: CIBA CORNING DIAGNOSTICS CORP. > Label Street: 63 NORTH STREET > Label City: MEDFIELD > Label State: MA > Label Zip Code: 02052-2308 > Label Country: US > Label Emergency Number: 508-359-7711 > Year Procured: UNK > ======================================================================= > URL for this msds http://hazard.com. If you wish to change, add to, or > delete information in this archive please sent updates to dan@hazard.com. > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > Lady Lake, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 09:51:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10884; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:51:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:51:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902261745.SAA09021@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:42:55 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OqDrY2.0.zf2.Xyjrs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I agree both... *Straight* O2 doesn't "combust" at all... But if there is any material to react with then it REACTS..!!!.. I have once injecte O2 in my moped engine and without accelareting (hope this is the correct word..:-) my engine went up to 5000 rpm... Interesting to use O2 as an 'fuel' for engines... I got some O2 and perhaps I will do this experiment this evening... I hope it will not be my last supper...:-))).. ---------- > Van: Michael T Huffman > Aan: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Onderwerp: Re: Hydrogen car > Datum: vrijdag 26 februari 1999 18:08 > > Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > >AFAIK *straight* O2 doesn't "combust" at all. > > Hi Robin, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 09:51:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07520; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:51:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:51:22 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:39:49 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:50:43 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:20:20 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Hydrogen car - This sucks! In-reply-to: <199902261639.RAA01407@poindexter.wirehub.nl> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:39:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1948ZXUQI3853 X400-MTS-identifier: [;94932162209991/3557013@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"qDor51.0.9r1.Oyjrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Aris, The rings would need to be extensively modified as well in an implosion engine, because you would have a near vacuum pulling the crankcase oil into the cylinder. Now that really sucks! Hmm, let's see... An engine that sucks, who could we name it after :^) >> Just as it is in comedy, timing is everything in an IC engine. >> If this was a pure Hydrogen Oxygen engine (not using outside air) we >> would have an implosion instead of an explosion, because a large volume >> of gas would convert to a small volume of water. You would need to >> change the timing closer to near bottom dead center, instead of near top >> dead center. >And also a totally different engine construction... More like two stroke >with different valves....(cause of implosion..)..... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 11:46:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA16183; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:45:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:45:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199902261945.UAA22144@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen car - This sucks! Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:43:17 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j-srO1.0.hy3.sdlrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, Another problem: sucktion + H20(l) ----> H20(g) Low pressure makes water boil lot's earlier, so the engine must be cooled a lot....... So it really sucks^2!! (excuse the unscientific language..:-).. BTW are we talking about an existing engine or are we just prototyping?? mzzl > The rings would need to be extensively modified as well in an implosion > engine, because you would have a near vacuum pulling the crankcase oil into > the cylinder. Now that really sucks! > > Hmm, let's see... An engine that sucks, who could we name it after :^) > > >> Just as it is in comedy, timing is everything in an IC engine. > >> If this was a pure Hydrogen Oxygen engine (not using outside air) we > >> would have an implosion instead of an explosion, because a large volume > >> of gas would convert to a small volume of water. You would need to > >> change the timing closer to near bottom dead center, instead of near top > >> dead center. > > >And also a totally different engine construction... More like two stroke > >with different valves....(cause of implosion..)..... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 11:56:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA22570; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:56:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:56:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01be61c1$5c7b00e0$5e3261cb@default> From: "Matthew Redmond" To: Subject: Resonating Air Cavity Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:47:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JUJIi1.0.7W5.Jnlrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Could ANYONE who has information about "Resonating Air Cavities" please contact me. This could be link to a web site, manufacturer of something similar, a book or personal knowledge. Rather important. Cheers! Matthew. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 13:42:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA23948; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:42:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:42:04 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <6fad61ef.36d71477@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:39:03 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Possible breakthru? Site updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"sUsWD2.0.zr5.gKnrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Possible breakthru? If you could design a motor that had an iron rotor and it's poles were attracted to permanent magnets and when the rotor poles lined up with the permanent magnets, the forces on the rotor became neutral, then the rotor could move past the permanent magnets with no resistance to turning. This would be the ideal overunity permanent magnet motor. I have done test on a design I have put on my web site. The results of the testing of the basic operating principle are positive. The building of a working protoype is now being done. I will not claim overunity till the device is self sustaining. No batteries, just permanent magnets, the iron rotor, and copper coils will be the major parts. I am typing the detailed operation at this time for the site, but you can take an early look if you like at the address below. The site is new so if you have any problems viewing it please let me know. Thanks, Butch LaFonte http://members.aol.com/hlafonte/page/index2.htm or HLafonte's Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 14:07:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA32244; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:07:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:07:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199902262156.IAA23121@turbo.turboweb.net.au> From: "Scott Waring" To: Subject: Bourke engine (hydrogen cycle) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:06:05 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zsbjO.0.ht7.7inrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All this talk about implosion engines and hydrogen fuel remind me of my favourite cofee table book The Bourke engine documentry ! Is anyone familiar with Russell Bourke and his engine ? only 2 moving parts etc , etc , etc ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 14:18:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA06240; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:18:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:16:37 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d71ca0.56536794@mail-hub> References: <199902261407.AAA03852@lebunka.ion.com.au> In-Reply-To: <199902261407.AAA03852@lebunka.ion.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fgh2j3.0.NX1.Msnrs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:26:48 , Pop wrote: [snip] >I will try to upload this diagram of my own...untested ofcourse :) > >http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/nova/229/hydrogen/hydro01.gif > [snip] At first glance, I would say that you will get a little oxygen mixed in with your hydrogen due to formation of oxygen bubbles on the bottom of the canister, that float up into the hydrogen tube. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 14:25:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA07927; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:24:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:24:35 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:22:48 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d81dff.56887596@mail-hub> References: <199902261458.PAA10872@poindexter.wirehub.nl> In-Reply-To: <199902261458.PAA10872@poindexter.wirehub.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pxYm21.0.jx1.Vynrs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:56:32 +0100, Thunderbird wrote: > > >> that an engine might run on pure hydrogen (no other gasses present), if >the >> spark is long and fat i.e. as large as possible. > >I do have a device which makes sparks longer and fatter... Rolls Royce uses >this very simple and small thing in their mobiles... > >If an engine run's only on hydrogen, is it more efficient..??.. > >Aris To my knowledge, it has never occurred to anyone to try this. It defies all the rules of chemistry. But if it works, it should be between 10 and a thousand times more efficient. It would need to run on very low pressure hydrogen, just a trickle. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 14:33:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA09550; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:33:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:33:26 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:32:49 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d91f3a.57202947@mail-hub> References: <19990226170820625.AAA168@mail3.lcia.com@lizard> In-Reply-To: <19990226170820625.AAA168@mail3.lcia.com@lizard> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oNgIS3.0.7L2.s4ors"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:08:20 -0500, Michael T Huffman wrote: [snip] > I recall this statement being made before that O2 doesn't combust, >and I was curious as to just what the explosion hazards are when working >with electrolytic systems. I know that a lot of the people on this list are [snip] >=========================================================================== > Fire and Explosion Hazard Data >=========================================================================== >Extinguishing Media: APPROPRIATE FOR SURROUNDING FIRE >Special Fire Fighting Proc: EVACUATE ALL PERSONEL TO A SAFE DISTANCE. >IMMEDIATELY SHUT OFF O2 GAS IF POSSIBLE, SUPPLY WATER FROM MAXIMUM DISTANCE >UNTIL COOL. REMOVE CYLINDERS IF POSSIBLE. >Unusual Fire And Expl Hazrds: HIGH OXIDIZING ATMOSPHERE INCREASE >LIKELIHOOD OF FIRES. OXYGEN VIGOROUSLY SUPPORTS COMBUSTION. This last line actually says it all: "supports combustion". This doesn't mean that the oxygen burns, but rather that it supports the combustion of other substances i.e. anything flammable. A normal fire is the result of a flammable substance (e.g. vegetable matter, alcohol, gasoline, many plastics) combining chemically with the oxygen in the air. Now the air is only about 20% oxygen, so fires in air don't burn nearly as well as they would in pure oxygen. This is why bottled oxygen, oxygen tents etc. are dangerous. They can potentially result in much fiercer and hotter fires (&/or explosions) than one would normally get. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 15:00:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA18322; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:59:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:59:53 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:47:54 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:59:17 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:31:36 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Free Piston Engine To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:39:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1946ZXUQP8KD5 X400-MTS-identifier: [;45747162209991/3558047@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"UVaEs1.0.wT4.cTors"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All, How about a 2 piston engine with only one (1) moving part! http://www.galileoresearch.com/free-pis.htm I had thought about this engine two decades ago, only to find out someone had already been working on it. Problem is people are still just "working" on it. I would think something this simple would have gotten to market along time ago! Bill webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 15:39:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA19124; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:39:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: dtmiller@nevia.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Resonating Air Cavity Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:34:21 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@nevia.net Message-ID: <36d72ce8.47440965@mail.nevia.net> References: <000f01be61c1$5c7b00e0$5e3261cb@default> In-Reply-To: <000f01be61c1$5c7b00e0$5e3261cb@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id PAA19101 Resent-Message-ID: <"C9_C-1.0.hg4.j2prs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Matt, On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:47:56 +1300, "Matthew Redmond" wrote: >Could ANYONE who has information about "Resonating Air Cavities" please >contact me. This could be link to a web site, manufacturer of something >similar, a book or personal knowledge. Rather important. You might look up loudspeaker experimenters. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 16:09:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23907; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:08:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:08:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902270007.SAA26041@mw1.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Free Piston Engine Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:06:25 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HK3Ul3.0.Mr5.DUprs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Used to be an engine called the loudmouth...it was, too. Would push a go cart over 100 in the quarter mile. It did not turn a crank, a double ended piston oscillated back and forth and fired just before the piston hit the head. Seems it was an internal combuster/reactor engine. It developed great exhaust thrust. My memory has faded...no more details. Joe Portman ========== ---------- > From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > To: freenrg-l > Subject: Free Piston Engine > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:31 PM > > All, > > How about a 2 piston engine with only one (1) moving part! > > http://www.galileoresearch.com/free-pis.htm > > I had thought about this engine two decades ago, only to find out someone > had already been working on it. Problem is people are still just "working" > on it. > > I would think something this simple would have gotten to market along time > ago! > > Bill > webriggs@concentric.net > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 17:51:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13873; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:51:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:51:34 -0800 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: <19990227015323421.AAA202@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"3Mcdt3.0.gO3.b-qrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >>LIKELIHOOD OF FIRES. OXYGEN VIGOROUSLY SUPPORTS COMBUSTION. > >This last line actually says it all: "supports combustion". This doesn't >mean that the oxygen burns, but rather that it supports the combustion >of other substances i.e. anything flammable. >A normal fire is the result of a flammable substance (e.g. vegetable >matter, alcohol, gasoline, many plastics) combining chemically with the >oxygen in the air. Now the air is only about 20% oxygen, so fires in air >don't burn nearly as well as they would in pure oxygen. This is why >bottled oxygen, oxygen tents etc. are dangerous. They can potentially >result in much fiercer and hotter fires (&/or explosions) than one would >normally get. Thanks for the comeback Robin. So you're saying that if I have, for example, a sealed glass tube with a spark plug in one end, and it is filled with pure O2, I can spark it, and it won't burn? -Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive Lady Lake, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 18:33:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA29038; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:33:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:33:15 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:41:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! Message-ID: <19990226.182139.3318.0.tv@juno.com> References: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> <3.0.6.16.19990224213940.22872c7a@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-7 From: Tim Vaughan Resent-Message-ID: <"nywPe1.0.T57.fbrrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Do you know how it is used in a Kw-H meter? Is is a sheet that somehow >compensates the magnetic flux by a shunt path? That is my understanding. A kilowatt hour meter is a special kind of induction motor. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 18:33:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA29079; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:33:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:33:18 -0800 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tv@juno.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:06:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! Message-ID: <19990226.182139.3318.2.tv@juno.com> References: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> <19990224.185010.12030.0.tv@juno.com> <36D5AE29.4654005F@harti.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-9,11-15 From: Tim Vaughan Resent-Message-ID: <"q0JWr2.0.B67.ibrrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Maybe you have to use soft iron material, so it has got not much >Remanenz or the hysteresis losses are much more less... I think there is still much to explore here. I only tried a quite crude experiment. >Or you have to adjust the working point in your BH diagram of the iron >core this way, that it is used only in a small area, >where the hysteris losses are not too much. I agree. Perhaps Dr. Harold Aspden might be able to make some suggestions. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 19:19:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA10752; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:19:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:19:46 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen car Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 03:19:11 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36de635b.74648199@mail-hub> References: <19990227015323421.AAA202@mail.lcia.com@lizard> In-Reply-To: <19990227015323421.AAA202@mail.lcia.com@lizard> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1_3JT3.0.ud2.HHsrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:53:23 -0500, Michael T Huffman wrote: [snip] >Thanks for the comeback Robin. So you're saying that if I have, for >example, a sealed glass tube with a spark plug in one end, and it is filled >with pure O2, I can spark it, and it won't burn? -Knuke [snip] The oxygen itself won't. However you may need to pay special attention to the metal that comprises the spark gap. You could end up burning some of the metal, especially at the temperatures associated with electrical sparks. If you get anything exceptional with this approach, please do report it ;). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 19:23:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA12782; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:23:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:23:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199902270323.EAA01151@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Free Piston Engine Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:21:25 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_wvhh2.0.d73.qKsrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I had thought about this engine two decades ago Hummm, two decades ago I was only thinking LEGO and trying to cycle on two wheels.... :-))) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Feb 26 19:41:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA20433; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:41:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:41:01 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <51b1dadd.36d768bd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:38:37 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Better web address, full screen, (Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"KpDqr3.0.6_4.Cbsrs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here is a better web address for my new site. The AOL background has been taken off for larger viewing area. Thanks, Butch LaFonte HLafonte's Page or http://members.aol.com/hlafonte/page2/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 10:51:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA25713; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:51:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:51:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199902271850.TAA01805@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "Thunderbird" To: Subject: Re: Oxygen car Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:24:45 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJIg2.0.gH6.Kw3ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Thanks for the comeback Robin. So you're saying that if I have, for > example, a sealed glass tube with a spark plug in one end, and it is filled > with pure O2, I can spark it, and it won't burn? -Knuke Nop... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 10:55:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA27172; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:54:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:54:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199902271854.NAA03939@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: STEFAN !!! Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:48:20 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"93Pa02.0.Te6.vz3ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I have worked over the last 15 years more or less > with ideas of the Newman machines and also build 3 small > prototypes. You built 3 small prototypes ? What where your results with the small prototypes ? thanks, Patrick Tremblay From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 10:56:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA28992; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:56:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:56:53 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:48:15 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "Robin Dye: The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" Subject: HEY !!!!! Re: Hydrogen (Aris) In-Reply-To: <001901be6002$7dc339e0$6f2bd3cf@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"d-pHu2.0.p47.q_3ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Robin.. Will you PLEASE turn off the HTML generator! Then resend message... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 11:05:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA32632; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:04:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:04:58 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Keasy Subject: IRON WIRE ....Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! In-Reply-To: <86521f24.36d46c49@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8LLNd.0.kz7.Q74ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Fre, and Ke., For Iron Wire ... Go to craft or flower store and get 'plant wire'... this is a soft iron wire with [usually] green enamel coating in AWG gauges of 26 to 18 .. It is used to tie and support plants. On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 Keasy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > > << >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> > This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of a source > for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? > Ken > Keasy@aol.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 11:35:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10952; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:35:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:35:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:27:11 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Turn OFF the HTML Re: SEATTLE CONFERENCE SIZZLES!!!! In-Reply-To: <001301be60c9$01275340$519d62cf@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"53Jwc3.0.1h2.Ga4ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Trun OFF the html generator.... all we see here is garbage! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 11:57:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA17232; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:57:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:57:04 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:48:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Shaughn Shea Subject: Questions Copper oxide... Hydrogen Car In-Reply-To: <19990225.201401.4527.0.shea6@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ZNKTR2.0.sC4.Fu4ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, Some questions about the copeer oxide information... Q: What oxide of copper is used? Q: Is it finely divided? Q: Is there an article about this? Q: Is there a person [s] and-or POC we can communicate with? JHS On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Shaughn Shea wrote: > While I am new to the list, I reserve my right to issue a resounding > "what?!?". I came on after the aforementioned Shaken not Stirred article, > and quite frankly that sounds absolutly ridiculous from the standpoint of > chemistry. Would someone my summing up what it was, or am I correct in > assuming it is of as much foolishness as Briggs' comparison made it > sound. Copper dividing H2O by itself to produce hydrogen is foolish, > rusting copper could produce (although exceedingly neglible) amounts of > hydrogen in that the h2o breaks up to oxidate (rust) the copper, but > submersed copper won't rust, at least not within a lifetime, which, by > most standard rules out any reasonable use. > > Shaughn Shea > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:27:51 -0500 (EDT) Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > writes: > >Stefan, > > > >After reading his entertaining article it boiled down to his basic > >premise > >of: > > > >"A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 > >percent > >efficiency" > > > >If this was true every power plant in the world would be using it > >because > >it would be an OU system of free energy. > > > >A couple of months ago when this item first hit the list, I thought > >someone > >had said this guy was in jail? > > > >Now this new guy who is popping up on news stories all over the place > >sounds like some kind of catalyst system. Perhaps along the lines of > >the > >"Shaken not Stirred" thread that was on this list a couple of months > >ago. > >This was the method of shaking copper powder in water to separate the > >hydrogen & oxygen. Has anybody looked into this? Is the copper > >consumed? > >Copper oxide? Recyclable? Cost of copper consumed -vs- value of fuel > > > >generated? > > > >Bill > >webriggs@concentric.net > > > > > >>Has anybody seen this card of this Rock-musician ? > > > >>Or is this only a joke ? > > > >>When it is true, what he writes, why did this not get > >>more published ?? > > > >>Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 14:47:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA26575; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:47:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:47:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199902272247.QAA02476@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Questions Copper oxide... Hydrogen Car Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:45:39 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PR4QB2.0.8V6.jN7ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I once used it to convert a mixture of CO and CO2 into 100% CO2. Mine was green, and I force fed the mixture thru it slowly. This is standard at some fuel and lubricant research facilities. Joe Portman ========== ---------- > From: John Schnurer > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Shaughn Shea > Subject: Questions Copper oxide... Hydrogen Car > Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 1:48 PM > > > > Dear Folks, > > Some questions about the copeer oxide information... > > Q: What oxide of copper is used? > Q: Is it finely divided? > Q: Is there an article about this? > Q: Is there a person [s] and-or POC we can communicate with? > > JHS > > On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Shaughn Shea wrote: > > > While I am new to the list, I reserve my right to issue a resounding > > "what?!?". I came on after the aforementioned Shaken not Stirred article, > > and quite frankly that sounds absolutly ridiculous from the standpoint of > > chemistry. Would someone my summing up what it was, or am I correct in > > assuming it is of as much foolishness as Briggs' comparison made it > > sound. Copper dividing H2O by itself to produce hydrogen is foolish, > > rusting copper could produce (although exceedingly neglible) amounts of > > hydrogen in that the h2o breaks up to oxidate (rust) the copper, but > > submersed copper won't rust, at least not within a lifetime, which, by > > most standard rules out any reasonable use. > > > > Shaughn Shea > > > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:27:51 -0500 (EDT) Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > > writes: > > >Stefan, > > > > > >After reading his entertaining article it boiled down to his basic > > >premise > > >of: > > > > > >"A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 > > >percent > > >efficiency" > > > > > >If this was true every power plant in the world would be using it > > >because > > >it would be an OU system of free energy. > > > > > >A couple of months ago when this item first hit the list, I thought > > >someone > > >had said this guy was in jail? > > > > > >Now this new guy who is popping up on news stories all over the place > > >sounds like some kind of catalyst system. Perhaps along the lines of > > >the > > >"Shaken not Stirred" thread that was on this list a couple of months > > >ago. > > >This was the method of shaking copper powder in water to separate the > > >hydrogen & oxygen. Has anybody looked into this? Is the copper > > >consumed? > > >Copper oxide? Recyclable? Cost of copper consumed -vs- value of fuel > > > > > >generated? > > > > > >Bill > > >webriggs@concentric.net > > > > > > > > >>Has anybody seen this card of this Rock-musician ? > > > > > >>Or is this only a joke ? > > > > > >>When it is true, what he writes, why did this not get > > >>more published ?? > > > > > >>Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 14:53:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA29139; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:53:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:53:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199902272253.QAA03533@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Questions Copper oxide... Hydrogen Car Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:51:54 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cu51C1.0.C77.VT7ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Forgot the temp, but it was hot. The oxide is a good long lasting catalyst, at least in my use. Joe Portman ================================ ---------- > From: Joe Portman Sr. > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Questions Copper oxide... Hydrogen Car > Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 4:45 PM > > I once used it to convert a mixture of CO and CO2 into 100% CO2. Mine was > green, and I force fed the mixture thru it slowly. > This is standard at some fuel and lubricant research facilities. > Joe Portman > ========== > > ---------- > > From: John Schnurer > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Cc: Shaughn Shea > > Subject: Questions Copper oxide... Hydrogen Car > > Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 1:48 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Folks, > > > > Some questions about the copeer oxide information... > > > > Q: What oxide of copper is used? > > Q: Is it finely divided? > > Q: Is there an article about this? > > Q: Is there a person [s] and-or POC we can communicate with? > > > > JHS > > > > On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Shaughn Shea wrote: > > > > > While I am new to the list, I reserve my right to issue a resounding > > > "what?!?". I came on after the aforementioned Shaken not Stirred > article, > > > and quite frankly that sounds absolutly ridiculous from the standpoint > of > > > chemistry. Would someone my summing up what it was, or am I correct in > > > assuming it is of as much foolishness as Briggs' comparison made it > > > sound. Copper dividing H2O by itself to produce hydrogen is foolish, > > > rusting copper could produce (although exceedingly neglible) amounts of > > > hydrogen in that the h2o breaks up to oxidate (rust) the copper, but > > > submersed copper won't rust, at least not within a lifetime, which, by > > > most standard rules out any reasonable use. > > > > > > Shaughn Shea > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:27:51 -0500 (EDT) Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > > > writes: > > > >Stefan, > > > > > > > >After reading his entertaining article it boiled down to his basic > > > >premise > > > >of: > > > > > > > >"A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 > > > >percent > > > >efficiency" > > > > > > > >If this was true every power plant in the world would be using it > > > >because > > > >it would be an OU system of free energy. > > > > > > > >A couple of months ago when this item first hit the list, I thought > > > >someone > > > >had said this guy was in jail? > > > > > > > >Now this new guy who is popping up on news stories all over the place > > > >sounds like some kind of catalyst system. Perhaps along the lines of > > > >the > > > >"Shaken not Stirred" thread that was on this list a couple of months > > > >ago. > > > >This was the method of shaking copper powder in water to separate the > > > >hydrogen & oxygen. Has anybody looked into this? Is the copper > > > >consumed? > > > >Copper oxide? Recyclable? Cost of copper consumed -vs- value of fuel > > > > > > > > >generated? > > > > > > > >Bill > > > >webriggs@concentric.net > > > > > > > > > > > >>Has anybody seen this card of this Rock-musician ? > > > > > > > >>Or is this only a joke ? > > > > > > > >>When it is true, what he writes, why did this not get > > > >>more published ?? > > > > > > > >>Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at > http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 17:42:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA08416; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:42:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:42:06 -0800 Message-ID: <002901be62bc$1f847260$949d62cf@default> From: "Robin Dye: The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: Subject: Seattle Conference SIZZLES!! Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:46:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"0AoGM1.0.O32.kx9ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry about the HTML...I just forwarded it. Hoping I did this correctly. rvd I am forwarding this update from Steve Elswick of Exotic Research for those who are interested. Robin Dye Seattle Exotic Research Conference!!! 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PhD - Prospects for Our Magnetic Future Session 4 (Evening) --- Health and Energy 7:00PM: Brian David Andersen - Harmonic Elements and the Quantum Disk 9:00PM: Wine & Cheese SATURDAY · March 27 Session 5 (Morning) • Antigravity Concepts & Reality 8:00AM: Tom Valone - Electrogravitics... 21st Century Propulsion 9:00AM: Dan LaRochelle - David Hamel Technology... the poor man's Searl device 10:00AM: Rick Todish - Working Model of an Ionic Propulsion Antigravity Craft Session 6 (Afternoon) • Advanced Energy Concepts 1:00PM: Bill Beaty, BSEE - How Electricity REALLY Works! 2:00PM: Bruce Perreault - The "Nu" Generation of Radiant Energy Devices 3:00PM: Jeffery Hayes - Tesla Turbines... The Nest Generation! 4:00PM: George Wiseman - Brown's Gas... Key to a Hydrogen Economy! Session 7 (Evening) --- Keys to the 21st Century 7:00PM: Don Isaac, Jr. - The Stirling Engine... Revival of a "Forgotten" Technology 9pm-???: Wine & Cheese SUNDAY · March 28 Session 8 (Morning) • Exotic Technology Concepts 8:00AM: GEET Research Parade of Inventions - 3-hour live preview of various inventors WORKSHOP THURSDAY · March 25 9:00AM: Brian David Andersen - Rhythms of Nature Workshop 1:00PM: Bruce Perreault - Radiant Energy Workshop SUNDAY · March 28 1:00PM: Paul Pantone - Incredible World of GEET Technology Workshop From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 18:07:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA14637; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:07:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:07:15 -0800 Message-ID: <003901be62bf$a89894c0$949d62cf@default> From: "Robin Dye: The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Aris) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:11:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"nKcjH3.0.Ya3.IJAss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Resending in plain text. Hi Bruce... Not sure if you are on the free energy list but thought this may have something to do with your ideas and or expertise. Maybe you could answer this guys questions if you wish. If so...you can forward your response to me and I'll post it to the list. Robin Dye VisionQuest Production -----Original Message----- From: Thunderbird To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Hydrogen >Let me first introduce myself... > >I'm Aris and live in the Netherlands and I've been on the list and don't >remember if >I had introduced myself perhaps twice now... > >I'm interested in 'free energy' and don't think in violating the law of >loss of energy... >I do think it is posible to use other, not really realized, forms of >energy... This to >avoid any discussions that free energy device are not possible... It cost a >lot of >mental energy to think about a system anyway...:-))).. > >What I have in mind is a construction to increase the efficiency of making >hydrogen... > >The main principle is to create electricity down deep (eg in the ocean) >under water, >then making hydrogen (g) en oxygen (g), which will of course rise... If you >make a >sort of balloon connected to a generator this will create extra current you >can use >again to create O2 and H2... I miss some information to make exact >calculations, >the ones I made before were very promising, but wrong... > >I hope there are people on the list who can help me calculate or support >anyway with >this brainwave...(perhaps here is also some synchronity too...:-))) > >mzzl > >Aris __________________________________________________________ Hi Aris, Robin Dye with The Credit Zone/VisionQuest Productions gave me your name and message. She suggested that I contact you. Probably because I have an invention, which is now in the process of being patented. The invention deals with getting large quantities of power from the ocean. Part of the process utilizes Hydrogen and Oxygen produced deep in the ocean. I'm not sure I understand the question you are asking. It seems you have a method of producing Hydrogen and Oxygen, then using those gases to raise a balloon generating additional electricity. Is that correct? Let me give you one word of caution. Try to avoid putting anything in the ocean with moving parts. The reason is that the ocean is a corrosive environment. Any machine in the ocean with moving parts will soon stop moving, unless it is properly maintained. I'm sure you are right when you say, "I do think it is possible to use other, not really realized, forms of energy." The trick is to locate rarely used sources of energy and figure out a way to put them to use. It appears that you are on the right track. Perhaps if you could ask more specific questions, it would be possible to give you specific answers. Never give up your dreams. Bruce neonmagic@yahoo.com == Bruce J. Hancock NeonMagic@yahoo.com PO Box 36914 Phoenix, AZ 85067 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 20:00:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11656; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:00:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:00:23 -0800 Message-ID: <36D8BF35.2C781558@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:59:49 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: IRON WIRE ....Re: Coler converter, Nature article found ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hOmaZ3.0.sr2.KzBss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: get a long long length of iron wire, place a magnet on one end and at the other place something to detect it, the magnetic field will travel the length of the wire even though I have tried it with very very long pieces of wire, now what happens when a current is placed through that wire running parallel with the magnetic field? John Berry John Schnurer wrote: > Dear Fre, and Ke., > > For Iron Wire ... > > Go to craft or flower store and get 'plant wire'... this is a soft > iron wire with [usually] green enamel coating in AWG gauges of 26 to 18 .. > It is used to tie and support plants. > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 Keasy@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/24/99 12:15:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > > > > << >Get yourself small diameter insolated iron wire >> > > This has been the hard part for me in the past -- does anyone know of a source > > for insulated iron (or at least high mu) wire? > > Ken > > Keasy@aol.com > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Feb 27 20:16:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA16838; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:15:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:15:56 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990228042234.008ec18c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:22:34 -0500 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Another good use for an Inverse G Vehicle Resent-Message-ID: <"yJ1733.0._64.wBCss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A certain most honored professor recently stated that another useful purpose for an Inverse G Vehicle would be to bring raw materials from the asteroid belt to the Earth for industrial use. We could then avoid destroying our environment mining for ores and such. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG Circle Of Fire - Dreamland - VR Avatars! Great Fun! http://www.artbellchatclub.com ________________________________________ When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I only think of how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. -R. Buckminster Fuller- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 08:20:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA13543; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:20:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:20:15 -0800 Message-ID: <36D96CF5.827236A@erie.net> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:21:10 -0500 From: Norm Biss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fw: N. Biss designed latest Newman motor, questions... References: <006c01be6130$1d99dd60$3bdb97d0@d2w2x9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L9Bru3.0.VJ3.-oMss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a reply to Stefan Hartmann in regards to the questions he posed to me about the Newman prototype. Before answering these questions, I would like to take the time to explain why I have delayed my answer. I have upgraded my computer system, and in the process, the most efficient way to transfer my files to the new system was to email them to myself from my old PC, to my new PC. I also had a lot of downloading to do. I am now ready to function on-line again. As to the second prototype, it is under construction at this time, and will be finished when I can get back to it. I have my regular duties to attend to, and they take priority. As to the results, BELIEVE me when I say that they WILL be made public when all testing is done! As to why NEWMAN wanted the coils in the rotor: I have no idea. That was his idea, entirely, and you would have to ask him why he choose to do it that way. Yes, I have accessed both J. L. Naudin's web site and also your web site. By the introduction of Capacitors into the circuit, you have created an LC, resonant tank circuit. This is apparent in the results which show a decay rate of several seconds from time of input power removal to final cessation of rotor movement (Barring Friction Losses). This is not, however, over-unity. As to the Newman prototype, the unit that Joe Newman is demonstrating is NOT an OU device. The reason that HE thinks that it is, is in the flawed mathematics he is using to arrive at his final efficiency figures. At this point, let me interject a note: On the 26th of Feb., 1999, I received a personal email which chastised me for answering you with a "pitiful" reply. The author of this post wrote: (Quote) Mr. Biss, That was a pitiful reply to Stefan Hartmann. At least you could have been a little more informative about actual results. I don't know, but after a reply like that...it sure appears you have something up your sleeve (End Quote). If this person had read the entire message, he would have learned that what I posted was a reply to "POP", and that you did not try to get in touch with me until after THAT post. I deigned to answer him personally, so he can read my reply now. Respectfully. Norm Biss Erie, Pa. 2-28-99 normpems@erie.net Norm wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Hartmann > To: normpems@erie.net > Cc: newman-l@emachine.com ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: N. Biss designed latest Newman motor, questions... > > >Dear Mr. Biss, > > > >finally I got your email address. > >I already wanted to contact you by phone... > > > >I have worked over the last 15 years more or less > >with ideas of the Newman machines and also build 3 small > >prototypes. > > > >See: > > > >http://www.overunity.de/newman2 > >for the latest infos > >etc... > > > > > >As you have written up this report, how Joe Newman > >"stole" the motor built by your company, > >may I ask you a few questions ? > > > >1. Did you now build the 2nd prototype motor, > >that was in the contract between Newman and your boss ? > > > >Has this already been tested by you ? > >What are the results ? > > > >2. if not, are you planning to build one now ? > >If not, why not ? > > > >3. Why did Newman or you change the concept and > >did build the coils into the rotor and not into the stator > >as before in former motors ? (because of flux leckage considerations ?) > >I think putting the coils into the rotor is > >very difficult, cause you have to build a much more > >complex commutator ! I would rather again build > >it with a rotating permanent magnet and make sure > >the flux leackage is minimized at the stator coils. > > > >4. Have you studied J.L. Naudin´s and my web site for the latest > >infos on our Newman research ? > >What do you think about our results ? (which was also summarized > >in a recent article of Mike Carrel in Infinite Energy journal Issue 23, > 1999 > >page 31 and 32 .) > >It seems the key effect is rather in the spark gap than > >any other effect, which is simular to the Correa PAGD effect and > >the Chernetski self generating discharge effect. > > > >5. Naudin came to the conclusion, that indeed the mechanical output can be > >higher than the electrical input. > >Do you belive this also from the point of building the latest Newman > >motor ? ( I at least hope you have done a few test runs by now with the > >2nd model you had to build due to the Newman contract...) > > > >I would really like to hear your point of view. > >Thanks a lot in advance. > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > >P.S.: I am not interested in the legal battle between you and Mr. Newman, > >cause you both have totally different "working > >setup manners", I guess.. > > > >I am only interested in the truth about the efficiency of the machine > >and want to hear both sides of views. > >Newman now claims, that with a new (different than yours) winding > >of the coils he is getting > >around 250 to 300 % mechanical efficiency versus DC input. > > > > > > > >>At 22:03 19.02.99 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > >>The forward was intended to be sent to the list for > >>dissemination. I apologize for the error in addressing > >>the post wrongly. > >> > >>Respectfully, > >>Norm Biss > >>Erie, Pa. > >>2-19-99 > >> > >>normpems@erie.net > >> > >> > >>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:42:36 -0500 > >>From: Norm Biss > >>To: pop79@altavista.net > >>CC: normpems@erie.net > >>Subject: Re: Newmans Motor > > > >>Hello Pop, > >> > >>In answer to your question, I am going to direct you to a > >>URL which will tell you most of what you want to know. > >>My name is Norm Biss, and I COMPLETELY designed, drew-up the > >>Blueprints for, and the Company I am employed by, built the > >>prototype which Joe Newman is > >>using for his Demonstrations. I am sure that you will > >>have questions about this, but please go to the URL and > >>read it first. Thank You. The URL: > >> > >>http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm > >> > >>Regards, > >>Norm Biss > >>Erie, Pa. > >>2-19-99 > >> > >>normpems@erie.net > >> > >-- > >Hartmann Multimedia Service > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > >WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com > >email: harti@harti.com > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 08:48:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA21945; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:48:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:48:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199902281647.RAA20315@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "." To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Bruce/Robin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:33:43 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YmZvP.0.jM5.2DNss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I'm not sure I understand the question you are asking. It seems you > have a method of producing Hydrogen and Oxygen, then using those gases > to raise a balloon generating additional electricity. Is that > correct? Yep... > Let me give you one word of caution. Try to avoid putting anything in > the ocean with moving parts. The reason is that the ocean is a > corrosive environment. Any machine in the ocean with moving parts > will soon stop moving, unless it is properly maintained. I do understand the 'environmental' construction problems... But the idea is promising... To give an illustration: 1000 liter of gas 1000 meters underwater, can elevate 1000 liters of water 1000 meter in the air, which is an increase of (W=Fs) 10.000*1.000=10.000.000 Joules... Ofcourse this is theoretical and there are sure some losses... What my question was about, how many Joules are needed to create, 1.000 liters of H2 gas... This to make some calculation... > I'm sure you are right when you say, "I do think it is possible to use > other, not really realized, forms of energy." The trick is to locate > rarely used sources of energy and figure out a way to put them to use. > It appears that you are on the right track. Perhaps if you could ask > more specific questions, it would be possible to give you specific > answers. Sorry for not being very specific... What I specificly more want to now about the rendement of creating H2... How many joules...(V/A)..is needed to create a certain amount of energy??? Seems to me you are the specialist...:-)).. This is the same answer can make me believe more in the rocksters engine... Why?? Simply because H2O is a very strange matter, with very strange properties...:-)) Aris..(trying to wake up...:-) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 10:51:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA21787; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:50:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:50:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:50:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199902281850.TAA22210@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: 3 small prototypes... Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ZPkBJ.0.KK5.E0Pss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 13:48 27.02.99 -0600, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >> I have worked over the last 15 years more or less >> with ideas of the Newman machines and also build 3 small >> prototypes. > >You built 3 small prototypes ? What where your results with the small >prototypes ? > The first 2 prototypes were just too small to study efficiencies. The last one I still use now to study the latest ideas. Back then I had total system efficiencies ranging from 70 to about 120 %, but the errors in the measurements could have been also big, so I did not know, if 120 % were really meaning overunity. That is why I try now to remeasure some effects and try to test it soon with a special prony brake. Regards, STefan. >thanks, > >Patrick Tremblay > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 11:03:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA25985; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:03:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:03:42 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:06:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199902281906.UAA07310@ns.b.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Analogsys@aol.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Newman motor Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"n2ZSW3.0.qL6.DCPss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:38 27.02.99 EST, Analogsys@aol.com wrote: >Dear sir, > Have read with interest your experiences with the newman devices. I >myself had built 4 completely different versions of his machines years ago, >from about 15 LBS to over 120 LBS size and, although some readings at first >looked hopeful, I never measured more electrical output power than input. Most >all of my experiments except for the smallest, used a simple MOSFET or >Transistor drive circuit with variable square wave generator drive and diode >for shunting the coil kickback across whatever load I chose. (this had a >slight drawback in when the magnet switched polarity a slight mechanical drag >was introduced as some current flowed across the diode induced by the spinning >rotor.). Most all of the motors had no mechanical commutator and therefore >were only half cycle with the rotor coasting after reversal of the magnet >until the next half cycle. All of the so called electrical output power I >could observe turned out to be an indication of what the motor was doing and >consuming internally. When an effort was made to increase the shunting >resistance to a point where it matched the coil resistance and some >significant power could be delivered to the shunt, the motor's torque and >speed fell to a crawl. > I wish to also point out at this time that the drive transistor on >several occasions had a diode placed across it to allow any reverse current to >flow back into the battery pack. Such was NEVER found. (the kickback current >always wants to follow the same direction as the source current, the >difference being as the field collapses the coil now becomes in effect a >"source" and shows voltage polarity at the leads opposite of what the true >source was. HOWEVER I did notice a certain level of APPARENT recharging with >the rotor unloaded that most every kind of motor displays under this >condition, a 'self generation' which can approach the source voltage but does >not, significantly, rise above it. > I grew very disgusted with the whole thing years ago and tossed most of >it out (including notes). Now I'm thinking its the MECHANICAL output which may >be over unity and I'm tempted to make another go of it. Just located the >largest coil I'd constructed, which is about 100 LBS of #27 wire. It looks >IDENTICAL to the one that Mr Naudin uses in his motor but was constructed >about 10 years ago. Same exact shape, including the overhang! This ones a lot >dirtier though from storage all these years. If you did try it with mechanical commutation, you would have seen the reversing current (the kickback current). Try it again like JL.Naudin with his mechanical commutator. You will see negative current spikes, when the commutator opens. Try it with your 100 LBS of #27 wire coil. Observe ths difference in the spark, when you use different mechanical commutator setups. It must be a hissing sound spark, when the commutator switches. Then you will see a negative current on the scope. Problem is, if this really is so big negative or just scope artifact. If you use water on the commutator, you should just see a short POSITIVE current spike. It all depends on the spark gap at the commutator and the used materials for the commutator. The Newman effect is IMHO very much related to the work of Correa and Chernetski studying self generating plasma discharge effects. Both have verified Overunity outputs in their units and good documentation is available for these experiments. > I read somewhere that you were quoted as saying that your work with the >Newman motor had wasted "3 or 4 years of your life" or words to that effect. Well, that was almost only a joke, cause I have learned a lot by it. Try http://www.overunity.com/newman2 for the latest. >However the link to that page came up as unavailable on my server. Is this >what you now think or have you been misquoted? Any insight or advice on my >return to this investigation would be well received. > >Thank you for your time >Regards >Garry L. Burton Regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 11:04:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA26194; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:04:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:04:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199902281904.NAA23604@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: Fw: N. Biss designed latest Newman motor, questions... Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:02:37 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i8_6b.0.AP6.dCPss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I still say, the simple way to prove OU, is to take it 500 miles out in the ocean, put it in a rowboat or raft, and let it power itself back to shore. Joe Portman =============== ---------- > From: Norm Biss > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Fw: N. Biss designed latest Newman motor, questions... > Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:21 AM > > This is a reply to Stefan Hartmann in regards to the questions > he posed to me about the Newman prototype. Before > answering these questions, I would like to take the time to > explain why I have delayed my answer. > > I have upgraded my computer system, and in the process, the > most efficient way to transfer my files to the new system was to > email them to myself from my old PC, to my new PC. I also had > a lot of downloading to do. I am now ready to function on-line again. > > As to the second prototype, it is under construction at this time, > and will be finished when I can get back to it. I have my regular > duties to attend to, and they take priority. As to the results, > BELIEVE me when I say that they WILL be made public when > all testing is done! > > As to why NEWMAN wanted the coils in the rotor: I have no > idea. That was his idea, entirely, and you would have to ask him > why he choose to do it that way. > > Yes, I have accessed both J. L. Naudin's web site and also > your web site. By the introduction of Capacitors into the > circuit, you have created an LC, resonant tank circuit. This > is apparent in the results which show a decay rate of several > seconds from time of input power removal to final cessation > of rotor movement (Barring Friction Losses). This is not, > however, over-unity. > > As to the Newman prototype, the unit that Joe Newman is > demonstrating is NOT an OU device. The reason that HE > thinks that it is, is in the flawed mathematics he is using to > arrive at his final efficiency figures. > > At this point, let me interject a note: On the 26th of Feb., > 1999, I received a personal email which chastised me for > answering you with a "pitiful" reply. The author of this post > wrote: (Quote) Mr. Biss, That was a pitiful reply to Stefan > Hartmann. At least you could have been a little more > informative about actual results. I don't know, but after a > reply like that...it sure appears you have something up your > sleeve (End Quote). If this person had read the entire message, > he would have learned that what I posted was a reply to "POP", > and that you did not try to get in touch with me until after THAT > post. I deigned to answer him personally, so he can read my > reply now. > > Respectfully. > Norm Biss > Erie, Pa. > 2-28-99 > > normpems@erie.net > > > > > > > Norm wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stefan Hartmann > > To: normpems@erie.net > > Cc: newman-l@emachine.com ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:42 PM > > Subject: Re: N. Biss designed latest Newman motor, questions... > > > > >Dear Mr. Biss, > > > > > >finally I got your email address. > > >I already wanted to contact you by phone... > > > > > >I have worked over the last 15 years more or less > > >with ideas of the Newman machines and also build 3 small > > >prototypes. > > > > > >See: > > > > > >http://www.overunity.de/newman2 > > >for the latest infos > > >etc... > > > > > > > > >As you have written up this report, how Joe Newman > > >"stole" the motor built by your company, > > >may I ask you a few questions ? > > > > > >1. Did you now build the 2nd prototype motor, > > >that was in the contract between Newman and your boss ? > > > > > >Has this already been tested by you ? > > >What are the results ? > > > > > >2. if not, are you planning to build one now ? > > >If not, why not ? > > > > > >3. Why did Newman or you change the concept and > > >did build the coils into the rotor and not into the stator > > >as before in former motors ? (because of flux leckage considerations ?) > > >I think putting the coils into the rotor is > > >very difficult, cause you have to build a much more > > >complex commutator ! I would rather again build > > >it with a rotating permanent magnet and make sure > > >the flux leackage is minimized at the stator coils. > > > > > >4. Have you studied J.L. Naudin´s and my web site for the latest > > >infos on our Newman research ? > > >What do you think about our results ? (which was also summarized > > >in a recent article of Mike Carrel in Infinite Energy journal Issue 23, > > 1999 > > >page 31 and 32 .) > > >It seems the key effect is rather in the spark gap than > > >any other effect, which is simular to the Correa PAGD effect and > > >the Chernetski self generating discharge effect. > > > > > >5. Naudin came to the conclusion, that indeed the mechanical output can be > > >higher than the electrical input. > > >Do you belive this also from the point of building the latest Newman > > >motor ? ( I at least hope you have done a few test runs by now with the > > >2nd model you had to build due to the Newman contract...) > > > > > >I would really like to hear your point of view. > > >Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > >P.S.: I am not interested in the legal battle between you and Mr. Newman, > > >cause you both have totally different "working > > >setup manners", I guess.. > > > > > >I am only interested in the truth about the efficiency of the machine > > >and want to hear both sides of views. > > >Newman now claims, that with a new (different than yours) winding > > >of the coils he is getting > > >around 250 to 300 % mechanical efficiency versus DC input. > > > > > > > > > > > >>At 22:03 19.02.99 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > > >>The forward was intended to be sent to the list for > > >>dissemination. I apologize for the error in addressing > > >>the post wrongly. > > >> > > >>Respectfully, > > >>Norm Biss > > >>Erie, Pa. > > >>2-19-99 > > >> > > >>normpems@erie.net > > >> > > >> > > >>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:42:36 -0500 > > >>From: Norm Biss > > >>To: pop79@altavista.net > > >>CC: normpems@erie.net > > >>Subject: Re: Newmans Motor > > > > > >>Hello Pop, > > >> > > >>In answer to your question, I am going to direct you to a > > >>URL which will tell you most of what you want to know. > > >>My name is Norm Biss, and I COMPLETELY designed, drew-up the > > >>Blueprints for, and the Company I am employed by, built the > > >>prototype which Joe Newman is > > >>using for his Demonstrations. I am sure that you will > > >>have questions about this, but please go to the URL and > > >>read it first. Thank You. The URL: > > >> > > >>http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm > > >> > > >>Regards, > > >>Norm Biss > > >>Erie, Pa. > > >>2-19-99 > > >> > > >>normpems@erie.net > > >> > > >-- > > >Hartmann Multimedia Service > > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > > >WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.overunity.com > > >email: harti@harti.com > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 12:11:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA12401; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:11:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001001be6356$5f198d80$cea9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Bruce/Robin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:10:19 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-a56H2.0.g13.-BQss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Good idea! ... But the idea >is >promising... To give an illustration: 1000 liter of gas 1000 meters >underwater, >can elevate 1000 liters of water 1000 meter in the air, which is an >increase of >(W=Fs) 10.000*1.000=10.000.000 Joules... Ofcourse this is theoretical and >there are sure some losses... > >What my question was about, how many Joules are needed to create, 1.000 >liters of H2 gas... This to make some calculation... With a Brown's Gas electrolyzer you can create 1000L of H&O (mon-atomic hydrogen and oxygen) with 3kWH. For more info see http://www.eagle-research.com/products/pmisc.html Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 12:19:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15191; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:19:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:19:53 -0800 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Bruce/Robin) Message-Id: <920233170.17696.140@excite.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:19:30 PST X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.165 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"x3rSb3.0.Gj3.fJQss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:10:19 -0800, mrand@access wrote: > Good idea! > ... But the idea > >is > >promising... To give an illustration: 1000 liter of gas 1000 meters > >underwater, > >can elevate 1000 liters of water 1000 meter in the air, which is an > >increase of > >(W=Fs) 10.000*1.000=10.000.000 Joules... Ofcourse this is theoretical and > >there are sure some losses... > > > >What my question was about, how many Joules are needed to create, 1.000 > >liters of H2 gas... This to make some calculation... > > > With a Brown's Gas electrolyzer you can create 1000L of H&O (mon-atomic > hydrogen and oxygen) with 3kWH. For more info see > http://www.eagle-research.com/products/pmisc.html > > Regards, Michael > > > I think his models actually deliver about 30 % monatomic gases. This info is contained in the second book I think. HDN _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 12:49:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA24255; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:49:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:49:06 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, robindye@doitnow.com, neonmagic@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:37:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Bruce/Robin) Message-ID: <19990228.123734.13998.0.tv@juno.com> References: <199902281647.RAA20315@poindexter.wirehub.nl> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,11-12,16-17,19-20,23-86 From: Tim Vaughan Resent-Message-ID: <"E0AVV3.0.qw5.2lQss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You have an interesting idea. It raises many questions. Two primary methods for the production of gas from water come to mind. The first is production of hydrogen/oxygen as a results of electrolysis. The second is the production of "aqua-gas" as the result of carbon electrode arcing under water in which carbon is also consumed in the copious production of flammable gases. As you said its seems possible that you could fill balloons (or floats) with the gases deep under the ocean and the extract work as a result of the bouyancy of the balloons. and then get additional energy from burning the gases when the reach the surface. I am not sure about this, but I believe the boyancy stays about the same as the balloon ascends if it is allowed to expand. The work done by the ascention of the balloon would then be the boyancy force multiplied by distance. What happens to the production of electrolysis or aquagas under great pressure ? It would seem by the argument of the conservation of energy, that electrolysis must become less efficient with pressure ? If not, this presents a possible opportunity. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:33:43 +0100 "." writes: >> I'm not sure I understand the question you are asking. It seems you >> have a method of producing Hydrogen and Oxygen, then using those >gases >> to raise a balloon generating additional electricity. Is that >> correct? > >Yep... > >> Let me give you one word of caution. Try to avoid putting anything >in >> the ocean with moving parts. The reason is that the ocean is a >> corrosive environment. Any machine in the ocean with moving parts >> will soon stop moving, unless it is properly maintained. > >I do understand the 'environmental' construction problems... But the >idea >is >promising... To give an illustration: 1000 liter of gas 1000 meters >underwater, >can elevate 1000 liters of water 1000 meter in the air, which is an >increase of >(W=Fs) 10.000*1.000=10.000.000 Joules... Ofcourse this is theoretical >and >there are sure some losses... > >What my question was about, how many Joules are needed to create, >1.000 >liters of H2 gas... This to make some calculation... > >> I'm sure you are right when you say, "I do think it is possible to >use >> other, not really realized, forms of energy." The trick is to >locate >> rarely used sources of energy and figure out a way to put them to >use. >> It appears that you are on the right track. Perhaps if you could >ask >> more specific questions, it would be possible to give you specific >> answers. > >Sorry for not being very specific... What I specificly more want to >now >about >the rendement of creating H2... How many joules...(V/A)..is needed to >create >a certain amount of energy??? Seems to me you are the >specialist...:-)).. > >This is the same answer can make me believe more in the rocksters >engine... >Why?? Simply because H2O is a very strange matter, with very strange >properties...:-)) > >Aris..(trying to wake up...:-) > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Feb 28 13:27:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03356; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:26:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:26:58 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen (Bruce/Robin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:26:22 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <36d9b2e4.67822416@mail-hub> References: <001001be6356$5f198d80$cea9f0cf@default> In-Reply-To: <001001be6356$5f198d80$cea9f0cf@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OErlp.0.Lq.XIRss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:10:19 -0800, mrand@access wrote: [snip] >With a Brown's Gas electrolyzer you can create 1000L of H&O (mon-atomic >hydrogen and oxygen) with 3kWH. For more info see >http://www.eagle-research.com/products/pmisc.html > >Regards, Michael > You are forgetting that the gas you create at sea level only has a pressure of 1 atm. Deep in the sea, the pressure would be a lot higher, and the volume commensurately smaller. So you need to create a lot more gas (down deep) to get the same volume that you would have on the surface. The extra energy that this will cost is more than enough to compensate for the energy gain from the gas bubble rising to the surface. (I.e. you would actually be worse off). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk