From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 05:48:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20350; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:47:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:47:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980301204709.00713cc4@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 20:47:09 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fWuzM1.0.lz4.LRM-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:14 PM 2/28/98 -0800, you wrote: > By the use of an electrical energy shaping, "Control >Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this >"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its >Chemical Name Hydroxy. Who called it H2O2, but more importantly why? Is that the ratio of H, and O detected? Why is it called 200% gas? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 07:23:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA30626; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:22:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:22:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:29:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803011529.KAA29597@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dick Wood Subject: Re: Hydroxy Resent-Message-ID: <"75NCQ1.0.SU7.lqN-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:17 PM 2/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 11:27 PM 2/28/98 EST, you wrote: >>In a message dated 98-02-27 22:38:23 EST, TR, you write: >> >><< So I vote for Hydroxy for industrial processing applications, and domestic >> electrical storage, (In a specially designed containment area away from >> the house). >> I vote for regular, conventional Hydrogen, Hey Knute I have been reading all your postings and you have really gotten me interested in hydrogen. Could you post a drawing so big dumb guys like me can experiment.Just a little generator(would a car battery work for the main generator cell)people could start with and develop as time,money and interest warrant. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 07:24:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA30711; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:23:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:23:02 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:22:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803011522.HAA21026@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0_L02.0.iV7.KrN-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:14 PM 2/28/98 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: > I have designed and built 210 differing cells. Of those >210, there are about 9 that I am happy with. The most promising is the >"Parallel Cell". By the use of an electrical energy shaping, "Control >Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this >"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its >Chemical Name Hydroxy. Can you share with us your cell design that produced 2X Faraday? Or, is it a proprietary process or patent? Sounds very interesting :-) Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 09:43:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19612; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:39:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:39:31 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:25:10 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <199803011522.HAA21026@germany.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"R8V4i1.0.Jo4.GrP-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:22 AM 3/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:14 PM 2/28/98 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: > >> I have designed and built 210 differing cells. Of those >>210, there are about 9 that I am happy with. The most promising is the >>"Parallel Cell". By the use of an electrical energy shaping, "Control >>Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this >>"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its >>Chemical Name Hydroxy. > >Can you share with us your cell design that produced 2X Faraday? Or, is it >a proprietary process or patent? > >Sounds very interesting :-) > >Regards, Michael > > > Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 09:53:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11024; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:50:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301003418.007b8b10@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:34:18 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydroxy In-Reply-To: <199803011529.KAA29597@mail.wincom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b02aH1.0.Ai2.5_P-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:29 AM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:17 PM 2/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >>At 11:27 PM 2/28/98 EST, you wrote: >>>In a message dated 98-02-27 22:38:23 EST, TR, you write: >>> >>><< So I vote for Hydroxy for industrial processing applications, and domestic >>> electrical storage, (In a specially designed containment area away from >>> the house). >>> I vote for regular, conventional Hydrogen, > > Hey Knute > I have been reading all your postings and you have really gotten me >interested in hydrogen. Could you post a drawing so big dumb guys like me >can experiment.Just a little generator(would a car battery work for the main >generator cell)people could start with and develop as time,money and >interest warrant. > Woody > > Dear Woody. Yes I have started making drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on my list. The drawings will make it easer to understand. Give me some time though, as I am very busy helping others, but I will send these drawings along. If money is a conserne, I started working in Lexan plastic. You can work it on a simple table saw, and glue all the parts together. It can be drilled and taped, and you can make volume production tests in small inexpencive cells. Also you can try out differing power supplys, and voltages. Please do not light a flame on these units they gan not handle the pressure of a flash back. This is how I blew up a garage when I was first starting. Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 09:57:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23144; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:55:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:55:37 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:41:17 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980301204709.00713cc4@world.std.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MkKT6.0.Vf5.N4Q-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:47 PM 3/1/98 +0000, you wrote: > >At 10:14 PM 2/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >> By the use of an electrical energy shaping, "Control >>Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this >>"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its >>Chemical Name Hydroxy. > > > > Who called it H2O2, but more importantly why? *******Brown did! > Is that the ratio of H, and O detected? No! But I do think it was a misconception of the aditional bonds that seem to be present in the MATH. > > Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. Love TR Knudtson > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 10:00:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23579; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:57:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:57:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34F99EEF.8E0@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:46:23 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: IS HYDROXY OVERUNITY ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wKZZY2.0.Am5.K6Q-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I want to know, since you call it 200% gas, is it an OVERUNITY process ? thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 10:06:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13419; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:03:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301004743.007af2a0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:47:43 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydroxy experimentation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r8CNV3.0.bH3.cBQ-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hydroxy experimentation. Is anyone real good with computers and web site management? I have spoken with BillB, and I feel he might like to have a place where experimenters could gather to share in this work and share results with others interested. I am not the proficient with computers but maybe we could work together. Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 10:21:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27886; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:18:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:18:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980302011831.00727330@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:18:31 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Question to TR Knudtson In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980301204709.00713cc4@world.std.com> <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HyamE.0.dp6.kPQ-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:41 AM 3/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> By the use of an electrical energy shaping, "Control >>>Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this >>>"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its >>>Chemical Name Hydroxy. > >> >> Who called it H2O2, but more importantly why? > >*******Brown did! > H2O2 is called hydrogen peroxide, and results from two electron transfer to oxygen. OH- is hydroxyl anion. OH. is hydroxy free free radical, and results from three electron transfer to oxygen, usally via the Born Haber reaction. H20 is water, and results from four electron transfer to oxygen. The species that make this list are real, can be isolated, and are generated by a variety of wellknown electrochemical, biochemical and radiolytic processes. ==================================================== >> Is that the ratio of H, and O detected? > >No! But I do think it was a misconception of the aditional bonds that seem >to be present in the MATH. >> 'No' is a not a ratio. is the ratio 1:1? 2:1? ====================================================== >> Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume >of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% >This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% >or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. > The Faraday is 96,496 coulombs per mole. right? The ratio of 1862:1 = gas generated:liquid used, which you claim, occurs at what temperature and pressure? [You might be right, dont want to be pejorative, just would like some of the answers quantitative.] Thanks, Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 11:17:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22651; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:12:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:12:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980301145557.0055fd38@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:56:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Question to TR Knudtson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QlZvJ2.0.pX5.tCR-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mitchell writes > H2O2 is called hydrogen peroxide, and results from two electron >transfer to >oxygen. Despite claims to the contrary; I have always found on generating this gas that it is diatomic in nature. That is, the gas is a mix of H2 and O2. This must be the basis for the rather poor choice of name, H2O2. Much of the promotional material surrounding "Browns gas" claimed it to be monoatomic. You can probably already guess what I think of this claim. Hydroxy is also, as you point out, a poor choice of name. I used to refer to it as water gas, but here too there is something else by that name. Any suggestions folks? KPN TR writes >>> Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume >>of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% >>This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% >>or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. >> Uh, I'm looking at my old notes here, and when I assume 25 degrees C at 1 atm, I get ~2037 litres of gas per litre of water for 100% faradic efficiency. I get TR's number exactly if I assume 0 degrees C. Not 200%. The reaction chain I am assuming is right out of my old college chem text. Here comes another one of my "OLD" explanations TR... Please post to confirm these numbers Mitchell. Already some are asking if this is "overunity". I detect the motion of rapidly moving hands :^) KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 12:12:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29336; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34F9D9E2.4CBE@cmet.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:57:54 -0500 From: Felix Meyer Reply-To: ce3cwf@cmet.net Organization: CE3CWF X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT-bw (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob References: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VOKJ_.0.HA7.e0S-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com trknudtson ... > >Can you share with us your cell design that produced 2X Faraday? Or, is it > >a proprietary process or patent? > > > >Sounds very interesting :-) > > > >Regards, Michael > > > > > > > Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing > so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on > my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. > > Love > > TR Knudtson May I ask you to put me also on this list as I would like also to experiment. Thanks Felix ce3cwf@cmet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 12:27:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01365; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:18:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:18:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34F9BFAD.1F1@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:06:05 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: I WANT TO BE IN YOUR LIST References: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> <34F9D9E2.4CBE@cmet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wn0Ie3.0.FL.JAS-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Send me your email and I will put you on > my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. I also want to be in this list, PLEASE Thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 12:40:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03368; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:32:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-ROUTED: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:26:48 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <34F9C5B1.EC9B7340@southconn.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:31:45 -0500 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob References: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2ESvh2.0.Tq.uNS-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > TR - since it appears you are making a list of people to send your drawings > to, if it is not to much trouble, pls add me to it....thank you very much.....steven opelc > >>Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this > >>"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its > >>Chemical Name Hydroxy. > > > >Can you share with us your cell design that produced 2X Faraday? Or, is it > >a proprietary process or patent? > > > >Sounds very interesting :-) > > > >Regards, Michael > > > > > > > Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing > so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on > my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. > > Love > > TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 12:59:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24250; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:55:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:55:04 -0800 Message-ID: <34F9CBC8.1140565E@dcache.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:57:44 -0500 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PZUx5.0.kw5.biS-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com trknute@earthlink.net wrote: > snip > > > Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in > doing > so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put > you on > my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. > > Love > > TR Knudtson Please add me to your list for drawings. Thank You Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 14:35:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07562; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:27:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:27:21 -0800 X-Sender: bfox@istar.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Byrun Fox Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:29:46 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"TpbPX.0.1s1.83U-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear TR. I would appreciate and opportunity to view drawing too. Thanks for efforts in advance. Byrun. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 15:01:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11788; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:55:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:55:40 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:55:26 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34fbf507.37644540@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> <34F9D9E2.4CBE@cmet.net> In-Reply-To: <34F9D9E2.4CBE@cmet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"syOVV.0.6u2.hTU-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:57:54 -0500, Felix Meyer wrote: [snip] >trknudtson >... >> >Can you share with us your cell design that produced 2X Faraday? Or, is it >> >a proprietary process or patent? >> > >> >Sounds very interesting :-) >> > >> >Regards, Michael >> > >> > >> > >> Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing >> so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on >> my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. >> >> Love >> >> TR Knudtson > >May I ask you to put me also on this list as I would like >also to experiment. > >Thanks > Felix > ce3cwf@cmet.net > Would the "me too"'s please take care to send their requests to trknute@earthlink.net , and not to freenrg-l? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 15:07:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13799; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:04:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:04:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:06:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199803012306.AAA30017@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Please refund SMOT KIT money ! Resent-Message-ID: <"CNxv9.0.RN3.JcU-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Greg, it is now March 1st and you did not ship anything or at least announced anything. Please refund my money for the SMOT kit. Please wire it back to my account: account No: 46 02 54 - 103 BLZ 100 100 10 Postbank Berlin, Germany BTW, I never ordered a perpetual motion machine, but just a SMOT KIT ! You could have shipped long ago a MK3 based unit KIT.... Best regards, Stefan. cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 15:14:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25640; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:11:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:11:05 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:09:32 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34fcf5f5.37882898@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Mdac2.0.YG6.6iU-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:41:17 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: [snip] >> Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume >of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% >This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% >or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. [snip] Water (H2O) is 18 gm/mol (atomic weight of oxygen = 16 amu, Hydrogen 1 amu). 1 liter of water is 1 kg = 1000 gm. ==> 1 liter = 1000 / 18 = 55.55 mol H2O. Disassociated into molecular hydrogen and oxygen gas this yields 55.55 mol H2 and 27.78 mol O2 (each molecule of water only yields half a molecule of O2). At STP 1 mol of any gas is 22.4 liters. ==> (55.55 + 27.78) * 22.4 = 1867 liters. In short 1 liter of water yields 1867 liters of normal H2 + O2 when disassociated, not 931 liters as claimed above. (Let the difference between 1862 and 1867 be due to round-off errors). If I have erred, let someone correct me. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 17:14:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13375; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:10:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:10:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:08:27 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301002510.007b2720@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Q8N4J2.0.tG3.USW-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 trknute@earthlink.net wrote: -snip- > > > Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing > so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on > my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. > > Love > > TR Knudtson > > Please, add me to this list - thanks :) ekwall2@diac.com -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 17:29:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15185; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:24:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:24:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FA0B33.1EDE@online.no> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:28:19 +0100 From: Frank Roed X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob References: <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <34fcf5f5.37882898@mail.eisa.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cCd_b2.0.Aj3.UfW-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing >so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on >my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. > >Love > >TR Knudtson This is really beginning to sound interesting!!!!! I have been lurking around in this water area with combustion engines. Mixing water with gas and parafin(Norwegian) inspired by Rudolf Gunnerman and others. Low prises on parafin here in Norway has triggerd our interest to higher the octane by adding water and thereby making parafin usable in high compression gas engines. Very interesting results, it seem that by higher compression ratios, VERY MUCH (over 80%) water can be miksed in with minimal power differences. But not so easy to compare, because of changed engine characteristics.(like cant use same high compression on only gas) I'am pretty sure there happens a sort of electrolytic action in the combustion process. And that makes me highly interested in electrolytic processes! Regards Frank Roed From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 17:38:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10041; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:34:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:34:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4548.CD14DBA0@pm3-143.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: New developments, Rick? Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:32:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA09867 Resent-Message-ID: <"M2iRb.0.AS2.foW-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Rick: Any new developments on your capacitor-charging experiments? Anyone here have a theory as to what causes this effect? (I know its been a couple months. Just checking.) I have a theory, but at the risk of being called a crackpot by some, I will refrain untill I have better studies. Best to all, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 17:57:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19281; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:52:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:52:47 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: bfox@istar.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Byrun Fox Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:53:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"fo1Hq.0.5j4.f3X-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Mr. Knudson: Please include me in your group of individuals to recieve cell information. bfox@istar.ca THanks kindly From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 19:20:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29818; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:16:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:16:21 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301092645.007b7710@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:26:45 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <34fcf5f5.37882898@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OW8ji1.0.qH7.3IY-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:09 AM 3/2/98 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:41:17 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: >[snip] >>> Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume >>of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% >>This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% >>or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. >[snip] >Water (H2O) is 18 gm/mol (atomic weight of oxygen = 16 amu, Hydrogen 1 >amu). >1 liter of water is 1 kg = 1000 gm. >==> 1 liter = 1000 / 18 = 55.55 mol H2O. >Disassociated into molecular hydrogen and oxygen gas this yields 55.55 >mol H2 and 27.78 mol O2 (each molecule of water only yields half a >molecule of O2). >At STP 1 mol of any gas is 22.4 liters. >==> (55.55 + 27.78) * 22.4 = 1867 liters. > >In short 1 liter of water yields 1867 liters of normal H2 + O2 when >disassociated, not 931 liters as claimed above. >(Let the difference between 1862 and 1867 be due to round-off errors). > >If I have erred, let someone correct me. > > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on >temperature. >"....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." >PS - no SPAM thanks! >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 19:26:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29761; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:15:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301092450.007a0e40@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:24:50 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question to TR Knudtson In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980302011831.00727330@world.std.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19980301204709.00713cc4@world.std.com> <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SBsbb3.0.sG7.eHY-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:18 AM 3/2/98 +0000, you wrote: >At 12:41 AM 3/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>> By the use of an electrical energy shaping, "Control >>>>Cell" this system produces the 2X Faraday, or 1862 to 1. Some call this >>>>"Hyper Gas", some call it "H2O2", some "200% Gas". I call it by its >>>>Chemical Name Hydroxy. >> >>> >>> Who called it H2O2, but more importantly why? >> >>*******Brown did! >> > > The ratio of 1862:1 = gas generated:liquid used, which you claim, >occurs at what temperature and pressure? [You might be right, dont want >to be pejorative, just would like some of the answers quantitative.] > > Thanks, > > Mitchell Swartz > > Mike I feel that is is a 2:1 ratio. The key I feel is in the resultant lattis matrix theat is formed by the gas. This gas does not stratify in a columb. It remains mixed. You may be able to help with the defining of the math in this structure. The key in the differienciation of hydroxy has been the volume of gas releaced from the quanity of water, @ ambient temp, 72F, and pressure. I want to see more work done on these issues. I can only report what I have seen. Please if you can, do shed some light on how these energy suspensions can happen. Love TR Knudtson 75 e-mails to do tonight, I will write more later. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 19:44:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02393; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:41:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:41:09 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301095129.007bc100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:51:29 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <34fcf5f5.37882898@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PUlBa1.0.Jb.KfY-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:09 AM 3/2/98 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:41:17 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: >[snip] >>> Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume >>of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% >>This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% >>or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. >[snip] >Water (H2O) is 18 gm/mol (atomic weight of oxygen = 16 amu, Hydrogen 1 >amu). >1 liter of water is 1 kg = 1000 gm. >==> 1 liter = 1000 / 18 = 55.55 mol H2O. >Disassociated into molecular hydrogen and oxygen gas this yields 55.55 >mol H2 and 27.78 mol O2 (each molecule of water only yields half a >molecule of O2). >At STP 1 mol of any gas is 22.4 liters. >==> (55.55 + 27.78) * 22.4 = 1867 liters. > >In short 1 liter of water yields 1867 liters of normal H2 + O2 when >disassociated, not 931 liters as claimed above. >(Let the difference between 1862 and 1867 be due to round-off errors). > >If I have erred, let someone correct me. > > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >Dear Robin, I can not begin to tell you how long I have waited for someone like you with all your expertise to come along. I would very much like for you to build these systems and properly evaluate them. I am sure you could build the Ore separator in your sleep. I know that you can tell very easily how it does what is does and why. It would be such a boon if you would build one of the fuel cell, solar Hydroxy closed loop electrical storage systems and do the testing that is so badly needed. I will send you plans, instructions, and assembly drawings, and be more than happy to help in any way I can. Also, I would like you to construct two comparison cells. One of the Parallel cell, and one of the Series cell designs. I know with your vast knowledge you can help to further this technology like no one else. Yull Brown is back in Australia now so maybe you can get help directly from him. Just tell him that you want to help, I am sure he will oblige you. I will also send drawings for accumulator towers that you will need to measure the output of the cells, and the vacuum chamber designs. All of these things you will need, I will help you build. Another good test platform is atmospheric demonstration unit, this shown how Hydroxy reflects "Radio" waves and poses the question "Is Hydroxy a natural occurring gas in the atmosphere. Now on to relative cost of all of these experiments: I know that materials are high in Australia, but you might be able to set up the 5 or 6 major test units for about $150,000.00 Australian. I am sure you will find no problem with this. Keep in mind that I will help you all I can. Love TR Knudtson You see, I build things that work, and you evaluate things that work! What a great team we will make! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 19:47:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02848; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:43:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:43:16 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301095336.007b5670@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:53:36 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <34FA0B33.1EDE@online.no> References: <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <34fcf5f5.37882898@mail.eisa.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"D5rxM3.0.Pi.IhY-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:28 AM 3/2/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing >>so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on >>my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. >> >>Love >> >>TR Knudtson > >This is really beginning to sound interesting!!!!! > >I have been lurking around in this water area with combustion engines. >Mixing water with gas and parafin(Norwegian) inspired by Rudolf >Gunnerman and others. >Low prises on parafin here in Norway has triggerd our interest to higher >the octane by adding water and thereby making parafin usable in high >compression gas engines. >Very interesting results, it seem that by higher compression ratios, >VERY MUCH (over 80%) water can be miksed in with minimal power >differences. >But not so easy to compare, because of changed engine >characteristics.(like >cant use same high compression on only gas) >I'am pretty sure there happens a sort of electrolytic action in the >combustion process. >And that makes me highly interested in electrolytic processes! > >Regards Frank Roed > > Dear Frank I will help you in any way I can. I will put you on a list to recieve drawings of these systems. Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 19:50:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03636; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:46:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:46:39 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:46:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803020346.TAA06564@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Resent-Message-ID: <"9hLJa2.0.fu.UkY-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:25 AM 3/1/98 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: >> >Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing >so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on >my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. Great! Looking forward to seeing your design :-) It looks like there are a lot of other researchers on this list that would also be interested in being on your list to receive your drawings. You could probably save some time by just posting your drawings to this list. Another active builder and researcher in this field, George Wiseman at (wiseman@eagle-research.com), is not on this list though. Have you talked to Wiseman about your design? I am sure he would be interested in your design and experimental results :-) Regards, Michael (mrandall@earthlink.net) >Love > >TR Knudtson > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 19:59:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06239; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:55:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:55:37 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301100601.007ba100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:06:01 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question to TR Knudtson In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980301145557.0055fd38@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NA91Z3.0.KX1.tsY-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:56 PM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Mitchell writes >> H2O2 is called hydrogen peroxide, and results from two electron >>transfer to >>oxygen. > >Despite claims to the contrary; I have always found on generating >this gas that it is diatomic in nature. That is, the gas is a mix >of H2 and O2. This must be the basis for the rather poor choice >of name, H2O2. Much of the promotional material surrounding "Browns >gas" claimed it to be monoatomic. You can probably already guess >what I think of this claim. > >Hydroxy is also, as you point out, a poor choice >of name. I used to refer to it as water gas, but here too there >is something else by that name. Any suggestions folks? KPN > >TR writes >>>> Why is it called 200% gas? This is derived from the ratio of volume >>>of gas as compaired with Faraday standard, 931 liters to 1, seting 100% >>>This gas is 1862 to 1, hence 2 X the standard 931 or 100%, 2 X 100% =200% >>>or 1862 liters per 1 liter volume of water yield. >>> > >Uh, I'm looking at my old notes here, and when I assume 25 degrees C >at 1 atm, I get ~2037 litres of gas per litre of water for 100% faradic >efficiency. I get TR's number exactly if I assume 0 degrees C. Not 200%. >The reaction chain I am assuming is right out of my old college chem >text. Here comes another one of my "OLD" explanations TR... > >Please post to confirm these numbers Mitchell. Already some are >asking if this is "overunity". I detect the motion of rapidly >moving hands :^) > >KPN Thanks Keith for you input Love TR Knudtson > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 20:08:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07427; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:03:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301101240.007b2d40@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:12:40 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Pat's offer of a site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2Qk471.0.wp1.Q-Y-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Patrick, Nice, A Hydroxy experimenters work site on the web. This would be such a great help! Let me know where you would want me to start and I will get right to work. This could realy help get this information out there. Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 20:19:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08636; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301101927.007ba100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:19:27 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob In-Reply-To: <199803020346.TAA06564@italy.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b4-ER1.0.r62.k4Z-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:46 PM 3/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:25 AM 3/1/98 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: >>> >>Yes! I am now working to help others in doing this research, and in doing >>so I am prepairing basic drawings. Send me your email and I will put you on >>my list to recieve thes drawings as I complete them. > >Great! Looking forward to seeing your design :-) > >It looks like there are a lot of other researchers on this list that would >also be interested in being on your list to receive your drawings. You >could probably save some time by just posting your drawings to this list. > >Another active builder and researcher in this field, George Wiseman at >(wiseman@eagle-research.com), is not on this list though. > >Have you talked to Wiseman about your design? I spent three weeks with George this fall. He is producung the abandoned Series Cell. circa 1977. I have helped him and I want him to build the Parallel Cell. George is a good man and works very hard. I like his book and he offers amny good safety tips. Love TR Knudtson PS ask him to send you a copy of our video. George celibrated one yaer having a Hydroxy flame I celibrated the 20th year. It is a good video. > >I am sure he would be interested in your design and experimental results :-) > >Regards, Michael (mrandall@earthlink.net) > >>Love >> >>TR Knudtson >> >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 1 20:49:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17895; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:45:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:45:57 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD4548.CD14DBA0@pm3-143.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:45:48 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Resent-Message-ID: <"GE0kJ2.0.RN4.4cZ-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - Had the flu, and now I'm just catching up on "real" work. Nothing new on the caps; the last result seemed to show the cap charging in a wave that tracked outside ambient temperature more than the temperature in the vicinity of the cap itself, but I need to confirm this and eliminate instrument sources of possible error. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 01:48:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00388; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:46:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:46:38 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:46:13 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34fa88af.26487070@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980228221430.007ab6b0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301004117.007b19f0@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19980301095129.007bc100@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301095129.007bc100@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cgl2D1.0.v5.y_d-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:51:29 -0800, trknute@earthlink.net wrote: [snip] >>Dear Robin, > >I can not begin to tell you how long I have waited for someone like you >with all your expertise to come along. I would very much like for you to Well now, that much of an expert I am not. What I wrote above was just high school chemistry, and there are several others on this list who could have done it in my place. >build these systems and properly evaluate them. I am sure you could build >the Ore separator in your sleep. I know that you can tell very easily how >it does what is does and why. It would be such a boon if you would build >one of the fuel cell, solar Hydroxy closed loop electrical storage systems >and do the testing that is so badly needed. A friend is building a Weissmann(sp?) generator. I will help him with testing and evaluation when it is done. [snip] >I know with your vast knowledge you can help to further this technology >like no one else. Yull Brown is back in Australia now so maybe you can get >help directly from him. Just tell him that you want to help, I am sure he I wonder if you have his address? [snip] >these things you will need, I will help you build. Another good test >platform is atmospheric demonstration unit, this shown how Hydroxy reflects >"Radio" waves and poses the question "Is Hydroxy a natural occurring gas in >the atmosphere. Quick question: What was the container made of that the "hydroxy" was in when you measured the radio wave reflection, and how did you measure it? > >Now on to relative cost of all of these experiments: I know that materials >are high in Australia, but you might be able to set up the 5 or 6 major >test units for about $150,000.00 Australian. I am sure you will find no >problem with this. I assure you I would :(. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 07:42:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15554; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:39:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:39:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19980302153856.21928.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:38:56 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"95K49.0.so3.bAj-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---"Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: > > Hello all: > > Rick: Any new developments on your capacitor-charging experiments? > > Anyone here have a theory as to what causes this effect? (I know its been a couple months. Just checking.) I have a theory, but at the risk of being called a crackpot by some, I will refrain untill I have better studies. Kyle, By all means.....let us in on your theory. Main ones seem to be: 1 - stray capacitance fluctuations are caused by gravity flux [TT Brown/Hodowanec/GWRP] 2 - caused by ionic disturbances/fluctuations [personal theory] 3 - caused by external temp differentials [Rick Monteverde] 4 - caused by scalar waves [Bob Shannon] We're all crackpots here anyway -- come on and join the fun :) > > Best to all, > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 09:47:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10697; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:41:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:41:57 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:32:44 -0500 Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Message-ID: <19980302.123253.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <19980302153856.21928.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"np2C11.0.1d2.Yzk-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:38:56 -0800 (PST) Anton Rager writes: > >Main ones seem to be: >1 - stray capacitance fluctuations are caused by gravity flux [TT >Brown/Hodowanec/GWRP] >2 - caused by ionic disturbances/fluctuations [personal theory] >3 - caused by external temp differentials [Rick Monteverde] >4 - caused by scalar waves [Bob Shannon] > >We're all crackpots here anyway -- come on and join the fun :) > I have a feeling that 1 and 4 may be pretty much the same. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 10:04:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04146; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:51:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:51:28 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302000025.007bb100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:00:25 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydroxy: Browns trip to China Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rDNdW3.0.f01.R6l-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Why Norinco As you I'm sure have found out, the Norinco machines have many problems. Brown has been very complementary to the technical knowledge of the Chinese. Upon his return from China he was very impressed with the design and development staff that he worked with in China. He said that within weeks of his arrival in China, he was placed as head of a 21member staff of academics and they went right to work. The Chinese seemed to grasp not only the basic principles very quickly but also wanted to start work right away on new applications surrounding the anomalous properties of this gas. The problems came up when, as he stated they tried to complicate the control systems to make this simple unit harder to copy. A procedure well entrenched in Western Business. The other thing he was upset with was the crude manufacturing procedures. That he did say was lacking and that the Chinese could learn much from the Japanese in this area. Brown had previously worked with the Japanese and found them to be secretive and suspicious of anyone who claimed new properties in physics. He admitted that his fear was that The Chinese would act in the same manner. Brown had been very reluctant to go to China, as most of his family had been killed under the Communist rule in Bulgaria. I encouraged him to go to China, as I felt that this giant country was preparing to industrialize in a massive and unprecedented manner. With this technology in place, and combining it with their already well developed Hydroelectric production, they could avoid a majority of the pollution problems that the western world is now faced with. This was not an easy political position for me either, as I am an Ex US Navy SEAL, and fought in Vet Am. I was to be married to a Vietnamese woman who was pregnant with my child. Prior to my completing her processing for naturalization to the US, I was forced to return to the States. During my absence, and angered by the fact that my wife to be, was pregnant with an Americans baby, a small detachment of Viet Cong Propagandist raided her village and killed my Love and my child. I did see the people as just that, a people, who also were entering into a struggle to find their place in the world. I do not like communism, but I also have not liked many of the political things my own country has done. It was on this, love of people, that Brown and I discussed at length, this choice to take this technology to China, was made. I can speak for Brown, as per my experience, that this was not an easy decision., and was under discussion for more than a year. I will comment him for taking this move, because I personally know, it was not an easy position to take, for either of us. Both Brown and I have been openly and often criticized for this. Brown himself at one point, blamed me for encouraging him to go to China, as the difficulties with Norinco Machines came to light. I can only say that the Chinese were willing to put forth a major effort when no other nation of company was. These units are expensive and they do break down, but these are their first effort. I hope that in years to come, these units will be improved. I will point out one major thing that I feel others ignore. If it is the case that this energy system has the potential for revolutionizing many polluting types of processes that would further damage the earth's environment, than this one discussion and insured that over 4 Billion people now have a choice not to pollute. As they are undoubtedly going to continue to develop their nation, this is no small statement. History will have to decide this one. Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 11:25:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16383; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD45DC.568F5E80@pm3-146.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: New developments, Rick? Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:52:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD45DC.5696FFA0" Resent-Message-ID: <"nkGsT2.0.t_3.AIm-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD45DC.5696FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Anton Rager[SMTP:a_rager@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 9:38 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? >By all means.....let us in on your theory. Okay, but I want it known that this is ONLY a hypothesis, not supported = by any new experiments. Thats why I'm asking about this, so I can = conduct some experiments to confirm/deny my hypothesis. >Main ones seem to be: >1 - stray capacitance fluctuations are caused by gravity flux [TT >Brown/Hodowanec/GWRP] >2 - caused by ionic disturbances/fluctuations [personal theory] >3 - caused by external temp differentials [Rick Monteverde] >4 - caused by scalar waves [Bob Shannon] And now: 5 - Caused by the Earth's motion through an absolute frame of = reference, or 'ether' if you like. Note how the curve of Rick's = experiments are very similar to the curve of drift shown by the = Michaelson-Morley experiment, the Esclangon experiment, and the Miller = experiment. Hmmmmm.... Rick, are those times listed sidereal hours? >We're all crackpots here anyway -- come on and join the fun :) I think crackpot is a good thing to be, but society lacks my view. Best to all, Kyle R. 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In-Reply-To: <19980302153856.21928.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1x4_O2.0.Bl5.aTn-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Anton Rager wrote: > Kyle, > > By all means.....let us in on your theory. > > Main ones seem to be: > 1 - stray capacitance fluctuations are caused by gravity flux [TT > Brown/Hodowanec/GWRP] > 2 - caused by ionic disturbances/fluctuations [personal theory] > 3 - caused by external temp differentials [Rick Monteverde] > 4 - caused by scalar waves [Bob Shannon] > > We're all crackpots here anyway -- come on and join the fun :) *crackpot entry* :) 5 - Perpetual Aethric wave pumping charges it :) ref: Ross Tession' : results will be stronger during times our earth is facing the center mass of the universe, or nearest star-pump (day/night). so, reading should be higher in daytime. (close to 2,3,4 & outdoor temp findings) --------- steve (i don't use spell-check) ekwall --------- "if a word is misspelled in the dictionary, how would we know?" :)humm -=se=- ekwall2@diac.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 19:41:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15854; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:35:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:35:14 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD45DC.568F5E80@pm3-146.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:35:04 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: RE: New developments, Rick? Resent-Message-ID: <"ZSrKa1.0.dt3.mft-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > Hmmmmm.... Rick, are those times listed sidereal hours? No, just local time on the one's I've posted. Don't know about the TTB postings on their website, but I bet they're local too. Kyle, the correlation to temperature changes is dead-on. Ok, the sample is very small here, and 'real' science would demand rigorous replications and systematic elimination of any chance of instrument or other error. But for my two bits worth of effort on this, I can see it's temperature driven. Now I'm not as sure about the external/local-detector temperature thing where you clamp the temperature at the detector and the external outside temperature still drives the curves around, but that's what it looks like. That's *clearly* shown without any reasonable doubt by the TTB results. I only had one shot at that, and the local temperature did drift a bit too much for comfort. I'm relying more on the TTB results for that. Some of TTB's runs were done down in a tunnel presumably well away from the external effects of diurnal heating of the surface and it still showed up - I think. How do I know the curves he got were temperature curves without having data for the temperature on those days? I don't. But the curves have that same look - a nice run-up generally around 10am or so, etc. But of course without the actual temperature data it may be something else, or more probably a combination of things. These results generally suggest to me something piezoelectric (thermal expansion and contraction) or pyroelectric in the surrounding media, or maybe ionization in the atmosphere itself. The problem is, it doesn't rule out aether drift or gravitational variations or something else, but it certainly contaminates any attempt to see those separate effects apart from the temperature if the thermal effects manage to insinuate themselves into a well isolated and insulated experiment. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 20:07:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20394; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:00:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:00:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:58:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803030358.TAA05333@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: TR Knudtson Video Resent-Message-ID: <"MYjs9.0.Y-4.Y1u-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:19 AM 3/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>Have you talked to Wiseman about your design? >I spent three weeks with >George this fall. He is producung the abandoned Series Cell. circa 1977. >I have helped him and I want him to build the Parallel Cell. George is a >good man and works very hard. I like his book and he offers amny good >safety tips. > >Love > >TR Knudtson > >PS ask him to send you a copy of our video. Thanks! I e-mailed George Wiseman and requested a copy. Can other interested freenrg-l list members obtain a copy of your video from you? As you know, George is very busy building his energy designs. :-) >George celibrated one yaer >having a Hydroxy flame I celibrated the 20th year. It is a good video. Does your video show your parallel cell design? Any demonstration of the Hydroxy gas output uses? Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 21:25:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02912; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:22:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:22:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803030520.VAA20974@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:24:25 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yP1oV2.0.Qj.lDv-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com RE: Cap charging I'm currently trying to measure and accurately quantify the Biefield-Brown effect (if it exists), but so far no luck. I've charged a 3-foot diam flat plate cap to 85KV with no detectable alterations in mass/weight. I'm working on a more sensitive balance and a higher voltage supply, and I'll post any positive or negative results here. --Gary ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? > Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 7:38 AM > ........ > Kyle, > > By all means.....let us in on your theory. > > Main ones seem to be: > 1 - stray capacitance fluctuations are caused by gravity flux [TT > Brown/Hodowanec/GWRP] > 2 - caused by ionic disturbances/fluctuations [personal theory] > 3 - caused by external temp differentials [Rick Monteverde] > 4 - caused by scalar waves [Bob Shannon] > > We're all crackpots here anyway -- come on and join the fun :) > > > > > > > Best to all, > > Kyle Randall Mcallister > > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > > Phone: 228-875-0629 > > Fax: 228-872-5837 > > > > > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 21:28:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09816; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:23:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:23:01 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302030130.007b5510@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 03:01:30 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: General info TR Knudtson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GzkkT3.0.8P2.pEv-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:31 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote: Thanks for your lengthy reply. I like to 'get to know' something about the person behind the posting. I am sorry to hear about the loss of your wife to be and child. Losses like that can leave a big hole. I get the feeling that you have handled the loss and have moved on with your life. Yes I was devastated at the time. I still harbor some guilt, as I feel that she was willing to marry me primarily to bring income to her family. This may have been true in the beginning, but as time went on she became deeply in love with me. I treated her parents with respect, and I helped the village put in a new well pump, and rewired a small restaurant and central gathering place in her village. I loved all the children of her village, and would always stop to play ball each time I passed. They called me the Giant form across the sea. In time, all the village would welcome me when I was able to visit. She became very proud of me, and her family was honored in the village. My natural helpful nature that I shared with others, proved to be what garnered favor. I treated all with courtesy and respect, no mater their station. There was an old blind woman in the village, who earned her keep by doing washing in the river near by. I would always give her a little something each time I came. One time on my unexpected return to the village, my family had been called away to Sigon at the death of a relative, a weeks travel. The old woman heard that there was no one to greet me. She asked if I would have dinner at her home, prior to returning to my base. I told her that I was honored, and went with her to her house. I was shown in to a long structure, that I learned was, hand-built for her by neighbors. Not much more than a lean-to in an ally way, it consisted of a long narrow lining space, and a small separate cooking area in the rear. The floor was made of layered cardboard, nailed over shipping pallets. She had me sit on a sleeping mat as she went about preparing our meal. With freshly picked vegetables and peppers taken from a small garden area at the rear of her home, she began to fix what would be one of the most delicious meals I had had yet in Vietnam. She smiled a lot and hummed as she went about her work. A small army of giggling children had gathered at the back door, much taken in by the goings on. Reaching under her skirt, she unhooked a small purse and pulled an older boy by his hair. Pushing a few coins into his hand she sent him off to buy some meat. We sat at a low table that in less than thirty minutes was filled with food. Every time she would hear my chop sticks clicking on the bottom of my bowl, she would push over a new bowl filled with the next course. We spoke very little exchanging the few niceties that I new in Vietnamese. I could see that she had gone all out to fix a wonderful meal, and was reluctant to just eat and run. She settled back, pulling a few things from under the table, she started to sew. I was full and tired and asked if I could rest before I left. She moved a trunk away from the end of the mat, to make room for my long legs and summarily pushed me back to the mat. I was more tired than I knew because I soon was in a deep sleep. I groggily woke a few times from my exhausted sleep to the sight of her fanning me in the warm night. I did not wake fully until the hundreds of chickens crowing, forced me to sit up. She was still fanning me, smiling and humming. After some rice and eggs, I left, but not before pushing a hand full of coins under the pillow of her sleeping mat. To this day I think she could see a little out of one eye. How did you get to know Dr. Brown? Maybe that info was included in a previous post and I overlooked it. It is not important that I know, I am just curious. I had been working in hydrogen research for many years, and I had become angry with warfare and the losses to all who engage in it. I returned to the US to be discharged, and immediately started working again in hydrogen technologies. Then, 1977, only the foolhardy were into hydrogen research, crack pot, was the term I think. As you might guess those who took this research seriously formed a small school of devotees. In the early 80s I had read some of the articles about Browns work and later through a friend, I began to write and call him. We exchanged stories and he liked what I had done. I had only mixed the gasses a few times prior to my working with Brown, and I might add with disastrous effects. Under his insistence I began to build basic cells producing the Hydroxy gas. In a short while he had me start working on testing out simple and crude machines to proof out systems of applications. He would suggest one of the characteristics of the gas, and ask me to develop a system that could best take advantage of this capability. One by one we worked out the details of these systems, he shared openly with me and I with him. He came to the US in 86 and 88, and I helped set up rooms, often only garages, for his demonstrations. I had an Electrical Contracting business at the time. In late 88 I shared some of what I had been doing in hydrogen research with then customers of mine, the owners and chief engineer of a company named Southwest Concrete. The owners son was building an electric car at the time, so they were interested in alternative energy technologies. Within a few months we were flying down to meet Brown in Australia. We spent a week with him at his lab in Auburn and managed to get him to agree to come once again to the States. As far as Southwest's investment in Brown to date, the Bob, owner has said that they have spent over 500,000 helping Brown, and to no avail. They have picked up the tab for shipping, hotels, meals, on and on. The shop that is shown in many of the videos, is one that I set up for Brown at their facility in Ontario, California. Brown was not very happy with the US as many here had seen his demonstrations, and scoffed at each conjecture or suggested application. He many times openly stated that "America will only take Hydrogen seriously when the Arabs Turn of the tap", and I think he is right. No mater the demonstrations of press coverage no real offers have come forward. I might add that most of what has been done to further Browns work in the US has come because of the efforts of the people at Southwest Concrete. Many newspaper releases, coverage on prime time TV news. Interviews with politicians both at the State level and national. All with the same results, Brown is too demanding of too stubborn to work with. You seem to have much experience with the gas, whatever it is. Do you think there are reasonable commercial applications for it? What might they be? Many, send me you e-mail and I will download as many as I have written about. I am aware of some of the 'nuclear waste' redemption claims for Brown's Gas. What about other applications? I have read just about everything about Brown's Gas that is posted anywhere on the web. Brown has lost his patents on the gas, I think he refuses to talk of the applications because he still hopes to control their release under new patents. He is still making money through investments of others, but to date I do not think there is one single company using this system. Just a long line of people who invest in the dream. A dream that to date he keeps locked up. By the way, you said you were a Viet Nam vet and ex Navy Seal. Well, I am impressed with both facts. I have the impression that Navy Seals are the best of the best. It is a very tough outfit to get into, and it requires a special kind of person. Not really, the training was very hard but after a time it becomes like most other jobs, same old thing day after day. I hope never see another gun, submarine or helicopter again, I had my fill. I served almost 8 years. I am old enough to have served in Viet Nam. Prior to the lottery I was in college and got a student deferment. During the lottery, I drew a very high number (341), so I was never called. I would have gone, or maybe joined up, if called, but I just 'lucked out'. I do appreciate all those who did serve. I am not exactly the 'military type', but if called, I would have gone for pilot training in Air Force or Navy. My brother-in-law retired as a Lt. Colonel from the Air Force about 6 years ago, and my father was severely wounded in France during WWII. I know it might sound hokey, but I had no problem with those at home. I felt it was my job to defend their freedom. I know that the service man got a bad rap when we returned home, that freedom to not agree is also what I was fighting for. I do not put you into the draft evader group, but I felt that these rights to descent and assemble were what my time in the service was all about. This is enough for now, I must get back to work. Love TR Knudtson Gene Batten Senior Engineer Northern Telecom Research Triangle Park, N.C. mdleb@nortel.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 21:34:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12508; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:31:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:31:41 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302030947.007bc670@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 03:09:47 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TR Knudtson Video In-Reply-To: <199803030358.TAA05333@germany.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XbbhG3.0.e23.sMv-q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:58 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:19 AM 3/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>> >>>Have you talked to Wiseman about your design? > >>I spent three weeks with >>George this fall. He is producung the abandoned Series Cell. circa 1977. >>I have helped him and I want him to build the Parallel Cell. George is a >>good man and works very hard. I like his book and he offers amny good >>safety tips. >> >>Love >> >>TR Knudtson >> >>PS ask him to send you a copy of our video. > >Thanks! I e-mailed George Wiseman and requested a copy. > >Can other interested freenrg-l list members obtain a copy of your video from >you? > >As you know, George is very busy building his energy designs. :-) > >>George celibrated one yaer >>having a Hydroxy flame I celibrated the 20th year. It is a good video. > >Does your video show your parallel cell design? > >Any demonstration of the Hydroxy gas output uses? > >Regards, Michael Randall I have Videos that go back to the 70s about 28 houer in all. The earliest is one done by the BBC on browns shop in Auburne Australia. If there is a need fro these I will see what I can do to get them copied. I gave george all that I had. I am a bit miffed because I am told that he is charging for them, is this true? I gave them to him personely not for him to hock them off. Well, what can you asy after all. ( Smile ) Love TR Knudtson Maybe I should charge? hehehehehehe Not! > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 2 22:18:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11256; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:12:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:12:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:11:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803030611.WAA12961@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: TR Knudtson Video Resent-Message-ID: <"qtJa13.0.jl2.Tzv-q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 03:09 AM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> >I have Videos that go back to the 70s about 28 houer in all. The earliest >is one done by the BBC on browns shop in Auburne Australia. If there is a >need fro these I will see what I can do to get them copied. I gave george >all that I had. Yes, I would like to see any video that showed Dr. Brown's work on running a gasoline engine on his gas. There was a statement back in Australian news reports (1980's) that Brown was able to generate his gas in his car as he ran his car without any other energy or fuel input besides water! Did this statement have any merit? Also, any "how to build"/"how it works" video's on your Hydroxy parallel cell, 2X Faraday designs? I am a bit miffed because I am told that he is charging >for them, is this true? I gave them to him personely not for him to hock >them off. > >Well, what can you asy after all. ( Smile ) > >Love > >TR Knudtson > >Maybe I should charge? hehehehehehe Not! I would gladly reimburse you for the shipping charges and tape cost :-) Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 07:34:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12057; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:30:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:30:30 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302130740.007b8610@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:07:40 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TR Knudtson Video In-Reply-To: <199803030611.WAA12961@germany.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cDMRF3.0.Jy2.I82_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:11 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 03:09 AM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>> >>I have Videos that go back to the 70s about 28 hours in all. The earliest >>is one done by the BBC on Browns shop in Auburne Australia. If there is a >>need for these I will see what I can do to get them copied. I gave george >>all that I had. > >Yes, I would like to see any video that showed Dr. Brown's work on running >a gasoline engine on his gas. There was a statement back in Australian news >reports (1980's) that Brown was able to generate his gas in his car as he >ran his car without any other energy or fuel input besides water! > >Did this statement have any merit? This would be a tolal change of heart on Browns part. When wi first met I had suggested such an experiment. Brown laught, ant then became angry. He sat down and did the math in such a proposal. He quickly pointed to out in nis calculations that at best this type of system would be about 65% underunity. HE, said it was imposible and that where we should do work is on the industrial applications for the gas, not "Some foolish persuet of over unity". > >Also, any "how to build"/"how it works" video's on your Hydroxy parallel >cell, 2X Faraday designs? > > I am a bit miffed because I am told that he is charging >>for them, is this true? I gave them to him personely not for him to hock >>them off. >> >>Well, what can you asy after all. ( Smile ) >> >>Love >> >>TR Knudtson >> >>Maybe I should charge? hehehehehehe Not! > >I would gladly reimburse you for the shipping charges and tape cost :-) > >Regards, Michael That is very fair Michael, I will check on getting them done. TRK > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 08:17:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26478; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:08:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:08:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803031608.IAA04132@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: TR Knudtson Video Resent-Message-ID: <"hRToh3.0.dT6.3i2_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:07 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> >This would be a tolal change of heart on Browns part. When wi first met I >had suggested such an experiment. Brown laught, ant then became angry. He >sat down and did the math in such a proposal. He quickly pointed to out in >nis calculations that at best this type of system would be about 65% >underunity. >HE, said it was imposible and that where we should do work is on the >industrial applications for the gas, not "Some foolish persuet of over >unity". Ok, just checking. I did see Dr. Brown standing next to a 5 HP Briggs and Straton engine hooked up to his gas in the Jul/Sep '93, "Extraordinary Science" (ITS publication). Did Brown test the gas in the engine for both implosion and explosion effects? Any experimental data or video coverage available? >>I would gladly reimburse you for the shipping charges and tape cost :-) >> >>Regards, Michael > >That is very fair Michael, I will check on getting them done. Great! If you could index them according to time (data of video coverage) and video content, that way interested members could view topic's that interested them. :-) Regards, Michael >TRK From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 11:11:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16159; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:56:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:56:35 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <8e0ba73.34fc51e3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:54:25 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 100 ft.long wire for flux, not current, a way for overunity?(Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"-W38p.0.Py3.U95_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I had a thought about the time delay that would be an aspect of a long "wire" that would transmit magnetic flux, not electricity. I put together two basic concept drawings. They shows a series of bar magnets with ferrite bars between. The flux circuit is opened and closed by a magnet at a point in the 100 foot long loop of magnets/ferrite. What I am curious about is, when the magnet is removed, is there a time delay with respect to the redirecting of the flux path around the coils in the drawings. If so, how could this be taken advantage of for possible overunity results from the circuit? As I stated several weeks ago, I will put my drawings on a web site so as not to take up space on the list. The address is listed below for those who would care to look at the two drawings, butch200.gif & butch201.gif. This is just a theory, but maybe it could lead to a new idea for someone, as have some of my past designs. I think there could be loses in the ferrite bars as the flux travels, But I don't see this as a reason to not look into the basic concept. I see the overunity coming from the drag on the magnet being delayed due to the flux taking time to reconfigure the domains in the ferrite. Could the magnet be removed before the delayed drag force reaches the magnet? If this delay existed at all, no matter how small, it would be an interesting discovery in my opinion. Comments, please Thanks, Butch http://members.aol.com/HLafonte/LaFonteResearchSite1.html LaFonte Research Site 1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 13:36:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12110; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:26:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:26:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD46B8.475C4CC0@pm3-143.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: New developments, Rick? Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:23:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD46B8.4763EDE0" Resent-Message-ID: <"77n-S1.0.4z2.KM7_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD46B8.4763EDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Rick Monteverde[SMTP:monteverde@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 9:35 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: New developments, Rick? >Kyle, the correlation to temperature changes is dead-on.=20 Actually, it isn't. My tests have shown a definite curve in the charging = rate, and I have performed these tests under controlled temperature. >Ok, the sample is >very small here, and 'real' science would demand rigorous replications = and >systematic elimination of any chance of instrument or other error. But = for >my two bits worth of effort on this, I can see it's temperature driven. = Now >I'm not as sure about the external/local-detector temperature thing = where >you clamp the temperature at the detector and the external outside >temperature still drives the curves around, but that's what it looks = like. Specifically how many tests/how many days have you tested this effect? I don't see how a temperature correlation can possibly exist if the = temperature around the caps doesn't change, but the outside temp = changes. That would have to be something else. >That's *clearly* shown without any reasonable doubt by the TTB results. = I >only had one shot at that, and the local temperature did drift a bit = too >much for comfort. I'm relying more on the TTB results for that. Some of >TTB's runs were done down in a tunnel presumably well away from the >external effects of diurnal heating of the surface and it still showed = up - >I think. How do I know the curves he got were temperature curves = without >having data for the temperature on those days? I don't. But the curves = have >that same look - a nice run-up generally around 10am or so, etc.=20 Yes, but that 10am thing could be caused by any number of things. Ether = drift is all I can think of as of yet for something that regular. >But of >course without the actual temperature data it may be something else, or >more probably a combination of things. I think this is probably the case. >These results generally suggest to me something piezoelectric (thermal >expansion and contraction) or pyroelectric in the surrounding media, or >maybe ionization in the atmosphere itself. The problem is, it doesn't = rule >out aether drift or gravitational variations or something else, but it >certainly contaminates any attempt to see those separate effects apart = from >the temperature if the thermal effects manage to insinuate themselves = into >a well isolated and insulated experiment. How can thermal effects creep into a thermally isolated test? Kyle R. 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Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PlantSeed@aol.com CC: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it, freenrg-L@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Renewable Energy Rally Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_JdZG1.0.PE.-s8_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi! A friend, Josef Hasselberger sent me a note about the proposed million person rally to draw worldwide attention to renewable energy sources. I particularly like the idea of participation from around the world, kind of a United Nations approach. There were no details about it and I'm sure you need to work it out. Put KeelyNet and myself down as participants. You mention renewables. I have no problems with that and I think it is a wonderful idea. IMHO, the focus should be how best to bring attention to big government wasting our research dollars on hot fusion and other sources that have wasted billions of dollars with NO NET RESULTS..... Another target should be the Atomic Energy Commission and ABOVE ALL, the DOE (department of energy)....they have totally abrogated their responsibilties to the American people (and the world at large) by ignoring many novel potential energy sources for YEARS. My point is, to make a DIFFERENCE, this rally would have to have specific goals and targets that would bring major attention to bear on the people or agencies who have not made positive changes and need to be fired, replaced or have their methods reconsidered. It would also be great to have some pop and flash (for publicity purposes), maybe convincing Bill Wysock to bring his HUGE Tesla coil and lighting it up at night in front of the reflecting pool to throw off 20 and 30 foot lightning bolts!!!!!! People pay attention to noise and flash....as we were told by the Texas State Fair directors, people buy (the potential for) sex or death, preferably combined... So, please put me on the list and I'll setup a page or URL to YOUR page with the details of who, what, when, how and WHY this event will take place... Excellent idea!! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 15:47:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07469; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:36:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:36:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:03:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199803032303.AAA12821@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Any news from Greg Watson ? Did he refund others ? Resent-Message-ID: <"Mhxt9.0.2q1.yF9_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I am still waiting to hear anything new from Greg Watson. Did anybody else had some contacts with him lately ? (via email or phone) (during the last 3 weeks ) Did he refund to anybody else yet the SMOT kit money ? It seems he has not yet delivered anything from his SMOT Kit orders, so I would suggest to everyone NOT to order anymore, until the situation is clear, that he will really ship anything. I have not heard anything from him regarding my refund request. So I am very curious how others feel about this. Is he so much in trouble that he can not refund the money or is his new company concept holding him from refunding or shipping anything ? Please let me know your view. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 16:41:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13061; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:30:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:30:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FCAA35.78CB@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:11:17 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: vortex-L@eskimo.com, pgb@padrak.com Subject: Renewable Energy Rally Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qOe4N.0.pB3.P2A_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! This is the initial post for the rally; PlantSeedK@aol.com wrote: I am starting to organize a multi-million person rally on the mall in Washington, D.C. The focus will be an anti-war rally which wants to make renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and hydrogen power the main source of power in our country. We can not expect immediate results, but if we can make a strong enough statement to the general public a rapid change will develop. Anybody interested in this idea please contact him directly at the above e-mail address. (Be sure to note the K on the end of PlantSeed in the address when you respond...) Regards - Josef Hasslberger -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 16:52:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17213; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FCA1FE.5726@microtec.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:36:14 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Renewable Energy Rally References: <34FCA79A.1FA3@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KkSJU2.0.pC4.jJA_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I have lots of space on my site me too. count me in. I could make a special page in my site especially for info on the rally. Please reply, thanks patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 17:08:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00284; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:58:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:58:40 -0800 Message-ID: <34FCD0DE.FC9@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:56:14 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Any news from Greg Watson ? Did he refund others ? References: <199803032303.AAA12821@cache.hb.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y24X7.0.M4.-SA_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi, > > I am still waiting to hear anything new from Greg Watson. > > Did anybody else had some contacts with him lately ? (via email or phone) > (during the last 3 weeks ) > > Did he refund to anybody else yet the SMOT kit money ? > > It seems he has not yet delivered anything from his > SMOT Kit orders, so I would suggest to everyone NOT to order > anymore, until the situation is clear, that he will > really ship anything. > > I have not heard anything from him regarding my refund request. > So I am very curious how others feel about this. > > Is he so much in trouble that he can not refund the money or > is his new company concept holding him from refunding or > shipping anything ? > > Please let me know your view. > > Thanks ! > > Regards, Stefan. Stefan, I think his company cannot stop him from shipping SMOT kits. Greg personally accepted orders,legal binding contracts, to deliver the kits. These contracts existed long before Greg's company was formed. I don't think Greg can simply choose to honor an agreement made with his company, and fail to deliver the kits as he had originally agreed. I don't think its legal or fair to sign a contract that prevents you from delivering on existing legal contacts. The fact that you have had no response seems to be a clear sign. If Greg's company really wants his technology, they will gladly buy back your contract for a SMOT kit at a huge profit to you. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 17:55:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26685; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:47:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:47:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FCCCC4.178C@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:38:44 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energeon@microtec.net CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Renewable Energy Rally References: <34FCA79A.1FA3@keelynet.com> <34FCA1FE.5726@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SMuip2.0.nW6.oAB_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Patrick! You wrote; > I have lots of space on my site me too. count me in. I could make a > special page in my site especially for info on the rally. The fellow behind this is; PlantSeedK@aol.com All I know at this point is from the post sent by Josef, don't even know this plantseed's name. I'm definitely a supporter of it too...a good idea to do it with alternative medicine also....force serious attention to be paid to both of the subjects....we need to make the government realize there are a lot of unhappy campers out here.... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 17:55:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12908; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:54:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:54:27 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD46B8.475C4CC0@pm3-143.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:54:14 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: RE: New developments, Rick? Resent-Message-ID: <"6GbyE2.0.b93.IHB_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > Actually, it isn't. My tests have shown a > definite curve in the charging rate, and I > have performed these tests under > controlled temperature. Yes, but I think that you'd find that if you make a graph of the outside deltaT at each data point, and compare that with the deltaV of the caps over the corresponding intervals, I think you'll see the clear correspondence I've been talking about. > How can thermal effects creep into a thermally isolated test? That was my whole explanation, but I must not have written it very clearly. I'm saying that maybe daily solar heat, light (UV< etc.) on the air/ground/environment causes *electrical* changes in that environment due to piezo/pyro-electric/ionization effects, and those changes in turn effect the caps even though the caps might be isolated from any local temperature changes. Such changes are known to affect the upper atmosphere and cause large waves of magnetism that causes compasses to vary slightly during the day. So *maybe* it's just that heat stresses the rocks and soil etc., electrical changes result, and the insulated caps detect it. Not sure that's it, but it's a "conventional" explanation. And unless I can see a good uncoupling of the curves from the temperature, I'd say that it's for now probably the best one. I like weird as much as anyone on this list, and it's that which I'm looking for in the first place. But I'll always put conventional explanations up first if the fit is good. Then if I can *break* that explanation, we're stuck with what's left - and then you're much more solid in the aether/antigravity/scalar/whatever territory. See Kooistra's gizmo in the current issue of "Infinite Energy" magazine calling for a longitudinal EM force to explain the results of the experiment. So far the "conventional" explanations don't seem to hold much water in the face of his results. That's what I want to see in this cap thing. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 18:05:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16028; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:05:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:05:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980303215007.0055a5d0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:50:11 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: The cost of power... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kBuxa2.0.Jw3.hRB_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All: My local power co. has started a new program; where power can be purchased from several competing companies. Previously, I mentioned the premium rate I was paying for power, 13.5 cents per kilowatt-hour. So I was delighted to hear about this. Now, I'm looking at the bill, and the deal is as follows. The power is purchased seperately from the delivery. The Co. of course will still be delivering it to me; so they will now quote me a price seperate from this service. That price is 3.5 cents... Yup, 1/4 of the total bill for the actual power. A machine capable of delivering a kilowatt continuously for say a year would only be competitive if it's construction costs were < $300. Likely it would have to be under $100 for a real business. Factoring in the 3.5 cents retail vs what the Co. pays, and now we're talking maybe 25-50$. Although now I could probably go into business against the Co. at say 3 cents :^) This new policy is overall a good thing; but points out how difficult it will be to bring a "free" energy system to market and survive competition. KPN BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop wireless power transmission. A very practical man. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 21:38:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01428; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:38:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302165723.007b4760@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:57:23 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The cost of power... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980303215007.0055a5d0@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xAUQw2.0.DM.gZE_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 09:50 PM 3/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello All: > >My local power co. has started a new program; where power can be >purchased from several competing companies. Previously, I mentioned >the premium rate I was paying for power, 13.5 cents per kilowatt-hour. >So I was delighted to hear about this. Now, I'm looking at the bill, >and the deal is as follows. The power is purchased seperately from >the delivery. The Co. of course will still be delivering it to me; >so they will now quote me a price seperate from this service. > >That price is 3.5 cents... > >Yup, 1/4 of the total bill for the actual power. A machine capable >of delivering a kilowatt continuously for say a year would only >be competitive if it's construction costs were < $300. Likely >it would have to be under $100 for a real business. Factoring in >the 3.5 cents retail vs what the Co. pays, and now we're talking >maybe 25-50$. Although now I could probably go into business against >the Co. at say 3 cents :^) > >This new policy is overall a good thing; but points out how difficult >it will be to bring a "free" energy system to market and survive >competition. > >KPN > >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. > Dear Keith, Wow! At those prices you can stay in the dark ages of utility dependency for the rest of your life. I at least now have a more clear understanding of you perspective on Science in General. Originally I found it hard to understand that when I spoke of a new understanding how Hydroxy reactions could offer a new insight of how matter and energy inter relate. Or, how unexpressed potential energy, held in the Hydroxyl suspension, could manifest as heat, neutrality, vacuum, light, electrical motive force, ultra violet, infrared, and counter gravity, you only wanted to know how many "kWh" it took to make it. So, now I am wondering, if they find the suspected 10th planet, will you ask them how many "kWh" it took. Or, when they found submarine red tipped worms, that grew twice as long under the ice at the North Pole, would you seek that they do it for less than 3.5 cents per "kWh" multiplied by 12 hours, per day, over the two years of the term of the project = 3,066 dollars, US, Grenache Mean Time, "adjusted for projected inflation"? But yes, I can see your point, at these reduced prices, all scientific investigation should be abandoned. No! Better yet, why don't we make anyone caught experimenting, be forced to pay society a rebate on their electric bill. If each person who is foolish to try to look at the universe in a new way were forced to pay a surcharge, for wasting air, we could divert the funds right to your electric bill. In time you could actually be expecting a rebate each month. Wow! True FREE energy. My only remaining thought is "How are we so luck to be graced with you presence"? (Smile) Love TR Knudtson A very impractical man! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 22:17:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07265; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:16:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:16:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FD0BE4.5FB5@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:08:04 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Renewable Energy Rally References: <34FCA79A.1FA3@keelynet.com> <34FCA1FE.5726@microtec.net> <34FCCCC4.178C@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w1Lek.0.Jn1.G7F_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! Got a more detailed response from Richard Lasken about how this rally is coming about....all posted at; http://keelynet.com/energy/rally.htm If you can help, this could become something really big and make some serious changes in government energy agencies when people from all over the world show up in Washington.... As pointed out to me....our 'national interest' with regard to Saudi Arabia (and Iraq) revolves around oil. When we begin converting to other sources of energy, we no longer need all that oil and can leave other countries alone to fulfill their own destiny without our interference. This would be a perfect time to bring out all those working devices we are all hiding....... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 3 22:42:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10881; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:41:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:41:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:40:51 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The cost of power... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980302165723.007b4760@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PIgWb.0.if2.oUF_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 trknute@earthlink.net wrote: > >That price is 3.5 cents... > > But yes, I can see your point, at these reduced prices, all scientific > investigation should be abandoned. No! Better yet, why don't we make > anyone caught experimenting, be forced to pay society a rebate on their > electric bill. If each person who is foolish to try to look at the > universe in a new way were forced to pay a surcharge, for wasting air, we > could divert the funds right to your electric bill. In time you could > actually be expecting a rebate each month. Wow! True FREE energy. > > My only remaining thought is "How are we so luck to be graced with you > presence"? (Smile) > > Love > > TR Knudtson > A very impractical man! > > ~Touche~ (bigger smile :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 10:23:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00520; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:23:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:23:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34FB9025.27611376@beaches.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:07:50 -0600 From: Dean Reply-To: deann@beaches.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The cost of power... References: <3.0.5.32.19980302165723.007b4760@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7xnB7.0.18.KmP_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com trknute@earthlink.net wrote: > At 09:50 PM 3/3/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello All: > > > >My local power co. has started a new program; where power can be > >purchased from several competing companies. Previously, I mentioned > >the premium rate I was paying for power, 13.5 cents per kilowatt-hour. > >So I was delighted to hear about this. Now, I'm looking at the bill, > >and the deal is as follows. The power is purchased seperately from > >the delivery. The Co. of course will still be delivering it to me; > >so they will now quote me a price seperate from this service. > > > >That price is 3.5 cents... > > Hmmm... I can understand your excitement over power at 'give-away' priceshowever, I see a probable 'gotcha' there. If you are in fact now consuming power for a cost of 3.5 cents/KW enjoy it while it lasts (it wont last for long... loopholes like that are quickly closed). In pointing out the cost disparity, you may have mixed apples and oranges. You said you were paying 13.5 cents until you switched companies. Was that 13.5 cents your total cost (delivered) or was it just for the electricity? Some years ago when laws were passed requiring the power companies to purchase power generated by their customers this 'value of power' was thrashed around. The results were the companies would pay 'avoided cost' for this power, that is, they would credit the generator of this power the equivalent cost of the fuel the power company didn't have to burn to generate it. This seems to have averaged out to around 2 cents / kWh. The inferred message here is that it is the infrastructure that is the primary expense. To maintain the 'delivery' service is more expensive than the product delivered. This could be a loophole you have fallen into, but, you can be assured, your local power company will 'correct' this oversight very quickly. Hay, if you're paying 3.5 cents now and the actual cost is only 2 cents, you are being charged a markup of about 75%! You might not mind but what about the companies that run electric arc furnaces... They would be screaming rape! > >Yup, 1/4 of the total bill for the actual power. A machine capable > >of delivering a kilowatt continuously for say a year would only > >be competitive if it's construction costs were < $300. Likely > >it would have to be under $100 for a real business. Factoring in > >the 3.5 cents retail vs what the Co. pays, and now we're talking > >maybe 25-50$. Although now I could probably go into business against > >the Co. at say 3 cents :^) Nahhh.... Consider, a standalone primary power generator is not adevice that is disposed of after a year. Nor is a 1 KW device practical unless you live on a boat or something like that. A household needs a bare minimum of 10 kW and the average household would need something that could handle a peak load of around 15 kW. Regardless, you do not throw away a primary power generator every year. I assume that you meant to refer to the pay back time. I wish I could find an investment that returned 100% interest annually. Generators are more in the category of appliances that measure their life expectancy in decades. Granted, you have to maintain them but overhauling them is much less expensive than replacing them (don't believe that Maytag repairman commercial). As for the cost, if you use 10 KW as a base size at a hardware cost of $300/KW (which you say approaches practicability) and multiply that by ten, you have a capitol outlay of $3000. If your annual electricity bill is $1000 you would enjoy a 33% return on investment! A company that could use 100% of it's output would have it's 100%. They might even do better. Larger devices will no doubt be available at a lower cost per KW. A big negative here is the government is going to want the tax revenues that it looses... wonder who they'll get that from? That's a guaranteed return of 33%. I have all I can do to get a less secure 10% on my tiny assets... I'd buy one in a heartbeat! If you have been watching the development of these technologies you may have noticed the fact that when all the exotic theory is set to the side, they are going to turn out to be very simple pieces of equipment (hardware). I think the hardware costs will very likely fall into that category. If you want to be the first one on your block you will pay a premium but I really don't think anyone is going to get a patient and 'lock' up the technology (cost wise). Once it comes out there will be no stopping it. The 'box' of knowledge will expand greatly and along with that wider perception will come a deluge of new technologies based on our expanded knowledge of physics of the. You could try to compete with a 'paper' company if you could buy the power wholesale but there might be a problem if the delivery cost of your low cost power was ten or eleven cents / KW. I believe in the Pacific Northwest where hydroelectric power is the norm power costs are minimal (around 3-3.5 cents) but that is in a geographically small area (buy some gas for your car in Oklahoma). You have to compare the total cost of energy you use to the total cost of energy you generate to arrive at a realistic figure. If you live in the Pacific Northwest then you may never have any concern over the cost of electricity but others whom have no access to 3.5 cent power are very interested. Especially those who live two miles from the power grid... ask them how much it costs to bring in power in addition to the cost of the power itself. > > > >This new policy is overall a good thing; but points out how difficult > >it will be to bring a "free" energy system to market and survive > >competition. > > I agree entirely. Centralized power is very convenient and we, most of us, havelived with that convenience all our lives. A free energy device will have to be very reliable and the capitol investment for the buyer will have to be quite small to entice customers to drop off the grid. If such a device is developed, it is not necessary for everyone in the country to have one... its very existence will put an automatic cap on what the commercial power companies can charge. They will no longer have a monopoly and will cease to exist if they if they fail to operate inefficiently or insist on excess profits. I believe there would be a massive switch to a free energy device the instant the economics weighed favorably toward that equipment. Money speaks... VERY loudly. Don't forget the intangibles involved, they will cause many to switch over immediately. Lastly, we do have to consider the long term availability of fuel. I'm not a radical environmentalist but two valid points they do make are fossil fuels are a finite resource and the large cities do suffer from poor quality air (in part due to our energy effluents). A steady evolution in power generation seems the most practical way to correct the situation. Power companies do have the advantage of the economies of scale in their favor. If we all bought diesel generators we would produce infinitely more pollution than the current power companies do. The reliability of power when generated at the point of use would degrade reliability... in spite of what some say, if you have millions of ill maintained generators running, power failures will increase by orders of magnitude not decrease. Given time, freeenergy devices will evolve into reliable sources of power. The sooner the better. > >KPN > > > >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, > >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop > >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. > > Right on! Dean From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 11:20:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16256; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:20:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:20:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:22:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199803041922.UAA11883@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Any news from Greg Watson ? Did he refund others ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id LAA16185 Resent-Message-ID: <"48vQt2.0.qz3.pbQ_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 18:02 03.03.1998 -0800,wrote: >Greg said he would sent my kit in May. > When did you speak with him the last time ? >I guess I will just wait and see. Okay, I just only want to see, how trustful he is. I don´t need the money, but I hate to wait this long, when everytime he says, it is only 2 weeks away ! Maybe he only has vapourware ? Why did he never publish any photos of his devices ? I called him today ,when it was 1:45 in the night at his place and I woke him up. He was still asleep on the phone , but he said he would send me email tommorow. We will see, if he will do it. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 11:30:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28044; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:29:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:27:43 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"BjmCp2.0.3s6.fkQ_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Question, Does a magnet(bar magnet) with a ferrite disk placed at each pole that is so large in diameter that no flux can be detected at the outer edge, mean that the flux circuit is open or does the flux take another path to complete the circuit from north to south? Note, the two disks do not touch each other and are seperated by an air gap that is the same distance as the bar magnet is long. It would look like two large flat plates seperated by a bar magnet placed in the center to space them apart. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 12:38:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06533; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:38:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:38:13 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:37:25 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (Butch) to form research and/or brain storming group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"Drf_f2.0.yb1.pkR_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In an effort reduce the space taken up by my brain storming ideas on the list, I would like to ask anyone who would like to exchange ideas with me in researching overunity devices with the focus on, but not limited too, magnetic fields, send me an email with your name and I will bulk mail my research direct. I received over 100 emails from people who wanted me to continue to post to the list, but a small number of people are starting to act just like the establishment that would not accept the free energy researchers in the past and because of that attitude the free energy list and others were started! I have not had any problem with the list manager of the free energy list, but I want to make it as easy on the list as possible as I though in the start that Ideas, questions, brainstorming, theories, and building test models, was what the different list's were all about. I was told that email could have an attachment under a certain size, but a member ask me to stop sending attachments and put my drawings on a web site, well I did and then he complained that I was using the list as a source to advertise my web site! Boy, talk about hard to please! My web site is nothing but a few drawings from my brainstorming so as not to load down the list! So anyone who would like to research overunity in a free form with no set way you go about it, with a promise I will not act like a cranky old woman, please email me. I have lost all original posts when my hard drive died, so I have to start all over again with my list of people. I will use back up in the future! I will use two web sites to post drawing and data, text ect.. This will free up the list of my brain storming, but I will continue to monitor the list for any interesting news and should my little group come up with any thing solid to report, make it available to the list. I repeat, you can use standard means scientists and engineers use or you can just brainstorm. It should be fun and productive. Thanks, Butch LaFonte HLafonte@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 12:39:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07039; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:39:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:39:52 -0800 Message-ID: <34FDBA65.5CDB@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 20:32:37 +0000 From: Duncan and Janette X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Any news from Greg Watson ? Did he refund others ? References: <199803032303.AAA12821@cache.hb.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-JQD22.0.kj1.MmR_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I'm just waiting. That is not to say I'm not getting fed up, but I still want a SMOT any SMOT, NOT a refund. Duncan Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi, > > I am still waiting to hear anything new from Greg Watson. > > Did anybody else had some contacts with him lately ? (via email or phone) > (during the last 3 weeks ) > > Did he refund to anybody else yet the SMOT kit money ? > > It seems he has not yet delivered anything from his > SMOT Kit orders, so I would suggest to everyone NOT to order > anymore, until the situation is clear, that he will > really ship anything. > > I have not heard anything from him regarding my refund request. > So I am very curious how others feel about this. > > Is he so much in trouble that he can not refund the money or > is his new company concept holding him from refunding or > shipping anything ? > > Please let me know your view. > > Thanks ! > > Regards, Stefan. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 13:19:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17489; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:19:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:19:11 -0800 From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:18:19 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com, egel@main.murray.net.au Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, HLafonte@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: About the Johnson's motor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"XfHHO3.0.AH4.CLS_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, You will find an interesting document about the Johnson's motor at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/johnmot.htm In this document, I have tried to understand better the principle claimed in this permanent magnetic motor. You will find a complete simulation with QuickField about this motor. All constructive comments are welcome..... I hope that this will interest you, Jean-Louis Naudin 03-04-98 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 15:02:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15092; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:02:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:02:36 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301bd47c1$4e2d6520$b15cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: attention Rick: capacitor experiments Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:58:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"zVfr5.0.ih3.BsT_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: Ulrich Ludemann >To: OrgonomyMail-List@lists.kz > >My intention in the moment is to find out wether orgone energy >influences the parameters of electronic components. In the moment I >am focussing on electrolytic capacitors. These capacitors in >principle consist of two layers, each of both is made of an >aluminium foil an isolator foil which is moist (water!!).These layer >are rolled up in spiral so that it is poosible that they form a >somefold ORAC. I observed that these capacitor, although short >circuited for hours and days built up a voltage in the low millivolt >range after removing the short circuit. The results are not easy to >interpret because there is a temperature dependency of this voltage. >But there is some evidence that this voltage depends of the wether, >too and is different when the capacitor is in my small 15-fold ORAC >or outside. But I must say in the moment there are no hard results. >Later on I will report. > >These capacitors have a structure similar to an ORAC and contain an >electrolyte with water. So they could be good candidates for some >basic research. The idea is to implement a cost effective and >easy-to-use orgone sensor. Maybe some of the readers are interested >in making similar experiments. I am curious about the results! > >Best regards > >Ulrich -- "It'll be just like 'The Wonder Years', only with giant snakes!" --H:TLJ, Yes Virginia, There Is a Hercules From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 18:18:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14808; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:18:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:18:16 -0800 Message-ID: <30E7725C.508178D6@dcache.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 00:34:20 -0500 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <00d301bd47c1$4e2d6520$b15cadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9ATVa.0.Gd3.cjW_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > > >From: Ulrich Ludemann > >To: OrgonomyMail-List@lists.kz > > > >My intention in the moment is to find out wether orgone energy > >influences the parameters of electronic components. -snip- > > > >These capacitors have a structure similar to an ORAC and contain an > >electrolyte with water. So they could be good candidates for some > >basic research. The idea is to implement a cost effective and > >easy-to-use orgone sensor. Maybe some of the readers are interested > >in making similar experiments. I am curious about the results! > > > >Best regards > > > >Ulrich > > -- > "It'll be just like 'The Wonder Years', only with giant snakes!" > --H:TLJ, Yes Virginia, There Is a Hercules OK I will bite. What is an ORAC? Is there somewhere to obtain information about it? What was the intended function? Energy storage or redirection? Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 18:36:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19562; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:36:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:36:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980304222124.00562d00@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:21:28 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The cost of power... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iobqH2.0.Dn4._-W_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 04:57 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >Dear Keith, > >Wow! At those prices you can stay in the dark ages of utility dependency >for the rest of your life. I at least now have a more clear understanding >of you perspective on Science in General. > >Originally I found it hard to understand that when I spoke of a new >understanding how Hydroxy reactions could offer a new insight of how matter >and energy inter relate. Or, how unexpressed potential energy, held in the >Hydroxyl suspension, could manifest as heat, neutrality, vacuum, light, >electrical motive force, ultra violet, infrared, and counter gravity, you >only wanted to know how many "kWh" it took to make it. > >So, now I am wondering, if they find the suspected 10th planet, will you >ask them how many "kWh" it took. Or, when they found submarine red tipped >worms, that grew twice as long under the ice at the North Pole, would you >seek that they do it for less than 3.5 cents per "kWh" multiplied by 12 >hours, per day, over the two years of the term of the project = 3,066 >dollars, US, Grenache Mean Time, "adjusted for projected inflation"? > >But yes, I can see your point, at these reduced prices, all scientific >investigation should be abandoned. No! Better yet, why don't we make >anyone caught experimenting, be forced to pay society a rebate on their >electric bill. If each person who is foolish to try to look at the >universe in a new way were forced to pay a surcharge, for wasting air, we >could divert the funds right to your electric bill. In time you could >actually be expecting a rebate each month. Wow! True FREE energy. > >My only remaining thought is "How are we so luck to be graced with you >presence"? (Smile) > >Love > >TR Knudtson >A very impractical man! > Ahem: It surprises me that the point of the post was so lost on you TR. I was simply pointing out that, in order to market and successfully take an alternative energy technology out of the lab and into the real world ( a goal I !think! we all share ) that we will have to both face and address this problem. I was fishing for discussion on this topic. Why? You should do some research in the field of discussion of this listserv. Many technologies have been developed which present viable roads to alternative energy. Some of these are real. Let that sink in for a moment. None so far are used by Joe Public. Why? Ultimately, we need some real capital to start a business to sell a device. So we go to investors and we present them a plan. And they say; will it make us money? And we say, well...no, but it will help the environment etc etc. And they say, ok, sounds great, best of luck... How do I know this? Well, I and an associate started a not for profit foundation about 6 years ago as a source of funding for the research we we doing. We did this as a response to the aforementioned problem. My associate knew lots of very well connected people. And we thought, well even if people don't give a damn about investing in alternative energy research, they might contribute as a tax write-off. Guess what? They didn't. Oh yeah, everyone paid lip service to this great thing we were doing. But when it came down to brass tacks, the only thing which motivated people was money. Hence my interest in the response of the list. I am a very practical man TR. I want to see people use alternative energy technology. I know what needs to happen to make that a reality. I now no longer work for the not for profit, although I still consult. There are many paths to the goal...I now follow another. Until last month, it was very difficult to sell power to people, despite laws passed to force the power Co's to buy power back from consumers if they could provide it. It has now become a practical reality. I can now start a power company, and if I could produce the power for less than 3.5 cents per kw-hr, actually have people cooking their food, heating their homes, and generally living with alternative energy. Without their having to buy the machine to produce the power. I thought others might be excited by this development. Perhaps I am alone in this... By the way, I found your response most interesting. You seemed to take great personal offense at this post, which really was not addressed to you or referring to the technology you seem interested in. Why is that? It is quite easy to make personal attacks through this medium. My answer to the above attack is as follows. Two other list members have asked you pointed technical questions about direct claims you have made concerning your technology. If you wish, I can repost those questions. If you do not wish to answer such questions, that is certainly your prerogative. I will stop asking them. And if what I am trying to discuss with the rest of the list makes you feel bad or want to insult me, then press the delete key and move on. KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 20:08:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16272; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:08:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:08:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980304235230.00573510@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:52:33 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The cost of power... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7U-UK2.0.6-3.fKY_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:07 PM 3/2/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >trknute@earthlink.net wrote: No, knagel@cnct.com wrote the following. > >> At 09:50 PM 3/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >Hello All: >> > >> >My local power co. has started a new program; where power can be >> >purchased from several competing companies. Previously, I mentioned >> >the premium rate I was paying for power, 13.5 cents per kilowatt-hour. >> >So I was delighted to hear about this. Now, I'm looking at the bill, >> >and the deal is as follows. The power is purchased seperately from >> >the delivery. The Co. of course will still be delivering it to me; >> >so they will now quote me a price seperate from this service. >> > >> >That price is 3.5 cents... >> > > > Hmmm... I can understand your excitement over power at 'give-away' >priceshowever, I see a probable 'gotcha' there. > > If you are in fact now consuming power for a cost of 3.5 cents/KW enjoy it >while it lasts (it wont last for long... loopholes like that are quickly >closed). >In pointing out the cost disparity, you may have mixed apples and oranges. >You said you were paying 13.5 cents until you switched companies. Was that >13.5 cents your total cost (delivered) or was it just for the electricity? > Sorry about the confusion. I still pay 13.5 cents, but now my bill has two part, the 10 cent cost of delivery plus the 3.5 cent cost of the power. No apples and oranges, just wanted to look at the real cost of the power versus the distribution costs. > Some years ago when laws were passed requiring the power companies to >purchase power generated by their customers this 'value of power' was >thrashed around. The results were the companies would pay 'avoided cost' for >this power, that is, they would credit the generator of this power the >equivalent >cost of the fuel the power company didn't have to burn to generate it. This >seems to >have averaged out to around 2 cents / kWh. The inferred message here is that it >is the infrastructure that is the primary expense. To maintain the 'delivery' >service is more >expensive than the product delivered. This could be a loophole you have fallen >into, >but, you can be assured, your local power company will 'correct' this oversight >very >quickly. Hay, if you're paying 3.5 cents now and the actual cost is only 2 >cents, you >are being charged a markup of about 75%! You might not mind but what about the >companies that run electric arc furnaces... They would be screaming rape! > Yes, think about maintaining all that copper... >> >Yup, 1/4 of the total bill for the actual power. A machine capable >> >of delivering a kilowatt continuously for say a year would only >> >be competitive if it's construction costs were < $300. Likely >> >it would have to be under $100 for a real business. Factoring in >> >the 3.5 cents retail vs what the Co. pays, and now we're talking >> >maybe 25-50$. Although now I could probably go into business against >> >the Co. at say 3 cents :^) > > Nahhh.... Consider, a standalone primary power generator is not adevice >that is disposed of after a year. Nor is a 1 KW device practical >unless you live on a boat or something like that. A household needs a >bare minimum of 10 kW and the average household would need something >that could handle a peak load of around 15 kW. Regardless, you do not >throw away a primary power generator every year. I assume that you >meant to refer to the pay back time. I wish I could find an investment that >returned 100% interest annually. Generators are more in the category >of appliances that measure their life expectancy in decades. Granted, you >have to maintain them but overhauling them is much less expensive >than replacing them (don't believe that Maytag repairman commercial). >As for the cost, if you use 10 KW as a base size at a hardware cost of >$300/KW (which you say approaches practicability) and multiply that >by ten, you have a capitol outlay of $3000. If your annual electricity bill >is $1000 you would enjoy a 33% return on investment! A company that >could use 100% of it's output would have it's 100%. They might even do >better. Larger devices will no doubt be available at a lower cost per KW. > Well, I'm talking about the producer, not the consumer. The generator will want to be much cheaper to produce than the $3000 figure, to cover all the other costs related to selling and distributing the product. You're right though, my numbers are likely too stingy. But I was trying to illustrate the following... Now I can become my own power company, sell directly to the consumer over existing power lines, and only have to maintain the site. No big product manufacturing facility, etc, etc. This is a real venue for Alternative Energy. Everyone seems to be focused on mass marketing a machine. Start thinking about creating your own power Co! Far cheaper in the long run, and much easier to iron out the bugs when all the hardware is "in house". I know this is not a new idea, just that now it has become possible to actually do it! > A big negative here is the government is going to want the tax revenues >that >it looses... wonder who they'll get that from? > > That's a guaranteed return of 33%. I have all I can do to get a less secure > >10% on my tiny assets... I'd buy one in a heartbeat! If you have been watching >the development of these technologies you may have noticed the fact that >when all the exotic theory is set to the side, they are going to turn out to be > >very simple pieces of equipment (hardware). I think the hardware costs >will very likely fall into that category. If you want to be the first one on >your >block you will pay a premium but I really don't think anyone is going to get >a patient and 'lock' up the technology (cost wise). Once it comes out there >will be no stopping it. The 'box' of knowledge will expand greatly and >along with that wider perception will come a deluge of new technologies based >on our expanded knowledge of physics of the. > > You could try to compete with a 'paper' company if you could buy the >power wholesale but there might be a problem if the delivery cost of your >low cost power was ten or eleven cents / KW. > > I believe in the Pacific Northwest where hydroelectric power is the norm >power costs are minimal (around 3-3.5 cents) but that is in a geographically >small area (buy some gas for your car in Oklahoma). You have to compare >the total cost of energy you use to the total cost of energy you generate to >arrive at a realistic figure. If you live in the Pacific Northwest then you may > >never have any concern over the cost of electricity but others whom have no >access to 3.5 cent power are very interested. Especially those who live two >miles from the power grid... ask them how much it costs to bring in power >in addition to the cost of the power itself. Yes. Plenty of technologies exist at present to service folks far from the grid. And it cost a whooping amount of money to bring the grid to them, so it makes sense to use them, even at the outlandish expense for the solar cells, etc. But this represents a small percentage of the world. The wars over oil in the middle east aren't going to stop based on this minority. Neither will the air begin to clear. > >> > >> >This new policy is overall a good thing; but points out how difficult >> >it will be to bring a "free" energy system to market and survive >> >competition. >> > > > I agree entirely. Centralized power is very convenient and we, most of us, >havelived with that convenience all our lives. A free energy device will have >to be >very reliable and the capitol investment for the buyer will have to be quite >small >to entice customers to drop off the grid. > > If such a device is developed, it is not necessary for everyone in the >country to >have one... its very existence will put an automatic cap on what the commercial > >power companies can charge. They will no longer have a monopoly and will cease >to exist if they if they fail to operate inefficiently or insist on excess >profits. I believe >there would be a massive switch to a free energy device the instant the >economics >weighed favorably toward that equipment. Money speaks... VERY loudly. Don't >forget the intangibles involved, they will cause many to switch over >immediately. I agree. If you can undercut by even a few percent people will actually use it. The point I wanted to make in the original post was that the real cost to the Alternative Energy producer would have to be mighty low to manufacture primary generators for personal use. The situation on the ground has now changed... > >Lastly, we do have to consider the long term availability of fuel. I'm not a >radical >environmentalist but two valid points they do make are fossil fuels are a >finite resource and the large cities do suffer from poor quality air (in part >due to >our energy effluents). > >A steady evolution in power generation seems the most practical way to correct >the >situation. Power companies do have the advantage of the economies of scale in >their favor. If we all bought diesel generators we would produce infinitely >more >pollution than the current power companies do. The reliability of power when >generated at the point of use would degrade reliability... in spite of what >some say, >if you have millions of ill maintained generators running, power failures will >increase by orders of magnitude not decrease. Given time, freeenergy devices >will evolve into reliable sources of power. The sooner the better. Hence, my excitement at the thought of Alternative Energy being sold to the consumer from a central power plant. Funny, the thinking was similar to Edisons where he imagined many small DC power plants. Of course, his major problem was efficient delivery. Your point about the maintenance problems of many small generators is right on the nose. I can finally see a way clear past all the problems associated with mass producing small AE generators. Lets move the dicussion in this direction. How does one go about selling power to the Grid? > >> >KPN >> > >> >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, >> >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop >> >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. >> > > > Right on! > > Dean Ya gotta love the guy. He brought power and light to the world. If Morgan hadn't pooped out at the critical point, power might be available everywhere without a grid at all. By the way, for those not knowing this story, it was understood that Morgan backed out over concerns that the power would be impossible to regulate ( his quote reportedly being, "do you mean anyone with an antenna can milk my cow!" ) Funny how people seem to be influenced by money :^) KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 20:35:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00746; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:34:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:34:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:33:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803050433.UAA08089@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Minato Update 3/98 Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"6toRF.0.RB.djY_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here is an 3/4/98 update on Kohei Minato's over-unity permanent magnet inventions from his USA sales representative's Bob Vermillion and John Kenworthy [polenetic@aol.com]. Mr. Minato demonstrated at the Japanese "Energy Expo '98" his large unit, (4) connected 10 foot long units that can power 30 homes, and several smaller table top units, . CNN, NHK and other TV networks took video's of his devices, and of the whole Expo, but he did not know when it was re-broadcasted. Minato's staff had their own video on for the four day event and Bob is making copies of a typical single day video coverage. There were not any instruments connected to the large unit to measure energy input to output but his table top unit was connected and it showed 48 Watts input to 550 Watts output. Minato's demonstration attracted a lot of public attention by the large daily crowds and also from a number of interested Japanese corporations. Bob said he received all of your e-mail's and took them back with him to Japan and gave a copy to Mr. Minato and his staff to show the interest here in the USA and the world. He has not replied to all of your e-mail's due to there is nothing to report about just yet and he will answer all of your e-mail's when he has at least a demonstration unit to show. They are still waiting for a table top power demonstration unit for their Los Angeles office but the Japanese engineer's want to perfect it first. Bob is looking forward to receiving a magnetic "bicycle wheel" unit in April and interested parties can then schedule an appointment to see the wheel spinning by itself without any energy input! :-) Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 20:42:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27846; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:41:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:41:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:45:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803050345.TAA06995@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Minato Update 3/98 Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ehAOZ2.0.fo6.6qY_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here is an 3/4/98 update on Kohei Minato's over-unity permanent magnet inventions from his USA sales representative's Bob Vermillion and John Kenworthy [polenetic@aol.com]. Mr. Minato demonstrated at the Japanese "Energy Expo '98" his large unit, (4) connected 10 foot long units that can power 30 homes, and several smaller table top units, . CNN, NHK and other TV networks took video's of his devices, and of the whole Expo, but he did not know when it was re-broadcasted. Minato's staff had their own video on for the four day event and Bob is making copies of a typical single day video coverage. There were not any instruments connected to the large unit to measure energy input to output but his table top unit was connected and it showed 48 Watts input to 550 Watts output. Minato's demonstration attracted a lot of public attention by the large daily crowds and also from a number of interested Japanese corporations. Bob said he received all of your e-mail's and took them back with him to Japan and gave a copy to Mr. Minato and his staff to show the interest here in the USA and the world. He has not replied to all of your e-mail's due to there is nothing to report about just yet and he will answer all of your e-mail's when he has at least a demonstration unit to show. They are still waiting for a table top power demonstration unit for their Los Angeles office but the Japanese engineer's want to perfect it first. Bob is looking forward to receiving a magnetic "bicycle wheel" unit in April and interested parties can then schedule an appointment to see the wheel spinning by itself without any energy input! :-) Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 21:26:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05348; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:25:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:25:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:25:41 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: The cost of power... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980304222124.00562d00@cnct.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7abtX.0.OJ1.TTZ_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > I am a very practical man TR. I want to see people use > alternative energy technology. I know what needs to > happen to make that a reality. I now no longer work > for the not for profit, although I still consult. There > are many paths to the goal...I now follow another. > > > KPN > So who IS John Galt? :-) Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 23:23:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23887; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:23:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:23:02 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303005418.007b87a0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:54:18 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The cost of power... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980304222124.00562d00@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6Ymsr.0.6r5.JBb_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:21 PM 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:57 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>Dear Keith, >> >>Wow! At those prices you can stay in the dark ages of utility dependency >>for the rest of your life. I at least now have a more clear understanding >>of you perspective on Science in General. >> >>Originally I found it hard to understand that when I spoke of a new >>understanding how Hydroxy reactions could offer a new insight of how matter >>and energy inter relate. Or, how unexpressed potential energy, held in the >>Hydroxyl suspension, could manifest as heat, neutrality, vacuum, light, >>electrical motive force, ultra violet, infrared, and counter gravity, you >>only wanted to know how many "kWh" it took to make it. >> >>So, now I am wondering, if they find the suspected 10th planet, will you >>ask them how many "kWh" it took. Or, when they found submarine red tipped >>worms, that grew twice as long under the ice at the North Pole, would you >>seek that they do it for less than 3.5 cents per "kWh" multiplied by 12 >>hours, per day, over the two years of the term of the project = 3,066 >>dollars, US, Grenache Mean Time, "adjusted for projected inflation"? >> >>But yes, I can see your point, at these reduced prices, all scientific >>investigation should be abandoned. No! Better yet, why don't we make >>anyone caught experimenting, be forced to pay society a rebate on their >>electric bill. If each person who is foolish to try to look at the >>universe in a new way were forced to pay a surcharge, for wasting air, we >>could divert the funds right to your electric bill. In time you could >>actually be expecting a rebate each month. Wow! True FREE energy. >> >>My only remaining thought is "How are we so luck to be graced with you >>presence"? (Smile) >> >>Love >> >>TR Knudtson >>A very impractical man! >> > >Ahem: > >It surprises me that the point of the post was so lost on you TR. > >I was simply pointing out that, in order to market and successfully >take an alternative energy technology out of the lab and into >the real world ( a goal I !think! we all share ) that we will >have to both face and address this problem. I was fishing for >discussion on this topic. Why? You should do some research in >the field of discussion of this listserv. Many technologies have >been developed which present viable roads to alternative energy. >Some of these are real. > >Let that sink in for a moment. > >None so far are used by Joe Public. Why? > >Ultimately, we need some real capital to start >a business to sell a device. So we go to investors and we >present them a plan. And they say; will it make us money? And >we say, well...no, but it will help the environment etc etc. >And they say, ok, sounds great, best of luck... > >How do I know this? Well, I and an associate started a >not for profit foundation about 6 years ago as a source >of funding for the research we we doing. We did this as >a response to the aforementioned problem. My associate >knew lots of very well connected people. And we thought, >well even if people don't give a damn about investing >in alternative energy research, they might contribute as >a tax write-off. > >Guess what? > >They didn't. > >Oh yeah, everyone paid lip service to this great thing >we were doing. But when it came down to brass tacks, >the only thing which motivated people was money. > >Hence my interest in the response of the list. > >I am a very practical man TR. I want to see people use >alternative energy technology. I know what needs to >happen to make that a reality. I now no longer work >for the not for profit, although I still consult. There >are many paths to the goal...I now follow another. > >Until last month, it was very difficult to sell power to >people, despite laws passed to force the power Co's to >buy power back from consumers if they could provide it. >It has now become a practical reality. I can now start >a power company, and if I could produce the power for less than >3.5 cents per kw-hr, actually have people cooking their food, >heating their homes, and generally living with alternative >energy. Without their having to buy the machine to produce >the power. I thought others might be excited by this development. >Perhaps I am alone in this... > >By the way, I found your response most interesting. You >seemed to take great personal offense at this post, which >really was not addressed to you or referring to the technology >you seem interested in. Why is that? > >It is quite easy to >make personal attacks through this medium. My answer to >the above attack is as follows. Two other list members >have asked you pointed technical questions about direct claims >you have made concerning your technology. If you wish, I can repost >those questions. If you do not wish to answer such questions, >that is certainly your prerogative. I will stop asking them. >And if what I am trying to discuss with the rest of the list makes >you feel bad or want to insult me, then press the delete key >and move on. > > >KPN > Dear Keith, As you know I have been working with hydrogen for some thirty years now. My insights into the Hydroxy reaction of which I am shearing with your this group are of technologies that have expired their patents some 25 years ago. In a few of my posts, I have spoken of what this examination of an energy suspension system has let me see about matter and energy relationships as a whole. In another post I have offered that there is a simple way for others to see the significance of this research by doing an advanced search of "Alta Vista", and just entering the word "Hydroxy". The return of the search will yield over 5,000 hits in Biochemistry, metallurgy, chemical structures, enzyme research, hemoglobin, protein structures, collagen, side linking and primary structures of DNA, RNA cellular division, Neuro-Microbiology, and all of these are no random function of a similarity of terms. To review the results at random, but carefully reading at least a few, you will quickly see that the Hydroxyl Reaction, is the most germane structural interface of charge to electron adhesion. In short, "IT IS HOW ALL LIFE FUNCTIONS". Now, you have asked me very little about what I am doing presently. I did not mention the "Red Tipped" deep ocean Worms, that have been discovered living on with no light, near thermal vents at the bottom of the oceans. This form of life has evolved in such a way to use direct conversion of heat energy into metabolic energy suspension. I.e. Bonding the Hydrogen atom directly to Carbon with only thermal exchange. This means that biologically, life has found a way to take nutrient materials and make sugar directly from the energy of only heat, thermal exchange. As you and I got tangled in that senseless debate over the cost of power. I must admit that my frustration at trying to examine a counterfeit, inflated, and needlessly exorbitant pricing of solar cells got the best of me. Few scientists have even seen the Hydroxy reaction, in real time let alone examined it and all of it's ramifications, to a varied list of scientific disciplines. The list that you will get when you check 'Alta Vista" is only the ordering of the "tell tails" of this reaction. They know it is there, because of the resulting bond, the production of ordered water, and a relatively high monoploe electric discharge. At each and every site you will here statements like "the Hydroxy reaction is surely present but to date the inner workings of this electrochemical event is still not clearly understood". This is the state of micro biophysics today. They simply have never seen this reaction or been able to study it. They don't know how to make it, or how to examine the effects at point of discharge. Some say it is contractive, (Implosive, as in the contraction of muscle tissue), some see it as expansive, (explosive, as in the generation of metabolic heat), some see it as both, (As in the intera-neron firings of the brain), when in actuality it can manifest as all of these reactions dependent on the subordinate chemical structured at time of discharge. As you know I am retired, but I have not stopped my work, although my body will not allow me to work the hours I once did. I am constructing a small complex of buildings to house a new research effort. We are calling the project BIO-GEN. It is a "for profit" R&D Facility. Its purpose is to integrate the specialty proofed, sub-systems into a comprehensive integrated solution for an independent home, and hyper intensive agrarian food sourcing, a concept we call 'Eco-cycle Agriculture". The goal is an integrated solution to housing, energy and food sourcing that is in expensive, obtainable, and easy to construct. Why I am angry with your attitude? The fact that you have never traveled more, than ten miles, from any large City, is most evident in your arguments. The simple fact is that more then 75% of all people living on this planet, have no running water, indoor plumbing, and DO LIVE, more than 40 miles from what we might loosely call a power grid. They freeze, starve, and often die of diseases that can are directly attributed to poor drinking water. For profit, usually means that you must identify and serve a particular market. I like the idea that I have found a 12 Billion person, constituent market share. Small girls in Madagascar, travel as many as 20 miles to just find a few remaining sticks to use for the families cooking fuel. Madagascar today is 70% replete of it's natural forestation. Today in Korea, the city "Charcoal", cube factory, is still the primary source of all home heating and cooking fuels. In the Philippines, the three stone, open hearth, dried mud cooking slab, is where 90% of all meals are prepared. This year alone 1,300,000 will die due to "malnutrition" related deaths, and yes this includes starvation. Diseases from impure drinking water, include, Cholera, Diphtheria, Dysentery, Microbial infestations, and a raft of others. I might point out that the poor combustion of low grade cooking fuels harms the atmosphere more each day, than all the factories and cars on earth. The levels of NOX and Carbon-dioxide from these some, 5 Billion cooking fires, three times per day, yields and estimated 25 BILLION pounds of polluting compounds into the air each day. So, yes, I work on alternative solutions. Am I saying that I can take cure of all of these ills? NO! But, I can do more that sit back and compare notes with others, that have no understanding of the true challenges that face this world. This is not a grandiose assertion, but rather a commitment to do what ever I can to further this research. As far as my not understanding your point. I have long ago stooped working to design, or educate, or help those who are to self absorbed, or egocentric in their views, as to think that the entire universe looks the same as the view from their own back yard. Love TR Knudtson P.S. No offence to the post just to the attitude. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 4 23:36:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA31126; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:35:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:35:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803050735.XAA12475@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Resent-Message-ID: <"PiLdF3.0.9c7.1Nb_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:27 PM 3/4/98 EST, you wrote: >Question, >Does a magnet(bar magnet) with a ferrite disk placed at each pole that is so >large in diameter that no flux can be detected at the outer edge, mean that >the flux circuit is open or does the flux take another path to complete the >circuit from north to south? Note, the two disks do not touch each other and >are seperated by an air gap that is the same distance as the bar magnet is >long. It would look like two large flat plates seperated by a bar magnet >placed in the center to space them apart. >Thanks, >Butch > The flux that entered the disks would just go through the surfaces facing each other to form a loop with the magnet. I would guess the disks would have to be very large to have no fringing fields left at the edges. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 01:35:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15446; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:35:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:35:17 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <30E7725C.508178D6@dcache.net> References: <00d301bd47c1$4e2d6520$b15cadd1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:35:10 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments Resent-Message-ID: <"KtD0w1.0.Dn3.J7d_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jim - I think an ORAC is an "orgone accumulator". Orgone accumulators are layered boxes invented by Wilhelm Reich and are supposed to accumulate some sort of organic energy he called orgone. There's been quite a bit of interest and research by the "fringe" (people like me!) on this stuff over the years. Web search on his name to get some sites to explain it all. There seems to be enough 'results' kicking around this stuff to warrant some real effort. I'm thinking of shaped capacitors like pyramids, golden section rectangles, "ark" duplications, etc., different materials as in "orgone" box construction etc. might be worthwhile to try. But first things first - I still have to get set up with a good flat temperature on the detector and see if the charging waves tracking the daily outside temperature are still there. Kinda busy with that stupid "real world" right now, though. Someday soon... I'm gratified to see some continuing interest in this; thanks to all who are keeping their ear to the ground for related information and for posting hints, ideas, questions, etc. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 03:57:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA30204; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:57:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:57:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: tom X-Sender: geotek@bingsun1 Reply-To: tom To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Gravity/weight loss article! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NrdWP1.0.rN7.sCf_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings! Check out the latest issue of or "WIRED" magazine for an interesting Gravity/weight Loss article! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 05:18:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20148; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:18:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:18:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:18:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199803051318.OAA09179@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Calling Greg Watson again ! Resent-Message-ID: <"5a0gi3.0.jw4.OOg_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, everybody who has ordered a SMOT kit and already paid for it should call Greg Watson and ask, when he will deliver it. He did not return my call. He also wispered something, that he has not got a real Internet ready PC in this moment, so he could not access the Internet... Hmm, I wonder why... Here is his phone number: ++61 88 270 27 37 from the USA it is 011 61 88 270 27 37 Please let me know, what he will tell you. When I called him it was already late in the night and I woke him up, so he was too tired to tell me anything real... Please let me know. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 06:35:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18044; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:35:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19980305143549.12348.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:35:49 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments To: monteverde@worldnet.att.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"VXEuK2.0.mP4.bWh_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > There seems to be enough 'results' kicking around this stuff to warrant > some real effort. I'm thinking of shaped capacitors like pyramids, golden > section rectangles, "ark" duplications, etc., different materials as in > "orgone" box construction etc. might be worthwhile to try. > Hello Rick/All, Your refs to shapes brings up a question. Have you looked at Dan Davidson's "Shape Power" book? I've not ordered it yet [and can't find it anywhere locally], but am wondering if any others have read it. He has an article on the WWW somewhere that seemed to outline the fact that pyramids [and probably other platonic solids] had some unusual interactions with energy. I think he could be onto something....Think about light and a crystal.....it definately interacts with that wavelegth of energy in some interesting ways. What about other energies? [ie - acoustic, scalar, gravity...] If anyone has read the "Shape Power" book please let me know -- If not I'll let you know when I order it....and if it has anything remotely relevant I'll post to the list. Know what you mean about that pesky life thing getting in the way of research :) All for now, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 08:11:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12800; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:02:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael W. Kiser" To: Subject: MINATO PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:00:10 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd484f$c660f0a0$411bc1cf@mkiser.swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD481D.7BC680A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mDsYr2.0.w73.Voi_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD481D.7BC680A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those new to the list, there is a brief description of Kohei = Minato's patented overunity permanent magnet motor at the following web = site: http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html =20 There are also some photographs of his different models at: =20 http://japan.co.jp/stag/minutes/970605.html =20 If anyone has further information please post to the freenrg list. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD481D.7BC680A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD481D.7BC680A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 08:34:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06878; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:19:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:19:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:19:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803051619.IAA01376@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: MINATO PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR Resent-Message-ID: <"5hyXS3.0.Jh1.22j_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:00 AM 3/5/98 -0600, mkiser@swbell.net wrote: >For those new to the list, there is a brief description of Kohei Minato's patented overunity permanent magnet motor at the following web site: > >http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html > >There are also some photographs of his different models at: > >http://japan.co.jp/stag/minutes/970605.html > >If anyone has further information please post to the freenrg list. There is also the Keelynet files at: http://keelynet.com/gravity/curtis0.htm Minato Index http://keelynet.com/gravity/curtis3.htm Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 10:36:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00327; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:54:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:54:10 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:52:02 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: <"ij7oT1.0._4.zQk_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 3/5/98 1:36:38 AM Central Standard Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > I would guess the disks would > have to be very large to have no fringing fields left at the edges. Dave, I have always thought it very interesting that flux paths HAD to be closed circuits. Does this strike you the same? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 11:07:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10513; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:52:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:52:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FEF31B.536@online.no> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:46:51 +0100 From: Frank Roed X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MINATO PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR References: <199803051619.IAA01376@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gnFV41.0.Aa2.PHl_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi.. Would someone post the list, when Minato's motor review is scheduled on CNN, so we can record the event. Thank's Frank R Michael Randall wrote: > > At 10:00 AM 3/5/98 -0600, mkiser@swbell.net wrote: > >For those new to the list, there is a brief description of Kohei Minato's > patented overunity permanent magnet motor at the following web site: > > > >http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html > > > >There are also some photographs of his different models at: > > > >http://japan.co.jp/stag/minutes/970605.html > > > >If anyone has further information please post to the freenrg list. > > There is also the Keelynet files at: > > http://keelynet.com/gravity/curtis0.htm Minato Index > http://keelynet.com/gravity/curtis3.htm > > Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 11:55:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18037; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:40:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:40:48 -0800 From: Ro Conroy Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:40:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"_PGmC.0.iP4.z-l_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-05 09:41:01 EST, Anton you wrote: << Your refs to shapes brings up a question. Have you looked at Dan Davidson's "Shape Power" book? I've not ordered it yet [and can't find it anywhere locally], but am wondering if any others have read it. He has an article on the WWW somewhere that seemed to outline the fact that pyramids [and probably other platonic solids] had some unusual interactions with energy. I think he could be onto something....Think about light and a crystal.....it definately interacts with that wavelegth of energy in some interesting ways. What about other energies? [ie - acoustic, scalar, gravity...] >> I have built several modified icosidodecahedrons domes, Archimedean solid, the base compound of both the Platonic icosahedron and dodecahedron, and there is a physical sensation felt at the center point of the structures. The main chord length of the structures is one unit if the radius is Tau units, or the golden section, otherwise known as the mean proportion. The thought crossed my mind that it is simply concentrating the natural generated frequency of the earth, and that that concentrated frequency is being picked up by the the senses of the brain which are tuned to work at the same frequency. If you rediscover the Davidson related WWW site you are referring to, please let me know. Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 12:39:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26065; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:26:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:26:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:23:38 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: coal_man FIRE/elect. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980303005418.007b87a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2nSD_2.0.6N6.5gm_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com (off topic?) On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 trknute@earthlink.net wrote: -SNIP- > The fact that you have never traveled more, than ten miles, from any large > City, is most evident in your arguments. The simple fact is that more then > 75% of all people living on this planet, have no running water, indoor > plumbing, and DO LIVE, more than 40 miles from what we might loosely call a > power grid. They freeze, starve, and often die of diseases that can are > directly attributed to poor drinking water. -snip- Does anyone have a sugestion for one of the 'better' ways to convert fire to electricity. In the summer-times here I find myself 40-60 miles from any grid for months on end. Old Man Coleman Latern is really pushed to the limits. There is coal in northern colorado but little WATER. I had made a little steam generator to set on a campfire, but this replenshing of it's kettle water was at best no good. ----- would two plates (metal) in/under a camp-fire prove workable? hotter the fire .. brighter the light? ----- or tub_ular fire container? ----- chimney flue with paddle-wheel near top? ----- thoughts? rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( Just fire-side thinking (smile) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 14:31:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13772; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980305220515.27047.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Dan Davidson Links To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"hBF_I3.0.4N3.PEo_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4065 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---Ro Conroy wrote: > > I have built several modified icosidodecahedrons domes, Archimedean solid, the > base compound of both the Platonic icosahedron and dodecahedron, and there is > a physical sensation felt at the center point of the structures. The main > chord length of the structures is one unit if the radius is Tau units, or the > golden section, otherwise known as the mean proportion. The thought crossed > my mind that it is simply concentrating the natural generated frequency of the > earth, and that that concentrated frequency is being picked up by the the > senses of the brain which are tuned to work at the same frequency. Please send me more info -- sounds interesting. Where did you get your ideas/info, and how large are your structures? Would like to experiment. > If you rediscover the Davidson related WWW site you are referring to, Here's the links I have: http://www.keelynet.com/davidson/npap1.htm Book intro and more Davidson info http://www.keelynet.com/shape.htm Hope it helps. Thanks for the info. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 14:40:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14699; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:19:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <44af567e.34ff2453@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:16:49 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: <"nyRwe.0.bb3.TJo_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4066 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 3/5/98 2:37:12 PM Central Standard Time, ekwall2@diac.com writes: > rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( > > Just fire-side thinking (smile) Steve, The most amazing conversion of heat to power I have ever seen (low budget) is this, After the US forces pulled out of Vietnam, the people there found that they we stuck with no source of fuel for their car, bus, truck, ect.. They took a steel drum and burned coal, wood, any type of fuel "organic" in nature. From these fuels, a gas or gases would be a by-product and to my amazement they would some way, run a car, bus, truck, any internal combustion engine (gasoline) powered device. I will research more for you if you want on this. If you could get an used 4 cylinder or 8 cylinder and connect it to an AC generator, you could power the whole country side! All you would need for fuel is, coal, wood, compost, ect. Do you want me to research this, as I saw it on the network news years ago and I like to think I could dig up the info. It showed a bus and a guy putting wood in the hopper and the bus just took off like it had 100 octane in it. Let me know. Butch LaFonte Note: You could also use only a 1 cylinder lawnmower type engine if wanted. You might want to think about starting your own power company! (just kidding) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 14:48:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28269; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:43:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:43:02 -0800 Message-ID: <34FF27D5.6109@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:31:49 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ezqn2.0.Qv6.nfo_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A simple experiment: Take a plate of aluminum, solder it to a plate of nickel. Than heat it with a bunsen burner or a candall and then mesure the voltage. then comes the interesting part: put a ceramic magnet on the the nickel plate and mesure the voltage again. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 14:58:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18225; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:38:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:38:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD4854.AB8F7440@pm3-137.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-L@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: New Gravity/weight loss article! Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:35:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ahg-o.0.hS4.Wbo_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- From: tom[SMTP:geotek@binghamton.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 5:57 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Gravity/weight loss article! >Greetings! > Check out the latest issue of or "WIRED" magazine for an interesting >Gravity/weight Loss article! Well, could you summarize it on the list? Not all of us get WIRED. I would appreciate it. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 15:15:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24674; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:10:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:10:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FF2E13.426C@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:58:27 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The cost of power... References: <3.0.5.32.19980303005418.007b87a0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OwWGG3.0.S16.04p_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I did not mention the "Red Tipped" deep ocean Worms, that have been >discovered living on with no light, near thermal vents at the bottom of >the >oceans. This form of life has evolved in such a way to use direct >conversion of heat energy into metabolic energy suspension. I.e. >Bonding >the Hydrogen atom directly to Carbon with only thermal exchange. This >means that biologically, life has found a way to take nutrient >materials >and make sugar directly from the energy of only heat, thermal exchange I think there is another variant of underwater life: I read that instead of using oxygen, they used sulfur that came from the vents, maybe they make their sugar with the heat and then burn it with sulfur. Anyway, very interesting. But nothing to do with free energy. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 15:52:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29322; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000201bd4862$b3d7c860$a8ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:13:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tu-mS.0.0A7.yTp_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Main ones seem to be: >>1 - stray capacitance fluctuations are caused by gravity flux [TT >>Brown/Hodowanec/GWRP] >>2 - caused by ionic disturbances/fluctuations [personal theory] >>3 - caused by external temp differentials [Rick Monteverde] >>4 - caused by scalar waves [Bob Shannon] >> >>We're all crackpots here anyway -- come on and join the fun :) >> >******I have a feeling that 1 and 4 may be pretty much the same**** Could there be a such thing as "Gravity Scalar Waves", which are blocked or absorbed by spinning superconductors? >Steve Heckman > Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 16:07:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11590; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:59:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:59:49 -0800 X-ROUTED: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:55:34 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <34FF10C8.B2BA3E0C@southconn.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:53:28 -0500 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WUgbw.0.sq2.nnp_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Help may be on the way....take a look at this sight for a 5kw thermoelectric generator... anyone have any ideas on the efficiencty....claimed 12 percent, working toward 20 percent... http://www.jademountain.com/genmotchg.html steve opelc Steve Ekwall wrote: > (off topic?) > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 trknute@earthlink.net wrote: > -SNIP- > > The fact that you have never traveled more, than ten miles, from any large > > City, is most evident in your arguments. The simple fact is that more then > > 75% of all people living on this planet, have no running water, indoor > > plumbing, and DO LIVE, more than 40 miles from what we might loosely call a > > power grid. They freeze, starve, and often die of diseases that can are > > directly attributed to poor drinking water. > -snip- > > Does anyone have a sugestion for one of the 'better' ways to convert fire > to electricity. In the summer-times here I find myself 40-60 miles from > any grid for months on end. Old Man Coleman Latern is really pushed to the > limits. There is coal in northern colorado but little WATER. I had made a > little steam generator to set on a campfire, but this replenshing of it's > kettle water was at best no good. > ----- > would two plates (metal) in/under a camp-fire prove workable? > hotter the fire .. brighter the light? > ----- > or tub_ular fire container? > ----- > chimney flue with paddle-wheel near top? > ----- > thoughts? > > rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( > > Just fire-side thinking (smile) > > -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 16:47:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11237; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:42:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:42:03 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: John Schnurer antigravity breakthrough experiment RealVideo movie uploaded ! Cc: herman@antioch-college.edu, klaus.simmering@cww.de Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:26:45 +0100 Message-Id: <19980306002645.1fcb73e9.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id QAA11205 Resent-Message-ID: <"4kO6c1.0.Pl2.MPq_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, finally the RealVideo movie is done from John Schnurer´s breakthrough antigravity experiment. Thanks to Klaus Simmering from EchtZeit Video, who produced the report about it for the German Television station WDR. He agreed to let me digitize this sequence of his movie. It shows John Schnurer´s experiment with rotating magnet fields under a supraconducting disc which produces the same antigravity effects like Podlevkov from Finnland has got it using a rotating supraconducting disc. The advancement from Schnurer is, that he does not need a rotating disc, but in his design the uses just rotating magnet fields ! (3 phase design) He gets about 2.6 % antigravity of the coins and ALSO the same percentage, when the doubles the weight, so this could only lead to the conclusion, that this REALLY IS AN ANTIGRAVITY EFFECT ! Congratulations John Schnurer ! We admire you ! This will lead to simple UFO drives here on earth in a few years of development ! Here is the URL to download the movie: http://www.overunity.com/movies/schnurer.rm If you want to stream the movie in your RealPlayer 5.0 you can say Open Location inside your RealPlayer and give the URL: http://www.overunity.com/movies/schnurer.ram Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 16:56:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23403; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:42:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:42:12 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.com updated ! Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:55:01 +0100 Message-Id: <19980306005501.1fe5547a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"PpO4G.0.bj5.ZPq_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, checkout: http://www.overunity.de/update.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 17:28:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA31036; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:11:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:11:56 -0800 X-ROUTED: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:07:48 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <34FF4D78.80D25115@southconn.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:12:25 -0500 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. References: <44af567e.34ff2453@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cjHL4.0.oa7.Qrq_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Butch - this is old tech....used during the second world war in england and other places.... i believe that what is produced when you burn stuff in low oxygen enviroment is a gas called coal gas, if you run it thru the right type carburator it will make an engine go.... not very good if I remembeer correctly, also do not know what it does to the engine.... maybe someone else will correct my memory on this....nice thought.....steve opelc HLafonte wrote: > In a message dated 3/5/98 2:37:12 PM Central Standard Time, ekwall2@diac.com > writes: > > > rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( > > > > Just fire-side thinking (smile) > Steve, > The most amazing conversion of heat to power I have ever seen (low budget) is > this, > After the US forces pulled out of Vietnam, the people there found that they we > stuck with no source of fuel for their car, bus, truck, ect.. They took a > steel drum and burned coal, wood, any type of fuel "organic" in nature. From > these fuels, a gas or gases would be a by-product and to my amazement they > would some way, run a car, bus, truck, any internal combustion engine > (gasoline) powered device. I will research more for you if you want on this. > If you could get an used 4 cylinder or 8 cylinder and connect it to an AC > generator, you could power the whole country side! All you would need for fuel > is, coal, wood, compost, ect. > Do you want me to research this, as I saw it on the network news years ago and > I like to think I could dig up the info. It showed a bus and a guy putting > wood in the hopper and the bus just took off like it had 100 octane in it. > Let me know. > Butch LaFonte > Note: You could also use only a 1 cylinder lawnmower type engine if wanted. > You might want to think about starting your own power company! (just kidding) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 17:31:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA32303; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:15:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:15:35 -0800 Message-ID: <30E8B529.1DF551A6@dcache.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 23:31:37 -0500 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pqJnN3.0.du7.quq_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Ekwall wrote: > -snip- > > Does anyone have a sugestion for one of the 'better' ways to convert > fire > to electricity. In the summer-times here I find myself 40-60 miles > from > any grid for months on end. Old Man Coleman Latern is really pushed to > the > limits. There is coal in northern colorado but little WATER. I had > made a > little steam generator to set on a campfire, but this replenshing of > it's > kettle water was at best no good. > ----- > would two plates (metal) in/under a camp-fire prove workable? > hotter the fire .. brighter the light? > ----- > or tub_ular fire container? > ----- > chimney flue with paddle-wheel near top? > ----- > thoughts? > > rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( > > Just fire-side thinking (smile) > > -=se=- Well. there are some small sirling engines that could be used to drive a solenoid type generator to provide pulse type DC. I have seen a peltier cooler driven backwards by mounting it on a heat source and take part of the power to run a fan at the other end of the heatsink to generate DC. May even be able to make a small Minto wheel if you have a base camp to set it up at and at the same time turn it into a permanent magnetic generator. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 18:15:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25710; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:09:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:09:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FF57D4.3694@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:56:36 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: magnetic thermo-cell ANSWERING TO John Berry References: <34FF27D5.6109@microtec.net> <34FF496A.AB4670BF@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bS8WR3.0.dH6.3hr_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A simple experiment: Take a plate of aluminum, solder it to a plate of nickel. Than heat it with a bunsen burner or a candall and then mesure the voltage. then comes the interesting part: put a ceramic magnet on the the nickel plate and mesure the voltage again. It is an experiment I made ounce, I mentioned it because someone in this list was looking for a thermal way of producing energy. IN PRACTICE The experiments lasted 30 seconds at each test, first, without the magnet the voltage was 50 and the amps 9.95. With the magnet it was 51 and the amps 9.98. Not very convincing, but interesting. With the use of stronger magnets you should have better results. Another improvement, try to stack the magnets. Stack a lot of magnets on the thermo-cell and the results should be eaven greater. IN THEORY When you heat a plate of metal, you cause it to vibrate at a higher frequency and higher amplitude so the atoms are given more energy and the electrons too. the electrons tend to move away from the atoms. But for the thermo electric effect to occur, you must have an interface of two metals. Different metals will have different vibration frequencies at same temperature. So because of this frequency difference, electrons move only in one direction. When you put a strong magnet on a piece of nickel, you slightly lower the frequency and amplitude of heat vibration of the nickel, which creates a bigger difference at the interface. If heat is a barrier to magnetism as the curie point, then magnetism is a barrier to heat. Remember, the ideal thermopile would be one in which the electron giving metal is red hot and the electron receiving metal is very cold. remember, both metals want their electrons away so when you get thermo electricity, you get the resultant vector of two opposing vectors. The magnetism simply enlarges the gap between those two vectors so the resultant is bigger (theory). then when you heat the metal joint, you should get greater voltage. the position of the magnet must be as closer to the heat joint as possible, and the more powerful the magnet, the better the results. this just increases the efficiency of a thermopile, it is not overunity, you may consider it free energy if you want. Remember, the receiving metal must be magnetic and the giving metal must be NON-magnetic. Optimize the metal configurations by choosing the best two metals that would yeild the most electricity than apply the magnetism to the receiving metal. whish you success, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 18:26:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28206; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FF77F8.1903@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:13:44 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4mB7s1.0.du6.etr_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bob! You wrote; > If you rediscover the Davidson related WWW site you are referring to, > please let me know. Bob Try http://keelynet.com/davidson.htm (index of Dan's material) -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 19:33:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03391; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:26:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:26:12 -0800 Message-ID: <34FF8716.6A47@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:18:14 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energeon@microtec.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: magnetic thermo-cell ANSWERING TO John Berry References: <34FF27D5.6109@microtec.net> <34FF496A.AB4670BF@ihug.co.nz> <34FF57D4.3694@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X8_Fd.0.dq.Hps_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Patrick et al! You wrote; > ...When you heat a plate of metal, you cause it to vibrate at a > higher frequency and higher amplitude so the atoms are given more > energy and the electrons too. Seems you could vibrate the mass to see what, if any, power increase might occur....about 3 years ago, at a 5PM Sunday lecture of the International Tesla Society ( http://www.tesla.org ), there were about 4 guys who spoke on their experiments with imposing sound on molten to cooling conductive masses...they said tests had shown higher energy conduction efficiencies JUST from the use of certain frequencies. I was blown away by the presentation and they would provide no details after the presentation. They said patents were being applied for. My interest was based on Keely's claim that mass could be 'graduated' or tuned to remove interferences that reduce energy conduction. A modern term for it is a 'Bose Einstein Condensate' though the BEC uses cryogenics and high purity materials while Keely used sound alone. I had a friend in Arkansas a few years back who claimed he exposed cooling metal to specific frequencies from a Tesla coil discharge and got all kinds of unusual attributes in the cooled metal...kind of an electret effect. He said he was applying for a patent for it but he never gave me the number after he said it was granted...uuummm, David something or other, its' been about 8 years or so ago... There is also the claim of a fellow named Baldinelli out of Boston who was able to stimulate either a metal or alloy to cause emission of electrons...of sufficient density to power his lab from a suitcase sized device. It is possible he used some kind of acoustic of frequency stimulator, the question is what was the metal/alloy and what frequency did it need to produce the streaming electrons. Some of us are trying to locate more info on this fellow. The story is he sold the rights for 25 million and the company who bought it denied knowing anything about it afterward...hmm... Anyway, the point here is there is much that is not known and awaiting rediscovery by simple acoustic experiments. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 19:40:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11607; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:28:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:24:52 -0800 Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments Message-ID: <19980305.192452.4358.2.tv@juno.com> References: <00d301bd47c1$4e2d6520$b15cadd1@default> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"pF4kF1.0.Gr2.drs_q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick, Speaking of ORAC, check out this page: http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/CorreaReich.html Seems the Correa's discovered that the Reich VACOR tubes really did work ! Tim ( tv@juno.com ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 20:02:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11412; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:57:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:57:33 -0800 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:54:51 -0800 Subject: Re: John Schnurer antigravity breakthrough experiment RealVideo movie uploaded ! Message-ID: <19980305.195452.3422.0.tv@juno.com> References: <19980306002645.1fcb73e9.in@pop3.vossnet.de> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11 Resent-Message-ID: <"b9CT63.0.7o2.dGt_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fantastic Video. Thanks for posting it Stefan Hartmann ! ( http://www.overunity.com/movies/schnurer.rm ) John Schnurer this is a wonderful confirmation of a true breakthrough and physical anomaly ! What a beautifully simple and elegant experiment ! Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 20:55:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24563; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:50:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:50:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Wrongway Peachfuzz In-Reply-To: <34FF8716.6A47@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JXbSL3.0.d_5.i2u_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Jerry W. Decker wrote: > I was blown away by the presentation and they would provide no details > after the presentation. They said patents were being applied for. Ever it was thus! > There is also the claim of a fellow named Baldinelli out of Boston who > was able to stimulate either a metal or alloy to cause emission of > electrons...of sufficient density to power his lab from a suitcase sized > device. It is possible he used some kind of acoustic of frequency > stimulator, the question is what was the metal/alloy and what frequency > did it need to produce the streaming electrons. Let me coin a term for use in new-energy research. The "wrong way Peachfuzz" process! This is from Rockey and Bullwinkle, I believe, and the trick to employing the perfect judgement of Mr. Wrongway Peachfuzz was to ask for advice, and then do the exact opposite of what he suggested. So, observe inventors who fail, and then do the opposite, like so: DON'T see your discovery as the source of fantastic riches. DON'T quit your day job, stay a hobbyist always. DON'T patent your unusual technology, that's the kiss of death. DON'T treat it as the most important discovery every made, treat it as merely something useful. If it's really important, its up to others to say so, it's not up to you. DON'T sell your idea to outsiders for big bucks. Your idea will die. DON'T hide it away as a precious secret, cast it to the four winds. DON'T refuse all aid to the competition, give detailed help to all fellow hobbyists who want to copy your discovery. I'm still very impressed by Greg Watson. He almost carried it off. The next one who strides that path will know the pitfalls better, and might even succeed. Think of the fame, think of the wealth! Yeah. Right. Now think the opposite. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 21:17:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29420; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:12:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:12:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34FFA00E.5921@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:04:46 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wrongway Peachfuzz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FMYY-3.0.XB7.hMu_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill et al! You wrote; > Let me coin a term for use in new-energy research. The "wrong way > Peachfuzz" process! This is from Rockey and Bullwinkle, I believe, > and the trick to employing the perfect judgement of Mr. Wrongway > Peachfuzz was to ask for advice, and then do the exact opposite of > what he suggested. I like the humor of it, being a life long fan of the Rocky and Bullwinkle show, particulary Fractured Fairy tales and Tutor Turtle and Mr. Wizard. However, I don't see the correlation to the excerpts from my email, but I do agree with all your points, we aren't going to see free energy unless it is freely shared, at first in a PoP version. So, tweezle, twazzle, tweedledum, time for this one to come home...... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 21:58:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07284; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:55:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:55:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:55:29 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wrongway Peachfuzz In-Reply-To: <34FFA00E.5921@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VUGBZ.0.in1.N_u_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Jerry W. Decker wrote: > However, I don't see the correlation to the excerpts from my email, but I > do agree with all your points, we aren't going to see free energy unless > it is freely shared, at first in a PoP version. It was just the usual stuff that got me going: "we made this incredible discovery that will change the world... except we GOTTA keep it SECRET!" How many thousands of times does this need to happen before people realize that a "secret discovery" is no discovery at all, it is the corpse of something wonderful which now never shall be. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 22:20:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11459; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:18:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:18:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199803060619.WAA23704@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Wrongway Peachfuzz Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:26:27 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dJlHH1.0.so2.FLv_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: William Beaty > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Wrongway Peachfuzz > Date: Thursday, March 05, 1998 8:50 PM > > Let me coin a term for use in new-energy research. The "wrong way > Peachfuzz" process! This is from Rockey and Bullwinkle, I believe, and > the trick to employing the perfect judgement of Mr. Wrongway Peachfuzz was > to ask for advice, and then do the exact opposite of what he suggested. > > So, observe inventors who fail, and then do the opposite, like so: > > DON'T see your discovery as the source of fantastic riches. > > DON'T quit your day job, stay a hobbyist always. > > DON'T patent your unusual technology, that's the kiss of death. > > DON'T treat it as the most important discovery every made, treat it > as merely something useful. If it's really important, its up to others > to say so, it's not up to you. > > DON'T sell your idea to outsiders for big bucks. Your idea will die. > > DON'T hide it away as a precious secret, cast it to the four winds. > > DON'T refuse all aid to the competition, give detailed help to all > fellow hobbyists who want to copy your discovery. Three cheers for THAT philosophy. Anything I'm lucky enough to discover I'm giving away to anyone who wants it. :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 22:24:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12290; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:23:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:23:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34FFB0AA.C78@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:15:38 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wrongway Peachfuzz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BPsJ23.0.x_2.GPv_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill! You wrote; > "we made this incredible discovery that will change the world... > except we GOTTA keep it SECRET!" In the case of the harmonized conductor, the guys were at a conference lecturing and there is a video of the presentation probably available from http://tesla.org At that time (1994), they ranged from about 30 to 60 years of age, so they should still be alive. Contact info for them could be gotten from the ITS, so they are still around to ask or at least see what they've done with it. As to Baldinelli, he does not respond to mail sent to his last known address near Cambridge and if still alive, is probably in his 80's. It's bad enough trying to pin details down when people are still available, but if they are dead or 'lost', it further complicates the matter. In either case, IMHO I'll listen to the claim on the expectation that no details are going to be provided, I'll at least try to correlate it with other information and facts that would help to figure out how they did it if it resonates with other sources. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 5 23:34:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21776; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:31:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:31:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:31:17 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: exposing freenrg-l to torsion radiation In-Reply-To: <34FF8716.6A47@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yi_Ia.0.AK5.APw_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Jerry W. Decker wrote: > I had a friend in Arkansas a few years back who claimed he exposed > cooling metal to specific frequencies from a Tesla coil discharge and got > all kinds of unusual attributes in the cooled metal...kind of an electret > effect. He said he was applying for a patent for it but he never gave me > the number after he said it was granted...uuummm, David something or > other, its' been about 8 years or so ago... Does it mean anything that I read your message a few minutes after reading this below? It's from TORSION FIELDS AND THEIR EXPERIMENTAL MANIFESTATIONS, A.E. Akimov, G.I.Shipov, from Alex Frolov's NEW IDEAS IN NATURAL SCIENCES conference proceedings. "Torsion fields" are some strange sort of polarization of the vacuum caused by rotating EM fields. It's where Tesla and Einstein, EM and GR, fuse together to create "aether strain" or something similar. I'm told that the author Akimov was head of CISE VENT, a Russian science organization under USSR Ministry of Defense and KGB. According to this research, it's not the high frequency of the tesla coil which affects the metal. Instead it's the "philadelphia experiment" radiation from rotating EM fields that does the deed. :) This paper also suggests that the "Bedini Clarifier", being a broadband torsion-field source, might have effects on freezing metals (and other things.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is common knowledge that with the cooling off of a melt, the solid phase of a substance (for instance a metal) is realized via two processes. The ions in the melt must occupy their places in potential pits that correspond to the joints of a solid body's crystalline lattice, and the spins of the ions (atoms) must be oriented by the rims of the lattice as it is prescribed by the type of the crystalline lattice. The latter circumstance is ordinarily used to explain dia- para-, and ferro- magnetism. The nonexecution of any of these two conditions results in that the structure of the solid matter turns out to be different from the natural one, which is prescribed by the traditional laws of the solid body physics. As a result of an external torsion field (emission) effect on the melt, for example by the torsion generator, only the spin state of the system of free atoms in the melt will be undergoing a change. In case an isotropic torsion radiation affects the melt of a solid matter, then given sufficient time of exposure and adequately established parameters of the melt, all atoms of the melt will pass into the state of a undirectional orientation of the spin. In such state the atoms, by virtue of spin-torsion interactions, will experience mutual gravity. At the expense of this reciprocal torsion attraction, the melt, as a spin system, will be internally stable. As a result, the strong mutual gravity, even during a slow cooling-off, will not allow the atoms to orient their spins along the ribs of the Crystalline lattice and the lattice will not be realised. Its consequence will manifest itself in an amorphous structure of the substance (metal), a structure of a quasi-glass. Under the influence of the torsion radiation with a non-isotropic space-frequency structure on the melt, provided that the listed above conditions are met, either crystallization occurs, but with a crystalline lattice :"induced" to the substance by the established structure of the external torsion field, or torsion-induced defects of the crystalline lattice will egress. All listed variants of theoretically predicted results of the torsion field effect on the melt of the metals were experimentally confirmed in the Ukraine Academy of Sciences Institute of materials technology in the works carried out jointly with CISE VENT over the period from 1989 to 1993... ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 00:12:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA30059; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:11:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:11:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:10:09 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. In-Reply-To: <44af567e.34ff2453@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"g6Y8w.0.bL7.Y-w_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, HLafonte wrote: > > rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, *NOT* always near-by :( > > > > Just fire-side thinking (smile) > Steve, > The most amazing conversion of heat to power I have ever seen (low budget) is > this, > After the US forces pulled out of Vietnam, the people there found that they we > stuck with no source of fuel for their car, bus, truck, ect.. They took a > steel drum and burned coal, wood, any type of fuel "organic" in nature. From > these fuels, a gas or gases would be a by-product and to my amazement they > would some way, run a car, bus, truck, any internal combustion engine > (gasoline) powered device. I will research more for you if you want on this. > If you could get an used 4 cylinder or 8 cylinder and connect it to an AC > generator, you could power the whole country side! All you would need for fuel > is, coal, wood, compost, ect. > Do you want me to research this, as I saw it on the network news years ago and > I like to think I could dig up the info. It showed a bus and a guy putting > wood in the hopper and the bus just took off like it had 100 octane in it. > Let me know. > Butch LaFonte > Note: You could also use only a 1 cylinder lawnmower type engine if wanted. > You might want to think about starting your own power company! (just kidding) > > Thanks Butch, but (sigh) I was thinking even smaller if possible.. was looking for something lighter than even a lawnmower engine, although THAT is in the range of 'back-packing it in'!.. The above gas sounds neat, must be a carbon composition and needs a special carborator? (If I could avoid carry a 55 gallon drum on my back for 5-15 miles !that would be good! see end of message for why I'm even there!! :) ------ Steve Opelc mentioned a http site www.jademountain.com/genmotchg.html that looks *VERY* promising as they say they have a unit at 27 pounds. It seems to require the 'liquids' (sigh) (water/fuel..ie..gas, diseal, kerosene etc.. that I also need with "Coleman".. They are right up the road here in colorado in Boulder (1 hour away, so I will go this week or next to see it hands-on) 50Kw *Thanks Steve* ------- Patrick Tremblay mentioned something about two plates aluminium and nickel being heated and then adding a magnet (ceramic) to the nickel.. this is more like it on the weight side to carry in to a isolated area (i think) will have to check output. (I'm only looking for 100w-1500w for minimual lighting and equipment running.) *Thanks Patrick* ----- Jim Jiamachello also mentioned a 'Mintos type wheel' this is more along the lines I was thinking .. especially if one might 'rig-it' on site. Is propane lighter per lighter than water? *Great Idea Jim, Thanks* ------ Camp-fire is still burning (THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR INPUT(s)) I keep staring into it and keep thinking, "THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE!" Heat to Electricity (hummmm :) it's there, how to get it out? --------------------- I wonder, can someone see a skillet or two size unit (Cast Iron, copper,a aluminum, nickel, bronze? that can just be 'thrown onto a camp-fire' or into a heat, or heated flow (chimney) that can 1) not be consumed (duh) and as long as the fire is lit/hot provides OUT-PUT?? Thanks again, best to you and yours -=se=- oh, BTW Butch, (sheeesh looking left..... looking right), this area of Colorado, just at the Wyoming border has the U.S.'s only working DIAMOND Mine, it is well worth any campers morning activity to 'shift the coal ashes as it were' if one cared about THAT kind of thing! :):):) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 00:46:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01092; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:36:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:36:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:35:39 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: patrick tremblay cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: coal_man FIRE/elec. In-Reply-To: <34FF57D4.3694@microtec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_NMGw1.0.sG.TMx_q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, patrick tremblay wrote: > A simple experiment: -snip- > a barrier to heat. Remember, the ideal thermopile would be one in which > the electron giving metal is red hot and the electron receiving metal is > very cold. > > remember, both metals want their electrons away so when you get thermo > electricity, you get the resultant vector of two opposing vectors. The > magnetism simply enlarges the gap between those two vectors so the > resultant is bigger (theory). >-snip- > then when you heat the metal joint, you should get greater voltage. > -snip- > the position of the magnet must be as closer to the heat joint as > possible, and the more powerful the magnet, the better the results. > -snip- > Remember, the receiving metal must be magnetic and the giving metal must > be NON-magnetic. Optimize the metal configurations by choosing the best > two metals that would yeild the most electricity than apply the > magnetism to the receiving metal. > patrick tremblay > energeon@microtec.net > > patrick, If I'm following the above correctly, your *NOT* suggestion putting non-magnetic aluminum in the FIRE with the Nickel (and Magnet outside the FIRE, so much as taking advantage of the solder or weld of the edges of the two. Correct? So, Ideally this pair of dissemiliar metals would be standing up-right (as it were) or only introducing it edge into the FIRE? soldering/weld is prime for this correct? still-looking INTO the FIREs OUTPUT :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 11:03:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15842; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:56:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:56:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:55:06 GMT X-Sender: arcady@mailhost.fastnet.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: arcady@fastnet.co.uk (charles north) Subject: Re: The cost of power... Resent-Message-ID: <"_s9Zy.0.Qt3.sR40r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>> > >>> >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, >>> >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop >>> >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. If there is concern that a few milliwats of EMR from overhead power lines can cause cancer etc, how would people feel about megawatts being pumped into the aether? Also suppose that there were accidental circuits with the right characteristics to absorb the power what then? regards Charles North From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 11:29:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01812; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:03:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:03:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:55:09 GMT X-Sender: arcady@mailhost.fastnet.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: arcady@fastnet.co.uk (charles north) Subject: Re: Wrongway Peachfuzz Resent-Message-ID: <"uaZk21.0.CS.qX40r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill Beaty wrote > DON'T see your discovery as the source of fantastic riches. > > DON'T quit your day job, stay a hobbyist always. > > DON'T patent your unusual technology, that's the kiss of death. > > DON'T treat it as the most important discovery every made, treat it > as merely something useful. If it's really important, its up to others > to say so, it's not up to you. > > DON'T sell your idea to outsiders for big bucks. Your idea will die. > > DON'T hide it away as a precious secret, cast it to the four winds. > > DON'T refuse all aid to the competition, give detailed help to all > fellow hobbyists who want to copy your discovery. With regard to the above, please check David Coulishaws gyroscopic inertial thruster - action without reaction - several people have built it and it appears to work - still waiting rigourous confirmation. http://www.open.org/davidc/ Charles North From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 12:12:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11066; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD4908.48D00400@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: NASA's superconductor experiment Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:00:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id MAA11035 Resent-Message-ID: <"k8W1R3.0.ni2._Q50r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings: Has anyone heard anything about NASA's Podkletnov device that they were building at Marshall Spaceflight Center? They told me they'd have results in December...then they said January...then February...now, no reply. P.S.: I sent this website many months ago, but I urge all here who are interested in toroids to take a look at this: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/bluesilv/dst_home.htm Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 12:14:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09902; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:58:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:58:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:56:27 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Sender: Zack Widup Reply-To: Zack Widup Subject: Re: The cost of power... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"q35xa2.0.eQ2.8L50r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, charles north wrote: > > >>> > > >>> >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, > >>> >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop > >>> >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. > > If there is concern that a few milliwats of EMR from overhead power lines > can cause cancer etc, how would people feel about megawatts being pumped > into the aether? Also suppose that there were accidental circuits with the > right characteristics to absorb the power what then? > > regards > > Charles North > > There IS concern about EMR, yes, but I have not seen anything conclusive about what damage it in fact causes. There is still a big mystery about this, and no one has proven anything yet. An interesting treatment is in the paper "Cancer and the unresolved health issues in the biological efffects of EM fields and radiation" by Thomas E. Bearden. Some of his theory fits in with other things I have read. It puts the issue in a whole new perspective. I believe Tesla also discovered that the effects are frequency-dependent. Some frequencies may even be beneficial (what was that Rife frequency? 28.825455 MHz --- hey, that's within the 10-meter amateur radio band!) Zack (W9SZ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 15:22:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11682; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:17:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:17:48 -0800 Message-ID: <35008178.67AE@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:06:32 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: LOOSER PEACHFUZZ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pD7lQ1.0.Fs2.OG80r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com AMERICA IS AMERICA. We would not have all that technology we are enjoying today if someone had not profit from it. THREE OPTIONS IN A CAPITALIST WORLD: 1) If you want to stay a follower : give all your secrets to someone who will profit from it then he will get rid of you when you are not useful anymore. 2) If you want to stop progress: Keep all your secrets for yourself and nobody will profit from it. 3) If you want to be a leader and a winner: Sell REAL and WORKING information and devices at a price everybody can afford and you and the world will profit from your technology. THAT'S AMERICA. I don't see why someone couldn't profit from his devices. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 15:31:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13129; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:25:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:25:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350082F4.1365@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:12:52 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: WINNER PEACHFUZZ References: <199803060619.WAA23704@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_CJJC.0.wC3.cN80r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have a lot of REAL AND WORKING information about free energy. That's why I will GIVE FOR FREE some plans about some OVERUNITY devices THAT WORK so that fellow hobbyist can copy them. On the other hand I am keeping some devices and info to sell. Surely nobody can be angry at that kind of philosophy. AFTER ALL, I want to encourage progress, I want the world to profit from it, and I want to profit from it myself. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 15:40:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15267; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:36:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:36:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19980307100503.2b5724fe@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (16) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:05:03 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. In-Reply-To: <34FF4D78.80D25115@southconn.com> References: <44af567e.34ff2453@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GYfoH3.0.Sk3.dX80r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:12 PM 3/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >Butch - this is old tech....used during the second world war in england and other >places.... >i believe that what is produced when you burn stuff in low oxygen enviroment is a >gas >called coal gas, if you run it thru the right type carburator it will make an >engine go.... >In Australia during ww2 this type of this was used you can see photos of vechicles in a local library with a burner and largee storage unit on some vechicles. About 10 years ago I saw a unit runnung a van .I think the max speed the driver could get was about 80 kilometers per hour. Every now and then he would have to cut up some firewood to feed to his unit. It sems he had a problem with gum residue which he had to deal with at times when using green wood. If everyone in Australia used this unit we would have no trees left at all Geoff ***************************************************************** Geoff Egel Check out my energy page at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Promoting the search for new energy sources for the 21st Century ,like to hear from you Snail Mail 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ***************************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 16:36:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23601; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:31:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: NASA's superconductor experiment Cc: stk@sunherald.infi.net, herman@antioch-college.edu Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 01:17:36 +0100 Message-Id: <19980307011736.25205bd2.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id QAA23541 Resent-Message-ID: <"mIOcH2.0.hm5.CL90r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 14:00 06.03.1998 -0600, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Greetings: > >Has anyone heard anything about NASA's Podkletnov device that they were building at Marshall Spaceflight Center? They told me they'd have results in December...then they said January...then February...now, no reply. > >P.S.: I sent this website many months ago, but I urge all here who are interested in toroids to take a look at this: >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/bluesilv/dst_home.htm > >Kyle Randall Mcallister >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >Phone: 228-875-0629 >Fax: 228-872-5837 Klaus Simmering in his movie: "On the way to the UFO drive" also visited the NASA and the guys over there told him, that they could also get some effects of Podletkow, but their discs always crashed and bursted, cause they used big discs and the material could not stand the high rotation speed. Podletkow had better supraconducting material, cause he is a genius in supraconducting material ! :) So the NASA guys still have to learn how to manufacture the right material to use the right speed of rotation ! :) But now it seems everyone will use John Schnurer´s idea of the rotating magnetic fields under the disc like he showed it in the RealVideo at: www.overunity.com/movies/schnurer.rm Hope this helps ! I wonder, how much this effect could be scaled up in the next few months ? Would there be more gravity reduction when using bigger and thicker discs ? What if one cools it down to almost 0 Kelvin ? What if the frequency of the rotating magnetic field is increase or the power to the fields ? Regards, STefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 16:55:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25689; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:41:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:41:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009401bd493a$46ff28e0$a7ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:58:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"cJu3x.0.FH6.UU90r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dave, >I have always thought it very interesting that flux paths HAD to be closed >circuits. >Does this strike you the same? >Thanks, >Butch > Dear Butch, If that little tidbit REALLY interests you, you should definitely read a book called "LIGHT: Replacing Three Centuries of Misconceptions", by Peter Bros. He has a website featuring his books at www.copernican-series.com. I'll go ahead and give you a synopsis of what he says... The reason flux paths are always in loops is because flux paths are nothing more than electrons orbiting molecules ENMASS rather than individually. The North pole is where electrons are EXITING material and the south pole is where electrons are re-entering the material. This guy also explains coherently what causes INDUCTANCE in general. (Ever wonder why an energized coil produces the same effect as a magnet?) Butch, he could be wrong about his ideas, but I have found his explanations at least extremely easy to understand, and consistent. He presents a convincing case with mechanical explanations that are easy to understand. Sincerely, Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 16:57:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27770; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:53:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:53:46 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <777b3579.35009a1a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:51:36 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"quLuD.0.ln6.Lg90r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-06 19:47:41 EST, you write: << (Ever wonder why an energized coil produces the same effect as a magnet?) >> Dave, This should be good reading, Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 18:04:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16600; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:59:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:59:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980306214422.005872f0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 21:44:26 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The cost of power... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5oxKh.0.934.2eA0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:55 PM 3/6/98 GMT, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, >>>> >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop >>>> >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. > >If there is concern that a few milliwats of EMR from overhead power lines >can cause cancer etc, how would people feel about megawatts being pumped >into the aether? Also suppose that there were accidental circuits with the >right characteristics to absorb the power what then? > >regards > >Charles North > Yup, I'd have some concerns as well. A few years back I had some interest in measuring the Schuman frequency; so I built a small regenerative op-amp circuit with a large coil for an antenna. Tests in the lab were useless; the 60hz from the room was overwhelming. I went to the middle of a state park that was 1/4 mile away from the lab site, there the power line ambient was small enough that I began to see other effects. I really should have thrown together a low pass filter, but this was a bit of lark so... Anyway, the point of the story being that we are already being irradiated with substantial 60hz. I imagine that the 7-8hz Schuman freq would be the one choice for power transmission, although a harmonic would be easier to engineer ( for obvious reasons ). The 9th harmonic being pretty close to 60hz would perhaps have been the likely choice. No one really knows what effect this would have. It would be meddling with the earth in a way I'd feel more than a little uncomfortable with. But thats what we primates do best :^) It is unclear ( to me anyway ) what Tesla's whole scheme was for this. He was quite an engineer, so I'd imagine these concerns crossed his mind as well. On the other hand, power on demand anywhere on the surface of the earth would be damned convienent. Plus all those ugly power lines would be gone. It has been suggested that the reason our brains have a bulk low frequency response in this region (6-14hz) is due to the Schuman frequency. If you don't mind my being polyanna, perhaps it would even be beneficial to us. It's quite fair to say that if EMI at some frequencies is destructive to life, than perhaps at other frequencies it would be beneficial. And what better place to start than the Earths own natural frequency, eh? KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 18:31:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22850; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:28:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:28:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199803070224.XAA16008@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:13:40 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Rife frequency Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"37IwG1.0.ka5.J3B0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > I believe Tesla also discovered that the effects are frequency-dependent. > Some frequencies may even be beneficial (what was that Rife frequency? > 28.825455 MHz --- hey, that's within the 10-meter amateur radio band!) > > Zack (W9SZ) > I'm very surprised with the precision on that frequency ! What will happen if we use 28.826 MHz or something like ? Maybe we could try some QSO on that QRG .... :-) Marcelo ( PY3SS ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 19:17:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31199; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:15:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:15:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:14:38 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The cost of power... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NS5Bh.0.Pd7.WlB0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, charles north wrote: > > >>> > > >>> >BTW, looking at the cost of the power distribution infrastructure, > >>> >it becomes quite clear to me the motivation of N. Tesla to develop > >>> >wireless power transmission. A very practical man. > > If there is concern that a few milliwats of EMR from overhead power lines > can cause cancer etc, how would people feel about megawatts being pumped > into the aether? Also suppose that there were accidental circuits with the > right characteristics to absorb the power what then? > > regards > > Charles North > I was just reading in the newspaper that the astronomers have been fighting with polluted air for so long present-days, that there is a push to install telescopes on the back-side of the moon! The pollution is from hand-held cell-phones / radio waves / tv et al.. Sounds like a good MOVE to me :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 20:51:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13623; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:51 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:08:01 -0500 Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Message-ID: <19980306.233952.6486.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199803030520.VAA20974@rio.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4,6-13,15-16,18-20 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"8GM0f1.0.fK3.n6D0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:24:25 -0800 "Gary Shannon" writes: >RE: Cap charging I'm currently trying to measure and accurately >quantify the Biefield-Brown effect (if it exists), but so far no luck. I've >charged a 3-foot diam flat plate cap to 85KV with no detectable alterations in >mass/weight. I'm working on a more sensitive balance and a higher >voltage supply, and I'll post any positive or negative results here. > >--Gary Gary, According to what I remember from the book "Ether Technology" (by Rho Sigma), nearly 150kV is required for the Biefield-Brown effect. I would verify this, but a co-worker has borrowed the book. Looked over patent 3,187,206, but it didn't mention a specific voltage. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 20:52:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14160; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:50:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:50:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980307003521.00584818@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:35:25 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Tesla's world power grid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"F5MRp3.0.2T3.I8D0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Freeng: As many of you know, N. Tesla ultimately planned to transmit the electrical energy generated at such sites as Niagara Falls by means of a wireless transmission system. He described this in the popular press as being much like shaking a bubble or bag of water. The Tesla coil was designed to induce a resonant effect in the radio cavity which consist of the earth (a conductor), the air (an insulator) and the ionosphere (another conductor). This cavity has a fundamental mode of oscillation at about 7.5hz. He realized this fact at Colorado Springs right at the turn of the century, check out his Colorado Springs notes for a very detailed account. He was playing with sensitive detector circuits for radio, during a lightning storm when he noticed standing wave effects as the storm past. These he refers to as "stationary waves" in the text. Higher harmonics would create nodes and peaks on the earths surface where electrical activity would be most intense. Correct addition of harmonics with the fundamental would further localize the energy peaks, and broaden the dead zones. This would superpose a grid of sorts over the surface of the earth, useful for navigation and also to minimize the risk of exposure to the inhabitants. People wishing power would place resonant circuits in the vicinity of these peak points thus loading the generator. Of course, what effect this would have on the (un)fortunate creatures that lived in those points is entirely unknown. One can at least appreciate the compelling simplicity and cleanliness of design of this system. N. Tesla was a remarkable inventor. KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 20:54:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01135; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:50:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:50:44 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:39:42 -0500 Subject: Re: The cost of power... Message-ID: <19980306.233952.6486.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19980304222124.00562d00@cnct.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16-17,20-21,23-25 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"-16fH3.0.fH.Y8D0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:21:28 -0500 Keith Nagel writes: > >Until last month, it was very difficult to sell power to >people, despite laws passed to force the power Co's to >buy power back from consumers if they could provide it. >It has now become a practical reality. I can now start >a power company, and if I could produce the power for less than >3.5 cents per kw-hr, actually have people cooking their food, >heating their homes, and generally living with alternative >energy. Without their having to buy the machine to produce >the power. I thought others might be excited by this development. >Perhaps I am alone in this... Your not alone. The State of Virginia was also discussing this possibility. You have raised some valid points about the economics of "Free" energy, and at least one other reply I have read so far too some of your points farther. About soliciting investers, If Greg Watson isn't a fraud, then most likely he got in over his head here. A problem we need to keep in mind. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 21:25:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19755; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:23:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:23:34 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 06:23:34 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3505e697.189912743@mail.eisa.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"avgUc2.0.Wq4.KdD0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:10:09 -0700 (MST), Steve Ekwall wrote: [snip] > ------ >Steve Opelc mentioned a http site www.jademountain.com/genmotchg.html that >looks *VERY* promising as they say they have a unit at 27 pounds. It >seems to require the 'liquids' (sigh) (water/fuel..ie..gas, diseal, >kerosene etc.. that I also need with "Coleman".. They are right up the >road here in colorado in Boulder (1 hour away, so I will go this week or >next to see it hands-on) 50Kw *Thanks Steve* >------- [snip] I especially like the price! $880.- for a completely solid state 5 kW unit seems pretty good compared to the prices of the normal gen-sets that follow it. That's only 17.6 cents / watt, cheaper than most power stations! Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 21:34:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23491; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:32:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:32:52 -0800 X-ROUTED: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:28:30 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <3500DC6E.B50838C0@southconn.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:34:39 -0500 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? References: <199803030520.VAA20974@rio.com> <19980306.233952.6486.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Td2Lm1.0.yk5.2mD0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The brown effect shows up with a shaped electrostatic charge....for a working demonstration, and a setup you can do yourself see: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/ttbelkin.htm Steve Opelc Stephen L Heckman wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:24:25 -0800 "Gary Shannon" writes: > >RE: Cap charging I'm currently trying to measure and accurately > >quantify the Biefield-Brown effect (if it exists), but so far no luck. > I've > >charged a 3-foot diam flat plate cap to 85KV with no detectable > alterations in > >mass/weight. I'm working on a more sensitive balance and a higher > >voltage supply, and I'll post any positive or negative results here. > > > >--Gary > > Gary, > > According to what I remember from the book "Ether Technology" (by Rho > Sigma), nearly 150kV is required for the Biefield-Brown effect. > > I would verify this, but a co-worker has borrowed the book. Looked over > patent 3,187,206, but it didn't mention a specific voltage. > > Steve Heckman > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 21:34:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23269; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:32:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:32:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3500F62C.7E63@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:24:28 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Rife frequency References: <199803070224.XAA16008@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CWapk.0.8h5.RlD0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Marcelo et al! With regard to the precision of the RIFE frequency....I've always questioned any kind of locked in frequency assigned to any disease...the reason being that everyone is slightly different so there will be 'isotopic variations' from the basic reference frequency of the organism, what RIFE called the M.O.R. (mortal oscillatory rate) for each virus or bacteria. When Dr. Peter Guy Manners was in Dallas two weeks ago, some of us had the honor of 'hanging' with him for two days....he promotes a system called Cymatics (working on a page with more details) where each organ has its own group of frequencies that represent that particular organ...it is claimed to create a 3 dimentional pattern in space analogous to that particular form. He calls each of these organ patterns 'commutations' and said they consist of 5 basic frequencies to which they add an additional 20 frequencies to account for 'smear' or what I call 'isotopic variations'. In experiments some of us have done with the molecular frequency discriminator (metal locator), their is a fixed frequency but it generally can have variations of up to +/- 5khz around this fixed frequency. This accounts for the variations. Kind of a ballpark, shotgun approach, but as long as it gets results, that's all that matters. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 21:55:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27192; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980307013853.00570bd0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 01:38:57 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The cost of power... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vjT0l3.0.ke6._3E0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:39 PM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > >On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:21:28 -0500 Keith Nagel writes: > >> >>Until last month, it was very difficult to sell power to >>people, despite laws passed to force the power Co's to >>buy power back from consumers if they could provide it. >>It has now become a practical reality. I can now start >>a power company, and if I could produce the power for less than >>3.5 cents per kw-hr, actually have people cooking their food, >>heating their homes, and generally living with alternative >>energy. Without their having to buy the machine to produce >>the power. I thought others might be excited by this development. >>Perhaps I am alone in this... > >Your not alone. The State of Virginia was also discussing this >possibility. > >You have raised some valid points about the economics of "Free" energy, >and at least one other reply I have read so far too some of your points >farther. > >About soliciting investers, If Greg Watson isn't a fraud, then most >likely he got in over his head here. A problem we need to keep in mind. > >Steve Heckman What an interesting story that was. I couldn't decide if Greg was using the listserv as a means to further his research aims at others expense, or whether he was sincere in his desire to spread a permanent magnet motor technology. Maybe both. Maybe something else entirely... The money generated by the project was no where near the value of the time spent by so many to field test the device. Fellow list members tell me that the project was for the most part a failure, although I have never experimented with the track and ball design Greg espoused. He did find a patent concerning this design, and another patent appeared which matched the more advanced design. I see value in the experiments but perhaps not the way Greg saw them. My discussions with him focused on the measurement of the speed of magnetization in a ferromagnetic ceramic. I wonder now if part of Gregs problem is due to that patent being enforced? It remains to be seen if anyone will receive a refund on the cost of the kit. I guess it will take something like a lawsuit to move the story further. Greg seems to have stopped communicating with the list publicly. This is unfortunate. The whole thing is kind of sad really. Lots of people got excited, posting was very intense, then all the prinicple beta testers and researchers got left hanging. I can't imagine Greg was so happy with the ending either. Anyway, this is all beside the point. Tell us about the situation in Virginia. Have any other states adopted this policy besides New York? KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 22:54:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02773; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:53:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:53:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199803070653.WAA12266@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:00:36 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ILm6H1.0.Ah.XxE0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: paula > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 9:34 PM > > The brown effect shows up with a shaped electrostatic charge....for a working > > demonstration, and a setup you can do yourself see: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/ttbelkin.htm > > Thank you for that URL. Looks like a lot of good info there. --Gary :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 22:56:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14972; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:54:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:54:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803070653.WAA12263@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:57:23 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QqFdJ.0.sf3.nyE0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > From: Stephen L Heckman > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:08 PM > > > Gary, > > According to what I remember from the book "Ether Technology" (by Rho > Sigma), nearly 150kV is required for the Biefield-Brown effect. > > I would verify this, but a co-worker has borrowed the book. Looked over > patent 3,187,206, but it didn't mention a specific voltage. > > Steve Heckman Steve-- Thanks for the info. I seemed to recall something to that effect, but I couldn't remember the specific voltages, and couldn't find any references to it. Well my next generator (under construction) should be able to peak out at around 200KV, and I'm also building a faraday cage for the whole aparatus to rule out electrostatic effects with the earth and/or nearby conductive masses. (see http://rio.com/~reboot/Grav1.html ) Dr. Francis Nipher noted a similar (or related) effect back in 1916 ( http://rio.com/~reboot/Nipher.htm ) but I couldn't find any references to how much voltage he used either. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 23:16:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07287; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:14:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:14:25 -0800 X-ROUTED: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:10:04 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <3500F444.B419512B@southconn.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:16:21 -0500 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? References: <199803070653.WAA12263@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fi9Uo1.0.nn1.GFF0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary - When Jean-Naudlin did the experiments shown on his page, he put out the word for anyone who had an idea on how it worked to let him know....as with other researchers who have gotten a brown device going, he was able to rule out everything that was brought up.....Jeane is a very careful experimenter and I accept that all the normal reasons, including electrostatic attraction have been ruled out... if you want to talk to him via email his address is on his page.... he will be happy, I am sure, to let you know how he ruled things out.... hope this helps.....I personally believe this is a proven unknown effect... steve opelc Gary Shannon wrote: > > From: Stephen L Heckman > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? > > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:08 PM > > > > > > Gary, > > > > According to what I remember from the book "Ether Technology" (by Rho > > Sigma), nearly 150kV is required for the Biefield-Brown effect. > > > > I would verify this, but a co-worker has borrowed the book. Looked over > > patent 3,187,206, but it didn't mention a specific voltage. > > > > Steve Heckman > > Steve-- > > Thanks for the info. > > I seemed to recall something to that effect, but I couldn't remember the > specific voltages, and couldn't find any references to it. Well my next > generator (under construction) should be able to peak out at around 200KV, > and I'm also building a faraday cage for the whole aparatus to rule out > electrostatic effects with the earth and/or nearby conductive masses. (see > http://rio.com/~reboot/Grav1.html ) Dr. Francis Nipher noted a similar (or > related) effect back in 1916 ( http://rio.com/~reboot/Nipher.htm ) but I > couldn't find any references to how much voltage he used either. > > --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 6 23:41:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11642; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:40:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:40:13 -0800 Message-ID: <35011416.1843@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 01:32:06 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Renewable Energy Rally References: <19980306175954.5200.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wTVWr1.0.ir2.RdF0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gnorts, Hi, Greetings and Felicitations! A date has now been scheduled for the 'March for Peaceful Energy', i.e. pressure on the US goverment to focus our resources towards improvements and implementation of renewable energy power systems in the United States and throughout the world. It will be October 24th, 1998 in Washington, DC. Details are posted at a temporary index page at; http://keelynet.com/energy/rally.htm until Richard Lasken and supporters get their website up. Please pass the information to anyone you think might be able and willing to help. ----------------------------------------------------- IMHO, the project has many permutations, specifically; 1) global warming effects would be significantly impacted OVER TIME if we can get away from using oil and its byproducts as a combustible fuel source, 2) everyone, not just the US and allies, would benefit from the use of devices which would produce heat for cooking or to keep warm, to precipitate water from the air, to refrigerate and thus preserve food, to eliminate waste and garbage via shock disruption, etc. 3) awareness and education of people through local energy generation would open the door to foster creativity in looking for new sources, such as zpe/aether tapping, magnetic/high voltage/mechanical overunity and cold fusion. 4) worldwide changes in government policies towards other countries will return their inherent right to craft their own destinies, without the biasing influences based on the oil based excuse of 'national interest'. ---------------------------------------------- We are also working on a discussion list for the 'Renewable Energy Rally' specifically for supporters and organizers to communicate with the rest, so that everyone is playing from the same sheet of music.......THANKS! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 01:09:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22958; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:06:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: <35012834.2F51@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:57:56 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xr9fY1.0.ac5.utG0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! This is an email I sent to a friend and researcher; > Well, better to try and fail....this info was shared courtesy of Wes > Crosiar..so thank him if you have occasion to communicate...he's been > ill with a flu and is better now... > Something odd you might be interested in...a fellow (Wes) says you > can take a magnet, like a cylinder or bar....put a thick metal piece > on one pole (doesn't matter)....then bring a similar magnet close to > the metal plate so that the approaching pole is identical to the one > it is moving near to. > As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, > you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the > plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will > stick to the plate. > He says this happens not because the attraction to the plate is > stronger than the pole repulsions (after all, it has magnetized the > plate with the same polarity so is essentially an extension of the > magnet pole energy)....but he says he watched the fields at different > points and when the magnets begin to attract, the moving magnet pole > actually FLIPS! > He believes this is the key to the Sweet device, the Minato > self-driven magnetic wheel and other devices....it is almost exactly > what Wesley Gary said happened with his magnetic 'neutral line'..... > Isn't that interesting???? I'm going to do that when I get some steel > plate...he says the thicker the better....-------------------------------------------- The email response was; >> Well - it does! (flip polarity) >> I have a few rare earths. This effect can be seen at 4 to 6 inches. >> The non metallic magnet turns and tries to spin around. (I just went >> in the shop and tested it!) There is something else odd, the magnet at >> a distance, turns about 30 to 45 degrees and stays there. >> (with regard to the Minato self-running bicycle wheel as at; >> http://keelynet.com/gravity/curtis0.htm ) I am trying to find a >> small smooth plate I can mount 1 nib to so I can see exactly what it >> does. It would seem many on a plate will turn..... >> But I have to test this magnet thingy! I find heavy chrome from my old >> motorcycle makes super conductor for magnets. I get more power using >> them than iron. If I can rig it, I will have pictures for you. ------------------------------------------------- Many of my associates think the Sweet device used such a magnetic bubble switch effect, and Wes says Coler and Hendershot also used it..>>> Jerry -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 01:23:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24566; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:21:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:21:46 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803070653.WAA12266@rio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:21:25 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Resent-Message-ID: <"0CDnK.0.h_5.e6H0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary - It's been my understanding that asymmetry in the Biefeld-Brown capacitors is necessary, and anything over 50kv should be good to see it. Asymmetic factors can be unequal electrodes, or tapered dielectrics, or dielectrics consisting of layers of material arranged to provide a spread of dielectric constants from high to low. Basically, simple flat symmetrical plates don't work - even though that's in some of the original Brown patents. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 03:02:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA31669; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 03:01:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 03:01:03 -0800 Message-ID: <35012908.2266210B@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:01:28 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8DqEU.0.kk7.jZI0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com True but that asymmetry can be caused by appositely charged plates of unequal voltage (you don't need different plates or uneven dielectrics), The direction is dependant on the gradient not on polarity, It can produce thrust in the positive to negative direction as well as negative to positive direction (though there may be an advantage in negative to positive directon). There is a weight loss when in the vertical orientation that is separate to the thrust, more info can be found at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~antigrav/scans.htm the bottom paper It is believed that a pulsed DC is more effective with even more effect if the charging pulse if sharp and the discharge slower. It is also believed that by rotating the capacitor the effect is increased (with the possibility rotating the two electrodes in opposite directions when possible) There is also a force external to the capacitor that was even used to turn disks in one patent! It has been tried in vacuum with increased thrust plus with action taken to rule out the effect being due to thrust placed on the walls. John Berry Rick Monteverde wrote: > Gary - > > It's been my understanding that asymmetry in the Biefeld-Brown capacitors > is necessary, and anything over 50kv should be good to see it. Asymmetic > factors can be unequal electrodes, or tapered dielectrics, or dielectrics > consisting of layers of material arranged to provide a spread of dielectric > constants from high to low. Basically, simple flat symmetrical plates don't > work - even though that's in some of the original Brown patents. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 04:17:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02669; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 04:15:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 04:15:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35013A2F.7613D52@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 01:14:39 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? References: <35012908.2266210B@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S8pNN3.0.cf.dfJ0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Also you can most likely use a much lower voltage if you have a thin dielectric, the electric field density will be extremely high on two plates that are very close together even on a very low voltage cap. A parallel plate capacitor (charged in parallel) with plates that alternate positive negative positive neg..... the electric field won't be unidirectional going in one direction in one dielectric and the opposite direction in the next, but the gradient would be. By having a dielectric that has a higher K dielectric on one side it creates an asymmetrical electric field gradient which is what we want! Thin aluminium plates coated on one side with a high K dielectric and on the other side with a low-medium K dielectric when many of these plates are put together (so that the two dielectrics are pressed firmly together) charged alternately pos neg pos... You should see a real thrust at say 100-200v The low K side of all the plates should be on top with the high K side on the bottom with thrust in the direction of the low K to high K. So you have a relatively normal capacitor except for the dielectric. John Berry John Berry wrote: > True but that asymmetry can be caused by appositely charged plates of unequal > voltage (you don't need different plates or uneven dielectrics), The direction > is dependant on the gradient not on polarity, It can produce thrust in the > positive to negative direction as well as negative to positive direction > (though there may be an advantage in negative to positive directon). > There is a weight loss when in the vertical orientation that is separate to the > thrust, more info can be found at > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~antigrav/scans.htm the bottom paper > > It is believed that a pulsed DC is more effective with even more effect if the > charging pulse if sharp and the discharge slower. > It is also believed that by rotating the capacitor the effect is increased > (with the possibility rotating the two electrodes in opposite directions when > possible) > > There is also a force external to the capacitor that was even used to turn > disks in one patent! > > It has been tried in vacuum with increased thrust plus with action taken to > rule out the effect being due to thrust placed on the walls. > > John Berry > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > Gary - > > > > It's been my understanding that asymmetry in the Biefeld-Brown capacitors > > is necessary, and anything over 50kv should be good to see it. Asymmetic > > factors can be unequal electrodes, or tapered dielectrics, or dielectrics > > consisting of layers of material arranged to provide a spread of dielectric > > constants from high to low. Basically, simple flat symmetrical plates don't > > work - even though that's in some of the original Brown patents. > > > > - Rick Monteverde > > Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 06:16:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20888; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:14:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:14:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199803071415.LAA12453@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:03:41 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35012834.2F51@keelynet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"Dez_N2.0.G65.hOL0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > > Something odd you might be interested in...a fellow (Wes) says you > > can take a magnet, like a cylinder or bar....put a thick metal piece > > on one pole (doesn't matter)....then bring a similar magnet close to > > the metal plate so that the approaching pole is identical to the one > > it is moving near to. > > > As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, > > you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the > > plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will > > stick to the plate. > > > He says this happens not because the attraction to the plate is > > stronger than the pole repulsions (after all, it has magnetized the > > plate with the same polarity so is essentially an extension of the > > magnet pole energy)....but he says he watched the fields at different > > points and when the magnets begin to attract, the moving magnet pole > > actually FLIPS! > > > He believes this is the key to the Sweet device, the Minato > > self-driven magnetic wheel and other devices....it is almost exactly > > what Wesley Gary said happened with his magnetic 'neutral line'..... > > > Isn't that interesting???? I'm going to do that when I get some steel > > plate...he says the thicker the better....-------------------------------------------- I did some simple experiments with two Neodimium magnets and a 3 mm thick steel bar. The two magnets start repelling each other at 20 cm and at 5 cm separation they strongly repels themselves. BUT, when you insert the 3 mm thick steel bar between the 5 cm separated magnets, they strongly ATTRACK each other ! The most interesting is that I COULD'N get the same results using a ferrite bar instead of steel !!! I guess this effect needs more attention. Maybe a coil to extract some power from this setup ... The SMOT effect seems to be very similar to this one. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 07:49:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21802; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009401bd493a$46ff28e0$a7ec060c@davelook> References: Conversation <009401bd493a$46ff28e0$a7ec060c@davelook> with last message <009401bd493a$46ff28e0$a7ec060c@davelook> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FREE ENERGY" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mike Connolly" Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Date: Sat, 07 Mar 98 09:51:17 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5p9mi.0.WK5.TmM0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com sounds a lot like joe newman's theories thanks G'DAY! Mike Connolly Bulk Feed Tank Product Manager GRAIN SYSTEMS, INC. P.O. BOX 20 Assumption, IL 62510 PH: 217.226.4421 FAX: 217.226.4420 U.S. FAX: 800.800.5329 E-MAIL: mconnolly@grainsystems.com ---------- > > >Dave, > >I have always thought it very interesting that flux paths HAD to be closed > >circuits. > >Does this strike you the same? > >Thanks, > >Butch > > > > Dear Butch, > If that little tidbit REALLY interests you, you should definitely read a > book > called "LIGHT: Replacing Three Centuries of Misconceptions", by Peter Bros. > He has a website featuring his books at www.copernican-series.com. > I'll go ahead and give you a synopsis of what he says... > The reason flux paths are always in loops is because flux paths are nothing > more than > electrons orbiting molecules ENMASS rather than individually. The North pole > is where > electrons are EXITING material and the south pole is where electrons are > re-entering > the material. > This guy also explains coherently what causes INDUCTANCE in general. > (Ever > wonder why an energized coil produces the same effect as a magnet?) > Butch, he could be wrong about his ideas, but I have found his > explanations at least > extremely easy to understand, and consistent. He presents a convincing case > with mechanical explanations that are easy to understand. > > Sincerely, Dave L. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 08:26:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26847; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:23:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:23:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980307162152.18328.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.149.68.37] From: "Chris Thomas" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 08:21:52 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"44DiN.0.FZ6.NIN0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Put me on the list. Chris_thomas85@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 10:08:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11496; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <8eff51a1.35018c13@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:04:01 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: An Urine Battery...... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"N9sOs1.0.Wp2.DoO0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, You will find all informations about the URINE BATTERY from Nelson Camus at: http://members.aol.com/overunity2/nelson/urbat.htm These documents has been demonstrated by Nelson Camus during the latest Conference on freeNRG technologies in Zuerich ( Dec 6, 1997). Ps: This is not a joke..... :-) Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 10:12:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23771; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:10:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:10:23 -0800 From: Ro Conroy Message-ID: <61a42d3e.35018d5e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:09:30 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dan Davidson Links Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"nZE3H2.0.Lp5.EsO0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-05 17:28:47 EST, Anton you wrote: << Please send me more info -- sounds interesting. Where did you get your ideas/info, and how large are your structures? Would like to experiment. >> The largest icosidododacahedron I have built is 32' in diameter set on a 3' kneewall, giving a 19' heighth. The overall approach came from my trying to tie the recursive shapes found in Nature to the idea that the structure is somehow described in ancient writings, such as the Book of Genesis, etc. My investigation led me to believe that the Platonic Solids are tied in with the structure of particles in the 10^ (-17) cm, quarks and sub Quark range. For more information on the relationship in regards to moleclular structuring, 3D Fractals (recursive self similarity without Chaos), and practical applications, such as low cost housing, see my WEB page. You will also find reference on how I think that the combination "mean proportion geodesic", might have ties to the philosopher stone, meaning ties with cold fusion, gravity shielding, and a tuning mechanism for the dissociation of water by tuning into the proper frequency chord related to the structure of the dynamic energy aether. URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 10:59:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23107; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:56:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:56:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803071854.KAA06493@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:55:35 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WUB_U1.0.te5.EXP0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: Rick Monteverde > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? > Date: Saturday, March 07, 1998 1:21 AM > > Gary - > > It's been my understanding that asymmetry in the Biefeld-Brown capacitors > is necessary, and anything over 50kv should be good to see it. Asymmetic > factors can be unequal electrodes, or tapered dielectrics, or dielectrics > consisting of layers of material arranged to provide a spread of dielectric > constants from high to low. Basically, simple flat symmetrical plates don't > work - even though that's in some of the original Brown patents. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI > > Thanks for the info. I'll look into it. I am using a symmetrical plate capacitor with the conducting plates sealed between two sheets of plastic to reduce corona leakage. Guess I'd better go back to the drawing board on the capacitor design. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 11:18:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26718; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980307120616.00945210@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:06:16 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: AJ Dubla Subject: Re: An Urine Battery...... In-Reply-To: <8eff51a1.35018c13@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WaLRG.0.NX6.skP0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello, >Dear All, > >You will find all informations about the URINE BATTERY from Nelson Camus at: > >http://members.aol.com/overunity2/nelson/urbat.htm > >These documents has been demonstrated by Nelson Camus during the latest >Conference on freeNRG technologies in Zuerich ( Dec 6, 1997). > >Ps: This is not a joke..... :-) > >Sincerely, > >Jean-Louis Naudin No joke for sure! I saw a demonstration of this battery on the Discovery channel about a year ago. It's the one where they do the demo in one of those pocket sized flip up tents. Anyway, they had a house lamp, stereo, and tv hooked up to the battery. When they poured in 1 gallon of urine, all 3 devices were operational. They didn't say how long they would run on the one gallon though. I believe it had something to do with Nithium? Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 11:18:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26706; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:10:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:10:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980307120201.009444d0@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:02:01 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: AJ Dubla Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? In-Reply-To: <35012834.2F51@keelynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vUyDJ2.0._W6.pkP0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello, At 02:57 AM 3/7/98 -0800, someone wrote: >Hi Folks! > >This is an email I sent to a friend and researcher; > >> Well, better to try and fail....this info was shared courtesy of Wes >> Crosiar..so thank him if you have occasion to communicate...he's been >> ill with a flu and is better now... > >> Something odd you might be interested in...a fellow (Wes) says you >> can take a magnet, like a cylinder or bar....put a thick metal piece >> on one pole (doesn't matter)....then bring a similar magnet close to >> the metal plate so that the approaching pole is identical to the one >> it is moving near to. > >> As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, >> you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the >> plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will >> stick to the plate. > >> He says this happens not because the attraction to the plate is >> stronger than the pole repulsions (after all, it has magnetized the >> plate with the same polarity so is essentially an extension of the >> magnet pole energy)....but he says he watched the fields at different >> points and when the magnets begin to attract, the moving magnet pole >> actually FLIPS! > >> He believes this is the key to the Sweet device, the Minato >> self-driven magnetic wheel and other devices....it is almost exactly >> what Wesley Gary said happened with his magnetic 'neutral line'..... The magnetic bubbles I induce into ceramic magnets behave exactly like this. Once the bubble is formed at a neutral point, a small osciallation from a local solenoid will flip the polarity back and forth easily. This can be watched with that green magnetic viewing paper. >> Isn't that interesting???? I'm going to do that when I get some steel >> plate...he says the thicker the better....-------------------------------------------- >The email response was; > >>> Well - it does! (flip polarity) >>> I have a few rare earths. This effect can be seen at 4 to 6 inches. >>> The non metallic magnet turns and tries to spin around. (I just went >>> in the shop and tested it!) There is something else odd, the magnet at >>> a distance, turns about 30 to 45 degrees and stays there. >>> (with regard to the Minato self-running bicycle wheel as at; >>> http://keelynet.com/gravity/curtis0.htm ) I am trying to find a >>> small smooth plate I can mount 1 nib to so I can see exactly what it >>> does. It would seem many on a plate will turn..... > >>> But I have to test this magnet thingy! I find heavy chrome from my old >>> motorcycle makes super conductor for magnets. I get more power using >>> them than iron. If I can rig it, I will have pictures for you. ------------------------------------------------- >Many of my associates think the Sweet device used such a magnetic bubble >switch effect, and Wes says Coler and Hendershot also used it..>>> Jerry >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com Say Jerry, have you been in contact with Wes? I haven't heard from him for a while. Him and I have talked at length about the magnetic bubble's and pole flipping. I would be interested to find out his status. Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 11:24:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27701; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803071854.KAA06487@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:53:33 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BpI913.0.im6.poP0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have observed the same effect. It seems the effect is more pronounced when the moving magnet is somewhat weaker than the stationary magnet. I just shrugged it off at the time. Maybe it deserves a second look... ---------- > From: Jerry W. Decker > To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz > Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? > Date: Saturday, March 07, 1998 2:57 AM > > Hi Folks! > > This is an email I sent to a friend and researcher; > > > Well, better to try and fail....this info was shared courtesy of Wes > > Crosiar..so thank him if you have occasion to communicate...he's been > > ill with a flu and is better now... > > > Something odd you might be interested in...a fellow (Wes) says you > > can take a magnet, like a cylinder or bar....put a thick metal piece > > on one pole (doesn't matter)....then bring a similar magnet close to > > the metal plate so that the approaching pole is identical to the one > > it is moving near to. > > > As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, > > you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the > > plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will > > stick to the plate. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 11:34:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02692; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:31:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:31:53 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: An Urine Battery...... Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:18:51 +0100 Message-Id: <19980307201851.29353687.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"MWqTd2.0.-f.b2Q0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:06 07.03.1998 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hello, > >>Dear All, >> >>You will find all informations about the URINE BATTERY from Nelson Camus at: >> >>http://members.aol.com/overunity2/nelson/urbat.htm >> >>These documents has been demonstrated by Nelson Camus during the latest >>Conference on freeNRG technologies in Zuerich ( Dec 6, 1997). >> >>Ps: This is not a joke..... :-) >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Jean-Louis Naudin > >No joke for sure! I saw a demonstration of this battery on the Discovery >channel about a year ago. It's the one where they do the demo in one of >those pocket sized flip up tents. Anyway, they had a house lamp, stereo, >and tv hooked up to the battery. When they poured in 1 gallon of urine, >all 3 devices were operational. They didn't say how long they would run >on the one gallon though. I believe it had something to do with Nithium? > >Alan Dubla Well, instead of going to the toilet , you will relief in the future on your balcony into the urine battery and have power all day long ! :) Hopefully you will hit the entrance, otherwise your balcony will stink ! :) Well, jokes besides, how long does such a battery run ? Sound pretty interesting ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 11:37:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03157; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:33:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:33:57 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:56:06 -0500 Subject: Brown effect, was: New developments, Rick? Message-ID: <19980307.142311.6486.5.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-19,23-24,27-30 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"dfVbt.0.En.V4Q0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:21:25 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: >Gary - > >It's been my understanding that asymmetry in the Biefeld-Brown >capacitors >is necessary, and anything over 50kv should be good to see it. >Asymmetic >factors can be unequal electrodes, or tapered dielectrics, or >dielectrics >consisting of layers of material arranged to provide a spread of >dielectric >constants from high to low. Basically, simple flat symmetrical plates >don't >work - even though that's in some of the original Brown patents. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > Rick's comment sent me back to patent 3,187,206 (June 1, 1965). It states on the first page (col 1, #35) that "the thrust produced by such a device is present if the electrostatic field gradient between the two plates is non-linear." Shapped plates is one means, another is a shapped dielectric. If you do plan to experiment with the Brown effect, a copy of the patent is essential. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 13:38:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00588; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:28:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:28:19 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:14:12 -0500 Subject: Re: The cost of power... Message-ID: <19980307.161649.6486.12.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19980307013853.00570bd0@cnct.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-8,10-17,19-20,26-28 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"RQxUe3.0.59.jlR0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 01:38:57 -0500 Keith Nagel writes: > >I wonder now if part of Gregs problem is due to that >patent being enforced? That is a possibility that I havn't considered. Good point. On the other hand, he could of told us so. But i do plan to look at the patent posted on his site so see how similar it is. >Anyway, this is all beside the point. Tell us about >the situation in Virginia. Have any other states adopted >this policy besides New York? > >KPN > So far they are considering it very seriously. They thought they were going to be the first. Guess not. Will let you know, however. One thing, is that many independant cities in Virginia (such as Salem) are their own power company, which buys its power from competing suppliers. The city ownes the lines to the homes. It is treated like water or sewage, which is also government run here. However, when Roanoke city (next door to Salem) tried to acquire the Gas Company assetts in the city limits and run it themselves, public opinion ended up stopping it. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 13:54:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06402; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:51:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:51:29 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:15:22 -0500 Subject: Re: About the Johnson's motor Message-ID: <19980307.130502.6486.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-21,23-26,28-29,32-35 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"zT71z3.0.nZ1.M5S0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:18:19 EST JNaudin509 writes: >Hi All, > >You will find an interesting document about the Johnson's motor at : > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/johnmot.htm > >In this document, I have tried to understand better the principle >claimed in >this permanent magnetic motor. You will find a complete simulation >with >QuickField about this motor. > >All constructive comments are welcome..... > >I hope that this will interest you, > >Jean-Louis Naudin >03-04-98 > > I took a look a your simulation (Also took a look at the quickfield simulation of Butch's "Big Y" setup). I assume you used Quickfield in your simulation. In any case, good work! If you can tune his device using the software, think of the time saved when prototyping the device. On the down side, Johnson's US patent has been expired. It would be a shame if his motor was made to work after it become public domain. But better late than never. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 14:03:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06388; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:04:35 -0500 Subject: Re: About the Johnson's motor Message-ID: <19980307.130502.6486.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7,9-10,12-16 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"PoU5N3.0.aZ1.K5S0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:18:19 EST JNaudin509 writes: >Hi All, > >You will find an interesting document about the Johnson's motor at : > I have a book called "Free Energy Secrets" that has some info on the Johnson Motor. What you may be interested in is a simple experiment with a "linear" Johnson motor. If would like a copy I can mail it to you. Just send me your mailing address in a private e-mail. Keep up the good work! Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 14:13:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00578; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:28:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:28:16 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:18:02 -0500 Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. Message-ID: <19980307.161648.6486.10.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-14,17-19 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"AvYwn1.0.s8.ilR0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:23:38 -0700 (MST) Steve Ekwall writes: >thoughts? > >rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( > >Just fire-side thinking (smile) > >-=se=- > > Just one thought...have you considered using a radiator-type setup as a condensor and reuse the same water in a closed loop? Make sure you have a pressure release valve though. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 14:14:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09963; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:12:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:12:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3501DFF4.5870@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:01:56 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: David Hudson Experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"raCGC1.0.SR2.kOS0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! Thought you might be interested in this query about an experiment David Hudson was wanting to get done about 4 years ago. The first is my email to Dr. Hal Puthoff at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin, the second is his response today (03/07/98). > Hi Hal! > David Hudson said you were going to test his observation of a sample of > monoatomic material that, when placed on a scale and heated, lost > weight. > When heated further, it becomes invisible. David thinks the material > shifts to hyperspace or some other dimension. > He said you were going to test to find out....did you ever get a chance > to test this claim?? Thanks!!-- > In a message dated 3/5/98 11:43:19 PM, you wrote: <> >> He never provided us the material. >> Hal Puthoff---David told me about this at one of Dr. John Bockris' Low Level Transmutation conferences at College Park. I understood the test was to involve a wide vertical paddle wiper that would sweep across the surface of the scale to push the physical, yet invisible monoatomic sample of the scale. If the sample had actually traveresed into a hyperspace type region, then it would be UNAFFECTED by the sweep of the paddle....if the sample was simply invisible, it would be pushed off the scale, the scale would reflect it being gone and the element, being out of scope of the heat, would reappear.....never happened...would have been a totally wild test for a video, especially if the sweep of the paddle was made and when the heat was removed the element reappeared ON THE SCALE!! David believes that by ingestion of a monoatomic element, which has superconducting properties...these properties will be transferred to the body as the monoatomic material saturates the tissues. The phenomena associated with superconductivity will then be transferred to the body...specifically, he says you become telepathic, you heal and to some degree rejuvenate, are able to heal by contact or being in the presence of a sick person and by continued ingestion, your body energy field (bioplasmic, aura, whatever) becomes so strong that eventually you shift to another dimension.....which is what this experiment was to show. Hudson believes many of the world's great religious masters ingested this material to give them supernormal abilities such as walking on water, healing by touch, etc... If anyone reading this ever gets a sample of one of Hudson's monoatomic elements, please do this weight and heat test or email me so we can arrange to do it and videotape the test. The premise is intriguing. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 14:28:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01434; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:23:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:23:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3501E32A.E1B@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:15:38 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? References: <3.0.5.32.19980307120201.009444d0@pop.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u8-ta1.0.7M.oZS0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Alan! Yes, the pole flipping with the Sweet device has been discussed on many occasions by a lot of people I know....the bubble, being unstable is subject to outside triggers that will cause the flip....kind of like the Barkhausen effect or better yet the Nuclear Magnetic Resonance effect where atoms, when excited at the right frequencey, will flipped to create the ping the detector picks up. I know Wes gets around and he's a pretty smart fellow. He called about 3 days ago and said he'd had that flu thing, similar to what John Bedini had.....John said he drank lots of colloidal silver (about 4 ounces per day) to knock his out....Wes said he was down for about a month, but he's better now. I think he is onto something this time, have to forward that email to John, he'll already know about it, ain't much you can tell John Bedini where he hasn't 'been there, done that'........neat guys...Wes said when his phone bill went to $900 he couldn't pay it so now he has local calling but no long distance...he called me using a calling card....geez, need something to break to help out people with these things...Wes has always been a fount of information and very open to sharing it....he said he got a threat against himself and his family recently...a spook phone call talked about blowing up his car, killing him or his family through arranged accidents.....so he's backed down on one project that offered promise....hey, I keep telling him, dump it all in files and post it on several sites on the InterNet....but WORKING plans, not theories...though such PoPs as this magnetic field flipping are great teasers that I think could be macro engineered into something useful and perhaps even practical...;) -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 15:12:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09629; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:45:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:45:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:45:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803072245.OAA23132@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Tesla's world power grid Resent-Message-ID: <"aPC7f3.0.EM2.7uS0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4134 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:35 AM 3/7/98 -0500, Keith wrote: >Freeng: > >As many of you know, N. Tesla ultimately planned to transmit >the electrical energy generated at such sites as Niagara Falls >by means of a wireless transmission system. He described this >in the popular press as being much like shaking a bubble or >bag of water. The Tesla coil was designed to induce a resonant >effect in the radio cavity which consist of the earth (a >conductor), the air (an insulator) and the ionosphere (another >conductor). This cavity has a fundamental mode of oscillation >at about 7.5hz. He realized this fact at Colorado Springs >right at the turn of the century, check out his Colorado >Springs notes for a very detailed account. He was playing >with sensitive detector circuits for radio, during a lightning >storm when he noticed standing wave effects as the storm >past. These he refers to as "stationary waves" in the text. > I thought his Tesla coils operated at high frequency, several hundred kHz, at least. Thus I don't see the connection with the very low freqiency 7.5 Hz earth-ionosphere resonances. (The time a radio wave travels around the earth) Could someone please give an explanation on how they would couple? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 15:22:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20593; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:58:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:58:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3501CE2C.4001@microtec.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:46:04 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: About the Johnson's motor References: <19980307.130502.6486.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ycJDm.0.f15.S4T0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4135 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephen L Heckman wrote: > I have a book called "Free Energy Secrets" that has some info on the > Johnson Motor. > What you may be interested in is a simple experiment with a "linear" > Johnson motor. > > If would like a copy I can mail it to you. Just send me your mailing > address in a private e-mail. Please, i would be very interested in receiving a copy. thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 15:21:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13911; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:02:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:02:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:02:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803072302.PAA10839@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? Resent-Message-ID: <"PpXB12.0.HP3.O8T0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, At 02:57 AM 3/7/98 -0800, Jerry wrote: >Hi Folks! > >This is an email I sent to a friend and researcher; > >> Well, better to try and fail....this info was shared courtesy of Wes >> Crosiar..so thank him if you have occasion to communicate...he's been >> ill with a flu and is better now... > >> Something odd you might be interested in...a fellow (Wes) says you >> can take a magnet, like a cylinder or bar....put a thick metal piece >> on one pole (doesn't matter)....then bring a similar magnet close to >> the metal plate so that the approaching pole is identical to the one >> it is moving near to. > >> As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, >> you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the >> plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will >> stick to the plate. I've noticed a similar thing with an electromagnet and a permanent magnet. The electromagnet is wound on a steel bolt. When like poles are brought together, there is repulsion, then attraction at closer distances. Of course, if you then pushed the PM away slightly, it would jump away, flip over, and stick back onto the bolt, almost too fast to see. I always thought it was the PM fields becoming stronger in the steel than the coil windings, then the domains switched to the stronger field. Will look at it again. I also tried starting with the electromagnet current at zero, and seeing how much is required to repel the PM. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 15:34:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26095; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:27:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:27:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3501AE23.8BE@gorge.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:29:24 -0800 From: tom@gorge.net (Tom Miller) Reply-To: tom@gorge.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: thermo generator! References: <199803060734.XAA22358@mx1.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gS6vq1.0.ZN6.cVT0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Paula wrote: > Help may be on the way....take a look at this sight for a 5kw thermoelectric > generator... > anyone have any ideas on the efficiencty....claimed 12 percent, working toward 20 > percent... > > http://www.jademountain.com/genmotchg.html If this isn't a hoax, or vaporware, IMHO it is **VERY** important!! The Jade Mountain site has very little info; I have emailed them for more. If anyone has any more info, please post it, or at least send it to me. If real, this could be the beginning of real alternative energy. Tom Miller From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 16:16:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04614; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:14:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:14:46 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:05:21 -0800 Subject: Schnurer Superconductor Space Drive Message-ID: <19980307.160600.11934.2.tv@juno.com> References: <19980307011736.25205bd2.in@pop3.vossnet.de> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,6-7,10,12-13,15-17,28-48 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"AvhKC2.0.081.qBU0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Schnurers results are very exciting because it leads to many possiblilities for energy and propulsion. I wonder if the inertia varies as well as the gravitational mass when John turns on the three-phase power to the coils under his superconductor ? A mass with a variable inertia would be a great space drive, just spin the variable inertial mass on the edge of a disk and vary the inertia in phase with the rotation. This would produce an unidirectional force. Three such disks would give full vectored thrust in any direction desired. A free energy device connected to one of these drives and it would be better than Star Trek, no anti-matter to blow up ! :-) This reminds me of a first hand story a fellow told me years ago who worked as a lineman for the electric utility company that feeds power to the Groom Lake facilities. In the 1970's, he was working inside the restricted area on some high tension lines feeding area 51and claimed he saw a flying saucer tested in daylight. It seemed to be unstable and went down behind some hills. It presumably had malfunctioned in some kind of emergency and was forced to land before it could return to its hangar. Later the lineman was in a building near a road and saw it go by on back of a truck-trailer rig under a tarp cover. He said the "saucer" was connected to cryogenic tanks that were frosted on the outside. >But now it seems everyone will use John Schnurer´s idea >of the rotating magnetic fields under the disc like he showed >it in the RealVideo at: >www.overunity.com/movies/schnurer.rm >Hope this helps ! >I wonder, how much this effect could be scaled up in the next few >months ? >Would there be more gravity reduction when using bigger and thicker >discs ? What if one cools it down to almost 0 Kelvin ? >What if the frequency of the rotating magnetic field is increase >or the power to the fields ? >Regards, STefan. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 16:26:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00744; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:13:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:13:10 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:22:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? Message-ID: <19980307.160600.11934.1.tv@juno.com> References: <35012834.2F51@keelynet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11,13-18,20,22-29 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"2yGZL3.0.TB.KAU0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com said: > As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, > you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the > plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will > stick to the plate. > . . . . . > He believes this is the key to the Sweet device, the Minato > self-driven magnetic wheel and other devices....it is almost exactly > what Wesley Gary said happened with his magnetic 'neutral line'..... This sounds exactly like the Wesley Gary Neutral line. Another way of ordering fluctuation energy using the self organizing properties of ferromagnetic spins. I posted a copy of article 1879 article about Wesley Gary on Geocities at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810 I have never heard of anyone giving a serious attempt at replicating Wesley Gary's work. When I saw Greg Watson's SMOT, I thought that it was a better way to go, but it seems just as tricky to adjust. Hmmm... Thanks for the insight Jerry and Wes ! Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 18:23:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19292; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:20:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:20:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3501D932.3EA2@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:33:06 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Answer to Bob References: <19980307162152.18328.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4kkba1.0.Mj4.d1W0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Chris! To be on the list of researchers, you need to provide more information as stated in the netlist file. That means your city, state, 3 primary interests, etc....check out the list and you will see why the format is necessary... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 18:36:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21265; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:34:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:34:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3502037A.89D274A2@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:33:30 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flipping Magnetic Fields?? References: <199803072302.PAA10839@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mSIIE2.0.9C5.0FW0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Reminds me of a patent by John Ecklin, Lets see if I can find the patent number..... Found it, And it's at ibm's patent server http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?patent_number=3%2C879%2C622 http://www.patents.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/3879622 pat 3879622 John Berry dave dameron wrote: > Hi All, > At 02:57 AM 3/7/98 -0800, Jerry wrote: > >Hi Folks! > > > >This is an email I sent to a friend and researcher; > > > >> Well, better to try and fail....this info was shared courtesy of Wes > >> Crosiar..so thank him if you have occasion to communicate...he's been > >> ill with a flu and is better now... > > > >> Something odd you might be interested in...a fellow (Wes) says you > >> can take a magnet, like a cylinder or bar....put a thick metal piece > >> on one pole (doesn't matter)....then bring a similar magnet close to > >> the metal plate so that the approaching pole is identical to the one > >> it is moving near to. > > > >> As I am told, when you slowly move the magnet towards the metal plate, > >> you will find the magnets repel until right before you get to the > >> plate...then all of sudden, it will attract and both magnets will > >> stick to the plate. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 18:42:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26921; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:40:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:40:22 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:12:52 -0500 Subject: Re: attention Rick: capacitor experiments Message-ID: <19980307.161648.6486.9.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8,10,12-14,16-18,20,22-26,29-31 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"yq9M.0.Za6.LKW0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:40:06 EST Ro Conroy writes: >In a message dated 98-03-05 09:41:01 EST, Anton you wrote: > > >I have built several modified icosidodecahedrons domes, Archimedean >solid, the base compound of both the Platonic icosahedron and dodecahedron, and >there is a physical sensation felt at the center point of the structures. The >main chord length of the structures is one unit if the radius is Tau units, >or the golden section, otherwise known as the mean proportion. > It would be interesting to "map" out the inside of a pyramyd, or other shape, with some sort of scalar detector. Also, another point.....based on what Rick this: >I think an ORAC is an "orgone accumulator". Orgone accumulators are layered boxes invented by Wilhelm Reich and are supposed to accumulate some sort of organic energy he called orgone. There's been quite a bit of interest and research by the "fringe" (people like me!) on this stuff over the years. Web search on his name to get some sites to explain it all.< I have a book at home about pyramyd power, it mentioned that aluminum sheets could sheild the effect. If someone has tried using aluminum foil in making an "ORAC", it may work better if something else was used. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 18:42:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26880; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:40:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:40:18 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:46:19 -0500 Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Message-ID: <19980307.161649.6486.11.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <000201bd4862$b3d7c860$a8ec060c@davelook> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-11,14-15,19-20,27-28,30,36-37,40-44 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"6Gb3g1.0.nZ6.GKW0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:13:26 -0500 "davelook" writes: >>******I have a feeling that 1 and 4 may be pretty much the same**** > >Could there be a such thing as "Gravity Scalar Waves", which are >blocked or absorbed by spinning superconductors? > >>Steve Heckman >> >Dave L. > I don't know. I plan to get Bearden's book "Gravitobiology" (my one indulgance with my tax refund this year). Perhaps that will answer a few nagging questions. Case in point: Gravitation arrises from mass. Mass (electrons and positrons) can be created from high energy photons (gamma rays, I believe). Electrical forces are the result of virtual particle (photons) exchange. Somehow this all ties together. One thing that popped in my mind. Bearden states the scalar component remains when two transverse waves cancel, using quaternoin-based math (vector math results in zero). We produce scalar effects using translators such as bifilar coils to create the required cancellation. (BTW, I have seen the quaternion site but I would loke to see the actual maxwell equation worked out that shows the scalar component left over when two waves cancel out). My question would be this....do we need true E-B fields in the scalar translator (from RF) or do plain H fields create a scalar field also. More precisely, would two permenant magnets n-pole to n-pole create a true scalar field? Or would 60 Hz run through a bifilar scalar translator create one? I starting to think not to the perm. magnet, a perhaps a very week one with 60 Hz (which is a radio freq with an extremely long wavelenght). To me it appears we want to canx. a true transverse wave to create a scalar potential. Thus RF or fast pulses (ie, from strobe power supplies) may be necessary for scalar effects to be seen. Any comments? Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 20:16:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01690; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:07:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:07:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:08:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199803080408.FAA12387@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Shocking news from Greg Watson : Epitaxy died ! Resent-Message-ID: <"DplUA3.0.EQ.HcX0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>From gwatson@microtronics.com.au Fri Mar 06 23:48:12 1998 >Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:22:13 +1030 >From: Greg Watson >Organization: Greg Watson Consulting >To: Stefan Hartmann >Subject: [Fwd: Epitaxy] > >Hi Stefan, > >Much has happened in the last few week. > >Evan Soule stopped by. We shared lunch and much talk. I explained how >I believe the BIG Newman motor works. > >I am getting a new system up at present. My other system is in the lab >facility that the Dmec guys set-up. I am presently locked out and the >lawyers are getting rich. The Dmec deal is a mess. > >If you want a refund, please send me your address and I will post a bank >cheque to you. I do have some of the original 4 linked SMOT kits in a >box I found in by shed. Everything else is in the lab facility that I >am currently locked out of. Let me know what you want to do. > >I received the attached email about Epitaxy (Bruce). I am very shocked >at his death. We worked closely on his SMOT rollaround duplication. >The last time I spoke to Bruce, he was working on a RMOG (round wheel >with many balls) replication. His death has really spooked me, I hope >our joint research was not to blame. > >I was suprised to learn of your RMOD project. If I can help, I will. >My latest RMOG design is very different than what is published. I now >know a LOT more about what is going on. I guess the $80k worth of Dmec >supplied equipment has helped. > >I really wish I could say more, but I am walking a knife edge at >present. I thought I knew these guys. Was I wrong. > >Hang in there. EM based OU is real. > >I am working on a series of thought experiments (with Evan's permission) >which will show HOW and WHY Joe's big motor is OU. They will be >published on Joe's site and Vortex/Freenrg. Should cause a few Joe >haters some discomfort. > > >My very best regards, > Greg >From: ....... >To: >Subject: Epitaxy >Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 > >I have been going through the list archive from some time ago and noticed >some questions about Epitaxy. > >I am sorry to inform you that Bruce died in Graz, Austria on July 24th,1997 >in a car accident while driving under influence of alcohol. Bruce never >drank in his life, he was a strict abstinent. He was 26 years old. > >I know that you were his remote friend and shared some wonderful ideas and he >would have wanted you to know. > > >xxxxxxx > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 7 21:20:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19909; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:18:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:18:28 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <65842534.350229e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:17:26 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: For your info. on bubble switch (Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"4lIFO1.0.-s4.ZeY0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com You people may already know this, but about a year back, I took a iron bar, 3/4" x 3/8" x 4" and placed a 1" dia. rare earth bar magnet to the 3/4" side at the end of the bar's length. As you know, it will pull a piece of iron to the long end of the bar opposite the placed magnet. If you place a like magnet of opposite polarity directly across from the first magnet with the bar between the two, the flux is directed straight from magnet to magnet, and the flux that ran the length of the bar, goes away and the iron bar drops off. No big deal. I then pulled one magnet of and turned it around so that it's pole was in repulsion to the one remaining on the bar. I picked up the small iron piece as before and measured the attraction force "by hand". Then I forced the magnet in repulsion to flush up with the bar. It acted the way everyone has said before, when it got close to the bar it went into the attraction mode. What else I found was, the small iron piece at the end of the bar now took twice as much force to pull off. There are very interesting things going on here if you start looking at different configurations with the magnet that moves in and out attached to a balance system to store energy for removing the magnet and in the repulsion mode, well, 1/2 of a balance system is a repulsion mode. But I talk about that later only if it works. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 07:14:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01196; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:12:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:12:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: tom X-Sender: geotek@bingsun2 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gravity Article! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GWlkX2.0.ZI.oLh0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A few days ago, I memtioned a gravity loss article featured in 'Wired' magazine. Here is a bit of info. Eugene Podkletnov,while testing superconducting ceramic disk by rotating it above powerfull electromagnets found something strange. He notice small objects above the disk seemed to lose weight,as if they were being shielded from the pull of gravity. The weight reduction about two percent. The article also memtions others research such as Schnurer,Woodward and NASA have discovered similar results of mass reduction. From the artice: The equipment used for demonstrating could be as simple as: Obtain a high tech ceramic capacitor and attach it to the terminals of an audio amplifier with a steady tone fed to the amplifier. At the same time,using some type of loadspeaker to vibrate the capacitor up and down. According to Woodward, The capacitor's mass will vary at twice the frequency of the signal,so you will need a circuit called a frequency doubler to drive your vibrator at the correct rate. If the vibrator lifts the capacitor while its momentarily lighter and drops while it's heavier,you achieve an average mass reduction. For additition info and Web sites check out the following: Pete Skegg's Gravity info:www.inetarena.com/noetic/pls/gravity.html James Woodward site: www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw83.html Antigravity Mailing List: www.in-search-of.com/ Josh Schnures's Gravity soceity: www.gravity.org/ NASA's New Breakthough Propulsion:www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/ Hope this info is useful! Tom From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 07:27:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03390; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:26:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:26:12 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:26:00 -0500 (EST) From: tom X-Sender: geotek@bingsun1 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gravity Website List Correction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"p1ESt.0.qq.HYh0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The Gravity/weight loss listing for Pete Skegg's Gravity site should read: www.inetarena.com/~noetic/pls/gravity.html Sorry Tom From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 08:17:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06366; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:13:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:13:59 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:07:13 -0800 Subject: RE: Shock news from Greg Watson: Epitaxy died Message-ID: <19980308.080716.3502.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-16,18-20,22-25,27-29 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"6D4tf.0.NZ1.2Fi0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com More sad news. Seemed like Epitaxy (Bruce) was an honest experimenter from his posts to this list. His iron powder filled glass ball was an original idea and clever solution to magnetic retention problem of the SMOT balls. Epitaxy was the only other person other than Greg to report a rollaround on a SMOT. Wasn't Stefan Marinov from Graz, Austria also ? Who reported this ? >From: ....... >To: >Subject: Epitaxy >Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 > >I have been going through the list archive from some time ago and noticed >some questions about Epitaxy. > >I am sorry to inform you that Bruce died in Graz, Austria on July 24th,1997 >in a car accident while driving under influence of alcohol. Bruce never >drank in his life, he was a strict abstinent. He was 26 years old. > >I know that you were his remote friend and shared some wonderful ideas and he >would have wanted you to know. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 08:48:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24941; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:44:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:44:57 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980303005418.007b87a0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:28:29 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. Resent-Message-ID: <"E6LwK2.0.Y56.7ii0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >(off topic?) > >On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 trknute@earthlink.net wrote: >-SNIP- >> The fact that you have never traveled more, than ten miles, from any large >> City, is most evident in your arguments. The simple fact is that more then >> 75% of all people living on this planet, have no running water, indoor >> plumbing, and DO LIVE, more than 40 miles from what we might loosely call a >> power grid. They freeze, starve, and often die of diseases that can are >> directly attributed to poor drinking water. >-snip- > >Does anyone have a sugestion for one of the 'better' ways to convert fire >to electricity. In the summer-times here I find myself 40-60 miles from >any grid for months on end. Old Man Coleman Latern is really pushed to the >limits. There is coal in northern colorado but little WATER. I had made a >little steam generator to set on a campfire, but this replenshing of it's >kettle water was at best no good. >----- >would two plates (metal) in/under a camp-fire prove workable? >hotter the fire .. brighter the light? Check into Stirling Engines. I am working on a very low-tech easy to build design, but it won't be ready for several weeks... >----- >or tub_ular fire container? >----- >chimney flue with paddle-wheel near top? >----- >thoughts? > >rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( > >Just fire-side thinking (smile) > >-=se=- Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 08:55:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11939; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:46:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:46:25 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44af567e.34ff2453@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:31:46 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. Resent-Message-ID: <"qobOT1.0.Qw2.Tji0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4150 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >In a message dated 3/5/98 2:37:12 PM Central Standard Time, ekwall2@diac.com >writes: > >> rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} >> : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up >> : have 110ac (will travel) in truck, not always near-by :( >> >> Just fire-side thinking (smile) >Steve, >The most amazing conversion of heat to power I have ever seen (low budget) is >this, >After the US forces pulled out of Vietnam, the people there found that they we >stuck with no source of fuel for their car, bus, truck, ect.. They took a >steel drum and burned coal, wood, any type of fuel "organic" in nature. From >these fuels, a gas or gases would be a by-product and to my amazement they >would some way, run a car, bus, truck, any internal combustion engine >(gasoline) powered device. I will research more for you if you want on this. >If you could get an used 4 cylinder or 8 cylinder and connect it to an AC >generator, you could power the whole country side! All you would need for fuel >is, coal, wood, compost, ect. >Do you want me to research this, as I saw it on the network news years ago and >I like to think I could dig up the info. It showed a bus and a guy putting >wood in the hopper and the bus just took off like it had 100 octane in it. >Let me know. >Butch LaFonte >Note: You could also use only a 1 cylinder lawnmower type engine if wanted. >You might want to think about starting your own power company! (just kidding) This was quite a common method during World War II here in the U.S. It is simply burning the hydrocarbons from incomplete combustion of the original wood or coal. Not very efficient use of resources unless the heat from the original combustion is used. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 08:57:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13741; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:53:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:53:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980308123725.0058d798@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:37:28 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Tesla's world power grid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"B2mCY3.0.cM3.Sqi0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:45 PM 3/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >I thought his Tesla coils operated at high frequency, several hundred kHz, >at least. Thus I don't see the connection with the very low freqiency 7.5 Hz >earth-ionosphere resonances. (The time a radio wave travels around the >earth) Could someone please give an explanation on how they would couple? >-Dave > The "stationary waves" Tesla measured had wavelengths in the range of miles. So the frequencies were very high harmonics of the lowest order mode (7.5hz). However, he claimed to have studied the effect over a wide range. I should go out and buy the Colorado Springs notes, I used to have easy access to the book a few years back. You have to bear in mind that these are notebooks and not textbooks; also the Tesla museum in Yugoslavia has removed a large section concerning these studies from the notebooks. A note appears in the published book mentioning the ommision. Someone must have thought this was too valuable a study to release publicly. Pity, they certainly didn't benefit from the knowledge... I'm tempted to do a little hand waving and say that by mixing two RF waves, the beat frequency can be used to excite the low order modes. For example, 100000hz and 100007.5hz producing the 7.5hz beat. For this to work, there must be some nonlinearity in the cavities response to couple the energy. Hardly a stretch considering how nonlinear a plasma like the ionosphere would be.But I'll have to re-read the notes. Please do the same, you will not regret it. KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 10:03:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08066; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:57:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:57:01 -0800 Message-ID: <001501bd4ab2$a78cd260$9fec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: "Zadkin Mangin" , "Tom Bruno" , "Todd Knudtson" , "Steve Fowler" , "Randy Champagne" , "Peter Bros" , "Karl Krueger" , "Jenny Pike" , "Cary Johnson" , Subject: Re: Gravity Article! Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:51:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"lq5ad1.0.tz1.hlj0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tom, Thanks for the info on the "Wired" gravity article! I looked up the URL's and subscribed to the In Search Of List. (The 1st URL didn't work) I'd like to make some observations from the article at http://www.gravity.org/msu.html "....the air over the cryostat began to rise slowly toward the ceiling. Particles of dust and smoke in the air made the effect clearly visible. The boundaries of the flow could be seen clearly and corresponded exactly to the shape of the toroid." AND.... "We also observed a slight diminution of the air pressure inside the shielding cylinder. The difference between the external and the internal pressure was up to 5 mm of mercury in stationary conditions (disk rotating at 4000-5000 rpm) and increased up to 8 mm of mercury during the "braking" phase. Pressures were measured through a vacuum chamber barometer. We believe that the diminution of the pressure inside the shielding cylinder is originated by the pseudo-convective motion of the air, which being lighter tends to raise. This phenomenon is favoured by the fact that an entire cylinder of air get lighter at the same time and thus the ascending motion is amplified. " ***Let's say the experiment happened as reported. They've used anti-gravity to create a cylinder of low-pressure air. We also know that jumbo jets use a low-pressure region above the wing to keep it's enormous weight aloft. If you could create a VERY LOW-pressure region above a craft "on-the fly", wouldn't the craft be "sucked-up" extremely quickly? And couldn't you cause the craft to hover by adjusting the amount of gravity shielding? As soon as you want to vacate the area, you crank the shielding up to 100%. All the pressure of the air below your craft blows you upward extremely fast, accompanied by a whooshing sound. An added benefit of 100% shielding *MAY* be the canceling of the effects of inertia, enabling you NOT to be splattered against the floor of your craft! Also, wouldn't the craft's ideal shape be a disk, to accommodate a smooth ride up the cylinder created by your craft? Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 11:02:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22171; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:59:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:59:06 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD4A91.B7E9AD20@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-L@eskimo.com'" Subject: Resonant frequency Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:57:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mi8Nr1.0.KQ5.vfk0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all: A simple question, How is it possible to determine the resonant frequency of a toroid coil? I need to know this for an upcoming experiment. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 11:41:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA30551; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:37:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:37:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:37:13 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gravity Article! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"J3i3z.0.CT7.jDl0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, tom wrote: > A few days ago, I memtioned a gravity loss article featured in 'Wired' > magazine. Here is a bit of info. Great article! BTW, it's spelled JOHN SCHNURER. John's a regular on the other list here. Also on ANTIGRAVITY list, which unfortunately didn't get a mention in the Wired article. The Wired author seems confused. In describing John's demo, he seemed to be implying that the temperature, wetness, etc., of the superconductor pellet was affecting the measured weight of the pellet. OF COURSE IT DOES! BUT THAT'S IDIOTIC! Who cares how much the pelle weighs? The whole point is to measure the weight of the GLASS RODS TEST MASS. Who cares how much liquid nitrogen is dripping off the superconductor? Unless I'm confused, it sounds like that author is dismissing John's demos while also showing his own incompetence at judging even such a simple demo. What am I missing here? But overall, that author adopted a critical attitude... towards the skeptics and the authorities! He did real research, rather than just finding a mainstream expert and then accepting their pronouncements as gospel. A rare exception, and always nice to see it happen. Also I love to see articles which have picked up concepts I'm pushing. "Antigravity Underground" for example. The Wired author must have spent time on my ANTIGRAVITY UNDERGROUND, http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/antigrav.html Little mind viruses which spread, heh heh... ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 12:57:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22006; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:53:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:53:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01c901bd4aca$97de0100$9fec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:34:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"xNISz3.0.hN5.lKm0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ><< (Ever > wonder why an energized coil produces the same effect as a magnet?) >> >Dave, >This should be good reading, >Thanks, >Butch > Yes, it's a great book!!! (.."LIGHT: Replacing Three Centuries of Misconceptions" ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 13:12:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23673; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01da01bd4acc$3644bc20$9fec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Question, does magnetic circuit have to be closed? Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"bOGEw.0.nn5.NSm0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >sounds a lot like joe newman's theories Yea, I guess so in some ways. However, Peter Bros goes much further in tying in electrons with other phenomena. Especially interesting is his explanation of how electrons can be emitted in a structured way, producing light. He gives a great explanation of the Young 2-slit experiment. Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 13:41:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00201; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:37:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:37:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35030C7A.41C7@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:24:10 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: PERMANENT MAGNETS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9t47C2.0.33.xzm0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I'm looking for a permanent magnet supplier that can supply disk magnets that are made of metal powder embeded in rubber. You know, a rubber disk magnet. One face of the disk must be north and the other one must be south. It IS IMPORTANT that I can CUT THE DISK with a normal knife. thank you patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 14:02:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08668; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:59:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:59:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:17:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199803082117.WAA22829@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Epitaxy died ! Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA08608 Resent-Message-ID: <"9HIx11.0.G72.BJn0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have already called Epitaxy´s widow and she will email me more infos, she said. Here is a new email from Greg. Hi Stephan, Its ok to post the full message to Freenrg & Vortex about Bruce (Epitaxy) I sent you. Just put in place of the actual phone number. I am asking you to do this as I have changed hard disks and lost the original message. Thanks, Greg >From: ....... >To: >Subject: Epitaxy >Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 > >I have been going through the list archive from some time ago and noticed >some questions about Epitaxy. > >I am sorry to inform you that Bruce died in Graz, Austria on July 24th,1997 >in a car accident while driving under influence of alcohol. Bruce never >drank in his life, he was a strict abstinent. He was 26 years old. > >I know that you were his remote friend and shared some wonderful ideas and he >would have wanted you to know. > >Don't reply to me, you can contact his widow if you want more info at number available> I have already called her and she will email me more infos, she said. > >xxxxxxx > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 14:11:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05256; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350330AB.35C1@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:58:35 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Caduceus Capacitor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8hF471.0.2I1.nQn0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! The following email was sent to me and I thought folks here would be as intrigued by it as I was. Any ideas on how such a Caduceus Capacitor would be built, i.e. shape, construction details? ---- You sent me an email with only the following comment; > Check out a Caduceus capacitor tune the dielectric to desired > dielectric saturation point and D.C. power supply for desired lift Are you saying you've done this?? What is a Caduceus capacitor? I mean what form does it take? I remember the Caduceus file where a ferrite rod is wrapped with Smith type (45 degree angle) coil windings. The claim is that an energy beam (scalar?) is emitted from it. There is a paper online about using stacked disks (with a hole in the middle) and dielectrics that you can use to entrain and direct aether to produce thrust...it is referred to as an 'electric rocket'...requires high voltage applied to this stacked capacitor network. It is on Bill Beaty's site ( http://www.eskimo.com/~billb ) but I don't recall the URL. Are you implying that using a Caduceus 'capacitor' will also produce such a thrust when powered by a DC power supply. Does that DC have to be high voltage as with TT Brown and DeSeversky? If you would send some description of how this 'Caduceus Capacitor' is constructed, I would appreciate it....thanks! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 16:17:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09756; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:11:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:11:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3503338B.D9199AD1@bway.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:10:51 -0500 From: Khem Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caduceus Capacitor References: <350330AB.35C1@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VixV_3.0.MO2.BFp0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4160 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > The following email was sent to me and I thought folks here would be as > intrigued by it as I was. Any ideas on how such a Caduceus Capacitor > would be built, i.e. shape, construction details? At a guess, the geometry sounds similar to that of a 'Moebius Resistor'. -Khem From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 16:29:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12059; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:23:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:23:30 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <3f7d219e.35033653@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:22:41 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (Butch)Bubble sw. with balance system, (Attached file) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_889402961_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"P8swa1.0.By2._Pp0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_889402961_boundary Content-ID: <0_889402961@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The attached drawing shows a bubble switch with a balance system incorporated to allow possible movement of magnets to and from the ferrite bar with very little work. The lose ferrite block is lifted to the bar and dropped as the magnets move in and out. The lower right small magnet is a role of small magnets so that their flux lines do not extend as far as the larger magnet above it and it only comes into play as the bubble switch goes from repulsion to attraction. I have built balance systems and have video of their operation. They do work! Putting one in combination with a bubble switch is new to me. I am building prototype and will do quickfield sims first and do some thinking on getting the different magnets the right strength to balance out the system. The point of the balance system is to allow you to move the magnets in and out without having to put in much work at all. This is because the attraction and repulsion forces cancel each other out. This is old tech. in most circles, but I don't know of it incorporated into a bubble switch. I will let you know what my little group finds from this research. 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Mar 1998 16:32:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <503ffba1.3503380d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:30:02 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Minor correction on bubble sw. gif (Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"57gN61.0.MI6.9Yp0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The path between the two magnets at the top (bubble switch) shows flux going from right to left in dashed lines after magnet is flush. This is a goof , I meant to show the flux lines of both magnets going down in combination to the bottom of the bar. Sorry, got in hurry. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 16:49:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17926; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:45:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:45:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:44:15 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. In-Reply-To: <19980307.161648.6486.10.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ibywg.0.yN4.ekp0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Stephen L Heckman wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:23:38 -0700 (MST) Steve Ekwall > writes: > > >thoughts? > > > >rem: have wood / no water (to spare) :} > > : solar good only for minimal radio/tel back-up > > : have 110ac in truck, not always near-by :( > > > >Just fire-side thinking (smile) > > > >-=se=- > > > > > Just one thought...have you considered using a radiator-type setup as a > condensor and reuse the same water in a closed loop? Make sure you have a > pressure release valve though. > > Steve Heckman > That sounds like a good old reliable boiler system, if it was light enough the yes, just remember I was originally asking for something that could be carried in or set-up at a camp-site camp-fire (miles from any road) after walking in. I just keep looking at all the 'potential' coming out of that fire and thought we should be able to get electricity (short of steam to generators) from it. Thanks for your reply though.. If there is a small enough boiler that can re-loop and provide 100w-1500w then carry it may be worth it. -=se=- ekwall2@diac.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 18:13:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02409; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:10:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:10:39 -0800 From: atech@ix.netcom.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980308211148.00b688ec@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:11:48 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caduceus Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"FJBnH2.0.Tb.T-q0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jerry; At 03:58 PM 3/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Folks! > >The following email was sent to me and I thought folks here would be as >intrigued by it as I was. Any ideas on how such a Caduceus Capacitor >would be built, i.e. shape, construction details? >---- >You sent me an email with only the following comment; >> Check out a Caduceus capacitor tune the dielectric to desired >> dielectric saturation point and D.C. power supply for desired lift > >Are you saying you've done this?? What is a Caduceus capacitor? I mean >what form does it take? > >I remember the Caduceus file where a ferrite rod is wrapped with Smith >type (45 degree angle) coil windings. The claim is that an energy beam >(scalar?) is emitted from it. > >There is a paper online about using stacked disks (with a hole in the >middle) and dielectrics that you can use to entrain and direct aether to >produce thrust...it is referred to as an 'electric rocket'...requires >high voltage applied to this stacked capacitor network. It is on Bill >Beaty's site ( http://www.eskimo.com/~billb ) but I don't recall the URL. > >Are you implying that using a Caduceus 'capacitor' will also produce such >a thrust when powered by a DC power supply. Does that DC have to be high >voltage as with TT Brown and DeSeversky? > >If you would send some description of how this 'Caduceus Capacitor' is >constructed, I would appreciate it....thanks! I believe that there's a patent on a mobius capacitor. It's similar to the mobius resistor patent. Regards; Dennis Lee Tall Ship Images - Proceeds will fund the Piano Factory Art Foundation http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Please Support The Arts From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 18:44:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07920; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:40:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:40:34 -0800 From: atech@ix.netcom.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980308214138.00b78c80@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:41:38 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caduceus Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"s3cR02.0.gx1.WQr0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jerry; I think a higher degree of curvature is involved with the mobius capacitor as opposed to a TTBrown or DeSeversky asymmetrical electrode pair. High voltage probably wouldn't be bad though. I believe that the Manual of Free Energy Devices and Systems has an account of a mobius capacitor in terms of weight reduction. Regards; Dennis C. Lee >Are you implying that using a Caduceus 'capacitor' will also produce such >a thrust when powered by a DC power supply. Does that DC have to be high >voltage as with TT Brown and DeSeversky? > Tall Ship Images - Proceeds will fund the Piano Factory Art Foundation http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Please Support The Arts From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 19:12:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14709; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:08:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35037745.7AB@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:59:49 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caduceus Capacitor References: <350330AB.35C1@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AUiYF2.0.kb3.7rr0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! With regard to the email about; > Check out a Caduceus capacitor tune the dielectric to desired > dielectric saturation point and D.C. power supply for desired lift I did a lookup for caduceus, moebius and mobius and found the following two items; Twisted Wire Non-inductive resistor http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?patent_number=3727166 ABSTRACT: A noninductive resistor is provided which includes supply and return insulated wires twisted together with one end each having the wires integrally connected and the other ends including respective electrical terminals. Part of the insulation may be removed so that a contact arm may slide therealong for resistor adjustment. The twisted resistor may be wound around a toroidal base for use. Mobius Capacitor http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?patent_number=4599586 ABSTRACT: An electric element, utilizing a capacitive enclosure of a mobius strip and the spacial phenomenon thereof, to measure voltage and phase differences of input signals or to act as a filter to attenuate current flow of a resonant frequency and the harmonics of that frequency while passing intermediate frequencies. NASA had the first patent for a non-inductive resistor based on a Mobius topology back about 1966. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 19:32:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17675; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:27:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:27:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: coal_man FIRE/elect. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Rnuu92.0.5K4.d6s0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Steve Ekwall wrote: > > I just keep looking at all the 'potential' coming out of that fire and > thought we should be able to get electricity (short of steam to > generators) from it. Thanks for your reply though.. If there is a small > enough boiler that can re-loop and provide 100w-1500w then carry it may be > worth it. Steve: Here's some more fireside speculation... Ever heard of the "Rijke Tube"? This is a classic physics demo: a hollow tube with a metal mesh screen fastened inside across the diameter, with the screen positioned half way between the center of the tube and the end. Heat the screen red hot, hold the tube vertically so that cold air enters the bottom, and the tube breaks into a VERY LOUD howl at the fundamental resonance. Direct conversion of temp-diff to sound. Convection is required to maintain cold air below the screen, hot air just above. I suspect that a cold screen and hot gas should do the same. Cool the screen with solid connections to an external radiator, or use passive "heat pipe" devices. >From what I understand of this, the Rijke Tube is a pistonless Stirling engine where air is the piston and the "cold end". It is the "NASA Acoustic Refrigerator", but run backwards. Next conceptual leap: Tesla's earthquake generator. The original purpose of the TEG was not to shake buildings, it was a steam electric generator. Feed it steam, the piston oscillates. Run the piston at 60HZ, use a magnet as a piston, wrap a big coil around it, and out comes clean sinusoidal AC. Or inside-out, use a low-mass voicecoil and a surrounding magnet, like a loudspeaker used as a generator. Mix it all together and pour it into a "mental mold", and you have: Rijke tube section, driven by hot flue gasses and heatpipe-cooled screen, breaks into intense sound oscillation. AC sound pressure drives a thin piston which carries a light strong voice coil. Big neodymium magnet assembly forces the voicecoil to put out tens of watts of clean AC. No water, no steam. Just need to figure out how to couple sound out of it to the voicecoil, without taking smoke-filled 700F gas with it. ANd you'll have to wear earplugs while listening to your fireplace-powered stereo system, at least until you figure out how to seal off the 60hz or 120hz acoustic leakage. Sound interesting? One moving part only (though it probably needs a feedback controller to regulate the output voltage.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 20:37:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02083; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:34:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:34:54 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980308123725.0058d798@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:32:06 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Tesla's world power grid Resent-Message-ID: <"9NUsu1.0.SW.g5t0r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Keith - > Who cares how much liquid nitrogen is dripping off > the superconductor? Both the target mass, the SC disc, and the field coils were taped or confined together in a tube or something, and the whole mass was weighed together in the air after being lifted out of the LN2. Evaporation and dripping would clearly be a problem. Schnurer's best bet was with the whole mass completely immersed, where he claims that there was no bubbling at the time where some weight loss was observed. Either way there could be some reasonable room for suspicion that loss of mass in the former case and buoyancy or currents in the latter might have given false reads. I don't know that they did, and maybe John did get real results. But IMO the reporter probably can't be considered *terribly* off base in his article, even if he did actually get it wrong. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 8 21:20:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05662; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:14:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:14:23 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <5aa8b5a8.35037a8a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:13:44 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Correction for butch211.gif Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_889420424_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z9Jg52.0.NO1.kgt0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_889420424_boundary Content-ID: 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(8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11350; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:50:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:50:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:50:31 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199803091250.EAA12483@slave1.aa.net> X-Sender: knuke@pop.aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@aa.net (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Announcement Resent-Message-ID: <"gOOjJ1.0.zm2.UM-0r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yo Bubbleheads, I just threw up a webpage, and I'm just about ready to float test my computer. It's only about a quarter of the way done, but you can get a good idea of what it will look like. I actually put it up a few days ago, and saw so many errors that I only let a few people know about it until most of the major blunders were fixed. If you are one of the few that I told about it, check it out again, and be sure to hit the reload button to get the latest version. For the rest of you, you can check it out at: http://www.aa.net/~knuke/ Have fun, and if you see any more errors, wait a week to tell me. I'm not going to fix anything else until I'm in a better mood. -Knuke From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 9 07:31:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04187; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:25:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:25:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: User? Become a dealer! 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Zhang Xiaoqing China - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 06:26:07 (PST) ------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 9 09:03:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12316; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:59 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <562aa59a.35041c9b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:45:13 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Slow lists Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"IvsXb1.0.503.4p11r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4172 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I can remember the different lists being this slow. Is someone having a party somewhere? Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 9 13:37:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11564; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:26:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:26:39 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:23:12 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Resonant frequency Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"OzPhc3.0.Zq2.yv51r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4173 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-08 14:01:23 EST, you write: << A simple question, How is it possible to determine the resonant frequency of a toroid coil? I need to know this for an upcoming experiment. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Kyle, I assume you mean a toroid with the capacitance being the distributed capacitance in the winding. Possibilities include: signal generator, resistor, and toroid in series and look for parallel resonance; and: run a current through the toroid, short the toroid, and with a coil around the toroid measure the decaying a-c signal on a scope (this can work in spite of most of the B field confined inside the toroid). It would be difficult to accurately predict the resonance from geometry, although someone somewhere may have tested enough different toroids to allow you to do this. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 9 17:01:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12922; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:01:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:01:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980309204633.00596880@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:46:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Tesla's world power grid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jnN-l1.0.f93.o391r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:32 PM 3/8/98 -1000, you wrote: >Keith - > > > Who cares how much liquid nitrogen is dripping off > > the superconductor? > >Both the target mass, the SC disc, and the field coils were taped or >confined together in a tube or something, and the whole mass was weighed >together in the air after being lifted out of the LN2. Evaporation and >dripping would clearly be a problem. Schnurer's best bet was with the whole >mass completely immersed, where he claims that there was no bubbling at the >time where some weight loss was observed. Either way there could be some >reasonable room for suspicion that loss of mass in the former case and >buoyancy or currents in the latter might have given false reads. I don't >know that they did, and maybe John did get real results. But IMO the >reporter probably can't be considered *terribly* off base in his article, >even if he did actually get it wrong. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > Uh, I think you mean Will here, if I'm not mistaken he posted this. But while we're on the subject, I believe you tried a replication of this experiment, eh? What was your experience? KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 9 19:48:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23289; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:48:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:48:36 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:46:14 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Test (DELETE) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"B05_G1.0.nh5.GWB1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 05:00:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA30414; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:00:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:00:04 -0800 From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:59:18 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: H. Johnson Motor animated simulation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"qUYJ51.0.5R7.JbJ1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4176 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, You will find an animated simulation of the Howard Johnson motor at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/jspmsim.htm Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 06:29:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13761; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:29:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:29:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19980310142855.25106.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:28:55 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: H. Johnson Motor animated simulation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"KCJL73.0.wM3.PvK1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Jean-Louis/All, After looking at the animated Qfield GIF, I don't see an obvious reason to be optimistic about this design...What am I missing? Looks to me like the trailing edge forces are still fairly strong...and the leading edge forces will still require force to rotate. Looks like the forces are balanced. What does the rest of the group think? What's your take Jean-Louis? ---JNaudin509 wrote: > You will find an animated simulation of the Howard Johnson motor at : > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/jspmsim.htm > All for now, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 07:37:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15232; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:36:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980309204633.00596880@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:45:11 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Tesla's world power grid Resent-Message-ID: <"UgL5-1.0.mj3.LuL1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Keith - > Uh, I think you mean Will here, if I'm not mistaken > he posted this. But while we're on the subject, I > believe you tried a replication of this experiment, > eh? What was your experience? Oops, sorry. I never tried to replicate it in just this way. I only weighed a target hanging over the SC. I tried both rotating the SC and rotating the fields (electric motor stator coils). I was very careful, had a balance sensitive enough to see a little bit of lint tossed onto the target mass, and used the same SC as John, but saw no changes at all across several good runs. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 08:13:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21025; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:12:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <398e76be.3505656b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:08:09 EST To: a_rager@yahoo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: H. Johnson Motor animated simulation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"RTin91.0.Q85.ePM1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 10/03/1998 16:31:32 , Anton Rager wrote : << What does the rest of the group think? What's your take Jean-Louis? >> Hi Anton, Have you read the main explanation about this ? at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/johnmot.htm Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 08:34:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11056; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:33:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:33:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:35:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199803101635.RAA01067@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Re : Re: H. Johnson Motor animated simulation Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id IAA10996 Resent-Message-ID: <"rXdF91.0.ci2.pjM1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:08 10.03.1998 EST, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >On 10/03/1998 16:31:32 , Anton Rager wrote : > ><< > What does the rest of the group think? What's your take Jean-Louis? > >> > >Hi Anton, > >Have you read the main explanation about this ? >at : >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/johnmot.htm > >Jean-Louis > > Hi JL, can you please store the single pics from the animation into an AVI file, so one can play it slowly ? The GIF animation is running too fast and can´t be stopped at every frame. Maybe you can just use 320x240 Indeo 3.2 or Cinepak to compress it to a smaller file size. Thanks ! regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 09:49:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07050; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:49:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <398ec25a.35057ca7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:47:16 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Has Johnson motor achieved self sustaining operation? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"b1RWd2.0.3k1.bqN1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jean-Louis, Do you know if Mr. Johnson has ever claimed self sustaining operation? No external power supply, no battery, no energy storage device (other than permanent magnets) ect.. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 13:53:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16999; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:52:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:52:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Pete Art" From: "Pete Art" To: "Multiple recipients of list Freenrg-l" Subject: Angels on a Pin Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:55:41 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd4c6f$44d91480$LocalHost@marvin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KS0nb.0.P94.oOR1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Angels on a Pin > > A Modern Parable > by Alexander Callandra > Saturday Review, Dec 21, 1968. > >Some time ago I received a call from a colleague who asked if I would >be the referee on the grading of an examination question. He was about >to give a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while >the student claimed he should receive a perfect score and would if the >system were not set up against the student: The instructor and the >student agreed to submit this to an impartial arbiter, and I was >selected. > >I went to my colleague's office and read the examination question: >"Show how it is possible to determine the height of a tall building >with the aid of a barometer." > >The student had answered: "Take a barometer to the top of the >building, attach a long rope to it, lower the barometer to the street >and then bring it up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of >the rope is the height of the building." > >I pointed out that the student really had a strong case for full >credit since he had answered the question completely and correctly. On >the other hand, if full credit was given, it could well contribute to >a high grade for the student in his physics course. A high grade is >supposed to certify competence in physics, but the answer did not >confirm this. I suggested that the student have another try at >answering the question I was not surprised that my colleague agreed, >but I was surprised that the student did. > >I gave the student six minutes to answer the question with the warning >that the answer should show some knowledge of physics. At the end of >five minutes, he had not written anything. I asked if he wished to >give up, but he said no. He had many answers to this problem; he was >just thinking of the best one. I excused myself for interrupting him >and asked him to please go on. In the next minute he dashed off his >answer which read: > >"Take the barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge >of the roof. Drop that barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. >Then using the formula S = ½at², calculate the height of the building. > >At this point I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded, >and I gave the student almost full credit. > >In leaving my colleague's office, I recalled that the student had said >he had many other answers to the problem, so I asked him what they >were. "Oh yes," said the student. "There are a great many ways of >getting the height of a tall building with a barometer. For example, >you could take the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height >of the barometer and the length of its shadow, and the length of the >shadow of the building and by the use of a simple proportion, >determine the height of the building." > >"Fine," I asked. "And the others?" > >"Yes," said the student. "There is a very basic measurement method >that you will like. In this method you take the barometer and begin to >walk up the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length >of the barometer along the wa]l. You then count the number of marks, >and this will give you the height of the building in barometer units. >A very direct method." > >"Of course, if you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the >barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and >determine the value of `g' at the street level and at the top of the >building. From the difference of the two values of `g' the height of >the building can be calculated." > >Finally, he concluded, there are many other ways of solving the >problem. "Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to >the basement and knock on the superintendent's door. When the >superintendent answers, you speak to him as follows: "Mr. >Superintendent, here I have a fine barometer. If you tell me the >height of this building, I will give you this barometer." > >At this point I asked the student if he really did know the >conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, said >that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to >teach him how to think, using the "scientific method," and to explore >the deep inner logic of the subject in a pedantic way, as is often >done in the new mathematics, rather than teaching him the structure of >the subject. With this in mind, he decided to revive scholasticism as >an academic lark to challenge the Sputnik-panicked classrooms of >America. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 18:28:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19385; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:28:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:28:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980310221345.0058d410@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:13:49 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Replication of tampere antigravity; no longer Tesla's world power grid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nH3Ds2.0.hk4.PRV1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:45 PM 3/9/98 -1000, you wrote: >I never tried to replicate it in just this way. I only weighed a target >hanging over the SC. I tried both rotating the SC and rotating the fields >(electric motor stator coils). I was very careful, had a balance sensitive >enough to see a little bit of lint tossed onto the target mass, and used >the same SC as John, but saw no changes at all across several good runs. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > Free association is a marvelous thing :^) So, you got negative results. Well, I suppose if it were easy the world would be on fire over this. I have some ideas about why this might be workable, but without some basic theory of operation its awfully hard to experiment your way into this. The best thing one can do with a negative result is to figure out the bounds you have tested. I.E, with rotation rates up to x rpm you noticed no reduction in mass to an accuracy of Y. Next guy (or more likely you) can then pick up. You know John. What did he say about your attempts? KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 21:29:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26920; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:29:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:29:11 -0800 Message-ID: <32D1DF4E.1020@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:29:50 -0500 From: Drexler X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has Johnson motor achieved self sustaining operation? References: <398ec25a.35057ca7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3y-MJ.0.Sa6.c4Y1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HLafonte wrote: > > Jean-Louis, > Do you know if Mr. Johnson has ever claimed self sustaining operation? > No external power supply, no battery, no energy storage device (other than > permanent magnets) ect.. > Thanks, > Butch I may be able to give some clues on this: found at: www.erols.com/byronw: #14: Permanent Magnet Motor. Howard Johnson was granted U.S. Patent # 4,151,431, for a motor that is powered only by permanent magnets. An interesting thing about the first page of this patent is the chart of a magnetic field VS electromechanical coupling. The chart is from U.S. Patent # 4,151,432 which has nothing to do with the Johnson patent. Science and Mechanics, Spring 1980, published an article " Amazing Magnet-Powered Motor" about the Johnson patent. The article tells of his difficulties in having the device patented. The patent problem was solved when Johnson took working models of his device to the patent office. The magazine Science 83, May, published anarticle ridiculing perpetual motion machines, one of them was the Johnson motor. The Science article purports to quote from the prior Science and Mechanics article about Johnson. Because had both articles, I compared them, then called the author of the Science 83 article. When I stated that the information that he quoted was not in the prior article, he hung up saying "I will not be interrogated by you." . The editor of Science 83 also declined to speak with me. [Comment: Others have informed me that there are three other permanent magnet motor patents.] and from one of Bearden's articles: I personally saw and closely examined one demonstration rotary Johnson permanent magnet motor some years ago, and toyed with it for about one hour. It would definitely self- rotate as long as you wished to permit it to turn. It was not a powerful device at all, but just a small laboratory "proof of principle" prototype. It had cost Johnson an enormous amount of time, labor, and optimization to get the critical adjustment required of his two magnet assemblies. But the device had no power source other than the permanent magnet assemblies themselves. Johnson's nonlinear rotor and stator magnets interacted with each other in a manner to break local symmetry. So his machine was an open system and therefore a permissible overunity device; it was not a perpetuum mobile. and from an old usenet post (sci.energy.alt.inventors): It may be of some interest to note patent # 4,151,431 April 24, 1979 to Howard R. Johnson "Permanent Magnet Motor" (25 claims) In this patent Mr. Johnson claims a P.M. motor/generator that exceeds 100% efficiency. Originally turned down by the Patent Office as perpetual motion, he succeeded in convincing them that the energy stored within the "unpaired electron spins in ferro magnetic and other materials...." and "..the unpaired electron spins occurring within permanent magnets are utilized to produce a motive power source solely through the superconducting characteristics of a permanent magnent..." An artical appeared in Science and Mechanics, Spring 1980 pages 45 thru 48 and 114 thru 117 discussing the author's Jorma Hyypia) direct experience with a demonstration of the patent. Food for thought. Don. and finally from the patent itself: (column 8, line 40) "By way of example, with respect to FIGS 4-7, the following dimensions were used in an _operating prototype_: ..." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 10 21:44:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA30572; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:44:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:44:13 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <3baec94c.35062487@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:43:33 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Has Johnson motor achieved self sustaining operation? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sc6YQ3.0.bT7.iIY1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-11 00:34:15 EST, you write: << www.erols.com/byronw >> Don, Thanks for the time and information. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 00:26:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01247; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:25:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:25:49 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980310221345.0058d410@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:24:08 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Replication of tampere antigravity; no longer Tesla's world power grid Resent-Message-ID: <"G1sb53.0.NJ.9ga1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Keith - > What did he say about your attempts? I don't recall, exactly. He generously offered to provide advice on setting a good replication of his latest version, but I had to decline because of time and money constraints. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 08:01:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19346; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:01:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:01:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: new torsion fields paper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mMP6M3.0.wj4.SLh1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is anyone here interested in obtaining english translations of any of the Russian Akimov/Shipov papers on experimental work with "torsion fields" ("spin fields of the vacuum"?) If so, contact V. Petrov sobolev1@online.ru, and say who you are (amateur 'Hum' sufferer, physicist at institution, engineer at company, etc.) Mr. Petrov is in telephone contact with Akimov, who seems to be probing for American professional interest in his preprints. "Torsion fields" are claimed to be used in submarine communications. They are not conventional EM, and they are claimed to be FTL. Shipov may be placing these papers on www in the future, depending on how much interest we exhibit. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 08:46:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00609; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:46:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:46:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: torsion fields references (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dbL4Q3.0.C9.R_h1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com V. Petrov kindly translated the titles of the Russian papers. See below. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/tors/ Literature 1. A.E.Akimov 'Eurestic discussion of the problem of new interactions, EGS-conceptions' CISE VENT, 1991, preprint # 7A, p.63 (Russian lang.) 2. Tetrode H. Uber den Wirkungszusammenhang der Welt. Ein Erweiterung der Classischen Dynamik. Ziet. fur Physic, 1922, Bd. 10, s.317. 3. Fokker A. D. Ein invarianter Variationssatz fur die Bewegung mehrerer electricher Massenteilchen. Zeit. fur Physic, 1922, Bd. 10, s. 317 4. Wheeler J. A, Feynman R. P., Rev. Mod. Phys., 1945, 17, N 1, p157 5. Wheeler J. A., Feynman R. P., Rev. Mod. Phys., 1949, 21, N3, p425 6. Hehl F. W., Spin and Torsion in General Relativity. I:Foudations. GRG, 1973, N 4, p333 7. Hehl F. W. , Heyde P., Kerlick G.D., Nester J. M., General relativity with spin and torsion: Foundations and prospects. Rev. Mod. Phys., 1976, N3, p393 8. F. W. Hehl, On the Kinematics of the Torsion Space-Time. Found. Phys., 1985, v15, N4, p451 9. T. W. B. Kibble., Lorentz Invariance and the Gravitational Field. J. Math. Phys, 1961, N 2, p212 10. D. W. Sciama. The Physical Structure of General Relativity. Rev. Mod. Phys., 1964, n36, p463 11. A.P.Efremov 'Space-time rotation and torsion field's effects. Analytical review' CISE VENT, Moscow, 1991, p.76 (Russian lang.) 12. V.G.Bagrov, A.A.Evseevich, A.V.Shapovalov 'Symmetry, division of variables and exact solutions for Dirac equation in the Riemann-Cartan space', Tomsk, Tomsky NTs SO AN SSSR, 1989, preprint #51, p.31 (Russian lang.) 13. G.I.Shipov 'Physical vacuum theory', NT-Center, Moscow, 1993, p.362 (Russian lang.) 14. A.A.Grib, E.V.Damansky, V.M.Maksimov 'The problem of the vacuum symmetry and invariance breaking in the quantum field theory', in the Uspehi Fizicheskih Nauk, 1970, vol.102, issue 4, p.587 (Russian lang.) 15. H.Oganyan 'What is spin?', in '88 Fizika za rubezhom, Mir, Moscow, 1988, p.68 (Russian lang.) 17. A.E.Akimov, V.V.Boichuk, V.Ya.Tarasenko 'Long-range spinor fields. Physical models', Ukraine academy of sciences, Institut problem materialovedeniya, Kiev, 1989, preprint #4, p.23 (Russian lang.) 18. Alan D.Krish 'The collision of the spinning protons', V mire nauki, 1987, #10, p.12 (Russian lang.) 21. J.D.Bjorken, S.D.Drell 'Relativistic quantum theory', Nauka, Moscow, 1978, p.295 (Russian lang.) 23. Ya.B.Zeldovich 'The interpretation of electrodynamics as consequence of quantum theory' in Pisma v Zh.ETF, 1967, vol.6, issue 10, p.922 (Russian lang.) 24. L.A.Rivlin , ? , in the Uspehi fizicheskih nauk, 1991, #3, p.143 (Russian lang.) 25. A.D.Saharov 'Vacuum quantum fluctuations in curved space and the gravitation theory' in Doklady Akademii Nauk, 1967, #1, p.70 (Russian lang.) 26. L.D.Landau, E.M.Lifshits 'Theoretical physics', vol.4, Nauka, Moscow, 1968, part 1, p.480 (Russian lang.) 27. E.V.Shpolsky 'Atomic physics', Moscow, GITGL, 1949, vol.1, p.523, 1950, vol.2, p.718 (Russian lang.) 28. A.D.Dolgov, Ya.B.Zeldovich, M.V.Sazhin 'The cosmology of the early universe', Moscow State University, 1988, p.200 (Russian lang.) 29. V.A.Bunin 'Newest problems of gravitation in classical physics', Leningrad, 1962, p.88 (Russian lang.) 30. V.A.Dubrovsky 'Elastic model of the physical vacuum', in Dokl.AN SSSR, vol.282, 1985,#1,p.83 (Russian lang.) 32. A.D.Saharov, TMF, 1975, vol.9, #22, p.157 (Russian lang.) 33. G.T.Butorin 'On the question of the quantum-mechanical origin of gravitation', VINITI, Moscow, 1987, dep.#5135-B87, p.49 (Russian lang.) 34. G.T.Butorin 'On the possible origin of magnetism of spinning masses', VINITI, 1989, dep.#2139-B89, p.49 (Russian lang.) 35. B.R.Bershadsky, A.A.Mehedkin 'Structural discretization of the main types of compositional connection of matter types', VINITI, Moscow, 1990, dep.#40-B90, p.11 (Russian lang.) 36. A.E.Akimov,B.R.Bershadsky,A.A.Mehedkin 'The frequency spectrum of physical fields in general conception', VINITI, Moscow, 1990, dep.#2826-B90, p.6 (Russian lang.) 37. the same as 11 39. J.A.Willer 'Einstein's foresight', Mir, Moscow, 1970, p.112 (Russian lang.) 40. I.D.Novikov, V.P.Frolov 'Physics of black holes', Nauka, Moscow, 1986, p.327 (Russian lang.) 41. V.P.Mayboroda, A.E.Akimov, G.A.Maksimova, V.Ya.Tarasenko 'Torsion fields' influence on the melt of tin', CISE VENT, preprint #49, Moscow, 1994, p.13 (Russian lang.) 42. V.P.Mayboroda, A.E.Akimov, G.A.Maksimova, V.Ya.Tarasenko, V.K.Shkolny, N.G.Palaguta, G.M.Molchanovskaya 'The structure and properties of copper taken from the melt after influencing it with torsion radiation', CISE VENT, preprint #50, Moscow, 1994, p.11 (Russian lang.) 43. A.E.Akimov 'Torsion communications of the third millenium', The proceedings of the international conference 'Modern telecommunication technologies', Moscow, 15-19 of may, 1995 (Russian lang.) 44. A.E.Akimov, F.A.Ohatrin, A.F.Ohatrin, V.P.Finogeev, M.N.Lomonosov, A.V.Loginov 'The capture and treatment of torsion information from the cosmic images carriers', Allrussian conference 'The perspective informational technologies', Uljaynovsk, 27-29 of august, 1995 (Russian lang.) 45. N.A.Kozyrev, V.V.Nasonov 'On some properties of time, discovered by astronomical observations', in Problemy issledovaniya vselennoi, 1980, issue 9, p.76 (Russian lang.) 46. M.M.Lavrentjev, I.A.Eganova, M.K.Lutset, S.F.Foninyh 'The distance influence of stars on the resistor', in Doklady AN SSSR, 1990, vol.314, issue 2, p.352 (Russian lang.) 47. A.E.Akimov, G.U.Kovalchuk, V.G.Medvedev, V.K.Oleinik, A.F.Pugach 'The preliminary results of astronomical observations of the sky with N.A.Kozyrev's method', Chief astronomical observatory of Ukraine Acad.of Sciences, Kiev, 1992, preprint #GAO-92-5P, p.16 (Russian lang.) 48. V.I.Tolchin 'Inertioid, inertia forces as the source of motion', Perm, 1977 (Russian lang.) 49. the same as 28 52. A.A.Grib, S.G.Mamaev, V.M.Mostepanenko 'Vacuum quantum effects in the strong fields' Energoatomizdat, Moscow, 1988, p.288 (Russian lang.) 53. L.I.Matveenko 'Visible overlight velocities of components' scattering in extragalactic objects', in Uspehi fizicheskih nauk, 1989, vol.140, issue 3, p.469 (Russian lang.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 08:59:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27909; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:58:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:58:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111656.GAA02395@ranger.t-link.net> From: "Alastair Couper" Organization: Aquarian Electronics To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:57:22 +10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re Tesla's world power grid Reply-to: aquarius@t-link.net Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: <"NDP5N1.0.-p6.EBi1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I thought his Tesla coils operated at high frequency, several hundred >kHz, at least. Thus I don't see the connection with the very low >freqiency 7.5 Hz earth-ionosphere resonances. (The time a radio wave >travels around the earth) Could someone please give an explanation on how >they would couple? -Dave I can't find the researcher's name in my so called library at the moment, but there was an article in the Extraordinary Science a few years ago which showed a picture of the Colorado Springs set up, and there was a large pendulum hanging from the antenna tower. The ball on the end swung near to a plate as it moved. Another picture showed a wire coming down from the roof- apparently from the pendulum. The thought was that this swinging pendulum was tuned to some Earth resonance, and that as it moved it oscillated a parameter in the main Tesla coil due to the changing of its capacitance to the plate. There was also an explanation of the manner in which the gas filled pipe antenna was acting like a diode, and created a DC charge around it. This particular author created a minature version of that Colo Springs circuit with pendulum, and detected the resulting energy on a scope. The picture in the magazine showed a high frequency oscillation modulated at low frequency. The conclusion was that the modulated DC was the carrier, and that the high frequency was the energy containing portion which could be used to do work. I'll post the relevant name and date when I can find it..... Alastair Couper aquarius@t-link.net Aquarian Electronics Maui,Hawaii http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/aquarian.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 12:37:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29235; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:29:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:29:54 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <54bbe00e.3506f355@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:55 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Who understands basic magneto operation? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"1pC1l1.0.h87.0Hl1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4190 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I am wondering how many people on the list understand basic magneto operation? Not a AC or DC generator, but the very basic rotor/stator magneto that you would find in lawn mowers. The voltage/current produced by a collapsing or expanding magnetic field in an iron stator with a coil wound around it. If anyone does not fully understand, let me know, and I will try to put an animation on the web with Quitfield sims. It would show where drag and repulsion forces come into play. Who knows, I might find out that I don't fully understand their operation! It is the basic operation principle of a number of claimed o/u devices. I would just like to see how many don't understand and would let me know. You can post to me direct if you want. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 13:27:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11462; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:20:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:20:55 -0800 From: "sam" To: Subject: An anti-grav thought Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:19:21 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd4d4c$80fd9e80$01646464@sammy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD4D09.72DA5E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"v_CRF.0.oo2.o0m1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4191 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD4D09.72DA5E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up front, I believe in U.F.O's ok.. Now I'm not trying to prove there = existence or anything I just want some help analysing some existing = information. From what I have researched I have seen fused soil (this = hasn't been tested for possible pole alignment), and have heard many = claims of power in the area for up to a half mile from the craft being = interrupted. The power issue is what I'd like to focus on. I'm an electronics tinkerer and know a few basics in the field, but not = enough to think this out. Power lines have a 60 hertz AC potential = flowing across them (assume residential 120/240) is this correct? Now = the magnetic field around the transmission line is expanding and = collapsing with the freq of the AC passing thru the line. What type of = magnetic energy and freq would be needed to stop transmission of power = thru the wires? Please note that most of the protective pole fuses are = not automatic reset types. Now if one can determine the type of magnetic = energy required to stop the AC from flowing in the power lines, its = freq, can we then mentally experiment with these magnetic engines to see = if they may be able to produce an anti-gravity result??=20 Like I said I just know a bit about electronics but not much. If I sound = ignorant sorry but I tried.. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD4D09.72DA5E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Up front, I believe in U.F.O's ok.. Now I'm not trying to prove there = existence or anything I just want some help analysing some existing = information.=20 >From what I have researched I have seen fused soil (this hasn't been = tested for=20 possible pole alignment), and have heard many claims of power in the = area for up=20 to a half mile from the craft being interrupted. The power issue is what = I'd=20 like to focus on.

I'm an electronics tinkerer and know a few basics in the field, but = not=20 enough to think this out. Power lines have a 60 hertz AC potential = flowing=20 across them (assume residential 120/240) is this correct? Now the = magnetic field=20 around the transmission line is expanding and collapsing with the freq = of the AC=20 passing thru the line. What type of magnetic energy and freq would be = needed to=20 stop transmission of power thru the wires? Please note that most of the=20 protective pole fuses are not automatic reset types. Now if one can = determine=20 the type of magnetic energy required to stop the AC from flowing in the = power=20 lines, its freq, can we then mentally experiment with these magnetic = engines to=20 see if they may be able to produce an anti-gravity result??

Like I said I just know a bit about electronics but not much. If I = sound=20 ignorant sorry but I tried..

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD4D09.72DA5E80-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 13:46:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15158; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:33:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:33:34 -0800 Message-ID: <19980311213345.10319.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Magnetophosphenes? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"6TwNz1.0.Ci3.aCm1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, Ran across this URL [while looking for something completly different.......infoseek listed it with a query for "+radius +primary +secondary"....work related stuff] and I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of the following: "Normally, people are not able to sense the presence of very high 10-1,000 mG magnetic fields; however, extremely high levels exceeding 100 Gauss (100,000 mG) will cause a temporary visual flickering sensation called magnetophosphenes which disappears when the field is removed. " from: http://www.mnsinc.com/emf/pub7.html I've never heard of this -- anyone know of other refs to the "effect"? What causes it? Magnetic distortion of synaptic transmissions? Just curious, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 14:04:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16655; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:50:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:50:12 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <524ae67.35070552@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:42:35 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"WFQLF1.0.-34.5Sm1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-11 16:25:40 EST, you write: << If I sound ignorant sorry but I tried.. >> Sam, I know you have heard the saying, there are no stupid questions asked, the only stupid questions are those that go unasked. Butch I guess I'm in a Hallmark mood today. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 14:32:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA30110; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:18:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:18:17 -0800 Message-ID: <350727D1.7A52@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:09:53 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? References: <19980311213345.10319.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zQ0-R3.0.IM7.asm1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Anton et al! You wrote; > I've never heard of this -- anyone know of other refs to the "effect"? > What causes it? Magnetic distortion of synaptic transmissions? There was a company who made goggles which fit over the eyes...by pressing on your eyelids you can produce flashes perceptible to your vision. The goggles were basically a dot matrix printer arrangement with many small padded effectors to push against the eye to form patterns. I always thought this was far too dangerous, risking damage to the eye for visual entertainment...I'll pass....I'd take DMT and talk to the elves before doing that to my eyes. Baron von Reichenbach wrote in 'The OD Force' that sensitives could see magnetic energy, recounting blue and red flames projecting from magnets....though they could see this without bringing the magnet close to the eyes...perhaps the magnetophosphenes in their case were exceptionally developed to be able to amplify weak magnetic energy.... Recently, there was a study done with virtual reality where people had to short focus their eyes on these tiny TV screens, they caused headaches and visual problems....I expected this would eventually happen because I'd gotten headaches and pains in my eye muscles from eyestrain while wearing VR goggles....has to be a better way... What would be cool, would be a translation system that would let you 'see' electric or magnetic energy so that you could actually see in 3space real time, the shape of the energy and how it was affected by your manipulations with circuits, coils or the weird effects reported with crystals and geometries. Along that same line of thinking, if we could see aether flows, we could actually determine what it took to deflect, concentrate or dissipate it to produce controlled phenomena, ranging from energy tapping to gravity control. Barring devices that would let us see aether & scalars visually, we surely need some measuring tools, multimeter, oscilloscope, etc...available for sale from a (currently bogus) site like; http://www.aethertools.com or http://www.scalartestequipment.com ;-> -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 14:48:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04143; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:40:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:40:10 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:27:32 -0500 Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? Message-ID: <19980311.173038.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-10,13,17-20 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"Iuj4g2.0.O01.7Bn1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:01:28 +1300 John Berry writes: > >It is believed that a pulsed DC is more effective with even more >effect if the charging pulse if sharp and the discharge slower. >It is also believed that by rotating the capacitor the effect is >increased (with the possibility rotating the two electrodes in opposite >directions when possible) > >John Berry > Was looking over Beardens article on "Stalking the Wild Dragon", was interested in his concept of a wave structure inside a scalar potential (based on Whittacker's papers). I am planning to do more study and post about this later, but I did want to point out that a sawtooth waveform has all harmonics (square waves that have odd harmonics), and using such waveforms in a Brown capacitor may make a difference. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 16:11:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05374; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:04:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:04:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:02:56 GMT X-Sender: arcady@mailhost.fastnet.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: arcady@fastnet.co.uk (charles north) Subject: Re: Who understands basic magneto operation? Resent-Message-ID: <"ABV3J3.0.tJ1.aQo1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Butch me too regards Chaz Butch wrote >Hi all, >I am wondering how many people on the list understand basic magneto operation? >Not a AC or DC generator, but the very basic rotor/stator magneto that you >would find in lawn mowers. The voltage/current produced by a collapsing or >expanding magnetic field in an iron stator with a coil wound around it. If >anyone does not fully understand, let me know, and I will try to put an >animation on the web with Quitfield sims. It would show where drag and >repulsion forces come into play. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 16:14:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06856; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:09:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:09:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:08:22 -0500 From: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Who understands basic magneto operation? Sender: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Message-ID: <199803111908_MC2-3668-D0D7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA06760 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Ft5e.0.rg1.uUo1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I don't , unfortunately!!! Count me in. Sorry about the font, am not sure why my browser is using it. Will try to fix later. Thanks for the offer,Butch. Look forward to the animation. Glenn Hinton From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 17:34:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24890; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:30:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:30:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980311210836.00596a68@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:08:40 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: re: Tesla world power grid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G3ti1.0.f46.Jgp1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:57 AM 3/11/98 +10, you wrote: >I can't find the researcher's name in my so called library at the moment, >but there was an article in the Extraordinary Science a few years ago >which showed a picture of the Colorado Springs set up, and there was a >large pendulum hanging from the antenna tower. The ball on the end swung >near to a plate as it moved. Another picture showed a wire coming down >from the roof- apparently from the pendulum. The thought was that this >swinging pendulum was tuned to some Earth resonance, and that as it moved >it oscillated a parameter in the main Tesla coil due to the changing of >its capacitance to the plate. There was also an explanation of the manner >in which the gas filled pipe antenna was acting like a diode, and created >a DC charge around it. > >This particular author created a minature version of that Colo Springs >circuit with pendulum, and detected the resulting energy on a scope. The >picture in the magazine showed a high frequency oscillation modulated at >low frequency. The conclusion was that the modulated DC was the carrier, >and that the high frequency was the energy containing portion which could >be used to do work. > >I'll post the relevant name and date when I can find it..... >Alastair Couper aquarius@t-link.net Interesting idea. I remember this article as well. Don't think this was tesla's scheme, but it certainly is an interesting way to modulate an oscillator. Capacitive variation would produce a frequency modulation. I really must buy the Colorado Springs notes again and post Tesla's solution. I don't think any great mystery was made about this in the notes. KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 18:21:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03023; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:15:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:15:41 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:06:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Has Johnson motor achieved self sustaining operation? Message-ID: <19980311.210154.6398.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <398ec25a.35057ca7@aol.com> <32D1DF4E.1020@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-21,23-24,26-28 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"34shG2.0.7l.ALq1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:29:50 -0500 Drexler writes: >I may be able to give some clues on this: > >found at: www.erols.com/byronw: > Science and Mechanics, >Spring 1980, published an article " Amazing Magnet-Powered Motor" >about the Johnson patent. The article tells of his >difficulties in having the device patented. The patent problem was >solved when Johnson took working models of his device to the >patent office. The magazine Science 83, May, published anarticle >ridiculing perpetual motion machines, one of them was the >Johnson motor. The Science article purports to quote from the prior >Science and Mechanics article about Johnson. Because had >both articles, I compared them, then called the author of the Science >83 article. When I stated that the information that he quoted >was not in the prior article, he hung up saying "I will not be >interrogated by you." . The editor of Science 83 also declined to >speak with me. [Comment: Others have informed me that there are three >other permanent magnet motor patents.] > I remember one of those articles. It was what I would call a "hit piece" (very negitive). It has been claimed that a working prototype was required by the PTO. If true, then we need to give the Johnson motor more of a look. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 18:41:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07419; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:37:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:37:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3507643E.3595@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:27:42 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New developments, Rick? References: <19980311.173038.6398.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZKHYX.0.qp1.Ofq1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Steve et al! You wrote; > Was looking over Beardens article on "Stalking the Wild Dragon", was > interested in his concept of a wave structure inside a scalar > potential (based on Whittacker's papers).... > .....a sawtooth waveform has all harmonics About 3 years ago, Tom Bearden was saying his group had found that a stepped wave was most efficient at charging capacitors...he indicated it might be something that would be useful in the design of overunity devices... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 19:08:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11340; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:59:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:59:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803120256.SAA01095@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:03:58 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pWrDY1.0.0n2.bzq1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Assuming UFO's are real it seems to me that analyzing their side-effects and inquiring as to what type of devices might produce those side effects makes a great deal of sense. I recall, for example, reading somewhere many years ago that a military radar plane witnessed a UFO and that their on-board instruments measured a recorded pulsed microwave energy from the craft. I wonder if anyone has compiled a good rundown of all known side-effects of UFO encounters. The only ones I can recall off hand are the microwave thing, and the fact that compass needles are aften observed spinning in the vicinity of a UFO. And there's the often mentioned blue-green glow (corona discharge maybe?). It might be worthwhile to comb the web for more information and compile a list of all known side effects. At the very least, it might be food for thought where future research is concerned. --Gary. ---------- From: sam To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: An anti-grav thought Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 4:19 PM Up front, I believe in U.F.O's ok.. Now I'm not trying to prove there existence or anything I just want some help analysing some existing information. From what I have researched I have seen fused soil (this hasn't been tested for possible pole alignment), and have heard many claims of power in the area for up to a half mile from the craft being interrupted. The power issue is what I'd like to focus on. I'm an electronics tinkerer and know a few basics in the field, but not enough to think this out. Power lines have a 60 hertz AC potential flowing across them (assume residential 120/240) is this correct? Now the magnetic field around the transmission line is expanding and collapsing with the freq of the AC passing thru the line. What type of magnetic energy and freq would be needed to stop transmission of power thru the wires? Please note that most of the protective pole fuses are not automatic reset types. Now if one can determine the type of magnetic energy required to stop the AC from flowing in the power lines, its freq, can we then mentally experiment with these magnetic engines to see if they may be able to produce an anti-gravity result?? Like I said I just know a bit about electronics but not much. If I sound ignorant sorry but I tried.. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 19:09:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19635; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:59:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:59:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199803120259.SAA01275@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:06:59 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8xyHw.0.co4.9-q1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: Jerry W. Decker > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 4:09 PM > > Hi Anton et al! > > You wrote; > > I've never heard of this -- anyone know of other refs to the "effect"? > > What causes it? Magnetic distortion of synaptic transmissions? I saw something on the Discovery channel a few months ago about a helmet with heavy-duty electromagnets that produced acute anxiety attacks in people that wore it. It had something to do with stimulating some particular area of the brain magnetically. I wish I could remember more. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 19:25:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23127; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:18:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:18:41 -0800 Message-ID: <35076E24.65F5@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:09:56 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought References: <199803120256.SAA01095@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cvn-91.0.1f5.AGr1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Gary et al! With regard to observing UFOs and your comment; > It might be worthwhile to comb the web for more information and > compile a list of all known side effects. At the very least, it > might be food for thought where future research is concerned. For a neat list of phenomena compiled by Terry Bastian, check out; http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/ufotech1.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 20:48:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00797; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:40:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <43d25838.350766bb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:38:18 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 5 drawings & text on basic magneto operation on web site Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"yqBKP1.0.LC.-Ss1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, 5 drawings and text on basic magneto principle on web site. Animation and quickfield being put together. Please inform me of any errors, please. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Research Site 1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 20:56:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17865; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:53:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:53:10 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:41:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Who understands basic magneto operation? Message-ID: <19980311.204140.12422.1.tv@juno.com> References: <54bbe00e.3506f355@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6,11-12,16-24,26-27,29,31,33-34,36,38-44 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"u-Q5B3.0.zM4.pes1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Butch, In around 1985, a gentleman named Ken McNiel who organized one of the first free energy conference told me that he managed to get a fly wheel magneto from a lawn mower (Briggs and Stratton) to self run for over 4 hours by using two samarium cobalt magnets in attraction mode one on the edge of a rotating disc and one fixed. The magneto coil was stationary. At precisely the right moment the points (contacts) on the magneto were opened and this caused a back EMF that created a push from an electromagnet that was enough to push the attracting magnets past center to get it to next the cycle and this, he said, would repeat indefinitely. The device was difficult to adjust and he tried to build a bigger one by robbing parts from the working model (a big no-no). He was not able to get the bigger model to work. I don't know if ever managed or even tried to get the original to work again. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:55 EST HLafonte writes: >Hi all, >I am wondering how many people on the list understand basic magneto >operation? Not a AC or DC generator, but the very basic rotor/stator magneto that >you would find in lawn mowers. The voltage/current produced by a >collapsing or expanding magnetic field in an iron stator with a coil wound around >it. If anyone does not fully understand, let me know, and I will try to put >an animation on the web with Quitfield sims. It would show where drag and >repulsion forces come into play. Who knows, I might find out that I >don't fully understand their operation! It is the basic operation principle >of a number of claimed o/u devices. I would just like to see how many don't >understand and would let me know. You can post to me direct if you >want. >Thanks, >Butch > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 21:24:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26712; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:23:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:23:14 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:22:21 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who understands basic magneto operation? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"YT6Gg3.0.IX6._4t1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-11 23:55:52 EST, you write: << around 1985, a gentleman named Ken McNiel who organized one of the first free energy conference told me that he managed to get a fly wheel magneto from a lawn mower (Briggs and Stratton) to self run for over 4 hours by using two samarium cobalt magnets in attraction mode one on the edge of a rotating disc and one fixed. >> Tim, I am starting to think that the post today about overunity devices having to be tuned to the devices unique configuration, that is in relation to same device, different size, has alot of truth to it. The lawn mower magneto also brings back memories of my childhood as I would look at the flywheel and stator and wonder how to made it run on it's on. I tend to believe these people when they tell of stories like this one. I can't see any reason to make it up in most cases. Maybe with all the video cameras around today we will see some on tape soon. Thanks for the interesting story. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 11 22:36:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15431; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:32:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:32:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19980312170302.356f3f26@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:03:02 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Who understands basic magneto operation? In-Reply-To: <199803111908_MC2-3668-D0D7@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Th9vW2.0.1n3.B6u1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4207 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:08 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >I don't , unfortunately!!! >Count me in. Sorry about the font, am not sure why my browser is using it. >Will try to fix later. > > >Thanks for the offer,Butch. >Look forward to the animation. > > >Glenn Hinton > >Me Too > ***************************************************************** Geoff Egel Check out my energy page at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Promoting the search for new energy sources for the 21st Century ,like to hear from you Snail Mail 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ***************************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 03:33:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22189; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:31:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:31:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:29:49 +0200 (EET) From: "Mika L." To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? In-Reply-To: <199803120259.SAA01275@rio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VKqEE2.0.YQ5.HUy1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > > I've never heard of this -- anyone know of other refs to the "effect"? > > > What causes it? Magnetic distortion of synaptic transmissions? It have to be a time-varying field and then retina is stimulated. Changing magnetic field induces currents and retina is a very sensitive organ. In MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) patients are in very high magnetic fields (something like few teslas or tens of kilogausses) but feel no effect, because it's a stable field. Magnetic field can also be used to stimulate brain tissue directly. It's planned to replace the electric shock treatment (in deep depression states brain functions diminish and stimulus must be used to activate brains again). 10 mT (100 G) rms can stimulate retina at 20 Hz. For direct brain stimulation there are commercial stimulators having field of about 2T with risetime of something like 0.1 ms and peek change values of about 50 kT/s. These stimulators can also stimulate muscles (feels like a pinch). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 03:46:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23215; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:45:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:45:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3507E4A8.66E2@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:35:36 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4D4Dg1.0.eg5.zgy1r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Mika et al! You wrote; > Magnetic field can also be used to stimulate brain tissue directly. > It's planned to replace the electric shock treatment (in deep > depression states brain functions diminish and stimulus must be used > to activate brains again). The idea of using polarized (north OR south) magnetic forces to cause expansion or contraction of tissue and to reduce blood flow, thereby desensitizing it, is a means of controlling criminal behavior (and it has other uses) as at; http://keelynet.com/biology/crimecur.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 06:28:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20855; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:26:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:26:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: God plays friendly game of "drop the rock"? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"T_Sk-2.0.n55.12_1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Interesting msg forwarded from the ssz science hobbyist forum (see http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wlists.html, under ADVANCED AMATEUR for info. Or email ravage@ssz.com and ask to be subscribed. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:14:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Choate Reply-To: tesla@ssz.com To: user@ssz.com Cc: Ravage's Friends , Experimental Instrumentation , Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer Subject: Re: God plays friendly game of "drop the rock"? (fwd) Forwarded message: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:19:58 +0100 (MET) From: Tommy Grav Subject: Re: God plays friendly game of "drop the rock"? Reply-To: traveller@mpgn.com On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 trisen@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > This is not about Traveller but I thought the list might find it > interesting. Check out > http://europe.cnn.com/TECH/space/9803/11/asteroid/index.html > > Summary: > > Asteroid found on near miss course with Earth. Designated 1997 > XF11, it should pass just under 30,000 miles from Earth on > October 26, 2028. However, the estimate has a margin of error of > more than 180,000 miles! The chance of an actual collision is > small, but one is not entirely out of the question. > Just remeber that this is estimated from a 88-days arc and further observations are critical. There will be a close encounter, not as close as in 2028, with the asteroid in 2002, and at this time many telescopes around the world will be pointing towards it. This should give us a good estimate for its close approach, and should it come to close there will be plenty of time for countermeasures. > Regards PLST Tommy Grav tommy.grav@astro.uio.no Institute of Astrophysics http://www.uio.no/~tommygr/ University in Oslo "If you value your lives, be somewhere Norway else!" - Ambassador Delenn B5 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 07:06:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29137; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:04:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:04:02 -0800 From: "sam" To: "freenet list" Subject: Re: anti-grav though Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:32:33 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd4ddc$d75297a0$01646464@sammy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BD4D99.C92F57A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FoslI1.0.B77.Wb_1r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BD4D99.C92F57A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From undocumented word of mouth information (probably real good = information right) I have not heard of the power interruption occurring = in England, France or Japan. (Haven't heard much from China) is it = possible that the AC frequency of their power transmission could somehow = not allow this power interruption from occurring? If this is the case = then do we have enough information to take a good guess at what = frequencies the suspected devices are running at? Questions I have about the power in these other countries, are most = power lines run underground, do they utilise pole pig transformers as we = do, are the transmission methods very similar to rural areas in the US? ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BD4D99.C92F57A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From undocumented word of mouth information (probably real = good=20 information right) I have not heard of the power interruption occurring = in=20 England, France or Japan. (Haven't heard much from China) is it possible = that=20 the AC frequency of their power transmission could somehow not allow = this power=20 interruption from occurring? If this is the case then do we have enough=20 information to take a good guess at what frequencies the suspected = devices are=20 running at?

Questions I have about the power in these other countries, are most = power=20 lines run underground, do they utilise pole pig transformers as we do, = are the=20 transmission methods very similar to rural areas in the=20 US?

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BD4D99.C92F57A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 08:15:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22473; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:05:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:05:11 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: <2b9ba1bb.35080731@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:02:54 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"UxGsC.0.wU5.mU02r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-11 16:25:40 EST, you write: << I'm an electronics tinkerer and know a few basics in the field, but not enough to think this out. Power lines have a 60 hertz AC potential flowing across them (assume residential 120/240) is this correct? Now the magnetic field around the transmission line is expanding and collapsing with the freq of the AC passing thru the line. What type of magnetic energy and freq would be needed to stop transmission of power thru the wires? >> My comment on your post may be slightly off topic but there may be some interest. After thinking about the power interruption by UFOs problem for some time my best guess how it might be done is as follows: all movements of electrical power are in effect by transmission lines, so you can use transmission line theory. It is relatively easy to inductively couple a small transient voltage onto a wire (in our case part of a transmission line). The small voltage subtracts from the voltage on the transmission line and travels at the speed of light (almost) to the end of the transmission line where it is reflected with only a very small decrease in amplitude. It comes back to the starting point and at this exact time you couple another small voltage onto the line which results in a negative pulse twice the original size. Continue this and you can decrease the voltage to zero -- for a very short time. Obviously there are coupling and timing problems, but I have modelled this on Pspice and it works in principle. The question is whether or not there might be some additional improvements that would make it practical. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 10:43:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22132; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:20:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:20:51 -0800 Message-ID: <350841BC.189D@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:12:44 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought References: <2b9ba1bb.35080731@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CPAu62.0.cP5.0U22r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! With regard to; > the power interruption by UFOs problem Bearden referred to the reports as a 'quenching' effect where the normal speed of electrons moving through a conductor were interrupted or slowed by virtue of some kind of interference, probably a certain frequency. There is a report that I believe was published in Walter Baumgartners now defunct 'Energy Unlimited' newsletter that recounted a story from back in the 1950's playing with his fathers' WWII transceiver....the kid was just sweeping through the dial and broadcasting on many different channels. The story goes on that the kid put it on one certain channel, totally random twist of the dial, switched it to transmit and was distracted away from the transmitter when he left the house. Within minutes, all vehicle electrical systems within about a 2 mile radius of the house stopped working and cars and trucks in the area simply stopped running. After this went on for awhile, somehow the FCC got involved and managed to triangulate on the source of the disturbance where they confiscated the radio and the frequency was of course not mentioned. But the story indicates it could well be within our capacity (no pun intended) to achieve. The report correlates almost exactly with what happens in the presence of UFO type phenomena, close proximity of course....another odd effect, in some cases, even after the UFO departs it takes a few minutes before the vehicle will again start. Kind of a remanence effect that has to dissipate before the electrons can once again 'come to speed'. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 12:06:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20662; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:53:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:53:28 -0800 Message-ID: <35085772.210E@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:45:22 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? References: <199803120259.SAA01275@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yxTl1.0.b25.sq32r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Gary et al! You wrote; > I saw something on the Discovery channel a few months ago about a > helmet with heavy-duty electromagnets that produced acute anxiety > attacks in people that wore it. It had something to do with > stimulating some particular area of the brain magnetically. I wish I > could remember more. Sounds precisely like the work of Michael Persinger at Laurentian University. He took a football helmet, drilled holes in it, glued in nails with small coils wrapped each to make individual solenoids...then hooked each nail up to a driver....much like the dot matrix head on a printer....by energizing certain matrix patterns, he could produce specific effects in the subjects. The amount of magnetic energy needed to produce effects is ridiculously low. There is no reason any of us could not use the parallel port and a decoder box OR a 16 or 32 channel I/O card (about $50 now) to do this on our own......take a chance, blow your mind....for real..... My interest in this is based on Dr. Thelma Moss' work (in addition to Persinger) who found there were patterns that could induce euphoria, creativity, hunger, sickness, thirst, even psychic abilities... With regard to FREE ENERGY (topic of list)...I think the creativity enhancement uses of such technology would let us open up different viewpoints and perspectives that might, if we did our homework, show us the correlations that we are all missing, else there would BE a working f/e, or o/u device BY NOW.... So, DMT and talking to elves, magnetic matrix stimulation of the brain, lateral thinking, discussions and experiments, whatever it takes for that one critical 100th monkey breakthrough....we aren't getting any younger...... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 12:17:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04843; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:04:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:04:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35083CDF.201D@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:51:59 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: MAGNET MOTOR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------25A079E03E66" Resent-Message-ID: <"vRa8y.0.VB1.T_32r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------25A079E03E66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All right everybody, In order to build my permanent magnet motor, I will need to find a cylinder permanent magnet with the specifications of the .gif file attached. The preferred material would be a ceramic magnet, but any material would do. Where may I find such a magnet ? If I come up with this magnet, I will freely distribute all the info in order that all of you may replicate this SIMPLE magnet motor. 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To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"K5mWf2.0.p51.Uo42r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com My apologies for getting us all off topic here. My thought was twofold......and my thoughts were on topic, even if the post didn't seem to be. Here's what I was thinking after reading about the effect: 1 - All the work I've been doing with NIB magnets makes me wonder if there might be something to this......I sometimes am a bit more forgetfull after dinking with the magnets. My wife frequently points this out :) I have just been blaming it on concetration. 2 - If a strong magnetic field can induce "flickers" in our perception, then I was wondering if perhaps that "oscillation" could be harnessed in devices. Was kinda thinking in the back of my head that the effect might be a sort of biological equivelant to the Barkhausen Detector - But, several have pointed out that the fields are not static.....the effect needs a modulated field. So much for the FE approach. I have absolutley no interest in placing strong magnets anywhere near my noggin......any volunteers? ;) Many more thoughts about this, but most are completely off topic. BTW -- As a reference point, just how strong are NIBs anyway? All for now..... == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 14:25:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26283; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:21:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:21:12 -0800 Message-ID: <35085E64.B241D380@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:15:01 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energeon@microtec.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MAGNET MOTOR X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <35083CDF.201D@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XjSnC.0.ZQ6.N_52r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com patrick tremblay wrote: > All right everybody, > > In order to build my permanent magnet motor, I will need to find a > cylinder permanent magnet with the specifications of the .gif file > attached. The preferred material would be a ceramic magnet, but any > material would do. > > Where may I find such a magnet ? > > If I come up with this magnet, I will freely distribute all the info > in > order that all of you may replicate this SIMPLE magnet motor. > > Call it a Deal ! > > patrick tremblay > energeon@microtec.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [Image] Hi, Patrick (and all) You can use a common rotor from a step by step small motor, but have more poles. You can also get two starter electric motors for car. The startor have two magnets like you are finding. With four magnets you can build a four pole rotor. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 17:37:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01665; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD4DEC.34A82FA0@pm3-130.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Patent 3,504,868 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:22:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z2bVW3.0.lP.Zi82r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings: Can someone tell me where I can get a copy (preferably online) of patent no. 3, 504, 868. By J. Engleberger. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 20:13:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22272; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:11:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:11:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199803130411.UAA02400@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Butch? -- What would this do? Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:19:05 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AwjQk2.0.wR5.V7B2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Butch, and all, There seems to be a lot of expertise about coils and magnetic fields on this list. I dreamt up a weird way to wind a coil that I think might have some strange properties. It's kind of hard to explain, so I put a picture up at http://rio.com/~reboot/Coils.html Basically, a coil is wrapped around a flexible core, and then that core is wrapped around another core. If the inner flexible core is conductive and passes a current in the opposite direction from the larger winding it seems like the fields would almost cancel out leaving no net magnetism in the large core. But the smaller core would have some kind of peculiar field around it that I can't quite figure out. Any insights? (see the picture if my explanation is too confusing.) (BTW: for those interested in spinning something really fast I worked out a method for getting really high RPMs with low friction without blowing a bearing. It's also on my web page.) -Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 12 20:54:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04947; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:50:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:50:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD4E08.C6E2D020@pm3-137.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Butch? -- What would this do? Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:47:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD4E08.C6EA7140" Resent-Message-ID: <"qwT7V3.0.8D1.IiB2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD4E08.C6EA7140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Gary Shannon[SMTP:reboot@rio.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 10:19 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Butch? -- What would this do? >Basically, a coil is wrapped around a flexible core, and then that core = is >wrapped around another core. If the inner flexible core is conductive = and >passes a current in the opposite direction from the larger winding it = seems >like the fields would almost cancel out leaving no net magnetism in the >large core. But the smaller core would have some kind of peculiar = field >around it that I can't quite figure out. I tried a coil like this that was toroidally wound; no effect. BUT: it = was only air core, no wire around which the wire was twisted before = being coiled, and I only used 3A. DC, if I remember correctly... I'll = try something like this when I get the opportunity. I'll let you know = the results. BTW: Anyone here know of any unusual effects such as = twitching occuring just as a toroid coil is connected to a car battery? = I noticed some. Best Regards, Kyle R. 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To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0shTq1.0.f_3.9nJ2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---Gary Shannon wrote: > > Butch, and all, > > (BTW: for those interested in spinning something really fast I worked out a > method for getting really high RPMs with low friction without blowing a > bearing. It's also on my web page.) > > -Gary. Gary, I happened to glance at your page last nite and saw the bearing thingy....Question...what sort of bearing do you use to hold the "bearing" shaft? == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 09:14:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29152; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:12:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:12:05 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <24ceb957.350968b3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:11:15 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Butch? -- What would this do? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"DENmm.0.977.YZM2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary, Give me a day to think about it. I don't want to answer to quick on this one. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 17:08:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18447; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:56:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:56:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19980314112702.3a7fc8fe@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (16) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:27:02 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Electricity from the air Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P8mWO2.0.9W4.CNT2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Some time a ago there was a request I believe for an article thas was avaialable detailling the work of a Perth WA backyard inventor and tinkerer who had discovered what he thought were ways of improving electrical collection from solar cells That article can now be found at hhtp://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/electri.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 17:46:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20822; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:37:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:37:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD4EB6.C78D9100@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Testing an unusual device Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:32:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id RAA20674 Resent-Message-ID: <"cokQY1.0.A55.YzT2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all: How might someone go about testing a device that may be capable of producing anomalous thrust with no propellant? What would you recommend as a test? It is a rotating device. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 P.S.: I have not divulged anything else since my results so far are inconclusive. I want to be 100 percent sure before I go making claims. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 18:07:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01746; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:05:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:05:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Re: Testing an unusual device In-Reply-To: <01BD4EB6.C78D9100@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u69l9.0.AR.nNU2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > How might someone go about testing a device that may be capable of > producing anomalous thrust with no propellant? What would you recommend > as a test? It is a rotating device. Classic method: hang it from a cable, see if it can deflect sideways. variant: build a huge "tone arm" with a counterweight, which will let your device "fly" in 3D Make sure to seal your device inside a plastic bag, which will prevent the tiniest air motion from escaping from it and acting as a jet. If your device uses any high voltage at all, better make that a grounded aluminum foil bag. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 18:13:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26009; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:11:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul Brown" To: Subject: Re: Testing an unusual device Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:09:43 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd4eee$410b8960$13a99bcf@isonix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7fplu2.0.JM6.STU2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 7:03 PM Subject: Testing an unusual device >Greetings all: > >How might someone go about testing a device that may be capable of producing anomalous thrust with no propellant? What would you recommend as a test? It is a rotating device. > >Thanks, >Kyle Randall Mcallister >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >Phone: 228-875-0629 >Fax: 228-872-5837 > >P.S.: I have not divulged anything else since my results so far are inconclusive. I want to be 100 percent sure before I go making claims. > > The pendulum test will measure resultant thrust of any kind. Weight the experiment, then suspend it from some elevated point by tether. Mark the vertical line. Activate the experiment and measure the deviation. Based upon the known mass of the device and its deviation, you can calculate the thrust. A simple and very effective method. Paul Brown From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 18:56:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14084; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:53:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:53:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:52:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803140252.SAA08907@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Butch? -- What would this do? Resent-Message-ID: <"w2K8v2.0.pR3.G4V2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Gary and all, At 08:19 PM 3/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >Butch, and all, > >There seems to be a lot of expertise about coils and magnetic fields on >this list. I dreamt up a weird way to wind a coil that I think might have >some strange properties. It's kind of hard to explain, so I put a picture >up at http://rio.com/~reboot/Coils.html >Basically, a coil is wrapped around a flexible core, and then that core is >wrapped around another core. If the inner flexible core is conductive and >passes a current in the opposite direction from the larger winding it seems >like the fields would almost cancel out leaving no net magnetism in the >large core. But the smaller core would have some kind of peculiar field >around it that I can't quite figure out. Any insights? (see the picture if >my explanation is too confusing.) > Yes that looks interesting. The "slow" spiral would be like the flex. inner conductor - producing a solenoid field, opposing with opposite currents. But, the main field would be along the axis of the smaller flexible core, I'd guess? Have you wound a test coil yet and explored it with a magnet or compass? You could extend this to many higher orders- the 6+ turn coil could be lengthened into a toroid, or itself made very long and itself wound into another solenoid (next order up!), etc. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 18:56:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14346; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:54:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:54:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:53:50 +0200 (EET) From: "Mika L." Reply-To: "Mika L." To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Re: Testing an unusual device In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rTqIr3.0.zV3.A5V2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, William Beaty wrote: > On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > > How might someone go about testing a device that may be capable of > > producing anomalous thrust with no propellant? What would you recommend > > as a test? It is a rotating device. > > Classic method: hang it from a cable, see if it can deflect sideways. Good method if the center of gravity of the device does not move. (Simple device moving weight from one side to another could look like having a thrust.) I think this moving of the center of gravity could be eliminated by trying different cable lengths (not sure, but should be easy to calculate). Or by measuring forces in the upper end of the cable (for example by letting the upper end of the cable move horisontally with low friction). A problem with the measurements are shaking movements of the device. These could be reduced by connecting two similar devices, with opposite directions of rotations, side by side with a rigid body. Mika From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 20:18:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04350; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:15:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:15:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199803140415.UAA15765@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Butch? -- What would this do? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:11:23 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x7Ru52.0.s31.pHW2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Butch? -- What would this do? > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 6:02 AM > > > > Gary, > > I happened to glance at your page last nite and saw the bearing > thingy....Question...what sort of bearing do you use to hold the > "bearing" shaft? > > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com Since the larger wheels turn much slower just about any conventional ball bearing would do. I've built a small prototype using model airplane wheels that just spin on a shaft with no bearings and it seems to work just fine. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 20:18:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04383; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:15:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:15:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199803140416.UAA15777@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Testing an unusual device Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:23:45 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"10H-63.0.641.sHW2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com One easy way is to hang the device, pendulum style, from the ceiling and see if it moves. --Gary. ---------- > From: Kyle R. Mcallister > To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > Subject: Testing an unusual device > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 5:32 PM > > Greetings all: > > How might someone go about testing a device that may be capable of producing anomalous thrust with no propellant? What would you recommend as a test? It is a rotating device. > > Thanks, > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 > > P.S.: I have not divulged anything else since my results so far are inconclusive. I want to be 100 percent sure before I go making claims. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 20:22:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05547; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:20:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:20:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199803140420.UAA15983@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:28:16 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD4EBE.8DFF1820" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"opjX61.0.LM1.xLW2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4EBE.8DFF1820 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:22:16 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Idr_d.0.AH4.MJW2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There's a way to create a Zero-Force insertion point near the end of a magnet which allows a like pole to be brought very close to the magnet without the moving (rotor) magnet experiencing any repulsion from the stationary magnet. Take two magnets, A and B (see attached .GIF) and place them with their N poles together. Now magnet B is choosen to be about 10 times weaker than magnet A. If you use the inverse square law to compute the net strength of the magnetic field (where + is atracting and - is repelling) you will notice that there is a point where the attractive force of the smaller magnet over powers the repulsive force of the larger magnet because of the closeness to the smaller magnet. The larger magnet will always be further away, but as the distance from magnet B becomes smaller the ratio of the distance from A to the distance from B becomes very large. As you move further away from the pair there is always a point where the total magnetic force is zero. After that, for some distance out, the repulsive force actually increases with distance from the pair. (shaded area under the curve) So it seems to me that if the moving (rotor) magnet can be slid in along the line of zero force, and then moved slightly away it will suddenly experience a rapidly increasing repulsive force from which energy can be drawn. If magnet B has a thickness of t, and magnet A is s times stronger then the relative force at distance d will be given by F = 1/d^2 - s/(d+t)^2 where a negative value of F is repelling. comments? --Gary From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 20:34:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10299; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:32:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:32:32 -0800 From: "Paul Brown" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd4f02$1fa248e0$79a89bcf@isonix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lMVot.0.rW2.VXW2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Take two magnets, A and B (see attached .GIF) and >place them with their N poles together. Now magnet B is choosen to >be about 10 times weaker than magnet A. In practice, the stronger magnet will attract the weaker magnet just as if the weaker magnet were a simple piece of iron. It is simple to try; get a NIB magnet and a ceramic magnet (physical sizes will not matter). Define North and South poles for each magnet. Orient the magnets so that the two North poles should repel; you will find the NIB magnet simply attracks the ceramic. Not matter what the calculations say, this is what happens in the real world. Paul Brown From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 21:26:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19820; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:24:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:24:13 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:24:10 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3509f298.2308053@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <2b9ba1bb.35080731@aol.com> <350841BC.189D@keelynet.com> In-Reply-To: <350841BC.189D@keelynet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p1bPV3.0.Wr4.xHX2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:12:44 -0800, Jerry W. Decker wrote: [snip] >Within minutes, all vehicle electrical systems within about a 2 mile >radius of the house stopped working and cars and trucks in the area >simply stopped running. After this went on for awhile, somehow the FCC >got involved and managed to triangulate on the source of the disturbance >where they confiscated the radio and the frequency was of course not >mentioned. But the story indicates it could well be within our capacity >(no pun intended) to achieve. If true, then it might be reasonable to expect that this frequency would not be part of the allocated radio spectrum. So...are there any holes in the allocated spectrum? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 13 22:39:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07150; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:37:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:37:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803140636.WAA23062@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:44:12 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pXgHn2.0.el1.qMY2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've just built an experimental model out of cardboard and ceramic disk magnets and observed the predicted zero force point, AND the sudden reversal from attracting to repelling. I'll put the exact dimensions and specs for magents used on my webpage tomorrow so anyone who wants can replicate the experiment. It takes about 30 minutes to build out of junk box parts. See for yourself. --Gary http://www.rio.com/~reboot ---------- > From: Paul Brown > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 8:31 PM > > >Take two magnets, A and B (see attached .GIF) and > >place them with their N poles together. Now magnet B is choosen to >be > about 10 times weaker than magnet A. > > In practice, the stronger magnet will attract the weaker magnet just as if > the weaker magnet were a simple piece of iron. It is simple to try; get a > NIB magnet and a ceramic magnet (physical sizes will not matter). Define > North and South poles for each magnet. Orient the magnets so that the two > North poles should repel; you will find the NIB magnet simply attracks the > ceramic. Not matter what the calculations say, this is what happens in the > real world. > > Paul Brown > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 00:20:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09871; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:19:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:19:28 -0800 From: "Paul Brown" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd4f21$d4b3a520$c2a89bcf@isonix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ssmsx1.0.8Q2.EsZ2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I've just built an experimental model out of cardboard and ceramic disk >magnets and observed the predicted zero force point, AND the sudden >reversal from attracting to repelling. I'll put the exact dimensions and >specs for magents used on my webpage tomorrow so anyone who wants can >replicate the experiment. It takes about 30 minutes to build out of junk >box parts. See for yourself. > >--Gary http://www.rio.com/~reboot > The proof is in the pudding. If you have built a working experiment; Congratulations! I stand corrected. I am anxious to see it. Just for clarification; the experiment is a self-powered permanent magnet motor? If so, I wish you the very best of luck. I will have to go out in the shop and retry your geometry. Paul Brown From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 00:54:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15635; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:52:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:52:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803140851.AAA28091@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:59:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QShdm.0.Dq3.NLa2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: Paul Brown > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 12:18 AM > > > > > > The proof is in the pudding. If you have built a working experiment; > Congratulations! I stand corrected. I am anxious to see it. Just for > clarification; the experiment is a self-powered permanent magnet motor? If > so, I wish you the very best of luck. I will have to go out in the shop and > retry your geometry. > Paul Brown > No, it's not a self powered magnetic motor. Not yet, anyway. What it is is a simple test rig to verify the zero-force point, and to verify that the compound "push-pull" magnet can both attract and repel depending on distance to the movable magnet. And that another magnet can, indeed, be slipped in close to a repelling pole without experiencing any repulsive force. It took me less than half an hour to build (out of stiff cardboard backing from a writing tablet and white glue, and a handfull of ceramic "craft" magnets. The experimenet is very well behaved and repeatable, and anybody should be able to replicate it without trouble. The details and specifications can be found at http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 01:17:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17455; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:13:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul Brown" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:11:09 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd4f29$20ccfb80$c2a89bcf@isonix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wy6GM1.0.eG4.Yea2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary Shannon wrote: >So it seems to me that if the moving (rotor) magnet can be slid in >along the line of zero force, and then moved slightly away it will >suddenly experience a rapidly increasing repulsive force from which >energy can be drawn. > An again Gary Shannon writes: >No, it's not a self powered magnetic motor. Not yet, anyway. What it >is is a simple test rig to verify the zero-force point, and to verify that >the compound "push-pull" magnet can both attract and repel >depending on distance to the movable magnet. And that another >magnet can, indeed, be slipped in close to a repelling pole without >experiencing any repulsive force. Then Gary I simply refer back to my statement of observed fact. The stronger magnet will attract the weaker magnet. However, I do now see the point you are trying to make, and I do agree that such a "zero-force point" does exist; it is the point in space between the two magnets where the attractive force of the stronger magnet is equal to the force of repulsion between the two. That is, a point exists where the two forces cancel; okay. However, the claim that the repulsive force is available for extraction of energy is the problem. The same amount of work used to bring the magnets together is recovered in the repulsion; with no net gain. The wheel will not turn. Paul Brown From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 01:22:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18769; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:21:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:21:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350A4BB8.92B6913A@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:19:54 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? References: <199803140636.WAA23062@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"15IuE2.0.Ab4.2ma2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I found that effect ages ago, Hope you find a good use for it. (the only thing I could figure was for magnetic bearings) Paul, You can't have a NIB against a ceramic, it will just remagnetize the ceramic magnet. John Berry Gary Shannon wrote: > I've just built an experimental model out of cardboard and ceramic disk > magnets and observed the predicted zero force point, AND the sudden > reversal from attracting to repelling. I'll put the exact dimensions and > specs for magents used on my webpage tomorrow so anyone who wants can > replicate the experiment. It takes about 30 minutes to build out of junk > box parts. See for yourself. > > --Gary http://www.rio.com/~reboot > > ---------- > > From: Paul Brown > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 8:31 PM > > > > >Take two magnets, A and B (see attached .GIF) and > > >place them with their N poles together. Now magnet B is choosen to >be > > about 10 times weaker than magnet A. > > > > In practice, the stronger magnet will attract the weaker magnet just as > if > > the weaker magnet were a simple piece of iron. It is simple to try; get a > > NIB magnet and a ceramic magnet (physical sizes will not matter). Define > > North and South poles for each magnet. Orient the magnets so that the two > > North poles should repel; you will find the NIB magnet simply attracks > the > > ceramic. Not matter what the calculations say, this is what happens in > the > > real world. > > > > Paul Brown > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 03:31:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27128; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:29:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:29:37 -0800 Message-ID: <350A6A2A.5D8D6ECE@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:29:51 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: transformer generator Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------03E1075E6E7EA1CECB9C1E11" Resent-Message-ID: <"A7i26.0.ld6.Wec2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------03E1075E6E7EA1CECB9C1E11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The primary and secondary of a transformer are always in repulsion, the magnetic fields are in counter-phase. If you replace the primary coil with a rotating magnet the secondary does not know the difference so it will still be in counter-phase with the the magnet! It will always repel the magnet, There will be no drag on the magnet! free energy! This is all theory but there are generators like this and they are claimed to produce free energy! Some are patented! Can someone tell me why this wouldn't work? If the magnet produces the same magnetic field as the primary did why would there be any difference? 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generator X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <350A6A2A.5D8D6ECE@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yAqU41.0.Ha.X3e2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Berry wrote: > The primary and secondary of a transformer are always in repulsion, > the > magnetic fields are in counter-phase. > If you replace the primary coil with a rotating magnet the secondary > does not know the difference so it will still be in counter-phase with > > the the magnet! > It will always repel the magnet, There will be no drag on the magnet! > free energy! > > This is all theory but there are generators like this and they are > claimed to produce free energy! > Some are patented! > > Can someone tell me why this wouldn't work? > If the magnet produces the same magnetic field as the primary did why > would there be any difference? > > John berry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [Image] Hi, JohnI recommend you visit John Bedini page. This is a flux transformer. Nothing to do. These devices works on pulses, seeming OU, but you must rectify and filter the output, and you'll can see the reality... You need use NIB magnets to get a high output, but the you'll need a great motor to move the magnets. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 06:00:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06955; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:58:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:58:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350A9B33.B1021CC7@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:59:02 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: transformer generator References: <350A6A2A.5D8D6ECE@ihug.co.nz> <350A7F22.DC61B41E@ctv.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3DSrD1.0.ai1.Kqe2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I was not referring to John Bedini's generator, From what I remember it does not qualify, The page is not up right now though. I am not saying that anything that shows the slightest resemblance to this must work, What I am saying is that if you make it as much like a transformer as you can you should see good effects. If you can find any reason why this should not act like a transformer with the magnetic fields in counter-phase (always repelling) or any reason why it should not work even with smooth AC always repelling counter-phase magnetic fields then please do tell! John Berry Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > > Hi, JohnI recommend you visit John Bedini page. This is a flux > transformer. Nothing to do. > These devices works on pulses, seeming OU, but you must rectify and > filter the output, and you'll can see the reality... > You need use NIB magnets to get a high output, but the you'll need a > great motor to move the magnets. > Vicente. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 06:25:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12801; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:24:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:24:13 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:23:28 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: transformer generator Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_889885408_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"3P-681.0.w73.CCf2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_889885408_boundary Content-ID: <0_889885408@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_889885408_boundary Content-ID: <0_889885408@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: HLafonte Return-path: To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: transformer generator Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:21:56 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit John, Take a look at my web site as we have just finished (except of quickfields sims) a short course on the basics of the magneto. It has animation, many step by step color coded drawings, text, and soon Quickfield simulations. The attached file you sent is a basic magneto, period. But the basic magneto is a great starting place to develope an overunity device, I believe. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Research Site 1 --part0_889885408_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 06:49:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15696; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:48:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:48:33 -0800 Message-ID: <350AA73A.17CCCBDA@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:50:18 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fwd: transformer generator References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M0fs43.0.3r3._Yf2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I believe that the ford magneto may have been a transformer magneto, Anyway normal magneto's arn't any good unless they have a smooth AC magnetic field. John Berry HLafonte wrote: > > > John, > Take a look at my web site as we have just finished (except of quickfields > sims) a short course on the basics of the magneto. It has animation, many step > by step color coded drawings, text, and soon Quickfield simulations. The > attached file you sent is a basic magneto, period. But the basic magneto is a > great starting place to develope an overunity device, I believe. > Thanks, > Butch > LaFonte > Research Site 1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 11:20:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17616; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:18:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:18:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:17:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803141917.LAA21776@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: transformer generator Resent-Message-ID: <"nuy8j3.0.AJ4.IWj2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John and all, At 12:29 AM 3/15/98 +1300, you wrote: >The primary and secondary of a transformer are always in repulsion, the >magnetic fields are in counter-phase. >If you replace the primary coil with a rotating magnet the secondary >does not know the difference so it will still be in counter-phase with >the the magnet! >It will always repel the magnet, There will be no drag on the magnet! >free energy! > I think you drew a basic AC generator. Usually you see the magnet fixed and the coil rotating. It is very much like the Bedini/Cole converters and early (about 1870) Clark magnetoelectric generators - Rotate a horseshoe magnet by a horseshoe coil, the poles facing each other. N xxx xxx x x---- rotation axis xxx xxx coil S magnet The key is the coil current will oppose the change in the magnets flux, that it the voltage generated is from the change in flux/time. Thus it is opposing the magnet only 1/2 the cycle, during the "attraction". -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 17:30:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05209; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:28:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:28:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350B3CDA.FF79C8BE@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:28:43 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: transformer generator References: <199803141917.LAA21776@italy.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4D98ECB8CF1701935632AFCF" Resent-Message-ID: <"pYkon3.0.JH1.wwo2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D98ECB8CF1701935632AFCF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need a smooth magnetic sinusoidal wave, The generators below don't look like they are smooth enough. In fact the first pic I sent may not be smooth enough, But the attached pic is very smooth. The current and so also the magnetic fields of a transformer primary and secondary are both sinusoidal and in counter phase so they are always repelling, they are also symmetrical. If you now replace the primary with a magnet that is producing exactly the same magnetic field then the phase and shape of the magnetic waves will stay the same. Lenz Law has no more place here than in a transformer, The magnet and coil are at 180 rather than 90 degrees for Lenz Law. Rather than repelling when approaching and attracting when receding or even just repelling when approaching with no force when receding, It will repel when attracting the same amount that it repels when receding. It's been tested and patented. One last thing, It may be necessary to balance the load because in an ideal transformer the magnetic field strength of the primary is the same as the secondary and if you lessen the current in the secondary the primary will also have a reduced current to match, In the trans-gen it may be important to have the magnetic fields match strength as in a transformer. John Berry dave dameron wrote: > I think you drew a basic AC generator. Usually you see the magnet fixed and > the coil rotating. It is very much like the Bedini/Cole converters and early > (about 1870) Clark magnetoelectric generators - Rotate a horseshoe magnet by > a horseshoe coil, the poles facing each other. > N > xxx xxx > x x---- rotation axis > xxx xxx > coil S magnet > > The key is the coil current will oppose the change in the magnets flux, that > it the voltage generated is from the change in flux/time. 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charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"S4ThB1.0.-17.o_q2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I know this is off the list topic but. I have just bought a new Hewlett Packard camera and when I got it found it would only work with the windows 95 software whilst I am in the process of going to windows 95 I am stuck with 3.11 I have tried to install windows 95 twice and have had hardware difficulties Does anyone on this know where I can get software to download the camera images to my computer in format suitable for 3.11. Thanks ***************************************************************** Geoff Egel Check out my energy page at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Promoting the search for new energy sources for the 21st Century ,like to hear from you Snail Mail 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ***************************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 19:53:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29611; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:52:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:52:44 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 04:54:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199803150354.EAA10184@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Push-Pull magnet is great ! Resent-Message-ID: <"KeT9g2.0.VE7.B2r2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I propose everbody should look into this magnet configuration. If it will work, it is very easy to build a selfrunning permanent magnet motor: http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html Great concept. Very easy to try. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 20:40:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07078; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:38:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:38:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19980315150827.2f9f768c@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (16) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:08:27 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Electricity from the air Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EtbWK2.0.Uk1.Hjr2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Some time a ago there was a request I believe for an article thas was avaialable detailling the work of a Perth WA backyard inventor and tinkerer who had discovered what he thought were ways of improving electrical collection from solar cells That article can now be found at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/electri.htm sorry about the mixup with address for the second part and thanks to those that informed me of the mistake. Geoff ***************************************************************** Geoff Egel Check out my energy page at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Promoting the search for new energy sources for the 21st Century ,like to hear from you Snail Mail 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ***************************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 22:13:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23709; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:11:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:11:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:11:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150611.WAA24572@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: transformer generator Resent-Message-ID: <"ke-wP.0.Mo5.T4t2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John and all, At 02:28 PM 3/15/98 +1300, you wrote: >You need a smooth magnetic sinusoidal wave, The generators below don't look like >they are smooth enough. >In fact the first pic I sent may not be smooth enough, But the attached pic is >very smooth. > >The current and so also the magnetic fields of a transformer primary and >secondary are both sinusoidal and in counter phase so they are always repelling, >they are also symmetrical. > >If you now replace the primary with a magnet that is producing exactly the same >magnetic field then the phase and shape of the magnetic waves will stay the >same. I believe that's true. > >Lenz Law has no more place here than in a transformer, The magnet and coil are >at 180 rather than 90 degrees for Lenz Law. > >Rather than repelling when approaching and attracting when receding or even just >repelling when approaching with no force when receding, It will repel when >attracting the same amount that it repels when receding. > I disagree about the torque. Or are we now saying the same thing :-)? Actually I was referring to Faraday's law of induction with the change in the magnetic flux, not Lenz law. But I think Lenz Law applies too, it is a consequence of Faraday's law. Lenz' law says: "If a changing magnetic flux flows through a coil, the induced current in the coil will flow, if permitted, in such a direction to oppose the primary flux." This seems exactly the situation with your sec. coil. :-). I think Butch is right in his magneto pages. There are 2 components to the magnetic torque. One is without any sec. current flow. This will just be the attraction of the magnet to the poles. It will be attractive during the "approach" and a drag during the exit, and symmetrical. This is loosely similar to the magnetization current of a regular transformer. Faraday's law applies for the 2'nd component when current flows in the sec. This force will be a drag all around, that is a repulsion during the approach and a drag (attraction) during the exit. This is like the pri. load current of a transformer. Get an old telephone magneto generator and try it under load! Thus an sinusoidal value of torque (+/-) is required for the first component, but an absolute value(sinusoidal value) is required for the second- for a net energy input. The first can be balanced by another PM rotor, but I don't believe the second can (unless you have a PM motor!) This is the problem I see with the Bert Werjefelt magnetic battery. >It's been tested and patented. Which patent? I think there are many. -Dave > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 14 23:35:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01033; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:34:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:34:08 -0800 Message-ID: <350B92E5.9EC98170@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:35:54 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-L@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Patents Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E7qHP3.0.vF.lHu2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I was looking through differnt patents and found one that had no details at all except the 21 patents that refernced it. I found that they were so interesting I decided to post the page that lists the patents that refernce the patent I was looking up. http://www.patents.ibm.com/cgi-bin/db2www.cmd/v3ft/forwref.d2w/report?patent_number=3713015 John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 01:11:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11026; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:07:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: <350BA8EE.38CAB4F4@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:09:50 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: transformer generator References: <199803150611.WAA24572@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W722P3.0.4i2.kfv2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >Rather than repelling when approaching and attracting when receding or even > just > >repelling when approaching with no force when receding, It will repel when > >attracting the same amount that it repels when receding. > > > I disagree about the torque. Or are we now saying the same thing :-)? > I am saying that the coil will be repelling the magnet as the poles come in to alignment and out of alignment with the same strength if done correctly, So it will slow down on alignment and speed up by the same amount as the poles go out of alignment again. > Actually I was referring to Faraday's law of induction with the change in > the magnetic flux, not Lenz law. But I think Lenz Law applies too, it is a > consequence of Faraday's law. Lenz' law says: > > "If a changing magnetic flux flows through a coil, the induced current in > the coil will flow, if permitted, in such a direction to oppose the primary > flux." Lenz law I though was a bit different, But anyway the situation is that the induced current will be in the opposite direction to the flux inducing it. > This seems exactly the situation with your sec. coil. :-). > > I think Butch is right in his magneto pages. There are 2 components to the > magnetic torque. One is without any sec. current flow. This will just be the > attraction of the magnet to the poles. It will be attractive during the > "approach" and a drag during the exit, and symmetrical. This is loosely > similar to the magnetization current of a regular transformer. > Faraday's law applies for the 2'nd component when current flows in the sec. > This force will be a drag all around, that is a repulsion during the > approach and a drag (attraction) during the exit. This is like the pri. load > current of a transformer. Get an old telephone magneto generator and try it > under load! > > Thus an sinusoidal value of torque (+/-) is required for the first > component, but an absolute value(sinusoidal value) is required for the > second- for a net energy input. > The first can be balanced by another PM rotor, but I don't believe the > second can (unless you have a PM motor!) This is the problem I see with the > Bert Werjefelt magnetic battery. > > >It's been tested and patented. > Which patent? I think there are many. Well there is the kromrey converter, There is a page on the kromrey converter but it is in german but it works fine through AltarVistas babelfish translator. (the US patent is not on the ibm patent server)http://www.sax.de/~stalker/borderland/energy.kromrey.html http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 01:32:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22439; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:30:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:30:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150929.BAA25106@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:37:31 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FzfY4.0.XU5.3_v2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Then Gary I simply refer back to my statement of observed fact. The stronger > magnet will attract the weaker magnet. However, I do now see the point you > are trying to make, and I do agree that such a "zero-force point" does > exist; it is the point in space between the two magnets where the attractive > force of the stronger magnet is equal to the force of repulsion between the > two. That is, a point exists where the two forces cancel; okay. However, the > claim that the repulsive force is available for extraction of energy is the > problem. The same amount of work used to bring the magnets together is > recovered in the repulsion; with no net gain. The wheel will not turn. > Paul Brown > > The point is that there is a closed curve (actually a surface) along which there is no net force on the moving magnet. (There are THREE magnets involved, two stationary and one moving. Build the test rig on my web page to see the real effect I'm talking about. I only takes 20-30 minutes to build.) The moving magnet could not move in a circular motion, nor could it be attached to a wheel. However, as long as the moving magnet moves in a path that remains on the zero force surface then no work is performed in moving it. As the moving magnet is moved slightly outside of this surface repulsion INCREASES with increasing distance between the moving magnet and the two magnets that make up the stationary stack. Now the moving magnet can be brought around to where it is attracted by the opposite pole of the compound stack magnet, and pulled in until it reaches the zero-force surface. The complete circuit of the moving magnet would be 1. being pulled in by attraction from one pole, 2. being moved to the vicinity of the other pole by a path that followed the zero-force surface, and then being pushed away by the repulsion of the other pole. Finally, the moving magnet would be taken back around to where it could once again experience the attraction of the opposite pole of the compound stack. The force used to bring the magnet close to the repelling pole is a combination of allowing the opposite pole to pull it close, then moving it, at a cost of zero work, to the opposite zero-force point, and then moving it slightly out of the zero-force surface and allowing repulsion to push it away. I agree that the wheel will not turn, because the design does not include a wheel in the first place. The path described by the moving magnet would have to be quite complex, and as soon as I finish mapping out the shape of the zero-force surface I'll work out the mechanics of moving the magnet along that path. I suspect it's going to look more like a piston engine than a wheel. with some kind of compound linkage to guide the moving magnet around the path it needs to take to be positioned near the repelling pole with no net expenditure of energy. Also, I'm mapping out the zero-force points around a DOUBLY compound magnet that has zero-force points at BOTH poles. I suspect I can create an arrangement where the moving magnet will be attracted until it comes within a certain distance, at which point it will be repelled (the opposite of the test rig on my web page). If I can get that to work then the rest will be easy. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 01:37:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13717; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:36:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:36:02 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD4EB6.C78D9100@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:47 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Testing an unusual device Resent-Message-ID: <"CcUL61.0.AM3.14w2r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > How might someone go about testing a device that > may be capable of producing anomalous thrust with > no propellant? What would you recommend as a > test? It is a rotating device. Like the others said, but you also need to check it this way: Put it inside a box or platform just big enough to contain it, and hang it from its CG. If it can deflect itself so that the outer edge of the container moves out and stays steadily beyond the vertical line (marked by where the suspension line was before the device was powered up), then it's an anomalous and apparently non-conservative force. To clarify that a bit, if you hung a second line with a small weight on the end from the same connection above the device while it's running, and the line doesn't touch the device, it's time to celebrate. If it can't do that, it might still be something but you haven't proven anything by this method even by seeing it move out a bit, because the condition where the outer edge of the device doesn't quite go beyond that vertical line can be simulated with gyros and it isn't anomalous. If it's steady state thrust and not lunging or pulsing, but too weak to push it out beyond the vertical line as described above, the boat method should be good. If it can propel a boat without rocking itself back and forth so it surfs its own waves for propulsion (not anomalous - similar to scooting your chair across the floor by jerking your body), then it's probably something special. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 02:24:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27100; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:22:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:22:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:20:48 +0200 (EET) From: "Mika L." To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Testing an unusual device In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LyFPH1.0.Md6.Ylw2r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > How might someone go about testing a device that > may be capable of producing anomalous thrust with > no propellant? What would you recommend as a > test? It is a rotating device. A good test is to put this device to an other end of a some rigid body and a counterweight to the other end. If you hang this from the ceiling and you set the expected thrust to a proper direction, the thrust should spin the hanging construction. This should be quite accurate because the possible force accumulates and the speed of spinning should increase continuously. In addition you can increase the mass of the construction and build whatever you like suspensions to the construction to eliminate vibrations. Adding mass to the system should only decrease the acceleration of the spinning. Just choosing the string or the cable in this case is more critical. There should be probably some kind of a bearing. But one can also start experimenting without... Mika From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 11:13:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24253; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:11:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:11:18 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <43d8318e.350c2759@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:09:11 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point?(Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"UWPlm1.0.sw5.KV23r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary, This part looks very interesting, please keep us posted, you may be on to something. Butch In a message dated 98-03-15 04:30:22 EST, you write: << Now the moving magnet can be brought around to where it is attracted by the opposite pole of the compound stack magnet, and pulled in until it reaches the zero-force surface. The complete circuit of the moving magnet would be 1. being pulled in by attraction from one pole, 2. being moved to the vicinity of the other pole by a path that followed the zero-force surface, and then being pushed away by the repulsion of the other pole. Finally, the moving magnet would be taken back around to where it could once again experience the attraction of the opposite pole of the compound stack. The force used to bring the magnet close to the repelling pole is a combination of allowing the opposite pole to pull it close, then moving it, at a cost of zero work, to the opposite zero-force point, and then moving it slightly out of the zero-force surface and allowing repulsion to push it away. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 12:32:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19267; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:29:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:29:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152029.MAA10498@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Resent-Message-ID: <"PbSW9.0.ai4.-e33r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Gary and all, At 12:59 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote: > >No, it's not a self powered magnetic motor. Not yet, anyway. What it is >is a simple test rig to verify the zero-force point, and to verify that the >compound "push-pull" magnet can both attract and repel depending on >distance to the movable magnet. And that another magnet can, indeed, be >slipped in close to a repelling pole without experiencing any repulsive >force. It took me less than half an hour to build (out of stiff cardboard >backing from a writing tablet and white glue, and a handfull of ceramic >"craft" magnets. The experimenet is very well behaved and repeatable, and >anybody should be able to replicate it without trouble. > >The details and specifications can be found at >http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html > How do you "slip" a third movable magnet into position to the zero-point without requiring the force = to the repelling force you get back upon moving away? It would be an OU loop! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 12:47:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24166; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:46:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:46:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199803152046.MAA16344@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:54:15 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l4E2u.0.Kv5.8u33r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: dave dameron > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 12:29 PM > > Hi Gary and all, > How do you "slip" a third movable magnet into position to the zero-point > without requiring the force = to the repelling force you get back upon > moving away? It would be an OU loop! > -Dave > That's the point! If you build the rig on my web page and then try the experiment from the opposite side of the swinging magnet you will find that the swingin magnet is attracted to the "push-pull" magnet, until it reaches a certain distance. At that point it is repelled. The magnet finds a place where the net force is zero, and it stays at that distance from the push-pull magnet. Now the theory is that the moving (i.e. swinging magnet in the rig) could be moved around to the other end of the push-pull magnet along the line of zero force. Then it would be in a position to be repelled. These explainations are a bit confusing, I'm afraid, so I'm going to put a diagram of the principle on my web site later today that should really clear up all the confusion. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 13:19:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01211; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:17:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:17:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:12:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199803152112.WAA05851@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Cc: ddameron@earthlink.net, reboot@rio.com Resent-Message-ID: <"kh3iI3.0.qI.aL43r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:29 15.03.1998 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi Gary and all, >At 12:59 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>No, it's not a self powered magnetic motor. Not yet, anyway. What it is >>is a simple test rig to verify the zero-force point, and to verify that the >>compound "push-pull" magnet can both attract and repel depending on >>distance to the movable magnet. And that another magnet can, indeed, be >>slipped in close to a repelling pole without experiencing any repulsive >>force. It took me less than half an hour to build (out of stiff cardboard >>backing from a writing tablet and white glue, and a handfull of ceramic >>"craft" magnets. The experimenet is very well behaved and repeatable, and >>anybody should be able to replicate it without trouble. >> >>The details and specifications can be found at >>http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html >> >How do you "slip" a third movable magnet into position to the zero-point >without requiring the force = to the repelling force you get back upon >moving away? It would be an OU loop! >-Dave > > If you could insert the swing magnet from the side at the zero force location , it could work ! Then it is only the question if on which path sideways would be no insert-force !? Maybe it is now harder to insert the swing magnet from the side ? Maybe there is a repelling force sideways ? If not this thing really can be an ou magnet motor !! Garry can you please tell us, if there is force required to insert the swing magnet from the side at the "zero-force-location" ? Or does it go in very easy at this location ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 14:26:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24647; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:18:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:18:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152217.OAA21470@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:25:08 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FTtfb.0._06.pE53r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've added a diagram and explanation of how I envision a complete OU cycle happening. This is just theoretical at this point, and I will try it as soon as I can and report the results. The diagram at explanation can be found at the bottom of the web page http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html It seems so far (with a few crude tests) that the magnet can be slipped in easily along the zero-force line AS LONG AS IT POINTS IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION. In other words, the moving magnet needs to be turned as it traces out the path of the zero-force line. (see the diagram on the web page.) Although it starts and ends woth the same face pointing in toward the push-pull magnet. --Gary From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 15:48:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02996; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:39:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:39:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:41:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199803152341.AAA10140@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Cc: jnaudin509@aol.com, reboot@rio.com Resent-Message-ID: <"6400g.0.kk.3R63r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 14:25 15.03.1998 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > > >I've added a diagram and explanation of how I envision a complete OU cycle >happening. This is just theoretical at this point, and I will try it as >soon as I can and report the results. > >The diagram at explanation can be found at the bottom of the web page >http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html > >It seems so far (with a few crude tests) that the magnet can be slipped in >easily along the zero-force line AS LONG AS IT POINTS IN THE CORRECT >DIRECTION. In other words, the moving magnet needs to be turned as it >traces out the path of the zero-force line. (see the diagram on the web >page.) Although it starts and ends woth the same face pointing in toward >the push-pull magnet. > >--Gary > > Has anybody got some time to simulate Fig 4 and Fig 5 via Quickfield ? Hi Jl, can you hear me ? :) Especially with Fig. 5 it seems very easy to build a running motor ! Also I would try first Fig 5. with a SINGLE magnet stack to avoid the problem of superimposing fields from the 2 stack-magnets ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 19:11:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13883; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:08:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:08:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803160205.SAA04553@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:13:13 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RnhwL2.0.pO3.LU93r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've added a diagram and explanation of how I envision a complete OU cycle happening. I'm building the device in Figure 5 of the web page right now. So far it looks very promising. The diagram at explanation can be found at the bottom of the web page http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html --Gary From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 21:56:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12913; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:53:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:53:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: An anti-grav thought Date: Sun, 15 Mar 98 21:54:01 -0700 x-sender: rparker@mail.metro.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Russ Parker To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <05523326709806@metro.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"LXh3W3.0.g93.5vB3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I hear that someone has conducted an experiment similar to the Finnish anti-gravity experiment. Reportedly he generated an anti-gravity force with a rotating magnetic field and a stationary superconducting disk instead of a rotating superconductor. Perhaps there is a connection here. Could the UFO have been using a similar mechanism to generate a counter-acting gravitational force where the magnetic fields affected the local power grid? Just wondering - aren't we all. Russ Parker Ignorance is Bliss - until it hurts. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 15 22:23:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17384; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:20:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:20:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:18:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803160618.WAA10554@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Resent-Message-ID: <"Uwf8u3.0.UF4.bIC3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Gary and all, At 12:54 PM 3/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Hi Gary and all, >> How do you "slip" a third movable magnet into position to the zero-point >> without requiring the force = to the repelling force you get back upon >> moving away? It would be an OU loop! >> -Dave >> >That's the point! If you build the rig on my web page and then try the >experiment from the opposite side of the swinging magnet you will find that >the swingin magnet is attracted to the "push-pull" magnet, until it reaches >a certain distance. At that point it is repelled. The magnet finds a >place where the net force is zero, and it stays at that distance from the >push-pull magnet. Now the theory is that the moving (i.e. swinging magnet >in the rig) could be moved around to the other end of the push-pull magnet >along the line of zero force. Then it would be in a position to be >repelled. > I have been thinking of your "slip" along a line of zero force and have convinced myself there is NO such line. Place a stronger magnet at x=0, and, for example the weaker one 1 unit away. Say the magnitudes are equal at a point which is 5X further from x=0 than the weaker one at x=1. (You can use another ratio than 5) What are all such points? One is at x=5/6. One sees that all such points have to be >= 1/6 from the smaller force. Another point is at 5/4. All such points are also <=1/4 from the smaller force. In 2 dimensions the point form an arc (probably a circle) passing through 5/6,0 and 5/4,0. In 3 dimensions, revolve this arc about the x axis. One sees that: The points are all close to the point 1,0 where the weaker magnet is. If you move away, by repulsion, you cannot connect to them again except by doing work. In particular, the other side of the stronger magnet. If you use the force directions, not just magnitudes, you are even more limited. At x=5/6 the repulsive force of the strong magnet add with the attraction of the smaller one. Well, it's probably inside the magnets, anyway. The point at x=5/4 is a zero force point, but it is the only one! All other "solution" have a net force, and repulsive outside these solution points. But I enjoyed this problem! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 05:06:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21994; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:04:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:04:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ec01bd50e4$3b1a8040$3b1a0fcb@glen> From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" To: Subject: Re; Anti-Grav ..... Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:32:48 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"fEWEC.0.XN5.iDI3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Well I researched/investigated (Field, Lab and collecting "eyewitness" accounts) of suspected UFO activity for a number of years - 23 to be precise. SOME ! - of the associated effects reported were.... Dizziness - or Disorientation Pungent Odor - In some tests we carried out - the "smell" was compared to High-Voltage discharge Ozone, the witnesses said that is was the "same smell" Big Clue there !!! Color effects - these have been observed to change as the "craft" changed direction / velocity - or was rising or "landing". The color changes (as reported by witnesses) did NOT appear to follow the sort of color shifts that one would normally associate with Doppler type shift - i.e red-blue shift effects might have been expected - but NOT observed. Interference to Radio ( A.M ) and T.V - here in Australia that would mean F.M There are many - MANY more. If there is interest, then I will spend some time and send out a better list, the ones shown above are the effects that immediately come to mind that MIGHT be relevant to our current line of investigation. Regards for now, Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 08:12:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18558; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:07:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:07:45 -0800 Message-ID: <19980316160821.22938.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:08:21 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"fKg2X3.0.uX4.GvK3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Stefan/All, I will try to put something together in Quickfield for this...so we can all see what's happening here. Will try to do tonite or tommorow.....Time permitting. Later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 08:32:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22831; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:28:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:28:38 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point ! Cc: a_rager@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:17:04 +0100 Message-Id: <19980316171704.2b1433b1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"k4Cw32.0.ca5.qCL3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:08 16.03.1998 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > >Hello Stefan/All, > >I will try to put something together in Quickfield for this...so we >can all see what's happening here. Will try to do tonite or >tommorow.....Time permitting. > >Later, > >== >Anton Rager >a_rager@yahoo.com > Thanks Anton, so far Garry has reported premiliary success with playing with Fig.5 from his WEB page in his hands. He told us, it seems to work ! :) But having a Quickfield simulation would make it all clearer what is really happening and how to optimize the effect. Thanks again. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 08:33:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23663; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:31:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:31:28 -0800 Message-ID: <350D6E08.4C42@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:23:04 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? References: <19980316160821.22938.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qjayU.0.an5.VFL3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Anton! I believe it is grav3.asc probably in the gravity or energy sections. Try; http://keelynet.com/gravity/grav3.txt or http://keelynet.com/gravity.htm Only one person has ever reported to have built this and claims it shot of a plasma ball, it is very dangerous because of the high density magnetic fields associated with it, but that's what produces the anomalous effects. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 12:02:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25572; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:42:08 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? In-Reply-To: <19980316160821.22938.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O36yV3.0.UF6.x4O3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Anton Rager wrote: > Hello Stefan/All, > I will try to put something together in Quickfield for this...so we > can all see what's happening here. Will try to do tonite or > tommorow.....Time permitting. > Later, > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > Anton, did/does your "3D" Quickfield Sims work under linux? -=se=- ekwall2@diac.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 13:13:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23737; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:11:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:11:00 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:10:16 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point?(from Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"I4ULq3.0.po5.WLP3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-16 14:56:49 EST, you write: << > Hello Stefan/All, > I will try to put something together in Quickfield for this...so we > can all see what's happening here. Will try to do tonite or > tommorow.....Time permitting. > Later, > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > Anton, did/does your "3D" Quickfield Sims work under linux? >> I wonder, would any one on the list offer to do an animation of the device as it cycles? I am very impressed with Gary's work and I think an animation would be nice to view his development with. I would do it, but I'm still trying to learn Quickfield! Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 14:17:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19601; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:15:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:12:45 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Magnets for seperating steel sheets?( I lost info.) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"k2QRB.0.Ao4.fHQ3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I posted a question many months ago asking if anyone knew the principle behind a permanent magnet device that is used to seperate flat steel sheets in a stack so you can get your hands on them to lift or pull them one at a time. The magnet was placed on the side of the stack and the sheets seperated due to opposite poles on the sheets. I need to know the flux path from the magnet, then thru the steel and where the poles are on the individual sheets. If any one has this info. please let me know. A small simple gif would be great if not to much trouble. You can post direct if you wish to save list space. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 16:09:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21478; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:04:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:04:11 -0800 Message-ID: <350DBE1D.5304D0B4@cococo.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:04:46 -0500 From: James Rector Reply-To: rector@cococo.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: STOP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fnSyd.0.RF5.vtR3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I request that you please stop sending me your message. I am swamped with over 900 messages! REMOVE ME FROM THE MAILING LIST! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 16:55:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA31259; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:51:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:51:27 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bd513e$87afa7a0$a5ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"o9Uwl1.0.He7.CaS3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >No, it's not a self powered magnetic motor. Not yet, anyway. What it is >is a simple test rig to verify the zero-force point, and to verify that the >compound "push-pull" magnet can both attract and repel depending on >distance to the movable magnet. And that another magnet can, indeed, be >slipped in close to a repelling pole without experiencing any repulsive >force. It took me less than half an hour to build (out of stiff cardboard >backing from a writing tablet and white glue, and a handfull of ceramic >"craft" magnets. The experimenet is very well behaved and repeatable, and >anybody should be able to replicate it without trouble. > >The details and specifications can be found at >http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html > >--Gary. > Gary, I just verified the 3 distinct zones(attraction, null, repel) with some ceramic disk magnets with a hole in the center and a ball-point pen to hold them all in line. I am VERY excited about this! I hope I don't get fired tommorrow(Monday) at work because I have all I need there to build a quick prototype device with a plexiglass rotor arrangement. Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 17:15:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18113; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:11:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:11:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350DCA7B.28EB@microtec.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:57:31 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ROTARY MAGNET DEVICE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CZlM2.0.rQ4.OsS3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I found a VERY interesting patent: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=4443776 It's about a rotary magnet device that converts magnetic force into motion. It uses linear magnets. I want to build a small model of this motor, I have all the necessary materials (e.g. rubber magnets). From the patent, I have figured out some of it but I am still puzzled about the orientation of the poles. LET'S ALL GET ON THIS, this might just be what we are all searching for. Make gif images and 3d designs about what you figure out. sincerely, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 17:41:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14164; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:39:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:39:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: HLafonte cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnets for seperating steel sheets?( I lost info.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dFSvB1.0.wS3.pGT3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, HLafonte wrote: > I posted a question many months ago asking if anyone knew the principle behind > a permanent magnet device that is used to seperate flat steel sheets in a > stack so you can get your hands on them to lift or pull them one at a time. "fanning" magnets. Put the N side of one big magnet near one face of the stack, put the S side of another big magnet near the other face of the stack. This causes each sheet to have S on one edge, N on the other edge. These edges are all nearby each other. ALike poles repel. The sheets try to hover. I think this correctly implies that all permanent magnets "want" to explode just like the iron sheets "want" to repel each other. Drop a big, brittle rare-earth magnet, and if it shatters, the pieces might come out like bullets. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 19:21:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13023; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:18:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:18:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803170317.TAA29285@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Re; Anti-Grav ..... Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:18:39 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Pn3L.0.MB3.-jU3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I think a good list of observed effects would be a valuable resource! I, for one, would LOVE to see such a list. --Gary. ---------- > From: Glenville T. Sawyer > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re; Anti-Grav ..... > Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 6:02 AM > > Well I researched/investigated (Field, Lab and collecting "eyewitness" > accounts) > of suspected UFO activity for a number of years - 23 to be precise. > > SOME ! - of the associated effects reported were.... > > Dizziness - or Disorientation > > Pungent Odor - In some tests we carried out - the "smell" was > compared > to High-Voltage discharge Ozone, the > witnesses said that > is was the "same smell" > > Big Clue there !!! > > > Color effects - these have been observed to change as the "craft" > changed > direction / velocity - or was rising or "landing". > > The color changes (as reported by witnesses) did NOT appear to follow > the sort of color shifts that one would normally associate with > Doppler type > shift - i.e red-blue shift effects might have been expected - but > NOT observed. > > Interference to Radio ( A.M ) and T.V - here in Australia that would > mean F.M > > There are many - MANY more. > > If there is interest, then I will spend some time and send out a > better list, > the ones shown above are the effects that immediately come to mind > that MIGHT > be relevant to our current line of investigation. > > > Regards for now, > Glenville. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 20:52:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21367; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:48:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:48:48 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <94a63631.350e0080@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:47:58 EST To: billb@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:"fanning" magnets" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"0cfPS1.0.bD5.k2W3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, Thanks for the information, you saved me alot of time! Also, I showed your science club web site to my daughters school and they put a link to it on the school's webpage. You did a great job on it. Thanks again, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 21:24:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08956; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:21:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:21:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803170520.VAA08743@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:28:30 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD5122.76DA5540" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5ROj71.0.pB2.kXW3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5122.76DA5540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ---------- > From: dave dameron > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 10:18 PM > I have been thinking of your "slip" along a line of zero force and have > convinced myself there is NO such line. The slip line is real. Here's a field-strength map of the arrangement shown in figure 5 of my web page. (I've also added this map to my web page.) (GIF attached, and also available at http://www.rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html ) Here is a computed map of field strength around the magnet arrangement of figure 5. (This figure has the magnets lying sideways, pointing to the right.)  The red areas are attracing and the green areas are repelling. The black areas are the zero-force zones.  Note that the moving magnet can be moved anywhere within the zero-force zone without encountering either attraction or repulsion from any of the magnets.  This means that the "piston" magnet can be allowed to be attracted in the red zone, until it reaches the black zone nearest the attracting pole.  (path marked "A") At that time it can be moved along the black zone back to a position far away from the attracting pole, and allowed fall into the attracting zone again. (path marked "B") Or it can be moved through the black zone to a place near the lower green zone, and allowed to be pushed away by the repelling pole. 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insertion point? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:36:21 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fLqKW2.0.KW2.weW3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: davelook > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > Gary, > I just verified the 3 distinct zones(attraction, null, repel) with some > ceramic disk magnets with a hole in the center and a ball-point pen to hold > them all in line. I am VERY excited about this! > I hope I don't get fired tommorrow(Monday) at work because I have all I > need there to build a quick prototype device with a plexiglass rotor > arrangement. > Dave L. I'm not sure a rotor will move the magnets in the correct path. I'm computing some details field strength maps around the double push-pull magnet arrangement to determine exactly what path the moving magnet will have to take to stay in the null zone. BTW: Using electrets instead of magnets this principle could also be applied to a free-energy electrostatic motor. In fact, since electrets would be monopole sources the field computations would be a lot easier! -Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 16 23:42:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA30824; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:40:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:40:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:40:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803170740.XAA06364@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Magnets for seperating steel sheets?( I lost info.) Resent-Message-ID: <"xJ81O2.0.YX7.mZY3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill, At 05:38 PM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: ... >I think this correctly implies that all permanent magnets "want" to >explode just like the iron sheets "want" to repel each other. Drop a big, >brittle rare-earth magnet, and if it shatters, the pieces might come out >like bullets. Yes this is true. More likely, from experience :-(, is that the pieces "flip" then stick back together N to S in a clump. Try holding them back together makes one appreciate the repulsice forces in a neodym. magnet! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 02:13:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08675; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:11:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:11:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350E5A79.C86D433E@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:11:53 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? References: <199803170520.VAA08743@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bowfD1.0.R72.Tna3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is anyone making a quickfield diagram of this? John Berry Gary Shannon wrote: > ---------- > > From: dave dameron > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > > Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 10:18 PM > > > > > I have been thinking of your "slip" along a line of zero force and have > > convinced myself there is NO such line. > > > > The slip line is real. Here's a field-strength map of the arrangement > shown in figure 5 of my web page. (I've also added this map to my web > page.) (GIF attached, and also available at > http://www.rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html ) > > Here is a computed map of field strength around the magnet arrangement of > figure 5. (This figure has the magnets lying sideways, pointing to the > right.) The red areas are attracing and the green areas are repelling. > The black areas are the zero-force zones. Note that the moving magnet can > be moved anywhere within the zero-force zone without encountering either > attraction or repulsion from any of the magnets. This means that the > "piston" magnet can be allowed to be attracted in the red zone, until it > reaches the black zone nearest the attracting pole. (path marked "A") At > that time it can be moved along the black zone back to a position far away > from the attracting pole, and allowed fall into the attracting zone again. > (path marked "B") Or it can be moved through the black zone to a place near > the lower green zone, and allowed to be pushed away by the repelling pole. > (path marked "C") Either way, there is a zero-force path for the magnet to > travel which brings it to a place of higher potential energy, seemingly for > free! > > -Gary. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: field1.gif > field1.gif Type: GIF Image (image/gif) > Encoding: base64 > Description: field1.gif (GIF Image) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 07:17:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04175; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:14:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:14:31 -0800 Message-ID: <19980317151337.21247.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"n0tJI3.0._01.MDf3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yup --- Almost done with Flux and Strength stills....will put into an animated GIF sometime today. ---John Berry wrote: > > Is anyone making a quickfield diagram of this? > > > John Berry > > > Gary Shannon wrote: > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 07:36:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07868; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:31:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:31:15 -0800 From: K easy Message-ID: <3491bfa7.350e971c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:30:34 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Electrets source? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"iPYTT2.0.sw1.2Tf3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-17 00:29:26 EST, you write: << BTW: Using electrets instead of magnets this principle could also be applied to a free-energy electrostatic motor. In fact, since electrets would be monopole sources the field computations would be a lot easier! >> Speaking of electrets, does anyone know of a source? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 08:24:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19420; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:20:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:20:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:22:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199803171622.RAA08688@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Cc: a_rager@yahoo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"lHQJG.0.Fl4.aBg3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:13 17.03.1998 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > >Yup --- Almost done with Flux and Strength stills....will put into an >animated GIF sometime today. > > What does it show ? Any anomalies ? -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 09:31:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00994; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:21:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:21:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980317171827.24247.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? To: Stefan Hartmann , freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"UbAeO2.0.LF.t3h3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > What does it show ? > Any anomalies ? > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net > > > I'm not really seeing anything wierd......That's why it's taking a bit longer than I thought. The stuff that I put together this morning doesn't show a 'null' area.....Perhaps I need to get a bit more ganular with the movements of the magnets. [think I'm moving about .02m per sim, and have looked from about .01m-.18m separations]. Also -- how far apart are the magnets when you 'feel' the 'null' area? He's what I setup in Quickfield -- |SN|SN|NS| |NS| I'm moving the larger block with the three magnets towards/away from the single one. All of the magnets are Alinco [magnitude=147218A/m]. Perhaps I should try another magnet type? More later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 09:37:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03176; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:33:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:33:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980317173224.7931.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QeADl.0.Wn.iFh3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary/All, Gary -- What's the idea behind the rotating GIF thingy on your main page [http://rio.com/~reboot/index.html]? Curious, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 10:09:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09037; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803171803.KAA12830@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:11:58 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i6XKL.0.vC2.Ojh3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I was just playing around with the idea of a "fractal" gyro. One that starts with two rotating masses, and then each rotating mass is replaced by an axis around which two more rotating masses spin at right angles, and so on, until the many rotating masses trace out some kind of complex 3-space curve. I have no idea what it's supposed to be, or what it's supposed to do. I just thought it looked kind of cool! --Gary. ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Unidentified subject! > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:32 AM > > > Gary/All, > > Gary -- What's the idea behind the rotating GIF thingy on your main > page [http://rio.com/~reboot/index.html]? > > Curious, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 10:10:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09060; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803171803.KAA12824@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:08:15 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rkHN43.0.zC2.Ojh3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I'm trying to figure out how QuickField works. In the meantime I've written a short little C++ program to draw the map of field strength, and I've mapped the null ares out by hand using a small magnet attached to a very thin brass spring. By moving the spring-loaded magnet around in the field I can readily identify the null zones. Also, with a stack of four disk magnets, one of which is turned around, a fifth magnet brought close to the end of the stack will very clearly be attracted until it hits the null zone. Once in the null zone it resists any attempts to move it closer OR further away. The null zone is VERY easy to see with a real life experiment. If it doesn't show up on Quickfield I have to confess I'm at a loss to explain why. --Gary ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: Stefan Hartmann ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:18 AM > > ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > What does it show ? > > Any anomalies ? > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net > > > > > > > > > I'm not really seeing anything wierd......That's why it's taking a bit > longer than I thought. The stuff that I put together this morning > doesn't show a 'null' area.....Perhaps I need to get a bit more > ganular with the movements of the magnets. [think I'm moving about > .02m per sim, and have looked from about .01m-.18m separations]. Also > -- how far apart are the magnets when you 'feel' the 'null' area? > > He's what I setup in Quickfield -- > > |SN|SN|NS| |NS| > > > I'm moving the larger block with the three magnets towards/away from > the single one. All of the magnets are Alinco [magnitude=147218A/m]. > Perhaps I should try another magnet type? > > More later, > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 10:14:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09004; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803171803.KAA12808@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Electrets source? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:59:01 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IkroG2.0.RC2.Jjh3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've often wondered if dipping a highly charged metalic sphere into some kind of liquid plastic would coat it with enough insulator to prevent, or least significantly reduce charge leakage. The the sphere should hold onto its charge (indefinitely?) Has anybody tried anything like that? __gary. ---------- > From: K easy > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Electrets source? > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 7:30 AM > > In a message dated 98-03-17 00:29:26 EST, you write: > > << > BTW: Using electrets instead of magnets this principle could also be > applied to a free-energy electrostatic motor. In fact, since electrets > would be monopole sources the field computations would be a lot easier! > >> > Speaking of electrets, does anyone know of a source? > Ken Keasy@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 10:29:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27778; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:26:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:26:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199803171827.KAA14717@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:35:15 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ka48X3.0.rn6.i1i3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It occured to me that the field lines aren't as important as the vector of field strength and direction of force at each point within the field. Another magnet can be moved ALONG a line of magnetic force with no expenditure of work, so the null zones will not be empty of lines of force, but the _force vector_ would show zero length in the null zone, and increasingly attractive or repulsive vectors as you stray away from the null zone. So it might not be very usefull to draw a map of the lines of force, and from what I've seen of quickfield force vector maps the vector lines tend to get pretty jumbled and hard to read. What I will attempt next is a strictly mathematical analysis of total vectors of force on the moving magnet at each point in the cycle, to see if, mathematically, there is a zero-force return path possible that might not show up very clearly in a field map picture. If the exact x,y coordinates of points within the null zones can be computed then those points mark the path the moving magnet must follow on its return trip out of the field. --Gary. > > I'm not really seeing anything wierd......That's why it's taking a bit > longer than I thought. The stuff that I put together this morning > doesn't show a 'null' area.....Perhaps I need to get a bit more > ganular with the movements of the magnets. [think I'm moving about > .02m per sim, and have looked from about .01m-.18m separations]. Also > -- how far apart are the magnets when you 'feel' the 'null' area? > > He's what I setup in Quickfield -- > > |SN|SN|NS| |NS| > > > I'm moving the larger block with the three magnets towards/away from > the single one. All of the magnets are Alinco [magnitude=147218A/m]. > Perhaps I should try another magnet type? > > More later, > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 11:05:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08118; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:02:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:02:46 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:01:56 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: How would zero force insertion mix with "Big Y" for o/u? Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_890161316_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"JS1DD.0.i-1.JZi3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_890161316_boundary Content-ID: <0_890161316@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_890161316_boundary Content-ID: <0_890161316@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: HLafonte Return-path: To: reboot@rio.com Subject: How would zero force insertion mix with "Big Y" for o/u? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:00:34 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gary and all, If any one has time, take a look at the Quickfield sim that Greg Watson did a good time ago of my "BigY" and see if you see any way Gary's design might make the "Big Y " design a sure o/u device. Here is the link. Thanks, Butch lafonte.html at www.microtronics.com.au --part0_890161316_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 11:07:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09071; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:04:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:04:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19980317190040.18900.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"lknLw3.0.VD2.oai3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Will try to make some time during lunch [Denver time] to play with QF a bit more. I will also try the effect with several NIBs and perhaps some ceramics to get a feel for where/what is happening. I figured QF would show what the flux/strength is doing....but I'm not seeing it. Quickfield is far easier than C++ ;) Main thing is to get a decent matlib.dms file -- I snarfed one from Greg Watson's site. Then just make sure that you label all of the blocks in your drawing [including the surrounding air]. Also place vertices at outermost corners of drawing, and place edges all the way around to form a box [with those vertices as corners of the box - your picture should be somewhere inside the box]. Label the outer edges 'Zero'. Create mesh,Save and Graph away. If it can't create the mesh, you probably need to re-define the spacing. Increase it and try creating the mesh again. Also -- just stick with the older DOS version. I use the Win95 version for drawing layout, then solve and manipulate with the DOS version. The W95 version seems to crash often when solving...and nukes my drawing files. Seems to have better drawing tools, and files are compatible with DOS version. If anyone disagrees, please let me know. This is what I have gathered/discovered from looking at Greg Watson's QF stuff, and playing on my own -- the documentation sucks. ---Gary Shannon wrote: > > I'm trying to figure out how QuickField works. In the meantime I've > written a short little C++ program to draw the map of field strength, and > I've mapped the null ares out by hand using a small magnet attached to a > very thin brass spring. By moving the spring-loaded magnet around in the > field I can readily identify the null zones. Also, with a stack of four > disk magnets, one of which is turned around, a fifth magnet brought close > to the end of the stack will very clearly be attracted until it hits the > null zone. Once in the null zone it resists any attempts to move it closer > OR further away. The null zone is VERY easy to see with a real life > experiment. If it doesn't show up on Quickfield I have to confess I'm at a > loss to explain why. > > --Gary > > ---------- > > From: Anton Rager > > To: Stefan Hartmann ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:18 AM > > > > ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > What does it show ? > > > Any anomalies ? > > > > > > -- > > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > > > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > > > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not really seeing anything wierd......That's why it's taking a bit > > longer than I thought. The stuff that I put together this morning > > doesn't show a 'null' area.....Perhaps I need to get a bit more > > ganular with the movements of the magnets. [think I'm moving about > > .02m per sim, and have looked from about .01m-.18m separations]. Also > > -- how far apart are the magnets when you 'feel' the 'null' area? > > > > He's what I setup in Quickfield -- > > > > |SN|SN|NS| |NS| > > > > > > I'm moving the larger block with the three magnets towards/away from > > the single one. All of the magnets are Alinco [magnitude=147218A/m]. > > Perhaps I should try another magnet type? > > > > More later, > > == > > Anton Rager > > a_rager@yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 12:37:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06243; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:34:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:34:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803172033.MAA24797@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:40:47 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dusLc2.0.SX1.Ivj3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 11:00 AM > > > Will try to make some time during lunch [Denver time] to play with QF > a bit more. I will also try the effect with several NIBs and perhaps > some ceramics to get a feel for where/what is happening. I figured QF > would show what the flux/strength is doing....but I'm not seeing it. > > > Quickfield is far easier than C++ ;) Main thing is to get a decent Quickfield may be easier than C++ if you know quickfield! Besides, I've always thought the QuickField pictures looked kind of "clunky". Anyway, I did a C++ program to draw force vectors (strength and direction) around the twin push-pull magnet arrangement and posted the pictures on my webpage. (I'm home sick today with a bad cold, so I'm using the time to goof off ) There is clearly a free-energy path through the field, but a circular path for the moving magnet won't cut it for sure! -Gary. http://rio.com/~reboot/magnet1.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 12:51:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09209; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:45:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: <19980317204508.1999.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"p_tIU2.0.kF2.64k3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary/All, Played with this a bit during lunch -- I can't duplicate what I think you are 'feeling' Here's what I tried: |NS|NS|SN| |SN| <--move--> I used retangular Radio-Shack magnets, and even tried stacking them in larger numbers. What I seemed to feel was was the attraction of the two outermost magnets......What am I missing? This must be a really subtle effect, or else I'm doing something completely different. Should I be moving them from side to side instead of just towards each other? Help, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 13:15:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15494; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:13:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:13:32 -0800 Message-ID: <350EE87C.30C5BA28@dcache.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:17:48 -0500 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Anti-Grav ..... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199803170317.TAA29285@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PTiA81.0.zn3.wTk3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary Shannon wrote: > > I think a good list of observed effects would be a valuable resource! snip Hi Gary and Glenville One of the best references on UFO's is a book by Paul R. Hill "Unconventional Flying Objects, a scientific analysis" ISBN 1-57174-027-9 I picked up a copy at Barnes & Noble recently. What is interesting is Hill's approach, taking the reports and accepting them as input then providing an analysis that starts with the physics we know. Check it out. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 16:21:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16698; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:16:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:16:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003001bd5202$95c882c0$8dec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:12:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"fM1Wj3.0.g44.D9n3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >BTW: Using electrets instead of magnets this principle could also be >applied to a free-energy electrostatic motor. In fact, since electrets >would be monopole sources the field computations would be a lot easier! > >-Gary. > What's an electret? Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 16:35:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09378; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:31:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:31:17 -0800 Message-ID: <350F2445.BAF5D481@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:32:54 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? References: <19980317204508.1999.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ge2Ol2.0.HI2.INn3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have been getting this effect for years and it is very simple to see. Ceramic magnets is what I use and it works fine, You have a stack of 10 or so magnet with the end one turned over to repel the other nine, push them hard together, Then get another magnet of small compass and you will see the effect, I believe that if quickfield is good it will show this effect, But you should try a 5-1 ratio, that is five magnets in attraction with one on the end in repulsion. John Berry Anton Rager wrote: > Gary/All, > > Played with this a bit during lunch -- I can't duplicate what I think > you are 'feeling' > > Here's what I tried: > > |NS|NS|SN| |SN| > > <--move--> > > I used retangular Radio-Shack magnets, and even tried stacking them in > larger numbers. What I seemed to feel was was the attraction of the > two outermost magnets......What am I missing? This must be a really > subtle effect, or else I'm doing something completely different. > Should I be moving them from side to side instead of just towards each > other? > > Help, > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 16:39:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10931; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:35:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:35:54 -0800 Message-ID: <350F2561.4CD7A4E7@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:37:38 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: nutation/(not any longer)Unidentified subject! References: <199803171803.KAA12830@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MrFu_1.0.Wg2.dRn3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It is called nutation and it is three axis of rotation, where as precession is two axis or rotation. Gary Shannon wrote: > I was just playing around with the idea of a "fractal" gyro. One that > starts with two rotating masses, and then each rotating mass is replaced by > an axis around which two more rotating masses spin at right angles, and so > on, until the many rotating masses trace out some kind of complex 3-space > curve. I have no idea what it's supposed to be, or what it's supposed to > do. I just thought it looked kind of cool! > > --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 17:25:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27422; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:20:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:20:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350F1DB1.2FA0@microtec.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:04:49 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: I FOUND KITS References: <199803172033.MAA24797@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rS0vt1.0.Ji6.p5o3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI ALL, In an Email I got From Jim he wrote something about a kit. JIM WROTE: >The third is the first Minato device. "Bicycle wheel device." >I want to make the kit as practical and as easy as possible to start >with. You should Email him back your questions and offer him your support. His Email is: jel@1dove.com Thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 17:26:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25013; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:24:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:24:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:24:31 +1000 Message-Id: <199803180124.LAA01043@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Electrets source? Resent-Message-ID: <"2sFOu2.0.k66.T9o3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I've often wondered if dipping a highly charged metalic sphere into some >kind of liquid plastic would coat it with enough insulator to prevent, or >least significantly reduce charge leakage. The the sphere should hold onto >its charge (indefinitely?) Has anybody tried anything like that? > >Gary > >The spherical cofigurations, i postulate, have >superior "triggering", "focusing" and "regeneration" potentials, compared >with other, less potent polyhedra. > >Bo > Speaking of spheres, and their potential FE applications, is anyone else onto what happens at the exact _center_ of a charged sphere?? Ceramics? You mean as in piezo? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 23:39:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24302; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803180736.XAA10834@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:26:52 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HuLIw2.0.ex5.rct3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Try letting the moving magnet hang on a swing ( like the rig on my web page) and arrange them |NS|NS|NS|SN| |NS| (four magnets seems to be about optimum for the effect for some reason) and you'll see the free swinging magnet "find" the null zone by itself. It gets attracted to the null zone, then once inside, gets repelled back to the null zone. It refuses to get closer OR further away, but mainatains a fixed distance from the stack. Keeping all the magnets on the same center line is critical. And no, once you find the null zone there's nothing subtle about it. It did notice that trying it with stronger magnets made it harder to find. Maybe it works best with medium strength magnets for some reason? --Gary. ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 12:45 PM > > > Gary/All, > > Played with this a bit during lunch -- I can't duplicate what I think > you are 'feeling' > > Here's what I tried: > > |NS|NS|SN| |SN| > > <--move--> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 17 23:39:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24347; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803180736.XAA10862@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:44:43 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aD02I1.0.Iy5.6dt3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com An electret is the static electricity version of a magnet. And object that is "permanently" charged with an electrostatic charge. They are commonly used in "electret" microphones, among other things. -Gary. ---------- > From: davelook > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point? > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 4:12 PM > > > >BTW: Using electrets instead of magnets this principle could also be > >applied to a free-energy electrostatic motor. In fact, since electrets > >would be monopole sources the field computations would be a lot easier! > > > >-Gary. > > > What's an electret? Dave L. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 00:38:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21248; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:35:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:35:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:34:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803180834.AAA06475@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point Resent-Message-ID: <"ICf6y.0.wB5.sSu3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:26 PM 3/17/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Try letting the moving magnet hang on a swing ( like the rig on my web >page) and arrange them >|NS|NS|NS|SN| |NS| (four magnets seems to be about optimum for the >effect for some reason) >and you'll see the free swinging magnet "find" the null zone by itself. >> Yeah, it worked with ceramic magnets the first try. Interesting effect :-) Are you going to build a rotor unit? :-) Regards, Michael >--Gary. >---------- >> From: Anton Rager >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - QF Sims? >> Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 12:45 PM >> >> >> Gary/All, >> >> Played with this a bit during lunch -- I can't duplicate what I think >> you are 'feeling' >> >> Here's what I tried: >> >> |NS|NS|SN| |SN| >> >> <--move--> >> >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 04:40:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA00574; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:38:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:38:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19980318123824.7369.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:38:24 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - I can feel the Power! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"GKnrU1.0.p8.M1y3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks Gary, Looks like I had the outer magnet reversed. With a stack of 4 and 1 opposing, I can feel the attractive/repulsive areas easily with my hands. Will re-do Quickfield sims -- I had the magnets in wrong orientation. For some reason I thought the opposite configuration was what your WWW page was describing. Thanks for the clarification. BTW -- QF seemed to show what I was feeling with the wrong config. Let's see what it shows with the correct one! I'll play with some strong NIBs later [when I can find stronger tape :) ] and see how it 'feels' with them. Hope I don't crush my pinkys again.......... ---Gary Shannon wrote: > > > Try letting the moving magnet hang on a swing ( like the rig on my web > page) and arrange them > |NS|NS|NS|SN| |NS| (four magnets seems to be about optimum for the > effect for some reason) > and you'll see the free swinging magnet "find" the null zone by itself. It > gets attracted to the null zone, then once inside, gets repelled back to > the null zone. It refuses to get closer OR further away, but mainatains a > fixed distance from the stack. Keeping all the magnets on the same center > line is critical. And no, once you find the null zone there's nothing > subtle about it. It did notice that trying it with stronger magnets made > it harder to find. Maybe it works best with medium strength magnets for > some reason? More later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 05:54:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15317; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:52:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:52:14 -0800 Message-ID: <19980318135146.13182.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - New Idea To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"6yZbX1.0.Al3.C6z3r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Gary/All, Been playing with the effect a bit more and have found some cool things. Try this -- Stator Rotor / /NS/NS/NS/NS/ / |NS|NS|NS|NS|SN| |NS|--------- | | ASCII art sucks, but here's the gist. Move the outer right magnet up and down in an arc-like motion [imagine furthest right point of line horizontal as axle] What seems to happen is that the top angled magnet stack of the stator attracts the rotor magnet, and the arc of the rotor carries it into the 'zero point' magnet configuration. This seems to be the magic regauging area we've all been looking for! The exit force from the 'zero-point' portion of the stator seems to be much less than the entry point of the normal [top] portion of the stator array. Looks like it could be a motor to me. Later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 08:27:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24915; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350FF0FE.5640@microtec.net> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:06:22 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SORRY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F4y2.0.C56.CG_3r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HOW SAD, I was SURE he was designing a MINATO Bycicle wheel kit. I was the first one to ask for a kit. But it's another kit he is designing and the MINATO was JUST an IDEA. Here's what he replied to me after he received your Emails: Patrick, I am getting emails from people asking me for a Minato kit. I can't understand who told them I had a kit, which I do NOT and where are they getting my email address? When we spoke of possible kit ideas and I stated the Minato wheel device was a better choice than the magnetic wheel you sent, this in no way meant I had such a device. If I have a device to sell I will be the one to post the data. I DO NOT have these latter kits here and they were BEST KIT ideas involving Free Energy research. Patrick, please retract any statements you made in my behalf. This partial repost is misleading and totally out of context to our conversation. This can ONLY serve confusion and mistrust! If you re-post a reply from me, please be sure you include the whole conversation. Patrick said - Hi Jim, I have found a VERY interesting patent about a self running magnet device: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=4443776 You should seriously consider it for your kit. I want to build a small model of this device. patrick tremblay my reply was - I have looked at this one and studied it before. It will be expensive and hard to construct. This might be tough for a "kit". I am afraid I could not afford to pay for a production of that one. The first one I have in mind is a simple device. The second one is the one I sent you from the JLN pages. The third is the first Minato device. "Bicycle wheel device." I want to make the kit as practical and as easy as possible to start with. Thank you Jim Jim was reffering to the kit he is making, the other devices are future kit choice. SORRY I got too excited, I wanted that kit too. Next time I find something I will ask the guy if he has the kit and I will also ask if I may post the data to this list first. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 11:32:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12034; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:26:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:26:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199803181925.LAA13298@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - New Idea Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:33:44 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4AgcP2.0.vx2.X_14r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com WOW, that looks interesting! I've just built a "general purpose" rotor for trying some of these ideas out. It's just a 5-inch rotor turning horizontally on a vertical brass shaft with some really good bearings. It spins for several minutes after I give it a start by hand. There aren't any magnets on it, but I've made it in a way that will let me temporarily attach different magnets in different configurations to it so I can try out some of these ideas without having to re-build each one from scratch. BTW: here's another interesting one I found: N |SN|SN|SN|NS| S The "rotor" magnet is 90-degrees to the stack. Just holding it by hand it seems to want to sweep right past the stack, being attracted on the incoming side and repelled on the outgoing side. I'm going to try to set this arrangement up on my "general purpose" rotor and see what happens. I've also been taking another look at Butch's "Big-Y" magnet configuration at http://www.microtronics.com.au/%7Egwatson/lafonte.html to see if there might be some interesting way to combine the configurations, like maybe a "big-Y" of stacked push-pull magnets, or some such thing. --Gary. ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - New Idea > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 5:51 AM > > > Hello Gary/All, > > Been playing with the effect a bit more and have found some cool things. > > Try this -- > > Stator Rotor > > > / > /NS/NS/NS/NS/ / > |NS|NS|NS|NS|SN| |NS|--------- > | > | > > ASCII art sucks, but here's the gist. Move the outer right magnet up > and down in an arc-like motion [imagine furthest right point of line > horizontal as axle] > > What seems to happen is that the top angled magnet stack of the stator > attracts the rotor magnet, and the arc of the rotor carries it into > the 'zero point' magnet configuration. This seems to be the magic > regauging area we've all been looking for! The exit force from the > 'zero-point' portion of the stator seems to be much less than the > entry point of the normal [top] portion of the stator array. > > > Looks like it could be a motor to me. > > Later, > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 11:58:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01347; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:50:33 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - I can feel the Power! In-Reply-To: <19980318123824.7369.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y13gI.0.vK.tO24r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Anton Rager wrote: -snip- > > I'll play with some strong NIBs later [when I can find stronger tape > :) ] and see how it 'feels' with them. >" Hope I don't crush my pinkys > again.........." > DON'T YOU just HATE it when THAT happens. (grins) ooch ouch :) -- I guess it's better than the beginning battery makers always licking / touching their units to check out the charge was 'good'! (smiles to all:) -=se=- ekwall2@diac.com Real Men use PM' anyway, so we cannot even yell kill the power to the EM! (ouch) just thinking about a PM balanced zero-forced slotted lazy-boy or folding chair....snap,snap.. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 18 12:00:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19863; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:56:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:56:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19980318195231.17254.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:52:31 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Zero force insertion point - New Idea To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"DiBtl1.0.8s4.WR24r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---Gary Shannon wrote: > > WOW, that looks interesting! > > I've just built a "general purpose" rotor for trying some of these ideas > out. It's just a 5-inch rotor turning horizontally on a vertical brass > shaft with some really good bearings. It spins for several minutes after I > give it a start by hand. There aren't any magnets on it, but I've made it > in a way that will let me temporarily attach different magnets in different > configurations to it so I can try out some of these ideas without having to > re-build each one from scratch. Sounds like a good test platform. I'm a big Duct-Tape advocate for temp projects like this...... I will try out some things during lunch today as well [hopefully longer.....It's snowing in Denver today, and just might not be able to make it back to the office - Darn!] My initial post was from just 'feeling' around. Nothing scientific.... > > BTW: here's another interesting one I found: > > N > |SN|SN|SN|NS| S > > The "rotor" magnet is 90-degrees to the stack. Just holding it by hand it > seems to want to sweep right past the stack, being attracted on the > incoming side and repelled on the outgoing side. I'm going to try to set > this arrangement up on my "general purpose" rotor and see what happens. > Interesting. Sounds like a somewhat similar idea? I'll play with it as well. BTW - How large does the rotor magnet need to be for this design? Keep us up to date.... == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 05:29:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14644; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:27:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:27:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bd5339$fcc126c0$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: David Callaghan To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: [OT} Magnetophosphenes? Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:16:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JhzFn.0.ka3.SrH4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all, The device to produce Magnetophosphenes you are duscussing I actually produced some 8 years ago. I tested it on myself and friends, some of who did not like the experience and removed the helmet immediately. Anyway I ended up in hospital after suffering a 'Grand Mal' seizure or something. I had originally tried a similar thing using optical stimulation using ultra-bright LED's (which are commercially available) which causes a similar effect. With a map of the human brain it should be possible to target specific areas of the brain for stimulation. I was able to move limbs involuntary using this device. I used beat frequency oscillations utilising electro-magnets from the left side of my head to the left, with variable frequency from 0.1 to 50Hz. I had the seizure after long term (> 5 minute) exposure at above 45Hz. The magnets I used where standard 12V 1A pull solenoids (the cube ones you see when you look up solenoid in an electronics catalog) I happened to use at work, driven with a 36VDC, 10A power supply at a lowish duty to avoid overheating. If anyone is interested I may help someone to produce a device like this, but I won't be trying it! I was thinking along the lines of a many magnet device controlled by a PC using user feedback to 'tune' the device. Regards David Callaghan -----Original Message----- From: Jerry W. Decker To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday March 12 1998 07:59 Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? >Hi Gary et al! > >You wrote; >> I saw something on the Discovery channel a few months ago about a >> helmet with heavy-duty electromagnets that produced acute anxiety >> attacks in people that wore it. It had something to do with >> stimulating some particular area of the brain magnetically. I wish I >> could remember more. > >Sounds precisely like the work of Michael Persinger at Laurentian >University. He took a football helmet, drilled holes in it, glued in >nails with small coils wrapped each to make individual solenoids...then >hooked each nail up to a driver....much like the dot matrix head on a >printer....by energizing certain matrix patterns, he could produce >specific effects in the subjects. The amount of magnetic energy needed >to produce effects is ridiculously low. There is no reason any of us >could not use the parallel port and a decoder box OR a 16 or 32 channel >I/O card (about $50 now) to do this on our own......take a chance, >blow your mind....for real..... > >My interest in this is based on Dr. Thelma Moss' work (in addition to >Persinger) who found there were patterns that could induce euphoria, >creativity, hunger, sickness, thirst, even psychic abilities... > >With regard to FREE ENERGY (topic of list)...I think the creativity >enhancement uses of such technology would let us open up different >viewpoints and perspectives that might, if we did our homework, show us >the correlations that we are all missing, else there would BE a working >f/e, or o/u device BY NOW.... > >So, DMT and talking to elves, magnetic matrix stimulation of the brain, >lateral thinking, discussions and experiments, whatever it takes for >that one critical 100th monkey breakthrough....we aren't getting any >younger...... >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 05:37:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21253; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:33:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <4796dd76.35111e0b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:30:49 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Test (Delete) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"CtBlA.0.-B5.BwH4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Test (Delete) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 11:30:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18293; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:26:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:26:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199803191925.JAA29567@ranger.t-link.net> From: "Alastair Couper" Organization: Aquarian Electronics To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:26:03 +10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Magnets for seperating steel sheets?( I lost info.) Reply-to: aquarius@t-link.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: Resent-Message-ID: <"PEefd1.0.dT4.g5N4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, >From my experience in doing just as you say, those magnets DO explode when dropped. A word of warning when playing with NIBs, that they will send chips flying if they get out of hand. And it is quite humorous to try and epoxy the shards back together again. So indeed, the magnet is partially balancing the attraction of the chemical bonds of its molecular structure against the repulsion caused by the concentration of flux lines. This perhaps puts some theoretic ceiling on the highest magnetic strength attainable. Alastair Couper aquarius@t-link.net Aquarian Electronics Maui,Hawaii http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/aquarian.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 12:33:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02452; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <3ca3ce95.35117d4f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:17:17 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Question about simple magnetic circuit (Help!) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_890338637_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"rkCkD.0.Ec.atN4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_890338637_boundary Content-ID: <0_890338637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Please see the attached file and if anyone could tell me what happens when you close the switch on the battery and increase the flux to the magnetic circuit that already exists. Is the increase in flux able to travel thru the permanent magnet or is it saturated? If the permanent magnet is saturated, where does the increase in field strength appear in the magnetic circuit? 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Resent-Message-ID: <"pCrW_2.0.wi6.gCR4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Content-ID: <0_890338637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi all, >Please see the attached file and if anyone could tell me what happens when you >close the switch on the battery and increase the flux to the magnetic circuit >that already exists. Is the increase in flux able to travel thru the permanent >magnet or is it saturated? If the permanent magnet is saturated, where does >the increase in field strength appear in the magnetic circuit? Does it go to >the ferrite only because it is blocked from going thru the saturated magnet >(if the magnet is saturated)? What happens here when you increase the already >existing field strength of this circuit by closing the coil circuit? If all 3 >ferrite bars are seperate pieces, does the attractive force between them >increase even if the magnet was saturated to begin with. >Thanks, >Butch > >Content-ID: <0_890338637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> >Content-type: image/gif; > name="BUTCH236.GIF" >Content-disposition: inline > >Attachment converted: Power Mirror 1:BUTCH236.GIF (GIFf/JVWR) (00008B44) Butch you are stupid and stop posting your stupid images to the list. Keep them on you own dang site. Duuuuhhhh !!! Bonehead From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 17:17:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21173; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:12:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:12:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:09:22 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question about simple magnetic circuit (Help!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vxX6G1.0.lA5.n9S4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Patrick Herda wrote: > > > >Hi all, > >Please see the attached file and if anyone could tell me what happens when you > >close the switch on the battery and increase the flux to the magnetic circuit > >that already exists. Is the increase in flux able to travel thru the permanent > >magnet or is it saturated? If the permanent magnet is saturated, where does > >the increase in field strength appear in the magnetic circuit? Does it go to > >the ferrite only because it is blocked from going thru the saturated magnet > >(if the magnet is saturated)? What happens here when you increase the already > >existing field strength of this circuit by closing the coil circuit? If all 3 > >ferrite bars are seperate pieces, does the attractive force between them > >increase even if the magnet was saturated to begin with. > >Thanks, > >Butch > > > >Content-ID: <0_890338637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> > >Content-type: image/gif; > > name="BUTCH236.GIF" > >Content-disposition: inline > > > >Attachment converted: Power Mirror 1:BUTCH236.GIF (GIFf/JVWR) (00008B44) > Butch you are stupid and stop posting your stupid images to the list. Keep > them on you own dang site. > > Duuuuhhhh !!! > > Bonehead > Patrick (ever) Herda, that there ARE *NO STUPID QUESTIONs!*, (never) Herda from your reply if you answered the above question???? (Hint), Don't over saturate there;) TIA -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 19:01:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03714; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:56:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3511E94A.37A5E326@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:58:02 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question about simple magnetic circuit (Help!) References: <3ca3ce95.35117d4f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3YOUx.0.xv.dhT4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Magnets are not very permeable to magnetic flux. John Berry HLafonte wrote: > Hi all, > Please see the attached file and if anyone could tell me what happens when you > close the switch on the battery and increase the flux to the magnetic circuit > that already exists. Is the increase in flux able to travel thru the permanent > magnet or is it saturated? If the permanent magnet is saturated, where does > the increase in field strength appear in the magnetic circuit? Does it go to > the ferrite only because it is blocked from going thru the saturated magnet > (if the magnet is saturated)? What happens here when you increase the already > existing field strength of this circuit by closing the coil circuit? If all 3 > ferrite bars are seperate pieces, does the attractive force between them > increase even if the magnet was saturated to begin with. > Thanks, > Butch > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 20:39:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22507; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:36:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:36:12 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:33:52 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question about simple magnetic circuit (Help!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"vJiJ31.0.YV5.t8V4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-19 19:09:34 EST, you write: << Butch you are stupid and stop posting your stupid images to the list. Keep them on you own dang site. Duuuuhhhh !!! Bonehead >> Would you like to come to my home and say that face to face? I don't think you have the guts. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 21:15:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02285; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:14:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:14:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3511FB12.AB0ABDCE@bway.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:13:54 -0500 From: Khem Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [OT} Magnetophosphenes? References: <000801bd5339$fcc126c0$96d2989e@david-callaghan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-gju62.0.YZ.ViV4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com David Callaghan wrote: > > Hello all, > > The device to produce Magnetophosphenes you are discussing I actually > produced some 8 years ago. I tested it on myself and friends, some of who > did not like the experience and removed the helmet immediately. Anyway I > ended up in hospital after suffering a 'Grand Mal' seizure or something. I > had originally tried a similar thing using optical stimulation using > ultra-bright LED's (which are commercially available) which causes a similar > effect. > > With a map of the human brain it should be possible to target specific areas > of the brain for stimulation. I was able to move limbs involuntary using > this device. > > I used beat frequency oscillations utilising electro-magnets from the left > side of my head to the left, with variable frequency from 0.1 to 50Hz. I > had the seizure after long term (> 5 minute) exposure at above 45Hz. > > The magnets I used where standard 12V 1A pull solenoids (the cube ones you > see when you look up solenoid in an electronics catalog) I happened to use > at work, driven with a 36VDC, 10A power supply at a lowish duty to avoid > overheating. > > If anyone is interested I may help someone to produce a device like this, > but I won't be trying it! I was thinking along the lines of a many magnet > device controlled by a PC using user feedback to 'tune' the device. > > Regards > > David Callaghan You might want to take a look at what Michael Persinger has been up to over on the National Library of Medicine's MEDLINE Database - for starters try 'Repeated verbal interruptions during exposure to complex transcerebral magnetic fields elicit irritability: implications for opiate effects', Perceptual and Motor Skills 1996 Apr;82(2):639-42. Note that he's using microTesla & nanoTesla fields, a bit weaker than the Geomagnetic background. The there's his 'On the Possibility of directly accessing every human brain by electromagnetic induction of fundamental algorithms', Perceptual and Motor Skills 1995 Jun;80(3 Pt 1):791-9 Which means pretty much what it says. Papa Teilhard's 'Noosphere' may be closer than we think. Or just maybe some boring techno-hell 'shut up & shop' signal system. -Khem From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 19 21:32:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04719; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:30:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:30:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199803200530.VAA23606@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Question about simple magnetic circuit (Help!) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:38:53 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZC9Ag1.0.c91.lxV4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Patrick Herda wrote: > > Butch you are stupid and stop posting your stupid images to the list. Keep > > them on you own dang site. > > > > Duuuuhhhh !!! > > > > Bonehead > > I've been on this list for a while now, and I have always been happy to see it free of childish personal attacks. Now this Patrick Herda surfaces from out of nowhere (first time I've every seen the name on this list) to sling a lot of pointless mud. Seems some people have useful and interesting things to talk about (like Butch, and the many other contributors to the list) while others just hide in the bushes until they are moved to jump out and yell obscenities, or scrawl grafitti for a cheep thrill. Dear Patrick Herda: I'd rather have 100 Butch's with something to contribute that one whiner who hides in the bushes between random attacks. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 08:06:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06877; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980320154854.17772.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Question about simple magnetic circuit (Help!) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"3jje21.0.Kh1.x9f4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Butch you are stupid and stop posting your stupid images to the list. Keep > them on you own dang site. > > Duuuuhhhh !!! > > Bonehead > Hello Patrick/Butch and all, This just doesn't seem appropriate for the list. Patrick, if this is truely how you feel, next time let Butch know....not the entire list. It makes you look bad. Butch -- same goes for you. I sense an upcoming online arguement here between you two, so I would reply to Patrick directly.....the rest of the list doesn't need to be involved. Peace, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 10:06:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27812; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:01:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <1d150e9.3512ae49@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:58:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Follow up on post about simple magnetic circuit. Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_890416711_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"FMm9-1.0.To6.kxg4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_890416711_boundary Content-ID: <0_890416711@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My last post asking about the effects of adding to the field strength of a magnetic circuit by passing current thru a coil in that circuit was for this reason. If this circuit is a rotor in a magnet motor design, and the stator increases the field strength on one end of the rotor I need to know if that increase will be transfered to the opposite end of the rotor or will it be stop by the permanent magnet in the rotor as shown in the file I attached to the post. Will the additional flux flow with and add to the field strength of the existing magnet or will the magnet block it. If it did block it, where will the increase in field strength show up. It has to make a complete magnetic circuit, N to S . I have attached a better file to show the rotor I speak of. 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by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10941; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: PATRICK HERDA HAS VIOLATED RULE#1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"weTNq.0.kg2.4vh4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Patrick Herda wrote: > Butch you are stupid and stop posting your stupid images to the list. Keep > them on you own dang site. > Duuuuhhhh !!! > Bonehead I don't believe this. Patrick Herda, you have violated the Number One rule of this forum. (see below) Flamers are not tolerated here. I suggest that you apologize. If you see no need for an apology, or wish to insult others here in the future, then please make this clear. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L FREENRG-L RULES ( WARNING! PLEASE READ! ) 1. NO FLAMEWARS: use private email for impolite messages. If your message is the least bit angry, hostile, or apt to be insulting, do not send it to freenrg-L. Instead, use private email to send it directly to your target. VIOLATORS RISK IMMEDIATE UNSUBSCRIPTION. See "Flamewars" below for details. ******************************************************************** FLAMEWARS Email psychology has an interesting effect: it breeds long outbursts of angry messages between two or more parties. To prevent these "flamewars", I must prohibit all impolite messages. This has some consequences. For example, if someone attacks you or insults you, you must abandon any hope of defending yourself in front of the group. Or, if someone blatantly violates the forum rules, you may NOT use the list to angrily point out their transgressions. "Politeness" and "insult" of course are in the eye of the beholder. I ask that people try not to take insult. But more importantly, I DEMAND that all users craft their messages so that the RECIPIENT cannot take insult. Your complaint should be totally polite, emotionless, and non-accusatory. Often this is impossible to do. The solution is very, very simple: SEND THE MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO THE RECIPIENT, NOT TO FREENRG-L. When a flamewar breaks out, people usually blame a particular person for causing it, and they feel justified in responding. However, sending your angry response to freenrg-L is PROHIBITED. If you catch yourself thinking "well, he/she started, I was just defending myself," then, since you feel you find justification to violate rule #1 of this forum, you should not be here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 13:45:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10155; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:29:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:29:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3512DC87.66C2@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:15:51 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: DISCLAIMER References: <19980320154854.17772.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2KFyW.0.YU2.X-j4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I'm Patrick Tremblay, NOT Patrick Herda. Please don't confuse me with him...I understand. It's makes a funny feeling in my stomach when I read things like that about "patrick". I feel better to know it wasn't me you talked about. I did not say those words to butch. Never will I insult someone in this list. I am a very tolerant guy, since I am not perfect myself...I am still embarrassed for giving non-verified info about a MINATO kit that doesn't exist. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 14:15:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21909; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:11:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:11:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:10:57 +1000 Message-Id: <199803202210.IAA24171@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: [OT} Magnetophosphenes? Resent-Message-ID: <"EgieI1.0.sL5.6ck4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > The there's his 'On the Possibility of directly accessing every >human brain by electromagnetic induction of fundamental algorithms', >Perceptual and Motor Skills 1995 Jun;80(3 Pt 1):791-9 > >-Khem > This is the point where FE and mind control technology start to merge. Modes of transmission. Going a bit further than Persinger apparently has, scalar waves, inherent to ZPE, are information carriers which can be embedded with bioactive EM components at their point of generation. Few researchers seem to recognize the link between this and tapping virtual potentials. It is the structuring of ZPE, through conventional vector interaction, that provides the (controllable) observed effect with respect to an organism or a device. It has been called "form resonance", like cycling a pressure gradient between two dimensionally remote points by using a configuration of standing wave that is common to both. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 16:07:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08878; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:02:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:02:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980321000135.10720.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Magnetophosphenes - CNN Article To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CCX-H2.0.VA2.GEm4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, More Info -- CNN had an article on the use of magnets for depression treatment today. Placed to head....sometimes helps...sometimes it causes seizures. see: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9803/20/magnets.depression/ Later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 16:30:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17696; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:27:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:27:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980320162405.007d0970@jps.net> X-Sender: lightspring@jps.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:24:05 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Spellman Subject: Superconductivity In-Reply-To: <199803202210.IAA24171@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NSYg42.0.FK4.Pbm4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am fairly new to this subject, and have little institutional science education, but I have done a fair amount of reading, mostly online. It seems that superconductivity could be a key to generation, transmission, and application of energy in a manner which could be called "free energy." If so, what would a generator design look like if one had a large quantity of superconductive material with which to build? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 20 20:36:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07681; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:31:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:31:03 -0800 Message-ID: <35133FCD.18A3@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:19:25 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Superconductivity References: <3.0.5.32.19980320162405.007d0970@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vYOYl1.0.bt1.5Aq4r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thomas Spellman wrote: > If so, what would a generator design look like if one had a large quantity of superconductive material with which to build? Such generators already exist. Did you ever heard of an experiment called levitation. You can in fact levitate a normal magnet over a superconductive disk cooled by liquid nitrogen. The magnetic effect of the magnet creates electricity in the disk which makes an opposing magnetic field which levitates the magnet. Imagine using this principle in a rotary generator using high speeds and high magnet forces. It would be EXTREMELY SIMPLE to build such a generator to produce electricity. all you would need is strong neodimuium super magnets for the rotor and a torroid or disk of the super conductor. It could not only be overunity but it could also be self running and albeit ENERGY AMPLIFICATION. Go to this link if you want to get an Idea of such motor generator. If we could have a superconductor at a temperature of 30 degrees CELSIUS it would be great. http://rio.com/~reboot/oumotor.html This design would be fantastic with superconductive materials because it would be very effective, even at LOW speeds and LOW magnet forces, now imagine with HIGH speeds and VERY strong neodimium magnets. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 09:50:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23095; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:41:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:41:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3513F8B6.4291@microtec.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:28:22 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Follow up on post about simple magnetic circuit. References: <1d150e9.3512ae49@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_cki01.0.ce5.Gl_4r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Butch, I don't understand your idea, you want to induce a current by moving a magnet along the conductive wire ? Why is your design non-concentric ? Anyway, your flux won't be stopped by the magnet, because I think that if you can stack magnets together to make a stronger field you can put an electromagnet behind a permanent magnet and increase the field also. Go to this page for more info: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/mep1.htm patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 11:57:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18352; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:54:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:54:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD54D0.58DC3840@pm3-126.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Question: 42 gauss magnetic field Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:50:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id LAA18269 Resent-Message-ID: <"H2-Sd1.0.ZU4.mh15r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Well, I've wound a coil capable of producing a 42 gauss magnetic field, but I'd like to know something just for safety reasons: Is the magnetic field produced high enough to be dangerous? You can never be too safe. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 12:16:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22307; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:12:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:12:25 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:45:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrets source? Message-ID: <19980321.145641.3238.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199803180124.LAA01043@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-12,16-17,21-22,25-27 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"QH6Ys.0.PS5.Yy15r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:24:31 +1000 Peter Nielsen writes: >Speaking of spheres, and their potential FE applications, is anyone >else >onto what happens at the exact _center_ of a charged sphere?? >Ceramics? You >mean as in piezo? > >Peter Nielsen > > Thomas Bearden has made some FE claims for what happens at the center of a charged sphere. Was in an article entitled "Toward a New Electromagnetics, Part 4, Vectors and Mechanisms Clarified". I think it is available in booklet format from the ITS Bookstore. A discussion of it is also found on KeelyNet in the Reply_TVQ.ASC file (it talks about a coaxal variation, and I believe that it also discusses the importiance of electrostatically balancing the system...also look at warning.asc to see health related issues). I would of liked to give more specific URL's and titles, but I am at my inlaws for the weekend. If you were interested and can't find the info, let me know. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 13:31:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12058; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:16:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:16:37 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:56:32 -0500 Subject: Wrong URL? Message-ID: <19980321.145641.3238.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-9 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"daH7B1.0.Jy2.nu25r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all earlier someone posted me a URL for Lorentz Relativity... http://monet.physik.ubaclu.ch/~schatzer/space-time.html I tried it several times but kept getting a message that it was not found. Did I copy it down incorrectly? Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 14:01:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22039; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:57:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:57:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD54E1.9778E7E0@pm3-126.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Wrong URL? Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:54:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD54E1.97808900" Resent-Message-ID: <"l4_hG.0.CO5.JV35r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD54E1.97808900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Stephen L Heckman[SMTP:steve-nyeoka@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 1:56 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Wrong URL? >Hi all >earlier someone posted me a URL for Lorentz Relativity... >http://monet.physik.ubaclu.ch/~schatzer/space-time.html >I tried it several times but kept getting a message that it was not >found. Did I copy it down incorrectly? >Steve Heckman It should be: http://monet.physik.unibas.ch/~schatzer/space-time.html Kyle R. 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You can never be too safe. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Modest permanent magnets produce fields significantly stronger than 42 gauss, so the steady field is not a concern. In fact, many people wear them close to parts of their body hoping they will help (exactly what they are supposed to do I am not sure). However, there is a lot of disagreement about the effect of time varying magnetic fields. I have seen articles which expressed concern about ac fields smaller than 1 gauss. To my knowledge there have been no PROVEN harmful effects of fields this small; on the other hand, you may not want expose anyone --especially yourself-- needlessly. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 22:11:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29388; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:09:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:09:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:58:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803220458.UAA12598@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Question: 42 gauss magnetic field Resent-Message-ID: <"rZ_fW1.0.3B7.-hA5r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle, At 01:50 PM 3/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all: > >Well, I've wound a coil capable of producing a 42 gauss magnetic field, but I'd like to know something just for safety reasons: Is the magnetic field produced high enough to be dangerous? > Yes, there is some debate. Time must be a factor. It doesn't sound very large, for example NMR machines create 10,000 gauss fields. Holding a neodym magnet in one's hand doesn't appear to be a problem. Where is the 42 gauss field? How far away is that field from your body/head, usually the field falls off quickly? Is it AC, then what frequency? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 21 22:38:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03325; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:35:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:35:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3514B1CB.1BF1@gorge.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:38:05 -0800 From: tom@gorge.net (Tom Miller) Reply-To: tom@gorge.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Follow up on post about simple magnetic circuit. References: <199803212132.NAA16941@mx2.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GsieA1.0.rp.n4B5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Butch: IMHO: I prefer to look at magnetic flux as a flow of a fluid. It flows through most everything, even space. It flows less well through some things than others--this fact has lead to attempts at flux shields for overunity motors. A "rule of thumb" is that parts of a magnetic circuit try to align with the path of least resistance to the flow of flux. This is, of course, an anthropomorphism which ascribes to a magnetic circuit the ability to reason and act. Suppose that when a magnetic flux encounters an iron, or "soft" ferrite, the dipole atoms in the iron/ferrite (or rather the specific electron which effectively produces the dipole) are relatively free to move into alignment with the "path of least resitance" of the flux flow. We say that "an opposite pole is induced" in the nearest end of the iron/ferrite. In effect, the formerly non-magnetized iron/ferrite has become a "temporary magnet." If the flux is removed, the poles go away, since the dipole atoms are free to move back out of alignment. In harder iron or "hard" ferrite, (and certain other magnet materials) the dipoles are harder to realign, but can be realigned with sufficiently strong flow of flux. They then tend to remain aligned, thus making a "permanent magnet." My opinion is that each dipole atom is a little pump of whatever fluid makes up the flow of magnetic flux. {Maybe aether, maybe space/time, maybe ???} When they are aligned with the flow of flux, they augment that flow. When they are randomly aligned, they mostly appear to have little effect on flux. When they are aligned such that their flow is opposed to the main flux flow, They apparently force the main flux out of what would otherwise be a "magnetic conductor." When a magnetic circuit is completed through a soft iron/ferrite, the lines of flux tend to go through that material, rather than through the air surrounding the originating magnet. Therefore, my opinion is that 1. If the current in the coil is such that the flow of flux it induces in the ferrite is in the same direction as the permanent magnet, the permanent magnet should act just like a ferrite, except that if the induced flux is substantially greater than the ability of the dipole atoms to pump, the excess flux should go into the air, or the "non magnetic" portions of the apparatus. 2. If the induced flow is in the opposite direction to the permanent magnet, I think the flux would be obstructed by the PM (it would be repelled.) It is possible (meaning I don't know) that some reverse flux could pass through the PM, but I think it would revert to the air, or other parts of the apparatus. Tom Miller From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 22 20:29:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13061; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:25:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:25:11 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD55E1.194E3400@pm3-129.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'dave dameron'" , "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Question: 42 gauss magnetic field Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:23:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA13036 Resent-Message-ID: <"yaJsg3.0.zB3.bGU5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- From: dave dameron[SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 1998 3:48 PM To: Kyle R. Mcallister Subject: RE: Question: 42 gauss magnetic field >>Its a solenoid coil, to be placed within a toroid former. Part of my small >>GRC experiment. I'm not going to be anywhere near it when I turn it on. >>Reasons: 1. I was told that HV produces X-rays when it sparks, 2. The >>effects of the GRC are not known. Remember what happened to Marie and Pierre >>Curie. They discovered a new effect alright, but died later. (he died before >>the cancer started though) It'll be DC for now, maybe AC later on. >> >>Kyle R. Mcallister >> >>P.S.: Any ideas on what might be the cause of the GRC effect? I still don't >>understand the purpose of having 50VDC and 100kV running through the coil. >> >In my (relative) large coils, 1000+ turns, I use several amps. Inside the >solenoid, the calculated field is about 1000 gauss. 3 feet away a compass >needle cannot detect their magnetic field. >Reading the GRC seems to say that 3 fields are required, each orthogonal to >the other 2: 2 magnetic fields (loop + toroidal) + electrostatic field (the >HV) between the 2 coils. No current for the 50 to 100kV. >What this does is unknown. I think Jerry Decker mentioned it recently, but >didn't get a reply from him. He said only one known person has built one. >-Dave >No luck with Joe Miso???k? I did a search for "toroid scalar coil" with no >results. No luck:-) > The grav3 file is the Howoc. capacitor gravity detector. What device are >you referring to? If it is the gravity resonance coil, /gravity3.txt or >/gravity3.htm, I calculated the magnetic field strengths at 6 and 30 gauss >for the 2 coils in it. Not really what you call high density! >-Dave I agree. But then again, we have a weird coil with unknown properties, so I'd still be careful. I'm going for a more powerful coil, using less wire. Wonder what triple the magnetic field strengths would do?:-) Kyle R. Mcallister P.S.: Anything special I'd have to do to a car battery to make it isolate the 100kV from the power supply? I'd rather not buy 4 car batteries, is it possible to quadruple the voltage to what I need? (48VDC) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 09:53:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12312; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:41:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ro Conroy Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:39:36 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tesla's Colorado lighting coil Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"X94lU2.0.I03.Qxf5r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com all, I just came across a WEB site that along with other observations depicts the Egyptian ankh symbol of a ball over pyramided lightning supports (termed as magic mountain). Another observation was that the ascendency of the planetary gods are not what they would be in today's world. An example being that Jupiter, Zeus, was the highest god with the sun being a lower god. Strange, because over 99.99% of the world's population wouldn't be able to identify Jupiter in the night sky of today. Another observation being that ancient descriptive narratives show a planet with only one season. Although I don't agree with the hypothesises derived from these observations depicted at this WEB sight, I do have my own hypothesis. Possibly from a platform on the missing 5th planet of Kepler's musical spheres, which is between Jupiter and Mars, and is now nothing but a ring of planetary debris, I am guessing that the originators of this planetary deity chart came somewhere other than earth. Just as the earlier lesser god, Apollo, the sun, the source of present day earth energy, has became a major player in the world of today, possibly the sphere symbol over the pyramid of lightning, associated with the god Osiris, was a major player of earlier times. Possibly Mars the god of war and this 5th planet simply used this earlier technology to the point of destroying both worlds. Just a thought. Keep in mind that Tesla's notes were in the hands of the U.S. government before his bones were even buried. Also remember that at he felt he had caused the Great Siberian explosion during one of his Long Island tower demonstrations. URL for this WEB site "Saturn Hypothesis" is: http://www.access.digex.net/~medved/saturnmyth.html Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 11:10:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07016; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:05:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:05:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3516B3B2.5717@macsrule.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:10:50 -0600 From: "Mark A. Collins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: A friend needs help... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A6xgM.0.Pj1.IAh5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A kid who goes to my church asked me to post a question to this list since he's seen some of the very cool discussion that go on. I wasn't sure where to find the info he wanted, and I'm not even sure it's releasable, but I'll ask for him anyway... Mark A. Collins themacman@macsrule.com ===================================== Hi! My name is Jay Garrett. I'm a 9th grader at a school in California. I read an article on Cold Fusion in Popular Science (September 93, if I remember correctly), and I wanted to see if I could make a small scale reactor like Pons & Fleischmann did in 1989... I read Dr. Eugene Mallove's book Fire from Ice, and was wondering if someone could help me find out specifics for the reactor like voltages, materials, etc. The Popular Science article mentioned CF from normal water using a pourous nickel cathode and Potassium Carbonate for the salting agent... I would really be grateful for any help you could give me! Thanks a million! Jay Garrett jaygarrett@hotmail.com "...the choice is still yours. You must decide between Gaia and The Foundation." -- R. Daneel Olivaw ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 15:35:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09338; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:29:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:29:55 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:25:23 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: A friend needs help... Cc: themacman@macsrule.com, jaygarrett@hotmail.com Resent-Message-ID: <"5IKJc3.0.qH2.o1l5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Not only reasonable, but do-able, factual, and more provable than most parts of the "Bible". I am forwarding this to Eugene. Goeth For It! Dr. Patrick Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Sr. Warden, Los Altos Lodge, No. 712, F&AM, CA Researcher & Trouble-Maker... bcc: Eugene Mallove (Hi Gene!) >A kid who goes to my church asked me to post a question to this list >since he's seen some of the very cool discussion that go on. I wasn't >sure where to find the info he wanted, and I'm not even sure it's >releasable, but I'll ask for him anyway... > > > >Mark A. Collins >themacman@macsrule.com > >===================================== > > >Hi! My name is Jay Garrett. I'm a 9th grader at a school in California. >I read an article on Cold Fusion in Popular Science (September 93, if I >remember correctly), and I wanted to see if I could make a small scale >reactor like Pons & Fleischmann did in 1989... I read Dr. Eugene >Mallove's book Fire from Ice, and was wondering if someone could help me >find out specifics for the reactor like voltages, materials, etc. The >Popular Science article mentioned CF from normal water using a pourous >nickel cathode and Potassium Carbonate for the salting agent... > >I would really be grateful for any help you could give me! > >Thanks a million! > > >Jay Garrett >jaygarrett@hotmail.com > >"...the choice is still yours. You must decide between Gaia >and The Foundation." -- R. Daneel Olivaw > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 15:36:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09023; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:28:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:28:05 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:28:12 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: Wrong URL? Resent-Message-ID: <"tTNHn1.0.qC2.20l5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Check out Stefan Marinov's revised equations for all the old stuff. Most of what's in the books is way-outdated: The Earth is still flat and the Moon has no water, etc... http://www.padrak.com/ine/ PB. >Hi all > >earlier someone posted me a URL for Lorentz Relativity... > >http://monet.physik.ubaclu.ch/~schatzer/space-time.html > >I tried it several times but kept getting a message that it was not >found. Did I copy it down incorrectly? > >Steve Heckman > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 19:02:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02821; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:34:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:34:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980323171843.007c4100@jps.net> X-Sender: lightspring@jps.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:18:43 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Spellman Subject: Re: A friend needs help... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fdHTf1.0.Nh.Bln5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am also interested in the cold fusion subject Jay asked about, so would you please post to the group or email me privately too? Thanks At 03:25 PM 3/23/98 -0800, you wrote: >Not only reasonable, >but do-able, factual, and more provable than most parts of the "Bible". > >I am forwarding this to Eugene. > >Goeth For It! > >Dr. Patrick Bailey >President, Institute for New Energy >http://www.padrak.com/ine/ > >Sr. Warden, Los Altos Lodge, No. 712, F&AM, CA >Researcher & Trouble-Maker... > >bcc: Eugene Mallove (Hi Gene!) > > >>A kid who goes to my church asked me to post a question to this list >>since he's seen some of the very cool discussion that go on. I wasn't >>sure where to find the info he wanted, and I'm not even sure it's >>releasable, but I'll ask for him anyway... >> >> >> >>Mark A. Collins >>themacman@macsrule.com >> >>===================================== >> >> >>Hi! My name is Jay Garrett. I'm a 9th grader at a school in California. >>I read an article on Cold Fusion in Popular Science (September 93, if I >>remember correctly), and I wanted to see if I could make a small scale >>reactor like Pons & Fleischmann did in 1989... I read Dr. Eugene >>Mallove's book Fire from Ice, and was wondering if someone could help me >>find out specifics for the reactor like voltages, materials, etc. The >>Popular Science article mentioned CF from normal water using a pourous >>nickel cathode and Potassium Carbonate for the salting agent... >> >>I would really be grateful for any help you could give me! >> >>Thanks a million! >> >> >>Jay Garrett >>jaygarrett@hotmail.com >> >>"...the choice is still yours. You must decide between Gaia >>and The Foundation." -- R. Daneel Olivaw >> >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 19:04:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04854; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:42:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:42:01 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD569B.A4D53E00@pm3-156.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: HV capacitors needed Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:48:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wqWug3.0.YB1.trn5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all: Can someone here tell me where to look (phone number, web site, etc.) to get the following: 1000pF @ 10kV Capacitors Toroid core made of ferrite, anything bigger than 1.5 inches in diameter. If known, give me a price range. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 19:14:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05934; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:45:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:45:22 -0800 Message-ID: <007f01bd56c0$abb02800$LocalHost@davelook> From: "davelook" To: "Todd Knudtson" , "FREE ENERGY" Subject: Perm Mag. used to decompose water Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:49:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BD5694.D3DA75A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"I3fJn.0.ZS1._un5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BD5694.D3DA75A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd, I was going thru my old stack of Rex Research archives. One dealt = with Felix Ehrenhaft and how he was able to use Permanent magnets to = decompose water! I was wondering if you're familiar with his work. Sincerely, Dave L. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BD5694.D3DA75A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    I was going thru = my old stack=20 of Rex Research archives. One dealt with Felix Ehrenhaft and how he was = able to=20 use Permanent magnets to decompose water! I was wondering if you're = familiar=20 with his work.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BD5694.D3DA75A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 23 20:34:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21408; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:13:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:13:03 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD56A8.49174C40@pm3-135.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: HV capacitors needed Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:08:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD56A8.49207400" Resent-Message-ID: <"Bbekm1.0.HE5.DBp5r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD56A8.49207400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Kyle R. Mcallister[SMTP:stk@sunherald.infi.net] Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 7:48 PM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Subject: HV capacitors needed >Greetings all: >Can someone here tell me where to look (phone number, web site, etc.) = to get the following: >1000pF @ 10kV Capacitors >Toroid core made of ferrite, anything bigger than 1.5 inches in = diameter. Null and void that message. I found a Mouser catalog that had just the = things I need. I do need another thing though: TV HV corona dope. If = anyone knows where I can get it, or can sell me some, let me know. My = local electronics supplier used to sell it, but alas, they discontinued. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister P.S: Searched the whole internet. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 18:43:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00346; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:32:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5762.8DBE1C60@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: What's going on? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:22:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA00324 Resent-Message-ID: <"odI8j1.0.K5.uo66r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello again, Is there something that I did to get no one to answer my questions? I specifically asked on many occasions before where I could get: HV capacitors (found them finally) HV diodes (found them too) HV corona dope (cannot find this) I need to get some corona dope really fast to complete an experiment. I have tried searching the internet, found only one supplier at Dartmouth that won't sell me any, tried calling EVERY one of my local electronics suppliers and TV repair places. I final ly checked my Mouser catalog: nothing. You can see why I am a bit disgusted. Now I try asking this group, and I get not even ONE reply. Surely there is someone on this list that has heard of corona dope, or even used it. If so, tell me where to get it. I apologise if I seem a bit on edge. I am. Regards, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 19:40:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20343; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:33:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:33:22 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD5762.8DBE1C60@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:26:10 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: What's going on? Cc: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y56sx2.0.lz4.zh76r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - More on HV insulation. Basically corona dope is just some thick varnish with a high dielectric constant and high breakdown voltage - any plastic shellac or varnish with good dielectric properties will do fine. That means urethane or epoxy especially. You have any hardware stores near you that sell epoxy resins and glues? My most recent Mouser catalog is #591 - August - October 1997. On page 335 are the Fine-L-Kote listings, particularly Fine-L-Kote AR, Mouser Stock #577-2103-12S - that's corona dope. Your pages will be in the index under "Static Control Products". TechAmerica has Fine-L-Kote AR too. My advice: go cheap and convenient, and just use a good unfilled (no color tints, paste fillers, etc.) epoxy resin from the hardware store. Glue is probably better than resin because it's usually thicker and will hang a thick coat on wire. Avoid the 5 minute set stuff - too weak, and it has low heat resistance. Use a good marine or high-temp grade. Remember: unfilled. Tesla used gutta percha, a type of natural tree sap shellac. You want to argue with him on HV insulation??? :) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 19:59:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22999; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01BD5762.8DBE1C60@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> References: Conversation <01BD5762.8DBE1C60@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> with last message <01BD5762.8DBE1C60@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Fureman" Subject: Re: corona dope Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 22:49:28 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C37ua3.0.Ed5.6u76r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > Hello again, > Is there something that I did to get no one to answer my questions? I > specifically asked on many occasions before where I could get: > > HV corona dope (cannot find this) > > Kyle Randall Mcallister Hey Kyle, What the hell is corona dope? This is a serious response to your question. If I knew what it is, what it does and why it is so special I can probably find it (or at least a suitable substitution). Scott From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 19:58:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09842; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:56:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:56:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199803250325.TAA13217@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: HV capacitors needed Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:33:51 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o1RXu3.0.eP2.S186r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- From: Kyle R. Mcallister[SMTP:stk@sunherald.infi.net] Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 7:48 PM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Subject: HV capacitors needed : TV HV corona dope. If anyone knows where I can get it, or can sell me some, let me know. My local electronics supplier used to sell it, but alas, they discontinued. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister P.S: Searched the whole internet. No dice on the HV corona dope. ---------- I've been told by an HV expert that silicone sealants that you can pick up in any hardware store work just as well as corona dope. Just avoid the black sealants, they often contain carbon-black which is conductive. --Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 20:10:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26333; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:05:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:05:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980324235033.005fe930@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:50:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: What's going on? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"x3Ywn2.0.JR6.NA86r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:22 PM 3/24/98 -0600, you wrote: >I need to get some corona dope really fast to complete an experiment. I have tried searching the internet, found only one supplier at Dartmouth that won't sell me any, tried calling EVERY one of my local electronics suppliers and TV repair places. I finally checked my Mouser catalog: nothing. You can see why I am a bit disgusted. Now I try asking this group, and I get not even ONE reply. Surely there is someone on this list that has heard of corona dope, or even used it. If so, tell me where to get it. I apologise if I seem a bit on edge. I am. > >Regards, >Kyle Randall Mcallister >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >Phone: 228-875-0629 >Fax: 228-872-5837 > Oh quit whining :^) GC electronics makes this, along with about a zillion other things you're going to need, so call them at 815-968-9661 and they will give you a number for a distributer in your area. My advise to you is, if you need anything, make a beeline for the thomas register. They are online now, try Yahoo or whatever and search for thomas register. They are a master catalog used by everyone who wants to make anything, really. Anyway, if you don't mind my asking, what are you trying to make? KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 20:10:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13700; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:07:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:07:52 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5771.0276C120@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "'Rick Monteverde'" Subject: RE: What's going on? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:05:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA13618 Resent-Message-ID: <"wFjWE3.0.rL3.LC86r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- From: Rick Monteverde[SMTP:monteverde@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 9:26 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: Kyle R. Mcallister Subject: Re: What's going on? >You have any hardware stores near you that >sell epoxy resins and glues? Yes. Many places nearby sell them. >My most recent Mouser catalog is #591 - August - October 1997. On page 335 >are the Fine-L-Kote listings, particularly Fine-L-Kote AR, Mouser Stock >#577-2103-12S - that's corona dope. Your pages will be in the index under >"Static Control Products". TechAmerica has Fine-L-Kote AR too. Darn, I overlooked it! I saw that very thing in there, and didn't know it was corona dope. Good news for me: Radio shack nearby sells it. I've seen it many times. >Tesla used gutta percha, a type of natural tree sap shellac. You want to >argue with him on HV insulation??? :) Argue with Tesla on HV insulation...somehow, I don't think thats a good idea:-) Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 20:12:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14732; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:10:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5771.4CF9C440@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: corona dope Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:07:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5771.4CF9C440" Resent-Message-ID: <"XZTYn2.0.Yb3.PE86r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5771.4CF9C440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Scott Fureman[SMTP:sfureman@ptd.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 12:49 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: corona dope >Hey Kyle, >What the hell is corona dope? This is a serious response to your = question. >If I knew what it is, what it does and why it is so special I can = probably >find it (or at least a suitable substitution). >Scott A coating used to prevent high voltage discharges to the air. Its used = in TV's, I'v seen coils coated with it, thing like that. Rick said it = was kind of like an epoxy. Kyle R. 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Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: What's going on? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:01:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5770.75B82D00" Resent-Message-ID: <"DmPr43.0.xP6._986r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5770.75B82D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: James J. Jiamachello[SMTP:jiamache@dcache.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 9:10 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: What's going on? >Just some old ideas. >Patience, when working with high voltages better to be slow and safe >rather than quick and dead. It can be wicked stuff. >Think everything through, then sleep on it and work refreshed. >Jim Thanks for the help. I appreciate it. Kyle R. 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Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: HV capacitors needed Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:09:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5771.90D76C80" Resent-Message-ID: <"99u733.0.bv3.CG86r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5771.90D76C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Gary Shannon[SMTP:reboot@rio.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 9:33 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: HV capacitors needed >I've been told by an HV expert that silicone sealants that you can pick up >in any hardware store work just as well as corona dope. Just avoid the >black sealants, they often contain carbon-black which is conductive. >--Gary. Thanks! I just happen to have some clear silicone sealant here at my house (unfortunately, its in the closet. A dark, forbidding place...) Best Regards, Kyle R. 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Noticed anything strange? Just wondering. Still trying to reproduce the VTA effect...not getting anywhere though. Alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 21:34:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10249; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:25:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <34a5b48f.351894c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:23:13 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Test (DELETE) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"T6_be1.0.0W2.LL96r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Test (delete) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 22:13:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10334; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:11:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:11:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199803250611.AAA10173@endeavor.flash.net> From: "Jerry W. Decker" To: Subject: Motor Report Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:03:02 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x4vHS2.0.JX2.U0A6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! I thought you guys might like to see this one from the KeelyNet-L list, I don't have it with quote marks, but it is from Bill McMurty down in Australia....check it out; Hi all, Last year a friend of mine sent me the construction diagrams of a simple device, a motor, which the inventor (an aquaintance of his) claimed worked with no input power. On receiving this information I was at a loss to replicate the fundimental design criteria of the device. The inventor claimed that by passing a heavy current through a lenght of steel wire, in fact the inventor used steel welding rods in his construction, he was able to obtain a residual magnetism in the wire. Well, I zapped steel wire with all sorts of currents but could not create any residual magnetism in steel wire of all sorts of grades. The device itself simply consists of two steel welding rods which are bent in such a way that each forms a loop with a short axle. When these two loops of wire are made so that one fits inside the other (one loop smaller than the other) and magnetised with a heavy current (the relative orientation of the current through the loops was important), it is claimed that a torque exists between the two wire loops. if one of the loops is free to rotate it will do so. Obviously a torque may exist between these two loops while the current wis on, but the inventor insisted that the current was only used to magnetise the wire. Spooky, hey? The inventor swore blind that he had built the device and that it worked as he stated. Unfortunately, I was unable to get past first base with my replication. How could one permenantly magnetise a lenght of steel wire with an applied heavy current? Bill. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 24 23:22:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13109; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:07:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:07:42 -0800 Message-ID: <351875C2.7C103198@dcache.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:10:58 -0500 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: What's going on? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BD5762.8DBE1C60@pm3-117.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xbFEu2.0.JC3.xJ76r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > HV corona dope (cannot find this) Hi Kyle Sometimes this material is available at a nearby motor rewind shop. You may also be able to find a suitable dope at a model shop that deals in Radio Controlled planes. A fiberglass patch kit may provide enough material for your project. Anything that is not specifically for the electrical insulating business would have to be checked on an insulating board for electrical leakage. Depending on your voltage stresses it may be possible to use a filler material and insulate over the smooth surface. I have used Dum-Dum or Duct-Seal putty and also plaster of paris mixed with orange shellac. The glass tape was varnished or painted with insulating enamel, General Electric called their enamel Glyptol. Just some old ideas. Patience, when working with high voltages better to be slow and safe rather than quick and dead. It can be wicked stuff. Think everything through, then sleep on it and work refreshed. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 00:10:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA32134; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:39:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:39:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199803250739.BAA24098@endeavor.flash.net> From: "Jerry W. Decker" To: Subject: Re: What's going on? Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:33:37 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dxxde3.0.hr7.WIB6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle! For electronics source list, check out; http://www.gernsback.com/noframe/html/Galinks.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 01:35:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15130; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:33:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:33:28 -0800 Message-ID: <003101bd57d1$7ef4dd80$8963afce@et-s> From: "Eric Tonkins" To: Subject: Know of Wayne Green's Water Heater? Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:36:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"TjRyz2.0.Ki3.dzC6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Does anyone know where I can find the diagram for Wayne Green's hot water heater ? It was a simple water tank that used a battery and an actual nickle coin. On Art Bell's Coast to Coast Radio Show, Wayne Green claimed that the device was Over-Unity. Any solid leads would be appreciated. Thanks. Till Later, Eric Favorite Quote: " Wonderful times only happen to you if you show up. Unless you show up, you'll never have one ! " Eric Tonkins EMail: vegan@sprynet.com Voice / Fax: (702) 358-7681 Home Office: 634 Oakwood Dr. # 3, Sparks, NV 89431 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 03:40:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27575; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:39:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:39:09 -0800 From: "Roger Weichert" To: Subject: Re: What's going on? Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:11:50 +1030 Message-ID: <01bd57e3$1d98fc80$cc1b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KwG-U1.0.nk6.RpE6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 1:04 PM Subject: What's going on? >Hello again, > Hi all, I've often read of corona dope in articles from American magazines and have wondered what it is. Haven't come across it here in Oz but whenever I need a high voltage insulator I use silicon sealant suitable for "roof and guttering". Apparently this is a neutral cure type and it definitely works well . My main use is when I have an EHT transformer which is arcing etc. I clean up the tracking marks and then seal with silicon. It's good for 25Kv at least. If there is not enough clearence to put a decent thickness it pays to put say 5mm thick sealant, then some thin plastic insulation, then more sealant. Regards Roger Weichrert Australia> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 06:40:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27428; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:39:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:39:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:38:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251438.GAA25119@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Magnetic pulser design Resent-Message-ID: <"jrmEJ3.0.Oi6.ASH6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I was wondering about a magnetic pulser. The circuit is a capacitor discharged into an inductor. With a given number of caps, the energy stored is a constant, and if it is all transferred to the magnetic field by the inductor, is any wiring configuration the best? I did some spice simulations for it. For the inductor I used 20uH and a resistance of 0.01 Ohm. Am assuming something like 10 turns, 50mm/2" diameter. The switch was ideal, but with a circuit resistance of 0.02 Ohms. I'll use a SCR for it. The caps I used were 5000uF at 200 volts. I simulated 4 cases: 1. 6 in parallel, 30,000uF, 200V 2. 12 in parallel, 60,000uF, 200 V 3. 2X(6 in parallel), 15000uF, 400V 4. 4X3 in parallel, 3750uF, 800 V For each case I used a capacitor resistance of a) 0.06 Ohm, each (wild guess) b) 0.12 Ohm Thus for case 1.(a), the total resistance is 0.01+0.02 +0.06/6=0.04 Ohm Also shown is the time required for the current to peak. This gives an idea of dI/dt for the SCR. Note, the maximum possible current at 200 Volts, using an ideal 200V supply is 200V/0.03 Ohm = 6.7k Amp. Also for 12 caps, the energy stored is 1200 Joules. If it is all transferred to the 20 uH inductor, the resultant current = 10.95k Amps. Case Cap, uF Volts Total R Time Peak Amps 1a 30000 200 0.04 Ohms 1.06mS 3.28k 1b 30000 200 0.05 0.74 2.84k 2a 60000 200 0.35 0.99 4.07k 2b 60000 200 0.04 0.99 3.73k 3a 15000 400 0.05 0.51 5.03k 3b 15000 400 0.07 0.51 4.13k 4a 3750 800 0.11 0.27 4.83k 4b 3750 800 0.19 0.24 3.45k 3 15000 400 0.001 0.81 10.56k (low resistance) With case 3a and a 10 turn coil, about 50,000 amp-turns is achieved, about 1 Tesla in air. Neodym magnets can achieve this B field. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 16:18:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00924; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:09:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:09:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:01:58 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Antigravity News Website: 6 new files added today. Resent-Message-ID: <"9IsC43.0.KE.GoP6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Just added the first 6 of these today! The Antigravity News and Space Drive Technology website now has added and posted these following articles for your reading pleasure, at: http://www.padrak.com/agn/ Volume 1, Number 1: July - August, 1997: RACE TO SPACE IS OFF AND RUNNING -X PRIZE (SM); ANNOUNCES TEN TEAMS TO COMPETE The X PRIZE is a $10 Million prize to jump-start the space tourism industry through a competition between the most talented entrepreneurs and rocket experts in the world. Following in the footsteps of over 100 aviation prizes offered during the first part of this century, which created today's multibillion dollar air transport industry, the X PRIZE will be awarded to the first private spaceship capable of lifting three people to an altitude of 62 miles (beyond the edge of space) on two consecutive sub-orbital flights within two weeks. All teams must be privately financed. DEFINITION OF TERMS Definitions of Terms used in antigravity research, theory, and experiments. RECOMMENDED BOOKS A list of books recommended for reference with respect to antigravity research, theory, and experiments. TYPES OF ANTIGRAVITY Six different kinds of antigravity, as described by Dr. Forward in his book: "Indistinguishable from Magic." Volume 1, Number 2: September - October, 1997: SUMMARY OF ANOMALOUS WEIGHTLOSS EXPERIMENTS/Introduction (A-L) A summary of the experiments of the Inventors with last names A-L, as reported in detail in this AGN issue. Volume 1, Number 3: November - December, 1997: SUMMARY OF AG WEIGHTLOSS DATA - PART II (M-Z) A summary of the experiments of the Inventors with last names M-Z as reported in detail in this AGN issue. Volume 2, Number 1: January - February, 1998: SIX GENERIC ANTIGRAVITY TYPES SELECTED, PLUS A BASELINE APPROACH AGN has reviewed 66 types of various antigravity devices or experiments and ranked each one according to a criteria described in -the previous issue of AGN. The results are summarized in the fold-out table in the center section of this issue. CLASSIFICATION SCHEME FOR ANTIGRAVITY DEVICES It is proposed that the various types of antigravity devices be categorized into the following seven groups: CHRONOLOGY OF US ANTIGRAVITY RESEARCH Events in chronological order. 32 ANTIGRAVITY THEORIES Theories of gravity that have the common feature of generally yielding the possibility of gravity control, as well as being somewhat diverse in their characteristics. 66 ANTIGRAVITY INVENTORS, DEVICES, AND EXPERIMENTS A 4 page fold-out table summarizing specifics on each device. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 18:12:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24635; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:05:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:05:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:03:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199803260203.MAA15872@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Magnetic pulser design Resent-Message-ID: <"mIOtu2.0.p06.fVR6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I was wondering about a magnetic pulser. The circuit is a capacitor >discharged into an inductor. With a given number of caps, the energy stored >is a constant, and if it is all transferred to the magnetic field by the >inductor, is any wiring configuration the best > >Dave > Information Unlimited sells plans for these things. Something like the "Magnetic Disruptor", although I am sure you are not that kind of person :-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 21:32:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08177; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:25:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:25:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD57F5.61A74C80@oemcomputer> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: A funny thing happened... Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:52:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id VAA08061 Resent-Message-ID: <"J0I8v3.0.a_1.DRU6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all: How's this for ironic: Yesterday, I call all the local suppliers for corona dope. No dice. Then, I call the list and get >12 responses. Unfortunately I lost my temper. My apologies, I've been under high stress recently. Now what happens? I get a phone call. Who is it? An electr onics supplier less than 5 miles from where I live, who tells me he has corona dope. It turns out that his salesman didn't think he had any when I called. I'll probably look back on this and laugh some day. Thanks to all for the help, as I found many suppliers that carry other parts I need. Best regards, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Mar 25 21:33:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08253; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:25:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:25:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD57F3.8873C5C0@oemcomputer> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: What's going on? Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:37:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD57F3.8873C5C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"bHbPe1.0.B02.MRU6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD57F3.8873C5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Keith Nagel[SMTP:knagel@cnct.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 10:50 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: What's going on? >Oh quit whining :^) >GC electronics makes this, along with about a zillion other things >you're going to need, so call them at 815-968-9661 and they will >give you a number for a distributer in your area. >My advise to you is, if you need anything, make a beeline for >the thomas register. They are online now, try Yahoo or whatever >and search for thomas register. They are a master catalog used >by everyone who wants to make anything, really. Thanks for the info! >Anyway, if you don't mind my asking, what are you trying to make? The Gravity-resonant coil, as well as many other things involving high voltage coils. Kyle R. 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Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: miniGRC WAS: HV capacitors needed Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:40:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD57F4.98E62BE0" Resent-Message-ID: <"hD1bS2.0.702.MRU6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD57F4.98E62BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: AJ Dubla[SMTP:ajdubla@primenet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 10:30 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: HV capacitors needed >Kyle, >Say, have you built a test or minature version of that thing yet? = Noticed >anything strange? Just wondering. >Still trying to reproduce the VTA effect...not getting anywhere though. >Alan No, I haven't completed it yet. I will probably be done within a month = or two. Money is tight right now. But I'll be sure to let the group know = what I find. I wonder if it's possible to limit the output current of a = car battery to just 5 amps. 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In fact if we could magnetise a steel rod with the same magnetic configuration as when current passes in it, the magnetism would stay trapped inside the rod without interacting with anything outside. maybe if we would put the two rods very close together we could get a torque...? But I don't think so. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 26 00:53:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12439; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:52:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:52:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:51:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803260851.AAA28193@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: miniGRC WAS: HV capacitors needed Resent-Message-ID: <"v7bgZ3.0.323.vSX6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle, At 01:40 PM 3/25/98 -0600, you wrote: > >No, I haven't completed it yet. I will probably be done within a month or two. Money is tight right now. But I'll be sure to let the group know what I find. I wonder if it's possible to limit the output current of a car battery to just 5 amps. Any ideas? The simplest way is with a resistive load of 12/5 Ohms, total. If that means adding additional resistance, it means you can use a lower voltage supply. The magnetic field of a coil is from the current, the coil voltage is determined by the coil resistance and Ohms law. This is why superconductor coils are attractive - zero ohms means zero voltage required to maintain the current. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 26 03:43:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24922; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:43:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:43:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <351A28BC.E6B0BEBA@jps.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:06:52 -0800 From: Thomas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: miniGRC WAS: HV capacitors needed References: <199803260851.AAA28193@norway.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SzJAy3.0.F56.zyZ6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What does a SC coil look like? How is it built? Are there any online refernces you can suggest which discuss them in detail? Thanks in advance dave dameron wrote: The magnetic field of a coil is from the current, the coil voltage is determined by the coil resistance and Ohms law. This is why superconductor coils are attractive - zero ohms means zero voltage required to maintain the current. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 26 15:58:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18516; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:58:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:58:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980326165256.0095f530@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:52:56 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: AJ Dubla Subject: Re: Magnetic pulser design In-Reply-To: <199803251438.GAA25119@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vrlPb3.0.BX4.Pkk6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Dave, If it helps at all, here's what I use: An 8000 uf 450vdc cap bank. A 1 ohm coil to place magnets in for magnetic modifications. (300 turns 14 guage solid core plastic coated) A 600 Volt/Amp SCR. I charge the caps and disconnect the supply, and trigger the SCR to dump the caps into the load. It works great for ceramic magnets. Alan At 06:38 AM 3/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi All, >I was wondering about a magnetic pulser. The circuit is a capacitor >discharged into an inductor. With a given number of caps, the energy stored >is a constant, and if it is all transferred to the magnetic field by the >inductor, is any wiring configuration the best? >I did some spice simulations for it. For the inductor I used 20uH and a >resistance of 0.01 Ohm. Am assuming something like 10 turns, 50mm/2" >diameter. The switch was ideal, but with a circuit resistance of 0.02 Ohms. >I'll use a SCR for it. >The caps I used were 5000uF at 200 volts. I simulated 4 cases: >1. 6 in parallel, 30,000uF, 200V >2. 12 in parallel, 60,000uF, 200 V >3. 2X(6 in parallel), 15000uF, 400V >4. 4X3 in parallel, 3750uF, 800 V >For each case I used a capacitor resistance of >a) 0.06 Ohm, each (wild guess) >b) 0.12 Ohm >Thus for case 1.(a), the total resistance is 0.01+0.02 +0.06/6=0.04 Ohm >Also shown is the time required for the current to peak. This gives an idea >of dI/dt for the SCR. >Note, the maximum possible current at 200 Volts, using an ideal 200V supply >is 200V/0.03 Ohm = 6.7k Amp. Also for 12 caps, the energy stored is 1200 >Joules. If it is all transferred to the 20 uH inductor, the resultant >current = 10.95k Amps. > >Case Cap, uF Volts Total R Time Peak Amps >1a 30000 200 0.04 Ohms 1.06mS 3.28k >1b 30000 200 0.05 0.74 2.84k >2a 60000 200 0.35 0.99 4.07k >2b 60000 200 0.04 0.99 3.73k >3a 15000 400 0.05 0.51 5.03k >3b 15000 400 0.07 0.51 4.13k >4a 3750 800 0.11 0.27 4.83k >4b 3750 800 0.19 0.24 3.45k > >3 15000 400 0.001 0.81 10.56k (low resistance) > >With case 3a and a 10 turn coil, about 50,000 amp-turns is achieved, about 1 >Tesla in air. Neodym magnets can achieve this B field. >-Dave > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Mar 26 22:03:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23274; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:03:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:03:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <351B33F6.5C69@macsrule.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:07:07 -0600 From: "Mark A. Collins" Reply-To: themacman@macsrule.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Questions on Electrolysis Salt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"stK_a3.0.Ih5.Q4q6r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Let's suppose you wanted to create an electrolysis reaction that would be long ongoing... Which choice of salting agent would provide the least harmful side-effects? Table salt is sodium chloride. If they break up, not very good... Potassium Chloride. Same thing... Potassium Carbonate. Potassium good to have floating around. What would be a safe, yet effective salting agent? Calcium Carbonate? I realize that we're talking trace amounts, but if you're undergoing an electrolysis reaction and it gets out of hand, it's nice to be sure that the contents of the reactor won't be poisonous or otherwise dangerous, they'll just be hot... Even if you increase the scale... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 00:23:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01322; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:22:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:22:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980327002040.007ed3f0@jps.net> X-Sender: lightspring@jps.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:20:40 -0800 To: themacman@macsrule.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Spellman Subject: Re: Questions on Electrolysis Salt In-Reply-To: <351B33F6.5C69@macsrule.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LAuaI3.0.YK.X7s6r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com How about ammonium chloride At 11:07 PM 3/26/98 -0600, Mark A. Collins wrote: >Let's suppose you wanted to create an electrolysis reaction that would >be long ongoing... Which choice of salting agent would provide the least >harmful side-effects? > >Table salt is sodium chloride. If they break up, not very good... >Potassium Chloride. Same thing... >Potassium Carbonate. Potassium good to have floating around. >What would be a safe, yet effective salting agent? > > >Calcium Carbonate? > >I realize that we're talking trace amounts, but if you're undergoing an >electrolysis reaction and it gets out of hand, it's nice to be sure that >the contents of the reactor won't be poisonous or otherwise dangerous, >they'll just be hot... Even if you increase the scale... > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 15:28:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04252; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:27:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:27:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD59A5.2728C0A0@pm3-137.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: How to vary voltage Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:24:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id PAA04156 Resent-Message-ID: <"EXmFq1.0.321.qN37r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings: Is there anyone here that knows how to vary the amount of voltage to a transformer that is very cheap to do? I know variacs can be used, but are expensive. I need to vary the voltage going into a 10kV 30mA neon sign transformer. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 15:48:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17040; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:47:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:47:52 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD59A5.2728C0A0@pm3-137.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:47:29 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: How to vary voltage Resent-Message-ID: <"k_hPn1.0.4A4.cg37r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > Is there anyone here that knows how to vary > the amount of voltage to a transformer that > is very cheap to do? I know variacs can be > used, but are expensive. I need to vary the > voltage going into a 10kV 30mA neon sign > transformer. Variacs are what you need. You can find them used, or even scrap. I found a nice one for $15 at a scrap dealer that can handle - I forget just now - several hundred or 1000 watts or so. Weighs 30 pounds or so. If you can find one like that or bigger, you should be able to run your power supply off that. Variacs are what the Tesla coil builders all use, and I don't think there's any reasonable alternative if you want to manually control the power. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 16:56:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01249; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:56:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:56:20 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Questions on Electrolysis Salt Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:56:23 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <351d56f3.97338951@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980327002040.007ed3f0@jps.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980327002040.007ed3f0@jps.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o0xP1.0.PJ.og47r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:20:40 -0800, Thomas Spellman wrote: >How about ammonium chloride > Chlorides generally are not a good choice, because the chloride ion tends to oxidise, producing a variety of chlorine and oxygen compounds (i.e. liquid bleach), as well as chlorine gas (used in gas warfare). Carbonates are generally a good choice, however calcium carbonate is pretty much insoluble in water (egg shells, teeth etc.), so go with potassium, sodium, or ammonium carbonate, all of which are both reasonably safe, and highly soluble. Sodium carbonate is washing soda, which as most people know, feels a little "slippery" in solution. This is because it actually dissolves away the outer layer of the skin, leaving the fingers slippery. So don't expose your bare skin to these solutions for extended periods of time, or too frequently, even if only for short periods of time. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 17:01:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23812; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:01:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:01:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD59B2.31FDA880@pm3-137.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: How to vary voltage Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:57:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD59B2.31FDA880" Resent-Message-ID: <"t1jEe2.0.yp5.Ll47r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD59B2.31FDA880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Rick Monteverde[SMTP:monteverde@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 5:47 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: How to vary voltage >Variacs are what you need. You can find them used, or even scrap. I = found a >nice one for $15 at a scrap dealer that can handle - I forget just now = - >several hundred or 1000 watts or so. Weighs 30 pounds or so. If you can >find one like that or bigger, you should be able to run your power = supply >off that. Variacs are what the Tesla coil builders all use, and I don't >think there's any reasonable alternative if you want to manually = control >the power. $15 for a ~1000 watt variac?!? Lucky:) Would a 0-270V 10A variac possibly work if I limited the voltage max. to = just 120V? (not to get more amps, to keep from cooking the neon sign = transformer) Kyle R. 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Sounds like enough margin. I found mine at a metal scrap dealer. Electric motors salvaged for copper, that sort of thing. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 21:14:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06157; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:14:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Greg Watson still alive ??? Cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:02:47 +0100 Message-Id: <19980328060247.019c5ceb.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"vXiJ02.0.6W1.zS87r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I just want to know, if somebody has lately heard any news from Greg Watson ? Will he now finally ship his SMOT kits or does he still have trouble with his DMEC partners to setup the new company ?? (as he tried to tell us...) He also did not send me any refund of the money nor any magnets or SMOT ramps....which I requested for the 1st of March... I guess it is now time all the guys who have ordered something from him will ask more questions.... This delay really sucks... Maybe he has only got "vapourware"...? Why did he never publish any photos of his devices which he claimed run on its own energy ?? When he really would have something, by publsihing it all, he could by now already be famous. But for now, I guess, he has lost his chance... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 21:32:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08394; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:32:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980328060247.019c5ceb.in@pop3.vossnet.de> References: Conversation <19980328060247.019c5ceb.in@pop3.vossnet.de> with last message <19980328060247.019c5ceb.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FREE ENERGY" , "FREE ENERGY" Cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au, "newman list" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mike Connolly" Subject: Re: Greg Watson still alive ??? Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 23:36:17 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Py1AQ.0.332.pj87r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com thanks G'DAY! Mike Connolly Bulk Feed Tank Product Manager GRAIN SYSTEMS, INC. P.O. BOX 20 Assumption, IL 62510 PH: 217.226.4421 FAX: 217.226.4420 U.S. FAX: 800.800.5329 E-MAIL: mconnolly@grainsystems.com ---------- > Hi, > > I just want to know, if somebody has lately heard > any news from Greg Watson ? > > Will he now finally ship his SMOT kits or > does he still have trouble with his DMEC partners to setup the new company ?? > (as he tried to tell us...) > > He also did not send me any refund of the money nor any magnets > or SMOT ramps....which I requested for the 1st of March... > > I guess it is now time all the guys who have ordered something from him will > ask more questions.... > > This delay really sucks... > Maybe he has only got "vapourware"...? > > Why did he never publish any photos of his devices which he > claimed run on its own energy ?? > > When he really would have something, by publsihing it all, he could > by now already be famous. But for now, I guess, he has lost his chance... > > Regards, Stefan. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 22:06:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA31553; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:06:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:06:28 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Questions on Electrolysis Salt Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:06:28 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <351ca0b6.116224540@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19980327002040.007ed3f0@jps.net> <351d56f3.97338951@mail.eisa.net.au> <351C4B81.1E15@microtec.net> In-Reply-To: <351C4B81.1E15@microtec.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gFBf2.0.mi7.XD97r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:59:45 -0500, patrick tremblay wrote: >How about Lithium Sulphate, > >Li2S04 That's what CETI uses in their Cold Fusion Cells. You can check the hazardous materials database at http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/hazdat.html#A3.1.2a Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 22:58:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17771; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:57:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:57:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:55:51 -0800 X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199803280655.WAA07998@slave3.aa.net> X-Sender: knuke@pop.aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@aa.net (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: miniGRC WAS: HV capacitors needed Resent-Message-ID: <"W3eJg2.0.YL4.Rz97r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Somebody wrote: >No, I haven't completed it yet. I will probably be done within a month or two. Money is tight right now. But I'll be sure to let the group know what I find. I wonder if it's possible to limit the output current of a car battery to just 5 amps. Any ideas? > You can get a mosfet dc motor controller and a pot that will work in that range from Grainger. I think they are about eighty dollars though. I think that they have their catalog online now too. Try typing in Grainger with your browser. -Knuke From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Mar 27 23:25:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10652; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:25:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:25:23 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:22:07 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199803280722.IAA29667@imaginet.fr> X-Sender: lentin@mail.imaginet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: Stanley Meyer dead ? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Resent-Message-ID: <"FjT_C3.0.Ec2.VNA7r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all I just read this on Eric Krieg's skeptic mailing list : > Stan Meyer, who ripped off a bunch of people selling dealerships for > phony water powered cars, dropped dead. His name is sure to be > reborn among the list of "repressed inventors" Now, Meyer frequently complained about death threats... Anyone can confirm this news, and know the exact circumstances ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 28 05:41:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20540; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:41:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:41:03 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5A1C.397B2DC0@oemcomputer> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Batteries and isolation Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:34:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id FAA20509 Resent-Message-ID: <"uQK_N2.0.r05.jtF7r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings: Is there some kind of battery that I can get 5 amps out of (or an array of batteries) that will also accept 100kV without being destroyed? Would I need to do something special to the battery to insulate it to 100kV? ALSO: I have a coil, and need to run 4 amps through it. How can I make sure that there is actually 4 amps going through it, and if not how can I force the amps through it? Should I place something that will draw 4 amps at the output of the coil? Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Mar 28 18:26:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14318; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:26:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:26:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:25:51 +1000 Message-Id: <199803290225.MAA07967@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: How to vary voltage Resent-Message-ID: <"hRNDu2.0.ZV3.v4R7r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Is there anyone here that knows how to vary > > the amount of voltage to a transformer that > > is very cheap to do? I know variacs can be > > used, but are expensive. I need to vary the > > voltage going into a 10kV 30mA neon sign > > transformer. > If you are going to rectify the output, or don't mind something other than 50 Hz, drive it with an audio power amp through a reversed 120V transformer. You can then vary the input frequency or waveform to alter efficiency. You can also buy neon transformers that are designed to be audio modulated. Voltage input is 5-12, but the current rating is less than above. Output is usually around 6KV max. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BD5AA7.769D4AE0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 29 17:20:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04119; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:20:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:20:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <351EF022.346A@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:06:42 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: NICKEL ALLOY TAPE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7Tu7l3.0.F01.6Dl7r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi everybody, in order to build a Sullivan generator, I will need to find nickel alloy tape to build the torroid core. Does anyone know where I can find some ? Thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 29 17:24:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22940; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:23:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:23:55 -0800 Message-ID: <351EF448.A6A1361C@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:24 +0930 From: Greg Watson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FREE ENERGY , NEWMAN , VORTEX Subject: Status Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qqkNY.0.0c5.aGl7r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, The DMEC deal is a mess. I don't give it much hope of working. The agreement expires late May, 1998. If the SMOT kits are not shipped by DMEC by then, I will personally REFUND each & every purchaser's money as a gesture of good faith. This refund DOESN'T cancel my personal obligation to ship a working OU device to each of the original purchasers. The refund just lets me sleep better at night. At present, a PMOD class device looks like the way to go. Best Regards to you all, Greg Watson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 29 19:07:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22035; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:07:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:07:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <351EF022.346A@microtec.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:05:02 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: NICKEL ALLOY TAPE Resent-Message-ID: <"bcS4N1.0.2O5.Gnm7r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Patrick - > in order to build a Sullivan generator, I will need > to find nickel alloy tape to build the torroid core. Is that like those superconducting nickel alloys made into tapes for wrapping into cables? They're probably expensive. Do a web search on "superconductive tape" or similar terms. How about making your own by electroplating it onto a substrate of some sort? They can electroplate anything once a conductive base layer is painted on, and most platers do nickel. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Mar 29 20:00:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30465; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:00:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:00:21 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199803300400.XAA01909@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:01:51 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Water Engine - Cornish Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r95Jn.0.wR7.JZn7r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thx for your response John. A close look at your diagram raised some questions. These are: 1) the capacitor that you show should be across the points and not across the high voltage side. Not sure what you had in mind for the high voltage side application? In the picture the point assembly is not shown or is it at the end of the drum drive or not on the assembly? 2) Not sure how one would prevent the Hydrogen and water from leaking form the slot for the aluminum wire - assume its moving along with a worm gear of some sort across the with of the water tank width and back? A significant modification would be needed to overcome this shortcoming. A friend, interested in building has come up with a work around though. We were wondering what other oversights there might be. Unless we have misunderstood the above - would be happy to send you the modifications. But until one is made I think we will run into a few snags not unexpected though. Meanwhile, if you do find someone who has build or is attempting to build this pls put us in touch. Thx Chris Gupta At 12:05 AM 3/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Chris, > >I am sorry but the whereabouts of the inventor, the only person I know >of who has built a prototype, is not known at this time. In fact he >hasn't been heard from since 1988. I believe he made two prototypes and >I think there have been others built by other people, including BMW in >1981, but as for contact details I have none. When I return to England >in September I want to set about building a prototype myself and I >believe all the information necessary is included in the patent text on >the site. The diagram is the only part of the patent which was missing: >the diagram on the site is one I made, based on the text. > >Keep your eye on the new site: http://members.tripod.com/~water_engine/ >where I will be posting results of my prototype, hopefully by October >this year. > >Best Regards and keep in touch, > >... anon99 >/////////// > > >> >>Hello, >> >>I am very interested in building the Cornish Hydrogen device. And was >>wondering if you could put me in contact with someone who had build >one. >>From the patent and denials shown at the following site: >> >> http://eeyore.phy.bris.ac.uk/water_engine/ >> >>It appears that the pictures are of 2 different prototypes and there >are >>parts of the patent missing. Would love to dialog with some one who is >>either building or has build one of these devices. Any help would be >>appreciated. >> >>Many Thx >> >>Chris Gupta >>Canada >> >>Chris Gupta >>mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca >> > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Chris Gupta mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Chris Gupta mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 08:27:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11235; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:26:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:26:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:25:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803301625.IAA07697@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) Resent-Message-ID: <"eepZe.0.Ql2.CVy7r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have been thinking of how to increase the voltage output of a homopolar generator. With the usual copper disk, there usually is one path from the center to the edge. Suppose the disk could be cut into radial segments and all segments be placed electrically in series? I wound a toroid coil with flat sides and about 200 turns. I hopes to get 200X voltage output, that is, volts, not mV. A ring magnet with a pole on its face was placed next to the toroid. Either the coil or magnet was spun about its axis. No voltage output was measured. Theories: All the flux entering the toroid leaves the other sides, producing counter emf on these parts of the turns. Or, no flux passes through the turn cross sections. Any suggestions on an arrangement that works? If the magnet(s) were moved to the outer curved coil faces, the outer toroid turns on both ends would generate voltages that add. The inner face emf's would cancel this voltage if the flux travelled completely radially through the toroid. If the toroid had an iron core so the magnetic flux travelled through it and didn't exit the inner face, it would work- a "Gramme" machine. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 08:32:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03352; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:28:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:28:05 -0800 Message-ID: <19980330162739.18124.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:27:39 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: GIT and magnetic motors? To: Freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"PQTlL.0.xp.GWy7r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, This is a real prelim idea, but thought I'd toss it out to the group to see if anyone else finds it interesting. Firstly, read up on the GIT stuff [http://www.open.org/davidc/index.htm]. I'm planning on building a real simple one...anyone else playing with this thing? Second -- I'm wondering if the GIT design could be powered by perm magnets, and use the thrust/inertia produced by the device to break-free of the final magnetic field. IE...use the thrust as a 'regauge' mechanism. Just a thought, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 14:18:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29917; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:16:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:16:54 -0800 Message-ID: <352019D2.37ADD336@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:46:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, FREE ENERGY Subject: Re: Status Report References: <351EF448.A6A1361C@microtronics.com.au> <351F4737.5DC8899A@mail.pc.centuryinter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"44orB2.0.DJ7.Kd18r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Taylor J. Smith wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > Please keep the money I sent you. Just send me > my SMOT kit when you are ready. Your money will be returned. I should have never made the offer of shipping a very quickly changing device. My latest SMOT is like the Mk 3 (circular ramp), but very much easier to duplicate and adjust. It is what I intent to ship. > > Jack Smith > > P. S. Scott Little wrote: > > http://www.eden.com/~little/magnets/marinov.html > > "The force vectors F shown on the > drawing [Image12.gif] result from the usual > > F = I x B > > that comes from Maxwell's eqns." > > Jack Smith wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Based on Horace Heffner's recent posts, would > you modify your expression for the > "force vectors F" ? > > Hello again, Greg, > > Your input into the discussion of the Marinov > notor would be valuable. When the agreement expires, there is much I will comment on! > > Jack Smith Hi Jack, Thanks for the input and offer, but I really must return to my roots. All the money will be returned as my gesture of apology for getting you all involved in my DMEC mess. Greg From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 15:49:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06991; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:48:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:48:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5C03.D6FCF040@pm3-160.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" , "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: FW: Batteries and isolation Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:46:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id PAA06941 Resent-Message-ID: <"MjHVh2.0.1j1.dz28r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister [SMTP:stk@sunherald.infi.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 7:35 AM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Subject: Batteries and isolation >Greetings: >Is there some kind of battery that I can get 5 amps out of ([not a car battery!], or an array of batteries) that will also accept 100kV >without being destroyed? Would I need to do something special to the battery to insulate it to 100kV? >ALSO: >I have a coil, and need to run 4 amps through it. How can I make sure that there is actually 4 amps going through it, and if not how >can I force the amps through it? Should I place something that will draw 4 amps at the output of the coil? >Thanks, >Kyle Randall Mcallister >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >Phone: 228-875-0629 >Fax: 228-872-5837 No reply? I apologise if I'm asking many questions, but I am new to electronics. Physics is my specialty. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 16:32:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13886; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:32:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:32:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35203950.2298E01F@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:31:12 -0500 From: Priede X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: Batteries and isolation References: <01BD5C03.D6FCF040@pm3-160.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b3YQ03.0.tO3.yb38r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >Is there some kind of battery that I can get 5 amps out of ([not a car battery!], or an array of batteries) that will also accept 100kV > >without being destroyed? Would I need to do something special to the battery to insulate it to 100kV? I'm not sure about it, if all else fails, make something that does! ;) > >I have a coil, and need to run 4 amps through it. How can I make sure that there is actually 4 amps going through it, and if not how >can I > >force the amps through it? Should I place something that will draw 4 amps at the output of the coil? A "coil" - tesla coil, or transformer, or what? If it is a tesla coil, how to get more amperage through it is to up the voltage. Here is a little formula to figure out amperage: Amperage = Voltage/Resistance If you need 4 amps, simply say: 4 = X/Resistance of coil (I'm pretty sure that is how to figure out how to make 4 amps - coils may be different for resistance values when energised, just like a light is when on.) > No reply? I apologise if I'm asking many questions, but I am new to electronics. Physics is my specialty. - Jordan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 17:25:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21968; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:25:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:25:08 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: GIT ...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:11:49 +0200 Message-Id: <19980331021149.103bfaca.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"M3eJv1.0.3N5.nN48r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:27 30.03.1998 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi All, > >This is a real prelim idea, but thought I'd toss it out to the group >to see if anyone else finds it interesting. > >Firstly, read up on the GIT stuff >[http://www.open.org/davidc/index.htm]. I'm planning on building a >real simple one...anyone else playing with this thing? > > Hi, I just downloaded a few movies and it really looks like this thing can violate Newton law of action and reaction ! It really seems to generate an unidirectional thrust ! I will try to convert the movies to RealVideo format and put them onto my overunity.com web server. Thanks a lot for this interesting information ! May we soon have cheap space flight ! :) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 18:15:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07143; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:15:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:15:27 -0800 Message-ID: <352052BF.EB3C89F2@dcache.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:19:43 -0500 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: Batteries and isolation X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BD5C03.D6FCF040@pm3-160.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j4c6_1.0.Ml1.x658r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle R. Mcallister [SMTP:stk@sunherald.infi.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 7:35 AM > To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > Subject: Batteries and isolation > > >Greetings: > > >Is there some kind of battery that I can get 5 amps out of ([not a > car battery!], or an array of batteries) that will also accept 100kV > >without being destroyed? Would I need to do something special to the > battery to insulate it to 100kV? > > >ALSO: > > >I have a coil, and need to run 4 amps through it. How can I make sure > that there is actually 4 amps going through it, and if not how >can I > force the amps through it? Should I place something that will draw 4 > amps at the output of the coil? > > >Thanks, > >Kyle Randall Mcallister > >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > >Phone: 228-875-0629 > >Fax: 228-872-5837 > > No reply? I apologise if I'm asking many questions, but I am new to > electronics. Physics is my specialty. Hi Kyle In order to build a power supply you need to establish the requirements or specifications for it. Power supplies are rated in Watts output usually. So for your application 5 Amps at 100 K volts leads to 500 KW output, this amount is equivalent to 670 horsepower! If you need this continuously then you have to find a large generator set to supply it, or a suitable transformer to the power company's line. If the power is needed a pulse at a time, then the energy is usually stored in large capacitors which are then pulsed to release their energy, sometimes pulse shaping circuits are made from inductors too. There are even devices called explosive generators that discharge great energy with charged plates and coils moved quickly by conventional explosives. Could not resist, pun intended, anyway - you asked about controlling the flow of current. Power supplies include regulating circuits simple ones are resistors but if you need accuracy then you get an off the shelf voltage regulator and use it to control the larger power supply that has coarser regulation. Power supply design books can be found at the library. Your approach is fine, take the time to clearly visualize your equipment, read about sources of power. Once you can write out your needs as a specification, just as you would purchase something, then you will have a clear enough description to build something. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Mar 30 19:53:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24846; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:52:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:52:50 -0800 Message-ID: <35203058.35B0@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:52:56 -0600 From: wperry3092 Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetophosphenes? References: <19980311213345.10319.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G_N7n.0.446.GY68r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton Rager wrote: > > Hello All, > > Ran across this URL [while looking for something completly > different.......infoseek listed it with a query for "+radius +primary > +secondary"....work related stuff] and I was wondering if anyone has > ever heard of the following: > > "Normally, people are not able to sense the presence of very high > 10-1,000 mG magnetic fields; however, extremely high levels exceeding > 100 Gauss (100,000 mG) will cause a temporary visual flickering > sensation called magnetophosphenes which disappears when the field is > removed. " > > from: http://www.mnsinc.com/emf/pub7.html > > I've never heard of this -- anyone know of other refs to the "effect"? > What causes it? Magnetic distortion of synaptic transmissions? > > Just curious, > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com I was thinking of something that was slightly more off subject of FE, but I think it needs clarification. If one could perfect this whole magnetophosphene phenomenon, it should be possible to creat neurological holograms from a distance as in Quantum Leap. If anyone has any input on this, let me know. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 31 02:43:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27571; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:43:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:43:04 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:40:04 +0200 Message-Id: <19980331114004.00124b98.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"wCM_e3.0.hk6.tYC8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, what do you all thing about a simular to the GIT device, the Lorrey device ? http://homepages.together.net/~retroman/lorreydr.htm Please let me know your opinion. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 31 15:09:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21192; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:23 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980331114004.00124b98.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:45:07 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? Resent-Message-ID: <"Jk3P51.0.fA5.XUN8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephan - > Please let me know your opinion. I want to believe it. Unfortunately I can't, unless see a demo hanging from a line, pushing a boat, etc. Short of seeing a real demo that shows some pormise, I have no interest in what is almost certainly a mistake if not a hoax. Note the word "prospectus" in the web site. They want your money. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Mar 31 19:26:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11966; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:25:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: K easy Message-ID: <1569a1e5.3521b32c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:23:22 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Batteries and isolation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"IoV313.0.jw2.wER8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-03-30 18:51:06 EST, you write: << >Is there some kind of battery that I can get 5 amps out of ([not a car battery!], or an array of batteries) that will also accept 100kV >without being destroyed? Would I need to do something special to the battery to insulate it to 100kV? >ALSO: >I have a coil, and need to run 4 amps through it. How can I make sure that there is actually 4 amps going through it, and if not how >can I force the amps through it? Should I place something that will draw 4 amps at the output of the coil? >> Kyle, The problem here is guessing the details of what you are trying to do. As for the battery, three lead-acid batteries in series (not necessarily a car battery) would come close, as would a series/parallel combination of many other batteries. The question is how long you need the 5 amps -- milliseconds? seconds? hours? The 100 Kv I am guessing is pulses the battery must survive. If so the duration is critical but you might be able to use a filter in series to reduce any ill effects. For 4 amps through a coil (and you don't say whether it is AC or DC ), the obvious answer is a meter, and once you have everything set, remove the meter if you need to. Without a better idea of what you are trying to do, it's hard to make better suggestions. Ken Keasy@aol.com