From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 04:14:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10233; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 04:14:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 04:14:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35223112.23DB@servtech.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:20:34 -0500 From: "Robert W. Gray" Reply-To: rwgray@servtech.com Organization: P.D.Structures X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? References: <19980331114004.00124b98.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QyiVa.0.nV2.e-Y8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi, > > what do you all thing about a simular to the GIT device, the Lorrey device ? > > http://homepages.together.net/~retroman/lorreydr.htm > > Please let me know your opinion. This kind of device is very old news. I saw something similar years ago in a books called "How to build a flying saucer." by Patwick(?) (I don't remeber the the guys name.) I even desgined out some gears for this kind of thing. But I've neared seen one work. (Not that it can't. I just lost interest because you need a lot of energy to keep things rolling. My interests are in trying to generate *that* energy, not in using it.) Bob Gray From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 09:15:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19050; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:15:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:15:41 -0800 Message-ID: <19980401142751.22760.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Zi51V2.0.Of4.xOd8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick, What's your take on the GIT stuff? I have seen lots of stills and AVIs of moving devices. Seems to be a similar concept.....but more info is publically avail. Looks like enough folks are playing with it and getting results....credible? Guess this thread should move to the Anti-G list.....I really only meant to shift some thought to using the inertial drive concept for reguaging a FE/OU device. ---Rick Monteverde wrote: > I want to believe it. Unfortunately I can't, unless see a demo hanging from > a line, pushing a boat, etc. > > Short of seeing a real demo that shows some pormise, I have no interest in > what is almost certainly a mistake if not a hoax. Note the word > "prospectus" in the web site. They want your money. Later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 15:13:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28759; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:13:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:13:03 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803301625.IAA07697@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:08:29 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) Resent-Message-ID: <"En5hk.0.E17.zdi8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com How about at spiral (or two as in Yin Yang) for the path? >Hi all, >I have been thinking of how to increase the voltage output of a homopolar >generator. With the usual copper disk, there usually is one path from the >center to the edge. Suppose the disk could be cut into radial segments and >all segments be placed electrically in series? >I wound a toroid coil with flat sides and about 200 turns. I hopes to get >200X voltage output, that is, volts, not mV. A ring magnet with a pole on >its face was placed next to the toroid. Either the coil or magnet was spun >about its axis. No voltage output was measured. Theories: >All the flux entering the toroid leaves the other sides, producing counter >emf on these parts of the turns. Or, no flux passes through the turn cross >sections. > >Any suggestions on an arrangement that works? If the magnet(s) were moved to >the outer curved coil faces, the outer toroid turns on both ends would >generate voltages that add. The inner face emf's would cancel this voltage >if the flux travelled completely radially through the toroid. If the toroid >had an iron core so the magnetic flux travelled through it and didn't exit >the inner face, it would work- a "Gramme" machine. >-Dave Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 15:20:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA30457; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:20:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:20:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3522C8E8.68B0@microtec.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:08:24 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SJ0SI3.0.nR7.8li8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There is a question I always asked myself: If you connect a high voltage low current source to a high current low voltage source, will you have a high voltage high current source. As if you connect a Van Der Graff generator, or better, a Tesla coil to a homopolar Generator, will you get more efficiency ? thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 17:20:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08569; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:20:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:20:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3522E6D2.4005BE5A@vossnet.de> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:16:02 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l CC: newman-list Subject: Big bowling Bertha almost as good as big Newman machine ! ;) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lhJi03.0.n52.BVk8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.open.org/davidc/SamsPage.htm Hi, check this out ! Newton´s law violation by a mad scientist cranking up bowling balls ! :) It is for real ! The GIT will fly soon ! :) Regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 18:16:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02904; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:16:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:16:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3341C0D1.11C453A4@vossnet.de> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:13:37 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harti@harti.com CC: freenrg-l , newman-list , davidc@open.org Subject: Re: Git Realvideo movies online ! References: <3522E6D2.4005BE5A@vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ADS1E2.0.Aj.eJl8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I have uploaded now 6 RealVideo movies of the GIT device into: http://www.overunity.com/movies/git1.rm to http://www.overunity.com/movies/git6.rm You can also stream them in Realtime via http://www.overunity.com/movies/git1.ram to http://www.overunity.com/movies/git6.ram . Enjoy ! the future is here ! :) Stefan Hartmann wrote: > http://www.open.org/davidc/SamsPage.htm > > Hi, check this out ! > Newton´s law violation by a mad scientist cranking up > bowling balls ! :) > It is for real ! The GIT will fly soon ! :) > > Regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 18:55:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13354; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:55:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:55:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: The End Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"l9oPf3.0.-F3.Yul8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PST. Happy 4/1 ! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 19:54:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10549; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:54:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:54:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980401204924.00967220@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:49:24 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: AJ Dubla Subject: Re: The End In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"42IbN2.0.ia2.blm8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com That's a good one Mr. Beaty. April fools to you to. ;) Alan At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: > >The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device >I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts >of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with >insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE >HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. > >Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Happy 4/1 ! > > >((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) >William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website >billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb >EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science >Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 20:23:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03505; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:23:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:23:08 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980401142751.22760.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:31 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? Resent-Message-ID: <"IEOsM2.0.Ms.o9n8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton - > Looks like enough folks are playing with it and getting > results....credible? Don't know yet. I don't rule it out, just not in yet either. I need more information, but am not very interested in getting it because of the apparently very low probability that there's anything there. I'd love to be wrong about that though. That's why I'm on these lists. If things seem to be hitting a sort of critical mass, it could be worth a look. I was up to my neck in SMOTs, so it could happen. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 21:32:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29240; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:32:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:32:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35233C59.3647@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:20:57 -0800 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V7by7.0.i87.rBo8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick et al! Regarding the Lorrey, Cowlishaw, Dean, Laithwaite, Cook, Thornsen, Japolsky, Kidd and other such gyro/inertial drives, we discussed it to some degree on the KeelyNet-L list and despite the videotape that Thornsen did showing a box sitting in a canoe and the canoe accelerating across the water with nothing in the water but a rudder, it would appear that canoe test could well be translated vibration from the box to the canoe as pointed out by Senor' Tomes. It was brought up that the device could be suspended by a rope and if it pushed in one direction, that would be a far better indicator that something was up. John Berry said he thought he had seen such a suspension test with one of these devices, but he could not remember where. Senor' Tomes then suggested suspension in a vacuum as the ultimate test. IMHO, I'd settle for air as a beginning, then try it in vacuum if that test worked out OK. When I saw the Thornsen video of the canoe, there was no obvious wake beyond the boat passing, but as Ray Tomes points out, it could transfer thrust against the water. Vibrating box, pushing against canoe, causing canoe to jerk, pushing against the water......so air is the next obvious test. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 1 23:24:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06646; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:24:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:24:03 -0800 X-ROUTED: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:23:48 +0200 Message-ID: <35233CED.4F2DA899@datacomm.ch> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:23:25 +0200 From: Martin Schmid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: William Beaty Subject: Re: The End References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zt9a81.0.gd1.Fqp8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi William, Hi List Please, don't restart the same procedure as when Greg left us for a while. It is just the way money controls us. Will, I wish you all the best for your future. Please come back when you're allowed to. We'd like to know about breaktroughs and successes. Regards Martin Schmid William Beaty wrote: > > The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device > I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts > of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with > insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE > HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. > > Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PST. > > Happy 4/1 ! > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 01:01:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18218; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:01:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:01:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:00:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804020900.BAA28974@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) Resent-Message-ID: <"44Ccj3.0.SS4.IFr8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Richard and all, Thanks for your suggestion. Do you know anyone who has tried this? What is the theory for this operation, i.e. Don't you want the conductors at 90 deg. from their velocity? I can see making one by winding a coil in a "pancake" configuration. At 10:08 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >How about at spiral (or two as in Yin Yang) for the path? > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 02:02:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28773; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:01:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:01:51 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199803301625.IAA07697@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:54:03 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) Resent-Message-ID: <"wyEQQ1.0.T17._7s8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Richard - > How about at spiral (or two as in Yin Yang) for the > path? Tesla had some designs like this. I don't know if they generated a higher voltage, but if you found the references to it there might be some information on that. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 02:02:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28743; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:01:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:01:50 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:47:51 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: The End Resent-Message-ID: <"tX8B12.0._07.v7s8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill - > The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature > wave acoustic device I've been working on in secret for > years is finally putting out 137watts of excess energy > per hour. I hope the demise of these lists is just an April Fools joke, but that gizmo description is intriguingly tasty. I bet it's toroidal and high voltage too, right? It wouldn't surpise me if it did put out 137 watts! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 02:02:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28796; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:01:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35233C59.3647@keelynet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:52:07 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? Resent-Message-ID: <"emPr73.0.Q17._7s8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jerry - > John Berry said he thought he had seen such a > suspension test with one of these devices, but he could > not remember where. I may be getting a bit redundant by repeating this, but the box containing the device must swing out and stay *completely* out from underneath the vertical from the suspension point. In other words, a box with a gyro in it could move from a vertical hanging position to one where a vertical line traced to the suspension point above just grazes the edge of the box, and there's nothing special about that. But if the vertical line cleared the edge of the box and it stayed that way... - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 03:37:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08083; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:37:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:37:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35237791.53073CD0@vossnet.de> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:33:37 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: GIT device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UMS373.0.8-1.1Yt8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick Monteverde wrote: > Jerry - > > > John Berry said he thought he had seen such a > > suspension test with one of these devices, but he could > > not remember where. > > I may be getting a bit redundant by repeating this, but the box containing > the device must swing out and stay *completely* out from underneath the > vertical from the suspension point. In other words, a box with a gyro in it > could move from a vertical hanging position to one where a vertical line > traced to the suspension point above just grazes the edge of the box, and > there's nothing special about that. But if the vertical line cleared the > edge of the box and it stayed that way... > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Hi Rick and all, as of the description of the GIT developers it is already doing it ! It swings out and stays there, no pendulum ! Look into the GIT pages ! I will try to build something like this when I have more time to try it. In the meantime check the RealVideo movies at: http://www.overunity.com/movies/index.cgi They are already pretty convincing ! Regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 04:23:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11673; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:23:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:23:11 -0800 (PST) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980317081437.007c3890@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:14:37 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The End In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zTa6n3.0.Is2.jCu8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: > >The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device >I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts >of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with >insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE >HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. > >Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PSt > >Happy 4/1 ! > Well, Isnt that the way? Chris Bird is dead. Stan Meyer is dead, James Bockrus, is in hiding, Yull Brown is dying. George Wiseman is in seclusion. And I am gone. Love TR Knudtson >((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) >William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website >billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb >EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science >Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 07:22:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13424; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:21:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:21:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980402150301.10371.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:03:01 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: GIT device....off plumb -- Let's build it! To: harti@harti.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QQxlk1.0.cH3.opw8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan is correct. There are no pictures of this on the site, but the is a blurb at http://www.open.org/davidc/updates.htm that indicates that Jeremy Goodman has done a test and observed a 4inch deviation from plumb for 10 sec [battery problems] with several differing length pendulums. Pictures of that would make a believer for sure ;| This thing don't look that hard to build -- I'm thinking about using steel mouse balls [of SMOT fame, but with the coating still on], a hard-drive motor attached to a single platter for the drive wheel, and a couple metal bowls for the races. We'll see if the HD motor has enough strength to do it. ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > Jerry - > > > > > John Berry said he thought he had seen such a > > > suspension test with one of these devices, but he could > > > not remember where. > > > > I may be getting a bit redundant by repeating this, but the box containing > > the device must swing out and stay *completely* out from underneath the > > vertical from the suspension point. In other words, a box with a gyro in it > > could move from a vertical hanging position to one where a vertical line > > traced to the suspension point above just grazes the edge of the box, and > > there's nothing special about that. But if the vertical line cleared the > > edge of the box and it stayed that way... > > > > - Rick Monteverde > > Honolulu, HI > > Hi Rick and all, > > as of the description of the GIT developers it is already doing it ! > > It swings out and stays there, no pendulum ! > > Look into the GIT pages ! > > I will try to build something like this when I have more time to try it. > > In the meantime check the RealVideo movies at: > > http://www.overunity.com/movies/index.cgi > > They are already pretty convincing ! > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 08:09:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23243; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:09:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:07:21 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The End In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u17Bc1.0.4h5.gWx8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Rick Monteverde wrote: > > The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature > > wave acoustic device I've been working on in secret for > > years is finally putting out 137watts of excess energy > > per hour. > > I hope the demise of these lists is just an April Fools joke, but that > gizmo description is intriguingly tasty. I bet it's toroidal and high > voltage too, right? It wouldn't surpise me if it did put out 137 watts! Yeah, and it would have to have a vortex running down the center too! And big chains sunk into concrete, to keep it from pulling a "Searl" on me. :) I forgot the rotating permanent magnets though... ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 08:55:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04011; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980402145134.6102.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QrLb-.0.N-.rAy8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I recommend reading the Tesla book "Writings, Researches, and Inventions of N. Tesla" [I think....] In one section of the book there is quite a bit of detail on some of Tesla's work with Homopolar Generators. Main one that comes to mind was the spiral segmentation of the disd.. Overall the book is a good read. ---Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Richard - > > > How about at spiral (or two as in Yin Yang) for the > > path? > > Tesla had some designs like this. I don't know if they generated a higher > voltage, but if you found the references to it there might be some > information on that. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI > > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 09:45:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00342; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3523B846.9548EC04@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:09:43 -0500 From: Scott Peterson Reply-To: sdp127@psu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The End References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JGUB43.0.65.rwy8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gave me a friggin' heart attack. I was about to go ballistically paranoid! > The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device > I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts > of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with > insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE > HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. > > Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PST. > > Happy 4/1 ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 10:10:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02795; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:07:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980403005450.1e9752f4@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: The End Resent-Message-ID: <"6QZwH3.0.Fh.6Iz8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:14 AM 3/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device >>I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts >>of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with >>insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE >>HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. >> >>Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PSt >> >>Happy 4/1 ! >> >Well, > >Isnt that the way? Chris Bird is dead. Stan Meyer is dead, James Bockrus, >is in hiding, Yull Brown is dying. George Wiseman is in seclusion. And I >am gone. > >Love > >TR Knudtson >>((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) >>William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website >>billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb >>EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science >>Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L >> >> >> > >Hi, I talked to Stan Meyer's office manager recently. He said they are doing large secret contracts with big business using their "Water Fuel Cell" technology. Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 10:10:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02824; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:20 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:07:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980403005442.1e976386@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? Resent-Message-ID: <"F1nwi2.0.qh.8Iz8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:20 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Rick et al! > >Regarding the Lorrey, Cowlishaw, Dean, Laithwaite, Cook, Thornsen, >Japolsky, Kidd and other such gyro/inertial drives, we discussed it to >some degree on the KeelyNet-L list and despite the videotape that >Thornsen did showing a box sitting in a canoe and the canoe accelerating >across the water with nothing in the water but a rudder, it would appear >that canoe test could well be translated vibration from the box to the >canoe as pointed out by Senor' Tomes. > >It was brought up that the device could be suspended by a rope and if it >pushed in one direction, that would be a far better indicator that >something was up. > >John Berry said he thought he had seen such a suspension test with one of >these devices, but he could not remember where. > >Senor' Tomes then suggested suspension in a vacuum as the ultimate test. > >IMHO, I'd settle for air as a beginning, then try it in vacuum if that >test worked out OK. > >When I saw the Thornsen video of the canoe, there was no obvious wake >beyond the boat passing, but as Ray Tomes points out, it could transfer >thrust against the water. Vibrating box, pushing against canoe, causing >canoe to jerk, pushing against the water......so air is the next obvious >test. >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > >Hi, The video of the canoe and the suspension test are on the video, "Race to Zero Point". Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 11:23:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28967; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:23:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:23:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:22:22 -0500 From: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@compuserve.com> Subject: Heart Attack City! (The End) Sender: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Message-ID: <199804021422_MC2-38C9-3312@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id LAA28907 Resent-Message-ID: <"u5x2u1.0.L47.hM-8r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, you got me! I religiously check my mail just for the free eng list as soon as I get to work each day! My wife, who works with me, gives me endless grief over my addiction, (not too bad really). My first reaction was "Oh man, thats not funny!" but its actually the perfect April's fool joke for people like us, and am I RELIEVED that it is just a joke! I can't believe I fell for that............. Recovering in San Diego, Glenn Hinton From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 13:04:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24826; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523FD33.332DFE71@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:03:47 -0500 From: Priede X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The End References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8C4_m3.0.o36.kr_8r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty wrote: > > The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device > I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts > of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with > insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE > HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. > > Say your goodbyes quick, it's all over at midnight PST. > > Happy 4/1 ! :) Funny! As I was reading this I didn't realize it was April 1st... - Jordan Priede From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 13:48:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02506; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:48:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:48:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <352406B1.9405E016@vossnet.de> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 23:44:17 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Anton Rager Subject: Re: GIT device....off plumb -- Let's build it! References: <19980402150301.10371.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BND1e1.0._c.iU09r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton Rager wrote: > Stefan is correct. There are no pictures of this on the site, but the > is a blurb at http://www.open.org/davidc/updates.htm that indicates > that Jeremy Goodman has done a test and observed a 4inch deviation > from plumb for 10 sec [battery problems] with several differing length > pendulums. Pictures of that would make a believer for sure ;| > > This thing don't look that hard to build -- I'm thinking about using > steel mouse balls [of SMOT fame, but with the coating still on], a > hard-drive motor attached to a single platter for the drive wheel, and > a couple metal bowls for the races. We'll see if the HD motor has > enough strength to do it. > Great Anton, please let me know your results ! I don´t have any time in this moment to build anything, but maybe a friend of mine will do soon. Thanks ! Best regards, Stefan. > ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > > Jerry - > > > > > > > John Berry said he thought he had seen such a > > > > suspension test with one of these devices, but he could > > > > not remember where. > > > > > > I may be getting a bit redundant by repeating this, but the box > containing > > > the device must swing out and stay *completely* out from > underneath the > > > vertical from the suspension point. In other words, a box with a > gyro in it > > > could move from a vertical hanging position to one where a > vertical line > > > traced to the suspension point above just grazes the edge of the > box, and > > > there's nothing special about that. But if the vertical line > cleared the > > > edge of the box and it stayed that way... > > > > > > - Rick Monteverde > > > Honolulu, HI > > > > Hi Rick and all, > > > > as of the description of the GIT developers it is already doing it ! > > > > It swings out and stays there, no pendulum ! > > > > Look into the GIT pages ! > > > > I will try to build something like this when I have more time to try > it. > > > > In the meantime check the RealVideo movies at: > > > > http://www.overunity.com/movies/index.cgi > > > > They are already pretty convincing ! > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 16:24:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19590; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:23:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:23:57 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5E64.38987CE0@pm3-119.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: GIT device: my tests Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:21:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA19536 Resent-Message-ID: <"khjpZ3.0.zn4.Rm29r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I tried 3 different GIT's. A very fascinating device. Only one problem; it didn't work. But according to Dave Cowlishaw, I built them wrong. So don't give up. I'm planning to build one soon. As soon as I finish my Wimhurst machine. (Wimhurst machines are damn tough to build:) Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 16:29:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22013; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:28:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:28:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The End In-Reply-To: <3523FD33.332DFE71@pathcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Zf0Jt.0.gN5.1r29r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Priede wrote: > William Beaty wrote: > > The liquid bismuth nonlinear homopolar quadrature wave acoustic device > > I've been working on in secret for years is finally putting out 137watts > > of excess energy per hour. The financial sources I've been dealing with > > insist that I discontinue vortex-L and freenrg-L, and pull SCIENCE > > HOBBYIST off the web to maintain a low profile. > :) Funny! As I was reading this I didn't realize it was April 1st... I apologize to those who read this on 4/2 and had less reason to be suspicious. I wish I had done as John Schnurer pointed out: encode a message in the first letters of the purported "device". With family and internet addiction and all, I think the halls of science are safe from Bill Beaty coming up with any earthshaking inventions. Unless I discover them while staring into the weeds next to the sidewalk (or car hoods, or something.) The Bismuth "device" came out of my fingers as I typed. But now that I think about it, metals are dense plasma. If a metal contains two 90deg sound waves in quadrature phase relationship, its atoms describe tiny circles during each cycle of sound. If the sound is high frequency and intense, what nonlinear plasma effects would arise in the "rotating" metal? Deadly beams of torsion radiation? Overunity "Keely Explosions?" If a field from a permanent magnet is also applied, we whould form an AC homopolar generator and find immense AC currents inside the metal with interesting geometrical and phase relationships with the sound vibrations. Like Tesla's Earthquake machine, but it tweaks the spacetime instead of the bedrock. Liquid metal cannot support transverse acoustic waves like solid metal can, so effects might be different for a liquid metal (besides invoking mercury-based UFO engines, and Graneau's Amperian metal-pumping forces.) Use bismuth for the Art-Bell-ness, also a low melting temperature I think, also poorly-understood diamagnetism, possibly electrogravity. Mix it all together for maximum silliness. And yet... If you build one, be sure to avoid thinking negative thoughts during its operation. Otherwise it might open a "montauk" portal mouth which will suck up all your expensive lab equipment and drop it into the Philadelphia naval yard in 1945. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 2 18:08:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08203; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:08:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:08:10 -0800 Message-ID: <35244184.326E@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:55:16 -0500 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: CONSTANT SPEED GIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"agTfT3.0.402.8I49r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I came upon a .gif image about a gravity generator, but I also think this would make an easy constant speed GIT, that means no speed variation to produce the trust, just weights translation. By using VERY powerful rare earth permanent magnets to translate the weights, one would only have to spin the wheel which could be easily done by embedding rotor coils in the wheel. But I think the .gif image speaks for itself. Go to this site to see it. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/windowe/generator1.html patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 04:21:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04354; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:20:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:20:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980403214734.007a2100@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:47:34 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: The End In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"63sp32.0.w31.ZGD9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: > >> >Like you april fool joke had me worried for 2 secs Any way have added some new stuff at my website > >Geoff Http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > > > > > > > > > Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me. Like to hear from You From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 04:42:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07816; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:42:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:42:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804031242.JAA18003@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Very Good ! To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:39:08 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: EARTH DRAGGING SPACE AND TIME AS IT ROTATES Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"9Goor2.0.1w1.TaD9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Douglas Isbell Headquarters, Washington, DC. March 27, 1998 (Phone: 202/358-1753) Lynn Chandler Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD (Phone: 301/286-9016) RELEASE: 98-51 EARTH DRAGGING SPACE AND TIME AS IT ROTATES An international team of NASA and university researchers has found the first direct evidence of a phenomenon predicted 80 years ago using Einstein's theory of general relativity -- that the Earth is dragging space and time around itself as it rotates. Researchers believe they have detected the effect by precisely measuring shifts in the orbits of two Earth-orbiting laser-ranging satellites, the Laser Geodynamics Satellite I (LAGEOS I), a NASA spacecraft, and LAGEOS II, a joint NASA/Italian Space Agency (ASI) spacecraft. The research, which is reported in the current edition of the journal Science, is the first direct measurement of a bizarre effect called "frame dragging." The team was led by Dr. Ignazio Ciufolini of the National Research Council of Italy and the Aerospace Department of the University of Rome, and Dr. Erricos Pavlis of the Joint Center for Earth System Technology, a research collaboration between NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, and the University of Maryland at Baltimore County. "General relativity predicts that massive rotating objects should drag space-time around themselves as they rotate," said Pavlis. "Frame dragging is like what happens if a bowling ball spins in a thick fluid such as molasses. As the ball spins, it pulls the molasses around itself. Anything stuck in the molasses will also move around the ball. Similarly, as the Earth rotates, it pulls space-time in its vicinity around itself. This will shift the orbits of satellites near the Earth. "We found that the plane of the orbits of LAGEOS I and II were shifted about six feet (two meters) per year in the direction of the Earth's rotation," Pavlis said. "This is about 10 percent greater than what is predicted by general relativity, which is within our margin of error of plus or minus 20 percent. Later measurements by Gravity Probe B, a NASA spacecraft scheduled to be launched in 2000, should reduce this error margin to less than one percent. This promises to tell us much more about the physics involved." Einstein's theory of general relativity has been highly successful at explaining how matter and light behave in strong gravitational fields, and has been successfully tested using a wide variety of astrophysical observations. The frame-dragging effect was first derived using general relativity by Austrian physicists Joseph Lense and Hans Thirring in 1918. Known as the Lense-Thirring effect, it was previously observed by the team of Ciufolini using the LAGEOS satellites and has recently been observed around distant celestial objects with intense gravitational fields, such as black holes and neutron stars. The new research around Earth is the first direct detection and measurement of this phenomenon. The team analyzed a four-year period of data from the LAGEOS satellites from 1993 to 1996, using a method devised by Ciufolini three years ago. The other team members are Dr. Federico Chieppa of Scuola d'Ingegneria Aerospaziale of the University of Rome, and Drs. Eduardo Fernandes and Juan Perez-Mercader of Laboratorio de Astrofisica Espacial y Fisica Fundamental (LAEFF) in Madrid. The measurements required the use of an extremely accurate model of the Earth's gravitational field, called the Earth Gravity Model 96, which became available only recently due to the collaborative work of the Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics at Goddard, the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (formerly the Defense Mapping Agency), Fairfax, VA, and the Ohio State University, Columbus, OH. It was developed over a four-year period using tracking data from approximately 40 spacecraft. Dr. John Ries, an expert in satellite geodesy at the University of Texas at Austin, cautions that it is very challenging to remove the much larger effects of tidal changes and small zonal influences in the Earth's gravitational field, so that estimating the possible errors in the measurement of the Lense- Thirring effect is itself uncertain. "The relativistic effect being sought is about ten million times smaller than classical Newtonian disturbances on the plane of the LAGEOS orbits, requiring an enormously accurate treatment of background effects," said Dr. Alan Bunner, science program director for the Structure and Evolution of the Universe in the Office of Space Science at NASA headquarters, Washington, DC. LAGEOS II, launched in 1992, and its predecessor, LAGEOS I, launched in 1976, are passive satellites dedicated exclusively to laser ranging, which involves sending laser pulses to the satellite from ranging stations on Earth and then recording the round-trip travel time. Given the well-known value for the speed of light, this measurement enables scientists to determine precisely the distances between laser ranging stations on Earth and the satellite. LAGEOS is designed primarily to provide a reference point for experiments that monitor the motion of the Earth's crust, measure and understand the "wobble" in the Earth's axis of rotation, and collect information on the Earth's size, shape, and gravitational field. Such research is part of NASA's Earth Science enterprise, a coordinated research program that studies the Earth's land, oceans, ice, atmosphere and life as a total system. -end- ------ Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br marcelo@ee.pucrs.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 06:12:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27637; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:12:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:12:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:38:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980403205258.226f216a@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: GEET Technology Resent-Message-ID: <"xjebA2.0.il6.zuE9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Return-Path: owner-globalwarming@buster.law.pace.edu >>Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:19:11 -0500 >>To: globalwarming@buster.law.pace.edu >>From: "David E. Wojick" >>Subject: radical tech >>Sender: owner-globalwarming@buster.law.pace.edu >>Reply-To: globalwarming@buster.law.pace.edu >> >>This is not an April fool's joke. I am not making this up. However, I have >>not seen a GEET device in operation, although I have talked to people who >>say they have. >> >>David >> >> >>Meet GEET >> >>The truly radical Global Environmental Energy Technology, or GEET to its >>friends, is either the savior of fossil fuel combustion or the biggest hoax >>since Piltdown Man. According to GEET's inventor, Paul Pantone, the >>technology eliminates all undesirable combustion emissions and can easily >>be retrofit to existing systems, like cars and electric power generators. >>Witnesses, including some scientists, say it works. Other scientists say it >>is impossible. >> >>GEET is a fuel processor, and a classic Edison-like invention in that if it >>works nobody can say quite how. Pantone calls it a refinery in a pipe. He >>claims the key ingredient is a plasma, also known as the fourth state of >>matter, where electrons are stripped away from the nuclei of atoms in a >>gas. Big three automakers are experimenting with putting plasmas on the >>tailpipe to reduce emissions, but GEET supposedly runs the fuel through a >>plasma before combustion. Assuming it works as claimed, GEET uses the >>thermal and electromagnetic properties of out-flowing exhaust gases to >>convert in-flowing fuel into a plasma. This breaks the complex hydrocarbons >>in the fuel down into a hydrogen rich broth that burns very efficiently. >>Two or three times more efficiently than raw fuel, according to the >>inventor. >> >>Dr. Andrew Richter, professor of physics and electrical engineering at >>Henry Cogswell College, spent almost a week testing GEET and says it >>definitely works. However, he does not share Pantone's plasma theory, >>saying "I have no idea why it works". But Dr. Nigel Fitzpatrick of the >>British Columbia Research Institute, who turned down a test model, says >>"The laws of thermodynamics are immutable. It cannot work." >> >>Pantone's most contentious claim is that the plasma actually breaks the >>carbon nuclei down into hydrogen nuclei. When this happens the product of >>combustion is water vapor. No carbon dioxide, no NOx, just water. About as >>environmentally friendly as it gets. In fact Pantone's GEET equipped car >>almost failed the state's emission test because it had no measurable >>emissions. He says he likes to add water to his fuel, just to prove he is >>actually splitting atoms. Richter says he tested an engine running on half >>crude oil and half water. Sometimes Pantone runs his electric generator on >>a mixture of 20% battery acid and 80% seawater, or so he says. He has also >>used toxic waste. >> >>Scientists say you can't split atoms without a lot of energy, but Pantone >>says if there is a plasma in there these are not atoms, just nuclei. Plus >>plasmas are not well understood. Witnesses say it works, if so it will >>certainly change the energy business. After all, the workings of the >>Bessemer Converter were not explained for almost 100 years. Long after it >>had revolutionized the steel industry. >> >>The GEET URL is http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET >> >>David E. Wojick, Ph.D., P.E. >>540-858-3503 >> >>dwojick@shentel.net >>http://www.bydesign.com >>(Click on "PowervisioN" OR "NAAQS on the Web") >> >>PowervisioN >>391 Flickertail Lane >>Star Tannery, VA 22654 >>USA >> >> ( David Wojick is a writer for scientific journals, and is not associated with GEET ) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 11:10:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17189; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:09:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: egel@main.murray.net.au Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:06:03 -0800 Subject: Re: The End Message-ID: <19980403.110611.4918.0.tv@juno.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980403214734.007a2100@main.murray.net.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-9,11-15 Resent-Message-ID: <"WI-lv.0.RC4.dFJ9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Geoff, I like your atmospheric electrostatic motor ! Thanks for the great web pages. I always look forward to see what you have added. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:47:34 +0900 GEOFF EGEL writes: >Any way have added some new stuff at my website >Http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 >Geoff _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 11:34:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17798; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:34:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: <352539BA.29F781B6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:34:23 -0500 From: "Dana K. Loan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GIT device: my tests References: <01BD5E64.38987CE0@pm3-119.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-cM4C1.0.-L4.BdJ9r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle, Are you building from plans? If so, where did you get them and what is the expected output? I'm interested in HV Electrostatics and any info would be appreciated. Dana Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Hello all: > > I tried 3 different GIT's. A very fascinating device. Only one problem; it didn't work. But according to Dave Cowlishaw, I built them wrong. So don't give up. I'm planning to build one soon. As soon as I finish my Wimhurst machine. (Wimhurst machines ar e damn tough to build:) > > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 14:01:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17990; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:01:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:01:04 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <6c2bc93c.35255bc4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:59:30 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Push Pull magnet research (neutral zone) What happened? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"U1LPu.0._O4.UmL9r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, Two or three weeks ago the list was very active with research on an arrangement of permanent magnets that had a neutral zone and different arrangements were being looked at in an attempt to extract work from the magnets. The activity just stopped all of a sudden. Does anyone know what the status is on this research or why it just dropped from the list? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 15:39:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12369; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:39:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:39:23 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5F27.2748FD20@pm3-137.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: GIT device: my tests Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:37:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5F27.27509E40" Resent-Message-ID: <"gdzbS.0.s03.eCN9r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5F27.27509E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Dana K. Loan[SMTP:loan@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:34 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GIT device: my tests >Kyle, > Are you building from plans? If so, where did you get them and what = is the expected >output? I'm interested in HV Electrostatics and any info would be = appreciated. >Dana Yes, I have plans for the GIT's. Mostly from Dave Cowlishaw's web page, = I gathered the info and pieced it together. My first experiment with the = GIT showed something, but I can't be certain its thrust. The other two = didn't work; One I used a PVC pipe race with large marbles in it. The = other, I used a five gallon bucket for the race (cut it up to build it) = and used tennis balls for orbitals. The only effect was that the tennis = balls broke the race, and one gave me a black eye. No thrust though. As = far as electrostatics, I'm trying (as I said) to build a Wimshurst = machine, but I can't get it to work. See my follow up message. Kyle R. 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Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:45:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id PAA06978 Resent-Message-ID: <"7BvdF1.0.gj1.8MN9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all, I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on Geoff Ege l's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of the jar, attatched to the inner flashing l ayer by thin electrical wire (insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about .5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I intend to run it with motors late r. Questions: 1. Did I build the discs wrong? 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the discs and the brushes? 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? 5. Is the wire not good to use? 6. Are my discs too far apart? Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 17:42:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25195; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:41:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:41:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35258EDC.B62172BE@vossnet.de> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 03:37:33 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l Subject: Proof of Newton law violation with GIT ! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E23A4C8A6F99EC915BEB1AFB" Resent-Message-ID: <"siqSg.0.Z96.L_O9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E23A4C8A6F99EC915BEB1AFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8477/index.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------E23A4C8A6F99EC915BEB1AFB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="index.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="index.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral /Hangar/8477/index.htm" index.html

Welcome to my web page. I have set this up in an effort to aid the advancement of the GIT. It is a collection of my personal experience with this emerging technology. I will assume that you have linked to this site from the rather awesome site of Mr. David Cowlishaw. If you haven't already visited his site I would recommend that you do so immediatly other wise this site won't really make much sense.

These are renderings of my most recent and best working construction which I have christened WET #1. This construction performed quite well in during a pendulum test. While suspended from four individual lines of approximately 7 and a half feet in length it managed to push itself about four inches of off plumb. Note that this sustained forward motio n is a violation of most physicists dogmatic view of reality. I will soon be adding some photos and hopefully even some video of this little beauty in action. Until then I hope that these help in your understanding of the construction of my device.

( yellow ) motor

( pink ) drive wheel carved from a big pink eraser

( red ) orbitals

( tan ) wooden parts of the device

( gray ) screws

Specifics

Over all length ............. 5 in

Race dimensions ......... 2.5 in

Motor RPM's ............. guesstimated at 2-300 rpm

--------------E23A4C8A6F99EC915BEB1AFB-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 17:42:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01952; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:42:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:42:13 -0800 Message-ID: <35258F50.A34BDDDA@vossnet.de> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 03:39:28 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l Subject: [Fwd: Git Realvideo movies online ! - Ahhh... Britt's and James Hurl's videos I see - DavidC] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BE640111CB77D1D55294DD19" Resent-Message-ID: <"7389n3.0.PU.p_O9r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BE640111CB77D1D55294DD19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------BE640111CB77D1D55294DD19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >From davidc@open.org Sat Apr 04 02:13:07 1998 Received: by pop3.vossnet.de from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:13:07 +0200 Received: by pop3.vossnet.de from mail.harti.com (168.144.4.1::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:13:03 +0200 Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail.harti.com (SMTP32) id A00000067; Fri, 3 Apr 98 20:04:58 EST Received: from opengovt.open.org [199.2.104.1] by mail.harti.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A7398500E6; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:04:57 EST Received: (from root@localhost) by opengovt.open.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA29123; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from opengovt29.open.org(199.2.104.29) by opengovt.open.org via smap (V2.0) id xmaa29106; Fri, 3 Apr 98 16:41:25 -0800 Message-ID: <00f101bd5f64$cedb78a0$236802c7@davidc> From: "David E. Cowlishaw" To: Cc: "harti@harti.com" , "Timothy L. Schoonover" , "Jeremy W Goodall" , "A.H. Forge" , "Amanda J. Gilbert" , "Britt Beaubian" , "Dann McCreary" , "Dr. Jones" , "Gabriel Ataya" , "James Kelly" , "Jim Bolstad" , "Jim Wilson" , "Joao Carlos de Andrade" , "Mike Haney" , "Phillip Surgison" , "Sam Smith" Subject: Re: Git Realvideo movies online ! - Ahhh... Britt's and James Hurl's videos I see - DavidC Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:26:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-From: Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 20:04:58 EST Resent-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de From: Stefan Hartmann To: David E. Cowlishaw Cc: IIC Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 3:34 AM Subject: Re: Git Realvideo movies online ! - Cool! can I get it in regular video? - DavidC Stefan; Ah... I see you've copied videos of other sites, not the hoped for YOUR construction tests, but a pleasant surprise just the same! git1.rm (and would suppose git1.ram as well) is Britt's overhead shot of the water test, git2 the back shot near the water line, git3 is from rear left mid level, git4 the walking rolly polley on land shot, git5 is another land test (upright rhumba scooter test, you know the one!), and git6 is James Hurl's IndieGIT land test. Nice packing! Downloaded pretty quick, I DID get the RealPlayer 5, it just deleated it's old expired self, settled into the browser, and so far so good, but I can't find the save as file (or even the files other than recent list), oh, there they are, under the http:// listings, never mind, I found them! May I suggest the push back water tests of Britt's would be a very good addition to your archive? They DO show a specific direction and intent upon it, in an "impossible" boat! We're hoping Jeremy can get a pendulum test vid up soon, his new site (under construction, and html crash learning program) is: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8477/index.htm Visit another new builder on the net, Phillip Surgison in South Africa at: http://www.edu.co.za/git.htm he MIGHT do some video, but his simple construction is rather elegant (not to mention cheap and relatively easy!), DO have a look! Jim Kelley does a lot of correspondence involving the GIT, and has stated he'll keep an updated list of the growing number of GIT sites around the world, the URL: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/5192/ Of course there's more coming, DO watch the updates, eventually I'll get around to telling the public about all the neat stuff going on while they surfed, so talk with you later! DavidC - 3 April 98 - CC: Digest ============== Reference: http://www.overunity.com/movies/git1.rm http://www.overunity.com/movies/git2.rm http://www.overunity.com/movies/git3.rm http://www.overunity.com/movies/git4.rm http://www.overunity.com/movies/git5.rm http://www.overunity.com/movies/git6.rm You can download the RealVideo player for FREE from: http://www.real.com/products/player/index.html ============== --------------BE640111CB77D1D55294DD19-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 19:37:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10940; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:37:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:37:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3525AA0D.5A7E@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:33:33 -0500 From: Drexler X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: GIT...Johnson Motor...Finsrud Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5JOM3.0.qg2.whQ9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com #1 GIT Refering to: http://www.open.org/davidc/backgrnd.htm (Load Images!) we find that J.L. Naudin has already tested the basic principle behind the GIT. Of course J.L. was looking for anamalous energy (i.e. excess potential energy on one side of the "loop"). I am wondering what were the results of Mr. Naudin's experiments? I am unable to find any reference to these tests on his page(s). #2 Johnson Motor Several months ago there was a small thread concerning U.S. patent #4,151,431: "Permanent Magnet Motor". Has anyone since attempted to construct such a device? Results? #3 Finsrud Devive Has this been proven non-tenable (a hoax) or has it simply been ignored? Does anyone have any _current_ updates on this device? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 19:47:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12168; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:47:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:47:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3525AC44.8BDFDB1D@vossnet.de> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 05:43:01 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GIT...Johnson Motor...Finsrud References: <3525AA0D.5A7E@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3N1OI3.0.wz2.uqQ9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Drexler wrote: > #1 GIT > > Refering to: http://www.open.org/davidc/backgrnd.htm (Load Images!) we > find that J.L. Naudin has already tested the basic principle behind the > GIT. Of course J.L. was looking for anamalous energy (i.e. excess > potential energy on one side of the "loop"). I am wondering what were > the results of Mr. Naudin's experiments? I am unable to find any > reference to these tests on his page(s). > I just got an AVI movie from JL, where you can see, that the ball rolls up on one site higher ! So it confirms the function of the GIT principle ! > #2 Johnson Motor > > Several months ago there was a small thread concerning U.S. patent > #4,151,431: "Permanent Magnet Motor". Has anyone since attempted to > construct such a device? Results? > I guess, JL is trying to build one.He has done some very good simulation of the device. > #3 Finsrud Devive > > Has this been proven non-tenable (a hoax) or has it simply been ignored? > Does anyone have any _current_ updates on this device? The device works for a few weeks only, but during this period it really produces more output power thna put into it. It comes to a still stand due to special glue used in its footstand getting dryed out and getting hard after a while. But it clearly is OU ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 3 21:40:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29548; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:40:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:40:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804040538.VAA18151@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:48:15 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YA3O13.0.XD7.NVS9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com 1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce charges in each other. 2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. 3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally "smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush (even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the record surface. 4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's a WONDERFUL book on building generators. 5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. 6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot --Gary. ---------- > From: Kyle R. Mcallister > To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! > Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM > > Hello all, > > I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire (insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about .5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! > nd to run it with motors later. > > Questions: > > 1. Did I build the discs wrong? > 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the discs and the brushes? > 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? > 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? > 5. Is the wire not good to use? > 6. Are my discs too far apart? > > Thanks, > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 4 04:09:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26811; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:09:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:09:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980404213202.007c25e0@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:32:02 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! In-Reply-To: <199804040538.VAA18151@rio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yqZaT1.0.qY6.aBY9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The records specified in the wimhurst design on my page were circu 1945 75/33 rpm bakelite I found modern viynl did not work. I also believe the vanish on the records must also be a natural varnish and not the petroleum based vanish on the market today. At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >charges in each other. >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > >--Gary. > >---------- >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> Hello all, >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >discs and the brushes? >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> > > > Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me. Like to hear from You From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 4 07:08:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA32694; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:08:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5FA8.EF9F9780@oemcomputer> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:54:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5FA8.EFA8BF40" Resent-Message-ID: <"d2c452.0.l-7.Xpa9r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5FA8.EFA8BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Gary Shannon[SMTP:reboot@rio.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:48 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to = induce >charges in each other. That's my problem. Geoff Egel said they need to be no more than 1/4 inch = apart. My new design has them 1/8 inch apart (when I get it assembled). >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records = failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere = that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, = and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT = want!. You need to coat the LP's with a couple coats of varnish, leaving the = metal leaves bare. That's what I did on mine to eliminate the = conduction. Geoff built a working model, so I guess it's possible. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel = brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. I guess my steel wool is softer. I didn't have this problem. What would = you recommend to use as conductive segments if my next attempt fails? Thanks for the input, Kyle R. 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Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:27:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5FA8.F2682D60" Resent-Message-ID: <"qQSNG2.0.7V2.2ra9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5FA8.F2682D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: GEOFF EGEL[SMTP:egel@main.murray.net.au] Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 6:32 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >The records specified in the wimhurst design on my page were circu 1945 >75/33 rpm bakelite I found modern viynl did not work. Strange, someone once said that phonograph records work fine. I guess they were wrong. (It wasn't on Freenrg-L) >I also believe the vanish on the records must also be a natural varnish and >not the petroleum based vanish on the market today. Well, off to get some plexiglass for me then. Kyle R. Mcallister At 09:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >1. The disks must be as close together as possible. They have to induce >charges in each other. >2. All my attempted electrostatic generators with old LP records failed, >yet worked when I used disks cut from plexiglass. I heard somewhere that >black LP's may have carbon black (conductive) in them for coloration, and >to aid in reducing static on the record surface. (Just what you DONT want!. >3. My first LP record Whimshurst didn't work. I looked closely at the >record surface after running it for a while. My brushes had literally >"smeared" aluminum over the record surface creating a conductive path >between segments. Aluminum flashing is very soft and a hard steel brush >(even steel wool) will scrap off some aluminum and re-deposit it on the >record surface. >4. All the way around I've had better luck with A.D. Moores "DiRod" >designs. They are somewhat easier to build than Whimhursts, and work very >reliably. His DiRod book has just been re-issued and is available from >http://www.electrostatic.com/index.htm (A.D. Moore's Electrostatics: >Exploring, Controlling and Using Static Electricity) For only $14.95 it's >a WONDERFUL book on building generators. >5. For a REAL kick, build a Van De Graaff. They are a LOT easier than >disk-based machines and deliver a lot more voltage. >6. Try some of my easy to build generators at http://www.rio.com/~reboot > >--Gary. > >---------- >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:45 PM >> >> Hello all, >> >> I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I >built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed >phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record >facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are >contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for >the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to >make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on >Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth >edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner >and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of >the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire >(insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, >insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about >.5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte! >> nd to run it with motors later. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Did I build the discs wrong? >> 2. Must there be very good electrical contact between the leaves on the >discs and the brushes? >> 3. Is steel wool okay to make brushes with? >> 4. Was it spun too slow by hand pushing the disc edges? >> 5. Is the wire not good to use? >> 6. Are my discs too far apart? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> > > > Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me. 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freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) Resent-Message-ID: <"2lhqT.0.ua5.B7c9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi Richard and all, >Thanks for your suggestion. >Do you know anyone who has tried this? What is the theory for this >operation, i.e. Don't you want the conductors at 90 deg. from their velocity? >I can see making one by winding a coil in a "pancake" configuration. >At 10:08 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >>How about at spiral (or two as in Yin Yang) for the path? >> >-Dave Path length rather than radius distance may be an enhancing factor. Spirals are a natural form in nature. I don't know of any trials of this type but vortex technology would suggest spirals. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 4 08:47:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24536; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35266308.2DA6B790@vossnet.de> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:42:48 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, geet@friend.ly.net Subject: Re: Lorrey device...unidirectional thrust ! UFO propulsion ?? References: <1.5.4.16.19980403005442.1e976386@pop3.friend.ly.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mTiNH.0.F_5.cGc9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > > >Hi, > The video of the canoe and the suspension test are on the video, "Race to > Zero Point". Bob > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > + + > + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + > + + > + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + > + + > + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + > + + > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Hi Bob, where can I buy this video from ?? Please let me know. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 4 09:43:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23236; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:42:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:42:58 -0800 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:42:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804041742.JAA00328@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! Resent-Message-ID: <"rSQ1E.0.zg5.W4d9r"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 05:45 PM 4/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I built a prototype Wimshurst machine and spun it up; And---no voltage. I built the discs out of plywood that I cut to be round, and then placed phonograph records onto the plywood. I put them onto shafts, each record facing away from the other. The discs had a common axis, are contrarotating, and about 4 inches apart. I used thin aluminum flashing for the metal leaves. I added the brushes, made of fine steel wool (easy to make, good electrical conduction). I wired the machine up as specified on Geoff Egel's pages. I then constructed the Leyden jars from some old smooth edged instant tea jars, and used the same tin flashing to make the inner and outer metal layers, and used a piece of steel shaft in the center of the jar, attatched to the inner flashing layer by thin electrical wire (insulated). The wire I used to connect the brushes and jars was all thin, insulated multi-strand copper wire. Last, I placed two jumper wires about .5 inches apart, and hand spun the discs. I inte >nd to run it with motors later. > Hi Kyle and all, >From the plans I've seen: 1. The disks should be close together as possible. Remove the wood from between them. The capacitance variations between opposing sectors or leaves are important. 2. The neutralizer brushes touch lightly the sectors. These are the 2, 180 deg. apart on each disk, connected together. 3. The collectors are more like combs than brushes. They face the sectors on both disks. Besides the combs, avoid any sharp corners or edges. To see if any HV is generated, run it in the dark and look for any blue corona discharge. Hope this helps. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 4 12:27:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25923; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BD5FD5.1AE30400@pm3-138.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:22:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD5FD5.1AEC2BC0" Resent-Message-ID: <"XCNsS3.0.qK6.kTf9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5FD5.1AEC2BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: dave dameron[SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 11:42 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wimshurst Machine-HELP! >Hi Kyle and all, >From the plans I've seen: >1. The disks should be close together as possible. Remove the wood from >between them. The capacitance variations between opposing sectors or leaves >are important. Should 1/8 inch be okay? Separated with a thin piece of vernier wood. >2. The neutralizer brushes touch lightly the sectors. These are the 2, 180 >deg. apart on each disk, connected together. I got that part right. >3. The collectors are more like combs than brushes. They face the sectors on >both disks. The collectors don't actually touch the discs? If not, how close should they be? >Besides the combs, avoid any sharp corners or edges. To see if >any HV is generated, run it in the dark and look for any blue corona discharge. >Hope this helps. >-Dave Hey, I didn't think of that. I'll try when my lucite plexiglass model is finished. Thanks for the help! Kyle R. 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By using VERY >powerful rare earth permanent magnets to translate the weights, one >would only have to spin the wheel which could be easily done by >embedding rotor coils in the wheel. To make his Gravity Generator work, it seems that all you need to do is make the balls magnets. The stator would be an arrangement of magnets to repel them OUTWARD on one side and INWARD on the other side!!! P.S. I think I found a way to make a constant speed GIT. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 5 05:11:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06768; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:06:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804051206.OAA21452@imaginet.fr> X-Sender: lentin@mail.imaginet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: Race to Zero Point video Resent-Message-ID: <"BlM4q2.0.df1.EJt9r"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan & all Stefan Hartmann wrote : >> The video of the canoe and the suspension test are on the video >> "Race to Zero Point". > where can I buy this video from ?? Wot ? Stefan, you mean you don't have it ? You'll love it, I'm sure. It's a 2 hours program on free energy devices, magnetic motors, ZPE, etc. Lots of good people interviewed (a few not so good too...) and interesting demos. Definite good value for the money (35 $) ! You can get it at the producers website, Lightworks Audio & Video, at : http://www.lightworksav.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 5 18:51:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26929; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3528326C.1DA7@spu.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:39:56 -0700 From: TK Reply-To: tnk@spu.edu Organization: tnk@spu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: macrosonics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i2_Ej.0.ea6.xF3Ar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Check out the following URL's relating to a macrosonics, and post what you think of these devices, uses, etc. http://cnn.com/TECH/9712/02/sound.wave.energy/ http://www.aip.org/physnews/graphics/acoustics/1997/macroson/macroson.htm Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 6 12:55:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20112; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:53:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:53:55 -0700 From: K easy Message-ID: <5c4dadbb.35293295@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:52:51 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: macrosonics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"FaLrn.0.9w4.HBJAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-04-05 21:58:10 EDT, you write: << Check out the following URL's relating to a macrosonics, and post what you think of these devices, uses, etc. http://cnn.com/TECH/9712/02/sound.wave.energy/ http://www.aip.org/physnews/graphics/acoustics/1997/macroson/macroson.htm >> At first I thought Lucas was just stating that much higher energy sound waves could be transmitted through solid materials than through air (shock wave, cavitation problems), but the new part apparently is the compression of gases using acoustic waves. I found the sites interesting but saw no immediate application to any of our often VERY diverse proposals for free energy. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 6 17:27:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21529; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:27:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:27:11 -0700 Message-ID: <352965CB.494B1C91@vossnet.de> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 01:31:23 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l CC: newman-list Subject: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OkPHw1.0.IG5.UBNAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I just had a look at the new MARS-FACE photos at: http://mars.sgi.com/mgs/target/CYD1/index.html I must say, NASA seems to be pretty bad in taking pictures ! The raw image is so dark, you would not believe it... What have they done with the camera ? Can´t they just not get the right brightness and contrast to use a good histogram stretching ?? This way they just use a few grey levels instead using the full 256 grey level potential.... I have tried myself to equalize the image and am getting pretty other results than their enhanced version.. Also they did not state, if this artificial hill should be the MARS FACE or not... Please compare it with the old Viking probe picture at: http://mars.sgi.com/mgs/cydonia2.html It looks, like they missed the most important features, like the pyramids and the city ! Why can NASA not be forced to image all these important areas at Cydonia instead of wasting time and the money of the AMERICAN PEOPLE to map some totally uninteresting areas ??? The american TAX payer is paying for all this unprofessional work. Why is NASA not doing , what the people demand ?? How can we change this "bad and "arrogant" behavior ? Who has the power to demand a change ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 6 19:04:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08595; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004001bd61c9$1aecf6e0$ee5cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: "freenrg-l" Cc: "newman-list" Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:59:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"6Mvbv.0.C62.vbOAr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I can't tell if the hill is the face, but it looks like it *could* be. I'm *much* more interested in the pyramids, though. Even if they're natural, they're more interesting than the "face". -- "It'll be just like 'The Wonder Years', but with giant snakes!" --H:TLJ, Yes Virginia, There Is a Hercules From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 6 20:55:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06960; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:55:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:55:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3529A3DD.2519A48E@vossnet.de> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 05:56:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l CC: newman-list Subject: First analysis of the highres MARS "face". There is a Pyramid ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eAHgL3.0.Ui1.jEQAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I just studies for about 3 hours an enhanced picture of the 9 MB RAW TIF JPL has posted on their WEB site. It does not look like a face, but it looks very artificial ! It looks like a artificial build plateau. It is so symmetrically build, it really looks like an artificial build "high plateau" place. At one end side of the high plateau, there are 2 symetrically going down "stairs" and there is a triangular pyramid located directly in front of the stairs ! In front of the pyramid it looks like there is a place where a casket (coffein) is placed like being a place to sacrifice ! Also this place is pretty flat, so it might have been the sacrifice place for praying to gods ?? (like in old Egypt stories..?) There is also a very strange kind of "mountain" in the lower border of the picture, where some very parallel "lines" exhibit from. Can´t explain what it should be or if it is artificial... also don´t have any normal explanation of it ! Now, after looking for 3 hours at each "artifact" and zooming in and out of the picture this high plateau "face"-place looks really pretty much artificial and I am pretty much convinced, that it was build by ETs or something like this. Too bad, there are not yet other images available, especially of the so called "city" where a few other pyramids are located. If the probe has mapped this picture from flying from buttom to the top of the picture, it must have already photographed the city during the last revolution or during the next fly-by, so other pictures of the "city" must soon be available, if they will ever be released.... What do you all think of this interpretation ? Have a look at the enhanced picture and make up your own decision ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 6 21:27:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11854; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:26:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3529AB25.B0FC77D1@harti.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 06:27:17 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newman-list CC: freenrg-l Subject: Hitting the mars face...JPL mapping... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tlpes.0.3v2.shQAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If you look at the mapping at: http://mars.sgi.com/mgs/target/CYD1/cydonia_map.gif you can see, that JPL has just choosen only to hit the "FACE" but not all the other interesting "anomalies" located in that example ! I hope they still will try to get new pics of the pyramids located at the left on this above picture ! BTW, I studied a different picture than the enhanced JPL pic, which they now have at their web site. I enhanced the raw pic myself and got a different, better suited picture, where you can see more clearly the pyramid located ontop the FACE-plateau ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 7 13:43:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05440; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A8F8A.87A948CD@pathcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:41:46 -0400 From: Priede X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! References: <004001bd61c9$1aecf6e0$ee5cadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aoby93.0.vK1.7_eAr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > I can't tell if the hill is the face, but it looks like it *could* be. I'm > *much* more interested in the pyramids, though. It would be really cool if they weren't natural. Maybe if the "pyramids" on Mars are very similar to the ones on Earth it would suggest that at ??? time some alien beings visited this solar system. I think that would be VERY interesting. Let's take a poll: Who here beleives in Aliens? I do. I haven't every seen one, nor do I know anyone who has seen one, but just considering the vastness of our galaxy alone.... There's no way in my mind we are the only form of life. > Even if they're natural, they're more interesting than the "face". Yep! Mabe if they are natural, it might suggest that ancient Myans etc. had telescopes or some other viewing device, saw these, and built thier pyramids on that design? - Jordan Priede From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 7 14:04:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09574; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A9460.84976374@darknet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:02:24 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! References: <004001bd61c9$1aecf6e0$ee5cadd1@default> <352A8F8A.87A948CD@pathcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vwxTO1.0.LL2.3JfAr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Let's take a poll: > Who here believes in Aliens? I do.. I haven't seen any either, but I've never doubted they exist.. Regarding the pyramids, I agree with you.. Also, it's too bad about the face.. I really hoped it was some big monument of an alien face or something... oh well.. there's still the other stuff at Cydonia to look at, which would be more interesting, as you said.. ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 7 18:38:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09502; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:37:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:37:24 -0700 Message-ID: <352AD4EB.951A6043@harti.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 03:37:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vince@lauralee.com, lauralee@lauralee.com, webmaster@enterprisemission.com, freenrg-l Subject: Fwd: There is a Pyramid !First analysis of the highres MARS "face" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AA209315AEEF2EBC4AE5E432" Resent-Message-ID: <"x_rPl.0.FK2.IJjAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AA209315AEEF2EBC4AE5E432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------AA209315AEEF2EBC4AE5E432 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3529A90F.4E7A41A1@harti.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 06:18:23 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newman-list Subject: [Fwd: First analysis of the highres MARS "face". There is a Pyramid !] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5DCE10AC7CFAF0BAE62FF4D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5DCE10AC7CFAF0BAE62FF4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------5DCE10AC7CFAF0BAE62FF4D0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3529A3DD.2519A48E@vossnet.de> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 05:56:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l CC: newman-list Subject: First analysis of the highres MARS "face". There is a Pyramid ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I just studies for about 3 hours an enhanced picture of the 9 MB RAW TIF JPL has posted on their WEB site. It does not look like a face, but it looks very artificial ! It looks like a artificial build plateau. It is so symmetrically build, it really looks like an artificial build "high plateau" place. At one end side of the high plateau, there are 2 symetrically going down "stairs" and there is a triangular pyramid located directly in front of the stairs ! In front of the pyramid it looks like there is a place where a casket (coffein) is placed like being a place to sacrifice ! Also this place is pretty flat, so it might have been the sacrifice place for praying to gods ?? (like in old Egypt stories..?) There is also a very strange kind of "mountain" in the lower border of the picture, where some very parallel "lines" exhibit from. Can´t explain what it should be or if it is artificial... also don´t have any normal explanation of it ! Now, after looking for 3 hours at each "artifact" and zooming in and out of the picture this high plateau "face"-place looks really pretty much artificial and I am pretty much convinced, that it was build by ETs or something like this. Too bad, there are not yet other images available, especially of the so called "city" where a few other pyramids are located. If the probe has mapped this picture from flying from buttom to the top of the picture, it must have already photographed the city during the last revolution or during the next fly-by, so other pictures of the "city" must soon be available, if they will ever be released.... What do you all think of this interpretation ? Have a look at the enhanced picture and make up your own decision ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------5DCE10AC7CFAF0BAE62FF4D0-- --------------AA209315AEEF2EBC4AE5E432-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 7 20:44:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11360; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352AF0DA.7A2D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:36:59 -1000 From: wperry3092 Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! References: <004001bd61c9$1aecf6e0$ee5cadd1@default> <352A8F8A.87A948CD@pathcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vOQg93.0.On2.A7lAr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Priede wrote: > Yep! > Mabe if they are natural, it might suggest that ancient Myans etc. had > telescopes > or some other viewing device, saw these, and built thier pyramids on > that design? or maybe vice-versa? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 7 22:46:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29069; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804080544.WAA28312@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:44:10 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lVubd.0.067.XymAr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Just out of curiosity, take a look at just about ANY picture from Mars and you'll see LOTS of "pyramids" all over the whole planet. It's an interesting, but obviously very natural, and VERY common formation on the red planet. --Gary. ---------- > From: Priede > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 1:41 PM > > > I can't tell if the hill is the face, but it looks like it *could* be. I'm > > *much* more interested in the pyramids, though. > > It would be really cool if they weren't natural. Maybe if the "pyramids" > on Mars > are very similar to the ones on Earth it would suggest that at ??? time > some > alien beings visited this solar system. I think that would be VERY > interesting. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 7 23:24:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20106; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:24:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:24:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199804080624.XAA29899@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:17:02 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HhmPU.0.3w4.FWnAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: wperry3092 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:36 PM > > Priede wrote: > > Yep! > > Mabe if they are natural, it might suggest that ancient Myans etc. had > > telescopes > > or some other viewing device, saw these, and built thier pyramids on > > that design? > > or maybe vice-versa? > Actually the Mayans had television and the Martians used to broadcast MNN (Martain News Network) to Earth. Of course NASA, in league with the clandestine branch of the Girl Scouts of America have covered up all this data. Consipacies are EVERYWHERE! -Gary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 8 01:55:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03652; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:55:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:55:29 -0700 From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <94dcba65.352b3b55@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:54:43 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A Vortex in a Bottle, a very simple experiment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"fJx853.0.tu.-jpAr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Vortexians... You will find very simple and "recreative" experiment about the generation of a Vortex...You will see with this experiment how a bidirectional flow (water/air) share the small 9 mm hole between the two plastic soda bottles...Very amazing and instructive for the knowledge of vortexes..... See at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/vtxbottle.htm Have fun, Jean-Louis Naudin 04-08-98 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 8 12:57:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24406; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352BD651.B9B74EF4@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:56:01 -0400 From: Priede X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MARS FACE PICS ONLINE..First impression of bad image taking by NASA ! References: <199804080624.XAA29899@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8K7Il2.0.Cz5.cQzAr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com *snip* > Actually the Mayans had television and the Martians used to broadcast MNN > (Martain News Network) to Earth. Of course NASA, in league with the > clandestine branch of the Girl Scouts of America have covered up all this > data. Consipacies are EVERYWHERE! > > -Gary. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 8 15:16:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16925; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:16:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:16:10 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:10:30 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: INE Website Has Been Updated. Resent-Message-ID: <"nt0xV2.0.B84.eS_Ar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All new revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Apr. 7, 1998 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 5, No. 11, March 1998 IANS Closes Its Operation! INE NEW-ENERGY SYMPOSIUM - August 14-15, 1998 Now Come Torsion Fields Radiation Monitoring By Citizens Miscellaneous Transmutation Experiments U.S. Source and Use of Energy Fiber Fuse Effect Subscribe To The Journal of New Energy New Energy News Bibliography Flywheel Coupling Defies Newton's Laws On the Developement of New Energy Letter from Wayne Powell Letter From Frank Znidarsic 3 second timers in the DEVICES files for automatic URL transfer to the database, to allow upper and lower case spelling, and the forgetting of the /db/ URL part. Updated: Subjects and Authors Fabulous Facts People and Organizations Websites Site counter = 220,340. Mar. 30, 1998 Added "Subjects and Authors" to the top of the Main Page. Added the 4 Figures (Finally!) to the Really Good Oct. 1997 HAARP Paper: History and Applications of HAARP Technologies: The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program Added Edward Lewis's recent email summaries in the Most Recent Articles section on the main page: ELEWIS12: Is There Radioactive Stimulation of Radioactivity in Electrolysis Cells? ELEWIS13: Introduction to: "The Periodic Production of Rationalized Phenomena and The Past Periodic Depressions". Posted new data from Alex Frolov in NEWIDEAS96B.html. Fixed an error in the /db/ database file newman.html. Site counter = 217,626. Mar. 25, 1998 Changed: IANS Address and ANE Website Data IANS Address Data Websites Site counter = 216,315. Mar. 23, 1998 Added: Boundaries of Science (NZ) Web Ring Link in /db/: DEVICES, DEVICES_C, DEVICES_I, and DEVICES_N to allow also capital letter spelling. Subjects and Authors Websites Site counter = 215,081. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 8 18:31:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22216; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator experiments (continued) Message-ID: <19980408.202454.7519.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8,13-16 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:22:02 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"1lz4M3.0.1R5.lI2Br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:38:02 -0800 Richard Austin writes: >>Hi Richard and all, >>Thanks for your suggestion. >>Do you know anyone who has tried this? What is the theory for this >>operation, i.e. Don't you want the conductors at 90 deg. from their >velocity? For those interested in Homopolar generators, there is an excellent article in the Jan 12, 1984 issue of Machine Design (page 105-109) titled "New Promise for an Old Principle". It gives the basic design formulas, and points out one of the strengths of this design is the ability to create high current pulses... Steve _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 8 21:31:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17151; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:25:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:25:40 -0700 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199804090422.AAA28417@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:22:18 -0400 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free-Energy Books Cc: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Gl77K3.0.tB4.2t4Br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Does anyone have any of these books? Are any of them really worth getting? http://idt.net/~cnfrmtn9/free.html I am looking for reproducible devices - not wishful thinking. Thanks Chris Gupta Chris Gupta mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 8 22:13:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22734; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:08:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:08:09 -0700 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199804090507.BAA03826@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:07:53 -0400 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Minto Wheel Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA22711 Resent-Message-ID: <"YOVJO.0.6Z5.tU5Br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Heard Jerry talk about the Minto wheel according to this note I found it was bust. Any comments? Was looking for a detailed plan on the Minto wheel is there on availble somewhere http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/energy-r esources/homepower-magazine/archives/18/18pg57.txt More Delco Tips Dear Home Power, As a long time advocate and user of home power I was pleased when I saw my first issue (#15) of the magazine. I have not been doing much except talking about it for the last seven years for various reasons, but am now teaching a class on wind energy and electric vehicles for Jordan College's Energy Institute. The letter from Lon Beville about using Delco generators for motors is right on, but here's a few more tips. The variable resistor (rheostat) for the field is needed only if you want to vary the speed of the motor. I've used them for grinders, drill presses, water pumps, etc. by just grounding the field. By use of the rheostat, however, you can run these motors on higher voltages. 24 and 32 volt systems will run them ok, I've never tried higher. The trick is to keep the current in the field to the same level or less than if 12 volts was applied. More current than that is just turned to heat and can burn out the field coils. I took an old Ford generator and mounted it on a 30" buzz saw. Double V-belts from the motor to the flat pulley worked fine. At the time I was using a 30 volt system with a large battery. A rheostat was used to adjust the field current so that the motor drew minimum current and the saw would "sing" right. That was about 10 amps. The wood I cut was slabwood, sometimes I'd have to nurse it and make two cuts, but it worked well. While loaded down cutting hard, the motor would draw about 100 amps. Sometimes I'd smell the hot insulation, but since I had plenty of motors I ignored the odor. Never burnt that thing out, and I cut alot of wood. You probably know by know that Mother Earth News built a large Minto Wheel back in the '70's and it was a bust. Took so much heat to make it go that it wasn't worth the effort. It did work, though. If Home Power is interested I'll write an article on my battery powered arc welder that would lay a 200 amp bead and did a lot of fastening for me. Also, perhaps a description of water systems I've installed. Meanwhile, here's my six dollars for a subscription, keep up the good work! Oh, by the way, Jordan College's offices are in Cedar Springs, MI 49319. Paul E. Zellar, Mount Pleasant, MI ***Hello Paul, Home Power considers all reader input- articles, system shorties, homebrew, and letters. See "Writing for HP" on page 55 for the details. RP New Mexico Hydro Freaks, LOOK OUT! Would like to contact current water power user's in New Mexico. Can you help? H. Frauenglass, 1316 Willow Farm Box 56, Embudo, NM 87531 More Stamps Than Friends Hello! I am/was a B.S. Mechanical Engineer, but am also a pragmatist, or is it just intelligently lazy... I am impressed with a lot of the high tech equipment & techniques, many of which I am not familiar with, such as the LCB. On the other hand, I did not find as much low tech as I presently want. However, I did find helpful data for solar hot water -- and perhaps will plan on a fancier system which would also supply more hot water during the winter than the current method -- which is basically black plastic pipe on the roof pumped thru the existing propane HW tank to keep it full. RE back issues: have you a descriptive index which could make possible selection of WHICH back issues are desired? Have you reprinted and bound back issues for sale? Or even considered doing so? I can see just from #17 that selection of material for reprint might require savage ruthlessness or perhaps ruthless savagery........ Now a new purpose in/for life: existing till the arrival of the next issue. Thank you, thank you, thank you! You may publish any of this you like, w/name and address. I have more 25 cent stamps than friends, and am a medium fast typist... Best regards, Woody Mcpheeter, 3095 Galls Creek Rd, Gold HIll, OR 97525 ***Hello Woody, we're working on solar hot water articles, but we need input from readers to accomplish this in print. No one in the crew now has a solar hot water heating setup, but we are aware of several, notably the Copper Cricket from the Sage Advance folks in Eugene Oregon. Index of HP1 through HP11 is in issue #11. There is an index in this issue for HP12 through HP17. The back issues are disappearing fast. We are moving ahead with new info. If there is enough interest, we will collect the information in all back issues by subject and publish it as a book sans advertising. RP PV Rating Clarification Dear Richard and Home Power Readers: >From time to time Home Power articles mention that particular modules put out more than the manufacturer's rating. These statements may be confusing PV users and some clarification is needed. The power output of a module is determined by many variables including intensity of sunlight, atmospheric clarity, ambient temperature and wind. To measure a single parameter such as output current may lead to the conclusion that one manufacturer's product frequently exceeds it's rated output. The engineers at the Southwest Region Experiment Station have tested well over 300,000 PV modules in the last ten years as systems were tested all over the country and overseas. In FEW CASES have we found PV modules that have even met, let alone exceeded the manufacturer's rating, particularly when installed in systems. Why the difference between tests and Home Power reader experience? Modules are rated by POWER output at a specific set of standard conditions which are generally a cell temperature of 25¡ Celsius and an irradiance value of 1000 Watts per square meter. Unless these two parameters are measured and used to convert the actual measured power output back to standard conditions, a comparison of power output is not possible. For example, a commonly available PV module may be rated by the manufacturer at 48 Watts at 16.7 volts and 2.88 amps when the cell temperature is 25¡C and the irradiance is 1000 Watts per square meter. If the irradiance drops to 800 Watts per square meter at a 25¡C cell temperature, the maximum power output drops to about 38.4 Watts at about 16.5 volts and 2.33 amps. Without knowing how much sunshine we have, we cannot know what the module is supposed to produce. Although the module is rated at 25¡C cell temperature, most modules operate at cell temperatures in the 40-55¡C range. With a 50¡C cell temperature, the above module would be able to generate about 2.90 amps at 14.8 volts or about 43 Watts. Again, unless we can measure cell temperature, we really do not know how the module output compares with its rated value. It is not too meaningful to just measure current output without doing the same for voltage and then converting the resulting power back to standard conditions. Power output (the product of voltage and current) is generally directly related to irradiance. Current increases almost directly with increases in irradiance while voltage goes up at a much lower rate. Current increases as temperature increases, but voltage decreases at a faster rate, so power goes down as temperature increases. Each module has slightly different characteristics. When the module is installed in a system, we have power losses in the wire, diode, switches, and fuses or circuit breakers. If the system output is measured and module output calculated from that measurement, we must consider those losses which may be as high as 9% when average module soiling is included. In a system where modules are connected in series and parallel to achieve higher output, a mismatch factor comes into play that may reduce the power output another 5%. In stand-alone systems that charge batteries, most modules deliver somewhat less than their rated output. Using the example module above, the manufacturer's rating is 48 Watts at standard conditions. The module will operate ay 50¡C on a summer day which reduces the output at the module to only 43 Watts. If batteries are being charged at about 14.5 volts, the module can deliver only about 41 Watts. In an average system, mismatch and wiring losses may account for another 5% reducing the power rating per module at the PV disconnect switch to 39 Watts. When module output is being stated for an actual system, all of these factors must be considered. Sincerely, John Wiles, Project Manager, Southwest Technology Development Institute, Las Crues, NM ***Thanks John, We've been thinking that maybe the best way to rate modules is by current (Amperes) and accumulated current (Ampere-hours per day). The Wattage figures are skewed by voltage measurements (P=IE) that are constantly changing with battery state of charge, battery temperature, PV cell temperature, and system loading. PVs seem to behave, within broad limits, like constant current sources. The amount of current is tied to many factors, the foremost is solar insolation. Factoring voltage into the rating makes it vaguer and more nonspecific since voltage is nonlinear in both batteries and PV cells. I have no doubt that many of our readers have solar sites that often experience more solar insolation than the standard of 100 mW./cm.2. This accounts for much of the overspec measurements. Bottom line however is that these measurements are real and do represent power produced. During a clear cold (<20¡F.) winter day, with snow all around, we've measured a sustained (>2 hrs.) 33.8 Amperes into a battery (14+ VDC) from 8 modules rated at 2.89 Amperes each. Now, this is 1.3 Amps more per panel than spec (or 46% overspec). While this doesn't mean that these panels are any better than any others, it does mean we had much higher than normal insolation coupled with low temperatures. It all adds up to more power and that's what it's all about. RP XXXXXXXXXXXXXXto HOMEBREW Another Sewing Machine Fix Dear Folks, I've been meaning to write about sewing machines and was finally prompted by your article on converting a sewing machine to hand power in the June/July issue. I have a somewhat unusual treadle sewing machine - a hybrid of old and new technology. The machine is a Bernina #807 and the cast iron base is a Singer industrial treadle. To accomplish this union required only a hacksaw and a little nerve as I cut away part of the metal casing around the base of my $600 Swiss-built machine, exposing the drive wheel. I removed the drive belt that connected to the electric motor and made a leather drive belt to fit around the treadle wheel. The machine itself sits on a wood table that is bolted to the treadle base, with a hole cut off from an old standard machine. The first treadle base I had was a cast off from an old standard machine, The drive wheel on most of these machines is 12" diameter, which is OK for straight stitching but too slow for zigzag or pattern stitches. i later found the industrial base with a 16" diameter drive wheel. It was holding up a flower planter in someone's yard and was quite rusty. I stopped and talked to the man who had it and offered to swap my nice painted base for his rusty one. Needless to say, he must have thought I was a little nuts but agreed top my proposal. I came up with this combo long before I moved off the grid. I originally learned to sew on an old treadle when I was 6 years old, and as a professional seamstress I wanted to recapture that precise control over the needle action without giving up the pattern stitches of my modern machine. The only part of my machine that I would ever consider hooking up to 12V would be the built in light bulb. I've had the Bernina for 15 years, 12 of which were treadle powered. Anybody want a slightly used 110 vac sewing machine motor? Larisa Walk, Rt3 Box 163A, Winona, MN 55987 Noooo....Body Knows!! About a year ago I wrote a letter that was printed in "Home Power" asking for reader information from those who had "China Diesel" generators. There were about 6 responses besides those that appeared in "Home Power" magazine. Alas, the variety of the responses leaves one wondering what really is happening out there. The responses varied from one person who suggested that the smaller engines be used as anchors for rowboats, and the other extreme from another person who had nothing but praise. If any generality could be made, it may be that the 13hp or larger engines have a better track record. Personally I have a 13hp, 8000 watt unit, and have written a couple of letters to the "China Diesel" company asking for parts, and have never received a response. So, pay your money and take your choice. Mark Riener, Mount Shasta, CA A Good Book My husband and I just recently joined the ranks of PV'ers. There are a few of us here in southern Vermont and we circulate a subscription (1) of Home Power among us. I am writing to tell you of a GREAT new book that helped us tremendously when we were building our remote hove and choosing just the right PV system for our needs. We thought you would put something in your magazine about it, since you are dedicated to getting the word out about new products, etc. to your readers. The book is The Solar Electric Independent Home Book and is written by Fowler Solar Electric Inc. of Worthington, MA. The copyright date is 1989; I note that there is no ISBN or Library of Congress number. We purchased our book directly from Fowler Solar Electric, Inc. We bought our system from FSE and also bought the book at the same time, mainly because it was recommended that we do so and we did not know that much about the "technical end" of the PV system we were installing. Well, after reading The Solar Electric Independent Home Book, we were able to design our system and know that we were getting exactly what we needed to power our home. We were also able to cut down a great deal on our electrician costs, because we did a good part of the installation by ourselves. Now, we are enjoying our system and know what to do during those low sun months and can troubleshoot our own system. It is just a good feeling to know we are able to rely on ourselves for our own power and taking care of our PV system. We couldn't have been able to do this had we not found out about Fowler Solar Electric's book. In any event, since you are on the West Coast, you may not know about The Solar Electric Independent Home Book. If you want to order one, the cost is $15.95 and is available from: Fowler Solar Electric, Inc. 13 Bashan Hill Road Worthington, MA 01098 The phone number is 413-238-5974 and there is probably a shipping charge. Ours was mailed with our system, so I am not sure what the shipping cost would be. It would be nice if you included my letter in your next issue, or see for yourself by ordering the book! Ann Schuyler, Londonderry, VT A Recycled Paper Fund Here's my $ for a subscription plus a little for a "Recycled paper fund"! So it costs more... this mag is a bargain at twice the price. If this group of subscribers can't bear the cost, who can we expect to. Increase the demand and the cost will go down. We can't afford NOT to use recycled products. Jim Sluyter, Bear Lake, MI ****We are chasing the elusive recycled paper full time. We will move to it as soon as we can afford it. Right now it's running about four times the cost of what we're using (it comes in giant rolls for a web press as bigger than our house). The paper we use now is recyclable. How about it HP readers, if we went to recycled paper would help pay the cost increase? RP & KP A Nerd's Answer Fellow Travelers, I just received the latest issue today and I am almost through it already. I loved the article on education. The kids are the ones who are really going to need this knowledge. Unless I missed it in my first rush through, (I usually read each issue at least twice), the person who wrote the Nerd's was not identified. He raises a point that is annoying to many computer users though. I use one at work for large volume jobs and losing a page once in a while on large batch jobs is not a problem. I also have a setup at home and do most of my personal correspondence on it. Since most of this is one page at a time stuff, losing a full page each time I print a page is very wasteful. The printer I have now has solved the problem permanently but what I used to do was to save a couple of empty sheets of the heavy paper that blank labels come on and cut them up the middle between the tractor holes. When I printed a letter and ran the paper ahead to tear it off, I would simply attach the strips to the end of the paper still in the machine, overlapping the top by a few inches, with Scotch tape or the adhesive edge of Post-Its or whatever else was handy. After a few mishaps I learned to only tape the strips to the part of the paper that would be torn off with the tractor holes at the top corners of the page and the bottom corners of the strips so as not to damage the letter when removing the Scotch tape. This only takes a few seconds and then I would run the paper back into the printer where it would be ready for my next letter with no waste. Keep up the good work. Health and Happiness, Rev. Joseph Christie, New York, NY *****Thanks for the tip, Joesph. The author of that particular Nerd's Corner bit was Bob-O Schultze and I get credit for leaving his name out. RP Q&A on Battery Voltages Reading your fine magazine has brought a couple of ideas to my mind that I haven't seen discussed. We are in the process of building a house that will use PVs for electricity. We expect to use about 4 Kw per day. The house will be wired entirely for 110 vac, except possibly the Sunfrost refrigerator. We already have 28 @ M-51 ARCO panels (2.31 amps-17.3 VDC). It seems with these panels wired series parallel, a voltage controller and 18 NICAD cells (18 x 1.65 max. voltage=29.70 VDC) one could use a 24 VDC inverter and refrigerator or with the panels, no controller and 21 NICAD cells one could use a 32 VDC inverter, a 110 vac refrigerator and make maximum use of the high voltage panels. I would appreciate it if you could let me know about the practicability of these ideas. Or if we would be better off with the more common combinations. Thanks, Larry Thompson, Boonville, CA ***Hi Larry, the most popular nicad configuration for 24 Volt systems is twenty series cells. This increases the battery's utility under nightly loads because its voltage stays higher. A nicad cell is effectively discharged when its voltage reaches 1.1 VDC under discharge. Under charge rates as low as C/30, the nicad cell will reach voltages above 1.6 VDC when totally full. Rest voltage of a full cell, not under either charge or discharge, is about 1.35 VDC. Under the 21 cell scenario you mentioned, the discharge voltage would be too low at night to operate the 32 Volt inverter. My advice is to use 20 series cells, regulate the array at about 30 VDC and use a 24 Volt inverter. This allows inverter operation until the nicad battery is totally empty. The 18 cell scenario will have voltage too low to run the 24 Volt inverter when there is still about 25% of the power remaining in the battery. RP. Q&A Fluorescents In a recent HP data was shown to indicate that wiring a house for 120vac alone was more cost effective than 12VDC & 120 vac. Sounds good but I do not like the disposable style of 120vac electronic PL lamp/ballast combos. I love Janmars new line of PL conversion units....except they use XMFR type ballasts= Great Inefficiency. Their PL-5 unit consumes, by my measurements via a Fluke D800, 14 watts of ac power. This does not include inverter inefficiencies. By contrast, a PL-5 with Sunalex 12VDC electronic ballast consumes a meager 6 watts TOTAL (as its DC). The Janmar units are incredibly versatile with replacement lamps, interchangeable globes/reflectors etc. Standard transformer ballasts also hum on the inverter so that with their inefficiencies I feel they're out of the question. They do make a #213 series which converts a standard edison base to PL and includes the adaptor threads for their various line of globes --Great--just put in an in-line/external ballast with it & presto ! efficiency & practical good looks. But where (who) to get an equivalent to Sunalex's SXE 1001 that operates on 120vac? Use a DC ballast with step down XMFR & diodes to rectify? Still=hum! The Dulux/Philips line are nice & VERY efficient! Philips SL18R40 uses a 0.1 amp at 120vac Å12 watts & 800 lumens. The Dulux have no reflectors...(try 'em in a track light) & the smallest of any electronic ballasted 120vac compact fluorescent is a Dulux EL-7 (7 watt). So, I'm asking for HELP!!! Let's get the word out & find a supplier/manufacturer for an ecologically sensitive, non-throw away ballast, efficient electronic ballast, 120vac PL bulb fluorescent conversion unit!! In a recent comparison article on batteries it was mentioned that the life of lead acid batteries in a float configuration is 15 years (found it!! HP17, pg. 34). I set up my power system around 4 years before (now) it was actually put into deep cycle service. I used it all as set up...12VDC lighting/inverter etc., but being in a travel trailer where ac grid power was available I just used a battery charger and kept the cells floating (Å1 to 2% capacity cycling, max.). My question is-did I use 4 years of my service life then or not? Does the lifetime clock begin as soon as electrolyte is added to the cells, ie. at the manufacturing facility or dealer point? If so, should I stop babying my 4 L-16's and figure their life is 1/3 to 1/4 over already? (Even tho they were just put into service 1 month ago.) Can one get more than 10-15 years out of L-16's with VERY conscience use, or is there a point where the clock is ticking on their life anyway, so you might as well use them (cycle the batteries). OH, I've written Janmar about their HORRIBLY inefficient PL ballasts & asked about electronic equivalents. Also Sunalex, in hopes they make or will make such a unit. Thanks for all you do! I appreciate (in advance) the responses to my question, I realize you MUST be incredibly busy. I want to do my house & neighbor's house wiring in 120vac but really want to do it efficiently or will recommend dual voltage systems. It is often frustrating, but worth it being on the leading edge! Todd Cory, Mt Shasta, CA ****Hello Todd. On the lead-acid cell, yes, they begin some of their aging processes the instant electrolyte is added to the cell. The initial float type service you had them under is the least wearing type. The lifetimes given in HP are statistical averages. Your experiences will be different. I would estimate that you have lost very little life from the L-16s because you kept them under float charge. Our particular pack of L-16Ws has been in repeated deep cycle service for over 10 years. We figure that out of their original capacity of 700 Ampere-hours about 500 remains. The self- discharge rate has increased noticeably since they were new. But they aren't dead yet and I'm still giving them the best of care (regular equalization), so we'll see just how long they do go. My advice on wiring is do it 120 vac and use an inverter. This offers simplicity and lower cost overall. The only negative point is the magnetic fields generated by the 120 vac. I suggest enclosing the inverter in a Faraday cage and using twisted pair wiring inside of metal conduit if this is a problem for you. We are working on information about magnetic fields in our systems and their possible health effects. More on this as soon as the info gets hard. RP Q&A Refers Dear Home Power, Here is my check for two years for first class delivery of a FIRST CLASS MAGAZINE. Keep up the good work as I have yet to find another magazine that even come close to yours. I just wish it was monthly. This question is for Bob McCormick (Homemade Low Voltage DC REfrigeration, HP16, P.48) or any one else that might know. Has a 12VDC Danfoss compressor & controls ever been installed into a window air-conditioner? If so, what size (BTU rate)? What was the current draw? If not, why not? Won't it work? It sure would be nice to cool the RV down when it is 115¡ outside. Thank You, Jim Miller, 4920 E Holly Apt 1, Phoenix, AZ 85008 Q&A NICADS Dear HP, I love your mag and right now am waiting for the next issue. I have a question about nicads for RV use. I live in a converted school bus and am worried about the higher voltage voltage of nicads. The big 145 amp alternator has a voltage adjust that might go up to 17 volts, but would that damage anything (start, gages, etc.)? Second, the power mostly goes to power my "car" stereo which is a 240 watt Carver Amp and tape deck. Would the higher voltage be safe for these? Thanx for your help as I would like to use nicads because of the endless batteries I have frozen because they weren't fully charged!! Rob Waghbourne, Crested Butte, CO ***OK Rob, simply leave your voltage regulator where it is. The nicads will refill at voltages as low as 1.35 VDC per cell (that's 13.5 Volts for a 10 cell, 12 Volt, pack) it just takes longer. Most vehicles using 12 Volt systems are regulated at between 13.8 and 15 VDC. This is just fine for a 10 series cell nicad pack. In fact, Lon Gillas's boss at Pacific West Supply converted his Mercedes diesel sedan from lead-acid to nicads after it ate three lead-acid batteries in a year. The nicad has been in place over eight months now, no mods to the voltage regulator and no problems. RP Q&A PV Panel Problem My site faces south and is relatively free of obstructions. My single solar panel is set at the proper angle for this latitude yet I can't get more than 500 mA. at noon. I suspect the panel but how do I test it? It's 34 watts and was manufactured in Maryland about 5 years ago. I can't remember the name of the maker. I would like to go to a larger array and more batteries. Right now I get 2 days use every three weeks and have to charge with my truck when I desire more. Also, is microwave a dirty word? I like mine at home and would like to add one at camp but can't find out if they will work off a simple inverter or would you need an inverter with a more sophisticated wave form? I'm talking a .86Kw microwave and a 100 watt inverter. If I go to a larger system will I also need regulation? Bill Walters, Butler, PA ****Here's the scoop, Bill. First check the panel for open circuit voltage. If you're charging a 12 Volt battery, then the panel must have an open circuit voltage of over 17 VDC. Maybe you've got a 9 or a 6 Volt panelÉ If the open circuit voltage is above 17 VDC and you still aren't getting any amps out (check the wiring, is it good?), then the panel is defective. Possible problems here are broken wiring within the panel or deceased cells. In order to run a microwave of any size, I recommend a 2,000 Watt inverter or larger. For example, we have an 860 Watt (that's 0.86 kW.) Goldstar model that performs well on our Heliotrope PSTT 2.3kW. inverter. In general, most microwaves will work well on inverters, the only problems reported are in a few electronic timers which go double-time demented on modified sine-wave power. Mechanical timers work fine. RP Comments and Questions Dear Home Power, Thank you for putting out such a much needed Magazine. I look forward to each issue. I have some questions and comments that I want to address to you. First, I can see that you are into your computers. I was wondering if you all knew of any bulletin board systems that are devoted to alternative energy? Second, I have some questions regarding surge protectors. I have been trying to use one ever since a short sent a spike to a tape player and severely damaged it. However, I have had some trouble getting one to last. Is there something about inverter power that these things just can not handle? My third question is about Ni-Cad batteries. Does any one recycle them They sound like a good alternative to lead-acid batteries, but if they are not readily recyclable, I can not consider using them. I would like to put in a word for low voltage homes. There is a move toward using an inverter to supply all of the electrical needs of an alternative energy home. There are some distinct advantages to this. Most notably, easier wiring. However there are some disadvantages as well. One is that low voltage is inherently safer. Another is that there is no electromagnetic radiation associated with DC current --this type of radiation might prove to be harmful. Furthermore, one must be totally dependent on his inverter. Although these units have grown quite reliable in recent years, there is bound to be a problem sooner or later. When that problem occurs, will there be someone around to fix it quick --there would not be around here. Thus, one could be without power for some time. This is what I have hoped to avoid using solar power. I also want to reply to Fred D †ensing's letter and S.K.'s response (HP16). I do not think we should discount the governments assistance with alternative energy's development. After all look what it has done for the development of other energy sources (note R. Perez's article of the same issue.) There has been some problems in the past with tax credits, but that does not mean we should not seek further government assistance. (I for one do not like the fact I support others electrical habits with out receiving any support for mine.) Solar energy, or computer technology -- including personal computer technology -- would not be where it is today without direct and indirect support. Note the space program which boosted computer and solar developments. Besides if we can get Uncle Sam into solar, maybe he will forget about nuclear. Thank You, Chip Upsal, Mt. View, MO ***Try Environet (the free Greenpeace BB) at 415-861-6503 (computers). Energy stuff is also available for pay on EcoNet (call 415-923-0900 for humans). On surge protectors: they often are unhappy with the mod-sine waveform of inverters. The SL Warber varieties work great on both Trace and Heliotrope inverters. Get one that is rated far in excess of the power you will use through it. This keeps the transorb filters, metal oxide varistors (MOVs) from freaking out. On nicads: Pacific West Supply will recycle, properly dispose of and/or recondition nicads. See their ad this issue. On EM from inverters: yep, it's there all right and it's also all over the grid. We're working on straight info along with the best research we can dig up on the health effects, ways to measure the EM fields at your location and what to do about it. Big job- we'll get it into print ASAP. On the gov't helping out: well, I think we should accept whatever help it supplies. Just let's not wait for them to do anything. Those of us already using renewables are so far ahead of what officialdom thinks is possible that they can't even see us on a clear day. If government wants to catch up quick, then I for one will do all I can to help them. As for waiting for them to fund a project or rule on the feasibility of a technology, forget it. By the time they do anything, we'll be flying around in PV powered heliocopters. RP  Chris Gupta mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 9 16:28:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15318; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352D561D.351B@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:13:33 -0400 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free-Energy Books References: <199804090422.AAA28417@romeo.its.uwo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pBlx2.0.6l3.ZbLBr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca wrote: > > Does anyone have any of these books? Are any of them really worth getting? > > http://idt.net/~cnfrmtn9/free.html > > I am looking for reproducible devices - not wishful thinking. Well you're looking at the wrong place, I've been had many times: 1) FREE ENERGY PROJECTS REPORT from Top Secret Publishing $30.00 US. All I got was a list of patents, boring articles and the encyclopedia of free energy. They said they had plans to build a lot of devices but the plans was in fact the encyclopedia which you can download for free at solaris site. DON'T buy this report. It's crap. should I say a fraud. 2) HIGH VOLTAGE AND FREE ENERGY DEVICE from John Snell $20.00 US. The book was supposed to be the greatest among all free energy books, but it's in fact crap, you get a few formulas and experiment "suggestions" not enough details, crapy diagrams. I feel it's not worth 20 bucks I paid, some will charge you even more. Of course it has a FEW good pointers but that's it. http://www.keelynet.com/febook.htm 3) PERMANENT MAGNET MOTORS: the book just shows copies of eight different patents and explains in a common language some details I had already figured out by myself, it doesn't contain valuable info. Anyone who went to the IBM patent server and analysed those patents could write a better book. >From H&A industries, they even publish weight loss books, I mean would you go at a chinees restaurant to buy a pizza ? The problem is that all those publisher just want to make money, they propose you a catalog of books and tell you that each of them is better that the rest. the publicity and book description are CATCHY and you have no idea what the book will be when you receive it. The books are broad, uncomplete, no details given, no plans, and they are all crap, unless you need to write another boring article about free energy. OH, ANOTHER THING: The service is just garbage: 1) for the FREE ENERGY PROJECTS REPORT, I had to beg to get the report. I sent Zenergy an Email telling them I waited long enough for the file and then they replied they haven't got my order yet but Reed said he will trust my order will come and sent me the file by Email. 2) HIGH VOLTAGE AND FREE ENERGY DEVICES: After waiting for three weeks John told me he had received my order but that the book maybe got lost in the mail ;) So I Email him every week to see if he was going to do anything about it and he finaly sent my book and SURPRISE, it came in 5 days after he sent it. This means he did not send the book in the first place and that he probably hoped to never hear form me again so to make a COLD TWENTY BUCKS. 3) PERMANENT MAGNET MOTORS: Boy was this a big gambling, it was a good thing I send them my order with a credit card number, it took nearly one month before I get my order, this may be normal for a mail order but it's long. MY ADVICE IS: first the DON'TS 1) beware of any book supplier that use SENSATIONAL PUBLICITY like: "Free Energy forever" "uses simple parts from your appliances" "get yourself off the grid" "the inventor was offered billions" ETC. 2) Beware of any book supplier that has a large catalog of devices then you get confused about which book to buy. 3) Beware of any publisher who also offer books that are not related to free energy, this means he just want to make money. 4) Always ask the supplier by Email more info about the books, if he doesn't respond don't buy, if he doesn't answer correctly don't buy. 5) BEWARE of any book supplier you can't contact by Email or Phone. now the do's 1) Search for specific books, i.e. books that only covers one subject, one device, one experiment. and then again it may still be crap e.g. the book JOSEPH NEWMAN'S ENERGY MACHINE is not a manual bout how to build the motor. 2) ask for more info about the books. 3) Negociate the prices, I think that $30.00 US $50.00 CAN in my case is just WAY TOOOO MUCH to pay for WHISHFUL THINKING, you can think by yourself for FREE. Hey, the books are just photocopies on 14"X17" papers stapled together, maybe it costs them 3 buck to make the books. I suggest that all of you look for CONVENTIONAL kits and books instead. they usually come with good service, garantee and have a lot of working, detailed, specific info. From then you can upgrade your device, kit... to a free energy kit, try your own experiments... A good place to start is this place http://www.amazing1.com To all of you in this list who have made a working device, experiment etc. even if it's not overunity. You may make a short report, about ten pages describing in exact detail how to reproduce it and then sell it as an Adobe Acrobat .pdf reader file so the cost of reproduction will be very low, then sell it on your page and only that report for no more than $5.00 US don't charge shipping fees just send it by Email or FTP, I am sure you will succeed and that your customers will be happy too. don't forget to make a complete web page describing your report, your successes with the deivce and give some clues, not just a few catchy phrases. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 9 20:02:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06602; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352D8A51.774C@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:56:17 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energeon@microtec.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free-Energy Books References: <199804090422.AAA28417@romeo.its.uwo.ca> <352D561D.351B@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"czs5n3.0.3d1.GlOBr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Patrick et al! With regard to the book 'HIGH VOLTAGE AND FREE ENERGY DEVICES' from John Snell $20.00 US. I am sure if you send Jon a letter with your concerns, he would gladly give you back your money. I found the book excellent...it has DETAILS (much like George Wisemans books) on how to build high voltage coils and experiments for the intense repulsive effect noted by EV Gray, it has DETAILS on the water arc experiments (pioneered by Peter Graneau and Richard Hull). My only reservation is the inclusion of 'free energy devices' in the title...but I've spent much more for a lot less DETAILS.. It never ceases to amaze me how people truly expect a working free energy device for 20 or 30 bucks....I hear it and have been suckered in many times...heck, all I want is a proof of the principle, not the whole thing to power your house (though that would be nice too). When they buy the info and aren't given the world on a silver platter, they become upset....well, DUH.... Anyway, I've learned over the years NOT to remotely COUNT on actually getting plans in this fashion that work...those some are interesting. The only way we'll see it is if it FREELY release, even with a shareware option, where you can PROVE it for yourself. The material in the Snell/Moonghie book I had not seen described or detailed anywhere else so in my opinion (and I've been at this for about 30 years with not one flipping bit of proof, STILL), the book is worth the price and worth keeping in MY library. I don't know if you've seen the video of the one cylinder lawnmower engine using this high voltage coil discharge method, but it is enough to run the engine. The video is from Creative Science labs....in it they show an improved version with four coils mounted on arms on a central axis....of course, they CLAIM it is overunity. Bottomline, I paid nearly $20 for the book and was very pleased with the content. As much as I was tempted to lift some of the construction details to HTML files, I have resisted out of respect for the authors and their providing of the info in the book form. So, if I could get this kind of detail in the majority of the money I spend on books and magazines, I'll gladly do it. Unfortunately, of all that I've bought, perhaps 3% to 20% of any book or magazine has useful information. Its just the way it is. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 10 04:01:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24983; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980410202735.007d34f0@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:27:35 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: Have added sveral new items to my website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ooxEH2.0.F66.blVBr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: Have added some items to my website that should contain something of interest to researchers on this newsgroup Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me. Like to hear from You From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 10 18:40:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14107; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:39:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:39:48 -0700 Message-ID: <352EC992.2495@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:38:26 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: What's going on? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lT7v73.0.KS3.YdiBr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I looked at my caller-ID box the other day and it said "United States Government". Not knowing what this was, I called the displayed #(being the curious person I am), and got the old"This number has been disconnected or is no longer in service." In the course of conversation I have found someone else who had this same problem. Q: Has anyone else had this problem? BILL P From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 10 23:30:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24524; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352F0C85.2104@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:24:05 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n2JoI3.0.4_5.xtmBr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! The following is a possible way to produce ball lighting using the toroidal air projector technique developed as the 'wind cannon' by the Germans during WWII. -------------------- > - Tesla - Anyone get Ball lightning working a la Courum paper? When I was a kid there was this toy that my brother and I had. Basically it was a large air gun with an opening on one end about 4 inches across. By pumping it up, it could be fired and would throw out a spinning vortex ball of air that would travel a good 30 to 40 feet. It would hit you and literally explode - harmlessly of course. I've always thought of trying to find one of these, put a water mister in the barrel and then a high voltage arc into the tube. Pump it up and see if one couldn't make a highly charged water vapor laden plasma ball. Or a form or ball lightning. My bet is that it would work. Feel free to pass the message on . I hate to say it, but it was close to 40 years ago. I have no idea about how many years they were produced. As I recall they were about 3' long and were all black. Looked sort of like a bazooka. It was lots of fun having that air ball explode in your face! --- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 10 23:36:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25443; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352F0DD5.C17@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:29:41 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning References: <352F0C85.2104@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lYAGJ3.0.RD6.JzmBr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4477 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! You know, it hit me, this is the toroidal 'wind cannon' developed by the Germans...take any cylinder, like one of those large plastic trash barrels, cut out one end so it is basically a large hollow cylinder, cover one end with a membrane with a hole in the middle, cover the over end with another membrane with a string attached to the middle. Pull the string to stretch the membrane out and suck in air into the plastic enclosed cylinder, then let go of it...when it pushes in very rapidly, a rotating vortex of high pressure air is ejected from the end. The harder you push it, the faster the doughnut ring of the toroid rotates on itself, the farther it will go and the harder it will hit.... The Germans claimed they could knock down a brick wall at 2 miles with their 'wind cannon'. I've seen it demonstrated with air, snuffing a candle at about 20 feet and flowing these very tight smoke rings that let you SEE the things being projected. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 11 00:23:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29254; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804110721.AAA26645@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:21:43 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ovyan.0.-87.kfnBr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4478 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It wasn't a _ball_ of air, it was a torus, just like a smoke ring. In fact by filling the chamber with smoke you could watch the smoke ring sail across the room. You can make a simple low power version quite easily. Cut a one-inch diameter round hole in the center of the bottom of an empty coffee can. Replace the plastic lid on the coffee can, then hit the lid sharply with the round side of a medium sized spoon. The vortex ring goes shooting out the hole, and you can use it to blow out a candle clear across the room. The old air blaster toy wasn't actually "pumped" up. A rubber diaphragm in the back was stretched backwards in kind of a sling-shot sort of action. Pulling the trigger let it spring forward producing the same effect as hitting the plastic coffee can lid with the spoon. You can also set off a VERY small explosion inside the can and generate a VERY powerful vortex ring. (Maybe 1 drop of gasoline, well shaken, and set off with a spark plug from a safe distance away?) I've heard of an idea to use such a device, large of course, to punch hole in clouds and break up tornados and thunderstorms. --Gary. > From: Jerry W. Decker > To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz > Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning > Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 11:24 PM > > Hi Folks! > > The following is a possible way to produce ball lighting using the > toroidal air projector technique developed as the 'wind cannon' by the > Germans during WWII. > -------------------- > > - Tesla - Anyone get Ball lightning working a la Courum paper? > > When I was a kid there was this toy that my brother and I had. Basically > it was a large air gun with an opening on one end about 4 inches across. > By pumping it up, it could be fired and would throw out a spinning > vortex ball of air that would travel a good 30 to 40 feet. It would hit > you and literally explode - harmlessly of course. I've always thought of > trying to find one of these, put a water mister in the barrel and then a > high voltage arc into the tube. > > Pump it up and see if one couldn't make a highly charged water vapor > laden plasma ball. Or a form or ball lightning. My bet is that > it would work. > > Feel free to pass the message on . I hate to say it, but it was close to > 40 years ago. I have no idea about how many years they were produced. As > I recall they were about 3' long and were all black. Looked sort of like > a bazooka. It was lots of fun having that air ball explode in your face! > --- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 11 00:35:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25866; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:34:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:34:55 -0700 Message-ID: <352F1BEA.5FFE@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 02:29:46 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Shannon CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning References: <199804110721.AAA26645@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YpGKC2.0.3K6.TqnBr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4479 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Gary! You wrote; > The old air blaster toy wasn't actually "pumped" up. You know, the trick is to have an incredibly strong air pulse dumped through this hole at high velocity, maybe a steel disc with a large hole in it, like the barrel of a gun, but with a plate on the end having the hole. Better yet, this could be the next non-lethal weapon, knocking holes through boards, heck, it would make a neat weapon...just push or throw someone or something to the ground with user selectable degrees of force....of course, nowadays with guns everywhere, we also need the Hurwitch 'center of gravity' distorter so the guns can fire at you. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 11 10:20:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27948; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:20:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:20:21 -0700 From: PRobb26666 Message-ID: <5fb484ee.352fa62a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:19:37 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Physics Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"MSfKc3.0.bq6.KPwBr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4480 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Can someone answere this physics question for me? I think my physics teacher, who is probably an engineer, is making it more difficult than it should be. "The distance to a planet is 1.00 ly. How long does it take for a spaceship to reach the planet according to an inertial observer on the planet, relative to which the speed of the spaceship is 0.800c?" Thanks, Patrick Robbins Probb26666@usa.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 11 15:11:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11216; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804112208.PAA22485@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Physics Question Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:08:16 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kKUe53.0.9l2.yf-Br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4481 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If the observers sees the velocity as 0.8c and the observer sees the distance as 1ly, then the observer's measurements are the only ones that matter, and relativity doesn't even figure into to it. (Or rather, all the terms cancel each other out) and the answer is simply (1/0.8) years = 1.25 years. If you asked for the spaceship PILOT's point fo view that would be different. His clock would measure 1.25 years*sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2)) = 0.75 years. --Gary. ---------- > From: PRobb26666 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Physics Question > Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 10:19 AM > > Can someone answere this physics question for me? I think my physics teacher, > who is probably an engineer, is making it more difficult than it should be. > > "The distance to a planet is 1.00 ly. How long does it take for a spaceship > to reach the planet according to an inertial observer on the planet, relative > to which the speed of the spaceship is 0.800c?" > > Thanks, > > Patrick Robbins > Probb26666@usa.net > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 11 17:15:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06237; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:55:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980412070452.2ae7996e@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: Free-Energy Books Resent-Message-ID: <"DHsnq2.0.IX1.aU0Cr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris, They sound pretty interesting, and they have a 30 day money back guarantee. How can you go wrong? Bob At 12:22 AM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have any of these books? Are any of them really worth getting? > > > > >http://idt.net/~cnfrmtn9/free.html > > >I am looking for reproducible devices - not wishful thinking. > >Thanks > >Chris Gupta >Chris Gupta >mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 12 15:43:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14602; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: SHESUZ 22 Message-ID: <740e2476.353142ac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:39:38 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A Vortex in a Bottle, a very simple experiment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"9V7GQ3.0.-Z3.7DKCr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com please explain experiment, and others if you have. thanks, ss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 12 19:28:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19803; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <6396f630.353177ac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:25:46 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: International phone calls over internet (need info) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"e6KuW.0.Dr4.zWNCr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4484 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I am talking on a regular basis to people over seas about an o/u project I'm working on. I have heard that you can use long distance companies that go thru the internet and the rates are very low. The sound quality is very good from what I have been told. Does any one know of a company like this that is state side? Thanks, Butch Note: This is not the internet phones like Vocaltec, ect., but is over your home phone and does not use your computer in any way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 12 21:35:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21661; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:34:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:34:55 -0700 From: SHESUZ 22 Message-ID: <69be8631.353195c2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:34:06 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OT} Magnetophosphenes? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"tMkUu3.0.MI5.jNPCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4485 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com what's the latest on your cranial electronic research.? regular leds? what have you heard back on larger scale tests? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 13 05:35:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09607; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:35:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01bd66d8$64d9b400$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: Physics Question Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:32:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"U2TCN.0.-L2._PWCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4486 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The ship takes 1.25 (0.8c / 1ly) years to reach the planet. The vision of the spaceship departure takes 1 year to reach the planet. Thus, to the observer on the planet it will only take 0.25 years for the ship to arrive David Callaghan -----Original Message----- From: PRobb26666 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday April 11 1998 06:25 Subject: Physics Question >Can someone answere this physics question for me? I think my physics teacher, >who is probably an engineer, is making it more difficult than it should be. > >"The distance to a planet is 1.00 ly. How long does it take for a spaceship >to reach the planet according to an inertial observer on the planet, relative >to which the speed of the spaceship is 0.800c?" > >Thanks, > >Patrick Robbins >Probb26666@usa.net > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 13 20:02:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08299; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:01:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:01:37 -0700 From: PRobb26666 Message-ID: <8de219c6.3532d160@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:00:45 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Physics Question again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"cXdiU2.0.S12.F6jCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4487 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks for the help so far. My teacher didn't write the question, it is taken from our text book. I came up with 1.25 years too, but the book says it is 2.08 years. I know how they came up with that number, I just don't think it is right. I have another question: "A spaceship travels with a speed of c/3 relative to another inertial observer. What time change does a clock on board the spaceship show in 1.00 hour of elapsed time according to this other observer?" The book says 1.06 hours and I came up with .94 hours. It seems to me that even if I'm wrong the clock on the ship should still measure less time than the observer. Thanks, Patrick Robbins Probb26666@usa.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 13 22:12:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA31339; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:10:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:10:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199804140510.WAA08923@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Physics Question again Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:10:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tAOJ31.0.Rf7.s-kCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4488 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com One easy way to solve problems like this is using simple plain geometry. Imagine that the clock consists of two mirrors facing each other at a distance of 1 light-second. A photon bounces back and forth between them hitting one mirror then the other every second. Now just draw a diagram of the two mirrors moving parallel to the motion of the spaceship and figure out what path the photon has to take to reach the other mirror (which has moved a distance of V meters if V is measured in meters per second) one second later. This will be the hypotenuese of a right traingle. Knowing that the photon will still appear to ANY observer to be travelling at the speed of light, how much farther does it have to travel for the stationary observer? This tells you how much slower this photon clock appears to be moving relative to that observer. The textbook is wrong. The photon has to cover more distance so the photon clock appears to tick more slowly for the stationary observer. --Gary. ---------- > From: PRobb26666 > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Physics Question again > Date: Monday, April 13, 1998 8:00 PM > > Thanks for the help so far. My teacher didn't write the question, it is taken > from our text book. I came up with 1.25 years too, but the book says it is > 2.08 years. I know how they came up with that number, I just don't think it > is right. > > I have another question: > > "A spaceship travels with a speed of c/3 relative to another inertial > observer. What time change does a clock on board the spaceship show in 1.00 > hour of elapsed time according to this other observer?" > > The book says 1.06 hours and I came up with .94 hours. It seems to me that > even if I'm wrong the clock on the ship should still measure less time than > the observer. > > Thanks, > > Patrick Robbins > Probb26666@usa.net > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 13 23:25:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08283; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:23:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "Jerry W. Decker" cc: Gary Shannon , freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning In-Reply-To: <352F1BEA.5FFE@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iCoUV.0.K12.z3mCr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4489 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Jerry W. Decker wrote: > Hi Gary! > > You wrote; > > The old air blaster toy wasn't actually "pumped" up. > > You know, the trick is to have an incredibly strong air pulse dumped > through this hole at high velocity, maybe a steel disc with a large hole > in it, like the barrel of a gun, but with a plate on the end having the > hole. Then there's the fiendish, computer-driven NO SMOKING device on my "Evil Genius hoaxes" page. Woofer loudspeaker is the diaphragm, IR camera finds the distant cigarette, acetylene or hydrogen is the "smoke" launched from the chamber... ;) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 01:06:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17336; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35331753.6E58@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:59:15 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Beaty CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CkGe71.0.lE4.yYnCr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4490 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill! I love that no smoking thing!!! Kind of like the Star Trek smoke/fire detector that uses IR to detect and trigger extinguishers....but this air gun thing would just blow out the fire before it got anything lit... Now for a way to kill BOOMBOX car stereos....I know it needs feedback, probably a 200 watt bi-linear keyed when next to the offending vehicle....but like the radar killer, just kill the sensitive diodes in the front end detector of the radar and it is BLIND..... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 10:34:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21934; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:34:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:34:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19980414173529.25536.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Magnetocaloric Effect and Gadolinium To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4uC5V1.0.bM5.euvCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4491 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, New idea occurred to me while reading the latest [May 98] Scientific American. It's also online - see: http://www.scientificamerican.com/1998/0598issue/0598techbus5.html [it has a couple typos -- iron has a Curie closer to 770deg C] There is brief blurb about a new type of refridgerator that uses very strong magnetic fields [superconducting magnets] and the magnetocaloric effect as a heat exchanger. This idea by itself is somewhat interesting....but the coolest part [no pun intended] is that it uses Gadolinium for the magnetocaloric effect. I will assume that everyone else is just as ignorant as I am about magnetocaloric effect and properties of Gadolinium. If not....then ignore the following discussion..... 1 - Magnetocaloric Effect: magnetic fields applied to a ferromagnetic material will increase the temperature of the ferromagnetic material. 2 - Gadolinium: Ferromagnetic material [element] that has two very important properties..... - out of all the other ferromagnetic materials, it exibits the strongest magnetocaloric effect. - it's curie temperature is about room temperature [20deg C/68deg F] Now -- I have a few questions. - Can a static magnetic field [read - strong permananet magnet] applied to the ferromagnetic material induce a magnetocaloric effect...or does it need to be pulsed? - Any ideas on how strong a magnetic field needs to be applied to see the magnetocaloric effect? Is there a formula -- #degrees incease relative to applied field? Also have some prelim ideas..... - Perhaps a magnetic motor could utilize the magnetocaloric effect and Gadolinium's low Curie point...imagine a curved array of strong magnets as a stator, with Gadolinium nodes on the rotor.....as the rotor node passes thru the array, it heats up to the Curie point. This allows the rotor node to pass thru the strongest part of the array field and into a regauging area. It cools slightly in the reguage area, and then enters the magnetic array again. This would be an extremely temperamental system, but might work in my basement? Ahhhh......I just love free-associating! All for now, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 11:18:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29831; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:18:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:18:18 -0700 Message-ID: <19980414181358.1676.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: More tests of Gary Shannon's Magnet Combos To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"YKrV9.0.xH7.eXwCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4492 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, Been playing with some of the magnet combos that Gary Shannon discussed a while back. Thought I would post some of my findings. Here's the magnet configuration I've been playing with: Basically one stack of three RS magnets in same orientation next to two stacks of 4 RS magnets in same orientation with opposing magnets capping off both stacks of 4. I have been testing with a nail attached to a piece of thread [ferrite] and dragging it across the top of the array. Pictures work better than words....see ASCII art below: <---------ferrite path------- ___ ___ | S | S | |___|___| | N | N | |___|___|__ | N | N | N | |___|___|___| | N | N | N | |___|___|___| | N | N | N | |___|___|___| 3 2 1 What you end up with is a strong field to the right of stack 1 extending to the left edge of stack 1, and null areas over stacks 2 and 3. the area between stacks 1 and 2 has a very weak field. Also seems that stack 1 attracts the nail to the leftmost side of stack 1...instead of to the center of stack 1. After playing with the suspended nail for a while, I think the configuration has some possibilities. Real easy to setup and play with.....give it a try. Try it with only stack 1 first, then add stack 2, and finally add stack 3. My thinking with the 3rd stack is that it increases the 'null' area, and gives more room for a 'clean' exit. The best results seems to be if the path of the ferrite 3 is curved upwards before the left-most edge of stack 3. I'll be posting some Quickfield stuff later today that shows how the field is distributed. I'm not sure if it is correct.....the nail reacts slightly differently than what Quickfield shows....probably depends on proximity of ferrite to array. Later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 11:54:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04403; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:53:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:53:50 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:54:48 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: Physics Question: with Acceleration Resent-Message-ID: <"J1cLI.0.h41.x2xCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4493 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Can someone answere this physics question for me? I think my physics teacher, >who is probably an engineer, is making it more difficult than it should be. > >"The distance to a planet is 1.00 ly. How long does it take for a spaceship >to reach the planet according to an inertial observer on the planet, relative >to which the speed of the spaceship is 0.800c?" > >Thanks, > >Patrick Robbins >Probb26666@usa.net Einstein's equations do not include the effects of acceleration. They deal with only constant velocities and interial reference frames. The entire theory is based upon a constant speed of light (which has shown to be invalid) and by the fact that an observer can only detect things by using light (also invalid), where the light takes longer to travel to a mirror in the direction of the constant velocity. Traveling in space requires an acceleration to build up to the velocity, and then a deceleration to stop at where you went. None of these accelerating frames of reference are included anywhere in those relativistic equations. Einstein got most of his material from Maxwell's patents, and Einstein himself stated that after other people put his original ideas in math form that he himself did not understand them (http://www.padrak.com/ine/FABFACTS.html). Those that think that these equations can be applied to real life problems are probably the same people that think that whatever they read in Time Magazine or see on TV must be true, and that the Federal Reserve Bank is controlled and operated by the US Federal Government. When the student is ready, the teacher will come. PB. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 12:02:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29435; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3533B133.26576FA6@harti.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:55:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com Subject: Re: More tests of Gary Shannon's Magnet Combos References: <19980414181358.1676.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------81A1906EED8ACE52E0E6655B" Resent-Message-ID: <"x3_Uz2.0.nB7.zAxCr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4494 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------81A1906EED8ACE52E0E6655B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anton Rager wrote: > Hello All, > > Been playing with some of the magnet combos that Gary Shannon > discussed a while back. Thought I would post some of my findings. > > Here's the magnet configuration I've been playing with: Basically one > stack of three RS magnets in same orientation next to two stacks of 4 > RS magnets in same orientation with opposing magnets capping off both > stacks of 4. I have been testing with a nail attached to a piece of > thread [ferrite] and dragging it across the top of the array. > Pictures work better than words....see ASCII art below: > > <---------ferrite path------- > > ___ ___ > | S | S | > |___|___| > | N | N | > |___|___|__ > | N | N | N | > |___|___|___| > | N | N | N | > |___|___|___| > | N | N | N | > |___|___|___| > 3 2 1 > > Hi Anton,looks very good. Did you also try it with a permanent magnet swinging on the thread or just only with a nail ? How does a single permanent magnet react to this 3 stack unit ? A friend of mine is trying to build also a permanent magnet motor according to Garry Shannon4s idea, but he is pretty slow in setting it up, cause he also as me has not much time to build something in this moment. But he also confirms, that the Push-Pull magnet effect from Garry Shannon is the best and most powerful permanent magnet effect he has seen so far for trying a permanent magnet motor. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------81A1906EED8ACE52E0E6655B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Anton Rager wrote:

Hello All,

Been playing with some of the magnet combos that Gary Shannon
discussed a while back.  Thought I would post some of my findings.

Here's the magnet configuration I've been playing with: Basically one
stack of three RS magnets in same orientation next to two stacks of 4
RS magnets in same orientation with opposing magnets capping off both
stacks of 4.  I have been testing with a nail attached to a piece of
thread [ferrite] and dragging it across the top of the array.
Pictures work better than words....see ASCII art below:

<---------ferrite path-------

      ___ ___
     | S | S |
     |___|___|
     | N | N |
     |___|___|__
     | N | N | N |
     |___|___|___|
     | N | N | N |
     |___|___|___|
     | N | N | N |
     |___|___|___|
       3   2   1
 
 

Hi Anton,looks very good.
Did you also try it with a permanent magnet swinging on the
thread or just only  with a nail ?

How does a single permanent magnet react to this 3 stack unit ?

A friend of mine is trying to build also a permanent magnet motor
according to Garry Shannon´s idea, but he is pretty slow in setting it up,
cause he also as me has not much time to build something in this moment.

But he also confirms, that the Push-Pull magnet effect from Garry Shannon
is the best and most powerful permanent magnet effect he has seen so far
for trying a permanent magnet motor.
 

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  --------------81A1906EED8ACE52E0E6655B-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 12:06:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00527; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3533B1D2.4BDCE9B5@harti.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:58:26 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Magnetocaloric Effect and Gadolinium References: <19980414173529.25536.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A3DD120E2276903F3A4C5718" Resent-Message-ID: <"y-rpX2.0.28.iExCr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4495 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------A3DD120E2276903F3A4C5718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anton Rager wrote: > Hello All, > > New idea occurred to me while reading the latest [May 98] Scientific > American. > > It's also online - see: > http://www.scientificamerican.com/1998/0598issue/0598techbus5.html > [it has a couple typos -- iron has a Curie closer to 770deg C] > Sounds also very interesting ! Do you know, how expensive this gadolinium material is ? Is it easy to get ? Do you only get it as a powder or do you get it in metal pieces ? Please let me know. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------A3DD120E2276903F3A4C5718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Anton Rager wrote:

Hello All,

New idea occurred to me while reading the latest [May 98] Scientific
American.

It's also online - see:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/1998/0598issue/0598techbus5.html
[it has a couple typos -- iron has a Curie closer to 770deg C]
 

Sounds also very interesting !

Do you know, how expensive this gadolinium material is ?

Is it easy to get ?
Do you only get it as a powder or do you get it in metal pieces ?

Please let me know.
Thanks !


Regards, Stefan.

 

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  --------------A3DD120E2276903F3A4C5718-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 13:19:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22823; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:18:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:18:36 -0700 Message-ID: <19980414201808.12072.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: More tests of Gary Shannon's Magnet Combos To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: harti@harti.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"dB5zu1.0.Va5.RIyCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4496 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello, ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Did you also try it with a permanent magnet swinging on the > thread or just only with a nail ? > > How does a single permanent magnet react to this 3 stack unit ? > Haven't tried a magnet with the 3 stack setup, but with two stacks it has a somewhat similar effect as a nail [with my fingers....no string test] Problem with a magnet on a string is that it keeps trying to change it's alignment.....esp with the push-pull config. A nail seems much easier to work with, as it is drawn to the stronger field....regardless of polarity....much simpler. > A friend of mine is trying to build also a permanent magnet motor > according to Garry Shannon4s idea, but he is pretty slow in setting it > up, > cause he also as me has not much time to build something in this moment. > I've tried one attempt using magnets as rotors and a dual stack config [1 push-pull stack, one smaller normal stack], but not really getting good results yet. I think a ferrite rotor and the three stack stator should work better. > But he also confirms, that the Push-Pull magnet effect from Garry Shannon > > is the best and most powerful permanent magnet effect he has seen so far > for trying a permanent magnet motor. > I agree. Regards, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 13:36:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25861; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:36:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:36:31 -0700 Message-ID: <19980414203521.14836.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Magnetocaloric Effect and Gadolinium To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: harti@harti.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"cADhX.0.zJ6.EZyCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4497 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Sounds also very interesting ! > > Do you know, how expensive this gadolinium material is ? > > Is it easy to get ? > Do you only get it as a powder or do you get it in metal pieces ? see: http://www.stanfordmaterials.com/gd.html looks like it's about $150/kg in a 5kg lot. I think it's bar of it. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 13:50:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27270; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:49:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:49:54 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:50:23 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Dissident Physics and the Fraud of Special Relativity Cc: PRobb26666@aol.com, reboot@rio.com, DCallaghan@CallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk Resent-Message-ID: <"EF8t23.0.wf6.mlyCr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4498 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:07:00 +1200 From: "M.Twain" Organization: League of the Last Days MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Global Subject: Superluminal Robert L. Carroll X-Rcpt-To: ine@padrak.com RLC is (was) one of hundreds in the global dissident physics community that have spoken to and discarded the fraud of special relativity. We shared our works and thoughts for five years, before his 'final' retirement. I met him at the Dissident Physics conference at San Francisco State University, in June of 1994. He has been featured in Electric Spacecraft Journal [muse/esj.html], which I highly recommend. He was unique in that he thought out and discussed the logistics of superluminal (interstellar) space transportation -- and identified many of its aspects. He was ridiculed by the establishment, as exampled by NASA's wannabee conference last year on superluminal physics theory. That institutional (covert physics) gathering deliberately excluded theoretical superluminal physics and it's four known pioneers: myself, Carroll, Alexis Guy Obolensky (New York), and Thomas G. Barnes of Texas. [I don't claim that there may be no others, obscured in some corner of the world, who have seen through to the foundations of superluminal nature. They simply have not been brought into the light yet.] You can get a Web overview of Carroll's work at [muse/carroll.html] at either of the two World AntiPhysics Mirrors: [http://www.ptw.com/~deagle/muse] [http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~malovic/muse] Also, Barnes and Obolensky too, are clickable [muse/barnes.html, muse/obolensky.html] at either of those sites. Full references (books and papers) are listed at both sites, and can be made available by me [see RAPRs below]. RLC references are also available from Mark Goldes at Magnetic Power, California [try mjs@ap.net]. Barne's books are distributed by CRS books, and (as of last year) by the aging Barnes. Copies (some loaners) of all Barnes' works also reside in my library. Obolensky's works are available through him or me. To get up to speed on the new (dissident) physics -- see the several hundred references I have posted on the four issues of the RAPR at: [http://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag94.html] [http://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag95.html] [http://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag96.html] [http://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag97.html] The superluminal foundation of nature is best revealed in the superluminal aether velocity structures of the proton. Once the aether and velocity foundations are understood, the observed phenomena -- superluminal quasars and jets, superluminally-expanding supernovae, superluminal tunnelling in the solid state, superluminal electromagnetic transmission and signalling in air and transmission lines, etc. -- are all painfully trivial to explain and quantify. My several papers (The Undiscovered Physics) on these foundations are available for cost of printing and postage, from my new residence in New Zealand. May you fare well on the (oft' superluminal) aether sea, Millennium Twain PO Box 21-972, Henderson, West Auckland, New Zealand From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 16:10:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23389; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:09:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD67D0.2D915680@pm3-147.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Magnetic charge experiments Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:07:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA23311 Resent-Message-ID: <"y2fA41.0.Ej5.wo-Cr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4499 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Sorry about the crosspost. I'm trying to get the biggest audience to respond. I will try to explain this setup as best as I can: A scientist named V.F. Mikhailov conducted an experiment to attempt to confirm the ideas of T.W. Barrett, who believes that light of a specific type can create EM phenomena of higher field symmetry than U(1) symmetry, and that such effects could interact with regular EM phenomena. He also proposed the possibility of creating a 'magnetic charge'. Mikhailov conducted an experiment where ferromagnetic aerosols behaved as if they had a magnetic charge, reversing motions when the magnetic fields in the experim ent were reversed. The ferromagnetic particles were suspended between two electromagnetic hemholtz coils, and were bathed with light of fixed polarization modulation. No effect on particle trajectories was noted. When the light was polarization modulated, the particles oscillated with respect to their motion in the magnetic field. Barrett responded to the experiment in a paper titled: "The Ehrenhoft-Mikhailov Effect Described as the Behavior of a Low Energy Density Magnetic Monopole-Instanton", Annales de la Foundation Louis de Broglie, 19, p. 291. If anyone can get this paper, let me know. Comments? Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 19:14:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31236; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:14:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:14:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199804150213.TAA11142@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: More tests of Gary Shannon's Magnet Combos Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:14:10 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ru-FP.0.yd7.gV1Dr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4500 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Using a non-magnetic nail sounds like an interesting approach. I hadn't thought of that, and my experiments with magnetic rotors hasn't produced anything interesting yet. I was about to give up on the whole idea, but it sounds like you may be onto something. Well, back to the drawing board. (Or the workbench, actually) --Gary ---------- > From: Anton Rager > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: harti@harti.com > Subject: Re: More tests of Gary Shannon's Magnet Combos > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 1:18 PM > > Hello, > > ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > Did you also try it with a permanent magnet swinging on the > > thread or just only with a nail ? > > > > How does a single permanent magnet react to this 3 stack unit ? > > > > > Haven't tried a magnet with the 3 stack setup, but with two stacks it > has a somewhat similar effect as a nail [with my fingers....no string > test] Problem with a magnet on a string is that it keeps trying to > change it's alignment.....esp with the push-pull config. A nail seems > much easier to work with, as it is drawn to the stronger > field....regardless of polarity....much simpler. > > > A friend of mine is trying to build also a permanent magnet motor > > according to Garry Shannon4s idea, but he is pretty slow in setting it > > up, > > cause he also as me has not much time to build something in this > moment. > > > > I've tried one attempt using magnets as rotors and a dual stack config > [1 push-pull stack, one smaller normal stack], but not really getting > good results yet. I think a ferrite rotor and the three stack stator > should work better. > > > But he also confirms, that the Push-Pull magnet effect from Garry > Shannon > > > > is the best and most powerful permanent magnet effect he has seen so > far > > for trying a permanent magnet motor. > > > > I agree. > > Regards, > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 19:16:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA32073; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:16:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:16:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3534180C.6712@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:14:36 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: More tests of Gary Shannon's Magnet Combos References: <19980414201808.12072.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0NcJs.0.zq7.uX1Dr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4501 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > A friend of mine is trying to build also a permanent magnet motor > > according to Garry Shannon4s idea What exactly was Gary Shannon's idea? I am fairly new on these lists. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 19:21:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01506; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:21:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:21:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3534189B.3AE5@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:16:59 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Searl Rotation, Sweet VTA, Negative electricity] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------57D06E936A44" Resent-Message-ID: <"nBGja1.0.KN.Vc1Dr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4502 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------57D06E936A44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnorts and Huzza! Thought you guys should read this that was posted on the Keelynet list......the searchable public archives for all KeelyNet-L discussions are posted at; http://www.escribe.com/science/keely if you might want to drop in occasionally to check out what is being said or going on.... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 --------------57D06E936A44 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from lists.kz (root.starfire.douglas.ma.us [207.180.91.8]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08804 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:53:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 7764 invoked by alias); 15 Apr 1998 01:05:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact KeelyNet-L-help@lists.kz; run by ezmlm Reply-To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Delivered-To: mailing list KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Received: (qmail 7755 invoked from network); 15 Apr 1998 01:05:29 -0000 Received: from endeavor.flash.net (209.30.0.40) by mail.starfire.douglas.ma.us with SMTP; 15 Apr 1998 01:05:29 -0000 Received: from dmdxojez (dasc34-183.flash.net [209.30.136.183]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29533; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:52:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <353403CA.228C@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:48:10 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: Tebearden@aol.com Subject: Re: Searl Rotation, Sweet VTA, Negative electricity References: <3533FC8E.7D0DE5E5@adeptit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Doug, TOM, et al! With regard to COLD CURRENT & NEGATIVE ELECTRICITY, that amazingly astute Doug Renner.......( dougr@adeptit.com ) wrote; > Now WHAT IF the Sweet VTA and the Searl Effect Generator PULL THE > ELECTRONS through the conductors? What if these devices "suck" the > electrons out of one end of a conductor at an electronic pressure > which is LOWER than would normally be found in the conductor at > rest? I'd be willing to bet that this "negative electricity" > actually travels down the center of the conductor - not at the > surface. That is one of the best explanations I have EVER seen regarding "WHAT IS NEGATIVE ELECTRICITY or 'COLD CURRENT'?" as used in Sweet VTA type devices. Got to send this one to Bearden!! This also correlates wonderfully with Schaubergers' IMPLOSION and the claim by Rory Johnson and Gerald Orlowski that magnetic energy ATTRACTS to itself, whereas electricity REPELS from itself; http://www.dnai.com/~zap/rory.htm Thanks Doug for sharing that!!! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 --------------57D06E936A44-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 19:38:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08521; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:38:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:38:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199804150238.TAA12724@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:38:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xVTI33.0.v42.hs1Dr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4503 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Now what would happen if a suitably shaped chamber were built and a huge electric discharge set off inside the chamber? Would the resulting overpressure cause a super-heated _plasma_ vortex ring to fly out the end of the chamber? Would such a plasma vortex burn through a target, or just get disipated upon collision? --Gary ---------- > From: Jerry W. Decker > To: Gary Shannon > Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; KeelyNet-L@lists.kz > Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning > Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 12:29 AM > > Hi Gary! > > You wrote; > > The old air blaster toy wasn't actually "pumped" up. > > You know, the trick is to have an incredibly strong air pulse dumped > through this hole at high velocity, maybe a steel disc with a large hole > in it, like the barrel of a gun, but with a plate on the end having the > hole. > > Better yet, this could be the next non-lethal weapon, knocking holes > through boards, heck, it would make a neat weapon...just push or throw > someone or something to the ground with user selectable degrees of > force....of course, nowadays with guns everywhere, we also need the > Hurwitch 'center of gravity' distorter so the guns can fire at you. > -- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 14 19:58:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20097; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35342167.3EF8@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:54:31 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning References: <199804150238.TAA12724@rio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3H4jP1.0.vv4.u82Dr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4504 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gary Shannon wrote: > > Now what would happen if a suitably shaped chamber were built and a huge > electric discharge set off inside the chamber? Would the resulting > overpressure cause a super-heated _plasma_ vortex ring to fly out the end > of the chamber? Would such a plasma vortex burn through a target, or just > get disipated upon collision? Gary, I actually thought of that very idea while I was at work today, and i think for it to make a large enough pulse, you should probably use really big electrodes to create the spark (or many smaller ones), to make a larger pressure gradient. What I really want to try is an idea which I got from Bill Beaty's posting about the Anti-Smoking vortex gun, using a 15-inch woofer, by storing up a capacitor and dumping it out the woofer, which, via some sort of oscillator hookup, would be set to vibrate and create a huge standing wave pattern much like the Sonic Refrigerator Compressor. BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 10:22:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12186; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:21:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: <19980415172241.141.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Quickfield views of Gary's Push-Pull To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Yw59_3.0.H-2.coEDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4505 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, As promised, here's a link to what Quickfield shows for the 'push-pull' configuration I described yesterday. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/push-pull.html All for now, Enjoy. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 10:58:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21074; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:57:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:57:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3534F306.DB1E7015@harti.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:48:54 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Quickfield views of Gary's Push-Pull References: <19980415172241.141.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zdzOI1.0.995.aKFDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4506 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton Rager wrote: > Hello All, > > As promised, here's a link to what Quickfield shows for the > 'push-pull' configuration I described yesterday. > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/push-pull.html > > All for now, Enjoy. > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com Hi Anton, looks interesting ! Can you also show an easier setup without he steel bars at the right side and only one configuration with a single stack ? How does this look in Quickfield ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 15:22:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18329; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:22:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:22:11 -0700 Message-ID: <19980415222132.21480.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: More Quickfied views of Push-Pull To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"zrqU31.0.gT4.BCJDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4507 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, I have uploaded some more Quickfield stuff to my WWW page. see: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9954/push-pull.html Here's what's there now: 1 - Quickfield of Gary's original push-pull magnet stack....without external magnet 2 - Quickfield view of Gary's original push-pull with several iron bars to right of array -- there's some bugs with this one....need to clean-up tonite. 3 - Quickfield view of modified design -- 1 push-pull + 1 normal stack.....with iron bars 4 - Quickfield view of another modified design -- 2 push-pull + 1 normal stack....with iron bars. One of the things I noticed between the designs, is that without the adjacent 'normal' stack, there is a sloped bump along the top of the push-pull array. Will try to animate some views to see if it is constant, or just due to where the iron bars happen to be. Another observation is that the entry vs exit force differential is greater with design #3 than design #4, but the null area is larger and weaker with design #3....I think. Will need some animations to clarify. Still lots more work to do.......very 'beta'. Feedback?? == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 16:56:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11294; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:56:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:56:30 -0700 Message-ID: <35352F75.1E8353C3@harti.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:06:45 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Cowlishaw" CC: JNaudin509 , "Timothy L. Schoonover" , Jeremy W Goodall , "A.H. Forge" , "Amanda J. Gilbert" , Britt Beaubian , Dann McCreary , "Dr. Jones" , Gabriel Ataya , James Kelly , Jim Bolstad , Jim Wilson , Joao Carlos de Andrade , Mike Haney , Phillip Surgison , Sam Smith , monteverde@worldnet.att.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New GIT movies uploaded ! References: <008f01bd68b7$2624ed20$7b6802c7@davidc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WEk3D1.0.Fm2.iaKDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4508 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I just uploaded 3 more movies to my http://www.overunity.com/movies/index.cgi directory. These are: gitani1.avi gitani2.avi githurl1.mpg These are all conversion of existing movies I found on the net, but converted to smaller file sizes, so you can better copy them to floppy disks and show them to other people. Especially the last one was converted down from 3.3 MB to now about 300 KB ! Enjoy ! Regards, Stefan. David E. Cowlishaw wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: JNaudin509 > To: someone@eskimo.com ; someonelse@worldnet.att.net > Cc: davidc@open.org ; another@harti.com> > Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 11:20 PM > Subject: Re : Re: A Vortex in a Bottle, (and a GIT test) > > >Hi Rick, > > > >On 08/04/1998 21:58:15 , someonelse@worldnet.att.net wrote : > > > >> On another subject, could you confirm that you have successfully built > >> and tested a 'J' ramp and hollow ball arrangement related to the > >> Gravitational Inertial Thruster, or "GIT"?>> > > > >Yes, I can confirm that I have build the J ramp as showed in David > >Cowlishaw web site. > >I have built three models: > >-the first one (V1.00) made with plywood. I have put antistrip rubbers on > >the J ramp and used hollow ball. > >-and two next models was made with a simple cardboard sheet (the v1.01 and > >the v1.02), the latest (the v1.02) demonstrate clearly the main effect > claimed > >by David Cowlishaw. In all cases, it is recommended to use an HOLLOW BALL. > > > >Today, I have updated my web site with all diagrams, pictures and videos > >about my GIT (linear version) experiment that I have conducted in June 97, > at: > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/git102.htm > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Jean-Louis Naudin > > ---------------------- > > Thanks Jean-Louis, I'll reprint this in my digest, keep up the good > work! The "linear version" of the motion test I did (and have speculated > possible "overunity" potential from) is certainly one to get people > confused! > > One of the biggest arguments against Inertial propulsion is that it > would enable "perpetual motion" a real no-no in current physical > understandings. The motor/generator analogy certainly needs to be looked > into, but for now, I'm sticking with the propulsion side of this "anomaly" > for safety's sake. > > I hope soon to have more information on the energy aspects either come > in, or I'll get around to it eventually, but having had over 15 > confirmations of the propulsion device, and only two reports on the > "overunity" aspect, my time is more safely spent on THIS "impossibility" > (inertial propulsion) rather than divide my efforts at this time. > > I've got the tracks cut, automotive funnels purchaced (better small > diameter rolling traction characteristics) a lot of lead powder from my > dressing of cast orbitals for a ring mass, all I'm lacking is the time and > guts to try it with the amplified working characteristics! > > Again, thanks for the forward, its certainly nice to know things are > happening and discussions are in progress! > > DavidC - 15 April 1998 - CC: Digest #49; IIC; three others also copied to. > ================= -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 19:39:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05898; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160235.VAA25247@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: "Ian Webb" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:37:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Magnetocaloric Effect and Gadolinium Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980414173529.25536.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"h8X4B2.0.0S1.LyMDr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4509 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There's another article about this at http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/3_28_98/fob3.htm > - Can a static magnetic field [read - strong permananet magnet] > applied to the ferromagnetic material induce a magnetocaloric > effect...or does it need to be pulsed? this article says "Weaker, permanent magnets don't provide as much cooling power," so i guess a permanent magnet would work.. > - Any ideas on how strong a magnetic field needs to be applied to see > the magnetocaloric effect? Is there a formula -- #degrees incease > relative to applied field? not sure, but i'd guess that you would robably see an effect at any strength of applied field, it's just that there would be a level below which it would be insignifigant.. someone who knows please correct me if i'm wrong here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 19:58:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31035; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:57:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:57:54 -0700 From: K easy Message-ID: <5edf2a80.35357389@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:57:12 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Magnetics problem/question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"ofCZV1.0.oa7.lENDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4510 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, Some time ago it occured to me it should be possible to change an object's weight in the earth's magnetic field. The idea was to use a horizontal coil of wire in the earth's field and pass a current through it. Only on one side of the coil you place high mu metal on each side of the wire to intensify the earth's field (the side where the resultant force on the wire is up) and on the other side of the coil you place a high mu metal around the wire so as to reduce the earth's field and result in a lower downward force. The result should be that when current flows through the coil the total weight is reduced. To make a long story short, it doesn't seem to work. The forces on each side of the coil are indeed different, so the weight of the coil is reduced, but the total weight of the shield plus wire is the same for each side of the coil as it was with no current through the coil. That is, the earth's field now interacts with the shielding metal. So much for that idea, BUT, it would seem to suggest a principle: if you shield a local source of magnetic field (wire or permanent magnet) from the field of a distant source, the total force on the local magnet and shield is the same as it would be on the local source alone. However, this is clearly not the case. If you take two magnets and hold them so there is a reasonable force between them and then place a "keeper" on one of the magnets the force is a lot different for the same position of the magnets. I don't understand why the results of the two experiments (I did both of these tests a couple times) do not seem to agree. Anyone have any suggestions? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 15 21:00:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15407; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:00:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980416065943.006bee64@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:59:43 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Free-Energy Books Resent-Message-ID: <"uq0Ma.0.bm3.a9ODr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4511 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:22 AM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have any of these books? Are any of them really worth getting? > > >I am looking for reproducible devices - not wishful thinking. > >Thanks > Hate to break your bubble but anything you read in a book dosn't work.If it did there would be many examples on the market. The good news is that there are good ideas in them and maybe they will lead you onto the path to discovery.Think of them as sources of information not do it yourself plans. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 01:01:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18220; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3535B9BF.3137@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:56:47 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Production & Ejection of Ball Lightning References: <2.2.32.19980416065752.0068be84@mail.wincom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kndJb1.0.RS4.4hRDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4512 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! Here is an interesting idea for a POWER VORTEX emitter; ---------------------------- Hi Jerry I was thinkin that the infamous potato canon with a small modification may make a dandy air blaster. Just add a washer to the front opening to reduce the size should form a nice toroid. Let's hear a little bit more about killing radar. I don't know why but I cant post to the free en. group. Please post this for me. Thanks - Woody ------------------------ Secret Planz..... http://norma.eyecon.com/disorder/spudgun.html Better plans http://colchester.auracom.com/leper/wide.html -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 04:45:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07301; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:44:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3535EE25.56CB@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:40:21 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: petkell@stc.net, rivas@theriver.com, Tebearden@aol.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Standind wave in a magnet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OS-8O3.0.un1.pyUDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4513 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Hex et al! You wrote; > if I understand Mr. Bearden's writings, the aether is analogous to > (and in fact was stated to be) the 'charge' field (or 'electric' > field of an electromagnetic wave). Now if 'electric' fields are > supposed to be ripples in the aether - then the question begs to > be asked: what the hell is magnetic flux, and what is IT'S > medium of propagation? What if magnetism is the inverse of electricity?? Consider the properties; Magnetic South Bloch Wall North push balance pull centripetal balance centrifugal CCW spin balance CW spin acid neutral alkali explosive neutral implosive repellent neutral attractive Electricity Positive neutral Negative push balance pull centripetal balance centrifugal CCW spin balance CW spin acid neutral alkali explosive neutral implosive repellent neutral attractive As Doug brought out with his remarkable idea that negative current or negative electricity might well be a 'sucking' force originating INSIDE the wire, NOT on the outside surface, could it be that electricity and magnetism are but dual aspects of the same energy? That this cold current would attract and attach itself to any similar force (magnetic??) to cause the extraction of sufficient energy that it would slow down the molecular/atomic motion to a point that ICE OR FROST APPEARED? And that ones' hand would suffer frostbite when being shocked by it because it sucked the magnetic force out of it by virtue of this attractive property? Note that the Kowsky/Frost experiment reported in the 1920s Radio Electronics, where they used dual opposed microwave antennas to stimulate a quartz block to a degree that it swelled up and floated in the air carrying a 1kg weight. They reported the entire room became very cold and the picture shows them wearing heavy overcoats while this expanded quartz cube is floating in the air in front of them. This magnetic attractive force, imparted into a mass aggregate could suck in any outside heat by slowing down molecular motion in the levitating mass. There is a spook report of Tesla building a sphere which levitated. He based it on anothers discovery that you could wrap a wire around a mass and cause weight increases or decreases. In the Tesla Sphere, he reports one half became COLD, the other became HOT, much like a REVERSE PELTIER JUNCTION!!! I do not recall which half was HOT, but I think it was the top half of the sphere. The point here is one half of the sphere might have been demonstrating pure magnetism, the other half of the sphere pure electricity and the equator of the sphere functioning like a Bloch Wall. I neglected to mention there was a wire around the middle of the sphere which produced the effect. What if that wire actually SPLIT these two different forces, separating them like a wedge. When that separation is produced, temperature and gravity phenomena appear. Since magnetic energy attracts itself as per the Rory Johson/Gerald Orlowski information and electricity REPELS itself, then the top half of the sphere, highly excited as pure electric force; would repel the aether/gravity/zpe flowing into the planet and into the sphere, causing it to lose weight. If the pure electric force is excessive (push), the sphere is lofted into space (Searl/Hamel glowing electrostatic plasmas), if the force is BALANCED TO THE AETHER inflow of the EARTH, the mass will float in the air, much like the desktop floating magnetic toys sold today, if the aether influx into the earth is GREATER than the repellent force (pull), the mass is again captured by the earths' aether influx. >From my limited comprehension of the universe, most things are dual in nature, up/down, N/S, CW/CCW, etc...so I can see how electricity and magnetism could be mirror opposites with similar but opposite properties. One final thought, an electromagnetic wave propgates literally by screwing itself through the medium and by ALTERNATING between electric and magnetic forces. I think the ELECTRIC PUSHES the magnetic, since electricity is explosive and so radiates more easily than the 'sticky' magnetic field. These 'wave packets' of magnetism are what does the work on arrival. Peter Kelly says that magnetism provides the cohesive force that holds matter together, while ELECTRICITY carries the information that determines the characteristics and properties of matter. By suppressing the magnetic field, you can 'reprogram the electric or information field as Peter calls it', then restore the magnetic field and the mass will 'transmute' to match the new electric/information field. Curiously, the infamous and wonderful genius Ken Shoulders found a way to 'cluster' electrons into grape-like clusters, despite their inherent repellent nature!!! Your comments are appreciated, correct, clarify or slap me down, won't be the first time...... --- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 05:14:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12776; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 05:14:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 05:14:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3535ED15.F5ADAA5F@harti.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:35:49 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Cowlishaw" CC: "Timothy L. Schoonover" , Jeremy W Goodall , "A.H. Forge" , "Amanda J. Gilbert" , Britt Beaubian , Dann McCreary , "Dr. Jones" , Gabriel Ataya , James Kelly , Jim Bolstad , Jim Wilson , Joao Carlos de Andrade , Mike Haney , Phillip Surgison , Sam Smith , monteverde@worldnet.att.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com Subject: Re: New GIT movies uploaded ! - COOL! Now about that codec...... DavidC References: <000601bd68ef$0d6d9600$4b6802c7@davidc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G1QCj1.0.R73.jOVDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4514 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com David E. Cowlishaw wrote: > Stefan; > > Thanks! I seem to have a dinosaur machine (and I bought it state of the > art the first of last year!), "a suitable decompressor could not be found" > for your avi posts. > > Could you tell me what compressor codec you are using, and if there is > perhaps a website where I could find it? I'm REALLY interested in the > gitani(x).avi films, not knowing their source, and the githeory.avi has me > champing at the bit! > It is just a normal Indeo 3.2 codec which ships with Windows 95, so I used this to convert your GIF-ANIMATIONS to AVI for easier viewing, cause one GIF was about 3.4 MB big ! > NICE reduction of James Hurl's land test (mpg format), what would it > take to afford your compression for one or more of our sites? It took only > a minute or two to download, rather than nearly a half hour! WOW! Yes, MPEG is now very common and can be played on every PC with installed Freeware ActiveMovie from Microsoft via Mediaplayer ! It is still better than my RealVideo conversion, cause RealVideo dropps sometimes a few frames and MPEG has all the frames in it, so you see a smoother ball rollaround motion and can better understand the principle of the device. BTW, I wonder, if magnetic fluids could be used to build a GIT ? I have a few ideas about this, but have to think more about it, how to change the fluid speed at various circle angles... Good luck for the project. Regards, Stefan. > >Hi all, > > > >I just uploaded 3 more movies to my > >http://www.overunity.com/movies/index.cgi > > > >directory. > > > >These are: > > > >gitani1.avi > >gitani2.avi > >githurl1.mpg > > > >These are all conversion of existing movies I found > >on the net, but converted to smaller file sizes, so you > >can better copy them to floppy disks and show them to other people. > > > >Especially the last one was converted down from 3.3 MB to now about 300 KB > ! -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 13:34:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14114; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980416203105.16168.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Focusing Sound Article? To: jdecker@keelynet.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"rD-T21.0.RS3.micDr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Arghhh....I hate it when I lose track of information! Couple days ago I came across a a reference somewhere that was an article about sound focusing....kinda like lasing sound. Article went on to say how this would be able to make stereos more realistic. I just don't remember where I found it could be paper or electronic.........I've backtracked to SciAm, NASA tech briefs, CNN, Vortex, Freenrg, Keelynet, Anti-G, bookmarks ....and still can't find it........ Anyone else see this and have it handy? == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 14:07:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02413; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:06:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: <35367220.76C8E8E6@harti.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:03:28 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , newman-list Subject: Good explanation I found describing Mewman motor, I agree ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZfJkk.0.cb.PBdDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ATTRACT-ATTRACT and the Joe Newman motor From: Doug Renner Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:30:28 -0500 Greetings, everyone! I'll offer you my explanation of the Joseph Newman overunity motor. I suspect its operation is far simpler than Newman would have you believe. I've not seen anything that convinces me that Newman himself truly fathoms the operation of his device, but it is really quite simple as we shall see: To the unfamiliar, Joseph Newman's overunity motor is similar in many ways to a conventional DC electric motor, i.e. it has a commutator, a field coil, permanent magnets, a shaft, and is powered by a battery. But there are several novel aspects of Newman's motor, as follows: His motor features a stationary field coil, with shaft-mounted permanent magnets as the rotor. The field coil is an air-core inductor. The field windings are an unusually large amount of wire, on the order of 55 or 90 miles of magnet wire in a typical configuration. The power supply is a very high voltage DC battery configuration, for example 1500 volts of lead-acid or zinc-carbon batteries in series. The rotating permanent magnets are usually quite large, reaching several hundred pounds in some configurations. His motor employs an unusual phase-angle between the commutator and the rotor's permanent magnet poles. He uses a special, partitioned commutator as a design enhancement, but this is not critical for an understanding of the operation. If an engineer were to design a conventional motor, he would probably not employ ANY of the above parameters, as they are far from optimal in motor design as we would normally know it. However, when all of these things are put together, a special thing can happen, as I will now describe: (Power is applied, and Newman gives the motor a manual push to give the massive permanent magnet rotor its initial motion.) The commutator directs battery power to the large air core field coil, and the magnetic field expands. This gives the permanent magnets a push, sustaining their rotation. The field completely expands, and the magnets continue to rotate under their stored angular momentum, approaching the point where the Permanent Magnets' field is perpendicular to the field from the coil. Here, the commutator disconnects the battery from the field coil, and the incredibly deep electromagnetic field collapses - yielding a MASSIVE KICKBACK spark, which is discharged back into the battery, in the polarity of recharge. However, the rotating magnets are still in motion and by now have swung into position well beyond perpendicular, and what happens is THE FIELD FROM THE COIL COLLAPSES EVEN FARTHER THAN IT HAD ORIGINALLY EXPANDED! This causes the recharging kickback spark to be LARGER THAN THE SUPPLY PULSE which was required to expand the field to begin with! This is possible because the field generated by the air-core inductor is so deep, that there is enough time for the permanent magnets to rotate into opposition while the field is still collapsing. (Now, who would have thought of that ? ) At this point, the commutator has turned 180 degrees, and the second half of the cycle executes in an identical manner, but of course with the poles reversed. So if you can imagine a device where the "action" and the "reaction" are in the same direction, that would be a good trick, woudn't it? It would be easy to extract energy from a field such as gravity or magnetism if we had such a device, right? That is precisely what is happening with respect to the permanent magnets in the Newman motor! The EM field expands to ATTRACT the permanent magnets in one direction, meanwhile the magnets rotate, then the EM field begins to collapse, but because of the new position of the rotor this collapse is now also in the ATTRACT direction with respect to the permanent magnets. We are only familiar with attract-repel processes, however this is an actual ATTRACT-ATTRACT process. One more time... The action & reaction are the expansion & subsequent collapse of the electromagnetic field. The motor is merely arranged in such a way that both this action & reaction happen in the same direction with respect to the magnet! Free energy from magnets The key design concept is that the air core field must be sufficiently intense, that its collapse will be slow enough for the permanent magnets to physically rotate into an opposing polar orientaton. I say there should be no reason why someone cannot engineer a much smaller, higher-RPM unit which functions just as well or better than anything Joe Newman has come up with. Newman's protypes, although more than 100% efficient, are nonetheless wasting vast amounts of energy with their crude bulky design and high-voltage operation, which results in lost voltage from arcing at the homemade commutator. But even with all these problems, his motor achieves overunity! Isn't that something? I wonder what could be achieved with a really good design? The "period" of the field just needs to be in tune with the rate of rotation, and the phase of the commutator needs to be appropriate for what is taking place. Newman's own commutators employ extra segments, so that the field is energized in steps, with spacers to reduce the arcing, but as I say, this is a refinement to his design after overunity was already achieved. I don't believe this would even be necessary for a lower voltage, higher-RPM unit. If the voltage were sufficiently lowered, one could further improve the design by adding rectifiers, which is a luxury Joe Newman can only dream of. I personally think he's still using high voltage because he doesn't understand the issue with the period of the air core field or the underlying "attract-attract" principle which makes the whole thing work. That's about it, and we didn't even need to invent any Physics to describe a working overunity device! :-)) Douglas B. Renner -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 16:35:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00680; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:34:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:34:51 -0700 Message-ID: <19980416233418.24598.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Some cool stuff off PM's site To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: jdecker@keelynet.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"3FMgI.0.VA.OMfDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here's some links I found while looking for an article that I lost track of. All of them are from PopularMechanics. Most powerful magnet ever -- 45 Tesla electromagnet/SC magnet. See: http://www.popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/tech/9803TUEEXM.html Buckbally Amplifier -- squeezing a buckball and applying 10mv produced 5fold gain in voltage....OU or just a good amp? See: http://www.popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/tech/9803TUNAPM.html HyperSonic Sound -- acoustic heterodyning techniques for sound production. Uses ultrasonic carrier and difference fequencies to produce audible resultants. Possibilty of much wider frequency response in audible range. Can also create very directional sound. See: http://www.popularmechanics.com/popmech/elect/9706EFSTP.html I think the Hypersonic sound link is similar to something else I read a few days ago....but I still can't figure out where I read it! Very cool though...... What do you think Jerry, ultrasonic frequencies to produce an audible resonant resultant...acoustic levitation from a distance? Keelyesque? Later, == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 17:21:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11305; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:21:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <35369F48.54EB@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:16:08 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Schnurer CC: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, Tebearden@aol.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Standind wave in a magnet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k1TZt2.0.Om2.v1gDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Clarification and apology if needed!! This was sent in concern about a tongue-in-cheek comment I made about Ken Shoulders; > I would never refer to Ken Shoulders as infamous, this is an > unkind thing. He is, in my opinion, unquestionably the 'father' > of the micro vacuum tube. Ken is a friend of mine and we have always had a good relationship...it was meant as a compliment and he will recognize it as such. When we get together at conferences, I ALWAYS make it a point to hang out with Ken when I can and take him to lunch or dinner AT LEAST ONCE so we can catch up....I think he is one of the most brilliant people I have ever had the honor to know.... You see, years ago, when he was separating from Church, he and his wife came to Dallas to meet me and I brought Dan Davidson. We had an extended discussion and he gave us a video of the charge cluster experiments. He was very frustrated with the lack of reception of his discovery and the actions taken by Church to try to take it over to bail out his bad business deals. Ken was hoping we might have some contacts with money people, which we openly admitted to not having. Over the years, we have kept in contact...he has a hilarious sense of humor and a very wry, some would say sardonic perspective on things....he's always ragging me that 'there ain't no such animal as free energy'....he is also very pessimistic with regard to any new claims which cannot be proven by experiment...as it should be.....he has influenced me over the years because I respect his work, his insights and his approach. I keep trying to get him on the Internet as do many others...he says no way, he wants nothing to do with anything that might infect his own computers. Prosaic but its' his computers. Anyway, unkind is not my intent in the least....Ken is one of the icons in my very limited pantheon of modern day researchers. So, I guess some might not realize that I have known Ken for many years now and use of the term infamous in conjunction with WONDERFUL expresses my awe and amazement of the guy... You would have loved his single-handed, totally original explanation of cold fusion at John Bockris' 'Low Level Energy Conference' in College Station....all this minutiae dragging on and on...just about everyone showing these electron microscopes images of craters which were all found to have very similar types of elements, TRANSMUTED from the pure base material, usually platinum. They call this 'dirt' as it was a side effect that causes the very contamination which kills the anomalous production of heat via 'cold fusion'. Ken showed nearly identical craters from his charge cluster explosions and the spectral analysis of the crater elements is nearly EXACTLY like all those seen with the cold fusion contaminant craters.... Ken was very low key about it and simply presented the facts showing the visual and spectral analysis evidence. One fell swoop and it was over. Do you think it made the conference?? Hardly, more like Ken became a pariah or so it appeared to me. Only John Bockris picked up on the importance of this revelation by Ken, I know because we talked about it afterward. So, I consider Ken a friend and one of the greatest living researchers. As everyone in alternative energy knows, his 80+ page patent was and IS a landmark because it states the use of ZPE as linked to the charge cluster phenomenon. I apologize to anyone who might have gotten the wrong idea from the comment, blasphemy or humor. This was meant as humor. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 16 21:21:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09460; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3536D819.1E41@bcpl.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:33 -0400 From: Drexler X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ASU Scientists Make Major Breakthrough With Photosynthetic Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jHAq.0.UJ2.KYjDr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4519 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Although not free-nrg this certainly falls into the category of alternative: http://www.sciencedaily.com/story.asp?filename=980416081539 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 17 04:45:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10312; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:45:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:45:14 -0700 Message-ID: <35375E3A.3181@inetnow.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:50:51 -0700 From: Randy Hargraves Reply-To: hargraves@inetnow.com Organization: Hargraves International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Focusing Sound Article? References: <19980416203105.16168.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3yxLE1.0.1X2.93qDr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4520 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Focusing sound / that sounds like something that wood be on the rife list keely net makes referrents to Royal Rife, or Rife Technology. Anton Rager wrote: > Couple days ago I came across a a reference somewhere that was an > article about sound focusing....kinda like lasing sound. Article went > on to say how this would be able to make stereos more realistic. I > just don't remember where I found it could be paper or > electronic.........I've backtracked to SciAm, NASA tech briefs, CNN, > Vortex, Freenrg, Keelynet, Anti-G, bookmarks ....and still can't find > it........ > > Anyone else see this and have it handy? > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 17 17:11:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10578; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:10:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD6A34.40105DE0@pm3-131.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Coil designs to try Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:08:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA10521 Resent-Message-ID: <"IGt5n2.0.4b2.9--Dr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings: Its been awhile since I posted anything on building something, so here's my core dump: 1. Has anyone tried a coil that is a flat disc of ferric material with grooves cut on the edge at 10 degree intervals, wire wrapped from one groove to the one 180 degrees from it, then to the one right next to the first, then 180 degrees from it, etc.? Wh at sort of B field or A field might something like this produce? 2. Gary Shannon-you mentioned coils of coiled wire...what about a coil of wire around a thin brass or steel shaft, that is bent into a spiral 'pancake' coil, with high current passed through the shaft, as well as the wire? 3. What might happen at the center of six square coils that are placed together with the north polarity outward (or south, whatever you like) in a cube formation? 4. What about a spherical (like a ball) coil? Or how about wrapping three coils on the same sphere, each one with N or S polarity at 90 degrees to the others? I intend to try these designs out time permitting. I'm posting this in case any of you would like to test something like these. BTW: I'm still working on the "GIT". I have completed the race, and will soon build the rotator, and add the orbitals. Also: My Wimshurst machine is generating HV, but I still haven't built the charge collectors to see sparks. (You can see the corona disc harge though). Many thanks to all who helped me out with it. Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 18 00:23:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27527; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804180721.AAA10511@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Coil designs to try Resent-Message-ID: <"oEK5a1.0.yj6.TJ5Er"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle and all, At 07:08 PM 4/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings: > >3. What might happen at the center of six square coils that are placed together with the north polarity outward (or south, whatever you like) in a cube formation? > Maybe almost no net magnetic field produced? Each of the 12 edges has 1/4 of 2 coils, with currents going in opposite directions. Like a bifilar coil with opposing currents, but 3 pairs 90 deg. apart for x,y,z. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 18 02:48:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06184; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353875DC.4092@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:43:56 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: caduceuos waveguide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RNs-z2.0.TW1.AR7Er"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com has anyone ever attempted winding a caduceuos coil with waveguide rather than ordinary wire? For some EHF experiments? BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 18 15:01:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12060; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35393F31.767C@inetnow.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:02:57 -0700 From: Randy Hargraves Reply-To: hargraves@inetnow.com Organization: Hargraves International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets References: <01BD6A34.40105DE0@pm3-131.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uAf_Q1.0.Iy2.e8IEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > 1. Has anyone tried a coil that is a flat disc of ferric material with grooves cut on the edge at 10 degree intervals, wire wrapped from one groove to the one 180 degrees from it, then to the one right next to the first, then 180 degrees from it, etc.? What sort of B field or A field might something like this produce? > I apprciated Your thoughts here. I to would like to see more experimentation using ferric wire. wow that seems to open up a new world, I have not done any thing in the way of coils. I am not good at hands on projects. However, I am good at going on mind trips, and have come up with something, that i think that most people, would think impossible, which your thoughts put me in mind of, as they are along similar lines. I figured out a way to not only make a ferric disk magnet with the north pole in the center of the disk and the out side rim the south pole. but to all so how to make a sphere with the whole exterior one pole while the the most center part of the core is the opposite pole. Does that sound impossible? Well, It's NOT!!!!!!! Randy E. Hargraves Oklahoma. 966 Castlebury Mansion Yukon, Oklahoma 73099 1-405-354-0033 hargraves@inetnow.com > 2. Gary Shannon-you mentioned coils of coiled wire...what about a coil of wire around a thin brass or steel shaft, that is bent into a spiral 'pancake' coil, with high current passed through the shaft, as well as the wire? > > 3. What might happen at the center of six square coils that are placed together with the north polarity outward (or south, whatever you like) in a cube formation? > > 4. What about a spherical (like a ball) coil? Or how about wrapping three coils on the same sphere, each one with N or S polarity at 90 degrees to the others? > > I intend to try these designs out time permitting. I'm posting this in case any of you would like to test something like these. > > BTW: I'm still working on the "GIT". I have completed the race, and will soon build the rotator, and add the orbitals. Also: My Wimshurst machine is generating HV, but I still haven't built the charge collectors to see sparks. (You can see the corona di scharge though). Many thanks to all who helped me out with it. > > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 18 16:47:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09828; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:47:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:47:19 -0700 Message-ID: <35393BB5.FC977C44@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:48:05 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "KeelyNet-L@lists.kz" Subject: Re: Coil designs to try References: <01BD6A34.40105DE0@pm3-131.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pS6z9.0.SP2.5kJEr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, one of my original time travel experiments involved 2 cone shaped coils, such as shown on JL Naudin's page, http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/emvtxgen.htm The idea was to create a bucking magnetic vortex between the coils, and then intersect 2 scalar beams from a cad coil in the vortex.. I have not done this experiment yet, so I don't know what will happen, if anything.. anyone know anything about this? ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 18 20:41:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07062; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980419063834.00693d2c@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:38:34 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"Nw8Db.0.Ek1.S9NEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 05:02 PM 4/18/98 -0700, you wrote: > >but to all so how to make a sphere with the whole exterior one pole >while the the most center part of the core is the opposite pole. > >Does that sound impossible? >Well, It's NOT!!!!!!! > Ok smart guy tell us how to do it. Thought experiments are great but there comes a time you have to prove your point with a real demonstration. Woody Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 02:38:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05068; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35393F31.767C@inetnow.com> References: <01BD6A34.40105DE0@pm3-131.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:35:33 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"JCVSS3.0.5F1.fNSEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Randy - > I figured out a way to not only make a ferric > disk magnet with the north pole in the center > of the disk and the out side rim the south pole. > > but to all so how to make a sphere with the > whole exterior one pole while the the most > center part of the core is the opposite pole. > > Does that sound impossible? Well, It's > NOT!!!!!!! It sure does sound impossible. Have you just thought about this one, or have you built it? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 02:43:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15374; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:43:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3539C693.20D8@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:40:35 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets References: <01BD6A34.40105DE0@pm3-131.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OVd-n.0.2m3.ZSSEr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Randy - > > > I figured out a way to not only make a ferric > > disk magnet with the north pole in the center > > of the disk and the out side rim the south pole. > > > > but to all so how to make a sphere with the > > whole exterior one pole while the the most > > center part of the core is the opposite pole. > > > > Does that sound impossible? Well, It's > > NOT!!!!!!! > > It sure does sound impossible. Have you just thought about this one, or > have you built it? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Rick, I think it might be possible to do this if you took several LARGE magnets and cut and grinded them into smaller pieces which when put together would make a sphere. Just put the same pole on the inside. Obviously you would have to glue the pieces or something to prevent them from flying apart. BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 05:27:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15506; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 05:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 05:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980418190458.0069ac1c@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:04:58 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: HydroCarbon oxigenator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PEhy71.0.Bo3.BsUEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4529 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all Anyone on this list has ever built the Oxigenator? The plans are sold by Eagle Research Inc. The clame is 100% fuel saving in a Carburator equiped car and 50% in a fuel injection one. In my opinion even 25% fuel saving could be satisfactory. Robert BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 08:59:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18605; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:59:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:59:33 -0700 Message-ID: <353A1C7D.1DBB@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:47:09 -0400 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets References: <2.2.32.19980419063834.00693d2c@mail.wincom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rguhr.0.bY4.ZzXEr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Ok smart guy tell us how to do it. Thought experiments are great but there > comes a time you have to prove your point with a real demonstration. > Woody > > Woody I figured out, you could magnetise sphere sections. Let's say four sections of a sphere then the fine edge of the quarter would be north pole and the round edge the south pole. Then you force them together and tie them or glue them and you get a monopole sphere. Note: that would be very weak, even with rare earth magnets because the magnetism would be trapped in the sphere, it would react weakly to metals but would at least tell the difference between poles. The best would be to make a full cylinder that has the center as south pole and the outer diameter as the north pole. Ask Jerry Decker, that's precisely such a magnet he talked about, and it's still weak, so imagine a sphere. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 12:49:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03947; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: K easy Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:46:23 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"00qo83.0.Zz.ALbEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4531 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 4/18/98 3:08:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hargraves@inetnow.com writes: << but to all so how to make a sphere with the whole exterior one pole while the the most center part of the core is the opposite pole. Does that sound impossible? Well, It's NOT!!!!!!! >> This one does sound tough, because the B field lines MUST be continuous. If for example the surface was all a N pole with lines uniformly leaving the surface of the sphere, how do they get to the S pole in the center?? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 13:07:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06376; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:05:03 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"829Yj1.0.TZ1.tbbEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4532 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill - > Rick, I think it might be possible ... The physical arrangement is not the problem. Flux busts back through the shell at some point, that's the problem. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 13:15:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07586; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353A5A93.BFCC600F@harti.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:12:03 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , newman-list Subject: Good idea how to build a GIT ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2ShKT.0.Rs1.tibEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/4425/tr2pic.html Check this out, before you want to build a GIT. It has one of the best and smartest designs I have seen so far. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 13:35:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11857; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353A5F2B.D660D2BE@harti.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:31:39 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energeon@microtec.net, freenrg-l Subject: Re: Good idea how to build a GIT ! References: <353A5A93.BFCC600F@harti.com> <353A5A67.6A30@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nCGB4.0.8v2.x_bEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4534 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com patrick tremblay wrote: > Stefan, > > Could we build a GIT but instead of using inertial propulsion and > rotating orbitals, we would use magnetic fields to put the action and > the reaction in the same direction and make a EMT ElectroMagnetic > Truster. A propulsion system with no moving parts. > > patrick tremblay > energeon@microtec.net Yes, I have thought about the same lines, but do you know, how "massless" a magnetic field is ??? :) Pretty hard to get any "action" at all, by just pulsing coils with fields. Maybe if one uses a magnetic fluid to propell this inside a special wheel via pulsed coils ? You have to have a big mass weight which goes round in the circle to generate enough force to lift something with a GIT ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 14:41:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13310; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:41:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:41:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD6BB1.A6257CE0@pm3-141.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Caduceous coil experiments Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:38:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA13253 Resent-Message-ID: <"mrvcw2.0.jF3.gzcEr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All: I guessI can't send images to freenrg-l. I'll have to explain verbally. I built a cad. coil with 4 nodes on it, and brought an AM radio near it when it was powered by 12V 3A. The radio detected interference near each of the nodes, and on the opposite side where the opposite nodes are. Also there was interference at each end of the coil. I made the coil out of 4.5" PVC pipe, about 25 inches long. Has anyone here done much experimentation with such coils? Suggestions? I've heard some rumors of superluminal scalar transmission with cad coils. How could we be sure that this is truly superluminal? BTW: Can someone here tell me where I can get a part called TIP3055? Best Regards, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 20:46:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00752; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: NLSilliman Message-ID: <7a1759b1.353ac42e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:42:35 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"EtrS73.0.fB.WJiEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Looks like Rick was half right. Rick says: < The physical arrangement is not the problem. Flux busts back < through the shell at some point, that's the problem. Heres a comment from someone who has actually tried this experiment. The results are not what you were expecting. But that is the reason for doing experiments. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Albers Newsgroups: sci.physics.research Subject: Re: Artifical Magnetic monopole... Date: Friday, Feduary 27, 1998 2:24 AM OK! I've recieved enough mail, the answer is in line with a closed surface, once the two halfs of the sphere are put together (its a dodecahedron), the fields completely disappear, the sphere becomes non-magnetic, external magnets will NOT stick to it, which I find interesting, but may just be my lack of understanding. I expected the result (no field), though it does raise some interesting questions. The sphere is under stress, it will fly apart if not held together, where is this potential energy stored, and in what form? I suspect the answer is in the stress induced into the crystal lattice when I pushed the 2 halfs together, though how the lattice communicates that potential force I don't really understand... Any explanation would be appreciated ! OH, one more thing I plan on trying,if I drill a small hole in the sphere, insert a wire to the center, and put a huge charge using my vandegraff between the outer shell and the inner point, where will the charge reside? It SHOULD sit on the outer surface, yet the opposite pole will be inside the sphere... Thanks for listening! Eric Albers ealbers@lplizard.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Norm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 20:57:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03410; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353AC6AD.61BD@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:53:17 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Joe Newman question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J2qkM2.0.4r.iUiEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I remember right Joe Newman was on the cover of Discover some years ago (mid 80's). Does anybody know for sure? BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 22:03:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27503; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:03:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:03:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804200502.WAA03831@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Caduceous coil experiments Resent-Message-ID: <"8UIJt1.0.Zj6.6SjEr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle and all, At 04:38 PM 4/19/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello All: > >I guessI can't send images to freenrg-l. I'll have to explain verbally. I built a cad. coil with 4 nodes on it, and brought an AM radio near it when it was powered by 12V 3A. The radio detected interference near each of the nodes, and on the opposite side where the opposite nodes are. Also there was interference at each end of the coil. I made the coil out of 4.5" PVC pipe, about 25 inches long. Has anyone here done much experimentation with such coils? Suggestions? I've heard some rumors of superluminal scalar transmission with cad coils. How could we be sure that this is truly superluminal? > Can you give us more information? Was it wound as a wide spaced 2-layer solenoid, 4 turns + 4 turns? In this case, the fields add. It sounds again like your power supply was generating hash and overloaded, or did your coil have 4 Ohms resistance? Did you try a battery source, say 1.5 volts? >BTW: Can someone here tell me where I can get a part called TIP3055? It is very common and one of the few stocked power transistors at Radio Shack. No. 276-2020. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 19 22:09:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18288; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7a1759b1.353ac42e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:06:29 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"nkjNr1.0.dT4.gXjEr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Norm - > Heres a comment from someone who has > actually tried this experiment. The results > are not what you were expecting. But that is > the reason for doing experiments. That's cool! I do know someone who tried to get a cylinder to work that way, and he had the flux sneaking out through the wall. Anyway, that's interesting about the thing going neutral. I've got a bunch of small magnets (leftover from SMOT experiments), and I tried making a deck of the little brick shaped magnets with alternating N and S poles like a checkerboard matrix. When I approached the matrix with another larger magnet, there was no attraction or repulsion at all. Same with a smaller magnet until I got close and it began to 'see' the individual pole faces closer in proportion to its own size. Something in there about sneaking up on magnetic poles and then flipping them over for a free energy push, but of course such schemes never work. Don't they? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 20 16:55:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09152; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:54:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: <004301bd6cb6$cc2b9d60$d45cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: "freenrg-l" Subject: Re: Joe Newman question Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:40:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZCeAU1.0.tE2.91-Er"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >If I remember right Joe Newman was on the cover of Discover some years >ago (mid 80's). Does anybody know for sure? I have the issue around somewhere, but no time to look for it right now. Try around 1986 or 1987. By the way, I don't think he was pictured on the cover. I think the headliner that month was the cosmological anthropic principle, but I'm not sure. -- "Any tapes left in a car for longer than about a fortnight automatically metamorphose into 'Best Of Queen' albums." --Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett, "Good Omens" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 20 17:47:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16845; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:31:44 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980421073541.29cf7aec@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: HydroCarbon oxigenator Resent-Message-ID: <"iNi7q3.0.z64.mn-Er"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:04 PM 4/18/98 +0300, you wrote: >Hi all >Anyone on this list has ever built the Oxigenator? >The plans are sold by Eagle Research Inc. The clame is 100% fuel saving in >a Carburator >equiped car and 50% in a fuel injection one. >In my opinion even 25% fuel saving could be satisfactory. > >Robert >BUSHILEV > > Robert, How about the GEET Fuel Processor that gets up to a 300% increase in MPG. Plans and information are available on my web page. Kits available soon. Also the new Mini-GEET that guarantees a minimum 25% (up to 73%) increase in MPG for $249 or your money back. It will also reduce emissions for cars that are having problems passing smog checks, and can be retrofit in about 30 minutes, information to be added tomorrow. Bob http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 21 01:46:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02389; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:46:41 GMT Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:46:41 GMT Message-ID: <01BD6C9C.70C37E80@pm3-123.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Caduceous coil experiments Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:39:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD6C9C.70CB1FA0" Resent-Message-ID: <"upA8o3.0.9b._f_Er"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD6C9C.70CB1FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: dave dameron[SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 12:02 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caduceous coil experiments >Can you give us more information? Was it wound as a wide spaced 2-layer >solenoid, 4 turns + 4 turns? In this case, the fields add. It sounds = again >like your power supply was generating hash and overloaded, or did your = coil >have 4 Ohms resistance? Did you try a battery source, say 1.5 volts? Well, its sort of like a bifilar coil. The winding goes up like a barber = pole, circles, and goes down like a barber pole in an opposite direction = of winding (clockwise up, counterclockwise down). The fields in this = shouldn't add, if I read the caduceous coil files right. It's built just = like pictured. The nodes are in a straight vertical line. I tested = turning on the power supply , with a .1ohm wire between the two leads, = and no AM interference like was produce with the coil appeared. Can I = put a resistor in series after the coil to prevent the power supply from = overloading? No, I didn't think a battery would produce enough power. = I'll try though. Best Regards, Kyle R. 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Mcallister" wrote: >BTW: Can someone here tell me where I can get a part called TIP3055? It's just a 2N3055 in a TO202 or TO220 case (I forget which). The 2N3055 (TO-3 package) would probably be able to dissipate more power though. Cheers All, Alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 21 10:04:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22132; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:04:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:04:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:03:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199804211703.AA28088@lafn.org> From: ad368@lafn.org (Jim Day) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: unusual magnets Reply-To: ad368@lafn.org Resent-Message-ID: <"l-RoY.0.XP5.Q6DFr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4544 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gnorts, The simulation of magnetic monopoles has been tried by various experimenters. There are several patents dealing with that. The abstracts of two such patents are reproduced below. I don't know what success the inventors had in implementing their inventions. Jim Day =============================================================== Wachspress, How. US Patent 4874346, "Free flying magnetic levitator." ABSTRACT: A free flying magnetic levitator that is self stabilized and fully maneuverable for magnetic structure establishing an odd number of poles for interaction with another magnetic field having an even number of poles to produce linear motion instead of rotation without a guideway. Longitudinally wound coils produce the odd pole magnetic field for maximizing coupling with an even pole field such as the magentic field of the earth. =============================================================== Whitlock, Stephen A. US Patent 5517083, "Method for forming magnetic fields." ABSTRACT: Magnetic point pole placements in a generally spherical arrangement of electromagnets forms a magnetic field. The magnetic arrangements use five regular geometric structures and geodesic triacon breakdowns of these geometric structures. Magnets are placed at the corners of each of the solids, oriented along the radii of the solid, with similar poles pointing inward. The magnets are at the same distance from structure center, and are identical in length and strength. Magnetic vector maps of fields within the structures are compared to current magnetic mirror plasma confinement fields. Non-symmetrical arrangements of magnets using regular geometric structures include specific magnets removed and new magnets added, resulting in a local monopole magnetic field and local inner field reversed mirror, depending on whether just one or both poles of the additional magnet are within the structure. Finally, the nesting of solids is presented. =============================================================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 21 19:35:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15962; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:31:51 +1000 Message-Id: <199804220231.MAA02159@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Coil designs to try Resent-Message-ID: <"Cv1Xr1.0.Dv3.bSLFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >one of my original time travel experiments involved 2 cone shaped coils, such as shown on JL Naudin's page, >http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/emvtxgen.htm > >The idea was to create a bucking magnetic vortex between the coils, and then intersect 2 scalar beams from a cad coil in the vortex.. I have not done this experiment yet, so I don't know what will happen, if anything. > >anyone know anything about this? > Years ago Dick Supton of Pheonix proposed a device that consisted of two contra-spinning cones. Maybe electrically charged somehow, and therefore producing a magnetic field. The occupant fitted inside, and was to be teleported somewhere (else). To my knowledge, it was never built, but you can locate him selling subliminal tapes in some of the New Age mags. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 21 19:35:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15991; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:31:59 +1000 Message-Id: <199804220231.MAA02167@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"4sUtb1.0.fv3.iSLFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >The best would be to make a full cylinder that has the center as south >pole and the outer diameter as the north pole. Ask Jerry Decker, that's >precisely such a magnet he talked about, and it's still weak, so imagine >a sphere. > >patrick tremblay > Yes, this is also how you can generate a scalar field using an applied charge, rather than magnetism. Cancellation is the objective. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 21 22:52:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07495; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980422055033.21984.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Need help with NIB Push-Pull To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"OzcdB3.0.wq1.rLOFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, Anyone have a good trick for getting two NIB or rare earth magnets into an opposing configuration -- specifically into the Push-Pull config of Gary Shannon's? Here's what I want to do _____ | S | |__N__| | N | |__S__| The magnets are too strong to get into an opposing config.....and the next question is -- will duct tape hole them together once I finally get them there? My fingers are beginning to throb...... == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 00:05:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21306; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980422055033.21984.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:00:18 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Need help with NIB Push-Pull Resent-Message-ID: <"15pVS.0.lC5.dOPFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4548 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton If they're cylindrical magnets, find brass, copper, or aluminum tubing that diameter, press them together inside the tubing in a vice using bits of dowel, and crimp the edges of the tubing over the ends of the magnets. If not cylindrical, same idea with sheet formed into an open ended box, pop riveted or soldered, etc. There's a good brazing product called "Rubbon 55" from Allied that you can use to braze-weld aluminum easily without flux in a propane flame. I use it to make little aluminum widgets when I need them and they have to be sealed, or there's no room for rivets, etc. >Anyone have a good trick for getting two NIB or rare earth magnets >into an opposing configuration -- specifically into the Push-Pull >config of Gary Shannon's? > >Here's what I want to do > _____ >| S | >|__N__| >| N | >|__S__| [snip] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 06:43:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20303; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353DF14E.A8C57402@harti.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:31:58 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a_rager@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Need help with NIB Push-Pull References: <19980422055033.21984.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kj95V3.0.8z4.UFVFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton Rager wrote: > Hello All, > > Anyone have a good trick for getting two NIB or rare earth magnets > into an opposing configuration -- specifically into the Push-Pull > config of Gary Shannon's? > > Here's what I want to do > _____ > | S | > |__N__| > | N | > |__S__| > > The magnets are too strong to get into an opposing config.....and the > next question is -- will duct tape hole them together once I finally > get them there? > > My fingers are beginning to throb...... > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > ___ Hi Anton,maybe you can get NIB magnets with a hole inside them ? There are round disc shaped BarriumFerrit Magnets, that have these holes and they can easily by used to use a brass screw to hold them together like this above ! A friend of mine is now alos trying the push pull magnets to build a PM motor. I will report as soon as he will have any results. It is all still in the building mode, also our RMOD. We have not much time in this moment to work on it. Regards, Stefan. > ______________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 09:37:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01630; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:27:41 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Need help with NIB Push-Pull Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"wqQ9o3.0.BP.8jXFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton, I have pushed they together many times. Loctite works great for Glue, and they make a formula just for magnets. It is toxic and care must be taken when working with it. I will try to find their web site and send it to you. You need to make a guide to keep the two magnets aligned and the rest is just using a " C " clamp to push them together. Regards, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 09:47:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04461; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:36:04 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <353E1E6C.A5416030@southconn.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:44:28 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Off topic (?) turbine question Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------87C9552DF86403A15DC615BA" Resent-Message-ID: <"LQPDK1.0.Y51.stXFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------87C9552DF86403A15DC615BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know where else to ask this question...ran across an unusual idea for a low head water turbine...would like to try it....below is a gif of the invention. 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-0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:03:03 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Good explanation I found describing Mewman motor, I agree ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"eb2U12.0.qT2.tDYFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-04-16 17:13:52 EDT, you write: << ATTRACT-ATTRACT and the Joe Newman motor From: Doug Renner Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:30:28 -0500 Greetings, everyone! I'll offer you my explanation of the Joseph Newman overunity motor. I suspect its operation is far simpler than Newman would have you believe. I've not seen anything that convinces me that Newman himself truly fathoms the operation of his device, but it is really quite simple as we shall see: >> Stefan, Does this theory also apply to the configuration where Joe has the magnet outside of the coil as shown many times in his book? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 10:35:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16010; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte Message-ID: <3cef7edb.353e2864@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:26:59 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Large "C" clamp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"bX3Pr1.0.-v3.uaYFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton, When I said a "C" clamp, I should have added it needs to be a very large "C" clamp and use hard wood or plastic between the clamp and magnet. You can drill a hole in a piece of hard wood or plastic ect. to use as a guide for the magnets. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 10:38:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03900; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:28:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:28:09 -0700 From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:40:52 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loctite address for Anton Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"7PRaS.0.qy.eYYFr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anton, Here is address for loctite http://www.loctite.com/info/help/index.html Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 11:16:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16574; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:06:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:06:46 -0700 Message-ID: <19980422154421.28485.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Need help with NIB Push-Pull To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"NADtt3.0.s24.r6ZFr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Thanks -- but I already have a boatload of kinda rectangular magnets that I am planning on using...just need to find a good way to build the array. I like Rick's idea....I'm thinking a thin brass/copper tube, some dowels, a vice, and some solder might work out well....just wrap the NIBs up like presents. Temped to try this with a toilet-paper holder with wire/tape reinforcing. In regards to the motor....I have been doing some tests with my Radio-Shack SMOT-type magnets, but they just aren't strong enough for my test setup. I've tried stacking more RS magnets, but still not strong enough. I think the NIBs will have the needed 'punch'. It does seem that the the double push-pull with a normal stack next has some asymetry to the entry/exit forces....I need stronger magnets to see how usable the differential is. My test rig is an old hard-drive motor/spindle with a single platter still attached. I have a bunch of nails duct-taped to the surface of the platter in a spoke-like fasion. If/When I actually get some movement from the magnet array, the hard-drive motor should produce some electricity...downside is that the test rig has a bit of friction due to the motor. ---Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi Anton,maybe you can get NIB magnets with a hole inside them ? > > There are round disc shaped BarriumFerrit Magnets, that have these > holes and they can easily by used to use a brass screw to hold them > together like this above ! > > A friend of mine is now alos trying the push pull magnets > to build a PM motor. > I will report as soon as he will have any results. > It is all still in the building mode, also our RMOD. > We have not much time in this moment to work on it. > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 13:08:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16853; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353E4AC2.9CD3F30B@harti.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:53:39 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Good explanation I found describing Mewman motor, I agree ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9sZKU.0.y64.zkaFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HLafonte wrote: > In a message dated 98-04-16 17:13:52 EDT, you write: > > << ATTRACT-ATTRACT and the Joe Newman motor > > From: Doug Renner > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:30:28 -0500 > > > > Greetings, everyone! > > I'll offer you my explanation of the Joseph Newman overunity motor. I > suspect its operation is far simpler than Newman would have you > believe. I've not seen anything that convinces me that Newman himself > > truly fathoms the operation of his device, but it is really quite simple > > as we shall see: >> > > Stefan, > Does this theory also apply to the configuration where Joe has the magnet > outside of the coil as shown many times in his book? > Thanks, > Butch Yes, it seems to depend all on the phase angle (rotation location) at which the commutator is switched (toggled) from one polarity to the other. If you set this angle wrong, then there will probably no spikes, which I did probably wrong, when I studied the Newman machines 10 years ago... Regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@ESKIMO.COM Wed Apr 22 13:36:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21705; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:31:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:31:40 -0700 Message-ID: <19980422152506.9657.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Need help with NIB Push-Pull To: freenrg-l@ESKIMO.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"9sqKX1.0.GI5.UTZFr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4556 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Good idea -- probably better than the duct-tape hand-grenade that I was in the process of building...... Thanks ---Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Anton > > If they're cylindrical magnets, find brass, copper, or aluminum tubing that > diameter, press them together inside the tubing in a vice using bits of > dowel, and crimp the edges of the tubing over the ends of the magnets. If > not cylindrical, same idea with sheet formed into an open ended box, pop > riveted or soldered, etc. There's a good brazing product called "Rubbon 55" > from Allied that you can use to braze-weld aluminum easily without flux in > a propane flame. I use it to make little aluminum widgets when I need them > and they have to be sealed, or there's no room for rivets, etc. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 22 18:50:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28671; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:49:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19980421073541.29cf7aec@pop3.friend.ly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:41:59 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: HydroCarbon oxigenator Resent-Message-ID: <"7RxRI1.0.r_6.GufFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 07:04 PM 4/18/98 +0300, you wrote: >>Hi all >>Anyone on this list has ever built the Oxigenator? >>The plans are sold by Eagle Research Inc. The clame is 100% fuel saving in >>a Carburator >>equiped car and 50% in a fuel injection one. >>In my opinion even 25% fuel saving could be satisfactory. >> >>Robert >>BUSHILEV >> >> >Robert, >How about the GEET Fuel Processor that gets up to a 300% increase in MPG. >Plans and information are available on my web page. Kits available soon. >Also the new Mini-GEET that guarantees a minimum 25% (up to 73%) increase in >MPG for $249 or your money back. It will also reduce emissions for cars that >are having problems passing smog checks, and can be retrofit in about 30 >minutes, information to be added tomorrow. >Bob Hi Bob, You said that plans and information are available on your web page. I couldn't find the plans. I would like to experiment building one of these. > >http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET > >+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + >+ + >+ Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + >+ + >+ http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + >+ + >+ mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + >+ + >+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 23 00:45:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06949; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353EF084.5C77@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:40:52 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: References wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LNUPe3.0.Mi1.S6lFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I was wondering if anyone on the list could point me to a website which would enlighten me on quantum mechanics theory. I have wanted to explore it, but for now don't have the funding to buy books and the libraries here suck. BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 23 05:47:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21899; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:33:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980423193557.357f951a@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: HydroCarbon oxigenator Resent-Message-ID: <"1cpG82.0.2M5._WpFr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:41 PM 4/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >>At 07:04 PM 4/18/98 +0300, you wrote: >>>Hi all >>>Anyone on this list has ever built the Oxigenator? >>>The plans are sold by Eagle Research Inc. The clame is 100% fuel saving in >>>a Carburator >>>equiped car and 50% in a fuel injection one. >>>In my opinion even 25% fuel saving could be satisfactory. >>> >>>Robert >>>BUSHILEV >>> >>> >>Robert, >>How about the GEET Fuel Processor that gets up to a 300% increase in MPG. >>Plans and information are available on my web page. Kits available soon. >>Also the new Mini-GEET that guarantees a minimum 25% (up to 73%) increase in >>MPG for $249 or your money back. It will also reduce emissions for cars that >>are having problems passing smog checks, and can be retrofit in about 30 >>minutes, information to be added tomorrow. >>Bob > >Hi Bob, >You said that plans and information are available on your web page. I couldn't find the plans. I would like to experiment building one of these. > >> >>http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET >> >> >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda > > > Try this URL - http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/products.htm The plans will drop in price soon, after he limits you to one conversion instead of ten. Also, since you are a ham radio operator - Listen to GEET's Live Call-In Shortwave Show (800-349-1061), Sunday mornings 7-9 am EDST - 5.070 MHZ Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 23 17:57:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01591; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353FE016.2496@microtec.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:43:02 -0400 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: TRANSFORMER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cVZm3.0.mO.jD-Fr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I am building a transformer with a used car alternator. I want to know, what could be the maximum electrical input to the rotor. I plan to use AC current but of course it won't be from the wall outlet, it will come from an inverter connected to a car battery, but I must know what is the maximum amperes and watts I can input, I would hate to burn it out. the model is a GM chevette alternator. patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 23 18:25:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08674; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804240122.SAA05830@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: References wanted Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:23:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OxC5C2.0.J72.zd-Fr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4562 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There is a fairly decent hypertext first year physics textbook at http://www.rwc.uc.edu/koehler/biophys/text.html It covers the basics of Quantum Mechanics toward the end of the book. --Gary. > From: Bill Perry > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; KeelyNet-L@lists.kz; vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: References wanted > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 12:40 AM > > I was wondering if anyone on the list could point me to a website which > would enlighten me on quantum mechanics theory. I have wanted to explore > it, but for now don't have the funding to buy books and the libraries > here suck. > BillP > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 23 23:42:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02537; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35403314.265A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:37:08 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xZAnb1.0.Xd.uG3Gr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 24 02:18:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20214; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <354057AD.7CAF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:13:17 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vKb1T3.0.hx4.FZ5Gr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com is anyone seeing this? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 24 02:29:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22818; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35405A50.4B07@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:24:32 -1000 From: Bill Perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6JOHr3.0.Ra5.kj5Gr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 24 11:16:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02722; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:15:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3540D3EB.415D@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:03:23 -0400 From: patrick tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: OVERUNITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cTwKv1.0.Ng.NRDGr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, Who could make transformer laminations for me. I am looking for a company or individual who can build cheaply custom laminations. I am designing an overunity transformer and I will need to have a torroidal core. I will need ring laminations for the secondary. I'll give further information to build this transformer as I advance in the building of it myself. This is SERIOUS, thanks, patrick tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 24 16:43:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06490; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3540D3EB.415D@microtec.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:41:14 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: OVERUNITY Resent-Message-ID: <"wLcYt2.0.Ib1.dEIGr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4567 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Patrick - If you need a toroidal core section of a transformer, you should be able to salvage it off an existing unit. Hacksaw, grinder, that sort of thing should get you the final shape you want. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Apr 24 17:34:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07775; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:33:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:33:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804250033.RAA20071@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: laminations Resent-Message-ID: <"7z6-x1.0.Jv1.nzIGr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4568 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:03 PM 4/24/98 -0400, Patrick wrote: >Hi all, > >Who could make transformer laminations for me. I am looking for a >company or individual who can build cheaply custom laminations. > >I am designing an overunity transformer and I will need to have a >torroidal core. I will need ring laminations for the secondary. > If it has to be roughly round, what about the field laminations of an induction motor? Otherwise, could you cut out the center core section of transformer E-I laminations. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 25 12:37:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16918; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35423AB0.EB324637@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:34:08 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Faraday cage question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aBiPP.0.884.qjZGr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have a question about farady cages.. I'm setting up a lab in my basement, but my computer is located right above it, and there is another computer on the other side of the wall (wooden ceiling/floor, cement wall. Not sure if that would make any difference).. I need a way to isolate the lab from the rest of the building, and I was wondering if a faraday cage would do this.. All the information I've seen so far on EM shielding has been focused on shielding from outside EM fields. I'm hoping it will work both ways, but I'm not sure.. can anyone help? thanks.. -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 25 12:55:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19541; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35423F4A.AB6439EA@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:53:46 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Faraday cage question References: <35423AB0.EB324637@darknet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wlsp7.0.7n4.4_ZGr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > (wooden ceiling/floor, cement wall. Not sure if that would make any > difference).. Er.. 3 of the walls are cement, (other is wood/drywall.. still gotta build that one) as is the floor.. the ceiling, which is the floor of my computer room, is wood.. after I wrote the email I realized it sounded a bit confusing, even if it has no relevance to the question... ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 25 23:45:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11525; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804260642.XAA09795@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Faraday cage question Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:43:56 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W3ewh1.0.-p2.TVjGr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4571 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Faraday cages work both ways. In fact your TV set probably has a faraday cage around the picture tube. They used to anyway. Older computers (like Apple II's) used to play havoc with TV sets until they lined the case with foil. Modern PC's are in metal boxes, and that's a faraday cage that keeps the bad stuff inside the computer box. --Gary. ---------- > From: Steve > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Faraday cage question > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 12:53 PM > > > (wooden ceiling/floor, cement wall. Not sure if that would make any > > difference).. > > Er.. 3 of the walls are cement, (other is wood/drywall.. still gotta build > that one) as is the floor.. the ceiling, which is the floor of my computer > room, is wood.. after I wrote the email I realized it sounded a bit > confusing, even if it has no relevance to the question... > > ttyl > -Steve > -- > darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 > DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net > Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 26 12:59:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15584; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <354391C1.15EA@spu.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:57:53 -0700 From: TK Reply-To: tnk@spu.edu Organization: me X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: muon generation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zAMKf2.0.Np3.78vGr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4572 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com How would I go about generating muons and then focusing them into a concentrated beam?? Any help would be appreciated. I am looking for a solution that would be at least somewhat energy efficient. Thankyou. TK tkirk@hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 26 17:49:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17008; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:49:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:49:30 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD714C.2671FE60@pm3-138.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Biefield-Brown effect false? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:47:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sancf1.0.f94.POzGr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4573 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all: I cam across a NASA web page (and mentioned it awhile back) that said the Biefield Brown effect is false. THe only passage on it reads: "Test of Biefield-Brown Effect-(results negative) Tally for Mead Its at http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/bpp_PREPARATORY_WORK.htm Comments please, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Apr 26 17:55:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24196; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:50:08 -1000 From: bill perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Voltage stepper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QPSFa1.0.tv5.gTzGr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4574 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To all with background in EE out there: Is it possible to construct a simple yet effective way to step up voltage without using a transformer coil? I need it to be powered by a simple 9V battery and be able to be portable. I don't want a transformer because they generate heat and put too much drain on a battery. Thanks a lot. BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 04:30:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24099; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35446AF0.3639@bcpl.net> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:24:32 -0400 From: Drexler X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Voltage stepper References: <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gWH3R3.0.Su5.0n6Hr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4575 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com bill perry wrote: > Is it possible to construct a simple yet effective way to step up > voltage without using a transformer coil? Yes. Check out: http://www.wenzel.com/documents/hobby.html Scroll down to Power Supply Circuits. One of my favorite is the Cockroft-Walton. Note that this kind of voltage multiplier is still used is some "older" particle accelerators, see: http://isis.netherworld.com/~gomez/laboratory/fermi2.html for a photo of a large-ish multiplier. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 07:05:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12132; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Voltage stepper Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:29:11 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net> Lines: 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"ImN3q1.0.Rz2.c29Hr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4576 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In article <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net>, you wrote: >To all with background in EE out there: > >Is it possible to construct a simple yet effective way to step up >voltage without using a transformer coil? I need it to be powered by a >simple 9V battery and be able to be portable. I don't want a transformer >because they generate heat and put too much drain on a battery. I diode based voltage doubler, and/or switched capacitor system are the standard no transformer ways. You didn't say what voltage/current you wanted for a output? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 11:26:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06884; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:05 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD71DF.C05232A0@pm3-154.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:24:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id LAA06855 Resent-Message-ID: <"rmFPU2.0.Oh1.xsCHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4577 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Has anyone (Jean-Louis I know has) tested the Biefield-Brown effect? If so, what were your results, tests, input power, device specifications, etc. Any thought as to what might cause the effect? (and tests to confirm/deny bogus effects)? Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 P.S.: Is there no interest in trying to figure such things out? I have asked many times, with no response. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 13:48:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05224; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:48:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:59:54 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Voltage stepper In-Reply-To: <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"rJF0Q.0.CH1.JyEHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4578 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In message <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net>, bill perry writes >To all with background in EE out there: > >Is it possible to construct a simple yet effective way to step up >voltage without using a transformer coil? I need it to be powered by a >simple 9V battery and be able to be portable. I don't want a transformer >because they generate heat and put too much drain on a battery. >Thanks a lot. >BillP > How much do you want to step up the voltage? If it's only a factor of a few times it is possible to use capacitor-diode charge pumps. A proper flyback SMPSU is much better for higher voltages. Efficiencies can be up to 90% if you know how to design them properly. I don't know what you mean by transformers 'draining' a battery (or producing heat). Have a look at the app notes from Linear Technology or Natinal Semiconductor for their simple 'boost' type SMPSU chips. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 18:38:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12966; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804280136.SAA20058@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:37:34 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3oYJT.0.TA3.5CJHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4579 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I tried with 85Kv several months ago and got no measurable effect. WhenI get around to it I'd like to try with higher voltages. --Gary. ---------- > From: Kyle R. Mcallister > To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > Subject: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 11:24 AM > > Hello all: > > Has anyone (Jean-Louis I know has) tested the Biefield-Brown effect? If so, what were your results, tests, input power, device specifications, etc. > > Any thought as to what might cause the effect? (and tests to confirm/deny bogus effects)? > > Thanks, > Kyle Randall Mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > Fax: 228-872-5837 > > P.S.: Is there no interest in trying to figure such things out? I have asked many times, with no response. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 19:01:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19012; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:00:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:00:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980427220422.00696e58@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:04:25 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"x4Tb53.0.ye4.KXJHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4580 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yup. There has been great interest, research the man and you will find a good deal of information. No one to my knowledge has had success with his primary idea, that large high permittivity dielectrics exert a force conter to gravity when charged. Most researchers attribute the small positive results to ionic wind. In fact, that in and of itself has been researched for propulsion. I seem to remember one gentleman achieving good results charging what was for all intents an purposes mattress springs to a high voltage. But if you're looking to start a discussion, best thing is to present some experimental evidence to get interest. Like I said, the ground is hardly virgin here... K. At 06:37 PM 4/27/98 -0700, you wrote: >> From: Kyle R. Mcallister >> To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >> Subject: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? >> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 11:24 AM >> >> Hello all: >> >> Has anyone (Jean-Louis I know has) tested the Biefield-Brown effect? If >so, what were your results, tests, input power, device specifications, etc. >> >> Any thought as to what might cause the effect? (and tests to confirm/deny >bogus effects)? >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle Randall Mcallister >> Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >> Phone: 228-875-0629 >> Fax: 228-872-5837 >> >> P.S.: Is there no interest in trying to figure such things out? I have >asked many times, with no response. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 21:36:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21866; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:35:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:35:52 -0700 Message-ID: <35455BD9.1024@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:32:25 -1000 From: bill perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Voltage stepper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9GblF3.0.ZL5.eoLHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris Morriss wrote: > > In message <3543D640.2684@worldnet.att.net>, bill perry > writes > >To all with background in EE out there: > > > >Is it possible to construct a simple yet effective way to step up > >voltage without using a transformer coil? I need it to be powered by a > >simple 9V battery and be able to be portable. I don't want a transformer > >because they generate heat and put too much drain on a battery. > >Thanks a lot. > >BillP > > > How much do you want to step up the voltage? If it's only a factor of a > few times it is possible to use capacitor-diode charge pumps. A proper > flyback SMPSU is much better for higher voltages. Efficiencies can be > up to 90% if you know how to design them properly. I don't know what > you mean by transformers 'draining' a battery (or producing heat). Have > a look at the app notes from Linear Technology or Natinal Semiconductor > for their simple 'boost' type SMPSU chips. > -- > Chris Morriss I want to step 1V-5V up to about 30Kv-40Kv. I might have to resort to about two series ignition coils from and old pair of cars and settle it that way. I figure about 1-5v pulsed on the input would result in a 50-60Kv pulsed output. I had hoped to be able to use all capacitors and diodes and resistors or something, to cut down on the loss of the circuit. But I am not sure if these will give the kind of voltage multiplication described above. BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Apr 27 22:40:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15990; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804280538.WAA15834@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@204.119.177.49 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Kenyon's Altenator Update Cc: "Jerry W. Decker" Resent-Message-ID: <"d8yso3.0.kv3.OlMHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4582 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sunday 4/27/98 I met Dr. Kenyon to learn more about his ou 'ironless' armature and to find out how he tapped the permanent magnet (PM) for greater energy output. I had later heard that plans were for sale on his PM design, so this is an update for those interested in his work. The 1976 report (printed in Kelly's "Free Energy Manual") of his 5hp input to 14kw light bulb output was incorrect. He says that the lights were not fully loaded and he estimated 95% eff. on that design. He let me glimps at a 2 foot diameter non-overunity PM generator unit that was stored in a corner in a back room, but I didn't see it run or look at it closely. It looked inoperable. No info was given on his 'magnetic scalar' theory or of the generator operation because it would have to be a very large design that would cost at least $5 million. The key to his design are using permanent magnets, not the 'ironless' coils as mentioned in his 1984 US Patent 4,438,342. The bigger the magnets the better. He talks about stacking the magnets for greater flux that then creates more torque force. No info was given on how to do this for generating greater energy output, only that it would have to be very large design at 6 foot in diameter min. size rotor, and require $6 million dollars. Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 06:27:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22126; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:24:28 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? In-Reply-To: <01BD71DF.C05232A0@pm3-154.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"i3nga2.0.cP5.daTHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4583 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle Mcallister wrote: >Has anyone (Jean-Louis I know has) tested the Biefield-Brown >effect? If so, what were your results, tests, input power, >device specifications,etc. > >Any thought as to what might cause the effect? (and tests to >confirm/deny bogus effects)? > >P.S.: Is there no interest in trying to figure such things out? >I have asked many times, with no response. I have been very interested in trying to figure out whether the Biefield-Brown effect exists, but short of actually doing the experiment myself (which I haven't time at present), I have not been able to find an answer. I just checked through the databases to which I have access to see whether there was any reference to the rather cryptic: "Test of Biefield-Brown effect (results negative) - Tally for Mead (91)" on that Nasa web page but could find no published or conference paper with "Biefield" in the title or subject. As for Jean-Louis experiment which was discussed here briefly a while ago (see 13th Nov 97), there was no attempt made to rule out the obvious bogus effect of ionic wind, even after it was pointed out and methods of overcoming it discussed. I cannot understand why Jean-Louis chose not to try anything. When I asked: >The Bifield-Brown effect is EXTREMELY interesting if it exists - it >is in direct contradiction with conventional physics. Ionic wind >effects are NOT interesting. Please try to separate the two effects. His reply was >The spontaneous force in the matter is greater than the ion wind >effect, Stan Deyo and Dr Michel Rambaut has tested the spontaneous >force effect with low voltage and high current (see the Patrick >Cornille paper). The fact that they have been able to produce >spontaneous force at low voltage avoid the ionization effect. ... Unfortunately of course using low voltage and high current is NO LONGER the Biefield-Brown effect which was what we were interested in (and there are other bogus effects which must be considered for these other experiments). So that was as far as we got. Yet another indeterminate result from a rather pointless experiment. An interesting electric motor for the tinkerer maybe but nothing added to our knowledge. Maybe "Tally or Mead (91)" have actually done a careful experiment and got a "negative result" so that Biefield-Brown could finally be put to rest. But since we cannot find the report of their experiment, I guess those interested just have to keep wondering until someone else gets the time to do the experiment carefully yet again and bothers to report it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 09:33:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16264; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:33:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:33:18 -0700 X-ROUTED: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:28:50 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <3546057E.3174CB78@southconn.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:36:14 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FfZBB1.0.wz3.DJWHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4584 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Had to jump in here, the electrostatic wind effect was ruled out by brown himself...he demonstrated the effect existed in a vacumn....there was no decrease in the effect. I do not know where this is shown on the web....there are pictures around that were shown in the newspapers of the time...I remember as a child (11-12 years old) seeing this in the newspapers (or maybe in a magazine)....I remember because it fascinated me at the time (and still does ..)....hope this helps....steve opelc John Winterflood wrote: > > Kyle Mcallister wrote: > > >Has anyone (Jean-Louis I know has) tested the Biefield-Brown > >effect? If so, what were your results, tests, input power, > >device specifications,etc. > > > >Any thought as to what might cause the effect? (and tests to > >confirm/deny bogus effects)? > > > >P.S.: Is there no interest in trying to figure such things out? > >I have asked many times, with no response. > > I have been very interested in trying to figure out whether > the Biefield-Brown effect exists, but short of actually doing > the experiment myself (which I haven't time at present), I > have not been able to find an answer. > > I just checked through the databases to which I have access to > see whether there was any reference to the rather cryptic: > "Test of Biefield-Brown effect (results negative) - Tally for > Mead (91)" on that Nasa web page but could find no published > or conference paper with "Biefield" in the title or subject. > > As for Jean-Louis experiment which was discussed here briefly > a while ago (see 13th Nov 97), there was no attempt made to rule > out the obvious bogus effect of ionic wind, even after it was > pointed out and methods of overcoming it discussed. I cannot > understand why Jean-Louis chose not to try anything. When I > asked: > > >The Bifield-Brown effect is EXTREMELY interesting if it exists - it > >is in direct contradiction with conventional physics. Ionic wind > >effects are NOT interesting. Please try to separate the two effects. > > His reply was > > >The spontaneous force in the matter is greater than the ion wind > >effect, Stan Deyo and Dr Michel Rambaut has tested the spontaneous > >force effect with low voltage and high current (see the Patrick > >Cornille paper). The fact that they have been able to produce > >spontaneous force at low voltage avoid the ionization effect. ... > > Unfortunately of course using low voltage and high current is NO > LONGER the Biefield-Brown effect which was what we were interested > in (and there are other bogus effects which must be considered > for these other experiments). > > So that was as far as we got. Yet another indeterminate result > from a rather pointless experiment. An interesting electric motor > for the tinkerer maybe but nothing added to our knowledge. Maybe > "Tally or Mead (91)" have actually done a careful experiment and > got a "negative result" so that Biefield-Brown could finally be > put to rest. But since we cannot find the report of their > experiment, I guess those interested just have to keep wondering > until someone else gets the time to do the experiment carefully > yet again and bothers to report it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 13:43:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00356; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:43:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:30:49 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Voltage stepper In-Reply-To: <35455BD9.1024@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"w31TG3.0.M5.JzZHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4585 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In message <35455BD9.1024@worldnet.att.net>, bill perry writes >I want to step 1V-5V up to about 30Kv-40Kv. I might have to resort to >about two series ignition coils from and old pair of cars and settle it >that way. I figure about 1-5v pulsed on the input would result in a >50-60Kv pulsed output. I had hoped to be able to use all capacitors and >diodes and resistors or something, to cut down on the loss of the >circuit. But I am not sure if these will give the kind of voltage >multiplication described above. >BillP > A normal car ignition coil has a ratio of about 1:100. The normal peak voltage across the primary when the points open, (or the transistor turns off) is about 400V, so you've got a no-load secondary voltage of about 40kV already. The secondary of ignition coils has a high resistance and an appreciable self capacitance though. The self resonance of the secondary might be a problem if you want to switch the primary quickly. The primary inductance is in the range of 3 to 5mH, so you need a higher voltage than 12 if you want to run it a a reasonably high frequency. Peak primary current is usually held to about 5A, so you can easily work out how long it takes for the current to reach this level, with the points closed (or transistor etc..) with the standard inductor equation di/dt=V/L. One way of getting the voltage you need would be a standard ignition coil, running off 24v or so, with its switching circuit, together with a separate dc-dc invertor providing you with the 24V from the 5V. You really need an experienced SMPSU guy to give you a hand with it. 'Fraid I'm miles away in the UK. (and busy designing for 3Com). Best of luck. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 14:10:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07374; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:10:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:10:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: large discharge-caps? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7dMW2.0.7p1.0NaHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4586 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here's the bilder of the "water-gun", from DANGEROUS CAPACITOR EXPERIMENTS. Can anyone here help him track down some big discharge caps? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:37:39 -0700 From: cpihl To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: more "water gun" ps. i'm looking for some(cheap) HV pulse-discharge caps. i've tried contacting the person with the "giant pulse-discharge caps" but the email address is wrong. sincerely chris pihl From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 15:02:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05579; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:01:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3546057E.3174CB78@southconn.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:59:12 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"SML8m3.0.4N1.E7bHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4587 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve - > Had to jump in here, the electrostatic wind > effect was ruled out by brown himself...he > demonstrated the effect existed in a > vacumn....there was no decrease in the effect. Ionic wind still works in a vacuum to the extent that clouds of electrons and stray charged gas and other matter can come off the surface of the electrode. Aside from the slight thrust these particles provide when leaving the surface, the charges can accumulate to one side or another in the chamber and create further 'bogus' effects even in vacuum. This experiment is the devil to do right. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 16:31:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07015; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:31:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:31:03 -0700 X-ROUTED: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:26:30 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <354666F4.10D5FE57@southconn.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:32:04 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"180Xs2.0.Rj1.sQcHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4588 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick - the picture shows one of his devices off the ground, in a vacumn chamber, looking at the picture, as I remember it, it must have been two/three feet in length and a couple of feet in width. I don't know what the weight was, but do you think the ionic wind would have been strong enough to lift it in a vacumn? I suspect that using the lightest materials of the time, would not have been......steve opelc Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Steve - > > > Had to jump in here, the electrostatic wind > > effect was ruled out by brown himself...he > > demonstrated the effect existed in a > > vacumn....there was no decrease in the effect. > > Ionic wind still works in a vacuum to the extent that clouds of electrons > and stray charged gas and other matter can come off the surface of the > electrode. Aside from the slight thrust these particles provide when > leaving the surface, the charges can accumulate to one side or another in > the chamber and create further 'bogus' effects even in vacuum. > > This experiment is the devil to do right. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 18:13:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00564; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:13:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:13:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD72E1.B9040B60@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Deyo Experiment-tests confirmed Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA00332 Resent-Message-ID: <"luQ-Q2.0.G8._wdHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4589 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I have tested the Deyo setup with a piece of 18AWG wire strung between two wood beams, and powered by a car battery. When the voltage was positive to my left (I was facing the wire), the wire moved away from me. When negative to my left, it moved toward m e. I noted last night that the magnetic fields surround the wire with a certain spin direction. The Rambaut spinning ball experiment may indicate that there is some interaction between the spin of the magnetic field and the experimental setup. Also, Deyo notes that when small pieces of paper are attached to a thinner wire, the pieces of paper twist in one direction around the wire. I must gain more info on this effect, and plan to continue my experiments. Note that this twist of the paper may indicate a magnetic spin interaction also. THIS IS ONLY A THEORY Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 18:21:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10144; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35467F31.61BA@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:15:29 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? References: <3.0.32.19980427220422.00696e58@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VYBTC2.0.GU2.g1eHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4590 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! >From my understanding of T.T. Brown, the trick is not simply high voltage, but high voltage and ROTATION...it was only after he started rotating these highly charged disks that he got the phenomenal and classified levels of thrust. To my way of thinking it ties in perfectly with Einsteins UFT paper of 1929 which says gravity, magnetism, electric force and inertia are all interchangeable. Here is a response sent to a contact who is of the opinion (based on his own experiments) that pyromagnetic are a key to many of the UFO sightings and characteristics. Here is the email; --------------------------- I went to lunch with Chuck Henderson yesterday and we were talking about your pyromagnetic stuff. He said he had worked around some really powerful air compressors and that you could shoot the air across your hand and it would get hotter and hotter, to where you would have to stop or burn yourself. According to Chuck, this high velocity air, in his own experience does in fact reach high temperatures. This was news to me as I've only worked around compressors of about 150psi max, with nozzle velocities not much greater than about 80psi...when I've done this many times in the past, it is always cool. Chuck says the heat generation is also dependent on the amount of moisture mixed with the air. So now I understand more clearly how you are saying the pyromagnetic effect can be achieved with nothing but high velocity air to heat and a venturi to creation suction that cools. It does make sense because compression produces heat, expansion produces cold. And I have felt an air tank that was compressing up to 200 psi and the tank was hot enough to burn your hand if you kept touching it. I have no idea at this time what kind of velocity, cubic feet per minute or acceptable degree of moisture is required to achieve the high temperature needed for the magnet Curie point, but surely it is written down in a report somewhere. So, I am that much more intrigued by your claims that a useful pyromagnetic effect can be produced using just air. Your additional correlations to UFO type phenomena, specifically as evinced in the Searl and Hamel claims where air is definitely moving through the craft at very high velocity and a glow is produced which has the spectral characterisitics of heat (red to yellow to white), offers an entirely new perspective on what might really be their method of propulsion and power generation. What puzzles me now is what keeps the air flowing? I can see it requiring an initial source of energy to achieve a certain velocity, then, once achieved, it must become self-sustaining and in effect go into an overunity condition. A correlation I've noted across many claims has to do with velocity or energy density. It requires outside energy to achieve either a critical velocity or energy density (Keely's Push), then it achieves a level of 'balance' which I liken to resonance where push equals pull.... if it is accelerated or increased slightly beyond that balance point, it starts to PULL (as Keely says) and will accelerate ON ITS OWN... to prevent it from either destroying itself or flying off into space (because gravity is cancelled and repelled), a govenor needs to be applied so you can tap off what you need as energy. (Keely's Push / Balance / Pull in action) That is another reason the Einstein Unified Field Theory is interesting since it says that gravity, magnetism, electric force and INERTIA are all interchangeable...that is why you can achieve this push/pull/balance effect by increasing the velocity of mass or the density of energy. Anyway, just wanted to let you know, some of us are still pondering your pyromagnetic claims and I think you really have an entirely new take on the production of phenomena using it. I ordered the set of Physics Experiments books from AMAZON that Terry and John found for $90.00 and will extract more useful information for website pages...also I will draw up your faxes...they have already been shared with the Roundtable group who will in turn pass them on to their contacts. Thanks for sharing your ideas and experiments, I think you could make a really interesting presentation and workshop at a conference. Seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 18:41:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13962; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429085355.008e9c20@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:53:55 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? In-Reply-To: <354666F4.10D5FE57@southconn.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"c-oVi.0.3Q3.4LeHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4591 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Opelc (or Paula?) wrote :- >Rick - the picture shows one of his devices off the ground, >in a vacumn chamber, looking at the picture, as I remember >it, it must have been two/three feet in length and a couple >of feet in width. I don't know what the weight was, but do >you think the ionic wind would have been strong enough to >lift it in a vacumn? I suspect that using the lightest >materials of the time, would not have been......steve opelc Yes I find it very hard to believe that such a thing could be lifted in a vacuum by ionic wind. But is it being lifted or is it supended by wires (which are required to supply the high tension) and just being made to move sideways by ionic wind. That is what I strongly suspect. Remember also that there is no such thing as a true vacuum, we only reduce the pressure to some degree depending on the equipment that we can afford. Achieving a "high" vacuum in a large tank is quite difficult and expensive. I think a reasonable measurement of how much ionic wind is being generated should be obtainable from the current that has to be supplied to maintain the device at its high potential. If we believe in conservation of charge then almost all of that current is going off in ionic wind (or leakage current through the dielectric). Most figures I remember reading about T.T Browns experiments quoted rather a high value of current. Merely maintaining a high potential on a surface in a high vacuum should take no current. Rick Monteverde wrote: > Ionic wind still works in a vacuum to the extent that clouds of electrons > and stray charged gas and other matter can come off the surface of the > electrode. Aside from the slight thrust these particles provide when > leaving the surface, the charges can accumulate to one side or another in > the chamber and create further 'bogus' effects even in vacuum. > > This experiment is the devil to do right. I don't think it is hard to do a pretty good test :- (1) A fan (ie ionic wind) enclosed in a box generates no net thrust. Similarly a pair of fans pointing in opposite directions mounted one on each the end of a rod, cannot turn if they are enclosed by a balloon or large bag which is attached so that it has to turn with the rod. This is all that is required to overcome ionic wind. Make the bag slightly conductive and earth it via the suspension wire so that it cannot build up a potential high enough to produce ionic wind on its *outside* surface and the problem is solved. (2) Insist that in order to "test positive" the suspended device has to make at least one full turn. This overcomes all the unbalanced "accumulation of charges" effects which could cause it to swing to a preferred position. It can at most only swing 180 degrees to a new equilibrium. After that it needs some method of commutation as per an electric motor in order to change the potential to get it to accelerate further. Without commutation it can only overshoot the 180 degree mark somewhat and then swing back. Surely this is simple! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 18:40:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10615; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:40:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3546784A.342F@gorge.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:46:02 -0700 From: tom@gorge.net (Tom Miller) Reply-To: tom@gorge.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Voltage stepper References: <199804290114.SAA01152@mx1.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vBxpc2.0.hb2.uJeHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4592 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill Perry wrote: > I want to step 1V-5V up to about 30Kv-40Kv. For cheap and dirty, why not try a *stun gun*? many use 9v battery, and output ~50kv. I think it is either AC or pulsed DC?? Tom Miller From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 19:43:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25800; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD72EE.262E66C0@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: RE: Voltage stepper Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:39:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id TAA25774 Resent-Message-ID: <"7y5El.0.1J6.GFfHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4593 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- From: Tom Miller[SMTP:tom@gorge.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 7:46 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Voltage stepper >For cheap and dirty, why not try a *stun gun*? >many use 9v battery, and output ~50kv. I think >it is either AC or pulsed DC?? Amen, brother! I used a stun gun many times to run HV experiments. That is, before I got my Wimshurst machine up and running. I think my stun gun puts out 40kV. Maybe something like this would work for Biefield-Brown experiments? Kyle R. Mcallister (who has been shocked by his stun gun, and doesn't think it hurts...too much) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 20:59:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18269; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:58:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:58:51 -0700 X-ROUTED: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:54:16 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <3546A63E.A0F54A3@southconn.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:02:06 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.1.32.19980429085355.008e9c20@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SUzCl.0.BT4.wLgHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4594 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Opelc ...is writing....I had thought that when J. Naudlin did his experiments he addressed the question of electrostatic, wind on one of the lists he was posting to at the time.....however am not able to find any of the postings...if anyone knows, or can post his answers to questions about the expirement he performed, would be nice......(J. Naudlin, are you listening?)....steve John Winterflood wrote: > > Steve Opelc (or Paula?) wrote :- > > >Rick - the picture shows one of his devices off the ground, > >in a vacumn chamber, looking at the picture, as I remember > >it, it must have been two/three feet in length and a couple > >of feet in width. I don't know what the weight was, but do > >you think the ionic wind would have been strong enough to > >lift it in a vacumn? I suspect that using the lightest > >materials of the time, would not have been......steve opelc > > Yes I find it very hard to believe that such a thing could > be lifted in a vacuum by ionic wind. But is it being lifted > or is it supended by wires (which are required to supply the > high tension) and just being made to move sideways by ionic > wind. That is what I strongly suspect. Remember also that > there is no such thing as a true vacuum, we only reduce the > pressure to some degree depending on the equipment that we > can afford. Achieving a "high" vacuum in a large tank is > quite difficult and expensive. > > I think a reasonable measurement of how much ionic wind is > being generated should be obtainable from the current that > has to be supplied to maintain the device at its high > potential. If we believe in conservation of charge then > almost all of that current is going off in ionic wind > (or leakage current through the dielectric). Most figures > I remember reading about T.T Browns experiments quoted > rather a high value of current. Merely maintaining a high > potential on a surface in a high vacuum should take no > current. > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > Ionic wind still works in a vacuum to the extent that clouds of electrons > > and stray charged gas and other matter can come off the surface of the > > electrode. Aside from the slight thrust these particles provide when > > leaving the surface, the charges can accumulate to one side or another in > > the chamber and create further 'bogus' effects even in vacuum. > > > > This experiment is the devil to do right. > > I don't think it is hard to do a pretty good test :- > > (1) A fan (ie ionic wind) enclosed in a box generates no net thrust. > Similarly a pair of fans pointing in opposite directions mounted one > on each the end of a rod, cannot turn if they are enclosed by a > balloon or large bag which is attached so that it has to turn with > the rod. This is all that is required to overcome ionic wind. > Make the bag slightly conductive and earth it via the suspension > wire so that it cannot build up a potential high enough to produce > ionic wind on its *outside* surface and the problem is solved. > > (2) Insist that in order to "test positive" the suspended device > has to make at least one full turn. This overcomes all the > unbalanced "accumulation of charges" effects which could cause it > to swing to a preferred position. It can at most only swing 180 > degrees to a new equilibrium. After that it needs some method of > commutation as per an electric motor in order to change the > potential to get it to accelerate further. Without commutation > it can only overshoot the 180 degree mark somewhat and then swing > back. > > Surely this is simple! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 21:22:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22739; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:22:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:22:21 -0700 X-ROUTED: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:17:50 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <3546ABE4.B96B4704@southconn.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:26:12 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: J. Naudlin, TT Brown, Electrostatic wind tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tSmUH2.0.BZ5.yhgHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4595 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Found on J. Naudlins' pages some of the tests he made for electrostatic wind....see page below...about middle of page...also see real audio video....steve opelc http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/images/elg02.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 21:51:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29098; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:51:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:51:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3546B0E6.6B56@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:47:34 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: J. Naudlin, TT Brown, Electrostatic wind tests References: <3546ABE4.B96B4704@southconn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_xnPr3.0.Z67.A7hHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4596 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! With regard to the T.T. Brown experiments...I understood the effect was present using either AC or DC. With DC, there is definitely an ion wind because of motion in a preferred direction...with AC, such an effect would cancel out, thus there is something else going on that simply ion wind. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 22:00:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18788; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:25:25 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Voltage stepper In-Reply-To: <01BD72EE.262E66C0@pm3-142.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fExBO1.0.Tb4.zFhHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4597 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Where do you get these little critters? Thx Chris At 09:39 PM 4/28/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >---------- >From: Tom Miller[SMTP:tom@gorge.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 7:46 PM >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Voltage stepper > >>For cheap and dirty, why not try a *stun gun*? > >>many use 9v battery, and output ~50kv. I think >>it is either AC or pulsed DC?? > > >Amen, brother! I used a stun gun many times to run HV experiments. That is, before I got my Wimshurst machine up and running. I think my stun gun puts out 40kV. Maybe something like this would work for Biefield-Brown experiments? > >Kyle R. Mcallister > >(who has been shocked by his stun gun, and doesn't think it hurts...too much) > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Apr 28 22:24:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02791; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:24:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:24:12 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <354666F4.10D5FE57@southconn.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:16:16 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"8jag72.0.Rh.xbhHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4598 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve - > I don't know what the weight was, but do you > think the ionic wind would have been strong > enough to lift it in a vacumn? I suspect that > using the lightest materials of the time, would > not have been......steve opelc >From the reaction force of the wind alone, no. From the accumulation of charge and charged molecules on the walls of the chamber and other nearby structures from both expelled charge and induced charge causing an electrostatic force field, definitely yes. That's the problem, and it's virtually impossible to escape. There's only two ways I can imagine that *might* (might not!) defeat these demons. One is to try it in deep space. The other more practical solution is to try it in multiple comparison tests with careful measurement of the behavior of test objects that vary only in one parameter, like mass for instance. Have weight, surface area, dielectric constant, conductivity, outgassing effects, surrounding objects like vacuum chamber walls, etc. all constant. Just have materials of different mass density. Yes, that means some of the objects would have to have a different composition and density in the center (hollow), etc. to keep the shape and size the same. That shouldn't be a factor. The effect is alleged to depend on mass density as well as other things. More massive objects, all other things being the same, should move proportionally more due to the effect. That runs contrary to any electrostatic or ionic effect, and would prove BB once and for all. I like John's idea too about enclosing a much simpler test rig, perhaps similar to what Jean-Louis was doing. That might work, but I don't think it would ever be really as convincing as we'd want it to be. I think the problems just keep layering on even then, even earthed. HV is *so* obnoxious, so fluid, so sneaky. It goes anywhere it wants, and makes its presence felt when it goes there. It charges up even a large volume of air, and the net accumulation can easily have significant effects. I remember Jean-Louis talking about how there was no perceptible air movement at one point, implying that there was no ionic effect. Problem is that a tiny and imperceptible movement of a large mass of air has a reaction force capable of shifting a delicate balance mechanism if its coupled to it. Like John Schnurer once said "HV couples to everything". - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 29 01:35:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07081; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804290832.BAA06531@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Deyo Experiment-tests confirmed Resent-Message-ID: <"oAaYW2.0.Yk1.gOkHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4599 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle and all, At 08:10 PM 4/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all: > >I have tested the Deyo setup with a piece of 18AWG wire strung between two wood beams, and powered by a car battery. When the voltage was positive to my left (I was facing the wire), the wire moved away from me. When negative to my left, it moved toward me. I noted last night that the magnetic fields surround the wire with a certain spin direction. The Rambaut spinning ball experiment may indicate that there is some interaction between the spin of the magnetic field and the experimental setup. Also, Deyo notes that when small pieces of paper are attached to a thinner wire, the pieces of paper twist in one direction around the wire. I must gain more info on this effect, and plan to continue my experiments. Note that this twist of the paper may indicate a magnetic spin interaction also. > Last Nov. I and others did these low voltage tests and came to the conclusion that the wire movement was from the IxB force, where the magnetic field came from another part of the wire, or the earth's magnetic field. The second can be determined by rotating your experiment 90 or 180 deg. My tests also eliminated the Rambaut spinning ball effect- pass the current through the wires, but not the ball and compare your results. I did find my brass ball was slightly magnetic, though. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 29 10:46:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02485; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:46:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199804290832.BAA06531@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:43:32 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Deyo Experiment-tests confirmed Resent-Message-ID: <"KCDwq.0.kc.pTsHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4600 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > Last Nov. I and others did these low voltage > tests and came to the conclusion that the wire > movement was from the IxB force, where the > magnetic field came from another part of the > wire, or the earth's magnetic field. It might be interesting then to try it with a stiff wire bent to shape - like perhaps use the same wire but tape it firmly to some lightweight card stock or something to brace it so it can't bend or twist. You'd have to knife-hinge the contact points at the supporting ends so it could pivot if it wanted to. It should be null. But if whole rigid thing swings over and works about the same in different orientations vs. the earth's magnetic field, then maybe something strange is happening? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 29 13:28:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26869; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD7382.DB928FC0@pm3-161.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Deyo Experiment-tests confirmed Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:24:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD7382.DB9BB780" Resent-Message-ID: <"Vjte82.0.kZ6.JruHr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4601 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7382.DB9BB780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: dave dameron[SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 3:32 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Deyo Experiment-tests confirmed >My tests >also eliminated the Rambaut spinning ball effect- pass the current = through >the wires, but not the ball and compare your results. I did find my = brass >ball was slightly magnetic, though. Not guite sure what you mean. Can you elaborate on this above passage a = bit? Kyle R. Mcallister P.S.: The magnetic field of the earth apparently did not interact with = the wire test. It must be a different magnetic field. 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Reply-to: aquarius@t-link.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <354666F4.10D5FE57@southconn.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"kA7ia1.0.ZE.QXxHr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4602 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all, I wonder why the work Brown was doing at Winterhaven was subsequently classified in the 1950's, if the whole thing was just a weak ionic wind? Possibly the effect was not what he thought, but apparently it was not weak. Thomas Valone's book ElectroGravitic Systems makes a case for the Air Force developing things further, and subsequently using denatured uranium as a very high dielectric material on wing leading edges. There is also a report of a successful replication of the basic two disc spinner by Larry Deavenport in the proceedings of the 1996 ISNE conference in Denver. He got as much as 60 rpm using in the vicinity of 50kv. This does not rule out ionic wind of course. Some mention was made by Rho Sigma in Ether Technology that there was some audio frequencies that accompianied Brown's more impressive demonstrations, but whether that was power supply artifact or intentional design is not known. > This experiment is the devil to do right. > - Rick Monteverde Could there have been some sloppy yet fortuitous factor at work here? Maybe too clean and fussy is not the answer.... Just a thought, considering that the work places of "ye olde Natural Philosophers" were not so tidy. Regards, Alastair Couper aquarius@t-link.net Aquarian Electronics Maui,Hawaii http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/aquarian.htm