From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 1 16:32:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16200; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:32:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:32:24 -0700 Message-ID: <354A5B32.684653D1@harti.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 01:30:58 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Who is building a GIT ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ee6si3.0.1z3.7kbIr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4603 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I want to spend some money to let build someone a professional GIT. Who is also building a GIT in this moment ? Please let me know, so we can talk about the best configurations. Thanks. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 1 18:58:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04479; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD7542.EC26D0A0@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Who is building a GIT ? Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:51:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD7542.EC2E71C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"7bdJr3.0.q51.asdIr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4604 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7542.EC2E71C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Stefan Hartmann[SMTP:harti@harti.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 6:30 PM To: newman-list; freenrg-l Subject: Who is building a GIT ? >Who is also building a GIT in this moment ? >Please let me know, so we can talk about the best configurations. >Thanks. >Regards, Stefan. I am building a GIT. I have built one before, and observed some = anomalous effects, but I wish to confirm that I was not being plagued by = bogus effects. I am willing to discuss configurations with you if you'd = like. Kyle R. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ee6si3.0.1z3.7kbIr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4603 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I want to spend some money to let build someone a professional GIT. Who is also building a GIT in this moment ? Please let me know, so we can talk about the best configurations. Thanks. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 2 18:15:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19978; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:10:40 -0400 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Orthogonal Flux Gate Efficiency Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199805022110_MC2-3BBB-37B6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id SAA19933 Resent-Message-ID: <"LDOSW1.0.3u4.yJyIr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4605 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Orthogonal Flux Gate Efficiency by Ralph Griffin, May 1998 One of the lesser known forms of power conversion and control in the realm of electromagnetics is called the orthogonal flux gate. It consists of two magnetic paths. These two paths will be referred to here as the primary and secondary magnetic path, which should not be confused with the primary and secondary coils of a standard transformer. The two magnetic paths intersect at right angles in a common zone which will be referred to here as the magnetic intersection zone. When sufficient magnetic flux density is forced to flow through the primary magnetic path, it will saturate the magnetic material in the magnetic intersection zone, and thus it will impede the magnetic flux in the secondary path. Thus the name "Orthogonal Flux Gate" is used because it acts like a flux gate for the secondary which is driven by the flux of the primary. This primary flux is orthogonal (perpendicular) to the secondary flux. Now the question may arise, what if we have a permanent magnet and a coil in the secondary magnetic path, and what if we apply an alternating magnitude of flux on the primary. Would that cause an alternating voltage on the coil of the secondary magnetic path? Could we use that alternating voltage to power a load? What reason do we have to believe that the amount of power required to drive the primary is necessarily greater than or equal to the amount of power that can be obtained from the secondary? The answer to the first two questions is yes. The answer to the last question is the subject of the remainder of this text. The law of conservation of energy (direct or implied) will be carefully avoided in the analysis that follows since the law itself is the subject of the question to be answered. Additional details of the assembly will become more apparent as the analysis proceeds by using an electric circuit to model the magnetic circuit. OK. It is too big to post it here. I was hoping one of you WEB managers would volunteer to post it on the WEB. It's just 18K of text and 16K of SPICE circuit description file (mostly comments). I started this analysis for myself because I wanted to know for certain if the idea was worth perusing or not, and because I wanted to improve my understanding of this kind of device so I could consider its application in combination with other electromagnetic techniques. I felt that an analysis would be better than a "try it and see" approach because the analysis would allow me to easily adjust multiple variables and quickly analyze each set instead of testing only one model. By the time I was done with the analysis, the job had grown into something presentable, and so here it is. The conclusion is that the device complies with the law of conservation of energy, but the equations, assumptions and models are all there to play with and challenge. About a month ago, someone here mentioned something about using high frequency flux as a means of switching flux in a perpendicular direction. I think this information would be applicable to such a device. P.S. I am on this list in digest mode, so my responce may be a bit slow. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 2 22:32:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27725; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:29:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:29:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980503145737.00849330@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 14:57:37 +0900 To: From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Need some help with 386 Bios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2oxdY.0.6n6.v20Jr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4606 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have been playing with a 386 phoenix computer bios I set both disk drives to not connected and am know unable to get back in The C drive still functions as per normal The normal press delete to run setup does not appear again I have pressed delete F1 to no success If some one on this list cab give me a Hint to get back in please it would be helpful to me Geoff Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me. Like to hear from You From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 3 00:50:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08716; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:50:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: <354C20FE.1F8D@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 02:47:10 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: egel@main.murray.net.au CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 386 memory restore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6O-sD1.0.482.G72Jr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4607 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Geoff et al! I might be mistaken, but I think if you just take the battery off or unplug the bios chip and short the pins it will all go back to default...I had to do this on a computer at work (a 286) and it went back to default. Someone had snuck in a password when I was on vacation and I could not access the settings....but it worked for me...wonder what you are doing with it....... Here are some excerpts from DejaNews which I have in the Information Sources box on KeelyNet, a wonderful way to get chatty type info very quickly and from more than one source; --------------------------- Any application program you use calls on DOS for date and time, but won't directly access the clock-- except for certain utilites like CMOS_RAM which is designed to restore CMOS if the on board battery fails. 386 and 286 use the same system memory as the original IBM PC which includes only 2 digits for year in the CMOS clock. BIOS does nothing other than increment the clock. ------------------------ There are a great many public-domain utilities that do this. The following files can be downloaded from; ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysutl/ cmos14.zip - 5965 920817 Saves/restores CMOS to/from file cmoser11.zip - 28323 910721 386/286 enhanced CMOS setup program cmosram.zip - 76096 920214 Save AT/386/486 CMOS data to file and restore rom2.zip - 15692 900131 Save AT and 386 CMOS data to file and restore setup21.zip - 18172 880613 Setup program which modifies CMOS RAM viewcmos.zip - 11068 900225 Display contents of AT CMOS RAM, w/C source A program to check and display CMOS memory (but not write to it) is downloadable as part of: ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsutle22.zip ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysutl/tsutle22.zip Good reports of CMOS299.ZIP have been posted: ftp://cantva.canterbury.ac.nz/pub/pc/cmos299.zip Of the above, my only experience is with CMOSRAM, which seems to work fine. It contains an excellent (and witty) .DOC file that explains the hardware involved and gives specific recommendations for preventing disaster or recovering from it. It's $5 shareware. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 3 04:11:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09871; Sun, 3 May 1998 04:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 04:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <354C1951.5284@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 09:14:25 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Need some help with 386 Bios References: <3.0.5.32.19980503145737.00849330@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"AYEwP1.0.7Q2.O35Jr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4608 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com GEOFF EGEL wrote: > > I have been playing with a 386 phoenix computer bios > I set both disk drives to not connected and am know unable to get back Seems like you accidentally disabled BIOS access via the Delete key. The only way to get into BIOS now is by disconnecting the motherboard's buffer battery. Open the machine and look for the battery - mostly a small, fat cylinder of loud blue colour. Try to look for a jumper closeby that enables you to disconnect the battery. If there's none, you would have to use a soldering iron to disconnect the battery. Leave it disconnected overnight, then reconnect and switch n the machine - Delete shuld bring you into BIOS now, which has been reset to default settings. You might have to key in the harddisk data again, so make sure you have them at hand. ________________________________________________________ Juergen Heinzerling ++++ Author & Investigator "I won't be corrupted. Not for the money they'd pay me." http://home.t-online.de/home/heinzerling_clan@t-online.de mailto: heinzerling_clan@t-online.de From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 3 07:40:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08891; Sun, 3 May 1998 07:40:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 07:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: <354C9F52.5D1F@inetnow.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 09:46:10 -0700 From: Randy Hargraves Reply-To: hargraves@inetnow.com Organization: Hargraves International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets References: <2.2.32.19980419063834.00693d2c@mail.wincom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x3Zcz2.0.hA2.G78Jr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4609 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com wood wrote: > > At 05:02 PM 4/18/98 -0700, you wrote: > > > >but to all so how to make a sphere with the whole exterior one pole > >while the the most center part of the core is the opposite pole. > > > >Does that sound impossible? > >Well, It's NOT!!!!!!! > > > > Ok smart guy tell us how to do it. Thought experiments are great but there > comes a time you have to prove your point with a real demonstration. > Woody > > Woody ___________________________ I woody I Guess this was directed to me. I don't get to all My e-mail, sorry if i am slow. take 8 ball bearings made of a metal that of course will maintain its magnetic status once that it is magnatized. Grind it down to while you have 1/8 sphere or 1/4 of half of a sphere. Magnatize each of the 8 peaces, with the point as the north pole and the rounded out side part that will make up the surface of the sphere alined so as to be come the south pole. Super glue two at a time togather, then glue each of the paired units to gather, and then the two remaining units of four. waaa laaa I at one time planed to heli arc them but I thank that would heavily distort the whole field. So, as to make a finer smoother field surface field i would use say 32 ball bearings each of which would provide me with a 1/32 of one sphere. or if you think of it like this divide each of the 1/8th peaces in to 4. but since thier is a lose of matirial when you divid a slice or cone , just use more bearings. Ya see its just a machanical thing. Or a Puzzle. Randy Elston Hargraves 966 Castlebury Mansion Yukon Oklahoma. 73099-2102 1-405-354-0033 hargraves@inetnow.com Wish I had the money to commssion a couple to be made. I someone has the oppratunity and or capibility to make some I sure would like to hear from you . I think that there would surly be a market for them, even though they may have a high price tag. as far as uses????? but then who would have ever dreamed of al the uses of regular magnets. in this system we have to have the typical n-s magnets. but just imagine for a minite of the future system that depended just as much on a magnets with a hiden center opposing pole. what kind of a world would that be??? And to think that you could have a part in bringing that world to the forfrount. Ya see I want to play too. Randy Elston Hargraves From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 3 08:50:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21847; Sun, 3 May 1998 08:50:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:50:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199805031550.IAA19749@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:51:50 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M0YV83.0.GL5.399Jr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4610 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com My guess is that the super-glue joint would actually be a very tiny gap in which you would find all the returning lines of flux concentrated. --Gary. ---------- > From: Randy Hargraves > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets > Date: Sunday, May 03, 1998 9:46 AM > > > take 8 ball bearings made of a metal that of course will maintain its > magnetic status once that it is magnatized. > > Grind it down to while you have 1/8 sphere or 1/4 of half of a sphere. > > Magnatize each of the 8 peaces, with the point as the north pole > and the rounded out side part that will make up the surface of the > sphere > alined so as to be come the south pole. > > Super glue two at a time togather, > then glue each of the paired units to gather, > and then the two remaining units of four. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 3 20:25:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28475; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: K easy Message-ID: <1af203f1.354d3492@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:22:57 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coil designs to try / unusual magnets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"cupRg.0.qy6.YKJJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4611 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 5/3/98 7:41:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hargraves@inetnow.com writes: << take 8 ball bearings made of a metal that of course will maintain its magnetic status once that it is magnatized. Grind it down to while you have 1/8 sphere or 1/4 of half of a sphere. Magnatize each of the 8 peaces, with the point as the north pole and the rounded out side part that will make up the surface of the sphere alined so as to be come the south pole. Super glue two at a time togather, then glue each of the paired units to gather, and then the two remaining units of four. >> Randy, While this sounds like a reasonable plan, I think when you try put the pieces together they will be very unfriendly with each other, and to the extent you suceed the flux you see on the outside will return to the inside through the cracks (glue) between the pieces. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 4 15:21:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02374; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:20:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:20:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: High voltage power supply wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RsJOL.0.ua.1zZJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4612 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Oops, old mail I should have forwarded to here. Anyone have something like this for sale? Reply to fleischwulf@mailexcite.com, since he's not on the freenrg-L list. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 05:48:06 -0700 From: Leben Lang und Frei To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: High voltage power supply Bill, I have seen a lot of your articles and I think you might be able to help me. I am in need of a power supply capable of delivering 30 - 40 kv at a power level of =>500w. Do you have any suggestions ? Do you know of anyone who might have something for sale ? Thanks, Paul Marshall --- Einigkeit und Freiheit Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 4 16:19:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16614; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <354E75B0.41C1@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:13:04 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: large discharge-caps? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qUicO2.0.U34.4qaJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4613 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty wrote: > > Here's the bilder of the "water-gun", from DANGEROUS CAPACITOR > EXPERIMENTS. Can anyone here help him track down some big discharge caps? > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:37:39 -0700 > From: cpihl > To: billb@eskimo.com > Subject: more "water gun" > > > > ps. i'm looking for some(cheap) HV pulse-discharge caps. i've tried > contacting the person with the "giant pulse-discharge caps" but the > email address is wrong. > > sincerely > chris pihl What a shame! I just sold off my huge caps. He just missed 2 matched 14.0 ufd, 40 kv caps with only 11 nanohenries of series inductance, 2 Sangamo 8.0 ufd 30 kv monsters, and a meezly 2.0 ufd 40 kv Samgamo. (you don't what to know what these sole for, but I'm glad I sold them to someone who lives beyond the probable blast zone from my house! I even had to help deliver them to his shop, on the second floor of course..) But if you can live below the 11 kilojoule per cap range, I may still have some 'smaller' caps in the 20 to 40 kv range. Just what do you need? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 4 21:21:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04185; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:17:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:17:36 -0700 From: NLSilliman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 00:14:40 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re: magnetic monopole Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"JDbPV3.0.B11.SBfJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4614 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In regard to the machanical process of making a monopole, here is posting of a fellow on the newsgroup sci.physics.research that describes his results. ----------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Albers Newsgroups: sci.physics.research Subject: Re: Artificial Magnetic monopole... Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 2:24 AM OK! I've recieved enough mail, the answer is in line with a closed surface, once the two halfs of the sphere are put together (its a dodecahedron), the fields compleately disappear, the shpere becomes non-magnetic, external magnets will NOT stick to it, which I find interesting, but may just be my lack of understanding. I expected the result (no field), though it does raise some interesting questions. The sphere is under stress, it will fly apart if not held together, where is this potential energy stored, and in what form? I suspect the answer is in the stress induced into the crystal lattice when I pushed the 2 halfs together, though how the lattice communicates that potential force I don't really understand... Any explanation would be appreciated ! OH, one more thing I plan on trying, if I drill a small hole in the sphere, insert a wire to the center, and put a huge charge using my vandegraff between the outer shell and the inner point, where will the charge reside? It SHOULD sit on the outer surface, yet the opposite pole will be inside the sphere... Thanks for listening! Eric Albers ealbers@lplizard.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this is of some help. Norm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 04:57:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19275; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:57:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:57:46 -0700 Message-ID: <354EFE68.A9B00415@harti.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:56:24 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shilo, Mark" , freenrg-l Subject: Re: GIT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hN89t.0.3j4.vwlJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4615 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Shilo, Mark wrote: > Stefan, > > Please don't take this message to mean I am close minded, or one of the > evil conspirators, or anything equally kooky or bad. > > I had a good look at the GIT web sites, and this is what I have come up > with: > > 1/ consider a GIT with the circular races in the vertical plane, as if > you are looking at a circle on the screen. > 2/ consider the motion of one ball only, travelling clockwise. > 3/ ball travels fast (left to right) at the top of the circle. > 4/ ball travels slow (right to left) at bottom of circle. > 5/ force equivalent to the centripetal force acts outward on the race, > and if you plot the force vectors from the center of the circle, you get > a skewed circle....add up the vectors, and you get a net vertical > lifting force. Yippee!............ > > 6/ consider the question: 'how did the ball go from being slow along the > bottom, to fast along the top?' > 7/ simplify the circular race to a square race, ie. you are now looking > at a square on the screen, with ball travels fast (left to right) at the > top, ball travels slow (right to left) at bottom, as before. > 8/ the ball must accelerate from slow at bottom, to fast at top. It > does this up the left side of the square (circle). > 9/ it accelerates by converting its own fastspin/slow linear speed to > slowspin/fast linear speed. > 10/ in doing this, it is applying a downward force on the left race, as > it accelerates up the left side - exactly the same as a car tyre > accelerates (linearly) by pushing on the road. > > Now: > 11/ consider the question: 'how did the ball go from being fast along > the top, to slow along the bottom?' > 12/ the ball must decelerate from fast at top, to slow at bottom. It > does this down the right side of the square (circle). > 13/ it decelerates by converting its own slowspin/fast linear speed to > fastspin/slow linear speed. > 14/ in doing this, it is again applying a downward force on the right > race, as it decelerates down the right side - exactly the same as an > aircraft landing gear tyre spins up, by pushing on the runway(, or > decelerates linearly). > > The results are now: centripetal up + down on left + down on > right.........they are always going to add up to a net nothing. > No net force is converted to torque. > > It is my humble opinion that the small avi's of the tests of the GIT in > the bathtub show thrust due to wave action in the bath water, or > inadvertent assistance from the operator, and that the net thrust > demonstrated by displacing the pendulum is due to error and wishful > thinking. > > I think you may find better uses for your money than spending it on the > GIT. However, according to the description and pictures of the > prototype, it can be made very cheaply and easily if you really need > something to do! > > Best Regards, > Mark Shilo Sorry, but the successfull pendulum test, where the GIT stays OFF center a few cms just hanging on a string is proof enough. 2 guys have already shown this and won prices in a science fair ! Look for the GIT links on Davidīs pages ! It just works and your explanation does not apply ! My friend Dieter Bauer is already working on an exact mathematical explanation and he says it can be explained by mathematical terms. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 10:59:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21007; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:57:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:57:36 -0700 Message-ID: <354F7038.C13@inetnow.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:02:00 -0700 From: Randy Hargraves Reply-To: hargraves@inetnow.com Organization: Hargraves International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: magnetic monopole References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"87n3y1.0.785.FCrJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4616 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hey !!!!! Neat Randy E. Hargraves NLSilliman wrote: > > In regard to the machanical process of making a monopole, > here is posting of a fellow on the newsgroup sci.physics.research > that describes his results. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > From: Eric Albers > Newsgroups: sci.physics.research > Subject: Re: Artificial Magnetic monopole... > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 2:24 AM > > OK! > I've recieved enough mail, the answer is in line with a closed > surface, once the two halfs of the sphere are put together (its > a dodecahedron), the fields compleately disappear, the shpere > becomes non-magnetic, external magnets will NOT stick to it, which > I find interesting, but may just be my lack of understanding. > I expected the result (no field), though it does raise some interesting > questions. > The sphere is under stress, it will fly apart if not held together, > where is this potential energy stored, and in what form? > I suspect the answer is in the stress induced into the crystal > lattice when I pushed the 2 halfs together, though how the lattice > communicates that potential force I don't really understand... > Any explanation would be appreciated ! > OH, one more thing I plan on trying, if I drill a small hole in the > sphere, insert a wire to the center, and put a huge charge using my > vandegraff between the outer shell and the inner point, where will > the charge reside? It SHOULD sit on the outer surface, yet the > opposite pole will be inside the sphere... > > Thanks for listening! > > Eric Albers > ealbers@lplizard.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hope this is of some help. > > Norm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 11:20:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05060; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: SMOT theory revised Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au, jnaudin509@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 May 98 19:09:27 +0100 Message-Id: <98050519092731600@odin.dreams.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"HCRa2.0.vE1.FXrJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4617 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The SMOT-article by Dieter Bauer http://www.overunity.com/magmotor/magmotor.htm at http://www.overunity.com/theory.htm is revised. It is shown there that SMOT works only if the susceptibility of the magnetic material depends on dH/dx ( not on H as suggested previously). This material properties are quite uncommon for standard electric engineering but it can be found perhaps under certain circumstances. Therefore hope exists that a reasonable explanation according to physics can be found. Furthermore the article sums up some analog situations (cycles with a time-invariant non-linear capacity and inductivity) where no overunity is possible according standard electrodynamics. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 13:23:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23554; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <354EFE68.A9B00415@harti.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:20:11 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: GIT Resent-Message-ID: <"WBMIq2.0.ul5.fKtJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4618 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan - > Sorry, but the successfull pendulum test, > where the GIT stays OFF center a few cms just > hanging on a string is proof enough. I disagree. A simple gyro can do this. You need to have the body of the device sit outside a vertical reference line from it's upper suspension point to constitute proof. Otherwise it is certainly suggestive, but leaves the door open to ambiguous interpretation and therefore can't be considered proof. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 13:50:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA32337; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:47:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:47:48 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:27:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Message-ID: <19980505.163334.7670.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199804280136.SAA20058@rio.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,10-11,13-15 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"XM7VT2.0.4v7.ohtJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4619 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:37:34 -0700 "Gary Shannon" writes: >I tried with 85Kv several months ago and got no measurable effect. >When I get around to it I'd like to try with higher voltages. > >--Gary. > According to Dr. Rolf Schaffranke's (Rho Sigma) book "Ether Technology", the effect requires 100kV, and was most pronounced at 150kV. I have loaned the book to a friend, or I would confirm it with a page number. This was (and still is) a primary reason why I have not tested the effect myself. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 15:05:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10879; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:11:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Faraday cage question Message-ID: <19980505.163334.7670.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <35423AB0.EB324637@darknet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,18-20 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"F_4jI2.0.rf2.SquJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4620 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:34:08 -0400 Steve writes: >Hi all, > .. All the information I've seen so far on >EM shielding has been focused on shielding from outside EM fields. I'm >hoping it will work both ways, but I'm not sure.. can anyone help? > >thanks.. >-Steve >-- Gary has pointed out that they work both ways. Sounds like to me that you are setting up a "screen room". When I was in the Air Force, we used a screen room to prevent the transmitters we were maintaining from interfering from local radar and communications. Now, with my present employer, we use the same model screen room to prevent interference from the outside world interfering with receiver checkouts. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 18:14:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11346; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD7861.E1B5F0C0@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: GIT Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD7861.E1BF1880" Resent-Message-ID: <"JTN6_.0.Bn2.ybxJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4621 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7861.E1BF1880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Rick Monteverde[SMTP:monteverde@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 3:20 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GIT >I disagree. A simple gyro can do this. What really makes a gyro do this, anyways? I've heard of it, but don't know why it happens. Kyle R. 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Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Aluminum balls needed Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:12:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xK_pL2.0.Ml5.2cxJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: If anyone is willing to sell me 2 aluminum balls at least 2cm in diameter, or knows where I can get some, let me know. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 18:58:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23531; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:14:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:14:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD7862.2FDBBD20@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Aluminum balls needed Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:12:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xK_pL2.0.Ml5.2cxJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: If anyone is willing to sell me 2 aluminum balls at least 2cm in diameter, or knows where I can get some, let me know. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 19:15:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10012; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:15:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:15:40 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD7861.E1B5F0C0@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:15:09 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: RE: GIT Resent-Message-ID: <"8x4oW3.0.LS2.BVyJr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4623 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > What really makes a gyro do this, anyways? Conservation of momentum. :) I think you'd have to do it with pairs of counter rotating gyros in a box to reduce unwanted torques, but I suppose it works if you just have a mechanism up-end a spinning gyro (pair) so that spin about a vertical axis becomes spin around a horizontal axis. The gyro's mass should now be over to one side of the box. If the gyros are in a box hanging from a midpoint connection, it would shift off to one side a bit, just like the GIT is claimed to do. Basically just a gyro stabilized box; it will hang funny. Proof of GIT might also be by weighing in a system that properly damps out all surges by the device. The Dean Drive worked on a bathroom scale, but not when it was weighed accurately with the proper equipment. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 19:25:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24927; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD7862.2FDBBD20@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:22:40 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Aluminum balls needed Resent-Message-ID: <"W348i1.0.I56.7eyJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4624 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > If anyone is willing to sell me 2 aluminum > balls at least 2cm in diameter, or knows > where I can get some, let me know. Make a little sand mold from a marble and cast them yourself? A wooden mold frame, a propane torch and a small tin can is all you need, + aluminum. "I like melting stuff." - Phoebe's cousin - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 20:14:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04111; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD7872.86E98E20@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Aluminum balls needed Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD7872.878FE040" Resent-Message-ID: <"xtUec.0.501.iLzJr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4625 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7872.878FE040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Rick Monteverde[SMTP:monteverde@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 9:22 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Aluminum balls needed >Make a little sand mold from a marble and cast them yourself? A wooden = mold >frame, a propane torch and a small tin can is all you need, + aluminum. Hmmm...didn't think of that. Any conductive metal should do. I need them = for a spark gap on my (now functional) Wimshurst machine. Thanks for the = suggestion. Kyle R. 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The same can be said of the neutral center within a charged sphere. A _point_ in space that coincides with a higher dimensionality, and which can be tapped to instigate a flow. >OH, one more thing I plan on trying, if I drill a small hole in the >sphere, insert a wire to the center, and put a huge charge using my >vandegraff between the outer shell and the inner point, where will >the charge reside? It SHOULD sit on the outer surface, yet the >opposite pole will be inside the sphere... > The charge will accelerate to the circumference. But, in doing so, you've lost that point. A non-invasive method is needed, such as sympathetic resonance. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 23:18:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27101; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060616.XAA24276@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: SMOT theory revised Resent-Message-ID: <"mbCmg.0.Id6.T20Kr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4627 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan and all, At 07:09 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >The SMOT-article by Dieter Bauer >http://www.overunity.com/magmotor/magmotor.htm >at >http://www.overunity.com/theory.htm >is revised. >It is shown there that SMOT works only if the susceptibility of the >magnetic material depends on dH/dx ( not on H as suggested previously). >This material properties are quite uncommon for standard electric >engineering but it can be found perhaps under certain circumstances. Therefore >hope exists that a reasonable explanation according to physics can be >found. Can Dieter look into the case where the permeability cannot be written in a Taylor series ( eqn. 9 in H^2)? I am thinking of ferromagnetic materials that have hysteresis, so permeability(H) is not a single valued function. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 5 23:52:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01297; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:52:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD7872.86E98E20@pm3-116.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:49:51 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: RE: Aluminum balls needed Resent-Message-ID: <"wftbD2.0.6K.ZY0Kr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4628 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle - > Any conductive metal should do. I think the Tesla coil people use brass. You might find that in a lighting fixture shop as ornamental lamp parts. If the sparks aren't too hot and don't weld too much, you could use fluxless solder to make the spheres. You can easily use a plaster mold for such a lower melt metal. You can use plaster for aluminum too, but you need to reinforce it with fiberglass, make it thin, and vent it well with pinholes or you'll get a bad casting or the mold will crack apart. Pouring the metal in the mold while it sits in a tin can with a line attached would let you swing it around for some centrifugal compression to get porosity out of the metal. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 05:40:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA30308; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:40:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: <35505A2B.33A71E62@harti.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:40:12 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT theory revised References: <199805060616.XAA24276@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IqXrK.0.TP7.Lf5Kr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4629 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com dave dameron wrote: > Hi Stefan and all, > At 07:09 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: > >The SMOT-article by Dieter Bauer > >http://www.overunity.com/magmotor/magmotor.htm > >at > >http://www.overunity.com/theory.htm > >is revised. > >It is shown there that SMOT works only if the susceptibility of the > >magnetic material depends on dH/dx ( not on H as suggested previously). > >This material properties are quite uncommon for standard electric > >engineering but it can be found perhaps under certain circumstances. Therefore > >hope exists that a reasonable explanation according to physics can be > >found. > Can Dieter look into the case where the permeability cannot be written in a > Taylor series ( eqn. 9 in H^2)? I am thinking of ferromagnetic materials > that have hysteresis, so permeability(H) is not a single valued function. > -Dave Hi Dave, I have forwared your question to Dieter, cause he wrote this article. Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 05:52:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26672; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35505C49.9D1150F3@harti.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:49:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: GIT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QOiLf1.0.dW6.np5Kr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4630 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick Monteverde wrote: > Stefan - > > > Sorry, but the successfull pendulum test, > > where the GIT stays OFF center a few cms just > > hanging on a string is proof enough. > > I disagree. A simple gyro can do this. You need to have the body of the > device sit outside a vertical reference line from it's upper suspension > point to constitute proof. Otherwise it is certainly suggestive, but leaves > the door open to ambiguous interpretation and therefore can't be considered > proof. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI I disagree, cause that is not true in the case of the GIT ! It is not a simple gyro and in this case it is proof enough ! A gyro that might do this will NOT stay in a CONSTANT PLACE, but will use precession to turn around in a circle. The OFF CENTER constant displacement can only be reached with the GIT ! Do you agree ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 05:53:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01494; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:53:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:53:37 -0700 Message-ID: <35505CD8.12F30DE8@harti.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:51:36 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Bech , freenrg-l Subject: Re: GIT References: <354F746B.FE10CC01@itc-intercon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZIVgz3.0.FN.Gr5Kr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4631 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Martin Bech wrote: > I made a small version of the git and placed it on a weight, just to see > what > happened, it actually lost a few grams of its weight. (Not much though, > about > 20 grams out of the 500 grams it weighed...) > > Martin Bech, Denmark Hi, can you please hang it onto a long string (thread) (about at least 3 or 4 meters) from the ceiling and test, if it will stay OFF center and swing to one side at least a few Millimeters or already a cm ? That would be the ultimate proof ! Please let me know. Good luck. Regards, Stefan. > > > Stefan Hartmann skrev: > > > Shilo, Mark wrote: > > > > > Stefan, > > > > > > Please don't take this message to mean I am close minded, or one of > the > > > evil conspirators, or anything equally kooky or bad. > > > > > > I had a good look at the GIT web sites, and this is what I have come > up > > > with: > > > > > > 1/ consider a GIT with the circular races in the vertical plane, as > if > > > you are looking at a circle on the screen. > > > 2/ consider the motion of one ball only, travelling clockwise. > > > 3/ ball travels fast (left to right) at the top of the circle. > > > 4/ ball travels slow (right to left) at bottom of circle. > > > 5/ force equivalent to the centripetal force acts outward on the > race, > > > and if you plot the force vectors from the center of the circle, you > get > > > a skewed circle....add up the vectors, and you get a net vertical > > > lifting force. Yippee!............ > > > > > > 6/ consider the question: 'how did the ball go from being slow along > the > > > bottom, to fast along the top?' > > > 7/ simplify the circular race to a square race, ie. you are now > looking > > > at a square on the screen, with ball travels fast (left to right) at > the > > > top, ball travels slow (right to left) at bottom, as before. > > > 8/ the ball must accelerate from slow at bottom, to fast at top. It > > > > does this up the left side of the square (circle). > > > 9/ it accelerates by converting its own fastspin/slow linear speed > to > > > slowspin/fast linear speed. > > > 10/ in doing this, it is applying a downward force on the left race, > as > > > it accelerates up the left side - exactly the same as a car tyre > > > accelerates (linearly) by pushing on the road. > > > > > > Now: > > > 11/ consider the question: 'how did the ball go from being fast > along > > > the top, to slow along the bottom?' > > > 12/ the ball must decelerate from fast at top, to slow at bottom. > It > > > does this down the right side of the square (circle). > > > 13/ it decelerates by converting its own slowspin/fast linear speed > to > > > fastspin/slow linear speed. > > > 14/ in doing this, it is again applying a downward force on the > right > > > race, as it decelerates down the right side - exactly the same as an > > > > aircraft landing gear tyre spins up, by pushing on the runway(, or > > > decelerates linearly). > > > > > > The results are now: centripetal up + down on left + down on > > > right.........they are always going to add up to a net nothing. > > > No net force is converted to torque. > > > > > > It is my humble opinion that the small avi's of the tests of the GIT > in > > > the bathtub show thrust due to wave action in the bath water, or > > > inadvertent assistance from the operator, and that the net thrust > > > demonstrated by displacing the pendulum is due to error and wishful > > > thinking. > > > > > > I think you may find better uses for your money than spending it on > the > > > GIT. However, according to the description and pictures of the > > > prototype, it can be made very cheaply and easily if you really need > > > > something to do! > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Mark Shilo > > > > Sorry, but the successfull pendulum test, where the GIT stays OFF > center > > a few cms just hanging on a string is proof enough. > > 2 guys have already shown this and won prices in a science fair ! > > Look for the GIT links on Davidīs pages ! > > > > It just works and your explanation does not apply ! > > My friend Dieter Bauer is already working on an exact mathematical > > explanation and he says it can be explained by mathematical terms. > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 12:46:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19597; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:46:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:46:46 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35505C49.9D1150F3@harti.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:46:08 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: GIT Resent-Message-ID: <"rV2Xe1.0.1o4.buBKr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4632 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephan - > Do you agree ? No. The balls accumulate to one side in their tracks, and there's spin around the track. You have, to some degree, an off balance gyro-stabilized object. It could be expected that it would shift over slightly and stay. It is not proof. A Dean drive weighs less on a bathroom scale too, but it is not proof. Weigh it with the proper damping with an unsprung scale and it nets zero. A GIT should be weighed in this manner. Otherwise, it sould be made to clear the vertical line in the hanging test. Those are proof. The test you describe may indeed be evidence of, and due to, a real unbalanced force of the sort we all hope to find. But it cannot be considered proof of it for the reasons given. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 13:39:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00534; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:39:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:39:37 -0700 Message-ID: <19980506204101.19691.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: GIT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"F-49e1.0.C8.7gCKr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4633 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, Couple of questions: With traditional, conservative physics, what explains the observation that the GIT travels faster on water than land? More friction should = more shooch-power....not less. If the pendulum observation is related to a gyro effect, would increased ball velocity also increase the deviation from center? [note: I have no idea if anyone has tried increasing/decreasing velocity with the pendulum test...but if it's inertial, the effect should increase with velocity?] == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 13:48:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04258; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:48:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3550CC4F.73C4B594@harti.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:47:12 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: GIT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ntb-m2.0.t11.NoCKr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4634 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick Monteverde wrote: > Stephan - > > > Do you agree ? > > No. The balls accumulate to one side in their tracks, and there's spin > around the track. You have, to some degree, an off balance gyro-stabilized > object. It could be expected that it would shift over slightly and stay. It > is not proof. Hmm, I canīt imagine and donīt understand exactly, what you mean by this... > > > A Dean drive weighs less on a bathroom scale too, but it is not proof. I donīt want to put it onto a scale, cause this really can show misinterpreted results. I just want to hang it from 1 or more threads from the ceiling and see, if it stays off center a few cms to one side to the right or to the left, nothing else ! Then it should stay at a contsant place there in the space and should not turn like a gyro precession. I guess, that this would be proof enough to show a unidirectional force into the sideways direction. > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 18:22:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20046; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070110.SAA08639@rio.com> From: "Gary Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Aluminum balls needed Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:12:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-weP02.0.4v4.FpGKr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4635 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com You might also try conductive paint on wooden balls, which you can get at any craft store. ---------- From: Kyle R. Mcallister To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: Aluminum balls needed Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:09 PM Hmmm...didn't think of that. Any conductive metal should do. I need them for a spark gap on my (now functional) Wimshurst machine. Thanks for the suggestion. Kyle R. Mcallister ---------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 19:29:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03540; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980507052636.0069a734@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:26:36 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: RE: Aluminum balls needed Resent-Message-ID: <"Mv9Ue1.0.Dt.JoHKr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:09 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Hmmm...didn't think of that. Any conductive metal should do. I need them for a spark gap on my (now functional) Wimshurst machine. Thanks for the suggestion. > >Kyle R. Mcallister Well you could go to your nearest brass simian sculpture and wait for a real cold day or since the warm weather is starting go down to your local hardware store.Go to the drawer pull section and pick out out the size of brass ball you need.There is probably a laquer on it you will have to remove but as a bonus there is a threaded hole in the ball. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 6 19:43:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07386; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070238.UAA18136@Rt66.com> From: "Jon Jacob" To: Subject: Re: Aluminum balls needed Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:57:32 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wMeTa3.0.Ep1.3_HKr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com McMaster Carr has quite a selection of balls ranging from .063 -> 2.00 inch diameter. Materials include chrome steel, 440-C/302/316 stainless, tungsten carbide, carbon steel nylon, delrin, teflon, ceramic, brass, bronze, rubber and zirconium. Best Regards, -JBJ- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1998 (C) Jon Barton Jacob Unauthorized copying subject to 25,000.00 fine per infraction --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 01:33:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14000; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:29:11 -0400 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Re: Orthogonal Flux Gate Efficiency Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: "INTERNET:jonesb9@idt.net" Cc: Free Energy List , Stuart Rae , "INTERNET:trknute@earthlink.net" Message-ID: <199805070429_MC2-3C36-ACF3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id BAA13978 Resent-Message-ID: <"S3JOq1.0.eQ3.07NKr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Jones Beene, Stuart Rae, and all, I posted on freenrg, I guess someone must have copied it over to vortex which is fine with me. I looked at patent number 4006401 on the IBM patent server. You are right. It is very similar to (but more complicated than) the device that I described. It presents a ballanced (push pull) flux drive to the magnetic path around which the load coil is wound, where as the device that I described presents an unballanced (single ended) flux drive to that magnetic path, relying on the magnetic path to partially reset itself between pulses. It is true that a higher frequency of operation produces a higher voltage output (assuming you are still driving the primary hard enough to approach satuation in the magnetic intersection zone as closely as in the case of lower frequency), but then again, you need to drive the primary with a higher voltage to approach satuation at a higher frequency. (Are we having fun yet?) So in the end you still need to drive it with a higher voltage to get a higher voltage at higher frequency. If you go up in frequency without increasing the drive voltage, then the output voltage will be less or perhaps nearly zero. I can also comment on the "Permeability vs Frequency" flux gate that you mentioned, and about which there was some discussion on freenrg back in February. I think the catch is, that the equation which states mu = B/H is true only when dealing with a linear system where the B vs H curve is a strait line intersecting the origin. Otherwise, the you can only assert that mu = dB/dH Now if you apply a high frequency signal, it may be true the mu is low in responce to that high frequency signal, and yet it may also still be true that the ratio of B over H is unchanged for the DC fields produced by the permanent magnet. So the high frequency feild has no effect on the DC field. So there is no threshold, unless you get magnatudes high enough to saturate the material, and then you are in the realm of the subject of my paper of orthogonal flux. Jones Beene wrote: > Your recent post on vortex was very interesting to me, and I am curious > about the SPICE file that was too large to post. Could you possibly > forward the file to me by private email. > > I have been tinkering along these lines for some time since reading the > US Patent #4,006,401 by Villasenor. That device is exactly the kind that > requires a low power flux gate, but I can only assume (from the apparent > lack of a commercial device and my own experience) that an > electromagnetically driven gate always requires more power to activate > than can be recovered. This does not seem logical, however. The field > from very poweful PMs ought to be able to be shunted, or at least > substantial divered, by saturating a comparatively weak orthogonal > magnet (as the patent and your post suggests). > > Others have suggested there may be a simpler way around the problem by > creating a low power flux gate with high frequency through a ferrite. > The messages paraphrased below came accross vortex in Feb. but there was > little response: > > >> Subject: Permeability vs Frequency - >> Attached is a graph from www.ferronics.com showing how frequency >> effects permeability in a T type ferrite [MnZn]. Looks like at >> 0-100KHz it has about 10,000ui and starts to drop off past 100KHz. >> At about 1MHz the permeability is about 2500ui....that's a %75 >> reduction in permeability! This should be usable if this decease >> also corresponds to how the ferrite will "conduct" external magnetic >> fluxes from permanent magnets..... >> >> see http://www.ferronics.com/tuvsf.htm if unable to decode attachment. >> >> Any ideas about whether this reaction to frequency is independent of >> amount of current? ie -- does tiny current @ high frequency have same >> effect on permeability as large current @ high frequency? What I'm >> wondering is this.......if a ferrite reacts with a decrease in >> permeability to a high frequency current.....what is the threshold >> current that will produce the effect? - And, would a small current >> have the same effect as a large one, or would a large current [at same >> freq] have a more pronounced effect? >> >> Mainly what I'm wondering is this -- Which would be more efficient >> [perhaps O/U]: 1 - apply high frequency energy to a ferrite core >> coil to reduce permeability [and hopefully it's reluctance to magnetic >> flux of permanent magnets] of the ferrite; or 2 -applying energy to >> create an electromagnet that counteracts permanent magnets. Does >> anyone have similar permeability vs frequency values for less exotic >> materials......like bolts and nails? >> >> You could have a very high frequency magnetic field turning on and >> off at a much lower frequency or changing frequency that would effect >> the conduction of flux from a permanent magnet to a coil that would be >> in tune with the low frequency alternation of the permeability not the >> high frequincy that is changing the permeability hence no back EMF! >> >> ALSO: >> Permeability vs Frequency - From: "Alastair Couper" >> I have tried the experiment you are thinking of, a few weeks ago, using >> ferrite rods. I placed a variety of coil/ winding combinations near a >> magnet and switched high frequency excitation on and off to see if >> there was a reduction in attraction. I couldn't see anything with the >> material and frequencies I was using, but am not convinced that it >> can't work with different choices of same. Since oscillating the flux >> of a coil approaching a magnet using a capacitor switched in at the >> proper moment should not require work (ie pure reactive circuit), >> there may be a way to make a reversal or neutralization of attraction. >> >> The reverse situation, whereby a DC current is used to change the high >> frequency permeability of a core, is used to "tune" the inductance in >> high power switching supplies and such circuits. One patent I have >> shows a toroid with a hollow core which holds a poloidal coil inside, >> excited by DC. Then a normal toroidal winding is placed on the >> outside. Thus the DC magnetization is crossed to the AC >> magnetization, which is curious. I also have a DC current clamp probe >> (they are usually AC only) which uses the same principle, where an >> oscillator is FM'ed by the amount of current passing through the core, >> and the frequency delta is used to compute the current. >> > > At any rate, it seems that several experimenters are working along these > lines. I would be very interested in reading your file and perhaps > sharing other information as it comes along. and Stuart Rae wrote: > With reference your recent interesting post to 'freenrg-l' on flux > > gates, I just wondered if you were aware of Villasenor de Rivas' US > patent number 4,006,401 dated February 1st 1977, entitled > "Electromagnetic Generator". It operates on the same orthogonal gating > principle you refer to, and controls the flux path of a permanent > magnet through two generator windings. > > It may be of interest for you to simulate this particular design if you > have a suitable simulation program, and feel so inclined. Villasenor de > Rivas notes in the patent's introductory remarks: > > "It is an object of the present invention to provide an electromagnetic > generator including a permanent magnet as a flux source wherein the > magnitude of the generated current increases as a function of the > frequency of the signals applied to control the direction of flux flow > from the magnet." > > I'll be most interested to read your analysis to date if you manage to > find some WEB space. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 09:34:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00659; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD79AB.77833D20@pm3-123.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: AC at 1-5Mhz needed: How do I do this? Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:29:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id JAA00628 Resent-Message-ID: <"fodIA1.0.9A.s9UKr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I need to run AC at about 1-5Mhz at about 2 amps (maybe a bit less) through a solenoid. How might I accomplish creating this kind of alternating current? I need this to produce an oscillating em field. Preferably something cheap. (less than $100) Also: How might I go about levitating a piece of bismuth with an EM field or something similar? Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 7 10:18:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09009; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3551EC39.A01F3259@bway.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:15:37 -0400 From: Khem Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Faraday cage question References: <35423AB0.EB324637@darknet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9HtPn1.0.fC2.VpUKr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a question about faraday cages.. Take a look, if you will, at this page: http://www.elfinco.com/ They offer a concrete mix that conducts electricity. It's used in TEMPEST-class installations, so it might serve your purposes as well. -Khem From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 8 06:08:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19386; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:08:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:08:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bd7a81$d4543460$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: AC at 1-5Mhz needed: How do I do this? Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"-hiaY1.0.lk4.sEmKr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > >I need to run AC at about 1-5Mhz at about 2 amps (maybe a bit less) through a solenoid. How might I accomplish creating this kind of alternating current? I need this to produce an oscillating em field. Preferably something cheap. (less than $100) > Kyle, Get a DC supply that can supply the current you need, and half the peak AC voltage EG if you want 100Vp-p (peak to peak) at two amps then select a 50V DC supply capable of supplying at least 2A continuous. Then you will need something to provide a 1 to 5MHz signal. A 20MHz microcontroller would be ideal for this. PIC's are cheap and there's a plethora of people that know how to program these. You could read a potentiometer with the PIC and vary the output frequency in sympathy. Then you need a method of producing the AC from the DC. An easy (and common) way of achieving this is a H-bridge. An ASCII diagram of a H-bridge is shown below: +VDC----------O------------------------------------------O----------- | | PNP1 PNP2 | | O--------AC1 [Load] AC2---------O | | NPN2 NPN2 | | 0V---------------O------------------------------------------O----------- Turning on PNP1 and NPN2 causes (conventional) current to flow from +VDC through AC1, Load and AC2 to 0V. Turning on PNP2 and NPN1 causes (conventional) current to flow from +VDC through AC2, Load and AC1 to 0V. Cycle between pairs (PNP1, NPN2) and (PNP2 , NPN1) to generate AC through the load. Remember to allow time for the each transistor pair to turn off before turning on the other pair unless you want a smoke machine. You will also need to put diodes across each transistor to prevent them from being damaged by back emf. These would need to be fast enough to work with the desired frequency. All this should cost less than $100 When I get some time I may do the 'proper' design for something like this including the microcontroller software etc and post this to FREENRG. I may also supply programmed PIC's but for now..... Best regards David Callaghan DCallaghan@CallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 9 21:17:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28314; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:13:59 -0400 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Liner Hall Effect Device Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199805100014_MC2-3C82-272@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id VAA28285 Resent-Message-ID: <"LJSrC2.0.Iw6.HfILr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To: All I am trying to find some linear hall effect devices which are capable of sensing over a wide rainge of field strenghts (up to 200mT). However, 99% of all the hall effect sensors I can find have built-in comparitors with positive feed back, so the output is binary (two state), so they are useless to me. They are intended for use in ignition systems and various mechanical detectors. The other 1% have built-in high gain linear amplifiers which hit the rails at about 3mT, so they do not cover a wide enough rainge for my purpose. Perhaps I could make my own, if I had some flat film resistor material in a form that can be easily cut, and having a resitance of at least 100 Ohms per square. Good tempurature stability is preferable. Does anyone know where I can get such material? Does anyone know where I can get linerar hall effect devices without all the built-in extras that get in the way? Thanks Ralph Griffin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 9 21:18:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22781; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:18:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:18:25 -0700 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CBT From: "Scott Pennington" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: <85256600.0017BDD6.00@cinbell.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:19:19 -0400 Subject: Scott Pennington/CBT is out of the office. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"X83ES1.0.TZ5.EgILr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I will be out of the office from 05/08/98 until 05/15/98. I am out of the office at Bellcore Sync Conference. I will respond to your message when I return. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 10 04:46:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14935; Sun, 10 May 1998 04:46:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 04:46:17 -0700 From: JNaudin509 Message-ID: <910261d.35559377@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:45:58 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: How to build a cheap Van de Graaf generator.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"riK2D1.0.Gf3.8EPLr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I have built successfully a Van de Graaf generator for improving lab equipement, this generator is able to produce up to 250kV in dry air, the material used is common and cheap ( about 50 US$ (300 French Francs) without the DC motor ). This is a wonderfull tool for exploring electrodynamics and electrogravitics domains. You will find all pictures and diagram for building this Van de Graaf generator at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/jlnvdg.htm I hope that this will interest you. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 10 06:55:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA30228; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:55:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 06:55:30 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CONSTANT SPEED GIT Message-ID: <19980510.085646.9807.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <004901bd6046$d7ec3280$88ec060c@davelook> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-7,11-12,17-19 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:54:08 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"x3sxA1.0.BO7.I7RLr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:56:38 -0500 "davelook" writes: > >To make his Gravity Generator work, it seems that all you need to do >is make the balls magnets. The stator would be an arrangement of magnets to >repel them OUTWARD on one side and INWARD on the other side!!! > I have considered the same idea, using a PM to push weights (PM's theselves) inward on a flywheel for half the rotation. Actually, electromagnets would work better for experiments since fairly powerful electromagnets are easy to make. Thought about a simular idea for a PPM, but ran into a "design problem" so I never built one. A coworker was going to giver me two old VCR's, when he does I'm going to use the heads for flywheels because of the quality bearings in them (have one already thar I used for some rotary SMOT experiments). Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 10 08:44:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14746; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:44:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:44:06 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:24:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Message-ID: <19980510.113326.6374.5.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428212428.008e5100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-9,12-14 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"yDtbh3.0.Jc3.5jSLr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:16:16 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: > More massive objects, all other things being the >same, should move proportionally more due to the effect. That runs >contrary to any electrostatic or ionic effect, and would prove BB once and for >all. > Been thinking, and personally, I dont care if it's ionic wind or whatever. Real proof is when a Brown device can lift itself (including it's HV supply) off the ground! Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 10 08:46:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18179; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:35:51 -0400 Subject: Re: magnetic monopole Message-ID: <19980510.113326.6374.6.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-18,22-24 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"qDkOq2.0.rR4.AlSLr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4648 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 6 May 1998 15:41:42 +1000 mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) writes: >>OH, one more thing I plan on trying, if I drill a small hole in the >>sphere, insert a wire to the center, and put a huge charge using my >>vandegraff between the outer shell and the inner point, where will >>the charge reside? It SHOULD sit on the outer surface, yet the >>opposite pole will be inside the sphere... >> > >The charge will accelerate to the circumference. But, in doing so, >you've >lost that point. A non-invasive method is needed, such as sympathetic >resonance. > >Peter Nielsen > > An older TVQ letter on Keelynet (I think it is the ReplyTVQ.ASC file) addresses the charged sphere experiment (mentioned by Bearden in his Toward a New Electromagnetics, Part 4). They suggested replacing the sphere with a coax. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 10 14:53:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21837; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35561EB2.C4A80084@idt.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:40:02 -0400 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Evolving ZPE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"awwej1.0.tK5.Y6YLr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4649 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Did anyone reade the most recent issue of DISCOVER? the article with the evolving microchips? That sort of gave me an idea, maybe to build a decent ZPE circuit, all we have to do is use that type of thing, but select for highest energy output. then we wait and see if anything interesting happens. -joey katz "Death! Been there. Done that!" -cpt. Sheridan, Babylon 5 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 10 16:30:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16904; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:29:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:29:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:29:55 +1000 X-Sender: mindtech@mailhost.nor.com.au (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) Subject: Re: magnetic monopole Resent-Message-ID: <"T0Je5.0.084.jXZLr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4650 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>The charge will accelerate to the circumference. But, in doing so, >>you've >>lost that point. A non-invasive method is needed, such as sympathetic >>resonance. >> >>Peter Nielsen >> >> >An older TVQ letter on Keelynet (I think it is the ReplyTVQ.ASC file) >addresses the charged sphere experiment (mentioned by Bearden in his >Toward a New Electromagnetics, Part 4). They suggested replacing the >sphere with a coax. > >Steve Heckman > Or nested cylinders. But the field will dissipate out the ends, unless certain measures are taken. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 11 09:58:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19424; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:58:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:58:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980511125441.42af807a@pop.paonline.com> X-Sender: judson.smales@pop.paonline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:54:41 -0400 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: Judson Smales Subject: Help with formula of coriolis effect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Pmixk1.0.Ml4.PuoLr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4651 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings Everybody! I am in of some help with the formula for the coriolis effect. I need an explanation in laymans terms of the formula. I'm planning on doing some experimentation involving this effect and need to know what to expect before I start. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 11 19:02:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08887; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:02:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3557AD74.6F1AB7E9@dcache.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:01:24 -0400 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liner Hall Effect Device X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199805100014_MC2-3C82-272@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vgm511.0.gA2.kswLr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4652 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ralph E Griffin wrote: > > To: All > > I am trying to find some linear hall effect devices which are capable > of > sensing over a wide rainge of field strenghts (up to 200mT). However, > 99% > of all the hall effect sensors I can find have built-in comparitors > with > positive feed back, so the output is binary (two state), so they are > useless to me. They are intended for use in ignition systems and > various > mechanical detectors. The other 1% have built-in high gain linear > amplifiers which hit the rails at about 3mT, so they do not cover a > wide > enough rainge for my purpose. > > Perhaps I could make my own, if I had some flat film resistor material > in a > form that can be easily cut, and having a resitance of at least 100 > Ohms > per square. Good tempurature stability is preferable. > > Does anyone know where I can get such material? > > Does anyone know where I can get linerar hall effect devices without > all > the built-in extras that get in the way? > > Thanks > Ralph Griffin > Hi Ralph I have run into the same problem with off the shelf devices. You may be able to disassemble some automotive type Hall Devices and find the analog range yourself. I believe that they do not have the range you want anyway. You can build a simple magnetometer with a ferrite toroid and two windings and balance the coils to get an extended range. Don Lancaster at http://www.tinaja.com had plans for a flux gate magnetometer used for a global position project he did 4-5 years back. John Schnurer over on the vortex-L list is an expert at this try e-mail to him. Well as I slowly compose this I was looking at the June 1998 Electronics Now and Joseph J. Carr has written Experimenting With Magnetic Sensors on page 56 check that out too Good luck Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 13 23:29:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10623; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:29:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:29:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Free Energy List Subject: Re: Liner Hall Effect Device In-Reply-To: <199805100014_MC2-3C82-272@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zdvXI.0.sb2.IzeMr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4653 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 10 May 1998, Ralph E Griffin wrote: > To: All > > I am trying to find some linear hall effect devices which are capable of > sensing over a wide rainge of field strenghts (up to 200mT). However, 99% > of all the hall effect sensors I can find have built-in comparitors with > positive feed back, so the output is binary (two state), so they are There are a couple of part numbers for "linear" hall sensors on my maglev page, see: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/maglev/hall.txt Digi-Key (mailorder catalog) sells both Switching-type and Linear-type of Hall effect sensors. See http://www.digikey.com, get their catalog (I don't see the linear sensors on their website) The main company which manufactures these is Allegro Semiconductor, http://www.allegromicro.com > Perhaps I could make my own, if I had some flat film resistor material in a > form that can be easily cut, and having a resitance of at least 100 Ohms > per square. Good tempurature stability is preferable. Much cheaper to buy than to build! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 14 12:46:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22726; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <355B1090.EB3@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:41:04 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Binn PPM in England? References: <3555543F.3979@worldnet.att.net> <35559157.4BBC@swcp.com> <355A3677.ECE@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b9qAq.0.xY5.ddqMr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! With regard to the new PPM device being proclaimed in England, here is direct word from our friend John Collins; Hi Jerry, Yes its true! I spoke to Tony Binns, the inventor, last night on the 'phone at considerable length. He has made a working model which has been examined for 5 months by a research department of our good old Ministry of Defence. They admit that it has "inherent torque", which I take as meaning that it has a tendency to turn! Tony played me a recording of a radio interview from the day before and a spokesman from the MoD was also interviewed and admitted that although they accepted the machine they couldn't accept the physics! Tony has asked me to keep this off the internet for about 7 days, but I don't think it matters because a lot of people know about it from one newspaper article. If you want a copy of it I could fax it to you if you give me a fax number, Jerry. Tony has lodged copies of his relevant documnets with various organisations and has already applied for a patent. He tells me that he intends to assign the patent to a charitable trust which is great news. He has also come to the same conclusion that I did regarding potential for anti-gravity and is either about to make contact or is already in contact with your NASA! He says NASA will go bust if they don't take notice of his invention, because guys will be floating up and down to the moon on his machine while they are pumping dollar notes out the exhaust of their rockets! By the way, he knew nothing of Bessler or any of today's researchers, he has gone into this entirely on his own and without any historical research. Funny how we both arrived at a similar conclusion at about the same time from different starting points. Tony is happy for me to ride on the back of his own publicity to help me sell some more books. Jerry be prepared for a major announcement in about a week! I'll keep in touch if there are any developments. John John Collins Author of 'Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?' - for more information and details on ordering visit my web site at http://www.free-energy.co.uk -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 14 15:22:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26554; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <355B358B.14EE@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:18:51 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, rivas@theriver.com, Tebearden@aol.com Subject: Re: Binn PPM in England? References: <3555543F.3979@worldnet.att.net> <35559157.4BBC@swcp.com> <355A3677.ECE@keelynet.com> <355B1090.EB3@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gZi_83.0.oU6.xvsMr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4655 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! This just came in from John Collins on the Binn claims; --------------------------------- Jerry, Sorry mate, there may be a problem. I thought the guy had a working model, now it seems he only sent full diagrams and a paper explaining the physics to the Defence Agency, but no actual working model. He spoke to a friend of mine who is planning to make a film on my own ideas and who wished to include him in it. She reckoned that he was ok at first until she pinned him down about a working model. Then he went on the defensive and said he couldn't afford to build a model and anyway only NASA had the facilities. She asked him why NASA and he explained that there was a comet heading towards earth and that his machine was the only one which could prevent a crash!!! I'm real sorry Jerry, maybe the guy is genuine, I don't know, but I'll keep you informed John A John Collins Author of 'Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?' - for more information and details on ordering visit my web site at http://www.free-energy.co.uk -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 02:25:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03628; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roger Weichert" To: , Cc: , , Subject: Re: Binn PPM in England? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:58:13 +0930 Message-ID: <01bd7fe3$e4487720$ce1b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zrkmZ3.0.bu.yd0Nr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4656 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com G'day all, It's not looking so rosy now regarding Tony Binns invention, but I thought you may be interested to see how it was reported in the regular press in Adelaide, South Australia, via The Advertiser newspaper May 13 Quote. Heading. "Inventor's 'gravity wheel' may revolutionise future of the world" Text. "London: A lone British inventor may have cracked the age-old secret of perpetual motion. Tony Binns' discovery- described as "a bigger invention than the wheel"- could produce limitless free power and make Star Trek- style space journeys a reality. It could also make a billionaire out of the 34-year-old bachelor. The dream of keeping a machine moving forever, without outside power, dates from the 13th century. Now, dramatic confirmation that it could become a reality, and the biggest breakthrough in scientific history, has come from Britain's Defence Evaluation and Research Agency, a government body. The agency said its experts had spent five months investigating a "gravity wheel' device produced by Mr. Binns, a self-employed electronics engineer. They found that "in theory" his wheel could spin forever. It generated "inherent torque", meaning that instead of slowing down it picked up speed, with no assistance from any fuel. Such a sensational discovery could produce electricity for nothing. It would mean road and rail vehicles being able to speed along on air and make voyages to the depths of the universe a possibility. His device is a prototype wheel 1m in diameter Daily Mail Pic " End Quote After John Collins latest email it kind of makes me wonder where the press actually got the story from. .....Perhaps Tony Binns? -----Original Message----- From: Jerry W. Decker To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; rivas@theriver.com ; Tebearden@aol.com Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Binn PPM in England? >Hi Folks! > >This just came in from John Collins on the Binn claims; >--------------------------------- >Jerry, > >Sorry mate, there may be a problem. I thought the guy had a working >model, now it seems he only sent full diagrams and a paper explaining >the physics to the Defence Agency, but no actual working model. He >spoke to a friend of mine who is planning to make a film on my own ideas >and who wished to include him in it. She reckoned that he was ok at >first until she pinned him down about a working model. Then he went on >the defensive and said he couldn't afford to build a model and anyway >only NASA had the facilities. > >She asked him why NASA and he explained that there was a comet heading >towards earth and that his machine was the only one which could prevent >a crash!!! > >I'm real sorry Jerry, maybe the guy is genuine, I don't know, but I'll >keep you informed >John > >A >John Collins > >Author of 'Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?' - for more >information and details on ordering visit my web site at >http://www.free-energy.co.uk >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 07:10:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04219; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liner Hall Effect Device Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:51:06 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <199805100014_MC2-3C82-272@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199805100014_MC2-3C82-272@compuserve.com> Lines: 11 Resent-Message-ID: <"_1Vt52.0.l11.Ip4Nr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4657 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I am trying to find some linear hall effect devices which are capable of Look at the newer Magnetito Resistors from companies like Philips. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 12:53:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16185; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:51:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:51:42 -0700 Message-ID: <355C99CC.4169@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:38:52 -0400 From: Patrick Tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net Organization: Energeon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Binn PPM in England? References: <01bd7fe3$e4487720$ce1b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uEwL33.0.jy3.Ep9Nr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4658 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Is the invention working or not ? Is it true or false ? -- Energeon, 7515 Jodelle, Laval West (quebec), Canada, H7R-5L5, Fax: 1-514-686-6083 Patrick Tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 13:03:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21613; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:02:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:02:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: list physics teaching Subject: electrostatic charging via condensation?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_8ed2.0.aH5.iz9Nr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4659 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here's something I received recently: > wrestled with this idea for years. Ever since the day I was standing on > a rubber mat degreasing air craft parts. The freon in the tank was hot. > There were refrigerated coils around the top of the tank to condense the > freon vapors and return the liquid to the tank. As I placed my left hand > into the tank, torrents of freon condensed on and ran off my hand. As > long as the left hand was in the freon vapors a small spark steadily > jumped from my right fore finger to the tank. More at : http://members.tripod.com/~LYNN_MILLS/index-2.html Lynn Mills This is a very strange phenomenon. Condensation is not known to cause electrostatic charging! If it did, then the opposite charge must go into the air, in order to balance the charge which appears on the condensing surface. As Lynn points out on the above webpage, if condensation involves electrostatic effects, then perhaps this is the true explanation of the mechanism which produces lightning (and perhaps tornados.) Perhaps a simple electrostatic generator could be based on this effect. Hang a cold metal plate over a hot liquid while measuring the microamps out of the plate to earth-ground. Or boil some liquid in a suspended metal pot, and measure microamperes to ground. Electrostatic generators based on the latter effect already exist. These were called "hydroelectric generators" in the mid 1800's. They took the form of a steam boiler suspended on insulators, with a jet of steam escaping from a specially constructed nozzle. Electrostatic effects from a flash-cloud? The body of the water tank would attain an extremely high voltage, with an opposite charge presumably on the steam cloud. They were thought to operate via collision of water droplets with the inside of their wooden nozzles, but perhaps this explanation is wrong, and these devices hold a mystery. I wonder, does the effect work more strongly with freon than with water? If so, then that would explain why no one has stumbled across it by now. If it is very feeble when water is used (and only would become significant for enormous amounts of condensation), then tabletop testing might not reveal it, even though it would easily drive thunderstorms. If the key is to use an insulating liquid, then perhaps Kerosene would also work (easier to obtain!) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 13:23:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA30090; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:23:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:23:39 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:23:10 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: electrostatic charging via condensation?! Resent-Message-ID: <"cIjog1.0.0M7.9HANr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4660 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill - > If the key is to use an insulating liquid, then > perhaps Kerosene would also work (easier to > obtain!) Kerosene - you mean like jet-A? So let's say if you pump out a large tank, then there might be a high voltage potential left behind to play in the remaining vapors? Yikes. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 14:39:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03396; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:38:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: <355CB59B.D1A732A6@dcache.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:37:31 -0400 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: electrostatic charging via condensation?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FtZ-u1.0.yq.LNBNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4661 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Bill - > > > If the key is to use an insulating liquid, then > > perhaps Kerosene would also work (easier to > > obtain!) > > Kerosene - you mean like jet-A? So let's say if you pump out a large tank, > then there might be a high voltage potential left behind to play in the > remaining vapors? Yikes. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI OK guys Shades of Flight 800. Pumping dielectric fluids involves caution and adequate grounding for safety. The mechanism is simple physics, just charge transfer. For the hydroelectric machine the dielectric water is stripped of its charge at the nozzle, and charges up the stationary body connected to the nozzle, the stationary body forms a capacitor to ground with the air as a dielectric. Anyway, pumping oil can separate charge in the same way a Van de Graaff generator works, the oil, a dielectric, becomes the charge carrying medium. In large power transformers the phenomenon is known as static electrification, catchy moniker, and can quickly destroy expensive equipment. This charge phenomena can be used to pump fluids with no moving parts, well the ions move things along, by placing a charge on a ring of needles in a tube you can pump oil, water and various dielectric and polar (ionic) fluids. All right, ready for comments. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 15:23:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17095; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:22:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:22:58 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8025.D11C9AE0@pm3-143.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: GIT: will it really work? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:20:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id PAA17033 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Zprd.0.sA4.01CNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4662 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I've been thinking about the GIT and I don't think it will work outside the gravitational influence of the earth, assuming it works at all. I've talked to Dave Cowlishaw, and he's convince it pushes against nothing. Well, I dissagree. It is quite possibly pushing against the curved spacetime metric surrounding the earth. If so, in the flat spacetime of zero-G, it has nothing to push against, and therefore will not function. There is the slim chance that it somehow slings its own gravity well ahead of itse lf asymetrically, but I severely doubt it, and if it did it is likely that the resulting thrust would be nearly nil because of the tiny mass of the device. I could be wrong on this one, but it seemed too good to be true: a totally mechanical inertial thru ster. At least EM fields have something in common with spacetime, but this doesn't. Best regards, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 15:44:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25269; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:44:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:44:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:44:51 +1000 X-Sender: mindtech@mailhost.nor.com.au (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) Subject: Re: electrostatic charging via condensation?! Resent-Message-ID: <"IIDeA2.0.jA6.TLCNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4663 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There is a patent on electrostatic cooling using HV emitters. This seems to be the inverse function of what you describe. Sorry, I don't currently have the ref. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 17:04:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14515; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:03:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01bd8058$46413d80$84ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:22:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SWfkp3.0.EY3.kVDNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4664 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I've been thinking about the GIT and I don't think it will work outside the gravitational influence of the earth, Kyle, I don't think it will, either. When you move something out to the depths of space, you take away it's property of weight. Weight is what gives centrifugal force. On a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity, you could grab the bumpers of a family sedan and sling it back and forth. No "inertia" to speak of. No centrifugal force. Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 17:59:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01784; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:59:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:59:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: DColling@vines.gems.gov.bc.ca Subject: re: electrostatic charging via condensation?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7cWSD.0.mR.SJENr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4665 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 15 May 1998 DColling@vines.gems.gov.bc.ca wrote: > I'm pretty interested in electrostatic generators but I haven't heard of this > type. Do you have any references to descriptions of these things? Why do you > suppose that the nozzle has to be special? Elsewhere you said it was "wooden" - > how on earth would that help anything? This was from old books from Lindsay Publications, Lindsay Publications When I go home I can track down the particular one. If I recall, the effect depended upon particular materials and shape of the steam nozzle. The wooden parts might have supplied necessary conductivity for gathering surface charge from the site where charges were actively being separated. It's tough to "frictionally" charge a metal, and its hard to collect the surface charge from a charged nonconductor, so a high-ohms material with resistance between glass and metal would be needed. Leather was used for similar reasons in early glass-disk frictional generators, since charge could not be collected from a good insulator, and the conductivity of metal interfered with the microscopic >From descriptions in the books, various universities competed by building large Wimshurst machines and Hydroelectrostatic machines. My spark is longer than your spark. Sort of like cyclotron-envy, but 100 years earlier. (I wonder if part of the rift between physicists and N. Tesla is over the fact that his 100ft Colorado Springs discharges made all their proud devices look "flaccid" by comparison. And Tesla was not even a proper scientist!) > Sounds to me like, if vapour carries a negative charge, I should be able to > boil water in one tank, blow the steam into the inside of another tank, and > condense it there, collecting a charge along with the water. Yep. Even if it's actually the water drops which carry the charge, this sort of generator would be extremely simple. A beltless VDG, basically. Might have to keep the connecting tube heated in order to prevent buildup of conductive water films. If positive steam and negative steam could both be produced, then the water could flow in a closed loop, positive steam in one tube and negative in an adjacent parallel tube with opposite direction of flow. Could be a coal-fired boiler! Know what this means? If electrostatics is the key to antigravity, this would be a good power-plant for a Victorian Jules Verne levitation craft. Buzz the Whitehouse with stacks belching black smoke, steamwhistles blowing, and banners flapping in the breeze. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 19:09:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12600; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:09:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:09:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: electrostatic charging via condensation?! Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:14:12 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_GmCV3.0.n43.PLFNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4666 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty writes: If electrostatics is the key to antigravity, ...... ------------------------------------------ Has anyone here reviewed the work of Morton F. Spears? He wrote a couple of books explaining the "Capacitance Theory of Gravity". The theory states that gravity is not a separate or fundamental force, but rather an artifact of the electrostatic force. The theory explains both qualitatively and quantitatively, that the gravity phenomenon is an artifact or effect of the electrostatic force. That gravity stems from rotating electrically charged bi-poles (e.g. electron/proton) which act upon other rotating bi-poles to effect mutually attracting forces. The range of force intensities can be quantized down to a single pole (of a bi-pole) acting on another single particle (usually one pole of another bi-pole), up to and beyond clusters of galaxies acting on each other His books, written in the style of an introductory college physics text, go through some simple to reproduce experiments to explain the theory in qualitative terms, then he uses the known electrostatic constants and equations to derive the gravitational constant in terms of electric circuits in space. The theory goes on to explain the non-shieldable properties of gravity, the curving of gravity in space, the gravity-acceleration mass equivalence principle, and other idiosyncrasies of gravity in terms of electric circuits in space. Fascinating stuff. I am new to this list, and perhaps this is "old news". If so please forgive a newbie. If not, the theory seems to go along way to explain "electro-gravitics", and probably should get a closer look. The books and paper are: "CTG Capacitance Theory of Gravity" 1991, ISBN 0-9629933-0-1 "CTG Capacitance Theory of Gravity - Book II" 1993, ISBN 0-9629933-1-X "An Electrostatic Solution for the Gravity Force and the Value of G" unpublished research paper (January 9, 1997) The books plus a research paper are available at nominal cost from: Morton F. Spears P.O. Box 466 Cataumet, MA 02534 Mr. Spears is an MIT electronics engineering graduate, and founded an R&D consulting firm specializing ELF/VLF/LF antennas and receivers. --------------------------------- Charles Wilde Aton International, Inc. http://www.aton.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 15 22:05:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05639; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:05:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:05:31 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004e01bd8058$46413d80$84ec060c@davelook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:05:06 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"MQTsJ1.0.0O1.QwHNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4667 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > On a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity, > you could grab the bumpers of a family sedan > and sling it back and forth. No "inertia" to > speak of. No centrifugal force. That is totally wrong. Many spaceflights both manned and unmanned prove it beyond any doubt. Inertia works the same whether there is weight or not. Centrifuges work fine in space. Ever see those sci-fi pictures of space stations rotating to make artificial (centrifugal) gravity? Why would they be proposed if a centrifuge wouldn't work? Ever see the real NASA pictures of the Apollo astronaut jogging around the inside of the booster tank? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 16 02:32:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28113; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:32:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:32:24 -0700 Message-ID: <355D5BDA.439B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:26:50 -1000 From: bill perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: White Noise generator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QTCHh.0.5t6.cqLNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4668 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all: Does anyone know of how to put together a cheap White Noise Generator? I saw a schematic long ago for a harmonic generator which was just a Class A Amplifier using one transistor with a diode SOMEWHERE on the output side, due to the diode's effect of generating harmonics of a signal. I thought if you took the harmonics from the output and fed them back to the input it would create harmonics of the harmonics and make white noise, the only problem is I don't remember how the diode was placed on it. I need to generate white noise from about 1Hz to about 20-30KHz (if it's possible?) Thanks BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 16 08:28:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04995; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:28:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:28:03 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:16:53 -0400 Subject: Re: electrostatic charging via condensation?! Message-ID: <19980516.111704.6366.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,11-34,36-37,39,41,43-44,47-48,51-53 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"ycWZH1.0.yD1.22RNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4669 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 15 May 1998 19:14:12 -0700 Charles Wilde writes: >Has anyone here reviewed the work of Morton F. Spears? He wrote a >couple of books explaining the "Capacitance Theory of Gravity". The >theory states that gravity is not a separate or fundamental force, but >rather an artifact of the electrostatic force. > >His books, written in the style of an introductory college physics >text, go through some simple to reproduce experiments to explain the theory >in qualitative terms, then he uses the known electrostatic constants and >equations to derive the gravitational constant in terms of electric >circuits in space. >I am new to this list, and perhaps this is "old news". If so please >forgive a newbie. If not, the theory seems to go along way to explain >"electro-gravitics", and probably should get a closer look. > >The books and paper are: > >"CTG Capacitance Theory of Gravity" 1991, ISBN >0-9629933-0-1 >"CTG Capacitance Theory of Gravity - Book II" 1993, ISBN >0-9629933-1-X >"An Electrostatic Solution for the Gravity Force and the Value of G" >unpublished research paper (January 9, 1997) > >The books plus a research paper are available at nominal cost from: > >Morton F. Spears >P.O. Box 466 >Cataumet, MA 02534 > I have never heard about him...but for this kind of information is one reason that is why I am still on the list! Do have a copy of H.E. Puthoff's paper, "Gravity as a Zero-Point Fluxuation Force" (Phys Rev A, 39, 1989, p. 2333.....Got it from interlibrary loan..it's free! At least at my library. ) He explained gravity in terms of Van der Waal forces...interesting but it lacked suggested experiments to verify claim. Spears work may shed some light on the Maxwell equations and their missing scalar term and the tie-in to electrogravitation (according to Bearden). Also touched upon in the 1903 Whittacker paper. By the way, I have collected some of Millennium Twain's papers. Really havn't got to digest them in detail yet, but they are fascinating, and have extensive references. The man has really done his homework! Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 16 17:44:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17012; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: White Noise generator Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:23:04 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <355D5BDA.439B@worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <355D5BDA.439B@worldnet.att.net> Lines: 17 Resent-Message-ID: <"35tNJ3.0.g94.VBZNr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4670 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Does anyone know of how to put together a cheap White Noise Generator? Look through the the Linear Technologies App. notes, they have a couple in there. There is also one in the Analog Devices App. notes. Let me know if you can't find them and I'll dig out the exact numbers. You can also make a simple pseudo noise generator out of a 4070 XOR gate and 4006 shift register. The book "The Art Of Electronics" gives the details. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 16 18:48:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24375; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980517044500.006834d8@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:45:00 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"sOngd1.0.ly5.p7aNr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4671 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:22 PM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>I've been thinking about the GIT and I don't think it will work outside the >gravitational influence of the earth, > > Kyle, > I don't think it will, either. When you move something out to the depths >of space, you take away it's property of weight. Weight is what gives >centrifugal force. > On a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity, you could grab the bumpers >of >a family sedan and sling it back and forth. No "inertia" to speak of. No >centrifugal >force. > >Dave L. > > Your logic seems to indicate that rockets won't work in space because they don't have air to push against.This was a real concern to the first rocket pioneers.Now we understand Neuton was right all along and action and reaction laws still apply in space.It may not be so easy to sling the family sedan around in space because you still are dealing with mass and that still requires muscle to get it moving and to stop it moving. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 17 09:54:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22421; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:54:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:54:02 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:52:27 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: White Noise generator In-Reply-To: <355D5BDA.439B@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"eiUFL2.0.8U5.fOnNr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4672 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In message <355D5BDA.439B@worldnet.att.net>, bill perry writes >Greetings all: > >Does anyone know of how to put together a cheap White Noise Generator? >I saw a schematic long ago for a harmonic generator which was just a >Class A Amplifier using one transistor with a diode SOMEWHERE on the >output side, due to the diode's effect of generating harmonics of a >signal. I thought if you took the harmonics from the output and fed them >back to the input it would create harmonics of the harmonics and make >white noise, the only problem is I don't remember how the diode was >placed on it. I need to generate white noise from about 1Hz to about >20-30KHz (if it's possible?) >Thanks >BillP > If you only want the noise up to 20/30kHz, then it's best to generate it digitally. A suitable PRBS generator using a long (23 bits or so) shift-register will do it. Take the output from one of the Q ouputs and pass it through a low-pass filter. I think that 'The Art of Electronics' has a list of the points to EXOR to give a maximum length sequence. The basic spectrum from a PRBS generator is sinX/X, but if you clock it fast enough and only use the LF portion then the flatness or the noise spectrum will be easily good enough. I have a little box here I made to do just this. There's a 'white' output, and a 3dB/octave roll-off 'pink' output. Very useful for checking loudspeakers if you have a spectrum analyzer. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 17 23:27:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16069; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 01:59:31 -0400 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Re: Liner Hall Effect Device Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199805180224_MC2-3D4E-949C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id XAA16051 Resent-Message-ID: <"tHMj21.0.-w3.iIzNr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4673 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Replies to Bill Beaty, Jim Jiamachello, and Bob Paddock : Bill Beaty wrote: > There are a couple of part numbers for "linear" hall sensors on my > maglev page, see: > http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/maglev/hall.txt > > Digi-Key (mailorder catalog) sells both Switching-type and Linear-type > of Hall effect sensors. See http://www.digikey.com, get their catalog > (I don't see the linear sensors on their website) > > The main company which manufactures these is Allegro Semiconductor, > http://www.allegromicro.com Thanks for the info. The Allegro web site has no information on the UGN3501 and UGN3505, so it appears that they are no longer making those parts. Calculations shown below for these two parts use the +/-1300mV delta range specified for the UGN3503 part whose spec I was able to find. The Texas Instruments web sight does not even mention hall effect sensors or magnetic sensors of any kind, so it appears that they are no longer making that part. I ended up buying the Micronas HAL400S from DigiKey. My previous calculation leading to the conclusion that the device would hit the rails at 3mT (30G) was wrong. Yet this new figure of 941G is still about 5 times too sensitive for my needs. I was planning to insert the device in the gap between two core haves. Perhaps, I should just pull the device part way out of the gap (into the fringe flux zone) as a means of attenuating the field, but the trouble is that the device might then be effected by other nearby fields. UGN3501: 1300mV /(0.7mV/G)= 1857G UGN3503: 1300mV /(1.3mV/G)= 1000G UGN3505: 1300mV /(3.5mV/G)= 371G UGN3506: 2000mV /(2.5mV/G)= 800G TL3103: ??mV / (1.6mV/G)= ??G HAL400S: 4000mV/(4.25mV/G)= 941G Jim Jiamachello wrote: > I have run into the same problem with off the shelf devices. You may > be able to disassemble some automotive type Hall Devices and find the > analog range yourself. I believe that they do not have the range you > want anyway. You can build a simple magnetometer with a ferrite toroid > and two windings and balance the coils to get an extended range. > > Don Lancaster at http://www.tinaja.com had plans for a flux gate > magnetometer used > for a global position project he did 4-5 years back. > > John Schnurer over on the vortex-L list > is an expert at this try e-mail to him. > Well as I slowly compose this I was looking at the June 1998 > Electronics Now and Joseph J. Carr has written Experimenting With > Magnetic Sensors on page 56 check that out too I forgot to mention in my previous message, that the device must be very thin so it can fit in the gap between two halves of a core. So the kinds of sensors that are based of magnetics cores and such would be far too bulky. The closest I could come to a flux gate magnetometer for global positionin on http:/www.tinaja.com was muse103.pdf which, of cource, is too big to fit in a gap. Bob Paddock wrote: > Look at the newer Magnetito Resistors from companies like Philips. Thanks for the info. I will look into it. The Philips web sight had no techical info, so I sent them some email. I need a device capable of distinguishing the polarity of the field. Do you know if the magneto resistor can do this? I seems unlikely to me. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 18 13:32:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08973; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3560A844.2AF0B1B3@eunet.no> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:39:36 +0100 From: Jorn Erik Ommang Reply-To: jorn.erik.ommang@eunet.no Organization: Institute for Energy Technology Assessment (IETA) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy List Subject: Vortex-L X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KS8nf.0.0C2.ah9Or"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4674 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello F.E. List, I have been unable to be on-line for a time - Can anyone update me on the following. Are there any lists that have taken over for the very interesting vortex-l discussion group? Is the "Order of the Tortois" in function? Best regards, Jorn Erik ____________________________________________________________________ Jorn Erik Ommang, Eng. Energy Technology Specialist IETA INSTITUTE FOR ENERGY TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT (Member of IATAFI, IAEE & PACE) Nordeidev. 39, N-5060 Søreidgrend (Bergen), Norway Phone: 0047 - 55124718, Fax: 0047 - 55226662 E-mail: jorn.erik.ommang@eunet.no From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 14:59:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23357; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:59:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: <35620076.EB30AC60@dcache.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:58:14 -0400 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Liner Hall Effect Device References: <199805180224_MC2-3D4E-949C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NPs8o1.0.ni5.Y2WOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4675 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ralph E Griffin wrote: Big Snip > I forgot to mention in my previous message, that the device must be very > thin so it can fit in the gap between two halves of a core. So the kinds > of sensors that are based of magnetics cores and such would be far too > bulky. There may be other ways to skin this cat. Polarized light traveling down a fiber optic cable is phase shifted by magnetic fields. There may be a way to wind a flat coil of fiber optics and obtain the information you need with off the shelf polarizers and optics. If you gap is in magnetic material, incorporate the sensing into your design of the magnetic circuit, by blending the designs of flux gate sensing with the higher power magnetic circuits you are using. Use the electric/magnetic duality principle to design by equivalency Your idea is used by companies who make current clamp-on meters. I believe some of their circuits use a toroidal form with two gaps and two sensors. Oh well, food for thought. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 17:12:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25665; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:12:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:12:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: Do this now Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OHZu52.0.pG6.t_XOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4676 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS 1998 W. Beaty Shake your hand really hard, for a fairly long time, until your fingertips feel like they're turning into rubber. Stop for a moment, then do it again. It takes less time the second time for "rubberization" to commence, eh? Keep a pocketful of dimes and quarters with you at all times, and constantly leave them in knee-level weird places where only a child would ever look. Inside the hollow shafts of toilet-paper holders. Balanced along the ridges of decorative molding. Imagine the eventual entertainment that will result. Inside pencil sharpeners at the local elementary school. Look in the mirror, pull your lips open, then snap your teeth open and closed as shown in the photos below. This makes you become "AWARE OF YOUR SKULL" Why, your face is just a layer of meat! What if you woke up one morning and it was gone! (Once the full-blown skull awareness wears off, find another mirror and restore it to full strength.) [photos eventually!] Say "ooeeooeeooe", but relax your face and shake your head hard and fast back and forth so that your cheeks flap. Sounds like Elmer Fudd when he's trying to shake off the dizzyness that comes from being hit on the head. Try this next time you get hit on the head by a falling anvil, see if it helps. Smell the table. Smell the floor. Smell the computer screen. Why should dogs have all the fun? Rub your palms together hard, so you make those little black rolls of dead skin. Those are called "Blatties." They're named after an early computer hacker at MIT. Teach yourself to talk understandably while your mouth is wide open. If you ever accidentally cut your lips off, or lose your lower jaw, this will come in quite handy. "Tleese take ne tll a hos-thitle innnediatly!" While waiting in the dark outside a movie theatre or pub, violently shake your head back and forth while observing nearby neon signs. (this only works with clear-tube orange signs.) See those frilly filgerees in the bands of light? Those are called "positive column striations." Neon sign makers call them "jellybeans". They are a type of plasma instability, and even physicists don't really understand why they form. All neon signs have them, but normally they wiggle back and forth so fast that humans can't see them. Yawn. (no, REALLY yawn), then immediately force your toungue backwards against the roof of your mouth. The saliva glands under your tongue will squirt like a squirtgun! You can only squirt once or twice before another yawn is required. Practice this in front of a mirror until you can slightly part your lips and silently hit a target with deadly accuracy. Hey! Is it raining in here? Face a light source. Fill your cheeks with air partially, breathe normally through your nose, and tense your cheeks and lips to compress the air inside. (It helps if you push fingers on your lips to keep air from spurting out.) Now relax your cheeks, part your lips, and spit the air out slowly. (Don't breathe out, instead spit the air out with cheeks and tongue.) Smoke! Fog comes out of your mouth. This works great in the dark with a flashlight. While reading, eat something. Notice that the flavor vanishes as soon as you get involved with the story you're reading? Now concentrate on your mouth, and the flavor explodes into reality. By concentrating on the book or on your mouth, you can make the flavor flash on and off. WEIRD! After getting out of the car, quickly touch one of your passengers. Snap! Why waste a good "zap" on the car door? (If you don't enjoy sparks, then use the car keys to touch your passenger. YOU won't feel the shock.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 17:43:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05432; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:43:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:43:23 -0700 Message-ID: <005301bd8388$448994a0$88ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:43:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD8366.B9506B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ifD4X.0.mK1.gSYOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4677 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD8366.B9506B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Dave - > > > On a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity, > > you could grab the bumpers of a family sedan > > and sling it back and forth. No "inertia" to > > speak of. No centrifugal force. > > >That is totally wrong. Many spaceflights both manned and unmanned prove = it >beyond any doubt. Inertia works the same whether there is weight or = not. >Centrifuges work fine in space. Ever see those sci-fi pictures of space >stations rotating to make artificial (centrifugal) gravity? Why would = they >be proposed if a centrifuge wouldn't work? Ever see the real NASA = pictures >of the Apollo astronaut jogging around the inside of the booster tank? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI Rick, I have no doubt that a shuttle orbiting anywhere near the Earth, or within the gravitational field of the sun, will still exhibit inertia. A = "weightless" astronaut doing flips inside the shuttle is still very well within the "inertial" field of the Earth's gravty, even though he is in freefall and weightless. The experiments and centrifuges you speak of take place within relatively strong = (relative to deep space, anyway) gravitational fields, hence there is still inertia. Are you saying that even though the sedan now only weighs 1% of 2000 lbs. (20 lbs), and you could easily lift it over your head, you = still wouldn't be able to sling it back and forth? ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD8366.B9506B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Dave -
>
>   >  On a = planet with=20 1% of the Earth's gravity,
>   >  you could grab = the=20 bumpers of a family sedan
>   >  and sling it = back and=20 forth. No "inertia" to
>   >  speak = of. No=20 centrifugal force.
>
>
>That is totally wrong. Many=20 spaceflights both manned and unmanned prove it
>beyond any doubt. = Inertia=20 works the same whether there is weight or not.
>Centrifuges work = fine in=20 space. Ever see those sci-fi pictures of space
>stations rotating = to make=20 artificial (centrifugal) gravity? Why would they
>be proposed if a = centrifuge wouldn't work? Ever see the real NASA pictures
>of the = Apollo=20 astronaut jogging around the inside of the booster = tank?
>
>- Rick=20 Monteverde
>Honolulu, HI
 
Rick,
    I have no doubt that a shuttle orbiting = anywhere near the Earth, or
within the
gravitational field of the = sun,=20 will still exhibit inertia. A = "weightless"
astronaut
doing flips=20 inside the shuttle is still very well within the = "inertial"
field=20 of the
Earth's gravty, even though he is in freefall and weightless.=20 The
experiments
and centrifuges you speak of take place within = relatively=20 strong (relative
to deep
space, anyway) gravitational fields, = hence there=20 is still inertia.
 
     Are you saying that even though the sedan = now only=20 weighs 1% of
2000 lbs. (20 lbs), and you could easily lift it over = your head,=20 you still
wouldn't
be able to sling it back and forth?
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD8366.B9506B00-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 18:03:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11026; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:03:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:03:19 -0700 Message-ID: <007501bd838b$0dc5c6c0$88ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:50:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"rlEPk3.0.6i2.NlYOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4678 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> Kyle, >> I don't think it will, either. When you move something out to the depths >>of space, you take away it's property of weight. Weight is what gives >>centrifugal force. >> On a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity, you could grab the bumpers >>of >>a family sedan and sling it back and forth. No "inertia" to speak of. No >>centrifugal >>force. > Your logic seems to indicate that rockets won't work in space because they >don't have air to push against.This was a real concern to the first rocket >pioneers.Now we understand Neuton was right all along and action and >reaction laws still apply in space.It may not be so easy to sling the family >sedan around in space because you still are dealing with mass and that still >requires muscle to get it moving and to stop it moving. I could be wrong, but see my reply to Rick. If you still disagree, let me know. Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 18:27:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18592; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:27:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:27:40 -0700 X-ROUTED: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:23:42 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <356231A5.A807E08@southconn.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:28:05 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: will it really work? References: <005301bd8388$448994a0$88ec060c@davelook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"95GK-2.0.NY4.B6ZOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4679 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com You are forgetting that an object outside a gravitational field still has mass....even if it doesn't weigh anything when you try to change its direction its mass will still resist....so you would have trouble slinging it back and forth, even if you could slowly lift it......hope i got it right this time... ....steve opelc..... davelook wrote: > > >Dave - > > > > > On a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity, > > > you could grab the bumpers of a family sedan > > > and sling it back and forth. No "inertia" to > > > speak of. No centrifugal force. > > > > > >That is totally wrong. Many spaceflights both manned and unmanned prove it > >beyond any doubt. Inertia works the same whether there is weight or not. > >Centrifuges work fine in space. Ever see those sci-fi pictures of space > >stations rotating to make artificial (centrifugal) gravity? Why would they > >be proposed if a centrifuge wouldn't work? Ever see the real NASA pictures > >of the Apollo astronaut jogging around the inside of the booster tank? > > > >- Rick Monteverde > >Honolulu, HI > > Rick, > I have no doubt that a shuttle orbiting anywhere near the Earth, or > within the > gravitational field of the sun, will still exhibit inertia. A "weightless" > astronaut > doing flips inside the shuttle is still very well within the "inertial" > field of the > Earth's gravty, even though he is in freefall and weightless. The > experiments > and centrifuges you speak of take place within relatively strong (relative > to deep > space, anyway) gravitational fields, hence there is still inertia. > > Are you saying that even though the sedan now only weighs 1% of > 2000 lbs. (20 lbs), and you could easily lift it over your head, you still > wouldn't > be able to sling it back and forth? > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: FILE.HTM > FILE.HTM Type: Hypertext Markup Language (text/html) > Encoding: base64 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 18:56:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19937; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00eb01bd8392$083b2680$88ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Cc: "Peter Bros" , "Lee Markland" , "cary johnson" Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:53:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"UZiN-.0.Qt4.QWZOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4680 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >You are forgetting that an object **outside a gravitational >field** still has mass.... I guess by mass you mean inertia. I just wasn't aware that this has been tested. Or has it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 19:06:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA30730; Tue, 19 May 1998 19:06:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:06:02 -0700 Message-ID: <35626391.7148@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:01:05 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Do this now References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YXbZG2.0.3W7.9gZOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4681 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty wrote: > Rub your palms together hard, so you make those little black rolls of dead > skin. Those are called "Blatties." They're named after an early computer > hacker at MIT. True story. The original "Blatties" were the product of Mr. Richard Greenblatt. He would rub his palms together for a few minutes as he sat down at a keyboard, like a pianist warming up for a concert. You could tell he had used your system while you were away from the tell-tale 'blatties' that remained. I used to work for Rick Greenblatt at a small A.I, company in Cambridge Mass called Lisp Machine Incorporated. Lisp machines, early artificial intellegence workstations, had specialized keboards with 128 physical keys, five of those were shift keys that could be used in combinations, like hyper-meta-control-alt-backspace for example. So you see, such a keyboard would demand quite a pile of 'blatties' before you started any real work. So if this bit is true, what truth may lay behine the rest of Bill's commandments? > Teach yourself to talk understandably while your mouth is wide open. If > you ever accidentally cut your lips off, or lose your lower jaw, this will > come in quite handy. "Tleese take ne tll a hos-thitle innnediatly!" > > While waiting in the dark outside a movie theatre or pub, violently shake > your head back and forth while observing nearby neon signs. (this only > works with clear-tube orange signs.) See those frilly filgerees in the > bands of light? Those are called "positive column striations." Neon sign > makers call them "jellybeans". They are a type of plasma instability, and > even physicists don't really understand why they form. All neon signs > have them, but normally they wiggle back and forth so fast that humans > can't see them. > > Yawn. (no, REALLY yawn), then immediately force your toungue backwards > against the roof of your mouth. The saliva glands under your tongue will > squirt like a squirtgun! You can only squirt once or twice before another > yawn is required. Practice this in front of a mirror until you can > slightly part your lips and silently hit a target with deadly accuracy. > Hey! Is it raining in here? > > Face a light source. Fill your cheeks with air partially, breathe normally > through your nose, and tense your cheeks and lips to compress the air > inside. (It helps if you push fingers on your lips to keep air from > spurting out.) Now relax your cheeks, part your lips, and spit the air out > slowly. (Don't breathe out, instead spit the air out with cheeks and > tongue.) Smoke! Fog comes out of your mouth. This works great in the > dark with a flashlight. > > While reading, eat something. Notice that the flavor vanishes as soon as > you get involved with the story you're reading? Now concentrate on your > mouth, and the flavor explodes into reality. By concentrating on the book > or on your mouth, you can make the flavor flash on and off. WEIRD! > > After getting out of the car, quickly touch one of your passengers. Snap! > Why waste a good "zap" on the car door? (If you don't enjoy sparks, then > use the car keys to touch your passenger. YOU won't feel the shock.) > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 20:01:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02654; Tue, 19 May 1998 20:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-ROUTED: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:54:16 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <35624231.FA6142EE@southconn.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:38:41 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Peter Bros , Lee Markland , cary johnson Subject: Re: will it really work? References: <00eb01bd8392$083b2680$88ec060c@davelook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s-mmZ1.0.Jf.VTaOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4682 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com No, if I understand it right, it has mass....the mass, when you try to move it quickly has a property called inertia....it has been tested, and it is definitly there.....(I had lots of problems getting this straight in my head when I was younger, hope it still is ).... weight and mass are properties of an object....weight is shown when in a gravitational field....mass is what is shown when we try to move an object quickly... (called inertia)....still exists whether in or out of gravitation.....is confusing because on earth, mass and weight are equal.... steve davelook wrote: > > >You are forgetting that an object **outside a gravitational > >field** still has mass.... > > I guess by mass you mean inertia. I just wasn't aware that this has been > tested. Or has it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 19 21:27:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22080; Tue, 19 May 1998 21:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:24:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Do this now To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: William Beaty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"67o_41.0.pO5.4kbOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4683 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 19 May 1998, William Beaty wrote: > > FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS 1998 W. Beaty > I LOVE IT! Thanks, Bill, I needed that! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 02:57:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17845; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:57:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:57:44 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005301bd8388$448994a0$88ec060c@davelook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:57:17 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"URTSK.0.eM4.NagOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4684 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > Are you saying that even though the sedan now > only weighs 1% of 2000 lbs. (20 lbs), and > you could easily lift it over your head, you > still wouldn't be able to sling it back and > forth? That's correct. There is something else to consider here regarding inertia's cause. Aether fans tend to think inertia arises from local aether drag. ZPE fans think it's a ZPE effect. But Mach fans think it's an effect due largely to the most distant mass in the universe. Mathematical reasons for that. Under Mach's principle, local masses *do* contribute to inertia, but far less, vastly far less so than the huge contribution of the larger universe out there. See http://chaos.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/inertia/index.htm for a nice piece on the origin of inertia. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 11:03:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23857; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:03:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:03:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: Re: Do this now In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xH0B92.0.aq5.ShnOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4685 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 19 May 1998, William Beaty wrote: > FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS 1998 W. Beaty Far too few people are aware of their skulls, and it's high time somebody did something about it! Most of these I heard about (or stumbled across) as a kid. They are the coin of the eerie realm of the child-subculture, things that the Grownups had long ago forgotten. But different regions must have different kid-ethnic traditions. Does anyone here have similar ...uh... "things" they still remember from those times? I can add them to the list! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 15:37:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28442; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: will it really work? Message-ID: <19980520.173639.8247.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <00eb01bd8392$083b2680$88ec060c@davelook> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-12,14-16 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:34:06 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"eOJ-N1.0.Ey6.2irOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4686 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 19 May 1998 21:53:02 -0400 "davelook" writes: > > >>You are forgetting that an object **outside a gravitational >>field** still has mass.... > > I guess by mass you mean inertia. I just wasn't aware that this >has been >tested. Or has it? > > It's tested everytime we calculate the orbit of a comet, or send out a deep space probe. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 16:27:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17093; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:27:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:27:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bd83f1$c579e920$97ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:18:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AqiLQ1.0.-A4.ORsOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4687 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >No, if I understand it right, it has mass....the mass, >when you try to move it quickly has a property called >inertia....*******it has been tested, and it is definitly >there.******....(I had lots of problems getting this straight >in my head when I was younger, hope it still is ).... >weight and mass are properties of an object....weight is >shown when in a gravitational field....mass is what >is shown when we try to move an object quickly... >(called inertia)....still exists whether in or out of >gravitation.....is confusing because on earth, mass and >weight are equal.... steve Ok, you say "it has been tested, and it is definitely there....". Again, I have to ask if you're sure it was tested. I mean, when has any experiment taken place outside of a gravitational field? I could be wrong, but it seems to me we're making assumptions here. So the inertia of an object is the same everywhere in the universe, but it corresponds correctly with Earthly weight? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 17:31:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17595; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:24:46 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <35637338.9FA003B0@southconn.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:20:08 -0400 From: paula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: will it really work? References: <000c01bd83f1$c579e920$97ec060c@davelook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pMYgd2.0.kI4.JNtOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4688 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ok, will go along with you ....to be technical it has not been tested outside a gravitational field...but to all intents and purposes...up till now....it is there.... steve davelook wrote: > > >No, if I understand it right, it has mass....the mass, > >when you try to move it quickly has a property called > >inertia....*******it has been tested, and it is definitly > >there.******....(I had lots of problems getting this straight > >in my head when I was younger, hope it still is ).... > >weight and mass are properties of an object....weight is > >shown when in a gravitational field....mass is what > >is shown when we try to move an object quickly... > >(called inertia)....still exists whether in or out of > >gravitation.....is confusing because on earth, mass and > >weight are equal.... steve > > Ok, you say "it has been tested, and it is definitely there....". > > Again, I have to ask if you're sure it was tested. I mean, when has any > experiment taken place outside of a gravitational field? I could be wrong, > but it seems to me we're making assumptions here. So the inertia of > an object is the same everywhere in the universe, but it corresponds > correctly with Earthly weight? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 17:59:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23295; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980521005028.006b8274@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:50:28 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"aoGMJ.0.uh5.IntOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4689 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:50 PM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote: >>pioneers.Now we understand Neuton was right all along and action and >>reaction laws still apply in space.It may not be so easy to sling the >family >>sedan around in space because you still are dealing with mass and that >still >>requires muscle to get it moving and to stop it moving. > > I could be wrong, but see my reply to Rick. If you still disagree, let >me know. > >Dave > If mass and inertia disappear in deep space then if an astronaut does a flip in his space craft he will not hurt himself if he happens to bump his head on the warp coils.In fact if he had a single hair sticking out when that hair touched something he would immediately stop spinning.Extreme examples but you get my point Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 18:28:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10900; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:28:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:28:06 -0700 Message-ID: <01a201bd8401$8c404d60$97ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: , "Peter Bros" , "Lee Markland" , "cary johnson" Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:11:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"5t4a02.0.Cg2.bCuOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4690 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > If mass and inertia disappear in deep space then if an astronaut does a >flip in his space craft he will not hurt himself if he happens to bump his >head on the warp coils.In fact if he had a single hair sticking out when >that hair touched something he would immediately stop spinning.Extreme >examples but you get my point > > > > Woody Extreme, yes. I see your point. But I have to be honest. I actually do think that would happen if there were NO gravitational field around to give an object inertia. Very counter-intuitive, but no more so than Einstien's "space-warping", no? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 18:51:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02806; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: will it really work? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:52:17 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"PuNMb.0.kh.uXuOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4691 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is there any part of space without a gravity field? Seems like all of space has some gravity field from some source, although with the inverse square law, it can be pretty small in relatively "empty" parts of space. I don't think that inertia is a function of gravity, but rather an independant property of mass. So the strength of the gravity field is not relevant to the amount of inertia. If you accept the aether theories, then inertia is a side effect of the aether, sort of like counter EMF. Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: davelook [SMTP:davelook@gsinet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 8:11 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Peter Bros; Lee Markland; cary johnson > Subject: Re: will it really work? > > > If mass and inertia disappear in deep space then if an astronaut > does a > >flip in his space craft he will not hurt himself if he happens to > bump his > >head on the warp coils.In fact if he had a single hair sticking out > when > >that hair touched something he would immediately stop > spinning.Extreme > >examples but you get my point > > > > > > > > Woody > > Extreme, yes. I see your point. But I have to be honest. I actually > do > think > that would happen if there were NO gravitational field around to give > an > object > inertia. Very counter-intuitive, but no more so than Einstien's > "space-warping", no? > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 19:16:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03755; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:15:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:15:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: will it really work? In-Reply-To: <01a201bd8401$8c404d60$97ec060c@davelook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VBHSB1.0.Bw.MvuOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4692 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 20 May 1998, davelook wrote: > Extreme, yes. I see your point. But I have to be honest. I actually do > think > that would happen if there were NO gravitational field around to give an > object > inertia. Very counter-intuitive, but no more so than Einstien's > "space-warping", no? Photons are massless, and so they can't help but always travel at maximum speed. If you were massless and an air molecule bumped you, you'd go flying off infinitely fast (or at the top speed limit.) Hmmm. If ALL mass changed as it departed from a gravity field, how would we know? If the inertia AND the attraction to distant planets both changed together, then orbits wouldn't be altered. If my inertia and the inertia of air molecules both became less, then neither of us would go zooming off if we were to collide. If the spaceship has less mass, but the fuel does too, then the engines would still work the same. If the mass changes, but the methods of determining mass also change, how would anyone know? I guess if you had a million-mile stick and you waved it around, it would feel very different if the end that was far from the earth had little mass. Weight is not mass, weight is the attraction to earth, while mass is what you feel when you shake something back and forth. However, inertia (meaning mass) might be connected to empty space. If there were few other stars in this universe, it might affect how mass behaves. Or, maybe inertia is caused by the ZPE (the 'ether'), and if there is any way to change the ZPE in empty space, then that would also change the mass of nearby objects (and perhaps create gravity-type forces). ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 21:33:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06807; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:33:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:33:27 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:32:58 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: RE: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"oUNyU3.0.8g1.JwwOr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4693 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Charles - > Is there any part of space without a gravity > field? Seems like all of space has some gravity > field from some source, although with the > inverse square law, it can be pretty small in > relatively "empty" parts of space. I think Dave actually has this one partially right, but not quite in the way he thinks. All of space probably *is* filled with gravitational potential. But that potential is most dependent on the most distant matter surrounding it. This is Mach's principle. That's why Dave is right in a way - if it weren't for the gravitational potential permeating all of space, there would indeed be no inertia, at least if Mach's principle is right. I've recently read some rather compelling work that favors Mach's principle over local properties of mass being responsible (well, they're co-responsible anyway...) for inertia, so I'm biased at the moment. For now though, iertia is generally held to be a big mystery (one of the very biggest, in fact), but that may not last much longer. We'll see. In our lifetime, I bet. > I don't think that inertia is a function of > gravity, but rather an independant property of > mass. So the strength of the gravity field is not > relevant to the amount of inertia. It's apparently not a function of nearby masses, so inertia would work the same out far from the earth as it does on its surface. The contribution of the nearby mass of a planet is nothing compared to the contribution from the rest of the universal mass. If inertia was dependent on the proximity of large gravitational masses, then we should notice a gradual reduction of that property as work is done further out in space from the gravitational source. In fact, inertia should be measurably modified in an instrument operating on board an aircraft at 40,000 ft. as compared to an identical unit operating at sea level. But of course no such differences are seen. Inertia is *not* appreciably affected by proximity to planetary or solar gravitational influences. Dave, gyroscopes used to stabilize instruments and so forth on distant space probes operating at greatly reduced gravitational fields far from any planet or even the sun still work fine. If they were dependent on *local* gravitational fields for their inertial effect, then they would certainly show it. It has been well tested. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 20 21:36:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25459; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01bd83f1$c579e920$97ec060c@davelook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:33:08 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"5nMbj2.0.dD6.lywOr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4694 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > I mean, when has any experiment taken place > outside of a gravitational field? Technically no experiment like that can ever be done, unless gravity can be shielded. However it's very easy to do an experiment near the surface of a planet, and then compare that to one done in a much weaker local field far out in space. If your idea were true, you would at least expect to see a substantial reduction in inertia if not its complete disappearance in such a case. But every spacecraft with a gyroscope on board it somewhere (IOW, just about every spacecraft) does the experiment over again, and no such effects occur. See my other post to Charles. Still though, I think you are on the right track. I agree with you: gravity *is* the source of inertia...just not local gravity from tiny little insignificant masses like a nearby stars or planet. You need something really big like an entire universe to get a pound of mass to behave inertially like a pound of mass. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 21 02:34:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18727; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 02:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3563F2F1.1D4D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:25:06 -1000 From: bill perry Reply-To: wperry3092@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Perpetual Light Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ywVKw1.0.Wa4.kJ_Or"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4695 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All! Light, when reflected off of a surface, loses a slight amount of energy, due to the electrons in the reflective substance absorbing the photon's energy and reemitting photons as the electrons fall to a lower energy level. What if we built a sphere, whose interior is extremely reflective, and around the exterior of the sphere, we place a superconductive layer? As the light hits the reflective sphere's interior, the electrons will jump to a higher level, since the electrons do this, it should generate a very small electromagnetic counterpart, which would be opposed by the superconductive layer, thusly causing the electron to jump back to its original state with no energy loss? This would not be O/U, but would definitely, IMO, be UNITY! Any takers on this one? BillP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 21 11:50:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08231; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:50:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:50:16 -0700 From: K easy Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:49:30 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: will it really work? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"M5pvA2.0.S02.dT7Pr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4696 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 5/20/98 9:35:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, monteverde@worldnet.att.net writes: << That's why Dave is right in a way - if it weren't for the gravitational potential permeating all of space, there would indeed be no inertia, at least if Mach's principle is right. >> I agree with Rick on this whole subject except in my study of Mach's principle (or interpretation might be more accurate) it did not seem there is directly any connection between gravitation and inertia/Mach's principle. To me Mach's principle just states the inertia of bodies locally results from the presence and states of motion of all mass everywhere in the universe. But all objects anywhere, so far as known, respond similarly to a mechanical force f=ma (inertial mass) as to a gravitational "force" mg (gravitational mass). Does this sound reasonable? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 21 12:09:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23735; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Perpetual Light In-Reply-To: <3563F2F1.1D4D@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jC9E63.0.io5.Bl7Pr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4697 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 20 May 1998, bill perry wrote: > level. What if we built a sphere, whose interior is extremely > reflective, and around the exterior of the sphere, we place a > superconductive layer? I've always wondered why superconductors aren't perfectly silvery. Maybe the metal ones are, but the Copper Oxides are dark grey. Perhaps the superconductive parts are mixed with other material. When a copper oxide HTSC puck is cooled, does it suddenly become more reflective when it goes past the 90K threshold temperature? Wouldn't it be cool if it suddenly turned from black to silver? B. Perry's idea should work with shorter wavelengths. If HTSC ceramic doesn't reflect light 100%, perhaps it will reflect long IR or microwaves. You could make a superconductor box, insert a kilojoules microwave pulse, then close the lid. If the box was opened or if the temperature rose beyond 90K, BANG!, your corneas fry and your tooth fillings all melt. This is similar to a superconductor energy storage ring, a donut with an intense DC current. But the perpetual-light box is AC instead of DC. I wonder if it is possible to build up a microwave standing wave slowly? Pipe the energy in over time, like blowing up a balloon. The "perpetual light" box would be more like a perfect resonator. Open it, and you discharge the stored resonating EM wave. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 21 16:49:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14789; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:46:30 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: will it really work? Resent-Message-ID: <"tNqdX2.0.xc3.2sBPr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4698 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ken - > To me Mach's principle just states the inertia > of bodies locally results from the presence and > states of motion of all mass everywhere in the > universe. If the property of inertia imparted to mass by distant masses is caused by a version of gravitomagnetism, then there is the hard connection between gravity and inertia. Do check Woodward's site to see if you agree with his view on this. All just theory so far - unless perhaps if that gizmo of his really does work. Word is it does, although it hasn't been duplicated yet. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 22 16:26:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15842; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005601bd85d5$ae649ec0$99ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:02:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q3Fjy2.0.Nt3.KcWPr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4699 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >So the strength of the gravity field is >not relevant to the amount of inertia. > >Charles I could be wrong, but I find that very hard to believe, personally. Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 22 16:37:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13707; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:37:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: <006c01bd85d7$8aff6c60$99ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:15:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"eJ-OJ3.0.3M3.wmWPr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4700 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dave, gyroscopes used to stabilize instruments and so forth on distant >space probes operating at greatly reduced gravitational fields far from any >planet or even the sun still work fine. If they were dependent on *local* >gravitational fields for their inertial effect, then they would certainly >show it. Rick, They still work fine because the spacecraft loses just as much inertia as the gyroscope, so the gyroscope sees no difference in the amount of force needed for corrections. That's only my opinion, yet to be verified, of course. I'm dying for gravity shielding technology to answer this question either way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 22 17:50:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27753; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: will it really work? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:52:44 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"NaAQN.0.Yn6.8rXPr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4701 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am new to this list, so bear with me. Why do you think the amount of inertia would be dependent on the strength of gravity at the location of the object? Viewed as electrical circuit analogs, gravity is a type of electrostatic attraction, and inertia is equivalent to inductance that resists changes in electric current. The two forces would seem to be independent. Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: davelook [SMTP:davelook@gsinet.net] > Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 4:02 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: will it really work? > > >So the strength of the gravity field is > >not relevant to the amount of inertia. > > > >Charles > > > I could be wrong, but I find that very hard to believe, > personally. > > Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 22 18:19:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03008; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001c01bd85e5$6bdea400$86ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: , "Peter Bros" , "Lee Markland" , "cary johnson" Subject: Re: will it really work? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:55:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"COtS13.0.pk.tFYPr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4702 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I am new to this list, so bear with me. Why do you think the amount of >inertia would be dependent on the strength of gravity at the location of >the object? > >Charles Simply because gravity gives objects their perceived weight. The physics formulas for centrifugal force calculate from "mass", which in my way of thinking is the type of nuclei, times "how many". Let me ask you this... Do you honestly believe that you would have the same trouble shaking a family sedan on a planet with 1% of the Earth's gravity? (Ignore the cartoon in physics books showing an astronaut trying to shake an anvil.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 22 18:35:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05894; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: will it really work? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:37:34 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"EJd0g.0._R1.9VYPr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4703 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On a planet with 1% earth's gravity, if you raised your arms and someone placed a sedan on your hands, you would be able to hold it up (20 to sixty pounds of force required). But the moment you tried to change its position, relative to yourself, then you would have to exert exactly the same amount of force as you would on earth. It is similar to a large object floating in the water here on earth. You don't have to exert force to hold it up against the gravitational force, the water does that. But the minute you try to change the position of the floating object, you must exert much force to change its speed, direction or location (i.e. overcome inertia). This (for all experiments reported to date) is true anywhere, regardless of the amount of gravity force present. I am curious if there is any experimental evidence to the contrary. Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: davelook [SMTP:davelook@gsinet.net] > Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 5:55 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Peter Bros; Lee Markland; cary johnson > Subject: Re: will it really work? > > Let me ask you this... Do you honestly believe that you would have > the > same > trouble shaking a family sedan on a planet with 1% of the Earth's > gravity? > (Ignore > the cartoon in physics books showing an astronaut trying to shake an > anvil.) > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 23 01:56:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16474; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:56:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01bd85d7$8aff6c60$99ec060c@davelook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:53:58 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: will it really work? (No.) Resent-Message-ID: <"yZNJM.0.F14.DzePr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4704 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > They still work fine because the spacecraft > loses just as much inertia as the gyroscope, so > the gyroscope sees no difference in the amount > of force needed for corrections. Of course there would be a big difference in the amount of force. That's precisely the point. This would be the mechanical equivalent of an astronaut finding it easy to shake the sedan. Less force would be required to shake it if your idea is correct, and less force would be needed to rotate and move things. Servo motors would be drawing far less power to move things around. Engineers would notice, big time. Astronauts were on the moon with about 1/6 less gravity than the earth. Was it six times easier to accelerate things? Did those 250lb. suits feel like they only had 40-ish lbs. of mass to accelerate or stop when moving? Did the golf club or geologist's hammers feel like balsa wood? If that happened, they never reported those incredibly important facts. What about rocket thrust? The inertial mass of the fuel and the rocket would both drop by the same proportion according to your idea, but the *energy* in the fuel would be the same. Thrust impulse goes as the square of velocity, and with much lower mass fuel and a lower mass spaceship to move, the energy in every gram of fuel would provide much greater velocity and thus a much greater net impulse. All rocket firings would give wildly wrong results unless this mutual mass change was accounted for. It doesn't happen Dave. The evidence does not support your idea. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 23 06:31:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29745; Sat, 23 May 1998 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003001bd864e$c071daa0$a4ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: will it really work? (No.) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 09:29:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"zXqMu2.0.gG7.f-iPr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4705 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dave - > > > They still work fine because the spacecraft > > loses just as much inertia as the gyroscope, so > > the gyroscope sees no difference in the amount > > of force needed for corrections. > >Of course there would be a big difference in the amount of force. That's >precisely the point. This would be the mechanical equivalent of an >astronaut finding it easy to shake the sedan. Less force would be required >to shake it if your idea is correct, and less force would be needed to >rotate and move things. ****Servo motors would be drawing far less power to >move things around. Engineers would notice, big time.**** You may have something there. I definitely agree the servos would need less power. If they always require the same power to reorient the craft, that blows my theory out of the water!! >Astronauts were on the moon with about 1/6 less gravity than the earth. Was >it six times easier to accelerate things? Did those 250lb. suits feel like >they only had 40-ish lbs. of mass to accelerate or stop when moving? Did >the golf club or geologist's hammers feel like balsa wood? Don't know. >What about rocket thrust? The inertial mass of the fuel and the rocket >would both drop by the same proportion according to your idea, but the >*energy* in the fuel would be the same. Thrust impulse goes as the square >of velocity, and with much lower mass fuel and a lower mass spaceship to >move, the energy in every gram of fuel would provide much greater velocity >and thus a much greater net impulse. All rocket firings would give wildly >wrong results unless this mutual mass change was accounted for. True. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 25 07:11:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11485; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35697B1E.C6A10A3A@harti.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:07:27 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l Subject: Greg Watson update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UIwVI1.0.Mp2.ZlNQr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4706 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com He writes on his homeapage: "Solid "Rollaway" SMOT design to be released 31 May, 1998" So, do we finally get our ordered SMOT kits ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 25 08:19:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25316; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:16:57 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Test (Delete) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"lPXWa.0.SB6.9mOQr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4707 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Test (Delete) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 25 19:51:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13207; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:51:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:51:05 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8826.E72469E0@pm3-134.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Project Omicron Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA13180 Resent-Message-ID: <"HPu3x2.0.9E3.OuYQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4708 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Does anyone here have any info on James Tracy's "Project Omicron"? I have been studying it often, but cannot find any real substance behind what it is. Thanks, Kyle Randall Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 Fax: 228-872-5837 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 25 20:12:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19151; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:12:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: <356A32EB.67001211@darknet.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:11:39 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "KeelyNet-L@lists.kz" Subject: Re: Project Omicron References: <01BD8826.E72469E0@pm3-134.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xm6Ws2.0.7h4.BCZQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4709 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Hello all: > > Does anyone here have any info on James Tracy's "Project Omicron"? I have been studying it often, but cannot find any real substance behind what it is. Hi Kyle, In general, it's a project to discover the nature of gravity, and possibly construct a working anti-gravity device. I have spoken with Jim Tracy several times (he's on my ICQ contact list actually, but I haven't spoken to him recently) and I haven't heard much about the project. He recently wrote a book on his theory, and has apparently been discussing it with Dr. Podkletnov(sp?).. Other than that, I don't know much about the project, except for the fact that I offered to redesign their website, and they used the title graphic I made for a bunch of t-shirts. ;) (http://www.darknet.net/projects/omicron/tshirt.jpg) Here's the graphic if anyone is interested in seeing it.. nothing to do with Project Omicron except for the name tho.. ;) ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 25 21:12:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA30538; Mon, 25 May 1998 21:12:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:12:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:08:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: leoguitar@vossnet.de cc: freenrg-l Subject: Re: Greg Watson update... In-Reply-To: <35697B1E.C6A10A3A@harti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Jyy7F3.0.2T7.b4aQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4710 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 25 May 1998, Stefan Hartmann wrote: He writes on his homeapage: "Solid "Rollaway" SMOT design to be released 31 May, 1998" So, do we finally get our ordered SMOT kits ? Regards, Stefan. ---------------------------------- Good News indeed, right on target date too. (stroke of midnight DMEC expiration) 'Hope/May we all Gain from this'. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon May 25 23:39:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23141; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:39:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:39:34 -0700 Message-ID: <356A6433.3382ACDB@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:11:55 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Smot Kits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yJW053.0.Nf5.bEcQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4711 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, The DMEC deal still is a mess. It looks like I will not have access to my material for some time. Always remember, "Contracts are only worth the money you have to give to lawyers. When the money runs out, so to do the lawyers and your contract." However, I have developed a sort of reverse SMOT unit which gives solid rollaways. It's still in the SMOT family, sort of. Remember the differential SMOT loss page. Well its all in there. I have also been working on a new effect with Butch LaFonte which we call the LaFonte-Watson Generator. Based on a unique, but simple, effect which causes a ferromagnetic object to be attracted toward a area of decreasing magnetic flux. More details soon. Best Regards to you all, Greg Watson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 03:13:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20568; Tue, 26 May 1998 03:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356A95D7.4945C332@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:43:43 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: (Off Topic) Aging, Baby Boomers & Growth Hormone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Ci422.0.715.9NfQr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4712 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI All, While this subject is not OU, its is still very close to all of our hearts. Read about my personal research, testing & some of the solid science behind how to grab the hands of time & turn them back about 20 years. Its safe, real, low cost & it works. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 03:56:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16804; Tue, 26 May 1998 03:55:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <356AA072.56965007@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:28:58 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Rollaway SMOT testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2xGbQ2.0.T64.--fQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4713 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI All, I plan to sent a sample SMOT "Rollaway" unit to Dr. Barry Merriman, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Bill Beaty, Jean-Louis Naudin & Hamdi Ucar. I would like each of the above to post their acceptance of the following : 1) Post a notice upon the units arrival. 2) Post their initial testing results with-in 24 hours of arrival. Once I have their verifications, I will ship to all the other purchasers. Full plans will be posted to my web site on the 31st May, 1998. I WILL post an advise when they are up. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 07:47:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03707; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:47:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:47:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: Greg Watson cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: SMOT shipment, DMEC deal In-Reply-To: <356AA072.56965007@microtronics.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pQLHV1.0.iv.AOjQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4714 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 26 May 1998, Greg Watson wrote: > I plan to sent a sample SMOT "Rollaway" unit to Dr. Barry Merriman, Dr. > Hal Puthoff, Bill Beaty, Jean-Louis Naudin & Hamdi Ucar. I would like > each of the above to post their acceptance of the following : > > 1) Post a notice upon the units arrival. > 2) Post their initial testing results with-in 24 hours of arrival. Hi Greg! I accept, I can do this. Hope they're sturdy enough to withstand international shipping without de-calibration. When all this is over, I hope you'll write up a history of the business doings of DMEC. The technology issues can stay secret or not, but if the business side stays secret, then the next future inventor will probably repeat the same mistakes. The trouble with the "Sweet VTA" and other similar inventions was that the inside history of the business side was never made public, so we could never learn from their failure, learn what to avoid, learn what to do differently. I suspect that if we knew the business history of many previous O/U discoveries, we would find a repeating pattern which future inventors could recognize and avoid. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 10:18:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18688; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:17:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:17:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New antigravity group: ISPEGFT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA18632 Resent-Message-ID: <"qg-Hf1.0.kZ4.ralQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4715 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Forwarded message, see attached (site address is in Croatia) http://agram.phy.hr/bertovic/antigravity.html Note that the author is NOT subscribed to FREENRG-L ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L CAN MAN MAKE A ANTIGRAVITY MACHINE??? Note this is only a part of my works, the whole can be find at: http://agram.phy.hr/bertovic/bos1.html. I believe that almost every reader will be aware that to be able to fly has always been one of mankind’s greatest aspirations. I also believe that far fewer people are aware of the fact that the most fierce resistance offered by the conservative scientific mind was directed against the development of flying technologies. As a consequence, that technology developed thanks primarily to audacious, even reckless, scientific amateurs; by do-it-yourself artisans, and by far seeing enterpreneurs who realised its considerable business potentials. To date, experience demonstrates that the gravifugal flying craft will fare the same. Those very experts who should have least difficulty in comprehending it have demonstrated the least understanding. This leads me to believe that the first gravifugal flying craft will be built by some lone, enthusiastic amateur in his basement workshop. I know that the initial reaction of the great majority of readers will be one of disbelief, but those who have read my paper carefully will have realised that this craft is more simple and less expensive than the first aircraft constructed by the Wright brothers. The need to control gravitation has been present for a long time, and with time that need can only become more prominent. However, since we still do not really know what gravitation is, we are unable to control it in any fundamental way. We are therefore left with the option of controlling it in the same way as we have always done, as, for instance, with the flights of artificial satellites, where gravitation is used as centripetal force which is controlled by the centrifugal force created by the rotation of the satellite around the Earth. At the speed at which centrifugal force becomes equal to centripetal force (gravitation) the weight of the satellite disappears and astronauts find themselves in a weightless condition, etc. At this point in time this is the only method we have to control gravitation. This work, however, indicates how this method can be considerably improved, as well as demonstrating how centrifugal force which controls gravitation can be created when a mass we want to become weightless is not rotating around the Earth. When speaking about GRAVIFUGAL force we are in fact referring to a certain kind of centrifugal force created through rotation in which gravitation functions as centripetal, (i.e. GRAVIPETAL) force. The designations ‘centripetal’ and ‘centrifugal’ do not denominate some special forces, but rather the direction in which a particular force acts during a rotational process – towards a centre or away from it, or rather, towards the axis of rotation of away from it. Any one of the known forces may be centripetal in direction, that is to say, perform the function of a centripetal force. Anybody who would like to offer a critical appraisal on this concept, or who would like to make a contribution to its development and ultimate realisation, can forward it me, Dr. Petar Bosnic Petrus, at the following address: Langova 35, 10430 Samobor, Croatia, or e-mail me: . Also an application for membership of the International Society for Promotion and Exploitation of Gravifugal Technology may also be forwarded to address above. Dr. Petar Bosnic Petrus From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 10:54:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27876; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:54:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:54:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: William Beaty Subject: Re: other Marinov motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MR1cU1.0.Np6.67mQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4716 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 26 May 1998, Horace Heffner wrote: > With no ferrous balls there should be no significant vortex created due to > all current from the outer bearing sleve to the inner bearing sleve being > radial, and there being no longitudinal magnetic field. If the balls are > submersed in liquid solder then the electrical path through the balls is > shunted and efficiency is shot. Exactly, it would help verfiy the mechanism behind the effect, since what would we say if the liquid metal did not wreck the effect, or even made it run better? I'm speculating that the effect might have something to do with Graneau's Amperian forces. Of course it might be quicker to test it with Stainless Steel (or brass?) bearings. Perhaps some nonferrous balls can be put into a standard race if nonferrous bearing assemblies are too hard to find. http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~wwl/bbmotor.html Idea: vortices can go either CW or CCW, maybe this is the electromagnetic analog of a fluid vortex. Or maybe I should sit down and think about it, rather than speculating off the top of my head. :) Is anyone from Graneau's project still listening in? If radial current flows in a pool of mercury to a central electrode, does the pool "want" to rotate one way or another? Or if something should initiate a rotary motion, in the liquid metal, will the radial (spiral?) current cause that motion to continue? Another idea: If a disk-type homopolar motor has no magnets, and if a huge current is applied, will an *AXIAL* (dipole) magnetic field appear if the rotor is spun by hand? After all, the manual spinning causes the charge path to move in a spiral motion like a coil. If axial fields appear, then it would form a virtual "field-coil", and we would have a self-excited homopolar motor. After all, there ARE the self-excited homopolar generators which have spiral slots cut in their rotors. Maybe the spiral slots aren't needed. And maybe a slotless, self-exciting HPG will act as a self-exciting homopolar motor when a huge current is applied and the shaft is given a twist to get things going. (note that 'self-exciting' doesn't mean 'overunity', it just means that the current causes stator fields as well as the fields associated with the rotor, which eliminates any need for permanent magnets or DC-powered field coils.) Oooo! Oooo! Yet another idea: does ball-bearing geometry make a good homopolar generator? Maybe. There is rotation, but there is no high-speed sliding contact! Perhaps the ultimate HPG would take the form of a giant copper needle-bearing, with copper disks taking the place of the "needles". Hmmm. Didn't I just re-invent Searl's device? Why don't homopolar generators have needle rollers along the rotor rim, to eliminate the sliding friction? Too small a contact area? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 15:57:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18527; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:56:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:56:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:52:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: Rollaway SMOT testing In-Reply-To: <356AA072.56965007@microtronics.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zYc_D3.0.JX4.iYqQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4717 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 26 May 1998, Greg Watson wrote: HI All, I plan to sent a sample SMOT "Rollaway" unit to Dr. Barry Merriman, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Bill Beaty, Jean-Louis Naudin & Hamdi Ucar. I would like each of the above to post their acceptance of the following : 1) Post a notice upon the units arrival. 2) Post their initial testing results with-in 24 hours of arrival. Once I have their verifications, I will ship to all the other purchasers. Full plans will be posted to my web site on the 31st May, 1998. I WILL post an advise when they are up. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson -------------------------- YES! "IT'S HERE!" (hope/hope:) Guilty of being a perpetual optimist, "I sense Great Feelings again that the Entire World is going to recieve 'LIGHT', THANKS TO GREG!" *IF's* abound, but WHEN is in a count-down now. (again).. Personally, I'm excited for 'ALL' (You too Jed:) , 5 days till Christmas! 5 days till the Wright Bros. launch!, 5 days till man on the moon! etc.. Yes YES Y_E_S!, I'm giddy for the first recipents, And I'm not even ON the LIST! (BUT, my own hands have felt IT, and mine own eyes have seen IT!) As with the latest technology of digitized commericals on TV.. I suspect "WE" won't believe our eyes at first. Please REPORT(s) IN!! --------------- Eyes Open, Thinking Caps ON --------------- -=se=- Guilty Optimist, and COUNTING 5,4,3,2,1! Now, GROUP(s) LET'S JUST DO IT!!! ekwall2@diac.com steve (lerking [self-appointed? whatever..] vortexian cheerleader:) ekwall Ahem, DR(s)/Sirs:/Gentle(&wo)man, "GO..GO..G_O!!" YES! Talent is what you possess, genius is what possess YOU ! :) - Malcolm Cowley - American Author & critic (1898-1989) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 16:12:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20861; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356B4C84.4F26ADE2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:43:08 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Caution on SMOT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kk8Hw3.0.k55.PnqQr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4718 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI All, Just a note about caution. While I have been able to make devices which seem to be OU, they might NOT be. The power I can extract is VERY small. I haven't been able to get much more than weak operation. I am starting to suspect that the effect I have uncovered may be some sort of a thermal to magnetic effect as some on these lists have suggested. But I could be wrong. Thats why I am sending units to several professional Physicists. I am just a amateur in reality. Anyway ............. One small cautious step at a time .............. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 16:59:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10182; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:59:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:59:33 -0700 Message-ID: <356B5620.1E9B8679@idt.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:54:08 -0400 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caution on SMOT References: <356B4C84.4F26ADE2@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PaZDF.0.xU2.ZTrQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4719 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If it is just a thermal to magnetic effect, that it would be negentropic, right? And I hear that negentropy is a useful property of an f/e device. If you will excuse the mixed metaphor, throw caution to the winds of change. :-) -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 17:00:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10310; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:59:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:59:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:59:22 +1000 X-Sender: mindtech@mailhost.nor.com.au (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) Subject: The end of batteries? Resent-Message-ID: <"-IDc93.0.TW2.kTrQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4720 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The following is a excerpt from "PC Authority" magazine June issue. Would be easily adaptable to Methane, given the right diet. Would you please plug in my laptop dear? (small snip) The device, a shirt-button sized generator, promises to extend laptop battery life by at least 20 times. Despite its size, the button generator effectively mirrors the technology of a jet engine, claims Alan Epstein (MIT), the generator's designer. "It is a lot of fun to do. It's not really a case of scaling jet technology down but scaling microelectronics up", he says. The generator, says Epstein, is a Micro Electro Mechanical (MEM) system, and works in a similar way to a conventional jet engine. Air is compressed and mixed with the fuel (diesel or petrol). This in turn burns in a combustion chamber and turns the generator.Epstein claims early prototypes can generate up to 50W of power. MIT's generator also promises a better price performance ratio, with pricing expected to be on a par with conventional Lithium ion batteries. "I think it will be competitively priced. The initial outlay will be cheaper than buying a battery, and when it runs out all you will have to do is replace the fuel", says Epstein. It is likely tthat real life special agents will be the first to get their hands on the technology as the US military is paying for the research. The rest of us will just have to wait until around the year 2002. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue May 26 22:45:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12537; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:45:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:45:00 -0700 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980526130308.007c7100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:03:08 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Yull Brown Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ziOcP3.0.o33.RXwQr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4721 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Professor Yull Brown passed away Friday May 22nd, 1998, at 21:20 local time, at the Westmead Hospital in Auburn (near Sydney) Australia. He died with his loved ones and closest friends by his bedside. Did you have a successful trip to the UK. I am going to Germany in July. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 12:57:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12414; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:56:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:56:55 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <4920bb0a.356c6f1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:52:59 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Caution on SMOT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"vvsVP3.0.o13.607Rr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4722 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 5/26/98 4:25:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gwatson@microtronics.com.au writes: << While I have been able to make devices which seem to be OU, they might NOT be. The power I can extract is VERY small. I haven't been able to get much more than weak operation. >> I thought? (my memory may be a little weak on this) about a year ago you posted results of a RMOT that ran for three or four hours; and connected SMOTs that ran for over 3 days, both without any external energy input whatever. That to me would clearly be OU. What am I missing here? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 13:01:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13359; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:01:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:01:23 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:00:45 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The end of batteries? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"ta8QI1.0.aG3.H47Rr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4723 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 5/26/98 5:05:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mindtech@nor.com.au writes: << The device, a shirt-button sized generator, promises to extend laptop battery life by at least 20 times. Despite its size, the button generator effectively mirrors the technology of a jet engine >> So much for a quiet laptop?? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 15:46:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12773; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356C97D1.D3B010CC@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:16:41 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Caution on SMOT References: <4920bb0a.356c6f1f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bPdng3.0.K73.NU9Rr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4724 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Keasy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/26/98 4:25:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > gwatson@microtronics.com.au writes: > > << > While I have been able to make devices which seem to be OU, they might > NOT be. > > The power I can extract is VERY small. I haven't been able to get much > more than weak operation. >> > I thought? (my memory may be a little weak on this) about a year ago you > posted results of a RMOT that ran for three or four hours; and connected SMOTs > that ran for over 3 days, both without any external energy input whatever. > That to me would clearly be OU. What am I missing here? > Ken Keasy@aol.com HI Ken, What are you missing? Only that I have NOT been able to produce ANY amount of energy much above break-even. When a slight load was placed on the very early RMOD, it stopped. It could be readjusted for that slight load, but if the load was removed, it stopped. I discussed this with several Vortex members. Take a SMOT and use a ramp to roll the ball into the entry fast. When it hits the entrance, it SLOWS DOWN and climbs the ramp at about the same speed as a ball released with ZERO KE does. The SMOT effect seems to self regulate itself. Anyone who has played with a SMOT has seen this happen. My caution is not that I can get a "Rollaway", but that the SMOT may not be a very good new energy source. Also remember that I asked the question "Where could the energy come from" many times in those early days. I think it was Rick (Vortex) who suggested the thermal-magnetic link as a possible energy source. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 17:16:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21589; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:15:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:15:56 -0700 Message-ID: <356CAB7E.6E7A722@idt.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:10:38 -0400 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Heeeelllllooooo. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rm7N73.0.EH5.xoARr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4725 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, is anyone recieving my posts? and if so, are you responding and I am just not recieving it? Or is it that what I have to say is not worth responding to? -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 17:26:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29552; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356CAF62.C6336F87@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:57:14 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Heeeelllllooooo. References: <356CAB7E.6E7A722@idt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3qPsJ3.0.fD7.hyARr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4726 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Josef Katz wrote: > > Hi, is anyone recieving my posts? and if so, are you responding and I > am just not recieving it? Or is it that what I have to say is not worth > responding to? > > -joey katz HI Joey, Loud & clear here in Oz. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 21:00:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20166; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:00:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:00:42 -0700 Message-ID: <356CE0BD.6403@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:57:49 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Eql652.0.vw4.f5ERr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4727 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gnorts! Was it here that someone said the Minato self-running bicycle wheel and the scaled up generator version had long past been proven a fraud in Japan? I remember reading it and recently received information that the bicycle wheel does not IN FACT run by itself, but runs only when a very strong magnet is handheld near the wheel. Apparently Minato also knows this which is why he does not mount the magnet on a lockable swing arm to start the wheel and keep it running without human intervention. For those who took the time to experiment with the Hamel spinner, the resetting effect is identical, induced by a slight jitter of the hand to reload the spin... When the ring magnet is held over the disc magnet sitting on a ball bearing, the bearing spins rapidly until it slows or moves out of the influence of the ring magnet. http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/hamag.htm http://www.keelynet.com/energy/bedhispd.htm A friend of John Bedinis suggested cutting a very smooth slight depression in the table top so that as the ball moves away, it rolls slightly up the curve and then back down into the influence of the ring magnet to spin again...granted it would vary in speed but if it continued to run, it is a start. So whoever knows anything about how Minato is perceived in Japan, particularly his business practices, I would appreciate a reference(s) to where we can look it up. THANKS! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed May 27 23:18:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23007; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:15:05 EDT To: jdecker@keelynet.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"UKjfI.0.2d5.S6GRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4728 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 28/05/1998 06:02:30 , jdecker@keelynet.com wrote : << For those who took the time to experiment with the Hamel spinner, the resetting effect is identical, induced by a slight jitter of the hand to reload the spin... When the ring magnet is held over the disc magnet sitting on a ball bearing, the bearing spins rapidly until it slows or moves out of the influence of the ring magnet. >> Hi All, A similar device like the Hamel Spinner has been already patented since 1988.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- 4753623 : Magnetic spinner device ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- INVENTORS: Krut; William A., Pittsburgh, PA 15203 ISSUED: June 28, 1988 FILED: Dec. 16, 1986 ABSTRACT: A magnetically operated rotative amusement device or unit of a substantially self-starting nature has a see-through or transparent container or bowl-like support base provided with a lower, centrally disposed, pivot- receiving socket. A spinner has a pivot pin adapted to rest in the socket and to extend upwardly towards an open mouth portion of the support base. The support base has either an inner collar or a relatively narrow bowl to support the spinner in an upright, slightly tilted position in a ready-to-operate relation therein. A dome-shaped lid is used to close-off an open mouth portion of the support base and has a centrally, downwardly extending, permanent magnet supported in a vertically adjustable relation in which it is slightly spaced from and aligned with a second and opposing magnet carried by an upper end of the spinner. The spinner may be caused to rotate or spin by moving the lid in an angular relation to a closing-off position from a side of the bowl that is opposite to a tilted positioning of the spinner within the bowl. If the lid is in place or in a permanently mounted position with respect to the bowl, then spinning movement may be effected by slightly tilting the support base. Rotation of the spinner thus accomplished will continue for an effective period of approximately two or three minutes using a pivot pin on the spinner part and the socket therefor of a relatively hard and smooth material of minimized frictional resistance, for example, a tapered-end steel pivot pin and a socket of glass. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You will find all informations at : http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/4753623 ALL THE TESTS of Hamel Spinning disc that I have done, STOP after few minutes in FIXED position. As far as I am concerned, today, I think that the Hamel Spinning disc is a magnetic spin top device which uses PARAMETRIC EXCITATION BY HANDS to maintain its is spin. If you have the correct excitation frequency with YOUR HANDS you can obtain a VERY HIGH ENERGY SPIN with A LITTLE MOVEMENT OF YOUR HANDS. The energy induced with YOUR HAND is only to compensate the friction on the support. For all those want to see the diagram, pictures and video of the Hamel spinner in action, you may see also :http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/hamspin3.htm You can obtain the same effect, if you put the steel ball in a flat cylindrical box. :-) The most interesting effect in the Hamel spinner is the use of this principle for linking three units linked together (like the Hamel Fs)...The use of three "magnetic" units (three conical shapes linked together) may open some new ways to explore in the antigravity domain (??)...This has been done by David Hamel ("his claim") with his "Flying" (I hope) Saucer.... For all those want to see the diagram, pictures and animations about the Hamel FS, you may see also: http://members.aol.com/overunity2/html/hamelfs.htm Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 06:50:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10313; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:50:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:50:13 -0700 From: "Roger Weichert" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:26:30 +0930 Message-ID: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CCVZH1.0.2X2.KkMRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4729 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry W. Decker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 1:34 PM Subject: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? G'day Jerry and all. I'm sorry I cant shed any light on your main question but I would like to make a comment on this business of hand holding a manet to induce spin rather than as you suggest to mount it on a bracket. I recall in the infopac I bought on the Johnson Magnet Motor a similar setup was described. There Johnson demonstrated to a visiting journalist a number of magnets on the circumference of a turntable which would rotate if another magnet was held in the centre. I believed at the time that it worked but after thinking about it realised that if it were that simple, all Johnson would have had to do was to mount it permanently on a bracket and he would have had a perpetual motion machine. Obviously he didn't do this, otherwise we would have all heard of it years ago. I came to the conclusion that in holding the heavy magnet in the fields of the other magnets the slight movement of the handheld one was adding the extra work sufficient to make it appear a pmm. It's starting to look like Minato's device is in the same category. I would love to be wrong about this! Just one other comment on the JMM. I listened to a tape of a talk given by Les Adams (Owner of a magnet manufacturing business- A-Z Industries ?) some years ago and in reply to a question about whether the JMM actually worked, he said something to the effect that " we have built a lot of sets of magnets for people attempting to replicate it, but none have ever come back for a second set" Sorry to sound like a wet blanket. Regards Roger. >Gnorts! > >Was it here that someone said the Minato self-running bicycle wheel and >the scaled up generator version had long past been proven a fraud in >Japan? > >I remember reading it and recently received information that the bicycle >wheel does not IN FACT run by itself, but runs only when a very strong >magnet is handheld near the wheel. Apparently Minato also knows this >which is why he does not mount the magnet on a lockable swing arm to >start the wheel and keep it running without human intervention. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 09:59:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16603; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:58:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:58:49 -0700 Message-ID: <356D971E.3F4E@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:55:58 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? References: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mPqGq.0.K34.7VPRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4730 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Roger! At this point, I'm a bit confused. I saw the short video clip and he did hold it in his hand, but NOW, someone sent in two pics of the thing mounted in an aluminum base and with a fixed magnet and in one of them, the wheel is spinning bigtime. So the verdict will remain out until a few of us can actually duplicate it. I am of the opinion that Minato is so secretive because he knows that the device is just so simple and that if someone can see it up close and take some measurements, they will be able to easily duplicate it. If you look at just about every machine or invention, it all spawned from one simple anomaly or effect, then was combined with other techniques to create the full scale and COMPLEX patentable and thus saleable version. EVGRAY did it based on his high voltage capacitor experiments, that is, he made a large engine based on that simple initial discovery. I think Minato is fully aware of this and afraid people will simply steal his basic idea and go far beyond what he's done, leaving him out in the cold. If he'd just release it in a copyrighted shareware format, freely to the world, his name would forever be attached to it and all manner of honors and opportunities would come his way. We need that one success story using this format to show that it will work with a new discovery and amply reward the inventor. At any rate, the pics aren't to be made public yet and I can't provide any URL for them....have to play the game for now... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 13:23:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08371; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3D900D399CCDD111B3AB00805FE6FFA3099C74@exchange201.comp.pge.com> From: "Goodwin, Frank" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Heeeelllllooooo. Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:20:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id NAA08335 Resent-Message-ID: <"c2Eb81.0.e22.VUSRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4731 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Received in sunny (?) California. īŊ`·.ļļ.Frank Goodwin.ļļ.·īŊ` fog@technologist.com Frequently at Pacific Gas & Electric Co., San Francisco The correlation coefficient between their views and my postings approaches 0 as a function of time. > ---------- > From: Josef Katz[SMTP:joeyk19@idt.net] > Reply To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 5:10 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Heeeelllllooooo. > > Hi, is anyone recieving my posts? and if so, are you responding and I > am just not recieving it? Or is it that what I have to say is not worth > responding to? > > -joey katz > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 13:38:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11293; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356DC972.D67880BF@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:30:42 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdecker@keelynet.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> <356D971E.3F4E@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"48lUT1.0.Km2.6jSRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4732 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jerry W. Decker wrote: At any rate, the pics aren't to be made public yet and I can't provide any URL for them....have to play the game for now... Hi Jerry and all This is science and not religion. If something works, can be proven. Everybody can have faith, and belive in god, extraterrestrial visitors, etc. If this device works and the inventor don't want to explain it, you can add Mr Minato to the large list of crazy inventors (Hammel, Hubbard, Kromrey, Bedini... (place here your favs).). Vicente. > -- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 13:55:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06753; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:55:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:55:27 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:54:06 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Caution on SMOT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"mcs2C.0.Pf1.-ySRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4733 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 5/27/98 3:46:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gwatson@microtronics.com.au writes: << Take a SMOT and use a ramp to roll the ball into the entry fast. When it hits the entrance, it SLOWS DOWN and climbs the ramp at about the same speed as a ball released with ZERO KE does. The SMOT effect seems to self regulate itself. Anyone who has played with a SMOT has seen this happen. >> This would appear to be an eddy current effect. I would think a high mu non-conductive ferrite ball would not do that, but I do not know if it would improve the overall performance. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 14:14:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12655; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:14:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:14:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199805282110.SAA29326@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:57:56 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"XAJuv3.0.V53.cETRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4734 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > G'day Jerry and all. > > I'm sorry I cant shed any light on your main question but I would like to make > a comment on this business of hand holding a manet to induce spin rather than > as you suggest to mount it on a bracket. > > I recall in the infopac I bought on the Johnson Magnet Motor a similar setup > was described. There Johnson demonstrated to a visiting journalist a number > of magnets on the circumference of a turntable which would rotate if another > magnet was held in the centre. > > I believed at the time that it worked but after thinking about it realised > that if it were that simple, all Johnson would have had to do was to mount it > permanently on a bracket and he would have had a perpetual motion machine. > Obviously he didn't do this, otherwise we would have all heard of it years > ago. > And what if we mount the magnet on a rotating bracket ? What will be the energy necessary to rotate this magnet and what will be the energy we could recover from the rotating turntable ? > I came to the conclusion that in holding the heavy magnet in the fields of the > other magnets the slight movement of the handheld one was adding the extra > work sufficient to make it appear a pmm. It's starting to look like Minato's > device is in the same category. I would love to be wrong about this! The same question about the Hammel Spinner : what is the energy necessary to sustain the spinner motion and what will we the recoverable energy ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 14:26:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16384; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:26:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:26:30 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <30753014.356dd4e7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:19:33 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"wjMfB1.0.l_3.4QTRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4735 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 5/28/98 6:55:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rogerdw@lm.net.au writes: << >I remember reading it and recently received information that the bicycle >wheel does not IN FACT run by itself, but runs only when a very strong >magnet is handheld near the wheel. Apparently Minato also knows this >which is why he does not mount the magnet on a lockable swing arm to >start the wheel and keep it running without human intervention. > >> It may be obvious to many on this list but it is very simple, given a magnet and small electromagnic circuit (if someone wants to be devious) to provide force impulses between the two as the magnet passes by the electromagnet or vise-versa. This could easily account for perpetually spinning wheels, etc. In fact, the magnetic field of the earth can be used as the "magnet" so you really need only a small electromagnetic circuit -hidden and powered by a battery- to provide what at first appears to be perpetual motion. I don't know of any of the devices demonstrated from time to time over the years used any deception such as this, but it would have been a possibility. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 14:54:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25405; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:52:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:52:16 -0700 Message-ID: <356DDB9E.140A@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:48:14 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vramos@ctv.es CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? References: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> <356D971E.3F4E@keelynet.com> <356DC972.D67880BF@ctv.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mq7G72.0.iC6.AoTRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4736 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Vicente et al! This was the point of my original post; > Was it here (as on this list) that someone said the Minato > self-running bicycle wheel and the scaled up generator > version had long past been proven a fraud in Japan? It got morphed into all kinds of questions about validity, so I reiterate, WHO ON THIS LIST (if here) SAID THEY KNEW PEOPLE IN JAPAN WHO KNEW MINATO TO BE A FRAUD? That's all I'm asking. Hey, most of this stuff is FAR out of our control, but that is the way it is (for now) and we just have to keep checking and asking for more details...for those who don't want to follow it fine, lots of other things on the Internet to waste time with......I just happen to think there is something to it as do many others who have expressed interest in it, so we plod on. What happens IF (and it is a big IF), any one of us either duplicates Minato's device or he finally releases a plan showing anyone how to build one? Geez, all that time and bandwidth and claims and retractions on OTHER magnetic devices, ramps and such, was that name or any of those people labelled as crazy? No, isn't that peculia? You wrote; > add Mr Minato to the large list of crazy inventors (Hammel, > Hubbard, Kromrey, Bedini... (place here your favs).). I think you are WAY OUT OF BOUNDS calling John Bedini crazy on three wide-ranging mailing lists...I know him to be an honorable guy who I consider to be brilliant....you should talk with him personally before branding him like that publicly. Hamel and Kromrey I don't know but they are still alive and I know Hamel is available for interview/discussion. Bedini finds most of the people who call him complaining about his designs CHANGED THE PLANS, then complain when it doesn't work as stated. Well, DUH.... So, I am disappointed that you appear so eager to throw the baby out with the bathwater, it would seem your best approach would be to ignore the posts about these 'crazy' guys and stick with the chemical minutiae and smotson 'proofs'...that ALSO never seem to end with any final proof or evidence of o/u, heck, even unity.... Nowadays, I've become as big a pessimist as anyone, just asking that if someone makes a claim, that they agree to let it be independently proven, and this is particularly with regard to overunity, to date, NADA, though the claims abound. Anyway, the video shows the thing does spin when holding a magnet near it and it struck me as very similar to the Hamel Spinner. The Johnson device used shaped magnets, Minato does not. I simply remembered reading a post from someone that Minato was considered a fraud in Japan and was just wanting more info on that; who, where, when... So, all these questions come into play with Minato (and others); 1) Why has no working device been displayed in the media? 2) Why has no working device been shipped to the US for demonstration yet? 3) Why was Minato's website removed where the pictures WERE? 4) Why on the video did Minato NOT show it self-running but relied on holding the magnet near it, just like the Hamel spinner? 5) Why is there all this mystery about it unless; a) money and investors are involved? b) the inventor is greedy or paranoid about theft? c) the inventor KNOWS the thing is a fraud and is covering up? d) the inventor knows it is so simple that it could be easily duplicated and possibly ripped off or EXPANDED on far beyond what he has been able to do to date... And of course, now the Tony Binn claims from England for a gravity driven inertial type device which smacks of the Bessler wheel...still trying to find out more about that one....so give up??....NEVER, as long as there is a chance to see and actually build MY OWN self-running machine, I'll be watching, discussing, networking, doing whatever experiments I can. The tabletop off-the-shelf parts device that will prove the basic principle of the device is all I need to show the inventor isn't just 'crazy' or out to scam money, but they sure shoot themselves in the foot when they get secretive or are after big money FIRST....in time, in time...we will have at LEAST a self-running UNITY device. Hamel does appear a bit confused in his video but Bedini is one of the most lucid and logical people I've met. It serves no positive purpose to slam ANYONE as crazy in a public mailing list, let alone THREE of them...private emails, sure, tear them up, but PUBLIC???? -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 15:00:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26213; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356DDD54.2F3B@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:55:32 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? References: <30753014.356dd4e7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_x2qu2.0.TP6.svTRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4737 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ken et al! You wrote; > This could easily account for perpetually spinning wheels, etc. > In fact, the magnetic field of the earth can be used as the > "magnet" so you really need only a small electromagnetic circuit > -hidden and powered by a battery- to provide what at first > appears to be perpetual motion. So where can I see one of these 'simple' self-running, though fraudulent devices?..... Bill Beaty should JUMP on this as a great museum exhibit, even though fraudulent as a sample of how a machine can be made that appears to be self-running but is indeed fraudulent... I'd think museums and science halls across the country would love to buy and demonstrate one of these to promote the fallacy of 'closed systems' since a machine cannot run itself, forget about gravity/zpe/aether that necessarily permeates and ADDS ENERGY to the system...note, I didn't include magnetism......it is INEVITABLE that we WILL discover how to do it and use it in our daily lives, worldwide....IMO of course... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 15:17:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28892; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD8A5B.D10EB160@pm3-149.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-L@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: OFF-TOPIC: New planet discovered? Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:12:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id PAA28828 Resent-Message-ID: <"yD45i1.0.837.U9URr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4738 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings all, sorry for the off topic post: Has anyone heard any information about the planet supposedly discovered by the Hubble Space Telescope orbiting a star 450 light years away? If so, email me and let me know. Best regards, Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 20:20:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09805; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:20:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation with last message Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Scott Fureman" Subject: Help with circuit design? Date: Thu, 28 May 98 22:23:40 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iRZxu2.0.kO2.WbYRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4739 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Can anyone suggest software for electrical/electronic schematic drawing. I am specifically interested in software that has typical components that can be "pasted " in and circuit connectors filled in as straight lines. Also looking for software a "breadboard" in which a circuit can be designed and tested on-screen. Maybe nothing like this exists but I seem to recall seeing something similar some time ago. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 20:47:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21602; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:45:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <356E0ADE.D9414C5E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:39:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: Rollaway SMOT testing References: <356AA072.56965007@microtronics.com.au> <19980528.171934.3638.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C-pCP2.0.KH5.XzYRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4740 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tim Vaughan wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > Good to hear from you ! Welcome back to the list ! > I appreciate your persistence despite all the legal troubles. > Look forward to seeing the SMOT kit. It is my understanding that it is > a "roll away" kit not a "roll around" kit. > > If it is not "rollarounf", does this new backward design lend itself to linking > and a "roll around" self running arrangement ? Have you tried this ? My goal was a NEW APPROACH (non DMEC) "Solid" Rollaway design. I will leave linking to others. I am still "Trying" to work through the DMEC deal. I don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water. > Another experimenter that experienced similar effects and power scale-up imitations > was Westley Gary from 1879 that you have posted linked on your web pages or on one I placed at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810 I am VERY aware of the Westley devices. I and others have built a few. > I think the idea thermal negative entropy (fluctuation coherence) is > right on. Even though it is a small effect now, it is a genuine > perpetual motion machine apparently violating the 2nd Law of > Thermodynamics. That is still a breakthrough by any measure and has the > potential of scale-up with more understanding of the phenomena. I hope so. > As the Nobel Physicist P.W. Bridgman stated, there is no fundamental > principle that would prevent this possibility. (Read the book "The Nature > of Thermodynamics by P.W. Bridgman). Few understand the 2nd Law as well > as he did. James Clerk Maxwell also understood that this possibility > might exist. The most recent prominent Physicist to theorize on this is > Harold Asden, especially with regard ferromagnetic effects. I will check out Asden's site. Never could get the link to work? > Hope this winter is healthy for you with the nutritional supplements you > are taking. Still winter here in California with lots of rain. Twice > the normal rainfall so far. El Ninio strikes again. The APGL REALLY works. Several women friends are using it and in a few weeks will have blood workups. It appears from the lack of menopausal effects that their Estrogen level have been restored. A doctor friend is thinking about doing a 6 month test with full blood and physical testing. Its AMAZING stuff waking up and looking at a younger face staring back at you in the morning mirror. > Tim HI Tim, Thanks for the kind comments. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 22:03:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27674; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356E35AA.3F66@spu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:12:26 -0700 From: TK Reply-To: tnk@spu.edu Organization: me X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Help with circuit design? References: Conversation with last message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CKUpa1.0.Fm6.y5aRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4741 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Such programs do exist, and are in use all the time by electrical / electronics engineers. I would recommend trying PSpice, or perhaps Electronic Workbench 5 (or whatever version is most current), or perhaps MicroSim. These are just three of the better ones I've heard of, there are several others out there as well. I don't have the website locations for these software packages on hand, but if you do a search on www.metacrawler.com or some such site, you can probably find the websites of the companies that produce these software packages, and from there decide if its right for you for the price (which tends to be steep, ranging from $50 - $500, depending on the program and version). On the company website they probably have information on how to obtain their product. Hope I've been of some help. TK tnk@spu.edu Scott Fureman wrote: > > Can anyone suggest software for electrical/electronic schematic drawing. I > am specifically interested in software that has typical components that can > be "pasted " in and circuit connectors filled in as straight lines. Also > looking for software a "breadboard" in which a circuit can be designed and > tested on-screen. Maybe nothing like this exists but I seem to recall > seeing something similar some time ago. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu May 28 23:21:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27839; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805290621.XAA20095@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Help with circuit design? Resent-Message-ID: <"-D83z1.0.lo6.HFbRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:23 PM 5/28/98 PDT, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest software for electrical/electronic schematic drawing. I >am specifically interested in software that has typical components that can >be "pasted " in and circuit connectors filled in as straight lines. Also >looking for software a "breadboard" in which a circuit can be designed and >tested on-screen. Maybe nothing like this exists but I seem to recall >seeing something similar some time ago. Micro-cap V is a circuit simulator that has a free demo version. It seems to work well. http://www.micro-cap.co.uk > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 00:05:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27839; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805290621.XAA20095@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Help with circuit design? Resent-Message-ID: <"-D83z1.0.lo6.HFbRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:23 PM 5/28/98 PDT, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest software for electrical/electronic schematic drawing. I >am specifically interested in software that has typical components that can >be "pasted " in and circuit connectors filled in as straight lines. Also >looking for software a "breadboard" in which a circuit can be designed and >tested on-screen. Maybe nothing like this exists but I seem to recall >seeing something similar some time ago. Micro-cap V is a circuit simulator that has a free demo version. It seems to work well. http://www.micro-cap.co.uk > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 00:34:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07488; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:33:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:33:57 -0700 Message-ID: <356E6425.56DA@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:30:45 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? References: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> <356D971E.3F4E@keelynet.com> <356DC972.D67880BF@ctv.es> <356DDB9E.140A@keelynet.com> <356DE800.2ED3@skylink.net> <356E3A9F.7EC6@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wk1SY.0.Ip1.UJcRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4744 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gnorts, Hi and all that stuff! The following are photos from the Minato site in Japan, sorry it's all in Japanese and the Alta Vista translator doesn't 'do' Japanese to English yet... -------------- Energy version kind of a combination of EV Gray and the Magnapulsion engine from Florida (could not locate Magnapulsion @ IBM patent server); http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/top.html http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/top.html http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/top.html Bicycle Wheel version http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/top.html Comments on monopoles, Howard Johnson patent, Kawai, regauging and magnetic motor devices including the Minato Patents; http://www.escribe.com/science/keely/msg02172.html Thanks to 'MR 2 ducks' for sharing the Minato photo URL... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 03:02:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27839; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805290621.XAA20095@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Help with circuit design? Resent-Message-ID: <"-D83z1.0.lo6.HFbRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:23 PM 5/28/98 PDT, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest software for electrical/electronic schematic drawing. I >am specifically interested in software that has typical components that can >be "pasted " in and circuit connectors filled in as straight lines. Also >looking for software a "breadboard" in which a circuit can be designed and >tested on-screen. Maybe nothing like this exists but I seem to recall >seeing something similar some time ago. Micro-cap V is a circuit simulator that has a free demo version. It seems to work well. http://www.micro-cap.co.uk > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 08:01:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10843; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <338D994A.15308910@harti.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:57:14 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdecker@keelynet.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-list Subject: Re: Minato device photos ! References: <01bd8a40$6aaffb60$d31b16cb@ppp.lm.net.au> <356D971E.3F4E@keelynet.com> <356DC972.D67880BF@ctv.es> <356DDB9E.140A@keelynet.com> <356DE800.2ED3@skylink.net> <356E3A9F.7EC6@keelynet.com> <356E6425.56DA@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BLyz.0.Jf2.EtiRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4745 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks Jerry for posting the Minato Magnetic device PPM site. Here are the links to jump directly to the pics: http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/INFO/photo1.html http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/INFO/photo2.html http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/INFO/photo3.html http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/INFO/photo4.html The main page is at: http://iac.co.jp/~creation/MAG/top.html It looks pretty awesome ! I hope it really runs. Can anybody translate the Japanese into english , please ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 13:09:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02827; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:09:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8B13.643CFD40@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Rodin coil Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:06:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GGjsO1.0.fh.WNnRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Has anyone here done much research with Rodin coils, and if so, what was the nature of that research? Also: where can I get tunnel diodes? Thanks, Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 15:34:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12605; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:33:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <19980529222838.25544.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:28:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: New planet discovered? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"cbgFB1.0.e43.HVpRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4747 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle/All, Check out: http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/1998/19/ http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/1998/19/pr.html [here's the cool part -- the 130billion mile long filament between the protoplanet and the nearby binary star is believed to be a 'light tube'....like a optical cable!] http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9805/28/new.planet/ Anton Rager Denver, CO a_rager@yahoo.com ---"Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: > > Greetings all, sorry for the off topic post: > > Has anyone heard any information about the planet supposedly discovered by the Hubble Space Telescope orbiting a star 450 light years away? If so, email me and let me know. > > Best regards, > Kyle R. mcallister > Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net > Phone: 228-875-0629 > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 15:38:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14821; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <19980529223721.22900.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [195.232.49.138] From: "margur gurmar" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Stanley Meyer Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:37:21 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"p-reb.0.9d3.4ZpRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4748 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Did anybody try to duplicate the hydrogen production method patented by Stanley Meyer? Any results to prove or disprove it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 15:47:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26235; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980529224306.006a2858@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:43:06 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Minato device is much like the Hamel Spinner? Resent-Message-ID: <"84zxY2.0.qP6.ShpRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4749 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 04:48 PM 5/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Vicente et al! > >Hamel does appear a bit confused in his video but Bedini is one of the >most lucid and logical people I've met. It serves no positive purpose >to slam ANYONE as crazy in a public mailing list, let alone THREE of >them...private emails, sure, tear them up, but PUBLIC???? >-- I agree with Jerry. Don't brand anyone crazy because you don't understand them.The only reason people think I am crazy is because I don't have enough money to be called excentric.I had a nice visit with Mr. Hammel last summer.I didn't understand most of what he was saying due to the accent and his rapid fire way of explaining things.I could see some of where his ideas were coming from and they did make sense.The point about David is that he is willing to put his money where his mouth is.He lives on the edge of poverty and spends most of his money on his research.He does not try to sucker people in and give him money.I imagine some people do contribute to his cause but with out all the hype the more common shysters use.His lifestyle shows he is not wasting research money on fancy suits and flashy cars. As for the minato wheel I have been observing the same type of phenomenon on one of my own projects. Put 3 or 4 magnets on a free spinning disk about 6" in diameter.Use rectangular magnets angled slightly inward and the same pole facing out.Now take another magnet and putting like poles together use this force to rotate the disk.Now if you time moving the handheld magnet in and out in time with the magnets comming around you will be able to get the disc up to a resonable speed.Soon you will notice how little you have to move the hand magnet to maintain this speed.I would describe it as a little jiggle.Now the hard part is building a mechanical link to impart this jiggle automatically.I have tried cams levers ramps and haven't figured it out yet.All things considered I think the Gary motor is where development should be concentrated. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 15:57:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23827; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:57:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:57:32 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Rodin coil Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:44:59 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <01BD8B13.643CFD40@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <01BD8B13.643CFD40@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> Lines: 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wqgy71.0.lp5.LrpRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4750 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Also: where can I get tunnel diodes? You can simulate the negative resistance VI curve of a Tunnel Diode by using a P and N JFET, 2N4360 for the P and 2N3819 for the N. Some times referred to as a Lambda Diode. Connect the Source of the N to the gate of the P, this becomes the Diode's Anode. Connect the Drains of both transistors together. Connect the remaining Gate and Source together to become the Diode's Cathode. If you really need the real deal Tunnel Diode expect to pay big bucks. Cheapest I could find a few years ago where $50. See if Germanium Power Devices Corp in Andover Massachusetts is still around. Part numbers are 1N3712 -> 1N3721, TD261A -> TD276A. Keep in mind that a Tunnel Diode can oscillate at several different frequencies simultaneously. Some times you can put this to good use, but most often it is just some thing that bites you. Most people don't have the ability to check for oscillations in the 10's of Gigahertz. What are your plans for the Tunnel Diode? Heres a question to test every ones metal, what do you do with a quantum mechanical tunneling "Back Diode", 4JFBD1 -> 4JFBD7? -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 16:40:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06414; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:40:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:40:27 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8B30.EF3D3960@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Rodin coil Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:38:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8qz5T2.0.6a1.gTqRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4751 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- From: Bob Paddock[SMTP:bpaddock@csonline.net] Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 4:44 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Rodin coil >What are your plans for the Tunnel Diode? Quantum mechanical experiments."Quantum Nonlocality" and that sort of thing. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 17:08:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12892; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:08:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:08:14 -0700 Message-ID: <356F4F86.4D9A@LCIA.COM> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:15:02 -0400 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: B25B@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Help with circuit design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KObQr3.0.F93.jtqRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4752 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Global Specialties has a circuit designer with library of components, also scope, voltmeter, ammeter, etc. It is sold by Mouser electronics for $49.50 Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 18:43:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12892; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:08:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:08:14 -0700 Message-ID: <356F4F86.4D9A@LCIA.COM> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:15:02 -0400 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: B25B@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Help with circuit design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KObQr3.0.F93.jtqRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4752 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Global Specialties has a circuit designer with library of components, also scope, voltmeter, ammeter, etc. It is sold by Mouser electronics for $49.50 Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 19:12:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29609; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <356F6A56.97982D58@dcache.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:09:26 -0400 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Rodin coil References: <01BD8B13.643CFD40@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5KSVL3.0.YE7.CisRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4753 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle I have tried to read and understand the writings and explanations of the Rodin Coil. To me it appears to be a bifilar coil winding on a torus. There is a unique feature that on the torus an extra winding space is left to accommodate an electromagnetic null point. The whole configuration results in a high inductance focused in the center of the torus. Rodin uses what I perceive as a modulus arithmetic, in base 10, to determine the configuration of his coils and the resulting electromagnetic fields. There used to be a web page posted - www.rodin.org - but I cannot find anything now. There was something else, the frequency response of the coil had multiple peaks. Oh well, I may be confusing that with the caduceus coil but the overall electromagnetic field interactions did seem unique. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 19:17:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02827; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:09:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8B13.643CFD40@pm3-139.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Rodin coil Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:06:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GGjsO1.0.fh.WNnRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Has anyone here done much research with Rodin coils, and if so, what was the nature of that research? Also: where can I get tunnel diodes? Thanks, Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri May 29 19:53:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04591; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:52:54 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Rollaway SMOT testing Message-ID: <19980529.193358.3670.0.tv@juno.com> References: <356AA072.56965007@microtronics.com.au> <19980528.171934.3638.1.tv@juno.com> <356E0ADE.D9414C5E@microtronics.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-18 From: tv@juno.com (Tim Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"Pd7Wc2.0.d71.4ItRr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4754 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Greg, Thanks for the reply. > Greg said: >I am VERY aware of the Westley devices. I and others have built a >few. Which ones ? What did they do ? >Thanks for the kind comments. Your welcome, Tim _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 30 05:47:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21602; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:45:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <356E0ADE.D9414C5E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:39:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: Rollaway SMOT testing References: <356AA072.56965007@microtronics.com.au> <19980528.171934.3638.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C-pCP2.0.KH5.XzYRr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4740 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tim Vaughan wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > Good to hear from you ! Welcome back to the list ! > I appreciate your persistence despite all the legal troubles. > Look forward to seeing the SMOT kit. It is my understanding that it is > a "roll away" kit not a "roll around" kit. > > If it is not "rollarounf", does this new backward design lend itself to linking > and a "roll around" self running arrangement ? Have you tried this ? My goal was a NEW APPROACH (non DMEC) "Solid" Rollaway design. I will leave linking to others. I am still "Trying" to work through the DMEC deal. I don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water. > Another experimenter that experienced similar effects and power scale-up imitations > was Westley Gary from 1879 that you have posted linked on your web pages or on one I placed at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810 I am VERY aware of the Westley devices. I and others have built a few. > I think the idea thermal negative entropy (fluctuation coherence) is > right on. Even though it is a small effect now, it is a genuine > perpetual motion machine apparently violating the 2nd Law of > Thermodynamics. That is still a breakthrough by any measure and has the > potential of scale-up with more understanding of the phenomena. I hope so. > As the Nobel Physicist P.W. Bridgman stated, there is no fundamental > principle that would prevent this possibility. (Read the book "The Nature > of Thermodynamics by P.W. Bridgman). Few understand the 2nd Law as well > as he did. James Clerk Maxwell also understood that this possibility > might exist. The most recent prominent Physicist to theorize on this is > Harold Asden, especially with regard ferromagnetic effects. I will check out Asden's site. Never could get the link to work? > Hope this winter is healthy for you with the nutritional supplements you > are taking. Still winter here in California with lots of rain. Twice > the normal rainfall so far. El Ninio strikes again. The APGL REALLY works. Several women friends are using it and in a few weeks will have blood workups. It appears from the lack of menopausal effects that their Estrogen level have been restored. A doctor friend is thinking about doing a 6 month test with full blood and physical testing. Its AMAZING stuff waking up and looking at a younger face staring back at you in the morning mirror. > Tim HI Tim, Thanks for the kind comments. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 30 07:32:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00359; Sat, 30 May 1998 07:32:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:32:30 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD8BAD.8F836D00@oemcomputer> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Parts needed, unable to find Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:30:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YJ7fW2.0.V5.zX1Sr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4755 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I've been going through my catalogs looking for these parts, but cannot find them. If you know where I can get these, let me know. BDX53C BC109 TRSS20 Audax AC127 Thanks, Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat May 30 19:50:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17230; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD8C13.AE2B9140@oemcomputer> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'peasioux@bellsouth.net'" Subject: My web page Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:41:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id TAA17210 Resent-Message-ID: <"MOuDl1.0.7D4.0MCSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4756 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Dave Dameron said I should let you all know that I now have a web page (if you didn't already know). It can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 Let me know what you think. Its not a very personal web site, mainly scientific. If you've already seen it, I've added some Biefield-Brown info, along with my theory about it. Best regards, Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 01:39:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00825; Sun, 31 May 1998 01:38:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:38:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:10:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980531101716.3f277a7a@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer Resent-Message-ID: <"Vn3ib3.0.gB.MSHSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4757 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 03:37 PM 5/29/98 PDT, you wrote: >Did anybody try to duplicate the hydrogen production method patented >by Stanley Meyer? >Any results to prove or disprove it? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Yes, I read a few months ago that someone had figured it out and duplicated his results on a website. I'll go back through ny notes to see if I can find it and post the information. BTW - He just died recently of poison! Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 06:51:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23805; Sun, 31 May 1998 06:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 06:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980531132821.18256.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.11.164] From: "Chris Thomas" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 06:28:21 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"HGbfD.0.np5.11MSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4758 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello, Been off the web for a while and have just read these discussions about the Biefeld-Brown Effect. First and foremost IT IS NOT IONIC WIND. That idea is completely unfounded. Ionic wind doesnt work to well in a vacuum. The Biefeld-Brown Effect does. This was tested by Brown and other researchers. As for myself, I have tested it using 100KV to 150KV about 2 yrs ago. The effects were most positive. I got lift. I also found out the higher the voltage and the better the materials the more pronounced the effect. Just get the kit from Information Unlimited I think it is. I based my device on it. When I get some extra money (around October of this year) I will be building a 500KV gravitator and will freely post the entire Brown Patents along with my test results. If you follow the kit at first and the CAREFULLY follow the patents you will get the correct results. I am developing the plans for placing a remote controlled device to be encased in a disk that will use relays to charge either positively or negatively a series of sections on the top and bottom plates. This will allow for a remote controlled "UFO". This device should be able to carry over 100lbs. All results will be posted on my site. Goto the Research section of it for a list of upcoming experiments. It is http://aerp1.cjb.net and click on the AERP logo. Chris Thomas mailto:chris_thomas85@hotmail.com Check Out The Alternative Energy Research Project http://aerp1.cjb.net ICQ# 11869559 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 07:10:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26596; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 07:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35716461.718C44F@GroupZ.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:08:33 -0400 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? References: <19980531132821.18256.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ANMKu3.0.RV6.WJMSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4759 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris - glad someone else realizes this...was beginning to think I was whistling in the wind....thanks for the post... really like your web page, how do you get time for experiments, with a page like that .....steve opelc Chris Thomas wrote: > > Hello, > > Been off the web for a while and have just read these discussions about > the Biefeld-Brown Effect. First and foremost IT IS NOT IONIC WIND. > That idea is completely unfounded. Ionic wind doesnt work to well in a > vacuum. The Biefeld-Brown Effect does. This was tested by Brown and > other researchers. As for myself, I have tested it using 100KV to 150KV > about 2 yrs ago. The effects were most positive. I got lift. I also > found out the higher the voltage and the better the materials the more > pronounced the effect. Just get the kit from Information Unlimited I > think it is. I based my device on it. When I get some extra money > (around October of this year) I will be building a 500KV gravitator and > will freely post the entire Brown Patents along with my test results. > If you follow the kit at first and the CAREFULLY follow the patents you > will get the correct results. I am developing the plans for placing a > remote controlled device to be encased in a disk that will use relays to > charge either positively or negatively a series of sections on the top > and bottom plates. This will allow for a remote controlled "UFO". This > device should be able to carry over 100lbs. All results will be posted > on my site. Goto the Research section of it for a list of upcoming > experiments. It is http://aerp1.cjb.net and click on the AERP logo. > > Chris Thomas > mailto:chris_thomas85@hotmail.com > Check Out The Alternative Energy Research Project > http://aerp1.cjb.net > ICQ# 11869559 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 15:04:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04153; Sun, 31 May 1998 15:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980531132821.18256.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:01:04 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"ty10P1.0.f01.MFTSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4760 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris - > As for myself, I have tested it using 100KV to > 150KV about 2 yrs ago. The effects were most > positive. You have given no details about this experiment on your web site, as far as I could find. If they are there, please let us know the URL. The BB effect, if it exists, is deeply embedded in effects which mask it and give false positives. In lieu of any explanation of how the experiment was run and isolated from any such contaminating influences, your results were probably false positives as well. Electric wind is just one way people can be fooled. As opposed to the more concentrated and obvious wind from more or less pointed surfaces, far less obvious electric wind effects can occur over larger areas with evenly distributed charge where low velocity but high volume air movement can be generated. And unfortunately, a vacuum chamber is no panacea. In or out of a vacuum, electrostatic attraction and repulsion can ruin the veracity of experimental results. Chamber walls, tables, nearby apparatus, people's bodies, and perhaps most importantly the air and ground outside the chamber itself are all full of charges and can affect the experiment. So in a manner of speaking, you can even get electric wind using a vacuum chamber if the charge inside the chamber couples to air & moisture molecules in the lab outside the chamber. Newton's laws are not suspended in this case, and reactive forces can occur. If you use a faraday shield around the electrodes in the chamber, it must be perfectly symmetrical with respect to the goemetry of the electrodes. Such an experiment has been done with these controls, and the result was negative - but the voltage was a bit low at 19KV. As far as I have been able to tell, no convincing demonstration of the BB effect which eliminates the ambiguity of the electrostatic problems has ever been presented. Can you describe the experiment you performed, with particular emphasis on how you eliminated these electrostatic effects? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 15:50:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15620; Sun, 31 May 1998 15:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980531222416.22561.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.11.44] From: "Chris Thomas" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:24:15 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"It1D51.0.kp3.4wTSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4761 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, The results are not on my site as it was two years ago. They will be posted (a new experiment) by the end of the year. As for the electrostatic effects there were test done related to me by a physicist who stated that electric wind DOES NOT occur in a vacuum. If the BB effect was just ionic wind it would not have worked better in a vacuum. The tests done showed the effect increased inside of a vacuum chamber. The way I conducted the experiment was to get ALL the T Townsend Brown patents that dealt with "gravitators" and build and test each one. One simple device consisted of a pole that was able to spin freely on a base and had two disks constructed according to the patent. (and the plan I got from information unlimited). I used a charge that could vary from 100KV to 150KV (100, 125, 150) When the same edge of each disk was charged with the same pole it spun in the direction of the positive charge. Switching the charge in mid-spin caused the disks to "crash". After untangling them I kept the charge switched and they then spun in the opposite direction. These discs (disks? discs?) were no more than 6" in diameter. I then constructed one disc 12" in diameter. This had a top and bottom plate seperated by a dieletric material (I got it from a friend in the military. It was ceramic) I charged the top plate positive and the bottom negative and had it attached to a guide beam. (Similar to Jean-Louis Nadin's experiment) I turned the charge from 75KV to 150KV at 25KV increments. The opposite end of the beam was connected to a string (550 cord) attached to a scale. The idea was that it would pull the string and thereby give a "negative" weight measure. The device weighed in at 16oz or one pound. At 75KV there was a moderate effect. (2 ounces lost) At 100KV about 5 ounces was lost, at 125KV over half the weight was lost and at 150KV the entire weight plus i believe about 6-7 ounces was lost. This is mainly memory I am going off of now. If you want I can retype my results report and post it on my site for everyone to see along with, if you're interested, the design plans for a remote controlled Brown Disc. Let me know. If this wasnt helpful enough please be specific as to what information you are interested in. Also the experiment worked well regarless of humidity or dryness in the air. And it worked in a sprinkler in the garage. Chris Thomas mailto:chris_thomas85@hotmail.com Check Out The Alternative Energy Research Project http://aerp1.cjb.net ICQ# 11869559 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 16:43:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28558; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:40:43 +1000 X-Sender: mindtech@mailhost.nor.com.au (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"aMs0-1.0.5-6.1iUSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4762 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >As far as I have been able to tell, no convincing demonstration of the BB >effect which eliminates the ambiguity of the electrostatic problems has >ever been presented. Can you describe the experiment you performed, with >particular emphasis on how you eliminated these electrostatic effects? > >Rick Monteverde > In a 1937(?) issue of Popular Mechanics there was a single page article which described a tethered HV cap similar to Brown's. A bit thin on technical details, but it included a graph indicating observed correlation between dynamic lift and applied frequency. I can dig it out if anyone is interested. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 17:22:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07681; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD8CC8.BB750C40@pm3-124.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Test results-scalar waves transmitter Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:17:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id RAA07628 Resent-Message-ID: <"Snx343.0.pt1.QGVSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4763 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I have sucessfully tested J-L Naudin's "Scalar Waves Transmitter". My results are inconclusive. I used two cookie tins, each a little less than a millimeter thick, with a radio tuned to 204kHZ. I tested with the transmitter hooked up to a caduceus coil, a nd heard the tone through the cage. I then hooked the leads from the transmitter together, without the cad coil, and still heard the tone through the cage. Maybe I should try using the 1/4 inch thick steel ammunition box I just happen to have as a cage? Jean-Louis: how thick was your cage? Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 17:53:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14695; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980531222416.22561.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:50:32 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"VRF9l.0.Vb3.AkVSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4764 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris - > As for the electrostatic effects there were test > done related to me by a physicist who stated > that electric wind DOES NOT occur in a vacuum. > If the BB effect was just ionic wind it would not > have worked better in a vacuum. This is true as far as it goes, but it does not account for electrostatic forces which can easily be in the same range of magnitude as wind effects. Electrostatic repulsion and attraction as well as electrostatic induction on otherwise neutral bodies will completely ruin the credibility of any results unless they are accounted for. The problem is, it seems to be just about impossible to properly account for them. I think there's only two ways to run this sort of experiment: in space, or on the ground using some sort of comparitive apparatus. By comparitive, I mean use capacitor dielectric masses of the same weight, size and shape, but with different dielectric constant. Or use test bobs fashioned in a similar manner. That way the inherent electrical asymmetry of the surroundings gets neutralized by being the same in each test, and differences that should *only* be due to BB and not simple charge quantity on conducting electrode or plate surfaces should become apparent. Otherwise, I can't even imagine a way to do it in any earthly lab. Of course that doesn't mean it isn't possible, but no one has come up with a way yet. In the description of your experiments you just posted, you still didn't say if they were conducted in or out of a vacuum. > At 100KV about 5 ounces was lost, at 125KV > over half the weight was lost and at 150KV the > entire weight plus i believe about 6-7 ounces > was lost. This is pretty cool *regardless* of the true source of the thrust, as it would at least lead to some pretty interesting RC models as you have suggested. I'd *love* to see some classic flying saucer RC silently zipping around at dusk or nighttime with a bluish-violet corona around it! You could get national press attention with that even if it was totally conventional - and I'm not at all convinced it *would* be totally conventional either. People would stand around saying "oh, that's just electric wind" and I'd say "so WHAT? Look at that!" Good luck on that project. See the Woodward materials at http://www.inetarena.com/~noetic/pls/woodward.html on what may be some good insight on the antigravity problem. He's got some good weight loss in an experiment that is not at all ambiguous and doesn't use any pesky HV. When you think about the BB experiments using pulsed HV, it might have some bearing on those too. TTB used a lot of pulsating HV in his experiments, and high power throughput as well. Naudin says that power throughput seems to have a bearing on his results too. It might be a key to uncovering a convincing explanation explanation of the BB effect. I do think the BB is probably real, just that it hasn't been *proven* as such in a thoroughly convincing way yet. Maybe you can do that. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 17:59:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16508; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3571FCC7.CB232EB2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:28:47 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: SMOT Mk5 Design Up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JjtiX2.0.j14.8pVSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4765 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI All, The SMOT Mk5 design is now available. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 18:06:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18409; Sun, 31 May 1998 18:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980601010344.24162.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.11.236] From: "Chris Thomas" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:03:43 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"d9hQP2.0.VV4.GwVSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4766 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick, I found some of my old notes. They give the actual tests conducted by Brown and others. I'll write it up and post it on my site and the more important parts here. Hope it is useful to you and others. Chris Thomas mailto:chris_thomas85@hotmail.com Check Out The Alternative Energy Research Project http://aerp1.cjb.net ICQ# 11869559 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 19:40:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07806; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806010236.XAA22196@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:37:07 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"WLsUO2.0.tv1.BIXSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4767 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > In a 1937(?) issue of Popular Mechanics there was a single page article > which described a tethered HV cap similar to Brown's. A bit thin on > technical details, but it included a graph indicating observed correlation > between dynamic lift and applied frequency. I can dig it out if anyone is > interested. > > Peter Nielsen > Frequency ? What range ? I was thinking the TTBrown experiment involved just plain DC. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun May 31 22:12:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10883; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3572384C.484690E2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:42:44 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: SMOT Mk5 Details Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PKZga2.0.pf2.8XZSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4768 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, You will find more details to allow the SMOT Mk5 to be replicated. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson