From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 1 20:32:46 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA01827; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606010657.XAA25134@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1080 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On 1 Jun 96 freenrg-l said to paula@southconn.com >On Thu, 30 May 1996 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT), Brian wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> A few days ago I posted some late night ramblings concerning >>the issue of better gas milage (among other things). I am >>researching methods of increasing gas mileage, and I am thankful >>to have a member of this list assisting me in this endeavor. >> I would like to ask members of this list, and any of their >>friends, if anyone knows of certain combustion statistics for >>gasoline and propane. I would like to know the rate of expansion ...snip....snip........ >It thus follows logically, that the most efficient engine will be >one in which all the fuel is completely burnt at the beginning of >the expansion stroke, producing very high temperatures and >pressures very rapidly. This is almost equivalent to an explosion, >and it would indeed seem likely that there would be a danger of >Robin van Spaandonk Don't know for sure who this is going to...this is my first post on the list... the engine you are talking about, with fuel burning at the beginning, was developed by a man named Bourke in the 1930's...The Bourke Engine Documentary used to be available from Tesla Book Company, PO Box 121873, Chula, Vista CA 91912, tel: 1-800-398-2056 do not know if this is still correct information, as I ordered the book a few years ago....There is a sight on the web that seems to be trying to make money on selling info on the Bourke engine, as well as maybe developing it at http://www.galileoresearch.com/bourke.html...if you can get the book, reading it will give you all sorts of ideas on how to increase efficiency of normal internal (or is that infernal) combustion engine...steve P.S. the 500 american dollars they are asking for the hard cover copy of the book is unreal, the copy I have is like a notebook, think it cost around 20 at the time.... Steve&Paula Opelc paula@southconn.com `[1;36;45mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 1 20:39:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA02686; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606012252.IAA24647@peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1081 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Polley/PK X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Message to Rob Polley on this list.. Rob..got your PK material but can't reply..seem to remember you have a new email address. Am sitting on a beach with the mobile laptop so can't search the main computer for your previous email.. Jim Francis Australian Lateral Concepts http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking jfrancis@peg.apc.org From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 1 20:39:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA02238; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606011344.IAA19900@firefly.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1082 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Twisters X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > >Hi Zack, > >You might try the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab & Natural Energy >Works, Greensprings PO Box 1148, Ashland Oregon 97520 USA, >Phone/fax (541) 552-0118. > >I got this address from a sticker on the inside cover of a book called the >Orgone Accumulator Handbook >by James DeMeo PhD. ISBN 0-9621855-0-7. > >The book was published by Natural Energy Works, PO Box 864 >El Cerrito >CA 94530, Fax (510) 526-5978. > >This appears to be an excellant book for anyone interested in the >subject. I get the idea that it was published by the author and that >contacting the first number will put you in touch directly, the >second number may be outdated. > >This would be a fun project to work on, I wish you the best of luck! > >-Rob > > Hi Rob et al, I saw this book listed on the Orgonomy homepage (set up by Dr. DeMeo?) There are several fascinating articles by Dr. DeMeo also, the one on AIDS is thought-provoking. I think there were books mentioned which go into details on the cloudbuster but there was no data on the device on the homepage. There was minimal data on orgone accumulators but I have more extensive info on those. Perhaps I will order one of the books. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 1 20:39:45 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA02917; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1083 From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Orgone Energy Accumulator Workshop, 20-21 July, Oregon X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 22:29:20 -0800 From: James DeMeo To: OBRL Forward Subject: Orgone Energy Accumulator Workshop Please Copy and Post the Following to Other Interested Individuals, Groups and Lists ************************************************ A N N O U N C I N G Weekend Workshops on the Orgone Energy Accumulator 20-21 July 1996: The Orgone Energy Accumulator: History, Construction and Use Covering the following general topics: * Wilhelm Reich's Discovery of the Orgone Energy. * Orgone Biophysics; laboratory demonstration of orgone energy experiments. * Discovery of life energy by scientists other than Reich. * Hands-on construction of orgone blankets and accumulators. * Open discussion of best materials and effective use of accumulating devices. * Discussion of medical use of orgone accumulator overseas, in Germany and other nations. Instructors: James DeMeo, Ph.D. and Theirrie Cook, B.A. Demonstrations, Slides, Handouts, etc. In the 1950s, Dr. Wilhelm Reich published a series of books and research journals documenting the existence of a unique biological energy (called *orgone*), and the construction of a very simple, inexpensive and passive device by which this same energy could be accumulated from the atmosphere. The orgone accumulator was observed to increase the growth of plants and the healing of tissues, while subjective reactions among test subjects indicated an increased vigor and resistance to disease (immunity). Microscopic observation of blood indicated serological changes towards more alive and healthy conditions among seriously ill persons who regularly sat in the accumulator. Reich's milestone papers on this discovery were published and verified by his associates, but the discovery was nearly lost to the world when the McCarthy-era Food and Drug Administration obtained a court order, banning from interstate transportation and actually *burning* copies of all books which contained the forbidden word "orgone". Book-burning actually was carried out by FDA agents in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Fortunately, copies of the original works survived, and many have been republished. Many new studies have been undertaken and published, including peer-reviewed, double-blind and controlled studies. In Germany, the orgone accumulator is openly used by physicians for experimental cancer therapy, and many anecedotal reports exist of anomalous spontaneous remissions and other kinds of healing phenomenon following orgone accumulator therapy. This workshop on the Orgone Energy Accumulator will be led by James DeMeo, Ph.D., author of the popular "Orgone Accumulator Handbook", and by Theirrie Cook, founder and former owner of the "Orgonics" company. Participants will get a complete overview of the history and theoretical background of Reich's discovery of the orgone energy, as well as practical, hands-on experience in the construction and experimental use of several different types of accumulators. Some laboratory demonstrations of orgone energy phenomenon will also be given. ************************************************ Second in a Series: "Greensprings 1996" Building Upon the Discoveries of the Late Dr. Wilhelm Reich Orgone Biophysical Research Lab ( http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ) A Non-Profit Science Research and Educational Foundation, Since 1978. Greensprings Center, PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon, 97520 USA James DeMeo, Ph.D., Director More Information: A four-page descriptive brochure is available, along with speaker biographies, a list of nearby motels, inns, restaurants, and other facilities. The area is loaded with recreational attractions and beautiful natural wonders. Call, write, fax or e-mail for more information. Times: 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM each day, Saturday and Sunday. Where: At the new O.B.R.L. Greensprings Center, 20 miles east of Ashland, Oregon in the forests of the Siskiyou Mountains. A street address and map will be sent to all registrants. Cost: $150 per full weekend event; half-price for full-time students (documentation required). Limited to 30 participants; preregistration advised, with payment to the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab (or simply, "O.B.R.L.") Send to: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab Greensprings, PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA 541/ 552-0118 telephone/fax e-mail to: demeo@mind.net ************************************************ Other forthcoming workshops (inquire for details, or visit the OBRL web site at: http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ) 3-4 August 1996: Laboratory Workshop on Bions and the Reich Blood Test 28-29 September 1996: Seminar on Drought, Desert and Forest Death To obtain a complete set of descriptive flyers and a detailed Seminar/Workshop announcement, plus our 22-page unusual science book and product catalog, send us your complete postal mailing address. "Love, work and knowledge are the wellsprings of our lives, they should also govern it" - Wilhelm Reich ************************************************ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 1 20:41:27 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03279; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <558081359@enterprise.cia.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1084 From: "Rob Polley" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:43:02 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... > On Thu, 30 May 1996 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT), Brian wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > A few days ago I posted some late night ramblings concerning the issue of > >better gas milage (among other things). I am researching methods of increasing > >gas mileage, and I am thankful to have a member of this list assisting me in > >this endeavor. > > I would like to ask members of this list, and any of their friends, if > >anyone knows of certain combustion statistics for gasoline and propane. I would > >like to know the rate of expansion of an ignited air:fuel mixture so that I can > >calculate the amount of force being exerted on a piston within my engine's > >cylinder. I am sure this varies vith the octane level of the fuel, pressure of > >the mixture before ignition, etc. Can anyone help me? Any pointers to resources > >which might help me find this out? I don't want to punch a hole in my pistons > >while getting high mpg! > [snip] > You seem to have hit the nail on the head. Current engines are > inefficient because they burn the fuel during the entire expansion > stroke. This means that some of the fuel is still being burnt, even > when the piston is at the bottom of the cylinder, where it can't move > any further, and thus can do no useful work. This fuel, is thus > totally converted into heat. Fuel burnt at the top of the cylinder, on > the other hand, is in the best position to do the maximum amount of > work. In between is in between. > It thus follows logically, that the most efficient engine will be one > in which all the fuel is completely burnt at the beginning of the > expansion stroke, producing very high temperatures and pressures very > rapidly. This is almost equivalent to an explosion, and it would > indeed seem likely that there would be a danger of punching a hole in > the top of the cylinder. This leads me to speculate on the efficiency > of a diesel, as these are designed to withstand conditions more nearly > approaching those described above. Perhaps a diesel engine would make > a better candidate for conversion. Hi, Going back much longer than I really care to remember I took a section on combustion of fuel in aeronautical engineering. Naturally they build those engines as light as possible so proper combustion is extremely important. The fuel mixture can either burn or exploded (detonation). In burning the flame spread rate is approx 250 ft/second, in detonation it is approx 1000 ft/second. My memory on this is pretty foggy, I seem to recall that the burning is essentially a carbon / oxygen reaction and the detonation is essentially a hydrogen / oxygen reaction. I believe that the detonation reaction also has something like 4 times as much energy released. The main damage that is done in an engine from detonation is that sufficiently high pressure levels are achieved to break down the oil film and allow metal to metal contact, this is particularily deadly if it happens before you cross top dead centre. If you are going to attempt controled detonation in an engine not specifically designed to withstand the pressure levels make sure your timing is late enough that you are passed top dead centre when the pressure comes up! -Rob From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 02:10:29 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA01267; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606020352.UAA06114@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1085 From: Brian To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I have heard supercarb stories before. The only reason I can think of why big manufacturers do not want to drastically increase gas milage is that it would signifigantly alter the petroleum consumption in this country. Let's face it, many influential people attribute their financial wealth to the oil dependancy of the US and other countries. Heck, we even started a war in the Persian Gulf to secure future oil reserves! The political ramnifications of a large populace reducing their gasoline consumption undoubtedly makes big manufacturers nervous. However, I am sure that there are several MILLION shade-tree mechanics out there who would eagerly modify their roaster to get high gas milage. Unfortune- ately,those who know how to make the proper modifications are not getting the word out to those of us who want to do it! Perhaps some figure that if there is no money in it, then why bother. Maybe someday someone will decide that helping mankind to loosen his hydrocarbon bonds is reward enough for the effort involved. Also, being the one responsible for screwing OPEC can have it's motivations too. Sometimes the best advances in science occur just because someone wants to see if it CAN be done. Well, I'll step down off the soapbox for now. I would just like to spark some more interest in this area so that a group discovery might be made. I'm not out to reap millions, I would just rather spend my hard earned money on groceries, not gas! If anyone can put me in touch with a supercarb builder, PLEASE DO!!! Thanks, Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 02:14:14 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA01527; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606020414.OAA29732@peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1086 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cloud Buster X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: If somebody can dig up some construction plans for a cloud buster I'll stick them up on my Australian Mall. Jim Francis Australian Lateral Concepts http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 02:14:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA01633; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606020534.WAA22190@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1087 From: Brian To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Want to sell that Bourke book? - Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 02:18:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA01569; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31b108b6.7798141@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1088 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Twisters X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:28:53 -0700 (PDT), Zack Widup wrote: [snip] >Hi Rob et al, > >I saw this book listed on the Orgonomy homepage (set up by Dr. DeMeo?) >There are several fascinating articles by Dr. DeMeo also, the one on >AIDS is thought-provoking. > >I think there were books mentioned which go into details on the >cloudbuster but there was no data on the device on the homepage. There When I looked today, there was a photo of one in the middle of the page. It was somewhere in africa (the device, not the page:). It looked a bit like a cannon. >was minimal data on orgone accumulators but I have more extensive info on >those. > >Perhaps I will order one of the books. > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.inett.com/himac Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 05:48:07 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA05515; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606021220.FAA03187@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1089 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Sorry Brian, no sale (g) - I have plans to put it on the internet, still have to figure out how to do it without going against the copyright... maybe just parts of it, I understand you can make extracts from a book as long as you don't make any money off it....I would think it would still be available from Tesla books...give them a call and check it out... steve paula@steve opelc paula@southconn.com `[1;36;44mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 07:03:01 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA15442; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 06:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 06:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <72852020B@enterprise.cia.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1090 From: "Rob Polley" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Polley/PK X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:31:21 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Polley/PK > Message to Rob Polley on this list.. > > Rob..got your PK material but can't reply..seem to remember you have a new > email address. Am sitting on a beach with the mobile laptop so can't search > the main computer for your previous email.. > > Jim Francis > Australian Lateral Concepts > http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking > jfrancis@peg.apc.org > Hi Jim, The address is polleyr@cia.com, enjoy that beach mate, I am jealous! -Rob From vortcor-list@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 15:57:22 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01355; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606022051.WAA13581@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: vortcor-list@eskimo.com Originator: vortcor-list@eskimo.com Sender: vortcor-list@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1091 From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: OverUnity theory online now ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, the new theory for OVERUNITY operation of devices is now online at: http://www.overunity.de/theory.htm Please check it out and let me know your comments. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 16:12:08 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02036; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606022051.WAA13581@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1092 From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: OverUnity theory online now ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, the new theory for OVERUNITY operation of devices is now online at: http://www.overunity.de/theory.htm Please check it out and let me know your comments. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 2 19:52:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA06946; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1093 From: realtime@peg.apc.org (Philip Braham) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Trying to locate Dr. Takahashi X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I'm trying to get in contact with Dr. Takahashi or someone from Sciex. Doea anyone have a contact phone number or email address? Regards, Phil Braham http://malls.com/exclusive http://www.peg.apc.org/~exclusive (Australian mirror site) From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 00:59:06 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA02715; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606030513.WAA11475@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1094 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Muller Magnetic Dynamo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I am sending this msg in response to one I lost somewhere in my files (g) - It was about testing the Muller dynamo for overunity....so as to have something to show to investors (as least that is the way I remember it...) my rememberance was that it was producing about 450 HP, 300 KW.....and the capacitors to test it were to expensive.... Here are some ideas I came up with (brainstorming) Get ahold of Canadian Power and Light (or whoever is the grid in your area) and propose to them that they finance the testing as a public service....(to humanity)....sell it to them as an extremely efficient means of generating power (not overunity)....alternatly agree to sell them power for six months (they hook up the transformers and transmission lines), for free....then show investors your power bill in comparison to to how much power you produced....at the same time let the public know what you are doing (contact newspapers, etc..tell them this device could lower there power bills if the electric company uses it....)....put public pressure on the power company to test it....in other words use the grid to test the dynamo.... In order to make money in the mean time conduct payed tours through the place where you have the generator......make sure people wear sunglasses those spotlights you are using as a load sound like they are really bright....(g).... Pre-sell 10 KW units for 10,000 each (1,000 per KW) to people who are looking to get off the grid...terms 1000 dollars down, immediately, then when units are available payments over 5 years until the 10,000 is paid...at no interest (you in effect will be giving them a 9,000 dollar no interest loan) (to be given in the future)....at those terms you may be able to sell it to people who are on the grid, they could make the money back, if it is overunity, by selling to the grid.... Hope this gives you some ideas...if anyone else can come up with anything, you can maybe pass on....also if the person whose msg I am replying to gets this pls let me know...(I am one of those people who might pay 1000 for one to get off the grid)....steve `[1;32;47mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 01:02:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA02271; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606030328.UAA13916@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1095 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: OverUnity theory online now ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On 2 Jun 96 freenrg-l said to paula@southconn.com >Hi, >the new theory for OVERUNITY operation of devices is >now online at: >http://www.overunity.de/theory.htm >Please check it out and let me know your comments. >Thanks a lot in advance. >Regards, Stefan. I messed up, wrote down the password on my desk the other day when I got it, since then my wife cleaned up my desk....and you guessed it ....no password....would appreciate a resend....thanks....steve `[1;32;47mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 06:47:44 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA08172; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031332.PAA14937@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1096 From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OverUnity theory online now ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A >On 2 Jun 96 freenrg-l said to paula@southconn.com > >Hi, > >the new theory for OVERUNITY operation of devices is > >now online at: > >http://www.overunity.de/theory.htm > >Please check it out and let me know your comments. > >Thanks a lot in advance. > >Regards, Stefan. > >I messed up, wrote down the password on my desk the other day when I >got it, since then my wife cleaned up my desk....and you guessed it >....no password....would appreciate a resend....thanks....steve > Now you can get the password automatically by filling out the form at the theory page ! Regards, STefan. user: theory password: yroeht > >`[1;32;47mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 08:41:45 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA26428; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6ABL-djuldB@ddd.snafu.de> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1097 From: harti@ddd.snafu.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Overunity Theory page Online ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, finally the overunity theory page is online at: http://www.overunity.de/theory.htm There is a very intersting article how to extract excess energy via enhancing some basic theory laws. Article contains an example and a few drawings ! Get it and let us know your comments ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de or harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:19:55 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08325; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031741.KAA13162@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1098 From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Muller Magnetic Dynamo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Thanks for your ideas. The power connection demo is very interesting and I am going to try to talk Bill into it. We do not want the liability of pre-sales, however. We want to get companies which already are manufacturing to do the fabrication. It takes at least a year to ramp up a serious production line from scratch (and an awful lot of money. Bill has invented enough. Better now to put it into the hands of manufacturing engineers who already have lines in place. After we have found the right company(s), that idea can be explored. At 12:53 AM 6/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >I am sending this msg in response to one I lost somewhere in my files (g) - >It was about testing the Muller dynamo for overunity....so as to have >something to show to investors (as least that is the way I remember it...) >my rememberance was that it was producing about 450 HP, 300 KW.....and >the capacitors to test it were to expensive.... > >Here are some ideas I came up with (brainstorming) > >Get ahold of Canadian Power and Light (or whoever is the grid in your >area) and propose to them that they finance the testing as a public >service....(to humanity)....sell it to them as an extremely efficient >means of generating power (not overunity)....alternatly agree to sell >them power for six months (they hook up the transformers and transmission >lines), for free....then show investors your power bill in comparison to >to how much power you produced....at the same time let the public know >what you are doing (contact newspapers, etc..tell them this device could >lower there power bills if the electric company uses it....)....put >public pressure on the power company to test it....in other words use >the grid to test the dynamo.... > >In order to make money in the mean time conduct payed tours through the >place where you have the generator......make sure people wear sunglasses >those spotlights you are using as a load sound like they are really >bright....(g).... > >Pre-sell 10 KW units for 10,000 each (1,000 per KW) to people who are >looking to get off the grid...terms 1000 dollars down, immediately, >then when units are available payments over 5 years until the 10,000 >is paid...at no interest (you in effect will be giving them a 9,000 >dollar no interest loan) (to be given in the future)....at those terms >you may be able to sell it to people who are on the grid, they could >make the money back, if it is overunity, by selling to the grid.... > >Hope this gives you some ideas...if anyone else can come up with >anything, you can maybe pass on....also if the person whose msg >I am replying to gets this pls let me know...(I am one of those >people who might pay 1000 for one to get off the grid)....steve > > > > > > > > > > >`[1;32;47mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered > > > ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:23:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08630; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031750.KAA14094@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1099 From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Muller Magnetic Dynamo Bulletin X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 09:39 PM 5/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Michael! Thanks for the information and location...I had 3 people >provide the same address....so that means it MUST be significant as per >Jungian Synchronicity......will check it out...>>> Jerry/KeelyNet > > thanks. i intend to put up a page of links to the free energy web crowd so i will post you guys as well. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:23:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08086; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031033.KAA29430@ns1.indirect.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1100 From: Reed Huish To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Looking for Technical People in Phoenix X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Zenergy Corp is developing several free energy technologies. I am looking for engineers or technically gifted people in the Phoenix, Arizona area who want to join our team to help bring these technologies to mankind. If there are any takers, feel free to call or send me an email. - Reed Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:23:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08086; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031033.KAA29430@ns1.indirect.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1100 From: Reed Huish To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Looking for Technical People in Phoenix X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Zenergy Corp is developing several free energy technologies. I am looking for engineers or technically gifted people in the Phoenix, Arizona area who want to join our team to help bring these technologies to mankind. If there are any takers, feel free to call or send me an email. - Reed Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:23:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07868; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031628.JAA04407@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1101 From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 09:31 PM 5/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi Folks, >> >>A few days ago I posted some late night ramblings concerning the issue of >>better gas milage (among other things). I am researching methods of increasing >>gas mileage, and I am thankful to have a member of this list assisting me in >>this endeavor. >>I would like to ask members of this list, and any of their friends, if >>anyone knows of certain combustion statistics for gasoline and propane. I would >>like to know the rate of expansion of an ignited air:fuel mixture so that I can >>calculate the amount of force being exerted on a piston within my engine's >>cylinder. > >Hi Brian, > >I don't have exactly the data you are asking, but have an acquaintance here >in Italy, who has been researching the same thing from a practical >viewpoint. The system he came up with, is a different kind of carburettor, >which makes the gasoline/air mixture into an exceedingly fine mist. It >seems that this works wonders for gas mileage and reduces the pollutants as >well. He offered the invention to car makers and other industries of >possible interest. No one wants to touch it, although it seems to work >quite well. > >Might be that industry is content with the current situation, or that there >is a rule that no single manufacturer better get out of line??? > >Regards - Josef > >Josef Hasslberger >Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy >j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it > > > The idea of misting gasoline works quite well. Several devices have been invented and tested by garage inventors. Auto people are well aware of it. The issue inside manufacturer boardrooms is liability. Atomized mists of gasoline have astounding explosive power, greater than TNT. I have heard that a poound of gasoline vapor will take out a residential city block. Nobody wants the liability issue. Hence, we waste a great portion of the potential energy. Gasoline is a crappy way to do autos anyway. Never get rid of all the pollution. Petrochemicals make great woven structures and should be reserved for fabrics and structures. Magnetic motors are on the way!!! ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:24:36 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07648; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1102 From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Muller Magnetic Dynamo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear Steve; The local power company is called "B.C. Hydro". and would not even entertain your ideas for a minute. Trust me as I have had a number of contracts with them. I think you have some of the ideas but not all. B.C. Hydro is obligated by law to purchase electricity from you if you want them too. They are called 'co-generators' and usually burn a by-product such as sawdust. Have you seen this unit. What size is it. Do you have pictures. What is the efficiency. I have investors that would be interested but it must work. You will never, at least IMHO, find anyone who will pay for development. I assume this is the Muller of Penticton, B.C. who has been working on this one for quite a while now. Take care, Byrun. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 12:26:05 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07967; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031628.JAA04425@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1103 From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 02:06 AM 6/2/96 -0700, you wrote: > > > I have heard supercarb stories before. The only reason I can think of why >big manufacturers do not want to drastically increase gas milage is that it >would signifigantly alter the petroleum consumption in this country. Let's face >it, many influential people attribute their financial wealth to the oil >dependancy of the US and other countries. Heck, we even started a war in the >Persian Gulf to secure future oil reserves! The political ramnifications of a >large populace reducing their gasoline consumption undoubtedly makes big >manufacturers nervous. There is some evidence out of the 30's and 40's that there was strong discouragement of fuel efficiency, probably mostly because gas was in huge supply relative to the demand. The evidence seems to be patents which were bought up and never used. There are also the death threat rumors but frankly I tend to that these are promotor stories. In today's environment I think such thinking is fallacious. I tried to help a fellow with a "improve gas mileage" device. We are got a hearing from majors. One manufacturer spent quite a bit of money testing the device out. The device just didn't pan out. They would have bought it in a heart beat if it had panned out. A lot of shade tree mechanics make the mistake of installing devices and tuning up their cars at the same time. You can almost always notice a 10% improvement on the older cars whenever you do a tune-up, and a lot of installed devices thus "improved" gas mileage. There is a huge manufacturing base now in the world whose fortunes are completely divergent from the petro/bank elites of the early 20th century. A better mousetrap in fuel consumption will get a big big earnest hearing, IF IF IF it works AND IT IS DOABLE. Misting outside of diesel tech is not considered doable because of the practical inability to provide fail safe control of detonation. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 19:08:44 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA26004; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606032309.QAA24685@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1104 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Muller Magnetic Dynamo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On 3 Jun 96 Brian said to paula@southconn.com >Dear Steve; >The local power company is called "B.C. Hydro". and would not even >entertain your ideas for a minute. Trust me as I have had a number >of contracts with them. Brian, It was my understanding (from the msg that I had lost) that they have a working model...450 HP 300 KW...and that the problem now is doing the actual testing....because of the size/power capabilities they were having a hard time figuring out how to do it inexpensively...(did not have the money to buy the capacitors they needed for the testing)... I was brainstorming possible ways they could get the testing done/get money for testing....you might be surprised how much a company would put out especially if there is publicity to go along with it...... so even your experience with BC Hydro might not apply in this case.. (with publicity)... >I think you have some of the ideas but not all. >Have you seen this unit. What size is it. Do you have pictures. >What is the efficiency. I have investors that would be interested >but it must work. You will never, at least IMHO, find anyone who >will pay for development. >I assume this is the Muller of Penticton, B.C. who has been working >on this one for quite a while now. I believe that this is the same Muller....he/they have a page at www.aa.net/~mwm/magnet/, reading over their explanation over what they have, and why how it works makes sense to me (more so than some other so called overunity devices I have seen)...I think they may have something, and be further along the line than some other mag. motor/ generator people are....even if they are not overunity they have a very, very efficient motor/generator, at half (at least) the weight of other motor generators, plus by selling the magnetic material to all sorts of other markets have interesting possiblities.....(if what they claim for their material is correct..)....as in all things has to be checked out...I have not seen the unit and know nothing more about it then what I have read on the net....take a look at the page and tell me what you think....if you could get ahold of some of their material you could have it tested to see if it meets what they claim (zero retentivity, etc.) I would like to have some myself to play with (g)....anyway take a look.... steve&paula opelc paula@southconn.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 19:10:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA24971; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606032240.WAA06447@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1105 From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New web page X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I have just started my own web page (economy, physics and new energy) and would like you to have a look and give me your comments and suggestions. Links to good free energy sites are planned, but have not been put in yet. If you know of any good ones, (or if you have one and would exchange links), let me know as well. Josef Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it check out my home page: www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 19:11:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA26270; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960603232953_76216.2421_HHB53-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1106 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Michael - > Magnetic motors are on the way!!! They're already here. Where are the darned batteries, or monster capacitors? Where's the power company capacity to supply all that juice at recharge time? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 19:12:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA26613; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606032342.QAA00860@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1107 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Muller Magnetic Motor X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: +OK 220 68701 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: paula@southconn.com Subject: Muller Magnetic Dynamo On 3 Jun 96 freenrg-l said to paula@southconn.com >Thanks for your ideas. The power connection demo is very Another idea, get a starter motor from Delco/Reme (sp?) take it apart and have a machinist replace the magnetic material with yours...take it to Delco for testing...if you can knock off a pound from the weight of a normal auto starting motor they would love you forever, and do whatever they could to support you..and you could use the test results with investors.....steve P.S. am posting this in public, on the list, in order for other people to comment/suggest ways to test this thing out...(I really would like to get a generator made out of this material) (if it works).... `[1;37;45mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 19:12:49 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA25797; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606032308.QAA24638@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1108 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Muller Magnetic Dynamo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On 3 Jun 96 freenrg-l said to paula@southconn.com >Thanks for your ideas. The power connection demo is very >interesting and I am going to try to talk Bill into it. We do not >want the liability of pre-sales, however. We want to get companies Glad I came up with something that you hadn't thought of...if you can find someone that uses a lot of electricity you might try doing something with them, if it doesn't work out with the power company.....steve PS will be following to the best of my ability your sucess (g) (I hope) `[1;37;45mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 3 19:20:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA26873; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606040015.UAA10477@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1109 From: "David Rosignoli" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Browm effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: FYI: There is a document that can be obtained that descibes experiments concerning the Biefeld-Brown effect. The address that is on my return address is: OLAC PL/RKFE 10 E. Saturn Blvd. Edwards Air Force Base, CA 93524-7680 The report number is: PL-TR-91-3009 The report title is: Final Report for the period February 1989 to July 1990. Twenty-First Century Propulsion Concept May 1991 Author: R.L. Talley Veritay Technology, Inc. 4845 Miller Sport Highway East Amherst, NY 14051 The funding number (whatever that is) is: F04611-89-C-0023 The 94 page document describes experiments done by Veritay Technology to replicate the Brown effect. The highest DC voltage applied was 19 KV, due to dielectric breakdown problems. The experimental analysis of the Brown effect was top notch. One of the best experimental setups I've seen. The experimentors took a lot of factors into account. The tests only used high voltage DC. Their conclusion? Well, There does not seem to be a Bifield-Brown effect using the DC voltages that they applied - and they could measure down to nanoNewtons, if memory serves me right. However, they did measure a force whenever a spark jumped, and discharged the capacitor. Of course, the force measured was extremely tiny - I believe in the nanoNewtons. The experimentors concluded by saying that, and I paraphrase, they did not believe that there was any effect using high voltage DC, but that abruptly discharging the capacitor should be further investigated. Hope this info. helps. David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 02:56:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA12663; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606040248.WAA21081@helios.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1110 From: Jahzid Allah To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Energy Storage5 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Thinking about how an individual can develop a Solar Power Self Sufficient home. The method I propose is a Solar Energy Water Pump and a Water Tank as a storage for the Potential Energy during the night. I did a few preliminary calculations. A 60 watt light bulb which consumes 60 joules/second in one day, which contains 86,400 seconds, therefore consuming 5.184 x 10E6 joules/day. A tank in the back yard that has an land area of 100 square meters (900 sq feet), and a height of 4 meters, full of water, whose density is 1000 kg per cubic meter, has a Potential Energy of (with h = height of the tank in meters, rho = mass per height, g = acceleration of gravity) /4 U= \ rho g h dh /0 /4 U= \ 100 sq. meters x 9.8 m/s^2 x 1000 kg/(m per sq meter) h dh /0 /4 U= \ 9.8 x 10E5 h dh /0 |4 U= 1/2 x 9.8 x 10E5 h^2 | Joules |0 = 16/2 * 9.8 x 10E5 Joules = 7.84 x 10E6 Joules which is a little over 5.184 x 10E6 Joules needed to keep a 60 watt light bulb running continuously for the whole day. The size of the above tank is roughly the dimensions of your standard classroom. You could extend this set up to an underground resevoir of a depth of 13 meters and 100 meters square area to get aproximately enough room to store a daily exposure for a photovoltaic cell of 1kw (1000 Joules/sec.). The energy is "stored" in the gravitational potential energy of the water of the tank and is converted into electricity through a hydraulic system which allows the water to be drained from the tank under pressure, which in turn turns the rotor of an a.c. generator. U fill the tank back up during the day with the 1kw photovoltaic cells, which power a water pump to pump the water exhausted from the bottom of the tank back to the top, in a complete cycle. The photovoltai cells R powered by the Sun. Well any, that was just a suggestion. Constantly working on refining it. Peace. Jahzid Allah From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 03:01:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA13023; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1111 From: Zachary DeAquila To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Muller Magnetic Dynamo Bulletin #2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >From: Michael Mandeville >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Muller Magnetic Dynamo Bulletin #2 >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > >Concerning the output characteristics of the Muller Dynamo and its "Free >Run" ability: [..info deleted..] > >There are a couple of practical issues to resolve but they are not >unresolvable. The biggest practical problem is that Muller built such a >damn big test unit that he can't afford the expense at this point of a >suitable storage/buffer medium (batteries can be used but create ambiguities >so a capacitor bank is ideal because it can be precisely calibrated)through >which to recycle his output. Muller is an old mining electrician and thinks >in terms of hundreds and thousands of amps. His 450 hp unit is equivilent to >300 kw output, which is a lot of output and buffering of that is pretty >expensive. uh, maybe this is a simple-minded thought, but... can you scale it down? a smaller unit would be cheaper, easier to produce, easier to ship, and could conceivably be used to power a car... and off the top of my head I can't think of any physical laws that set any kind of lower limit to size (above the atomic level, of course)... of course, I'm far from all knowing... --Zachary From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 03:04:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA13162; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31B3F7BD.25BB@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1112 From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 100% heat conversion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, For calculating the possbility of an 100% heat converter I need a formula (or a table) for the expansion factor of water in the range where the expansions factor is negative (the warmer, the higher the density: water at atmosferic pressure has this property only between 0 and 4 degrees Celcius). I need this not only for atmosferic pressure (1 bar) but also for higher pressures (for example up to 1000 bar). This 'working area' (where water has a negative expansion factor) changes most likely by changing the pressure (so by 1000 bar the effect is not in the 0 to 4 degrees Celcius but probably shifted or even totaly disappeared!). If anybody knows a formula for this, has look-up tables or knows where I can get one... Please let me know. Regards, Maarten ---------------------- Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 03:04:58 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA13085; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31B3EC53.532E@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1113 From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Browm effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: David Rosignoli wrote: > The experimental analysis of the Brown effect was top notch. One > of the best experimental setups I've seen. The experimentors took > a lot of factors into account. > > The tests only used high voltage DC. > Their conclusion? Well, There does not seem to be a Bifield-Brown > effect using the DC voltages that they applied - and they could > measure down to nanoNewtons, if memory serves me right. > However, they did measure a force whenever a spark jumped, and > discharged the capacitor. Of course, the force measured was > extremely tiny - I believe in the nanoNewtons. > > The experimentors concluded by saying that, and I paraphrase, > they did not believe that there was any effect using high voltage > DC, but that abruptly discharging the capacitor should be > further investigated. > > Hope this info. helps. > Thanks, It saves me a lot of trouble trying to replicate something that isn't there, or that can't be measured by self manufactured instruments. ---------------------- Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 03:06:07 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA12966; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606040521.WAA29254@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1114 From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MWO, Double Helix, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: 6/4/96 ">A question for one and all. What is the REAL length and width of any >functioning segment of DNA? Answer to this question allows evaluation >of the accuracy of Winter's so called DNA Phi based ratio. Exactly, Dan's claim only applys over 360 degrees, not over the full chain. The coiling you describe is what he claims is the physical manifestation of the process you describe (as having non-local components)." As the question asks, "What is the REAL length and width of any functioning segment of DNA?". A functioning DNA segment may be a 360 degree turn. So what is the length and width of this 360 degree segment? I do not wish to quibble, but what I'm getting at is that a living 360 degree segment is constantly moving and changing its dimensions as opposed to an artifactually fixed segment of DNA crystal. "A few points here, first the Phi ratio of lenght to width was reportedly observed, not calculated by theory. If the results do not match exactly, we must find out to what degree they do not match, and then decide if the accuracy is sufficient to support the theroy, if we have a theory first. As to the use of average values, this might indeed be cirtical in the study of fractal behavior and patterns. You tread a fine line here." All this is quite true. What I'm saying is that when we start averaging, we introduce a tremendous amount of subjectivity. This subjectivity varies from researcher to researcher. Who is averaging what? Indeed, we tread a fine line. In fact, it becomes a very slippry slope. When does it go so far as to affect the accuracy we use to support the theory? I don't know, so I tend to err on the side of caution. ">So now this very precise, so called Golden Mean has pejorated into an >ordinary mean ratio and Nature is really impressed. Total scientific >rubbish. I'll call you on that one. Provide the references please." Sure. Choose any seventh grade general science text and read the Scientific Method. You will not find this method of choosing a dependant variable then working backward to choose specific independant variables that are related to each other then proove the overall general conclusion. I do freely admit that in my field a great many important discoveries have been made by those with keen powers of observation. They often correlate "unrelated observations" to synthesize revolutionary discoveries. Is this what you are trying to do with phi? Exactly what is your concept of the phi connection? ">This type of "science" should arouse immediate skepticism and open >minded criticism. . . . All science should do so. Survival of the fittest in intellectual terms? Debunkery is another topic with fine lines." Yes, Darwinian science, I suppose. These are honest scientific debates and opinions and debunkery has no place in this discussion. ">Re: EEG and EKG phi based frequency progressions are calculations. >Measurements imply measuring points. Exactly what were your measuring >points in the EKG and EEG wave forms? Ground lead on the Mastoid, one pickup over each temproal lobe. Also this is observed in EKG with standard pickup placement, and in EMG data throughout the body." Sorry, I did not mean how were the leads physically attached. I meant measuring points on the wave forms of the data collected. For instance an EKG is a repeating wave form composed of smaller components, ie, P,Q,R,S,T. How was the period measured -- R-R? Chaotic content can be extracted from this observed frequency data. Software is readily available to determine if chaos exists in a data series. ">How did you measure the chaotic content of the wave forms? The 'chaotic attractor' of a givcen signal may be plotted simply by delivering the signal to the X and Y axis of an oscilloscope with a phase shift between the two axis. For narow band signals, this phase shift should ideally be 90 degrees. snip . . . The resultaing lissagouse pattern shows the behavior over time in phase space." I suggest that there is much more than observing a 'chaotic attractor' by a lissajous pattern in phase space in determining if a signal contains a chaotic component. For instance, were any Lyapounov exponents positive? What are the fractal dimensions? What are the degrees of freedom? Two nonlinear signals on the X and Y axes may appear to form a 'chaotic attractor', but in reality there may be no chaotic component. RE: Regression of terminal illnesses. "One case would be insignificant, but there are tens of thousands. The lack of control is an issue, but a phenomena that is difficult to produce in a controlled setting, but is observed in nature is still worthy of investigation." Reference to the ten thousand cases please. "Especialy if we observed the effects of the "control" on the phenomema experimentally. Evidence from primary perception studies may imply that because of the high degree of interconnectedness, null results can be produced unser specific, testable conditions." Please point us to these primary perception studies. "As to theories in general, I strongly perfer to leave the theory to others. I perfer to test the theories, and then choose what to beleive. I cannot see myself developing a detailed theory, and then being objective enough to judge it's merit. I dont trust myself quite that far, but I will allow the phenomema I see lead my personal perspective wander over a very wide range. I do trust my ability to construct tests, and make observations from the data." To the list members. In my opinion and knowledge regarding this topic there is not a better theoretician nor experimenter than Bob Shannon. Bob is being quite modest about his theoretical ability. His depth of knowledge in this field and his ability to synthesize new theory and test it is superb. His judgement is excellent. Again, I applaude Bob for bringing this topic up. "In the Newman discussion, we had issues with the testing methods as well as with the conclusions drawn from the observations. Where Dan Winter came up, it seems you assume he's fitting the data to the theory. . . " No, his data stands. I question the methodology used. " . . . I cannot fully say if this is true in whole or part, but my understanding is that his background in clinical testing gave him the oppertunity to observe and become aware of the phenomema he describes rather than having formed the theory first, and then gone out looking for supporting evidence. snip Do you have any information that suggests Dan has "filtered" his data, or that the theory predated the data he implies led him to the theory?" No. "A friend once said "Subvert the major paradigm". Sage advice in my opinion, but a difficult asperation in practice, especially where science is concerned." Obviously, a very wise friend. Perhaps a corollary should be added that care should be exercised in replacing the subverted paradigm only with a more valid paradigm. Darwinism again, I suspect. DNA Reference. My brother-in-law, Jim Anderson, is a Ph.D. molecular biologist at NIH. He is an expert in genetic engineering, DNA, etc. He has offered to field questions from this group. Email him at andersoj@gm1.nigms.nih.gov From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 21:24:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA10768; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1117 From: John Alexander Lotoski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 100% heat conversion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > For calculating the possbility of an 100% heat converter I need a > formula (or a table) for the expansion factor of water in the range > where the expansions factor is negative (the warmer, the higher the > density: water at atmosferic pressure has this property only between 0 > and 4 degrees Celcius). I need this not only for atmosferic pressure (1 > bar) but also for higher pressures (for example up to 1000 bar). > > This 'working area' (where water has a negative expansion factor) > changes most likely by changing the pressure (so by 1000 bar the effect > is not in the 0 to 4 degrees Celcius but probably shifted or even totaly > disappeared!). > > If anybody knows a formula for this, has look-up tables or knows where I > can get one... > Please let me know. Hmmm... I think what your you need is the volume expansivity co-effecient for water... Data for water with this should be found in the CRC handbook or thermodynamic chemistry or physics textbooks/references (most big libraries or any university will have them). The formula is: B (beta) = 1/V * (dV/dT)p Once you find the constant re-arrange: / Tf / Vf |B dt| = | dV/V | / Ti / Vi and integrate: B(Tf-Ti) = ln (Vf/Vi) Vf=Vi*exp(B(Tf-Ti)) I think that's how you do it?!?! I'm not sure if this is what your looking for. In this equation pressure is held constant. The isothermal compressibility coeffiecient may also be what your looking for. It is: K (Kappa) = -1/V (dV/dP)T and can be handled in the same way. Also, these "constants" may be given as a formula of the form: coefficient = alpha*T + beta*T^2 + lambda*T^3 etc. (or P replaces T) This is done in order to correct for the slightly non-linearity of the property of the changing temperature or pressure. You still handle these in the same way (i.e. integrate the whole thing, rearrange or subsitute etc). John From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 21:30:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA10239; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606041202.OAA05215@bure.abc.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1118 From: conny.ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 100% heat conversion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Hi all, > >For calculating the possbility of an 100% heat converter I need a >formula (or a table) for the expansion factor of water in the range [snip] I have read about a 100% heat converter. It will convert 100% of mecanical enery to heat. This is done thru a "liquid-breaker". That is a cylindrical container with a inlet at the top on the side. At the bottom side there is the outlet. Inside the cylinder there are serveral walls going from the wall towards halfways to the middle of the cylinder. In the middle of the cylinder there is a axis with similar walls going from the center out to almost touching the walls coming from the cylinder. When the axis is turned, 100% of the energy that it takes to turn it, is converted to heat, due to that the water is 'shaken' by the walls inside the cylinder. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 21:35:22 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA11099; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606041411.HAA19010@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1119 From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Muller Magnetic Dynamo Bulletin #2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 02:52 AM 6/4/96 -0700, you wrote: > > >uh, maybe this is a simple-minded thought, but... can you scale it down? >a smaller unit would be cheaper, easier to produce, easier to ship, and >could conceivably be used to power a car... > > > --Zachary > sure you can, but meanwhile, I'm trying to get from here to there... ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 21:37:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA12733; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606042256.AA11047@student.utwente.nl> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1120 From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Energy Storage5 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: To Jahzid Allah, >Thinking about how an individual can develop a Solar Power Self >Sufficient >home. The method I propose is a Solar Energy Water Pump and a Water Tank >as a storage for the Potential Energy during the night. I did a few >preliminary calculations. >A 60 watt light bulb which consumes 60 joules/second in one day, which contains >86,400 seconds, therefore consuming 5.184 x 10E6 joules/day. > >A tank in the back yard that has an land area of 100 square meters >(900 sq feet), and a height of 4 meters, full of water, whose density is >1000 kg per cubic meter, has a Potential Energy of (with h = height >of the tank in meters, rho = mass per height, g = acceleration of gravity) I think it would be more practical to heat the water (and use good isolation). When doing that you only need to heat 1.2 cubic metres of water ONE degree to make your lamp burn for a day. This would save a lot of digging (which costs a lot of energy). Timothy van der Linden P.S. I've some doubts about the meaning of your integration. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 4 21:42:51 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13572; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606050403.AAA28634@zork.tiac.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1121 From: bshannon@tiac.net (bshannon) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MWO, Phi, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Rick Wall wrote: ">So now this very precise, so called Golden Mean has pejorated into an >ordinary mean ratio and Nature is really impressed. Total scientific >rubbish. I responded: "I'll call you on that one. Provide the references please." >Sure. Choose any seventh grade general science text and read the >Scientific Method. You will not find this method of choosing a >dependant variable then working backward to choose specific independant >variables that are related to each other then proove the overall >general conclusion. Err, I was asking for references on your claim that the occurances of Phi in nature was "Total scientific rubbish" however the theory came to be. Were you commenting only on the approach, or the claims of the occurances? I do understand your point on fitting data to the theory though. >I do freely admit that in my field a great many important discoveries >have been made by those with keen powers of observation. They often >correlate "unrelated observations" to synthesize revolutionary >discoveries. Is this what you are trying to do with phi? Exactly what >is your concept of the phi connection? The 'phi connection' is not my theory, but is claimed to be observed in several specific conditions. Based on this, I also conduct tests which appear to replicate the observations of others. The application of phi based neural entrainment signals does appear to produce a state in which non-local entrainment of other subjects (plants, etc.) is observed. There are references that also claim that these ratios induce entrainment at lower levels than other ratios, but i cannot confirm this objectivly. Subjectivly, this appears to be the case, but..... >Sorry, I did not mean how were the leads physically attached. I meant >measuring points on the wave forms of the data collected. For instance >an EKG is a repeating wave form composed of smaller components, ie, >P,Q,R,S,T. How was the period measured -- R-R? Chaotic content can be >extracted from this observed frequency data. Software is readily >available to determine if chaos exists in a data series. The ratios between the predominate frequency components is simply plotted on a spectrum analyzer, or PC with proper software. >Please point us to these primary perception studies. I'll dig out the book that originally described these tests. I have made several tests of this, and similar phenomena, as has an associate. If anyone has a hardcopy of Dan Winter's book, could they post the references to the Heart-Math institute tests of non-local entrainment please? Also, in many cases this type of research is unpublished, or underpublished. It's one of the things that puts the "weird" into science, try it out! (Just don't stick some electrodes into a test tube of yogurt, make scarey faces at it, and say there's nothing to it. The simplest test I have seen divides the culture into two halves, monitors the original, then feeds the second whole milk, and denys the original food. Within a few seconds, the original culture shows unusual electrical activity. A proper control must not divide the culture, and monitor it for a similar time period as the test case to eliminate the possibility that the electrical activity was a normal behavior, or not feed either divided culture. The control test cannot be concurent unless you can eliminate any contamination between the control and test cases. This is simple enough to do.) >I do freely admit that in my field a great many important discoveries >have been made by those with keen powers of observation. They often >correlate "unrelated observations" to synthesize revolutionary >discoveries. Is this what you are trying to do with phi? Exactly what >is your concept of the phi connection? No, I read some interesting data, and simply made some tests that seem to suggest that there is something to the claims. I tend to buy it so far. That pesky ratio does just keep popping up in the oddest places, and I hate fractions! I'm not ready to claim to have proven anything here, just that so far, I think there's something to it, but I know not what. I sure wish I knew something more of chaos theory, but having this thing about fractions for so long, I never got all that good with math. I also understand that this is a fast moving, and volitile subject all it's own. I'm sure the final chapters for all these subjects are yet to be written. I asked: "Do you have any information that suggests Dan has "filtered" his data, or that the theory predated the data he implies led him to the theory?" >No. Ahem, you wrote "You will not find this method of choosing a dependant variable then working backward to choose specific independant variables that are related...", and yet you have no evidence that this was in fact the case? What else does that 7th grade text have to say? I had written: "A friend once said "Subvert the major paradigm". Sage advice in my opinion, but a difficult asperation in practice, especially where science is concerned." >Obviously, a very wise friend. Perhaps a corollary should be added >that care should be exercised in replacing the subverted paradigm only >with a more valid paradigm. Darwinism again, I suspect. I'll buy that, lock, stock and barrel! Darwinian science might from time to time produce friction and flame, but these same, very human behaviors also totally justify it in my opinion. Thanks for the DNA reference. I'll check with Dan Winter to see just how the values he illustrates in his book were observed as well. Bob S. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 5 15:19:09 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04404; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606050540.WAA09492@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1123 From: "Dennis C. Lee" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Browm effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: The Biefeld-Brown effect is reported to be noticeable at 50kv DC. To have been limited to 19kv DC because of dielectric breakdown problems seems amateurish to me. Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 07:10 PM 6/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >FYI: > >There is a document that can be obtained that descibes experiments >concerning the Biefeld-Brown effect. The address that is on my >return address is: > >OLAC PL/RKFE >10 E. Saturn Blvd. >Edwards Air Force Base, CA 93524-7680 > >The report number is: > >PL-TR-91-3009 > >The report title is: > >Final Report for the period February 1989 to July 1990. >Twenty-First Century Propulsion Concept >May 1991 > >Author: R.L. Talley > Veritay Technology, Inc. > 4845 Miller Sport Highway > East Amherst, NY 14051 > >The funding number (whatever that is) is: F04611-89-C-0023 > >The 94 page document describes experiments done by Veritay >Technology to replicate the Brown effect. The highest DC voltage >applied was 19 KV, due to dielectric breakdown problems. > >The experimental analysis of the Brown effect was top notch. One >of the best experimental setups I've seen. The experimentors took >a lot of factors into account. > >The tests only used high voltage DC. >Their conclusion? Well, There does not seem to be a Bifield-Brown >effect using the DC voltages that they applied - and they could >measure down to nanoNewtons, if memory serves me right. >However, they did measure a force whenever a spark jumped, and >discharged the capacitor. Of course, the force measured was >extremely tiny - I believe in the nanoNewtons. > >The experimentors concluded by saying that, and I paraphrase, >they did not believe that there was any effect using high voltage >DC, but that abruptly discharging the capacitor should be >further investigated. > > >Hope this info. helps. > > >David Rosignoli >drdaveor@enter.net > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 6 05:23:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA12925; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1124 From: Chris Lloyd To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: HOW THE HELL DO I GET OFF THIS LIST????????????????????????????????????????? I have sent the unsubscribe freenrg-l 5 times and still get mail???? HELP!!!! ************************************************** "Eagles May Soar...But Weasels Don't Get Sucked Into to Jet Intakes...." ************************************************** clloyd@ncc1701d.timeslice.com 06/06/96 01:09:09 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 6 05:30:15 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA12286; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1125 From: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca (Ken G. Brown) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Magnetic Shielding X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know of a source of magnetic shielding information? Also, is there anything that works kind of like a LCD which you can control the shielding effect on and off at will? ie. energize and the material shields the effects of a magnetic field from one to another object, de-energize and the field passes through. I've seen a mechanical device used to attach the base of a small drill press to a flat metal plate magnetically. You turn a knob and the device sucks down so hard you can't move it, turn the knob back and it releases completely. Does anyone know how this works or know where to find out? Thx. -Ken- _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@tnc.com Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 6 05:30:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA12600; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1126 From: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca (Ken G. Brown) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 100% heat conversion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >>Hi all, >> >>For calculating the possbility of an 100% heat converter I need a >>formula (or a table) for the expansion factor of water in the range >[snip] >I have read about a 100% heat converter. It will convert 100% of >mecanical enery to heat. This is done thru a "liquid-breaker". >That is a cylindrical container with a inlet at the top on the side. >At the bottom side there is the outlet. Inside the cylinder there are >serveral walls going from the wall towards halfways to the middle of >the cylinder. In the middle of the cylinder there is a axis with >similar walls going from the center out to almost touching the walls >coming from the cylinder. When the axis is turned, 100% of the energy >that it takes to turn it, is converted to heat, due to that the water >is 'shaken' by the walls inside the cylinder. This sounds a lot like a Water Brake Dynamometer which is used for test loading engines and allows variable loading by varying the flow, pressure, orfice sizes etc.. The energy is absorbed and converted to heat. These have been used extensively for testing helicopter turbine engines in the late fifties. I think the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) might have info. I also wonder if a Tesla Turbine or Pump could be used in a similar way. _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@tnc.com Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 6 05:40:03 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA12688; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606060033.UAA17144@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1127 From: "David Rosignoli" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Browm effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > David Rosignoli wrote: > > The experimental analysis of the Brown effect was top notch. One > > of the best experimental setups I've seen. The experimentors took > > a lot of factors into account. > > > > The tests only used high voltage DC. > > Their conclusion? Well, There does not seem to be a Bifield-Brown > > effect using the DC voltages that they applied - and they could > > measure down to nanoNewtons, if memory serves me right. > > However, they did measure a force whenever a spark jumped, and > > discharged the capacitor. Of course, the force measured was > > extremely tiny - I believe in the nanoNewtons. > > > > The experimentors concluded by saying that, and I paraphrase, > > they did not believe that there was any effect using high voltage > > DC, but that abruptly discharging the capacitor should be > > further investigated. > > > > Hope this info. helps. > > > > Thanks, > It saves me a lot of trouble trying to replicate something that isn't > there, or that can't be measured by self manufactured instruments. > Just keep in mind that the Veritay report was only conducted at a maximum voltage of 19kVDC. In Brown's patents, he mentions using 50 kVdc and higher. The question still remains whether or not there is an effect at these higher voltages using pure DC, and using pulsed DC. Many people have tried replicating the Brown effect. Unfortunately, not much accurate recording and documentation is available. For anyone out there who has replicated the Bifield Brown effect, please send a reply to this message. I think we all want to see this particular phenomenon either confirmed or put out to pasture. If anyone is currently working on replicating the phenomenon, please also send a reply, if you can. It would be great if all the data on the experiments performed could be posted here, including experimental setup, high voltage generation description, measurements, etc. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 18:32:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10169; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960606170054_76216.2421_HHB64-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1131 From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dennis - >>> "The Biefeld-Brown effect is reported to be noticeable at 50kv DC. To have been limited to 19kv DC because of dielectric breakdown problems seems amateurish to me." But wouldn't you think that even at 19kv there'd be something to measure on the very sensitive equipment they claimed to use? However, if it's something so non-linear that it doesn't even "break loose" until somewhere in the vicinity of 50kv, then that might be. I wonder if they used straight DC? I've heard that it doesn't show unless the voltage is varying or pulsed, but I can't remember where, or why that information should be considered any better than any other rumor. Every experiment I've heard of has either shown nothing, or has gotton lost behind ionic effects or static attractions/repulsions. I don't think it's a very easy experiment to do, and some descriptions I've read of these experiments have the things set up in chambers shaped to be neutral or balanced in terms of static e forces, too. However, I'm still going to try to take a look myself if I ever get my HV generator finished. Darned 'real life' stuff keeps interfering. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 18:34:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10353; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9606062311.AA20241@atom.om.com.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1132 From: MindTech To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Browm effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: The key appears to be the dielectric and resonance. I have an article from Popular Mechanics in the 1930's that claims lift proportionate to HV frequency applied. Major Seversky was another researcher in electrogravitics who acquired several patents. digitalice * >For anyone out there who has replicated the Biefield Brown effect, >please send a reply to this message. I think we all want to see >this particular phenomenon either confirmed or put out to pasture. >If anyone is currently working on replicating the phenomenon, please >also send a reply, if you can. > >It would be great if all the data on the experiments performed >could be posted here, including experimental setup, high voltage >generation description, measurements, etc. > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 8 18:46:17 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10962; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31b285a9.19285595@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1133 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:08:05 -0700 (PDT), Brian wrote: [snip] > If anyone can put me in touch with a supercarb builder, PLEASE DO!!! > [snip] Check out the URL in my sig. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 10 02:20:58 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA02636; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1135 From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: your mail X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Chris Lloyd wrote: > >> HOW THE HELL DO I GET OFF THIS LIST????????????????????????????????????????? >> >> I have sent the unsubscribe freenrg-l 5 times and still get mail???? HELP!!!! > >I still get mail too ! >I have sent several 'unsubscribe' msg, no result. > > > How can you be 'uninscribed' from the list??????????????????????? Well, if all else fails, start up a discussion of Joseph Newman's Motor/Generator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This might work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* [*Just joking!!! -- couldn't resist!! ;-) ] Evan Soule' josephnewman@earthlink.net From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 10 02:28:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03024; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606091413.XAA15603@dove.mtx.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1136 From: Glen Sawyer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: High Voltage - Electrostatic propulsion. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Not sure of the originator ( discoverer )?? of the effect, but I have demonstrated the "High voltage - lift effect" a number of times, I used a lightweight (Balsa-wood) frame covered in Aluminium foil, at as many "edge" surfaces as possible, you "fray" or cut the alfoil into thin strips ( so you have lots of effective "surface area", attached the "device" via a very lightweight cable (or graphite impregnated cotton) to a source of H.V D.C ( you CAN use an auto ignition coil and pulser circuit), once power is applied the device will show a small degree of vertical movement. Although I have exhibited this effect several times I only regard it as a "curiosity" the degree of lift versus weight ( power to weight ratio) is VERY limited, I do NOT beleieve that there is any real "commercial" or practical value in this experiment. Mind you .... I have not tried it with 100KV ++ voltages, not with High R.F voltages if you HAVE, then please advise what your findings were. Regards to all. Glen. ========================================================================= Glenville T Sawyer. | TD,LD,LX in Local & Community theatres. email: gsawyer@dove.mtx.net.au | Make .WAV's not .WAR's snail: Box 271 Kapunda S.A 5373 | Audio, Lighting, SFX & Props email me ! =========================================================================  From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 10 02:28:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03143; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606091631.RAA27773@serv4.vossnet.co.uk> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1137 From: jasgaw@vossnet.co.uk (Jasgaw@vossnet.co.uk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: AND ME I,VE SENT THE UNSUBSCRIBE ALSO WHICH DID NOT WORK..........HELP -- JASGAW@VOSSNET.CO.UK From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 10 02:38:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03299; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606100035.UAA21157@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1138 From: "David Rosignoli" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Browm effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > What is the Biefeld-Brown effect? In essence, the Bifield-Brown effect, or just Brown effect, is when a sufficiently high DC voltage is applied across a capacitor. The effect reportedly produced is a lifting effect (or decrease in weight) in the more positive direction of the applied voltage. There are a few patents on this phenomenon by Thomas Townsend Brown dating back to the '60's (and I think one from the '30's). Many people claim that this shows a direct link between electricity and gravity. There is another phenomenon related to this called petrovoltaics, or the electric rock phenomenon: This is when electrodes are placed across a rock (I forgot what kind). There is a dc voltage created which is then sent to a signal amplifier. This voltage has been recorded over time and found to have sidereal variations. An infolios from Rex Research describes this very well. Also, Gregory Hodowanec has done similar experiments using just standard capacitors. I believe he described it as either the cause of 1/f noise, or as hidden within it. The petrovoltaic experiment is relatively easy to replicate. I am not sure if anyone has done so, other than Hodowanec. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has. However, the Brown effect is a great deal more difficult to replicate due to the high voltages involved. At such high voltages (the original patent called out 50kV and up, although it did not say it didn't work below that, althoug many speculate that this is a highly nonlinear effect that has a threshold @ 50kVDC), there is a great deal of ion wind created if the surrounding environment is ambient air. Also in effect is the large electrostatically induced forces created by any chamber walls. Never mind the fact that dielectrics tend to break down. (I believe the Veritay report had problems with the induced forces during their experiments, as well as dielectric breakdown.) Some people (see Electric Spacecraft Journal - almost any issue) have tried repeating the Brown effect. Some report success, others report failure. Also, it is not sure what is the best way to apply the high voltage. That is, just a pure DC, rectified DC, DC with some overriding AC signal on top of it, ... Also reported during experiments of the Brown effect is when a spark occurs between the two plates of the capacitor, essentially shorting it. Then what is reported is a jump in force in the capacitor. For those who think that the Veritay report is amateurish, my suggestion is to write to the previous address posted and obtain a copy of their experimental results document. You should be able to get it at no cost, or possibly a nominal one. Read it and decide for yourself. But the thought and planning gone into it indicate a well performed experiment. David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 11 15:21:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA13357; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31bc13e9.49888566@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1139 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Magnetic Shielding X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT), Ken G. Brown wrote: >Does anyone know of a source of magnetic shielding information? > >Also, is there anything that works kind of like a LCD which you can control >the shielding effect on and off at will? ie. energize and the material >shields the effects of a magnetic field from one to another object, >de-energize and the field passes through. [snip] The only thing I can think of that fits this description, is one of the new ceramic based superconductors. When superconducting, it blocks a magnetic field perfectly, while allowing it to pass when non-superconducting. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 11 15:29:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA14930; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <54E6BA654D@enterprise.cia.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1140 From: "Rob Polley" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Magnetic Shielding X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:12:44 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca (Ken G. Brown) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Magnetic Shielding > > I've seen a mechanical device used to attach the base of a small drill > press to a flat metal plate magnetically. You turn a knob and the device > sucks down so hard you can't move it, turn the knob back and it releases > completely. Does anyone know how this works or know where to find out? > These are very simple devices. The basic idea is that the flux from a permanent magnet is either directed through the magnetic base, or shorted out through a "keeper". You can pick up a magnetic base for a dial guage for about $20 if you want to take one apart and have a look. This idea has been used in a number of designs reputed to be very efficient and very probably capable of over unity opperation. They are generally known as variable reluctance alternators. The first such device I know of was patented by a fellow named John Ecklin 15 or 20 years ago. You can probably get a bunch of info doing a US patent search under his name. -Rob Polley From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 11 15:36:06 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA16031; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110321.XAA24555@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1141 From: "David Rosignoli" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: High Voltage - Electrostatic propulsion. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Not sure of the originator ( discoverer )?? of the effect, but I > have demonstrated the "High voltage - lift effect" a number of times, I used > a lightweight > (Balsa-wood) frame covered in Aluminium foil, at as many "edge" surfaces as > possible, you "fray" or cut the alfoil into thin strips ( so you have lots > of effective "surface area", attached the "device" via a very lightweight > cable (or graphite impregnated cotton) to a source of H.V D.C ( you CAN use > an auto ignition coil and pulser circuit), once power is applied the device > will show a small degree of vertical movement. This sounds more like an ion wind phenomenon. The fact that you have "as many edge surfaces as possible" indicates you are trying to achieve a lot of high voltage gradients. This is very conducive to ion formation. Major DeSeversky's ionocraft work on the same principle. However, supposedly Brown's capacitor should work even if it is a smooth parallel plate capacitor. Then again, maybe it doesn't work at all. David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 11 15:38:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA16699; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19@startech.win.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1142 From: scott@startech.win.net (J. Scott Wetherell) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cloud Buster X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >If somebody can dig up some construction plans for a cloud buster I'll stick >them up on my Australian Mall. > >Jim Francis >Australian Lateral Concepts >http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking > I don't have any plans but some information as to construction. I've heard the pipes should be 3 inches in Diameter and approx 10ft. long. The group of pipes were mounted on a gimbal or some sort of tripod device for manuevering. To the ends of the pipes are attached flexible conduit which is run to the fresh water suppy. I think I've seen a Kate Bush album cover which shows a device; and this may be on a home page. In this device the bundle of pipes were separated from each other by a few inches. There are many other configurations of conical and cylindrical devices, and they are rotated-offset at various rates to 'Stir' the Ethers. Be careful with any such device as it seems the energy can become Amplified/stored-up in a local area and become of a negative nature. What is most interesting is that no device at all is needed for some cloudbusting. Staring at a cloud with the intent to disolve it will do so at varying degrees for various types of clouds. I believe this is a caused by the quantum theorys concerning the uncertainty principle or that the act of observing an atom may have an effect upon it's precise location/time or energy state. And that the eye/brain must be a quantum interference device. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 11 15:38:55 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA15295; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606102018.AA00468@student.utwente.nl> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1143 From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >> What is the Biefeld-Brown effect? Since I first saw schematics about the Brown-effect, I've been wondering if it isn't just plain and simple magnetism that plays a role here. I know, the capacitor doesn't make the closed electrical circuit, in order to make an electrical current flow. But when charging the capacitor or when it arcs (sparks) there certainly are electrical currents that create a magnetic field. Since there is always an other magnetic-field present (that of Earth) it will excert a force on the circuit (and the capacitor). I've never tried to build a "Bifield Brown-device", but does anyone know if my idea could have some truth or that it already has been proven to be false? Timothy van der Linden (T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl) From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 11 15:48:21 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA17457; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31bd0f02.23706412@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1144 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:08:05 -0700 (PDT), Brian wrote: >[snip] >> If anyone can put me in touch with a supercarb builder, PLEASE DO!!! >> >[snip] >Check out the URL in my sig. > "Sorry about that chief. Try it now." Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.inett.com/himac Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 13:58:15 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08083; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606120151.VAA17360@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1145 From: "David Rosignoli" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Since I first saw schematics about the Brown-effect, I've been wondering if > it isn't just plain and simple magnetism that plays a role here. > I know, the capacitor doesn't make the closed electrical circuit, in order > to make an electrical current flow. But when charging the capacitor or when > it arcs (sparks) there certainly are electrical currents that create a > magnetic field. Since there is always an other magnetic-field present (that > of Earth) it will excert a force on the circuit (and the capacitor). > > I've never tried to build a "Bifield Brown-device", but does anyone know if > my idea could have some truth or that it already has been proven to be false? The idea that the Brown effect is due to some magnetostatic interaction with something else cannot be ruled out. However, the earth's magnetic field is only in milligauss. The effect the earth would have on the capacitor is negligible. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 14:08:34 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA09440; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606120534.PAA27939@peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1146 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cloud Buster X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >>If somebody can dig up some construction plans for a cloud buster I'll stick >>them up on my Australian Mall. >> >>Jim Francis >>Australian Lateral Concepts >>http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking >> > >I don't have any plans but some information as to construction. > >I've heard the pipes should be 3 inches in Diameter and approx >10ft. long. The group of pipes were mounted on a gimbal or some >sort of tripod device for manuevering. To the ends of the pipes >are attached flexible conduit which is run to the fresh water suppy. > >I think I've seen a Kate Bush album cover which shows a device; and >this may be on a home page. In this device the bundle of pipes were >separated from each other by a few inches. > >There are many other configurations of conical and cylindrical >devices, and they are rotated-offset at various rates to 'Stir' >the Ethers. > >Be careful with any such device as it seems the energy can become >Amplified/stored-up in a local area and become of a negative >nature. > >What is most interesting is that no device at all is needed for >some cloudbusting. Staring at a cloud with the intent to disolve it >will do so at varying degrees for various types of clouds. I >believe this is a caused by the quantum theorys concerning the >uncertainty principle or that the act of observing an atom may have >an effect upon it's precise location/time or energy state. And that >the eye/brain must be a quantum interference device. > > Ok thanks...but I need fully prepared plans for the mall. Someone somewhere must have some... Jim http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 14:13:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10295; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1147 From: The Science Club To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Friends, I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who id afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I have been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running around the same track. I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. It seems to me that with that as a starting point we might come up with a more creative treatment the the medical establisments current tecnique of just watching them die. If you have any ideas on this I would love to hear from you. Remember that this thing kills so any idea no matter how farfetched is worth consideration. Thanks Jim Burrows PS It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. **************************************************************************** Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs Seattle, WA From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 14:14:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11191; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19960612.092441.7399.0.DanWillett@juno.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1148 From: danwillett@juno.com (Dan P Willett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: How to get off this list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to - - - listproc@eskimo.com Send messages to - - - - - - - - - - - - - - freenrg-L@eskimo.com OK, for those fine people who wish to get off of this mailing list, this is my understanding of how to do it: Send a message as per the following: To: listproc@eskimo.com Subject: unsubscribe freenrg-l Message: unsubscribe freenrg-l Note, in the above, the last letter is a lower case L :-) I hope this helps all you fine people, I don't want to see your frustrated messages any more than you want to read this list. Later... Dan From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 14:23:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA12347; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1149 From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: With all this talk of super carbureators, I have gotten thinking. The secret is to vaporize liquid...there are several ways to achieve this. The most obvious is to boil it using heat, usually from the exhaust. But, once I started reading the literature on the subject, I found that converted engines frequently run cooler, so there may not be enough waste heat to maintain the vapor production. The other obvious way is to use a vacuum. Since the engine produces vacuum anyway, this makes sense. However, I wonder what kind of vacuum I would have to produce to vaporize enough gas at ambient temperature. Let's assume a worst case scenario of 0 degrees C (I live in Dallas...it doesn't get terribly cold here). Does anyone have this kind of information available? Since gasoline is a mixture of many different molecules, which changes due to the season and the manufacturer, I realize that this will not be an exact number...but I could use a starting point for an experiment. Now, I am thinking of a spherical vaporization chamber...the inherent strength of a sphere is attractive. I've heard of other experiments along these lines, and their chambers frequently implode from the vacuum...I don't want this to happen. I'm thinking of including a pressure regulator valve, to keep the internal pressure within a certain range...low enough to cause vaporization, high enough to avoid damage to the chamber. Also, if I'm barking up the wrong tree, please feel free to tell me... I don't want to waste time on a "wild goose chase." But, based on what I've read, I don't think I am. -- Chuck Knight From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 14:23:32 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11842; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1996Jun12.093709.1464.179638@SMTP.tc.gc.ca> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1150 From: DEBRUYP@tc.gc.ca (MS/AFC01/DEBRUYP) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_19263778==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Thanks... debruyp@tc.gc.ca ---------- From: FREENRGLES Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 6:47 PM To: DEBRUYP Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental >> What is the Biefeld-Brown effect? Since I first saw schematics about the Brown-effect, I've been wondering if it isn't just plain and simple magnetism that plays a role here. I know, the capacitor doesn't make the closed electrical circuit, in order to make an electrical current flow. But when charging the capacitor or when it arcs (sparks) there certainly are electrical currents that create a magnetic field. Since there is always an other magnetic-field present (that of Earth) it will excert a force on the circuit (and the capacitor). I've never tried to build a "Bifield Brown-device", but does anyone know if my idea could have some truth or that it already has been proven to be false? Timothy van der Linden (T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl) <> --=====================_19263778==_ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="WINMAIL.DAT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiANAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAQABAAEEgAEAKAAAAFJFOiBCaWVmZWxkLUJyb3du IGVmZmVjdDogZXhwZXJpbWVudGFsIADmDQEFgAMADgAAAMwHBgAMAAkAHwAeAAMALgEBIIADAA4A AADMBwYADAAJABwAEAADAB0BAQmAAQAhAAAAQkM3MTA4RkEzMkM0Q0YxMUEzMEEwMEFBMDBCNEU1 NEYANAcBA5AGAMgFAAAQAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAQAAAAsAKQABAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAYAjV dmNYuwEeAHAAAQAAACgAAABSRTogQmllZmVsZC1Ccm93biBlZmZlY3Q6IGV4cGVyaW1lbnRhbCAA AgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbtYY3bL+ghxvcQyEc+jCgCqALTlTwAAAwAGECMDx60DAAcQwwMAAB4ACBAB AAAAZQAAAFdPVUxEWU9VSEFWRUFOWVBMQU5TRk9SQVNJTVBMRURFVklDRVdISUNIQ09VTERTSE9X VEhFQklFRklFTEQtQlJPV05FRkZFQ1Q/QUxTTyxJVkVCRUVOVFJZSU5HVE9ESUdVUEkAAAAAAgEJ EAEAAABxBAAAbQQAAKgHAABMWkZ1ignp3P8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAG wwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMzdwLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdk78RYPMjU1AoAKgQ2xC2DgbmcxMDMU UAsKFFElC/JjAEAgVwhgbGQUIHkIYCARgHZlIHkAcHkgC1EGMQIQBcBhOiAAkG0LUBvADbB2aZJj G8B3aB2AaCAFoJEbEnNobwfgdGgbwJpCCJBmCJAbIC1CA2BOdwOgDcEFkHQ/CoVBgGxzbywgSScb saZiCeEewHJ5C4BnHsCKbx1AaSIwdXAgC4DTHIEAwHRpAiAgI4Eek2siYADAaxvBIAhQGyFG5nUA kCOBYXAKsSNQJSA9HbBpHtAIYAVACkBja/4uJuAb4QIgG8AmYh7RFhDTG4Qe0mJhAJBjBCAe0f8c AB4kE+ALcAMgB4AgZgqF4lQRgG5rcybhCoUsOwENsGJydXlwQHTIYy5nLaBjYSpsCosgbGkxODAC 0WkteDE0NA3wDNAwYwtZMZ42CqADYBPQIEAgLTKHrwqHMTsMMDIGRgNhOjOOBzIGDIIlAFJFRU5S 8EdMRVMzLzQ9BmACMAs1bzZ7VApQc2RheUkhIEp1J1ExMSEgMQA5OTYgNjo0N5ggUE037zQ9VG86 LwE2e0RFQlJVWVDjPe84/nViaiAxQA82ezxSZUTAHxIfbkTAZXh+cAZxB4ACMAdALn8vhDOeNjEH GkUyBipsPj4a4L8RgAVABAAexx9vKmxTC4A1HZFJHHBpEaAFQHNh/wfgBPAe4CNCKPEBoCeFHwDt TnItIAQhKncCIASBIhJPBpAKhSYwTWFuJwVAan8lIAVAC1Mb0R5hHPQAwGfzJ1AjYHNtHsFNQQtR E7A/HLEDYB0hJ9IrxlBwa27fHqAhIB7SLfAKsGMmMAWx/GRvB5BVgiRTWiMVoBGwfymxHSAgQAUQ LfADIFqgcvxjdSYwISBWQQWwBIEKhf8kJx/hXJkIcBYQAjAccBWgfHcuHwAmcR3AIbERcmd/IhNa OwWxYTJUyArAKPEo9nMKsSuAKSe1HZAAIAtx3mwcAArAG8Bfb3QpAk1BvQUAZSNQG8EKhVclY1CB v04hYNBQFCfETXEHQHdYM/cjkSfCaJctH0McEBYQEbANYGEoV8IKhW9mIEXfCsAe0GTAVTED8GwD IEhA/2VCHLEcgR2RI4FaI11EZED7VnJaKykrxlk2IVInUBuw716RCIFw8SJgYl1wGyEcwN4iHxBs JFKEHVQiISB0IL8FQFsCG9InQlnCVJhtHAD+aQ2wHMAeJBuTIQAHgCHRXyZwHgAFsVfDY9JsZ8Fk /xwAEYAEICGTMgEbsCHBdAH9G8BmB0ARsCpdKtYHcGsxzRwAdgORBIEgTAuADbABA6AoVC5MLkcu V36hBIF/JEATwHV/UXS6LiZwdznxWRBloCkKhRg8PEYDEEaxSEVBwUHgUi5UWFRM8CvWL0mPSp9L rBUxAIdwAAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAgAAAEAABzDA54YDY1i7AUAACDDA54YDY1i7AR4APQABAAAA BQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAzLU= --=====================_19263778==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" --=====================_19263778==_-- From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 16:04:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01813; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606122207.IAA27723@peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1151 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Where'd Ya'll Go? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > Hey! > > Has the list been really slow lately, or have I been deleted from the >list? I haven't recieved a post in a few days! > > -Brian > > QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu > > Same here Brian Jim http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 12 16:04:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01971; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1152 From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: your mail X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >I would like to get off of this list also. Is there anyone who knows how >that could give me a hand? > >>Same here! >> >>Unsubscribe freenrg-1 >> >>Get me off this damn group! >> >>How do I get off? >> >>Maybe if everyone who wants off starts spamming it they might pay attention. >> >>At 06:32 PM 6/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >>> >>>On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Chris Lloyd wrote: >>> >>>> HOW THE HELL DO I GET OFF THIS >>>>LIST????????????????????????????????????????? >>>> >>>> I have sent the unsubscribe freenrg-l 5 times and still get mail???? >>>>HELP!!!! >>> >>>I still get mail too ! >>>I have sent several 'unsubscribe' msg, no result. >>> There is no way off this list......we will all be together into eternity.... But, never fear, stop by and visit me......in the twilight zone.... Rod Serling From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:23:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA19318; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606122255.RAA04952@bluestem.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1154 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >With all this talk of super carbureators, I have gotten thinking. The >secret is to vaporize liquid...there are several ways to achieve this. >The most obvious is to boil it using heat, usually from the exhaust. >But, once I started reading the literature on the subject, I found that >converted engines frequently run cooler, so there may not be enough waste >heat to maintain the vapor production. > There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which heats the fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't been able to find the patent or info on it. Does anyone out there know? Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:30:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA20738; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606122256.RAA05229@bluestem.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1155 From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Where'd Ya'll Go? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > > Hey! > > Has the list been really slow lately, or have I been deleted from the >list? I haven't recieved a post in a few days! > > -Brian > I think it's just been slow. And the "dog days" of summer aren't even here yet! Zack From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:38:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21111; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1156 From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Where'd Ya'll Go? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Has the list been really slow lately, or have I been deleted from the > list? I haven't recieved a post in a few days! Hi again, Brian. I think it's just been a little slow... But I received your mail, so you *must* still be subscribed. -- Chuck Knight From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:42:38 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22659; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606131038.AA18491@student.utwente.nl> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1157 From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >The idea that the Brown effect is due to some magnetostatic >interaction with something else cannot be ruled out. However, the >earth's magnetic field is only in milligauss. The effect the earth >would have on the capacitor is negligible. Yes a few hundred milligauss, but how big is the force that is excerted? If it is in the order of micro Newtons, this theory may have some truth. Timothy From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:45:34 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA23123; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606131038.AA18523@student.utwente.nl> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1158 From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Someone (DEBRUYP) sent a reply to me: >--=====================_19263778==_ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > >Thanks... > debruyp@tc.gc.ca >--=====================_19263778==_ >Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="WINMAIL.DAT" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > >eJ8+IiANAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy >b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAQABAAEEgAEAKAAAAFJFOiBCaWVmZWxkLUJyb3du >IGVmZmVjdDogZXhwZXJpbWVudGFsIADmDQEFgAMADgAAAMwHBgAMAAkAHwAeAAMALgEBIIADAA4A I've no programs that can decode "base64" format, since I haven't the faintest idea what the contents could be, I'd like to ask you to resent it in "BinHex", "Mime" or "UUencode" format. Timothy From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:47:17 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA23693; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1996Jun13.092429.1464.181249@SMTP.tc.gc.ca> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1159 From: DEBRUYP@SMTP.tc.gc.ca (MS/AFC01/DEBRUYP) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Read: RE: Biefeld-Brown effect: experime X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_19263778==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" And Sent On: 1996-06-12 17:50 Was Read At: 1996-06-13 09:18 Priority: C ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --=====================_19263778==_ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="WINMAIL.DAT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiYNAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAIAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5SZWFkIFJlY2VpcHQAAwsBDYAEAAIAAAABAAEAAQqAAQAhAAAAQkM3MTA4RkEz MkM0Q0YxMUEzMEEwMEFBMDBCNEU1NEYANAcBBIABAC0AAABSZWFkOiBSRTogQmllZmVsZC1Ccm93 biBlZmZlY3Q6IGV4cGVyaW1lbnRhbACcDwEFgAMADgAAAMwHBgANAAkAEgAhAAQAJgEBIIADAA4A AADMBwYADQAJABIAIQAEACYBAQmAAQAhAAAAQTkwMUIxMDZGQ0M0Q0YxMUEzMEEwMEFBMDBCNEU1 NEYAMAcBA5AGAAgCAAARAAAAAwAmAAEAAABAADIAIAsh0ipZuwFAADkAANQx0ipZuwECAUMAAQAA AEwAAAAAAAAAAGCUZGBBuAEIACsriikAACEOAABkABoALwAdAAAAAgBGUkVFTlJHTEVTAEVYVEVS TkFML0lOVEVSTkVUL0ZSRUVOUkdMRVMAHgBEAAEAAAALAAAARlJFRU5SR0xFUwAAHgBJAAEAAAAn AAAAUkU6IEJpZWZlbGQtQnJvd24gZWZmZWN0OiBleHBlcmltZW50YWwAAAIBTAABAAAATAAAAAAA AAAAYJRkYEG4AQgAKyuKKQAAIQ4AAGQAGgAvAB0AAAACAEZSRUVOUkdMRVMARVhURVJOQUwvSU5U RVJORVQvRlJFRU5SR0xFUwAeAE0AAQAAAAsAAABGUkVFTlJHTEVTAABAAE4AAPR9GqlYuwFAAFUA AIU4PqlYuwEeAHAAAQAAACgAAABSRTogQmllZmVsZC1Ccm93biBlZmZlY3Q6IGV4cGVyaW1lbnRh bCAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbtYY3bL+ghxvcQyEc+jCgCqALTlTwAAHgB0AAEAAAAIAAAAREVCUlVZ UAAeAAEQAQAAABUAAABNZXNzYWdlIHdhcyByZWFkIG9uOgAAAABAAAcwIAsh0ipZuwFAAAgwIAsh 0ipZuwEeAD0AAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAzGw= --=====================_19263778==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" --=====================_19263778==_-- From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:47:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22133; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606130303.NAA20129@clothes.peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1160 From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: your mail X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >>I would like to get off of this list also. Is there anyone who knows how >>that could give me a hand? >> >>>Same here! >>> >>>Unsubscribe freenrg-1 >>> >>>Get me off this damn group! >>> >>>How do I get off? >>> >>>Maybe if everyone who wants off starts spamming it they might pay attention. >>> >>>At 06:32 PM 6/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>> >>>>On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Chris Lloyd wrote: >>>> >>>>> HOW THE HELL DO I GET OFF THIS >>>>>LIST????????????????????????????????????????? >>>>> >>>>> I have sent the unsubscribe freenrg-l 5 times and still get mail???? >>>>>HELP!!!! >>>> >>>>I still get mail too ! >>>>I have sent several 'unsubscribe' msg, no result. >>>> > >There is no way off this list......we will all be together into eternity.... >But, never fear, stop by and visit me......in the twilight zone.... > >Rod Serling > Sorry to tell you this guys...but I've just remote viewed this list.. you're all locked in forever! (Or maybe longer!) Jim From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:53:29 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA24959; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <"4692 Thu Jun 13 14:39:04 1996"@bnr.ca> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1161 From: "gene (g.) batten" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In message "Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7", you write: > Friends, > I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who is > afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I am sorry to hear this. At what stage is he now? >I have > been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running > around the same track. What have you learned about MS so far? What do you mean "running around the same track"? >I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman > with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. Have you verified this? Things are sometimes "exagerated" in the media. > > Jim Burrows > PS > It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a > wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. > > **************************************************************************** > Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB > sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs > Seattle, WA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As you probably know, experimenting with unproven methods may (probably will) do more harm than good. If your friend still has some "quality of life" then subjecting him to electrical shock treatment may shorten the "quality" time he has left. Another question to consider is whether the lightning bolt was the source of the "cure" for the lady. There is a shool of thought that says we all choose our life course before we come to this earth so we can develop our souls while we are here. This may be your friends "course". If you are into "exotic" cures, try looking into the Edgar Cacey (spelling?) literature. He gave many unusual but effective cures. There may be something in there for MS. Good luck with your quest. There is one think for sure. Your friend has at leat one good friend (you). Regards, Gene Batten mdleb@nortel.ca From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 13 15:56:45 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA24334; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606132127.VAA29715@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1162 From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: For what it might be worth, some suggestions regarding multiple sclerosis: It seems to be a blockage of the neurotransmitters. Alluminium poisoning (accumulation of alluminium in the organism) has been associated with blockage of neurotransmitters and may be (one of?) the mechanisms causing it. There is a possibility of helping neurotransmitter activity with nutrients, of keeping inflammation down, but no real cures. The case of lightning strike is very interesting, and could point towards a way of re-opening the channels of flow of neurotransmission by strong electric current (??) or shock (??). Who knows that something like near electrocution or an extreme shock could not help? For the record, I am *against* electric shock treatment as advocated by psychiatry for some mental disorders, nor would I like to be a guinea pig for such a rough method of treatment. Regards - Josef >Friends, >I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who id >afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I have >been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running >around the same track. I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman >with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. It seems to me >that with that as a starting point we might come up with a more creative >treatment the the medical establisments current tecnique of just watching >them die. If you have any ideas on this I would love to hear from you. >Remember that this thing kills so any idea no matter how farfetched is >worth consideration. Thanks > >Jim Burrows >PS >It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a >wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. > >**************************************************************************** >Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB >sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs >Seattle, WA Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it check out my home page: www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 04:30:14 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA03479; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606140043.RAA21836@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1164 From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Muller Dynamo Bulletin #3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear All Of You Who Have Expressed Interest: After a very interesting trip to Houston to evaluate an energy related technology, which I will share in a separate posting, I am back in the computer saddle with Muller. I thought I had Muller talked into configuring his test dynamo setup to feed the output into the input to permit free run of the unit so that diehard skeptics who don't want to be deceived by measuring technology, such as Eisenson, would see unambiguous o/u right in front of their eyes. Muller then thought about it while I was gone and has decided that he does not want to undertake doing that. The reasons he cites: (1) What he has setup in his lab does in fact work and it took a lot of work to get it to work. (2) Any sort of test devices can be plugged in to record an over unity energy gain of approximately 2:1 (3) This should be enough to convince professionals that it is worth investing $350,000 into a commercial prototype, which should theoretically approach 10:1 o/u. (4) Rejigging the test model involves time, money, and risk of burning out his SRC's, which, because they are expensive for a mature man on a pension, he just doesn't want to fool with. He does not want to change a single thing in his existing proof of concept. (5) He will provide complete access to tire-kickers, nothing will be hidden, and any type of non-destructive testing and monitoring with any type of commercial or profesional equipment, as long as it is electrically and mechanically sound (poses no circuit risks), will be permitted. I might add that Muller loves to explain his concepts, so testers and tire-kickers will also get an intensive running seminar on the nature of magnetics, motors, generators, and what and why they are seeing what they are seeing. Muller is very much an engineer, not a promoter, and frankly it is difficult to keep up with his technical "download". I am not happy personally with his reluctance to risk a little more work, money, and time. But that is the way it is. Muller believes that doubting Thomases should remain so. He is only interested in interacting and proving himself with people who have enough grasp of the concepts of electricity and magnetism that the existing test model, with proper measurement, is sufficient to evoke a scientific AHA experience. He believes that such people exist, will come, and will provide the recommendations/energy/money for the next stage. Two different parties are scheduling to visit Muller during the week of June 24-30 in Penticton, British Columbia. I will know the exact dates next week. If anybody else in Vortex and/or Free Energy land desires to see Muller's demonstration and conduct a serious test of the device, this is an excellent opportunity to do so. Testers are free to use the information they gain in any manner they choose, except that circuit diagrams and silicon specifications are considered top secret at this point. Photographs are permissable, except for the silicon breadboards. Any of you who would like to pursue this further, please email me. If you are in the Seattle area, hint hint, Bill B, an entourage could be put together to visit Muller's lab... ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 04:34:27 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA03815; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19960613.221401.7023.1.DanWillett@juno.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1165 From: danwillett@juno.com (Dan P Willett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [freenrg-L] ISE Engine via Microwave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Ok, what I was wondering, does anybody here know anything about the Internal Steam Engine energized by Microwave? The basic concept is to take an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) take out the spark plugs, replace them with Magnatrons (Microwave Generators) and feed it water instead of GAS. (there are also a couple of other details I didn't go into, but that is the basic concept) So, does anybody know about it? Has anybody here converted an ICE to ISE? From the paper I read describing exactly how to do it, and what was needed, it seems fairly straight forward to me. (I plan to do it as soon and I have the time/money) From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 04:37:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA04358; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1166 From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >With all this talk of super carbureators, I have gotten thinking. The > There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which heats the > fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't been able to find > the patent or info on it. > > Does anyone out there know? Here's an excerpt from the book "The Secret of the 100 mpg Carbureator." This information is available at http://www.inett.com/himac -- Chuck Knight P.S. This file is the reason why I'm concerned that there will not be enough *heat* to vaporize the gasoline...check out the "optimum operating temperatures" in the file. And, for reference, gasoline boils at standard pressure at nearly 400 degrees. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Pogue Carburetor: PATENT 1938497 DECEMBER 5, 1933 C.N Pogue "...I have found that in such a carburetor a relatively large amount of the atomized liquid fuel is not vaporized and enters the engine cylinder in the form of microscopic droplets. When such a charge is 'fired' in the engine cylinder only that portion of the liquid fuel which has been converted into the vaporous and consequently the modular state, combines with the air to give an explosive mixture. The remaining portion of the liquid fuel which is drawn into the engine and thereby impart power to the engine, but burns with a flame and raises the temperature of the engine above that at which the engine operates most efficiently, ie. from 160 degrees to 180 degrees F. According to this invention a carburetor for internal combustion engines is provided in which substantially all of the liquid fuel entering the engine cylinder will be in the vapor phase and consequently capable of combining with the air to form a mixture which will explode and impart a maximum amount of power to the engine, and which will not burn and unduly raise the temperature of the engine." If you have been following closely, you will realize that this old patent has stated what some of the latest technical reports only recently disclosed. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 04:37:23 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA04130; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606140234.WAA09503@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1167 From: "David Rosignoli" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental data??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >The idea that the Brown effect is due to some magnetostatic > >interaction with something else cannot be ruled out. However, the > >earth's magnetic field is only in milligauss. The effect the earth > >would have on the capacitor is negligible. > > Yes a few hundred milligauss, but how big is the force that is excerted? If > it is in the order of micro Newtons, this theory may have some truth. > The Veritay report recorded forces in, I believe, either micro- or nano- Newtons. However, the reports in the past of the Brown effect have often refered to forces strong enough to cause the capacitor to either decrease in weight (my guess the sample was pretty heavy, but I have no numbers), or to literally move the capacitor. The bottom line is that more experimentation and documentation has to be done. David Rosignoli drdaveor@enter.net From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 10:31:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10381; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31c12c64.13000075@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1168 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Zack Widup wrote: >There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which heats the >fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't been able to find >the patent or info on it. > >Does anyone out there know? PATENT 1938497 DECEMBER 5, 1933 C.N Pogue > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.inett.com/himac Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 10:42:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10776; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31c12f9b.13823071@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1169 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:46:08 -0700 (PDT), Josef Hasslberger wrote: >For what it might be worth, some suggestions regarding multiple sclerosis: >It seems to be a blockage of the neurotransmitters. Alluminium poisoning >(accumulation of alluminium in the organism) has been associated with >blockage of neurotransmitters and may be (one of?) the mechanisms causing >it. > Last I heard the association with aluminium was a mistake. Apparently the dye used to stain the slides contained Aluminium, and this lead to the mistaken conclusion that the brain tissue was the source. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.inett.com/himac Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 10:47:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11023; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31c12da3.13319190@mail.netspace.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1170 From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Timothy van der Linden wrote: >I've no programs that can decode "base64" format, since I haven't the >faintest idea what the contents could be, I'd like to ask you to resent it >in "BinHex", "Mime" or "UUencode" format. > >Timothy > > Timothy, Mime uses base64 encoding. If your mailer doesn't recognize the text, then I recommend that you get hold of a program called wincode. This will decode "raw" base64 (i.e. just the jumbled text.). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.inett.com/himac Man is the creature that comes into this world knowing everything, Learns all his life, And leaves knowing nothing. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 20:51:55 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00237; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19960614.162151.18199.0.DanWillett@juno.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1171 From: danwillett@juno.com (Dan P Willett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) writes: >On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:46:08 -0700 (PDT), Josef Hasslberger wrote: >For what it might be worth, some suggestions regarding multiple sclerosis: >It seems to be a blockage of the neurotransmitters. Alluminium poisoning >(accumulation of alluminium in the organism) has been associated with >blockage of neurotransmitters and may be (one of?) the mechanisms causing >it. > | Last I heard the association with aluminium was a mistake. Apparently | the dye used to stain the slides contained Aluminium, and this lead to | the mistaken conclusion that the brain tissue was the source. Yes, I believe that is true, you may not be aware however, that recently, a direct link was found between Alzheimers disease and the mercury in Dental Amagrams. Mercury poisoning may also be a contributing factor in some cases of MS. Later... Dan From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 14 20:52:11 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00560; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1172 From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Zack Widup wrote: > >>There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which heats the >>fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't been able to find >>the patent or info on it. >> >>Does anyone out there know? > >PATENT 1938497 DECEMBER 5, 1933 C.N Pogue >> >>Zack >>w9sz@prairienet.org May I suggest that Mr Pogue's PATENT 2,026,798 (Jan. 7, 1936) is also interesting in that it covers " ....... improved means are provided for maintaining the vaporous mixture in the vapor heating chamber, under a predetermined pressure, and for regulating such pressure so that it will be at the optimum for the particular conditions under which the engine is to operate." Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 04:27:41 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA03152; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1178 From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Getting off freenrg-l X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Yes, the listproc was acting screwy for a week. It ignored my commands, as well as everyone elses, and delayed freenrg-L mail for many days. It seems to be back to normal again. I've tried to unsubscribe everyone who requested it. For everyone else, please save the message below. It has the CURRENT version of instructions for subscribing/unsubscribing. 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William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 04:28:21 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA03300; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606150807.BAA11609@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1179 From: "Dennis C. Lee" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Again, I believe the Biefeld-Brown effect is a tuned phenomenon. As the story goes, we were experimenting with asymetrical electrodes under vacuum. My girl friend Veredith (who is an artist by training) intuitively produced an asymetrical electrode pair. We tried them in the vapor deposition station on feed throughs that I gerry-rigged. Low and behold, stable plasma formations developed between the electrode pairs. I believe that Veredith somehow made that electrode pair just right so that they were tuned to the other parameters of the experiment (electrode separation, vacuum level, power supply characteristics, etc.). It was almost magical that she did this by intuition. The experience of watching that plasma pattern was a profoundly glorious moment that we will never forget. Later, I tried to scale up the electrode sizes. The plasma pattern however, collapsed into little spheres that clung to the electrodes themselves. There was no plasma between the electrodes; apparently it was out of tune. In the book 'Tapping The Zero Point Energy' by Moray B. King, there is mention that the more plasma involved, the greater the effect. I wonder what the plasma looks like in the experiments that others have tried? When we get our web page together, we will digitize the photos of this experiment and put them on the page. Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 06:29 PM 6/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >Dennis - > >>>> "The Biefeld-Brown effect is reported to be noticeable at 50kv DC. To have >been limited to 19kv DC because of dielectric breakdown problems seems >amateurish to me." > >But wouldn't you think that even at 19kv there'd be something to measure on the >very sensitive equipment they claimed to use? However, if it's something so >non-linear that it doesn't even "break loose" until somewhere in the vicinity >of 50kv, then that might be. I wonder if they used straight DC? I've heard that >it doesn't show unless the voltage is varying or pulsed, but I can't remember >where, or why that information should be considered any better than any other >rumor. Every experiment I've heard of has either shown nothing, or has gotton >lost behind ionic effects or static attractions/repulsions. I don't think it's >a very easy experiment to do, and some descriptions I've read of these >experiments have the things set up in chambers shaped to be neutral or balanced >in terms of static e forces, too. > >However, I'm still going to try to take a look myself if I ever get my HV >generator finished. Darned 'real life' stuff keeps interfering. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 04:42:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA01389; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1180 From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >PATENT 1938497 DECEMBER 5, 1933 C.N Pogue > > May I suggest that Mr Pogue's PATENT 2,026,798 (Jan. 7, 1936) is also > interesting in that it covers " ....... improved means are provided for > maintaining the vaporous mixture in the vapor heating chamber, under a > predetermined pressure, and for regulating such pressure so that it will be > at the optimum for the particular conditions under which the engine is to > operate." It sounds like this patent covers my concerns...lack of heat, or at least a means to produce sufficient vapor. Do you have the text of the patent in electronic form? If so, could you post it to the list, so we can all benefit? Thanks! -- Chuck Knight chuck@sdf.lonestar.org From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 05:44:09 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA17832; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606151101.AA28089@student.utwente.nl> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1185 From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown effect: experimental X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Robin replied: >Mime uses base64 encoding. If your mailer doesn't recognize the text, >then I recommend that you get hold of a program called wincode. This >will decode "raw" base64 (i.e. just the jumbled text.). >Regards, Robin, thank you for this tip, I already had Wincode, but it was an older version which did not decode base64, I've downloaded the new version, and it works fine. The thing I have decoded looks like garbage, so whatever it is, I can't use it, also the reason for decoding it seems unclear (why decode readable text?). Sincerely Timothy From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 08:28:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA03903; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606150827.IAA07452@ns1.indirect.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1189 From: Reed Huish To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) wrote: >>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Zack Widup wrote: >> >>>There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which heats the >>>fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't been able to find >>>the patent or info on it. >>> >>>Does anyone out there know? >> While I'm not a conspiracy buff, here's a list of descriptions & patents related to high-mileage carburetors... ------------------------------------------------------------------- GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN SUPPRESSED INVENTIONS: CHRONOLOGY COPYRIGHT APRIL, 1989 by PEA RESEARCH, 105 Serra Way, Ste. 176, Milpitas, CA 95035 Version 1.06 DATE of INCIDENT REFERENCE: DESCRIPTION of INCIDENT ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unable to Date: B1-B,3 CARBURETION, MOORE The most productive in the field of carburetion was George Arlington Moore. Out of 17000 Patents, 250 of them were related to carburetion. As far back as the mid 1920’s, Moore was capable of virtually elliminating carbon monoxide pollution with his carburetors. People in the automotive field considered Moore to be a genious and couldn’t understand why the automobile industry ignored his inventions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan. 3, 1935 J1-A,1,21 CARBURETION, POGUE, Pat.#353538 (Canadian) Charles N. Pogue is issued a Canadian Patent for a High Mileage Carburetor. (see 1/7/36) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr. 9, 1935 J1-A,1,19 CARBURETION, POGUE, Pat.#1997497 Charles N. Pogue is issued a Patent for a High Mileage Carburetor. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan. 7, 1936 J1-A,1,16 CARBURETION, POGUE, Pat.#2026798 Charles N. Pogue is issued a Patent for his newer High Mileage Carburetor. Pogue used the carburetor for about ten years on his car and produced about 200 carburetors thru the Economy Carburetor Co. (see 4/30/36; 8/10/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- early 1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, POGUE BREEN MOTOR CO., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: Tests the POGUE Carburetor on a Ford V-8 Coupe and got 26.2 miles on one pint of gasoline. The performance of the car was 100% in every way. Under 10 mph the operation much smoother than a standard carburetor. T.G. Green, President of the BREEN MOTOR CO., did the tests. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr. 30,1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, FORD MOTOR CO. FORD MOTOR CO., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: Tests the POGUE Carburetor and is at “a loss to understand” how the carburetor got “25.7 miles on one pint of gasoline”! (That’s approximately 205 mpg). Mr. W.J. Holmes and Mr. Purdy conducted the test for FORD MOTOR CO. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Aug. 10,1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, POGUE S. Stockhammer tested the POGUE Carburetor on a 1934 Ford V-8 Coupe and got 28 miles per pint of gas. “I can say the performance was all anyone could desire in every shape of form.” (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec. 12, 1936 J1-A,26 CARBURETION, POGUE Canadian Automotive Magazine states that the standard carburetor gets about 25 mpg at only 9% efficiency. Therefore the POGUE carburetor is 72% efficient overall at 200 mpg. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Oct. 22, 1940 J1-A,14 CARBURETION, NEWBERY, Pat.#2218922 Ivor B. Newbery gets a Patent for a high mileage carburetor that he says delivers a truly dry vapor to the engine and produces very little, if any, exhaust pollutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1945 Carburetors marked “POGUE CARBURETOR, DO NOT OPEN” were used on unnamed source American Army tanks throughout WWII but were removed from circulation after the war ended. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- late 1950’s J1-A,1 CARBURETION, FISH/KENDIG B1-B,3 Variable Venturi The Fish/Kendig Variable Venturi carburetors get some very interesting mileage figures. The Fish carburetor even got into production on a small scale, but for some unknown reason, these carburetors fade away in the early 1960’s. (see early 1970’s) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1953 J1-A,26 CARBURETION, POGUE CARS Magazine states that in the opening months of 1936, Pogue panicked the Toronto stock exchange and threw fright into the major oil companies. Stock exchange offices & brokers were swamped with orders to dump all oil stock immediately. This same article states that Winnipeg’s largest automobile dealers tested the POGUE carburetor and got results of up to 216.8 mpg! (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid 1950’s B1-B,3 CARBURETION, BASCLE, Pat.# ? Joseph Bascle get a Patent for an improved carburetor which was used on every car in the Yellow Cab fleet in Baton Rouge, NY. It raised mileage by 25% and decreased pollution by 45%. ------------------------------------------------------------------- May 2, 1961 J1-A,12 CARBURETION, SHELTON, Pat.#2982528 Robert S. Shelton gets a Patent for a high mileage carburetor that he claims gives 8 to 10 times the mileage of a standard carburetor. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec. 26, 1966 J1-A,10 CARBURETION, SCHWARTZ, Pat.#3294381 Harold Schwartz gets a Patent for a high mileage Vaporizer Carburetor that he claims to be 100% efficient with virtually no exhaust pollutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1968 J1-A,1 CARBURETION, FORD MOTOR CO. FORD MOTOR CO. begins experiments fwith an engine that has a new kind of combustion chamber. A 430 cub. inch is tested and runs very well on a 26:1 air/gas mixture. Estimate possible production by 1985. (see 1985) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Early 1970’s B1-B,3 CARBURETION, KENDIG A young college student (name unknown), entered his Mercury “gas hog” in the California Air Pollution car race and won hands down. He was using the KENDIG Variable Venturi carburetor that a small company (name unknown), manufactured in Los Angeles for racing cars. Within a week the student was told to remove the carburetor since it wasn’t approved by the Air Resources Board (ARB). His car had reduced pollution and doubled the gas mileage (for that model). (see late 1950’s) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970’s B1-B,6 ALCOHOL The U.S. Army’s Nalick Laboratories in Massachusetts discovered and developed certain fungi which could convert a wide variety of cellulose into the sugars necessary for producing alcohol. Using the fungi to reduce paper scrap, they could produce 65 gals. of high grade alcohol from one ton of scrap. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr. 4, 1972 J1-A,6 CARBURETION, TUCKER, Pat.#3653643 Oliver M. Tucker gets a Patent for a high mileage Vaporizer Carburetion System. This is the basic type that La Pan used as mentioned in Mechanics Illustrated. (see 1974) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1973 J1-A,1 CARBURETION, SHELL OIL CO. At the Annual SHELL OIL Companies employees contest, a highly modified 1959 Opel sets the record with 376.59 mpg at Wood River, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 B1-B,3 CARBURETION, DRESSERATOR Dresser Company SELLS OUT to Holley Carburetor and FORD MOTOR CO. Lester Berriman spent 5 years designing and testing the “Dresserator” carburetor for Dresser Co. which used a super-accurate mixture control to obtain a 22:1 mixture. Pollution standards were passed along with a typical gain of 18% mpg. ------------------------------------------------------------------- May, 1974 B1-B,6 GAS/WATER ADDITIVE John Andrews, a Portugese chemist, demonstrated a water to gas additive before Navy officials which allowed ordinary water to be added to gasoline without decreasing the combustability of the gas and would drive the cost of gasoline down to 2 cents per gallon. When Navy officials finally went to his lab to negotiate for the formula, they found Andrews missing and his lab ransacked. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid 1970’s B1-B,3 CARBURETION, FRANCH, KRAFT Guido F. Franch demonstrates a water-to-gas miracle to the chemists at HAVOLINE Chemical Co., MI, and to the University of Michigan. Using a “green powder” starting agent derived from soaking coal in a liquid (unnamed), he cold make water operate a car better than gasoline. He said he learned this process from a coal miner named Alexander Kraft over 50 years before. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 J1-A,1 CARBURETION, La Pan An article from Mechanix Illustrated about “Humidifier type fuel systems” tells of a man by the name of La Pan who claims to get from 60 to 100 mpg with his system. Mechanics Illust. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1976 J1-A,1 CARBURETION A modified Ford Pinto equipped with a turbocharged Nissan diesel engine is tested and gets up to 80 mpg. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1977 J1-A,1 CARBURETION Tom Ogle of El Paso, TX, claims to have gotten 100 mpg on a 1970 Ford Galaxie with a V-8 engine. The Ford used only 2 gals. of gas on a trip from El Paso, TX, to Demming, NM, roundtrip! His Vapor Fuel System eliminates the carburetor and has no exhaust polution emission! -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1978 J1-A,1 CARBURETION The Flex Gas Vaporizer (as advertised in national magazines) and sells for a reasonable price, claims to double gas mileage on most any car and gets 110 mpg on some! ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1979 J1-A,1 CARBURETION Ralph Moody, Jr., of Oak Hill, FL, gets 84 mpg from his modified Ford Capri which has been equipped with a turbocharged 4 cylinder Perkins diesel engine. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1980 J1-A,27 CARBURETION, POGUE Mr. Arthur C. Sgrignoli, after 45 yrs., has built a legendary POGUE carburetor by hand and is said to have achieved an efficiency of 86%. Contact was made thru his brother, William J. Sgrignoli. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan. , 1981 J1-A,29 POGUE, Charles N. As of January, Charles N. Pogue is still alive at age 81 and is living in a rest home in Winnipeg, Canada. He refuses to talk to anyone or to receive visitors from outside his own family. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,29 CARBURETION, POGUE ULTRA-LEAN CARBURETORS of Northridge, CA, is selling a set of plans for the POGUE carburetor for $50. (This price is to high). (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,28-29 CARBURETION, WALLACE Allan Wallaces’ experimental carburetor gets 30 mpg at a speed of 55 mph for 60 miles. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,29 CARBURETION, SHELL MOTOR OIL CO. At SHELL MOTOR OIL Mileage Marathon, Great Britain, a new world record is set at 1368 mpg on a specially built three-wheeler with a 90cc engine using the “sprint & coast” method. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,29 CARBURETION, OGLE Tom Ogle SOLD OUT his high mileage carburetor to ADVANCE FUEL SYSTEMS of Seattle, WA, for $250,000 while still retaining 20% interest in his device that got 100 mpg on a 1970 Ford. (see 1977) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1985 J1-A,1 CARBURETION Well, the 1968 FORD MOTOR CO. high-mileage carburetor (26:1) isn’t on the market yet. I wonder what happened? (see 1968) Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 15:13:44 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22143; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1199 From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FYI: High-Tech, Bio-Chemical Warfare Effects X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: [Note: I realize this is not directly connected to free energy, but this information came my way and I thought I should pass it along to you -- especially since some of you may have friends/relatives who were involved directly or indirectly in the Gulf War. Moreover, the long-term effects of this syndrome could, in the future, affect the civilian population.] - CAPTAIN RILEY & THE GULF WAR SYNDROME - _____________________________________________________ A Lecture By Captain Joyce Riley on Gulf War Syndrome, Biological Warfare Conducted on U.S. Military Members, and Corporate Bio-Genocide Levied on the Planetary Population. This lecture occurred in Houston, Texas on Jan 15, 1996 Transcript by Leading Edge Research Group, P.O. Box 7530, Yelm, Washington 98597 With Editorial Commentary by Val Valerian. _____________________________________________________ INTRODUCTION: (Applause) Thank you so very much. I am Joyce Riley, and I am here because I love my God and I love my country, and I love my fellow man. We are going to hear a story tonight that unfortunately is the saddest story, not only of the 20th century, but of America's history. You are going to hear about the destruction of the United States military. I am sorry to have to bring you this story. I wish it wasn't true. I wish that I could protect you from what you are going to hear tonight, because it has taken me a year to investigate this story. During that time, I went through the worst depression you can imagine. I finally came to the conclusion one day that yes, our country had provided the biologicals to Saddam Hussein that were used on our troops. Our troops are sick and they are dying. My story started in 1991, when I decided to go back to the Air Force Reserve. I had been stationed in the late 1970's in New York State, and I had been involved as a flight nurse in the Air Force. I got out and was living my life, but then I heard that there was a war and that many of our men were going to die if they didn't have adequate care, and that they needed trained flight nurses. So, I decided to back into the service of my country. I went back to Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio and I volunteered to go to Saudi Arabia. As it was, I didn't go to Saudi Arabia because the cease-fire came, so I served active duty missions on a C-130 aircraft for about six months. After that, I returned back to Houston to my job, where I was a heart, lung, kidney and liver transplant nurse in Houston, Texas. I became very ill and I could get no answers. I didn't know why I was sick. No one would talk with me about it. No one would help me with it, and I had to find out the answers myself, alone. THE PROBLEM: So,I began the investigation myself to answer the question of why I was sick. I didn't even go to the Persian Gulf. They call it the Persian Gulf disease and the Persian Gulf Registry. They do that for a reason, because then they can exclude all of us who are sick who didn't go to the Persian Gulf. Well, I didn't go and I was still sick, and I wanted to know why. The only thing I had in common with those who did go is that I had received the immunizations and that I had a lot of contact with Gulf War veterans who were returning back to the states, and with other members of our unit. Little did we know at the time that the biologicals that were used were impregnated in the equipment they had, such as tents and duffle bags. It was being spread to all of us and we didn't even know it. We were being told a lie. America, I am sorry to tell you that we have been told one of the biggest lies this country has ever perpetrated upon us. They are telling us there is no Gulf War disease. They are telling us biologicals were not used. They are not even telling you that between 10,000 to 12,000 Gulf war vets have already died. I began my investigation and I went into depression the day I realized we had been lied to. I had been involved with President Bush and with the White House, because I had been involved in organ transplantation. I wrote a letter and called the White House and invited him to come to Houston with Dr. Coole to sign an organ donor card. He and Barbara did accept the invitation, and I met with them, and they signed an organ donor card. President Bush told me at the time that I appreciate what you are doing. If this had been available years ago, perhaps my daughter Robin might not have died. He told me that. Well, little did I know that during that same time they were making the poisons that were going to eventually kill us. At the end of the program I am going to play an open letter I wrote to President Bush. He lives in Houston, as do all of the players in what you are about to hear tonight. They all reside in Houston. I do believe that the Lord gave me this story to tell, because a nurse from Houston, Texas just doesn't "come across" this information -- that biological warfare has been perpetrated on the American people. I knew when heard the story that I had to move on it. I had to let American know. I would not be quiet, because you see I knew that the government was actively covering it up. What I am going to show you tonight is not opinion. It is not conjecture. It is proof. I am going to show you documentation on the overhead projector -- the evidence to support what I am saying to you. The basic fact is that biological agents were used on our troops. Chemical agents were used on our troops. Germ warfare was used on our troops -- using biologicals that were made in the United States of America. It was made in Houston, Texas and Boca Raton, Florida. It was passed through the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and through companies such as American Type Culture Collection (ATCC) in Maryland. It was passed to Saddam Hussein -- sold to Saddam Hussein, as late as 1989. Just prior to the war. The American government was involved in the provision of biological warfare (components) to Suddam Hussein. They knew exactly what they were doing. Our troops did not know what to expect, nor were they protected. We later found out that we had no adequate biological/chemical detection capability. The lies are going on and on. I released the story on a radio show on May 4, 1995 with Drs. Garth and Nancy Nicholson. ( Continued Riley #2 ) GULF WAR VETERANS INFORMATION: 1) If you have articles from the GULF WAR, such as clothing, souvenirs, etc., place them in thick plastic bags sealed away from contact by humans and animals. The microbes are expected to live up to seven years. 2) Protect your medical records. Obtain copies of military and civilian medical records for your use. If they are missing or if you are denied treatment at the V.A.., get it in writing. Do not provide them to attorneys without copies. Some attorneys who have filed class action suits are not going forward with them and are providing your information to the U.S. government. 3) We will be providing information regarding attorneys we feel can be trusted to pursue these cases in the interest of the veterans and their families. 4) We need your evidence to proceed with our investigation into the Gulf War Syndrom. If you are willing to split sand samples, etc. call (713) 587-5437. 5) The use of vitamins and minerals and herb preparations have been recommended to strengthen the immune system. If you have symptoms of GW illness, provide this information to your physician. Send us a letter documenting your illness, your attempt to get treatment from the VA Hospital or DOD. 6) Your donations are much appreciated so we may continue to notify the GW servicemen/women of the use of germ warfare. 7) Unfortunately we cannot respond to the large number of people requesting information about the Chronic Fatigue (CFIDS) at this time. We feel there is a correlation to the large recent numbers of CF patients and Dr. Nicolson will be doing controlled studies in the future. 8) Contact Dr. Nicolson's office at the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center (713) 792-7491 regarding testing for Mycoplasma incognitus. They test your blood for free (GW Vets and Families). However, your physician must make arrangements to get your blood sent to Houston. TREATMENT: There appears to be a treatment, if caught early, however it is NOT a cure for those suffereing with the Mycoplasma incognitus infection. According to the Journal of the American Medical Assn (Feb 11, 1995) the recommended treatment is Doxycycline (Tetracycline) 100 mg. two times a day for 10 days. Up to six courses of treatment have been required. For those who cannot take tetracycline, Cipro has been found to be effective. The U.S. Government and the Department of Defense actively DENY the existence of the Gulf War Disease (AP 3-96). There is overwhelming evidence to substantiate the use of biological and biochemical weapons used during the Desert Storm (Ltr to Secretary of Defense William Perry from Senator Riegle - Riegle Report dated October 9, 1994. This report can be obtained from (202) 224-7391 or FAX 5137 - Ask for Senate Hearings 103-900, 103-983, 103-984. In the Riegle Report, you will learn that about 10 to 18 different biologicals were shipped to Saddam Hussein. These biologicals were MADE IN THE USA in Texas and Florida. The Riegle Report's states that these biologicals were shipped to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. The disease(s) caused from the use of these biologicals are COMMUNICABLE and affecting not only the Gulf War Veterans but the spouses and children. A very high number of miscarriages and congenitally deformed children are being reported. There are immense political and criminal implications as it has been illegal under the Geneva Convention Regularions of 1972 to make, experiment with, distribute or sell germ warfare!!!! Just because you did not serve in the Gulf War, does not mean you cannot get the disease. It is communicable to the general population and can be transmitted via sex and perspiration as it is airborne. Animals can be carriers. This is not a story of the PAST but one that will haunt us into the FUTURE. The presenting symptoms are: chronic fatigue, night sweats, severe joint pains, shortness of breath, vision and hearing problems, rashes, benign and malignant rumor growths, and neurological problems leading to paralysis and DEATH. AFFIDAVITS NEEDED: If you served in Desert Shield/Desert Storm and have information regarding biologicals use, please complete a written affidavit or statement with the information you have. Keep the original in a safe place and send AGWVA a copy for your protection. If you served in DS/DS active duty or Reservist and are SICK - please write your story and send it to AGWVA. We need to know where you were, what you saw, what immunications you (think) you received along with what Scud activity you were exposed to. We do not say this lightly - your life and the lives of your loved ones are at stake. Approximately 12,000 have died and around 200,000 are sick. We must stand together and demand the antidote and answers from those who had knowledge of this horrendous insult to mankind. WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW THAT YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GULF WAR SYNDROME? Contact your local media and challenge them to tell the TRUTH about the GW Syndrome . Tell them to call (713) 438-1699. AGWVA needs your financial support. Write to your Congressmen/women and Senators and demand an accounting of the truth behind the Gulf War. America's ugly secret is OUT. WE WILL NOT BE SILENT. Joyce Riley. R.N., BSN Captain (USAF Inactive Reserve) American Gulf War Veterans Association 3506 Highway 6 South, Sugarland, TX 77478-4401 Ph (713) 438-1699 FAX 4581 VMsg 587-5437 Nursetalk Radio G7 Transponder 14 Subaudio 7.57 Saturday 3-4 CST From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 17:37:47 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA07543; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606160025.RAA06194@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1202 From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On 13 Jun 96 freenrg-l said to paula@southconn.com >>With all this talk of super carburetors, I have gotten thinking. >>The secret is to vaporize liquid...there are several ways to >There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which >heats the fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't >been able to find the patent or info on it. >Does anyone out there know? >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org While cruising the we yesterday came across this address "http://www.inet.com/himac/" look in the document about his supercarb he has links to explanations of other carbs, including the pogue.... hope this helps....steve steve&paula opelc....paula@southconn.com `[1;35;44mNet-Tamer V 1.04 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 15 22:57:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA21129; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1205 From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Solar engine that's practical? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I transcribed this from an old Popular Science article. It deals with a technology that actually looks do-able, today... It's even low-cost! It's for a solar engine which runs on a difference in temperature...this difference is supplied by a solar water heater in the prototype, but could be supplied by any source of heat...solar or not. (Patterson cold fusion cells generate excess heat, don't they?) Here's a quick explanation of how it works...remember those "boil in your hand and the liquid goes to the top" toys in all the science shops? Well, picture a big one, on an axle. When the liquid is forced to the top, it becomes top heavy...and wants to swing down. Of course, in the bottom is a vat of "hot" water, which causes the cycle to repeat again. Mount a few of these on an axle, and you get rotary power...low rpm, high torque. One tiny problem...the inventor used freon in the invention, because it's ideal for anything requiring a phase change...but anything with a low boiling point should work. Alcohol, perhaps... Anyway, here's the text of the article...there's a graphic, too, which I'll send up to Bill Beaty, for the web site. Why tie up the listserv with uuencoded files? Enjoy... -- Chuck Knight --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wally Minto's Wonder Wheel by E. F. Lindsley Popular Science, March 1976 Wally Minto's eyes twinkled. "Now that you've got your pictures of the serious stuff, I want to show you our latest engine. It's at least 85% effecient, never wears out, requires no fuel or maintenance, costs very little, and should have been invented 100 years ago." I'd just finished shooting pictures os Minto's solar-powered, Freon engine/generator set (P.S. Feb 1976) and I wasn't quite sure if he was kidding about this newest engine. Four used propane bottles were hose-clamped to the ends of two pieces of aluminum angle, each about four feet long. The angles crossed at 90 degrees at the center and were mounted on a central hub like a skinny four-blade windmill with bottles to swing in the breeze. Each bottle was connected to its mate on the opposite end of the angle with steel brake-line tubing. Under the rig's support was a tank of the type used to locate leaks in an inner tube. While I gazed in disbelief, Wally explained how his incredible power wheel works (see diagram above) . A few weeks later I again visited the Kinetics lab. By then the propane bottles had evolved into 12 containers of steel pipe welded into a polygon. The principle remained the same. I watched as Wally opened the valve to let in a trickle of water from solar panels on the roof of his parking shed. The water temperature was 155 degrees F. Almost imperceptibly, the wheel started to turn. The speed picked up a bit and I timed a revolution -- about one rpm. Minto noted my misgivings. "Try holding onto the shaft," he said. I grabbed the shaft firmly -- it was if I'd tried to stop some eerie, irresistible force: no sound, no evidence of power, just pure twist. "Picture one 200 feet in diameter," he said. This time my mind boggled. Such a rig might hoist the pyramids. Wally doesn't expect industrialized nations to scramble for his wheel, and he isn't selling anything. He's donating it as a "gift to the world" and expects it will be used in underdeveloped, energy short areas. For example, a practical 33 ft. diameter wheel running on a temperature difference of as little as 3.5 degrees F and producing several horsepower could pump irrigation water, grind grain, or saw wood. The materials could be scrap pipe, and no machining or skills are needed to build it. Several low-boiling materials might be used, but propane or R-12 may be best. Minto estimates a slightly larger (40 ft.) wheel with 14 pairs of one-ft. by 4.5 ft. containers would provide 10,240 ft/lb of work per container as each 269 lb of liquid responds to gravity through a 20 ft level arm. At only one rpm this is 8.69 hp; not spectacular, but low cost and capable of running steadily for generations. The slow rotational speed can be stepped up to whatever is needed, just as with the old-time waterwheels. No fuel would be needed in many cases. The temperature difference required between the liquid on the bottom and the top occurs naturally in many situations: water and air, light and shade, etc. Minto has outlined construction details in a two-sheet paper entitled "The Minto Wheel." There are no restrictions on building or experimenting with the wheel. Sun Power Systems, Inc. 1121 Lewis Ave. Sarasota, Fla 33577 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [graphic 1] Polygon wonder wheel is made of individual containers. (Almost any leakproof container can be used.) Tubes connect opposite pairs. I wasn't sure it would run. It runs! Minto demonstrates wheel's torque; simple pony brake on output wheel measures hp. Speed is about one rpm, but torque is strong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [graphic 2] Low-boiling liquid, such as freon or propane, fills one bottle of each pair. The opposite bottle is empty and void of air. The liquid collects in the lower bottle, which is immersed in warm (solar-heated) water. Heat from the water (or a solar reflector, or any other source slightly warmer than the surrounding air) vaporizes the liquid and forces part of it up through the connecting tube and into the empty bottle on top. Gravity does the rest: The heavy bottle starts down; the lighter bottle floats up. As each pair shuttles its liquid mass back and forth, the whole thing turns and repeats the process endlessly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 16 07:22:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA22133; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19960616.101604.16303.2.DanWillett@juno.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1210 From: danwillett@juno.com (Dan P Willett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Solar engine that's practical? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) writes: >I transcribed this from an old Popular Science article. It deals with >a technology that actually looks do-able, today... It's even low-cost! Very interesting! Would it be possible for you to scan in the pictures and put them up on a Web page? Also, you don't happen to have any other information do you? (Does anybody) If you don't have Web space, I'll provide Web space for it. This sounds like something I could put together to generate energy while I'm working on other projects. (And start GETTING money from the Electric company instead of paying them) Later... Dan From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 16 11:10:28 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA20337; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 834952770.1215 From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Solar engine that's practical? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck > Knight) writes: > >I transcribed this from an old Popular Science article. It deals with > >a technology that actually looks do-able, today... It's even low-cost! > > Very interesting! Would it be possible for you to scan in the pictures > and put them up on a Web page? Also, you don't happen to have any other > information do you? Well, I have one of the two relevant pictures...and I've already sent it to both Bill Beaty (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb) and Jerry Decker (Keelynet BBS, http://www.keelynet.com) for inclusion in their pages. The other image is a photograph...not a diagram, so I can't reproduce it by hand. I'll have to wait till next week, when i visit a friend with a scanner. Now, as to additional information. In the early to mid 1970;s, Wally Minto was a favorite inventor of Popular Science. He invented several freon-based engines, all of which apparently worked. One was used in a combination home power generator and air-conditioning/heating unit, and one was used in an automobile called the "Freon Flyer." Various articles described these inventions, dating between 1972 and 1974. I only own the magazines for a couple of them...as I transcribe the articles, I'll post them to the list. This guy seems as if he was brilliant...his inventions certainly seem brilliant. I thought we could all find them interesting. -- Chuck Knight From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 16 15:04:05 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA19325; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Low-Tech Free NRG... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT), Chuck Knight wrote: >It sounds like this patent covers my concerns...lack of heat, or at least >a means to produce sufficient vapor. Do you have the text of the patent >in electronic form? If so, could you post it to the list, so we can all >benefit? Sorry, I don't have the patent in any electronic form. My reference comes from a book published here in New Zealand last year entitled "Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries" by Brian O'Leary, Christopher Bird, et al (ISBN No.0-9583334-7-5). It contains a full reproduction of the patent, complete with eight figures. It also has a short chapter on "The Charles Pogue Story", and some interesting notes regarding tests carried out by the Breen Motor Company Limited on an eight-cylinder Ford coupe. While this book is heavily focused on 'suppression' and 'conspiracy', it does contain a number of interesting and useful references to electro-gravitics and "free energy" devices. Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 16 15:39:41 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA23912; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960616222259_76216.2421_HHB44-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dennis - >>> "As the story goes, we were experimenting >>> with asymetrical electrodes under vacuum." I believe we can get into potentially dangerous x-rays in this territory too. I'm getting a pulsed HVDC generator set up, and I want to do some investigation into BB too. I have industrial vacuum pumps that pull pretty good, but not hard vacuum. I'm a little bit concerned about shielding for x-rays and still being able to make direct observations of suspended objects, etc. I suppose the likelyhood of the energy being very well focussed is low, so a few meters of distance would probably do as well - nice to have for the HV anyway. Observations can be made with a close-focus telescope. My machine runs at about 3.9 amps at 12v on the input end, so times efficiency out, that's not much, but I expect a minimum of 100kv at the electrodes. Any thoughts from anyone on the x-rays from rigs like this? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 16 16:07:51 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27499; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606162245.AAA16523@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: News about Finsrud ? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, did anybody hear any news about he Finsrud Perpetual Motion Machine ? If you even did not hear anything about it at all have a look at: http://www.overunity.de/finsrud.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 17 06:19:36 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA10214; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606171312.GAA04044@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: snip > >I believe we can get into potentially dangerous x-rays in this territory too. snip >Any thoughts from anyone on the x-rays from rigs like this? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI 6/17/96 Rick, Eventhough, they are mostly soft x-rays, shielding is a must. Don't risk leukemia down the road. Buy an old surplus portable x-ray screen with leaded glass from an x-ray supply house. These are not used commercially much any more and are cheap. Also, surplus x-ray measuring devices are real handy. Lead sheilding is very expensive. In the past, I've used BaSo4 powder mixed in plaster of paris. BaSo4 powder comes in the dry form and is the stuff you drink for a gastrointestial x-ray series. It's really cheap. You can also form and mold it easily in the plaster of paris. A layer can be easily plastered on dry wall board or placed in a make shift cardboard mold. RWW From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 17 14:31:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11883; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19960617.155130.7391.0.DanWillett@juno.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: danwillett@juno.com (Dan P Willett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Solar engine that's practical? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:28:48 -0500 (CDT) chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) writes: >Dan...here's a copy of the article again, and the associated diagram. I >need access to a scanner to include the photo...I'll have access to a >friend's this week...next week I should be able to upload a photograph >of the device. Chuck, I got it, and I turned it into HTML, you can take a look at it by turning your browser to http://users.aol.com/danwillett/energy/index.html Later... Dan From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 17 17:32:25 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA18773; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960617174915_136935468@emout14.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: RMCarrell@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-06-16 18:34:25 EDT,Rick Monteverde writes: >I believe we can get into potentially dangerous x-rays in this territory too. Yes, indeed. X-ray generation starts at about 25 Kv, which is why the faceplates of TV picture tubes are loaded with lead. I think dental X-rays are at the 100 Kv level. Shielding and distant observation, perhaps in a mirror, are very appropriate. Mike Carrell From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 17 17:33:36 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19032; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606180005.CAA19315@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Solar engine that's practical? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >On Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:28:48 -0500 (CDT) chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck >Knight) writes: > >>Dan...here's a copy of the article again, and the associated diagram. I > >>need access to a scanner to include the photo...I'll have access to a >>friend's this week...next week I should be able to upload a photograph >>of the device. > >Chuck, I got it, and I turned it into HTML, you can take a look at it by >turning your browser to >http://users.aol.com/danwillett/energy/index.html > Hi, thanks a lot for making this info available. Sounds like a pretty easy to build engine with a good output. Should be really used in countries with lots of sun. Thanks for sharing the info. Reminds me of an old toy I once had, where I could use the heat of my warm palm hand to drive an fluid to the top of an cylinder bottle... I ever wondered, why this kind of effect was never used to build an engine... Now your pages show us, how it is done easily and efficient ! Great ! Regards, Stefan. >Later... >Dan > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 17 17:38:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA18906; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606172153.OAA02735@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: 6/17/96 You wrote: snip > >I believe we can get into potentially dangerous x-rays in this territory too. snip >Any thoughts from anyone on the x-rays from rigs like this? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI 6/17/96 Rick, Eventhough, they are mostly soft x-rays, shielding is a must. Don't risk leukemia down the road. Buy an old surplus portable x-ray screen with leaded glass from an x-ray supply house. These are not used commercially much any more and are cheap. Also, surplus x-ray measuring devices are real handy. Lead sheilding is very expensive. In the past, I've used BaSo4 powder mixed in plaster of paris. BaSo4 powder comes in the dry form and is the stuff you drink for a gastrointestial x-ray series. It's really cheap. You can also form and mold it easily in the plaster of paris. A layer can be easily plastered on dry wall board or placed in a make shift cardboard mold. RWW From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 17 22:55:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA20061; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: microwave lawnmower X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Wes C. (not a subscriber, yet ) is interested in building the "magnetron lawnmower" device as well. I wonder if it's smart to start with an engine, or instead to just try pulsing a magnetron into a small cavity with water spray. If this forms a "steam exploder" device, then an engine should be possible. Small holes (mm dia.) should pass steam but not RF. And this should make for a simple test bed for adjusting pulses, water flow and droplet size, etc. Maybe an overunity microwave pulsejet engine would also work. The underwater version would be a boat motor with no moving parts? On the lawnmower engine, I suspect it would work best to plug the sparkplug port with some dielectric material which would contain the steam, yet pass RF energy. ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 18 03:17:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA23449; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960618100735_76216.2421_HHB38-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2421@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Biefeld-Brown... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Thanks to all for the reminder about the dangers of x-rays from HV experiments. A lead sheet barrier and a mirror for observation sounds like a pretty good idea. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 19 09:05:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA15564; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Unsubscribing yourself X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Is there anyone else having trouble unsubscribing? Don't send your command to freenrg-L, send it to listproc@eskimo.com Don't put anything in the subject line, put the command in the message body. Don't just say "unsubscribe" Say "unsubscribe freenrg-L" ...............................freenrg-L.................................... 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FREENRG-L *************************************************************************** * TO SUBSCRIBE, send this one-line email message to listproc@eskimo.com * * inserting your name, of course. * * * * subscribe freenrg-L your-full-name-goes-here * * * * * * TO UNSUBSCRIBE, send this one-line email message to listproc@eskimo.com * * * * unsubscribe freenrg-L * * * *************************************************************************** From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 19 12:14:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21746; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31C8268B.57DB@introtech.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Henry Eisenson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: This list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I haven't seen ANYTHING on this list for three weeks or more. What's up?? Henry ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Henry Eisenson INTROTECH 6336 Greenwich Drive A bridge to the world's San Diego, CA 92122 largest market! (619) 453-7600 fax 552-9050 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 19 17:42:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19974; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606192247.AA06045@student.utwente.nl> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: T.L.G.vanderLinden@student.utwente.nl (Timothy van der Linden) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >I haven't seen ANYTHING on this list for three weeks or more. > >What's up?? > >Henry I told you, this is the blackhole of the Internet, all messages get sucked in, and never come out. Bill, you really did it, you created the first interactive anomaly on the internet. ;) Timothy From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 19 20:07:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17214; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606200151.SAA24377@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A I'm interested in building the magnatron lawnmower engine, already have most of the parts laying around,BUT I have been waiting for more information to be posted by timothy chandler. I am especially interested in the notes that he was going to post with the discussion group about electrical diagrams, etc. Has anybody else talked to him? I talked to bill beaty on the land line, he was most helpful and emailed me all that was posted on the discussion group on this subject. THANKS BILL! Anyway timothy if your reading this please post any new information you have, or email me directly. ANYONE ELSE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 19 20:10:38 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17576; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ANNOUNCING A NEW FORUM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ANNOUNCING the Newman-L Mailing List A mailing list about inventor Joseph Newman and his energy invention. This list is maintained on The Energy Machine Information System, Sysop, Ralph Hartwell. List Managers - Evan Soule' and Ralph Hartwell * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Why are we starting another mailing list about Joseph Newman? Well, we like to think of this list as being the "official" list for information about Mr. Newman and his inventions. Here's why... Mr. Evan Soule', has worked with Mr. Newman for many years handling public relations and fielding many questions from folks all over the world about Mr. Newman's work, both from the technical and non technical aspects. He is in an excellent position to be able to get answers to specific technical questions directly from Mr. Newman. Mr. Ralph Hartwell, has spent considerable time over the years working with Mr. Newman in the technical area. He has had the opportunity to run some personal tests on Newman's devices, and oversaw the complete reconstruction of the 15,000 pound machine after it was damaged during high-power testing. Both of these gentlemen have had personal contact with most or all of the people mentioned in Newman's book, and have also had extensive conversations, discussion and arguments with Mr. Newman over the years since he first developed his energy invention. They are uniquely poised to give you the "real stuff" in answer to your questions. This list will also allow serious experimenters a place to discuss their projects with other like-minded folks and hopefully solve their design and construction problems with accuracy. We feel that Newman-L will be of great interest to those who are genuinely interested in Joseph Newman and his inventions. We invite you to join us. WHAT'S ALLOWED ON THE LIST ? First of all, everyone's welcome aboard: "true believers", skeptics, the inquisitive, and everyone else as well. We welcome open and free discussion of Newman and his inventions, and this generally includes almost anything that relates even peripherally to Newman's work. Discussions of applications of his inventions are encouraged, as are discussions of his theory. It should be stated, however, that the subscriber is at a serious disadvantage if he/she has not read the fundamental book written by Mr. Newman. Over the past 20 years, Mr. Newman has grown a bit impatient with individuals asking him the same questions --- over and over again --- especially when these questions are specifically addressed in his 475 page book. He does honestly ask that the reader master the material within his book before addressing additional questions to him. Although this is an unmoderated list, if things should happen to get too far off topic, Evan or Ralph may request that a particular topic be taken to private Email or dropped from the ongoing discussion. WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED ? Flaming and personal attacks are verbotten. The list rules are pretty specific - you'll get a copy in the welcome message when you subscribe. Remember, this is primarily a list of folks who are pretty much in Newman's corner, so raving attacks and flames will get you yelled at pretty quick. Healthy skepticism (tempered with honest curiosity) is quite acceptable ---- after all, what Newman is saying is quite a bit unusual to anyone schooled in standard physics and engineering. Subscribing to Newman-L ----------------------- Send e-mail to LISTSERV@EMACHINE.COM. In the body of the message, put your subscription requests as SUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L Examples: subscribe NEWMAN-L subscribe NEWMAN-L Pete Nelson <-- your real name [optional] You will be sent a subscription confirmation message with instructions on posting to the list and other helpful information, including a list of all archived materials available from The Energy Machine Information System via Email FTP or by dialing direct at 504-734-0526. P.S.Special thanks to William Beaty for his permitting the use of some of his list service's phraseology. Thanks Bill! UPDATES: Check out website: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Check out website: http://www.overunity.de/newman.htm Check out website: http://www.angelfire.com/pg0/Newman/index.html Also: Joseph Newman's technology is featured in the current issue of Infinite Energy Magazine and will appear on the Chuck Harter Coast-to- Coast Radio Show in July. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 20 00:25:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA26772; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606200707.JAA14992@kilkenny.tip.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: anders@text-tv.tv4.se To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New member X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hello! My name is Anders Lindskold. I live in Sweden and am a newcomer to this=20 list. I have always been fascinated by physics and technology. When I was=20 around ten I spent all my spare time trying to build a photon engine in=20 order for man to be able to travel to the stars. I read everything I could=20 (and didn't understand a single line) about quantum physics as I felt it ha= d=20 the answers to all my problems concerning the engine and antigravity etc. I was really happy to find this list and I hope it will spawn many=20 interesting discussions. I have a question to start with: A man named T Townsend Brown is often mentioned as having invented an=20 antigravity device sometime in the 20's. Has this ever been verified? What=20 are your opinions? How was it supposed to work? How come no one has ever=20 attempted to commercially utilize it if it was as revolutionary as claimed=20 in the documents I read? Yours sincerely, Anders Lindskold, Sweden From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:00:55 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08725; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: John Alexander Lotoski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A > I'm interested in building the magnatron lawnmower engine, already have > most of the > parts laying around,BUT I have been waiting for more information to be > posted by timothy chandler. I am especially interested in the notes that he > was going to post with the discussion group about electrical diagrams, etc. > Has anybody else talked to him? I talked to bill beaty on the land line, he > was most helpful and emailed me all that was posted on the discussion group What is unique about the engine? How does it work? What does it run on? (This is the first time i have heard of this experiement) thanx John From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:01:52 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA08873; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606202141.OAA24399@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Brian To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Does Anyone Recall... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A Hi Folks, I remember some time ago reading about a vortex-l mailing list. Does anyone remember the email address for subscribing? Thanks, Brian QUANTUM@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:02:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA08947; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lab Seminar: Bions and the Reich Blood Test (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:20:53 -0800 From: James DeMeo To: OBRL Forward - primary Subject: Lab Seminar: Bions and the Reich Blood Test Please Copy and Post the Following to Other Interested Individuals, Groups and Lists *********************************** A N N O U N C I N G Laboratory Microscopy Workshop on Wilhelm Reich's Biophysical Discoveries Bions and the Reich Blood Test 3-4 August 1996: Laboratory Workshop on Bions and the Reich Blood Test Covering the following general topics: * Wilhelm Reich's Discovery of Bions, and the Cancer Biopathy. * Lab demonstration and microscopical observations of bions from both living and non-living materials; discussion of basic phenomena, sterile technique. * Problems and controversies; recent discovery and observation of bion-like structures by other scientists. * Lab demonstration of the Reich Blood Test. Instructors: Richard Blasband, M.D. & Stephen Nagy, M.D., assisted by James DeMeo, Ph.D. If you have a good microscope, please bring it. A microscope video-display system will be provided for those who cannot. demonstrations, videos, slides, handouts. In the 1930s, while investigating the bioenergetic aspects of human emotion and sexuality, Dr. Wilhelm Reich discovered a small microscopical vesicle, which he later called the *bion*, which lay at the border between the worlds of living and non-living matter. Bions could form, as Reich discovered, from either living or non-living matter which had been subjected to the process of disintegration and swelling. Bions then could, under specific conditions, develop into known micro-organisms, such as protozoa, thereby demonstrating a solution to the "origins of life" question. Originally criticized as a "contaminant" by microbiologists, Reich developed various control procedures to rule out such possibilities, including the heating of his solutions to very high temperatures and high-pressure autoclavation. Reich also demonstrated a parallel in the bionous development of protozoans in soils or pond water, to the development of similar protozoan cancer cells in the biopathic organism. The discovery of bions paralleled another discovery of Reich, that of the biological *orgone energy*, or life energy. Bions which developed from the disintegration of highly charged substances were bluish in coloration, and highly energetic in movement and function, while those which developed from energetically weak materials (or weakly-charged tissues) developed into smaller, darker forms of a more toxic nature, which he called *t-bacilli*. In general, Reich's t-bacilli were found in abundance in cancer patients, but not in healthier people. He furthermore developed a specialized bioenergetic blood test, which reflected the overall life-energetic condition of the organism, and its tendency toward health or biopathic conditions. Reich's discoveries on bions, biogenesis, and the cancer biopathy have been replicated and verified over the years, and predate similar findings by other researchers working in more orthodox and classical institutions. Reich emphasis upon emotions, sexuality, and the biophysical orgone (life energy) charging of tissues remains unique, however. This laboratory workshop on Bions and the Reich Blood Test is a first-time offering on the West Coast, and will be led by Richard Blasband, M.D. and Stephen Nagy, M.D., both of whom have many years of experience investigating the works of Wilhelm Reich. Both have previously served as faculty for similar courses on the East Coast. Assisting will be James DeMeo, Ph.D., Director of OBRL. Several microscopes will be set up and operating, one with video-display capabilities, but students are encouraged to bring their own microscopes. The workshop will present the basics of Reich's bion discoveries, and the basic techniques for the Reich blood test. Discussion will be given for the more complex aspects of Reich's microbiological discoveries, for which insufficient time may prevent demonstrations. The workshop is geared for biological and/or health professionals, but is also suitable for educated laypeople and students in the biological sciences. Call or email if you have questions about this, or other matters. Third in a Series: "Greensprings 1996" Building Upon the Discoveries of the Late Dr. Wilhelm Reich Orgone Biophysical Research Lab ( http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ) A Non-Profit Science Research and Educational Foundation, Since 1978. Greensprings Center PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon, 97520 USA James DeMeo, Ph.D., Director More Information: A four-page descriptive brochure will soon be available, along with speaker biographies. Also a list of nearby motels, inns, restaurants, and other facilities will be sent upon request. The area is loaded with recreational attractions and beautiful natural wonders. Call, write, fax or e-mail for more information. Times: 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM each day, Saturday and Sunday. Where: At the new O.B.R.L. Greensprings Center, 20 miles east of Ashland, Oregon in the forests of the Siskiyou Mountains. A street address and map will be sent to all registrants. Cost: $150 per full weekend event; half-price for full-time students (documentation required). Limited to 30 participants; Early registration advised, with payment to the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab (or simply, "O.B.R.L.") Send to: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab Greensprings, PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA 541/ 552-0118 telephone/fax e-mail to: demeo@mind.net ************************************************ Other forthcoming workshops (inquire for details, or visit the OBRL web site at: http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ) 20-21 July 1996: The Orgone Energy Accumulator: Construction and Use 28-29 September 1996: Seminar on Drought, Desert and Forest Death To obtain a complete set of descriptive flyers and a detailed Seminar/Workshop announcement, plus our 22-page unusual science book and product catalog, send us your complete postal mailing address. "Love, work and knowledge are the wellsprings of our lives, they should also govern it" - Wilhelm Reich ************************************************ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:02:57 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA09070; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: INE Web Site Updated X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: www.padrak.com/ine/ ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ June 20, 1996 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 4, No. 2, June 1996. Articles taken from the new NEN, June 1996, issue: Implications Of The Bockris-Minevski & Mizuno, Et Al. Papers [on cold fusion results] New Fusion Plan In Washington D.C. A Cold Fusion Review (June 1996) Latest Deutsche Physik (June 1996) Testing Invitation for Over-Unity Devices In Germany Environmentalists Misinformed about Emerging Energy Technologies Letter & Poem From Donald Walton (COULD BE IMPORTANT!) Clustron Sciences Corporation to Web Sites. Finsrud's Perpetual Motion Machine to the Web Sites. Inert Gasses (Jon Fox & Hilarion) to the Web Sites. Pointer at top of Site to most recent articles and files. Revised the Registration notification (email) file. All emails will now be sent out BCC by the INE. No Registered email addresses will be seen in the emails. Site counter = 9,742. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:03:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA09170; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, wesly crosiar wrote: > I'm interested in building the magnatron lawnmower engine, already have > most of the > parts laying around,BUT I have been waiting for more information to be > posted by timothy chandler. I am especially interested in the notes that he > was going to post with the discussion group about electrical diagrams, etc. > Has anybody else talked to him? I talked to bill beaty on the land line, he > was most helpful and emailed me all that was posted on the discussion group > on this subject. THANKS BILL! Anyway timothy > if your reading this please post any new information you have, or email me > directly. > ANYONE ELSE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT? An idea I might try: somewhere on my pages there's an article about magnetrons used as weapons by powering them with capacitor discharge. I wonder how this might work for vaporizing water? Dump a few hundred joules of 20KV capacitor through a microwave oven tube, with a bit of water in a perfmetal waveguide stuck on the end. If the water goes "boom," then reduce the joules to find the requirements for steam generation. Hey! This has similarities to the "exploding water" effect being explored by the Drs.Graneau, where capacitor discharge through water creates immensely large forces, but if the voltage (and maybe current?) is below a certain threshold, there is no explosion. An "exploding water" engine was suggested, but how to fill a cylinder with water, and how to keep the steel from shattering under the high impulse forces? Use microwaves in water droplets! Individual droplets might explode violently, but then the steam acts as a cushion and distributes a smaller force over a longer time. If this is how it works, then the Microwave Lawnmower might require extremely high power over extremely short times, more like capacitor discharge than like a magneto coil output pulse. The RF energy would need to cause extremely large currents in the droplets. If the same energy is delivered at low voltage over a long time or at high voltage over a breif time, it only explodes the water in the second case. And size of the water droplets might be important; higher currents might be obtained with either very large or very small drops. If exploding water is an o/u phenomena, then the "water cannon" is not a good way to build an engine, and the microwave lawnmower should really work! ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:04:49 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA09387; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Microwave pulses X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: The file on microwave pulsing is http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrg/empweap.html It suggests that high current pulses above a certain level in a magnetron might interfere with the usual axial magnetic field and spoil the microwave output. Strong magnets required. Or use coils and pulse them at the same time as the anode supply to the magnetron. Also mentioned is an "electromagnetic missle." This sounds like a soliton. I known that light-wave solitons in air are possible, where the light acts like a self-focusing pulse which does not grow wider with distance. But high intensity is required, and since the air absorbs the light, eventually the intensity will fall too low and the pulse falls apart after a few feet. If something similar was done with VHF or UHF radio waves, I bet it would go much further because the air doesn't absorb it. ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:05:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA09566; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606212159.OAA10100@galadriel.compumedia.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: skot@compumedia.com (Scott Becker) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Thermodynamics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I want to build homepage with a solid disscussion about a certain topic. To start this discussion I will ask a question. As a thermodynamic system what work does a refridgerater do? Or put another way, what form of energy is the electrical power drawn by a refridgerater converted into? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:08:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA09851; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca (Ken G. Brown) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Interesting Science Info X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: You might find these sites interesting. http://elf.gi.alaska.edu/sprites.html on Red Sprites and Blue Jets http://www.knowledge.co.uk/xxx/reports/ an extensive project to archive anomalous research reports from decades of peer reviewed literature. _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@tnc.com Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:08:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA10117; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Friends, >I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who id >afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I have >been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running >around the same track. I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman >with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. It seems to me >that with that as a starting point we might come up with a more creative >treatment the the medical establisments current tecnique of just watching >them die. If you have any ideas on this I would love to hear from you. >Remember that this thing kills so any idea no matter how farfetched is >worth consideration. Thanks > >Jim Burrows >PS >It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a >wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. > >**************************************************************************** >Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB >sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs >Seattle, WA Check out colloidal minerals and the work of Joel Wallach, N.D. He claims that such degenerative diseases are the result of rare earth mineral deficiencies. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:09:08 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA10284; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin >van Spaandonk) writes: > >>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:46:08 -0700 (PDT), Josef Hasslberger wrote: > >>For what it might be worth, some suggestions regarding multiple >sclerosis: >>It seems to be a blockage of the neurotransmitters. Alluminium poisoning >>(accumulation of alluminium in the organism) has been associated with >>blockage of neurotransmitters and may be (one of?) the mechanisms >causing >>it. >> >| Last I heard the association with aluminium was a mistake. Apparently >| the dye used to stain the slides contained Aluminium, and this lead to >| the mistaken conclusion that the brain tissue was the source. > >Yes, I believe that is true, you may not be aware however, that recently, >a direct link was found between Alzheimers disease and the mercury in >Dental Amagrams. Mercury poisoning may also be a contributing factor in >some cases of MS. > >Later... >Dan Dental mercury can be eliminated from the body by drinking cilantro and parsley juice. Mixing with carrot juice helps with taste. Take once every 3rd day. This was reported in a medical journal I read, I think from the British Journal Lancet. Probably a search of the literature would turn up more. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 00:12:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA11038; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606220824.EAA29695@norway.it.earthlink.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "BOOGIE NATION" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Psychotronics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: What are Psychotronics and Radionics? Some say that psychotronics are the hidden technologies especially when using psychotronics to create spinning double tetrahedron fields for 'anti-gravity'. You be the judge..... Psychotronincs are 'mind machine'. They are 'spiritual technologies'. The are prana powered electrical machines that are run by your mind and heart. They are the links between the physical and the etheric. They can be actual devices or machines in your visualizing mind. Psychotronics are the 'hidden technology', and the 'ancient technologies'. You can use wood, metal to make these machines or you can use nature and animal to BE these machines. You can use free Earth energies or you can run them off you wall socket. Psychotronics are the vehicles that power 'life-force' or 'Light' into your visualizations. There are many technologies that are kept hidden from the average person. The reason for this is that the potential that can be acquired with these technologies is unlimited...absolutely unlimited! When I refer to the word "technologies", I am not referring to massive electronics, hardware, computers or billion dollars machines. These are not that type of technologies. But rather they are mind-based, etheric connecting representations and connectors. This probably doesn't make much sense at this point but it soon will. In order to understand these technologies, I will refresh you on the basics: The world around you and all the things in it are more than what you see. Your physical eyes can only see things which you consider physical because of limitations imposed upon all humans eons ago. That means that if you removed your limitations on what your eyes can see, then you will see many other things other than the physical surroundings. Most people would think "Well what else is there to see?" My response is.... "lots!" The things you see around you (including people and especially people) are not just physical in nature. They all have physical qualities but they also have other qualities as well. They exist on other levels. One level of existence is on this physical world or more properly termed with the limitations of physical language... the third dimensional level. There are more levels than this third dimension. Too many, in fact, to count. One thing about these levels is that they all coincide or merge together like all the ingredients to make a pie merge together to form the completed pie. With regards to radionics and other side-technologies of the same family, the other level we are interested in is what is commonly called the "etheric" level. In actuality it is not called this, but this is an English world associated with this level and so it has stuck. Another level that you might heard of has been called the "astral" level. There are twelve overtones between levels (or dimensions or octaves). As stated before, the physical world is on the third dimensional level. The astral level exists on the first and second overtones of the 4th dimension. This "astral plane" is where you first go to when you leave your physical body. The "etheric plane" is lower than this astral level being more near and connected with the 3rd dimension. Everything you see around you occupies higher levels other than this physical plane. To get to the point, all physical objects and structures (including people) have an etheric structure. Your physical body is not the only thing moving and functioning. You also have an etheric body; an invisible body that can been seen when you move up to higher levels or train yourself to see this level with your physical eyes. All objects have an etheric body as well as a physical body. Cars, trees, books, food and even things that you can't see with your eyes such as music vibrations, smells and.......... thoughts! Thoughts exist on higher levels such as the "etheric" or "astral" and can actually be seen when you access these levels. With skill, practice and knowledge your thoughts can be seen on this physical world so you can make an image of something appear in front of people if you had the know how. This might sound bizarre, but you and everyone around you actually does this already in a slightly different way. Remember... Every human-made thing you see around you once began as a thought. Take a t-shirt for example. The design for the shirt began in someone's thoughts. The chemistry of the inks or fiber structure in the shirt once began and was created by someone thinking about it; using their thoughts to design it. The machines that made the shirt first had to be thought of by someone (probably an engineer) who transferred their thoughts onto paper or computer as a new design. When you look at this concept of making your thoughts appear in front of people in this sense, it won't seem so far fetched and this is the first step for breaking down the limitations in your mind that you cannot "manifest things out of the blue". The music a musician creates first begins in their thoughts. Whether it's the thought of how they want it to sound exactly or the thought of maybe "I should try this to see how this sounds". Once the CD is pressed, you have a physical object that once began as thought: from the music, to the artistic designs on the CD, to the actual machinery designed to make the CD... all components from thoughts. This etheric level can be accessed in many ways from this physical level. One way to do this is through radionics. Radionics make the connection or the link from the etheric plane to the physical plane and visa versa. A radionic machine can make a connection to the etheric body of a tree or to the thoughts (etheric level) of a person. And since you and your mind exist on all these levels at once, the radionic machine is really only helping your mind and awareness to make the connection. It is really your mind that is doing the work but with the help of the radionic "machine" to make the connection between the nonphysical world and the physical world. Compare it to reading a map. Your mind is really doing the work but it gets is bearings with the help of the map. The map is only helping your mind to sort and arrange information in the correct way to get your bearings and give you direction. The same applies with the radionic machine. It is only helping your mind to sort and arrange information in the correct way to get your goal working in the right direction and the best way. Since radionic machines are only mind/etheric connecting tools, they do not have to be full of complicated physical components. That is why this knowledge is kept hidden from people. Radionics works with settings that makes links between thoughtwaves to events/goals. Your mental link in a part of the machine often called the "well" allows the flow of Prana, Chi, life force from the radionic device to reach your target or goal. The setting ("rate") that you establish with the "stick pad" increases the energy towards a specific action (your goal). The rate is a representation of a specific action that you wish to carry out. When you use radionic applications for the betterment of humans and the planet (such as finding missing children, preventing earthquakes, making soil fertile in dry Third World countries) then the full truth of radionics comes to you in time (as a reward from higher sources) as it did for me. The highest form of radionics require the use of no physical instruments or things at all (internal radionics). It is just done by thoughts alone! This is my speciality and requires very secret knowledge. Since your thoughts are real on a higher level and not just some invisible wisp in your brain.... you can create radionic machines that exist, run and are powered from a higher level all completely invisible from this physical world! There are many advantages to this; some being that you are not limited to size, they are invisible to practically everyone on this planet and they can be extremely complicated without having to fork out any money to make the things. And since all levels are existing together, someone in the physical world could pass through a component of an etheric radionic machine and never see or feel a thing! If I pulled you out of your body to the etheric plane or taught you how to access this plane on your own, you would be absolutely stunned at the massive, complicated, huge radionic setup that hovers above, blends with, and goes deep beneath my city. With the flick of my thoughts, I can instantly "call up" other radionic machines in the same place where the other one was or I can hook them all together (another advantage of "internal radionics"). The secret knowledge of "Psionics" is used to help with radionics. Psionics have many different descriptions. Psionics are ways to amplify and trap energy by using conducive patterns. A simple circle can be considered psionic in nature because the circle emits certain vibrations. A collection of circles creates even more energy and more power. All sorts of designs can do this if you know which designs. The advantage is that you can use these energies for your own goals. The circular patterns below generate a lot of energy and you can "charge" you goals in the center. Since radionics are tools and machines for your mind/etheric functioning, the possibilities of uses are unlimited to what you can imagine. A list could be endless in radionic applications but here is a list of just some of the things you can do with a radionic machine. After you read this you'll see why radionics is so secret. This list does not necessarily represent my personal uses for radionics since many are highly immoral and radionics is only one branch of my work. Consider this a generic list of possible uses: - Healing yourself or others of illness, disease, etc. - Removing pests from your home without chemicals. - Removing pests from crops without chemicals. - Teleportation (moving your body around the globe with your thoughts alone). - Levitation (raising physical objects into the air e.g.. pyramid stones eg sound psychotronics)). - Assisting with creative artistic endeavors. - Personal protection. - Psychic warfare if you are under attack. - Removal of alien implants in your body. - Accessing other dimensions and realities. - Gaining secret knowledge. - Reading the mind of others. - Remote viewing (invisible cameras inside places of your choice). - Telepathic communication between individuals. - Wireless, invisible telephonic transmission (say good-bye to high phone bills and great if a disaster hits and all the phone lines are down). - As an FM stereo. - Military applications - Removal of harmful ELF, electromagnetic frequencies surrounding you. - Broadcasting music or images. - Taping into satellite systems. - Remote viewing beyond the planet to other planets. - Interdimensional warehouse construction. - Making water taste better. - Programming water to have particular qualities to enhance personal development. - Invoking the Light. - Spreading Love more creatively to anyone or anything. - Winning the lottery. - Dematerialization of physical structures. - Breaking down time/space grids around your house for truly multidimensional living. - Accessing higher levels of consciousness and help from higher sources. - Inducing brainstates and alterted states - Programming specific energy patterns into anything - Transferring the energy of ancient power sources into psionic, radionic devices The list could go on and on. As you see, the question of morals comes up with many applications that are within your reach with radionics. You will find that any knowledge that comes to you on a higher level has to go through your conscious morals. Most people think that because it is "higher knowledge" and awareness, it is always on the positive side. This is not so. Higher knowledge can be used for both good and bad depending upon your choice. You can go to higher levels of awarenesses and dimensions and be a totally 'evil' person. The control structures on this planet have been set up and implemented by negative beings on reside on higher dimensions. A rule to follow is to keep your radionic work centered around Love always, with no exceptions. For example, use your radionic machine for remote viewing to find missing children but don't use it to watch your favorite actor/actress take a shower. Radionics is a branch of psionics which uses instruments to analyze and transmit information about and to etheric fields. The main key in radionic work is what is known as the "rate". The rate is nothing more than a language for translating psychic (mental) impressions into numbers. Everything in existence can be converted into numerical form. This is very complex to get into so I'll keep it simple. Think back to your high school mathematics about the mathematical symbol called "pi". If you remember, this pi notation starts with 3.1416...... and continues to infinity; it never ends. What your math teacher didn't mention (because they don't know this) is that everything in existence is contained numerically within the decimal places of "pi". If you were to convert your name into numbers, it would be found somewhere in pi. If you were to convert your bodily cellular structure into numerical notations, it would be found somewhere in pi. Your car's license plate could be found in pie. The time and date of your physical death is within pi. The memory and experience or a childhood trauma is within the pi notation somewhere. Feelings, thoughts, emotions, memories, goals, dreams, purposes, whatever, can be converted to a numerical (thus GEOMETRIC thus MUSIC) form and found somewhere in pi. The amount of atoms that you have breathed in your life so far can be found in pi. The amount of atoms you will breath for the rest of your life can be found in pi. A radionic visualization can be converted into numbers and be found somewhere in pi. You name it, it is somewhere in pi. That is why pi is such a sacred mathematical notation and the pyramids are all built from this notational formula. When you take a "rate" in radionics, what you are really doing is accessing this pi notation (and other things) on a higher level; your mind is converting your thoughts or etheric structures into a numerical form. You don't need a calculator to do this. Your mind does it all since you are connected to all things on an unconscious level. There are many different types of rates depending upon your radionic use. If you were to take a "contact" rate of a person for healing purposes, then this rate or series of numbers places you in contact with the person's etheric body. If you were to take a contact rate for a population of people, then this rate or series of numbers places you in contact with all the people's etheric bodies. If you were to take a contact rate for a television satellite in orbit around the earth, then this rate or series of numbers places you in contact with the satellite's etheric body. The contact will be maintained until you break it, something like an open phone line. Contact rates change each time you wish to get in touch with the structure, so there is no point in recording them for future use. If you are trying to make a connection with something, then you would take a contact rate. A rate is done with the dials on the radionic machine. "Analysis" rates are used when you want to analyze something or to take a rate for something that will not change. This rate never changes and can be recorded and used for future use. Other types of rates are pattern rates, broadcast rates, balance rates, light rates, orgone rates, telepathic rates, just to name a few out of hundreds. Remember that I'm trying to introduce you to something very advanced, repressed and powerful so I am just revealing the basic. The more rates you take with your radionic use, the more intricate of a connection you will make to the etheric energy and more success you will get with your radionic machine. Eventually, when you get very skilled at internal radionics, rates can be taken in the thousands just by your thoughts alone and connections will be made without you having to deal with any numbers. How could you possibly do something like this automatically? It's simple.... make a radionic machine that will do it for y ou and tap into it whenever you need to deal with massive amounts of rates (being creative)! A rate can be taken with your radionic machine very simply; almost too simply to believe that it works. It's done with the use of what is known as a "stick pad". A pendulum can also be used after some preliminary practice but the stick pad is just as good. This pad can be made from anything flat and smooth. Even though plastic and rubber are not natural, they work extremely well and that's why the top of a coffee can is sufficient. Copper and gold are the best. The procedure is to pass or rub or stroke your right thumb on the flat surface with just enough pressure to move smoothly but with some friction. When you make the numerical connection your thumb will seem to stick or stop on the pad. A "stick" is hard to describe but you will know it when you feel it; it's different for each individual. Essentially, the pad seems to "grab" the thumb and stop it. This is the connection. What is really happening is that you are consciously asking your subconscious mind to access the pi notation by giving a sample number to try. As you stroke the pad, your subconscious mind is determining if the number that you have asked to access is the correct number to use. If it is not the correct number, your thumb will continue to pass over the pad as you stroke it. If it is the correct number, your subconscious mind responds by releasing minute amounts of etheric energy from your thumb to "grab" the etheric particles of the pad. You don't worry about the technicalities of this. Your mind takes care of it all. Just the action of you rubbing the pad slowly and asking your mind if it is the correct number, and knowing that your thumb will stick if it is the correct number, is all y ou have to do. Your subconscious mind takes care of the rest. You know that when you eat something, the food will get digested in your stomach and pass into your body but you don't have to think about all the chemical, biological, neurological, physiological responses and mechanisms within your body to make this happen. You just eat and your subconscious mind takes care of the details. If your conscious mind says that is how you will take a rate for the numbers and what will happen if the correct number is found, then leave it up to your subconscious mind to make it happen. Just rub the pad and your thumb will stick for you at the correct moment. Radionics were one of the type of technologies that was used in ancient civilizations, except they were far more advanced than ours. The mind/machines were much different than current radionic machines. Most were powered by natural earth grid energies and earth source energies found in crystals, stones, etc. They were also powered by thought, sacred geometry, sounds and more. Radionics have changed form and use throughout the ages. Medieval times revealed different types as well as some native aboriginal rituals (dancing, art, chanting, etc) were radionic in nature (much different than modern radionics). Radionics is like languages, there are so many different types, variations, branches, levels and uses. I know some people that can move stone with just their voices. I've seen it many times. They have a great knowledge of sound and harmonics but also they use the Earth as a type of radionic machine and dance a certain way which is their "rate". Their beats and steps upon the ground give them the "numbers" to make the connection between their mind, voices and their intent. Their movement upon the ground reflects sacred geometry enabling them to generate even more power (what a tribe!). This stuff can get very heavy duty and that is why it is rarely known and why you probably won't even believe this chapter. If all this seems pretty far fetched, that's OK. This is nature's way of ensuring only certain people get this knowledge. But despite the rarity of this knowledge, you will be surprised at just how many people are involved in radionic research because this is the hidden technology. Amargi BOOGIE NATION - Los Angeles, CA boogienation@earthlink.net ************************************************** <<<>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~boogienation/amargi.htm ************************************************** From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 04:25:30 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA01945; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231036.MAA04393@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Solar engine that's practical? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >The Minto engine runs VERY slowly and was discarded as a practical device >back in the 70's as I recall. > But it has a huge torque and when you convert the torque with a gear to higher speed you get a real good output. It only depends on how big you build it ! Have a look again at: http://users.aol.com/danwillett/energy/index.html regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 05:35:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA10231; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: realtime@peg.apc.org (Philip Braham) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Psychotronics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: If you are interested in radionics then you may be interested in our web site: http://malls.com/exclusive (US mirror site) http://www.peg.apc.org/~exclusive We have radionics machines as well as machines for generating orgone (or Chi) energy and light/sound machines. Regards, Phil Braham From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 05:50:47 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA11191; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231244.WAA18094@peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Psychotronics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: We've got an article on psychotronics on our mall - http://malls.com/australian-lateral-thinking It's under "ROBERT PAVLITA'S PSYCHOTRONIC GENERATOR Jim From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 08:23:22 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA24226; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231517.KAA22074@firefly.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Thermodynamics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A > >I want to build homepage with a solid disscussion about a certain >topic. To start this discussion I will ask a question. > > As a thermodynamic system what work does a refridgerater do? > Or put another way, what form of energy is the electrical power > drawn by a refridgerater converted into? > > It seems to me it is a heat exchanger ... it removes heat (energy) from one space (the inside of the refrigerator) and pumps it into another space (the outside of the refrigerator, usually the rear). So it is removing energy from one place and putting it somewhere else. They are not very efficient. It takes a lot of energy to move the energy around! I've always wanted to play with a Peltier (sp?) junction ... the solid-state material that gets cold on one side and warm on the other (moves energy from one side to the other of a solid-state junction) but the things are too darn expensive for me! Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 09:52:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA02966; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31CE5B92.6A85@dove.mtx.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Glenville Sawyer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Psychotronics ?? - Practical examples ?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Ah yes says Glenville with what is regarded as healthy skepticism .. I seem to remember a number of years ago I saw some device which appeared to be not much more than a wide ( 6-8 inches in dia ) Helical coil of Heavy gauge Cu wire, inside of this and mounted on a wooden base plate was a standard 25 watt light globe. This device was Claimed to provide power - I was never privy to an actual demonstration of the device - nor did I see any test results etc. However I was told that it did work and was based on W. Reich's work. What I would like to find would be some more practical examples of this type of device ( now I am older - and more tolerant of things that I once regarded as "physically impossible" ). No I am not Pooh-hooing the technology, but I would like to see some examples that we can get out and experiment with. I followed a couple of URL's but these led ( almost expectedly ) to an organisation that is prepared to SELL you just about anything (based on their web-page format ). So go to it, I am certain that I am not alone in this enquiry. P.S If this really does fall outside of the Freenrg-L category, then you have my humble apologies. Glenville T Sawyer ( Yes I did used to write UFO articles and developed "detector technology" many years ago - Same Fella )! Regards. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jun 23 16:19:38 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA23286; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606232301.QAA14827@galadriel.compumedia.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: skot@compumedia.com (Scott Becker) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Friends, >I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who id >afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I have >been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running >around the same track. I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman >with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. It seems to me >that with that as a starting point we might come up with a more creative >treatment the the medical establisments current tecnique of just watching >them die. If you have any ideas on this I would love to hear from you. >Remember that this thing kills so any idea no matter how farfetched is >worth consideration. Thanks > >Jim Burrows >PS >It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a >wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. > >**************************************************************************** >Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB >sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs >Seattle, WA I've heard that 2/3 of people with this that have their mercury fillings removed recover. Scott Becker From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 24 08:03:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA08002; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <86393B7BAD@enterprise.cia.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Rob Polley" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Thermodynamics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:03:48 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: skot@compumedia.com (Scott Becker) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Thermodynamics > I want to build homepage with a solid disscussion about a certain > topic. To start this discussion I will ask a question. > > As a thermodynamic system what work does a refridgerater do? > Or put another way, what form of energy is the electrical power > drawn by a refridgerater converted into? > > > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Thermodynamics > > > > > >I want to build homepage with a solid disscussion about a certain > >topic. To start this discussion I will ask a question. > > > > As a thermodynamic system what work does a refridgerater do? > > Or put another way, what form of energy is the electrical power > > drawn by a refridgerater converted into? > > > > > > It seems to me it is a heat exchanger ... it removes heat (energy) from > one space (the inside of the refrigerator) and pumps it into another > space (the outside of the refrigerator, usually the rear). So it is > removing energy from one place and putting it somewhere else. > > They are not very efficient. It takes a lot of energy to move the energy > around! > > I've always wanted to play with a Peltier (sp?) junction ... the > solid-state material that gets cold on one side and warm on the other > (moves energy from one side to the other of a solid-state junction) but > the things are too darn expensive for me! > > Zack > w9sz@prairienet.org > Hi Scott and Zack, I have worked with these devices and they bother me the same way a magnet bothers me. In both cases you just know that there is a profoundly important principle involved that has never been adequately explained. Peltier devices will also generate electricity if you create a temperature differential across them, very inefficient I seem to recall around 5%. Scott I have been teaching myself HTML just for the fun of it and would enjoy having a real project to work on, want a hand setting this new page up? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 24 15:23:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04551; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606242203.PAA10441@big.aa.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Michael Mandeville To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Psychotronics ?? - Practical examples ?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 09:45 AM 6/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >Ah yes says Glenville with what is regarded as healthy skepticism .. > > I seem to remember a number of years ago I saw some device which >appeared to be not much more than a wide ( 6-8 inches in dia ) Helical >coil of Heavy gauge Cu wire, inside of this and mounted on a wooden base >plate was a standard 25 watt light globe. > > This device was Claimed to provide power - I was never privy to an >actual demonstration of the device - nor did I see any test results etc. > > However I was told that it did work and was based on W. Reich's work. > > What I would like to find would be some more practical examples of this >type of device ( now I am older - and more tolerant of things that I >once regarded as "physically impossible" ). > > > No I am not Pooh-hooing the technology, but I would like to see some >examples that we can get out and experiment with. > > I followed a couple of URL's but these led ( almost expectedly ) to an >organisation that is prepared to SELL you just about anything (based on >their web-page format ). > > So go to it, I am certain that I am not alone in this enquiry. > > >P.S If this really does fall outside of the Freenrg-L category, then you >have my humble apologies. > > > Glenville T Sawyer > > >( Yes I did used to write UFO articles and developed "detector >technology" many years ago - Same Fella )! > > Regards. > Glenville, you pose the classic issue. There is an old saw which runs about (I am tweaking it abit) "those who don't know, promote and those who know aren't talking'. If radionics machines worked, why on earth would you want to sell them, you would be so busy using them to acquire whatever you desired... Radionics machines are a faustian 20th century displacement of the true cause - the self. The power is from the individual. Since day two of human evolution, seekers have discovered the concept of focus - and the wide extent of practice since then has generated a huge library of focusing techniques and accoutrements. I know somebody who spent $10,000 on radionics machines. He has never accomplised a single result with it. A $1 bauble will have as much effect. Save yourself some time and trouble. Those who are seeking to bend the forces of nature with their minds, zen master, on very good authority, tells you this, that the extent to which that is possible, the answer lies wholly within you, not outside you. If you need something outside of you, a mirroring device, to help you focus that what is inside you, spend $10.00 at a local rock shop for a 3" quartz crystal, which is a universal transducer (translation of any energy to any energy). From the point of the crystal, you can find the psionic, psychic, etheric, whatall energy reality which lies within you. ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jun 24 22:58:17 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA20626; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606250511.WAA12902@hungary.it.earthlink.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Michael Randall To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Scott Becker >>I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who id >>afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I have >>been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running >>around the same track. I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman >>with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. It seems to me >>that with that as a starting point we might come up with a more creative >>treatment the the medical establisments current tecnique of just watching >>them die. If you have any ideas on this I would love to hear from you. >>Remember that this thing kills so any idea no matter how farfetched is >>worth consideration. Thanks >> >>Jim Burrows >>PS >>It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a >>wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. >> >>**************************************************************************** >>Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB >>sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs >>Seattle, WA > > >I've heard that 2/3 of people with this that have their mercury fillings >removed recover. > > Scott Becker > In the book "The Cure for All Diseases", by Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D., (610 pages) available from the International Tesla Society bookstore Tel: (800)397-0137, is describe the cause and how to cure MS. As described in the book, "MS is caused by fluke parasites reaching the brain or spinal cord and attempting to multiply there. Any of the four common flukes may be responsible. Kill them immediatly with your zapper or frequency generator (434 KHz to 421 KHz). They cannot return unless you reinfect yourself." A simple device called the zapper is described (with circuit diiagram), to pulse 9 volts dc battery at 30khz to a pair of handheld metal electrodes with a Radio Shack parts list for under $25 called the Zapper. I know of an electrical engineer that makes and sells a couple of different models ($55 and $95 Australian dollars) for those who don't want to make their own. A frequency generator with a positive voltage offset would also work. An AC cycle was found to not work but only a positive offset of the AC or a pulsed DC. Michael Randall From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 25 06:35:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA16906; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 06:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 06:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1996Jun25.091724.1255.1014371@mspost.ic.gc.ca> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: steckly.gary@ic.gc.ca (Steckly, Gary: DGRB) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Lab Seminar: Bions and the Reich Blo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bill This is a bit of a synchronicity. Is the concept of Reich's "bions" anything like the somatid that Gaston Naessens of Quebec has been studying? Just this past Saturday I had an opportunity to visit with Mr. Naessens in Rock Forest Quebec, and had the opportunity to view my own blood under his "somatoscope". This is a specially modified dark field microscope that employs a unique illumination of the sample in order to get amazing magnification and resolution for a darkfield (150 angstroms resolution and up to 30,000X magnification). I wonder if DeMeo's people are using any special condensors to aid the visibility of the "bion"/somatid? Naessens has also created a special condensor that you can fit to a standard darkfield microscope which will aid in seeing the somatid. It doesn't increase the magnification or resolution, but somehow magnifies the difraction rings around these things and improves their visibility. Interesting stuff! Gary ---------- From: freenrg-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lab Seminar: Bions and the Reich Blood Test (fwd) Date: 23 June, 1996 00:00 Received: from clark.dgim.doc.ca by mspost.ic.gc.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Jun23.030921.1255.664909; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:09:22 -0400 Received: from mail.eskimo.com by clark.dgim.doc.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1.tee) id AA21167; Sun, 23 Jun 96 03:06:46 EDT Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA08906; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lab Seminar: Bions and the Reich Blood Test (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:20:53 -0800 From: James DeMeo To: OBRL Forward - primary Subject: Lab Seminar: Bions and the Reich Blood Test Please Copy and Post the Following to Other Interested Individuals, Groups and Lists *********************************** A N N O U N C I N G Laboratory Microscopy Workshop on Wilhelm Reich's Biophysical Discoveries Bions and the Reich Blood Test 3-4 August 1996: Laboratory Workshop on Bions and the Reich Blood Test Covering the following general topics: * Wilhelm Reich's Discovery of Bions, and the Cancer Biopathy. * Lab demonstration and microscopical observations of bions from both living and non-living materials; discussion of basic phenomena, sterile technique. * Problems and controversies; recent discovery and observation of bion-like structures by other scientists. * Lab demonstration of the Reich Blood Test. Instructors: Richard Blasband, M.D. & Stephen Nagy, M.D., assisted by James DeMeo, Ph.D. If you have a good microscope, please bring it. A microscope video-display system will be provided for those who cannot. demonstrations, videos, slides, handouts. In the 1930s, while investigating the bioenergetic aspects of human emotion and sexuality, Dr. Wilhelm Reich discovered a small microscopical vesicle, which he later called the *bion*, which lay at the border between the worlds of living and non-living matter. Bions could form, as Reich discovered, from either living or non-living matter which had been subjected to the process of disintegration and swelling. Bions then could, under specific conditions, develop into known micro-organisms, such as protozoa, thereby demonstrating a solution to the "origins of life" question. Originally criticized as a "contaminant" by microbiologists, Reich developed various control procedures to rule out such possibilities, including the heating of his solutions to very high temperatures and high-pressure autoclavation. Reich also demonstrated a parallel in the bionous development of protozoans in soils or pond water, to the development of similar protozoan cancer cells in the biopathic organism. The discovery of bions paralleled another discovery of Reich, that of the biological *orgone energy*, or life energy. Bions which developed from the disintegration of highly charged substances were bluish in coloration, and highly energetic in movement and function, while those which developed from energetically weak materials (or weakly-charged tissues) developed into smaller, darker forms of a more toxic nature, which he called *t-bacilli*. In general, Reich's t-bacilli were found in abundance in cancer patients, but not in healthier people. He furthermore developed a specialized bioenergetic blood test, which reflected the overall life-energetic condition of the organism, and its tendency toward health or biopathic conditions. Reich's discoveries on bions, biogenesis, and the cancer biopathy have been replicated and verified over the years, and predate similar findings by other researchers working in more orthodox and classical institutions. Reich emphasis upon emotions, sexuality, and the biophysical orgone (life energy) charging of tissues remains unique, however. This laboratory workshop on Bions and the Reich Blood Test is a first-time offering on the West Coast, and will be led by Richard Blasband, M.D. and Stephen Nagy, M.D., both of whom have many years of experience investigating the works of Wilhelm Reich. Both have previously served as faculty for similar courses on the East Coast. Assisting will be James DeMeo, Ph.D., Director of OBRL. Several microscopes will be set up and operating, one with video-display capabilities, but students are encouraged to bring their own microscopes. The workshop will present the basics of Reich's bion discoveries, and the basic techniques for the Reich blood test. Discussion will be given for the more complex aspects of Reich's microbiological discoveries, for which insufficient time may prevent demonstrations. The workshop is geared for biological and/or health professionals, but is also suitable for educated laypeople and students in the biological sciences. Call or email if you have questions about this, or other matters. Third in a Series: "Greensprings 1996" Building Upon the Discoveries of the Late Dr. Wilhelm Reich Orgone Biophysical Research Lab ( http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ) A Non-Profit Science Research and Educational Foundation, Since 1978. Greensprings Center PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon, 97520 USA James DeMeo, Ph.D., Director More Information: A four-page descriptive brochure will soon be available, along with speaker biographies. Also a list of nearby motels, inns, restaurants, and other facilities will be sent upon request. The area is loaded with recreational attractions and beautiful natural wonders. Call, write, fax or e-mail for more information. Times: 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM each day, Saturday and Sunday. Where: At the new O.B.R.L. Greensprings Center, 20 miles east of Ashland, Oregon in the forests of the Siskiyou Mountains. A street address and map will be sent to all registrants. Cost: $150 per full weekend event; half-price for full-time students (documentation required). Limited to 30 participants; Early registration advised, with payment to the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab (or simply, "O.B.R.L.") Send to: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab Greensprings, PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA 541/ 552-0118 telephone/fax e-mail to: demeo@mind.net ************************************************ Other forthcoming workshops (inquire for details, or visit the OBRL web site at: http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ) 20-21 July 1996: The Orgone Energy Accumulator: Construction and Use 28-29 September 1996: Seminar on Drought, Desert and Forest Death To obtain a complete set of descriptive flyers and a detailed Seminar/Workshop announcement, plus our 22-page unusual science book and product catalog, send us your complete postal mailing address. "Love, work and knowledge are the wellsprings of our lives, they should also govern it" - Wilhelm Reich ************************************************ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 25 09:17:13 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA19002; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >>Friends, >>I have a somewhat strange request of all of you. I have a friend who id >>afflicted with multiple sclerosis and it is slowly killing him. I have >>been working on trying to understand this ailment but I keep running >>around the same track. I have however heard of one strange cure. A woman >>with the disability was struck by lightning and was cured. It seems to me >>that with that as a starting point we might come up with a more creative >>treatment the the medical establisments current tecnique of just watching >>them die. If you have any ideas on this I would love to hear from you. >>Remember that this thing kills so any idea no matter how farfetched is >>worth consideration. Thanks >> >>Jim Burrows >>PS >>It not all that bleak. This guy has a good life and great kids and a >>wonderful wife so in many ways he is a real lucky man. >> >>**************************************************************************** >>Jim Burrows THE SCIENCE CLUB >>sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs >>Seattle, WA > >Check out colloidal minerals and the work of Joel Wallach, N.D. He claims >that such degenerative diseases are the result of rare earth mineral >deficiencies. Dr. Wallach's treatment as described on page 151 of his book "Let's Play Doctor" is: Removal of dental fillings. Use of CaEAP at 1 q.i.d. octocosanal at two capsules t.i.d. snake venom injections daily d-phenylalanine at 500 mg t.i.d. betaine HCL and pancreatic enzymes at 75-200 mg t.i.d. avoid known food allergens, rotate diet avoid vitamin C supplementation (eat green vegies and juices instead) He claims this treatment is also effective for Lou Gehrig's Disease. He recommends colloidal minerals for the mineral supplementation. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU WEB site: http://www.rt66.com/~richard/ ------------------------------------------------------- Institute for Planetary Renewal From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 25 13:25:23 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08247; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear Jim; If you would like to give me a call, I manufacture ozone generators and have people who have experienced significant improvements from using same. It's not a silver bullet, but, perhaps only lightning is the only silver bullet hear. Byrun (604) 524-4062. Mention you heard about me from free eng. on net. Take care From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 25 17:04:42 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21004; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606252226.AAA12170@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Package came in today ! Big thanks ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear Evan, your package came in today and I have already viewed the 2 video tapes ! Great footage. The first tape I already did know from my earlier purchase from you a few years ago, but the second tape with the new pump demo was real nice ! Interesting to see you both now with long hair ! :) Anyway, thanks again for supporting my WEB server with this new material ! As you have written the note on the new design paper, sure I can put this up with a password protected, like the theory article in my www.overunity.de/theory.htm page. Then you will get the usernames of the users, who have downloaded it by email. Should I go forward and do it this way ? In this moment I am pretty busy with other things, but I hope I will have a bit spare time next week to do it. BTW, are there any measurement data on the new pump motor shown in the second video tape ? How much electrical power goes into it ? I guess it was said about 3000 Volts and how much milliamps ? About 2 to 5 milliamps ? What is the mechanical power in Watts it produces ? Okay, the meter does not turn, but did somebody yet measure the real mechanical power it produces at a given electrical input ? Did Joe or somebody else already build a huger motor on this new coil setup and capacitors other than the FAN motor ? With this setup a bigger motor should really fly ! ALso Aluminium wire could help to reduce the cost of the total wire as there was pointed out in one question. I think, it could also help to use Aluminium foil maybe 2 or 3 inches wide to wind a coil. This would help to get a big capacitance between the windings of the coil and support greatly the stored energy effect inside the coil !! Has anybody tried it yet with such a foil winding configuration ? What about the porsche car motor ? Does this still work ? Or was this destroyed during the testing ? Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jun 25 20:39:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03090; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606260321.UAA16070@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Microwave lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:50:56 >To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com >From: wesly crosiar >Subject: Re:Microwave lawnmower engine > >what is unique about the engine? How does it work? What does it >>run on? (This is the first time I have heard of this experiement) >> >> thanks >> >> John >> >> John: most of the information about the lawnmower engine is at >http://www.eskimocom/wbilb/freenrgyl/magputt.txt >[and]:http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/list.html >[Overunity lawnmower engine messages.] > >????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >HAS ANYBODY DUPLICATED [EDWARDS NEAT SOLAR CELL EFFECT] LOCATED AT: >http://www.livelinks.com/summeria/free/edwards.html >It looks like a $60.00 one hour overunity project?????????????? > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jun 26 21:06:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04456; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606260716.RAA02903@clothes.peg.apc.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: jfrancis@peg.apc.org (Jim Francis) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, June 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Dear Jim; > >If you would like to give me a call, I manufacture ozone generators and have >people who have experienced significant improvements from using same. > >It's not a silver bullet, but, perhaps only lightning is the only silver >bullet hear. > >Byrun (604) 524-4062. > >Mention you heard about me from free eng. on net. > >Take care > Hi Byrun....mate..I'm going to flick your email on to Phil Braham..he has the exclusive products shopfront on my mall. He specialises in this type of product.. Thanks Jim From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 00:11:45 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA04635; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31D1D0C3.1E71@introtech.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Henry Eisenson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Freenrg! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: WOW! I thought the freenrg list had imploded -- this is the first I've seen in a month or more. I did see that Newman/Soule' et al created their own list, however, so even if the medium HAD died the message could continue. Henry ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| INTROTECH A path to the world's largest market 6336 Greenwich Drive San Diego, CA 92122 (619) 453-7600, fax 552-9050 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 09:14:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12974; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Freenrg! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >WOW! > >I thought the freenrg list had imploded -- this is the first I've seen >in a month or more. > >I did see that Newman/Soule' et al created their own list, however, so >even if the medium HAD died the message could continue. > >Henry > >||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >INTROTECH A path to the world's largest market >6336 Greenwich Drive >San Diego, CA 92122 >(619) 453-7600, fax 552-9050 Dear Henry: Like the message the new medium is alive and goes forward. Evan Soule' josephnewman@earthlink.net (504) 524-3063 P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, LA 70157 Joseph Newman may be reached at: (601) 947-7147 Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 "An invention whose time has come" From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 12:50:52 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27174; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I recently posted a special Report concerning proposed environmental effects of the HAARP "secret" project in Alaksa. The following was a reply I received: [If anyone on freenrg-l has future updates on the HAARP Project, I'll be happy to post them throughout the net. -- Evan] ----------------------------------------------- >To: josephnewman@earthlink.net > >A friend of mine sent me a message concerning energy transmissions (Alaska >>area) that you sent to him. After reading the findings of the Major, and >my >familiarization with HAARP, I have arrived at a different conclusion. > >Due to the nature of the subject, it is advisable to be careful what you >put on >the net. Most people are really concerned about our ecosystem, and >rightly >should. Should *anyone* cause a true security breach, visits >from very unhappy >representatives are sure to occur. > >Douglas Walker Dear Douglas: Please indicate, if you would, more specifically what is your "different conclusion?" You may rest assured that as additional information becomes available (and a series of most interesting expose'(s) are soon anticipated) it will be posted on the internet. "Security" is in the eye of the beholder. The greatest security we have is an intelligent, AWARE people. And, if you would, be a bit more specific as to who are these "unhappy representatives." We like names, addresses, and telephone numbers. We look forward to "visits from very unhappy representatives" -- because they will be sent straight to HELL. Best regards, Evan Soule' (504) 524-3063 josephnewman@earthlink.net Joseph Newman (601) 947-7147 Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 P.S. Does anyone know anything about "APTA"? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 17:01:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19261; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31D300B4.6F4E@vvm.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Brent Davidson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Gravitational Propulsion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: This is a reprint of a message I ran across while looking for Ion Wind information From: ruge@linux1.wmd.de (Swen Ruge;WMD GmbH) Subject: Re: AntiGravity / Biefeld-Brown Date: 4 Jan 94 14:00:06 GMT Lines: 95 I found this in the "krill.papers"-file from ftp.rutgers.edu:/pub/ufo/: # Gravitational Propulsion # # Well, I have gotten this far in explaining some things to # you. I might as well turn to my favorite subject of all -- # gravitational propulsion. The best place to start is with the # efforts of a personal acquaintance of mine who had the good # fortune to meet in England -- Mr. J. R. Searl. His investigations # into gravitational propulsion have proven to be quite revealing -- # he's done it, and I want to tell you about it. # In 1949, he was employed by the Midlands Board as an # electronic fitter. He was very enthusiastic about the subject of # electricity, though he had no formal education on the subject # other than was required by his job. Unhindered by conventional # ideas about electricity, he carried out his own investigation into # the subject. During work on electrical motors and generators, he # noticed that a small electromotive force (EMF) was produced by the # spinning metal parts -- the negative toward the outside and the # positive toward the rotational axis. # In 1950, he experimented with rotating slip rings and # measured a small EMF on a conventional meter. He also noticed that # when the rings were spinning freely and no electrical current was # taken, his hair bristled. His conclusions were that free electrons # in the metal were spun out by centrifugal force being produced by # the static field in the metal. He then decided to build a # generator on the same principle. # It had a segmented rotor disc, passing through electromagnets # at its periphery. The electromagnets were energized from the # rotor, and were intended to boost the EMF. # By 1952, the first generator had been constructed and was # about three feet in diameter. It was tested in the open by Searl # and a friend. The armature was set in motion by a small engine. # The device produced the expected electrical power, but at an # unexpectedly high potential. At relatively low armature speeds a # potential of the order of 10^5 volts was produced, as indicated by # static effects on nearby objects. # The really unexpected then occurred. While still speeding up, # the generator lifted and rose to a height of about 50 feet above # the ground, breaking the union between itself and the engine. Here # it stayed for a while, still speeding up and surrounding itself # with a pink glow. This indicated ionization of air at a much # reduced pressure of about 10^-3 mm Hg. More interesting was the # side effect, causing local radio receivers to go on by themselves. # Finally, the whole generator accelerated at a fantastic rate and # is thought to have gone off into space. # Since that day, Searl and others have made some ten or more # small flying craft, some of which have been similarly lost, and # have developed a form of control. Larger craft have been built -- # some 12 feet and two 30 feet in diameter. # Once the machine has passed a certain threshold of potential # voltage, the energy output exceeds the input. The energy output # seems to be virtually limitless. We made some measurements when I # was there, and as far as we could see, the estimated output is # somewhere in the vicinity of 10^13 to 10^15 watts. Above what # appears to be the threshold potential, some 10^13 volts, the # generator and attached parts become inertia-free. There is also # some "matter snatch" upon acceleration away from the ground, since # it tends to take a little "turf" with it when it goes. # Analyzing what is happening is fairly easy. What the # generator is doing is placing a "stress" on the ambient space # around it. The space breaks down to provide the magnetism to # relieve the stress, but the energy by-product is absorbed by the # generator, which reinforces the field. # It should be noted at this point that only a very small # amount of space fabric passes through the craft and an even # smaller amount is converted for energy. However, I have noticed # that small changes in etheric forces lead to large physical # effects. It was aptly demonstrated and I was impressed. # Recently, Mr. Searl had (1987) a brush with authorities, when # he began simply generating his own power for his own house. Now he # doesn't have a very large house, but the Utility Board didn't like # the fact that they had lost their monopoly. Now he lives in # Birmingham under an assumed name. Simple, eh? # # # Digitized by, and available from, IllumiNet BBS -- 4043771141 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 17:05:01 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19514; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6BkN9iCPldB@ddd.snafu.de> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@ddd.snafu.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Energy machine updates ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, please have a look at my WEB site: http://www.overunity.de Go to my Newman pages and have a look at the information you find over there. It is not yet completed, but I have a few major new ideas to build a very powerful new Newman machine motor. I am looking for support from some investors who are willing to spend money into this project and will benefit a lot of it, when it will be successful. Please contact me, if you are interested ! Please let us bring forward a new revolution in energy production now ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de or harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 17:06:05 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19736; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606272349.BAA19489@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Freenrg! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >>WOW! >> >>I thought the freenrg list had imploded -- this is the first I've seen >>in a month or more. >> >>I did see that Newman/Soule' et al created their own list, however, so >>even if the medium HAD died the message could continue. >> >>Henry >> >>||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >>INTROTECH A path to the world's largest market >>6336 Greenwich Drive >>San Diego, CA 92122 >>(619) 453-7600, fax 552-9050 > >Dear Henry: > >Like the message the new medium is alive and goes forward. > >Evan Soule' >josephnewman@earthlink.net >(504) 524-3063 >P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, LA 70157 > >Joseph Newman may be reached at: >(601) 947-7147 >Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 > >"An invention whose time has come" > > Also Henry seems not to care about personal email he gets, so why he is then asking about the traffic over here ???? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 20:20:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA29359; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606280013.CAA19585@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Energy machine updates ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, please have a look at my WEB site: http://www.overunity.de Go to my Newman page and have a look at the information you find over there. It is not yet completed, but I have a few major new ideas , which are not yet on this site, to build a very powerful new Newman machine motor. I am looking for support from some investors who are willing to spend money into this project and will benefit a lot of it, when it will be successful. Please contact me, if you are interested ! Please let us bring forward a new revolution in energy production now ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 20:21:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA29701; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Creation of ball lightning by accident (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 20:15:29 CDT From: morra@onramp.net To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Creation of ball lightning by accident Bill, I thought you might be interested in my account of ball lightning. Regards, Steve Morra Received: from .onramp.net (dal09.onramp.net [199.1.11.109]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA14322; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 10:06:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199606081506.KAA14322@mailhost.onramp.net> From: morra@onramp.net (Morra) To: jbazemor@evans.cudenver.edu Subject: Re: Is Ball Lightning a Real Phenomena? Cc: morra@onramp.net Date: Sat, 08 Jun 96 14:05:33 GMT X-UIDL: 3368fdd3f609af5c3c361c9a6583ef2c >And if it is real, does anyone know how to create it? Yes, it is real. First saw it during a summer thunderstorm in Ohio while looking out the back door. Brilliant white basketball sized ball. When my eye caught sight of it, it was about 30 feet off the ground in the middle of our open back lot. It floated down to about 6 feet in a few seconds and then broke apart in a fraction of a second. Yes it can be created. I did so 25 years ago in an engineering lab by accident. The following account could be repeated. I was prototyping a switching power supply for an oscilloscope. It rectified the 120 VAC line into high voltage DC which was the "B+" source for a DC to DC converter. I wound the transformer coils for the DC to DC converter with a center taped primary, several separate low voltage secondary coils (for +5 VDC, +/-15 VDC, and about +300 VDC uses), and one high voltage coil for the oscilliscope CRT anode voltage of around +10 to +15 Kilovolts DC. The center tap of the primary was connected to the "B+" DC source. The two other primary wires were driven by a pair of bipolar power transistors. The transistors were operated in a complimentary push-push pulse width modulated arrangement based on feedback of one of the low voltage secondary coils. The switching frequency was set just above the hearing range at about 30 kilohertz. The high voltage secondary was connected to a half-wave bridge circuit consisting of a high voltage rectifier diode and a high voltage capacitor. The rectifier was about 1.5 or 2 inches long and the capacitor was about an inch diameter and 2.5 inches long. I don't remember the capacitor value, perhaps about 0.01 microfarad or so, but it doesn't really matter for this account. The whole circuit was mounted on a printed circuit board. The diode anode went to the secondary coil and the cathode went to the capacitor. I accidently generated ball lightning while working on the circuit refinements. I had disconnected the high voltage rectifier diode from the capacitor so the diode lead was hanging in the air above the circuit board about an inch from any conductor. I had switched on the DC-DC converter, took some measurements, and switched it off again. I had a test lead connected to the ground return side of the high voltage capacitor that I used during my work to insure the capacitor was discharged before I touched it. So I picked up the lead to discharge the capacitor so I could reconnect the high voltage rectifier diode. As I brought the lead towards the capacitor, I saw a yellow- green sphere of electrons about 1/2 inch diameter sitting on the surface of the pc board underneath the diode lead and in between all the parts. I had already moved the lead too close to the ball to stop, and so the ball of electrons was simply "sucked" into the ground lead. So I reconnected the diode and went on with my experiments. Later that night, I realized what had happened and that I had generated ball lightning. When the diode was disconnected, the DC-DC converter acted as a charge pump. The high voltage secondary and diode simply pumped electrons out into the very low capacitance of the air dielectric and the loose rectifier lead. The location of the charge ball on the pc board was shrouded from breezes that could blow the ball away. I didn't have the opportunity to repeat the experiment, as the circuit was put into production a few days later and I had to set up another job. And so, I think it would be pretty easy for a sharp young electrical engineer to reproduce the important parts of this apparatus: the 30 KHz switching frequency, a 10 KV secondary, a 1.5 to 2 inch long high voltage rectifier diode, an insulated region to catch the electron ball, and a ground plate or plane on the opposite side of the insulated region. This electron ball setup electrically appears as an air dielectric capacitor where the diode cathode is one plate and the ground plate on the opposite side of the insulated region is the other plate. The insulated region could be formed from common FR-4 pc board material and the ground plane from the copper cladding on one side. More FR-4 could be used to make walls to restrain the electron ball. ----------------------------------------------------- E-mail morra@onramp.net URL http://rampages.onramp.net/~morra/index.html ----------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jun 27 20:26:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA29529; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9606280051.AA27388@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: dotyd@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us (David Doty) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cold Fusion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I tested a 50 ml. saturated in H2O of Potassiam-bicarbonate with 2 Nickle electrodes 1 1/2 inches appart with about 125 amps and ? volts for 10 minutes. The solution became full of gas bubbles and increased 10 degrees centigrade. My electrical supply burned up. How could I build an electrical supply converting AC to 25-40 Volts DC with lower amps? The Output/input ratios are 10:1 See for more info Please send me e-mail at dotyd@mail.clackesd.or.us > >David Doty, > >Custodian at Ackerman Junior High for the >Canby School District 86 >home 503 266 3969 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 28 13:02:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA04245; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606282115.VAA12630@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Conference in St. Petersburg X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Just a week ago, from 17 to 22 June, a conference was held in St. Petersburg, Russia, with the title . I would like to tell you about the event, although by no means can I give a full account or anything even approaching it. Things escaped me as many talks were in russian and the translations were not quite professional. Abstracts of the talks are available somewhere on the net. Here is the URL: http://q.continuum.net/~vead/conf/index.html And here are my personal impressions. The conference was a first for the organising committee but was well run and well attended. Proceedings in english should be available in September this year through Alexander Frolov, whose email address is "Alexander V. Frolov" Attendance was mostly russian, (about 100 - 120 persons) with some 25 to 30 foreigners from various countries. It was a dissidents' conference and some of the talks were low level (not up to scientific standard) but most were extremely interesting. Topics ranged from economics to structure of space and time, unified field theories, thermodynamics, gravitation, inertial propulsion and space energy production. Several attendants came from such mainstream entities as the russian space administration, (counterpart of NASA) and other state run or state controlled entities. An impressive talk was by A.E. Akimov, on torsion fields and their practical application. It seems that there is a large reservoir in Russia of theoretical data on free energy and related areas, as these things have been discussed more freely than in the west, although much could not be published in the official journals, just as has been the case in the west. Zielinski from, I believe, Belgium, reported on a fully engineered solid state space energy solution, but without giving any technical details. This was unfortunate as from what he said, it sounded good. But without proof .. I myself gave a talk on a new conception of space co-ordinates and another one on thermodynamics from a, I would say, philosophical viewpoint. You can see the full text of these on my home page, which I urge you to visit. http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger The comparatively very slim attendance from the US seems to confirm a suspicion I have, that Russia as a potential source for scientific research is vastly underestimated in the west, and in particular in the US. True, the conference was not anything 'official' and I have even seen it referred to as 'the crackpot conference' somewhere on the net. But having been there, I believe that in the new energy field, Russia is one of the major players, together with Japan and the US. At least Japan was represented with a very attentive delegation. For further information, I am afraid you will have to ask Frolov, whose address is given above. Regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it check out my home page: http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 28 14:32:31 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24177; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cold Fusion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > How could I build an electrical supply converting AC to 25-40 Volts DC with > lower amps? Well, you *could* just use batteries...2 automobile-type batteries would give you 24VDC at almost any amperage you would like. Just include some method for current limiting...resistors, diodes, that type of thing would work just fine. -- Chuck Knight From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 28 16:00:51 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10080; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: chuck@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (Chuck Knight) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: My web site is up! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi guys...I finally got my web site up. I included a page of some of the free-energy stuff I'm interested in, too. I'd appreciate it if y'all came by and took a look around. Also, I have designed a t-shirt for this list...it's the launch of my new business, so I'd appreciate any support y'all could give. The URL is http://www.flash.net/~cknight Hope ya' like it! -- Chuck Knight http://www.flash.net/~cknight From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jun 28 18:51:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07393; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9606290139.AA01850@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: dotyd@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us (David Doty) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Chuck Knight Lower Amp? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Seeking to fine an experimental electrical source for a Cold Fusion experiment. Dear Chuck Knight, I do not know much about automotive or electrical current limiting...resistors or diodes. I will have to ask for more info to get lower amps. Thanks for responding to my request in seeking a way to get 24-40VDC using two automobile batteries hooked up together. Sincerely, David Doty From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jun 29 15:47:52 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02769; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Natural Philosophy Alliance: A New Scholarly Scientific Society Challenging Popular Dogmas X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm Forwarded Announcement ********** A N N O U N C E M E N T=20 The Natural Philosophy Alliance The Natural Philosophy Alliance (NPA) was organized in 1994 by a few dozen physical scientists and other scholars who had gathered in June of that year in San Francisco, in conjunction with the annual meeting of the Pacific Division of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). Several special sessions were organized on the theme "Problems in Contemporary Views in Physics and Astronomy". The NPA has since organized further meetings, including two in 1995; in Norman, Oklahoma in May, in Vancouver, B.C. in June, along with the Southwestern and Rocky Mountain (SWARM) and Pacific Divisions of the AAAS, respectively. This latter meeting, held in Flagstaff on the campus of the University of Northern Arizona in June of 1996, was focused upon "New Frontiers in Physics and Cosmology" (more about this most recent meeting below). The NPA has tried to organize symposia for the much larger and more prominent AAAS national meetings, but has so far been denied this opportunity, being opposed by the adherents of scientific concepts which NPA members are generally critical of (such as "relativity" and the "Big Bang" cosmological theories). The NPA has also held a few small local meetings, and has encouraged participation by its members at recent international meetings, in Russia and in Italy. Also, the NPA has plans to publish a Proceedings from its various meetings.=20 Foremost among the guidelines by which the NPA operates is a wide-ranging tolerance of a great variety of ideas -- of course assuming a certain level of scientific competence on the part of those offering the ideas. We insist on avoiding the narrow and dogmatic approach that prevails in academic physics, and instead wish to emulate the more open-minded and diverse scholarship in such fields as geology and biology. We also heavily discourage political, religious, ethnic, and racial bias. We are quick to point out, for example, that our criticisms of special and general relativity do not involve criticism of Einstein as a person, or of his social or philosophical ideas, or at least in most cases, of the bulk of his wide-ranging scientific work. "Natural Philosophy" is the name by which "physics" was known in the time of Isaac Newton, and well into the 19th century. We return to it mainly in order to emphasize that a deeper, more profound, more philosophical approach to studying nature needs to be revived, to help escape and to move beyond today's errors. Many such errors are based on explicit contempt for philosophy, in favor of a "scientism" that has tried to apply the scientific approach beyond its legitimate range -- such as in the attempt to monopolize the understanding of time and space, which are present in every field. HOW WILL THE WORLD BE BETTER IF WE ACHIEVE OUR AIMS? Besides restoring a proper measure of realizm, objectivity and validity to physical science, and of tolerance to the way its work is done, we believe that major practical applications of science, thus far only glimpsed in limited ways, will be made possible -- rather than mythical applications such as nuclear energy, which in reality does not depend on relativity theory. Physics has been at an impasse for most of the 20th centiry, as even a few frank critics within its midst -- e.g., Joseph Schwartz and Rob Oldershaw -- have argued. Once this is overcome, new technology, such as new energy sources that depend largely on the electromagnetic aether that today's relativists deny exists, can help to meet the pressing human needs. We might also go beyond our current very limited knowledge of the nature of electricity, magnetism, and gravity, perhaps enabling us to develop new, more varied and effective, means of transportation. The possibilities are immense. Maybe even more important, once the flaws in special relativity (SR) are revealed, the relativism and associated subjectivism that has spread so widely throughout the world of ideas, from Nietzsche's iconoclasm to Derrida's recent "deconstructionism", will lose its most impressive scientific support -- as SR is despite not being well understood in most disciplines. Thenceforth it will be more difficult to maintain that truth and values are not absolute, objective, eternal, and/or rationally based; even as remote as it seems from physics, ethical relativsm will be weakened, and the concept of lasting moral standards will be strengthened.= =20 (This is not to say, of course, that any particular set of moral standards will thereby be supported.) Also once the emptiness of big bang cosmology is revealed, those religious sects who have been offering it as proof of some part of their own theology -- as it never really was -- will have to depend again on the strength of that theology itself; and concede that science and religion each have their own realms, religion dealing with issues extending well beyond what science can learn. -- John E. Chappell, Jr. (1996) ********** The Natural Philosophy Alliance is composed of over 100 scientific and scholarly members from 14 nations. At the recent Flagstaff NPA meeting, hosted by the Southwestern and Rocky Mountain (SWARM) Division of the AAAS in Flagstaff, Arizona, there were 81 papers presented; 47 in direct connection with the official meeting, and 34 in independent sessions. Among the current theories being questioned by NPA members are the big bang theory and special relativity theory (SR). Most NPA members maintain that no evidence cited on behalf of either theory is more than equivocal in meaning, and that the meanings now taught often result from invalid logic and math. SR is only one of many types of relativism that have flourished throughout academia in the 20th century. As those other relativisms imply, the evidence claimed for SR can be interpreted differently, depending upon the viewpoint of the interpreter. In his famous analysis of change in scientific thought, Thomas Kuhn shows that even in hard science, choice of paradigm often depends on such varying views -- often non-scientific ones.= =20 In physics, the motivating bias seems to be a preference for bizarre and irrational ideas, while distaining common sense and philosophy, including basic logic. Many NPA members also strongly support a resurection of the older idea of aether, which was prematurely discarded, on questionable experimental grounds. Thus, the fact that nearly all academic physicsts support SR proves nothing about its validity, but only that a clique of "true believers" has had enough power to keep its critics at bay through unrelenting intolerance: doubting students are forced into other majors, dissident papers are excluded from mainline journals and meetings, etc. As part of the NPA program, there are regular special sessions on "Suppression of Innovative Thought" in academia, citing other disciplines as well as physics. Here are a few of the presenters at the recent Flagstaff meeting: Grote Reber -- the principal founder of the science of radio astronomy, who built the world's first radiotelescope. Long a critic of big bang theory, he came from Australia to speak. Ron Hatch -- internationally honored expert on the GPS satellite system. Domina Eberle Spencer -- Univ. of Connecticut mathematician and most widely published living critic of today's electromagnetic theory. Half Fox and Dan Davidson, leading representatives of the "new energy" movement, discussing practical examples of new energy sources which depend upon the idea of an energetic aether. Francisco M=FCller -- NPA President, who has produced experimental evidence contradicting SR. Meetings of this type began in Europe in the 1980s, and some have been much larger than the Flagstaff meeting. Two weeks of dissident physics sessions will be held in Sept. 1996 in St. Petersburg, Russia (for details, ask Neil Munch, address below). ********** For more information about the Natural Philosophy Alliance, contact any one of the individuals below. Or, become a supporter and member of the NPA now, and send your check of $15 membership dues (made out to "Natural Philosophy Alliance"): - Lee Shimmin (NPA Membership Chairman), 7110 Tickner St., Houston, TX 770= 55 email: lee_shimmin@msn.com - Neil Munch (NPA Assistant Director), 9400 Five Logs Way, Gaithersburg, MD= =20 email: 70047.2123@compuserve.com - John Chappell (NPA Director), 1212 Drake Circle, San Luis Obispo, CA 936= 05