From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 01:23:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA29966; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:23:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:23:35 -0700 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 04:23:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200007010823.EAA13206@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Resent-Message-ID: <"rxuki1.0.7K7.6gQNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tim writes: >>a >>renaissance man. > >Just what is this suppose to mean anyway??? And dose anyone know were it >came from??? > >Timothy... The Renaissance is a term used to describe a time in European history when there was a great deal of scientific discovery, artistic expression, and philosophical development. A Renaissance Man was someone who educated himself or became educated to a high degree in a variety of disciplines. An example would be someone who is say, a practicing experimenter in Physics, a gourmet cook, plays classical piano, and writes philosophical essays for publication. You could substitute any endeavor for the ones given above, but hopefully you get the idea. Ben Franklin was considered a Renaissance Man because of his expertise in so many diverse fields. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 03:19:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA14434; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:18:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: <012701bfe344$b5582fc0$d4cbfea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: References: <200007010823.EAA13206@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 02:43:56 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ouBH22.0.NX3.0MSNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is not exactly so . A Renaissance is a period of the return to the Greek classical ideals in art, literature and political agenda. The fact is nevertheless, that during this period Europe still was mostly ignorant and illiterate and whatever was happening ( we call it Renaissance ) had left most impact on the architecture of the churches and palaces than on the mass culture. Europe then was still decimated after the crusades and own prolonged wars, famines and various plagues that took place durimng the medieval late period ( 12/14 century) and people of later period ( 15/16 Century ) decided to enjoy life while it lasted. The morality veil was lifted a bit Boccacio ); artists became interested in Greek art and sculpture and appreaciate the beauty of a naked body ( Giotto ) ; towns begun to spread around the Magnates's palaces and trade to flourish ( Venetian merchants ) while feudalism slowly to disappear with the rise of the first solid bourgeois class. After the medieval darkness this was the first break of light, whence it is called the Renaissance. Anna From: "Michael T Huffman" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? > Tim writes: > >>a > >>renaissance man. > > > >Just what is this suppose to mean anyway??? And dose anyone know were it > >came from??? > > > >Timothy... > > The Renaissance is a term used to describe a time in European history when > there was a great deal of scientific discovery, artistic expression, and > philosophical development. A Renaissance Man was someone who educated > himself or became educated to a high degree in a variety of disciplines. An > example would be someone who is say, a practicing experimenter in Physics, a > gourmet cook, plays classical piano, and writes philosophical essays for > publication. You could substitute any endeavor for the ones given above, > but hopefully you get the idea. Ben Franklin was considered a Renaissance > Man because of his expertise in so many diverse fields. > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 11:11:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20934; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:10:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:10:18 -0700 Message-ID: <395E331F.C888BC98@harti.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 20:06:23 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9-3YA3.0.w65.AGZNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: www.wasserauto.de Hi all , there is a new german site about the watercar from Dingle and Meyer. It is called: http://www.wasserauto.de He has the movies on his site which I digitized for overunity.com -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 18:02:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA16375; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:02:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:02:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702010135.31819.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.230.218.125] From: "Mister Boffo" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:01:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"alizC3.0.i_3.EIfNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer I've long had an interest in this technology known as scalar energy and always wanted to find some way to detect it. Supposedly you can detect "paranormal energies" with your body, but after some long thorough explorations, I find it hard to tell if whatever I'm "sensing" is real or if it's just my imagination. That's why I find this gradiometer so interesting. Finally, a device so I can get a "Second Opinion" on what my biology seems to be sensing... http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/grado.html Except there's a problem. Uh, I guess I'm a bit clueless about circuit layout and design and all that. Yes, I can identify the components and I could probably breadboard it, but it'd look a mess and probably wouldn't work very well at all. Is there anybody who's actually made some printed-circuit etchings for this thing, and if so could I buy a board (or get a copy of your etching mask) and KNOW that it's being done correctly? While I may be clueless about the electronics details, I am definitely not short on ideas here. If there's a way to make them inexpensively, I think it'd be interesting to build not just one, but maybe a whole "layer" or "cube" of them. Whatever the detector is detecting is likely to be far more than a mere point measurement but rather a 2D or 3D field. If so, you could probably set up a laptop to record the data and map it out on the screen. Such mapping would probably be very crude with the sensor points being maybe inches apart, but it'd still probably give a far better "picture" of what's going on than just using a single detector and waving it around. This of course brings up the issue of "tuning" a whole slew of detectors to all have the same sensitivity. Heck, how can you even be sure the "setup/testing area" for this sort of "alignment" will in fact be "flat" so the sensors really are balanced properly? Unknown. I guess that would have to be determined down the road in actual testing. :-) Except for right now, I'd just like to get ONE of them put together and working. Anybody got any circuit board layout diagrams they could share? -Mr. Boffo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 18:16:41 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA20377; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:16:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:16:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702011539.24455.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: now for something completely different... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iE7pN2.0.I-4.WVfNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Nick Reiter wrote: > > Hello, all; > > Here is a mystery for today. I will welcome any > decent input on it, from > perspectives of chemistry or material science, or > electromagnetics. I have > not witnessed this first hand, but it has a long > running tradition > anecdotally. > > In Ohio, there is a town called Magnetic Springs. > In the late 1800s, it > became a resort spot, with health "hotels" and spas. > The draw was the > artesian well and spring water in the area. The > water, among many other > claimed curative or tonic properties, was supposedly > magnetic. Today, it is > a little blip on the map, hardly noticed. There are > apparently still some > businesses in the village that sell spring water as > a novelty, though. Up near Sandusky is also a place named Mystery Hill where the optical illusions employed by building a slanted shack against the side of a hill make gravity seem to go uphill! A water trough in the designated pathway also seems to show the effect where the water seems to flow backwards. Dont know if its a real effect or if its even there anymore as a tourist attraction. HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 18:39:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA24912; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:39:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:39:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bfe3c6$3b393d60$393dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000702010135.31819.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:38:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8xiSL3.0.156.wqfNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer Is there anybody who's actually made some > printed-circuit etchings for this thing, and if so could I buy a board (or > get a copy of your etching mask) and KNOW that it's being done correctly? ***** I built a "half" version about a year ago. By half, I mean the actual gradiometer circuit, minus the RF sniffer portion, which I already have in a seperate unit. I have used my gradiometer for sniffing out supposedly haunted houses, and around locations like mounds. My verdict and notes: 1. I built mine on Vector board, so I can't offer any pc board layout. 2. The "gimmick" twisted LC tweaker is absolutely necessary, and I had to fiddle with it a lot before I got stable readings. 3. The ultra-high resistance across the sense antenna is also critical. I found that my unit actually worked better by simply clipping out this resistor set, and using the 500M-ohm plus air resistance. I suspect it will depend a lot on your choice of chassis or case. 4. It is a very cantankerous meter. I do believe it may be useful for locating distortions in the earth's e-field, or even electrostatic anomalies. However it is hypersensitive to humidity, and stray ions from CRTs and televisions. It also gets pegged easily by the operator scuffing his feet on carpet! 5. I am hoping to put it in a different case at some point. I find that the circuit has an annoying drift, that is probably due to my construction somehow. > I think > it'd be interesting to build not just one, but maybe a whole "layer" or > "cube" of them. ***** Wow. I wish you luck. Mine is maverick enough and hard enough to get a bead on, with just a single sense assembly. Dont get me wrong. I love the idea. I just think that the original TVQ circuit just needs a lot of stabilization and filtering. One of the alternate ideas, however, that I have used in ghost hunting, that seems to give similar response, with a more stable nature is actually an old fashioned gold or aluminum leaf electroscope, hand held with an insulated mitt. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 18:46:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27050; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:45:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:45:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bfe3c7$288ba260$393dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000702011539.24455.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: now for something completely different... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:45:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"z4S2Y2.0.Zc6.5xfNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Up near Sandusky is also a place named Mystery Hill > where the optical illusions employed by building a > slanted shack against the side of a hill make gravity > seem to go uphill! A water trough in the designated > pathway also seems to show the effect where the water > seems to flow backwards. Dont know if its a real > effect or if its even there anymore as a tourist > attraction. HDN ***** I think it is still there (being from my part of Ohio). I recall that the Sandusky Mystery Hill was indeed just a fun-house type structure, with numerous clever illusions incorporated. Right next door was Prehistoric Forest, with 20 foot tall snarling plaster tyrannosaurs. A campily delightful place. Tis a shame, because I think there are plenty of REAL earth anomalies here and there. But thanks for the nostalgia trip! NR > > ===== > Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 19:41:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA06720; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:40:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:40:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702024004.78154.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.206.208.90] From: "Mister Boffo" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:40:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"346Du3.0.ve1.bkgNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: "Nick Reiter" > > >***** I built a "half" version about a year ago. By half, I mean >the actual gradiometer circuit, minus the RF sniffer portion, which >I already have in a seperate unit. It's good to see that there's somebody else who's given it a try. I have some commentary about the design, if anybody would want to talk about it. >From looking at the gradiometer circuit diagram, it seems to be trying to include three different "antennas" at once. There's the electrostatic one, the bifilar one, and the "GIMMICK" twisted pair, which I would have to guess is supposed to be a cadeucous coil. I guess it's unclear to me what is to be achieved by mixing all these apparant antennas together. It seems like you could end up with one getting a reading but canceling out the effect of one of the other antennas. There's no real info on relative positioning of the three, so who knows how they are interacting with each other? But since about all I can build are simple LED circuits I'm probably not one to be critiquing the design just yet. :) > I have used my gradiometer for sniffing out supposedly haunted > houses, and around locations like mounds. > My verdict and notes: > [....] >2. The "gimmick" twisted LC tweaker is absolutely necessary, and I > had to fiddle with it a lot before I got stable readings. Your "fiddling" may be very important since it's probably a type of scalar antenna. Can you describe how you "fiddled" it? It says "twisted pair" so I'm guessing I'll need to cut up some of my Category-5 Network cable and pull out a pair from that? Perhaps I'm getting too complicated already, but does the twisted wire insulation make a difference? How does the device perform with a cat-5 rwisted pair, vs a piece of twisted electric lamp "zip-cord", vs some high-voltage wire with varnished pair ends? How close should the bare wires at the end of the twisted pair be to each other? >3. The ultra-high resistance across the sense antenna is also > critical. I found that my unit actually worked better by > simply clipping out this resistor set, and using the > 500M-ohm plus air resistance. I suspect it will depend a > lot on your choice of chassis or case. > >4. It is a very cantankerous meter. I do believe it may be > useful for locating distortions in the earth's e-field, or > even electrostatic anomalies. However it is hypersensitive > to humidity, and stray ions from CRTs and televisions. It > also gets pegged easily by the operator scuffing his feet > on carpet! Well, humidity would raise the natural conductivity of the air, and skew your readings. So a high-humidity day will naturally causes greater swings to the same "control" tried on a low-humidity day. If the foot-scuffing is causing a problem, it may be that you have one side of the electrostatic antenna/circuit grounded to the metal case. By holding the metal case you are becoming part of the circuit, acting as half of the antenna. For "uninfluenced" readings I would have to guess that the entire circuit and both halves of the electrostatic antenna need to be isolated on standoffs from the metal case. A secondary issue here that mystifies me is why the electrostatic antennas need to be exposed to the open air. If whatever is being detected is not "in the air" but rather somehow in the "fabric of spacetime itself", it should not matter whether the antenna is inside or outside the box. By putting the antenna inside the box with the circuit (or in a separate metal box to isolate it from the circuit) it seems like you should still be able to detect "paranormal" influences. Moving this shielded antenna across a "region of distortion" should cause the shielded space inside the box between the antennas to change just as much as for open-air antennas. This would eliminate the negative open-air influences effects of humidity (if a gasketed sealed box is used) and external electrostatic charges in the region. But what do I know. I'm Mr. All Theory and No Actual Working Devices. Heh. -Mr. Boffo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 1 22:45:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07871; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:44:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: <395ED7CB.A2E711D@csrlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:48:59 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael S. 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- Einstein's dream come true- celebrations of the most important discovery since Galileo are underway

Einstein's dream come true: Theory of Gravity celebrations

Discovery of the Theory of Gravity, has been recently published by Dr. Tom J. Chalko in the "NU Journal of Discovery", http://NUjournal.net  (c) ASSA.

Albert Einstein spent the last 30 years of his life trying to integrate gravity with other laws of physics and did not succeed. The entire scientific community on Earth remains intrigued with the problem of gravity ever since.

Practicing "engineering" without the understanding of gravity is a phenomenal waste of resources, and energy. It is also the main reason for the planetary pollution and destruction of Nature. Isn’t the most of the "energy" that we generate on Earth used to lift things up and move them around?

Discovered method to generate and overcome gravity is arguably the most significant scientific discovery in  the history of humanity, that WILL dramatically change the way we live on Earth.

As an Individual Intellect, who is likely to appreciate the significance of this discovery, you are invited to join the celebrations.

This Discovery UNIFIES practically all known laws of physics: gravity, mechanics, thermodynamics and electromagnetism.

It proves that the gravity field CAN be generated and clearly demonstrates how it IS generated in Nature around us. Unified equations of electromagnetomechanics clearly indicate that electricity, magnetism, gravity and mechanics are INSEPARABLE and any attempt to separate them inevitably leads to fundamental errors.

Unified equations of electromagnetodynamics contain a new definition of mass from which it becomes obvious that the "black hole" and "dark matter" theories are pure nonsense and that there is no point whatsoever in searching for the "origin of mass".

Applications of the theory reveal the existence of spectacular "fluctuating gravitational gaps" above Earth's Poles at high altitudes, explain apparent displacement of the "center of gravity" of the Earth towards the North Pole and clarify the fundamental reason for notorious positional anomalies of all satellites.

The theory reveals the existence of a fascinating relationship between the increase in the atmospheric pollution and the seismic activity of a magnitude capable of sinking entire continents on the northern hemisphere.

The theory also provides a basis for new ways of transport and space travel, based on gravity generation and inertia control. Newton's laws and Maxwell's equations are HISTORY in the presence of the elegantly unified equations of electromagnetodynamics. Implications for every branch of science and engineering on Earth are severe.

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We respect your Freedom of Choice. If you no longer wish to receive Bioresonant News, please email your request to mychoice@bioresonant.com --------------145E75AA67AE5EA420B29B13-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 01:16:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA32158; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:15:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:15:43 -0700 Message-ID: <049001bfe3fd$848c9520$c3c8d9c1@trn10203> From: "San" To: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:14:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_048D_01BFE40E.4742D2E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"npSDN1.0.Es7.lelNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: FG: Hi amp hoop coil !(what the hell is a hoop coil) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_048D_01BFE40E.4742D2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "SNIP" There are a number of science museum exhibits which require many tens of amperes of electric current in a thick cable to generate strong = magnetism.=20 One example is a raft of compasses with a 200-amp cable running through the center of the raft. Or, three 100-amp cables with three-phase AC powering them, where the resulting field rotates and can spin a = conductive object by induction.=20 Rather than trying to build a 2-volt, 200 ampere supply, there is an easier way. Think:=20 In stranded cable, the DC electric current divides equally among all=20 the strands. =20 If a 200-amp cable has 200 strands, then each strand actually has only = 1.0 ampere. So instead of using a length of thick cable, why not wind a hoop-coil of very large diameter? (e.g. a hoop that's 3ft in diameter.) = Wrap the coil with plastic tape so that it resembles a circle of heavy cable. Send 1.0 amperes into the coil's connections, and you have a circular "cable" which has one ampere within each "strand", and 200 amperes within the cable as a whole. There is no difference between a segment of this "coil" and a segment of a thick electrical cable with an enormous current inside. Depending on the number of turns and the thickness of the wire you use, you can then power your coil with a 20-volt, 10-amp supply, or a (200-volt, 1-amp supply if you used thin wire.) An alkaline 9V battery might give interesting effects. If the resistance of your coil is high enough, it may be possible to use a diode (or a FW bridge) and plug your coil directly into 120VAC with no power-supply box needed! (Make sure = the total wattage isn't too high. Your coilcan be warm, but you don't want = it to melt!)=20 "SNIP" Found this on the amasci website.... I have af few ideas that can use = this setup if it works, the problem is.....given that a "hoop" can be = used to describe quite a few different coil-designs. what is a hoop coil = an how do you make one. Any help would be appreciated! http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/exhibits/hiamp.txt ------=_NextPart_000_048D_01BFE40E.4742D2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"SNIP"
There are a number of science museum = exhibits which=20 require many tens of
amperes of electric current in a thick cable to = generate=20 strong magnetism.
One example is a raft of compasses with a 200-amp = cable=20 running through
the center of the raft.  Or, three 100-amp = cables with=20 three-phase AC
powering them, where the resulting field rotates and = can spin=20 a conductive
object by induction.

Rather than trying to build = a=20 2-volt, 200 ampere supply, there is an
easier way.  Think:=20

  In stranded cable, the DC electric current divides = equally among=20 all
  the strands. 

If a 200-amp cable has 200 = strands,=20 then each strand actually has only 1.0
ampere.  So instead of = using a=20 length of thick cable, why not wind a
hoop-coil of very large = diameter? =20 (e.g. a hoop that's 3ft in diameter.)
Wrap the coil with plastic = tape so=20 that it resembles a circle of heavy
cable.  Send 1.0 amperes = into the=20 coil's connections, and you have a
circular "cable" which has one = ampere=20 within each "strand", and 200
amperes within the cable as a whole. = There is=20 no difference between a
segment of this "coil" and a segment of a = thick=20 electrical cable with an
enormous current inside.

Depending on = the=20 number of turns and the thickness of the wire you use,
you can then = power=20 your coil with a 20-volt, 10-amp supply, or a
(200-volt, 1-amp supply = if you=20 used thin wire.)  An alkaline 9V battery
might give interesting=20 effects.  If the resistance of your coil is high
enough, it may = be=20 possible to use a diode (or a FW bridge) and plug your
coil directly = into=20 120VAC with no power-supply box needed!  (Make sure the
total = wattage=20 isn't too high.  Your coilcan be warm, but you don't want it
to = melt!)=20
"SNIP"
 
 
Found this on the amasci website.... I = have af few=20 ideas that can use this setup if it works, the problem is.....given that = a=20 "hoop" can be used to describe quite a few different coil-designs. what = is a=20 hoop coil an how do you make one.
Any help would be = appreciated!
http://www.eskim= o.com/~billb/exhibits/hiamp.txt
 
------=_NextPart_000_048D_01BFE40E.4742D2E0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 01:44:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA06375; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:44:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:44:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001001bfe401$46e55c80$96d2989e@dave> From: "David Callaghan" To: References: <395ED7CB.A2E711D@csrlink.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July 2000] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:41:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"dyuVp1.0.WZ1.R3mNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Michael and All It seems that the guy that wrote the artical you forwarded the link for is one of those Thiaoouba type people. If memory serves me correct, some people claim to be aliens from the 'golden' planet Thiaoouba. He acknowledges help from these 'people' in his paper. Of course, this could all be true, which applies to most of the stuff posted on the 'net from peple who seem to be suffering psychological problems, but I'll wait for objective scientific proof. Quasi religous groups such as these like to pick out scientific reasoning that supports their arguments, and totally disregard everything else. I have always fancied trying an experiment that includes making up as much cr*p as possible and selecting scientific eveidence to support it, and seeing just how easy it is to make people believe in it. I know of a similar experiment, where a paranormal investigator invented accounts of a ghost sighting and published it in the common press. Sure enough, the confirmed sighting of the invented ghost started to roll in, some notably from 'trusted sources' such as police officers and medical doctors. I would imagine that the paranormal investigator's belief in his subject changed after this. Best regards David Callaghan ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Johnston Subject: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July 2000] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 01:50:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA08199; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:50:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:50:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001bfe401$46e55c80$96d2989e@dave> References: <395ED7CB.A2E711D@csrlink.net> <001001bfe401$46e55c80$96d2989e@dave> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:50:30 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July 2000] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"5D0by1.0.y_1.U9mNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 9:41 AM +0100 7/2/00, David Callaghan wrote: >I have always fancied trying an experiment that includes making up as much >cr*p as possible and selecting scientific eveidence to support it, and >seeing just how easy it is to make people believe in it. How about publishing a paper that nothing is actually real, just to see how far you can go? It's been done, passed peer review and everything, if I recall. Cripes, they probably have gotten a huge grant to study whether reality is real or not if they'd pressed onward. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 01:57:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA09810; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:57:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: <004001bfe403$226a7460$96d2989e@dave> From: "David Callaghan" To: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:54:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"pqflc1.0.7P2.xFmNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: FG]: FG: Hi amp hoop coil !(what the hell is a hoop coil) Hi San The magnetic field produced by a coil is proportional to I*N, where I is the current and N is the number of turns. A coil of 2000 turns at 1A will produce the same field strength as 20 turns at 100A. This effect is very well known and is taught in physics at secondary school (in the UK at least). Best regards David Callaghan ----- Original Message ----- From: San Subject: [FG]: FG: Hi amp hoop coil !(what the hell is a hoop coil) If a 200-amp cable has 200 strands, then each strand actually has only 1.0 ampere. So instead of using a length of thick cable, why not wind a hoop-coil of very large diameter? (e.g. a hoop that's 3ft in diameter.) Wrap the coil with plastic tape so that it resembles a circle of heavy cable. Send 1.0 amperes into the coil's connections, and you have a circular "cable" which has one ampere within each "strand", and 200 amperes within the cable as a whole. There is no difference between a segment of this "coil" and a segment of a thick electrical cable with an enormous current inside. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 02:13:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA12314; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:13:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:13:00 -0700 Message-ID: <006d01bfe405$491a6820$96d2989e@dave> From: "David Callaghan" To: References: <395ED7CB.A2E711D@csrlink.net><001001bfe401$46e55c80$96d2989e@dave> Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant NewsJuly 2000] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:09:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"vxcs_.0.J03.SUmNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick What would reality be called if it was proven to not be real ?!? ...David Callaghan ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant NewsJuly 2000] > How about publishing a paper that nothing is actually real, just to > see how far you can go? It's been done, passed peer review and > everything, if I recall. Cripes, they probably have gotten a huge > grant to study whether reality is real or not if they'd pressed > onward. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 02:25:12 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA14190; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:24:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:24:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702092418.15727.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.28.80.124] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 02:24:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"b5N5i.0.dT3.afmNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com So the term is very old... and was used in Ben Franklin's time too??? >From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? >Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 04:23:29 -0400 > >Tim writes: > >>a > >>renaissance man. > > > >Just what is this suppose to mean anyway??? And dose anyone know were it > >came from??? > > > >Timothy... > >The Renaissance is a term used to describe a time in European history when >there was a great deal of scientific discovery, artistic expression, and >philosophical development. A Renaissance Man was someone who educated >himself or became educated to a high degree in a variety of disciplines. >An >example would be someone who is say, a practicing experimenter in Physics, >a >gourmet cook, plays classical piano, and writes philosophical essays for >publication. You could substitute any endeavor for the ones given above, >but hopefully you get the idea. Ben Franklin was considered a Renaissance >Man because of his expertise in so many diverse fields. > >Knuke > >Michael T. Huffman >Huffman Technology Company >1121 Dustin Drive >The Villages, Florida 32159 >(352)259-1276 >knuke@LCIA.COM >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 06:27:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA11854; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:27:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702132711.3257.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: VCG of Nick Reiter - correlation to Hyde device? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"w42Qo3.0.3v2.EDqNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- DMBoss1021@aol.com wrote: > > Nick Reiter's VCG, or Variable Capacitance > Generator, is most intriguing. > > Website: > http://www.alliancelink.com/users/avalon/varicap2.htm > > See his intro message to the list, called: > "Introduction from, and projects > of Nick Reiter" > > I was doing some searching on another topic, and > came across this excellent > article/paper: > > < by Moray B. King > > ABSTRACT > The hypothesis for tapping the zero-point energy > (ZPE) arises by combining > the theories of the ZPE with the theories of system > self-organization. The > vacuum polarization of atomic nuclei might allow > their synchronous motion to > activate a ZPE coherence. > >> > > http://www.sumeria.net/free/zpe3.html While I havent investigated both ideas with close scrutiny the principle sounds similar in both examples and raises a lot of questions involving further applications. But I would like to thank you for submitting this fantastic site that gives a very good overall background on zero point energy. I have one of the 1986 ITS speaker tapes by Moray B. King who also had a publication I think, and seemed to be the best overall presentation at the conference. Here is a small segment that recently intersected with my interest; ION-ACOUSTIC OSCILLATIONS The real proof that the zero-point energy could become an energy source can only come from a repeatable experiment. The above discussion suggests that the motion of a plasma's nuclei might be an effective transducer for interacting with the ZPE. The coherent oscillations of nuclei in a plasma is known as the ion-acoustic mode, and it has been associated with anomalous plasma behavior including run-away electrons , anomalous heating, anomalous resistance , and high frequency voltage spikes. Could these anomalies be associated with a direct ZPE interaction manifesting a macroscopic vacuum polarization? Recently I was able to record high freq spikes on a scope with the sensor coil around the bulb. The normal method of producing those spikes involves arcing, but the neon bulb could serve to function as the same purpose without an arc occuring. In this scenario two infinitesmal arc gaps exist on either side of the neon, without any arcing occuring at those gaps. The neon itself however contains a weak discharge and shows a high freq spike almost exactly like an arc were actually occuring at the end gaps. Thus it is an example of a neon being used to create a weak arcless high frequency. The applied voltages were estimated at 3000 volts open condition attained by series resonant rise of large inductors,from 120 volt AC household input, each correspondingly attained voltage rising in opposite directions in what I have termed a Binary Resonant System or BRS. When a bulb is directly connected to that circuit without interving arc gaps it will blink rapidly, about ten blinks per second. This is attributed to the resonant choke quality of the circuit that quenches or extinguishes its higher voltage aspect once conductivity begins. Analog amperage measurements of these blinks showed between .5 to 1.5 ma, but also showed reverse pings back below its zero pt designation on the needle setting. This same meter now does no longer function after being in series recording amperage from more violent arcing discharges to water from the system. The odd thing is although the needle no longer moves, it still shows complete conductivity: so that bulbs can be inserted in the circuit and be blinking, but the meter shows nothing. Another larger value analogue meter that records total input amperage to the system is also ruined: consistantly only reading half the true value, as this was compared to digital readings. Anyone have a clue to analogue meter malfunctions? These are supposed to be the standard for taking measurements of rapidly varying amperage inputs, but they sure dont seem to hold up very long. Sincerely Pondering, HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 06:40:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA14540; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:40:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:40:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:40:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup X-Sender: w9sz@bluestem To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July 2000] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wQbj23.0.yY3.yOqNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Rick Monteverde wrote: > At 9:41 AM +0100 7/2/00, David Callaghan wrote: > > >I have always fancied trying an experiment that includes making up as much > >cr*p as possible and selecting scientific eveidence to support it, and > >seeing just how easy it is to make people believe in it. > > How about publishing a paper that nothing is actually real, just to > see how far you can go? It's been done, passed peer review and > everything, if I recall. Cripes, they probably have gotten a huge > grant to study whether reality is real or not if they'd pressed > onward. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI > The original "Thiotimoline" paper by Isaac Asimov, published in a respected chemistry journal, comes to mind. Once the "cat was out of the bag", Asimov wrote several sci-fi stories based on the mythical molecule thiotimoline, which existed in part in the present, past and future and was highly attracted to water. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 06:46:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA16746; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:46:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bfe42b$c84a4360$073dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000702024004.78154.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:45:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"I-LOs2.0.Z54.YUqNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello; > It's good to see that there's somebody else who's given it a try. I have > some commentary about the design, if anybody would want to talk about it. > From looking at the gradiometer circuit diagram, it seems to be trying to > include three different "antennas" at once. There's the electrostatic one, > the bifilar one, and the "GIMMICK" twisted pair, which I would have to guess > is supposed to be a cadeucous coil. ***** Actually, the gimmick is an old ham radio trick, used in circuits requiring the addition of a small amount of capacitance. It was a convenient way to add a few pF of C to an amplifier, oscillator, or detector. If you weren't sure just how much C you needed, you twist up a gimmick, then trim it back until you have just the right value. I think the one for my unit ended up at like 18 pF or somewhere therebouts. It would likely work as well if one found a small value padding cap, or variable. But the gimmick has the feature of being cheap, quick, and as long as no-one unwinds it, idiot proof. Now it's not to say that the twisted caduceus character doesn't add...something...but that would have to be confirmed with seperate experimentation. > Your "fiddling" may be very important since it's probably a type of scalar > antenna. Can you describe how you "fiddled" it? It says "twisted pair ***** The gimmick I twisted up to the specs in the plans was too small. I couldn't get a stable null on the opamp output. Probably because the wire I used had thicker insulation on it. (greater distance between conductors; less capacitance). I had to then actually wind a longer one, about 5 inches worth, then trim it back until I could get a null (of sorts). > Perhaps I'm getting too complicated already, but does the twisted wire > insulation make a difference? How does the device perform with a cat-5 > rwisted pair, vs a piece of twisted electric lamp "zip-cord", vs some > high-voltage wire with varnished pair ends? How close should the bare wires > at the end of the twisted pair be to each other? **** You might be getting a little too esoteric there. My opinion is that it is all a matter of capacitance at a critical part of the circuit. Insulation type, tightness of twisting, they are all influences on the final pF - age. Follow the directions, then trim it or add to it until the output looks right, and responds correctly to a known e-field influence. > Well, humidity would raise the natural conductivity of the air, and skew > your readings. So a high-humidity day will naturally causes greater swings > to the same "control" tried on a low-humidity day. ***** The twin antenna lends itself to influence by a number of factors; e-fields, ions, dust, bugs, humidity. > > By putting the antenna inside the box with the circuit (or in a separate > metal box to isolate it from the circuit) it seems like you should still be > able to detect "paranormal" influences. Moving this shielded antenna across > a "region of distortion" should cause the shielded space inside the box > between the antennas to change just as much as for open-air antennas. This > would eliminate the negative open-air influences effects of humidity (if a > gasketed sealed box is used) and external electrostatic charges in the > region. ****** A fine suggestion. If one did build a shielded version and still saw anomalous activity, then one would have something there worthy of a Nobel Prize, if able to be correlated and quantified. My own opinion is that there are a number of subtle energy effects that are anomalous by current models. However, some of these, like "ghosts" and mind you I'm not implying that ghosts are necessarily dead people; they might be something far more interesting!) may only be detectable by the faint secondary "normal" side effects they produce, such as ionization or thermal inversions. So maybe the open air wires are necessary for some applications. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 06:52:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA18485; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:51:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01bfe42b$901539a0$2de0fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: References: <20000702092418.15727.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:43:50 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8Utav3.0.kW4.tZqNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The term was coined probably in 18 C. That means that it was used in Franklin times. But I doubt that the word Renaissance meant exactly the same thing then as now. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Flytch" To: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? > So the term is very old... and was used in Ben Franklin's time too??? > > > > >From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) > >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? > >Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 04:23:29 -0400 > > > >Tim writes: > > >>a > > >>renaissance man. > > > > > >Just what is this suppose to mean anyway??? And dose anyone know were it > > >came from??? > > > > > >Timothy... > > > >The Renaissance is a term used to describe a time in European history when > >there was a great deal of scientific discovery, artistic expression, and > >philosophical development. A Renaissance Man was someone who educated > >himself or became educated to a high degree in a variety of disciplines. > >An > >example would be someone who is say, a practicing experimenter in Physics, > >a > >gourmet cook, plays classical piano, and writes philosophical essays for > >publication. You could substitute any endeavor for the ones given above, > >but hopefully you get the idea. Ben Franklin was considered a Renaissance > >Man because of his expertise in so many diverse fields. > > > >Knuke > > > >Michael T. Huffman > >Huffman Technology Company > >1121 Dustin Drive > >The Villages, Florida 32159 > >(352)259-1276 > >knuke@LCIA.COM > >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 07:45:44 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA00459; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 07:45:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 07:45:13 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 07:48:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702.074824.-268995.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-8,11-12,15-18,20-21,34-37,49-50 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"nehQb.0.x6.vLrNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Testatika & Shocking Shampoo Bottle Check out this fascinating article from the ESD Journals (Electrostatic Discharge Journal).: http://www.esdjournal.com/static/shower/shower.html Besides being fascinating and entertaining, it may provide some clues as to how the Testatika works. Note how the bottle discribed has a metalized printing on the outside of a plastic bottle. I think this is similar to the perforated metal you see on the Testatika which appears to be in contact with a plastic layer. If I had a product like this, I would not try to get rid of the effect, I would see if I could sell it as a novelty, "Shock in A Bottle". As long as it was harmless of course. Tim Here is a short quote from the article. Read the entire, it has pictures and sound: "In late 1978, a cosmetic and pharmaceutical company experienced a very severe problem with a new shampoo product that was ready for national market release. The difficulty was discovered during limited field trials in selected markets in the North Central and Southwest portions of the United States. The new shampoo and conditioner product was contained in a very artistically designed bottle with special graphics on the outside. A national ad campaign had just started and the distinctive bottle was becoming recognizable. An increasing number of reports were coming in from users in the field trials that claimed they had received large static shocks when they opened the shampoo bottle, typically standing in their shower. The shocks were severe enough to cause the bottles of shampoo to be knocked out of their hands. Fortunately, no incidents of people falling down were reported................. Investigation Several bottles of the suspect shampoo were provided by the manufacturer for study. The first time a bottle was opened resulted in a discharge approximately 1.5 inches in length from the shampoo to the metallized film cap seal. Even though a discharge was expected based on the reports of the manufacturer, it still was a surprise. Carefully placing the cap back on the bottle and removing it again resulted in no discharge. After Shaking the bottle and removing the cap again, another discharge of approximately the same intensity was observed. IF THE DISCHARGED BOTTLES WERE ALLOWED TO SIT FOR A PERIOD OF SEVERAL MINUTES, DISCHARGES WOULD OCCUR. THERE DID NOT SEEM TO BE AN END TO THE ABILITY OF THE SHAMPOO BOTTLES TO PROVIDE A DISCHARGE ALTHOUGH THE INTENSITY DID REDUCED OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL DAYS EVEN WITH REPEATED DISCHARGES. " From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 09:09:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA24433; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:09:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:09:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200007021608.MAA15572@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Resent-Message-ID: <"uwGpX1.0.gz5.TasNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >The term was coined probably in 18 C. That means that it was used in >Franklin times. But I doubt that the word Renaissance meant exactly the same >thing then as now. >Anna You are getting warmer, but I'll stick with my definition, thanks. ;) Knuke When in doubt, you can always look it up. Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 09:20:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27598; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:19:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <395F6CA5.B5884EA7@csrlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:24:07 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July 2000] References: <395ED7CB.A2E711D@csrlink.net> <001001bfe401$46e55c80$96d2989e@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G1xtw3.0.2l6.iksNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi David, MJ likes alternative realities! Just a thought but if there are magnetic fields in interstellar space wouldnt that possibly mean that the whole universe has a polar orientatiion (N-S)? Wouldn't that seem to indicate that the universe is therefore finite (exists within the field between the poles)and that perhaps there is another universe "just next door" which is probably very like our own, much in the same way that galaxies within our universe are somewhat similar? Just a thought. Living on the edge, MJ David Callaghan wrote: > Hi Michael and All > > It seems that the guy that wrote the artical you forwarded the link for is > one of those Thiaoouba type people. If memory serves me correct, some > people claim to be aliens from the 'golden' planet Thiaoouba. He > acknowledges help from these 'people' in his paper. > > Of course, this could all be true, which applies to most of the stuff posted > on the 'net from peple who seem to be suffering psychological problems, but > I'll wait for objective scientific proof. Quasi religous groups such as > these like to pick out scientific reasoning that supports their arguments, > and totally disregard everything else. > > I have always fancied trying an experiment that includes making up as much > cr*p as possible and selecting scientific eveidence to support it, and > seeing just how easy it is to make people believe in it. I know of a > similar experiment, where a paranormal investigator invented accounts of a > ghost sighting and published it in the common press. Sure enough, the > confirmed sighting of the invented ghost started to roll in, some notably > from 'trusted sources' such as police officers and medical doctors. I would > imagine that the paranormal investigator's belief in his subject changed > after this. > > Best regards > David Callaghan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Johnston > Subject: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July > 2000] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 09:21:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27938; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:20:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:20:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:20:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200007021620.MAA17964@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Resent-Message-ID: <"4uOw51.0.Iq6.OlsNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >So the term is very old... and was used in Ben Franklin's time too??? Neither the terms "Renaissance" nor "Renaissance Man" are very old at all. The term Renaissance was coined in the mid 19th century, and the term Renaissance Man wasn't used until the early 20th century. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 09:29:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA31481; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:29:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: <200007021128050510.00A47D9B@mail.texas.net> In-Reply-To: <200007021620.MAA17964@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> References: <200007021620.MAA17964@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.05 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:28:05 -0500 From: "Edwin Wise" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: renaissance man???? Resent-Message-ID: <"7XFd81.0.lh7.gtsNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 7/2/00, at 12:20 PM, knuke@lcia.com wrote: >>So the term is very old... and was used in Ben Franklin's time too??? > >Neither the terms "Renaissance" nor "Renaissance Man" are very old at all. What an odd discussion. So... I cry out... References! References! Edwin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 10:02:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07955; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:02:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:02:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200007021704.e62H47m24447@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: interact@keelynet.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:05:18 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"EhfoF1.0.8y1.TMtNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Gravity Have you read this : http://NUjournal.net/pages/gravity.html Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 10:32:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA15652; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:31:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:31:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:31:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200007021731.NAA32074@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant News July 2000] Resent-Message-ID: <"JNMYl.0.Pq3._ntNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick writes: >How about publishing a paper that nothing is actually real, just to >see how far you can go? It's been done, passed peer review and >everything, if I recall. Cripes, they probably have gotten a huge >grant to study whether reality is real or not if they'd pressed >onward. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI I doubt that they would have gotten the grant, Rick. Some oversight reviewing accountant would have pointed out that if reality was found to be not real, then the money spent to find out was not real either, but if it turned out that reality was found to be actually real, then the money spent to find this out would also be real, and really GONE, therefore it would be best simply to keep the faith that reality is real, and keep the money, as well. This problem may in fact, be a question presented in the GPA exam, I don't know. It should be, anyway. ;) Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 11:35:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA00881; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:34:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:34:47 -0700 Message-ID: <395F8B92.ED3E04CD@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:36:03 -0700 From: blue_eyes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer References: <20000702010135.31819.qmail@hotmail.com> <000701bfe3c6$3b393d60$393dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Pk4A5.0.aD.6juNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks, I must have missed how to get to the gradiometer page. How do I get there? Thanks, David -- E-mail: broompilot@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 11:37:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA02827; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:37:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:37:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.20000702112759.0a5fc7f6@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:27:59 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer In-Reply-To: <000701bfe3c6$3b393d60$393dee3f@default> References: <20000702010135.31819.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DWIrA2.0.1i.lluNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Nick and all, Interesting as I found mostly different results than you. At 09:38 PM 07/01/00 -0400, you wrote: >***** I built a "half" version about a year ago. By half, I mean the >actual gradiometer circuit, minus the RF sniffer portion, which I already >have in a seperate unit. > I have used my gradiometer for sniffing out supposedly haunted houses, >and around locations like mounds. > My verdict and notes: > >1. I built mine on Vector board, so I can't offer any pc board layout. I built mine on a PC board that had some op amp circuit already on it. I just rewired the input and output terminals. >2. The "gimmick" twisted LC tweaker is absolutely necessary, and I had to >fiddle with it a lot before I got stable readings. I found that it made little difference. The first stage is a large DC gain integrator with the "gimmick" and other stray C forming the integrator feedback C. The meter movement limits the rate of movement as well. >3. The ultra-high resistance across the sense antenna is also critical. I >found that my unit actually worked better by simply clipping out this >resistor set, and using the 500M-ohm plus air resistance. I suspect it will >depend a lot on your choice of chassis or case. The lack of a R in the "bias side" input made it totally unusable for me. Input bias currents could only be provided for a limited time through the bias pot. and capacitor (I = CdV/dt), before the output of the first stage saturated. So I added another high value R to this side, and changed the bias pot. so it had a very small voltage adjustment. It did introduce another problem, as one input is referenced to ground and the other the midpoint of the 2 battery supplies, making it sensitive to differential battery voltages. At least the offsets didn't accumulate like before. I found also the "gain" pot useless, as it only would reduce what the "full scale" meter deflection would be, so it always is at max for full scale deflection. >4. It is a very cantankerous meter. I do believe it may be useful for >locating distortions in the earth's e-field, or even electrostatic >anomalies. However it is hypersensitive to humidity, and stray ions from >CRTs and televisions. I agree here. The bifilar toroid windings look like a common mode RF filter to me. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 12:03:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09033; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:02:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:02:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01bfe458$0252d0a0$503dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:01:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"vLnXi3.0.-C2.K7vNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fw: Gravity ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:05 PM Subject: [FG]: Gravity > > Have you read this : > > http://NUjournal.net/pages/gravity.html > > > Marcelo Puhl > mark@plug-in.com.br OOHHH I was enjoying a calm Sunday afternoon, but now it's rant time! Speaking for myself, I have had it up to here with the flowery glossy websites that promote New Physics revelations from Ascended Masters / Thiourea (or whatever their planet is) / Venusians / Arcturans etc. And it's not that I rule out the possibility! It's just that such sites blather on and on, but offer no experimental validation of their models. If planet Thiourea was a truly advanced place, and wanted to bring us up, as a backward race, to their level of technological savvy, then they would do so totally incognito. New principles would be surreptitiously placed in the path of human inventors, who would go on to bring their discoveries to the world by the sweat of their own brows. Now if the revelations of Thiourea ARE truly real (the act of the revelation, not the content), then we are dealing with the cruel playtime fun of a race that for all human purposes is utterly insane, and utterly dangerous. For a number of the years that I investigated claims of UFO abductions, I collected and catalogued testimony from a number of these "experiencers" who claimed they had been given "technical information" by aliens. Curiously, most of these folks had no technical background, or if they did, it was in a completely different discipline. Some of them spent years, and thousands of dollars trying to build the contraptions showed to them. Some gave up, others just grew old and died, broke and rejected by their families. Upon inspection, most of these ideas would never have worked, and indeed, did not work if the experiencer got it built. A few years ago, a fellow sent me the plans for a curious coil arrangement that he claimed was given to him in a vision by Jesus. It was supposed to be a radiant or aetheric energy reciever. I built one. It did nothing. A few years later, after getting on the net, I found a trail of references that led me to conclude that this fellow had simply borrowed the idea, or stole it if you will, from much earlier sources. The point is, though, that he was genuinely convinced Jesus gave him the idea. The bigger point is that it didn't work, and wasted a week of my time. I believe in inspiration and intuition. Tesla concieved the rotating field principle whilst watching a sunset, in a blaze of unifying glory. Berzelius saw molecules dancing in his dreams, and developed the model for the benzene ring. Perhaps there are subtle races and lifeforms that slip us new ideas every 50 years or so. If so, I hope to meet one someday, and thank them. But things like the Thiourea website, or coil toting saviors, or ascended masters who spout new theories of magnetism, without a shred of the empirical, are time wasting delusions at the least, or nefarious metaphysical treachery at worst. There. I feel better. Enjoy. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 12:23:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA14743; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:23:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:23:30 -0700 Message-ID: <395F9581.19DE46C3@harti.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 21:18:25 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <200006252204447.SM00254@m2w018.mail2web.com> <012e01bfe012$e132cfe0$0201a8c0@m> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3SUGl1.0.8c3.oQvNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Watercar inventor interview; 7/2/2000 Hi all, Wolfgang Czapp called yeasterday Mr. Dingle and recorded it. He has produced an MP3 file and you can download and hear it from: http://www.overunity.com/watercar/dingleph.mp3 It seems Dingle uses also the whole motor in combination with the electrolysis to get this high efficiency. He talks about hot and cold air mixing inside the motor with the H2 to get a good efficiency. This seems to be important for a good mechanical output. He also uses a special ignition system with a DC high voltage ignition, he told Czapp at his visit. What exactly is in his reactor unit is still a mystery to me and if it really works with High voltage or lower voltage. I guess Dingle and Czapp mixed this up when Dingle talked about Dc to AC and AC to DC converters, he probably meant the DC car battery and his circuit produces AC HV ? --> electrolysis--> H2 and O2 mixed with cold and hot air --> "flash" reaction -->piston ->alternator -> DC fed back to the car battery. I hope we will soon get some more infos from Dingle. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 13:18:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27683; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:17:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:17:42 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:17:06 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c1.4b7bb2c.2690fd42_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"VZLk-2.0.Om6.cDwNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Positive test results --part1_c1.4b7bb2c.2690fd42_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, The attached drawing of two C shaped magnets inside of two larger C shaped magnets with a center ferrite bar with coil gave me some interesting test results. When the outer C segments were moved out from the ferrite bar, I got a voltage current reading, but no increase in work as compared to the coil circuit being open. The coil detects the drop in flux and instead of the temporary poles the coil (N) & (S) effecting the outer C magnets, it effects the inter C magnets. More tests are being done at this time. 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Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant NewsJuly 2000] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"CwB9r2.0.6i7.4OwNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi Rick > >What would reality be called if it was proven to not be real ?!? California? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 14:23:18 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA14297; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:22:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:22:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01bfe458$0252d0a0$503dee3f@default> References: <001a01bfe458$0252d0a0$503dee3f@default> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:22:45 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: Gravity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"8gxrD.0.IV3.kAxNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Nick - Nice rant! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 15:18:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA28096; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:17:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:17:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20000702221711.12231.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.206.208.246] From: "Mister Boffo" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 15:17:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"mSh-D2.0.vs6.6-xNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: "Nick Reiter" > >***** Actually, the gimmick is an old ham radio trick, used in >circuits requiring the addition of a small amount of capacitance. >It was a convenient way to add a few pF of C to an amplifier, >oscillator, or detector. If you weren't sure just how much C >you needed, you twist up a gimmick, then trim it back until you >have just the right value. As a "smalltime electronics hobbyist" with nothing more sophisticated than a Radio Shack digital VOM lying around, I need to ask how you know when you've achieved "just the right value" and what that right value is supposed to be doing. I am trying to find my little Radio Shack books on Op-Amps, though. :-) Would you know if the TL082 chip in the project is equivelant to the common Radio Shack 1458 dual op-amp? Also, I note something else in the instructions for that thing which are likely to derail me completely -- the toroid. (Shown as T1 in the circuit but described as L1 in the text.) --- To wind L1, select a small toroid core with high reactance --- at lower frequencies. Twist a foot or so of small diameter --- insulated wire, and then wind this twisted pair onto the --- core in the normal manner for a toroidal coil. Use two --- different colors of insulated wire, and make sure the --- correct connections and phasing are used. Likely written for an engineer. I have no idea... 1. How to select a small toroid core with high reactance at lower frequences. Probably involves calculus and differential equations, which I don't know how to do. 2. WHERE to select a toroid. Who sells these things? I kinda doubt Radio Shack will have these. :) 3. What the "normal manner" is for winding wire on a toroid. Is there a common library book that describes this? 4. How to determine this phasing thing. Ugh. Maybe I should ask one of you experts to build one of these and sell it to me. ;) But based on simple circuit analysis, I cannot tell if this toroid is even necessary for building an electrostatic gradiometer. Seems like you could just chop this part straight out of the circuit (with its associated four capacitors) and the electrostatic gradiometer aspect should still work just fine. It's even marked as a "bifilar" in the circuit diagram, which in every reference I've ever seen is described as a type of scalar antenna. So the circuit designer obviously had esoteric intentions in mind when he stuck it into the circuit. In my humble non-engineer opinion, a person should probably split this circuit in half. Make one circuit with only the electrostatic gradiometer antennas, and make another with only the bifilar toroid. That way if the toroid is picking something up and the antennas are not, you can clearly see that on the separate meters rather than having both signals muddled together on just one meter. -Mr. Boffo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 16:30:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16211; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:29:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:29:32 -0700 Message-ID: <002801bfe47c$49820a80$eecffea9@rusirius> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant NewsJuly 2000] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:21:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bQDyG2.0.Cz3.S1zNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Cripes, they probably have gotten a huge >grant to study whether reality is real or not if they'd pressed >onward. Buddhist Monks have studied this for ages... ;) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 16:31:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17135; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:30:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:30:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01bfe47c$746de520$eecffea9@rusirius> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - Bioresonant NewsJuly 2000] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rzhQU2.0.bB4.Y2zNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >What would reality be called if it was proven to not be real ?!? Suffering... ;) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 16:46:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA24436; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:45:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:45:59 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: <60.4a1ba09.26912e0a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:45:14 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: Gravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"1vhhF2.0.jz5.tGzNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com After reading the postings about aliens and other worlds and what they are offering us, I feel that I must tell of my dealings with these beings. How they did it I do not know, but they imposed in (or on) my brain certain data that really was confusing to me. Try as I may, I could not figure out what they were driving at. Over and over I ran this through to no meaningful end. At the point of giving up and just admitting my failure, somehow (maybe they did it) the answer more or less "came" to me in a dream (I think). I too, was given a drawing of what looked to be just another coil arrangement. There were a few strange twists as to the way it was made, but try as I did, nothing came of it. But, then the revelation! It did not use energy as we know it! (electricity) It was intended to run on energy not known at this time to human beings. Using the implanted information, I proceeded to construct the coil and test it. My first test did not show promise, it showed a miracle! Overunity in the magnitude of triple or more output versus input. And so simple! The greatest part of all is that we have all the necessary technology at this time to convert the output to an energy that we are already using, and that being electricity. All this done in a package so small as to be un-believable! Tesla's black box on the front seat of his electric car? Where do you suppose he got the idea? They thought that they had finally got the point accross to us, so we know that although years ahead of us, they too make mistakes. Try again they did, and why they picked me I will never know. This new energy is called in their language a word that we cannot pronounce, so what I have done is to shorten the name so as to make it recognizable to all of us. PPFFFFST That's it! PPFFFST and a wonder it is! How silly of us to not know of it! It is everywhere! (the Aether?) All in all, I tested this crude unit I constructed six times, each showing more promise as I "Tuned" it. Upon the onset of my seventh test, I had a rather strange failure that unfortunately destroyed the model completely. As I was increasing the power output, there was suddenly a great flash, from where I could not ascertain. The sound of which was also something that I cannot precisely duplicate. I started the unit as I had before, connected my digital meter to it as I had before, and when I tried to "Siphon" off the power all hell broke loose. Shall I say a perfect copy of a atomic mushroom cloud filled the shop in seconds. All I saw was that flash of light, then the sound of PPFFFST and it, and I were gone! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 16:49:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA27786; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:49:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: <395FCC11.444860D2@harti.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:11:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Topic of Toroids References: <3.0.6.16.20000621172359.21572436@earthlink.net> <001101bfdbeb$e852c800$683dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MrwBw2.0.3o6.0KzNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yes, this can only be explained by using the magnetic potentail A-field. There is only an induction taking place, if the magnetic potential A-field is changed ! And this is the case in this example ! Nick Reiter schrieb: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Dameron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: Interesting magnetic (toroid) results > > RE: Toroidal transformers. > > One of the illustrations used by WJ Hooper to illustrate that the mechanism > behind induction was incompletely understood was the toroidal transformer. > He proposed it like this: > The classical laws of induction state that an EMF is induced when a > conductor is either cut by a moving or time varying magnetic flux. Easy > enough to demonstrate with a loop of wire, a bar magnet, and a galvanometer. > However, by the letter of these laws, a toroidal transformer should not even > work! > Consider 100 turns of wire wrapped around one side, or a portion, of a > ferrous ring. The degree of tightness of the windings is of lesser > importance, they may be wound right on the core ring, or they may be offset > on an insulating wrap. > We then wind 100 turns of wire, with appropriate insulation around the > other side or portion of the ring. A time varying current is introduced > into the primary, producing a time varying magnetic field. The core ring > traps and conducts the reciprocating flux in an efficient manner. > Now let us say that the ring is of a high permeability material. If we > place a Hall effect sensor near the ring toward the secondary side, we see > only a very minor leakage flux, if anything. This is because the magnetic > flux is conducted almost entirely within the ring, not in the space > surrounding the ring. > But wait! For an EMF to be induced in the secondary, the magnetic flux > must cut the conductor! However, with the exception of whatever minor > leakage may be present, the flux is conserved within the ring, and does not > spread out to engulf the region of secondary windings. Yet even if we wind > the secondary an appreciable distance off of the core, we see our robust > secondary EMF; though certainly the efficiency of our energy coupling > decreases with distance from the core. Thus Hooper's Toroidal Transformer > Paradox. > Thats my contribution for the night. > > NR -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 16:49:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA27965; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:49:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: <395FD400.51575B01@harti.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:45:04 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WAnnI3.0.Wq6.KKzNv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Just scope currents for charge effect ? Hi all, I tried tonight the simple avramenko plug circuit: ---|>|--- | __|__ finger touch >-------------Ķ _____ cap 1 uF | | ---|<|--- and put he 1 uF capacitor (cap) across my scope head with a 101 MOhm input resistance to measure the voltage across the cap. The 2 diodes were 1N4007. It quickly charged up the cap to about 30 Volts DC. It did not charge up higher than this ! When I tried the same with a cheap digital multimeter with also at least 1 MOhm input resistance it did not charge up and also not, when I just did it without the multimeter or scope. (tested this with a discharge LED, that did then NOT light up) Now I suppose the scopeīs ground currents are the source of the charge buildup inside the cap, but why does it stop at 30 Volts DC ? The scopeīs ground is NOT connected to the gridīs grounding, so maybe the potential difference inside the scope power supply is charging my cap ? Can this be used or modified to be charged up without the scope somehow ? Regards, Stefan. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 17:58:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA18153; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:58:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: <39606A12.56717C07@dove.net.au> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:25:22 +0000 From: gsawyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: <20000702011539.24455.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01bfe3c7$288ba260$393dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PWw7l2.0.QR4.RK-Nv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: now for something completely different... And here in South Australia is a "Magnetic Hill", you drive DOWN into a gully (or depression), release the handbrake and ... Your vehicle rolls back up to the crest of the hill, tried plumb-bobs and they SEEM to indicate that it is not just an illusion, long time since I was last there though, I believe there are a couple of other spots in Australia with similar characteristics (One near Scone - the burning mountain in New South Wales ). That was just FYI. Regards, Glenville -------------------------------------------------------- Glenville T. Sawyer Alternative Energy Experimenter, Amateur Radio Operator http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net -------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 19:29:28 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA12236; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:29:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:29:10 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:28:32 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> In-Reply-To: <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA12214 Resent-Message-ID: <"7oYs2.0.5_2.rf_Nv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Michael Johnston's message of Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:17:15 -0400: >Hi Robin, >Read below, > >Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > >> In reply to Michael Johnston's message of Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:18:31 -0400: >> >> The picture on this web page is a graph of the Earth's magnetic field. > >No, it is a picture of a simulation of the SUN'S field or "Solar Wind" >radiating out and the darker arms are concentrated areas, a magnetic storm. You are correct. I should have read it more carefully before inserting foot in mouth ;). >What prompted the post was that I read Faraday's ideas on generating power from >the fields of the earth (magnetic and electric). This made me think of the >earth as part of a huge generator. The sun is the source of the energy, just >like the proton in an atom is supposed to be. In what sense is the proton of an atom (presumably hydrogen), supposed to be the "source of the energy" (and what energy)? >Energy radiates out from the sun >and the orbiting earth cuts these lines of force. This causes earth's electric >and magnetic fields or intensifies natural fields due to iron in the planets >core. I am making the comparison to the old planetary model of the atom. Granted, there appears to be a geometrical analogy, but I'm not sure how far you can carry it without it resulting in nonsense conclusions. >It >seems that we live on the diamagnetic surface of the "coil" in a huge >generator. Why diamagnetic? >We are surrounded by energy. It makes solar cells seem kinda stupid. >That's like using a thermocouple to generate electricity from the heat provided >by an electric oven! Hint: Why not just use the electricity that supplies the >oven? How would you suggest this be done? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 20:36:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02984; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:36:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:36:34 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Watercar inventor interview; 7/2/2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:35:57 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <200006252204447.SM00254@m2w018.mail2web.com> <012e01bfe012$e132cfe0$0201a8c0@m> <395F9581.19DE46C3@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <395F9581.19DE46C3@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA02962 Resent-Message-ID: <"2xqrD3.0.Tk.2f0Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Sun, 02 Jul 2000 21:18:25 +0200: Remind me not to download any of this stuff again. This file was once again a complete pain in the posterior, with all the background noise so bad that the conversation could barely be understood. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 20:50:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA06770; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:49:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:49:50 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Just scope currents for charge effect ? Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:49:10 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <395FD400.51575B01@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <395FD400.51575B01@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA06748 Resent-Message-ID: <"TACUK3.0.hf1.Sr0Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:45:04 +0200: >Hi all, >I tried tonight the simple >avramenko plug circuit: > > > ---|>|--- > | __|__ >finger touch >-------------Ķ _____ cap 1 uF > | | > ---|<|--- > > >and put he 1 uF capacitor (cap) across my scope head >with a 101 MOhm input resistance to measure the >voltage across the cap. >The 2 diodes were 1N4007. > >It quickly charged up the cap to about 30 Volts DC. >It did not charge up higher than this ! [snip] Hi Stefan, Your body acts as an antenna that picks up energy radiated by the grid. If you just touch the scope input (ungrounded), you will see a large AC signal. This is however a high impedance source, so as you put a low impedance load on it, the voltage drops away to nothing. I suggest you first charge the capacitor, then put a LED across it. You should see a brief flash of light as the capacitor discharges. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 2 21:26:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA17575; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:25:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:25:45 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE46C.601E1B90@istf-1-65.ucdavis.edu> From: Dan Quickert To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: [FG]: [Fwd: Einstein's Dream Comes True - BioresonantNewsJuly 2000] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:27:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BFE46C.601FA230" Resent-Message-ID: <"o-NK-1.0.WI4.9N1Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BFE46C.601FA230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Hi Rick >> >>What would reality be called if it was proven to not be real ?!? > >California? > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI Interesting comment coming from a person who claims to live in a place = that most people have never seen, and is supposed to be in the middle of = the ocean - _really_ far out! 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Resent-Message-ID: <"Osr3T1.0.Zu5.mf1Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Edwin writes: >What an odd discussion. So... I cry out... References! References! > >Edwin All this and much more can be found in the humble Webster's Collegiate edition published by Merriam - Webster. I will grant you that this is not always regarded as the best reference for this sort of thing, but it is one of the few printed references that I have left, and I felt that it was adequate for the purposes of answering Tim's questions. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 00:47:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA29710; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:47:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: <009101bfe4c2$acc5dd60$b4fd6dcb@ihug.co.nz> From: "Stuart Rae" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000629201142.007a3e50@mail.endirect.qc.ca> Subject: Re: [FG]: Francis chua's Green Gas torch Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:45:08 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"txAUx1.0.3G7.qJ4Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick (Monteverde), On Friday, June 30, 2000 2:51 PM (Subject: Re: [FG]: Francis chua's Green Gas torch) I said...... : snip > > But then again, if the method used to > crack the water is NOT electrical, and the method itself is also a > thermal energy source, what are the implications .........? > and again .....: snip > > So in this simple case, isn't > there a far greater combined thermal energy output, than the potential > energy contained in the oil alone ? > I would sincerely appreciate your informed opinion on these questions.............. Regards, SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 01:24:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA03219; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:24:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:24:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009101bfe4c2$acc5dd60$b4fd6dcb@ihug.co.nz> References: <3.0.5.32.20000629201142.007a3e50@mail.endirect.qc.ca> <009101bfe4c2$acc5dd60$b4fd6dcb@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:24:03 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Francis chua's Green Gas torch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"kQOoL1.0.Co.-s4Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stuart - Oh, I thought you were just being rhetorical, sorry. It would be good if we could find some energy loop we could tap where we burn some kind of mud and just end up with more non-toxic products as a result. But I'm not trained in chemistry, so informed speculation here would have to come from others. But it does sound like Brown's Gas can burn and release energy from things that we wouldn't ordinarily think of as fuel, so I'd think some research in this area would be a good idea. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI >Hi Rick (Monteverde), > >On Friday, June 30, 2000 2:51 PM > >(Subject: Re: [FG]: Francis chua's Green Gas torch) > >I said...... : > >snip > >> >> But then again, if the method used to >> crack the water is NOT electrical, and the method itself is also a >> thermal energy source, what are the implications .........? >> > >and again .....: > >snip > >> >> So in this simple case, isn't >> there a far greater combined thermal energy output, than the potential >> energy contained in the oil alone ? >> > >I would sincerely appreciate your informed opinion on these >questions.............. > >Regards, > >SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 14:02:41 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04536; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:02:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:02:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3960FE48.31E70688@harti.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:57:44 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rNM873.0.d61.9zFOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Invitation to a Berlin,Germany based free energy conference Andreas Manthey Bleibtreustraße 4 10623 Berlin Tel.: 030 / 312 31 19 Fax: 030 / 312 66 92 email: andreas.manthey@berlin.de Einladung zur "Berliner Tagung für neue Energietechnologien" Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, liebe Freunde einer nachhaltigen Energiezukunft, wie die Jungfrau zum Kinde kam, bin ich Veranstalter eines Kongresses für neue Energietechnologien (hier: Schwerpunkt Raumenergie und Zweiter Hauptsatz der Thermodynamik) geworden. Das Ehepaar Schneider aus der Schweiz, Veranstalter verschiedener Kongresse zum Thema "Freie Energie/Raumenergie" und Herausgeber des Fachblattes "Net-Journal", plante für den 8. und 9. Juli 2000 in Berlin einen Kongreß. Aus organisa-torischen Gründen muß ten sie diesen leider kurzfristig absagen. Da ich mich persönlich schon sehr darauf gefreut hatte, beschloß ich kurzerhand diesen mit reduziertem Programm an nur einem Tag (8. Juli) doch noch durchzu-führen. Das Ehepaar Schneider war mir bei den Vorbereitungen eine große Hilfe, so daß ich überzeugt bin, daß diese Tagung sowohl für Experten als auch für Einsteiger viel Neues und Interessantes bietet. So wird es im Rahmen der Vorträge und in den Pausen Vorführungen geben, ein Büchertisch bietet Lektüre für daheim. Der Veranstaltungsort bleibt derselbe wie bisher: Der Kinosaal der UFA-Fabrik in Berlin-Tempelhof, unmittelbar am U-Bahnhof Ullsteinstraße (U6). Vom 1. Bis 9. Juli findet in der UFA-Fabrik das Festival ID 22, "Festival für Ökologie-Kultur-Gemeinschaft" statt. Ein weiterer Vorteil ist, daß die Eintrittspreise (ursprünglich DM 330,-) auf nunmehr DM 95,- (ermäßigt DM 70,-) gesenkt werden konnten. Für weitere Fragen stehe ich Ihnen gern zur Verfügung. Ich freue mich Sie, Ihre Freunde, Kunden oder Mitarbeiter bei dieser neuartigen Tagung begrüßen zu dürfen. Mit sonnigen Grüßen Berliner Tagung zu neuen Energietechnologien Freie Energie, Raumenergie, Zweiter Hauptsatz der Thermodynamik Samstag, 8. Juli 2000 UFA-Fabrik, Berlin-Tempelhof Programm: 10.00 Uhr Begrüßung Andreas Manthey (Veranstalter), Achmed Khammas (ID22) Themenschwerpunkt: Praktische Ansätze 10.15 Uhr Die Zukunft der "Raum-Energie-Technik" Konferenzergebnisse und Berichte zur internationalen Forschung Prof. Dr.Dr.Dr.h.c. Josef Gruber, FernUniversität Hagen/Deutschland, Präsident der Deutschen Vereinigung für Raum-Energie e.V. (DVR) 11.15 Uhr Synergetisches Modell für einen freien Energiemarkt Optimale Nutzung von Energieressourcen am Beispiel der "Messiasmaschine" A. Khammas, Organisator ID22, Berlin 12.15 Uhr Mittagspause Themenschwerpunkt: Theoretischer Hintergrund 13.30 Uhr Der Schlüssel zur Freien Energie Technologien zur Auskoppelung nutzbarer Energie aus dem Quantenfeld Dr.Dr. habil. Otto Oesterle, Dipl.-Ing., Berlin 14.15 Uhr Overunity aus der Sicht der Theoretischen Physik Evaluierungen von O/U-Behauptungen, Grundlagen und konkrete Beispiele Wolf-Dieter Bauer, Dipl.-Phys., Berlin 15.00 Uhr Kaffeepause Themenschwerpunkt: Freie Nutzung der Umgebungsenergie 15.45 Uhr Gültigkeitsgrenzen für den zweiten Hauptsatz der Thermodynamik Alternative Wege zur Transformation von Umgebungswärme in andere Energieformen Kai Schaeffer, Dipl.-Phys., Berlin 16.45 Uhr Wirbelphänomene in Natur und Technik Praktische Beispiele für selbststabilisierende Systeme und ihr Bezug zu Äthertheorien Bernhard Schaeffer, Werkstatt für Dezentrale Energieforschung, Berlin 18.00 Uhr Pause 18.30 Uhr Podiumsdiskussion zu neuen Energietechnologien 19.30 Uhr Schlußwort Veranstaltungort: Tagungsgebühren: UFA-Fabrik Berlin e.V. Teilnahmegebühr incl. Kongreßunterlagen DM 95,- Viktoriastraße 10-18, 12105 Berlin Ermäßigt mit Nachweis DM 70,- Veranstalter/Anmeldung: Andreas Manthey, Bleibtreustraße 4, D-10623 Berlin Tel.: 030 / 312 31 19 Fax: 030 / 312 66 92 email: andreas.manthey@berlin.de -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 14:06:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA06176; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:05:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3960FF2D.27EFA048@harti.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:01:33 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , Free Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3hq9_2.0.KW1.W0GOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Declaration of Berlin addendum to free energy conference J. Gruber 03.07.00 Berliner Erklärung zur "Freien Energy" Die unterzeichnenden Wissenschaftler erklären: Über die Solar-, Wind- und Wasserkraft hinaus gibt es in der Natur eine erneuerbare Energiequelle, die bisher noch wenig erforscht ist und technisch i.d.R. noch nicht in größerem Umfang genutzt werden kann. Diese regenerative Energie wird mit Begriffen wie z.B. Raumenergie, Vakuumfeldenergie, Quantenenergie oder Freie Energie beschrieben. Sie wird auch mit Kalter Fusion und Sonolumineszenz in Verbindung gebracht. Immer mehr Wissenschaftler widmen sich diesem Forschungsgebiet. Es gibt neuere physikalische Theorien (auch in anerkannten Physikzeitschriften veröffentlicht), die die Existenz und die prinzipielle Nutzbarkeit dieser Energiequelle begründen. Es gibt experimentell nachweisbare und reproduzierbare Effekte, die sich mit den herkömmlichen Theorien nicht erklären lassen. Hier besteht akuter Bedarf für wissenschaftliche Forschung und ingenieurmäßige Entwicklung. Es gilt, auch in Deutschland den Anschluß an die internationale Entwicklung zu fördern. Die unterzeichnenden Wissenschaftler fordern daher die rasche Einrichtung eines staatlich finanzierten Instituts für Raumenergie-Technik (RET), das vor allem als Clearingstelle für Information zu diesem Thema arbeitet. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 15:04:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA28894; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:01:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:01:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20000703220016.94757.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.152.104.94] From: "timothy richardson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: Gravity Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:00:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_tFE03.0.J37.wqGOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I too have had dealings with extraterrestrials. THEY TURNED ME INTO A NEWT! (I got better) : P Tim Richardson ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 15:30:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04395; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:30:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:30:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bfe53e$18024c00$753dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000703220016.94757.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:29:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nqR_l2.0.P41.uFHOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive Hello; Since joining the group, I have made it my habit of saving the most pertinent of e-mails on a floppy disc; depending mainly on topic, then ditching the rest. If I need to go back to an earlier posting for some tidbit, I just go to the e-scribe archive. Lo and behold, I find that the portion of yesterday's (July 2) correspondence, from the time I e-mailed in my thoughts on the Thiouba website, on into the evening, is gone. I recall recieving a couple more banterings from the group, but they are gone from the archive. Am I seeing things here, or did part of the archive get zapped? Sometimes I tell myself I ought to be more paranoid. Then I say, "ah damn the torpedos, who cares if the Thioureans can zap the archive..." Maybe this has happened before. Any ideas from Bill or others? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 16:03:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15185; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:03:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:03:02 -0700 Message-ID: <39611562.929C061A@dabney.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:36:18 -0500 From: "Red Leader" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive References: <20000703220016.94757.qmail@hotmail.com> <001501bfe53e$18024c00$753dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OjK3Z3.0.6j3.bkHOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Nick Reiter wrote: > > Hello; > > Since joining the group, I have made it my habit of saving the most > pertinent of e-mails on a floppy disc; depending mainly on topic, then > ditching the rest. If I need to go back to an earlier posting for some > tidbit, I just go to the e-scribe archive. > Lo and behold, I find that the portion of yesterday's (July 2) > correspondence, from the time I e-mailed in my thoughts on the Thiouba > website, on into the evening, is gone. I recall recieving a couple more > banterings from the group, but they are gone from the archive. Am I seeing > things here, or did part of the archive get zapped? > Sometimes I tell myself I ought to be more paranoid. Then I say, "ah > damn the torpedos, who cares if the Thioureans can zap the archive..." > Maybe this has happened before. Any ideas from Bill or others? LOL. All the FREENRG-L messages are archived on Bill's site. You could probably find them there. If they're gone from there as well, we need to start worrying. --- Emmett HAwkins From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 16:51:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA31006; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:50:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:50:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer In-Reply-To: <20000702010135.31819.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"j6hrw3.0.Na7.LRIOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Mister Boffo wrote: > I've long had an interest in this technology known as scalar energy and > always wanted to find some way to detect it. Supposedly you can detect > "paranormal energies" with your body, but after some long thorough > explorations, I find it hard to tell if whatever I'm "sensing" is real or if > it's just my imagination. That's why I find this gradiometer so interesting. > Finally, a device so I can get a "Second Opinion" on what my biology seems > to be sensing... > > http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/grado.html Bob Shannon's device, not mine (I never tried building one myself.) Here's a dead-simple version, but with less sensitivity: CHARGE DETECTOR http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html > While I may be clueless about the electronics details, I am definitely not > short on ideas here. If there's a way to make them inexpensively, I think > it'd be interesting to build not just one, but maybe a whole "layer" or > "cube" of them. Since each one has a pair of long antenna rods, a "layer" of them would be very large! I build just such an array for a science museum. It's antennas are little machine screws on plastic insulators: ARRAY ELECTROMETER http://www.amasci.com/electrom/electrom.html It lets you see a 2D field. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 16:58:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA01618; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:57:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:57:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bfe54a$4b30e760$7b3dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000703220016.94757.qmail@hotmail.com> <001501bfe53e$18024c00$753dee3f@default> <39611562.929C061A@dabney.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:56:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"D0Ce61.0.vO.kXIOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > LOL. All the FREENRG-L messages are archived on Bill's site. You could > probably find them there. If they're gone from there as well, we need to > start worrying. ****** Thats what I mean. Part of the set of communications is apparently gone from the e-scribe version of the archive for yesterday! All of the back and forth from the late morning, afternoon, and evening is missing. Unless not everything that goes to freenrg-l gets archived. I did not check the text file version of the archive. Maybe it is there. I usually just reference the e-scribe file archive. > --- > Emmett HAwkins > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 17:14:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA07467; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:13:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:13:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Beaty Electrostatic Gradiometer In-Reply-To: <000701bfe3c6$3b393d60$393dee3f@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vV_z13.0.aq1.qmIOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Nick Reiter wrote: > 1. I built mine on Vector board, so I can't offer any pc board layout. This is probably a good idea. The surface leakage of a PC board might mess up the input circuit's resistances. > 2. The "gimmick" twisted LC tweaker is absolutely necessary, and I had to > fiddle with it a lot before I got stable readings. If I interpret the circuit by conventional physics, then I must conclude that the capacitor C3 is being used as a billion-ohm resistor... and the "gimmick" is being used as a hundred-billion-ohm resistor. Or something like that. A nano-amp ammeter could be used to measure the actual resistances. What we have here is a conventional op-amp, but with an enormous input resistance (and a fairly large feedback resistor.) The "gimmick" employs the slight conductivity of plastic insulation. It might be more stable if you used a piece of zip cord, then trimmed it shorter until you attained the desired level of gain. Twisted wires might relax over time, or might change their level of resistance because of vibration. Or track down one of those 10,000 megohm instrumentation resistors and use that instead of the gimmick. > 3. The ultra-high resistance across the sense antenna is also critical. I > found that my unit actually worked better by simply clipping out this > resistor set, and using the 500M-ohm plus air resistance. The resistance of air is infinite, unless there are ions present. The conductivity of those .01 and 100pf capacitors is significant, so they are being used both as filters and also as resistors to ground. Any skin oils on the vectorboard or on the antenna insulators would also create some extra resistors to ground, which would vary with humidity. I bet the readings will change if you blow your warm, moist breath on the device. It might help to seal the case well, and put a bag of "dri-rite" silica gel inside. Mounting the antennas on longish plastic rods might help (with holes drilled lengthwise through the rods, for the connecting wires. > It also gets pegged easily by the operator scuffing > his feet on carpet! Ah, I wondered about that. From looking at the circuit, I would have assumed that it was unusable, since the slightest shoe-scuffing should send it into overload. It could be improved by building the entire device onto a long plastic rod, with the meter and switches near your hand, and the antennas, IC1, R1, and associated components out on the far end. That would get it away from your body-voltage, and you wouldn't have to touch the meter case. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 17:31:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13530; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:31:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20000704003029.23573.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"MeusI.0.FJ3.51JOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Nick Reiter wrote: > > Hello; > > Since joining the group, I have made it my habit of > saving the most > pertinent of e-mails on a floppy disc; depending > mainly on topic, then > ditching the rest. If I need to go back to an > earlier posting for some > tidbit, I just go to the e-scribe archive. > Lo and behold, I find that the portion of > yesterday's (July 2) > correspondence, from the time I e-mailed in my > thoughts on the Thiouba > website, on into the evening, is gone. I recall > recieving a couple more > banterings from the group, but they are gone from > the archive. Am I seeing > things here, or did part of the archive get zapped? > Sometimes I tell myself I ought to be more > paranoid. Then I say, "ah > damn the torpedos, who cares if the Thioureans can > zap the archive..." > Maybe this has happened before. Any ideas from > Bill or others? > Yes , it does happen once in a while. I went back to the archives to give a case example where it happened to me, but of course these were not archived, because those entries never made it to the archive. Thus I really cant determine what entry I wrote that never made it to the archive, having deleted my own records. I think I made a fuss about it and quit the list for awhile. This was in Oct 99. Incidentally subscribers to the list should understand that simply sending a Unsubscribe message as the subject line does not unsubscribe one from the list; that has to be sent to a different request address contained in the joining list letter sent when one subscribes. Following is a past latter under that heading, in which the enormity of the issue may have not been seen, So I am going off topic to repeat it: (from Unsubscribe, Oct 99) . The difference between a generator and a motor function can simply be stated that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this means is that when an AC generator is putting out max amperage:(top of the sine wave), and we compared that to the same instant in time if the device were functioning in reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming zero amperage instantly in the same relative field/armature position, and not another equivalent action of accepting full amperage. This is because the polarity reversal of input amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same time as maximum amperage out as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor way of trying to explain, but it simply means that the polarity changes that occur on generator/motor actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to both models. Additionally this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of field/armature, which everything is built on this principle, and NOT a Newman design where a magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I assume a motor rebuilder of your credentials is well aware of these facts. Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have not seen it mentioned by others I will state again some further facts you may not be aware of. When a magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the amperage observed on an oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with the imposed flux change. The above described condition of motor/generator actions being 90 degrees out of phase do not apply in this special circumstance. In the side model action a motor does exactly act as a generator in reverse. The reason this design is never used commercially is probably due to the torque interaction between field and magnet/armature being much weaker. If one also puts the coil with the poles facing a rotating magnet as in conventional design, as paradoxical as it may sound, it is my observation that the current in the coil observed on the scope occurs after the magnet has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that these observations may not hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with air core coils as Newman uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil is acting exactly as if an AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts from its inductive reactance to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the source voltage change, or in this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later from the impressed flux change of the rotating magnet. Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating side magnet/coil acts as a resonant input, while the polar model acts as a non resonant input, exactly similar to inductive reactance actions. Because of the fact that Newman uses this side design, and has noted a double reversal action from scope readings where the width of the magnet vs width of coil inner diameter produced this sort of double reversal, the idea of making a hybrid pole/side coil arrangement is initially considered not worth exploring or even rediculous. It is also rediculous not to look past ones nose to explore new possibilities. That was exactly what I did in 1992! I used 2 polar coils in coordination with 2 side coils for a total of 4 field coils, and I will have to say this more than once because of misbelief or ignorance. While the polar coils normally give the strongest torque on a magnet rotor suspended on an axis, and the side coils normally give the weaker, when they are combined they give a torque stronger than either method alone! This occurs at the position when the magnet sweeps the side of the coil, exactly similar to Newman device, only that torque is opposite to its normal action with the side coils acting alone. It is stronger than what the polar coils will produce when the magnet is near the poles of those field coils! What this means is that the polar coils can blink on and off instead of the side ones to make a momentary fwd emf effect on the whole system instead of a back emf. This is however speculation, as I have not done this. However if anyone on the list doubts what I am saying here I will go out of my way to copy the vhs tape record of this copper magnetic motor and send it to them. I think I posted this idea on freenrg archives as Magnetic Compression. When the scope was connected to the 4 coils in series and the magnet rotor was spun, it produced something resembling a square wave. Recall that normally the polar coils produced a current after the fact of the flux change: 90 degrees out of phase. At the same time this occurs the magnet is already sweeping the side coils, with their instantaneous resonant action and by reversing the common sense connections to these coils in series, they will also provide a current in the same direction, filling in the missing portion of the of the double reversal normally observed when the polar coils are used alone. {This is also archived as a drawing made several days later, in which a mistake may have been noted, will repost if this is found, HDN} ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 17:57:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22928; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:56:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:56:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20000704005624.23446.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Invitation to a Berlin,Germany based free energy conference To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ZD4Rh3.0.2c5.NPJOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ich wohne in der Vereiningten Staaten, Verstehen sie nicht Deutsch. HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 19:46:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27845; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:45:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:45:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <395FF10D.8FAC0677@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NBMVo.0.wo6.Y_KOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: biomolecules use Casimer structures to catalyse reactions On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Rich Murray wrote: > > Murray: Little & Puthoff: biomolecules use Casimer structures to > catalyse reactions 7.2.00 > > July 2 2000 Hello Vortexans, Little and Puthoff are soon testing a > very simple prediction that Casimer effects from a tiny resonant > structure with conducting walls will change the interior spectrum > of zero-point-energy fluctuations of the quantum vacuum and thus > cause a major shift in the dissociation energy of the H2 molecule. > They wouldn't even try this experiment, if they weren't sure that > it will work. In fact, if they get an unexpected result, that will be > an even bigger discovery than would be confirmation of their > predictions, because they will have proved an anomaly in > fundamental quantum physics-- so they can't lose either way. > > Surely this principle would have been exploited by natural > selection to be a fundamental feature of biochemical > catalysis: small, precise, structures of conducting > molecules to create regions in which chemical energies > are adjusted to maximize the precise and efficient > disassociation and recombination of complex molecules. > > I had this insight, just now, explaining the Little-Puthoff > experiment to my acapuncturist friend Sondra Spies, at our > kitchen table, when she replied, "Well, it must apply > somehow to biology." > > Rich Murray > > Scott Little wrote on July 2 2000: > > However, another significant reason we're not making any progress on > the Hi-Fi replication is that I'm busy getting ready for our beamtime > allotment (July 10-July28) at the synchrotron facility in Madison, > Wisconsin. We have an exciting experiment planned, to see if the > vibrational ground state of the H2 molecule is not fixed but rather a > dynamic equilibrium with the zero-point field. We will place H2 > molecules in a Casimir cavity which excludes ZPF radiation at the > vibrational frequency and then look to see if the ground states have > lost some energy. We will use the classic spectroscopic method > pioneered by Beutler (1933) and then Herzberg (1960-1970) to > measure the dissociation energy of the H2 molecule. If the > ground state loses some energy, the dissociation energy must increase > correspondingly. We're expected a large effect (like half of the > normal ground state energy), not a tiny Lamb shift thing. > > Scott Little little@earthtech.org > Hal Puthoff puthoff@earthtech.org > EarthTech International, Inc. > 4030 Braker Lane West, Suite 300 > Austin TX 78759 > 512-342-2185 > 512-346-3017 (FAX) > http://www.earthtech.org > > H. E. Puthoff, "Ground State of Hydrogen as a > Zero-Point-Fluctuation-Determined State," > Phys. Rev. D 35, 3266 (1987). > > H. E. Puthoff, "Zero-Point Fluctuations of the Vacuum as the Source of > Atomic Stability and the Gravitational Interaction," > Proc. of the British Soc. for the Philosophy of Science > Intern'l Conf. "Physical Interpretations of Relativity Theory," > Imperial College, London, ed. M. C. Duffy > (Sunderland Polytechnic, 1988). > > H. E. Puthoff, "Gravity as a Zero-Point-Fluctuation Force," > Phys. Rev. A 39, 2333 (1989); Phys. Rev. A 47, 3454 (1993). > > H. E. Puthoff, "On the Source of Vacuum Electromagnetic Zero-Point > Energy," Phys. Rev. A 40, 4857 (1989); > Errata and Comments, Phys. Rev. A 44, 3382, 3385 (1991). > > H. E. Puthoff, "Everything for Nothing," > New Sci. 127, 52 (28 July 1990). > > B. Haisch, A. Rueda, and H. E. Puthoff, "Inertia as a Zero-Point Field > Lorentz Force," Phys. Rev. A 49, 678 (1994). > See also Science 263, 612 (1994). > > B. Haisch, A. Rueda, and H. E. Puthoff, "Beyond E = mc2," The Sciences > (NY Acad. of Sciences) 34, 26 (Nov/Dec 1994). > > B. Haisch, A. Rueda, and H. E. Puthoff. "Physics of the Zero-Point > Field: Implications for Inertia, Gravitation and Mass," > Spec. in Sci. and Technology 20, 99 (1997). > ********************************************************** > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 20:02:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA01032; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:02:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:02:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: biomolecules use Casimer structures to catalyse reactions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GPyhe3.0.1G.uELOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Scott Little wrote: > The situation is not as rosy as this sounds. QM predicts only an > ultra-tiny shift in the ground state, which our experiment will not be able > to detect. Therefore if we get a null result...i.e. no observed shift in > the ground state, nobody will take much notice because it'll be consistent > with QM's predictions. Wow! The whole concept is stunning. I've been arguing with people for months about atoms as hi-Q electromagnetic resonators, and about the true nature of "Photons." It never occured to me to consider the presence of ZPE noise as a possible component of interatomic forces. Doh! But now the light bulb has turned on for me. If your experiment is wildly successful, here's something to ponder: perhaps the hydrogen bond itself is entirely produced by a variation on the same phenomenon you're investigating. No shared electrons, but ZPE electromagnetism instead. If an H atom is analogous to a high-Q electromagnetic resonator, and if space is full of ZPE "noise," then each passive atomic resonator should be driven as an oscillator, but an oscillator which does not detectably radiate any EM waves (it would be in equilibrium with the ZPE). However, in the electromagnetic nearfield region, each atom's oscillating EM field would be significant. Two adjacent H atoms would behave as coupled oscillators, and should experience a significant mechanical force between them. The force might even vary in an interesting way versus the separation distance. Has Hal ever seen these papers? H. Paul and R. Fischer "Light Absorbtion by a dipole", SOV. PHYS. USP., 26(10) Oct. 1983 pp 923-926 C. F. Bohren, "How can a particle absorb more than the light incident on it?", Am J Phys, 51 #4, pp323 Apr 1983 They deal with atoms as resonant receivers (rather than as photon- colliders.) The authors note that during the act of optical absorbtion, an atom creates a coherent AC electromagnetic field around itself, therefore acting as if it is much larger than 0.1nM across. As far as I know, mainstream physics totally ignores this sort of AC field phenomenon. But what if the same kind of oscillating EM field arises even around all ground-state atoms, since the ZPE drives the oscillations? Such a thing should impact all of particle physics, and especially chemistry. Another biological implication: if molecular structures have strong EM resonances, and if the ZPE makes them oscillate, then the coupling forces should be significant across 1/4-wavelength distances. Since these frequencies are typically in the infrared, then a distance of a single 1/4-wavelength will span across thousands of molecular diameters. This means that the quantum uncertainty in atomic bonding might not just be fuzzy whitenoise, but it might be hiding a wideband "communication channel" by which molecules could attract each other over large distances. Possibilities which spring to mind: how do bio-molecules seek out membrane receptors? Perhaps a bio-molecule is attracted to a receptor-site over a great distance, while at the same time ignoring all other receptors whose fields have the wrong resonance "code". And how does the relatively small ribosome attract the appropriate nucleic acid building blocks during its manufacturing of RNA? Maybe it uses this long-range ZPE bonding force to pull them in over relatively vast distances. During certain types of crystal growth, sometimes a long-range organizing factor exists which is not easily explained by the geometry of close-packing. If atoms and molecules can selectively affect each other over hundreds of nanometers distance, then the long-range structure of certain crystals (such as the wierd layering of hi-temp superconductors, and the complicated structure of Penrose aperiodic crystals) would be readily explained. I'm sure that many other obscure phenomenon would suddenly become explainable if a long range and SELECTIVE bonding force exists. Attraction between separate clusters of EM resonators driven by ZPE might supply such a force. Heh. It might even explain telepathy and "subtle energy." If two very complex resonators are near each other and are "illuminated" by ZPE, and if one of them is put into and out of resonance, then the other will detect the change. They would "broadcast" a spread-spectrum whitenoise ZPE signal which is only detectable by another identical resonator. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 21:18:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA29806; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:18:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:22:30 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WgoK-.0.ZH7._LMOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Robin, As always, a pleasure to encounter a somewhat sane voice in the crowd. Responses below. Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > In reply to Michael Johnston's message of Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:17:15 -0400: > > > > In what sense is the proton of an atom (presumably hydrogen), supposed to be > the "source of the energy" (and what energy)? Well, if you remember the old planetary model of the atom, part of that scenario was that the proton, in the atom's nucleus, radiated energy or "lines of force" outward in straight lines in all directions. Electrons on the other hand "received" energy from all directions. Whether you consider it as magnetic energy or electrical energy or both of those types as being different expressions of the same thing the concept was like that. > > > >Energy radiates out from the sun > >and the orbiting earth cuts these lines of force. This causes earth's electric > >and magnetic fields or intensifies natural fields due to iron in the planets > >core. I am making the comparison to the old planetary model of the atom. > > Granted, there appears to be a geometrical analogy, but I'm not sure how far > you can carry it without it resulting in nonsense conclusions. True. But I am not very inhibited by the danger of making an ass out of myself chasing my latest wild theory (as should be obvious by now). And it started out very innocently as just a geometrical curiosity but the more I consider it and the more research I do the more interesting it gets. I am drawing comparisons not just from atomic models but from electrodynamics as well in so far as the shape and behavior of electro magnetic fields in various situations. Look at a picture of the earth's magnetosphere and how it streams back and away from the earth as the earth cuts through the energy field of the sun. Then go to a diagram of a generator and look at how the field of the coil is affected by cutting the magnetic lines of force of the magnet. > >It > >seems that we live on the diamagnetic surface of the "coil" in a huge > >generator. > > Why diamagnetic? That is just based on the elements in the earth's crust. I suppose that to be honest you would have to consider the iron core, which is ferromagnetic, the granite crust, which is 90% quartz (piezoelectric and paramagnetic) and the balance which is predominately diamagnetic. After all water covers 70% of the surface and is diamagnetic. That brings to mind the fact that when you rub oppositely charged diamagnetic things together you sometimes get a nice charge out of it. Lightning, etc... Also to further refine the thought, we actually live on an AC generator. Why? Because the Sun's magnetic field reverses every 11 years. Instead of 60 cps we get 100 cycles per millennium (cpm) It is like a mix of "regular" (current) electricity and static electricity. The earth, in all of it's complexity is an isolated point in space and so would build up a charge but it would be static overall as there is no circuit for it to be discharged through. If on the other hand a renegade planet came into the solar system and was traveling in a retrograde orbit it should acquire an opposite charge to that of the earth. If two such planets ever got close to each other (without actually colliding) it might be really interesting in the form of electrical discharge. > > > >We are surrounded by energy. It makes solar cells seem kinda stupid. > >That's like using a thermocouple to generate electricity from the heat provided > >by an electric oven! Hint: Why not just use the electricity that supplies the > >oven? > > How would you suggest this be done? Faraday did it in several ways. First by rotating a coil of copper wire (which was wound over a soft iron core which had been demagnetized by heating) so that it cut the earths magnetic lines of force. Another way was with rotating disc's of copper and another was with a rotating copper globe. They all worked. But had to be aligned correctly. He placed them by using a compass to find north and angled them at 70 degrees to approximate the curvature of the earth. If he changed the alignment too much it no longer worked. Imagine the back emf on those babies....... Like I said it was just a thought but it seems like there is something to it. It makes me happy to play with it at any rate. MJ > > [snip] > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do > to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 3 21:18:44 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA29866; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:18:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:18:25 -0700 Message-ID: <39616697.C1056E2B@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:22:47 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: now for something completely different... References: <20000702011539.24455.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01bfe3c7$288ba260$393dee3f@default> <39606A12.56717C07@dove.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wfRV82.0.ZI7.EMMOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, We have one in pennsylvania too. They call it "Gravity Hill". Maybe big magnet in the earth. Maybe example of hysterisis in the generator earth's crust... MJ gsawyer wrote: > > And here in South Australia is a "Magnetic Hill", you drive DOWN > into a gully (or depression), release the handbrake and ... > > Your vehicle rolls back up to the crest of the hill, tried plumb-bobs > and they SEEM to indicate that it is not just an illusion, long time > since I was last there though, I believe there are a couple of other > spots in Australia with similar characteristics (One near Scone - > the burning mountain in New South Wales ). > > That was just FYI. > > Regards, > Glenville > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Glenville T. Sawyer > Alternative Energy Experimenter, Amateur Radio Operator > http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net > -------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 02:31:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA13364; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:31:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.206.208.248] From: "Mister Boffo" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:30:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zkuOp3.0.aG3.hxQOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? I have seen information on grid points and "ley lines" in several places, including a rather unusual set of "time travel" booklets and in some books on a "world grid", "ley lines", and so on. Many of these books and documents talk about dowsing for these things, and I guess being a "scientifically minded person", I guess I'd prefer some more "objective" tools for the job rather than dowsing, which is just so "unverifiable" by a secondary means. Here's a page on Mr. Beaty's website which mentions them and that electrostatic gradiometer which I've been asking about: Vortex Point Experiments http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/pyrexp1.html That electrostatic gradiometer is apparantly a "scientific device for finding gridpoints and related energies", and THAT is why I'm interested. Measuring electrostatic fields is not really the point here. It certainly seems possible to me that these gridpoints and ley lines may involve some sort of scalar energy fields. So a device which is capable of measuring scalar fields is probably a good bet, and that gradiometer seems to be one of the "simplest" plans yet. What I'm really looking for is some sort of plans for a scalar detector which are easy for a non-engineer to figure out how to build, and easy to explain how to do, and can be done with easy-to-find parts. Alas, most devices I can find are either theoretical, or just show off "antennas" with no explanation of how to use it in a circuit, they're complete but contain weird, obscure parts, or they DO have a relatively simple circuit plan (that electrostatic gradiometer) but it excludes all sorts complex details and assumes the reader will know enough to fill in those bits themselves. Heh, is there some place which straight out sells "scalar energy detectors" for use by "paranormal amateurs" like me? :) -Mr. Boffo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 03:24:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA28004; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:24:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3961C8FC.53BBC14E@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:22:36 -0700 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lJhXu1.0.Tr6.QjROv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have an old electronic accupuncture device called an ,'accupen'. It detects meridian points in the human body, notifies by a series of beeps and sounds. Since earth grid points are correlates then it just makes sense there has to be a simple way of detecting them. Mister Boffo wrote: > I have seen information on grid points and "ley lines" in several places, > including a rather unusual set of "time travel" booklets and in some books > on a "world grid", "ley lines", and so on. > > Many of these books and documents talk about dowsing for these things, and I > guess being a "scientifically minded person", I guess I'd prefer some more > "objective" tools for the job rather than dowsing, which is just so > "unverifiable" by a secondary means. > > Here's a page on Mr. Beaty's website which mentions them and that > electrostatic gradiometer which I've been asking about: > > Vortex Point Experiments > http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/pyrexp1.html > > That electrostatic gradiometer is apparantly a "scientific device for > finding gridpoints and related energies", and THAT is why I'm interested. > Measuring electrostatic fields is not really the point here. > > It certainly seems possible to me that these gridpoints and ley lines may > involve some sort of scalar energy fields. So a device which is capable of > measuring scalar fields is probably a good bet, and that gradiometer seems > to be one of the "simplest" plans yet. > > What I'm really looking for is some sort of plans for a scalar detector > which are easy for a non-engineer to figure out how to build, and easy to > explain how to do, and can be done with easy-to-find parts. > > Alas, most devices I can find are either theoretical, or just show off > "antennas" with no explanation of how to use it in a circuit, they're > complete but contain weird, obscure parts, or they DO have a relatively > simple circuit plan (that electrostatic gradiometer) but it excludes all > sorts complex details and assumes the reader will know enough to fill in > those bits themselves. > > Heh, is there some place which straight out sells "scalar energy detectors" > for use by "paranormal amateurs" like me? :) > > -Mr. Boffo > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 04:56:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA13682; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:56:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:56:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3961CFEB.267E25CC@harti.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:52:11 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UhZ6x1.0.dL3.h3TOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dingle=B4s?= watercar high voltage effect.. Hi Stefan, I called again today: > Hmm, I donīt understand why then he puts the words: > "producing H2 and O2 using High voltage and low Amperes" > onto his first reactor unit !!! > Maybe he NOW wants to keep this as a secret or he has redesigned it > using now only 12 Volts for the electrolysis ?? > Maybe you can nail him down on this question a bit more when > you talk to him again ? He said that the HV was for the spark plug "to get a greater fuel burning area" inside the car engine to increase efficiency. He converts the existing HV distributor system ac to dc to do this. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 05:16:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA17554; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 05:15:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 05:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:14:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"S1l0D2.0.6I4.qLTOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? > Vortex Point Experiments > http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/pyrexp1.html > > That electrostatic gradiometer is apparantly a "scientific device for > finding gridpoints and related energies", and THAT is why I'm interested. > Measuring electrostatic fields is not really the point here. ****** But it may have to be! Herein lies the rub. For as many papers and theoretical discussions that have flown to the far corners of the earth about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great ire here ) has developed an absolutely sure way to detect these, because no-one can completely agree on what they are! I've been looking for a direct primary means of measuring these fields for darn near twenty years. I have searched books on radionics from the 1930's, Bearden's stuff from the 70's and 80's, supposedly channeled info from the 1950's and 60's. I have immersed myself in Russian torsion field papers until I have to claw my way out. I have looked excitedly at claims of subtle energy influence on crystal growth or entropy. I have seen many "press releases" on "new methods that detects psychic energy directly". But you know what? They never materialize. There ARE occasional demonstrated claims of "Primary Detectors", for things like scalar fields, the vector potential, orgone, the ley energy, the biofield, etc. But under close inspection, these almost always turn out to be, if even reproducible, detectors of e-fields, ions, RF ambient, temperature, or piezoelectric potential. The Russian Tungsten torsion field detector and the Smith Binding meter may be the best candidates for detection of the truly anomalous, but they both demand rigorous use and confirmation! So my opinion is that for now, until someone can reproduce an absolutely anomalous detection, there may be no other way for detecting subtle energy, except by the secondary "mundane" effects it produces. > > What I'm really looking for is some sort of plans for a scalar detector > which are easy for a non-engineer to figure out how to build, and easy to > explain how to do, and can be done with easy-to-find parts. ****** One of the ones I'm waiting for with great hope myself is a method that one of our list members, Mr. "DEADWATE" is experimenting with. He will have descriptions up on his website soon, I am told. Hope I didn't do bad to mention that, but I didn't give it away...) > > Heh, is there some place which straight out sells "scalar energy detectors" > for use by "paranormal amateurs" like me? :) ***** Absolutely nothing I would spend money on, if you are looking for a 100% true primary detector. Maybe we are assuming that a primary detector is something like meters or devices we are used to. Perhaps it will bear no resemblance to an electronic device. Maybe ( I speculate) that Primary Detectors will need to be made of either a very high or very low entropy system, that can display varying levels of increased or decreased organization when exposed to a scalar field, vector potential, ley line, psychic emission, etc. But alas, here we tread close to that which lies on the extreme fringe of the kingdom of scientific methd! Things like bio-detectors, the human mind, tea leaves, and a dowsing rod. I SINCERELY DO hope we can find something a little more "hardware" than these, but unfortunately, until someone can actually define a "scalar field", it is extreme arrogance on our part to assume that we can say what the Primary Detector will look like. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 06:24:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA29921; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:23:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:23:50 -0700 Sender: jack@mail3.centurytel.net Message-ID: <3961E57C.7F93658E@centurytel.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:24:12 +0000 From: "Taylor J. Smith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="x" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="x" Resent-Message-ID: <"0UAyy3.0.MJ7.cLUOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Michael Johnston wrote: ... It is like a mix of "regular" (current) electricity and static electricity. The earth, in all of it's complexity is an isolated point in space and so would build up a charge but it would be static overall as there is no circuit for it to be discharged through. If on the other hand a renegade planet came into the solar system and was traveling in a retrograde orbit it should acquire an opposite charge to that of the earth. If two such planets ever got close to each other (without actually colliding) it might be really interesting in the form of electrical discharge. Jack writes: Anyone for Velikovsky? Michael Johnston wrote: We are surrounded by energy. It makes solar cells seem kinda stupid. That's like using a thermocouple to generate electricity from the heat provided by an electric oven! Hint: Why not just use the electricity that supplies the oven? Robin van Spaandonk wrote: How would you suggest this be done? Michael Johnston wrote: Faraday did it in several ways. First by rotating a coil of copper wire (which was wound over a soft iron core which had been demagnetized by heating) so that it cut the earths magnetic lines of force. Another way was with rotating disc's of copper and another was with a rotating copper globe. They all worked. But had to be aligned correctly. He placed them by using a compass to find north and angled them at 70 degrees to approximate the curvature of the earth. If he changed the alignment too much it no longer worked ... Hi Michael and Robin, These sound like interesting experiments to do now. Jack Smith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 06:47:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA02122; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:46:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:46:22 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01bfe5be$0f452580$883dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:45:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFE59C.85634E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fiv2q3.0.-W.kgUOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: oops - erroneous credit ( gradiometer) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFE59C.85634E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On my last posting, I mentioned that there was one of the list = members working with a primary energy detector, soon to post results on = his website. I got my e-mail addresses mixed up. It was not "DEADWATE", but "Mr. = DMBoss1021" who has this website. And a very good one, I might add. http://hometown.aol.com/dmboss1021/NEWPH/Index.html I sincerely apologize for the mix-up. NR ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFE59C.85634E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   On my last posting, I = mentioned that=20 there was one of the list members working with a primary energy = detector, soon=20 to post results on his website.
   I got my e-mail addresses = mixed=20 up.  It was not "DEADWATE", but "Mr. DMBoss1021" who has this=20 website.  And a very good one, I might add.
 
http://homet= own.aol.com/dmboss1021/NEWPH/Index.html
 
   I sincerely apologize for = the=20 mix-up.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFE59C.85634E80-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 08:06:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA26308; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:06:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:06:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20000704150539.24423.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Dingleīs watercar high voltage effect.. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"R6FTh3.0.zQ6.YrVOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi Stefan, > I called again today: > > > Hmm, I donīt understand why then he puts the > words: > > "producing H2 and O2 using High voltage and low > Amperes" > > onto his first reactor unit !!! > > Maybe he NOW wants to keep this as a secret or he > has redesigned it > > using now only 12 Volts for the electrolysis ?? > > Maybe you can nail him down on this question a bit > more when > > you talk to him again ? > > He said that the HV was for the spark plug "to get a > greater fuel > burning > area" inside the car engine to increase efficiency. > He converts the > existing HV distributor system ac to dc to do this. > -- Not being aquainted with Mr Dingles invention,I am interjecting a comment; It was my understanding that the efficient conversion of alternating current for purposes of voltage rise has what has already been engineered out of the strictly dc automotive electrical system. To reenginner the ac back into the automobile electrical system brings the possibility of firing the spark plugs themselves by the resonant rise of voltage, and eliminating the battery as a middle man exchanger of energy in this regard. To do this both L and C quantities must be used. The gas tank itself can safely become one desired C quantity by insulated design and a nonmagnetic gas line surrounded by windings securing an L quantity: having found these quantities by actual construction will then lead one by equation to a primary resonant frequency. A single phase of the common alternator needs to be isolated for this purpose: its common frequency at midrange engine rpm is easily 3000 hz for a beginning number to calculate the possibilities employing this method which also involves the fuel mixture being stimulated to electrical and magnetic forces from the alternator resonant process. The fact that the input freq is so high means that q values from a low inductance can also be high, with small corresponding C values needed to resonate at that frequency. It is the Q or ratio between the inductive reactance and resistance that determines this voltage rise above the meager alternator input. While this has gone far off topic it is my opinion that there is also a correct way and a wrong way to harness this voltage rise. The correct way is to build dual resonant rises in opposite voltage directions analogous to the construction of a center tap transformer with bifilar windings. This of course implies dual capacities to interact with dual inductances.Interacting each system with the other can raise the total Q, or voltage rise of the entire system beyond that of a solitary LC voltage rise. In preliminary investigations I have found gasoline to be quite stable in the presence of high frequency electric fields, and have constructed excellant high freq effects utilizing gasoline in an arc gap scenario. Undoubtably a dangerous limit may exist here. Sincerely Repeating an Idea: Harvey D Norris ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 10:02:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA26609; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:01:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:01:28 -0700 From: RoConroy@aol.com Message-ID: <22.7fc0f83.26937240@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:00:48 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"uDGTS.0.gV6.dXXOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 7/4/00 7:16:06 AM Central Daylight Time, reit@ezworks.net writes: << But it may have to be! Herein lies the rub. For as many papers and theoretical discussions that have flown to the far corners of the earth about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great ire here ) has developed an absolutely sure way to detect these, because no-one can completely agree on what they are! >> I am trying to set up a simple experiment which might have some correlation to your post. The device I propose to use is a simple Caduceus Staff of Hermes, which is none other than two wires coiled around a ferrous rod so that the ascending wires are perpendicular to one another on the rod. The tails of the wires being connected to an AC frequency generator. (pictures and photos of a simple Caduceus Staff can be found at URL: http://science.zerion.com/caduceus.htm) Background Information: The physician symbol is the Staff of Hermes. Hermes is also considered to be the builder of the Geops pyramid. From the ratios of the Great Pyramid's symmetries, one can derive a Golden Mean type musical intervaled pentatonic scale in which to feed into the Caduceus Staff. The pivotal frequency used can be derived from a decimaled scalar value of the pyramid's perimeter, using pyramid inches. That would be 432 hertz. The pentatonic scale can be found at URL: http:www.geocities.com/goldenmeandomes/ (under (Zero Point Energy Portal)) I propose the round ball at the top of the Caduceus Staff be a Mean Proportion Geodesic, of which I will upload a photo of one I cut out of crystal to the above URL in the near future. I propose using the Golden Mean Geodesic because I believe Nature was geometrically created from the 3 basic lengths of the Golden Mean Geodesic, and I believe to effect that Nature, one must use the same geometries. I think the rod will work in a somewhat dangerous manner without the crystal, but I expect it will work in a non destructive manner with the crystal and proper frequency be applied. I am quite out of my experience field when working with anything but standard 110 house wiring electricity, so any helping comments would be appreciated in setting up this experiment. Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 11:48:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA29866; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:48:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:48:09 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <22.7f9d74c.26938b40@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:47:28 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_22.7f9d74c.26938b40_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"klf6T2.0.QI7.f5ZOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Found pulse in wire paper I wrote in 1997! --part1_22.7f9d74c.26938b40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Horace! See attached drawing for better illustration Set to Evan Soule by author Butch LaFonte Posted by Evan Soule on vortex 4/11/97 at 9:10 AM: ______________________________________________________ Historical Note: No doubt the reader is familiar with the popular story about Einstein's "thought experiment" regarding his "riding on a beam of light." The following "thought experiment" may also help one to think 'outside the square.' E. Soule' (Drawings converted to ascii format by ERS) ______________________________________________________ From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:43:14 -0400 (EDT) To: josephnewman@earthlink.net Subject: Thought experiment from H.W. (Butch) LaFonte ANALYSIS OF THOUGHT EXPERIMENT CONCERNING BEHAVIOR OF POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CHARGES IN A SUPER CONDUCTING DIRECT CURRENT CIRCUIT AND THE ASSOCIATED BEHAVIOR OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD THAT SURROUNDS THE SOLID CONDUCTOR OF THE CIRCUIT DURING THE INITIAL ELECTRICAL IMPULSE THROUGH THE CIRCUIT AUTHOR: HAROLD W. LA FONTE Copyright 3-26-96 First posting: 4-11-97 Figure 1. CIRCUIT LENGTH 1 LIGHT HOUR (669,600,000 MILES) FROM VOLTAGE SOURCE TO POINT E (1,339,200,000 MILES TOTAL CIRCUIT LENGTH) [Note: Some mail programs may distort the ascii diagrams; it is hoped that the recipient can reconstruct the original diagram, if necessary.] _____________________________________________ | C ^ | | | | A | (+) | | ------- | | | | Direct Current | | | | Voltage Source | | E | | | | ------- 6 ft. | B | (-) | | | | | | D v | _____________________________________________ \ \___________ Superconducting Wire This simple looking circuit as shown in figure 1, has some very interesting aspects. In talking with physics and electrical instructors that teach on the college level, many believed that a large number of students at all levels lacked knowledge of the fundamental behavior of this circuit. It appears to me that the initial behavior of current flow (electron drift), with respect to current impulse, and the formation of a magnetic field around a conductor of this length has not been presented in any text books or publications of any type to my knowledge. The behavior of the magnetic field around this straight conductor of such length, I believe, will behave in a very unique way. I think the field will take on a "pumping" type action not seen in any type circuit described previously. I see the expanding magnetic field along such a long conductor causing a back EMF that will begin to decrease the current rise. When this is sensed by the magnetic field at the beginning of the conductor, the field will collapse and try to maintain the present current flow . When this field collapses and the current rate starts to reach zero, the field will start to re-establish. This will start a wave like "pumping action," in my opinion. If this wave aspect does exist, then the circuit would have a wave-particle duality as does light. The electron aspect of the circuit being the particle aspect, the wave "pumping action" of the magnetic field being the wave aspect. There are other unique aspects to this circuit also, that I will cover in this paper. I believe that every student should have knowledge of the fundamental behavior of this circuit, though it has no practical application at this time. The sequence of events in this circuit as the circuit is simultaneously closed at the positive and negative terminals of the power source are as follows: 1. An electrical impulse originates at near light speed from the negative terminal of the battery, electron drift is started at this instant also, but at a slower speed, less than a millimeter per second for a current of one ampere flowing through a wire of very small diameter, such as the filament of a light bulb. A magnetic field starts to build around the conductor at this instant also. The only resistance to current flow (electron drift) in the direction from point B to point E is the counter-electromotive force induced in the opposite direction by the expanding magnetic field around the conductor. 2. At the same time that current flow starts at the negative terminal toward point E, electrons start flowing into the voltage source at the positive terminal, causing a progression of positive charged atoms to originate in the wire from point A to point E at near light speed. These atoms are bound in the solid conductor and they do not drift down the wire as do the negative charged electrons drifting from the negative terminal of the voltage source, point B to point E. A magnetic field builds around the wire, starting at the positive terminal of the voltage source, and progresses down the wire toward point E at the same rate as the magnetic field in the lower wire in the illustration. To help visualize this, what has happened after the circuit was closed at the voltage source is, two magnetic fields are building around the wires starting at the voltage source, and are racing "neck and neck" to point E to meet with each other. 3. It needs to be made clear that electron drift does not get left behind at the voltage source by the electrical impulse traveling at near light speed, but is continuously initiated at the leading point of the impulse. In other words, the electrical impulse strikes the electrons in its path and initiates their drift. The impulse at near light speed and the initiation of electron drift at near light speed must not be confused with the actual speed of the drift, it being much slower as stated previously. 4. Now we come to some very interesting aspects of this circuit. First, with a circuit one light hour long, with the electrical impulses from the voltage source being at points C and D, heading toward point E , a person at point E with a meter would not have any indication of electrical activity in the circuit for thirty minutes. He could actually cut the wires and the impulses traveling in the two wires toward him at near light speed, would behave no differently! The impulses at this point do not know if they are in an open circuit or a closed circuit! If you were to put a light bulb in the circuit at point D, the light would reach the person at point E before the electrical impulse, even with the wires cut at point E, due to the impulse being slightly slower than the speed of light due to its travel in the wire. After the two impulses meet, a continuous transfer of impulses from atom to atom by negatively charged electrons takes place while the actual drift of electrons is also continuous. The direction of electron drift is from the negative terminal around to the positive terminal of the voltage source. 5. Another interesting aspect of this circuit is if the superconductor weighed the same as #30 gauge copper wire, and the two wires were put close together before the circuit was closed, the wires would want to repel each other due to their currents flowing in opposite directions. If they did repel each other only 1/4", then 833,702,726 pounds or 416,850 tons of wire would have been moved! That's roughly the weight of 208,000 large automobiles. What if the voltage source was a AAA battery 1.5v? Figure 2. CIRCUIT LENGTH 1 LIGHT HOUR (669,600,000 MILES) FROM VOLTAGE SOURCE TO POINT E (1,339,200,000 MILES TOTAL CIRCUIT LENGTH) switch light ___________ _____ (Y)_____________________ | / C ^ | | / | | A | (+) | | ------- | | | | Direct Current | | | | Voltage Source | | E | | | | ------- 6 ft. | B | (-) | | | | | | D v | _____________________________________________ \ \___________ Superconducting Wire 6. If you were to put a light bulb a few feet from the positive terminal in the circuit, and as the two magnetic fields meet at point E, you were to short out the circuit at the switch shown in figure 2 at switching time = 0, the current would decrease exponentially to zero, during this time, ( this inductive time constant needs to be calculated ) the light bulb would continue to burn, though decreasing in brightness. This would take place with the voltage source disconnected! This takes place after the light burned for one hour during the original pulse! SUMMARY 1. The inductive time constant of this circuit is at this point unknown to me. This time constant is, in my opinion, the governing factor in the behavior of this circuit. This value needs to be formulated. 2. The wave properties of the magnetic field that surround the conductor need to be analyzed, if indeed they do exist. 3. The total amount of energy stored in the magnetic field for a given current flow would be of interest also. 4. The circuit, I believe, needs to be mathematically verified. If one looks deeper into the possible behavior of this circuit, much can be learned and made available to the student. Certain anomalies with respect to energy conservation laws will have to be explained. This simple circuit as part of a thought experiment might explain some of the over-unity claims being reported in this country (i.e., Joseph Newman) and in JAPAN and other countries. If we cannot or simply will not take the time to analyze the behavior of this circuit, that is, the cemf, with respect to wave properties, inductive time constant, and the total energy of the magnetic field, and the total power available from that field, we will continue to work within a science of which we don't fully understand the fundamentals. I would greatly appreciate anyone willing to help in verifying this circuit behavior. Figure 3. (Please draw lines connecting the asterisks) [Drawn lines actually intersect the horizontal & cross over] Expanding Field Collapsing Field (being pumped) (pumping) \ * / \ / \ * * / * * * ------------------------------------------solid conductor * * * * * * Figure 4. (Please draw lines connecting the asterisks) [Drawn lines actually intersect the horizontal & cross over] (Vertically compressed versions of Figure 3] * * * * * * * * * -----------------------------solid conductor------------ * * * * * * * * * H. W. (BUTCH) LAFONTE 119 ROBERT E. 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ZTbrBGnbSEq+eeqwnhhlaUtd+lKYxlSmM6VpTW16U5zmVKc75WlPHRIQAAA7 --part1_22.7f9d74c.26938b40_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 11:58:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA00449; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:57:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:57:35 -0700 Message-ID: <396234A8.187A2BF9@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:02:00 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <3961E57C.7F93658E@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4RtjR1.0.v6.UEZOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Yes but it might be hard these days to find a spot where you can do accurate tests without the resulting data being corrupted by the influence of other, artificially generated fields, such as those from power lines, radio and television broadcasts, cell phones, etc, etc, MJ "Taylor J. Smith" wrote: > Faraday did it in several ways. First by rotating a coil > of copper wire (which was wound over a soft iron core > which had been demagnetized by heating) so that it cut > the earths magnetic lines of force. Another way was with > rotating disc's of copper and another was with a rotating > copper globe. They all worked. But had to be aligned > correctly. He placed them by using a compass to find north > and angled them at 70 degrees to approximate the curvature > of the earth. If he changed the alignment too much it no > longer worked ... > > Hi Michael and Robin, > > These sound like interesting experiments to do now. > > Jack Smith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 12:40:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15210; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:40:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:40:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@default> References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com> <002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@default> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:40:18 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"E5EUm1.0.Uj3.fsZOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Nick - At 8:14 AM -0400 7/4/00, Nick Reiter wrote: >I've been looking for a direct primary means of measuring these fields >for darn near twenty years. Don't you like TTB's isolated and temperature controlled capacitor 'petrovoltaic' experiments? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 12:44:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA16871; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:44:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:44:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22.7fc0f83.26937240@aol.com> References: <22.7fc0f83.26937240@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:43:39 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"aj5h52.0.W74.7wZOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 1:00 PM -0400 7/4/00, RoConroy@aol.com wrote: >The pivotal >frequency used can be derived from a decimaled scalar value of the pyramid's >perimeter, using pyramid inches. I found this statement to be a bit obscure. Could you explain what all that means please? Definitions definitely needed: * Pivotal frequency * Decimaled * Scalar value * Pyramid inches - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 13:21:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA28630; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:20:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@default> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:19:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"fmwn03.0.C_6.NSaOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Don't you like TTB's isolated and temperature controlled capacitor > 'petrovoltaic' experiments? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI ****** Touche' Yes, I forgot about those. OK, lets put them up there near the top of the list, such as exists. Out of shame in my forgetfulness (geez, considering I've looked at the petrovoltaic effect plenty of times) perhaps I should try building a small shielded "pebble" sized unit, for sniffing out much more localized anomalies. Maybe the reason that TTB / PetroV didn't pop into mind in my earlier rave was because I was thinking more of "psychic" detectors of a tabletop or portable ilk. I wonder if TTB ever noticed whether or not his basalt powered metering went boinkers when certain people came around... A few years back, an enigmatic chap I met from Michigan claimed that if one took a large crystal of halite (NaCl) and put metalized pads on opposing faces, and connected this to a microvoltmeter, one could see evidence of thought or psychic energy converted into electrical potentials. Of course, halite is piezo-electric, so weeding out mechanical vibrations from ambient might be tricky. If I ever come across a choice halite cube, I may give it a whirl. Alas, so many other things to work on first, though. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 13:48:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA04886; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:48:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:48:06 -0700 Message-ID: <39624C98.76BDCAB2@harti.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:44:08 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RNpxJ1.0.BC1.6saOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Prof. Meyl will show his scalar kit ! At the upcoming Berlin free energy conference Prof. Meyl will show his first scalar energy kit at the 8th of July. Have a look here: http://www.k-meyl.de/Demo-Kit/demo-kit.html -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 16:28:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA10329; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:27:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:27:29 -0700 From: RoConroy@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.cc4a76.2693ccbd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:26:53 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"sP-Kv.0.DX2.XBdOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 7/4/00 2:44:25 PM Central Daylight Time, rick@highsurf.com writes: << I found this statement to be a bit obscure. Could you explain what all that means please? Definitions definitely needed: * Pivotal frequency * Decimaled * Scalar value * Pyramid inches >> The standard tuning frequency (international standard of tuning) for today's music is 440 HZ, except in the case of concert tuning whereas the tuning is 445 HZ = "A". The perimeter of the Geops pyramid is 43200 pyramid inches around its base. 432 is a decimal of 43200. Geops being one of the gridpoints of the "ley-lines" along with other pyramids. The musician, James Furia, has a WEB site noting the reasons to use 432 HZ. One example of the use of 432 HZ is the original Stradivarius violin was designed to be tuned to 432, and it is supposed to be the most precise instrument ever constructed by humans. The use of the term "scalar" is that 43200 pyramid inches is a quantity versus being a vector with direction. As for pyramid inch, I believe some 19th century archeologist came up with the unit of length by studying the geometry of the pyramid. It is something like 1.002 regular inches to 1 pyramid inch. The prior link I gave for the "Energy Portal" I believe has a link to a Geops Pyramid site that gives more detail. An additional comment is that Moses, the adopted son of the king of Egypt, who most likely was taught by the priest of Egypt, carried a staff by which he not only was able to part the Red Sea, but to keep the sun from moving in the sky as well as devour the snakes of the King of Egypt. Moses was also given credit for the first 5 books of the OT which from I believe you might find the blue print for the geometries of Nature, which I think might produce a key to your zero point energy source. My humble opinion, of course. In Moses case, the power of the staff may have been initiated through his own body frequency, but for the average person, I think a frequency generator is needed. Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 16:36:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13098; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:33:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: <39627316.874DE7E1@harti.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:28:22 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 2 (High) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0xh0M.0.VC3.9HdOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Dingle watercar H2 consumption Hi Piet, I guess your calculation must be somehow wrong. You donīt need the WHOLE cylinder filled up with burnable gas for every stroke, so your figures for the H2 gas are far too much ! In the videotape one can see, that the car is running at about 500 RPM idle state and it just consumes only about maybe maximum 50 to 100 milliLiter of H2 gas. (I assume this when he takes of the H2 hose you can see, that there is not much gas production) so your figures are way out of realistic numbers... It might be also a combination of a Guy Negree Aircar and a H2 burning car. Guy Negreeīs aircar also uses hot and cold air and sparks via an ignition coil to produce piston strokes, so inside the Dingle motor there is probably lots of air used instead of just only H2 and O2 for burning. Maybe he is also using the condensed watermolecules or water steam which is ripped out of the reactor with the gases for an extra thrust. So it seems as Dingle told a friend he is also using hot and cold air in an addition to just burning H2, so it might be a partial Guy Negree(Southern France) car technology also implemented with it. Regards, Stefan. --- In jlnlabs@egroups.com, Piet van der Meer wrote: > Suppose that we have a 2 litre 4-cycle engine car. This means that every > second rotation there is and air exchange of 2litres at standard temperature > and pressure. (approx. room temp ,approx. atmospheric pressure since you need > a new air fuel mixture each second revolution. Or one litre per rev. At 5000 > rpm =or 83 r.p.second that means 83 litres of air fuel mixture per second. If > we are not wise, and indeed use air for oxygen source then 20% of the air is > oxygen. 2 hydrogens molecules combine with one oxygen molecule to make one > water molecule and a lot of heat.So we get about these ratios : 23.7 litres of > Hydrogen with 59.3 litres of air (oxygen 20% Nitrogen 80%) pass through the > engine every second to give what is probably maximum power. As it happens > 23litres of hydrogen is about what is called the gram molecular volume for > gases,(22.4 l @ S.t.p.) and that takes 1 Faraday of electricity to generate > it. (Discovered by M.Faraday) which is about 93500 coulombs. To generate that > much gas in one second takes a current rate of 93500 coulombs per second or > 93500 amperes . At 2 volts that means 187000 watts or 250 horsepower if > everything is perfectly efficient. A 100 amp generator is notgoing to do > this.It doesn't matter what voltage you use it still takes 93500 coulombs of > electric charge to generate that much gas(1 gram molecular volume) . > > Now look at anybodies hydrogen powered engine with this info ., and you can > see that nobody is going to generate that much hydrogen per second in any > electrolyser or battery or the like that is mounted on the car. Any hydrogen > generated in situe may make another fuel burn better but that is not the > source of the main power. > > More later maybe:) Piet v -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 16:39:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16781; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:39:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:39:16 -0700 Message-Id: <200007042309.AA00959@133.popsvr.tokai.jaeri.go.jp> From: Motoe Suzuki Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:09:45 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Genesis coils fake ? In-Reply-To: <3961CEC3.1D28916A@harti.com> References: <3961CEC3.1D28916A@harti.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Resent-Message-ID: <"BygSD1.0.664.aMdOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Cyril and Stefan >>>>Please let me know the web page Address ? >>> OK. It is http://www.mfi.or.jp/kiyo/cgi-bin/minibbs/minibbs4.pl > >I looked at this site, could not read the characters but found the >attached gif. This is not the Genesis coil. Although labelled "negative >inductor." The web page is not the original one in which Mr.S showed his faked device and data. Mr.S's original web page (in Japanese) had been withdrawn by Mr.S last year. The web page above indicated is a forum set up by another free-energy people. As I told you in the previous mail, Mr.S's confession appeares in this web page. >I can see no reason why it should be so. Mr.S intends to dissiminate another idea of his "neative inductor", which seems very suspicious also. > I cannot see how the inclusion of other turns of copper wire can eliminate >this internal inductance. My guess is that the inventer(!!) knew that >ferrous turns had greater inductance than copper turns and in his >ignorance thought this was a "free" supply of extra external flux. Probably you are right. But I have no specific idea for the moment. >Can we have access to the exact test set up and procedures so that we >can draw our own conclusions? What do you mean by "exact test set up and procedures"? Are they the ones that Mr.S cooked-up? Or, are they the ones that I made and tested? >Informed by who? and on what basis? Here I show the duplicate of some part of my previous mail: ***** Mr.Y, met the man, Mr.S, in Mr.S's room and saw some tips of "Genesis devices"that Mr.S made. Mr.Y was not fully convinced with Mr.S's explanation, because Mr.S did not show the coil itself, but Mr.Y became not so much suspicious at that time. Some days later, Mr.S disclosed to Mr.Y that everything is just a fake and con. ***** And I was informed of the fact by Mr.Y. I have not confirmed by myself, but Mr.Y is a reliable guy, and all the circumstantial evidence, including Mr.S's remarks and dodging attitude to Mr.Y, plus test result with my coil, strongly support the fact that it is all cooke-up. $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(BRegards ///////// From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 16:47:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20841; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:47:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:47:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@default> References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@de fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@default> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:46:40 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"qyg0l.0.Y55.3UdOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> Don't you like TTB's isolated and temperature controlled capacitor >> 'petrovoltaic' experiments? >> >> - Rick Monteverde >> Honolulu, HI > > >****** Touche' Yes, I forgot about those. OK, lets put them up there near >the top of the list, such as exists. Out of shame in my forgetfulness >(geez, considering I've looked at the petrovoltaic effect plenty of times) >perhaps I should try building a small shielded "pebble" sized unit, for >sniffing out much more localized anomalies. [snip] I think you mentioned that you had done some of these experiments, that's why I took note that they weren't on your list. Easily forgiven in the context that all this stuff often tends to end up ambiguous at best as you've described. I did a series of capacitor experiments a while back, manually recording voltages on a set of caps in a metal box over time. I'd get diurnal waves that initially looked interesting, but clearly mapped to the temperature change rate. Tried to do a more thermally insulated test with an ice cooler, but bogged down and other work intervened. It did appear though that the last test mapped better to the outside temperature changes rather than the changes inside the cooler where the caps were. I guessed that temperature was causing stress on electrically active materials outside nearby that caused them to increase the 'scalar' tension that was somehow being recorded by cap self-charge rate. I'd really like to isolate temperature though. There's a sea cave near my house that might be ideal for these experiments. It's free-dive accessible, and is surrounded by ferrite & mineral bearing lava rock. I know the rock sucks RF because if I get near that stuff with a metal detector, no metal close by is detectable in its presence. I bet there are very few 'normal' frequency radio waves getting in there, and the temperature's really constant over the course of a day. So's a few feet down in the soil in the back yard, but it's really hard clay-like crud that hell to dig down in even a few inches. I'd need to be able to seal the caps in a piece of pipe and take the readings remotely either way, so the sea cave seems like the better value. Would you happen to have any low-tech ideas about getting decent reads out over a 25' wire, coax or whatever, without having the leads themselves contributing to the charging of the otherwise 'isolated' caps? I'd want to avoid something too fancy like converting microvolt readings locally to coded signals and opto-isolating to a transceiver etc. etc. Way over my head. Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 17:05:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA26783; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:05:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:05:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6e.cc4a76.2693ccbd@aol.com> References: <6e.cc4a76.2693ccbd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:05:08 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"UP0wj1.0.LY6.vkdOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 7:26 PM -0400 7/4/00, RoConroy@aol.com wrote: > > The standard tuning frequency (international standard of tuning) for >today's music is 440 HZ, except in the case of concert tuning whereas the >tuning is 445 HZ = "A". The perimeter of the Geops pyramid is 43200 pyramid >inches around its base. 432 is a decimal of 43200. Geops being one of the >gridpoints of the "ley-lines" along with other pyramids. [snip] Thanks. But the links to the pyramid info don't work regarding "pyramid inches". I still can't understand the reasons for their derivation, nor can I understand why their use is somehow involved in the frequency 432 hz. So you'd be injecting a 432 hz. AC signal into this coil, and you're hoping to see what again? Anomalous things? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 17:22:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA01418; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:22:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:22:28 -0700 Message-ID: <325380B7F2EED211B46700805F15B4654D1DA3@itntl-msg02.itntl.bhp.com.au> From: "Croese, Darren DM" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:15:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"K7Y0k1.0.2M.3_dOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings, Just thought I'd throw in my (very occasional) 2c worth here: If you're looking for a good NaCl crystal, why not simply grow your own? As kids we used to grow salt crystals to a several mm in size by simply leaving a concentrated salt solution alone for a few days, then picking out the bigger crystals and moving the m to a fresh concentrated solution. I seem to remember we sometimes used course string as a crystallisation site but I'm not sure if this may lead to contamination of the crystal. I don't know how big it would be possible to grow them this way but I don't see any real limitations. Cheers, Daz. -------------------------------- Nich Reiter said: A few years back, an enigmatic chap I met from Michigan claimed that if one took a large crystal of halite (NaCl) and put metalized pads on opposing faces, and connected this to a microvoltmeter, one could see evidence of thought or psychic energy converted into electrical potentials. Of course, halite is piezo-electric, so weeding out mechanical vibrations from ambient might be tricky. If I ever come across a choice halite cube, I may give it a whirl. Alas, so many other things to work on first, though. NR EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate , copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster@bhp.com. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 4 19:15:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA00872; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:14:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:14:39 -0700 Message-ID: <396299E2.3636CD67@flash.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:13:54 -0400 From: Khem Caigan Organization: http://home.flash.net/~khem/Simonomicon.html X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i8Jr43.0.SD.EefOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mister Boffo wrote: > > I have seen information on grid points and "ley lines" in several places, > including a rather unusual set of "time travel" booklets and in some books > on a "world grid", "ley lines", and so on. > > Many of these books and documents talk about dowsing for these things, and I > guess being a "scientifically minded person", I guess I'd prefer some more > "objective" tools for the job rather than dowsing, which is just so > "unverifiable" by a secondary means. Solco Tromp's 'Psychical Physics: A Scientific Analysis of Dowsing, Radiesthesia & Kindred Phenomena', and 'Proceedings of the Scientific & Technical Congress of Radionics & Radiesthesia' have been reprinted by Borderland's at: http://www.borderlands.com/main1.htm All the Best, -Khem Caigan khem@flash.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 07:12:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24603; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:12:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:12:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3963C764.373B25DE@dove.net.au> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:40:20 +0000 From: gsawyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com> <3961C8FC.53BBC14E@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CNjSu.0.K06.D9qOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hmm, the old "accupoint finder" ey ! I used to manufacture devices of this type a number of years back before accupunture was even mildly accepted in this part of the world. The devices we did, were basically only a "Skin Resistivity" meter, you can test this for yourself with a High input impedance Volt-Meter Try holding one probe (meter in high resistance range) between the thumb and forefinger, then use the other probe to "search" around the Thumb to F-Finger juction, you SHOULD find one primary location that shows a significantly lower resistance than the surrounding skin, then try it on some other known accu' points around the body. Do not do this with any meter that is powered directly from the power mains, not even via a "Wall-wart" - battery power levels only. Glenville. -------------------------------------------------------- Glenville T. Sawyer Alternative Energy Experimenter, Amateur Radio Operator http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net -------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 08:29:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA20629; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:28:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:28:13 -0700 Message-ID: <396351FE.42050BD8@harti.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:19:26 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i8j2O3.0.925.DGrOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Guy Negre AirCar pictures posted... Hi, in the discussion about the Dingle WaterCar we had the information, that he also uses hot and cold air mixed into his gas from the reactor unit, so it might work a bit like the Guy Negre Aircar motor. For those who have not heard yet of Guy Negree (southern France) I have posted 4 pictures from a Car magazine to: http://168.144.2.41/negre/ This technology is ready for the market NOW and a few German companies are already going to produce it. It was also featured lately in the German television and Mexico has already ordered cars for reducing their pollution. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 09:05:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA03741; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:04:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:04:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006201bfe69b$3592dd80$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <20000704003029.23573.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:08:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"yset01.0.Mw.ZorOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is awesome Harvey. I would like to know more. In summary from reading below it sounds like you have no back emf. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey norris To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive > > > --- Nick Reiter wrote: > > > > Hello; > > > > Since joining the group, I have made it my habit of > > saving the most > > pertinent of e-mails on a floppy disc; depending > > mainly on topic, then > > ditching the rest. If I need to go back to an > > earlier posting for some > > tidbit, I just go to the e-scribe archive. > > Lo and behold, I find that the portion of > > yesterday's (July 2) > > correspondence, from the time I e-mailed in my > > thoughts on the Thiouba > > website, on into the evening, is gone. I recall > > recieving a couple more > > banterings from the group, but they are gone from > > the archive. Am I seeing > > things here, or did part of the archive get zapped? > > Sometimes I tell myself I ought to be more > > paranoid. Then I say, "ah > > damn the torpedos, who cares if the Thioureans can > > zap the archive..." > > Maybe this has happened before. Any ideas from > > Bill or others? > > > Yes , it does happen once in a while. I went back to > the archives to give a case example where it happened > to me, but of course these were not archived, because > those entries never made it to the archive. Thus I > really cant determine what entry I wrote that never > made it to the archive, having deleted my own records. > I think I made a fuss about it and quit the list for > awhile. This was in Oct 99. Incidentally subscribers > to the list should understand that simply sending a > Unsubscribe message as the subject line does not > unsubscribe one from the list; that has to be sent to > a different request address contained in the joining > list letter sent when one subscribes. Following is a > past latter under that heading, in which the enormity > of the issue may have not been seen, So I am going off > topic to repeat it: > (from Unsubscribe, Oct 99) > . The > difference between a generator and a motor function > can > simply be stated > that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this > means > is that when an AC > generator is putting out max amperage:(top of the > sine > wave), and we > compared that to the same instant in time if the > device > were functioning in > reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming zero > amperage instantly in > the same relative field/armature position, and not > another equivalent action > of accepting full amperage. This is because the > polarity reversal of input > amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same time > as > maximum amperage out > as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor way > of > trying to explain, > but it simply means that the polarity changes that > occur on generator/motor > actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to both > models. Additionally > this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of > field/armature, which > everything is built on this principle, and NOT a > Newman > design where a > magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I assume > a > motor rebuilder of > your credentials is well aware of these facts. > > Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have not > seen > it mentioned by > others I will state again some further facts you may > not be aware of. When a > magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the > amperage observed on an > oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with the > imposed flux change. > The above described condition of motor/generator > actions being 90 degrees > out of phase do not apply in this special > circumstance. > In the side model > action a motor does exactly act as a generator in > reverse. The reason this > design is never used commercially is probably due to > the torque interaction > between field and magnet/armature being much weaker. > If one also puts the coil with the poles facing a > rotating magnet as in > conventional design, as paradoxical as it may sound, > it > is my observation > that the current in the coil observed on the scope > occurs after the magnet > has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that these > observations may not > hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with air > core > coils as Newman > uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil is > acting exactly as if an > AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts from > its > inductive reactance > to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the > source > voltage change, or in > this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later > from > the impressed flux > change of the rotating magnet. > > Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating side > magnet/coil acts as a > resonant input, while the polar model acts as a non > resonant input, exactly > similar to inductive reactance actions. Because of > the > fact that Newman uses > this side design, and has noted a double reversal > action from scope readings > where the width of the magnet vs width of coil inner > diameter produced this > sort of double reversal, the idea of making a hybrid > pole/side coil > arrangement is initially considered not worth > exploring > or even rediculous. > It is also rediculous not to look past ones nose to > explore new > possibilities. That was exactly what I did in 1992! > > I used 2 polar coils in coordination with 2 side > coils > for a total of 4 > field coils, and I will have to say this more than > once > because of misbelief > or ignorance. > While the polar coils normally give the strongest > torque on a magnet rotor > suspended on an axis, and the side coils normally > give > the weaker, when they > are combined they give a torque stronger than either > method alone! This > occurs at the position when the magnet sweeps the > side > of the coil, exactly > similar to Newman device, only that torque is > opposite > to its normal action > with the side coils acting alone. It is stronger > than > what the polar coils > will produce when the magnet is near the poles of > those > field coils! What > this means is that the polar coils can blink on and > off > instead of the side > ones to make a momentary fwd emf effect on the whole > system instead of a > back emf. This is however speculation, as I have not > done this. However if > anyone on the list doubts what I am saying here I > will > go out of my way to > copy the vhs tape record of this copper magnetic > motor > and send it to them. > I think I posted this idea on freenrg archives as > Magnetic Compression. > > When the scope was connected to the 4 coils in > series > and the magnet rotor > was spun, it produced something resembling a square > wave. Recall that > normally the polar coils produced a current after > the > fact of the flux > change: 90 degrees out of phase. At the same time > this > occurs the magnet is > already sweeping the side coils, with their > instantaneous resonant action > and by reversing the common sense connections to > these > coils in series, they > will also provide a current in the same direction, > filling in the missing > portion of the of the double reversal normally > observed > when the polar coils > are used alone. > > {This is also archived as a drawing made several days > later, in which a mistake may have been noted, will > repost if this is found, HDN} > > ===== > Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 09:35:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA16319; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:35:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:34:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bfe69e$a19549c0$51d4ddd1@x2001> From: "2001" To: Cc: References: <3961CFEB.267E25CC@harti.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:32:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"dlmRf3.0.O-3.oEsOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dingle=B4s_watercar_high_voltage_effect..?= Stefan, Can you or someone tell me where I can get info on this Dingle water car? And any plans for building a device for greatly boosting the MPG on a car engine. The only plans I have found on the web so far are the 1935 patent for the water carburetor (water to hydrogen) and the newer (foreign patent) gizmo which seems to be a very bulky add-on (water to Hy). I would think that it would be an enormous effort to build your own carb. (either water or gasoline vapor type). Thank you, Bil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Hartmann" To: ; ; "Free Energy" ; "Newman-L Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:52 AM Subject: [FG]: Dingleīs watercar high voltage effect.. > Hi Stefan, > I called again today: > > > Hmm, I donīt understand why then he puts the words: > > "producing H2 and O2 using High voltage and low Amperes" > > onto his first reactor unit !!! > > Maybe he NOW wants to keep this as a secret or he has redesigned it > > using now only 12 Volts for the electrolysis ?? > > Maybe you can nail him down on this question a bit more when > > you talk to him again ? > > He said that the HV was for the spark plug "to get a greater fuel > burning > area" inside the car engine to increase efficiency. He converts the > existing HV distributor system ac to dc to do this. > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 11:27:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA30636; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:26:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:26:28 -0700 Message-ID: <39637CE4.685187E1@harti.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:22:28 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, 2001 Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dingle=B4s?= watercar high voltage effect.. References: <3961CFEB.267E25CC@harti.com> <001501bfe69e$a19549c0$51d4ddd1@x2001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0x1K_2.0.bU7.JttOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Look into: http://www.overunity.com/watercar 2001 schrieb: > > Stefan, > > Can you or someone tell me where I can get info > on this Dingle water car? And any plans for building > a device for greatly boosting the MPG on a car engine. > > The only plans I have found on the web so far are the > 1935 patent for the water carburetor (water to hydrogen) > and the newer (foreign patent) gizmo which seems to > be a very bulky add-on (water to Hy). I would think that > it would be an enormous effort to build your own carb. > (either water or gasoline vapor type). > > Thank you, > > Bil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Hartmann" > To: ; ; "Free Energy" > ; "Newman-L Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:52 AM > Subject: [FG]: Dingleīs watercar high voltage effect.. > > > Hi Stefan, > > I called again today: > > > > > Hmm, I donīt understand why then he puts the words: > > > "producing H2 and O2 using High voltage and low Amperes" > > > onto his first reactor unit !!! > > > Maybe he NOW wants to keep this as a secret or he has redesigned it > > > using now only 12 Volts for the electrolysis ?? > > > Maybe you can nail him down on this question a bit more when > > > you talk to him again ? > > > > He said that the HV was for the spark plug "to get a greater fuel > > burning > > area" inside the car engine to increase efficiency. He converts the > > existing HV distributor system ac to dc to do this. > > -- > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 11:38:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA03064; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:37:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: <39637DEF.A1A4C7DE@harti.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:26:55 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Konzen , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <001f01bfe63a$49d2b2e0$aef2103f@old-konzen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BS_OE.0.Rl.22uOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: replies and new power circuit Doug Konzen schrieb: > > hi Stefan > > Here is an easy to read motor-coil diagram with no rectified circuits shown: > > http://homepages.go.com/~enzok/2hotmotorcoilcircuit.JPG > > Kone Hi Kone, well, with this purple wire circuit you are shortening out your stator coils ! So it seems it works best by NOT powering your stator coils ! Try to just short out your stator coils and see if it has the same effect ! -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 13:22:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA28915; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: RoConroy@aol.com Message-ID: <79.65ad263.2694f251@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:19:29 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"hrRu21.0.i37.PYvOv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 7/4/00 7:05:29 PM Central Daylight Time, rick@highsurf.com writes: << Thanks. But the links to the pyramid info don't work regarding "pyramid inches". I still can't understand the reasons for their derivation, nor can I understand why their use is somehow involved in the frequency 432 Hz. So you'd be injecting a 432 Hz. AC signal into this coil, and you're hoping to see what again? Anomalous things? >> Pyramid link left off ".htm". Link should be http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pyramid.htm It was Sir Isaac Newton in the 16th century who derived the "pyramid inch". This unit also referred to as the "sacred Jewish inch", is equal to 1.001081 American inch. Newton came up the with the unit in order to make the pyramid dimensions come out in whole numbers. 432 HZ is simply the tuning frequency. It is just a tuning point in producing the scale. For your more "anomalous things", you would probably have to be in the 7.25 HZ to 14.5 HZ range, the approximate range of the human mind. The Caduceus Staff is the symbol for physicians, so I would have to deduce that it would have some kind of affect on health. Gulick who built one mentioned its use to selectively destroy parasites, bacteria, and viruses. Since Moses used his staff when halting the progression of the sun in the sky, I would have to assume some kind of antigravitional effect. This plus the fact that the Geops pyramid contains 2,600,000 blocks of stone with no block weighing less than 10 tons. Herodotus theory that it took 20 years to build would require the builders to set one highly accurate cut block every 2 1/2 minutes if you had 15 hour days. This with the use of levers and tools softer than the stone itself. I personally think that it is has properties similar to that of structured water. By using the right frequencies you can get your body back into proper structure through the process of harmonics. An example being that King David was able to affect stability into King Saul when King Saul would go bonkers. This all done with the simple use of a musical instrument. Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 14:06:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04767; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:05:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:05:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200007052108.e65L87M08749@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:09:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <79.65ad263.2694f251@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"mnfkw1.0.KA1.kCwOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > I personally think that it is has properties similar to that of > structured water. By using the right frequencies you can get your body back > into proper structure through the process of harmonics. An example being > that King David was able to affect stability into King Saul when King Saul > would go bonkers. This all done with the simple use of a musical instrument. > Bob > You would love to read the Zecharia Sitchin's book "The War of Gods and Men". In that book the author describes the interior of the Great Pyramid and the "stones" it contained. Those "stones" were responsible for the power of the pyramid and were extracted from the inside of the pyramid by a conqueror "god". The author even make some relation with sound waves in the corridors of the Great Pyramid. A very interesting reading ! Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 14:26:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA14256; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:26:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:26:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01ae01bfe6c8$1a120720$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <39624C98.76BDCAB2@harti.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Prof. Meyl will show his scalar kit ! Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:29:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"JKP0e2.0.fU3.rVwOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is in German, is there an English translation? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: Newman-L Mailing List ; Free Energy ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:44 PM Subject: [FG]: Prof. Meyl will show his scalar kit ! > At the upcoming Berlin free energy conference Prof. Meyl > will show his first scalar energy kit at the 8th of July. > > Have a look here: > > http://www.k-meyl.de/Demo-Kit/demo-kit.html > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 14:56:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA24202; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:55:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:55:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3963AC53.263B4AF9@harti.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:44:51 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Prof. Meyl will show his scalar kit ! References: <39624C98.76BDCAB2@harti.com> <01ae01bfe6c8$1a120720$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zQn0G3.0.gv5.MxwOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Try http://babelfish.altavista.com Sam Garza schrieb: > > This is in German, is there an English translation? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Hartmann > To: Newman-L Mailing List ; Free Energy > ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:44 PM > Subject: [FG]: Prof. Meyl will show his scalar kit ! > > > At the upcoming Berlin free energy conference Prof. Meyl > > will show his first scalar energy kit at the 8th of July. > > > > Have a look here: > > > > http://www.k-meyl.de/Demo-Kit/demo-kit.html > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 16:35:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA29003; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:34:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@default> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@default> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:04:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IkqV42.0.457.POyOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16065 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yow; See below... I know the rock sucks RF because if I > get near that stuff with a metal detector, no metal close by is > detectable in its presence. I bet there are very few 'normal' > frequency radio waves getting in there, and the temperature's really > constant over the course of a day. So's a few feet down in the soil > in the back yard, but it's really hard clay-like crud that hell to > dig down in even a few inches. I'd need to be able to seal the caps > in a piece of pipe and take the readings remotely either way, so the > sea cave seems like the better value. > > Would you happen to have any low-tech ideas about getting decent > reads out over a 25' wire, coax or whatever, without having the leads > themselves contributing to the charging of the otherwise 'isolated' > caps? I'd want to avoid something too fancy like converting microvolt > readings locally to coded signals and opto-isolating to a transceiver ****** While 25 feet isn't terribly long, I suspect that most any twin lead conductor or coax would contribute enough non-temperature compensated capacitance to be a problem. I don't have any good answers, but here's cheap thoughts: 1. You could use RG58 or RG 59 coax, slipped through metal conduit, and buried a few inches below the soil surface. You'd still have the capacitance of the coax, but it would be EM shielded and the temperature changes due to sunshine would be attenuated somewhat. 2. You could find a length of tri-axial cable ($$$) and ground the outer shield, then bury it. Same as item 1. 3. For lowest capacitance, could you run seperated single conductor insulated wires, of large gauge, parallel to each other, but maybe spaced apart by a few inches. C would be low, R would be low, and yet the conductors would be close enough that I don't think any geomagnetic fluctuations would induce a net EMF. Good luck! NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 17:15:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA11176; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:15:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706001432.4560.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qz1vS3.0.Sk2.B-yOv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16066 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fwd vs Back EMF/ was archive question --- Sam Garza wrote: > This is awesome Harvey. I would like to know more. > In summary from reading > below it sounds like you have no back emf. No, there is always back emf. However since the side coils act in the opposite manner that they normally would in a solitary scenario without the presence of the polar coils, the induced emf on those particular coils may be backwards or actually a fwd emf. However that theorized fwd emf is only (possibly)realized as a fwd emf if those coils have their functions shut off and then turned back on as the magnet would sweep by the respective sides. That is only a theory. I did not try this, only straight DC power input with power shut off made for polarity changes by commutation as is done on DC motors. This produced a rotation of around 300 rpm of a 50 lb magnet rotor on a 70 watt draw. The impracticality of air core motors is the fact that if a load were attached to this rpm, the rpm would be considerably diminished. It seems possible however that the overall back emf of the coil system is reduced by this geometric field coil arrangement. The higher back emf of the polar coils overules any opposite effect made by the side coils in series. The fact that a PORTION of the back emf seems cancelled is shown by rotating the magnet and observing the signals coming from the field coils on an oscilloscope. A very abrupt rise of voltage occurs on polarity change, as if very little back emf is present during the start of the AC signal. Thus instead of the signal appearing as a sine wave it appears more like a square wave and the voltage very quickly approaches its highest value, and then very quickly reverses polarity at the end of its cycle and into the next as a rapid voltage rise. I am interested in making a ferromagnetic model in the future as the air core model is dissabled for other experimentation with large air core inductors. A VHS video of the motor in operation from 1992 however still exists in which I could make a small one minute MPEG file to send if you are of interest. HDN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: harvey norris > To: > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question > about list archive > > > > > > > > --- Nick Reiter wrote: > > > > > > Hello; > > > > > > Since joining the group, I have made it my habit > of > > > saving the most > > > pertinent of e-mails on a floppy disc; depending > > > mainly on topic, then > > > ditching the rest. If I need to go back to an > > > earlier posting for some > > > tidbit, I just go to the e-scribe archive. > > > Lo and behold, I find that the portion of > > > yesterday's (July 2) > > > correspondence, from the time I e-mailed in my > > > thoughts on the Thiouba > > > website, on into the evening, is gone. I recall > > > recieving a couple more > > > banterings from the group, but they are gone > from > > > the archive. Am I seeing > > > things here, or did part of the archive get > zapped? > > > Sometimes I tell myself I ought to be more > > > paranoid. Then I say, "ah > > > damn the torpedos, who cares if the Thioureans > can > > > zap the archive..." > > > Maybe this has happened before. Any ideas > from > > > Bill or others? > > > > > Yes , it does happen once in a while. I went back > to > > the archives to give a case example where it > happened > > to me, but of course these were not archived, > because > > those entries never made it to the archive. Thus > I > > really cant determine what entry I wrote that > never > > made it to the archive, having deleted my own > records. > > I think I made a fuss about it and quit the list > for > > awhile. This was in Oct 99. Incidentally > subscribers > > to the list should understand that simply sending > a > > Unsubscribe message as the subject line does not > > unsubscribe one from the list; that has to be sent > to > > a different request address contained in the > joining > > list letter sent when one subscribes. Following is > a > > past latter under that heading, in which the > enormity > > of the issue may have not been seen, So I am going > off > > topic to repeat it: > > (from Unsubscribe, Oct 99) > > . The > > difference between a generator and a motor > function > > can > > simply be stated > > that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this > > means > > is that when an AC > > generator is putting out max amperage:(top of > the > > sine > > wave), and we > > compared that to the same instant in time if the > > device > > were functioning in > > reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming > zero > > amperage instantly in > > the same relative field/armature position, and > not > > another equivalent action > > of accepting full amperage. This is because the > > polarity reversal of input > > amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same > time > > as > > maximum amperage out > > as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor > way > > of > > trying to explain, > > but it simply means that the polarity changes > that > > occur on generator/motor > > actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to > both > > models. Additionally > > this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of > > field/armature, which > > everything is built on this principle, and NOT a > > Newman > > design where a > > magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I > assume > > a > > motor rebuilder of > > your credentials is well aware of these facts. > > > > Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have > not > > seen > > it mentioned by > > others I will state again some further facts you > may > > not be aware of. When a > > magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the > > amperage observed on an > > oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with > the > > imposed flux change. > > The above described condition of motor/generator > > actions being 90 degrees > > out of phase do not apply in this special > > circumstance. > > In the side model > > action a motor does exactly act as a generator > in > > reverse. The reason this > > design is never used commercially is probably > due to > > the torque interaction > > between field and magnet/armature being much > weaker. > > If one also puts the coil with the poles facing > a > > rotating magnet as in > > conventional design, as paradoxical as it may > sound, > > it > > is my observation > > that the current in the coil observed on the > scope > > occurs after the magnet > > has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that > these > > observations may not > > hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with > air > > core > > coils as Newman > > uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil > is > > acting exactly as if an > > AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts > from > > its > > inductive reactance > > to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the > > source > > voltage change, or in > > this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later > > from > > the impressed flux > > change of the rotating magnet. > > > > Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating > side > > magnet/coil acts as a > > resonant input, while the polar model acts as a > non > > resonant input, exactly > > similar to inductive reactance actions. Because > of > > the > > fact that Newman uses > > this side design, and has noted a double > reversal > > action from scope readings > > where the width of the magnet vs width of coil > inner > > diameter produced this > > sort of double reversal, the idea of making a > hybrid > > pole/side coil > > arrangement is initially considered not worth > === message truncated === ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 19:12:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA20252; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:11:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:11:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3963EBE0.D47ECA38@csrlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:16:01 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael S. Johnston" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vxf3v2.0.Hy4.Xh-Ov"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: A paper on OU that someone asked me to post for them Hi All, I have been talking recently to a person with an interest in free energy. He has taken the time to write up a rather lengthy paper regarding his thoughts in this matter. As you will see below he asked me to post it for him (shy I guess). So, at any rate here it is: MJ Hi Michael, this is the new and improved version. I was hoping you could post this piece inasmuch as I would like to preserve some degree of anonymity for the present. I was initially inspired to write this letter as a rebuttal to comments made at: http://www.wondermagnet.com/dev/magfaq.html . Please see "Why won't my perpetual motion machine work?" In all fairness, their description of the laws of thermodynamics is correct. My consternation developed from an impression ( accurate or otherwise) that the author(s) of this discussion wished to discourage the pursuit of research into the realm of over-unity based on the fact that perpetual motion is a predictable impossibility. If I have misjudged the author's intent, then I am sincerely contrite. I would also like to point out the fact that this website provides some very useful information to the inquisitive experimenter. Over-Unity versus Perpetual Motion To whom it may concern, while I have no arguments with the laws of thermodynamics (I find the logic quite comforting really) or "conventional physics," I simply MUST point out the fact that these laws apply only to CLOSED systems. I agree completely that in all probability it is impossible to "create energy." Quite frankly, I sincerely hope and believe this is the case inasmuch as I do not wish to live in a universe that is governed by capricious magic. This, in my opinion, would be a form of hell! Having stated my position, I wish to address the subject of "creating energy" from magnets, coils, crystals, etc. I emphatically believe that we (mankind) will NEVER (I hope I don't have to eat that) actually "create energy" from magnets, coils or anything else for that matter. It is my understanding that if one were to extract energy from any object, there would be a "cost" attributable to that effort. Subsequently, there would have to be a commensurate loss of magnetic field strength, mass, etc. By definition, this would preclude "perpetual motion." This of course would be due to the fact that eventually one would "run out" of something. Without wishing to sound like a religious "fruitloop,"(it may be too late) I would like to point out the fact that even the Bible states that the entire clockwork of the physical universe is going to grind to a halt. Recently, some physicists have suggested that even the very speed of light itself is slowing down. In short, ultimately, nothing in the universe is going to demonstrate perpetual motion. Have I made my position painfully clear on this matter? I sincerely hope so! If you have managed to wade through my little diatribe above, you are probably convinced that I would consider anyone contemplating an attempt at constructing a perpetual motion device to be something of a pathetic baffoon. Well, if you are talking about a purely mechanical device, I would have to say yes, I think you are in for nothing but painful failure and ridicule. However, if you are talking about building some other type of "over-unity" (henceforth OU) device, then it is possible (in fact highly probable) that you will, on some GLORIOUS day, meet with hard won success! How can this be? BLASPHEMY you say!!! No, not at all. Now then, take three looooong, slooooooow, DEEP breaths and regain your composure. Please allow me to explain. Who knows, you might even find yourself agreeing with my argument. I must first point out the fact that while I did say OU, I did NOT say Perpetual Motion. What's the difference? THANK YOU FOR ASKING!!! There is in fact a WORLD of difference (and shame on all the conventional physicists and engineers that know this but fail to point it out). Let me restate my position. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERPETUAL MOTION ANYTHING if time is of no consequence. However, we live in a world in which we are surrounded by OU devices. Think about it. If a primitive individual watched you throw a switch which resulted in lights illuminating, couldn't he misconstrue the events described and ascribe the energy to the switch itself? Returning for a moment to the world of yesteryear, what if a very young child witnessed you hand cranking your automobile in order to start it? Without a more sophisticated understanding of the principles at play, might not the youngster attribute your automobile's recently acquired motive force to your earlier physical input into the system? If one builds a waterwheel and places it in a fast moving stream, have they created a perpetual motion device? NO! Have they created an OU device? YES!!! The waterwheel is going to put out far more useful energy than was required to build, place and adjust it. Actually, my last statement is not entirely accurate. I stated that the waterwheel was going to put out energy. Does the waterwheel actually create the energy, or does it in fact put out no true energy of it's own? The waterwheel in and of itself is incapable of producing or releasing any energy save that of converting potential energy into kinetic energy should it happen to fall over. So what is it that the waterwheel actually does? IT ACTS AS A TRANSDUCER (and it is nowhere near 100% efficient even at such a simple task). What is a TRANSDUCER? A TRANSDUCER is a device that converts one type of energy into another. One example could be something as simple as a wheel under some circumstances. Imagine that you have a large boulder at the top of a huge but relatively gently sloping hill with a somewhat rough surface. Currently, our boulder represents an enormous amount of stored gravitational energy. Our goal is to be able to tap some of this stored energy by converting it into kinetic energy. Unfortunately, the boulder will not roll down the hill of it's own accord due to an inordinate amount of friction. Worse yet, we do not even have sufficient strength to push or pull this boulder down the hill. However, we just happen to have a remarkably sturdy cart on four wheels. We even happen to have a lever and fulcrum. With the meager force we are able to apply, we manage to load the boulder on to the cart and then cause the cart to roll. LOOK OUT BELOW! We have successfully converted stored potential energy into an impressive amount of kinetic energy. In this particular example, our simple cart acted as something of a transducer/catalyst. We even had to put a significant amount of energy into the system ourselves before we could release and employ a great deal more energy. Did we create this energy? NO! Did we "unleash" a tremendous amount of energy, far beyond that which we had to put into the system? Yes!!! Let's revisit whether or not the waterwheel constitutes a perpetual motion (henceforth PM) device. For a moment, let us assume that the bottom of this waterwheel has been immersed in a large powerful underground river through a slit in the earth. As it happens, we do not believe that it is possible for rivers to run underground. Nevertheless, our eldest ancestors can not recall a time in their lives or in our culture's history when this "MAGIC WHEEL" was not turning, nor has it ever given any indication that it has grown weaker or slowed in our lifetime. In fact we have no reason to believe that this will occur in our children's lifetime or for the foreseeable future. For all practical purposes, would it be so terribly wrong for us to consider this waterwheel to be a PM device? With the frame of reference given above, I do not believe this would be such an unpardonable sin. Is it so difficult for us to believe that there might be (and in fact are) sources of energy that as yet remain untapped? Mr.Tesla himself was literally laughed out of engineering school for suggesting that he could turn the kinetic energy of a local stream directly into useful electricity without benefit of a standard turbine or waterwheel. Was he wrong? Absolutely not. He already had an understanding of MagnetoHydroDynamics (MHD). Was Mr.Tesla being ridiculed for conceptualizing a remarkably advanced TRANSDUCER, or for suggesting capitalizing upon a form of perpetual motion? Does it really matter? The end result is the same. Society does not benefit from a wonderful new technology simply because " It cannot exist." The Wright brothers had to spend five years of their lives convincing the "experts" that heavier than air machines could fly before finally receiving a patent for their earth changing discovery. Were prior failures in this endeavor prima facie evidence that this was impossible? It was suppose to be "impossible" to use AC power. The discovery of electricity was a serendipitous event in itself, as was the discovery that it could be generated at will and with control via the interaction of magnetic fields and conductors. The "experts" of the period had previously concluded that this was a "scientific" absurdity! Let us not be so smug!!! Sadly, there will always be frauds, charlatans and nincompoops among us. Nevertheless, we must not allow our skepticism to prevent us from recognizing genuine potential (no pun intended). The "true believers," like myself, are not wide eyed madmen pursuing the ever elusive PM device. Most of us are educated men of reason who are in pursuit of a far more realistic TRANSDUCER. PLEASE, repeat that to yourself over and over again!!! TRANSDUCER, TRANSDUCER, TRANSDUCER... . TRANSDUCERS do not violate the laws of classical physics. How many times must this be said??? Why must our plea for sanity continually fall upon deaf ears??? As to whether or not this TRANSDUCER will ever become a reality, the question is not if, but rather when. Will this wonderful boon to all of creation be developed at M.I.T., or will it come to fruition in Billybob's basement? Who knows? For the present, I will put my money on Billybob. Why? Billybob can think outside of the box!!! Recall what I stated in my first sentence, the laws of thermodynamics only apply to a closed system (or box). The system in which we wish to operate our TRANSDUCER(S) is open. To claim that any combination of magnets, coils, crystals, etc. is and forever shall be incapable of producing OU because PM is impossible, is ludicrous in the extreme! Achieving OU has nothing to do with PM. This all important concept warrants repetition. ACHIEVING OVER-UNITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERPETUAL MOTION!!! Many scoffers will say "Well then, where is the proof? Show me this machine. You can't, can you? See, I told you so, like I said, it is impossible!" To which I must respond,"horse feathers." Many of the products and services that we can expect to enjoy in the future are things that have never been done or even thought of before. Would you agree? Doesn't history bear out this fact of life? Furthermore, given that we live in a far from altruistic world, it is not completely unreasonable to suspect that success may have been achieved in the past. Let's not go there. I should also like to take this opportunity to point out the fact that even though virtually all of us utilize a very sophisticated means of transportation everyday, almost none of us could hope to duplicate even a rudimentary example of same in our garage and expect to see it work. How many of us have tried to rebuild a carburetor even with a kit that had all the parts AND INSTRUCTIONS yet the vehicle had now been reduced to a conspicuously immobile collection of plastics, rubber and metal ( hey, the radio still works). Should it then be assumed that there exist no electromechanical boobs in the realm of "Alternative Science?" One could easily discover a plausible theoretical concept yet remain completely unable to make it a reality. Let a few more inept (and/or unmotivated/incredulous) individuals fail at their task and you get "impossible." Fortunately, society does not have to wait for me to prove that internal combustion engines really can be made to produce useful work. I wish I could be more creative, but for the moment, the only useful form of previously untapped energy I can contemplate or visualize lies within the electromagnetic spectrum. It is my assertion that wavelengths within the electromagnetic spectrum exist in extremes far beyond our capacity to measure them. This would mean that there exist both extremely long and infinitesimally short wavelengths within the spectrum. I wish to focus on the exceptionally short wavelengths. One man's trash is another man's treasure. In spite of the fact that 900 mHz transceivers are ubiquitous these days, it would be all but impossible for you to build one from scratch in your basement. Why? this is due to the fact that the wavelengths are so short that they can interact with even the smallest electronic components that make up the radio itself (ie: you could develop standing waves in a resistor within the circuit). These new toys must cause engineers to lose sleep at night during R&D. Now consider the fact that unpowered tuned circuits were designed in the early 20th century that allowed interested individuals to build micromotors that would run on nothing but the broadcasted energy from a local radio station. Yes they were quite small and no they were not capable of producing any useful work. Nevertheless, they help illustrate my forthcoming hypothesis. Again, I assert that there must be unbelievably energetic infinitesimally short wavelengths passing harmlessly through all of us and the universe in general at all times. Where did this energy come from? Perhaps the sun or distant star(s) or the BIG BANG are the source. So, if the wavelength is so short, then how do we build a detector circuit to capture any of this energy? We can not (for the present). Fortunately, nature has done this for us. Under the proper circumstances, the atom itself can capture and allow us to utilize a tiny fraction of this available energy. In order to accomplish this, it becomes necessary for us to impart the atom with an initial increase in energy beyond the ground state. Remember our discussion with respect to the boulder on the hill? We had to use a cart, lever, fulcrum and an initial input of energy in order to access a much larger amount of energy. In this case, our cart may prove to be a conductor and a high voltage generator would represent our lever, fulcrum and input of energy. This is remotely analogous to priming a pump. If the electrons are energized sufficiently, they will leave their normal orbits and circle the nucleus at a greater radius. It is at this time that the atom may temporarily be able to interact with and absorb some of the energy being carried by infinitesimally short waves when they themselves interact with the atom, much like the standing waves in the 900mHz transceiver. In this case however, rather than being a nuisance, this is exactly why we excited the atom in the first place, in order to create a temporary miniature (in the extreme) "detector." This detector would then impart it's newly acquired increase in energy (along with an incalculable number of other atoms) to generate an increased total EMF in the "macrocircuit." I like to refer to this concept as a "Dynamic Antenna," as opposed to a "static" standard radio receiver antenna which you would not pre-excite in order to receive a signal. The "static" antenna did not require pre-excitation in order to receive the incoming signal due to the fact that the wavelength is so long. If a solar panel was "floating" in space, facing and orbiting the sun, would it be a perpetual motion device? NO! It would remain what it is here on earth, a TRANSDUCER. In point of fact, a solar panel works in a manner remarkably similar to the "Dynamic Antenna" doesn't it? What would such a dynamic antenna look like? Given that we generally like to use electricity as a motive force in mechanical devices, it's appearance might closely resemble that of a standard or slightly modified generator. Geometry and devices will vary, but the principle is the same. Not all "generators" are created equal! Therefore, it is quite understandable why a conventional electrician, engineer or physicist would immediately jump to the conclusion that an experimenter was trying to obtain "something for nothing." On face value, it would certainly appear that way. Nevertheless, I hope that in the future, we will all take a little more time in evaluating the nature of someone elses work. "Things" are seldom what they appear to be. Neither I nor any of the other researchers with whom I have had the pleasure to speak have ever suggested that perpetual motion was even possible, much less a goal to be pursued. It is my greatest desire that this discussion of Over-Unity versus Perpetual Motion may help bring an end to most of the endless charges of gross incompetence forever being layed at the feet of those who dare to depart from the status quo . I hope that we can all remain intellectually honest with ourselves and each other. Our efforts to advance the human condition should foster an atmosphere of cooperation, not adversarial attack. I suspect many will want to know what kind of educational background such a "heretic" must possess. I have been a student of aerospace engineering, a nuclear power plant operator and am now a practitioner of allopathic medicine. Thank you for your patient consideration. Jonathan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 20:36:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA09334; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@de fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@defau lt> <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:35:04 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"dkfyl.0.eH2.Aw_Ov"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Nick - Thanks for the suggestions. It seems to be the case that except for a significant capacitance, remote monitoring on the cheap-&-simple is going to be rough on accuracy. I might be best off just waterhousing the voltmeter and the whole thing and just diving every 5 minutes and taking a reading. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 5 23:01:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA19515; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@d e fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@defau lt> <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:00:46 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"uAWi81.0.qm4.r22Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I wrote, badly: >Nick - > >Thanks for the suggestions. It seems to be the case that except for >a significant capacitance, remote monitoring on the cheap-&-simple >is going to be rough on accuracy. That means that since the charge in the capacitor being tested needs to be relatively unaffected by long wires and their tendency to have capacitance and collect stray voltage, the test capacitor probably needs to be a large value capacitor or a large capacitance array. Otherwise, it's going be hard to get accurate readings over long wires. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 03:31:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA26863; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:31:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:31:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706103029.22706.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Sadelgor Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"6XM621.0.eZ6.b_5Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Has there been any more testing ?? Jim > > On the other hand, we look at a solar cell, and > find that if one holds it > > indoors, or under a shady maple tree, it produces > very little electrical > > current. But then, step into a sunbeam, and WOW! > Geographical dependence > > at work... > > Another common problem is surface resistivity of > materials. When a device > fails, if any part of the effect involves high > voltage at low current, > then humidity becomes a critical factor. (And your > VandeGraaff output > might only rise above 0 volts in an air-conditioned > environment!) > > > > Face it, if he or others can do this, then by > examining > > the areas of active effect carefully, and > correlating it to all sorts of > > other local ambient conditions, we allow for > tremendous advances in the > > understanding of the core phenomenon. > > Right on! When an effect cannot be reproduced, in > the past the inventor > usually was secretive and would render no > assistance, and there the story > ended. If there are geographic factors at work, as > well as the usual > problems caused by secrecy and poorly-detailed > reports, then replication > is doubly impossible. I have hopes for this > capacitor thing because all > the fuss is based on public-domain plans, not on > quirky and secret > personal discoveries which "must" be hidden from all > idea-theives. > > > Time is a major player here. If the weeks go > by, and no other successful > > replications of C's claims are found at ANY > location, then sadly we move > > asymptotically toward the conclusion of artifact / > hoax. Each of us reaches > > our satisfaction point individually. My version > of the unit, made with > > sputtered Cr-Al ring patterns on mylar sheets, did > nothing detectable (last > > word is key) from zero to 15 kV. Was it my > location? (back room of the lab, > > in Perrysburg, Ohio) > > Someone could go physically to Cliff L.'s place (if > he was willing), and > work on removing ALL factors which cause > replications to be imperfect. But > I think that requires that Cliff L. be a > "scientist." Most people don't > want to give up their secrets, and won't give help > to strangers without > payment. Scientists are weird in that they behave > oppositely, and as long > as the main barrier to progress is disbelief, then > scientist-like behavior > is the best thing we have for tearing away the veil > from any genuine > "fringe science" discoveries. > > Remember that the Wright Brothers essentially > published plans for their > man-lifting, wing-warping kite, and that's the > single event which took all > "flying machines" from the realm of secretive > inventors and put them in > the world spotlight. > > > My hunch is that ZPE or gravity coupled effects > will likely show > > some degree of variance with location. But > probably not to the extent > > claimed in C's story. Honest and open attempts at > replication are the only > > answer. > > If those guys aren't very experienced in > electrostatics, perhaps the > problem is something obvious, like the humidity > being 90% in the other > garage. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 04:11:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA32636; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:10:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:10:44 -0700 From: "Kevin Weaver" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:08:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bfe73a$903b7b80$0200a8c0@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000706103029.22706.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hbk693.0.rz7.pa6Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All Was wondering if anyone had tried using a plotter like the ones used at the quick sign places to cut out the foil disks. It's a plotter with a cutting head on it made for cutting sheets of vinyl into lettering and the such. I wonder if you could not just take a *.bmp to one of these places and have them do the work for you as the last time i checked into this it was running around $2500 per unit. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Sadelgor [mailto:jimsade@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 5:30 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? > > > > Has there been any more testing ?? > > Jim > > > > On the other hand, we look at a solar cell, and > > find that if one holds it > > > indoors, or under a shady maple tree, it produces > > very little electrical > > > current. But then, step into a sunbeam, and WOW! > > Geographical dependence > > > at work... > > > > Another common problem is surface resistivity of > > materials. When a device > > fails, if any part of the effect involves high > > voltage at low current, > > then humidity becomes a critical factor. (And your > > VandeGraaff output > > might only rise above 0 volts in an air-conditioned > > environment!) > > > > > > > Face it, if he or others can do this, then by > > examining > > > the areas of active effect carefully, and > > correlating it to all sorts of > > > other local ambient conditions, we allow for > > tremendous advances in the > > > understanding of the core phenomenon. > > > > Right on! When an effect cannot be reproduced, in > > the past the inventor > > usually was secretive and would render no > > assistance, and there the story > > ended. If there are geographic factors at work, as > > well as the usual > > problems caused by secrecy and poorly-detailed > > reports, then replication > > is doubly impossible. I have hopes for this > > capacitor thing because all > > the fuss is based on public-domain plans, not on > > quirky and secret > > personal discoveries which "must" be hidden from all > > idea-theives. > > > > > Time is a major player here. If the weeks go > > by, and no other successful > > > replications of C's claims are found at ANY > > location, then sadly we move > > > asymptotically toward the conclusion of artifact / > > hoax. Each of us reaches > > > our satisfaction point individually. My version > > of the unit, made with > > > sputtered Cr-Al ring patterns on mylar sheets, did > > nothing detectable (last > > > word is key) from zero to 15 kV. Was it my > > location? (back room of the lab, > > > in Perrysburg, Ohio) > > > > Someone could go physically to Cliff L.'s place (if > > he was willing), and > > work on removing ALL factors which cause > > replications to be imperfect. But > > I think that requires that Cliff L. be a > > "scientist." Most people don't > > want to give up their secrets, and won't give help > > to strangers without > > payment. Scientists are weird in that they behave > > oppositely, and as long > > as the main barrier to progress is disbelief, then > > scientist-like behavior > > is the best thing we have for tearing away the veil > > from any genuine > > "fringe science" discoveries. > > > > Remember that the Wright Brothers essentially > > published plans for their > > man-lifting, wing-warping kite, and that's the > > single event which took all > > "flying machines" from the realm of secretive > > inventors and put them in > > the world spotlight. > > > > > My hunch is that ZPE or gravity coupled effects > > will likely show > > > some degree of variance with location. But > > probably not to the extent > > > claimed in C's story. Honest and open attempts at > > replication are the only > > > answer. > > > > If those guys aren't very experienced in > > electrostatics, perhaps the > > problem is something obvious, like the humidity > > being 90% in the other > > garage. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 06:02:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22395; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:02:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:02:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706130132.68340.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [166.102.81.130] From: "Colin Cain" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:01:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"J3xnP2.0.jT5.ED8Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The ones I've seen locally use heat or laser to cut the vinyl, both of which are unsuitable for aluminum. I've not seen one that would use a blade, which might work for aluminum. There is one company close by that uses a cnc driven water jet cutter that cuts thicker materials, but the cost to me is prohibitive. Been taking a break from the grav cap to catch up on family, vacations, mowing, etc. while planning the next "speriment" frenzy. ("speriment", a collective term my kids use for all the weird stuff I do) >From: "Kevin Weaver" >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: >Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:08:50 -0500 > >Hi All > >Was wondering if anyone had tried using a plotter like the ones used at the >quick sign places to cut out the foil disks. It's a plotter with a cutting >head on it made for cutting sheets of vinyl into lettering and the such. I >wonder if you could not just take a *.bmp to one of these places and have >them do the work for you as the last time i checked into this it was >running >around $2500 per unit. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Sadelgor [mailto:jimsade@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 5:30 AM > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? > > > > > > > > Has there been any more testing ?? > > > > Jim > > > > > > On the other hand, we look at a solar cell, and > > > find that if one holds it > > > > indoors, or under a shady maple tree, it produces > > > very little electrical > > > > current. But then, step into a sunbeam, and WOW! > > > Geographical dependence > > > > at work... > > > > > > Another common problem is surface resistivity of > > > materials. When a device > > > fails, if any part of the effect involves high > > > voltage at low current, > > > then humidity becomes a critical factor. (And your > > > VandeGraaff output > > > might only rise above 0 volts in an air-conditioned > > > environment!) > > > > > > > > > > Face it, if he or others can do this, then by > > > examining > > > > the areas of active effect carefully, and > > > correlating it to all sorts of > > > > other local ambient conditions, we allow for > > > tremendous advances in the > > > > understanding of the core phenomenon. > > > > > > Right on! When an effect cannot be reproduced, in > > > the past the inventor > > > usually was secretive and would render no > > > assistance, and there the story > > > ended. If there are geographic factors at work, as > > > well as the usual > > > problems caused by secrecy and poorly-detailed > > > reports, then replication > > > is doubly impossible. I have hopes for this > > > capacitor thing because all > > > the fuss is based on public-domain plans, not on > > > quirky and secret > > > personal discoveries which "must" be hidden from all > > > idea-theives. > > > > > > > Time is a major player here. If the weeks go > > > by, and no other successful > > > > replications of C's claims are found at ANY > > > location, then sadly we move > > > > asymptotically toward the conclusion of artifact / > > > hoax. Each of us reaches > > > > our satisfaction point individually. My version > > > of the unit, made with > > > > sputtered Cr-Al ring patterns on mylar sheets, did > > > nothing detectable (last > > > > word is key) from zero to 15 kV. Was it my > > > location? (back room of the lab, > > > > in Perrysburg, Ohio) > > > > > > Someone could go physically to Cliff L.'s place (if > > > he was willing), and > > > work on removing ALL factors which cause > > > replications to be imperfect. But > > > I think that requires that Cliff L. be a > > > "scientist." Most people don't > > > want to give up their secrets, and won't give help > > > to strangers without > > > payment. Scientists are weird in that they behave > > > oppositely, and as long > > > as the main barrier to progress is disbelief, then > > > scientist-like behavior > > > is the best thing we have for tearing away the veil > > > from any genuine > > > "fringe science" discoveries. > > > > > > Remember that the Wright Brothers essentially > > > published plans for their > > > man-lifting, wing-warping kite, and that's the > > > single event which took all > > > "flying machines" from the realm of secretive > > > inventors and put them in > > > the world spotlight. > > > > > > > My hunch is that ZPE or gravity coupled effects > > > will likely show > > > > some degree of variance with location. But > > > probably not to the extent > > > > claimed in C's story. Honest and open attempts at > > > replication are the only > > > > answer. > > > > > > If those guys aren't very experienced in > > > electrostatics, perhaps the > > > problem is something obvious, like the humidity > > > being 90% in the other > > > garage. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 06:30:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA30561; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:30:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:30:03 -0700 From: "Kevin Weaver" To: Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:28:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bfe74e$037926c0$0200a8c0@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000706130132.68340.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ACx3R.0.PT7.Qd8Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Colin I don't know if a good source for tin foil was ever found but i found this place. They sell it in several gauges from .00020" (5.0 mm) through .002" (50 mm) well as a bunch of other foils and metallized films and papers for capacitors. Looks like you might even be able to special order the foil cut to specs from this place but there is sure to be a min order. http://winter-wolff.com/#Capacitor_materials I have also wondered if you could not use and old printing press to lay the tin on the paper. From what i have seen you can use some very thick inks with a press like this. As well as being able to control the amount of ink that is put on the paper to large extent. > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Cain [mailto:nosferado@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:02 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? > > > The ones I've seen locally use heat or laser to cut the vinyl, > both of which > are unsuitable for aluminum. I've not seen one that would use a > blade, which > might work for aluminum. There is one company close by that uses a cnc > driven water jet cutter that cuts thicker materials, but the cost > to me is > prohibitive. Been taking a break from the grav cap to catch up > on family, > vacations, mowing, etc. while planning the next "speriment" frenzy. > ("speriment", a collective term my kids use for all the weird stuff I do) > > > >From: "Kevin Weaver" > >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? > >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:08:50 -0500 > > > >Hi All > > > >Was wondering if anyone had tried using a plotter like the ones > used at the > >quick sign places to cut out the foil disks. It's a plotter with > a cutting > >head on it made for cutting sheets of vinyl into lettering and > the such. I > >wonder if you could not just take a *.bmp to one of these places and have > >them do the work for you as the last time i checked into this it was > >running > >around $2500 per unit. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Sadelgor [mailto:jimsade@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 5:30 AM > > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Gravity Capacitor / geographic factors ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Has there been any more testing ?? > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > On the other hand, we look at a solar cell, and > > > > find that if one holds it > > > > > indoors, or under a shady maple tree, it produces > > > > very little electrical > > > > > current. But then, step into a sunbeam, and WOW! > > > > Geographical dependence > > > > > at work... > > > > > > > > Another common problem is surface resistivity of > > > > materials. When a device > > > > fails, if any part of the effect involves high > > > > voltage at low current, > > > > then humidity becomes a critical factor. (And your > > > > VandeGraaff output > > > > might only rise above 0 volts in an air-conditioned > > > > environment!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face it, if he or others can do this, then by > > > > examining > > > > > the areas of active effect carefully, and > > > > correlating it to all sorts of > > > > > other local ambient conditions, we allow for > > > > tremendous advances in the > > > > > understanding of the core phenomenon. > > > > > > > > Right on! When an effect cannot be reproduced, in > > > > the past the inventor > > > > usually was secretive and would render no > > > > assistance, and there the story > > > > ended. If there are geographic factors at work, as > > > > well as the usual > > > > problems caused by secrecy and poorly-detailed > > > > reports, then replication > > > > is doubly impossible. I have hopes for this > > > > capacitor thing because all > > > > the fuss is based on public-domain plans, not on > > > > quirky and secret > > > > personal discoveries which "must" be hidden from all > > > > idea-theives. > > > > > > > > > Time is a major player here. If the weeks go > > > > by, and no other successful > > > > > replications of C's claims are found at ANY > > > > location, then sadly we move > > > > > asymptotically toward the conclusion of artifact / > > > > hoax. Each of us reaches > > > > > our satisfaction point individually. My version > > > > of the unit, made with > > > > > sputtered Cr-Al ring patterns on mylar sheets, did > > > > nothing detectable (last > > > > > word is key) from zero to 15 kV. Was it my > > > > location? (back room of the lab, > > > > > in Perrysburg, Ohio) > > > > > > > > Someone could go physically to Cliff L.'s place (if > > > > he was willing), and > > > > work on removing ALL factors which cause > > > > replications to be imperfect. But > > > > I think that requires that Cliff L. be a > > > > "scientist." Most people don't > > > > want to give up their secrets, and won't give help > > > > to strangers without > > > > payment. Scientists are weird in that they behave > > > > oppositely, and as long > > > > as the main barrier to progress is disbelief, then > > > > scientist-like behavior > > > > is the best thing we have for tearing away the veil > > > > from any genuine > > > > "fringe science" discoveries. > > > > > > > > Remember that the Wright Brothers essentially > > > > published plans for their > > > > man-lifting, wing-warping kite, and that's the > > > > single event which took all > > > > "flying machines" from the realm of secretive > > > > inventors and put them in > > > > the world spotlight. > > > > > > > > > My hunch is that ZPE or gravity coupled effects > > > > will likely show > > > > > some degree of variance with location. But > > > > probably not to the extent > > > > > claimed in C's story. Honest and open attempts at > > > > replication are the only > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > If those guys aren't very experienced in > > > > electrostatics, perhaps the > > > > problem is something obvious, like the humidity > > > > being 90% in the other > > > > garage. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 07:06:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA06792; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:05:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01bfe753$bd4ff920$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <20000706001432.4560.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Fwd vs Back EMF/ was archive question Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"OJatX.0.yf1.s89Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If it in not to much trouble I would like to see the 1 minute video. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey norris To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 8:14 PM Subject: [FG]: Fwd vs Back EMF/ was archive question > > --- Sam Garza wrote: > > This is awesome Harvey. I would like to know more. > > In summary from reading > > below it sounds like you have no back emf. > No, there is always back emf. However since the side > coils act in the opposite manner that they normally > would in a solitary scenario without the presence of > the polar coils, the induced emf on those particular > coils may be backwards or actually a fwd emf. However > that theorized fwd emf is only (possibly)realized as a > fwd emf if those coils have their functions shut off > and then turned back on as the magnet would sweep by > the respective sides. That is only a theory. I did not > try this, only straight DC power input with power shut > off made for polarity changes by commutation as is > done on DC motors. This produced a rotation of around > 300 rpm of a 50 lb magnet rotor on a 70 watt draw. The > impracticality of air core motors is the fact that if > a load were attached to this rpm, the rpm would be > considerably diminished. It seems possible however > that the overall back emf of the coil system is > reduced by this geometric field coil arrangement. The > higher back emf of the polar coils overules any > opposite effect made by the side coils in series. The > fact that a PORTION of the back emf seems cancelled is > shown by rotating the magnet and observing the signals > coming from the field coils on an oscilloscope. A > very abrupt rise of voltage occurs on polarity change, > as if very little back emf is present during the start > of the AC signal. Thus instead of the signal appearing > as a sine wave it appears more like a square wave and > the voltage very quickly approaches its highest value, > and then very quickly reverses polarity at the end of > its cycle and into the next as a rapid voltage rise. I > am interested in making a ferromagnetic model in the > future as the air core model is dissabled for other > experimentation with large air core inductors. A VHS > video of the motor in operation from 1992 however > still exists in which I could make a small one minute > MPEG file to send if you are of interest. HDN > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: harvey norris > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question > > about list archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Nick Reiter wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello; > > > > > > > > Since joining the group, I have made it my habit > > of > > > > saving the most > > > > pertinent of e-mails on a floppy disc; depending > > > > mainly on topic, then > > > > ditching the rest. If I need to go back to an > > > > earlier posting for some > > > > tidbit, I just go to the e-scribe archive. > > > > Lo and behold, I find that the portion of > > > > yesterday's (July 2) > > > > correspondence, from the time I e-mailed in my > > > > thoughts on the Thiouba > > > > website, on into the evening, is gone. I recall > > > > recieving a couple more > > > > banterings from the group, but they are gone > > from > > > > the archive. Am I seeing > > > > things here, or did part of the archive get > > zapped? > > > > Sometimes I tell myself I ought to be more > > > > paranoid. Then I say, "ah > > > > damn the torpedos, who cares if the Thioureans > > can > > > > zap the archive..." > > > > Maybe this has happened before. Any ideas > > from > > > > Bill or others? > > > > > > > Yes , it does happen once in a while. I went back > > to > > > the archives to give a case example where it > > happened > > > to me, but of course these were not archived, > > because > > > those entries never made it to the archive. Thus > > I > > > really cant determine what entry I wrote that > > never > > > made it to the archive, having deleted my own > > records. > > > I think I made a fuss about it and quit the list > > for > > > awhile. This was in Oct 99. Incidentally > > subscribers > > > to the list should understand that simply sending > > a > > > Unsubscribe message as the subject line does not > > > unsubscribe one from the list; that has to be sent > > to > > > a different request address contained in the > > joining > > > list letter sent when one subscribes. Following is > > a > > > past latter under that heading, in which the > > enormity > > > of the issue may have not been seen, So I am going > > off > > > topic to repeat it: > > > (from Unsubscribe, Oct 99) > > > . The > > > difference between a generator and a motor > > function > > > can > > > simply be stated > > > that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this > > > means > > > is that when an AC > > > generator is putting out max amperage:(top of > > the > > > sine > > > wave), and we > > > compared that to the same instant in time if the > > > device > > > were functioning in > > > reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming > > zero > > > amperage instantly in > > > the same relative field/armature position, and > > not > > > another equivalent action > > > of accepting full amperage. This is because the > > > polarity reversal of input > > > amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same > > time > > > as > > > maximum amperage out > > > as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor > > way > > > of > > > trying to explain, > > > but it simply means that the polarity changes > > that > > > occur on generator/motor > > > actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to > > both > > > models. Additionally > > > this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of > > > field/armature, which > > > everything is built on this principle, and NOT a > > > Newman > > > design where a > > > magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I > > assume > > > a > > > motor rebuilder of > > > your credentials is well aware of these facts. > > > > > > Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have > > not > > > seen > > > it mentioned by > > > others I will state again some further facts you > > may > > > not be aware of. When a > > > magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the > > > amperage observed on an > > > oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with > > the > > > imposed flux change. > > > The above described condition of motor/generator > > > actions being 90 degrees > > > out of phase do not apply in this special > > > circumstance. > > > In the side model > > > action a motor does exactly act as a generator > > in > > > reverse. The reason this > > > design is never used commercially is probably > > due to > > > the torque interaction > > > between field and magnet/armature being much > > weaker. > > > If one also puts the coil with the poles facing > > a > > > rotating magnet as in > > > conventional design, as paradoxical as it may > > sound, > > > it > > > is my observation > > > that the current in the coil observed on the > > scope > > > occurs after the magnet > > > has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that > > these > > > observations may not > > > hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with > > air > > > core > > > coils as Newman > > > uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil > > is > > > acting exactly as if an > > > AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts > > from > > > its > > > inductive reactance > > > to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the > > > source > > > voltage change, or in > > > this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later > > > from > > > the impressed flux > > > change of the rotating magnet. > > > > > > Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating > > side > > > magnet/coil acts as a > > > resonant input, while the polar model acts as a > > non > > > resonant input, exactly > > > similar to inductive reactance actions. Because > > of > > > the > > > fact that Newman uses > > > this side design, and has noted a double > > reversal > > > action from scope readings > > > where the width of the magnet vs width of coil > > inner > > > diameter produced this > > > sort of double reversal, the idea of making a > > hybrid > > > pole/side coil > > > arrangement is initially considered not worth > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 07:48:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA20922; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:48:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:48:23 -0700 Message-ID: <39649B42.FBD6FFBA@harti.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:44:18 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YruJq2.0.k65.tm9Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Dingle watercar motor... > If he takes 10 Amps from the battery and uses a switching power supply > to step down the voltage from 14V to 2V and step up the current to 70 > Amps (in reality ~0 to 70 Amps), then a lot of hydrogen could be > produced with high-efficiency. > > But this is nothing new. > You still need more energy to decompose water than results from > combustion of H2 and O2. And the efficiency of a thermal engine is only > about 20% maximum. I remain skeptical, especially since he has to cool > his cell and this indicates normal, highX-Mozilla-Status: 0009electrolysis. > Hmm, maybe it is a different case, if you burn H2 and O2 OR if you combust it in a motor to do mechanical work ??? Maybe the explosion of H2 and O2 is different than just burning it with a high temperature ?? Maybe the explosion sets free additional mechanical energy to the heat generated during the explosion and also he is using hot and cold air in mixing it with the H2 and O2 ! Look again at the Negre aircar motor to compare them: http://www.overunity.com/negre http://www.overunity.com/watercar -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 09:21:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA24254; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:20:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3964B0C8.8908598F@harti.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:16:08 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YVwMQ1.0.pw5.x6BPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: A new quantum theory with practical solutions http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Ganzproj.html -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 09:48:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA00442; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:48:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:47:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3964B749.830671D0@harti.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:43:53 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VBkyi3.0.d6.zWBPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Check out Chernetski and Correa effects ! http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure2.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure3.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure4.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure5.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure6.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure7.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure8.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure9.html http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Figure10.html -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 11:37:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA31526; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:36:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706183538.94360.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.152.104.48] From: "timothy richardson" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:35:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"cvCsM.0.Mi7.X6DPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Gravity Caps While I have not been following the gravity cap discussion all that closely, I am becoming increasingly interested in it. Something I have not seen much of (probably through simple failure to read all the postings) is detailed theories as to WHY it should work. After doing a serious search on the net for info in this regard, I have come accross gigareams of information, some ludicrous, some funny, some intriquing, same facinating, and some totally plausable. I just wanted to share this with the group, even though many of you may already be familiar with it. The most plausible theory I have seen so far follows. Any serious cap builder/researchers should take a look at this. More detailed info is available at: http://www.stellar.demon.co.uk/stellar.htm#mentalmodel "Consider what might happen if makes large electromagnets as large as the Earth and the Sun and place them millions of miles apart roughly to the scale of the Solar system. These electromagnets are made of copper coils without any magnetic cores such that when they are switched off there is nothing magnetic there. When the Sun electromagnet is switched on, it will take 8 whole minutes to reach the Earth. If as it reaches the Earth, you switched the Sun magnet off and switched the Earth magnet on, then for the next 8 whole minutes you could pull yourself towards the Sun. After the field from Sun has passed by, you switch the Earth's electromagnet off. If there was a huge intervening plastic rod between the Earth and the Sun, then the whole Sun, Earth and plastic rod assembly would be unidirectionally accelerated. The Earth generated magnetic field rushes to the Sun to do the equal and opposite, but it takes 8 minutes to get there. If we wait another 8 minutes, then it would have passed by altogether. After that we are free to repeat the thrust generating cycle! >From this model, you can see that there are moments when EM radiation is produced. If the electromagnets take 1 second to switch on and 1 second to switch off then for those tiny seconds, a lot of EM radiation is produced. No further EM radiation is produced however, once the electromagnets are fully energised. The arguments are designed to show that you can pull yourself against floating magnetic fields. If you could not do that, then it implies that the Earth somehow knew that the Sun magnet was switched off but that information has to be communicated to the Earth at speeds greater than the speed of light. Since nothing known travels faster than light, it is safe to assume that we can pull against a disconnected free and floating magnetic field. Magnetic fields take finite time to travel between two points. It is that loop hole that is exploited to make the Stellar Drive Engine." Now, consider that one could just as well use electrostatic fields, and a properly constructed capacitor become obvious as a means to generate thrust. Its important to note that a properly modulated power supply is as important to function as the design of the capacitor. I don't see any reason why location would play a factor, but since the earth is alive with various fields its not implausable either. Anyway, something to consider.... Tim Richardson ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 14:49:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA17515; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:48:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:48:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:48:18 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps In-Reply-To: <20000706183538.94360.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"K-r-r2.0.WH4.gwFPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, timothy richardson wrote: > The arguments are designed to show that you can pull yourself against > floating magnetic fields. If you could not do that, then it implies that the > Earth somehow knew that the Sun magnet was switched off but that information > has to be communicated to the Earth at speeds greater than the speed of > light. Since nothing known travels faster than light, it is safe to assume > that we can pull against a disconnected free and floating magnetic field. This is one of Peter Graneau's pet topics. Harold Aspden's too, I think. When a railgun launches its conductive projectile, Relativity predicts that the railgun's "kick" force will be in one spot on the rails, but experiment show its prediction to be... wrong. > Now, consider that one could just as well use electrostatic fields, and a > properly constructed capacitor become obvious as a means to generate thrust. If there is some sort of nondestructive discharges happening in the capacitor (like high-freq pulses of corona current), and if Relatively is wrong, then maybe you are on track, and the capacitor is emitting an intense beam of electromagnetic momentum. > I don't see any > reason why location would play a factor, but since the earth is alive with > various fields its not implausable either. We inventors are way too overconfident. When an invention is successful, we don't consider that it might be a matter of luck, and the device might stop working at any time, never to work again. If we remain fearful that the world is full of changing conditions which might eliminate our success at any time, then we might do the right thing: videotape the heck out of it, and spread the word so others can duplicate it before it vanishes. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 15:53:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04891; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:52:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706225118.28846.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Fwd vs Back EMF/ mpeg file To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"vcNtF2.0.KC1.GsGPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Sam Garza wrote: > If it in not to much trouble I would like to see the > 1 minute video. If you are in USA I can send VHS tape copy if you have VHS player. This will show entire 10 minute video. MPEG files take a long time to send and load, which is why I would only make 2 min at end of video showing operation of motor. Send postal address if you prefer tape. HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 16:36:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16481; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:35:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01bfe7a2$80145e80$9d3dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <3964B0C8.8908598F@harti.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:32:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"3FAnI1.0.M14.tUHPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: A new quantum theory with practical solutions ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Hartmann" To: ; ; "Free Energy" ; "Newman-L Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: [FG]: A new quantum theory with practical solutions > http://users.erols.com/stuartjr/Ganzproj.html > > -- ******* Hmmm. I skim read the website. My opinion is - "not impressed". The reason? Once again, someone has gleaned about a dozen accomplishments and experiments performed by others; packaged these findings into an overly verbose "theory", slapped their own moniker on it, and now are trying to score money for research. Why not go to bat and try to raise funding for Correa or the primary investigators instead? Coming from an environment in photovoltaic R&D, I have been involved with the process of procuring funding such as SBIR contracts from the DOE. The generally agreed upon strategy for success in procurement is to produce a well documented and published new development, with complete hardware and demonstrated diligence. This means biting the bullet, use your own resources and ingenuity, along with what private capital you can get from partners. Then after you demonstrate proof of concept, go can legitimately go to large investors or governmental sources. You don't get the big bucks on re-packaged ideas of others, even if you tie them together with lots of math and long winded theory and expectations. The reason that there is currently no high degree of funding for cold fusion, antigravity, or OU isn't so much because of some shadowy conspiracy, it's because despite verbage and promises, most promoters of these ideas fail to deliver enough in the way of hard results to trigger the initial funding rounds. The tiny core of dedicated scientists and experimenters who do observe interesting phenomena, first hand, sadly are many times not in a position to properly develop their inventions further. They often need help and equipment. Less talk, more experiments. And share 'em. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 16:46:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA19864; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:45:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <39651919.E73B92A2@harti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:41:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r2SGE2.0.Es4.DeHPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com has anybody seen any pictures of a working gravity cap yet ? Or do we still only have these 2 anonymous posters, that are not able to upload any pictures ??? William Beaty schrieb: > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, timothy richardson wrote: > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 17:38:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03057; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:37:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3965AB3D.918C3842@dove.net.au> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:04:45 +0000 From: gsawyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@d e fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@defau lt> <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F7ZG7.0.Sl.hOIPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick M.. Hey Rick, why not use the measured voltage to vary a 555 or some other oscillator (voltage controlled) to create a varying tone ? That way you are sending Audio, which should survive the trip down ( err.. UP ) the lines, and can still be interpreted remotely, you could get real fancy and add a F-V converter at the top end to read the voltage swings if you wanted to. Seeing as you were intending to have a V-meter down there as well then just a small battery to power the Osc' instead. Whaddya think of them apples. All the best from South Australia. Glen. -------------------------------------------------------- Glenville T. Sawyer Alternative Energy Experimenter, Amateur Radio Operator http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net -------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 17:44:01 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05296; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:43:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:43:03 -0700 Message-ID: <39652895.EEF5C5DE@csrlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:47:18 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@d e fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@defau lt> <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> <3965AB3D.918C3842@dove.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-Rso_3.0.aI1.MUIPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Couldn't Ley Lines simply be a map of the Earth's electrical or magnetic lines of force (or both)? Mj gsawyer wrote: > Rick M.. > > Hey Rick, why not use the measured voltage to vary a 555 or > some other oscillator (voltage controlled) to create a varying > tone ? > > That way you are sending Audio, which should survive the trip > down ( err.. UP ) the lines, and can still be interpreted remotely, > you could get real fancy and add a F-V converter at the top end to > read the voltage swings if you wanted to. > > Seeing as you were intending to have a V-meter down there as well > then just a small battery to power the Osc' instead. > > Whaddya think of them apples. > > All the best from South Australia. > > Glen. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Glenville T. Sawyer > Alternative Energy Experimenter, Amateur Radio Operator > http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net > -------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 18:39:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA17859; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:38:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:38:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bfe7b3$bc3c64a0$a73dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@d e fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@defau lt> <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default > <3965AB3D.918C3842@dove.net.au> <39652895.EEF5C5DE@csrlink.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:36:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"g2xtt2.0.wM4.jIJPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Johnston" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? > Couldn't Ley Lines simply be a map of the Earth's electrical or magnetic > lines of force (or both)? > Mj ******* I suspect they are related. One of the tests I am planning to run in about 2 weeks is to take voltages between sets of two points in the topsoil, at the Newark Mound complex in Newark, Ohio. This is an area that has been dowsed and "probed" numerous times, by dowsers and sensitives, some of whom have mapped out their impression of "lines" radiating away from and between mounds. I will likely use copper rod electrodes, and my Fluke 77. I will try to determine if any gradients in potential exist in the areas claimed by the dowsers. My vote is that ley lines are related to electrical currents or conductive bands in the bedrock and aquifers. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 6 21:38:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA04719; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:38:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:38:20 -0700 Message-ID: <00ff01bfe7cc$e4490ac0$3bd4ddd1@x2001> From: "2001" To: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:36:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"14HBC.0.691.xwLPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST In building the Hydro Boost hydrolysis unit for adding hydrogen to the fuel mixture in my car I am concerned that there could possibly be an explosion. The container is 4" dia., 1/4" thick ABS plastic pipe with end caps glued on (total height: 10") Does anyone know of a way to almost totally avoid this danger or a way to construct some sort of device that would give way (such as the bottom of the container blowing off) if an explosion should occur. Bil From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 05:45:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA21776; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 05:44:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 05:44:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20000707124426.63670.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [166.102.81.70] From: "Colin Cain" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:44:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Aw1sN.0.9K5.B3TPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've seen no successful Gravity Capacitor Pictures as of yet, you can bet just as soon as I have one every one will see. As for our "2 anonymous posters" maybe we should just give them a rest, they've had their laugh or their paranoid, in either case they have initiated quite some amount of work and discussion that may actually lead somewhere. I'm going to pay more attention to what I know has been demonstrated to work (Brown, Naudin, Frolov) and try to come to some kind of understanding of how it works and how it might apply to the grav cap. I think the grav cap represents a kind of "universal electrostatic matrix" ram jet engine (only analogy I can think of, sorry) that some how multiplies the effect demonstrated by the aforementioned gentlemen, this is my field of endevour. Proceeding ahead slowly but surely. Colin >From: Stefan Hartmann >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps >Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:41:13 +0200 > >has anybody seen any pictures of a working gravity cap yet ? >Or do we still only have these 2 anonymous posters, that are >not able to upload any pictures ??? > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 07:09:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA11837; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:09:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:09:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3965E390.1DD606C0@harti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:05:04 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps References: <20000707124426.63670.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zjShK.0.ru2.0IUPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Colin, I guess the trick is in the PFT device: Colin Cain schrieb: > > I've seen no successful Gravity Capacitor Pictures as of yet, you can bet > just as soon as I have one every one will see. As for our "2 anonymous > posters" maybe we should just give them a rest, they've had their laugh or > their paranoid, in either case they have initiated quite some amount of work > and discussion that may actually lead somewhere. I'm going to pay more > attention to what I know has been demonstrated to work (Brown, Naudin, > Frolov) and try to come to some kind of understanding of how it works and > how it might apply to the grav cap. I think the grav cap represents a kind > of "universal electrostatic matrix" ram jet engine (only analogy I can think > of, sorry) that some how multiplies the effect demonstrated by the > aforementioned gentlemen, this is my field of endevour. > > Proceeding ahead slowly but surely. > > Colin > > >From: Stefan Hartmann > >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps > >Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:41:13 +0200 > > > >has anybody seen any pictures of a working gravity cap yet ? > >Or do we still only have these 2 anonymous posters, that are > >not able to upload any pictures ??? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 07:17:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA15904; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:17:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:17:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3965E573.AD1FB9BF@harti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:13:07 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Colin Cain X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <20000707124426.63670.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ogcCy1.0.Lu3.VPUPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Gravity Caps secrets ? Hi Colin, I guess the trick is in the PFT device: http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/pft02.htm Naudin here shows, that an asymmetrical charge of a capacitor yields a thrust ! Probably we have with the gravity caps also a PFT device which has an inner magnetic field due to leakage currents and also the electrostatical E field. So I guess it just needs to setup the orientation right, maybe also the contact sheets of the tin play a role, as Bill Beaty mentioned in one reply to the anonymous posters... So we might just think more about the PFT effect and in which orientation of the fields the biggest forces could be produced and also look for leakage dielectrica which can handle the high voltage but also have leakage currents. I guess then we will succeed in building such a gravity cap ! Good luck ! regards, Stefan. Colin Cain schrieb: > > I've seen no successful Gravity Capacitor Pictures as of yet, you can bet > just as soon as I have one every one will see. As for our "2 anonymous > posters" maybe we should just give them a rest, they've had their laugh or > their paranoid, in either case they have initiated quite some amount of work > and discussion that may actually lead somewhere. I'm going to pay more > attention to what I know has been demonstrated to work (Brown, Naudin, > Frolov) and try to come to some kind of understanding of how it works and > how it might apply to the grav cap. I think the grav cap represents a kind > of "universal electrostatic matrix" ram jet engine (only analogy I can think > of, sorry) that some how multiplies the effect demonstrated by the > aforementioned gentlemen, this is my field of endevour. > > Proceeding ahead slowly but surely. > > Colin -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 08:08:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA32110; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:32 -0700 Message-ID: <010901bfe825$88a1c3c0$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <20000707124426.63670.qmail@hotmail.com> <3965E390.1DD606C0@harti.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:10:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"SomkS1.0.dr7.o8VPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What is a PFT device? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps > Hi Colin, > I guess the trick is in the PFT device: > > > Colin Cain schrieb: From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 09:13:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA23667; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:12:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: <015e01bfe82e$a55ae380$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <00ff01bfe7cc$e4490ac0$3bd4ddd1@x2001> Subject: Re: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"h6Pni3.0.en5.t5WPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yes isolate it from the engine with a bubbler. It is a container that just has water in it. You hook up a vacuum tube to it from one of the engine vacuum taps or tee into one and put a tube from your electrolyzer into it down near the bottom. The vacuum then will draw the gas through the water in bubbles from the electrolyzer and if back fire occurs all it does at most is blow the tube off either the vacuum tap or the bubbler although I have never been aware of either so it may be so small that the tube can withstand it over its length. You need to have a sealable bottle you could make it out of a wide mouth mayonnaise jar. Put some shoe goo around where the hoses go through the lid. You just need to watch the water level over time as it will eventually evaporate. But you should be able to see the water level and the bubble action through the glass. If you want a better solution just ask. By the way if you are separating the H2 from the O you do not have a problem as hydrogen has to have oxygen to burn. Billings Energy used to have a hydrogen homestead in Provo, Utah and the hydrogen was just piped around to where ever it was needed and even burned in both the central heating unit and kitchen stove like natural gas or propane. Enjoy, Sam Garza, President of Aircycle Industries ----- Original Message ----- From: 2001 To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:36 AM Subject: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST > In building the Hydro Boost hydrolysis unit for adding > hydrogen to the fuel mixture in my car I am concerned > that there could possibly be an explosion. The container > is 4" dia., 1/4" thick ABS plastic pipe with end caps glued > on (total height: 10") > > Does anyone know of a way to almost totally avoid this > danger or a way to construct some sort of device that > would give way (such as the bottom of the container > blowing off) if an explosion should occur. > > Bil > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 09:21:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA26760; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:20:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:20:27 -0700 Message-ID: <018301bfe82f$bd4cd7e0$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <20000706225118.28846.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Fwd vs Back EMF/ mpeg file Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:23:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"UzttP3.0.xX6.ADWPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sam Garza 435 Bullington Rd. SW Cleveland, TN 37311 I have a VHS player. Thanks in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey norris To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Fwd vs Back EMF/ mpeg file > > --- Sam Garza wrote: > > If it in not to much trouble I would like to see the > > 1 minute video. > If you are in USA I can send VHS tape copy if you have > VHS player. This will show entire 10 minute video. > MPEG files take a long time to send and load, which is > why I would only make 2 min at end of video showing > operation of motor. Send postal address if you prefer > tape. HDN > > ===== > Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 10:29:28 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA16190; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:28:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:28:59 -0700 From: "David Rosignoli" Sender: drdaveor@enter.net Reply-to: drdaveor@enter.net To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:28:51 +400 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.1t, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39661353.1bd8.0@enter.net> X-User-Info: 192.91.146.34 Resent-Message-ID: <"9sk7u1.0.oy3.QDXPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: PFT Q & A >I guess the trick is in the PFT device: I took a look at the PFT device on JLN's page. He is saying that he is obtaining a force perpendicular to a circular parallel capacitor's plates, assuming that the lead wires are connected close to the edge of the capacitor. He says that there is an asymmetrical poynting vector field that becomes symmetrical when the HV leads are connected directly in the center (and no force results, consequently). But just because the S field is asymmetrical, why is there a net force generated, and what is the mathematical relationship for this force? Also, the energy density vector, or Poynting vector, is represented as: S=e*C*C*E X B So, you must have an electric field AND a magnetic field. A nonzero current is necessary. If you have a capacitor then the only way movement will occur, is if current is allowed to flow. This means by charging or discharging or by leakage. Of course, AC current for this current design would yield an oscillating motion. Perhaps a better approach would be to create a true ideal capacitor, with no leakage current, and to apply an external magnetic field with a permanent magnet (or electromagnet) that is independent of the current flow of the capacitor. In this configuration, the wires feeding the capacitor should be bent to prevent transformer effects. But how to apply the external magnetic field so that it is parallel to the capacitor plate itself? Also, if this is true, then could you create a free energy device by manipulating this motion? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 14:11:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04253; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3965AB3D.918C3842@dove.net.au> References: <20000704093051.65265.qmail@hotmail.com><002601bfe5b1$664a9840$253dee3f@d e fault> <001101bfe5f5$23c933c0$893dee3f@defau lt> <000e01bfe6d9$51692440$383dee3f@default> <3965AB3D.918C3842@dove.net.au> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:06:50 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Finding gridpoints/ley-lines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"7JoIf3.0.821.GQaPv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Glen - Well, that's one of the ideas I've played with. I have an old laptop that can record sound, and I've thought of various ways to utilize that. But quantifying the sound and logging it - it all gets more complicated. The voltage is small, and the drift over time can be large. I wanted to keep it really simple. Thanks for the idea. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI > Rick M.. > > Hey Rick, why not use the measured voltage to vary a 555 or >some other oscillator (voltage controlled) to create a varying >tone ? > > That way you are sending Audio, which should survive the trip >down ( err.. UP ) the lines, and can still be interpreted remotely, >you could get real fancy and add a F-V converter at the top end to >read the voltage swings if you wanted to. > > Seeing as you were intending to have a V-meter down there as well >then just a small battery to power the Osc' instead. > > Whaddya think of them apples. > > > All the best from South Australia. > > > Glen. > > >-------------------------------------------------------- >Glenville T. Sawyer >Alternative Energy Experimenter, Amateur Radio Operator > http://www.gsawyer.mtx.net >-------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 7 20:26:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA10543; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:25:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:25:58 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:25:22 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> In-Reply-To: <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id UAA10516 Resent-Message-ID: <"AYOB33.0.ea2.6zfPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Michael Johnston's message of Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:22:30 -0400: [snip] >Faraday did it in several ways. First by rotating a coil of copper wire (which was >wound over a soft iron core which had been demagnetized by heating) so that it cut >the earths magnetic lines of force. Another way was with rotating disc's of copper >and another was with a rotating copper globe. They all worked. But had to be aligned >correctly. He placed them by using a compass to find north and angled them at 70 >degrees to approximate the curvature of the earth. If he changed the alignment too >much it no longer worked. Imagine the back emf on those babies....... >Like I said it was just a thought but it seems like there is something to it. It >makes me happy to play with it at any rate. >MJ All of these essentially use the Earth's magnetic field as a replacement for the field of a permanent magnet, but appear to be essentially normal electrical generators. IOW the electrical energy produced results from the mechanical energy required to rotate the systems. As such they are in fact no more than inefficient generators. Now if you could produce an electrical current without having to rotate anything, then you would really be getting FE. BTW this does happen when CMEs interact with the Earth's magnetic field, and also with Earth bound conductors. Unfortunately we are not "set up" to take advantage of this energy, and it is just a nuisance. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 12:33:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA19747; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:31:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:31:59 -0700 Message-ID: <396782B9.A6E911E9@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:36:25 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wIr8s3.0.Pq4.k6uPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Robin, Replies below.... Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > All of these essentially use the Earth's magnetic field as a replacement for > the field of a permanent magnet, Yes > but appear to be essentially normal > electrical generators. Again yes. > IOW the electrical energy produced results from the > mechanical energy required to rotate the systems. As such they are in fact > no more than inefficient generators. Then again, I would like to do some actual experiments when I get the time. Why? Because of the back emf thing. In any mechanically driven generator there is a certain amount of mechanical energy necessary to turn the generator right? Usually it is more energy than what is ultimately produced by the generator. Basic losses. Inefficient motor or whatever. The main resistance in the generator (other than gravity and friction on the shaft and heat losses in the coil) is of course the "Back EMF". This being basically the field that is set up in the magnet which opposes the inducted current flow in the rotating coil (or vice versa). This is taken as a given effect of generating electricity by induction. That's how levitating trains work, opposing emf between the rails and the train. What about power generated by induction using the earth's fields as the power source/magnet though? How would the back emf be expressed there? Your coil would not have to be right next to the "magnet" in this case but would be within the field itself. In other words there would be no local "fixed" point from which the back emf could originate and so would there be less opposition? Or in something like the levitating train, could you levitate the generator against the field of the earth? Remember that the amount of current created in a generator depends solely upon the number of coils in the generator,(and the rpm's at which you turn them) not the strength of the field (although that does of course have some bearing on it because the weaker the field the more turns you need to supply a given current). > > Now if you could produce an electrical current without having to rotate > anything, then you would really be getting FE. Ok so draw a distinction between FE and OU. Ou means (to me) that you get more energy out of something than what you put into it. I always made the same definition for FE but if you want to look at it as strictly applying to zero point energy fine. > > BTW this does happen when CMEs interact with the Earth's magnetic field, and > also with Earth bound conductors. Unfortunately we are not "set up" to take > advantage of this energy, and it is just a nuisance. Yes, because business would have a hard time making money if everyone had their own little generator wouldn't they? MJ > > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do > to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 12:57:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA26264; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:56:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:56:14 -0700 Message-ID: <39678867.BF6D5485@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:00:40 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael S. Johnston" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y2R6c2.0.DQ6.UTuPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Comments on gas plasma torch operated by water vapor? Hi all, Here is the text to which I refer; Properties of Gas Kinetics of a Plasma Torch Operated by Water Vapor* __Water molecules in steam are passing through a plasma torch with extremely high temperature. A typical gas temperature inside the torch is more than 10 thousand degrees centigrade. Most water molecules may be ionized and then recombine with electrons through the disassociate recombination process. The water molecules at this extreme temperature disintegrate into the radical hydrogen atoms and OH molecules in a fraction of microseconds. There are two quasi equilibrium states of gas kinetics when a fluid element of torch gas propagates downstream. They are H- and O- equilibrium's, which dominate gas kinetics at the temperature higher than 3 thousand degrees. Most of the dominant gas species during the H- and O- reactions are the hydrogen and oxygen atoms, the OH molecules and hydrogen and oxygen molecules. These gas species will have strong chemical reactions with any hydrocarbon compound.Concentrations of these radical species are determined in terms of the propagation distance or in terms of temperature, of the fluid element. * This work is supported by IR fund at Naval Surface Warfare Committee (?) HREF: http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSDPP96/abs/G740017.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 13:24:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03002; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:23:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:23:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bfe919$e0861100$5a3dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> <396782B9.A6 E911E9@csrlink.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:19:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"frrVB1.0.hk.nsuPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello; Here's two thoughts I'll throw out to the peanut gallery: 1. I'm a sucker for historical alt-sci mysteries. One of the ones that I've obsessed on was Wilburt Smith's supposed method for extracting electrical energy from the earth's geo-magnetic field. Since most of you are probably familiar with who Smith was, I'll skip that part. However, the reprinted article about the "Smith Coil" seems to be talking about a different system than the geo-mag extraction. I've yet to meet anyone who has ever seen any further work or documentation on the geo-mag set-up. It was briefly described by WS in a memo to the Canadian Ministry of Transportation, circa 1960 I think. Smith claimed that he and his team had built a magnetic "sink", a device that could extract about 50mW of power from the earth's magnetic field. They were intending to build a larger version. He hinted that a larger version could develop a mechanical reaction force against the earth's field. Sounds like what you're discussing. Anybody out there ever hear of this "other device" of Wilburt Smith? 2. At most points at the earth's surface, the earth's field is between .25 and .45 gauss. Pretty weak, by machinery standards, but ever so vast in size. Why not harvest these lines of force, and concentrate them? Build two very broad, low cones (solid) out of iron or ferrite, or mu-metal. Orient them along the earth's lines of force, with the cones point to point ( the points would have small truncations, and be spaced apart by an air gap of some small desirable size) The lines of force over a broader area would be concentrated to the small area between the truncated points. In this magnetic gap, you should have a much higher flux density to work with. Use it to move an armature, or to push along vanes made of YBCO superconductor by Meisner effect. OOHH now thats an idea. A Meisner effect motor using nothing but the geomagnetic field, appropriately directed, and a YBCO rotor in an LN bath. Course I could be missing a key point here, so comment please.... > > > > BTW this does happen when CMEs interact with the Earth's magnetic field, and > > also with Earth bound conductors. Unfortunately we are not "set up" to take > > advantage of this energy, and it is just a nuisance. > > Yes, because business would have a hard time making money if everyone had their own > little generator wouldn't they? > MJ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 13:40:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA07695; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:39:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:39:59 -0700 Message-ID: <396792B1.F34911DD@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:44:33 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> <396782B9.A6 E911E9@csrlink.net> <000901bfe919$e0861100$5a3dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Weu0D3.0.7u1.U6vPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Hi Nick, See below; > > > 2. At most points at the earth's surface, the earth's field is between .25 > and .45 gauss. Pretty weak, by machinery standards, but ever so vast in > size. Right. > Why not harvest these lines of force, and concentrate them? Build > two very broad, low cones (solid) out of iron or ferrite, or mu-metal. Or how about out of a crystal to intensify them (such as quartz)? Maybe even granite since that is 90% quartz? > > Orient them along the earth's lines of force, Like at 30 degrees longitude with the points oriented to the cardinal points of the compass? > with the cones point to point > ( the points would have small truncations, and be spaced apart by an air gap > of some small desirable size) Or how about a chamber inside the crystal "cone" or pyramid shape? > The lines of force over a broader area would > be concentrated to the small area between the truncated points. In this > magnetic gap, you should have a much higher flux density to work with. Use > it to move an armature, or to push along vanes made of YBCO superconductor > by Meisner effect. OOHH now thats an idea. A Meisner effect motor using > nothing but the geomagnetic field, appropriately directed, and a YBCO rotor > in an LN bath. Course I could be missing a key point here, so comment > please.... Key point: It's been done. Re: Egypt, pyramids, etc... Check out a picture of the djed pillars with their "light bulb" looking attachments somewhere. Then think of this. Pillar as little coil as you describe? MJ > > > > > > > > BTW this does happen when CMEs interact with the Earth's magnetic field, > and > > > also with Earth bound conductors. Unfortunately we are not "set up" to > take > > > advantage of this energy, and it is just a nuisance. > > > > Yes, because business would have a hard time making money if everyone had > their own > > little generator wouldn't they? > > MJ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 16:41:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA14044; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:40:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:40:03 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:42:30 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Resent-Message-ID: <"P-p501.0.HR3.JlxPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Part A: DISTINGUISHED EXPERT ENDORSES JOSEPH NEWMAN'S PIONEERING WORK Part A: DISTINGUISHED EXPERT ENDORSES JOSEPH NEWMAN'S PIONEERING WORK FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (7/7/2000) In light of recent public admissions by the U.S. Navy, Litton Industries, and other companies that my life's work is TRUE (reference: Mechanical Engineering Magazine of April, 2000) and, at the same time, they "claim" (plunder) that they have invented a "SUPER-MOTOR," I submit the following: Note: The power brokers employ a two-edged sword in the deception strategy - In May and June 2000, the power brokers published in Forbes Magazine, The New York Times, and in Discover Magazine references to the same book - "Voodoo Science and Energy" by Bob Park - who attempts to attack my work. Bob Park has successfully demonstrated his bias as well as his inability to ascertain the FACTS prior to publishing his book. Concerning an understanding of my work, the accuracy of his book is limited to the correct spelling of my name. Beyond that, he has factually demonstrated repeated comission and omission of the REAL FACTS concerning my revolutionary technology. At the same time that the above media-controlled outlets publish the Park articles, the Mechanical Engineering Magazine claims that the Navy (also controlled by the power brokers via their lucrative multi-billion dollar defense contracts with multi-national corporations) has invented a "SUPER MOTOR" that is actually one application plundered from Joseph Newman's technology. I was informed by news anchor Garland Robinette (with the CBS-affiliate TV station in New Orleans) that he was personally invited to a large reception and dinner held by a consortium of oil company magnates. Those individuals told Garland Robinette to explicitly tell Joseph Newman that, "If he did not sell his Pioneering Energy Invention to them, that they would see that I never got it produced and they would steal it." "There is a God," since I have just discovered - in my extensive files dating back thirty years - a very special Affidavit by Paul L. Gomory, who was at the time he prepared it the Expert Advisor to the Judiciary Committee on Patent Law in Washington, D.C. Mr. Gomory was introduced to me by representatives of Senator Stennis. My subsequent meeting with Paul Gomory resulted in the following Affidavit that exemplifies the truth I have told you: IN THE UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE Applicant: Joseph W. Newman Art Group: 212 Serial No.: 179,474 Examiner: Duggan Filing Date: August 18, 1980 Date: September 1982 For: "ENERGY GENERATION SYSTEM HAVING HIGHER ENERGY OUTPUT THAN INPUT" AFFIDAVIT OF PAUL L. GOMORY *************************** STATE OF MARYLAND The undersigned, being duly deposed, swears and states that: My name is Paul L. Gomory, I live at 5609 Ogden Road in Bethesda, Maryland. I was born in Newark, New Jersey and attended schools in Hungary, Austria, France, and England. Studied chemistry and engineering at the University of London, England and at Polytechnic Institute in New York City. I have an Inter-Science degree, University of London, England and that subsequent to the studies leading to that degree I studied Advanced Physics at King's College, University of London, England. I hold a law degree from Temple University School of Law and am a member of the Bar of the United States Supreme Court, Pennsylvania Supreme Court, the Court of Customs and Patent Appeals, and a number of lower state courts and federal courts. The recently enacted patent law revision bill is one of several on which I have worked assiduously having testified on it and others on behalf of the Association for the Advancement of Invention and Innovation (A^2I^2) and on my own behalf. I was a Director and Advisor contact on the Hill and Public Relations person. I drafted a number of bills which have been introduced in the U.S. Senate as well as in the House of Representatives, and have secured the introduction of the American Patent Law Association bill presented to the 94th Congress. I am an ex-officio member of the National Council on Patent Law Associations. I have chaired a number of committees in the American Bar Association, the District of Columbia Bar Association, and in the American Patent Law Association. These committees have been related to various legislation activities including public relations and public information. I have acted as liaison between the D.C. Bar Association, Patent, Trademark and Copyright Section of the District of Columbia Bar Association and was for many years a member of the Antitrust and Trade Regulation Committee of the Chamber of Commerce of the United States and its Subcommittee on Divestiture which I conceived and formation of which I instigated. I have worked with a large number of other associations including NAM, CMA, PMA, MAPI, ATA, etc. I have been involved intimately in chairing committees, including patent law committees, in drafting bills introduced in the Congress and responsible for drafting several patent law revision bills including S.4259, 93rd Congress; S.214 Fong, 94th Congress Fong; HR14632 Wiggins, 94th Congress; HR 5075 Butler, 96th Congress - the patent reexamination procedure now in effect in the PTO first appeared in Fong S.4259. I have authored a number of legal briefs for the United States Supreme Court, as well as articles on political and legal subjects, including Trade Secret Law, Freedom of Information Act, Intellectual Property Law, and Government Patent Policy. I have reviewed the specification of the above identified Application [by Joseph Westley Newman] with particular reference to the related embodiments of Figures 5 and 6 and the disclosures on pages 24-35 concerning inter-alia the "working prototypes" built and to be built in the form of those figures. In the interest of not being repetitious and lengthy, let me simply state I also found the embodiments of Figs. 5 and 6 simple to understand and that I also believe that from Applicant's [Joseph Newman's] instructions given in his specification, I would build a device similar to the one I viewed at the Hospitality House, across from the U.S. Patent Office, the same one which the Board will see and inspect. My conclusions on reading the specification is basically as already described in point 3 of page one through point 5 of page three of attorney Pugh's Declaration listed as Exhibit 2 in the Appeal Brief before the Board as well as the description given in second paragraph of page two through fourth paragraph of page four of attorney Renneker's Affidavit listed as Exhibit 1 in the Appeal Brief before the Board. The major question being: Does the teaching and instructions of Applicant's [Joseph Newman's] specification become verified or disproven with factual demonstrations given relative to his teachings and instructions? It is apparent that the teachings of Applicant [Joseph Newman] are either true or false. The Examiner has taken the position that Applicant's teachings were false, therefore, the invention would not function as claimed and therefore one could not build the invention, and [he] quoted rejection under 35 USC 112 (first paragraph). The Examiner in his final action of page 2 stated, Quote: "that rotor 300, allegedly weighing approximately four hundred pounds, is driven EXCLUSIVELY by motor coil 305, allegedly energized by a mere 126 volts and 99 milliamperes." Unquote. It is obvious the Examiner chose to disbelieve that such a massive rotor could be driven by such low wattage, if indeed such even existed. Applicant [Joseph Newman] distinctly teaches the more larger [the] diameter and longer the coil 205 or 305, the greater the magnetic field and less current used, and coupled with a stronger magnetic field of magnet 200 or 300, the greater would be the energy output relative to energy input. Applicant [Joseph Newman] distinctly teaches and instructs in the specification the correctness of his invention and that the teachings of the prior art are not correct. Again, it is obvious to the Examiner, on page 3 of his final rejection, chose to disbelieve Applicant's teachings and instructions, Quote: "While applicant may certainly propound his own theories of operation of his invention, more proof of operativeness than has been presented here is required if the device is alleged more than 100% efficient." Unquote. It is a well known fact that the prior art teaches the electrical energy produced by a battery or generator is used up in the system which it operates, whether being lights, motors, heating elements and etc. and/or causing a release of energy of any type. Applicant [Joseph Newman] in his specification clearly teaches against such prior art (see pages 16 thru 21 of his specification, especially see pages 19 thru 21). On this day Applicant [Joseph Newman] showed and demonstrated to me a simple demonstration that his teachings are correct and that the electrical energy produced from a generator or battery is not used up in the system it operates. At first this goes against common sense because of what we have been taught! Applicant [Joseph Newman] used a permanent magnet D.C. motor as a generator. He demonstrated that the resistance of the copper windings of the generator was only 3 ohms. Therefore, he demonstrated the so-called work load would be nil if the two leads from the generator were connected, and the generator shaft were then rotated by hand (pulling a cord wrapped around a 1.5 inch diameter pulley attached to shaft of generator). I was asked to then pull the cord lightly once and then briskly. I immediately experienced noticeable resistive force the harder I pulled the cord, although there was no conventional work load hooked in the system. Applicant mechanically explained these results by his teachings of gyroscopic particles; that when the atoms of the rotating coils of the generator hit the gyroscopic particles (at some degree of a right angle) which were being emitted from the atoms of the permanent magnets in the generator, that the gyroscopic particles then went down the length of copper wire coils (but that their gyroscopic spin would then be at some degree of a right angle to the balance of the spin of the gyroscopic particles still moving in the magnetic field from the permanent magnets), therefore when the leads were hooked together this then allowed the gyroscopic particles to then try to re-enter the influences of said gyroscopic particles of said permanent magnets, but that their spin would be at some degree of a right angle to one another, therefore they try to push away from each other, resulting in the coils of [the] generator then having resistance to rotation. And that this effect was multiplied the faster you turned the coils, because then the more gyro-particles you would cause to be released from said permanent magnetic field, resulting in an ACCUMULATIVE EFFECT of gyro-particles in the closed system (coils), then trying to re-enter the influence of gyro-particles moving in said magnetic field of said permanent magnets and therefore would always more vigorously resist your acceleration of the coil and its shaft of the generator, although there was no conventional work load placed in the system. Then Applicant [Joseph Newman] attached work load of six small miniature motors in series to the two leads of the generator (the resistance or conventional work load placed in the system was then considerably greater). Applicant now asked me to again pull the cord as I had previously done. I must say I was amazed to find that the resistance to me rotating the shaft of the generator was dramatically reduced; although all six motors run when I pulled the cord and was producing obvious work. If, as the prior art so persistently teaches, the Electrical Energy produced by a generator or battery is used up in the work load which the system operates, then why should I observe these results? As Applicant [Joseph Newman] pointed out, the conventional words "Shorted Out" does not mechanically explain the results. However, his teachings and instructions do mechanically explain the results. Applicant [Joseph Newman] explained that when the work load of six motors in series was placed in the system, the same number of gyro-particles were released from the field of the permanent magnet by the coils of the generator (relative to equal speeds of rotation of shaft) but that now, because of the work load (resistance), they could not easily re-enter into the gyro-particles of said magnetic field of said permanent magnets, and therefore resulted in hydraulic effect back to their source and throughout the work load of the motors, resulting in the motors rotating and producing obvious work and yet causing me less energy input, and Applicant [Joseph Newman] pointed out, that once the gyro-particles managed to get through the work load of the motors, then they would still go back into the generator and cause me to experience a resistive force, (as result of prior explanation). Therefore, based off Applicant's teachings, one does not want the electric current to get back to the source of its beginnings, whether battery or generator. And that, contrary to prior art teachings, the electrical current is NOT used up in the work load! But that the input of a work load causes LESS destruction of a battery or LESS energy input into a generator. Exactly as Applicant teaches in his specification. Applicant also points out that the prior art teaches [that] copper is "nonmagnetic," and, contrary to this, Applicant teaches throughout the specification concerning Figs. 5 and 6 that copper is extremely magnetic. So much so that an individual is easily fooled into thinking copper is nonmagnetic, simply because the magnetic field will disappear so quickly when the current is turned off. Applicant [Joseph Newman] also vigorously teaches that the Energy in the field of force of any type magnet is the Energy which makes up the atoms of the material from which it comes. It is literally Einstein's Equation of E=mc^2. (See lines 19 thru 26 of page 29 of Applicant's specification.] It is obvious throughout Applicant's specification that he teaches and instructs in how to achieve a startling difference in kind rather than one of mere degree! And that his teachings are impressively reinforced by the extensive teachings of the Disclosure Document which is part of his patent application. The total proof, however, is easily seen in his demonstrations, in that they do EXACTLY as he teaches and instructs in his specification! Example: As described above in the generator and miniature motor demonstration given me. And then Applicant showed me the inner workings of his 700-pound motor coil 305 and 90-pound magnet 300 (which is covered and secured together with fiberglass) and its associated generator coil 306 of approximately 200 pounds. Then demonstrations were given as to its operability as follows: 1. Applicant [Joseph Newman] again pointed out to me his statement made in lines 4 thru line 15 of page 29 of his specification. On seeing this above prototype, I agreed it was indeed a "Rube Goldberg" built device, no precision. Both ends of the coil are open allowing magnet 300 to have weak magnetic interaction across the open ends of the coil 305, the magnet 300 is mounted in a 2 by 6 inch wood frame, the entire unit was built by hand in the backwoods of Mississippi, and looks as if it were. The magnet 300 looks massive as does motor coil 305 and the noticeable open space between magnet 300 and motor coil 305 adds to the inefficient-looking design. Compared to any other prior art, efficiently-designed motor of close tolerances and conventional sizes, the Newman motor looked as though it should be highly inefficient and that, because of a lack of precision in design, coupled with its massive size, you immediately feel this device should consume high wattage, just to run. So much so, that once can easily see why the Examiner, in his final rejection, chose to believe that the even larger embodiment would not run off such low-claimed amperage and voltage. 2. Applicant [Joseph Newman] then stated we will now see, if as Applicant stated in lines 11 thru 15 of page 29 of specification, will this "Rube Goldberg" built device give results superior to those taught in the prior art. Applicant [Joseph Newman] then displayed a very small precision (Distinctive Miniature) D.C. Permanent Magnet Motor built by Aristo-Craft claiming Lo-Drain and Hi-R.P.M. and HIGH OUTPUT; and designed to meet the needs of engineers, designers, hobbyists, and experimenters. Stock No. RE260 showing Nominal Voltage of 3 Volts and current draw of only 250 M.A. (with no load) and R.P.M. of 11,600 (with no load). Copy of the literature on their display box is attached as Exhibit A. Applicant [Joseph Newman] then states, "You will agree this precision designed (Distinctive Miniature) conventional motor should draw less amperage and wattage than this 'Rube Goldberg' built device you see here, and that there should be no way his device should run on LESS wattage and amperage than this Miniature Precision Conventional Motor AND perform noticeable more work." I eagerly agreed that should be true. Applicant [Joseph Newman] then hooked the precision miniature motor and his "Rube Goldberg"-looking device in series and hooked them both to one 6-volt D.C. battery. To my amazement, the miniature motor momentarily attempted to run and THEN STOPPED, while the large massive rotary of magnet 300 of Newman's "Rube-Goldberg"-built device ran and on the Simpson 260 meter showed only 30 MILLIAMPERES being drawn! Applicant pointed out that amounts to only .18 watts, less than 1/5 of one watt, while the precision miniature motor at 250 M.A. times 3 volts draws .75 watts or 3/4 of one watt, and yet the difference in torque is phenomenal! Applicant [Joseph Newman] then asked, "You will admit that these results are as I predicted and described and taught in the specification, relative to improvement over the prior art?" I stated a strong, "Yes!" The fact of the matter is, both experiments of 1 and 2 above proved the truth of the teachings of Applicant's [Joseph Newman's] specification. A. He demonstrated the energy released from a battery or generator is not used up in the work load as is taught in prior art, but to the contrary, the work load REDUCES the amount of needed input into a generator, when the circuit is completed. And also reduces the destruction of a battery. Amazing, but true, and in accordance with Applicant's teachings and instructions of his specification. B. He added MORE ATOMS to coil 305 and MORE ATOMS to magnet 300 and demonstrated amazing results, in that he uses LESS energy input and INCREASES energy output. Again, amazing, but true, and in accordance with Applicant's teachings and instructions in his specification. 3. Applicant [Joseph Newman] then went to a conventional, larger 12-volt precision D.C. permanent magnet motor, still a fractional horsepower, but 3 inches in diameter, made by Tenna Corporation, and which its literature states that Tenna was the leader in fractional horsepower motors and claims the permanent magnet motor to be designed for giving maximum service, dependability, and EFFICIENCY. Applicant was advised by several electrical engineers that said motor would be in the 80% efficiency range. (Applicant, on calling the Company, was advised it had gone out of business because of economic conditions.) Copy of Tenna's brochure is attached as Exhibit B. Said conventional precision motor draws 1.2 amps just to run, with no load times 12 volts equals over 14 watts and no load. Tests on said conventional precision 12-volt motor and compared to tests on Applicant's prototype that is exhibited here at the Hospitality House, is detailed in Dr. Hastings' Declaration of April 26, 1982 and is shown as Exhibit 4 in the Appeal Brief before the Board. Using a "V"-belt as a slip clutch over a 1.5 inch diameter pulley attached to shaft of said conventional precision 12-volt motor and attached to a spring scale, Applicant demonstrated to me the same type remarkable results as is described by Dr. Hastings in said Exhibit 4, when the "V"-belt slip clutch and spring scale were hooked to Applicant's prototype over a 1.5 inch diameter pulley. And contrary to the understandable conclusion drawn by the Examiner in lines 12 and 13 of page 8 of Examiner's Answer Before the Board, this remarkable result is not "rotor moment of inertia". The braking mechanism can be MAINTAINED and the results will be CONSTANT so long as the battery voltage is CONSTANT. Again, those results are remarkable in view of prior art teachings. However, in view of the teachings and instructions of Applicant's [Joseph Newman's] specification, they are predictable, as he has done so, and because the facts of operation are as he predicted, proof is given of the correctness of the teaching's of Applicant's specification. Also, as to the understandable conclusion question posed by the Examiner in the third paragraph of page 3 of the Examiner's Answer Before the Board, that there should be no complicated wave form from Applicant's Invention when viewing D.C. Input. There MOST DEFINITELY is a VERY unexpected wave form seen on a B & K Precision Oscilloscope, Model #1476 (copy of cover page of manual of said oscilloscope is attached as Exhibit C) when viewing the input current from a D.C. source into Applicant's invention. As the Examiner expected, there is not a complicated wave form on the oscilloscope when viewing the input from a D.C. source into said CONVENTIONAL precision 12-volt permanent magnet motor. It is appreciated that the Examiner would naturally attempt to judge Applicant's specification and stated results off his prior beliefs, as result of his prior teachings, but the facts consistently show that the doubts and assumptions made by the Examiner are NOT as he anticipated and that the statements made by Applicant [Joseph Newman] and other competent individuals are TRUE and FACTUAL. The facts show the statements made by Dr. Hastings in Exhibit 4 of the Appeal Brief are as stated. The difference in the performance of other conventional precision motors, which draw low wattage (15 watts or less) and Applicant's "Rube-Goldberg"-built motor as so extreme in favor of Applicant's Motor Invention as to be SHOCKING to those not skilled in the teachings of Applicant's specification. 4. Applicant [Joseph Newman] then went to a Black & Decker 1/5 horsepower, torque geared precision hand drill that ran at 1200 R.P.M. (with no load) and Applicant demonstrated that it drew 1.5 amps and 115 volts, or over 160 watts just to run, with no load. Applicant, then using same "V"-belt as a slip clutch and spring scale and hooked over a 1.5 inch diameter pulley attached to the shaft of said 1/5 horsepower precision drill, applied a constant 2-pound pull, the amperage draw went up 250 M.A. or wattage draw increased by 28.75 watts, and R.P.M. decreased to 1050 R.P.M., and produced in the vicinity of 18 watts, as calculated by Dr. Hastings. It is easily seen, the above shows a percentage of wattage output relative to increased energy input over NO LOAD ENERGY USE, of approximately 63%. However, the No Load Energy consumption was already more than 160 watts, which, when load of 18 watts was applied, the total wattage consumption on said precision 1/5 horsepower Black & Decker motor then rose to 178 watts. Applicant then stated, "Let's compare the results of this precision 1/5 horsepower Black & Decker, torque geared motor to my invention." Applicant proceeded to demonstrate that with same "V"-belt and spring scale slip clutch hooked to 1.5 inch diameter pulley attached to shaft of the "Rube Goldberg" prototype of his invention, the invention with same 2-pound pull rotated in the vicinity of 400 R.P.M. and only drew 100 MILLIAMPERES TIMES 81 VOLTS OR ONLY 8.1 WATTS on Simpson 260 meter and was under a load of torque brake of 6 watts, as calculated by Dr. Hastings and, in addition, was lighting a fluorescent light bulb hooked to generator coil 306, but not to full brightness, and which drew 28 watts when hooked to house current of 115 volts. This torque load of 6 watts plus the vicinity of 3 watts in fluorescent bulb, gives output of 9 watts, and added to this must be the energy loss dissipated in vibrating the entire 1000 pound system, which is easily felt by hand touch, and also the watts being dissipated away from the system, which is easily picked up by a transistor radio placed across the room. It should be noted the invention (with no load) was only pulling 60 M.A. and 81 Volts or 4.86 WATTS reading on Simpson 260 meter. Therefore, the invention only increased in wattage draw by 3.24 WATTS when under load of producing over 9 WATTS OF ENERGY OUTPUT! And the total wattage input EVEN UNDER LOAD is only 8 watts or less! Example: When input current is observed on said oscilloscope, it can be observed that the true input current into the Newman invention is even LESS than shown on the Simpson 260 meter; which attempts to take an AVERAGE reading, but which weighted mass of its pointer cannot possibly pick up high spikes of current back E.M.F. that occur at tremendous speeds. Example: Applicant [Joseph Newman] demonstrated that when the volts per centimeter of said oscilloscope were dialed to 20 volts per centimeter, and the input current then attempted to be read, the input current is so small that at 20 volts per centimeter, no input current can be seen. However, with sweep times set at 20 M.S. or higher, there is a high amount of thin spikes occurring, that go completely off the scale. This, Applicant points out, is the result of action and re-action effect of atoms within the copper coil and back E.M.F., and is also seen in oscillographs taken by Dr. Weber shown on page D of Exhibit 6 in the Appeal Brief before the Board. As attorney Pugh has already pointed out in his Reply Brief (bottom of page 5), "The originals previously filed in the record are clear and intelligible." It should be noted that the Newman Invention even under load in demonstration of 4 above, was STILL drawing LESS amperage than said precision miniature motor (which drew 250 M.A. with no load) in experiment of 2 above. And the Newman Invention was still drawing LESS wattage than said precision Tenna 12-volt permanent magnet D.C. motor in 3 above, which drew 14 watts with no load. In summation, it is easily established from the facts of actual observation of said working prototype of Applicant's Invention, that his invention works as he has instructed and taught in his specification of his Application. And that said prototype clearly matches the instructions of Applicant's specification and can be easily built from said instructions. And that said prototype has produced an energy output greater than the External Energy Input Into the system. That the amazing predictions Applicant [Joseph Newman] stated and taught would occur, when following the instructions and teachings of his specification, had indeed occurred and been astoundingly demonstrated in a "Rube Goldberg" prototype of Applicant's invention. That the statements made by Applicant and other competent individuals in Affidavit form are proven true by the facts of said demonstration of the smaller 1000-pound prototype demonstrated here. It is obvious from the facts presented, that the larger prototype with 600-pound atom Magnet Rotary 300 and 4200-pound atom Copper Coil 305 and 300-pound atom Generator Coil 305 will give even more amazing results and is the prototype that most of the Affidavits have been addressed to. The unit weighing in the vicinity of 5000 pounds was too large for Applicant to bring to the Washington, D.C. area. Even said one-half ton unit demonstrated has been a burden and high expense for Applicant to bring to this area. Continued --- Part B From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 16:41:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA14238; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:40:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:40:36 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:43:14 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Resent-Message-ID: <"yUe_Y.0.JU3.qlxPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Part B: DISTINGUISHED EXPERT ENDORSES JOSEPH NEWMAN'S PIONEERING WORK Part B: DISTINGUISHED EXPERT ENDORSES JOSEPH NEWMAN'S PIONEERING WORK FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (7/7/2000) PAUL GOMORY AFFIDAVIT, continued from Part A --- The questions and doubts and disbeliefs raised by the Examiner are understandable because of his prior teachings and experiences. However, his persistent negativism in spite of the facts, exemplifies that Applicant's invention is New and Novel. Not a change of mere degree, but a distinct change in kind. Applicant, himself, has objectively pointed out important facts and points of human nature which are pertinent to this very case in his Declaration shown in Exhibit 11 in the Appeal Brief before the Board. Applicant [Joseph Newman], understandably, is quite put out that his Affidavits have been refused effectiveness to remove a 112 rejection. As a result and the necessity of this Appeal, the costs to him in legal fees alone are greater than $20,000, as of this date. There is no basis to distinguish between such a set of Affidavits and those submitted under Rule 132. These are, at best, also prima facie or rebuttable presumptions in litigation. The Patent and Trademark Office or government does not guarantee the validity of the patent. The invalidity of the patent can be reckoned by the experts judging the file history of prosecution, etc. I suggest that the cost to Applicants to argue the usual 112 rejection is way out of line with the benefit to the Country. Let us put that time, energy, and money into more patent applications, more inventions, more research, etc. Our great, but ailing Country, will benefit. This Revolutionary Pioneering Invention of Applicant's [Joseph Newman] is a prime example. Let the experts in the art be the judge. Let us not deny them the chance to be such. Applicant [Joseph Newman] started work on this Invention more than seventeen years ago in March, 1965. The extensive teachings and disclosures of his Patent Application and its Disclosure Document are testament to his achievements. A life's work in itself. His work and teachings will be challenging even for the experts in the field, because of the newness and vastness of discussion, which covers overlapping scientific fields. Applicant [Joseph Newman] has proven to me through demonstration that his teachings and instructions of his specifications are true and factual and that he has most definitely met the requirements of 112. Applicant [Joseph Newman] has indeed produced and disclosed a Pioneering Invention which will undoubtedly be of great benefit to the world. We should do all we can to assist him in getting the broad patent protection of which he is surely deserving for his efforts of years of labor and genius. Applicant's [Joseph Newman's] proposed claim changes (Appendix I of Appeal Brief before the Board) should be allowed and the patent should issue at the earliest possible date because of its extreme importance and benefit to the people, and so that others in the field may immediately begin to build, or attempt to design and build on this invention, of which the entire world is in dire need. I hereby declare that all statements made herein of my own knowledge are true and that all statements made on information and belief are believed to be true; and further that these statements were made with the knowledge that willful false statements, and the like so made, are punishable by fine or imprisonment, or both, under Section 1001 of Title 18 of the United States Code, and that such willful false statements may jeopardize the validity of the Application or any patent issued thereon. [Sent by] PAUL L. GOMORY The above Affidavit was sent to Joseph Newman in 1982. Joseph Newman's then-attorney, Emmett Pugh chose not to submit the impressive Affidavit from Paul Gomory by giving the flimsy excuse that it was too long in light of all the many other Affidavits that had previously been submitted to the Patent Office. Attorney Emmett Pugh was later dismissed by Joseph Newman after Pugh was found to be participating in the conspiracy against Joseph Newman and humanity. See the A & E Network Special entitled "Conspiracies" for details regarding the conspiracy against the Pioneering Energy Invention technology of Joseph Newman. ______________________________________________________ I believe you will agree that the above Affidavit is impressive. The following one-page letter also verifies the scientific importance of the astronomical concepts that are disclosed in my Chapter on Astronomy [from my book, THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN] and underscores the increasingly destructive weather patterns now occurring throughout the world - all of which is endorsed by Dr. Robert Smith, Chief of Space and Environment, NASA, Huntsville, Alabama as presented in my fundamental book. December 18, 1999 Joseph Newman Publishing Company 11445 East Via Linda, No. 416 Scottsdale, AZ 85259 To Whom It May Concern; I was pleasantly surprised to find THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN available. I had the opportunity to skim over the 7th Edition, which was brought to my attention by a coworker about a year ago, and was immediately drawn to the section on electromagnetic energy and weather. I recognized the content as factual, with some uncommon and surprising aspects. I believe a major scientific upheaval is imminent, with far-reaching implications (an imperative for intellectual honesty in astronomy, for example, is long overdue), and my brief encounter with Mr. Newman's work substantiated that belief. Unfortunately, contact with the coworker was lost shortly thereafter, and I was unable to recall the title, let alone examine Mr. Newman's theories and applications in depth; that is, until now. I have enclosed a check in the amount of $79.95 to order THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN, 8th Edition. If possible, please confirm the order via email. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Steven R. Strickling P.S. You may find this interesting - "Beware when great God lets loose a thinker on this planet. It is as when a conflagration has broken out in a great city, and no man knows when it will end. There is not a piece of science but its flank may be turned tomorrow, there is not any literary reputation, not the so-called eternal names of fame, that may not be revised and condemned. The very hopes of man, the thoughts in his heart, the religion of nations, the manners and morals of mankind are all at the mercy of a new generalization." - Emerson __________________________________________________ People of the world - For nearly 20 years I have screamed repeatedly to you that the conspiracy against my Pioneering technology is actually against YOU the people! I could have sold you out to the power brokers for hundreds of millions of dollars. I did not. Will you the people now stand up with me to fight for a better life for your children and grandchildren? I have always seen the Light and may God give your mind the magnitude of the Truth of which I speak and the courage and vigor to join me in my life's service to your children and all humanity. Together, WE WILL WIN, BY THE WILL OF GOD! Love to all Humanity, [Signed] Joseph Westley Newman P.S. I am still looking for a brave and honest attorney! Remember the specific words of technical expert in electrical engineering and Special Master William Schuyler (former U.S. Commissioner of the Patent and Trademark Office) - Quote from his Report: "Evidence before the Patent and Trademark Office and this Court IS OVERWHELMING that Newman has built and tested a prototype of his invention in which the output energy exceeds the external input energy; there is NO contradictory factual evidence." Those words of the Special Master speak for themselves. ____________________________________ For complete text and Exhibits of above information, visit: URL: www.josephnewman.com or, specific webpage: http://www.josephnewman.com/test_results.html Joseph Newman (480) 657-3722 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 17:22:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28483; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:21:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:21:28 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Guy Negre AirCar pictures posted... - air-en~1.gif Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:20:44 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <396351FE.42050BD8@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <396351FE.42050BD8@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=_sahfmss6at96vqmcl3od9nhl0jgugkt3v6.MFSBCHJLHS" Resent-Message-ID: <"lLobd2.0.uy6.3MyPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----=_sahfmss6at96vqmcl3od9nhl0jgugkt3v6.MFSBCHJLHS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:19:26 = +0200: [snip] > >http://168.144.2.41/negre/ > >This technology is ready for the market NOW and a few German >companies are already going to produce it. >It was also featured lately in the German television and >Mexico has already ordered cars for reducing their pollution. 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I would like to know more. In summary from reading >below it sounds like you have no back emf. [snip] In every scenario I can think of, in order to achieve OU, the back EMF must be *greater* than the forward EMF (not zero). Back EMF is your friend. It is precisely because of the back EMF that the current through a real motor is much less than the short circuit current (which is what it would be if the back EMF were zero). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 18:10:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAB10548; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:09:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:09:17 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Dingle watercar motor... Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:08:40 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <39649B42.FBD6FFBA@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <39649B42.FBD6FFBA@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA10519 Resent-Message-ID: <"byZI72.0.fa2.z2zPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:44:18 +0200: [snip] >Maybe the explosion sets free additional >mechanical energy to the heat generated during the explosion >and also he is using hot and cold air in mixing it with >the H2 and O2 ! That additional energy could come from Hydrino formation, and given that each hydrino could be yielding up to 100 times more energy than a normal chemical reaction, one would only need to mix a small quantity of hydrogen (~1%) with a large amount of working gas (air) to do useful work. This would also explain why electrolysis can be the source of the hydrogen - i.e. very little is actually needed. > >Look again at the Negre aircar motor to compare them: >http://www.overunity.com/negre >http://www.overunity.com/watercar > The implication here is, I suspect, that heat energy is being extracted from the environment by an expanding gas. However it isn't clear to me yet exactly which gas would be expanding, and under what circumstances. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 18:27:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA14939; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:25:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:25:22 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01bfe944$0f1a6820$603dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> <396782B9.A6 E911E9@csrlink.net> <000901bfe919$e0861100$5a3dee3f@default> <396792B1.F34911DD@csrlink.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"qWuNk.0.Kf3.2IzPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Johnston" To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Hi, Michael; See below... > Or how about out of a crystal to intensify them (such as quartz)? Maybe even > granite since that is 90% quartz? ***** Hmmm. Why would a slightly diamagnetic material like SiO2 (quartz) amplify, collimate, or otherwise trap magnetic lines of force, like a ferromagnetic material would? Can you point out any experiments that demonstrate this? If anything, a pair of quartz cones would (at least by conventional observation's wisdom) simply attenuate the geomagnetic field strength a little, being slightly diamagnetic. hmmm > > Orient them along the earth's lines of force, > Like at 30 degrees longitude with the points oriented to the cardinal points of > the compass? ***** I was thinking in terms of the cone pair axis parallel to the geomagnetic lines of force. Since they are wide flat cones, their flat faces would be normal to the angle of magnetic inclination. > > > with the cones point to point > > ( the points would have small truncations, and be spaced apart by an air gap > > of some small desirable size) > > Or how about a chamber inside the crystal "cone" or pyramid shape? ***** I think I see what your idea is shaping up to be. However, I can't fathom nor can I say that I have ever seen a normal silicate or other rock or ceramic (apart from ceramic superconductors below Tc, or a ferrite) have any useful magnetic properties, or have the ability to affect incident magnetic flux, except for whatever exclusion would be normal for the weak diamagnetic character of the material. A Meisner effect motor using > > nothing but the geomagnetic field, appropriately directed, and a YBCO rotor > > in an LN bath. Course I could be missing a key point here, so comment > > please.... > > Key point: It's been done. Re: Egypt, pyramids, etc... ****** Hmmm. My opinion would be we are talking apples and oranges. What evidence do we have that the pyramids appreciably collimate magnetic flux lines? Particles of assorted species, perhaps. Maybe they were neutrino traps. I dunno. And I guess I haven't seen any findings to indicate the Egyptians had classical superconductors. However, I agree with you, that there are hints of some pretty amazing devices seen amongst inscriptions, paintings, and statuary. from ancient Egypt and the Middle East. SIncerely; NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 18:27:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA15794; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:26:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:26:15 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Caps secrets ? Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:25:37 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <20000707124426.63670.qmail@hotmail.com> <3965E573.AD1FB9BF@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <3965E573.AD1FB9BF@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA15762 Resent-Message-ID: <"s4wjn1.0.hs3.sIzPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:13:07 +0200: [snip] >So we might just think more about the PFT effect and in which >orientation of the fields the biggest forces could be produced >and also look for leakage dielectrica which >can handle the high voltage but also have leakage currents. [snip] Why not just include a real permanent magnet to provide a strong permanent magnetic field, rather than the weak field from leakage current? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 18:51:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA23419; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:51:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:51:05 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:50:27 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> <396782B9.A6 E911E9@csrlink.net> <000901bfe919$e0861100$5a3dee3f@default> In-Reply-To: <000901bfe919$e0861100$5a3dee3f@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA23379 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zf5xf2.0.qj5.8gzPv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Nick Reiter's message of Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:19:50 -0400: [snip] >2. At most points at the earth's surface, the earth's field is between .25 >and .45 gauss. Pretty weak, by machinery standards, but ever so vast in >size. Why not harvest these lines of force, and concentrate them? Build >two very broad, low cones (solid) out of iron or ferrite, or mu-metal. >Orient them along the earth's lines of force, with the cones point to point >( the points would have small truncations, and be spaced apart by an air gap >of some small desirable size) The lines of force over a broader area would >be concentrated to the small area between the truncated points. In this >magnetic gap, you should have a much higher flux density to work with. Use >it to move an armature, or to push along vanes made of YBCO superconductor >by Meisner effect. OOHH now thats an idea. A Meisner effect motor using >nothing but the geomagnetic field, appropriately directed, and a YBCO rotor >in an LN bath. Course I could be missing a key point here, so comment >please.... [snip] Peanut gallery response...Teathered satellites in principle make use of the Earth's field. Whether or not you first concentrate the field, the energy produced still appears to come from the mechanical energy of the conductor placed in that field, in which case, for ground based applications it would appear simpler to use a permanent magnet. (I tried concentrating the field with a pair of ferrite rods, in the hope of detecting a cyclotron frequency current in a coil placed in the field, with negative result). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 19:19:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA29460; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:18:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:18:29 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:17:52 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> <396782B9.A6 E911E9@csrlink.net> In-Reply-To: <396782B9.A6E911E9@csrlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA29421 Resent-Message-ID: <"EsQeV3.0.8C7.r3-Pv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Michael Johnston's message of Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:36:25 -0400: [snip] >What about power generated by induction using the >earth's fields as the power source/magnet though? How would the back emf be expressed >there? Your coil would not have to be right next to the "magnet" in this case but would >be within the field itself. What is "right next to"? The point is that whether the magnetic field is supplied by the Earth or by a permanent magnet, your coil still only interacts with the magnetic field. >In other words there would be no local "fixed" point from >which the back emf could originate and so would there be less opposition? See my other post on back EMF. >Or in >something like the levitating train, could you levitate the generator against the field >of the earth? Perhaps in theory, but the Earth's field is very weak. >Remember that the amount of current created in a generator depends solely >upon the number of coils in the generator,(and the rpm's at which you turn them) not the >strength of the field (although that does of course have some bearing on it because the >weaker the field the more turns you need to supply a given current). Your last statement contradicts your first. [snip] >Ok so draw a distinction between FE and OU. Ou means (to me) that you get more energy out >of something than what you put into it. I always made the same definition for FE but if >you want to look at it as strictly applying to zero point energy fine. I just used FE very loosely to refer to our "holy grail" ;). [snip] >Yes, because business would have a hard time making money if everyone had their own >little generator wouldn't they? >MJ [snip] It's a little more than that. This source of energy is only of importance during sunspot maxima (every 11 years or so), and even then it isn't exactly very predictable either in time or in magnitude. So in the grand scheme of things, that makes it a pretty useless source of energy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 8 22:34:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA06207; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:33:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:33:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.20000708223518.2507eee2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:35:18 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: feeding the drama - question about list archive In-Reply-To: References: <006201bfe69b$3592dd80$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> <20000704003029.23573.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> <006201bfe69b$3592dd80$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"69NPe2.0.uW1.kw0Qv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Robin, Sam and all, At 10:24 AM 07/09/00 +1000, you wrote: >In reply to Sam Garza's message of Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:08:07 -0400: > >>This is awesome Harvey. I would like to know more. In summary from reading >>below it sounds like you have no back emf. >[snip] >In every scenario I can think of, in order to achieve OU, the back EMF must >be *greater* than the forward EMF (not zero). Back EMF is your friend. It is >precisely because of the back EMF that the current through a real motor is >much less than the short circuit current (which is what it would be if the >back EMF were zero). Yes, well said. This is also true in a slightly different way in a transformer. Here, if there is no back flux (I am explicitly using back flux here instead of back emf) back to the primary, the primary acts as it is unloaded, and any secondary current will produce a flux to cancel itself, that is, the secondary acts more like an isolated inductor. This scheme to produce OU results in ~zero secondary power. If the emf generated by the machine is greater than the external "foward" emf, then the machine is operating as a generator. The question then is what to do with the back flux and "back torque". -Dave D. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 02:16:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA05507; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:15:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:15:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 05:15:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200007090915.FAA19020@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Hxl1p2.0.mL1.zA4Qv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Telsa's Birthday Ahoy! Today is the birthday of Nikola Tesla, and I just happened to run across this page of collected bio's while researching something else. The entire site is pretty interesting actually, but for those who don't know much about Tesla's life, there is quite a lot here in a small space. http://www.cinemedia.com.au/SFCV-RMIT-Annex/rnaughton/TESLA_BIO.html The URL is longer than my page set-up, so you may have to copy and paste it in two parts. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 06:24:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA02946; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:23:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <39687DE8.CAAD2ECB@csrlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:28:08 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) References: <39592837.70221631@csrlink.net> <395BE70A.5F5912ED@csrlink.net> <39616685.C42F960E@csrlink.net> <1b7dmssast7se81pdcghdf9vtrqm02ladp@4ax.com> <396782B9.A6 E911E9@csrlink.net> <000901bfe919$e0861100$5a3dee3f@default> <396792B1.F34911DD@csrlink.net> <002e01bfe944$0f1a6820$603dee3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SXqSy1.0.xj.Lp7Qv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Nick, Ok, so it was slightly humorous in intent. I just took what you seemed to be describing to another level that's all. More below... Nick Reiter wrote: > Hi, Michael; > > See below... > > ***** Hmmm. Why would a slightly diamagnetic material like SiO2 (quartz) > amplify, collimate, or otherwise trap magnetic lines of force, like a > ferromagnetic material would? It is my understanding that many crystals are somewhat paramagnetic. > Can you point out any experiments that > demonstrate this? How about a crystal radio (crystal amplifies radio signal from antenna coil)? Crystals in microphones(ok this takes advantage of piezoelectric properties)? > If anything, a pair of quartz cones would (at least by > conventional observation's wisdom) simply attenuate the geomagnetic field > strength a little, being slightly diamagnetic. hmmm Paramagnetic. But 500,000 tons of crystal might have an interesting cumulative effect. > > ****** Hmmm. My opinion would be we are talking apples and oranges. More than likely. Just an interesting little thought. > What > evidence do we have that the pyramids appreciably collimate magnetic flux > lines? I don't know. I think that someone researched it before but I am not familiar with the results. One easy solution would be to go to Egypt and stand inside the pyramid with a sensitive gauss meter and compare whatever readings you get with those immediately outside it. Might be fun. > Particles of assorted species, perhaps. Maybe they were neutrino > traps. I dunno. > And I guess I haven't seen any findings to indicate the Egyptians had > classical superconductors. Me either. > However, I agree with you, that there are hints > of some pretty amazing devices seen amongst inscriptions, paintings, and > statuary. from ancient Egypt and the Middle East. One really interesting one is the Baghdad Battery. Archeologists theorize that they used it to electroplate metals. Think about that for a moment... How much chemistry, molecular theory, and electrical knowledge did we have before we could do that? I don't think you can conceptualize a battery before you understand electricity or build an electrolysis cell without understanding chemistry. Perhaps "dumb evolution" could account for some isolated devices but that is really stretching it in that case. Of course I don't know of any evidence that any of the gold objects in museums are actually plated either. MJ > > > SIncerely; > > NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 07:06:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA10263; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:05:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:05:53 -0700 Message-ID: <39688786.BFB4926@prairienet.org> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:09:10 -0500 From: Zack Widup X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Tesla's Birthday References: <200007090915.FAA19020@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PqIp2.0.CW2.0R8Qv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Michael T Huffman wrote: > > Ahoy! > > Today is the birthday of Nikola Tesla, and I just happened to run across > this page of collected bio's while researching something else. The entire > site is pretty interesting actually, but for those who don't know much about > Tesla's life, there is quite a lot here in a small space. > > http://www.cinemedia.com.au/SFCV-RMIT-Annex/rnaughton/TESLA_BIO.html > Fascinating web page there! I had never heard about Tesla's dynamic theory of gravity before. Does anyone know where I might find more info on this? Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 07:20:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA15596; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:19:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:19:42 -0700 Message-ID: <39688ABE.19A50353@csrlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:22:54 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael S. Johnston" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_1STR.0.Wp3.-d8Qv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: test=delete sorry, my email is not posting to my own listbot list and i am trying to see if it is posting anywhere. mj From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 09:31:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA12931; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:30:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:30:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:30:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup X-Sender: w9sz@bluestem To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) In-Reply-To: <39687DE8.CAAD2ECB@csrlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"r8KD52.0.u93.ZYAQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Michael Johnston wrote: > Hi Nick, > Ok, so it was slightly humorous in intent. I just took what you seemed to be > describing to another level that's all. > More below... > > Nick Reiter wrote: > > > Hi, Michael; > > > > See below... > > > > ***** Hmmm. Why would a slightly diamagnetic material like SiO2 (quartz) > > amplify, collimate, or otherwise trap magnetic lines of force, like a > > ferromagnetic material would? > > It is my understanding that many crystals are somewhat paramagnetic. > > > Can you point out any experiments that > > demonstrate this? > > How about a crystal radio (crystal amplifies radio signal from antenna coil)? > Crystals in microphones(ok this takes advantage of piezoelectric properties)? > Both of these respond to voltages. The crystal radio is a point-contact diode which rectifies the voltage induced across a tuned circuit. Piezoelectric crystals flex in response to an applied electric field produced by a voltage difference (or vice-versa - an applied force produces a voltage). Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 09:36:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA15231; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:35:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002701bfe9c3$6be7a160$80d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Tesla's Birthday Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:31:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PK3KP3.0.qj3._cAQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am proud to say I know much of Tesla's life. But I don't know hardly anything about the "shadier" parts, like his involvement in the Philledelphia Experiment. Where can I find information on things like that? -----Original Message----- From: Zack Widup To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Tesla's Birthday > > >Michael T Huffman wrote: >> >> Ahoy! >> >> Today is the birthday of Nikola Tesla, and I just happened to run across >> this page of collected bio's while researching something else. The entire >> site is pretty interesting actually, but for those who don't know much about >> Tesla's life, there is quite a lot here in a small space. >> >> http://www.cinemedia.com.au/SFCV-RMIT-Annex/rnaughton/TESLA_BIO.html >> > >Fascinating web page there! > >I had never heard about Tesla's dynamic theory of gravity before. Does >anyone know where I might find more info on this? > >Zack > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 12:53:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA30620; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:52:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:52:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001701bfe9de$c0602080$1f3dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:48:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5cyOk.0.JU7.JWDQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com See below: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Widup" To: Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Answer to my picture question..............;-) > > How about a crystal radio (crystal amplifies radio signal from antenna coil)? > > Crystals in microphones(ok this takes advantage of piezoelectric properties)? > > > > Both of these respond to voltages. The crystal radio is a point-contact > diode which rectifies the voltage induced across a tuned circuit. > Piezoelectric crystals flex in response to an applied electric field > produced by a voltage difference (or vice-versa - an applied force > produces a voltage). ***** Very true. But I think they depart from the original intention of a ferromagnetic flux concentrator for the geomagnetic field. I suspect that if one could show that the sandstone / limestone / quartzite / ? building materials were appreciably paramagnetic, then the pyramids might have been used as a flux gate or concentrator. However, I think most of these materials are slightly diamagnetic. I know quartz and glass are. NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 9 16:30:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20059; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:30:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:30:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Uban Message-Id: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: reit@ezworks.net Resent-Message-ID: <"Q7xAI2.0.Gv4.ViGQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: re: measuring 'scalar fields' >Nick Reiter wrote: >****** ... Herein lies the rub. For as many papers and >theoretical discussions that have flown to the far corners of the earth >about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great ire here ) has developed >an absolutely sure way to detect these, because no-one can completely agree >on what they are! Hi Nick, Have you looked at Bob Shannon's 'scalar detector' on Bill Beaty's web page? I'm not talking about the gradiometer now. Bob told me this detector would get signals even in a tight faraday cage behind thick metal walls. He also includes a transmitter for same. And I agree there is no real definition for these supposed fields yet. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 04:14:51 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA04708; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:05:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:05:06 -0700 Message-ID: <9217273.963227097152.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoffrey Tilga To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 38.26.84.236 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pt5eK2.0.G91.VtQQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Patent It Yourself-US Design Patent There are two basic types of US Patents-inventions-those covering new and improved devices-and Design patents-patents that cover a unique physical design of an object-like a piece of jewellery or the hubcaps of Detroit's newest monstrosities... Does anyone in the group know of a 'Patent It Yourself' book on how to fill in the paperwork with USPTO for and obtain a design patent without having to resort to an expensive lawyer? I have a book from the last decade called "Patent It Yourself" written by a patent attorney, but this covers only the more traditional technical invention type of patent, and not a "design patent". From what I have seen of these patents in the Official Gazette-they are principally Front&Side Views of a design and minimal legalese-I would assume that the paperwork for obtaining these is much simpler, since there are only minimal legalese describing the pictures/patent drawings and no technical innovations involved-the design patent gives legal protection only to the shape or form of the object. Could anyone in the group be of help? If you do not know specifically about such a book, could you re direct me to a place on the Net where I might find out. Unfortunately my ISP does not allow me to access newsgroups. G.W. Tilga catusfelis@excite.com 7/10/2000 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 14:23:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04100; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:22:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: <396A3EB7.51ABD104@info2000.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:23:04 -0600 From: Ted Reply-To: tsleber@info2000.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST References: <00ff01bfe7cc$e4490ac0$3bd4ddd1@x2001> <015e01bfe82e$a55ae380$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dqfnv2.0.z_.hwZQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sam, A bubbler works well in this application but I've always been leary of glass containers for automotive apps. There's plenty of metal or plastic containers that make good bubblers. Ted From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 14:42:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA12304; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:41:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:41:39 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:47:02 -1000 Subject: Re: [FG]: Patent It Yourself-US Design Patent From: Alex Karahalios To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9217273.963227097152.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4JX1Q3.0.403.ICaQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com on 7/10/00 1:04 AM, Geoffrey Tilga at catusfelis@excite.com wrote: > Could anyone in the group be of help? If you do not know specifically about > such a book, could you re direct me to a place on the Net where I might find > out. > Go to the US Patent and Trademark office home page at http://www.uspto.gov/ They have all the forms and instructions. Alex Karahalios From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 17:27:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13587; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:26:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <396A53D9.8363D3EE@harti.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:53:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Robin van Spaandonk Subject: Re: [FG]: Dingle watercar motor... References: <39649B42.FBD6FFBA@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nhI3p2.0.3K3.uccQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com How do you create Hydrinos ?? Is there any easy trick ? Robin van Spaandonk schrieb: > > In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:44:18 +0200: > [snip] > >Maybe the explosion sets free additional > >mechanical energy to the heat generated during the explosion > >and also he is using hot and cold air in mixing it with > >the H2 and O2 ! > > That additional energy could come from Hydrino formation, and given that > each hydrino could be yielding up to 100 times more energy than a normal > chemical reaction, one would only need to mix a small quantity of hydrogen > (~1%) with a large amount of working gas (air) to do useful work. > This would also explain why electrolysis can be the source of the hydrogen - > i.e. very little is actually needed. > > > > >Look again at the Negre aircar motor to compare them: > >http://www.overunity.com/negre > >http://www.overunity.com/watercar > > > The implication here is, I suspect, that heat energy is being extracted from > the environment by an expanding gas. However it isn't clear to me yet > exactly which gas would be expanding, and under what circumstances. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do > to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 17:27:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13596; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:26:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:26:32 -0700 Message-ID: <396A597D.EAFFB0FA@harti.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:17:17 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PQqqi1.0.2K3.uccQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! Jim Uban schrieb: > > >Nick Reiter wrote: > >****** ... Herein lies the rub. For as many papers and > >theoretical discussions that have flown to the far corners of the earth > >about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great ire here ) has developed > >an absolutely sure way to detect these, because no-one can completely agree > >on what they are! > > Hi Nick, > Have you looked at Bob Shannon's 'scalar detector' > on Bill Beaty's web page? I'm not talking about the gradiometer > now. Bob told me this detector would get signals even in > a tight faraday cage behind thick metal walls. He also > includes a transmitter for same. > And I agree there is no real definition for these > supposed fields yet. > Jim Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in Berlin, Germany, how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit through a faraday cage and it did work ! It is all based on the work of Tesla, but Prof. Meyl has also worked out the theory and can explain it with wave equatations. The basic transmitter and receiver is pretty simple, it consists of a sine wave generator running in the 6 Mhz range and a special LC component antenna, where a "tesla ball sphere" is transmitting this sine electrostatic "pressure" wave field. The air is the dielectricum. Now the receiver is the same LC circuit also with a ball sphere as the electrostatic capacitor plate receiver. The other pole is the ground line. Instead of using the ground he used a single wire. At the receiver output transformer (aircore coil tranformer) he puts 2 LEDs in antiparallel and if the 2 LC circuits are tuned for resonance (transmiter and receiver LC circuits) there is 10x times the output power at the receiver LEDS, than at the transmitter LEDs. ! This was confirmed by measurements at the Technical University of Clausthal, Germany. Prof. Meyl claims this is due to the receiver also collecting "free neutrinos" or also using the background noise and rectifying this also in his circuit. It is pretty simular to what already Mr. Dollard in the USA has done. (See Naudinīs website on longitudional waves for reference !) I believe after this excellent speech by Prof. Meyl, I have now understood how one can practically use scalar waves for long range communication purposes. It really opens a whole new door in communication industries ! No more MegaWatts Transmitters needed for any broadcast ! Just stick your handy antenna into the ground and receive calls from milliwatts transmitters around the world ! Have a look here: http://www.k-meyl.de -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 17:27:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13636; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:26:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:26:41 -0700 Message-ID: <396A5383.8B686EA0@harti.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:51:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Robin van Spaandonk Subject: Re: [FG]: Guy Negre AirCar pictures posted... - air-en~1.gif References: <396351FE.42050BD8@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SmcWI3.0.zK3.0dcQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yes, about 200 Kilometers range has this car with one filling of the air gas bottles. It can be easily refilled with a homedriven 220 Volts AC air compressor. One fill is to be said will cost just 1.50 US$ in electricity for the enduser. Robin van Spaandonk schrieb: > > In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:19:26 +0200: > [snip] > > > >http://168.144.2.41/negre/ > > > >This technology is ready for the market NOW and a few German > >companies are already going to produce it. > >It was also featured lately in the German television and > >Mexico has already ordered cars for reducing their pollution. > [snip] > I have attached a small gif file that I used to calculate the range of the > vehicle, based on an isothermal process (i.e. during expansion of the > compressed air, heat energy is absorbed from the surroundings). It is this > last factor of ~5.7 which yields the stated range, and IMO is also the most > uncertain. Other assumptions made are obvious from the formula. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do > to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: air-en~1.gif > air-en~1.gif Type: GIF Image (image/gif) > Encoding: base64 -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 18:21:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA04353; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:20:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:20:56 -0700 Message-ID: <396A7545.3F71376A@harti.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:15:49 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <39612E15.8965027C@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-dxxo.0.M31.tPdQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Report on the conference on free energy technology in Berlin 8th of July > > Berliner Tagung zu neuen Energietechnologien > Freie Energie, Raumenergie, Zweiter Hauptsatz der Thermodynamik > > Samstag, 8. Juli 2000 > UFA-Fabrik, Berlin-Tempelhof > > Programm: > > 10.00 Uhr Begrüßung > Andreas Manthey (Veranstalter), Achmed Khammas (ID22) > > Themenschwerpunkt: Praktische Ansätze > 10.15 Uhr Die Zukunft der "Raum-Energie-Technik" > Konferenzergebnisse und Berichte zur internationalen Forschung > Prof. Dr.Dr.Dr.h.c. Josef Gruber, FernUniversität Hagen/Deutschland, > Präsident der Deutschen Vereinigung für Raum-Energie e.V. (DVR) > > 11.15 Uhr Synergetisches Modell für einen freien Energiemarkt > Optimale Nutzung von Energieressourcen am Beispiel der > "Messiasmaschine" > A. Khammas, Organisator ID22, Berlin I did not see these upper lectures, cause I was a bit late this day and I also was more interested in the other more technical lectures. > > 12.15 Uhr Prof. Konstantin Meyl: >Neutrino power with Scalar Waves > Now this was the most interesting lecture of the day in my eyes: Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in Berlin, Germany, how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit through a faraday cage and it did work ! It is all based on the work of Tesla, but Prof. Meyl has also worked out the theory and can explain it with wave equatations. The basic transmitter and receiver is pretty simple, it consists of a sine wave generator running in the 6 Mhz range and a special LC component antenna, where a "tesla ball sphere" is transmitting this sine electrostatic "pressure" wave field. The air is the dielectricum. Now the receiver is the same LC circuit also with a ball sphere as the electrostatic capacitor plate receiver. The other pole is the ground line. Instead of using the ground he used a single wire. At the receiver output transformer (aircore coil tranformer) he puts 2 LEDs in antiparallel and if the 2 LC circuits are tuned for resonance (transmiter and receiver LC circuits) there is 10x times the output power at the receiver LEDS, than at the transmitter LEDs. ! This was confirmed by measurements at the Technical University of Clausthal, Germany. Prof. Meyl claims this is due to the receiver also collecting "free neutrinos" or also using the background noise and rectifying this also in his circuit. It is pretty simular to what already Mr. Dollard in the USA has done. (See Naudinīs website on longitudional waves for reference !) I believe after this excellent speech by Prof. Meyl, I have now understood how one can practically use scalar waves for long range communication purposes. It really opens a whole new door in communication industries ! No more MegaWatts Transmitters needed for any broadcast ! Just stick your handy antenna into the ground and receive calls from milliwatts transmitters around the world ! Have a look here: http://www.k-meyl.de > Themenschwerpunkt: Theoretischer Hintergrund > 13.30 Uhr Der Schlüssel zur Freien Energie > Technologien zur Auskoppelung nutzbarer Energie aus dem Quantenfeld > Dr.Dr. habil. Otto Oesterle, Dipl.-Ing., Berlin Prof Oesterle is well known in the German speaking free energy world. He has written a book on using vortices for free energy generation and also lectured from his book. He also can explain, why the earth has grown in its diameter with it and why the continents have drifted etc... pretty interesting theories. > > 14.15 Uhr Overunity aus der Sicht der Theoretischen Physik > Evaluierungen von O/U-Behauptungen, Grundlagen und konkrete Beispiele > Wolf-Dieter Bauer, Dipl.-Phys., Berlin Dipl.-Phys. Dieter Bauer has lectured a very interesting compilation of free energyy and overunity systems in NON-uniform fields, where he compared all the systems in electric. magnetic and gravity fields, where Overunity could be got due to interaction with non-uniform fields and the implications for moving masses, electrons or magnets along those fields which lead to positive clockwise workareas in energy diagrams.(ou-output) Very good and basic theory to describe and compare ou-systems. Read more on: http://www.overunity.com/theory.htm > > 15.00 Uhr Kaffeepause > > Themenschwerpunkt: Freie Nutzung der Umgebungsenergie > 15.45 Uhr Gültigkeitsgrenzen für den zweiten Hauptsatz der > Thermodynamik > Alternative Wege zur Transformation von Umgebungswärme in andere > Energieformen > Kai Schaeffer, Dipl.-Phys., Berlin Dipl.-Phys. Kai Schaeffer, the son of Bernhard Schaeffer showed how the second law could be violated by using a 2 phase gas mixture as a working gas medium in a thermodynamic engine and their positive measurement results. The only difficulties they still have is to sucessfully repeat the measurements. The problem is in the gas mixture or some parameters with it. They find it hard to reproduce the same measuremnet results with new gas fillings of the cylinder. With one measurement set they already have disproven Carnotīs equatation. The have already put about 1 Million Deutschmarks in the last 20 years into their research on thermodynamic cycles which defy the second law and have a pretty good knowledge about it, how to achieve it now. Their company website: http://www.schaeffer-apparatebau.de > > 16.45 Uhr Wirbelphänomene in Natur und Technik > Praktische Beispiele für selbststabilisierende Systeme und ihr Bezug zu > Äthertheorien > Bernhard Schaeffer, Werkstatt für Dezentrale Energieforschung, Berlin > Bernhard Schaeffer, longtime leader of the workshop for decentral energy research in Berlin, showed a very realistic example, how vortices use the "negative viscosity"(cooling down the air to generate mechanical power) to propell a vortex acrosss the conference room. He pushed hard onto his smoke vortex generator barrel drum and a smoke vortex went across the conference room and after 25 meters of travel had the energy to put out a candle light. This was a very eyes opening demonstration ! He said, even after 50 or more meters in the right temperature still air environment this vortex even gets more mechanical power ! When you calculate with the viscosity of air it is clear, that the vortex must have already become to a still stand after a few meters, but it does not, cause it clearly violated the second "law" of thermodynamic by colling down the air to generate mechanical energy (motion). He told the audience, this is, how hurricanes and tornados and windhoses are getting their energy. They cool down the surrounding air to extract mechanical and kinetic energy which propells these devastating wind storms ! He then also showed a Ranque-Hilsch pipe, where he blowed high pressurized air into this special vortex pipe and then showed with thermometers the temperature difference. Then he calculated, that these extreme temperatures are already out of the Carnotīs equatation range. > 18.00 Uhr Pause > > 18.30 Uhr Podiumsdiskussion zu neuen Energietechnologien The last discussion was also pretty interesting , cause there was a consens, that the breakthrough in free energy systems is pretty near and it was voted for more information also into the politics side of this technolgy to push the technology doors open also in conventional physics and university labs to be researched more openly. It was requested to form a German clearing institute for free energy research and use this as a central institute for knowledge and information exchange and also for research grants to give to independant inventors or research groups and to which also the media can rely on with test results. Also on display was Olaf Berens "James-German-Generator", some sort of magnetic flux switch generator. He could show the effect, that when he shorted out his output coil, the rotor gained speed and he had an incremental OU effect. If this was due to better impedance matching we will see in the future, when he will build a better and bigger unit with less hysteresis losses in his iron cores. All in all it was a very intersting conference and I was glad to have attended it. > > 19.30 Uhr Schlußwort > > Veranstaltungort: Tagungsgebühren: > UFA-Fabrik Berlin e.V. Teilnahmegebühr incl. Kongreßunterlagen DM 95,- > Viktoriastraße 10-18, 12105 Berlin Ermäßigt mit Nachweis DM 70,- > > Veranstalter/Anmeldung: > Andreas Manthey, Bleibtreustraße 4, D-10623 Berlin > Tel.: 030 / 312 31 19 Fax: 030 / 312 66 92 > email: andreas.manthey@berlin.de > > J. Gruber > 03.07.00 > > Berliner Erklärung zur "Freien Energy" > > Die unterzeichnenden Wissenschaftler erklären: > Über die Solar-, Wind- und Wasserkraft hinaus gibt es in der Natur eine > erneuerbare Energiequelle, die bisher noch wenig erforscht ist und > technisch i.d.R. noch nicht in größerem Umfang genutzt werden kann. > Diese regenerative Energie wird mit Begriffen wie z.B. Raumenergie, > Vakuumfeldenergie, Quantenenergie oder Freie Energie beschrieben. Sie > wird auch mit Kalter Fusion und Sonolumineszenz in Verbindung gebracht. > Immer mehr Wissenschaftler widmen sich diesem Forschungsgebiet. Es gibt > neuere physikalische Theorien (auch in anerkannten Physikzeitschriften > veröffentlicht), die die Existenz und die prinzipielle Nutzbarkeit > dieser Energiequelle begründen. Es gibt experimentell nachweisbare und > reproduzierbare Effekte, die sich mit den herkömmlichen Theorien nicht > erklären lassen. > Hier besteht akuter Bedarf für wissenschaftliche Forschung und > ingenieurmäßige Entwicklung. Es gilt, auch in Deutschland den Anschluß > an die internationale Entwicklung zu fördern. > Die unterzeichnenden Wissenschaftler fordern daher die rasche > Einrichtung eines staatlich finanzierten Instituts für > Raumenergie-Technik (RET), das vor allem als Clearingstelle für > Information zu diesem Thema arbeitet. > > -- -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 21:30:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA11310; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000711042959.19500.qmail@web4404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: re: measuring 'scalar fields' To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"UcnWO3.0.dm2.CBgQv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Jim Uban wrote: > >Nick Reiter wrote: > >****** ... Herein lies the rub. For as many > papers and > >theoretical discussions that have flown to the far > corners of the earth > >about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great > ire here ) has developed > >an absolutely sure way to detect these, because > no-one can completely agree > >on what they are! > > Hi Nick, > Have you looked at Bob Shannon's 'scalar detector' > on Bill Beaty's web page? I'm not talking about the > gradiometer > now. Bob told me this detector would get signals > even in > a tight faraday cage behind thick metal walls. He > also > includes a transmitter for same. > And I agree there is no real definition for these > supposed fields yet. > Jim Cant hardly resist making a comment so here's how I understand things. The first approach, which is to merely create magnetic fields in opposition, may produce none of the effects. If one takes two large coils and series resonate them at 60 hz, placing those coils together at each coils pole so that identical polarity fields occur in space, what occurs is that the volume of field is shoved outwards on the open ends of the coils, nothing remarkable. For those not in the know concerning electrical resonance, a series resonance is needed for the maximum allowable magnetic field to be created on an alternating current basis. Placing two coils together in magnetic opposition actually decreases the inductive reactance of the total system. The component of inductive reactance is the resistive effect of AC experienced by an inductor. The ratio of the inductive reactance divided by the coils resistance is termed Q, and the voltage will rise Q fold past the source input within a series resonant circuit in order to overcome that additional resistance expressed as inductive reactance. This is necessary to allow conduction close to the ohms law value given by the coils resistance. An intrinsic unobvious voltage exists as two voltages or potentials in opposition within the series resonant circuit. The instantaneous differences in time between these opposing voltages is then shown as the input voltage. A voltage rise across L is accompanied by a opposite voltage rise across C. It is how this unobvious potential can be exploited, without depleting the resonance, is what becomes important. Returning to the scenario of opposing fields, one should find oneself asking; is there another way to do it? What has been done is to merely place two coils in space in magnetic opposition, where it was assumed that each LC series resonant quantity was constructed identically. The other way to construct this scenario is to simply take the same two coils, put them in magnetic agreement, and reverse the connections on one of the series resonances. What we have done here is to create the 180 phasing by virtue of its source input. Thus simply putting two coils in magnetic opposition may not satisfy this important requirement. In fact the next refinement I was to make was to again turn the coils around so they were now in magnetic agreement. It is then that the casual observer may ask: if the fields are in magnetic agreement now by this double negative, where does the 180 aspect come in? Well that is kind of a deep subject since the 180 field aspect can show itself in a number of ways and the effects can be made magnetically, or electrically or both. This all stems from the reaction potential created in two opposite polarities as unobvious potentials, simultaneously in time. Because each series resonance is 180 PHASED AS A SOURCE INPUT, each will have opposite unobvious potentials at their midpoints, thus the midpoints can be reacted with in a variety of forms, the simplest of which is a single arc gap. What happens is that if each 180 series resonant midpoint is allowed to come in close proximity, the compressed charge will form an arc that connects that potential to the other unobvious potential simultaneously containing the opposite positive effects of a vaccuum of charge. In order to create the best oscillations these midpoint connections can be made to long metal bars positioned with a small air gap between them. Once the arcing is made by resonant rise of voltage of each series resonant rise of voltage in opposite directions, it will also immediately extinguish or quench itself by virtue of the new circuit condition created by that arc. That new circuit condition can be found by shorting the arc gap and inspecting the new circuit, where it is then found to be in a condition of parallel resonance, and not series resonance. Thus the arc gap serves to create AN OSCILLATION BETWEEN SERIES AND PARALLEL RESONANCE. As I have stated previously; It is how this unobvious potential can be exploited, without depleting the resonance, that becomes important. The magnetic fields each of these resonant processes produce are in opposite directions in time; THAT IS THE PARAMETER FOR PRODUCING 180 FORMS IN THAT METHOD. This can be seen in the very definitions of series and parallel resonance; the series resonance has its amperage in phase with the impressed voltage where the magnetic field appears to act inertialess because of the cancellation of reactances. In parallel resonance the impressed amperage in the circuit is opposite or 180 out of phase with the impressed voltage. Therefore by definition and observation of circuit conditions this 180 phasing mechanism can be attempted to be fathomed in principle. What a single arc gap does is to create a field reversal every time an arc occurs at the midpoints, usually 120 times a second at 60 hz input. The problems that come in further observations of this effect is that when we try to observe the higher frequency being created during the arc, each different inductor used to make that measurement gives a different answer. In other applications electric field effects can show this same kind of 180 phasing, seemingly more continuous in time, by merely replacing the single arc gap idea to that of a double, having 4 arc bars and allowing only a single midpoint side to be enabled into oscillation as a polar capacity connected to that inner arc bar. Now what becomes interesting is that if one polar capacity is being arced to as in http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/triple.html and another plate where no midpoint arcing occurs is monitored; the high freq on the affected plate also occurs on the un-arced to unaffected plate. Of course that disturbance on one coil is also magnetically coupled in mutual inductance by the unaffected coil, thus an instantaneous reaction is first observed and then possibly the second which occurs occurs as the voltage pulse actually traveling down the 9 mile lengths of the wire on both coils. In any event a high frequency event is made to reach its destination far exceeding that what a light speed propagation through the actual wire would deliver. There is a whole other aspect of how water and the body responds to these fields that should also be noted, but this can be another post. Sincerely HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 10 23:59:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA30898; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:58:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:58:16 -0700 Message-ID: <396AC376.D42EEF06@astra.ukf.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:49:26 +0100 From: Gavin Dingley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! References: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> <396A597D.EAFFB0FA@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EJIJH3.0.gY7.6MiQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Her Schrieb, this system sounds allot like a basic tesla coil set-up; one tesla coil to transmit, the other to receive. I have built a similar set-up, but have transmitted 100 Watts, giving a powerful electrical discharge on the receiving coil. This is no more than Tesla's basic transmission of intelligence patent. Tesla stated that the transmission was via the earth connection, the isotropic capacity only acting as an energy store (isotropic capacity with coil form LC tuned circuit). In this explanation from the German scientist it sounds as though the energy transfer is via the electrostatic field generated by this isotropic capacity; is this the scalar field. Tesla said that the longitudinal waves were in fact the conduction currents through the earth, as an ac current would appear like an "electrical sound wave." >From Bearden's work I am under the impression that scalar waves are the two fields generated around an antenna that interact and form hertzian EM waves. The boundary between the near field and radiated energy is where this interaction takes place. The near field is where the scalar energy is. A tesla coil has a very poor radiation resistance, so only a near or sclera field is generated around it. In antenna theory the hertzian em waves are a product of the antenna's radiation resistance, while the near (or scalar field) is the product of the antenna's reactive components. In a tesla coil the reactive component is left open (the isotropic capacity) and so scalar waves are emitted. Reactive power is not real power, so it tends to be ignored; yet a capacitor will draw a huge current but not get hot, where is the power going to, this is scalar energy. On closer inspection one finds that the current flowing through a capacitor is not electron flow but instead displacement current, the rotation of electrical dipoles. Also the current and voltage are out of phase, this is scalar energy. So I guess this is what the German scientist has said? Is his paper available, in English yet? Anyway, it's good to see that Europe is now making some real efforts in alt.science, not surprising the Germans have taken the lead.......again, well done, hope the U.K. will eventually catch-up. Regards, Gavin the limy lurker Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Jim Uban schrieb: > > > > >Nick Reiter wrote: > > >****** ... Herein lies the rub. For as many papers and > > >theoretical discussions that have flown to the far corners of the earth > > >about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great ire here ) has developed > > >an absolutely sure way to detect these, because no-one can completely agree > > >on what they are! > > > > Hi Nick, > > Have you looked at Bob Shannon's 'scalar detector' > > on Bill Beaty's web page? I'm not talking about the gradiometer > > now. Bob told me this detector would get signals even in > > a tight faraday cage behind thick metal walls. He also > > includes a transmitter for same. > > And I agree there is no real definition for these > > supposed fields yet. > > Jim > > Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work > on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. > > He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in > Berlin, Germany, > how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. > He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit > through a faraday cage and it did work ! > It is all based on the work of Tesla, but Prof. Meyl has also worked out > the > theory and can explain it with wave equatations. > > The basic transmitter and receiver is pretty simple, > it consists of a sine wave generator running in the 6 Mhz range and a > special > LC component antenna, where a "tesla ball sphere" is transmitting this > sine electrostatic "pressure" wave field. The air is the dielectricum. > Now the receiver is the same LC circuit also with a ball sphere as the > electrostatic > capacitor plate receiver. > > The other pole is the ground line. > Instead of using the ground he used a single wire. > > At the receiver output transformer (aircore coil tranformer) he puts 2 > LEDs > in antiparallel and if the 2 LC circuits are tuned for resonance > (transmiter and > receiver LC circuits) there is 10x times the output power at the > receiver LEDS, > than at the transmitter LEDs. ! > This was confirmed by measurements at the Technical University of > Clausthal, Germany. > > Prof. Meyl claims this is due to the receiver also collecting "free > neutrinos" > or also using the background noise and rectifying this also in his > circuit. > > It is pretty simular to what already Mr. Dollard in the USA has done. > (See Naudinīs website on longitudional waves for reference !) > > I believe after this excellent speech by Prof. Meyl, I have now > understood > how one can practically use scalar waves for long range communication > purposes. > It really opens a whole new door in communication industries ! > No more MegaWatts Transmitters needed for any broadcast ! > Just stick your handy antenna into the ground and receive calls > from milliwatts transmitters around the world ! > > Have a look here: > > http://www.k-meyl.de > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 00:27:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA04959; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:27:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:27:04 -0700 Message-ID: <396ACC2D.70CAF3C7@flash.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:26:37 -0400 From: Khem Caigan Organization: http://home.flash.net/~khem/Simonomicon.html X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! References: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> <396A597D.EAFFB0FA@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YNPrm3.0.OD1.8niQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work > on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. > > He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in > Berlin, Germany, > how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. > He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit > through a faraday cage and it did work ! I don't think that faraday cages exclude ELF. All the Best, -Khem Caigan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 05:17:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA21913; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:17:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: <003301bfeacd$5c63c1a0$b51b16cb@rogerdw> From: "Roger Weichert" To: References: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> <396A597D.EAFFB0FA@harti.com> <396ACC2D.70CAF3C7@flash.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:47:11 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"nVM2E3.0.EM5.x0nQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Donno that I'd class 6 MHz as ELF though. : ) Regards Roger > > Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work > > on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. > > > > He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in > > Berlin, Germany, > > how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. > > He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit > > through a faraday cage and it did work ! > > I don't think that faraday cages exclude ELF. > > All the Best, > > -Khem Caigan > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 05:24:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA25906; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:24:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: <396B1100.4BAA4BC6@harti.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:20:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! References: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> <396A597D.EAFFB0FA@harti.com> <396ACC2D.70CAF3C7@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FgbhZ3.0.hK6.k7nQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It was not ELF in the Hz range but a 6,5 Mhz sine wave or something in this frequency range ! Khem Caigan schrieb: > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work > > on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. > > > > He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in > > Berlin, Germany, > > how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. > > He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit > > through a faraday cage and it did work ! > > I don't think that faraday cages exclude ELF. > > All the Best, > > -Khem Caigan > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 05:28:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA27799; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:28:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: <396B11F0.58B9F8A7@harti.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:24:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Gavin Dingley Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! References: <200007092330.TAA27622@world.std.com> <396A597D.EAFFB0FA@harti.com> <396AC376.D42EEF06@astra.ukf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IZepV1.0.Go6.WBnQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gavin Dingley schrieb: > > Hi Her Schrieb, > this system sounds allot like a basic tesla coil set-up; one tesla coil to > transmit, the other to receive. I have built a similar set-up, but have > transmitted 100 Watts, giving a powerful electrical discharge on the receiving What was the distance you could do that ? What was the power trasmission ratio ? How much power did you transmit and how much did you receive at what distance ? > coil. This is no more than Tesla's basic transmission of intelligence patent. > Tesla stated that the transmission was via the earth connection, the isotropic > capacity only acting as an energy store (isotropic capacity with coil form LC > tuned circuit). In this explanation from the German scientist it sounds as though > the energy transfer is via the electrostatic field generated by this isotropic > capacity; is this the scalar field. > Tesla said that the longitudinal waves were in fact the conduction currents > through the earth, as an ac current would appear like an "electrical sound wave." Yes, that is also what Prof. Meyl has stated, he just build upon Teslas experiments and has built the theory on it via his special wave equatation. > > >From Bearden's work I am under the impression that scalar waves are the two fields He says, Bearden is wrong in his theoretical explanation. > generated around an antenna that interact and form hertzian EM waves. The boundary > between the near field and radiated energy is where this interaction takes place. > The near field is where the scalar energy is. A tesla coil has a very poor > radiation resistance, so only a near or sclera field is generated around it. > > In antenna theory the hertzian em waves are a product of the antenna's radiation > resistance, while the near (or scalar field) is the product of the antenna's > reactive components. In a tesla coil the reactive component is left open (the > isotropic capacity) and so scalar waves are emitted. > > Reactive power is not real power, so it tends to be ignored; yet a capacitor will > draw a huge current but not get hot, where is the power going to, this is scalar > energy. On closer inspection one finds that the current flowing through a > capacitor is not electron flow but instead displacement current, the rotation of > electrical dipoles. Also the current and voltage are out of phase, this is scalar > energy. > > So I guess this is what the German scientist has said? Is his paper available, in > English yet? He is working on an english translation of his newest book. Regards, Stefan. Anyway, it's good to see that Europe is now making some real efforts > in alt.science, not surprising the Germans have taken the lead.......again, well > done, hope the U.K. will eventually catch-up. > > Regards, > > Gavin the limy lurker > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > Jim Uban schrieb: > > > > > > >Nick Reiter wrote: > > > >****** ... Herein lies the rub. For as many papers and > > > >theoretical discussions that have flown to the far corners of the earth > > > >about scalar fields, no one yet (and I risk great ire here ) has developed > > > >an absolutely sure way to detect these, because no-one can completely agree > > > >on what they are! > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > Have you looked at Bob Shannon's 'scalar detector' > > > on Bill Beaty's web page? I'm not talking about the gradiometer > > > now. Bob told me this detector would get signals even in > > > a tight faraday cage behind thick metal walls. He also > > > includes a transmitter for same. > > > And I agree there is no real definition for these > > > supposed fields yet. > > > Jim > > > > Prof K. Meyl has done a very good new theroretical and pratical work > > on Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. > > > > He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in > > Berlin, Germany, > > how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. > > He used electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit > > through a faraday cage and it did work ! > > It is all based on the work of Tesla, but Prof. Meyl has also worked out > > the > > theory and can explain it with wave equatations. > > > > The basic transmitter and receiver is pretty simple, > > it consists of a sine wave generator running in the 6 Mhz range and a > > special > > LC component antenna, where a "tesla ball sphere" is transmitting this > > sine electrostatic "pressure" wave field. The air is the dielectricum. > > Now the receiver is the same LC circuit also with a ball sphere as the > > electrostatic > > capacitor plate receiver. > > > > The other pole is the ground line. > > Instead of using the ground he used a single wire. > > > > At the receiver output transformer (aircore coil tranformer) he puts 2 > > LEDs > > in antiparallel and if the 2 LC circuits are tuned for resonance > > (transmiter and > > receiver LC circuits) there is 10x times the output power at the > > receiver LEDS, > > than at the transmitter LEDs. ! > > This was confirmed by measurements at the Technical University of > > Clausthal, Germany. > > > > Prof. Meyl claims this is due to the receiver also collecting "free > > neutrinos" > > or also using the background noise and rectifying this also in his > > circuit. > > > > It is pretty simular to what already Mr. Dollard in the USA has done. > > (See Naudinīs website on longitudional waves for reference !) > > > > I believe after this excellent speech by Prof. Meyl, I have now > > understood > > how one can practically use scalar waves for long range communication > > purposes. > > It really opens a whole new door in communication industries ! > > No more MegaWatts Transmitters needed for any broadcast ! > > Just stick your handy antenna into the ground and receive calls > > from milliwatts transmitters around the world ! > > > > Have a look here: > > > > http://www.k-meyl.de > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 07:15:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA32157; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:15:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:15:14 -0700 From: DMBoss1021@aol.com Message-ID: <48.7fc9f98.269c85c3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:14:27 EDT To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id HAA32127 Resent-Message-ID: <"U6WiW3.0.Is7.oloQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! - Primary Energy? Hi Folks: Stefan Hartmann writes: <> This account sounds remarkably like the the description of the apparatus - "Electrogravitic Communication System" proposed by T. T. Brown in the 1950's http://www.soteria.com/brown/docs/comm.htm << Description: This invention relates to the method and means of transmitting radiant energy through space. It is contemplated that its special field of usefulness lies in the transmission of intelligence, such as with radio and television, and to a certain extent also in radar and remote control. The system employs the interaction between electrodynamics and gravitation, and the radiant energy referred to is believed to be gravitational or "electro-gravitic" in nature. Such radiation is extremely penetrating and is known to pass readily through barriers or shields impenetrable to electromagnetic radiation and is, therefore, readily distinguished by this quality. >> The article does on to describe how the apparatus is constructed using simple radio transmitters, and appropriate receivers. The trick seems to be in using a spherical solid mass as the "antenna", of high mass, and density - such as lead. Brown goes on to explain that the mass itself resonates with the RF input, creating gravity waves of extremely high penetration. ________________________________ >From Prof. K Meyl's site: which led to: http://www.k-meyl.de/Vortrage/Info1/info1.html On the page there is this quote, followed by a severely amateur translations: << "Andererseits wird bei der energietechnischen Nutzung der Teslastrahlung gleich von drei Seiten - über physikalische Beobachtungen, übermathematische Herleitungen und an Hand historischer Dokumente - der Nachweis geführt, daß es sich bei den freien Energien, bei Radiant-Energy oder Raumenergie um Neutrino-Power handelt, daß die dabei genutzten Raumquanten mit Neutrinos gleichzusetzen sind, und daß es sich bei Od, bei Orgon, bei Tachyonen etc. um die Beschreibung speziefischer neutrinoeigenschaften handeln muß. So gelingt eine Interpretation unterschiedlichster Konzepte zur freien Energie. Das Leuchten der Sonne, die wachsende Erde, die Photosysnthese und die Lebensenergie werden schlüssig erklärt, ebenso wie bekannte Erfindungen, z. B. von Tesla, Schauberger, Coler, Searl, Seike u. v. m." "On the other hand, the correct generation of the Tesla Radiation is similar in three ways - physical observations, mathematical derivation, and available historical documents - the proof is supported by the output of free energy, through the radiant or space energy (ZPE) brought forth by Neutrino Power, because of the similarity of Space Quanta with neutrinos, and that it forces the equivalence of Od (?), Orgone, tachyon energies, etcetera, by the specific description that these act in a similar fashion to neutrinos. A description of the underlying concepts of free energy is also successful. Sunlight, the whole of the Earth, photosynthesis and the life energies are readily explained, as are the publically known findings of Tesla, Schauberger, (Hans) Coler, Searl, Seike, and many others." >> I believe, as Meyl is stating here, and others have as well - that all or many of these anomalous, or subtle energies/fields are one and the same. Being discovered, and rediscovered, by many, at different times, and given different names. Scalar fields, orgone, OD, Teslas waves, Axion/Torsion fields, pyramid energy, Moray's Radiant energy, etc.; all have been reported to have distinct bio effects, consistant with a "life energy". And all have an "unkown" or anomalous "action at a distance" quality. (pentrate most matter, and EM shielding) There is also Wagner's W waves - which he claims are low freq longitudinal gravity waves - that plants use as life energy, and tall trees use to reduce gravity in the capillaries to "pump" water up to great heights. http://www.chatlink.com/~oedphd/cosmology/gravity.html << GRAVITY AS A WAVE PHENOMENON ABSTRACT General relativity (GR) appears to be inadequate as a description for gravity since it is at odds with quantum theory and fails to provide an explanation for inertia and momentum. Other evidence that the space curvature model for gravity (GR) is inadequate is also presented. The basics of a moving standing wave model for gravity are described. The new model apparently provides for the inadequacies of general relativity and may suggest means to control and/or shield gravity. >> http://www.chatlink.com/~oedphd/cosmology/article.html << ALL PERVADING WAVES SUGGEST UNIVERSAL CONTROL AND COMMUNICATION SUMMARY AND ORIENTATION During the past nine years I have found and analyzed waves (W- waves) that seem to pervade everything. These waves seem to interact with ordinary matter to control charge location, matter displacement, life organization, and provide communication. The variable velocities found for these waves may provide better and more versatile means of communication throughout the universe. These waves may travel many times faster than light under the proper conditions since they appear to be non- electromagnetic. They may provide communication with the most remote locations within reasonable times. I hypothesize that these waves provide a dominant means of communication for the universe and thus, so far, we have been unable to detect other than human communications. I have detected organized signals coming from W-wave detectors that may have originated from deep space. These waves might also provide for action at a distance under the proper conditions. >> ____________________________________ And finally, a higher dimensional wave motion of the entire 3D matrix (the aether) is the basis for a new unified field theory, or TOE - and this is detailed on my site, and called the Primary Energy. By using this theory, and some details provided with the original descrption, we, and many others have hound this sublte energy in simple devices, creating a beam or field that has distinct bio effects, and some physical effects. (though we have not completely investigated all the possibilities as yet) And this Primary Energy [PE] is penetrating, and passes thru matter, and EM shielding. And in the theory, is responsible for matter creation, inertia, gravity, radioactivity, and in combination with a tenuous, but physical, hydrodynamic model of the aether also explains magnetic, electric, and thermodynamic effects. This energy has the same characteristics as all the above mentioned effects, or "energies". We have recently found that a device suggested by Bedini, as having a "scalar" output, is actually one and the same as this PE, and this device when augmented by a PE [passive] device - creates and extremely intense "subtle energy beam". This intense beam causes our protoypte "tungsten detector" (inspired by the Russian torsion field research, and a photographic alteration of the local space. (unfortunately, I have not had time to post info about the two separate detection methods - but will soon) (also much more background info is not yet posted to the site - but there is plenty of food for thought - and if this thesis, and some supporting evidence is correct, or even close - there is support for an underlying mechanism of all the known, and anomalous forces/effects) my site: NEW MILLENNIUM: NEW PHYSICS? http://hometown.aol.com/dmboss1021/NEWPH/Index.html I think this message is getting long enough. Sincerely, DMBoss1021 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 14:44:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA11804; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:49 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:41:42 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:33:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: RE: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST In-reply-to: <00ff01bfe7cc$e4490ac0$3bd4ddd1@x2001> To: freenrg-L Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2831ZYNXPA5CR X400-MTS-identifier: [;24147111700002/4878277@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"jCpSd.0.Hu2.PJvQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bil, Interesting name ;^) I take it that you are referring to the theory that feeding a small amount of hydrogen into the air intake of a gas Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) helps it to burn the gasoline more efficiently? If so, I had planned on first getting a small cylinder of hydrogen with a check valve and testing the theory before going to the trouble of building an on board hydrogen generator. Have you or anyone you know done this? Bill webriggs@concentric.net Briggs@XLNsystems.com >In building the Hydro Boost hydrolysis unit for adding >hydrogen to the fuel mixture in my car I am concerned >that there could possibly be an explosion. The container >is 4" dia., 1/4" thick ABS plastic pipe with end caps glued >on (total height: 10") >Does anyone know of a way to almost totally avoid this >danger or a way to construct some sort of device that >would give way (such as the bottom of the container >blowing off) if an explosion should occur. >Bil From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 14:48:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA14283; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:47:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:47:15 -0700 Message-ID: <396B93A2.1478B0B1@astra.ukf.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:37:38 +0100 From: Gavin Dingley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: scalar fields exactly explained ! - Primary Energy? References: <48.7fc9f98.269c85c3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CYy2n2.0.4V3.YNvQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, there was a little question mark in the translation of the extract; if this is a question, then I will answer it, see below: DMBoss1021@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Stefan Hartmann writes: > < Scalar energy and has produced a kit, which he now sells. > > He has shown in the conference on free energy on the 8th of July 2000 in > Berlin, Germany, how his transmitter and receiver works exactly. He used > electrostatic longitudinal scalar waves to transmit through a faraday cage > and it did work ! > > It is all based on the work of Tesla, but Prof. Meyl has also worked out > the theory and can explain it with wave equatations. > >> > > This account sounds remarkably like the the description of the apparatus - > "Electrogravitic Communication System" proposed by T. T. Brown in the 1950's > > http://www.soteria.com/brown/docs/comm.htm > > << > Description: > This invention relates to the method and means of transmitting radiant energy > through space. It is contemplated that its special field of usefulness lies > in the transmission of intelligence, such as with radio and television, and > to a certain extent also in radar and remote control. The system employs the > interaction between electrodynamics and gravitation, and the radiant energy > referred to is believed to be gravitational or "electro-gravitic" in nature. > Such radiation is extremely penetrating and is known to pass readily through > barriers or shields impenetrable to electromagnetic radiation and is, > therefore, readily distinguished by this quality. > >> > > The article does on to describe how the apparatus is constructed using simple > radio transmitters, and appropriate receivers. The trick seems to be in > using a spherical solid mass as the "antenna", of high mass, and density - > such as lead. > > Brown goes on to explain that the mass itself resonates with the RF input, > creating gravity waves of extremely high penetration. > > ________________________________ > > >From Prof. K Meyl's site: > > which led to: > > http://www.k-meyl.de/Vortrage/Info1/info1.html > > On the page there is this quote, followed by a severely amateur translations: > > << "Andererseits wird bei der energietechnischen Nutzung der > Teslastrahlung gleich von drei Seiten - über physikalische > Beobachtungen, übermathematische Herleitungen und an Hand > historischer Dokumente - der Nachweis geführt, daß es sich > bei den freien Energien, bei Radiant-Energy oder Raumenergie um > Neutrino-Power handelt, daß die dabei genutzten Raumquanten mit > Neutrinos gleichzusetzen sind, und daß es sich bei Od, bei Orgon, > bei Tachyonen etc. um die Beschreibung speziefischer > neutrinoeigenschaften handeln muß. So gelingt eine Interpretation > unterschiedlichster Konzepte zur freien Energie. Das Leuchten > der Sonne, die wachsende Erde, die Photosysnthese und die > Lebensenergie werden schlüssig erklärt, ebenso wie bekannte > Erfindungen, z. B. von Tesla, Schauberger, Coler, Searl, Seike > u. v. m." > > "On the other hand, the correct generation of the Tesla Radiation is > similar in three ways - physical observations, mathematical derivation, > and available historical documents - the proof is supported by the > output of free energy, through the radiant or space energy (ZPE) > brought forth by Neutrino Power, because of the similarity of Space > Quanta with neutrinos, and that it forces the equivalence of Od (?), > Od is the original word from which Odylic force is derived. The Odylic force was discovered by von Reichenbach and is similar in nature to Reich's orgone energy. Reichenbach's word is definitely worth reading and is perhaps more extensive than Reich's work. Reichenbach used sesitives to study the unusual energies given off by magnets, this energy he called odylic force. In appearance, to the sensitives, it was a coloured plasmic inert substance. The work was extensive and he often conducted double blind experiments to verify result; fascinating research and excellent rock solid experimental design. Curiously, the Germans appear to be well versed in such "life-force" sciences, Reich, Reichenbach and Shauberger all were all German/Austrian and had studied this mysterious force. Also, if I dare mention it, the Nazis also had an interest; in this case it was called Vril (although Vril was a name given by Bewler Lytton, spelling?, the Victorian writer and member of several secret societies). regards Gavin P.S. I'll answer the questions regarding the tesla coil set-up in a separate mail. > Orgone, tachyon energies, etcetera, by the specific description that > these act in a similar fashion to neutrinos. A description of the > underlying concepts of free energy is also successful. Sunlight, the > whole of the Earth, photosynthesis and the life energies are readily > explained, as are the publically known findings of Tesla, Schauberger, > (Hans) Coler, Searl, Seike, and many others." > >> > > I believe, as Meyl is stating here, and others have as well - that all or > many of these anomalous, or subtle energies/fields are one and the same. > Being discovered, and rediscovered, by many, at different times, and given > different names. > > Scalar fields, orgone, OD, Teslas waves, Axion/Torsion fields, pyramid > energy, Moray's Radiant energy, etc.; all have been reported to have distinct > bio effects, consistant with a "life energy". And all have an "unkown" or > anomalous "action at a distance" quality. (pentrate most matter, and EM > shielding) > > There is also Wagner's W waves - which he claims are low freq longitudinal > gravity waves - that plants use as life energy, and tall trees use to reduce > gravity in the capillaries to "pump" water up to great heights. > > http://www.chatlink.com/~oedphd/cosmology/gravity.html > > << > GRAVITY AS A WAVE PHENOMENON > ABSTRACT > > General relativity (GR) appears to be inadequate as a description for gravity > since it is at odds with quantum theory and fails to provide an explanation > for inertia and momentum. Other evidence that the space curvature model for > gravity (GR) is inadequate is also presented. The basics of a moving standing > wave model for gravity are described. The new model apparently provides for > the inadequacies of general relativity and may suggest means to control > and/or shield gravity. > >> > > http://www.chatlink.com/~oedphd/cosmology/article.html > > << > ALL PERVADING WAVES SUGGEST UNIVERSAL CONTROL AND COMMUNICATION > > SUMMARY AND ORIENTATION > > During the past nine years I have found and analyzed waves (W- waves) that > seem to pervade everything. These waves seem to interact with ordinary matter > to control charge location, matter displacement, life organization, and > provide communication. > > The variable velocities found for these waves may provide better and more > versatile means of communication throughout the universe. These waves may > travel many times faster than light under the proper conditions since they > appear to be non- electromagnetic. They may provide communication with the > most remote locations within reasonable times. I hypothesize that these waves > provide a dominant means of communication for the universe and thus, so far, > we have been unable to detect other than human communications. I have > detected organized signals coming from W-wave detectors that may have > originated from deep space. These waves might also provide for action at a > distance under the proper conditions. > >> > > ____________________________________ > > And finally, a higher dimensional wave motion of the entire 3D matrix (the > aether) is the basis for a new unified field theory, or TOE - and this is > detailed on my site, and called the Primary Energy. By using this theory, > and some details provided with the original descrption, we, and many others > have hound this sublte energy in simple devices, creating a beam or field > that has distinct bio effects, and some physical effects. (though we have not > completely investigated all the possibilities as yet) > > And this Primary Energy [PE] is penetrating, and passes thru matter, and EM > shielding. And in the theory, is responsible for matter creation, inertia, > gravity, radioactivity, and in combination with a tenuous, but physical, > hydrodynamic model of the aether also explains magnetic, electric, and > thermodynamic effects. > > This energy has the same characteristics as all the above mentioned effects, > or "energies". > > We have recently found that a device suggested by Bedini, as having a > "scalar" output, is actually one and the same as this PE, and this device > when augmented by a PE [passive] device - creates and extremely intense > "subtle energy beam". This intense beam causes our protoypte "tungsten > detector" (inspired by the Russian torsion field research, and a photographic > alteration of the local space. > > (unfortunately, I have not had time to post info about the two separate > detection methods - but will soon) (also much more background info is not yet > posted to the site - but there is plenty of food for thought - and if this > thesis, and some supporting evidence is correct, or even close - there is > support for an underlying mechanism of all the known, and anomalous > forces/effects) > > my site: > > NEW MILLENNIUM: NEW PHYSICS? > > http://hometown.aol.com/dmboss1021/NEWPH/Index.html > > I think this message is getting long enough. > > Sincerely, > > DMBoss1021 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 16:13:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA14264; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:12:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:32:38 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evan Soule , Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9c1LQ3.0.WU3.IdwQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16134 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? > > "AIR DYNAMOMETER" as sold in the form of a 5-foot > diameter, 80-lb fan blade and as described in the > Grainger Catalog, Part No. 3C200, and manufactured by > Dayton ---- > > Dayton-tested data as to RPM and needed HP: > > RPM HP > 300 1.5 Does it really need 1.5 Horsepower or more than 1000 Watts to turn this fan blade at just 300 RPM ?? Seems very high to me. How was this measured ? With a very inefficient electrical motor via the electrical motor input or via a real torque meter or prony brake ?? > > The Newman Motor/Generator turned the 80-lb fan blade > at 300 RPMs and drew only 300 watts. I would not expect much more with a high efficient DC permanent magnet motor at this slow RPM... -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 16:27:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA21200; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:26:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <396BAC14.63061E94@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:21:56 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b-ikC2.0.5B5.AqwQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16135 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Zeropollution car by Guy Negre http://www.rpi.net.au/~scottw/ http://www.zeropollution.com -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 16:34:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA25803; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:33:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: <396BAFE6.3D1D8B12@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:38:14 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "Michael S. Johnston" Subject: Re: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0CnZJ1.0.4J6.BxwQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill & All, In answer to your question..yes. http://www.telusplanet.net/public/idrive/hgs.htm This is the URL of a company which makes such a system and sells it commercially. They are located in Canada. Hope that helps. MJ Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > Bil, > > Interesting name ;^) > > I take it that you are referring to the theory that feeding a small amount > of hydrogen into the air intake of a gas Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) > helps it to burn the gasoline more efficiently? > > If so, I had planned on first getting a small cylinder of hydrogen with a > check valve and testing the theory before going to the trouble of building > an on board hydrogen generator. Have you or anyone you know done this? > > Bill > webriggs@concentric.net > Briggs@XLNsystems.com > > >In building the Hydro Boost hydrolysis unit for adding > >hydrogen to the fuel mixture in my car I am concerned > >that there could possibly be an explosion. The container > >is 4" dia., 1/4" thick ABS plastic pipe with end caps glued > >on (total height: 10") > > >Does anyone know of a way to almost totally avoid this > >danger or a way to construct some sort of device that > >would give way (such as the bottom of the container > >blowing off) if an explosion should occur. > > >Bil From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 17:01:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03329; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:00:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: <396BB42B.6AE98FDF@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:56:27 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lp1rA2.0.cp.VKxQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: [Fwd: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ?] Answer from Evan Soule: -------- Original Message -------- Betreff: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Datum: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:55:48 -0500 Von: Evan Soule An: Stefan Hartmann CC: Newman-L Mailing List Referenzen: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> > > > > "AIR DYNAMOMETER" as sold in the form of a 5-foot > > diameter, 80-lb fan blade and as described in the > > Grainger Catalog, Part No. 3C200, and manufactured by > > Dayton ---- > > > > Dayton-tested data as to RPM and needed HP: > > > > RPM HP > > 300 1.5 > > >Does it really need 1.5 Horsepower or more than 1000 Watts >to turn this fan blade at just 300 RPM ?? >Seems very high to me. >How was this measured ? The AIR DYNAMOMETER is not a typical, "lightweight" fan blade(s). The fan blades weigh 80 POUNDS. The measurements/stats were provided by the Dayton Corporation who (by their selection) used standard/conventional motors in tests they conducted to arrive at such results. If you wish specifics of their tests, then contact the Dayton Corporation. > >With a very inefficient electrical motor via the electrical motor input >or >via a real torque meter or prony brake ?? > > > > > The Newman Motor/Generator turned the 80-lb fan blade > > at 300 RPMs and drew only 300 watts. > > >I would not expect much more with a high efficient DC permanent >magnet motor at this slow RPM... > As both Dr. Swimmer and Milton Everett (Professional M.E.) reported as on-site witnesses of the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests, they consider such results as obtained by the NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE to be EXTRAORDINARY, especially since the same workload was being performed with 819 watts LESS than that required by a conventional motor. Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 17:53:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21393; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:52:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:52:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:52:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200007120052.UAA22504@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Report on the conference on free energy technology in Berlin 8th of July Resent-Message-ID: <"XhoBA3.0.7E5.b5yQv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan, That was a pretty good report of the conference in Germany. Could you estimate how many people attended? Did the conference get any media attention? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 11 23:53:44 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA06407; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:53:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:53:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000712065243.13262.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.219] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [FG]: HYDRO BOOST Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:52:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jNXIq2.0._Z1.TN1Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com And what would this do to/with the oxygen sensor Etc... on my fuel injected Honda??? Timothy... >From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 >Bil, > >Interesting name ;^) > >I take it that you are referring to the theory that feeding a small amount >of hydrogen into the air intake of a gas Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) >helps it to burn the gasoline more efficiently? > >If so, I had planned on first getting a small cylinder of hydrogen with a >check valve and testing the theory before going to the trouble of building >an on board hydrogen generator. Have you or anyone you know done this? > >Bill >webriggs@concentric.net >Briggs@XLNsystems.com > > >In building the Hydro Boost hydrolysis unit for adding > >hydrogen to the fuel mixture in my car I am concerned > >that there could possibly be an explosion. The container > >is 4" dia., 1/4" thick ABS plastic pipe with end caps glued > >on (total height: 10") > > >Does anyone know of a way to almost totally avoid this > >danger or a way to construct some sort of device that > >would give way (such as the bottom of the container > >blowing off) if an explosion should occur. > > >Bil > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 05:56:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA18456; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:55:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: <396C69DD.B4DD3979@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:51:41 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Michael T Huffman Subject: Re: [FG]: Report on the conference on free energy technology in Berlin 8th of July References: <200007120052.UAA22504@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6sESp3.0.CW4.Th6Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I guess about 50 to 70 people attended it, but there was not much media attention unfortunately. Michael T Huffman schrieb: > > Hi Stefan, > > That was a pretty good report of the conference in Germany. Could you > estimate how many people attended? Did the conference get any media attention? > > Knuke > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 06:07:41 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22286; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:07:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <02de01bfec02$9ca7de00$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <200007120052.UAA22504@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> <396C69DD.B4DD3979@harti.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Report on the conference on free energy technology in Berlin 8th of July Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:10:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"c5avv1.0.7S5.3s6Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Its probably better there was not media attention at this point so that the knowledge can get better entrenched so the big boys cannot stop it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: ; Michael T Huffman Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Report on the conference on free energy technology in Berlin 8th of July > I guess about 50 to 70 people attended it, > but there was not much media attention unfortunately. > > > Michael T Huffman schrieb: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > That was a pretty good report of the conference in Germany. Could you > > estimate how many people attended? Did the conference get any media attention? > > > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > > Huffman Technology Company > > 1121 Dustin Drive > > The Villages, Florida 32159 > > (352)259-1276 > > knuke@LCIA.COM > > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 06:35:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA30234; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: <396C731E.1D350931@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:31:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7yfKz.0.9O7.RG7Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? I see, thanks for the info. So when will Joe run a commercial AC or DC generator with his motor to see, if he can run the system on its own energy ? When I remember correctly, this was not yet done by him in the last few years and if this will not be shown, most of the people will still remain skeptic. Just to turn a fan and blow some wind it does not need to buy an expensive Newman motor. Regards, Stefan. Evan Soule schrieb: > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER results are with a completely new Newman Motor/Generator. > > >Thanks Evan for the information. > >Is this still the older > >titled "production motor" > >from Newman or already any new motor model ? > > > > > >Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "AIR DYNAMOMETER" as sold in the form of a 5-foot > > > > > diameter, 80-lb fan blade and as described in the > > > > > Grainger Catalog, Part No. 3C200, and manufactured by > > > > > Dayton ---- > > > > > > > > > > Dayton-tested data as to RPM and needed HP: > > > > > > > > > > RPM HP > > > > > 300 1.5 > > > > > > > > > > > >Does it really need 1.5 Horsepower or more than 1000 Watts > > > >to turn this fan blade at just 300 RPM ?? > > > >Seems very high to me. > > > >How was this measured ? > > > > > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER is not a typical, "lightweight" fan blade(s). > > > The fan blades weigh 80 POUNDS. The measurements/stats were provided > > > by the Dayton Corporation who (by their selection) used > > > standard/conventional motors in tests they conducted to arrive at > > > such results. > > > > > > If you wish specifics of their tests, then contact the Dayton Corporation. > > > > > > > > > > >With a very inefficient electrical motor via the electrical motor input > > > >or > > > >via a real torque meter or prony brake ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Newman Motor/Generator turned the 80-lb fan blade > > > > > at 300 RPMs and drew only 300 watts. > > > > > > > > > > > >I would not expect much more with a high efficient DC permanent > > > >magnet motor at this slow RPM... > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > > >-- > > > > > > As both Dr. Swimmer and Milton Everett (Professional M.E.) reported > > > as on-site witnesses of the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests, they consider such > > > results as obtained by the NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE to be EXTRAORDINARY, > > > especially since the same workload was being performed with 819 watts > > > LESS than that required by a conventional motor. > > > > > > Evan Soule' > > > >-- > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > >-- > >Hartmann Multimedia Service, > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 06:36:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA30581; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:36:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:36:18 -0700 Message-ID: <396C7348.F49750B8@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:31:53 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <003c01bfebbe$af2def40$88f0490c@node4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_yPQd3.0.VT7.IH7Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Could be, that this requires so much power, but it is not a very convincing demo in my eyes to blow a bit air... He probably should better try to run a DC generator, that is rated at maybe 90 % efficiency at adjusted RPMs and show the electrical output power on resistors via DC voltage and DC current measurements at the load resistors. This would be a much more convincing demo. Best regards, Stefan. Ralph Hartwell schrieb: > > > > "AIR DYNAMOMETER" as sold in the form of a 5-foot > > > diameter, 80-lb fan blade and as described in the > > > Grainger Catalog, Part No. 3C200, and manufactured by > > > Dayton ---- > > > > > > Dayton-tested data as to RPM and needed HP: > > > > > > RPM HP > > > 300 1.5 > > > > Does it really need 1.5 Horsepower or more than 1000 Watts > > to turn this fan blade at just 300 RPM ?? > > Seems very high to me. > > How was this measured ? > > > > With a very inefficient electrical motor via the electrical motor > input > > or > > via a real torque meter or prony brake ?? > > > > According to the W.W. Grainger catalog, this unit is a 60" diameter > multi-blade fan, that should be driven by a 1.5 HP motor. > > Since motors are generally rated by their mechanical OUTPUT, it > appears that this fan blade will, in fact, require that much power to > drive it at the stated 300 RPM. The electrical power input to the > motor will have to be larger than 1.5 HP to allow for losses. > > Moving as much air as a blade that large can handle involves > accelerating many Kg of air per minute, and that requires real power. > If Joe's motor can drive that blade in free air at 300 RPM, then it > would indeed seem that he has something pretty close to 1.5 HP > available at the shaft of his motor. > > Ralph W5JGV > > ICQ 8514638 > ralph.hartwell@worldnet.att.net > ralph.hartwell@netzero.net > http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell > Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 10:38:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA17574; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:38:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:38:01 -0700 Message-ID: <396CAD03.37E59310@info2000.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:38:12 -0600 From: Ted Reply-To: tsleber@info2000.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> <396C731E.1D350931@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yWDIt3.0.RI4.vpARv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan, The point of putting the fan on the motor was not to drive the fan but to load the motor with a known load. Ted From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 13:01:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03538; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:00:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:00:53 -0700 Message-ID: <396CCD7A.F673F89A@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:56:42 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> <396C7331.BBE1CFD@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y2LM1.0.6t.rvCRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= Mechanical fan blade power... Evan I agree, that he now can show Greater External Output than electrical input, if the chart of the required horsepower for turning the fan is correct and the amount of wind friction is overcome, which is stated by the chart. This is indeed a well done demo of EEO>EEI. But today we also have other systems that already produce energy like the Dingle watercar or the Testatika. So the next step would be to run a Generator on the shaft of the Newman motor and produce some real useful electrical energy. I hope Joe Newman can achive this next step and not just show EEO>EEI , but a closed system loop. Good luck. Regards, Stefan. Evan Soule schrieb: > > Dear Stefan, > > I must sincerely state that your comments below are a typical example > of the obstacles to achievement and recognition faced by innovators. > In part, what I mean by that is: a number of people have been > "crying" for years: "Joe, Joe, why don't you do THIS test or THAT > test!" In particular, such people have been seemingly "screaming" > for Joe to do a DYNAMOMETER test because --- as they have so often > stated to me and Joe (again and again and again and again!): "YOU > CANNOT ARGUE WITH THE RESULTS OF A DYNAMOMETER TEST! SUCH RESULTS > ARE CONCLUSIVE!" Besides the fact that results of just such a > Dynamometer test are provided in Joseph Newman's book [i.e., the > Lawrence Tech Dynamometer Tests], once again Joe took it upon himself > to post the results of yet ANOTHER Dynamometer test ---- and yet > comments like Stefan's appear below. > > Allow me to tackle another "sacred cow" in the so-called > "free-energy" movement: > > [BTW, the term "free-energy" is BOTH scientifically and economically > INCORRECT, which is why Joseph Newman has NEVER used the term to > describe his work. As you know he explicitly describes his > technology as: "Greater External Energy Output Than External Energy > Input." (or EEO>EEI) ] > > Let me first state the following: > > No conventional motor in the history of science has ever been able to > achieve "GREATER EXTERNAL ENERGY OUTPUT THAN EXTERNAL ENERGY > INPUT"!!! > > That is a fact! > > There is a false belief circulating that "in order to achieve > 'greater external energy output than external energy input' one MUST > 'recycle' the energy back into the system." > > THAT IS A TOTALLY FALSE BELIEF! Anyone who suffers from that belief > is LOCKED into a TOTALLY ---- TOTALLY!!!!! ----- FALSE MINDSET .... a > non-intellectual DEAD END! > > Such a false belief is analogous to saying to the Wright Brothers on > December 18, 1903: > > "Well, Wilbur and Orville, I REFUSE to accept the revolutionary > significance of your accomplisment yesterday, UNTIL YOU CAN "FLY" > YOUR AEROPLANE BY "RECYCLING" THE AIR BLOWN PAST THE PROPELLERS AND > CAUSING SUCH RECYCLED AIR ALONE TO BE USED TO LIFT YOUR AEROPLANE!!!" > > Obviously, such a request would be preposterous and would represent > total denial of the revolutionary achievement of Wilbur and Orville > Wright. > > Similarly, it is just as preposterous to deny the revolutionary > achievement of Joseph Newman --- the innovation of a Motor/Generator > that produces "Greater External Energy Output Than External Energy > Input." > > He has achieved what NO conventional motor in history has ever accomplished. > > If you do not understand that, Stefan, then you have been blinded by > your own false paradigm. > > Let me repeat and restate: > > REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ENERGY CAN OR CANNOT BE "RECYCLED" > --- THAT IS A ***TOTALY INDEPENDENT SUBJECT**** FROM THE FACT THAT > HIS TECHNOLOGY ***DOES INDEED*** PRODUCE "GREATER EXTERNAL ENERGY > OUTPUT THAN EXTERNAL ENERGY INPUT. > > FROM THE VERY BEGINNING *THAT* IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT JOSEPH NEWMAN > STATED THAT HIS TECHNOLOGY ACHIEVES ---- NOTHING MORE, NOTHING > LESS!!!! > > And his achievement of a Motor/Generator that DOES produce "Greater > External Energy Output Than External Energy Input" represents a > revolutionary achievement in the history of science. > > He could NOT have accomplished that without an explicit and > fundamental understanding of the nature of (electro)magnetism: the > GYROSCOPIC MASSERGY. > > Evan Soule' > > >I see, > >thanks for the info. > >So when will Joe run a commercial AC or DC generator > >with his motor to see, if he can run the system on its own energy ? > > > >When I remember correctly, this was not yet done by him > >in the last few years and if this will not be shown, most of the people > >will still remain skeptic. > > > >Just to turn a fan and blow some wind it does not need to buy an > >expensive Newman motor. > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > >Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER results are with a completely new Newman > >Motor/Generator. > > > > > > >Thanks Evan for the information. > > > >Is this still the older > > > >titled "production motor" > > > >from Newman or already any new motor model ? > > > > > > > > > > > >Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "AIR DYNAMOMETER" as sold in the form of a 5-foot > > > > > > > diameter, 80-lb fan blade and as described in the > > > > > > > Grainger Catalog, Part No. 3C200, and manufactured by > > > > > > > Dayton ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dayton-tested data as to RPM and needed HP: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RPM HP > > > > > > > 300 1.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Does it really need 1.5 Horsepower or more than 1000 Watts > > > > > >to turn this fan blade at just 300 RPM ?? > > > > > >Seems very high to me. > > > > > >How was this measured ? > > > > > > > > > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER is not a typical, "lightweight" fan blade(s). > > > > > The fan blades weigh 80 POUNDS. The measurements/stats were provided > > > > > by the Dayton Corporation who (by their selection) used > > > > > standard/conventional motors in tests they conducted to arrive at > > > > > such results. > > > > > > > > > > If you wish specifics of their tests, then contact the Dayton > >Corporation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With a very inefficient electrical motor via the electrical > >motor input > > > > > >or > > > > > >via a real torque meter or prony brake ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Newman Motor/Generator turned the 80-lb fan blade > > > > > > > at 300 RPMs and drew only 300 watts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would not expect much more with a high efficient DC permanent > > > > > >magnet motor at this slow RPM... > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > As both Dr. Swimmer and Milton Everett (Professional M.E.) reported > > > > > as on-site witnesses of the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests, they consider such > > > > > results as obtained by the NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE to be EXTRAORDINARY, > > > > > especially since the same workload was being performed with 819 watts > > > > > LESS than that required by a conventional motor. > > > > > > > > > > Evan Soule' > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > > >-- > > > >Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > > >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > > >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > > >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > >-- > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > >-- > >Hartmann Multimedia Service, > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 13:30:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA14290; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:30:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:30:09 -0700 From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:33:50 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Message-ID: <396CABFE.7135.6E4F63@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <396CAD03.37E59310@info2000.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <"22W_G2.0.0V3.GLDRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Stefan, > The point of putting the fan on the motor was not to drive the fan > but to load the motor with a known load. > > Ted > Or to blow away those pesky questions .... Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 13:41:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA19162; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:40:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <396CD6CA.68568A27@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:36:26 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsleber@info2000.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> <396C731E.1D350931@harti.com> <396CAD03.37E59310@info2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n-duV.0.Jh4.-UDRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ted schrieb: > > Stefan, > The point of putting the fan on the motor was not to drive the fan > but to load the motor with a known load. > > Ted Ted, sure, but with a RPM rated DC generator producing easy to measure electrical energy it had made more sense. Just my point of view, although the fan measurement is still easier to do, cause you just have to measuere the rotation speed in RPM. Hope the fan chart is correct in required horsepower and that this was not done via measureing the HP via an innefficeint AC induction motor electrical input power and saying this is the required HP to turn the fan mechanically. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 14:01:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA27063; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:00:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:00:19 -0700 Message-ID: <396CDB6E.8438481@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:56:14 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MH7BP.0.ic6.ZnDRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= new motor...Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Evan Soule wrote: > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER results are with a completely new Newman Motor/Generator. Hi Evan, this is not the "Sledge-Hammer-Story" Biss-Newman motor anymore ? Was this new motor manufactured professionally by another company now or did Joe it now alone ? BTW, Norman Biss wanted to finish the second Newman "production motor", never heard of him having it finished and tested it. He still owes us his test results... Regards, Stefan. > > >Thanks Evan for the information. > >Is this still the older > >titled "production motor" > >from Newman or already any new motor model ? > > > > > >Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 14:04:51 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA26778; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:59:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:59:23 -0700 Message-ID: <396CDA7A.F0A1C50D@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:52:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zT-T11.0.BY6.hmDRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= new motor...Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Evan Soule wrote: > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER results are with a completely new Newman Motor/Generator. Hi Evan, this is not the "Sledge-Hammer-Story" Biss-Newman motor anymore ? Was this new motor manufactured professionally by another company now or did Joe it now alone ? BTW, Norman Biss wanted to finish the second Newman "production motor", never heard of him having it finished and tested it. He still owes us his test results... Regards, Stefan. > > >Thanks Evan for the information. > >Is this still the older > >titled "production motor" > >from Newman or already any new motor model ? > > > > > >Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 14:18:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA02799; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:18:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:18:07 -0700 Message-ID: <396CDF9E.1D094230@harti.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:14:06 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> <396CDA7A.F0A1C50D@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dCw152.0.ah.F2ERv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16150 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= new motor...Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? > >BTW, Norman Biss wanted to finish the second Newman "production motor", > >never heard of him having it finished and tested it. > >He still owes us his test results... > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > No, the energy machine utilizing the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests is a new > Newman Motor/Generator that has been entirely constructed by Joe. > > Regards, Evan Hi Evan, just had a look again at: http://www.josephnewman.com/picture_1.jpg http://www.josephnewman.com/test_results.html Looks pretty nice the new motor and also pretty professionell done ! Congratulations to Joe ! Regards, Stefan. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 15:25:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA27944; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:24:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:24:23 -0700 Old-X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <396CF42B.14186AB0@erie.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:41:47 -0400 From: Norm Biss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Newman-L Mailing List , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: =?UTF-8?B?TmV3bWFuw4LCtHM=?= new motor...Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> <396CDA7A.F0A1C50D@harti.com> <396CDF9E.1D094230@harti.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9879A7BD4E90283D1AB83840" Resent-Message-ID: <"v_B-n2.0.Uq6.M0FRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------9879A7BD4E90283D1AB83840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all list members, and any others who may be interested. I have not been active on this list (or any other list, for that matter) due to a very demanding work load, and some major health problems. I have finished the second prototype. It has been finished for several months. I have NOT had the opportunity to run the tests, yet. These tests are going to be extensive. I built the second prototype with two armatures. One according to the Joe Newman method, and one using conventional armature winding methods. I now have a motor with which I can test Newman's theory, and the results will be obtained against an equal conventional system. Because this will mean running two completely separate tests, the time involved will be approximately 30 days. Why 30 days? Because Joe Newman has stated innumerable times about how his system produces so much back EMF, that it exceeds the Voltage input. The extended time will be necessary to see what the decay rate of the batteries will be. I cannot run a two or a four hour test, and claim success. I have two complete sets of new batteries to run these tests with. These test results WILL be published. Now, to another subject: Evan Soule' states (Quote) "No, the energy machine utilizing the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests is a new Newman Motor/Generator that has been entirely constructed by Joe" (End Quote). This is not so!!! If you will go to the Jeff/Judy story and look at the photographs of the motor which Joe Newman Stole from our facility, you will see that it is the exact same motor. Furthermore, the Company which I am employed by, and myself have the copyright to THAT particular motor design. IF this is a new motor entirely constructed by Joe Newman, then he has infringed on our copyright. If this particular charade continues, I WILL have the motor seized by the Court System to be used as evidence. All any court needs to see is MY blueprints, along with MY photographs taken during the construction of the prototype, and compare them to the seized motor. It will be proved conclusively that the original prototype, and the motor in the photos which Newman/Soule' are using with the Air Dynamometer are one and the same motor. Isn't it strange that even the mounting holes drilled in the mounting pads are in the exact same location as the prototype. The reason for the holes in that particular position was so that the motor could be mounted to OUR water Dynamometer. (Not just any water Dynamometer, but our particular Water Dynamometer.). I apologize to the List members if this message has been a little acerbic, however, I want to be sure that the list members know that Newman/Soule' are still using the stolen prototype. Regards, Norm Biss Erie, Pa. 7-12-00 normpems@erie.net Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >BTW, Norman Biss wanted to finish the second Newman "production motor", > > >never heard of him having it finished and tested it. > > >He still owes us his test results... > > > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > > > No, the energy machine utilizing the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests is a new > > Newman Motor/Generator that has been entirely constructed by Joe. > > > > Regards, Evan > > Hi Evan, > just had a look again at: > > http://www.josephnewman.com/picture_1.jpg > http://www.josephnewman.com/test_results.html > > Looks pretty nice the new motor and also pretty professionell > done ! > Congratulations to Joe ! > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! --------------9879A7BD4E90283D1AB83840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all list members, and any others who may be interested.

I have not been active on this list (or any other list, for that matter) due to a very demanding work load, and some major health problems.

I have finished the second prototype.  It has been finished for several months.  I have NOT had the opportunity to run the tests, yet.  These tests are going to be extensive.  I built the second prototype with two armatures.  One according to the Joe Newman method, and one using conventional armature winding methods.  I now have a motor with which I can test Newman's theory, and the results will be obtained against an equal conventional system.

Because this will mean running two completely separate tests, the time involved will be approximately 30 days.  Why 30 days?
Because Joe Newman has stated innumerable times about how his system produces so much back EMF, that it exceeds the Voltage input.  The extended time will be necessary to see what the decay rate of the batteries will be.  I cannot run a two or a four hour test, and claim success.  I have two complete sets of new batteries to run these tests with.  These test results WILL be published.

Now, to another subject:  Evan Soule' states (Quote) "No, the energy machine utilizing the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests is a new Newman Motor/Generator that has been entirely constructed by Joe" (End Quote).  This is not so!!!  If you will go to the Jeff/Judy story and look at the photographs of the motor which Joe Newman Stole from our facility, you will see that it is the exact same motor.

Furthermore, the Company which I am employed by, and myself have the copyright to THAT particular motor design.  IF this is a new motor entirely constructed by Joe Newman, then he has infringed on our copyright.  If this particular charade continues, I WILL have the motor seized by the Court System to be used as evidence.  All any court needs to see is MY blueprints, along with MY photographs taken during the construction of the prototype, and compare them to the seized motor.  It will be proved conclusively that the original prototype, and the motor in the photos which Newman/Soule' are using with the Air Dynamometer are one and the same motor.  Isn't it strange that even the mounting holes drilled in the mounting pads are in the exact same location as the prototype.  The reason for the holes in that particular position was so that the motor could be mounted to OUR water Dynamometer. (Not just any water Dynamometer, but our particular Water Dynamometer.).

I apologize to the List members if this message has been a little acerbic, however, I want to be sure that the list members know that Newman/Soule' are still using the stolen prototype.

Regards,

Norm Biss
Erie, Pa.
7-12-00

normpems@erie.net

Stefan Hartmann wrote:

> >BTW, Norman Biss wanted to finish the second Newman "production motor",
> >never heard of him having it finished and tested it.
> >He still owes us his test results...
> >
> >Regards, Stefan.
>
> No, the energy machine utilizing the AIR DYNAMOMETER tests is a new
> Newman Motor/Generator that has been entirely constructed by Joe.
>
> Regards, Evan

Hi Evan,
just had a look again at:

http://www.josephnewman.com/picture_1.jpg
http://www.josephnewman.com/test_results.html

Looks pretty nice the new motor and also pretty professionell
done !
Congratulations to Joe !

Regards, Stefan.

--

Best regards, Stefan Hartmann.
--
Hartmann Multimedia Service,
Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany
Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498
email: harti@harti.com  info@ccard.net
http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB !

--------------9879A7BD4E90283D1AB83840-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 18:09:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA19532; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:05:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:05:35 -0700 Old-X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <396D19FD.25305307@erie.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:23:09 -0400 From: Norm Biss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D5B26F2029F3CAB014DD343A" Resent-Message-ID: <"okII73.0.zm4.VNHRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: "New" Newman motor picture Vs original prototype --------------D5B26F2029F3CAB014DD343A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all list members, here is a comparison of the motor that Evan Soule' claims is "new and constructed entirely by Joe", and the original prototype which Newman stole from our facility. Newman's "new" motor: http://www.josephnewman.com/picture_1.jpg Original Prototype motor: http://home.earthlink.net/~jeffjudy/newman/overall.jpg These pictures will show that these two motors are actually the very same motor. Apparently Newman/Soule' thinks everyone is so gullible as to buy this deception. Please do not be conned again by these two scam artists. Regards, Norm --------------D5B26F2029F3CAB014DD343A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all list members,

here is a comparison of the motor that Evan Soule' claims is "new and constructed entirely by Joe", and the original prototype which Newman stole from our facility.

Newman's "new" motor:  http://www.josephnewman.com/picture_1.jpg

Original Prototype motor:  http://home.earthlink.net/~jeffjudy/newman/overall.jpg

These pictures will show that these two motors are actually the very same motor.  Apparently Newman/Soule' thinks everyone is so gullible as to buy this deception.  Please do not be conned again by these two scam artists.

Regards,

Norm --------------D5B26F2029F3CAB014DD343A-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 18:38:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA30163; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:37:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:37:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:37:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200007130137.VAA20289@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Report on the conference on free energy technology in Berlin 8th of July Resent-Message-ID: <"cvnr03.0.AN7.nrHRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sam writes: >Its probably better there was not media attention at this point so that the >knowledge can get better entrenched so the big boys cannot stop it. Maybe, but Germany has shown the political will to elect a Green Party member as Chancellor, and now may be the time to get more people involved and better informed as to what is available on a broader level in that country. The vast majority of people in Germany are concerned about the environment, and actually have a stronger say in governmental policy there, than people do here. They are also better educated, and can better decipher the epistimology used by the industrialists to try and influence their thinking, and maintaining the status quo. Since they are almost completely dependant upon foreign sources for fuels, Germany has everything to gain by promoting and adopting free energy and renewable energy devices, and modes of transportation, as most of Europe does. Allowing the US to dictate to them or even to lead the way technologically in this critical area would be a very costly mistake for them. Gas prices there now are like $4.00 a gallon or more. They have some brilliant and capable engineers and inventors who could make a revolution in energy devices a reality, and unlike most fringe scientists here in the US, the Germans have Money, Equipment, More Free Time, Fewer Life Hassles, and a plethora of other advantages. I wish them well, and would urge the members of the New Energy Movement there to quintuple their efforts to get the media to cover these events while the political structure is in their favor. Take it from an old Zeitgeist Surfer - When the wave comes your way, get on it and go! Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 18:58:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA04493; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:58:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:58:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000713095157.00ae3680@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:51:57 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood In-Reply-To: <396CD6CA.68568A27@harti.com> References: <396BA086.2790E0D2@harti.com> <396BB3EA.7C9C6870@harti.com> <396C731E.1D350931@harti.com> <396CAD03.37E59310@info2000.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RDrE_1.0.-51.r8IRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Stefan Hartmann wrote: >Hope the fan chart is correct in required horsepower and >that this was not done via measuring the HP via an inefficient >AC induction motor electrical input power and saying this is >the required HP to turn the fan mechanically. Looking at the picture of the fan blade, the fact that the ends of the blade are squared off (rather than being rounded or pointy) suggests that the fan is intended to be used in a ducted situation. This is strengthened by the fact that it is classed as an "exhaust" fan - an exhaust fan is never run in a situation where the air from the blowing side can simply recirculate around to the sucking side. http://www.grainger.com/cgi-bin/ngs?231172YXkk3623kk3C200 So this explains the difference in horsepower required to drive it. If the fan is in the open so that air can freely circulate from front to back, then very little work has to be done and it consumes very little power. If it is mounted in a duct so that it has to drag air from an enclosed volume along a possibly very long duct, then a significant pressure drop will be produced, and the fan motor will have to consume a lot more power to pump against the pressure drop - as indicated in the Dayton catalog. One can't help wondering if Newman is fully aware of what he is doing (ie trying to pull a fast one), or whether he just blunders along trying different things until he comes up with an anomalous result and then gets all excited about it not realising he is making just another foolish mistake. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 19:08:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08526; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:08:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:08:24 -0700 Message-ID: <396D1E4A.F25AAE18@harti.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:41:30 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John Dormer (Automatic_Jack)" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BE905.E6045576@texas.net> <396C69D3.6927F15E@harti.com> <396C1CFB.9E3E1AB3@texas.net> <396CCE5E.F86FA729@harti.com> <396CC446.9B4C6C4E@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n65jr2.0._42.OIIRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prof. Meyl neutrino power translation I would translate it this way: "John Dormer (Automatic_Jack)" schrieb: > > I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. > > "Andererseits wird bei der energietechnischen Nutzung der > Teslastrahlung gleich von drei Seiten - über physikalische > Beobachtungen, übermathematische Herleitungen und an Hand > historischer Dokumente - der Nachweis geführt, daß es sich > bei den freien Energien, bei Radiant-Energy oder Raumenergie um > Neutrino-Power handelt, daß die dabei genutzten Raumquanten mit > Neutrinos gleichzusetzen sind, und daß es sich bei Od, bei Orgon, > bei Tachyonen etc. um die Beschreibung speziefischer > neutrinoeigenschaften handeln muß. So gelingt eine Interpretation > unterschiedlichster Konzepte zur freien Energie. Das Leuchten > der Sonne, die wachsende Erde, die Photosysnthese und die > Lebensenergie werden schlüssig erklärt, ebenso wie bekannte > Erfindungen, z. B. von Tesla, Schauberger, Coler, Searl, Seike > u. v. m." On the other hand, while using the energy generated by the Tesla Radiation , the proof is supported in three ways - physical observations, mathematical derivation, and available historical documents - that free energy i.e. the radiant or space energy (Zero Point Energy), is generated by Neutrino Power. That means, that the used Space Quanta are in reality Neutrinos and the words Od, Orgon and Tachyonen are just explanation words for specific properties of the Neutrinos. Thus we have different explanations of free energy. So we can explain different concepts regarding free energy, also mysterious effects like: the Glowing of the sun, the increasing size(diameter) of the earth, photosynthesis and the life energies are exactly explained and also known inventions like the ones from: Tesla, Schauberger, Coler, Searl, Seike and many more. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 19:24:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15939; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:24:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:24:18 -0700 Message-ID: <396D275F.47DE1446@harti.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:20:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TPa4W.0.ou3.HXIRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: [Fwd: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ?] Maybe John is right in his assumptions ? Maybe the HP ratings are just only valid when mounted in a duct ? Maybe these are the real HP ratings in the Grainger catalog ? I guess somebody has to call Grainger and ask the tech support department, how they did the measurements for this HP rating.. Best regards, Stefan. John Winterflood wrote: > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >Hope the fan chart is correct in required horsepower and > >that this was not done via measuring the HP via an inefficient > >AC induction motor electrical input power and saying this is > >the required HP to turn the fan mechanically. > > Looking at the picture of the fan blade, the fact that the > ends of the blade are squared off (rather than being rounded > or pointy) suggests that the fan is intended to be used > in a ducted situation. This is strengthened by the fact > that it is classed as an "exhaust" fan - an exhaust fan > is never run in a situation where the air from the blowing > side can simply recirculate around to the sucking side. > > http://www.grainger.com/cgi-bin/ngs?231172YXkk3623kk3C200 > > So this explains the difference in horsepower required to > drive it. If the fan is in the open so that air can freely > circulate from front to back, then very little work has > to be done and it consumes very little power. If it is > mounted in a duct so that it has to drag air from an > enclosed volume along a possibly very long duct, then a > significant pressure drop will be produced, and the fan > motor will have to consume a lot more power to pump against > the pressure drop - as indicated in the Dayton catalog. > > One can't help wondering if Newman is fully aware of > what he is doing (ie trying to pull a fast one), or > whether he just blunders along trying different things > until he comes up with an anomalous result and then > gets all excited about it not realising he is making > just another foolish mistake. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 19:27:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA17037; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:26:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: <396D27C5.2D9E69FF@harti.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:21:57 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John Dormer (Automatic_Jack)" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396BE905.E6045576@texas.net> <396C69D3.6927F15E@harti.com> <396C1CFB.9E3E1AB3@texas.net> <396CCE5E.F86FA729@harti.com> <396CC446.9B4C6C4E@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ICeXY.0.0A4.-YIRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Prof. Meyl neutrino power translation I would translate it this way: "John Dormer (Automatic_Jack)" schrieb: > > I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. > > "Andererseits wird bei der energietechnischen Nutzung der > Teslastrahlung gleich von drei Seiten - über physikalische > Beobachtungen, übermathematische Herleitungen und an Hand > historischer Dokumente - der Nachweis geführt, daß es sich > bei den freien Energien, bei Radiant-Energy oder Raumenergie um > Neutrino-Power handelt, daß die dabei genutzten Raumquanten mit > Neutrinos gleichzusetzen sind, und daß es sich bei Od, bei Orgon, > bei Tachyonen etc. um die Beschreibung speziefischer > neutrinoeigenschaften handeln muß. So gelingt eine Interpretation > unterschiedlichster Konzepte zur freien Energie. Das Leuchten > der Sonne, die wachsende Erde, die Photosysnthese und die > Lebensenergie werden schlüssig erklärt, ebenso wie bekannte > Erfindungen, z. B. von Tesla, Schauberger, Coler, Searl, Seike > u. v. m." On the other hand, while using the energy generated by the Tesla Radiation , the proof is supported in three ways - physical observations, mathematical derivation, and available historical documents - that free energy i.e. the radiant or space energy (Zero Point Energy), is generated by Neutrino Power. That means, that the used Space Quanta are in reality Neutrinos and the words Od, Orgon and Tachyonen are just explanation words for specific properties of the Neutrinos. Thus we have different explanations of free energy. So we can explain different concepts regarding free energy, also mysterious effects like: the Glowing of the sun, the increasing size(diameter) of the earth, photosynthesis and the life energies are exactly explained and also known inventions like the ones from: Tesla, Schauberger, Coler, Searl, Seike and many more. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 12 19:53:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA26717; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:52:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:52:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000713104557.00ae7ea0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:45:57 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood In-Reply-To: <396D275F.47DE1446@harti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DhB9O1.0.AX6.JxIRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Stefan Hartmann wrote: >Maybe the HP ratings are just only valid >when mounted in a duct ? Maybe these are the real >HP ratings in the Grainger catalog ? >I guess somebody has to call Grainger and ask the tech support >department, how they did the measurements for this HP rating.. Not much point in finding out how Dayton measured their HP rating - a simpler test would be to just run a conventional motor (ie A/C squirrel cage) in the same open room fan loaded situation and at the same RPM as the Newman motor and compare their power consumptions (being careful to measure the real A/C motor power and not just reactive amps x volts!) A better test still would see both a conventional motor and a Newman motor _on the same shaft_ with the fan. Then they could be perfectly compared cancelling out all sources of friction. Just switch one motor ON and the other OFF, adjust the RPM to be the same, and compare the power consumption. This is the sort of test Newman should have done in any case before getting all excited about it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 01:49:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA22017; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:48:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:48:41 -0700 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: "freenrg-l" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:46:16 +0200 Message-ID: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"i0xvw3.0.sN5.f9ORv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Hi, Take a look... http://www.dimensional.com/~hyperion/rocket.html ciao, Stefano -------------------------Stefano Innocenti --------------------------- http://utenti.tripod.it/altraenergia http://utenti.tripod.it/razzimodellismo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 04:47:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA23241; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:47:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:47:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01bfecc0$cc44cc40$7827a6d4@skynet.be> From: "Jean-Jacques Lauture" To: References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DGFgC.0.-g5.LnQRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16160 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Good work! Best wishes and good luck and some references .... JJL > http://www.cordis.lu/lift/src/newslet.htm. > > LIFT provides a range of services for contractors. These include: > > 1.Taking part in concertation and/or thematic network meetings where > LIFT can provide information about financing and business planning issues. > 2.Organisation of business plan workshops targeted at contractors > within specific RTD programmes. > 3.Organisation of exploitation plan clinics. Together with other > experts LIFT provides contractors with individual feedback on their > technology implementation plan. > > "Clinics provide contractors with the opportunity to present their > exploitation plan to a panel of four experts including a technology > specialist, a marketing professional, an IPR expert from the IPR helpdesk > and a finance professional provided by LIFT. A debate between contractors > allows them to exchange views and good practices. 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More information on > these seminars is available on our website http://www.lift.lu. > Please do not hesitate to contact us. > LIFT > Jean-Christophe de Tauzia > 11, rue de Bitbourg > L-1273 Luxembourg > Phone: +352 428001 > Fax: +352 428003 > Email: jc.de-tauzia@lift.lu > Internet: http://www.lift.lu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 04:50:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA25076; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:50:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:50:07 -0700 Message-ID: <396DABF9.C6DD131@harti.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:46:01 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9GSrv1.0.j76.kpQRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefano Innocenti schrieb: > > Hi, Take a look... > > http://www.dimensional.com/~hyperion/rocket.html > > ciao, Stefano I just visited that site and saw the water rocket ! Congratulations ! Very Cool ! I used to play with gunpowder rockets when I was 15 or 16 years old and did my own gunpowder, cause my parents had a pharmacie. All days long big smoke rings in my parents garden and the neighbours were angry ! :) I guess NASA should be interested in this technology by now ! -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 04:52:39 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA26922; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:52:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:52:23 -0700 Message-ID: <396DAC85.4D1F3523@harti.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:48:21 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <3.0.6.32.20000713104557.00ae7ea0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-7gtv3.0.Ua6.trQRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? I agree with John , that the last test with 2 motors on the same shaft would be the best test to prove it right or wrong. John Winterflood wrote: > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >Maybe the HP ratings are just only valid > >when mounted in a duct ? Maybe these are the real > >HP ratings in the Grainger catalog ? > >I guess somebody has to call Grainger and ask the tech support > >department, how they did the measurements for this HP rating.. > > Not much point in finding out how Dayton measured their HP > rating - a simpler test would be to just run a conventional > motor (ie A/C squirrel cage) in the same open room fan loaded > situation and at the same RPM as the Newman motor and > compare their power consumptions (being careful to measure > the real A/C motor power and not just reactive amps x volts!) > > A better test still would see both a conventional motor and > a Newman motor _on the same shaft_ with the fan. Then they > could be perfectly compared cancelling out all sources of > friction. Just switch one motor ON and the other OFF, > adjust the RPM to be the same, and compare the power > consumption. > > This is the sort of test Newman should have done in any case > before getting all excited about it. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 07:19:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA02872; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:18:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:18:38 -0700 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:44:29 +0200 Message-ID: <01bfecc8$1615b940$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RHiPC3.0.ni.z-SRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Stefan Hartmann A: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Data: giovedė 13 luglio 2000 13.50 Oggetto: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Thanks for congratulations... But... It's not a work of mine, I've found this site through another Rocketry list... It seems very strange (IMHO) that a high temperature ignition could dissociate water... Anyway... Rocketry is another good hobby, like free energy research... ciao, Stefano >Stefano Innocenti schrieb: >> >> Hi, Take a look... >> >> http://www.dimensional.com/~hyperion/rocket.html >> >> ciao, Stefano > >I just visited that site and saw the water rocket ! >Congratulations ! >Very Cool ! >I used to play with gunpowder rockets when I was 15 or 16 years old >and did my own gunpowder, cause my parents had a pharmacie. >All days long big smoke rings in my parents garden and the neighbours >were angry ! >:) > >I guess NASA should be interested in this technology by now ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 08:20:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA30644; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:20:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:20:04 -0700 Message-ID: <006101bfecde$55922840$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <01bfecc8$1615b940$3900fd80@zio-stefo> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"2oyhK1.0.bU7.auTRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Water As Fuel Does anyone know of a way to create a flash or moment of high temperature? We could use water to run our engines on if we used water mist to burn and water droplets to cool the burn just like cars presently burn the gasoline vapor and use the gasoline droplets to cool the heat produced. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefano Innocenti To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Stefan Hartmann A: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Data: giovedė 13 luglio 2000 13.50 Oggetto: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Thanks for congratulations... But... It's not a work of mine, I've found this site through another Rocketry list... It seems very strange (IMHO) that a high temperature ignition could dissociate water... Anyway... Rocketry is another good hobby, like free energy research... ciao, Stefano >Stefano Innocenti schrieb: >> >> Hi, Take a look... >> >> http://www.dimensional.com/~hyperion/rocket.html >> >> ciao, Stefano > >I just visited that site and saw the water rocket ! >Congratulations ! >Very Cool ! >I used to play with gunpowder rockets when I was 15 or 16 years old >and did my own gunpowder, cause my parents had a pharmacie. >All days long big smoke rings in my parents garden and the neighbours >were angry ! >:) > >I guess NASA should be interested in this technology by now ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 11:20:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA14317; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000713181842.36943.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.28.94.219] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Newmanīs new motor...Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:18:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"MAE1f2.0.aV3.fWWRv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >He still owes us his test results... If you truly belive joe owes us anything than you must also think that a prostitute owes you love... Give it up... Because joe never will... Timothy... >From: Stefan Hartmann >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy >, "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , > "ou-builders@egroups.com" >Subject: [FG]: Newmanīs new motor...Re: Mechanical fan blade power >requirements ? >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:56:14 +0200 > >Evan Soule wrote: > > > > The AIR DYNAMOMETER results are with a completely new Newman >Motor/Generator. > >Hi Evan, >this is not the "Sledge-Hammer-Story" Biss-Newman motor anymore ? > >Was this new motor manufactured professionally by another company now >or did Joe it now alone ? > >BTW, Norman Biss wanted to finish the second Newman "production motor", >never heard of him having it finished and tested it. >He still owes us his test results... > >Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > >Thanks Evan for the information. > > >Is this still the older > > >titled "production motor" > > >from Newman or already any new motor model ? > > > > > > > > >Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 11:56:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA18302; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20000713185523.703.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.28.80.211] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:55:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zdTei.0.qT4._2XRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >A better test still would see both a conventional motor and >a Newman motor _on the same shaft_ with the fan. Then they >could be perfectly compared cancelling out all sources of >friction. Just switch one motor ON and the other OFF, >adjust the RPM to be the same, and compare the power >consumption. > John... This would not work... Just take any mixed matched motors and attach them with a shaft (NO fan) then you would see that all motors has drag when driven... Drag from one is not the same as from another... one will take more to drive the other. In fact if you gave me two identical DC motors... I could show you how one was 16 times more efficient then the other... just by adding one small diode...LOL... Simple fact... any test done by the manufacturer is skewed!!! after all they want there product to sell! And over rating horse power for a fan is just one way to make sure your motor will last for years... Timothy... >From: John Winterflood >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:45:57 +0800 > >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >Maybe the HP ratings are just only valid > >when mounted in a duct ? Maybe these are the real > >HP ratings in the Grainger catalog ? > >I guess somebody has to call Grainger and ask the tech support > >department, how they did the measurements for this HP rating.. > >Not much point in finding out how Dayton measured their HP >rating - a simpler test would be to just run a conventional >motor (ie A/C squirrel cage) in the same open room fan loaded >situation and at the same RPM as the Newman motor and >compare their power consumptions (being careful to measure >the real A/C motor power and not just reactive amps x volts!) > >A better test still would see both a conventional motor and >a Newman motor _on the same shaft_ with the fan. Then they >could be perfectly compared cancelling out all sources of >friction. Just switch one motor ON and the other OFF, >adjust the RPM to be the same, and compare the power >consumption. > >This is the sort of test Newman should have done in any case >before getting all excited about it. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 14:10:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA02151; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:05:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <396E2DFF.AB31C5A1@harti.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:00:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" References: <396D19FD.25305307@erie.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hrQ2Q1.0.SX.yxYRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Paint it black ! Re: "New" Newman motor picture Vs original prototype Hi All, maybe Joe Newman just listened to an old Rolling Stones song and said to himself: Paint it black ! Voila a new motor ! :) Double grin. Anyway, looks pretty much like the old "production motor", maybe he rewired a bit the coils for better commutation. Best regards, Stefan. Norm Biss wrote: > > To all list members, > > here is a comparison of the motor that Evan Soule' claims is "new and > constructed entirely by Joe", and the original prototype which Newman > stole from our facility. > > Newman's "new" motor: http://www.josephnewman.com/picture_1.jpg > > Original Prototype motor: > http://home.earthlink.net/~jeffjudy/newman/overall.jpg > > These pictures will show that these two motors are actually the very > same motor. Apparently Newman/Soule' thinks everyone is so gullible > as to buy this deception. Please do not be conned again by these two > scam artists. > > Regards, > > Norm -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 16:22:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA16910; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:22:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:22:19 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Dingle watercar motor... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:21:37 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <39649B42.FBD6FFBA@harti.com> <396A53D9.8363D3EE@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <396A53D9.8363D3EE@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA16880 Resent-Message-ID: <"Bvim1.0.384.hyaRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:53:13 +0200: >How do you create Hydrinos ?? >Is there any easy trick ? [snip] See www.blacklightpower.com , and possibly also the Papp engine patents. The "easy trick" may well be embodied in the Dingle vehicle. IMO it usually entails "exploding" a combination of hydrogen and an appropriate catalyst (see Blacklight Power for a list). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 16:23:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17395; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:23:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:23:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bfed21$154f85a0$7fd666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Water As Fuel Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:21:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gikPB3.0.dF4.WzaRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mr. Beaty has information about using a magnetron to vaporize water, causeing little explosions...or somthing like that...look it up on his website. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Garza To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: [FG]: Water As Fuel >Does anyone know of a way to create a flash or moment of high temperature? >We could use water to run our engines on if we used water mist to burn and >water droplets to cool the burn just like cars presently burn the gasoline >vapor and use the gasoline droplets to cool the heat produced. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Stefano Innocenti >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:44 AM >Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel > > >-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: Stefan Hartmann >A: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Data: giovedė 13 luglio 2000 13.50 >Oggetto: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel > > >Thanks for congratulations... But... It's not a work of mine, I've found >this site through another Rocketry list... >It seems very strange (IMHO) that a high temperature ignition could >dissociate water... >Anyway... Rocketry is another good hobby, like free energy research... > >ciao, Stefano > > >>Stefano Innocenti schrieb: >>> >>> Hi, Take a look... >>> >>> http://www.dimensional.com/~hyperion/rocket.html >>> >>> ciao, Stefano >> >>I just visited that site and saw the water rocket ! >>Congratulations ! >>Very Cool ! >>I used to play with gunpowder rockets when I was 15 or 16 years old >>and did my own gunpowder, cause my parents had a pharmacie. >>All days long big smoke rings in my parents garden and the neighbours >>were angry ! >>:) >> >>I guess NASA should be interested in this technology by now ! > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 17:16:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03557; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:15:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:15:37 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:18:19 -0600 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Resent-Message-ID: <"PofNc2.0.Qt.fkbRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: JOSEPH NEWMAN RESPONDS TO NORMAN BISS The following is posted as a result of the initiated lies, insults, and attacks upon Joseph Newman that were posted to this List by Mr. Norman Biss: ___________________________________ July 13, 2000 JOSEPH NEWMAN RESPONDS TO NORMAN BISS Norm Biss: You are a lying scum, coward, and thief! You are violating the very Contract that you and your scum-boss signed after paying my way to and from the company that employ's you. With respect to my technology, you have invented NOTHING! You have NO copyrights to my technology and for you to claim otherwise is a violation of Federal Law. The attached copies of STRICT CONFIDENTIAL DISCLOSURE Documents signed by YOU and your BOSS on June 1, 1998 so prove the truth of what I say. Such Documents also prove that you are LYING SCUM: you only made drawings from WHAT I TOLD YOU! I intend to sue YOU and YOUR BOSS! Come on, you LYING SCUM: I know you have NO money --- you were "piss-ant broke" when I was in Pennsylvania. You borrowed money from me, which you still owe to me, and you also owed your friend a large amount of money that provided you with lodging. The scum-company that employs you has obviously put you up to your attack against me and my technology. I look forward to having you and your boss in Court --- anywhere! [Signed] Joseph Westley Newman P.S. It should be obvious to anyone what a liar is Norm Biss and the owner of the company that employs him: they consistently claimed that my invention didn't work and now they are attempting to claim that the technology is theirs. Such contradictory behavior underscores the lying nature of "Norm Biss and associates". Any sincere attorney in Pennsylvania that would like to represent in Pennsylvania my lawsuit against Norm Biss/associates should contact me at: (480) 657-3722. ___________________________________ CONTRACTS SIGNED BY NORMAN BISS AND JOSEPH PUGLIESE: ___________________________________ TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN We, the undersigned, on this day of June 1, 1998, are being shown and having explained to us a new energy device which has energy output greater than energy input (by use of Magnetic Energy) and which has U.S. and foreign patents pending. We are being shown this in strict confidence and we will not disclose this information to anyone else. We also agree that any improvements or inventions which we may develop from or as a result of the disclosure we have been shown and had explained to us will be the sole property of Joseph Westley Newman [Signed] NORMAN M. BISS [Signed] JOSEPH PUGLIESE ___________________________________ POTENTIAL CONTRACT BETWEEN: Joseph Newman and his Motor Company and Joe Pugliese and his Motor Company: Joe Pugliese has option to start production of ENERGY MACHINE INVENTION of Joseph Newman for a given area after: 1st building 2 Prototypes of Drawing given Norm Biss as soon as possible - 1 prototype goes to Joseph Newman and 1 to Joe Pugliese. NO ONE can Sell the Energy Invention other than Joseph Newman or people he contracts to do so as Distributors, even if Joe Pugliese and/or his Company - Pennsylvania Electric Motor Service Corp. - chooses to produce it - when and if Contract is consummated. In that event, Joe Pugliese chooses the following area for Production for which Joseph Newman and his assignees make sales of Energy Invention in said area. If Joe Pugliese cannot produce said Invention relative to the demand of said area, then an additional Manufacturer can be contracted with to meet the demand. If Contract is consummated as stated above, then Joseph Newman or his assignees receives 25% of the profit of Joe Pugliese's production of the Joseph Newman Energy Invention. [Signed] JOSEPH PUGLIESE [Signed] JOSEPH NEWMAN June 2, 1998 ___________________________________ NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT This agreement is entered between Joseph Westley Newman (hereinafter referred to as "Newman") and Pennsylvania Electric Motor, Inc. (hereinafter referred to as "contractor") this 1 day of June, 1998. Whereas, Newman is engaged in the development, manufacture, and sale of products which involve the development and utilization of information not generally known in the industry or industries in which Newman is or may become engaged; which information may, without limitation, include information relating to research, development, inventions, manufacture, purchasing, accounting, engineering, marketing, merchandising, and selling (hereinafter collectively referred to as "the secret information"); Whereas, in performing its functions for Newman, contractor will necessarily be given access to secret information, which will be identified by Newman as such; Whereas, the use of the secret information by, or its disclosure to, any person or organization other than Newman and Newman's employees or contractors would be highly detrimental and damaging to Newman; and Whereas, the contractor seeks to perform services or provide products or materials to Newman which may be paid for by Newman; Now, therefore, in consideration of the mutual promises, covenants and conditions contained herein, the parties agree as follows: Section 1. Nondisclosure of secret information. a. Nondisclosure. The contractor agrees that neither it nor any of its subsidiaries, divisions, employers, employees, principals, agents, independent contractors, or other persons or organizations over which it has control, will at any time during or after its relationship with Newman, directly or indirectly use any secret information for any purposes not associated with Newman's activities, or disseminate or disclose any of the secret information to any person or organization not connected with Newman, without the express written consent of Newman. Contractor also agrees that it will undertake all necessary and appropriate steps to ensure that the secrecy of the secret information in its possession will be maintained. b. Return of documents. Upon termination of its relationship with Newman, the contractor agrees that all documents, records, notebooks, and similar repositories of or containing secret information, including copies thereof, then in its possession, whether prepared by it or others, will be left with Newman. c. Noncompetition. After termination of its relationship with Newman, contractor agrees that neither it nor any of its subsidiaries, divisions, employers, employees, principals, agents, independent contractors or other persons or organizations over which it has control, will, directly or indirectly, render services to any person or organization in, or about to become engaged in, the research or development, production, marketing or selling of a product, process or service of Newman, without the express written consent of Newman; nor will contractor, its subsidiaries, divisions, employers, employees, principals, agents, independent contractors or other persons or organizations over which it has control, directly or indirectly, become engaged in the research or development, production, marketing or selling of a product, process or service which resembles or competes with a product, process, or service of Newman, without the express written consent of Newman. Section 2. Enforcement. In the event that the contractor shall breach this nondisclosure agreement, or in the event that such breach appears to be an imminent possibility, Newman shall be entitled to all legal and equitable remedies afforded it by law as a result thereof, and may, in addition to any and all other forms of relief, recover from contractor all reasonable costs and attorney's fees encountered by it in seeking any such remedy. Section 3. Binding effect. This agreement shall be governed for all purposes by the laws of the State of Mississippi. If any provision of this agreement is declared void, or otherwise unenforceable, such provision shall be deemed to have been severed from this agreement, which shall otherwise remain in full force and effect. In witness whereof, the parties executed the foregoing agreement on the date first shown above. [Signed] JOSEPH WESTLEY NEWMAN [Signed] JOSEPH PUGLIESE, Contractor From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 22:55:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA02133; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:54:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:54:49 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:54:08 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <4jatmsg5556tkeq5pdm5rk3nn5fheubv1q@4ax.com> References: <20000713185523.703.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000713185523.703.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA02099 Resent-Message-ID: <"WFJVB2.0.EX.eigRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16171 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Timothy Flytch's message of Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:55:22 PDT: [snip] >John... This would not work... Just take any mixed matched motors and attach >them with a shaft (NO fan) then you would see that all motors has drag when >driven... Drag from one is not the same as from another... one will take >more to drive the other. [snip] I don't think so. Each will drive both. The motor that is running will drive itself and the other one. Furthermore, since both are adjusted to run at the same rpm, any speed dependant load changes are eliminated. As far as I can see this should be a good test. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 23:15:52 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA17297; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000714061450.8196.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.225.174] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:14:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wQdZP2.0.5E4.z_gRv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16172 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This test was/is used by modelers to determine wattage of motors... It has serious flaws... It is not just a matter of bearing friction but of coil reactance... Timothy... >From: Robin van Spaandonk >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? >Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:54:08 +1000 > >In reply to Timothy Flytch's message of Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:55:22 PDT: >[snip] > >John... This would not work... Just take any mixed matched motors and >attach > >them with a shaft (NO fan) then you would see that all motors has drag >when > >driven... Drag from one is not the same as from another... one will take > >more to drive the other. >[snip] >I don't think so. Each will drive both. The motor that is running will >drive >itself and the other one. Furthermore, since both are adjusted to run at >the >same rpm, any speed dependant load changes are eliminated. As far as I can >see this should be a good test. > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do >to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 13 23:54:12 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA17498; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:53:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:53:48 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:53:08 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <43etms06fspj288oon7i1j9lmasnual9ct@4ax.com> References: <20000714061450.8196.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000714061450.8196.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA17478 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ph8Xr2.0.JH4.yZhRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16173 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Timothy Flytch's message of Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:14:50 PDT: >This test was/is used by modelers to determine wattage of motors... It has >serious flaws... It is not just a matter of bearing friction but of coil >reactance... > >Timothy... As the motor not in use is not electrically connected, it shouldn't have any reactance. The reactance of the motor that is in use is the whole point of the experiment. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 01:01:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA26288; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000714080010.15743.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.254.40.178] From: "Memo Mc Cloude" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:00:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ugs7N3.0.TQ6.kYiRv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Deliberate Lies and Cover-ups Regarding the So-called Energy Crisis < From: "Gregory J. Gay" To: References: <20000714080010.15743.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"iFavJ1.0.y03.O6oRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Deliberate Lies and Cover-ups Regarding the So-called Energy Crisis I hate to say it because I may be wrong, but is it just me or does this email as well as the web page seem like nothing more than an elaborate "advertisement" for the Newman machine. And gee... what timing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Memo Mc Cloude" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:00 AM Subject: [FG]: Deliberate Lies and Cover-ups Regarding the So-called Energy Crisis > < You guys should check this link here: > > http://weschmitt.homepage.com/energy.html > > This site turns on powerful ray o-light into > dark tunnel of So-called Energy Crisis. > > You can ask yourself: Who are these money sick > people, across the earth that suppress all of these energy machines??? > > Systematically achieving their goals year after year, they own all the > news media, politicians, and the rest! > > Where is that MAN or WOMAN that can liberate this earth from these > thefts stilling sacred labor of people of Earth? > > Dear God, and Great Cosmic beings who governs the destiny of Earth. > I appeal to you this moment (that this call, may also be multiplied by the > power of every true heart who may be reading this email, across the earth) > > That in due time this earth and her people maybe liberated from > capitalist, communist conspirators and the money changers in the land! > > Thus I call for the empowerment and divine intelligence to descend on behalf > of all who could and can do something towards freedom of all life upo earth! > I call for the world wide replacement of every corrupt private or government > officer who is not serving good of all mankind! To be replaced by man or > woman who is heart and mind is set to serve all life. > > Further I call: Great Spiritual Powerful beings of Light to protect every > inventor of free energy machine and to expose all suppress inventions that > are already been invented by inventors, with a great price of their life's > that are systematically one by one killed by the forces of evil in > embodiment! So people can continue to buy their energy products and > services. > > Dear heavenly beings of Light, you know who these people are on earth good > and evil, > who ever and where ever they maybe? Empower, protect, defend and direct > those who loves to serve all life and remove those dark spirits in > embodiment, by taking them back hence where they came from, so they can no > longer harm any part of life or rape the earth and her resources for their > dead selfish ends! > > I ask this prayer and call to by pass beyond all limitations of time and > space and be multiplied by the full power of the hearts of all good people > in across the earth, that this invocation re-udjusted accordance with the > Divine love, balance and harmony by the power of the Fohat and Spiritual > Alchemy, to manifest from etheric realms onto the physical octave of lower > dimensions of matter, > the original intent of: freedom from all limitations, love from all fear and > suppression, wisdom from all ignorance of the law of one, as above so below, > worlds without end... > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 11:38:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA23957; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:38:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01bfedc4$a4971180$5fa270d1@markross> From: "sparky" To: References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> <396DABF9.C6DD131@harti.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:51:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"SDrO7.0.4s5.BurRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16176 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Can you burn water? When you mix oxygen and hydrogen and heat ,the oxygen and hydrogen combine to form water. Now I am told that if I HEAT the water the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. I bet someone is haveing a good laugh! d;^) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 12:11:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05806; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:10:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:10:29 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:09:13 -0700 From: "Rick Dunn" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_2A727171.781976B3" Resent-Message-ID: <"h2Uv61.0.dQ1.bMsRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_2A727171.781976B3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are right. When you mix hydrogen and oxygen together, they will = recombine into water but only after a chemical reaction. This chemical = reaction is a very violent reaction. This is the way NASA got the Apollo = missions off the ground, so to speak. As far as disassociating hydrogen = and oxygen from water, you still need a chemical reaction to complete the = task. One way is with extreme heat. Rick >>> markross@xyz.net 07/14/00 11:38AM >>> Can you burn water? When you mix oxygen and hydrogen and heat ,the oxygen and hydrogen combine to form water. Now I am told that if I HEAT the = water the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. 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You are right. When you mix hydrogen and oxygen = together, they=20 will recombine into water but only after a chemical reaction. This = chemical=20 reaction is a very violent reaction. This is the way NASA got the = Apollo=20 missions off the ground, so to speak. As far as disassociating hydrogen = and=20 oxygen from water, you still need a chemical reaction to complete the = task. One=20 way is with extreme heat.
 
Rick

>>> markross@xyz.net 07/14/00 11:38AM=20 >>>
Can you burn water?  When you mix oxygen and hydrogen = and=20 heat ,the oxygen
and hydrogen combine  to form water. Now I am = told that=20 if I HEAT the water
the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen = and=20 then recombine to
burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. = I bet=20 someone is
haveing a good laugh! d;^)

--=_2A727171.781976B3-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 13:01:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA28308; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:00:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:00:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20000714200000.83806.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.202] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:00:00 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"FaYEa2.0.pv6.f5tRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >As the motor not in use is not electrically connected, it shouldn't have >any >reactance. True Robin, But this is assuming allot... 1)That the motor is very clean... No oil, or any other contaminates... 2) And there is no diode hidden anywhere... It makes a great thought model but in real life just the brush dust can greatly change the outcome... I have used this test in Real life... It is not as accurate as it would seem to be... Timothy... >From: Robin van Spaandonk >In reply to Timothy Flytch's message of Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:14:50 PDT: > > >This test was/is used by modelers to determine wattage of motors... It >has > >serious flaws... It is not just a matter of bearing friction but of coil > >reactance... > > > >Timothy... >As the motor not in use is not electrically connected, it shouldn't have >any >reactance. The reactance of the motor that is in use is the whole point of >the experiment. > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do >to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 13:32:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA09886; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:31:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:31:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01bfedc4$a4971180$5fa270d1@markross> References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> <396DABF9.C6DD131@harti.com> <001b01bfedc4$a4971180$5fa270d1@markross> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:30:53 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"DXUbo3.0.LQ2.jYtRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sparky - At 10:51 AM -0800 7/14/00, sparky wrote: >Now I am told that if I HEAT the water >the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to >burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. Think again, that's how it works. But it doesn't release any net energy; that is more energy than you had to begin with when you ignite the water. I think the fellow's engine is good fireworks but nothing more. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 14:21:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA30766; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:21:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:21:05 -0700 Message-ID: <396F832C.C8B412DF@harti.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:16:29 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> <396DABF9.C6DD131@harti.com> <001b01bfedc4$a4971180$5fa270d1@markross> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UWooq.0.dW7.0HuRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick, do you think the heat and the thrust from the rocket is exactly just the energy he had overcome to pump the water into the 400 bar pressure tank ? Maybe the hydrino effect from blacklightpower.com is here also at play ?? Regards, Stefan. Rick Monteverde schrieb: > > Sparky - > > At 10:51 AM -0800 7/14/00, sparky wrote: > > >Now I am told that if I HEAT the water > >the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to > >burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. > > Think again, that's how it works. But it doesn't release any net > energy; that is more energy than you had to begin with when you > ignite the water. I think the fellow's engine is good fireworks but > nothing more. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 15:15:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA21857; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:15:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:15:19 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:14:11 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:39:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel In-reply-to: To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2834ZYOAQ21SB X400-MTS-identifier: [;11418141700002/4889414@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"ENo7X1.0.QL5.s3vRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, As stated I don't see how it would work, however... With a conventional rocket engine of almost any fuel type, if you were to inject distilled liquid water into the exhaust plenum it would turn to instant steam. As steam it would expand to 1500 times it's liquid state volume, providing additional thrust. The price of distilled water compared to the price of just about any other form of propellant that would have to be burned for the same amount of additional thrust, would make for a more economical system. Add to that the weight reduction for much simpler storage tanks, versus caustic or extreme low temperature fuels, would help as well. They used to do this with military jet engines. Bill webriggs@concentric.net Briggs@XLNsystems.com >>Now I am told that if I HEAT the water >>the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to >>burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. >Think again, that's how it works. But it doesn't release any net >energy; that is more energy than you had to begin with when you >ignite the water. I think the fellow's engine is good fireworks but >nothing more. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 16:44:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA26820; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:43:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:43:36 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:42:52 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: <199vmso4dpa1h5h4h9ssfm043hg9b9pc99@4ax.com> References: <20000714200000.83806.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000714200000.83806.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA26683 Resent-Message-ID: <"LdyDi1.0.wY6.eMwRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Timothy Flytch's message of Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:00:00 PDT: >>As the motor not in use is not electrically connected, it shouldn't have >>any >>reactance. > >True Robin, But this is assuming allot... > >1)That the motor is very clean... No oil, or any other contaminates... > >2) And there is no diode hidden anywhere... > >It makes a great thought model but in real life just the brush dust can >greatly change the outcome... > >I have used this test in Real life... It is not as accurate as it would seem >to be... > >Timothy... [snip] Fair enough, but surely these are minor obstacles that can be checked for and removed? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 19:56:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA29193; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:56:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:56:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20000715025538.15831.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.2.99.123] From: "Mister Boffo" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:55:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"BkOD93.0.w77.DBzRv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Soil gradient probing >From: "Michael Johnston" > >******* I suspect they are related. One of the tests I am planning to run >in about 2 weeks is to take voltages between sets of two points in the >topsoil, at the Newark Mound complex in Newark, Ohio. This is an area that >has been dowsed and "probed" numerous times, by dowsers and sensitives, >some >of whom have mapped out their impression of "lines" radiating away from and >between mounds. I will likely use copper rod electrodes, and my Fluke 77. >I will try to determine if any gradients in potential exist in the areas >claimed by the dowsers. > My vote is that ley lines are related to electrical currents or >conductive bands in the bedrock and aquifers. It sounds like your test will likely involve two bare copper rods driven into the ground, several feet apart. This will measure the average difference in potential across the vertical slice of earth touching the length of both rods: _ _ | |---FLUKE METER---| | | | | | =-=-| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| | | |\/\/MEASURED\/\/\| | | |/\/\GRADIENT/\/\/| | |_|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|_| It occurs to me that there can be a sort of "3D measurement effect" here, if you insulate the shaft of the rods and only leave a small region of the tip exposed. In this way you could measure the _vertical_ or _diagonal_ differences in potiential. By pounding shaft-insulated rods into the ground right next to each other horizontally, but pounding one an additional foot or two down below the other rod, you can measure the vertical and/or diagonal potiental in the soil between the upper exposed tip and the lower exposed tip: _ | |-------- FLUKE METER -. HHH | HHH | HHH | HHH _ | HHH | |------------------' HHH HHH =-=-=-=HHH=HHH-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= HHH HHH | |\HHH /|_|/HHH \/\/\HHH \/\/HHH \/\HHH /\/HHH /\| |\ /|_|/ \/\/ A rather elaborate vertical measurement rod might use hollow tubing and an insulating plastic tubing to allow true vertical measurements. Insulated wires would run down from the top of the insulated tubing and connect to the inside of the two metal tube sections. This way, one rod can do the measurements of two rods. .--FLUKE--. | | | | `--. .----' HHH =-=HHH=-=-=-=- HHH HHH HHH /| |\ /\| |/\ \/HHH\/ /\HHH/\ \/HHH\/ /\HHH/\ \/| |\/ \|_|/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 20:54:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11970; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:54:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:54:04 -0700 Message-ID: <20000715035331.12425.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.70] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:53:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"RinJV.0.pw2.R1-Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: Rick Monteverde >Think again, that's how it works. But it doesn't release any net >energy; that is more energy than you had to begin with when you >ignite the water. I think the fellow's engine is good fireworks but >nothing more. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > On the same note Rick, if the water was just super heated to steam there would be a net gain in thrust... Right??? Timothy... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 21:10:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA17064; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:10:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20000715040940.1699.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.70] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:09:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"IkPEe.0.XA4.dG-Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: Robin van Spaandonk >Fair enough, but surely these are minor obstacles that can be checked for >and removed? Yes... But has he ever allowed anyone to try??? All I see is that he is doning ALL his own testing... Oh and letting someone ells watch... If it truly works he should send it off to one of the many testing companies. Then instead of just paying a lawyer to fight the patient office he could just have overwhelming prof??? But that just dose not seem like his style... Sounds awful shady... Or did I just miss the testimonial were it said "I took it home and disassembled/reassembled... tested over many days and found..."??? Timothy... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 22:40:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07831; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:40:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:40:02 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Mechanical fan blade power requirements ? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:39:23 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <20000715040940.1699.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000715040940.1699.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA07811 Resent-Message-ID: <"hfeE63.0.Gw1.oa_Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Timothy Flytch's message of Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:09:40 PDT: [snip] >But that just dose not seem like his style... Sounds awful shady... > >Or did I just miss the testimonial were it said "I took it home and >disassembled/reassembled... tested over many days and found..."??? [snip] No, I don't think you missed it... Joe has a habit of shooting himself in the foot in that regard. However, I thought the discussion was about potential test methods, not whether or not anyone would actually get a chance to carry them out (unless they build one of his motors themselves). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 22:41:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA08658; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:41:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:41:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <396F832C.C8B412DF@harti.com> References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> <396DABF9.C6DD131@harti.com> <001b01bfedc4$a4971180$5fa270d1@markross> <396F832C.C8B412DF@harti.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:41:11 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"2drxB2.0.B72.Gc_Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephan - >Hi Rick, >do you think the heat and the thrust from the rocket is exactly just the >energy he had overcome to pump the water into the 400 bar pressure tank >? About that I think, yes. Actually I think it absorbes energy. That water has to have its temperature raised in the process. The bottom line is mv^2. The squared term is the velocity, not the mass. If you want a bigger kick, work on getting a bigger v. Water just adds m. You might as well be adding some liquid metal or something that didn't burn. Of course the flames from burning water are more spectacular from a fireworks/visual perspective. But the velocity and energy it gets just comes from the regular rocket fuel being burned. Rocket fuel is it's own energy source *and* propellant mass, so it's nice stuff to fill your rocket tanks with, not water. NASA does fill its tanks with water, but it's been pre-cracked - hydrogen and oxyen in liquid form so there's plenty of energy potential there already. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 14 22:50:05 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA12735; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:49:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:49:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rick@mail.highsurf.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000715035331.12425.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000715035331.12425.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:49:34 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"HuI7m2.0.t63.pj_Rv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Timothy - >On the same note Rick, if the water was just super heated to steam >there would be a net gain in thrust... Right??? Right. A net gain in thrust proportional to a net increase in energy expended. Why not just use bigger fuel pumps, bigger ignition chamber, and fill the tanks all the way up with the good stuff instead of water? This water idea is just adding complexity. Water used to be used to give additional reaction mass to jets because it was cheaper than just pumping in more fuel than the engine could burn, that is, using unburnt fuel for reaction mass. Jets don't produce the relative exhaust velocity that a rocket can, and the mass they add to the stream is totally insignificant. They use scooped in air for reaction mass, so for a temporary boost, the added mass of water could be significant. At to any unusual exothermic reactions along the way from burning water, I think that is highly speculative in the absence of any evidence that it occurs. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 01:53:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA14270; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:53:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: <00ca01bfee38$ef7402c0$d52f9fca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: References: <20000715035331.12425.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:37:05 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JjwV63.0.tU3.AQ2Sv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16190 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Timothy: Exactly correct, according to classical theory: E = (MV^2)/2 (kinetic energy is mass/2 by velocity exhaust ^2) P = E/t (Power is rate of energy) P = (M/t)*(V^2)/2 2P = (M/t)*(V^2) (M/T) = 2P/(V^2) Thus, mass flow rate is twice power divided by SQUARE of exhaust velocity F = (M/t)* V ( =M *(V/t) = MA ) (force generated is: mass flow rate by exhaust vel) F = (2*P)/V Thus, the force increases with lower exhaust velocity for a given power. (Counterintuitive, I know.) Use four times as much mass per second at half the velocity requires the same power. The resulting force is twice as much as using the lesser mass rate at the higher exhaust velocity. What this means is he is transferring the higher energy of the solid rocket motor exhaust molecules into the water molecules (thermal transfer), resulting in a net gain of force. The penalty is the 'weight' of the water if used for flight. If NASA ever solved this, you would see water tanks strapped onto the shuttle instead of LH/LOX. CHEAP launches, eh? (LOL) Impulse propulsion is all about discarding mass at velocity to achieve vehicular acceleration. The problem is the amount of water (its 'weight' under acceleration): As an approximation, consider the exhaust velocity of LH2*LOX propellants: ~4400 m/s 1Kg per second -> 4400kg*m/s^2 Power = ((1 Kg /s )* (4400m/s)^2)/2 Force = 4400 Kg m/s^2 add water, 1 more kg/second (I know, somone's going to rip into this analyzing the thermal difference, go ahead...) 2 Kg/s, but the exhaust velocity drops as the energy is transferred into heating the water. The energy is divided into the mass flow rate, if the thermal transfer is uniform. Power: ((1 Kg /s )* (4400m/s)^2)/2 = ((2 Kg /s )* (V)^2)/2 V = (4400m/s)* 0.707 = 3111 m/s F = 6222 Kg m/s^2 More force results, simply by adding water. The catch is force requires more flow, hence more water storage. Hence a vehicle with twice the mass flow (and attendant mass reserve := 2x heavy) doesn't generate twice the force. Never gets to orbit. Perhaps there is a way around this, but I don't see it. Any ideas ? The author deviated from his original idea, which would have been the combustion of aluminium in water (which would have been a nice effort, but possibly difficult to achieve without clogging the nozzle ...). Maybe there would be a nicer electrical way to achieve this in the 'aluminium welding rod' engine method we read about occasionally. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Flytch To: Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 10:53 Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel | >From: Rick Monteverde | >Think again, that's how it works. But it doesn't release any net | >energy; that is more energy than you had to begin with when you | >ignite the water. I think the fellow's engine is good fireworks but | >nothing more. | > | >- Rick Monteverde | >Honolulu, HI | > | | On the same note Rick, if the water was just super heated to steam there | would be a net gain in thrust... Right??? | | Timothy... | ________________________________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com | | From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 01:54:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA14259; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:53:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: <00c901bfee38$ee6f15e0$d52f9fca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: References: <20000715025538.15831.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Soil gradient probing Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:48:40 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-r3m52.0.iU3.AQ2Sv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is normally done for mineral exploration. Outfits like Schlumberger, Halliburton, and many smaller ones make a lot of money performing 'resistivity surveys' as part of magneto-telluric exploration of suspected ore and hydrocarbon deposits. I know for a fact that they don't understand everything they get out of these surveys - I have had many discussions about how we could improve our seismic exploration techniques by using these methods in conjunction with seismic (acoustic) methods for mapping reservoirs and geologic structures. The resistivity should change in the presence of seismic energy, yielding more (different) detail of geology under the area of interest. Good luck with your experiments. If you really get serious, you can log your results on a computer using an A/D converter sampling at approx 1 millisecond. regards, Paul E. Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: Mister Boffo To: Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 09:55 Subject: [FG]: Soil gradient probing | >From: "Michael Johnston" | > | >******* I suspect they are related. One of the tests I am planning to run | >in about 2 weeks is to take voltages between sets of two points in the | >topsoil, at the Newark Mound complex in Newark, Ohio. This is an area that | >has been dowsed and "probed" numerous times, by dowsers and sensitives, | >some | >of whom have mapped out their impression of "lines" radiating away from and | >between mounds. I will likely use copper rod electrodes, and my Fluke 77. | >I will try to determine if any gradients in potential exist in the areas | >claimed by the dowsers. | > My vote is that ley lines are related to electrical currents or | >conductive bands in the bedrock and aquifers. | | It sounds like your test will likely involve two bare copper rods driven | into the ground, several feet apart. This will measure the average | difference in potential across the vertical slice of earth touching the | length of both rods: | _ _ | | |---FLUKE METER---| | | | | | | | =-=-| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | | |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| | | | |\/\/MEASURED\/\/\| | | | |/\/\GRADIENT/\/\/| | | |_|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|_| | | | It occurs to me that there can be a sort of "3D measurement effect" here, if | you insulate the shaft of the rods and only leave a small region of the tip | exposed. In this way you could measure the _vertical_ or _diagonal_ | differences in potiential. | | By pounding shaft-insulated rods into the ground right next to each other | horizontally, but pounding one an additional foot or two down below the | other rod, you can measure the vertical and/or diagonal potiental in the | soil between the upper exposed tip and the lower exposed tip: | _ | | |-------- FLUKE METER -. | HHH | | HHH | | HHH | | HHH _ | | HHH | |------------------' | HHH HHH | =-=-=-=HHH=HHH-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | HHH HHH | | |\HHH | /|_|/HHH | \/\/\HHH | \/\/HHH | \/\HHH | /\/HHH | /\| |\ | /|_|/ | \/\/ | | A rather elaborate vertical measurement rod might use hollow tubing and an | insulating plastic tubing to allow true vertical measurements. Insulated | wires would run down from the top of the insulated tubing and connect to the | inside of the two metal tube sections. This way, one rod can do the | measurements of two rods. | | .--FLUKE--. | | | | | | | `--. .----' | HHH | =-=HHH=-=-=-=- | HHH | HHH | HHH | /| |\ | /\| |/\ | \/HHH\/ | /\HHH/\ | \/HHH\/ | /\HHH/\ | \/| |\/ | \|_|/ | | | | ________________________________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com | | From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 04:47:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA15898; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:46:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:46:58 -0700 Message-ID: <39704E1E.578CF6AB@harti.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:42:22 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List References: <200006252204447.SM00254@m2w018.mail2web.com> <012e01bfe012$e132cfe0$0201a8c0@m> <395F9757.BB01FD70@harti.com> <001501bfe48f$4b6aa600$0201a8c0@m> <39606208.98C12F32@harti.com> <010d01bfe55c$e94f3f20$0201a8c0@m> <39644270.F1C85499@harti.com> <0 <008701bfeaf3$5faba460$0201a8c0@m> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xoFYM2.0.Fu3.ny4Sv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16191 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Watercar news. Hi All, I called yeasterday a guy in San Fransisco who has visited Mr. Dingle lately and also test drove the car himself and spoke with him. He has not much technical knowledge and really just wants to do a business plan for this. He told me, that the home power plant is just as big as a small Sony radio and it delivers huge power, but he was himself more interested in Dingleīs car, so he did not further look at this home power plant, too bad. It seems to be some kind of solid state free energy device to be and it recharges back its 12 Volts battery. Seems not to be a fuelcell ! Must be some solid state electronic device ! He also said, that Dingle is growing the plant in front of his house for the special oil he uses in his car engine and uses the exhaust water for faster growing, when I have understood this right. The plant is used for the oil in the car, so that also normal small cars drive like turbo-charged cars if they use this special plant oil instead of normal motor oil ! It seems the drag and the friction on the cylinders is very much reduced by it. He also mentioned, that Dingle has put things into the car motor room, that donīt have any function to prevent people to know too fast, how it works , so they are confused, because the invention is so easy to build he said. Well, I told him that I will call him back when he is back in September from the next Dingle visit. So this much for now. Regards, Stefan. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 08:05:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA28983; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:04:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <013101bfee6c$a8322340$d52f9fca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: "freenrg L" Cc: "Mark D Edwards" Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:40:59 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9MKIK3.0.e47.zr7Sv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... I have to wonder what the frequency of the vibration would have been, and whether it was an artifact of the static buildup interfering with the local power grid.... If not, there may be a clue to making better electron accumulators ala Avremenko. cheers, ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilty Information Systems Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 03:51 Subject: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... | If any of you caught a recent national weather radar map, you may've | noticed that NE Ohio got slammed *quite* well with severe | thunderstorms today. | | During the first of the three "lines" that moved through, I came about | as close as I would _ever_ want to be to a direct lightning strike... | | It hit roughly 40 feet away! | | I was standing in our attached garage after shutting down all my | computer equipment, watching hail the size of golf balls bounce off | the roof of the house across the street when, for some inexplicable | reason I felt sort of a "vibration" in my feet that appeared to be | located in the garage floor. "Hmmm... What the heck?!" I remember | thinking. Not 1/4 of a second later, I look up at a maple tree just | outside of the garage, and WHAM!!! a bolt about a foot wide, orange | in color, comes ripping down the side of the tree! | | I was floored! Literally! The concussion from the strike had enough | force to knock me back, causing me to lose my balance, and I ended up | on my rear end. The shock also was strong enough to blow the plastic | rear window in my Geo Tracker in. About one second after the strike, | the *entire* lower 15 or so feet of the tree began "steaming"... how | weird! | | Scared the p*** out of me, but strangely, I thought it was pretty | cool! | | Remarkably, other than the fact my ears are still ringing, and I now | have a sore butt, I'm completely undamaged. | | The concussion/shock wave was amazingly strong. I'd never figured a | strike would generate one quite that powerful! In addition, I was | also amazed at the level of *heat* I felt on my face, and arms when | the strike occured. Not real hot, but kinda the same feeling as being | in direct sunlight. I'm sure I would've been toasted if I had been | any closer! | | After the first line of storms passed, I went out, and checked out the | tree. A strip of bark 6-8 inches wide, and about 20 feet long from | the ground up, had been cleanly "peeled" off the tree. A piece of 9ga | wire (from an old dog run, and probably the "lightning rod" that | caused the strike in the first place) that had circled the tree was | now in 5 "cut with a torch" pieces on the ground. | | I'll tell you what, Mother Nature certainly established my level in | the "Great Pecking Order" today! | | The seriously odd thing is that either I'm extremely (un)lucky, or a | force much larger is trying to make a point, as it was just two months | ago when standing in my office door, I watched a lightning bolt cleave | a 60 foot tulip poplar perfectly in two halves! | | But, that one was about 200 feet away! | | tah | | Tod A. Hilty NAR #72099 | Hilty Information Systems | | Member MTMA, NAR Section #606 | | Mantua Township Missile Agency | http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/ | | "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case" | - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future | | "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation! Deal with it!" | - blankreg | | - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 09:29:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA20193; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:29:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:29:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000715162906.1145.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.212] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Watercar news. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:29:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"voUaE1.0.Qx4.p59Sv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Stefan, Sorry I guess I have not been paying much attention to this one... Till you mentioned San Fran... I'm about 250 miles south of San Francisco... Where is Dingle??? Timothy... >From: Stefan Hartmann >Hi All, >I called yeasterday a guy in San Fransisco who has visited >Mr. Dingle lately and also test drove the car himself and spoke with >him. >He has not much technical knowledge and really just wants >to do a business plan for this. > >He told me, that the home power plant is just as big >as a small Sony radio and it delivers huge power, but he >was himself more interested in Dingleīs car, so he did >not further look at this home power plant, too bad. > >It seems to be some kind of solid state free energy device to be >and it recharges back its 12 Volts battery. >Seems not to be a fuelcell ! Must be some solid state electronic >device ! > >He also said, that Dingle is growing the plant in front of his >house for the special oil he uses in his car engine >and uses the exhaust water for faster growing, when I have understood >this right. > >The plant is used for the oil in the car, so that also normal small cars >drive like turbo-charged cars if they use this special plant oil instead > of normal motor oil ! >It seems the drag and the friction on the cylinders is very much reduced >by it. > >He also mentioned, that Dingle has put things into the car motor room, >that donīt have >any function to prevent people to know too fast, how it works , so they >are confused, >because the invention is so easy to build he said. > >Well, I told him that I will call him back when he is back in September >from the next Dingle visit. > >So this much for now. > > >Regards, Stefan. > > >-- > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 10:02:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA30725; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:02:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bfee7e$30ea1380$42d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:00:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yYckT3.0.wV7.Ma9Sv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I often open up my garage during thunderstorms and sit in the rain to watch the lightning (I sit on the roof sometimes, out of spite I think). But I've never seen any lightning closer than a mile away. And I live in Florida too, the lightning capital! -----Original Message----- From: xplorer To: freenrg L Cc: Mark D Edwards Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... >I have to wonder what the frequency of the vibration > would have been, and whether it was an artifact > of the static buildup interfering with the local > power grid.... >If not, there may be a clue to making better > electron accumulators ala Avremenko. > >cheers, > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Hilty Information Systems >Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets >Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 03:51 >Subject: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... > > >| If any of you caught a recent national weather radar map, you may've >| noticed that NE Ohio got slammed *quite* well with severe >| thunderstorms today. >| >| During the first of the three "lines" that moved through, I came about >| as close as I would _ever_ want to be to a direct lightning strike... >| >| It hit roughly 40 feet away! >| >| I was standing in our attached garage after shutting down all my >| computer equipment, watching hail the size of golf balls bounce off >| the roof of the house across the street when, for some inexplicable >| reason I felt sort of a "vibration" in my feet that appeared to be >| located in the garage floor. "Hmmm... What the heck?!" I remember >| thinking. Not 1/4 of a second later, I look up at a maple tree just >| outside of the garage, and WHAM!!! a bolt about a foot wide, orange >| in color, comes ripping down the side of the tree! >| >| I was floored! Literally! The concussion from the strike had enough >| force to knock me back, causing me to lose my balance, and I ended up >| on my rear end. The shock also was strong enough to blow the plastic >| rear window in my Geo Tracker in. About one second after the strike, >| the *entire* lower 15 or so feet of the tree began "steaming"... how >| weird! >| >| Scared the p*** out of me, but strangely, I thought it was pretty >| cool! >| >| Remarkably, other than the fact my ears are still ringing, and I now >| have a sore butt, I'm completely undamaged. >| >| The concussion/shock wave was amazingly strong. I'd never figured a >| strike would generate one quite that powerful! In addition, I was >| also amazed at the level of *heat* I felt on my face, and arms when >| the strike occured. Not real hot, but kinda the same feeling as being >| in direct sunlight. I'm sure I would've been toasted if I had been >| any closer! >| >| After the first line of storms passed, I went out, and checked out the >| tree. A strip of bark 6-8 inches wide, and about 20 feet long from >| the ground up, had been cleanly "peeled" off the tree. A piece of 9ga >| wire (from an old dog run, and probably the "lightning rod" that >| caused the strike in the first place) that had circled the tree was >| now in 5 "cut with a torch" pieces on the ground. >| >| I'll tell you what, Mother Nature certainly established my level in >| the "Great Pecking Order" today! >| >| The seriously odd thing is that either I'm extremely (un)lucky, or a >| force much larger is trying to make a point, as it was just two months >| ago when standing in my office door, I watched a lightning bolt cleave >| a 60 foot tulip poplar perfectly in two halves! >| >| But, that one was about 200 feet away! >| >| tah >| >| Tod A. Hilty NAR #72099 >| Hilty Information Systems >| >| Member MTMA, NAR Section #606 >| >| Mantua Township Missile Agency >| http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/ >| >| "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case" >| - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future >| >| "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation! Deal with it!" >| - blankreg >| >| - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 15:40:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA20784; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:40:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3970E81A.70A68660@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:39:22 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Watercar news. References: <200006252204447.SM00254@m2w018.mail2web.com> <012e01bfe012$e132cfe0$0201a8c0@m> <395F9757.BB01FD70@harti.com> <001501bfe48f$4b6aa600$0201a8c0@m> <39606208.98C12F32@harti.com> <010d01bfe55c$e94f3f20$0201a8c0@m> <39644270.F1C85499@harti.com> <0 <008701bfeaf3$5faba460$0201a8c0@m> <39704E1E.578CF6AB@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1WFd-2.0.c45.8XESv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Very interesting but controversial. Why bother with car engine and electrolysis etc., if you have direct mechanical power trough and electrical motor. two explanation comes to my mind: 1) It may be easier to add electrolysis cells and fuel modification instead to replacing the whole engine and mechanical assembly with an electric motor. But If I were the inventor I will start with an electrical car instead. 2) It would be a clever trick against suppression attempts to mask direct electrical power generation with a mild technology based on batteries, electrolysis which there are already many cars working around this way except without OU. Using the "sacred" w ater, one take less attention and apparently force to limit the wide usage of the technology, and increase costs. But the weak point here, the secret had quickly uncovered. If I were the inventor I had to use maximum effort to hide the real power generation. And Hiding a small box inside a car is not a great deal. Regards, hamdi ucar Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi All, > I called yeasterday a guy in San Fransisco who has visited > Mr. Dingle lately and also test drove the car himself and spoke with > him. > He has not much technical knowledge and really just wants > to do a business plan for this. > > He told me, that the home power plant is just as big > as a small Sony radio and it delivers huge power, but he > was himself more interested in Dingleīs car, so he did > not further look at this home power plant, too bad. > > It seems to be some kind of solid state free energy device to be > and it recharges back its 12 Volts battery. > Seems not to be a fuelcell ! Must be some solid state electronic > device ! > > He also said, that Dingle is growing the plant in front of his > house for the special oil he uses in his car engine > and uses the exhaust water for faster growing, when I have understood > this right. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 19:29:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13943; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:29:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39711434.F5FD53F6@harti.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:47:32 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: <000b01bfee7e$30ea1380$42d666ce@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zy6cX3.0.iP3.AuHSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Hi, when I was a kid about 13 years old I remember a lightning strike when I was camping with a group of friends. I was standing barefeet on the lawn in front of my tent and it already had rained a lot. so the gras was wet. The clouds were already dark black above. Suddenly a lightning stroke about 50 to 100 meters away behind me and the thunder bang almost hit me down to the floor ! Man was this scary. I even felt the electricity in my wet feets standing there tickling hefty my feet soles ! I immediately went into my tent, which was probably pretty dangerous because of the iron rods of the tent ceilings and prayed to God, that the lightning would not strike my tent. It hit several more times nearby and if you see the ligthning and the thunder in one instant it is really frightning and it was terribly loud ! We were lucky, that nearby were some trees that were higher than our tents. Never had since then any simular events, but since then I know to be careful, if a thunderstorm comes up. BTW, would it be possible to artificially "tap" the electricity of these clouds with an ultraviolet laser which points up the cloud ? the laser beam ionisizes the air molecules and makes them conduct the current. This is like putting a wire up the sky ! Then the lightning would come down this laser beam and must be stored in big capacitor banks ! Would this work ? Probably pretty complicated and the laser would also probably die at the first strike ?! But what, when the weather is not so uggly ? Benjamin Franklin used a balloon and conducting wire to tap the electricity in the air via this and ran an electrostatic motor with it. Regards, Stefan. Chris O'Barr schrieb: > > I often open up my garage during thunderstorms and sit in the rain to > watch the lightning (I sit on the roof sometimes, out of spite I think). But > I've never seen any lightning closer than a mile away. And I live in Florida > too, the lightning capital! > -----Original Message----- > From: xplorer > To: freenrg L > Cc: Mark D Edwards > Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:05 AM > Subject: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... > > >I have to wonder what the frequency of the vibration > > would have been, and whether it was an artifact > > of the static buildup interfering with the local > > power grid.... > >If not, there may be a clue to making better > > electron accumulators ala Avremenko. > > > >cheers, > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Hilty Information Systems > >Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets > >Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 03:51 > >Subject: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... > > > > > >| If any of you caught a recent national weather radar map, you may've > >| noticed that NE Ohio got slammed *quite* well with severe > >| thunderstorms today. > >| > >| During the first of the three "lines" that moved through, I came about > >| as close as I would _ever_ want to be to a direct lightning strike... > >| > >| It hit roughly 40 feet away! > >| > >| I was standing in our attached garage after shutting down all my > >| computer equipment, watching hail the size of golf balls bounce off > >| the roof of the house across the street when, for some inexplicable > >| reason I felt sort of a "vibration" in my feet that appeared to be > >| located in the garage floor. "Hmmm... What the heck?!" I remember > >| thinking. Not 1/4 of a second later, I look up at a maple tree just > >| outside of the garage, and WHAM!!! a bolt about a foot wide, orange > >| in color, comes ripping down the side of the tree! > >| > >| I was floored! Literally! The concussion from the strike had enough > >| force to knock me back, causing me to lose my balance, and I ended up > >| on my rear end. The shock also was strong enough to blow the plastic > >| rear window in my Geo Tracker in. About one second after the strike, > >| the *entire* lower 15 or so feet of the tree began "steaming"... how > >| weird! > >| > >| Scared the p*** out of me, but strangely, I thought it was pretty > >| cool! > >| > >| Remarkably, other than the fact my ears are still ringing, and I now > >| have a sore butt, I'm completely undamaged. > >| > >| The concussion/shock wave was amazingly strong. I'd never figured a > >| strike would generate one quite that powerful! In addition, I was > >| also amazed at the level of *heat* I felt on my face, and arms when > >| the strike occured. Not real hot, but kinda the same feeling as being > >| in direct sunlight. I'm sure I would've been toasted if I had been > >| any closer! > >| > >| After the first line of storms passed, I went out, and checked out the > >| tree. A strip of bark 6-8 inches wide, and about 20 feet long from > >| the ground up, had been cleanly "peeled" off the tree. A piece of 9ga > >| wire (from an old dog run, and probably the "lightning rod" that > >| caused the strike in the first place) that had circled the tree was > >| now in 5 "cut with a torch" pieces on the ground. > >| > >| I'll tell you what, Mother Nature certainly established my level in > >| the "Great Pecking Order" today! > >| > >| The seriously odd thing is that either I'm extremely (un)lucky, or a > >| force much larger is trying to make a point, as it was just two months > >| ago when standing in my office door, I watched a lightning bolt cleave > >| a 60 foot tulip poplar perfectly in two halves! > >| > >| But, that one was about 200 feet away! > >| > >| tah > >| > >| Tod A. Hilty NAR #72099 > >| Hilty Information Systems > >| > >| Member MTMA, NAR Section #606 > >| > >| Mantua Township Missile Agency > >| http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/ > >| > >| "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case" > >| - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future > >| > >| "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation! Deal with it!" > >| - blankreg > >| > >| - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply > > > > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 19:29:51 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13979; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:29:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:29:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3971157B.2AE9772F@harti.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:52:59 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... References: <000b01bfee7e$30ea1380$42d666ce@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XCP233.0.KQ3.EuHSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris O'Barr schrieb: > > I often open up my garage during thunderstorms and sit in the rain to > watch the lightning (I sit on the roof sometimes, out of spite I think). But > I've never seen any lightning closer than a mile away. And I live in Florida > too, the lightning capital! > -----Original Message----- Be careful ! If your hairs stands up, in the next few seconds you will be grilled ! :) Big grin ! No joke ! Is your house roof the highest in the neighbourhood ? -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 20:00:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24611; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:59:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39712629.BD8ADABF@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:04:09 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------32BF2A149B2418FD1EFD1B52" Resent-Message-ID: <"dNjFy1.0.S06.8KISv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------32BF2A149B2418FD1EFD1B52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Space shuttle does nicely on it too as well as Poseidon, underwater launched ICBM's. MJ Rick Dunn wrote: > You are right. When you mix hydrogen and oxygen together, they will > recombine into water but only after a chemical reaction. This chemical > reaction is a very violent reaction. This is the way NASA got the > Apollo missions off the ground, so to speak. As far as disassociating > hydrogen and oxygen from water, you still need a chemical reaction to > complete the task. One way is with extreme heat. Rick > > >>> markross@xyz.net 07/14/00 11:38AM >>> > Can you burn water? When you mix oxygen and hydrogen and heat ,the > oxygen > and hydrogen combine to form water. Now I am told that if I HEAT the > water > the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine > to > burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. I bet someone is > > haveing a good laugh! d;^) > --------------32BF2A149B2418FD1EFD1B52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Space shuttle does nicely on it too as well as Poseidon, underwater launched ICBM's.
MJ

Rick Dunn wrote:

 You are right. When you mix hydrogen and oxygen together, they will recombine into water but only after a chemical reaction. This chemical reaction is a very violent reaction. This is the way NASA got the Apollo missions off the ground, so to speak. As far as disassociating hydrogen and oxygen from water, you still need a chemical reaction to complete the task. One way is with extreme heat. Rick

>>> markross@xyz.net 07/14/00 11:38AM >>>
Can you burn water?  When you mix oxygen and hydrogen and heat ,the oxygen
and hydrogen combine  to form water. Now I am told that if I HEAT the water
the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to
burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. I bet someone is
haveing a good laugh! d;^)
 

--------------32BF2A149B2418FD1EFD1B52-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 20:01:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA23169; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:57:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: <397125D9.6DDF3024@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:02:50 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel References: <01bfeca6$ce67d220$3900fd80@zio-stefo> <396DABF9.C6DD131@harti.com> <001b01bfedc4$a4971180$5fa270d1@markross> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3kPiU2.0.rf5.iIISv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Theoretically you could burn water. It would have to be at a temperature of around 10,000 degrees and some pressure would be nice. I believe it has been done in a plasma torch. I once envisioned a kind of enclosed metal sphere within which would be O2(g), H2(g) and some finely divided platinum. The sphere would be strong enough to withstand the force of all the H2 and O2 inside it combining explosively. Once such a combination occurred (initiated by the platinum catalyst) energy would be released at about 2800 degrees. Half of that energy would be available to be used in producing other work because once the resulting steam in the sphere fell to 1100 degrees it could still be acted upon by the platinum catalyst and caused to separate. Once it had separated it would again react with the catalyst and burn, releasing energy at 2800 degrees, this would add to the existing 1100 degrees and you would have to use the 2800 degrees worth of energy back out to get it down to the 1100 degrees again and on and on and on...... Pulling energy from and endless well. Probably would never work in real life but the operative question here would be where is all of the energy coming from? Answer that and you have solved the ou problem MJ sparky wrote: > Can you burn water? When you mix oxygen and hydrogen and heat ,the oxygen > and hydrogen combine to form water. Now I am told that if I HEAT the water > the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to > burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. I bet someone is > haveing a good laugh! d;^) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 20:39:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02487; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:38:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:38:44 -0700 Message-ID: <39712F73.E152D743@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:43:48 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: The Rocket That Runs On Water As Fuel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Lk3T2.0.mc.3vISv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Last week I posted a related piece that described fueling a plasma torch with water. Temperatures in plasma torch exceed 10,000 degrees and at those temps the water supposedly disassociates into H+ and OH- ions which then recombine, etc. MJ Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 wrote: > All, > > As stated I don't see how it would work, however... > > With a conventional rocket engine of almost any fuel type, if you were to > inject distilled liquid water into the exhaust plenum it would turn to > instant steam. As steam it would expand to 1500 times it's liquid state > volume, providing additional thrust. The price of distilled water compared > to the price of just about any other form of propellant that would have to > be burned for the same amount of additional thrust, would make for a more > economical system. > > Add to that the weight reduction for much simpler storage tanks, versus > caustic or extreme low temperature fuels, would help as well. > > They used to do this with military jet engines. > > Bill > webriggs@concentric.net > Briggs@XLNsystems.com > > >>Now I am told that if I HEAT the water > >>the water will split apart into oxegen and hydrogen and then recombine to > >>burn and then turn back into water. I don`t think so. > > >Think again, that's how it works. But it doesn't release any net > >energy; that is more energy than you had to begin with when you > >ignite the water. I think the fellow's engine is good fireworks but > >nothing more. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 20:41:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04169; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:41:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:41:20 -0700 Message-ID: <002101bfeed7$43d9f4c0$0200a8c6@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:38:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"fIo3_.0.211.WxISv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what is basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire is attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket enters the cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda interesting research. -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? >Hi, >when I was a kid about 13 years old I remember a >lightning strike when I was camping with a group of friends. >I was standing barefeet on the lawn in front of my tent and it already >had rained >a lot. so the gras was wet. >The clouds were already dark black above. >Suddenly a lightning stroke about 50 to 100 meters away behind me >and the thunder bang >almost hit me down to the floor ! Man was this scary. >I even felt the electricity in my wet feets standing there tickling >hefty my >feet soles ! >I immediately went into my tent, which was probably pretty >dangerous because of the iron rods of the tent ceilings and prayed to >God, >that the lightning would not strike my tent. >It hit several more times nearby and if you see the ligthning and >the thunder in one instant it is really frightning and it was terribly >loud ! We were lucky, that nearby were some trees that were higher than >our tents. >Never had since then any simular events, but since then I know >to be careful, if a thunderstorm comes up. > >BTW, would it be possible to artificially "tap" the electricity >of these clouds with an ultraviolet laser which points up the cloud ? >the laser beam ionisizes the air molecules and makes them >conduct the current. >This is like putting a wire up the sky ! >Then the lightning would come down this laser beam and must be >stored in big capacitor banks ! Would this work ? >Probably pretty complicated and the laser would also probably die >at the first strike ?! >But what, when the weather is not so uggly ? >Benjamin Franklin used a balloon and conducting wire to tap the >electricity in the air via this and ran an electrostatic motor with it. > >Regards, Stefan. > > >Chris O'Barr schrieb: >> >> I often open up my garage during thunderstorms and sit in the rain to >> watch the lightning (I sit on the roof sometimes, out of spite I think). But >> I've never seen any lightning closer than a mile away. And I live in Florida >> too, the lightning capital! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xplorer >> To: freenrg L >> Cc: Mark D Edwards >> Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:05 AM >> Subject: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... >> >> >I have to wonder what the frequency of the vibration >> > would have been, and whether it was an artifact >> > of the static buildup interfering with the local >> > power grid.... >> >If not, there may be a clue to making better >> > electron accumulators ala Avremenko. >> > >> >cheers, >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Hilty Information Systems >> >Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets >> >Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 03:51 >> >Subject: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... >> > >> > >> >| If any of you caught a recent national weather radar map, you may've >> >| noticed that NE Ohio got slammed *quite* well with severe >> >| thunderstorms today. >> >| >> >| During the first of the three "lines" that moved through, I came about >> >| as close as I would _ever_ want to be to a direct lightning strike... >> >| >> >| It hit roughly 40 feet away! >> >| >> >| I was standing in our attached garage after shutting down all my >> >| computer equipment, watching hail the size of golf balls bounce off >> >| the roof of the house across the street when, for some inexplicable >> >| reason I felt sort of a "vibration" in my feet that appeared to be >> >| located in the garage floor. "Hmmm... What the heck?!" I remember >> >| thinking. Not 1/4 of a second later, I look up at a maple tree just >> >| outside of the garage, and WHAM!!! a bolt about a foot wide, orange >> >| in color, comes ripping down the side of the tree! >> >| >> >| I was floored! Literally! The concussion from the strike had enough >> >| force to knock me back, causing me to lose my balance, and I ended up >> >| on my rear end. The shock also was strong enough to blow the plastic >> >| rear window in my Geo Tracker in. About one second after the strike, >> >| the *entire* lower 15 or so feet of the tree began "steaming"... how >> >| weird! >> >| >> >| Scared the p*** out of me, but strangely, I thought it was pretty >> >| cool! >> >| >> >| Remarkably, other than the fact my ears are still ringing, and I now >> >| have a sore butt, I'm completely undamaged. >> >| >> >| The concussion/shock wave was amazingly strong. I'd never figured a >> >| strike would generate one quite that powerful! In addition, I was >> >| also amazed at the level of *heat* I felt on my face, and arms when >> >| the strike occured. Not real hot, but kinda the same feeling as being >> >| in direct sunlight. I'm sure I would've been toasted if I had been >> >| any closer! >> >| >> >| After the first line of storms passed, I went out, and checked out the >> >| tree. A strip of bark 6-8 inches wide, and about 20 feet long from >> >| the ground up, had been cleanly "peeled" off the tree. A piece of 9ga >> >| wire (from an old dog run, and probably the "lightning rod" that >> >| caused the strike in the first place) that had circled the tree was >> >| now in 5 "cut with a torch" pieces on the ground. >> >| >> >| I'll tell you what, Mother Nature certainly established my level in >> >| the "Great Pecking Order" today! >> >| >> >| The seriously odd thing is that either I'm extremely (un)lucky, or a >> >| force much larger is trying to make a point, as it was just two months >> >| ago when standing in my office door, I watched a lightning bolt cleave >> >| a 60 foot tulip poplar perfectly in two halves! >> >| >> >| But, that one was about 200 feet away! >> >| >> >| tah >> >| >> >| Tod A. Hilty NAR #72099 >> >| Hilty Information Systems >> >| >> >| Member MTMA, NAR Section #606 >> >| >> >| Mantua Township Missile Agency >> >| http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/ >> >| >> >| "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case" >> >| - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future >> >| >> >| "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation! Deal with it!" >> >| - blankreg >> >| >> >| - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply >> > >> > > >-- > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 20:47:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA06516; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:46:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:46:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3971314B.AB8C08F7@csrlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:51:40 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energy21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"udQZm.0.Ub1.W0JSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! Hi All, This past thursday at 12:38 am, Jack Folek aka: enersola@worldpath.net sent an email entitled Re: Request for Tesla Information Assistance to energy21@listbot.com. It contained no message. Only the Happy99 virus as an attachment. I would advise all to check your systems as listbot may have been infected as well. This message is clean. MJ I am going to gut it and post as text in a few minutes. 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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:09:50 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"trJie1.0.8m4.hUJSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. How safe it is to live close to such instalations? Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I > think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with > lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right > conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what is > basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire is > attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket enters the > cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda > interesting research. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Hartmann > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:32 PM > Subject: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > >Hi, > >when I was a kid about 13 years old I remember a > >lightning strike when I was camping with a group of friends. > >I was standing barefeet on the lawn in front of my tent and it already > >had rained > >a lot. so the gras was wet. > >The clouds were already dark black above. > >Suddenly a lightning stroke about 50 to 100 meters away behind me > >and the thunder bang > >almost hit me down to the floor ! Man was this scary. > >I even felt the electricity in my wet feets standing there tickling > >hefty my > >feet soles ! > >I immediately went into my tent, which was probably pretty > >dangerous because of the iron rods of the tent ceilings and prayed to > >God, > >that the lightning would not strike my tent. > >It hit several more times nearby and if you see the ligthning and > >the thunder in one instant it is really frightning and it was terribly > >loud ! We were lucky, that nearby were some trees that were higher than > >our tents. > >Never had since then any simular events, but since then I know > >to be careful, if a thunderstorm comes up. > > > >BTW, would it be possible to artificially "tap" the electricity > >of these clouds with an ultraviolet laser which points up the cloud ? > >the laser beam ionisizes the air molecules and makes them > >conduct the current. > >This is like putting a wire up the sky ! > >Then the lightning would come down this laser beam and must be > >stored in big capacitor banks ! Would this work ? > >Probably pretty complicated and the laser would also probably die > >at the first strike ?! > >But what, when the weather is not so uggly ? > >Benjamin Franklin used a balloon and conducting wire to tap the > >electricity in the air via this and ran an electrostatic motor with it. > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > > > > >Chris O'Barr schrieb: > >> > >> I often open up my garage during thunderstorms and sit in the rain to > >> watch the lightning (I sit on the roof sometimes, out of spite I think). > But > >> I've never seen any lightning closer than a mile away. And I live in > Florida > >> too, the lightning capital! > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xplorer > >> To: freenrg L > >> Cc: Mark D Edwards > >> Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:05 AM > >> Subject: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... > >> > >> >I have to wonder what the frequency of the vibration > >> > would have been, and whether it was an artifact > >> > of the static buildup interfering with the local > >> > power grid.... > >> >If not, there may be a clue to making better > >> > electron accumulators ala Avremenko. > >> > > >> >cheers, > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: Hilty Information Systems > >> >Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets > >> >Sent: 2000 July 15, Saturday 03:51 > >> >Subject: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... > >> > > >> > > >> >| If any of you caught a recent national weather radar map, you may've > >> >| noticed that NE Ohio got slammed *quite* well with severe > >> >| thunderstorms today. > >> >| > >> >| During the first of the three "lines" that moved through, I came about > >> >| as close as I would _ever_ want to be to a direct lightning strike... > >> >| > >> >| It hit roughly 40 feet away! > >> >| > >> >| I was standing in our attached garage after shutting down all my > >> >| computer equipment, watching hail the size of golf balls bounce off > >> >| the roof of the house across the street when, for some inexplicable > >> >| reason I felt sort of a "vibration" in my feet that appeared to be > >> >| located in the garage floor. "Hmmm... What the heck?!" I remember > >> >| thinking. Not 1/4 of a second later, I look up at a maple tree just > >> >| outside of the garage, and WHAM!!! a bolt about a foot wide, orange > >> >| in color, comes ripping down the side of the tree! > >> >| > >> >| I was floored! Literally! The concussion from the strike had enough > >> >| force to knock me back, causing me to lose my balance, and I ended up > >> >| on my rear end. The shock also was strong enough to blow the plastic > >> >| rear window in my Geo Tracker in. About one second after the strike, > >> >| the *entire* lower 15 or so feet of the tree began "steaming"... how > >> >| weird! > >> >| > >> >| Scared the p*** out of me, but strangely, I thought it was pretty > >> >| cool! > >> >| > >> >| Remarkably, other than the fact my ears are still ringing, and I now > >> >| have a sore butt, I'm completely undamaged. > >> >| > >> >| The concussion/shock wave was amazingly strong. I'd never figured a > >> >| strike would generate one quite that powerful! In addition, I was > >> >| also amazed at the level of *heat* I felt on my face, and arms when > >> >| the strike occured. Not real hot, but kinda the same feeling as being > >> >| in direct sunlight. I'm sure I would've been toasted if I had been > >> >| any closer! > >> >| > >> >| After the first line of storms passed, I went out, and checked out the > >> >| tree. A strip of bark 6-8 inches wide, and about 20 feet long from > >> >| the ground up, had been cleanly "peeled" off the tree. A piece of 9ga > >> >| wire (from an old dog run, and probably the "lightning rod" that > >> >| caused the strike in the first place) that had circled the tree was > >> >| now in 5 "cut with a torch" pieces on the ground. > >> >| > >> >| I'll tell you what, Mother Nature certainly established my level in > >> >| the "Great Pecking Order" today! > >> >| > >> >| The seriously odd thing is that either I'm extremely (un)lucky, or a > >> >| force much larger is trying to make a point, as it was just two months > >> >| ago when standing in my office door, I watched a lightning bolt cleave > >> >| a 60 foot tulip poplar perfectly in two halves! > >> >| > >> >| But, that one was about 200 feet away! > >> >| > >> >| tah > >> >| > >> >| Tod A. Hilty NAR #72099 > >> >| Hilty Information Systems > >> >| > >> >| Member MTMA, NAR Section #606 > >> >| > >> >| Mantua Township Missile Agency > >> >| http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/ > >> >| > >> >| "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case" > >> >| - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future > >> >| > >> >| "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation! Deal with it!" > >> >| - blankreg > >> >| > >> >| - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply > >> > > >> > > > > >-- > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > >-- > >Hartmann Multimedia Service, > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 21:37:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA24277; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:37:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:37:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:37:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200007160437.AAA12907@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Resent-Message-ID: <"bHfNb.0.Ex5.CmJSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anna writes: >It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. >How safe it is to live close to such instalations? >Anna I would say that it is probably safer than being most other places actually, since the lightning is being channelled directly to the earth via the wire. I saw the demonstrations of this a couple of years ago maybe, on PBS. Here in Florida, there is an enormous amount of "master planned community" development going on, all of the communities having several golf courses or more. The number of lightning storms that we get is quite high, and about the dumbest place to be on earth during a lightning storm is on a golf course swinging a golf club, holding an umbrella or anything like that. People do it all the time though. ;) Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 21:46:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA27227; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:46:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:46:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:46:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200007160446.AAA14308@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Resent-Message-ID: <"kUycu3.0.Kf6.BuJSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan writes: >BTW, would it be possible to artificially "tap" the electricity >of these clouds with an ultraviolet laser which points up the cloud ? >the laser beam ionisizes the air molecules and makes them >conduct the current. >This is like putting a wire up the sky ! >Then the lightning would come down this laser beam and must be >stored in big capacitor banks ! Would this work ? >Probably pretty complicated and the laser would also probably die >at the first strike ?! >But what, when the weather is not so uggly ? >Benjamin Franklin used a balloon and conducting wire to tap the >electricity in the air via this and ran an electrostatic motor with it. > >Regards, Stefan. Wow Stefan, you were lucky. The UV laser idea has been around for a while, and I looked into it. I guess some people have even tried it. It is quite feasible, in my opinion, and will become quite inexpensive as UV lasers are supposed to be mass produced in the near future for data storage devices. Right now, they are a rather pricey item. I thought of ways to minimize the danger to the laser itself, by shooting the light beam through a grounded copper pipe, and channelling the energy to a capacitor bank before it went to ground. The main drawback is the fact that the amount of power in one strike can be trillions of watts, and that would be difficult to contain by any man made device. One strike and you could power a town for a while if you had the right sized capacitor bank. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 15 22:33:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA08007; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:33:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:33:15 -0700 Message-ID: <00da01bfeee7$54adde00$4e8ba8cf@surfsouth.com> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: References: <200007160446.AAA14308@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:33:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"EW0Tb.0.0z1.QaKSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16207 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At Camp Blanding near Gainesville Fla they use tiny rockets with wires - this seems most economical at this time instead of a laser. Currently the north fla south ga areas are the highest incidence of lightning only second to australia. Living in the south ga area I am trying to identify areas with the highest incidence of natural strikes and signing contracts with the local land owners and city governments to install energy capture devices at some point in the future. Magnetic flywheels seem to be the only technology even remotely capable of capturing some of this energy. Still nothing I am aware of can receive that much energy without melting. If you live in a city in south ga or north fla you may want to investigate if there are any areas surrounding your community with high incidences of strikes each year and try to form some business arrangement to acquire rights to capture energy at those places. When the technology arrives it should be very profitable - energy is the economy of the future. http://www.lightning.ece.ufl.edu/ In regards to golfing in fla - this is one of the studies :-) 70. "Small Shelters and Safety from Lightning", Golf Course Management, 68, 104-112, 2000, R. Kithil and V. Rakov. From: "Michael T Huffman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > Stefan writes: > >BTW, would it be possible to artificially "tap" the electricity > >of these clouds with an ultraviolet laser which points up the cloud ? > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > to ground. The main drawback is the fact that the amount of power in one > strike can be trillions of watts, and that would be difficult to contain by > any man made device. One strike and you could power a town for a while if > you had the right sized capacitor bank. > > Knuke > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 04:57:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA10864; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:57:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:57:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01bfef1c$444ec940$063dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <200007160446.AAA14308@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:52:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"_ofCG2.0.af2.JCQSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Good morning, all; > Wow Stefan, you were lucky. The UV laser idea has been around for a while, > and I looked into it. I guess some people have even tried it. It is quite > feasible, in my opinion, and will become quite inexpensive as UV lasers are > supposed to be mass produced in the near future for data storage devices. ****** I saw a network news segment, or perhaps a "Learning Channel" piece not too long ago about a new twist on the old TASER idea. The new unit uses a pair of beams from a small UV laser. The beams are directed against the target, and the high voltage pulse train is directed down the beams, to shock the target. It apparently works, except the power supply for the UV laser, which I think was operated in a pulsed mode takes up a sizeable back-pack. A cool, but certainly logical idea. > Right now, they are a rather pricey item. I thought of ways to minimize the > danger to the laser itself, by shooting the light beam through a grounded > copper pipe, and channelling the energy to a capacitor bank before it went > to ground. The main drawback is the fact that the amount of power in one > strike can be trillions of watts, and that would be difficult to contain by > any man made device. One strike and you could power a town for a while if > you had the right sized capacitor bank. ****** There was a cute but cheezy science fiction novel called "The Lost Millenium" that used this idea. The story took place in Atlantis, where they were shooting (apparently) laser beams from the tops of these large pyramids straight up into the atmosphere. The avalanch of charge would follow the beam, and the pyramid building itself was the storage capacitor. Presumably it was not bad science, because one probably would need a storage cap the size of the Gizeh pyramid to power your average Atlantean town! The reason (in the novel) that Atlantis was destroyed was that they built a master power station near the north pole. The laser beam shorted out the earth-ionosphere capacitor when it discharged without the usual snuffing effect from the geomagnetic field. The load on the great earth "generator" then changed suddenly, causing the earth to "jolt" or jerk. Havoc ensued, Atlantis was sunk. Of course, HAARP IS in Alaska...hmmmm. ;-) NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 07:53:07 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA12878; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:47:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:47:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3971C9FB.A5A07EC2@harti.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:43:07 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? References: <002101bfeed7$43d9f4c0$0200a8c6@stealth> <00d701bfeedb$b31353a0$f431fea9@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tBQUF3.0.693.GiSSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anna M* schrieb: > > It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. > How safe it is to live close to such instalations? > Anna Hi Anna, habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could influence computers and other high tech things... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R.U. Sirius" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I > > think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with > > lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right > > conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what is > > basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire is > > attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket enters > the > > cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda > > interesting research. > > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 10:15:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA15228; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:14:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:14:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:14:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup X-Sender: w9sz@bluestem To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? In-Reply-To: <3971C9FB.A5A07EC2@harti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mfYQ41.0.rj3.0sUSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I saw a video footage of this a few years ago. I believe it was shown to us during a training session for tornado/severe storm spotters for ESDA. The small rocket takes off with a very fine copper wire on a reel attached to it. A second later the lightning comes down the wire. It is real lightning. It is very controlled. It only comes down the wire (or where the wire was, as the wire is vaporized) and can be filmed. I don't know where to get this video but I may be able to find out. Also, I remember reading that Ben Franklin was once researching collecting the energy from lightning discharges. Does anyone have any more info on that? Zack On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > Anna M* schrieb: > > > > It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. > > How safe it is to live close to such instalations? > > Anna > > Hi Anna, > habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > > Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > > Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > influence computers and other high tech things... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "R.U. Sirius" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 8:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > > > I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I > > > think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with > > > lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right > > > conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what is > > > basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire is > > > attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket enters > > the > > > cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda > > > interesting research. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 11:15:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA32415; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:15:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:15:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3971FA91.E31835DB@harti.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:10:25 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zzN-b.0.Ow7.fkVSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Zack Widup schrieb: > > I saw a video footage of this a few years ago. I believe it was shown to > us during a training session for tornado/severe storm spotters for ESDA. > > The small rocket takes off with a very fine copper wire on a reel attached > to it. A second later the lightning comes down the wire. It is real > lightning. It is very controlled. It only comes down the wire (or where > the wire was, as the wire is vaporized) and can be filmed. > > I don't know where to get this video but I may be able to find out. > > Also, I remember reading that Ben Franklin was once researching collecting > the energy from lightning discharges. Does anyone have any more info on > that? > > Zack > > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Zack thanks for the info. What do they do with the energy from the strike ? Did it look on the video as a real big strike or just a small discharge ? Do they store the energy somehow or is this just for fun or research ?? Benjamin Franklin used a balloon to do this and did power an electrostatic motor with it, but he did not do it during a thunderstorm ! If you live in the country side you can also extract a lot of power with that, if you build a balloon with lighter than air gas and keep it up at about 200 Meters (would not be allowed in cities) and have it at a copper wire and feed this wire to a resonance circuit or a big capacitor and have the other capacitor plate grounded. Should be possible to extract at least a few Watts of free power this way. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 15:01:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA32719; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:00:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:00:49 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01bfef71$6681f8c0$478b4fd1@ihug.co.nz> From: "Stuart Rae" To: References: <3971314B.AB8C08F7@csrlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:00:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"KALDQ.0.0_7.H2ZSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Johnston" To: "energy21" Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: [FG]: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! > > MJ > I am going to gut it and post as text in a few minutes. > My "InoculateIT" real-time virus scanner says the so-called "gutted" attachment you sent subsequently _IS_ the "Happy99.exe" virus. SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 15:19:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA07314; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:18:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:18:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:18:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200007162218.SAA05754@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Resent-Message-ID: <"T2OQu1.0.9o1.IJZSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan wrote: >Hi Anna, >habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > >Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just >collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > >Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real >tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could >influence computers and other high tech things... Hi Stefan, The program that I saw depicted a small rocket with a wire on a reel. The wire ran straight to ground, with no effort made to collect the energy. The sand where the wire end was planted into the ground was fused by the lightning bolt into a quartz crystal glass of an unusual shape, and this glass piece was sometimes as long as a foot, by my estimation. The researchers noted that they would wait as long as possible during the "pre-strike phase" of a cloud's charge build-up and then fire a rocket aimed at the portion of the cloud that they thought held the highest concentration of charged particles. In other words, this was a pre-emptive draining of the cloud rather than waiting for the lightning to self-initiate. If they waited too long, the lightning would self initiate randomly, and the cloud would be drained of it's stored electron build-up. Ben Franklin did, indeed, experiment with cloud charges, but I don't know the full extent of his findings. From what I have read here on this group, he used a carbonized string on a kite, with a key attached, and he flew it well away from the approaching stormclouds to avoid a direct lightning strike. He also stood inside of a wooden hut while doing this, according to the illustrations in his notes that people have spoken about. Your depiction of him using a balloon is new to me. It seems to me that creating ball lightning using the variation of the JLN/Roth Group method that I posted here before, using two parallel Glow Discharge Panels, along with either a virtual wire between them or even a real wire would do just as well, and be a lot safer. The windspeed over the panels, as measured by Roth was high enough to knock off quite a few free electrons for harvesting. It may even be possible to do this in a safer manner by not allowing the formation of ball lightning, but harvesting those electrons before the plasma ball formed. Only experimentation with that would show which would be more powerful, safer, and more reliable. One thing about this approach is that it is really cheap to build, and I think the power harvested would be proportionately quite large, but managably so. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 15:31:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA11784; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:31:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:31:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:30:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200007162230.SAA08810@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"i4UFz.0.yt2.dUZSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stuart wrote: >My "InoculateIT" real-time virus scanner says the so-called "gutted" >attachment you >sent subsequently _IS_ the "Happy99.exe" virus. > >SR The InnoculateIT program may recognize a part of the virus, just enough to identify it for example, but the only way to check would be to run the .exe file and see if it was gutted enough. ;) Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 17:56:44 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12656; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:56:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:56:15 -0700 Message-ID: <008c01bfef88$a2d7b6e0$c38afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: "John Schnurer" , "energy21" , Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:47:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01BFEF4D.F3B7EA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"1jur23.0.b53.lcbSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fw: [SO] Fw: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight R&D? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01BFEF4D.F3B7EA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possible? What has Hutchinson to do with all this? . Anna @listbot.com> Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 1:06 PM Subject: Fw: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight R&D? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jack Sarfatti >Newsgroups: sci.skeptic >To: CloudRider@aol.com >Cc: Puthoff@aol.com ; gbekkum@mediaone.net >; MindForms@cs.com >; brumac@compuserve.com >; George Hathaway >; Hal Puthoff ; >Marcello Truzzi >Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:57 AM >Subject: Re: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight >R&D?____________________________ >(Comment by Richard Boylan, Ph.D.: > >Folks, > > The dialogue below is apropos the appearance on a >recent television >documentary on The Learning Channel of Boyd Bushman, >executive at Lockheed-Martin aerospace corporation. During >his interview, scenes were shown of an antigravity disc, >(which I belive to be the Lockheed-Martin X-22A two-man >antigravity disc I saw test-flown in a canyon between Area >51 and the Tonopah Test Range, NV, since it had the same >bluish ionization field around the craft's airframe.) >As for Dr. Hutchinson of >British Columbia, whose antigravity machine is shown also >during that documentary levitating solid objects as well as >liquids like paint, I have the full-length videotape of his >tests. He has been visited by Pentagon and Canadian >military officials interested in his work. > > The excerpt from The Learning Channel can be viewed at: >http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html > > > It is heartwarming that the government Public >Acclimation Program is presenting such forthright >acknowledgement of the exotic back-engineered ET-tech >antigravitational technology, previously shrouded in >secrecy on black-project military bases. > > Richard Boylan, Ph.D. > > >________ Richard Boylan, Ph.D., LLC, Post Office Box >22310, Sacramento, >California 95822, United States of America. Phone: (916) >422-7479 (PDT) >E-mail: drboylan@jps.net WEBSITE: >http://www.jps.net/drboylan/ > You are invited to join his UFOTruth internet >reports-and-communications list; >moderated by Dr. Boylan: (subscribe at: >http://UFOTruth.listbot.com/ ); or his >DrRichBoylanReports (reports-only) list at: >http://DrRichBoylanReports.listbot.com/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>CloudRider@aol.com wrote: >>> [Farley] >>> A question from me to you (collectively) follows. >> In >a message dated 7/16/00 11:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>> sarfatti@well.com writes: >>> >>> > Subj: Re: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight >R&D? >>> > Date: 7/16/00 11:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time >>> > From: sarfatti@well.com (Jack Sarfatti) >>> > To: gbekkum@mediaone.net (Gary S. Bekkum) >>> > CC: MindForms@cs.com (Doug Groseclose) >>> > >>> > Bushman shows film of Hutchison's stuff, so Lockheed >Martin is developing >>> > that? > >>> > > > > Click the link at >http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html > >>> > > > > It should open up in a properly configured Real >Player G2 or newer. > >>> [Farley] >>> Question for Jack, Gary, Hal, whoever....? >>> Thanks for sharing your exchange with The Learning >Channel's provocative >>> "anti-grav" footage overlaying the interview with >Bushman at Lockheed-Martin. >>> But watching it, a question arises: It would be >relatively simple to stage >>> the effects on that "Canadian researcher's film" by >affixing a camera to a rotating "stage," then letting the >objects "fly up" as the turntable is spun >>> from "down" to "up." The apparent "dripping liquid" >(paint? milk?) is >>> problematic but certainly not an insurmountable special >effects obstacle. (I am reminded of the "Russian psychic" >footage that appeared on ITN and later >>> The Discovery Channel's stuff a few years ago, i.e., low >production values >>> for something seemingly so important and quite >"scientifically prestigious" >>> if it's true. >> >>[Jack Sarfatti] >> >>Yes, easy to fake, that's correct, but George Hathaway, >the Canadian "Hal Puthoff" >>who, with informal official connections, competently >checks out these >>extraordinary claims in the best sense of Skeptical >Inquiry, assures us it was not >>faked that way. One of the people on this list is a senior >executive at >>Lockheed-Martin. We also have people from intelligence >organizations from several >>nations lurking on this list. By the way I got to know >Hutchison's girlfriend >>quite well in her several month stay at 3220 in SF in >1995. She was working with >>Marshall McLuhan's, daughter Mary who lived next door for >several months. From >>that I could ascertain that they are not conmen interested >in money. They may be >>crazy, but they believe in what they are doing. No >question of that for what it's >>worth. >> >>> [Farley] >>> >>> Why do it? Juxtapose the Canadian thing with >philosophizing from >>> Lockheed-Martin's resident visionary and "dream seller?" >From the folks who >>> gave us Skunk Works and "Area 51's 'captured saucers'" >in league with EG&G, >>> an imagination is unnecessary. >>> The usual: disinformation, deflection, titillation of >Congressional >>> appropriators, and the grandaddy of all objectives, >confabulation to confuse >>> real and potential enemies. >> >>[Jack] >> >>No, you are way off track again. It's a lot more complex >than that. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01BFEF4D.F3B7EA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Possible? What has Hutchinson to do with all=20 this?
.
Anna

@listbot.com>= ;
Date:=20 Sunday, July 16, 2000 1:06 PM
Subject: Fw: Real Video Lockheed-Martin = Anti-Grav Flight
R&D?


>
>-----Original=20 Message-----
>From: Jack Sarfatti=20 <sarfatti@well.com>
>Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
>To:=20 CloudRider@aol.com <CloudRider@aol.com>
>Cc: Puthoff@aol.com = <Puthoff@aol.com>;
gbekkum@mediaone.net
><gbekkum@media= one.net>;=20 MindForms@cs.com
><MindForms@cs.com>;=20 brumac@compuserve.com
><brumac@compuserve.com>; George=20 Hathaway
><ghathaway@ieee.org>; Hal Puthoff=20 <puthoff@aol.com>;
>Marcello Truzzi=20 <truzzi@toast.net>
>Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:57=20 AM
>Subject: Re: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav=20 Flight
>R&D?____________________________
>(Comment by = Richard=20 Boylan, Ph.D.:
>
>Folks,
>
>    = The=20 dialogue below is apropos the appearance on a
>recent=20 television
>documentary on The Learning Channel of Boyd=20 Bushman,
>executive at Lockheed-Martin aerospace corporation.=20 During
>his interview, scenes were shown of an antigravity=20 disc,
>(which I belive to be the Lockheed-Martin X-22A =20 two-man
>antigravity disc I saw test-flown in a canyon between=20 Area
>51 and the Tonopah Test Range, NV, since it had the=20 same
>bluish ionization field around the craft's = airframe.)
>As for=20 Dr. Hutchinson of
>British Columbia, whose antigravity machine is = shown=20 also
>during that documentary levitating solid objects as=20 well
as
>liquids like paint, I have the full-length videotape=20 of
his
>tests. He has been visited by Pentagon and=20 Canadian
>military officials interested in his=20 work.
>
>    The excerpt from The Learning = Channel=20 can be viewed
at:
>http://= people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html
>
>
= >   =20 It is heartwarming that the government Public
>Acclimation Program = is=20 presenting such forthright
>acknowledgement of the exotic = back-engineered=20 ET-tech
>antigravitational technology, previously shrouded=20 in
>secrecy on black-project military=20 bases.
>
>        &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;      =20 Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
>
>
>________   = Richard=20 Boylan, Ph.D., LLC,   Post Office Box
>22310,=20 Sacramento,
>California 95822, United States of America. Phone:=20 (916)
>422-7479 (PDT)
>E-mail:=20 drboylan@jps.net         =20 WEBSITE:
>http://www.jps.net/drboylan/>  =20 You are invited to join his UFOTruth = internet
>reports-and-communications=20 list;
>moderated by Dr. Boylan: (subscribe at:
>http://UFOTruth.listbot.com/ = ); or=20 his
>DrRichBoylanReports (reports-only) list at:
>http://DrRichBoylanRepor= ts.listbot.com/
>++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>>Cl= oudRider@aol.com=20 wrote:
>>> [Farley]
>>> A question from me to = you=20 (collectively) follows. >> In
>a message dated 7/16/00 = 11:42:31 AM=20 Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> sarfatti@well.com=20 writes:
>>>
>>> > Subj:  Re: Real Video=20 Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav
Flight
>R&D?
>>> = > =20 Date:    7/16/00 11:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight=20 Time
>>> >  From:    = sarfatti@well.com (Jack=20 Sarfatti)
>>> >  To:  gbekkum@mediaone.net = (Gary S.=20 Bekkum)
>>> >  CC:  MindForms@cs.com (Doug=20 Groseclose)
>>> >
>>> >  Bushman = shows film=20 of Hutchison's stuff, so Lockheed
>Martin is = developing
>>>=20 > that?
>
>>> >  > > > Click the = link=20 at
>http://= people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html
>
>>= >=20 >  > > > It should open up in a properly=20 configured
Real
>Player G2 or newer.
>
>>>=20 [Farley]
>>> Question for Jack, Gary, Hal,=20 whoever....?
>>> Thanks for sharing your exchange with The=20 Learning
>Channel's provocative
>>> "anti-grav" = footage=20 overlaying the interview with
>Bushman at = Lockheed-Martin.
>>>=20 But watching it, a question arises: It would be
>relatively simple = to=20 stage
>>> the effects on that "Canadian researcher's film"=20 by
>affixing a camera to a rotating "stage," then letting=20 the
>objects "fly up" as the turntable is spun
>>> = from "down"=20 to "up." The apparent "dripping liquid"
>(paint? milk?) = is
>>>=20 problematic but certainly not an insurmountable special
>effects = obstacle.=20 (I am reminded of the "Russian psychic"
>footage that appeared on = ITN and=20 later
>>> The Discovery Channel's stuff a few years ago,=20 i.e.,
low
>production values
>>> for something = seemingly so=20 important and quite
>"scientifically prestigious"
>>> = if it's=20 true.
>>
>>[Jack Sarfatti]
>>
>>Yes, = easy to=20 fake, that's correct, but George Hathaway,
>the Canadian "Hal=20 Puthoff"
>>who, with informal official connections,=20 competently
>checks out these
>>extraordinary claims in = the best=20 sense of Skeptical
>Inquiry, assures us it was = not
>>faked that=20 way. One of the people on this list is a
senior
>executive=20 at
>>Lockheed-Martin. We also have people from=20 intelligence
>organizations from several
>>nations = lurking on=20 this list. By the way I got to know
>Hutchison's=20 girlfriend
>>quite well in her several month stay at 3220 in SF = in
>1995. She was working with
>>Marshall McLuhan's, = daughter=20 Mary who lived next door for
>several months. From
>>that = I could=20 ascertain that they are not conmen
interested
>in money. They = may=20 be
>>crazy, but they believe in what they are doing. = No
>question=20 of that for what it's
>>worth.
>>
>>>=20 [Farley]
>>>
>>> Why do it? Juxtapose the = Canadian thing=20 with
>philosophizing from
>>> Lockheed-Martin's = resident=20 visionary and "dream
seller?"
>From the folks = who
>>> gave=20 us Skunk Works and "Area 51's 'captured saucers'"
>in league with=20 EG&G,
>>> an imagination is unnecessary.
>>> = The=20 usual: disinformation, deflection, titillation=20 of
>Congressional
>>> appropriators, and the grandaddy = of all=20 objectives,
>confabulation to confuse
>>> real and = potential=20 enemies.
>>
>>[Jack]
>>
>>No, you = are way=20 off track again. It's a lot more complex
>than=20 that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


=

------=_NextPart_000_0088_01BFEF4D.F3B7EA20-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 18:37:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27651; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:36:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:36:06 -0700 Message-ID: <397261D0.C188A8D@harti.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:30:56 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: John Schnurer , energy21 , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , drboylan@jps.net, Newman-L Mailing List References: <008c01bfef88$a2d7b6e0$c38afea9@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pJF_K3.0.ul6.6CcSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight R&D? > Anna M* schrieb: > > Possible? What has Hutchinson to do with all this? At the end of the RealVideo movie at this page: http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html you can see Hutchinsonīs experiments with levitatiing objects. I also have this on videotape ! I wonder what this blueish flying object is in the middle of the movie ? Is this the secret black project Lookheed UFO ? Has anyone really seen it in nature ? Who has filmed this and is the sound that comes with it for real ? How does it work ? Also some electrostatic propulsion with high voltages ?? Best regards, Stefan. > . > Anna > > @listbot.com> > Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 1:06 PM > Subject: Fw: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight > R&D? > >Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:57 AM > >Subject: Re: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav Flight > >R&D?____________________________ > >(Comment by Richard Boylan, Ph.D.: > > > >Folks, > > > > The dialogue below is apropos the appearance on a > >recent television > >documentary on The Learning Channel of Boyd Bushman, > >executive at Lockheed-Martin aerospace corporation. During > >his interview, scenes were shown of an antigravity disc, > >(which I belive to be the Lockheed-Martin X-22A two-man > >antigravity disc I saw test-flown in a canyon between Area > >51 and the Tonopah Test Range, NV, since it had the same > >bluish ionization field around the craft's airframe.) > >As for Dr. Hutchinson of > >British Columbia, whose antigravity machine is shown also > >during that documentary levitating solid objects as well > as > >liquids like paint, I have the full-length videotape of > his > >tests. He has been visited by Pentagon and Canadian > >military officials interested in his work. > > > > The excerpt from The Learning Channel can be viewed > at: > >http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html > > > > > > It is heartwarming that the government Public > >Acclimation Program is presenting such forthright > >acknowledgement of the exotic back-engineered ET-tech > >antigravitational technology, previously shrouded in > >secrecy on black-project military bases. > > > > Richard Boylan, Ph.D. > > > > > >________ Richard Boylan, Ph.D., LLC, Post Office Box > >22310, Sacramento, > >California 95822, United States of America. Phone: (916) > >422-7479 (PDT) > >E-mail: drboylan@jps.net WEBSITE: > >http://www.jps.net/drboylan/ > > You are invited to join his UFOTruth internet > >reports-and-communications list; > >moderated by Dr. Boylan: (subscribe at: > >http://UFOTruth.listbot.com/ ); or his > >DrRichBoylanReports (reports-only) list at: > >http://DrRichBoylanReports.listbot.com/ > >++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >>CloudRider@aol.com wrote: > >>> [Farley] > >>> A question from me to you (collectively) follows. >> In > >a message dated 7/16/00 11:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >>> sarfatti@well.com writes: > >>> > >>> > Subj: Re: Real Video Lockheed-Martin Anti-Grav > Flight > >R&D? > >>> > Date: 7/16/00 11:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time > >>> > From: sarfatti@well.com (Jack Sarfatti) > >>> > To: gbekkum@mediaone.net (Gary S. Bekkum) > >>> > CC: MindForms@cs.com (Doug Groseclose) > >>> > > >>> > Bushman shows film of Hutchison's stuff, so Lockheed > >Martin is developing > >>> > that? > > > >>> > > > > Click the link at > >http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gbekkum/video/Bushman.html > > > >>> > > > > It should open up in a properly configured > Real > >Player G2 or newer. > > > >>> [Farley] > >>> Question for Jack, Gary, Hal, whoever....? > >>> Thanks for sharing your exchange with The Learning > >Channel's provocative > >>> "anti-grav" footage overlaying the interview with > >Bushman at Lockheed-Martin. > >>> But watching it, a question arises: It would be > >relatively simple to stage > >>> the effects on that "Canadian researcher's film" by > >affixing a camera to a rotating "stage," then letting the > >objects "fly up" as the turntable is spun > >>> from "down" to "up." The apparent "dripping liquid" > >(paint? milk?) is > >>> problematic but certainly not an insurmountable special > >effects obstacle. (I am reminded of the "Russian psychic" > >footage that appeared on ITN and later > >>> The Discovery Channel's stuff a few years ago, i.e., > low > >production values > >>> for something seemingly so important and quite > >"scientifically prestigious" > >>> if it's true. > >> > >>[Jack Sarfatti] > >> > >>Yes, easy to fake, that's correct, but George Hathaway, > >the Canadian "Hal Puthoff" > >>who, with informal official connections, competently > >checks out these > >>extraordinary claims in the best sense of Skeptical > >Inquiry, assures us it was not > >>faked that way. One of the people on this list is a > senior > >executive at > >>Lockheed-Martin. We also have people from intelligence > >organizations from several > >>nations lurking on this list. By the way I got to know > >Hutchison's girlfriend > >>quite well in her several month stay at 3220 in SF in > >1995. She was working with > >>Marshall McLuhan's, daughter Mary who lived next door for > >several months. From > >>that I could ascertain that they are not conmen > interested > >in money. They may be > >>crazy, but they believe in what they are doing. No > >question of that for what it's > >>worth. > >> > >>> [Farley] > >>> > >>> Why do it? Juxtapose the Canadian thing with > >philosophizing from > >>> Lockheed-Martin's resident visionary and "dream > seller?" > >From the folks who > >>> gave us Skunk Works and "Area 51's 'captured saucers'" > >in league with EG&G, > >>> an imagination is unnecessary. > >>> The usual: disinformation, deflection, titillation of > >Congressional > >>> appropriators, and the grandaddy of all objectives, > >confabulation to confuse > >>> real and potential enemies. > >> > >>[Jack] > >> > >>No, you are way off track again. It's a lot more complex > >than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 18:50:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA01056; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:50:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: <012301bfef90$3700ed80$c38afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: References: <002101bfeed7$43d9f4c0$0200a8c6@stealth> <00d701bfeedb$b31353a0$f431fea9@oemcomputer> <3971C9FB.A5A07EC2@harti.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:42:03 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"T4ghY1.0.PG.TPcSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ya, Ich habe. I see it everyday. This installation is about 2 miles from my house on a top of a hill. I have a ranch in the rural area. The lightning strikes it all the time. It looks like a huge antenna type . But sometimes is more powerful and then we hear thunder which is followed by the sudden "moving" fog and a heavy rain. The fog is interesting . It moves low on ground and looks like a fire smoke. The first time I saw it, I though it was really a smoke from the fire and almost panicked trying to figure out how and what to rescue first- my dogs or a cat. My computer is not affected by it. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Hartmann" To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > Anna M* schrieb: > > > > It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. > > How safe it is to live close to such instalations? > > Anna > > Hi Anna, > habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > > Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > > Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > influence computers and other high tech things... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "R.U. Sirius" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 8:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > > > I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I > > > think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with > > > lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right > > > conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what is > > > basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire is > > > attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket enters > > the > > > cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda > > > interesting research. > > > > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 18:59:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA05154; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:58:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: <39726748.A073C9F0@harti.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:54:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? References: <002101bfeed7$43d9f4c0$0200a8c6@stealth> <00d701bfeedb$b31353a0$f431fea9@oemcomputer> <3971C9FB.A5A07EC2@harti.com> <012301bfef90$3700ed80$c38afea9@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7oF5w3.0.PG1.TXcSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anna, interesting ! Maybe you can go up there to the guys who operate it and ask them, if you could loan them a few GigaFarad capacitors, so they can fill them up for you and you will have free electricity for your ranch during the next few days ! :) Big grin. Anyway, maybe you can tape this on a video and sell it ? I would be interested to see that. Best regards, Stefan. Anna M* schrieb: > > Ya, Ich habe. > I see it everyday. This installation is about 2 miles from my house on a top > of a hill. I have a ranch in the rural area. > The lightning strikes it all the time. It looks like a huge antenna type . > But sometimes is more powerful and then we hear thunder which is followed by > the sudden "moving" fog and a heavy rain. The fog is interesting . It moves > low on ground and looks like a fire smoke. The first time I saw it, I though > it was really a smoke from the fire and almost panicked trying to figure > out how and what to rescue first- my dogs or a cat. > My computer is not affected by it. > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Hartmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > > > > > Anna M* schrieb: > > > > > > It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. > > > How safe it is to live close to such instalations? > > > Anna > > > > Hi Anna, > > habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > > > > Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > > collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > > > > Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > > tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > > influence computers and other high tech things... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "R.U. Sirius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 8:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > > > > > I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I > > > > think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with > > > > lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right > > > > conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what > is > > > > basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire > is > > > > attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket > enters > > > the > > > > cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda > > > > interesting research. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 22:43:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA02036; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:42:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:42:52 -0700 Message-ID: <39729E05.43BA1CDF@csrlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:47:49 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! References: <200007162230.SAA08810@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"URoqY2.0.iV.RpfSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Michael, Exactly. I cut some gaps in it's code and sent it as text. It was no longer an exe file. It couldn't run as a program unless you patched the holes and turned it back into an exe file. The virus program didn't know that. It just read the text and saw virus. MJ Michael T Huffman wrote: > > Stuart wrote: > >My "InoculateIT" real-time virus scanner says the so-called "gutted" > >attachment you > >sent subsequently _IS_ the "Happy99.exe" virus. > > > >SR > > The InnoculateIT program may recognize a part of the virus, just enough to > identify it for example, but the only way to check would be to run the .exe > file and see if it was gutted enough. ;) > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 16 22:43:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA01999; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:42:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:42:49 -0700 Message-ID: <39729DFB.EF0504E6@csrlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:47:39 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! References: <3971314B.AB8C08F7@csrlink.net> <001b01bfef71$6681f8c0$478b4fd1@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jNOnO3.0.8V.PpfSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi8 Stuart, Yes, of course it was but in text form. The scanner just reads the program but it won't execute as a text document. Besides that I cut a few gaps into it's code. The scanner doesn't know that. My scanner picked it up too that way but those are it's limitations. MJ Stuart Rae wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Johnston" > To: "energy21" > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 3:51 PM > Subject: [FG]: Danger! "Happy99.exe" on the loose!!!! > > > > > MJ > > I am going to gut it and post as text in a few minutes. > > > > My "InoculateIT" real-time virus scanner says the so-called "gutted" > attachment you > sent subsequently _IS_ the "Happy99.exe" virus. > > SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 01:00:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA28527; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:58:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:58:00 -0700 Message-ID: <007201bfefc3$963e7500$d771fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: "The News From Bootes" , , , , , , , "energy21" , "kroniatalk" , , , , "skywatch discussion" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:49:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFEF88.E3FA84E0" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"yenOI1.0.Zz6.7ohSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fw: re inverse grav propulsion This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFEF88.E3FA84E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I just have been invited to visit the new web site of prof. Searl. I am passing this infomation to all of you interested in John Searl's work. Anna the only known proven inverse gravity propulsion is/was invented in the 60's by Prof John Searl of London england..we of Disc are working to produce this technology..details are at the disc web site: http://www.searleffect.com/ ..he did fly his inverse gravity searl effect powered radio controlled discs in the late 60's some into earth orbit and recovered..he lost his work including a manned saucer under construction when falsely imprisoned and his wife destroyed it all..regards..LD ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFEF88.E3FA84E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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the only known proven inverse gravity propulsion = is/was=20 invented in the 60's by Prof John Searl of London england..we of Disc = are=20 working to produce this technology..details are at the disc web=20 site:  http://www.searleffect.com/
..he did fly his inverse gravity searl effect = powered=20 radio  controlled discs in the late 60's some into earth orbit and=20 recovered..he lost his work including a manned saucer under construction = when=20 falsely imprisoned and his  wife destroyed it = all..regards..LD=20
------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFEF88.E3FA84E0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 15:09:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA20927; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:08:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01bff03b$41c799c0$f8d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:06:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aauNd2.0.q65.FFuSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael T Huffman To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? >Stefan wrote: >>Hi Anna, >>habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? >> >>Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just >>collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? >> >>Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real >>tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could >>influence computers and other high tech things... > >Hi Stefan, > >The program that I saw depicted a small rocket with a wire on a reel. The >wire ran straight to ground, with no effort made to collect the energy. The >sand where the wire end was planted into the ground was fused by the >lightning bolt into a quartz crystal glass of an unusual shape, and this >glass piece was sometimes as long as a foot, by my estimation. Fulgurites The >researchers noted that they would wait as long as possible during the >"pre-strike phase" of a cloud's charge build-up and then fire a rocket aimed >at the portion of the cloud that they thought held the highest concentration >of charged particles. In other words, this was a pre-emptive draining of >the cloud rather than waiting for the lightning to self-initiate. If they >waited too long, the lightning would self initiate randomly, and the cloud >would be drained of it's stored electron build-up. > >Ben Franklin did, indeed, experiment with cloud charges, but I don't know >the full extent of his findings. From what I have read here on this group, >he used a carbonized string on a kite, with a key attached, and he flew it >well away from the approaching stormclouds to avoid a direct lightning >strike. He also stood inside of a wooden hut while doing this, according to >the illustrations in his notes that people have spoken about. Your >depiction of him using a balloon is new to me. > >It seems to me that creating ball lightning using the variation of the >JLN/Roth Group method that I posted here before, using two parallel Glow >Discharge Panels, along with either a virtual wire between them or even a >real wire would do just as well, and be a lot safer. The windspeed over the >panels, as measured by Roth was high enough to knock off quite a few free >electrons for harvesting. It may even be possible to do this in a safer >manner by not allowing the formation of ball lightning, but harvesting those >electrons before the plasma ball formed. Only experimentation with that >would show which would be more powerful, safer, and more reliable. One >thing about this approach is that it is really cheap to build, and I think >the power harvested would be proportionately quite large, but managably so. > >Knuke >Michael T. Huffman >Huffman Technology Company >1121 Dustin Drive >The Villages, Florida 32159 >(352)259-1276 >knuke@LCIA.COM >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 15:09:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA21166; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bff039$a5047c80$f8d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:54:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TWNoW3.0.dA5.xFuSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It's not the highest, but regardless... -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: OT, but scary, *and* cool nonetheless... > > >Chris O'Barr schrieb: >> >> I often open up my garage during thunderstorms and sit in the rain to >> watch the lightning (I sit on the roof sometimes, out of spite I think). But >> I've never seen any lightning closer than a mile away. And I live in Florida >> too, the lightning capital! >> -----Original Message----- > >Be careful ! >If your hairs stands up, in the next few seconds you will be grilled ! >:) Big grin ! > >No joke ! Is your house roof the highest in the neighbourhood ? > >-- > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 15:14:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA23453; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:13:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:13:22 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01bff03b$f548f840$f8d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: re inverse grav propulsion Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:11:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01BFF01A.6D8657C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QWQeq.0.-j5._JuSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BFF01A.6D8657C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Anna M* To: The News From Bootes ; = TeslaTurbine@egroups.com ; = freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; time-space@egroups.com = ; astro-forum@egroups.com = ; Antigravity@egroups.com = ; blackvault@topica.com = ; energy21 ; kroniatalk = ; iufo@topica.com ; = mind-l@egroups.com ; time@egroups.com = ; skywatch discussion = Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:03 AM Subject: [FG]: Fw: re inverse grav propulsion Hello, I just have been invited to visit the new web site of=20 prof. Searl. I am passing this infomation to all of you interested in = John Searl's work. Anna the only known proven inverse gravity propulsion is/was invented in = the 60's by Prof John Searl of London england..we of Disc are working to = produce this technology..details are at the disc web site: = http://www.searleffect.com/ ..he did fly his inverse gravity searl effect powered radio = controlled discs in the late 60's some into earth orbit and = recovered..he lost his work including a manned saucer under construction = when falsely imprisoned and his wife destroyed it all..regards..LD=20 Just like Sequoya (ya' know, the Cherokee guy). He was gone one day = and his crazy wife thought the language he was creating was evil, so she = burned the house down. I know this is off topic, I'm sorry. :( ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BFF01A.6D8657C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From:=20 Anna M* <pantheon@ix.netcom.com>
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Date:=20 Monday, July 17, 2000 4:03 AM
Subject: [FG]: Fw: re = inverse grav=20 propulsion

Hello, I just have been invited to visit the new = web site of=20
prof. Searl. I am passing this infomation to all = of you=20 interested in John Searl's work.
Anna
 
 
the only known proven inverse gravity = propulsion is/was=20 invented in the 60's by Prof John Searl of London england..we of Disc = are=20 working to produce this technology..details are at the disc web=20 site:  http://www.searleffect.com/
..he did fly his inverse gravity searl effect = powered=20 radio  controlled discs in the late 60's some into earth orbit = and=20 recovered..he lost his work including a manned saucer under = construction when=20 falsely imprisoned and his  wife destroyed it = all..regards..LD=20
 
Just like Sequoya (ya' know, the Cherokee guy). He = was gone=20 one day and his crazy wife thought the language he was creating was = evil, so=20 she burned the house down. I know this is off topic, I'm sorry.=20 :(
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BFF01A.6D8657C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 16:11:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15325; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:10:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: <20000717231019.26290.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"eghx_2.0.Gl3.S9vSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Sound on mpeg file? This might interest the Newman crowd, if such a thing exists. I have composed a 5.8 MB mpeg file of 1min 19 secs on Windows Media player showing the rotation of a 50 lb magnet rotor in the side /polar 4 field coil arrangement. The side coils are wired so that they produce a magnetic field in opposition to the polar for a magnetic compression field effect. I can send this file to interested parties, but it appears that no sound is contained in this file, so I would venture to ask if it is possible to make a mpeg file with sound? ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 16:40:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA27363; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:39:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:39:20 -0700 Message-ID: <005401bff048$2c5d8060$865cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: References: <007201bfefc3$963e7500$d771fea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: re inverse grav propulsion Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:38:49 -0400 Organization: Unconventional Conventionalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"f4tvg2.0.5h6.cavSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > the only known proven inverse gravity propulsion is/was invented in the 60's > by Prof John Searl of London england..we of Disc are working to produce this > technology..details are at the disc web site: http://www.searleffect.com/ > ..he did fly his inverse gravity searl effect powered radio controlled > discs in the late 60's some into earth orbit and recovered.. Hmmm... I thought they took off and were never seen again. Anyway, this is a pay site so I probably won't be visiting it again. -- "I am not an Anarchist in *your* sense of the word : your brain is too dense for any known explosive to affect it." --Aleister Crowley From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 17:10:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA07284; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:09:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <39739F2F.30FAFE6B@harti.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:05:03 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: re inverse grav propulsion References: <007201bfefc3$963e7500$d771fea9@oemcomputer> <005401bff048$2c5d8060$865cadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yQu0C2.0.jn1.A1wSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All the Searl stuff smells pretty much like snake oil ! Look at the tempered photos on his site... all done via Photoshop... So it could be, it never flew.... A few years back in a German magazine there was a report of a guy trying to visit Searl and verify his claims, but all he found out was, that it all could be not verified and all the Searl stories smelled like wishful thinking... Be careful... Regards, Stefan. "Jim Shaffer, Jr." schrieb: > > > the only known proven inverse gravity propulsion is/was invented in the 60's > > by Prof John Searl of London england..we of Disc are working to produce this > > technology..details are at the disc web site: http://www.searleffect.com/ > > ..he did fly his inverse gravity searl effect powered radio controlled > > discs in the late 60's some into earth orbit and recovered.. > > Hmmm... I thought they took off and were never seen again. Anyway, this is a > pay site so I probably won't be visiting it again. > > -- > "I am not an Anarchist in *your* sense of the word : > your brain is too dense for any known explosive to affect it." > > --Aleister Crowley -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 18:54:39 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA12471; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:53:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:53:50 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01bff05b$6ade31a0$5d5814cf@multipath> From: "Rex Doane" To: References: <002e01bff03b$41c799c0$f8d666ce@default> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:56:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"qe3-Z3.0.h23.jYxSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as opposed to a lightning rod. The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, thereby protecting the building. The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through many points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing if anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. Rex > >Stefan wrote: > >>Hi Anna, > >>habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > >> > >>Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > >>collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > >> > >>Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > >>tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > >>influence computers and other high tech things... > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > >The program that I saw depicted a small rocket with a wire on a reel. The > >wire ran straight to ground, with no effort made to collect the energy. > The > >sand where the wire end was planted into the ground was fused by the > >lightning bolt into a quartz crystal glass of an unusual shape, and this > >glass piece was sometimes as long as a foot, by my estimation. > > Fulgurites > > The > >researchers noted that they would wait as long as possible during the > >"pre-strike phase" of a cloud's charge build-up and then fire a rocket > aimed > >at the portion of the cloud that they thought held the highest > concentration > >of charged particles. In other words, this was a pre-emptive draining of > >the cloud rather than waiting for the lightning to self-initiate. If they > >waited too long, the lightning would self initiate randomly, and the cloud > >would be drained of it's stored electron build-up. > > > >Ben Franklin did, indeed, experiment with cloud charges, but I don't know > >the full extent of his findings. From what I have read here on this group, > >he used a carbonized string on a kite, with a key attached, and he flew it > >well away from the approaching stormclouds to avoid a direct lightning > >strike. He also stood inside of a wooden hut while doing this, according > to > >the illustrations in his notes that people have spoken about. Your > >depiction of him using a balloon is new to me. > > > >It seems to me that creating ball lightning using the variation of the > >JLN/Roth Group method that I posted here before, using two parallel Glow > >Discharge Panels, along with either a virtual wire between them or even a > >real wire would do just as well, and be a lot safer. The windspeed over > the > >panels, as measured by Roth was high enough to knock off quite a few free > >electrons for harvesting. It may even be possible to do this in a safer > >manner by not allowing the formation of ball lightning, but harvesting > those > >electrons before the plasma ball formed. Only experimentation with that > >would show which would be more powerful, safer, and more reliable. One > >thing about this approach is that it is really cheap to build, and I think > >the power harvested would be proportionately quite large, but managably so. > > > >Knuke > >Michael T. Huffman > >Huffman Technology Company > >1121 Dustin Drive > >The Villages, Florida 32159 > >(352)259-1276 > >knuke@LCIA.COM > >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 19:29:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27809; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:29:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01bff05f$31c1b140$a13dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: References: <007201bfefc3$963e7500$d771fea9@oemcomputer> <005401bff048$2c5d8060$865cadd1@default> <39739F2F.30FAFE6B@harti.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: The Searl Mythos. Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:23:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cg7ph3.0.Qo6.y3ySv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > All the Searl stuff smells pretty much like snake oil ! > Look at the tempered photos on his site... > all done via Photoshop... > So it could be, it never flew.... ***** Hooray for Stefan! This was my impression entirely, going way back to the late eighties. Before Photoshop software was around, I thought that most of the photos looked childishly fake. I remember one that appeared in "Ether Technology" that was supposed to show workers inside of a large disc superstructure or framework. They were obviously small plastic dolls or figurines. > > A few years back in a German magazine there was a report of a guy > trying to visit Searl and verify his claims, but all he found out was, > that it all could be not verified and all the Searl stories > smelled like wishful thinking... > Be careful... ******* In 1989, I tried replicating some of the very basic Searl claims, with rotating discs and coils; before he started espousing the hideously non-reproducible roller magnets. Nothing, outside of a few milliamps of induced EMF. My opinion is based on this observation: The talk and hype about Searl's supposed machines has grown exponentially, and in inverse proportion to any amount of independent verification or available experimental results. Where are any even remotely successful verifications of his designs? Nowhere. Every experimenter I know of who took on Searl's designs gave up because at every step, they became more hyperspecific as to materials and geometry. Sorry, folks, if I am being utterly contrarian on this. I offer not fact here, but my opinion as an experimenter and day-job scientist. And my opinion is that the Searl Discs are pure mythos. There were plenty of other great anti- gravity minds over the years. Honest scientists who dared and tried to publish. Better to follow in their footsteps, and like Newton's famous statement, stand on their shoulders; TT Brown, Hooper, Dudley, Wallace, Wagner, Woodward. Even Gianni Dotto and his Ring device had more witnesses and experimental basis than Mr. Searl (who by the way is NOT a doctor, or professor) NR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 20:19:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA08295; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:13:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:13:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01BFEF0D.E6874020" Content-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <"nb_GT.0.S12.RjySv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Hermetic Order/Secret Research Scientists (fwd) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BFEF0D.E6874020 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:09:17 -0600 From: Buster Anderson To: Bill Beaty Subject: Hermetic Order/Secret Research Scientists Bil-Could you post this on your site. Thank you - Buster Buster: I am trying to make contact with members of a Hermetic Order based = in Chicago. The reason being, a number of secret research scientists belong= ing to a Hermetic Order, held a meeting in NY where they talked about free = energy devices. In 1994, they held a meeting in Chicago where the building = they met was powered by free energy. In 1999, an article mentioned that a n= umber of members were using free energy in their own homes.The articles are= on http://www.trufax.org/w5.html. They give articles on brain research, ea= rth resonance grids, what they found on the moon, conflict between the bank= ers and technocrats etc. which can be very interesting. Also they are worki= ng on liquid light for healing, have duplicated over 100 mpg carburetor, an= d other quite interesting stuff. I have studied on free energy since 1983, = have 4 yrs of mechanical engineering, read lots on spirituality and would v= ery much to contact a member of their order if possible. Any leads on spiri= tual contacts that might know how to contact them in the Chicago Area would= be very much appreciated. e-mail Buster beenergy@telusplanet.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BFEF0D.E6874020-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 17 21:05:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA26452; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:05:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:05:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bff008$e3fee280$b31b16cb@rogerdw> From: "Roger Weichert" To: References: <007201bfefc3$963e7500$d771fea9@oemcomputer> <005401bff048$2c5d8060$865cadd1@default> <39739F2F.30FAFE6B@harti.com> <002d01bff05f$31c1b140$a13dee3f@default> Subject: Re: [FG]: The Searl Mythos. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:35:55 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"gAeNb1.0.DT6.2UzSv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > > All the Searl stuff smells pretty much like snake oil ! > > Look at the tempered photos on his site... > > all done via Photoshop... > > So it could be, it never flew.... > > ***** Hooray for Stefan! This was my impression entirely, going way back > to the late eighties Hi Stefan and Nick As much as I'd like to believe in Searl and his disks, I have to ask the question, If he could build a series of disks, from the age of 14 no less, which flew, the first going through the ceiling, how come he cant show us anything now? I heard him at a lecture in Melbourne Aust and he tried to claim that magnets are made differently now !!! Well if he made them once himself with the resources of a 14 yr old, it should be easier now by far. IMO the guy is a "story teller" ! His parting comment from his lecture was that on his return to Britain they would begin work on the first of the landing legs for the new disk. You'd think that perhaps the propulsion system should come first !!! Leave the landing legs to the plebs ! Seeya : ) Roger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 02:58:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA01585; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:57:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: <014f01bff09d$6fa3ca00$0a69fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:49:13 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"-n9fL2.0.XO.Oe2Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Hermetic Order/Secret Research Scientists (fwd) Are you sure about such Order? This 'trufax" sounds like a conspiracy journal. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Beaty" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 8:13 PM Subject: [FG]: Hermetic Order/Secret Research Scientists (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:09:17 -0600 From: Buster Anderson To: Bill Beaty Subject: Hermetic Order/Secret Research Scientists Bil-Could you post this on your site. Thank you - Buster Buster: I am trying to make contact with members of a Hermetic Order based in Chicago. The reason being, a number of secret research scientists belonging to a Hermetic Order, held a meeting in NY where they talked about free energy devices. In 1994, they held a meeting in Chicago where the building they met was powered by free energy. In 1999, an article mentioned that a number of members were using free energy in their own homes.The articles are on http://www.trufax.org/w5.html. They give articles on brain research, earth resonance grids, what they found on the moon, conflict between the bankers and technocrats etc. which can be very interesting. Also they are working on liquid light for healing, have duplicated over 100 mpg carburetor, and other quite interesting stuff. I have studied on free energy since 1983, have 4 yrs of mechanical engineering, read lots on spirituality and would very much to contact a member of their order if possible. Any leads on spiritual contacts that might know how to contact them in the Chicago Area would be very much appreciated. e-mail Buster beenergy@telusplanet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 04:05:45 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA16125; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:05:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:05:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:05:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200007181105.HAA12896@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Hermetic Order/Secret Research Scientists (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"7dbq63.0.sx3.hd3Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Are you sure about such Order? This 'trufax" sounds like a conspiracy >journal. >Anna The world headquarters for the Theosophical Society is located in Wheaton, Illinois, which is a suburb of the Windy City. They may be connected with that. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 05:49:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA02837; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:43:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bff0b5$da0794e0$7b0110ac@sbynoc1> From: "Gregory J. Gay" To: References: <002e01bff03b$41c799c0$f8d666ce@default> <008a01bff05b$6ade31a0$5d5814cf@multipath> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:44:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"biKVf1.0.Ai.D45Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Actually, you have this backwards. I pointed lighting rod will try to "drain slowly" the electrons precisly because of the smaller area, it's a small stream that flows to the ground. With a round or mushroom shape, there is a much larger area for the electrons to flow to, and therefore cause a large strike. So I'm not asking you to "take my word for it", here's a simple experiment you can do yourself. Get or build or buy, borrow, whatever, a small Vandegraf generator. Get some sort of metal pole, etc.. with a sphere or mushroom shape on the end. Get another pole with a nail or something like that on the end. When you hold the rod and put the nail up towards the generator, you really shouldn't notice anything, maybe your hair standing up, but that's about it. Take the pole with the sphere/mushroom on it and do the same thing. The suddent discharge will give you quite a shock (as well as a substantial spark)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Doane" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison > invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as > opposed to a lightning rod. > > The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, > thereby protecting the building. > > The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through many > points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge > path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped > withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing if > anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. > > Rex > > > > > > > >Stefan wrote: > > >>Hi Anna, > > >>habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > > >> > > >>Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > > >>collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > > >> > > >>Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > > >>tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > > >>influence computers and other high tech things... > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > >The program that I saw depicted a small rocket with a wire on a reel. > The > > >wire ran straight to ground, with no effort made to collect the energy. > > The > > >sand where the wire end was planted into the ground was fused by the > > >lightning bolt into a quartz crystal glass of an unusual shape, and this > > >glass piece was sometimes as long as a foot, by my estimation. > > > > Fulgurites > > > > The > > >researchers noted that they would wait as long as possible during the > > >"pre-strike phase" of a cloud's charge build-up and then fire a rocket > > aimed > > >at the portion of the cloud that they thought held the highest > > concentration > > >of charged particles. In other words, this was a pre-emptive draining of > > >the cloud rather than waiting for the lightning to self-initiate. If > they > > >waited too long, the lightning would self initiate randomly, and the > cloud > > >would be drained of it's stored electron build-up. > > > > > >Ben Franklin did, indeed, experiment with cloud charges, but I don't know > > >the full extent of his findings. From what I have read here on this > group, > > >he used a carbonized string on a kite, with a key attached, and he flew > it > > >well away from the approaching stormclouds to avoid a direct lightning > > >strike. He also stood inside of a wooden hut while doing this, according > > to > > >the illustrations in his notes that people have spoken about. Your > > >depiction of him using a balloon is new to me. > > > > > >It seems to me that creating ball lightning using the variation of the > > >JLN/Roth Group method that I posted here before, using two parallel Glow > > >Discharge Panels, along with either a virtual wire between them or even a > > >real wire would do just as well, and be a lot safer. The windspeed over > > the > > >panels, as measured by Roth was high enough to knock off quite a few free > > >electrons for harvesting. It may even be possible to do this in a safer > > >manner by not allowing the formation of ball lightning, but harvesting > > those > > >electrons before the plasma ball formed. Only experimentation with that > > >would show which would be more powerful, safer, and more reliable. One > > >thing about this approach is that it is really cheap to build, and I > think > > >the power harvested would be proportionately quite large, but managably > so. > > > > > >Knuke > > >Michael T. Huffman > > >Huffman Technology Company > > >1121 Dustin Drive > > >The Villages, Florida 32159 > > >(352)259-1276 > > >knuke@LCIA.COM > > >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 05:49:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA02960; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:44:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bff0b5$e7d55d50$7b0110ac@sbynoc1> From: "Gregory J. Gay" To: References: <002e01bff03b$41c799c0$f8d666ce@default> <008a01bff05b$6ade31a0$5d5814cf@multipath> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:44:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MvKHy3.0.9k.Y45Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Actually, you have this backwards. I pointed lighting rod will try to "drain slowly" the electrons precisly because of the smaller area, it's a small stream that flows to the ground. With a round or mushroom shape, there is a much larger area for the electrons to flow to, and therefore cause a large strike. So I'm not asking you to "take my word for it", here's a simple experiment you can do yourself. Get or build or buy, borrow, whatever, a small Vandegraf generator. Get some sort of metal pole, etc.. with a sphere or mushroom shape on the end. Get another pole with a nail or something like that on the end. When you hold the rod and put the nail up towards the generator, you really shouldn't notice anything, maybe your hair standing up, but that's about it. Take the pole with the sphere/mushroom on it and do the same thing. The suddent discharge will give you quite a shock (as well as a substantial spark)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Doane" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison > invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as > opposed to a lightning rod. > > The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, > thereby protecting the building. > > The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through many > points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge > path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped > withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing if > anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. > > Rex > > > > > > > >Stefan wrote: > > >>Hi Anna, > > >>habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > > >> > > >>Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > > >>collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > > >> > > >>Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > > >>tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > > >>influence computers and other high tech things... > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > >The program that I saw depicted a small rocket with a wire on a reel. > The > > >wire ran straight to ground, with no effort made to collect the energy. > > The > > >sand where the wire end was planted into the ground was fused by the > > >lightning bolt into a quartz crystal glass of an unusual shape, and this > > >glass piece was sometimes as long as a foot, by my estimation. > > > > Fulgurites > > > > The > > >researchers noted that they would wait as long as possible during the > > >"pre-strike phase" of a cloud's charge build-up and then fire a rocket > > aimed > > >at the portion of the cloud that they thought held the highest > > concentration > > >of charged particles. In other words, this was a pre-emptive draining of > > >the cloud rather than waiting for the lightning to self-initiate. If > they > > >waited too long, the lightning would self initiate randomly, and the > cloud > > >would be drained of it's stored electron build-up. > > > > > >Ben Franklin did, indeed, experiment with cloud charges, but I don't know > > >the full extent of his findings. From what I have read here on this > group, > > >he used a carbonized string on a kite, with a key attached, and he flew > it > > >well away from the approaching stormclouds to avoid a direct lightning > > >strike. He also stood inside of a wooden hut while doing this, according > > to > > >the illustrations in his notes that people have spoken about. Your > > >depiction of him using a balloon is new to me. > > > > > >It seems to me that creating ball lightning using the variation of the > > >JLN/Roth Group method that I posted here before, using two parallel Glow > > >Discharge Panels, along with either a virtual wire between them or even a > > >real wire would do just as well, and be a lot safer. The windspeed over > > the > > >panels, as measured by Roth was high enough to knock off quite a few free > > >electrons for harvesting. It may even be possible to do this in a safer > > >manner by not allowing the formation of ball lightning, but harvesting > > those > > >electrons before the plasma ball formed. Only experimentation with that > > >would show which would be more powerful, safer, and more reliable. One > > >thing about this approach is that it is really cheap to build, and I > think > > >the power harvested would be proportionately quite large, but managably > so. > > > > > >Knuke > > >Michael T. Huffman > > >Huffman Technology Company > > >1121 Dustin Drive > > >The Villages, Florida 32159 > > >(352)259-1276 > > >knuke@LCIA.COM > > >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 06:30:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA16621; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:29:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:29:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:29:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup X-Sender: w9sz@bluestem To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? In-Reply-To: <008a01bff05b$6ade31a0$5d5814cf@multipath> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QZXs13.0.c34.Jl5Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Rex Doane wrote: > I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison > invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as > opposed to a lightning rod. > > The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, > thereby protecting the building. > > The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through many > points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge > path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped > withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing if > anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. > > Rex > I know Tesla patented this idea - I have the patent right in front of me. It's US Patent # 1,266,175, "Lightning-Protector", patented May 14, 1918. The theory you noted above is correct per Tesla's patent, which is complete with formulas. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 10:10:00 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09593; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:08:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:08:59 -0700 From: dtmiller@midiowa.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:09:12 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@midiowa.net Message-ID: <39758de5.46042695@mail.midiowa.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA09539 Resent-Message-ID: <"faV6w2.0.nL2.hy8Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Zack and All, On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:29:52 -0500 (CDT), Zack Widup wrote: >On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Rex Doane wrote: > >> I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison >> invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as >> opposed to a lightning rod. >> >> The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, >> thereby protecting the building. >I know Tesla patented this idea - I have the patent right in front of me. >It's US Patent # 1,266,175, "Lightning-Protector", patented May 14, 1918. > >The theory you noted above is correct per Tesla's patent, which is >complete with formulas. Well, both Edison and Tesla were wrong! A smooth, non-spikey surface allows a much, much larger buildup of static potential. A spiked or pointed surface will allow the static to drain (assuming the spike is grounded) before achieving flashover voltage. Look at the Lightning Eliminators WWW site for details: http://www.lightningeliminators.com/technica.htm -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 10:31:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA29868; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000718172331.9598.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [166.102.82.182] From: "Colin Cain" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:23:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ItkjO3.0.SI7.-A9Tv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Orbital Mass Is it possible to calculate the mass of an orbiting object from the orbital parameters of that object? Is there a formula? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 16:03:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA04394; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:03:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:03:24 -0700 From: Fucian@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:02:33 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Beware of Searl ! Snake oil ! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: <"YcwbW.0.Q41.x8ETv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com anyone have any cheap HE-NE laser tubes? matt From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 18 16:06:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA02775; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:59:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3974E037.F4085291@harti.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:54:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 2 (High) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jVFPr2.0.5h.H5ETv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Beware of Searl ! Snake oil ! > > AND: I corresponded a time with Searle's people ... never was > "allowed" to speak with him directly. I investigated the thinking ... as > esposed by their then spokes person... as to which materials they wanted > to use, and why, and why it would cost a million... instead of making a > demonstration unit for less. I never could get a sound answer why they > needed the big dollars. My general understanding is that they need the > larger funds because they wanted to build a BIG one... that would fly and > make free energy... > AND: The basis for and reasoning for their choice of > material... this being, in part, why they wanted so much funding, was > never clear. The spokes person again and again said they needed to make > one part from Neodymium, or Nd. It sounded, a little bit, as though they > did not have a strong sense of materials' sciences and wanted or thought > they NEEDED to use Nd, not an alloy of Nd, but pure Nd, because; > > a] someone told them they needed this > b] they were mixed up with NdFeB magnets, maybe a > little bit > c] believed they needed a specific, but not well > defined magnetic material property that could ONLY be supplied by pure > Nd... but they could not tell me how or why Nd and only Nd would do what > it was supposed to do. ...which is not clear. > > All the Searl stuff smells pretty much like snake oil ! > Look at the tempered photos on his site... > all done via Photoshop... > So it could be, it never flew.... ***** Hooray for Stefan! This was my impression entirely, going way back to the late eighties. Before Photoshop software was around, I thought that most of the photos looked childishly fake. I remember one that appeared in "Ether Technology" that was supposed to show workers inside of a large disc superstructure or framework. They were obviously small plastic dolls or figurines. > > A few years back in a German magazine there was a report of a guy > trying to visit Searl and verify his claims, but all he found out was, > that it all could be not verified and all the Searl stories > smelled like wishful thinking... > Be careful... ******* In 1989, I tried replicating some of the very basic Searl claims, with rotating discs and coils; before he started espousing the hideously non-reproducible roller magnets. Nothing, outside of a few milliamps of induced EMF. My opinion is based on this observation: The talk and hype about Searl's supposed machines has grown exponentially, and in inverse proportion to any amount of independent verification or available experimental results. Where are any even remotely successful verifications of his designs? Nowhere. Every experimenter I know of who took on Searl's designs gave up because at every step, they became more hyperspecific as to materials and geometry. Sorry, folks, if I am being utterly contrarian on this. I offer not fact here, but my opinion as an experimenter and day-job scientist. And my opinion is that the Searl Discs are pure mythos. There were plenty of other great anti- gravity minds over the years. Honest scientists who dared and tried to publish. Better to follow in their footsteps, and like Newton's famous statement, stand on their shoulders; TT Brown, Hooper, Dudley, Wallace, Wagner, Woodward. Even Gianni Dotto and his Ring device had more witnesses and experimental basis than Mr. Searl (who by the way is NOT a doctor, or professor) -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 02:00:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA17616; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:54:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:54:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bff15f$958d0f20$ce9da0d1@pavilion> From: "Norm Silliman" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:59:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XuDzH1.0.9J4.UpMTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com From: Gregory J. Gay Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:44 AM >Actually, you have this backwards. I pointed lighting rod will try to >"drain slowly" the electrons precisly because of the smaller area, it's a >small stream that flows to the ground. With a round or mushroom shape, >there is a much larger area for the electrons to flow to, and therefore >cause a large strike. > >So I'm not asking you to "take my word for it", here's a simple experiment >you can do yourself. Get or build or buy, borrow, whatever, a small >Vandegraf generator. Get some sort of metal pole, etc.. with a sphere or >mushroom shape on the end. Get another pole with a nail or something like >that on the end. When you hold the rod and put the nail up towards the >generator, you really shouldn't notice anything, maybe your hair standing >up, but that's about it. Take the pole with the sphere/mushroom on it and >do the same thing. The suddent discharge will give you quite a shock (as >well as a substantial spark)... Your experience seems to be different from mine. If I approach my vdg (small, about 40/50 k volts) with the back of my hand (roughly simular to your mushroom shape end) I get a large build up of induced charge on my hand and arm. If I come a little closer, I get discharges via the individual hairs sticking out from my hand. If I approach my vdg with the point of my finger, I get little induced charge on my arm but a direct discharge from my finger-nail. I judge (subjectively) the finger-nail discharge to be greater than the back of my hand, but that might be a result of the greater number of sense organs in my finger vs the back-of-my-hand. >From: "Rex Doane" >Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:56 PM > >> I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison >> invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as >> opposed to a lightning rod. >> >> The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, >> thereby protecting the building. >> >> The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through many >> points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge >> path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped >> withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing >if >> anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. >> >> Rex >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 06:56:08 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22933; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:55:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:55:38 -0700 Message-ID: <017901bff189$954f9ee0$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <002101bfeed7$43d9f4c0$0200a8c6@stealth> <00d701bfeedb$b31353a0$f431fea9@oemcomputer> <3971C9FB.A5A07EC2@harti.com> <012301bfef90$3700ed80$c38afea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:59:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"U9OjS3.0.Ac5.QDRTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is the fog and the heavy rain caused by the lightning strike? ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna M* To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > Ya, Ich habe. > I see it everyday. This installation is about 2 miles from my house on a top > of a hill. I have a ranch in the rural area. > The lightning strikes it all the time. It looks like a huge antenna type . > But sometimes is more powerful and then we hear thunder which is followed by > the sudden "moving" fog and a heavy rain. The fog is interesting . It moves > low on ground and looks like a fire smoke. The first time I saw it, I though > it was really a smoke from the fire and almost panicked trying to figure > out how and what to rescue first- my dogs or a cat. > My computer is not affected by it. > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Hartmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > > > > > > Anna M* schrieb: > > > > > > It is here in So. Az in Sahuarita near Green Valley. > > > How safe it is to live close to such instalations? > > > Anna > > > > Hi Anna, > > habe you seen it personnaly, how they tap the strike ? > > > > Is there a real lightning with it , or do they just > > collect some static electricity without a real strike lightning ? > > > > Probably not more dangerous when you live nearby as if a real > > tunderstorm went by. Only the electromagnetic radiation could > > influence computers and other high tech things... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "R.U. Sirius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 8:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? > > > > > > > I forget the name of the place, but somewhere (in a desert in the US I > > > > think) there is a research facility that does all sorts of stuff with > > > > lightning strikes. They "induce" the strike by waiting for the right > > > > conditions (a cloud above with a big potential) and then fire off what > is > > > > basically a model rocket with a copper wire attached to it. The wire > is > > > > attached at the other end to their equipment, and when the rocket > enters > > > the > > > > cloud, bang, instant lightning directly to their equipment. Kinda > > > > interesting research. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 07:10:20 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA28154; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:09:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:09:29 -0700 Message-ID: <01b701bff18b$846198c0$8002a8c0@americanengr.com> From: "Sam Garza" To: References: <20000717231019.26290.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Sound on mpeg file? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:13:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"FDT3m1.0.pt6.PQRTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Could I get a copy of the video? ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey norris To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: [FG]: Sound on mpeg file? This might interest the Newman crowd, if such a thing exists. I have composed a 5.8 MB mpeg file of 1min 19 secs on Windows Media player showing the rotation of a 50 lb magnet rotor in the side /polar 4 field coil arrangement. The side coils are wired so that they produce a magnetic field in opposition to the polar for a magnetic compression field effect. I can send this file to interested parties, but it appears that no sound is contained in this file, so I would venture to ask if it is possible to make a mpeg file with sound? ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 09:20:17 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA11994; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:19:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:19:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCurdy, Dennis" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" , jlnlabs@egroups.com, ou-builders@egroups.com, Newman-L Mailing List Subject: RE: [FG]: Beware of Searl ! Snake oil ! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:17:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"p-FhH2.0.Ex2.7KTTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I've been following Searl for many years and I still hold out a smattering of hope that his device will work. I have the same questions that everyone else has, but one thing stands out in my mind from a couple years ago and that is if someone wanted to be an official "licensed" builder of one of his devices. If you wanted to do that then you had to pay him $50,000 every 6 months for the privilege! I think he has since withdrawn the "opportunity" (no suc.., er, takers probably...), but I thought it was a rather strange way to encourage independent verification of his technology. The first objective in his business and financial plan is to build a working prototype of the SEG for demonstration purposes. I started following this in the early 90's and there still isn't one (to my knowledge). He only seems to produce more books. __________________________________________________ Dennis L. McCurdy (dennis.mccurdy@hboc.com) McKessonHBOC Advanced Laboratory Group From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 09:45:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA22663; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:44:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00da01bff19f$5cf4bba0$ef2f9fca@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: References: <002301bff15f$958d0f20$ce9da0d1@pavilion> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:12:56 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ggBhm2.0.xX5.jhTTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sounds like you folks need to get your polarity right. The negative side discharges electrons off a point better than a smooth surface. Not being critical, just trying to help.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Norm Silliman To: Sent: 2000 July 19, Wednesday 15:59 Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? | From: Gregory J. Gay | Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:44 AM | | | >Actually, you have this backwards. I pointed lighting rod will try to | >"drain slowly" the electrons precisly because of the smaller area, it's a | >small stream that flows to the ground. With a round or mushroom shape, | >there is a much larger area for the electrons to flow to, and therefore | >cause a large strike. | > | >So I'm not asking you to "take my word for it", here's a simple experiment | >you can do yourself. Get or build or buy, borrow, whatever, a small | >Vandegraf generator. Get some sort of metal pole, etc.. with a sphere or | >mushroom shape on the end. Get another pole with a nail or something like | >that on the end. When you hold the rod and put the nail up towards the | >generator, you really shouldn't notice anything, maybe your hair standing | >up, but that's about it. Take the pole with the sphere/mushroom on it and | >do the same thing. The suddent discharge will give you quite a shock (as | >well as a substantial spark)... | | Your experience seems to be different from mine. | | If I approach my vdg (small, about 40/50 k volts) with the back of my | hand (roughly simular to your mushroom shape end) I get a large build | up of induced charge on my hand and arm. If I come a little closer, | I get discharges via the individual hairs sticking out from my hand. | | If I approach my vdg with the point of my finger, I get little induced | charge | on my arm but a direct discharge from my finger-nail. | | I judge (subjectively) the finger-nail discharge to be greater than the back | of my hand, but that might be a result of the greater number of sense | organs in my finger vs the back-of-my-hand. | | >From: "Rex Doane" | >Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:56 PM | > | >> I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison | >> invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as | >> opposed to a lightning rod. | >> | >> The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, | >> thereby protecting the building. | >> | >> The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through | many | >> points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge | >> path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped | >> withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing | >if | >> anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. | >> | >> Rex | >> | | | From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 13:48:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA00671; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:38:53 -0700 From: "Rick Dunn" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_D08892E6.11701FBA" Resent-Message-ID: <"ikjoP3.0.GA.m8XTv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Gravity Warp Cap This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_D08892E6.11701FBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, How are the experiments coming along with the grav caps? I saw a program the other evening on "Nova" about some claimed UFO = crash sites. It was interesting that at one of the sites they found some = fragments of metal that they sent to a metallurgist to have analyzed. They = found that the metal fragments were composed of alternating micron thin = layers of magnesium and bismuth. So keep up the good work, I think you = guys are on the right track. Rick --=_D08892E6.11701FBA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Hey guys,
     How are the experiments = coming along=20 with the grav caps?
 
     I saw a program the other = evening on=20 "Nova" about some claimed UFO crash sites. It was interesting = that at=20 one of the sites they found some fragments of metal that they sent to a=20 metallurgist to have analyzed. They found that the metal fragments were = composed=20 of alternating micron thin layers of magnesium and bismuth. So keep up the = good=20 work, I think you guys are on the right track.
 
Rick
--=_D08892E6.11701FBA-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 13:58:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA05415; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01bff1c5$b2ed2300$983056c3@avd> From: "Aris" To: References: <200006252204447.SM00254@m2w018.mail2web.com> <012e01bfe012$e132cfe0$0201a8c0@m> <395F9757.BB01FD70@harti.com> <001501bfe48f$4b6aa600$0201a8c0@m> <39606208.98C12F32@harti.com> <010d01bfe55c$e94f3f20$0201a8c0@m> <39644270.F1C85499@harti.com> <0 <008701bfeaf3$5faba460$0201a8c0@m> <39704E1E.578CF6AB@harti.com> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Watercar news. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:09:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"WnKUW.0.TK1.UOXTv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > He told me, that the home power plant is just as big > as a small Sony radio and it delivers huge power, but he and > He also mentioned, that Dingle has put things into the car motor room, > that donīt have > any function to prevent people to know too fast, how it works , so they > are confused, > because the invention is so easy to build he said. equals my opinion that the car is "electrical powered"... all the engine and oil stuff are to confuse our simple minds... only sony sized generator and an electric engine to drive the fake valves exhausting real but also "useless" steam... at this moment i'm thinking this generator might be a Tesla like apparatus and i hope, maybe Stefan can affirm, this is a reliable source?! anyway an interesting person, the way he works, like to meet him... regards, Aris... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 15:14:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08418; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:12:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:12:17 -0700 Message-ID: <397628EF.40975424@csrlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:17:19 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael S. Johnston" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0BA375EC65C7A5EA3FC4B5E9" Resent-Message-ID: <"fY3Z92.0.632.1VYTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: [Fwd: A mystery of Earth's wobble solved: It's the ocean] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0BA375EC65C7A5EA3FC4B5E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------0BA375EC65C7A5EA3FC4B5E9 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from www-onlab.jpl.nasa.gov (www-onlab.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.99.25]) by uplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16336; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jplnews@localhost) by www-onlab.jpl.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19101; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: JPLNews@jpl.nasa.gov Subject: A mystery of Earth's wobble solved: It's the ocean Reply-To: news-owner@www.jpl.nasa.gov To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION http://www.jpl.nasa.gov Contact: Rosemary Sullivant (818) 354-0474 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 18, 2000 A MYSTERY OF EARTH'S WOBBLE SOLVED: IT'S THE OCEAN The century-old mystery of Earth's "Chandler wobble" has been solved by a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. The Chandler wobble, named for its 1891 discoverer, Seth Carlo Chandler, Jr., an American businessman turned astronomer, is one of several wobbling motions exhibited by Earth as it rotates on its axis, much as a top wobbles as it spins. Scientists have been particularly intrigued by the Chandler wobble, since its cause has remained a mystery even though it has been under observation for over a century. Its period is only around 433 days, or just 1.2 years, meaning that it takes that amount of time to complete one wobble. The wobble amounts to about 20 feet at the North Pole. It has been calculated that the Chandler wobble would be damped down, or reduced to zero, in just 68 years, unless some force were constantly acting to reinvigorate it. But what is that force, or excitation mechanism? Over the years, various hypotheses have been put forward, such as atmospheric phenomena, continental water storage (changes in snow cover, river runoff, lake levels, or reservoir capacities), interaction at the boundary of Earth's core and its surrounding mantle, and earthquakes. Writing in the August 1 issue of Geophysical Research Letters, Richard Gross, a JPL geophysicist, reports that the principal cause of the Chandler wobble is fluctuating pressure on the bottom of the ocean, caused by temperature and salinity changes and wind-driven changes in the circulation of the oceans. He determined this by applying numerical models of the oceans, which have only recently become available through the work of other researchers, to data on the Chandler wobble obtained during the years 1985-1995. Gross calculated that two-thirds of the Chandler wobble is caused by ocean-bottom pressure changes and the remaining one-third by fluctuations in atmospheric pressure. He says that the effect of atmospheric winds and ocean currents on the wobble was minor. Gross credits the wide distribution of the data that underlay his calculations to the creation in 1988 of the International Earth Rotation Service, which is based in Paris, France. Through its various bureaus, he writes, the service enables the kind of interdisciplinary research that led to his solution of the Chandler wobble mystery. Gross's research was supported by NASA's Office of Earth Science, Washington, D.C. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. ##### 7/17/00 rs #2000-066 --------------------------------------------------------------- You are subscribed to JPL's news mailing list. To unsubscribe, please send an e-mail to JPLNews@jpl.nasa.gov and in the body of the message include the following line. unsubscribe news Please do not reply to this e-mail. For help, send a message to listmaster@www.jpl.nasa.gov. --------------0BA375EC65C7A5EA3FC4B5E9-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 16:26:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09322; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:22:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bff1d7$b5c65580$2d6ad9d0@58hde> From: "Robert" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:18:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QT2_q1.0.UH2.5XZTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: electron flow Hello All, If a mass of copper wire was designed so that electrons would flow in the presence of a magnet without moving the magnet or the mass of copper wire, the world of electrical components would radically change. This is a real experiment that is being done by me. The so called electrons in the wire just need a appointed direction to go. The fact that electrons moving down a wire has always bothered me. But by today's acceptance of a yesterday's theory, the explanation still meets the need. With the mass of copper wire constructed in the correct manner, the magnet is placed in close proximity. The electrons start to move. A seperation between positive and negative charges begins. They are directed and allowed to flow to a cap which is continuously discharged causing the cycle to repeat itself. The time of the cycle relies on the design of the mass of copper wire. 60 cycles has not be achieved by me yet. This is a area in which researchers and experimenters should go. Understand and build a copperwire mass that is sensitive to a magnet without movement of either one. I don't have the time or desire to answer insults or negative thoughts regarding this subject. Please, just hit the delete key and forget this message if you feel this way. Regards, Robert H. Calloway "Nothing like a good experiment to upset a theory" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 16:43:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20037; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:42:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:42:22 -0700 Message-ID: <002601bff1d9$fecb5940$0200a8c6@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:35:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"frYOM2.0.wu4.TpZTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Since I don't have my VDG up and running anymore, I can't look into this further, but here's some things I would try. First, if you move in fast enough, you will probably get a discharge no matter what, but what about the distance or closeness you can get with finger verses back of hand? In other words, if you can get closer with just a finger, it is probably due to the fact that there is a larger drain. See what I'm saying? Also, your finger, though smaller than your hand, is still quite rounded, try the experiment again with a nail taped to your fingertip point out. Also, try the pole experiment I cited, it's never failed for me, I used a metal spere on the end of a pole. The sphere was about 4 in. in diameter. The other pole, (actually I used the back of the same sphere pole, had a simple nail attached. Let me know what you find! -----Original Message----- From: Norm Silliman To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? >From: Gregory J. Gay >Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:44 AM > > >>Actually, you have this backwards. I pointed lighting rod will try to >>"drain slowly" the electrons precisly because of the smaller area, it's a >>small stream that flows to the ground. With a round or mushroom shape, >>there is a much larger area for the electrons to flow to, and therefore >>cause a large strike. >> >>So I'm not asking you to "take my word for it", here's a simple experiment >>you can do yourself. Get or build or buy, borrow, whatever, a small >>Vandegraf generator. Get some sort of metal pole, etc.. with a sphere or >>mushroom shape on the end. Get another pole with a nail or something like >>that on the end. When you hold the rod and put the nail up towards the >>generator, you really shouldn't notice anything, maybe your hair standing >>up, but that's about it. Take the pole with the sphere/mushroom on it and >>do the same thing. The suddent discharge will give you quite a shock (as >>well as a substantial spark)... > >Your experience seems to be different from mine. > >If I approach my vdg (small, about 40/50 k volts) with the back of my >hand (roughly simular to your mushroom shape end) I get a large build >up of induced charge on my hand and arm. If I come a little closer, >I get discharges via the individual hairs sticking out from my hand. > >If I approach my vdg with the point of my finger, I get little induced >charge >on my arm but a direct discharge from my finger-nail. > >I judge (subjectively) the finger-nail discharge to be greater than the back >of my hand, but that might be a result of the greater number of sense >organs in my finger vs the back-of-my-hand. > >>From: "Rex Doane" >>Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:56 PM >> >>> I researched lightning rods when I lived in Florida and found that Edison >>> invented and patented a "mushroom" shaped lightning protection device as >>> opposed to a lightning rod. >>> >>> The lightning rod theory is to try to provide a default discharge path, >>> thereby protecting the building. >>> >>> The mushroom shape discharges the electrostatic charge slowly through >many >>> points on the curved surface, rather than trying to provide a discharge >>> path. A slow discharge path means a current flow that could be tapped >>> withouth the huge surge of a direct strike. Might be worthwhile testing >>if >>> anyone living in a lightning infested region is so inclined. >>> >>> Rex >>> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 17:39:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA10186; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:38:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:38:55 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:37:28 -0700 From: "Rick Dunn" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: electron flow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_94CCD6FA.0C6D02A5" Resent-Message-ID: <"oQBFi3.0.3V2.UeaTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_94CCD6FA.0C6D02A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, I would like more information on what you are doing and the results = of your experiments thus far. I would be interested in pursuing the 60hz = challenge. Rick >>> billc9@prysm.net 07/19/00 04:22PM >>> Hello All, If a mass of copper wire was designed so that electrons would flow in the presence of a magnet without moving the magnet or the mass of copper wire, the world of electrical components would radically change. = This is a real experiment that is being done by me. The so called electrons in the wire just need a appointed direction to go. The fact that electrons moving down a wire has always bothered me. But by today's acceptance of a yesterday's theory, the explanation still meets the need. With the mass of copper wire constructed in the correct manner, the magnet is placed in = close proximity. The electrons start to move. A seperation between positive and negative charges begins. They are directed and allowed to flow to a cap which is continuously discharged causing the cycle to repeat itself. The time of the cycle relies on the design of the mass of copper wire. 60 = cycles has not be achieved by me yet. This is a area in which researchers and experimenters should go. Understand and build a copperwire mass that is sensitive to a magnet without movement of either one. I don't have the time or desire to answer insults or negative thoughts regarding this subject. Please, just hit the delete key and forget this message if you feel this way. Regards, Robert H. Calloway "Nothing like a good experiment to upset a theory" --=_94CCD6FA.0C6D02A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Robert,
     I would like more information = on what=20 you are doing and the results of your experiments thus far. I would be=20 interested in pursuing the 60hz challenge.
 
Rick

>>> billc9@prysm.net 07/19/00 04:22PM=20 >>>
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has not be achieved by me yet. This is a area in which researcher= s=20 and
experimenters should go. Understand and build a copperwire mass = that=20 is
sensitive to a magnet without movement of either one.
I don't = have the=20 time or desire to answer insults or negative thoughts
regarding this = subject.=20 Please, just hit the delete key and forget this
message if you feel = this=20 way.
Regards, Robert H. Calloway



"Nothing like a = good=20 experiment to upset
a theory"

--=_94CCD6FA.0C6D02A5-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 19 23:55:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA21185; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:54:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:54:53 -0700 Message-ID: <012701bff216$2c623860$d37bfea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: , , , , , "MILLENNIUM PROJECT" , , "energy21" , , , Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:45:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IXZcT1.0.rA5.z8gTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Fw: More light is faster than light What is also of a great interest ( at least to me ) in this latest discovery is that our time is measured by a decay rate od cessium. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "forbiddenscience" To: "kroniatalk" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:39 PM Subject: More light is faster than light > In the news today: > Wednesday July 19 3:30 PM ET > Light May Break Its Own Speed Limit > > By ALEX DOMINGUEZ, Associated Press Writer > > Scientists have apparently broken the universe's speed limit. > > For generations, physicists believed there is nothing faster than light > moving through a vacuum - a speed of 186,000 miles per second. > > But in an experiment in Princeton, N.J., physicists sent a pulse of laser > light through cesium vapor so quickly that it left the chamber before it had > even finished entering. > > The pulse traveled 310 times the distance it would have covered if the > chamber had contained a vacuum. > > Researchers say it is the most convincing demonstration yet that the speed > of light - supposedly an ironclad rule of nature - can be pushed beyond > known boundaries, at least under certain laboratory circumstances. > > ``This effect cannot be used to send information back in time,'' said Lijun > Wang, a researcher with the private NEC Institute. ``However, our experiment > does show that the generally held misconception that `nothing can travel > faster than the speed of light' is wrong.'' > > The results were published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. > > The achievement has no practical application right now, but experiments like > this have generated considerable excitement in the small international > community of theoretical and optical physicists. > > ``This is a breakthrough in the sense that people have thought that was > impossible,'' said Raymond Chiao, a physicist at the University of > California at Berkeley who was not involved in the work. Chiao has performed > similar experiments using electric fields. > > In the latest experiment, researchers at NEC developed a device that fired a > laser pulse into a glass chamber filled with a vapor of cesium atoms. The > researchers say the device is sort of a light amplifier that can push the > pulse ahead. > > Previously, experiments have been done in which light also appeared to > achieve such so-called superluminal speeds, but the light was distorted, > raising doubts as to whether scientists had really accomplished such a feat. > > The laser pulse in the NEC experiment exits the chamber with almost exactly > the same shape, but with less intensity, Wang said. > > The pulse may look like a straight beam but actually behaves like waves of > light particles. The light can leave the chamber before it has finished > entering because the cesium atoms trade energy with the leading edge of the > waves as they pass through. > > This produces an almost identical light pulse that exits the chamber and > travels about 60 feet before the main part of the laser pulse finishes > entering the chamber, Wang said. > > Wang said the effect is possible only because light has no mass; the same > thing cannot be done with physical objects. > > The Princeton experiment and others like it test the limits of the theory of > relativity that Albert Einstein developed nearly a century ago. > > According to the special theory of relativity, the speed of particles of > light in a vacuum, such as outer space, is the only absolute measurement in > the universe. The speed of everything else - rockets or inchworms - is > relative to the observer, Einstein and others explained. > > In everyday circumstances, an object cannot travel faster than light. > > The Princeton experiment and others change these circumstances by using > devices such as the cesium chamber rather than a vacuum. > > Ultimately, the work may contribute to the development of faster computers > that carry information in light particles. > > Not everyone is convinced the NEC scientists did what they claim. > > Aephraim Steinberg, a physicist at the University of Toronto, said the light > particles coming out of the cesium chamber may not have been the same ones > that entered, so he questions whether the speed of light was broken. > > Still, the work is important, he said: ``The interesting thing is how did > they manage to produce light that looks exactly like something that didn't > get there yet?'' > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kroniatalk as: pantheon@ix.netcom.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kroniatalk-176419Q@telelists.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 01:34:09 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA11409; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:33:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:33:24 -0700 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: "freenrg-l" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:32:08 +0200 Message-ID: <01bff224$fe25d560$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WoEew.0.6o2.KbhTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Hilsch's Vortex Tube Hi list, I've scanned the related part to the Hilsch's Vortex Tube (the very low temperature generator from compressed air), from an italian book 'Lo scienziato dilettante', C.L. Stong, Sansoni Editore 1964; that is the translation of : C.L.Stong, the amateur scientist, simon and schuster inc., New York 1960 Material from Scientific American 1952-1960 You can read it at http://utenti.tripod.it/altraenergia/hil1.html (sorry, is in Italian!) At page 3-4-5 there are schematics and drawings, too... I hope can be useful... ciao, Stefano -------------------------Stefano Innocenti --------------------------- http://utenti.tripod.it/razzimodellismo ACME I-RM-01 http://utenti.tripod.it/altraenergia http://utenti.tripod.it/missilistica From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 04:06:11 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA07769; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:05:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:05:40 -0700 Message-ID: <006701bff239$452d0820$6bf5fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Anna M*" To: "energy21" , , , , , , , , , References: <012701bff216$2c623860$d37bfea9@oemcomputer> <000c01bff233$97dc14e0$8e736bc6@compaq> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:57:09 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"bZrrj2.0.9v1.4qjTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: More light is faster than light-errata Sorry, it should be written as Cesium. Anna > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Anna M*" > To: ; ; > ; ; > ; "MILLENNIUM PROJECT" ; > ; "energy21" ; > ; ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:45 PM > Subject: Fw: More light is faster than light > > > > energy21 - http://www.Fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16 > > > > What is also of a great interest ( at least to me ) in this latest > discovery > > is that our time is measured > > by a decay rate od cessium. > > Anna > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "forbiddenscience" > > To: "kroniatalk" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:39 PM > > Subject: More light is faster than light > > > > > > > In the news today: > > > Wednesday July 19 3:30 PM ET > > > Light May Break Its Own Speed Limit > > > > > > By ALEX DOMINGUEZ, Associated Press Writer > > > > > > Scientists have apparently broken the universe's speed limit. > > > > > > For generations, physicists believed there is nothing faster than light > > > moving through a vacuum - a speed of 186,000 miles per second. > > > > > > But in an experiment in Princeton, N.J., physicists sent a pulse of > laser > > > light through cesium vapor so quickly that it left the chamber before it > > had > > > even finished entering. > > > > > > The pulse traveled 310 times the distance it would have covered if the > > > chamber had contained a vacuum. > > > > > > Researchers say it is the most convincing demonstration yet that the > speed > > > of light - supposedly an ironclad rule of nature - can be pushed beyond > > > known boundaries, at least under certain laboratory circumstances. > > > > > > ``This effect cannot be used to send information back in time,'' said > > Lijun > > > Wang, a researcher with the private NEC Institute. ``However, our > > experiment > > > does show that the generally held misconception that `nothing can travel > > > faster than the speed of light' is wrong.'' > > > > > > The results were published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. > > > > > > The achievement has no practical application right now, but experiments > > like > > > this have generated considerable excitement in the small international > > > community of theoretical and optical physicists. > > > > > > ``This is a breakthrough in the sense that people have thought that was > > > impossible,'' said Raymond Chiao, a physicist at the University of > > > California at Berkeley who was not involved in the work. Chiao has > > performed > > > similar experiments using electric fields. > > > > > > In the latest experiment, researchers at NEC developed a device that > fired > > a > > > laser pulse into a glass chamber filled with a vapor of cesium atoms. > The > > > researchers say the device is sort of a light amplifier that can push > the > > > pulse ahead. > > > > > > Previously, experiments have been done in which light also appeared to > > > achieve such so-called superluminal speeds, but the light was distorted, > > > raising doubts as to whether scientists had really accomplished such a > > feat. > > > > > > The laser pulse in the NEC experiment exits the chamber with almost > > exactly > > > the same shape, but with less intensity, Wang said. > > > > > > The pulse may look like a straight beam but actually behaves like waves > of > > > light particles. The light can leave the chamber before it has finished > > > entering because the cesium atoms trade energy with the leading edge of > > the > > > waves as they pass through. > > > > > > This produces an almost identical light pulse that exits the chamber and > > > travels about 60 feet before the main part of the laser pulse finishes > > > entering the chamber, Wang said. > > > > > > Wang said the effect is possible only because light has no mass; the > same > > > thing cannot be done with physical objects. > > > > > > The Princeton experiment and others like it test the limits of the > theory > > of > > > relativity that Albert Einstein developed nearly a century ago. > > > > > > According to the special theory of relativity, the speed of particles of > > > light in a vacuum, such as outer space, is the only absolute measurement > > in > > > the universe. The speed of everything else - rockets or inchworms - is > > > relative to the observer, Einstein and others explained. > > > > > > In everyday circumstances, an object cannot travel faster than light. > > > > > > The Princeton experiment and others change these circumstances by using > > > devices such as the cesium chamber rather than a vacuum. > > > > > > Ultimately, the work may contribute to the development of faster > computers > > > that carry information in light particles. > > > > > > Not everyone is convinced the NEC scientists did what they claim. > > > > > > Aephraim Steinberg, a physicist at the University of Toronto, said the > > light > > > particles coming out of the cesium chamber may not have been the same > ones > > > that entered, so he questions whether the speed of light was broken. > > > > > > Still, the work is important, he said: ``The interesting thing is how > did > > > they manage to produce light that looks exactly like something that > didn't > > > get there yet?'' > > > > > > > > > --- > > > You are currently subscribed to kroniatalk as: pantheon@ix.netcom.com > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > leave-kroniatalk-176419Q@telelists.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to energy21-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > > > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to energy21-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 06:27:03 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA08797; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:26:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:26:27 -0700 From: dave.tingley@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:25:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [FG]: electron flow Message-ID: <20000720.092546.245.1.dave.tingley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_262e.0b8d.63e1 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-6,9-12,14-15,18-24,26-29,31,33-36,38-57,59-32767 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wv5U62.0.M92.3ulTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_262e.0b8d.63e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even if you haven't achieved 60 hz yet, getting a stable output at any frequency would be significant. What frequencies have you gotten it to work at? Dave On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:37:28 -0700 "Rick Dunn" writes: Robert, I would like more information on what you are doing and the results of your experiments thus far. I would be interested in pursuing the 60hz challenge. Rick >>> billc9@prysm.net 07/19/00 04:22PM >>> Hello All, If a mass of copper wire was designed so that electrons would flow in the presence of a magnet without moving the magnet or the mass of copper wire, the world of electrical components would radically change. This is a real experiment that is being done by me. The so called electrons in the wire just need a appointed direction to go. The fact that electrons moving down a wire has always bothered me. But by today's acceptance of a yesterday's theory, the explanation still meets the need. With the mass of copper wire constructed in the correct manner, the magnet is placed in close proximity. The electrons start to move. A seperation between positive and negative charges begins. They are directed and allowed to flow to a cap which is continuously discharged causing the cycle to repeat itself. The time of the cycle relies on the design of the mass of copper wire. 60 cycles has not be achieved by me yet. This is a area in which researchers and experimenters should go. Understand and build a copperwire mass that is sensitive to a magnet without movement of either one. I don't have the time or desire to answer insults or negative thoughts regarding this subject. Please, just hit the delete key and forget this message if you feel this way. Regards, Robert H. Calloway "Nothing like a good experiment to upset a theory" ============================================ dave.tingley@juno.com http://dave_tingley.tripod.com The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2 ----__JNP_000_262e.0b8d.63e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Even if you haven't achieved 60 hz yet, getting a stable output at any= =20 frequency would be significant. What frequencies have you gotten it to work= =20 at?
 
Dave
 
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:37:28 -0700 "Rick Dunn"=20 <dunnri@rockfordcorp.com> writes:
Robert,
     I would like more = information on=20 what you are doing and the results of your experiments thus far. I would = be=20 interested in pursuing the 60hz challenge.
 
Rick

>>> billc9@prysm.net 07/19/00 04:22PM=20 >>>
Hello All,  If a mass of copper wire was designed so= that=20 electrons would
flow in the presence of a magnet without moving the = magnet=20 or the mass of
copper wire, the world of electrical components would=20 radically change. This
is a real experiment that is being done by me. = The=20 so called electrons in
the wire just need a appointed direction to go.= The=20 fact that electrons
moving down a wire has always bothered me. But by= =20 today's acceptance of a
yesterday's theory, the explanation still = meets the=20 need. With the mass of
copper wire constructed in the correct manner, = the=20 magnet is placed in close
proximity. The electrons start to move. A=20 seperation between positive and
negative charges begins. They are = directed=20 and allowed to flow to a cap
which is continuously discharged causing = the=20 cycle to repeat itself. The
time of the cycle relies on the design of = the=20 mass of copper wire. 60 cycles
has not be achieved by me yet. This is = a=20 area in which researchers and
experimenters should go. Understand and = build=20 a copperwire mass that is
sensitive to a magnet without movement of = either=20 one.
I don't have the time or desire to answer insults or negative=20 thoughts
regarding this subject. Please, just hit the delete key and = forget=20 this
message if you feel this way.
Regards, Robert H.=20 Calloway



"Nothing like a good experiment to upset
a=20 theory"

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
dave.tingley@juno.com
http://dave_tingley.tripod.= com
The=20 heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the = left.=20 Ecclesiastes 10:2
----__JNP_000_262e.0b8d.63e1-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 08:17:50 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA16637; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:15:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:15:45 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.81.200] From: "Colin Cain" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: electron flow Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:15:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2000 15:15:12.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CEE9E10:01BFF25D] Resent-Message-ID: <"vay0q3.0.j34.WUnTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Are you willing to describe the "mass of copper wire". would it be a bundle, coil, or perhaps even a single wire through a disc shaped magnet (magnetron magnet). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 08:17:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA16546; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:15:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: <397717A8.B6BBAA0B@info2000.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:15:52 -0600 From: Ted Reply-To: tsleber@info2000.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? References: <002e01bff03b$41c799c0$f8d666ce@default> <008a01bff05b$6ade31a0$5d5814cf@multipath> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qiWGb3.0.R24.RUnTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rex, How about an aluminized mylar balloon? Ted From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 08:40:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA27974; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:38:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:38:25 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.81.200] From: "Colin Cain" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Gravity Warp Cap Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:37:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2000 15:37:53.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[77F10690:01BFF260] Resent-Message-ID: <"tFF462.0.wq6.npnTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick, all The Gravity Capacitor, for me, is a research characterized by long periods of reflection punctuated by short periods of stark raving frenzied activity. My latest reflections have led me to believe I need an electrostatic power source, so I'm currently trial and erroring together a VDG as a source. This is giving me some time to reevaluate some of my beliefs about the Grav-Cap and develop some new ideas to try, like materials and magnetic influences. As for NOVA, one of our posters gave an explanation of the bismuth/magnesium layered material that is as plausable as any I've heard so far, sputter chamber debris. I do believe bismuth might be a good plate material, just compare the other materials experimenters are using, aluminum, tin, copper, lead, track them across the periodic table and you start to see the pattern. Just where might one find bismuth foil? . . . Now let's see, I was working on VDG rollers, . . . where did I see those skateboard wheels? . . . . . . . . :) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 09:58:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27471; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:51:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:51:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002801bff26a$6e0c0580$b4d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Fw: More light is faster than light Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:49:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KOsqo3.0.8j6.ttoTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Anna M* To: time-space@eGroups.com ; time@eGroups.com ; TeslaTurbine@eGroups.com ; skywatch_discussion@eGroups.com ; mind-l@eGroups.com ; MILLENNIUM PROJECT ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; energy21 ; iufo@topica.com ; blackvault@topica.com ; Antigravity@eGroups.com Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: [FG]: Fw: More light is faster than light >What is also of a great interest ( at least to me ) in this latest discovery >is that our time is measured >by a decay rate od cessium. >Anna Some of those atomic clocks have descrepensies that amount to something like a millasecond every 10 billion years. I'm pretty sure those aren't the right statistics, but it's impresive regardless. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "forbiddenscience" >To: "kroniatalk" >Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:39 PM >Subject: More light is faster than light > > >> In the news today: >> Wednesday July 19 3:30 PM ET >> Light May Break Its Own Speed Limit >> >> By ALEX DOMINGUEZ, Associated Press Writer >> >> Scientists have apparently broken the universe's speed limit. >> >> For generations, physicists believed there is nothing faster than light >> moving through a vacuum - a speed of 186,000 miles per second. >> >> But in an experiment in Princeton, N.J., physicists sent a pulse of laser >> light through cesium vapor so quickly that it left the chamber before it >had >> even finished entering. >> >> The pulse traveled 310 times the distance it would have covered if the >> chamber had contained a vacuum. >> >> Researchers say it is the most convincing demonstration yet that the speed >> of light - supposedly an ironclad rule of nature - can be pushed beyond >> known boundaries, at least under certain laboratory circumstances. >> >> ``This effect cannot be used to send information back in time,'' said >Lijun >> Wang, a researcher with the private NEC Institute. ``However, our >experiment >> does show that the generally held misconception that `nothing can travel >> faster than the speed of light' is wrong.'' >> >> The results were published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. >> >> The achievement has no practical application right now, but experiments >like >> this have generated considerable excitement in the small international >> community of theoretical and optical physicists. >> >> ``This is a breakthrough in the sense that people have thought that was >> impossible,'' said Raymond Chiao, a physicist at the University of >> California at Berkeley who was not involved in the work. Chiao has >performed >> similar experiments using electric fields. >> >> In the latest experiment, researchers at NEC developed a device that fired >a >> laser pulse into a glass chamber filled with a vapor of cesium atoms. The >> researchers say the device is sort of a light amplifier that can push the >> pulse ahead. >> >> Previously, experiments have been done in which light also appeared to >> achieve such so-called superluminal speeds, but the light was distorted, >> raising doubts as to whether scientists had really accomplished such a >feat. >> >> The laser pulse in the NEC experiment exits the chamber with almost >exactly >> the same shape, but with less intensity, Wang said. >> >> The pulse may look like a straight beam but actually behaves like waves of >> light particles. The light can leave the chamber before it has finished >> entering because the cesium atoms trade energy with the leading edge of >the >> waves as they pass through. >> >> This produces an almost identical light pulse that exits the chamber and >> travels about 60 feet before the main part of the laser pulse finishes >> entering the chamber, Wang said. >> >> Wang said the effect is possible only because light has no mass; the same >> thing cannot be done with physical objects. >> >> The Princeton experiment and others like it test the limits of the theory >of >> relativity that Albert Einstein developed nearly a century ago. >> >> According to the special theory of relativity, the speed of particles of >> light in a vacuum, such as outer space, is the only absolute measurement >in >> the universe. The speed of everything else - rockets or inchworms - is >> relative to the observer, Einstein and others explained. >> >> In everyday circumstances, an object cannot travel faster than light. >> >> The Princeton experiment and others change these circumstances by using >> devices such as the cesium chamber rather than a vacuum. >> >> Ultimately, the work may contribute to the development of faster computers >> that carry information in light particles. >> >> Not everyone is convinced the NEC scientists did what they claim. >> >> Aephraim Steinberg, a physicist at the University of Toronto, said the >light >> particles coming out of the cesium chamber may not have been the same ones >> that entered, so he questions whether the speed of light was broken. >> >> Still, the work is important, he said: ``The interesting thing is how did >> they manage to produce light that looks exactly like something that didn't >> get there yet?'' >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kroniatalk as: pantheon@ix.netcom.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kroniatalk-176419Q@telelists.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 11:00:47 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA22307; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:57:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:57:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39773C52.C1D6A087@harti.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:52:18 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , info@geet.com X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aNkt93.0.OS5.0spTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! Hi All, I just came back from the Technical university of Berlin. Germany, where there was the endpresentation of their last semester effort to build a GEET fuel processor hooked up to a commercial bought Emergency power agregat. This was a 4 stroke 1 cylinder motor hooked up to an AC induction generator producing 1.7 KWatts of power at 220 Volts output. The Geet processor was build according to planīs on Jl. Naudinīs site and they also had emails from Mr. Pantome and his patents. They had measured the GEET machine from Olaf Berens and had quite good low exhaust emmisions. Today I witnessed their own build machine and after a tuning and adjustment process it did run just on the bubler input and the normal Carburetor was shut off. The whole thing was just run with normal unleaded gas and a little bit water was also inside the bubbler. So it seems the basic principle works fine by replacing the Carburetor with it and also have low emmisions. As their own machine was only today tested really for the first time, it was too early to say, if the machine will also just run only on Coca Cola as Mr. Pantome claims or other strange fuels. It also still had a few insolation problems cause it had a small leakage point, so the bubler was not totally closing. But you could see very good the Foam it made up in the bubler and the standing pressure wave above it with each stroke of the motor. The right pressure inside the bubler seems to be important ! Anyway, it was a nice demo to see, that this thing really works ! How much fuel it really needs and what kind of fuel mixtures can be used will be seen with further future tests. If you want to have a closer look at the GEET process, go here: http://www.geet.com -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 13:11:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA26626; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000801bff286$172c9380$62d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Utpkx1.0.tV6.pnrTv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It's so refreshing to hear about things that actually work (or at least exist in some cases) every once and a while. :) -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: Free Energy ; Newman-L Mailing List ; ou-builders@egroups.com ; jlnlabs@egroups.com ; info@geet.com Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! >Hi All, >I just came back from the Technical university of Berlin. Germany, >where there was the endpresentation of their >last semester effort to build a GEET fuel processor hooked up >to a commercial bought Emergency power agregat. >This was a 4 stroke 1 cylinder motor hooked up to an AC >induction generator producing 1.7 KWatts of power >at 220 Volts output. > >The Geet processor was build according to planīs on Jl. >Naudinīs site and they also had emails from Mr. Pantome >and his patents. >They had measured the GEET machine from Olaf Berens >and had quite good low exhaust emmisions. > >Today I witnessed their own build machine and after >a tuning and adjustment process it did run just on the bubler >input and the normal Carburetor was shut off. > >The whole thing was just run with normal unleaded gas and a little >bit water was also inside the bubbler. >So it seems the basic principle works fine by replacing >the Carburetor with it and also have low emmisions. >As their own machine was only today tested really for the first time, >it was too early to say, if the machine will also just run only on Coca >Cola >as Mr. Pantome claims or other strange fuels. >It also still had a few insolation problems cause it had a small leakage >point, so the bubler was not totally closing. >But you could see very good the Foam it made up in the bubler and >the standing pressure wave above it with each stroke of the motor. >The right pressure inside the bubler seems to be important ! > >Anyway, it was a nice demo to see, that this thing really works ! >How much fuel it really needs and what kind of fuel mixtures >can be used will be seen with further future tests. > >If you want to have a closer look at the GEET process, >go here: > >http://www.geet.com > > > >-- > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 15:21:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04271; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:20:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:20:57 -0700 Message-ID: <39777A35.C1D5E7AF@harti.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:16:21 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy References: <8761-3977703D-1647@storefull-288.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cLYzj3.0.V21.9jtTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: GEET fuel processor works great ! Yes Dave, it is pretty simple and I also heard, that it could boost the fuel efficiency a lot up to 300 % more mileage on the same gas volume used. Also you can run it with old motor oil mixted with gas or also water or Coca Cola or other strange fuels. Must be some kind of plasma effect inside the pipe or very efficient fuel cracking. Keep us updated on your friends progress. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. daveem Dave M schrieb: > > Hi Stefan, > My friend who builds generators for a living just put a GEET conversion > kit on one of them, and I saw it operating yesterday.I was surprised at > how clean the exhaust smelled considering we were in his shop and the > motor was operating at pretty high RPMs. > I don't know the fuel and water ratio he uses, and he is still doing > some fine tuning on the motor, but this stuff sounds like it is for > real. > He has not run to many tests on motor just yet, but he claims that he > got an extra 15 minutes of run time on a gallon of gas after it had been > converted to GEET fuel, and the whole thing looks very simple. > Dave -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 15:23:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA05051; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:23:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3977792D.240D6687@harti.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:11:57 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! References: <000801bff286$172c9380$62d666ce@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d2M0c3.0.qE1.KltTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yes, it is a nice technology, probably almost all current cars could be easily modified with GEET fuel processors instead of carbeorators and this will save a lot of gas and also clean the exhaust a lot more. I have myself today shut down the carbeorator and switched to fuel processor via valves, which was a fine tuning adjustment needed in this special setup, but it finnally worked after the motor and the pipe had warmed up and it was nice to see the motor just running on this GEET pipe and the bubler ! Maybe this could also be combined with the Dingle watercar electrolysis cell to even run all cars on just plain tap water. Look also at : http://www.overunity.com/watercar Chris O'Barr schrieb: > > It's so refreshing to hear about things that actually work (or at least > exist in some cases) every once and a while. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Hartmann > To: Free Energy ; Newman-L Mailing List > ; ou-builders@egroups.com ; > jlnlabs@egroups.com ; info@geet.com > Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:02 PM > Subject: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! > > >Hi All, > >I just came back from the Technical university of Berlin. Germany, > >where there was the endpresentation of their > >last semester effort to build a GEET fuel processor hooked up > >to a commercial bought Emergency power agregat. > >This was a 4 stroke 1 cylinder motor hooked up to an AC > >induction generator producing 1.7 KWatts of power > >at 220 Volts output. > > > >The Geet processor was build according to planīs on Jl. > >Naudinīs site and they also had emails from Mr. Pantome > >and his patents. > >They had measured the GEET machine from Olaf Berens > >and had quite good low exhaust emmisions. > > > >Today I witnessed their own build machine and after > >a tuning and adjustment process it did run just on the bubler > >input and the normal Carburetor was shut off. > > > >The whole thing was just run with normal unleaded gas and a little > >bit water was also inside the bubbler. > >So it seems the basic principle works fine by replacing > >the Carburetor with it and also have low emmisions. > >As their own machine was only today tested really for the first time, > >it was too early to say, if the machine will also just run only on Coca > >Cola > >as Mr. Pantome claims or other strange fuels. > >It also still had a few insolation problems cause it had a small leakage > >point, so the bubler was not totally closing. > >But you could see very good the Foam it made up in the bubler and > >the standing pressure wave above it with each stroke of the motor. > >The right pressure inside the bubler seems to be important ! > > > >Anyway, it was a nice demo to see, that this thing really works ! > >How much fuel it really needs and what kind of fuel mixtures > >can be used will be seen with further future tests. > > > >If you want to have a closer look at the GEET process, > >go here: > > > >http://www.geet.com > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > >-- > >Hartmann Multimedia Service, > >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 15:25:23 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06349; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:24:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: <39777B20.25895E84@harti.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:20:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lNMkn2.0.-Y1.umtTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Hi, Graham Gunderson has posted this in the JLNLABS egroups site. I consider this a very interesting information, so I crosspost this to the other groups: From: Graham Gunderson Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 10:16am Subject: oscillating magnets. Hi, To all who asked questions of me regarding the self oscillating magnets (both on this list and privately), I regret to say there is a limit to the information I can give. I do thank you all, for your interest in the subject though! Right now I make my living by working for a company that wants me to create over unity. That is a lot to ask, but I do feel capable of it. I have made extensive hands on study of Floyd Sweet's work and devices, and am now well on the road to bringing the effect Sweet discovered back to life. I chose this route because I did not feel I would be funded through 30 years of discovering things for myself. I chose to work on the Sweet device since it was so thoroughly documented, and accredited by affidavits signed by electrical engineers. Also I want Sweet to receive, though posthumously, the credit he well deserves for being such a pioneer in physics and magnetic science. I believe Sweet was a genius. Genius deserves recognition. The main reason, though, for me is that I dreamt of a device like this before I ever heard of it, and in the three years since I learned of the thing it has seized my imagination and I can think of little else! My study of Sweet's work has completely altered my perception on electrical design, and I don't even build audio amplifiers the same way anymore. Keeping my job means that I have to keep some secrets, which is the downside of working this way. If I had my druthers, I would open a dialogue on the subject and show all how it is done, because the synergy of so many people commenting/working on it would likely make incredible progress. It is my hope that ways of doing business will evolve in the future. Also some of the circuitry is new enough for me to think it is profound, and I want to share that truth, though I am currently forbidden to do so. They would prosecute, I know they would. I (and my work) represent a fairly sizable investment. When I took this position I signed many documents, including NDA agreements that severely limit what I can disclose in regard to what I can create. One contingency is that I can have no NDAs of my own, that is I cannot choose to inform others of how this is done, even if I ask them to sign an NDA. My employers (and their investors) are good people, I have been with them for a long time and I know they are honest. Their plan is to give the technology away, once it is created, about 500,000 devices for free (mostly to places like Russia in winter where people die from lack of heat energy) If this falls through and they prove to be greedy I will default (they know this, and I have warned them), and post how to build my version of a working "Sweet device" (though similar only in principle) freely on the internet, and in many places so it will be copied beyond any institution's ability to silence it. This would personally place me at great risk in many ways but I am one life among seven billion people breathing exhaust fumes, I will do it anyway, que sera sera. While I must withhold information in this present time, please do know that the "secrets" will not fade, so far as I can help it, and will be known to the world in the end, one way or another. I have even buried some of what I know and there are those who know where it is. I will do my best to make sure full disclosure happens so long as nobody shoots me :) Please nobody do. I feel I place myself at risk, writing to audiences unknown. That much being said, I can reply to a few questions that were asked. Stefan Hartmann writes, >Graham, how do you make a self oscillating permanent magnet ? Seems you already have done this ?! I cannot say how at this time, I regret. However I am certain that the way(s) I use are not the only method for doing so. I am sure there are other ways, and of course anyone that discovers them is free to share them if they can, or would kindly like to. >Does it need special material, like special heated iron or special Barium Ferrite material ? I use Barium Ferrite. The higher the Barium content of the magnet, the better the oscillation. There are several other factors I have discovered as well, but they are so specific as to be proprietary. I can give a list of magnetic materials and their responses. This may help. Barium Ferrite: has frequency-inspecific scalar resonance of infinite Q. This is theoretical: practical considerations limit both the Q of the nuclear "tank" as well as some other factors. Barium ferrite magnets, as currently manufatured, will almost never work; it is the rare magnet in the bunch that has usable characteristics. This can make research very costly. ALL atomic nuclei spin - they are perpetuum mobile in their own right. In fact, the cosmos at large (beyond the frictional devices built by (wo)men on Earth) is in a state of effectively perpetual motion... another subject. Barium nuclei have natural magnetic poles, as do many nuclei. Thus, they are permanently spinning magnets. It is possible to cause the spinning to precess at a given frequency like a gyroscope. This modulates the magnetic vectors of the nuclei as seen by the electron shells, and causes an oscillating imbalance. With credit to Fred Epps for the insight, I now think that the 90 degree separation between the precessive and polar magnetic fields allows for the loading of one field's change without the loading of the other. Nuclear processes are electromagnetic (not fundamentally "physical", or solid), so this analogy is only an approximation of the real effect. At best it is half the picture, since the time reversed (phase conjugate) aspect of each wave must be realized as well, to balance the energy and let it persist. The mystics said what the nucleus appears to represent: Time is a grand illusion* (see PS). Barium ferrite will absorb, and echo, variations in the intensity of the ZPE around the nuclei, and this is the basic effect. To me, this is incredible and eery. Barium Ferrite magnets can also produce "invisible" magnetic fields and other magnetically *impossible* phenomena (by the books, at least, in violation of the basic math) but that's all I can say. Strontium Ferrite: Not very resonant on account of the low Barium content. Has smaller domains with different energetics as well. Due to the different quadrupole moments and masses (etc etc) of barium and strontium, the scalar / nuclear effects between a Strontium ferrite and Barium ferrite magnet can be caused to "beat" or heterodyne against each other, which I guess may have some application in detection of so called "Scalar waves". The domain structure of Strontium ferrite is very unstable and can permanently collapse if you try to oscillate it. This is even evident in comparison of magnetic properties of the two materials. Alnico: Responsive to scalar waves, or variations in ZPE, giving the "buzz" feeling I describe. Mellow but immediate. Useful as an initial detector of beams in this form of "energy". Energy, there, is the wrong word to use. Neodymium: Very responsive oscillating scalar formations. Can be used to "feel" the scalar vibration "afterglow" persisting in Barium Ferrite. (BaFe can emit its oscillations in beams as well) However Nd magnets must be "charged" prior to use, to feel anything. That is they must be exposed to the scalar wave field to synchronize with it before they will make good detectors. Gold plated (on Nickel substrate) Nd magnets are a bonus, they work the best Samarium Cobalt (both kinds): Dead. Expensive. I don't use it often. Iron: Responsive to the scalar stuff. Can "feel" activated BaFe. Not the best detector, but it works, especially when thick. This surprised me. >How do you get the domains constantly "ringing" inside ?? Probably Sweet also did this for this VTA magnets. Yes, Sweet did, and this was what it was all about. The only thing I think I can say about "how" is something we already know, it's basic to the web pages on Sweet: you have to use *more than one* magnetic vector in the magnetization process. Now things are no longer linear, and all non decaying oscillators are nonlinear. In fact the total number of combined vectors that seems to work best is a double digit number, and can require laser alignment. >Can you just wrap a coil around the magnet and then extract energy or do you have to build a special LC circuit on the same resonance frequency to tap the ringing domains ? The easiest answer is, neither. It's closest to the LC method but the electromagnetics are of a higher topology and do not really make sense in common language. >How do they keep their ringing state if you extract the energy ?? I don't extract the energy, and I don't know how I could if I tried. There seems to be no stopping it once it's going, though it does decay over time - weeks, if the magnet is good. It can be sustained indefinitely with very small amounts of EM power, as Bearden noted also. The major difficulty with the Sweet principle is in the formation of a link between nuclear and domain vibration. This is where the majority of the complexity - and the Achilles' heel - of the device lies. They have to be electromagnetically bonded, and the bond is liable to break, or fall out of harmony. I should repeat that atomic nuclei spin, always, it is their nature to do so as outlined by quantum "rules". Imagine a precessing gyroscope, whose spinning gyro inside must always spin by some decreed law of the universe. Imagine that the angular precession is tapped, coupled to the shaft of a generator, spinning it and powering a load - but the gyro causing all the action can't slow down. This may be too incredible to believe but the foundation for it is clearly laid out in quantum texts. >Please let us know. Regards, Stefan. Jon Vetten wrote, >Hi Graham, >Thanks so much for your eloquent description. You have certainly raised my curiosity. You hinted that the resonance of the H vector in a self oscilating magnet can occur at various frequencies which would suggest that this phenomonon is not dependent on the physical size of the magnet as a whole, but rather on the size and composition of the domain. Yes - the mechanical resonance (bell-like ringing) of the magnet is the factor dependent on geometry. There are geometric factors as well when doing the electromagnetic work, but they pertain to coil geometry more than anything about the magnet itself. >I recall that Mr. Searl created magnets "which possesed unique properties" by superimposing a small RF current to the magnetizing DC current. Could this be a valid method for creating the resonating H vector or self oscillating magnet? It could be, though it's not something I use. >Thanks again, Jon Vetten Jim Day added, >Anomalous magnetic oscillations aren't always confined to the magnet. See the discussion of the "Gary effect" at-- http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810 Regards, Jim Jim, I've never seen this before. Thanks! I see what you are saying, and it is in line with the fact that to tap power, one must use an external, applied field to modulate the B-field of the active magnet. Sweet used what he called an "exciter coil", which only required the famous milliwatt power to run 500 watts out of his demo device. In a second post, Jon Vetten writes: >Hi All, (snip) ...Let's say we have a self oscillating magnet where the H vector is in permanent resonance at some frequency F. If this magnet was fashioned such that the B vector fluctuates with H then the "neutral line" should also be in resonance with H. Therefore providing a thin piece of sheet iron (transformer plate) along the "neutral line" should provide an electrical output on a coil wrapped along that sheet. A solid state generator drawing power directly from nuclear resonance. Hummmmm???? (snip) >Respectfully, Jon Vetten This is part of it - but the assumption that B can automatically couple with H oscillation is a stretch... along with the pickup coil you need an exciter, to gate the process. See Sweet's work (via internet search, etc) for more on this. I should also mention, in closing, that the output doesn't appear via standard electromagnetic induction. This is the tough part of the cookie, and I'll capitalize it just for the sake of its weight: THE ENERGY PRODUCED BY SELF OSCILLATING MAGNETS IS TIME REVERSED. It is a lot of Maxwell's equations backward. The power coming from the nucleus is time reversed, because nuclei are time reversed objects. This is why they have a a positive, not negative charge. I don't expect many people to believe this really! :) But it is also why nuclei are so hard to understand and measure - and oscillate. It is *bifilar* coils - nonmagnetic - that tap the emitted neg-energy with full effect. They cool under load and misbehave in unexpected ways. It's the reverse picture of what one would expect. A lot of sci fi notions of time reversal have to be parted with to realize what is going on in reality. And the bifilar coils are the easiest part of the circuit to understand! Other parts are even more nonsensical and even beyond the NDAs, I don't understand them fully enough yet to feel like I can discuss them without confusion. Thanks for your time, to all that have read this. Graham PS for anyone interested in the time angle - The appearances and textures of this world are defined by electron shells. It's like Pink Floyd - all that you see, all that you taste, all that you feel - it is all electrons, emitting or reflecting light, or electrostatically repelling the electrons native to the surface of your skin, giving the apparition of texture, and so on. As long as this world is made of atoms, we will (in everyday life) observe the outer shells of those atoms, which are made of electrons. It might be safe to say, that atoms are the most awesome invention this universe has ever seen. Electrons are time forward entities. Time forward means negative charge. It is proposed, that forward time is observed *because* we exclusively observe these negatively charged electrons, even in the retinae of our eyes. After all, we don't "see" light, just electron transitions in the visual purple which excite nerves. Life, digestion, thought - these are non reversible chemical (electron-shell) reactions, on the molecular level. The emission of light from a bulb or TV screen, etc. is a non reversible exchange of energy represented by electrons. Wristwatches count electron pulses. And so on. There will be seeming exceptions to this, but upon consideration I have seen them all end up back at the electron level at the detection process. Charge is proposed as *one, monopolar* entity that does not necessarily have a time structure. Time reversed charge is positive charge, as we call it, because it's structured backwards. Time forward charge is negative charge, in human or "earth" terms To me, the two paragraphs below are the crux of what we see and feel. Positive charge *pulls* electrons toward it. Electrons are flowing in a wire toward a positive end, for example, because of where they "want to be" in the future. This is the future causing present effects; effect toward cause, which is negative time. Negative charge *pushes* electrons away. Electrons are flowing in our imaginary wire from the negative end, because of where they didn't "want" to be in their past. This is the past causing present effects; cause pushing effect, which is positive time. This is why time appears to go electron-forward, and why it is proposed (and yes, observed) that the positively charged nucleus has a reversed sense of time. Tom Bearden mentions, in numerous instances, that the atomic nucleus (in general) exhibits myriad "time reversed" characteristics. He says that this is documented and published in the open literature, though no one really knows what to make of it. There are footnotes which point to the work being referenced, though I have never pursued it or looked at anything. I do know that Bearden thinks something of his reputation and would not sacrifice his credibility by referencing false, or flimsy, claims. I just accepted this as a new aspect of reality, and began to work with it. Whatever works, right? -G -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 16:59:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA08705; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:19 -0700 Message-ID: <39779101.F860CACD@harti.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:53:37 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BvkRx1.0.s72.Q8vTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Oscillating Magnets...thoughts... > > >Graham, > how do you make a self oscillating permanent magnet ? > Seems you already have done this ?! > > I cannot say how at this time, I regret. > However I am certain that the way(s) I use are not the only method for > doing so. I am sure there are other ways, and of course anyone that > discovers them is free to share them if they can, or would kindly like > to. > > >Does it need special material, like special heated iron > or special Barium Ferrite material ? > > I use Barium Ferrite. The higher the Barium content of the magnet, the > better the oscillation. > There are several other factors I have discovered as well, but they are > so specific as to be proprietary. Where is Barium Ferrite powder available ? How expensive is it ? I guess all secrest are in the material science, so it would be best to create our own magnets from the powder and bake it to what we really need and magnetize it ourself. Is there any web chemics catalog or links for more detailed info on Barium Ferrite ? > > I can give a list of magnetic materials and their responses. This may > help. > > Barium Ferrite: has frequency-inspecific scalar resonance of infinite Q. > This is theoretical: practical considerations limit both the Q of the > nuclear "tank" as well as some other factors. Barium ferrite magnets, as > currently manufatured, will almost never work; it is the rare magnet in > the bunch that has usable characteristics. This can make research very > costly. I have the impression form this posting of Graham, that the Barrium Ferrite might also work as a combination of a permanent magnet and an electret or mabye it has also piezo effects, cause it is also a dielectricum. It has a high ohmic resistance and maybe the high voltage polarisation SWEET did with his TV-Tube pulse electrostatic loading has polarized the Barium Ferrite into some kind of electret state and keeps the domains vibrating, due to the precession of the internal gyrocops ?? > >How do you get the domains constantly "ringing" inside ?? > Probably Sweet also did this for this VTA magnets. > > Yes, Sweet did, and this was what it was all about. > > The only thing I think I can say about "how" is something we already > know, it's basic to the web pages on Sweet: you have to use *more than > one* magnetic vector in the magnetization process. Now things are no > longer linear, and all non decaying oscillators are nonlinear. In fact > the total number of combined vectors that seems to work best is a double > digit number, and can require laser alignment. > > > >Can you just wrap a coil around the magnet and then extract energy > or do you have to build a special LC circuit on the same > resonance frequency to tap the ringing domains ? > > The easiest answer is, neither. > It's closest to the LC method but the electromagnetics are of a higher > topology and do not really make sense in common language. > > > >How do they keep their ringing state if you extract the energy ?? > > I don't extract the energy, and I don't know how I could if I tried. > There seems to be no stopping it once it's going, though it does decay > over time - weeks, if the magnet is good. It can be sustained > indefinitely with very small amounts of EM power, as Bearden noted also. > > The major difficulty with the Sweet principle is in the formation of a > link between nuclear and domain vibration. This is where the majority of > the complexity - and the Achilles' heel - of the device lies. They have > to be electromagnetically bonded, and the bond is liable to break, or > fall out of harmony. > > I should repeat that atomic nuclei spin, always, it is their nature to > do so as outlined by quantum "rules". Imagine a precessing gyroscope, > whose spinning gyro inside must always spin by some decreed law of the > universe. Imagine that the angular precession is tapped, coupled to the > shaft of a generator, spinning it and powering a load - but the gyro > causing all the action can't slow down. > > This may be too incredible to believe but the foundation for it is > clearly laid out in quantum texts. > But Graham, how do you extract electrical energy via a bifilar coil then ? If you want to extrcat flux changes this will cancel inside a bifilar coil, so it seems you extract something else ?? How can you tap the energy of the nucleii via a bifilar coil ?? Sound pretty weird to me... I guess we have to study lots more the material science of Barium Ferrite. Any good links ? -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 21:43:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA07092; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bff2cd$e0575320$96d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:41:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qb3nR3.0.jk1.FJzTv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Are there any difficulties installing it or operating it? -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com ; jlnlabs@egroups.com ; ou-builders@egroups.com ; Newman-L Mailing List Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! >Yes, it is a nice technology, >probably almost all current cars could be easily modified >with GEET fuel processors instead of carbeorators and this will >save a lot of gas and also clean the exhaust a lot more. >I have myself today shut down the carbeorator and switched to fuel >processor via valves, which was a fine tuning adjustment needed >in this special setup, but it finnally worked after >the motor and the pipe had warmed up and it was nice to see >the motor just running on this GEET pipe and the bubler ! > >Maybe this could also be combined with the Dingle watercar electrolysis >cell >to even run all cars on just plain tap water. >Look also at : >http://www.overunity.com/watercar > > >Chris O'Barr schrieb: >> >> It's so refreshing to hear about things that actually work (or at least >> exist in some cases) every once and a while. :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stefan Hartmann >> To: Free Energy ; Newman-L Mailing List >> ; ou-builders@egroups.com ; >> jlnlabs@egroups.com ; info@geet.com >> Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:02 PM >> Subject: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! >> >> >Hi All, >> >I just came back from the Technical university of Berlin. Germany, >> >where there was the endpresentation of their >> >last semester effort to build a GEET fuel processor hooked up >> >to a commercial bought Emergency power agregat. >> >This was a 4 stroke 1 cylinder motor hooked up to an AC >> >induction generator producing 1.7 KWatts of power >> >at 220 Volts output. >> > >> >The Geet processor was build according to planīs on Jl. >> >Naudinīs site and they also had emails from Mr. Pantome >> >and his patents. >> >They had measured the GEET machine from Olaf Berens >> >and had quite good low exhaust emmisions. >> > >> >Today I witnessed their own build machine and after >> >a tuning and adjustment process it did run just on the bubler >> >input and the normal Carburetor was shut off. >> > >> >The whole thing was just run with normal unleaded gas and a little >> >bit water was also inside the bubbler. >> >So it seems the basic principle works fine by replacing >> >the Carburetor with it and also have low emmisions. >> >As their own machine was only today tested really for the first time, >> >it was too early to say, if the machine will also just run only on Coca >> >Cola >> >as Mr. Pantome claims or other strange fuels. >> >It also still had a few insolation problems cause it had a small leakage >> >point, so the bubler was not totally closing. >> >But you could see very good the Foam it made up in the bubler and >> >the standing pressure wave above it with each stroke of the motor. >> >The right pressure inside the bubler seems to be important ! >> > >> >Anyway, it was a nice demo to see, that this thing really works ! >> >How much fuel it really needs and what kind of fuel mixtures >> >can be used will be seen with further future tests. >> > >> >If you want to have a closer look at the GEET process, >> >go here: >> > >> >http://www.geet.com >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >> >-- >> >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >> >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >> >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >> >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >> >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! >> > >> > > >-- > >Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 23:04:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA30744; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:02:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:02:02 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Orbital Mass Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:01:24 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <20000718172331.9598.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000718172331.9598.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA30711 Resent-Message-ID: <"gwj_V3.0.HW7.PT-Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Colin Cain's message of Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:23:31 GMT: >Is it possible to calculate the mass of an orbiting object from the orbital >parameters of that object? Is there a formula? No, the orbital parameters are independent of the mass of the orbiting object. Only the mass of the object being orbited shows up. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 20 23:18:04 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA01399; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:17:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:17:33 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:16:49 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <39773C52.C1D6A087@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <39773C52.C1D6A087@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA01334 Resent-Message-ID: <"_noWB2.0.gL.vh-Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:52:18 +0200: >Hi All, >I just came back from the Technical university of Berlin. Germany, >where there was the endpresentation of their >last semester effort to build a GEET fuel processor hooked up >to a commercial bought Emergency power agregat. >This was a 4 stroke 1 cylinder motor hooked up to an AC >induction generator producing 1.7 KWatts of power >at 220 Volts output. [snip] Hi Stefan, Could you also post future updates on the work at TU Berlin? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 00:32:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA11543; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:27:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:27:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001801bff2e5$a758a3e0$889da0d1@pavilion> From: "Norm Silliman" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:31:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"e3K7H1.0.Fq2.2j_Tv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com From: R.U. Sirius Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:42 PM >Since I don't have my VDG up and running anymore, I can't look into this >further, but here's some things I would try. First, if you move in fast >enough, you will probably get a discharge no matter what, but what about the >distance or closeness you can get with finger verses back of hand? In other >words, if you can get closer with just a finger, it is probably due to the >fact that there is a larger drain. See what I'm saying? Also, your finger, >though smaller than your hand, is still quite rounded, try the experiment >again with a nail taped to your fingertip point out. Also, try the pole >experiment I cited, it's never failed for me, I used a metal spere on the >end of a pole. The sphere was about 4 in. in diameter. The other pole, >(actually I used the back of the same sphere pole, had a simple nail >attached. > >Let me know what you find! Here is the results of the experiment that I ran this evening. Using the cap from ceiling lamp (about 4 inches in diameter, with a 1 inch bulge to form a dome): about 3/4 to 7/8 inch long sparks when the dome approches the vdg dome, about 1/4 to 3/8 inch long sparks when the edge of cap approaches the vdg dome. As an aside, when I approach the vdg with my forearm, I get a discharge from the vdg to the hair on my arm at a distance of about 7 inches (the hair stands out about an inch so the distance is about 6 inches. Norm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 02:16:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA26399; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:13:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:13:40 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bff2f3$f9a86280$4e8ba8cf@surfsouth.com> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: References: <001801bff2e5$a758a3e0$889da0d1@pavilion> Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:13:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"J8whn1.0.NS6.1H1Uv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Well using this device we can tap the energy with a jet of water http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US06012330__ Wonder how effective it is in a rainstorm? - and we all remember the Egyptian Pyramids were really just large water pumps http://www.patents.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/WO09911925A1 http://www.thepump.org/pump.html (hey they even have a "whirlpool cone" on this thing for david dennard - haha) The pump was probably used to tap the clouds for energy to power the antigrav vehicles in atlantis no doubt - wonder what the isokeraunic level is in egypt :-) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 03:00:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA32334; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:58:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:58:12 -0700 Message-ID: <39781D9E.497F73CF@harti.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:53:34 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Robin van Spaandonk Subject: Re: [FG]: GEET fuel processor works great ! References: <39773C52.C1D6A087@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iplUW1.0.7v7.qw1Uv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Hi Stefan, > > Could you also post future updates on the work at TU Berlin? > Sure Robin, no problem. Regards, Stefan. > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 07:05:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA23941; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:05:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:05:07 -0700 From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:07:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [FG]: electron flow Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Message-ID: <39782EE9.31045.47DB894@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000a01bff1d7$b5c65580$2d6ad9d0@58hde> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <"ABY8a1.0.xr5.IY5Uv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Robert, > Hello All, If a mass of copper wire was designed so that electrons would > flow in the presence of a magnet without moving the magnet or the mass of > copper wire, the world of electrical components would radically change. This > is a real experiment that is being done by me. The so called electrons in > the wire just need a appointed direction to go. Could you please explain that "mass of cooper wire" ? > The fact that electrons moving down a wire has always bothered me. But by > today's acceptance of a yesterday's theory, the explanation still meets the > need. With the mass of copper wire constructed in the correct manner, the > magnet is placed in close proximity. The electrons start to move. A > seperation between positive and negative charges begins. They are directed > and allowed to flow to a cap which is continuously discharged causing the > cycle to repeat itself. The time of the cycle relies on the design of the > mass of copper wire. 60 cycles has not be achieved by me yet. What kind of frequency have you achieved ? > This is a area in which researchers and experimenters should go. Understand > and build a copperwire mass that is sensitive to a magnet without movement of > either one. I'm very interested ! Details, please ! > I don't have the time or desire to answer insults or negative thoughts > regarding this subject. Please, just hit the delete key and forget this > message if you feel this way. > > Regards, Robert H. Calloway > > "Nothing like a good experiment to upset a theory" > --- Bye, Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 15:12:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15853; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:13 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:09:53 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? In-reply-to: <3971FA91.E31835DB@harti.com> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2856ZYOHPZ34D X400-MTS-identifier: [;35908112700002/4908689@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"860pd.0.ct3.0gCUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, The way I've heard it all my life is Benjamin Franklin used a kite to do this. Hence the phrase "Go fly a kite!". Similar in meaning to: "Go play in the road!" or "Go take a long walk on a short pier!". Bill webriggs@concentric.net Briggs@XLNsystems.com >Benjamin Franklin used a balloon to do this and >did power an electrostatic motor with it, >but he did not do it during a thunderstorm ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 15:33:41 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA22929; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:32:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:32:58 -0700 X-Originating-IP: 213.6.8.176 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Sender: "harti@harti.com" From: "harti@harti.com" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:33:34 -0400 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" CC: "MH2_BRIGGS@ODNVMS.A1.Ohio.Gov" Reply-To: harti@harti.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <20000721183367.SM00728@m2w025> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id PAA22872 Resent-Message-ID: <"bVotf.0.1c5.Q-CUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Yes, sorry, I mixed this up. Yes, it was a kite with a current conducting carbon or something like this containing line (wire). Original Message: ----------------- From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 MH2_BRIGGS@ODNVMS.A1.Ohio.Gov Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? All, The way I've heard it all my life is Benjamin Franklin used a kite to do this. Hence the phrase "Go fly a kite!". Similar in meaning to: "Go play in the road!" or "Go take a long walk on a short pier!". Bill webriggs@concentric.net Briggs@XLNsystems.com >Benjamin Franklin used a balloon to do this and >did power an electrostatic motor with it, >but he did not do it during a thunderstorm ! ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 16:21:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA06328; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:21:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:21:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3978DAB2.72353FEA@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:20:18 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Stefan Hartmann Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! References: <39777B20.25895E84@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ay-_X2.0.UY1.chDUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > If this falls through and they prove to be greedy I will default (they > know this, and I have warned them), Good policy! > and post how to build my version of > a working "Sweet device" (though similar only in principle) freely on > the internet, and in many places so it will be copied beyond any > institution's ability to silence it. This would personally place me at > great risk in many ways but I am one life among seven billion people > breathing exhaust fumes, I will do it anyway, que sera sera. > You may look to Publius. Publius is an internet publishing system made on AT&T labs recently as I recall against censoring and suppression. It allow anonymous publishing and resistant to suppression attempts using cryptography and distributed host systems worldwide. See http://cs1.cs.nyu.edu/waldman/publius/ It may be a good policy to keep your work updated on week basis (and keep your top secret documents on such a distributed public storage system secured by encription and gives the keys to somebody you can trust. In a suppression attempt the keys will be p ublic domain by these persons, and your documents will be come availabe to anybody at this instant. May a smart card increase the trust between you and the watchdog person who you share the key. A well designed hardened smartcard may really resist resourceful attacks ( > $1M and unless the card silicon and eeproms bits are exposed to US national labora tories microscopes and beams.:)) So the other solutions to suppress the inventions would be more economic. :) For example you need to send signed mails to watchdog person each month to keep secret the keys. If you fail to send mail before a timeout, this person will automatically make the keys public domain. You may use smart card to sign you letter and keep the smart card always with you. As you need a pin number to use the smart card nobody can use it unless you give the pin number. keep mind the smart card could be locked forever if you submit wrong pin nu mbers repeatedly. Actually you can run this process without direct connection to key keeper by posing the monthly signed mail to public forum or any public places. This provide the security of the key keeper. I dont know yet the details of publius system, may it may provide such a integrated timeout mechanism. > While I must withhold information in this present time, please do know > that the "secrets" will not fade, so far as I can help it, and will be > known to the world in the end, one way or another. I have even buried > some of what I know and there are those who know where it is. I will do > my best to make sure full disclosure happens so long as nobody shoots me > :) Please nobody do. I feel I place myself at risk, writing to audiences > unknown. > Good luck, dont forget that a company could be bought by another apparently for "better purposing the aims" and without any signs of conspiracy. But actually may do the contrary. Keep your senses open, do not suppress any doubt or something which not goes well. One can be stressed and manipulated to force to suppress his senses and early warnings, I think the way against the suppression is early reacting before be owned (too late) . If you really interested on Publius system/cryptography and smartcards i believe I can help you. > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 19:07:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA32085; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:06:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:06:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:06:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200007220206.WAA14810@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Resent-Message-ID: <"YEiar3.0.Er7.z6GUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan writes: >You may look to Publius. Publius is an internet publishing system made on AT&T labs recently as I recall against censoring and suppression. It allow anonymous publishing and resistant to suppression attempts using cryptography and distributed host systems worldwide. > >See http://cs1.cs.nyu.edu/waldman/publius/ Ummm, Stefan, I hate to tell you, but AT&T it an integral part of the US corporate/government spy network. It is one of the things that we have had to deal with over here. They can monitor everything without warrants, call it a service check, and sell the information to the highest bidder. Read 2600 magazine. That is just the monitoring part. They can also broadcast messages over the phone as well. They call it "communicating", but we call it mass programming. ;) Bottom line is, I wouldn't trust their encryption schemes or data storage offers with anything of real importance. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 22:02:13 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17823; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:01:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:01:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01bff398$875d9920$0200a8c6@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:51:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nEFpP1.0.NM4.OgIUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Even if this is true, (the AT&T thing) why go through all that mess anyway? Why not just download the international version of PGP. (International version doesn't have RSA encryption routines, so no US Gov. "tinkering" so to speak). Create a public and private key. Encrypt the documents with the public key, post them to web pages, newsgroups, email lists, etc... Then give the private key to a few "key" individuals (hrmm.. that was kinda Punny... heh), and if the moment ever comes, and they don't hear from you etc.. or however you work it out, they release the private key to the public. That way anyone who snags the key can unencrypt the documents. Use a 1024bit or 2048bit key, and even the best supercomputers couldn't crack it in your lifetime. Seems pretty fool proof to me. -----Original Message----- From: Michael T Huffman To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! >Stefan writes: > >>You may look to Publius. Publius is an internet publishing system made on >AT&T labs recently as I recall against censoring and suppression. It allow >anonymous publishing and resistant to suppression attempts using >cryptography and distributed host systems worldwide. >> >>See http://cs1.cs.nyu.edu/waldman/publius/ > >Ummm, Stefan, I hate to tell you, but AT&T it an integral part of the US >corporate/government spy network. It is one of the things that we have had >to deal with over here. They can monitor everything without warrants, call >it a service check, and sell the information to the highest bidder. Read >2600 magazine. That is just the monitoring part. They can also broadcast >messages over the phone as well. They call it "communicating", but we call >it mass programming. ;) > >Bottom line is, I wouldn't trust their encryption schemes or data storage >offers with anything of real importance. > >Knuke >Michael T. Huffman >Huffman Technology Company >1121 Dustin Drive >The Villages, Florida 32159 >(352)259-1276 >knuke@LCIA.COM >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 22:20:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA23950; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:20:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:20:28 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.28.94.34] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:19:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2000 05:19:52.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[7715FA40:01BFF39C] Resent-Message-ID: <"gHx5i3.0.-r5.RyIUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com True... True... True... Timothy... >From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) >Ummm, Stefan, I hate to tell you, but AT&T it an integral part of the US >corporate/government spy network. It is one of the things that we have had >to deal with over here. They can monitor everything without warrants, call >it a service check, and sell the information to the highest bidder. Read >2600 magazine. That is just the monitoring part. They can also broadcast >messages over the phone as well. They call it "communicating", but we call >it mass programming. ;) > >Bottom line is, I wouldn't trust their encryption schemes or data storage >offers with anything of real importance. > >Knuke >Michael T. Huffman ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 21 23:35:37 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA07248; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:34:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:34:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bff3a6$af263260$61d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:33:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"eMmMW1.0.9n1.82KUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Actually, it's unlikely that Franklin actually did that. It may just be a story. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 To: freenrg-l Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: Re: Lightning strikes...tapping the strike ? >All, > >The way I've heard it all my life is Benjamin Franklin used a kite to do this. > >Hence the phrase "Go fly a kite!". > >Similar in meaning to: >"Go play in the road!" or "Go take a long walk on a short pier!". > >Bill >webriggs@concentric.net >Briggs@XLNsystems.com > >>Benjamin Franklin used a balloon to do this and >>did power an electrostatic motor with it, >>but he did not do it during a thunderstorm ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 22 03:40:33 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA05961; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:40:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:40:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:40:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200007221040.GAA19671@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Resent-Message-ID: <"1M-AV3.0.2T1.6eNUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >True... True... True... > >Timothy... Yes, it is true, and all of it has been reported in the mainstream press over here. What is significant, I think, is that if what Graham is saying about oscillating magnets is true, then what he may have would be of interest to AT&T, as well as any other communications hardware company. If he can't tap any power out this concept, he may be able to use it as the basis for a solid state communication device similar to the one demonstrated recently in Berlin that Stefan reported to us. There has been mention of similar devices, one tested in Scotland, and one here in the US. I don't know any details at all about the Scottish version, but I looked at that US patent and it was maser based, as opposed to an LC resonating coil concept. The resulting action, I think is the same though. Since these devices are becoming accepted as real or proven to be real, it raises some questions of how two people would communicate, and how they would keep the communications private and separate from all the other communications that would be using this type of method. The need for an addressing or tuning system, plus an encryption method would be critical for any kind of standard device to be employed. Reliance upon any device manufacturer to guarantee privacy of course, would be foolish, and even using a program like PGP would not satisfy me, considering how much pressure the author was given not to release that software. It would be necessary in my opinion, to study the physics and math of encryption and build the hardware myself, as well as write my own program. Even the communication devices themselves may be easy to build if the plans were made public. At any rate, I saw a great article the other day by Bob Paddock that treated much of this subject matter at: http://www.chipcenter.com/circuitcellar/august99/c89r4.htm Knuke Michael T. 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Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hands within 96 hours. You will get a very pleasant surprise. --part1_a3.8f74a11.26ab024a_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 22 08:01:40 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA15862; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:01:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001101bff3ec$4128fd60$0200a8c6@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:51:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lpp683.0.ht3.mSRUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Since these devices are becoming accepted as real or proven to be real, it >raises some questions of how two people would communicate, and how they >would keep the communications private and separate from all the other >communications that would be using this type of method. The need for an >addressing or tuning system, plus an encryption method would be critical for >any kind of standard device to be employed. This wouldn't really be that difficult. As far as addressing, there are numerous methods, once the internet evolves to IPv6, there will be enough IP addresses to give every molocule on earth it's own address. Think of what a device like that would do for the internet, and all our communication mediums. Not to mention the possibility of combining all our communications into one. As for encryption, I agree. Same concept of most cable modems, etc... Since everyone shares the line the only method of privacy would be encryption. > Reliance upon any device >manufacturer to guarantee privacy of course, would be foolish, I agree... >and even >using a program like PGP would not satisfy me, considering how much pressure >the author was given not to release that software. That is exactly the reason I WOULD trust it. The government put so much pressure on zimmerman because THEY could not break the encryption. It was far to "scary" to them to think that every man woman and child could actually have "secrets" that they didn't know about. They did everything they could to try to keep it from reaching the public. Fortunatly they were too late. Of course then they worked the deal of having the RSA routines in the US version. This is why I said I would stick to the international version. That's the beauty of PGP, doesn't matter if they know the alogorithm or not. Everyone knows the algorithm, it just doesn't do a bit of good without BOTH the public and the private key. >It would be necessary in my opinion, to study the physics and math of >encryption and build the hardware myself, as well as write my own program. I have studied encryption for YEARS, and I have wrote some very good programs, but I still encrypt my own stuff with PGP. What's even better, is you can get the source code and compile it yourself. That way you can examine it and know there is nothing "fishy" in the code. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 22 16:50:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13641; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:50:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:50:14 -0700 Message-ID: <397A321F.244AA4B3@harti.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:45:35 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wum-S2.0.-K3.sCZUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block of material ? Hi all, what do we get, if we mix Barium Ferrite with Barium Titanat and create with this powder a new block of material as 1. a permanent magnet and 2. an electret by just magnetising it (in a permanent magnet magnetizer) and producing an electret via heating it (still below the Curie temperature and imprint a HV DC static field), so that the E-field is 90 degrees perpendicular oriented to the magnetic field in this "device". Will there be some kind of motion to be seen as the "right hand rule" might predict ? Maybe if we put electrode plates onto the electret part of this thing and short them out, will this fly like the gravity caps nobody got to work ? In this thing there would be E x B ! What will this give ? -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 22 22:30:22 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA15347; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:29:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:29:43 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.35] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:29:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2000 05:29:08.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECAF0D80:01BFF466] Resent-Message-ID: <"dD5ZC3.0.el3.6BeUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com NOT TRUE... >From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! >Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:40:02 -0400 > > >True... True... True... > > > >Timothy... > >Yes, it is true, and all of it has been reported in the mainstream press >over here. What is significant, I think, is that if what Graham is saying >about oscillating magnets is true, then what he may have would be of >interest to AT&T, as well as any other communications hardware company. If >he can't tap any power out this concept, he may be able to use it as the >basis for a solid state communication device similar to the one >demonstrated >recently in Berlin that Stefan reported to us. There has been mention of >similar devices, one tested in Scotland, and one here in the US. I don't >know any details at all about the Scottish version, but I looked at that US >patent and it was maser based, as opposed to an LC resonating coil concept. >The resulting action, I think is the same though. > >Since these devices are becoming accepted as real or proven to be real, it >raises some questions of how two people would communicate, and how they >would keep the communications private and separate from all the other >communications that would be using this type of method. The need for an >addressing or tuning system, plus an encryption method would be critical >for >any kind of standard device to be employed. Reliance upon any device >manufacturer to guarantee privacy of course, would be foolish, and even >using a program like PGP would not satisfy me, considering how much >pressure >the author was given not to release that software. > >It would be necessary in my opinion, to study the physics and math of >encryption and build the hardware myself, as well as write my own program. >Even the communication devices themselves may be easy to build if the plans >were made public. At any rate, I saw a great article the other day by Bob >Paddock that treated much of this subject matter at: > >http://www.chipcenter.com/circuitcellar/august99/c89r4.htm > >Knuke >Michael T. Huffman >Huffman Technology Company >1121 Dustin Drive >The Villages, Florida 32159 >(352)259-1276 >knuke@LCIA.COM >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 03:28:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA16905; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:27:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:27:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200007231027.GAA11452@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block of material ? Resent-Message-ID: <"DPR2i3.0.084.hYiUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan writes: >Hi all, >what do we get, if we mix Barium Ferrite with Barium Titanat >and create with this powder a new block of material as >1. a permanent magnet and >2. an electret >by just magnetising it (in a permanent magnet magnetizer) >and producing an electret via heating it (still >below the Curie temperature and imprint a HV DC static field), >so that the E-field is 90 degrees perpendicular oriented to the magnetic >field >in this "device". > >Will there be some kind of motion to be seen as the "right hand rule" >might predict ? >Maybe if we put electrode plates onto the electret part of this thing >and >short them out, will this fly like the gravity caps nobody got to work ? >In this thing there would be E x B ! >What will this give ? > They both sound like good ideas, and could be tried cheaper with whatever magnets you have around, and some acrylic for the electret. You could smash the magnets into a powder, carefully melt the acrylic and mix in in, let the magnetic powder get pole oriented, and then cool the acrylic into whatever shape you wanted. As long as the magnet material you are using has a Curie Temp higher than around 160 degrees Fahrenheit, it should be OK. Then impress the HV DC charge into the acrylic to make an electret, and either coat with silver paint or electoplate a silver finish onto it to get the electrodes. I wonder if that is what Searle has been fooling around with in his experiments with Neodymium? For Graham's power generation ideas, he might look into Gadolinium. There was a young woman here in the states that made who designed and built a small motor that used the low Curie temp. of Gadolinium to produce an oscillating movement. It is a departure, I think, from his original thinking, but it does work. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 03:28:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA16891; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:27:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:27:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:27:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200007231027.GAA11449@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Resent-Message-ID: <"hO_9w1.0.q74.gYiUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tim writes: >NOT TRUE... Care to elaborate? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 03:28:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA16975; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:28:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:28:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200007231027.GAA11457@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Resent-Message-ID: <"sGRRh.0.894.nYiUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com RU writes: >This wouldn't really be that difficult. As far as addressing, there are >numerous methods, once the internet evolves to IPv6, there will be enough IP >addresses to give every molocule on earth it's own address. Think of what a >device like that would do for the internet, and all our communication >mediums. Not to mention the possibility of combining all our communications >into one. As for encryption, I agree. Same concept of most cable modems, >etc... Since everyone shares the line the only method of privacy would be >encryption. You are right about the addressing I guess, and the inevitable implosion of quite a large chunk of media related industries. >That is exactly the reason I WOULD trust it. The government put so much >pressure on zimmerman because THEY could not break the encryption. It was >far to "scary" to them to think that every man woman and child could >actually have "secrets" that they didn't know about. They did everything >they could to try to keep it from reaching the public. Fortunatly they were >too late. Of course then they worked the deal of having the RSA routines in >the US version. This is why I said I would stick to the international >version. That's the beauty of PGP, doesn't matter if they know the >alogorithm or not. Everyone knows the algorithm, it just doesn't do a bit >of good without BOTH the public and the private key. > >>It would be necessary in my opinion, to study the physics and math of >>encryption and build the hardware myself, as well as write my own program. > > >I have studied encryption for YEARS, and I have wrote some very good >programs, but I still encrypt my own stuff with PGP. What's even better, is >you can get the source code and compile it yourself. That way you can >examine it and know there is nothing "fishy" in the code. You are probably right about this too. I'm just always a bit skeptical about anyone who claims that their software is bulletproof. Even a compiler or the operating system that it runs on could be capable of producing doorways or at least identifiers in the resulting machine code, I would guess. It is a complicated matter. I used to do a lot of programming myself about 15 years ago or so, and I would think that in order to get the tightest code for speed, and guarantee the security, that it would be necessary to understand the algorthm, first of all, and then translate it by hand into machine code, and punch it directly into an eprom. You would almost have to do that anyway to include the OS for any small, homerolled comm device. It is a real plus that Zimmerman published the PGP source. I didn't know that. All I've seen are places to download the two versions of the exe's, but I haven't really looked into it very deeply. I would also use older eproms, A/D and processor chips too, just to make sure that they didn't have any identifiers in them on the silicon itself. They might be slower, but for something like just dedicated speech, they would probably do OK on tight code. It would take me a year to do that sort of thing now, but it would be a fun thing to do. Then of course, I would install the whole unit into my shoe. Ring. Ring. Uh... excuse me Chief... Maxwell Smart here! Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 07:50:21 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24129; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:49:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:49:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bff4b3$91eb3f20$0200a8c6@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:37:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"T_yNG1.0.su5.KOmUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael T Huffman To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! >You are probably right about this too. I'm just always a bit skeptical >about anyone who claims that their software is bulletproof. Very true, but I'm not sure zimmerman ever claimed his software was bulletproof. Even the name "PGP" stands for Pretty Good Privacy. Now if it was named BPP, Bullet Proof Privacy, that would be another story. All joking aside though, I think it was other cryptographers and users that claimed it was "bulletproof" not zimmerman himself. >Even a compiler >or the operating system that it runs on could be capable of producing >doorways or at least identifiers in the resulting machine code, I would >guess. You are correct. This would concern me more than anything. I guess the biggest protection from this would be to compile it first, then use sourcer or some other disassembler and go through the asm and see if anything out of the ordinary pops up. The only problem I see with this method is that I haven't found a disassembler yet that doesn't output some pretty strange code. It's certainly not clean cut or optimized anyway. But I guess if you have the time to pour over it and it's that important to you, it would be worth it. > It is a complicated matter. I used to do a lot of programming >myself about 15 years ago or so, and I would think that in order to get the >tightest code for speed, and guarantee the security, that it would be >necessary to understand the algorthm, first of all, and then translate it by >hand into machine code, and punch it directly into an eprom. You would >almost have to do that anyway to include the OS for any small, homerolled >comm device. I agree, the translation and burning would be the way to go, especially with security in mind. As for the OS, embedded linux has made some great strides. I believe you can fit it on a single 512k prom now. With a 1mb prom, you could probably get the os, interface, and pgp on a single prom. As for the data and the private key, you could use the "smartmedia" flash cards that a lot of digital cameras use. (I have and olympus, and you can get up to 32Mb on a single card. The cards are about 1 inch square, and less than a millimeter thick. Use one card for your data and one card for your private key. Geee... wanna start a company? hehehhee >It is a real plus that Zimmerman published the PGP source. I >didn't know that. All I've seen are places to download the two versions of >the exe's, but I haven't really looked into it very deeply. Yeah, I think MIT has the source posted, several other sites too. (MIT were the ones that backed up zimmerman when the government was coming down so hard on him.) I think the reason he released the source was for two reasons, one so that it could be ported to any platform, and two so that anyone could look at the source and see that there were no backdoors etc.. in it. >I would also use older eproms, A/D and processor chips too, just to make >sure that they didn't have any identifiers in them on the silicon itself. Great idea... >They might be slower, but for something like just dedicated speech, they >would probably do OK on tight code. It would take me a year to do that sort >of thing now, but it would be a fun thing to do. Then of course, I would >install the whole unit into my shoe. > >Ring. Ring. Uh... excuse me Chief... Maxwell Smart here! hahahaha, and if you took off your shoe, it would automatically destroy the flash card with your private key on it! ;) Course, that could make taking a shower hell.... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 12:50:12 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA23160; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:49:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:49:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bff4de$10ac2f20$6e3dee3f@default> From: "Nick Reiter" To: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:41:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFF4BC.870453E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ydMqb1.0.jf5.AnqUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Temporary departure; thoughts from Nick Reiter This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFF4BC.870453E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, all... I will be temporarily unsubscribing after this letter. Just going = away on a two week vacation, and wanted to spare my server from having = to hold a hundred or more e-mails. I will resubscribe promptly when I = return. These past couple of months on the list have been great fun, = and intellectually worthy as well. I wish all of the group luck with = their experiments while I am out of town. There are two general ideas that I would like to toss out to the = group, dealing with electro-gravity. Chew on these, and I will eagerly = peruse the list archive when I get back, to see if any good advice or = input came back from them: 1. After reviewing the archived personal correspondence of TT Brown, = available on the Thomas Townsend Brown family website, I am beginning to = get a picture of his work that I had not had before. Apparently, in his final years, Brown maintained that the one true = remaining anomaly from his electrogravity work (not explainable by = coulombic forces or ion wind) was his very earliest invention, the = "gravitator". The later work (1940s, 50s and 60s) with charged frames, = canopies, and flying discs led into an area that was problematic with = respect to pinning down true E-G effects. The pdf file on the Brown website containing the document from 1926 = "How I Control Gravitation" is the key, I believe. It describes the = action of the Gravitator and a number of diagrams. I think that a = misunderstanding of the gravitator was what led to many people later = maintaining that the Biefeld Brown effect was simply the action of a = high voltage cap, to move toward the positive plate. Ah! But that was = only part of it. Look at the diagrams carefully. Mass of the unit was = critical! Brown used lead plates and materials like litharge. High = atomic mass. Something for an aether stress to push against perhaps...? There are also similarities between the Cellular type gravitator and = the tin foil grav cap bantered about on this list. Maybe tin was = necessary because it is HEAVY. If so, then lead, bismuth, or uranium = foils would work better. (PS - re: Bi foil. None that I know of; = bismuth is not malleable or ductile enough. However, maybe an alloy of = Bi and Pb, like Woods metal could be rolled or hammered) Last week, I built a simple litharge composite gravitator capacitor = (used beeswax as the binding medium for the PbO) I tried suspending it = and applied 15 kV to it. Sadly, I didn't see any net impulse or motion, = however my V was likely way too small. When I get back from vacation, I = should have a 50 kV 1 mA canned supply waiting for me. We'll try it = again using that! 2. I am also working on deriving some experiments to test a novel = theory of gravitation originated by Dr. Harold McMaster. Harold has = hypothesized, as others have also, that space, or the aether of space, = flows into matter like water flows into a submerged porous suction head. = However, the distinctive part of his theory says that gravity is not = simply a result of aether flow, but rather a result of a CONVERGING flow = of aether. The aether can likely be stressed by assorted means, but a = converging flow of aether would be needed to produce gravity. How to produce a converging or diverging flow of space or aether = (whatever model you choose to use) might be the key to artificial = gravity or anti gravity. Well, so long for 2 weeks... NR ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFF4BC.870453E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, all...
 
   I will be temporarily = unsubscribing=20 after this letter.  Just going away on a two week vacation, and = wanted to=20 spare my server from having to hold a hundred or more e-mails.  I = will=20 resubscribe promptly when I return.  These past couple of months on = the=20 list have been great fun, and intellectually worthy as well.  I = wish all of=20 the group luck with their experiments while I am out of = town.
 
   There are two general = ideas that I=20 would like to toss out to the group, dealing with electro-gravity.  = Chew on=20 these, and I will eagerly peruse the list archive when I get back, to = see if any=20 good advice or input came back from them:
 
1.  After reviewing  the = archived=20 personal correspondence of TT Brown, available on the Thomas Townsend = Brown=20 family website, I am beginning to get a picture of his work that I had = not had=20 before.
   Apparently, in his final = years, Brown=20 maintained that the one true remaining anomaly from his electrogravity = work (not=20 explainable by coulombic forces or ion wind) was his very earliest = invention,=20 the "gravitator".  The later work (1940s, 50s and 60s) with charged = frames,=20 canopies, and flying discs led into an area that was problematic with = respect to=20 pinning down true E-G effects.
   The pdf file on the Brown = website=20 containing the document from 1926 "How I Control Gravitation" is the = key, I=20 believe.  It describes the action of the Gravitator and a number of = diagrams.  I think that a misunderstanding of the gravitator was = what led=20 to many people later maintaining that the Biefeld Brown effect was = simply=20 the  action of a high voltage cap, to move toward the positive = plate. =20 Ah!  But that was only part of it.  Look at the diagrams=20 carefully.  Mass of the unit was critical!  Brown used lead = plates and=20 materials like litharge.  High atomic mass.  Something for an = aether=20 stress to push against perhaps...?
   There are also = similarities between=20 the Cellular type gravitator and the tin foil grav cap bantered about on = this=20 list.  Maybe tin was necessary because it is HEAVY. If so, then = lead,=20 bismuth, or uranium foils would work better. (PS - re: Bi foil.  = None that=20 I know of; bismuth is not malleable or ductile enough.  However, = maybe an=20 alloy of Bi and Pb, like Woods metal could be rolled or = hammered)
   Last week, I built a = simple litharge=20 composite gravitator capacitor (used beeswax as the binding medium for = the=20 PbO)  I tried suspending it and applied 15 kV to it.  Sadly, I = didn't=20 see any net impulse or motion, however my V was likely way too = small.  When=20 I get back from vacation, I should have a 50 kV 1 mA canned supply = waiting for=20 me.  We'll try it again using that!
 
2.  I am also working on deriving = some=20 experiments to test a novel theory of gravitation originated by Dr. = Harold=20 McMaster.  Harold has hypothesized, as others have also, that = space, or the=20 aether of space, flows into matter like water flows into a submerged = porous=20 suction head.  However, the distinctive part of his theory says = that=20 gravity is not simply a result of aether flow, but rather a result of a=20 CONVERGING flow of aether.  The aether can likely be stressed by = assorted=20 means, but a converging flow of aether would be needed to produce=20 gravity.
   How to produce a = converging or=20 diverging flow of space or aether (whatever model you choose to use) = might be=20 the key to artificial gravity or anti gravity.
 
   Well, so long for 2=20 weeks...
 
NR
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFF4BC.870453E0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 15:00:17 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA25219; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:59:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:59:44 -0700 Message-ID: <397B69B7.4B1BAC24@harti.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:55:04 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JnVMP3.0.u96.GhsUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: New ASF movies online ! Hi All, I just have begun to digitize a few new movies from the Berlin congress of free energy at the 8th of July 2000. 2 movies are already online at: http://mars.spaceports.com/~over/movies/ I will add a few more during this evening ! Stay tuned. vortex01.asf is a movie Showing Bernhard Schaeffer pushing the vortex barrel and this producing a flying smoke vortex, which blows out 2 candle lights about 25 Meters away. This experiment violates the 2nd "law" of thermodynamics, cause air must have a "negative viscosity" to explain this experiment. geet01.asf is a movie about a talk between Olaf Berens and me standing in front of the new GEET egenerator built at the TU-Berlin. The bubler still was missing at this day, but I have seen it running on the 20th of July. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 19:55:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA04030; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:54:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:54:44 -0700 Message-ID: <397BAE96.21EED111@harti.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:48:54 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mcv0n1.0.k-.q_wUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Pictures and movies of the Berlin congress online ! Hi All, I also have added many pictures from the Berlin free energy congress to the directory: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress/ Especially the lecture of Prof. K. Meyl was very interesting about his scalar wave theory and practical solution, which he is selling now as a kit, so I decided to put 55 pictures up of his presentation, where you also can see the hardware he sells. I will add some more during the next few days, cause I am pretty busy. here are still the new 2 movies: I just have begun to digitize a few new movies from the Berlin congress of free energy at the 8th of July 2000. 2 movies are already online at: http://mars.spaceports.com/~over/movies/ I will add a few more during the next days. Stay tuned. vortex01.asf is a movie Showing Bernhard Schaeffer pushing the vortex barrel and this producing a flying smoke vortex, which blows out 2 candle lights about 25 Meters away. This experiment violates the 2nd "law" of thermodynamics, cause air must have a "negative viscosity" to explain this experiment. geet01.asf is a movie about a talk between Olaf Berens and me standing in front of the new GEET generator built at the Technical University of Berlin, Germany. The bubbler still was missing at this day, but I have seen it running on the 20th of July. P.S.: You really need Mediaplayer 6.4 for to be able to watch the Movies ! (Mediaplayer 6.2 will not work !) Also try to download them first before playing, cause they have a datarate of about 32 Kbytes/sec. Sometimes there are errors when downloading with Netscape, so use IE 5.x or Netvampire.com or GetRight download tools. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 21:55:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA01006; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:55:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:55:19 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.176] From: "Timothy Flytch" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:54:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2000 04:54:46.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[49CBB8F0:01BFF52B] Resent-Message-ID: <"rZKeu3.0.aF.smyUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com You twisted my words... I was agreeing that AT&T is a form of big brother... not that they would want or need any information we could give... They just want to control... Why would they want to gain free energy??? That would be like PG&E (my local power co.) buying electricity... It is all run on a cost plus bases with there profit being based on a percentage of the cost... If it cost more they get more... And the only danger is if you try to cut into there pie... Here, there is a grant program for solar cells to power your house... BUT only if you sine a waver saying you will never go off grid!!! So they buy power from you at $.03/kwh and sell it back at $.13/kwh... Who is making money here??? Timothy... >From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [FG]: Oscillating Magnets. IMPORTANT ! >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:27:50 -0400 > >Tim writes: > > >NOT TRUE... > >Care to elaborate? > >Knuke > > >Michael T. Huffman >Huffman Technology Company >1121 Dustin Drive >The Villages, Florida 32159 >(352)259-1276 >knuke@LCIA.COM >http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 23 22:22:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07478; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:21:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:21:44 -0700 From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: Pictures and movies of the Berlin congress online ! Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:21:07 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <397BAE96.21EED111@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <397BAE96.21EED111@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA07459 Resent-Message-ID: <"VpRWa1.0.lq1.e9zUv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In reply to Stefan Hartmann's message of Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:48:54 +0200: [snip] >Especially the lecture of Prof. K. Meyl was very >interesting about his scalar wave theory and practical solution, >which he is selling now as a kit, so I decided to put 55 pictures >up of his presentation, where you also can see the hardware he sells. [snip] I'm not particularly impressed by the possibility of using neutrino power. The power density of solar neutrinos is about 1/30 of the power density of normal solar power, at best. I.e. at best around 30-40 watt / sq. meter. If you consider that we don't have the technology to harness this, but we do have the technology to harness normal solar power, then I think the latter wins hands down. The only possible exception would be if neutrino power could be harvested over an extremely large area, extremely cheaply. In that case, it would also have the advantage of being available at night (most neutrinos go right through the Earth). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk It's no good telling people to stop doing whatever they do to earn a living...you have to show them a better way. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 24 17:36:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA26495; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:35:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:35:30 -0700 Message-ID: <397CDFB9.2FFB31B1@harti.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:30:49 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EIfsC2.0.gT6.I3EVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: A-field modulation anyone ? Has anybody other than the www.atgroup.org had done some work with the A-field gravity modulation like it is told here: http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm by Rick Andersen ? The atgroup claimed it did work with their test setup, although quite some huge current pulses were needed for the 2 toroids. Regards, Stefan. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 24 17:39:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28113; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:38:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: <397CE071.42A6DA01@harti.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:33:53 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BJwZ13.0.vs6.96EVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Tapping oscillating magnets... Hi Graham, I know probably know, how you can extract the energy from the magnets via bifilar coils. You probably have used the technics told by Rick Andersen at: http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/qbmenu.htm With his 4wave.exe animation and the scw.exe animation. There you can see, that SUBSTRACTING the 2 crossproducts yields a some kind of static DC potential, but with the same frequency as of the input signals. Now, how do you subtract something with 2 magnetic fields ? Right, via a bifilar coil. So, this is probably why also Sweet did get a 60 Hz output frequency when he fed in also 60 Hz. If you would add the waves, you would just get something different but not 60 Hz like... I also saw you corresponding with Rick Andersen, so it seems we can learn a lot from his pages and his animation programs. This would also make sense, that Sweet wrapped 3 coils around his magnet: 2 for the quadrature input sine and cosine waves and the 3rd a bifilar coil for the output !? Is this really this simple ? Are your domains vibrating with 60 Hz also or very much faster ? (Khz or Mhz range ??) Best regards, Stefan. --- In jlnlabs@egroups.com, "Graham Gunderson" infinitenergy@h... wrote: > Hi Jon, and everyone in the thread, > > I should add some things here. > > First the difficulty in finding the rare functional magnet has nothing to do really with the amount of barium present in the magnet - the Ba atoms are integral to the crystal structure and occur within the magnet material in stoichiometric amounts. That is, any two BaFe magnets of equal weight contain equal amounts of Ba. > > The major consideration in finding good magnets is just finding one without many physical crystal defects. These internal crystal defects cause physical domain walls - while we want the walls caused by quantum energy laws, which implies a homogenous medium. > > Other factors make working magnets even rarer... I checked, I am not to disclose these factors. But the information above is enough for a start, since these other factors are not variables one can specify when ordering magnets anyway. > > Second, the suggestion below is not the "critical part" of anything I use, though I'm not saying don't try it. It just has nothing to do with what I have built. > > Please - I am not here to drop tasty hints and see who can guess them! No hard feelings. But try it your own way if you'd like - and leave me to try mine. Your way may work better! > > Last, just because bifilar coils "aren't magnetic" doesn't mean we can do away with the magnet. Not, at least, so far as I am concerned. Go ahead and try it if you like - I'm not saying it won't work or anything - but it does not agree with the theories I use to cause effects. Remember the linking I have mentioned, between nuclear and magnetic domain resonance. That is a key thing. At least, if BaTiO3 can resonate like BaFe, I doubt bifilar coils would be a good energy pickup mechanism. More like "bifilar" capacitor plates... > > This is a *magnetic resonance* effect. But we have to get beyond the basic 3 dimensions, seeing further than that, even if pictures can be hard to find. Even resonance itself involves imaginary numbers, in the simple case of the LC circuit. 3D analysis will not explain device function, only in part because of the bifilars. This is why all the EE Ph.D's who saw Sweet's device - and signed sworn, notarized affidavits - were so damned confused. Each affidavit says, it works, I've tested it, the bulbs lit and I don't understand a thing about it -- it shouldn't work. These people were not trained beyond 3D analysis, college won't do that for you :) > > See, this is why I am here - to spread enough information so people can excercise the principle their own way without having to rediscover absolutely everything. I am trying to accelerate and diversify the evolution of this phenomenon. I am looking for advice, however harebrained it may feel to the author of it :) > > If there is a better way than what I am doing, someone else may discover it, and the world may be better off for that in the end. Evolution is all about variations on a theme. Don't let a thing I say dissuade you - I am only really stating my opinions here. Saying so all the time would get tiring. Try what you will! That's what invention's all about! > > Graham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MMCVetten@a... > To: jlnlabs@egroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [jlnlabs] oscillating magnets. > > > Hi All, > I've been researching and came up with some ideas. The key component of the > Sweet VTA is the barium contained within the BaFe magnets. The practical > problems arise from the difficulty in obtaining suitable magnets with enough > barium to effectively oscillate. Secondly, when oscillation is achieved it is > difficult to retain without decay. In this setup the magnet acts as a vessel > to contain and excite the barium crystal structure. Then 48 bifilar coils > corresponding to specific vertices (actually 8 groups of 6 vertices) of the > crystal structure can be employed to absorb the negative energy radiant from > the excited barium nuclei. I believe that this is one critical part of > Grahams work that he cannot disclose. However, what if we take a paradigm > shift for a moment. What if we do away with the magnet all together? We would > need to excite and contain the barium crystal by another means. Enter now, > Barium Titinate! Barium Titinate is a piezo crystal which can easily be > stressed by a moderate static charge (or perhaps an electret) and then use > the same bifilar coil structure to detect the negative or time reversed > energy. Since the piezo crystal contains a significantly higher percentage of > barium than would normally be found in a BaFe magnet, the resulting > efficiencies should be correspondingly higher. > > Respectfully, > Jon Vetten > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 24 17:58:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06395; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:57:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:57:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200007250057.UAA00349@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: A-field modulation anyone ? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:52:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"akmGb3.0.qZ1.7OEVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Has anybody other than the www.atgroup.org > had done some work with the A-field > gravity modulation like it is told here: Yes, I tried this. I never saw evidence of anomalous forces after I examined the experiment thoroughly. --Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 24 18:48:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA25317; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:47:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:47:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20000725014654.9034.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"r28he2.0.QB6.l6FVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Tesla and 90 degree phasing. I am quite surprised to find in the exploration of my present problem of transforming 360 hz signals to a higher voltage, that several reference books failed to answer my question brought on by Fred Epps excellant patent reference of Nov 99; http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04595843__ A transformer utilizing a rotating flux for saturating the entire core. The transformer uses a core configured such that a vector sum of the induction produced by two windings in the core rotates through 360°. This is accomplished by arranging the component induction vectors to be perpendicular and the source voltages associated with each of the component induction vectors to be 90° out of phase. If the inductions are of equal magnitude and the vector sum is sufficient to saturate the core, rotation of the vector sum saturates the entire core and the transformer experiences a very low or nearly negligible hysteresis losses. Various topological configurations for the core, including a toroid, are described. The transformer windings can be arranged for single, two-phase, three-phase, or multi-phase operation. Now my particular problem is that I already have procured the 90 degree phased signals by alternator design, but these are at 360 hz; and a ten fold voltage mutiplication is needed from the input 30 volts. 3 different 3 phase transformers were purchased of various sizes. But how should one adapt two phases to a transformer design that uses three? And additionally this patent seems to throw transformer design theory out the window, as where usually saturation of the core material is an undesirable effect: in this patent the actual graph shows most all the hysteresis effects dissapearing after the core reaches a saturation level. What this then seems to indicate is that there must be a narrow window of operation in this example, since at saturation any further amperage input does not produce a corresponding increase in magnetic flux density: and the load such a unique transformer would power should remain at one specific most efficient value, which in turn logically dictates that such a load would most efficiently by powered at a certain voltage level made by the number of secondary turns designated by making the primary draw enough amperage to saturate said core. So according to the above thinking I should use the smallest KVA rating for a 3 phase transformer to try and possibly see the effects described in this patent, on the transforming up of two source 90 degree phased signals from the alternator system. I would also then assume that running near the actual KVA rating of the transformer should also be sufficient to saturate the core, but I wonder then about the design factor of having too much amperage in such primary and secondary windings: in summo I wonder at all if a conventional 3 phase, triple mmf pathway transformer will work at all near designated saturation levels, without those inherently designed high amperage levels at saturation being a hindrance. I think I may inquire Westinghouse if they manufacture this item, since they held the patent. I think it would have to be designed with much higher gauge wire, open to comments. But the remarkable thing here since it would seem to be designated a low loss transformer at saturation, all of the added expense of laminating and insulating plates of silicone iron can be circumvented and a simple loop of soft iron can be used since the normal losses are not present. Now as I began to say concerning being at a loss concerning what to do, the third book I resorted to was The Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla, by TC Martin, which seems to have readily provided some answers. I expected maybe to find some info on 3 phase and delta and y conversions that are found in modern textbooks but I was quite surprised to find little of that in this volume. In fact a three phase diagram is sorely hard to be found and virtually all the diagrams are made with 2, 4 and 8 coil systems.The delta and y configurations of three phase become inherent in the fact explained in chapter 4; Modifications and Expansions of the Tesla Polyphase System; the operation of the system being brought about by the cooperation of the alternating currents in the independent circuits in progressively moving or shifting the poles or points of maximum magnetic effect of the motors or converters {transformers} In these systems two independent conductors are employed for each of the independent circuits. This however is not always necessary. The two or more circuits may have a single return path or wire in common, with a loss, if any, which is so extremely slight that it may be disregarded entirely. This then is the fourth neutral connection (green wire?) which is the common return path for all 3 phases. Tesla again describes the use of 90 degree generator input phasing in chapter 23; Tesla Polyphase Transformer where one coil reaches the maximum while the other reaches neutral, with a four coil drawing on a single toroidal ring. {It is the moving magnetic field principle easily understood in the AC 3 phase motor, but perhaps entirely misunderstood in the present day three phase transformer where all of the phases cannot be encompassed in a single loop of flux, which vectorially adds to zero in the 3 phase system. This does not occur in the 2 phase 90 system but instead acts to continually rotate the magnetic vector around the toroid from what I gather. Thus a lot of stuff from 1894 can answer todays questions, each of the two 90 degree signals should be inputed with the common return path negotiated through any delta or y arrangements: and each corresponding output will be the same with a shared return path, and each mmf should share the same toroidal loop. Can anyone disagree here?} Sincerely HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 25 00:06:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA15635; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:05:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:05:17 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.20000725000513.2137c078@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:05:13 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: [FG]: A-field modulation anyone ? In-Reply-To: <397CDFB9.2FFB31B1@harti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3KRDI3.0.0q3.imJVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan and all, At 02:30 AM 07/25/00 +0200, you wrote: >Has anybody other than the www.atgroup.org >had done some work with the A-field >gravity modulation like it is told here: > >http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm Yes, but I also could not get any unusual results. Maybe the atgroup saw only leakage field effects? Maybe _much_ stronger magnetic fields are required, such as for the Alcubierre drive, ~10^15 Tesla!? to get any magneto-gravity interactions? -Dave D. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 25 06:21:10 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA18559; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:20:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:20:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bff63b$57206f30$4f50fea9@FS11> From: "." To: References: <397CDFB9.2FFB31B1@harti.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:22:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Disposition-Notification-To: "." X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"x45IN1.0.qX4.YGPVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: A-field modulation anyone ? I can not say with 100% accuracy without looking back through the documentation submitted by the group, although it is my belief that "No One" in the group referred to or used a reference to anti-gravity or gravity field modulation. In document (AF-022000) the observation of the toroids (before, during and after) pulsing showed a column of super heated air. The platform design on which the coils were mounted did indeed increase or decrease the effect by limitation of air volume. If the coils were suspended so that air could freely move through the center, allowed for the greatest effect. Although vacuum chamber testing was not done, testing with lowered ambient air did indeed reduce the effect. As (AF-02200) concluded, "The effect appears to be a direct result of a column of heated air focused up through the toroids centers and aided by the contours of the coils shape." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Hartmann" To: "Free Energy" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: [FG]: A-field modulation anyone ? > Has anybody other than the www.atgroup.org > had done some work with the A-field > gravity modulation like it is told here: > > http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm > > by Rick Andersen ? > The atgroup claimed it did work with their > test setup, although quite some huge current pulses were > needed for the 2 toroids. > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 25 07:46:43 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19687; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:46:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bff647$4a3436b0$4f50fea9@FS11> From: "ATG" To: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:47:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"1GC3T1.0.Dp4.kWQVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Sorry! Sorry about having my "Return Receipt" set to on in my last post, also for the default name of "." This has been corrected and hope it did not inconvenience to much. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 25 08:05:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA30798; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:04:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:04:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20000725150339.19813.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block /AC electret version of Searl rollerof material ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"X7_kH.0.7X7.jnQVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Michael T Huffman wrote: > Stefan writes: > >Hi all, > >what do we get, if we mix Barium Ferrite with > Barium Titanat > >and create with this powder a new block of material > as > >1. a permanent magnet and > >2. an electret > >by just magnetising it (in a permanent magnet > magnetizer) > >and producing an electret via heating it (still > >below the Curie temperature and imprint a HV DC > static field), > >so that the E-field is 90 degrees perpendicular > oriented to the magnetic > >field > >in this "device". > > > >Will there be some kind of motion to be seen as the > "right hand rule" > >might predict ? >From what I have determined NO. The motion that does result from the E X B 3 dimensional vector action does so as the force on a MOVING charge known as the Lorentz force law which is INDIRECTLY caused by the acceleration on the charge induced by E, or the electric field. If the magnetic field B is perpendicular to E than it exerts the sideways deflection force on that charge movement at right angles to both E and B. But charge has to move in the first place: it should not apply to the static case, otherwise it would be easy to construct a perpetual motion thingy. > >Maybe if we put electrode plates onto the electret > part of this thing > >and > >short them out, will this fly like the gravity caps > nobody got to work ? > >In this thing there would be E x B ! > >What will this give ? > > > > They both sound like good ideas, and could be tried > cheaper with whatever > magnets you have around, and some acrylic for the > electret. You could smash > the magnets into a powder, carefully melt the > acrylic and mix in in, let the > magnetic powder get pole oriented, and then cool the > acrylic into whatever > shape you wanted. As long as the magnet material > you are using has a Curie > Temp higher than around 160 degrees Fahrenheit, it > should be OK. Then > impress the HV DC charge into the acrylic to make an > electret, and either > coat with silver paint or electoplate a silver > finish onto it to get the > electrodes. Hasnt anyone one heard of a magnetic room temperature water crystal? Make some cement and add strontium ferrite powder and a dash of amorphous silica for glasslike structure. Voila, magnetic cement. You now have a material that will freely allow both E and B fields. Weigh the products before and after curing; one will note a significant absorbtion of the the polar water molecules into the finished product, possibly giving a superior dielectric constant than the ceramic strontium ferrite as a magnetised material can give: I have not fully researched that end of things. But the samples I made seemed to have a dielectric constant of around 38, these were from a 1.5 sq in plates at 1.4 inch separation yeilding 10.5 pf. Now polar orientation of dipoles was not imposed by having the sample cure in a high voltage electric field, but this seems a new possibility for electret production. I wish to work on this in the future and to entertain the Searl aspect by imprinting with AC. This should be possible by poring the liquid mix on the inside and outside of an aluminum ring structure inside the crossection of a larger diameter copper pipe. A central conductive post insertion(possibly zinc) then serves to create a capacity between the inner and outer connections of this axial cylindrical capacitor. The important distintion here is that this cylinder be cured while that cylinder is in rotation from a syncronious Ac motor timed to the input freq. External AC magnetic fields encase this sample in cylindrical rotation,but in this scenario both magnetising and electric fields would be used in this inprint method, each of those fields can be obtained from constructing resonant circuits. But the major obstacle now being accomplished is that one must first have a 90 degree generation system to accomplish the generation of simultaneous E and B fields to imprint with this method. As one should be able to visualize, when both E and B reverse polarities, the reaction Lorentz force does not, it pulses in a dc unidirectional manner. Thus we have two input oscillations, and a unidirectional output expressed as the lorentz force which actually should cause rotation of the axial cement ferrite cylinder during imprint, or aid in that rotation effect being superimposed by the syncronious motor. In the ideal situation those cohered E and B fields could cause this rotation itself, and if one encompasses the idea as shells and cylinders in rotation this in a nutshell is my adaptation of Searls Idea. This is because if we have displacement currents in a capacity on either side of an aluminum ring, real currents must propagate across that cross section of that ring, in a 90 degree angle to the superimposed axial magnetic field. This causes the lorentz force to act to produce rotation of a cylinder in such a manner that does not change the quantity of L being resonated because of its axial rotation. This scheme applied to normal motor actions might involve the parametric problems involved with matching delta L to a corresponding C variation in time to match that of L , but in this instance that rotation is 90 degrees to the magnetic field, circumventing these theoretical problems. HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 25 16:39:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA06598; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:37:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:37:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:37:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200007252337.TAA11286@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block /AC electret version of Searl rollerof material ? Resent-Message-ID: <"1jAWP3.0.wc1.JJYVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Harvey writes: >Hasnt anyone one heard of a magnetic room temperature >water crystal? No Harvey, most of us are mere mortals, who barely made it through high school. That's why I like to hang out here. Thanks for the amazing post. As always, you made my day. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jul 25 21:31:24 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA16294; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:18:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block /AC electret version of Searl rollerof material ? Message-ID: <20000725.213022.-74051.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"WTPbe2.0.V-3.cbcVv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What kind of cement do you use for this ? > Harvey writes: > > >Hasnt anyone one heard of a magnetic room temperature > >water crystal?.............. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 26 03:25:44 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA16920; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:24:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:24:49 -0700 From: RoConroy@aol.com Message-ID: <71.5417c00.26b01649@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:24:09 EDT Subject: Re: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block /AC electret versi... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"MiaZX.0.C84.mnhVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 7/25/00 6:38:39 PM Central Daylight Time, Harvey writes: << >Hasnt anyone one heard of a magnetic room temperature >water crystal? >> The human brain, supposedly composed of 90% water, supposedly has the water residing in a crystalline type of form. The temperature being around 98.6 *F. Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 26 05:39:53 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA13054; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:39:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20000726123856.10287.qmail@web4406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Mixed permanent magnet and electret in one block /AC electret version of Searl rollerof material ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"unTZZ3.0.tB3.0mjVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- tv@juno.com wrote: > What kind of cement do you use for this ? > > > Harvey writes: > > > > >Hasnt anyone one heard of a magnetic room > temperature > > >water crystal?.............. > > Ordinary powdered version found at the hardware store, where all you add is the water. It is the lime in the mixture that undergoes a chemical reaction with the water, so the cement isnt really a room temp water crystal, as occurs in the brain and possibly the bodily water. But youre putting a polar molecule in and getting a high dielectric constant material out. Whether the ferrite is more responsible is unknown. I had access to powdered ferrite and many other materials during the 17 years I worked for a plastic/rubber processing Co. Years ago they mixed a Lime called Mississippi Lime that was very powerful, that discarded bags could not be placed outside in the open trash bin because when it rained the lime bags would catch fire, setting the whole trash container on fire. This lime was mixed with a thick molasses like oil called Hycar and presumably used as a cure in rubber mixing. Ordinary cement blocks seem to be conductive at higher frequency. A static tesla primary arc gap consisting of two electrodes laid across a wooden surface as supports will function normally if the wood is dry: but when these electrodes are placed on a cement block rather than the primary arc issing across the air gap it shoots straight into the concrete, showing that path to be much less resistance than the air gap at this normally very high 10,000+ volts used in a tesla primary... Amazingly many years later I learned that every tesla coil I had ever built was MISTUNED because of a mistake in Wheelers Induction formula, and a larger application of these mistuned coils when arcing to presumed same polarities occur with each rf ground widely separated can also procur some havok with power distribution; but I am sure that because of its quasi crystalline nature, concrete becomes more conductive as a current path than the higher resistance an air gap provides (at higher voltages and frequencies) HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 26 08:05:38 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA02483; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:05:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: <397ED315.90BAB0CD@harti.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:01:25 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , Free Energy , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , Newman-L Mailing List X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s4G4Q3.0.Xc.julVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: huge tesla transmitter power via ground ! Von: "Chris McFarlane" Rückantwort: chrismac@maxnet.co.nz Stefan perhaps you would forward your reply with my comments to the list. For some reason i've yet to determine, my posts aren't making it to the list anymore ? Thanks. Regards, Chris > > > > Hi Stefan, Cyril, All, > > > > (i've mostly been a longtime lurker on freenrg-l for some years, > > built a device for exploring proposed scalar waves - no go but will > > attempt another bifilar design soon, am aware of Beardon's work here, > > and am also playing with Gary motor designs at the moment, with very > > limited partial results though my materials could be better. Am a > > believer in the hydrogen car, Met T', and VTA; always a bit > > guarded;). > > > > Photos of Prof Meyl's work show it to be indepth and encouraging but > > I am left wondering if he has fully explored phenomena that is known > > in Tesla coiler forums. Perhaps his results might have another > > interpretation. (Not speaking german it's a little awkward to be > > sure). > > > > > He used an Aluminium solid metal suitcase and put the transmitter > > > in there, so the transmitting ball sphere was insulated inside > > > the alu suitcase. > > > The ground wire was connected to the alu suitcase and was going > > > about 10 meters away to the receiver LC circuits with the other > > > ball sphere at the top. > > > The output LEDs still lit but weaker than without the alu case > > > shielding. > > > Prof Meyl said, that Hertzīs waves could not go through the > > > shielding and that this was just scalar waves that went through it. > > > > Near field factors, and single wire or "ground current" power > > transmission are typical of Tesla coils, as documented by leading > > Tesla coil developers -- also see appended below. > > > > The significance of near field current and voltage can be further > > appreciated from engineer Terry Fritz's excellent tesla coil > > near-field current & voltage measurement antennas : > > > > http://users.better.org/tfritz/site/papers/planant/waveant3.html > > > > When evaluating a situation where power is actually transmitted, in > > contrast to proposed scalars which have been said 'not to carry > > power/energy', perhaps the following may be of interest. > > > > An exploratory perspective on L.W.'s, besides important near fields, > > and documented RF ground currents, is whether *power/energy carrying* > > transmissions might possibly additionally include circularly > > polarised electric fields, (as also described by Hooper, and Gibson). > > This was also recently mentioned on list with respect to left or > > right wound aerial coils, where they have to match for signal to be > > received. > > > > Circularly polarised electric fields are said by Hooper to pass > > through any shield, being quite difficult to stop; as is also said > > about the Meyl Faraday shield/Alu case. > > > > Prof Meyl's circuit sounds like it has RF ground currents, rather > > than primarily producing cp-fields. It may be useful to consider > > Hooper type cp-fields in the broader discussion of proposed > > L.W.'s/"scalars" and particularly with respect to their shielding; in > > addition to documented RF ground currents. > > > > http://geocities.com/Area51/9357/hooper01.html > > Hooper, W. J. (1974). New Horizons in Electric, Magnetic and > > Gravitational Field Theory, Electrodynamic Gravity, Inc. 1969 > > Frances G. Gibson, "THE ALL-ELECTRIC FIELD GENERATOR AND ITS > > POTENTIAL", Electrodynamic Gravity, Inc., 1983 > > > > US Patent #3,610,971. "All Electric Motional Electric Field > > Generator",Awarded to William Hooper, April 1969 > > > > US Patent # 3,656,013. "Apparatus for Generating Motional Electric > > Field",Awarded to William Hooper, April 1972 > > > > Take care, > > Chris > > > > Excerpts of documentation about Tesla coil RF ground currents : > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tesla coils can setup strong RF ground currents. These currents can > > induce RF into sympathetic resonant systems at distances upto a few > > hundred metres and more, depending on the RF ground current > > magnitude. Small hand held resonant circuits will receive RF ground > > current at surprising distances -- with no apparent connection, > > apparently sufficient to light a bulb. > > > > Pioneering t-coiler Richard Quick's archived messages : > > rqmsgs.txt.Z lines: 750-772 > > " > > The high voltage can be trapped in the system by adding > > discharger capacitance until the spark will not break out. Energy > > is constantly fed into the coil from the primary, and the only > > escape is through radiation or the ground wire. Radiation alone > > simply cannot remove the energy in the coil, so massive currents > > are forced into the ground. This forms the basis of Tesla's > > system for wireless power transmission. > > > > Experiments confirming his ideas can be performed with small > > coils. I took a single 6" Tesla secondary, no primary or tank > > circuit, just a coil and a discharger; and walked over a quarter > > mile, to a nearby creek. I grounded the coil by placing 10' of > > aluminum flashing in the creek water. Back in my basement, an > > assistant fired a Tesla coil that operated at the same frequency > > as my "free" coil in the creek. The system being fired was loaded > > with discharger, so spark could not break out. > > > > Down in the creek I was able to light bulbs from the top of the > > grounded coil, despite the 1/4 mile distance (and don't forget a > > creek bank and a rebar wall) between my location and the power > > supply. This coil was not receiving radiated signal, it was > > resonating on base fed ground current. > > " > > rqmsgs.txt.Z lines: 12902-12913 > > " > > A "free" (not inductively coupled to the transmitter > > system) resonator will pick up and resonate on ground current > > alone. No air terminal conductive channel is required for the > > system to deliver some considerable energy to the receiver > > through ground conduction alone. Enough voltage is present on the > > air terminal of the receiving coil to cause it to spark freely, > > light bulbs, etc.. I have gotten bulbs to light on a tuned > > receiving coil 1/4 mile away from a shielded transmitter. The > > input energy to the transmitter was only one killowatt, there was > > no raditaion: the "pickup" or receiving coil was connected to > > a 50' length of aluminum flashing sunk in creek bottom. There are > > some interesting properties to Tesla's open ended resonators. > > " > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > He said during the lecture, that for real high power > > > transfer it would be better to use MAGNETIC longitudinal waves, > > > so I wonder, if your A-field communications device working with 2 > > > toroids could be used this way ? > > > > > > I am still wondering and pondering, how Meyl would set this > > > up via magnetic scalar (longitudinal) waves ? > > > Do you have to replace the Alu balls with coiled toroids cores ? > > > And how do then have to be designed the LC resonance circuits ? > > > > > > I am a bit confused about this, maybe you can help ? > > > > > > Maybe with 2 coiled toroids cores placed like in Rick Andersonīs > > > page shortly behind each other and then pulsing each with a slight > > > time delay will let a magnetic vortex fly away like in the Schaeffer > > > smoke vortex barrel drum ? > > > So maybe an A-Field vortex will then be transmitted like a smoke > > > vortex flying through the space ? > > > > > > Any ideas ? > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > -- > > Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 26 08:05:39 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA02230; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:05:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: <397ECCEE.757ED571@harti.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:35:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cmlhp1.0.VY.VulVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Prof. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Meyl=B4s?= scalar broadcast setup ! --- In ou-builders@egroups.com, Dave Dameron wrote: > -Dave D. > > Stefan, don't know exactly what Prof. Meyl is doing yet. Hi Dave, Prof Meyl uses a sine wave generator with 2 Volts peak to peak output in the 4 to 8 Mhz range and feeds with that his LC circuit with a ball sphere at the top and the printed circuit L coil and then uses a ground wire to go to the receiver circuit, which is the same circuit in resonance with the transmitter LC circuit. His setup looks like this: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress/meyl32.jpg This is the circuit diagram: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress/meyl37.jpg This is the receiver circuit with 2 LEDs showing the output power: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress/meyl38.jpg And this is the transmitter with a frequency counter for adjustment: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress/meyl39.jpg Hope it gets more clearly now. Here are more pics: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress Regards, Stefan. -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! 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Olaf Berens? Datum: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:27:50 +0200 Von: Stefan Hartmann Firma: Hartmann Multimedia Service An: Earl LAGERGREN , info@geet.com Referenzen: <397BEB9F.4A1887BC@gmx.net> Hi Earl, Olaf Berensīs GEET is here: http://bitbo.prognost.com/GEET.htm The Technical University Berlin GEET is here: http://www.overunity.com/berlincongress/geet01.jpg A Movie about the TU-GEET is here: http://mars.spaceports.com/~over/movies/ As now are semester vacations, I donīt know, when they will continue to work on the TU -Geet device. Probably next semester and then they will probably also pusblish their findings on the web. Regards, Stefan. Earl LAGERGREN schrieb: > > Harti, > > How do I get more info about the GEET version of > > * Olaf Berens? > * TU Berlin > > Do they put photos and test results on the Web? > > Regards, Earl -- Best regards, Stefan Hartmann. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jul 26 23:25:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA10396; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:25:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:25:18 -0700 Message-ID: <397FD5BF.B89776F9@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:25:03 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg , vortex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UtGCy2.0.GY2.DNzVv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Time is changing? Title of news at http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,37691,00.html "Heat Is On for Free Energy LAS VEGAS -- The highest ranking U.S. federal government official responsible for renewable energy believes that renewable technologies have a brilliant future." Full article is located at http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jul2000/2000L-07-25-03.html Dan Reicher's Renewable Energy Forecast .. Reicher's long term vision is that people would pay no energy bill at all. "We have a vision that we could be looking at cost effective, zero net energy buildings in this country, that link renewable technologies - whether they're solar, ground source heat pumps or biomass based or geothermal - to high efficiency building technologies. We could essentially net out at the end of the year for people having no energy bill." "We're some distance away from that, but we think this is an important vision to strive for," he said. .. I wonder if he will be happy if somebody introduce him an inexpensive box delivering all his energy needs, anywhere. A different vision? hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 27 12:06:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA02257; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [209.254.40.22] From: "Memo Mc Cloude" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:03:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2000 19:03:31.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B0712C0:01BFF7FD] Resent-Message-ID: <"IjjjT1.0.1Z.3V8Wv"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: one wire electric circuit

<<Hi all,

First please check this site below, I am sure you heard about the concept that is possible to transmite or tranfer electrical power with a single wire. And this this is the URL below is all about.
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Here is my question for you, can we come up with an idea and device that we can take ordinary house power outlet lets say 120 or 240 AC life wire and convert it into a two polarities (+) and (-) with diodes and capacitors and power large motors or do other work with a single wire?


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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 27 13:46:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12225; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:46:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:46:12 -0700 From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: interact@keelynet.com, energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:48:21 -0300 Reply-to: ed.jaeger@bgcorp.com Message-ID: <398075E5.2439.155DDBF@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <"Gr_ca.0.n-2.K-9Wv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: From another list - NdFeB Magnets available From: Ed Jaeger Subject: NdFeB Magnets available For any DIY types, we have some magnets that could be useful: NdFeB 38 MGO 6.4 by 6.4 by 50 millimeters, magnetized through one of the 6.4 mm dimensions Nickel plated For a picture go to http://www.bgcorp.com/pics/neo.jpg We bought these for a development project but ended up using a different size, so we have 860 of these that we don't need. We have 4 boxes of 180 each and one box of 140. We're asking $5.00 each, or $4.00 each if you buy a full box. Contact Robin Ellis if you're interested. --- Ed Jaeger, CFO, Bohlender Graebener Corporation ed.jaeger@bgcorp.com http://www.bgcorp.com --- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 27 17:10:34 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05413; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:09:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:09:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3980CEB8.48EEAE3C@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 03:07:20 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex , freenrg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5F88CF98CCE4DBE38E9635DB" Resent-Message-ID: <"XPrTg3.0.4K1.BzCWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5F88CF98CCE4DBE38E9635DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, The attached table is taken from "Intelligence Community Overview For Japanese Visitors Public Security Investigation Agency" titled document at http://www.openpgp.net/censorship/psia/cia-ico.html from cryptome.org released secret CIA documents. I am pointing out that the Department Of Energy is a member of national security / intelligence groups the same as the army and the DOD. This may reflect the strategic role of the energy department on national security. (Below is my opinion on world order, changing moral values and free energy.) Unfortunately, world circumstances are forcing population to be controlled. Population is under control of nations, by governments. It may be a good thing that people would be governed in the proper sense of "government". Literally, the word "governing" i s not the same thing as "controlling". The difference between governing and controlling is the (degree of) freedom. But as governments choose to control population instead of governing, they use any tools, such as politics, religions, economics, education, communication, transport, resources, armed forces, secret forces and sometime directly by laws, for regulating peo ple restricting their freedom, restricting them on choosing the way they live. In the past, populations are mostly controlled by religions and armed forces directly, but now it is preferred to use more sophisticated tools which are apparently compatible with democracy. So that nothing is really changed for thousands of years. Still population is controlled but not governed (if not directly under command order). There may have been some truly self-governed societies in the past, maybe the American Indians, was one of them. Maybe there were many such unnamed societies on all continents, but all these societies are destroyed by the invaders or being destroyed now by those wh o want to take control of resources and populations. The Communication (which is used keep people under control) is on the verge of freedom by Internet revolution, and will be no longer used to control people effectively. Many tools used in the past to control population become incompatible with developing democracy and human rights or become obsolete with increasing knowledge, so controlling resources still is an efficient way of keeping control of the population. Air, water supplies, energy are resources. If governments are technically able to control the oxygen in the air, the sunlight, they will. In the movie "Total Recall" Mars population is controlled by the fresh air availability. So the industrial and consumer grade energy is one of the key tools for controlling population, economics and overall the world. Free energy will not be permitted and will be avoided by all costs to keep on going the "controlling" regime, unless a mistake made. The "free energy" in this context is the energy, which is not produced or controlled by governments. But if there will be a cheap or totally free way to produce energy practically, this not only ceases its status of controlled resources but may kill many other resource control schemes. Energy to be converted to food, to transport, to many goods, including precious metals, ma terials directly and even to intelligence or intellectual productions (The brain is one of the most energy consuming organs in humans and animals, and this is why animals choose to route (assign) their limited energy sources to improve physical abilities rather than mental abilities.) More than this, free energy does more than break the government controlling schemes and give humans unrestricted access to Earth and space resources. With our average conscience and auto control this would be disastrous for nature. I hate to use "environm ent" keyword (on nature conservation context) since it is anthropocentric and imply all of nature (resources) is for our use. I think that nature and natural resources are not made solely for humans despite that many religions imply as much. In my opinion in order to use cheap practical or totally free energy, our population must gain more conscience and gain more self-regulation capabilities and should be ready to be governed with full freedom rather than keeping it under control of regimes. Gaining access to free energy would be achieved in steps. Maybe the fist step is changing the economic system so that it is not based energy and other material resources but on intellectual resources, which are currently in transition for 5 or 10 years. The next step would be decentralization of the energy and finding cheap sources. This would improve the overall quality of life and increase the intellectual productivity. This would also permit people stop fighting for energy and other restricted resourc es. People need to learn to live without external regulations and gain conscience enough to not destroy the Earth in a while (by the power of the free energy). Currently, I am observing locally and globally that the level of conscience or moral of humans has receded in many ways by the influence of economic regimes and mainly by the influence of (commercial) companies, I believe. Companies have no morals and the ir reason for existence is mainly to make a profit. They have no obligation to the real world in which we live. Actually companies are organs of the economic system. Economic system integrated worldwide is currently one of the most powerful systems that govern the world. This is wrong because the economic system was not designed to integrated to nature and gets feedback from it. It is not possible model the world with all its aspects, values with financial arguments. So from engineering point of view the system is incomplete and unstable. What is happening here, is mapping the nature, the humanity into the economic system by stripping all their values but assigning a monetary value. Back to company element of the economic system, conflicts can be clearly seen. Company is critical node of isolation of financial values with human/nature values. A one-way firewall on purpose stops everything passing from real word to the company except financial ones. As a consequence, an employee of a company has to accept the policy of the company overriding his own belief and ethics. Profit and good morals are hardly compatible. So if a wood company buys a forest overseas and destroys it with all its inhabitants, there would nothing wrong here if the operation is financially feasible. If human morals are forced to fit into a company policy, something is very s eriously wrong here, and very hard to fix it. It is sad to see how populations comfortably adapting themselves to these conditions. Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, what a huge pressure! I am afraid our free energy dreams do not fit well to this world. Regards, hamdi ucar --------------5F88CF98CCE4DBE38E9635DB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="table.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="table.html" Intelligence Community Overview

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Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:23:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFF810.DD063540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yj-hK1.0.rS2.RCEWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFF810.DD063540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is = the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is = already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is = nothing more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a = wonderful place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial = arguments, what a huge pressure! Were you around BEFORE the internet was commercialized??? If so, do = you remember what it was like? I can tell you that if it was not for = the commercialization, the internet would be a mere shadow of what it is = today. Where do you think all the money comes from that builds the = pipes that this email travels through? Industrial Revolution??? = Information Age??? Would you rather us be back in the dark ages? = That's probably where we would be without commerce. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFF810.DD063540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually,=20 I can say replacing human values with commercial values is the = unnamed new=20 religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is already=20 commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing = more=20 than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful = place=20 for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, = what a=20 huge pressure! Were you around BEFORE the internet was=20 commercialized???  If so, do you remember what it was = like?  I can=20 tell you that if it was not for the commercialization, the internet = would be=20 a mere shadow of what it is today.  Where do you think all the = money=20 comes from that builds the pipes that this email travels = through? =20 Industrial Revolution???  Information Age???  Would you = rather us=20 be back in the dark ages?  That's probably where we would be = without=20 commerce. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFF810.DD063540-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jul 27 20:04:41 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11833; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:04:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:04:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3980F827.B3125F90@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:04:07 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order References: <001201bff832$6c686f20$0200a8c6@stealth> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UMF3G1.0.nu2.hWFWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > "R.U. Sirius" wrote: > > Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, what a huge pressure! > > Were you around BEFORE the internet was commercialized??? If so, do you remember what it was like? I can tell you that if it was not for the commercialization, the internet would be a mere shadow of what it is today. Where do you think all the m oney comes from that builds the pipes that this email travels through? Industrial Revolution??? Information Age??? Would you rather us be back in the dark ages? That's probably where we would be without commerce. My concern is that we are pushed think commercially. Everything on the internet is being designed so every activity on the internet we do, browsing, posting an reading, not related to commerce are tried to bind to a commercial activity. Ads are attached t o private mails, many posting on public forums are spams. We are forced to sell our privacy. Every program we buy or download is trojanized (named spyware) monitoring us and stealing information. Why we accept to own a free home page or free mail containing ads? By the same logic, we may accept puts ads on our car or on our dresses if a discount is offered. Would we do? Internet is a communication channel basically. I pay $80 each month to phone company (not to ISP) for the local phone to connect to the Internet. (In Europe still local phones are not free). And everybody pay a fee to their ISP. Isn't it enough to keep th e Internet on and neutral? I have my own company. I do business. I know it is possible to make business reasonably without being commercialized. I hope I did expressed by feeling. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 07:13:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA02369; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:12:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:12:52 -0700 Message-ID: <03bd01bff89d$f469edc0$4e8ba8cf@surfsouth.com> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: References: <001201bff832$6c686f20$0200a8c6@stealth> <3980F827.B3125F90@verisoft.com.tr> Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:13:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <"RuPqF1.0.wa.ZJPWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Why we accept to own a free home page or free mail containing ads? By the same logic, we may accept puts ads on our car or on our dresses if a discount is offered. Would we do? If someone offered me a substantial enough discount to put an ad on my car I would consider it. You want my to advertise your business? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 08:04:06 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA21434; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:03:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:03:41 -0700 From: Charlie Hodgson Reply-To: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com Organization: Society for Real Time To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "Bill Wallace`" Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:01:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <001201bff832$6c686f20$0200a8c6@stealth> <3980F827.B3125F90@verisoft.com.tr> <03bd01bff89d$f469edc0$4e8ba8cf@surfsouth.com> In-Reply-To: <03bd01bff89d$f469edc0$4e8ba8cf@surfsouth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0007281103030A.30459@cougar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id IAA21391 Resent-Message-ID: <"VMa172.0.pE5.C3QWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There is a test program in Atlanta where they are signing up people to place adds on thier cars. I understand that they will pay up to $300/month depending on where you normally drive. On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Bill Wallace` wrote: > > Why we accept to own a free home page or free mail containing ads? By the > same logic, we may accept puts ads on our car or on our dresses if a > discount is offered. Would we do? > > If someone offered me a substantial enough discount to put an ad on my car I > would consider it. > You want my to advertise your business? -- Who is Don Alphonso, and what's all this about tweezers? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 08:21:32 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA28104; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:21:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:21:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bff8a7$268c0280$47d666ce@default> From: "Chris O'Barr" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:18:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"elojF.0.ys6.RJQWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I think the internet would be quite boring without commercialization. One of my favorite things to do is bid for stuff on eBay. I admit some of it's irritating, but nothing is perfect. -----Original Message----- From: hamdi ucar To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order > > >> "R.U. Sirius" wrote: >> >> Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, what a huge pressure! >> >> Were you around BEFORE the internet was commercialized??? If so, do you remember what it was like? I can tell you that if it was not for the commercialization, the internet would be a mere shadow of what it is today. Where do you think all the money comes from that builds the pipes that this email travels through? Industrial Revolution??? Information Age??? Would you rather us be back in the dark ages? That's probably where we would be without commerce. > >My concern is that we are pushed think commercially. Everything on the internet is being designed so every activity on the internet we do, browsing, posting an reading, not related to commerce are tried to bind to a commercial activity. Ads are attached to private mails, many posting on public forums are spams. We are forced to sell our privacy. Every program we buy or download is trojanized (named spyware) >monitoring us and stealing information. > >Why we accept to own a free home page or free mail containing ads? By the same logic, we may accept puts ads on our car or on our dresses if a discount is offered. Would we do? > > >Internet is a communication channel basically. I pay $80 each month to phone company (not to ISP) for the local phone to connect to the Internet. (In Europe still local phones are not free). And everybody pay a fee to their ISP. Isn't it enough to keep the Internet on and neutral? > >I have my own company. I do business. I know it is possible to make business reasonably without being commercialized. I hope I did expressed by feeling. > >Regards, > >hamdi ucar > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 10:51:54 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA28439; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:51:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:51:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:50:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup X-Sender: w9sz@bluestem To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order In-Reply-To: <000d01bff8a7$268c0280$47d666ce@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HmAwQ2.0.6y6.8WSWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There are definite advantages to some of the commercialization. Just about every electronics parts manufacturer has a website complete with datasheets for their products free for the download. Before Internet, you'd have to call or mail a request for these data sheets, then often buy a book with much more data in it than you needed. Zack On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Chris O'Barr wrote: > I think the internet would be quite boring without commercialization. > One of my favorite things to do is bid for stuff on eBay. I admit some of > it's irritating, but nothing is perfect. > -----Original Message----- > From: hamdi ucar > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order > > > > > > > >> "R.U. Sirius" wrote: > >> > >> Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is > the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is > already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing > more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful > place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, > what a huge pressure! > >> > >> Were you around BEFORE the internet was commercialized??? If so, do > you remember what it was like? I can tell you that if it was not for the > commercialization, the internet would be a mere shadow of what it is today. > Where do you think all the money comes from that builds the pipes that this > email travels through? Industrial Revolution??? Information Age??? Would > you rather us be back in the dark ages? That's probably where we would be > without commerce. > > > >My concern is that we are pushed think commercially. Everything on the > internet is being designed so every activity on the internet we do, > browsing, posting an reading, not related to commerce are tried to bind to a > commercial activity. Ads are attached to private mails, many posting on > public forums are spams. We are forced to sell our privacy. Every program we > buy or download is trojanized (named spyware) > >monitoring us and stealing information. > > > >Why we accept to own a free home page or free mail containing ads? By the > same logic, we may accept puts ads on our car or on our dresses if a > discount is offered. Would we do? > > > > > >Internet is a communication channel basically. I pay $80 each month to > phone company (not to ISP) for the local phone to connect to the Internet. > (In Europe still local phones are not free). And everybody pay a fee to > their ISP. Isn't it enough to keep the Internet on and neutral? > > > >I have my own company. I do business. I know it is possible to make > business reasonably without being commercialized. I hope I did expressed by > feeling. > > > >Regards, > > > >hamdi ucar > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 14:26:28 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA17088; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:25:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:25:35 -0700 X-Originating-IP: 213.6.16.207 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Sender: "harti@harti.com" From: "harti@harti.com" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:27:37 -0400 To: "ou-builders@egroups.com" CC: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "newman-l@emachine.com" Reply-To: harti@harti.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200007281727386.SM00704@m2w024> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA17058 Resent-Message-ID: <"XEqa61.0.rA4.FfVWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: 12 Times rollaround SMOT Hi, I called them today and they did really get 12 times a rollaround, but with a different setup more like this: http://members.aol.com/overunity3/html/permotr.htm (pic at the top) but with 90 degrees rotated axis (horizonatlly). But after 12 times loop rotation it came to a still stand. Probably the Remanenz changed in the iron ball and thus it changes the ball attraction into the track or something like this... Maybe also the Barckhausenjumps inside the iron are the different, when the ball has more Remanenz Br. Regards, Stefan. --- In ou-builders@egroups.com, "Stefan Hartmann" wrote: > Hi All, > I have just received a letter claiming 2 physics > teacher from the Friedensschule in Muenster, Germany > have achieved 12 times a rollaround in their SMOT setup. > > I will try to call them and report back. > Regards, Stefan. ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 15:00:14 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA30536; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:59:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: <39820214.8A8A82B3@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:58:44 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w3D851.0.1T7.L9WWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I think that I wrote as "Internet is already commercialized" is misunderstood and need further clarification. "Commercialization" doesn't mean introduction of commercial companies on the internet and making e-business. But taste of the internet is changin g. We are no more visitors or users of the Internet but merely customers. For example pages of the dejanews.com who provide news group posting are converted to a marketing pages that you are tricked to see the products they of their sponsor. Next time you visit that the good independent scientific news site, find it was bought by an marketing company. Result is the reduction of the quality of the content and zillions of cookies and ads, you are fooled while looking for the news you interested. This is bec ause marketing company does not interest with the content but number of the visitors which is heritage of the old site. In the old days everybody wants put some good information and wish be useful to somebody. This was sharing of the information. This is gone now. Instead, the stupid "Hit The Monkey" animated ad came. This is a face of the commercialization of the internet . Zack Widup wrote: > > There are definite advantages to some of the commercialization. Just > about every electronics parts manufacturer has a website complete with > datasheets for their products free for the download. > > Before Internet, you'd have to call or mail a request for these data > sheets, then often buy a book with much more data in it than you needed. > > Zack > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Chris O'Barr wrote: > > > I think the internet would be quite boring without commercialization. > > One of my favorite things to do is bid for stuff on eBay. I admit some of > > it's irritating, but nothing is perfect. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hamdi ucar > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "R.U. Sirius" wrote: > > >> > > >> Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is > > the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is > > already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing > > more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful > > place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, > > what a huge pressure! > > >> > > >> Were you around BEFORE the internet was commercialized??? If so, do > > you remember what it was like? I can tell you that if it was not for the > > commercialization, the internet would be a mere shadow of what it is today. > > Where do you think all the money comes from that builds the pipes that this > > email travels through? Industrial Revolution??? Information Age??? Would > > you rather us be back in the dark ages? That's probably where we would be > > without commerce. > > > > > >My concern is that we are pushed think commercially. Everything on the > > internet is being designed so every activity on the internet we do, > > browsing, posting an reading, not related to commerce are tried to bind to a > > commercial activity. Ads are attached to private mails, many posting on > > public forums are spams. We are forced to sell our privacy. Every program we > > buy or download is trojanized (named spyware) > > >monitoring us and stealing information. > > > [snip] Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 15:29:27 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12484; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:28:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: <398208FB.8D1776F6@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:28:11 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: Re: [FG]: 12 Times rollaround SMOT References: <200007281727386.SM00704@m2w024> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rBTra3.0.v23.gaWWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Indeed very good news. From my past experience, steel balls become significantly magnetized progressively and I need to lower the climb to achieve roll away. Greg used very weak magnets and if he succeeded this may the reason. I hope is not a good initial kick is the success of the 12 rollarouds. :) "harti@harti.com" wrote: > > Hi, > I called them today and they did really get 12 times > a rollaround, but with a different setup more like this: > > http://members.aol.com/overunity3/html/permotr.htm > (pic at the top) > > but with 90 degrees rotated axis (horizonatlly). > But after 12 times loop rotation it came to a still stand. > > Probably the Remanenz changed in the iron ball and > thus it changes the ball attraction into the track > or something like this... > Maybe also the Barckhausenjumps inside the iron are the different, > when the ball has more Remanenz Br. > > Regards, Stefan. > > --- In ou-builders@egroups.com, "Stefan Hartmann" wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have just received a letter claiming 2 physics > > teacher from the Friedensschule in Muenster, Germany > > have achieved 12 times a rollaround in their SMOT setup. > > > > I will try to call them and report back. > > Regards, Stefan. > Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jul 28 16:13:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA28762; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:13:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:13:20 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <18.2de016.26b36d67@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:12:39 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_18.2de016.26b36d67_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Resent-Message-ID: <"11pev1.0.F17.FEXWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Update on LaFonte Research Group device --part1_18.2de016.26b36d67_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is the equal property of the members of the LaFonte Research Group Hello all, The operation principle of the device is simple but it needs to be explained in the proper fashion or it will seem complicated. I hope this way will do it. Please reference drawing when reading this. 1. Fact - When an air core coil is switched on and a magnetic field builds around it, if that field ATTRACTS a permanent magnet, then a counter electromotive force (cemf) will be induced into the coil and this force will attempt to resist the current flow in the coil. This is a long established fact and fundamental of motor operation. 2. Fact - When an air core coil is switched on and a magnetic field builds around it, if that field interacts in a REPULSION mode with a permanent magnet that is being forced toward it, then a counter electromotive force (cemf) will be induced into the coil and this force will attempt to AID the current flow in the coil. This is a long established fact. 3. Fact - When an air core coil is switched on and a magnetic field builds around it, if that field ATTRACTS a permanent magnet, but the permanent magnet is being pulled away by a secondary force, then a counter electromotive force (cemf) will be induced into the coil and this force will attempt to INCREASE the current flow in the coil. This is a long established fact. 4. Fact - When an air core coil is switched on and a magnetic field builds around it, if that field REPELS a permanent magnet, then a counter electromotive force (cemf) will be induced into the coil and this force will attempt to DECREASE the current flow in the coil. This is a long established fact. 5. Fact - If the ATTRACTION and REPULSION forces are connected on a common rotor, then the forces will cancel each other out and the rotor will have a neutral torque factor. It could be turned by hand and you would not feel resistance or a turning force. I have proved this in tests and put it on the web in video form. 6. Fact - If the coils are wired in parallel, then the voltage/current of the circuit will not be changed as the rotor rotates because the (cemf) forces are equal but opposite. NO WORK can be done buy the rotor during this period, but the purpose of the rotor is NOT TO DO WORK during this period! 7. HERE IS THE " TRICK " TO THIS MOTOR'S OVERUNITY OPERATION. Step 1. The rotor is attracted to the ferrite disk in the attraction air coil. Work can be done here. The air coils have NO voltage/current at this time. The circuit is open. Step 2. The rotor magnet must now be rotated away from the attraction force between it and the ferrite disk without DOING ANY WORK! This CAN BE DONE. The air coils circuit is now closed and the rotor is able to rotate away because the forces are equal but opposite on the rotor as stated above. Step 3. The pulse that is sent to the coils to do this is of a duration of 1 time constant. There are 5 time constants of EQUAL duration that make up the complete time constant of an induction coil. The first one gives the coil 62.3% of it's induction value. During these time constants current is flowing thru the circuit and energy is depleted at the power source. If the pulse is shut off at the end of the first time constant, you get the most magnetic field for the current moved. The second time constant supplies 62.3% of the remaining 36.8% for at total of 86.4% and so forth till all five constants make up 100% of the coils total induction. The last four time constants do not give as much induction for the current used. Step 4. The rotor must rotate at a speed fast enough so that it has moved away from the ferrite disk by the time the first time constant is complete. Then the magnetic fields are collapsed by breaking the circuit open and this voltage/current produced buy this collapse is stored in a capacitor to be used for the next pulse. Step 5. THE DESIGN CHALLENGE - The attraction air coil has the small ferrite disk in it and the circuit must be designed so the increased inductance due to it's presence will be adjusted for and keep the two coils equal and linear so the equal but opposite forces will keep the rotor torque neutral and not performing work. In summary, the overunity comes from the magnet in the rotor being attracted to the ferrite disk, but it is removed buy the equal but opposite forces on the rotor and the energy to do this is recycled back to the system by capacitor. The voltage source never knows the rotor is turning as forces are equal but opposite. 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"newman-l@emachine.com" Reply-To: harti@harti.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200007290939337.SM00208@qonos.softcomca.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id GAA28972 Resent-Message-ID: <"4t73B.0.s47._wjWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Grueter Blasius Gravity converter works ??! Hi all, I spoke yeasterday and today with 2 physiscs teacher, who had built the 12 times circlearound SMOTs and they also told me, that they had built a model of the Grueter-Blasius gravity converter and that they achieved 2 x 180 degres revolutions, more than 360 degrees rotation in all, so that it was proven with their device, that the center of gravity mass was pushed above the axis and thus it could cycle on and rotate. Unfortunately after 2 revolutions the lines to hold the masses broke apart and the whole unit crashed. Now they will try to rebuild their unit. They had a 3:1 gear ratio in their unit, so that was a different part to Grueter-Blasiusīs device, who had a 4:1 ratio. Have a look again at: http://www.overunity.com/gb/ Maybe the calculation of Dieter Bauer is wrong and we came to the wrong conclusion ? Regards, Stefan. ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 09:16:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA01405; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:16:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:16:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bff975$f20ea880$97769192@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:59:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0ku4.0.sL.LDmWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I understand what you meant. I do agree with some of it, however, just like your example of dejanews, or any "information providing" page. Do you pay for these services? Nope... So what would be the motive for providing all these free services / information if not for money? About the only way to make money if the information is to be provided for free is to take the route of broadcasting. Provide programming / information for free, and make money by selling ads that are mixed in with the info. This can certainly be annoying at times, but certainly far less annoying than not being able to find the information at all because nobody will offer it for free. Not to mention the fact that before a lot of commercialization, a lot of the pipes on the backbone were 56k, 9600, or even 1200 bps... I guess my whole point is that I would rather contend with the ads and find what I want, rather than having no ads and never being able to find anything, or having it so slow that it would be quicker than driving to the library... ;) Like it or not money drives our world. No way around that except to move to utopia... -----Original Message----- From: hamdi ucar To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order >Hi, > >I think that I wrote as "Internet is already commercialized" is misunderstood and need further clarification. "Commercialization" doesn't mean introduction of commercial companies on the internet and making e-business. But taste of the internet is changing. We are no more visitors or users of the Internet but merely customers. For example pages of the dejanews.com who provide news group posting are converted to a marketing pages that you are tricked to see the products they of their sponsor. Next time you visit that the good independent scientific news site, find it was bought by an marketing company. Result is the reduction of the quality of the content and zillions of cookies and ads, you are fooled while looking for the news you interested. This is because marketing company does not interest with the content but number of the visitors which is heritage of the old site. > >In the old days everybody wants put some good information and wish be useful to somebody. This was sharing of the information. This is gone now. Instead, the stupid "Hit The Monkey" animated ad came. This is a face of the commercialization of the internet. > > >Zack Widup wrote: >> >> There are definite advantages to some of the commercialization. Just >> about every electronics parts manufacturer has a website complete with >> datasheets for their products free for the download. >> >> Before Internet, you'd have to call or mail a request for these data >> sheets, then often buy a book with much more data in it than you needed. >> >> Zack >> >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Chris O'Barr wrote: >> >> > I think the internet would be quite boring without commercialization. >> > One of my favorite things to do is bid for stuff on eBay. I admit some of >> > it's irritating, but nothing is perfect. >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: hamdi ucar >> > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> > Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> "R.U. Sirius" wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Actually, I can say replacing human values with commercial values is >> > the unnamed new religion widely accepted worldwide. See, the Internet is >> > already commercialized, the majority of people think the Internet is nothing >> > more than a market place or a place to earn some money. Such a wonderful >> > place for freedom is getting ruled (and ruined) by commercial arguments, >> > what a huge pressure! >> > >> >> > >> Were you around BEFORE the internet was commercialized??? If so, do >> > you remember what it was like? I can tell you that if it was not for the >> > commercialization, the internet would be a mere shadow of what it is today. >> > Where do you think all the money comes from that builds the pipes that this >> > email travels through? Industrial Revolution??? Information Age??? Would >> > you rather us be back in the dark ages? That's probably where we would be >> > without commerce. >> > > >> > >My concern is that we are pushed think commercially. Everything on the >> > internet is being designed so every activity on the internet we do, >> > browsing, posting an reading, not related to commerce are tried to bind to a >> > commercial activity. Ads are attached to private mails, many posting on >> > public forums are spams. We are forced to sell our privacy. Every program we >> > buy or download is trojanized (named spyware) >> > >monitoring us and stealing information. >> > > >[snip] > > >Regards, > >hamdi ucar > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 09:20:02 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA02880; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:19:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bff976$64163f60$97769192@stealth> From: "R.U. Sirius" To: Subject: Re: [FG]: 12 Times rollaround SMOT Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:02:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FAEqH3.0.vi.MGmWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What if the magnets were arranged with "sections" that were 90 degrees off? Just like passing a screwdriver over a magnet one way will magnetize it, passing it 90 degree off will demagnetize it. So on flat sections make the ball pass through a field 90 degrees off to lose any magnetization that was picked up going up ramps... Just a thought... -----Original Message----- From: hamdi ucar To: freenrg Date: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [FG]: 12 Times rollaround SMOT >Hi, > >Indeed very good news. > >From my past experience, steel balls become significantly magnetized progressively and I need to lower the climb to achieve roll away. Greg used very weak magnets and if he succeeded this may the reason. > >I hope is not a good initial kick is the success of the 12 rollarouds. :) > > > > >"harti@harti.com" wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I called them today and they did really get 12 times >> a rollaround, but with a different setup more like this: >> >> http://members.aol.com/overunity3/html/permotr.htm >> (pic at the top) >> >> but with 90 degrees rotated axis (horizonatlly). >> But after 12 times loop rotation it came to a still stand. >> >> Probably the Remanenz changed in the iron ball and >> thus it changes the ball attraction into the track >> or something like this... >> Maybe also the Barckhausenjumps inside the iron are the different, >> when the ball has more Remanenz Br. >> >> Regards, Stefan. >> >> --- In ou-builders@egroups.com, "Stefan Hartmann" wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > I have just received a letter claiming 2 physics >> > teacher from the Friedensschule in Muenster, Germany >> > have achieved 12 times a rollaround in their SMOT setup. >> > >> > I will try to call them and report back. >> > Regards, Stefan. >> > >Regards, > >hamdi ucar > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 10:50:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00761; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:50:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFF9CA.204B9EC0@l0.washdc3-cmb.bbnplanet.net> From: Peter Hu To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: "'med_cafe@yahoo.com'" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:01:09 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA00739 Resent-Message-ID: <"pqo8S3.0.kB.UbnWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Free Energy ane World Order with Internet Internet provides the most efficient Energy to run world order. World order should be coming up with Internet Humanity Summit Civilization Programming: MacroSoft/LifeSoft Global Commercialization.. Facts: UN/WHO vs. MacroScape/LifeSoft 1)Global governmental coordination of peace 2)World largest organization, meeting, conference and discussion oriented peace making, not day to day 3)Financially dependants on every nation, still do not have a very effective measure for world peace making 4)21st century WHO's mission: DIY healthcare and longevity 5)World peace and wellness affective 6)Humanity continuous development oriented forever, but lack of software MacroScape/LifeSoft: 1)Internet individual life science educational peace making effectiveness 2)Global commercialized humanity wellness enterprise with small investment, no pollution, no violation and no political and religious bias 3)Financially self-supported proceeding functioning service for every basic peace making people and humanity summit civilization programming, 4)DIY unbroken whole longevity and health life science and software 5)Day to day Lead every people to love life & become more creativity about universe and peace from unbroken whole individuals to unbroken whole world and universe 6)Oriented Humanity continuous development forever and summit civilization programming ***More detailed business plan and feasibility analysis presentation report available for investment evaluation ############################################### Human beings are pugnacity high intelligence, but still with features of evolution and look at the limited sky from the bottom of a well and could not escape from the intelligent and life limits. We have no choice God only create an empty memory hardware human being. We should starting pursue foods and knowledge immediately after the birth. When the foods can be satisfied more or less, people are pursuing more about mental needs. The life limits of our scientists will finally and spiritually rely on the divinity of religious. It is the relief of life bitterness. It is the outcome of scientific tragedy. We see this world of earth, neighboring conflict, nations conflict and up-lower class conflicts exist everywhere. These three major conflicts are the major obstacle of social and science development. Back to see the Table of Chemical Elements and we know the position of our life substance, to see the Star Map we know the possible survival space of our life, and to see the Time Table of Our Human Mankind and know how long we can possibly have. Our human wisdom have already accessed 15 billion light years, quantum physics might be possible exceed this limit more. To see what our 6 billion people on earth doing. Though we all have the same intelligent brain like god, about 99% could only strive f or their own tomorrow in the evolution and commercial world, and only about 1% striving for the tomorrow of human mankind. Bible, Koran and Buddha Scripture are the human civilization property. It was our intelligent ancestors found ways to teach and persuade our people to follow the wellness. It may not always fit modern civilization, especially the quantum physical time, ma ny mythology can be verified. Modern society, we should have more popular and civilizing life wellness Internet software let every people can follow, like Microsoft let every computer to follow, people should have something like LifeSoft to recover our 15% missing or dormant brain of evolution world. Thanks God created our humanity creatures with only 5% more advanced civilizable cerebra cortex which could inhibit our 95% barbarism natural characteristic of animal evolutionism. This 5% means the mighty humanity and could become eternal in the universe . But this 5% of cerebra cortex sometimes is also very easily misadvised or lead to hypnosis condition of human beings. We should let our 5% advanced civilizable cerebra cortex get developed into 10% or even more. According to the natural evolutionism, for sure it will be, but will takes something other million of years possible. It is universal summit civilization scintil la. We should let this humanity species march into universe forever and become the real god in the cosmos. The big population under human rights without humanity summit civilization programming will tend to partial evolution of human's cerebra cortex. The n the big population will always become the burden of the world economy and summit civilization of humanity. What we should do now is to commercialize summit humanity civilization programming. Find Humanity summit civilization way out- LifeSoft/MacroSoft ĄĪ 1998 WHO's 21st Century Mission: targeting to boost healthy life-style and reform health-harmful life mode & change behavior and determinant facts for health-care ĄĪ WHO Health & Longevity Advisable Factors: 1. -To be your own health master, goodliness life style and science, DIY Healthcare 60%, LifeSoft/MacroSoft and oriented 2. -Heredity factor takes 15% 3. -Social Factor 10% 4. -Medical Condition 8% 5. -Climate factor 7% Peter Hu, Dr. and Researcher of Life Science Med_cafĻĶ@yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 13:28:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12629; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:27:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:27:53 -0700 X-Originating-IP: 213.6.10.154 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Sender: "harti@harti.com" From: "harti@harti.com" Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:27:08 -0400 To: "jlnlabs@egroups.com" CC: "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "newman-l@emachine.com" Reply-To: harti@harti.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200007291627229.SM00299@m2w016.mail2web.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA12598 Resent-Message-ID: <"YE6--1.0.453.9vpWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Analysis of Meyl=B4s "scalar" wave setup?= Here are some german PDF files, which also analyse the recent Prof. Meyl demonstration of a scalar wave setup and comes to a different conclusion. English version upcoming. http://www.aw-verlag.ch/EssaysD.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 13:38:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA16717; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:38:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:38:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:39:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200007292039.WAA18830@gunnison.RZ-Berlin.MPG.DE> X-Sender: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: harti@harti.com, "jlnlabs@egroups.com" From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Subject: Re: [FG]: Grueter Blasius Gravity converter works ??! Cc: "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "newman-l@emachine.com" Resent-Message-ID: <"__F9x3.0.554.C3qWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan ! If after 1 revolution the thing breaks down, it is not very significant. It is very probably that it was in the irreversible change of state during this first revolution. I would like to be disproved ! Sincerely Dieter Bauer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 13:47:48 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA18809; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:47:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:47:19 -0700 X-Originating-IP: 213.6.10.154 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Sender: "harti@harti.com" From: "harti@harti.com" Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:46:35 -0400 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "harti@harti.com" , "jlnlabs@egroups.com" , "ou-builders@egroups.com" , "newman-l@emachine.com" Reply-To: harti@harti.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200007291646637.SM00299@m2w016.mail2web.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA18783 Resent-Message-ID: <"b7JCO1.0.kb4.NBqWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Re: Re: [FG]: Grueter Blasius Gravity converter works ??! No, it was after 2 revolutions, so a real 360 degrees rotation, not just ONE TIME going down, but more than 2 complete cycles. There were also some party guests who had seen it, cause it was demonstrated at a birthday party of one of the physiscs teachers. Original Message: ----------------- From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:39:53 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: [FG]: Grueter Blasius Gravity converter works ??! Hi Stefan ! If after 1 revolution the thing breaks down, it is not very significant. It is very probably that it was in the irreversible change of state during this first revolution. I would like to be disproved ! Sincerely Dieter Bauer ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 14:48:46 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04557; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:48:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:48:01 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:47:43 0000 From: "James Owen Batchelor" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: finalheaven@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 213.40.3.67 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pfsGZ.0.271.H4rWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Snake Oil? > >Sorry, folks, if I am being utterly contrarian on this. I offer not >fact >here, but my opinion as an experimenter and day-job scientist. And my >opinion is that the Searl Discs are pure mythos. > There were plenty of other great anti- gravity minds over the years. >Honest scientists who dared and tried to publish. Better to follow in >their >footsteps, and like Newton's famous statement, stand on their >shoulders; TT >Brown, Hooper, Dudley, Wallace, Wagner, Woodward. Even Gianni Dotto and >his >Ring device had more witnesses and experimental basis than Mr. Searl >(who by >the way is NOT a doctor, or professor) He IS a professor (of Mathematical structures of Creation and Energy, of Oxford University, honorarily granted, and verified by me.) I have held a Gyro cell and have seen free enrgy off one of his devices, though not with a full roller set. I'll happily answer any questions on this subject that I can. James O. Batchelor Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 17:00:58 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03801; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20000729235950.10736.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0vsqs2.0.7x.O0tWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: 4 coil magnetic motor jpeg/ test sending When I tried to send individual pics or jpeg files over the internet by simply typing in the URL found at the teslafy index this did not work with MSN webpages: so I am trying angelfire. http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/brs/Dzl91F4.jpg shows a blur of a magnet in rotation from these 4 air core coils of 20,000 winds of 23 gauge wire. The bottom lateral coil is mostly obscured, large wooden dowels through the axis hold these 80 lb field coils in a hoizontal position. The four field coils are arranged in magnetic opposition at their poles, resulting in superior field action on the magnet. Amazingly the strongest torque is when the magnet is vertical! The florescent bulb in the foreground is lit by field effects alone, being next to other bulbs arranged to quench the induction arc at the commutator (not shown, this can be another jpeg) 1000 volts in inputed to 4 coils in series @ 4000 ohms. Ac signal is rectified for DC use. A 60 degree advance in timing was required for fastest no load rotation. Process consumed about 70 watts. I am working on shortening the mpeg file to below 5 mb so a mpeg of the magnet in rotation can be submited to the angelfire site. It was tapping on the unused bulb that seemed to increase the rotation, that doesnt make much sense but thats what happened. Let me know off list if this jpeg is not accessible. Sincerely HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 17:29:26 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12075; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:28:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:28:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20000730002822.13611.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: jpeg/ test sending/no go To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"17TuY.0.Xy2.8RtWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dont ask me what the problem is, I followed angelfires instructions, so I guess it works for others but not for me. Does anyone know the proper procedure for placing a jpeg on the internet that can be accessed by others simply by clicking the URL? There sure seems to be a lot of problems here as I cannot access this URL I just submitted to freenrg. Computers just drive me nuts! HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 18:28:19 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA22983; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:27:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:27:57 -0700 Message-ID: <39838489.4BD3602B@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:27:37 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: jpeg/ test sending/no go References: <20000730002822.13611.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9U2eh2.0.wc5.TIuWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Cause of problems: 1a) generally URL are case sensitive depending to the server. If you named file as .JPG it may not be accessed as .jpg 1b) Server may automatically change file names upper case to lower. So you make care of it. 2) Sometimes servers place automatically images on different directory than html files, This can be "img" or "images" directory. So the URl become ...brs/images/motor.jpeg 3) Normally servers does not allow file listing of a directory. So pages could not be browsed. One should write on address line the exact URL of the image to get it. To overcome this inconvenience you may put the image in a html page. But sometimes (most of times) html editors does strange things, while page works on your computer, dont work on the server. If you encountered such a problem you may manually prepare the page. To overcome some these inconveniences you may choose more professional method to upload files.This is using FTP. But most of personal homepage providers does not support FTP. I had luck to find some. One is www.webhostme.com. Unfortunately it rarely acce pt new accounts. but you may use my account if you want. So if you could not solve the problem write me. I will do. Regards, hamdi ucar harvey norris wrote: > > Dont ask me what the problem is, I followed angelfires > instructions, so I guess it works for others but not > for me. Does anyone know the proper procedure for > placing a jpeg on the internet that can be accessed by > others simply by clicking the URL? There sure seems to > be a lot of problems here as I cannot access this URL > I just submitted to freenrg. Computers just drive me > nuts! HDN > > ===== > Binary Resonant System http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > __________________________________________________ - It's a feature, not a bug! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 20:11:31 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA08738; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:10:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:10:57 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <36.952d5f4.26b4f697@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:10:15 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_36.952d5f4.26b4f697_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Resent-Message-ID: <"rl0p2.0.L82.1pvWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Design made super simple --part1_36.952d5f4.26b4f697_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See attachment for redesign of device posted yesterday. It is the LaFonte Research Group project. It operates on same principle as the operation description posted yesterday. Only one coil now. Being built by members now. 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Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [FG]: jpeg/ test sending/no go Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:47:44 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@midiowa.net Message-ID: <3985b26d.82920172@mail.midiowa.net> References: <20000730002822.13611.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000730002822.13611.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id VAA26786 Resent-Message-ID: <"jbZWC2.0.iY6.HDxWv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT), harvey norris wrote: >Dont ask me what the problem is, I followed angelfires >instructions, so I guess it works for others but not >for me. Does anyone know the proper procedure for >placing a jpeg on the internet that can be accessed by >others simply by clicking the URL? There sure seems to >be a lot of problems here as I cannot access this URL >I just submitted to freenrg. Computers just drive me >nuts! HDN The URL worked fine for me. (I'm using Agent newsreader through a small, local ISP.) -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 09:16:56 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA22462; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:16:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:16:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000730161547.5834.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7ImNT.0.pU5.IJ5Xv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: TEC Web Page Update Scope Forms of Electrolysisor with MWO Electric Field Plates Attached Must be getting forgetful in my old age, this page was put up some time ago, just added some finishing comments. Some people have wondered why I call my efforts the Tesla Electric Co. I always thought a picture was worth a lot of words, but that isnt always good enough. But its good enough for Uncle Sam to try monetary extortion so it is a real thing. The next web page will hopefully be finished showing the actual electrical generation system this first week of August. This is the thing I have been ranting about for several years, what goes on in the mind eventually gets placed into reality. What makes me wonder is how people cannot see the light. Sometimes you have to MAKE them see the light. So I am submitting this next letter to freenrg as a refresher course, from an extracted letter outwards. HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 09:34:35 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27687; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:34:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20000730163336.19780.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CbWJy1.0.Nm6.1a5Xv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Refresher Course --- Dan LaRochelle wrote: > Hi Harvey! > > > --- harvey norris wrote: > > > > Are you familiar with Perrigo device? > > Yes i think it was a space energy reciever: bruce > > Perreault submitted this to freenrg list: sort of > a > > rare patent. > > That's the one! > > I remember reading that Mr. Perrigo could either get > AC or DC current out of his device with just a > simple > change in one hookup wire. This sounds like what is > happening in your idea of "The harnessing of > electrical resonance". > > > What are your thoughts on something like the > following: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > The following list related to spin and only applies > when the spin vector is in the polar axis. > > *Spin the vacuum Ether and you create a Mass field. > > *Spin a Diamagnetic mass such as Air, Water or > Copper > and you create an Electrostatic field. > > *Spin a Paramagnetic mass such as Iron or Liquid Air > and you create a Magnetic field. > > *Spin a Magnet you create a Polarized Electric > field. > > *Spin a Polarized Electric field you create Plasma. > > *Spin Plasma and you create a Non-Inertial field. > > > Let us summarize some of these important properties > of > the Ether. > > > Spin Ether is mass Electron, Proton, Meson, Hatdron > Mass has 4 different ways of being Plasma, Gas, > Liquid, Solid > The Ether has 4 different manifestations Electric, > Magnetic, Life, Gravity > Each of these manifestations have bi-polarity E+ E-, > North South, Life Death, Gravity Radiation > > Each addition of spin will create the next > precipitation of the Ether. > The Ether has different forms according to its > stress > limits. > The Ether could be said to have a Phase transition > to > differing states. > Each state must have a Quantum harmonic unit Scale. > ------------------------------------------------------- > The above is taken from this URL: > http://www.users.bigpond.com/artoworld/new.html Hi Dan ,thanx for this URL. I beleive that spin is important but dont know how to equate that idea with the above. What I am trying to do is create a spin within a spin at right angles in water molecules. Now it is theorized that when linear momentum is converted into rotational, less of the linear momentum then exists because of this conversion factor. Because of this less random collisions per unit time period should occur molecularly translating macroscopically as an observation of heat loss on the sample. To accomplish this simultaneously changing or in phase electric and magnetic fields at right angles will be tried. Now the magnetic field does not ordinarily affect water to a great degree. However the electric field does. It can align these polarized molecules, and also spin them with the changes of polarity. However that spin would have 360 degrees of freedom on that axis of spin. Now this spin also produces an illusion known as displacement currents on a dielectric substance. This is the illusion of charge movement produced by the spin of those dielectric molecules. Now because a magnetic field exists at right angles to these 360 degree displacement current spins, it should act to exert a ninety degree force on that charge movement by what is referred as the Lorentz force. Whether this actually applies is not yet proven. But if it does apply that would mean that the magnetic field itself will exert a force to cohere the spins in a direction it favors. Or it may simply add the component of spin at right angles. Thus if it sees a counterclockwise spin it may exert a right angle force to attempt to make it look clockwise with the net result that the 360 degrees of spin freedom introduced by the AC electric field then becomes cohered all in two dimensions of spin. Now any time we push a gyroscope at right angles it does a thing called precession. It again moves at right angles to the imposed force. From the way I look at things this is the exact analogy of what the Lorentz force does on a charge movement level, only in that case the charge movement is taken as the illusion produced by displacement currents made by spinning dielectric molecules. Now since the spin is being cohered by the electric/magnetic field interaction a cohered reaction force from the Lorentz interaction might also be suspected. While one might expect a undirectional voltage potential to be attained by this reaction, that result may express itself differently in the case of these spins. The resultant reaction my be an actual movement or cohered translational movement in one direction where the spin within a spin creates a spin on the third right angle. If this is expressed macroscopically as a observation than the entire collection of water molecules then should assume a vortexian action of collective spin. Thus the goal in that respect has become making a new kind of motor with the molecule as the rotating part. If this becomes feasible the inverse idea then becomes apparent as the conversion of falling water through cohered fields to produce an electrical energy output via direct conversion of gravitational potential energy to electrical via spin interaction. In that analogy the spinning water molecule replaces the spin of a generator. Now these are only speculations at the present time. It may be that the amount of conversion of molecular translational movement to rotational can never become great enough to cause a macroscopic observable reaction. But in order to test these theories one should first need an actual 90 degree electrical generation system. As you may understand mankinds technology does not built generators on that principle, rather they use a 120 degree phase angle, so ingenuity must rule the day to make an actual 90 generation system. I now have such a thing, but more work exists ahead to make the phases as close to ninety degrees as possible as this is now set at a random phase difference. So I dont try to spend a lot of time on other people ideas since I think I am on to the correct strategy. I can send a scanned drawing of the field interactions of this scenario if you are of interest. These is also a possibility of 40% overunity with the idea, since the energy obtained from the electric field is obtained in interaction at its zero power draw portion. > Through a friend of mine, I have been able to get > the > basics of a megawatt producing O/U generator that > uses > a unmagnetized steel flywheel! What makes this > generator so unique is that when you start the > flywheel spinning it is "free wheeling" with NO > apparent strain and when it reached a certain RPM it > experiences a sudden horrendous torque and the drive > motor growls with strain! As usable, IN PHASE, > power > is drawn from the generator, a resonance is > approached > and the flywheel experiences much less torque! > > See above where is states, "when you spin a > paramagnetic mass....." etc. > > A spinning mass, as in a gyroscope, will effect mass > that is in close proximity to it! > > Around the precision balance flywheel are placed > small > coils on each SIDE! One side is a "TUNED L/C" side > and the other side is the "TUNED POWER L/C" side. > Yes...that means there are two separate circuits on > either side of the flywheel that BOUNCE off each > other!!! > > Are you interested? > > Regards, > > Dan LaRochelle Yes it sounds interesting, is it a homopolar action? I did some small experiments with passing cureent through ring neodymium magnets, but could produce no movement. Those things were recorded at the messageboard but due to unknown forces, those and many other records were deleted. I have complained to no avail, but it might not be the message boards doing. Thanks for the letter of interest; Sincerely HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 11:06:57 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20919; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:06:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:06:26 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:05:47 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Resent-Message-ID: <"2gutz3.0.c65.Yw6Xv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: For your info. coil wiring change The coil on the LaFonte Research Group design is now wired to made a seperate top and bottom coil for flexibility in testing. The coils still are placed one on top the other to act as one coil if needed. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 11:21:15 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA26901; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:20:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:20:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:02:23 +0200 From: "The Dullabh's" Subject: Re: [FG]: DOE, Free Eenergy and World Order To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-id: <0FYI000BWW9IE2@blizzard.mweb.co.za> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QJzce2.0.Ea6.187Xv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yo Hello I would just like to know how to unsubscribe to the e-mailing service that sends me your's and others mail with respect to Science Idea's please. I would really appreciate it Thanx Manish Dullabh From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 12:48:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA17330; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:48:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20000730194808.4906.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"L8CBP2.0.dE4.QQ8Xv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Mechanical Resonance --- Dan LaRochelle wrote: > Through a friend of mine, I have been able to get > the > basics of a megawatt producing O/U generator that > uses > a unmagnetized steel flywheel! What makes this > generator so unique is that when you start the > flywheel spinning it is "free wheeling" with NO > apparent strain and when it reached a certain RPM it > experiences a sudden horrendous torque and the drive > motor growls with strain! As usable, IN PHASE, > power > is drawn from the generator, a resonance is > approached > and the flywheel experiences much less torque! > > See above where is states, "when you spin a > paramagnetic mass....." etc. > > A spinning mass, as in a gyroscope, will effect mass > that is in close proximity to it! > > Around the precision balance flywheel are placed > small > coils on each SIDE! One side is a "TUNED L/C" side > and the other side is the "TUNED POWER L/C" side. > Yes...that means there are two separate circuits on > either side of the flywheel that BOUNCE off each > other!!! > > Are you interested? In my reply he correctly interpreted I wasnt too interested in the idea because the power input was not electrical, but mechanical. However it seems like ideas are like ghosts that come back to haunt one if one misses the point. It always seems like its the insignificant information that later on becomes very significant, often yeilding accidental discoveries. Now I didnt really think or understand exactly what Dan was talking about here but it seemed like spatial energy extraction of energy via inertial rotation. This got me to thinking about what he was talking about and its correlation to Teslas days in the description of high frequency alternators, another thing never made anymore. Some induction heating factories might have the old mechanical models but I dont know, Im sure solid state devices rule the industry, or more knowledgeable folks can comment. But those high frequency mechanical devices had a peculiar quality that the top rotational speed of operation sometimes or all the time: I dont know for sure, but from the descriptions I remember a mechanical resonance effect was reached where at a certain rotation the generator would vibrate everything violently. If the designed freq of operation was higher than that mechanical resonance point, the device must be quickly brought up to operational speed it must do so rapidly in passing that rpm point as to not excessively damage the machinery. I dont know what the specific application was, probably something more like Fessenden's Continuous Wave (CW as distinguished from damped waves from spark gap methods) generators for early radio. These were in the tens of thousands of hz and that mechanical resonance might be construed as nothing unusual in those circumstances. However there is an old saying: what goes up must come down. In the case of a alternator we can withdraw the mechanical input, and also withdraw the electrical input of the field in this shut down process. Then of course in the de-acceleration of the pole faces of the alternator the same violent shaking may occur as the rpm containing the mechanical resonance is crossed. Again this is not deemed unusual because of many factors such as the induced currents by Lenz law may be involved. So this too is glossed over. What made think about this matter further is that this has occurred many times already right under my nose with out me realizing it, in fact the last time was two days ago. And even a further instantaneous reflection tends to explain a lot of things. But to start this diatribe off I should first speculate that I am entirely wrong in the first place; describe what happens, and allow the logical world to explain and make comment. What I have described above and what Dan has described have a sort of common intersection: rotation of mass. The intersection involved here is that the reluctance alternator only revolves a ferromagnetic mass, neither the field nor the stator output windings actually move in space. The actual moving part is called the pole faces: these are the intertwined finger like structures providing a rotating flux leakage in the air gaps to interact with the periphery outside stator output coils. An ordinary automotive alternator has the field rotating with the pole faces, thus demanding slip rings to supply current to a rotating part. Now to complicate the matter further a certain sort of nonsensible question has to be brought up: does the alternator matter which direction it will turn and will it produce the same output each way? This might seem nonsensical because in most every case the answer is no, it does not matter. Going further into the equation known as the evidence, given the above answer is no, this then means there should be no difference if we then drive two reluctance alternators on a common shaft as mirror images of each other with that 180 symmetry on that axis. However in that new condition both x and y symmetry exists on that dimensional rotation. In the described set up above each and every time the rotation is brought up to 3600 rpm by the 5 hp single phase electric motor,where the stator output is then only 360 hz by virtue of 12 pole faces at that rotation; when the device is turned off a very peculiar thing happens. This shaking example of other MR actions may not be applicable here but on de-acceleration a portion of a single violent jerk in the opposite direction seems to happen on that de-acceleration movement which occurs every time on shut off. So unusual is this is that it somehow by illusion appears to momentarily reverse direction and then go back to normal. A heavy mass like that just shouldnt do it. It was my thinking that this was due to the field being energized after shut off by circulating induced currents. But it seems this occurs without the field even being energized: therefore the field might be energized by spatial rotation itself similar to other claims. The reluctance alternator itself may be a design which better harnesses the principle involved with DePalma claims. To determine what is going on the stator and field coils will removed and the pole faces, consisting of nothing more than rotating ferromagnetic mass will be powered to see if that large rotating mass is somehow delivering a kickback to the 5 hp motor single phase motor. I do not see how that could be possible, but since it does it every time things must be done to understand how and why to stop it; including the reasonings involved here. So I would appreciate an opinion whether these actions are common problems in motor delivery of power, and whether this is barking up the wrong alley. Sincerely Harvey D Norris ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 18:05:42 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA24927; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:05:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:05:15 -0700 X-Sender: harti@mail.harti.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, ou-builders@egroups.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:05:10 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA24900 Resent-Message-ID: <"cJnSX2.0.F56.B3DXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Grueter Blasius device works..?! Hi All, 2 Physics-teacher from Muenster, Germany have rebuild Mr.Grueter Blasiusīs device and got the center of mass shifted over the axis and their device did run for 2 full cycles until a line ripped apart and the device collapsed. They are currently trying to build it up again and hopefully will soon send photos of their device. Now I had a look again at our calculations from 1998 and we might have done an error. So just looking at the water masses and the liftup of the compensator (swimmer body) it seems it really works, so that the total center of mass of the device is shifted above the rotation axis and this device can then rotate on. Let us just use again the dimensions from the Grueter Blasiusīs device, which was build by him: ( see again http://www.overunity.com/gb ) These are the parameters we have at the demo machine: cylinder body=generator= 98,9 Liter volume 30 cm diameter, 140 cm height kompensator(swimmer body )= 60 Liter volume made out of styrodor 120 cm height water inside generator= 38.12 Liters= 38.12 Kg Swimmer body (kompensator) = 60 Liter = 60 Kg liftup force water inside generator consists of: Ringfluid Vring = 24 Kg plus Remanenzfluid Vrem = 14,12 Kg Movement of the bodies: Generator goes down for: 0.4 Meter, swimmerbody goes down inside generator: 0.2 Meter. We have as a source energy: 38 Kg Water going down in the earth gravity field 0.4 meters This represents our source energy of: 38 Kg x 0.4 Meters= 15,2 mKg Now the kompensator (swimmer body) must be pulled down for 0.2 Meters inside the water which needs an energy of: 60 Kg x 0.2 Meters = 12 mKg Now we have left an energy of: 15,2 mKg - 12 mKg = 3.2 mkG So we have left 3.2 mKg Energy to overcome friction losses inside the gears ! Will now the center of mass move over the rotation axis ? Here now the calculation for the shifting of the center of mass. (see gb01.mpg inside the www.overunity.com/movies archive) We have: Ringfluid Vring = 24 Kg Remanenzfluid Vrem = 14,12 Kg Difference of height: for Vring = 0,4 m for Vrem = 1,20 m - 0,40 m = 0,8 m Energydifference (= potential energy won) Vrem x 0,8 m - Vring x 0,4 m = = 11,296 mKg - 9,6 mKg = 1,696 mKg ========== So the center of mass of the whole unit has moved up over the rotation axis ! So, if you neglect the akkomodators and just use the water inside the calculation it seems to work ! Maybe all the "Akkomodator-calculations" did only mix us up and confused us ? It does not need any akkomodators for the basic principle. Or did I make an error in this above calculation ? It is already a bit late 3 am in the morning and I am not totally sure. Any comments ? Best regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jul 30 18:21:16 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA29150; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:20:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:20:44 -0700 X-Sender: harti@mail.harti.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com, ou-builders@egroups.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:20:38 +0200 Resent-Message-ID: <"I3Zxr.0.H77.iHDXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: More pics from the Berlin free energy congress http://www.norbertmoch.de/TagungFreieEnergie100700/TagungFreieEnergie100700.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 11:27:25 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA17069; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:25:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:25:56 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:25:12 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Resent-Message-ID: <"OJAAI3.0.NA4.qISXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Did I overlook anyone for group? Is there anyone who asked to be put on the LaFonte Research Group but has not received a post from me in the last two days? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 14:35:29 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA06918; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:33:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3985F1CE.7CEF5B2B@csrlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:38:22 -0400 From: Michael Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael S. Johnston" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wB5__.0.xh1.E2VXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: Multi Cell Theory, Update Multi-Cell Theory, Update (Resistance) By M. Johnston 7/28/00 Several months ago I wrote a little paper on the advantages of using multiple electrolysis cells, connected to form a Series Circuit, over a single cell or even cells connected in parallel. In looking back on this paper I still feel that I was correct in the general idea that I tried to present even though I now realize that I was wrong in some respects and, in addition, did not adequately explain the concept that I was trying to relay. This paper is intended to both clarify and improve upon those original ideas in several ways and to introduce a new design for series cells. Speaking of series cells I would like to briefly review some facts about series circuits. In a series circuit the same current flows through every part. It makes no difference how many parts or devices you have. As long as the identical current passes through each, it is a series circuit. The current that flows through a series circuit depends upon the source voltage and the total circuit resistance. When there is only one load (cell) in a circuit IT provides the total resistance (other than the resistance of the wires and the internal resistance of the power source). However, when there are a series of loads the total circuit resistance is the sum of the resistances of the individual loads (cells). So if a circuit has five loads of one ohm resistance each it has a total resistance of 5 x 1 = 5 ohms. To find the current that a series circuit will draw you determine the total circuit resistance by adding the resistances of each load (cell). Then you use Ohm's law (I=E/R) to find the current. In the above example if we were using a 12 volt power source then our current through the circuit would be I= 12volts/5ohms and so I = 2.4 amps. Once the current is known it is easy to figure the total power used. P = I2R = (2.4 x 2.4) x 5 = 28.8 watts of power used in our example. An easier way is to multiply the source voltage by the current; 12 x 2.4 = 28.8. Next the voltage drop. I think that this is a much misunderstood concept as I see it applied to electrolysis cells. For example, in my earlier paper I mentioned a 2 volt drop per cell. I got that number quoted to me by someone and as my experimental data was close to that number I accepted it as such. Other people believe that a certain minimum voltage is required for electrolysis to take place and confuse that number with the voltage drop. In actuality Faraday's law says that the amount of H2 released in an electrolysis cell depends entirely upon the amount of current which passes. If you can maintain a high enough current at 1 volt it should still have the same effect as the same current at 300 volts. The only difference being that at 300 volts you could get that current to be maintained over substantially more cells. Back to the voltage drop. In a series circuit the total voltage dropped across all of the loads is equal to the source voltage. Simple isn't it? If you run a current from a 12 volt power source through one cell your voltage drop will be 12 volts. If you run current from a 12 volt power source through 300 cells your voltage drop will be 12 volts. In the single cell all of the voltage will be dropped across that one cell. In 300 cells (of equal resistance) the voltage drop per cell is determined by multiplying current by resistance (E = IR). In this case our voltage drop per cell would depend upon finding our current and resistance. Say we have a total resistance of 2 ohms across all of our 300 cells. We can then find the current that this setup would draw by using the formula I = E/R = 12volts/2ohms = 6amps. So, knowing this we can say that E = IR = 6amps x 2ohms = 12 volts dropped across the 300 cells. So then, if we want to know the voltage drop in each cell we would have to find the resistance of each cell by dividing our total resistance by the total number of cells (since all have equal resistances) R individual = 2ohms/300 = .0066666 ohms per cell. Then we can find our voltage drop for each cell by using the formula E = IR = 6amps x .0066666 ohms = .0399996 volts per cell. If we then multiply our voltage drop per cell by the total number of cells (300) we find that our total voltage dropped across all of the cells is 11.99988 volts. This is just an example. It is not intended to be necessarily workable because there indeed might be a minimum voltage per cell in order for electrolysis to take place. I have not disproven that to date in an experimental manner and so for all examples that follow I will allow for more voltage being "left" to drop over the last cell. The first factor that I believe needs to be specifically addressed in relation to series cells is resistance. I have seen resistance losses in electrolysis cells commonly quoted as being from 40 - 60 % as though this were some kind of "given", unchangeable. From the most basic understanding of Ohm's law it soon beams apparent that this is not the case. No circuit has a certain "built in" resistance unless someone builds it in. To assume a "standard" resistance for all possible designs of electrolysis cells is like saying that no matter how you design an electrical circuit, or which specific components you include, or exclude, it will always have exactly the same resistance in it! Obviously this is not true or we wouldn't have computers would we? Or for a simpler analogy, what if you put a 1200cc motorcycle motor into a truck tractor? Would you complain then because that setup wouldn't work properly? From that evidence you could come to believe that an internal combustion motor could never be able to power a big truck. Someday though someone would figure out that perhaps a larger or different kind of motor would work better. In electrolysis cells resistance plays just as big a role as in any other electrical circuit. You CAN adjust this factor within a very wide set of parameters, I hope to illustrate this in this paper and to show how this ability to design a specific resistance into a series of cells can and will, I believe, allow the construction of a series cell which is efficient enough to separate a sufficient quantity of water to provide H2(g) to run a car for example. I have seen many people (myself included) discussing many and varied designs for electrolysis cells but I have yet to see anyone show WHY they believe that their design would work. People just seem to accept certain things like "larger electrodes liberate more H2" without really going into the "why" of it. That's too bad because that is where the answer lies. First, a look at Ohm's law. The following simple formulas establish the basis for most of the examples I will use in this paper. I am sure that they are already familiar to most readers but I include them anyway in an attempt to be thorough. I = E/R, R = E/I, E = IR (I =Current, E = Volts and R = Resistance) and finally P = I2R for power losses. Also important is the formula for finding how much H2 will be released from water in a given amount of time by the application of a specific electrical current. This formula is; m = .0000105 x I x t where I = Current, M = mass of H2 produced (in grams) and t = time. The number (.0000105) is obtained by dividing the atomic mass of the substance to be separated (H2) by it's valence (Faraday's Second Law). First I want to show how much current must pass through an electrolysis cell in order to liberate the H2 contained in one liter of water in one hour. That should be a sufficient amount to run many types of small internal combustion motors and for this example I would like to concentrate primarily on such motors. So if we take the mass of H2 to be produced; 2.016 gm/mole x 55 mole/liter = 110.88 gmH2/liter. Then taking that number and dividing it by .0000105 gives us 10,560,000 amps which must pass through our cell in one hour or, dividing that number by 60 gives us 176,000 amps per minute or, dividing that by 60 gives us 2933.33 amps per second. Pretty big current isn't it? Not too many small generators can deliver that can they? Remember though, that is the amount that would have to pass through ONE cell (ignoring any catalysts for now). What if we were to divide that current up among a group of cells? A much smaller amount of current would have to pass through them all as each one would produce an amount of H2 equal to the quantity of current passing through it. As long as the SAME current flowed through all the cells their cumulative output of H2 would be all of their individual outputs added together and would equal the amount produced by a much larger current passing through ONE cell. If we divide the above total current (2933.33amps per cell) by 50 cells we find that we must maintain a current of 58.66 amps in each of those cells to separate the desired quantity of H2 from water in the desired amount of time. That seems to be a much easier amount of current to produce and work with doesn't it? So there we have the first of the necessary factors for our Ohm's law equations. We have established the amount of H2 gas that we need to produce to run a specific device and have then gone on to find the current that we need to maintain in a certain number of electrolysis cells to give us the desired quantity of H2 gas in the necessary amount of time. Next we must determine either our desired voltage or resistance. I will use voltage as I want to get more deeply into the resistance factor later. Let's pretend we want to use an automotive alternator to produce our H2 gas, We can assume then that we have a 12 volt power source. Now that we have this information we can find out what our maximum total resistance must be across all the cells and in each cell for this device to work as intended. To do this we use Ohm's formula of R = E/I which is expressed here as R= 12volts/58.66amps, and so R = .205 ohms total resistance across all of our cells or .205amps/50(cells) = .00409 ohms resistance per cell. It seems simple and straightforward enough doesn't it? What about resistance though? How is it determined and how can it be changed? Many books have tables of the resistances of various metals. I won't bother to list them here. I would like to focus on copper. It is a good conductor with low resistance. Silver is a better conductor with lower resistance but it is significantly more expensive and so less easily available for most researchers. Copper is also actually fairly inert and the right combination of electrode metal and type or concentration of electrolyte needs to be found so that the electrodes do not dissolve but that is for later. The resistance of any material depends upon the number of free electrons that the material has. One ampere is 6,280,000,000,000,000,000 free electrons passing any given point in a conductor (such as a wire) in one second. So a good conductor must have many free electrons available to allow several amperes of current to flow. Since current is a measurement of electrons passing a point in a conductor more free electrons can be made available by using a thicker piece of metal so that more current can flow. In the case of a battery or an electrolysis cell this is already known. The larger the surface area of your electrodes the more free electrons are available to cause the separation of water. Also, don't forget that water (containing an electrolyte) is our other conductor and by increasing the surface area of our solid electrodes we are increasing the surface area of our water conductor (and thereby lower it's resistance)as well! As an example; a piece of copper 2cm high and 1cm wide will have twice as many free electrons available at the point at which current is being measured as a piece only 1cm wide by 1cm high. The piece that is twice as high will conduct twice as much current. Since the amount of H2 that is released by the electrolytic separation of water depends totally on the amount of current that passes through the water then it seems obviously desirable to have control of the resistance of the cell as this is the factor which determines how much current flows and thereby how much H2 is released. So when you increase the width or height of your electrodes you are increasing their cross-sectional area. The greater the cross-sectional area of your electrodes, the lower their resistance. The lower their resistance, the more current flows. The more current that flows, the more H2 that is released. On the other side of the coin, if you increase the length of your electrodes (in the direction of current flow) you increase your resistance and lower the current flow. By doubling the length of a conductor you double it's resistance (or conversely by cutting said conductors length in half you also decrease it's resistance by one half). This causes more of your available current to be converted into heat energy and increases your power losses. Therefore, by choosing the proper metal for a conductor, and making it with a certain cross-section and length, you can produce any kind of resistance effect you want. I thought that, at this point it would be good to figure out the resistance of a piece of copper of a certain size so that researchers might have a basis on which to figure the resistance of their cells. As I said I feel that copper is the best metal to use for experimental purposes. I decided to find the resistance of a piece of copper of 1 sq/in by 1/4 inch thickness. This way you can much more easily figure the resistance of any size electrode you might use. If you look at a table of American Standard Wire Gauges you will see that it gives you the dimensions and typical resistances of commercial copper wire. From this table I selected B&S Gauge #2 wire. It has a cross-sectional area of .258 inch (a little over a quarter inch) and it is round rather than square so I am fudging just a bit. That aside I believe that despite this my results will be close to being accurate so here goes; the resistance of one thousand feet of this wire at 70 degrees Fahrenheit is .159 ohms. So then the resistance of 500 feet would be half of that or .159/2 = .0795 ohms. That is a piece of copper 1/4 inch square in cross-sectional area by 500 feet long. Remember we only want it to be 1/4 inch long so we have to keep going. I will keep dividing it in half until I reach my desired length; 250 feet of wire = .0795ohms/2 = .03975ohms per 250 feet 125 feet of wire = .03975ohms/2 = .019875ohms per 125 feet 62.5 feet of wire = .019875ohms/2 = .0099375ohms per 62.5 feet 31.25 feet of wire = .0099375ohms/2 = .0049687ohms per 31.25 feet 15.625 feet of wire = .0049687ohms/2 = .0024843ohms per 15.625 feet 7.8125 feet of wire = .0024843ohms/2 = .0012421ohms per 7.8125 feet 3.59125 feet of wire = .0012421ohms/2 = .000621ohms per 3.59125 feet 1.795625 feet of wire = .000621ohms/2 = .0003105ohms per 1.795625 feet .8978125 feet of wire = .0003105ohms/2 = .0001552ohms per .8978125 feet .4489062 feet of wire = .0001552ohms/2 = .0000776ohms per .4489062 feet .2244531 feet of wire = .0000776ohms/2 = .0000388ohms per .2244531 feet .1122265 feet of wire = .0000388ohms/2 = .0000194ohms per .1122265 feet .0561132 feet of wire = .0000194ohms/2 = .0000097ohms per .0561132 feet .0280566 feet of wire = .0000097ohms/2 = .0000048ohms per .0280566 feet And there is our quarter inch in length (roughly). Now we have the resistance for a quarter inch cube of copper. Remember that if we increase the surface area of our conductor we lower the resistance again. By doubling the surface area we cut the resistance in half. We wanted the number for a square inch of copper so we have to adjust the numbers accordingly. 1/4" = .0000048 ohms so 1/2" = .0000048/2 = .0000024ohms 1/2" = .0000024ohms so 1" = .0000024/2 = .0000012ohms There is the multiplier for figuring the resistance of your copper electrodes. Find the number of square inches and multiply by the number of ohms per square inch. Remember that they have to be 1/4 inch thick for this to be accurate. Just for fun let's imagine an electrolysis cell in which we have two electrodes, each measuring 3" x 3". That would be 9 square inches each or 18 square inches total. So we would take the one square inch that we have the number for and double it to 2 square inches. That cuts the resistance in half, so 2sq/in = .0000012ohms/2 = .0000006 ohms 4sq/in = .0000006ohms/2 = .0000003ohms 8sq/in = .0000003ohms/2 = .0000001ohms 16sq/in = .0000001 ohms/2 = .00000005ohms At 16 square inches of copper 1/4 inch thick we have reached nearly zero resistance. The problem is that the conductor can only carry so much current and the power source can only supply so much current. For these reasons, even though near zero resistance would theoretically draw an huge amount of current and consequently supply a proportionally huge amount of H2, it isn't technically possible at this time. Therefore if we use a series of cells which maintain a current of realistic proportions across all of them we can engineer the setup to produce almost any amount of H2 from water while staying within the paramaters of real world possibility. Just as an added note, the #2 gauge wire I started with has a rated current carrying capacity of 91-136amps with rubber insulation or between 96-241amps with other insulation. These amounts of current are fairly realistic in terms of what can be produced by commonly available power sources. I haven't factored in the resistance of the water and I don't have any actual experimental data on the resistivity of water specifically but for this paper I will ass ume that, if you place your electrodes as close together as the thickness of one of them the resulting small thickness of your water conductor will no more than double the total cell resistance. In batteries a sheet of porous wood or rubber is inserted between the electrode plates to prevent arcing between the electrodes. Automotive batteries make use of these principles to achieve a total internal resistance of around 1.8ohms for the whole battery or 1.8/6 = .03ohms per cell. Remember that lead is 12.76 times as resistive as copper so if a copper plate were being used the resistance per cell would be around .03/12.76 = .0235109ohms or 1.8/12.76 = .1410658ohms for the whole battery. How much current would a battery like the one above (with copper electrodes) be able to draw from a 12volt power source? I = E/R = 12/.1410658 = 85.066685 amps. Could it be made to draw more? Yes. Increase the cross-sectional area of the electrodes and thereby reduce it's resistance. How much H2 could be produced in a battery such as the above (per cell)? Since m = .0000105 x a x t then m= .0000105 x 85.066685 = .0008932001925 gm/sec x 6 cells = .005359201155 gm/sec for the whole device or .3215520693 gm/min or 19.293124158 gm/hr. End of part 1. MJ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 14:43:30 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA11848; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:42:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:42:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:42:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200007312142.RAA30654@smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net> X-Sender: inet1547@pop3.atlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@lcia.com (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: [FG]: Mechanical Resonance Resent-Message-ID: <"GhsSM.0.1v2.YBVXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To determine >what is going on the stator and field coils will >removed and the pole faces, consisting of nothing more >than rotating ferromagnetic mass will be powered to >see if that large rotating mass is somehow delivering >a kickback to the 5 hp motor single phase motor. I do >not see how that could be possible, but since it does >it every time things must be done to understand how >and why to stop it; including the reasonings involved >here. So I would appreciate an opinion whether these >actions are common problems in motor delivery of >power, and whether this is barking up the wrong alley. >Sincerely Harvey D Norris Hi Harvey, You've brought up a number of interesting points, and I've seen that sort of thing happen with compressor/motor combos quite a bit. The classical explanation is that on each bearing, there is axial and radial play that, even though it is quite small, a there can be RPM ranges where the vector of the play of one bearing can be in a dissonance with the play of another, and an oscillation vector will result which can be quite violent. Surprisingly so, actually. The more bearings and pulleys, or couplings, and the rigidity of the mounting, or the belt tension when present, variance in the load, alignment, etc., all add complexity to the analysis and correction of the problem. You have correctly identified the most common cure though, which is to bring the drive motor up to a speed that is above that dissonant RPM level as quickly as possible. Once it gets above it, the system feels like it is relieved of a lot of unwanted stress, and the whole machine hums along. When things are properly aligned, balanced etc., even a complex device should be able to run up to speed without any violent shaking. Even in very simple configurations, such as an electrical motor and a wheel like a pump impeller for example, there has been observed what is known as the Dumbell Effect, which is where a load shift on the impeller will communicate through the shaft, through the bearings, and the motor rotor will oscillate up and down along with the oscillations of the impeller. A harmonic can be set up, and the thing will want to walk around. I've never seen this with professionally made impellers that were balanced, but I've read about it. I have seen it with impellers that I've made myself, but always put it off as a balancing deficiency. What is interesting that you have introduced to the analysis is the concept of coupling with space energy in a fashion that may tap into it somehow, and bring it into the overall power audit. There has been talk that both oscillating masses and rotating masses can do this, and I don't know of any studies that have proven that it can't really. I think that using a dynamometer along with strain gauges would tell the story, but that would be kind of pricey. Tuned, resonant LC circuits on the outside of the wheel might a way of at least measuring the possibility, I don't know. Even a hall effect sensor might be worth getting as a measuring device. There have also been motors where back EMF is produced by an energized rotor coil bumping into the next energized coil of the stator in opposition to it and causing a current pulse in to be induced in the stator that is in opposition to the normal flow. Someone here not too long ago posted that they were able to run a motor on batteries for a very long time because they could capture that back EMF pulse and put it back into the battery. If the flywheel itself is gaining energy from space, and driving the electrical motor for a moment, instead of the other way around, then logically, this could very well create some oscillation, as well as, useable amounts of back EMF. Just as a quick question, you say that you are using a 5hp, single phase motor, and I've been keeping my eyes out for a good supplier of those. Is that 120V or 240V? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 15:54:36 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08008; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:53:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:53:25 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <12.4974e8.26b75d2a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:52:26 EDT To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Resent-Message-ID: <"WbyNB2.0.uy1.bDWXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: LaFonte Research Group web site up! http://members.aol.com/vettenrr/LaFonteResearch.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 21:52:59 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30604; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:52:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:52:20 -0700 Message-ID: <20000801045148.18981.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Mechanical Resonance To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ARP-u2.0._T7.3UbXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- Michael T Huffman wrote: > To determine > >what is going on the stator and field coils will > >removed and the pole faces, consisting of nothing > more > >than rotating ferromagnetic mass will be powered to > >see if that large rotating mass is somehow > delivering > >a kickback to the 5 hp motor single phase motor. I > do > >not see how that could be possible, but since it > does > >it every time things must be done to understand how > >and why to stop it; including the reasonings > involved > >here. So I would appreciate an opinion whether > these > >actions are common problems in motor delivery of > >power, and whether this is barking up the wrong > alley. > What is interesting that you have introduced to the > analysis is the concept > of coupling with space energy in a fashion that may > tap into it somehow, and > bring it into the overall power audit. There has > been talk that both > oscillating masses and rotating masses can do this, > and I don't know of any > studies that have proven that it can't really. I > think that using a > dynamometer along with strain gauges would tell the > story, but that would be > kind of pricey. Tuned, resonant LC circuits on the > outside of the wheel > might a way of at least measuring the possibility, I > don't know. Even a > hall effect sensor might be worth getting as a > measuring device. Thanx again Mike for these interactive comments which might not exist without this discussion list. I have devised a simple test for the phenomenon which might not be that remarkable, just an odd occurance simply explained by the following speculation: as the pole face rotor de-accelerates at a certain rpm it acts on either the field or the stator winding as a self magnetised Lenz force interaction, in which case those can be monitored on two scope channels on turn off to see these speculated voltages. I also thought it might be a momentum return back up the 5 hp AC motor itself accomplishing some similar effect, in which case this would be common trait of all power delivery to loads with free wheeling effect on turn off, which doesnt always apply as a reflection back to a rigid input mechanical source of power, such as the actual gear driven bus alternator application being used here which would have the actual crankskshaft of the engine experiencing that force:{PROVIDED THAT IT COULD DE-ACCELERARATE ACCORDING TO FREE WHEELING CONDITIONS OF LITTLE INERTIA WHICH IT DOES NOT} It is simply an oddity to add to many things, easily shown as either real or ficticious by scope observation. The oscilloscope can seem like the devil's advocate in that it can give information that seems to defy explanation, and if the further questions are asked by looking at smaller and smaller time intervals by increasing the frequency of the beam sweep, the information itself seems to be altered by the observation. The first observer may never suspect that what he observes is a consequence of Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle, and that such a far reaching scientific hypothesis could never intersect with commonplace observations by the common man using an oscilloscope. These are the ramifications of quantum mechanics. Of extra ordinary importance in this matter is how Alice in the Lookin Glass works. The first magnifying glass is the scope itself. The second filter is the observation made by the VCR camera watching and recording that scope observation. That VCR has a blinking red light that indicates its sampling rate, or frames per second. By watching the 2ms/div sweep rate across a scope from a VHS tape recording we can see that on replay each pause per pause frame shows about .85 of a screen sweep. This roughly corresponds to the 16.6 ms time of a single 60 hz cycle. But it doesnt exactly correspond because that sweep time is 20 ms across 10 div or squares of a complete scope beam sweep. So every picture frame will have a linear progression point where the next picture starts at a new reference point in the beam. This sliding reference point actually seems to be what is a sensitive coherer of time periods. Thus it might be possible that when time is altered by electrical pressures this reference slope line changes, even altering the appearance of a zero potential line as showing in http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/beam.html As should be seen that reference time line goes right off the scope screen as an effect made by the camera sampling rate interfacing with the scope sampling rate, and after too many BPS the zero reference line goes below its reference point on a single captured sweep. The next scope picture on that page shows the monitoring of the time continuum during the ball discharge pictured on the next page. To further amaze onself, the translation of the Dazzle Software interpreting the VHS information in turn has its own sampling rate that interfaces with that information that in turn chops off half of the recorded info. It in turn is that software that is solely responsible for all of my web page jpegs. Remarkably this great discrepancy can easily be seen by simultaneously viewing a VCR monitor showing complete sweeps, while the dazzle recording software only shows half that sweep. That is how a sample can show a vanishing high freq event. Too long winded tonight< i will send some tapes HDN > Just as a quick question, you say that you are using > a 5hp, single phase > motor, and I've been keeping my eyes out for a good > supplier of those. Is > that 120V or 240V? 5 hp is impossible at 120 volts single phase: they dont make them, the next voltage step up is required. Paid $250.00 for mine, they are steep. HDN > Knuke > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm > ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 22:21:49 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA10684; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:21:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20000801052051.22740.qmail@web4404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey norris Subject: Re: [FG]: Multi Cell Theory, Update To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"hqM3u.0.lc2.LvbXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The debate about what the appropriate voltage levels to either series or parallel design should use is itself dependent on its SOURCING. In the old design of things the voltage is mostly independant of the source load which is non linear in that conduction begins to occur only after a certain thermoneutral voltage point is crossed. But that source input voltage does not function as a sort of servo-mechanism to reflect back to the input voltage source to limit that voltage to constructive levels. The open circuit testing of a BRS can be maximum voltage at open condition and change its voltage input according to each cell added in series, each time appropriating only the minimal amperage needed for conduction. That means you are considering the facts from the outside/in instead of the inside/out. HDN ===== Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jul 31 22:36:55 2000 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA16939; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:36:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:36:33 -0700 Message-ID: <005101bad842$1840a1c0$d95006d1@sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com> From: "ComputerMasters" To: References: <20000801045148.18981.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:10:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"lKPwE3.0.W84.X7cXv"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subject: [FG]: water car??? gas prices are going up again, does that water car really works?