From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 1 09:24:34 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA13378; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31D8D105.1C61@dove.mtx.net.au> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Glenville Sawyer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BLASTER ???? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hello I am interested in the "BLASTER5" program that is available from a number of locations, this ( if you have already d-loaded it) is a DOS program that uses the single byte interupt generation of tones using the speaker inside your PC. I have been unable to locate who originally coded this program, but I am looking for any details of the "Treatment / Vs Tones / vs time" information that this program uses. Looking inside the software yielded a lot of data, but I am still uncertain as to some of the DB (DataByte) functions that my disassembler spewed out for me. If ANYONE knows what the actual times and frequencies (combinations therof) are I would like to hear from you. thank you. P.S Will be experimenting with some scalar antenna coils over the next 2 months, will let you know how I get on. regards, Glenville. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 1 10:12:50 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA22138; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Query X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Anyone out there heard of the book or author: The Intellegence of the Universe Speaks by Warren Goetz ? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 1 21:35:41 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA20501; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607020424.XAA12261@bluestem.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Carburetors X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A while back someone posted a list of patents by Pogue and others who had done work with carburetors. I thought I had saved the message but it seems to have vanished into a black hole somewhere. Whoever posted that, could you send me the list again? Thanks. Zack w9sz@prairienet.org From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 3 09:44:03 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA15746; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1996Jul03.112400.1650.157656@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MMcCoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Greetings everyone! I'm new to all of this and I think it's all amazing! So much to learn, so little time. I read a little bit about the HAARP thing, and my puzzler is puzzling about whether the recent failure in the power grid out west could have anything to do with their experiments. I don't understand it completely, but I remember reading predictions of dire consequences from meddling with the ionosphere and/or Van Allen Belts. Anyone out there have an opinion? Mark McCoy 214-470-4462 mmccoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 3 14:07:44 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08592; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Alexander V. Frolov" To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear Sir, 12 hours video materials on the conference New Ideas in Natural Sciences, St.-Petersburg, 17-23 June 1996, are ready for sale. Please, send the order for copy by email postmaster@frolov.spb.ru. Format is PAL! Sound is "on life" in Russian and in English as it was in the process of the conference. Paper in English that explane "who is who" in the video tape is included. The price is USD 200 for one set of 4 tapes ( 4 x 3 = 12 ) ............................................................................ postmaster@frolov.spb.ru From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 3 18:21:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02366; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607032335.QAA18141@wolves.EBay.Sun.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Michael.Miller@Ebay.Sun.COM (Michael D. Miller) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > Greetings everyone! > > I'm new to all of this and I think it's all amazing! So much to learn, so > little time. > > I read a little bit about the HAARP thing, and my puzzler is puzzling about > whether the recent failure in the power grid out west could have anything > to do with their experiments. I don't understand it completely, but I > remember reading predictions of dire consequences from meddling with the > ionosphere and/or Van Allen Belts. > > Anyone out there have an opinion? > > Mark McCoy > 214-470-4462 > mmccoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com Mark, Here is something interesting I read on the net... "Subjecting the ionosphere to HF bombardment can ionize the neutral particles in the uppper atmosphere. The HAARP Fact Sheet notes that 'ionospheric disturbances at high altitudes also can act to induce large currents in electric power grids' on the ground, causing massive power blackouts. According to the 1990 Air Force-Navy document, power levels of one gigawatt and above 'can drastically alter [the ionosphere's] thermal, refractive, scattering and emission character.' While thee ionosphere over the government's smaller HF transmitter in Puerto Rico is relatively 'stable,' the document notes that the ionosphere above Alaska is 'a dynamic entity' where added bursts of electromagnetic energy could trigger exaggerated effects." -michael From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 3 22:57:25 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24822; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607040522.WAA22275@ns2.indirect.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Reed Huish To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Carburetors X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) wrote: > > >A while back someone posted a list of patents by Pogue and others who had >done work with carburetors. > >I thought I had saved the message but it seems to have vanished into a >black hole somewhere. > >Whoever posted that, could you send me the list again? > >Thanks. > >Zack >w9sz@prairienet.org > On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) wrote: >>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Zack Widup wrote: >> >>>There is supposedly something called the Pogue carburetor which heats the >>>fuel (vapors) through a series of chambers. I haven't been able to find >>>the patent or info on it. >>> >>>Does anyone out there know? >> While I'm not a conspiracy buff, here's a list of descriptions & patents related to high-mileage carburetors... ------------------------------------------------------------------- GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN SUPPRESSED INVENTIONS: CHRONOLOGY COPYRIGHT APRIL, 1989 by PEA RESEARCH, 105 Serra Way, Ste. 176, Milpitas, CA 95035 Version 1.06 DATE of INCIDENT REFERENCE: DESCRIPTION of INCIDENT ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unable to Date: B1-B,3 CARBURETION, MOORE The most productive in the field of carburetion was George Arlington Moore. Out of 17000 Patents, 250 of them were related to carburetion. As far back as the mid 1920’s, Moore was capable of virtually elliminating carbon monoxide pollution with his carburetors. People in the automotive field considered Moore to be a genious and couldn’t understand why the automobile industry ignored his inventions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan. 3, 1935 J1-A,1,21 CARBURETION, POGUE, Pat.#353538 (Canadian) Charles N. Pogue is issued a Canadian Patent for a High Mileage Carburetor. (see 1/7/36) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr. 9, 1935 J1-A,1,19 CARBURETION, POGUE, Pat.#1997497 Charles N. Pogue is issued a Patent for a High Mileage Carburetor. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan. 7, 1936 J1-A,1,16 CARBURETION, POGUE, Pat.#2026798 Charles N. Pogue is issued a Patent for his newer High Mileage Carburetor. Pogue used the carburetor for about ten years on his car and produced about 200 carburetors thru the Economy Carburetor Co. (see 4/30/36; 8/10/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- early 1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, POGUE BREEN MOTOR CO., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: Tests the POGUE Carburetor on a Ford V-8 Coupe and got 26.2 miles on one pint of gasoline. The performance of the car was 100% in every way. Under 10 mph the operation much smoother than a standard carburetor. T.G. Green, President of the BREEN MOTOR CO., did the tests. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr. 30,1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, FORD MOTOR CO. FORD MOTOR CO., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: Tests the POGUE Carburetor and is at “a loss to understand” how the carburetor got “25.7 miles on one pint of gasoline”! (That’s approximately 205 mpg). Mr. W.J. Holmes and Mr. Purdy conducted the test for FORD MOTOR CO. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Aug. 10,1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, POGUE S. Stockhammer tested the POGUE Carburetor on a 1934 Ford V-8 Coupe and got 28 miles per pint of gas. “I can say the performance was all anyone could desire in every shape of form.” (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec. 12, 1936 J1-A,26 CARBURETION, POGUE Canadian Automotive Magazine states that the standard carburetor gets about 25 mpg at only 9% efficiency. Therefore the POGUE carburetor is 72% efficient overall at 200 mpg. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Oct. 22, 1940 J1-A,14 CARBURETION, NEWBERY, Pat.#2218922 Ivor B. Newbery gets a Patent for a high mileage carburetor that he says delivers a truly dry vapor to the engine and produces very little, if any, exhaust pollutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1945 Carburetors marked “POGUE CARBURETOR, DO NOT OPEN” were used on unnamed source American Army tanks throughout WWII but were removed from circulation after the war ended. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- late 1950’s J1-A,1 CARBURETION, FISH/KENDIG B1-B,3 Variable Venturi The Fish/Kendig Variable Venturi carburetors get some very interesting mileage figures. The Fish carburetor even got into production on a small scale, but for some unknown reason, these carburetors fade away in the early 1960’s. (see early 1970’s) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1953 J1-A,26 CARBURETION, POGUE CARS Magazine states that in the opening months of 1936, Pogue panicked the Toronto stock exchange and threw fright into the major oil companies. Stock exchange offices & brokers were swamped with orders to dump all oil stock immediately. This same article states that Winnipeg’s largest automobile dealers tested the POGUE carburetor and got results of up to 216.8 mpg! (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid 1950’s B1-B,3 CARBURETION, BASCLE, Pat.# ? Joseph Bascle get a Patent for an improved carburetor which was used on every car in the Yellow Cab fleet in Baton Rouge, NY. It raised mileage by 25% and decreased pollution by 45%. ------------------------------------------------------------------- May 2, 1961 J1-A,12 CARBURETION, SHELTON, Pat.#2982528 Robert S. Shelton gets a Patent for a high mileage carburetor that he claims gives 8 to 10 times the mileage of a standard carburetor. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec. 26, 1966 J1-A,10 CARBURETION, SCHWARTZ, Pat.#3294381 Harold Schwartz gets a Patent for a high mileage Vaporizer Carburetor that he claims to be 100% efficient with virtually no exhaust pollutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1968 J1-A,1 CARBURETION, FORD MOTOR CO. FORD MOTOR CO. begins experiments fwith an engine that has a new kind of combustion chamber. A 430 cub. inch is tested and runs very well on a 26:1 air/gas mixture. Estimate possible production by 1985. (see 1985) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Early 1970’s B1-B,3 CARBURETION, KENDIG A young college student (name unknown), entered his Mercury “gas hog” in the California Air Pollution car race and won hands down. He was using the KENDIG Variable Venturi carburetor that a small company (name unknown), manufactured in Los Angeles for racing cars. Within a week the student was told to remove the carburetor since it wasn’t approved by the Air Resources Board (ARB). His car had reduced pollution and doubled the gas mileage (for that model). (see late 1950’s) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970’s B1-B,6 ALCOHOL The U.S. Army’s Nalick Laboratories in Massachusetts discovered and developed certain fungi which could convert a wide variety of cellulose into the sugars necessary for producing alcohol. Using the fungi to reduce paper scrap, they could produce 65 gals. of high grade alcohol from one ton of scrap. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr. 4, 1972 J1-A,6 CARBURETION, TUCKER, Pat.#3653643 Oliver M. Tucker gets a Patent for a high mileage Vaporizer Carburetion System. This is the basic type that La Pan used as mentioned in Mechanics Illustrated. (see 1974) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1973 J1-A,1 CARBURETION, SHELL OIL CO. At the Annual SHELL OIL Companies employees contest, a highly modified 1959 Opel sets the record with 376.59 mpg at Wood River, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 B1-B,3 CARBURETION, DRESSERATOR Dresser Company SELLS OUT to Holley Carburetor and FORD MOTOR CO. Lester Berriman spent 5 years designing and testing the “Dresserator” carburetor for Dresser Co. which used a super-accurate mixture control to obtain a 22:1 mixture. Pollution standards were passed along with a typical gain of 18% mpg. ------------------------------------------------------------------- May, 1974 B1-B,6 GAS/WATER ADDITIVE John Andrews, a Portugese chemist, demonstrated a water to gas additive before Navy officials which allowed ordinary water to be added to gasoline without decreasing the combustability of the gas and would drive the cost of gasoline down to 2 cents per gallon. When Navy officials finally went to his lab to negotiate for the formula, they found Andrews missing and his lab ransacked. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid 1970’s B1-B,3 CARBURETION, FRANCH, KRAFT Guido F. Franch demonstrates a water-to-gas miracle to the chemists at HAVOLINE Chemical Co., MI, and to the University of Michigan. Using a “green powder” starting agent derived from soaking coal in a liquid (unnamed), he cold make water operate a car better than gasoline. He said he learned this process from a coal miner named Alexander Kraft over 50 years before. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 J1-A,1 CARBURETION, La Pan An article from Mechanix Illustrated about “Humidifier type fuel systems” tells of a man by the name of La Pan who claims to get from 60 to 100 mpg with his system. Mechanics Illust. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1976 J1-A,1 CARBURETION A modified Ford Pinto equipped with a turbocharged Nissan diesel engine is tested and gets up to 80 mpg. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1977 J1-A,1 CARBURETION Tom Ogle of El Paso, TX, claims to have gotten 100 mpg on a 1970 Ford Galaxie with a V-8 engine. The Ford used only 2 gals. of gas on a trip from El Paso, TX, to Demming, NM, roundtrip! His Vapor Fuel System eliminates the carburetor and has no exhaust polution emission! -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1978 J1-A,1 CARBURETION The Flex Gas Vaporizer (as advertised in national magazines) and sells for a reasonable price, claims to double gas mileage on most any car and gets 110 mpg on some! ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1979 J1-A,1 CARBURETION Ralph Moody, Jr., of Oak Hill, FL, gets 84 mpg from his modified Ford Capri which has been equipped with a turbocharged 4 cylinder Perkins diesel engine. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1980 J1-A,27 CARBURETION, POGUE Mr. Arthur C. Sgrignoli, after 45 yrs., has built a legendary POGUE carburetor by hand and is said to have achieved an efficiency of 86%. Contact was made thru his brother, William J. Sgrignoli. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan. , 1981 J1-A,29 POGUE, Charles N. As of January, Charles N. Pogue is still alive at age 81 and is living in a rest home in Winnipeg, Canada. He refuses to talk to anyone or to receive visitors from outside his own family. (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,29 CARBURETION, POGUE ULTRA-LEAN CARBURETORS of Northridge, CA, is selling a set of plans for the POGUE carburetor for $50. (This price is to high). (see 1/7/36) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,28-29 CARBURETION, WALLACE Allan Wallaces’ experimental carburetor gets 30 mpg at a speed of 55 mph for 60 miles. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,29 CARBURETION, SHELL MOTOR OIL CO. At SHELL MOTOR OIL Mileage Marathon, Great Britain, a new world record is set at 1368 mpg on a specially built three-wheeler with a 90cc engine using the “sprint & coast” method. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 J1-A,29 CARBURETION, OGLE Tom Ogle SOLD OUT his high mileage carburetor to ADVANCE FUEL SYSTEMS of Seattle, WA, for $250,000 while still retaining 20% interest in his device that got 100 mpg on a 1970 Ford. (see 1977) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1985 J1-A,1 CARBURETION Well, the 1968 FORD MOTOR CO. high-mileage carburetor (26:1) isn’t on the market yet. I wonder what happened? (see 1968) Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jul 4 10:55:22 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25559; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FYI X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A book on Electromagnetic Fields and health concerns: Power Frequency Magnetic Fields and Public Health ------------------------------------------------- by William F. Horton and Saul Goldberg The prospect that electromagnetic fields (EMFs) may foster disease is an alarming thought - one which raises a multitude of serious questions. This new book addresses these questions, bringing together in a single reference source the scientific background, current status of health research, and means to reduce the impact of EMFs in our environment. Information is provided on policies and procedures related to human interaction with magnetic fields. The authors describe the concept of prudent avoidance, emphasising its value as a tool in the design, construction and valuation of homes, offices, retail facilities, and factories. The book provides theory, computer simulation results, measured data, and recommendations for magnetic field management, some of which are useful as a power system design and construction resource. Catalog no. 9420 1995, 288 pp., $59.95, ISBN: 0-8493-9420-1 CRC Press, Inc. 2000 Corporate Blvd. N.W. Boca Raton, FL 33431 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jul 4 17:11:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA26022; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607042357.QAA24593@mail.eskimo.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: paula@southconn.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Help With Archive X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Its been almost two months since I have been on list - can anyone give he help where I can get archive (if available) 0696arch, would like to ftp, and don't have path....hope this makes sense.... NOte: This archive is not available at the web page the archive there ends at 0596arch.....steve steve&paula opelc....paula@southconn.com `[1;30;45mNet-Tamer V 1.04 - Registered From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jul 4 18:32:08 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07904; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <960704211935_149163898@emout13.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: RMCarrell@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Those interest in HAARP might do well to check out and read carefully the Navy's HAARP web site at http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/haarpindex/html. The radiated energy capability is about a gigawatt, which sounds like a lot, but distributed over the effective beam width at the ionosphere, it is much less than what is already there from the solar charged particles channeled by the Earth's magnetic field. At the wavelengths involved, the HAARP pulse is not ionizing, but it can interact with the ionized gases already there. It is true that ionosphere changes can affect radio transmission and produce power surges in long distance transmission lines, but it takes the Sun to produce such effects, not a firefly like HAARP. It is also probable that a high altitude nuclear weapon exploded at the right place could produce an electromagnetic pulse which would disrupt and damage electronic equipment hooked to trasmission lines, which would act as antennas to receive the pulse -- this is the gimmick in the recent Bond film "Goldeneye", but it sure wouldn't blow up a site like the movie special effects team did. HAARP's purpose is to study the ionosphere and its work is unclassified. Even though it can "ping" the ionosphere, its punch is so feeble that it will take sophisticated instrumentation to separate HAARP's effects from the noise already there. Mike Carrell From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 5 00:17:28 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18085; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Alexander V. Frolov" To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: One of results of the conference NEW IDEAS IN NATURAL SCIENCES St.-Petersburg, 17-22 June 1996 Prof. Kanarev, Krasnodar, Russia, reported on his cold fusion concept and experimental results, had contact with people from USA ( Dr. Ernst ) and now there is plan for translating of Kanarev's book from Russian in English and for making of device for demonstartion of Kanarev's experiment in Japan, Oct.-Nov.,1996 in process of cold fusion conference. Financial aspect for translating and creation of the device is provided by american partner. Dr. Gruber, Germany, keep contact with Prof. Kanarev in the testing aspect for the effect is described by Kanarev in Germany. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 5 01:09:56 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA23608; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960705075716.00716154@bahnhof.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: David Jonsson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kanarev cold fusion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 12:11 AM 7/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >One of results of the conference NEW IDEAS IN NATURAL SCIENCES >St.-Petersburg, 17-22 June 1996 > >Prof. Kanarev, Krasnodar, Russia, reported on his cold fusion >concept and experimental results, had contact with people from >USA ( Dr. Ernst ) and now there is plan for translating of >Kanarev's book from Russian in English and for making of device >for demonstartion of Kanarev's experiment in Japan, Oct.-Nov.,1996 He has already translated one book "On the physics of the 21'st century" which he sells for $50. Prof Kanarev can be reached at esin@kccc.kuban.su He has also one more recent book that I don't remember the title of. This is not translated. David David Jonsson Phone +46-18-24 51 52 Fax +46-8-681 20 66 Cellular GSM +46-706-339487 E-mail david@bahnhof.se Uppsala, Sweden Web: http://bahnhof.se/~david Postgiro 499 40 54-7 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 5 05:20:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA10808; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607051414.OAA05572@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Conference in St. Petersburg X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: further to my post of 28 june, regarding the conference in St. Petersburg, I just saw that there is a (limited) video recording available from A. Frolov. Here is his announcement: -Josef ------------------------------ Dear Sir, 12 hours video materials on the conference New Ideas in Natural Sciences, St.-Petersburg, 17-23 June 1996, are ready for sale. Please, send the order for copy by email postmaster@frolov.spb.ru. Format is PAL! Sound is "on life" in Russian and in English as it was in the process of the conference. Paper in English that explane "who is who" in the video tape is included. The price is USD 200 for one set of 4 tapes ( 4 x 3 = 12 ) ........................................................................... postmaster@frolov.spb.ru Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it check out my home page: http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 5 22:57:34 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA12324; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607060542.WAA24862@ns2.indirect.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Reed Huish To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FYI Free Energy Movie X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Often movies preceed reality. Later this summer, a movie called 'Chain Reaction' will hit the theaters. It's obviously a must see for all of us, as the theme centers around free energy. Big name actors & a well known director are part of this high-budget flik. Also, the sequel to the Celestine Prophecy (NY Times Bestseller) called The Tenth Insight is about free energy. Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jul 6 00:23:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA22771; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607060717.AAA27592@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Dennis C. Lee" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.txt X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: But what about using a Cloudbuster to dissipate a tornado? Regards; Dennis C. Lee http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.txt > File Name : CLOUDBST.ASC > Online Date : 02/24/96 > Contributed by : Chuck Henderson > Dir Category : ECOLOGY > From : KeelyNet BBS > DataLine : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 > > A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences > InterNet www.keelynet.com email jdecker@keelynet.com (Jerry Decker) > Files also available at Bill Beaty's http://www.eskimo.com/~billb > > The concerns expressed in this EXCELLENT file are precisely why KeelyNet will > NOT post construction details on Cloudbusters, general weather modification > techniques or weapons for large scale destruction. > > Our global ecology already has more than enough problems from pollution, > deforestation and faulty land management without compounding sensitive > ecosystems through irresponsible and indiscriminate redirection of moisture by > using cloudbuster principles. > > Some things are better left alone at the current stage of human evolution and > responsible people will understand and support this position. > > Eventually, a coordinated research project will be put together by responsible > people who understand the need for a biologist in the project. Until such a > project is properly organized and financed, we agree with Mr. Carlinsky that > the Cloudbuster technology should NOT be indiscriminately and randomly > experimented with or otherwise promoted. > > There are people who will call this attitude - suppression of information. > Rational thinkers will understand that this is not the case in the least > since such information is out there for those who seek it. Our concerns > are the indiscriminate promotion of information which will negatively affect > our environment when used in an uncoordinated and thoughtless fashion. > > KeelyNet does not wish to play a part in the destruction that could be > unleashed by such irresponsible actions. > >>> Jerry Decker & Chuck Henderson > > ORGONOMY PEDDLERS, CLOUDBUSTING, AND THE ENVIRONMENT > by Joel Carlinsky > > Wilhelm Reich, in his book, "The Murder of Christ" spoke of the harm done to > the cause of freedom by irresponsible "Freedom Peddlers" and warned about the > possibility that his own work would be similarly usurped by "Orgonomy > Peddlers" who would use it in harmful ways. > > As with so much Reich said, this warning has been ignored by many people > favorably disposed toward Reich and his work, many of whom are supporting and > encouraging individuals whose reckless and irresponsible misuse of Reich's > discoveries and incompetent and misguided efforts to "prove Reich right" are > causing serious ecological damage. > > I wish to make clear that the criticism that follows is not directed at Reich > and his theories, but only at the actions of certain present-day Reichians > whom I regard as incompetent and irresponsible "Orgonomy Peddlers" of the type > Reich warned about. I specifically am not contesting the facts of orgone > biophysics, but the misguided application of those facts by one group of > proponents of Reich's work, specifically, Dr. James DeMeo and his associates. > > I am convinced that Dr. DeMeo and his associates are doing a great deal of > harm to the environment and innocent members of the public as well as hurting > the long-term prospects for serious investigation of Reich's discoveries by > ill-conceived cloudbusting operations conducted without proper ecological > knowledge or concern for the environment. > > Dr.DeMeo's obsessive compulsion to convert unbelievers and his need to gather > statistics has resulted in devastation to ecosystems and the (possible) deaths > of numerous people due to storms, floods, and freezing weather. > > In 1989, DeMeo, then living in the San Francisco Bay area, conducted a series > of cloudbusting operations in the Arizona desert. As recounted in his article > in "The Journal of Orgonomy", he first visited Arizona in March, two months > before the rainy season starts, and within 3 days had produced rain. > > He subsequently visited Arizona one weekend each month during the 5-month > rainy season and brought rain each time for a seasonal total of 5 times the > normal rainfall for the area in which he was working. > > Now, in any area with a well-defined wet season and dry season, all native > plant and animal species are adapted to the normal dry season and need it. > > Small burrowing mammals such as pocket mice, kangaroo rats, gophers, etc. give > birth underground in the dry season; if it rains unexpectedly at the wrong > time of year, the burrows flood and the infants drown; reptiles such as > snakes, lizards, the desert tortoise, which is on the endangered species list, > the gila monster, found only in Arizona, lay their eggs in the dry season > under a thin coat of sand, just enough to hide them but allow the sun to > incubate them. > > If it rains out of season, the sand is washed away and they lose a clutch of > eggs. These small mammals and reptiles are the base of the food chain and if > their population crashes so will that of the owls, coyotes, badgers, and other > predators that depend on them. > > In "Contact With Space", Reich described exactly what he did in Arizona. He > spent 5 months in the desert. He drove 100 miles every day just to familiarize > himself with the landscape so he could note any changes in it. By contrast, > James DeMeo lived in Northern California and commuted to the desert one > weekend a month. > > After 5 months of patient work, Reich succeeded in obtaining a lush growth of > grass WITHOUT A DROP OF RAIN HAVING FALLEN. That's right! Reich, according > to his own report, did not create rain in the desert and did not want to! > > In fact, he explicitly says that rain would have made it impossible to obtain > the increase in plant growth he did obtain, since it would have drowned the > developing vegetation. Reich's goal, in which he was successful only after 5 > months of patient daily labor, was not to make rain, but to revive the > stagnant energy field of the desert to the point where it could regulate > itself and produce rain at its own times, not according to some man-made > schedule. > > DeMeo misses this point entirely. He produces rain on an artificial schedule > only to create impressive charts and graphs, ignoring the catastrophic effects > of 5 times normal rainfall on all plant and animal species, and then, totally > disregarding what Reich plainly said, claims to have "replicated" Reich's work > in the desert. > > He repeatly refers to "Reich's rainmaking expedition" and to Reich "making > rain in the desert" when in fact Reich specifically said he did not do so. > > In more recent years DeMeo has undertaken two trips to Namibia to break > droughts there with a cloudbuster. He also trained local operators and left > equipment with them so that Namibia now has a permanent drought-abatement > program in place. Under normal conditions -- normal for the last 5-6000 years, > that is -- Southern Africa has a regular cycle of 3 or 4 good years followed > by a drought year. > > In the dry years, the prevailing winds pick up millions of tons of dust and > carry it out over the ocean. About half of it falls into the ocean where it > provides silica and phosphates -- essential nutrients -- to the phytoplankton > which are the base of the marine ecosystem food chain. > > So in years when Southern Africa has droughts, life in the South Atlantic > flourishes and in years Southern Africa has good rains, the South Atlantic > marine life dies back. The remainder of the dust is carried over to Brazil, > where it is the sole source of trace elements not found in Brazilian soils > which are essential nutrients for many tropical rainforest plant species. > > Like the sea-life, the Brazilian rainforest therefore flourishes in years when > Namibia has a drought and declines in years when Namibia has plenty of rain. > By establishing a permanent drought abatement facility in Namibia, DeMeo has > caused irreparable harm to the global environment. He simply doesn't know -- > or care -- anything about ecology. > > In another case of ecological ignorance and irresponsibility, he reports in > one of his publications that to make up a water deficit during a recent series > of dry years in California, he extended the rainy season by a month one year > and 6 weeks another year. > > I have spoken to a biologist at the Point Reyes Bird Observatory who tells me > that in both years in question they lost a significant percentage of baby > birds due to inclement weather during the normally dry nesting season. Baby > birds get pneumonia in wet weather. Incidentally, some of the birds affected > were on the endangered species list. > > DeMeo has also done cloudbusting operations in the Middle East. I have > documentation in my files showing numerous deaths of people in the region as a > result of catastrophic weather during this period. > > Lest I seem to be singling Dr. DeMeo out for exceptionally harsh treatment, > some of his associates are just as unaware of ecology and almost as harmful to > the environment. DeMeo is the leader of a group called the C.O.R.E. (for > Cosmic Orgone Engineering) network. Another member of the group, Mr. John > Schleining, has taken it upon himself to play Smokey the Bear and stop forest > fires in Oregon in recent years. > > According to their own reports published in the "Journal of Orgonomy", they > have caused up to 2.5 inches of rain in a dry summer month which normally has > about .25 inch. This is not drought relief; it is blatant disruption. The > time to break a years-long drought is in the normal rainy season, not in what > is normally the dry season. > > Despite what Smokey told these people in grade school, natural wildfires have > an important role in forest life-cycles and should not be prevented. They open > up stands of trees so some can grow, recycle nutrients back into the soil, > help some kinds of seeds germinate, and clear away underbrush that would > otherwise accumulate enough in several years to cause an eventual really > disastrous fire. > > By meddling in normal forest fire cycles, Schleining and Nagy are following > an outmoded fire-suppression policy which the Forest Service now realizes was > a mistake and has abandoned. > > According to the same report in the "Journal of Orgonomy", the cloudbuster was > also used to prevent fire in another way besides increasing rainfall: it was > used to decrease the number of lightning strikes in the area. Now, aside from > its role in creating useful and necessary fires, lightning fixes atmospheric > nitrogen into compounds plants can utilize. > > For plant species that lack a symbiotic nitrogen-fixing bacteria on their > roots, including many temperate-zone forest trees, lightning plays an > essential role as a source of fertilizer, so this application of the > cloudbuster, far from benefiting the environment, amounts to mere vandalism of > Oregon's forests. > > Cloudbusting, to be carried out in a responsible manner, requires an ecologist > as part of the team. > > Otherwise, even with a thorough knowledge of orgonomy and best intentions, > harm will result. For any large-scale or long-term project, an environmental > impact study prepared by an ecologist familiar with the area is a must. This > is standard procedure nowadays for all government agencies and large > corporations; without it, cloudbusting is just another environmental problem. > It will not help orgonomy to become known as a form of pollution. > > Although at early stages of his cloudbusting work, Reich did use terms like > "engineering" and "weather control", by the end of his career he had > superseded such concepts and, drawing the analogy of the difference between a > dictator and a guide, stressed that the function of cloudbusting is not to > control weather in a dictatorial manner, but to remove blockages that obstruct > normal atmospheric functioning and restore the ability of the atmosphere to > regulate itself. > > Cloudbusting in Reich's concept is not technology, but atmospheric medicine; > the healing of a sick atmosphere to restore atmospheric self-regulation, after > which it should be left alone. People who use terms like "weather control" and > "engineering" to describe cloudbusting miss the point entirely. Reich was very > clear on this point. > > DOR fields -- some natural, some caused by nuclear and/or electromagnetic > technology -- obstruct normal atmospheric conditions. The cloudbuster can and > should be used to remove such obstacles and heal the atmosphere. It should not > be used to impose an artificial, man-made climate regime for political or > economic purposes. > > In his promotional literature, Dr. DeMeo speaks glowingly of his wish to > "green the worlds' deserts" and "turn barren deserts into lush pastures." But > what he thinks of as "barren" deserts are in fact complex and fragile dryland > ecosystems composed of hundreds of plant and animal species that are well- > adapted to their dry habitat over thousands of years. > > Artifically increasing rainfall to the point of creating "lush pastures" will > doom many of them to extinction. The increase in pasturage of the type that > will support domestic cattle will result in the exploitation for cattle > grazing of habitat of many native life-forms now protected by the fact that > they live in regions too dry for humans to exploit. > > Cattle grazing, and the land-degradation it causes, is a major cause of > wildlife extinctions and ongoing desertification in much of the world, > including much of the desertification that Dr. DeMeo wrongly ascribes to > atmospheric stasis. A short-sighted program to green the world's deserts will > only result in a further impoverished biosphere. > > It should be noted that although there are no laws specifically regulating > cloudbusting, The National Environmental Policy Act requires that any project > that will affect the environment prepare a environmental impact study > and have a means -- such as public hearings -- by which members of the public > can voice objections and exercise some input into decisions that can affect > their lives. > > The Endangered Species Act prohibits any project that would destroy members of > a listed species or their habitat. And The Wilderness Act prohibits any action > that would modify the natural conditions of a designated wilderness area, > which in the Western United States would be impossible to avoid, given the > extent of the area covered by a typical cloudbusting operation. > > The authorities, of course, make no effort to enforce such laws in the case of > cloudbusting because they regard it as ineffective. It is extremely > hypocritical to take advantage of their disbelief to violate laws with > impunity while simultaneously denouncing them for their refusal to believe in > the cloudbuster's effectiveness. In spite of the failure of the environmental > protection to enforce the laws, those laws are reasonable and justified for > the protection of the environment and a responsible person who cares about the > Earth and its creatures would voluntarily comply. > > I have harshly criticized Dr. DeMeo and his associates, but I have tried to > make my criticisms substantive. In the past, Dr. DeMeo and his friends have > responded to criticisms by name-calling and personal attacks on the alleged > motivations, affiliations, character, psychiatric condition, lifestyle, > criminal history, and previous publications of the critic, all of which is > totally irrelevant. > > DeMeo also tends to confuse any attack on his own work with an attack on Reich > and orgone theory in general and frequently responds with a recital of the > wrongs inflicted on Reich by the F.D.A. 40 years ago. I therefore want to > point out that ad hominum attacks and rehashing old grievances will hardly > constitute a rebuttal to the specific criticisms I have made. > > There are several excellent sources of information on Reich and orgonomy other > than James DeMeo and his clique. For example, an expensive but very good > correspondence course in orgone physics is available from Dr. Charles Kelly, > 13715 S.E. 36th Street, Vancouver, WA 98684. Dr. Kelly was a student of Reich > in the 1950s and a former meteorologist. His course, while rather expensive is > probably the best systematic presentation of Reich's physics available. > > I am available for consultation and would welcome correspondence from anyone > who wants information on orgonomy or has anything to say on the subject. > Comments on issues raised in this article are invited. > > Joel Carlinsky > 6 Pond Road > Hawley, MA 01339 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jul 6 03:28:01 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA04261; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607061023.MAA27126@bure.abc.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: conny.ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FYI X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >A book on Electromagnetic Fields and health concerns: > > Power Frequency Magnetic Fields and Public Health > ------------------------------------------------- > by William F. Horton and Saul Goldberg > >... A Swedish well known dowser who have done some research in natures harmonic frequences and come to the conclution that the time 1 second is _not_ a harmonic frequence/time ! The line frequence is a multi- tude of this 1 second. He says that if the time was to slow down 6 seconds per 24 hours, then the time would indeed be harmonic. He (the dowser) can measure a persons aura with a dowsing-rod, and a persons with electricity-allergy _vearing_ a wristclock is affected by the fact that he is vearing the clock. If the clock is readjusted to slow down 6 seconds per 24 hours, then the aura of the person is returned to normal. exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; Email: conny.ohstrom@abc.se HTTP://WWW.ABC.SE/~M10190/ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jul 6 10:53:56 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14210; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607061736.KAA12516@primenet.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: topmind@primenet.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FYI Free Energy Movie X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:48:59 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: Reed Huish > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: FYI Free Energy Movie > Reed Huish > Zenergy Corporation > 390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 > Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com Can you tell me a little more about Zenergy? What is it you do? Stephen Rosenthal 11773 North McKelvey Clovis, CA 93611 209.323.9006 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 7 03:13:45 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA00560; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607071200.MAA08697@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: water & f/e X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Any information, http sites, journals, files or articles on the >subject of water having extra energy and homeopathic effects (displaying >chem effects at extremly low conc. of solute) would be greatly >appreciated. I'm considering doing some experiements here at U of W... >Some background info and starting points for research would be greatly >appreciated. > >Thanx > >John Lotoski Hello John, I just found the above message going through my stacked up (so to speak) electronic mail. You might want to try visiting my home page, there is an article or two on water having more energy when allowed to run in a vortex pattern. Regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it check out my home page: http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 7 03:16:11 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA00819; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607071200.MAA08724@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Thermodynamics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >I want to build homepage with a solid disscussion about a certain >topic. To start this discussion I will ask a question. > Hi Scott, you will probably find a lot of data on thermodynamics. If you are interested in an alternative view, that is not in agreement with what is currently being taught, see my home page, specifically an article on thermodynamics. The address of my page is in my sig. - Josef Josef Hasslberger Rampa Brancaleone 25, 00165 Rome, Italy j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it check out my home page: http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 7 17:12:41 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02868; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Aaron Young To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Interns, slaves, assistants, same thing! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: To the subscribers of the free energy list, I am a sophmore at Antioch College studying physics who wants to become involved in free energy and antigravity research. I have worked with John Schnurer at Antioch, who helped make me aware of these avenues of research. If any of you have any ideas or information which help me in my search I would be extremely grateful. Thank you for taking the time to consider this missive. Sincerely, Aaron Young From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 8 16:26:16 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA14652; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607082214.AAA24421@bure.abc.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: conny.ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: voltage&frequence X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In the book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy", by Moray B. King, the talk about _if_ one could convert a signal of high frequence with a low amplitude to a low frequence with a high amplitude, then a big part of the problem of harnessing the ZPE would be solved. Then I wonder: how should this be done? In a US patent (#2,459,809 J.E.GORHAM 'High Power Pulse Generator) I found the following schematic, which I have doubled, feels to like it have some resemblance with the famous TESLAFE powerbox that N Tesla powered a Pierce Arrow around 1930. Antenna # | D1 Out- +--|<|--Z--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+---# | |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | | C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C | | \| \| \| \| \| | +--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+ | | | GND | D2 Out+ +--|>|--Z--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+---# |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C | \| \| \| \| \| +--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+ | GND S-G = Spark Gap. Well, could this be a way to collect the 'noise' to converted to usable energy? exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; Email: conny.ohstrom@abc.se HTTP://WWW.ABC.SE/~M10190/ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 8 22:36:56 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26280; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607090400.AA64476@holly.ColoState.EDU> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Rice To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Circuit files/zips X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Greetings To All! Introduction: Student, Metalsmith artist, investigator and researcher. Interest: Too damn many. Many inline with this list. Strongest relation is likely with the possible application of several of the Weird and Not-So-Weird designs in the investigation of anomalous phenomenon(a) as related to ESP, OBE, and UFOs. (Would you believe that I was in the military? :) Example: Scalar detection device. I have failed many times to recover the gifs, and other files connected with this work at Bill's website. I confess to poverty and the ownership and an antique PC, (I figured out that 'SX' means 'sucks'). Anyone interested in posting to this nut, please email me directly. I am interested in any and all comments and suggestions, along with related information. Thank you for your time and consideration! Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 9 06:20:27 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA21458; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607091258.AA51404@uu1611.prelude.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: d.powell@prelude.com (Don Powell) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: voltage&frequence X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Ok, I know that C = capacitor and L = Inductor and GND = Ground and you explained S-G but what is Z? Also what values should we be using for the L-C bridges? and what about the diodes? Given the placement of the diodes I would assume just a diode with very low voltage drop (germainium?). Thanks for the circuit, I will be building one as soon as I know the numbers. > >Antenna ># >| D1 Out- >+--|<|--Z--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+---# >| |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | >| C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C >| | \| \| \| \| \| >| +--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+ >| | >| GND >| D2 Out+ >+--|>|--Z--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+---# > |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | > C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C > | \| \| \| \| \| > +--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+ > | > GND > >S-G = Spark Gap. > >Well, could this be a way to collect the 'noise' to converted to >usable energy? >exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! >Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; >SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; Email: conny.ohstrom@abc.se >HTTP://WWW.ABC.SE/~M10190/ > > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 9 10:47:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10666; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960709163349.006bfe40@bahnhof.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: David Jonsson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kanarev cold fusion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 01:06 AM 7/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:11 AM 7/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >>One of results of the conference NEW IDEAS IN NATURAL SCIENCES >>St.-Petersburg, 17-22 June 1996 >> >>Prof. Kanarev, Krasnodar, Russia, reported on his cold fusion >>concept and experimental results, had contact with people from >>USA ( Dr. Ernst ) and now there is plan for translating of >>Kanarev's book from Russian in English and for making of device >>for demonstartion of Kanarev's experiment in Japan, Oct.-Nov.,1996 > >He has already translated one book "On the physics of the 21'st century" >which he sells for $50. Prof Kanarev can be reached at esin@kccc.kuban.su The preface of this book is now available at Elektromagnum http://www.ibg.uu.se/elektromagnum/ I add it in textformat below. Also a minor face-lift of the web has occured. The history-list is now linked to the actual documents. David PREFACE THE BOOK "ON THE WAY TO THE PHYSICS OF THE XXI CENTURY" 270 pag. (in Englisch) It is know that physics is the exact science, but we don't know the models of any elementary particles for this time. More over the modern physical theories consider that we can't know anything about the structure of these particles. Will future physicists continue to accept this situation? Of course not. They will search for new appro- aches which will lead them to complete understanding of the electro- magnetic structures of photons, electrons, atoms, ions, molecules, nuclei, and other elements of the microworld. Usualy the physicists theoretics penetrate deeply into essence of the physical phenomenas. But on this way they meet a very much compli- cations and can lose their way. In this case they began to meditate about the true of the way on which they were going and told their own doubt. This was happend with the great scietists and you will read such doubt in the first chapter of my book. Then you will read about the connection between space, matter and time and see how it is realazed as unity. After that you see very cle- ar that the unity of space, matter and time isn't realised in the Lo- rent's transformations and hence these transformations haven't those physical sense which physicists relativists atteched them. This book tell you that the main reason of such situation in the theoretical physics is the absence of the undestanding of the role of the axiom of the unity of space-matter-time in the scientific percep- tion of the world. This axiom will help you to see that its role in future of science will be as the Euclidean's axioms play role now. This axiom will help you to understand as classical laws expose the model of photon and electron from the enormous dates of the expe- rimentaly spectroscopy. But in this case it is necessary to know the laws of classical mechanics, especially the essence of the moment of momentum or of the angular momentum and its vector properties. It will be surprise for you that Planck's constant has such dimenshionality too and hence it has the vector properties. You don't attempt to refute this fact as far as it follows from the nature's law. My contact with physicists show me that the most of them don't know the laws of classical mecha- nics and hence can't understand the vector properties of Planck's constant. They can't understand that they follow from its demensiona- lity and it is independent from our opinien. Please, see attentively as vector properties of Planck's constant simplify a problem of the calculation of the spectra of complex atoms and open unknown for this time the law of spectroscopy. You will see clearly the enormous role of this constant in the forming of the mic- roworld and in its behaviour. Now you can see clearly, Schrodinger's Equation represents the sci- ence of yesterday, but the new Theory of Spectroscopy is the future of science. It enable us to calculate the spectras compex atoms and it opens the good possibilities in the exposure the structures of atoms, ions and molecules. It will be surprise for you, but it follows from experimental spectroscopy that electron hasn't the orbital motion. Be- sides that when you will read the calculation of the spectra of beri- lyum or bohr atoms you will see that principle of Pauly does not work in the complex atoms. You will see clearly as the models of photon and electron help us to get the Comton's equation very simply. Besides that you can see the models of the first chimical elements. At last you will see the logical contradictions between the first, the second and the third Newton's laws and the formulating the common classical law. I had written more than one hundred consequences which follows from the axiom of the unity of space-matter-time in the end of the bo- ok. You will find out there the answers on many questions which have not the answers in modern science. I am sure that you will see clearly that this book show us the way on which physics in the XXI century will develop. I made one step on this way. All the following steps will do you, as far as you are the first foreign researchers who have serious wish to know the way to the physics of the XXI century. I am sure that you will get the vital information from this book. The continuation of the analysis of the models of nuclii, atoms, ions and moleculae in the next my book "THE CRISIS OF THE THEORETICAL PHYSICS" (in Russian) 144 pag. Dear reader, Perhaps you may want to have these books, please, send me personal check $50 or transfer $35 to: Kubanbank Krasnodar Russia /890-0061-073. The Bank of New York, New York, USA. In favor of Kanarev Philip M. V-AG No 693741. Tel. 52-20-24. My address: Ph.M. Kanarev. 11 Pushkin st. apt. 19. 350063 Krasnodar RUSSIA. Best Regards Ph.M. Kanarev. David Jonsson Phone +46-18-24 51 52 Fax +46-8-681 20 66 Cellular GSM +46-706-339487 E-mail david@bahnhof.se Uppsala, Sweden Web: http://bahnhof.se/~david Postgiro 499 40 54-7 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 9 10:48:37 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10865; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607091701.TAA13161@bure.abc.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: conny.ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: voltage&frequence X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Ok, I know that C = capacitor and L = Inductor and GND = Ground and you >explained S-G but what is Z? Also what values should we be using for the >L-C bridges? and what about the diodes? Given the placement of the diodes I >would assume just a diode with very low voltage drop (germainium?). > >Thanks for the circuit, I will be building one as soon as I know the numbers. I dont know the numbers! Z is a inductor with some kind of a core. I just could refer to the patent# 2,459,809. Im scanning/typing in the patent to be added, in full, to my homepage. My ideas why this should work is just 100% mental work. Something says to me that this has a resemblance with TESLAFE, and what Moray B. King talks about in his book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy", in the chapter about using noise as a source of energy. exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; Email: conny.ohstrom@abc.se HTTP://WWW.ABC.SE/~M10190/ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 9 15:01:05 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA27748; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607092129.OAA06499@wolves.EBay.Sun.COM> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Michael.Miller@Ebay.Sun.COM (Michael D. Miller) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > HAARP's purpose is to study the ionosphere and its work is unclassified. Even > though it can "ping" the ionosphere, its punch is so feeble that it will take > sophisticated instrumentation to separate HAARP's effects from the noise > already there. > > Mike Carrell > For the Navy to go around saying this is for research only is like politicians saying "Read my lips. No new taxes." It can do a lot more than "ping" the ionosphere, and it is only in phase I. Wait till phase II in a few years. ._-_, ... ... -=_* =- ... ... :.: : : ,'/'`\ : `' : ... : :,: .::. // : :`': : : : : :.' : :' ` _ ' ____________//_________:.:__:.:_:.:_:.:``:_`:.:_____- (_) -________ ~ ____,----/ |_ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ -' ________ `-.__ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~ _ ^ ,',---\\--\ `-.____ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ' c"} \`-____\\__\ `----.________________,-----______' ,(_). `~~~~~~~~~' michael.miller@ebay.sun.com -"- SUN MICROsystems--MIL12-04--2550 GARCIA AVE--MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94043-1100 Money is like manure: not good except it be spread. -- Francis Bacon From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 9 23:52:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA09236; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607100641.IAA02465@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > >> >> HAARP's purpose is to study the ionosphere and its work is unclassified. Even >> though it can "ping" the ionosphere, its punch is so feeble that it will take >> sophisticated instrumentation to separate HAARP's effects from the noise >> already there. >> >> Mike Carrell >> > >For the Navy to go around saying this is for research only is like politicians >saying "Read my lips. No new taxes." It can do a lot more than "ping" >the ionosphere, and it is only in phase I. Wait till phase II in a few >years. > Maybe they have already started Phase 2 ??? Over here in Berlin, Germany the weather is horrible cold and it rains all the time..... What a "nice" summer in July !! We never had such cold July months in the last years....!!! Maybe we all should stop HAARP ! Regards, Stefan. > ._-_, ... ... > -=_* =- ... ... :.: : : > ,'/'`\ : `' : ... : :,: .::. > // : :`': : : : : :.' : :' ` _ ' >____________//_________:.:__:.:_:.:_:.:``:_`:.:_____- (_) -________ >~ ____,----/ |_ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ >-' ________ `-.__ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~ _ ^ > ,',---\\--\ `-.____ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ' c"} > \`-____\\__\ `----.________________,-----______' ,(_). > `~~~~~~~~~' michael.miller@ebay.sun.com -"- >SUN MICROsystems--MIL12-04--2550 GARCIA AVE--MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94043-1100 > >Money is like manure: not good except it be spread. -- Francis Bacon > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 10 08:40:00 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA15395; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607101459.QAA07970@bure.abc.se> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: conny.ohstrom@abc.se (Conny Ohstrom) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: voltage&frequence X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >In the book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy", by Moray B. King, the talk >about _if_ one could convert a signal of high frequence with a >low amplitude to a low frequence with a high amplitude, then a big part >of the problem of harnessing the ZPE would be solved. >Then I wonder: how should this be done? > >In a US patent (#2,459,809 J.E.GORHAM 'High Power Pulse Generator) I found >the following schematic, which I have doubled, feels to like it have some >resemblance with the famous TESLAFE powerbox that N Tesla powered a >Pierce Arrow around 1930. > >Antenna ># >| D1 Out- >+--|<|--Z--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+---# >| |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | >| C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C >| | \| \| \| \| \| >| +--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+ >| | >| GND >| D2 Out+ >+--|>|--Z--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+---# > |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | > C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C S-G C > | \| \| \| \| \| > +--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+--L--+ > | > GND > >S-G = Spark Gap. > >Well, could this be a way to collect the 'noise' to converted to >usable energy? I have the mentioned US patent scanned/typed in! You can find at my homepage that is mentioned in my .signature exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se HTTP://WWW.ABC.SE/~M10190/ From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jul 11 08:50:18 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA27421; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607110817.aa02932@dt.desertelcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Lance Ellinghaus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HAARP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: What is HAARP?? What is it susposed to do? What are the different phases? Thank you, Lance -- Lance Ellinghaus lance@deserTelcom.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 14 09:02:08 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA17809; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 08:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 08:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607141550.AA25004@holly.ColoState.EDU> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Rice To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Gradiometer X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Greetings to All, I have questions concerning Robert Shannon's Gradiometer. Is he on the list? If not, has anyone else built and used this gizmo? It sounds very interesting and I would like to learn more. Thanks! Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 16 17:23:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA15587; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607151959.AA43266@holly.ColoState.EDU> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Rice To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Wayne Rowland??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Greetings, Does anyone on the list know of a Wayne Rowland? I just recieved a flyer annoucing a lecture, 17 July, to be given by same, an "inventor of frequency technology, and free energy devices that go beyond Nicola Tesla's insights. He is also a writer, lecturer, and visionary intuitive." Gee Whezz!!! He is better than Tesla!!! And the price for the lecture is right, FREE. Please, someone tell me that he is not a nut. Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 16 21:50:53 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA05076; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SAP Tube (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Ossie Callanan The Self Accelerating Plasma Tube (SAP Tube) Anyone who has recieved the latest New Energy News newsletter should have also recieved an additional advertisement by Stefan Marinov titled, "MARINOV: ANNUS HORRIBILIS", which accompanied the newsletter and also appeared in the March 28th 1996 issue of Nature magazine. Basically it is an update of his scalar magnetic field theories and devices which appeared on page 299 of the proceedings from the May 1994 Symposium on New Energy. In this paper I would like to bring to your attention one of his devices he calls the SIBERIAN COLIU. Following is a small extract from the advertisement which describes its components in principle. "A cylindrical magnet is cut along one of its axial planes and the one half is turned up-down (the magnetic forces themselves do the rotation). Around this magnet, there is a trough filled with mercury in which the copper ring which can be seen at right swims (the children take salt solution and suspend the ring on threads). After sending a current of some tens of amperes from the battery at left, which is regulated by the rheostat, the ring begins to rotate. That's all!" Circuit: Cylinder magnet in center Copper ring rotates clockwise \ __---__/ _/ __ __ \_ / / | \ \ ---->---->---| | N | S | |--->---->---- | \_ \__|__/ _/ | | \__ __/ | | --- | | | | | | | ----<----<-------| | | |-------<----<---- | | Battery According to his theories, you can do the reverse. Rotate the copper ring clockwise and it will generate power in the same direction of current flow. Yes I said the same direction. Marinov has demonstrated and proved this in his devices. What this means, and as he explains, is that working as a motor or a generator, there is no opposing torque to the direction of rotation and hence the device becomes "Self Accellerating" and as long as you draw power from it, it will power itself. There is one barrier when constructing this as a mechanical device and that is friction. Due to the low torques generated, friction halts the self accellerating process but its seems that Marinov has overcome this and implies that he has a SIBERIAN COLIU working as a PERPETUUM MOBILE and will soon present this at a press conference. It soon comes to mind that if his theories are true and his device is indeed doing what he explains then surely there must be a way to tap this energy in a more efficient way than a crudely inefficient electro mechanical device. I believe I have come up with such a way and device. I have been able to do so by deriving an analogy of Marinov's Scalar Magnetic Theory to the rotation of the Earth. If the Earth were a spherical magnet with the same field properties as that of Marinov's cylinder magnet, and the sun constantly supplied electrons just like that of the battery, then the Earth's ionosphere and crust would act like the copper ring and rotate. If this is so, no wonder that satelite tether was vaporised. It would have been tapping into an unimaginable amount of energy that was keeping the earth in perpetual rotation. You can bet NASA never heard of Marinov's theories. >From this analogy it then becomes easy to imagine an efficient device with no moving parts that may utilise Scalar magnetism to derive free energy and power itself. All that would be required is to replace the copper ring with an ionised gas plasma that may be contained in a sealed tube in the shape of a donut of which the cylinder magnet will then be placed in the hole. Two metal conductors shall be placed at oppossing ends on the outside of the donut tube of which their axis will be at right angles to the cut plane of the cylinder magnet. When a DC current is placed on the electrodes and the gas is ionised, it will become conductive (maybe even superconductive). This will cause the gas to rotate inside its donut tube (according to Marinov's theory). This will inturn generate more current in the same direction of the applied current flow and the device will become self generating and the excess power may be fed to a load. See Diagram Below: Ionising gas in donut tube-"x" \ _______ Donut shaped gas containment Cylinder magnet in centre \__/ x \__ / tube \ _/ x __---__ x \_ Metal Conductor __ / x _/ __ __ \_ x \ Metal conductor electrode electrode \ / x / / | \ \ x \ / ---->----|- | | N | S | | -|---->---- | \ x \_ \__|__/ _/ x / | | \_ x \__ __/ x _/ | | \_ x --- x _/ | | \__ x __/ | | ----- | | Changover | | | | Switch | |---<----<-------| | | |---0/--0----<---| | | | | | | Ionising Current Source | | | | | \_ | ----<----<-----/\/\/\/\----0 \0----<---- Load Changeover Switch As can be seen above, there are no mechanical parts and hence, no friction to over come so even the smallest amount of torque on the gas plasma will soon accellerate to very large amounts as determined by the amount of current the load draws. I believe other successful vacuume tube energy devices of the past must have worked by utilising the same principles. T. Henry Moray was quoted as saying the amount of energy his device produced was determined by the load he placed on it. The more load he connected, the device powered with no problems. This is inherent in the working principle of the above device. If anyone experiments with the above mentioned device, it will be appreciated if the results are forwarded to me via Keelynet or at mathew3@netspace.net.au. All comments, questions and critique welcome... Regards, Ossie Callanan From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 01:55:11 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06375; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6D3OBvO9ldB@ddd.snafu.de> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@ddd.snafu.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Finsrud Perpetual Motion update ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I just updated my Finsrud page. Have a look at it and the new pictures: http://www.overunity.de/finsrud.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de or harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 04:55:27 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA19226; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607171345.NAA19518@agora.stm.it> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wayne Rowland??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Greetings, >Does anyone on the list know of a Wayne Rowland? I just recieved a >flyer annoucing a lecture, 17 July, to be given by same, an >"inventor of frequency technology, and free energy devices that go beyond >Nicola Tesla's insights. He is also a writer, lecturer, and visionary >intuitive." >Gee Whezz!!! He is better than Tesla!!! And the price for the lecture is >right, FREE. >Please, someone tell me that he is not a nut. > >Thomas A. Rice I suppose the best would be to go and see. Let us know what you find out. Regards -Josef From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 07:59:19 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA14661; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Tony Rusi To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wayne Rowland??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: where is this meeting going to be? From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 08:58:10 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA23263; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607171531.AA75156@holly.ColoState.EDU> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Rice To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wayne Rowland??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:45:14 -0600 (MDT) >From: Steve Ekwall >To: Thomas Rice >Subject: Re: Wayne Rowland??? > >On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Thomas Rice wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:17:54 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Thomas Rice >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Wayne Rowland??? >> >> Greetings, >> Does anyone on the list know of a Wayne Rowland? I just recieved a >> flyer annoucing a lecture, 17 July, to be given by same, an >> "inventor of frequency technology, and free energy devices that go beyond >> Nicola Tesla's insights. He is also a writer, lecturer, and visionary >> intuitive." >> Gee Whezz!!! He is better than Tesla!!! And the price for the lecture is >> right, FREE. >> Please, someone tell me that he is not a nut. >> >> Thomas A. Rice >> >> >Thomas, I'm here in Denver area... would love to attend THAT ONE Too! > Smarter than Tesla & FREE to boot.. Heck.. I'd even drive up to Boulder >if the Time is right.... Let me know.. -=Thanks=- >-=Steve Ekwall=- > > Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 10:50:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13572; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607171728.AA46426@holly.ColoState.EDU> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Rice To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wayne Rowland??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >To: Steve Ekwall >From: Thomas Rice >Subject: Re: Wayne Rowland??? > >At 10:45 PM 7/16/96 -0600, you wrote: > >>Thomas, I'm here in Denver area... would love to attend THAT ONE Too! >> Smarter than Tesla & FREE to boot.. Heck.. I'd even drive up to Boulder >>if the Time is right.... Let me know.. -=Thanks=- >>-=Steve Ekwall=- >> > >Hello Steve, > The meeting is tonight at Fort Collins, Lincoln Center, 7:30pm, 417 West Magnolia Street, second floor. If you are not familar with Ft Collins, take the last exit off 25, "Fort Collins/Ault", and head west. Stay on the street, Mullberry, until you are well into town. I don't know how many miles/blocks. However, after you cross College Avn, it is only a few blocks down on the right. > Hosts are Earle and Nancie Belle, (970) 282-1797. >Please note the free use of sarcasm in my earlier post. I will be attending the lecture, just in case. I have studied Tesla since 14 years of age. I doubt that Rowland will improve on him. I look forward to meeting you. > > Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 10:51:11 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13300; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SAP Tube (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Dear Ossie; Thank you for your contribution regarding the SAP tube. I have a couple of ideas. Could you use a coil to take off the power. I realize that the flow in the tube would be D.C. Could you pulse the ionization. I think you showed the power take off as the same as the ionizing current source. What about adding two new electrodes 90 degrees removed. I can see problems in the circuit. Do you think the unit would become self ionizing after initiation. Do you think it matter what kind of gas is used. I am interested in obtaining a copy of the papers that you mention (the theoretical material). If you know a source please let me know. Thanks for sharing your ideas. I look forward to hearing from you. Byrun Fox. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 15:37:52 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10031; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FYI Free Energy Movie X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Saw the previews and read the book. Both are not worth it. What we need is some good old fashioned channeled schematics... >Often movies preceed reality. Later this summer, a movie called 'Chain >Reaction' will hit the theaters. It's obviously a must see for all of us, as >the theme centers around free energy. Big name actors & a well known director >are part of this high-budget flik. > >Also, the sequel to the Celestine Prophecy (NY Times Bestseller) called The >Tenth Insight is about free energy. > > >Reed Huish >Zenergy Corporation >390 South Robins Way, Chandler Arizona 85225 >Phone: 602.814.7865 Fax: 602.821.0967 Email: reedh@indirect.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 15:40:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10527; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HAARP Web Site Here: X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: From: www.padrak.com/ine/
HAARP: The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html
About the HAARP Program . A scientific research facility devoted to the study of the Earth's ionosphere is being built under the HAARP program at a location in Gakona, AK. The program is jointly managed by the Office of Naval Research and the Air Force Phillips Laboratory.

From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 20:42:57 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA05885; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607171534.aa02260@dt.desertelcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Lance Ellinghaus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Microwave powered engines X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: There has been some talk on this list of how to modify a standard combustion engine to use Microwaves and water as fuel. Has anyone done this to a car's engine? If anyone has done this, how can I get in touch with them? Thank you, Lance Ellinghaus -- Lance Ellinghaus lance@deserTelcom.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 20:46:35 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA06714; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607171536.aa02262@dt.desertelcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Lance Ellinghaus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Energy production for a house X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I am looking at building a house and would like to be 100% off-grid. I am looking for technologies that are proven to work besides solar and wind (which I have plenty of both since I am living in the deserts of southern california). I would like to talk to people that have gone off-grid and see what they have done. Lance Ellinghaus -- Lance Ellinghaus lance@deserTelcom.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 20:50:35 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07517; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: usa-tesla list down? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A couple of people have asked me about the usa-tesla list, which is apparently down. Anyone know anything? I haven't subscribed to it in months. ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 17 20:53:50 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07792; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Synergy (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:33:18 +0200 From: MvD To: weird science mailing list Subject: Synergy? Hi all, I'm a computer engeneer, with a hobby for (mostly weird) sience, and physics. Some time ago I got an idea. It's a simple principle to convert warmth into mechanical energy without having a temperature difference. The effect depends on expansion and shrinking of matter while respectively melting and freezing, in combination with melting point lowering when pressurising the mass. This is synergy, not OU: the amount of energy in a closed system remains the same, but the chaos level in the system decreases. The synergy cicle is then as follows: 1) Start with a liquid mass M. 2) Freese it. This requires extracting a certain quantity warmth from M. Call this Q1 and store this for use in step 4. This freesing happens at temperature t1. 3) Compress the mass (increase of presure). This costs energy E1. The resulting melting temperature of M is lower then the freezing temperature in 2) due to melting-point lowering at higher presures. 4) While the melting temperature is now lower then the freesing temperature in 2), it is possible to use Q1 for melting M. This causes M to expand. We don't let is expand, so only the pressure rises. 5) Depresurise the mass. This gives an anmount of energy E2. Because expansion happens at a higher pressure than compression, the energy needed for compression is smaller than the released energy by expansion: E1 < E2 This does only work with matter which expands when melting. So no water can be used (and Iron, but this is a little impracticle due to the high melting temperature). This means that, if my theoretical mind work is correct, the second law of thermodynamics is broken. Does anybody see where I went wrong, or am I not wrong? ---------------------- Clacke's Law's of Prophesy FIRST LAW When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certain correct. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. SECOND LAW The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. THIRd LAW Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisheble from magic. Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Thu Jul 18 03:14:43 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA05730; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 03:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 03:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Synergy (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In article , you wrote: >The synergy cicle is then as follows: >1) Start with a liquid mass M. >2) Freese it. This requires extracting a certain quantity warmth from M. >Call this Q1 and store this for use in step 4. This freesing happens at >temperature t1. >3) Compress the mass (increase of presure). This costs energy E1. The >resulting melting temperature of M is lower then the freezing >temperature in 2) due to melting-point lowering at higher presures. >4) While the melting temperature is now lower then the freesing >temperature in 2), it is possible to use Q1 for melting M. This causes M >to expand. We don't let is expand, so only the pressure rises. >5) Depresurise the mass. This gives an anmount of energy E2. [SNIP] > >This means that, if my theoretical mind work is correct, the second law >of thermodynamics is broken. Sounds simalar to the Amin Cycle stuff at my WEB site. Let us know how it compars. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at http://www.execpc.com/~bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 19 15:35:20 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21422; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31EE6CFC.3FF8@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Synergy (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: > > In article , you wrote: > > >The synergy cicle is then as follows: > >1) Start with a liquid mass M. > >2) Freese it. This requires extracting a certain quantity warmth from M. > >Call this Q1 and store this for use in step 4. This freesing happens at > >temperature t1. > >3) Compress the mass (increase of presure). This costs energy E1. The > >resulting melting temperature of M is lower then the freezing > >temperature in 2) due to melting-point lowering at higher presures. > >4) While the melting temperature is now lower then the freesing > >temperature in 2), it is possible to use Q1 for melting M. This causes M > >to expand. We don't let is expand, so only the pressure rises. > >5) Depresurise the mass. This gives an anmount of energy E2. > [SNIP] > > > >This means that, if my theoretical mind work is correct, the second law > >of thermodynamics is broken. > > Sounds simalar to the Amin Cycle stuff at my WEB > site. Let us know how it compars. > > -- > For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at > http://www.execpc.com/~bpaddock/ > Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, > Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, > Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. I looked at the Amin Cycle stuf. It's not the same, but the Amin cycle also claims to be a 'synergy device' (Ha, we have a new type of mashinery). I do not (yet) understand completely how the amin cycle is supose to work, and how gravity fits in, but I've requested more info about the subject. ---------------------- Clacke's Law's of Prophesy FIRST LAW When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certain correct. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. SECOND LAW The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. THIRd LAW Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisheble from magic. Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sat Jul 20 09:54:26 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12962; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Tim Chandler To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Microwave powered engines X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 08:35 PM 7/17/96 -0700, Lance Ellinghaus wrote: >There has been some talk on this list of how to modify a >standard combustion engine to use Microwaves and water as >fuel. > >Has anyone done this to a car's engine? Yes I know of someone who did try it, last I checked, he wasn't very successful. >If anyone has done this, how can I get in touch with them? I will see if I can dig up his email address and send it to you... >Thank you, >Lance Ellinghaus Thanks, Tim From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 21 02:28:24 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA16293; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Alexander V. Frolov" To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A In the process of the conference NEW IDEAS IN NATURAL SCIENCES June 1996 St.-Petersburg, Russia, some devices was demostrated. One of devices is inertial drive system was made by inventor Boris Shukalov, Ivanovo, Russia. I asked this oldman to take part in our conference without big hope that he'll demo something new, but I made mistake. In his 30-years period of research he made many devices and his conclusion now is: to make reactionless force it is necessary to create the asymmetry in energy (pulse) transformation. This conclusion is coorespond to thermogravitation concept! In 1935 Popular Scence wrote about experiment in which net force was the difference between imact and impulse in different parts of the system. Popular Science, Vol 126, 1935. Boris Shukalov made other version for it in fine nice view: he use only two electromagnets and 90 degrees rotation. Magnets are powered by pulsed current. After both magnets made impulse to move the device in one direction, magnets make reverse way but with 90 degrees rotation and then magnets make impact ( each other ) without any reaction to the movement of the device. Where is the "thermogravitation" here? The impact is the transformation of kinetic energy into heat from mainly, but the impulse is not. So, there is asymmetry and reactionless motion. System is fine example as education toy for school or laboratories. Are anybody here to help in this project as financial manager for patent process and producing process. The market for this toy is world wide labs, universities, schools market. I need grant or investition for work in this direction. Please, contact with me by phone 7-812-2747877 or email alex@frolov.spb.ru. Post address is POBox 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 21 13:52:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA00860; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607212046.NAA26099@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: "Dennis C. Lee" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi Alex; I have a Computer Aided Design business and we are involved with producing drawings for patent applications. We can handle the patent process for this idea. What are your projected startup figures? Maybe we can help. Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 02:26 AM 7/21/96 -0700, you wrote: > System is fine example as education toy for school or laboratories. >Are anybody here to help in this project as financial manager for patent >process and producing process. The market for this toy is world wide labs, >universities, schools market. I need grant or investition for work in this >direction. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 21 14:53:23 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08893; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Steve Ekwall To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ref: It's in the WATER / Batteries / the bottle H20 runoff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: I'm SURE I didn't see this 'sludge' in my chem 101 class in junior high, But would some of you TRY this ($1.00 or less experiment) at HOME and let me know what you get... GEOGRAPHICALLY it should be different if its in the water! Chem101 (Time = 30mins to 1 hour) Take a small Plastic bottle (like those used for selling drinking water)! Hell, I should have probably DONE this with the ORIGINAL WATER IN IT to begin with ( Now that I think about it, I will after sending this letter). 2). With the bottle FILLED with your TAP WATER... ADD about 3-6 teaspoons of plain SALT for CONDUCTIVITY (dc) 3). Drop in a small AA (or even AAA) and put on the cap and INVERT BOTTLE Upside Down. **** I was expecting ONLY H2 and O seperation (which from the VORTEX-l **** group could either Implode OR EXplode depending on who you talked to. With-in 10 minutes of just sitting, I started getting brownish scum, accumilating on the surface... WIERD... ( "I deflated or squeezed the bottle a bit to remove excess water so 'IF it were to build up too much PRESSURE' I could move it from the Kitchen into a Hole in the Back Yard.) AFTER 30 minutes I had a good 1/8" of Brownish 'ShitGreen-swamp scum!' YuCk! I show my wife and she said it was from the 'Energizer BATTERY'.. I didn't really want to take the day off and set up a lab experiment at the office on a weekend, But to me, I think our WATER SUPPLY was A) Treated , Polarized / Homoginized / Filtered and Chlorinated (hopefully) WAS NOW BEING UNpolorized REhomoginized and DEchlorinated. My bottle WAS an Empty Coca-cola Bottle (plastic), But I think that this 20-30 minute TEST has turn'd me on to bottle water ($pay for your water) containers.. B) the bottle was totally filled and NOW 1 1/2 hours later has about 1/2" of AIR (divided H2 and O) WITH NO DISERNABLE EXECESS PRESSURE.. Why won't this thing just BLOW (C1) the WATER is NON COMPRESSABLE and YET, there is the air chamber on top.. (C2).. Wouldn't This PINT of water totally sperated by 'electrolizes' occupy a far Greater space if turn to a gas?? HOW ABOUT 10 BATTERIES to speed UP things!! Finally our upstream water supply (DENVER) has been accussed of being infiltrated with a small plant life that is choking the stream - Growing after a recent Forest FIRE. Could they have been "CLEAR" less photoGREEN after being DE-Chlorinated?? then are getting 'BURNT BROWN??' via the small 1.5vdc?? Thanks for anyone who invests the 30 minutes to put a bottle on your table... good dinner conversation -eh? (plus maybe even an older BATTERY could be used at NO COST...) -=expected a clear result - got scum=- (anomoly or sewage??) Thanks for your replies From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 22 06:56:46 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA06544; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Orgone Accumulator, Materials & Construction Plans (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:56:23 -0800 From: James DeMeo To: OBRL Forward Subject: Orgone Accumulator, Materials & Construction Plans Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm ********** We have been asked to provide information on the various materials and construction plans for the orgone accumulator which are available from our mail-order firm, Natural Energy Works. * Construction Plans: "The Orgone Accumulator Handbook: Construction Plans, Experimental Use, and Protection Against Toxic Energy" by James DeMeo, Ph.D., remains in-print and available through most bookstores at $12.95, or directly from Natural Energy Works (address below). A weekend workshop on the orgone accumulator, covering information similar to that contained in the "Handbook" but with more in-depth details and demonstrations of laboratory experiments, will be offered on July 20-21 at the Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory's Greensprings Center. This course will be repeated in 1997, and probably become an annual event at the Center. See the OBRL Web Site for more information on this and other educational workshops: http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm * Construction Materials Five-pound reels of fine "OO" grade steel wool are available. One reel yields approximately 150 feet x 4" wide of a compressed steel wool strip, and this strip can be separated into thirds to triple the surface area. Two reels will make a 3-ply standing accumulator. Price of $39 per reel. Carded Sheep's Wool is available, the best natural material for stuffing orgone pillows, blankets and accumulator panels. We obtain this from a ranch in the Southwest, where the wool is sheared, cleaned, air-dried and then carded (combed) into a fluffy and resilient fiber. Unlike fibre-glass, which previously was the most often recommended material for larger box-type accumulators, carded sheep's wool does not have any toxic qualities, and can be handled without gloves and breathing masks. Five pounds will make a 3-ply standing accumulator. Price of $12 per pound. Wool Batting is available for orgone blankets. Approximately 1/2" thick and 90" wide, sold by the yard. One yard (36") would make the interior layers for a two-ply orgone blanket measuring 36" x 45". NOTE: This material is not suitable for the external cover of an orgone blanket. For exterior covering, we recommend the acrylic felt (described below). Price of Wool Batting is $22 per yard. Acrylic Felt works well in orgone blankets (not so good as pure wool), but does not attract and hold moisture, so it makes a good outer layer or cover for an orgone blanket. Acrylic felt also does not have the negative bioenergetic effects of polyester felt, which is the most common type found in fabric stores. Our acrylic felt is 72" wide, in a dark forest-green color. 1.25 yards (45" makes a cover for a 36" x 45" blanket (see wool batting, above). Price of $8 per yard. The full Natural Energy Works catalog, sent free with all orders (otherwise $2) contains other related items, such as natural beeswax (for coating shooter funnels), natural rock flour (a natural source of strongly radiating blue bions for gardens), economical nuclear and electromagnetic radiation field meters for determining safe places to use the accumulator, and a 3-ply orgone accumulator garden seed and water charger. Ordering Information: Compute the price of the goods and add the following additional for shipping: Orgone Accumulator Handbook: In USA add $3 for first copy, 50 cents for each additional copy. Outside USA, add $6 each, plus $2 for each additional copy. (Translations are available in German, Greek, Portuguese, Spanish and Japanese. See the OBRL Web Site - book section - for more information.) Steel wool reels: In USA, add $4 for each reel; Outside USA, add $12 each. Sheep's wool and felt: In USA, add $4 minimum for the first 10 yards or pounds (combined), and $4 for each additional quantity -increment of $10 yards or pounds. Outside USA, add $12 for each yard/pound quantity-increment. USA Orders: check or money order, or COD (with additional $5 charge). Overseas Orders: international money order, or check from a bank with USA branches. Sorry, no credit cards, and no "Eurochecks" (not usable in USA). Send payment with your name, full street mailing (shipping) address and telephone number to: Natural Energy Works PO Box 1148 Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA Hope this information is useful. You can purchase some of these materials locally, but most are difficult to obtain without a lot of searching. Please provide this information to anyone who is having difficulty locating supplies and information regarding construction of the orgone accumulator. From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 26 17:52:28 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA09426; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607262354.BAA25222@ns.bbtt.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: conclusions from 2 coil test.... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi Evan and Ralph, do you know, how big the inductance of the 2 coils were in the 2 coil test videotape ? This one, where Newman did show the torque-meter test on the 2 coils where the 2nd coil had much more wire and also had much more torque on the permanent magnet placed inside the coil ! I bet, that the inductance of the 2 coils is just about 1 Henry or below , right ? Then tau=L/R is also less than 0.1 to 0.5 sec and this test just shows the final state of a coil which has reached its final magnetic field at this current level. As long as the L of the 2 coils is unknowm NO conclusions can be drawn from this experiment... As Newman used 2 x 9 Volt batteries in series with the total of 18 Volts and the first coil draws 3 Ampere and the 2nd coil 2 Ampere, the total R of the system (inner battery resistance and coil resistance) is 6 Ohm and 9 Ohm. Now if one would know, what the L of the 2 coils is, one could draw a conclusion. If L1 would be around 0.1 Henry with the 1st coil, tau1=L1/R1 would be 16 msec and if L2 of the second coil would be 0.5 Henry then tau2=L2/R2=55 msec ! As Newman connects the batteries at least for around 1 to 2 seconds this test just shows the saturated state of the magnetic field totally build up after that amount of time. With the first coil the magnetic field is build up totally in about 40 msec and with the second coil in about 120 msec. So when Newman holds the connection to the batteries for 1 to 3 seconds he just shows the steady state of the magnetic field and that using more wire reduces the amount of power needed to KEEP UP the magnetic field in a coil! I think this is not a good test to show what is going on in his motors. There the conditions are totally different ! Over there tau=L/R is much bigger (longer) than the commutator fire interval (switch on of the battery voltage to the coil) ! So there the magnetic field does not reach its final state, but probably only 10 to 30 % of the final current state at the supplied voltage level. Also as the permanent magnet moves inside the coil the coil inductance L becomes time dependend ! This is NONlinear ! So final conclusion of the 2 coil test shown on the latest videotape is: There could be NO conclusion drawn until one does know the Inductance L of the 2 coils presented in the tape ! Do you know the inductances of the 2 coils ? Please let us know. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX: ++ 49 30 344 92 79 email: harti@ddd.snafu.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fri Jul 26 17:55:50 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA10292; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6DgPCuXuldB@ddd.snafu.de> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@ddd.snafu.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MYNEWM.GIF New Newman design circuit diagram uuencoded ! 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M_6GV4^QYFOKPKU_^Q`?\[1D<>J1[7O[SGW3%U?AQQ,(_#:.__=NFF^NY2GH7 M^[NA*"KP3-<0TY+0XAC0SALPV1RPSBL0RQ".#JT0SVT,3S<0S_T-#"$ MKS\\1-\S++H30.2"/Q[$ M1%!,N;;K" Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New Newman design with easier rotor and commutator X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_838457997==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi , this is a GIF pic handdrawn from a new Newman motor design with an easier to build commutator and using a quadruple sided shaft with using 2 coil pairs at the same time so doubling the torque. This is just the basic idea. Have a look at it and let me know, if you can find any errors. Thanks ! 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M_6GV4^QYFOKPKU_^Q`?\[1D<>J1[7O[SGW3%U?AQQ,(_#:.__=NFF^NY2GH7 M^[NA*"KP3-<0TY+0XAC0SALPV1RPSBL0RQ".#JT0SVT,3S<0S_T-#"$ MKS\\1-\S++H30.2"/Q[$ M1%!,N;;K" Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: ikorsund@ivic.net (Ivan Korsund) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: wasser thread X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: A I have observed what I believe to be a natural demonstration of the wasser thread. On two different occasions in the mojave desert I have observed a unique type of flash flood. Both times the temperature was in excess of 120 degrees F. and there were extreme electrical disturbance in the atmosphere. I had noticed a down pour over some nearby hills and was carefully watching for any signs of a flash flood when a tube of water exited the hills and proceeded to jump and bounce along the desert floor. What was remarkable was that on these two different occasions the water retained a tubular shape (snake like) for its entire length (~100 feet) and traveled each time approximately 1/2 mile before breaking up. I have been told by some older indians of that area that there are stories of this event happening in the distant past Any comments would be appreciated Ivan From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sun Jul 28 11:17:18 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03589; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RIFE RAY CANCER TREATMENT (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:04:33 +1000 (EST) From: Troy Baalham To: bilb@eskimo.com Subject: RIFE RAY CANCER TREATMENT Sent on behalf of Alan Blood -------------------------------------------- July 1996 THE RIFE RAY CANCER TREATMENT by Alan Blood P.O. Box 128 Nathan 4111 Brisbane Australia email s1080313@student.gu.edu.au In the 1920's, Royal R. Rife developed a light microscope using parallel light beams capable of 17,000 X magnification of live micro-organisms. (Wait for my next paper "THE RIFE MICROSCOPES").Rife then researched the effects of all kinds of radiations and environmental changes on germs. He invented a special radio driven electric field oscillator to kill germs at specific audio modulation frequencies. Each type of germ was found to have itsown characteristic mortal audio frequency. Rife became involved in the research of Arthur Kendall, looking at micro-organisms consistently found in Cancer. These organisms tend to change shape due to the lack of a firm cell wall. (Polymorphism or Pleomorphism). Kendall showed that they could cause tumours (or culture growth) after being passed through filters which only allow small virus- sized particles through. And yet they were not virus because these filtrates could reproduce without a cell host, and they developed into large adult bacterial forms. In more recent years research has shown that there are a variety of micro- organisms which are pleomorphic and/ or filterable. Of particular interest are the mycoplasmas. These have about 100 times less genetic DNA than typical bacteria, and are believed to be an early evolutionary form. The genome is around the size of the more complex viruses. It can reproduce from filtered particles as small as 0.1 micron. These viable particles are like seeds. The large adult forms are like a bag full of seeds. In a bulb at one end of the bag (the "bleb"), the nuclei are reproducing by the same kind of binary fission typically found in bacteria. The difference here is that the division of the nucleus is not followed by cell division. Thus we have a multinucleated cell. A similar phenomena can occur in a separate class of micro-organisms known as cell wall deficient forms. (L. Mattman, 1974). These are wall-less variants of various bacteria. They can spontaneously revert back to the original walled form. Research shows they can have viable filtrate particles from 0.3 microns. They look similar to mycoplasmas in culture, causing a historical confusion of interpretation. Mycoplasmas can be a nuisance in microbiology and pathology labs, because they are a common contaminant. It has been noted that mycoplasmas are often associated with neoplastic tissue (Guzeman).They may be latent in both bacterial cultures and cell line cultures. E. Kleineberger- Nobel noted that mycoplasma (pplo) latent in the body can proliferate when the host is under stress. Various presentations at the 1995 World Cancer Congress showed how to look for micro- organisms in fresh blood under a dark-field microscope. A number of advanced clinics can now pre-diagnose a systemic disease status of cancer risk, even before tumour formation, by this simple method. The blood picture revealed roughly equates to the status of the client's immune system. Preventative treatment focusses on boosting a compromised immune system with nutritional supplements or other types of immunotherapy. Enquiries concerning blood diagnosis or alternative therapy should be directed to ICAN Film presentations by Gaston Naessens showed live footage at up to 30,000 X with the Somatoscope. High resolution of detail is acheived by observing the flourescence resulting from illumination by very short wavelenghth U.V. light generated by a Kerr- Zeeman system of Naessens' design. Like Rife, Naessens took an interest in pleomorphic micro-organisms in Cancer. He describes the life cycle of an organism he has called the Somatid, and notes its presence in the blood in Cancer and AIDS.It is suspected, but not yet finally proven, that the presence of proliferating Somatids/ mycoplasmas may be linked to a pathological condition of high cancer risk. It has been established that these organisms secrete growth hormones which Naessens has called Trephones. Other researchers working with the late V. Livingstone- Wheeler established the production of human choriogonadotropin (hcg) from cultures of organisms isolated from Cancer. Wheeler called the organism Cryptocides. HCG is a mammal hormone associated with zygote development. Zygote cells are similar to cancer cells by the fact that both types of cells are undifferentiated, and certain genes called oncogenes may be expressed in such cells. The cancerous transformation of normal cells is thought to be sometimes caused by the triggering of dormant oncogenes by a process involving the production of kinases within the cell as a result of cell membrane receptors linking to certain growth factors outside the cell. These separate findings, when compared, seem to indicate the possibility that that oncogenesis may be linked to mycoplasma hormone secretion. The orthodox medical view is that any microbial activity in Cancer is probably due to opportunistic infection after tumour formation. A direct causative link between Cancer and bacteria is rejected by most experts. Commenting on Wheeler's claims, J. Foch went on the attack, saying that such an organism simply does not exist, and that he had neverobserved bacterial forms in any of the various cancer tissueshe had examined. On the basis of this untested assertion, the American Cancer Society has denounced Wheeler's work. (R.Moss,"The Cancer Industry") A long list of researchers, however, have studied the bacterial phenomena in Cancer, often under a cloud of scorn. Anti- cancervaccines were first developed in the 1920's by Glover, and later by Wheeler et al. It seems logical that if we can attack the mycoplasma population, the reduction of its secretions can allow a recovery of immune response against spreading cancer cells.(Wheeler: "The Conquest of Cancer", "The Microbiology of Cancer"). In healthy people it is common for a cell to transform into an undifferentiated cancer cell, and to begin to multiply. However it is recognized by messenger B-lymphocyte white blood cells which then direct an attack against the abnormal cells by T-lymphocyte killer cells. Therefore Cancer more often can only affect people with suboptimal immune strength, typically in older people following chronic infection or emotional shock. The modern plague of environmental free radicals in food and air is widely blamed for a general compromising of immune efficiency and cancer risk for increasingly younger Cancer victims. Naessens claims that his observations lead him to the conclusion that once a tumour acheives a "critical mass" the messenger B- lymphocytes appear to become paralyzed, and thus the immune system cannot recognize or challenge the abnormal cells. He attributes this effect to the secretion of "Co-carcinogenic K-factor" by the tumour mass. Thinking along the lines of looking for a means to reduce the K- factor secretion, Naessens was inspired to develop a non toxic chemotherapy approach to the problem. The 714X compound is a Nitrogenated derivative of camphor, a solution of which is administered in a program of lymphatic injections. He reasoned that a growing tumour requires Nitrogen, and will thus readilily take up the compound. As a result of the uptake of 714X, the production of K-factor is affected. The immune system can thenrecognize the tumour, and can attack and seal off tumours and eradicate metastases. Clinical success has been claimed in Cancer and AIDS. However Naessens has been rewarded with prosecution by the medical establishment, without any attempt to scientifically test the therapy. (C.Bird "The Trial and Persecution of Gaston Naessens") It seems logical that as well as considering the effect of tumour secretions, it may be that there is a similar immunosuppressive effect from Somatid secretions. Thus, even before tumour formation, the blood has lost its capacity to sense abnormal cell formation. The question of whether K-factor is a cell product or a bacterial product may still be open. Medical Science has been slow to be convinced of the clinical results acheived by the Naessens treatment. Officially this treatment is listed as unproven, but a protocol for clinical trials is being considered. (Keys, Apeiron). History shows a number of unrecognized treatments for Cancer based on treating the "Cancer microbe". The Naessens films give an excellent overview of live blood diagnosis, Somatid life cycle, and 714X clinical technique. These are available from COSE. Rife, back in the late 1920's, learned how to kill a wide range of organisms by audio electric resonance by the use of special radio equipment with a gas plasma tube output. Each type of germ has its own characteristic "mortal frequency". By the mid 1930's, after years of experience with the Cancer microbe using Kendall's special dessicated pig gut medium *, Rife discovered the mortal frequency against the Cancer microbe. The key to this discovery was learning how to artificially aggregate the filtrate particles by r.f. field exposure in a helical shaped gas plasma coil. The resulting clumped particles were miniature mycoplasmas which Rife named "BX Virus". (Today we can assume that the virus description is was a misinterpretation.) When the BX were suitably diluted, Rife could observe them swimming under his high resolution microscope. Frequency experiments on this BX aggregate form showed a loss of motility at a critical audio frequency from the oscillator output. Rife was able to use this frequency to treat induced cancers in animals. Later in 1934- 36 human clinical trials were undertaken by Dr M. Johnson at La Jolla. These trials indicated successful treatments against cancer, TB, geriatric ulcers and glaucoma, with the use of the relevent audio frequencies. In 1939 the Rife Ray or Beam Ray was banned in the zealous anti-quackery purges instigated by M. Fishbein, President of the AMA.It is hoped that the Rife technology will be redeveloped by the new wave of enthusiasts in the 90's. Unfortunately it is difficult to obtain funding without preliminary results or corroborative evidence in the orthodox literature. * Kendall's organism may turn out to have been a pork media contaminant. However his cultures yielded filtrates which caused tumours in innoculated rats, just like the filtrates taken directly from mortared human breast cancer material. This could mean that mycoplasma latent in the pork media are the same type as those involved in the human cancer blood picture, and both succumb to the same mortal frequency. Rife's BX were processed from rat mammary tumours induced by human breast cancer filtrates. He also notes a larger "BY Virus" processed from Sarcoma tissue, with a slightly different mortal frequency. Note also that modern researchers use r.f. fields to make cells stick together. In the production of hyridoma cells, Prof. H. Coster at Sydney's UNSW can fuse a cancer cell with a white blood cell. Two wire ends placed in a non- conductive sugar solution adressed with a.c. will set up an electric field betweem the wire ends. An audio- only field is used to rupture cell membranes of a mixture of the two cell types while under live microscopic examination. This treatment is followed by an r.f. field which makes cells stick togather. Sometimes the ruptured membranes of two different cell types will now join together to form a culturable hybrid cell line. It may be that membrane rupture of germs may be caused by the audio effect of the Rife oscillator.Rife claimed that sometimes germs exploded under the mortal frequency. There are various different ideas presently being discussed as to exactly what kind of energy is propagated by the output tube. Rife never published any technical descriptions of his equipment, but some information was collated by the late J. Crane. It is assumed that the output is a result of adressing the electrodes in a gas plasma spherical tube with a radio signal of the same type as an a.m. radio transmitter signal. Most researchers have assumed that the output is a radio wave signal or r.f. modulated light output, or a vector combination of r.f sound and light, orperhaps some type of energy not known to classical physics, egReich's "Orgone energy". However my own research on electrical discharge in gases leads me to think that the above ideas may not be the correct interpretation. The following section presents an alternative model describing the outputas an electric field oscillator. CANCER CONTACTS World Cancer Congress : International Cancer Association Network ICAN 135 MacQuarie St Sydney 2001 Aust. fax 61+ 2. 2475453 Naessens: COSE : 5620 Rue Fontaine, Rock Forest, Quebec, Can. email fguerin@cose.com fax 819 564 4668 Canada HOW THE RIFE RAY WORKS This paper follows from the discussion in "The Rife Ray CancerTreatment". In Rife's original design the output tube was a glass sphere containing an inert gas, eg Argon, at low pressure.Two large flat disc shaped metal electrodes separated by a gap were encased within the tube. This type of tube has no filament, and is thus known as a cold cathode tube. The tube is fired by a highfrequency Voltage signal from a special radio signal generator. In the Rife tube design we choose a specific gas pressure which can only become conductive at a fairly high Voltage.This characteristic "breakdown" Voltage V(b) is high enough to strike a current in the tube by a chain reaction effect. From a cold start it takes some time for current "avalanch". The high Voltage between the electrodes sets up a strong electric field which accelerates liberated electrons to cause more and more ionizing collisions. If field strength is high enough, these new ions reach a high enough average velocity to sustain the chain reaction until the gas becomes ionized, and can become conductive.When current strikes it takes rather less than 1 millisecond for the current to rise to the "normal glow" current. This is still a relatively long time in an electronic circuit, and is known as the Townsend period. This is the time T(i) required to ionize the gas. If the Voltage across a conducting tube is reduced, current willinstantly stop flowing if the Voltage falls below a minimum plasma maintaining Voltage V(m), typically about 20% lower than V(b). We can consider two operating conditions for the tube. The tube either is conducting a current, or alternatively if the voltage falls toolow it will become non-conductive (zero current phase). Now we consider using a power supply where supplied Voltage can rise and fall in a cycle. For example take a typical radio transmitter signal of the old fashioned a.m. type (amplitude modulation). Here we have an alternating current, (or radio frequency "r.f." carrier) which changes polarity millions of times per second, ie at the same frequency as a radio wave.The strength or amplitude of the peak-to-peak Voltage (V p-p) may be increased or decreased in a low-speed cycle of a few hundred cycles per second, ie the same frequency as sound (audio). For example, a maximum amplitude of say 1200 V p-p may drop down to say 800 V p-p and then back up to 1200 V at sound frequencies. We modulate an r.f. carrier with an audio tone by this method of amplitude modulation to create a radio transmitter signal to drive a transmitting aerial in a.m. broadcasting. Let us now take the same type of signal to drive our Rife gas tube. We can set a gas pressure and electrode gap value to match a chosen breakdown Voltage V(b) from data derived from thePaschen curve for each type of gas. For an Argon tube with a 25 mm electrode gap, we can set a pressure of 15 mm Hg (or 15 Torr or 21 mBar) to match a selected breakdown Voltage of 750 V d.c.. In an alternating current radio signal this may be equivalent to say 1000V p-p. The so-called Paschen curve shows us that as we add pressure or increase electrode gap, characteristic V(b) rises. We know that if the Voltage falls about 20% below V(b), the current will cease to flow. Initially we get the tube glowing by using a separate starter circuit. Then we apply a radio transmitter signal tuned to a selected audio (sound) frequency, or music note. With the transmitter initially at full power, the minimum a.m. Voltage is just high enough to keep the current flowing right through the cycle. Now we turn the power control down a little and the minimim a.m. Voltage falls below V(m). This will cause current to switch off at the minimum amplitude of the audio cycle, and back on again at the maximum amplitude of the cycle. An electric field exists between negatively and positively charged plates separated by an insulator. In the Rife tube, when current cannot flow the gas is acting as an insulator just like in an air-gap capacitor. The electric field is long and of a uniform gradient (or "cathode fall") between the plate electrodes. In the other operating condition where the gas is conductinga current (normal glow state), a "virtual anode" of positively charged ions are literally bombarding the cathode. Thus this virtual anode exists an infinitessably small distance away from the cathode. Now we have 99% of the Voltage drop in the first fraction of a millimeter, and the remaining 1% of Voltage drop in the remaining 25 mm gap. Here we have a short, sudden potential change. Thus the electric field itself can be described as of a very short "shape". We have seen how it may be possible to force the current to switch on and off in a Rife tube, and we have looked at the electuic field phenomena in both the conductive and non-conductive states. Later we will discuss how such an electrical field oscillator may be able to affect germs some distance away from the tube, but first we need to understand a few more points about what happens inside a Rife tube.... Let us first consider a tube fired by a direct current (d.c.).If the Voltage suddenly drops to zero, electrons stop flowing immediately, but charged gas ions remain moving randomly in the tube for some time. Now if we re-introduce a Voltage in this condition there will be many ions near the cathode, and throughout the gas. Here, as soon as Voltage reaches V(m), the current will fire instantly. There is no time delay for a chain reaction of ionizing collisions because the gas is already ionized. Now let us consider a slightly different situation. Again we consider a tube fired by d.c. We let the Voltage fall again, but this time we do not drop the Voltage down to zero. Instead we drop the Voltage somewhere below V(m). This stops the electron flow instantly. The ions remaining in the gas will be attracted towards the cathode by electrostatic attraction. After a short time T(d) the gas will be deionized. If most of the ions are neutralized by striking the cathode, and we then increase the Voltage, the tube will not fire until Voltage reaches V(b), and the time delay T(i) for current avalanch will apply. (Townsend period). The above description may also apply to changing Voltages in an alternating current (a.c.) system. Most of the ions near the electrodes will be neutralized if minimum Voltage is held below V(m). This will apply to our Rife tube driven by high frequency a.c.In the audio cycle, every time Voltage falls below V(m), a long field condition is set up in the tube. The gas deionizes during the minimum of the cycle, and the long field remains until current has begun to avalanch. The field strength reaches its peak of intensity as Voltage rises above V(b) in the instant before current avalanch. In the audio duty cycle (on- off cycle), the tube ideally sets up a long electric field for half of the cycle, followed by a half- cycle of normal glow plasma state. I am developing output tubes which I may be able to supply later this year, but I would require advance expressions of interest.(plus 10 weeks min eta). I am hoping that these tubes should cost less than $1000 US, complete with any specified gas or pressure, and with a vacuum tap. My manufacturer needs to be convinced thatthere is scientific interest out there! Your expression of interest will NOT commit you to an order, OK? Alternatively, if you have access to manufacturing resources, and you would like to produce Rife tubes, I would be happy to assist with technical enquiries. BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS The model I have described assumes that if I sit next to the tube, the oscillating field between the electrodes will cause some oscillating field effect on my body even though the angle subtended by me looking at an electrode gap is small. If a germ oscillates in space, or charged particles oscillate at a fixed audio rate, r.f. electric field distortion will be felt at one pole of the cycle, and zero stimulation at the other pole.Thus, overall the germ or particle oscillation may experience electrical polarization. It may be that r.f. distortion causes small currents of electrons to flow on the outer surfaces of membranes, just as electrons will flow only on the outside of an r.f. conductor. We know that some ion movements across membranesessential to metabolism operate at fixed frequencies in an ion pump cycle. The Rife Ray may interrupt a bio- electric "tuned circuit" at a resonant audio frequency, or alternatively it may denature complex proteins by destroying H-bonds. Either of these effects may merely be due to a "relative" electrical oscillation caused by a physical vibration or pulsation in space, (ie relative to theoutput electric field). Recently it was reported in Australia that a certain long lasting viral infection called Ross River virus was cleared rapidly by the patients grabbing an electric cattle fence! How this works is anybody's guess! Other researchers have suggested that applied frequencies may stimulate immune response. If so, once messenger B-lymphocytes begin to activate, a following immune response may be sustained and vigorous. At this stage we cannot say for sure what the mechanics of the biological effect really are. It may be possible to set up an oscillator similar to the model I have described by adapting an air- gap- type set-up for r.f. using a near fully modulated signal. I heard that some German researchers use a large air gap set up driven at 16 Hz audio only(no carrier). The patient sits between large plate electrodes. It may be possible to have a similar set-up for a Rife oscillator. FUTURE RESEARCH At this stage research by my group and groups in other countries have been hampered by lack of knowledge and of money. Despite the great promise of a new approach to medicine, the Rife concept has not been taken up by the scientific establishment. Put simply, if funds were put at my disposal I would contract professional electronics design companies and established biology research laboratories to build and test the Rife technology. If you would like to support such a project, or to collaborate, please contact me. TECHNICAL APPENDIX Hopefully the reader will now understand that the model I havedescribed will have a different type of output than a tube which continuously conducts current. It should be possible to read a waveform for theoutput by reading an oscilloscope trace from a loop aerial held near the tube as the gas pressure or Voltage is being altered. A 30%modulation may be sufficient to switch the current quite hard in an audio duty cycle. The waveforms and nominal Voltages and pressures discussed should onlybe taken as a teaching aid. Only pressure and voltage calibration in operating conditions will determine what the correct settings should be.We cannot easily work out a model for r.f. waveforms based on theavailable d.c. models, although we could start by assuming equivalent rms values, eg 1000 V p-p = approx 750 V rms. >From the Paschen curves at V(b)= 750 V dc we obtain the following valuesfor p ... Argon 15 mm Hg = 21 mB Helium 27 mm Hg = 36 mB Neon 112 mm Hg = 150 mB These values are for a 25mm gap. For higher Voltage or smaller gap (d) use the formula V(b) is proportional to p times d in the appropriate part of the curve. See Meek and Craggs"Electrical Discharge in Gases" for details.There will be some variation of data depending on the electrode metal and configuration! Starting with say a 1500 V p-p signal with 30 or 40% modulation,we can wind down the Voltage till a test aerial picks up the sudden change to a 100% modulated square wave output waveform. In much of the Rife research writings I have come across the use of a square wave a.m. modulation is advocated because it contains multiple harmonics of the primary audio frequency. A square wave would be better than a sine wave, but in my opinion the esoterics of harmonics are NOT relevent. The ideal wave form for the modulation has a steep leading edge, preferably a spike. This is because we want to introduce a high Voltage across the electrode gap while it is in the non-conductive long field state. Once Voltage rises above V(b) the long field state will only last for less than 0.1milliseconds before current strikes. In the normal glow state the Voltage will not go above V(b) no matter what supply Voltage you address it with. However if we introduce a spike in the non- conductive state we can set up a Voltage as high as the equipment can deliver during that short period of time. Of course, the carrier must still be present! Try to keep the spike width narrow,ie of short time duration. When current avalanches, the tube cannot drive higher than V(b). Thus any supply voltage above V(b) cause signal reflection back to the transmitter output since tube Resistance will change. The other important point is that it is a mistake to try to set up a 100 % amplitude modulated signal. With 100 % modulation the plasma will not deionize in the minimum part of the cycle, and current will strike instantly at V(m). To acheive the long field regime aim for 30- 40 % modulation to achieve the most rapid deionization.It may be better to have no bandwidth filtering or harmonic suppression, but a prototype would possibly still work even with filtering. Transmitter circuits generally require that a matching circuit must be placed between the transmitter and the output aerial.This is to avoid a reflected signal effect, and to maximize transmitted r.f. power. This usually assumes that the transmitter likes to "look at" a 50 ohm load, and we adjust the matching circuit for small variations from different antenna / feeder wire installations. Matching to a plasma load may be tricky because Resistance is not a constant value, ie it changes depending on what you fire it with! It would probably also be necessary to pre-ionize the gas by some means before attempting to fire it with modulated r.f.... It fires reasonably easily with an unmodulated signal, but tends to fully reflect a modulated signal. This is big trouble as this will cause output burnout in the transmitter! The solution to this problem may be to use a low amperage Tesla coil, or an ionization tester.Use a series resistor to limit current going in, and to limit "feedback" when the transmitter is switched in. In theory it is possible to use an X-ray flash to ionize the tube, but not recommended!!! It may also be possible to get the tube to ionize by the use of radio waves.Maybe it is possible to start off with a signal with no modulation from your transmitter and then wind up the modulation level from zero to 30%. Good luck! If you use a quartz tube you can ionize the gas with a U.V. lamp flash, but screen this from peoples eyes! James Bare http://www.rt66.com/%7Erifetech/has published some useful info. on making a do-it-yourself Rife kit. He suggests that it is possible touse tuned lengths of wire, and wrap the ends in two loopsaround a straight tube, thus acheiving ionization. If we think of two disc faces acting as a capacitor, then we can get a small capacitor face from two circles looking at each other... thick wire would be best... but the field intensity may be weaker thanthat between solid discs. This set-up avoids some of the problems with reflected signal because the tuned lengths of wire act as an antenna load. Here, the gas is probably ionized by radio waves. In Bare's set-up no preionizing system is required.Once lit there should be an electric field set up between the two circle wire wraps. The wire is outside the tube so no electrons can be liberated from the circuit. The field intensity wouldvary with amplitude. Therefore my thinking is that you should try for as much modulation as possible with this kind of experiment. It may be possible to take the r.f. carrier and make your own 100% modulation by switching on and off with an audio square wave switching circuit. Even an amplified C.B. signal as per Bare'sset-up may create a biological polarization effect by virtue of an intensity differential. Exactly what pattern of bio-electrical distortionwill probably depend on the relationship of electrical Earth toanode and cathode, eg either cathode earthed or "floating", but either way could cause a biological effect. Commercial neon and other high Voltage gas plasma lightsusually have a small amount of Mercury added. This has the effect of substantially lowering the Voltage needed to fire the tube, and makes the tube light easily when it is cold. Neon signs are of the cold cathode type. They use hollow cylindrical electrodes with one open end, mainly to reduce sputter which is a metal deposit on the glass which shortens tube life. These type of electrodes can be used if necessary for a prototype, but they mayhave less abilty to set up a strong field than large flat discs.This type of electrode is usually pre-coated on the inside with a special Barium compound. After making a neon tube, the electrodes are "bombed" by heating the electrodes red hot in a vacuum by a high current 50 Hz a.c. transformer. The coating chemically changes under heat to Barium oxide, which is a material of low electrical work function, ie it lets go of electrons more easily than bare metal, and probably is sputter resistant. Some gas mixes are known also to allow a low firing Voltages(Penning mixtures). I do not use Mercury because I want highvalues for V(b) and V(m). The common flourescent tube is a filament type tube designed to run directly from mains power. It uses Mercury in a near vacuum. The Mercury emits U.V. when ionized. The U.V. in turn stimulates a phosphor powder coating in the inside of the tube to flouresce in visible light. Manufacturing standards generally require vacuum bake-out and pure gas. However such considerations need not be critical for gasing prototype tubes for bench experiments, but you would need a two-stage vacuum pump and suitable high vacuum guage. In tube design, the main point is to avoid sputter. Sputter is the evaporation of electrode metal by electron or ion bombardment. An evaporated metal atom hits the glass and becomes solid.Sputter deposits will entrap gas, causing lower gas pressure. Also it may set up eddy currents which screen the e field output. This may have been the problem with Yale's and Crane's tubes which ceased to workthough they still glowed. I use pure Aluminium electrodes. Aluminium builds a thin oxide coating which is deliberately left on. This oxide coating is sputter resistant. Like most metals, gas contaminants absorbed in the metal should be removed by an overnight vacuum bake-out. The jury is still out on which gas or mix to use. I think xenon is too heavy, and may cause sputter. Helium may be unstable in pressure due to its tendency to absorb into metal. It is a bit leaky across pyrex.Tube manufacture would involve the use of a pre-made Kovar metal wireleadthrough glass seal in a graded seal to pyrex insert sleeves.It may be possible to make a Kovar electrode assembly set in the pyrex sleeve, followed by electroplating with Aluminium or Molybdenum. Alternately, fit a solid electrode onto the Kovar lead. Platinum or Tungsten may sputter, but possibly not if used withHelium. Helium should not cause sputter at moderate voltages below say 10-15kV. I dont think wavelength of light is at all critical for the Rife Ray. It would probably work fine inside a cardboard box! In the Rife lab movie note that Rife used solid vertical stems to which large electrodes were fixed. The stems act as structural members like solid trusses, and bolt straight onto an overhead rail.In the long field regime I have described, strong forces of attraction will be set up between the electrodes. The stress in the glass will be an audio square wave, since the force of attraction will be audio intermittent, ie in synch with the intermittent long field effect. Rife's structural stem electrode design would absorb this stress. Prototypes with conventional side mounted electrodes should be installed with the tube axis vertical. Otherwise the electrodes will vibrate up and down due to the intermittant sagging effect of gravity. The electrodes need to be of equal size diameter. Where size is unequal, the tube becomes a half- wave rectifying diode! Note that in the conductive normal glow state, Voltage will not rise above V(b). Thus cold cathode tubes have been used as Voltage stabilizers in high Voltage power supplies. Tubes with equal electrode sizes can be used in a.c. Voltage stabilizer circuits. Where the electrodes differ in size, such tubes will then act as diodes, and as such can be used in rectifier circuits. The Townsend period phenomena limits the switching speed of cold cathode tubes to a few kHz or less in switching applications. The prototype transmitters discussed so far have been adaptationsof equipment running at around 1000 V. Rife's lab equipment was driven by 8000 V, giving quite strong field intesity.The Rife Ray may need to be used in a Faraday cage booth to preventbroadcasting of radio noise. The electric field effect may still be felt outside outside the cage, but if possible test within a large cage or try a ferrocement basement. I have no expertise in electronic design, and would like to collaborate with electronics people. I am working on original style tube designs, 150 mm sphere with side mounted electrodes and 25mm gap. Also I hope to produce 225 mm sphere with structural vertical stress- absorbing electrodes. Both with vaccuum taps. I have sometimes been asked about glass types. Some people feel that quartz glass (actually fused silica 96%) is superior. It transmits U.V. The glass type should not effect an electric field output, with the possible exception of lead glass (?). The tables for emission spectra for Helium and Argon show most emissions in light and near infra- red, and experiments by J. Bare show no U.V. reading when tested for these gases in a quartz straight tube.Because of the higher melting point, it is moredifficult to manufacture quartz glassware. Spherical tubes can only be made to a limited size because of oven limitations. It is thought that Rife had small quartz spheres made, but later changed to pyrex large spheres. Quartz glassware would cost 10 times the price of a pyrex equivalent! It is the "leakiest" type of glass for light gases (both in and out!) Even an Argon tube may have problems with inward leakage contamination over time. A question also arises concerning radiation caused by ion bombardment of electrodes. Before the invention of Tungsten filaments by Coolidge, X-ray tubes were solid cathode gas tubes fired by very high Voltage. However the gas was at very low pressure, reducing collision probability with other gas particles, and thus allowing very high velocity under intense accelleration.It is possible that at 8000 V, and using a very low pressure on the left- hand slope of the Paschen curve (It is V- shaped with a steep left- hand slope) that very soft X-rays might result. These would be absorbed by most types of glass, with the possible exception of quartz. Driving with a pressure from the right- hand side of the curve however would see most ions slowed by collisions. At this point I would like to discuss Crane's tube design with a 45 degree angled electrode. A lot of people looked to Crane as the only living authority on Rife research. My opinion of his writings is that he lacked the technical background for what he was involved in. It seems to me that Rife knew more than what he told his colleagues, and that he felt a need of some secrecy to protect patentable concepts. This attitude is evident in his earlier lack of forthrightness in his dealings with various other researchers as regards his optic principles. I can only assume that Crane got advice from electronics people as to how to make a radiation emitting tube. A 19- 22 degree angled face face is used for directional propagation of X- rays in both the gas X- ray tubes and the vacuum X- ray tubes. This increases the probability of propagation at 90 degrees to the axis, toward an unsheilded window. Crane's 45 degree tube, claimed to have been made in 1947, was more likely made in 1957. Verne Thompson was supposed to have set up Crane's first transmitter, and is supposed to have worked with the Rife project before the war, but parted ways with Crane for some reason, around the late '50's. It is likely that Rife took no direct interest in Crane's "Allied Industries" venture to produce a new Rife Ray. It was reported to me first hand that a 1930's tube and transmitter was located in San Diego, and that the tube had parallel disc electrodes. The Rife lab film (Borderlands Journal) shows Rife in his lab with what appears to be this type of tube with structural stem electrodes. Later in the film Crane has grafted on some of his own later film showing what looks like a large cone facing a small cone as his electrode set up, and another shot of what looks like a modern X-ray tube which had been gassed. Any of these designs may indeed be capable of making radio noise, or even of setting up a field effect in the right conditions. I am sure that mine is not the last word on this subject! One thing Crane DID get right, however, was his assertion that the gas pressure must be tuned to the Voltage. I hope my contribution has shed a little more light on this subject! The jury is still out on whether tubes must be round. Some experiments are being done with straight tubes. I have decided to stick to the original concept. One relevent consideration may bethe effect of the straight wall. In a commercial neon tubeelectron flow tends to concentrate at the wall. A meter of thin- walled neon tube offers higher electrical resistance than a thicker tube. It may be that a spherical tube, having more volume, may have a lower ratio of excited atoms, and may thus deionize in the zero current cycle more effectively. A compromise solution may be to use a 100 mm pyrex tube withepoxy sealed machined plastic end caps and O- ring sealed solid leadsallowing adjustable electrode gap, with a gas feed through the cap. No glass blowing required. Hook up to a refrigeration mechanics vacuum pump, evacuate and flush with gas 2 or 3 times.Adjustable electrode gap gives the ability to fine tune V(b)at full transmitter power and without sophisticated vacuum pump and guage technology. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Troy Baalham - Systems Programmer. 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See the list of confirmed invited speakers and see the preliminary schedule of technical sessions. The conference registration form and payment should be sent in by Friday, September 6, 1996 to qualify for the early registration discount. Please make your own hotel reservations directly with the hotel by Friday, September 13, 1996 to be included in reserved block of rooms. This conference/symposium is hosted by the Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research. IAWSR is a not for profit membership association dedicated to the promotion of advanced water sciences and the free exchange of ideas that contribute to the advancement of water science. IAWSR and the symposium provide a forum for members and contributing individuals to exchange ideas in the following water related subjects: Hard Science: hydrodynamics, water purification technology, electrolysis, bond angle relationships and energy states, environmental issues, photo chemistry, ionics, ORP, chemistry, oxidative states in water. Interdisciplinary: vortex mechanics, magnetic resonance in water, liquid crystal states, advanced ozonation, colloidal chemistry, structured water, homeopathic effects in relationship to energized water, radio frequency effects on water, energization states in water, magnetic field effects on water dynamics and structure, energy systems utilizing water dynamics or structure. Exploratory: subtle energy effects in water, consciousness and water, effects of harmonic geometries on water, scalar wave effects on water, energization and transformation in the water molecule, memory in water states, biological effects of energized and structured water. Confirmed invited speakers: Joseph Bender: keynote speaker "Water: the Bigger Picture", and also Jim Beal, Ron Carson, Dr. Lee Cowden, Prof. Carlton Hazlewood, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Dr. Tony Scott-Morley MD, Prof. Elizabeth Rauscher, Dr. William Rea, Glen Rein, Prof. James Roberts, Joseph Tyls. Send registration form from below and payment to: Second Advanced Water Sciences Symposium P.O. Box 1295 Dallas, Texas 75355-1295 fax: (214) 827-6575 email: seraph@metronet.com For more information: phone (214) 682-9162 or see symposium web site at http://vitalenergy.com/water. ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM TRANSPORTATION IAWRS has arranaged a 5% fare discount for the symposium with American Airlines. Call the AA meetings services desk at 1-800-433-1790 and tell them your desired AA flights. Give them the Star File number S2506AE, and they will book your flight with a 5% discount. Rental Cars: All of the major car rental companies serve both Dallas airports, although only Avis, National, Hertz, and Budget are on-site at DFW. Ask for directions to The Bristol/Harvey Hotel at the rental desk. Obtain Avis discount of 5% when using group discount number D004278. Airport/Hotel Shuttles: Super Shuttle provides van shuttles to/from the symposium hotels. The taxis or vans are available outside the terminals on the lower level at DFW, and in front of the main terminal at Love Field. Estimated distance to the hotel from DFW is about 15 miles, and from Love field is about 12 miles. Phone number for van service directly to hotel is: Super Shuttle: (800) 258-3826 [BLUE-VAN]; to/from DFW $12.00 per person; to/from Love Field $15.00 per person. Visa/MC/AMEX/Diners Club accepted. HOTEL REGISTRATION/ACCOMMODATIONS All AWS symposium events will be held at the Bristol Suites, 7800 Alpha Road, Dallas, TX, (one block NW from corner of Highway 635 & Coit Road). We have reserved a block of rooms at both Bristol Suites and at the adjacent Harvey Hotel. Reservations and room guarantee should be made directly with the hotel of your choice at the following numbers: date: Friday September 13 (***Deadline when block of rooms released***) (Ask for Advanced Water Sciences Symposium Group Rate) mail: Bristol Suites or mail: Dallas Harvey Hotel 7800 Alpha Road 7815 LBJ Freeway (Highway 635) Dallas, Texas 75240 Dallas, Texas 75251 rate: US$89 (single or double) rate: US$59 (single or double) US$99 (triple or quadruple) US$69 (triple or quadruple) Includes full breakfast room only fone: (214) 233-7600 fone: (214) 960-7000 fax: (214) 701-8618 fax: (214) 788-4227 ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM REGISTRATION The early registration fee is $175 before September 6 and the on site registration fee of $250 applies after that date. A student discount registration fee will be $100. Registration fee includes Friday evening reception, access to all technical sessions (all day Saturday and half day Sunday), Saturday lunch, and one copy of proceedings. IAWSR will accept both checks and all major credit cards for registration. We can accept payment by CHECK drawn from US banks or US money order payable to Advanced Water Sciences Symposium. To aid in our planning, PLEASE REGISTER AND PAY IN ADVANCE because we have a maximum number of people we can accomidate at the conference. A registration table will be set up at the Friday evening reception, and before the Saturday morning keynote session. Please stop by to register and pick up your registration packet, including a copy of proceedings. Additional proceedings can be preordered. Information about the location of the reception and symposium talks will be available at the hotel check-in desk. ----------------------------------- cut here ---------------------------------- REGISTRATION FORM for Advanced Water Sciences Symposium, Dallas, Texas, Oct. 4-6, 1996 Send to P.O. Box 1295, Dallas, Texas 75355-1295 or FAX: (214) 827-6575 or email: seraph@metronet.com NAME/TITLE:_________________________________ AFFILIATION:______________________ MAILADDRESS:_______________________________ MAILCITY/STATE/ZIP:________________ TELEPHONE:____________________________________FAX:_____________________________ EMAIL ADDRESS:_________________________________________________________________ TOPICS OF INTEREST:____________________________________________________________ I PLAN TO ATTEND AWS: YES___ NO___ THE RECEPTION FRIDAY EVENING: YES___ NO___ I PLAN TO STAY IN DALLAS AT: Bristol Suites ____ Harvey Hotel ____ Other _____ ANY SPECIAL DIETARY REQUIREMENTS:______________________________________________ *****************************Payment Information*************************** Registration fee ($175 before Sept. 6)or($250 on site)or($100 student)_________ add Number of ADDITIONAL AWS Proceedings at $25.00 each _________ add IAWSR membership special conference rate of $25 per year _________ TOTAL FEE DUE: _________ CHECK ENCLOSED FOR (made payable to Advanced Water Sciences Symp): _________ I AUTHORIZE PAYMENT OF ABOVE TOTAL FEE USING CREDIT CARD INFO BELOW: CREDIT CARD NUMBER:___________________________________________________ CREDIT CARD TYPE: _________________ EXPIRATION DATE:_________________ (receipts will be included in conference packets) (all registrations will be confirmed within 2-3 days) ----------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------ The Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research will be setting it's own Web site in the future. -- .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 29 22:30:35 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA14082; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fueless Engine (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Is any freenrg-L subscriber familiar with the kit described below? It sounds just like the E.V. Gray device. ...............................freenrg-L.................................... William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:26:37 -0700 From: Frank Keckes To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Fueless Engine Dear Bill: Do you know of anyone who has built the "Fueless Engine" from the plans offered by "Creative Science" (P.O. Box 8001 New Albany, IN 47150). This engine uses capacitor banks to energize high voltage electromagnets in a typical rotor/stator configuration. The high voltage firing is timed to cause rotation, and the back EMF is feed back into the 2 twelve volt batteries which charge the capacitor banks via a 3500 volt @80 ma inverter/high voltage diode rectifier. The claim is that this engine is over unity....in fact, it has been scaled up to run at over 250 to 350 hp! they claim this does not work with low voltages/high current - rather, something anomolous takes place when HIGH VOLTAGE is used....causing the over unity conditions. Comments? Please reply... Sincerely, Frank Kecskes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 29 22:30:35 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA11870; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31FD02FC.4107@pi.net> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MvD To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: magnetic monopole fields X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, So far, nobody has conclusive evidince for overunity in an N-mashine. If it is possible to move the rotor and the stator at the same time and still have a energy output, then this would be overunity. The following thought crossed my mind: if the magnet in the n-mashine is a monopole, this would be possible! Remark: According to quantum mechanics, monopole particals do theoreticaly exist (I read this sometime, somewhere). There is only one small problem: how do I get a magnetic monopole field? I do not have a solution for this. But I read (again somewhere, a long time ago) that Searl has found a way to produce a combination of microscopic bipolar magnetic fields which, on the outside look like a magnetic monopole field. So besides being this very interesting, this also has a practical use. When anybody knows where I can find information about building monopole magnates, or has other information about this subsect, please let me know. Maarten ---------------------- Clacke's Law's of Prophesy FIRST LAW When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certain correct. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. SECOND LAW The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. THIRd LAW Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisheble from magic. Dootingh@pi.net Utrecht The Netherlands From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 29 22:30:40 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA13243; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Advanced Water Sciences Symposium (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: --- FORWARDED --- From: Karl Kortemeyer Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Advanced Water Sciences Symposium Date: 26 Jul 1996 03:52:43 GMT Organization: I-Link Inc Registration Information Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium October 4 - 6, 1996, Dallas, Texas Sponsored by Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research and the Seraph Foundation Below is the registration information for the Advanced Water Sciences Symposium (AWS96) to be held in Dallas, TX, October 4-6, 1996. See the list of confirmed invited speakers and see the preliminary schedule of technical sessions. The conference registration form and payment should be sent in by Friday, September 6, 1996 to qualify for the early registration discount. Please make your own hotel reservations directly with the hotel by Friday, September 13, 1996 to be included in reserved block of rooms. This conference/symposium is hosted by the Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research. IAWSR is a not for profit membership association dedicated to the promotion of advanced water sciences and the free exchange of ideas that contribute to the advancement of water science. IAWSR and the symposium provide a forum for members and contributing individuals to exchange ideas in the following water related subjects: Hard Science: hydrodynamics, water purification technology, electrolysis, bond angle relationships and energy states, environmental issues, photo chemistry, ionics, ORP, chemistry, oxidative states in water. Interdisciplinary: vortex mechanics, magnetic resonance in water, liquid crystal states, advanced ozonation, colloidal chemistry, structured water, homeopathic effects in relationship to energized water, radio frequency effects on water, energization states in water, magnetic field effects on water dynamics and structure, energy systems utilizing water dynamics or structure. Exploratory: subtle energy effects in water, consciousness and water, effects of harmonic geometries on water, scalar wave effects on water, energization and transformation in the water molecule, memory in water states, biological effects of energized and structured water. Confirmed invited speakers: Joseph Bender: keynote speaker "Water: the Bigger Picture", and also Jim Beal, Ron Carson, Dr. Lee Cowden, Prof. Carlton Hazlewood, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Dr. Tony Scott-Morley MD, Prof. Elizabeth Rauscher, Dr. William Rea, Glen Rein, Prof. James Roberts, Joseph Tyls. Send registration form from below and payment to: Second Advanced Water Sciences Symposium P.O. Box 1295 Dallas, Texas 75355-1295 fax: (214) 827-6575 email: seraph@metronet.com For more information: phone (214) 682-9162 or see symposium web site at http://vitalenergy.com/water. ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM TRANSPORTATION IAWRS has arranaged a 5% fare discount for the symposium with American Airlines. Call the AA meetings services desk at 1-800-433-1790 and tell them your desired AA flights. Give them the Star File number S2506AE, and they will book your flight with a 5% discount. Rental Cars: All of the major car rental companies serve both Dallas airports, although only Avis, National, Hertz, and Budget are on-site at DFW. Ask for directions to The Bristol/Harvey Hotel at the rental desk. Obtain Avis discount of 5% when using group discount number D004278. Airport/Hotel Shuttles: Super Shuttle provides van shuttles to/from the symposium hotels. The taxis or vans are available outside the terminals on the lower level at DFW, and in front of the main terminal at Love Field. Estimated distance to the hotel from DFW is about 15 miles, and from Love field is about 12 miles. Phone number for van service directly to hotel is: Super Shuttle: (800) 258-3826 [BLUE-VAN]; to/from DFW $12.00 per person; to/from Love Field $15.00 per person. Visa/MC/AMEX/Diners Club accepted. HOTEL REGISTRATION/ACCOMMODATIONS All AWS symposium events will be held at the Bristol Suites, 7800 Alpha Road, Dallas, TX, (one block NW from corner of Highway 635 & Coit Road). We have reserved a block of rooms at both Bristol Suites and at the adjacent Harvey Hotel. Reservations and room guarantee should be made directly with the hotel of your choice at the following numbers: date: Friday September 13 (***Deadline when block of rooms released***) (Ask for Advanced Water Sciences Symposium Group Rate) mail: Bristol Suites or mail: Dallas Harvey Hotel 7800 Alpha Road 7815 LBJ Freeway (Highway 635) Dallas, Texas 75240 Dallas, Texas 75251 rate: US$89 (single or double) rate: US$59 (single or double) US$99 (triple or quadruple) US$69 (triple or quadruple) Includes full breakfast room only fone: (214) 233-7600 fone: (214) 960-7000 fax: (214) 701-8618 fax: (214) 788-4227 ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM REGISTRATION The early registration fee is $175 before September 6 and the on site registration fee of $250 applies after that date. A student discount registration fee will be $100. Registration fee includes Friday evening reception, access to all technical sessions (all day Saturday and half day Sunday), Saturday lunch, and one copy of proceedings. IAWSR will accept both checks and all major credit cards for registration. We can accept payment by CHECK drawn from US banks or US money order payable to Advanced Water Sciences Symposium. To aid in our planning, PLEASE REGISTER AND PAY IN ADVANCE because we have a maximum number of people we can accomidate at the conference. A registration table will be set up at the Friday evening reception, and before the Saturday morning keynote session. Please stop by to register and pick up your registration packet, including a copy of proceedings. Additional proceedings can be preordered. Information about the location of the reception and symposium talks will be available at the hotel check-in desk. ----------------------------------- cut here ---------------------------------- REGISTRATION FORM for Advanced Water Sciences Symposium, Dallas, Texas, Oct. 4-6, 1996 Send to P.O. Box 1295, Dallas, Texas 75355-1295 or FAX: (214) 827-6575 or email: seraph@metronet.com NAME/TITLE:_________________________________ AFFILIATION:______________________ MAILADDRESS:_______________________________ MAILCITY/STATE/ZIP:________________ TELEPHONE:____________________________________FAX:_____________________________ EMAIL ADDRESS:_________________________________________________________________ TOPICS OF INTEREST:____________________________________________________________ I PLAN TO ATTEND AWS: YES___ NO___ THE RECEPTION FRIDAY EVENING: YES___ NO___ I PLAN TO STAY IN DALLAS AT: Bristol Suites ____ Harvey Hotel ____ Other _____ ANY SPECIAL DIETARY REQUIREMENTS:______________________________________________ *****************************Payment Information*************************** Registration fee ($175 before Sept. 6)or($250 on site)or($100 student)_________ add Number of ADDITIONAL AWS Proceedings at $25.00 each _________ add IAWSR membership special conference rate of $25 per year _________ TOTAL FEE DUE: _________ CHECK ENCLOSED FOR (made payable to Advanced Water Sciences Symp): _________ I AUTHORIZE PAYMENT OF ABOVE TOTAL FEE USING CREDIT CARD INFO BELOW: CREDIT CARD NUMBER:___________________________________________________ CREDIT CARD TYPE: _________________ EXPIRATION DATE:_________________ (receipts will be included in conference packets) (all registrations will be confirmed within 2-3 days) ----------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------ The Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research will be setting it's own Web site in the future. -- ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mon Jul 29 22:30:59 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA14715; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: William Beaty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Seattle WEIRD SCIENCE meeting Friday, 8/3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > (IF YOU WANT TO STOP RECEIVING THIS MONTHLY NOTE, PLEASE EMAIL ME) > > > > Meetings of Seattle's "weird science" hobby group take place the first > Friday of each month, 7pm-12pm, at 22025 Redmond/Fall-city Rd. > All are welcome, drag your friends along! > > The next one is this Friday, 8/3/95 > > Travel: From I-5 take 520 east until it ends at a stop light. Turn > right onto Redmond/Fall-City Rd. (rt. 202) Go exactly 3.5 miles > (into farmland.) It helps to check your odometer when you > get to 520's end. We're the house on the right with the white > roadside sign. > > > Fun with tiny computers, flowing water-mist, jello-mold electrodes! > > > > The big bag of glass bead "rainbow" powder will be here, so anyone who > wants a sample should bring a jar or baggie. > > As always, if you have cool stuff to show off, drag it on out and impress > the natives. And any form of junque food would be welcome. > > > BRING STUFF TO SWAP/SELL... CLEAN OUT YOUR JUNKBOX, GET BRAND NEW JUNK! > > I have a bunch of defunct PCs from work, [XTs, 286] ....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page >From billb@eskimo.com Mon Jul 29 21:22:57 1996 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 30 06:56:09 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA15652; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607301328.IAA01866@firefly.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fueless Engine (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > >Is any freenrg-L subscriber familiar with the kit described below? It >sounds just like the E.V. Gray device. > >...............................freenrg-L.................................... >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:26:37 -0700 >From: Frank Keckes >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Fueless Engine > >Dear Bill: > Do you know of anyone who has built the "Fueless Engine" from the >plans offered by "Creative Science" (P.O. Box 8001 New Albany, IN >47150). This engine uses capacitor banks to energize high voltage >electromagnets in a typical rotor/stator configuration. The high >voltage firing is timed to cause rotation, and the back EMF is feed >back into the 2 twelve volt batteries which charge the capacitor banks >via a 3500 volt @80 ma inverter/high voltage diode rectifier. > The claim is that this engine is over unity....in fact, it has been >scaled up to run at over 250 to 350 hp! they claim this does not work >with low voltages/high current - rather, something anomolous takes >place when HIGH VOLTAGE is used....causing the over unity conditions. > Comments? > Please reply... Sincerely, > Frank Kecskes It does sound like Gray's motor! I have a copy of Gray's patent (US Pat. # 3,890,548). It's not something one can throw together in a weekend. I have been thinking it would be something to build when I have more money and a lot more time! If not O/U/O, it's at least supposed to be very efficient. Zack -- "You can't be optimistic with a misty optic" - Rex Luscus From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 30 11:29:38 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17720; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607301700.KAA25996@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fueless Engine (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 10:19 PM 7/29/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Is any freenrg-L subscriber familiar with the kit described below? It >sounds just like the E.V. Gray device. > >...............................freenrg-L.................................... >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:26:37 -0700 >From: Frank Keckes >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Fueless Engine > >Dear Bill: > Do you know of anyone who has built the "Fueless Engine" from the >plans offered by "Creative Science" (P.O. Box 8001 New Albany, IN >47150). This engine uses capacitor banks to energize high voltage >electromagnets in a typical rotor/stator configuration. The high >voltage firing is timed to cause rotation, and the back EMF is feed >back into the 2 twelve volt batteries which charge the capacitor banks >via a 3500 volt @80 ma inverter/high voltage diode rectifier. > The claim is that this engine is over unity....in fact, it has been >scaled up to run at over 250 to 350 hp! they claim this does not work >with low voltages/high current - rather, something anomolous takes >place when HIGH VOLTAGE is used....causing the over unity conditions. > Comments? > Please reply... Sincerely, > Frank Kecskes >FRANK: Yes it has been duplicated, Don Kelly,who has been into free energy for several years, worked on one with four on four instead of two on four electromagnet configuration, he told me he turned over the project to a scientific group [I think it might have been vanguard science, I have the paper around here somewhere], he states the motor clearly DOES NOT produce overunity, but IS very efficient. The same company who sells the plans for the above project is creative science, they have several projects that claim overunity, and also have video tape of several working devices working. One is called the air and water motor, they claim it produces 1500 horse power, and costs about 200 dollars to build plus labor, they also say several people have duplicated it and it works as claimed, their number is 1-812-945-6168, I just got another email and Yes, this ev grey is simple to build, it uses the same circuitry as the original evgrey motor, uses a ludwig drum to show it can be built simply,and the video does show it running,I have most of their plans and would be happy to talk to anyone wishing to duplicate their projects via private email crosiar@goldrush.com > thanks wes > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 30 11:34:04 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18568; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607301733.KAA26890@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fueless Engine (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 10:19 PM 7/29/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Is any freenrg-L subscriber familiar with the kit described below? It >sounds just like the E.V. Gray device. > >...............................freenrg-L.................................... >William Beaty bilb@eskimo.com EE/Programmer/exhibit-designer/science-nerd >Moderator: FREENRG-L VORTEX-L TAOSHUM-L WEBHEAD-L >http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com voice:206-781-3320 > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:26:37 -0700 >From: Frank Keckes >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Fueless Engine > >Dear Bill: > Do you know of anyone who has built the "Fueless Engine" from the >plans offered by "Creative Science" (P.O. Box 8001 New Albany, IN >47150). This engine uses capacitor banks to energize high voltage >electromagnets in a typical rotor/stator configuration. The high >voltage firing is timed to cause rotation, and the back EMF is feed >back into the 2 twelve volt batteries which charge the capacitor banks >via a 3500 volt @80 ma inverter/high voltage diode rectifier. > The claim is that this engine is over unity....in fact, it has been >scaled up to run at over 250 to 350 hp! they claim this does not work >with low voltages/high current - rather, something anomolous takes >place when HIGH VOLTAGE is used....causing the over unity conditions. > Comments? > Please reply... Sincerely, > Frank Kecskes >IN THE LAST MESSAGE I SENT I SAID VANGUARD SCIENCE DUPLICATED THIS PROJECT, SORRY IT WAS SEA SPACE ENERGY ASSOCIATION, JUST TALKED TO DON KELLY AND HE SAID I COULD TELL ANYONE, THEY HAVE MADE TWO MOTORS [I HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF ONE THEY ARE PROFESSIONALY DONE] AND THEY CLEARLY ARE NOT PRODUCING OVERUNITY. > > > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 30 14:38:54 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00775; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9607302101.AA80024@holly.ColoState.EDU> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Rice To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UFO UpDate: Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: >X-Sender: tomt@ultratech.net (Unverified) >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:45:42 -0400 >To: ianr@global-data.com >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto >Subject: UFO UpDate: Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory > >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:11:06 -0400 >To: ebk@nobelmed.com >From: Patricia Mason >Subject: LASER INTERFEROMETER GRAVITATIONAL-WAVE OBSERVATORY > >OK TO POST > >LASER INTERFEROMETER GRAVITATIONAL-WAVE OBSERVATORY > > http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/ > > >What is LIGO? > >LIGO will be a facility dedicated to the detection of cosmic gravitational >waves and the harnessing of these waves for scientific research. It will >consist of two widely separated installations within the United States, >operated in unison as a single observatory. When it reaches maturity, this >observatory will be open for use by the national community and will become >part of a planned worldwide network of gravitational-wave observatories. > >Who will build LIGO? > >LIGO will be designed and constructed by a team of scientists from the >California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of >Technology. Prototypes of laser-interferometric gravitational wave >detectors have been built and are operating at both institutions. LIGO is >being funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF). > >What are gravitational waves? > >Gravitational waves are ripples in the fabric of space and time produced by >violent events in the distant universe, for example by the collision of two >black holes or by the cores of supernova explosions. Gravitational waves >are emitted by accelerating masses much as electromagnetic waves are >produced by accelerating charges. These ripples in the space-time fabric >travel to Earth, bringing with them information about their violent origins >and about the nature of gravity. > >Albert Einstein predicted the existence of these gravitational waves in >1916 in his general theory of relativity, but only now, in the 1990s, has >technology become powerful enough to permit detecting them and harnessing >them for science. Although they have not yet been detected directly, the >influence of gravitational waves on a binary pulsar (two neutron stars >orbiting each other) has been measured accurately and is in good agreement >with the predictions. Scientists therefore have great confidence that >gravitational waves exist. Joseph Taylor and Russel Hulse were awarded the >1994 Nobel Prize in Physics for their discovery of this binary pulsar. > >What are LIGO's scientific goals? > >LIGO will be used for research into the nature of gravity, and it will open >up an entirely new window onto the universe. It will thus be a scientific >tool both for physics and for astronomy. > >Possible payoffs for physics: > >General relativity describes gravity as a manifestation of the curvature of >space-time. This description has been tested and proved correct in the >solar system, where gravity is weak and changes slowly due to the orbital >motions of planets and their satellites. LIGO will permit scientists to >test this description for rapidly changing, dynamical gravity (the >space-time ripples of the gravitational waves), and also for the extremely >strong, dynamical gravity of two black holes as they collide. > >More specifically, LIGO has the possibility to: > > * Verify directly general relativity's prediction that gravitational > waves exist. > * Test general relativity's prediction that these waves propagate at the > same speed as light, and that the graviton (the fundamental particle > that accompanies these waves) has zero rest mass. > * Test general relativity's prediction that the forces the waves exert > on matter are perpendicular to the waves' direction of travel, and > stretch matter along one perpendicular direction while squeezing it > along the other; and also, thereby, test general relativity's > prediction that the graviton has twice the rate of spin as the photon. > * Firmly verify that black holes exist, and test general relativity's > predictions for the violently pulsating space-time curvature > accompanying the collision of two black holes. This will be the most > stringent test ever of Einstein's general relativity theory. > >Possible payoffs for astronomy: > >Almost all our present information about the distant universe comes from >electromagnetic waves. Until the 1940s, the only such waves accessible to >astronomers were light waves; and optical telescopes, studying them, >revealed a serene universe of planets, stars, and galaxies. In the 1940s, >1950s, and 1960s the march of technology made possible radio telescopes, >infrared telescopes, and x-ray telescopes, which look at cosmic >electromagnetic waves that have wavelengths different from light. Because >these radiations differed from light, they brought us new kinds of >information about the universe: they revealed the universe's violent side >-- quasars, pulsars, and the birth throes of stars, for example. >Gravitational waves, being radically different from all electromagnetic >waves, have the potential to create yet another revolution in our >understanding of the universe. Among the things they might reveal are >these: > > * The spiralling together and coalescence of pairs of neutron stars > (stars made of nearly pure nuclear matter); and in some cases the > implosion of the coalesced star to form a black hole. > * The swallowing of a neutron star by a black hole, and the collisions > and coalescences of black holes. > * The birth of a neutron star in a supernova explosion, and the > pulsation and spin of this newborn neutron star. > * Starquakes (analogs of earthquakes) in neutron stars, and details of > how such starquakes change the star's shape and spin. > * Gravitational waves produced at the moment when space and time came > into being in the Big Bang creation of the universe. > * Discoveries of which astronomers as yet have no inkling. > >[continued on http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/LIGO_web/about_LIGO/factsheet.html] > > ********************************************** > ********************************************** > * UNUSUAL RESEARCH * > * * > * http://users1.ee.net/pmason/index.html * > ********************************************** > ********************************************** > > >___________________________________ >Errol Bruce-Knapp (ebk@nobelmed.com) >UFO UpDates - Toronto - 416-932-0031 >The OnLine Information List Service of MUFON Ontario >Your participation is encouraged and appreciated > >MUFON Ontario's Home Page: > http://www.interlog.com/~epona/mufonont.html > >The Canadian Ufologist - A MUFON Ontario Publication > http://www.interlog.com/~lourenco/ufologist.html > > Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Tue Jul 30 19:32:02 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04470; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607310231.TAA04536@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: TO ALL:Back a month or so ago Timothy A Chandler talked about a lawnmower engine he had worked on,in his description of his modifications he mentioned using a magnatron ingition, at the time I figured he'd made a typo, as most of us do, anyway someone sent a message that he was wrong, it was a magneto, I AGREED, BUT, I have talked to tim via email, and this guy knows his stuff, he's told me things about magnatrons I didn't know and given me answers nobody else could. ANYWAY!! Today at the library I was studying small engine ignition systems and on page 84 of Interteck Small Aircooled engines, service manuel 16th edition, it states MAGNATRON IGNITION - A MAGNATRON IGNITION IS A SELF CONTAINED BREAKERLESS ENGINE IGNITION. This is the type of ignition tim described to me that he used. HE WAS RIGHT! Thanks Wes From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 31 07:39:01 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA26281; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1996Jul31.092615.1650.241561@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: MMcCoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FW: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: Greetings everyone! Wes said: Today at the library I was studying small engine ignition systems and on page 84 of Interteck Small Aircooled engines, service manuel 16th edition, it states MAGNATRON IGNITION - A MAGNATRON IGNITION IS A SELF CONTAINED BREAKERLESS ENGINE IGNITION. This is the type of ignition tim described to me that he used. HE WAS RIGHT! Thanks Wes Unless I'm mistaken, the "Magnatron" ignition as described in the Aircooled Engines service manual is a regular, ordinary electronic ignition module that is given the trademark "Magnatron" by Briggs and Stratton, and really has nothing to do with the RF generator of a microwave oven. Hope this clears up some confusion. Mark McCoy 214-470-4462 mmccoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 31 08:56:36 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA11334; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607311537.IAA00969@claim.goldrush.com> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: wesly crosiar To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FW: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: At 07:31 AM 7/31/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Greetings everyone! > >Wes said: >Today at the library I was studying small engine ignition systems and on >page 84 of Interteck Small Aircooled engines, service manuel 16th edition, >it states MAGNATRON IGNITION - A MAGNATRON IGNITION IS A SELF CONTAINED >BREAKERLESS ENGINE IGNITION. This is the type of ignition tim described to >me that he used. HE WAS RIGHT! >Thanks Wes > >Unless I'm mistaken, the "Magnatron" ignition as described in the Aircooled >Engines service manual is a regular, ordinary electronic ignition module >that is given the trademark "Magnatron" by Briggs and Stratton, and really >has nothing to do with the RF generator of a microwave oven. >MARK:YOUR RIGHT, BUT THE REASON TIM REFERED TO IT AS A MAGNATRON TYPE INGITION SYSTEM IS THAT THIS IS THE SPECIFIC PART HE USED, APPARENTLY THE MAGNATRON IGNITION IS THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE ELECTRONIC PARTS BUILT INTO IT, BRIGGS ALSO HAS A TINY ELECTRONIC AFTERMARKET IGNITION THAT REPLACES THE POINTS SYSTEM, AND ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES TO INSTALL AND COSTS 15 DOLLARS OR SO. BY ADDING OR REMOVING WINDINGS ON THE PRIMARY SIDE YOU CAN CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF ADVANCE OR RETARD > THANKS WES > From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 31 12:18:33 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA02346; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: Chris Morriss To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: magnetic monopole fields X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: In message <31FD02FC.4107@pi.net>, MvD writes >Hi all, > >So far, nobody has conclusive evidince for overunity in an N-mashine. If > it is possible to move the rotor and the stator at the same time and >still have a energy output, then this would be overunity. (deleted) > > >Maarten > No No No! The case where the magnet and disc are locked together appears to produce the same amount of electrical power as for the conventional case. I believe that this is because the return flux going around the outside of the disc/magnet combination is cutting through the external (static) wiring that is completing the current loop. It does appear to give a torque reaction. If you make a control experiment where the disc is of a much larger diameter than the magnet, you don't get any power (or very little) when the disc and magnet turn together. This is because the returning flux is no passing through the outer part of the disc and generating an opposite polarity EMF. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 31 12:22:34 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03556; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607311804.NAA03216@firefly.prairienet.org> Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FW: lawnmower engine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: > > >Greetings everyone! > >Wes said: >Today at the library I was studying small engine ignition systems and on >page 84 of Interteck Small Aircooled engines, service manuel 16th edition, >it states MAGNATRON IGNITION - A MAGNATRON IGNITION IS A SELF CONTAINED >BREAKERLESS ENGINE IGNITION. This is the type of ignition tim described to >me that he used. HE WAS RIGHT! >Thanks Wes > >Unless I'm mistaken, the "Magnatron" ignition as described in the Aircooled >Engines service manual is a regular, ordinary electronic ignition module >that is given the trademark "Magnatron" by Briggs and Stratton, and really >has nothing to do with the RF generator of a microwave oven. > >Hope this clears up some confusion. > >Mark McCoy >214-470-4462 >mmccoy@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com I think the difference here is in the spelling. The "Magnatron" is as described above. A "Magnetron" is a microwave oscillator tube used in microwave ovens. I think the device in question actually used a magnetron tube, not a magnatron, to vaporize water by fitting the output of the tube's probe into the spark plug hole. Is this correct? Zack -- "You can't be optimistic with a misty optic" - Rex Luscus From freenrg-l@eskimo.com Wed Jul 31 20:58:34 1996 Received: from mail (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA28672; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Originator: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Sender: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: bulk From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: A few more ideas to consider X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO X-Status: =46rom: newman-l@emachine.com (Newman-l) Subject: A few more ideas to consi Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:45:00 GMT Organization: The Energy Machine Information System 504-734-0526 To: josephnewman@earthlink.net N> Many years ago (about 1977), I worked on a Heathkit microwave oven= . N>The design was simple: a high voltage power supply (a few kiloVolts) charg= ed N>a capacitor thru a resistor and across the capacitor was a high voltage, N>high power zener diode. When the voltage reached the zener value, it N>conducted and discharged the capacitor. The output of this circuit went t= o N>the magnetron tube and into the oven. I don't recall that particular circuit, but the usual Uwave oven circuit is just a HV transformer feeding a HV rectifier diode connected to ground through a capacitor. The magnetron tube acts as a half wave diode rectifier, and is connected so that the cap, diode and magnetron act together as a full wave voltage doubler. The diode in this case is just a high voltage rectifier diode. N> The diode only cost about $25 back then and sounds like an ideal p= art They are about $15 or so in the ECG parts catalog. They make several package designs and voltage/current ratings. Ralph --- =9C QMPro 1.53 =9C Support NAFTA, export Clinton and Gore To subscribe or unsubscribe this list, put the command SUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L or UNSUBSCRIBE NEWMAN-L in the body of your message to: Listserv@Emachine.com